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Previously: I Don’t Understand What Tucker Doesn’t Understand About the UFO Hoax…?

The government is covering up UFOs, but government officials can’t open their mouths without babbling about UFOs, unprompted.

This NASA guy looks really serious and honest.

Yeah, okay.

Sure.

Okay yeah sure.

Washington Examiner:

The leader of NASA hinted at the possibility that some UFOs might be extraterrestrial life forms or beings from an alternate universe this week.

Bill Nelson, who has served as President Joe Biden’s NASA administrator since May, said Tuesday he didn’t know for sure what some of the unidentified aerial phenomena seen by Navy pilots are. He said, however, that “we hope it’s not an adversary here on Earth that has that kind of technology,” bringing up the topic of the search for alien life and the mystery of UFOs unprompted after a back-and-forth about what would happen if a massive asteroid hit the Earth.

Before we leave, I haven’t even talked about the search for extraterrestrial life. What do you think we’re doing on Mars? We’re looking for life. This is a part of NASA’s mission. That’s what this telescope is gonna be looking for. Are there other planets elsewhere that there is life?” Nelson said near the end of a wide-ranging hourlong discussion with Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics. “I know what you’ve seen is what those Navy pilots saw in 2004, and there have been some 300 sightings since then.”

Nelson said that “I’ve talked to those pilots, and they know they saw something, and their radars locked onto it, and then all of a sudden it was here,” as he looked down, “on the surface and then it’s there,” as he pointed up.

“And they don’t know what it is, and we don’t know what it is. We hope it’s not an adversary here on Earth that has that kind of technology. But it’s something. And so, this is a mission that we’re constantly looking — what, who is out there? Who are we? How did we get here? How did we become as we are? How did we develop? How did we civilize? And are those same conditions out there in a universe that has billions of other suns in billions of other galaxies — it’s so large I can’t conceive it,” he continued.

Here’s the clip.

Here’s the full interview.

This guy is really weird.

There is zero chance that we are being visited by aliens.

This is an entire huge hoax by the government.

I’d say there is at least a 1 in 5 chance than in the next couple of years, the government is going to start shilling fake aliens at the population, just like they shilled this fake virus at us.

Related: They’re Going to Shill Fake Aliens on You

I wish other people would start responding to this wave of alien hysteria the government and media are pushing on us by pointing out the fact that all of these videos come from the government.

It is such an obvious hoax.

But I guess most right-wingers either believe in aliens or think it is silly to talk about the issue at all. Well, it is silly to talk about it – but I’m not the one talking about it. Every time you turn around, there is someone from the government shilling UFO nonsense.

Go look on Twitter to see who’s responding to this.

Who’s that?

Oh, hey – interesting, huh?

(Republished from The Daily Stormer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. raga10 says:

    So, we used to complain and spin conspiracy theories because officials denied existence of any unexplained phenomena. Now we complain and spin conspiracy theories because officials admit existence of unexplained phenomena.

    It seems to me we just want to complain and spin conspiracy theories…

    • Agree: animalogic, Eric Novak
    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @El Dato
  2. Call them what you will, UFO, UAP, ET, Aliens, Greys, Reptilians. If they’re intelligent, they most likely think humans are a deadly virus that needs to be studied and contained before they spread throughout the galaxy. If the same vital dust that made us also seeded parts of the universe, they’ll need to quarantine and isolate millions or billions of star systems in order to stop the virus that created the human species.
    Btw, with over a billion HD cameras in the hands of earthlings, where’s the HD pics?

  3. Biff says:

    Pretty simple really, just look at the timing – when it’s time to vote on a war budget for the space force there are aliens in the news everywhere.

    • Replies: @JackBL8
  4. Dumbo says:

    There are no aliens. It’s stupid. There are certainly no aliens going around Earth in flying saucers without revealing their identity, and kidnapping people and doing anal probes on them.

    If there are any aliens on Earth, they are the Jews. Now that I could perhaps believe… Space Jews as in Chapelle’s joke.

    • Agree: Smashed Squash
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @CelestiaQuesta
  5. Mr. Anon says:

    This guy is really weird.*

    There is zero chance that we are being visited by aliens.

    This is an entire huge hoax by the government.

    As President Joseph Biden (aka “Joey Cones”) would say: Bingo!

    The (fake) alien invasion is the NWO’s trump card for imposing World Government.

    Plan A was “Climate Change”. (It didn’t work)

    Plan B is COVID. (It might work)

    However, if that doesn’t work, Plan C is the “Climate Emergency” (i.e. “Climate Change, rebranded – already in the works)

    And if that fails, then………………Plan D…………… The Alien Invasion.

    *BTW: Bill Nelson is a total tool – a former Senator and a Democratic Party Stooge – completely on board with the “Get vaxxed or get fired” mandate. He’s already been portrayed in the movies:

  6. Zorost says:

    There are 2 different arguments.
    1. What is the truth behind UFO sightings?
    2. How is the Gov going to use UFO sightings?

    #1 is a snipe hunt. #2 is much more down to earth (literally and figuratively.) My prediction is that at some point it will be announced that aliens have landed and the planet must unite because of it. Perhaps to fight them off, perhaps to meet requirements to be given super technology. I’m betting Tucker Carlson will be used to sell the scam to those on the Right, whether he wants to or not.

    This is likely a contingency plan if the covid scam doesn’t work, so it won’t be initiated for some time. When it does, expect 100% realistic deep-fake videos. Perhaps the glitches in Biden’s deep-fake videos is so they can say, “but if we had technology that good, there wouldn’t have been any glitches with Biden!”

  7. Anon[775] • Disclaimer says:

    This is one of the stupider Anglin articles.

    There is a lot of evidence for aircraft with technological abilities far beyond our imagination, including soundlessness, acceleration rates that should be impossible, and the ability to change trajectory by a 90 degree angle with constant velocity.

    These are things that should be impossible and yet people have been seeing them. They are real. And a good explanation for them is that they come from a different world. They do exist, and it’s unlikely we made them, and so they must have been produced by someone other than us. It’s really that simple.

    The public has been witnessing these things for decades. Reports come in every day, and while the majority of those reports are of misidentified planets and commercial aircaft, a notable share of them reliably describe UFOs of various exotic shapes and sizes that are able to move in ways that human-designed aircraft cannot.

    This isn’t a government conspiracy you’re going against here. You’re going against the eyewtiness testimony of tens of thousands of people going back decades who saw and reported these extraordinary vehicles, at great risk to their own reputations. These people know that these objects are real, and most kf them usually indicate an intuitive belief that they are not of our design.

    • Agree: Si1ver1ock
    • Disagree: Kratoklastes, anaccount
  8. Franz says:

    NASA Leader Says UFOs Are Probably Aliens

    They would say that, wouldn’t they?

    Over 25 years ago Bill Clinton, then prez, told everyone that the UFOs over Area 51 were Stealth aircraft that were secret up till he told them that.

    NOW, they got better stuff. Lots better, because they ain’t stealing trillions of dollars in our money to do nothing. What are they up to now? They’ll never tell but if it suits them to tell us it’s “aliens” come to visit us, that’s what they’ll tell us.

    When the saucers land you’ll have the satisfaction of knowing it’s all a fraud. Trouble is by then we’ll all be so broke it won’t matter.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  9. @raga10

    Some people were quite taken with the idea of Alien “anal probing”, some poor “joe-six-pack” guy in rural US, although I can’t imagine why….
    Perhaps there’s a metaphor there somewhere?

