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There is zero possibility for the Jewnited Snakes to compete with China. It is simply not a serious proposition.

The Snakes have attacked the natural population of America, called them evil, vaxed them, and then replaced most of us with moronic brown people. The Snakes have also turned our sons gay, and pimped out our daughters to brown people.

Most surviving Legacy Americans are addicted to fentanyl, or deep into anus.

Those who remain are being vaxed and aggressively run out of the workforce by an extremist anti-white agenda.

What the Snakes government has done is the equivalent of taking a star soccer team, shooting everyone in the head, and replacing them with cripples – the day before the big game.

Obviously, the Snakes are planning to use sabotage against China, because actual competition using a line-up of brown people is impossible.


The US and Chinese leaders have held a lengthy virtual meeting on Tuesday, with Joe Biden and Xi Jinping expressing readiness to improve strained bilateral relations and make sure competition doesn’t end in conflict.

Biden, who smiled and waved to Xi as he appeared on screen, said that the responsibility of the two was to ensure that “the competition between our countries does not veer into conflict, whether intended or unintended.”

There should be “simple, straightforward competition” between Washington and Beijing, he added.

This is simply not real life.

Women, black people, and vaxed soymen are not going to compete with traditionalist China. It isn’t possible.

It is like saying Mexico and Africa could compete with the America of the 1950s. No, America is a mix between Mexico and Africa, only much gayer and vaxed, and totally run by women and Jews.

Everyone is not equal, and the doctrine that everyone is equal is exposed as a stupid hoax by the Chinese.

Xi also pointed out the need to “increase communication and cooperation” between the two nations. He said he was ready to work with Biden to “build consensus, take active steps and move China-US relations forward in a positive direction.” However, he stressed that this process must be based on mutual respect.

Despite the cheerful start of the meeting, which was initiated by the American side, there were a lot of difficult issues on the agenda. It came amid growing tensions between Washington and Beijing over US support of Taiwan’s independence push and trade disputes, among other things. The US also claims China is committing human rights violations against the Uyghur population in the Xinjiang region – an accusation Beijing is strongly denying.

Speaking from the Roosevelt Room in the White House, Biden said that Washington believed that “all countries have to play by the same rules of the road,” and insisted that the US “is always going to stand up for our interests and values and those of our allies and partners.”

Whose interests?

Seriously, who are we talking about?

We’re not talking about the American people. If one thing is clear, it is that Joe Brandon hates America.

Is he talking about Haitian immigrants? Trannies? Jews? What?

The comment could’ve been a nod to Taiwan, a self-governed island some 160 kilometers east of mainland China, which Beijing views as its breakaway territory. The US has been committed to the ‘One China’ policy since 1979 – and Biden again confirmed it to Xi during the talks – but has also maintained unofficial ties with Taipei, selling it weapons and warning that it was ready to help the island militarily if Beijing resorts to the use of force. China has been angered by those contacts, calling them meddling in its internal affairs.

“We are patient and willing to do our utmost to strive for the prospect of peaceful reunification” with Taiwan, Xi said. However, he reiterated to his American counterpart that China would take “decisive measures” if “pro-Taiwan independence” forces crossed a “red line.”

The two leaders had “extended discussion” on Taiwan, with Biden directly telling his counterpart that China’s behavior had been at odds with stability across the Taiwan strait, a senior US administration official told Reuters. However, he acknowledged that nothing new was established on Taiwan in terms of guardrails during the virtual sit-down.

The White House said that the US leader also raised concerns over human rights to Xi, especially singling out Xinjiang, Tibet and Hong Kong.

Xi pointed out that trade and economic cooperation between China and the US was mutually beneficial and a win-win for the two countries, insisting that such issues shouldn’t be politicized. Ahead of the talks, the US officials warned that scaling back US tariffs on Chinese goods wasn’t on Biden’s agenda.

No, of course not. It’s one of the things he agrees 100% with Donald Trump on. I said this before the election – you will see Biden reinforce the tariffs on China, and continue to refuse to negotiate with Iran, also raising the stakes with Russia.

These people are pushing for a global government, so none of this is really especially difficult to analyze. It’s all blatant and predictable.

Of course, drooling conservative retards will continue to pretend to be incapable of understanding anything, and continue to manipulate well-meaning Americans into getting on-board with the globalist and analist agenda.

These cocksuckers are demanding that Americans be sent to fight and die for gay marriage in Taiwan.

“Die for faggot anal ramming in Taiwan, American! That’s our values! It’s who we are!” -Conservative Commentariat

Meanwhile, the New York Times is saying more or less the exact same thing.

It just makes you want to smash your head against a wall.

Of course, everyone who could offer any kind of serious analysis of this situation has already been banned from everything. So you have leftists calling for war to defend Taiwan, and fake right-wingers saying that the left is not pushing hard enough for war to defend Taiwan.

The Brandon plan is to take the already vaxed out, hated, and doomed Legacy Americans and get them to want to fight against the Chinese.

Why would you want to fight for a country that hates you against Chinese people who are indifferent towards you? Why would you ever want to do anything at all for the Jews?

China understands this is all a ruse, and just did the meeting to be polite.

The Biden-Xi meeting comes after a meeting earlier this year in Alaska when the Jewish Secretary of State Anthony Blinken attempted to bully Chinese diplomats, declaring that he would be dictating internal Chinese policy moving forward. China reacted negatively to his threats, telling him he had no right to dictate internal Chinese policy.

It is possible that Brandon is attempting to chill things off with China while he focuses on starting a war with Russia, or maybe Iran – who knows? It’s those three countries on the list, and they are still involved in the delusion that they can break all three of them using their current human capital of vaxed brown people and fat women.

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  1. g8way says:

    At some point André is going to realize his position that “ZOG” or “the Jews” are actually opposed to China (or vice versa) is untenable. He seems to understand the saber rattling is a ruse… maybe he’ll notice who’s on the Advisory Board for the Schwarzman Scholars program at Tsinghua University.

    • Replies: @papers
  2. Taiwan is gone. Droolin Joe needs a free hand with Russia.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  3. El Dato says:

    Nikki Haley is like some wench who found a working time machine during the Idiocracy Era (5 years in the future or so), randomly hit buttons and travelled back in time to give us her tweets

    Now is the time to double down and make sure our Latin American allies know we have their backs.

    I’m sure those Latin American allies currently not in need of “friendship and military assistance” know exactly what happens when Uncle Shmuel is “having their back”.

    Meanwhile Boris Johnson has just stepped out of “British Empire Simulator II” and is still enwooled in virtual reality:

    The nations of Western Europe will soon have to decide whether they want to buy cheap Russian gas, or defend Ukraine against Moscow, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has claimed as tensions mount in the east of the continent.

    After the Sudetenland pwnage, we shall not back down on the Danziger question! No wait. The Crimea incident. That’s it! We have already dispatched the Nelson and the Rodney to the Black Sea.

