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You’re probably not paying much attention to geopolitics. And that’s fair enough. We’ve all got a lot going on domestically, with the vaxxers breathing down our throats and the economy turning upside down.

But you might be interested to know that the Joe Biden government is aggressively pursuing a policy of war with the Chinese.

RT:

A US Navy guided missile destroyer has crossed the Taiwan Strait in the South China Sea, making it the seventh such trip by an American warship this year, and prompting China to accuse the US of trying provoke its military.

The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Benfold sailed northwards through the strait on Wednesday, the US Navy said in a statement. The maneuver was confirmed by Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense on Thursday, with officials saying the military used joint intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance tools to monitor movements at sea and in the air around Taiwan, according to local media reports.

Claiming that the navy destroyer’s presence in the South China Sea does not contradict international laws, the report added it was the seventh such maneuver by American warships in the area since US President Joe Biden took office this year.

The latest move was met with harsh criticism from Beijing, with its army commander saying on Thursday that Washington is “the biggest creator of security risks across the Taiwan Strait.” Pointing to the frequency of the US Navy’s moves in the area, a spokesperson for the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Eastern Theater Command, Colonel Shi Yi, called the US “the biggest destroyer of peace and stability” in the region, as quoted by Chinese media.

Regional Chinese troops were ready to respond to any threats and provocative moves, he added, saying that the Chinese Navy has monitored the US destroyer’s movements. China has “the determination, confidence and ability to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Shi Yi said.

The USS Benfold, eh?

There is no reason you would keep sailing these war ships back and forth unless you intended to menace.

This is like the image of a black person being circled by pick-up trucks with Confederate flags flying.

Imagine if Chinese warships were sailing back and forth through the Florida Keys, and China was sending out announcements that the United States is causing unrest in Florida. That’s what this is. It’s insane levels of aggression directed against the only country on earth that is potentially capable of beating us in a war.

Why?

Well, presumably because the Biden government wants to start a war.

The American people are too stupid to understand the Florida analogy, and think that if China tells the US to please stop sailing warships back and forth through their waters, that the Chinese are the ones being aggressive. I’ve never seen anyone so stupid as the Americans.

No single American can explain what problem in America was caused by the Chinese, but they act like it’s a joke to start a war with them.

Is it a joke?

Will it be funny?

Well, if American cities get nuked, then yes – that will be very funny.

Basically, the Democrats are creating all of these domestic problems that can only really be solved by a foreign war. I understand their view.

Plus, China and Russia are the only holdouts to the New World Order/Great Reset agenda, so they need to be taken out sooner or later. That’s the logic here.

Moreover, the reddit scum that is in control is angry that China is not full vagino-anal, and wants to send the Southern whites they hate so much to die fighting the patriarchal small eyes.

You might not understand the extent to which millennials now have power and influence, and are using that power and influence to push for gay sex and female empowerment. But it’s definitely a real thing.

Based on what we’re seeing at the Olympics, the US is not prepared for this fight.

(Republished from The Daily Stormer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. HalconHigh says: • Website

    The USA is run by psychopaths posing as politicians ?

    Wow….who knew ?

    ps….I’m an American

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  2. Renoman says:

    Poking the Dragon, not a good idea. Where will we get our toasters?

    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
  3. mike99588 says:

    This is this week’s tofu dregs Dragon that insists it can rule the world, and you just have to like it:

    So, if Japan and USA back up Taiwan, what’s the risk for China?
    IMO, a Japan that can say “No”,
    with 10,000 boosted warheads made from old reactor grade Pu-239 building a billion drones as one choice. And, yes advanced countries **can** use recovered Pu239…

  4. Not satisfying to hate biden, knowing he’s an earpiece-controlled, diaper-clad puppet.

    No satisfaction in wishing biden voters would all drop dead, as so many already were last November.

    • LOL: mike99588, Bubba
    • Replies: @starthorn
  5. I don’t understand the Olympics analogy. The US is ONLY three medals behind the Chinese. Big f’n deal! How many people watch, or pay attention to, the Covid plagued, fan less, tranny promoting Olympics anyway? By its dismal TV ratings, not many I’d guess.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  6. BuelahMan says:

    Well, if American cities get nuked, then yes – that will be very funny.

    Anglin is a POS.

    • LOL: beavertales
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @Old Prude
  7. The frequency of American ships provoking the Chinese is directly related to Biden’s falling approval ratings.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  8. gT says:

    China does not own Taiwan so the Taiwan Strait does not belong to China. China can happily sail through the Florida Keys, so long as its closer to the Cuban side. If China wants to start a war over that little island of Taiwan then so be it. China will have to expect a bit more resistance than army less Tibet put up though.

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Disagree: Ann Nonny Mouse, Biff
    • Troll: d dan
  9. It’s insane levels of aggression directed against the only country on earth that is potentially capable of beating us in a war.

    China, potentially capable;
    Russia, DEFINITELY capable.

  10. @gT

    Wrong. China does own Taiwan. Learn of the Long March, when the Chinese government was pursuing the Chinese Red Army across mainland China. The pursuers then occupy Taiwan Island now. That one mainland faction lost, and fled, and finished up on the island does not alter Chinese sovereignty over the island.

  11. First, kick all of the White males, (who, horrors, might be secret White Supremacists), out of the military. Then start a war with China. What could ever go wrong with that plan?

    Did anyone see the footage of our fully vaccinated, obese Sec Def Lloyd Austin wearing a face shield on top of his face mask after debarking from his plane? That surely must instill confidence in those thousands of “vaccine hesitant” troops that these experimental jabs are working. I wonder how hard Xi Jinping and Putin were laughing after viewing that fool?

    Will our troops be issued a face shield to wear before going into battle against the Chinese? Apparently, it’s noble to die for Taiwan so long as you have been vaccinated first.

    • Agree: Cking
    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @Adam Smith
  12. @beavertales

    Agreed, but covidhoax remains Pretendsident Diaperbag’s go-to crisis.

  13. @BuelahMan

    In the context of the entire column, I read that as rhetoric to stir Americans from an Exceptional! stupor.

    But if Mr. Anglin’s a “POS,” what would you call those mongering war with China?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @BuelahMan
  14. GayDad69 says:

    Wasn’t this in response to a request from the Philippines, in response to chinese fishing ships ramming their Navy or something?

    Are we not supposed to help our allies in the region solely because china is based and redpilled? At least according to the dumb motherfucker who endorsed Charlottesville and hasn’t been smart enough to change tactics after his writing guide was leaked?

    • Troll: Rahan, d dan
  15. as someone living in America, i concur. most Americans proclaim the intellectually lazy, racist moniker of Chinese people: obedient, robot-like slaves. anyone who has been to China: know this is polar opposite of truth. the Chinese people often beat up/killing their bosses if caught embezzling or other corruption. same goes for Police. if a Police harasses a citizen unjustly, a crowd/mob will gather around the cop, making their presence known. Cops/Police are at the mercy of its citizen. not like in the US. as Heiko Khoo stated: the closest nation, in terms of rebelliousness to the Chinese are the French. so next time you hear an American repeat/echo this myth.. you can rest assured: they’re ignorant, lazy, possibly racist.

  16. The Chinese should simply ignore it. It may be a ploy to distract them from something else going on.

    Almost any non-nuclear war will involve supply chains and depots which are much easier fixed targets than battleships and carrier groups. Take all the easy pieces off the board quickly. Harass the the hard targets with cheap drone swarms to keep them occupied.

    Oil tankers are easy targets. Just ask the Israelis.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  17. @follyofwar

    He was greeted by officers who were all dutifully diapered.

  18. Realist says:

    Biden Government Just Keeps Sailing Warships Through Chinese Waters

    It is not the Biden government any more than the previous one was the Trump government. It is the Deep State government a plutocratic oligarchy.

    The Deep State wants to protect and expand its multitrillion-dollar investment in world hegemony, and China is the biggest threat to that end.

    • Agree: By-tor, Miro23
    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  19. Realist says:

    The American people are too stupid to understand the Florida analogy, and think that if China tells the US to please stop sailing warships back and forth through their waters, that the Chinese are the ones being aggressive. I’ve never seen anyone so stupid as the Americans.

    I agree, as a U. S. citizen I am ashamed of the idiots in this country.

    Based on what we’re seeing at the Olympics, the US is not prepared for this fight.

    With this, I disagree. Athletic ability in the modern world is superfluous…intelligence will prevail…something the U. S. is sadly lacking.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  20. Anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:

    Since the vaxxers are breathing down our throats and the economy would go belly up at any time the Fed cares to pull the plug on money printing why necessarily be opposed to a war? The US government has more than enough power to put down any dissent in the US at gunpoint despite much brave talk. The government can create a tyrannical, garrison state overnight if it just bites the bullet. It has all the pieces in place and constantly argues that such action may be necessary to put down the antivaxxers in the name of public health. Everyone who holds a job is soon to be forced to take the “vaccine” as it is starting with Federal employees.

    A war may not work out to the advantage of the Biden crowd. A US defeat might be the best thing for the antivaxxers for it could break an overwhelming military power which will be used against them as necessary. Considering that the “vaccines” are likely carefully crafted bioweapons the deaths from a war may be smaller than deaths from the highly targeted “vaccines”. This matter needs to be discussed thoroughly. A war may be useful and desirable to end a tyrannical government whose true evil is yet to be appreciated by the vast majority. Forcing Russia and China into a war they do not want may be best for the American people no matter what the Biden crowd thinks they will get from it.

    True patriotism is always a matter of context. All aspects of this potential war need to be examined.

  21. Cking says:

    War is humanity’s curse to overcome; but because it is profitable and that is the operation of the Fed, it will be almost impossible to stop war from erupting. Like President Woodrow Wilson, and FDR, Biden may not keep the nation out of war; another reason to investigate Fraud that occurred throughout the 2020 Presidential election.

    China too, deserves some responsibility for throwing gas on fire. China is a great nation caused by the care, protection, money, and market, afforded by the United States and now, all of a sudden, is throwing its weight around, going so far as threatening Australia, ‘the pussy cat’, the Philippines, Vietnam, and other nations of Asia of which all are not thrilled at the prospect of seeing the US Navy go away. There is no reason to become irrationally aggressive toward Taiwan. The Sea of China is a figure of speech used to describe a huge sea area the size of an Ocean, not a genuine border. China’s assertion of owning the Sea of China now has no historical basis, never occurred in all history, because the China Sea could not be defended or controlled by any Chinese government or Imperium before and will find herself an elephant in water over her head should war commence. The present Chinese leadership is nothing if not rich, rational, and pragmatic.

    The United States has two choices, war ordered by the Fed/Wall St. system or (a) defeat and terminate the increasingly Leninist, Democratic Party, (b) erect and institutionalize National Banking, (c) fund and launch Continental Development. IMHO

  22. Realist says:
    @Greta Handel

    In the context of the entire column, I read that as rhetoric to stir Americans from an Exceptional! stupor.

    Agreed

    But if Mr. Anglin’s a “POS,” what would you call those mongering war with China?

    A nuclear exchange between the United States and either China and/or Russia would be the worst thing that could happen to civilization…initially. But when one considers that large U. S. cities are full of shitlibs and the low IQ dregs of society, who produce nothing of value…the elimination of them doesn’t seem so bad. While I do not wish for, in any way, a nuclear exchange it would be a great opportunity to…indeed, Build Back Better.

  23. mike99588 says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    China has more to lose in a sea war just because it has more vessels to lose.
    If it floats, it also sinks.
    And mainlander vessels are always a little closer to the latter anyway.

    • Replies: @Si1ver1ock
  24. Realist says:
    @gT

    China does not own Taiwan so the Taiwan Strait does not belong to China.

    China most certainly does have a claim to Taiwan and Hong Kong as well. What is true is that the U. S. does not have a claim to Hawaii…two thousand miles from the mainland. Not to mention the multitude of bases all over the world to support world hegemony.

    China can happily sail through the Florida Keys, so long as its closer to the Cuban side.

    I wish they would…it would be great to see the Deep State lackeys have a shit fit.

    If China wants to start a war over that little island of Taiwan then so be it.

    If the United States wants to start a war over that little island of Taiwan then so be it.

    FIFY

    China will have to expect a bit more resistance than army less Tibet put up though.

    There would be little noticeable difference…China would devastate the dyke and butt boy military of the U. S.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @gT
  25. @follyofwar

    Lol… What’s with the goofy medal he’s wearing?

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  26. The real question is what are the US ships that violate Chinese waters planning to do if confronted and tested by the Chinese. For example, are they listening for submarines? What do they do when a Chinese submarine opens its doors to fire a torpedo? What do they do if the Chinese fire a torpedo (aimed to miss)? Does the American ship chase the submarine? Launch a helicopter? Shoot back? Wait to see if its hit by the torpedo? The game will turn quite wicked if the Chinese start to play back. I would imagine that the Burke destroyers are never traveling alone and always have a US submarine friend riding shot gun. There is plainly more going on than we ever are told.

  27. @Adam Smith

    That image is one of the most viscerally horrifying things I have ever seen.

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Bubba, Old Prude
    • Replies: @By-tor
  28. Notsofast says:
    @gT

    china should sail through the florida keys, then sail into havana harbor and deliver hypersonic missiles, sauce for the goose….

    • Replies: @tyrone
  29. @mike99588

    A Japan able to say “No” will say no to USrael first thing;
    if there´s one thing the Sons of Amaterasu are loathe about it´s getting nuked again just to make a few joos fatter.
    This is the bind USrael is finding itself in with “allies” (more exactly hostages)
    like Germany or South Korea: If you demand they pay more you have to allow them to get stronger … if they get too strong they give you the finger.
    (Incidentally that´s the one thing Keynes got right: That reparations
    would make Germany stronger – and regally pissed-off – while making the leeches ever sicklier;
    USrael, through the Bretton Woods racket and moreso the petro\$\$\$, has been a more successful leech than most – the collapse is going to be epic.)

