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  1. This new form of censorship/control is interesting. It’s not the government that will destroy you; it’s private corporations and organizations.

    No one gets thrown in the gulag. Nope, instead, private groups simply destroy your life. You lose your job. You lose friends because they are terrified of the same thing happening to them. You’ll probably lose your family. Naturally, the government won’t step in to protect you.

    Fine, speak out, but you’ll go broke.

    The sad part is that if even a small number of whites fought back by offering jobs to people fired for speaking the truth, creating their own lobby groups and think tanks and hiring lawyers to sue the shit out of everyone, we’d be just fine. But the taboo against white identity is so strong, so ingrained in our culture, that this won’t happen.

    It probably won’t help, but once I’m wealthy enough to live off my portfolio, I’ll take some tiny steps to fight back, in particular trying to start business or community groups dedicated to helping poor whites. (I’ll still get destroyed for even thinking racially.) Granted, I’m a bit of wuss for not doing that now, but there are risks that one is willing to take themselves that they aren’t willing for their children.

    Whether other whites will ever tire of being every other group’s bitch is hard to say. I suppose that upper middle class and wealthy whites can buy their way out of the consequences and still get to feel morally superior. My guess is that nothing much will change until those whites start feeling the pain, which is a very long time from now. (I mean, look at Texas and California. No big groundswell of white identity growing there and they are much farther down the road to Brazil of the North.)

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    "This new form of censorship/control is interesting. It’s not the government that will destroy you; it’s private corporations and organizations."

    Keep word--private. Private corporations and organizations need not be subjected to the First Amendment. It is their property, be it a cubicle or a blog. They set the rules. Don't like them? Leave. Create your own platforms or your own companies.

    On the other hand, why shouldn't the Alt Right or white nationalists or those who allegedly have the "truth" about race and culture speak out on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram? The Coalition on the Left Fringe group need be reminded about what Voltaire said--“I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    "No one gets thrown in the gulag. Nope, instead, private groups simply destroy your life. You lose your job. You lose friends because they are terrified of the same thing happening to them. You’ll probably lose your family. Naturally, the government won’t step in to protect you."

    Boo-hoo. Cry me a river. You know the game. You know the score. And, really, now you want the GOVERNMENT to help you? The entity you clearly show disdain for to come to your rescue? How is that going to work out since a PRIVATE group is not necessarily subject to PUBLIC rules?

    "The sad part is that if even a small number of whites fought back by offering jobs to people fired for speaking the truth..."

    What YOU think is the truth.

    "But the taboo against white identity is so strong, so ingrained in our culture, that this won’t happen."

    You have a different view compared to other whites as to what white identity ought to consist of and how white people ought to act. Which is fine. Knock yourself out.

    "It probably won’t help, but once I’m wealthy enough to live off my portfolio, I’ll take some tiny steps to fight back, in particular trying to start business or community groups dedicated to helping poor whites."

    A portfolio. From stocks and bonds compliment of the New York Stock Exchange. Which is a globalist paradise. So you are going to get wealthy in part as the result of globalist companies making money hand over fist at the expense of white people through cheap imported labor and the selling of empty calories and materialism. That's rich.

    "Whether other whites will ever tire of being every other group’s bitch is hard to say."

    Assuming that white people in reality are someone else's bitch.

    "I suppose that upper middle class and wealthy whites can buy their way out of the consequences and still get to feel morally superior."

    In the manner how you are going to live off your own portfolio?

    "My guess is that nothing much will change until those whites start feeling the pain, which is a very long time from now. (I mean, look at Texas and California. No big groundswell of white identity growing there and they are much farther down the road to Brazil of the North.)"

    Again, maybe today's American whites have an identity and are proud of it, which runs counter to what you believe should be the "proper" identity.
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  2. Alfa158 says:

    She hates anyone who does not share her social and political views, therefore she assumes they must hate her as well. It’s really that simple.
    As far as American values, American is a hate word because they are trying to erase America, therefore American values are anathema to those like her.
    These people are far less complex than anyone thinks, they essentially have the same simple, instinctual motivations as a scorpion.

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  3. It’s a problem for old people that the need for black and white thinking in the country will cause a yeast culture to hate women. A jew is part of the nation in an immigrant society…

    The algorithm could be derailed…

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  4. Yada yada says:

    Until the Jews are encouraged to leave the US and return to their people, this will continue apace. It was a huge mistake to ever let them immigrate here. Ask the Spanish. It was the Jewish citizens of Spain who opened the gates for the Moors and betrayed their Christian neighbors. Which also made the reconquista necessary. All thanks to their wonderful, Hebrew neighbors.

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  5. Yada yada says:

    The oligarchs can’t have their system of usury threatened. That’s why you aren’t allowed to identify with your race or to be a faithful Catholic. Catholicism and nationalism threaten the continuation of Jewish hegemony. They’ve even tried to replace the Crucifixion with what they call the holocaust. No, deicide isn’t the greatest crime ever committed. It can’t be because that would cause people to look at who perpetrated the crime and the oligarchs can’t have that. Just keep shopping, Mr and Mrs America, these be your gods.

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    If you accept black/Asian priests-popes, you are the problem. I'm still a Christian, but we need a church for the West.
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  6. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    This new form of censorship/control is interesting. It's not the government that will destroy you; it's private corporations and organizations.

    No one gets thrown in the gulag. Nope, instead, private groups simply destroy your life. You lose your job. You lose friends because they are terrified of the same thing happening to them. You'll probably lose your family. Naturally, the government won't step in to protect you.

    Fine, speak out, but you'll go broke.

    The sad part is that if even a small number of whites fought back by offering jobs to people fired for speaking the truth, creating their own lobby groups and think tanks and hiring lawyers to sue the shit out of everyone, we'd be just fine. But the taboo against white identity is so strong, so ingrained in our culture, that this won't happen.

    It probably won't help, but once I'm wealthy enough to live off my portfolio, I'll take some tiny steps to fight back, in particular trying to start business or community groups dedicated to helping poor whites. (I'll still get destroyed for even thinking racially.) Granted, I'm a bit of wuss for not doing that now, but there are risks that one is willing to take themselves that they aren't willing for their children.

    Whether other whites will ever tire of being every other group's bitch is hard to say. I suppose that upper middle class and wealthy whites can buy their way out of the consequences and still get to feel morally superior. My guess is that nothing much will change until those whites start feeling the pain, which is a very long time from now. (I mean, look at Texas and California. No big groundswell of white identity growing there and they are much farther down the road to Brazil of the North.)

    “This new form of censorship/control is interesting. It’s not the government that will destroy you; it’s private corporations and organizations.”

