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Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky: Kiev in 1905.

I suppose that if superintelligence is developed soon, or the entire world melts together into a post-historical open borders dystopia/utopia, or some existential risk does as all in, then these considerations will become rather irrelevant.

However, if the 21st century continues on a more or less “business as usual” path, then having 200 million people (most of Ukraine + Belorussia + South Siberia) will be preferable to having 150 million due to the greater economies of scale and innovation that having more people enables.

Now to be sure, Russia can survive without the Ukraine as a declining Medium Power.

Even so, “population is power“, as a powerful commenter keeps reminding us on this very blog.

And all that is apart from the basic principle of reuniting a separated people, promoted by all Russian nationalists from Ilyin to Solzhenitsyn, and repairing the standing insult to the aesthetics of the world map represented by fake and gay countries such as Belarus and the Ukraine.

This post will discuss how to go about it.

“Winning hearts and minds,” apart from being a cuck move, is unfeasible anyway; even going so far as giving back Crimea will not restore goodwill and invite only well-deserved contempt.

Going back to giving gibsmedats (e.g. gas subsidies) would also be idiotic. Even the kremlins have realized this that you don’t buy loyalty or friendship with that, though they have yet to extend that lesson to the rest of the Sovietstans.

Russia invested $200 billion into the Ukrainian economy over 20 years, the US – $5 million into the “development of democracy.” It seems we didn’t invest correctly. An important lesson. – Alexey Pushkov, United Russia MP.

Reunification through Eurasian integration was permanently ruled out in February 2014, when a false flag-abetted coup unseated the bandit President Yanukovych and brought Maidanists to power.

Reunification through military means was ruled out – probably permanently – in May 2014, when Putin recognized Poroshenko as the legitimately elected President of the Ukraine. While certain nationalists, including on this blog, still entertain fantasies about invading the Ukraine and ruling it like a Reichskommissariat, that would be worse than just immoral – it would almost certainly fail, since it buys into the narrative that Ukrainians can only become Russians at the point of a gun. “There is no compulsion in religion”, as the Muslims say.

poll-ukraine-russia Finally, given the collapse in “Russophile” attitudes in the Ukraine after 2014, there is no scope today either for “deals” with new “partners” like Tymoshenko. Which even on the off chance that they happen will only degenerate into the usual post-sovok traditions of stealing money from some project, which always, and not undeservedly, only feeds foreign disdain for Russia.

At the same time, Russia has no obligation to tolerate the existence of a hostile anti-Russian project on its borders that furthermore has the gall to parasite on Russian history and culture on account of possessing so little of its own (see the svidomy beliefs that the Ukraine is the “true Rus” and so forth).

Consequently, the best move now would be to sabotage the svidomy entity at every possible turn.

Here are my proposals on how to do that.

First, the LDNR needs to be recognized, consolidated, and admitted into Russia as a Donbass Republic.

This will invite more Western sanctions, but that has acquired runaway dynamics anyway; meanwhile, the LDNR’s existence in their current, semi-bandit form are a sort of permanent black PR on Russia’s image that repels not just Ukrainians but all normal people – a sad fact that pretty much all Russian nationalists acknowledge.

Moreover, I suspect even Russian leftist backers of Novorossiya would agree. After the assassination of Zakharchenko, power has in the DNR has passed back to the Yanukovych clan, which will soon be formalized by the rigged election of a literal fraudster to the Presidency. Meanwhile, prominent Russian leftist writer and Novorossiya supporter Zakhar Prilepin has had his battalion disbanded. This is assuredly not what people such as National Bolsheviks who went to the Donbass fought for.

Finally, there is also the principle that Russia’s most loyal supporters – people who themselves identify as Russian – should not have to suffer indefinitely in legal limbo for their choices.

Second, the Ukraine needs to be strip mined of its human capital.

taiwanese-identity For inspiration, I would look to China’s “31 Steps for Taiwan” program:

On Feb. 28, it unveiled a package of 31 “incentives” to attract Taiwanese people and businesses to the mainland, offering tax breaks and subsidies for high-tech companies, research grants for academics, and a promise to allow Taiwanese companies to bid for government infrastructure projects and even become involved in China’s “One Belt, One Road” global development plan.

China called the measures an expression of its belief that there is “one family” on both sides of the Taiwan Strait. Taiwanese Vice Premier Shih Jun-ji cast it as an effort to undermine the island’s economy.

“China’s attempt to attract Taiwan’s capital and talent, especially high tech and young students, has clear political intentions,” he said at a news conference, unveiling eight counter­measures designed to keep people at home.

In 2012, Oxford Economics judged that Taiwan faced the largest “talent deficit” among 46 countries surveyed, and the research firm recently said that the conclusion stands today.

Taiwan’s performance on the Nature Index, a proxy for elite scientific output, has collapsed by 40% in the past five years – the largest collapse of any country. A testament to the success of the 31 Steps.

Meanwhile, the development of a separate Taiwanese identity, which had previously grown rapidly, has basically stalled in this same period.

Now in one sense, this will be harder, since China is much bigger than Taiwan, and Ukraine also has an association agreement with the EU. But in another sense, it will also be easier, because Russian wages are 3x higher than Ukrainian ones, whereas it’s the opposite ratio between China and Taiwan.

For instance, Russian researcher salaries in the past 5 years have exploded – though from a very low base – and rose by 70% this year alone. They are now well north of $1,000, which is now probably an order of magnitude higher than in the Ukraine.

One positive result is that the criticisms I voiced in my large post decrying the state of Russian science have become less actual in the past few months alone, even if there is still a huge amount of lost ground to make up.

No doubt this happened because PUTLER personally reads my blog, as my multiple extremely high placed sources tell me all the time.

Anyhow, forget about Ukraine being 30% cheaper (or whatever) than Russia. With such a gap, Russia can easily attract most of Ukraine’s remaining elite researchers wholesale, no matter how svidomy they are.

Svidomism wins out over repression, but money wins out over svidomism.

Russia needs to come up with a program along the lines of China’s “31 Measures for Taiwan,” involving a complex package of subsidies, marketing, and immigration deregulation to strip mine the separatist entity of its human capital.

By strip mining the Ukraine of human capital, I mean something more sophisticated than just open borders and handing out Russian passports like candy (though that should certainly also be done, even if Poland will necessarily do better for now on account of its higher wages).

I mean selectively targeting Ukraine’s remaining cognitive elites and O-Ring sectors for transplantation into Russia wholesale, which is specifically what China is doing to Taiwan – successfully, despite their triple wage differential (my post on how the small, complex O-Ring sector determines wages for the economy as a whole). Nobody is currently doing that to the Ukraine that I know of. Sure, Ukrainian professors can still emigrate to Canada or whatever, but that requires a lot of work on their part; I just propose not just clearing away the red tape, but actively cajoling them along. The list of precisely which people, institutions, and corporations should be targeted requires serious analytical work. I am willing to offer my consulting services on this question at the ULTRA LOW rate of $500 per hour.

This would be perfectly congruent with the Russian nationalist position that the Ukraine is an extension of Russia. Admittedly, it’s not so congruent with the sovok view that treats the UkSSR as a legitimate entity with legitimate borders, a view that is still entrenched in the Russian bureaucracy that occasionally even tries to send Ukrainians who fought in the Novorossiya Armed Forces back into the loving embrace of the SBU. This has prevented and will likely continue to prevent Russia from adopting these Chinese best practices, at least until sovok ways of thinking become fully discredited and the Lenin statues start to come down.

However, on the off chance that PUTLER continues heeding my advice, here’s what will happen when “31 Steps for the Ukraine” are implemented:

1. Russia will at the very least benefit from a modest expansion of its smart fraction, which will be ethnically non-hostile (something you can’t say of all Brahmins) and will come at close to zero cost – while also weakening a hostile state.

2. The immigrating Ukrainians will also benefit (otherwise, why would they go?).

3. To be sure, the Russians who insist on larping as Ukrainians in the Ukraine will not be so well off. But such is the cost of their “European choice.”

But there will be no more wars, either real ones (ruled out by Ukrainian military improvements since 2014) or gas wars (you pay for the gas or you don’t get the gas, simple as – for everything else there is Nord Stream 2 and China).

4. Over time, there will be a reflux effect as these elite Ukrainians form a moneyed, high IQ pro-Russian constituency.

5. Obviously it would be best if the EU continues disintegrating and/or destroying itself with Infinity Refugees to help make the choices on offer in the Ukraine clearer.

There is no particular need to cause needless antagonism by repressing Ukrainian svidomism. Instead, it would seem logical to partly adopt Ukrainian svidomism and weaponize it for Russian national purposes.

I have already suggested the EXTREMELY POWERFUL idea of staging gladitorial combat between sovoks and svidomy to decide the fate of individual Lenin statues. Sovoks win – they stay. Svidomy win – they get to pull it down. Rinse and repeat for every town and city. Make it a weekly, televised event. It will let the svidomy have a sort of voice and investment into Russia’s direction, blow off necessary steam, and inject some Bronze Age vitalism into the body politic.

The anti-Bandera cult will need to be dismantled, but it seems pretty useless and played out anyway, like most sovok things. Indeed, why stop at just painting Bandera as a renegade Russian? That’s for the weak. An EVEN MORE POWERFUL idea would be to reinvent Bandera as a Russian hero, fighting against the Communist, Jewish, and Polish oppressors.

By that time, Russia will be responsible for the Holocaust anyway, so it will have nothing to lose anyway.

Bonus: Ukrainian nationalist songs are pretty groovy.

At the end of the day, it is not ordinary people – proles – who set national policies. It is national elites. While the Ukraine was roughly evenly divided between Russia and the West from 1991-2014, its elites were consistently Atlanticist in orientation, and dragged the rest of the country along; no matter how generously Russia subsidized its proles. Russia needs to co-opt the Ukraine’s national elites in the same way that the West did after 1991. And I don’t mean through crony deals with their post-sovok rulers – the only approach that Russian sovoks understand. I mean making Russian culture so majestic and attractive that they not only wish to submit, but actually pay for the privilege.

Once that happens, the Ukrainian masses will follow in the footsteps of Viktor Marchenko, the anti-hero of Deus Ex: Mankind Divided:

Born: 1991 near Zaporizhia, Ukraine
Left school after 10 years (2 years shy of the compulsory 12) to become a shift worker on a drilling gang looking for shale-gas deposits in eastern Ukraine.
Ran into trouble in 2011 when a group of Pro-Russian separatists started a fight with his crew in Mariupol after work; he tried to break it up, got injured, and ended up in hospital. Could have been when he got augmented-not sure. (Records get pretty scarce here. In fact, there’s a good 12 year period we can’t account for, and no record of when or where he DID get augmented.)
Shows up again briefly in 2023, this time with a wife and newborn kid: Alisa Maratovna and Raisa Viktorichna. Only now he’s in Belgorod.
Which I don’t get, frankly.
A pro-Ukrainian national moving to Russia only makes sense if he stayed with energy companies all those years. Everyone wanted a piece of their reserves after 2015. But that would have put him somewhere in Siberia, not Belgorod. Belgorod is on the border with Ukraine. It’s got nothing to do with oil. It does, however, have a long history of military occupation-and in 2016, it was the city from which the newly-minted Russian Federated States deployed Belltower Associates to quell Ukraine’s anti-separatist dissension once and for all.

After all, the US even dropped a couple of nukes on Japan, but soon afterwards, the Japanese came to love the Americans. While some claim that questions of cultural influence are very hard, in reality they are extremely simple: People love winners, and despise losers. The Russian Empire were winners, so much so that there were strong Russophile movements in Galicia, and in far-off Bohemia (Masaryk wanted to introduce Russian language instructions in Czech schools – understandably vetoed by the Austrian authorities). The sovoks were losers – so much so that by the 1990s, even many Russians wanted to have nothing to do with Russia.

It’s time to become winners again through SWPL supremacism, CRISPR-transhumanism, and neoliberal domestic economics.

na-korable-polden

 
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  1. Dmitry says:

    This would be genius proposal, and level of trolling.

    Some kind of life-time special free tax zone in Russia, for citizens of Ukraine, with assets over certain level?

    Also including amnesty, and promise never to extradite (either person or resources) to Ukraine (or any other country) of all people accused of financial crime in Ukraine.

    I wonder what proportion immigration of Ukraine’s elite and their assets would immigrate.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @AP
  2. Mr. Hack says:

    Anyhow, forget about Ukraine being 30% cheaper (or whatever) than Russia. With such a gap, Russia can easily attract most of Ukraine’s remaining elite researchers wholesale, no matter how svidomy they are.

    Why opt for a 30% raise in Russia when you can get an 500% to 1,000% raise somewhere in the West?

    Your idea to partly adopt Ukrainian svidomism and weaponize it for Russian national purposes is about the only thing that makes any sense here. I’ve thought about this myself on several occasions. Don’t fight it, go with it. You could reinvent both Russian and Ukrainian svidomism where both branches of Rus come out ahead! :-)

  3. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Why opt for a 30% raise in Russia when you can get an 500% to 1,000% raise somewhere in the West?

    For jobs in Western countries, you need to apply and win a job first (for visa requirements, often in designated skill areas), including travelling there for an interview – and then afterwards you can apply for a visa. You also usually need formally recognized English exams. And then you still have to go through a lot of process to renew the visa at least one time, before (after years of working), applying for residency.

    If there is some kind of special program offered in mass to researchers in Ukraine, including all kinds of benefits and streamlining of paperwork (something like instant citizenship and tax-free would be cool) – Karlin’s proposal would be successful for attracting a lot of people.

    It would need a very large budget (to create new jobs for all these people) and someone intelligently to design program.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  4. @Mr. Hack

    What Dmitry said, plus:

    What 30% raise? Russian wages are thrice higher than Ukrainian ones. The gap in academic wages is perhaps close to 10x now, unless Ukraine also started massively increasing them recently (I doubt it). Ukrainian prices are 30% cheaper, which isn’t anywhere near enough to close that gap – I mention it because its something that AP mentions a lot (quoting that guy from Lvov who claimed that $100 there is equivalent to $1,000 in Moscow). If much poorer China can brain drain Taiwan, then much richer Russia should be able to do that easily to Ukraine – with the appropriate policies.

  5. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sure, a lot of Ukrainians would move to Russia to take advantage of such opportunities. They may even appreciate Russians and their culture more so than before such an exprience. This doesn’t guarantee that they’d change their political opinions. Look at AP, he loves Russia, but hates its policies towards Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    , @Mikhail
  6. Mitleser says:

    How much of that describes your ideal 21st century Russia?

    [MORE]

    Russia, officially the Russian Republic is a state in Eastern Europe and North Asia.
    The capital is Petropavlovsk. National language is Russian.
    It is governed as a unitary semi-presidential republic. Russia includes 57 oblasts and 1 capital district.

    Oblasts have wide self-management in internal affairs. The oblast’s Administration is subordinated to the Oblast’s Council – a regional legislature elected by a oblast election. Alongside with the Administration and the Council there are representatives of the central government (appointed from the capital) to oversee regional power’s activities and to fight with corruption.

    Things that were (need to be) changed:
    - National autonomies are abolished, their ethnocracies are disbanded, an active policy is being implemented to plant the Russian language. Yakutia is divided between two existing regions and one newly formed one. The Caucasian republics are joined to the nearing Russian populated oblasts.
    - Irredentism: the southern Urals and Siberia and the city of Narva are annexed. In the former Kazakh territories, a jerrimendering was conducted to establish the absolute Russian majority in all newly formed oblasts. Two million Kazakhs living on annexed lands are subject to a policy of extrusion, like real Kazakh and Baltic ones. Citizenship is issued only to those who lived in these territories until 1991 or their descendants. Thus, oralmans and settlers from South Kazakhstan are cut off and are forced to leave.
    - The capital is in Petropavlovsk. A small wave of migration from Russia will press the Kazakhs even more, also the capital was also moved out of major economic centers and big cities to destroy financial centralization of the country.
    - New federal highways have been built (Arkhangelsk-Kirov, Irkutsk-Magadan and Khabarovsk-Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk), through which the economy and infrastructure of the northern regions and the Far East are more likely to develop.
    - The new administrative division, basically, is built on the state policy of urbanization. The Russian villagers and the population of the northern Siberian and Yakut regions are forced to move to the cities. Thus, depressed provincial regions are eliminated, and in the non-Russian regions cities are assimilating non-Russian population.

  7. As you say, money talks. The EU has it. Even Poland and Warsaw is cheaper than Moscow.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  8. . says:

    Unless Russian nationalists drop the idea of absolute Russification of Ukrainians (culture, language) then this won’t work in the long-run. If they abandon the (pardon my esjaydubya language) chauvinism then this may well work, but for now its implausible.

  9. @Philip Owen

    Actually they’re about the same according to Numbeo.

    Anyhow, the EU doesn’t have much money – individual EU countries have money.

    Ukrainians go to Poland like Central Asians go to Russia – to make 4x more money doing mostly unskilled labor, then go back to enjoy it in cheaper Ukraine.

    I am not talking about that sort of low-tier stuff.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Eagle Eye
  10. @Mitleser

    Some things are solid, but too many overly powerful decisions (even by my standards).

  11. Beckow says:

    It is a promising idea, but let me throw a few objections:

    1. Large % of Ukrainians is ‘in love‘ with the West. It is hard to fight emotions with money. Especially since the precise gains-losses will always be ambiguous (see Mr. Hack above).

    2. The value of all those high-IQ, entrepreneur, heavily-credentialed people is way overstated in most discussions (Unz suffers from this a lot). They are not that valuable, actually most are probably a net drain on a society due to their inflated self-worth. Ukraine might even be better of with a smaller, less ‘elite‘, down-to-earth population.

    3. West wouldn’t sit idle. The kind of jiu-jitsu you propose has strong elements of Gorbachev (‘whoops, what if we take your enemy away?‘). We have all seen how that has worked out. West would simply up the ante and ruthlessly exploit any openings.

    4. It would take a very long time. (see 3. for consequences).

    It beats shooting at each other, but just barely. Maybe a well placed missile would work better.

    • Replies: @DreadIlk
    , @edNels
  12. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    This would be genius proposal, and level of trolling.

    Best trolling ever would be Thorfinnson’s idea of Russia adopting the Ukrainian Trident as its symbol and blue and yellow as its colors. Since Russians stole Rus anyways, why not go with it? Ukrainians would have to come up with something else then.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  13. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ukrainians go to Poland like Central Asians go to Russia – to make 4x more money doing mostly unskilled labor, then go back to enjoy it in cheaper Ukraine.

    The part about unskilled is an exaggeration. There are Ukrainian engineers, electricians, etc. in Poland, they are not just working as unskilled labor.

    Salaries are about twice as high in Poland than they are in Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    and Warsaw is closer to Kiev than Moscow is.

    Unless the Russian government is going to subsidize salaries for Ukrainians moving there why would they go?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  14. why not “39 Steps”?

    anyway, to celebrate Karlin’s brilliant plan, which is sure to work, here is a pretty bad performance of Tchaikovsky’s pretty bad Symphony #2, a.k.a., “Little Russia”:

    • Replies: @Excal
  15. @AP

    There are Ukrainian engineers, electricians, etc. in Poland, they are not just working as unskilled labor.

    Too low-tier. I am thinking more of 4a games (though they’ve already decamped to Cyprus), and up.

    Poaching the professors at Taras Shevchenko and other top 20 universities.

    Not subsidize salaries – they don’t need to do that, unlike China with Taiwan – but things like tax breaks will be very attractive. That’s why 4a went to Cyprus, after all.

    Distances will not be a problem for such people either.

    Since Russians stole Rus anyways, why not go with it?

    Svidomism intensifies. But that’s fine.

    • Replies: @AP
  16. Mr. XYZ says:

    Anatoly, have you ever considered the possibility that, if your plan actually works, it could also backfire in the sense that a high-profile pro-Ukrainian lobby could develop in Russia similar to, say, the Armenian lobby in Russia or the Israel lobby in the U.S.? For instance, I could imagine these elite Ukrainians trying to push Russia to give up Crimea and the Donbass while also pushing Russia to join the E.U. in order to strengthen the Slavic and White presence in the E.U.

    Also, as a side note, I have a question both of you and for everyone else here: Let’s say that there would have been no World War II (for instance, as a result of Britain and France standing firm over the Sudetenland in 1938 and thus causing some German generals to overthrow Hitler and the Nazis; without Hitler, there is no World War II) and that Poland would have kept the Kresy (its Ukrainian-majority and Belarusian-majority territories, in addition to Lvov and Vilnius). In such a scenario, Poland would have escaped Communism and would have thus likely developed an Italian or Spanish standard of living by the early 21st century. In such a scenario–assuming that the Soviet Union still collapses on schedule near the end of the 20th century–is Ukraine likely to lean West or East? After all, while Ukraine would have been deprived of its most pro-Western areas (which would have remained a part of Poland in this scenario), Poland would have also been much richer in this scenario–something which could potentially attract even nominally pro-Russian Ukrainians in eastern and southern Ukraine. After all, as you wrote, money can certainly trump nationalism!

    Anyway, any thoughts on this?

  17. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ukrainian prices are 30% cheaper, which isn’t anywhere near enough to close that gap – I mention it because its something that AP mentions a lot (quoting that guy from Lvov who claimed that $100 there is equivalent to $1,000 in Moscow).

    Yeah that guy was exaggerating.

    However Ukraine is more than 30% cheaper.

    Comparing Lviv to Moscow:

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=Ukraine&city2=Lviv

    Consumer Prices in Lviv are 37.52% lower than in Moscow
    Consumer Prices Including Rent in Lviv are 48.19% lower than in Moscow
    Rent Prices in Lviv are 66.22% lower than in Moscow
    Restaurant Prices in Lviv are 56.48% lower than in Moscow
    Groceries Prices in Lviv are 33.91% lower than in Moscow
    Local Purchasing Power in Lviv is 48.07% lower than in Moscow

    A monthly salary of $1,400 in Lviv (typical programmer salary) is like $2,700 in Moscow. And quality in Lviv for things like food in restaurants is higher (although Moscow has better Georgian food).

    Similar story with Kiev:

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=Ukraine&city2=Kiev&displayCurrency=USD

    But you would have to pay much more than the equivalent salary to attract people to a place with worse (much colder) climate, far from home, and where the potential incoming people hate the politics. A programmer making $1,400 in Lviv is most likely not going to move to Moscow for $2,700.

    After Maidan enough of Boeing’s Ukrainian researchers in Moscow wanted to go to Ukraine that Boeing opened a second R & D facility there.

    I have no idea how accurate this website is:

    https://teleport.org/cities/kiev/salaries/

    https://teleport.org/cities/moscow/salaries/

    But according to it, median salary for research scientist in Kiev is $7,253 and in Moscow it is $16,078. Taking into account cost of living differences it’s not a wide gulf.

    • Replies: @DreadIlk
    , @Gerard2
  18. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Mr. Hack

    This sort of reminds me of some American Jews who retain a soft spot for Israel and Israel’s interests in spite of the fact that they live in the U.S. and are U.S. citizens.

  19. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    high-profile pro-Ukrainian lobby

    This why it might be good to emphasise tax-free, extradition free, shelter for any rich in Ukraine accused of financial crimes (which is not so uncommon in Ukraine) by Ukraine.

    In order words, there could be a special program acting as a channel for elites, in dispute with Kiev, to repatriate assets to Russia. In this case, it will be people who are opposed to Ukraine.
    -

    Israel already achieved this (in some comic way), with some ex-Yanukovich people.

    For example, ex-Ecology and Energy and Coal Minister (for Yanukovich) Eduard Stavitsky, is now secretly become a man called “Rosenberg” who lives in Tel Aviv.*

    In running from Ukraine, though, Stavitsky has to leave behind and lose some of his watches and gold bars in Ukraine (which must be sad for him).

    In Karlin’s 31 step program, perhaps there could utilize special forces units, to help repatriate moveable assets of such kinds of people to Russia.

    -
    *

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  20. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Too low-tier. I am thinking more of 4a games (though they’ve already decamped to Cyprus), and up.

    4A games moved its HQ to Malta but most of it employees still work in Ukraine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4A_Games

    I actually know a high-level manager in an outsourcing company who moved back to to Lviv after living in Canada. Lviv is a great place for day to day living (beautiful architecture, lots of excellent restaurants and cafes, friends he grew up with, Ukrainian environment for the kids) and from here this guy has no trouble taking his family skiing in Austria or Italy, visiting Greece, etc. Company makes its money from foreign contracts, so the hryvnia devaluation didn’t really affect him, it made his money go much further. Even if he paid zero taxes in Russia, I doubt it would be enough to entice him or others in his position to move to a place that is much more expensive, colder, far from friends, and in a rival country.* A place like Italy might be intriguing, but not Russia.

    *A problem with the Taiwan to China comparison is that, AFAIK, the elite Taiwanese are ethnic Chinese who fled Communists on the mainland. It’s like Vassily Aksyonov’s book about the Island of Crimea. It’s not a people who consider themselves to really be a separate nation. So moving to China isn’t moving to another country that one dislikes, but to one’s own historical homeland.

  21. Joach says:

    Japan submitted to the US after losing militarily and it’s now pro-American and serves as a military outpost because “winning” works, but Russia winning in Ukraine, especially its southern and eastern regions, will entail perpetual enmity?

    Aside from this contradiction, I agree with most of what you said about co-opting the human capital and stopping with the gibs. I would literally do away with immigration enforcement with Ukraine and be vocal about the change, and hand out citizenship at will. Attracting workers of average IQ is no less important than attracting the cognitive elite with Russia’s substantial higher wages in research and other intelligence-demanding jobs, which is what you propose. The Kremlin appears to be intimidated by the opinion of its Near Abroad if it abolishes the border with Ukraine and denies this special treatment to them. I’m sure Ukrainians have less of a hurdle when migrating to Russia, it’s a kind of unofficial policy, but this is done in the dark, not telegraphed. It’s a very Russian thing. There has to be transparency, the feelings of non-Slavs be damned.

    Recognising the republics in Donbass can lead to the rest of Ukraine joining NATO and the EU after being convinced by the FUKUS to abandon Crimea, so it’s not going to happen. The negative being what you said: it’s a constant black PR on Russia. It’s a lose-lose situation.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. XYZ
    , @Philip Owen
  22. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    In running from Ukraine, though, Stavitsky has to leave behind and lose some of his watches and gold bars in Ukraine (which must be sad for him).

    In Karlin’s 31 step program, perhaps there could utilize special forces units, to help repatriate moveable assets of such kinds of people to Russia.

    This kind of lost loot of Stavitsky, definitely worthy for a special forces mission – even if transfer fee for such people was only 10% or 20%.

  23. AP says:
    @Joach

    Japan submitted to the US after losing militarily and it’s now pro-American and serves as a military outpost because “winning” works, but Russia winning in Ukraine, especially its southern and eastern regions, will entail perpetual enmity?

    Did Poland become friendly towards Russia and Germany, who won? Was Ireland friendly to Britain, who won?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    , @Joach
    , @Marcus
  24. Excal says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    von Karajan .. such a pity ..

    Say what you like about Rattle, but on balance I much preferred him.

  25. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Well, Poland did rely on Russian/Soviet military protection for almost half a century after 1945 in order to ensure that (West) Germany wouldn’t be able to reclaim its lost territories in the East.

    As for Germany, its World War II form was too brutal to win a lot of friends in Poland. Had Germany won World War I and treated countries such as Poland as genuine partners instead of vassals, though, then the Mitteleuropa idea might have gotten a lot of fans in countries such as Poland.

    As for Ireland, if it wasn’t for World War I, it’s possible that Home Rule would have passed there and been successful. I seem to recall that World War I delayed Irish Home Rule and thus paved the way for Irish independence (cracking down on the Easter Uprising didn’t help, though). In such a scenario, even if Ireland would’ve ultimately become independent, it could’ve been much friendlier towards Britain than it was in real life.

  26. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Joach

    You know, this is actually an interesting idea–specifically having Russia open its borders and let any Ukrainian who wants to move there to do so. It would also help Ukraine’s current leadership by getting rid of a lot of pro-Russian people in Ukraine.

    I seem to recall that Mr. Hack previously proposed something similar to this–at least if I remember correctly. Specifically, have all of the passionately pro-Russian people in Ukraine move to Russia and thus result in both of a population boom for Russia and a more politically homogeneous and unified Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  27. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    I never suggested this, but it makes some sense. I don’t know if the Putler government is still offering immigrants cash plus other goodies if they move to Russia? It looks like frogman Deperdieu’s honeymoon period in Russia has ended:

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/gerard-depardieu-amasses-new-tax-debts-russia-media-reports-62264 :-)

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  28. Just to lend some more perspective:

    Annual per capita GDP in Russia, in purchasing power parity terms, is about US$28,000. By comparison, New Zealand, South Korea, and Italy are at about $38,000.

    Annual per capita GDP in Ukraine, in purchasing power parity terms, is about US$8,600. By comparison, Jamaica is at approximately $ 8,900 and Laos is at $7,400.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    There is no comparison between the two countries, economically speaking, from a wage earning individual’s perspective.

    Compared to China attracting the meritocratic cream of Taiwan’s talent, it should be a cinch for Russia to get Ukraine’s best and brightest. Government pensioners and employees in Crimea got a greater than 2x raise when Russia took over Crimea. The local popular support for the move was solid.

    • Replies: @AP
  29. Mr. Hack says:

    Bonus: Ukrainian nationalist songs are pretty groovy.

    Glad to hear that you like this type of fare, Anatoly. Here’s a whole collection of such heartwarming melodies. The first one is the ‘Zaporozhian March’, being played as the background in the Polish film ‘Between Fire and Sword’. The battle scene is of the Polsh debacle at ‘Zhovti Vodi’. Sorry, I couldn’t find one of the equally devastating battle at ‘Konotop’ for the Muscovites.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    , @Anon
    , @Mikhail
  30. AP says:
    @PiltdownMan

    There is no comparison between the two countries, economically speaking, from a wage earning individual’s perspective.

    It depends on the job. Does a top manager at a software company make 4 times more in cost-of-living adjusted income in Russia than he does in Ukraine? Doubtful.

    Also, annual per capita GDP PPP is not the same as wages.

    Here are wages in Europe:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    Net average monthly salary (adjusted for living costs in PPP):

    Russia: $1,331
    Ukraine: $ 954

    Belarus bets Russia, with $1,422.

    Georgia: $900
    Armenia: $846
    Moldova: $620

    ::::::::::::

    Even when not adjusting for cost of living, Russian wages are about twice those of Ukraine, not over 3 times higher as is Russia’s per capita GDP PPP. It’s about the same as the difference between wages in Portugal vs. Spain.

    In contrast, Poland’s wages are almost 4 times higher than wages in Ukraine when not adjusting for cost of living.

    • Replies: @DreadIlk
  31. Anon 2 says:

    Re: “making Russian culture so majestic and attractive…”

    Compared to the great civilizations (although at present in danger of decline)
    created by Britain, France, and the United States, Germany and Russia are
    failed civilizations. That’s easy to see: no country outside of Europe speaks
    German or Russian, and at least in the U.S. the study of German or Russian
    is in severe decline. Secondly, both Germany and Russia have a history of FORCING
    their neighbors to learn their useless languages (compared to English or Spanish),
    in Russia’s case as recently as 1989. Even Spain and Portugal, which never
    created great civilizations, spread their beautiful languages (and cultures) practically
    effortlessly throughout Latin America and even in Africa.

    I would judge Germany more harshly than Russia. Russia got stuck with the worst
    piece of real estate in Europe, far from the great centers of European civilization,
    cursed with horrible climate, and because of its unfortunate location forced to
    be part of the defensive perimeter of Europe. However, for Germany there are no
    extenuating circumstances. Germany, incl. Austria, has been blessed in every
    possible way, and yet blew it in the most spectacular way, and with Merkel at
    the helm continues its history of failure. A couple of points: Germany (with Jewish
    help) gave the world not one but two antihumanitarian philosophies of life,
    Marxism (a gift that keeps on giving) and Nazism. In the space of 40 years Germany
    became guilty not of one but two cases of genocide, in SW Africa and in Poland.
    How can one take seriously a country like Germany that still practiced slavery
    as recently as in 1945, when civilized countries outlawed slavery in the 19th century.
    One of the reasons usually given for Germany’s failure is the lack of skeptical
    tradition in German philosophy. Germany never produced people like Descartes or
    Hume who would have prevented German thinkers from going on flights of fancy
    like the anti-empirical ideologues Hegel or Marx. Parenthetically, China and India
    are two more examples of failed civilizations, and Japan was a failed civilization
    until 1945.

    By the way, I mentioned a Polish fellow who met a good-looking Russian woman
    (with Polish ancestry) in Brazil. They got married in Poland, lived in Moscow where
    she grew up for awhile but recently decided to move to a tropical paradise for mainly
    two reasons: (1) never-ending winters in Moscow, (2) soul-crushing commutes on
    the subway due to Moscow’s enormous size. She said she could see herself living
    in Poland since Poland is warmer than Moscow and closer to Italy or France but
    they are still young and thirst for adventure so why not the tropics, at least for
    awhile.

  32. Anon 2 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Actually the title of the Polish film is “With Fire and Sword.” It is based
    on the first volume of what is known in Poland as The Trilogy penned
    in the 1880s by Henryk Sienkiewicz, a Polish Nobelist known in the
    West primarily for the novel Quo Vadis.

    By the way, the movie “With Fire and Sword” also has a beautiful ballad
    “Dumka na Dwa Serca” which you can see on YouTube in both Polish
    and Russian (or Ukrainian?) versions.

  33. Joach says:
    @AP

    The English hegemony is a bad counter-example. The English, through military victory, diplomacy and blackmail, eventually incorporated other lands into their own ‘federation’ with devolved parliaments, and Great Britain was born. Wales and Scotland, but also a piece of Ireland was severed: Northern Ireland.

    The winner has to be cool and provide decent living standard for the people who come under its rule, and treat them well. Naturally, local elites have to be brought into the fold and hostile ones disbanded, at least for a time.

    Commonality, and here the Ukrainians fit the bill very well, also helps. If they resemble you, speak your language and share your religion, you can pull a Bismarck.

  34. Aslangeo says:
    @Mr. Hack

    the barriers for migration to the west for Ukrainians (and Russians as well) are large.

    1. Getting a Visa – a lot of reluctance to admit immigrants (this is sidestepped by the bogus refugees who live in a shadow world – but what self respecting scientist or engineer wants to clean toilets)

    2. Getting a job – 10 to 20% youth unemployment in some countries – for a non native convincing a prestige employer is much harder – Big home bias. Big restrictions now on companies sponsoring specialists from the third world (In the UK they need to earn twice the average salary to get a visa, hence Ukrainian immigrants would no longer be cheap)

    3. Qualifications – who knows how good the university of Kharkov is? – did said engineer buy their diploma?

    4. Language barrier – still exists, even if they vaguely understand English, can they speak German or French

    I do not believe that any of these barriers would exist for a Ukrainian scientist moving to Russia
    They already speak the language, Russians know about Ukrainian qualifications and universities, strong cultural similarities (like a Swede moving to Denmark) and as far as I know no visa barriers.

    win – win for all (my dedushka was an example)

  35. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    How much of that human capital is there to siphon out from Ukraine?

    The country has not conducted a population census for 16 years, and some researchers I hear think there are 35 million people in Ukraine now.

    Ukraine is depopulating very very fast, as Ukrainians choose life outside Ukraine.

    I am pretty certain that at one point in near future, the majority of human capital will be very low and completely useless.

  36. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    no country outside of Europe speaks German or Russian

    Russian is still spoken by people in Central Asia to some extent, German will give you an edge where I live. Not to mention, I heard German spoken at home when I was a child.

    Russian and German empires were land entities, whereas the English and French were maritime empires. The latter simply occupied more countries that way and the Anglos managed to become globally dominant.

    The problem with Germans is they lost their balls in WWII, and Germany and Austria is getting increasingly more dark skinned. But Austria for instance is a really good place to live.

  37. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian nationalist songs are pretty groovy

    I have a hard time calling Cossack folk songs “Ukrainian nationalist”…

  38. DFH says:

    I like Irish Republican songs too

  39. Epigon says:
    @Anon 2

    Even Spain and Portugal, which never created great civilizations

    It would be highly amusing to read through your account of what constitutes a great civilization, and then going through absolute shitshow that British Empire and USA had been in civilizational terms.