    And with USrael´s presence where they have no business in the first place
    the perceived pressing need to reclaim Taiwan (to loosen USraeli strangulation)
    will evaporate also – problem solved.

  30. utu says:

    Is Anglin working for Kremlin and Beijing now? Anyway, more disnfo and demagogy from pro Russian and pro Chinese writers that Ron Unz chooses to promote and sponsor.

    Seven transits through Taiwan Strait so far in 2021 is right on schedule. In 2020 13 transits were made:

    2020 13
    2019 9
    2018 3
    2017 5
    2016 12

    Taiwan Strait is not a part of China’s territorial waters. Taiwan has territory on both sides of Taiwan strait. The US Navy has been sailing these waters for many decades. Communist China has no legal argument to make America stop it, but China is good at throwing tantrums with help of Kremlin media and characters like Anglin.

    The US blew it when it did not force China to accept Taiwan sovereignty and independence when it was possible. So now Taiwan independence is in limbo but it still is possible as Taiwanese are united in favor of independence more than ever before. World sympathy is on the side of Taiwanese. Here is DW News (Germany) 2020 documentary:

    And here is Japan’s resolve about Taiwan’s independence:

    Japan’s Position On Defending Taiwan Has Taken A Remarkable Shift (July 26, 2021)
    https://www.npr.org/2021/07/26/1020866539/japans-position-on-defending-taiwan-has-taken-a-remarkable-shift

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
  31. utu says:
    @utu

    Taiwan’s islands on both sides of Taiwan Strait.

    • Replies: @d dan
  32. By-tor says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Affirmative Action Austin’s photo is an example of how deep the Covid play-acting scam is and what the Biden-Gates Admin. is going to attempt to force on the American public.

  33. jew truth says:

    A Christian nation run by jews will soon lose its present and future. The jews have pretty much squeezed the last drop from the American lemon, and will be the first rats to flee the vessel when America sinks.

    Americans should attack their true enemies, not false ones thousands of miles from home.

  34. Have you ever walked across a street? Or through a gateway?
    It’s not: “A US Navy guided missile destroyer has crossed the Taiwan Strait”. The warboat went through. And it’s “guided-missile destroyer”, like a half-cooked egg.

  35. @follyofwar

    Yeah! And so far they’ve just been doing nancy stuff like table tennis, ballet routines and “fencing”. Wait till the boxing begins. We’ll smash ’em! And running! (away)

    • Agree: CauCasiAnn
  36. @gT

    Until 1979, the US official position was that Taiwan and China were the same country. I guess after the US war in Vietnam, the US war crimes in Cambodia, and the US bombing of Laos, USer militants needed another part of Asia to attack.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Miro23
  37. @Realist

    The American people are intelligent.

    It’s just the wrong kind: social intelligence.

  38. @mike99588

    A genocidal racist imbecile. Future prospects for Homo sapiens are grim, when it produces specimens like this.

    • Troll: mike99588
    • Replies: @mike99588
  39. @utu

    Gosh, the BigPharma troll is an Imperial bullyboy, too. Who would have thought it possible? And a fan-boy of the Japanese fascist one-party regime. I’ve got a word for you, troll-the Chinese haven’t forgotten that the Japs killed thirty million Chinese only decades ago, and if the Jap regime sticks its bib in, they’ll see a setting Sun, rather than a rising one.

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Replies: @mike99588
  40. Miro23 says:
    @Badger Down

    Until 1979, the US official position was that Taiwan and China were the same country. I guess after the US war in Vietnam, the US war crimes in Cambodia, and the US bombing of Laos, USer militants needed another part of Asia to attack.

    To get some perspective on this. If the UK had a civil war and the defeated side retreated to the Isle of Wight and set up what they called the national British government on the island – it would still be 100% clear that the Isle of Wight remained part of the UK, but under different management.

    Ergo – Taiwan is an integral part of China and the US navy incursions are dangerous provocations.

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  41. @Realist

    If the Chinese sailed through the Keys, the reaction would be like that which occurred when China sanctioned some racist, Sinophobe, bullying, Yankee thugs. ‘How dare they?’ Screech, scream, gibber, slobber. ‘Only the USA can sanction, and perhaps the other White Bosses of the EU. How dare these (gooks, slopes, yellow devils-take your pick)do so!’. It would be a hoot!

    • Thanks: Realist
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  42. Most of the argument rests on the implicit assumption that Taiwan is part of the Peoples Republic of China.

    That’s a view of the matter the overwhelming majority of Taiwan’s inhabitants do not share.

    The inhabitants of the Florida Keys do agree they are part of the United States.

  43. @Miro23

    ‘To get some perspective on this. If the UK had a civil war and the defeated side retreated to the Isle of Wight and set up what they called the national British government on the island – it would still be 100% clear that the Isle of Wight remained part of the UK, but under different management.’

    Sure — except that at no time prior to 1945 did China exert full sovereignty over the island of Taiwan.

    If you can show the same for the Isle of Wight and the rest of the U.K. — you’ve got an argument!

  44. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    ‘If the Chinese sailed through the Keys, the reaction would be like that which occurred when China sanctioned some racist, Sinophobe, bullying, Yankee thugs. ‘How dare they?’ Screech, scream, gibber, slobber. ‘Only the USA can sanction, and perhaps the other White Bosses of the EU. How dare these (gooks, slopes, yellow devils-take your pick)do so!’. It would be a hoot!’

    How about if the Chinese sailed through the strait between Cuba and Florida?

    That metaphor would be more relevant.

  45. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Clown. White doesn’t even enter my comment.

    I pointed out examples of simple, logically possible moves by Japan in its seriously antagonistic relations with China, over 1000 years long. If push comes to shove.

    China’s Wolfwarrior/Dragon politics is going to awaken martial Japan, and China won’t like what it gets. Japan has already said it will support Taiwan.
    Xi really wants to find out about Japan’s ugly side, again?

    Japan has over 45 tons of plutonium. Japan is not nuclear free in thought or materials. Some refer to their existing technology and developments as a “bomb in the basement”. I point out a simple technology package that can be reasonably duplicated, about like Toyota producing Alphards. Imagine if their military placed an order for 10,000 Alphards tomorrow – no big deal…

    Likewise a billion drones. Kind of has that Divine Wind vibe that crushed China’s invasion over a thousand years ago, and so vexed the US Navy more recently, and entirely feasible.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  46. UNIT472 says:

    And the record of Chinese ‘victories at sea’ is exactly where? The Japanese Imperial Navy in 1942 was a lot more awesome, relatively, than the American Pacific Fleet. What happened?

    This is as stupid an article as I have read at the Unz Review.

  47. @mike99588

    The thing is they shouldn’t fight the war that the US wants them to fight. They should go asymmetric.

    For example, they could use the opportunity to ally with the Taliban and push the US out of Afghanistan. The Taliban advancing under Chinese air cover backed by Chinese tanks would tie down resources. The US would be fighting far from home on multiple fronts with limited resources

    Something similar could happen in Korea. At some point the US will hit the wall on resources and sue for peace or a “temporary ” armistice. By that time the Chinese will want to have effected changes in their near abroad.

    Possibly Iran could do something similar.

    Anyway there are things short of war that can annoy the US, like lifiting the sanctions on North Korea.

  48. Phibbs says:

    I disagree with the article. China’s ridiculous claims to all of the South China Sea and its aggression towards a healthy democracy (Taiwan) must be confronted. Sooner or later, all of Asia will join in against China if its aggression starts a war with the U.S. The Australian and British navies will join the fray as well. China cannot win.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @animalogic
  49. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Might look to outsiders like Xi’s China coming back for seconds.

    China’s current aggressive approach rapidly collapses Japan’s military options to a binary choice where Japan can’t expect to outright win or have a symbiotic relation. So what’s left ?
    1. Vassalage or likely worse
    2. deterrence, e.g. MAD if Xi keeps threatening nuclear mayhem, enough damage to encourage 2nd thoughts…

    Japan and China have an ugly history. Xi is being the idiot.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  50. d dan says:
    @utu

    “Taiwan’s islands on both sides of Taiwan Strait.”

    LOL. Obviously not a very bright guy to show Kinmen and Matsu, when his intend is to support the independence of Taiwan.

    Go ahead to read up the history of shelling and political games involved in those islands. After the initial defeat, Mao decided not to take Kinmen exactly to prove that Taiwan is tied closely to mainland China. Likewise Chiang Kai Shek knew they were indefensible, but still didn’t want to give up those islands because he wanted to use them as staging ground for re-invasion of the mainland. Those islands have been the political symbols for that their respective governments to claim the legitimacy for the WHOLE China.

    It was the US, and later DPP (those who prefer a clean cut with China) who wanted or considered giving up those islands.

    utu is just a moron – a dangerous one, when he wants US to use military to defend Taiwan.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @utu
  51. d dan says:
    @Phibbs

    “I disagree with the article. China’s ridiculous claims to all of the South China Sea and its aggression towards a healthy democracy (Taiwan) must be confronted. ”

    Too many stupid trolls, too little troll flags.

    Can’t tell whether this is a bug in the country or a bug in the web site.

    • Replies: @Smith
  52. mike99588 says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Sounds like more of that 100% CCP inspired content we keep seeing here.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  53. As a millennial American in China, let me just say: PLEASE send ALL those FAT, OPIOID-addicted, INBRED Scotch-Irish Negrofied Southern dregs to die at the hands of Chinese.

    And send all the redditors.

    And ALL the white women.

    And ALL the Boomers.

    Send them all.

    I’ll take up a rifle not to defend China, but to gun down Americans.

    To use A123’s invective, “PEACE.”

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  54. If the Biden regime gets US cities nuked, the only worthwhile things that would be lost would be the excellent collections in the many museums and art galleries and the fine architecture that was created in the US before WW2. Other than these, everything else is replaceable, including the whites lives that would be lost.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Francis Miville
  55. @Supply and Demand

    I hope you realize that you, as an American living in China, whether you’re married to a Chinese national, are white or are a Chinese-American, you will be thrown in a concentration camp within a week once hostilities start. There’s a good chance you could be executed or starved to death. Two or three years ago, Canada was told by the US government to arrest the chief financial officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, who lived part time in Vancouver. The Prime Minister of Canada is scared of all the dirt the CIA has on him so he complied. Almost immediately, China arrested three unimportant Canadians on trumped up charges. They’re still in jail and the Canadian government has been told to keep the extradition trial going on forever so that the US has a bargaining chip with China. My whole point in telling you this is that neither the Chinese or US governments consider your life to be anything worth saving, you could be dispensed with tomorrow. You might look upon Chinese society as one that hasn’t been destroyed by western decadence, but they’re not a society we should emulate.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  56. Biff says:
    @Joe Paluka

    If the Biden regime gets US cities nuked,

    They sacrificed 3000 lives and three towers in downtown Manhattan for a Zionist agenda; I have no doubt they’ll sacrifice an entire city next time – especially if their hegemony is at stake.

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
  57. Smith says:

    They want to provoke a reaction out of China.

    Don’t catch the bait, China!

  58. Bubba says:
    @Adam Smith

    Good God! What a horrendous photo – those humiliated, out-of-shape, white Marines must be counting the minutes to collect their pensions for tolerating that foolishness.

    Lloyd has got the African dictator look and swagger (with bling!) down, but one thing that is missing is the Robert Mugabe clown suit. Next he’ll probably get the U.S. Marine Band to start playing some rap music while he does some childish, Afro-jig dance while reviewing and humiliating more white troops.

    • Replies: @Piglet
  59. Smith says:
    @d dan

    China could have dropped the stupid 9 dash lane and immediately team up with ASEAN against the US.

    But nationalism is too strong at home, oh well, as Buddha says, too much attachment gives to delusion.

  60. Yee says:

    Colin Wright,

    “Sure — except that at no time prior to 1945 did China exert full sovereignty over the island of Taiwan.”

    Qing government had full sovereignty over Taiwan. The island was ceded to Japan after losing a war in 1895.

    As terms of Japan surrender for WW2, all territories Japan had taken by force must be returned. So Taiwan island returned to China.

    Whether or not the inhabitants got to decide which country their land belongs to, depends on their constitution. Some country allows it, some country don’t.

  61. Nice ping pong medal count but we still have track and field.

  62. utu says:
    @d dan

    “…giving up those islands.” – Eventually it will come to it. It will be a part of the treaty between China and the World which will give Taiwan sovereignty and independence.

    “he wants US to use military to defend Taiwan.” – This is not what I want. This the ineluctable logic of geostrategic calculus that the US must defend Taiwan if it wants to stop China and remain the dominant world power.

    • Agree: UNIT472
    • Disagree: mike99588
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @nokangaroos
    , @mike99588
  63. gT says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Just because someone claims loudly, aggressively and assertively that something belongs to him does not make that something belong to him. He has to do a bit more than that. Capiche!

    • Troll: Ann Nonny Mouse
  64. gT says:
    @Realist

    Uhm Realist, be a realist and use your brains for a second. While the West might not care about China having all the tv’s and hifi’s, the West does care if China has all the world’s semiconductors. Were it not for Taiwan’s semi-conductor business no-one would give a hoot about Taiwan, but since Taiwan is the world’s market leader of semiconductor chips the whole of the West needs Taiwan.

    So were China to invade Taiwan, it would not just be the US that China would be facing, but the whole of the West. And of course you know how most of the rest of the world just seems to go along with the West as well.

    Now would be a good time for war with China, China’s breadbasket is flooded senseless so China needs grains and foodstuffs from the rest of the world to survive. Just stopping trade in the Indian ocean alone would bring China to its knees, even Russia does not have the agricultural output to feed China. And it just so happens that the only worthwhile thing the US military possesses is its blue water navy, with the world’s largest collection of nuclear attack subs, China only possesses a green water navy, in other words regional. It also just so happens that India does not like China right now, so a blockage in the INDIAN ocean would be attainable.

