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The Character Question
Matthew Heimbach arrested on domestic battery charges. Why character is important. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/03/13/white-nationalist-leader-matthew-heimbach-arrested...
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  1. Mathew Heinbach had neither great strategy nor charisma and speaking ability. I guess he had guts to the point of self-destructiveness, which I suppose is a character trait. And, apparently, thought attacking his wife (for being offended about his affair, seemingly) in front of their children was something he should do.

    So, while your video makes a great observation about character being key to leadership, I’m just pointing out there wasn’t anything in particular I could ever see where Heinbach excelled at leadership, even before this sordid affair, no pun intended. (OK, so he became the leader of a miniscule party. Well, if a party is small enough, anyone can form one and lead it, I guess.)

    Certainly his strategic judgement was terrible. National Socialist party, really? In America? The country that fought a years-long bloody war with nearly half a million dead to defeat the Nazis?

    Yeah, that was never going to fly. To think Americans would buy that was insane … or simply disingenuous, implying he had another agenda.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  2. geokat62 says:

    Very well done… completely genuine… the real deal.

  3. Weaver1 says:

    Yes, NS was a bad idea for the US… I told some people that and got accused first of being Hungarian (what?) and then of being Jewish. It was like the moronic Storm Troopers went after me, who try their hardest to ensure everyone hates them.

    I don’t know anything about Heimbach. I had read a few comments online by his acquaintances who said they hoped he’d grow out of it. I assume the guy is German and therefore sympathetic to the massive loss that Germany suffered.

    In the South it’s often said we’re not as apologetic as are the Germans; we haven’t been broken. But at least when I defend the South, I defend it honestly and humbly. I acknowledge, obviously, that slavery was wrong. I still like being a Southerner, however; I believe we had many positives, that indeed the world could learn a great deal from us if only it would take a breather from trying to wipe us out.

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    RamzPaul, you were right about Anglin, especially. I don’t know anything about your conflict with Richard Spencer. (Saw you grumbling at him on twitter)

    Your sort of nationalism is similar to mine. I don’t see any need for nationalists to be scary, scary. What is the alternative to nationalism (and faith)? The alternative we’re speeding towards is Orwellian enslavement, Communist nightmare. So, nationalism seems to me the alternative to jackbooted Communist thugs. And if we want to look to history, we can say nationalism is the alternative to “tyranny” (or despotism). Despots would move people about, destroy groups, as we’re seeing done today.

    The reason we condemn “Communism” today is just because we don’t read history. It’s largely the same phenomenon though. We pretend we face unique struggles when it’s largely just a repeat of what man has been facing for thousands of years, albeit at a larger scale. Moderns are just too “educated” to read books or to otherwise learn about history.

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    Another bizarre phenomenon within the AltRight is the IQ and evolution worship. Such often feels heartless, soulless, and it’s defended as somehow the alternative to “nihilism”. What? One guy recently made a video that I glanced at: The guy was condemning poor, low IQ whites in Europe. Well, isn’t that who makes up much of the nationalist (as well as socialist) groups in Europe? The IQ obsessives seem to have no IQ, no strategy. I’ll end my rant there. Well, the Universal Basic Income is another bad idea. People need to consider a “distributist” approach: Encourage a middle class, small businesses, decentralised economy.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  4. Weaver1 says:

    RE Lee quotes to bolster your speech on character:

    “I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.”

    “Obedience to lawful authority is the foundation of manly character.”

    “A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others.”

    “I like whiskey. I always did, and that is the reason I never use it.”

    “The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He can not only forgive; he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which imparts sufficient strength to let the past be put the past.”

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    That said, politics is probably the domain of demons, from what I’ve seen. One just has to keep a core of oneself that is respected, pray that God forgives. I once saw a quote, I forget by whom, that politics isn’t for a Christian. I believe the quote to have great merit. Much of politics, like war, involves deceit – especially in a democracy and especially when dealing with a large population. It’s like running along a razor-thin balance: If one but slips, not only political loss but damnation await.

    The core motive might be pure, but direct honesty is a luxury in politics, from what I’ve seen anyway. We can but try to make the best of this fallen world. Or we can give up power to others, to guard our own immortal souls.

  5. FKA Max says: • Website

    Matthew Heimbach is going into his first Saturn Return. Many astrologers don’t consider a person to be an adult until they are over the age of 30, and also don’t recommend marriage before that age. I would recommend that leaders in the Alt Right should have gone through their first Saturn Return, i.e. be 30 years or older, before they are given important responsibilities and authority in the movement:

    Your First Saturn Return Preview

    Learn About the Saturn Return and Its Significance

    What is the Saturn Return?:

    This is when the planet Saturn comes back to meet your natal Saturn. It takes about 29.5 years for this slow-mover to return to where it was when you were born.
    The Saturn return hits in the late twenties, and its impact is felt into the early thirties. There’s a second (and possibly a third for the long-lived among us) Saturn return that hits between age 57-60.

    Read an astrologer’s journal of the Second Saturn Return.

    Time to Grow Up:

    The Saturn Return is a wake-up call, and this is why so many fear it’s sobering realities. If you’ve spent your twenties in a fog, coasting on your youthful charm, it becomes obvious that your foundation is too flimsy for the long haul. When you’re young, there seems infinite time to decide what you want to be “when you grow up.” Well, Father Time swoops down as you’re nearing 30 to say, you’re all grown up now, pick a path.