    PS: The “failed” Germany contributed more to scientific and technological progress of world in short 40 years from unification to WW1 than the rest of world combined.

    • Replies: @DFH
  40. Aslangeo says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    A Ukrainian ethnic lobby in Russia is unlikely in my opinion. Ukrainians who move to Russia assimilate pretty quickly (like my grandpa). Their children speak Russian and tend to identify as Russian. There is a lot of intermarriage (like my grandparents) and not that much nostalgia, and certainly no love for the extreme Ukrop nationalists. The ukrop super nationalists are unlikely to move to Russia for economic reasons, they are more likely to be cleaning toilets in Poland

    A western example is of people of Irish heritage in England. Their children are accepted as English, speak with English regional accents and are loyal to Britain, even if a few of them do play for the Irish Republic football team. There is a limited Irish lobby in England (the IRA did not help). This is in contrast to Irish Americans for whom anglophobia is a cultural sacrosanct.

    Th contrast with the Armenians is stark, even after a few generations Armenians identify with their ancestral homeland which they see as being perpetually under threat. The cultural differences are greater than with Ukrainians but there are some mixed marriages

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @LondonBob
    , @Anon
  41. Yevardian says:
    @Aslangeo

    Identification aside, Armenians are probably greater Russophiles than Russians themselves, much like Serbs.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  42. While certain nationalists, including on this blog, still entertain fantasies about invading the Ukraine and ruling it like a Reichskommissariat, that would be worse than just immoral – it would almost certainly fail, since it buys into the narrative that Ukrainians can only become Russians at the point of a gun.

    Anatoly, you have a nasty habit of creating straw men. The fact that you need to misrepresent my idea shows how weak your reasoning is.

    The point of invading the Ukraine is establishing control of its territory and accelerating the natural, ongoing process of Ukrainian decline. Russia may or may not be a “declining medium power”, but the Ukraine is sure a declining banana republic, unable to provide basic services like hot water for its citizens.

    The war is going to make it 10 times worse. Historically, war functioned as a powerful catalyst for change. The Ukraine is currently in the process of dying on its own, but my idea is to introduce a catalyst to it, so that we don’t have to wait until 2050 for them to reach 15M pop. :)

    Once we have control of the territory, there is a number of things we could do with it. For example, if the goal is draining the Ukraine of its “smart faction” (whatever that means in the Ukraine), this will be easier to do once there is People’s republic in Kiev, and most connections to the West are severed due to Western sanctions. The size of Russia’s wages becomes irrelevant in this scenario – the mere fact that Russia has wages becomes an attraction for Ukrainian migrants.

    I am no military expert, but a whole bunch of people seem to believe that Russia’s security is jeopardised by a hostile entity in our soft Ukrainian underbelly. Eliminating the entity and securing the underbelly to me seems like a natural thing to do. Absorbing the Ukraine’s population (if that is what we wish to do) will only be made easier by dislocations produced by war.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr. Hack
  43. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    The Russian Empire were winners, so much so that there were strong Russophile movements in Galicia, and in far-off Bohemia (Masaryk wanted to introduce Russian language instructions in Czech schools – understandably vetoed by the Austrian authorities).

    A lot of this had to do with the fact that Czech itself was suppressed, and for that matter not developed. The Czechs looked to Russia as a large, independent Slavic state, and to Russian language is a language that was superior to theirs.

    Russian is still superior to Czech by the way…

    In Halychyna, the locals were even more primitive and looked to Russia for ooga booga, muh Orthodoxy reasons.

    Today only linguists realise Russia’s influence upon the Czechs, and that influence is not going to repeat itself unless a new Dostoyevsky rises. And Halychyna has literally gone bonkers…

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  44. Epigon says:
    @Yevardian

    If it is like Serbs, then they are cynical, opportunistic “Russophiles” at best, who value Russia only for the geopolitical backing and perceived profit.
    In other words, most of modern day Serbs are Serbs-in-name-only, being a particularly toxic breed of Yugoslavs and riddled with inferiority complex towards West, shallow materialism and one-sided love for West.
    There is a small core of Russophillic Serbs, in addition to Sovietophillic (due to perceived Antifascism, Socialist history and fight against Axis) grouping that often gets bundled together.

    Several million Serbs happily live in “eternal, historical enemy” states like USA, UK, Germany and Austria, in addition to many “Serbs” across former Yugoslavia.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Chet Bradley
  45. DFH says:
    @Epigon

    PS: The “failed” Germany contributed more to scientific and technological progress of world in short 40 years from unification to WW1 than the rest of world combined.

    Thanks, Jews!

    • Replies: @Patricus
  46. LondonBob says:
    @Aslangeo

    Irish have privileged migration and voting rights in Britain, this has been a disaster. Ethnic Irish are as influential as Jews in the creation of the corrosive left in Britain, as well as forming an underclass. Forget the Ukrainians, leave them alone and look after your own people.

    • Replies: @DFH
  47. @Anon 2

    I see why you are called ‘Anon’.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  48. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    The point of invading the Ukraine is establishing control of its territory and accelerating the natural, ongoing process of Ukrainian decline. Russia may or may not be a “declining medium power”, but the Ukraine is sure a declining banana republic, unable to provide basic services like hot water for its citizens.

    Ukraine manages its decline very well without full scale Russian occupation. Also, occupation would mean Russia would have to provide hot water to Ukrainians.

    But not only that, Russia would have to deal with an entire scope of Ukraine’s problems. Not to mention, there would be people, who would be openly hostile to Russian occupation. They would resent Russia for not allowing them into Europe and other nonsense. Russia would have to deal with rabid svidomites, and perhaps even underground resistance.

    Ain’t nobody got time for that…

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  49. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aslangeo

    Ukrainians who move to Russia assimilate pretty quickly (like my grandpa).

    Pretty much the same experience here, my mother has a Ukrainian maiden name, and nobody would even call her Ukrainian.

  50. @Mitleser

    In the former Kazakh territories, a jerrimendering was conducted to establish the absolute Russian majority in all newly formed oblasts.

    (The term is gerrymander, but I understand that your first language is not English)
    If it’s going to grab North Kazakhstan, Russia better be quick. In 1990, 38% of the population of Kazakhstan was Russian. Now it’s below 25%. Long term, failure to act will probably result in the displacement of this population.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  51. @Anon

    occupation would mean Russia would have to provide hot water to Ukrainians. But not only that, Russia would have to deal with an entire scope of Ukraine’s problems.

    Why? I mean who says that it should? You approach this situation like a sovok person. When USSR occupied countries, it built schools and hospitals, and naturally, bankrupted itself in the process, but occupations do not have to look like that.

    • Replies: @Anon
  52. @Verymuchalive

    Correct. This is why it would be good if Nazarbayev was to croak sooner rather than later, and the Kazakh nationalists he’s been fostering were to come to power.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  53. @Mr. XYZ

    I don’t think so for the reasons that others have laid out. Ukrainians assimilate into Russians quickly.

    Some of the hardest people on the UQ (Ukrainian Question) are Russo-Ukrainians, Sergey Glazyev being the ur-example.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. XYZ
  54. utu says:

    Putin ‘is planting troops and missiles in eastern Libya in bid to seize control of the biggest illegal immigration route to Europe’, UK intelligence fears

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6254859/Putin-planting-troops-missiles-eastern-Libya-anti-western-stronghold.html

    Any truth to it? Is Putin going to save Europe from African invasion?

  55. DFH says:
    @LondonBob

    as influential as Jews in the creation of the corrosive left in Britain

    They are bad, but not even close to Jews.
    Jews are responsible for creating the SWP (and all of its offshoots), Militant, passing the Race Relations Act, founding the most important anti-Racism think tank the Runnymede trust, the racial and immigration policies of New Labour. This is putting aside the huge power they exert through fundraising to Labour (in the past) and the Conservaties. Not to mention that Irish affinity and loyalty to Ireland (in England certainly) does not even approach Jewish affinity and loyalty to Israel and the power of Zionist lobbying groups.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  56. Epigon says:

    Of course they assimilate easily, the borders are arbitrary lines drawn in plains.
    Does anyone believe that people living near the border on both sides in case of Ukraine, Belarus and Russian Federation are different ethnicities?
    It would be interesting to track the historical migrations from present-day Ukraine to present-day Russian Federation throughout history.
    I was surprised with the high frequency of -ko and -uk surnames in Russia I encountered.

  57. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder what would happen if China did the same for American white males? I’m thinking that peeling off just a few million might be enough to screw the US permanently (i.e. further dissolve its social cohesion and competitiveness) without really altering China’s demographics. Perhaps in some bizarre future scheme, they import some white guys into Taiwan in order to dilute its social cohesion and resistance to China while co-opting that same group to their own ends, eventually leading to reunification.

    “I suppose that if superintelligence is developed soon”

    How do you know that hasn’t already happened? The global fall in birth rates is quite odd, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @DFH
    , @Pericles
    , @Anon
  58. Epigon says:
    @DFH

    I’ve read convincing accounts of Jews formenting and funding Dutch rebellion against the Spanish, and bankrolling Cromwell and his Puritans.

    Are there any worse judaised slimes than Protestants? Historically and at present?

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Anon
  59. CLARIFICATIONS

    1. By strip mining the Ukraine of human capital, I mean something more sophisticated than just open borders and handing out Russian passports like candy (though that should certainly also be done, even if Poland will necessarily do better for now on account of its higher wages – it’s pretty bizarre that Armenians get Russian passports at thrice the Ukrainian rate per capita).

    I mean selectively targeting Ukraine’s remaining cognitive elites and O-Ring sectors for transplantation into Russia wholesale, which is specifically what China is doing to Taiwan – successfully, despite their triple wage differential (my post on how the small, complex O-Ring sector determines wages for the economy as a whole). Nobody is currently doing that to the Ukraine that I know of. Sure, Ukrainian professors can still emigrate to Canada or whatever, but that requires a lot of work on their part; I just propose not just clearing away the red tape, but actively cajoling them along. The list of precisely which people, institutions, and corporations should be targeted requires serious analytical work. I am willing to offer my consulting services on this question at the ULTRA LOW rate of $500 per hour.

    2. Other people have pointed out that the chances of success (reincorporating the Ukraine) is low with this program.

    My reply is: Well, it’s low in any case, after the consecutive collapses of both the Eurasianist and military options.

    At least in this case, Russia will somewhat improve its own economy, while helping keep down that of a competing and hostile entity (in an ethical way, and at zero cost).

    3. That said, the chances of any of this happening are minimal, because the kremlins aren’t the CPC, and have different priorities, such as gibsmedats for Arabs:

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @Felix Keverich
  60. Epigon says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I think that part of that effort should be to tone down anti-Ukrainian rhetorics and make Ukrainians feel more than welcome.
    Not just “Russians from Ukraine”, but even Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian and strongly identifying as such.
    Russian media handled the events very clumsily. Instead of precisely isolating the cancerous Ultras, SS Galizien tards, Einsatzgruppen worshippers and Azov LARPers, they opted for painting the entire Maidan supporter group as Fascists and coupists.

    In more concrete terms, your strategy envisions attracting people like AP to Russia. Every such individual coming to work and live in Russia is a net win in both short and long term.
    Claiming that Ukrainians are just a regional variety of Russians should reflect upon the treatment of Ukrainian identity – framing it as an ideological and political difference between Russians.
    If Bolshevik supporters and descendants of revolutionaries who gutted Russia and Russians could be Russian, I see no obstacle to welcome almost all Ukrainians and their opinions with open arms.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  61. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    but occupations do not have to look like that

    No they do not but that would not mean Russia would not have to deal with any problems.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  62. @Anon

    Perhaps in some bizarre future scheme, they import some white guys into Taiwan in order to dilute its social cohesion and resistance to China while co-opting that same group to their own ends, eventually leading to reunification.

    Aside from everything else, how is Beijing supposed to determine the immigration policy of a renegade province they don’t control?

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  63. Mitleser says:
    @Hyperborean

    Turn it into another red line.

  64. @Anatoly Karlin

    Before Displacement, there will be “affirmative action” job quotas for Kazakhs and “land reform” plans. Russia must take action long before this occurs, as the aim of such policies is to make as many Russians and other Slavs leave as possible and reduce ethnic Russians to a tiny rump.

  65. DFH says:
    @Anon

    Even better idea; sponsor a marriage program between Uighur women (Uighur men to be sent to re-education camps) and American men. Two birds with one stone.

  66. @Anatoly Karlin

    The gap in academic wages is perhaps close to 10x now, unless Ukraine also started massively increasing them recently

    My sample of young Ukrainian researchers working in Moscow tells me that even the pay as a student here is significantly better than as a researcher in Kiev, that science is almost totally dead in Kiev and that this is very demotivating (the best remaining scientists having been mediocre students in Moscow back in the 70s), and that while young people can make a good living as programmers relative to the cost of living, the work conditions and hours are not sustainable for people with families.

    It is conceivable that the situation in Kiev will improve over the next decade or two, but this is far from certain.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  67. A great plan, but unfortunately about 15 years too late. Brain drain from Ukraine to Russia has already been on turbo mode for the last decade. Only the dregs of the dregs are left in Ukraine at this point.

    Here in 2018 even professional Ukrainian patriots prefer to do their dirty deed from the safety of Moscow. I think it’s safe to say it’s time that the valve be closed for a bit.

  68. @The Big Red Scary

    My new job is in academia (not saying more, for now) so I can confirm this first-hand. That conditions are much better than they were before, that is – don’t know about Ukrainians, but you confirm what I strongly suspected.

  69. DFH says:
    @Epigon

    I’ve read convincing accounts of Jews formenting and funding Dutch rebellion against the Spanish, and bankrolling Cromwell and his Puritans.

    Were they really very important? Or is the role magnified massively out of importance by monomaniacs

    funding Dutch rebellion

    Is that even a bad thing? The initial Dutch revolt was led by Catholics anyway.

    Are there any worse judaised slimes than Protestants? Historically and at present?

    The comission set up by the Puritan parliament to decide on the Jewish question actually voted not to let them back in, it was only under Charles II that many Jews started to move to England. Kooky beliefs of a tiny subset of Protestants about the Old Testament have not been very important, for Protestantism or history in general.
    The greatest supporters of Jews have generally (before creatino of the Christian Zionist heresy in the 20th century) those who only care about money or power and not religion at all, like the MPs who passed the Jew Bill in 1753 but were forced to retract it becasue of Protestant pressure.

    • Replies: @Anon
  70. @Anon

    Life involves “dealing with problems”. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here…

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  71. @Anatoly Karlin

    I mean selectively targeting Ukraine’s remaining cognitive elites and O-Ring sectors for transplantation into Russia wholesale

    You might want to elaborate on this: how many people you’re talking about exactly? If individuals such as AP is what passes for Ukrainian cognitive elite, then, perhaps, we should just let it die? There are things that should just die, and Russia will not be diminished, if we let AP die.

    Also, I’m not sure what “O-Ring” means, but I doubt you’ll find a lot of it in LDNR. You’ll find plenty of pensioners though, who need to be cared for. The existance of pensioners is in fact the No.1 argument against annexing LDNR, and any futher territorial aquisions in the Ukraine. Not the sanctions, not the Ukrainian military, which remains laughable. It’s the millions upon millions of useless old people, who need to be cared for.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  72. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “Aside from everything else, how is Beijing supposed to determine the immigration policy of a renegade province they don’t control?”

    Here’s how I’d do it: encourage more Americans in tech, video games, or some other industry like rocket science to move to Taiwan (white guys/gals overwhelmingly), perhaps through some business venture with the Taiwanese; as the US goes anti-white multicult, import some white guys into mainland China or even Hong Kong if you can arrange it. As whites are verbally dominant over Asians and present in both locations, you can manipulate the mainland group to manipulate the Taiwan group, which would be dominant verbally over the natives. Over time, the two nations would become more interlinked until reunification is achieved peacefully (by using a third party minority as ethnic mediator). It’d be more complicated and involved that than, but perhaps it could be done. In any case, whites treated well in the mainland would cause the Taiwanese to think they’d also be treated well, lessening the probability of a break away.

    May seem bizarre, but who knows. China = billion people. So, peeling off 20 million white guys = destruction of the US as a superpower without firing a shot while also not really changing China’s demographics and introducing genes – albeit recessive ones – to make future Chinese girls prettier. Seems like a tempting scheme for some Asian trends genius to cook up one day as China will soon experience demographic problems of her own.

  73. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    “they import some white guys into Taiwan in order to dilute its social cohesion”

    To further clarify, what I’m suggesting is similar to what happened with Quebec, Canada. In the mid 1990s, the province almost split away. However, there is now no more worry that breakaway will happen due to immigration into Quebec. Foreigners don’t give a damn about their secession cause and will vote against it. Importing some whites into Taiwan and mainland China would create a similar situation where a verbally-dominant white minority across both sides of the straight doesn’t care about the independence issue as it is a nothingburger for them. This would, assuming whites are permanent residents or citizens, lessen the possibility of breakaway while also giving the Chinese government another group they could manipulate on the island, done so with the cover of the group on the mainland. Eventually, there would be closer ties leading to reunification. Plus, a handful of future Chinese girls around Hong Kong or the mainland get prettier. Not a bad deal over all.

  74. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Life involves “dealing with problems”.

    Contemporary Russian society lives according to the principle of comfort and abundance, and this promises neither.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  75. Pericles says:
    @Anon 2

    After all, what did Germany or Russia ever give world culture? America gave us twerking.

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Anon
  76. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Also, I’m not sure what “O-Ring” means, but I doubt you’ll find a lot of it in LDNR.

    Donetsk always had a heavy industry which required specialists, and they find it easy to move to Russia.

    If individuals such as AP is what passes for Ukrainian cognitive elite, then, perhaps, we should just let it die?

    For some reason AP subscribes to Ukr propaganda but there are his types in Russia already, and their opinion is rather irrelevant.

  77. @Anon

    Neither did Russia’s war in Syria, and the society ate it up. Russian society defers to Kremlin on issues of war and peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  78. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    Peel off the engineers who aren’t willingly, happily getting their balls trampled by SV/Seattle/etc dominatrix culture. It’s not like they are wanted, right?

    Regarding human capital, I can see the same thing in certain countries when I visit (not EE). Beautiful, but they sure could use some Swedish city planners and engineers to really level up.

    In that vein, I’ve heard Swedish multinationals in Brazil have perpetual problems with Swedish engineers encountering an, ahem, warmer and more appreciative culture while on assignment. Eternal drama, divorces and so on, lol.

    • Replies: @Anon
  79. @Felix Keverich

    You’d be surprised. I know at least a couple of Ukrainians who were heavily svidomy nationalists in 2014 (one even blocked me on Twitter) who have since become highly disillusioned with their former views, in fact the one who had Blocked me follows me again and RTs me.

    In any case, political views of such a tiny group don’t even matter all that much. The important thing is that AP are professionals who add a lot of value to whichever economy they work in, and it’s a good idea to bribe them out of the Ukraine.

    Re-pensions. What nonsense. Russia already pays the pensions of people in the LDNR. At this stage you’re repeating liberal myths about why Russia shouldn’t have intervened in the Ukraine. Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, and probably Zaporozhye would all have brought in more in taxes than they consumed a few years after getting reincorporated into Russia.

    Anyway, this talk of millions of useless old people comes off as rather psychopathic. It creates as much aversion as Gerard2′s rantings. Like this is the sort of stuff that would even alienate otherwise loyal Little Russians.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    , @Mr. Hack
  80. iffen says:

    it is not ordinary people – proles – who set national policies.

    True, but every once in a while, when the gods approve and the planets are in correct alignment, we throw our support to a Lenin or a Trump, and we ride the fiery kraken from hell.

  81. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I’m not certain occupation of Ukraine would be as easy as operation in Syria.

  82. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And the founder of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists was half Polish.

  83. @Anatoly Karlin

    Re-pensions. What nonsense. Russia already pays the pensions of people in the LDNR.

    Non exactly: Russia pays LDNR pension. LDNR pension is several times smaller, than the Russian pension. The minimum is 2600 rubles. And this is what makes LDNR affordable for the Russian budget.

    https://pensiagid.ru/poleznaya-informaciya/pensionnye-vyplaty-v-dnr.html

    would all have brought in more in taxes than they consumed a few years after getting reincorporated into Russia.

    This is definitely not true. Pensions and wages in the public sector would have to be raised to Russian level straight away, while local economy will take decades to catch up. Ukrainian per capita GDP is 20% of Russia’s level. Eastern Ukrainian demographics are atrocious. It’s a sea of old and middle aged people, with no savings and no useful skills.

    To give you some context Russia spent $150 billion on pensions in 2017. The cost of war will be totally dwarfed by the cost of Ukrainian pensions…which is why I favor a long period of occupation to allow them to die off, at which point territory could be safely annexed to Russia without breaking the budget.

  84. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Re-pensions. What nonsense. Russia already pays the pensions of people in the LDNR.

    When did this occur? last I heard, it was still being paid by Kyiv. People still needed to make the dangerous trip from the Russian controlled zone, to the Ukrainian side?

    • Replies: @Anon
  85. Marcus says:
    @AP

    Hilariously they submitted fervently to the West that betrayed them in 1939 and 1940. I think Poles are still one of the most pro-American countries.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Marcus
  86. DFH says:
    @Marcus

    Hilariously they submitted fervently to the West that betrayed them in 1939 and 1940

    Presumably they should have instead decided to become a vassal state of Russia again?

  87. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Sensing that AP’s core views (like Poland is better for Ukraine than Russia) don’t constitute the majority of ethnic Ukrainians in Russia. Numerous pro-Russian Ukrainians in the former Ukrainian SSR and elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  88. As AP pointed out, it isn’t just low-skill migration moving to Poland anymore. I have a lot of contact with Ukrainian students in Warsaw and plenty of them are cognitive elites.

    According to the IPA, around 9,747 Ukrainian students studied at Polish universities during the 2012-13 academic year , while in 2013-14, the number increased to 15,123 people. With regard to the latest results, universities recorded 35,584 students in the 2016-17 academic year.

    In the last academic year, 56K international students came to Poland, close to 10% of the student population. Over half are from Ukraine. There are plenty of Belarussians as well. If you take all EE students, it’s close to 70% or higher. Some of those students go home but increasingly a lot of them stay on.

    The chart above shows foreigners paying into ZUS (our social-security fund). That’s not for temporary migrants but people who live for a year or longer and with longer-term intentions to stay. Ukrainians are moving up quickly in the last few years; increasingly rooted in Poland. While many of them are low skilled, there is also a non-trivial amount of elites, either those who came as students or those who were recruited into work right off the bat.

    Secondly, low-skill migration in fact encourages high-skill migration, they are not as untied as one might think. I don’t have the link now, but I’ve read about this on EE migration to the UK and Germany. Immigration researchers call this the ‘balloon effect’. If you cut off lower-skilled migration, higher-skill migration will be affected. Turns out that even elites prefer to be around their own kin in a new environment (neighbour shops, restaurants, community centers, day schools etc).

    Furthermore, to lure the elites of tomorrow you must necessarily take a wider bet on a larger group of people in order to be economical. It is hard to say how successful someone will be until they are in their 40s for the most part. By the time they are at their peak, they cost a lot more to lure per person. It makes more sense to target a larger group of 20-something in order to maximise the chances that you get all the elites at lower cost. Even those who don’t quite fall into that group will be net benefits to your society.

    Finally, I must add my skepticism to those who have already cast doubt on whether Russia will be able to lure top scientific talent away from other countries. It may be difficult to get into Australia or Canada, but European countries are increasingly open. The richest ones (Switzerland, Norway, Ireland etc) will continue to be very attractive. And it isn’t just about salaries. It’s even more so about the research budgets. Switzerland may be a small nation but it has very high incomes which allows it to spend a huge amount per scientist in terms of what they can buy. Russia will not be able to compete with that, unless it was willing to disproportionately spend money on a foreign class, but that would be politically unsustainable.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ali Choudhury
  89. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Correction on the below highlighted:

    Best trolling ever would be Thorfinnson’s idea of Russia adopting the Ukrainian Trident as its symbol and blue and yellow as its colors. Since Russians stole Rus anyways, why not go with it? Ukrainians would have to come up with something else then.

    You can’t steal what’s already a part of you. The Tryzub is an early day Russian emblem, in line with the Riurik line of monarchs who ruled Russia for the period thru Vasili IV.

    The Tryzub on the background of the Russian national colors in flag and emblem forms is something that has already been evident. The blue and yellow Ukriian national colors are a fairly recent (in historical terms) development.

    • Replies: @Anon
  90. Mr. Hack says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Last week I read your detailed plans regarding the destructi0n of Israel, now this week it’s the destruction and occupation of all of Ukraine. Why not really impress us and explain how Russia needs to invade and destroy the real ‘devil’ that’s behind it all, the US?

    You’re the living example of why Russia is perceived as the final refuge of kooks and freaks, where everything can be settled with a bomb or a bullet (or a shoe, as in your case). :-(

  91. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    I have no problem with these ‘Ukrainians’, as long as they stay in Russia.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  92. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anon

    According to what someone had communicated to me, Solzhenitsyn said that Russia missed a golden opportunity by not taking Galicia after Napoloen’s defeat.

  93. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Epigon

    Serbs can be of either a sovok (Titoist) or anti-sovok mindset, with some others taking a more neutral view between these two categories.

  94. @Anon 2

    Germany has unambiguously contributed far more to world civilisation than most countries in this world. I would rank them highest in continental Europe. Only Anglos have had greater world impact – as evidenced by the fact that practically all Anglo offshoots are extremely impressive countries and English continues to be the lingua franca of science, business and most international debates. Hence why I write this in English.

    Blaming them for Marxism is pretty stupid. Marx was not exactly an ethnic German and he was the driving force. Nazism is a better slur against them. It was basically Germanic supremacism, though I ultimately view it in the same vein as I view ‘manifest destiny’ in the US. Every expanding state needs its moralising ideology, if for no other reason than propaganda for audiences at home and abroad.

    I also happen to be most fond of Germanic philiosophy. The French are clowns. Anglos are impressive but they are too liberal. Germans have a darker, more pessimistic outlook which I tend to like. They also have an outsized proportion of the best conservative minds historically speaking.

    As for them not spreading their language, that’s because they were boxed in. If you were at the Western edge of Europe (Iberia, France, UK) you had the oceans to think about and that naturally led to colonial settlements. If you were Germany with people from all sides hemming you in, you naturally focused more on land warfare and not getting done in. Foreign adventures in far-away lands was the last thing on your mind.

    Did they fail in the wars? Yes. Still impressive people.

    • Agree: Den Lille Abe
    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Bliss
    , @Pericles
    , @Bliss
  95. @Mr. Hack

    You’re the living example of why Russia is perceived as the final refuge of kooks and freaks

    Probably there are harmless countries like Canada in which hardly anyone blabbers online about their desire to invade other countries. But among big, bad countries– say Brazil, China, India, Israel, Pakistan, Russia, Turkey, the United States, just to pick a list of countries that haven’t signed the convention on cluster munitions– Russia is hardly an outlier.

    Interestingly, my social circles in the US and in Russia are quite similar– cosmopolitan scientists. But even the most “patriotic” Russian scientists that I know are noticeably less chauvinistic than all but the most lefty American scientists.

    As for vatniks and rednecks, they’d probably get along great, gleefully plotting together how to invade Canada from both sides to take over the breweries, hockey rinks, hunting grounds, and fishing holes.

  96. utu says:
    @Polish Perspective

    Switzerland pays the highest salaries for PhD candidates (2500-6000 CHF ) and postdocs (3000-8000 CHF) in the world.

    https://www.myscience.ch/living/salary/salary_phd_postdoc

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  97. @Mr. Hack

    How come you and AP don’t seem to have the same kind of loyalty towards America as you do towards the Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Anon
    , @AP
  98. neutral says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Israel is the power behind the USA, not the other way round. If Israel were to be wiped out then it essentially be a decapitation strike of the US leadership.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  99. Anon[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Most of those problems can be solved with the correct application of chemistry anyway: iron for gates, and lead for bullets. The current for Ukraine is really just a medical problem that needs the appropriate chemical solutions.

  100. Mr. Hack says:
    @Hyperborean

    My loyalty to the US is much greater than to Ukraine. I pay all of my taxes, vote in all of the elections, say and mean every word of the pledge of allegiance. Did I miss anything important?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  101. utu says:
    @Anon 2

    Your comments often evoke vicarious embarrassment and I am sure not only in me.

  102. @Polish Perspective

    That is true. Especially if you are in a research-intensive job, the network effects of being among other smart, well-funded peers who are there for the long haul cannot be overstated. Smart fractions now mostly speak English making it easy to settle in vast swathes of Western Europe and the Anglosphere. Russia might make sense as a stop-over for Ukrainians, Belorussians etc. if the incentives are there but would not be where the real difference-makers would want to stay long-term.

  103. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mikhail

    Best trolling ever would be Thorfinnson’s idea of Russia adopting the Ukrainian Trident as its symbol and blue and yellow as its colors.

    Holodomor was a genocide of Russian people.

    Not to mention this statement is partially true already, and Russian nationalists already believe that Ukrainians are Russians that were fooled by the Bolsheviks.

    The latter I believe with some reservations.

  104. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    last I heard, it was still being paid by Kyiv.

    They were not paid by Kiev for a while. Then the numb-nuts in Kiev realised that they consider Donbass to be theirs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  105. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hyperborean

    How come you and AP don’t seem to have the same kind of loyalty towards America as you do towards the Ukraine?

    They have loyalty to svidomism but like any good patriot of Ukraine, they live very far from the place. Similar attitude can be observed with Western Russophiles, and many Russians abroad, many who have unrealistic view of Putin and Russia.

  106. AP says:
    @Hyperborean

    Do you ask the same of the Russian “patriots” who do not live in Russia?

  107. AP says:

    The Taiwan analogy has a fundamental problem that I alluded to earlier: Taiwan is not a rival cousin of China but a state founded by exiled anti-Communist Chinese who are its elites. The natives are besides the point. So in a sense it is like Aksyonov’s Island of Crimea. Taiwanese Chinese elites are like Russian White exiles. So mainland Chinese policy is successfully convincing these Chinese Whites to return to or reinvest in the land of their fathers or grandfathers.

    Applying the Chinese approach to Taiwan to Russia and Ukraine is thus based on the false premise that these are one people, when they are not.

    Would China be able to pull this off with Vietnam, or Korea, if it wanted to?

    Realistically, this strategy applied toward Ukraine would at most strip Ukraine of any remaining Russian elites, reducing the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine that had produced people like Bulgakov, to a population of lumpens. Although I suspect this process has already been well underway. OTOH, it probably wouldn’t have much impact on the ethnic Ukrainian elites, whose people would rather stay home or just go to Poland or the West. So a place like Kharkiv would slide further downward, while Kiev or Lviv would not be affected much. This Taiwan policy would thus accelerate or further cement Ukraine’s demographic and economic westward reorientation. Frankly, it’s not much of a “tragedy” for Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  108. Far too complicated. Just 2 steps:

    1. Annex Ukraine
    2. Get in the EU

    This way Rus is restored, and the Ukrainians get their EU dream, everyone’s happy.

    I am not even joking. As Richard Spencer and others have noted, the EU by itself is not such a bad idea, it needs serious reform if it’s going to survive anyway, and most of the people who want to reform it are either friendly or at least not hostile to Russia.

    And a “European Union” without the biggest European country in it has always seemed absurd to me.

    (note to Ukrainians: by “biggest European country” I am referring to Russia, as I know you also refer to Ukraine like this sometimes. Yes, Russia is an European country, and no, you are not a real country in the first place).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mitleser
    , @utu
  109. Seems some improvement hapening regarding relationship with reality that even some rabid Russian imperialists are begining to think that there are better options than for the first time in human history waging war in country with wide scale functioning nuclear energy usage :)

    Sadly, this is also example of just “some” because there are more than plenty Russians whom can be relatively called “felixes kevereviches”, left in RF and also in so called near and far abroad.

    • Replies: @Spisarevski
  110. @sudden death

    Not leaving nuclear equipment in the hands of monkeys (the same ones that caused Chernobyl) is actually another good reason why the Ukraine should be annexed.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  111. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anon

    So, Karlin seems way behind the times in claiming that Russia pays the pensions of the people in the LDNR? Kinda strange?…

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  112. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    I don’t think that China would have anywhere near as much success in pulling this off with Vietnam or Korea; after all, Chinese is not widely spoken there like it is in Taiwan.

    BTW, what do you think the odds are of the U.S. successfully brain-draining Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand had it actually made a serious effort to do this?

  113. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If Ukrainians in Russia are going to quickly assimilate and become Russians, what exactly makes you think that the Ukrainians who stay behind in Ukraine are going to listen to these Russian-Ukrainians?

    For instance, if Poland’s cognitive elite moved en masse to the West and embraced open borders (for everyone–including Muslims and Africans), do you think that the Poles who stay behind in Poland are actually going to go along with this?

    Same with Ukrainians in Russia. Sure, they could become Russians and become passionately pro-Russia (or pro-Eurasia), but what incentive is there going to be for the Ukrainians in Ukraine to listen to them? If anything, I suspect that these Russian-Ukrainians will simply be viewed as a permanently lost part of the Ukrainian nation whose opinions should not carry any special weight.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @DreadIlk
  114. @Mr. Hack

    My understanding is that the DNR and LNR both pay pensions, which are in turn financed by Russia.

    They can also collect their Ukrainian pensions but that requires traveling into Kiev controlled territory past block posts, security checks, etc. Rather a hassle for the elderly.

    AFAIK Syria always continued making pensions payments throughout the country, including in rebel controlled areas. This would indicate that the Syrian government sees Idlib as more Syrian than the Ukrainian government sees Donbass as Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  115. utu says:

    OT: New trend: cops start shooting their own dogs

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6246119/Texas-police-dog-shot-dead-biting-handler-raid.html

    Cop shoots police K-9 Kastor dead after it started attacking another officer during raid on suspect’s home

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6122449/Ohio-police-officer-shoots-dead-K9-attacked-him.html

    Ohio police officer shoots dead his K9 after it attacked him while the animal was being ‘verbally disciplined’

    https://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/officer-fatally-shoots-his-police-dog-after-attacks-him/AgBqo6csyloz0tquOkPfrK/

    Officer fatally shoots his police dog after it attacks him

    https://abc13.com/news/hpd-officer-attacked-by-police-dog/1694077/

    Houston Police officer attacked by police dog

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4423430/police-dog-shot-by-k9-unit-officer/

    Ohio police dog euthanized after it attacked a K9 Unit officer, who then shot it

    But

    https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/man-shot-killed-ohio-officer-jethro-sentenced-45/story?id=41645362

    Man Who Shot, Killed Ohio K-9 Officer Jethro Sentenced to 45 Years in Prison

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/10/john-rush-stabbed-police-dog-prison-sentence_n_6841004.html

    Man Who Stabbed Police Dog To Death Gets 17 Years In Prison

    https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/10181-man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-extremely-long-sentence/

    Man Who Killed Police Dog Gets Extremely Long Sentence

  116. DFH says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    When colonial regimes tried this, they usually ended up creating the leaders of anti-colonial movements (like Nehru, Gandhi and various African leaders). On the other hand, a Ukranian can assimilate to be British (at least in a generation or so) in a way that an Indian cannot to British.

  117. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No, it indicates that the Ukrainian government only wants to ensure that the right pensioner obtains the pension payment. It appears that many payments were getting into the wrong hands. Last I heard, the Red Cross, was going to act as a neutral party in this process. Also, can you provide any links that verify your understanding of Russian payed pension checks in the LDNR? Thanks.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  118. Marcus says:
    @Marcus

    *Should have been “1939 and 1945″

  119. Dmitry says:
    @Spisarevski

    Joining EU was Prokhorov’s plan.

    Theoretically, it would have usual advantages, that EU would have to transfer large funds and finance all kinds of infrastructure in Russia, until Russia reaches average EU income levels.

    However, absorbing such a large country, would not be viable for EU budget, so even if EU wanted Russia, it would then change its own rules, to reduce EU structural and cohesion funding.

    So, in other words, Prokhorov’s plan is a mirage.

    More relevant and realistic question, whether EU will be accepting the Ukraine, and the expenditure tens, if not hundreds, of billions of dollars absorbing them would cost EU budget in the future.