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  10. Although many decry the rise of iPhones as being another big source of widespread, easy government spying and possibly worse, our kids relentlessly being pushed into a well-planned deep narcissism and cultural nihilism, I frankly love the fact that since these iPhones with their built-in digital cameras have become common, we have not had to endure any more idiotically ridiculous claims of ‘alien abductions’ or “Bigfoot” or ‘Nessie” or similar ‘sightings’ by publicity-hungry morons and those equally moronic enough to believe any of that garbage.

    For that reason alone, I find the iPhone craze a partially welcome phenomena.

    That the government via its various minions is now apparently trying to raise the general public’s ‘UFO awareness’ in light of the thorough debunking the iPhone craze gave to alien abductions and Bigfoot/Nessie/etc., I can only conclude there is a most nefarious purpose afoot, as is usual with any quick, total turnabouts by government mouthpieces usually not known for their candor or reliability on important public issues…….

    • Agree: anyone with a brain
    • Replies: @Anon
  11. This is low hanging fruit if you want to discredit the government.

  12. Andreas says:

    The behavioral scientists and propagandists who work for the intel agencies know exactly what they are doing.

    The population in general is now hopelessly uneducated and epistemologically challenged. That is the majority of people, especially the younger generation, are no longer capable of distinguishing fact from fiction.

    Within this epistemological void and along with the older generation of UFO true believers, they will be easy prey for such an alien hoax or psyop. The hoax will be digitally orchestrated through social media. All that is needed is for a critical mass of fools to nod their heads in belief at the same time for the trap to be sprung.

    What we are witnessing now with the navy UFOs and this NASA shill is what I call the manufacture of plausibility. Public perception is being manipulated to become more open to the existence of aliens by exposing them to pilot witnesses and statements by officials with impeccable credentials who guilelessly imply their belief in UFOs or aliens. And this is done within the context of no reasoned counter view or push back by the government. It should be noted that up until recently these are the same people who would have lost their jobs or been openly ridiculed for suggesting that UFOs or aliens exist.

    Once sufficient plausibility has been manufactured, all the government has to do is assert the existence of aliens and it will spread like wildfire though social media and a new fake reality will be born.

    It only remains to be seen when and for what exact purpose the alien hoax will be rolled out in earnest.

    Promoting a new One World Religion where holy decrees come from these “aliens” is one likely scenario. Of course, there will be an unassailable exception for Judaism. Non-believers in this new religion will be ostracized or otherwise severely punished. It is all entirely consistent with the hellish specter of authoritarian globalism.

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
  13. I could be wrong, but I’m sure the “aliens” are super-impressed with Christopher K Mellon’s credentials and resume. That said space aliens would love nothing more than to make Mellon and his 1% gang even more wealthy and powerful.

    It sucks to be on this backward planet in this rundown neighborhood. The aliens and gods that visit us must themselves be exiles from the nicer parts of creation.

    Perhaps the UFO Aliens will help Sudan’s generals kick Globo-Homo out of their country? Naw. The Aliens likely invented Globo-Homo.

  14. If you have read about the subject of UFO’s, they have been mentioned all throughout recorded history, with an enormous increase in sightings after 1947. The numbers of sightings go up and down with the years, but they never stop or go to zero. I’m sure that the various governments in the world look at the enormous propaganda value that the whole UFO subject has if used in the proper way. One example is to deflect public curiosity away from actual high tech aircraft testing as it has been in the Nevada Test Site. The greatest and worst use of this propaganda would be to create mass panic by saying that we are being invaded and that we need to put all our trust in a world government to protect ourselves from the “Aliens”. The internationalists decided not to go this route and instead chose to create mass panic over “the disease” and it seems to be achieving the same results. As for there being creatures visiting us from outer space, I leave my mind open to the possibility but have only heard second and third person accounts of encounters.

  15. Unit472 says:

    Bill Nelson is a lot like Joe Biden. He’s 79 had an undistinguished career as a Florida Congressman and Senator until Rick Scott put him out to pasture. He’s managed to preserve more of his hair and has better teeth than Biden and he doesn’t parade around wearing aviator shades trying to look cool but he’s no smarter than Biden.

    As a reward for this long career as a Democrat hack Biden gave him his dream job as NASA administrator knowing he would be compliant in filling the place with the BIPOC dregs of American AA STEM graduates. Whether he can ever launch the behind schedule and over budget Artemis heavy booster remains to be seen. There’s a good chance he’ll leave some bodies on the moon if he does.

    • Thanks: mike99588
  16. Realist says:

    There is zero chance that we are being visited by aliens.

    A stupidly bold statement with zero data for support.

    • Agree: Sulu
  17. Realist says:
    @Dumbo

    There are no aliens.

    How could you know that?

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  18. Realist says:
    @Anon

    This is one of the stupider Anglin articles.

    That’s for sure. And his assertion…just like they shilled this fake virus at us… is incorrect, Covid is not a fake virus.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Marcion
  19. Literally thousands of people have looked into the subject for over 70 years with the most credible people being those advocating for alien visitation. There has been too much evidence over the years for this to be simply a government psyop.

    The high probability lies along the lines of Bob Lazar’s account (and Lt. Col. Phillip Corso, Cmdr. Fravor, Stanton Friedman, Donald Keyhoe) etc

    More interesting to me these days is the way ufologists start from the point of tangible alien hardware you can see and touch, but then seem to converge on consciousness for some reason.

    There seems to be a nexus around the technology of consciousness.

    Also, it’s probably not a coincidence that the National Security State got started in 1947, the same year ufos became a widespread public phenomenon.

  20. gottlieb says:

    There is a relatively new and gaining in popularity theory that the reason we don’t see ‘aliens’ visit the planet is because as intelligence increases it reaches a point of self-destruction. The legend of Atlantis points in this direction, as does the current trajectory of human civilization. ‘Intelligence’ does not equal survival.

    As for the current spate of ‘disclosure’ admissions from the government, as there are no aliens, and known human technology can’t match the flight dynamics of the apparent craft, then I’m going for the ‘metaverse’.

    Having said that, aliens who eat us are still better than politicians who fuck us.

  21. Rich says:

    You can “believe” there are no aliens, but that is impossible to prove. I can’t prove there are aliens either. No one can make a definitive statement on the existence of extraterrestrial life, we either believe one theory or another. That being said, the government only appears to be releasing information as more and more people have been willing to come forward, especially older pilots with nothing to lose. They could just be trying to control the information so they can pretend they haven’t been lying. And if you don’t think elites the world over look a lot like Icke’s lizard people wearing fake skin, you haven’t looked close enough.

  22. Bill Nelson (D) is very obviously a Klingon, minus the warrior badassery.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  23. @Anon

    There is a lot of evidence for aircraft with technological abilities far beyond our imagination, including soundlessness, acceleration rates that should be impossible, and the ability to change trajectory by a 90 degree angle with constant velocity.

    There is precisely zero evidence furthermore the “evidence” has stopped appearing since smartphones with hd cameras became commonplace.

    • Agree: gutta percha
    • Replies: @Anon
  24. Andreas says:

    Well, this is proof of how easy it will be. The government might as well announce it now.

  25. @Anon

    Then show us the video. And not blurry points of light.

    • Agree: gutta percha
  26. mike99588 says:

    The government’s manipulative “aliens landing” scenario has been being toyed with at least since the 70s. At least there are passing mentions of politicians or staffers over the years.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  27. @Franz

    What better tool to fool Russian and Chinese radar and detection systems than to design a virtual object that looks like its real to the enemy’s detection systems? Of course, it needs testing and that’s what the pilots see both as apparently real objects and on their screens. To be able to create false positives at will in order to draw fire and divert attention from the real stealth attack would seem to be a pretty handy tool.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
    , @Franz
  28. @Si1ver1ock

    The US, from 1958 through about 1967, developed nuclear rocket propulsion technologies in Nevada. Those programs were suddenly shut down there on basically, a moment’s notice with little or no explanation.

