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Informationclearinghouse recently posted an article by Darius Shahtahmasebi entitled “Israel Keeps Bombing Syria and Nobody Is Doing Anything About It”. Following this publication I received an email from a reader asking me the following question:

“Putin permitting Israel to bomb Syria – why? I am confused by Putins actions – does Putin support the Zionist entity, on the quiet like. I would appreciate your feedback on this matter. Also – I have heard, but not been able to confirm, that the Russian Jewish immigrants to Occupied Palestines are the most ardent tormenters of the Palestinians – it takes quite some doing to get ahead of the likes of Netanyahu. Please comment”.

While in his article Darius Shahtahmasebi wonders why the world is not doing anything to stop the Israelis (“Why haven’t Iran, Syria, and/or Hezbollah in Lebanon responded directly?“), my reader is more specific and wonders why Putin (or Russia) specifically is not only “permitting” Israel to bomb Syria but even possibly “supporting” the Zionist Entity.

I often see that question in emails and in comments, so I wanted to address this issue today.

First, we need to look at some critical assumption implied by this question. These assumptions are:

  1. That Russia can do something to stop the Israelis
  2. That Russia should (or even is morally obliged) to do something.

Let me begin by saying that I categorically disagree with both of these assumptions, especially the 2nd one. Let’s take them one by one.

Assumption #1: Russia can stop the Israeli attacks on Syria

How? I think that the list of options is fairly obvious here. Russian options range from diplomatic action (such as private or public protests and condemnations, attempts to get a UNSC Resolution passed) to direct military action (shooting down Israeli aircraft, “painting” them with an engagement radar to try to scare them away or, at least, try to intercept Israeli missiles).

Trying to reason with the Israelis or get the to listen to the UN has been tried by many countries for decades and if there is one thing which is beyond doubt is that the Israelis don’t give a damn about what anybody has to say. So talking to them is just a waste of oxygen. What about threatening them? Actually, I think that this could work, but at what risk and price?

First of all, while I always said that the IDF’s ground forces are pretty bad, this is not the case of their air forces. In fact, their record is pretty good. Now if you look at where the Russian air defenses are, you will see that they are all concentrated around Khmeimim and Tartus. Yes, an S-400 has a very long range, but that range is dependent on many things including the size of the target, its radar-cross section, its electronic warfare capabilities, the presence of specialized EW aircraft, altitude, etc. The Israelis are skilled pilots who are very risk averse so they are very careful about what they do. Finally, the Israelis are very much aware of where the Russians are themselves and where there missiles are. I think that it would be pretty safe to say that the Israelis make sure to keep a minimal safe distance between themselves and the Russians, if only to avoid any misunderstanding.

But let’s say that the Russians did have a chance to shoot down an Israeli aircraft – what would be the likely Israeli reaction to such a shooting? In this article Darius Shahtahmasebi writes: “Is it because Israel reportedly has well over 200 nukes all “pointed at Iran,” and there is little Iran and its allies can do to take on such a threat?” I don’t see the Israelis use nukes on Russian forces, however, that does in no way mean that the Russians when dealing with Israel should not consider the fact that Israel is a nuclear armed power ruled by racist megalomaniacs. In practical terms this means this: “should Russia (or any other country) risk a military clash with Israel over a few destroyed trucks or a weapons and ammunition dump”? I think that the obvious answer is clearly ‘no’.

While this is the kind of calculations the US simply ignores (at least officially – hence all the saber-rattling against the DPRK), Russia is ruled by a sane and responsible man who cannot make it a habit of simply waltzing into a conflict hence the Russian decision not to retaliate in kind against the shooting down of the Russian SU-24 by the Turks. If the Russians did not retaliate against the Turks shooting down one of their own aircraft, they sure ain’t gonna attack the Israelis when they attack a non-Russian target!

There are also simply factual issues to consider: even if some Russian air-defense systems are very advanced and could shoot down an X number of Israeli aircraft, they are nowhere near numerous enough to prevent the entire Israeli air force from saturating them. In fact, both Israel and CENTCOM simply have such a numbers advantage over the relatively small Russian contingent that they both could over-run the Russian defenses, even if they would take losses in the process.

So yes, the Russian probably could stop one or a few Israeli attacks, but if the Israelis decided to engage in a sustained air campaign against targets in Syria there is nothing the Russians could do short of going to war with Israel. So here again a very basic strategic principle fully applies: you never want to start an escalatory process you neither control nor can win. Put simply this means: if the Russians shoot back – they lose and the Israelis win. It’s really that simple and both sides know it (armchair strategist apparently don’t).

And this begs a critical look at the second assumption:

Assumption #2: Russia has some moral duty to stop the Israeli attacks on Syria

ORDER IT NOW

This is the one which most baffles me. Why in the world would anybody think that Russia owes anybody anywhere on the planet any type of protection?! For starters, when is the last time somebody came to the help of Russia? I don’t recall anybody in the Middle-East offering their support to Russia in Chechnia, Georgia or, for that matter, the Ukraine! How many countries in the Middle-East have recognized South Ossetia or Abkhazia (and compare that with the Kosovo case!)? Where was the Muslim or Arab “help” or “friendship” towards Russia when sanctions were imposed and the price of oil dropped? Remind me – how exactly did Russia’s “friends” express their support for Russia over, say, the Donbass or Crimea?

Can somebody please explain to me why Russia has some moral obligation towards Syria or Iran or Hezbollah when not a single Muslim or Arab country has done anything to help the Syrian government fight against the Takfiris? Where is the Arab League!? Where is the Organization of Islamic Cooperation?!

Is it not a fact that Russia has done more in Syria than all the countries of the Arab League and the OIC combined?!

Where do the Arab and Muslims of the Middle-East get this sense of entitlement which tells them that a faraway country which struggles with plenty of political, economic and military problems of its own has to do more than the immediate neighbors of Syria do?!

Putin is the President of Russia and he is first and foremost accountable to the Russian people to whom he has to explain every Russian casualty and even every risk he takes. It seems to me that he is absolutely right when he acts first and foremost in defense of the people who elected him and not anybody else.

By the way – Putin was very clear about why he was ordering a (very limited) Russian military intervention in Syria: to protect Russian national interests by, for example, killing crazy Takfiris in Syria so as not to have to fight then in the Caucasus and the rest of Russia. At no time and in no way did any Russian official refer to any kind of obligation of Russia towards Syria or any other country in the region. True, Russia did stand by President Assad, but that was not because of any obligation towards him or his country, but because the Russians always insisted that he was the legitimate President of Syria and that only the Syrian people had the right to replace (or keep) him. And, of course, it is in the Russian national interest to show that, unlike the US, Russia stands by her allies. But none of that means that Russia is now responsible for the protection of the sovereignty of the Syrian airspace or territory.

As far as I am concerned, the only country which has done even more than Russia for Syria is Iran and, in lieu of gratitude the Arab countries “thank” the Iranians by conspiring against them with the US and Israel. Hassan Nasrallah is absolutely spot on when the calls all these countries traitors and collaborators of the AngloZionist Empire.

There is something deeply immoral and hypocritical in this constant whining that Russia should do more when in reality Russia and Iran are the only two countries doing something meaningful (and Hezbollah, of course!).

Now let me address a few typical questions:

Question #1: but aren’t Syria, Iran and Hezbollah Russian allies?

Yes and no. Objectively – yes. Formally – no. What this means is that while these three entities do have some common objectives, they are also independent and they all have some objectives not shared by others. Furthermore, they have no mutual defense treaty and this is why neither Syria, nor Iran nor Hezbollah retaliated against Turkey when the Turks shot down the Russian SU-24. While some might disagree, I would argue that this absence of a formal mutual defense treaty is a very good thing if only because it prevents Russian or Iranian forces in Syria from becoming “tripwire” forces which, if attacked, would require an immediate response. In a highly dangerous and explosive situation like the Middle-East the kind of flexibility provided by the absence any formal alliances is a big advantage for all parties involved.

Question #2 : does that mean that Russia is doing nothing or even supporting Israel?

Of course not! In fact, Netanyahu even traveled to Moscow to make all sorts of threats and he returned home with nothing (Russian sources even report that the Israelis ended up shouting at their Russian counterparts). Let’s restate here something which ought to be obvious to everybody: the Russian intervention in Syria was an absolute, total and unmitigated disaster for Israel (I explain that in detail in this article). If the Russians had any kind of concern for Israelis interests they would never have intervened in Syria in the first place! However, that refusal to let Israel dictate Russian policies in the Middle-East (or elsewhere) does not at all mean that Russia can simply ignore the very real power of the Israelis, not only because of their nukes, but also because of their de-facto control of the US government.

Question #3: so what is really going on between Russia and Israel?

As I have explained elsewhere, the relationship between Russia and Israel is a very complex and multi-layered one and nothing between those two countries is really black or white. For one thing, there is a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Russia at which Putin has been chipping away over the years, but only in very small and incremental steps. The key for Putin is to do what needs to be done to advance Russian interests but without triggering an internal or external political crisis. This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.

Conclusion

We live in a screwed-up and dysfunctional society which following decades of US domination conflates war and aggression with strength, which implicitly accepts the notion that a “great country” is one which goes on some kind of violent rampage on a regular basis and which always resorts to military force to retaliate against any attack. I submit that the Russian and Iranian leaders are much more sophisticated then that. The same goes for the Hezbollah leadership, by the way. Remember when the Israelis (with the obvious complicity of some members of the Syrian regime, by the way) murdered Imad Mughniyeh? Hezbollah promised to retaliate, but so far, almost a decade later, they have not (or, at least, not officially). Some will say that Hezbollah’s threats were empty words – I totally disagree. When Hassan Nasrallah promises something you can take it to the bank. But Hezbollah leaders are sophisticated enough to retaliate when the time is right and on their own terms. And think about the Iranians who since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 have been in the crosshairs of both the US and Israel and who never gave either one of them the pretext to strike.

When you are much more powerful than your opponent you can be stupid and reply on brute, dumb force. At least for the short to middle term. Eventually, as we see with the US today, this kind of aggressive stupidity backfires and ends up being counterproductive. But when you are smaller, weaker or even just still in the process of recovering your potential strength you have to act with much more caution and sophistication. This is why all the opponents of the AngloZionist Empire (including Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela) do their utmost to avoid using force against the AngloZionists even when it would be richly deserved. The one exception to this rule is Kim Jong-un who has chosen a policy of hyperinflated threats which, while possibly effective (he seems to have outwitted Trump, at least so far) is also very dangerous and one which none of the Resistance countries want to have any part in.

The Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah are all “grown adults” (in political terms), and Assad is learning very fast, and they all understand that they are dealing with a “monkey with a hand grenade” (this fully applies to both Israeli and US leaders) which combines a nasty personality, a volatile temper, a primitive brain and a hand grenade big enough to kill everybody in the room. Their task is to incapacitate that monkey without having it pull the pin. In the case of the Israeli strikes on Syria, the primary responsibility to respond in some manner would fall either on the target of the strikes (usually Hezbollah) or on the nation whose sovereignty was violated (Syria). And both could, in theory, retaliate (by using tactical missiles for example). Yet they chose not to, and that is the wise and correct approach. As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.

Addendum 1:

One more thing. Make no mistake – the Israeli (and US!) propensity to use force as a substitute for diplomacy is a sign of weakness, not of strength. More accurately, their use of force, or the threat of force, is the result of their diplomatic incompetence. While to the unsophisticated mind the systematic use of force might appear as an expression of power, history shows that brute force can be defeated when challenged not directly, but by other means. This is, by necessity, a slow process, much slower than a (mostly entirely theoretical) “quick victory”, but an ineluctable one nonetheless. In purely theoretical terms, the use of force can roughly have any one of the following outcomes: defeat, stalemate, costly victory and a relatively painless victory. That last one is exceedingly rare and the use of force mostly results in one of the other outcomes. Sometimes the use of force is truly the only solution, but I submit that the wise political leader will only resort to it when all other options have failed and when vital interests are at stake. In all other situation a “bad peace is preferable to a good war”.

