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The NRA was the only thing standing between you and these Jewish gun-grabbers, and the NRA has been totally neutered.

People think that guns shoot themselves. A large number of people think this, because the media said it over and over and over again, and a lot of people in this retarded, fake country will believe something if they hear it on the media enough times, regardless of what it is.

They’re doing child trannies in the public schools in secret. You think they can’t take your guns?

The government can literally do whatever it wants because of the way it works with the media.

Look at this lede.

The Hill:

National Rifle Association (NRA) officials dismissed calls for stricter gun laws on Friday during their annual convention, which is taking place in Houston, a city less than 300 miles from the Texas school shooting that claimed the lives of 19 children and two adults earlier in the week.

NRA head Wayne LaPierre told his group’s members that the Uvalde mass shooting “should never happen again” but rejected gun control proposals, calling gun ownership a “fundamental human right.”

His remarks indicate that Tuesday’s massacre has done nothing to shift the group’s long-standing opposition to any gun restrictions, including expanded background checks and a ban on assault-style weapons.

“Restricting the fundamental human right of law-abiding Americans to defend themselves is not the answer. It never has been,” LaPierre said.

Instead, LaPierre called for additional security at schools, changes to the criminal justice system and new funding to “fix our nation’s broken mental health system” to stop future school shootings.

“We need to protect our schools, because our children deserve at least, and in fact more protection than our banks, stadiums and government buildings … so that every school has a comprehensive security program tailored specifically to that school to meet its security needs,” he said.

Over a pre-recorded video message to NRA members, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) reiterated talking points from NRA officials that new gun laws will not prevent individuals from breaking the law.

“There are thousands of laws on the books across the country that limit the owning or using of firearms, laws that have not stopped madmen from carrying out evil acts on innocent people in peaceful communities,” Abbott said.

I’ve pretty much concluded that it is the government doing all of these shootings – one way or another.

Related: Just Answer the Question, Ted: Why Do These Mass Shootings Only Happen in America?

But even if the shootings were totally organic events – what does that have to do with anything? This is like saying that because someone projectile vomited on the gears of large electronic machine and caused it to explode and kill children, you’re not allowed to buy food. Guns are literally a human right. The fact that gay countries in the world ban people from having guns doesn’t change that fact.

The media is not mentioning in these articles that the NRA is being sued six ways to Sunday and has already declared bankruptcy.

More: the bankruptcy didn’t work and the courts are allowing for even more lawsuits against them.

This is no longer a powerful organization, because this country is lawless and judges can allow for you to be sued into oblivion for advocating for the Constitution.

Gun control is the only issue in the country that the Republican Party still sides with the people on, and they are about to lose that fight like they’ve lost every single fight since the 1960s.

But hey – Dan Crenshaw is going to win his mission to send your kids to die in the Ukraine for anal sex in child’s schools, just like he won his mission to send billions of dollars in weapons to flood the streets of Europe while your guns are being taken.

Argh, ya land lubber! Blimey! Batten down the hatches and set sail for the Ukraine! Ho, we’re off to find the AIPAC treasure*!

The Republicans can’t do anything about guns, but they’ll sure as hell deliver that world war you asked for. Many of these moron Republicans literally asked for a world war.

*Joke stolen from Nick Fuentes

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  1. Law-Abiding West Virginian Woman With Concealed Firearm Stops A Mass Shooting

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/law-abiding-west-virginia-woman-concealed-firearm-stops-mass-shooting

    Happened yesterday. Nothing about it in our big media.

    • Thanks: Avery, Realist
  2. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:

    Serfs and Slaves are not allowed to bear arms

    Noblemen, Yeomen Farmers, Burghers, and other Freemen are able to bear arms.

    It’s always been that way.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  3. You keep your rights when you fight for them and keep to God’s Word.
    Amerimutts betrayed God and are the most slavish, subhuman kike golem. They also disarmed Europe and gave it to the kikes and commies. Practically disarmed us and then flood us with paid liberal shills.

    Fuck these amerimutts. Payback for their iniquity. Payback for 1919, 1945, and all other misadventures afterward. Even hellfire is too kind for these kike loving coons.

  4. Anglin just mailed this one in. The gun rights movement has never been stronger, witness the expansion of permitless carry in the last 12 years (19 states codified it). Even NY may get “shall issue” if the Supreme Court rules in its favor. The NRA may or may not have been “neutered,” but the results suggest it doesn’t matter.

  5. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Give civilians the right to wear full body armor (helmet, plate carrier, and all) and carry around flash or smoke grenades.
    Since we’re speaking on the extreme of constant potential threat from firearms necessitate firearms already why not? It’ll look terrible, look weird, they’ll gonna say US looks like a war zone but so what? Armors would keep you alive better than firearms anyway.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  6. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Bragadocious

    Gun rights expand just as the NRA gets amputated.

    I wonder if that’s a coincidence?

    Evil, or incomptence?

    Either way, it seems Conquest’s third is yet again an iron law.
    Could gun owners fire the NRA? If not, they were the product, not the customer.

  7. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Anon

    Serfs and slaves are so cowardly they’re more afraid of the weapon in their own hand than the weapon in a criminal’s hand. It’s closer, after all. Automatic panic. They’re not responsible in general and aren’t responsible with weapons in particular.