    Keep word–private. Private corporations and organizations need not be subjected to the First Amendment. It is their property, be it a cubicle or a blog. They set the rules. Don’t like them? Leave. Create your own platforms or your own companies.

    On the other hand, why shouldn’t the Alt Right or white nationalists or those who allegedly have the “truth” about race and culture speak out on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram? The Coalition on the Left Fringe group need be reminded about what Voltaire said–“I don’t agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    “No one gets thrown in the gulag. Nope, instead, private groups simply destroy your life. You lose your job. You lose friends because they are terrified of the same thing happening to them. You’ll probably lose your family. Naturally, the government won’t step in to protect you.”

    Boo-hoo. Cry me a river. You know the game. You know the score. And, really, now you want the GOVERNMENT to help you? The entity you clearly show disdain for to come to your rescue? How is that going to work out since a PRIVATE group is not necessarily subject to PUBLIC rules?

    “The sad part is that if even a small number of whites fought back by offering jobs to people fired for speaking the truth…”

    What YOU think is the truth.

    “But the taboo against white identity is so strong, so ingrained in our culture, that this won’t happen.”

    You have a different view compared to other whites as to what white identity ought to consist of and how white people ought to act. Which is fine. Knock yourself out.

    “It probably won’t help, but once I’m wealthy enough to live off my portfolio, I’ll take some tiny steps to fight back, in particular trying to start business or community groups dedicated to helping poor whites.”

    A portfolio. From stocks and bonds compliment of the New York Stock Exchange. Which is a globalist paradise. So you are going to get wealthy in part as the result of globalist companies making money hand over fist at the expense of white people through cheap imported labor and the selling of empty calories and materialism. That’s rich.

    “Whether other whites will ever tire of being every other group’s bitch is hard to say.”

    Assuming that white people in reality are someone else’s bitch.

    “I suppose that upper middle class and wealthy whites can buy their way out of the consequences and still get to feel morally superior.”

    In the manner how you are going to live off your own portfolio?

    “My guess is that nothing much will change until those whites start feeling the pain, which is a very long time from now. (I mean, look at Texas and California. No big groundswell of white identity growing there and they are much farther down the road to Brazil of the North.)”

    Again, maybe today’s American whites have an identity and are proud of it, which runs counter to what you believe should be the “proper” identity.

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    Are you stalking me Corny? :)

    I feel the love. (Btw, sorry if I touched a nerve in my other comment about rank-and-file Jews. It seemed to upset you. My apologies.)

    I actually replied to your comment from someplace else. It'd been a long time since I read your comment. Now I remember why.

    Anyway, since you follow me around so much, I figured that you be glad to realize that I focus a bit too much on the doom and gloom side here, but in the real world – the one that counts – things are definitely looking up.

    As to what I’m doing to help my cause, well, I’ve joined a number of civic and business groups where I’m slowly working my way up. I’ve already started to very, very lightly point out policies and initiatives that these groups are following that aren’t “color-blind.” Everytime that someone pushes back against my concern, I see some white (and Asian) faces perk up. (You're right, Corny, maybe some of us can live together or, at least, agree to live apart in peace.) They are beginning to realize that the other side doesn’t want color-blind but is fighting for their group.

    It’s fun to watch. I followed the same path. In time, I’ll say fine, if we are going to target groups, there are certainly areas where whites in particular need help. From there, it’s not a huge leap to creating a white/European-American oriented group.

    I never understand your problem, Corny. All I want is what Jews and other groups already have. (Odd that you don't spend your time on their websites telling me how silly and terrible they are.)

    You see, Corny, I’m not fighting the tide. The U.S. is headed toward some mix of Brazil/California/Texas/Mexico. Can’t be stopped. The question is whether a substantial percentage of whites will start to identify as such and start to act like every other ethnic racial group, and, especially, the Jews.

    Will that happen? Who knows, not even you Corny. But I will say that I have a lot more hope than I didn’t even a couple of years ago. Tribalism appears to be growing stronger, not weaker. No one knows what American even means anymore so people look elsewhere for their identity.

    Anyway, as I said, I haven’t read any of your comments for a long time. Keep up the good work. Your “We are all God’s children”/libertarian schtick works best, btw. Your strategy of bogging things down by demanding that people define understood terms is pretty ineffective. Stick with the libertarian arguments. They work best around here.
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  7. @Yada yada
    The oligarchs can't have their system of usury threatened. That's why you aren't allowed to identify with your race or to be a faithful Catholic. Catholicism and nationalism threaten the continuation of Jewish hegemony. They've even tried to replace the Crucifixion with what they call the holocaust. No, deicide isn't the greatest crime ever committed. It can't be because that would cause people to look at who perpetrated the crime and the oligarchs can't have that. Just keep shopping, Mr and Mrs America, these be your gods.

    If you accept black/Asian priests-popes, you are the problem. I’m still a Christian, but we need a church for the West.

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  8. Here’s a good article that follows up on my comment that is the cuck Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer/gentile Freemason who is the problem.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/gop-must-confront-americas-emerging-totalitarian-left-or-die

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  9. @Corvinus
    "This new form of censorship/control is interesting. It’s not the government that will destroy you; it’s private corporations and organizations."

    Keep word--private. Private corporations and organizations need not be subjected to the First Amendment. It is their property, be it a cubicle or a blog. They set the rules. Don't like them? Leave. Create your own platforms or your own companies.

    On the other hand, why shouldn't the Alt Right or white nationalists or those who allegedly have the "truth" about race and culture speak out on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram? The Coalition on the Left Fringe group need be reminded about what Voltaire said--“I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    "No one gets thrown in the gulag. Nope, instead, private groups simply destroy your life. You lose your job. You lose friends because they are terrified of the same thing happening to them. You’ll probably lose your family. Naturally, the government won’t step in to protect you."

    Boo-hoo. Cry me a river. You know the game. You know the score. And, really, now you want the GOVERNMENT to help you? The entity you clearly show disdain for to come to your rescue? How is that going to work out since a PRIVATE group is not necessarily subject to PUBLIC rules?

    "The sad part is that if even a small number of whites fought back by offering jobs to people fired for speaking the truth..."

    What YOU think is the truth.

    "But the taboo against white identity is so strong, so ingrained in our culture, that this won’t happen."

    You have a different view compared to other whites as to what white identity ought to consist of and how white people ought to act. Which is fine. Knock yourself out.

    "It probably won’t help, but once I’m wealthy enough to live off my portfolio, I’ll take some tiny steps to fight back, in particular trying to start business or community groups dedicated to helping poor whites."

    A portfolio. From stocks and bonds compliment of the New York Stock Exchange. Which is a globalist paradise. So you are going to get wealthy in part as the result of globalist companies making money hand over fist at the expense of white people through cheap imported labor and the selling of empty calories and materialism. That's rich.