Addendum 2:

Contrary to the hallucinations of the Neocons, Russia is absolutely not a “resurgent USSR” and Putin has no desire whatsoever to rebuilt the Soviet Union. Furthermore, there is no meaningful constituency in Russia for any such “imperial” plans (well, there are always some lunatics everywhere, but in Russia they are, thank God, a tiny powerless minority). Furthermore, the new Russia is most definitely not an “anti-US” in the sense of trying to counter every US imperial or hegemonic move. This might be obvious to many, but I get so many questions about why Russia is not doing more to counter the US in Africa, Latin America or Asia that I feel that it is, alas, still important to remind everybody of a basic principle of international law and common sense: problems in country X are for country X to deal with. Russia has no more business than the US in “solving” country X’s problems.

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Furthermore, country X’s problems are usually best dealt with by country X’s immediate neighbors, not by megalomaniac messianic superpowers who feel that they ought to “power project” because they are somehow “indispensable” or because “manifest destiny” has placed upon them the “responsibility” to “lead” the world. All this terminology is just the expression of a pathological and delusional imperial mindset which has cost Russia and the Soviet Union an absolutely horrendous price in money, energy, resources and blood (for example, the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was justified in terms of the “internationalist duty” of the Soviet Union and people to help a “brotherly nation”).

While this kind of nonsense is still 100% mainstream in the poor old US, it is absolutely rejected in modern Russia. For all the personal credibility of Putin with the Russian people, even he could not get away with trying to militarily intervene, nevemind police the whole planet, unless truly vital Russian interests were threatened (Crimea was such a very rare case). Some will deplore this, I personally very much welcome it, but the truth is that “the Russians are *not* coming”.

 
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  1. Randal says:

    As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.

    A bit of a “curate’s egg” of a piece. It starts off with a lengthy and rather overstated set of excuses, essentially, for Russia not acting precipitately to protect its de facto allies Syria and Hezbollah from ongoing Israeli aggression. The points he makes are not wholly wrong, they are just unbalanced by the relevant and valid counter arguments, and he jumps straight from whether Russia can stop the attacks to whether it has a “moral obligation” to do so without considering what is actually important here – whether Russia has an interest in doing so. In fact there are good reasons for Russia to seek to deter such Israeli attacks, as and when that can be achieved effectively and safely.

    The reasons are primarily that these attacks impose significant costs and disruption on important regional Russian allies just at the time when those allies are trying to mop up and recover from years of debilitating warfare, counter to Russia’s interests, and also that they further the US “might makes right” lawless approach to international relations (exemplified by the Kosovo and Iraq wars, and Israel’s behaviour generally) over Russia’s preferred multilateral law-based one that complies with all parties’ UN Charter commitments. Further if there is an attempt by the US’s allies to destroy Russia’s allies in the region, the stronger Syrian air defences are and the better their performance against Israeli/US air power, the better for Russia because the greater the costs imposed upon the US and its proxies.

    As for “moral obligations”, this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda, but if it is going to be raised then the situation is certainly not as clear cut as Saker pretends. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have fought shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the same enemies and that creates a moral obligation, for whatever that is worth (very little in reality).

    However, after making what seems to be a one sided apologia for Russia Saker then contradicts himself by pointing out what Russia most likely actually is doing (certainly it would seem to me to be the most sensible approach):

    This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

    Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

    So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.

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    Yes, this is not one of the Saker’s best pieces, I agree with most of your points. Principally, the Saker does not answer the question of his reader and talks about Africa instead and then he skips that it is the Russian interest to prevent Israel from destroying Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah assets fighting the Israel sponsored terrorists in Syria that Russia is also bombing.

    The main reason Russia has not engaged Israel are not Israel’s nuclear weapons then the fact that such action would unite the monster of the world-wide Jewery against Putin and Russia. Putin survived and thrived only because he had friendly Jews opposing those Jews who were pillaging Russia. If all Jews united against Putin, he would not last long. This is the reason in a nutshell.

    But Saker discussed other very relevant points and very clearly - for example the artful cooking of the hyper-aggressive frog by remaining always below its threshold of “justified outrage” whilst accepting some rather painful blows.

    , @Andrei Martyanov

    As for “moral obligations”, this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda
     
    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums. Currently Russia has two S-400 and 1 S-300 systems in Syria (not counting other assets) but majority of people still continue to think that they are there to defend Syria--it is down right false. They are there to defend Russian assets. It is their primary role.
    , @Anonymous
    Agree. The article is a mixture of good analysis and almost childish, emotional outbursts like this:

    This is the one which most baffles me. Why in the world would anybody think that Russia owes anybody anywhere on the planet any type of protection?! For starters, when is the last time somebody came to the help of Russia?
     
    The sane answer is that Russia "owes" it to itself. They, along with China, are the ultimate targets of the Tribe. Syria and Iran are just the stepping stones. If Russia wants to survive, it needs allies and it won't have any if it can't offer certain measure of protection to them. So while I agree with his conclusion that Russia shouldn't attack those planes now, the reason is certainly not "why should they do anything".
    , @James in New Mexico
    If Israel is illegitimate as the International Community of Orthodox Jews states, let’s pray for Christ’s return and the destruction of evil, to include Israel.
    , @adude
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=putin+and+jews&t=ffnt&atb=v89-7_w&iax=images&ia=images

    Well if texxe marrs is right , america will eventually nuke "itsrealyhell
    Both countries are not in bed with the "jews" , they are NOT jews according to the bible , but by man made traditions
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  2. “Their task is to incapacitate that monkey without having it pull the pin.”

    The pin has been pulled for some time … the monkey is just itching for a reason to flip the spoon.

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  3. Kiza says:
    @Randal

    As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.
     
    A bit of a "curate's egg" of a piece. It starts off with a lengthy and rather overstated set of excuses, essentially, for Russia not acting precipitately to protect its de facto allies Syria and Hezbollah from ongoing Israeli aggression. The points he makes are not wholly wrong, they are just unbalanced by the relevant and valid counter arguments, and he jumps straight from whether Russia can stop the attacks to whether it has a "moral obligation" to do so without considering what is actually important here - whether Russia has an interest in doing so. In fact there are good reasons for Russia to seek to deter such Israeli attacks, as and when that can be achieved effectively and safely.

    The reasons are primarily that these attacks impose significant costs and disruption on important regional Russian allies just at the time when those allies are trying to mop up and recover from years of debilitating warfare, counter to Russia's interests, and also that they further the US "might makes right" lawless approach to international relations (exemplified by the Kosovo and Iraq wars, and Israel's behaviour generally) over Russia's preferred multilateral law-based one that complies with all parties' UN Charter commitments. Further if there is an attempt by the US's allies to destroy Russia's allies in the region, the stronger Syrian air defences are and the better their performance against Israeli/US air power, the better for Russia because the greater the costs imposed upon the US and its proxies.

    As for "moral obligations", this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda, but if it is going to be raised then the situation is certainly not as clear cut as Saker pretends. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have fought shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the same enemies and that creates a moral obligation, for whatever that is worth (very little in reality).

    However, after making what seems to be a one sided apologia for Russia Saker then contradicts himself by pointing out what Russia most likely actually is doing (certainly it would seem to me to be the most sensible approach):


    This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

    Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

    So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.
     

    Yes, this is not one of the Saker’s best pieces, I agree with most of your points. Principally, the Saker does not answer the question of his reader and talks about Africa instead and then he skips that it is the Russian interest to prevent Israel from destroying Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah assets fighting the Israel sponsored terrorists in Syria that Russia is also bombing.

    The main reason Russia has not engaged Israel are not Israel’s nuclear weapons then the fact that such action would unite the monster of the world-wide Jewery against Putin and Russia. Putin survived and thrived only because he had friendly Jews opposing those Jews who were pillaging Russia. If all Jews united against Putin, he would not last long. This is the reason in a nutshell.

    But Saker discussed other very relevant points and very clearly – for example the artful cooking of the hyper-aggressive frog by remaining always below its threshold of “justified outrage” whilst accepting some rather painful blows.

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    Your theory that Putin survived because he had friendly Jews to counter-balance the others seems plausible to me, but it raises the issue of how such a small group can be so powerful. I guess that's an old question, but it really needs to be addressed more openly and abuses of Jewish power noted and countered. The politics of victimhood is starting to drown every other way of thinking about politics, with Jews as the Master Victims who get to define and arbitrate the claims of other victim groups.
    , @anarchyst
    If a nuclear device is "lit off" in an American city, it will have Israel's fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running as well as sabotaging the Palestinian "peace process" that the world wants it to take seriously.

    The "power outage" in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical "sleight of hand", as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the "power outage" without receiving customs clearance or inspection. Just maybe another one of Israel's nukes was just being pre-positioned, getting ready for "the big one". As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel's benefit, another "incident" on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel's benefit. Israel's "samson option" is a real threat to "light one off" in a European or American city, if Israel's interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.
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  4. headrick says:

    Most political observers look at geopolitics as a sort of sports activity, with teams and scoring.
    Pride over “my side” scoring some points in a game of fixed length and set rules that does not
    allow the game to morph and grow, makes this view dangerous. Saker is totally right. Sometimes one might like to give a bully a black eye- I get that, like when Hezbollah gave Israel a black eye in 2006. But it would bring a smile to the face regardless of strategic consequences to shoot down a Israeli warplane over Syria from time to time.

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  5. @Randal

    As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.
     
    A bit of a "curate's egg" of a piece. It starts off with a lengthy and rather overstated set of excuses, essentially, for Russia not acting precipitately to protect its de facto allies Syria and Hezbollah from ongoing Israeli aggression. The points he makes are not wholly wrong, they are just unbalanced by the relevant and valid counter arguments, and he jumps straight from whether Russia can stop the attacks to whether it has a "moral obligation" to do so without considering what is actually important here - whether Russia has an interest in doing so. In fact there are good reasons for Russia to seek to deter such Israeli attacks, as and when that can be achieved effectively and safely.

    The reasons are primarily that these attacks impose significant costs and disruption on important regional Russian allies just at the time when those allies are trying to mop up and recover from years of debilitating warfare, counter to Russia's interests, and also that they further the US "might makes right" lawless approach to international relations (exemplified by the Kosovo and Iraq wars, and Israel's behaviour generally) over Russia's preferred multilateral law-based one that complies with all parties' UN Charter commitments. Further if there is an attempt by the US's allies to destroy Russia's allies in the region, the stronger Syrian air defences are and the better their performance against Israeli/US air power, the better for Russia because the greater the costs imposed upon the US and its proxies.

    As for "moral obligations", this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda, but if it is going to be raised then the situation is certainly not as clear cut as Saker pretends. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have fought shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the same enemies and that creates a moral obligation, for whatever that is worth (very little in reality).

    However, after making what seems to be a one sided apologia for Russia Saker then contradicts himself by pointing out what Russia most likely actually is doing (certainly it would seem to me to be the most sensible approach):


    This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

    Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

    So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.
     

    As for “moral obligations”, this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda

    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums. Currently Russia has two S-400 and 1 S-300 systems in Syria (not counting other assets) but majority of people still continue to think that they are there to defend Syria–it is down right false. They are there to defend Russian assets. It is their primary role.

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    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums.
     
    True, and perhaps that would justify writing a piece specifically addressing that tendency, in general or in the particular case. It's applicable to many if not all questions of war and peace, and indeed it's hard, even for analysts genuinely trying to be as objective as possible, to avoid it entirely.

    I just think there was a glaring omission here in jumping to "moral obligation" without addressing interests, as I noted in my comment. The question to which the piece addresses itself, of how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.
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  6. problems in country X are for country X to deal with.