    Speaking at the Lord Mayor’s Banquet on Monday, Johnson remarked “we hope that our friends may recognize that a choice is shortly coming between mainlining ever more Russian hydrocarbons in giant new pipelines and sticking up for Ukraine and championing the cause of peace and stability.” The UK and much of the EU has faced a worsening gas crisis in recent weeks, with prices shooting up by as much as 250% in some places.

    I wonder how the UK’s Bradwell B and Hinkley Point C NPPs are coming? Built together with China General Nuclear Power Group and China National Nuclear Corporation who actually designed the dual HPR1000 of Bradwell B but are still “stealing muh nuclear secrets”.

    Johnson also weighed in on the humanitarian crisis hitting the continent’s east, claiming Downing Street had been “quick to respond” when the UK’s “Polish friends” asked for help with the situation on their border with Belarus, which has seen a sharp spike in refugees attempting to cross into the EU illegally. Britain has deployed a contingent of engineers to help reinforce the border fence.

    I foresee, not war, but additional amounts of taxpayer giveaways channeled to Ukrainian interests. What for? Kickbacks of course.

    Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for war with Russia

    Oh sure. Yep. Right away! You so beautiful eyes, The Ukraine! EU will whiteknight you through the Fulda gap! *LUSTFUL MOAN*

  4. BorisMay says:

    Taiwan was never an option. It is 100 miles from its mother country and thousands of miles from the US.

    Currently the US can’t defend its own arse hole, let alone stop China from entering its own province of Taiwan to kick out any imperialist whores residing there.

    Grow up you people. Taiwan was lost as soon as Mao took the mainland.

    Whoever has his hand up Brandon’s backside knows there are better things afoot than wasting any more time on Taiwan or Ukraine or Iran.

    • Agree: Realist, showmethereal
    • Replies: @Rich
  5. I like how he hates conservatives. Haha.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  6. Trinity says:

    Let Poopy Joe and Ching Chong XI settle it up in the cage. For now on all world leaders will fight each other and the people can pay the PPV charge if they even want to bother watching.

    For the ten people in attendance and the fitty people watching. Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready, I said are you ready? Well then lets get ready to ruuuummmmbbbbbllllleee.

    Introducing first in the blue corner, this man has a record of 0-0 although he once stood up to Corn Pop, standing 6′ even and weighing a shriveled and decrepit 170lbs or so of hanging flesh, bony knees and no ass, Joltin’ Joe Biden.

    And in the red corner, this man needs to no introduction, he is known the world over as XI “The Executioner Chong.” This old dude has an outstanding record of 0-0 as well, however he probably knows some form of Yellow martial arts from watching Bruce Lee movies.

    Okay, men, you know the rules, no fish hooks, no eye gouges, no kicking in the nuts, and please no shitting your pants. Shake hands and may the best man win.

  7. No, of course not. It’s one of the things he agrees 100% with Donald Trump on. I said this before the election – you will see Biden reinforce the tariffs on China, and continue to refuse to negotiate with Iran, also raising the stakes with Russia.

    I obviously don’t want World War III with China over Taiwan or something idiotic like that… but why are tariffs bad again? Has Anglin converted to free trade neoliberalism of late or is this just the China shilling hitting the overdrive? Anything that’s bad for China is automatically bad whether its good for Americans or not?

    Overall bad article. Too little content and way too much screeching that’s just offputting. A low point for Anglin whether one appreciates his usual hyperbolic style or not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @d dan
  8. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Regan

    Anglin isn’t necessarily attacking the concept of tariffs, he’s attacking the rhetorical arguments of regime conservatives who propagated the idea that the Biden administration was a puppet of Beijing.

    • Thanks: John Regan, Rahan
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  9. @Smashed Squash

    No-one should write an article about American foreign or domestic policy without first visiting a nursing home and having extended conversations with residents on these matters.

    Then everything will start to make sense.

  10. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    Tariffs are good. Keep the tariffs. In fact, increase it ten fold so we can bring back all manufacturing. So what if things get too expensive. We should all consume a lot less. Even the poor in this country have a house full of cheap junk they don’t need. How much more plastic do we need to toss into the ocean?

    However, bringing back manufacturing is only good if we couple it with a 40 year moratorium on immigration. These manufacturing jobs need to go to native born citizens, not more Latino/Asian illegals. We can send some of this manufacturing south of the border, so the Latinos can stay home and work, no need to come up.

    The US doesn’t need just a decoupling from China, we need a total decoupling from all of Asia. While we’re at it, send all the Asian H1-B/greencard holders packing.

    F globalism! This pandemic was brought on entirely by those globetrotting globalists. Multinationals that want to sell their goods overseas at a cheaper price can manufacture in those regions, but whatever they sell in the US must be made in the US.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  11. papers says:

    Jews trying to play both sides, what else is new? There is an internal debate even among elite Jews which way to go. Soros has been advocating cutting off any contact with China. Jews like Schwarzman and Larry Fink disagree. As moneymen, they understand the corrosive power of financial markets and the necessity to groom an elite. Soros is simply a true-believer in the ideological liberal project. Fink and Schwarzman are pragmatic Jewish operatives whose commitment to liberalism only stretches as far as it can be useful for the in-group.

    Jewish elites have not given up on China completely, but they are definitely becoming cooler. China in turn understands the JQ and who really controls America. For them, it is part of relationship management. It doesn’t mean that Jews control China or that China is their friend. Neither is true, as exemplified by China’s foreign policy (pro-Iran, pro-Assad in the MENA region for e.g.). That kind of independence would be impossible for the USA.

    The whole “China is just as bad as the USA” when it comes to Jewish influence is a pathetic rightoid cope.

    • Agree: Miro23
  12. How is everyone enjoying the show so far?

    The fake left and right show? Speaking the same shit with different words.

    This actually reminds me of the fake horde and alliance in world of warcraft when I played it for a couple of years. This is all just to keep the stupid masses busy so they don’t look up.

    • Agree: Realist
  13. @El Dato

    The negro-sickxons are truly hilarious, laughable, and pathetic (((race))). Prost to these rats soon to be exterminated by Pakis!

  14. When Biden says that “all countries have to play by the same rules of the road”, what he means is that all countries must be handicapped so as to run with an equal burden of black and brown people. China (and Poland, Hungary etc.) are not playing by the same rules and will, inevitably, as you point out, outpace us. Hence they must be reined in–ruthlessly if necessary. They will be given the same treatment the Germans and Japs were given in WW2 for their having brashly surged ahead in manufacturing know how.

    If depopulation is truly the agenda of the wealthy elite then what’s not to like about a nuclear exchange with China? Our Glorious Leaders have their boltholes and a fifty year hiatus will give the depopulated planet a chance to heal. The Covid thing was a Hail Mary by the peaceful faction and now that that has failed, the hard nosed guys will take over and implement sterner measures.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. d dan says:
    @John Regan

    “but why are tariffs bad again?”

