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Yeah I’m sure the Ukraine won’t use these systems to attack Russia, just like they didn’t use those attack helicopters to attack Russia.

Let’s just keep this thing going a couple extra weeks…

RT:

The US will provide Ukraine with “more advanced rocket systems,” President Joe Biden revealed in an article published in the New York Times on Tuesday.

Washington agreed to send multiple rocket launchers after Kiev gave “assurances” that the long-range weapons will not be used to strike Russian territory, several media outlets reported on Tuesday, citing White House officials.

The M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) can hit targets as far as 50 miles away. The planned shipments are reportedly part of a \$700 million military aid package for Ukraine that is due to be announced on Wednesday. The deal is said to also include more Javelin shoulder-fired anti-tank missile systems, various radars, and ammunition.

Biden signed a bill last month that provides Kiev with \$40 billion worth of aid. In his article, Biden wrote that he had decided to “provide the Ukrainians with more advanced rocket systems and munitions that will enable them to more precisely strike key targets on the battlefield in Ukraine.”

Biden earlier this week said he wasn’t going to do this, but that was apparently just yet another senior moment.

The weirdest thing about this is that “Joe Biden” actually penned an op-ed for the Times to announce this.

I guess this is intended to… send the world an assurance, at a time when the Ukraine military is globally acknowledged as having been felted?

It’s a pretty significant double-down.

He said he’s not going to invade the Ukraine, but he’s going to keep encouraging them to fight to the last Ukrainian and to somehow reclaim the Donbass, despite the fact they don’t even hardly have a military left.

This is really just wacky.

It looked yesterday like the refusal to send these new weapons was some kind of admission that the war is lost. But hey – I guess not! Or rather, I guess it would have been that, but these people do not want to do that. They want every last Ukrainian goy male dead!

You know what might help? More sanctions LOL.

Serious question, Joe: do you feel in charge?

Just imagine that the best movie ever made has dialogue that bad. Maybe Joe is taking inspiration from it? “C’mon man! Dark Knight 3 is the best movie ever made! You’re telling me I have to talk normal? That’s a bunch of malarkey!”

But anyway: the missile systems – will this even keep the war going a couple extra weeks?

We’ve gone from Javelins, to Bayraktars, to Howitzers, to Harpoons, and now MRLS.

But what about MRLS?

Let me just check Wikipedia here…

Oh.

As it turns out, before the war started, the Ukraine had hundreds of these systems.

So…

Those were all destroyed by Russia during the first few hours of the war…

Sooooo…

So it’s just incredible how retarded this all is. This is the exact same thing as the debacle with the Polish MiGs. At the time that whole discussion was happening, the Ukraine literally had MiGs – and for that matter still does – and just didn’t have anywhere for them to take off/land.

Nothing here is making any sense to me. It hasn’t made sense to me from the beginning, and I always said that Russia was going to win, but I had no idea that the US would involve themselves to this extent, and create this ongoing lunatic campaign about how the Ukraine was destined by providence to march on Moscow.

At this point, we are so far beyond the pale, that I am sort of able to understand conspiracy theories about how the United States is losing on purpose for some reason. The problem with those theories is that they don’t have any explanation as to why the United States would want to lose on purpose, and I can’t think of any possible explanation other than that the US State Department is riddled with Chinese and Russian spies.

I think it’s just what I’ve said it is: these people have total power, they inherited it from other people for reasons other than merit, and they have no idea how to hold on to it. Then you have the issues with the entire system of order that runs the Pentagon, along with the fact that no one appears to be actually in charge of anything. You can say something like “Obama was a puppet,” but all that really means is that he was a puppet of interest groups – not that he was a literal vegetable incapable of acting on his own personal agency. With Joe, you have a vegetable. Maybe that would be workable in a situation where the stakes were not this high, but it can’t work in the current year. You can’t run a government this large in the middle of a crisis without some titular figurehead – everyone is just going to be doing whatever they want. So I think that’s also a big part of what you’re seeing – no one is in charge so people running different agencies are just acting on their own, and Joe is forced to go along with it.

In this situation with the HIMARS, Joe appeared to be having a moment of lucidity when he said he wasn’t going to send missile systems that could hit Russia. So who made the decision to change that?

Mark Milley just said yesterday that we need negotiations with Russia to prevent mass starvation.

Milley is a top kook.

So who is saying “no, let’s just keep going”?

Well, if I don’t know and you don’t know, then a lot of people working in the government don’t know.

Since the battle of Donbass started weeks ago, it’s become more clear every day that the Ukraine is felted. Now, no one can deny that. They’re losing more every day, and Russia’s territorial objectives are nearly complete, as the Zelensky government is running around pulling random dudes off the street and forcibly conscripting them because 2/3rds of their military has surrendered or been captured.

And this is the time Joe decides to pen an op-ed doubling down on support for the Ukraine war effort?

Who is making these decisions?

Addendum:

This is an interview with Colonel MacGregor from last week. I’ve been meaning to write about it for a week and haven’t done so yet, so I’m just going to drop it here.

MacGregor was one of the main experts on this situation, and was agreeing with me from the beginning, and also got the timeframe wrong. He explains, among other things, that no one thought the US would go all-in like this, but at this point, there is really nothing more they can do.

What can they do? They can send US/NATO troops in. Beyond that, I just don’t even understand what we are talking about here. I just feel confused.

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  1. Its really not that confusing. American political elites have used Ukraine as a slush fund for a long time. This is looting of the treasury stage of empire collapse. They knew ukraine was a loss from the start, at best the CIAniggers could create an insurgency against russia anywhere in Ukraine after the open loss or both didn’t work and the west has gotten Russia to liquidate white nationalists, NatSocs, etc that flocked to Ukraine after Maidan. Dead goys, fed and moneyed political elite, and more attrition on tribal rivals for WESTZOG. Like I’ve said the Russian youth are vulnerable from liberalism.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/05/31/the-generational-divide-in-eastern-europe-the-stability-generation-the-youth/

    • Agree: Jim Christian, JR Foley
  2. General Milley is a joke. He’s a civil servant who choose the Army over the post office 30 years ago.

    Go take a look at an official portrait of Eisenhower or Patton. General Milley has more ribbons and decorations than both men combined, and they WON their war.

    Remember the 80’s when you’d see a picture of a third world leader or general and he’d be in a uniform covered with medals, and it was ludicrous? That’s our Army Chief of Staff.

    • Replies: @aldasfail770
  3. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    How could the U.S./NATO really amass troops and send them into to fight in Ukraine??

    Look at the massive preparation that it took for the Iraq War. Roughly six months with huge logistical issues. I live near a major U.S. airbase and the operations were going on 24/7 for months. This was against a third-rate military. And before the ground forces even ventured into Iraq the U.S. had been doing around-the-clock bombing for months. And unlike the Russians in Eastern Ukraine, the U.S. was destroying civilian infrastructure and anything of any significance militarily or otherwise.

    So now you want to start a war with a heavyweight, who can not only punch back but lay you out and kill you if he wants to. He’s got unstoppable hypersonic missiles that can obliterate any forward operating base, any logistics base, any fire base in the theater of operations within seconds. If that doesn’t halt any aggression he can hit any main operating base in minutes.

    And of course, your enemy, if necessary, can ultimately wipe out a land mass the size of Ukraine anywhere in the world in minutes with one RS-28 Sarmat. But whatever, how hard could it really be taking on the Russkies when you were able to take on goat herders in Gardez and pacify mud shack villages in Kunduz and only lose 3500 troops and 4000 contractors??


    Kickin’ butt and takin’ names! Hooah all you doubtin’ motherfuckers, Uncle Shlomo is coming for you next, Ivan!

  4. Alrenous says: • Website

    Don’t assume Biden knows what he’s saying or why he’s saying it. Since he doesn’t know what he’s saying, conflicts with himself are inevitable.

    With 100% certainty that op-ed was ghostwritten. The ghostwriter is receiving orders from someone different from Biden, that’s all. Note that Biden could be telling himself what to say and this would still be true. Or maybe the ghostwriter had old orders, who knows.

    The responsibility-laundering system is slow. The actual elites spend far more time covering their tracks than they do offering leadership, because by far their biggest threat is other American elites figuring out their name. In wartime, it’s too slow to offer any leadership at all, and America runs around like a chicken with its head cut off.

    So, just like this.

  5. Jim H says:

    ‘I can’t think of any possible explanation other than that the US State Department is riddled with Chinese and Russian spies.’ — Andrew Anglin

    Now apply Occam’s Razor:

    ‘I can’t think of any possible explanation other than that the US State Department is riddled with neocon Jews.’

    Simple, elegant, and correlates with events of the past quarter century.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Thanks: Angharad
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  6. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    Obama was a puppet? Yes and no. He was third-generation CIA nomenklatura, son of spooks, grandson of spooks.

    https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/10/01/a-company-family-the-untold-history-of-obama-and-the-cia/

    He was groomed and vetted for the job from college days. His mom sat him down and told him, Barack, you can’t just get baked all the time, you got to be the president. Russ Tice reported that Cheney had NSA surveilling him at the ECI (≡SI) level while he was a pissant state senator. So he’s as hot a shit as GW Bush or Richard Blee.