    • Replies: @Realist
  65. @Joe Paluka

    I would happily die in a camp knowing that America will be destroyed, particularly the foundational stock who created it.

    That said, China has a long history of maintaining quislings. I’ve ensconced myself nicely here.

    I’d also be willing to bet you’ll be in a re-education camp before I will. You live in America, after all.

    • Agree: Biff
  66. @Phibbs

    I wonder whether some people are missing the point of this article.
    Perhaps I simplify – but my take is that Anglin does NOT want a war between the US & China. It would be a bloody nightmare.
    Down to brass tacks — it doesn’t matter whether China’s claims on Taiwan are valid or not. “Validity” here is an excuse both sides use.
    However, the US KNOWS it’s acts are provocative & acts as it does to provoke.
    Any war between China & the US will be an utter disaster for the whole world.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
    • Replies: @tyrone
  67. @Cking

    Another arrogant, pig effing ignorant, racist. The USA is full of them.

    • Replies: @Cking
  68. @mike99588

    The Jap ruling class are natural fascist racists. And extremely brutal when they want it. Japan could live in peace, but the hereditary Imperialist fascists who head the one party Jap regime seem actually to want revenge on China for their defeat in WW2. If Japan was to attack China again, the country would cease to exist. PS There is no ‘current Chinese aggressive approach’. That is a racist lie and projection. The aggressor at EVERY point has been the USA, and its coterie of stooges.

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
  69. @mike99588

    Divine Wind ‘over a thousand years ago’??!! The Mongol invasions were 1274 and 1281, ie just over 700 years, you ignoramus. If your beloved ‘honorary White’ Japs want a nuclear confrontation with China over Taiwan, which they stole in 1895, then they’ll get it, and cease to exist. Only a Yankee chauvinist, racist, buffoon would hope for that.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  70. onebornfree says: • Website

    Well “duh”!

    “War is the health of the state” , as former court historian Randolph Bourne said.

    In other words, if you want governments in the first place, your _always_ gonna have wars; the governments “health” and continued and unchecked growth ( unless somehow restricted), _always_ depends on starting yet another war, either on its own citizens (e.g. the war on drugs), or war on the government and citizens of another country.

    “The State is, and always has been, the great single enemy of the human race, its liberty, happiness, and progress.” Murray Rothbard

    Regards, onebornfree

  71. Dumbo says:

    Well, I guess we already have pestilence and death, now only famine and war are missing, I’m sure they’re preparing the way.

  72. Smith says:

    It’s cool to see chinese living in America yelling an american living in China.

    We really live in such a world.

  73. Realist says:
    @gT

    You do love to dream.

  74. tyrone says:
    @Notsofast

    Xi is no Khrushchev…….when has China ever done anything that provocative ….small steps ….very ,very smart.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  75. Piglet says:
    @Bubba

    Good God! What a horrendous photo – those humiliated, out-of-shape, white Marines must be counting the minutes to collect their pensions for tolerating that foolishness.

    Just to clarify, those are members of the Philippine Marine Corps. Like other forces trained and organized by the USMC, there are similarities between their uniforms and those of the USMC, but these are clearly not Americans.

    • Thanks: Bubba
  76. Piglet says:
    @Adam Smith

    If his nickname isn’t already Idi Amin, it should be.

    In the late 1970s there was black, short, chunky lieutenant colonel in HQ 11th Special Forces Group (Airborne), an Army Reserve unit based at Fort Meade, MD. His nickname (not to his face) was Idi Amin and he had a personality to match.

    Since the LTC in the 11th SFGA is long retired by now (if he’s even still alive), I nominate the new SecDef for the title of Idi Amin.

  77. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Right on the Mongols, I think I am crossing dates on other Japanese fights.
    Always pays to check first. Thanks.

    In western eyes, your case is then that ROC is still the legit successor government of the Chinese Empires, the Reds/CCP merely successful thugs holding a lot of stolen/captured real estate. Our accomodation of two China or Red China are not really well founded other than show of force in the captured lands, fiat accompli, and hope of mutual trade and eventual reconciliation.
    show of
    Xi is shitting on everybody else and expects them to like it, lap it up, or lump it.
    Well, phase 1, he can keep his toys and play with himself, like under Trump’s sanctions.

    Japan has identified Taiwan as a strategic issue.
    It’s CCP China that has opened the nuclear issue, showed us a nastier hegemony, AND has several ongoing genocides.
    You expect Japan to roll over and open its legs?
    I don’t have to hope anything.
    We’re just discussing the possible consequences of another over aggressive adventurer on the world stage miscalculating/misrepresenting his dick size.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
    , @showmethereal
  78. tyrone says:
    @animalogic

    Right , there will be NO WAR between the U.S. and China…..how do I know this?….because the country is not being psychologically prepared for such a war ….if anything Biden is a paid stooge of the Chinese …..Taiwan has already been sold to Beijing, the butcher’s bill for the subcontracting job of the “plan-demic”….expect chaos in America in the near future.

  79. Piglet says:
    @utu

    The US blew it when it did not force China to accept Taiwan sovereignty and independence when it was possible.

    If you watch some historical Chinese films you’ll see scenes in which the US and European powers, then occupying “concessions” in China, abused and humiliated the Chinese. Americans and Europeans have largely forgotten this era ever took place. The Chinese have never forgotten and aren’t about to let it happen again.

    The era of being able to “force” the Chinese to “accept” anything is long past.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @utu
  80. Dumbo says:
    @utu

    Haven’t checked the links, but DW and NPR are obvious globalist propaganda outlets, so I wouldn’t trust anything they write, including “and” and “the”.

    I don’t care about Taiwan one way or another. China may take it for all I care; the problem is the international repercussions and the risk of war.

    Anyway, more disnfo and demagogy

    LOL, coming from who it comes, this is funny…

  81. UNIT472 says:

    China would have a problem sailing warships around the Florida Keys unless they wanted to do it with yacht sized vessels ( and not Jeff Bezos sized yachts) but they are certainly entitled to sail any warship they want through the Straits of Florida. It is international waters. Its a long way from China though basically halfway around the world. If they asked they probably would be allowed to make a port call in Miami or Tampa.

  82. Yee says:

    gT,

    “Now would be a good time for war with China, China’s breadbasket is flooded senseless so China needs grains and foodstuffs from the rest of the world to survive.”

    Flood never cause serious crop failure, you moron, you need a drought to do that. Because flood only effect the lowest point of a vase land, which is very small, not widespread like a drought to do real damage. The rest of the land will benefit from the rain.

    Sorry to disappoint you, the breadbasket will have a good harvest this year, because of the rain.

  83. @mike99588

    There are no innocents in this. The CCP is just as imperialistic and hegemonic as the rest. They simply haven’t done the deed yet, militarily, but in every other regard they run with the rest of the dogs.

  84. Notsofast says:
    @tyrone

    while i agree with you that china has been very restrained in it’s response to u.s. provocation, i think it’s patience is wearing thin, especially on matters concerning taiwan. in addition to this, i think they sense weakness in the u.s. position, as decades of senseless middle eastern wars and corruption in the defense industries has exhausted the military and it’s equipment and left the u.s. decades behind the russians and chinese in modern weaponry. remember that last year xi told his military to prepare for war, a very uncharacteristic response from chinese leadership.

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
  85. Daemon says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’re under the assumption that you can referendum your way out of the problem. You cannot. Remember, your enemy always gets to cast a vote too. If he vetos, well you’re shit out of luck.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  86. Notsofast says:
    @Colin Wright

    not all inhabitants of the keys agree, long live the conch republic!

  87. d dan says:
    @utu

    “…giving up those islands.”

    – Eventually it will come to it. It will be a part of the treaty between China and the World which will give Taiwan sovereignty and independence.

    LOL, as if “giving up those islands” (Kinmen and Matsu) is some kind of “concession” to China. Hint to those stupid trolls: China could take those island 70 years ago, but decided NOT to. Why?

    “treaty between China and the World”
    hahaha – “the world”? Why don’t you write the “world sheriff ” to make it clearer to your supporters.

    “he wants US to use military to defend Taiwan.”

    – This is not what I want. This the ineluctable logic of geostrategic calculus that the US must defend Taiwan if it wants to stop China and remain the dominant world power.

    Again LOL. Your dog whistle is to convince your supporters that US should remain the dominant world power, don’t you. So, you are “correct” – it is not what you “want”, it is what you want what they “want”.

    I love how you entangle yourself in knots. This is the results of those who don’t understand China and still decide they have the right to use their pencil to draw national boundary on the map for others (with the veil threat of military intervention, of course) – like what their ancestors had been doing for centuries.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  88. d dan says:
    @Piglet

    The US blew it when it did not force China to accept Taiwan sovereignty and independence when it was possible.

    Americans and Europeans have largely forgotten this era ever took place. The Chinese have never forgotten and aren’t about to let it happen again.

    For people who know the history, US did try to force China to accept Taiwan “sovereignty and independence”, but it was resisted by both Mao and Chiang Kai-Shek.

    “The era of being able to “force” the Chinese to “accept” anything is long past.”

    Reading the many comments here who still support military intervention on behalf of Taiwan, including those who want their vassal states (e.g. Japan, Australia) to help, you can be assured that those “era” is not “long past” for those ignorant and arrogant SOBs.

    Thank you for your sober comment. Unfortunately, you are talking to many deafened ears.

  89. @utu

    – The First Island Chain is going to hold precisely as long as the dollah –
    meaning the US will start a war in the foreseeable future;
    somehow I do not find that as uplifting as you do.

    But like it or not MacKinder´s Nightmare is the natural order of things;
    the US have no business in East Asia nor in Europe, and the fate of
    Little Britain is inevitable … now couldn´t they just croak without laying waste to the planet?

  90. utu says:
    @Piglet

    If you watch some historical Chinese films you’ll see scenes in which the US and European powers, then occupying “concessions” in China, abused and humiliated (*) the Chinese.

    The Chinese are as excitable and as easy to be manipulated by propaganda as other people. That the communist party of China decided to play the revanchist card and endlessly talk about real and imaginary (eg. ‘No dogs and Chinese allowed’ false meme) humiliations to distract people from its power abuses and unite them against real and imaginary foreign enemies is the oldest trick in the world. But its consequence is that it may push CCP’s hand to engage in actual revanchist actions that may turn out to be disastrous for China. So obviously the West must pay attention to what kind of crap Chinese people are spoon fed by their media and movie industry. However, the West is not and will not be impressed with infantile tantrums CCP and Chinese people throw whenever Taiwan issue is brought up.

    Four days ago Grahamsno(G64) provided sober and accurate, imo, take on China-Taiwan-USA situation:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4804504

    Taiwan’s not Afghanistan if they [USA] lose it they lose Asia the center of the great game, it will be tantamount to Britain sitting out of WW1&2, If the Dragon swallows Taiwan then for sure Japan will abrogate its constitutionally mandated pacifism and go nuclear the same for South Korea. Asia will then become pre WW1 Europe with all sides arming themselves and preparing for the worst and I believe the analogy is accurate. China reminds me so much of Wilhelmine Germany – the same explosive growth, the same impatience with the declining Hegemon who stubbornly clings to power, the same chafing at the lack of respect shown to it. China’s just orders of magnitude greater.

    As I said before in this thread a defense of Taiwan and commitment to defend it by the West and Japan is logically ineluctable necessity. It is up to China whether it decides to pull the trigger. If it does it will find itself like Wilhemine Germany alone and condemned and resisted by everybody.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @showmethereal
  91. BluEidDvl says:
    @Notsofast

    China if anything is probably bewildered by American behavior of late?. We’re CLEARLY showing all the signs of a waning if not collapsing hegemon. We’re literally turning ourselves into a northern Brazil, with nukes!. Outside of a meteor striking the Earth or nuclear war, nothing can stop China’s rise. It has the high average IQ population. The exponential rise of it’s industrial base (& the skill set that goes with it). It’s population is fiercely proud & deeply nationalistic & a fierce meritocracy. And most importantly, it’s nation is not hamstrung by CRT, AA, or forced equity.

    America on the other hand seems to be a nation dead set on destroying itself?. We’ve allowed a certain, parasitical ((tribe)) to gain control of our banking system & media, which means THEY control the narrative. We’ve allowed our peoples to be displaced/replaced with nary a whimper. The land filling up with blacks/browns (try maintaining a 1st world economy with that). We’ve allowed our industrial base & infrastructure to collapse. Our cities have become filthy, dystopian hellholes but we still boast “we’re number 1”. Our children are brainwashed into hating their people, their country & themselves but most cannot be bothered because hey, the ballgame is on. Everything you could possibly imagine a country doing to itself to self destruct, we’re doing it.

    If some miracle doesn’t happen to create a 180 inverse of our current trajectory, well, all China has to do is wait. It’ll soon be theirs

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Pat Kittle
  92. d dan says:
    @utu

    “The Chinese are as excitable and as easy to be manipulated by propaganda as other people. That the communist party of China decided to play the revanchist card and endlessly talk about real and imaginary ”

    White people does not even dare to be honest about their own history (e.g. slavery, genocide, wars, racism,… an endless list) but still pretend that they know more about Chinese history than Chinese themselves do. The hubris is there for everyone to see.

    In contrast, Chinese themselves have gone through over a hundred years of deep soul searching, multiple revolutions, countless cultural upheavals, political reforms and debates before the majority of them congregate to their present understanding of the world and their view / path for future.