    People in America only remember that when it comes to questions of whether or not to help whites, such as in South Africa.

    The rest of the time both the right and the left treat ‘Team America: World Police’ like it’s gospel.

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  7. peterAUS says:

    Saker could’ve written just this:

    Russia does have moral obligation to protect its allies. That is the very essence of being an ally in the first place isn’t it?

    It can not do so, in this case, for two reasons:
    The actual capability in the region doesn’t allow for it. It was not planned, deployed and organized as such.
    The outcome of that protection would harm Russia’s interests, both locally and globally.

    Russia, actually, has delivered that moral obligation in spades. It protected Assad’s regime.
    All the rest is nitpicking, mostly from “Israel haters”.

    Now..should Israel got involved full scale to topple Assad that would be different story.
    But, that’s the part where those couple of chats Putin had with Netanyahu comes in, I guess. The diplomatic part.

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    Your comment makes good sense except for the last part where you label anyone critical of Israel as an Israel hater.

    FYI - Israel HAS been involved FULL SCALE to topple Assad for several years now with air attacks on Syria's armed forces, ammunition stores and vital infrastructure. The involvement has even included taking wounded terrorists of the head-chopping variety back into Israel so that they could receive first class medical treatment to enable them to resume violent actions against Assad and the Syrian people. BTW, Assad IS the legitimate leader of Syria.

    Imagine thugs coming into your home, raping your wife and daughter, killing your sons and your dog, looting the place before setting fire to it and then finding out that your troublesome neighbour not only put them up to it but even gave them shelter when you unexpectedly showed up. I suppose you'd be saying that if they ever do anything really bad to you then you'll take some action.
    , @Paranam Kid
    What is wrong with "Israel haters"? There are Russia haters, North Korea haters, Cuba haters, Venezuela haters, Iran haters, China haters, Germany haters, etc., but somehow nobody has any problems with that, nobody ever uses those terms. The only "hater" term employed is in the context of Israel - now why is that? Because the country is exceptional, Jews/Zionists are allowed to do whatever pleases them because their forebears suffered in the Holocaust? What is your gripe?
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  8. consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    It’s not even admitted that so many missiles didn’t reach their targets. Several sources counted well over 40 targets hit (some counted on satellite photos), with several targets hit by multiple missiles. So what are the sources for this above statement?

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    It would be nice if someone (anyone) helped me out here. What could be the source for this statement:

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.
     
    Apparently it was only the Russians who said the majority of missiles didn't even reach their targets. Their claims are disputed, to put it mildly. Several sources made claims based on satellite photos that probably all or almost all missiles hit their intended targets. The Americans don't much discuss their success or failure rates at all. I fail to see why we should believe the Russian claims any more than the claims by multiple (albeit usually at least somewhat pro-American) sources. But saying that it was "more or less admitted by now" implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).
    , @Paranam Kid
    What are your sources for your statement? And what are those 40 targets that got hit, are they strategically significant or are they just some goat pens & chicken coops?
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  9. iffen says:

    Assumption #1: Russia can stop the Israeli attacks on Syria

    How?

    Well, they could just turn Syria loose to use the latest version of the world class SAM system.

    But, then again maybe they need to keep it on hand to shoot down all the planes, missiles and drones launched against their own bases in Syria.

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  10. polskijoe says:

    There is a Jewish Zionist mafia in Russia.

    Solyntsevskaya mafia
    Sergei Mikhailov, Averin brothers, Semion Mogilevich, allies include: Pyotr Aven, Mikhail Fridman.

    Boris Berezovsky, Badri patarkatschivili connected to Mossad.

    Also Vitaly Malkin, Alex Knasner, Gusinsky, and many others. (my source is isgp a good website).

    Sure Putin got rid of some Zionist Jewish billionares (thats great!).
    But they are still around.

    If Putin turns all Jews and all Anglos against him, it wouldnt be a good ending.

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    That is the reality.businessmen with real power.there are over a million russians in israel and a few more here and there.even trump was selling them aparments in his trump tower.free vodka.you name it.you would if you could "saker" but better safe than sorry hey.
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  11. KA says:

    Even a modicum of support from Russia or China or both will determine life or death for a nation. NK has shown . Cuba has. Now is Syria.
    Russia can defend itself if US comes to its door . Russia doesn’t have to defend Syria to prevent a future assault on itself by West . But the help Russia has offered ,has saved Syria. It also has unravelled the military alliance US has built . This is good for the world.

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  12. Miro23 says:

    However, that refusal to let Israel dictate Russian policies in the Middle-East (or elsewhere) does not at all mean that Russia can simply ignore the very real power of the Israelis, not only because of their nukes, but also because of their de-facto control of the US government.

    It would be a different story if the Russians were dealing with the American people rather than their fake “representatives” in Congress, their fake “President” Trump and the criminals in the US Deep State.

    As it is, they have to handle an aggressive and unstable power (Israel) trying to foment US – Russia conflict, so Putin is right to be wary.

    The Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah are all “grown adults” (in political terms), and Assad is learning very fast, and they all understand that they are dealing with a “monkey with a hand grenade” (this fully applies to both Israeli and US leaders) which combines a nasty personality, a volatile temper, a primitive brain and a hand grenade big enough to kill everybody in the room. Their task is to incapacitate that monkey without having it pull the pin.

    At some level the monkey knows that it would kill itself by throwing the grenade, so it may lose interest or go to sleep. However, if it turns really crazy and moves to pull the pin, it needs to get a well directed head shot. That’s what he police would do.

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  13. @peterAUS
    Saker could've written just this:

    Russia does have moral obligation to protect its allies. That is the very essence of being an ally in the first place isn't it?

    It can not do so, in this case, for two reasons:
    The actual capability in the region doesn't allow for it. It was not planned, deployed and organized as such.
    The outcome of that protection would harm Russia's interests, both locally and globally.

    Russia, actually, has delivered that moral obligation in spades. It protected Assad's regime.
    All the rest is nitpicking, mostly from "Israel haters".

    Now..should Israel got involved full scale to topple Assad that would be different story.
    But, that's the part where those couple of chats Putin had with Netanyahu comes in, I guess. The diplomatic part.

    Your comment makes good sense except for the last part where you label anyone critical of Israel as an Israel hater.

    FYI – Israel HAS been involved FULL SCALE to topple Assad for several years now with air attacks on Syria’s armed forces, ammunition stores and vital infrastructure. The involvement has even included taking wounded terrorists of the head-chopping variety back into Israel so that they could receive first class medical treatment to enable them to resume violent actions against Assad and the Syrian people. BTW, Assad IS the legitimate leader of Syria.

    Imagine thugs coming into your home, raping your wife and daughter, killing your sons and your dog, looting the place before setting fire to it and then finding out that your troublesome neighbour not only put them up to it but even gave them shelter when you unexpectedly showed up. I suppose you’d be saying that if they ever do anything really bad to you then you’ll take some action.

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  14. @reiner Tor

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.
     
    It's not even admitted that so many missiles didn't reach their targets. Several sources counted well over 40 targets hit (some counted on satellite photos), with several targets hit by multiple missiles. So what are the sources for this above statement?

    It would be nice if someone (anyone) helped me out here. What could be the source for this statement:

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Apparently it was only the Russians who said the majority of missiles didn’t even reach their targets. Their claims are disputed, to put it mildly. Several sources made claims based on satellite photos that probably all or almost all missiles hit their intended targets. The Americans don’t much discuss their success or failure rates at all. I fail to see why we should believe the Russian claims any more than the claims by multiple (albeit usually at least somewhat pro-American) sources. But saying that it was “more or less admitted by now” implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).

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    Excellent question RT.

    I thought that there was a statement by the US that a report on the missile attack would be issued by the Pentagon at some point in the future. Maybe I just imagined that.
    , @Randal

    But saying that it was “more or less admitted by now” implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).
     
    I'm not aware of any credibly dispositive public sources on this, and Saker's wording ("more or less") suggests to me he isn't either.

    For me, it falls into that broad category of things for which people without direct sources have little alternative but to believe the version that suits their own preferences, but for which judgement should really be reserved.
    , @Randal
    The one thing certainly worth bearing in mind about the attack on Syria by the US military, under Trump's direct orders, though, is that it was an indisputably criminal act of murder. This was not a matter of military men taking their chances in battle. The US was at peace with Syria when the attack was launched.

    The direct moral equivalent would be, say, Chinese special forces sneaking onto a US base on the US mainland and executing a few US enlisted men and an officer, on the pretext that the American government had supposedly been responsible for some allegedly criminal act elsewhere.

    It's just another permanent stain on the US government and military, on the US foreign policy elite who almost universally failed to condemn the act and indeed mostly applauded it, and upon Trump personally.
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  15. Renoman says:

    Russia knows it’s place, they’re not stupid.

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  16. @reiner Tor

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.
     
    It's not even admitted that so many missiles didn't reach their targets. Several sources counted well over 40 targets hit (some counted on satellite photos), with several targets hit by multiple missiles. So what are the sources for this above statement?

    What are your sources for your statement? And what are those 40 targets that got hit, are they strategically significant or are they just some goat pens & chicken coops?

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    I simply took my cues from Wikipedia. It's only the Russians who claim that only 23 missiles hit their targets.

    U.S. Central Command stated in a press release that Tomahawk missiles hit "aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, defense systems, and radars".[29] Initial U.S. reports claimed "approximately 20 planes" were destroyed, and that 58 out of the 59 cruise missiles launched "severely degraded or destroyed" their intended target.[30][31] According to the satellite images the runways[32] and the taxiways have been reportedly undamaged and combat flights from the attacked airbase resumed on 7 April a few hours after the attack, although U.S. officials did not state that the runway was a target.[33][34][35] In a later statement on 10 April 2017, the US Secretary of Defense James Mattis claimed that the strike destroyed about 20% of the Syrian government's operational aircraft and the base had lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft.[36]

    An independent bomb damage assessment conducted by ImageSat International counted hits on 44 targets, with some targets being hit by more than one missile; these figures were determined using satellite images of the airbase 10 hours after the strike.[37]

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strike damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot, and an air defense base.[38][39]

    Al-Masdar News reported that 15 fighter jets were damaged or destroyed and that the destruction of fuel tankers caused several explosions and a large fire.[40]
     
    This is why I'm waiting for a source for the Saker's statement that the Americans have already basically admitted the failure of the strike, moreover, that it was caused by Russian EW measures. (Actually, using EW measures to cause the missiles to fail is basically not all that much different from using AA missiles to get the same results. I always get these references to mythical Russian EW measures, for example supposedly at the Black Sea against some US warship. I highly doubt that Black Sea warship incident ever happened. Using EW measures against a US warship is or would be an act of war. The same as hitting it with missiles. People often don't seem to understand it.)
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  17. @peterAUS
    Saker could've written just this:

    Russia does have moral obligation to protect its allies. That is the very essence of being an ally in the first place isn't it?

    It can not do so, in this case, for two reasons:
    The actual capability in the region doesn't allow for it. It was not planned, deployed and organized as such.
    The outcome of that protection would harm Russia's interests, both locally and globally.

    Russia, actually, has delivered that moral obligation in spades. It protected Assad's regime.
    All the rest is nitpicking, mostly from "Israel haters".

    Now..should Israel got involved full scale to topple Assad that would be different story.
    But, that's the part where those couple of chats Putin had with Netanyahu comes in, I guess. The diplomatic part.

    What is wrong with “Israel haters”? There are Russia haters, North Korea haters, Cuba haters, Venezuela haters, Iran haters, China haters, Germany haters, etc., but somehow nobody has any problems with that, nobody ever uses those terms. The only “hater” term employed is in the context of Israel – now why is that? Because the country is exceptional, Jews/Zionists are allowed to do whatever pleases them because their forebears suffered in the Holocaust? What is your gripe?