    Cadres or not, CIA keeps their heads of state on a very short leash. He had a ventriloquist just like every president does, Rhodes, an utterly unqualified empty suit who rehearsed him on the scripts CIA sent. At the merest itty bitty demur at CIA directives for blowing shit up, he would get herds of horseheads in his bed:

    https://whowhatwhy.org/justice/criminal-justice/the-military-and-those-strange-threats-to-obama/

    Biden is a figurehead of a different sort. Whereas Obama was callow and mediocre, Biden is bribed up the ass. Biden’s whole crooked family is blackmailed. And he’s a vegetable. Don’t for a moment imagine that he’s not in CIA’s complete control. Drift and chaotic adaptation is not a slipup for CIA. That’s how CIA makes their money and tops up the covert ops slush funds. They fuck shit up for fun and profit. Chaos promotes transnational organized crime, and that’s their raison d’être.

    The ineptitude lament is a canard of spooks like Phil.

    • Thanks: Rahan
    • Replies: @Anymike
  7. Imagine winning the presidency and then writing an op-ed for a newspaper. What’s next, calling in to the Dr. Laura show for advice?

    • Replies: @meamjojo
    , @36 ulster
  8. Let’s say the actual decisions are in the hands of a shadow government of influential neocon Jews.

    Their eyes are on the distant past and future. When in doubt, get the Goyim to kill each other, and keep them divided as much as possible.

    Jewish supremacists excel at taking advantage of instability: black markets, monopolies, wars, currency manipulation, engineered chaos, fear. Peaceful co-existence is their enemy.

    They don’t know how to make peace and don’t want it anyway. The NATO East-West Cold War is the consolation prize for not getting control of Russia.

    Rocket launchers in Ukraine can keep the tensions simmering, just as rockets lobbed from Gaza serve Israeli hard-liners.

  9. Smarby says:

    The problem with those theories is that they don’t have any explanation as to why the United States would want to lose on purpose

    One of the bullet points for Agenda 2030, right up there with You’ll Own Nothing And Be Happy, is the US being replaced as sole hegemon by small group of powerful countries. The US losing on purpose being a part of that plan makes sense to me. It’s not like any American, even the bleeding heart types, would willingly give that status up. So how would we be convinced to give it up or not fight for it?

    Well what if the nuclear family unit were gutted, everyone was encouraged to be gay, feminist, or otherwise “diverse and inclusive”, and then all of those people flooded the bureaucracy and military?

  10. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:

    It would certainly earn the U.S. military and NATO some global street cred if they took on Russia directly in Ukraine and won!

    It would be kinda like some flashy, rich, middle-aged white dude sentenced to 10 years for fraud in Trenton State Prison and looking to keep up his image and get some prison cred by simply picking the biggest, toughest, triple-lifer black guy and kicking his ass in a fight. Simple enough. Wasn’t that the advice your upper-middle-class suburban high school buddies told you is the way one survives prison??

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  11. General Mark Milley

    Rosie O’Donnell Impersonator

  12. Unit472 says:

    I have no idea what US weapon systems will be supplied and I suspect Joe Biden doesn’t either. He doesn’t run DoD. If his knowledge of military weapon systems is anything like his knowledge of civilian firearms he can’t tell the difference between a BB gun and an AR-15 or a MLRS or a Harpoon missile ( which Ukraine is now equipped with).

    It might not matter anyway as Boris Johnson and some other European nations seem ready to supply Ukraine with whatever they need. The real problem might be who will supply Russia who seem to be running out of front line munitions and combat troops. Trains loaded with 1960’s T-62 tanks have been photographed heading to Ukraine. If Russia is reduced to using such equipment they are finished.

  13. Biden earlier this week said he wasn’t going to do this, but that was apparently just yet another senior moment.

    He isn’t sending the long range rockets.

    That is what they wanted.

  14. @Anonymous

    It would certainly earn the U.S. military and NATO some global street cred if they took on Russia directly in Ukraine and won!

    Any type of war between NATO and Russia would lead to nuclear destruction of the world.

    Maybe watch fewer Hollywood movies and read more about ICBMs.

    • Replies: @SteveK9
  15. Dumbo says:

    Biden at this point probably can’t even sign his own name, so I doubt that he “wrote” anything. Someone at the NYT wrote something and they asked (or ordered) his handlers at the White House to publish it under Biden’s name.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  16. JasonT says:

    “The problem with those theories is that they don’t have any explanation as to why the United States would want to lose on purpose,”

    The answer is simple. The U.S. is occupied territory for the families in control of the international banking cabal behind the WEF/Davos crowd, and the plan is to destroy the world’s economy so that the self-same families can ‘build it back better’ – for them, of course.

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
  17. Old Prude says:

    No one is in charge, so everyone is doing their own thing. Buttagig is playing mommy. Miley is playing Army, Majorkas is doing what he can to trash old America. Everyone is basically running their own show because no one is in charge. The administrative state trundles on towards their pensions.

    The problem is, some jack-asses are pouring our money and arms into a conflict with a nuclear power, and no one is in charge to stop them from their folly. No one has the balls and brains put an end to the foolishness. That’s supposed to be the President’s job, but a dementia patient was installed to keep a wrecker like Trump from spoiling the party.

    • Agree: Sam hildebrand
  18. Phibbs says:

    Jew-venom for Caucasian-Chrisitan Russia is all over the Jew-owned/mainstream media. The Jew-owned politicians in Washington D.C. spew venom against Russia. This is mostly a Jew war against us Caucasian-Christians in Russia and Ukraine. Jews hate us Caucasian Christians in America, too. They have been coming for us for decades.

    • Thanks: Sir Launcelot Canning
  19. @Unit472

    That is one possible interpretation of the new infusion of older tanks. But since Russia has over 25,000 serviceable tanks in its arsenal, and has used by best estimates some 8% of them in this SMO, the movement of older tanks likelier represents a potential planned expansion of the operation, now that the Donbass phase 2 operation, by everyone’s admission, is nearly complete–and suggests that the nearly complete lack of real resistance (other than UAF hiding in soviet era bunkers in industrial zones) doesn’t require use of elite equipment to extend the operation out to Transnistria. But since the Russian MOD, unlike Brandon and the gay actor, keep their mouths shut, everything is guess or conjecture.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  20. SteveK9 says:
    @John Johnson

    ‘Small’ nuke of say 150 kT = A 300 million pound bomb. A single Russian nuclear sub has 16 Bulava missiles with 10 warheads of this size.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
    , @John Johnson
  21. Emslander says:

    Am I the only reader who thinks that AA has already overused the Unabomber-coined word “felted”?

    • Disagree: Catdog
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Alrenous
    , @bike-anarkist
  22. G. Poulin says:

    I doubt that Joe really wrote that. I doubt that Joe could even write “Please change my diaper, somebody” at this point.

  23. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Emslander

    Have to agree on overuse of ‘felted’, reminds me of that disgusting word the pope used for some disgusting homo sex act.

  24. lavoisier says:
    @Jim H

    ‘I can’t think of any possible explanation other than that the US State Department is riddled with neocon Jews.’

    And Gentile lackeys.

  25. ross23 says:
    @Unit472

    This has already been explained, they are just using the old stuff for peacekeeping jobs like manning a cross road miles behind the front line.

    They could station men in a fox hole or light armoured truck or an old but effective tank with a big gun and armour. They chose the tank.

  26. meamjojo says:

    He said he’s not going to invade the Ukraine, but he’s going to keep encouraging them to fight to the last Ukrainian and to somehow reclaim the Donbass, despite the fact they don’t even hardly have a military left.

    Wrong way Andy, as usual. You’re letting your fantasies escape with your farts.

    Zelenski says that Ukraine has 700k soldiers. Russia has maybe 100k (after losing 30k) and many are demoralized and unhappy. Ukraine is king Ruskie butt.
    —–
    Zelenskyy: 700,000 soldiers are defending Ukraine today
    SATURDAY, 21 MAY 2022, 11:12

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/21/7347610/

    • LOL: Ummm
    • Troll: Lurker
  27. meamjojo says:
    @Sollipsist

    Writing that editorial is a great idea! I hope he does it more often.

    As of just now, there are 2058 replies and the vast majority seem to be positive, agreeing with Biden’s messaging.

    Comments are still open, so possibly time for you to get over there and add your 2 cents. Although, the commenting standards are somewhat higher at the NYT, so you might not be able to make the grade.

  28. meamjojo says:
    @SteveK9

    Wouldn’t it be funny if the USA knows where all of Russia’s subs are and could take them out whenever we wanted?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  29. 36 ulster says:
    @Sollipsist

    WINNING the presidency? As for the op-ed allegedly written by Brandon, don’t forget that there are authors (e.g., John F. Kennedy) and there are writers (e.g., Ted Sorenson).

  30. It all seems a mystery to me too, Mr. Anglin.

    It must be the case, that The Civil Servants, who actually run The U.S. GAY, are completely disorganized, grabastic, pieces of amphibian shit, operating on inertia.

    It’s a damn free-for-all and they’re probably gonna blow up The World.

  31. Cookie says:

    Who says the arms are going to even get there?

    Who says the aid will ever get there?