    "Whether other whites will ever tire of being every other group’s bitch is hard to say."

    Assuming that white people in reality are someone else's bitch.

    "I suppose that upper middle class and wealthy whites can buy their way out of the consequences and still get to feel morally superior."

    In the manner how you are going to live off your own portfolio?

    "My guess is that nothing much will change until those whites start feeling the pain, which is a very long time from now. (I mean, look at Texas and California. No big groundswell of white identity growing there and they are much farther down the road to Brazil of the North.)"

    Again, maybe today's American whites have an identity and are proud of it, which runs counter to what you believe should be the "proper" identity.

    Are you stalking me Corny? :)

    I feel the love. (Btw, sorry if I touched a nerve in my other comment about rank-and-file Jews. It seemed to upset you. My apologies.)

    I actually replied to your comment from someplace else. It’d been a long time since I read your comment. Now I remember why.

    Anyway, since you follow me around so much, I figured that you be glad to realize that I focus a bit too much on the doom and gloom side here, but in the real world – the one that counts – things are definitely looking up.

    As to what I’m doing to help my cause, well, I’ve joined a number of civic and business groups where I’m slowly working my way up. I’ve already started to very, very lightly point out policies and initiatives that these groups are following that aren’t “color-blind.” Everytime that someone pushes back against my concern, I see some white (and Asian) faces perk up. (You’re right, Corny, maybe some of us can live together or, at least, agree to live apart in peace.) They are beginning to realize that the other side doesn’t want color-blind but is fighting for their group.

    It’s fun to watch. I followed the same path. In time, I’ll say fine, if we are going to target groups, there are certainly areas where whites in particular need help. From there, it’s not a huge leap to creating a white/European-American oriented group.

    I never understand your problem, Corny. All I want is what Jews and other groups already have. (Odd that you don’t spend your time on their websites telling me how silly and terrible they are.)

    You see, Corny, I’m not fighting the tide. The U.S. is headed toward some mix of Brazil/California/Texas/Mexico. Can’t be stopped. The question is whether a substantial percentage of whites will start to identify as such and start to act like every other ethnic racial group, and, especially, the Jews.

    Will that happen? Who knows, not even you Corny. But I will say that I have a lot more hope than I didn’t even a couple of years ago. Tribalism appears to be growing stronger, not weaker. No one knows what American even means anymore so people look elsewhere for their identity.

    Anyway, as I said, I haven’t read any of your comments for a long time. Keep up the good work. Your “We are all God’s children”/libertarian schtick works best, btw. Your strategy of bogging things down by demanding that people define understood terms is pretty ineffective. Stick with the libertarian arguments. They work best around here.

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    "(Btw, sorry if I touched a nerve in my other comment about rank-and-file Jews. It seemed to upset you. My apologies.)"

    Actually, it appears you feel guilty for making a generalization, me calling you out on it, then ignoring my request to offer background and context. But, let us assume you were too busy with your white/European-American oriented enterprise, which is fine. I'll ask again:

    **Now why is it the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews? Moreover, one needs to:
    1) define “rank and file”, “establishment”, and “influential” Jews;
    2) explain how and why the “establishment” and “influential” Jews are engaging in actions that require them to be “kept in check”;
    3) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-
    4) explain how is able to tell if those requirements are working.

    Furthermore, would it be acceptable for “rank and file” whites to “keep in check” their fellow whites like those who espouse the Alt Right, OR would this group be subject to virtue signaling and shaming by the Alt Right for being “race traitors”?

    "Anyway, since you follow me around so much..."

    It's called commenting on what a person said. It's a blog. Don't flatter yourself, chap.

    "It’s fun to watch. I followed the same path. In time, I’ll say fine, if we are going to target groups, there are certainly areas where whites in particular need help."

    Great. But what about those whites who make their own decisions about race and culture? May they have their group, too, without being deemed "race traitors" and "cucks"?

    "All I want is what Jews and other groups already have."

    You do have what they have.

    "(Odd that you don’t spend your time on their websites telling me how silly and terrible they are.)"

    Assuming that those groups on those websites are patently silly and terrible.

    "The U.S. is headed toward some mix of Brazil/California/Texas/Mexico. Can’t be stopped."

    Again, you are basing your line of thinking on a false premise.

    "The question is whether a substantial percentage of whites will start to identify as such and start to act like every other ethnic racial group, and, especially, the Jews."

    They do identify and act like a group--as Americans. Must all or most white people be virtue signaled to death by you and your Alt Right cronies as to how damaging their decision NOT to embrace your policies, values, and beliefs?

    "Tribalism appears to be growing stronger, not weaker."

    Increasing among certain segments, certainly. But into a sustained, national movement, one that will inevitably lead to civil war and the break-up of the United States? Probably not, especially given the attitudes of Generation Z.

    "No one knows what American even means anymore so people look elsewhere for their identity."

    Actually, tens of millions of our citizens know exactly what it is to be an American and are secure in their identity from a racial, ethnic, community, and individualistic perspective. They just have a different outlook than yourself.

    "Your “We are all God’s children”/libertarian schtick works best, btw."

    It's not a schtick, it's a lifestyle. Try it sometime, rather than be in the rat race to make money by the way of Wall Street.

    "Your strategy of bogging things down by demanding that people define understood terms is pretty ineffective."

    That would be you passing the proverbial buck here, rather than focusing on clarifying matters**
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  10. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Are you stalking me Corny? :)

    I feel the love. (Btw, sorry if I touched a nerve in my other comment about rank-and-file Jews. It seemed to upset you. My apologies.)

    I actually replied to your comment from someplace else. It'd been a long time since I read your comment. Now I remember why.

    Anyway, since you follow me around so much, I figured that you be glad to realize that I focus a bit too much on the doom and gloom side here, but in the real world – the one that counts – things are definitely looking up.

    As to what I’m doing to help my cause, well, I’ve joined a number of civic and business groups where I’m slowly working my way up. I’ve already started to very, very lightly point out policies and initiatives that these groups are following that aren’t “color-blind.” Everytime that someone pushes back against my concern, I see some white (and Asian) faces perk up. (You're right, Corny, maybe some of us can live together or, at least, agree to live apart in peace.) They are beginning to realize that the other side doesn’t want color-blind but is fighting for their group.

    It’s fun to watch. I followed the same path. In time, I’ll say fine, if we are going to target groups, there are certainly areas where whites in particular need help. From there, it’s not a huge leap to creating a white/European-American oriented group.

    I never understand your problem, Corny. All I want is what Jews and other groups already have. (Odd that you don't spend your time on their websites telling me how silly and terrible they are.)