    Of course in America, if one person is this cowardly and irresponsible, you’re supposed to pretend that everyone is that cowardly and irresponsible. All were created equal, after all.

    • Replies: @Hal Womack
  8. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:

    Like any association the NRA is primarily an industry association, making most of its money from manufacturers and selling booths at its conventions. Individual rights are not a priority.

    Wayne LaPierre? Enormous disappointment at best.

    • Replies: @Not you
  9. Nutcase drivers drive into crowds of people all the time but no left-wingers call for car control or a ban on cars so the left’s call for the ban on guns has nothing to do with the left’s concern for the public welfare. The fact is that the left doesn’t want to ban guns at all, they just want to have complete control over who has them. They want their own jackbooted thugs to have a monopoly on guns so that the individual can no longer stand up for his civil rights.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    , @Sollipsist
  10. Avery says:

    {NRA Says Gun Ownership Is a Fundamental Human Right NRA Says Gun Ownership Is a Fundamental Human Right}

    If the Uvalde massacre did not affirm the validity of that statement, nothing else will.

    One trans-guy — mentally unstable — methodically slaughtered 18 little children, and the 20 or so armed to the teeth cops not only did nothing to stop the psychopath child killer, but prevented parents from going in to protect/rescue their children. Some parents were apparently Tased.

    So not only the cops will not protect you*, but they will prevent you from defending your children, your loved ones.

    In riot situations, cops disappear: this happened long time ago also in Los Angeles.
    Korean-Americans who took the brunt of the Black mob violence had to defend themselves and their stores — which they had labored years to make viable — with their own guns. For several days there were ZERO LAPD during rioting.

    Nothing will happen to the 20 or so Uvalde cops who stood around 1 hour while children were being methodically gunned down. There will be speeches, hearing, blah, blah blah,…..but the cops will retire with their full pensions. And the families of the dead children will never be the same.

    [Uvalde Police Active Shooter Training states]

    ______________________________
    * Courts at various levels have repeatedly affirmed that cops have no duty to protect an individual.

  11. meamjojo says:

    Here comes the red meat!
    =======
    John Whitehead’s Commentary
    Mass Shootings: The Vicious Cycle Fueled By America’s Toxic Cult of Violence
    By John W. Whitehead & Nisha Whitehead
    May 25, 2022

    “Mass shootings have become routine in the United States and speak to a society that relies on violence to feed the coffers of the merchants of death. Given the profits made by arms manufacturers, the defense industry, gun dealers and the lobbyists who represent them in Congress, it comes as no surprise that the culture of violence cannot be abstracted from either the culture of business or the corruption of politics.”—Professor Henry A. Giroux

    We are caught in a vicious cycle.

    With alarming regularity, the nation is being subjected to a heartbreaking spate of violence that terrorizes the populace, fractures communities, and gives the government greater justifications to crack down, lock down, and institute even more authoritarian policies for the so-called sake of national security without many objections from the citizenry.
    ….
    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/mass_shootings_the_vicious_cycle_fueled_by_americas_toxic_cult_of_violence

  12. Just read history about which rulers disarmed the population, and arrive at your own conclusions. Carrying weapons should not be a favour accorded by rulers on the people.

  13. meamjojo says:
    @Avery

    “Nothing will happen to the 20 or so Uvalde cops who stood around 1 hour while children were being methodically gunned down. There will be speeches, hearing, blah, blah blah,…..but the cops will retire with their full pensions. And the families of the dead children will never be the same.”

    Did you notice all those TX cops, special agents and politicians standing around with their big white hats? I hear there is a saying in TX that applies:

    “Big hat, no cattle”…

  14. meamjojo says:
    @Anon

    Tanks and 50 caliber guns for everyone!

  15. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    This is what happens when your crooked gun lobbyist is enough of a dick to shoot Dumbo, yet such a trembling pussy that he fucking misses. A giant fucking elephant. He can’t even hit a fucking elephant. To preserve some shreds of honor I’d counsel him to eat that gun but he probably couldn’t find his mouth.

    What LaPierre could say, if he wasn’t a hopeless shithead, is that in the supreme law of the land, with which US law at all levels is obligated to come into conformity, nothing restricts or derogates constitutional gun rights, as stipulated by ICCPR Article 5.2. However, if gun rights are fundamental, that’s an implication of your right of resistance; you don’t have a right of self defense, that’s a right of states.

    So your gun rights are not to shoot jigs from your roof at night in flames, like on that cheesy pamphlet he put out for sniveling timmies like Kersey who are scared of jigs – your gun rights are derived from your recourse to rebellion against a failed state. You have a fundamental human right, and an erga omnes obligation, to mow down those DHS Nazis, CIA torture cowards, FBI Stasi, and other armed bureaucrats who derogate our non-derogable rights, because they are hostis humani generis in law. It’s that or wait for Putin to nuke all CONUS and most of Europe.

    You goobers need to stop fondling those guns and posing for internet photos with them, and learn to assert your self-determination. If you know what you’re doing you’ll go over your government’s head to the world, and make your case, and you better know what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Not you
  16. Not you says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    It doesn’t conform to the narrative, so it will be ignored, discarded, downplayed in significance and/or excuses will be made for not “selling” it (e.g. “It occurred during a holiday weekend and we all need a break from things”, “Couldn’t get anyone on the story” etc., etc., etc.).