    There will be some PR that shows Ukrainians with these weapons or mobile hospitals but most of this money will be creamed off for other purposes.

    Remember the Rothschilds made huge sums of money betting against Napoleon with advanced information…criminals use such crises to become even more powerful and rich.

    The loses are the dupes who get up every day and toil away for the propaganda line of a “better society.”

    Does it look better to you?

  32. @Unit472

    Thank you for delivering the latest Ukrainian propaganda, it’s always fun to watch.

    The video of the Russian T-62 tanks being transported by train, that is currently circulating on Ukrainian web sites is from four years ago, when Russia reactivated the last couple of hundreds of these they had been keeping in storage and sent them to Donbas, as a gift to the militias. Then it was widely reported and discussed on social networks.

    Soviet Tanks Reactivated in Russia’s East
    https://medium.com/dfrlab/putinatwar-soviet-tanks-reactivated-in-russias-east-a81a111051a1

    For your information Russia has in its possession 7,000 T-72 tanks in storage and 2,000 in service; 3,000 T-80 tanks in storage and 500 in service; 200 T-90 in storage and 800 in service. This is according to the IISS, a British research institute for strategic studies. That means that Russia has 13,500 tanks in possession, not including the newest T-14 Armata.

    The Military Balance 2022. Routledge. pp. 192–195
    https://www.iiss.org/publications/the-military-balance

    Have a nice day.

    • Replies: @j2
  33. @meamjojo

    What are you butthurt about? You throw more half-chewed thoughts at the Unz wall than anyone. Go count NYC comments again.

  34. Sean says:

    What MacGregor said about Sweden being motivated by a desire to freeload off of America defence sounds right; Germany has always done that. Still, it is difficult to see Ukraine ending this war or America not reacting to Russian successes with greatly increased aid. Girkin has pointed out the de Nazification and demilitarizing of Ukraine objectives have already been quietly dropped. This war is not about anything beyond a test of resolve now, and that is why it may well be difficult to end.

  35. @American Citizen

    Sadly this trickles down the ranks. As a First Class Petty Officer with 10 years of service I already had 4 rows of ribbons and medals along with multiple stars. It is common for Chiefs and above to have even more and the higher you go the easier the medals are to get.

    I earned a Navy Achievement Medal NAM for completing a extended 10 month deployment. I was a Third Class then. As a First class I earned a Navy Commendation Medal (which outranks the achievement medal and worth more points on advancement at the time) for the extreme hard work of none of my Men I supervised had gotten a DUI or went to Mast in the preceding 12 months.

    The worst I ever saw however was this. An LTJG female just got to the fleet and was landing a night flight where she misjudged the runway and her port landing gear tire landed in the dirt which caused at least a million dollars in damage. She was awarded a Meritorious Service Medal for supposedly saving the aircraft from further damage. When she got out of the aircraft she was crying like a little girl and claimed the steering pulled her left which was easily proven not to be true. She tried to blame the enlisted maintainers for her blunder and because she was the first chick officer in the command she was rewarded with a decent medal for advancement. Most modern medals are “good job at doing your job” or ” you were here for over 90 days” garnish.

    Modernity is a sad joke.

  36. @meamjojo

    As of just now, there are 2058 replies and the vast majority seem to be positive, agreeing with Biden’s messaging.

    According to sanitized polls his approval rating is ~ 40% going by the lying press.

    The NYTimes is deleting the bulk of those replies. Your guess is as good as mine.

    My guess is 10% of the people approve of the dementia patient and 20000 replies were deleted.

  37. At this point, we are so far beyond the pale, that I am sort of able to understand conspiracy theories about how the United States is losing on purpose for some reason. The problem with those theories is that they don’t have any explanation as to why the United States would want to lose on purpose…

    As I see it, it’s not that “the United States would want to lose on purpose”; rather, it’s that they can’t back down because if they do they lose. I believe the Satanists will keep doubling down until the “United States” is wiped off the map.

  38. Wokechoke says:

    Rockets are not for accuracy. They are designed as a way to obliterate an area.

    This will just get worse for Ukraine.

    Biden is the child of a family who earned a fuckin’ firtune supplying arms in ww2 BTW. His dad had a private plane at one time. He’s just the biggest arms dealer on the planet now.

    Did people know this about his family in 2020 elections? He’s a man of blood.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  39. @SteveK9

    ‘Small’ nuke of say 150 kT = A 300 million pound bomb. A single Russian nuclear sub has 16 Bulava missiles with 10 warheads of this size.

    So what is your point? Neither side can survive regardless of how many bombs or subs they have. The nuclear threats made by PutinTV hosts only shows how clueless they are.

    Go watch Wargames. The situation was summed up in an 80s movie and hasn’t changed.

    The dolts on PutinTV seem to think they would somehow survive more than 5 minutes. If they had a free press someone could ask them as to how that would be possible.

  40. @aldasfail770

    Most modern medals are “good job at doing your job” or ” you were here for over 90 days” garnish.

    Modernity is a sad joke.

    I reached a similar conclusion.

    When I was in college I watched these ROTCs get bossed around by this little female b-tch. That was a nice term for her.

    She would talk about guys she wanted to bang in front of her troop. A complete travesty but she ticked some female officers box.

    A liberal would assume that she must at least be talented even if her command is from affirmative action. No just a very average woman that would talk sh-t about the men under her command and also the military itself. I never would have believed it until I met her.

    The government actually put some annoying slut in charge of a dozen men.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  41. @Wokechoke

    Rockets are not for accuracy. They are designed as a way to obliterate an area.

    This will just get worse for Ukraine.

    These aren’t Katyushas.

    You and Putin seem to think we have been paying our military engineers to play solitaire all these years.

    The HIMARS can hit car from 40 miles away.

    This will just get worse for Ukraine.

    That was also said about Kiev.

    • Agree: meamjojo
  42. @Unit472

    Trains loaded with 1960’s T-62 tanks have been photographed heading to Ukraine.

    We probably all fell for a well-crafted 404 psyop, myself included.

    The rather brilliant trick of the 404 psyops crowd was to make their latest false media stunt inherently plausible for genuine operational reasons. It was a story that nobody needed to ‘debunk’, apart from the notion that Russia was doing this because it had run out of modern armour (which is preposterous).

    Sensible analysts immediately concluded that there’s actually a coherent operational rationale for bringing up old armour – namely to act as mobile armoured checkpoints and for ‘positional’ rearguard defence (e.g., at captured airfields), where a T62 would outperform a BMP1 or BTR80 for the simple reason that it’s a fucking tank.

    There’s also the notion that if 404‘s armour stocks have been “attrited”, then the T62s would not face much tank-on-tank action – any involvement is highly likely to be more like “404’s shtrafniki with empty bellies and half-empty mags… confront Granpa Simpson tank, which is still a fucking tank“. This is true even near the front, but doubly-so behind the front (and no, 404‘s shtrafniki are not loaded to the gunwales with Javelins and other: they barely have grenades).

    Also, the fact that the T62 uses 115mm projectiles is a bonus, not a shortcoming. Russia has plenty of such ammunition, as does Ukraine: everything younger than a T72A uses 150mm… and a 115mm HE will fuck shit up real nice.

    Those things by themselves gave the story ‘legitimacy’ from both sides of the conflict – with disagreements being pared down to “Glorious ground-based Ghosts of Kiev have blown up thousands of T72/80/90s ” versus “If you want to furnish armour at a checkpoint, it doesn’t need to be new“.

    I’m still on the fence as to whether the footage is real – but whether it’s real or not does not affect the operational justification for using old tanks in-theatre.

    The imagery is probably from transporting T62s for an exercise in 2018 – but that’s still arguable; the video quality on some video seems a tad too high to be older than about 2020.

    Last but not least: bear in mind that the British kept trainloads of ‘Convenanter‘ tanks traversing the British countryside during WWII, deliberately to feed fake intel to German spies about large-scale tank movements and give the impression that the Brits had more armour than they actually did. (The Convenanter was no good for much else – worst.tank.ever … but still a tank.)

  43. @John Johnson

    she ticked some female officers box

    You dropped an ‘l’ there…

    she tickled some female officers box

    Makes sense

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  44. Why should we celebrate for a whole month the fact that homosexuals take penises up their ass while trannies have their dicks & balls cut off to get fake ‘pussies’? Why is it called ‘pride’? Poo-ride maybe but pride?

    If homosexuals want the freedom to do homosexual things and if trannies wanna dress up as women, let them do it in their own place and time, BUT why must all institutions and industries celebrate homosexual butt-fuc*ing and tranny genital mutilation, as well as the grooming of children into the globohomo lifestyle? Why are cities putting on massive parades to honor sodomy and genital butchery? What a sick society we live in.

  45. meamjojo says:
    @aldasfail770

    The police in the USA also like gold bling. Note how most have little stars on the collars and shoulder decorations.

    But it’s not just the USA. Look at all the medals that the Russia’s wore in the May 9th parade.

    Says something about humans.

  46. Cris M. says:

    – couple things sort of in same space though not as connected here as is core, ukraine had one of the most rich soil lands for growing food, anywhere. That is why ‘they’ have been attacking there over a century, also to take out whites that are in tune with nature. They despise nature because it is or was our power to feed ourselves, and make weapons to stop them. The u.s. has some spanses of food lands but not what people assume, now mostly taken by cabalist types and gmo bs etc. Notice the tank in the green field shooting rocket. Need to bring facts closer together in mind. You can’t eat money. -cree indian saying I think. Ignorance, consequence.