    But of course, utu would like everyone to believe that 1.4 billions are all being manipulated by a small group of CPC propagandists…

    “Four days ago Grahamsno(G64) provided sober and accurate…. As I said before in this thread a defense of Taiwan and commitment to defend it by the West …”

    I am willing to bet with my arm that if China would to invade Taiwan tomorrow, the West and US would not go to war with China. To quote the words of someone you hate the most:

    “Imperialism and All Reactionaries Are Paper Tigers” – Mao Zedong

    “… and Japan …”

    A senior Japanese diplomat just remarked about South Korean President is “masturbating” (the original word – he even repeated the word twice.) So it looks like Japanese couldn’t even handle half of the whole Korea, let alone China. But the one who are really masturbating are the White and Indian trolls who still dreaming of Japan going full nuclear to help them fight the Chinese, because they themselves dare not do so – that is in essence, the true sign of “paper tiger”. LOL

    • Replies: @mike99588
  93. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    natural fascist racists….hereditary Imperialist fascists…a racist lie and projection. T

    I get that you’re an emotional chinaman, but being less hysterical and name-cally would serve you well. You come across as a disturbed woman. Dink.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  94. Cking says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Moron, who do you think you are, don’t debase the commentary.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  95. mike99588 says:
    @d dan

    The initial reason for Japan to go nuclear will be to avoid directly fighting China, at least outside its own waters, or being bullied further, or even absorbed, as well as with other countries, especially as America declines or withdraws.

    In the eyes of most of the world, China is a highly armed aggressor fish (and resources) thief with some insanely laughable but dangerous claims.

  96. @follyofwar

    Because according to US media – China is ready to collapse “any day now” for the past 20 years… So then the US and China shouldn’t even be close in medals.

  97. @Cking

    “There is no reason to become irrationally aggressive toward Taiwan. The Sea of China is a figure of speech used to describe a huge sea area the size of an Ocean, not a genuine border. China’s assertion of owning the Sea of China now has no historical basis, never occurred in all history, because the China Sea could not be defended or controlled by any Chinese government”

    Go back and check some history… The government on Taiwan is officially known as “The Republic of China”. They are the last remnant of the government that lost the Chinese civil war and retreated to the last piece of CHINESE TERRITORY that they could hold. That same government – with help from the US delcared the 11 dash line in the South China Sea – which meant China had sovereignty of all such islands. The US gave them the ships to physically claim the largest island – Taiping… And then had Japan sign it back over to China in the Treaty of Taipei – acknowledging that Japan took the islands from China by imperialism.

    • Replies: @Cking
  98. @Colin Wright

    Most of the Confederacy thought they didn’t belong to the United States any longer… We see how that turned out for them. But in essence the issue in China would be as if the Confederacy won and the Union had to retreat to Long Island – or maybe Puerto Rico. With no formal end to the civil war – What do you think would happen??? Would the Confederacy be ok with the situation?

    Remind us also how Hawaii became part of the US… You ever talk to real native Hawaiians?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  99. Smith says:
    @mike99588

    China – Taiwan – Korea (both North and South) – Japan, all of these nations are highly old with very declining birthrate and concentrated to urban centers.

    Outside of nationalist squabblings on the internet and edging by outsiders, nobody want to fight. Ideally, they should fix their birthrate issue first before doing anything.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  100. @showmethereal

    ‘You ever talk to real native Hawaiians?’

    You’re not exactly building your case. You’re aware there are real native Taiwanese?

    There’s definitely no moral case for subjecting them to the rule of the People’s Republic of China.

  101. @Daemon

    ‘You’re under the assumption that you can referendum your way out of the problem. You cannot. Remember, your enemy always gets to cast a vote too. If he vetos, well you’re shit out of luck.’

    Yeah — but that’s a different matter. I never said it would be wise for us to unnecessarily start a war with China over Taiwan.

    I’m just not particularly impressed with the historical, legal, or moral claim the People’s Republic has on the real estate.

    China has at various times claimed suzerainty over the island. It never effectively incorporated all of it into China, and in point of fact, the island has been either independent or ruled by others for most of its history. At this point — yeah, most of the inhabitants are ethnically Chinese.

    …but they don’t particularly want to be ruled by China. And they haven’t been. So there it is.

  102. @Cking

    ‘…China’s assertion of owning the Sea of China now has no historical basis, never occurred in all history, because the China Sea could not be defended or controlled by any Chinese government or Imperium before and will find herself an elephant in water over her head should war commence…’

    Well, the morality of the issue is one thing; the military prospects another.

    China’s a lot more powerful than anyone else in the vicinity, and a whole lot closer to the field of battle than the US. For example, I’m picturing US aircraft carriers versus all the land-based cruise missiles China can build and throw at us — not liking the image.

    Deciding China ‘can’t win’ would be foolish. Ensuring that China continues to find a military solution unpleasantly expensive might work.

    • Agree: Cking
    • Replies: @Cking
  103. d dan says:
    @mike99588

    “The initial reason for Japan to go nuclear will be to avoid directly fighting China…”

    What makes you think that China want to fight Japan? China and Japan have been neighbors for thousand years, and the relationship have been mostly peaceful whenever China was strong, and troublesome only when China became weak.

    For example, when Tang Dynasty was the center of the world civilization and technology leader, China allowed Japan to send students. They taught Japan everything that China had. When Zheng He super-naval fleet of Ming dynasty was roaming up to Africa, they didn’t even bother to pick up an island or two from Japan. But only when White people appeared in Japan – suddenly Japan needs “protection” against China.

    “or being bullied further, or even absorbed, as well as with other countries, …”

    Tell me how did and does China “bully” Japan? Japan has been bullied by America constantly since 1945, shouldn’t Japan go nuclear to defend against America? You think they forget about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or about Tokyo bombing? Oh wait – it was America that prevent Japan from going nuclear. See, it all make logical sense when viewed in this way.

    “… especially as America declines or withdraws.”

    The decline of America and the West is the best gift for the entire humanity, and the best opportunity for Japan to become true independent, to stand up as a real nation, and to become friend of China – like most of the time in history – especially times when China were strong.

    “In the eyes of most of the world, China is a highly armed aggressor fish (and resources) thief with some insanely laughable but dangerous claims.”

    “MOST of the world”, blah, blah, blah – you are living in your stupid MSM-induced bubble if you believe what you write.

    You are a typical brainwashed and arrogant Westerner. Like utu, Colin Wright, Unit472, gt and a bunch of trolls here, your comments show a lot of projections of your own sick minds and your sick culture onto others where you know NOTHING about.

    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @showmethereal
  104. @Cking

    But you are Blanche-you are. Arrogant, ignorant, racist, like all your type. Why the blazes should I not say so. Your swill ‘debases’ the commentary.

  105. @mike99588

    You’re a pretty typical ignorant Yankee racist who thinks that ‘..the rest of the world’ are the other White, Western, imperialist thugs in the USA’s posse. In fact, in most of the world the West is feared and loathed and China seen as the majority world’s saviour. And typical projection-the most genocidally aggressive force in history, at war for over 80% of its baleful existence, blaming a target of its aggression of being an ‘aggressor’. It might work against Grenada or Iraq, but you’ve bitten off more than you can chew this time.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  106. @iDeplorable

    Typical Yank-the truth is like Holy Water to a vampire to your type.

  107. Cking says:
    @showmethereal

    Are you confused or are you trying to confuse me?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  108. Cking says:
    @Colin Wright

    I agree with your analysis; and I was not subtle, despite what we’re hearing, China is rational and will not get into it with the Pentagon. War avoidance is at the center of China’s diplomacy toward the United States. IMHO The ball is in the US court.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  109. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Strange, Chinese fish thief boats have gotten sunk all over the world despite China’s displeasure and threats.

    I expect this trend to grow as other countries’ fish stocks are denuded, despite the size of both China’s Navy and maritime miltia.

    As for being the world’s savior to backwards countries, they don’t know you well enough yet. Sometimes hard for a starving man to avoid mistakes that might lead to his slavery. When China gets kicked out, they have learned a little more. China’s got a lot of bad habits to unlearn – just ask your Indian, Indonesian, Malaysian, Tibetan, Vietnamese or Uighur friends – they’re not westerners.

  110. mike99588 says:
    @d dan

    Did you miss the part about CCP Chinese wanting to nuke Japan over Taiwan military support?

    • Replies: @d dan
  111. mike99588 says:
    @utu

    The US needs to help Taiwan remain free, even if it doesn’t plan to remain the dominant world power.

    Exactly what that help is a big discussion. Taiwan also has some potential poison pill options beyond even Israeli versions that aren’t polite, don’t really require US help, but make invasion stupid.

  112. Old Prude says:
    @BuelahMan

    If they just nuked DC during the State of The Union, it would be a happy time. What is taking the Iranians so long?

    • Replies: @BuelahMan
  113. @Colin Wright

    There’s no moral case for anyone being ruled.

  114. @Joe Paluka

    If the Biden regime gets two or three American cities nuked, be sure these are false flags, but that the Chinese this time will know it.

  115. @Cking

    ‘IMHO The ball is in the US court.’

    Considering who’s governing us at the moment, that’s an alarming prospect.

    • Agree: Cking
  116. d dan says:
    @mike99588

    “Did you miss the part about CCP Chinese wanting to nuke Japan over Taiwan military support?”

    Can’t debate. So throw out another lie: please show me an official PRC statement stating that they will nuke Japan – over ANY matter – not just Taiwan intervention.

    China has a non-first use nuclear policy against any country – it will not be the first to use nuclear weapons. China also has a policy that it will never use its nuclear weapon against any nation that does not possess nuclear weapon. Neither US, Russia nor most Western nations have such explicit self-constrained policy on their own military – and this is despite the fact that China has very small stockpile of nukes.

    So the only situation when there is nuke exchange is if Japan launches nuke against China FIRST – that is the official policy. Of course, if Japan intervenes in Taiwan, China is entitled to shower Japan with conventional missiles. Furthermore, Japan’s intervene is definitely not a case of China “bully” Japan – in fact it is the reverse – Japan is trying to interfere in China’s internal affair.

    As I said, you are a typical ignorant and brainwashed Westerner, like so many others here.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @mike99588
  117. @mike99588

    “Japan has identified Taiwan as a strategic issue.
    It’s CCP China that has opened the nuclear issue, showed us a nastier hegemony, AND has several ongoing genocides.
    You expect Japan to roll over and open its legs?”

    Let’s be serious… Japan’s foreign policy is run by Washington DC… And yes Japan is still bending over as it has since Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  118. @utu

    Taiwan is as vital to China’s DEFENSE as the Yalu River was during the Korean War. One of the main tenets of the CPC government’s legimitacy in the eyes of the Chinese people is defending the territory of China. The Chinese PUBLIC will not accept an independent Taiawan in the US/Japan camp. I don’t think a lot of you guys get it.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  119. @Colin Wright

    I absolutely made my case. It’s called “when will the west learn to stop sticking it’s nose in other’s civil wars”?? It hasn’t worked out well.

    And yes I am well aware there are “Native Taiwanese”. Though at least they are still Asian – like Native Hawaiians. So when the US is ready to give up Hawaii – then you can at least have SOME sort of an argument. But guess what – Hawaii is WAY OUT in the Pacific and thousands of miles from the US mainland. Taiwan is right at China’s front door – which is why the Qing Dynasty originally brought it under jurisdiction in the 1st place. Dutch and Japanese made them realize foreigners would indeed try to take China from there. So sure – if Taiwan was given back to the original natives – then 80% of the population – and even more of the economy would be gone (including companies like TSMC whom the west covets). But guess what – if Japan or the US or any other hostile power sought an alliance with those “natives” – we would be right back at square one. Do you think China would let US and Japanese troops and weapons at it’s front door?? That is not remotely realistic. There would be even MORE weapons pointed there.

  120. @d dan

    “China and Japan have been neighbors for thousand years, and the relationship have been mostly peaceful whenever China was strong, and troublesome only when China became weak.”

    You are absolutely correct. Aside from when the Mongols ruled China- the aggression has been one way. As you noted – the peace was always held when China was stronger. In fact Korea also relied on China’s strength to escape Japanese aggression. The white washing of Japanese history has been in full swing since the 1950’s

  121. @Cking

    I’m not confused at all.. Everything I noted was historical fact. You don’t know the facts – which is why you are confused.

    • Replies: @Cking
  122. Avery says:

    {There is no reason you would keep sailing these war ships back and forth unless you intended to menace.}

    I highly doubt Chinese are ‘menaced’: Chinese are very cautious and they don’t want unnecessary violence/war, but menaced? UK’s military is a joke. Same with its Navy. China can sink entire British navy without much difficulty in their own neighborhood, if it comes to that.

    In 2001 a Chinese hot-dog fighter pilot rammed a US spy plane near or over Chinese airspace.
    I am sure you remember that the crippled US spy plane landed on a Chinese island. The crew was quickly released, but the Chinese kept the plane for a while, then sent it to US in pieces.
    Chinese were anything but menaced by the might of US. And this was 20 years ago. Chinese military capability is much, much greater now.

    {This is like the image of a black person being circled by pick-up trucks with Confederate flags flying.}

    Does not apply to Chinese and UK: the force disparity is hugely in China’s favour.
    Even US can’t butt heads with China in China’s back yard.

  123. mike99588 says:
    @showmethereal

    Japan is no marionette, it is a smaller country that has many benefits from coordination with the US. For a country that lost its war so badly, Japan is clearly doing very well – I’m sure that’s way too well in China’s eyes.

    In fact, China’s frictions with Japan over WWII issues, show that China considers the US to have been insufficiently punitive, er corrective, during the direct wartime occupation through 1952, much less Japan’s degree of independence and insouciance today.

    If Japan is “bent over” by the US, the prospect of a demanding or even vengeful CCP Chinese hegemon is going to be orders of magnitude worse, and frightening. If the “threats” of Uighurs and Falon Gong yield so many body parts today, Borg like brain washing, and Uighur sex slaves, what are Japan’s prospects under CCP China’s hegemony?
    Which is what a takeover of Taiwan means long term.

    Look here at Unz, how the mere size of China allows it to annoy us here, in our own language, stridently telling us what what to think. The prospect of that becoming 10x, 100x louder and worse makes anybody Japanese or American with two brain cells pretty wary.

    The solution is to reconcile with Taiwan, not strong arm it even a la Hong Kong, much less an actual military occupation or storming.