    While the infrastructure remained in place, the technology and people could have been easily and quietly moved to other secret sites where further development, i.e. mating of the propulsion device to an airframe and flight testing could have taken place. This may be on-going now.

    Since most public technical knowledge is at least 50 years behind that known by government scientists behind classified, closed doors, there may in fact be aircraft being tested by US agencies that exhibit flight qualities that those not involved with the program might believe to be “not possible according to the known laws of physics”.

    The problem is that there are TWO sets of “known laws of physics”: the one the public erroneously believes to be state of the art, and the one held by government behind closed doors; ~50 years in advance of the other that IS state of the art.

    This does not rule out ‘other’ sources for the phenomena, but it does provide an option that is less ‘other-worldly’.

  29. @mike99588

    At this point the only certainty is that governments lie–about _everything_.

    Now that we have that out of the way…..

    Some really interesting books–this is the first volume:

    More reading on this topic:

    and Terence McKenna has an amazing discussion here:

    https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-261-the-definitive-ufo-tape/

    Governments are as relevant to the serious UFO/alien topic as fish are to bicycles–but they do use the UFO meme to hide secret high tech from time to time:

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  30. Getaclue says:
    @Realist

    Now that everyone basically has a camera in their hand 24/7 we never see photos anymore of UFOs/Aliens….funny how that works…you’d expect the opposite if it was for real

  31. Grimace says:

    I’ve been suspicious lately that my proctologist is an undercover alien. The unnecessary probings never seem to cease, so what other explanation? He once warned me that a spontaneous erection was possible during these exams, and when I told him I felt nothing of the kind, he volunteered that he did not mean ME! Uggh.

  32. If our civilization continues to develop for another few hundred or a thousand years we will doubtless send robot explorers to other star systems just as we have sent them to other planets in our system.

    Why is it hard to believe that a civilization a thousand years ahead of us would send robot explorers, piloted by AI, to this planet?

    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Justvisiting
  33. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anyone with a brain

    In addition to being wrong, I find it humorous that you think the “HD” cameras on smartphones are somehow higher quality than the film cameras of the 20th century. Film cameras were far more “HD” than smartphone digital cameras.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  34. @another fred

    Because by the time it got there and relayed any information back (using today’s technology) the info attained shall have been rendered moot by our having developed, in the interim, systems which shall have yielded information that is far beyond that which returns from the probe.

  35. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Anyone else under the age of 40 here feel like you’re witnessing an archaic hominid’s attempt at human speech when you read these fucktarded Boomer posts?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Mustapha Mond
  36. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Getaclue

    Patently wrong, there has been an explosion in UFO videos over the last 10 years.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  37. @another fred

    A civilization a thousand years ahead of us should be able to:

    –Hide in plain sight (camouflage) as “nature” in its many forms, on planet and off.
    –Manipulate data at a distance to alter it, enhance it, or make it disappear.
    –Manipulate other minds at a distance…same concept.
    –Create wormholes or similar tech to travel anywhere to circumvent “speed limits”.

    I always enjoy listening to the “no evidence” crowd.

    We have millions of folks out there over the years claiming they are talking to alien intelligences, while science dismisses them out of hand as insane crackpots.

    It could be that is the human scientists that are actually the insane crackpots.

  38. Getaclue says:
    @Anonymous

    No you are wrong on that –do some research (not talking totally BS Navy video or stupid garbage):

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-there-isnt-more-UFO-videos-now-that-everybody-has-a-video-camera-in-is-pocket-cell-phone

    • Replies: @Anon
  39. Numa says:

    If indeed the Russians have nuclear powered drones in perpetual flight it just might be likely the gummint doesnt want us to know how far ahead they are.
    While its probable that we have some versions of this also, ours is probably not as far advanced, probably due to a general lack of high quality engineers at the security clearance required. No AA or foreign students likely here.

    If the k00ks are right about gravity repulsion with MHD that is also another factor for a mass distraction away from the reality of whats going on.

    The US is on the masters chopping block, getting readied for a full IMF situation after the dollar crashes.

    Its to their advantage if people panic, to keep them distracted, especially if a war results, which we are scheduled to lose.

    Then the Korps take over and turn the West into a super EEC.

    And Bully Gates molts.

  40. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Getaclue

    Sources cited:

    Quora.com (LMMFAO)

  41. Sulu says:

    There is zero chance that we are being visited by aliens.

    Sorry Anglin but that is a totally asinine statement. You have to be a completely uneducated schmuck and also devoid of the ability to think critically to believe that statement can possibly be true. The Universe is vast, perhaps infinite. So the possibility exists that alien life might be here. Now, having said that, assigning a credible number is difficult because of the lack of data. My guess would be that the number is indeed low but not zero. But it’s just a guess.

    The critical factor would be whether or not light speed is indeed the barrier we think it is. If it is the chance of Aliens being here is indeed low, but still not zero. If the light barrier can be broken then Aliens could well be here in abundance depending on the degree of technological difficulty required in breaking the light barrier.

    Think of it this way. About 200 years ago humans only had the technology to cross oceans at the speed of sailing ships. And it took months. Now we can cross the oceans in hours with jets. That is the degree of human technological progress in 200 years. It is obvious if Aliens exist they could have technology millions of years ahead of us and traveling to Earth might be as easy for them as pissing on your hand is to you.

    If you assume that the Navy video is real and not made up my guess would be that it is technology from this planet. That would seem orders of magnitude more likely. Either a foreign power that has leapfrogged us in technology having a look at our carrier groups or it is one of our own government’s toys. Perhaps America is sending a not too subtle message to the rest of the world that we have technology that is vastly superiors to everyone else so you had best not start WWIII. Or it could indeed be alien technology. But I think the chances of that are pretty low.

    If you assume the video has been faked then that does indeed open up the possibility that the government is once again trying to control the Alien narrative to manipulate the public in some way. And I, for one, would not find that much of a stretch either.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @raga10
  42. Realist says:
    @Getaclue

    Now that everyone basically has a camera in their hand 24/7 we never see photos anymore of UFOs/Aliens….funny how that works…you’d expect the opposite if it was for real

    That does not prove there are no aliens.

  43. El Dato says:
    @raga10

    Always be on the other side of the gummint.

    Of course UFO hoaxes to cover up military exercise or to freak people out as mindcontrol exercises or just for the hell of it (you know … gotta burn that budget, boys) are not exactly unheard of. Even Jacques Vallée has written about those.

    OTOH, this is the 21st century and isn’t it about time that we get visited by Aliens from another dimension who can turn our inside into our outside if we just look at them wrongly?

    Like in this fun story:

    “Chains of the Sea”: The 1973 Science Fiction Novella Influencing TTSA

  44. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    No.

    Also, please don’t tell me you have just discovered sex.

  45. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    Yeah but they didn’t actually do image processing “on the fly” (like HDR processing and god knows what else)

    OTOH, this gives you pics where evident digital artifacts that exist nowhere except in the camera’s microchip are mislabeled as UFOs, which is kinda hilarious.

  46. @orchardist

    Your version is not consistent with the experience of anyone who has worked within coo-ee of a government program.

    One of the stupidest ‘conspiracy theories’ is that governments know more than they’re letting on.

    Like organised religion, government is a grift; a shell-game.