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    Good questions, but you’re asking an idiot, so don’t expect a good answer from him.
    , @Wally
    said:
    " because their forebears suffered in the Holocaust?"

    There was no '6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers'. Utterly impossible.

    However, Jews have been marketing that '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869.

    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    www.codoh.com
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  18. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor
    It would be nice if someone (anyone) helped me out here. What could be the source for this statement:

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.
     
    Apparently it was only the Russians who said the majority of missiles didn't even reach their targets. Their claims are disputed, to put it mildly. Several sources made claims based on satellite photos that probably all or almost all missiles hit their intended targets. The Americans don't much discuss their success or failure rates at all. I fail to see why we should believe the Russian claims any more than the claims by multiple (albeit usually at least somewhat pro-American) sources. But saying that it was "more or less admitted by now" implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).

    Excellent question RT.

    I thought that there was a statement by the US that a report on the missile attack would be issued by the Pentagon at some point in the future. Maybe I just imagined that.

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  19. @Paranam Kid
    What are your sources for your statement? And what are those 40 targets that got hit, are they strategically significant or are they just some goat pens & chicken coops?

    I simply took my cues from Wikipedia. It’s only the Russians who claim that only 23 missiles hit their targets.

    U.S. Central Command stated in a press release that Tomahawk missiles hit “aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, defense systems, and radars”.[29] Initial U.S. reports claimed “approximately 20 planes” were destroyed, and that 58 out of the 59 cruise missiles launched “severely degraded or destroyed” their intended target.[30][31] According to the satellite images the runways[32] and the taxiways have been reportedly undamaged and combat flights from the attacked airbase resumed on 7 April a few hours after the attack, although U.S. officials did not state that the runway was a target.[33][34][35] In a later statement on 10 April 2017, the US Secretary of Defense James Mattis claimed that the strike destroyed about 20% of the Syrian government’s operational aircraft and the base had lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft.[36]

    An independent bomb damage assessment conducted by ImageSat International counted hits on 44 targets, with some targets being hit by more than one missile; these figures were determined using satellite images of the airbase 10 hours after the strike.[37]

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strike damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot, and an air defense base.[38][39]

    Al-Masdar News reported that 15 fighter jets were damaged or destroyed and that the destruction of fuel tankers caused several explosions and a large fire.[40]

    This is why I’m waiting for a source for the Saker’s statement that the Americans have already basically admitted the failure of the strike, moreover, that it was caused by Russian EW measures. (Actually, using EW measures to cause the missiles to fail is basically not all that much different from using AA missiles to get the same results. I always get these references to mythical Russian EW measures, for example supposedly at the Black Sea against some US warship. I highly doubt that Black Sea warship incident ever happened. Using EW measures against a US warship is or would be an act of war. The same as hitting it with missiles. People often don’t seem to understand it.)

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    OK, fair enough, let's see if The Saker replies to you.
    It does seem to me that if the US missiles would have been more successful that the US would have made much more of a fanfare about it; in the event, the issue extinguished like a damp squib.
    , @Sparkon
    Based on my review of the ISI satellite imagery, analysis, and other information at their website, I can only conclude that most, and possibly virtually all of the Tomahawks hit their targets at the Shayrat air base.

    In the immediate aftermath of the event, ISI analyzed satellite imagery of the April 7, 2017 U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile attack on Shayrat air base in Syria:


    According to ISI experts, the total of 44 targets hit. Several targets may have hit twice. [sic]
    {...]
    Although 58 missiles hit the base, it seems that the overall damage to the base is limited because the warhead of the Tomahawk is not considered large and weighs about 450 kg.
     
    https://www.imagesatintl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hangars-1.png

    Yes, it is conceivable that their images have been retouched to make the attack look more successful than it was, so as with all photo and video imagery these days, we have to keep that possibility in mind, however remote.

    Some have argued that the attack was not successful because the runways were not knocked out, which has merit, but I think there are more powerful, specialized munitions for the specific purposes of cratering runways, while the Tomahawk is more ideally suited to go after softer, higher value targets at the air base. According to ISI analysts and U.S. CentCom statements, many support and ancillary facilities at Shayrat were hit, and other sources claim a number of aircraft were damaged or destroyed.

    Even though the runways remained open, the operational readiness of the air base must have been degraded by the attack for some time.

    https://www.imagesatintl.com/us-strike-syria/

    But bear in mind that the Russians got advance notice, so this Shayrat adventure must be considered a limited, rather than all-out attack on the air base, but Pres. Trump nevertheless squandered a lot of political capital in ordering it.

    Pres. Trump's justification for launching the attack was to retaliate for the alleged Syrian chemical weapons attack supposedly launched from Shayrat. In October 2017, the UN and OPCW's JIM issued its report, blaming Assad:


    The JIM report said that experts are “confident” that the Syrian government was behind the April 4 sarin attack in the Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun in April that killed more than 90 people, drawing international outrage and prompting a quick U.S. missile strike on the Shayrat air base that Washington said had been used to launch the attack.

    Ulyanov argued that the report was unsubstantiated and ignored evidence suggesting that sarin could have been used by the rebels in order to blame Bashar Assad’s government.

    He particularly criticized the JIM for failing to take samples from the site of the attack in Khan Sheikhoun and the Shayrat air base despite security guarantees offered to inspectors.

    “Imagine a criminal investigation in which police refuse to visit the site of the crime. No court will ever accept it,” Ulyanov said. “But they consider it possible to do such thing at the U.N. Security Council.”
    [...]
    Ulyanov criticized the U.S. and Britain for rushing to conclusion that Assad’s government was to blame for Khan Sheikhoun, adding that it made no sense for Assad’s government to launch such an attack.

    Ulyanov argued that the JIM’s conclusion that a Syrian warplane dropped a bomb containing sarin isn’t supported by images of the explosion site that show a crater he said could only have been left by an explosive device planted on the surface.

    He also insisted that Syrian planes’ routes recorded by air traffic control means of the U.S.-led coalition prove that none of them approached Khan Sheikhoun closely enough to drop a bomb.

     

    https://www.courthousenews.com/russia-wants-new-rules-syria-chemical-weapons-inspectors/
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  20. Randal says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    As for “moral obligations”, this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda
     
    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums. Currently Russia has two S-400 and 1 S-300 systems in Syria (not counting other assets) but majority of people still continue to think that they are there to defend Syria--it is down right false. They are there to defend Russian assets. It is their primary role.

    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums.

    True, and perhaps that would justify writing a piece specifically addressing that tendency, in general or in the particular case. It’s applicable to many if not all questions of war and peace, and indeed it’s hard, even for analysts genuinely trying to be as objective as possible, to avoid it entirely.

    I just think there was a glaring omission here in jumping to “moral obligation” without addressing interests, as I noted in my comment. The question to which the piece addresses itself, of how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.

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    ....how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one
     
    Well....I think that there exists an unrealistic expectation of what Russia actually can do.

    I guess that you start from the premise that The Empire is bad. Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia.
    Well, the reality is that The Empire is global superpower and Russia is a regional power. Like in boxing, The Empire is heavyweaght and Russia is middleweight. Takes exceptional middleweight to go against average heavyweight. Size matters etc.
    Russia's overall strategy, at the moment, is offering resistance without major confrontation hoping that The Empire will overstretch and exaust itself. Kutuzov etc.

    I mean, Russia couldn't openly get involved in Ukraine.

    On top of it the Russian contingent there is small. It was deployed there to prevent collapse of Assad's regime. Event that wasn't enough, requiring Hezbollah and Iran. So, middleweight there is actually a very good paperweight.

    And, well, it's not only USA there. Israel, obviously, and then Turkey. Say, welterweight and little paperweight but there are now, what, 3 to one?

    Regardless of what people want the reality on the ground is that Russia must not get involved in serious conflict with Israel there. At least it would prevent the contingent there to do its primary mission.

    And, well, what Israelis are really doing? Just bombing a bit here and there something they believe it's danger for them. Nothing serious.
    And..............there is a bit more.
    Maybe Arabs wouldn't mind getting Israel and Russia in direct conflict? Or some circles there. Even Iranians. Would you really..really....trust them if you were Kremlin? I don't think so.

    That thing in/around Syria is complicated enough already for Kremlin. Complicating it further simply isn't in Russia's interest.

    Bottom line is, whatever popular sentiment here is about Russia power, it is far from reality.

    And, at the end of the day, countries act on interests and based on power relationships first and foremost, morality is not even in that calculus.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.
     
    As Syria's practice showed, Russia did what real allies do--she immensely helped to effectively win the war and thus preserve Syrian statehood. Now, things have to be taken in perspective--Israeli's strikes are mostly pin pricks and do not constitute actions which dramatically change operational and strategic state of the affairs there. ME in general is a snake pit and not is everything so rosy in Russian-Syrian relations. As Murakhovsky, correctly, noted in 2016--there are many sour grapes among many top brass people in SAA, and this is just one example among many. It is complex, but the main objective has been achieved, the rest--well, long process with a long backstage tactical posturing on all sides. It will take some time before we will get more-or-less accurate picture of what is today not-seen by the naked eye.
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  21. Randal says:
    @reiner Tor
    It would be nice if someone (anyone) helped me out here. What could be the source for this statement:

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.
     
    Apparently it was only the Russians who said the majority of missiles didn't even reach their targets. Their claims are disputed, to put it mildly. Several sources made claims based on satellite photos that probably all or almost all missiles hit their intended targets. The Americans don't much discuss their success or failure rates at all. I fail to see why we should believe the Russian claims any more than the claims by multiple (albeit usually at least somewhat pro-American) sources. But saying that it was "more or less admitted by now" implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).

    But saying that it was “more or less admitted by now” implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).

    I’m not aware of any credibly dispositive public sources on this, and Saker’s wording (“more or less”) suggests to me he isn’t either.

    For me, it falls into that broad category of things for which people without direct sources have little alternative but to believe the version that suits their own preferences, but for which judgement should really be reserved.

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  22. Randal says:
    @reiner Tor
    It would be nice if someone (anyone) helped me out here. What could be the source for this statement:

    consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.
     
    Apparently it was only the Russians who said the majority of missiles didn't even reach their targets. Their claims are disputed, to put it mildly. Several sources made claims based on satellite photos that probably all or almost all missiles hit their intended targets. The Americans don't much discuss their success or failure rates at all. I fail to see why we should believe the Russian claims any more than the claims by multiple (albeit usually at least somewhat pro-American) sources. But saying that it was "more or less admitted by now" implies that basically the Americans (or pro-American sources) also now say that only a minority of the missiles hit their intended targets, and it also implies that the Americans or pro-American sources now think that it was the result of Russian EW countermeasures (of which I can find no other sources but a few pro-Russian websites and authors like the Saker).

    The one thing certainly worth bearing in mind about the attack on Syria by the US military, under Trump’s direct orders, though, is that it was an indisputably criminal act of murder. This was not a matter of military men taking their chances in battle. The US was at peace with Syria when the attack was launched.

    The direct moral equivalent would be, say, Chinese special forces sneaking onto a US base on the US mainland and executing a few US enlisted men and an officer, on the pretext that the American government had supposedly been responsible for some allegedly criminal act elsewhere.

    It’s just another permanent stain on the US government and military, on the US foreign policy elite who almost universally failed to condemn the act and indeed mostly applauded it, and upon Trump personally.

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  23. peterAUS says:
    @Randal

    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums.
     
    True, and perhaps that would justify writing a piece specifically addressing that tendency, in general or in the particular case. It's applicable to many if not all questions of war and peace, and indeed it's hard, even for analysts genuinely trying to be as objective as possible, to avoid it entirely.

    I just think there was a glaring omission here in jumping to "moral obligation" without addressing interests, as I noted in my comment. The question to which the piece addresses itself, of how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.

    ….how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one

    Well….I think that there exists an unrealistic expectation of what Russia actually can do.