    China does that, and I think you going to get the Japan you deserve, a scared shitless nuclear Japan with scared nuclear neighbors in an unstable AI world, all right under your nose. At least we have the Pacific as a buffer to dilute the mess that comes out.

  124. mike99588 says:
    @d dan

    please show me an official PRC statement stating that they will nuke Japan
    I’m sure CCP will issue an official statement 30 minutes before, or 30 minutes after, as CCP’s convenience dictates.

    China has a non-first use nuclear policy against any country – it will not be the first to use nuclear weapons.
    Already forgotten the CCP’s 50 year no change policy and treaty on Hong Kong?!?
    CCP has zero credibility.

    you are a typical ignorant and brainwashed Westerner
    Aw, trying to hurt my feelings.
    Did I call you a Chinese 50 cent ho bag for your 2 cents of opinion today?

    • Replies: @d dan
  125. mike99588 says:
    @showmethereal

    Taiwan is even more vital to China’s offense.
    Nobody is fooled.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  126. @Colin Wright

    They’re already under the rule of the Han in Taiwan. What does it matter which?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  127. @mike99588

    What a lying racist baboon you are-apologies to baboons. China wants peace with Japan, but Japan, a one-party state run by direct descendants of the Imperial fascists, wants discord. Why is a good question. As long as the Jap leadership continues to deny the Nanjing Holocaust, and the ‘comfort women’ policy, and their aggression and abominations like Unit 731’s germ warfare atrocities, and Jap fascist politicians visit Yasukuni, the Chinese will just trade and await a Japanese reformation. Probably after the USA collapses.

    • Agree: Avery
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  128. @showmethereal

    The Japanese invasion of Korea under Toyotomi Hideyoshi in 1592 and 1598 were insanely bloody. Similarly the Japanese occupation and annexation of Korea from 1910 to 1945 was very vicious. And the Yanks thoughtfully put the Japanese Kempeitai police and their Korean thug underlings in power in southern Korea in 1945.

    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @Showmethereal
  129. @mike99588

    Slimiest, lying, Sinophobe troll yet.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  130. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Sinophobe?
    There are other people who would laugh at you.
    Chinese is fine. CCP is not.
    By your lights, unhappy Hong Kongers and resistive Taiwan Chinese must be sinophobes.

    Your speech and manners exemplify why CCP is not respectable.

  131. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I think most Americans, especially the WWII generation, would agree that the Japanese war criminals got off too easy. But we don’t blame the unborn.

    Life is not fair. The US citizenry was tired of war, and we still had huge CCP and CCCP problems to deal with. So our politicians were expeditious when a little more principle might be desired.

    But CCP members, and “advocates” like YOU, are going to raise a whole new generation of militant Japanese with the will and means to seriously defend themselves independent of the US…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @HeebHunter
  132. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As long as the Jap leadership continues to deny the Nanjing Holocaust, and the ‘comfort women’ policy, and their aggression and abominations like Unit 731’s germ warfare atrocities, and Jap fascist politicians visit Yasukuni,…

    Many Japs today still harbour this racial hierarchy mentality– with the white race on the very top and the honourary whites, i.e. the Japs, following… Ever wonder WHY so many white supremacists give their support to the Japs and their racial views?

    The following is a post on the Economist forum some years ago by jennifersuzuk, and my reply to it:

    [MORE]

    Devils Advocate_1 in reply to jennifersuzuki 0 mins ago

    jennifersuzukiinreply to Simon 31st, 00:03

    sorry to pour cold water on the subject, but I do agree with Mike Tyson Ironman that Nanjing Incident and Comfort women issues have been exaggerated and used as a propaganda tool by the communist China to demonize Japan, and although perhaps some chinese prostitutes did serve Japanese soldiers out of poverty, it is the case that most of them did it willingly.

    Not at all. It is the Nipponese who made up the “A-Bombing issue” to demonise their “superior European race masters”. The so-called “victims” of the A-bomb attacks on Japan were willing victims hired by Unit 731 and their “superior European race masters” to test the effect of A-bombing on live humans. These “victims” served as test subjects out of greed and got what they wished. Not even your “cold water” could help ease their A-bomb sunbath sores.

    As an anecdote, I remember the last time I went back to Japan, I saw many–many, many–chinese prostitutes and korean prostitutes in Japan working voluntarily and this was back in 2009. And I think the whole comfort women misunderstanding have been similarly constructed–that they were mere prostitutes working for the Japanese army. As a Japanese woman, I have no pity for them nor do I have any sympathy for them.

    What do you expect??? These prostitutes are after money and are different from the “comfort women”, who were forced by the IJA into it! Besides, these “chinese prostitutes and korean prostitutes” today do serve a higher moral purpose in Japan, which is that they can teach Japanese men why they should NOT screw their OWN mothers!!! ;-D, ;-D, ;-D, ;-D, ;-D, ;-D, ;-D, ;-D, …

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/out-of-japan-mother-love-puts-a-nation-in-the-pouch-1508595.html

    And even if some of the accounts of atrocities were true, since war is always aggressive–forgive me to intrude my very personal understanding and view–must not we forget that they deserved it for being an inferior race? We Japanese understand that we are inferior to European race, and as a Japanese woman I never complain to my master who is superior to me; similarly I find the asian race to be inferior to the Japanese race, and therefore whatever that Japanese did do to an inferior race was and should be justified. As a matter of fact, German philosopher Nietzsche actually once listed the Arabs, Romans, Germans, Japanese as the examples of noble races for their ability to kill, rape, and torture. Is it perhaps not then the right of the noble race to dominant the inferior race such as the Jews and Chinese? And is it perhaps not the case that an superior race or nation such as America ought to dominate the less superior race and nation? As a Japanese national living in America with an American boyfriend, I do not find any objection to be dominated by Americans and I find the natural order of universe to be one of domination and submission; it is right for America to be Master of Japan and it was right for Japan to be Master of Asia. Thus the natural order of universe was and has always been.

    Thanks for you very HONEST exposition, which merely confirms what I always knew about the psychology/mentality of the Nipponese. The Nipponese are indeed inferior to their “superior European race”– You are the living proof.

    However, the other Asian peoples are NOT— The Chinese were the first to prove that in Korea, then the Vietnamese did that again in Vietnam, and Afghans did the same again in Afghanistan, etc, etc. It might indeed be “right for America to be Master of Japan” but all that Uncleland and Japan have proved is that they are INCAPABLE of being the “Master of Asia”.

    Therefore, what the “German philosopher Nietzsche actually once listed” merely proves that the Romans, Germans, Japanese are animals rather than true Humans. The Romans and Germans, at least, have now shown their capability to return to their human roots. For examples, the Germans have made the denial of the Holocaust a crime in their country. The Nipponese have not and have repeatedly shown their animalistic nature day after day. Animalistic Nipponese are indeed INFERIOR to Homosapiens– They lack the ability to “seek truth from facts” and to change their mentality and behaviour accordingly.

    The world owes you and Mikey for revealing the true inner nature of the Nipponese. Frankly, if it were just me who told such truths about the Nipponese on the TE forum, I would merely be dismissed as an anti-Japanese “racist”.

    Devil’s

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  133. Cking says:
    @showmethereal

    Well then, I ask you to explain your commentary and or hostility.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  134. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    ‘They’re already under the rule of the Han in Taiwan. What does it matter which?’

    Perhaps not — but their existence hardly creates a case for People’s Republic of China rule over Taiwan either.

    My point is that there’s no particular reason the People’s Republic of China should be seen as somehow entitled to Taiwan. They may well be physically capable of taking it, but that’s a different matter.

  135. @mike99588

    ‘…But CCP members, and “advocates” like YOU, are going to raise a whole new generation of militant Japanese with the will and means to seriously defend themselves independent of the US…’

    The Japanese would be well advised to do that. They don’t need to be militant about it, but they should do it.

    The alternatives are to accept Chinese suzerainty or to rely on the continued power of a declining nation on the other side of the planet.

    Interestingly, Japan would be well advised to revive the ‘Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere’ — only, this time, mean it. I’d pick a different name as well.

    The smaller states bordering China need to unite. They’ve got a decided community of interest.

  136. d dan says:
    @mike99588

    “please show me an official PRC statement stating that they will nuke Japan”

    I’m sure CCP will issue an official statement 30 minutes before, or 30 minutes after, as CCP’s convenience dictates.”

    In other words, you can NOT show, and now try to make up another “thing” that you are “SURE” (without basis nor evidence, of course), and you are trying to push that as an argument….

    Let me take give you a chance to win the argument. Let me take a step back and assume CCP will do that 30 minutes before/after as you claim – but how does that constitute a “threat” or “bully” of Japan – does Japan suppose to perceive the “threat” of FUTUR potential of China too?

    You are entangling yourself in knots – using one lie to cover another lie to cover another lies to cover…. Either you are not aware of it, or you are such shameless asshole that you have no problem keep doing it.

    China has a non-first use nuclear policy against any country – it will not be the first to use nuclear weapons.

    Already forgotten the CCP’s 50 year no change policy and treaty on Hong Kong?!?
    CCP has zero credibility.

    Here you go again. Can’t provide any fact, evidence nor argument against the supposedly “nuke Japan” thread, now pushing another lie about Hong Kong. Again, I am challenging you to show me a single thing that a single policy that CCP change. You can’t because every thing that China is pushing in Hong Kong is laid down in the Basic Laws that were spelled out in the beginning. Furthermore, what’s wrong with changing policy in Hong Kong – it belongs to China.

    you are a typical ignorant and brainwashed Westerner
    Aw, trying to hurt my feelings.

    Just pointing out the fact that you are regurgitating typical Western lies – blatant lies – over and over and over …. again.

    Did I call you a Chinese 50 cent ho bag for your 2 cents of opinion today?

    No you didn’t. But you did reply to my comment – and you are making tons of outright lies in this thread and others. Everyone is entitled to call you out – and neutral readers and honest Americans deserve better than that.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  137. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yanks will support anyone who helps them in their interests…. It doesnt matter how bloody they are.

  138. @Colin Wright

    You can only dream of Asia u iting against China. Good to know you support the imperialist Japanese. Here is what you dont get… Most of Asia does not fear China… They make think China is arrogant – but they dont fear a Chinese invasion. They DO however fear a remilitarized Japan!! Just as “democratic” south korea. They fear Japan even more than they fear North Korea. They have already told Biden like they told Trump – they do not trust Japan and they will NOT join in any anti China crusade.
    The only other group Asians would fear apart from Japanese are the Mongols. So sorry – the dream of all of Asia helping you to keep your hegemony by fighting China is not realistic. They know the history of the region… Like Chinese or not they know the region has always been most prosperous and peacful when China was strongest.

    Japan and India will along but thats about it. (But India doesnt really want to be your stooge the way Japan is…) You still have some leftover sycophants in the Filipino military — but thats about it.

    • Replies: @d dan
  139. @mike99588

    What you wrote was all a bunch of regurgitated media garbage. Here is a fact. China and Japan have been neighbors for millenia. A strong China never fears Japan. China spent much of history willing to teach Japan. China has no beef with Japan anymore except for one issue. It refuses to acknowledge war atrocities and lies to school children about such things. Apart from that the only issue is US manufactured – which is the Diayou/Senkaku islands. By extension Japan has started to poke its nose in China’s other affairs – again at US direction. Tzke the US out of the equation and there is no beef towards Japan from China. But to really be friends they would need to stop visiting the shrine for their war dead/criminals and teach children what they did.
    In fact that is the same exact issue that South Korea has with Japan as well (and they both dispute over some minor islands). Actually China doesnt even seek compensation from Japan – that South Korea does.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  140. d dan says:
    @Showmethereal

    “Here is what you dont get… Most of Asia does not fear China…”

    Facts and figures matter – look at their defense budget. Japan’s budget is below 1% of GDP, despite much pressure from US. Taiwan youngsters are not joining the military. Vietnam is seeking cooperation with China despite the South China Sea disputes. Likewise for Philippines. Even the most gullible Indian are trying not to start a war with China. Lee Hsieng Loong, Singapore PM, is telling US not to force them to choose side and should accept the rise of China, And Malaysia, and Laos, and Cambodia, and Korea, …

    The only country that is MOST worry about China’s “aggression” is the one halfway away from the Earth, the one that claims the existence of Iraqi WMD almost 20 years ago. They managed to convince over 70% of American to believe that Iraq had WMD, resulting in millions of war victims, trillions of treasury loses and unaccountable human miseries. And in Syria, in Afghanistan, …

    To expose these shameless liars and to call out these warmongers is the responsibility of every honest and peace-loving people in the world.

  141. @Colin Wright

    Interestingly, Japan would be well advised to revive the ‘Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere’ — only, this time, mean it. I’d pick a different name as well.

    The Japs meant it. In fact they were DEADLY serious last time. This was what happened in Manila:

    “Women were raped and sliced with bayonets from groin to throat and left to bleed to death in the hot sun.

    “Children were seized by the legs and had their heads bashed against the wall. Babies were tossed into the air and caught on bayonets. Unborn fetuses were gouged out with bayonets from pregnant women.”

    http://www.battlingbastardsbataan.com/som.htm

    If the other Asian countries want another ‘Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere’ by another name from Japland, let them have it– and enjoy it. The first Japland should try are the 2 Koreas. I think it would turn out to be very funny.

    The smaller states bordering China need to unite. They’ve got a decided community of interest.

    “The smaller races in murrika need to unite. They’ve got a decided community of interest.” Apart from the Japs, they all had been objects of oppression by the white majority in the past and most still are in one form or another– BLM, YLM, BrLM… etc.