    Even Ukraine is probably too large country for EU budget to fund so generously, and its current African socioeconomic levels could become an endless drag on EU budgets.

    From Kiev’s perspective, EU membership is a rational goal, obviously. It would have disadvantage of mass emigration of people from Ukraine into the EU. But on the other hand, you would expect Ukraine’s economy to rapidly develop in this scenario (even if the EU becomes less generous with structural.cohesion funding than in the past).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  120. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Joining EU was Prokhorov’s plan.

    In his manifesto, he proposed common currency zone with EU, or adoption of the euro. He also wanted (even without EU membership) open borders with the EU, while closed borders with Central Asia.

    Retrospectively, it could have been interesting – I wonder if adoption of euro would shield against sanctions, or make you more vulnerable to them.

  121. @Mr. Hack

    the right pensioner obtains the pension payment. It appears that many payments were getting into the wrong hands.

    ATMs work on the West Bank of the Jordan. Do they not work on the East Bank of the Dnieper?

  122. Anonymous[663] • Disclaimer says:

    4. Over time, there will be a reflux effect as these elite Ukrainians form a moneyed, high IQ pro-Russian constituency.

    You mean the way that Indian, Kenyan and Singaporean elites educated at British universities realized that they wanted to be part of the British Empire?

    Steve Sailer said something characteristically insightful about this in the context of former president Obama’s father, I believe. American elites think, plausibly enough, that allowing third worlders to study at American universities and work in America will lead them to love and want to emulate America when they return home. But actually, their sojourns in the US often cause them to further resent America for its global dominance and arrogance.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @Pericles
  123. Marcus says:
    @Polish Perspective

    I remember being on a forum with some Romanians, they all had a very high opinion of the ethnic Germans who were expelled after WWII, though they obviously resented Germany’s role in the war. I suspect most East Europeans feel the same about their former neighbors.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Polish Perspective
  124. iffen says:

    Apparently, many (most?) Ukrainians will never come around to the idea that they are really Russians and are just deluding themselves. Which means that AK did spend way too much time around the SJWs in the US because he is for more diversity for Russia and open borders with Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  125. @Epigon

    If it is like Serbs, then they are cynical, opportunistic “Russophiles” at best, who value Russia only for the geopolitical backing and perceived profit.

    There are Serbs like that; those are called traitors. Those would sell their neighbors to gain favors with their Western masters.

    In other words, most of modern day Serbs are Serbs-in-name-only, being a particularly toxic breed of Yugoslavs and riddled with inferiority complex towards West, shallow materialism and one-sided love for West.

    Most? Care to provide a percent (round to the nearest 10) and your sources, please. Otherwise it’s just slander. Same type of idiots with inferiority complex who watch reality shows here are the idiots who watch reality shows in Serbia. Human stupidity is universal.

    There is a small core of Russophillic Serbs, in addition to Sovietophillic (due to perceived Antifascism, Socialist history and fight against Axis) grouping that often gets bundled together.

    Small? Care to provide a percent (round to the nearest 10) and your sources, please.

    Serbs’ attitudes towards Russians transcend ideology. Russians are not foreigners in Serbia; they are “ours” (наши). It was like that in 12th century (based on historical sources), and it is like that today.

    Several million Serbs happily live in “eternal, historical enemy” states like USA, UK, Germany and Austria, in addition to many “Serbs” across former Yugoslavia.

    There are no “eternal, historical enemies”; that’s retard talk. People have to make a living. Despite 20th century history, Germans are pretty cool. Not the neutered version of today, of course, but the August Von Mackensen types. Also, best classical music. If I had to pick one source of classical music to listen exclusively for the rest of my life I would pick the German-speaking composers without a second thought.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  126. @Joach

    The US did not treat the existence of Japan and Japanese culture with patronizing disdain, even contempt.

    • Replies: @Joach
  127. AP says:
    @Marcus

    Poles are different because Germany was much worse to Poland than it was to Romania (or Hungary).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  128. Sean says:

    I suppose that if superintelligence is developed soon

    When we know it has come into being will be some time after the initial development and it announces itself “like a thief in the night”.

    If it is the explanation for the Fermi Paradox absolutely no civilization in the Universe so far has got past it heretofore, and as many must have suspected super-intelligence was possible and could be arbitrarily malevolent, they did not know it was already there and covertly cooking something up. The aforementioned considerations mean the likelihood is “nothing unusual happens until all of a sudden we are all dead”. No one will ever know when it came into being and like the characters in the last scene of Skyline, people will have better things to worry about once there is evidence.

    Everyone says even with a crash program it is a few decades away at least, and by then life will not have much new to offer anyone reading this now. On the other hand, given the Fermi paradox the default seems to be it being clandestinely extant before the human (or other) experts think it is even a million to one possibility.

    Supply and demand; the high wages are not going to continue to rise with a flood of qualified incomers. Hardy making the government popular with those whose wages were formerly rising because they have scarce skills. Also the presence of an increasing supply would inhibit Russians from training in those specialties. Yet the incomers lack roots and could move on leaving a shortage of home grown qualified technical specialists. It could work but it would be risky from the point of view of retaining cohesion, especially the support of the upper middle classes.

  129. Epigon says:
    @Chet Bradley

    You live in fantasy land.
    Between “Russian brothers” and Western cash, most of Serbs picked Western cash repeatedly.
    Even Titoists opted for pro-West Tito and against USSR.
    Serbs voted for Euroatlantic stooges after a decade of Euroatlantic terror upon Serbs and an outright punitive bombing campaign.
    The last pro-Russian Serb leader was Petar Karađorđević.
    Everything after that was Anglo, American and Atlanticist stooges.

    Do we have to go through voting results from 2000 to 2012?
    Even in Srpska, inhabited by people most affected by Ustashe and Western/NATO “interventions” almost half the people vote for a fucking Freemason and US/British Embassy supported traitor.
    Ivanić, Mektić, Crnadak didn’t come out of nowhere. And you don’t want me to start on so called “Serbs from Croatia”, “Yugoslavs” and “Alija’s Serbs”. Dogs, sellouts, opportunistic scum in the last 150 years.

    Serbian lands and states are shitty because Serbs are shitty, horrible people on average. There is no going around that, things went for the worse after arguably the best people got killed in WW1. Dealing with a problem successfully requires accurate diagnostics first and foremost. Serbs were subject to worst negative selection and dysgenics in 20th century – patriotic and brave got killed in wars instigated by Anglo puppets, and by Croats; successful, patriotic got murdered and exiled by Communist scum and the capable, intelligent specialists emigrated due to economic hardships and sanctions, destructions in 1990s and 2000s.

  130. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Yes, because Poland rejected a place in the Nazi-led European order while Romania and Hungary accepted. Ironically, a higher percentage of Romania’s and Hungary’s Jewish population survived the Holocaust than Poland’s Jewish population did.

    It was probably in Poland’s best interests for France not to fall in 1940 and for the Nazis to get overthrown in a military coup afterwards. In such a scenario, peace could have been made in 1940 or 1941–though the new German leadership might have insisted on plebiscites in Danzig and the Polish Corridor (with only those people who were living there in 1918 actually being able to vote in these plebiscites) and threatened to continue the war if its demands were not agreed to.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  131. Bliss says:

    After all, the US even dropped a couple of nukes on Japan, but soon afterwards, the Japanese came to love the Americans………..People love winners, and despise losers.

    That is an absurd generalization. There must be a screw loose in your brain.

    A more rational blogger would have concluded that the post-WWII Japanese affinity towards America is based on economic and geo-political calculations: America helped Japan get very rich after it’s unconditional surrender, and America protects Japan from the vengeful wrath of China.

    I doubt the Japanese have forgiven the nukings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They are just biding their time….

  132. Epigon says:
    @iffen

    What if the definition of term Russian shifts?
    Recognising Belarus and Ukraine as equal constituents of Russian culture, tradition and history?

    Who was more Russian? Bolshevik supporters and Sovoks or anti-Soviet West Ukrainians?

    The approach should definitely change, because Moscow/Vladimir-Suzdal started as an offshoot of Kiev/Novgorod Rus’
    So instead of ridiculing and insulting Ukrainians when they claim medieval Russian descent, some praise is in order?
    I am not talking about “knife/hang the Moskal” retards and “ultras”/paramilitary subhumans.
    I am talking about historians, ethnologists, academia, folklore ensembles.
    For example, joint research of common history, demography and migrations in 12th-20th century, promotion/festivals of Belarus and Ukrainian regional culture, dialect, traditions in Russian Federation. In turn, the same for regional variants in Russian Federation.
    Centuries of separate development and different influences, conditions can’t be erased.

    Russian Orthodox Church could have symbolically returned to Kiev and one-upped schismatics and Uniats. Their stance in current Russian-Ukrainian conflict is practically unaligned, as I see it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Mr. Hack
  133. It’s time to become winners again through SWPL supremacism, CRISPR-transhumanism, and neoliberal domestic economics.

    Orthodox neoliberalism is objectively wrong. Some of its points (basically small-l libertarianism) are reasonable, but it’s very wrong on money and trade. In Russia’s context it’s also wrong on labor. That doesn’t mean one should listen to leftist cranks like Michael Hudson of course (in the Russian context I believe this man is Glaziev).

    Money

    Neoliberalism does not understand the nature of money. Exhibit A: the endless chicken little panic over sovereign debt. A country which is a sovereign currency issuer cannot default unless for some reason the government wants to. Japan’s government debt exceeds 200% of gross domestic product, and the United Kingdom has twice caused that level before.

    Now that doesn’t mean it’s a free lunch (which MMT people genuinely believe). If the economy is at full capacity, then budget deficits are likely to increase inflation and interest rates. A very high debt burden means a large portion of the state budget will be allocated to debt service, which is undesirable.

    But the point is there’s nothing inherently dangerous about government debt or deficits. It’s simply a financial question. If the economy isn’t overheating, running small budget deficits is fine and even desirable. My only caveat is that budget deficits, outside of economic crises or war, should be constitutionally mandated to only be allocated to capital spending. That will make government borrowing more like business borrowing–the state (or rather the national economy) will then get a positive rate of return on its borrowing.

    Government debt also has benefits. As the most creditworthy borrower in the country, government bonds are ideal instruments for savings where volatility is not acceptable (say you want to buy a house in three years for instance, or your business needs a margin of safety). Banks must acquire reserves as capital for their assets (loans), and government bonds are exceptional instruments for this. Insurers need bonds almost by definition.

    With government debt at only 10.1% of GDP, I would argue that Russia’s government debt is in fact too low. And with unemployment at 5.1% (not bad in international context but not full employment), loads of layabouts drawing pensions, tons of overstaffed SOEs, and inflation at 2.5% the economy is not overheating.

    So Russia should in fact increase its government borrowing for needed infrastructure. Obvious priority at this point is more infrastructure for agricultural exports (already planned, but should be increased and accelerated) where Russia now has a comparative advantage. I also don’t see any reason why Russia couldn’t displace imported LNG in South Korea and Japan, as they’re close enough to build pipelines.

    Trade

    Comparative advantage applies only to fixed factors of production. Land for instance. Thus Russia has a comparative advantage in wheat owing to its land (though some other factors are involved).

    Where factors of production are not endowed by nature, it is only true in the short-term. In the long term you can create whatever factors of production are required. This is very much worth doing, as unless a country is very small it cannot converge with the technological frontier without developing the factors of production required for modern, competitive industries.

    But owing to the long time horizon and the uncertainty of profit, investors wisely avoid such gambles. Fortunately the state can afford those gambles–or it can change the incentives to make them attractive. It can even force businesses to do these things.

    Take the example of South Korea. In 1953, right after the end of the Korean War, it was a completely destroyed country with a per capita GDP about half the level of Ghana (seriously). Today South Korea is exporting nuclear reactors, complex system-on-a-chip semiconductors, and the world’s largest merchant ships. Its per capita GDP has converged with Western Europe.

    South Korea did all three of this things.

    In 1968, the South Korean government formed the Pohang Iron and Steel Company with the intent to build itself a modern steel industry. The World Bank rejected South Korea’s request for financing. Today POSCO is one of the world’s largest and most technologically advanced steelmakers. It employs 30,000 people and has annual sales of $60 billion. United States Steel, the first billion dollar corporation in history and formed by the legends Carnegie and Morgan, lobbies the US government for trade protection from POSCO.

    In 1970s, the South Korean government launched the Heavy-Chemical Industry Drive to give itself the heavy industrial infrastructure needed to become a modern country. A complex system of incentives including subsidies, tax breaks, loans, etc. was implemented by the state. By 1980 the program had succeeded–South Korea had functional steel, chemical, electric power, truck, etc. industries.

    Also in 1980 South Korea ordered Samsung to enter the semiconductor business, which Samsung was opposed to. Too bad, the state rules. Today Samsung is the world’s largest semiconductor manufacturer, having surpassed Intel.

    If you want to see what happens to a national economy with high human capital that does NOT force itself to reach the technological frontier, isn’t the obvious example in Eastern Europe? Russia’s main exports are those given to Russia by God. Its only successful manufacturing industries are which the Soviets most obsessively focused on. Meanwhile EU Eastern Europe is an economy colony of Germany. I can’t name a single Eastern European product or brand (outside of Russian ones). Total failure.

    Labor

    Neoliberal economists treat labor simply as a factor of production. Lower costs must be good, right? Not so fast.

    Low labor costs are only relevant for low value products. You must be extremely poor to compete in these markets. For high-value products it’s irrelevant.

    Laborers are also consumers, so their purchasing power supports domestic economic demand. And get this–because businesses don’t like losing money, expensive labor causes them to invest in capital equipment, enterprise software, training, and other such things which reduce the need for labor.

    What does that lead to? Increased labor productivity. Bam–moving towards the technological frontier!

    Now the country will see its domestic industries for low value products (e.g. textiles) disappear, which puts pressure on wages and employment and harms the nation’s hinterlands. But one can protect these industries with tariffs or non-tariff trade barriers.

    The downside of such a policy is that it would exacerbate Russia’s already too large trade surplus, but Russia could simply choose to export less oil and wheat then. This would also harm foreigners which is good by definition.

    tldr

    round up all neoliberal economists and conduct an atomic bomb test on them

  134. Mitleser says:
    @Spisarevski

    And a “European Union” without the biggest European country in it has always seemed absurd to me.

    No more absurd than Germany without German Austria, the original East Germany.

  135. utu says:
    @Spisarevski

    Russia is an European country

    In what sense? Geographic? Turkey as well?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  136. Mitleser says:
    @Anonymous

    You mean the way that Indian, Kenyan and Singaporean elites educated at British universities realized that they wanted to be part of the British Empire?

    The difference is these local elite could never fully join the elite of the British Empire, hence they opted for independence.

  137. Bliss says:
    @Polish Perspective

    I would rank them highest in continental Europe. Only Anglos have had greater world impact

    France ranks higher than Germany mainly because the French Enlightenment had a greater positive impact on the World, including on the Germans starting with Frederick the Great.

    Blaming them for Marxism is pretty stupid. Marx was not exactly an ethnic German

    Neither was Einstein. So Germany shouldn’t be credited for the world impacts of two of the most impactful German speakers of all time? What’s left is Hitler….

    I also happen to be most fond of Germanic philiosophy. The French are clowns.

    Germanic philosophy is bullshit. Germany’s positive impacts on the world are in Science, Technology, the creation of the modern Welfare State.

  138. anonymous[737] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve been reading your blog for a few years but I’m not clear what you mean by the triad below. Can you briefly explain?

    winners again through SWPL supremacism, CRISPR-transhumanism, and neoliberal domestic economics.

  139. @Mr. Hack

    My loyalty to the US is much greater than to Ukraine. I pay all of my taxes, vote in all of the elections, say and mean every word of the pledge of allegiance. Did I miss anything important?

    Isn’t this a rather shallow definition?

    In contrast to, say Twinkie or Thorfinnson, who are very spirited when it comes to American affairs, you seem to reserve that feistiness for the Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Mr. Hack
  140. Do you ask the same of the Russian “patriots” who do not live in Russia?

    Emigrating at times of crisis or other extenuating events is understandable, but after a sufficient amount of time, if they show no intention of moving back, then we can conclude they simply didn’t love their motherland enough.

    Those who live in the Anglosphere should reorient their focus towards something like promoting cultural activities in their new lands, if they still wish to promote their old country.

    This goes for all diasporas in the Anglosphere, the Anglos have enough parasites as it is.

    And on a personal level, many of the Russian emigres seem to have become bizarre in their years of exile.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  141. @Bliss

    Neither was Einstein. So Germany shouldn’t be credited for the world impacts of two of the most impactful German speakers of all time? What’s left is Hitler….

    Are you kidding me? I realize history isn’t your strong suit (not sure you have a strong suit at all tbh), but the only impactful German you can name is the H-man?

    Guttenberg, Luther, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Goethe, Hahn, Siemens, Röntgen, Heisenberg, Zuse, Schumacher, Nena, Humboldt, etc…and I specifically didn’t mention any politicians, monarchs, or soldiers.

    There’s even Albert Scwheitzer, the famous lover of negroes (though he considered them to be inferior).

    Germans are one of the most accomplished nations in all of human history with a towering list of glittering achievements. And yes, a country in the heart of Europe surrounded by adversaries very nearly twice mastering the continent is impressive.

    If you add the very large German diaspora (50 million Americans for instance) they become more impressive still. Take for instance the beloved and very talented celebrity David Hasselhoff. Or, you know, the current President of the United States whose paternal family hails from the Rhenish wine-making town of Kallstadt. Supposedly Kallstadters are known in Germany itself for being braggarts. :D

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Den Lille Abe
  142. @Hyperborean

    I realise that I may be accused of hypocrisy here, but my sojourn in China is merely a temporary affair, lasting only until I finish my schooling.

  143. Joach says:
    @Philip Owen

    Neither did Russia treat Ukrainian culture or people with disdain. Ukraine’s healthy patriotism and lack of self-hatred is the result of benign Russian influence, whereas in Western Europe, the dominance of the Trotskyite-influenced ‘liberalism’ resulted in hostility towards nationalism and the natives.

    Really, this observation (self-hatred and cultural decay vs patriotism and traditionalism) can be applied to all countries under Soviet influence, and even to formerly divided Germany itself.

    It’s a betrayal of Russia and, as everyone shall see if the Atlanticists in Kiev prevail, of Ukrainains themselves, to embrace the hostile Trotskyite forces of the Anglosphere and the European Union.

    The fundamental differences between the Trotskyite liberals (on culture and sociopolitics, they resemble more Marxists in doctrine than classical British liberals — this is a very important point) and Stalinists, and the resulting conflict in the past half a century, are explored by Kerry Bolton:

    Trotsky, Stalin, & the Cold War:
    The Historic Implications & Continuing Ramifications of the Trotsky-Stalin Conflict

  144. iffen says:
    @Epigon

    What if the definition of term Russian shifts?

    Well, sure, I might be a Russian too.

    I don’t have any depth of knowledge on the subject, but from reading AK’s blog and the comments, I think that there is a core of people who believe that they are Ukrainian and they believe that Ukrainian is something different from Russian. I have read a bit of WWII history and the Ukrainians in the large part behaved as if they were different from Russians.

    • Replies: @inertial
  145. Bliss says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Guttenberg, Luther, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Goethe, Hahn, Siemens, Röntgen, Heisenberg, Zuse, Schumacher, Nena, Humboldt, etc…

    Lol. You are nuts for thinking any of them are in the same league as Hitler, Marx and Einstein when it comes to world impact and renown.

    Actually, Einstein belongs in a league of his own. The greatest “German” who ever lived. Say hi to Einstein’s mother:

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Anon
  146. inertial says:
    @iffen

    I think that there is a core of people who believe that they are Ukrainian and they believe that Ukrainian is something different from Russian.

    Is Bavarian different from German? Depends.

    I have read a bit of WWII history and the Ukrainians in the large part behaved as if they were different from Russians.

    No they didn’t.

    • Replies: @iffen
  147. @Hyperborean

    OT: I doodled a bit last week, if you’re curious insofar as to my non-writing stuff…

    Chibi cat

    Face/hand experimentation

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Hyperborean
  148. @Bliss

    Guttenberg and Luther had less impact than the H-man, Marx, and Einstein? Are you kidding me?

    I know you’re a total negroid fool but this is really a stretch.

    And Einstein’s mother is absolutely hideous. An incredibly ugly woman.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  149. Dmitry says:
    @utu

    It’s not very complicated or mystical. Ekaterinburg, for example, is city in Asia. But drive 10 or 15 kilometers West of the city, and on the highway you see on your right side a cheap marble sculpture marking boundary. Drive past the marble piece, and you know you are in Europe.

    In Turkey, in Istanbul, it’s even less complicated to know, with water border dividing Istanbul. West side of Bosphorus – Europe. East side of Bosphorus – Asia.

  150. @Daniel Chieh

    AK, can you hide the images behind a MORE? Sorry, I didn’t expect it to be so spammy.

  151. @Marcus

    You’re making a cardinal error. You’re assuming I like Germans on a social level. Germany’s achievements to world civilisation is impossible to deny, regardless of how one feels about them as people. In general, I try to disentangle my views of a people with an objective look at history. To do otherwise is puerile. It has nothing to do with ‘liking’. Most people’s mental maps have not moved out of WWII, and your comment is an example of that.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  152. Bliss says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Einstein’s mother is absolutely hideous. An incredibly ugly woman.

    You really are a piece of work. A truly evil character. I am guessing you get off on snuff videos. Disgusting.

    Guttenberg and Luther had less impact than the H-man, Marx, and Einstein?

    Hardly anyone knows or cares about Gutenberg. Besides, the Chinese were printing books long before him. Stupid of you to compare him to Einstein, who is one of the immortals, never to be forgotten.

    [MORE]

    As for Luther, he has largely faded from the scene. You rarely hear even Protestant preachers mentioning his name. Marx too will fade soon enough. Hitler will last longer, but he too will become a distant memory. But Einstein is forever. Say hi to Einstein’s sister:

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Thorfinnsson
  153. utu says:
    @Bliss

    Hardly anyone knows or cares about Gutenberg. …But Einstein is forever.

    Are you saying that Blacks are actually cognizant of Einstein but not of Gutenberg? Is Einstein better known than Mickey Mouse? Being know is the main criteria for you, right? I am asking because everything you say here has ethnocentric angle. You probably know nothing about the theory of relativity and how it was formulated and what role was played by Einstein in it and what is it good for. But what is important to you is that Einstein mother has some Negroidal quality in her looks. And you would like to claim Einstein so young Afro-Americans could have self esteem boost, right? Which is fine. Insecure nationalities have been known to do it. Look about Italians going ballistic that Columbus was one of their own or Poles about Copernicus that he was not German but Polish. So how is the meme of Einstein being African catching up so far? Are you making progress or you are just testing the beta version here? Do we really have to endure it? We are not your target audience. It is not the first time you are doing it. And a minor issue, have you checked with Jews? Oy vey, Gevalt, Eisntein Shvartze!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Dissident
  154. Mr. Hack says:
    @Epigon

    So instead of ridiculing and insulting Ukrainians when they claim medieval Russian descent, some praise is in order?…I am talking about historians, ethnologists, academia, folklore ensembles. For example, joint research of common history, demography and migrations in 12th-20th century, promotion/festivals of Belarus and Ukrainian regional culture, dialect, traditions in Russian Federation…Centuries of separate development and different influences, conditions can’t be erased.

    Your musings are sound and one would hope could influence the development of peaceful relations between the Ukrainians and Russians. But based on the crude ideas put forth by Russians like Karlin, this isn’t in the cards. Their prism of nationality politics is built around the cave manlike notion of only might makes right, and absent that, then reach out to your Ukrainian neighbors and tear away their intellectual elites by luring them away by ‘strip mining human capital’: destroy, destroy, destroy…steal, steal, steal seems to be the Russian modus operandi.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  155. Mr. Hack says:
    @Hyperborean

    My first lessons in the greatness of American exceptionalism were taught to me every single day of my childhood. I’d rush home after school to watch the 30 minute serial ‘Superman’ who fought for ‘Truth, Justice and the American way.’ In fact, I could relate to Superman very closely, whose parents were forced to send their son to a totally alien culture in order to keep him out of harm’s way in their native land, that was destroyed by an alien outside civilization. Sound familiar? I have never had a hard time being a loyal American and at the same time remain loyal to the homeland of my parents. I don’t know how Thorfinnsson sleeps at night, trying to remain a loyal American but at the same time posing as a modern day Vladimir Posner? :-)

  156. @Anon 2

    Compared to the great civilizations (although at present in danger of decline)
    created by Britain, France, and the United States, Germany and Russia are
    failed civilizations.

    I guess you don’t listen to music other than pop music, nor do you read that much high literature.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  157. ‘…At the end of the day, it is not ordinary people – proles – who set national policies. It is national elites…’

    Well, not necessarily. Here in the US, the national elites are very upset about this fact at the moment.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  158. @utu

    Yes, but renting an apartment in a big city in Switzerland costs over 2000 CHF. Unless you’re single and just rent a studio for 1000-1500.

  159. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor

    Well that is true. France and England are conspicuously lacking in the world of Classical music. The only truly great names that come to mind are Purcell and Eric Sate.

    • Replies: @inertial
    , @reiner Tor
  160. @neutral

    That’s not exactly true. American Jews are more important than Israeli Jews, and so destroying Israel would destroy what is the most important for these Jews, their fatherland, but it’d leave them intact to seek vengeance.

  161. having 200 million people (most of Ukraine + Belorussia + South Siberia) will be preferable to having 150 million due to the greater economies of scale and innovation that having more people enables.

    Except that you need to invest incredible energy to even annex these extra 50 million people, and then they will still be disloyal. By following the most clever plan, you can maybe get half of these to be loyal, the rest will still be disloyal. Meanwhile, the benefits from the economies of scale are minimal: you will only increase the total population by a bit over 30%, not much.

    When I was a small child I kept obsessing over old maps, how much larger Hungary used to be. I grew out of it. Your obsession with increasing the size of Russia (already the biggest country in the world) is childish.

  162. @Yevardian

    France does have great composers, like Debussy and Ravel, but nowhere near as many as Greater Germany.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  163. LondonBob says:
    @reiner Tor

    The two great British composers Gustav Holst and George Frideric Handel were Greater Germans. In English Protestantism music was discouraged, in Germany it was encouraged.

  164. LondonBob says:
    @Bliss

    What is the French enlightenment?

  165. @LondonBob

    You don’t need to be ashamed of your achievements, it’s something even in music, and outside of music it’s as great as or greater than any other nation.

  166. @Daniel Chieh

    I like it. But what kind of fabric is the cat drawn upon? It looks like cloth?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  167. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor

    (already the biggest country in the world)

    The majority is low-quality land by human standards.
    Not a reason not to add more higher-quality land.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  168. @Mitleser

    The real world is not so simple. For example, the only place in the Russian Far East with a growing population and a healthy economy is Yakutia, and it’s a landlocked republic that is literally colder than the North Pole. The shittiest kind of land by any metric, and yet here we are.

    Compare with the Ukraine — a place with wonderful geography and resources, and a failed state dump that rivals Somalia for retardedness.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  169. @reiner Tor

    The difference is that Russia is a big and strong country, while Hungary is weak and small. Things that are not possible for Hungary are possible for Russia. Is it fair? No. But it’s how the world works.

    Karlin got his maths wrong btw: I doubt we will find 50 million Slavs in the entirety of the Ukraine + Belarus + Kazakhstan. These territories are depopulating rapidly – the territories themselves are more interesting, than the aging, unproductive populace that inhabits them.

    • Replies: @Joach
    , @Dissident
  170. @LondonBob

    Also Delius, a grandson of one of Blucher’s officers but surprisingly not Elgar.

  171. @Mr. Hack

    Claiming descent is perfectly and legitimate except that it is also accompanied by Ukrainians attempting to monopolize the Rus legacy while calling Russians Asiatic Muscovites… Something that Ukrainian nationalists, Poroshenko, and you yourself (though not AP) engage in – while still beseeching Russia to give you gas gibsmedats. The sheer chutzpah!

    Perhaps a stable base for positive relations could be found if the Ukraine was to be run by AP. But it’s not, it’s deeply hostile to everything to do with Russia (it doesn’t just topple Lenin statues, but also Suvorov’s). So Russia has no more cause to promote its success than Latvia’s.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Felix Keverich
    , @Mr. Hack
  172. DFH says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    At least Suvorov’s statue is safe in Switzerland

  173. @reiner Tor

    Apart from Keverich’s point about Russia actually being a Great Power-

    The equivalent would be me obsessing over Alaska, the Baltics, or most of central Asia.

    Which I don’t. They’re demographically unviable, just as Transylvania is demographically lost to Hungary (though IIRC Hungarians never constituted a majority there anyway).

    What we have is part of the Russian nation cosplaying as Ukrainians, parasiting on our history, while claiming that we’re not Russians. It is also aesthetically objectionable in the extreme. Assuming the cult has gone too far to be reversed, it needs to be contained.

  174. iffen says:
    @inertial

    No they didn’t.

    I thought that proportionately there were more Ukrainian collaborators and fewer partisans as compared to Belarus.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @inertial
  175. Perhaps by neoliberal domestic economic policies, AK means the following should no longer be a normal state of affairs:

    1. Having state-owned companies and banks and politically well-connected oligarchs consistently push out foreign rivals and smaller, private sector players. BP was pretty much hounded out of its well-regarded TNK-BP joint venture in 2013 and sold out to Rosneft after a campaign of pure political intimidation. Rosneft has also hoovered up smaller Russian energy players left, right and centre. The same urge for state control is playing out\played out in utilities (37% state ownership) pharma, the media sector, finance (64% state ownership) , defence, shipping etc. For any state-owned company, you can expect it to underperform an equivalent private sector company by 20 to 40% depending on the amount of political pressure and bureaucratic deadwood. That is a severe drag on the economy. Even now Poland with a population a quarter of Russia’s has over 850 public listed companies compared to fewer than 250 for Russia. And 40% of those are SOEs.

    2. Even the tech sector, one of the few non-natural resources bright spots is vulnerable to political action. Pavel Durov only founded Telegram (headquarters in Berlin) after a buddy of Putin’s forced the transfer of nearly half the shares of VK into his hands so he could consolidate it into Mail.ru. Now one of the brightest stars of the Russian tech scene is a citizen of Saint Kitts and Nevis and will probably never be back.

    3. The same drive for protectionism has led to Russia to impose close to five hundred trade barriers between 2008 to 2015, the second-highest after India. The protectionism has helped the domestic agriculture and automotive sector grow at the expense of Russian consumers and the private sector generally.

    4. Putting those together (plus sanctions) it is not surprising that Russia has had the lowest levels of capital investment as a proportion of GDP of any major emerging economy. It has been bumping along at about 20% for years now (that too mostly for oil and gas) when healthy, growing and developing economies have investment rates closer to 28-30%.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  176. @Hyperborean

    Screen artifact from taking a quick phone photo of my touch monitor for Discord.

  177. @Anatoly Karlin

    What makes you think that AP‘s outlook is any different from Poroshenko’s? FYI, Poroshenko used to be investor in Russia and served in Yanukovich government.

    All hohols are like this.

  178. @Ali Choudhury

    1. The Russians are perfectly capable of drilling holes in the ground. As a Russian, I see no reason why companies from NATO countries should have access to our petroleum sector. They are welcome to share technology and invest in civilian manufacturing however.

    Your criticism of state-controlled enterprises is not backed by data. Sberbank is the best bank in Russia. Aeroflot is the best airline in Eastern Europe. Both are state-controlled.

    Private enterprise in Russia has a decidedly mixed record, and in my opinion, if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it.

    4. Russia is not a “developing country”. It is not one of those “tigers” in Asia. Russia is an old industrial economy, and its capital investment rate is roughly on par with Poland and other ex-Communist Europe.

  179. Anon[329] • Disclaimer says:

    “repairing the standing insult to the aesthetics of the world map represented by fake and gay countries such as Belarus and the Ukraine.” << This is why I read Karlin's blog. Hot takes all day.

    We need more reform in Russia first, because nothing can be done while people and (((journalists))) still unironically believe there is a ukranian ethnicity. I have always been perplexed by Russian ethnomasochists and traitors. Who do they think they are pleasing? To the West they are literal animals, to the East, well Chinese professor friends argue I should disregard their existence. Cutting a rant short, nothing can be done while the 5th column is lodged securely in our backside.

  180. Aslangeo says:
    @LondonBob

    I remember having a beer with a Dutchman and an Irishman

    Ireland – great writers, (Joyce, Wilde, Yates, Beckett, Heaney) – cannot think of an Irish painter
    Holland – great painters (Rembrandt, Vermeer, Hals, Van Gogh, etc) – the only dutch writer the Irish bloke and I could think of was Ann Frank

    Russia’s writers (Pushkin, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov, Pasternak, Bubin, Nabukov etc), painters (Repin, Levitan, malevich, Kandinsky, Vrubel, Serovetc. )

    Ukraine – well they will try to claim Gogol and Prokofiev but the only one I can think of was Taras Shevchenko who lets be honest has limited international appeal

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dissident
  181. I was thinking that they should import the old Swiss Banking Laws to Crimea and make it the new Switzerland. Seems even more feasible, now that Switzerland no longer has private banking numbered accounts.

    But it looks like they have a reasonable development plan for Crimea (link below). Maybe they could add a nice world class aquarium like Sea World.

    How about some nuclear powered cruise ships? Maybe a submersible cruise ship?

    Public / private investment partnerships. Government does the infrastructure and leaves room for Marriott and Starbucks to fill the gaps.

    Looks like a nice hotel.

    https://www.rt.com/business/412826-crimean-hotel-best-travel-award/

    • Replies: @Pericles
  182. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The idea that Ukrainian history tries to monopolize the Rus heritage was started by the great Ukrainian historian Michael Hrushevsky. BTW, since his monumental 9 volume magnum opus, A ‘HIstory of Ukraine Rus’, was all translated into the English language, almost all contemporary East European historians around the world have given it more than glowing reviews. Whether his thesis is credible or not, should lie in the purview of credible professional historians, not through the ramblings of a hodge podge of assorted hacks within the comments section of an electronic blog? Have you read it, or even his English language condensed one volume version first published in the 1940′s?

    I think that AP would very coherently explain to you that there’s ample reason for Ukrainians to be very hostile towards Russia today. Invading Ukrainian space and ripping off a chunk of its territory, and at the same time fomenting war in another part of its territory is not the basis for building good relations. Russian grievances with Ukraine could have been handled in a much saner and peaceful manner.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  183. AP says:
    @iffen

    OTOH there was Vlasov and all his Russian troops allied with the Germans.

    Galicians clearly behaved differently towards Germans than did Russians or central and Eastern Ukrainians, but this had to do with Germans treating Galicians differently. At the very beginning, central and eastern Ukrainian soldiers, and Russians ones too, were surrendering and their villagers were optimistic about the Germans ridding them of the Soviet nightmare. But when it became clear that the Germans would treat the locals even worse than would the Soviets, central and eastern Ukrainians, and Russians, resisted them.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @iffen
    , @Mikhail
  184. Marcus says:
    @Polish Perspective

    Well, I guess Poland would be different. But wherever they went in the US or Europe, Germans were highly regarded for their orderliness, work ethic, and respect for host peoples (though that may have been superficial).

  185. Mr. Hack says:
    @neutral

    Yeah, I’ve thought about moving to Ukraine and retiring there. What Ukraine needs are laws that encourage dual citizenship. But then again Panama and Costa Rica are attractive alternatives, and they already allow for dual citizenship. :-)

    BTW, Superman has already died, I’ve been told. :-(

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    , @Anon
  186. Marcus says:
    @AP

    Ukraine in particular became a source of much needed cheap labor for German industries. History repeats itself

  187. @Bliss

    She looks kind of like Malcolm Gladwell. Not a compliment.

    No wonder they hate us so much.

  188. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. Hack

    BTW Karlin, if you closely look at my comments, you’ll see that I’m almost as appreciative of Russian culture as AP is. Do you recall my comments where I’ve praised the Museum of Russian Art in Minneapolis? I’ve even also admitted my fondness for old time sovok soviet movies from the 1940′s and 1950′s, Mosfilm (but probably not for the same reasons that inspired the production of these films in the first place). Russian music is fabulous. Russian food? Haven’t I already praised pelemeni (with vinegar) and Borodinsky bread enough already? Russian literature – although great, is too often veiled in darkness and reveals the bleak nature of the Russian soul. You should read it sometime. :-(

  189. @Mr. Hack

    Superman is a Jewish creation.