    You see, Corny, I’m not fighting the tide. The U.S. is headed toward some mix of Brazil/California/Texas/Mexico. Can’t be stopped. The question is whether a substantial percentage of whites will start to identify as such and start to act like every other ethnic racial group, and, especially, the Jews.

    Will that happen? Who knows, not even you Corny. But I will say that I have a lot more hope than I didn’t even a couple of years ago. Tribalism appears to be growing stronger, not weaker. No one knows what American even means anymore so people look elsewhere for their identity.

    Anyway, as I said, I haven’t read any of your comments for a long time. Keep up the good work. Your “We are all God’s children”/libertarian schtick works best, btw. Your strategy of bogging things down by demanding that people define understood terms is pretty ineffective. Stick with the libertarian arguments. They work best around here.

    “(Btw, sorry if I touched a nerve in my other comment about rank-and-file Jews. It seemed to upset you. My apologies.)”

    Actually, it appears you feel guilty for making a generalization, me calling you out on it, then ignoring my request to offer background and context. But, let us assume you were too busy with your white/European-American oriented enterprise, which is fine. I’ll ask again:

    **Now why is it the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews? Moreover, one needs to:
    1) define “rank and file”, “establishment”, and “influential” Jews;
    2) explain how and why the “establishment” and “influential” Jews are engaging in actions that require them to be “kept in check”;
    3) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-
    4) explain how is able to tell if those requirements are working.

    Furthermore, would it be acceptable for “rank and file” whites to “keep in check” their fellow whites like those who espouse the Alt Right, OR would this group be subject to virtue signaling and shaming by the Alt Right for being “race traitors”?

    “Anyway, since you follow me around so much…”

    It’s called commenting on what a person said. It’s a blog. Don’t flatter yourself, chap.

    “It’s fun to watch. I followed the same path. In time, I’ll say fine, if we are going to target groups, there are certainly areas where whites in particular need help.”

    Great. But what about those whites who make their own decisions about race and culture? May they have their group, too, without being deemed “race traitors” and “cucks”?

    “All I want is what Jews and other groups already have.”

    You do have what they have.

    “(Odd that you don’t spend your time on their websites telling me how silly and terrible they are.)”

    Assuming that those groups on those websites are patently silly and terrible.

    “The U.S. is headed toward some mix of Brazil/California/Texas/Mexico. Can’t be stopped.”

    Again, you are basing your line of thinking on a false premise.

    “The question is whether a substantial percentage of whites will start to identify as such and start to act like every other ethnic racial group, and, especially, the Jews.”

    They do identify and act like a group–as Americans. Must all or most white people be virtue signaled to death by you and your Alt Right cronies as to how damaging their decision NOT to embrace your policies, values, and beliefs?

    “Tribalism appears to be growing stronger, not weaker.”

    Increasing among certain segments, certainly. But into a sustained, national movement, one that will inevitably lead to civil war and the break-up of the United States? Probably not, especially given the attitudes of Generation Z.

    “No one knows what American even means anymore so people look elsewhere for their identity.”

    Actually, tens of millions of our citizens know exactly what it is to be an American and are secure in their identity from a racial, ethnic, community, and individualistic perspective. They just have a different outlook than yourself.

    “Your “We are all God’s children”/libertarian schtick works best, btw.”

    It’s not a schtick, it’s a lifestyle. Try it sometime, rather than be in the rat race to make money by the way of Wall Street.

    “Your strategy of bogging things down by demanding that people define understood terms is pretty ineffective.”

    That would be you passing the proverbial buck here, rather than focusing on clarifying matters**

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    Corny,

    Maybe we'll have beers sometime, but if you're not a rabbi or a pastor, I'll be disappointed.

    But you actually make some good points; Corny trying to clarify instead obfuscate (or, at least, not as much) is a nice change.

    **Now why is it the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews?
     
    You're absolutely right. They have no responsibility at all . . . unless they don't want white gentiles to lump rank-and-file Jews in with their elites, they do. That's the whole point, Corny. Do you really not get that?

    3) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-

     

    Well, a few more Stephen Miller types at the local synagogue wouldn't hurt. Maybe not financing the SPLC would be a nice start. But I get your point, even everyday Jews will get crushed if they speak out. (Trust me, I know. You might find it shocking that I have and have had many Jewish friends. (I have a very Jewey sense of humor, which, oddly, you lack.) I know, I know, so cliche. Indeed, I wasn't too far from marrying a great Jewish girl, well, half Jewish. Sadly, distance and careers ended that. Shame, really, I hope that she married and had a family.)

    Furthermore, would it be acceptable for “rank and file” whites to “keep in check” their fellow whites like those who espouse the Alt Right, OR would this group be subject to virtue signaling and shaming by the Alt Right for being “race traitors”?

     

    Touche! Good point, Corny. You're right, every group has its mores, and, like the Japanese or Israelis, white nationalists would have to shame and punish those who want to import the "other."

    But here's the big difference, I wouldn't attact those who don't want to be a part of my group, same as the Japanese, same as the Israelis. If a white wants to be a part of multi-culti world, more power to them. They just can't be a part of our group. If a Japanese or Israeli citizen wants to reject their people and culture, they can move away. That's fine. But they can't bring that back home.

    C'mon, Corny, you have to understand that for a group or people to survive, they must exclude. It's not fun, but it is necessary. If you have no boundaries, you have nothing. Don't be a sap.

    Increasing among certain segments, certainly. But into a sustained, national movement, one that will inevitably lead to civil war and the break-up of the United States? Probably not, especially given the attitudes of Generation Z.
     
    Don't take me so literally, Corny. Of course, there won't be some civil war. What a joke. As a I said, the U.S. will drift toward some crappy version of Brazil. That's not the end of civilization. We're not talking the late Bronze Age here.

    Actually, tens of millions of our citizens know exactly what it is to be an American and are secure in their identity from a racial, ethnic, community, and individualistic perspective. They just have a different outlook than yourself.
     
    Certainly. However, tens of millions would rather be among their own. Nothing special, just following the Jewish model for how to live both in a society and separate from it. Simple. No bloodshed.

    Try it sometime, rather than be in the rat race to make money by the way of Wall Street.
     
    Didn't I already mention that I'm a bit of an honorary Jew. So sue me, I'm good with money. Wall Street isn't that bad, btw. Capitalism has its flaws, but it's allievated more pain than any other system. Besides, as the great investor Ed Seykota once put it, everyone gets out of the markets what they want. I can't help that some people want to lose money. ;)

    Really, my life is far from a rat race. Fairly quiet, really. I have my wife and kids. It's nice. I don't work crazy hours, and I help people with the money that they've work hard to safe. Is that so terrible?

