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Yahoo! News had this headline at the top on Thursday morning.

When you click the article, you get this different headline:

The actual appropriate headline for this article would be “A Baby’s First Guide to Why the US Must Initiate a World War in Order to Prevent Chinese Reunification.”

The article gives a quick, slanted and false outline of the situation which does not attempt to either:

  • Explain the Chinese position on Taiwan, or
  • Explain why Taiwan is important to “American interests.”

It then gives a series of quotes from supposed experts on what Joe Biden should do.

A firm commitment to defend Taiwan is the best way to prevent an invasion

“The United States needs to remove the ambiguity about whether it would come to Taiwan’s defense. Uncertainty about U.S. intentions raises the risk of war. … President Biden should declare that, though we will not support a Taiwanese declaration of independence from China, we will defend the island if it is attacked.” — Max Boot, Washington Post

The U.S. must accept it has nothing to gain from defending Taiwan

“Bluntly put, America should refuse to be drawn into a no-win war with Beijing. It needs to be said up front: there would be no palatable choice for Washington if China finally makes good on its decades-long threat to take Taiwan by force.” — Daniel L. Davis, defense priorities senior fellow, Guardian

The U.S. should maintain its noncommittal position as long as it can

“As a superpower, the United States should preserve flexibility in its global security relationships. It also is not even obvious that Taiwan’s body politic would welcome an explicit security guarantee from the United States.” — Therese Shaheen, National Review

Taiwan is too important to U.S. interests to let it be taken by the Chinese

“Abandoning Taiwan in the face of a Chinese military assault would be a monumental disaster. … The U.S. cannot afford to see a country that occupies vital strategic space in the Western Pacific subdued by Beijing.” — Hal Brands, Bloomberg

War with China would pose an existential threat to the U.S.

“Stumbling into a shooting war over Taiwan is akin to opening a Pandora’s box, and it would make the last 20 years of conflict in the Middle East look like an uneventful peacekeeping mission. A fight between Washington and Beijing could also escalate to the nuclear level, particularly if the Chinese Communist Party determines that the use of such weapons is the only thing standing in the way of a humiliating defeat.” — Daniel R. DePetris, NBC News

America has a duty to protect the free world from authoritarianism

“The United States and its allies have built and defended a rules-based system over the past 75 years that has produced unprecedented peace, prosperity, and freedom globally. I don’t want to trade that in for a world in which Americans stand by as revisionist autocracies like China gobble up neighbors by military force.” — Matthew Kroenig, Foreign Policy

The U.S. also has diplomatic tools to deter China from invading

“To further demonstrate U.S. resolve, Biden should tell Beijing that any more threats of force against Taiwan’s participation in the democracy summit will trigger immediate diplomatic recognition of Taiwan and an official statement of Washington’s new ‘One China, One Taiwan’ policy. Beijing must understand that war would mean instant Taiwan independence.” — Joseph Bosco, The Hill

The best way to defend Taiwan is through investment, not military threats

“Hyping the threat that China poses to Taiwan does Beijing’s work for it. Taiwan’s people need reasons for confidence in their own future, not just reminders of their vulnerabilities. If American policy makers want to help Taiwan, they will need to go beyond focusing on the military threat. They need to modernize the U.S.-Taiwan economic relationship, help Taiwan diversify its trade ties and provide platforms for Taiwan to earn dignity and respect on the world stage.” — Richard Bush, Bonnie Glaser and Ryan Hass, NPR

Some of those are funnier than others. The idea that a country that is force-vaccinating its population is less authoritarian than a country that is not doing that is actually so ridiculous that it borders on the deranged or outright insane.

But this is actually more anti-war material than you usually see anywhere on a mainstream website, so I guess good job with that, Yahoo!

But while they do include people saying “we really should probably think about whether or not we want to start a nuclear war,” what is lacking is a sober perspective.

Why is Taiwan even an issue?

Why are we even talking about this at all?

Not one single person in this entire media landscape will either:

  • Outline, in real terms, how occupying Taiwan is in “the interests of America,” or
  • Point out that no one will give that outline

You end up in a situation where no one even has any idea what we’re actually talking about.

How is it possible that we’ve reached the point where we’re considering a nuclear war over vague “strategic interests” that no one is able to explain in concrete terms?

Furthermore – and I hate to be the one to have to point this out – but things are tough all over.

America and the rest of the West have a lot, lot, lot of problems. We have very real economic, political and social problems that no one is offering any solutions to. So the idea that we’re talking about going to war to protect some fake country on the other side of the globe is simply inexplicable.

If I was allowed to offer a 200-word sound bite for that Yahoo! News article, it would be this:

Taiwan is a part of China, and the reasons the US occupied it originally are no longer relevant. Instead of continuing to support the fantasy of a democratic China under the guise of the myth of Taiwanese nationhood, the United States should open talks about reunification. China will be open to giving wide-ranging concessions in exchange for the opportunity at peaceful reunification, and this will allow the West to clear up various unrelated conflicts with China, including on matters of international trade. — Andrew Anglin, Hoax Watch

I am happy that some in the media are finally saying that what we are talking about here is a nuclear war. That’s a long way from where we were a couple years ago, when the State Department first started its saber-rattling under Donald Trump. The humiliation in Afghanistan seems to have sobered a few people up.

But the fact that this discussion still remains so very far outside of the real, in the realm of the viciously and confusingly abstract, speaks to the moronic nature of the American mind. These people are literally asking you to believe that every single person in the entire Western world supports the idea of an “independent and democratic Taiwan” being “strategically important to the United States and its allies” even while not one person among this unified chorus is capable of explaining what either of those concepts means.

The basic fact, which anyone who knows the history knows but which no one in the American media is willing to say (and it wouldn’t be printed if they were willing), is that Taiwan was set up as an alternative government to the CCP government of China. The American goal was to foster a “democracy” government in Taiwan, which would eventually rule all of China. To this day, the government of Taiwan officially claims that it is the legitimate government of the entirety of China. This is not a secret, and yet somehow, it remains totally unsaid, and instead we are told that “Taiwan” is some kind of independent country that “China” is trying to invade and conquer.

The fact that Taiwan is not a country, but a piece of China occupied by the United States, does not necessarily mean that we should just give it back to China. But any serious discussion about whether we should or should not give it back to China should start from the point of accurately defining what Taiwan is. Obviously, if it is accurately defined, that would lead a lot of people to grasp the Chinese perspective on the issue, and make China look much less villainous, which is why there is some kind of soft ban on properly defining Taiwan in the media.

I think it would be morally good to simply give Taiwan back to China. But geopolitics are not based around moral goodness, so it makes sense that because America currently maintains control of Taiwan, America would instead negotiate concessions from China as part of the reunification process. But because we live in this fantasy world, we can’t have that discussion, and instead it’s simply “should we go to war to protect Taiwanese independence?” – a stupid and nonsensical question.

America is not a serious country, and its fixation with censorship has ensured that there can never be any form of seriousness injected into any discussion. Instead of talking about actual reality, the media and the political class argue about fantasies with only abstract connection to physical realities.

This is what a “dying empire” looks like.

(Republished from The Daily Stormer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The prospect of nuclear war with China over an island off the coast of China is just another absurd milestone in the long, ignoble decline of ZOG-USA.

  2. @Chris Moore

    It’s never going to happen. The toxic ultra rich don’t really care enough for the U.S., or its people, but they do care for their own skins. They don’t want the party to end while their having such a good time. There’s so much in the U.S. left to exploit.

  3. the only country ZOG-ruled ‘Murka will use main-force to protect is

    _________________ (fill in blank)

    U got it. And since Taiwan is not Israel, the ZOG will not go to war to “protect” Taiwan.

  4. Vinnie O says:

    There was a time, back in the late 1940s, when Taiwan was a useful staging area for a Nationalist Chinese offensive against Mao’s dirty Commie rats. But weeks turned into years, and years turned into decades, Red China became just another trading partner for cheap Christmas toys. So now Taiwan is like Ukraine or something: it’s its own country and the Taiwanese people would clearly be happier being a version of Chinese than a version of California.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  5. BluEidDvl says:
    @Chris Moore

    Well, America certainly is the world’s largest lunatic asylum. If there is one country on Earth that’d turn this world into a charnel house over ideological or economic reasons or if it felt it’s hegemony was threatened, it’d be America.

    If it came to that, we’d wreck the world defending the Chinese from… Chinese. I’ve a feeling it has much more to do with Taiwan’s huge advanced chip industry? (63% from Taiwan, 13% from China). If China was to seize Taiwan, China would have a veritable monopoly on certain high capacity chips which are essential for high end manufacturing, especially in advanced military applications. Oh, the White House & Pentagon will drum it up as a “fight for democracy, for a free people”, but WHEN have we ever cared about that?. We sold out half of Europe to the Soviets at the Potsdam conference.

    A dying hegemon is an extraordinarily dangerous creature.. 🤔

    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
  6. JLK says:

    Obviously, if it is accurately defined, that would lead a lot of people to grasp the Chinese perspective on the issue, and make China look much less villainous, which is why there is some kind of soft ban on properly defining Taiwan in the media.

    There’s a lot of soft bans like that, I’d like to know how our media stays so lock-step on just about every controversial issue and calls itself free.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  7. Jim Given says:

    China is a ”revisionist Autocracy.” (?)
    If anyone knows, what is a revisionist country. Somebody who disagrees with the ”rules based order.”?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  8. I see a high energy weapon was probably used to torch a building in Taiwan.

    Was this punishment?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  9. It would be great if we could or would control our own borders.

    five year moratorium to start

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Ace
  10. Derer says:

    Majority of Washington “representatives” and those that send them there are evil people! Ever since they successfully killed innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they cannot handle the nuclear power. Every bullying is done from the position of that power. However, ignoring reality that others have the same or even better quality power and modesty, will result in their destruction.

  11. The thought that any end-stage Exceptionalist fascist thinks that China would suffer ‘humiliating defeat’ in a defensive war with the USA, in China’s own territory, is ludicrous. The US would lose ALL its forward bases, in Jeju, Okinawa, Guam etc, quickly, and any naval expeditionary force would be taken out long before it reaches the South China Sea. The side likely to resort to nukes is the dying Moloch, Thanatopia. Half the US public is looking forward to the End Times, so China would be doing them a favour.

  12. @Jim Given

    A ‘gook’ who answers the White Boss back.

    • Troll: Automatic Slim
  13. Avery says:

    {America and the rest of the West have a lot, lot, lot of problems. We have very real economic, political and social problems that no one is offering any solutions to. So the idea that we’re talking about going to war to protect some fake country on the other side of the globe is simply inexplicable.}

    Well, not really: you explained it in the same paragraph.

    US and the GloboWest have lots and lots of problems, not the least with their own sheeple, who are beginning to chafe at the increasingly draconian methods used by the rulers to keep the herd within the confines of the plantation, producing milk & meat for the rulers to enjoy. So one of the oldest ways of Rulers since the beginning has been – to distract the sheeple from the internal problems and unite them around the King – is to start wars fighting a ginned up external enemy.

    The problem with the psychopath warmongers like ‘…. we will defend the island if it is attacked….,’ Max Boot* is that they are either too stupid/arrogant or too addled by the fumes of their own putrid Bull S____ to realize that China has lots and lots of nukes. And can reach and touch mainland USA. And that wars are very unpredictable.

    ___________________________
    * by “we” the slimy reptilian means the sons of middle America will, not the bloodless freaks of his ilk.

  14. @BluEidDvl

    The chip thing is a mirage. Sure Taiwan mass produces advanced chips, but the machines it uses to make those chips are imported from Europe. You can think of Taiwan as the production line using western machines to churn out chips. Under Trump the US threatened to sanction the European company that makes the machines used in Taiwan if it also sold those machines to Chinese companies. Only at that point did the Chinese government take any notice of semiconductor manufacturing.

    And you know how China went about solving the sanction problem? It made a policy decision to develop its own domestic semiconductor tech stack that will be entirely independent of western supplies. To that end it established several research centres training thousands of scientists and engineers specialising in semi-conductor manufacture. On current projections, it’ll be capable of domestically manufacturing the last generation of state-of-the-art chips by 2024, and will be at parity with the projected western state-of-the-art by 2030.

    In short, China doesn’t want Taiwan for its technology. China wants Taiwan simply because it’s a province of China.

  15. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:


    Bonnie Glaser… Jew.

    Max Boot… Jew.

    Any questions?

    Just… the Eternal… JQ.

    • Replies: @denk
  16. AKAHorace says:

    Taiwanese people would clearly be happier being a version of Chinese than a version of California.

    Taiwan is a better version of China, than mainland China itself is. Red Guards destroyed much of their cultural heritage on the mainland. Taiwan is more Chinese and will stay that way if it is not forced into the PRC.

    Taiwan would be safe from China if they had continued their nuclear weapons program. Unfortunately the US prevented them developing of bombs. Having not allowed them to defend themselves, they owe them assistance if there is an invasion.

  17. @Marshal Marlow

    In short, China doesn’t want Taiwan for its technology. China wants Taiwan simply because it’s a province of China.

    In the same way as Mongolia and Korea. Or like Puerto Rico is a “province” of the US.

    Where are the indigenous rights people? Earth to U.N…

  18. Did anyone ask Max Boot how his cheerleading for the invasion of Iraq turned out?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Thanks: Nancy
  19. Give peace a chance. War department has to justify trillion dollars expenditure. War and its rumors serve that purpose in the manufactured crisis. If China takes the bait and gets into arms race, it risks bankruptcy like former USSR. Taiwan, democracy, free speech, free love, etc … are only pretexts. Real issue is Empire and global domination. Peaceful co-existence and mutual trade are infinitely better than domination and annihilation.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  20. @mulga mumblebrain

    You know that you’re talking about the same people who thought they could colonise Afghanistan.

  21. Derer says:

    Taiwan is too important to U.S. interests to let it be taken by the Chinese

    Hogwash! It is Chinese, they will chase you out with billions of hats. You think they will shoot at their brothers? Yankee’s bullies brain is completely damaged by the misleading perception of absolute power on this planet. How illiterate they are.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  22. @Chris Moore

    Taiwan is about as important to America as it is to Mexico. But the latter does not have an empire.

  23. gottlieb says:

    Agree 100%. This is but the fading wet-dream of an Empire running on empty. The supply chain has already won WWIII without firing a shot..

  24. @Chris Moore

    Those hundreds of thousands suffering in Hong Kong never made it to America. Therefore invite the Taiwanese to South Chicago—problem fixed.

  25. IronForge says:

    Yahoo! Corporate Co-Founder Yang is TWNese.

    Do you Homework before you Whine, Anglin.

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  26. It’s not a binary choice between nuclear war, and “turning Taiwan over to China.” We can efficaciously support Taiwan with less than lethal means. We’re not the final arbiters in what will happen to Taiwan, anyway. The Taiwanese people are. They will either maintain their independence, perhaps ultimately fight, or not.

    Whether the CCP can beat and annex them is not self evident, whether we vigorously support the Taiwanese or not. The great People’s Liberation army lost to Vietnam not so long ago, and may not even be a match for India. All those only sons dying in combat – perhaps tens or even hundreds of thousands of them – will not redound to the stability or survival of the CCP. Xi Jing Ping, the rest of the geriatric plutocratic claque controlling China know this.

    Besides this, the act of violently annexing Taiwan would unite a large part of the world against China. Japan, India, Malaysia, Indonesia and Australia – all of whom have a whole lot of skin in this game, far more then the U.S, does – already have a potential strangle hold over Chinese sea lanes, all on their own without the U.S. Navy, and that vaunted Silk Highway across Asia can be clipped at dozens of junctures. No coal, no oil, no Chinese economy. Game over.

    Also, the idea that Taiwan is “just a part of China” is risible. A large percentage of the population isn’t even ethnically Han Chinese. Why don’t you go tell Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Austria and Switzerland to join the Fourth German Reich, based solely on ethnicity, language, and the historic claims of the Holy Roman Emperor?

    This reads almost as CCP propaganda. We in the U.S. don’t need to start a nuclear war over Taiwan. But nor do we need to sit passively by, and let a bunch of Maoist fascists take over the planet. It’s not a binary problem, and the most effective forms of resistance and warfare are not violent. The Maoists know this, which is why they are huffing and puffing with such vigor, striking such violent poses. They want to intimidate, manipulate and dominate us, but I for one am not afraid of them.

  27. @Marshal Marlow

    1.There is much more to making integrated circuits than “just” building and paying for the \$10-20Bn dollar fabs with the \$150 millions ASML EUV tools. TSMC Corporation has developed process integration skills and is ahead of once mighty Intel in terms of cd–critical dimension, feature size, transistor density, power consumption per transistor. It will take much work and USG subsidies to replicate part of the TSMC empire in AZ.
    TSMC also holds its own patents in process development.

    So the precarious and hollowed out USA economy needs its integrated circuits fabbed in Taiwan……

    ‘China 2025 autarchy goal…..

    I seriously doubt if three years from now that mainland China will have much headway in achieving a domestic electronic autarchy. How much has SMIC achieved with their billions in subsidies……Neither will the USA have re-achieved autarchy either…..

    by the way Where does Huawei expect to be ? cut off from Western designed chips , Huawei has retreated in smartphones and other markets.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @showmethereal
  28. The U.S. needs to take any troops they’re thinking about sending to Taiwan and deploy them on the southern border to repel anyone attempting to enter this country illegally.

    • Agree: Realist
  29. @Chris Moore

    It isn’t about defending Taiwan but global Anglo White Supremacy. It isn’t the first time it has been challenged by Yellow Asiatics. The last time it happened nuclear weapons were involved. Race wars are particularly cruel because this is what cruelty itself is meant for.

    • Replies: @Ace
  30. If the US would go to war with China for Taiwan, it would be not out of “strategic interest” (which is not real in this case), but out of considerations of prestige. After the debacle in Afghanistan, “giving away” Taiwan would be the final nail in the coffin of US world prestige. On the other hand the US is reluctant to risk a nuclear war with China, but so is China. Both countries are not so insane as to run that risk. So it will remain a “war of words”, punctuated by occasional “military exercises” near the island but careful not to escalate them into a real war. In short we can expect a new “cold war” for several decades between the US and China, which hopefully will end the same way as the cold war between the US and Russia, i.e. after a democratic reform in China.

    Right now China is in a hubristic mood. It not only claims Taiwan, but the whole South China Sea and territoria from almost all its neighbors: Mongolia (entirely!), Russia (Vladivostok), and parts of both Koreas, islands of Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, parts of Myanmar, India and 40% of Tajikistan. With India is has engaged in violent clashes in the Himalaya region already. India with Australia (and the US and the UK, the so-called AUKUS) and the countries of South East and East Asia are in the process of forming a defensive ring around China. Russia might ultimately join them. In short a full fledged cold war scenario is forming. This new cold war need not to escalate into a nuclear hot war.

    The best thing to do is to thwart China’s attempt at economic world hegemony by sabotaging its Belt and Road Initiative, if not stopping trade with it all together.

    The majority of Taiwan’s population is not in favor of unification with China, the more so after having witnessed how China treats the wish for more democracy in Hong Kong.

    Here is a map of China’s insane territorial claims:

    Notice how parts of Central Asia, the whole of Mongolia and the whole of Russia’s Vladivostok region are included. Of India China claims huge chunks of its West and East Himalaya regions. Parts of Nepal and Bhutan are also claimed.

    The smartest thing for the US to do is to stop its hostile attitude towards Russia (which never made any sense) and lure it away from an alliance with China. Thus a defensive “ring around China” would be complete and hopefully force the crazy dragon to mend its ways. Interesting times!

    • Disagree: Biff, antibeast
    • Thanks: Ace
    • Troll: d dan
  31. anon[224] • Disclaimer says:

    No one cares about Taiwan. Except Neo Cons. The woke US armed forces can no longer wage a conventional land based war of attrition. They haven’t done better than stalemate since WW 2. The best we can do is a proxy battle of our Contractors against ultra low income countries.

    So, nobody in America is excited about war in Taiwan. Taiwan needs to cut its best deal. In suppose the UN will handle it.

  32. Technomad says:

    FWIW, Taiwan was not “occupied” by the US. We were allied with them for quite a while, mostly because the “people’s” “republic” of “china” was run by a bunch of barking-mad Red maniacs.

    Also…what makes you think that the PLA and PLA(N) are anywhere near up to this job? The Taiwan Straits are 90 miles across, and getting across those waters would be a non-trivial accomplishment. The more so because the Taiwanese would know when the invasion was coming…probably just about to the hour. There are plenty of people in Fujian Province (just across the straits from Taiwan) with connections in Taiwan, and planting spies among them would not be difficult at all. I could also mention that the last few years have given the Taiwanese population some very good reasons not to welcome their “brothers from the mainland.”

    When has the PLA won anything big, anyway? The last time they fought anybody that could fight back, it was 1961 or then abouts, up in the Himalayas…and ISTR that when they tried a rematch recently, the Indian Army schooled them. Their gear is mostly last-generation, and since they’ve had a one-child policy for so long, they’ve spawned a generation of “little emperors” whose parents would NOT be happy to see their precious only child dragged off on a fool’s mission to conquer Taiwan.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  33. Unlike some others here, I do not see the government of China as having some sort of ‘right’ to Taiwan unless the people of Taiwan want to be reunited with China — or ‘united’ might be a better term. Mainland China has only exerted effective sovereignty over Taiwan for a total of four years in all of history. The island is not somehow an integral part of China.

    However, and nevertheless…

    China is too powerful and too willing to take losses for us to have any hope of winning a war that close to China unless we start basing some very advanced technology on the island now.

    Until we do that — and maybe not even then — saber-rattling on our part will convince nobody and deter no one. It can only lead to a humiliating defeat.

    Therefore, we should instead make it clear that China’s going to find all her trade with us and with our allies gone if she attacks Taiwan. That, we can take convincing measures to make possible, and credibly threaten to follow through on.

    Naturally, giving Taiwan all the advanced weaponry she herself can use would also help. Taiwan herself can credibly promise she’ll resist, even if we can’t.

    We can’t actually make it impossible for China to take Taiwan. We can only make the prospect unappetizing. We need to accept that, and act accordingly.

  34. I’m not going to let these communist Chinese invade Taiwan. Give me a surgical mask, a Pfizer injection and a rifle and I’m going to defend democracy and diversity. Damn, I’m not going down without a fight.

    • Agree: Craig Nelsen
    • LOL: Angharad
  35. Miro23 says:

    The actual appropriate headline for this article would be “A Baby’s First Guide to Why the US Must Initiate a World War in Order to Prevent Chinese Reunification.”

    Or alternatively:

    “Why you should support a war with China: They won’t allow us (the US financial elite) to loot their country.”

    • Agree: showmethereal
  36. I remember boxes printed with ‘Made In Taiwan PRC’ (People’s Republic of China) back in the days.
    If they were part of China then, what’s all the war mongering bs today about?
    Could it be GlobalHomoZioBIGs3MIC is trying to force China to join the New World Order of GlobalHomo celebration?
    Who wins fighting for the right of 2SLGBTQQIAPWXYZ+ – Two Spirit, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual people, and Pedophiles, with a plus-sign added for good measure to cover any potentially overlooked groups to indoctrinate society with sexual perversion that is anti humanism no matter which way you look at it?
    Where the hell is human intelligence from global bodies of academia who are suppose to be the bearers of truth and common sense?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  37. Miro23 says:

    A good way for the Chinese (China and Taiwan) to finesse this would be for them to get into talks on the peaceful reunification of the island with the mainland and (as a sign of goodwill) – get the Americans to leave the area. A US instigated war would be disastrous for both of them.

  38. Anonymous[682] • Disclaimer says:

    The empire you speak of, is all privately owned Nothing about that private ownership should be of interest to any government, except the government under siege by the invading wealth extractors. The government and its military apparatus is nothing more than a leg breaker tool which the private monopoly powered corporate wealth extractors used to extract wealth from the citizens and corporations wherever the corporate wealth extractors strike.

    Nation state financing depends on the taxing power of the state. if the citizens and their businesses within a nation state are wealth__less, then the state has little wealth to tax. These global monopoly powered wealth extractors (mostly corporations and private think tanks) are bigger than the nation state themselves.. The corporate wealth extractors are more global than the nation state, the global wealth extractors are the most powerful organizations in the world, more powerful than the nation state.

    News reporting is often fraudulent. Ownership of the cause of events which make the news is often reported to the sucker public as an event of the nation state that hosts the corporation that perpetrated the event. .. For example, if global British based corporation B blows up a sea port in country X, and the involvement of B is found out, the news will attribute the instigators of the blast to be the nation state from which the private monopoly powered global corporation came. The dirty deed was not a deed of the government foreign to the place where the event took place, but was instead, a dirty deed, perpetrated by a privately owned corporation doing business in the event damaged nation state. .. For example, if the Port in Lebanon is suddenly blown up by a privately owned British Corporation, in order to put persons out of business that are dependent on the port, the news will report that the British blew up the Lebanon port, when in fact, no one in Britain even knew about the event, until it was reported on the news.

    These privately instituted anti competition events (blow up the harbor, or set fire to the factory of another) often are designed to prevent private competitors operating from within a foreign event damaged nation state, from either selling their produced goods or from receiving the parts and supplies needed to continue the production and marketing of competitive goods being produced in the event victimized nation state. Often the destructive events are followed by, or preceded by, wealth extraction events also perpetrated by the private corporate often global wealth extractors ( the nation state whose harbor was destroyed, is forced to pay a private contractor to deliver by air into and out of the event damaged nation state, at very high prices, those same goods that used to come and go by ship through the blown up harbor) meaning that the competitors within are put out of business or rendered by high cost and scarcity of supplies non competitive.
    Next might come a fire sale of the production facility..

    So the question is to which private companies, which wealth extractors, is Taiwan important to?

  39. slorter says:
    @Chris Moore

    Yes completely absurd neo liberal neocon folly a distraction !

  40. Ed Case says:

    The fact that Taiwan is not a country, but a piece of China occupied by the United States,

    Huh?
    The U.S. doesn’t occupy Taiwan, never has, since Taiwan is a Chinese province, something all sides agree on.

  41. d dan says:

    US has a long ugly history of trying to divide and break up China. The record is long so I will start only in early 1949, and further skip mentioning efforts like Xinjiang, Tibet and others.

    1. When it was clear that Chiang Kai Shek was losing the mainland, US proposed to divide China along the Yangtze River. The northern China would be under communist and southern China under Chiang’s KMT. US even tried to get buy-in from Soviet. It would be similar to the way they divided up Korea and Vietnam. This didn’t realize because Mao rejected it. Knowing how Korea and Vietnam sacrificed millions to unify their country later, Mao’s courageous decision and foresight to defy the superpowers must had saved ten of millions of Chinese lives. This alone qualified his portrait to be hanged in the Tiananmen.

    2. After Chiang retreated to Taiwan, and before China entered the Korea War, US sailed its carrier groups into Taiwan Strait to prevent PRC from taking over it. This was an unprovoked aggression to interfere in the civil war and prevented the first opportunity to unification of Taiwan.

    3. In the 1950s and 1960s, US continued to use Taiwan to launched hostile actions against China. US wanted Taiwan to go independent, but it was resisted by Chiang. Chiang and Mao were united in this regard. They even implicitly cooperated to make symbolic gestures to foil US attempts, like “arranging” shelling/bombing of islands to declare the continued civil war, but doing so only at pre-determined times to prevent casualty on both sides.

    4. After Deng opened up China in the 1980s, there was serious interests in peaceful unification. Deng’s proposal was very generous, he even allowed Taiwan to maintain its independent army. However, US continued to sell arms to Taiwan and provided many incentives and ambiguous promises to prolong the separation. The peaceful efforts went nowhere.

    5. US continued its propaganda within Taiwan and asserted its political influences. The last few decades see the surge of independent groups in the island.

    Chinese are of course aware of the series of vile efforts. As a result, there are likely millions of Chinese who are willing to sacrifice their lives to take back Taiwan. Furthermore, they are also smart and patient enough to ensure they have advantages in every fronts (e.g. militarily, technologically, numerically, intelligently, psychologically…) in the potential war.

    If American wants to avoid a world war, or potential genocide of America soldiers, they should at least spend 3 minutes to understand Chinese side story before beating the war drum, or to support the “democratic” Taiwan.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  42. Dumbo says:

    I have no idea about the exact history of Taiwan, but it doesn’t matter to me one way or another who keeps it. If we were talking about Tibet, which is not Han and not Chinese, then I could see an issue (but no one cares about Tibet). But Taiwan is Chinese, full of Chinese people.

    I would compare it to the Falklands in Argentina, except the Falklands is actually populated by Brits (or descendants of Brits).

    So the more apt comparison is North Korea vs South Korea. The division here is political, not ethnic, and originating from Cold War issues. One under Chinese control, the other under Western control.

    Some people just really, really like war, I guess.

    • Replies: @anon
  43. Franz says:

    Why is Taiwan even an issue?

    Because too many Americans vote Democrat.

    Because too many Americans vote Republican.

    All Americans must Stop Voting.

    Make the political weasels make it a Law To Vote (like Australia).

    So we can challenge the law and ask WHERE’S THE CHOICE?

    Expose the Uniparty — by any means. Stop Voting!

  44. BluEidDvl says:
    @Marshal Marlow

    That may well be. The “Taiwanese” ARE ethnic Han. The technology angle would certainly be a boost though. With that near monopoly they could call the shots. A mixture of ethnic cohesion with economic dominance..

  45. @Reg Cæsar

    Where are the indigenous rights people? Earth to U.N…

    Indeed, where are the indigenous rights?

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/sinophobia-lies-and-hybrid-war/#comment-4192007

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  46. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    This is how a dying empire can live on
    (and the few things it can be appreciated for):

  47. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

    Was Gorby the Neville Chamberlain of Russia?

    He believed the promise that NATO wouldn’t move one inch eastward.

    Was Gadaffy the Neville Chamberlain of Libya?

    He believed the West would offer peace if he offered up his WMD.

    And the hoax about Assad’s gas attacks was the Mukden Incident and Gulf of Tonkin all over again.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Mukden_Incident

  48. Andreas says:

    America is not a serious country, and its fixation with censorship has ensured that there can never be any form of seriousness injected into any discussion. Instead of talking about actual reality, the media and the political class argue about fantasies with only abstract connection to physical realities.

    This is what a “dying empire” looks like.

    The reunification of Taiwan with China is only a matter of time. And it will likely happen within the next few years at most. The “leadership” in the US has neither the will nor the competence to do anything about it. It’s best to just let Taiwan go.

  49. Half-Jap says:
    @AKAHorace

    It’s a close call between Cali or mainland China…..but I’d pick the latter. At least it’s not Cali.

    Anyways, Taiwan definitely has kept the old culture, not having their ‘four olds’ trashed like on mainland.
    It’s a charming place worth a long visit, and it’s delightful to experience the difference.

    If anyone likes dogs, Taiwan has them running around freely all over the place, mostly not feral.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  50. Rich says:

    Taiwan isn’t worth one drop of American blood, but what are Americans now? We are no longer a people with a common heritage or culture, we’re supposed to be based on an “idea”. And the idea is getting pretty ugly, homosexuality, abortion, mammon worship. We aren’t pretty anymore. That being said, the Anglo-Zionist ruling class knows that the day they lose reserve currency status is the day the real trouble begins. That’s the reason for foreign adventuress, saber rattling and huge mic spending. Imagine a people aa divided as “Americans” without the privilege of spending unlimited amounts of money on trinkets and entertainment? The day the US stops ruling the world is the day it gets very bad here.

