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Wait, hold up – is Brandon claiming that it is possible for a vote to be faked?

That sounds to me like an attack on the values of our democracy. I was told that it was impossible for a vote to be faked, and that anyone who ever claimed that was possible was against who we are.


The US will “never recognize” the referendums in the Donbass republics and two Russian-controlled regions in Ukraine, President Joe Biden said on Friday, pledging that Washington and its allies will seek to impose “severe economic costs” on Moscow over the votes.

Biden denounced the referendums on joining Russia, which kicked off on Friday, as “a sham.”

They are “a false pretext to try to annex parts of Ukraine by force in flagrant violation of international law, including the United Nations Charter,” his statement read.

The US leader pledged to “work with our allies and partners to impose additional swift and severe economic costs on Russia,” without providing further details.

He went on to say that Washington would “continue to support the Ukrainian people and provide them with security assistance” to fight off Russian troops.

On Friday, the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as the Russian-controlled Kherson Region and part of Zaporozhye Region, began their referendums on joining Russia, which will be completed on September 27.

If he’s not saying the vote is fake, he’s saying that these people don’t have a right to vote for independence, and therefore have to be occupied and abused by the Kiev government. If that’s the case, he needs to explain why it is that Kiev has a right to rule over people who do not want to be ruled over by Kiev.

Brandon claims that this violates the UN Charter, but I’ve recently studied that document, and it seems to me that NATO is the one violating the UN Charter. Written in 1948, the Charter calls for independent governance.

I am relatively certain that Russian-speaking Ukraine would qualify as a “non-self-governing territory.” The goal of the UN, as stated in chapter 73 of article XI, is to establish self-governance in territories without it:

to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement

The Russian speakers of the soon-to-be former Ukraine territories appear to be entering a new stage of development, and establishing free political institutions. I’m not sure what argument could be made against this. The Democrats – and most Republicans – are claiming that “borders are sacred,” but I don’t think this concept is explicated in the UN Charter. In fact, referenda are explicitly endorsed as a means for non-self-governing territories to establish independence.

I don’t think the UN Charter has a right to determine world events regardless, but Biden is the one who brought it up.

NATO, a militant globalist terror organization, has also denounced the referendums, with the suspected homosexual head of the illegitimate group claiming that they change nothing.


NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has slammed the ongoing referendums in Donbass and two regions of eastern Ukraine, as citizens weigh whether they would like to formally join Russia.

With voting set to take place over the next few days in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics – which are already recognized by Moscow – and the Ukrainian regions of Kherson and Zaporozhye, Stoltenberg insisted that Russia would use the “sham” referendums “to further escalate the war.”

He added that they would have “no legitimacy and of course they don’t change anything.”

Russians are showing big support for the referendums.

That is a whole lot more people than showed up to protest the mobilization, but the Western media isn’t reporting on it.

Despite the claims of NATO, these referendums change absolutely everything.

When the referendums are complete, Russia will no longer be occupying foreign territory, they will be standing in Russia. That will mean that the entire dynamic of the conflict changes, and the Ukraine will officially be bombing Russia and killing Russian citizens.

Putin claimed that he will use nuclear weapons to defend all of Russia from any threats. I doubt that means he is going to launch nukes in response to ongoing bombings by the Ukraine against civilian population centers in the Donbass, but it will give him that option.

Furthermore, the entirety of the SCO is going to recognize Russia’s claim on these territories. There are observers at the votes, and so China, India and others will be acknowledging that the Ukraine and their NATO allies are attacking Russia.

Russia can also move to establish a much more significant military presence in the area as they normalize.

It’s not good for NATO, and it does change things, which is why they are flipping out.

(Republished from The Daily Stormer by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Notsofast says:

    scott ritter pointed out at the beginning of the smo, that putin and the russian army were rewriting the text book for modern warfare. he adroitly commented that this would be studied for years in military academies all over the world. it really is a pleasure to watch putin’s understated and polite response to all the bitter invective hurled at him by the uncouth and moronic “leadership” of the west. it’s like watching an aikido master humiliate a gang of street thugs without breaking a sweat.