    I guess that you start from the premise that The Empire is bad. Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia.
    Well, the reality is that The Empire is global superpower and Russia is a regional power. Like in boxing, The Empire is heavyweaght and Russia is middleweight. Takes exceptional middleweight to go against average heavyweight. Size matters etc.
    Russia’s overall strategy, at the moment, is offering resistance without major confrontation hoping that The Empire will overstretch and exaust itself. Kutuzov etc.

    I mean, Russia couldn’t openly get involved in Ukraine.

    On top of it the Russian contingent there is small. It was deployed there to prevent collapse of Assad’s regime. Event that wasn’t enough, requiring Hezbollah and Iran. So, middleweight there is actually a very good paperweight.

    And, well, it’s not only USA there. Israel, obviously, and then Turkey. Say, welterweight and little paperweight but there are now, what, 3 to one?

    Regardless of what people want the reality on the ground is that Russia must not get involved in serious conflict with Israel there. At least it would prevent the contingent there to do its primary mission.

    And, well, what Israelis are really doing? Just bombing a bit here and there something they believe it’s danger for them. Nothing serious.
    And…………..there is a bit more.
    Maybe Arabs wouldn’t mind getting Israel and Russia in direct conflict? Or some circles there. Even Iranians. Would you really..really….trust them if you were Kremlin? I don’t think so.

    That thing in/around Syria is complicated enough already for Kremlin. Complicating it further simply isn’t in Russia’s interest.

    Bottom line is, whatever popular sentiment here is about Russia power, it is far from reality.

    And, at the end of the day, countries act on interests and based on power relationships first and foremost, morality is not even in that calculus.

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    That's not bad.

    That is not a bad response.

    But let's be honest too, this situation is still a "tinder keg"....If Israel goes in hard...with sustained bombing.....At some point Russia "must" respond....and if Russia responds....how long before US power
    counters ...and goes all in...

    How long ?


    We have a recipe for a catastrophic conflagration and a major World War , right here, right now, in Syria.....

    Nobody is "letting up"...and nobody will let up for quite some time to come.


    US Power is based on solvency...of which we have very little left...if we plan to spend six to ten trillion dollars destroying Syria and Iran, the world will eject our bonds from their balance sheets.....Congress , no longer able to underwrite our war debt by selling our bonds abroad, will be forced to impose heinous tax increases on its citizens to balance the books......In return ,the taxpayers will DEMAND accountability from the 1% elite for lying us into war ....the internal tension in this, the most powerful nation on earth, will becomes IMMENSE....


    Not good , man, not good AT ALL !

    , @NoseytheDuke
    "Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia."

    China doesn't even get a mention? Considering that The Empire has demonstrably failed to seize control of several much smaller nations despite throwing thousands of lives, trillions of dollars and uncountable resources that should have gone towards rebuilding the US, are you sure it's the real one and only heavyweight around the globe? It can certainly inflict great damage but to what end and what is gained?
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  24. Good info Saker, I accept it in spite of some of your critics here. Let us discuss the more critical points instead of nitpicking. Some people seem to just need to be right about something. IMnsHO and E.

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  25. Blake says:

    Shooting down an aircraft would scare ‘israel’ from further bombing raids though as there is no way ‘israel’ would declare war on Russia no matter how unhinged and unstable they are.

    Ultimately though until ‘israel’ the western imperialist implant in the middle east vanishes there is no hope of peace in the middle east

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  26. Russia is ruled by a sane and responsible man who cannot make it a habit of simply waltzing into a conflict….

    That’s funny Saker. Absolutely hilarious. Putin is anything but responsible, and he only takes on the weak.

    Putin is the President of Russia and he is first and foremost accountable to the Russian people to whom he has to explain every Russian casualty and even every risk he takes.

    This is hardly the case, and I’d go so far as saying you’re a liar Saker. Ever hear of cargo 200? Putin explains nothing to the peasants he lords it over.

    You’re a very silly and ignorant man, Saker. Given you love Putin so much, why don’t you live in the country he rules? Oh yes, I forgot. It isn’t safe for you. It isn’t safe for any other Russian either.

    Russia is absolutely not a “resurgent USSR” and Putin has no desire whatsoever to rebuilt the Soviet Union

    I don’t know of anyone claiming that Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. At least, not per se. He has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia, however. His neighbors are concerned, and for good reason. But, we all know Putin is “responsible.”

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  27. @Randal

    But this is precisely the point which dominates such discussions across a huge variety of forums.
     
    True, and perhaps that would justify writing a piece specifically addressing that tendency, in general or in the particular case. It's applicable to many if not all questions of war and peace, and indeed it's hard, even for analysts genuinely trying to be as objective as possible, to avoid it entirely.

    I just think there was a glaring omission here in jumping to "moral obligation" without addressing interests, as I noted in my comment. The question to which the piece addresses itself, of how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.

    and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.

    As Syria’s practice showed, Russia did what real allies do–she immensely helped to effectively win the war and thus preserve Syrian statehood. Now, things have to be taken in perspective–Israeli’s strikes are mostly pin pricks and do not constitute actions which dramatically change operational and strategic state of the affairs there. ME in general is a snake pit and not is everything so rosy in Russian-Syrian relations. As Murakhovsky, correctly, noted in 2016–there are many sour grapes among many top brass people in SAA, and this is just one example among many. It is complex, but the main objective has been achieved, the rest–well, long process with a long backstage tactical posturing on all sides. It will take some time before we will get more-or-less accurate picture of what is today not-seen by the naked eye.

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  28. utu says:

    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That’s why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia’s intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia’s intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia’s reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

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    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.
     
    LOL!
    , @reiner Tor

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.
     
    What is the basis for that assumption?
    , @Cloak And Dagger

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.
     
    That is an extraordinary assertion that begs justification.
    , @Kiza
    utu, it is silly that other commenters are asking you for the source for the clearly speculative conspiracy theory of yours. At first glance the key claim of your theory that Putin got permission from Nutty Yahoo to enter Syria belongs to the same domain as "Snowden is a CIA agent", "Assange is a Mossad agent", and "Putin is just another member of the Globalist elite" most successfully pretending to be the man of the people (just another Jewish puppet faux populist). Yet, I do not want to dismiss your interesting theory outright and instead want to try to outline my thinking process about it, which is the same way I evaluate all lateral and outrageous claims that Internet generates.

    Firstly, on the minus side, the relations between Russia and Israel are complex. Nutty Yahoo depends on Putin almost as much as Putin cannot afford to offend back. Israel is full of real and pretend/wannabe Jews from SU, as we all know, most of who vote conservative - for Nutty. This makes it highly unlikely that Nutty would have liked the Russian intervention in Syria. Besides, throughout Russian intervention in Syria it was Nutty going to Moscow rather that Putin going to Israel, and who comes before who does matter as it always has.

    Secondly, on the plus side, the Israelis do have the propensity to try to make things better for themselves by making them worse. There are many examples of this and I will not outline them here. But I do feel that no matter what prejudices the Israelis may have had about Russian military, they would not have taken the risk of the Russian success lightly. Also, do not forget that the Israelis know very well what the state of the Russian military is, probably much better than the US intelligence. Finally, the last time the Russians faced Israelis was in Georgia and the Israelis would not have forgotten the hiding their Georgian trainees got. Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.

    Thirdly, I fully support the rest of your theory that Israelis almost desperately tried to drag Obama into Syria, with skillful arrangements which you describe. Those media and PR arrangements have typical Israeli and Western AshkeNazi fingerprints all over them. Almost certainly they would have succeeded and with much less effort if it were Obama's first term. But, despite all his terrible failings, Obama will enter history as the only US president who successfully resisted the Jewish war pressure in his last term. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the MAIN REASON for the quite unexpected Russian engagement and then success in Syria. Without Obama's resistance to being dragged-in, the Russians would not have stood a chance. But it is also quite likely that the Russians did have this in their calculations - something like "under second Obama we may get away with this". This is why it is the President Swamp's job now to roll this Russian success back, covered by a running joke about de-escalation with Russia (I am ROFL). At Israel's request, President Swamp left US troops in Syria until an opportune moment to, perhaps, get Syria attacked simultaneously by Israel, Turkey, US and Saudis, the action that those crooked scumbag countries never had the guts to do before: too costly they thought before they lost the Syrian war they started, which costs them much, much more.

    In summary for Russia, Trump term one will be worse than Obama term two! The Syrian story ain't finished yet, far from it.

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Bullshit. The US stood down in 2013 not because of what Obama thought about Netanyahu, but because Russia represented real resistance that the US respected (if not feared, assuming there are some American planners who understand America only preys on small, weak nations). The current Russo-phobia hysteria in the US reflects International Jewry’s fury over Russian resistance.
    , @jacques sheete

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.
     
    I suspect that's true.

    I also suspect that if he doesn't play along with the world's bosses, (the mouthy punk, Neatanyahoo is just another expendable puppet), he'd be sidelined in one way or another.
    , @renfro

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu
     
    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????...wtf

    I can only guess this statement is what happens when one reads mainly Israeli claims instead of looking at what actually happens re Russia and Israel.

    Netanyahu went to Putin when Russia stepped into Syria not visa versa. Netanyahu whined that he didn't want Iran forces in Syria--Putin said whatever but stay away from Russia's activities against ISIS and Syrian rebels.....and that was that.

    As for who runs who ....go check on the UN resolutions concerning the Ukraine that Putin told Israel to vote against ....and Israel obeyed.
    Contrast that with Russia voting against Israel in the UN resolution to cite Hezbollah as a terrorist group.
    And Russia voting against Israel in the UN resolution to condemn Israel settlements last year.

    Israel is trying to snuggle into a little menage a trois.....with Israel being pleasured by the US and pleasuring Russia.

    So far what has happened in Syria re Russia?
    Well, Russia has positioned itself as a leader of internal reconciliation efforts in Syria (and its future) so Israel is going to want to stay on Russia's good side.

    So back to why Israel is still blowing up thing in Syria:

    "Israeli intelligence Chief, Major General Herzi Halevy, said that the last three months have been the most difficult for ISIS since its inception.
    In a speech delivered at “Herzliya” conference yesterday , Halevy explicitly said “Israel” does not want the situation in Syria to end with the defeat of ISIS “, the Israeli NRG site reported.
    “Withdrawal of the super powers from the region and leaving Israel alone in front of Hezbollah and Iran that possess good abilities Will make “Israel” in a hard position” . Therefore, we’ve to do all we can so as not finding ourselves in such situation”, the Israeli chief intelligence added."

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/

    They gotta keep something going ....throwing more shit against the wall, bombing out houses and whatever....since they and the Saudis have lost every fucking thing else they have tried....Syria, Yemen ...with Iran and Hezbollah still standing.
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  29. alexander says:
    @peterAUS

    ....how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one
     
    Well....I think that there exists an unrealistic expectation of what Russia actually can do.

    I guess that you start from the premise that The Empire is bad. Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia.
    Well, the reality is that The Empire is global superpower and Russia is a regional power. Like in boxing, The Empire is heavyweaght and Russia is middleweight. Takes exceptional middleweight to go against average heavyweight. Size matters etc.
    Russia's overall strategy, at the moment, is offering resistance without major confrontation hoping that The Empire will overstretch and exaust itself. Kutuzov etc.

    I mean, Russia couldn't openly get involved in Ukraine.

    On top of it the Russian contingent there is small. It was deployed there to prevent collapse of Assad's regime. Event that wasn't enough, requiring Hezbollah and Iran. So, middleweight there is actually a very good paperweight.

    And, well, it's not only USA there. Israel, obviously, and then Turkey. Say, welterweight and little paperweight but there are now, what, 3 to one?

    Regardless of what people want the reality on the ground is that Russia must not get involved in serious conflict with Israel there. At least it would prevent the contingent there to do its primary mission.