  51. antibeast says:

    As the Biden Administration cuts defense spending in lieu of more infrastructure and welfare spending, the Pentagon now wants to sell more US-made weapons to Taiwan as an alternative source of marginal revenue for their clients in the US military-industrial complex. Following the AUKUS deal with Australia, the US Deep State needs to coerce US allies such as Taiwan to become new customers for US-made weapons.

    That’s all there is to it.

  52. Ace says:

    We already betrayed the Republic of China once. Let’s do it again.

  53. Ace says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    That would make the “path to citizenship” crowd unhappy.

    50 years!

  54. Someone posted a link to an online book awhile back, quick, free read, about a war between a fed-up alliance of China and Russia vs. the U.S. in a naval war. A sub got sunk, then cruisers, finally a U.S. carrier, her fighters all shot down, was struck and disabled near Japan IIRC. Our military was exposed for the hollowed out husk that it is, a thieving entity designed to bilk,. All plausible. We sued for peace, it was granted with some face-saving concessions and it did not go nuclear.

    As usual, I can’t remember or find the link or title, but I know I found it here. Author was a guy (with connections to Jane’s or some such) who knows what he’s talking about. Might have been a commenter here or maybe Giraldi posted it. I’d read it again if I could find it. With each passing week it becomes more relevant. Anyone remember it?

    Anglin, good takes.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  55. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The thought that any end-stage Exceptionalist fascist thinks that China would suffer ‘humiliating defeat’ in a defensive war with the USA, in China’s own territory, is ludicrous.

    If you’re old enough, recall those far-off days of 2002-2003. As the United States and allies/vassal-stooges were about to invade Iraq over what was clearly a non-sensical pretense, many countries raised objections.

    Three in particular were France, Russia and China.

    The standard diplomatic line was that the French were just being obstructionist, but that Russia and China were afraid of being subject to regime-change themselves. (Let us not forget the assured corollary of regime-change – the huge jubilant crowds pouring into the streets, cheering on the American/Allied liberating armies).

    Yes, the diplomats and their media cohorts were actually referring to Russia and China as these vulnerable Third World nations whose governments existed at the pleasure of NATO.

    Even back then, I could not believe the naivete, delusion and hubris of our “leaders”. No one told these idiots that Desert Storm 1991 (remember that?) would not translate to any kind of win against such powerful nations, even leaving international ethics aside. That was back in 2003.

    Now? After the Afghanistan fiasco, and the bloody stalemates in Iraq and Syria?

    We would have to conclude that the regimes in Washington and London are nothing less than suicidal.

  56. @IronForge

    Wen Ho Lee and that Navy officer are also from Taiwan. Didn’t stop them from spying for China.

    • Replies: @IronForge
  57. Che Guava says:

    Maybe Andre sometimes does read comments here.

    Taiwan remains the pretender govt. of all China, as I have stated several times before.

    An earler 2000s govt. there wanted to change this, but had to back down.

    Historically, one may draw four groups in Taiwan, or, as the Portuguese had it, presumably from the aboriginal population, Formosa.

    During the Ming and Qing dynasties, the aboriginal population (ethnic Malay, it seems)was slowly driven from the coast to the interior by Han immigrants. They are a small minority now.

    Japan’s empire started with the Ryukyu kingdom, but after the Sino-Japanese war of mid-1890s, Taiwan became the major territory outside home islands.

    Some of the Chinese were anti-Japan, some not. My closest old lady friend is from Taiwan, and always carries a photograph of her father in Imperial Army uniform in her purse.

    After the CPC won the civil war, the nationalists were helped by the USA to escape to Taiwan in 1949, which they declared the Republic of China.

    They had to murder many ethnic Chinese in the early days. I do not have detailed knowledge of why, AFAIK, it was just people demonstrating and going on strikes against people they saw as invaders.

    The PRC bitches and moans about art treasures the KMT took to Taiwan, but they are generally in state museums of the RoC, so the PRC owes them a debt of gratitude, much or most would have been destroyed in the ‘Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution’ otherwise.

  58. Blodgie says:

    The best part of being in the military is you don’t have to do this kind of thinking yourself.

    If a civilian leader decides you are going to war to protect Taiwan, then that’s what you will do.

    You might not like it, but you will still obey because that is who you are and what you signed up for.

    If you are killed over there, well you died for your country and isn’t that like the best thing a man can do?

  59. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I live in Hong Kong and I know exactly what started the riots and terrorism.

    The US will pay for it someday. Meanwhile, keep hyping yourselves up for a proper war. Keep projecting your psychology on to us. Keep doing what you are doing.

    • LOL: Che Guava
  60. Biff says:
    @fitzhamilton

    They want to intimidate, manipulate and dominate us, but I for one am not afraid of them.

    Actually, you sound terrified.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Troll: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @fitzhamilton
  61. @Derer

    The well educated and sophisticated commenter “Chinaman” though the CCP would have no qualms about more than shooting at fellow Chinese on Taiwan. He thoughthey might make a ruthless Maoist calculation and decide that it didn’t matter how many they killed. And he had become a supporter of the CCP. But perhaps you have private assurances from President Xi that he’ll only be bluffing when he threatens an all out invasion.

  62. Yee says:

    Ace,

    We already betrayed the Republic of China once. Let’s do it again.

    Americans have great love for the rich and powerful, so they’ve always supported countries which the ruling class owns everything, like the 4 big families that owned half of China at the ROC era…

    • Replies: @Ace
  63. If China invaded Taiwan they would have to fight India, the U.S., Japan and probably Australia. That would lead to the collapse of the CPC.

    The Maoists around Xi are deliberately collapsing China’s private economy in order to keep the CPC in power. In 1911 5% of China’s population was urban. Today China is 62% urbanized. The Red Guards will return in different clothes to maintain control. China’s threatening posture towards Taiwan is an attempt to disguise it’s weakness.

    Post WW2 wealth gains around the world were built on population growth. It’s a race to the bottom now as declining birth rates will tank global economies. India, Russia and the U.S. will rebound eventually but China will be down for decades.

    China has 18.5% of the world’s population but only 7% of the world’s water. 70% of China’s water is polluted. Massive food imports will be needed to feed China’s population but they’re running out of cash. Rising wages have made China less competitive in world markets. It’s over. China is finished. Widespread starvation coming to China in 1-3 years.

    America must protect its aquifers and keep them clean. Invasion from the global south does the opposite and Democrats (and many Republicans) should pay the price for letting it happen. The Ogallala aquifer that provides 30% of the irrigation water used by U.S. agriculture was 3% depleted in 1960, 31% depleted in 2012 and will be ~69% depleted in 2060.

  64. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Even the suggestion of war with China reeks of egregious anti-semitism! How can you even think of diverting endless money and military resources away from Israel’s mission to genocide the entire Middle East?

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
    • LOL: Ace, W
  65. @Colin Wright

    I agree that making it too expensive for the CCP and Xi to conquer Taiwan is key. Do you know of any good writing about how that can be done. My imagination runs to mines and missiles deep in the sea which are virtually impossible for an enemy to defang could be part of it. Also hidden sources on the mainland of bioweapons .

    I doubt if Xi would take the risk of causing massive losses in the course of recovering a lost province.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  66. Realist says:
    @Marshal Marlow

    And you know how China went about solving the sanction problem? It made a policy decision to develop its own domestic semiconductor tech stack that will be entirely independent of western supplies. To that end it established several research centres training thousands of scientists and engineers specialising in semi-conductor manufacture.

    Yes, the fact that on average the Chinese have a higher IQ than the populace of the U. S., plus the fact that the Chinese leaders are strong advocates of meritocracy, will be a big help in the advancement of their independent chip development. They will leave the U. S. in the dust.

    In short, China doesn’t want Taiwan for its technology. China wants Taiwan simply because it’s a province of China.

    Exactly

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
  67. @mulga mumblebrain

    Do you have any sympathy for the people of Taiwan only a fairly small minority of whom would prefer to be riled by the CCP as part of China? I personally, having Scottish and English (as well as Irish) ancestry, would prefer Scotland to remain in a union which has existed for very much longer than any common rule over Taiwan by the mainland government. Yet Scots were given a vote on it. Is it acceptable that 25 million people in a self-govrrning democratic polity should be coerced into giving up their preferred way of government? If so, what is your reasoning?

  68. Yee says:

    Franklin Ryckaer,

    Right now China is in a hubristic mood. It not only claims Taiwan, but the whole South China Sea and territoria from almost all its neighbors: Mongolia (entirely!), Russia (Vladivostok), and parts of both Koreas, islands of Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, parts of Myanmar, India and 40% of Tajikistan

    Actually, PRC China have no land border dispute with any country except India and Bhutan. Since Bhutan is a de facto colony of India, which has not been allowed to establish diplomatic relation with China, there’s no way to settle the dispute.

    It’s the Republic Of China Americans want to protect that claim all those lands in foreign countries.

    • Replies: @Rahan
    , @Che Guava
  69. Realist says:
    @fitzhamilton

    Also, the idea that Taiwan is “just a part of China” is risible. A large percentage of the population isn’t even ethnically Han Chinese.

    As an immigrant population, the majority (>95%) of Taiwanese are of Han Chinese ancestry, whereas ∼2% are of aboriginal ancestry (Austronesian) (1). The Taiwanese Han Chinese population can be divided into Min-Nan (also known as Holo), Hakka and Mainlanders according to their geographic origins

    Besides this, the act of violently annexing Taiwan would unite a large part of the world against China. Japan, India, Malaysia, Indonesia and Australia – all of whom have a whole lot of skin in this game, far more then the U.S, does – already have a potential strangle hold over Chinese sea lanes, all on their own without the U.S. Navy, and that vaunted Silk Highway across Asia can be clipped at dozens of junctures. No coal, no oil, no Chinese economy. Game over.

    You definitely suck up U. S. propaganda…and live in a dream world.

    They want to intimidate, manipulate and dominate us, but I for one am not afraid of them.

    On what actions by China do you base your claim?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  70. Che Guava says:
    @Biff

    Excuse me, the ‘troll’ label was an accident, I enjoyed your comment.

  71. @CelestiaQuesta

    – The American psyche is akin to a man desperately trying to prove
    he is not impotent (after getting ass-reamed by a freaking moped gang).
    The navel-gazing after Vietnam was a distictly healthier reaction;
    I say bring back the draft – war is neither a feetsball nor a video game.

  72. Andrew, for being relatively young, you are a damn smart guy. Just saying.

  73. @Cookie Boy

    Did it collapse into its own footprint, probably due to heat from the fire weakening the steel structure?

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  74. “Why is Taiwan even an issue?”

    Let China scratch our balls and we won’t piss on it over Taiwan but it must get out of the East Turkmenistan, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria and last but not least, Tibet.

    • Troll: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Weaver
  75. @Wizard of Oz

    Is it acceptable that the 5 million people in the democratic polity of Scotland should be interfered with by the USA? If not, what is your reasoning regarding the Chinese province of Taiwan?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  76. @fitzhamilton

    – I will not go into the German territorial claims (depending on whether
    you are a 1848 – like yours truly – or 1937 – kleindeutsch – legitimist)
    but East Germany (“Poland” and Königsberg), Sudetenland, Austria and
    South Tyrol are indisputable.

    If then the Formosans are so always-sovereign and not-Han, what do you propose
    they do with the invading Kuomintang hordes and their “national” museum?

  77. Weaver says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How to win, exit. It works everywhere. If China’s neighbors are frightened, they can form their own alliance to counter China.

    Scotland is a UK matter. How the US can win there, exit. Ask me another one. Keep in mind, when the US gets involved, it tends to want open borders and boys in girls’ bathrooms.

    Cuba is more concerning to US security. The US needs to normalise relations with Cuba by exiting Cuba.

  78. reading says:

    Mr.. Thou art not pious!

    Taiwan is the Crete island of the crusade for democracy and freedom, the front line of the holy war.

    You question that. You question freedom. Democracy?

    You’re a heretic. You need a gentle roasting.

    Just kidding. If I offended you. I apologize in advance.

  79. Weaver says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    Tibet is sad. However, it looks like a strategic move. I don’t think China will give it up.

    Again though, if someone has an issue with China, that is for its neighbors to resolve. There’s no reason the US should jump in.

    The US should perhaps give Hawaii back, Guam, remove countless bases. China can play that game as well. Currently, the US is attempting to murder millions in Syria, Yemen, Venezuela via sanctions. Who will stop the US?

    Do you believe Syrians should be forced to move to Europe, just to eat? Should Syrians be forced, essentially at gun point, to convert Europe to Islam? The US, currently, says, yes. That needs to stop. Europe should not be forced to convert to Islam by the US.

  80. Weaver says:
    @fitzhamilton

    There are two choices, just as there are two genders. Does the US go to war over Taiwan, or not?

    The best argument against war includes that the Taiwanese themselves see themselves as part of China. They want unity, just want their own government in charge of China.

    If they decide to secede, that’s their business. If the US “fights for them,” then the US will control what they do. To be free, truly free, the Taiwanese need to do this themselves. Furthermore, if the US jumps in and then backs down to China, your empire will look even weaker.

    Imagine if China decides to arm Cuba. China can make plenty of trouble for the US, if it decides to. It’s best to stay out. War is not some game. It is fully within US interests to stay out.

    The CCP likely wants the US to unite China under the CCP by bullying China. The best way to win, from any possible America First vantage, is to stay out. Stay out, stay out, stay out. America only wins when the interventionists in charge of the US are voted out of power.

  81. @Half-Jap

    Taiwanese are a civilized people unlike the crude Chinese.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @picture111
  82. Rahan says:
    @Yee

    It’s the Republic Of China Americans want to protect that claim all those lands in foreign countries.

    People keep mixing up the Republic of China with the People’s Republic of China.

    It’s like they can’t process that it’s the little island that wants to take over all of that.

    • Replies: @Ace
  83. The despicable American regime currently in power presently holds “thought crime” political prisoners and is waging a very provocative war of designed injustice against Free Americans hoping to goad them into an action (or an overreaction) for which they will be so immediately crushed and their liberies flushed. I could give two fucks about any of those gooks fighting over an island. Go fight about it. Real Americans have the own enemies right here and their own interests to defend against overt totalitarianism.

  84. Che Guava says:
    @Yee

    Also, do not forget the Indian seizure of Assam and Sikim (I am sure my spelling of the latter is wrong) but India seized both places that the British had treated as independent places.

    It is not a joke.

  85. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’ll have a go.

    Here’s the reasoning, and it is valid in my opinion.

    All of a people’s territory belongs to all of the members of that polity. No territory can be fenced off as being under the jurisdiction solely of a given government, in opposition to the chosen government of the people as a whole.

    That hypothetical jurisdiction, for example California or Texas, would then be de facto a separate entity. De facto, indeed, but not de jure. Americans as a whole would be under no obligation to legally accept the splitting away of any part of the country, however true in practice it may become.

    The physical territory of California or Texas is the homeland of all Americans everywhere, and all may, if they so chose, move to those regions and be subject not to the legal jurisdiction of California or Texas, but that of their chosen national government, that of the United States.

    The entity called the United States, for as long as it has vast swathes of support (thoroughly undeserved support perhaps, and based on lies and violence) would reserve the legal right to re-assert de facto rule over any wayward territory.

    This is not to say that the United States has any right whatsoever to force the actual populations of California or Texas to live under its regime. Not in the least.

    The people of California or Texas should be absolutely free to leave those lands, and to migrate where the rule of Washington does not extend. Thus, the inhabitants of California or Texas retain their inherent right to decide their fates for themselves, and are under no obligation to remain within the jurisdiction of the chosen government of the Americans – the regime called the United States of America.

    Apply this same logic to all political entities equally. India, Brazil, Russia, the United States, Canada, Australia, . . . and China as well.

    In fact, the modus vivendi, as formulated by the Shanghai Communique of 1972 is perfect for preserving the long-term peace.

    To summarize:

    Taiwan will never declare de jure independence, and for as long as that holds true, China will never invade. Taiwan is considered, by the United States, as an inalienable part of China, and the United States has no obligation under any circumstances to recognize a Taiwan declaration of its independence, nor to support it in any way. In fact, without stating so, China undertakes not to use military force to bring Taiwan back into the fold, and uses the legal fiction that in any case, Taiwan has never left the fold in the first place.

    And so everyone has prospered jointly for decades. Everyone has maintained these fictions, and unless some party with a distinct lack of long-term strategic perspective, someone not agreement-capable, decides to play short-sighted political games in the region, that arrangement can continue indefinitely.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  86. IronForge says:
    @The_MasterWang

    GCE.

    You’ve missed the Point of the Article.

  87. @fitzhamilton

    Saying that China is still Maoist is like saying that the United States is still a free country. Mao died in 1976 and China has changed dramatically from a collectivist society to the world’s largest capitalist economy with vastly more freedoms than they had before. In that same time the US has changed from one of the countries with the most freedom, to a society where the government is forcing people from earning their daily bread if they don’t take poisons into their system. At the rate things are going, it won’t be long before most of the US population will be praying for the Chinese and Russians to invade.

  88. @Vinnie O

    But we need to ensure freedom for Taiwanese trannies to convert young kids to their lovely worldview. Who else but America can defend the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ crowd’s unalienable rights to peacefully spread their ideology? If America fails in this self-imposed duty, then it is not the country I was born in and it is not the country I am going to die in. (thank you, Kevin Costner)

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  89. Golly fellas, we better appease those commies now, or they might send us another CCP flu. You think they might take some other island in exchange for leaving Taiwan alone… I dunno… How about Puerto Rico!

  90. @JLK

    I’d like to know how our media stays so lock-step on just about every controversial issue and calls itself free

    lol

    You’d like to know that, would you ?

    And you really don’t ((( already know ))) ?

    Stick around, kid.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  91. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually there is a good reason for a nuclear war with China. To get rid of the US government, hopefully. When a military position is being overrun by an enemy an artillery strike is sometimes called for on one’s own position as a desperate measure to pull off a victory in the jaws of defeat. The situation in the US argues that such a call for a strike on one’s own position is sorely justified for all who hate the turn of events there.

    As for Taiwan who owns it? I believe it belonged to the Republic of China when Chiang Kai Shek and the Kuomintang abandoned the mainland. Why should it now belong to the CCP? Ownership goes to those with the most guns when they prove they have the most guns. The question really turns on one’s own interests at the moment the decision is made. I have given a reason above for a US war with China over Taiwan which has nothing to do with Taiwan or China.

  92. @Old Brown Fool

    (Disclaimer: I was not born in America, nor intending to move there)

  93. Fred777 says:

    Perhaps Max Boot and the other Washington neocons will lead the troops on the ground in this coming battle with China?

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  94. @A Half Naked Fakir

    Civilized people pulling down statues of racist crude thugs:

  95. Chinky chinky booooring. God’s humor is on display with Slick Willy’s dirty pee hole. He must like peeing when it burns to let it get that far.

  96. jsinton says:

    I’m convinced the real purpose of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan from a US-Globohomo perspective is to create a pretext to sanction and decouple the CCP from the Western commerce system. A CCP invasion of Taiwan, whether it is successful or not, would create the necessary pretext to sanction the Chinese out of the Western based system. US actions look more like provocation to me. I don’t think they intend to stop an invasion. That means the intent is to decouple the banking system, the oil system. Sanction of food deliveries. Sanction imports of Chinese goods. And on and on. US-Globohomo world could care less about Taiwan other than losing the IC chip capability, but the effect on Mainland China would be catastrophic. US corporations would have to find someplace else with cheap labor slaves. This would effectively blunt the Chinese drive to dominate the world and Globohomo world would remain king.

  97. Weaver says:
    @Beobachter

    Puerto Rico will likely vote Dem if granted US statehood. Were China to take it, that might push the US towards GOP, which might or might not be a good thing.

  98. @Wizard of Oz

    I remember mixed-race (Serb-Croat) Yugoslavs uttering that sentiment,
    and I shared their opinion on an altogether senseless border going back
    to the division of the goddamned Roman Empire.
    (Truth be told no one can abide the Serbs, to the point the Bosniaks preferred
    worshipping carpets – the literal meaning of the local balja for Muslim –
    to being bossed over by wild-eyed orthodox psychos).
    However, that´s the entire point – without outside meddling the problem either would not exist or a solution would have been found long ago.

    As for Scotland, Northumbria and Cornwall my money is on secession
    (as idiotic as partitioning an island is) – Brexit only serves the City,
    and the rest of Airstrip One will be thrown to the Paki rape gangs.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Wizard of Oz
  99. @Adam Grant

    lol

    Perhaps you’re talking about China, Taiwan, India etc on some distant replica earth.

    There’s no other way any single word of what you’ve said makes any rational sense.

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Adam Grant
  100. @Badger Down

    No, that was strictly a one-off Fireworks special, arranged at very great cost by our ever-caring Sponsors and honest, kindly, hard-working globalist Gangmasters.

  101. Maddaugh says:

    I hope the head of the Chinese General Staff will inform our Mandrill look alike General Floyd Dustbin that China plans to invade Taiwan. You know, Quid Pro Quo. With sufficient notice, we can round up and deport all Chinese from the US. Australia can also do the same starting with Mumbo Jumbo Jumblebrain.

    Indians, with their H1 visas will also want to return to India to enlist, another sweet side effect.

    In addition, if we decide to rumble all those young male refugees flooding the southern border can be rounded up and inducted. They would make ideal cannon fodder but mainly it helps us kill 2 birds with one stone. First we clean them out and second no immigrant is going to want to sneak over the Rio Grande knowing they are going to be Shanghaied (no pun intended) into the Army.

    Lets rumble, the perfect excuse to do a thorough house cleaning, take out all the trash so to speak. All the money we save in Welfare and other benefits can be used to pay whites reparations.oops I meant a tax refund. LOL

    Note to Floyd Dustbin: Dont forget your Ghetto Gangsters. Their martial skill will come in useful in any conflict with China.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  102. Maddaugh says:
    @Fred777

    LOL.

    As soon as the action starts, I will enlist in the Biden Brigade. With Field Marshall Joe in the vanguard hobbling on his crutches and Hunter as his Chief of Staff, we will toke up, snort up, shoot up and sweep all before us in a stunning Blitzkrieg to Beijing.

    • LOL: Fred777
    • Replies: @Fred777
  103. Yee says:

    Che Guava,

    Also, do not forget the Indian seizure of Assam and Sikim

    yes. Had Sikkim not annexed by India, it would have been one more neighbour that have no border dispute with China.

    Ironically, the Sikkim-China border is the only settled section of China-India border.

    • Thanks: Che Guava
  104. Rahan says:

    The article gives a quick, slanted and false outline

    I see what you did there, Andrew. Slanted indeed:)

  105. @Badger Down

    I can’t answer that without knowing what you mean by interference. And I can’t see the relevance. You seem to be saying that because the United States “interferes” in some way that you object to in Taiwan it is OK for the CCP to force its rule on the unwilling people of Taiwan. Really?

    • Replies: @Weaver
  106. Weaver says:
    @nokangaroos

    Secession might be best for Scotland and England. They could later rejoin, and Scotland might decide to reject mass immigration if dealing with its own lands. The English could then reject mass immigration in their lands. The sooner the better, if that strategy is to work.

    The anti-UK people want to break the UK up, to weaken it, to make it depend on the EU. However, they can always rejoin. And opposing mass immigration is most important.

  107. Can’t win against warriors in sandals and you want to dare China? The laughingstock army of the USA will get ass whipped real good. Come on yankee! We dare u, we double dare you. Make our day!!!

    • Troll: Automatic Slim
  108. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “It [China] not only claims Taiwan, but the whole South China Sea and territoria from almost all its neighbors: Mongolia (entirely!), Russia (Vladivostok), and parts of both Koreas, islands of Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, parts of Myanmar, India and 40% of Tajikistan. ”

    CIA training courses that teach lying and attended by Pompeo, seem like very low quality. American taxpayers need to ask for refund.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  109. China holds so much US debt, when they finally do decide to collect it, the US will give them Taiwan, all the States west of the Rockies, Virginia, and Maryland, the Chinese already own Washington DC.

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  110. Weaver says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The US is currently starving millions with trade sanctions. It lied its way into the Iraq War, killed a million people (just 1 war), and now can’t explain why the war was good or necessary. Iran is supposedly an opponent of the US; Iran is now influential in Iraq. The US is also an open ally of al Qaeda and similar radicals, the very people who attacked America on 9/11. Syria fights al Qaeda; the US fights Syria. The US also aids terrorist Kurds, who attack Turkey, not that Turkey is some model.

    Why would anyone want such an evil empire to intervene in another country? For the sake of Taiwan, keep the evil empire out. If Taiwan has another evil empire to deal with, let the Taiwanese and their neighbors deal with it.

    The US has major problems currently. The Founders are seen as racist. Antifa is running wild. The mass media lies. Drug companies and defence industries are overly powerful. Our elections are fake. Social media is little better than the mass media. Our borders are open. The spending and trade deficits are huge, and debt is significant at many levels within society.

    We need to first not be evil before we should even consider bombing more of the world. We are not a shining city on a hill. The city is burning.

    “Oh, let’s spend another trillion on Taiwan.” Let’s not. The tax and spend freedomites need to stop wasting money.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  111. @Colin Wright

    If the US were to sever ties with China in all trading, where do you think the bulk of US consumer goods will come from?

    The US financial types purposely hollowed out the manufacturing sector in the US for the profit that lower Chinese and other wages offered. It’s not like the US corporations really had a choice once the first corp went off shore. To stay competitive in price, they too had to get lower labor costs, and off shore was the only way to get them. People love to blame those evil corporation, but don’t think far enough to realize they were forced into it by the ridiculous cost of doing business in the US thanks to the Fed Gov and myriad other gov’t that all want to set rules that have high compliance costs.

    The US should mind it’s own business, shrink the military to 10% of what it is now and finally return the “peace dividend” that was promised decades ago to the US working population. Better yet, cancel the damned Fed Gov and all its insanity and reduce the cost of gov’t to only what’s left, thus saving even more and making it possible for the US to become a low cost labor jurisdiction while simultaneously raising living standards once the leaches in the Fed Gov are eliminated.

    • Agree: Agent76, Realist
  112. The Ogs says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This unfortunate map makes Greenland appear to be the same size as Africa.
    When in fact Africa is some 14 times larger…
    (Not the OP’s fault I know. Just sayin’!)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  113. @Dave Bowman

    If what I said doesn’t make “any rational sense” to you that is because you lack factual information and/or you aren’t rational. My information comes from Gregory R. Copley, Western civilization’s greatest strategic thinker. Copley has told me to call him “anytime.” Yesterday a five time president of Iceland gave me his personal phone number and told me to call him “anytime.” Maybe I’m operating at a higher level than you.

    Would have laughed when Stefan Possony predicted in 1973 that the USSR would fall apart in the early 1990’s? That prediction was made possible by Greg Copley’s research. Here’s a 15 year old bio for Copley:

    http://www.artofvictory.com/Author.htm

    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Coag
  114. Yee says:

    Wizard of Oz,

    it is OK for the CCP to force its rule on the unwilling people of Taiwan. Really?

    Sure it is OK. They can be ruled by a government and hate it at the same time… I’m sure plenty of Americans are doing just that.

  115. Agent76 says:

    Oct 15, 2021 Taiwan & “Independence” – a dangerous delusion…

    This week, Angelo and I talk about recent provocations against Beijing regarding Taiwan, including increased war propaganda, the presence of US troops on Taiwan, and what this means for the near to intermediate future.

  116. Ace says:
    @Yee

    Except that “we” didn’t have respect for the rich and powerful of Nationalist China. “We” sold them out by ensuring that the Nationalist army was starved of ammunition and that they were prevented from taking care of Mao in the northeast. Stillwell wanted Chiang to use the best Chinese troops to fight the Japanese in SE Asia and Chiang would have none of it knowing where the real threat to him was. Marshall forced Chiang into a “coalition government” with the communists who’d done little to help fight the Japanese who were all over China.

    Read James Perloff’s excellent article on that tragic episode of American slobbering over communists.

    The American elite has, in point of fact, prostituted itself before whatever foreigners washed up on our shores with a fistful of cash. Political influence and domination by the ultra wealthy anywhere and everywhere is the way of the world, not least right here in The Exceptional Country. It’s curious that you take this to be a particularly American failing.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  117. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Is it acceptable that ,,, people in a self-govrrning democratic polity should be coerced into giving up their preferred way of government?”

    But, but, but, …

    “On 8 April 1933, … 68% of the 237,198 voters voted in favour of secession of Western Australia…. The United Kingdom House of Commons… refused to consider the matter, …”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionism_in_Western_Australia

    “… there is wide-spread support among Tasmanians for independence…”

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~rwatson1/tasindependence/

    and the Australian Aboriginals…

  118. @fitzhamilton

    ‘…The Maoists know this, which is why they are huffing and puffing with such vigor, striking such violent poses. They want to intimidate, manipulate and dominate us, but I for one am not afraid of them.’

    Indeed. I tend to compare China to a tough and unscrupulous business rival across town.

    You’ve to watch them, and if necessary make it clear that if they step on your toes, you will retaliate — but no one said you had to firebomb the owner’s house. This isn’t totaler Sieg. China’s not crazy. They’re not even especially belligerent. Just greedy, barbarous, and cruel.

  119. @Beobachter

    ‘Golly fellas, we better appease those commies now, or they might send us another CCP flu. ‘

    You know, that reminds me. One of the possibilities I’m open to is the Corona Virus was released as a shot across the bows, so to speak.

    ‘Look what we can do.’ Not really weaponized yet, but (as we’ve seen) virtually impossible to combat. So back off.

  120. Pindos says:

    Give notice of first strike nuke to be delivered to israel. Peace.

  121. Fred777 says:
    @Maddaugh

    Ideally, Joe will forget to attack.

    • LOL: Craig Nelsen
  122. “The United States needs to remove the ambiguity about whether it would come to Taiwan’s defense. Uncertainty about U.S. intentions raises the risk of war. … President Biden should declare that, though we will not support a Taiwanese declaration of independence from China, we will defend the island if it is attacked.” — Max Boot, Washington Post

    They chose “Boot” over what – Fist, Hammer, Slaughter?

    I prefer subtler, less graphic, more civilized and refined names. Browning is superb- unequaled, in my opinion. Colt – very nice but unfortunately slightly ambiguous and possibly old fashioned. Lee, unfortunately deprecated, and he backed the wrong side.

    Jackson will always have a nice ring to it, though unfashionable lately. Custer – ah me, when it’s the thought that counts. Grant – unimpeachable. James? Perfection itself, but no way does that foreign neocon dirtbag take the name of our finest renegade outlaw. Never.

    Maybe for the emigre Max – Bull. Yes, brief, evocative, commemorative and descriptive. But Googleyburger is actually perfect. Yes, Googleyburger it is then.

    Max Googleyburger, writing for .. , commented ..

  123. Ace says:
    @Rahan

    I doubt that the government of the Republic of China presently in Taiwan wants to “take over” the mainland. That they want all of China to be a republic — for which they would be the natural template — I have no doubt. Chinese people are pragmatic and would find a workable solution to the problems posed by a failure of the CCP. It’s bizarre to think that they expect to arrive back in China as the new governors.