    That would be you passing the proverbial buck here, rather than focusing on clarifying matters
     
    Wrong. Understanding how people define terms can be extremely important when how people are using terms is unclear. Forcing people to define the color orange when everyone knows what orange means is just being a dick.
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    "(Btw, sorry if I touched a nerve in my other comment about rank-and-file Jews. It seemed to upset you. My apologies.)"

    Actually, it appears you feel guilty for making a generalization, me calling you out on it, then ignoring my request to offer background and context. But, let us assume you were too busy with your white/European-American oriented enterprise, which is fine. I'll ask again:

    **Now why is it the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews? Moreover, one needs to:
    1) define “rank and file”, “establishment”, and “influential” Jews;
    2) explain how and why the “establishment” and “influential” Jews are engaging in actions that require them to be “kept in check”;
    3) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-
    4) explain how is able to tell if those requirements are working.

    Furthermore, would it be acceptable for “rank and file” whites to “keep in check” their fellow whites like those who espouse the Alt Right, OR would this group be subject to virtue signaling and shaming by the Alt Right for being “race traitors”?

    "Anyway, since you follow me around so much..."

    It's called commenting on what a person said. It's a blog. Don't flatter yourself, chap.

    "It’s fun to watch. I followed the same path. In time, I’ll say fine, if we are going to target groups, there are certainly areas where whites in particular need help."

    Great. But what about those whites who make their own decisions about race and culture? May they have their group, too, without being deemed "race traitors" and "cucks"?

    "All I want is what Jews and other groups already have."

    You do have what they have.

    "(Odd that you don’t spend your time on their websites telling me how silly and terrible they are.)"

    Assuming that those groups on those websites are patently silly and terrible.

    "The U.S. is headed toward some mix of Brazil/California/Texas/Mexico. Can’t be stopped."

    Again, you are basing your line of thinking on a false premise.

    "The question is whether a substantial percentage of whites will start to identify as such and start to act like every other ethnic racial group, and, especially, the Jews."

    They do identify and act like a group--as Americans. Must all or most white people be virtue signaled to death by you and your Alt Right cronies as to how damaging their decision NOT to embrace your policies, values, and beliefs?

    "Tribalism appears to be growing stronger, not weaker."

    Increasing among certain segments, certainly. But into a sustained, national movement, one that will inevitably lead to civil war and the break-up of the United States? Probably not, especially given the attitudes of Generation Z.

    "No one knows what American even means anymore so people look elsewhere for their identity."

    Actually, tens of millions of our citizens know exactly what it is to be an American and are secure in their identity from a racial, ethnic, community, and individualistic perspective. They just have a different outlook than yourself.

    "Your “We are all God’s children”/libertarian schtick works best, btw."

    It's not a schtick, it's a lifestyle. Try it sometime, rather than be in the rat race to make money by the way of Wall Street.

    "Your strategy of bogging things down by demanding that people define understood terms is pretty ineffective."

    That would be you passing the proverbial buck here, rather than focusing on clarifying matters**

    Corny,

    Maybe we’ll have beers sometime, but if you’re not a rabbi or a pastor, I’ll be disappointed.

    But you actually make some good points; Corny trying to clarify instead obfuscate (or, at least, not as much) is a nice change.

    **Now why is it the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews?

    You’re absolutely right. They have no responsibility at all . . . unless they don’t want white gentiles to lump rank-and-file Jews in with their elites, they do. That’s the whole point, Corny. Do you really not get that?

    3) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-

    Well, a few more Stephen Miller types at the local synagogue wouldn’t hurt. Maybe not financing the SPLC would be a nice start. But I get your point, even everyday Jews will get crushed if they speak out. (Trust me, I know. You might find it shocking that I have and have had many Jewish friends. (I have a very Jewey sense of humor, which, oddly, you lack.) I know, I know, so cliche. Indeed, I wasn’t too far from marrying a great Jewish girl, well, half Jewish. Sadly, distance and careers ended that. Shame, really, I hope that she married and had a family.)

    Furthermore, would it be acceptable for “rank and file” whites to “keep in check” their fellow whites like those who espouse the Alt Right, OR would this group be subject to virtue signaling and shaming by the Alt Right for being “race traitors”?

    Touche! Good point, Corny. You’re right, every group has its mores, and, like the Japanese or Israelis, white nationalists would have to shame and punish those who want to import the “other.”

    But here’s the big difference, I wouldn’t attact those who don’t want to be a part of my group, same as the Japanese, same as the Israelis. If a white wants to be a part of multi-culti world, more power to them. They just can’t be a part of our group. If a Japanese or Israeli citizen wants to reject their people and culture, they can move away. That’s fine. But they can’t bring that back home.

    C’mon, Corny, you have to understand that for a group or people to survive, they must exclude. It’s not fun, but it is necessary. If you have no boundaries, you have nothing. Don’t be a sap.

    Increasing among certain segments, certainly. But into a sustained, national movement, one that will inevitably lead to civil war and the break-up of the United States? Probably not, especially given the attitudes of Generation Z.

    Don’t take me so literally, Corny. Of course, there won’t be some civil war. What a joke. As a I said, the U.S. will drift toward some crappy version of Brazil. That’s not the end of civilization. We’re not talking the late Bronze Age here.

    Actually, tens of millions of our citizens know exactly what it is to be an American and are secure in their identity from a racial, ethnic, community, and individualistic perspective. They just have a different outlook than yourself.

    Certainly. However, tens of millions would rather be among their own. Nothing special, just following the Jewish model for how to live both in a society and separate from it. Simple. No bloodshed.

    Try it sometime, rather than be in the rat race to make money by the way of Wall Street.

    Didn’t I already mention that I’m a bit of an honorary Jew. So sue me, I’m good with money. Wall Street isn’t that bad, btw. Capitalism has its flaws, but it’s allievated more pain than any other system. Besides, as the great investor Ed Seykota once put it, everyone gets out of the markets what they want. I can’t help that some people want to lose money. ;)

    Really, my life is far from a rat race. Fairly quiet, really. I have my wife and kids. It’s nice. I don’t work crazy hours, and I help people with the money that they’ve work hard to safe. Is that so terrible?

    That would be you passing the proverbial buck here, rather than focusing on clarifying matters

    Wrong. Understanding how people define terms can be extremely important when how people are using terms is unclear. Forcing people to define the color orange when everyone knows what orange means is just being a dick.

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  12. Corvinus says:

    “Maybe we’ll have beers sometime, but if you’re not a rabbi or a pastor, I’ll be disappointed.”

    Not a rabbi or a pastor, just a white American, married with children, who makes his own decisions about race and culture.

    “Corny trying to clarify instead obfuscate (or, at least, not as much) is a nice change.”