    Poor American. Still totally clueless about tariffs. Have to admire the skills of charlatan like Trump and the stupidity/gullibility of average American.

    Count on it: Biden will drop the tariffs – and it is NOT because it is good for China, or for Wall Street, or for Jews, or for whatever…

    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
  16. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    They will be given the same treatment the Germans and Japs were given in WW2 for their having brashly surged ahead in manufacturing know how.

    The jewblack empire doesn’t have the horses.

  17. @papers

    Amerimutt Boomercoons have always been on the lowest end of the IQ distribution. The fact that like half of them on this webzine is STILL not waking up to the fact that the Vax is the first of the many Marks of the Beast is eye-opening.
    Muttmerica has always been the toilet of the world. And it will end up like any decommissioned public relieving facility. Good riddance.

    Oh, and yes. World’s toilet vs World’s richest and most advanced country. It is insulting to even entertain such a thought.

    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
  18. With Uncle Schmuel, “having your back” is merely shorthand for “pleasuring himself with your backside”. The Talmud takes thousands upon thousands of words do deliver a message summed up by Aleister Crowley in merely four: Do what thou wilt. Anal rape – both literally and figuratively – are perfectly fine as long as it serves the ultimate objective: to have the boot placed forever upon YT’s face.

    Hopefully some in Latin America will eventually figure this out. Even so it’s worth noting that various satrapies in Latin America are doing nothing whatsoever to hinder the well-funded “caravans” of Haitians, etc. coming from places like Chile to the southern border, where they are flown – unvaccinated and untested – by those patriotic Murikans in uniform to various locales around the country.

    Aiding and abetting an invasion of your own country used to be referred to as Treason, but this seems to have become an archaic definition in today’s Murika. The invasion force will all no doubt be voting for Used-Depends Joe in the next round of the “mostest important erection evaaah” against Cheetohead the Clown, the God-Emperor of Grift.

  19. Baxter says:

    Does anyone has a reliable prediction for the number of immigrants America is expected to be hit with in 2020? If it’s this bad, then it must get worse. I mean ‘illegal’ immigrants, of course.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Baxter
  20. Alfa158 says:

    How does Carlos in that tweet actually know what was being said? I don’t understand whatever language that guy was speaking, so the only thing we can go on is that the woman seems to think she does, and translated what he said as “locked and loaded”. I would ask for an independent translation before assuming he really said that.

  21. @d dan

    Biden may drop the tariffs in exchange for cooperation on climate change, but it doesn’t matter. We are still going to war; the war will go nuclear; all chinaman in china will be destroyed; chinese civilization will be annihilated. That’s what you have to look forward to. Not the return of the middle kingdom, but the megadeath of your entire race. America am not allow peer competitor, so sowwy!

  22. @obwandiyag

    Who doesn’t despise weakness and treachery?

    Though, it’s more apt to say “he despises people who claim to be conservative.” Indeed, what values are they conserving? What races? What ways?

  23. @Anonymous

    Very well said.

    I’ll add to this too, Anglin is fairly consistent on being “Positive Nationalist” meaning: when a country does what China, Old America, old Germany, old British Empire, Korea, Japan or Modern/Old Russia used to do, namely reinforce their economy with protectionist models to ensure a level of self-sufficiency and prosperity that they could not achieve simply being an “importer of manufactured content” and an “exporter of meat currency” (i.e. a land whose only export is raw materials and bright people who will end up serving the country they move to, rather than improving their own lands and people), then this is good, and they should do that.

    If this trade action happens to upset some multinational or foreign corporations or governments because it shaves some points off of their total profits, than that is an okay cost and one that literally no one should be bothered about.

    What is bad is when any of this is done in a confrontational manner. No country needs to have prosperity to fuck over anyone else, and to have to phrase self-advancement in that language is a sign the regime in question does not like their own people nor want to actually improve anything. It also misleads the people, as the media turns everything into a war that must be won, rather than a simple “In today’s news, look at how prosperous Haiti is with their new localized agricultural program, and Libya is with their push for domestic control over gas production and agricultural investment in Africa, how nice! We’re looking to do some investment and infrastructure building as well.”

    So, in short, “Countries wanting to improve themselves is good. Countries doing things that might inconvenience foreigners to help their own people is good. Countries phrasing everything as an eternal conflict because someone else is actually considering the needs of their people is fake, gay, and above all, daemonic.”

  24. @HeebHunter

    look up the Dunning Kruger effect, experience the deep shame that knowledge brings you, and then kill yourself, you retarded faggot

  25. Xi and Brandon Do Zoom Call, Brandon Says He’s Going to Compete with China

    Brandon: “OK Xi, let’s see you top this when you meet British royalty!”

    “…Camilla ‘hasn’t stopped talking about’ hearing the President ‘break wind’…”:
    — (

  26. @El Dato

    The deranged punka-wallah fembot Haley thinks that China peacefully trading with Latin America, to the Latins’ great benefit, and NOT invading, subverting, sabotaging, sending in the death-squads or sanctioning them, is a threat? You can see from the type of crazed psychopaths that the USA throws up in politics, just what ‘Western Moral Values’ truly are.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  27. @papers

    The Judaic cult does not hold goyim in high esteem. As Ovadia Yosef, the leader of the Israeli Shas (Talmud) Party, a ‘revered’ figure in Israel whose funeral attracted the largest crowd in Israeli history, said,
    ‘Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world-only to serve the People of Israel.’.
    I can’t see the Chinese going along with that, so the old familiar Judaic hate-machine will be aimed squarely at them. That is not to say that they won’t give infiltration and exploitation a good go, but I don’t see any prospects of success.

  28. FvS says:

    The existential meaning of Asians is hatred of whites. Anglin is a race traitor whose Sinophilia stems from sexual perversion (like so many others on this site).

    • Troll: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Trinity
  29. Rich says:

    And yet, since 1948 the Reds haven’t been able to take it. Until China takes Taiwan, can they really be considered a military superpower? Hong Kong and Macau had to be handed over to them. If Hawaii, thousands of miles from the “mother country”, declared independence, and the US couldn’t take it back, everyone would be saying how weak America looked. The Chinese are on the rise, but they aren’t there yet, and a lot can happen on the road to hegemony.

    • Replies: @Avery
  30. Realist says:

    How could anyone take seriously a dialog between Xi and our brain-dead titular President?
    The United States has become a farce…and its days are numbered.

  31. Realist says:

    Does anyone has a reliable prediction for the number of immigrants America is expected to be hit with in 2020? If it’s this bad, then it must get worse. I mean ‘illegal’ immigrants, of course.


  32. Avery says:

    {The Biden-Xi meeting comes after a meeting earlier this year in Alaska when the Jewish Secretary of State Anthony Blinken attempted to bully Chinese diplomats, declaring that he would be dictating internal Chinese policy moving forward. China reacted negatively to his threats, telling him he had no right to dictate internal Chinese policy.}

    Understatement of the year by Anglin.