    Fortunately, whatever is in China’s future, it’s people will not be so stupid as to think of imitating any aspect of our dog’s breakfast of a plutocratic kleptocracy.

  124. Bert33 says:

    Why not ask the Taiwanese what THEY want, instead of the internet geopolitical intellectual working group trying to decide their future for them? They have to live with whatever comes next

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz, W
    • Replies: @d dan
  125. Yee says:

    Ace,

    Except that “we” didn’t have respect for the rich and powerful of Nationalist China.

    You sure sounded resentful at not giving enough US support for the China owned by a handful of rich families…

  126. @d dan

    Not everything is “CIA lies”. China’s territorial claims have been made by Chinese officials themselves. I have seen a video by Indian news service WION (“world is one”) quoting official Chinese publications to that effect, but I can’t find that video anymore.

    Here is another video about that same subject: https://youtu.be/FR7WgKnBTIE

    And here is a video by WION about China’s claim on Vladivostok:

    And yes, that map with parts of Central Asia, the whole of Mongolia and part of Russia already “annexed” by China, was made by China itself.

    You may dislike US imperialism, China is not a shred better.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @denk
  127. @Anonymous

    Americans are certainly entitled to give up on Woodrow Wilson and the right to self determination and take a legalistic point of view. Ironically it is a “rules based international order” that the US and allies are now trying to make China accept. When you are dealing with the people of a country of 25 million people who have developed for over 70 years as a people who identify as Taiwanese more than Chinese might not there be a better answer than the legalistic one that China now wishes to enforce. As you say the old understanding that China would not use force and Taiwan would not declare independence could go on forever except that China is not allowing that and actively hinders Taiwanese relations with other countries as well as threatening the use of force and invading Taiwan’s are space.

    An intelligent utilitarian approach would allow thinking outside the box (all boxes) and just one solution would look to precedents [always best to find a precedent] like the acquisitions of Alaska, Florida and Louisiana where the transfers of sovereignty were contractual transactions. It could be part of a wider agreement by which some of Cjina’s artificial islands in the South China Sea were accepted but without all the rights to claim territorial waters that would follow from them being part of mainland China, and so on with much detail to be agreed.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  128. @nokangaroos

    I don’t think you tuned the neurons this morning, or post siesta. Unequivocally, no one was more against Brexit than most of the City. And your earlier implication that all could be worked out if there was no outside interference won’t work when one side that threatens the other is 55 times larger in population.

    Also there is a key difference from Yugoslavia. Taiwan is an island with no problematic borders or divided communities.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  129. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    (Republished from The Daily Stormer by permission of author or representative)

    you’ll be long knived andrew.

  130. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Not everything is “CIA lies”. ”

    My apology. You are probably too dumb to attend the CIA courses. Even Pompeo seems much smarter than you.

  131. Mark. says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The United States, once upon a time, believed it had a right to claim Canada. It tried invading Canada three times during the war of 1812, and could easily have went to war again over territorial claims covering British Columbia. The Mexican War began over a dispute regarding the proper border of Texas. Would be imperial powers work in this fashion; they always have, and both the US and China are not any different.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @denk
  132. d dan says:
    @Bert33

    “Why not ask the Taiwanese what THEY want…”

    No, the proper way is to ask the 1.4 billion Chinese what they want, and all foreigners to fuck off.

  133. @d dan

    Starting rather late (1960s) Aborigines have got a lot of land which other Australians are excluded from compared with anything even thinkable in the 19th or first 50 years of the 20th century. And the problem of your comparison with WA is
    1. They has voted just over 30 years before to accept a deal whereby they vexed only some powers to the federal government but remained a sovereign state within a federation. The legal decision was that they had effectively sold the freehold on those powers, not just a term.

    2. It was about naked self-interest over money. There was no separate ethnicity or culture.

    3. There was no question of changing the system of government or of law unlike the Chinese case . As note above it was about money.

    Any suggestion of Tasmanian independence is a joke. It is the most heavily subsidised state.
    The only relevance to Taiwan is that it is an island about 100 miles from the mainland.

    • Replies: @d dan
  134. @Mark.

    “…Would be imperial powers work in this fashion; they always have, and both the US and China are not any different…”

    Yes, that’s what I’m saying, but Mr. d dan (see comment #132) is too stupid to understand that. He thinks that because the US is at fault therefore anything negative about China must be a lie, made by the CIA of course. Typical black-and-white thinking.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Deep Thought
  135. TKK says:

    Anglin again appeals to base emotions and misleads the reader.

    China has actual
    forced vaccinations…as in the police hold you down and inject you with the vacci
    ne.

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-09-29/forced-vaccinations-china-ethics-covid

    The reason why Taiwan is important is not democracy or other silly ideas. It is their DIGITAL CHIP monopoly . In 2019 they did \$40 Billion in digital chips that power everything from iPhone to Google Nests to Instapots to GPS to FitBits.. The world does not work without those chips.

    China is no friend of the West. His fan boy worship of China is based on his need to be dominated or some other darker nooks of his heart we will not explore.

    If there was one speck of justice in this cruel, putrid world, Bill Clinton would be executed for treason for his replacement of the American middle class manufacturing base with Chinese workers. He changed the entire economy. You can’t blame China for lifting themselves up out of poverty, but to believe the CCP has some warm & fuzzy feelings for adrift white Americans is beyond foolish.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  136. nsa says:

    It’s down to a two way runoff for the most relentlessly platitudinous commenter here between vfw Rich and the clear frontrunner ukie Wiz of Iz. Any other nominations?

  137. Grimace says:

    I think we can all agree that this war will never happen, since General Tso is chicken.

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
  138. I’ve never understood the obsession the Chicoms have for Taiwan. Clearly it’s because there’s a “voice” out there that while it may speak the same language says things and behaves in a manner it disapproves. Really? Get over it. Grow up dammit! Here’s a nation with countless square miles of empty land that could be put to good use but instead of doing the “smart” thing it bloviates and bellows over something that should simply be left alone. This is psychotic. It’s so psychotic that it reads like another tiresome Hollywood script. The same script said by the same cast of actors elsewhere. So where have I seen this before?

  139. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Aborigines have got a lot of land which other Australians are excluded from…”

    But still no nation state?

    “They has voted just over 30 years before to accept a deal, naked self-interest over money,… it was about money. Any suggestion of Tasmanian independence is a joke. It is the most heavily subsidised state.”

    Oh, don’t be an hypocrite. Lots of money is involved about the Taiwan issue too. You are unhappy because PRC refuses to bribe enough people with enough money, within and outside Taiwan.

    Like Colin Wright, you are just a typical racist pig: arrogant, ignorant and hypocritical to the core.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Troll: Colin Wright
  140. @d dan

    The proper way is to consult both parties. For the opinions in Taiwan itself about this matter, see:

    https://jamestown.org/program/taiwan-opinion-polling-on-unification-with-china/

    But now of course you will say that Pompeo has falsified these polls.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Miro23
  141. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:

    When it comes to foreign policy, I increasingly find myself aligned with the progressive left, which is: No More Imperialist Wars! I can no longer relate to the neolibs and neocons a.k.a. self-proclaimed “Centrists” who want nothing but endless wars and endless immigration. It is not surprising that the progressive wing of the DNC – AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Elizabeth Warren are the most viciously attacked by neocon rags like Brietbart (Bernie gets a pass coz he’s a Jew), and are increasingly shut down by the neolibs in the DNC like Schumer, Biden and Pelosi.

    Kamala Harris got in trouble last month giving a speech at NYU, when a student got up and asked her about “Israel’s genocide of Palestinians”, she said “voices like yours have a right to be heard.” And just like that she was labeled an anti-Semite.

    Eff the Ziocon imperialists. Taiwan is none of our business. Leave Asia to the Asians! All I care is that we do not import more of them, and that includes the Subcons and Mideast ragheads.

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
  142. Would General Milley be calling his Chinese counterpart with war plans? Would such adventure not cause disruptions in Christmas shopping for the duration of the war? Will the girls be drafted? What would happen to Amazon and Walmart? So many questions for a mere diverting attention style of political posturing. Finally all changes if Pompeo should be elected. He’s sort of an evil genius type of nuts.

  143. PJ London says:

    Taiwan is sure to want to break with China and align with the US.

    ‘The United States is Taiwan’s second largest trading partner, accounting for 13.2 percent of total trade and 11.5 percent of Taiwan imports. China is Taiwan’s largest trading partner, accounting for 26.3 percent of total trade and 22.2 percent of Taiwan’s imports in 2020.’

    The Taiwanese are happy with the status quo.
    A large number would support unification under some conditions.
    It is very difficult to get realistic feelings from the western media and ‘think tanks’.
    The US and the media create dissension and promote “anti everyone else” wherever they can.
    There is a very different mind-set in China.
    Their ‘long term planning’ is “how will their grand-children and great-grand-children live”.
    The US is “What are we going to do after lunch?”

  144. babu says:

    OMG. Is that last photo of the great Lalo Schiffrin who wrote many memorable themes including the original Mission Impossible?

  145. @Adam Grant

    There’s a problem with an important fact. It is not true that

    Post WW2 wealth gains around the world were built on population growth.

    at least if you mean standard of living.

    Science, technology and, generally, innovation were the key and China has vastly greater numbers of STEM graduates.

  146. @Wizard of Oz

    Well, someone paid for the Brexit campaign – someone with deep pockets
    and a horror of regulations; if that doesn´t scream “banking” I don´t know
    what would.
    Frankly I do not get the Scots; their oil is gone and they envision even more
    immigration (at least on the latter they won´t be disappointed).

    Taiwan´s problem is no one asks them (as in the African proverb “When elephants
    fight the grass suffers”). Were it not for US strategic encroachment China could
    live with the status quo indefinitely.
    The US, let´s face it, have no legitimate business in the West Pac (to include Hawaií) –
    or Europe, for that matter (let them have Airstrip One, if they must).

  147. @Colin Wright

    “They’re not even especially belligerent. Just greedy, barbarous, and cruel.”

    And the US is part of the axis of niceness of course.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  148. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “But now of course you will say that Pompeo has falsified these polls.”

    No, you are wrong again. I trust the polls are 100% accurate, but they are irrelevant.

    You prove again you are dumb, really dumb.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  149. @InnerCynic

    As ever, the most vicious Yankee racists are the dumbest invertebrates imaginable. How dar those ‘chinks’ refuse to obey White Gods like you!

    • Troll: Automatic Slim
  150. @TKK

    The “chip” argument is as weak as the whilom “Saddam would cut off the oil”
    at a time he was desperate to pay off his (Western!) arms suppliers.
    Have the Chinese played games with rare earths (as they easily could)?
    Noooo (the US no doubt would, had they the monopoly).
    What is the worst that could happen? A maybe three-year supply shortage
    in a not really existential sector; if you really needed the high-end stuff
    (for military applications) you could always buy Chinese phones and cannibalize
    them. Again, it´s not gonna happen.

    (And no, I do not believe Winnie the Pooh is Mother Teresa 😀 )

  151. BluEidDvl says:
    @Grimace

    Brilliant!.. thread winner!.. 🤣

  152. @Colin Wright

    Lovely piece of crude projection there, racist.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  153. @Bringoutyourdead

    ‘And the US is part of the axis of niceness of course.’

    I never said that it was. Indeed, being less rational than China, we’re probably more dangerous.

    However, two wrongs don’t make a right. We can do whatever — none of that will serve to justify China’s crimes.

  154. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    It’s a real map from China(PRC I believe), the name of the map is right there in this map in mandarin (let me do the translation since I can read the language): Map of China During Early Qing Dynasty

    What you read from this map: look, China claims lands from all the neighbors

    What I read from the map: history

    Anyway, at least you don’t draw some map by yourself and tell others it’s a Chinese map, at least you don’t PS some claims in mandarin and give a new name to this map. I will give you credit for that.

    But, will you do that if you know the language? You wouldn’t or you couldn’t?

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  155. @fitzhamilton

    Perhaps the most psychopathic, arrogant, self-deluded Sinophobe racist to crawl out from ‘neath its rock-so far. As for the pathetic, puerile, projection of accusing China of behaviour which it is displaying with lunatic abandon-the White Bosses are NOT taking the collapse of their global Empire at all well, are they?

  156. raga10 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The smartest thing for the US to do is to stop its hostile attitude towards Russia (which never made any sense) and lure it away from an alliance with China.

    Agreed. Russia and China are not natural allies – they are frenemies, at best. People forget that Soviets came *this* close to nuking China, and that was back in the 60’s when they were supposedly on the same side…

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  157. @d dan

    “…No, the proper way is to ask the 1.4 billion Chinese what they want…”

    Taiwan inhabitants: 23,570,000. PRC inhabitants: 1,400,000,000.That is 59 times as many. To let the majority of the PRC decide – by sheer numbers – about the fate of a small minority in Taiwan is like letting 59 wolves decide whether to eat one sheep, and then call that “democracy”. The two parties in this conflict should have equal vote. If one party refuses to be devoured, then that should be respected.

    • Agree: raga10
  158. Miro23 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The proper way is to consult both parties. For the opinions in Taiwan itself about this matter, see:

    https://jamestown.org/program/taiwan-opinion-polling-on-unification-with-china/

    Thanks for the link. It’s that ever neglected solution of asking the people involved for their opinion ( e.g. asking parents about Critical Race Theory in schools).

    The Taiwanese want to have a healthy , free and respectful society. They’re ready to work and contribute, so if China offered it to them (under unification) in a straightforward and genuine way they would probably go for it and say goodbye to the ZioGlob Empire. Both China and the US are a risk to the Taiwanese, so the job of China is to offer them a genuinely good deal and abide by it.

  159. Read the history of Taiwan on wikipedia. It says it all (until censored).

  160. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Here is an interview with Taiwan’s foreign minister. I for one can only feel sympathy with the man and his country, not with ruthless, imperialist Mainland China.

  161. Sean says:

    China will be open to giving wide-ranging concessions in exchange for the opportunity at peaceful reunification, and this will allow the West to clear up various unrelated conflicts with China, including on matters of international trade. — Andrew Anglin, Hoax Watch

    So the US ought to give up its advantages, and then China will too? Heaven preserve us from such dreamers!

  162. @mulga mumblebrain

    Non-Whites who see “racists” everywhere suffer from serious inferiority complexes.

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
    • Replies: @d dan
  163. @Realist

    Where will Huawei’s smartphone division be at in a few years ? will that Huawei division have the same market share in 2025 as it held in 2019? I really doubt it, but educate me….

    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Realist
  164. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ” letting 59 wolves decide whether to eat one sheep,”

    They are all Chinese, identical people with identical culture, not wolves and sheep.

    If anything, you are saying one sheep should decide for 59 other sheep, and an outsider wolf like you should set the rules for them all.

    Still very dumb, try harder.

    • LOL: Marshal Marlow
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  165. @Deep Thought

    Do you have evidence that the indigenous Taiwanese are more enamored of the mainland Chinese than are the local Chinese? That’s quite a claim.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Deep Thought
  166. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Non-Whites who see “racists” everywhere suffer from serious inferiority complexes.”

    Whites who see “racist” nowhere suffer from serious superiority complexes.

  167. Some fools suggest we could blockade China’s ports. This would be a disaster for the American economy. It would be easier to blockade our ports to keep out Chinese goods.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  168. TheIdiot says:

    It is difficult to find a nicer people in the South East Asia than the people of Taiwan
    Perhaps the South Koreans could compete, and I have lived and worked with either

    Needless to say that ordinary people in Taiwan genuinly look forward to the inevitable: the end of US occupation and economic dependency , and to reunification with the motherland

    Taiwan today is very much alike to Eastern Germany in 1985-1989, anything else is propaganda
    Good luck to the current and long standing elites of Taiwan, if Eastern Germany is anything to go by

  169. @Maddaugh

    In addition, if we decide to rumble all those young male refugees flooding the southern border can be rounded up and inducted. They would make ideal cannon fodder but mainly it helps us kill 2 birds with one stone. First we clean them out and second no immigrant is going to want to sneak over the Rio Grande knowing they are going to be Shanghaied (no pun intended) into the Army.

    Male illegal aliens from 18 to 25 are already required to register with Selective Service. Would a President even need Congress to reactivate the draft just for them?

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  170. niceland says:

    I wonder when China will send delegations and perhaps few warships to liberate Hawaii from the U.S.

    Just fooling around:

    A firm commitment to defend Hawaii is the best way to prevent an invasion

    China must accept it has nothing to gain from defending Hawaii

    China should maintain its noncommittal position as long as it can

    Hawaii is too important to China interests to let it be taken by the U.S.

    War with the U.S. would pose an existential threat to China

    China has a duty to protect the free world from authoritarianism

    The best way to defend Hawaii is through investment, not military threats

    It would be weird to read something like this in some CCP news organization.

    Anyway this Taiwan issue seems like a wedge between the CCP and Taiwan, created and maintained by the U.S. If I remember correctly the U.S. mostly severed ties with Taiwan when trying to open relations with China in the 80’s. Back then Taiwan independence or political ambitions were trashed for the ‘greater good’. Now the situation has changed.

    If the U.S. would back off it’s likely the Chinese would simply leave Taiwan alone. According to Chas W. Freeman a long time diplomat to China, Taiwan doesn’t see it’s independence via some kind of military solution, but a political one with the CCP. And it’s the Americans pushing weapons on Taiwan than the other way around. According to him – Trumps policy towards China was “dumpster fire”.

    Very interesting interviews with Mr Chas W. Freeman about China can be found here.
    https://supchina.com/podcast/legendary-diplomat-chas-w-freeman-jr-on-u-s-china-strategy-and-history-part-1/

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  171. Corvinus says:

    The U.S. isn’t gong to war over Taiwan. It’s mere posturing by China. Don’t get your knickers in a twist, Andrew.

  172. @Deep Thought

    Anyways, Taiwan definitely has kept the old culture, not having their ‘four olds’ trashed like on mainland.

    Taiwanese are a civilized people unlike the crude Chinese.

    Civilized people pulling down statues of racist crude thugs:

    These are our Maoists and this our Cultural Revolution. We think we’re the ultimate bourgeois society, but that would be Taiwan.

  173. d dan says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “indigenous Taiwanese ”

    I am so, so, very much so touched by your genuine concerns of their rights. Absolutely, 100%, heart-felt and zero doubt. Seriously and positively.

    • Disagree: Jett Rucker
  174. raga10 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    d.dan is a tool of Chinese propaganda; I’m not sure whether he is a paid employee or a true believer but it is clear he’s here to regurgitate Chinese talking points, not to take any other opinions under consideration. I suggest for your own sanity, accept it and move on 🙂

    • Replies: @TheIdiot
  175. @Realist

    An excellent and realistic response to fitzhamilton’s nonsense. I would only add that “the idea that Taiwan is “just a part of China”” was the US position in 1949.

    • Thanks: Realist
    • Replies: @Jett Rucker
  176. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    America maintains control of Taiwan? How? Why?
    Yes, the regime in Taiwan relies on (real or hoped-for) American support, but is that “control?”
    What if the people who live on Taiwan don’t want to be part of the People’s Republic?
    Does anyone care about that? Is anyone in a position to find out, one way or another?
    Of course, alternatives count. I’d hate to be the one to phrase the ballot question, even in my native language, to say nothing of the language(s) the Taiwanese speak.
    And, like the people of (the People’s Republic of) China, the Taiwanese speak various languages. Formosa was even Japanese from 1895 to 1945.

    • Agree: Monotonous Languor
  177. Mylesman says:

    If the DC democrats and rinos are ready to fight the CCP, go for it. Send the FBI over, send Milley’s wokesters, send some lesbian admirals. Send the serial liar jean pissakie, send acclaimed actors like Cuomo, artists like hunter boy, or butt boys like the secretary of TRANSportation.

    Let me know how that turns our

  178. @d dan

    ensure they have advantages in every fronts (e.g. militarily, technologically, numerically, intelligently, psychologically…) in the potential war.

    China has put in place policies that are explicitly eugenic. The US has put in place policies that are explicitly dysgenic. Both were intentional.

    China’s because Chinese leaders are, in fact, Chinese. They have the best interest of the Chinese at heart.

    The USA’s because America’s leaders are not, in fact, American. They do NOT have the best interests of the Americans at heart (see, for example, the execrable Max Boot).

  179. @Weaver

    Tibet WAS sad; it’s much happier now. Just 100 years ago, this was written about Mongolia:

    “Nowhere on earth probably, unless it be in Tibet, is so great a proportion of the population exclusively engaged in the unproductive nonsense of saving its souls. Every first son becomes a lama; if a boy recovers from any serious illness, the parents usually take the vow that he, too, shall don the red or yellow robe; there are many other reasons, among them the dread of labor, fear of hunger, hope of more promiscuous favors from the weaker sex, which add to the crowded ranks of lamas. No census is available, but in Urga almost every other person one meets displays the clipped head and collarless gown, while conservative estimators reckon that fully two fifths of the population of all Mongolia live, in the name of religion, on the exertions of the rest.”

    “Wandering in Northern China”, by Harry A. Franck
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/60047/60047-h/60047-h.htm

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  180. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @Badger Down

    It would seem that the US position changed sometime after 1949. Would you care to document the US positions before and after 1949? I’d be interested. My memory is hazy …

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  181. TheIdiot says:
    @raga10

    So you say

    Trolling for Chinese propaganda is a better pay than trolling for your domestic propaganda

    Are you missing on an honest pay, the one you have not seen in USA since 1980?

    • Replies: @raga10
  182. Hoyeru says:

    The author missed the WHOLE point about Taiwan.
    Taiwan is a red herring, being used by USA as a bait to provoke China into a military conflict which USA thinks will win and/or at least destroy China’s economy, thus stopping China’s rise.
    Simple Game Theory. Make your opponent behave the way you want them to behave. USA successfully used it against Japan in WWII, making Japan attack Pearl Harbor, thus giving USA an excuse to get into WWII.
    Come on.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  183. @Biff

    Yeah. I’m worried about a bunch of things, not one of them is China. The only way China will beat us, is if we defeat ourselves. That’s not unlikely. The only government possibly more sociopathic, reckless, dangerous and venal than the CCP is ours.

    It’s even odds which empire will implode upon itself first, ours or yours “Biff.”

    I’m operating under the presumption that you’re being paid 五毛党 cash for your contribution here, and that your name is probably Xiaobo or something equally euphonious.

    Anyway, I’m not scared. I’m weary and cynical. I’m far more concerned about our own sociopaths than I am about yours. If the CCP ever destroys America, it will because our own elite completely sells us out, then invites you into our own civil war. Even then, you might still get your cans viciously kicked, so be careful, Xi. Tigger can take Winnie the Pooh.

  184. Muitacuca says:

    If there is a nuclear war between the US and China it is very obvious to me that Russia will not sit this one out. They know that if the US somehow prevailed the Russian will be next.

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  185. Hoyeru says:

    oh and beautiful Jean moebius Giraud illustrations BTW.

  186. TheIdiot says:
    @fitzhamilton

    You are totally fucked if and when the Taiwanese people have a free choice, and you know that

    The Taiwanese know they are poorer and smaller than Shanghai

    The Taiwanese know you are the mouthpiece for Rotschield – WAR is your business

    DEATH is your profit

  187. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adam Grant

    Japan,India,Australia,USA and UK are trying to instigate war with China without fighting one . Deals are being made . Profiteering is in overt display .
    India got bruised few times within just last 4 years . China is still occupying lands that it captured 2 years ago .

    Soviet’s fall was not predictable and not inevitable . I have heard Jihadist claims they did . I have heard devout Catholic saying Poland brought it down . ADM Cargill thinks produces brought it down .

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  188. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    The Western Media will claim covid was a bioweapon released by China this January/February when the deaths here really start happening to pep the cattle toward war.

  189. raga10 says:
    @TheIdiot

    Trolling for Chinese propaganda is a better pay than trolling for your domestic propaganda

    You’re probably right about that, and I am definitely for sale if the price is right!

    Just putting it out there 🙂

  190. @Abelard Lindsey

    Read the article. Not impressed. I disagree with him on the American public being weary of war. I say they in fact enjoy it and want a bigger more meaningful one. All it requires to rouse their innate bloodlust is a bit of propaganda. In any case, no anti-war campaign actually managed to prevent a war in the US.

  191. Don’t spend that half dollar all in one place, 蠢猪. A hundred thousand more such inciteful idiocies, you may be able to afford a crappy condo in Kanming city or someplace equally sweet adjacent a re-education camp or organ harvesting facility in Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia.

    Type quick though, 哥们!! Get yourself some of that socialist dream with Chinese characteristics! Get it before they blow all the shoddy crap up to keep it from collapsing on you, before all the graft and corruption collapses your economy ..

    Whatever happens, keep that CCP spirit fresh, man. Keep making friends and influencing people. I truly love your work. It’s so very educational and inspiring.

    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  192. @Muitacuca

    The Russians have no way to tell, when their warning system goes off, if the attack is meant for them or China. And they must make a decision before they can find out.

    Guess what they will choose.

  193. @Sick 'n Tired

    Toy are joking of course but I’m puzzled about the truth you think underlies the joke. China won’t be able to send gunboats to make the big Banana Republic pay up so….. it can sell the debt and take heavy losses and the debtor will be solving its problems in the time tested way of allowing inflation to rob people, including other countries’ central banks.

  194. @The Ogs

    It’s extreme Mercator. We are the ones who should embrace the Gall-Peters projection. Or the Hobo-Dyer. Upside-down, too. Europe’s fate is much clearer:

  195. @Reg Cæsar

    Actually Taiwan does have indigenous people. I don’t know what their numbers are. but they are not Chinese. They are related to the highland peoples in Vietnam called Montagnards. They are a dark skinned people. Then there are Chinese people who came from Fujien province 3-4 hundred years ago, and lastly those who arrived with Chang Kai Shek’s Kuomingtang after Mao took over the mainland.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  196. anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Until we do that — and maybe not even then — saber-rattling on our part will convince nobody and deter no one. It can only lead to a humiliating defeat.

    Therefore, we should instead make it clear that China’s going to find all her trade with us and with our allies gone if she attacks Taiwan. That, we can take convincing measures to make possible, and credibly threaten to follow through on.

    Finally, someone who appreciates the need to stand up to PRC bullying.

    For four decades, both Republican and Democratic administrations have resisted answering the question of whether the United States would come to Taiwan’s defense if China mounted an armed attack. This deliberate ambiguity on the matter helped dissuade China from attempting to “reunify” Taiwan with the mainland, as it could not be sure that the United States would remain on the sidelines. At the same time, the policy discouraged Taiwan from declaring independence—a step that would have precipitated a cross-strait crisis—because its leaders could not be sure of unequivocal U.S. support.

    That was then. This is now. The policy known as strategic ambiguity has run its course. Ambiguity is unlikely to deter an increasingly assertive China with growing military capabilities. The time has come for the United States to introduce a policy of strategic clarity: one that makes explicit that the United States would respond to any Chinese use of force against Taiwan. Washington can make this change in a manner that is consistent with its one-China policy and that minimizes the risk to U.S.-Chinese relations. Such a change should strengthen U.S.-Chinese relations in the long term by improving deterrence and reducing the chances of war in the Taiwan Strait, the likeliest site for a clash between the United States and China.

    • Replies: @Derer
    , @Anonymous
  197. anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    I have no idea about the exact history of Taiwan, but it doesn’t matter to me one way or another who keeps it.

    When the United States severed relations with Taiwan (more accurately, the Republic of China) in 1979 and discarded its mutual defense treaty with the island, Congress passed the Taiwan Relations Act, which made clear that the United States maintained special commitments to Taiwan. The TRA asserted that the United States would “consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States.” It also stated that the United States would both maintain the capacity to come to Taiwan’s defense and make available to the island the arms necessary for its security. Importantly, however, the TRA did not declare that the United States would in fact come to Taiwan’s defense.

    American ambiguity worked to deter China from attacking Taiwan, as Beijing could never be sure what the U.S. response would be. China wanted above all to maintain a peaceful external environment so that it could focus on its economic development. Moreover, even if the United States chose not to engage directly, it had provided Taiwan’s military with enough sophisticated equipment that China’s military would be ill equipped to defeat it. A miscalculation would have imperiled China’s economic development and Chinese Communist Party (CCP) rule.

    Ambiguity had an equally important but often underappreciated effect on Taiwan, which could not be assured of U.S. assistance if it provoked a Chinese assault by declaring independence. When Taiwan tested the limits of what the United States would accept—as it did in the early 2000s, under the administration of Chen Shui-bian—the United States made clear that Taiwan did not enjoy a blank check and could not act with impunity. Ambiguity kept this powder keg from exploding.

    Maintaining this policy of ambiguity, however, will not keep the peace in the Taiwan Strait for the next four decades. Too many of the variables that made it a wise course have fundamentally shifted. China now has the capability to threaten U.S. interests and Taiwan’s future. China’s defense spending is 15 times that of Taiwan’s, and much of it has been devoted to a Taiwan contingency. Chinese planning has focused on impeding the United States from intervening successfully on Taiwan’s behalf.

    Gone are the days when Taiwan’s dollars went further than China’s, as China now fields equipment on a par with anything the United States makes available to Taiwan. Whether the United States could prevail in a Taiwan conflict is no longer certain, and the trend lines continue to move in China’s favor. Unless the United States devotes significant resources to preparing for a conflict in the Taiwan Strait, it stands little chance of preventing a fait accompli. Waiting for China to make a move on Taiwan before deciding whether to intervene is a recipe for disaster.

    Under President Xi Jinping, China has become ever more assertive in advancing its interests. Xi once pledged to U.S. President Barack Obama that China would not militarize the South China Sea, but in recent years, it has done so. The country has imprisoned at least one million of its Uighur minority. It has openly clashed with India along the two countries’ disputed border. It has ramped up military exercises in the Taiwan Strait and intensified efforts to isolate Taiwan internationally. Equally worrisome for Taiwan, China has over the past year stripped Hong Kong of nearly all its autonomy.

    In light of these trends, China’s aim to gain control of Taiwan, through force if necessary, needs to be taken seriously. There is speculation that Xi will marry his ambitions with the new means at his disposal to realize his “China Dream” and force “reunification” with Taiwan, potentially as soon as 2021. No one should dismiss the possibility that Taiwan could be the next Hong Kong.

    Furthermore, deterring Taiwan from declaring independence is no longer a primary concern. Taiwan understands that the United States does not support its independence. President Tsai Ing-wen, a member of the “pro-independence” Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), has adopted cautious and prudent policies to manage relations with China (in close consultation with the United States) and has carefully avoided moves that might cross Beijing’s redlines. The Taiwanese are pragmatic and understand that pursuing independence, which would provoke China, is not in the island’s interest. Accordingly, fewer than ten percent support pursuing independence as soon as possible, and a majority prefer to maintain the status quo rather than risk a war.

    Finally, while some may have questioned whether the authoritarian Taiwan of 1979, ruled under martial law, was worth defending, the island has since blossomed into a robust democracy with regular, peaceful transfers of power. Taiwan became the first place in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage and has one of the freest presses in the region. It has the highest proportion of female legislators in Asia, nearly double that of the United States. In its world-leading response to COVID-19, Taiwan demonstrated its enormous capacity in global health and its generosity in lending a hand to countries that needed it. Taiwan is a vital partner of the United States on a host of global issues, and it is in the United States’ interests to defend Taiwan’s hard-won gains.