  47. @Sean

    There are quite a few Germans who would be more than happy if Germany were allowed to stop “freeloading” this instant.

    The gall to call being occupied by an allied army “freeloading”!

  48. Ramstein says:
    @Priss Factor

    I agree. I read a quote some years ago that has stuck with me, and its message has only become more pertinent with the passage of time:

    “It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti

  49. @meamjojo

    How cute. A programmed (maybe even paid) true believer. Like the Washington Compost and National Pravda Re-education (NPR), the NYT is nothing more than state-supporting propaganda full of more lies than Joe and Hunter in a confessional. And if you think Creepy Joe had anything to do with writing an Op-Ed, I have a ski slope to sell you on Epstein Island.

  50. Kim says:
    @Kratoklastes

    or ticked could be licked

  51. @Sean

    ‘American defense’ does not exist. The US only ever attacks, always weaker States, preferably softened up by subversion, economic warfare and sanctions, Yanks being, generally, cowards. What is involved here is Imperial Tribute, to the USA via the MIC. The recipients of hundreds of billions in stooge regimes’ ‘defense spending’ are Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing, and US banks. Austfailia, after years of rabid Sinophobic hatemongering by the MSM, is to spend 200 billion or so nearly all of which will flow to US corporations.
    In particular the so-called ‘Australian’ Strategic Policy Institute has led the way in deranged race-hatred of China, with its cane-toad like spokesmen on TV incessantly, blubbering hate through multiple chins. Oddly enough this ‘Australian’ institute is financed by Lockheed, Raytheon, the US State department and others. It’s a racket, and one that will destroy this country.

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  52. eah says:

    There were reports yesterday (link, link, link) that Russia had targeted the Beskydy Tunnel with cruise missiles — this (fairly new) tunnel is part of an important rail link between Europe and western Ukraine; it is thought to be a main transit route for weapons and munitions from the West.

    I think Russia has no choice but to escalate attempts to interdict weapons (which will be used to kill Russian soldiers) — they may eventually have to (and probably should) issue an ultimatum about this to the West.

  53. @Priss Factor

    Hahaha…good one…Happy Gay Poo-ride Month.

    …and a meme is born.

  54. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Emslander

    I think it’s great when someone doesn’t feel obligated to have exactly the same vocabulary as everyone else.

  55. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    It’s called pride because pride is the deadliest sin. “Gays who need to repent month.” Not even trying to hide it.

  56. JR Foley says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    H R McMaster —Gordon Chang— Mike Pompeo —just 3 guys who know the score.

  57. eah says:

    An attempt to explain why the West sees the proxy war against Russia as so important:

    Gab/Dr. Ricardo Duchesne

    Dugin succinctly summarizes this Theory of Multipolarity and why the UKR war is a ‘decisive moment in the transition from a unipolar to a multipolar world’ (Civilization State, or the Multi-Polar World):

    Above all else, the aim of the West in UKR is to abolish Russia as a civilization, break it up into mini-nations with liberal institutions — and since liberalism is inherently against nation-states, implement thereafter the abolition of Russia as nation-state, as they are doing to European nation states via the EU, NATO, Human Rights and World Economic Forum.

    ‘The dominant paradigm there today is liberalism, which denies any sort of sovereignty and autonomy, abolishes civilizations and religions, ethnicities and cultures, replacing them by a forced liberal ideology, the concept of “human rights,” individualism (in the extreme leading to gender and transgender politics), materialism and technical progress elevated to the highest value (Artificial Intelligence). The goal of liberalism is to abolish nation-states and establish a World Government based on Western norms and rules.’

    Also:

    Gab/Dr. Ricardo Duchesne

    You can’t separate this (Video/We gave \$40 Billion and counting to this degenerate clown) from what’s going on in the UKR, why the West is obsessively trying to destroy Russia — these are now sacrosanct values of the West, they know that once white men are faggotized, it is over, the Great Reset will have no obstacles

  58. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Dragon wrote:
    “For your information Russia has in its possession 7,000 T-72 tanks in storage and 2,000 in service; 3,000 T-80 tanks in storage and 500 in service; 200 T-90 in storage and 800 in service. This is according to the IISS, a British research institute for strategic studies. That means that Russia has 13,500 tanks in possession, not including the newest T-14 Armata.”

    Dragon, you do not understand, but Russia really does have a problem with tanks. I will make a calculation to you so that you will understand it. Your data is basically correct, but not its interpretation.

    Before the war Russia had in active service 2,030 T-72 tanks, 480 T-80 tanks, 417 T-90 tanks and 20+ T-14 tanks. Together this is 2947 active service tanks. Additionally it had over 10,000 tanks in storage. Next, look at oryx page to see what tanks Russia has used in Ukraine. There are 747 lost Russian tanks. Of them 130 cannot be identified, so 747-130=617 tanks can be identified.

    Of these identified tanks 411 are T-72 models that are in active service (T-72B3, T-72B3 Obr 2016, T-72B and T-72B Obr. 1989). It means that 67% percent of tanks used in Ukraine were T-72 active models.

    Of the identified tanks 135 are T-80 tanks, all in active service. That is, 22% of tanks used in Ukraine were T-80 active service tanks.

    41 identified tanks were T-90 tanks, in active service. That is 3%.

    51 tanks were older tanks, not in active service. That is, of tanks used in Ukraine 8% were stored tanks.

    Oryx page does not report all losses. I have verified that Ukraine announcements of tanks and planes seem fairly correct. Ukraine announces that 1363 Russian tanks were lost. This implies that Russia has lost: 67% of 1363, i.e., 908 T-72 active service tanks, 22% active service T-80 tanks, that is 300 tanks, and 3% active service T-90 tanks, that is 41 tanks. Together Russia has lost 1249 active service tanks. Russia had 2947 active service tanks. Therefore it has left 1700 active service tanks. These tanks are currently used in Ukraine and in garrisons in Russia. In Ukraine there are c. 100 BTGs and each BTG has 1o tanks, so in Ukraine there are 1000 tanks. This means that for home land defense Russia has left 700 tanks. That is very close to the minimum.

    Of the stored tanks Russia has used in Ukraine only 8% of 1363, which is 100 tanks. Obviously Russia does not think that these stored, unmodernized, tanks are fit for modern war. They can be modernized or at least put into service condition, but probably at the moment they are not in a condition to be used. Some have active armour, like some 400 T-62s, but most are unprotected and they may have been cannabilized by taking spare parts. So, Russia cannot spare more active service tanks for the war in Ukraine, and for that reason has had to ask Belarus to give some T-72s. That does not seem so good, or does it?

    • Thanks: meamjojo
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  59. @aldasfail770

    Also former Navy, so I know what you mean. One of our “cranks” (FSA) got a NAM as an E-2 for cleaning the messdecks after hours. Yes, she was a minority female.

    To put that in perspective, Admiral Spruance got a Navy Com for winning Midway.

  60. @j2

    Well you really got it all wrong. Your calculations are incorrect either. But that’s not important, what’s important is that these ten thousand tanks in storage are in perfect condition. Kept in storage so that the arsenal can be resupplied when needed.

    The older tanks are the T-62 that were given as a gift to Donbas a long time ago.

    The T-72 that are in storage are modernized, either of B or B3 model, the upgrade package is modular and can be installed with ease. These tanks have reactive armor patched, have night and infrared sights, laser target designator and automatic reloading.

    Also the turret has double armor design with a hollow space in between. When it is hit with a missile like Javelin the blast is dispersed in that hollow space. The internal armor remains undamaged so it takes three or four missiles to kill it.

    These tanks can even drive underwater.

    • Replies: @j2
  61. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “The T-72 that are in storage are modernized, either of B or B3 model, the upgrade package is modular and can be installed with ease. These tanks have reactive armor patched, have night and infrared sights, laser target designator and automatic reloading.”

    You are overdoing your job as a propagandist.
    An answer to how many T-72B3 tanks Russian has from google:
    “558 tanks
    Now this MBT has a limited hunter-killer engagement capability. First upgraded T-72B3 tanks were delivered to the Russian Army in 2013. By 2020 a total of 558 tanks were upgraded to the T-72B3 standard.”

    The fact, whether you like it or not, is that those stored T-72 tanks are not modernized and they most probably have not been kept in perfect condition. Russia has not wanted to use those stored tanks in Ukraine. Ukraine does not want to use its stored 1000 T-64 tanks. This most likely is because neither Russian people (big Russians or small Russians) has the habit of storing anything correctly, and quite certainly, most of the stored T-72 tanks are not modenrized.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  62. @j2

    According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Russia has 700 of Т-72B and 1720 of Т-72B3 in service, and 7000 Т-72, Т-72A и Т-72B in storage.

    The Military Balance 2020. — pp. 196-202
    https://www.iiss.org/publications/the-military-balance/military-balance-2020-book

    And where do you get these ideas about how things are stored in Russia from?