    • Agree: El Dato
  47. jamie b. says:

    This is an entire huge hoax by the government.

    You’re already taking it far more seriously than warranted. Nearly all these sightings can be explained quite simply. No explanation needed beyond some people’s irrational need to believe in UFO’s and/or conspiracies and such.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  48. @jamie b.

    No explanation needed beyond some people’s irrational need to believe in UFO’s and/or conspiracies and such.

    That is a neat and tidy world you get to live in….unfortunately it has nothing to do with planet Earth–time to find out what is hiding underneath the carpet:

    https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-261-the-definitive-ufo-tape/

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  49. @Sulu

    The key problem with the usual notion of ‘alien visitation’, is that it is predicated on a silly idea: that the aliens are in meatbags that transport themselves around in spaceships.

    That’s the stupidest idea imaginable: it’s the equivalent of primitive islanders assuming that ‘aliens’ (white folks) would arrive in outrigger canoes, armed with spears and clubs.

    There are still people who think that humanity will never ‘solve’ the problem of housing a personality (or ‘consciousness’ for those who prefer to work in the realm of myth) in non-meat substrates. Those people are wrong – primarily because they are convinced that human personalities have some ‘special sauce’.

    The ‘Singularity’ (shorthand for the development of strong AI) is technologically feasible – in that it doesn’t violate any constraints imposed by the laws of physics as we currently understand them. To the extent that there are still significant gaps in our knowledge, history shows that closing those gaps will result in identifying ways around currently-identified constraints (as opposed to finding constraints we didn’t know about).

    Any civilisation that develops generalised computing will approach its own Singularity well before it develops reliable cost-effective interstellar transport of meatbags. That’s because reliable interstellar transport of meatbags is really hard compared to developing faster computation once you’ve got generalised computing.

    Once the Singularity is achieved there is no further need for interstellar meat transport; before the Singularity is achieved, interstellar meat transport is not feasible. Singularity is always more feasible than interstellar meat transports. So interstellar meat transports never happen, so no civilisation ever gets ‘First Contact’ by interacting with meatbags who arrive in a flying saucer.

    By this train of thought: such interstellar visitors as we get, will be virtual personalities. They will not have bodies made of meat, and they will not travel in spaceships.

    We will be in no position to detect them if they don’t want to be detected. We would be of as much interest to them, as c. elegans is to us. We were interested in c. elegans for a while, but now it’s pretty much a known known: it was the first species for which we completed mapping its genome (sequenced with gaps in 1998; all gaps filled in in 2002) and its connectome (its neuronal wiring diagram) was fully mapped by 2012.

    We are a newborn civilisation on a relatively young planet; there is a non-trivial likelihood that there are multiple civilisations that got past the technological ‘knee’ that we face now, a billion or more years ago. None of them would find us even remotely interesting.

    Maybe it’s just me, but the foregoing doesn’t faze me in the slightest.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  50. El Dato says:
    @orchardist

    The US, from 1958 through about 1967, developed nuclear rocket propulsion technologies in Nevada. Those programs were suddenly shut down there on basically, a moment’s notice with little or no explanation.

    Because they are relatively nasty to handle while not terribly useful unless you are *already* in space. Unlike in Larry Niven stories, you can’t take off with those (not enough power relative to mass)

    NASA is working on NERVA mark II projects, I hope they will deliver at some time because one really needs it to go places.

    The problem is that there are TWO sets of “known laws of physics”: the one the public erroneously believes to be state of the art, and the one held by government behind closed doors; ~50 years in advance of the other that IS state of the art.

    No.

    If Ed Witten hasn’t been talking for 20 years about those “governmental laws of physics” they don’t exist.

    And that’s just talking physics, not engineering. If some guy develops a plausible theory that traversable wormholes are feasible tomorrow (fat chance, I have a strong hunch the universe dislikes those mightily), can you use that? “We just need the energy density from just after the big bang and/or negative energy materials to open this wormhole”. “Ok, anyone else going for ice cream?”

    Hell, we don’t even have fusion reactors yet. It’s basically medieval around here.

    I blame the idea that government can do anything cutting edge on a basic misinterpetation of what happened during WWII when all the pre-war science & engineering came together to build stuff that was neither particularly new nor especially good but suddenly was made visible to a public that wasn’t able to see the science/engineering and management/organization innovations of the 30s.

    • Replies: @orchardist
  51. Bill Nelson, ferocious drunk, major political failure in Massachusetts and New England. Apropos this mediocrity turns up in Biden’s administration to go along with all the others.

    Any NASA scoop you wanna blog, Anglin, is aces with me because it points out the Democrat ruin of NASA since Obama. On and on, the Hidden Figures lies, the escape of the best brains to the weapons companies, leaving behind merit and installing EEOC and mediocrity and the inability still, to even get to orbit. Because that’s what EEOC brings, mediocrity in lieu of merit, failure in lieu of accomplishment.

  52. El Dato says:
    @orchardist

    And as I used to say at iSteve, the one secret government project is all about shipping mystery people of various color in umarked vans from the border to God knows where.

    “Shalom!”
    “Congratulations! The trucks are rolling!”

  53. Sulu says:
    @Kratoklastes

    The idea that A.I. is going to be the way the aliens explore the galaxy is not a new one. It has been explored in Sci-fi books for at least the last 60 years. Sending computers in place of people might well be done. Perhaps the best evidence for their being no Alien life is the fact that we have yet to be contacted by Alien A.I.

    I do think you are making a huge, and not well thought out assumption, that alien “meat bags” won’t be able to come here. It all depends on the technology that they have access to. A civilization that is a million years ahead of us, or even a few thousand, might just have a machine that they can hop in that has the ability to transport them anywhere in the Universe in zero time. If that were the case “meat bags” may well be here already. The A.I. may contact us first only to be quickly followed by “meat bags.” It is a huge problem trying to speculate on the motives of Aliens when we are not even sure if aliens exist. I do suspect time will provide the answer for us.

    Sulu

    • Agree: Rich
  54. @Dumbo

    From what I see taking place throughout planet earth, it’s GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3 that’s doing anal probes on everyone, including visitors from a different dimension,

  55. Right_On says:

    If aliens do exist, I wonder if they haven’t made contact because they have as little interest in meeting our vile species as I do in visiting North Philly. On the other hand – given our violent, colorful history – maybe Human Mischief on Planet Earth is the reality show with the highest ratings for our neighbors in The Galaxy.

  56. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    You got to look at it from their point of view. CIA thinks we’ll all come together for their wars and forget what parasitic criminal scumbags they are. But if they fight actual people like Russia and China or even Afghanistan they’re going to get their ass kicked and then get hanged in a international tribunal or shot out of the sky one by one, D’Andrea first.

    If you fight imaginary aliens, on the other hand, you won’t get your ass kicked as bad. You might even win. Well, realistically, with Langley it’ll probably be touch-and-go. They caught their own fucking germ warfare loogies and their enemy China didn’t. Fucking dipshits.

    They’ve been trying this shit since the 90s.

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PPP-1996-book2/html/PPP-1996-book2-doc-pg1148.htm

    • Agree: El Dato
  57. raga10 says:
    @Sulu

    If you assume that the Navy video is real and not made up my guess would be that it is technology from this planet. That would seem orders of magnitude more likely.

    The problem with the idea this technology is of Earthly origin is that our technologies develop more or less at the same rate, because they are all based on the same science; there might be some qualitative variations but we more or less follow the same trajectory. What these objects demonstrate is in a different league altogether.