    China’s top diplomat Yang Jiechi’s rebuke of supremely incompetent, supremely arrogant Blinkbrain was epic. It went on for about 16 MINUTES. The highly intelligent interpreter, with excellent recall, young woman Zhang Jing went on for about 16 minutes also. (she starts at about 16:30 timestamp).

    [Chinese-English Consecutive Interpreter | Alaska Summit 2021]

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  33. Avery says:

    {And yet, since 1948 the Reds haven’t been able to take it}

    Typical Anglo-American (Anglo-Saxon?) thinking.
    Chinese don’t think like Anglo-Americans and don’t act it.
    Why would China risk killing 1,000s maybe tens of 1,000s fellow Chinese?
    Time is on China’s side.
    US will eventually withdraw from Asia*, and Taiwan will be left to float on its own back to China.

    * the Pentagon burden on US taxpayer is unsustainable. Together with the Medicare and Social Security looming insolvency on the horizon – 20,30,50 year – US will simply run out of money. And with the gradual loss of US $ position as reserve currency, we will be lucky to stay solvent.

    • Replies: @Rich
  34. Andreas says:

    Just as the US is transitioning domestically to a hyper-feminized, homo-core society; it is also now transitioning internationally to being the submissive partner of China. There will be no competition with China on the US’s own merits, despite the assurances of its lip-syncing president. Where the US was once pitchin’, it is now catchin’. But this is only a humiliation for the Zio-Globalist elites, not the American people.

  35. onebornfree says: • Website

    Yawn. Anglin the fervent statist complaining about the state possibly sending US troops off to some useless war in foreign lands yet again. “Wah wah wah, blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda” – when it (war) is nothing more than “”business” as usual” for the state, and Anglin, as per usual, is apparently entirely unable to see that.

    As I said: “yawn”.

    And so it goes. 😒

    “War is the health of the state.” Randolph Bourne

    “If men want to oppose war, it is statism that they must oppose. So long as they hold the tribal notion that the individual is sacrificial fodder for the collective, that some men have the right to rule others by force, and that some (any) alleged “good” can justify it- there can be no peace within a nation and no peace among nations.” Ayn Rand

    Regards, onebornfree

  36. Trinity says:

    (((Anglin))) is a troll.

  37. Rich says:

    Read your history, if it’s still allowed. The Red Chinese have tried, several times in the past, to take Taiwan, but failed. Taiwan is well armed and a substantial percent of the nation is willing to fight an invasion. The reds can’t take the island without massive casualties. And there are many military experts, Anglo-Saxon, Chinese, German, French, Japanese and more, who believe Taiwan can withstand an invasion. I’ll believe the Reds can take it when they do it.

  38. Having Biden and his administration, including the establishment media, in power, is like living through one huge and bad reality TV show, with the bad part being, that they are destroying the country. I was able to take Trumps bullshitting, because he really did not damage the country. Biden is intolerable to listen to and Is damaging the country. He is literally insulting to anyone with an I.Q. over 65.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs, follyofwar
  39. anonymous[167] • Disclaimer says:

    We should try to quantify the amount of IQ and competitiveness lost. I would estimate roughly that the average national IQ is going to drop by 5 points in 2050 versus what it was in 1950.*

    At the same time due to high IQ immigration, the top 5% of the country got a lot smarter. Since the top 5% contributes a lot to GDP per capita, I don’t know to what extent mass immigration by dragging down average national IQ is going to bring down the economy. But obviously, there won’t be an economic collapse since the IQ situation is not hopeless. There probably won’t even be a long-term economic contraction from where we are in 2021. The economy will just suffer from low growth for several decades.

    *1950: 90% white, 10% black
    2050: 45% white, 36% Hispanic/mixed/other, 13% black, 8% Asian
    Doing rough calculations I assume an IQ of 100 for whites in 1950 and 2050, 85 for blacks, 105 for Asians, and 90 for Hispanic/mixed/other. Based on those assumptions, I calculate a decline of 5 IQ points.

  40. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Granted, China and the Team China nut-huggers who infest this forum have a grotesquely inflated view of its capabilities. However, I find it hard to believe that China couldn’t subdue Taiwan by force if they really wanted to. (And of course, the Americans wouldn’t lift a finger to aid Taiwan militarily.) There really isn’t a reason for China to do such a thing, although given their national ego (something they telegraph all too well to the Americans), they might eventually do it.

  41. @Rich

    Avery pointed out that you are a typically bloodthirsty US nut-case, and here you are again, like a rabid dog with a bone, still with that old Yankee Doodle death lust.

    • Replies: @Rich
  42. Funniest story of the day. Austfailia, in another new act of vicious hostility, is to ban scientific co-operation with China. The Murdochite Sinophobes, as scurvy a bunch of race-haters as one could imagine, are yelping with delight. Seres delenda est!
    Austfailia, that scientific/intellectual powerhouse (God this is ludicrous) is going to deny the ChiComms, the leading patent producing country, the fruits of our research in AI, quantum computing and other high-tech fields. Without that outstanding research, the fruit of White, Right minds working according to ‘Western Moral Values’, the dreaded CCP will collapse (yet again!)because Commie Chinks can’t think like White Men. You can take that to the bank. Christ this country has gone raving mad, bad and dangerous to know.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  43. Because China didn’t import tons of blacks, it won’t dominate in sports or have a ‘vibrant’ musical culture. But it won’t have social dysfunction on the scale of Baltimore and Detroit.

    Because China didn’t import Jews, it won’t have cutting edge innovation and intellectualism. But it won’t have a hostile elite ruling China either. Actually, China was rather like the US before the 100 yrs of humiliation(that also allowed for rejuvenation). Manchus, who made up 2% of China, ruled as overlords and suppressed national aspirations of the Han Chinese. (In a way, the 100 yrs of humiliation by the West weakened the Manchus and set the Han Chinese on the path to retake China.)

    • Replies: @Anon
  44. Rich says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You’re an amusing fellow. It’s bloodthirsty to state obvious facts that an invasion of Taiwan is considered very difficult, that Taiwan is well-armed, that a significant portion of its population doesn’t want to live under the ccp and that the Reds haven’t been able to take it for 70 years? Is it bloodthirsty to say the sky is blue, the sun is hot and you ain’t that sharp?

  45. @El Dato

    Y3ah pretty funny someone like Nikki Haley claims China wants to control Asia meanwhile she is just rehashing the Monroe Doctrine with pretend “allies” in Latin America. How many coups has the US perpetrated un Latin America??? Not to mention invasions. The latest coups were in Bolivia and Nicaragua – again. In Bolivia the people just voted in the same party that was ousted. In Nicaragua they voted Ortega in again with international observers saying (and in some cases showing) it was clean… Biden says it was not valid – lol.