    • Replies: @j2
  63. Anymike says:
    @anon

    I have called Barack Obama a “created” man. He is, of course, a natural human being, but all resemblance ends there. First of all, his maternal grandparents, who are the critical figures in the backstory, were leftists if not outright communists. The hereditary political left is a serious faction. Every child born is regarded as a potential asset and a plan to breed that child into the asset the community wants that child to become commences immediately. By all evidence, the control though loose and flexible, is persistent. Depending on the position and situation of the family itself, the aim for the child may be different – street radical or rough political operative for one, position as a professional or officeholder for another. People who understood the future better than the average American on the street had their plans for baby Barack from day one. Of course, the plans don’t always work out. It’s kind of like baseball. Many play, and few make the bigs. Barack was the one it worked out for, in spades.

    The problem for the political left is that Barack was such a narcissist. He did what was needed to preserve for himself a shred of a reputation in the eyes of history, and he governed as a Ivy League-Wall Street upscale liberal. Is that a surprise That’s kind of what he was. He was CIA and establishment all along too. It is possible that the reason why almost no one at Columbia University remembers him is because he wasn’t there most of the time. He might have been doing something for the “company” in some other part of the world but was registered in classes he didn’t attend. Another part of the deal could have been that he got his citizenship problems fixed for him. His citizenship only became a deal because he rose higher than he was supposed to. If he’d only been a mayor or even a congressman, who would have cared?

    Did it happen? Well, the “created man” part of it did. The part about the fake college record and doing work for the “company”? I don’t know. It is possible, but that doesn’t mean it happened in this individual case.

  64. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Russia has 700 of Т-72B and 1720 of Т-72B3 in service, and 7000 Т-72, Т-72A и Т-72B in storage.”

    Just to remind you that in your earlier comment you claim that in this same study Russia has 2000 T-72 tanks in service and 7000 T-72 tanks in storage. Now you say that according to this study Russia has 2410 T-72 tanks in service and 7000 tanks in storage. Make up your mind what you want to claim that this study says. (Just a hint, in 1990s the Soviet Union had 9000 T-72 tanks, so the sum cannot be over 9000, and actually Russia has 2030 T-72 tanks in service, thousands in storage (given as 5000-7000 depending on what is considered as a working tank, this uncertainty of the number is the reason Western analysts believe the tanks are not kept in good condition)).

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  65. Homo behavior is naturally excessive and obsessive.

    If an average straight male has 5 sexual partners in a lifetime, homos have hundreds. What does that tell you? Their lust in insatiable, and this bleeds into power lust and extreme narcissism and megalomania.

    This is why any society that lets homos run wild will end up with flaming homos burning everything down.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  66. @meamjojo

    But the U\$A doesn’t.
    Now, THAT”S real FUNNY!

  67. @j2

    This is unimportant, the numbers and the model index were rounded for convenience.

    To be precise, in that publication it’s said that with the Russian Ground Forces there are 530 T-72B3M, 850 T-72B3 and 650 T-72B/T-72BA in service and 7,000 T-72/T-72A/T-72B in storage.

    That doesn’t include the Airborne Forces and the Coastal Troops, of which the former have 160 of T-72B3 and the latter 180, plus 50 of T-72B.

    And better stop counting it’s embarrassing.

    • Replies: @j2
  68. @Emslander

    Old slang, but now it’s in vogue.

  69. @Priss Factor

    Homo behavior is naturally excessive and obsessive.

    Thire predilection to deviancy was noted as early as the 1900s by German researchers. They don’t simply pick a gay partner and stay in a relationship. They are drawn to all kinds of perversions.

    This is why any society that lets homos run wild will end up with flaming homos burning everything down.

    What they do is run up medical bills and our cowardly conservatives say nothing.

    The amount spent on HIV medication because they can’t even temper their wanton faggotry is insane.

    We are talking billions a year on medication and disability. Most can’t afford the meds so they go on disability for life. There is no GayInsurance group so if they are insured then everyone ends up paying for their irresponsible behavior through higher premiums.

    But our doofus conservatives get talked into debating gay marriage of all things.

    We don’t have private or public health care. We have a mixed system that lets fags run wild and take checks from the gov when the party is over. Meanwhile while the middle class get stuck with medical bankruptcies. F all conservatives for defending this stupid system.

  70. @Priss Factor

    Why should we celebrate for a whole month the fact that homosexuals take penises up their ass while trannies have their dicks & balls cut off to get fake ‘pussies’?

    It’s an unspoken medical secret that those fake pussies have all kinds of problems.

    There is no clean way of adding a vagina to a man. It isn’t supposed to be there. The male DNA thinks it is foreign.

    They don’t lubricate or clean themselves like real vaginas which makes them vulnerable to infection.

    None of this is discussed in the media. They talk about sex changes as if you are getting a makeover.

    Growing boobs from hormones is at least somewhat reversable but these fake vagina surgeries are madness. Only certain amoral specialists will even do them. Some of these fake women have to go to Brazil to get it done.

  71. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Dragon. Stop reading studies made without precise information. You have in the oryx page clear information of some of the losses (that is, those with visible evidence) of Russian tanks
    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    From this data you see that today they announce 749 losses of tanks in this war. Yesterday it was 747 tanks. I use yesterdays data as I calculated it yesterday. Form this data we can say what kind of tanks Russians have used. It is like this
    118 T-72B3
    103 T-72B3 Obr 2016 (this seems to be T-72B3M in some other statistics)
    136 T-72B
    54 T-72B Obr 1989
    These are all active service T-72 tanks, total is 411

    32 T-80BV
    64 T-80U
    2 T-80UK
    5 T-80UE-1
    1 T-80UM2
    26 T-80BVM
    These are all seem to be active service T-80 tanks, total is 135

    19 T-90A
    1 T-90M
    These are active service T-90 tanks, total is 20

    Additionally there are
    22 T-64BV
    18 T-72A
    7 T-72AV
    4 T-72BA
    These seem to be from storage, total is 51

    The total os lost tanks is 747. Of them 130 cannot be identified, so identified tanks is 617. We
    calculate what percentage are active service T-72, T-80, T-90 and tanks from storage:
    67% T-72 active service
    22% T-80 active service
    3% T-90 active service
    8% tanks from storage.

    In this way we see what tanks are really used by Russia in active service. If you want to be a military analyst, you better learn doing such calculations. Do not blindly trust any book or study on military equipment! These are never accurate. Nor does the Russian army give accurate data. Data in different sources always differs. But oryx visual data should be a fairly good statistical sample. It is possible that T-90 tanks are more survivable and their number should be higher, but this is not so likely as tanks have been abandoned, captured, shot with NLAW/Javelin/artillery that can destroy any tanks. So, it seems to be so that Russia keeps its newest T-90 tanks mostly out of this war. And when you calculate that Ukraine estimates that Russia has lost 1363 tanks (yesterday), we find that
    908 T-72 active service tanks lost of 2030, that is nearly half
    300 T-80 active service tanks lost of 480, that is over half
    41 T-90 active service tanks lost of 417, that is one tenth
    100 tanks from storage lost out of over 10,000, that is 1 out of 100.

    You must conclude that there is something wrong with tanks in storage. They are not used in this war. They may be fine, but without oil, to be cleaned, something is stopping them from being taken to this war. Instead, Russia sent to Ukraine T-62 tanks. They had additional armour and they were already used in Chechenia, so some special upgraded set of tanks (about 400).

    Really, Dragon. To do military analysis you must make calculations and use several sources. You also have to look at the map and follow what happens in the battlefield. You cannot just look at pictures of weapons and handbooks of military equipment. That is not any analysis. Read the analyses in Institute for the Study of War, and the report of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the map in liveuamap (and better maps, there are those), and reports from several generals who comment this war. Then compare this information with your calculations, then you get some view of this war. So far you seem like a poor amateur and an equally poor propagandist.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  72. Cookie says:

    This war would go a lot quicker for Russia if they targeted the fallback points of the Ukraine military.

    Ukraine is buying time by dropping supplies at fallback point and fighting at each point until resources are exhausted, then they move back to the next point.

    Russia is blocking supply to the current fight but should also destroy the fallback point disrupting Ukraine tactics and causing panic.

    The tactics should always be evolving to disrupt what the enemy is trying to do.

  73. KrisP says:

    Please write better headlines. This one is terrible.

  74. @j2

    What’s “the oryx page” who are them?

    And as you have been told Russia sent all of the remaining T-64 tanks to Donbas four years ago. Your oryx page doesn’t see a difference between Russia and Donbas, being as dumb as you.

    And what makes you think that the Russian army doesn’t give accurate data while the report of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is accurate? And if you are not a Pole than why do you reference Polish videos? How do you understand what is being said? You might be a Ukrainian of course who learned a few words while picking strawberries during seasonal work in a Polish village.

    Or a Lithuanian who are all bootlickers.

    Whatever, in any case, if my comments are too amateurish for you find yourself a better doctor.

    • Replies: @j2
  75. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    OK, I answer to you:

    “What’s “the oryx page” who are them?”