    Actually, I clarify more than you care to admit.

    “You’re absolutely right. They have no responsibility at all.”

    That’s not what I stated. Looks like you are the one who is muddying the waters.

    “unless they don’t want white gentiles to lump rank-and-file Jews in with their elites, they do. That’s the whole point, Corny. Do you really not get that?”

    What you don’t get is actually offering specific reasons as to why YOU believe is it the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews. You conveniently danced around the issue.

    “Well, a few more Stephen Miller types at the local synagogue wouldn’t hurt. Maybe not financing the SPLC would be a nice start.”

    Perhaps, but perhaps not.

    “But I get your point, even everyday Jews will get crushed if they speak out.”

    No, that’s not my point. Once again you are misrepresenting what I said. You are no different than an SJW in this regard. Conservative Jews do speak out–just because it is other than reported does not mean this action does not take place.

    “If a white wants to be a part of multi-culti world, more power to them. They just can’t be a part of our group.”

    That would be an individual decision for those in that group, NOT yours to make unilaterally.

    “If a Japanese or Israeli citizen wants to reject their people and culture, they can move away.”

    Just because someone leaves their homeland does not mean they are “rejecting their people and culture”.

    “That’s fine. But they can’t bring that back home.”

    That’s really an opinion on your part.

    “C’mon, Corny, you have to understand that for a group or people to survive, they must exclude.”

    On the surface level, your statement rings true. But one must look carefully at the context and the situation. It depends on how one is excluding and the purposes behind the exclusion.

    “As a I said, the U.S. will drift toward some crappy version of Brazil.”

    Could or may, not will.

    “Nothing special, just following the Jewish model for how to live both in a society and separate from it.”

    You can follow that model even today in the states. Just don’t expect most whites to adhere to it, as they have their own models on how to live and who to live amongst.

    “Understanding how people define terms can be extremely important when how people are using terms is unclear. Forcing people to define the color orange when everyone knows what orange means is just being a dick.”

    Except I’m not asking you to define orange. You made a statement. I’m asking for you to offer CLEAR distinctions here so I do not put words in your mouth. You said it is the responsibility of “rank and file” Jews to “keep in check” establishment and influential Jews? So, what do YOU mean by “rank and file”, “establishment”, and “influential” Jews? Furthermore:
    1) explain how and why the “establishment” and “influential” Jews are engaging in actions that require them to be “kept in check”;
    2) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-
    3) explain how is able to tell if those requirements are working.

    It’s really not that hard considering your life is far from a rat race.

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  13. Not a rabbi or a pastor, just a white American, married with children, who makes his own decisions about race and culture.

    As well that you should. No one trying to stop you. Also, I suspect that you are being coy with the word white.

    I’m a white (sort of) Christian.

    Actually, I clarify more than you care to admit.

    Hey, I’ve always said that you bring up some good points, such as many whites do choose to live to cities that are very mixed. In addition, many white gentiles do think as you do, not that you’re necessarily a white gentile.

    However, you simply refuse to acknowledge certain truths – and, yes, Corny, they are truths, not opinions or shades or orange. Whites – Jew and gentile alike – are taught from the earliest age that white gentiles – but not white Jews – are the cause of much of the world’s problems and that white gentile racism is the cause of any and all gaps in performance between white gentiles and any other group – except, of course, when those gaps favor non-white gentiles such as blacks and athletics, NE Asians and math and, well, Jews and everything.

    However, the evidence does not support this accusation. IQ differences account for much of the achievement gap, including the gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews. I suppose that your argument is that white gentile – but not white Jewish – racism causes the IQ gap, but does white racism also cause the IQ gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews?

    All of the evidence (twin studies, genetic research) points in the direction of genetics accounting most of the IQ gap. You refuse to acknowledge this. That’s dishonest. Yes, you can argue that jury is still out but saying that the preponderence of evidence isn’t on the side of a heavy dose of genetic influence on IQ is simply wrong.

    In addition, you also refuse to acknowledge that whites (gentile or Jew) are threatened with brutal punishments (loss of job, backballed from any other job, public denoucement, etc.) for even questioning the blank state orthodox. The fact that you continually say that whites can stand up for white identity or that the races may difference in average IQ without acknowledging the danger shows either a naivete of a retared child or the duplicity of a con man.

    2) explain how and why the “establishment” and “influential” Jews are engaging in actions that require them to be “kept in check”;

    You see, it’s quotes like this that cause people to question your integrity or sanity.

    Perhaps you could read the NYT, WaPo or Politico for a week or two, or just catch a few of Sailer’s posts. Good grief, man.

    Influentional Jews have been at the vanguard – and have heavily supported with their money – every effort to move the country from a ~85% white Christian country to a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society. (Yes, white gentiles were also involved, but a vastly disportionate amount of the push came from Jews.) If you can’t acknowledge that, I’m done. Parse words with another. I’m not going to waste my time trying to convince you that the sky is blue.

    On this point, I’d have a lot more respect for you if you were just a PR hack. If you really can’t understand the role that Jews have played in the push for immigration to white countries, I truly feel bad for you. Now, argue that whites gentile contributed heavily as well or that the white gentile mass ate it up, that’s fine and true. But to say that Jews were a major – if not dominating force – is basically pissing on my head and telling me that its raining. It’s a tad rude.

    Perhaps, but perhaps not.

    Umm. Ok. Thanks, Corny, very helpful.

    That would be an individual decision for those in that group, NOT yours to make unilaterally.

    I never said otherwise.

    Just because someone leaves their homeland does not mean they are “rejecting their people and culture”.

    Yeah, it kind of does by definition.

    On the surface level, your statement rings true. But one must look carefully at the context and the situation. It depends on how one is excluding and the purposes behind the exclusion.

    Nope. You can’t get around this one. It sucks, but to keep a group together, you have to cut off those who don’t want to be a part of the group. They can’t live with the group, can’t sent their kids to their schools, etc. Look at Amish. Look at the Jews for thousands of years. Jews were brutal. Check of the book, The Chose Few. Jews knew how to exclude. I’m sure it was painful at times, but it’s how you create a coherent group.

    Could or may, not will.

    Name me three countries that are run by blacks or Mestizos that are a disaster.

    You can follow that model even today in the states. Just don’t expect most whites to adhere to it, as they have their own models on how to live and who to live amongst.

    Right, the press – which is heavily what group again – would happily allow a group of white gentiles to start up a European-American community center or school. You see, Corny, this is where you are either a liar or an idiot. I know that you’re not the latter, so it makes me question your integrity.

    Are you a serious person or not?

    ) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-

    You’re right. Middle class Jews can’t control their elites any better than middle class whites. I withdraw. However, groups are judged on the behavior of their elites and shouldn’t complain when that happens.

    In the end, Corny, you’re right in a way. White gentiles who want to be with their own without fear of losing everything should stop whinning about it. Just getter done! I do find the “Woe is Me” around here a bit off-putting though goodness knows that I’m as guilty as any other.

    While you’re wrong that white gentiles can just stand up and create what Jews (or other groups) have withoug getting severely pushished, we certainly fight back, even if quietly at first. You taught me that Corny, so thank you. As I’ve mentioned, I’ve begun to do just that in my very small way.

    But, hey, 100 years ago, who would have thought that the world would look like it does now. My bet is that your average Jew at the time couldn’t have imagined that their people would have a homeland and massive influence over American foreign policy.

    A small number of people working toward a goal can achieve a lot.

    Good night, Corny.

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    "However, you simply refuse to acknowledge certain truths – and, yes, Corny, they are truths, not opinions or shades or orange."

    If they were "truths", there would be little to argue about. But they are versions of truth.

    "Whites – Jew and gentile alike – are taught from the earliest age that white gentiles – but not white Jews – are the cause of much of the world’s problems and that white gentile racism is the cause of any and all gaps in performance between white gentiles and any other group – except, of course, when those gaps favor non-white gentiles such as blacks and athletics, NE Asians and math and, well, Jews and everything."

    Probably because it is overstated regarding how and why Jews are the bane of white existence. In other words, you are arguing from a false premise.

    "However, the evidence does not support this accusation. IQ differences account for much of the achievement gap, including the gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews."

    There is an overemphasis on IQ. Consider that Africa has been independent for only 60 years. Political instability, social unrest, and economic fluctuations all play a role in how and why groups here may have a low IQ. Remember, the Europeans put in place institutions for themselves, NOT Africans, during imperialism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbbuTjntpGc

    Pay close attention from 5:10 to 6:22.

    "I suppose that your argument is that white gentile – but not white Jewish – racism causes the IQ gap, but does white racism also cause the IQ gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews?"

    Actually, there are genetic and environmental causes for IQ differences. And the Bell Curve is not necessarily THE definitive end of the argument on IQ.

    http://www.chabris.com/Chabris1998a.html

    "All of the evidence (twin studies, genetic research) points in the direction of genetics accounting most of the IQ gap. You refuse to acknowledge this. That’s dishonest."

    That has yet to be definitively determined.

    "Yes, you can argue that jury is still out but saying that the preponderence of evidence isn’t on the side of a heavy dose of genetic influence on IQ is simply wrong."

    A dose of genetic influence, absolutely.

    "In addition, you also refuse to acknowledge that whites (gentile or Jew) are threatened with brutal punishments (loss of job, backballed from any other job, public denoucement, etc.) for even questioning the blank state orthodox."

    Depends on how one undergoes their questioning. And those who bitterly rely on this "blank state orthodox" is just as guilty when not considering that IQ has a genetic component. That is why I, and others, are in the middle--IQ is genetically and environmentally based.

    "The fact that you continually say that whites can stand up for white identity..."

    Of course they can stand up for white identity! Whites have been doing so for centuries!

    "Influentional Jews have been at the vanguard – and have heavily supported with their money – every effort to move the country from a ~85% white Christian country to a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society."

    Yet another overblown generalization. Have you ever thought that white people in and of themselves, SEPARATE from Jews, have made this push themselves for a host of reasons? That their own efforts were substantial?

    "But to say that Jews were a major – if not dominating force – is basically pissing on my head and telling me that its raining. It’s a tad rude."

    You are correct. Jews were other than a major, if dominating force, in pushing for immigration.

    "Nope. You can’t get around this one. It sucks, but to keep a group together, you have to cut off those who don’t want to be a part of the group."

    Depends upon the conditions and stipulations. In other words, there are certain lines that are not to be crossed, and there are other lines that may be blurred. You only speak for you, not white people.

    "Right, the press – which is heavily what group again – would happily allow a group of white gentiles to start up a European-American community center or school."

    All over this great land of ours, there are European-American communities. Check out Iowa, for starters.

    "You’re right. Middle class Jews can’t control their elites any better than middle class whites. I withdraw. However, groups are judged on the behavior of their elites and shouldn’t complain when that happens."

    Since when are groups judged on the behavior of their elites? Who made this end-all, be-all determination? What metrics are involved here?

    "But, hey, 100 years ago, who would have thought that the world would look like it does now. My bet is that your average Jew at the time couldn’t have imagined that their people would have a homeland and massive influence over American foreign policy."

    Not as "massive" as you believe.
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    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Not a rabbi or a pastor, just a white American, married with children, who makes his own decisions about race and culture.
     
    As well that you should. No one trying to stop you. Also, I suspect that you are being coy with the word white.

    I'm a white (sort of) Christian.

    Actually, I clarify more than you care to admit.
     
    Hey, I've always said that you bring up some good points, such as many whites do choose to live to cities that are very mixed. In addition, many white gentiles do think as you do, not that you're necessarily a white gentile.

    However, you simply refuse to acknowledge certain truths - and, yes, Corny, they are truths, not opinions or shades or orange. Whites - Jew and gentile alike - are taught from the earliest age that white gentiles - but not white Jews - are the cause of much of the world's problems and that white gentile racism is the cause of any and all gaps in performance between white gentiles and any other group - except, of course, when those gaps favor non-white gentiles such as blacks and athletics, NE Asians and math and, well, Jews and everything.

    However, the evidence does not support this accusation. IQ differences account for much of the achievement gap, including the gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews. I suppose that your argument is that white gentile - but not white Jewish - racism causes the IQ gap, but does white racism also cause the IQ gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews?

    All of the evidence (twin studies, genetic research) points in the direction of genetics accounting most of the IQ gap. You refuse to acknowledge this. That's dishonest. Yes, you can argue that jury is still out but saying that the preponderence of evidence isn't on the side of a heavy dose of genetic influence on IQ is simply wrong.

    In addition, you also refuse to acknowledge that whites (gentile or Jew) are threatened with brutal punishments (loss of job, backballed from any other job, public denoucement, etc.) for even questioning the blank state orthodox. The fact that you continually say that whites can stand up for white identity or that the races may difference in average IQ without acknowledging the danger shows either a naivete of a retared child or the duplicity of a con man.

    2) explain how and why the “establishment” and “influential” Jews are engaging in actions that require them to be “kept in check”;
     
    You see, it's quotes like this that cause people to question your integrity or sanity.

    Perhaps you could read the NYT, WaPo or Politico for a week or two, or just catch a few of Sailer's posts. Good grief, man.