    It actually reminds of an election in 1980 in the Caribbean. The US favored candiate one. The election was a complete joke. One of my own relatives living there voted as they were actually in favor of the US candidate. They unashamedly voted several times. Even the 6 year old child voted. Lol. But according to Washington the election was clean simply because the US favored guy one. A complete joke. Well it would have been if so many people dodnt die in election violence. But that is another matter.

  46. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    LOL… I read that story about Australia and I thought since it was early in the morning that it was a joke… But now you are confirming it. Yeah – nobody could make this stuff up.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  47. @Rich

    He says you are bloodthirsty because you want there to be war. For almost 50 years the official doctrine has been for “peaceful reunification”. You claim “Taiwan is well armed”… Yet their own military disagrees with you. So who are these “experts” you talk about?

    • Replies: @Rich
  48. Rich says:

    You’re joking, right? Admiral Ian Easton has written extensively about it, Asst Secretary of the Army, Kris Osborne, ROC General Chen, Eric Gomez, Cato Institute and a host of other analysts have written that an invasion of Taiwan would be difficult to say the least and could lead to a major defeat of Red China. Of course, there are others who believe the opposite, but so far, despite past attempts, the Reds have been unable, or unwilling, to invade. Yet, Hawaii remains firmly in the grasp of the USA, despite being thousands of miles a way. A real humiliation for Xi, seeing all those Nationalists thumbing their noses at him, enjoying secure, prosperous lives. Must burn you guys up, eh?

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Avery
    , @showmethereal
  49. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Because China didn’t import Jews, it won’t have cutting edge innovation and intellectualism.

    What the F?

    Cutting edge innovation? Like how to steal and get away with it?

    Intellectualism? Like SOPHISTRY?

    Quit kissing their devil asses.

  50. @Anon

    You can find “experts” that can come up with anything. The Pentagon and Taipei’s own leadership believes at max it would take 3 days for the PLA to seize the island. Most of your analysts are looking at 1990’s data just how you look at 1950’s scenarios. Your idea that the PLA hasnt invaded because the island is too well defended is nonsense. The last time an invasion was tried on small islands close to the mainland – as opposed to big Taiwan island itself was back in the 50’s. Do you understand the state of China back then compared to now?? Be serious. The TWO sides simply just shelled each other on opposite days just to keep the embers of the civil war burning. They MUTUALLY decided to stop in the 1970’s because both sides saw it as a waste of time and money. They both agreed they would NEGOTIATE reconciliation between the two sides some day in the future (which the US affirmed in writing in the Joint Communiques when it established diplomatic ties with Beijing and removed them from Taipei). There was no physical hostility but little by little acts of reconciliation. Until the late 90’s when Beijing realized what was going on in the upcoming “elections”. Beijing began test firing weapons in case the island broke its word and began to push for independence. The US under Bill Clinton sent aircraft carriers to the area as a show of force. Then Beijing realized the US was indeed i tending to play the Taiwan card. So since that time the PLA has built up its force to take the island and stave off US and Japanese intervention. China doesnt try to play policeman of the world – so all of China’s resources are very very targeted. You are reading the wrong writers.

    The only way a hot war starts is if the island – with US backing – breaks its word and violates the “gentleman’s cease fire” (never officially signed) of the 70’s and the One China principle of 1992 which stated both sides have their own government but they are BOTH China. Those are the facts. So that is why the other writer called you bloodthirsty. It is you outsiders hoping to goad into hot war again.

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    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  51. @Showmethereal

    And there will be a not inconsiderable number of Chinese patriots in Taiwan who will not be led by compradore vermin to become a colony of the USA.

    • Troll: Rich
  52. @showmethereal

    Race hatred runs through the Right in Australia like a foaming sewer. Good relations with China were always doomed, once Thanatopolis DC snapped its fingers. Race, cultural and ideological ie class hatreds are the living force that drives the Right. And this is genocidal. Even a totally compradore China, run by President Joshua Wong, would be an existential threat to US global dominance, so China must be ‘brought down’ to another century or more of chaos, division, humiliation etc.

  53. @Anon

    Every time I see one of Piss Factotum’s moronic utterances, I am fortified in my decision to block his tripe.

    • Troll: Rich
  54. Avery says:

    {despite past attempts, the Reds have been unable, or unwilling, to invade. }

    What are these alleged ‘past attempts’ ?
    Would you please list them by date, what specific action taken by PLA, and references (…so we can verify your claim).


    • Replies: @Rich
  55. Avery says:

    {Hawaii remains firmly in the grasp of the USA, despite being thousands of miles a way. }

    A non sequitur.
    Hawaii had no military when US invaded and took it over.
    A handful of native Hawaiians couldn’t possibly fight against the invaders.

    And since you are so proud of US military might, please tell us how is it that:

    1) During Korean war, 1 million Chinese troops pushed US military and her allies all the way from China’s border to the end of Koreas. US did manage to recover with the help of superior USAF, and reached a stalemate at the DMZ.

    Some years later, North Koreans captured the US spy ship Pueblo, tortured its crew for months, and still have the Pueblo in a museum. Your omnipotent US military couldn’t do JackS______.

    Some more years later, North Koreans attacked and hacked to death with axes 2 US troops. Again US did JackS________.

    2) How US was routed by Vietnamese “Reds” despite having overwhelming technological superiority and air supremacy. The remnants of your proud warriors clung to helicopters to escape the rolling thunder of the “Red” tanks. “Red” Vietnamese still run a well managed Viet Nam. With which, btw, US is quite friendly and does significant trade. Thank you very much.

    3) Defeat in Afghanistan. Your proud US warriors couldn’t run fast enough.
    In fact they ran so fast that they left behind $ Billions of modern weapons to the hated Taliban, and left hundreds of US citizens behind.

    4) Pending defeat in Iraq.

    5) Draw. Defeat, defeat, defeat,…..

    In fact US hasn’t won a single war against a peer force since WW2.
    Over to you.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @d dan
    , @showmethereal
  56. Rich says:

    Are you really that unfamiliar with Chinese history, and yet comment like you have knowledge? After the Nationalist retreat to Taiwan, Mao had a large number of spies among the Nationalists, preparing for his invasion. In 1950, the spy ring was busted up, over 400 spies arrested, and Mao chickened out. The second time, in 1950-51, the Reds planned to invade, but Truman brought in the 7th fleet and the Reds ended up fighting in Korea instead. The there was the 1st Taiwan Strait Crisis, the 2nd and the third. In between these there was the communist bombing when Ike visited Taiwan and the Taiwanese response. If you sit down and open a book, the short history of this conflict is pretty interesting and the military planning for a full scale invasion is filled with intricacies and difficulties that up to this date have kept the ccp from taking the island.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  57. Rich says:

    I wrote the response to your Taiwan question before I saw this ridiculous response.
    1 N Korea invaded S Korea seeking to unite the peninsula. They failed, the South remains free and prosperous to this date.
    2 The US won every major battle against the NVA and withdrew 2 years before the North took the South. Because of your unfamiliarity with history, you don’t know that those clips of people clinging to helicopters were Vietnamese nationals brave American pilots were trying to save, not American troops.
    3 The taliban hid out in the bush and only came out after the US withdrew. For about 20 years, as long as the US wanted, the islamists remained out of power.
    4 Call me when America decides, on its own timeline, to withdraw from Iraq.
    You don’t understand the difference between military victories and defeats, and political ones.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @GomezAdddams
  58. d dan says:

    “In fact US hasn’t won a single war against a peer force since WW2.”