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    Oryx page it maintained by some hobbyist: Stijn Mitzer in collaboration with Joost Oliemans, Kemal, Dan and Jakub Janovsky. Mitzer seems to be Dutch. No connection to either Russia, USA, Ukraine or intelligence agencies. This page collects visual evidence of losses, can be photos, videos, twitter announcements, death announcements etc. Click on any link to any tank and you see what tank they counted. There may be errors, but in statistics non-systematic errors cancel.

    “And as you have been told Russia sent all of the remaining T-64 tanks to Donbas four years ago.
    Your oryx page doesn’t see a difference between Russia and Donbas, being as dumb as you.”

    As Russia and Donbas separatists are on the same side, there is no reason to differentiate between these forces in losses. With Russian losses in this war we also include losses of Donbas separatists.

    “And what makes you think that the Russian army doesn’t give accurate data while the report of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is accurate?”

    Russia did give the number of dead Russians at one point. This number disagreed with e.g. information obtained from a Belarusian hospital sending dead soldiers to Russia. The number is agreed by all but Russians to be false. After that Russia has not given information of its losses in this war. Ukraine also does not give information of its losses in this war. I have calculated by other means estimated Russian losses in planes, tanks and men and my estimates, derived not from Ukrainian data but from events in the battlefield and tactics and weapons used by both sides give approximately the same figures as Ukrinform. Additionally I have one confirmation of a specific tank of the type T-80. This specific upgrade of T-80 is used only by one Russian unit. Their report of losses was obtained (i.e. leaked or stolen) and it gives their tank losses in a specific time period as c. 80. In this period Oryx page gives losses of this upgrade of T-80 as c. 40. From this I conclude that Oryx page gives about half of the real number. Multiplying the oryx number 748 lost Russian tanks by two gives just about the Ukrinform number 1348. This confirms that Ukrinform numbers are not much off. Russian information, like whether Ukraine is a country or not, are so false that they cannot be taken directly. However, official Russian army announcements in Tass giving numbers of Ukrainian losses seem reasonably correct. But this does not mean that their announcements of their own losses are correct. This is not much of a problem as they mostly do not give their losses.

    “And if you are not a Pole than why do you reference Polish videos? How do you understand what is being said? You might be a Ukrainian of course who learned a few words while picking strawberries during seasonal work in a Polish village. Or a Lithuanian who are all bootlickers.”

    Fine, I will explain. I am a Finn, but I married a Polish woman and speak Polish quite well. This video I just happened to watch from the youtube, not especially looking for one in Polish as it has text in English, but did not discard one that seemed to be in Polish as I can speak that language.

    “Whatever, in any case, if my comments are too amateurish for you find yourself a better doctor.”

    So, you are a doctor, and have to point it out in this site. OK, let us compare then if you necessarily want. I made Ph.D. in 1988, but after that I was full professor in three universities, one being military and in military, professor ranks as colonel, as to supervise colonel lieutenants you must be of higher rank than they, to give commands, I did give commands to them. How do you rank in military? But to say honestly, yes, your comments are amateurish.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  76. @j2

    Well for a Finn to be as hostile to a people that gave you independence and freedom and in fact made you a nation, is insolent and immoral.

    Since Russia and Donbas are separate armies, making assumptions with regards to the amount of tanks in the Russian arsenal based on the losses of the old tanks of the Donbas militias is plain stupid. Your professor days are long gone grandpa. Take your medications regularly. Dementia is a serious illness.

    This page collects visual evidence of losses, can be photos, videos, twitter announcements, death announcements etc.

    Exactly – photos, videos, twitter announcements – in other words bullshit. A bullshit page maintained by a hobbyist who has no access to any serious data. The Ukrainians have been recycling old footage from the Donbas war, and they also lie all the time.

    However, official Russian army announcements in Tass giving numbers of Ukrainian losses seem reasonably correct. But this does not mean that their announcements of their own losses are correct.

    But it does not mean that their announcements of their own losses are incorrect. Does it?

    A useful indication is here – they have captured 500 Russians, the Russians have captured 5000 Ukrainians. So make your calculations with accordance to this ratio and you will not be far from the truth.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @j2
  77. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “Well for a Finn to be as hostile to a people that gave you independence and freedom and in fact made you a nation, is insolent and immoral.”

    Finns are not hostile to Russia. Finland tried to have good relations with Russia ever since the Second World War and would have eagerly continued with good relations, except for Putin changing Russia into a Z-country and attacking Ukraine. Personally I am not hostile to Russians as a people. However, Russia as a country has always been a potential threat to all its neighbors. Finns did not believe it, we thought that those days passed when the Soviet Union fell. Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Poles thought so and were correct. If Russia would turn into a stable democracy, there would not be such a threat, but when Putin, or someone like him, is in power, this threat is real.

    As for this that Russia gave Finland independence and freedom and in fact made it a nation, it is a bit more complicated than that. Sweden lost Finland in the Treaty of Fredrikshamn when Sweden also had to make peace with France and become Napoleon’s ally. It is correct to say like Tolstoy that Napoleon gave Finland to Russia and this treaty made Finland Grand Duchy. Russia managed to conquer Finland in 1809 only because a conspiracy of Finnish officers, they surrendered two of the main fortresses without a battle. This conspiracy was a continuation of the Anjala conspiracy of Finnish officers with Catharine the Great. It is because of this conspiracy that Alexander II joined to Finland the areas that had been conquered in the Great Nordic War by Peter the Great. This is why Alexander II has a statue in Helsinki. Ad for these conspiracies, all conspiracies at that time were Masonic. Though the Anjala conspiracy was not directly made by known Freemasons, it was Masonic, as Napoleon’s France was Masonic. In 1918 Lenin gave Finland independence, but Lenin intended to turn Finland into a communistic country. The Soviet Union supported the Per side in the civil war 1918-1919. This war can well be called a proxy war of Russia against the legal Finnish government. Later, in 1939 Stalin attacked Finland and tried to change it into a people’s republic, which would not have been freedom or independence. This, it is not quite true that Russia gave Finland independence and freedom. Finland was made into a nation by Swedish speaking Finns in the time of national romantism starting to dream of a Finnish nation.

    “Since Russia and Donbas are separate armies, making assumptions with regards to the amount of tanks in the Russian arsenal based on the losses of the old tanks of the Donbas militias is plain stupid.”

    From the oryx data we can conclude that Russia has not used large numbers of stored T-72A tanks that it has. Therefore the data does allow us to conclude that Russia uses almost only tanks that are in active service. This is natural: when the peacetime army came to Ukraine, it had its equipment, this equipment was in active service. One can see in satellite pictures that in Russian garrisons there is outside about half of the equipment that was there before the war. From this we can conclude that Russia has not changed its main approach: for a military operation outside Russia, Russia uses only half of its military power. The rest is reserved for home land defense. So, my conclusions in this respect from Oryx data are not at all stupid.

    “Your professor days are long gone grandpa. Take your medications regularly. Dementia is a serious illness.”

    You have no idea how stupid such statements like this make you appear.

    “Exactly – photos, videos, twitter announcements – in other words bullshit. A bullshit page maintained by a hobbyist who has no access to any serious data. The Ukrainians have been recycling old footage from the Donbas war, and they also lie all the time.”

    This is your opinion. But as it happens to be, many Western countries (including Finland) have reporters, who have gone to the battle fronts and seen some of this lost equipment.

    “But it does not mean that their announcements of their own losses are incorrect. Does it?”

    Russia very seldom informs of its own losses. The time it informed of its own losses, the given number was false. I think you can use a multiplier two with Russian information of its own losses.

    “A useful indication is here – they have captured 500 Russians, the Russians have captured 5000 Ukrainians. So make your calculations with accordance to this ratio and you will not be far from the truth.”

    No, it does not, because the only source to 5000 is you. Let us see if it can be confirmed:

    Up to 16. April Russia had c. 700 Ukraine POWs
    https://tvpworld.com/59671716/some-700-ukrainian-soldiers-held-as-pows-by-russia-official

    In Mariupole surrendered in total 1730, most after being ordered to surrender by the Ukraine army after negotiations that promised their release through a POW exchange. This number includes the nearly 1000 Ukrainians that Russia claimed surrendered before the negotiations that was not confirmed by Ukraine and could not be confirmed in any way by independent sources.

    Together these make 2430. Incidentally the number of Ukraine POWs that Russia claims surrendered in Mariupole is 2,439. It seems that Russia gave the number of all Ukraine POWs it had captured when Mariupole defenders surrendered.

    How you come to 5000 POWs is a mystery. Maybe Russians again use a multipler 2 and 5000=2*2500.

    In order to calculate losses on either side we cannot use this Mariupole case. It is a large special case and must first be subtracted. I have made calculations of Russian losses in other and much more reliable ways. This your suggested way is highly unreliable, to the extent as being useless.

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  78. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “A useful indication is here – they have captured 500 Russians, the Russians have captured 5000 Ukrainians. So make your calculations with accordance to this ratio and you will not be far from the truth.”

    If you want to make a very rough estimation of the death toll from the number of captured prisoners, so a reasonable estimate is that dead is 26-29 times captured. Thus, Ukraine had to early April captured 600 Russian soldiers and Russia had captured by mid April about 700 Ukraine soldiers.

    We get the death toll in both sides to the range 16,000-20,000, which may be about correct. However, Ukraine figure are likely to be smaller as they use bullet proof vests and Russians mostly do the attacking. In general, estimating the death toll from the number of captured is very, very uncertain.