    We shall see.

  17. Legba says:

    Wow! With all the FBI, DEA, CBP, ATF, DPS, ICE and the rest with full regalia there, my first thought was they had cornered some guy on a trumped-up gun charge.

  18. Franz says:

    I’ve pretty much concluded that it is the government doing all of these shootings – one way or another.

    Just take that one last step then — The government also infiltrated the NRA.

    I’m expecting the NRA to do something incredibly stupid/illegal in the short term, because that always gets the organization cancelled. Assuming the Gov has them compromised already it should come fairly soon.

  19. Not you says:
    @anon

    Well said. I agree, particularly with your last paragraph.

  20. Avery says:

    Welcome to the dystopian gun-free future America, where every city, large or small, is like New York today. No cops in sight; you — the victim is not allowed to have a gun (an equalizer). You can be victimized at will by a criminal stronger than you, or who is armed.

    Another trans-dude off his meds or something.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18712851/woman-cries-for-help-brutal-attack-nyc-subway/

    Headline “NYC subway riders fail to intervene as woman pleads for help in attack.”
    Question: would you intervene?
    If YES: why?
    If Hell NO: why?

    I wouldn’t intervene, unless the victim was in the process of being killed, choked to death with bare hands, or being repeatedly punched in the head.

    (if he-she was armed with gun/knife, I would stay away: bare hands don’t work too well against knives, unless you are Bruce Lee)

    Reason: in N.Y. I would most likely be arrested for assault and battery, with a “Hate Crime” enhancement.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @Anonymous
  21. @Avery

    Whatever the issue, it always goes back to the fact that the small hats rule over us, and the small hats are anti-white…..

    …..so the solution to every problem is to do harm to white people, make white people vulnerable, make white people weak…..and get white people killed.

    • Replies: @Realist
  22. @Avery

    … the 20 or so armed to the teeth cops not only did nothing to stop the psychopath child killer, but prevented parents from going in to protect/rescue their children. Some parents were apparently Tased.

    So while their children were being slaughtered just a few yards away, not one parent pulled out their Armaments of Retribution to blow these complicit State Enforcers to meet St. Peter. This being Texas, I have to believe firearms were readily available but deliberately not used.

    Sort of undermines the argument that we need to keep our guns to defend ourselves from tyranny, doesn’t it?

    Cops, like every other breathing creature on Planet Earth, are mostly loyal to whomever feeds them. As long as we’re psychologically unwilling to acknowledge that, our guns are useless.

  23. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @meamjojo

    that’s “all hat no cattle” you god damn yankee

    • LOL: Realist
  24. The gun rights in America don’t make much sense, because the only place where a gun can be used without serious repercussions is at ones home, in an event of an invasion – the stand your ground law.

    However on the street in almost any situation, using a gun will lead to an imprisonment and a person will be forced to sleep in a room full of violent criminals, without having a gun, unable to protect himself.

    Therefore, whats the point in having a gun if for the most part the situations when you need it occur on the street? A good steel door and thick window panes will protect you better from a home invasion.

    Aren’t the Negroes kicking your arse on the streets, anyway? Does it help, knowing that you have a Colt at home? Think about it – when your guns have been taken away, you’ll be able to say “what can we do, we don’t have guns anymore.”

    And what can you say now – what your excuse is?

    • Replies: @anon
  25. @meamjojo

    Texans with machismo are long gone. The state is now a bunch of Mexi-trannies and non-binary Califag transplants. Stick a fork in Texas.

  26. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    i wouldnt intervene even then

    the charges would likely be felony assault and if you had anything on you that even resembles a weapon like a tactical pen they will bump it up to aggravated

    also in NYC there lots of jew prosecutors looking to make a mark so they might throw on a hate crime charge – probably later if they cant get a conviction or a good plea deal on the assault

    even if they drop all the charges your life is still going to be ruined and the funny thing is that is the best outcome you could hope for because in the aftermath she will be more than ungrateful – she will actively participate in your destruction

    besides karen marched for this
    she voted for it
    she supported the war on men
    she railed against “toxic” masculinity
    karen dont need no man

    so karen’s cries for help ring a bit hollow now
    she should get used to the world she made and enjoy her cultural enrichment

    • Agree: Avery, nokangaroos
  27. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “The gun rights in America don’t make much sense, because the only place where a gun can be used without serious repercussions is at ones home, in an event of an invasion – the stand your ground law.”

    im assuming youre not an american and are unaware of us law

    most gun control laws are state and local and there are many places where they dont make sense mostly in large cities and states with predominantly urban populations where ironically – or not – there is the most gun violence but this is not always the case if you look at geography and america as a whole you will find this is the exception not the rule

    furthermore if you think that the use of your gun at home in one of those jurisdictions wont bring about serious repercussions your are mistaken – hell just before i left the blue hell hole that is NYC we had a guy charged with homicide for beating an armed bugler to death with his fists in his own home

    “However on the street in almost any situation, using a gun will lead to an imprisonment and a person will be forced to sleep in a room full of violent criminals, without having a gun, unable to protect himself.”

    again this depends entirely on the state and city in which you live

    the news hates reporting on armed citizens stopping crimes so i cant blame you for thinking that it never happens

    in most jurisdictions you wont be charged if you acted in self defense – and in some they cannot charge you but it is always a roll of the dice

    everyday many people use force – sometimes deadly – to stop an attack and unless the video goes viral or they are in a screwed up municipality they are not prosecuted for it

    “Therefore, whats the point in having a gun if for the most part the situations when you need it occur on the street? A good steel door and thick window panes will protect you better from a home invasion.”