    US and the West have much LESS cultural depth in war theory and strategy than China. Most of the wars fought in and by the West relied on brute force, weaponry and technology. China commanders emphasize and understand more about strategy, tactics, collective efforts and disciplines. Just watch some of the war movies made by the West vs Chinese to see the differences, in their climax and main theme.

    When Westerners read Sun Tzu, many thought they already knew about Chinese war philosophy, but fail to appreciate that Sun Tzu was just one of the many war books in Chinese classics. Almost a thousand years ago, Song military schools already prescribed a rich library of must-read military Chinese books for their military students.

    Today, as the American military might wanes, they are losing all edges even in the brute force / weaponry / tech areas. The most “competent” crew of the their most respected service couldn’t even navigate properly during PEACE time, without colliding with a “sea mountain” or a tanker/container ship. To feel secure, people like Rich therefore needs to keep inventing and imagining stories like China’s multiple “attempts” to invade Taiwan, or uses of “human wave” tactics to win the Korea war.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  59. @Rich

    Ad 1) More exactly the US reneged on the agreed-upon “free and general elections”
    followed by reunification because they had found a sellout (I will not demean
    the good name of Vidkun Quisling for these shits)
    they knew didn´t stand a snowball´s chance
    in hell in said elections. As it was in Korea, so in Vietnam and Germany.

    Ad 4) The $$$ system will not hold forever – and without the World having
    to pay for its transgressions the US is a hollow popanz.

    • Disagree: Rich
  60. antibeast says:

    You’re correct in that both Mao and Chiang tried to or planned to attack each other during the 1950s at the onset of the Cold War. But you ignore the political developments since the cross-straits hostilities died down thereafter until both sides agreed to the ‘1992 Consensus’ that Taiwan is part of China under the ‘One-China’ principle in which neither side would provoke each other in the Chinese Civil War. The 2015 Xi-Ma Summit in Singapore affirmed the ‘1992 Consensus’ which effectively means that an ‘armistice’ is in place since the 1990s. All these talk of Xi’s lack of will to invade Taiwan is utter nonsense because both sides have already agreed that Taiwan is part of China under the ‘One-China’ principle which means that both sides would eventually work towards a peaceful reunification. The only POLITICAL problems left to resolve are WHEN and HOW Taiwan is going to be reunited with mainland China.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Rich
  61. Rich says:

    Again, I’ll believe it when I see it. On paper it looks like it will happen, it hasn’t happened yet. And, Taiwan appears to be arming itself and preparing for an invasion.

    • Replies: @Daemon
    , @antibeast
  62. @Rich

    Ooops…. Reply 51 was for you… I must have replied to the wrong person. I see others already addressed you though

  63. @Avery

    “In fact US hasn’t won a single war against a peer force since WW2.
    Over to you.”

    Even then it only joined the fight when both Germany and Japan had already been fighting for years and were already stressed and stretched.

  64. Daemon says:

    Buying expensive US military boondoggles and simultaneously cutting compulsory military service does not point to Taiwan preparing for an invasion. It points to Taiwan expecting the US to do the fighting and dying.

    • Disagree: Rich
  65. antibeast says:

    I don’t want to spend my time here disabusing you of all the alarmist but misleading innuendos put out by the Western MSM regarding the situation in Taiwan. But suffice it to say that there is no popular support for Taiwanese Independence except for a few DPP diehards who harbor an intense hatred of the KMT. Xi doesn’t need to invade Taiwan precisely because the KMT and the ROC military will be the first to oppose any attempt by the DPP to declare Taiwanese Independence.

    That historic event when Xi Jing-ping met Ma Ying-jeou in their 2015 Singapore Summit where they affirmed the ‘One-China’ principle of the 1992 Consesus, as witnessed by the entire world, makes their 2015 Communique legally binding under International Law. Any talk of an ‘imminent invasion’ by China against Taiwan is just a marketing gimmick by the Western MSM to help the US Deep State sell more overpriced US-made weapons to Tsai Ing-wen so her cronies can pocket some kickbacks for themselves.

    The DPP knows that their so-called ‘Taiwanese Independence’ movement is a dead-end, as all their legal options have been exhausted after nearly three decades of trying every trick in the book. Other than pandering to anti-Chinese forces in the USA and Japan, the DPP has no other option left but to drop their pro-independence agenda from their party platform as their game is now over.

    • Replies: @Rich
  66. Rich says:

    And yet, Taiwan remains independent. It’s military is filled with “hardliners” who appear ready to fight a military invasion, communist China remains hesitant to invade, and we fast approach 100 years of separation. Like you write, everything on paper indicates there will be a reintegration with Taiwan, but it still hasn’t happened. Once more, I’ll believe it when I see it.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  67. antibeast says:

    You’re just grasping at straws: the PRC and the ROC are the two rival States in the Chinese Civil War which ended in a military stalemate during the Cold War just like the DPRK and the ROK after the Korean War. After the Fall of the Soviet Union, both the PRC and the ROC agreed to the ‘1992 Consensus’ that Taiwan is part of China under the ‘One-China’ principle where both sides would work towards the peaceful reunification of Taiwan with China. That 1992 Consensus became the legal basis for the peaceful cross-straits relations between Taiwan and China since then.

    Against this backdrop, the DPP has been trying to promote the so-called ‘Taiwanese Independence’ agenda since its inclusion as part of its charter in 1991 but which has failed again and again, in both elections and referenda conducted since then. Contrary to the DPP’s own propaganda, the ROC is NOT politically independent from China as the ROC’s own Constitution says that Taiwan is part of China. That is the LEGAL definition of what Taiwan is today since its handover to China by Japan at the end of WWII.

    The political argument that Taiwan is somehow ‘independent’ of China is a futile exercise in childish wordplay. It’s just a strawman used to belabor the point that Taiwan is LEGALLY part of China but has remained separated from China by the inconclusive Chinese Civil War. That’s why the KMT agreed to the ‘1992 Consensus’ to allow peaceful cross – straits relations between Taiwan and China which was affirmed during the 2015 Xi-Ma Summit in Singapore.

    The DPP can keep on throwing their childish pro-independence tantrums but somebody ought to tell them that their three-decade-old ‘Taiwanese Independence’ game is now over.