  79. @j2

    You are an ignorant and ill-mannered old fool.

    Russia as a country has always been a potential threat to all its neighbors. Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Poles thought so and were correct.

    Not really.

    For example let’s take the Lithuanians and Poles. They first occupied a large portion of the historical Russian territories and established the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Since then there were about ten wars between them and Russia, most of which were started by the Poles.

    Polish–Muscovite War (1609–1618), Polish–Russian War of 1792, the Polish Uprising of 1794 and the Second Polish War of 1812, Polish–Soviet War (1918–1921) – these wars were started by the Poles. And Russia was within its right to start the others, as the Poles were colonizing the Russian land.

    The Poles are liars. Just like the Ukrainians.

    Russia managed to conquer Finland in 1809 only because a conspiracy of Finnish officers, they surrendered two of the main fortresses without a battle.

    Russia would have managed to conquer Finland in any case. A conspiracy or not it doesn’t even matter but that’s a part of war too, however Russia would have won anyway.

    This is why Alexander II has a statue in Helsinki. Ad for these conspiracies, all conspiracies at that time were Masonic.

    “Freemasonry in Russia was outlawed in 1822 during the reign of Alexander I of Russia and a further crackdown was initiated during the reign of Nicholas I of Russia.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orient_of_Russia%27s_Peoples

    Later, in 1939 Stalin attacked Finland and tried to change it into a people’s republic, which would not have been freedom or independence.

    Stalin had offered a number of options to Finland, including exchange of those inhabited islands for a part of the beautiful Karelia, but the Finns declined the offer. Don’t blame the Russians – blame yourself.

    Thus, it is not quite true that Russia gave Finland independence and freedom.

    No, thus it’s absolutely true because both the land and the independence had been given to you prior to those later events, none of which was really done with a purpose to take it away from you.

    The truth is that we can see here what they call “no good deed goes unpunished” since you are no different from the Khazarian bastard nation of Ukraine – also created by the Russians.

    Shame on both of you.

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  80. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “For example let’s take the Lithuanians and Poles. They first occupied a large portion of the historical Russian territories and established the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.”

    The area that Lithuania took was part of Kievan Rus’, not your Russia. Moscovite Russia instead conquered Novgorod, also not originally part of Moscovite Russia.

    “these wars were started by the Poles. And Russia was within its right to start the others, as the Poles were colonizing the Russian land.”

    Those were not Russian lands, like Ukraine is not Russian land. Let us say, in old times there were wars and borders shifted many times. In more recent times Russia has been a threat to its neighbors and they have all wanted to separate from Russia.

    “A conspiracy or not it doesn’t even matter but that’s a part of war too, however Russia would have won anyway.”

    Maybe, maybe not. Sweden was to make a landing next summer, but Sveaborg surrendered before that time because of the conspiracy so that Sweden could not try to take Finland back. In the previous war (the war of Gustav III) Sweden was the winner, though the borders did not change.

    “Freemasonry in Russia was outlawed in 1822 during the reign of Alexander I of Russia”

    The Masonic conspiracy was not in Russia but in Sweden and among Finnish officers. Finnish officers were not Freemasons, but this reconfiguration was part of Napoleon’s new order. He first weakened Sweden, forced it into peace and to be an ally, only later attacked Russia.

    “Stalin had offered a number of options to Finland, including exchange of those inhabited islands for a part of the beautiful Karelia, but the Finns declined the offer. ”

    The three Baltic countries agreed to fulfill Stalin’s demands. They were very soon occupied by Russia.

    “No, thus it’s absolutely true because both the land and the independence had been given to you prior to those later events, none of which was really done with a purpose to take it away from you.”

    If you mean Grand Duchy, it was not independence and freedom: Russia tried to Russinize the country. If you mean Lenin, he simply wanted first to weaken the Tsar and later make Finland into a people’s republic, which would have been neither independence not freedom.

    “The truth is that we can see here what they call “no good deed goes unpunished” since you are no different from the Khazarian bastard nation of Ukraine – also created by the Russians. ”

    As you derive Russia from Kievan Rus’ (present day Ukraine), your country was created by Swedish vikings. You did not even have Slavic people in the area of Moscow at that time. Finns were in Finland and Ukrainians were in Ukraine, but Moscovites came later to their province.

    You know so remarkably little of history of these areas that I doubt that you even are Russian. Maybe you are from the Middle East.

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  81. @j2

    You have been misinformed old man. Let me help you understand how it really is. Follow me without a preconception and you will see the real history is different from that bullshit you have been taught.

    The area that Lithuania took was part of Kievan Rus’, not your Russia. Moscovite Russia instead conquered Novgorod, also not originally part of Moscovite Russia.

    The truth is there have never been more than one Rus’, or more than one Russia. The Kievan Rus’ is a term which refers to a historical period when the capital of Rus’ was in Kiev. Before that the capital was in Novgorod. After Kiev the capital was in Moscow, later in St Petersburg and then again in Moscow. During the entire time for twelve centuries there has been one state, one Rus’ – one Russia.

    What you are calling here Muscovite Russia is a reference to a period of three hundred years from the 13th to 16th centuries, and a short period of separation from the Novgorod Republic doesn’t indicate that there were two different Russias. Not more than the confederated realm of German princedoms, before the unification, indicates existence of various Germanies – in fact a lot less, because the Russians had one language and one common national consciousness the entire time.

    So saying something like what Lithuania took was not a part of Russia because it was a part of Kievan Rus’ is ignorant and stupid, as well as insolent. They couldn’t conquer more land, so Novgorod and Moscow remained separated for some time, while the large territories of the Rus’ had been colonized. That doesn’t mean that the state of Rus’ no longer existed, or turned into something else.

    The land was later liberated and unified again.

    Those were not Russian lands, like Ukraine is not Russian land. Let us say, in old times there were wars and borders shifted many times.

    Those were the Russian lands, and Ukraine was born as a nation as a result of the collapse of the USSR. Ukraine had not been a state or a nation ever before. Even as a republic within the Russian state it had not existed prior to the establishment of the USSR – unlike Finland, which was granted a semi-independent status.

    Yes there were wars and borders shifted, but there is a concept of historical territories, so let’s not forget that most of what is now Ukraine was a part of Russia, from when it was conquered during the war with Khazaria and to the time of Lithuanian occupation, and then from its liberation during the Russo-Polish War of 1654 to the establishment of the Ukrainian Republic within the USSR.

    Those lands had been a part of Russia for four centuries before the Lithuanians, and four centuries after. And there were no Ukrainians when this land returned to Russia – the Ukrainian language didn’t exist back then and the name Ukraine didn’t have a political meaning.

    The three Baltic countries agreed to fulfill Stalin’s demands. They were very soon occupied by Russia.

    Stupid.

    Those were the demands the three Baltic countries agreed to – to let Russia establish military bases, and there was no war so it wasn’t occupation. Not more than the presence of NATO bases there now is a sign of being occupied. No one is complaining about occupation now, and so the Finns will not when the Americans bring their soldiers and establish bases in Finland – until they leave one day.

    And then you will start talking, blaming anybody but yourself, like you always do.

    Grand Duchy, it was not independence and freedom: Russia tried to Russinize the country.

    Russia gave you a status no other people in the Empire had. You had almost full autonomy and no one was trying to impose anything alien on you. You had your religion and your language. You had to learn Russian also, but that means also – you had your newspapers in Finnish and what not.

    Of course the Finns had to learn to speak Russian being a part of the Russian Empire. There’s nothing bad about that.

    As you derive Russia from Kievan Rus’, your country was created by Swedish vikings. You did not even have Slavic people in the area of Moscow at that time.

    We do not derive, Russia as a state began in Novgorod and then it expanded and the capital was transferred to Kiev. When the Varangians were invited, the city of Novgorod had been a trade center and these Swedish vikings were still living in barns, and had no single town built at all – didn’t know how to do it.

    Moscow was founded in 12th century. The land where it stands is about two hundred kilometers north-west of Ryazan, two hundred kilometers west of Murom and Suzdal – the cities which were founded in the 9th century. The Russian people had lived there from time immemorial, even before the state of Rus’ was established.

    Finns were in Finland and Ukrainians were in Ukraine, but Moscovites came later to their province.

    The Finns were in Finland and the Russians were in Russia, but Ukraine didn’t exist – neither as a people nor as a nation, neither as a state nor as a culture, and even the Ukrainian language didn’t exist back then.

    The Ukrainian language appeared as a dialect of Russian during the period of the Polish-Lithuanian state, and then it was still a dialect, but it was then when it began to separate from Russian. When the Ukrainian Cossacks were writing a letter to the Sultan they were still speaking Russian.

    You have been taught fake history and for what is obvious – to be used.

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  82. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “You have been taught fake history and for what is obvious – to be used. ”

    I very much doubt that you can be Russian or anybody, who has lived in Eastern Europe, because people who are from some area usually know quite well the history of the area. They not only learned it in school but read history books and in general always know better than what your knowledge seems to be. You are from some other part of the world. I will correct some of your mistakes.