    I had to look up Vladimir Posner. Having read the Wikipedia article I remember my father talking about this guy.

    A really strange person to compare me to.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Mr. Hack
  190. AP says:
    @Aslangeo

    Ukraine – well they will try to claim Gogol

    If you knew anything about Gogol you would know that he was an ethnic Ukrainian who moved to Russia and became a Russian patriot. But he was still an ethnic Ukrainian, born in Ukraine to Ukrainian and half-Ukrainian half-Polish parents, wrote Ukrainian plays as a kid, mixed with the Ukrainian diaspora in St. Petersburg as an adult, used Ukrainian themes in his early writings. Many of his Russian contemporaries viewed him as a foreigner.

    Gogol was sort of like the Polish writer Joseph Conrad who moved to England and wrote in English, except Conrad never used Polish themes in his writings while Gogol used Ukrainian subjects.

    Kazimir Malevich was a Ukrainian-speaking assimilated Pole from Ukraine, not a Russian.

    People who complain that Ukrainians try to steal Rus, steal Gogol and Malevich.

    A Ukrainian composer, Mykola Leontovych, wrote the famous Christmas song Carol of the Bells, based on a Ukrainian folk song. Leontovych was a Ukrainian nationalist and was murdered by Cheka in 1921.

  191. @Mr. Hack

    > retiring to a country with no law enforcement

    Please, I don’t even.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  192. DreadIlk says:
    @Beckow

    I like Karlin’s idea have not thought of it my self.

    So I will try and defend it here.

    1. You don’t need them in Russia. They are the ones you want to hurt with Karlin’s proposal by denying them leverage over pro Russian Ukranians.

    2. Real High IQ is extremely valuable and rare. Precisely targeting them would be a coup of it own. Administering IQ tests as part of the program for example.

    3. No they won’t but then they would have to stoop to Russian level to compete. So Ukraine will get brain drained even faster. Plus the west already has svidomi high IQ on their side as you said emotions matter. Russia would not concern it self with those.

    4. It’s all a long game. Everyone has nukes no more domination victory only cultural and scientific is possible now.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  193. iffen says:
    @AP

    central and eastern Ukrainians, and Russians, resisted them.

    Do you have anything comparing Ukrainian partisan activity with Belarus partisans once the Red Army began its westward push?

  194. @AP

    People who complain that Ukrainians try to steal Rus, steal Gogol and Malevich.

    Here’s a quote for ya: (hope you still haven’t forgotten your native language)

    Нам надо писать по-русски: надо стремиться к поддержке и упрочению одного, владычного языка для всех родных нам племен. Доминантой для русских, чехов, украинцев и сербов должна быть единая святыня — язык Пушкина, какою является Евангелие для всех христиан.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  195. DreadIlk says:
    @AP

    Yeah but crime, svidomi and etc swing it highly in favor of moving to Russia. You have grenade explosions all over your country as feral svidomi use armament from military for their own purposes. Ukraine is turning into giant Chechnya.

    • Replies: @AP
  196. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Superman is a Jewish creation.

    And Thorfinnsson is a Swedish creation. So?

    So much of modern American culture is a Jewish creation. They did a great job of it and should be praised for it!

  197. AP says:
    @DreadIlk

    What a bizarre idea of how life in Ukraine is. Crime in Ukraine is now down to 2013 level, after spiking in 2015. Try to put the Russian nationalist media down, repeating what you read there about Ukraine makes you look foolish.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    , @DreadIlk
  198. Mr. Hack says:
    @anonymous coward

    Russian is much less a pure Slavic language than Ukrainian. It’ a hodge podge of Old Church Slavonic, Old Ukrainian, local Slavic ‘village patois’ French, German, Turkic, with an undertone of pronunciation in Finnish cadence.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  199. @Mr. Hack

    So much of modern American culture is a Jewish creation. They did a great job of it and should be praised for it!

    You see nothing… strange about this statement at all?

  200. @Mr. Hack

    I don’t accept Jews as part of any nationality other than Jewish.

    The Jews need to be removed from America (and every other country).

    The few good Jews like Ron Unz and Paul Gottfried don’t break the rule.

    Do you seriously think our contemporary culture is praiseworthy? I suppose you can admire its technical execution, but beyond that it’s incredibly degenerate.

    • Agree: Felix Keverich
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Dissident
  201. AP says:
    @anonymous coward

    So Ukrainians, Czechs and Serbs should all abandon their languages and speak Russian. Good luck with that.

    As Gogol became older (and mentally ill lol) he became a Russian nationalist. But when he was younger he was more ambivalent.

    Gogol, “Vzgliad na sostavlenie Malorossii”:

    http://feb-web.ru/feb/gogol/texts/ps0/ps8/ps8-040-.ht

    Skip down to section six.

    ” And southern Russia, under the powerful auspices of the Lithuanian princes, completely separated from the north. Any connection between them was ripped apart; there came to be two states, by the same name – Rus. One under the Tatar yoke, the other under one scepter with the Lithuanians. But there was no intercourse between them. Other laws, other customs, another goals, other communications, and other feats created… two completely different natures.”

    Gogol about Mazepa’s conflict with Peter:

    http://feb-web.ru/feb/gogol/texts/ps0/ps9/ps9-083-.htm

    “This power, this gigantic might, plunged the independent state [samobytnoe gosudarstvo] remaining merely under the protection of Russia, into despondency. The people that belonged to Peter as private property, demeaned by slavery and despotism, submitted, though with grumbling. It was not only necessity but need, as we shall see later, that led them to submit. Their extraordinary ruler strove to elevate them, but his medicine was too strong. But what could be expected of a people so different from the Russians, who breathed freedom and robust Cossackdom and wished to live their own way of life? They were threatened by a loss of nationality [Gogol’s word: natsionalnost] and by having their rights made to a greater or lesser extent equal with the people who were personally owned by the Russian autocrat.”

    Typical Ukrainian nationalist tropes – Russians are slaves to a despot, Ukrainians are a free people.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    , @Mikhail
  202. @AP

    There is no hot water…

    This might have something to do with rapidly warming attitudes towards Russia:

    48 percent of Ukrainians told the Kiev International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) that they hold a positive attitude toward Russia, according to survey results published on Wednesday, up from 37 percent last year.

    By contrast, only 32 percent of Ukrainian respondents said they hold negative views of Russia, down from 46 percent last year.

    KIIS reported that, for the first time since April 2014, a majority of Ukrainians thought they should share open borders with Russia.

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/more-ukrainians-hold-positive-views-russia-than-negative-poll-says-63137

    This is Ukrainian poll

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Joach
  203. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The Jews need to be removed from America (and every other country).

    The few good Jews like Ron Unz and Paul Gottfried don’t break the rule.

    So, I suspect that you’d banish the likes of Paul Unz and Paul Gottfried to their ‘homeland’ Israel? (how good of you, that you don’t suggest a more permanent, ‘final solution’ to this pesky ‘problem’)’.

    Why stop with the Jews? Why not those of Swedish and Ukrainian descent too? Why should the indigenous, autochtonous Native Americans allow anybody else than themselves to populate this land?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  204. @Mr. Hack

    If you actually spoke Ukrainian you’d know that it has a shitload more Turkic loans than Russian.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  205. @AP

    Typical Ukrainian nationalist tropes – Russians are slaves to a despot, Ukrainians are a free people.

    Read the quote again. It’s about Peter I specifically, not some nebulous “Russian mentality”. And yes, the fact that Peter I was a horrible ruler and a despot is not a controversial view in Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
  206. Mr. Hack says:
    @anonymous coward

    You’re right it does (as well a Polish too). Turkish aside, Russian has loads more loan word than Ukrainian!

  207. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    There is no hot water…

    There is no hot water in 30% of Kiev. We went over this. Russian sources claim there is no hot water in 30% of Russian homes and 20% of urban Russian homes..

    As war in East winds down Ukrainians are calmer about Russia.

    Forty-eight percent of Ukrainians told the Kiev International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) that they hold a positive attitude toward Russia, according to survey results published on Wednesday, up from 37 percent last year.

    By contrast, only 32 percent of Ukrainian respondents said they hold negative views of Russia, down from 46 percent last year.

    Meanwhile, only one-third of Russian respondents expressed positive attitudes towards Ukraine this year, the independent Levada Center reported, and a majority of Russians said they viewed Ukraine negatively (55 percent).

    Looks like Russians are greater victims of propaganda than Ukrainians :-)

    Keep in kind that in early 2014, 80% of Ukrainians had a positive view of Russia.

    KIIS reported that, for the first time since April 2014, a majority of Ukrainians thought they should share open borders with Russia.

    This means that a majority don’t want the border to be closed and don’t want to have visa controls between the two countries. That’s not saying much.

    Survey here:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=795&page=1

    38% of Ukrainians want closed borders with visa controls between Russia and Ukraine. It’s probably very rare for so many residents of a much-poorer country to want such relations with a much wealthier neighbor.

    50% of Ukrainians want two countries with normal friendly relations without visas and customs.

    4% of Ukrainians want union.

    The rest are undecided.

    In Russia, 32% of Russians want closed borders with visa control, 45% want two countries with no visas or customs, and 16% of Russians want union between the two countries.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  208. AP says:
    @anonymous coward

    Russians, according to Gogol: The people that belonged to Peter as private property, demeaned by slavery and despotism, submitted, though with grumbling

    Little Russians/Ukrainians, according to Gogol: breathed freedom and robust Cossackdom and wished to live their own way of life

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  209. Aslangeo says:
    @AP

    I was winding you up about Gogol.

    If we start talking about composers, how about Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Borodin, Shostakovich, rimsky korsakov, Rachmaninov etc. As well as Prokofiev who I am sure you would like to claim, oh and let us not mention the bolshoy and mariinsky ballet

    Russia has a rich and varied culture, like other nations such as France, Germany, England, Italy and Spain. Russia has had a global cultural influence, students around the world study Tolstoy and Chekhov , Ukraine well not so much

    I terms of language purity I don’t buy it. English has been enriched by foreign words and so has Russian, backwater languages tend to borrow less

    • Replies: @AP
  210. @Mr. Hack

    I’d be happy to grant exemptions to the few demonstrable righteous Jews. But they still could not be permitted to reproduce. And actually the latter caveat presents an alternative to deportation as well. Live out your life in America, but you don’t get to reproduce or influence politics/culture. Don’t like it? Emigrate.

    Swedish and Ukrainian descent? Well you might have a point about those of Ukrainian descent. :)

    America is a European country. The Amerindians were defeated and largely replaced.

    It’s also not clear that it is in their interests to have a homogeneous nation-state because they are incompetent, unlike us. Whereas we suffer negative consequences from more or less every single minority whom we foolishly allowed into the country (or brought over in chains).

    The Jews, however, along with the blacks, are a special case in that they cause extreme problems.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Mr. Hack
  211. AP says:
    @Aslangeo

    You have very adequately described how Russian rule has been bad for Ukrainian cultural production.

    That having been said, I suspect more of the world’s people recognize Carol of the Bells than recognize anything written by Mussorgsky, Borodin, Shostakovich, Rimsky Korsakov, or Rachmaninov.

    • Replies: @Aslangeo
  212. @AP

    much wealthier neighbor.

    A rare moment of honesty from you here.

    Visa supporters are Galician nutters no doubt. They mostly work in Poland anyway, and don’t mind screwing over their Eastern compatriots.

    • Replies: @AP
  213. @Thorfinnsson

    The Jews, however, along with the blacks, are a special case in that they cause extreme problems.

    Perhaps part of the problem, aside from their ethnic nepotism, is simply that they are insane?

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8123-insanity#ixzz0tR7AYwCY

    https://www.henriettes-herb.com/eclectic/journals/nemaq1915/02-jews.html

  214. Aslangeo says:
    @AP

    Some countries have culture, sone just don’t,

    nothing to do with who ruled them, after all Ireland produced some great literature under British rule, and Tragore from India got the Nobel prize for literature in 1913.

    • Replies: @DFH
  215. DFH says:
    @Aslangeo

    Ireland produced some great literature under British rule,

    Yeah, almost all of it people who were ethnically British

  216. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The Jews, however, along with the blacks, are a special case in that they cause extreme problems.

    Comparing the Jews with the blacks in the US is literally a black and white comparison. Besides adding much to the American cultural landscape, Jews have been fundamental in promoting US business interests. Look at Trump (your hero, I guess), isn’t he surrounded by Jews in all strata of his administration – isn’t he doing a swell job with the economy?

    BTW, the ‘degenrate’ culture that’s evolved in America hasn’t seemed to deter you from being a pop music afficiando. I bet that you even own and ride a Harley too (maybe not, because you surely would have bragged about it by now). :-)

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  217. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    much wealthier neighbor.

    A rare moment of honesty from you here.

    While no one is perfect, pretty much everything I’ve written here about Ukraine has been correct and you have failed to disprove it, as in the post you have replied to.

    Visa supporters are Galician nutters no doubt. They mostly work in Poland anyway, and don’t mind screwing over their Eastern compatriots.

    58% of western Ukrainians, 39% of central Ukrainians, 26% of southern Ukrainians, and 20% of eastern Ukrainians (!!!) want visa controls with Russia.

  218. @Mr. Hack

    Americans are excellent businessmen. We don’t need the Jews to succeed in the market. And if you think the Jews add to our cultural landscape you’re not paying attention (or are crazy).

    The blacks and the Jews are indeed very different, but they’re alike in that both are fundamentally destructive and parasitic.

    Trump is indeed useless on JQ. He’s a transitional rather than a transformational figure. But he also happens to be very cool, so I can’t help liking the guy.

    As far as my own consumption of culture goes, I happen to be a degenerate. I drink, do drugs, fornicate, etc. Woke up in another strange woman’s home this morning. Trying to reform. At least I don’t gamble, cheat, steal, or lie.

    No motorcycle, but I am looking at getting one. Not a Harley as they’re for boomers in my view. I like this one: https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/heritage/rninetracer.html

  219. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Please don’t use an organ donation machine.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  220. inertial says:
    @iffen

    In the kind of WWII books you are likely to read, when they say Ukrainians they mean Galicians. But Galicians are not real Ukrainians. Or else the are the only real Ukrainians, take your pick.

    • Replies: @iffen
  221. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    A German made machine, instead of an American made one? Very telling.

    AP – Thorfinnsson wishes to become a ‘smertelnyk’, eh? :-(

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  222. DreadIlk says:
    @AP

    That is what GDP PPP is used for and not nominal. PPP takes how cheap the good and services are into consideration. So PPP comparison is better then wage comparison.

    Russia has better safety net and more opportunities due to having a higher GDP PPP per capita. Yes Poland can and does compete with Russia in PPP per capita but the competition is not over and we will see where everyone stands in 10 years, 20 years and etc. Also Russia is a much bigger economy than Poland and I would say set up better to compete in this regard. As in Russians can absorb more people without strain then the Poles and EU.

  223. AP says:

    That is what GDP PPP is used for and not nominal. PPP takes how cheap the good and services are into consideration. So PPP comparison is better then wage comparison

    The best way to compare who makes how much where is by comparing wages and adjusting them for cost of living, not simply using GDP PPP (which is an okay indicator, but not the same as wages).

    When you adjust for cost of living, the average monthly wage in Russia is $1,331, in Ukraine is $954, and in Poland is $1,948. This is why currently many more Ukrainians go to work in Poland than go to work in Russia.

    However in the case of migrant workers adjusting for cost of living might not be as relevant. Migrant workers save all their money so they can spend it back home, where it goes much further. They don’t bother spending much money in restaurants, on rent (they live many in a cheap apartment), on hotels, etc. that get factored into cost of living measures.

    So when you compare pure monthly wages, in Russia they are 454 Euros, in Ukraine 221 Euros and in Poland 793 Euros.

    If your goal is to save as much money as possible and lose as little as you can on cost of living issues (by limiting exposure to restaurants, rent, etc.), Poland becomes even more attractive. Wages are nearly twice as high in Poland as they are in Russia, and nearly 4 times higher than in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @DreadIlk
  224. @AP

    Huh? You talking about drinking and driving?

    While drinking and driving is legendary and proof of man’s triumph over nature, I don’t do it anymore as it’s not worth the trouble.

    If I’m not good to drive (definitely the case last evening) I get the police to drive me. Benefits of small town living.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AP
  225. @Mr. Hack

    Exactly why protectionism is needed. People (including me) shouldn’t be permitted to make this choice.

  226. AP says:

    OT but I would add Russian domesticated foxes to dogs as an animal that people should’t mistreat, eat or kill for no good reason:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-prince-evolution/201810/domesticated-foxes-laugh-you-and-without-you

    Videos of these guys are nice. Russia should export them.

  227. @Thorfinnsson

    It’s a morbid medical joke: motorcycles are “donorcycles” because they cause fatal, but targeted damage to the body. Organs are in good condition for transplant.

  228. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Motorcycles, aka donorcycles. The world would be a worse place if you became like that.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  229. DreadIlk says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    The plan is not to make them listen. The plan is to strip mine them of talent. Now in weakened form whether they listen or not is not that important. But I hope for their own good they do listen when they are so weakened.

  230. @AP

    Get this, you will be ready to be Immortan Joe:

  231. Beckow says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    …because Poland rejected a place in the Nazi-led European order while Romania and Hungary accepted.

    Nazi Germany never offered Poland a ‘place‘. German policy at that time was straightforward: remove gradually all population in the areas that would become Germany. That included Poland, Czech R., most of Ukraine – it was the ‘lebensraum‘. Poles were slated to disappear, and disappear they would if Russians had not defeated Germans and saved Poland from annihilation. I don’t think British, Americans or Canadians would shed blood to save Poland – and they didn’t. (Lebensraum wasn’t a mythical dream-land of Western imagination, it was a well-defined, specific region east of Germany).

    The fact that Germans considered Slavic ethnic groups ‘untermenschen‘ also meant that they were unwilling to ally themselves with Poles, Serbs or Czechs. (Croats, Ukrainians and Slovaks had a temporary role as placeholders and quasi-allies, to be dealt with later.)

    Hungarians and Romanians were perfect allies for Germany: non-Slavic, in places that Germans didn’t plan to settle, so they were accepted. Poles never had that choice.

    • Agree: Bliss
  232. @Thorfinnsson

    “…. because businesses don’t like losing money, expensive labor causes them to invest in capital equipment, enterprise software, training, and other such things which reduce the need for labor.”

    and

    “Bam–moving towards the technological frontier!

    Technological frontier, no less!!

    You’d surprised to learn to what extent human core technologies still belong to the 19th century.

    Last time I checked a technology to replace say, seamstresses and other garment factory workers with Star Trek style synthesizers and replicators, did not exist yet.

    So, here on Earth, businesses that don’t like losing money simply move manufacturing and services to cheap labor countries like China, Vietnam, Cambodia and others.

    The rest is just a fairy tale because, you see, if the technology is not there, it takes magic or special effects to do it .

  233. Beckow says:
    @DreadIlk

    I don’t disagree with AK, I was only pointing out the potential obstacles.

    The game is also not that long. West has been losing its footing and they have to escalate in the next few years. This is the introductory phase.

    High IQ is extremely valuable and rare

    True, but it is also linked with behaviours that are, using a polite term, not ‘state-affirming‘. High IQ people tend toward relativism, ethnic ambiguity, even a touch of absurdism. You can observe it in the fact that high IQ geographic concentrations (capitols and university cities) are also the most wobbly when it comes to pro-one’s-nation policies. That holds true almost everywhere, from London to NY, from Moscow to Budapest. Importing them in large numbers is a devil’s bargain. On top of it, most high IQ individuals are high maintenance and may cost more than they produce.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @iffen
  234. @Dmitry

    This is not true. In my 27 years in the US Universities the only agency that ever wanted to see my diplomas was INS (now US CIS) when my visa was switched from J1 to H1-B. Even they did not want any evidence for English proficiency.

    The problem with Ukrainians moving to the US or EU is that only really good competitive people can do that. There are few of those in Ukraine today: everybody who is anybody (and a lot of nobodies, as well) has already left.

    Karlin’s proposal has another drawback. Population strengthens countries only when that population is of good quality. The people who bought into cargo-cult of European integration, those who meekly accept their declining living standards and withering political freedoms under current criminal regime in Kiev can only weaken a country that accepts them. Maybe 10% of the remaining Ukrainian residents (i.e., 2-3 million people max) are good enough to strengthen Russia, and Russia currently is attracting many of these people, such as qualified workers and engineers running from rotting Ukrainian industry, etc. Russia certainly should not attempt to bring in so-called Ukrainian elites: there are enough shameless thieves in Russia as it is.

  235. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Overall Vlasov’s forces didn’t engage in the level of violence against civilians as the OUN/UPA. Vlasov’s forces also contributed to the liberation of Prague from the Nazis.

  236. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    In the Russian Empire era, many Russians viewed Gogol as being from a closely related region to (for lack of a better term) Russia proper. Lermontov expressed pride in the part of the Russian Empire that he was from.

  237. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Soviet like psychiatry:

    As Gogol became older (and mentally ill lol) he became a Russian nationalist.

    In other words, he became wiser with age.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @AP
  238. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    That’s another distortion on your part. As AC notes, numerous Russians opposed to svido views, have a negative view of Peter. Know some of them in the ROCOR, with others in that group taking different views, ranging from nuanced to diametrically opposed.

    • Replies: @AP
  239. Mitleser says:
    @anonymous coward

    Yakutia is neither landlocked nor particularly shitty.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  240. iffen says:
    @inertial

    Is it safe to say that Galicians who are not real Ukrainians are definitely not Russian, but if they are possible Ukrainians, whether they could also be Russians is problematic?

  241. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I happen to be a degenerate. I drink, do drugs, fornicate, etc. Woke up in another strange woman’s home this morning.

    Well, I was raised in a sophisticated kind of style.
    Yeah, my taste in music and women drove my folks half wild.
    Mom and Dad had a plan for me,
    It was debutantes and celebraties,
    But I like my music hot and like my women wild.

    Yeah, an’ I like my women just a little on the trashy side,
    When they wear their clothes too tight and their hair is dyed.
    Too much lipstick an’ er too much rouge,
    Gets me excited, leaves me feeling confused.
    An’ I like my women just a little on the trashy side.

    Prole version.

    Thor/prole same/same.

  242. Pericles says:
    @Polish Perspective

    Blaming them for Marxism is pretty stupid. Marx was not exactly an ethnic German and he was the driving force.

    Marx furthermore wrote his little thing while in London.

  243. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    allowing third worlders to study at American universities and work in America will lead them to love and want to emulate America when they return home.

    Obvious problem: They certainly don’t want to go back.

  244. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    I just directly quoted Gogol. If you have a problem, take it up with him.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  245. AP says:

    Sort of OT, but it according to NY Times the Bavarians are embracing their own vyshyvanky:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/world/europe/germany-bavaria-dirndl-lederhosen.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    Bavarian Millennials Embrace Tradition — Dirndls, Lederhosen and All

  246. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    Burning his works, self-starvation (which may have led to his death), and episodes of catatonia is decompensation, not attaining wisdom.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  247. Pericles says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    I was thinking that they should import the old Swiss Banking Laws to Crimea and make it the new Switzerland. Seems even more feasible, now that Switzerland no longer has private banking numbered accounts.

    Not a bad idea, since Russia wouldn’t knuckle under to US pressure like most tax havens, but there would have to be substantial confidence building first.

    Don’t forget to introduce that alternative to SWIFT while you’re at it.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Pericles
  248. Beckow says:
    @Pericles

    These are all examples of how much mischief Russia could cause to the West if it remains independent. It is too big, too resources rich, too advanced, and too ‘white‘ – its very existence undermines the Atlantic Council domination of the world.

    In the 90′s the Western attack on Russia started as not much more than massive resource pillage. But there was always a behind-the-scene group that wanted to destroy Russia, once and for all, as a potential adversary (or as revenge for WWII and Cold War).

    Once Russia started to resist, and the easy goodies were taken away, West has tried a total economic and mental attack (mostly stupid statements in the media). So far it has produced almost no results.

    This is an inherently unstable situation, and not just in Ukraine. E.g. there is no conceivable way for the sanctions to be removed, there is no way to remove the troops from Russia’s border (or Russian allies in Donbas), and the ‘defensive‘ missiles are staying in Poland and Romania. In a few years any random event can trigger massive escalation. One has to wonder what the West is planning for its next economic downturn, or next time they lose an election to a ‘populist’, or when one of their vassals on Russia’s border goes full Saakasvilli and tries a shooting war. If Russia abandons all IP protections, or starts its own version of Swiss banking, the screams in the West could be ear-shattering. This is not good.

  249. Here’s some of AquariusAnon’s thoughts if Russia wants to become a “cooler” country on the global stage. Especially as a lot of svidomists are toning down, this will be very important to turn them actually into being pro-Russia.

    Russian should become a Svidomist state itself. So I’ll discuss the main tenants Russian svidomy:

    All statues of Lenin to be toppled.

    All Communist vestiges and names to be removed/renamed. The ONLY remnants of Communism should be kitschy tourist traps located on the outskirts of Moscow away from the population reserved for Chinese tourists

    For the kitschy tourist traps, don’t even put any Russian signage. It should be largely in Chinese, with just enough English so that the likes of Godfree Roberts and Nicolas Maduro can navigate them. The only Commie themed anything Russians be allowed to visit is the Museum of Russian genocide.

    Mourn the Holodomor as a 1932-1933 Russian Genocide, perhaps even rename it to something along the lines of that formally. Likewise, call the Gulags, Concentration Camps, and have something along the lines of Auschwitz that all foreigners should go see.

    October 8 should be a national day of mourning. All non-essential functions of Russian society should shut down, which includes work, school, all restaurants and stores, the Russian airspace, ports, everything, for an entire day. The ONLY functions that should remain on that day are essential services and travels catering strictly to emergencies.

    Just like Kiev has been painting fences, buildings murals, and everything in the Hohol flag, Moscow should do the same with the tricolors. The Russian flag should be flown from every single lamp post in Moscow. The Imperial Eagle should replace the Kremlin Stars and should appear on every single government building.

    To throw the SWPLs a bone, gay marriage should be nominally legalized, as in allow special licenses to operate gay bars and have a special room in the city hall to do gay marriages that will be secluded and barren.

  250. Foreign policy should keep the following in mind: The West is an unfriendly adversary of Russia and should not be appeased. China has designation for Russia as a vassal state and dealing with that country requires a mixture of suspicion, veiled threats, and an army of expert Sinologists. The Middle East just wants gibsmedat from Russia and cooperation should be limited to oil projects, and selling weapons to everybody in the region.

    For the West, Russia should be unapolegetically standing up for its rights, while at the same time, grant visa free access to Westerners who book a roundtrip or transit ticket (plane, train, boat, or bus) on a RUSSIAN TRANSPORTATION ONLY. The investment atmosphere and ease of doing business for Western companies looking to deal with Russia should be very straightforward, and promote usage of stuff like shell companies or trading in other currencies to avoid sanctions for Western companies, given they hire only Russians.

    For China, trade on weapons, technological products, and agriculture should be increased. HOWEVER, the PLA shouldn’t be anywhere near Russian soil. The Chinese mass tourism industry should be nipped in the bud and destroyed, unless handled 100% by Russians the whole way. Chinese FDI, while welcomed, should be closely monitored to ensure that Russians are in charge of running everything and hiring everyone.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  251. “Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky: Kiev in 1905. ”
    I did not know that color photography had been developed in 1905.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  252. Gerard2 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    And Thorfinnsson is a Swedish creation. So?

    But the only excuse for your utter braindead amount of moronism is that you are a product of a toxic spillage infused with the typical Banderite, failure,loser scumbag rapist……raping a goat….in front of a school playground ( which isn’t an exaggeration of what you stateless scumbags were doing in the early 1940′s…before the CIA/MI6 helped you to escape in shame).

    This isn’t meant to demean you or humiliate you…just to explain what a sick inbreeding tosser you are

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  253. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    You “directly quoted Gogol “, with some mis-informative spin, which I astutely refuted.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  254. Mitleser says:
    @AquariusAnon

    All statues of Lenin to be toppled.

    No. Commie-era statues enrich the country.

  255. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    That aspect pertains to his very end, as opposed to prior to that, when he came back from the West with a greater appreciation of Russia.

    His somewhat changed views (somewhat in that he never opposed Russia) seem more sincere than (as an example) Filaret’s flip flop.

  256. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AquariusAnon

    Mourn the Holodomor as a 1932-1933 Russian Genocide, perhaps even rename it to something along the lines of that formally. Likewise, call the Gulags, Concentration Camps, and have something along the lines of Auschwitz that all foreigners should go see.

    Stephen Cohen has repeatedly noted that Putin very much backed the formal commemoration in Moscow to the victims of the Stalin era.

  257. Mikhail says: • Website
    @wild strawberries

    I did not know that color photography had been developed in 1905.

    For a good number of years now, black and white photos and newsreels from that era can be very accurately added with color.

  258. @AquariusAnon

    Sorry, but Karlin’s advise, however misguided, was meant to promote Russia, rather than make it stark staring mad, like today’s remainder of Ukraine (minus Crimea, minus Donbass, minus a few million gastarbeiters working in Russia and elsewhere). Your recipe might be good for a madhouse, but not for a sane country.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
  259. @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack says: “So much of modern American culture is a Jewish creation. They did a great job of it and should be praised for it!”

    Benjamin Ginsberg extols how his tribe has economically assisted historic European rulers advance their nations in FATAL EMBRACE; JEWS AND THE STATE by their banking establishments. The national bankruptcy and social upheaval that terminated their influence is ignored. Ben even chastises the English Barons for revolting against King John’s demand to fund the invasion of Normandy London bankers had instigated. The world was blessed with the Magna Carta–the watershed from feudal domination to elected representative government.

    The economic system the clan imposed on the United States by skullduggery in 1913 has resulted in a $21 trillion [fraudulent] National Debt and still growing. This writer, relying upon an economic analysis from a professor teaching a graduate course in bank economics, concludes the Ponzi scheme imposed is inherently destined for bankruptcy. It is further alleged to involve criminal acts of embezzlement. Ref. https://thedailycoin.org/2018/08/16/a-look-at-the-federal-reserve-through-a-different-lens/

    If a person does not recognize that the U.S. perpetual war-monger is the result of Wall Street actions, I submit they have missed the obvious.

    I decline to praise Wall Street for these reasons.

  260. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    However Ukraine is more than 30% cheaper.

    Comparing Lviv to Moscow:

    HAHAHAHAHAH! To think what a sad messed up freak you must be to write such stupid nonsense.

    [MORE]

    Average Muscovite earns 5 times than the average in Lvov you sick POS, factor in the taxation difference…we have 5.5 times more,
    factor in the much,much cheaper electricity, gas (and use of electricity and gas) in Russia,
    then factor in the use of petrol…(about 4 times per person more in Russia than in Ukraine)< factor in the loss of money from the roads in Ukraine being extremely shit, far worse than in Russia ( which has numerous mitigating circumstances and is greatly improvin, with the Federal roads now mostly excellent)…with petrol 50% less in Russia, Gas consumption and gas prices a non-contest again,

    factor in the public transport

    factor in the fact of government spending in Russia is about 30 times more than Government spending in Ukraine ( with a huge slice of the "Ukrainian" government spending coming directly from Russian money),

    the factor in you numerous lies and the idea of ghostown Lvov as cheaper or in any way appealing compared to Russia's major cities…is beyond laughable

    Odessa, not to mention Kiev, Donbass, Kharkov have WAY more access to high end good that a shithole, decrepit Lvov you imbecile- go there and you will see in the number of high quality cars, high quality things in peoples houses is very low in lvov

    it's relative proximity to an EU countries does f**k all use in it getting hold of high quality EU good…Minsk and other cities in Belarus you will see more high quality EU googs/products you idiot than in Ukraine
    this is a country that imports exponentially way more Toilet paper than it does in cars or computers or high-tech machinery you f**ked in head m0ron.

    So "Consumer Prices" beyond idiocy…unless we are talking about the Ukrop national symbol…the Watermelon, as revered as cows are in India

    Rent Prices in Lviv are 66.22% lower than in Moscow

    ..hahahahahahahahahahahah! what’s this for the imaginary contruction “boom” on Lvov and Ukraine you fantasist tramp? The new contruction of housing in Lvov is a non-starter, especially in comparison to the massive scale of construction going on in Russia, WTF is the importance of rents in Lvov when the vast majority own their own home ( typical of most ex Comunist countries you thick dickhead) . The level of construction there I know is very , very poor and low

    …the paint to repaint the decrepit usual wooden shack in Lvov centre….that is a little bit cheaper (LOL)

    Also factor in the Interest rate at double the rate of Russia’s, mortgages being more plentiful and easily available in Russia and a million other things

    Restaurant Prices in Lviv are 56.48% lower than in Moscow

    errr….No. More timewasting attention-whoring

    Local Purchasing Power in Lviv is 48.07% lower than in Moscow

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzz….idiot fantasist drivel

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=Ukraine&city2=Kiev&displayCurrency=USD

    But you would have to pay much more than the equivalent salary to attract people to a place with worse (much colder) climate, far from home, and where the potential incoming people hate the politics. A programmer making $1,400 in Lviv is most likely not going to move to Moscow for $2,700.

    After Maidan enough of Boeing’s Ukrainian researchers in Moscow wanted to go to Ukraine that Boeing opened a second R & D facility there.

    I have no idea how accurate this website is:

    https://teleport.org/cities/kiev/salaries/

    https://teleport.org/cities/moscow/salaries/

    But according to it, median salary for research scientist in Kiev is $7,253 and in Moscow it is $16,078. Taking into account cost of living differences it’s not a wide gulf.

    More amusingly stupid fantasist garbage from some freak who probably would have Lvov as the last place on Earth would want to live ( and has most certainly never been there)

  261. @Anatoly Karlin

    Wow! I am impressed with your fact—and that anybody reads these comments.

  262. @Mitleser

    Idea: replace commie statues with statues of genuine Russian national heroes (including ones from communist times–Gagarin, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, etc.). The new statues should of course be classical in style, just as the communist ones were (socialist realism is one thing the commies got right).

    Then take the communist statues and put them in a large, beautiful garden which is made into a national outdoor museum about Russia’s communist era.

    • Agree: AquariusAnon
  263. @Mitleser

    This can be a beautiful statue of Peter the Great, Catherine I, Ivan the Terrible, or Alexander Solzhetisym whatever his name is, or even Nicholas II. And yeah, also Thorfinsson’s suggestions.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  264. @AnonFromTN

    Sovok living in Nashville, interesting.

    I always think that white Southerners and Ural vatniks have a lot in common. I propose Nashville and Yekaterinburg be sister cities. Nashville pop country music should be introduced to Russia, and Russified based out of Yekaterinburg.

    Also, any English language pop or rap music in Russia should be replaced by Nashville country.

    If Red America can be an independent country, it would be a perfect ally of Russia. None of this neoliberalism.txt /r/politics threats, and none of this Chinese plans to vassalize Russia.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  265. @AquariusAnon

    I think it’s safe that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @AquariusAnon
  266. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Is it just me, or is there really more of this these days?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  267. @Daniel Chieh

    Please elaborate.

    I saw a vatnik family in Taipei that fit almost every neoliberalism.txt stereotype of white rural southerners, replace the Confederate (or American) flag by the Russian tricolor. Russian jackets + Russian flag t-shirts + Russian flag caps + Russian flag backpacks, and the wife was fat as fuck. They talked loud enough that half the A330 could hear their conversation.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  268. Mr. Hack says:
    @Gerard2

    tsk…tsk…such pent up aggression. And angst. Go for a long walk and try to clear your mind and enlighten your spirit…

  269. Bliss says:
    @utu

    But what is important to you is that Einstein mother has some Negroidal quality in her looks.

    So did the “German” Beethoven, the greatest Composer of European Classical Music. So did Pushkin, the greatest writer in the Russian language. So did Dumas the most popular writer in the French language. So did Shakespeare the greatest writer in English. So did Machado de Assis the greatest writer in Portuguese. Etc, etc

    Why does it drive you and your ilk crazy when this is pointed out? Aren’t you all obsessed with race? Don’t you all claim to be “race realists”?