  2. Avery says:

    {Putin claimed that he will use nuclear weapons to defend all of Russia from any threats. I doubt that means he is going to launch nukes in response to ongoing bombings by the Ukraine against civilian population centers in the Donbass, but it will give him that option.}

    Only Putin and his inner circle know for sure, but I can see no scenario where Putin would resort to using tactical nukes in Ukraine for any reason. The reference to nukes was in response to dim bulb Liz Truss’s boast that if she became PM, she wouldn’t hesitate to use nukes. Well, in response Putin announced to the tone deaf in the GloboWest that Russia wouldn’t hesitate to use nukes either. And to make sure the idiots got the message, he also said Russia has more and better nukes (…paraphrase).

    Poster [Bragadocious] had a Vid link in another thread.

    In it State Duma deputy Andrey Gurulyov says “….why would we use nukes in Ukraine? we live there*….We’ll nuke England instead….” (paraphrase)

    * i.e. Slavic lands. Would US nuke Australia ? (Anglosphere) Of course not.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  3. I doubt that means he is going to launch nukes in response to ongoing bombings . . .

    I’m still waiting for the heavy bombers to show up.

    . . .

    Ukraine has been shelling downtown Donetsk recently. Basically, they pushing the separatists into the arms of Mother Russia.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @SteveK9
  4. …that you cannot seize a nation’s territory by force

    USA and NATO seized Kosovo by force from Serbia and handed it to the Kosovar Albanians against the UN resolution. So what’s this cretin Biden talking?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  5. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Sure they’re flipping out but the response is ‘Wadda gonna do about it?’. Nothing, the US and its NATO puppets can’t do a thing about it except scream and scheme. The economic warfare sanctions backfired badly and some replay of the Crimean War is out of the question. So what’s left? Nothing but a public tantrum. The captive American audience will eat it up but nobody else. As compensation perhaps the US will find another weak country to vent its anger upon and drop some bombs as a form of therapy.

    • Agree: Brooklyn Dave
    • Replies: @Derer
    , @c matt
  6. Gee, what other countries have annexed territory by force.? True, the US hasn’t done so since 1898, but our very bestest pal in the world, the sanctified holy State of Israel, still has millions of Arabs under its totalitarian thumb. Brandon had better address that, first. Oh wait, his cabinet is made up entirely of Zionist Jews?

  7. Jim H says:

    Russia’s referenda in several Ukrainian oblasts is rather similar to how West Virginia voted on Oct 24, 1861 to split itself off from Virginia, following Virginia’s secession.

    Purported US hero Ape Lincoln signed off on the sketchy wartime transfer on April 20, 1863.

    Like the Russian-speaking areas of eastern and southern Ukraine which feel little in common with the Kiev regime, West Virginians in Civil War days did not align with the Virginia government in Richmond.

    Among the reasons, West Virginia’s mountain soil did not support the plantation agriculture common in the Virginia piedmont. Economically, the WV mountaineers had little stake in the South’s secession, and voted to split off.

    Naturally, “Joe Biden” is not going to cite this example from US history of Uncle Sam sweeping in opportunistically during wartime to nip off a corner of the Confederacy. It’s not illegal when we do it! /sarc

    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
  8. I wonder what the consensus is in the Odessa region? Also a mostly Russian speaking area near the contested Transnistria region with Moldova. Has anyone heard any rumblings on this one?

    • Replies: @Passing By
  9. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Awesome Charter-trolling of a president who couldn’t read My Pet Goat with minimal comprehension. Nothing drives US statist pissants up the wall like applying the authorities they wave around and garble.

    Russia is doing it too, acting in the spirit of the Small Five reforms by justifying their decisions in terms of international law. By invoking Article 51 they get to go to war. However they declined to put their forces at the disposal of the Security Council, as Chapter VII requires. This is the provision the US has been shitting on for decades, So, How do you like it, assholes?

    Russia’s overarching fight is moving world order from the US system based on great power conflict to an SCO system based on friendly relations between nations. The latter is a requisite of law. The former is an illegal breach of the non-intervention principle. A couple gigatons ought to do the trick.