    One thing, however, has not changed over these four decades: an imposed Chinese takeover of Taiwan remains antithetical to U.S. interests. If the United States fails to respond to such a Chinese use of force, regional U.S. allies, such as Japan and South Korea, will conclude that the United States cannot be relied upon and that it is pulling back from the region. These Asian allies would then either accommodate China, leading to the dissolution of U.S. alliances and the crumbling of the balance of power, or they would seek nuclear weapons in a bid to become strategically self-reliant. Either scenario would greatly increase the chance of war in a region that is central to the world’s economy and home to most of its people.

    Meanwhile, the 24 million people of Taiwan would see their democracy and freedoms crushed. China would subsume the island’s vibrant, high-tech economy. And China’s military would no longer be bottled up within the first island chain: its navy would instead have the ability to project Chinese power throughout the western Pacific.

  198. @fitzhamilton

    Taiwan is nothing to us, so why start a disasterous war over it? Seriously, didn’t the recent screw up in Afghanistan teach you anything? Or the Brown report that put the price tag of our recent foreign adventures at over \$14 trillion? Taiwan could go red and it wouldn’t affect us very much. Did Vietnam going red affect our way of life? We have way too many problems here to deal with than start another useless major war.

  199. SafeNow says:


    Half the world’s computer chips come from Taiwan. And that percentage really understates the problem because this production is slanted toward complex chips. I suspect this is a large factor in US thinking, behind the scenes.

  200. @fitzhamilton

    Your comment could be construed as typical Deep State projection. Anglin has it right. The Taiwan story is just another hype job to get the rubes to go for the next round of forever wars and trillions of dollars wasted in reality on low priority issues.

    • Agree: Realist
  201. @Weaver

    Thank you for taking the trouble to write about whatever it was you had in mind. Might you turn your mind also to answering my comment?

    • Replies: @Weaver
  202. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    They have all the rights to decide if they want to live in a liberal democratic system and govern thenselfs autonosmously or not , you are nobody to tell them how they should organize thenselfs.

  203. As I have already stated elsewhere, it behooves the United States to first mend island nation issues off its own border. For example Cuban relations. The recent gesture or maneuver by China’s Xi to move their mobile ICBM batteries to Russia’s border must now be scrutinized. This seemingly odd weapons re-deployment brings me to believe that the unspoken heart of the matter is, in reality, Taiwan’s desire for independence. The historical parallels between Taiwan and Cuba cannot be dismissed here. For example; Chiang Kai-shek (a gangster of sorts) departed from China, escaping to Taiwan (at that time Formosa) ; so too did US Sicilian mob enter Cuba in the likeness of one Santo Trafficante, Jr., during a Pre Castro era when the Mob’s fraternity with Fulgencio Batista was strong. My main observation is this, both China and the USA completely mismanaged their historical and political relationships with sovereign Island nations near to their respective “mainlands”. The US tried to crush the Castro movement, as did the CCP against Taiwan’s rising nationalism. That said, our military is in a uniquely strategic position, at Okinawa, to neutralize China’s first line of missile defense. Thus, new geopolitical and maritime threats such as, choking off strategic waterways in the South China Sea, again, the Chinese response was to move ICBM’s as far away from our Japanese bases as they possibly could. This strategy ensures a greater time frame for deciding whether to use-or-lose, or retarget based on incoming attacks by SLBM’s and or launches from Okinawan soil. Current tensions can be negotiated away by agreeing to close a “good portion” of, long-range missile batteries and scrap that new USAF base off Okinawa. In exchange for this offer, Xi would be bound by treaty to a British style, Hong Kong-arrangement for Taiwan’s sovereignty. The Japanese government would breathe a sigh of relief. All sides would save lives, national pride and current military postures in the Indo-Pacific and ASEAN nations. Again, in response, the CCP would do a political U-turn by purchasing additional US T bonds, at the same time raise the price of gold (to pay off some debts). After all, China’s treasury is known to have amassed over thirty-five thousand tons of gold reserves, thus whenever they buy or sell off gold, it is certain to influence a worldwide change in all precious metals-in terms of price discovery. This flood of gold, not in the futures markets such as the bungling incompetence of COMEX gold or other wildly speculative frenzies like Bitcoin et al. but rather in China’s controlled sell off of a real commodity, this may even soften the peaks and troughs economists are predicting for the anticipated hyperinflation/deflation economy just lying in wait for Western nations.

    China and the US can learn a good deal from recent history; just as the USA can never possess Cuba, even tho there are more Cubans in Dade County Florida, than any place on earth (except Cuba), China can never take possession of, or reduce Taiwanese, sovereignty or their spirit of nationalism. If this stated plan succeeds, the hypersonic missiles on both sides can then stand down, EU business entrepreneurs will then begin a greater cooperation with the SCO nations
    and the Belt and Road Initiative will be fully restored (by the elimination of sanctions)

  204. @d dan

    It’s not about a difference of ethnic identity, both parties agree that they are of the same ethnicity. It’s about a difference of regime. Saying that both parties are of the same ethnicity and therefore should unite, regardless of difference of regime, is like saying North and South Korea should unite, with the South also becoming communist, because after all they are one people. Right now the authoritarian regime of Mainland China is not attractive to the Taiwanese.

    • Replies: @d dan
  205. denk says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    China claims Mongolia, Russia, …

    Sick of educating these mug.

    For the 1001 times,

    Read the fucking faq before posting gringo !

    faq

    [MORE]

    China settle its border issue with 12 of its 14 neighbors long ago…

    Except India, Bhutan.

    India is the recalcitrant one.
    Poor Bhutan is under India’s yoke, else it’d have long ago reached an amicable accord with China like a rest, all happy customers.

    Now that Bhutan is bold enough to defy Delhi diktat to engage China, India’d soon be the odd man out. [1]

    Put this thru your thick skull idiot,
    Its Your fellow democrazy, India , who
    has issues with all of its neighbors.

    China’s land border negotiations with neighboring countries offer a startling revelation. Portions of the total disputed territories that China received as part of its boundary negotiations with 12 of its 14 neighbours are as follows:

    Afghanistan – 0%
    Tajikistan – 4%
    Nepal – 6%
    Burma – 18%
    Kazakhstan – 22%
    Mongolia – 29%
    Kyrgyzstan – 32%
    North Korea – 40%
    Laos – 50%
    Vietnam – 50%
    Russia – 50%
    Pakistan – 54%

    [2]

    Not everything is “CIA lies

    With mug like this, who needs the CIA. ?

    [1]

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-10-15/China-Bhutan-sign-MoU-to-speed-up-border-negotiations-14nCx8Ul4MU/index.html

  206. @Anon

    Japan,India,Australia,USA and UK are trying to instigate war with China without fighting one .

    What does that actually mean? What are you trying to say? Are you using “war” in some special sense which doesn’t require fighting/combat?

    Also when you say the “Soviet’s fall was not predictable” what are you telling us? Some did predict it but that of course doesn’t prove that those who predicted the fall got it right in the sense of describing in accurate detail how and when it would happen. What do you see as the critical causal elements of the fall?

  207. Weaver says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’m unwilling to fight over Taiwan. I do not want to see 18 yr old men and women, US soldiers, dying over a conflict that cannot be won should China fully enter a war over Taiwan. I do not want to risk having the US nuked over Taiwan.

    I believe you are deeply wronging the Taiwanese by encouraging the delusion that the US can protect not only Taiwan but South Korea, Japan, and other foreign states. They need to rely on themselves or build their own alliances. The US needs to focus on its own problems, and the US is broke.

    Regarding your question, Israel might be the most racist country ever to exist, yes. Perhaps the US should intervene to restore Palestine, Syria, Yemen, and Venezuela. If we’re jumping into Taiwan, then we might as well stop the vastly greater evil in Palestine. Oh, you don’t want the US to intervene now? One man, one vote, including diaspora Palestinians?

    Joking aside, it’s best the US stay out, everywhere. If the US must intervene, then Palestine, Syria, Yemen, and Venezuela should be aided. First end sanctions, etc. Presently, millions of little children are starving or on the verge of starving. Little girls are having to sell themselves to live. Children will develop deformed, low IQ due to malnutrition. If the US but ends sanctions, those children can be saved.

    Who here supports the mass murder of millions of innocent children, children who could be saved instantly by ending sanctions? Such an easy thing, no risk. Why even talk of Taiwan? Save the children!

  208. Daemon says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Thats the ROC claim, dumbass. Is langley churning out retards now?

  209. @fitzhamilton

    The total strength of the militaries of India, Japan, Indonesia, and all others with interests in Taiwan and the S. China Sea shipping lanes amounts to less than a paramecium on a fungus of a toenail of the massive Chinese military, their half billion potential conscripts, and the massive Chinese war machine paid for by the abdication of two centuries of industrial production. That punishment for energy sanctions on China wouldn’t be at least as severe for the US and all other post-industrial nations in the West, completely dependent on China for everything, is laughable. China has the winning hand, and they know it.

  210. @Adam Grant

    I confess to never having heard of fellow Australian Greg Copley who seems to have had an enterprising life. The link certainly doesn’t give any weight to modesty and when I follow through on Wikipedia I find that Stefan Possony, a generation older than Copley, should perhaps be credited with much of what that puff for Copley claims. Possony is said by Wikipedia, at least on one interpretation, to have graduated from the University of Vienna with a doctorate at 17. Mmm….

  211. Rod says:

    This was difficult to read. You can do better.

  212. @d dan

    and the Australian Aboriginals…

    Same for the Australiars:

    ‘South Africa today, North America tomorrow!’

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/endorsing-a-call-for-the-new-american-flag/#comment-4737859

  213. denk says:
    @Mark.

    Would be imperial powers work in this fashion; they always have, and both the US and China are not any different.

    [sic]

    Lets see, China settled its border issues with 14 neighbors peacefully.

    Had it been FUS, these countries would’ve long been regime changed, bombed or outright invaded.

    Wait a min,
    FUS already did that, !

    Afghanistan – 900000 civies slaughtered
    Tajikistan – terrorism
    Nepal – king Birendra bumped off
    Burma – NED destabilisation
    Kazakhstan – terrorism
    Mongolia – NED shenanigans
    Kyrgyzstan – terrorism
    North Korea – bombed to stone age
    Laos – bombed to stone age
    Vietnam – bombed to stone age
    Russia – sanction, encirclement, bio war
    Pakistan – 500000 slain

    Even tho FUS is 2000 miles away !

    Yeah right,

    China no different from FUS

    HEHEHEHEHE

  214. @Wizard of Oz

    Americans are certainly entitled to give up on Woodrow Wilson and the right to self determination…

    ‘Woodrow Wilson and the right to self determination’??? That makes a good laugh:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/whither-afghanistan-getting-out-is-harder-than-getting-in/#comment-4802102

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  215. @Hoyeru

    The United States has shipped \$50 trillion in industrial technology to China since the end of the Cold War. The United States-and in fact most of the developed World-is completely dependent on Chinese industry and manufacturing. That they want a war with China to destroy China is imbecilic.

  216. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I think you will find that territory map claim is only by the losing government of Taiwan. PRC have long made border agreements with those to the north and east. Tiawan has not it (yet) seems. These claims are no more relevant in the 21st century than the claims of Shah of Iran or the Confederate Govenment of Texas.

  217. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yes, that’s what I’m saying, but Mr. d dan (see comment #132) is too stupid to understand that. He thinks that because the US is at fault therefore anything negative about China must be a lie, made by the CIA of course. Typical black-and-white thinking.

    Then you are merely admitting that “the US is at fault”. But China has a legal and solid claim on Taiwan– It was returned to China after the defeat of militarist japanese aggressors.

    You are insidiously clever. Having fallen into a shithole, you make yourself less filthy by smearing your shit onto other people who are clean.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  218. @d dan

    If one is to take you seriously about consulting the 1.4 billion despite the severe limits the CCP imposes on expressing any views it disagrees with what are the questions on which these deeply moral and engaged people should be consulted? How about “are you willing to have lots of your fellow Han killed in order to replace their existing government by one that the CCP imposes? Assuming the people of Taiwan object to having their government replaced by force and defend themselves against invasion or aerial and naval attack, how much violence would it be acceptable to inflict to secure the overthrow of the Taiwanese government? How many deaths and injuries? How much destruction of property?

    • Replies: @d dan
  219. Really? Why are we talking about Taiwan? We have huge issues here at home, the biggest and most important one is to stop the Covid19 hoax, and whatever the cost it must be done.

  220. Yee says:

    raga10,

    You’re probably right about that, and I am definitely for sale if the price is right!
    Just putting it out there

    You should go to Africa… The US is paying \$1000 a piece for anti-China article in Africa.

    Everyone in the world knows if you want to make money doing propaganda, you go anti-China.

  221. @Brooklyn Dave

    The indigenous people of Taiwan are the Austronesians. There were once at least six Austronesian language groups on Taiwan. The Austronesians invented the catamaran type outrigger multihull sailing ship. Austronesians of one of those language groups sailed to the Phillipines, their descendents are the Filipino people. After ethnically cleansing the Phillipine archipelago of the Negritos and colonizing it, they sailed on and colonized all of Oceania including Hawaii, Polynesia, Micronesia, New Zealand etc. They even reached the East Coast of Africa, and in the first century AD pressured by Bantu expansion to the coast, colonized Madagascar. All languages of The Philippines, Oceania, and Madagascar are part of that one Austronesian language group from Taiwan. If the ancestors of modern day Filipinos had not sailed from Taiwan centuries ago, today the Austronesians would be all but extinct, as the Han invaded Taiwan and ethnically cleansed Taiwan of the Austronesians. It is thought the Austronesians originated in Fujian, but fled to Taiwan under pressure from the Proto-Han. I don’t think the indigenous Taiwanese are related to the Montagnards/Hmong, but the Viets are from southern China and ethnically cleansed the Montagnards in a similar way to what the Han did in Fujian and Taiwan to the Austronesians. On the other hand the Montagnards pulled the same act upon a still earlier tribal people, just as the Japanese did to the Ainu. All the East Asians have a very big problem with “Living On Stolen Land”.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  222. @Reg Cæsar

    It is your job to show me that the indigenous peoples have all the rights to THEIR territories currently occupied by whites.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  223. denk says:
    @Anon

    Is Glaser Jew ?

    Bonnie Glaser, a Taiwan expert at the German Marshall Fund, said the spike in military activity is “destabilizing, but not alarming” and “undoubtedly intended to intimidate Taiwan.”

    Dont bother,
    Jew or German or anglo, its moot.

    Confucius

    The cunning talk the talk,
    The mug walk the walk

    All the mug here who wanna fight China over TW are white trash like…

    Ryckaert the historian,
    Colin wrong the village idiot,
    woo the resident troll,
    fakir the asshole,

    .Tip of an iceberg

    Read the faq

    Its the mug stupid

  224. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “both parties agree that they are of the same ethnicity.”

    Yet you try to divide them by calling them wolves and sheep.

    “It’s about a difference of regime. ”

    Every country have people with different views of their regime. Grow up.

    “North and South Korea should unite, …”

    They should, and they desire so – but I doubt dumber like you know that.

    “… with the South also becoming communist,”

    None of your or my fucking business. Koreans are smart, they can settle themselves.

    “regime of Mainland China is not attractive to the Taiwanese.”

    Taiwanese are free to help change the Mainland regime, or emigrate to wherever place they find attractive. That happens to people in every country in the world.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  225. Derer says:
    @anon

    one that makes explicit that the United States would respond to any Chinese use of force against Taiwan.

    The USA are exhausted and tired from unable to defeat Taliban for 20 years…therefore the prospect of engaging against China is your metaphysical suggestion only. Although strong appetite for military complexes profit is always there.

  226. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “If one is to take you seriously about consulting the 1.4 billion despite the severe limits… How about “are you willing to have lots of your fellow Han killed in order to replace their existing government by one that the CCP imposes?”

    Chinese people are smart enough to tell a good government from a bad one, fair enough to demand justice when needed and brave enough to overthrow one if necessary. Chinese history is full of those stories, and CCP is aware of them too. Now tell me how many time Whites people stage successfully against their own corrupted, rotten and evil governments?

    You can’t fathom the possibility that the 1.4 billions can collectively make better decision than you because you are a racist pig. So you hide behind words like “oppression”, “limit”,…

    “Assuming the people of Taiwan object to having their government… how much violence would it be acceptable ”

    The answer is the same as if Western Australia and the Confederate seceded illegally in their country.

    Also, don’t pretend you care about the deaths, injuries, and destruction of Taiwanese. Chinese care more than you. You only care about containing and weaken China. You mention “deaths, injuries…” only as moral cover for your hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  227. Chinaman says:
    @Houston 1992

    This is exactly kind of analysis which sounds rational and measured at the start but then takes leaps of logic and end up with conclusions don’t follow the arguments.

    SMIC ( which stock I am holding) have hired 3000 ex-TSMC engineers and given China ‘s track record in replicating anything on earth , we will get below 10nm in 3 years time. Semiconductors are MASS consumer products, squeezing more and more transistors into a smaller space reduce power consumption and that’s basically it. What’s the big deal? we have more computing power than we can use. We are already moving on to carbon based semiconductors and quantum computing so a lot of that will be obsolete soon. Weaponising semiconductors is the stupidest thing America have ever done.

    Huawei is already developing 5G cloud based phone which doesn’t even have a chip on the phone ! Do you think your TV should have little actors inside it?

    The flaw in your logic ( as in many other analysis on China) is that you underestimate the intelligence and work ethic of the Chinese people. Taiwanese are 3rd rated Chinese in terms of IQ, way below the Cantonese and not to mentioned the Shanghainese. You have no fucking idea.

    By nature, we are a people who dislike competition and value harmony. The lack of competition within traditional Chinese society have lead to centuries of stagnation, rot and subjugation. However , Anglo Saxons, being the most genocidal ,warlike and belligerent people on earth have forced us to “come out of our shell” and rise to the challenge.

    Thank you for pushing us to be better, to give us the impetus to transcend our limitations.

    We will prevail and fuck America up.

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  228. Coag says:
    @Adam Grant

    What is your, Copley’s, and the Icelandic president’s Big History take on the US? In particular what are the prospects of our venerable Anglo Saxon Republic vis a vis the amazing shrinking white population, the American official religion of the Church of St George Floyd, and the explosive growth of 3rd world immigration?

    USA is set to become Brazil, demographically. I’m sure China’s politburo much prefers to deal with the United States of North Brazil, rather than with WASP-land, which is a much more dangerous foe but set to go the way of the dodo bird.

    • Replies: @Adam Grant
  229. @Bombercommand

    Ethnic expansions at the cost of previous populations have happened all over the world. We should not regret that too much. Or should we wish that Europe should have remained a Neanderthal continent?

  230. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Washington can make this change in a manner that is consistent with its one-China policy and that minimizes the risk to U.S.-Chinese relations

    There is an obvious logical problem with that formulation. If an outsider commits to aiding a part of a polity if it were “attacked” by that polity, that is essentially saying that particular territory was not an internal matter within the sole jurisdiction of said country.

    Which already contradicts the position, stated outright, that that piece of land IS in fact recognized as an integral part of that country, and that any action which takes place within that country is purely its business, no one else’s.

    So, here’s the conundrum. Yes, the United States can declare, outright and explicitly, that we would fight if China were to use force in its own province (as recognized by us, explicitly) of Taiwan. The main consequence would be to essentially claim to have authority within Chinese sovereign space – within China itself. Chew on that. Tantamount to a declaration of a war of aggression, though not yet having fired any ordnance.

    It will most certainly set back relations with China about half a century, even with no shots fired.

    The problem with that scenario is that you can’t turn the clock back. We are not dealing with crude, revolutionary, isolated China of 1972. The United States can sever all ties with China, and can try to make countries choose between us and them.

    From where I stand, it is not clear that the world would choose the United States exclusively. Britain and Australia would, and Japan might.

    Who else? South Korea, Canada, Germany, France? Not likely. Even India would be on the fence (they famously look after their own interests), and Russia will just sneer and give us the finger. The rest of the world? Just . . . no. Don’t bet on it.

    The difference is already stark between a non-interfering, hands-off, highly lucrative partner, with the world’s effectively largest economy, and a subverting, revolution-funding, regime-changing power who on top of that demands absolute and exclusive relations. The other side demands nothing of the sort, and instead wishes have trade and exchange with . . . everyone. We should not make that difference yet more pronounced.

    If we ever declare our position on Taiwan, we force the world to choose. As it seems to me we will not come out well in that situation, we should maintain strategic ambiguity.

  231. @Deep Thought

    The thing is those “other people” are not clean.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  232. @Deep Thought

    I suppose I should be grateful for learning something from a link – or rather , some further links to that link, but I can’t help wondering why you posted something so far from being an answer to anything I said – except perhaps to tell me that not all UR commenters know anything about Woodrow Wilson. It looks as though you need to have it pointed out to you that Wilson was at Versailles in 1919 and the Vietnam War was mostly in the 1960s, about 40 years after Wilson’s death.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  233. @Chris Moore

    You should to be correct. The United States of America is a dying empire. The United States has betrayed the peoples who have built that nation. This of course is the White man who have traditional values.

    The regime of the USA for many years now has declared war against the only group of people who can so properly defend it. If war should to break out someday, these traditional White men should to put down their weapons ad refuse to fight for their true enemy.

  234. @Daemon

    Is it also an invention of Taiwan (or the CIA for that matter) that China claims the whole of the South China Sea, Japan’s Ryu Kyu islands, India’s Arunachal Pradesh, and Russia’s Vladivostok? Looks suspiciously imperialist to me.

    Here is a map of China’s “reasonable demands” in the South China Sea:

    For some mysterious reasons (pressure by the CIA perhaps?) the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague rejected China’s claims:

    “…The Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague, comprised of a panel of five experts in maritime law, ruled Tuesday that there was no legal basis to China’s claim to sovereignty over much of the South China Sea.

    “Although Chinese navigators and fishermen, as well as those of other states, had historically made use of the islands in the South China Sea, there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or their resources,” the Court said. It concluded that “there was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line’.”

    It also found that none of China’s claimed Spratly Islands in South China Sea can generate maritime zones and declared that large areas of the Sea to be neutral international waters…”

    Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/timdaiss/2016/07/12/philippines-wins-south-china-sea-case-against-china-court-issues-harsh-verdict/?sh=3ce69c427765

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Daemon
  235. @Daemon

    It doesn’t matter whether it is true. It only has to be believed. And they have already successful started a self-sustaining engine of Chinese-hatred. It is going on a positive feedback loop and will soon achieve critical mass in Western *civil society*. it will become socially unacceptable to even express hatred towards China and the Chinese with insufficient enthusiasm.

    War is inevitable.

    And to demonstrate that I am not a Jew, as our gracious host Mister Unz, himself a Jew, has insinuated:

    準備戰爭。
    準備戰爭。
    準備戰爭。

  236. antibeast says:
    @fitzhamilton

    To the US Deep State:

    Shouldn’t you guys worry more about the fate of the USA instead of Taiwan which is none of your business? Aren’t you guys paid to serve the national interests of the USA?

    Trump succeeded in weaponizing US technology, finance and trade which has severely damaged the US economy. There is nothing left in the US economy except the financial bubble propped up by trillions of USD printing by the Fed.

    The result is that the USA has become the world’s biggest debtor nation which is simply not in any position to ‘contain’ the world’s largest creditor nation, China. Delusions of grandeur won’t substitute for economic realities. Even US allies would need China to cushion the coming collapse of the US economy.

    The US economy will suffer from a financial meltdown which is coming soon. No amount of geopolitical chest-thumping will save the USA.

  237. @Chinaman

    Have the nice White people here called you a Jew yet?

    • LOL: Truth
  238. @d dan

    “…Taiwanese are free to help change the Mainland regime…”

    Yeah right, the one sheep is free to try and convince the 59 wolves not to devour it.

    • Replies: @d dan
  239. @Franklin Ryckaert

    That’s because the shit that you smear on them.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  240. @Wizard of Oz

    … the Vietnam War was mostly in the 1960s, about 40 years after Wilson’s death.

    Where is “Vietnam War” mentioned in that letter???!!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  241. big daddy says:

    As I may have stated heretofore in this space the Taiwanese must be stupid if they don’t have nuclear arms by hook or crook. Self preservation is obvious and just.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Miro23
  242. @d dan

    There is so much wrong with your erratic emotional, irrational rant, that I cannot place you in the same class as my intelligent Chinese friends with whom I can have civilised discourse I shall have to give up the hope of getting it from you.

    Your knowledge of both Chinese and non Chinese history seems to be absurdly limited for one soinding so certain about both. It would take days to fill in the gaps for you. But, still, ask yourself (be honest; no need to expose yourself with a dishonest reply) why are you so anxious and emotional when asked why the Chinese people collectively – which you have just praised as a source of good judgement- should not be asked how much death and suffering should be inflicted on the Taiwanese people to make them accept a change of government.

    But I think I know what it’s all about. It’s your loss of face by having been exposed as having puffed out your chest and bluviated a ridiculously silly and oversimplified, indeed simple minded argument.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @d dan
  243. @Deep Thought

    Wow, a very “deep” thought indeed!

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  244. @AKAHorace

    So says the person who has never been to Taiwan or to China. The fact is that China is a very nice place, and Taiwan sort of looks lit it was frozen in the late 1980’s. While China looks like some kind of cyberpunk Jetsons’s world.

    Last month, a bevy of Taiwanese news media visited the mainland and came back with very positive reports and accolades. The thing that I found most stunning about their videos were the repeated statements of ” I am Chinese. China is MY country. I am so proud of my Country!”

    This is profound when you realize that these are Taiwanese people what have been dealing with the same suffocating anti-China media onslaught as the rest of the world. And they want to be part of the dynamic excitement that is China today.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  245. @Deep Thought

    Sorry. I must have been enjoying links to links so much that I missed your reliance on that letter. You weren’t really objecting to anything I had argued, only to my possibly naively belief that Wilson’s rhetoric was sincere and not humbug. It’s easily fixed. My later edition will have the words “his rhetoric about” before “the right to self determination”. Believe me I wouldn’t want to take any risk of being branded as an admirer of Woodrow Wilson😎

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  246. Realist says:
    @Houston 1992

    Where will Huawei’s smartphone division be at in a few years ?

    Most probably way ahead of anything the U. S. is involved with. Huawei’s 5G system is a true 5G…the one used in the U. S. is not.

    will that Huawei division have the same market share in 2025 as it held in 2019?

    I have never been involved in marketing, so market projections are not my forte. But I have been involved in science and as I pointed out in the comment you replied to, the fact that China is promoting meritocracy, has an average IQ greater than the U. S., and the Chinese government is determined to advance their society technologically…the share will be greater in 2025 than in 2019.

  247. denk says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    genius

    China /Russia demarcated their border decades ago in 1991, no claim from either side today.
    Do you read English ?

    For reason best known to themselves, India is the only one of China’s 14 neighbors to refuse a proper demarcation , hence the
    incessant squabble along the border .

    China claims ‘Aruachal Prudesh’ which is formerly Tawang, southern Tibet annexed by India in 1951.
    China could’ve taken it back after routing the Indian intruders in 1962 but the PLA was ordered to withdraw .
    China is so ‘imperialistic !’

    OTOH
    Delhi claims Chinese controlled Aksai Chin, with neither historic nor geographic basis.
    How imperialistic !

    Funny you should call Okinawa by its origina name, the Ryukyu island, which was a Chinese tributary annexed by the jap IN 17C.
    China doesnt claim sovereignty over Ryukyu today, genius.
    BUt my advise to Xi is to support Ryukyu independence if the jap insist on intervening in TW, which was also robbed from China in 18C
    Two can play at this game you know !

    Viva Ryukyu independence !

    https://www.peaceforokinawa.org/ryukyu-independence-restoration-movement.html


    I see your go to source is Indian MSM and the Forbes, heheheheh

  248. Daemon says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    1. China does not claim the SCS, that is a direct misrepresentation of Chinese claims meant for smoothbrains who cannot read chinese. The 9 dash line is an approximation of islands that are claimed by the chinese. Contrary to popular misconception the waterways in this area are not subject to Chinese jurisdiction as China recognizes these are international waters. Contrary to another popular misconception, US FONOPS in the region occur not in the international waters, but within 12 nautical miles of Chinese island claims.

    2. Using foreign names for land which was originally under Chinese control is attempt to poorly frame the situation to make China look ridiculous. Why do you search up the original names for these locations? Consider that your homework. Oh and the PRC has no claims on Vladivostok whatsoever, or the Ryuku Islands, only the Senkaku islands.

    3. The Permanent Court of Arbitration sounds scary but is fundamentally non-binding. The reason why the Americans pressured the Phillipines to take the case to them is because they know full well if they took it to the ICC International Court of Arbitration, which is binding – their case would be thrown out of court. Do you understand? It’s for headlines and for people who want to play “Gotcha” on the internet.

    • Agree: denk, antibeast
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  249. @AKAHorace

    “ Taiwan is more Chinese and will stay that way if it is not forced into the PRC.”

    Mainland China has still not embraced LGBTQ…XYZ, nor girly men. Taiwan has obediently towed the line. Remains to see which country is more into Confucianism and authoritarianism, two distinctive features of Chinese society. Make a guess.

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  250. @Daemon

    Very interesting. Can you give a good source for point 3?

    • Replies: @Daemon
  251. @Weaver

    “China can play that game as well.”

    Not only China can play the game but it’s doing it so, albeit, on a much smaller scale than the US, therefore, it behooves America to see to it that China doesn’t usurp the Anglo-Saxon power, notwithstanding their Jewish allies in the West.

  252. @Badger Down

    So Tibet should become a godless, soulless, excessive eating, drinking, fornicating and planet destroying mini China?

    Free Tibet from the useless Chinese mongrels now!

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Badger Down
  253. @Deep Thought

    Deep Throat,

    Stop sucking on too much of your own hot air. Just like Japan should have completely raped China to avoid the peril they are facing from it; similarly, North America should have dealt with the natives and the negros with much firmer hand and then the wild bunch would not dare touch the statues of great White men, who formed, built and guided this great country. The colored didn’t do a shit that the donkeys could not do.

    Whistle Blower

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Deep Thought
  254. @Wizard of Oz

    You weren’t really objecting to anything I had argued

    You were not even arguing about ANYTHING that I was arguing. Tell me again, Where is “Vietnam War” mentioned in that letter???!!

    Believe me I wouldn’t want to take any risk of being branded as an admirer of Woodrow Wilson

    Uncle Ho was once naïve enough to be a genuine admirer of Wilson. DAMN! Why do these little yellow men always manage to see through to the true ugliness of these fake whites in the end!!!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  255. denk says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    The Tibetans are doing fine.

    When’r you gonna free the Ryukyu ren ?

    “The soldiers get drunk and crash their cars. There are four accidents a day; two rapes a month. Almost every person on Okinawa has a family member who has been assaulted. Then the soldiers go off to kill poor people in Iraq and Afghanistan. It makes my blood boil.”

    https://apjjf.org/-David-McNeill/1768/article.html

  256. Maddaugh says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Male illegal aliens from 18 to 25 are already required to register with Selective Service. Would a President even need Congress to reactivate the draft just for them?