    Time to Get Real:

    Sometimes we make life choices before we really know who we are. At the Saturn return, some of these choices are revealed to be out of sinq with our true destiny. And it’s a big deal, since there may be marriages and whole careers up for review. The U.S. Census reports a peak of divorces around age 30, when promises made in the blush of youth don’t match the core of either person as they approach this turning point. On the other hand, Saturn may bring a fated relationship, that leads to a serious commitment with long-term potential.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-the-return-of-saturn-206368

    Are young marriages doomed to divorce?

    Young marriages are exposed to higher risk of divorce in the first 10 years because the wife’s chances of remarriage are highest when she is young.

    Source: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/are-young-marriages-doomed-to-divorce/ Archived link: http://archive.is/LYYNL

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  6. George says:

    “character being key to leadership” If you are waiting for the second coming of George Washington, you will be waiting a long time. Warren G Harding for all his flaws, including poor health, possible mental issues, and morality, was brilliant at navigating post the WWI collapse of the European Empires.

  7. Weaver1 says:
    @FKA Max

    You risk passing on genetic mutations after the age of 35, younger if a man is overweight. And women can lose the ability to have children fairly early.

    If the purpose of marriage is children, then passing on genetic mutations should be a concern.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  8. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Weaver1

    This article might be of interest to you:

    Misinformation about the findings of “Paternal Age at Childbearing and Offspring Psychiatric and Academic Morbidity,” a study by D’Onofrio et al. (2014)

    The population risk estimates that can be calculated from eAppendix 1 make it clear that the advantages of having an older father compensate for most of the disadvantages with respect to the risks for autism, bipolar, and psychosis, so that offspring of 45+ year old men compared to 20 – 24 year old men are at only moderately higher risks (1.3 to 1.5 times more) for those three problems. The advantages of having an older father outweigh the disadvantages with respect to the risks of ADHD, suicide attempts, substance abuse problems, failing a grade, and low educational attainment, so that the risks for these five problems in the 45+ vs 20 – 24 comparison are actually lower (.7 to .9 times less) among offspring of the older fathers. None of this is made clear in either the original or revised versions of Dr. D’Onofrio’s alarming and misleading press release.

    http://herman-research.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/misinformation-about-findings-of.html Archived link: http://archive.is/7wlHo

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  9. @Christoph Dollis

    Good points. I read the Daily Stormer and listen to some programs on Radio Aryan. On one podcast a couple of months ago, Heimbach was going on about how the USA needs a strong man. He pointed to the strong men of Europe in the 1930s and how they “made people do things to get things done.” This is insanity. National socialism will never get a toehold in the USA. Another thing that’s odd about this Neo-Nazis is how they admire North Korea, Iran. These are horrible countries. There is only one “national socialist type country” and that is Japan. Japan protects its people. It has a capitalistic economy, but is socialistic in that it benefits the Japanese. The Japanese people are free to come and go as they please. Neo-Nazis never bring up Japan. They are possessed with the idea of a strong man. Also, Heimbach and Matt Parrott joined forces with a Jew named Mike Enoch. This is something else that is weird about these people. They rant and rave against the Jews, but they ultimately join forces with them. I’ve read articles that state many of these Neo-Nazis are actually Jewish or government controlled opposition groups. There is a lot of truth in this. The Daily Stormer does have some good articles once you get past the Nazi schtick. I commend Heimbach for defending Richard Spencer at his last attempt to speak at a university. However, a better synthesis of nationalism has to be devised.

  10. @Weaver1

    The IQ question is very important. IQ is destiny. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, blacks are last. We can see this today as we look at the world. It is Western nations and peoples who through centuries created the modern world in which we live today. Also, Caucasians/Europeans have the Faustian spirit. Asians/blacks do not have this. Today, in Asia the smartest Asians are the Japanese. But it took Western intervention to help them modernize and become an industrial nation. Even if some whites have low IQs, they are our people and we are responsible for them. I have no interest in Asians/blacks.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  11. Weaver1 says:
    @FKA Max

    That’s an excellent argument, ty.

    I wonder if bringing grandparents in to help raise children wouldn’t improve things: Extended family households or just passing children between the two. Avoiding harmful mutations seems most important to me.

    So, the nuclear family could be questioned, to cut costs (in favour of the extended family: Living with parents.) As this society becomes more “socialist”, expenses for working families should increase, especially for whites who’ll be further discriminated against. The extended family, as a unit, might become more popular (immigrants seem to live like this).

    Other concerns are you want parents who pass down their values, as opposed to having the schools teach everything. I realise not every parent is skilled at cultural instruction, but ideally someone in the extended family would be. The schools, and even churches, can have harmful cultural components.

  12. Weaver1 says:
    @attilathehen

    IQ is one facet. Its worship, and the worship of evolution, could get out of hand.

    I’m from the South. We supposedly lost our “Faustian spirit”. My great dream is to preserve my people, not to evolve into some new “superior” nonsense. Depending on the type of “Faustian” spirit, I might not have complaint with your dreams.

    I dream of a society of Anglos who aren’t suicidal, though it’s perhaps an impossible dream. Survival is my great hope. To the extent technological advance is necessary, it’s only to ensure societal defence is possible. Otherwise, life is good.

    “Modernisation” has not been entirely positive. In the South, we had many flaws, but our agrarian elite had some positives. We’d be better off under a similar elite than under democracy.

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    Btw, I read the Harappan cities would rebuild exactly as they were, house on top of house, for as long as they existed, until the Aryans conquered them. I like that ideal of enduring. Sparta also endured for a long time. Societies should be built to endure, shouldn’t be suicidal.

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