    • Agree: A B Coreopsis
    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  10. I believe what Putin said was he would use nukes if the west used them on Russia. Putin does not need to use nukes to finish the mop up with Ukraine. Adding 300,000 troops is more than enough for that.
    The criminally insane western leaders are flipping out because there’s not a damn thing they can do to stop Russia from completing what the US and NATO started. The dumbshits running the US believe their own BS and now they are screwed because of that. This is a tragedy from any viewpoint and the US is to blame. The European leadership is just as stupid, and I think we will see some leader’s heads roll this winter. There had been a peace deal made between Russia and Ukraine, but BoJo screwed that up. Now there will be more death and destruction until this ends. Despite what the MSM says Russia has outmaneuvered the west quite nicely. Ukraine lost most of their equipment in their recent offense and are now screaming for more tanks which the west is hesitant to give. Even if they did it would not change the inevitable outcome of this proxy war. And no, the Russians are not in a panic, but the western leadership sure is.

  11. Why was there no uproar about Saudi intervention in Yemen as in the case of Russia’s intervention in the Ukraine? All this talk about rules based order is BS.

    When is Georgia’s referendum about going to war with Russia? That will be interesting. If they vote to go to war with Russia that could justify a Russian pre-emptive attack and annexing of the entire country.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  12. @Brooklyn Dave

    The consensus from what I’ve seen posted on the Internet is that they’d rather endure a month of Russian bombing to liberate them than eternity under the Kiev regime.

  13. SteveK9 says:

    Ukraine has been shelling Donetsk City with varying intensity, killing civilians, including many children since 2014

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  14. If he’s not saying the vote is fake, he’s saying that these people don’t have a right to vote for independence, and therefore have to be occupied and abused by the Kiev government. If that’s the case, he needs to explain why it is that Kiev has a right to rule over people who do not want to be ruled over by Kiev.

    Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden and all of these Zoglodyte criminals play by the rules you just laid out wherever they have set up their totalitarian, fiat currency Ponzi scheme. If the People reject their Ponzi scheme and the depraved, organized criminal, gangster lifestyle (which will inevitably end in conflagration) of the Ponzi schemers, then the vote is “illegitimate.” Or if the People are somehow able to ram through a victory, then the organized criminals throw a tantrum until the vote can be overturned (which was the case with the hopelessly compromised and conflicted Trump, who however imperfect, symbolized Christian values and conservative laws.)

    It’s simply amazing that the grassroots GOP leadership refuses to confront these criminals. One can only conclude that they’re as conflicted and compromised as is Trump.

    So in the face of a full generation now of exclusively Zoglodyte disasters starting with the 9/11 inside job, the US is now swirling down the toilet, and the vast Ponzi scheme is melting down. And it’s all because two or three generation of rubes and defectives refused to confront the ((Jews)) and their lies.

    • Disagree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @Alrenous
  15. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Nothing drives US statist pissants up the wall like applying the authorities they wave around and garble.

    And what is the power that is finally confronting ZOG? A coalition if libertarian and liberal, anti-statist schizos? No, it’s a State power.

    The Judeofascists, Zionists, and Zoglodytes must be confronted with equal force. That’s reality. And when a full-on confrontation develops, the Zoglodyte schizos will be the first to fold, then the Zionists, finally the Judeofascists.

    Don’t worry, though. They’ll pop up again to torment the world. The Serpent always does whenever three ((Jews)) get together and form an echo chamber.

    • Agree: Passing By
  16. @Chris Moore

    “One can only conclude that they’re as conflicted and compromised as is Trump. ”

    Or, one can conclude that the stupid party office holders are onboard with the neocon criminals. It’s obvious that they have been ever since W’s reign, in which his entire administration was Neocon Central.

    W was as empty a vessel as Biden is, but he had even more neocons than Biden has. Biden’s crew has a lot of demented leftards in certain offices, where W’s crew was all neocons. As George Wallace observed, “There ain’t a dime’s worth of difference….”

  17. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:

    Chris Moore, we may have differing conceptions of statism’s opposite. Libertarians are just statists who want Goldman Sachs to do their central planning. The real antidote to statism is internationalism. And Russia is an internationalist state. Russia knows the Charter affirms their self-determination, so they enforce it at gunpoint.

    Internationalism is garlic to the Zionazi vampires because the black-letter law of human rights prohibits Jew Supremacy. Izzies signed up thinking they could worm out of it all with Talmudic pilpul but it’s designed like those sticky mousetraps, squirming out of it gets you stuck worse. When Israel ends nothing will be left but core human rights.

  18. Derer says:

    Were not illiterate Washington, so called “representatives”, and EU morons pushing for separation of Bosnia or Kosovo? In fact even Catalonia separation was on their agenda against Madrid opposition. How can these pathological hypocrites deny the self determination of former provinces of the Soviet Union dissolution. Hell, Ukraine was a province created at the discretion of communist Soviet rulers. Crimea was administratively shifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev.