    Well interesting question ! However, this is where when one bends the law you dont know where the next twist is going to be. Most times its around the neck.

    So I would say:

    >Whereas the President is the Chief Commanding Officer (in Biden;s case this is a bizarre arrangement but anyway) so:
    >Whereas the President does not need Congress’ approval to start a war
    >And whereas notwithstanding the above the President is allowed to lie and initiate false flag operations
    >And whereas we have millions of Wakandians, East Indians, Moslems and assorted other non-white trash in the US, idle and bleeding the system
    >And whereas we have millions of Chinese who are opposed to China invading Taiwan
    >And whereas we need to get rid of them all one way or the other
    >Now therefore be it resolved that they are to be immediately inducted into the US Armed Forces.
    >And it is also resolved that they be sent to defend Taiwan

    Hence, to answer your question Joey does not need anyone’s approval to put all these border jumpers, welfare moochers , gang bangers, Mohammedans, and Green Card Hounds into the Service….not to register…but to be inducted and sent overseas.

    If they overcome the CCP, they can remain in Taiwan and China as these are more prosperous countries touted as the next Utopias.

    The most likely scenario is that Mexico would be inundated with a reverse immigration as all these parasites flee southward and US airports would be littered with H1 visas and turbans LOL.

  257. denk says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    Just like Japan should have completely raped China to avoid the peril they are facing from it

    You mean those rapists who’ve been terrorising the Ryukyu ren for seventy years are PLA ?

    The alleged rape of an Okinawan woman by two American sailors is but the latest in a string of literally thousands of crimes committed by US troops on the small Japanese islands over the past seven decades.

    Okinawans have been trying in vain to get the Americans to leave their little corner of Japan for generations. In 1945 a farmer armed only with a bamboo pole was shot dead as he attempted to protect his land from US forces. Okinawan property was seized at gunpoint; homes and farms were bulldozed or burned. The Americans promised Okinawans good farm land and financial assistance if they would only move halfway around the world to Bolivia. Thousands took them up on their offer only to find themselves shipped off to an inhospitable wilderness where many died from disease. They never saw a penny of the promised money.

    http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=500590.0

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  258. Maddaugh says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    D Dan, Jumblebrain, Biff and these characters are a bunch of Chinks living in white space and breathing up white oxygen. Dig it, they wont even adopt Chinese handles, they are so ashamed of their heritage. In addition, what are they doing on this site. Surely there are Chinese sites that would be more suitable to these small pecker dwarfs.

    Donkey Dan thinks 1.4 B should be asked what they want to do with Taiwan. This fellow must have his head up his own arse. 80% of the 1.4B probably dont even know where Taiwan is or even care. Most of the other 20 % know that a war would diminish their YUAN ie those who have not squirrelled their billions in the WEST !!!

    It seems like only President She She is all gung ho but note, he is not going to be the one to bleed. I would say the majority dont give a shit about reunification. The average Chinese slave, sweating 18 hours a day to make \$10 dollars, plant rice or scrounge for road kill would wonder how reunification is going to benefit him !?

    Most Americans dont give a shit either. If you ask the average American where Taiwan is they would tell you in New York. My personal feeling is that if they want to go at each other then let them. When your competitor wants to indulge in infighting, you stay out of the fray but support the weaker side to perpetuate and prolong the slaughter.

    China and Taiwan rumbling would be good for us !! If we play our cards right we can also “MANDATE” conscription (LOL) which would clean out this country in a hurry. However no white man should bleed for any of these Asians.

  259. denk says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Its the Jew’s war

    Pleeeeeeze !
    All the nasty pos I’ve encountered so far are white trash.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  260. @denk

    No, that is not the right translation, which is: “you are a Jew”. Of course I said that only jokingly. His own Chinese words mean “prepare for war”.

    • Replies: @denk
  261. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “59 wolves ”

    Here you go again. Unable to argue cogently but only repeating emotional lies.

  262. @A Half Naked Fakir

    The japs will get paid at the end of the day. That is certainty. Just ask the Mongols and Manchus.

    The japs “should have” done this or that but they couldn’t. Even with a China that was poor, backward and DIVIDED, they got themselves in a quagmire that was worse than that of the murrikans’ in Nam decades later!!!

    Today, China has proved to be able to withstand anything murrika can throw at it– short of war. Ban-non will tell you that China needs only to “bide its time” for another 10 years and disputes will all be resolved in China’s favour. Will murrika start a war with China in a desperate attempt to ward off fate? Who know? It might turn out to be easier than trying to ward off Covid -19!!! 😀

    With so many Coal-burners around you, you really should exercise caution when it comes to rape. China is in good terms with most Black African countries. When the time comes, China can simply borrow some African Y-chromosomes, which will be the best weapon to traumatize the Yamato race. Once that is done, it canNOT be reversed– just like coal-burning! 😀

    Meanwhile, “the natives and the negros” can have fun watching the mostly WHITE young men and women pulling down your PAST “great whitemen” onto the dirt. See it for yourself on Youtube.

  263. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Your knowledge of both Chinese and non Chinese history seems to be absurdly limited”

    So you are claiming you know more about Chinese history than me now? What an arrogant joker. And I never claim I know more about non-Chinese history – I am exposing the hypocrisy of your country.

    “why are you so anxious and emotional when asked why the Chinese people collectively – which you have just praised as a source of good judgement- should not be asked how much death and suffering should be inflicted on the Taiwanese people to make them accept a change of government.”

    I already answer the question. The answer is the same when there is rebellion in Australia and America. You just can’t accept that China could be placed in the same category as your country because you are a racist pig.

    ” It’s your loss of face by having been exposed…”

    I have answered and refuted every single point and question you raised. I exposed your hypocrisy, arrogance and ignorance – that is why you are mad.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  264. @denk

    Forty acres and a llama?

  265. d dan says:
    @Maddaugh

    “Donkey Dan thinks 1.4 B should be asked… Most Americans dont give a shit either.”

    Here come another racist pig who is ONLY capable of screaming rhetoric with empty content and emotion. If you don’t care about Taiwan, why even comment here. Typical White trash: hypocritical, ignorant, arrogant and low IQ.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
    • LOL: schnellandine
  266. @Maddaugh

    If we play our cards right we can also “MANDATE” conscription (LOL) which would clean out this country in a hurry. However no white man should bleed for any of these Asians.

    Legal aliens not seeking citizenship are not subject to SSS registration. Only illegals. The CCP would have arranged legal entry for these guys.

    Assuming they’re here, not home in Wuhan.

  267. anon[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Maddaugh

    This fellow must have his head up his own arse. 80% of the 1.4B probably dont even know where Taiwan is or even care.

    The vast majority of mainland Chinese absolutely know where Taiwan is, and they are programmed from infancy to regard it as Chinese territory. They regard the the unification of all China as a holy and sacred mission. In fact, it’s a nice distraction from the gross economic inequality in Chinese society. The real question is: how far do they go beyond Taiwan? For Chinese, all of Asia basically belongs to them. Asia aside, Chinese tend to believe in their own ethnic supremacy, much like White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, and Zionists.

    You are right about Americans though. They could care less about Taiwan and most likely have know idea where it is. Hence, the asymmetry in this matter is frightening: Americans don’t appreciate how much Taiwan matters to China’s leadership, much like how Americans don’t appreciate how much their government has offended the Islamic world via support for Israel, corrupting Arab politicians, etc.

    It would be nice if all the world’s ethnic supremacists (Zionists, White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Han Nationalists, Asian Supremacists, Islamists, IQ supremacists, race realists, etc.) simply killed each other off in an epic war. The vast majority of humanity could then go about its humble business of living life. The next world war will be a great cleansing and purification for all of humanity.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Maddaugh
  268. @Joe Levantine

    Democratic Taiwan is so progressive when a referendum showed 60% voted no on gay marriage they ignored the result and legalized it anyway. I asked some nice White people about this apparent paradox. They replied the referendum was nonbinding.

    Don’t you love democracy and the rule of law?

    “…and gradually, I began to hate them.”

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine, nokangaroos
  269. A not insignificant error in an otherwise excellent article: Taiwan no longer claim to be the legitimate government of the whole of China. That claim was abandoned many years ago, and replaced by the so-called “Three NOs” policy that is still formally in force: NO to a formal declaration on independence, NO to reunification, and NO to any use of force to settle the differences between Taiwan and the PRC.

    It is my understanding that the above policy reflects the attitude of the overwhelming majority of the “Taiwanese” (Chinese living in Taiwan). There is no push for reunification, and most people would wish for things to remain as they are. The calls for a formal declaration of independence come mostly when not exclusively from industrial and financial circles, that believe that a Taiwanese state fully embedded in the global trade mechanisms would quickly mirror the successes of South Korea and Singapore. This, however, only provided that there wouldbe no Chinese reaction, because independence gained through war would be way too costly.

    China on the other hand has made her position exceedingly clear. Taiwan is a Chinese province which is currently occupied by rebels and bandits and thus outside the central government’ s control. This situation is unfortunate but does not require an immediate action and would rather eventuall mend itself. Any attempt st separating Taiwan from China and declare it an independent country, however, would trigger an immediate military response .

    • Agree: antibeast
  270. Chinaman says:
    @Maddaugh

    However no white man should bleed for any of these Asians.

    Xi and most chinaman are counting on insouiciant selfish pussies like you to help us achieve unification.

    Just as in the Battle of Singapore where white Brit and Australian pussies surrender at the first sound of gunfire, Americans will run like dogs when the shooting begins. Cowardice is a genetic disposition.

    I am ready for nuclear Armageddon, are you?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @Maddaugh
  271. Chinaman says:
    @The_MasterWang

    丢掉幻想,准备斗争… Can you tell me who said it?

    This is perhaps the easiest way to prove you are a Wang…

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  272. Mr. Anglin is one of the few Americans who knows or is willing to tell the truth about Taiwan. The US backed the government in Taiwan expecting that the CPC would collapse and the government in Taipei would re-take all of China. The mission failed… So now the MSM and MIC are trying to re-write history. Very dangerous indeed!

  273. @mulga mumblebrain

    I honestly don’t believe China would pre-emptively attack Jeju. South Korea has made it publicly clear they will not join in a fight against China over Taiwan. She also publicly refused to join Quad. They (China and South Korea) have a lot of backdoor communication.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  274. @Chinaman

    “Cast away illusions, prepare for struggle”.
    Quote from the greatest mass murderer of history Mao Zedong:

    “…Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with — by execution, imprisonment or forced famine…”

    Source: https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder

    But as a good Chinaman you of course admire that monster.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  275. @Marshal Marlow

    Absolutely correct… For the US side it might be about chips – but not the Chinese side… And the funniest part is much of the progress made on the mainland is because so many Taiwan engineers went there… Many from South Korea are also working there as the new China-Korea Integrated Circuits Industrial Park is now underway…

  276. @Deep Thought

    Please don’t risk exploding my provisional view that you are nothing like a typical UR dim nutter. Surely I left no doubt that I fad read the letter and therfore, of course, recognised that my reference to Vietnam was misconceived😇

  277. @d dan

    exposed your hypocrisy, arrogance and ignorance

    Sorry, missed that.

    that is why you are mad.

    Wrong. You arouse my one negative emotion. *Contempt*

    you are a racist pig

    You really would have a problem if you saw me with my clever loving,good looking, athletic and much loved half-East Asian young family members! Perhaps you could prove your racism problem by wanting to know if the Asian half in my family is perhaps Japanese, Korean, Mongol or Manchu……

    [Well, that was a bit of fun to wake up to before getting on my bike, but please don’t tempt me to waste more of my time].

    • Replies: @d dan
  278. anon[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    The British garrison at Singapore was mostly made up of Indian conscripts, and the Japanese were able to launch their surprise attack because of intelligence provided by the Germans. Ironically, those Aussies and Brits are the ones who helped Chiang and the Nationalists (forebears of what is currently known as Taiwan) while the country was occupied by the Japs

    Get your story straight, Chiney, and go back to your anon posting.

  279. @AKAHorace

    That was true… But now the island has embraced western woke-ism and “progressivism” and is turning away from East Asian values. And the puppet DPP government is now claiming they are no longer Chinese – so your statement goes out the window. The KMT still believes they are Chinese – and go figure that is the side that still claims the One China policy.

  280. @Houston 1992

    https://www.totaltele.com/510616/China-approaching-chipset-self-sufficiency-in-the-battle-for-semiconductor-innovation

    From the people who get paid to study such things…

    And btw – Huawei’s business is the network equipment first and foremost. Phones were an add on. Their network equipment is immune to US sanctions.

  281. @Technomad

    You listen to too much Breitbart propaganda nonsense… The reasons the Indians are so mad is they tried to cross across the border – no doubt with egging on by the US and had no means of retreat and about 20 of them died being exposed to the elements. More would have died had the PLA not saved them and kept them as prisoners which they gave back to India. The videos of the exchanges are available. It was at that time India had to shut up about claiming that they won the fight or that China crossed the border. China runs no negative stories on India in the news – but India is non stop negative China… Why??? Same reason as the US. Now that Bhutan has tried to break free of India and signed an MOU with China – I expect them to start more trouble. But when you dig a ditch for someone else you often fall in it yourself.

    As to the Taiwan Strait. The conventional weapons the PLA has in Fujian could flatten the islands navy and airforce without ever having to cross… And they are “on” 24/7. Get with reality.

  282. @Chinaman

    I thought you were a sophisticated educated well travelled old upper class (or rich upper middle class) person who could do better.

    The idea of old 1940s Aussies being genetically or otherwise prone to cowardice is ridiculous when you are referring to the incompetent British general’s surrender to a smaller Japanese force, albeit much more experienced and better trained than the Brits on Sungapore. Are you going to explain Emperor worship, suicidal Banzai attacks and Kamikazi suicide pilots as significantly genetic?

    As for the idea of Americans of all people surrendering at the first sound if gunfire!! True it would be depressing to read on UR or TakiMag too much about the level of gun homicide…..but, still, get real.

    I am ready for nuclear Armageddon, are you?

    Really! What are you on? You risk adding credence to those who purport to quote Mao as saying China could sacrifice 200 million in a war with the capitalist imperialists.

    Actually you would be hard to make yourself better prepared than that large proportion of Americans who are religious nutters. But do you even want to sound like them?

    You even approved of that key civilisational feature the Rule of Law, did you not? Have you given up all hope?

  283. @Jim Christian

    As we write Russia and China are doing their almost annual Joint Sea 2021 naval drills right now in the Sea of Japan. According to news releases they are focusing on mine sweeping – anti aircraft and anti submarine drills.

  284. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “exposed your hypocrisy, arrogance and ignorance”

    Sorry, missed that.

    Already did that several times. You missed that exactly because you are an arrogant racist that you can’t bring yourself DOWN to listen to Chinese view.

    For other readers, I would summarize them again.
    1. You want to contain and weaken China but pretend to care about Taiwanese welfare. That is hypocrisy.
    2. You consider your judgement superior to 1.4 billions and should override their wish. That is arrogance.
    3. You lack understanding of mainland Chinese democracy that listen to the real people, but crow about Taiwan “democracy” that adheres superficially to Western formalism. That is ignorance.

    And of course, you also feign concerns for Taiwanese “deaths, injuries and destruction of property” while calling to arm Taiwanese to let more Chinese blood bleeding. You ignore your own rotten and corrupted government’s past history of suppression for independence – whether from your own people (Western Australia) or the genocide Aboriginals – while complaining the “suppressive” Beijing government… I can go on more, but readers get the ideas. And I haven’t even mentioned your comments from other threads.

    *Contempt*

    The feeling is mutual.

    “half-East Asian young family members”

    That is the most lame defense. You don’t even understand racism is defined by actions/words, rather than gene, let alone relationship.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  285. @Wizard of Oz

    You are simply wrong…. There is no price that the mainland wouldn’t pay.
    Even CNN admits that many on Taiwan know there would be nothing they can do – and in spite of all the folly – many still admit to being Chinese.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/asia/taiwan-china-taipei-people-intl-hnk/index.html

    https://tass.com/defense/1349479

    meanwhile – China and Russia are right now practicing mine sweeping… So don’t let your imagination run too wild. This when just a few days ago Putin and Russia’s FM both said Taiwan is part of China… You can also check CNBC’s interview with Putin a few days ago when the host tried to get him to say something negative about China. He said – well they are a good partner for us (Russia) because whatever they say they will do – they do it. The inference being – unlike the west.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  286. Daemon says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=311

    “The Court offers a wide range of services for the resolution of international disputes which the parties concerned have expressly agreed to submit for resolution under its auspices. Unlike the International Court of Justice, the Permanent Court of Arbitration has no sitting judges: the parties themselves select the arbitrators. Another difference is that sessions of the Permanent Court of Arbitration are held in private and are confidential.”

    It just gets worse the more I read. It is literally a kangaroo court.

  287. @big daddy

    ‘As I may have stated heretofore in this space the Taiwanese must be stupid if they don’t have nuclear arms by hook or crook. Self preservation is obvious and just.’

    I’ll bet Japan’s worked out a quick access plan for nukes for herself.

    Now, should she give them to Taiwan?

    The thing is, China’s immensely large and powerful — but she’s never been especially expansionist. With Sinkiang, Tibet, and Manchuria, she’s helped herself to a very generous definition of ‘China,’ but does it stop there?

    Morality aside, is Taiwan ‘her last territorial demand in Europe’ or would giving way just encourage further demands? China herself may not know the answer to that question.

  288. @AKAHorace

    ‘…Taiwan would be safe from China if they had continued their nuclear weapons program. Unfortunately the US prevented them developing of bombs. Having not allowed them to defend themselves, they owe them assistance if there is an invasion.’

    Morally, your argument is sound.

    Unfortunately — particularly with great big dogs like China — morality is not the only element in the equation.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  289. @showmethereal

    I’ m afraid you are mostly right. But there being “no price the *mainland* wouldn’t pay” at least needs unpacking. If that were so, it would be logical to ask the question “well, why not now”?

    And supposing it was feared that Taiwan had set up WMD response that might kill twice the population of Taiwan in mainland China, what is going to be that “mainland” that makes the decision to pay the price? Perhaps China could borrow some of Ron’s “rogue actors”.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  290. @Daemon

    No, it could have its uses but I don’t understand how it got to hear the South China Sea case if it required China to agree to the jurisdiction. Do you?

    • Replies: @Daemon
  291. @d dan

    BS. That’s all your effusion merits. If you are young enough to learn anything from anyone find a wise person of maturity and erudition to get you used to civilised discourse.

    • Replies: @d dan
  292. @Weaver

    What is sad about Tibet??? Some want to worship a fake human deity who worked with the CIA and are upset they can’t??? Is it sad that slavery was ended there? Those are the only Tibetans that are sad. The other several million of them are glad their living conditions are vastly improved.

    I agree with the rest of your comment though

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  293. @Ace

    That analysis is malarkey…. The fact is in reality the US was doing everything it could to keep Chiang “cash my check” in power. They just failed… The fact is the US was supplying the Japanese in their invasion of China in the first place… Then it suddenly “got religion” because of all the atrocities the Japanese were committing all over Asia. It was bad press.

  294. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I’m sorry – but only idiots pay attention to WION. Why feel sorry for Taiwanese??? Why doesn’t that Indian fake news site make you feel sorry for the people of Assam and Nagaland and Manipur and Kashmir??? Why is Bhutan still under India’s thumb?? Disgusting hypocrites.

    • Replies: @denk
  295. @Colin Wright

    Would it matter? Hitler seeking to create a greater Germany on most of the European USSR with Slavs as hrlots on Germany’s expanded Lebrnsraum was perhaps sufficient reason to fear Hitler and decide he must be stopped. What would matter about any rational Chinese expansion? Mongolia? Nah. Where?

    China presumably isn’t concerned with finding more space for an expanding population. Australia is too dry and desertified to solve any food production problems that it doesn’t already help with. It is also a reliable quarry for raw materials. It is certainly conceivable that a rational calculation could lead to the cheap Finlandisation of Australia’s important Indo-Pacific landmass.

    So, I don’t see it as a comparable “no further demands” situation unless you can conceive of a mad expansionist deciding for example that the Philippines untermenschen should be replaced by Han, and then on and on.

  296. Daemon says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The Chinese didnt actually participate in the arbitration which is why I stated the entire non-event was an exercise in making headlines. I grabbed this from wiki because there were next to zero non-biased reporting on the subject. And when you have to go to wiki for objective news, you know things are fucked up.

    China refused to participate in the arbitration, stating that several treaties with the Philippines stipulate that bilateral negotiations be used to resolve border disputes. It also accuses the Philippines of violating the voluntary Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, made in 2002 between ASEAN and China, which also stipulated bilateral negotiations as the means of resolving border and other disputes.[32][33][34] China issued a position paper in December 2014 arguing the dispute was not subject to arbitration because it was ultimately a matter of sovereignty, not exploitation rights.[35] Its refusal did not prevent the arbitral tribunal from proceeding with the case.[36] After the award ruling, the PRC issued a statement rejecting it as ‘null’ and having decided not to abide by the arbitral tribunal’s decision, said it will “ignore the ruling”.

    It’s not an arbitration if there’s only one party present. And even if the Philippines won the ruling it’s actually still the biggest loser. 30 million dollars to do NEDs work for them and it got next to nothing out of it.

  297. denk says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I know Chinese old man.

    [MORE]

    My question,

    WTF is with all these ‘jew’s wars;, ‘Israel’s wars’ ?

    There’s some merits wrt ME

    bUT,
    The war on Chinese started way back from the days of Eight Nations Alliance, a FUKUS led whitey campaign.

    The barbarians have never left the gate.

    Today we’ve the FUKUS led 5 liars, 9 nine liars, 14 liars, the QUAD, [1] all anti Chinese posse

    The latest concoction is FUKUSA [UK, US, AUS]
    A hardcore anglo saxon outfit.
    Canada and NZ are dumped cuz they’r led by non anglo Trudueau and Ardern, not worthy of trust and…‘too soft on China’

    There’s lots of misdirection going on I wonder why ?

    faq
    lets call a spade a spade.

    The War On Chinese is an anglo saxon led white campaign.
    Always has been , always will be,

    —————-
    [1]
    https://restoreprivacy.com/5-eyes-9-eyes-14-eyes/

    ==========
    maddawg

    Most Americans dont give a shit either. If you ask the average American where Taiwan is they would tell you in New York

    Really ?

    80% of gringo wanna risk ww3 to fight China over TW.

    Yahoo! News Informs the Stupid Peasants Why the US Needs to Go to War to Protect Taiwan

    hehehhe
    Say it again sam, !

    There’s a reason why FUS has been at war every gawd damned year since its birth.

    Its the mug stupid.
    ===========

    R Rcykaert

    According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism

    [sic]

    YOur goto source are…
    INdian cow dung
    Forbes
    The black book ?

    How about we talk something more current and verifiable ?

    Wot killed 30M civies and displaced another 37 M since 2001

    =========

    Colin wrong the village idiot

    Unfortunately — particularly with great big dogs like China — morality is not the only element in the equation.

    BOy
    aint I sick of these no shame, no moral, no brain exceptional !

    https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2020/03/25/the-unaccountable-nation/

  298. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “civilised discourse.”

    More hypocrisy. You are not engaging in “civilised” discourse, just brainwashing propaganda and lies. Don’t flatter yourself.

    Commenters like Colin Wright and utu, while evil and arrogant, are at least upfront about their intent for a weak and unsuccessful China. Commenters like “Franklin Ryckaert” and Bombercommand, while stupid and ignorant, are honest about their hatred of CCP. Commenters like Maddaugh and “A Half Naked Fakir”, while emotional and low IQ, don’t hide their racism against Chinese. Commenter like raga10, while clueless and unfocused, admits he is open for sales.

    But you are one of the kind, like those who write and believe “all men are created equal….” while kidnapping millions of slaves across continent and genocide the natives. Breathtaking hypocrisy.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Thanks: Bombercommand
  299. @Rufus Arrr

    “Last month, a bevy of Taiwanese news media visited the mainland and came back with very positive reports and accolades”

    That is nice to hear… I am unaware of that trip… Where did you find that?

    The funny thing is reading some of the comments on here and other sites that “Taiwan is the real China”. Well part of Chinese culture is to visit your ancestral village and pay homage to your blood line. For 90% of Taiwan people that would be somewhere on Mainland China. Now it is true for decades because of the civil war conditions it was not possible. But starting in the 1980’s many started to do it when the two sides agreed. In 2021 I can’t say how many of the young Taiwanese hold to that traditional Chinese culture… That makes those comments by some on here a fallacy. In the mainland it is a national holiday to facilitate it. Hopefully the young on the island will realize who and what they are.

  300. @Wizard of Oz

    “well, why not now?” I’m not sure what you all don’t get. Since the 1970’s the stated goal has officially been PEACEFUL REUNIFICATION. That is when the shots stopped being fired. Chinese don’t want to kill other Chinese.
    And the mainland knows everything that goes on the island… Any attempt to set up WMD’s would certainly cause pre-emptive strike and even US propaganda couldn’t save that argument at the UN…

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  301. denk says:
    @showmethereal

    Now that Bhutan is bold enough to strike out on its own to befriend China, the PM better watch his back.

    Over the years,
    A Bhutan king was murdered, a PM was ousted by CIA/RAW cuz they tried to reach out to China.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  302. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    LOL! You must believe the Western Propaganda that Emperor Hirohito was nothing but a Saint compared to ‘that greatest mass-murder in human history’. Right, stupid gringo?

  303. @Wizard of Oz

    Hitler seeking to create a greater Germany on most of the European USSR with Slavs as hrlots on Germany’s expanded Lebrnsraum was perhaps sufficient reason to fear Hitler and decide he must be stopped.

    Hitler’s American Dream

    The dictator modeled his racial campaign after another conquest of land and people—America’s Manifest Destiny.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/nazi-germanys-american-dream-hitler-modeled-his-concept-of-racial-struggle-and-global-campaign-after-americas-conquest-of-native-americans.html

  304. antibeast says:
    @anon

    Nice try at historical revisionism. Now, do tell us what these White guys are doing in places like these during WWII:

    • Replies: @anon
  305. @Daemon

    It sounds absolutely outrageous behaviour by the arbitrations tribunal. Can we nail it down further. Come to think of it an old friend of mine has spent many years in international arbitrations and tribunals since his glory days representing Australia in the international court possibly trying to stop Japanese whaling or something I don’t remember). He should know. So if I can get round to it I shall ask him and hope to exchange up to date info with you.

  306. @showmethereal

    Fair enough but don’t you see how confusing it was for you to say there was no price the “mainland” wouldn’t pay? Would you care to start that bit again?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  307. @d dan

    It must be wonderful to be omniscient but I wonder about the mileage you can get in the long term, running on hate. Don’t you have wise Chinese elders to help you reconcile yourself to your disappointments and inadequacies?

    • Replies: @d dan
  308. @d dan

    Excellent dissection of the Sinophobe rogues’ gallery and bestiary. You have Wiz to the life.

  309. @Daemon

    The Arbitration ‘panel’ was a sordid joke. Headed by a Jap ally of the fascist and Nanjing Holocaust denier, Abe, who should have stood aside for obvious bias. He appointed fellow thugs, ALL from NATO regimes, with an African Uncle Tom thrown in for comic relief. A sick, vile, joke.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  310. @Colin Wright

    Xinjiang has been part of China for most of the last 2000 years. Tibet, on and off, for centuries. Manchuria on and off, in various territories, since the Han times, with areas ruled at times my Koreans, the Mongols and various Chinese dynasties, until the Manchus (Qing)ruled the whole country. It stops there, you racist dullard, because China has signed treaties with all its land neighbours (including surrendering the Ussuri regions)save the poor, backward, jealous, Indian compradores.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  311. The amount of kneejerk excuse-making for CCP China on this site is incomprehensible. Nuclear war? Give me a break. This article, and Anglin’s stance in general, are nothing but false choices, hyperbolic fantasies, and cherry-picked history. And all of that is based on the trite little meme that ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’.

    Is the US guilty of enormous outrages? Yes. Is CCP China without fault, because they oppose the US? No. Should the US, all on its own, go to war with China? Reckless and unnecessary. Should the US just turn its back on Taiwan? No, that would be a stupid, short-sighted move.

    Anglin would do better to take off his adolescent rose-colored glasses and start dealing with complex reality like an adult. Reality includes alliances with other independent countries in the region, including especially Japan and India. All of them, solely on their own without US prompting, have historical and cultural reasons for opposing an arrogant, chauvinist, militarist China. And that includes keeping Taiwan independent.

    • Agree: Franklin Ryckaert
  312. @anon

    The US have this peculiar habit of dividing countries that are none of their business –
    Germany, Korea, China, Vietnam, Sudan, Ukraine, …
    makes them feel Uniteder, whatever.

    The salient point is to the Chinese this is a matter of life and death,
    while the Americans it only makes feel omni to shit in others´soup bowls
    just because they can; that alone makes it unwinnable.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  313. @showmethereal

    Small wonder – South Korea would be indefensible in the event, and
    recent US military-diplomatic positioning means they have publicly been
    written off.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  314. @anon

    Percival apologists now argue he wasn´t as stupid as he looked, just worried raising a stink over the defenses would hurt his career; be that as it may, Gen. Yamashita tore him a new one in ways that forever ended the myth of the White man´s invincibility
    (read: Yamashita was really executed for exposing state secrets 😛 ).
    Those diminutive Japs carried twice the combat load of their hunky opponents,
    with bicycles, through 600km of jungle (who do you think gave Uncle Ho the ideas?).
    The heroic defenders outnumbered them 3 to 1 and sat on tons of supplies
    and heavy weapons
    (the loss of the Prince of Wales (“the ship that ran away” against Bismarck)
    and Repulse was more demoralizing to a maritime nation than was warranted).

    Pardon the length, but the same stiff upper-lipped Mortimers again fantasize
    about ruling the South China Sea, holding the Kra Isthmus and keeping
    the Straits open.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  315. @anon

    Oops! Indian *conscripts*. You whole comment is vitiated by such ignorant rubbish. I have checked it, but general knowledge was enough for me to see it as BS to suppose Indians were conscripts.

    • Replies: @anon
  316. Miro23 says:
    @big daddy

    As I may have stated heretofore in this space the Taiwanese must be stupid if they don’t have nuclear arms by hook or crook. Self preservation is obvious and just.

    For a state with only one or two major cities – nuclear weapons probably increase the risk of destruction rather than reduce it.

    For example, there’s the theory is that the UK is safer with its nuclear deterrent – but deploying nuclear weapons makes the UK itself a priority nuclear target. Also, it really only consists of one giant and easy target (London) which if taken out would completely neutralize the country.

    Better to remain well armed but non-nuclear, making life difficult for an occupying power and let the nuclear players engage in MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).

    Conclusion that Taiwan has greater citizen security by remaining non-nuclear.

  317. @Daemon

    Yup that whole kangaroo court was paid for by the US and Japan. Most people have zero clue how the UNCLOS works… All countries that sign up are able to
    The fake kangaroo arbitration ruled that non of the features in the SCS can be considered islands or have territory. Literally every other claimant including the ROC in Taiwan – Malaysia – Vietnam all denounced that ruling because it would negatively affect the features they hold too. But the mainstream media and their propaganda machine don’t report that. Tsai sent the ROC (Taiwan) navy on a patrol to protest that ruling right after. Nobody falls for that garbage. But the psyops against PRC China have a lot money behind it.