    I just helped you get real. You’re welcome.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @utu
  270. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    Oh yeah, so astutely! You’re amazing Mickey, just amazing. And to think that it’s been so many years since anybody has interviewed you as a ‘Russia expert’ on radio or the TV. How many years has it been now, Mickey? Somebody with your erudtion and special insight should be in hot demand all of the time! No more advances from RT to join their staff of American writers yet? What fools they are, to let you slip between their fingers! :-)

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  271. anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    According to the Forbes list of 40 riches under 40, about half were Jewish. And in one of the years 39 out of 40 listed got rich from founding a startup. Gentiles are of course outclassed by Jewish businessmen even in the most recent generation.

    America would still be a rich country without Jewish entrepreneurship but it wouldn’t be the very rich country it is now without their contribution.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Bliss
  272. @AquariusAnon

    Its hard to know where to start. You not only conflated all Southern culture to rednecks, but you also managed to squeeze the coastal south, the deep south and the cowboy south together, at the same time that you made the Confederate and the American flag indistinguishable.

    Its pretty amazing, really.

    I guess I’ll just go with this, since I don’t have enough time to properly effortpost atm:

    Rednecks, while often overrepresented in the armed forces, are typically not your uberpatriot types. They are by definition, localists and traditionally worked with or under the gentry classes. Intimate familiarity with the military(and its problems) often makes them more, not less, suspicious of the government and they are the ones that are most likely to actually get into conflict with the government on a violent level(Ruby Ridge, for example).

    If they are serious Lost Cause people with Confederate flags, then they are even less supportive of the government. Those people exist. Most people with Confederate flags don’t go as far, but they still at least nominally pride the notion of being rebels.

    They have many dysfunctions, but the neoliberalism stereotype of them is a slam more than it is a reality. Religion is huge to many of them, and while some of us might not consider “you shouldn’t do this because the Man Above knows, he’ll have an account for you” or “I woke up, and Satan was waiting for me, I could feel him” as particularly rationalistic ways of leading life, it often guides them well.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
  273. Mitleser says:
    @AquariusAnon

    This can be a beautiful statue of…

    There is already a well-designed statue there.
    If you want another one, place it someone else, capitalist.

    or Alexander Solzhetisym whatever his name is

  274. @Bliss

    We’re just amused by how stupid and egomaniacal you are.

    Perhaps the Unz Review’s greatest commenter, Thorfinnsson, is in fact black.

    We wuz shitlordz

    • Replies: @Bliss
  275. Bliss says:
    @Polish Perspective

    Blaming them for Marxism is pretty stupid.

    You can thank the Germans for Socialism though:

    https://fee.org/articles/marching-to-bismarcks-drummer-the-origins-of-the-modern-welfare-state/

    Soviet socialism may now be a thing of the past, but there is one form of statism that still dominates the world, including the United States: the modern welfare state……The modern welfare state had its birthplace in late nineteenth-century Imperial Germany under Chancellor Otto von Bismarck.

    Bismarck explained to an American sympathizer the strategy behind these laws that guaranteed every German national health insurance, a pension, a minimum wage and workplace regulation, vacation, and unemployment insurance.

    In 1915, an American admirer of the German welfare state, Frederic Howe, explained the nature of the system in a book called Socialized Germany:

    The state has its finger on the pulse of the worker from the cradle to the grave. His education, his health, and his working efficiency are matters of constant concern. He is carefully protected from accident by laws and regulation governing factories. He is trained in his hand and in his brain to be a good workman and is insured against accident, sickness, and old age. While idle through no fault of his own, work is frequently found for him. When homeless, a lodging is offered so that he will not easily pass into the vagrant class.

  276. @anonymous

    I disagree.

    I do not disagree that Jews are talented businessmen. More talented, on average, than Americans are. The old stock WASPs who restricted immigration admitted this as well.

    But looking only at entreneurship ignores other impacts the Jews have on America. If not for the Jews for instance, it’s quite possible “civil rights” would never have occurred (feminism, at least the first two waves, was unfortunately pushed by WASPs). How much richer would America be if negroes had never been permitted to destroy hundreds of cities?

    Or you can take America’s foreign policy in the Middle East, which was captured by the Jews in the aftermath of 9-11. Joseph Stiglitz estimated the total cost of the Iraq War (including future costs) at $6 trillion.

    Even returning to business, not all entrepreneurship is productive. Jews for instance are traditionally known as money-lenders. And while gentiles have been doing banking now for seven or eight hundred years, Jews are grossly overrepresented in things such as payday loans. Goldman Sachs retail banking subsidiary, Marcus, is now massively offering subprime personal loans just to get proprietary data for its trading group (they figure a rise in default rates is something they can trade on).

    Such predatory, destructive businesses do not add to the wealth of the nation.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @anonymous
  277. anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:

    I recently recruited a Taiwanese lawyer over to the mainland for my firm. The lawyer received at least a 50% pay bump compared to in Taiwan. Professional wages in Taiwan are low due to the stagnant economy (which has plateaued since the 2000s but at a high level with a remarkable GDP per capita (PPP) equal to Sweden at $50,000 and higher than Japan). Keep in mind Taiwanese professionals are comparing Taiwanese cities to wages in Beijing and Shanghai.

    The difference between Taiwanese cities and Beijing/Shanghai is about 2x still but at the high end of finance, law, etc. there’s no comparison in terms of activity, growth and compensation.

    I had never actually heard about the 31 steps (or measures) until this blog post.

  278. Jayce says:

    OT: Russia as a global shitposter

    “Beyond the partisan issues, though, there’s a deeper danger in equating Russia and China. Think of it in these terms: Russia is 4chan, and China is Facebook. If you’re not familiar with 4chan, imagine the worst losers you knew in high school—not the nice, dopey stoners, but the rat-faced scumbags trying to take upskirt pictures—and then imagine them encouraging each other to be even worse people online. Like 4chan, Russia is all about chaos, mixed with a hearty dose of anti-Semitism and homophobia.”

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/10/russia-is-4chan-china-is-facebook/

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Hyperborean
  279. cvson8516 says:

    I have it on good authority that Thorfinnsson is in fact black. #BasedClaytonBigsby

  280. Bliss says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    [MORE]

    Watch this and weep:

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  281. anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Quite the jumbled argument and not up to your usual standard. The Iraq War was very expensive but affordable. Is that $6 trillion figure spread over 40 years considering interest on debt and veterans benefits? The worst years are past and during the worst year it cost less than 1% of GDP.

    It’s hard to believe that the Civil Rights movement would not have happened. And I think you really overstate the influence of Jews. It seemed to be foreshadowed even in George Kennan’s Long Telegram written in 1946. America is a big country and even 100 lost cities 50 years ago is like a natural disaster that blew past. Cities were rebuilt in the suburbs.

    39 out of 40 of the richest under 40 in one year in the list were startup founders. It seems innovation represents Jewish entrepreneurship rather than Sheldon Adelson’s Zionist lobbying hobby in old age after a career in entrepreneurship. And really what does even tens of thousands of payday loan shops amount to considering the size of the national economy? (And are payday loans enablers of a more stable society? It’s not like they are booze stores in poor neighborhoods which can only create more delinquency.)

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @iffen
  282. @anonymous

    I didn’t state that the Iraq War was unaffordable. I only stated its (estimated) cost. This is an example of the Jews squandering wealth.

    It’s perfectly believable that Civil Rights never would’ve happened without the Jews. The United States was the world’s premier country in the field of racism for centuries (since long before the founding). Then suddenly this somehow changed in the middle of the 20th century. Very odd to say the least.

    I don’t know if payday lending is worse than liquor selling (incidentally, in the former Russian Empire this was a traditional Jewish occupation), but it functions to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich while harming the poor by trapping them into cycles of debt dependency. It’s preying on the dumbest members of society and is morally disgusting. Anyone who works in the industry ought to hang himself.

    Startup=/=productive business for the national economy. I’ll go through the whole list later to give you my take on the businesses in question.

  283. Joach says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I completely disagree with your statement that the populace of Ukraine and Belarus don’t matter, and that only their territories are interesting, or that they are not or cannot be productive. Belarus certainly is a productive country, and Ukraine has the human capital necessary to grow with the ideal geopolitical and political climate. Poroshenko and svidomism will guarantee misery for years to come. You’re a strange kind of nationalist. I’d assume the population pyramid of Ukraine and Belarus are not radically different than the Russian one.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  284. utu says:
    @Bliss

    It is a common knowledge that Dumas, Pushkin and de Assis had African ancestry. However Shakespeare , Beethoven and Einstein African ancestry is only in your mind.

    Does Einstein’s and his mother’s Kartoffelnase indicate African ancestry? I would say that the top Nazi phrenologists would disagree but possibly Negro phrenologists like yourself made great improvements in the phrenology science since Hitler, so I might be wrong.

    In case of Einstein DNA testing should be easily possible. He has living descendants and his brain is somewhere in a jar with preserved DNA. Go for it. Howard University has Department of Genetics and Human Genetics. There are many rich Blacks who could fund it. If positive I am sure it would motivate thousands of Blacks to get into the theoretical physics. On average 10 Ph.D’s in physics are awarded annually to Blacks in last 40 years. Imagine what thousands of Black Einsteins will be able to achieve. Do not keep it to yourself. We all want to live in Wakanda.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Jayce
  285. Bliss says:
    @anonymous

    The 3 richest Americans today are: Bezos, Buffett and Gates. None of them is jewish.

    By far the most impactful billionaires in America today are Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, who are literally changing the world. Like Henry Ford and Steve Jobs did. None of these 4 billionaire immortals is/was jewish.

    On the other hand Jesus Christ and Albert Einstein were ethnic jews….

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  286. Yevardian says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Which I don’t. They’re demographically unviable, just as Transylvania is demographically lost to Hungary (though IIRC Hungarians never constituted a majority there anyway).

    I believe Magyars constituted the largest plurality there prior to the Ottoman invasions.

  287. Bliss says:
    @Jayce

    If you’re not familiar with 4chan, imagine the worst losers you knew in high school—not the nice, dopey stoners, but the rat-faced scumbags trying to take upskirt pictures—and then imagine them encouraging each other to be even worse people online.

    That’s the site that gave birth to the alt-right hater movement.

    With Islamism in retreat (thank you Putin and Trump) the biggest threat to the world now are the numerous evil trolls that were spawned by that site.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  288. @Bliss

    Impactful is subjective, though I agree with both of your impactful choices.

    Did you buy shares in Tesla yet?

    I can report my short positions are all in the black. :D

  289. Bliss says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Say hi to Confucius:

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Bliss
  290. Joach says:
    @Felix Keverich

    That’s good news, finally something to celebrate.

    For the first time since 2014, a majority of Ukrainians hold a positive view of Russia.

    More Ukrainians say they have a positive view of Russia than a year ago despite continuing conflicts between the two countries, according to a joint Russian-Ukrainian poll, while a majority of Russians say they continue to see Ukraine in a negative light.

    The Russians need to change their attitude, though. That’s not hard for the state media to accomplish if it so wishes. The disgust is understandable, having its origins in the openly hostile coup of 2014 and the explosion of Russophobia whipped up by NGOs and foreign-supported/funded public figures and media outlets. Hromadske TV is such an outlet, having among its co-founders the Afghan-Ukrainian Mustafa Nayyem.

    In 2010, Nayem was briefly detained by police officers, reportedly as a result of racial profiling for “persons of Caucasian appearance” (a common local term for people from the Caucasus). The following day, Nayem wrote an article in which described the events that led to his detention. He stated, “Xenophobia should not become the face of Ukrainian nationality” and requested the firing of one of the officers responsible.

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg. “Grants” are dispensed to Trotskyite Russophobes while nationalists are sidelined from the above and the population is slowly brainwashed. A few weeks ago I compared the likes/dislikes of the official coverage by RFE/RL (Ukrainian branch) of the Pride march in Kiev from 2015 to 2018. Without exception, the likes grew a few percentage points year after year and in 2018 (the 4th year of the event) the likes almost hit 50%.

    One of the commenters which were among the most liked said that it’s worse than Kiselyov. Poor souls, they don’t know what hit them. In 30 years the standard attitude of Ukrainians will be a strange mixture of Russophobia, antinationalism, homophilia and minority worship — unless it resumes integration with Russia.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  291. Bliss says:
    @utu

    It is a common knowledge that Dumas, Pushkin and de Assis had African ancestry. However Shakespeare , Beethoven and Einstein African ancestry is only in your mind.

    Photographs reveal Einstein’s part-african ancestry. Beethoven’s favorite portrait of himself plus numerous eyewitness descriptions of his appearance prove his african ancestry. Supported by the well recognized African creative genius in music.

    [MORE]

    Shakespeare’s part-african ancestry can be deduced not only from his portrait but also from:

    1. His empathetic portrayal of the black general Othello who was wronged by jealous white inferiors.

    2. The remarkable fact that so many of the greatest writers of diverse languages are of part-african ancestry.

    Shakespeare:

    The Shakespeare of Russia, Pushkin:

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AP
  292. @Jayce

    As the former security chief of a major cloud company put it privately, “Russians are the ultimate shitlords.

    I guess someone should tell pol/.

  293. The Ukraine, Bliss’ afrocentrism – now we just need Rosie’s feminism and we have all the worst topics in this comment section gathered.

    Now – how to merge this into a coherent narrative?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Dmitry
  294. Jayce says:
    @utu

    At this point it’d be more convenient if they’d just tell us which European historical figures weren’t actually black. Surely it’s gotta be a much shorter list.

  295. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    [MORE]

    More Confucius:

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Bliss
  296. @Daniel Chieh

    Well they were semi-troll posts.

    But I still stand by my analysis that Red America, the one represented by the south and the Midwest, is one that’s a natural ally for Russia.

    As we’ve discussed before, the southern gentry, while their bloodlines are preserved, have become regular SWPLs with a southern twist, which boils down to superficial stuff or faint vestiges of the past like the way they dress (the blondes with their dresses and heels for example) and their closed-off cliquish nature (Greek Life as an example). They typically live as cliques of varying percentages of the various cities in the South (very low but most numerous in Atlanta, highest in Charleston). Most of their tastes in food, music, vacation destinations, and careers are no different from what upper middle class white SWPLs in the rest of America, just friendlier, slightly better looking, and more cliquish.

    The rednecks, which are the white masses of the South, are probably equivalent to the vatniks of Russia. The biggest labels of their culture are NASCAR and pop country music, although the Southern gentry sometimes enjoy these to a much lesser extent but more so than SWPLs from the rest of the country. Your assessment about rednecks are correct, for the South.

    And no, I don’t hate the 2 things above (in fact I enjoy both), so none of that is meant in a condescending way.

    I feel that the Midwest is more likely to have hurrah patriots. Don’t really know much about the Midwest

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Daniel Chieh
  297. Eagle Eye says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russia should take a leaf out of China’s book and develop new high-tech special economic regions (SER) following China’s example. (China essentially set up several mini-Hong Kongs with much reduced regulation inside its own borders.)

    Kaliningrad, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok, Odessa and Sevastopol are obvious candidates.

    Russia’s SER’s would need to offer:

    (1) Solid property laws and individual liberty including right to bear arms based on traditional Anglo-American concepts.

    (2) A high degree of independence in the making and administration of laws, combined with a light touch in safeguarding Russia’s basic national interests (NEVER the same as covering up local corruption).

    (3) Stringent environmental safeguards to keep the environment attractive for high-caliber residents with families.

    (4) Real anti-trust law backed up by powerful, independent enforcement. No entity should be permitted to control more than 10% of any market.

    (5) Solid, high quality education system with early and deep exposure to Russian, English, Chinese and classical languages as well as rigorous STEM education in the Russian tradition with strict written tests. A HIGH-QUALITY EDUCATION SYSTEM BY ITSELF IS A MAJOR PULL FACTOR FOR ASPIRING FAMILIES.

    (6) Semi-independent nationality and immigration law, including ability to negotiate visa waivers with other countries, again based on Hong Kong precedents.

    (7) Exclusive reliance on private operators under long-term contracts to build and operate freeways, power stations, other infrastructure. Again, no operator gets more than 10% of the volume in any of those areas, and both vertical and horizontal cooperation among operators is strictly controlled.

    (8) Constitutional limits on all types of taxes.

    (9) No permanent public employees. All public positions are subject to sudden dismissal and replacement based on random drawings to avoid entrenchment.

    (10) Restrictive immigration policies. Immigrants must have worked and paid taxes for 7 years before they acquire permanent residence status, 12 years before they are eligible for naturalization.

    (11) Voting rights: active voting from 30, passive voting rights start at 35 conditional on military service or private-sector work and payment of taxes. Enhanced voting rights for those who have been married for at least 5 years with biological children.

    ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    , @Philip Owen
  298. @Eagle Eye

    This should be applied to Kaliningrad for sure. If wanna go shitlord, Crimea too.

    Vladivostok and Khabarovsk are too close to Asia to become special zones, unless you want these places to be majority Chinese/Korean.

  299. utu says:
    @Bliss

    Tell us what Negro features do you see in the Chandos portrait? It might be handy for us with a less keen eye than you to detect crypto Negros still hiding among us.

    What is the level of your conviction that Shakespeare was part Black? Is it a working hypothesis or a firm belief? Does your culture make a distinction between beliefs and facts? In other words can a belief be false? Or if all beliefs are true how do you resolve the conflict if two beliefs are inconsistent? Do you guys have a concept of truth and if so what is the epistemological process leading to establishment of truth. Is violence unavoidable when establishing the truth in your culture?

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Bliss
  300. AP says:
    @Bliss

    I posted it before and am doing so again. Hirohito:

    • Replies: @Bliss
  301. AP says:
    @Bliss

    Don’t forget Nazi propagandist Julius Streicher. Obviously of African descent, very evident when he grew out his beard:

    He also had the lowest IQ of those tested by the American psychologists. Clearly a victim of biased tests.

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @utu
  302. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    You got something against Captain America too?

    Marvel’s (and actually all comic books) ties to the Jewish community goes back much further than the 2,000′s, and was patriotically represented in no less the superhero than Captain America:

    Captain America was probably the first truly political superhero, taking a stance against Hitler and Nazism. The Jewish background of his creators, Jack Kirby (born Jacob Kurzberg) and Joe Simon (born Hymie Simon), directly influenced the character and the original plot of the Nazi-punching hero.

    http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/English/library/reading_corner/Pages/jewish_captain_america.aspx

    Among many superb comic book artists of the golden and silver age, Jack Kirby (a Jew) stood at the very top of the creative pyramid.

    But yes, the many superheroes that have Jewish ties or roots has grown quite extensively, and are reviewed here:

    https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/260853/everything-and-everyone-thats-jewish-in-the-new-avengers-movie

    And here:

    https://www.quora.com/Who-are-some-Jewish-superheroes-from-Marvel-and-DC-comics

    Jewish writers, artists and businessmen were instrumental in creating the American comic book industry.

  303. AP says:
    @AquariusAnon

    Interesting stuff.

    Non-urban Midwesterners are like your description of Southern rednecks, but better educated (schools are better in places like Ohio, Michigan, or Iowa than in Alabama), more USA-patriotic though some will fly confederate flags, quieter, and less violent. They eat a lot (though their food is more plain), listen to country music, are friendly and down-to-earth, like guns, and like NASCAR as do southern rednecks.

  304. Bliss says:
    @AP

    [MORE]

    Emperor Meiji:

  305. First article from Karlin I do approve.
    Although Russia does not need Ukraine. But most of the Ukrainians are off Russian Slavic descent so Karlin is right.

  306. @Thorfinnsson

    A very interesting read, Mr. Thorfinnsson. May I, as I sit in your class, be permitted to offer a few items for your consideration ?

    You say: “A country which is a sovereign currency issuer cannot default unless for some reason the government wants to.” Does the current threatened economic bankruptcy of Venezuela, Brazil, or Argentina conflict with your statement ? Or of Germany in the 1930’s ?

    Your additional statement is “But the point is there’s nothing inherently dangerous about government debt or deficits.” This appears to be in total disagreement with the situation in Greece. Total sovereignty is now exercised by outside financial interests. Greeks cannot fart without asking permission.

    I believe your writing does not apply to the economic system in the U.S. I see the US as not having a National currency. It is Federal Reserve Notes that circulate as a medium of exchange. They are commercial paper accepted on the credit of the privately owned Federal Reserve Board of Governors. [NOTICE: I did not say the Federal Reserve system.] They have the status of a legal tender for lawful money; i.e., a substitute for a National currency. This system can be crashed by the Federal Reserve at any time for their financial benefit, just as it was in the 1930’s. The Fed will be buying Treasury securities for pennies and demanding the US pay face value by selling national assets to the Fed at fire-sale prices—just like Greece.

    The Federal Reserve runs a Ponzi scheme. Every book-entry dollar created by deficit spending (Treasury security) represents an equal increase in principal of the National Debt. The obligation requires the principal PLUS the interest is to be paid when mature. The interest is never created; it does not exist. A contract that cannot be culminated is an act of fraud and is void upon its inception. The only way to procrastinate the collapse of the Ponzi scheme is to issue more debt (principal) to use to pay off the interest due from earlier debt. The growth in debt is exponential. Collapse is inherent when new debt is not accepted by the public. Ref. https://thedailycoin.org/2018/08/16/a-look-at-the-federal-reserve-through-a-different-lens/

    This appears to be the system utilized by the medieval Rothschild banks Benjamin Ginsberg describes in FATAL EMBRACE; JEWS AND THE STATE. Ben laments the repeated national economic calamity that followed—and the physical abuse, property seizure, and exile his clan received.

    Obviously this economic analysis does not reflect the disinformation trash distributed by the Federal Reserve.

    • Disagree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  307. Bliss says:
    @utu

    Anyone who says Shakespeare looks like a full blooded Englishman in that portrait is nuts. The balding pattern on the top, the bushy hair on the side, the flaring nostrils, the fullish lips, the yellowish complexion aren’t features you see on an English face. He looks like a quadroon.

    Combine that with his empathetic portrayal of Othello, the undeniable evidence of the highest creative genius in literature among writers of known African ancestry and it would be stupid to deny that Shakespeare was part-african.

    • Replies: @utu
  308. Patricus says:
    @DFH

    Jews probably had little to do with German scientific and technological advances. They were too small a minority. Germans continued mastery after the Jews were all gone.

    There is something about German culture that allows them to excel in these things. A few score professors, or even hundreds, do not make a manufacturing power. It requires infrastructure and certain widespread attitudes which are found in Germany.

  309. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    [MORE]

    Compare this portrait of a young Beethoven to that of his friend Bridgewater the violin prodigy (the Kreutzer Sonata was originally named after him). Bridgewater was a known mulatto:

    Beethoven:

    Bridgewater:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  310. Dissident says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin

    Question for A. Karlin:
    Wait, Thor, with this one comment of his, actually got you to reverse the position on “neoliberal domestic economics” that you had taken in your blog post? Or you were never serious about that statement in the first place? It would be unusual to see someone actually reverse a position that quickly.

  311. @AquariusAnon

    Well, they are going to be more sympathetic to conservative causes and countries that advertise them.

    I’m not sure about any other assumptions, a lot of them also make up the military industrial complex and would be interested in war in general – Lockheed Martin isn’t heavily associated with Atlanta and based out of Maryland for nothing. In being SWPL, a lot of them take up the usual fashionable positions, especially since its not like they’re going to be rooted in one location. Since I’ve known the real thing, the general SWPLization of the elite is pretty sad.

    I don’t know if rednecks make up the “white mass” of the South. Everyone’s pretty urbanized these days, which really does impact the mores and expectations. Its a subculture of sorts. I’d say honor culture, hunting, and certain down-to-earth personality to be more of the signifiers along with pretty heavy Southern Baptist influence. If pop country is going to be a signifier, well, I don’t really think it means much of anything. That’s really, really superficial.

    I think what rubs me the wrong way is that a lot of what you mention really does come off as oddly superficial and I think iffen can agree, those of us who really know the culture would pretty quickly that it does, or ought to, have a lot to do with guns, bibles, and at its best, brotherhood. At its worst, alcoholism, drugs, and some pretty unfortunate depravity of the human spirit.

    But at the end of the day, a very humanistic feel. Very local. You get stories like this woman I knew, who divorced her husband and then realized that she didn’t have a church to go to anymore, because there’s only one or two churches in those small towns! So she went to the black church and thought it was more fun. Or one of the elite, an elderly lady, who helped me when I needed a place to stay because she saw in her readings of the day “to provide shelter for strangers.” Or the man who became a close friend because one day I was trapped in the rain and he saw me, and said that I should have dinner with his family, because that’s what you do for guests. Or someone who saw a truck outside humming and knew immediately to tell me that it was a guy with a shotgun running backup. Or guys playing “hey cow” – you play by yelling Hey Cow at the animals, you get a point for each time one looks at you. What if they stampede and you die in the rush? You win(at the game, not at life). Girls riding horses under trees trying to catch apples in their teeth.

    The beautiful: elegance in dressage, the passion and refinement, the sense of righteousness and wrath and the general stability of informal systems. The ugly: meth use, babies abandoned in trailers, the infinite little variations of nasty things that can happen just for a few dollars more for alcohol, etc.

    That is what I know. NASCAR and pop music seems far away from that. So does foreign policy.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  312. Dissident says:
    @utu

    Look about Italians going ballistic that Columbus was one of their own[...]

    Might those sentiments of ethnic pride among Italians be what ultimately saves the remaining monuments in the West to Columbus from SJW anarchy? I wouldn’t be so quick to belittle them.

    This past Monday, October 8th, was Columbus Day in the United States. I wonder how many people made some sort of statement in celebration and support of the great explorer. Is this not an area where all of us who support Western civilization against the Cult-Marx/Globalist onslaught should stand united?

    • Replies: @utu
  313. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I think iffen can agree, those of us who really know the culture

    That confirms what I suspected about iffen.

    So, how widespread is this hater “alliance” between the KKK types like iffen and asian mongoloids in the South?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @iffen
  314. @Bliss

    Such a confused, small mind.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  315. Dissident says:
    @Felix Keverich

    the territories themselves are more interesting, than the aging, unproductive populace that inhabits them.

    Do you measure people’s value and worth only in terms of a materialistic metric such as productivity? I doubt I am the first to get that impression from your comments.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  316. @Joach

    In 30 years there will be only 15 million Ukrainians left. This is why their opinions do not matter. I actually took some time to study demographics.

    The Ukraine can be understood as the shittier version of Russia. Every possible malaise you see in Russian society is also present in the Ukraine, in a more advanced form. Whereas Russia had a “Putin recovery” during 2000s, the Ukraine never did, it just kept falling deeper into a hole. Still falling.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonFromTN
  317. Dissident says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Whatever else can be said about “Bliss”, from what I’ve seen of his posts so far, that he could be sufficiently mentally challenged to sincerely consider iffen a “KKK type” does not appear plausible to me. Thus, my already-formed suspicions that he is simply a troll have now been strengthened.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  318. @Dissident

    Your faith in humanity is refreshing.

    • LOL: Bliss
  319. Dissident says:
    @Colin Wright

    Here in the US, the national elites are very upset about this fact at the moment.

    If I have parsed your comment correctly, it sounds like you are convinced that the whole Trump as revolutionary figure opposing the elites meme is not just a contrived ploy to fool the Deplorable masses. I wonder what makes you so sure.

  320. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    In comparison, what has your cowardly, anonymous, sorry ass, loser self accomplished?

    I’ve exhibited the ability to hang with the upper echelon.

  321. @Mitleser

    Yakutia is neither landlocked nor particularly shitty.Yakutia is neither landlocked nor particularly shitty.

    It’s landlocked for 9 months out of 12 of the year. For the remaining 3 months, there are no road or railroads links to the mainland at all. As far as natural resources go, there’s very little oil. The only thing special about the place are the diamond mines, but you can’t really build an economy on mining diamonds. (See Africa.)

    As far as ‘shittiness’ goes — it’s hard to pick a more remote and inhospitable place on the globe.

  322. lauris71 says:
    @Bliss

    Germanic philosophy is bullshit

    Wouldn’t say so.
    Kant still casts a huge shadow over many XX century schools of thought.
    Frege single-handedly created analytic philosphy (now exclusively British and American brand).
    Wittgenstein probably created something large we even cannot fully understand yet.
    Plush there are Marx, Nietzsche, Husserl, Heidegger – their philosophy may have been shit but they have huge influence over contemporary thought – larger than any French or British philosopher of the same period I can think of (OK, Adam Smith probably qualifies).

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @DFH
  323. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    Confucius was obviously not chinese racially. The Chinese myths that his father was a “black god” or a “black emperor” is just another way of saying his father was a black man. Was this black man african or indian?

    [MORE]

    Here’s the Indian monk Bodhidharma who founded the Cha’n sect in China (Called Zen in Japan) and is described in their scriptures as “the black-faced bhikshu”. He also taught the non-violent martial arts to the Chinese which then spread to Japan, Korea etc, and is now practiced in most every country:

    And here’s another typical painting of Confucius:

    Interesting that the greatest of all east asians was a black man.

    • LOL: Dmitry
    • Replies: @DFH
    , @anon
  324. Meanwhile, delegations from Israel and the US are studying S-300 in Ukraine (do they have a more modern version than the Greek S-300 previously used for training by Israel?). The Ukrainians invited NATO representatives, told them specifics about how S-300 works and hosted drills with F-16 fighters.

  325. Dissident says:
    @Aslangeo

    Two names to add under the Russian painter category:
    Victor Borisov-Musatov ( Victor Elpidiforovich Borisov-Musatov; Ви́ктор Эльпидифо́рович Бори́сов-Муса́тов)

    (A particularly serene favorite of mine: Boy with a Dog, 1895)

    and
    Nicholas Roerich (Nikolai Konstantinovich Rerikh; Никола́й Константи́нович Ре́рих)

  326. Bliss says:
    @lauris71

    Frankly all european philosophy is a dead end. A complete waste of time. If colleges stopped awarding degrees in philosophy it would disappear and no one would miss it. For no one needs it. It serves no purpose and leads you nowhere.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  327. iffen says:
    @anonymous

    (And are payday loans enablers of a more stable society? It’s not like they are booze stores in poor neighborhoods which can only create more delinquency.)

    No, but they provide the money to buy the booze and dope.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  328. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    That’s just dumb. Blue collar people with steady employment history (that’s how they can borrow) are not all drunks who can’t show up to work obviously.

    • Replies: @iffen
  329. iffen says:
    @Hyperborean

    Now – how to merge this into a coherent narrative?

    We’re victims!

    Victims, I say!

    You ole meanie.

  330. Dissident says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The Jews need to be removed from America (and every other country).

    I’m afraid to ask where you would have all of us go… But if the answer is the Zionist State that calls itself ‘Israel’, then as an emphatically non-Zionist Jew, I have to ask: Why should the Palestinian Arabs have to be stuck with all of ((us))?

    The few good Jews like Ron Unz and Paul Gottfried don’t break the rule.

    So what would you do with them?

    ~~~ ~~~~
    I certainly agree that contemporary culture is “incredibly degenerate”.

    Going far back enough, though, is there a time that you (and others here) would consider Hollywood to have produced any wholesome or at least innocuous offerings?
    Any objections, for example, to a film such as Tom Sawyer: The Immortal Story of a Boy (1930) or Huckleberry Finn (1931)?

    Or an old-time radio production such as The Six Shooter (starred James Stewart as Britt Ponset)?

  331. iffen says:
    @anonymous

    Thor:

    harming the poor by trapping them into cycles of debt dependency.

    This is its essence. If you don’t understand this it means you are stupid. If you do understand and still support it, it means you are evil.

    I didn’t quote the first part of Thor’s sentence because as a general rule many practices, indeed one of the major functions of our economic system is to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  332. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    So, how widespread is this hater “alliance”

    I’ve already explained this to you. Most of the Asians and a good number of Hispanics will be on our side as honorary whites. Your side will be you and yours. Then who are you going to call?

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Talha
  333. @Dissident

    I think it’s the appropriate angle to consider since Karlin’s main argument in favor of absorbing Ukrainians is that it will improve the economy.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  334. Dissident says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    As far as my own consumption of culture goes, I happen to be a degenerate. I drink, do drugs, fornicate, etc. Woke up in another strange woman’s home this morning. Trying to reform. At least I don’t gamble, cheat, steal, or lie.

    How many people exhibit that degree of honesty and self-awareness? Would anyone dispute that it has to be respected?

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  335. @Spisarevski

    oh, I forgot that according to the plans everything will go on very smoothly and nicely when retaking that nuclear equipment.

    As everybody universally knows that everything goes according to the plans in war :)

  336. DFH says:
    @lauris71

    Plush there are Marx, Nietzsche, Husserl, Heidegger

    Not the philosophers I would have picked if I wanted to demonstrate that German philosophy wasn’t bullshit.
    I seriously doubt the influence of Husserl or Heidegger outside of Continental Philosophy departments, even in universities Foucault (sadly) probably has a lot of influence, more than either of those.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  337. @Spisarevski

    Not to worry. They are all “partners” of Putin after all:

    -Poroshenko is a “partner”.
    -USA is a “Western partner”.
    -Israel is a “strategic partner” and also “sacred” to our Prime Minister, who is rumored to have Jewish roots.

    The real question behind the deployment of S300 to Syria is not whether Israelis will be able to evade the system – they can’t. The real question is whether the Russians manning S300 will pull the trigger against Israeli planes.

    There is already S400 in Syria. It doesn’t engage Israeli planes.

  338. @Dissident

    Won’t ever happen. Just like drug addicts with their sob stories about the hard addict life, the purpose of this honesty is to preen about your own badassedness and ability to ‘keep it real’, not a true desire to change.

    • Replies: @DFH
  339. Mitleser says:
    @Dissident

    Why should the Palestinian Arabs have to be stuck with all of ((us))?

    Arabs can move to other Arabs.
    Or certain parts of EUrope.

  340. Barmaley says:

    The skilled citizens of now-Ukraine are almost gone already, and the remaining aged few still speak and think Russian. Who needs a ‘Shevchenkian’ humanitarian? How can one excel advanced calculus and ‘Ukrainian thousand-year history and language studies’ at once?

    • Replies: @AP
  341. DFH says:
    @anonymous coward

    That is a pretty accurate description of many of Thorfinnson’s comments

  342. neutral says:
    @Dissident

    I’m afraid to ask where you would have all of us go…

    The same place you sent the Philistines and Canaanites.

  343. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    then as an emphatically non-Zionist Jew,

    What’s it like being in a group that’s endangered and on the road to extinction?

    • Replies: @Dissident
  344. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    The Ukraine can be understood as the shittier version of Russia. Every possible malaise you see in Russian society is also present in the Ukraine, in a more advanced form.

    You are confusing “Donbas” for “Ukraine.”

    Whereas Russia had a “Putin recovery” during 2000s, the Ukraine never did, it just kept falling deeper into a hole. Still falling.

    11 straight quarters of GDP growth (3.8% last one), crime rate back down to 2013 level.

    Ukraine keeps falling only in the mind of someone that thinks that Ukraine keeps being in 2014-2015.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @EugeneGur
  345. AP says:
    @Barmaley

    The skilled citizens of now-Ukraine are almost gone already, and the remaining aged few still speak and think Russian.

    Yes, these missiles appeared by magic:

    https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/08/29/ukraine-tests-cruise-missile-can-it-hit-moscow/

    And this is a mirage:

    http://www.uadn.net/2018/06/21/lviv-starts-construction-of-160-million-it-park/

    • Replies: @Anon
  346. Respect says:

    Alexey Pushkov

    Russia invested $200 billion into the Ukrainian economy over 20 years, the US – $5 million into the “development of democracy.” It seems we didn’t invest correctly. An important lesson. – Alexey Pushkov, United Russia MP.

    These figures point to a few things :

    - the Ukranians are very silly people who can not add

    - the glitter of dollars is higher than the glitter of roubles

    - The russians don´t know very well how to make good investments .

    - The glitter of the 5 billon dollars was just the beguining thought the ukropians . They thougt that it would fall upon them a rain of euros ( fuck the EU , Nuland )

    - Greedy ukropians thought than rich europeans would give them then even MORE money that the poor russians ,they even thought that they DESERVED it

    - Greedy ukropians did not think that the EU people does NOT want them in , already fed up with parasitic polaks , baltics , rumanians ….