  142. mike99588 says:
    @d dan

    Your accusations of me lying and making stuff up border on the self delusional – the nuke threat went viral, like a lot things from PRC…
    Of course you’re probably going to disown it, etc.
    Your CCP narratives are about as insistently farcical as the CCCP ones of the 70-80s.
    Pulling just one news site off the search engine:
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/china-threatens-to-nuke-japan-if-country-intervenes-in-taiwan-conflict/news-story/d9af14dc6b90628082e79ab4c77629e1

    Mike:

    Already forgotten the CCP’s 50 year no change policy and treaty on Hong Kong?!?
    CCP has zero credibility.

    d dan:Here you go again. Can’t provide any fact, evidence nor argument against the supposedly “nuke Japan” thread, now pushing another lie about Hong Kong. Again, I am challenging you to show me a single thing that a single policy that CCP change. You can’t because every thing that China is pushing in Hong Kong is laid down in the Basic Laws that were spelled out in the beginning. Furthermore, what’s wrong with changing policy in Hong Kong – it belongs to China.

    d dan, you may not be old enough to remember Patton nailing down this treaty deal in 1997. It seemed futile then, and many were surprised that the China – UK Hong Kong deal held up as much as it did as the years passed, nevermind the low level violations. Now you deliberately broke it.

    Americans and Brits have bandied legal language around, both as enemies and allies.
    Flat out, CCP has shown itself an insecure, tyrannical thug deal breaker on the UK deal.
    Lucky CCP that UK is so shriveled, otherwise one can imagine the British man o wars and gunboats laying on another half century of humiliation.

    Just like Hitler discredited himself in the English speaking world reneging on taking the rump of Czechia, the CCP has discredited itself on the rump of Hong Kong. Actions speak louder than any words.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  143. d dan says:
    @mike99588

    “Your accusations of me lying and making stuff up border on the self delusional – the nuke threat went viral, like a lot things from PRC…”

    Really? Still digging into the hole. Firstly, citing an article from the most anti-China and most racial mainstream Australia media is not proof – they have been accusing China of every imaginable or un-imaginable crimes since day one. Secondly, please show me the original video or text from the official Chinese channel. Internet posting by random person is not proof of OFFICIAL Chinese policy. Even in this site, there are many commenters here who threaten to nuke China to stone age or to kill all Chinese people. Are we supposed to believe that is official US policy too?

    “d dan, you may not be old enough to remember Patton nailing down this treaty deal in 1997. ”

    Of course I know what happened. Patton had not much to do with the treaty. I listened to Deng’s negotiation with Margaret Thatcher (in both Chinese and English). In the treaty, China did not need to deliver anything to UK. China ONLY promised to the Hong Kong people, not UK, to keep the system intact. China regards UK occupation of Hong Kong as illegal, and there is therefore no obligation to UK. Hong Kong is all China’s domestic affair.

    “Now you deliberately broke it.”

    No, China did NOT and does NOT break anything with Hong Kong. Everything has been laid down as in the Basic Laws – which is like the mini-Constitution of Hong Kong. Show me which article China breaks, else admit you are lying, again.

    “Just like Hitler discredited himself in the English speaking world…”

    LOL. The “English speaking world” is the most brainwashed, corrupted and discredited one in the eyes of everyone else on the Earth. If you are not aware of it, it is probably because you have been sleeping with the pigs for so long that you don’t even know you stink. Or maybe you are one of the pig?

    • Replies: @mike99588
  144. starthorn says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Stealing, not plagiarizing, that second comment. Thank you.

  145. @mike99588

    Please tell me what offense…. Since when is concluding an unfinished civil war considered offense…??

    • Replies: @mike99588
  146. @Cking

    How can I explain my commentary further??? I detailed the history… You can simply research everything I wrote by typing it into your web browser. I have no hostility at all.

  147. @Smith

    China – Taiwan – Korea (both North and South) – Japan, all of these nations are highly old with very declining birthrate and concentrated to urban centers.

    Outside of nationalist squabblings on the internet and edging by outsiders, nobody want to fight. Ideally, they should fix their birthrate issue first before doing anything.

    Those highly over-populated countries have low birthrates. You think they should “fix their birthrate issue” so they’ll “want to fight.”

    Maybe the correlation between high IQ & low birthrates is also a causation.

    • Replies: @Smith
  148. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Hmm, that’s not what I said at all. I said, they do not want to fight because they have low birth rate.

    And these countries are “over-populated” because they are highly urbanized, jobs are concentrated at the cities while migrants migrate to cities to make money, leaving a shitton of land unused. This is common in Japan and western China.

    If they actually spread the population out, they wouldn’t be overpopulated at all.

    And there’s no point to high IQ if you are dying out. Life comes before intelligence dickwaving.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  149. mike99588 says:
    @showmethereal

    The neighbors can become very upset over encroachments near the borders.

    I seem to remember that PRC entered North Korea when NK nearly ceased to exist in 1950 albeit South Korea had had some requested assistance.

    • Troll: Showmethereal
  150. mike99588 says:
    @d dan

    I listened to Deng’s negotiation with Margaret Thatcher (in both Chinese and English).

    That really is impressive dan.
    It sounds like you can get degrees in CCP history narratives as well as a day job.

    Seriously, it might be useful to link the PRC’s detailed version of days and months of recordings of this affair in English.

    China regards UK occupation of Hong Kong as illegal, and there is therefore no obligation to UK.

    So now your position is that the CCP is only breaking the 19th century treaties that were signed after losing to the Brits.

    • Replies: @d dan
  151. mike99588 says:

    [mike:]“Your accusations of me lying and making stuff up border on the self delusional – the nuke threat went viral, like a lot things from PRC…”

    [dan;]]Firstly, citing an article from the most anti-China and most racial mainstream Australia media is

    1. is proof I did not lie or make it up
    2. is a demonstration how thin skinned PRC is to anything that challenges their narratives.

    …Internet posting by random person is not proof of OFFICIAL Chinese policy.

    sure it’s not proof, rather its broad approbation is taken as a warning or sign.

    In the US, we’ve been a little sensitive to these things since Dec 7, 1941 because Japanese officials were to give 60 minutes warning but were 60 minutes after since they were slow at typing, not using the regular typist. (these’s that cutting corners thing again) PRC so parallels 1930s Japan’s the sense of deja vu gives people PTSD.

    AND the CCP has done an amazing job subverting the US. Through its many citizens’ years hard work, it seems they have penetrated every technology sector, major university, major corporation, bribable politician, offices, community and many private lives. I swear, you just open eyes and you find one underneath you.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  152. @Showmethereal

    China has no beef with Japan anymore…

    “China might have no beef with Japan anymore” but the right-wing japs still have endless “beef” with China and the Chinese, because the latter steadfastly refuse to accept the racial hierarch designed by them and their “superior European race masters.”

    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/biden-government-just-keeps-sailing-warships-through-chinese-waters/#comment-4815889

    The japs are just willing pawns of their “superior European race masters” and they believe that their willing acceptance of their inferior status to the whites can make them superior to the Chinese. This is a very funny kind of mentality– becoming superior by feeling inferior– that is not restricted to the japs!

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Showmethereal
  153. d dan says:
    @mike99588

    “it might be useful to link the PRC’s detailed version of days and months of recordings of this affair in English.”

    No, you make the accusation – you should provide links, facts and proof, not me. There is no “treaty” in 1984 – it was a joint declaration. For your convenience, these are the links of the full declaration in Chinese and English respectively:

    https://www.cmab.gov.hk/gb/issues/joint3.htm
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180517224136/http://www.cmab.gov.hk/en/issues/jd2.htm

    Readers can read the declaration in full and see that China has NO obligation to UK on anything. The only thing that is resemble an “obligation” is that Chinese government will give “full cooperation” to assist UK in “maintaining and preserving its economic prosperity and social stability” of Hong Kong before 1997 handover. So, if there is nothing that Chinese government needs to deliver after 1997, please tell me how is it even possible for China to break the “treaty” to UK.

    Please state which article, statement or promise did or does China break. You can’t, because you are lying. Period.

    “China regards UK occupation of Hong Kong as illegal, and there is therefore no obligation to UK.”
    So now your position is that the CCP is only breaking the 19th century treaties that were signed after losing to the Brits.

    No, I am trying to help you and the readers to understand China’s position. The Nanjing treaty signed by Qinq government and UK in 1842 was done under duress. Any law student would understand that document signed under duress is not valid, and the Nanjing treaty, especially so because it was the result of immoral opium war started by the British. PRC, on day one, declared that all those treaties were invalid. Therefore in the negotiation of 1984 before Deng and Thatcher, China didn’t feel there was any obligation toward UK, in return for the handover of Hong Kong. The was the background info about China’s position entering into those negotiations that lasted 2 years.

    “1. is proof I did not lie or make it up
    2. is a demonstration how thin skinned PRC is to anything that challenges their narratives.”

    No, a link by the extremely racist anti-China Australian media is not a proof that China did/does threaten Japan with nuke. If those media’s statements about China could be taken as proof, then there would be no crimes in human history that China hasn’t committed.

    If China did really threaten Japan with nuke, there should not be any problem for you to find the original statements (in Chinese or English). After, a threat (to Japan) is not a threat is nobody can see it, right? Why don’t you just provide one? Again, I am very confident you can’t because I am very confident that was not and is not an official Chinese position. Therefore my assertion that you are lying.

    “sure it’s not proof, rather its broad approbation is taken as a warning or sign.”

    So, China is responsible for any random Internet posting (assume such posting even exists – which you still haven’t proved) by anyone? Do we even know the person posting the “threat” is a PRC citizen or not, let alone a senior government official?

    “In the US, we’ve been a little sensitive to these things since Dec 7, 1941 because Japanese officials were to give 60 minutes warning but were 60 minutes…”

    Is this supposed to be your “proof” that PRC will give 30 minutes notice before they nuke Japan/US? “Japan did that, so PRC will do that” is your argument?

    “AND the CCP has done an amazing job subverting the US. Through its many citizens’ years hard work, it seems they have penetrated every technology sector, major university, major corporation, bribable politician, offices, community and many private lives. I swear, you just open eyes and you find one underneath you.”

    Here you go again. Another comment, another batch of new accusations – after all your previous lies are totally exposed.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  154. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    Tbh, the japs probably want US and China to mutually self-destruct, that’s why they constantly flip flop on Taiwan.

    Lesse how it goes.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  155. @mike99588

    Hear the words of a former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir, and I paraphrase from memory. You may want to go verify it for yourself:

    “We have traded with China for two thousand years and they have never tried to conquer or colonise us. But within 50 years of contact with the West, we had already been begun to be colonised by them”

    If you travel this part of the world and speak with people, rather than to listen to what your media tells you, you will have a more accurate picture of what the people of Southeast Asia think.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Deep Thought
  156. Smith says:
    @littlereddot

    I mean, they kinda did, look at Singapore.

    Malays don’t like chinese much at all. Some chinese-malays are still barred from entering their country.

  157. @littlereddot

    rather than to listen to what your media tells you

    China has a Propaganda Ministry, while the white West has a Propaganda Industry. The latter is a thousand times more effective than the former in fooling its own citizens!!!

  158. @Smith

    China has no reason to want a war with the US. The on-going “war” between the US and China is a war of ambitions, which was best summarised by Don Trump:

    ‘In defending the tariffs, the Trump administration has cited China’s ambition to become a world leader in tech and innovation, detailed in the “Made in China 2025” plan.’
    .
    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2160574/us-trade-panel-hears-harsh-criticism-proposed-new

    China’s ambition is to become a leading economic and technological power– like many Western powers have done. The West’s ambition– especially America’s ambition– is to make China have NO ambitions!!!

    Ever watched Boardwalk Empire? In one scene, a white FBI agent made a comment about Blacks having “ideas”. A China that has ambitions is like a Black having ideas– Both are unacceptable to the white supremacists!

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Smith
  159. @showmethereal

    Heavens, now the CCP apologists/hysterical women/Chinamen with Tiny Dick Syndrome are parroting each other.

    • Troll: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  160. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    Of course, it’s actually beneficial for the US to exist and keep China’s rivals in check, they are so far from each other that co-existence is possible. As Shima Yi once said, once the prey is caught, the hunting dog is next to the (hot) pot.

    The problem is the US is a festering cancer, and China is helping evil by propping it up.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  161. @Deep Thought

    True of many of the middle age and older ones… It is a holder from the Meiji period when Japan no longer wanted to learn from China once they realized the west became more advanced through the industrial revolution. Plus the image of Commodore Perry still looms large in spirit.
    I would be interested to see views of the younger ones. The males tend to be more interested in make up and j-pop than they are in bushido nowadays…
    I have a couple of relatives that lived/live in Japan. I am going to ask the mood on the ground. But yeah I know the right wingers in government still think that way.

  162. @d dan

    You cant even blame a lot of them. Western psyops through the media is very very effective. They constantly repeat lies and the average joe six pack believes it… And actjally even many professionals are easily susceptible too. Aside what you noted aboit the Joint Declaration – they can never point out what in the Basic Law was violated either. They give zero weight to the fact that Article 23 national security was required to be passed and hadnt been for 22 years since the handover. None of that matters because they are only fed lies and dont have the honor nor capacity to actual read the documents for themselves.

    They dont even know what their own governing documents say – let alone one halfway around the world

  163. @Deep Thought

    You are absolutely right. I have a big, although grudging, respect for how effective the Western propaganda machine has been.

  164. @Deep Thought

    Nah, nothing as effective as the Vietnamese conquest of Champa. As for the Malayo Polynesian language of the Chams, virtually gone.

  165. @iDeplorable

    Feeling left out?

    Learn to speak Chinese, then you can be part of the future.

  166. @Smith

    China, and every sane person, know that navigating the fall of the greatest force for Evil in all history, the USA, is a challenge fraught with existential danger for all humanity. The monstrous psychopaths who rule the USA are capable of destroying humanity if they can no longer rule over it. The Chinese must go about their business very carefully.

    • Replies: @Smith
  167. @mike99588

    ‘…and you find one underneath you’. Wishful thinking, I’d say.