    Let us first check who were the earliest Rus’ people. The Chronicle of Nestor gives the list of peoples who invited Rurik to rule over them. These people were Chuds, Veps, Merias (all there Finnic), Eastern Slave (Ulem Slavs) and Krivihs. Now, look at the PCA-plot in the following paper, you see where Novgorod Russians fall. They are not Slavic, Ukrainians are Slavic and they are rather far from the original founders of Rus’
    https://indo-european.eu/2019/04/the-cradle-of-russian-expansion-an-obvious-finno-permic-genetic-hotspot/
    You get the same result from any autosomal DNA plot from Russia: Northern Russia is not genetically Slavic, it is admixture of Fenno-Ugrian (mostly Finnic) and Slavic.

    So, let us stop this nonsense of one people. Ukrainians were Eastern Slavic people, the people of Novgorod were admixed. They also spoke several languages, though later Eastern Slavic language (Russian) become prevalent. A common language does not make any peoples ethnically the same.

    “I wrote correctly: The three Baltic countries agreed to fulfill Stalin’s demands. They were very soon occupied by Russia.

    You write incorrecly: Stupid. Those were the demands the three Baltic countries agreed to – to let Russia establish military bases, and there was no war so it wasn’t occupation. ”

    Yes, there was occupation and it was easy because these countries had given military bases. The Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invaded and occupied in June 1940 by the Soviet Union.

    “Russia gave you a status no other people in the Empire had. You had almost full autonomy and no one was trying to impose anything alien on you. ”

    Poles had the Ks. Warsawskie. Russians tried to Russinize Finns, Poles and Jews, none of them accepted this Pan-Slavic effort.

    I have to stop now.

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  83. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “The truth is there have never been more than one Rus’, or more than one Russia. The Kievan Rus’ is a term which refers to a historical period when the capital of Rus’ was in Kiev. Before that the capital was in Novgorod. After Kiev the capital was in Moscow, later in St Petersburg and then again in Moscow. During the entire time for twelve centuries there has been one state, one Rus’ – one Russia.”

    You make it sound like a capital was changed, but the country remained. But it is not so, Ivan III the Great of Moscow conquered Great Novgorod in 1478. Moscow was province of Great Novgorod, like the area of Moscow had been a province of Kievan Rus’, but Moscow became Russia by conquering by arms the legal ruler in Novgorod. But there never was a single Russian people in genetic sense, as the people in Russia are not genetically the same. Especially, Great Novgorod was not Slavic, it was Fenno-Slavic genetically. But Ukraine was Slavic, they are generically similar to Poles.

  84. @j2

    What makes you think you are telling me something new?

    The Chronicle of Nestor gives the list of peoples who invited Rurik to rule over them. These people were Chuds, Veps, Merias (all there Finnic), Eastern Slave (Ulem Slavs) and Krivihs.

    Some Finno-Ugric peoples were with the Rus’ from the beginning, some still are. The Chuds, the Merians, and the Ves were Baltic and Finnic, all the rest – the Krivichians, the Polyanians, the Severians, the Vyatichians and the Derevlians were Slavic.

    Now, look at the PCA-plot in the following paper, you see where Novgorod Russians fall. They are not Slavic, Ukrainians are Slavic and they are rather far from the original founders of Rus’.

    Absolutely wrong.

    You are probably too demented to figure out what you are looking at. This PCA-plot shows degrees of relatedness between the Russians – sampled from the Novgorod area, and other neighboring people.

    Ukrainians are a different people, more akin to the Bulgarians and Romanians – dark haired, often having brown eyes, which is quite rare among the Russians – that’s reflected on this map as well. We know about that.

    None of the aforementioned designates the Novgorod area Russians as being non-Slavic. The presence of admixture signifies a notable amount of intermarriages with neighboring peoples and nothing else.

    The genetic studies show that more than a half of the Russians belong to the R1a haplogroup, whereas the Finno-Ugric peoples belong to the haplogroup N. About 17% of the Russians belong to the haplogroup N – that’s the admixture.

    Ukrainians were Eastern Slavic people, the people of Novgorod were admixed. They also spoke several languages.

    No they didn’t speak several languages, they all spoke the Old Russian – meaning the Slavic peoples. Before the Rus’ the ancestors of the Ukrainians had been living under the Khazars, and were also, like most people a little bit mixed.

    That’s where the dark hair comes from.

    Yes, there was occupation and it was easy because these countries had given military bases.

    Those were the conditions agreed upon. That wasn’t done against their will. There was no war, so there was no occupation And were not talking about these states – we were talking about Finland.

    Unlike the Baltic states Finland was offered a much better land in exchange for a couple of rocks in the sea. You refused and declined all the offers. So don’t blame the Russians.

    Russians tried to Russinize Finns, Poles and Jews, none of them accepted this Pan-Slavic effort.

    That wasn’t a Pan-Slavic effort. You have to know the language of the people to be able to live among them – work with them, speak with them. That’s a normal practice. You weren’t prohibited to speak and teach the Finnish language.

    You make it sound like a capital was changed, but the country remained. But it is not so, Moscow became Russia by conquering the legal ruler in Novgorod.

    History is not about countries it’s about people. The Finns had no country for the most part of their history, but they were a people. Venice had a period of independence but it doesn’t mean its not a part of the Italian history.

    But there never was a single Russian people in genetic sense, as the people in Russia are not genetically the same.

    People are not the same anywhere in genetic sense. The Finns too belong to different haplogroups – N1c (59%), I1a (28%), R1a (5%) and R1b (3.5%). Of these R1a is the haplogroup of the Russians.

    Ukraine was Slavic, they are generically similar to Poles.

    No, 60% of the Poles share the same origin with the Russians. Like the Russians most Poles belong to the R1a haplogroup. About 40% of the Ukrainians belong to that group as well, but the rest relate to an assortment of southern groups.

    You know that all these things are political propaganda, to make people feel hostile to Russia, to make the dislike the Russians and then to use them for someone else’s need. Your new friends from across the ocean are doing this.

    You are too simple-minded to understand it.

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  85. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “What makes you think you are telling me something new?”

    So far you have not told me anything new, and what you have told so far has been all wrong. Let us stop this discussion, I do not want to waste more time with you. You should first learn something, only then there is any sense to discuss with you.I will correct some your claims in the last post, and then stop.

    “Of these R1a is the haplogroup of the Russians.”

    R1a it is mainly not from Russians, it is from Corded Ware culture and pre-Corded Ware. Archeologically Corded Ware is found in Finland and R1a was in Baltic Finns long before Russians ever existed.

    “You know that all these things are political propaganda, to make people feel hostile to Russia, to make the dislike the Russians and then to use them for someone else’s need.”

    You have paranoiac belief that somebody tries to make people hostile to Russia. Russia itself, by attacking Ukraine, turns people against Russia. And what you write is all propaganda.

    “People are not the same anywhere in genetic sense. The Finns too belong to different haplogroups – N1c (59%), I1a (28%), R1a (5%) and R1b (3.5%).”

    Y-DNA haplogroups are not the correct data to identify ethnic composition. You should look at autosomal DNA. It gives a view of the whole genome, that is ADMIXTURE plots. See Figure 4 in
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0058552

    You notice that Russians differ more in different places. In some areas Russians are like Poles (Slavic), in North Russia you see strong Finnic component. You also notice that though there is some difference between Finns in Helsinki and Kainuu, this difference is not as large as in Russians. North Russia is not Slavic, it is Fenno-Slavic admixture, as was Novgorod, the first Rus’.
    About the language in early times we know that the Finnic tribes in Rus’ certainly did not speak Russian. Only the written language in Chronicles is old east Slavic, as that is where writing came there from, and the church.

  86. j2 says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Here you have PCA and ADMIXTURE plots of Ukrainian people compared with other nationalities.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.07.238329v3.full

    As can be expected, Ukrainians are not like Russians (especially Northern Russians). They cluster in both plots with Poles, Hungarians, Moldavians, Czechs, as one would expect from their geographic position. You also see very clearly from these plots that Finns are different and that Northern Russians have Finnic admixture being similar to Estonians (a Finnic people). See figures 3 and 2. Judging from these plots, Ukrainians may not be genetically a separate people, but if so, then they are the same people as Poles, Moldavians, Hungarians and Czech, but not Russians. It is true that 1/5 of Ukrainians are ethnic Russians, but that does not give them the right to separate from the country where they are by a rebellion, i.e., a government has the right to defend the borders of an independent country.

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  87. @j2

    Well it isn’t even worth reading this crap you are writing, and if you are not willing to speak you should not have posted these two long comments, you old idiot. They haven’t been read.

    Stick with this alternative history of yours, it was created to make stupid people feel better. You, like your like-minded people of Ukraine belong to a people with inferiority complex.

    A people with no accomplishments, so insignificant that if all of you suddenly died the world wouldn’t change a bit.

    Cheers.

  88. Big LATTE says:

    This is nothing short of incredible. This treasonous scumbag Biden is bending American Citizens, as well as others, over at the ankles for everything they buy, and he has no trouble announcing that he’s going to put American taxpayers on the hook for basically unlimited (as much as the market will bear, right?) handouts to fucking Ukraine and their Nazi government?

    I knew that the American government has always had a soft spot for Nazis and fascists, but this is way beyond the pale.

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