    Washington dishonest elite have no mental capacity and physical, for that matter, to dictate their “world order” anymore. From 197 countries 147 opposed their sanctions on Russia.

  19. Derer says:

    They are now reduced in ambition to little Caribbean countries.

  20. I liked Russia in the Soviet days in the same way some people like crime trivia or popular serial killers. Later as a libtard I showed the correct ideological thought patterns and hated Putin ’cause he bad dictator man, I even thought “Putler” was a witty joke. I could not help being impressed by him in a negative way, though.

    Things changed when Syria happened, and later the Ukrainian civil war, Putin looked more and more like the good guy, and Russia like a viable alternative to the west, which seemed to become seriously demented as time went by.

    I don’t care if Russia loses big, I made a choice. What I do want to see is the mainstream media eating their words. They supported lockdowns, forced vaxxing and censorship. They repeat ideology and propaganda with no hint of self-awareness. They are evil to me and they need to lose everything they value, and to live their existence in despair.

    I don’t think that will happen, they’ll just pivot and forget about being wrong again, as is their way, but I can dream.

  21. @Avery

    Would US nuke Australia ? (Anglosphere) Of course not.

    Don’t be too sure about that. Don’t put anything beyond the Neo-crazies in charge. Australia is on the other side of the planet so the radiation fallout would be minimal in the US. Canada is a different story.

    • Agree: Avery
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  22. @Commentator Mike

    The UN Charter and International Law only apply when the US and its (((owner))) say it does.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  23. Chris Moore says: • Website

    The real antidote to statism is internationalism. And Russia is an internationalist state. Russia knows the Charter affirms their self-determination, so they enforce it at gunpoint.

    But the Judeofascists and their Fifth Columns can corrupt any internationalist authority, for example the UN. Why has Russia been forced to resort to protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine at gunpoint? Because the Judeofascist fifth column corrupted the Anglosphere, NATO, and the UN. It bought off the “international” rubes, hicks and goy with its Ponzi scheme filthy lucre.

    Look at how the ((Jews)) treat the Palestinians, and have been doing so for decades. The “international” UN hasn’t done squat. It’s corrupt to the core.

    The Judeofascist sociopath won’t stop — ever– until an equal force slaps it back. Russia has been fighting the Judeofascist bully for years now in the Mideast, too.

    Where were all these wine and cheese “internationalists”? They’re corrupt, shallow materialists, whores and reprobates, just like AOC, Pelosi, Omar… wined, dined and whored.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  24. Anonymous[694] • Disclaimer says:

    Right, the US and its Jew-supremacist client state do try to corrupt the UN, with mixed results. There are UN agencies and UN agencies. They’ve been fucking up the Secretariat since inception, so that’s pretty far gone. They’ve bought out the WHO to sell vax snake oil and end-run the BWC, so now that’s totally crooked. They infiltrated and corrupted the treaty body of the Chemical Weapons Convention so they could frame Syria for gas attacks.

    On the other hand they failed to fuck up the UNGA. They ran from ECOSOC because they’re so scared of us getting more rights. So those two bodies got together to write the Transnational Organized Crime treaty, and they kept the US from fucking it up. That’s important because the US government is essentially a criminal enterprise. The world has criminalized the US command structure and developed processes for dealing with its crime. UNESCO always gave the US fits, but recent indications are ambiguous. The UN’s not a monolithic thing, so you have to be specific.

    Absolutely right, the Zionazis will have to be stopped by force. So it’s good there’s a new sheriff in town with hypersonic nonballistic strategic MIRV platforms and nuclear ramjets. No US pols are internationalists. Internationalists in politics are shit through a goose.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes, Bro43rd
    • Replies: @JimBo-234
  25. @Notsofast

    Still, Paul Craig Roberts has been proven right. Per PCR, Mr. Putin should have done this 8 years ago when the legal government of Ukraine was overthrown in a neo-nazi coup by a bunch of Russia-hating Washington-funded thugs.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  26. ‘…President Biden: “The United States wants this war to end of just terms, on terms we all signed up for; that you cannot seize a nation’s territory by force. The only country standing in the way of that is Russia…”

    Farcical. What about our only ally in the Middle East? We support seizing territory by force, and stand four-square against efforts to reverse it. In fact, didn’t we just condone Morocco’s seizure of the Western Sahara?