    Thats a good one lol – see above
    my old neighborhood had bars on all the 1st and 2nd story windows and it didn’t stop anybody

    “Aren’t the Negroes kicking your arse on the streets, anyway? Does it help, knowing that you have a Colt at home? Think about it – when your guns have been taken away, you’ll be able to say “what can we do, we don’t have guns anymore.””

    I was forced to go to london last month for a week and went a couple days without seeing a single white person and most of them might not have guns but they were plenty good at stabbing each other

    i recommend a glock as it is generally standard police issue in most places and it is reliable and inconspicuous
    the last thing you want to do is have to answer for some big dumb shiny revolver with something like “punisher” engraved on it

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  28. Mac_ says:

    – bit of response on comment four, where some things may seem as if supposed gun rights are stronger, many states have made further incursions such as in ‘washington ‘state’ no business can transact used or new guns without ‘background’ check -same with private sales. If you think that’s ok because people could get around it by undisclosed private exchange, how exactly do you find others – note, a missed thing in all this time people didn’t bother to notice situation of ‘craigslist’, functionally a monopoly. The paper classified conveniently gone. At some point we won’t communicate anything on web or phones if cabalist types don’t want it. Its a not realistic to depend on web or phones, or monopoly such as ‘googul’ or other such as utilities, water, electric which people continued sitting as the mono choke has gone on. The failure to stop monopoly is not tenable. Have to stop depending on assuming, or big front groups, the nra going away as example.

    Back to more core of point the article title or nra claim though maybe well intent is off side of nature law, which is we don’t have right to anything we don’t make effort on. Using guns to enforce gun right may be example, but if it’s you against a gang or police, or they have drones and we don’t, that changes the right, as example. That’s why they want us alone, while they have gangs or police and monopoly. Important to make own small groups, and whatever else, sharing info focus where we live is what matters.

    Kudos note on Anglin’s title on other piece, ‘answer the question, and why only in america’, sometimes a question is sufficient, if consider we’re living in con world. Also on pirate graphic at end this article, people need to ‘see’ differently, and, I still say if we all dressed like pirates, men women children, everyone, things could change overnight. It’s just boots pants shirt hat, nothing costume about it because it’s real clothes, just basic and could help focus on what matters and strength. Arrg indeed, the other way.

  29. anarchyst says:
    @meamjojo

    Why not??
    Actually the possession of machine guns, grenade launchers, grenades and other large ordnance is perfectly legal here in the USA.
    One must submit fingerprints, photos and an application along with a check for \$200 to pay the federal “tax” to receive permission to obtain and possess such items. It takes approximately three to nine months for the feds to process the “application”.
    Those with “special occupational taxpayer” licenses (Class III) can freely transfer such items among themselves without payment of the \$200 “transfer tax”.
    You see, applying a “tax” of \$200 was a “workaround” to avoid Constitutional scrutiny as a direct prohibition on such items would be a violation of the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
    When this system was enacted in 1934, \$200 was a lot of money and as such, was able to discourage most people from procuring such items. Nowadays \$200 is a pittance and has resulted in more people applying for federal government “permission” to obtain and possess such items.
    Look up the “National Firearms Act” of 1934…

  30. raga10 says:

    Funnily enough carrying guns was not allowed at NRA convention…

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  31. @anon

    What I know is that “the stand your ground law” will usually protect you from being charged. Using a gun and beating a man to death is not the same – the latter might have been an excess, whereas if he dies of a gun wound it’s out of your control.

    And yes you wont be charged if you acted in self defense – but you will have to prove it in court and until then you will be put in prison unless you have a lot of money to submit a bail, and even that may be denied.

    Bars on the windows are not the same as forced entry protected doors and window shutters.

    What my opinion is – it’s not enough to have a gun, you also need more sensible laws allowing you to use it without risking your life and health in prison. Presumption of innocence doesn’t work in the US.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @meamjojo

    Your awful attempt at sarcasm falls flat on its face, especially when it’s the truth. It’s called the right to bear arms, not small arms, moron. People can own cannons and bombs, no problem.

  33. JR Foley says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    The NRA began November 17, 1871 —-95 years after 1776 and USA’s big birthday and that Second Amendment–back in 1776 musket power did not hold much punch—-that right to “bare” arms should now be covered because anarchy is arriving…… and some political leaders warrant lead to the head or a hard kick to their “bare” derriere. I have never seen such a stupid excuse for a nation’s conscience —under Christianity molded with Jewish culture. Is John Hagee over Covid yet?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  34. His remarks indicate that Tuesday’s massacre has done nothing to shift the group’s long-standing opposition to any gun restrictions, including expanded background checks and a ban on assault-style weapons.