    I think probability of another country having working devices using technologies we are not even theoretically aware of is actually even lower than of their other-worldly origin.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @j2
  58. @ThreeCranes

    Perhaps this new radar they’re using is programmed to test aerial phenomenon via AI virtual reality software manipulation. Pilots think it’s real but it’s only a simulation. Just like the many simulations done all the time. They do them until they get it right. Like C19 pandemic before it became a plandemic.

  59. Phibbs says:

    Ever read the Book of Enoch? It’s all about fallen angels having sex with human women. Fast forward 6,000 years. The fallen angels have returned — this time in the guise of “aliens.” That’s why the NASA director said “alternate” universe. That “alternate” universe is the spiritual dimension. It’s not the government deceiving the public; rather, it is Satan and his angels.

  60. Sulu says:
    @raga10

    I think probability of another country having working devices using technologies we are not even theoretically aware of is actually even lower than of their other-worldly origin.

    You have got to be kidding. Let me get this straight. Assuming the tic tac was real you think it’s much more likely it’s aliens than something produced here on Earth? The U.S. and other governments have a long history of keeping advanced technology hidden from their citizens but you think no it’s got to be aliens? Sorry but you have it exactly backwards.

    Man if I were you I think I might go buy one powerball ticket. Because you sure do confuse a long shot with a sure thing.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @raga10
  61. @El Dato

    Scientists in those secret government labs that don’t exist are making the discoveries and writing the books you’d love to read – if only you can live long enough (50 years?) for them to be declassified and make it into the public domain – if ever. Good luck with that.

    [What is it that you think goes on at Area 51, Dugway, China Lake, Vandenburg, and TTR – among others? Sewing circles?]

    No one in the private sector can afford to do ‘basic research’ these days – but Fiat-funded, Black-budget secret government agencies can – and DO.

    You and Kratoklastes prove my thesis – exactly.

  62. raga10 says:
    @Sulu

    The U.S. and other governments have a long history of keeping advanced technology hidden from their citizens

    Technical implementations, yes – sometimes, and with rather varying levels of success at that. but not the science. Show me one example in history where one side would be already using scientific principles the others would not be even aware of. Radar? No, Germans were also working on their own. Jet aircraft? Again, no – Germans brought theirs first, but Brits and Americans weren’t that far behind so clearly they were working on the same technologies at roughly the same time. German rockets? Well, British didn’t have theirs, but its not like they were completely flabbergasted how such a thing could be possible. Nuclear weapons? Same story: Americans got there first, but other countries at least had their own ideas how to make it work. Soviets had their first nuclear test in 1949, just a few years behind the US.

    Yet here you have aircraft pulling moves that we don’t even know how we could match in theory, let alone in practice.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  63. @Anon

    “Anyone else under the age of 40 here….”

    So you’re under 40, eh?

    And have an IQ to match, obviously……..

  64. @CelestiaQuesta

    Just two millennia to stop the spread.

  65. Have you hugged your Alien today?

    Alien Lives Matter!

    Some of my best friends are space Aliens.

    So what’s the proper politically correct way to refer to an Alien?

    We’ll just have to mandate they get the jab just to be sure.

    Joe Biden looks like a space Alien to me. At least when he doesn’t look like a tree stump.

    Do space Aliens eat bananas? People want to know.

  66. jamie b. says:
    @Justvisiting

    That is a neat and tidy world you get to live in….

    And that’s an epistemologically lazy world that you live in.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  67. Franz says:
    @ThreeCranes

    What better tool to fool Russian and Chinese radar and detection systems than to design a virtual object that looks like its real to the enemy’s detection systems?

    Get the Brits in on this. When it came to Baffle and Bamboozle, they were the best back in the 1940s.

    My serious reservation is the sieve-like nature of American defense procurement. Do we have anything the Russians and Chinese would be unfamiliar with?

  68. El Dato says:
    @orchardist

    What is it that you think goes on at Area 51, Dugway, China Lake, Vandenburg, and TTR – among others? Sewing circles?

    Nothing particulary ordinary. The usual engineering stuff. These sites may have been biggish and legendary in the Cold War, but today not so much.

    They also have burn pits giving people cancer. Yeah, we have interdimensional travel but can’t get rid of our rubbish in a cvilized way? That’s the military, all right.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/area-51-burning-revealed/

    No one in the private sector can afford to do ‘basic research’ these days

    That’s why we still don’t have portable phones, neural networks, DNA sequencing, warehouses full of computers that you can command for a few bucks, civilian nuclear power or flat screen like in Star Trek and maybe an idea on how to do quantum computing.

    but Fiat-funded, Black-budget secret government agencies can – and DO

    Seriously, revise your opinion. Gumminment may invent warcrap that gives an edge in certain situation (or maybe not as the F-35 ominously shows) but leaps are just not coming from there, especially not today where the good stuff is on Arxiv (in Chinese maybe) even before the gummint employee wakes up in the morning. As I say, that is a misperception stemming from WWII.

  69. Dem aliens won’t land here not while we got the covit on the loose

  70. Jiminy says:

    I think an earlier commenter was right in saying that this has something to do with garnering support, financial or otherwise for the US Space Force. Space, the final frontier, will be next once this Maryland flu subsides, now that the war on terror is done and dusted. This will probably be a decade long run up to something big happening, probably off planet, that will attract no unwanted attention. How many nosey journalists will be up there covering the events. None. Anything bad that occurs will be blamed on the evil aliens. The jewy yanks are going to have a field day up there, and there’s nothing anyone will be able to do about it.

  71. Wilmont says:

    It is a well-identified pattern. Every so often NASA comes out with a statement hinting that there is “possible” evidence that conditions on other planets “could” support life or “may” have once supported life. They never produce actual evidence of current or past extra-terrestrial life, they just state that it could be possible. Now, NASA is using the same tactic on the subject of aliens and UFO’s visiting earth. So much for “just follow the science”. Obviously, this is just a tactic to secure public support for funding of NASA. The discovery of extra-terrestrial life would, of course, be considered as the greatest discovery in the history of mankind, and many people, for various reasons, would like to believe that aliens do exist. So, if NASA is saying it just might be true, then, by all means, let us fund NASA to the gills with money we don’t have to prove that which many passionately want to believe is true.

  72. @Si1ver1ock

    I also find this drift to the technology of consciousness to be fascinating. Even the nuts and bolts UFOlogist Richard Dolan is ruminating about the possibility.

    I wonder if it has to do with our finite ability to grasp what we are dealing with. Anyone who does a cursory study of UFOs knows they are here. We have no idea how they got here. We have no idea why they are here. We have no idea if they are friend or foe.

    Perhaps we are using our finite intelligence and vocabulary to try and explain the inexplicable. Along with consciousness is also the idea of inner dimensional. Not flying here from another galaxy but appearing from another dimension or realm.

    Trying to pin down mysteries with language is never a winning game. And, UFOs are if nothing else a very real and persistent mystery.

  73. j2 says:
    @raga10

    If you assume that what is seen in sensors is real and not
    inserted targets to the shared situational awareness platform.
    The Navy 2004 case has UFO target on visual camera (the guy
    stating to have seen ping-pong ufo, but he saw it through a
    camera), infrared camera and radar. All are sensors and all
    can be presented targets that do not exist if there is some
    interface (either authorized or a trapdoor) to send such data.
    If US military situational awareness system is hacked and
    somebody demonstrates it by creating UFO sightings, then
    it is quite a serious matter, depending on who this someone is.
    This is yet several magnitudes more probable theory than either
    real UFOs or real too advanced technology somewhere. Hacking
    a system is possible, ask the manufacturer first who made it.