    - Ukropians have proved to be one of the more stupid countries of the world , they seem to celebrate to be down to 2000 dollars per capita year income , like Senegal , chanting slava ukraina !

    - Western europeans have realized the ill will of the USA regarding all Europe ( fuck the EU , Nuland )

    • Replies: @Anon
  347. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    What Ukraine needs are laws that encourage dual citizenship

    For that Ukrainian powers that be would need to think less in nationalist paradigms, and in a more practical manner.

  348. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Respect

    It should be noted where Ukrainian oligarchs stash their money, Russian oligarchs do the same by the way.

    Not in Kalmykia, not in Ekaterinburg, but in Jersey, in Cayman Islands, in Switzerland. And where there is money, there is love…

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  349. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Missiles are made by Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea too…

    And Western Ukraine’s proximity to Central Europe makes it possible for some industry to emerge, although your examples mostly centre around Lvov. The rest of the region is in deep shit.

    Also, how many planters of buckwheat does the agricultural superpower need? Tractors are getting automated…

    • Replies: @AP
  350. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    You are confusing “Donbas” for “Ukraine.”

    Donbas had the highest GDP of all Ukraine’s regions before the war. Donbas is much more valuable than Lvov dude. Ukraine is now forced to buy tons of coal from Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
  351. Dmitry says:
    @Bliss

    The Beethoven also invented “boogie-woogie” in the famous late piano sonata Sonata N° 32, second movement

    I remember first time I listen to this sonata, and I was saying “wtf is Beethoven doing”.

    It depends on the pianists’ interpretation a bit how much rhythm sounds like “boogie-woogie”.

    For example, Negro-haired pianist like Kissin, can access Beethoven’s African rhythms

    At 15:30

  352. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    President of the Ukrainian union of industrialists and entrepreneurs says much of Ukraine’s GDP is due to inflation, and Ukraine would need growth of at least 8% for Ukrainians to feel it.

    • Replies: @AP
  353. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    Notice, all commentators here have some kind of “dark twin” commentator, where if you average their two views, there is something sensible at the half-way point. This commentator is equivalent to the “shadow” of Jung’s theory of the unconscious.

    Our master Karlin’s evil twin, of course, Julia Ioffe , who is secretly lurking his blog.

    Felix’s evil twin, is AP.

    Thorfinnsson’s hidden twin – obviously Bliss.

    Talha’s twin – Greasy.

    In my case, I would like to say my hidden twin is fellow noble commentator like Gerard, Reinor Tor, Melanf, Felix, or German Reader, but in reality it is probably, lamentably, Utu.

    • LOL: iffen
  354. @wild strawberries

    Greece isn’t a sovereign currency issuer. It’s part of the Eurozone.

    The regional Federal Reserve banks are indeed privately owned, but the system is controlled by Congress. Notice how the President of the Board of Governors is nominated by the President.

    New money is created by the banks themselves, not the federal government. Though a federal budget deficit does tend to create new money.

    I am not a fan of the Jews but their role in finance is exaggerated. Of America’s five largest banks, only one has a Jewish CEO (Goldman Sachs). Three of them in fact have Irish CEOs.

    The United States was not under Jewish control when the Federal Reserve System was planned and formed. While representatives of Kuhn, Loeb, & Co were present at the Jekyll Island meeting, most of the representatives were from Morgan and Rockefeller.

  355. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    Other influential philosophers he neglected in the list are Hegel and Schopenhauer.

  356. @Felix Keverich

    My economic arguments are mainly a response to economistic criticisms.

    My main angle is that we are one people, whatever AP says.

    While I am not the world’s most hardcore Ukrainophile, it’s obvious that the human capital there is worth more than the territory.

  357. Dmitry says:

    If Karlin has time, I would recommend a future blog about falling trend of deaths in car accidents in Russia, because at the moment Varlamov is dominating the internet with this theme, lamenting this year’s car accident death rate, but without any long-term trends discussion. And if you try to mention balanced discussion about longterm trends under his blog, you will be ignored.

    Car fleet in Russia is updating quite rapidly, and as a result death rates falling. Meanwhile in Ukraine, by comparison, car fleet is only updating one and a half percent per year.*

    -
    * To paste from my earlier analysis.

    “I looked at car-fleet data for Ukraine, where the car fleet is perhaps the worst in Europe.

    In Ukraine, average car age is 20 years old, so most cars still without airbags even.

    For Ukraine, around ten thousand cars produced domestically, and 122 thousand cars are imported each year. Around 3/4 of imports are new cars, and 1/4 are second hand cars (with average age around 5 years). Total fleet size over 9,1 million. Proportion of cars updated each year in all types, only around 1,5%.”

  358. AP says:
    @Anon

    Missiles are made by Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea too…

    Yes. So?

    And Western Ukraine’s proximity to Central Europe makes it possible for some industry to emerge, although your examples mostly centre around Lvov. The rest of the region is in deep shit.

    Volyn oblast has also seen significant growth and development:

    http://uprom.info/en/news/economy/biznes/shvedska-kompaniya-skf-investuye-u-rozvitok-lutskogo-pidshipnikovogo-zavodu-blizko-120-mln-yevro/

    As Lviv becomes saturated newer plants in built in other regions.

    • Replies: @Anon
  359. @Anon

    Jersey, in Cayman Islands, in Switzerland

    Those are money laundering places, not money stashing places.

  360. @Dissident

    I’m not Palestinian. Their lot is unfortunate, but not my problem.

    Hollywood under the Hays Code was okay.

    Mark Twain is, as the SJWs say, problematic owing to his negrophilia.

    As for the rigtheous Jews, I’m fine with an exemption provided they’re prevented from reproducing.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  361. AP says:
    @Anon

    He represents the group of people who ran Ukraine into the ground in the 90s and later. If he doesn’t like what’s going on, Ukraine must be doing something right.

    • Replies: @Anon
  362. What’s striking is the complete absence of anything even remotely resembling human rights. Of course, if you follow the author’s logic, then all the non-Russian peoples of the Russian Federation should seceed and establish sovereign nation-states. Indeed, they should be forced to become independent inasmuch as they are not part of the “family” to be re-united. What’s also striking is the author’s beleif that none of what he proposes will ever happen.

  363. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Yes. So?

    All of these countries are complete shitholes, so is Ukraine.

    Volyn oblast has also seen significant growth and development

    Western Ukraine has the potential to become a manufacturing centre due to proximity to EU, and considerably lower wages than in countries of Central Europe.

    Although, Ukraine is far larger than the little strip of land that you are apparently very familiar with.

    And I have to ask again, how many planters buckwheat does the Ukraine need?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dmitry
  364. AP says:
    @Anon

    Donbas had the highest GDP of all Ukraine’s regions before the war.

    Sure. It inherited coal and steel and its politicians influenced the rest of the country, preventing other regions from developing. This has mercifully changed,

    This region also had the lowest birth rate (yet highest % of kids born to unwed mothers), highest HIV rate, lowest life expectancy, highest crime rate, etc. in Ukraine and in the East Slavic world. Ukrainians looked at Donbas and got an unrealistic idea of how bad Russia; Donbas provided the same function for Russia (i.e., most Ukrainian prostitutes in Moscow were from Donbas).

    Donbas is much more valuable than Lvov dude

    LOL, see above.

    • Replies: @Anon
  365. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Do you believe the people that run Ukraine now have a better idea of how to get Ukraine on track?

    By the way, the best years in terms of economy for Nezalezhnaya Ukraina were under Kuchma.

    • Replies: @AP
  366. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    most Ukrainian prostitutes in Moscow were from Donbas

    I hear from sex tourists that Lvov is not a bad destination. But Halychyna hoes are too ugly, so they don’t make it to Moscow.

    The soviet man that inhabited industrial hubs like Donbass lost his will to live, he resorted to drugs and got pozzed. Big deal!

    Ukrainians think that Russia is just as shit as their country, that has elements of denial and wishful thinking. Granted, Russia has been developing along a similar trajectory as Ukraine and did not provide anything to look up to.

    • Replies: @AP
  367. iffen says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If the medicine doesn’t work, give them a double dose.

  368. AP says:
    @Anon

    Yes. So?

    All of these countries are complete shitholes, so is Ukraine.

    Iran is nice, setting aside the fact hat it is a Muslim theocracy.

    Volyn oblast has also seen significant growth and development

    Western Ukraine has the potential to become a manufacturing centre due to proximity to EU, and considerably lower wages than in countries of Central Europe.

    It’s already happening.

    Although, Ukraine is far larger than the little strip of land that you are apparently very familiar with.

    Investment is happening east of Western Ukraine also. Vynnystia and Zhytomir, in central Ukraine, are improving also.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/business/german-conglomerate-bayer-opens-largest-seed-plant-in-ukraine.html

    German conglomerate Bayer opens largest seed plant in Ukraine

    I drove past this completed large plant in Zhytomir, which produces wires for Audi, BMW, etc:

    https://open4business.com.ua/ukraines-second-krombergschubert-plant-to-be-launched-in-zhytomyr-region-in-2016/

    Mercedes building a supply plant in Vynnytsia:

    http://uprom.info/en/news/cars/noviy-zavod-u-vinnitsi-postachalnik-kompaniyi-mercedes/

    ::::::::::::::

    Unlike you and the other clueless “Ukraine experts” who get their news from Russian nationalist sources, I have actually visited Ukraine multiple times.

    It is really unfortunate that what happened in 2014 did not occur 20 years earlier.

    But better late than never.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  369. Dmitry says:
    @Anon

    Ukraine’s desire to join the EU is objectively understandable, inductively, when they see all EU-joined Warsaw pact countries (Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria), are developing rapidly economically.

    In addition, former Soviet areas which joined the EU (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia), are also developing rapidly economically, and converging with (at least South) Western European levels.

    Counter-example, is success of Belarus and Russia. But unlike in Ukraine – in Belarus, there is ultra political stability, and in Russia, is always a beautiful, soft economic cushion of natural resource exports.

    While Ukraine, is now in the same position (post-Soviet, non-EU countries, without oil) like Georgia, Moldova and Armenia, and even slightly underperforming those. Although surely, they are a great success relative to Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

    • Replies: @Anon
  370. AP says:
    @Anon

    Do you believe the people that run Ukraine now have a better idea of how to get Ukraine on track?

    Couldn’t be worse. Ukraine lagged behind all other post-Soviet countries. So far results are better.

    By the way, the best years in terms of economy for Nezalezhnaya Ukraina were under Kuchma.

    Highest growth was under Yushchenko. It hit 12% one quarter. Ukraine’s highest post-Soviet per capita GDP was IIRC in 2007.

    But growth is now accelerating.

  371. AP says:
    @Anon

    most Ukrainian prostitutes in Moscow were from Donbas

    I hear from sex tourists that Lvov is not a bad destination.

    We already know the value of what you hear – nothing.

    Guys at the exile were complaining that locals in Lviv wouldn’t sleep with them. “Who do you think your are, white people?”

    Low HIV rate in Lviv relative to other regions in Ukraine suggests that there is much less of that in that there:

    Commenter Peter Akuleyev said it best:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/im-shocked-shocked-to-hear/?highlight=lviv#comment-757678

    “The Western Ukrainians are like Poles. Even despite decades of outright Soviet neglect and outright antagonism the level of culture in a place like Lwow (Lviv) far outstrips anything in Donetsk. I’ve spent significant time in both cities. Lwow felt like a Western city occupied by a foreign power. The people are fantastic, in a true conservative sense. They value their history, their land, their crafts, and they are a self-sufficient people. Donetsk is completely Soviet – deracinated, crappy industries, corrupt and crime ridden, and full of people who would emigrate to the West in a heart beat if they could. Even before the fighting Donetsk was a basket case like every other Russian and East Ukrainian city. If you want to get laid, go to Donetsk. The women have no morals, prostituting yourself is just what women do. In Lwow people still get married and value families. That alone explains why so many in the “manosphere” side with East Ukraine.”

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  372. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Iran is nice, setting aside the fact hat it is a Muslim theocracy.

    My friend goes to Iran often, and he says something else.

    I would not claim I know much about economy of Ukraine, and do not attempt to make any statements about it, unlike you. Also I do not criticise your Ukrainian propaganda sources. You still have not answered the expert I brought out and his claims.

    Unlike you and the other clueless “Ukraine experts” who get their news from Russian nationalist sources, I have actually visited Ukraine multiple times.

    It is really unfortunate that what happened in 2014 did not occur 20 years earlier.

    If you think Ukraine is on the brink of some economic miracle, why don’t you work there? It must be Eldorado.

    But reality is it isn’t.

    Also, few factories being built after a trade deal, don’t signify any massive industrialisation, the GDP growth does not show it.

  373. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    I’m not sure this claim (relating to West-East divide in opposition to Russia, for disposition to exporting prostitutes) is correct to reality.

    If you visit West Europe, like Ireland (although prostitution made illegal in Ireland last year), and see which East Europe (EU) countries have been famous demographics for exporting prostitutes there.

  374. @Felix Keverich

    An American rule of holes comes to mind: if you are in one, stop digging. Ukraine never stopped, even accelerated digging after 2013. That made its malaise irreversible. Too bad, it could have been a country, maybe not first-rate, but still decent.

    • Replies: @AP
  375. There seems to be a curious connection between social malaise and formerly great heavy industrial areas.

    From reading descriptions of Donbass, Wallonia, Slovak regions, US Rust Belt, etc. there seems to be greater concentration of social disorder than their nearby counterparts not based on coal and steel.

    But the Ruhr region, which has been able to continue being successful, there seems to be no significant social malaise.

    But Czechia, which has historically been a successful heavy industrial area, doesn’t seem to have problems – so still successful or managed to transition to light industry or other sectors?

    In Poland – I would expect Silesia to be a candidate, but (excepting Warsaw) the east is the poorer than the west.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mitleser
  376. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    Ukraine’s desire to join the EU is objectively understandable, inductively, when they see all EU-joined Warsaw pact countries (Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria), are developing rapidly economically.

    In addition, former Soviet areas which joined the EU (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia), are also developing rapidly economically, and converging with (at least South) Western European levels.

    Baltic state especially get a lot of funding from the EU, so did Poland and the Czech Republic. Structural funds are a major attraction for countries like Ukraine. The Great Khalyava God, known in the Anglosphere as Gibsmedat.

    The problem is EU lost its mojo, and this money stream may soon end. Not to mention, Ukraine, still, 5 years after Maidan, is not a candidate for membership.

    The EU will likely not spread eastwards any time soon.

    • Agree: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Respect
  377. @Spisarevski

    Was it S-300 that Ukraine used to shoot down its first civilian aircraft: Siberia airlines flight 1812, Tu-154 coming from Tel Aviv over Black sea on Oct 4, 2001 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/12/russia.israel, and many other places on the web)?

  378. anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    You went from arguing the borrowers are drunks and drug users to now being consumers trapped in spending and debt dependency cycles so it looks like you have no idea what you are talking about and just BSing along the way.

    Low income people who have a stable job history are generally the borrowers at payday places. Stuff happens and these people need to borrow. That’s not necessarily becoming stuck in a debt dependency cycle. The loan could be a cushion.

    • Replies: @iffen
  379. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Ukraruina is against Russia , against the EU and against her own population

    Ukraruina only serves the USA militarism who is bleeding Ukraruina for its own benefit .

    Ukraruina is in ruins , and the USA will end paying a very high price for its treason to Europe to all Europe , eastern and western ( fuck the EU ,said Nuland , with friends like the US ….)

    • Replies: @AP
  380. @Bliss

    There was a joke about philosophy in Soviet times:
    What is philosophy? It’s when you are trying to catch an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room.
    What is Marxist philosophy? It’s when you are trying to catch an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there.
    What is Leninist philosophy? It’s when you are trying to catch an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there and periodically exclaiming “gotcha!”

    • Replies: @Bliss
  381. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    For Czech Republic, I don’t think it was very difficult economic transition path.

    Small country, surrounded by two of the world’s wealthiest countries on two sides (South – Austria, and West – Germany), and in a free-trading, convergence bloc with these adjoining states.

    Easy transition for them to become one of the world’s top tourist destinations, due to architecture inheritance and geographical location.

    In addition, Czech Republic, historically heavily Germanized in culture, with German as a dominant, and at times even official, language.

    • Replies: @Anon
  382. Respect says:
    @Anon

    The EU may split because of the precipitated admission of so many ex-soviets .

    England is already out ( remember the antipolak campaign they did in Brexit ? ) and in Italy , France , Spain , Greece and Portugal many people want to get out of the EU since the ” soviets ” of the East joined . Easteners get all the subventions , are warmongerers , greedy , and never belonged to the south european culture .

    Wait for the European elections in spring , there will be a high anti EU vote .

    Ukraina joining EU ? too late , never , ever .

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Dmitry
    , @Mitleser
  383. @Respect

    As the popular wisdom has it:
    - When is Ukraine going to join the EU?
    - Right after Turkey.
    - When is Turkey going to join the EU?
    - Never.

  384. Anatoly Karlin is out right bonkers.
    The 2 Ukrainian provinces that rebelled are still part of Ukraine.
    Who is “Putler” ?
    “Shows up again briefly in 2023, this time with a wife and newborn kid: Alisa Maratovna and Raisa Viktorichna.” time machine much ?
    What a lot of nonsense, even worse than normal!
    We , ordinary people in the western part of Europe has no flavor for a war with Russia. Why ? Not becauese the irrationel hegemon (US) tells us.
    It is widely acknowleded that Kiev is corrupt beyond belief, no more EU and IMF funds.
    We trade with Russia at our leisure, the US is a spent force, and that is the only thing keeping Ukraine alive. Real politik!
    Karlin, you need to drop your US infected antennas, the world is moving.

    What happens in Ukraine will be a foreplay to the dissolution of the US. All by itself. The fascist regime ‘aint that different from the fascist one in Washington. Or London. Or Paris. Or Montreal.

    • Replies: @Jayce
  385. Dmitry says:
    @Respect

    Only post-Soviet countries in the EU are Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Total population of these three countries combined is around 6 million (out of 510 million population of the EU).

  386. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    See how much love each other western ukros and poles , see the masacres of Volinya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

    ( by the way , you seem to be an expert on hookers )

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Bliss
  387. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    My main angle is that we are one people, whatever AP says.

    The big difference between you and AP is that he’s made countless (quality and reasonable) comments substantiating his point of view. You, on the other hand are not only not the ‘most hardcore Ukrainophile’, but are also extremely remiss in being a Russophile too, never making a case for your outdated and silly beliefs (and they are beliefs, not facts). When are you finally going to let it all hang out, Anatoly? :-)

  388. Mitleser says:
    @Hyperborean

    But the Ruhr region, which has been able to continue being successful, there seems to be no significant social malaise.

    ##

    The Ruhr region has to deal with Islamisation of the population.

    Share of Muslim grade schoolers.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @RadicalCenter
  389. Jayce says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    Or Montreal.

    Damn, Atalante Québec carried out a successful coup while I wasn’t paying attention?

  390. Dmitry says:
    @Mitleser

    What’s the current rate of secularization of these children though, as they grow up?

    I could imagine, especially as teenagers, that there could be a good proportion of secularization (and/or Christianization) as they will be surrounded by the prevailing German culture.

    Germany’s government could probably increase this rate further, if it was actively trying. A secularized generation, would be far less problematic.

  391. Mitleser says:
    @Respect

    You are underestimating how pro-EU the elites and population are.
    EUrope is more likely to federalise into an European superstate than to fall apart.
    Would Ukropstan want to join USSR 2.0? Probably.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  392. EugeneGur says:
    @AP

    11 straight quarters of GDP growth (3.8% last one), crime rate back down to 2013 level.

    What fantasy land do you live in? The population is running away as fast as it can in all directions from “growing” economy, right? Crime is a daily occurrence, and just because it is unpunished and mostly unreported by the mainstream media (except for the most prominent cases like the killing of that cook in Kiev by an ATO veteran in plain daylight in Kiev), it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Ukraine keeps falling only in the mind of someone that thinks that Ukraine keeps being in 2014-2015.

    In some ways, it’s worse, for it keeps progressing on its chosen fascist path banning books, movies, TV channels. Not so long ago, we were told all the time: “Nobody in Ukraine prohibits speaking Russian”. Well, no they do – Rada just approved the first version of a law banning the use the Russian language in public and introducing the office of language inspectors who would prosecute the offenders. People immediately named these inspectors “Sprechenfurers” – which means, people know deep down where this is coming from.

    If this is not falling I don’t know what is.

    • Replies: @AP
  393. Dmitry says:
    @Mitleser

    Netherlands and Denmark, could always leave the EU – if the UK becomes successful outside of EU.

    Perhaps UK, Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, could create as an alternative to EU, some kind of elite, wealthy, “North sea club” (I should trademark this name and proposal).

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @RadicalCenter
  394. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    German , this horrible gutural tongue made to talk to the horses , is spoken only by 90 million people in the world ( Ger, Aus , Swiss )

    Germany plus Austria and Swiss only 475.000 km2 .

    Philosophy of the blockheads ? of the obssesive compulsive germans ? , what ? ,you mean heresies , elucubrations ?

    Their are good engineers , right , but experts in wars , in genocides , there have a good history of mercenaries in all the wars of history .

    Merkel will destroy the EU , germans end up destroying everything

    As individuals they have good and nice people ,of course , like anywhere , but as a country Germany is a disgrace .

    • LOL: Spisarevski
  395. utu says:
    @Dissident

    I did not belittle Italians. I appreciate Italians for being less likely to fall into the PC trap. Even Italian mafia got involved in reducing inflow of Africans by sending their people to Libya when Itailan government was not willing to deal with the problem.. I used the example of Columbus and Italians to show some empathy, not that he deserves it, to my Negro interlocutor to put his obsession that Einstein or Shakespeare had Negro blood.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  396. @Anatoly Karlin

    My economic arguments are mainly a response to economistic criticisms.

    My main angle is that we are one people, whatever AP says.

    We are one people…

    it is obvious…

    and to hell with minor issues, such as paying pensions to 12 million Ukrainians. Pensions will sort out themselves.

  397. @Dmitry

    Germany’s government could probably increase this rate further, if it was actively trying.

    German politicians are doing the opposite, they’re throwing taxpayers’ money at dubious Islamic lobby groups (notably Ditib which is pretty much an agency of the Turkish state) and constantly telling us how wonderful Islam is.
    German culture and identity is also very weak, unable to set clear limits, and unattractive to assimilate into.
    If it were different and if we were only talking about the already established Turks, problems would probably be manageable (though bad enough, given the nutcase ethnic and Islamic chauvinism of many Turks, and the horribly low birthrate of ethnic Germans)…but due to Merkel’s insane mass immigration policy, the situation has now become a lot worse than a few years ago.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  398. Mitleser says:
    @Dmitry

    The Netherlands won’t leave despite their Eurosceptics.
    They are firmly integrated.

    Denmark is less integrated and more able to leave, but prefers working with their fellow Nordics.

    Another North Sea-centric EFTA is not going to happen.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  399. utu says:
    @Bliss

    Your methodology is as follows:

    From the emotive statement “Anyone who says Shakespeare looks like a full blooded Englishman in that portrait is nuts. ”

    you conclude

    “the undeniable evidence of the highest creative genius in literature among writers of known African ancestry”

    Thank you. You have answer my question about Black epistemology. The distinction between beliefs and facts is fuzzy in your culture. Anything can become a fact if there is a strong belief. Beliefs take precedence.

  400. @Michael Kenny

    Human rights are fake and gay.

    Anyone who even uses the term should be sent to a concentration camp.

  401. Christo says:

    Ukranian overlord usurpers and their nazzy stooge followers are fighting dirty They recently assainated the main leader of Donbass and have killed many others. They were sniping police and neutral public in the US financed usurpation.

    Only way for Russia to win back the Ukraine is to fight as dirty as their enemies in the Ukraine are. Get rid of some of the higher leaders in that fake government (Yanukovych and his clan) aand some of the murderous fake nazzy leaders. They tried to kill Putin but shot down the wrong plane.

    Russia is playing “nice” , too nice , if they don’t start using Israeli vs Iran tactics they are going to just lose.

    Oh , as to nice, It would be good for Russia, to attempt to get the Ukrainian fake nazzys to realize the real Nazzys were fighting Russia becuase of Communism not becuase of some uber/unter race junk. Ukrainians nazzies need to be taught the Russias of today are not the Commies of 30+ years ago, and that Ukrainians and Russians are of the same ethnicity , then those nazzys can go fight the real enemies of both Russians/ Ukrainians , The you know who.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Philip Owen
  402. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    In addition, Czech Republic, historically heavily Germanized in culture, with German as a dominant, and at times even official, language.

    The average Czech does not know German today but many are learning it. And it can give you an advantage on the job market.

  403. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Christo

    Ukranian overlord usurpers and their nazzy stooge followers are fighting dirty They recently assainated the main leader of Donbass and have killed many others.

    Strelkov says Zakharchenko had many internal enemies.

    Russia is playing “nice” , too nice , if they don’t start using Israeli vs Iran tactics they are going to just lose.

    Military arsenals in Ukraine are blowing up constantly. Ukraine blames sabotage by Putin.

    Ukrainians nazzies need to be taught the Russias of today are not the Commies of 30+ years ago, and that Ukrainians and Russians are of the same ethnicity

    Large part of NS types are actually Russian speakers and use Ukrainian only to give a pledge, as a sort of sacral language.

    • Replies: @Christo
    , @EugeneGur
  404. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    In the USSR, Muslims were generally not at all impossible to manage populations, due to government supported secularization process.

    After the breakup of the USSR, there were some independent regions (Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan), which were more successful in continuing modernization, than parts of Russian Federation (where government secularization was not longer fashionable, even as people themselves continued secularizing by their own).

    If you look at Chechen Republic under Kadyrov, who each year continues imposing more and more Islamist policies.

    Meanwhile in Muslim population of Azerbaijan, where despite all their rebellion to Rusification
    , -modernization in other ways continues and result looks like:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AP
  405. Dmitry says:
    @Mitleser

    Netherlands won’t leave despite their

    What happens if Geert Wilders becomes their leader?

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  406. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    We already know the value of what you hear – nothing.

    You are fucking dumb and don’t realise what sources I have…

    https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/50-ottenkov-lvova-stolitsa-zapadnoj-ukrainy-stanovitsja-mahnitom-dlja-seks-turizma-2472069.html

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @AnonFromTN
    , @AP
  407. Dmitry says:
    @Anon

    Well maybe devaluation of Turkish currency this year, will reduce the level of sex tourism in Lvov.

    • Replies: @Anon
  408. Christo says:
    @Anon

    Thank you for the reply. I did make one error, the (Yanukovych and his clan) should have been Yatsenyuk and his clan). Get all those crazy names mixed up but pictures don’t lie, particularly profile pictures LOL , IYKWIM

  409. @Dmitry

    In the USSR, Muslims were generally not at all impossible to manage populations, due to government supported secularization process.

    Sure, but the Soviet Union could afford to be more repressive than “liberal” Western democracies; and it continued the anti-religious traditions of the old militant left. The modern left (or what passes as left) in Europe is primarily multiculturalist and “antiracist”, therefore friendly to Islam (apart from some weird factions which are fervently pro-Israel…but many lefties are both Islamophile and pro-Zionist).
    German society is also incapable of exerting pressure of any kind on minorities, because many Germans think there’s some duty to atone for Nazism through total xenophilia (which is heavily promoted by all manner of dubious NGOs and organizations, with the support of the state…in 2017 104 billion Euros of taxpayer’s money were handed over to organizations of “civil society” supposedly working against far right radicalization). I always laugh when foreign Germanophobes go on about how the EU today is Germany’s 4th Reich or whatever; in reality the federal republic is an anti-German state.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  410. AP says:
    @EugeneGur

    What fantasy land do you live in? The population is running away as fast as it can in all directions from “growing” economy, right?

    A guy who probably never was in Ukraine explains to someone who was about a “fantasy land.”

    Like an American explaining to someone in Russia how poor Russia is, barely surviving sanctions.

    You must think Poland’s economy never grew either because so many people left :-)

    Crime is a daily occurrence, and just because it is unpunished and mostly unreported by the mainstream media (except for the most prominent cases like the killing of that cook in Kiev by an ATO veteran in plain daylight in Kiev), it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Karlin posted Ukraine’s crime stats earlier. It is down to 2013 level. Is spent as coupler weeks in Ukrane in 2017. No problems with crime.

    Not so long ago, we were told all the time: “Nobody in Ukraine prohibits speaking Russian”. Well, no they do – Rada just approved the first version of a law banning the use the Russian language in public and introducing the office of language inspectors who would prosecute the offenders.

    You are a true believer in fairytales.

    Draft, not yet signed into law, Looks similar to Quebec’s laws:

    [MORE]

    Culture – posters, exhibitions, Museum exhibitions should be held and executed in the Ukrainian language. The use of words in another language is permitted with mandatory redundancy in Ukrainian transcription. If cultural events are held by people who do not speak the Ukrainian language required translation of their speeches into Ukrainian. Performances in foreign languages in state or municipal theaters should be accompanied by subtitles in the Ukrainian language. How to implement it in practice, the bill is not specified. Movies should also appear in the Ukrainian language. If the film has a replica in foreign languages, they must be subtitrovannoy or dubbed in Ukrainian. Their number should not exceed 15% of the total duration of all replicas in the film. The cinemas will allow screening of foreign films in the original language, but the number of such films in the cinema should not exceed 10% of the total number of movies per month.

    Health – to work and maintain medical documentation on the Ukrainian language will oblige medical workers of state and communal establishments of health protection. To provide medical care to the patient will be in other languages in addition to Ukrainian, if requested by the patient.
    Domestic sphere after the adoption of the bill of enterprises and organizations of all forms of ownership, working with clients and consumers to conduct services in the Ukrainian language. This rule also applies to online shopping and e-Commerce-directories. And the service in another language is possible only at the request of the customers. Any marking will also have become available in the Ukrainian language, and in a font not less than that used in the original language.
    Procedure all procedural documents will be delivered to the court must be in the Ukrainian language. In the process, use a different language, subject to the availability of an interpreter. Any professional legal assistance should be provided in the Ukrainian language.

    Media – the Ukrainian language is proposed to make mandatory for all media. Transfer in other languages are duplicated on the Ukrainian language. Broadcaster is obliged to provide simultaneous translation into the Ukrainian language for those who speak another language. The print media are obliged to publish in Ukrainian, but have the right to go into other languages, provided that the content is identical to the original Ukrainian. The electronic media should have a page in the Ukrainian language, which should be the default as a start.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  411. EugeneGur says:
    @Anon

    Strelkov says Zakharchenko had many internal enemies.

    Strelkov, unfortunately, has lately been saying a lot of stupid things. Zakharchenko undoubtedly had enemies inside – most popular people do – but nobody wanted him dead nearly as much as the Ukrainian nationalists.

    Ukraine blames sabotage by Putin.

    Ukraine blames everything on Putin including rain and snow.

    Large part of NS types are actually Russian speakers

    So what? This is just one of many paradoxes of the Ukrainian nationalism. For they are still Ukrainian nationalists or, rather, Ukrainian Nazis.

    • Replies: @Anon
  412. AP says:
    @Anon

    Just look at Kiev in ruins :-)

    Donetsk, OTOH, looks rather bleak:

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mikhail
  413. AP says:
    @Anon

    See how much love each other western ukros and poles , see the masacres of Volinya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

    Are you similarly concerned about German tanks running amok in Europe?

    ( by the way , you seem to be an expert on hookers )

    Whatever gave you that idea?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  414. @German_reader

    104 billion Euros

    Correction: I think it was 104,5 million Euros in 2017. Still bad enough.

  415. @Anon

    That AP personage is not a Ukrainian, but a Ukie. No sources of info or reality itself would convince it: it is a “true believer” (naturally, from afar – those who live in Ukraine can only be Ukies when they have no brains to speak of, or when their brains are totally screwed). Ukies would vehemently deny that two times two equals four. Ukies would claim that racially pure Ukrainians are superior to everybody else, and therefore for them two times two equals at least five, possibly even more.

    • Replies: @AP
  416. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    Well maybe devaluation of Turkish currency this year, will reduce the level of sex tourism in Lvov.

    These are not poor Turks in my estimation, they come from Istanbul and big cities. So who knows? But Matt Forney was there and wrote about it, so…

  417. AP says:
    @Anon

    You are fucking dumb and don’t realise what sources I have…

    https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/50-ottenkov-lvova-stolitsa-zapadnoj-ukrainy-stanovitsja-mahnitom-dlja-seks-turizma-2472069.html

    LOL, you depend on a pro-Russian news source to learn about a place you’ve never been to. No wonder you repeat all kinds of nonsense.

    You can youtube Lviv streets and be surprised by not seeing tons of Turks there.

    Again, low HIV rate in Lviv contradicts your claims.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mikhail
  418. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Donetsk, OTOH, looks rather bleak

    Not really…

  419. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Are you similarly concerned about German tanks running amok in Europe?

    I don’t see Germans erecting statues to Hitler. But I see numb nuts erecting statues to Bandera in Halychyna.

    Do you realise how the public in Poland or Slovakia views this shit?

  420. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You are the guy who lives in TN and says amazing things like no US auto factories in America when there is one near your house…and then tries to explain something about Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  421. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Was there a couple of years ago. Very nice place. They love Ukrainians and consider Nagorno-Karabakh to be their “Crimea.”

  422. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    you depend on a pro-Russian news source to learn about a place you’ve never been to.

    To you the source is pro-Russian. And that’s all you fucking have. Attack the source instead of arguing with the message. How convenient!

    Only thing is, the source is .ua. There aren’t any a priori pro-russian sources in Ukraine. So don’t try fucking with me here.

    Matt Forney has been to Lvov by the way… LOL

    If you use a condom, you seriously reduce the risk of infection. Not to mention HIV in FSU is a junky problem, not an STD. So hardly an argument.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Gerard2
  423. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    An American rule of holes comes to mind: if you are in one, stop digging

    Kind of like when you try to explain what is happening in Ukraine :-)

    • Replies: @Anon
  424. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @EugeneGur

    Ukrnazis though are mostly battalions owned by local oligarchs, private armies of Avakov and Kolomoysky. And they would dissipate together with their retarded ideology if left alone.

  425. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Last I heard, people in Kiev don’t have hot water, last Lvov was covered with garbage, and military storages make fireworks, the latest near Chernigov, also 7 million Ukrainians are forced to seek life abroad.

    You wanna tell us the country is converging with the West?

    • Replies: @AP
  426. There seems to be some kind of crisis between Hungary and Ukraine.

    We need reiner tor to tell us what’s behind this.

    • Replies: @AP
  427. EugeneGur says:
    @AP

    Draft, not yet signed into law

    Any doubt it will be? None whatever – if there is a new low to be reached, the Ukrainian “patriots”‘ll sure reach it.

    Looks similar to Quebec’s laws:

    Oh, in this case, it must be all right. Fist, Quebec is not a country; it is a province, and the law regulates the use of the language in that province, not seeks to impose it on the entire country. Second, their law, although excessive in some points, is nowhere nearly as stupid as the Ukrainian version. It does not in any way bans the use of other languages in the public space.

    A guy who probably never was in Ukraine explains to someone who was about a “fantasy land.”

    If Ukraine intends to commit suicide, which it clearly does, I don’t have any objection. I’ve always considered it an artificial construct. However, this concerns me personally, for I was born in that unfortunate land. I regret that it fell pray to all sorts of demagogues and scumbags. How someone, if he is neither, could defend what’s been done to the country, is beyond me.

  428. AP says:
    @Anon

    you depend on a pro-Russian news source to learn about a place you’ve never been to.
    To you the source is pro-Russian.

    And that’s all you fucking have. Attack the source instead of arguing with the message. How convenient!

    Well, I have my own eyes. I was there in 2017 and did not see any obvious sex tourism going on. The source you posted is a notorious pro-Russian one from Ukraine (yes, Ukriane is not North Korea and it does have such sources).

    There aren’t any a priori pro-russian sources in Ukraine.

    LOL, and so once again you demonstrate your cluelessness.

    Matt Forney has been to Lvov by the way… LOL

    And this is what he said:

    https://mattforney.com/dating-ukrainian-women/

    Ukrainian women are easy to meet and hard to lay.

    In many ways, Ukraine reminds me of the Philippines, and Lviv reminded me of Davao in particular: an extremely conservative city full of approachable, cute girls who make you wait. If you’re expecting one-night stands, prepare to be disappointed, because you likely won’t be getting any action until date number three at the earliest.