    Guess why? If Russia could only figure out how to pay a big enough bribe to Israel…

  27. @Curmudgeon

    For precisely the reason you state, I too think that treating Australia as ipso facto non-nukeable is no longer a safe way to bet.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  28. “Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism” by Eustace Mullins.

    Rothschild Puppet’s Marxist Mind Control Speech

  29. Will it come to nukes? Silver lining: maybe NY will blow up.

    • Replies: @loner feral cat
  30. Seriously… at this stage, does Brandon even know who Hunter is? 😂

  31. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    >> Silver lining: maybe NY will blow up.

    If the RF will entertain suggestions as to the targets, then I would offer Nashville, Tennessee and St. Louis Missouri.

  32. @SteveK9

    Completely right. A couple more facts to drive home everybody’s understanding of the pure corruption and evil of the West in this conflict. All the evil committed by the Ukro-Nazis is 100% attributable to American

    –Since the 2014 US-engineered Maidan coup, the Ukro-Nazis began persecution of the ethnic Russians in the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, including shelling Russian civilian areas. The Ukro-Nazis defended themselves by claiming that the residents were shelling themselves. (Absurdly enough, the Ukro-Nazis used the same absurd excuse for their shelling of the Zaporozhia Nuclear Power plant — that the Russians were shelling themselves.)

    –The West organized two agreements between itself and the Russians to stop this persecution of the ethnic Russians in the Donbas, Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, agreements which the Ukro-Nazis and the West never intended to comply with. Merkel reportedly said that they only agreed to the Minsk deals to give the Ukro-Nazis time to harden their emplacements, pillboxes and trenches in the Donbas. The West never intended to stop their aggression against the Russians in the Donbas.

    Too bad Americans don’t realize the evil that has been done and continues to be done in their name.

  33. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Chris Moore

    in the face of a full generation

    Started in 1776 there bud. Turns out rebellion is a crime and crimes are done by criminals. Personnel is policy.

    I take it that, if you have any children, they’re sent to Prussian school.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  34. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Pierre de Craon

    They wouldn’t nuke Australia because they don’t have nukes themselves, and thus can get away with a conventional invasion.
    If Australia voted to secede from the UN and/or revoke Communism, then yeah the only reason America wouldn’t go Full Lincoln would be having it held up in committee.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  35. Alrenous says: • Website

    The sun rises in the morning.

    Bachelors are unmarried.

    Did you know that if you’re hungry, you should eat something? After eating, you will feel less hungry. It’s best to eat until you don’t feel hungry at all, and not overshoot.

    Brandon is a devout devotee of kto kogo, and will say anything as long as it supports his side and denigrates his enemies.

    The morning, indeed, is when the sun rises.

    Ha ha, I’m the best at explaining the obvious!

  36. “…that you cannot seize a nation’s territory by force.”

    So does this mean that the senile servant of Satan will soon be ending the illegal U.S. military occupation of territory seized from Syria?

  37. Stating the facts isn’t whining, Anglin. The referenda are sham and illegal. But such things don’t bother you Nazi supporters.

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  38. @Jim H

    Purported US hero Ape Lincoln…

    I laughed.

    Who was it who called Lincoln “The original gorilla”? McClellan?

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  39. @Patrick in SC

    It was Edwin M. Stanton, Dishonest Ape’s Secretary of War, who called him “the original gorilla”. Stanton said again and again that it was ridiculous for explorers to go to Africa to capture a gorilla “when they could find one easily in Springfield, Illinois.” Few more true words were ever spoken.

  40. meamjojo says:

    Ukraine has been holding back from overtly attacking original Russia territory.

    When Russia annexes these Ukrainian states and declares them part of Russia, Ukraine will not hold back from attacking them.

    So if Ukraine will now be attacking “Russian land”, then why hold back? Attack Moscow or St. Petersberg directly. Lob missiles into the Russian border towns. Plant car bombs. Poison water reservoirs.

    Challenge Russia to mobilize and watch their young people get killed and maimed.

  41. Why do I have to sign in?

  42. @Notsofast

    Mr. Putin was in fact a competitive judo practitioner, I believe, when he was at Leningrad State and in the KGB.