    Influentional Jews have been at the vanguard - and have heavily supported with their money - every effort to move the country from a ~85% white Christian country to a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society. (Yes, white gentiles were also involved, but a vastly disportionate amount of the push came from Jews.) If you can't acknowledge that, I'm done. Parse words with another. I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you that the sky is blue.

    On this point, I'd have a lot more respect for you if you were just a PR hack. If you really can't understand the role that Jews have played in the push for immigration to white countries, I truly feel bad for you. Now, argue that whites gentile contributed heavily as well or that the white gentile mass ate it up, that's fine and true. But to say that Jews were a major - if not dominating force - is basically pissing on my head and telling me that its raining. It's a tad rude.

    Perhaps, but perhaps not.
     
    Umm. Ok. Thanks, Corny, very helpful.

    That would be an individual decision for those in that group, NOT yours to make unilaterally.
     
    I never said otherwise.

    Just because someone leaves their homeland does not mean they are “rejecting their people and culture”.
     
    Yeah, it kind of does by definition.

    On the surface level, your statement rings true. But one must look carefully at the context and the situation. It depends on how one is excluding and the purposes behind the exclusion.

    Nope. You can't get around this one. It sucks, but to keep a group together, you have to cut off those who don't want to be a part of the group. They can't live with the group, can't sent their kids to their schools, etc. Look at Amish. Look at the Jews for thousands of years. Jews were brutal. Check of the book, The Chose Few. Jews knew how to exclude. I'm sure it was painful at times, but it's how you create a coherent group.

    Could or may, not will.

     

    Name me three countries that are run by blacks or Mestizos that are a disaster.

    You can follow that model even today in the states. Just don’t expect most whites to adhere to it, as they have their own models on how to live and who to live amongst.

     

    Right, the press - which is heavily what group again - would happily allow a group of white gentiles to start up a European-American community center or school. You see, Corny, this is where you are either a liar or an idiot. I know that you're not the latter, so it makes me question your integrity.

    Are you a serious person or not?

    ) explain what is required to keep this group “in check” -and-

     

    You're right. Middle class Jews can't control their elites any better than middle class whites. I withdraw. However, groups are judged on the behavior of their elites and shouldn't complain when that happens.

    In the end, Corny, you're right in a way. White gentiles who want to be with their own without fear of losing everything should stop whinning about it. Just getter done! I do find the "Woe is Me" around here a bit off-putting though goodness knows that I'm as guilty as any other.

    While you're wrong that white gentiles can just stand up and create what Jews (or other groups) have withoug getting severely pushished, we certainly fight back, even if quietly at first. You taught me that Corny, so thank you. As I've mentioned, I've begun to do just that in my very small way.

    But, hey, 100 years ago, who would have thought that the world would look like it does now. My bet is that your average Jew at the time couldn't have imagined that their people would have a homeland and massive influence over American foreign policy.

    A small number of people working toward a goal can achieve a lot.

    Good night, Corny.

    “However, you simply refuse to acknowledge certain truths – and, yes, Corny, they are truths, not opinions or shades or orange.”

    If they were “truths”, there would be little to argue about. But they are versions of truth.

    “Whites – Jew and gentile alike – are taught from the earliest age that white gentiles – but not white Jews – are the cause of much of the world’s problems and that white gentile racism is the cause of any and all gaps in performance between white gentiles and any other group – except, of course, when those gaps favor non-white gentiles such as blacks and athletics, NE Asians and math and, well, Jews and everything.”

    Probably because it is overstated regarding how and why Jews are the bane of white existence. In other words, you are arguing from a false premise.

    “However, the evidence does not support this accusation. IQ differences account for much of the achievement gap, including the gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews.”

    There is an overemphasis on IQ. Consider that Africa has been independent for only 60 years. Political instability, social unrest, and economic fluctuations all play a role in how and why groups here may have a low IQ. Remember, the Europeans put in place institutions for themselves, NOT Africans, during imperialism.

    Pay close attention from 5:10 to 6:22.

    “I suppose that your argument is that white gentile – but not white Jewish – racism causes the IQ gap, but does white racism also cause the IQ gap between white gentiles and NE Asians and Jews?”

    Actually, there are genetic and environmental causes for IQ differences. And the Bell Curve is not necessarily THE definitive end of the argument on IQ.

    http://www.chabris.com/Chabris1998a.html

    “All of the evidence (twin studies, genetic research) points in the direction of genetics accounting most of the IQ gap. You refuse to acknowledge this. That’s dishonest.”

    That has yet to be definitively determined.

    “Yes, you can argue that jury is still out but saying that the preponderence of evidence isn’t on the side of a heavy dose of genetic influence on IQ is simply wrong.”

    A dose of genetic influence, absolutely.

    “In addition, you also refuse to acknowledge that whites (gentile or Jew) are threatened with brutal punishments (loss of job, backballed from any other job, public denoucement, etc.) for even questioning the blank state orthodox.”

    Depends on how one undergoes their questioning. And those who bitterly rely on this “blank state orthodox” is just as guilty when not considering that IQ has a genetic component. That is why I, and others, are in the middle–IQ is genetically and environmentally based.

    “The fact that you continually say that whites can stand up for white identity…”

    Of course they can stand up for white identity! Whites have been doing so for centuries!

    “Influentional Jews have been at the vanguard – and have heavily supported with their money – every effort to move the country from a ~85% white Christian country to a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society.”

    Yet another overblown generalization. Have you ever thought that white people in and of themselves, SEPARATE from Jews, have made this push themselves for a host of reasons? That their own efforts were substantial?

    “But to say that Jews were a major – if not dominating force – is basically pissing on my head and telling me that its raining. It’s a tad rude.”

    You are correct. Jews were other than a major, if dominating force, in pushing for immigration.

    “Nope. You can’t get around this one. It sucks, but to keep a group together, you have to cut off those who don’t want to be a part of the group.”

    Depends upon the conditions and stipulations. In other words, there are certain lines that are not to be crossed, and there are other lines that may be blurred. You only speak for you, not white people.

    “Right, the press – which is heavily what group again – would happily allow a group of white gentiles to start up a European-American community center or school.”

    All over this great land of ours, there are European-American communities. Check out Iowa, for starters.

    “You’re right. Middle class Jews can’t control their elites any better than middle class whites. I withdraw. However, groups are judged on the behavior of their elites and shouldn’t complain when that happens.”

    Since when are groups judged on the behavior of their elites? Who made this end-all, be-all determination? What metrics are involved here?

    “But, hey, 100 years ago, who would have thought that the world would look like it does now. My bet is that your average Jew at the time couldn’t have imagined that their people would have a homeland and massive influence over American foreign policy.”

    Not as “massive” as you believe.

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