    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @mike99588
  168. @mike99588

    As a pretty typical racist you’re dumb and ignorant, or lying. The Chinese are under NO obligation to allow Hong Kong to fall into mob terrorist anarchy, and become a centre for Western financed and trained subversion designed to destroy China. They have fixed that by arresting the leading traitors and is in the process of locking the scum up for a few years. Just as any country under concerted attacked by genocidal, racist, enemies would do to traitors in those race and civilizational enemies’ pay.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Troll: mike99588
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  169. Smith says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    All China has to do was shutting the money valve back in 2008.

    But nope, too much greed. Now they have a chance to do it again, let’s see how it goes.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  170. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Dan linked to the 1984 Sino-UK Joint Declaration that he thought was not a treaty (#154). However in English, a ratified Joint Declaration IS a treaty.
    Perhaps d dan needs to sharpen his English skills.

    Basically, a people raised under UK laws and culture would have every reason to be upset with China’s gross abrogation of their previous, life long, legal rights and principles.
    All acknowledged and promised in 1984.
    I know my personal ancestors and their families successfully fought back for similar reasons, sometimes greatly outnumbered, stuff of legends. Probably sometimes not, since others earlier immigrated.

    So to western eyes and principles, CCP’s reneging on the Sino-UK Doint Declaration and crushing of HK, the CCP has once again demonstrated itself a gang of murderous thugs and tyrants, pure and simple. Thoroughly established under “Might makes Right

    Somewhat successful hegemons, often with tofu dreg foundations under the glitter. However, that breach of trust, along with the batshit crazy 9 dash line of marine rapine, will cost CCP for years to come.

    Now, I’m sure you guys will likely trot out the numerous warts of U(S)SA, especially those recently accrued, but that is an et tu fallacy.

    CCP really looks ugly and I am still glad to not be stuck under it although the Xiden and tech giant CCP rental properties might yet get you there.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  171. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Nope. In can be easy. Getting out may be painful or dangerous.
    But a lot of Asian-Chinese women’s marriages to American guys seem to work well, and give poor, rich and/or high IQ girls options they didn’t have at home.

  172. @mike99588

    Crap. The HKers had NO rights under English rule. The agreement specifically says that China has the right to protect national security, and when terrorist thugs are rioting, destroying property and agitating for the destruction of China, all while on the Western payroll, your despicable attempt to subvert China through the compradore traitor element in Hong Kong was always doomed. Stiff shit, Whitey. And you have the gall to gibber on about ‘Western principles’. Tell that to the hundreds of millions of dead Indigenous in the New Worlds, the victims of WW1 and WW2, the starved dead in India under English rule, the economic system of Imperial pillage and the ceaseless wars of aggression, you awful puke!

    • Replies: @mike99588
  173. @Smith

    What good would it do the world and China in particular to deny the dying beast its food? ‘Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake’, as Nappy said. The USA is doing a good job of cutting its own throat, and the last thing the world needs is the rabid beast becoming even more deranged. It will, in any case, but best prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Prospects are VERY grim, indeed.

    • Replies: @Smith
  174. Smith says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    To kill the beast and not keep it around?

    The 2000 era was the Occupy era, imagine if the money valve was turned-off and there could have been changes there.

    China wasted that chance, and now engages the beast again.

  175. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    In the USA, the number due to direct conflict is thousands and by no means one way.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if alcohol killed more than guns and knives.
    Disease losses can be incredibly speculative depending on the actual pre-Columbian population numbers and most of it is simple contact and unknowing/uncontrollable spread. Things may have gone the other way back to Europe too.

    When they say savage, your Uighur beaters and wet markets could learn a few points.
    Like cannibalism is denied by our liberal academics, but one can see unrelated, multiple complaints in multiple centuries in multiple languages in specific tribal contacts. I’m betting on the eye witness complaints. Of course, one might give parity to some of the CCP organ grabs.

    Meso America clearly had some major pre-Columbian die/kill offs and abandonments, too, with major downshifts in technology before Columbus ever sailed.

    • Troll: d dan
  176. @Smith

    And these countries are “over-populated” because they are highly urbanized… leaving a shitton of land unused.

    That “unused” land is already mostly used by humans — for food, forest products, mining, recreation, military, waste dumping, etc.

    None of that will be in greater supply simply by spreading multiplying billions of humans out.

    Not that you care, but we are in the worst ecological catastrophe in 65,000,000 years. The ever-worsening Pleistocene-Holocene mass extinction is a direct result of human over-population.

    At this point it looks really grim no matter what we do — whether Whites keep submitting to the (((White-genocide agenda))), or whether Whites try to outbreed over-breeders.

    Our best option is to expose the Greater Israel agenda to the entire world.
    — Blacks need to know Israel’s apartheid is “worse than the worst” South African apartheid — and that’s according to the South African Blacks who fought it! Blacks should know what happens to powerful Blacks who utter a peep about Jew Privilege. Blacks should know about massive Jewish slave-trading, then & now.
    — Christians need to know Israel treats Palestinians the same, whether they’re Christian or Muslim — including lots of Israeli churches struck by Jewish Lightning.
    — All Americans need to know the facts about 9-11 — “a new Pearl Harbor,” WTC-7, dancing Israelis, Lucky Larry Silverstein, etc. — and the Balfour Declaration — and the Lavon affair — & the USS Liberty, etc., etc., etc.

    Most anti-White animosity should & likely can be redirected where it belongs. Only then will we be free to act in our own interest — and end this (((Invade the World, Invite the World))) insanity.

    • Replies: @Smith
  177. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden is doing this for a reason. The U.S. is tired of Xi’s antics and the State Department wants to humiliate Xi in front of the other Chinese oligarchs so they’ll kick Xi out of power and install someone more willing to get along with the U.S. Since China is a ‘face’ culture, making Xi lose face and humiliating him in public is an important part of the process.

    Biden is also doing it because he can get away with it.

    The U.S. is China’s best and biggest customer by far. China can’t do anything that will damage the U.S. economy without damaging itself. Nuke U.S. cities? If America suffers serious disruptions, then orders sent out to Chinese factories will stop. China’s workers will lose their jobs en masse, and China will suffer an economic collapse and massive social disruption that it’s eager to avoid. It was turning China into a great big factory country selling goods to the U.S. that created China’s middle-class in the first place. If China’s middle-class loses its jobs and money en masse, they’ll revolt and Xi and his remaining Chicom cronies will be kicked out of power forever.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  178. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    If you visit Japan or western China, you will see a shitton of dying villages with old people in them, and they don’t even produce shit since production is concentrated in the east or near cities. Each day they take train or bus to go to work in the city.

    It’s a lie that say they don’t have enough space to live, more like not enough factories/offices to work in and make a wage, more like.

    Humanity has solved the survival question, now it’s just the greed question.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  179. @Smith

    It’s a lie that say they don’t have enough space to live, more like not enough factories/offices to work in and make a wage….

    Humanity has solved the survival question, now it’s just the greed question.

    If I understand you correctly…
    — Ecological limits don’t exist or don’t matter if they do.
    — The Earth can support endless human population growth.
    — Humans simply need “enough factories/offices to work in and make a wage…”
    — Greed is bad, but human-accelerated species extinction (1,000x above the background level!) so our population can keep growing is OK.
    — We can end White genocide while ignoring (((those))) who relentlessly & successfully promote their (((White genocide agenda))).

    • Replies: @Smith
  180. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    The Earth cannot support humanity forever, but humanity can just go to space to survive my man.

    That’s not to mention the ocean and stuff.

    And yes, it’s actual greed that keeps population decreasing, as richer countries start to fall down in birthrate.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    , @Pat Kittle
  181. @Smith

    You’re putting me on, right?

    • Replies: @Smith
  182. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    I don’t see an argument.

    Every rich country, you ask the families on why they don’t have children, and they say raising children is too expensive and require too much effort/time.

    What do you think cause that problem?

  183. HeebHunter [AKA "PunchTheHookNose"] says:
    @mike99588

    I think most Americans, especially the WWII generation

    And the world thinks that the ongoing destruction of your cuntries and the (((west))) is well deserved. You are living in a bubble the greatest goyim created on the blood of Europe.

    The Japanese will boot you out, and there will be no war with the Chinese, not over some barren islands.

    • Troll: mike99588
    • Replies: @mike99588
  184. Carney says:

    Tell me more about how you’re a freedom loving white patriotic American, as you bemoan how America might hurt the precious sensitive feelings of Communist Chinese.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  185. mike99588 says:
    @HeebHunter

    I’m sure Japan has had and will have a long hard think about its US and strategic relations.

    Whatever stupidity Japan has to put up with from AC/DC has to be balanced by the sheer animus of China toward Japan specifically, and the thuggery of the CCP generally.

    The genocidal aggressions of China (e.g. Tibetans, Turkmans), world scale industrial mercantilism, hegemonic ambitions, along with the militarization, nuclearization and rapine of the seas south of China, complicate life for everyone.

    • Troll: d dan
  186. BuelahMan says:
    @Old Prude

    My guess is that they have no nukes.

  187. @mike99588

    The FACTS are that the US facilitated and enabled Japan’s aggression against a China in decline:

    ‘One should keep in mind that it was in fact Japan, not China, that had benefited from these countries’ support. Japan’s primary source of raw materials like petroleum and scrap iron for its war in China, and of high-end technology like machine tools was the United States. In 1938 the United States (57.1 per cent), the United Kingdom and its empire (Malaya, Canada, India, Australia, 20.7 per cent), and the Dutch and Dutch East Indies (8.6 per cent) supplied 86.4 per cent of Japan’s imported war materials. The United States produced 60% of the world’s oil; the Dutch East Indies less than 10%; 55% of Japan’s oil came from the United States, 14% from the Soviet Union, and 10% from the Dutch Indies.’

    http://apjjf.org/2012/10/37/Richard-J.-Smethurst/3825/article.html

    And protected and nurtured Japan after WWII:

    ‘The result of the U.S. role in the occupation and in controlling the treaty process has been described by John Dower in his recent book, Embracing Defeat: “One of the most pernicious aspects of the occupation was that the Asian peoples who had suffered most from imperial Japan’s depredations– the Chinese, Koreans, Indonesians, and Filipinos had no serious role, no influential presence at all in the defeated land. They became invisible. Asian contributions to defeating the emperor’s soldiers and sailors were displaced by an all-consuming focus on the American victory in the Pacific War” (p. 27). The peripheralization of Asia in the SFPT therefore was no coincidence. It reflected the U.S.’s appropriation of the pan-Asian fight against Japanese imperialism as well as its determination to project its imperial values in the region. Japan would be its adjutant, a role for which Yoshida carefully fought. This required that the U.S. government fully nurture Japan’s dual identity — aligning it with the West and alienating it from Asia. Behind this manipulation also lay a deep-seated fear of Asian nationalism that was expressed through the demonization of communism.”‘

    http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp78.html

    The US not only protected the Japanese state. It also gave protection to the known war criminals including the so-called “doctors” of Unit 731:

    http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/USWarCrime_Coverup.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4maLMHIR_84

    http://apjjf.org/-Christopher-Reed/2177/article.html

    US policy after WWII has been consistent. It punishes NOT the guilty, which is Japan, but the weak, which are Japan’s former victims. It maintained “peace” in Asia NOT by dispensing justice but used its military power to perpetuate the INJUSTICE that was the cause of the war in the first place. Why should anyone be surprised that there are those who do NOT like such an arrangement??? The victims of Japan had no choice for the past 50-60 years but to swallow that injustice, because they were militarily too weak to challenge that setup. Now, however, these countries are no longer so weak and want justice!

    The US also took a RACIAL view when it comes to the punishment of war-criminals:

    In 1945-46, representatives of the United States government made similar discoveries in both Germany and Japan, unearthing evidence of unethical experiments on human beings that could be viewed as war crimes. The outcomes in the two defeated nations, however, were strikingly different. In Germany, the U.S., influenced by the Canadian physician John Thompson, played a key role in bringing Nazi physicians to trial and publicizing their misdeeds. In Japan, the U.S. played an equally key role in concealing information about the biological warfare experiments and securing immunity from prosecution for the perpetrators. The greater force of appeals to national security and wartime exigency help to explain these different outcomes.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4487829/

    • Replies: @mike99588
  188. @Smith

    The Earth cannot support humanity forever, but humanity can just go to space to survive my man.

    That’s not to mention the ocean and stuff.

    Your understanding of physical reality is abysmal — “but humanity can just go to space to survive… not to mention the ocean and stuff.”

    Incredible.

    You continue to steer our attention away from the (((reason))) immigration-fueled population growth (& replacement) continues unabated.

    You “thinking” is motived by extreme ignorance or extreme malice.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Smith
  189. @Pat Kittle

    You’d be surprised just how dumb some of the contributors here are, particularly the anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialists. And, as per Dunning and Kruger, they all think themselves geniuses.

    • Troll: mike99588
    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  190. @mike99588

    Do stop lying you fascist grub. There are NO ‘genocides’ of Tibetans or ‘Turkmen’ in China. That isa Big Lie of utter wickedness, unlike the real genocides of the Indigenous in the Five Eyes countries, and of Filipinos, Latin Americans, Koreans, Indochinese, Iraqis and Afghans in the USA’s serial aggressions. The worst of the Yanks, like you, are very much the most Evil creatures in history.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  191. @Anon

    Easily the pig ignorant Yankee cretin of the week. A FoxNews drone if ever I saw one. But beneath the moron braggarty is shit-staining FEAR. It’s a joy to watch.

  192. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You’d be surprised just how dumb some of the contributors here are, particularly the anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialists.

    I said nothing about climate — I told “Smith”:

    “You continue to steer our attention away from the (((reason))) immigration-fueled population growth (& replacement) continues unabated.”

    Given your professed contempt of “anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialists,” surely you oppose mass immigration into the world’s most notorious carbon emitter (the US). And surely you can direct us to even one example of you ever having done so.

  193. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Physical reality shows that we can live in space via space stations/spaceships, and we can build boats to live on ocean. The possibilities are endless.