    And, well, what Israelis are really doing? Just bombing a bit here and there something they believe it's danger for them. Nothing serious.
    And..............there is a bit more.
    Maybe Arabs wouldn't mind getting Israel and Russia in direct conflict? Or some circles there. Even Iranians. Would you really..really....trust them if you were Kremlin? I don't think so.

    That thing in/around Syria is complicated enough already for Kremlin. Complicating it further simply isn't in Russia's interest.

    Bottom line is, whatever popular sentiment here is about Russia power, it is far from reality.

    And, at the end of the day, countries act on interests and based on power relationships first and foremost, morality is not even in that calculus.

    That’s not bad.

    That is not a bad response.

    But let’s be honest too, this situation is still a “tinder keg”….If Israel goes in hard…with sustained bombing…..At some point Russia “must” respond….and if Russia responds….how long before US power
    counters …and goes all in…

    How long ?

    We have a recipe for a catastrophic conflagration and a major World War , right here, right now, in Syria…..

    Nobody is “letting up”…and nobody will let up for quite some time to come.

    US Power is based on solvency…of which we have very little left…if we plan to spend six to ten trillion dollars destroying Syria and Iran, the world will eject our bonds from their balance sheets…..Congress , no longer able to underwrite our war debt by selling our bonds abroad, will be forced to impose heinous tax increases on its citizens to balance the books……In return ,the taxpayers will DEMAND accountability from the 1% elite for lying us into war ….the internal tension in this, the most powerful nation on earth, will becomes IMMENSE….

    Not good , man, not good AT ALL !

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    If Israel goes in hard
     
    It will not.
    No reason for that, whatsoever.

    "Syria" problem, for Israel, has been solved.
    That's for up to and including


    ...nobody will let up for quite some time to come
     
    As for the rest, it opens totally different topics starting with $ being the world currency and such, then USA itself etc.
    Topics that interest me there are "the future of work" in general and "Trump presidency" in particular. The rest is becoming slightly ...tedious....

    And, I'll stick, here, for this Israel/Russia thing, if necessary.
    Just think it's already been addressed, in full, so far.

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  30. peterAUS says:
    @alexander
    That's not bad.

    That is not a bad response.

    But let's be honest too, this situation is still a "tinder keg"....If Israel goes in hard...with sustained bombing.....At some point Russia "must" respond....and if Russia responds....how long before US power
    counters ...and goes all in...

    How long ?


    We have a recipe for a catastrophic conflagration and a major World War , right here, right now, in Syria.....

    Nobody is "letting up"...and nobody will let up for quite some time to come.


    US Power is based on solvency...of which we have very little left...if we plan to spend six to ten trillion dollars destroying Syria and Iran, the world will eject our bonds from their balance sheets.....Congress , no longer able to underwrite our war debt by selling our bonds abroad, will be forced to impose heinous tax increases on its citizens to balance the books......In return ,the taxpayers will DEMAND accountability from the 1% elite for lying us into war ....the internal tension in this, the most powerful nation on earth, will becomes IMMENSE....


    Not good , man, not good AT ALL !

    If Israel goes in hard

    It will not.
    No reason for that, whatsoever.

    “Syria” problem, for Israel, has been solved.
    That’s for up to and including

    …nobody will let up for quite some time to come

    As for the rest, it opens totally different topics starting with $ being the world currency and such, then USA itself etc.
    Topics that interest me there are “the future of work” in general and “Trump presidency” in particular. The rest is becoming slightly …tedious….

    And, I’ll stick, here, for this Israel/Russia thing, if necessary.
    Just think it’s already been addressed, in full, so far.

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  31. @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.

    LOL!

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    The Saker is dumping garbage on his readers. He knows some of his readers will take it home, they have space for junk.

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  33. @peterAUS

    ....how far the Russians ought to go, and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one
     
    Well....I think that there exists an unrealistic expectation of what Russia actually can do.

    I guess that you start from the premise that The Empire is bad. Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia.
    Well, the reality is that The Empire is global superpower and Russia is a regional power. Like in boxing, The Empire is heavyweaght and Russia is middleweight. Takes exceptional middleweight to go against average heavyweight. Size matters etc.
    Russia's overall strategy, at the moment, is offering resistance without major confrontation hoping that The Empire will overstretch and exaust itself. Kutuzov etc.

    I mean, Russia couldn't openly get involved in Ukraine.

    On top of it the Russian contingent there is small. It was deployed there to prevent collapse of Assad's regime. Event that wasn't enough, requiring Hezbollah and Iran. So, middleweight there is actually a very good paperweight.

    And, well, it's not only USA there. Israel, obviously, and then Turkey. Say, welterweight and little paperweight but there are now, what, 3 to one?

    Regardless of what people want the reality on the ground is that Russia must not get involved in serious conflict with Israel there. At least it would prevent the contingent there to do its primary mission.

    And, well, what Israelis are really doing? Just bombing a bit here and there something they believe it's danger for them. Nothing serious.
    And..............there is a bit more.
    Maybe Arabs wouldn't mind getting Israel and Russia in direct conflict? Or some circles there. Even Iranians. Would you really..really....trust them if you were Kremlin? I don't think so.

    That thing in/around Syria is complicated enough already for Kremlin. Complicating it further simply isn't in Russia's interest.

    Bottom line is, whatever popular sentiment here is about Russia power, it is far from reality.

    And, at the end of the day, countries act on interests and based on power relationships first and foremost, morality is not even in that calculus.

    “Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia.”

    China doesn’t even get a mention? Considering that The Empire has demonstrably failed to seize control of several much smaller nations despite throwing thousands of lives, trillions of dollars and uncountable resources that should have gone towards rebuilding the US, are you sure it’s the real one and only heavyweight around the globe? It can certainly inflict great damage but to what end and what is gained?

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    China is far from Europe.
    USA goals, world domination, an end in itself.
    What is gained, in the end, more wealth for the rich.
    Heavyweight, like the British empire in the thirties, mere bluff, too expensive to maintain.
    Alas in the thirties GB was unable of rational behaviour, today the USA is the same.
    No Obama care, but 50 milliard more for 'defence'.
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  34. @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.

    What is the basis for that assumption?

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  35. @reiner Tor
    I simply took my cues from Wikipedia. It's only the Russians who claim that only 23 missiles hit their targets.

    U.S. Central Command stated in a press release that Tomahawk missiles hit "aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, defense systems, and radars".[29] Initial U.S. reports claimed "approximately 20 planes" were destroyed, and that 58 out of the 59 cruise missiles launched "severely degraded or destroyed" their intended target.[30][31] According to the satellite images the runways[32] and the taxiways have been reportedly undamaged and combat flights from the attacked airbase resumed on 7 April a few hours after the attack, although U.S. officials did not state that the runway was a target.[33][34][35] In a later statement on 10 April 2017, the US Secretary of Defense James Mattis claimed that the strike destroyed about 20% of the Syrian government's operational aircraft and the base had lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft.[36]

    An independent bomb damage assessment conducted by ImageSat International counted hits on 44 targets, with some targets being hit by more than one missile; these figures were determined using satellite images of the airbase 10 hours after the strike.[37]

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strike damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot, and an air defense base.[38][39]

    Al-Masdar News reported that 15 fighter jets were damaged or destroyed and that the destruction of fuel tankers caused several explosions and a large fire.[40]
     
    This is why I'm waiting for a source for the Saker's statement that the Americans have already basically admitted the failure of the strike, moreover, that it was caused by Russian EW measures. (Actually, using EW measures to cause the missiles to fail is basically not all that much different from using AA missiles to get the same results. I always get these references to mythical Russian EW measures, for example supposedly at the Black Sea against some US warship. I highly doubt that Black Sea warship incident ever happened. Using EW measures against a US warship is or would be an act of war. The same as hitting it with missiles. People often don't seem to understand it.)

    OK, fair enough, let’s see if The Saker replies to you.
    It does seem to me that if the US missiles would have been more successful that the US would have made much more of a fanfare about it; in the event, the issue extinguished like a damp squib.

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  36. Seraphim says:

    One may wonder why the plan to build the ‘Greater Israel’ was couched in prophetic terms. It is quite simple. It induces in people’s minds a sense of inevitability, a sense that whatever they do they can’t oppose ‘God’s will’.
    One should also notice that the ‘prophecy’ implies a catastrophic defeat of the invading hordes of Russians and Iranians (Gog and Magog) against Israel (Armageddon) in Syria, with mountains of corpses, as a preliminary condition of the establishment of ‘Greater Israel’. It must be, to conform with the ‘prophecy’, against Israel. The increase of provocations against Russia and Iran is meant to provoke a reaction which could be denounced as aggression against Israel and bring in the ‘allies’, Jewmerica and Jewropa (they are one the same page when it comes to Israel), who would extend their help against any Russian aggression (Ukraine, which is, despite the ‘Ukronazi’ smokescreen, a Ziomerican project).
    Saker’s arguments make sense. Russia won’t start a war with Israel. Secondly, she is under no obligations towards the Muslim world (as so many seem to imply) to ‘stop the Zionists’. As a matter of fact, a fact shoved under the carpet, Russia’s intervention in Syria was on behalf of the persecuted Christian populations by their supposed allies against ‘Zionism’.
    What we see is the shameful underhand alliance of Jewmerica and Jewropa with the Muslims against Christians! So far Israel did not behead Christians or blown up churches!

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    And do not forget that the creation of 'Kurdistan' as a 'second Israel' is an imperative of the plan of 'Greater Israel' (like Ukraine the 'third Israel').
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  37. Seraphim says:
    @Seraphim
    One may wonder why the plan to build the 'Greater Israel' was couched in prophetic terms. It is quite simple. It induces in people's minds a sense of inevitability, a sense that whatever they do they can't oppose 'God's will'.
    One should also notice that the 'prophecy' implies a catastrophic defeat of the invading hordes of Russians and Iranians (Gog and Magog) against Israel (Armageddon) in Syria, with mountains of corpses, as a preliminary condition of the establishment of 'Greater Israel'. It must be, to conform with the 'prophecy', against Israel. The increase of provocations against Russia and Iran is meant to provoke a reaction which could be denounced as aggression against Israel and bring in the 'allies', Jewmerica and Jewropa (they are one the same page when it comes to Israel), who would extend their help against any Russian aggression (Ukraine, which is, despite the 'Ukronazi' smokescreen, a Ziomerican project).
    Saker's arguments make sense. Russia won't start a war with Israel. Secondly, she is under no obligations towards the Muslim world (as so many seem to imply) to 'stop the Zionists'. As a matter of fact, a fact shoved under the carpet, Russia's intervention in Syria was on behalf of the persecuted Christian populations by their supposed allies against 'Zionism'.
    What we see is the shameful underhand alliance of Jewmerica and Jewropa with the Muslims against Christians! So far Israel did not behead Christians or blown up churches!

    And do not forget that the creation of ‘Kurdistan’ as a ‘second Israel’ is an imperative of the plan of ‘Greater Israel’ (like Ukraine the ‘third Israel’).

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  38. @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.

    That is an extraordinary assertion that begs justification.

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    @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    utu, it is silly that other commenters are asking you for the source for the clearly speculative conspiracy theory of yours. At first glance the key claim of your theory that Putin got permission from Nutty Yahoo to enter Syria belongs to the same domain as “Snowden is a CIA agent”, “Assange is a Mossad agent”, and “Putin is just another member of the Globalist elite” most successfully pretending to be the man of the people (just another Jewish puppet faux populist). Yet, I do not want to dismiss your interesting theory outright and instead want to try to outline my thinking process about it, which is the same way I evaluate all lateral and outrageous claims that Internet generates.