  318. @Maddaugh

    “If you ask the average American where Taiwan is they would tell you in New York.”

    That’s because they have a gazillion Chinatowns in New York City.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  319. @denk

    Yes of course just like when Nepal began to build friendship with China – and India tried to overturn the government – I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried in Bhutan. It failed in Nepal – so we will see what will happen. The indian extreme press are already saying “china is trying to trap bhutan” and others are saying “bhutan will never negotiate with china without us”. This stuff is surreal. Sad really.

    • Replies: @denk
  320. @Deep Thought

    “Today, China has proved to be able to withstand anything murrika can throw at it– short of war.”

    And the war is what China is going to get, sooner than you think.

  321. @WIzard of Oz

    I am serious… If we are talking about willingness to go to war – that is absolutely true. There is nothing the mainland wouldn’t pay.
    I see up above somewhere a comparison of England/Scotland(Ireland). That is a completely false comparison. For one thing for it to be a fair comparison then 90 % of Scotland (and Ireland) would have to be Englishmen who migrated or fled there – and that Scotland for decades claimed to be the rightful ruler of all the UK. Then you would have to use maybe Russia as the third party and maybe another power to equate the US and Japan in the background in Taiwan. Scotland and Ireland would have had to have had Russian bases on the land and past Russian interference. Are you with a straight face going to tell me England would accept a Scotland who had Russian bases and weapons and who would almost certainly put them back there. Would England accept a Scotland with the biggest KGB/GRU base in Europe next door??? Be serious.

  322. @Monotonous Languor

    Reality includes alliances with other independent countries in the region, including especially Japan and India.

    Don’t make me laugh!

    The only time japland was “independent” in modern times was when it went off for empire building for itself– instead of doing it for murrika as the latter had intended. Therefore, it was mercilessly NUKED and brought back into line to serving the interest of the great white emperor.

    As for India… Hahaha…:

    .. India had become America’s new trophy wife.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/533574-us-india-allies-against-china/

    All of them, solely on their own without US prompting, have historical and cultural reasons for opposing an arrogant, chauvinist, militarist China.

    All of them have their own expansionist, and imperialist, reasons to become house-niggers, and to ride the coat-tail, of the great white emperor, who is the world’s MOST expansionist, arrogant, chauvinist, militarist, hypocritical, merciless, … monster:

    A US Central Command investigation found that an aid worker and nine members of his family, including seven children, died in the 29 August strike.

    The youngest child, Sumaya, was just two years old.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58604655

    The US Has Been at war 225 out of 243 years since 1776

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/595752-the-us-has-been-at-war-225-out-of-243-years-since-1776

    Its avid students in empire building include both japland and NAZI Germany:

    Hitler’s American Dream

    The dictator modeled his racial campaign after another conquest of land and people—America’s Manifest Destiny.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/nazi-germanys-american-dream-hitler-modeled-his-concept-of-racial-struggle-and-global-campaign-after-americas-conquest-of-native-americans.html

  323. @nokangaroos

    The salient point is to the Chinese this is a matter of life and death,

    Oh, yeah? Which Chinese think that? How do you know, especially given the objective realities? And do you consider those objective realities to be serious enough for China’s security that it makes it a matter of life and death?

  324. denk says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    TW can wait.
    The wives are engrossed in mainland dramas.
    The hubbies are making monies and keeping 2nd wife in mainland.
    they are doing fine, certainly not in a hurry to risk a PLA blitzkrieg just so TW can get a separate seat in the UN.
    thank you very much

    Why not Ryukyu independence ?
    The Ryukyu ren have been crying out for help for 70 years.

    Why not the ‘Indian’ northeast, ?
    the victims of 70 years genocidal wars ?

    Why not the Kashmiris ?
    Where there’s real genocide on your beloved Muslims, unlike the Uighurs BS

    No sense of priority eh ?

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  325. Maddaugh says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    LOL. I dont understand so maybe you can explain to me.

    If China is such a wonderful utopia why are there millions of them in the US with more stuffed in containers headed this way although thousands are probably stuck on those container ships off the west coast.

    Why are Biff, Jumblebrain and Dee Dee Dan + Chinaman living in the west ?

  326. denk says:
    @showmethereal

    In Nepal,
    CIA/RAW wiped out the entire family of king Birendra in 2001, cuz he wanna befriend China.
    Birendra’s successor was again ousted by ​Delhi sponsored maoists in 2015, ending centuries of monarchy rule.
    Indian intervention /destabilisation in Nepal continues unabated until this day.

    They dont call India the FUS of South Asia for nuthin

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  327. Maddaugh says:
    @Chinaman

    What are you doing back on UR. I thought you had been bitch slapped enough. Did you not write a tearful going away note saying you would never use this site again ? LOL

    Forget Singapore, every war has defeats. We came back and took the place and executed the Tiger of Malaya, I mean the Pussycat of Malaya. The West WON the war. As for the Chinks, you need to brush up on your history. The US had to send General Stillwell to lead the Chinese forces. The Chinese Generals then and even now were useless ! Just recently you girls could not even beat up a few scrawny Hindus armed with Taiwanese umbrellas.

    Lets talk about Nanking, a Japanese raped and slaughtered over 300K Chinese who could have resisted. They just lay back and took it. Listen, the cowards, weaklings and pussies are the Chinese. Think about it, from England a small band of whites transformed Hong Kong from a shitty poverty stricken village to an economic powerhouse. The Gooks in the CCp have already half ruined the place. No Chinaman was ever able to do the opposite.

    Chinese have always been lower than dogs. That is why the white conquerors had signs that said “NO DOGS AND NO CHINESE”.

    LOL. Like you President She is a bitch and contrary to all the hullabaloo there aint going to be any reunification because She does not have the balls. Besides what do you care, you live in Australia and are a miserable cur hungry for a pat on the head by any white man.

    As for nuclear war, we already put two up the asses of those Japanese. China may be next. BOOOOOOM !! LMAO. You and the other Chink mongrels in Australia, its going to be a nice cosy camp in the outback……tending one of those crocodile farms ! LOL. Nothing like like some sweet and sour Chinks for those 15 foot salties.

    • Troll: showmethereal
  328. @Deep Thought

    Today, China has proved to be able to withstand anything murrika can throw at it– short of war.

    No, this needs a correction. Not only “short of war”, should be “short of all-out nuclear war”.

    People only see the current military balance, which favors the U.S. Navy and Air Force (but probably not the Army or Marines – “land war in Asia”, and all that).

    They forget that wars, if one side or the other simply does not quit, always favors the larger economy, with the much greater industrial capacity. That greater civilian economic power is clearly China, because exchange rates are increasingly unrelated to reality, while purchasing power parity is the real measure.

    As to “all out nuclear war” vs China: That’s why they are currently building some 400 missile silos, and an unknown but very large number of mobile ICBM systems. The Russians believe that right at this moment, China already has not 300, but 1,500 strategic warheads. And that force is increasing.

    Here’s the TLDR:

    A conventional war is slow suicide for the attacker.
    A nuclear war is quick suicide, for everybody.

    Maybe, just maybe, the long term play should be to fix up our society and compete peacefully with China? Nobody really loses in a strictly civilian peaceful contest, after all. Why don’t we?

  329. @Monotonous Languor

    Let us be honest. You only want an alliance with India because it is still poor… You only like Japan now because they are willing to bow. That’s an adult truth. Prior to British imperialism – India and China got along just fine. Prior to the 8 Nation Alliance against China – Japan was simply mischevious – but often junior partner of China (you have no clue how much of Japanese culture is based on China). Both sides only became anti China because of the west. And because you are too much of a coward to fight China yourself you seek “allies” (really lackeys). The same way you are scared of Russia so use NATO as the front lines. That is adult talk.

    • Replies: @anon
  330. Yee says:

    denk,

    Now that Bhutan is bold enough to strike out on its own to befriend China, the PM better watch his back.

    The king of Bhutan should watch his back, lest his entire family got massacred, Nepal Birendra style. Or have his kingdom annexed, Sikkim style.

    • Replies: @denk
  331. @A Half Naked Fakir

    I realize you are a troll – but to anyone with sense – they already know the US with allies and China fought and the balance of power was much more in favor of the US and allies back then.

    China likes peace because China likes to do business… But China is not scared of fighting. Big difference.

  332. @Maddaugh

    “Why are Biff, Jumblebrain and Dee Dee Dan + Chinaman living in the west ?”

    Because those incompetent assholes would starve to death, if they were back in China. At least, here they enjoy yummy Micky D treats every Saturday morning, while bashing their benefactors… they’re truly repugnant.

  333. @denk

    “Why not the Kashmiris ?
    Where there’s real genocide on your beloved Muslims, unlike the Uighurs BS”

    What a crock of shit! But if it makes you feel any better, I would accept that the Kashmir needs a genocide but the Indians are too timid to commit such acts, unlike the chinaman, who is showing the world how a real genocide could be done. China gets three cheers for gassing the Uighurs!

  334. Maddaugh says:
    @anon

    The vast majority of mainland Chinese absolutely know where Taiwan is, and they are programmed from infancy to regard it as Chinese territory. They regard the the unification of all China as a holy and sacred mission. In fact, it’s a nice distraction from the gross economic inequality in Chinese society. The real question is: how far do they go beyond Taiwan? For Chinese, all of Asia basically belongs to them. Asia aside, Chinese tend to believe in their own ethnic supremacy, much like White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, and Zionists.

    What a load ! The vast majority of Chinese dont even know where their neighbouring village is located. As for it being a holy and sacred mission, President She is sure taking a lot of time to accomplish it. What is he waiting for, a cheap fortune cookie predicting success ?

    As for gross economic inequality in China, many people believe this bullshit about She lifting millions of Chinese out of poverty. I have travelled in China, Honey, and I can tell you that the worse slum in the west is a heaven on earth compared to most of the living conditions in your great country. When we talk about lifting millions out of poverty we need to define poverty in China. What it means is that instead of one meal of rice every week, the poor now get a bowl with some vegetables sprinkled on top every three days. Instead of carrying water 5 miles from a polluted well or river, there is a communal tap where you can take a wash in brown water every few days. Progress is when the average Chink can wipe his ass with part of the Communist newspapers when he takes a dump, instead of a clump of dried grass or a cloth he washes when it can be used no longer. In other words from sheer poverty the Chinese have been elevated to abject poverty.

    The country, all the glamour of the glitzy cities (many of which are crumbling and semi-inhabited) , remains a third world shit hole !

    China will never be allowed to go beyond Asia. As I said, they dont have the nuts to even take on stupid little Taiwan. As for their pride in ethnic supremacy, what pride and what ethic supremacy ? They have always been a race of suck ass Asians hungry to live with whites.

    When a race will shift thousands of miles to live in white country, in a black area, to collect bottles and cans, or to work as slaves for their own people in some miserable, dingy, smelly and diseased ridden Chinatown, what pride and ethnic supremacy can they possibly have ?

  335. @A Half Naked Fakir

    And the war is what China is going to get, sooner than you think.

    China has already had it– in Korea. Some people prefer to forget about it. 😀

    • Agree: showmethereal
  336. @Maddaugh

    If China is such a wonderful utopia why are there millions of them in the US with more stuffed in containers headed this way although thousands are probably stuck on those container ships off the west coast.

    China isn’t “such a wonderful utopia”. murrika is–

    “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”– but not to murrika, unless you have already made yourself into a multi-millionaire in China. Otherwise, they will build a wall to stop you getting there, separate you from you little kids (who are still unable to look after themselves…)

    United States officials are separating migrant children from their families at the border, causing severe and lasting harm, Human Rights Watch said today.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/07/11/us-family-separation-harming-children-families

    • Troll: schnellandine
    • Replies: @raga10
  337. anon[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    It was a great victory for the Japanese. No doubt about that. Also, the commanders were Anglos, but you are neglecting the fact that 40,000 of those troops at Singapore were Indian volunteers, which might not have been the majority but did constitute almost half of the troops there, which was made up of garrison troops.

    So you guys are fans of the Imperial Japanese now? They are the ones who supposedly massacred the Chinese at Nanjing and conquered China in a short span of time, and the British/Aussies/Americans were fighting with the Chinese. Are the Chinese major pussies in the way they lost their country? The Japanese were allies with the Nazis (i.e. supposedly the arch “white supremacists”), with whom they shared intelligence. I thought you guys were upset about people defending Japan. Now you are suddenly pro-Japan. I guess the goal posts always change for purposes of trolling.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @showmethereal
  338. @denk

    The late ruler of Nepal had a title: Raja Maharaja Bir Bikram Shaha Deva.

    The last time I checked it was from Sanskrit and not from Chang, Ching, Chong.

    One of the prime ministers of that kingdom put it perfectly: with China we have friendship but with India we have brotherhood, i.e. religious affinity which Nepal can never have with the communist dogs of China.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @showmethereal
  339. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You’re right. They were volunteers. I apologize to British readers for misrepresenting them as forcibly putting colonial subjects in harms way.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  340. @Coag

    Best use of your time would be to listen to a couple of Copley podcasts. I think you and Copley would agree on many things. What former Icelandic president His Excellency Ólafur Grímsson thinks about the world isn’t of much import.

    Gregory Copley: The Fear Pandemic, End of Democracy, & New Total War
    https://m.soundcloud.com/geopoliticsandempire/gregory-copley-the-fear-pandemic-end-of-democracy-new-total-war-193

    Gregory Copley: Nationalism vs Globalism & the US-China Total War
    http://www.stitcher.com/show/geopolitics-empire/episode/gregory-copley-nationalism-vs-globalism-the-us-china-total

    Art of Victory website has Gregory Copley’s bio and lists the books he has written. Also has some good links:
    http://artofvictory.com/

    Copley is president of the International Strategic Studies Association at strategic studies.org

    Copley is a weekly guest on the John Batchelor Show. You can scroll thru Batchelor’s Twitter to get links to the Copley segments: @batchelorshow

  341. antibeast says:
    @anon

    No, I don’t admire the IJA but merely stating a fact that their military conquest of Southeast Asia was highly successful, which actually surprised the Japanese themselves who never expected the Westerners to surrender that easily. And lest I forget, the Japanese were tied down in a military stalemate in China due to Chiang’s refusal to surrender which forced the Japanese to launch the ‘Southern Campaign’ to ‘liberate’ Southeast Asia from Western colonialism.

    The IJA captured several hundred thousand Western POWs who were then shipped to slave labor camps in Japan, Manchuria, Taiwan and Southeast Asia. That was true even though the Western colonial armies did include non-Western troops made up of locals (Malay) or foreigners (Indians) which does not imply the absence of Western troops. That was the point of my rebuttal.

    Most Western historians view Chiang’s defense of Republican China as either inept or cowardly because he opted to fight a ‘war of attrition’ against the IJA in China. But Chinese nationalists have long viewed Chiang’s war against the IJA as heroic against all odds which bogged down the Japanese for eight years in China. Contrast that to the abysmal performance of the Western Powers who surrendered after five months of fighting despite their military and numerical superiority over the Japanese.

    What WWII proved was that Westerners ain’t warriors but are sissies with big egos which failed them when the war came. MacArthur in particular was obsessed with returning to the Philippines where he abandoned his USAFFE troops to the IJA after escaping to Australia on a submarine. That’s still true to this day: the Yanks want the Japs, Indians, Filipinos, etc. to fight China on their behalf because they themselves are not willing to fight China.

    No need for the Japs, Indians, Filipinos, etc. to get involved as the Yanks can name the time and place for THEIR war against China. If the Yanks lose, THEY leave East Asia.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  342. denk says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    listen up mofo,

    When king Birendra’s family was wiped out in 2001, the Nepalese protesters on the streets chanted,

    Deah to China India/FUS

    As for

    Kashmir

    The world Muslim council went to Xinjiang to investigate, their verdict…

    HOgwash !
    its India who should answer for its genocide of Muslim instead

    But you’d rather lap up conman adrian zenz’s BS, typical gringo retard.

    Dont waste my time again unless u’ve something sensible to say , fucking idiot

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  343. denk says:
    @Yee

    In South Asia, the thought of being Bhutanised, which is just one step away from Sikkimisation, make the folks sit up in cold sweat in middle of night, especially for Sri Lankans and Nepalese, who bear the blunt of RAW/CIA /MI6 destabilisation for decades.

    Over there, moms use the scare of Bhutanisation, Sikkimisation and Fijisation to tame their rowdy kids.

    https://newsblaze.com/world/south-asia/indias-hand-in-nepal-royal-palace-massacre-2001_10054/

  344. anon[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    At the very least, all the Sinosphere nations of China, 2 Koreans, Japan, and Vietnam should make an effort to put all BS aside and unite. We have too much in common and have to many outsider aliens wanting to fuck with Asia for several centuries at this point.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  345. denk says:
    @Maddaugh

    How many women, children, dogs,cats, sheeps have your brave warriors murdered from 2 miles up in the sky or drone console in Langley ?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51172.htm

    Conservative estimate…

    30M killed,
    40M displaced.

    Why’r these pos defecating all over the place, they should be in jail waiting for a firing squad.

    Get outta my sight u fucking murderers, !

  346. @Maddaugh

    Clausewitz noted (putting Napoleon into perspective, a tall order for any guy)
    that in the end quantity will always win out because quality cannot be
    increased indefinitely.
    Apart from slaughtering feather Injun women and children the US never
    really excelled at anything;
    Washington (George, not Sodom) mobilized more men against the
    Whiskey Rebellion than at any one time against the British
    (the Original Sin, if you will), the South was better, the Germans were better,
    the Japs were better. In each case the vanquished had better fighters and the more
    righteous cause ( Victrix causa dis placuit sed victa Catoni 😉 ),
    it was decided by sheer industrial mass.

    Well guess what … 😛

    • Agree: denk
  347. @anon

    Sometimes I feel so glad I’m not Indian. I mean, their Anglo masters spend their worthless lives without care and when something goes wrong they blame it on the racial inferiority of their Indian slaves. And despite all that they serve their Anglo masters with enthusiasm. Asking only bobs and vagene in return.

    I mean, how pathetic is that?

    • Replies: @anon
  348. @Maddaugh

    The US had to send General Stillwell to lead the Chinese forces. The Chinese Generals then and even now were useless !

    That was the forces of General Cash-my-cheque. Did you see the Unclese sent Dugout Doug to lead the PVA in Korea?! Truman sacked him for being too good in fighting with his boastful BIG mouth instead!

    Forget Singapore, every war has defeats. We came back and took the place and executed the Tiger of Malaya, I mean the Pussycat of Malaya. The West WON the war. As for the Chinks, you need to brush up on your history.

    “Forget Singapore”, of course. Singapore was where the well-armed brits surrendered WITHOUT a fight– Not some event that you want to remember!!! Even Cash-my-cheque’s forces tried harder than that. But the Chinese dumped Gen. Cash’s forces for the PLA. What have the brits done with theirs?

    Lets talk about Nanking, a Japanese raped and slaughtered over 300K Chinese who could have resisted. They just lay back and took it.

    Again, these are forces of Cash-my-cheque. who was supported by the white West– precisely because the whites KNEW that he was a pussy and would sell out China and the Chinese people. For the opposite reasons, the whites hate Mao and his PLA!

    Think about it, from England a small band of whites transformed Hong Kong from a shitty poverty stricken village to an economic powerhouse.

    “a small band of whites did NOT “transform Hong Kong from a shitty poverty stricken village to an economic powerhouse.” It was the millions of Chinese who did so. That was why the GDP per capita of HK is now higher than that of Britain, when it was a fraction of Britain’s in the 1960s. The band of whites DID turn “the empire on which the sun never sets” into a mediocre nation it is today.

    Singapore, which got rid of its “small band of whites” from the very start of its independence, has done even BETTER!

    Chinese have always been lower than dogs. That is why the white conquerors had signs that said “NO DOGS AND NO CHINESE”.

    That showed how really brave the brits were/are, doen’t it. When they met the real Chinese fighters, they turned tail:

    “British forces successfully escaped

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amethyst_Incident

    And on the 1st of July, 1997, the brits turned tail even more MEEKLY. 😀 I was in HK at that time. I did NOT see the brits stand and fight.

    As for nuclear war, we already put two up the asses of those Japanese. China may be next.

    China doesn’t want nuclear war but– just in case someone else wants one– China tested some new toy:

    China tests new space capability with hypersonic missile

    Launch in August of nuclear-capable rocket that circled the globe took US intelligence by surprise

    https://www.ft.com/content/ba0a3cde-719b-4040-93cb-a486e1f843fb

    So, Make My Day!

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  349. d dan says:
    @WIzard of Oz

    “wonderful to be omniscient”

    No, not omniscient. Just doing my civic duty to help cleanse the thread.

    “I wonder about the mileage you can get in the long term, running on hate.”

    Again, no hate. No emotion. Only factual and logical statements – like what most Chinese usually behave. The only difference is style: direct instead of subtle, emphatic instead of politeness, focused instead of fuzziness. That is why you are not used to it and feel uncomfortable.

  350. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…So, I don’t see it as a comparable “no further demands” situation unless you can conceive of a mad expansionist deciding for example that the Philippines untermenschen should be replaced by Han, and then on and on.’

    Your argument here is valid — but not conclusive.

    Merely because China is not ‘as bad as Hitler’ doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t move to head off any further expansionist projects.

    Think of China as akin to Louis XIV’s France. Not exactly evil incarnate — but perhaps best not to just let it have its way about everything either.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  351. @denk

    A chinaman calling others retard is like pot calling kettle black.

    Anyway, nuclear war is rolling your way and after China (in its present form) is no more, the world is going to be peaceful and prosperous and everyone will be awarded with Chinese happy ending.

  352. @Maddaugh

    “When a race will shift thousands of miles to live in white country, in a black area, to collect bottles and cans, or to work as slaves for their own people in some miserable, dingy, smelly and diseased ridden Chinatown, what pride and ethnic supremacy can they possibly have ?”

    It’s the most succinct statement on the nature of chinaman!

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  353. anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @The_MasterWang

    Sometimes I feel so glad I’m not Indian.

    That’s a typical Jewish attitude. You guys always feel good about not being a Gentile because you consider Gentiles to be goyim (i.e. cattle). It actually reminds me of a prayer that Jewish children in some Orthodox communities are taught to recite: “Lord, thank you for not making me a Gentile or a woman.” Were you raised Orthodox?

  354. raga10 says:
    @Deep Thought

    Otherwise, they will build a wall to stop you getting there

    Check this out: this Chinaman actually has the gall to criticize another country for … wait for it …. BUILDING A WALL !!!

    • LOL: schnellandine
  355. AKAHorace says:
    @Colin Wright

    Morally, your argument is sound.

    Unfortunately — particularly with great big dogs like China — morality is not the only element in the equation.

    You may be correct. The right thing to do is defend Taiwan, but the cost of doing so might destroy us. If this is the case we should admit it rather than pretending that the Taiwanese want or deserve to be taken over.

    There is a tendency discussions on Unz, perhaps also in most discussions, to argue that the side that we think is right is also strongest, or that the side that is strongest is right. So a recent posting about how much damage the Israelis had done to Lebanon also had to pretend that Israel was weak and ineffictive (a random example). Many of Saker’s postings about Russia have the same tendency. See post 353 for another example of this.

    We should admit to ourselves that the good guys don’t always win, it helps us see the world more clearly.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  356. @Colin Wright

    Another banal exercise in projection by a really nassty race supremacist Sinophobe.

  357. @Maddaugh

    Mad Dog by name, Mad Dog by nature. One of those Sinophobe vermin who actually believe that the Chinese still live in poverty and squalour, adding pig ignorance to genocidal hatred. I give you Homo lunaticus.

  358. The American government is a jointly occupied government. China is one of the occupiers. China controls the main corporations that fund much of the political system and elections. If China and the other occupiers decide to liquidate all or a portion of the US military, a war will be scripted to accomplish that.

    The US government has never pretended to lead the other members of it’s ad hoc empire. It has always acted with the pretense of imposing it’s power upon them and them following along. This system broke down with Nixon but Jew media kept up the superpower optics as it served their own interests.

    The US has basically been a Jew prison since Nixon with a measurable loss of freedom and living standards each year since. An unambiguous naval defeat in the Western Pacific will be the coup de grace. It’s likely because of the current race to debase the currency ahead of the sinking of half of the Navy in one fell swoop.

    Anglin seems unaware the deep level of how controlled the US system is by the occupiers. China, Israel, Moscow, Mexico. But hey, Anglin has a publication and I don’t so he’s got that. I got my opinions.

  359. @A Half Naked Fakir

    “mongrels”! The Faker should check a dictionary. The word applies better to Americans than to Chinese people.

  360. @Jett Rucker

    Not really. The US havers and wavers, changes its mind and changes it back again. It’s like a fruit machine: I’m waiting for “China friend, Russia friend, invaders eradicated from Palestine” to come up. Jackpot! And it’s actually the best outcome for the USA.

  361. @InnerCynic

    Here’s a nation with countless square miles of empty land that could be put to good use but instead of doing the “smart” thing it bloviates and bellows over something that should simply be left alone.

    Ah yes, the United States. You’re talking about Texas! “Let it go, let it go, ’cause that’s the only way I know, that you’ll find love, and peace, and happiness, and rainbows in the sky.”

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  362. @raga10

    Oh come now, Mr Dass! You might as well say that Palestine is threatening to nuke Iran. Both Palestine and Russia suffered under their biggest enemy. Now the (((Soviets))) have metastasised, Russians are free to befriend their neighbours.

    • Replies: @raga10
  363. raga10 says:
    @Badger Down

    Now the (((Soviets))) have metastasised, Russians are free to befriend their neighbours.

    My view is that Russia is Russia, whether led by Tzar, Communist Party or whatever the current government is (though I might note that Putin was also a KGB employee under previous regime, so there’s more than a little continuity there).

    Relations between Russia and China were always somewhat strained and they are naturally competitors more than friends, in my opinion.

    You might as well say that Palestine is threatening to nuke Iran.

    Now why would I say such a thing? Palestinians don’t have nukes in the first place… but Russians certainly do. And I’m not saying that Russia is going to nuke China either; just that they don’t necessarily need to be best pals, unless America pushes them together..

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  364. @antibeast

    I recall an old diplomat who was at university at the time of the Russo-Japanese war, when the Russians lost, badly, pinpointing that as the time when the invincibility of the Westerners was punctured.

    While that might partly support your comments it is worth pointing out that, e.g. the German army was the best and most effective of all, and, even if you don’t count the USSR as Western, it did whip the Japanese in 1938 on the Manchurian border. Australians holding out against Rommel in Tobruk is another example of bravery combined with competence. If you know anything about military affairs you know that many factors are involved and, in particular that the Germsns and Japanese had been training their armies for a lot longer than the Anglos.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @antibeast
  365. @AKAHorace

    ‘The right thing to do is defend Taiwan, but the cost of doing so might destroy us…’

    Put that way, my position would be that we should do what we can to discourage China from seizing Taiwan. Make it expensive, but if China wants to pay the price, admit we can’t stop her.

    To do otherwise — to pretend we’d accept a million dead Americans and plunge the Orient into World War Three to prevent it — is bullshit. No one will believe us, and we’ll just wind up humiliating ourselves.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Thanks: AKAHorace
  366. @anon

    Be careful! There are penalties for courteously admitting error on UR😉

  367. raga10 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Even if you don’t count the USSR as Western, it did whip the Japanese in 1938 on the Manchurian border.

    Not to mention much larger scale smackdown in Manchuria proper, in 1945.

    But as for that Tsushima thing – Russia was never much of a naval power, were they? I doubt Japanese would’ve fared so well against British navy, for example.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  368. @Deep Thought

    Save your words for redeemable ignoramuses😊

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  369. Sisifo says:
    @Maddaugh

    I have travelled in China, Honey, and I can tell you that the worse slum in the west is a heaven on earth compared to most of the living conditions in your great country.

    Probably I’ve lived and travelled in another China, Detroit and many other American cities, on the other hand…

  370. @nokangaroos

    Yes that is true – but I honestly don’t think it would happen. Remember PM Moon is adamant about Korea having joint command now… Others have tried but the US rebuffed them. It is getting closer and closer. Moon absolutely does not want South Korea to be used as a pawn militarily. That is why he shut down further THAAD deployments. He understands the game. I don’t have intel – but reading from the outside – along with the things I measured in my last comment is he is pretty clear to China “no we won’t let our land be used against you”. Plus even if another party gets into power that is more deferential to the US will recognize that if South Korea joined in – Kim would get the green light in the North.

  371. Yee says:

    anon[387],

    At the very least, all the Sinosphere nations of China, 2 Koreans, Japan, and Vietnam should make an effort to put all BS aside and unite. We have too much in common and have to many outsider aliens wanting to fuck with Asia for several centuries at this point.

    Yes. The US wants nothing more than a war in Asia right now.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @d dan
  372. @anon

    When did Japan conquer China??? That’s lying saying Germany conquered Russia. Fact is more Japanese died in China than any other theatre of WW2. They were advancing but could never seal the deal – which is why they got desperate and attacked the US. They were stagnating trying to advance in China and so had nothing else to lose when the US stopped supplying them.

  373. @A Half Naked Fakir

    The delusions of brotherhood with India were broken when Nepal was blockaded by India who basically tried to starve them. Since then they have only drawn closer to China and are hoping China will build a railway for them to connect to China’s supply chain so they don’t have to rely on India anymore. What planet do you get your news from?

  374. denk says:

    No point talking to no shame, no moral , no brain white trash.

    faq time,

    Good men died young, or was uncle Charley murdered ?

    As for you “love-it-or-leave-it” blockheads, you leave it and go fight instead of sending someone else if you are such grand warriors. What I love are the people and the land, not the government.

    The ptb killed them all, Reese, Harry Browne, Charmer JOhnson, BLum, Pinter, Parry,…
    and keep the dregs.

    [MORE]

    tIP OF an iceberg,

    Reese would be turning in his grave with the kind of blockheads running amok in his old country these days.

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2001-04-22-0104210037-story.html

    ——————-
    naked fucker

    A chinaman calling others retard is like pot calling kettle black.

    first some english lesson.
    kettle means you admit yourself a mug,
    idiot.

    Anyway, nuclear war is rolling your way

    So its your wars, not the jew’s wars, not Israel’s wars.

    Thank you for confirming…for the 1001 time.

    ITS THE MUG , STUPID

    QED.

    ps
    FUNny the mugs all come with equally stupid handle to match.

  375. d dan says:
    @Yee

    “…all the Sinosphere nations of China, 2 Koreans, Japan, and Vietnam should make an effort to put all BS aside and unite.”

    Yes. The US wants nothing more than a war in Asia right now.

    But White trashes won’t even allow Chinese to unite and live peacefully, let alone the whole East Asia. They have discouraged Taiwan from peacefully reunify with China for 70 years, and try to do so indefinitely. Just see those evil Whites trashes like Colin Wright, Wizard of Oz, AKAHorace and others (e.g. comment #371):

    “discourage China from seizing Taiwan. Make it expensive, …”

    • Replies: @anon
  376. antibeast says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You’re right about the Aussies who were fighting for the survival of their White nation against the Japs during WWII. Indeed, Aussies to this day harbor anti-Japanese sentiments precisely due to the savagery of the Japs who almost conquered Australia. With only 20% of the IJA, the Japs DID conquer the whole of Southeast Asia, in five months time, after failing to defeat Chiang who tied down 80% of the IJA in China for eight long years.