  68. @antibeast

    What you wrote is true – especially childish wordplay. Lithuania got goaded by Washington to let the DPP open a “Taiwan” representative office and then trued to claim China is being a bully and that they arent violating the One China principle. Well now Lithuania no longer will have a Chinese ambassador as their relations have been downgraded and even trains leaving from China have been stopped. It was an expensive game Lithuania played. Now they had to get a $600 mil line of credit from the US and is begging the EU for more help from the “bully” China. Washington really knows how to find stooges.

  69. antibeast says:

    To illustrate what I mean by my statement that the ROC is politically ‘separated’ from but not politically independent of China, consider the following two cases:

    1). The German Democratic Republic (GDR) in East Germany reunified with the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) in West Germany in October 1990. Before then, both the GDR and the FRG had existed as politically separated entities since October 1949.

    2). The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) has existed since its founding in 1945 while the Republic of Korea (ROK) became a politically separated entity in 1948. During the Korean War, the DPRK invaded but failed to conquer the ROK in order to reunify North Korea with South Korea.

    Same principle of ‘National Sovereignty’ applies to the political separation of Taiwan from China which was the outcome of the Chinese Civil War between the two rival Chinese States: the PRC in the mainland and the ROC in Taiwan.

  70. Rich says:

    And yet, they remain independent…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  71. antibeast says:

    And yet, they remain independent…

    In your dreams…

    • Replies: @Rich
  72. Rich says:

    Yeah, you’re right, the ccp is actually running things in Taiwan, they don’t have their own army or economy or currency.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @showmethereal
  73. antibeast says:

    The CCP doesn’t run HK which has its own flag, currency, government, etc. In fact, the British created HK which had nothing to do with China at all. And yet, HK is now part of China since its handover by the British in 1997.

    The CCP doesn’t run Taiwan either which has its own ROC flag, currency, government, military, etc. created by the KMT after its handover to China by Japan after WWII.

    Are you going to say that Taiwan is not part of China because it is governed by the Republic of China whose Constitution says that Taiwan is part of China?

    The fact of the matter is that the ROC in Taiwan has always been ‘Chinese’. The difference between the ROC and the PRC was ideological because the KMT is anti-Communist while the CCP was Communist. But the Chinese Civil War is now practically over as the ideological conflict between the CCP and the KMT has largely disappeared since the 1992 Consensus. Their cross-straits relations has developed peacefully as social, cultural and economic integration between the two sides has been going on for more than three decades now.

    For whatever nefarious reasons, the US Deep State and the Western MSM are eager to hype up the ideological differences between the CCP and the KMT while ignoring the political reality that Deng had already abandoned ‘Chinese Communism’ since his pro-market reforms in the 80s while Xi has already adopted ‘Chinese Nationalism’ since his ascent to power in 2012.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Avery
    , @showmethereal
    , @Rich
  74. Avery says:

    {Their cross-straits relations has developed peacefully as social, cultural and economic integration between the two sides has been going on for more than three decades now.}


    To wit, trade between mainland China and Taiwan:
    [Taiwan’s Top Trading Partners
    Taiwan’s top trading partners, countries that imported the most Taiwanese shipments by dollar value during 2020

    China: US$103.1 billion (29.7% of Taiwan’s total exports)
    United States: $50.9 billion (14.7%)
    Hong Kong: $49.3 billion (14.2%)
    Japan: $23.5 billion (6.8%)
    Singapore: $19.2 billion (5.5%)
    South Korea: $15.2 billion (4.4%)
    Vietnam: $10.6 billion (3%)
    Malaysia: $9.5 billion (2.7%)
    Netherlands: $6.1 billion (1.8%)]

    The numbers speak for themselves.

    Vile, bloodthirsty, anti-American* Neocon GloboSorosistas that have completely infested the American body politic, are desperately thirsting for more rivers of blood of innocents. Because, they have no other purpose in life than Death & Destruction.

    ““It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world” George Washington, a genuine American patriot.

    “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations…entangling alliances with none” Thomas Jefferson, a genuine American patriot.

    “But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” John Quincy Adams, a genuine American patriot.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  75. @Rich

    You don’t seem to get that rather than invade and kill people – Beijing prefers to let Taiwan run it’s own affairs – as agreed in 1992 both sides recognize they controlled part of China – but they were both China.

    If you really understood you would know Hong Kong and Macau actually have more international say than Taiwan does… Specifically because they are officially recognized.

    • LOL: Rich
  76. Avery says:

    {For whatever nefarious reasons, the US Deep State and the Western MSM are eager to hype up the ideological differences between……}

    The following paragraph sums up quite well one of the reasons:
    [Three decades after declaring victory in the Cold War, and after the self-inflicted chaos of the U.S. “Global War on Terror,” U.S. military planners have settled on a new Cold War as the most persuasive pretext to perpetuate their trillion dollar war machine and their unattainable ambition to dominate the entire planet. Instead of asking the U.S. military to adapt to more new challenges it is clearly not up for, U.S. leaders decided to revert to their old conflict with Russia and China to justify the existence and ridiculous expense of their ineffective but profitable war machine.]

    In addition, I have thought of a couple of more reasons:

    — Israel firsters, who are overrepresented in the US Deep State and their Propaganda & Disinformation channels (CNN, CBS, NBC, PBS,…..) are working diligently to misdirect American voters’ attention from Middle East/Israel to somewhere else, so that Israel can do whatever it wants to do there.

    — Aside from the over-bloated Pentagon, US has something like 17 “Intelligence” (sic) agencies sucking up $ 10s of Billions of taxpayer dollars for doing nothing. They need to justify their existence and the bloated salaries of their employees by constantly manufacturing “threats” to “our way of life”.

    — US Gov needs to distract American people from the massive internal problems: crumbling infrastructure , race relations, spiraling prices, disfunction of civic institutions,…..What better way to hype up foreign bogies. It’s been done by all rulers for 1,000s of years.

    — It is much easier to clamp down on and erase our Constitutional rights, if there is a foreign “threat”.

  77. @antibeast

    Not just Hong Kong… But many don’t realize tiny Macau actually has more “independence” than Taiwan. Macau and Hong Kong can both join international organizations and use their own names (with SAR – China added). They can sign trade agreements and can have their own representatives at UN and other international orgs. Macau and Hong Kong also have it better because while they pay no tax to the mainland and get subsidized water – food – and electricity – they also save lots of money because they don’t have to pay for a military – since the Mainland provides that. Taiwan would be able to do like they do and spend their money on local infrastructure and education and such to improve quality of life. But the DPP is bent on their madness. So now – I don’t know if you saw – that companies who fund the DPP campaigns will now be cracked down on the Mainland.