    • Replies: @raga10
  74. In some ways I think we are headed there. For example, there are experiments where you hook someone up to a computer and they can control the mouse pointer using their brain. It takes some training but it does seem to happen. This give rise to the idea of coherent thought.

    The training seems to increase the signal to noise ratio. Coherent thought can then be defined as efferent thought with a high signal to noise ratio.

    This is combined with an extended sensorium i.e. afferent sense input. Like if your toaster or home security sends your phone a message, only the phone is hardwired to you brain and has been since you were born.

    But it is a two way street the efferent directed thoughts going out and the afferent sense inputs coming in.

    Aliens like the ones in the picture are supposed to have a IQ of around 1200, which is an order of magnitude higher than a reasonably intelligent human and that is before you add in their ability to network with their technology (think Google) and other aliens.

  75. @jamie b.

    Terence McKenna’s IQ was probably at least thirty points higher than yours….

    You may want to listen to what he has to say.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  76. jamie b. says:
    @Justvisiting

    He’s simply making a string of bald assertions. How low must one’s IQ be to find that persuasive?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  77. @Unit472

    He also got a free ride on the space shuttle as a reward for being a good lobbyist for NASA. That was before Challenger.

  78. YTer pewdiepie thoroughly deeboonked this:

  79. @jamie b.

    I can lead you to water but I cannot make you drink.

    If McKenna is not persuasive then look at the Vallee book linked above, or the John Mack book.

    These are _very_ bright people, and they have a lot of important data as well as analysis.

    All you need to do is pay attention.

    Don’t let Occam’s Razor cut off your head.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  80. raga10 says:
    @j2

    If US military situational awareness system is hacked and
    somebody demonstrates it by creating UFO sightings, then
    it is quite a serious matter, depending on who this someone is.

    What you see is by definition recordings from sensors, but pilots also have their own eyes and I’m sure many of these encounters would play out in visual range.

    In fact, here is one video where pilots discuss their encounters, saying that radars can sometimes throw random tracks and they would treat them as such until they had visual confirmation… and some of them nearly collided with these objects.

    • Replies: @j2
  81. jamie b. says:
    @Justvisiting

    I too can simply assert that I’m right, and then make a vague hand wave in the direction of some books. You presented something that was supposed to be persuasive. It wasn’t. Now you require me to do your homework for you? No thanks.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  82. @jamie b.

    One more book that I hope you have already read:

    Homo Sapiens needs creativity and thinking out of the box to advance.

    I have given you several brilliant minds to consider…

    That is a gift I have given you–hopefully you will reconsider and gracefully accept it.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  83. Sulu says:
    @raga10

    Yet here you have aircraft pulling moves that we don’t even know how we could match in theory, let alone in practice.

    And the reason we don’t know about it is because…it’s top secret. If any super power developed this technology don’t you think it would be highly classified? Of course it would be. It would be held back in case we have WWIII.

    I have a little story to relate to you. And yes, from your point of view it can only be seen as apocryphal, however, a few years ago I worked with a guy that was retired Air Force. He was an electronics expert and claimed to have worked on the electronics on many of our jets. He was a career man with 21 years in. I can confirm he knew electronics because he repaired several bits of electronic kit I had around the house. I brought up the tic tac video and told him I suspected that it was much more likely that it was our military than little green men. I asked his opinion on it. He gave me a Mona Lisa smile and told me that in his experience the military has gear that is 40 or 50 years in advance of what the general public knows about. I asked him to elaborate and he told me that ssd tech that we have been using in our computers for about the last ten years or so was developed for use in the F-15 in the 70’s and at that time was top secret. I pressed him further and about all I could get out of him was that he couldn’t talk about it. He did say, however, that I shouldn’t be too surprised at anything I see in the sky.

    Now, I knew the guy for about 2 years, and that is not an overly long time to get to know a person’s character. But he seemed a straight up guy and he did know electronics. So the question is how much weight should I give what the guy said? My gut feeling was that he was on the level and his last statement would seem to suggest that our military has some very advanced flight technology.

    I realize this is a second hand internet story from some one you don’t know. So you can discount it or believe it at your own discretion. But it is the truth. Now, is it possible the tic tac was of alien origin? Hell yes, it’s possible. But I think the alien angle is about as likely as me winning the lottery. Not impossible but not likely.

    In a way I kind of hope we are being watched over by benign aliens that have our best interests at heart. It’s kind of neat to think we may be on the cusp of a new paradigm. But, like I said, I wouldn’t put money on it. Do I think alien contact is going to happen? Yes, if we survive as a species long enough. And if the light barrier is not the absolute our science thinks it is. But I doubt it’s going to happen in my lifetime.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @raga10
  84. raga10 says:
    @Sulu

    Well, your friend might be partially right, I don’t know. Another truth is that military gear can also be years behind commercially available technology as well, let me give you an example: when was the last time you’ve seen an actual floppy disc? Do you even know what they are? Well, if you served on Black Hawk Pavehawk helicopter you’d see one today, because they still record some flight data on floppies! 80s technology, still in use… pity they didn’t borrow that ssd technology developed for F-15, huh?

    I repeat, technology can be classified, but we should at least have some idea how things could work. With jet propulsion as we know it, things these aircraft do are not possible.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Stan d Mute
  85. jamie b. says:
    @Justvisiting

    Yes, I get the idea already. You’re sooo much more open minded that me. Read Khun years ago in college, FWIW. So… Kuhn therefore… what? Again, just more vacuous handwaving at books. Try forming an actual argument.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  86. Sulu says:
    @raga10

    I’m quite familiar with floppy discs. Sadly, I’m that old.

    Yes, I do know that some military tech is quite out of date. Frighteningly so in some cases.

    If you are into the U.F.O. thing one aspect of it that always intrigued me was the so called foo fighters of WWII fame. Balls of light that usually paced allied aircraft. The Germans saw them too and both sides thought it was a secret weapon of the other side.

    I have often thought that if Aliens were observing us a World War might be a time that their observations might pick up. I have seen interviews of some of the pilots, and being a civilian pilot myself, I tend to believe them. It seemed to pick up near the end of the war. Quite interesting. It sure begs a lot of questions.

    Sulu

  87. GeneralRipper [AKA "Zwischenzug"] says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Bill Nelson (D) is very obviously a Klingon, minus the warrior badassery.

    lol

    Precisely.

    One look at Bill Nelson has me convinced that anal-probing Aliens do indeed walk among us.

  88. anaccount says:

    I spent most of my adult life believing that space aliens visited earth once or even a few times. It was a fun theory but as soon as the government started shilling it, I became very skeptical. I’m amazed that people can question government statements on a range of topics but then go all in on something else they’re shilling. From globohomo warming to the cohoax and now even space aliens. There is a sucker born every minute.

  89. @Getaclue

    You must be sucking on a bong 24 hours a day. Everyone else can see endless numbers of HD UFO videos and photos uploaded to UFO research sites, e.g. MUFON, which has been in existence for only a half century.

  90. @orchardist

    Yes the OTHER laws of physics used for gov’t defense and surveillance technology permits zombies, psychokinesis, witchcraft, Tarot readings, and DMT-infused buttplugs for operators of holographic anti-aircraft subterfuge technology.

  91. Okay. I’ll go there. Anonymously.

    I have seen an inexplicable aerial phenomenon. I am a man of science, reason, and extreme skepticism. And I saw some shit that I can’t explain. Saw it with a friend who was also flummoxed (and terrified) by the experience.