    But instead of doing that, you want to population to decrease in order to ward off immigration? Why not just ward off immigration instead?

    And again, you still can’t answer why population growth has declined in rich countries, which is the reason for immigration in the first place.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  194. mike99588 says:
    @Deep Thought

    Americans are/were usually pragmatists.

    The FACTS are that the US facilitated and enabled Japan’s aggression against a China in decline:

    So, Japan was able to put more money on the table to a Depression era US.
    ...oil…
    vs drinking their own oil at \$0.10 – \$1 a barrel while their kids starved in the Depression?!?
    If it was not illegal, even if they socially “stink”, that was a good customer.
    You’re being a comedian or a CCP rep?

    Many here seem to agree Germany was treated poorly because of ethnic warfare, a particular tribe against a particular nation. The tribe won, sort of.

    The german scientists talked early, soon after the war, and were naive.
    The japanese scientists were cagey and better protected by language, and didn’t talk until they bargained with our military somewhat later post WWII, when the priority threats were from CCP, CCCP.

    You seem to think America had/has great preference for Japanese over Chinese.
    Hard to tell. So far we have nuked, outright killed, and detained more Japanese…
    We enriched China far beyond Japan, but China is bigger.

    Many American towns/cities were isolated from Asians before the 60s, their differences unimportant. I literally never saw a Japanese in my home city even though they were there as an invisible farm community, somewhere (you would see the farms, not them). If you wanted to see a Japanese, you could go to a (new) Japanese restaurant in California (my first ca 1961, an exotic experience then).

    Chinese, were not there until trickling in, in the mid 1960s. Our first Chinese restaurant, by refugees from CCP via HK, ca 1965, and then a flood of asians in the 70s.
    The first Japanese I met from my hometown, was at my selective university elsewhere, their second distinguished J-A professor in our department. The first went there during WWII at 15-16. Never noticed a Chinese or Japanese student in my K-12, up to 2400 students. At college, the reaction of one (rare) early 70s HK student, about another, “he’s #1” (in HK).

  195. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    real genocides of the … and of Filipinos

    So, the US took over the Phils after centuries of Spanish exploitation, and two minor wars 1895-1903, with ~7 million starving, mostly illiterate Filipinos.
    Now 111 million in the Philippines, millions more offshore, and millions more 1/2 or 1/4.
    The US bureaucracy and most of the Americans, long gone.

    I think your definition of “genocide” might be a little slanted, a la the CCP.

  196. @Smith

    Physical reality shows that we can live in space via space stations/spaceships, and we can build boats to live on ocean. The possibilities are endless.

    Hard to tell (so far) if you’re a (((hasbara troll)))* or merely mind-bogglingly naïve.

    The entire world is over-populated with humans. Whites are breeding responsibly, but they are being (((deceived))) by (((genocidal anti-Whites))) into believing a smaller truly ecologically-sustainable population is catastrophic, so we need to replace ourselves with over-breeding non-Whites.

    Your humans-in-space-&-oceans “solution” to over-population is so absurd I won’t waste my refuting it unless others, equally clueless, challenge me to do so.

    * hasbara jew troll:
    — (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hasbara+jew+troll&t=chromentp&atb=v214-1&ia=web)

    • Replies: @Smith
  197. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    So because white people aren’t breeding enough, the other races must somehow depopulate themselves to make space for white.

    Never mind the various spaces that aren’t even populated yet.

    This is the deranged mind of the usual white conservatives, for them it’s only less and less, never mind the physical reality.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  198. @Smith

    I repeat — the entire world is over-populated with humans. Whites are breeding responsibly.

    If you simpletons would do the same, you wouldn’t be demanding that we support you.

    You’re not just naïve (as I was hoping). Sadly, you’re simply too stupid to understand how much land is required to SUSTAIN humans. Sustain means indefinitely (I realize I might as well be talking to a doorknob).

    You’re not only too stupid, you’re also too selfish to understand (or care if you did) but I’ll say it anyway:

    There are countless millions of other kinds of life beside humans. They are being driven into extinction faster than anytime in the past 65,000,000 years — and the only way we’re going to fix that (and reduce whatever humans may be contributing to global warming) is to STOP OVERBREEDING.

    If you won’t do that, don’t expect us to throw a pity party for you.

    • Replies: @Smith
  199. @Deep Thought

    The Romans and Germans, at least, have now shown their capability to return to their human roots. For examples, the Germans have made the denial of the Holocaust a crime in their country.

    And you Jew supremacists are quite pleased with yourselves, having connived to make free speech & free inquiry a crime in Western countries. Of course you still have “work to do” before it will be illegal for the goyim to say ANYTHING of which you disapprove.

    Quite the (((extortion racket))) you got going there, shyster!

  200. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    World ain’t over-populated at all, it’s just over-concentrated in certain spots (megalopolis).

    And that’s factual.

    Earth can handle way more people than the current number.

    If the whites want to depopulate themselves, feel free to do so, don’t drag the rest down with you.

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  201. @Smith

    Like I said, basic concepts are far beyond you.

    Care to tell us what race & nationality you are, “Smith”?

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  202. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Vietnamese, born and raised.

    Problems?

    And no, I probably have a better understanding of physical reality than you. What you have is ideology.

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  203. @Smith

    Vietnamese, born and raised.

    Problems?

    Yeah, I do have a problem.

    I’ve always had a lot of respect for Vietnamese. It’s disappointing to encounter someone like you (assuming you’re really Vietnamese).

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  204. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    I really hope that respect isn’t some based on the fact we beat the chinese, the whitey’s current adversary. Either ways, no respect lost.

    Viets have always wanted to have more children, to honor our ancestors. Keep your depopulation agenda to yourself.

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  205. @Smith

    I really hope that respect isn’t some based on the fact we beat the chinese, the whitey’s current adversary.

    I’ve never called a Vietnamese (or a Chinese) a racist slur in my life — but if you feel free to use anti-White racist slurs maybe I should start.

    I heard plenty of them in the US Marines, which is part of the reason I got myself kicked out with an Undesirable Discharge (for “An established pattern of shirking on your part”). I was offered an opportunity to upgrade my discharge to “Honorable” and I declined, saying my refusal to participate in an immoral war means I already have an Honorable Discharge as far as I’m concerned.

    Viets have always wanted to have more children, to honor our ancestors.

    Frankly, over-breeding is stupid ecologically catastrophic behavior no matter who’s doing for whatever reason.

    Keep your depopulation agenda to yourself.

    Fine, then keep your over-breeding agenda to Vietnam.

    BTW, your refusal to confront the (((ultimate terrorists))) makes me doubt anything you say.

  206. @Pat Kittle

    Ignore the guy, I personally suspect:

    1. He is a Vietnamese but the mental illness one.
    2. He is a Chinese troll who speaks Vietnamese so good come here to make Vietnamese like a bunch of delusional.

    Somehow, he is unable (refuse/in denial state) to understand using slurs is the racism one. Weird enough, he even protects the Ukro-Nazi on the Crimea issue. He does not even know the ‘Mouse Utopia’ thing on the overpopulation with unlimited food, you know.

    By the way, on the Smith, he claims he live in Saigon but he never talk about the true COVID death number.

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  207. Smith says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Please do care to confront the (((ultimate terrorists))) by yourself while continuing to depopulate your society.

    By Vietnam history, the ultimate terrorists were the americans.

  208. Smith says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Mouse Utopia is already happening in modern countries, the exact same way, this is why developed countries are depopulating.
    The guy who did the experiment tried to find a solution to it butnever got any funding to it, people are more interesting to quote it instead of fixing it.

    The ways to solve depopulation would also be the same way to solve mouse utopia.

    And yes I do know Vietnam’s current Covid situation, we are falling hard at it, already over 5000 official death, who knows how many else?

  209. @Smith

    About the depopulation or overpopulation, I think you misunderstand something else but allow me to explain about the situation the First World Country from what I know and understand:

    1. The First World Country, let take a look at the South Korea, Japan, and European to get the picture so easlity, has the ‘depopulation’ or ‘old population’ not because the Establisment are depopulating but because many people especially the young ones CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE CHILDREN DUE TO EXTREMELY STRESSFUL WORKING TIME AND CULTURE, not the Mouse Utopia like you think. I know and understand that take care children is a very honor, responsible and stressful thing to do especially I have to do anything to make sure children have good future, feeding a child like feeding about 4-5 adults, at least this is from my experience. Also, the First World people does not dare to have children because they cannot even take care themselves, this from what I know from my experience and investigation.

    2. You are extremely naive to think that going into space can solve the overpopulation. Warm up for you:

    a. Game ‘Dead Space’
    b. Van Allen Radiation Belt and the Moonlanding Hoax.

    You right little bit that going into space may solve the overpopulation problem it is more like a short term or Sci-Fi solution.

    3. I also heard how FUCKED UP Saigon right now, and I truly hope you are OK. I also heard that number of COVID Death is actually about 2 to 3 times than Official Death Number. However, it gives me the thought: If Vietnam, a backward and collectism country, can hide the true COVID-19 death number then there is nonsense that the country like US, China, etc. cannot hide the true COVID-19 number.

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  210. Smith says:

    CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE CHILDREN DUE TO EXTREMELY STRESSFUL WORKING TIME AND CULTURE, not the Mouse Utopia like you think

    This is what I already said tho.

    And yes, it’s actual greed that keeps population decreasing, as richer countries start to fall down in birthrate.

    The Mouse Utopia comes in the fact resources are abundance, yet the individual mouse still has to compete for mate and some got frustrated and lose the desire to mate, and thus gradually depopulating. It is actually not so difference on what’s going in the 1st world countries.
    Yet again, people is quick to point out Mouse Utopia, yet no solution.

    You are extremely naive to think that going into space can solve the overpopulation. Warm up for you:

    a. Game ‘Dead Space’
    b. Van Allen Radiation Belt and the Moonlanding Hoax.

    You put up a horror video game with an ancient alien demon plot to suggest humanity can’t live in Dead Space? If DS shows anything, it shows humanity can live in space, until some alien demon shows up and said alien demons would not allow humanity to live on Earth either.
    I didn’t know the other. Should check it.

    However, it gives me the thought: If Vietnam, a backward and collectism country, can hide the true COVID-19 death number then there is nonsense that the country like US, China, etc. cannot hide the true COVID-19 number.

    That’s their problem. Not us. What matters for us is decreasing the infection and going back to normal.

  211. @Smith

    On the Dead Space part, I will be more specific on what I said:

    My point here you are extremely naive to think that going into the space will solved the overpopulation problem. No, this is not some kind Sci-Fi thing. Going into the space, what can I say, is a shorterm goal for the overpopulation issue, you have to think about the food, energy, jobs, etc.

    On the Mouse Utopia think, you understand pretty good but my point here from my experience, knowledge and investigation is that depopulation in First World Country is not the ‘Mouse Utopia’ like you had describe correctly above or the LGBT+ blah blah blah but because the First World Country Government does not give people especially the young ones chances to build their own lives, dream, and having children. On the US and European education system, they are failed to educate their locals and locals are stupier than immigrant. This is reason why the First World countries like US and European import so much immigrant even Japan considers to make immigrantition policy to be more easy due to their low young population. Here the video:

    Dr. Michio Kaku America Has A Secret Weapon

    H-1B Immigration: America’s Secret Weapon – Michio Kaku

    On the Moon Hoax and Van Allen Radiation Belt, I suggest you should spend about 4 hours to watch the video, and this is reason why I said you are naive to think going into the space will solve the overpopulation problem:

    AMERICAN MOON


    I hope Saigon will back normal about after about 1 month. However, I will not be optimist in the Second Cold War.

  212. Smith says:

    Space has resources, and from resources we can have energy, the issue is living space and food, which can be solved. It will be the next frontier of humanity.

    And the mouse utopia actually has the same problems, with the abundance of resources, yet the individuals do not have enough to live (such as the proper distribution of mates).

    Regarding the 2nd Cold War, Vietnam should wait and see, slowly building up our strength. From what I have seen, while Xi Jinping is definitely a good example of a leader, the chinese government overall lacks the moral integrity to be sided with, they are revisionists and opportunists, the US, even worse.

  213. @Smith

    Space has resources, and from resources we can have energy, the issue is living space and food, which can be solved. It will be the next frontier of humanity.

    Like you describe more about the Mouse Utopia, this is the problem on depopulation on the First World country but the reason for this is on the lack of funding on Education for the locals (H-1B like), people does not have chances to have children because they cannot even take care themselves, Mouse Utopia is more like about ‘self-degenerate even they have ton of food money’ than the realistic reason for the depopulation. I can take travel to the US, the poorest First World country, and you will see that the Mouse Utopia does not happen yet.

    In very far future only, I believe, especially when nobody even care about the Van Allen Radiation belt. If you ask any space expert about the Van Allen Radiation belt, I believe the experts will says it is bullshit to go into the space without the Van Allen Radiation belt protection.

    Our country Vietnam is very problematic now, I mean even Vietnamese, I believe there are many right now, does not respect and love their own country. Saigon COVID-19 pandemic, I’m so sorry if my word is very harsh, is the reality proof how imcompetent and corruption of our country is. If the government do it one and for all since the beginning, then the tragedy will never happen in Saigon right now. It should be painful lesson to remember forever. I mean forcing Vietnamese to use the dangerouse vaccine AstraZenecca since March, I believe, is a very very deadly sign of the corruption and imcompetent.

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  214. Smith says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Of course, Vietnam is in decline now, but the damages are not that bad yet.

    As long as the people are united, we will prevail, as times and times prove again. Considering the pandemic is mostly in the South, it’s further proving that the southern side of government are still very corrupted, and need some punishment.

  215. @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Thanks for injecting some sanity into the discussion regarding over-population.

    BTW, I never heard that experiment called “mouse utopia” — that’s an excellent term for it.

    I’m not ready to call the Moon landing a “hoax.”

    Regards,
    — Pat

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