    Western critics love to bash Chiang for being allegedly ‘inept’ or ‘corrupt’ but the fact remains that he refused to surrender and continued to fight the Japs until HE won the war against the Japs who surrendered to HIM. In contrast, MacArthur not only abandoned his USAFFE troops to the Japs but betrayed his own men by striking a sweetheart deal with Hirohito in exchange for protection from war crime prosecution after the WWII. That’s why Aussies to this day have never forgiven MacArthur for betraying Australia which sought the prosecution of Hirohito for war-crimes.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  377. @raga10

    Check this out: this Chinaman actually has the gall to criticize another country for … wait for it …. BUILDING A WALL !!!

    Any other country is entitled to build walls to Make Itself Great Again. The trouble with murrika is that it is not a legitimate country– It is an occupation pretending to ba a sovereign nation!

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/sinophobia-lies-and-hybrid-war/#comment-4192007

  378. @Wizard of Oz

    Save your words for redeemable ignoramuses

    You have to have taken my words to give me a reply. But you remain Un-redeemable!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  379. @anon

    Absolutely correct… Really it’s Japan that is the holdout. Even now the 2 Koreas could find a way to unite if the US wasn’t involved. I don’t see Kim giving up power – but they could indeed develop stronger ties as was happening. I saw this wonderful documentary of a South Korean (see below) born woman who is living in Germany who visited the North. It’s so sad that they can’t have some type of formal unification. Joint Olympics teams are a start though.

    • Replies: @anon
  380. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Who gives a fuck about the Aussies? Anglo criminal descendants dont belong in Asia anyway.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  381. @showmethereal

    @A Half Naked Fakir

    The delusions of brotherhood with India were broken when Nepal was blockaded by India who basically tried to starve them…

    China won’t allow this “brotherhood” crap because:

    We unilaterally drew borders that even the British, a more powerful nation, took care not to. Having drawn them, we transgressed them with bravado not matched with military and political capability, paying a heavy price not only in lives but also in morale and national shame for an adventure that could have been avoided and settled on the table.

    Even if negotiations failed and we did not unilaterally take aggressive steps, the matter could even today have been as it was in 1959. To effect a border settlement would mean to admit the tacit error of Nehru and exorcising the belief that we were innocent victims in 1962 and that the Chinese cannot be trusted.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/et-commentary/chinese-checkers-on-border-board-will-india-make-the-winning-move/articleshow/13939408.cms

    Will the Indians recognise that:

    We need to educate our people that it was our fault, be transparent, not withhold facts and build up a consensus. Those who swear of “not letting go even an inch of territory” should be given guns and sent to the border.

    The country is being held hostage to the ego and the Himalayan blunders of one man, long dead, and probably the worst first CEO of any major country. Only one major gain: Mao-Tse Tung, whose dictum, “never start a war that you cannot win”, which Nehru learnt the hard way, was primarily responsible for galvanising the Indian army.

  382. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    After Sinosphere, SE Asia and Central Asia should be next. Its long past-time for the “Mongoloid” race to unite. Everyone else is becoming more racial by the day while Asians are still stuck in autistic petty-nationalist mode, fighting amongst each other.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  383. @antibeast

    My uncle was in his 30s and put his stockbroking on hold to join up as a medic (or maybe it was Red Cross) in time to be imprisoned in Changi. It wasn’t till he and his partner took in some young graduates at the end of the 50s that his firm would consider doing business with the Japanese. But that is all very much in the past and I think only about 1 or 2 % of Aussies would even know or remember why there might be resentment of Japanese. In (undeserved) fairness to MacArthur he was I think told to leave the Philippines by the President. And I have long concluded that the best thing he did was to whitewash the Emperor’s offences for which the Allies were inventing international laws so that Japan has been one of the success stories of the second half of the 20th century right up to now.
    As a footnote my Japanese in laws make one wonder how the Japanese could have behaved as they did in the 30s and 40s.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  384. antibeast says:
    @anon

    There is a good reason why White Aussies still exist to this day: the marauding Japs didn’t have enough troops to overrun Australia because 80% of the IJA was tied down in China. If Chiang had surrendered China, then the Japs would have enough manpower to conquer White Australia and implement their ‘Asia for Asians’ policy by genociding the White Aussies.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
  385. antibeast says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I mentioned the case of MacArthur and Hirohito as a way to illustrate the utter hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of the West which has been constantly demonizing Mao for the past half-century for the simple crime of liberating China and the Chinese from gangster-capitalists and foreign imperialists. Compared to the Germans, the Japanese got the kid gloves treatment by the West. You’ll never see Hollywood movies about those ‘Evul Japs’ but always hear about those ‘Evul Nazis’.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  386. @antibeast

    The number of victims of Japanese war crimes was far smaller than the number of victims of “Great Helmsman” Mao Zedong, which is estimated at 65 million.

    For Japanese warcrimes:

    “…Japanese war crimes
    Main article: Japanese war crimes

    Included with total war dead are victims of Japanese war crimes.

    R. J. Rummel estimates the civilian victims of Japanese democide at 5,964,000. Detailed by country: China 3,695,000; Indochina 457,000; Korea 378,000; Indonesia 375,000; Malaya-Singapore 283,000; Philippines 119,000, Burma 60,000 and Pacific Islands 57,000. Rummel estimates POW deaths in Japanese custody at 539,000 Detailed by country: China 400,000; French Indochina 30,000; Philippines 27,300; Netherlands 25,000; France 14,000; Britain 13,000; British Colonies 11,000; U.S. 10,700; Australia 8,000.
    Werner Gruhl estimates the civilian deaths at 20,365,000. Detailed by country: China 12,392,000; Indochina 1,500,000; Korea 500,000; Dutch East Indies 3,000,000; Malaya and Singapore 100,000; Philippines 500,000; Burma 170,000; Forced laborers in Southeast Asia 70,000, 30,000 interned non-Asian civilians; Timor 60,000; Thailand and Pacific Islands 60,000. Gruhl estimates POW deaths in Japanese captivity at 331,584. Detailed by country: China 270,000; Netherlands 8,500; Britain 12,433; Canada 273; Philippines 20,000; Australia 7,412; New Zealand 31; and the United States 12,935. Out of 60,000 Indian Army POWs taken at the Fall of Singapore, 11,000 died in captivity.[237] There were 14,657 deaths among the total 130,895 western civilians interned by the Japanese due to famine and disease.[238][239]

    Source: https://wiki2.org/en/World_War_II_casualties#Japanese_war_crimes

    Japanese war criminals were convicted at the military tribunal in Tokyo.

    The fact that German war crimes are more depicted in American films than Japanese war crimes, is not to be ascribed to “Western hypocrisy”, but to the fact that Hollywood is owned by Jews.

    People who subsribe to the Mao cult are of course free to do so, but that comes at a moral price.

  387. Darf ich eureren Artikel so verstehen, dass ihr ohne mit der Wimper zu zucken zusehen würdet
    wie die bolschewistischen Rotchinesen die Menschen in der Republik China abschlachten tun.?

    May I understand your article to mean that you would watch without batting an eyelid
    as the Bolshevik Red Chinese slaughter the people of the Republic of China?

  388. @coverich63

    Yes, that is the core of the problem.

  389. d dan says:
    @coverich63

    “Bolshevik Red Chinese slaughter the people of the Republic of China?”

    They won’t. You think that way either through projection of your own culture/history, or through brainwashed propaganda of the past 80 years.

  390. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “victims of “Great Helmsman” Mao Zedong, which is estimated at 65 million.”

    Readers are supposed to believe these numbers about victims of Mao, and the victims of Japanese war crimes, from someone who can’t get a simple map correct? From a dumb commenter who repeatedly fail to figure out what is the extend of the claims of Chinese territory? (all info readily available in public, and multiple kind commenters try to help you) But they are supposed to believe you on info and numbers that are highly controversial, complicated, classified and non-public?

    “Japanese war criminals were convicted at the military tribunal in Tokyo.”

    Not all of them. Those who were willing to kiss America assholes and those who were useful to MacArthur were spared. Obviously you know that already? Oh, sorry, you may be too stupid to know that.

    Furthermore, what about those criminals that genocides millions of natives in Americas, Australia, Africa and elsewhere? Those criminals who kidnapped millions of slaves across continents? Those who starved millions of colonial peoples in India, Africa, Asia and Americas? Those who profited from selling opium and burning Chinese palaces? Those who started wars of aggression and expansionism? Those who were responsible for fire bombing in Tokyo, responsible for agent orange in Indo-China? Those who bomb and kill millions of Muslims? Most of them were never punished, and thousands are still ALIVE, still working hard to genocide, killing, bombing their victims throughout the world TODAY?

    But, but, but, you only want to talk ONLY about ONE person, a person who were death for almost half a century ago!

    DPP and Taiwanese people need to ask for refund of their money from you.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  391. @showmethereal

    China can’t feed itself, let alone Nepal!

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  392. @coverich63

    May I understand your article to mean that you would watch without batting an eyelid as the Bolshevik Red Chinese slaughter the people of the Republic of China?

    The Cash-My-Cheque people slaughtered the Red Chinese and started the Chinese civil war. They decimated the entire urban communist movement in China and the few survivors had to escape to the rural Jinggangshan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre

    You make early 20th century China look like a modern international school:

    Once upon a time and a half, a teacher at an international school noticed a white pupil and a Chinese pupil fighting. He rushed over and demanded to know why. The white pupil immediately pointed his accusing finger at the Chinese and said, with righteous indignation, “It started when he fought BACK!”

    • LOL: denk
    • Replies: @anon
  393. @nokangaroos

    Well recall Kaiser Wilhelm warned his cousin the Tsar about the yellow peril. Japan defeating Russia had already dispelled that myth. Plus even a weakened China was able to win some batgles aginst the Dutch prior to that as well. But yeah some really cleave to the racial invincibility theory. The Japanese then started to believe their own myth too. Pride always leads to destruction

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  394. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Do you honestly believe that oft-repeated Western black propaganda that eight long years of wartime conditions under Japanese military occupation caused less deaths than peacetime conditions under Mao’s rule when he actually DOUBLED the population and INCREASED the life expectancy from 41 to 65 in China? If Mao had wanted to reduce China’s population by ‘democide’, then he obviously failed because China became the most populous country in the world DURING his reign. Here’s a graph showing the life expectancy of China compared to Europe, USA and India:

    Note that China outperformed India all throughout Mao’s rule, especially after the Great Leap Forward due to increased factor inputs such as railroads, factories, etc., disproving the counterfactual arguments put forth by Western black propagandists claiming without any shred of material evidence that X number of millions died under Mao’s rule in China, thereby making him the ‘greatest mass murder in human history’.

    And yet, these same Western propagandists paint a saintly picture of Emperor Hirohito as a quiet ‘marine biologist’ who had absolutely nothing to do with waging Imperial Japan’s War of Aggression in Asia during WWII. Here’s a photo of Emperor Hirohito in his lab:

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  395. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Japanese war criminals were convicted at the military tribunal in Tokyo.

    jap war criminals were PROTECTED by murrika:

    http://apjjf.org/-Christopher-Reed/2177/article.html

    http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/USWarCrime_Coverup.html

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7312/guil18352

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/132824

    and many more you can google for.

    The fact that German war crimes are more depicted in American films than Japanese war crimes, is not to be ascribed to “Western hypocrisy”, but to the fact that Hollywood is owned by Jews.

    The fact that the Jewish owners of Hollywood prefer depicting German war crimes and shuning jap war crimes in Amelika is because the white audience prefer the propaganda that only Nazi Germans were bad but the jap militarists were good because the latter only massacred “gooks”.

    People who subsribe to the Mao cult are of course free to do so, but that comes at a moral price.

    People who subscribe to white propaganda are of course free to do so, and there attaches no moral price because they have no morality. To them, the “gooks” are not human at all.

    This is a most recent example:

    A US Central Command investigation found that an aid worker and nine members of his family, including seven children, died in the 29 August strike.

    The youngest child, Sumaya, was just two years old.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58604655

  396. denk says:
    @coverich63

    you would watch without batting an eyelid as the Bolshevik Red Chinese slaughter the people of the Republic of China?

    Unsinn !

    achtung achtung !

    [MORE]

    The entire FUS led NATO should be tried in a world court for multiple
    SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIME.

    Exhibit A
    Wasting Fallujah

    The ease with which the US has, for more than 2 ½ years “wasted” Iraqis, the ease with which culturally we participate in acts of wanton cruelty, demonizing of Iraqis, savage acts of inhumanity and barbarism, brutish violations of international conventions and laws, and our willingness to look the other way in the face of monstrous US induced misery, suffering and death, is symbolized graphically in the haunting specter of the US “wasting” of Fallujah one year ago: “Operation Phantom Fury.”

    The LA Times reported that “the US military” assaulted the city of Fallujah with the full “understanding” that “civilians…would be killed.” As a result, the Christian Science Monitor reported, “The sickening odor of rotting flesh” permeated the air circulating through the smoke filled and blood drenched streets of Fallujah. Alexander Cockburn noted, “If there is anything that should fuel the outrage of the antiwar movement [in the US] it is surely the destruction of Fallujah and the war crimes…inflicted by US commanders on its civilian population.” We learned this week, November, 2005 the US used naplalm and white phosphorus in Fallujah, leaving children, women and men burnt to the bone. The US Army journal “Field Artillery” reported how, during the US attack on Fallujah in November 2004, “White Phosphorous…proved to be an effective and versatile munition [and…] a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents” when high explosives were ineffective in routing people from “spider holes.” White phosphorus was used “to flush them out and [high explosives] to take them out.” “High explosives” included “AC-130 Specter gunship support.” “Tactics, techniques and procedures” we are told “were effective and lethal.”

    This week marks the one year anniversary of the barbarous and criminal US assault on Fallujah in which, according to “Iraqi NGO’s and medical workers…between 4,000 and 6,000” mostly civilians were killed. In addition, “36,000 of the city’s 50,000 homes were destroyed, along with 60 schools and 65 mosques and shrines,” and up to “200,000 residents were forced to flee, creating a refugee population the size of Tacoma.” Creating a wasteland is a form of “collective punishment” and is a war crime. The leadership responsible for the wasting of Fallujah has yet to be held accountable.

    https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/wasting-fallujah-by-scott-morris/

  397. @anon

    I disagree with one sentiment. There is nothing wrong with nationalism. People should look after home base first. The problem arises often when some are grudgeful against their neighbors or look down on others. My prosperity shouldnt hinder yours. But yes some Asians allow foreigners to play divide and rule.

    I forgot the link for the South Korean documentary

    • Replies: @anon
  398. @antibeast

    Japanese emperor Hirohito was a figurehead with only symbolic function. It was the military leadership of Japan that was guilty of Japan’s warcrimes. After the war the emperor had to publicly declare that he was not divine and he became even less relevant.

    As for the true extent of Mao’s achievements and/or crimes, everybody can show his own data and statistics. If they come from Westerners, you will decry them as “propaganda”, but what if they come from Chinese themselves?
    BTW, an increase in population does not necessarily deny a genocide, nor prove economic progress. Many poor Third World countries show an increase in population without becoming richer. For a long time this was true for India, for many countries in Africa that is still true. This could also be true of Mao’s China.

    Here is a video that you will surely decry as “propaganda”:

    • Replies: @antibeast
  399. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Whataboutism”

    Ahh, try to score cheap point? You are the one who brought up about the real Japanese war crimes vs Mao’s supposedly “crime”. If you can compared Mao’s “crimes” vs Japanese crimes, don’t complain if others talked about other REAL crimes too.

    Furthermore, the crimes that I brought up are proven, and many still on-going. Whereas the ones you brought up are unproven, and Mao’s policies had been stopped for decades.

    Taiwanese need to ask whether their taxpayers’ money is worth spent on you. You are simply too incompetent in too many things for too many times.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  400. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Showmethereal

    I guess I meant nationalism should lead to healthy racialism, instead of being nationalist against fellow Asians while being cucks for racial outsiders.

  401. @Showmethereal

    During the Boxer Uprising Western observers already noted (with some horror)
    the Japanese were so disciplined they did not loot
    (unlike their own) 😀
    In the Russo-Japanese War the battle over Hill 203 at Port Arthur
    already presaged much of WWI (28cm howitzers, machine guns,
    banzai charges and suicide vests); it was so brutal polite European society
    was shocked – shocked I tell you! Then again the Russians were
    not really civilized either, see.
    (After building up their navy to humiliate the Russians Britain took away
    most of the spoils of a hard-earned victory, and Japan never forgot that).

    In WWII the Japanese never had a chance, and they knew it; still they had
    to try … the Chinese have done their history homework, I´m not too sure
    about the Americans.

  402. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    All you’re doing is rehash worn-out tropes by Western black propagandists against Mao’s rule in China which prove NOTHING except how brainwashed Westerners are. My stats are from Western sources which prove that Mao did in fact improve the standard of living for the Chinese population which DOUBLED in size under his reign while living far longer lives than Indians. Those FACTS are proven by verifiable stats from Western sources while the alleged deaths caused by Mao’s rule are the product of hallucinations, innuendos and prejudices of brainwashed Westerners such as yourself who can’t even accept FACTS as presented right in front of your eyes.

    Grow up, moron!

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  403. @d dan

    So you justify whataboutism with whataboutism? But, what about…

    Well, I think I will ask for a payrise from the Taiwanese, now that I have typed so much.

    • Replies: @d dan
  404. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deep Thought

    Something to remember, in India, Northeast Indians (Nagaland etc.), who are racially related to Tibetans (look Asian) are the most oppressed group. Indians call them “chinky” regularly and rape their women while Indian police look the other way. Fuck India, that subhuman nation deserves depopulation.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  405. raga10 says:
    @antibeast

    No sane person doubts that population of China grew enormously but that doesn’t mean that Mao’s policies didn’t kill a lot of people. Chinese simply bred faster than he was killing them – there is no contradiction here.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
    , @antibeast
  406. @antibeast

    As I said, a rise in population does not necessarily disprove a genocide, especially when we are talking about such a huge population as that of China.

    Here is another source about the wonderful deeds of the “Great Helmsman”, written by a Chinese woman:
    Excerpt from its Wikipedia article:

    “…Number of deaths under Mao
    The book opens with the sentence “Mao Tse-tung, who for decades held absolute power over the lives of one-quarter of the world’s population, was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime, more than any other twentieth century leader.” He referred to the peasants as “two shoulders and a bum” because at any given time they could be killed but even more would be left alive.[7] Chang and Halliday claim that he was willing for half of China to die to achieve military-nuclear superpowerdom. Estimates of the numbers of deaths during this period vary, though Chang and Halliday’s estimate is one of the highest. In a review of the book, sinologist Stuart Schram wrote that “the exact figure … has been estimated by well-informed writers at between 40 and 70 million…”

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao:_The_Unknown_Story#Number_of_deaths_under_Mao

    But if people still opt for a Mao cult…
    …then they should have that right.

  407. @A Half Naked Fakir

    More stupidity. First of all China is a huge agriculture exporter. If it wanted to feed itself completely it could simply stop exporting. There is a concept called comparative advantage. Go learn what that term means. Stop reading Breitbart and Times of India. And what Nepal is looking for is not just access to food. It is access to he outside world. Take out a map and look at it. What is the point of commenting if you have no clue about anything? Are you just bored? Do you want to just blow off steam?

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  408. @raga10

    They were breeding faster than he was killing them?? Do you anti China crowd realize how nonsensical that is??? When there are mass human casualty events – populations dont rise. Do you all really have a clue about the things you say???? Sure Mao made many mistakes and nod doubt people died that shouldnt have… But calling himthe greatest mass murderer is plain stupid. Comparing China and India next door during the same period is very telling. Or compare to the continent of Africa. When people groups are being wiped out or there is mass starvation – people dont have babies. If they do infant mortality is high. Yikes. I am not even a Mao fan… But the simple reality is conditions in China improved which is why there was such a massive population boom BEFORE China opened up to the west – that leaders decided they needed to slow it down by enacting a 1 child policy. Scary how brainwashed you all are.

  409. @Showmethereal

    Stop importing food from America, Canada, Brazil and Australia before lecturing. Just because you’re exporting Chinese garbage, what you call food stuff, to the poor, destitute shitholes around the world does not make you the bread basket of the world. In order for you to compete with the grain exporting economies, you would have to kill off more than seventy-five percent of your useless population and who knows, it may just happen because you’re playing fire with US.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @showmethereal
  410. @anon

    “(look Asian)”

    Do you mean slanty-eyed chinks (along with Japanese, Koreans and perhaps even vietnamese) who make up about 1/3 of Asia? Stop abusing the term Asia, it doesn’t mean dirty chinatown!

    P. S. India should give up its Northeast and China must give up Tibet to form a country of their own with Dalai Lama as the head.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @HeebHunter
  411. raga10 says:

    They were breeding faster than he was killing them?? Do you anti China crowd realize how nonsensical that is??? When there are mass human casualty events – populations dont rise. Do you all really have a clue about the things you say???? Sure Mao made many mistakes and nod doubt people died that shouldnt have… But calling himthe greatest mass murderer is plain stupid.

    I don’t actually call him that. I do accept the figure of about 50 million deaths overall, but he was in power for nearly 30 years and population of China was still close to half a billion even at the lowest point, so… numbers he eliminated were but a drop in a bucket in one sense. In another sense, 50 million is 50 million.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  412. d dan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    So you justify whataboutism with whataboutism? But, what about…”

    Not surprise by your answer. Can’t even read my reply.

  413. d dan says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    “Stop importing food from America, Canada, Brazil and Australia before lecturing.”

    LOL. It was Trump and those nations demanding China to buy from them during the trade wars. When China stopped buying from Australia, they complain that China is using economic coersion. When China stopped importing some agriculture products from Canada because they kidnap Meng Wanzhou, they complained.

    And nobody is lecturing you. Just stating facts. China is the biggest producers of agriculture products and a big exporters.

    And Nepal is not expecting China to feed them. Please worry about India instead.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  414. @A Half Naked Fakir

    In case you didn’t know – American farmers go bankrupt if China doesn’t buy from them. I won’t insult your intelligence – and just confirm you are a troll. Again – have you learned what “comparative advantage” means?

    But actually I absolutely agree that China should stop importing so much beef from the 4 nations you named. But again the Brazilians would be very upset if that happened.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  415. antibeast says:
    @raga10

    LOL! Westerners claim Mao’s policies were intended to kill off the Chinese population and yet produced exactly the opposite result. In Western jurisprudence, you need to prove ‘intent to kill’ in order to convict an accused of ‘murder’. That’s not what happened during Mao’s rule in China which outperformed India in both population growth as well as life expectancy, despite having a lower TPF due to lack of infrastructure such as railroads. Post-colonial India actually had more than twice as many railroads as Maoist China which took until the 1980s to catch up with India. Besides, there is NO material evidence to suggest that the alleged X number of deaths typically attributed to Mao’s rule took place in China which would have exceeded the death toll of the Chinese Civil War and the Second Sino-Japanese War COMBINED!

    The reality is that Western demonization of Mao went hand-in-hand with the Western sanitizing of Hirohito for the sake of political expediency because the USA was allied to Capitalist Japan against ‘Communist China’ during the Cold War. That was the reason why Western black propagandists fabricated the alleged death toll attributed to Mao’s rule in China while white-washing the war crimes of Hirohito during WWII.

    THAT is a FACT.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @raga10
  416. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You’re sounding desperate if all you could is throw the same tropes against Maoist China.

    After all, CIA-paid trolls write these kinds of stuff against China all the time. Now, tell me how many Western works have you read about Hirohito’s war crimes during WWII? Don’t you find it strange that the Western World is constantly bombarded with Hitler stuff and yet nothing, literally, NOT A THING, is written about Hirohito?

    And Westerners think Mao is the ‘worst mass murderer in history’, whose rule in China allegedly produced more deaths than Hitler, Stalin and Hirohito COMBINED!!! If what they’re saying against Mao is true, then the population should have DECLINED during his rule which is exactly what happened during WWII. Well, guess what, China became the most populated country in history during Mao’s rule!!! LOL!

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  417. @raga10

    Check this out: this Chinaman actually has the gall to criticize another country for … wait for it …. BUILDING A WALL !!!

    The log in your own eye:

    US accuses China of deviating from ‘minimal nuclear deterrence’ strategy

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3152806/us-accuses-china-dropping-minimal-nuclear-deterrence-strategy?module=lead_hero_story&pgtype=homepage

    The mental stage the white West has reached these days:

    Biden administration is ‘deeply concerned’ by Financial Times report that China has tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, State Department spokesman says

    Chinese foreign ministry called the launch ‘a routine test of a space vehicle’ and said the launched object ‘was not a missile’

    杯弓蛇影, 草木皆兵.

    • Replies: @raga10
  418. @A Half Naked Fakir

    China must give up Tibet

    The Principle of Reciprocity:

    http://www.asianartmall.com/tibethistory.htm

    However, to go back in time, Tibet had created a huge empire in Central Asia. About 500 years prior to Buddha Sakyamuni coming to the world, which was around 1063 BC, a figure called Lord Shenrab Miwo had reformed the primitive ways of the Shen race. In fact, Miwo was the individual responsible for founding the Tibetan Bon religion. From 629 to 49 BC, King Songsten Gampo was on the throne. At this time, Tibet developed into a powerful military presence and Gampo strongly promoted Buddhism. Then from 755 to 97, King Trisong Detsen took over reign, a time when the Tibetan Empire was at its best. The arms invaded several other Central Asian countries in addition to China. Then in 763, the Chinese capital at Ch’ang-an, which is today known as Xian, was seized by the Tibetans. The Emperor fled, allowing the Tibetans to appoint a new Emperor.

    P. S. India should give up its Northeast..

    Not only that but also Red corridor, Khalistan, Kashmir…

  419. @Franklin Ryckaert

    As I said, a rise in population does not necessarily disprove a genocide, especially when we are talking about such a huge population as that of China.

    That many Chinese died unnecessarily during the GLF is not disputed. But there is something very funny concerning the death toll spit out by the West over the decades. When I was young in the 1960’s, I heard the death toll was in the 100s of thousands. By the late 1970s and early 1980s, it stayed around 30 million. In the 1990s, someone gave a figure of 70 million. In the first decade of this century, I saw on the web a death toll of 100 million.

    I eagerly await the number 1 billion to come up.

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Thanks: Showmethereal
  420. raga10 says:
    @Deep Thought

    The log in your own eye:

    US accuses China of deviating from ‘minimal nuclear deterrence’ strategy

    In my eye? I’m not responsible for what US officials say. But YOU are responsible for what YOU post.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  421. raga10 says:
    @antibeast

    LOL! Westerners claim Mao’s policies were intended to kill off the Chinese population and yet produced exactly the opposite result.

    Well that would be a stupid claim, and I can’t speak for other Westerners but I certainly never made it. Mao’s policies were NOT intended to kill off his own population; he just wasn’t concerned if they did. And rightly so because as history shows any losses were easy to make up for.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  422. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Accusing others of “whataboutism” is just another form of “international school story”:

    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/yahoo-news-informs-the-stupid-peasants-why-the-us-needs-to-go-to-war-to-protect-taiwan/#comment-4960727

    The “whatabout” is the “fighting BACK”

  423. Chinaman says:
    @Maddaugh

    As for the Chinks, you need to brush up on your history.

    Contrary to popular opinion, history is often written by the losers ( at least in their own language).

    It seems to be your fragile ego and your pitiful existence is built around the white man ‘s superiority and when contradicted by reality and facts, have to resort to selective memory and various psychological defence to prop up that superiority complex.

    I pity you.

    But it is quite possible you are not repressing painful memories and that simply, you are a simpleton with a 2 digit IQ who have a poor grasp of the world around you and a paucity of historical facts.

    Please allow me to tell you what really happened.

    America and China fought directly …twice…and America lost in both cases and ran like dogs. White pussies just don’t want to talk about it.

    The Korean War –

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Triangle_Hill

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir

    Vietnam – I guess you didn’t even know the Chinese was involved and was instrumental in kicking America’s ass.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1989/05/17/china-admits-combat-in-vietnam-war/6b9cb8a4-4d18-48bf-80d2-bea80f64057c/

    I am sorry to pop your bubble. It is too much reality for you. It is ok. There is plenty of copium in western media to help you deal with it.

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  424. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    But if people still opt for a Mao cult……then they should have that right.

    The CIA forgot to tell that to David Rockefeller, the foremost Yankee Capitalist, who said the following about Maoist China:

    His words, not mine!

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  425. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    For those who really concerns food problem for China, please don’t worry for China:
    for the short-run:
    food market is a buyer market, sellers are begging for the market, not the other way around, not yet!
    for the long-run:
    check the NEWS, China can make starch from CO2, 8 times more efficient than agriculture
    https://newatlas.com/science/artificial-synthesis-starch-from-co2/
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3150453/chinese-scientists-have-found-new-way-make-starch-lab-could-it

    Don’t worry about food for China, thanks for the concerns anyway!

  426. @A Half Naked Fakir

    Poo in the loo, plesase. I thought you are already superpower by now? It is the current year 2021!

  427. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    For those who blame Mao for some imaginary 30M /40M/60 M/ 70M/growing million death of Chinese, you do have to call a meeting first get aligned with your numbers internally, then you start to lie around. Otherwise, you just mess up with yourself.
    You know the trick, stick to one lie and repeat it thousand times on one topic, it will get you there.
    What are you doing now, stick to several lies and repeat it thousand times on one topic, where does that leading to? Ain’t you delusional enough?

    PS, Mao is history already, your lie won’t really change anything in China, it only mess up your own head. It’s an effort in vain.

  428. @antibeast

    Now you are quoting one of the most evil men of recent American history, who himself aspired at establishing a totalitarian system in America and the world. Small wonder he admired Maoist China so much. See: https://thefullertoninformer.com/the-death-of-one-of-the-most-evil-men-in-our-lifetime-david-rockefeller-enters-the-gates-of-hell-after-101-years/

    • Replies: @antibeast
  429. antibeast says:
    @raga10

    The poster ‘Franklin Ryckaert’ did make the same claim made by Western propagandists like Chang, Dikötter, et al., that Mao is somehow guilty of ‘democide’ by intentionally starving tens of millions to death which makes him the ‘greatest mass murderer in history’. A lot of this Western stuff looks like political porn: once you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all.

    To be sure, Mao is guilty of a lot things, such as despotism, zealousness and dogmatism but ‘democide’ ain’t one of them. He made big mistakes due to his revolutionary zealousness such as his dogmatic adherence to Marxist-Leninist ideology as well as his despotic personality.

    It is the height of Western hypocrisy to pretend that all these Western propagandists care about China or the Chinese by making false accusations against Mao. Their intent is to demonize Mao in order to discredit what he has accomplished for China and the Chinese. Despite his personality faults and ideological failures, Mao’s record has withstood the test of time: 1). he DOUBLED the population, and 2). he INCREASED life expectancy by 60% while fighting TWO(2) wars against US Imperialism in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. To top it off, Mao turned China into a nuclear power after launching the ‘two-bombs-and-one-satellite’ project during the Great Leap Forward.