    No crazy abduction and anal probe story. Just two friends of high school age, out late garage-hopping (something we did in the 80’s to relieve boomers and silents of the extra beer stored in their garages). On a golf course at zero dark thirty, a searchlight appeared above us. Silently. From an otherwise silent, dark, and empty suburban sky, a fucking spotlight shone down on us from above. (If you can remember being a teenage delinquent, you can perhaps see the terror we faced).

    What tech existed in the 80’s for a searchlight to appear above a suburban golf course at zero dark thirty? Silently. A hot air balloon? Plausible in daylight – ballooning was a thing there and then. But at night? With a searchlight? And happening to shine it on a couple of delinquents out to steal beer?

    When I have seen shit that I can’t explain, no matter how many times I’ve tried over the decades, I can’t easily dismiss the possibility of extra-terrestrial visitors. The alternative is that the government had silent means of aerial propulsion in the 80’s. Which one is crazier?

    But the Jew’s God precludes the possibility right? Only the Jew’s god is conceivable right? Because your mommy told you that Jesus loves you right?

    We are truly doomed.

    • Replies: @raga10
  92. @raga10

    Well, if you served on Black Hawk Pavehawk helicopter you’d see one today, because they still record some flight data on floppies! 80s technology, still in use…

    You would no doubt be horrified by the “tech” used to keep the Space Shuttle flying. I’ve seen the consoles and archaic processors. It’s nearly unimaginable that we sent shit into orbit with these machines. My current wristwatch is almost infinitely smarter. And yet. Until the last Shuttle mission we were deploying state of the art 1970’s high tech into space. Because nobody was allowed to update or change it.

    I can’t attest to whatever is really going on, but I can definitively attest to the fact that we (us crackers what pay for it all) have absolutely zero clue.

  93. j2 says:
    @raga10

    The pilot does not see the object directly with his eyes. He has a helmet with a vizor.
    Long ago (>10 years) I heard of intelligent vizors that show flight data. Vizor is a
    transparent screen. A part of smart clothes gear. But hard to say from this video.
    The people in the video seem honest, but it is more difficult to accept too advanced
    airplane technology than to assume we here see simply recent advances in
    information/communication technology. But the odd thing is that if those UFOs
    were training targets, then why the pilots would not guess/know about it. So it is
    not training, then what? Errors in decoding compressed video?

    • Replies: @raga10
  94. Disclosure project

    “Secret Knowledge: Probably one of the most important videos of our time; On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena.”

    Some ‘believe’ the ‘hogwash’?
    Disclosure project
    “Secret Knowledge: Probably one of the most important videos of our time; On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena.”
    https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/78477-debunking-the-disclosure-project/

  95. raga10 says:
    @Stan d Mute

    But the Jew’s God precludes the possibility right? Only the Jew’s god is conceivable right? Because your mommy told you that Jesus loves you right?

    I don’t see why aliens should be an issue for any religion, Abrahamic ones included. They all agree that God created all of the universe – is it so much of a stretch to assume he told his people what they needed to know, but he didn’t necessarily spill the beans about everything he was up to on other planets?

    If aliens exist, then they are God’s creatures too and Jesus still loves you. What’s the problem?

  96. roonaldo says:

    Though this may blow the circuits of the iPhone whippersnappers, let us travel to a dark and distant time, when grunts and scratching in the dirt were the limits of human communication–to the year 1947.

    That was the year Lt. Gen. Nathan F. Twining, head of the Air Material Command, ordered a full AMC investigation of the mass sightings of strange aerial craft. His band of flea-ridden primate investigators included the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2 Chief of Engineering Division Office, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propellor Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.

    Their classified report to the commanding general of the Army Air Forces, scratched on banana leaves and hidden in the hollow trunk of a bongawonga tree, describes the craft, their evasive maneuverings upon radar and airplane contact, formations of up to nine objects, and concludes they are real and under intelligent control.

    Mass sightings occurred in 1952 over nuclear stations, military bases, and the crude encampments of straw and mud known as Washington D.C.. Mass sightings recurred in 1957.

    This and much more is found in Major Donald E. Keyhoe’s 1973 book Aliens From Space…The Real Story of Unidentified Flying Objects. In it, he recounts the attempts to force down UFOs, the high-level attempts to end the secrecy and cover-ups, the growing influence and eventual takeover of UFO policy by the CIA, and the Project Blue Book and Condon Report deceptions. He recounts the strange story of Project Ozma, abruptly shut down when its first target for detecting alien signals, Tau Ceti, brought immediate results.

    Another great book, among many, in the piles of UFO books I unboxed during the shutdown, is Witness to Roswell. There is a lot of good stuff at stantonfriedman.com, tons of sighting reports at nuforc.org and at MUFON.

    Well, enough, a brigade of enraged iPhoneiacs is heading my way–time to retreat to my cave, eat some insect larvae, and discuss the day’s events with a female I dragged away from a band of australopithecines.

  97. @orchardist

    I have a physics PhD from a world-leading department.

    Nobody with elite STEM skills and credentials chooses government over tenure track or private sector. Literally nobody. I can’t speak to WWII but I can speak on the career choices of my generation, who are now the prime workhorses in tech/science.

    • Replies: @orchardist
  98. Truth says:
    @orchardist

    if only you can live long enough (50 years?) for them to be declassified and make it into the public domain – if ever.

    More like 3 years.

    2023 begins the age of illumination, which will go on until the end of the decade.

    Unfortunately, most of us will be dead by then.

  99. @Whereismyhandle

    You might tell your wife you work for oh, say, Battelle, or Draper, or Lockheed, or EG&G . . . or even Caltech or MIT, or Stanford; but if you are any good at your craft, disassemble who you REALLY work for, and the odds are that at the core level, you’ll find a three-letter agency behind your paycheck. [Dig deep.]

    “Nobody WANTS to work for the government” – but directly or indirectly, you “prime workhorses’ most all DO in some fashion, at some time – whether you know it, or admit it or not. YOU may not choose to work for government, but GOVERNMENT may choose for you to work for government. Time for pulling some wool off those ‘elite, STEM’ eyes. Your ‘non-government career choices’ ended with Conscription in 1861 (actually with Rome in 2BC).

    Job shop protocols mandate doing work for others who are not identified in any way.

    The contract is awarded by an entity at a PO box in City 1; the blueprints come from another entity at another PO box in City 2; the finished work is sent to another entity at a PO box in City 3; an invoice is sent to a PO box in City 4; and a check is received from a payer at another PO box in City 5. The blueprints have no identifiers on them as to what the parts ARE – nor what they DO – nor what they are FOR. They are identified by just a long string of alpha-numerics. The job shop has not known one thing about any aspect of the contract other than that it could serve the customer’s needs and did. Happens all the time all over the world. [This is how the \$2.4 Trillion Rumsfeld was bitching about being lost by the Pentagon gets lost.]

    Do you know who you REALLY work for?

    Thought experiment:

    You are a hot shot PhD botanist with the Biology Dept. at the Univ of Montana doing basic research into wheat rust mold. You think your efforts will help wheat growers increase yields and all that.

    You don’t know that the CIA let a secret, classified contract for wheat rust mold research to the US Dept. of Agriculture; the Dept of Ag let that contract to the Montana Wheat Growers Association; they let that contract to the Univ of Montana; and the U passed that contract down to the biology lab and it ended up in YOUR hands. You work your ass off and produce some great results that you send to your supers.

    The CIA takes those results and passes them on to Ft. Detrick for a little tweaking, who passes them on to Dugway who creates thousands of gallons of toxic wheat rust mold spores and weaponizes them into ~100,000 155 mm Howitzer shells.

    Now – who do you tell your wife you work for?