    The only girls who will sleep with you on the first night are prostitutes.

    Yes, this goes for Tinder, too, at least in Lviv. In Hungary and America, you go on Tinder to find a girl who will sleep with you on the first date. In Ukraine, you go on Tinder to find a girl who will kiss you on the first date (more on that later).

    Ukrainian girls’ sexual reticence is a product of both their traditionalist culture (in Lviv, church attendance is somewhere between 85 to 90 percent) and their country’s collapsing economy. Due to Ukraine’s increasing poverty, Ukrainian women are unwilling to give themselves over in bed without something substantive in exchange: either a relationship in the case of normal girls, or money in the case of whores.

    ::::::::::::

    Never heard of the guy before, but he seems to be more accurate than are you and your silly Russian nationalist sources.

    • Replies: @Anon
  429. Mitleser says:
    @Dmitry

    Wilders does neither want this job nor would he get it with his one-man-party.

  430. EugeneGur says:

    Draft, not yet signed into law

    Any doubt it will be? None whatever – if there is a new low to be reached, the Ukrainian “patriots”‘ are sure to reach it.

    Looks similar to Quebec’s laws:

    Oh, in this case, it must be all right. Fist, Quebec is not a country; it is a province, and the law regulates the use of the language in that province, not seeks to impose it on the entire country. Second, their law, although excessive in some points, is nowhere nearly as stupid as the Ukrainian version. It does not in any way bans the use of other languages in the public space.

    A guy who probably never was in Ukraine explains to someone who was about a “fantasy land.”

    If Ukraine intends to commit suicide, which it clearly does, I don’t have any objection. I’ve always considered it an artificial construct. However, this concerns me personally, for I have connection to that unfortunate land. I regret that it fell pray to all sorts of demagogues and scumbags. How someone, if he is neither, could defend what’s been done to the country, is beyond me.

  431. AP says:
    @Anon

    Last I heard, people in Kiev don’t have hot water,

    1/3 of Kiev was without hot water for 6 months.

    According to RT, 1/3 of Russia never has hot water:

    https://www.rt.com/news/russia-city-utilities-hot-water-indoor-plumbing-251/

    Russia’s Federal Statistics Service reported last year that more than a third of all Russians have no hot water and more than a fifth have no running water at all in their homes.

    last Lvov was covered with garbage,

    Yeah look at all the garbage covering the city:

    Thanks for demonstrating what your opinions are worth :-)

  432. AP says:
    @German_reader

    Hungary is objecting to Ukraine’s language laws* and blocking NATO meetings in retaliation. The latest scandal is that the Hungarian consul in the border region was caught on video violating Ukrainian laws by giving Hungarian passports to ethnic Hungarians in the border regions, and telling the people not to report it to the Ukrainian authorities. The consul was expelled and Hungary retaliated by expelling a Ukrainian diplomat. I can’t help but wonder if Putin has something on Orban, to get him to do this stuff. Reiner’s take would be interesting.

    *Ukraine had Hungarian-only school where the kids, living in Hungarian villages near the border, graduated with no knowledge of the Ukrainian language. They could not function outside their villages or would have to move to Hungary. Ukraine’s new laws allowed Hungarian in grade school but mandated that half the school be taught in Ukrainian in secondary school.

  433. @AP

    Did he really say this?

    There are in fact three automobile assembly plants in Tennessee! General Motors Spring Hill Manufacturing, Nissan Smyrna, and Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant.

    12 million cars are made in America every single year.

    • Replies: @AP
  434. AP says:

    Meanwhile, Ukraine is now having its own Orthodox Church, separate from Moscow, recognized by the Patriarch of Constantinople:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/orthodox/constantinople_patriarchy/73003/

    Ukraine keeps winning :-)

  435. edNels says:
    @Beckow

    This commenter makes a nice sensible observation: among the rest of breezy gobbldygook.

    2. The value of all those high-IQ, entrepreneur, heavily-credentialed people is way overstated in most discussions (Unz suffers from this a lot). They are not that valuable, actually most are probably a net drain on a society due to their inflated self-worth. Ukraine might even be better of with a smaller, less ‘elite‘, down-to-earth population.

    It should be expanded upon in its own article far more important than pointless handwringing about that ”s-hole” of a hodgepodge country, that doesn’t fit in. That is with the stipulation that what is good for the goose, … what goes on around will come back…

    Now that everything is already invented and Ai will soon be in charge, there won’t even be any need of the phony front men that used to hold the place and ”humanize” or wtf, to add plausible deniability to the onward march of tech tyranny. What is needed there will be ”down to earth” peasants who will throw rocks at the drones… not those who are a ” net drain on a society due to their inflated self-worth.”

    Entrepreneur no less! Isn’t that French Charlie? Why do the self anointed still cling to that silly word anyway didn’t they have a English one to use? Something phony when they break loose with the Frog words… FuFu to the Max, Russians famous for the French ostentation too of course from the Westernization campaigns of yore…

    Go sell pencils or apples Frencophile bums What countries need and don’t appreciate ever are the down to earth doers of the work. nobody will remember the Faces of the Entrepreneurs, who sprang up out of nowhere somehow, with Tech that was top secret…developed behind closed laboratories in Universities with oodles of money mana… Look at these faces as deer inteh headlights as to what to do or say… pressure… shouldn’t opened up pandora’s box maybe.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  436. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    He is really that dumb.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/donbass-or-death/#comment-2499199

    “Isn’t it curious that only Japanese (Toyota), Korean (Kia), and German (VW) cars are now assembled in the US, whereas “American” cars are now assembled in Mexico? ”

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/donbass-or-death/#comment-2499610

    “Everybody assembles in Mexico, but very few assemble in the US. There are no American car makers among these few. I have VW Tiguan assembled in Mexico and did not buy VW Atlas assembled right here in TN because it is too big for my taste.”

    The moron lives next to US auto plants and writes that.

    About Ukraine, far way from him, he is even more clueless.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  437. @edNels

    Now that everything is already invented and Ai will soon be in charge

    are you high?

  438. OT:

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/10/09/kevin-mccarthy-introducing-bill-fully-fund-border-wall-midterm-immigration-referendum/

    Exclusive — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy Introducing Bill to Fully Fund Border Wall, Making Midterm Immigration Referendum

    GOP no longer the stupid party? It seems the steel cage match over Kavanaugh has fundamentally changed the party. It’s premature to get our hopes up, but maybe they finally will deliver what we sent them to Washington to do.

    This shows that even if we don’t share their concerns, perhaps there’s some merit to delivering on the priorities of traditional Republicans. Evangelicals for instance are nearly one quarter of the entire American electorate. Oligarchs fund our party, so maybe cutting their taxes isn’t so bad. In the past they refused to accept our concerns, but that now seems to be changing as the Never Trumpers are coming to accept our man.

    Even the pathetic Erick Erickson has said he is likely to vote for Trump in 2020. Kavanaugh was specifically his reason. George W. Bush of all people worked the phones for Kavanaugh and Trump, calling Susan Collins three times. So those of us who bitterly criticized Trump for working with the Establishment were wrong all along.

    Incidentally, Trump is now polling something like 40% with hispanics and Asians. If we can stabilize that level and follow Trump with Kris Kobach, it stands to reason that we can in fact save our country.

  439. Agent76 says:

    May 15, 2017 Ukraine: US-Installed Fascist Rule in Europe’s Heartland

    Will Donetsk Rejoin Russia?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-us-installed-fascist-rule-in-europes-heartland-will-donetsk-rejoin-russia/5590150

    Sep 9, 2016 US-funded Ukrainian army is terrorizing civilians

    Russell Bentley is a former US marine, that now fights for the Donbass, Eastern Ukraine, against the US-funded Ukrainian army.

  440. @Eagle Eye

    Much of this has happened. Kaliningrad and Vladivostock have special zones for processing imports. Good places to pack coffee for example. Kalingrad assembles German cars such as BMWs.

    The Federal Antimonopoly Service has moved from a Cinderella to an increasingly powerful economic tool.

    There is considerable private investment being proposed in basic infrastructure such as roads.

  441. @Bliss

    “Islamism in retreat”?? I wish.

    Not in soon-to-be muslim countries England, Germany, Italy, France, Sweden, Norway, the Benelux countries, Austria, and Greece, nor in major muslim countries Turkey and Indonesia.

  442. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    Meanwhile, Ukraine is now having its own Orthodox Church, separate from Moscow, recognized by the Patriarch of Constantinople:

    yay! The church created on the east coast of America, now lead by somebody who has worked for the CIA…has got “independence” thanks to blackmail on corruption by the US and the US-led orchestration of anti-Russian policies by the Greek state ( “coincidentally” have occured at the same time the sack of shit Geoff Pyatt, Ukrainian Amabassador during the time of Maidan, has been sent there)

    [MORE]

    It’s an illegal move you dipshit…….Orthodox Church is administered completely different to the Catholic Church you idiot

  443. @AP

    While he is incorrect, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He is factually incorrect, but perhaps directionally correct. There has been a trend for many years now of shifting automobile production for the North American market to Mexico, a country which rightfully should not have any assembly plants (or any other factories).

    Fortunately, the new trade agreement with Mexico will nip this in the bud. Now at least 40% of cars must be assembled by workers making at least $16 an hour–meaning Americans and Canadians. Thank you Trump, Ross, Lightizer, and Navarro.

  444. @Dmitry

    Demographically, it will soon be too late for the UK, thus too late for the UK to be a viable partner or friend to nonMuslim countries. Same for the Netherlands.

    Not sure that any country in that region will escape Islamization except MAYBE Denmark, and not even them if they don’t start having some damn children already.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  445. @Dmitry

    There is no clear, confident German culture to surround the Turkish and other alien settlers. The Germans will convert to Islam before enough of the invaders’ children ever leave Islam or become sufficiently secularized and tolerant.

  446. @Mitleser

    Will Nordrhein-Westfalen be majority Muslim two generations from now?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Mitleser
  447. Gerard2 says:
    @Anon

    [MORE]

    To you the source is pro-Russian. And that’s all you fucking have. Attack the source instead of arguing with the message. How convenient!

    He’s not attacking the source…this fantasist fucktard doesn’t speak Ukrainian, sure as f*ck doesn’t read Ukrainian news and isn’t “Ukrainian” in any relevant sense

    Also extremely amusing to see this messed in the head scumbag act as if 6 months with no hot water , with winter approaching, for 30% of the population of the richest and biggest city…is no problem…..it’s just an attention-whore troll with extreme psychiatric problems

    As for the HIV….plenty of prostitutes from Ivano-Frankivsk/Lvov have gone to work in the Donbass,Kiev, Kharkov over the last 20 years
    the HIV rate in Lvov and the rest of western Ukraine is actually extremely high when you consider the lack of industry and the relative scarcity of the population in western Ukraine

  448. Gerard2 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    [MORE]

    I never suggested this, but it makes some sense. I don’t know if the Putler government is still offering immigrants cash plus other goodies if they move to Russia? It looks like frogman Deperdieu’s honeymoon period in Russia has ended:

    Amusing to see a repressed paedophile as yourself using the immature term of “Putler”
    As for the use of immigrants, even as a cluelessly informed Banderite trying to make the case for a fake nation….this is really useless by yourself. “Ukrainians” and Russians are the same people you twerp.

    Read Karlin’s blog or Russia coverage and you will know how absurd it is to claim otherwise :

    A “Ukrainian” called Chepiga is accused of murdering another “Ukrainian” ( Skripal), with the whole cased being constantly linked to the case of another “Ukrainian” (Litvinenko) which itself is based on the fantasies of some Hollywood BS involving some Russian character ( who nearly always has a “Ukrainian” name)

    This follows on from another clueless Karlin post about “Fraud” in the Governors election in Primorye where the “Ukrainian” governor beat the “Ukrainian” KPRF candidate in a close and disputed election that has now been annulled…..with the “Ukrainian” Governor now being replaced by another “Ukrainian” governor who was running Amur and also Sakhalin before!

    This done under the watch of a President from Saint Petersburg that has been run by 2 “Ukrainian” Governors over the last 15 years, and have their football team top of the Russian Premier League, coached by , yet again….another Ukrainian

    “Ukraine” on the other hand is run by Gruzians, Americans, Canadians, Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Jews , with is revolutions orchestrated bu the US but using an Afghan guy as a figurehead….with it’s richest man in the country being a Muslim…and is currently experiencing a collapsed economy, crime, decay, extreme health and infrastructure problems and extreme stupidity

  449. Agent76 says:

    25.12. 2015 NATO: Seeking Russia’s Destruction Since 1949

    [MORE]

    Baker told Gorbachev: “Look, if you remove your [300,000] troops [from east Germany] and allow unification of Germany in NATO, NATO will not expand one inch to the east.”

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/12/25/nato-seeking-russia-destruction-since-1949.html

    Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With US

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  450. Talha says:
    @RadicalCenter

    In a democracy you can do anything. Check out how based Slovakia is – I think they have the flag at this point:
    “The predominantly Christian country of Slovakia passed a law on Nov. 30 that effectively bans Islam as an officially recognized religion, which also blocks Islam from receiving any state subsidies for its schools, reported Reuters.”
    “‘We must do everything we can so that no mosque is built in the future,’ said Danko.”

    http://orthochristian.com/99370.html

    Deus Vult!!!

    I wonder what this means though, does it just mean that Islam has just too small a presence for them to care about or that they can do things like shut down mosques because it is not a recognized religion and thus illegal…?

    Peace.

  451. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Come on AP ! , tell us how is the hookers market in Ukropia , of course you are an expert .

  452. Mitleser says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Maybe.

    Erdogan did open his newest mosque there for a good reason.
    It is a Turkish stronghold in Germany.

    2077: Europe after the second Völkerwanderung

    https://www.amazon.de/2077-Europa-nach-zweiten-Völkerwanderung/dp/3000601384/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1538575605&sr=1-1&keywords=2077

  453. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Meanwhile, Ukraine is now having its own Orthodox Church, separate from Moscow, recognized by the Patriarch of Constantinople:

    Hopefully they will get more recognition than that, or they will be partially recognised like the OCA. Also, a Church cannot give autocephaly to an uncanonical Church because there is not link. And also a Church that put an anathema can lift anathema.

    Constantinople is doing whatever it wishes in Ukraine to the detriment of Church canons…

  454. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    What constitutes a pro-Russian source? Vesti-UA was raided. Channel 112 and NEWSONE are being hounded for saying Ukraine has a civil war.

    Like I said, anything with a domain .ua cannot be a priori pro-Russian. It is virtually impossible.

    • Replies: @AP
  455. Russia’s deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov is a pretty cool guy:

    https://www.ft.com/content/66073924-cbd9-11e8-b276-b9069bde0956

    Mr Ryabkov said Moscow would not be swayed by Dutch, British and US claims that its agents had also sought to hack into the computer network of The Hague-based Office for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons as it investigated the attack on Mr Skripal.

    “If some believe that this makes an impression on Russia and somehow causes Russia to hesitate, then that is a very wrong conclusion. On the contrary, a consolidated effort to pressurise Russia only diminishes chances of any real engagement towards resolution,” he said.

    Mr Ryabkov also brushed aside suggestions that Russia’s reputation had taken a damaging hit in the west over the Skripal affair.

    “We do not believe that the broader west . . . are friends with us. Rather, we see the west as an adversary that acts to undermine Russia’s positions and Russia’s perspective for normal development,” he said. “So why should we care so much about our standing among adversaries?

  456. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Another one of your so what comments. Within the past few years, Donetsk has been militarily attacked by the Kiev regime, with Kiev not having had the same fate.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Anon
  457. @AP

    Have fun being recognized by a historical relic with a few hundred ageing parishioners.

  458. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    LOL, you depend on a pro-Russian news source to learn about a place you’ve never been to. No wonder you repeat all kinds of nonsense.

    Pretty rich, given your reliance on the Ukrainian nationalist/anti-Russian leaning The Day.

  459. @Christo

    Russia lost because it played dirty. Playing dirty is a short term strategy by those made desperate by having nothing left to lose. It is rarely successful.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  460. @Mikhail

    The Russian attack on Donetsk was an attack on Kiev.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  461. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    Bullshit:

    The Russian attack on Donetsk was an attack on Kiev.

    The Donbass situated rebels are overwhelmingly from the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, with the majority of that grouping being from Donbass. These forces haven’t recklessly bombed Donetsk in the manner of the Kiev regime.

    Never minding that Kiev hasn’t been militarily attacked.

  462. UPDATE

    Was very busy today, mostly doing a few last necessary bureaucratic tasks related to the new job. I think I’ll soon be able to resume blogging more normally.

    To the guy who expressed surprise that I agreed with Thorfinnsson’s anti-neoliberalism comment: I am familiar with many of the criticisms of pure neoliberalism (I have read List’s National System cover to cover, most of Ha-Joon Chang, etc). And I agree with most of them, especially as pertains to trade policy. It was also just a quality comment. To clarify, I mainly call myself a neoliberal for two purposes: (1) To trigger sovoks; (2) Less flippantly, because there are many areas in which Russia really does need more neoliberalism (I have commented on this before, but see Ali Choudhury’s comment for some examples).

  463. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    Bullshit:

    Russia lost because it played dirty. Playing dirty is a short term strategy by those made desperate by having nothing left to lose. It is rarely successful.

    They regained Crimea on account of the ultra-nationalist stupidity that got the upper hand in Kiev. Russian action in Crimea doesn’t seem any less cleaner than what has happened in Kosovo and northern Cyprus.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  464. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yeah, he’s such a ‘nobody’ that Kyril rushed over and privately met with him in Istanbul very recently. Rumor has it that he (Kyril) got his pampers filled after the meeting. :-)

    BTW, don’t miss reading comment #401. A reply would be nice, but not really expected (you usually crap out at this stage too!). :-)

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  465. @Agent76

    Russia is only surrounded if its intentions are anti-democractic and nationalist.

  466. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Comment #479 was meant as a reply for this comment.

  467. @Mikhail

    Rather ignoramic comparison – neither northern Cyprus is part of Turkey nor Kosovo is part of Albania.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  468. @Mr. Hack

    I addressed that on numerous occasions (including just a couple of weeks back in the comments to another Ukraine post).

    But at the end of the day if enough Ukrainians insist on larping as discount Poles, well there are limits to what Russia can do about it – that is, after all, what this post is about – but then they should stop claiming any part in the medieval Rus legacy (as AP loves telling Serbs to stop pretending they wuz Slavs) and stop beseeching Russia to give them any further gibsmedats (admittedly a futile expectation, since a love of halyava is one of the more regrettable Russian traits).

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr. Hack
  469. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It is disappointing, that you did not join the “dark side”, neither yet wearing English shoes or displaying a portrait of the great, Augusto Pinochet on the workdesk.

  470. Dmitry says:

    We are preparing already for Kanye, as President of the United States 2024?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  471. M Edward says:

    To Russia (and Ukraine) with LOVE ….,
    Kiev was the capitol of the Rus. The Rus were Swedish Viking who settled there.
    So really, Swedes are the original Russians. Not the Slavs.
    Just sayin’

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  472. AP says:
    @Anon

    Like I said, anything with a domain .ua cannot be a priori pro-Russian. It is virtually impossible.

    Spoken by the same gullible moron who has been led to believe that Lviv is covered in garbage or is a sex tourism destination, etc.

    • Replies: @Anon
  473. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mikhail

    Kiev experienced a winter of hobo camp. The hobos were squatting there until the summer. The clearing of the Maidan was really funny, there are still videos out there of it.

  474. @Dmitry

    I am not a fan of this choice, as amusing as it would be.

    In 2024 we should elect Kris Kobach, who is almost certain to be Governor of Kansas soon.

    Kobach has been the best politician in the country in this century at fighting immigration. He’s also a top man on schemes to suppress Democratic voters.

    Here you can see a scheme cooked about by Kobach (and Bannon) to manipulate the 2020 Census in order to disenfranchise Democrats: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/11/smoking-gun-white-house-finally-admits-bannon-and-kobach-were-racist-minds-behind

    Kobach is also the author of hardline anti-immigrant laws that have been adopted by many red states.

    Kobach also has a good background. Harvard, Oxford, and Yale. Studied under Samuel Huntington. Married (to his original wife) with five biological children. Owns a farm.

    Here is his campaign website: https://kriskobach.com

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Dmitry
  475. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Spoken by the same gullible moron who has been led to believe that Lviv is covered in garbage or is a sex tourism destination, etc.

    Can you prove Lvov is not a magnet of sex tourism? Or is your only argument calling my link pro-Russian? The latter is kind of lame you know… I have evidence, you don’t have evidence to the contrary.

    Also, Lvov was covered by garbage last year…

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81

    Are you going to deny this ever happened? Can you imagine this happening in any decent European city? I can’t even imagine this happening in contemporary Russia. Tell me again how good Lvov is.

    • Replies: @AP
  476. Dmitry says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I’m no expert, but there is a possibility the situation will not be so apocalyptic for the UK.

    Currently, UK is still pretty nice and successful, even if many problems building for the future.

    However, what proportion in current generation, for example, of teenage Muslim girls in the UK are rebelling against their fathers, removing hijab, watching anime and becoming otakus?

    And how will the rate of their secularization react to economic growth?

    Obviously would help to stop immigration from Muslim countries and to block Saudi Arabia from building mosques all over, to replace them with “Harry Potter reading centers” and craft beer festivals. But if you begin with this attitude “everything is ruined”, then it seems quite pessimistic and to block pressure for solving the problem.

    -

    Alina Zagitova could be equally, future Muslim women in the globally hikikomori society which is coming into existence.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Dissident
  477. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Solz was right. Russia shouldn’t have let Ukraine go.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mikhail
  478. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Paid for by, the Kommittee to elect Kris Kobach…I kid. :D

    Kobach also has a good background. Harvard, Oxford, and Yale. Studied under Samuel Huntington. Married (to his original wife) with five biological children. Owns a farm.

    That’s a solid male archetype right there – much needed. Of course people will hate on him just for those things you mentioned – without even taking into account any of his political views – but that’s the crazy world we live in where normalcy in the public sphere is a liability politically.

    Peace.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  479. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    discount Poles

    LOL

    Although Rus does play a role in the formation of what we call Ukrainians. It is the absorption of Western Rus’ into Poland and Lithuania. It is this many centuries of polonisation that created a creole population that formed the basis of what nationalists synthesised into a Ukrainian nation.

    I’m pretty sure AP would wholeheartedly agree with my formulation. From what I can gather, AP is a living representative of this process.

    https://insomniacresurrected.com/2018/10/11/how-i-would-write-ukrainian-history/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  480. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    There’s some kind of comic spirit of history though.

    Trump is President – so how will the muse of history push it further next time?

    Perhaps you could be right though, and American presidential path to ultimate comedy will follow Hegelian structure of synthesis/antithesis. So antithesis of Trump – some boring President for eight antithetical years – before then.. Kanye West/Kim Kardashian tandemocracy for the next 48 years.

  481. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I addressed that on numerous occasions (including just a couple of weeks back in the comments to another Ukraine post).

    You addressed exactly just what, Karlin? Was it the same type of reply as you’re making here, where you’re actually not addressing anything at all? :-)

    Who’s larping as ‘discount Poles anyway? Your imagination is growing by the day.

    they should stop claiming any part in the medieval Rus legacy (as AP loves telling Serbs to stop pretending they wuz Slavs)

    I don’t know what any discussion with Serbs that AP might have had has anything to do with Ukraine’s ability to proclaim primacy in the contest for Rus legacy? Read your reply to me again, I think that you’re starting to fall apart (you’re not making much sense).

    • Replies: @Anon
  482. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Solz was right. Russia shouldn’t have let Ukraine go.

    Which Russia? Ukraine was in the works for more than 100 years. It politically emerged when the Tsar fell, it was supported by the Bolsheviks, and when the tricolore was raised over the Kremlin on 25 December 1991, it was already too late.

    What you can criticise the Russian Federation is that it never had a coherent strategy when it came to Ukraine.

  483. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    HORY SHIT! I FOUND A UKRAINIAN LANGUAGE SOURCE ABOUT SEX TOURISM IN LVOV> HEUREKA!

    Must be some Kremlin sabotage…

    Anyway, I guess AP was in Lvov with his wife, so he had no time to notice.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonFromTN
  484. @Dmitry

    Currently, UK is still pretty nice and successful

    Britain has the worst Muslims in Europe, iirc Razib Khan had several posts about surveys a few years ago which showed how terrible Pakistanis in Britain are, a lot worse than Turks in Germany and even Arabs in France. Really high levels of extreme views. Also lots of extreme criminal behaviour…one just has to think about something like the Rotherham scandal (which wasn’t a unique occurrence, the same seems to have happened in many other English towns and is probably still happening), and the absurd levels of criminality and hostility to the host population this implies.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @LondonBob
  485. Vojkan says:

    Mr. Karlin, I’m glad for you if your employers pay you for getting it all wrong, though I would have a problem with self-respect in your place, but you should loook at yourself in a mirror and wonder if it’s worth it.

  486. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    But this terrible population, is more likely in the proletarian areas, god has forgotten.

    What are the Muslim women like, from more educated, or bourgeois families and backgrounds? Where bourgeois segment of a population go first, the rest of society will follow in two or three generations later.

    -

    Perhaps it’s quite likely Alina Zagitova, is showing us the future Muslim girl of late-21st century, after Saudi Arabia can no longer afford to build mosques everywhere, and technology converts the world population into Japanese hikikomori.

    The most famous Islamic sportswoman in world today, who fills her Moscow apartment with Amiibo figurines and a giant mouse.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  487. AP says:
    @Anon

    Spoken by the same gullible moron who has been led to believe that Lviv is covered in garbage or is a sex tourism destination, etc.

    Can you prove Lvov is not a magnet of sex tourism?

    Can you prove you are not a camel?

    You yourself posted about Matt Foley visiting the city, and he himself said that Lviv girls are not easy (On tinder in the USA one gets laid in Hungary or the USA on the first date, in Lviv you get a kiss) High marriage rate, low HIV rates, speak for themselves.

    You are a gullible fool. You are as gullible as some American who has never been to Russia, claiming Russia has descended into poverty because some Russian liberal blogger said so.

    Also, Lvov was covered by garbage last year

    There were piles of garbage on the city outskirts, not evident to most residents, because the mayor had a conflict with the president and couldn’t get the garbage moved out of the region. One sees much more garbage in Manhattan than one saw in Lviv during the crisis. Lviv kept the city mostly clean, large piles built up outside the city. There was even a fire and some city workers died.

    Unlike Lviv, which organized itself decently, Naples’ garbage crisis really involved trash all over the city streets:

    If you were a less gullible fool, you might have wondered why Russian media that you listen to didn’t show garbage in the city but on the outskirts, outside khrushchevky or in fields..

    But you are a gullible fool who believes the city was covered in garbage :-)

    And that conservative Lviv is a magnet for sex tourism :-)

    What other nonsense was fed into your little head by the clever Russians?

    • Replies: @Anon
  488. @Dmitry

    Is that giant mouse the result of some strange Soviet experiment? I can’t believe such things actually exist.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Talha
  489. AP says:
    @Anon

    LOL, you can also find through google “Minsk is the Capital of Sex Tourism.”

    And some moron, somewhere, would believe it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Gerard2
  490. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Naples’ garbage crisis

    I know you live in the US but here Naples is commonly known as SHITHOLE! I have friends, who live near there, they are Ukrainians from Kiev by the way.

    In what kind of Central American bananistan does the trash not get taken out because the president quarrels with local big boss?

    • Replies: @AP
  491. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    ability to proclaim primacy in the contest for Rus legacy

    Ukraine would then have to also proclaim unity with Russia and Belarus… Having any claims to primacy in the legacy of Rus, and simultaneously adopting a culture based on a peasant Polish based creole makes little sense.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  492. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Maybe Minsk is a capital of sex tourism, I really don’t care. You brought up hookers in Donetsk and proclaimed undying love for Lvov.

  493. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Well Soviet scientific experiments in Novosibirsk Institute of Genetics, created already the domesticated fox and mink. Now (the fox) is already a fashionable pet for export.

  494. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russia is certainly a Great Power, but it doesn’t appear to have what it takes to win a serious confrontation with the West if it ever came to that.

    As for Ukraine, Ukrainians were never considered Great Russians. The hope appears to have been to transform them into Great Russians through universal literacy and several generations of assimilation. In this regard, it would be similar to Hungarians saying “We could have turned the Slovaks and Ruthenians into Hungarians if only our Magyarization policy in those territories had more time!”

    Transylvanian Romanians would have probably been harder for Hungary to assimilate and turn into Hungarians (Magyarize) due to their different religion, though.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  495. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anon

    simultaneously adopting a culture based on a peasant Polish based creole makes little sense.

    Sure. as soon as Russia joins Ukraine and sheds it culture based on it s subservience to the Mongolian Horde, and sheds all of the German, French, and Finish accretions to its language. Deal?

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  496. Talha says:
    @German_reader

    It’s a chinchilla.

    Peace.

  497. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anon

    As if Rus represented a nation in any true sense in the 9th – 12 th centuries. You Russophiles have been either drinking too much stoli or smoking too much dope. There was no united country during this period. No unified language, no unified architecture, no unified military, no unified foreign policy, no unified tax system. The only thing that unified Rus was the incessant warring nature of 12 -14 separate princedoms. It was a loose conglomerate of separate states, never really unified. It had the inklings of a new nationality, but it never coalesced, and it’s too late now to go back in time and try:

    Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall (1204) and all the King’s horses and all of the king’s men (Karlin, Keverich, Gerard 2) couldn’t put Humpty back together again.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Gerard2
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  498. Mitleser says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Russia is certainly a Great Power, but it doesn’t appear to have what it takes to win a serious confrontation with the West if it ever came to that.

    It is not about winning a serious confrontation.
    It is about not losing or at least ensuring that the other side loses too.

  499. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    [MORE]

    haha! Classic deflection and lies you idiot.

    It was ( and still is) a catastrophic problem with the rubbish you idiot. If the mayor of Lvov were to come forward as a Presidential candidate then numerous more people in Ukraine could die ( from laughter) …western Ukrainians as a whole don’t seem to have a chance of anyone wanting them to become President of Ukraine

    Also worth noting this shithole was embarrassingly boycotted by every team at the Euro 2012 tournament. A big team like France stayed in Donetsk, Sweden stayed in Kiev only because every game they played was there….in addition this years European Cup final was a flop with Kiev hosting it

    why Russian media that you listen to didn’t show garbage in the city but on the outskirts

    errr…WTF is “in the city” you idiot. Where people live..i.e the city, not the historic city of a couple of streets centre you disingenuous dipshit. It’s like claiming in a London rubbish collection crisis that because the tourist areas like Saint Paul’s Cathedral and Pall Mall are clean then there is no gigantic problem

    One sees much more garbage in Manhattan than one saw in Lviv during the crisi

    s

    .again a stupid , time wasting lie…with you pretending asw if you have actually tracked the rubbish catastrophe in Lvov…but you haven’t…you have only regurgitating North American Badneratard blogs BS on this topic and plaigirising them as your own

    But you are a gullible fool who believes the city was covered in garbage

    covered in rats AND garbage…is that better you POS?

    And that conservative Lviv is a magnet for sex tourism

    Much more in Kiev of course, where plenty of people in Lvov have fled to over the last two decades ( and plenty have gone job seeking in Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov,Donbass and so on) because the Lvov prostitutes will go where the more people are, the more cosmopolitan the place…..but in terms of proportion (in terms of tourism Lvov gets abysmal numbers, and even that is only from Russian visitors) the sex tourism in Lvov is astranomically high you inbred imbecile

  500. Dissident says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I think what rubs me the wrong way is that a lot of what you mention really does come off as oddly superficial and I think iffen can agree, those of us who really know the culture would pretty quickly that it does, or ought to, have a lot to do with guns, bibles, and at its best, brotherhood. At its worst, alcoholism, drugs, and some pretty unfortunate depravity of the human spirit.

    I must say, Mr. Chieh, that I found this entire post of yours to be of remarkably high quality. (I selected the above paragraph as the best choice for a compact, representative excerpt.) Your writing was clear, easy as well as enjoyable to read and comprehend, concise, uncluttered and poignant. I found it to exhibit intelligence, wisdom, understanding, compassion, discipline, and moderation. I wonder how much writing you do beyond posting comments here at Unz Review. If this post was representative, this is an area where you clearly possess talent and ability.

    • Agree: Talha, iffen
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Talha
  501. Gerard2 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Bizarre…Ukraine isn’t a country , doesn’t have any actual heroes ( unless you count sadist loser scumbag, turncoat idiots as Bandera ,Chikatilo,Shukheyevich and Mazepa), doesn’t have it’s own language

    all the people Ukrainians revere are also revered by Russians…same things with what they read, listen to, laugh over, decorate, babushkas are uniquely the same as in Russia and nowhere else in the planet, architecture, swearing,

    [MORE]

    They are the same people and same nation as Russians you cretin

    here again before Karlin cuts it: [AK: You know, there's a very easy way for you to avoid being cut. Drop the gratutious, especially scatalogical, insults]

    A “Ukrainian” called Chepiga is accused of murdering another “Ukrainian” ( Skripal), with the whole cased being constantly linked to the case of another “Ukrainian” (Litvinenko) which itself is based on the fantasies of some Hollywood BS involving some Russian character ( who nearly always has a “Ukrainian” name)

    This follows on from another clueless Karlin post about “Fraud” in the Governors election in Primorye where the “Ukrainian” governor beat the “Ukrainian” KPRF candidate in a close and disputed election that has now been annulled…..with the “Ukrainian” Governor now being replaced by another “Ukrainian” governor who was running Amur and also Sakhalin before!

    This done under the watch of a President from Saint Petersburg that has been run by 2 “Ukrainian” Governors over the last 15 years, and have their football team top of the Russian Premier League, coached by , yet again….another Ukrainian

    “Ukraine” on the other hand is run by Gruzians, Americans, Canadians, Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Jews , with is revolutions orchestrated bu the US but using an Afghan guy as a figurehead….with it’s richest man in the country being a Muslim…and is currently experiencing a collapsed economy, crime, decay, extreme health and infrastructure problems and extreme stupidity

  502. Mikhail says: • Website
    @sudden death

    Idiotic comeback:

    Rather ignoramic comparison – neither northern Cyprus is part of Turkey nor Kosovo is part of Albania.

    These territories all have a respective ethnic majority, which prefer not being with the respective nation claiming the respective land at issue. The so-called “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus”, has essentially become a part of Turkey. The Kosovo Albanians prefer the Albanian flag over the Sorosian/neocon/neolib variant.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  503. @Mr. Hack

    No unified language, no unified architecture, no unified military, no unified foreign policy, no unified tax system.

    Describes all European feudal polities of that era.

    Even so, almost all the borders of the nation-states we see today had already crystallized by the 11th century, with a few situational exceptions (Iberia – Muslims; the HRE mess). And the Russian literati themselves viewed their land as a whole, calling it the “Russian lands” from the first chronicles.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  504. Mikhail says: • Website
    @M Edward

    Simplistically inaccurate babble:

    To Russia (and Ukraine) with LOVE ….,
    Kiev was the capitol of the Rus. The Rus were Swedish Viking who settled there.
    So really, Swedes are the original Russians. Not the Slavs.
    Just sayin’

  505. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anon

    He didn’t say that.