    The best way to appreciate Mao is to compare his reign to the Republican Era when warlords, gangsters-capitalists, landlords, compradors, etc. were busy preying on the people by peddling opium which Mao single-handedly eradicated. That alone would have been a singular achievement. But Mao accomplished much more by keeping US Imperialism out of China while destroying the KMT gangster-capitalism which has plagued Republican China since its inception in 1911.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
  430. @antibeast

    Did you read in Zimbabwe they were outed by local patriots that the US is paying \$1k per story for people to write negative things about Chineze investment in the press and on social media?
    The Zimbabweans are very upset.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  431. @Deep Thought

    Funny how the west loves to demonize the Mongols as brutal and vicious warmongers – yet they conveniently forget Tibet would willingly fight Mongols nd sometimes attack them to ake Mongol lands. They have completely sanitized Tibetan Empire history or that Dalai Lamas were slave owners or that they would kill Christian missionaries for proselytizing in Tibet (and complain to the Chinese emperor to control Tibetans) just in order to smear China with talks of “invasion”. It is pathetic. But most people only read wikipedia links so they dont know. Sad.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Deep Thought
    , @raga10
  432. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    LOL! I gave you the stats from Western sources showing how ‘Maoist China’ outperformed ‘Democratic India’ by a mile and yet you prefer quoting from US Deep State sources of misinformation/disinformation against Maoist China. Now, you wanna tell me the foremost Yankee Capitalist is an ‘Evul Globalist’ because he expressed admiration for Maoist China? You better have your head examined sir because you’re suffering from psychotic delusions.

    • Replies: @d dan
  433. anon[557] • Disclaimer says:
    @Showmethereal

    Everything is racial. The faster Mongoloid Asians understand this the better. Hell back in East Asia you got plenty of laowai sexpat parasites who look down on and disrespect the people living there making easy money and fucking women, who’s fault is that? Frankly those old Tibetans should be applauded for purging Christian missionaries.

  434. @raga10

    In the English language that I learnt, “you”/”your” can be used to refer to a specific person OR a group of people/entities whom you are one of.

    • Replies: @raga10
  435. @Chinaman

    What’s the point? Spend your time telling your own people who a brutal race war with Whites is not only inevitable but desirable. Tell them the age of greed and cowardice is coming to an end and true universal values are coming back and the natural racial instincts that’s been pushed to the subconscious by the petty concerns of this modern world of merchants are regaining their rightful place. Tell them why there is a life and death struggle ahead.

    Don’t argue with the enemy. Reason has no place in this world. I am awaiting the call to do my part in the war effort, the Geneva Convention be damned.

  436. anon[557] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    Then Asians back home need to man up and kick those subhumans out of Asia, purge them mercilessly. Stop crying like a bitch and prepare for war, its coming anyway.

  437. antibeast says:
    @Showmethereal

    Yeah, they’re all over the place which is a telltale sign that the US Deep State is getting desperate. And the more desperate they are, the more hysterical they become, just like most of the anti-China posters here.

  438. @Showmethereal

    They have completely sanitized Tibetan Empire history or that Dalai Lamas were slave owners

    Maybe, that is because Dalie is not the only “leader” who owned slaves?! Other slave-owning leaders had statues built for them.

  439. @Deep Thought

    “Not only that but also Red corridor, Khalistan, Kashmir…”

    No problem with that provided the chinaman gives Tibet, East Turkmenistan, Manchuria and Inner Mongolia to start and then most of its borders with the Southeast Asian nations must be amended in favor of Burma, Siam, Laos, Vietnam etc and the islands to Japan in the sea around China. Is that a deal?

  440. @d dan

    “And Nepal is not expecting China to feed them. Please worry about India instead.”

    You and the rest of the chinky trolls think I must be Indian because I favor them as we plan to use them to destroy China. Get a grip, yellow fever!

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  441. @showmethereal

    And the West must not buy from the chinaman and let him go back to iron bowl and a daily ration of a few grain of rice. No money from the West and the East goes broke, just ask Japan what would happen if the Western markets were closed to them. Now go ask Confucius what would isolation do to the yellow pride… it will be all confusion-ism.

  442. antibeast says:
    @raga10

    You still don’t get it, do you?

    The alleged death toll is meaningless because their Western sources attribute those alleged deaths to ‘democidal intent to kill off the population’. That’s why they came up with the trope demonizing Mao as the ‘greatest mass murderer in history’. To prove the ‘democidal intent’, Western propagandists came up with the false accusation that Mao intentionally withheld surplus food which were then exported to the USSR. That’s how they fabricated the alleged death toll of 15M/30M/45M/65M/100M to make Mao look like the ‘greatest mass murderer in human history’.

    In Western jurisprudence, you need to prove ‘intent to kill’ in order to convict an accused of ‘murder’. In order to show that Mao had this ‘intent to kill’, the Western propagandists had to rewrite world history by claiming that Mao diverted the food surplus in order to starve the population. What they don’t tell you is that China had signed a ‘nuke-for-grains’ deal with the USSR in 1957 which was the reason why Mao agreed to ‘collectivize’ village farms into agricultural communes in order to export the food surplus to the USSR. Instead of remaining with the village farms, the food surplus were allocated to the agricultural communes which caused a lot of resentment amongst rural villages.

    Note that China had a food surplus which implies ipso facto that there was no ‘Great Famine’ during this time. In the meantime, floods and drought had struck parts of China which caused food scarcity, the classic definition of famines (with a small ‘f’) which were localized to a few areas affecting a few million people. That was when Liu made his move to blame Mao for the localized famines as well as the unpopular policies of agricultural collectivization which forced Mao to step down as President of China in 1959, just one year in the GLF.

    My rebuttal is quite simple: if Mao had this ‘democidal intent to kill the population’, then how come the population DOUBLED while life expectancy INCREASED by 60% during his reign? Surely, Mao would not have limited his ‘democidal intent to kill the population’ to the short 3-year period of the GLF as he would have displayed such ‘democidal intent to kill the population’ throughout his entire 27-year reign!

    Without any proof of ‘intent to kill’, there is no case for ‘murder’. Ergo, no ‘mass murder’ implies that Mao is NOT the ‘greatest mass murderer in history’, with the adjective ‘greatest’ prepended to demonize Mao by using fake stats. But those fake stats are meaningless because their whole case rests on the ‘democidal intent to kill the population’.

    Get it?

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @raga10
  443. @A Half Naked Fakir

    And the West must not buy from the chinaman and let him go back to iron bowl and a daily ration of a few grain of rice

    The whities should try.

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/gobbling-chinas-exports-us-sinks-into-dependency/

  444. Getaclue says:
    @Deep Thought

    Nobody is “indigenous” — it is a total joke — everyone came from somewhere and generally when they came someone else was there and they murdered them and took their land. No one is “pure” from this — no one.

    This is the farce of the American Indian “Dances with Wolves” bs/lies — every Tribe just about has an Oral Tradition that when they came to the USA there were people here — the Mound Builders (their Mounds are still around by the way) — and that there were a lot of them. They also record that the massacred them and murdered EVERY SINGLE ONE of them (they are actually proud of that fact by the way) — there are no Mound Builder people around but there are more Indians than ever and those not alcoholic have done very well with Casinos and otherwise — in Florida they are very happy — I know because I lived there and had a good Indian friend. They also have NO problem being called Indians that is a Leftist bs thing.

    There is so much complete bs and lies about all this “indigenous” crap because it is the (((Tribe))) causing hatred against Whites and Christianity if you scratch down at all there it appears — always — always. Look at Israel and how they treat the “indigenous” people there? Is that the “model” of how it’s suppose to be done by the (((Tribe))) always lecturing on the evil of “White” people?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  445. Yee says:

    A Half Naked Fakir,

    You and the rest of the chinky trolls think I must be Indian because I favor them as we plan to use them to destroy China.

    Nah, you are an Indian because you have Indians’ fondest dream – the whole world boycotting Chinese products…

  446. @antibeast

    Get it?

    Yeah, you like to say ‘trope’. Throw in a ‘canard’ now and then, fer cryin’ out loud.

    • LOL: raga10
    • Replies: @antibeast
  447. raga10 says:
    @Deep Thought

    In the English language that I learnt, “you”/”your” can be used to refer to a specific person OR a group of people/entities whom you are one of.

    I congratulate you on your mastery of English grammar, but when you’re responding to specific person’s statement, that person has every right to assume you’re referring to them specifically. If you are referring to a plural “you”, it is a good idea to make that clear.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  448. raga10 says:
    @antibeast

    The alleged death toll is meaningless because their Western sources attribute those alleged deaths to ‘democidal intent to kill off the population’.

    I think you’re arguing a strawman here because I don’t actually recall sources I read attributing “democidal intent to kill off the population” to Mao or anyone in Chinese administration for that matter.

    But you’re definitely arguing with a wrong person: my personal belief is that Earth’s population should be no more than 1 billion, so I certainly don’t think this world needs 1.5 billion Chinese. If I thought Mao was deliberately trying to reduce population I would be his biggest fan, which I’m not.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @antibeast
  449. raga10 says:
    @Showmethereal

    They have completely sanitized Tibetan Empire history

    As you seem to be aware, Tibetans still have a few supporters in the West, mainly thanks to our interest in their version of Buddhism and thanks to sheer personality of this particular Dalai Lama. Once he passes, I think it will be the end of Tibetan cause.

    What you don’t seem to be aware is that the version of history our fans of Tibetan Buddhism accept is that Tibetans were indeed fierce warriors, who were tamed by arrival of Buddhism.

    As for slavery, well, it existed in China as well. We should just accept that slavery was a part of human existence until we invented machines that did the same work cheaper and with less hassle, and move on.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @showmethereal
  450. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “my personal belief is that Earth’s population should be no more than 1 billion… If I thought Mao was deliberately trying to reduce population I would be his biggest fan, which I’m not.”

    But I am a fan of you now because you have offered to kill most of your family and your race.

    Don’t just “believe” it, do it. I will offer two Chinese containers from South China Sea as bonus for early attainment of your belief.

    • LOL: picture111
    • Replies: @raga10
  451. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “sheer personality of this particular Dalai Lama…”

    LOL. Westerners are too easily fooled by CIA superficial “packaging” of personality.

    “Once he passes, I think it will be the end of Tibetan cause.”

    Don’t worry, CIA has plenty of candidates for replacement. And the so called Tibetan “cause” already ended in 1959.

    “Tibetans were indeed fierce warriors, who were tamed by arrival of Buddhism.”

    Wrong order of historical events.

    “As for slavery, well, it existed in China as well.”

    Please enlighten me with your version of Chinese slavery history. I need some entertainment.

    • Replies: @raga10
  452. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    I will offer two Chinese containers from South China Sea as bonus for early attainment of your belief.

    As we discussed previously I don’t want your goods, due to their poor quality.

    Also, I said I would like the total population reduced. I didn’t say anything about reducing numbers of my race, did I? Obviously I’m talking about others and not myself, I’m not completely crazy yet.

    • Replies: @d dan
  453. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    Please enlighten me with your version of Chinese slavery history. I need some entertainment.

    Meh, history. How about present?

    While over a hundred countries still have slavery, six countries have significantly high numbers:

    India (18.4 million)
    China (3.4 million)
    Pakistan (2.1 million)
    Bangladesh (1.5 million)
    Uzbekistan (1.2 million)
    North Korea (1.1 million)

    Actually, I’m slightly surprised. I thought Saudis would’ve cracked at least top five….

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery

    • LOL: d dan
    • Replies: @denk
  454. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @raga10

    But as for that Tsushima thing – Russia was never much of a naval power, were they? I doubt Japanese would’ve fared so well against British navy, for example

    .

    Japan, in that era of 1904-1905, was not in the same league as the powers in Europe.

    World War 2 was a very different story.

    The British Royal Navy didn’t do that well against the Imperial Japanese Navy in World War 2, some 35 to 40 years later after the Russo-Japanese War.

    The navies of the Commonwealth only played a supporting role to the United States Navy in the Pacific War, and only in the last few months, when Japan was already beaten at sea.

    And Britain had no NAVAL victories against Japan that I know of, though they did win in Burma, on land.

    • Replies: @raga10
  455. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “I don’t want your goods,”

    I am sorry to hear that you are going to throw away all your iPhone, cell phone, laptop…. We will miss you. (or is this also another “for others, not for you” type of belief?)

    “I didn’t say anything about reducing numbers of my race… I’m talking about others and not myself”

    The whole world is not surprise to hear this from your type of people.

    • Replies: @raga10
  456. raga10 says:
    @Anonymous

    Japan, in that era of 1904-1905, was not in the same league as the powers in Europe

    Well, 1904-1905 is the era I was talking about. Japan was not in the same league, but it was good enough for the Russians, whose navy was a complete joke.

    Drachinifel, a guy who runs youtube channel devoted to naval history has a very entertaining account of Russian fleet’s voyage to the Pacific:

  457. @A Half Naked Fakir

    Japan is 1/10 the size of China’s market and China is not militarily occupied. And you might want to check the list of the 10 biggest banks in the world by deposits and assets. Also you might want to check the largest sovereign wealth funds. You are indeed a confused troll.
    And contrary to your idiotic racism – my point of not buying so much beef is because that type of diet is not for the Asian body. China shouldn’t have so much cattle itself because it is too input intensive for the land. But you can carry on with your folly by yourself.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  458. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    I am sorry to hear that you are going to throw away all your iPhone, cell phone, laptop…

    I know, I know. But if it makes you feel any better I will still accept your fandom, as long as it is from respectful distance of course.

  459. @raga10

    “What you don’t seem to be aware is that the version of history our fans of Tibetan Buddhism accept is that Tibetans were indeed fierce warriors, who were tamed by arrival of Buddhism.”

    I am very aware – and I am aware it is a fake history. You can simply go read the writings of Europeans who considered them savages even with their Tibetan school of Buddhism. And also read the European accounts of the slaughter of Christian missionaries while they were already Buddhists.

    “Once he passes, I think it will be the end of Tibetan cause.”

    Not necessarily… the US Congress is already trying to pass legislation to sanction China for “interfering” in any process of selecting the next successor. Well aside from the blatant interference – it is again another example of fake western revisionism. Dalai Lamas have had to be approved
    for centuries. In fact – before the US of A became an independent country the Qing Dynasty emperors had to approve of the selection. Another attempt to change history. Just like the fact is since the Yuan Dynasty days Tibetan schools were part of Chinese dynasties. You had Tibetan schools run by real Tibetan monks all the way in Beijing. The idea that Tibetan and Han and even Mongol culture were alien to each other is a complete garbage re-writing of history. Some of the old schools from centuries ago are still standing.

    “As for slavery, well, it existed in China as well.”

    Sure – but China isn’t the one pretending that it didn’t. In fact – if you ask the poorer serfs among the Tibetans who were alive in the 1950’s they will tell you they welcomed the PLA RE-ESTABLISHING Chinese rule. The difference was that unlike prior Chinese governments – the PRC abolished the system that Chinese dynasties allowed – and the ROC was too weak to do anything about. Those Tibetans had zero desire to flee to India with their former god/king Dalai.

    • Replies: @raga10
  460. @showmethereal

    10 biggest banks… ever heard of real estate bubble? China is Doomed!

  461. d dan says:
    @antibeast

    “Western sources showing how ‘Maoist China’ outperformed ‘Democratic India’ by a mile”

    The greatest “crime” that Mao committed was to STAND UP against US and other foreign powers, even when China had only a fraction of economic and military capability.

    This put peoples in Europe, Japan, Korea, India and even America feel extremely impotent and inadequate. Hence the need for constant demonization of Mao (e.g. unconcerned for Chinese lives, murders, human wave strategy, …)

    • Thanks: picture111
    • Replies: @antibeast
  462. antibeast says:
    @raga10

    Maybe you didn’t but poster ‘Franklin Ryckaert’ did claim ‘genocide’ [sic] on this thread, as follows:

    In post#407:

    He claimed that ‘genocide’ [sic] still happened despite the population increase in Maoist China. He then linked a video entitled ‘Mao’s Genocide’:

    BTW, an increase in population does not necessarily deny a genocide, nor prove economic progress. Many poor Third World countries show an increase in population without becoming richer. For a long time this was true for India, for many countries in Africa that is still true. This could also be true of Mao’s China.

    He also defended Emperor Hirohito as innocent of war crimes:

    Japanese emperor Hirohito was a figurehead with only symbolic function. It was the military leadership of Japan that was guilty of Japan’s war crimes. After the war the emperor had to publicly declare that he was not divine and he became even less relevant.

    In post# 416:

    He repeats the same claim of ‘genocide’ [sic]:

    As I said, a rise in population does not necessarily disprove a genocide, especially when we are talking about such a huge population as that of China.

    He then cites a well-known CIA-funded hack job by Chang and Halliday which claims a death toll ’70 million’ caused by Mao’s policies, allegedly intended to kill off the population.

    By the way, neither he nor anyone else on this thread has even attempted to explain the stats showing the increase in life expectancy in Maoist China, far exceeding that of ‘democratic India’, which disproves the claims of ‘genocide’ [sic] against Mao. (The proper term is ‘democide’).

    If there’s anyone guilty of ‘genocide’ in Asia, that would be Emperor Hirohito who would easily qualify as one of the ‘greatest mass-murderers in human history’. But you won’t hear anything against Hirohito from Westerners who are obsessed with repeating the same worn-out tropes against Mao, right here on this thread, as proven by posters such as ‘Franklin Ryckaert’.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @raga10
  463. denk says:
    @raga10

    Meh, history. How about present?

    say who…?

    Whats all these Mao BS ?

    Like I told RR , why not talk
    something current and verifiable ?

    What happen to that ICC inquisition on Afghan , idiot ?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-warcrimes-afghanistan-trump-idUSKBN23I23A

  464. raga10 says:
    @antibeast

    Maybe you didn’t but poster ‘Franklin Ryckaert’ did claim ‘genocide’ [sic] on this thread, as follows:

    My opinions on Mao were not actually formed on the day this thread started. So when I say “my sources”, I don’t mean this thread; I mean things I’ve read years ago. I couldn’t even tell you what they were exactly, but I can tell you that nothing I’ve read gave me the impression that he was determined to reduce his population numbers for the sake of reducing population. He just wasn’t especially worried about killing quite a large number of his people, much like many other rulers. And on that note, I don’t especially care who is the greatest murderer in history – it’s not an Olympic sport, and I don’t care much about Olympics anyway.

    If there’s anyone guilty of ‘genocide’ in Asia, that would be Emperor Hirohito who would easily qualify as one of the ‘greatest mass-murderers in human history’. But you won’t hear anything against Hirohito

    Maybe not around here, this lot like to downplay certain historical events. But I still remember talking to some older folks who actually took part in WWII and for the rest of their lives were definitely not OK with Japanese in general, and their emperor in particular.

  465. @raga10

    Your words:

    … for what US officials say…

    This is proof that you KNEW that the “your” I used not just to you personally.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @raga10
  466. @Getaclue

    Nobody is “indigenous”…

    I tend to agree with you but when it comes to Xingjiang, Tibet, etc, the Weedgers, Teabagtans, etc, whom the whities want to use for China/Chinese bashing, become the “indigenous” peoples there. This view is held by all the (((human-RIGHTISTS))) and (((freeDOOM fighters))) of whatever political colours– regardless of whether they belong to the (((Demoncraptic))) or (((Repugblinant))) parties!

  467. denk says:

    uncle Charley

    I’ve been intrigued by the responses to a column I wrote suggesting that our China policy ought to be spelled out and submitted to the American people for approval

    ;

    It might work if RR, naked fucker, raga etc are some freaks at the fringe, except… they’r the mainstream !

    Never mind the jews, not even the MIC,
    All these years, FUS policies has been driven by tyranny of the mug.

    NO wonder its at war every year since birth.

    Its the mug stupid.

  468. @Deep Thought

    Correction:

    This is proof that you KNEW that the “your” I used did not just refer to you personally.

  469. raga10 says:
    @Deep Thought

    What I was saying was that if they (US officials) are making accusations for something they are guilty of themselves that has nothing to do with me. So you could call it a log in *their* eye, or possibly in *our* collective western eye (if you meant to use the plural you), but it is not a log in *my* personal eye.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  470. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    You can simply go read the writings of Europeans who considered them savages even with their Tibetan school of Buddhism.

    Well, duh – Europeans used to consider all non-Europeans savages.

    Those Tibetans had zero desire to flee to India with their former god/king Dalai.

    Wait… Are you telling me that not all Tibetans share the exact same political views?!? I am shocked, positively SHOCKED!

  471. antibeast says:
    @schnellandine

    I used the word ‘trope’ because that’s how Western propagandists use their devious ‘formula’ to twist the historical narrative to support their political rhetoric. While certain events described during the GLF did occur, no causal relationship exists between those events and the alleged death toll ascribed to the GLF. Yet those events such as the culling of sparrows, building of backyard furnaces, mass mobilization to build public works, steel mills in rural areas, growth of agricultural communes, etc. were marshalled as ‘evidence’ to prove that Mao is the ‘greatest mass-murderer in human history’. And to make sure nobody else gets that title, Western propagandists kept increasing their ‘estimates’ of the death toll, starting from 15M in the 1980s, 30M in the 1990s and up to 45M (Dikötter) and 70M (Chang) in the 2000s.

    By contrast, nothing — NOT A THING — is written about Hirohito who is often portrayed as an innocent Emperor working quietly in his lab as a marine biologist during WWII. Nobody in the West even talks anymore about the horrors visited by the IJA on Asians and Westerners alike in the Asia-Pacific War. Everything is neatly white-washed to present a nice, clean and cute image of the Japanese, unlike those ‘Evul Nazis’ who are vilified today as the epitome of Evil.

    Westerners live in a ‘Clown World’ where everything is inverted from reality: what is reality turns into an illusion while what is an illusion becomes reality.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  472. @raga10

    … or possibly in *our* collective western eye…

    THAT is exactly what I did. From MY perspective, your “our” is my “your”!!!

    • Replies: @raga10
  473. @antibeast

    The maximum estimate of the number of victims of the Japanese in WWII is about equal to the minimum estimate of the number of victims of Mao’s insane agricultural, industrial and “cultural” reforms:

    “…
    Therefore, Rummel’s estimate of 6-million to 10-million dead between 1937 (the Rape of Nanjing) and 1945, may be roughly corollary to the time-frame of the Nazi Holocaust, but it falls far short of the actual numbers killed by the Japanese war machine. If you add, say, 2-million Koreans, 2-million Manchurians, Chinese, Russians, many East European Jews (both Sephardic and Ashkenazi), and others killed by Japan between 1895 and 1937 (conservative figures), the total of Japanese victims is more like 10-million to 14-million. Of these, I would suggest that between 6-million and 8-million were ethnic Chinese, regardless of where they were resident.[5]

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

    For many, Emperor Hirohito may be the symbol of Japanese warcrimes, he was not their cause. He didn’t protest the actions of his generals, but he didn’t instigate them either.

    BTW, I nowhere tried to suggest that Mao’s policies were intended to exterminate his own people. He tried to implement certain reforms, but didn’t care if that cost millions of lives. Just the same as Stalin with his ruthless industrialiaztion and agricultural collectivization programs. If “murder” or “genocide” are the wrong terms for that, then call it anyway you want, but the responsibilty for the death of millions remains.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  474. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The maximum estimate of the number of victims of the Japanese in WWII is about equal to the minimum estimate of the number of victims of Mao’s insane agricultural, industrial and “cultural” reforms:

    I am not disputing the various ‘estimates’ at all. What I am disputing is their credibility.

    If I suspend disbelief and assume those ‘estimates’ to be credible, then that would imply anywhere from 4x to 8x to 20x more deaths per year during the 3-year GLF than during the 8-year Second Sino-Japanese War, depending on whether the ‘estimates’ are 15M, 30M or 75M deaths.

    That is physically impossible because it would violate the Laws of Physics.

    Besides, those ‘estimates’ would necessarily imply that Mao’s 3-year GLF resulted in far more deaths than the 4-year Chinese Civil War and the 8-year Second Sino-Japanese War COMBINED.

    I’d rather believe in the FACT that the population DOUBLED with a 60% increase in life expectancy during Mao’s 27-year reign.

    And THAT is a FACT.

    For many, Emperor Hirohito may be the symbol of Japanese war crimes, he was not their cause. He didn’t protest the actions of his generals, but he didn’t instigate them either.

    Emperor Hirohito was worshipped as a god by the Japanese who fought for the Empire of Japan in the name of the Showa Emperor who was also the Head of State and Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Armed Forces.

    No matter how much you want to absolve Hirohito, he had the command responsibility for the Imperialist War of Aggression waged by the Empire of Japan in the Asia-Pacific during WWII. The US Congress, the Australian Government and the Western POWs including US servicemen who served under MacArthur in the USAFFE in the Philippines wanted Hirohito to be prosecuted for war-crimes after WWII. But MacArthur did everything he could to protect Hirohito from war-crime prosecution while the West has succeeded in ‘white-washing’ his reputation which has lasted to this day.

    I nowhere tried to suggest that Mao’s policies were intended to exterminate his own people.

    Yes, you did use the word ‘genocide’ TWICE and linked a video with the words “Mao’s Genocide”.

    If “murder” or “genocide” are the wrong terms for that, then call it anyway you want, but the responsibility for the death of millions remains.

    There is no material evidence that tens of millions died during Mao’s reign. Whatever ‘evidence’ they have is mere conjecture based on dubious ‘estimates’.

    THAT is also a FACT.

  475. raga10 says:
    @Deep Thought

    … or possibly in *our* collective western eye…

    THAT is exactly what I did. From MY perspective, your “our” is my “your”!!!

    Yes, which brings us back to what I said at the very beginning: when you intend to use “you” as plural (and it might not be obvious from the context) it is a good idea to make that clear. If instead of saying “log in your eye” you just said “log in your (plural you) eye” or something along those lines, we would not be having this rather pointless conversation. So, can we stop this now please?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  476. antibeast says:
    @d dan

    The irony is that these same people who constantly ‘demonize’ Mao praise Deng for ‘liberalizing’ China and now want to vilify Xi for promoting Chinese Nationalism. You seldom hear these people criticize Deng because he pimped out China to the Western Capitalists. Nor do you hear them criticize Chinese Capitalists like Jack Ma who are in bed with Western Capitalists.

    Likewise, Hirohito gets ‘white-washed’ of his war crimes against humanity but Hitler gets ‘demonized’ to be the epitome of Evil.

    Same thing with Saudi Arabia which rarely gets criticized for supporting ‘Islamic terrorism’ while Iran gets the ‘demonized’ constantly for it.

    The pattern of Western propaganda is clear: We — the West — gets to decide who to support as our clients no matter how odious they are to our Western values. And if you oppose us — the West — we will ‘demonize’ you.

    It’s not really about Western values but more about Western power. And you see this amoral behavior replicated by Westerners as if they were brainwashed drones carrying out the orders of their Western Overlords.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  477. Yee says:

    Some morons don’t even know that half of Tibetant population don’t live in Tibet, they live in nearby provinces.

    Tibet has been part of China for so long the people have spread to other parts of China long time ago.

    • Agree: picture111, antibeast
    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
    , @antibeast
  478. @Yee

    And the Tibetan capital is now full of, well, Uyghurs.

    Guess what happens when Muslims and Buddhists live in close proximity?

  479. Exactly the same excuses that the U. S. has used for Korean War and Vietnam War. We all know what the U.S got from those two wars.

    “China Reunite Taiwan” will be the last battle of the on and off Civil war since 1920s for the New China. If the U.S. wants to stand in between, be it, they will get what they deserved.

  480. @A Half Naked Fakir

    You are such a JOKE and so pathetic

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  481. @Beobachter

    Covid-19 virus is invented by your own Master P4 labs at Chapel Hill and Fort Detrick. More will come for sure

    Even invented-in-the-U.S. mRNA gene therapy, i.e. so-called Covid-19 vaccine, is a form of Bio-weapon, killing SOOO many of your own Americans!

  482. antibeast says:
    @Yee

    Tibetan Buddhists have been living in Southwest China since the fall of the Tang when the Tibetan Empire invaded Sichuan, Gansu, Yunnan and Xinjiang while the Dalai Lama have resided in Beijing as the ‘Imperial Tutor’ to the Chinese Emperor since the Yuan Dynasty when Tibetan Buddhism became the official religion of the Imperial Court. The sacred scrolls of Tibetan Buddhism can be found today in the Palace Museum of the Forbidden City in Beijing which became the center for Tibetan Buddhism in China. Since then, Tibetan Buddhists have been settling in North China where Chinese Buddhism show Tibetan Buddhist influences such as tantric practices with the Sakya School of Tibetan Buddhism spreading throughout China.

    By the way, Xinjiang is the cradle of Buddhism in China which served as the gateway to the ancient Silk Road. Xinjiang was home to Indo-European Buddhism which flourished in the region long before Islam came to Central Asia. And Xinjiang has been a part of China since the Han Dynasty which came into contact with Tocharian Buddhism in the Tarim Basin. That’s how Buddhism spread to China by way of the Silk Road through Xinjiang!

  483. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I for one can only feel sympathy with the man and his country, not with ruthless, imperialist Mainland China.

    You came to the defense of Emperor Hirohito, proclaiming his innocence in waging the imperialist War of Aggression in the Asia-Pacific during WWII. Remember, Japan agreed to handover Taiwan, Diaoyu, Paracel and Spratly Islands (among others) to CHINA in order to comply with the Potsdam Declaration as part of its instrument of surrender to the Allied Powers after WWII. And yet, on this same thread you are now expressing ‘sympathy’ with Taiwan which was handed-over to China as part of the San Francisco and later Taipei Peace Treaties signed by Japan after WWII.

    Why don’t you express ‘sympathy’ with the Western POWs who became slave laborers of the Imperial Japanese Army during WWII?

  484. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Here is an interview with Taiwan’s foreign minister. I for one can only feel sympathy with the man and his country, not with ruthless, imperialist Mainland China.

    That was a “house-nigger” of the japs talking. And the japs was assigned to do the bidding of Amelika. When they didn’t and dare to build their own empire instead, they was brought back into line with nukes. Don’t think the murrikans will trust the japs for this particular job now. Murrika will empire-build against China on its own effort from now on. So, I will expect anything.

  485. @antibeast

    Deng was a cunning disciple of Lenin’s maxim that the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them. For ‘rope’ see investment and market opening, which China used to build huge surpluses and infrastructure, and, now, they no longer need Western arrogance any more. They could go totally autarkic, and just sit back and watch the West crumble into shit.

  486. @picture111

    Are you a chinaman, i.e. a yellow rat that wants to rape Taiwan? Shame on you!

  487. @mulga mumblebrain

    What the fuck are you mumbling about? I’ve married two Asians and love their different cultures but you’d have to be a fucking fool to assume these Chinese ass hats are any different than the ass hats in DC. They may look different but the same murderous mentality exists in them as does anyone else.

  488. @Badger Down

    You know what… you’re right. And thats why any war with Taiwan is no different than any other war that Uncle Scam bloviates about. My entire argument is that the Chinese could do the “smart” thing and use what they already have, do what the American imperium doesn’t expect, and completely end run these assholes in Washington. But if they’re not careful, and let their pride get the best of them, then its going to be game over for everyone.

  489. @raga10

    I see. Your view is that Palestine is Palestine, whether infested and oppressed by “israel”, or whatever the current government is (though there’s little continuity there).

    You might as well say that Palestine is threatening to nuke Iran.

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