    [But surely you know all this.]

  100. raga10 says:
    @j2

    The pilot does not see the object directly with his eyes. He has a helmet with a vizor.
    Long ago (>10 years) I heard of intelligent vizors that show flight data. Vizor is a transparent screen.

    Yes, a transparent screen – otherwise known as a piece of plastic. An optical device attached to the helmet can optionally project some basic imagery onto it, the same graphics that are displayed on the HUD, but not life-like images of flying saucers!

    To be fair, they are trying to do something like you describe on F-35 specifically; they developed those “smart helmets” that do have more complex display. These helmets are huge, cost half a million dollars apiece and need to be individually adjusted for each pilot and they still have a lot of teething problems. Now, in 2021, not back when these encounters took place.

    If you’re going to believe that US forces that still occasionally use floppy discs have this magical ability to project life-like 3D images into pilot’s visor, without the pilot ever even being aware these devices exist on their aircraft… you might as well believe in aliens.

    • Replies: @j2
  101. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. These bureaucrats can hint all they want. Without clear and convincing evidence, I’m just going to assume they’re lying for nefarious purposes. That’s what bureaucrats do. They lie.

    People who don’t believe the COVID and “climate change” lies and then turn around and gobble this crap up are idiots.

  102. @Andreas

    The behavioral scientists and propagandists who work for the intel agencies know exactly what they are doing.

    I too believe that the government knows exactly what they are doing. Their competence knows no bounds.

    Yeah, sure.

  103. j2 says:
    @raga10

    You are naturally correct that a flying gyroscope could not be shown on a vizor, but I
    think the person in the video you sent said something like: “I did not see them, I saw
    flashes”. That may be flashes of light and that might be within the possibilities of a
    projector in a helmet. I am not yet convinced that people saw something in their own
    eyes that requires a closer study (especially as we do not have the data that they saw.)
    One explanation to flashes of light is insects, some are small, yet flash light in dark.

    Those flying saucer (or gyroscope) images on camera can be real what the camera sees,
    or images from some other camera: it could just as well show a UFO video depending on
    what is sent to it.

    I believe in aliens as much as I believe in much of theoretical physics from the US,
    meaning that occasionally the results are correct and more often are not.
    Remember Michio Kaku’s book Hyperspace 1994 where argues that the superstring
    theory allows time travel through wormholes but it is too energy demaning to realize it
    (actually there are many logical contradictions that forbid it).

    I saw a UFO with my wife some 30 years ago. I could not identify the object for some time,
    so it was a UFO, but finally I decided that somebody had a powerful light source and
    reflected light into clouds. They moved in random circles, quite impressive, but no
    real aliens. This is just to say that some people like making UFOs, just like some people
    like faking miracles.

    As for the UFOs of 1940s and 1950s, I think some were secret military plane experiments.

  104. @animalogic

    may be they wanted to probe how much screwing the common guy can take

    • Replies: @animalogic
  105. Leaving aside the reality or lack thereof of aliens. they’re not exactly news. Aliens 0r the lack thereof have been common coin in discussions for about seventy years now; they’re about as novel as roller skates.

    My suspicion is that the government is desperate to divert our attention. This first showed up right after Biden entered office. It’s ‘look: a squirrel!’

    Personally, I’ll file the aliens with global warming: we can address them — just as soon as we’ve gotten rid of the current administration.

  106. @orchardist

    “The US, from 1958 through about 1967, developed nuclear rocket propulsion technologies in Nevada. ”

    Yes, and the gigantic rusting remains of that junk can still be found there. It never got off the ground.

  107. We are Damn Dirty Apes rutting, heaving, and ejaculating on damn dirty female apes. What ego and arrogance to believe our primitive, pheromone-driven, lice-infested, grunting, and heaving species is of the slightest interest to any other lifeform out there.

    We have barely even invented the radio and RF Transmissions. Those Damn Dirty Ape radio waves have not even left our galaxy and there are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in our known Universe.

    No one out there even knows we exist. We are one grain of sand on a beach full of sand on a pathetic planet among billions of planets, among billions of galaxies.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/news/a27934/galaxy-map-human-radio-broadcasts/

    “The Milky Way stretches between 100,000 and 180,000 light-years across, depending on where you measure, which means a signal broadcast from one side of the galaxy would take 100,000 years or more to reach the other side. Now consider that our species started broadcasting radio signals into space only about a century ago. That’s represented by a small blue bubble measuring 200 light-years in diameter surrounding the position of the Earth. For any alien civilizations to have heard us, they must be within the bubble.”

    And yet we are to believe that Aliens have developed a penchant for Homosapien buggery on a planet called earth. What dirty little, intergalactic fuck buddies we are.

    • Replies: @raga10
  108. Space aliens are just another part of the Leftist religion that, among false gods, worships highly-advanced saucer people (in order to contrast how “primitive” we are, and how we need to be saved by
    communist techno-god messiahs.)
    The Left has forced us to worship many false and disgusting gods. The Left actually requires that we worship Blacks and Browns; the ugliest, stupidest, most violent, most obnoxious, most illiterate races on Earth. The Blacks especially. That gorilla-like steroid monster Serena Williams is shoved down our throats on TV as some kind of heroic beauty. Ugh.
    All of these false gods are used by Leftist tyrants to make Leftist lies and fantasies have some sort of credibility.
    I guarantee you that at some point some highly-advanced saucer people (who will probably be Negroes in bad costumes speaking barely-concealed ebonics) will dictate the newest Leftist outrages to us.
    That is when White people need to kick into full rebellion mode. It is time for a full-on paradigm shift back to reality. It’s time to wake up from this Leftist nightmare.

  109. @jamie b.

    Try forming an actual argument.

    I think we live in different universes.

    I remember taking my wife to hike in Mt. Zion NP in Utah.

    As she looked over the incredible view in awe she did _not_ say “try forming an actual argument”.

    😉

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  110. @Justvisiting

    What she did say was “thank you”.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  111. raga10 says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    Now consider that our species started broadcasting radio signals into space only about a century ago.

    Now consider that’s by no means the only option. Perhaps they were here all along? Perhaps they discovered this planet long ago for reasons that had nothing to do with us? Maybe they liked to collect dinosaurs as pets and now they just keep an eye on the place in case new species of dinosaurs appear? Maybe they just routinely explore other planets, because that’s what they like to do? Maybe our planet is in their sphere of influence as defined by some Galactic Council and they just patrol their domain? Maybe they seeded life here on purpose?

    The idea that aliens only took interest in us once they discovered our radio signals is just one of many possibilities and as you point out, not the most likely one. My money is on them collecting dinosaurs 🙂

  112. @Old Brown Fool

    Indeed. The “common guy” seems to be increasingly probed, but good & hard…. It’s about time the “common guy” probed back, until the probers bleed.

  113. Marcion says:
    @Realist

    You’ve been trolled, big time.

  114. Probably the most important subject of all human existence – and only 114 comments?

  115. jamie b. says:
    @Justvisiting

    What she did say was “thank you”.

    Wow, you’re so deep.

  116. According to veteran UFOlogist Jacques Vallee, aliens are actually demonic entities from another dimension. They are interdimensional travelers who have fooled various governments into thinking they have advanced technology. But all they really want is power here over humanity.

    Hell, with all that’s been happening with the global Covid cult, I’m now more inclined to believe such things actually exist. If so, get ready for their next step, as they present a fake alien messiah to lead us into the New World Order. As precondition for their gift of transhumanism to the oligarchs, they are demanding that humanity be consecrated to them by the rite of vaccination, the more consecrated the greater the rewards.

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