    Firstly, on the minus side, the relations between Russia and Israel are complex. Nutty Yahoo depends on Putin almost as much as Putin cannot afford to offend back. Israel is full of real and pretend/wannabe Jews from SU, as we all know, most of who vote conservative – for Nutty. This makes it highly unlikely that Nutty would have liked the Russian intervention in Syria. Besides, throughout Russian intervention in Syria it was Nutty going to Moscow rather that Putin going to Israel, and who comes before who does matter as it always has.

    Secondly, on the plus side, the Israelis do have the propensity to try to make things better for themselves by making them worse. There are many examples of this and I will not outline them here. But I do feel that no matter what prejudices the Israelis may have had about Russian military, they would not have taken the risk of the Russian success lightly. Also, do not forget that the Israelis know very well what the state of the Russian military is, probably much better than the US intelligence. Finally, the last time the Russians faced Israelis was in Georgia and the Israelis would not have forgotten the hiding their Georgian trainees got. Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.

    Thirdly, I fully support the rest of your theory that Israelis almost desperately tried to drag Obama into Syria, with skillful arrangements which you describe. Those media and PR arrangements have typical Israeli and Western AshkeNazi fingerprints all over them. Almost certainly they would have succeeded and with much less effort if it were Obama’s first term. But, despite all his terrible failings, Obama will enter history as the only US president who successfully resisted the Jewish war pressure in his last term. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the MAIN REASON for the quite unexpected Russian engagement and then success in Syria. Without Obama’s resistance to being dragged-in, the Russians would not have stood a chance. But it is also quite likely that the Russians did have this in their calculations – something like “under second Obama we may get away with this”. This is why it is the President Swamp’s job now to roll this Russian success back, covered by a running joke about de-escalation with Russia (I am ROFL). At Israel’s request, President Swamp left US troops in Syria until an opportune moment to, perhaps, get Syria attacked simultaneously by Israel, Turkey, US and Saudis, the action that those crooked scumbag countries never had the guts to do before: too costly they thought before they lost the Syrian war they started, which costs them much, much more.

    In summary for Russia, Trump term one will be worse than Obama term two! The Syrian story ain’t finished yet, far from it.

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    Do you (or anybody for that matter) that Russia owns a large piece of real estate in the heart of Jerusalem, the Sergei Courtyard, part of what was the 'Russian Compound' built by the Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society for the accommodation of the Russian pilgrims to the Holy Land between 1860-1890, purchased in 1964 by the state of Israel for $3.5 million worth of oranges and recently returned to its initial owners?
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.
     
    Have to disagree. In fact, that was the main Israeli assumption.

    between Russia and Israel are complex
     
    True, namely very complex, yet, somehow, in all these discussions a "small" insignificant fact of Russian Orthodox Church's lobbying for ME Christians was completely omitted, while in reality it was a major factor, apart from other military-political considerations, which influenced a decision on Syria. So, the dynamics is much more complex and, considering the modern history of Russian-Israeli relations, including Russia increasingly engaging Iran despite lass than enthusiastic response from Israel, it really shows that Israel for Russia, while important (including for cultural reasons), is not a defining factor in ME. Moreover, viewing Syria campaign in detachment from what is happening in Europe in general, and Ukraine in particular, is altogether not a good approach to a strategic analysis.
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  40. Kiza says:

    A little OT, but Internet commenters give too much credit to Putin because in reality it is Putin + his team of advisers. This team is absolutely brilliant. Putin is, more or less, their front-man. I have never seen a bunch of people so smart – they are driving the unfriendly (smart) Jews and all of the subjugated West totally nuts, berserk, stark-raving mad. Whenever, the enemies do something to provoke a Russian (emotional and irrational) reaction they get an opposite response, take for example just this intervention in Syria or the IOC ban. They never do what the enemy expects them to do.

    Whoever comes after Putin (is killed or retires), just needs to keep the same team going and Russia will remain strong by being smart.

    In the short term, Ukraine is being prepared for a blow-up during the Football/Soccer World Cup in Russia, as many Russian analysts recognize. Let us see how Putin and Russia manage to handle this forthcoming challenge (yes, no doubt, he will win the election again). They did get caught with their pants down during the Sochi Olympics, here is their chance for a replay in a two-front game: internal terror security during the World Cup and external threat from the heavily armed Nazi ruled Ukraine.

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  41. Seraphim says:
    @Kiza
    utu, it is silly that other commenters are asking you for the source for the clearly speculative conspiracy theory of yours. At first glance the key claim of your theory that Putin got permission from Nutty Yahoo to enter Syria belongs to the same domain as "Snowden is a CIA agent", "Assange is a Mossad agent", and "Putin is just another member of the Globalist elite" most successfully pretending to be the man of the people (just another Jewish puppet faux populist). Yet, I do not want to dismiss your interesting theory outright and instead want to try to outline my thinking process about it, which is the same way I evaluate all lateral and outrageous claims that Internet generates.

    Firstly, on the minus side, the relations between Russia and Israel are complex. Nutty Yahoo depends on Putin almost as much as Putin cannot afford to offend back. Israel is full of real and pretend/wannabe Jews from SU, as we all know, most of who vote conservative - for Nutty. This makes it highly unlikely that Nutty would have liked the Russian intervention in Syria. Besides, throughout Russian intervention in Syria it was Nutty going to Moscow rather that Putin going to Israel, and who comes before who does matter as it always has.

    Secondly, on the plus side, the Israelis do have the propensity to try to make things better for themselves by making them worse. There are many examples of this and I will not outline them here. But I do feel that no matter what prejudices the Israelis may have had about Russian military, they would not have taken the risk of the Russian success lightly. Also, do not forget that the Israelis know very well what the state of the Russian military is, probably much better than the US intelligence. Finally, the last time the Russians faced Israelis was in Georgia and the Israelis would not have forgotten the hiding their Georgian trainees got. Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.

    Thirdly, I fully support the rest of your theory that Israelis almost desperately tried to drag Obama into Syria, with skillful arrangements which you describe. Those media and PR arrangements have typical Israeli and Western AshkeNazi fingerprints all over them. Almost certainly they would have succeeded and with much less effort if it were Obama's first term. But, despite all his terrible failings, Obama will enter history as the only US president who successfully resisted the Jewish war pressure in his last term. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the MAIN REASON for the quite unexpected Russian engagement and then success in Syria. Without Obama's resistance to being dragged-in, the Russians would not have stood a chance. But it is also quite likely that the Russians did have this in their calculations - something like "under second Obama we may get away with this". This is why it is the President Swamp's job now to roll this Russian success back, covered by a running joke about de-escalation with Russia (I am ROFL). At Israel's request, President Swamp left US troops in Syria until an opportune moment to, perhaps, get Syria attacked simultaneously by Israel, Turkey, US and Saudis, the action that those crooked scumbag countries never had the guts to do before: too costly they thought before they lost the Syrian war they started, which costs them much, much more.

    In summary for Russia, Trump term one will be worse than Obama term two! The Syrian story ain't finished yet, far from it.

    Do you (or anybody for that matter) that Russia owns a large piece of real estate in the heart of Jerusalem, the Sergei Courtyard, part of what was the ‘Russian Compound’ built by the Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society for the accommodation of the Russian pilgrims to the Holy Land between 1860-1890, purchased in 1964 by the state of Israel for $3.5 million worth of oranges and recently returned to its initial owners?

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    Interesting fact which I did not know, but the Israelis are not very positively inclined towards any and all Christian denominations, so much so that the keys to the oldest Orthodox Christian Church in Jerusalem are entrusted to a Muslim Palestinian, if I recall correctly. Also, in all ME wars that Israel initiated, Christians of all denominations, and especially the Copts and other Orthodox Christians suffered the most. The terrorists sponsored by Israel had a completely free hand to rape, murder and expell the Orthodox Christians, especially in Syria.

    I appreciate you sharing this fact that the Israelis returned an important Russian compound in Jerusalem, but it does not look terribly relevant.
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  42. @Kiza
    utu, it is silly that other commenters are asking you for the source for the clearly speculative conspiracy theory of yours. At first glance the key claim of your theory that Putin got permission from Nutty Yahoo to enter Syria belongs to the same domain as "Snowden is a CIA agent", "Assange is a Mossad agent", and "Putin is just another member of the Globalist elite" most successfully pretending to be the man of the people (just another Jewish puppet faux populist). Yet, I do not want to dismiss your interesting theory outright and instead want to try to outline my thinking process about it, which is the same way I evaluate all lateral and outrageous claims that Internet generates.

    Firstly, on the minus side, the relations between Russia and Israel are complex. Nutty Yahoo depends on Putin almost as much as Putin cannot afford to offend back. Israel is full of real and pretend/wannabe Jews from SU, as we all know, most of who vote conservative - for Nutty. This makes it highly unlikely that Nutty would have liked the Russian intervention in Syria. Besides, throughout Russian intervention in Syria it was Nutty going to Moscow rather that Putin going to Israel, and who comes before who does matter as it always has.

    Secondly, on the plus side, the Israelis do have the propensity to try to make things better for themselves by making them worse. There are many examples of this and I will not outline them here. But I do feel that no matter what prejudices the Israelis may have had about Russian military, they would not have taken the risk of the Russian success lightly. Also, do not forget that the Israelis know very well what the state of the Russian military is, probably much better than the US intelligence. Finally, the last time the Russians faced Israelis was in Georgia and the Israelis would not have forgotten the hiding their Georgian trainees got. Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.

    Thirdly, I fully support the rest of your theory that Israelis almost desperately tried to drag Obama into Syria, with skillful arrangements which you describe. Those media and PR arrangements have typical Israeli and Western AshkeNazi fingerprints all over them. Almost certainly they would have succeeded and with much less effort if it were Obama's first term. But, despite all his terrible failings, Obama will enter history as the only US president who successfully resisted the Jewish war pressure in his last term. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the MAIN REASON for the quite unexpected Russian engagement and then success in Syria. Without Obama's resistance to being dragged-in, the Russians would not have stood a chance. But it is also quite likely that the Russians did have this in their calculations - something like "under second Obama we may get away with this". This is why it is the President Swamp's job now to roll this Russian success back, covered by a running joke about de-escalation with Russia (I am ROFL). At Israel's request, President Swamp left US troops in Syria until an opportune moment to, perhaps, get Syria attacked simultaneously by Israel, Turkey, US and Saudis, the action that those crooked scumbag countries never had the guts to do before: too costly they thought before they lost the Syrian war they started, which costs them much, much more.

    In summary for Russia, Trump term one will be worse than Obama term two! The Syrian story ain't finished yet, far from it.

    Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.

    Have to disagree. In fact, that was the main Israeli assumption.

    between Russia and Israel are complex

    True, namely very complex, yet, somehow, in all these discussions a “small” insignificant fact of Russian Orthodox Church’s lobbying for ME Christians was completely omitted, while in reality it was a major factor, apart from other military-political considerations, which influenced a decision on Syria. So, the dynamics is much more complex and, considering the modern history of Russian-Israeli relations, including Russia increasingly engaging Iran despite lass than enthusiastic response from Israel, it really shows that Israel for Russia, while important (including for cultural reasons), is not a defining factor in ME. Moreover, viewing Syria campaign in detachment from what is happening in Europe in general, and Ukraine in particular, is altogether not a good approach to a strategic analysis.

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    Well Andrei, maybe you know some things that I do not know, but I do follow closely all the developments in the Capital of all of the Western World, Hell Aviv. You have not provided any arguments for your denial of my conviction that the Israelis do not underestimate the Russian military, unless it is the kind of - many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria. In general, the Israeli leadership is exceptionally ruthless and self-confident but they are not dumb. During all their direct attacks on Syria, they meticulously avoided the Russian air-defence, for examample. That is a sign of respect.

    On the second issue of a wholistic analysis, why would one look at Syria in isolation from Ukraine, NK, even North Africa and the Horn of Africa? For example, many of the main puppet masters in Ukraine are Israeli citizens, Kolomoyskiy etc, etc. Simply stated, there is a limited number of characters mastering the global politics, which is for them quite similar to a chess game on the globard chess board. The next set of moves, after NK, will be in Ukraine around June, as I described above.
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  43. How old is Zhirinovsky?