    Expanded” background checks. There’s already background checks, some of which are pretty draconian depending on where you live or if you just happen to get singled out. What they want is to be able to have the Secret Police and (illegal) domestic spook organizations scour your social media activity and bank accounts so they can turn over anything damaging to Chuck Schumer, Jerry Nadler, Jamie Raskin or any number of the hideous Js who run this place so they can in turn leak it to the media or any professional organizations you might be member off and ruin your life and/or imprison you.

    “Assault style ” Machine guns are already illegal (basically). They want everything more complicated than a musket banned because they are evil, totalitarian Bolsheviks.

    • Agree: Emslander
  35. @Bragadocious

    witness the expansion of permitless carry in the last 12 years (19 states codified it)

    25 our of our 50 states have “codified” it. In 22 “Constitutional Carry” is effective, two more will join next month or in July, the last 1/1/23. And 42-3 have “Shall Issue” and/or better like Constitutional Carry, that was ~72% of the population before the COVID and BLM exodus from big Blue cities.

    Florida still does not have Constitutional Carry in part because of the NRA’s cat lady who I gather has generally been a drag on the state’s progress since she was instrumental in starting the nationwide wave of Shall Issue in 1987, only Washington state was that in 1964 or so, and Vermont never did restrictions.

    I don’t think our ruling trash is happy with this signal loss in their cultural war on us….

  36. @Franz

    Just take that one last step then — The government also infiltrated the NRA.

    Well that’s an interesting concept.

    We’ve been been assuming its decades long institutional and personal corruption (long tale it’s too late for me to go into detail before bed now), and that the only two problems with the NY state AG’s legal actions (vs. rhetoric) was that she moved for dissolution which is not a legit remedy for the harmed membership, and that she hasn’t arrested as many as one hundred people, starting with Wayne LaPierre and his Winning Team, past and present, and all of the 76 board members and some past ones. Yes, they really belong in prison.

    So is LaPierre a deep, deep mole planted in 1977? Was he turned, but is implausibly good at fooling people coming from his claimed to be not good with people policy wonk background? Greed, ego, and maybe licentiousness are sufficient explanations.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @orchardist
  37. @raga10

    Funnily enough carrying guns was not allowed at NRA convention…

    Their excuse in times past was the venue doesn’t allow it, but since they pick it that cuts no mustard so as of late this has been allowed, including at this convention.

    You might be confusing this with the rules for attending a speech with someone with Secret Service protection like ex-President Trump, no guns are allowed within the secure perimeter.

    • Replies: @raga10
  38. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Joe Paluka

    The irony being the individual will not stand up for his rights whether he has a gun or not. Unless he’s Amish, of course. They are pacifists, but manage to defend their rights just fine.

    I hear Orthodox Jews do it too. kek

    The Regime is trying to take guns away solely to prove that they can. They’re hoping to make babby cry by wrenching the toy out of its hands.

  39. meamjojo says:

    The 2nd Amendment was created 240 odd years ago because the U.S. had no standing army. Nowadays we have DOD, Homeland Security, FBI, etc. There is no modern need for the 2nd Amendment any longer and it should be repealed.

    • LOL: Patrick in SC
    • Replies: @Kim
    , @Realist
  40. @Carlton Meyer

    Probably staged with ‘crisis averted’ actors. A new NRA tactic.We’ll know if a similar case is genuine if the ‘heroine’ is shot while bravely leaping into the breach.

  41. @JR Foley

    I thought that the Septics’ love of the instruments of murder was supposed to be ‘..well-regulated’ and in ‘militias’, not lone wannabe killers.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  42. Franz says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    So is LaPierre a deep, deep mole planted in 1977?

    I mean it less that way, more like, who founded the NRA to begin with? A known military intelligence asset, Charlton Heston*, was spokesman of same for many years. Heston was ALSO active in Civil Rights, speaking at the big rally in DC when Kennedy was in office. He played both sides as needed.

    * Heston was a late-bloomer for intelligence: He was a regular enlisted man, but after he got out and got famous he went back in with a high clearance, need to know, and all that. He had an interesting life, I bet. His High-Clearance intelligence years coincide with his NRA years.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  43. Kim says:
    @meamjojo

    Ban fertilizers.

    Consider that I could rent an office in a city center, fill it with fertilizer and blow it sky high, taking out who knows how many.

    Yet I am still permitted to buy fertilizer.

    As for tanks, if I drove it around, wouldn’t I get ticketed for tearing up the public asphalt?

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  44. Kim says:
    @meamjojo

    The existence of those groups makes 2A more necessary than ever.

    • Agree: Not you
    • Replies: @meamjojo
  45. Realist says:
    @Avery

    So not only the cops will not protect you*, but they will prevent you from defending your children, your loved ones.

    This is, sadly, not uncommon.

  46. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Whatever the issue, it always goes back to the fact that the small hats rule over us, and the small hats are anti-white…..

    …..so the solution to every problem is to do harm to white people, make white people vulnerable, make white people weak…..and get white people killed.

    Yet you do nothing about it.

    Pissing and moaning don’t count.

  47. Realist says:
    @meamjojo

    The 2nd Amendment was created 240 odd years ago because the U.S. had no standing army. Nowadays we have DOD, Homeland Security, FBI, etc. There is no modern need for the 2nd Amendment any longer and it should be repealed.