    The US is pushing for war because they are trying to get Taiwan to be able to do those things too without it having signed an official agreement with the Mainland like Hong Kong and Macau. People like “Rich” don’t understand how dangerous the situation because the US media brainwashes them. it’s sad really.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  78. Rich says:

    Are you actually saying that Taiwan is in the same category as Hong Kong? Or Macau? Are you joking? Yes, ROC claims to be the true Chinese government. They have since 1949, and they have a legitimate claim, as the ccp has a sort of legit claim to Taiwan. But facts are facts. Taiwan, at this point in time, operates as an independent state, Whether you like to admit it or not, and will remain an independent state, until they don’t. CCP doesn’t collect taxes, control the police, the military or businesses. Taiwan is armed to the teeth and all their weapons are pointed at the mainland. You can’t possibly be so thick as to not understand a claim to a piece of land and actually controlling it. The Republic of Ireland claims Northern Ireland, Argentina claims the Falklands, Bolivia claims the Atacama, India claims Kashmir. And the PRC claims Taiwan.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  79. antibeast says:

    No, you’re wrong. The PRC controls the international relations of the ROC by mandating all countries to recognize Taiwan as part of China. That’s why Taiwan is not politically independent of China because the PRC asserts its national sovereignty to rule all of China by practicing its ‘One-China’ principle vis-a-vis Taiwan in its foreign policy.

    The ROC has been doing the same thing since its founding in 1911 but the KMT lost to the CCP which forced its relocation to Taiwan in 1949. Since then, the ROC has seen its diplomatic recognition shrink to about a dozen UN members precisely due to the above-mentioned foreign policy of the PRC.

    Your claim was that the CCP doesn’t run the ROC in Taiwan which implies its political independence from China. My rebuttal was to cite the case of HK which is neither run by nor created by the CCP. And yet HK which was a British creation is now legally part of China after its handover in 1997.

    Your claim that the Republic of China in Taiwan which was created by the KMT or Chinese Nationalist Party is somehow ‘independent’ of China is contradicted by the Constitution of the Republic of China which says in black and white that Taiwan is part of China over which the ROC asserts its national sovereignty. Both the CCP and the KMT agreed to the ‘1992 Consensus’ that Taiwan is part of China under the ‘One-China’ principle which is based on national sovereignty, regardless of their political ideologies. The ‘1992 Consensus’ was reaffirmed by the 2015 Xi-Ma Summit in Singapore.

    By the way, China does exercise national sovereignty over Taiwanese citizens by granting them legal residency, recognizing their academic qualifications and accepting their professional certifications in the mainland. In addition, China has passed anti-secession laws and imposed sanctions against pro-independence individuals/groups in Taiwan which disproves your claim of its political independence.

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @antibeast
  80. antibeast says:

    The US is pushing for war because they are trying to get Taiwan to be able to do those things too without it having signed an official agreement with the Mainland like Hong Kong and Macau.

    The PRC doesn’t need to invade Taiwan because the ROC itself defines Taiwan as part of China. Both the KMT and the ROC military are opposed to the DPP’s failed attempts at promoting Taiwanese Independence which is nothing new as their antics have lasted three decades now.

    The DPP has already exhausted all their legal options which leaves courting Foreign Powers to support their last ditch effort at promoting Taiwanese Independence. But their time is running out as China has passed the anti-secession law and applied sanctions against pro-independence individuals/groups in Taiwan.

    Despite the alarmist talk, there is no support for Taiwanese Independence within and outside Taiwan. Only a few DPP diehards are leading this doomed movement which has failed to gain any support in Taiwan, despite three decades of failed attempts by Lee Teng-hui, Chen Shui-bian and Tsai Ing-wen. Tsai actually lost to Ma during the 2012 Presidential Elections which forced her to change her stance from pro-independence to pro-status quo in the 2016 Presidential Elections, allowing her to win against a weak candidate from the KMT. But she is on her second and last term in office. After that, their movement is finished.

  81. @Avery

    And really should just include Hong Kong with the Mainland numbers since the vast majority of it (like most imports that Hong Kong receives from the whole world) goes to the Mainland.

  82. antibeast says:

    The Westerners who believe in the so-called ‘Taiwan is not part of China’ delusion don’t realize what a big joke those DPP scammers really are. The DPP scammers also tend to play the ‘Communist China’ red-baiting card as if the Cold War never ended for both sides of the Taiwan Straits.

    Westerners tend to ignore historical facts which prove that both the PRC and ROC claim national sovereignty over all of China including Taiwan because they contradict their oft-stated views on the political ideology of the CCP. But political ideology should not be confused with national sovereignty as both the CCP and KMT fought the Chinese Civil War over political ideology not national sovereignty.

    The KMT retreated to Taiwan to relocate the ROC to the island province. During the Cold War, Chiang Kai-shek and his son ruled Taiwan as a one-man military dictatorship, promising that the KMT would retake the mainland from the CCP. But something happened to the PRC as Deng took over from Mao and decided to adopt pro-market reforms in the economy of China. That effectively ended the Chinese Civil War between the CCP and the KMT as their ideological differences have largely disappeared since then.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  83. antibeast says:

    One last thing, the ROC’s foreign policy is not the sole determinant of its international relations because of its political dependency on the PRC’s ‘One-China’ principle as accepted by virtually all UN members and international organizations.

    A good example of this political dependency is the fact that Taiwan is allowed by the PRC to participate in the Olympics only as ‘Chinese Taipei’ to designate its local character.

    Another example is the ROC’s claim to the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea where the Taiwanese occupy Taiping Island. After the Philippines filed the legal case against China before the PCA, the Taiwanese had to reject the PCA ruling even though the Philippines does not recognize the ROC as representative of China because the ROC also claim national sovereignty over the Spratly Islands.

    If Taiwan were not part of China, then the Taiwanese would not have bothered to respond to the PCA ruling which involved China and the Philippines but not Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen even had to send an ROC warship to Taiping Island in response to the PCA ruling in order to assert China’s claim to the Spratly Islands.

    In effect, both the PRC and the ROC now behave like de-facto ‘One Country, Two Systems’ with their de-jure integration being a legal formality. This would have happened after the 2015 Xi-Ma Summit in Singapore had the DPP not throw any more childish tantrums after that historic meeting.

    Since the ROC in Taiwan as created by the KMT or Chinese Nationalist Party has always been ‘Chinese’, the integration of Taiwan with China would have been a lot easier than HK’s integration with the PRC. After all, HK was British at the time of its handover to China in 1997 while Taiwan has become Chinese after 75 years of Chinese rule since its handover to China in 1946.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  84. @anon

    USA to become —Gilligan’s Island–wonderful !!

  85. @Rich

    Vietnam and Afghanistan were flukes—yes indeed.

  86. @Rich

    Check the socre card —2021-1776 = 245??? Now during this time —20 years is the time USA has NOT been at war. Wars kill people—breaks the 6th commandment. However, All this USA exceptionalism is Hegeomon 101. USA will be less 50% white in 2040’s —then it will tank—for sure. Revolution following Bankruptcy.

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