  43. The Russian speakers of the soon-to-be former Ukraine territories appear to be entering a new stage of development, and establishing free political institutions. I’m not sure what argument could be made against this.

    “We don’t like it” is the only argument the Americans have ever needed.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  44. This all feels like yet another chilling repeat of a dark and bloody past. Self-determination for all people had been one of Woodrow Wilson’s “fourteen points,” on which the undefeated German army had laid down its arms in 1918. Twenty years later, Hitler proposed a referendum on the Czechoslovakian question, so the people there could vote on which country they wanted to belong to. The Great War victors, led by French Premier Daladier, rejected the idea, fearing that the other ethnic minorities would also seek to return to their traditional homelands; and so the Sudeten territory and the 3.5 million Germans living there were returned to the Reich with stroke of a pen. The allies had carefully planned to contain a disarmed, dismembered Germany within an iron ring of hostile, artificial states for further plundering. The overwhelming vote of Austrians to return to Germany was the beginning of the unraveling of the imperialist powers’ schemes. Similarly, a few months later Hitler’s proposal to allow the 1.5 million people in the “Polish Corridor”, also land taken from Germany, to decide their future at the ballot box, was emphatically rejected. Ultimately these treacherous betrayals triggered a terrible and totally unnecessary war that ended (clearly, as planned in Washington and Moscow) with the US and the USSR sparring over the corpse of European civilization.

    But today of course, the lie persists that it’s all the fault of Evil Germany, just like Evil Russia can do nothing right today. As Shakespeare noticed long before, the good that men do is oft interred with their bones. Let us hope this time round the facts will be remembered and recorded honestly. If paper, pencils, and human beings still exist after the storm hits that the latest power hungry fool in the White House is provoking.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  45. At the risk of whataboutism, what about Kosovo’s current existence is consistent with European, much less Western, values?

    What about Catalonia? Or Wallonia?

    The West is crystal clear that it stands against self-determination, and further that it stands against freedom of expression and several other freedoms that are articulated in the European Convention of Human Rights, but all of which are caveated that such “freedoms” are subject to suspension in cases of national exigencies, of which there is no shortage.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  46. @Commentator Mike

    The Russians would find some support from minority peoples who are concentrated in three regions of “Georgia”:

    South Ossetia, inland on the border with Russia, where the majority will vote to join Russia if given the opportunity;

    Abkhazia, in northwestern Georgia on the Black Sea Coast;

    and Adjaria, in southwestern Georgia also on the Black Sea coast.

    It would be wise for Russia to tell those peoples, “once Russian troops have secured the territory and neutralized the Georgian military, each of your regions will have the right to vote on your future. You can vote to be independent or to join the Russian Federation, and we will ensure that your decision is respected. If you vote to join Russia, we will respect your right to continue schooling, TV, radio, and newspapers in your own language as well as Russian. [the opposite of what “poor beleaguered ukraine” did to Russian-speaking ethnic Russians in southern and eastern ukraine]”

    Then Russia, China, Turkey, Iran, India and Brazil all demand recognition and UN General Assembly representation for any newly independent country that results from the referenda in Georgia.


    After a couple years of people freezing to death, becoming malnourished, and fighting each other for food or gas (“petrol”) in Germany, perhaps people in the eastern German Bundeslaender (federal states) also will be open to leaving faggotized Germany and joining Russia.

    ** Russia can offer affordable multi-decade energy supply contracts to ANY region that leaves the EU and/or NATO, refusing to sell anything at any price to EU or NATO members. Same offer for any region that secedes from a hostile country (EU, USA, “uk”, Australia, etc.) and pledges political and military neutrality (agrees never to seek join the EU or NATO or the like).

    For example, Catalonia if it leaves Spain; the region of Wallonia if it leaves Belgium; Herzegovina if it splits from Bosnia as has been discussed, etc. And how about a sweetheart energy import deal for California if it secedes from the USA?

    All of the contracts to import oil, gas, metals, minerals, grains / meats / other foodstuffs from Russia should have a provision: if the importing country applies to join or joins the EU or NATO or any other political or military union or alliance, the contract terminates immediately and all the supplies stop coming.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  47. @Alrenous

    “Revoke communism”?

    Neither the USA nor Australia is remotely communist (and I’m glad). They are increasingly authoritarian surveillance / social-credit / “mandate” regimes where we don’t want to live, perhaps economically a mix of fascism and socialism (or crony state capitalism).