    The above statement shows you are a troll…no one can be the goddamn stupid.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @meamjojo
  48. Emslander says:
    @Bragadocious

    I’m not a gun owner. I don’t know what the hell difference it would make if I were. It seems to me that my neighbors’ guns keep our neighborhood safe and I’m very much in favor of them having guns. The NRA has almost become irrelevant.

    America is now alert to the motives of the gun haters in government and media. Their feverish insistence upon the disarmament of the citizenry only hardens the average person’s distrust of gun control advocates. The NRA heroically carried the ball for a long time, but now we all have a very clear understanding of the need for strong Second Amendment protections.

  49. @That Would Be Telling

    Logic suggests that the NRA was compromised before it began.

    It could not have been allowed to exist otherwise.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  50. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read… be that goddamn stupid.

  51. “Gun ownership is literally a human right”? Sometimes even cranks need to take a few days’ rest.

  52. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    Everybody should just shut the fuck up with the constitutional logic chopping. Ramos is obviously a well-regulated militia, trained and backed up by his paramilitary FBI death squad. So the 2nd amendment applies.

  53. @Franz

    I mean it less that way, more like, who founded the NRA to begin with?

    Union officers appalled by the marksmanship of their side in the Civil War. In 1871….

    A known military intelligence asset, Charlton Heston*, was spokesman of same for many years.

    Problem is he was essentially only that, part of a scheme by Wayne LaPierre to not just stay in power but solidify it. Heston had some influence on LaPierre, for example in lifestyle aspirations, but Ackerman McQueen was a much, much bigger factor. Heston was also following a script immediately after a radio appearance in which he denounced “assault weapons” (semi-auto AK-47s specifically as I recall). Very few remember as a cowboy actor he campaigned for the Gun Control Act of 1968, or noticed he always hoisted a flintlock rifle instead of anything modern when pontificating about the RKBA at a convention or whatever.

    A credible story I’ve read is that when LaPierre became executive vice president, the position that actually runs the org, he was a policy wonk and not a people person, was completely out of his depth (he replaced a sexual harasser who was costing the org too many lawsuit settlements).

    So he leaned on Ack-Mac for what to do, and they were for example happy to tell him to spend lots of money on the mail solicitations they did, and eventually TV. On the other hand they do support the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA) and did so with some effectiveness, unlike the crooked lawyer who just so happens to be the son-in-law of the late CEO Angus McQueen. Bill Brewer has replaced Ack-Mac’s ecological niche, and per one claimed quote from LaPierre “is the only guy who can keep me out of jail” which is where both belong.

  54. @orchardist

    Logic suggests that the NRA was compromised before it began.

    It could not have been allowed to exist otherwise.

    That’s a completely ahistorical viewpoint. It was begun in 1871 by Union officers appalled by the marksmanship of their side, and back then an effective military that could shoot straight was completely non-controversial. Gun control was also completely in the background, entirely focused on keeping blacks in their place.

    That did change not all that long after as Eastern and Southern European immigrants from outside the Hajnal line really started adding to the mess made by the Irish. And that was necessary for example for the Jews to gain control of the country, there just weren’t that many here when the NRA was founded, especially from the much more revolutionary cohort from Eastern Europe including Imperial Russia.

  55. @Alrenous

    Should the resurrected spirit of Nat Turner pay a little call on the nameless “Alrenous”, if such a shrinking creature can indeed be found? Speaking of which, should we also designate (as has been proposed) August 21st as annual “Bill of Rights Day”, choosing that date in honor of the Southampton (Virginia) Insurrection?

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  56. @Tono Bungay

    Self-defense is literally a human right, and thus effective self-defense with guns.

    I don’t think it’s people pointing this out who “need to take a few days’ rest.”

  57. @meamjojo

    .50 cal is pussy shit, you stupid bitch.
    Cry when rednecks are towing howitzers in the backwoods.

    Everything an infantryman can wear and ride in MUST be made legal for purchase.
    Of course, there will be a discussion on the safety of storing large amounts of high explosive and actual offensive weapons like artilleries, but again, anything an infantryman/spec-op/pig can wear must be available for purchase by legal citizens.

    If I can’t trust my neighbors with guns, then where I live is a third-world shithole, period. Less than third-world, actually, since in the third-world people own guns anyway and refrain from snitching on their neighbors. In that sense the (((west))) is the actual shithole here.

  58. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Hal Womack

    The lower classes are criminal, slave, and peasant. I don’t see much point separating out a serf subclass, though maybe I could be persuaded otherwise.

    Notably, during population growth, the lower classes expand rapidly, while the upper classes don’t. The upper classes breed as little as they always do, and nearly always survive as they always do. Population growth comes from releasing mortality in the lower classes. The normally excess fertility, there to deal with disease-attrition and to roll the genetic dice, becomes population growth.

    As a result, we can expect insecurity and defensiveness about said insecurity to expand. The lower orders are generally aware of their own inability to be responsible, after all.

    It’s still mainly cultural, though. The Amish aren’t exactly slouches when it comes to population growth. They are pacifists. If they have guns, they wouldn’t dream of using them on another son of Adam. Yet, unlike America at large, they consistently manage to defend their rights and freedoms. As a result they earn a life-satisfaction on par with American billionaires.