  506. Gerard2 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I mainly call myself a neoliberal for two purposes: (1) To trigger sovoks;

    Utter nonsense. You do it because you are an anti-Russia fifth columnist who likes anti-Russia, self-imposed exiled AIDS victims as Bershidsky whom you always seem to promote as in one of your open threads with this stupid article:

    Leonid Bershitsky https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-09-14/russia-s-thugs-may-be-too-much-for-its-technocrats

    Zolotovs brilliant and funny retort to the dickhead Navakny should be applauded…but Bershitsky not only doesn’t agree with it , but makes a nonsensical argument. Sergei Ivanov is as sophisticated as it gets…as is Naryshkin the leader of the SVR, What is particularly gopniki about Shoigu or Lavrov? , not to mention the massive number of these “liberal” economists in Russia who have been shown to be extremely corrupt over the years

    Then compare to the abundant amount of serial freaks in the Ukrainian farcical political scene

    Russia’s low taxation has nothing to do with neoliberalism….it’s like saying Saudi Arabia’s low rape numbers are because of high promotion of womens rights…they are separate issues, neither does the pension age increase, nor does (non-majority) privatsations of key energy/resource companies , or closing down bad banks

  507. Gerard2 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Bizarre…all real Ukrainian heroes are Russian heroes , because we are the same people

    Now with Poland……if I had to write a book about great Polish artists, thinkers, composers, scientists, writers, engineers…in a 500 page book I might get 499.8 pages of blank paper …and 3 lines of Polish successes…that is how pathetic they are and how miniscule the positive influence and heritage on ‘Ukraine” they have

    Now compare that to Russia’s incredible contribution to humanity, ..you would get a million books from what Russian’s have done in science, engineering, literature, music, art, sport, performance art and so on…all this has had an irreversible and immensely proufound impact on Ukrainian psyche, how they talk, think, build, celebrate, cook , do business, do crime, shout and so on

    Curie and the (weak) Chopin were pretty much French successes, things are so bad the only real cultural icon of any note Poland can claim to have is Felix Dzerzhinsky

    Maybe the first blatantly homosexual President of a country is something Poland can ‘celebrate” and hope to influence on Ukraine? ( the cretin who died in the Plane crash)

    or maybe the first blatantly homosexual Foreign Minister of a country….which is the only way to describe anybody married to Anne Applebaum , particularly in a country with numerous beautiful Slavic women

    Anatoly this better? Thankyou my dear friend and ally

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  508. AP says:
    @Anon

    In what kind of Central American bananistan does the trash not get taken out because the president quarrels with local big boss?

    Hmm..Netherlands had a garbage crisis:

    https://libcom.org/news/netherlands-cleaners-end-strike-after-105-days-19042012

    Madrid:

    http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/104844

    Toronto:

    Etc.

    Meanwhile you believed that Lviv was covered in Garbage :-)

    You will believe anything.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  509. EugeneGur says:
    @AP

    Ukraine is now having its own Orthodox Church

    No it doesn’t. Or, rather, Ukraine has always had its own church. But what Patriarch of Constantinople wants to recognize is a non-canonical structure led by a man excommunicated from church, which is, therefore, not a church but a cult. This is more likely than not to lead to religious conflicts. Patriarch of Constantinople is imagining himself in the role of an Orthodox Pope and he couldn’t care less what happens to Ukraine.

    Ukraine keeps winning

    Ukraine keeps winning extra trouble like it didn’t have enough already.

    • Replies: @AP
  510. AP says:
    @EugeneGur

    Or, rather, Ukraine has always had its own church. But what Patriarch of Constantinople wants to recognize is a non-canonical structure led by a man excommunicated from church, which is, therefore, not a church but a cult

    Not non-canonical anymore :-)

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  511. @Dissident

    Thanks. I’ve been blessed by the company of good teachers, a lifetime of great material and a memory that lets me use both well.

  512. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Great Collusion that accused Trump and Russia of collusion.

  513. Dmitry says:

    IMF is very optimistic about Ukraine, especially with its per capita data (due to falling population).

    If compare GDP per capitas of Ukraine and India.

    I was expecting India’s per capita GDP was going to overtake Ukraine’s GDP per capita level in the next year or two.

    However, India’s and Ukraine’s per capita GDP levels are tracking closely with each other (although India’s population is growing, while Ukraine’s falling – which explains per capita GDP is growing at similar speed, despite growth disparity).

    https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2018/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=65&pr.y=4&sy=2016&ey=2023&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=534%2C926&s=NGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  514. “I am willing to offer my consulting services on this question at the ULTRA LOW rate of $500 per hour.”

    That is a rather low rate for such a consult. For $12,500, I can help you set a billing rate you deserve.

  515. If I were to be asked how the Russian buy up of Ukrainian brains might be countered I would look to entrepreneurial universities and research institutes in the EU (and why not beyond?) to set up campuses in Ukraine to take advantages of the lower cost of educated brains. Any chance? Any problems?

  516. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Ironically the Ukrainian Church has been recognized on the same date that Ukrainian Hetman Sahaidachny, allied with Poles, helped them to storm Moscow (October 11):

    How noble not of him to ally with a non-Orthodox Christian aggressor against the most independent and strongest of Orthodox Christian entities..

    Sahaidachny didn’t refer to himself as a Cossack and didn’t have the majority of Cossacks join him in his pro-Polish endeavor.

  517. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    More like confusing a pre-existing situation. Whatever Bart in Istanbul is thinking (or making in added payola) aside, Orthodox Christianity isn’t a centralized Vatican like situation.

  518. @Anon

    Well, there is sex tourism to Lvov, but “sex tourism” out of Galicia is a lot more prominent: lots of Galician prostitutes “work” all over Russia, Turkey, and Eastern Europe. They are reasonably pretty and amazingly cheap.
    I’ve heard from many Russians that Galician girls “work” as prostitutes for a few years in Russia, saving the money, then return to Galicia, treat their gonorrhea or syphilis (whatever they “earned”) get married in Galicia to a local “vuiko” (hillbilly is the closest translation), and produce a few future Bandera followers. Female ones are likely to repeat the cycle, whereas male ones are more likely to clean toilets in Poland.
    Modern Ukrainian joke comes to mind.
    New teacher comes into class and says:
    - Let’s get acquainted – I am Mihailo Petrovych, Bandera follower.
    A girl stands up:
    - I am Natalka, Bandera follower.
    A boy stands up:
    - I am Vova, separatist.
    - Why are you a separatist, Vova?
    - My father is a separatist, so is my mother, my sister, and so are all my friends.
    - What if your father were a drug addict, mother a prostitute, sister a slut, and all friends – hopeless morons?
    - Then I’d be a Bandera follower.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @AP
  519. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even so, almost all the borders of the nation-states we see today had already crystallized by the 11th century, with a few situational exceptions (Iberia – Muslims; the HRE mess). And the Russian literati themselves viewed their land as a whole, calling it the “Russian lands” from the first chronicles.

    Nonsense. The chroniclers made a clear distinction between the core Rus lands (all within the borders of modern day Ukraine), and the outer possessions:

    The chroniclers therefore continued, albeit with little success, to call upon the princes to look to the welfare of the Rus Land and maintain its unity. They also continued to locate the Land within the boundaries of the Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Pereiaslav triangle and refer to its rulers as princes of Rus. The authors of the Chronicle, the early thirteenth-century continuation of the Primary Chronicle, were consistent in treating Chernihiv and Pereiaslav as parts of the Rus Land, while excluding Smolensk, Polatsk, Vladimir on the Kliazma, and the lands of the Derevlianians and the Viatichians. Thus the identity associated with the concept of the Kyiv-Chernihiv-Pereiaslav Rus was clearly alive and well in Kyiv throughout the twelfth and early thirteenth centuries, while the other lands ruled by the Rurikids were viewed merely as possessions, not as part of the Rus Land per se.

    The Origin of Slavic Nations. Plokhy. pgs 38-39.

    http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/8713/file.pdf

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  520. Talha says:
    @Dissident

    I noticed Daniel’s knack for writing a while back too – mashaAllah. I believe he said he has been published before and hopes to be so again.

    Peace.

  521. Bliss says:
    @iffen

    Most of the Asians……..will be on our side as honorary whites.

    You wish gweilo. How can the lower IQ race get to call the shots in such an alliance? That is not race-realism, is it? Get with the program: you will be “honorary yellows”, you will have to learn Mandarin, and you must learn the proper way to bow before your Master Confucius:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @iffen
  522. They say ignorance is bliss, but apparently the opposite is not true.

    Bliss’s comments have opened my chakras.

  523. Dissident says:
    @AquariusAnon

    To throw the SWPLs a bone, gay marriage should be nominally legalized, as in allow special licenses to operate gay bars and have a special room in the city hall to do gay marriages that will be secluded and barren.

    Several points in response to this:

    I What you suggest would still amount-to official State sanction of so-called homosexual marriage. To do that– to recognize such a sham in any way– would be to concede what is a manifest, pernicious falsehood: that a homosexual union of any kind can ever be the equivalent of, or even approach in status and objective reality, sacred matrimony.

    II The current status-quo of “LGBTQ” ascendancy and triumph in the West was not arrived at overnight but incrementally. It was long before anyone had even so much as dreamed of such a concept as homosexual marriage, much less of mutilating confused children in the name of ‘tolerance’ and ‘progress’, that the very first concessions to this mob were made. Do you not think that at each step of the way leading-up to the present insanity, justifications of appeasement, of just “throwing a bone”, etc. were made? Where has that approach gotten us? Do you not see where it inevitably leads?

    When it comes to the very foundations of civilization, there can be no compromise. To an enemy whose goal is the uprooting of those, there can be no concession.

    III. As for discreet homosexual activity between consenting adults, even if there may be a strong libertarian argument to allow it, the question must be asked: At what cost?

    Male homosexual buggery (anal penetration), in particular, is inordinately disease-promoting and, consequently, inordinately draining of taxpayer dollars and other public resources. For those reasons alone, there are strong arguments for banning or at least severely restricting the practice (even among heterosexuals) at least of the specific, inherently perverted, manifestly vile act of buggery (and certainly that of anilingus).

    IV. The Russian determination, currently enshrined in that nation’s Law, to protect minors from pernicious “LGBTQ” propaganda and recruitment efforts is most laudable and should be adopted by all civilized nations. Such a defensive, proscriptive position needs, however, to be coupled with a humane, compassionate, comprehensive prescriptive response to those– especially but not exclusively adolescents– who find themselves afflicted with same-sex attraction. I have drafted a proposal that can be summarized as follows. The following three options, in order of preference, should be presented and strongly encouraged:

    1.) Attempt to re-orient toward heterosexuality.
    2.) Choose celibacy.
    3.) Reject buggery in favor of alternative forms of homosexual intercourse that are far safer and less problematic in other ways as well.

    The above was obviously only an overview. For a more detailed version, in which I elaborate upon each of the three options suggested, click on the word “MORE” that should follow

    [MORE]

    For same-sex-attracted individuals, the approach would be multi-pronged. First, if at all possible, to try to convince them to at least consider attempting to re-direct their orientation toward a heterosexual one. We must be honest and acknowledge that such a process is likely to be a long and arduous one. And that success is not guaranteed. No less imperative, however, is that we be honest with these individuals about what is no less a truth, however unpopular it may be to acknowledge and however difficult it may be to hear and accept: that no homosexual relationship can ever provide the fulfillment, long-term, that a wholesome heterosexual one can. This would include being completely honest about the hideous realities of the typical homosexual lifestyle, including those of such disgusting, dangerous acts as buggery (ano-rectal penetration) and anilingus.

    When a wholesome heterosexuality is not an option, then celibacy should be encouraged as the least bad alternative. This must be done, however, with the acknowledgement that celibacy can be extremely difficult and may not be realistic for everyone. Thus, non-penetrative forms of homosexual intercourse, such as FROT (phallus-on-phallus) and intercrural, should be presented and encouraged as alternatives to buggery, anilingus and even fellatio that are not only far safer but also completely painless, far cleaner, more dignified (or at least less undignified) and more, if not entirely egalitarian.

    For “trans” youth, the goal would be to get them to accept that whichever sex they were born as is an immutable reality and that trying to “change” it by freakishly altering themselves with surgery or hormones cannot bring any lasting resolution or relief to their problems. On the contrary, such extremely invasive acts of effective self-mutilation and self-poisoning will create new problems and complications, not least of which are serious medical risks and adverse effects.

  524. @Michael Kenny

    What’s striking is the complete absence of anything even remotely resembling human rights.

    Were you in a coma these last 15 years? Russians have no human rights, they’re guilty of being Russian until proven innocent.

  525. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Perhaps the name Rus Land was applied to Kiev only by chroniclers of the twelfth and thirteenth century, the account of other lands could just as have been a literary device used by the chroniclers.

    Also Kiev was destroyed and plundered by Mongols, many from Kiev and Pereyaslav that are now in Ukraine migrated northwards to Vladimir and Moscow, and the lands that were to become Ukraine came to be dominated by Lithuanians and Poles. It is the here, where you find the ethnogenesis of what will much later be synthesised into a Ukrainian nation.

  526. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    From your article about Sahaydachny

    Ещё до пересечения границы запорожцы приступили к грабежам. В июне 1618 года они разорили Киевское воеводство, покинув его под прямым военным давлением коронных войск и местных магнатов.

    LOL

    AK (quick translation): Even before crossing the border, the Zaporozhyans began looting. In June 1618, they ravaged the Kiev province, only leaving it under the direct military pressure of the Crown troops and local magnates.

  527. @AP

    Repeating something doesn’t make it so. By recognizing a schismatic church within the jurisdiction of another Patriarchate all that the EP has accomplished is falling into heresy itself (for make benefit of Ukrainian nationalists and the CIA).

    • Replies: @Gerard2
    , @Anon
    , @AP
  528. @Daniel Chieh

    Girls riding horses under trees trying to catch apples in their teeth.

    One of the sports that the Southern gentry used to amuse themselves with in times yore involved shaving a cock’s neck, tying it upside down on a tree, and taking turns galloping past it and trying to snatch the head in the glove of their hand. The first to successfully snap the cock’s head off its neck would emerge triumphant in a bloody drizzle. But there was also quite a few cases of these horsemen getting unseated and snapping their necks on falling to the ground. [From Albion's Seed].

    I suppose girls now doing it to apples with their mouths would be a nice example of “the better angels of out nature.”

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  529. @Mr. Hack

    Nonsense. I suggest reading The Lay of the Ruin of the Russian Land (it’s far shorter and 100x as informative as these diaspora texts, which are the Ukrainian version of Afrocentrism going by your extract). Its author was a south Russian who wrote about the Russian lands from north-east Russia, and clearly regarded all of Rus as a unity, as he starkly differentiates them from Hungarians, Poles, Czechs, Germans, Lithuanians, and the Byzantine Empire.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Mr. Hack
  530. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    Mirpuris.

    I would like to see Britain encouraging Denmark and Sweden to leave the EU, neither are that integrated, to form a Nordic league with Iceland and Norway included.

  531. Bliss says:
    @Anon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

    What happened in Northern Europe during WWII, in the swathe of land between Berlin and Moscow, has got to be the most hellish, horrifying 6 years in the history of mankind. Some 40 million whites died in those few countries, killed not by blacks or muslims or mongoloids but by other whites (overwhelmingly christians) from neighboring countries to neighboring villages. These were peoples who the Greeks and Romans used to call “barbarians”. They certainly showed during WWII that they still deserved to be called barbarians:

    Villages were torched. Roman Catholic priests were axed or crucified. Churches were burned with all their parishioners. Isolated farms were attacked by gangs carrying pitchforks and kitchen knives. Throats were cut. Pregnant women were bayoneted. Children were cut in two.

    Timothy Snyder describes the murders: “Ukrainian partisans burned homes, shot or forced back inside those who tried to flee, and used sickles and pitchforks to kill those they captured outside. In some cases, beheaded, crucified, dismembered, or disemboweled bodies were displayed, in order to encourage remaining Poles to flee”.[40] A similar account has been presented by Niall Ferguson, who wrote: “Whole villages were wiped out, men beaten to death, women raped and mutilated, babies bayoneted.”

    In case of Polish-Ukrainian families, one common UPA instruction was to kill one’s Polish spouse and children born of that marriage. People who refused to carry such an order were often murdered together with their entire family.

    • Replies: @iffen
  532. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    Normally I don’t pay attention to your mindnumbingly stupid and dishonest and timewasting links, such as the ridiculously stupid “driving around Lvov” one and the “streets are clean in Ivano-Frankivsk ” dump ( because they streets were covered in snow & taken at night……such is the cretinious stupidity and dishonest of your drivel)

    but here is a quote from you nonsense link here:

    The number of strikers was about 2000 in the beginning, but rose to around 3000. The number of workers in the cleaning business, however, is 150.000.

    In that time I visited Holland numerous times, nothing interrupted by rotting rubbish on the streets …….you on the other hand, and nearly the entire planet haven’t visited Lvov or shown any intention to

    proof of Toronto “covered in garbage” is a photograph showing an image of length 1.5 meters and from hours of “research” that a tramp as yourself does

    Then there is the fact that Canada,Spain and Holland are actual countries , with actual functioning governments and it is braindead attention-whoring to equate them with the tragicomedy that is Ukraine

    Like with the catastrophic water situation in Kiev, this rubbish siuation in Lvov is and was extremely bad and cause huge problem for the residents ( among numerous other catastrophies)

  533. Gerard2 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    for make benefit of Ukrainian nationalists and the CIA

    …and their bank balances, and their fear of getting arrested after refusing blackmail-FIFA-style

    All starts with the breakdown in Russia’s relationship with Greece, which itself coincides with the arrival of the American Ambassador during the Maidan

  534. @LondonBob

    I would like to see Britain encouraging Denmark and Sweden to leave the EU, neither are that integrated, to form a Nordic league with Iceland and Norway included.

    Why? The current state of the EU is merely a symptom of the disease. If there is no genuine reform of the national governments, then it won’t really matter if they are in the EU or not.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @LondonBob
  535. Dissident says:
    @utu

    I did not belittle Italians.

    It was your use of the phrase “going ballistic” that had made me think otherwise. I apologize for having misread you and thank you for clarifying.

  536. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    That is not race-realism, is it?

    There is more to life than race. But from reading your comments, I don’t believe that you will ever be able to grasp this truth.

  537. Dissident says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    To the guy who expressed surprise that I agreed with Thorfinnsson’s anti-neoliberalism comment:

    Thank you for the response.

  538. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    Not absolutely sure Bliss, but I am pretty sure that this is where the Hutus and Tutsis got their ideas, cultural appropriation, you know.

  539. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry

    LOL Dmitry- they have been “optimistic” for two decades….it’s nothing but a reflection that due to it’s Russian/Soviet heritage,. that Ukraine has an educated population , massive industry amd business potential, fertile lands and nice climate….it has nothing to do with Ukraine’s actual performance as a Banana republic

    Refusing or delaying next stages of parasitic loan payments…that’s where I gauge the IMF’s actual evaluation of Kiev

    GDP PPP is also entirely irrelevant with Ukraine…….look at it’s trade imbalances, it exports ( very little) but that still far exceeds it’s imports with every country that can deliver it high quality products

    Raising their gas prices 25% (LOL) is going to either prove impossible or massively piss off the population, who can’t afford it

    Let’s not get even started if Ukraine proposed to increase the pension age to 65….they would all get lynched

    As it is, this failed states economic results are atrocious, has experienced a catastrophic GDP decline since 2014, & is now experiencing minuscule ( and fake number) recovery that is itself mainly from remittances and oil price increase ( gas transit fees linked to this)….and is not only dwarfed by warzone countries as Syria and Libya….it is dwarfed by all the partner countries of Russian…..Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan after improved relationship after Karimov, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus economic preformance all blown Ukraine’s out of the water

    So inaddition the population are going to be made to pay more for everythiing, whilst the country goes nowhere and experiences severe medicine, infrastructure and labour problems. Russia Government spends maybe 30 times more Ukraine’s does. THIRTY when the poulation is only 3 times more! Factor in corruption and I would call it closer to 90 times

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  540. LondonBob says:
    @AnonFromTN

    A German comedian joked during the last gas dispute that the Ukrainians threatened to turn off the supply of prostitutes if the Russians shut off the supply of gas.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  541. LondonBob says:
    @Hyperborean

    Thinking from an economic perspective, that said leaving the EU and its insistence on freedom of movement is a small step in the right direction.

  542. Dissident says:
    @Dmitry

    Anime/Otaku, Harry Potter, beer? That’s the best you have to offer for Muslim youth? For that, they should give-up all that their religion offers them: a sense of purpose; a belief in attaining eternal existence; a confidence and peace-of-mind from faith in a benign, guiding deity; moral discipline, etc.?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  543. @Dissident

    Many Saracens in Europe are very decadent, they are just very hypocritical and ‘gangsta’ about it.

    • Replies: @Talha
  544. Baron says:

    The less the Russians do, the better, except for sorting out the Donbas issue e.g. asking a reputable international body to conduct a referendum ‘you want coupling with Russia or Ukraine’.

    When the American hegemony weakens further, as it must, the Donald’s policies, whatever positive impact they may have short term, may actually hasten its demise, the American GEs (political elites) will be forced to withdraw from many a place, will also lose interest in Ukraine, the two Slavonic tribes will re-unite, perhaps on a federal basis, nothing not even money trumps blood ties.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  545. @Mikhail

    Yet they are not actually parts of Albania and Turkey. Both are havens of organized crime as much as Abkhaxia or South Ossetia. In these societies the police, who are local, are too weak to deal with wealthy criminals.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  546. @Gerard2

    Err, Copernicus and staying on the maths theme, a team of Polish code breakers did a lot towards decrypting Enigima messages in early WW2. Won the battle of Kursk for Russia.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Gerard2
  547. @LondonBob

    That was called EFTA. The major members left for the EU. There is something there though. The Hanseatic league was one predecssor. The Vikings another and why do North Sea countries speak variations of the same language? (or English was always spoken on the East Coast!).

  548. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    What’s it like being in a group that’s endangered and on the road to extinction?

    Why the hostility, iffen?

    (And just after I had mentioned that I had come to grow rather fond of you, no less. Though I realize that you likely did not see that.)

    Were you, perhaps, provoked by the clause just before the one you quoted (“the Zionist State that calls itself ‘Israel’”)?

    • Replies: @iffen
  549. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Like Serhii Plokhy is a more objective academic than Richard Sakwa.

  550. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    Getting back to the initial comparison (which hasn’t been successfully refuted), it’s a high point of hypocrisy to suggest that Kosovo and northern Cyprus are more deserving of a territorial changeover than Crimea – a view that has been factually backed up, as previously noted.

  551. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Wait,we’re talking Race War and Joe Webb ain’t around??!!

    What a shame!

    Peace.

  552. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    Bullshit, somewhat along the lines that the USSR wouldn’t have won WW II on the eastern front without Western aid:

    Err, Copernicus and staying on the maths theme, a team of Polish code breakers did a lot towards decrypting Enigima messages in early WW2. Won the battle of Kursk for Russia.

    The Nazis were to ultimately lose regardless – point made without denying that Western aid made things easier for the Soviets. The Nazis didn’t have the manpower and natural resources to overtake the Soviets. As for Kursk specifically, it has been said that the increased Western allied military involvement took a bit out of the Nazi effort at Kursk.

    More accurately put regarding the above highlighted, Poland wouldn’t have regained an existence without the Soviet defeat of the Nazis.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  553. Gerard2 says:
    @Philip Owen

    Err, Copernicus and staying on the maths theme, a team of Polish code breakers did a lot towards decrypting Enigima messages in early WW2. Won the battle of Kursk for Russia.

    err..Of course I know Copernicus but the “Poles did this” BS in WW2 is a recurring joke ( such as claiming to have been decisive in the Battle of Britain, whilst they pathetically were inept at defending their own country)

    I simply don’t believe it was a team of Poles who did a lot, I know there were a couple of Polish jews in there, but of course the overwhelming majority of codebreakers were British

    But, anyway, it is a pathetically small list. I could list off 20 great, world renowned Russian writers without even thinking, 10 great Russian composers, so many genius Russian scientists out there

    Difficult to say who has made the most supreme contribution to the world out of Russia,Germany,France, Britain and the rest….I would probably go for Italy owning to the length of time , followed by Holland punching above it’s weight…then followed by Russia, Britain, then Germany , then France, then group the Scandinavians together

    In civil Engineering the 3 most important Engineers are Tymochenko( obviously Russian world) and Bernoulli, and Euler…who both spent significant time and worked in Saint Petersburg

    Poland on the other hand has had access to the best from Germanic and Russian worlds of Empire, and the French and even the Swedish…but has produced near to nothing and nobody of note. Maybe they are responsible for the Watermelon cult in Ukraine?

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Anon
    , @Bliss
  554. Dissident says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I’m not Palestinian. Their lot is unfortunate, but not my problem.

    I never suggested that you had an obligation to help the Palestinians. I asked why your (or anyone else’s) problem with Jews should become the Palestinians’ problem. Of course, the question only applies, as I had stipulated, if you advocate for all Jews to be relocated to Israel/Palestine. As far as I can see, you have neither confirmed nor denied that is your position.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  555. @LondonBob

    Iceland and Norway and Denmark, perhaps.

    But if Sweden and the “UK” are to have any union, it will be an Islamic one.

  556. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m not interested in shorter versions of history that develop text that fits an author’s preconceived bias or notions of history. Plokhy does quite a credible job in weaving his narrative, where he even gives credence to a ‘greater Rus’ too, as was also mentioned in the chronicles. I left that out of my original reply, because I wanted to see if anybody here would actually go to the citation that I listed and read it. Apparently you did not, otherwise you would have mentioned that, yet you still were able to evaluate Plokhy’s work as 100x less informative than some unnamed Russian author? :-(

    BTW, Plokhy first made his mark as a historian in his native Ukraine, before moving to the states, and then becoming the head of the Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute. I guess he suffers the same malady that many of your detractors level at you Anatoly – tainted with the American experience. That’s why I only accept anything that you write with a grain of salt, Anatoly, no offense. :-)

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  557. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean

    This is true, many of them are. Plenty came West to escape the strictures of a traditional society. Muslims are not immune from the effects of La Dolce Vita if they partake of the kool-aid.

    Reminds me of Parveen Babi, probably the most famous Indian actress of the 70s and 80s – the crush of every young Desi man of that era. She was born into a Muslim family but lived the high life. Eventually moving to some place in California and dying younger than 55; unmarried and alone, her body being found in a state of decay. I don’t know if she remained Muslim or not…but there you have it.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  558. DreadIlk says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You are not loyal to America. You have to go back.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  559. Talha says:
    @Dissident

    I’m afraid to ask where you would have all of us go…then as an emphatically non-Zionist Jew

    If I had it my way, if they kicked someone like you out of the West – you should be allowed to settle anywhere in the Muslim world that could afford to take you in (not that it’s usually a problem since Jews have traditionally pulled their own weight financially in Muslim lands).

    I think Turkey, Morocco and a couple of other Muslim countries have a sizable (not large by any means) Jewish population. Non-Zionist Jews are more than welcome as far as I’m concerned!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  560. @Talha

    This is true, many of them are. Plenty came West to escape the strictures of a traditional society. Muslims are not immune from the effects of La Dolce Vita if they partake of the kool-aid.

    While some of them probably were lured by a more socially liberal society, most of them came to Europe as labourers and assorted opportunists. I think a large part of it is due to influence from pop culture.

    While a minority become ardent Salafists, many seem to model themselves based on New York-California or American ghetto blacks.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  561. @Dissident

    I’m afraid to ask where you would have all of us go… But if the answer is the Zionist State that calls itself ‘Israel’, then as an emphatically non-Zionist Jew, I have to ask: Why should the Palestinian Arabs have to be stuck with all of ((us))?

    There is always Madagascar.

  562. DreadIlk says:
    @AP

    Being in denial is nothing but expected from you. Riddle me this. What country going through civil war(if you prefer invasion) would have favorable conditions in any respect? I would sooner believe the crime statistics are doctored then to believe the situation improved.

    • Replies: @AP
  563. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    Why the hostility, iffen?

    That was not hostile in form or intent. If you have actually read my comments you would know that I can do hostile when I deem it appropriate.

    It was merely my opinion that the trend line for “Jewishness” is, and has been for some time, headed in the direction of being defined by the Jewish state, Israel. Jews such as yourself will become increasingly irrelevant in that definition.

    (And just after I had mentioned that I had come to grow rather fond of you, no less.

    I didn’t know what to make of it, or what to do with it. I am rather fond of your high quality comments, but you can always mess that up.

    Were you, perhaps, provoked by the clause just before the one you quoted (“the Zionist State that calls itself ‘Israel’”)?

    I actually don’t consider myself as having a dog in the fight. Simply put (again), my cultural and religious background inclines me to favor Israel. (All my boyhood Biblical heroes were Jews.) I love my peeps, my peeps love Israel, ergo.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Dissident
  564. @Mr. Hack

    “Shorter versions of history” (according to Mr. Hack) = direct source material from the time period in question that directly refute the claims of this Plokhy person.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  565. @iffen

    It was merely my opinion that the trend line for “Jewishness” is, and has been for some time, headed in the direction of being defined by the Jewish state

    There’s the argument though that many leftie US Jews are becoming increasingly alienated from Israel, due to Israel’s explicit status as a national state and its treatment of the Palestinians, positions which can’t really be reconciled with what many liberal Jews profess to believe in.
    I kind of wonder what would happen if Israel did something really extreme like trying to expel the Arabs from the West bank…would liberal Jews disown Israel?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @LondonBob
    , @iffen
  566. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    this Plokhy person.*

    *Plokhi’s books have been translated into a number of languages, including Belarusian, Chinese (classic and simplified), Estonian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Spanish, Russian, and Ukrainian, and won numerous awards and prizes. The Last Empire: The Final Days of the Soviet Union won the 2015 Lionel Gelber Prize for the world’s best non-fiction book in English on global issues and the 2015 Pushkin House (London, UK) Russian Book Prize. His other books won the Historia Nova Prize for the Best Book on Russian Intellectual History; the American Association for Ukrainian Studies Book Prize; the Ukrainian National Women’s League of America Book Prize; and the Book of the Year Prize (Biographies and Memoirs) in Ukraine. His books were shortlisted for the Lionel Gelber Foundation Prize; the Wallace A. Fergusson Book Prize of the Canadian Historical Association; the “Historia Zebrana” Book Prize (Poland); and Book of the Year Award (Ukraine). In 2009, Plokhii received the Early Slavic Studies Association Distinguished Scholarship Award, and in 2013 he was named the Walter Channing Cabot Fellow at the Faculty of Arts and Sciences of Harvard University for scholarly eminence in the field of history.[3] In 2015 Serhii Plokhii received the Antonovych prize.

    Still can’t remember the name of the bozo that wrote the history that you’re comparing to Plokhi’s book? Did you even notice the awards from Russian venues? ‘Best Book on Russian Intellectual History’ probably worth reading?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  567. World Bank report on Ukraine “prosperity” (http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/ukraine) excerpts:
    “Economic growth in Ukraine remained modest in 2017, at 2.5% for the second year in a row“.
    “Poverty remains above pre-crisis levels but is estimated to have declined in 2017”.
    “Ukraine faces major financing needs in 2018–20 that will require the mobilization of sizable international financing and the capacity to meet the fiscal deficit target of 2.5% of GDP to maintain macroeconomic stability. Debt repayments (to the IMF, Eurobonds, and domestic bonds in foreign exchange and local currency) and financing the fiscal deficit will require 7.7% of GDP per year”.
    Conclusion: at current growth rates Ukraine has a chance to reach Poland in ~100 years.
    Congratulations, Ukies!

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  568. Dmitry says:
    @Gerard2

    India and Ukraine, have approximately the same GDP per capita, in all the different measures (PPP, nominal, current prices or constant prices).

    However, India’s GDP growth this year projected for 7,4%, while Ukraine’s GDP growth projected for 3,5%.

    So therefore, I was initially imagining Indian GDP per capita would rapidly overtake Ukraine’s GDP per capita.

    But then you have to remember, Ukraine’s population is falling, while India’s population is growing. The end result, if we believe IMF, that Ukraine and India’s GDP per capita will approximately continue to track each other in the next years (with Ukraine, still being ahead of India in GDP per capita).

    This, of course, assuming IMF’s optimistic sentiment for Ukraine’s economic growth.

    Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan after improved relationship after Karimov, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus

    Correct comparison countries for Ukraine’s situation (post-Soviet, non-oil exporting countries), are Armenia, Georgia, Belarus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc.

    Belarus, Armenia and Georgia are all more successful than Ukraine (in GDP per capita). Belarus far ahead.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  569. DreadIlk says:
    @AP

    You moved the goal posts. Original discussion was where it is better to live and not about where to scrub toilets.

    First PPP is a better measure. Why? Because it takes it into account more then what you mentioned. You are naive if you think wage and cost of living is all that matters. Working police, hospitals and roads also matter. Those are calculated in PPP and absent in wage to cost of living comparisons. The cost of the services I mentioned are part of taxes and do not get factored into wages.

    Russia is a state with a lot more government control then other European states. This is to the detriment of Russia but at the same time it also means you have to treat it differently when comparing.

    So as far as where to work. I rather not have migrant workers in US so you can imagine any normal Russian would be glad not to have migrant workers from Ukraine. I don’t know where you got your numbers about how many people work in Russia and Poland but last I checked the numbers were in favor of Russia by like 2 or 3 times.

    https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1RUCY_enUS718US718&ei=aa3AW8P1GKqd_Qa986KYDg&q=number+of+ukranians+working+in+russia&oq=number+of+ukranians+working+in+russia&gs_l=psy-ab.3…9615.10243..10363…0.0..0.308.1051.2-3j1……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i71.BzH1hJeythg

    vs

    https://www.france24.com/en/20180108-focus-ukraine-poland-immigration-european-union-work-employment-economy-wages

    Look at that a simple search confirms it.

  570. @LondonBob

    Makes sense. Prostitutes are Ukraine’s most successful export commodity.

  571. @DreadIlk

    The gravest threat you can issue to a Ukie is to send him/her/it back to Ukraine.

  572. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Correct comparison countries for Ukraine’s situation (post-Soviet, non-oil exporting countries), are Armenia, Georgia, Belarus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc.

    Also Moldova.

    Ukraine, actually now a little ahead of Moldova in GDP per capita PPP (according to IMF).

    • Replies: @AP
  573. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    I have read there is a generational difference.

    So American Jews from “baby boomer” epoch are still supporting Israel (this called “liberal Zionism”).

    However, the younger generation is much more “divided”, and maybe only a minority care for Israel.

    That said, when you walk (I saw this personally) past new residential skyscrapers for millionaires they build in Tel Aviv, there are a lot of young American (or maybe Canadian/British?) Jews, in their early 20s, walking around in sunglasses, with their dogs, speaking English.

    So there will still be support from the younger generation of American Jews. But this could be smaller (fraction) than in past.

    I also read something like only 40% of American Jews will even visit Israel in their lives. So this is always a minority who are interested in Israel. But there are such a large number of Jews in America – over 6 million. So even if only 40% visit Israel – this is still a very large demographic of Americans (over 2.4 million).

  574. Rurik says:

    repairing the standing insult to the aesthetics of the world map represented by fake and gay countries such as Belarus and the Ukraine.

    This post will discuss how to go about it.

    “Winning hearts and minds,” apart from being a cuck move, is unfeasible anyway; even going so far as giving back Crimea will not restore goodwill and invite only well-deserved contempt.

    Since none of us have the time to read every thread, I hadn’t bothered with this one, for one thing, being as I consider Karlin a Soviet apologist of sorts, so reading his stuff can be repellent on a certain level.

    But since I chose the name ‘Rurik’ due to the ((manufactured conflict)) between Russia and Ukraine, and with the intention of being a mollifying voice with the goal of avoiding more zio-wars, I suppose I should at least chime in.

    But then I read the above quote, and thought ‘why more belligerent provocations at a time when we all want rapprochement, no?

    I’ve slightly perused some of the comments, and I’m intrigued that there’s so much racial hostility to ethnic Ukrainians.

    ‘Was this what motivated so many (non-Jewish) Russians to participate in the Soviet crimes against the Ukrainian peasant farmer class during the Soviet era?’

    I have nearly zero knowledge of that region and its people, but only glimmers from talking to Russians and Ukrainians here in the ZUS and what I’ve read.

    I know a couple, she’s Ukrainian (gorgeous) and he’s Russian (very nice guy). They have a very pretty daughter who’s an American beauty queen competition winner (blonde, outgoing and well-rounded in all the right places. [an observation I avoid making in the parent's company ; ])

    Anyways, when I talk to people, like this couple, they say the hostilities are due to politics and meddling.

    Or there’s a cop I know who’s Ukrainian, and he talks like Putin is Hitler.

    So much rancor, sometimes. Which is what I see here, on this thread, only from the Russian side.

    As an American, we couldn’t tell a Russian from a Ukrainian if our lives depended on it. Even when they’re talking, it just sounds like Russian to us, even if they’re speaking Ukrainian.

    (I’m rambling, I know)

    So anyways, I guess my point is, that I have no dog in this fight, other than my disgust over the intractable hatreds that the Fiend finds so convenient to exploit for its own demonic wa