    But for better or worse, they’re not communist because the government (or the workers) do not own the means of production. There also is no guarantee of medical/dental care, housing, employment or much else for most non-wealthy people who are working full-time but are not “poor enough” to get help — doesn’t sound like a “social democracy”, let alone socialism, let alone communism.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  48. @Quartermaster

    Which country’s military has units wearing and carrying neo-Nazi symbols? “The ukraine” yes, Russia no. Try harder to earn that gang (government) pay.

  49. Notsofast says:

    it took eight years for the russians to position their country to be able to survive the totally predictable sanctions and to arm the country for the predictable military response of nato. imo the russians under putin’s direction have done a masterful job of setting up the west (with chinese help and approval) to be hoist with their own petard.

    this is why i’m so angry with pcr, as an “economist” he should be able to recognize economic war that is totally devastating the western economies. if putin had tried this eight years ago (as the west wanted him to do, laying the trap for him), russia would have been crushed by western sanctions that would have ruined his government and 5th columnists would have been unleashed from within russia to complete the task they started in the 90’s. very wisely putin put his own political house in order, rearmed, introduced hypersonic missiles giving russia the edge and ability to back up their fully justifiable demands for security guarantees with military action, (the only thing the west can understand).

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  50. JimBo-234 says:

    “Absolutely right, the Zionazis will have to be stopped by force. So it’s good there’s a new sheriff in town…”

    But have Russians finally seen, with open eyes, that a hostile ethnic group — or members of it — have acted against their interests since (at least) the attempted revolution of 1905 ? That 117 years of hostility have taken a deadly toll.

    (The fact that their hostility is based on persecution which never happened or was exaggerated makes the behaviour even more outrageous.)

  51. meamjojo says:

    Meanwhile, chaotic scenes at Russian conscription offices continue to trickle out – “playtime’s over”…

    Another revealing video. Scene inside a mustering station in Russia where an officer yells at angry, resentful men who have been mobilized.
    “That’s it- playtime’s over. You’re soldiers now!”
    — Patrick Reevell (@Reevellp) September 23, 2022

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  52. Alrenous says: • Website

    The USSA is so Communist the economy is now collapsing, and Australia is extremely Communnist.

    The difference between Communism and socialism is nothing. The difference between Fascism and Communism is that Fascists are insecure and timid and don’t push Communism as hard as they want to, because they like to eat.

    But for better or worse, they’re not communist because the government (or the workers) do not own the means of production.

    Fascist public-private “partnership.” The government de facto owns every business. Specifically every business above 500 employees, plus all the bakeries and such who have to deal with gays.

    Elon Musk’s great genius is somehow tricking the government into thinking they don’t own SpaceX, thus letting him run his own business.

    There also is no guarantee of medical/dental care, housing

    Communism causes massive destruction while failing to advance at all towards its putative goals, that’s why it sucks so much.

  53. Begemot says:

    Have you ever been in the military? “Playtime’s over” is the sort of thing an NCO in the US Army would say to reactivated reservists, not to mention recruits. Presenting this sort of thing as an indicator of a failing and/or unpopular mobilization is too weak. Up your game.

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  54. meamjojo says:

    So don’t believe your lying eyes and all the other news stories of so many at risk of being conscripted running for the exits of Russia.

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  55. Lurker says:

    “The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us; but he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. His attack is psychological”

  56. @The Alarmist

    Kosovo is run by a Mafia, the KLA, that specialises in sex, drug and human trafficking, and which allowed the largest US overseas base, Camp Bondsteel, to be built on its territory -Western values at their finest, I’d say.

  57. The statements about the “referenda” are not whining, Anglin. they are illegal and nothing but shams. But you like Nazi methods, so your stupidity is to be expected.

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  58. Begemot says:

    Mimi – I’ve seen many videos of volunteers and recalled reservists celebrating as they assemble to go into the army. If they are running, it is to the recruiting station. This, of course, doesn’t preclude the validity of your claim that some are running from service. How many Ukrainians deserted their country when this war began? Millions. MILLIONS! Such devotion to Ukraine. There won’t be anywhere near that many Russians who flee.

    Up your game, Mimi.