    I find it plausible that the Amish lobby is about as powerful as a billionaire’s bespoke lobbying company. Except of course they don’t, strictly speaking, have a lobby…

    • Replies: @Hal Womack
  59. @Kim

    There are restrictions on buying fertiliser too. Anders Breivik started his own farming business in order to have access to large quantities of the stuff.

  60. @Alrenous

    The nameless “Alrenous” here looks to be wandering around in the woods, punching the wrong buttons and following some sort of socio-illogical fog perhaps emanating from his (?) own ears.

    Does the issue raised by thread originator ANDREW ANGLIN deserve coherent comment?
    Mr. Anglin’s opening sentence was: “The NRA was the only thing standing between you and these Jewish gun-grabbers, and the NRA has been totally neutered.”

    A related snippet:

    https://tinyurl.com/3w5cmrpr
    tx.politics
    Nutso Targetting Project X

    Almost needless to say, the CIA-Mossad team collaborating on NTPX were extremely pleased with the conclusive operation of their specimen Salvador Ramos in Uvalde. The timing and the distancing from the NRA convention in Houston was perfect. Over the next four years the case officers expect increased funding for their program.

    OTOH one of our blistlethrowers within the Creep State confirms that David Barnea also quickly used Jessica Schumer to pass on to section leader Orly Friedman a warning against allowing the development of too many targets to jeopardize NTPX’s public invisibility. FWIW KinkHenKi is felt to be behind the note of caution.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  61. Not you says:
    @Anonymous

    ” Individual rights”

    What a novel concept.

  62. TG says:

    It’s not gun ownership per se that is a fundamental right, but being able to defend yourself.

    Funny how we have all these mass shootings in wonderful gun controlled Mexico – the official per capital homicide rate is five times that of the United States – and there is no outrage, no call to action, no barrage of media coverage about the extremely high levels of “gun violence” in Mexico.

    “That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

    ― George Orwell

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  63. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    the us has a wide variety of jurisdictions and accompanying case law and while you might have an opinion about them it isnt relevant

    the bottom line is that what happens to you in the us if you use force to defend yourself is entirely depended on the jurisdiction in which it happens and the prosecutors therein and it could be anywhere from nothing to life imprisonment

    also if you knew how most people get jacked here you wouldnt bother including some corny video of some muscle dummy beating on a door

  64. raga10 says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    You might be confusing this with the rules for attending a speech with someone with Secret Service protection

    That’s just the thing: NRA’s answer is that no weapons rule was the requirement of Secret Service but the truth is that even if no individuals under protection were present, the center they picked up as a venue does not allow weapons. While the rules of the convention center might be not be decided by NRA, their choice of venues certainly is. Fact remains they chose to hold their convention somewhere where weapons are not allowed and if that’s not hypocritical then I don’t know what is.

  65. raga10 says:

    … hmm. I can’t actually find evidence to show that particular convention center does not allow weapons. Maybe I was wrong about that one.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  66. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Hal Womack

    It should be possible to be Amish without having to go full Amish.

    It’s clear it’s important to reject the newspaper and TV, though. At the very least it stops you goring the cape instead of the matador. “Just turn the cape off bro.”

    Well, anyway, it worked for me. Obviously I still use the internet, but I enjoy an Amish level of freedom. Maybe I have special biological privileges though.

    Can sub-Amish discipline work for folk without special biological privileges?

    Actually, come to think, I don’t use sub-Amish privileges. I’m even stricter. Eschewing the internet entirely is easy mode. Using the internet safely requires going above and beyond. The internet is a giant CIA op after all. Like everything made by and for Californians, it manically encourages insanity and discourages sanity.

    Of course Americans could have proven me right (or wrong) a long time ago. Is “learning from the Amish” rocket surgery? Did I just drop a supergenius’ing in the Unz comment section?
    Otherwise it’s clear Americans have no interest in goring the matador instead of the cape. It really is best to model Americans as oppression-positive. They’re peasants like they really mean it; the only thing that gets them mad is a system with no inherent violence.

  67. @raga10

    … hmm. I can’t actually find evidence to show that particular convention center does not allow weapons. Maybe I was wrong about that one.

    Thanks for having the all too uncommon courage to admit you were wrong. I think it’s been some time since they’ve chosen a convention center with a no guns policy, and it’s always comes up in this context of Trump attending due to the media saying the requirements for that one event applied to the whole convention.

  68. meamjojo says:
    @Realist

    I’m not here to give you a lesson in history boy. Get real Realist. Go study WHY the 2A was created in the first place.

    • Replies: @Ummm
  69. meamjojo says:
    @Kim

    Puh-leeze. Remember Waco? Your collection of weapons, no matter how large, would be of no match for any government backed military or police force that might want to take them from you.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  70. meamjojo says:
    @TG

    We really do need some extra expressions to use on comments! This one deserves a big HUH? (what does Mexico have to do with the USA?) instead of me having to waste a reply.

    P.S. Ron – Why do I get email replies from people on my ignore list? That should not happen!

  71. @mulga mumblebrain

    The late great Col. Muammar al-Khaddafi taught us that three things
    must not be monopolized, by the state or otherwise:

    1) Food = land
    2) Shelter = housing
    3) Guns = speech

    If any of these is taken from We the People it doesn´t matter what you call it
    (Anarchyst would no doubt add cars but the Framers managed without too).

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  72. bert33 says:

    Gun laws are a joke because the prison system is a joke because the politicians running the show these days are a joke etc. Criminals by definition don’t follow laws and if you want to stop school shootings then juvenile enforcement/corrections needs to have some teeth, and parents need go-to information resources so they know what’s up. But as long as you have incompetents, enablers, idiots and democrats running the show…but, I repeat myself.

  73. @meamjojo

    Remember Waco? Your collection of weapons, no matter how large, would be of no match for any government backed military or police force that might want to take them from you.

    But also remember how the ATF took casualties in the attempt, although it’s very possible all were own goals, I’m sure at least two were. And the ATF failed. You think the government can use its openly run death squad in overwhelming force including engineering combar vehicles (converted tanks) against every gun owner in the nation? Can you do math? Ever heard of the concept of attrition?

    And that’s a completely idiotic take on the concept; to quote Jerry Pournelle, “I don’t plan on making a point defense against the government.” If the government starts widespread confiscation of guns it’ll just trigger Civil War 2.0 and we won’t wait to be defeated in detail.

  74. @Tono Bungay

    The bill of rights says nothing about owning guns, only keeping and bearing them.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  75. meamjojo says:
    @Fyguguhftdt

    “The bill of rights says nothing about owning guns, only keeping and bearing them.”

    IF you are a member of a militia group available to defend the budding United States against foreign enemies, something that isn’t needed in the modern days.

  76. Ummm says:
    @meamjojo

    >why
    The 2a is basically “the state and its citizens should have equal military power”.

    If you think citizens need no firearms, that’s cool, disarm the state too.

    Frankly, the current armament status of the US military/ police/whatever is a violation of the 2A.

    Do you think Pol Pot would have been very successful if every Cambodian household had an AK-47?

    That’s the point. If you want to disarm citizens, your default position is “state tyranny is OK”.

    > against foreign enemies, something that isn’t needed in the modern days.
    You’re misinterpreting, but, “foreign” would include “if the government is over-run by anti-citizen sentiment”.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  77. @nokangaroos

    It’s really ‘Me the People’, ain’t it.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  78. @Tono Bungay

    Murder is the supreme human right, if you have the heart of a killer. Killing is the antidote to Death. ‘I am become Death the Destroyer of Worlds’. Or just of you, otherling.

  79. meamjojo says:
    @Ummm

    The 2a is basically “the state and its citizens should have equal military power”.

    Nope. 2A was necessary way back in the late 1700’s because the then young U.S. did not have an official standing army to defend the country as necessary. People were expected to keep guns in their home and be ready to be called up as needed. Plain & simple.

    There are many conservatives who believe that the Constitution should be interpreted as originally written.

    In the context of United States law, originalism is a concept regarding the interpretation of the Constitution that asserts that all statements in the constitution must be interpreted based on the original understanding “at the time it was adopted”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalism

    Personally, I think the Constitution should be dumped and rewritten. I do not accept that the people who penned the Constitution originally were future seers to the extent that they would believe a document they wrote would still be in effect 250 years later. They would likely think that insane. I certainly do.

    BTW: Dumping and rewriting does not mean that parts couldn’t be kept and reused or rewritten to better match the realities of today’s world.

    • Replies: @Not you
  80. @mulga mumblebrain

    “Die Menschen sind sclecht, sie denken an sich
    nur ich denk an mich.”
    – Joh. Nestroy

    Nonono … I´m rather Kantian about it; everybody should have at least a rifle –
    of course some people´s self-actualization is going to suffer
    (joggers, axe murderers and the like).
    For the US, this means enforce the Militia Act of 1903 (you no doubt will prefer
    to call it “Dick Act”).

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903

    Ad #80 no, murder is not a human right – suicide is; indeed it is the only
    one that really cannot be taken from you (but they are working on it).

  81. Not you says:
    @meamjojo

    Bullshit. Enough of your grade-school assertions. Many of the framers and founding fathers were well-educated and had surveyed nearly 5,000 years of human history and understood that human nature doesn’t change and knew that certain safeguards were necessary against such nature and therefore unnecessary to see into the future.

    I sat here and read this bantering and knew Ummm was wasting his time on an obscurantist and that’s all you are, someone who doesn’t want to be confused by the facts. Move on, please.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  82. @Franz

    Remember that the NRA was formed by the GAR and has endorsed or even written every major gun control law ever passed by Congress, starting with the 1934 abomination. The NRA is a gun control organization.

  83. meamjojo says:
    @Not you

    “Many of the framers and founding fathers were well-educated ”

    Clearly unlike yourself. Did you make it out of grade school? You contribute nothing to the discussion with such uninformed ranting.

  84. @Joe Paluka

    They’re going after cars too, but they’re at least smart enough to realize people would object strongly to any blatant ban, even without any constitutional protection. So they’re nibbling away little by little.

    Setting precedent with more or less reasonable requirements (seat belts, emissions regulations, DUI laws etc) were the first steps. Now some cities prohibit cars in certain areas, and at least NY and California are on track to ban non- electric cars.

    The fun part is that soon pretty much everybody will have a car that can be remotely disabled or controlled. So even without an outright ban, they’ll have control. Not much of a market for ‘connected guns’ though. Nobody is interested in putting Bluetooth or an entertainment center on their AR-15…

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