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  59. c matt says:

    Exactly. The validity of the referendum is neither here nor there. The question is what can be done? Like Capt. Jack Sparrows says. all that matters is what a nation can do, and what a nation can’t do. Let Biden soil his Depends over it – he can’t do anything else.

  60. @Notsofast

    Scott Ritter has also opined that Russia didn’t send in enough soldiers in his SMO to complete the task. 200,00 were not nearly enough, not when the Ukraine army, trained and backed by US special forces, was 3 times larger. Still, Russia is winning the war despite Ritter’s claim that Putin underestimated the resolve of the Brandon regime, which put the kibosh on any negotiations between the combatants.

    BTW, is anyone else getting sick unto death of Brandon’s tough guy act? No doubt aided by some secret amphetamine, Brandon sounds like a sad old man with dementia who yells at the neighbor kids to “get off my grass.” The other UN diplomats, forced to listen to his bile, had to be silently laughing, or maybe feeling sorry for him.

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  61. @Quartermaster

    If they are oh-so-sham, it would be the easiest thing to hold counter-referenda
    in Kharkow, Dniepropetrowsk and Odessa, with even internationaller
    observers (for obvious reasons no Jews) –
    that would finally show Putler!!!
    Oh … wait 😛

  62. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Started in 1776

    Actually, the ((Jew)) Ponzi probably started in earnest around the time the Golden Calf alchemists and parasites rebelled against Moses in their fledgling efforts to exist as mooches and grifters, and was full blown by the time the Synagague of Satan moneychangers had Jesus crucified.

    The US was founded in rebellion against the British Empire’s usual pathological overreach; but had the Synagogue of Satan infiltrated the Empire by then? Who knows, but by the Victorian era, the ((Cousinhood)) had it fully comprimised.

    Britain is today a used up whore, and the US is quickly going down the same sad path. The only reason ZOG pretends to care is because it needs a viable host to continually parasitize.

  63. meamjojo says:

    I have a great deal for you on a bridge in Brooklyn! Right in the heart of the city. You can put up tolls and make huge$$$. Interested?

  64. ytcarl says:

    Pretty clever of Putin. Chess versus checkers, you could say. War mongers now have to spout “the elections were stolen!” stuff: Voter intimidation, voter registration trickery, stuffed ballot boxes, poll workers not being monitored and appointed by the ruling party.

    Of course the elections were irregular, taking place under war conditions. There ain’t no going back. Ethno-Ukranians were probably “ethno-cleansed” and skedaddled, reducing the voter rolls. But the majority of these people were ethno-Russians, from my understanding, and may well reasonably have voted to join Russia. There has been some low-level ethnic conflict going on in the Ukraine for a while, and they may well have voted their interest. To take the areas back now is gonna involve some “ethnic-cleansing” of some ethnic-Russians.

    Now is the time to end the war, truthfully, a good stopping point. The facts on the ground show that Russia has taken a large swath of the Ukraine, containing a large swath of ethno-Russians, and can probably hold on to them. Mission accomplished for Putin, who is now bleeding out support at home, and may be amenable.

    At this point, the only answer to “rewarding invasions and war and ethnic cleansing” is more invasions (of what will now be Russia), war and ethnic cleansing.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think President Biden is up for any serious peace talks. He has been involved in the Ukraine for a long time, at least since the 2014 coup (when, as vice-president, he was flown out to glad-hand the conspirators. (Surely, Russia saw this?)). He’s not impartial, and seems ideologically and politically invested in a particular outcome. He’s undiplomatic, and may have ramped up conflict with Russia beforehand, when he should have tamped down. He seems increasingly strident on a whole host of issues that seem sure to create more and harder enemies. Sometimes you make nice, you know?

    Sorry to sound like an appeasing, soft-headed peacenik, but yeah: a good time to end the war.

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  65. Dumbo says:

    It’s kinda funny to watch Biden — Biden of all people! — complaining about “sham elections”, LOL. Compared to the U.S. elections, the referendums in the Donbass are extremely clean and transparent. No dead people voting there.

  66. Notsofast says:

    the fact that russia started the smo at a 3 to 1 disadvantage is the reason he said they are rewriting the text book. the u.s. and e.u. have upped the ante several times and now the russians will respond in kind.

    btw, yes, i believe everyone is sick to tears of the big guys tough act, i wish cornpop would pull a straight razor and finish the job, becoming a national hero in the george floyd, blm, manner.

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