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  44. Great article by the Saker.

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  45. Keep in mind that Israel does not attack daily. If some teenagers egg your car each day, you can stand ready and catch them. But if they egg at random times every few weeks?

    Look at the technical aspect. Israel launches “glide”bombs dozens of miles from a target so aircraft only enter Syrian airspace for a few minutes. Moreover, there at dozens of peacetime civilian aircraft flying about at all times. Israel can pop up and launch missiles or hide behind civilian aircraft. This is nearly impossible to counter unless one declares a “free fire zone” and shoots at everything in the air, which the Russians will wisely not do.

    Note that Israel only strikes in southern Syrian where it can play this “fly by” hit game safely, and does not hit Russian targets. If they do, a “free fire zone” might be declared and all aircraft stop flying to Israel, so its key tourism industry dies overnight. It’s all a cat and mouse game so far. Neither side really wants to fight. Greater Israel is a nice long term objective, so long as its not costly.

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  46. @Paranam Kid
    What is wrong with "Israel haters"? There are Russia haters, North Korea haters, Cuba haters, Venezuela haters, Iran haters, China haters, Germany haters, etc., but somehow nobody has any problems with that, nobody ever uses those terms. The only "hater" term employed is in the context of Israel - now why is that? Because the country is exceptional, Jews/Zionists are allowed to do whatever pleases them because their forebears suffered in the Holocaust? What is your gripe?

    Good questions, but you’re asking an idiot, so don’t expect a good answer from him.

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    Ts! Ts! Ts! You cannot totally eliminate the opposition. If you would, the sight would become colorless.
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  47. @Andrei Martyanov

    and how far they might actually be going, to protect their de facto allies from Israeli thuggery is an interesting one.
     
    As Syria's practice showed, Russia did what real allies do--she immensely helped to effectively win the war and thus preserve Syrian statehood. Now, things have to be taken in perspective--Israeli's strikes are mostly pin pricks and do not constitute actions which dramatically change operational and strategic state of the affairs there. ME in general is a snake pit and not is everything so rosy in Russian-Syrian relations. As Murakhovsky, correctly, noted in 2016--there are many sour grapes among many top brass people in SAA, and this is just one example among many. It is complex, but the main objective has been achieved, the rest--well, long process with a long backstage tactical posturing on all sides. It will take some time before we will get more-or-less accurate picture of what is today not-seen by the naked eye.

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  48. renfro says:

    Is it because Israel reportedly has well over 200 nukes all “pointed at Iran,”

    Sorry I cant view the Saker as ‘a source for information”

    Its plain he gives ‘ opinions.’…..well that is fine, but even there I find it hard to credit his opinions because he is doesn’t do his research.

    If I had a dollar for every time I seen some writer refer to Israel having 2oo nukes I’d be rich.

    The 200 Israeli nukes crap came from a quote by Collin Powell saying ..’Israel has 200 nukes pointed at Iran and the US had 1000 pointed at Iran’ ..when he was pontificating about how Iran wouldnt dare attack Israel or the US.
    The pundit writer’s world has been quoting that Powell 200 fiction now for 16 years….because they never heard of fact checking either.

    Israel has 80 nukes. That is the number the Federation of Atomic Scientist , who track all nukes, nuclear material, production, shipments of materials and transfers says…as well as the Arms Control and every other monitor and intel group ALL agree on.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

    https://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-forces/

    Please God sent us some writer thinkers who aren’t so sloppy. When I see this kind of sloppiness I don’t even care what else he has to say cause it might be built on the same lack of accuracy.

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    American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law.
    Let's not forget the 40 or so congresscritters and the thousands of "policy wonks" who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel.
    If I had my way, every last one would be subject to immediate deportation with permanent loss of United States of America citizenship. Those who refuse would be charged, tried and convicted of treason with appropriate punishment carried out.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Yes my child I hear you. But countries that have nukes do also have a group think that does allow them to act haphazardly.
    , @Anonymous
    I think Mordechai Vanunu was the original whistleblower with the 200 nukes claim. That was a long time ago, so it's reasonable to assume it's increased substantially.

    And how does one track nuclear material anyway? Didn't it disappear from Oak Ridge on the watch of a Jewish supervisor?
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  49. @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    Bullshit. The US stood down in 2013 not because of what Obama thought about Netanyahu, but because Russia represented real resistance that the US respected (if not feared, assuming there are some American planners who understand America only preys on small, weak nations). The current Russo-phobia hysteria in the US reflects International Jewry’s fury over Russian resistance.

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    Very good point!
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  50. @Kiza
    Yes, this is not one of the Saker’s best pieces, I agree with most of your points. Principally, the Saker does not answer the question of his reader and talks about Africa instead and then he skips that it is the Russian interest to prevent Israel from destroying Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah assets fighting the Israel sponsored terrorists in Syria that Russia is also bombing.

    The main reason Russia has not engaged Israel are not Israel’s nuclear weapons then the fact that such action would unite the monster of the world-wide Jewery against Putin and Russia. Putin survived and thrived only because he had friendly Jews opposing those Jews who were pillaging Russia. If all Jews united against Putin, he would not last long. This is the reason in a nutshell.

    But Saker discussed other very relevant points and very clearly - for example the artful cooking of the hyper-aggressive frog by remaining always below its threshold of “justified outrage” whilst accepting some rather painful blows.

    Your theory that Putin survived because he had friendly Jews to counter-balance the others seems plausible to me, but it raises the issue of how such a small group can be so powerful. I guess that’s an old question, but it really needs to be addressed more openly and abuses of Jewish power noted and countered. The politics of victimhood is starting to drown every other way of thinking about politics, with Jews as the Master Victims who get to define and arbitrate the claims of other victim groups.

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    ...but it raises the issue of how such a small group can be so powerful. I guess that’s an old question, but it really needs to be addressed more openly and abuses of Jewish power noted and countered.
     
    You got questions? I know someone who has answers; a whole book full, in fact.

    -Douglas Reed, “the Controversy of Zion,”

    https://archive.org/stream/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion_djvu.txt
     
    Short answer: Money, lies, theft, murder, extortion, blackmail...
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  51. when is the last time somebody came to the help of Russia?

    WWII?

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  52. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Therefore, the presumption that the Israelis would have assumed that the Russians would fail in Syria is very, very weak.
     
    Have to disagree. In fact, that was the main Israeli assumption.

    between Russia and Israel are complex
     
    True, namely very complex, yet, somehow, in all these discussions a "small" insignificant fact of Russian Orthodox Church's lobbying for ME Christians was completely omitted, while in reality it was a major factor, apart from other military-political considerations, which influenced a decision on Syria. So, the dynamics is much more complex and, considering the modern history of Russian-Israeli relations, including Russia increasingly engaging Iran despite lass than enthusiastic response from Israel, it really shows that Israel for Russia, while important (including for cultural reasons), is not a defining factor in ME. Moreover, viewing Syria campaign in detachment from what is happening in Europe in general, and Ukraine in particular, is altogether not a good approach to a strategic analysis.

    Well Andrei, maybe you know some things that I do not know, but I do follow closely all the developments in the Capital of all of the Western World, Hell Aviv. You have not provided any arguments for your denial of my conviction that the Israelis do not underestimate the Russian military, unless it is the kind of – many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria. In general, the Israeli leadership is exceptionally ruthless and self-confident but they are not dumb. During all their direct attacks on Syria, they meticulously avoided the Russian air-defence, for examample. That is a sign of respect.

    On the second issue of a wholistic analysis, why would one look at Syria in isolation from Ukraine, NK, even North Africa and the Horn of Africa? For example, many of the main puppet masters in Ukraine are Israeli citizens, Kolomoyskiy etc, etc. Simply stated, there is a limited number of characters mastering the global politics, which is for them quite similar to a chess game on the globard chess board. The next set of moves, after NK, will be in Ukraine around June, as I described above.

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    unless it is the kind of – many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria.
     
    Many Israelis served not only as conscripts but as junior and senior officers in the Soviet Armed Forces and I happen to knew a few of them. A lot in IDF organization and even combat manuals was "borrowed" from Soviet Armed Forces. Moreover, during the Yom Kippur in many IDF units which found themselves under the pressure from Arab forces held what is known even today in IDF a "Panfilov Roll-Call", after legendary Red Army general and his (allegedly) 28 Panfilovtsy who stopped German breakthrough near Moscow in 1941. Since then, however, more and more US trained and educated military brass got into the position of power in both military and political top of Israel. With that came hubris, arrogance, detachment from strategic and operational realities which were inevitable, especially in the country whose military record is based solely on defeating utterly incompetent Arab militaries.

    As a result, contemporary Israeli military-strategic analysis emulates in a very large degree... American "analysis", most of which is produced by people utterly detached from strategic reality, among which neocons, both of military and civilian kind, dominate. In fact, for all intents and purposes US and Israel mutually write their respective doctrines and strategies. All of them, since late 1980s are triumphalist, exceptionalist and fail time after time to "deliver". The proof as they say is in the pudding, from bloody IDF embarrassment by Hezbollah in 2006, to US' non-stop failure to achieve any tangible results in its wars all over the globe, the most remarkable of them being the whole Russian affair. So, the track record is here, the public manifestation of those views from Israeli, US media, to such "analytic" org as Debka, STRATFOR, Heritage etc. all singing from the same delusional script--it is all in the open. The question then is, what other arguments are needed? Wait for my book going in print this year--it is precisely on this subject. In fact its title even speaks for itself. BiBi's hysterical posture in the lat 3 years is the best proof of how, yet again, Israel miscalculated militarily, this is not speak of the fact that Israel is now looking for some other posse, which, as an example, an increased activity of such people as Yakov Kedmi (former Nativ leader) and others in Russia testifies.

    P.S. I wouldn't overestimate the "power" of the Israeli or Jewish lobby in Russia. They are influential but no more than some other diaspora. Nowhere near the neocon cabal in Washington.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    How little things make a difference. I did have a friend who went back to Israel to serve in the army in 6 day war, (Administrative job) The Arabs reasoning was that lets attack Israel at Holiday when nobody expects it. In that day everybody was at home. There was no traffic. Nobody was on the road.
    This reality was deciding organizational factor for Israeli Army.
    He told me that if Arabs would attack at any other time the Israels situation would have been dicey.
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  53. Momus says:

    Bottom line is that the IAF would wipe the floor with the Russians in Syria if it came to that.
    The Israelis have proven many times in the region that they have the measure of Russian technology and in the present situation overwhelmingly superior numbers, technology and motivation. As the writer says Putin is not stupid.

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    {Bottom line is that the IAF would wipe the floor with the Russians in Syria if it came to that.}

    How is IAF going to stop salvos of 100s maybe 1,000s of Kalibrs fired from inside Russia at targets inside Israel if it comes to that? And can you point to a single engagement by IAF of a peer air force? All of Israeli 'miracles' have been against 3rd rate, incompetent Arab forces.

    Maybe IAF will do OK against RuAF and its air defenses in Syria, and maybe it won't: nobody knows until it happens. Israel does have superior numbers of aircraft in the theater, but Russia is not going to play the numbers game there. Russia will respond asymmetrically: it will remotely wipe out Israeli military targets inside Israel - if it comes to that.

    But it won't: as has been stated by many already, neither side wants an escalation.
    And Israel knows it doesn't want an escalation, because their goals in Syria were completely upended by Russia, and Israel stood by and watched SAA, RuAF, IRG, and Hezbollah chop up Israel's terrorists in Syria. Israel's dream of dismembering Syria has evaporated for the time being.

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  54. Kiza says:
    @Seraphim
    Do you (or anybody for that matter) that Russia owns a large piece of real estate in the heart of Jerusalem, the Sergei Courtyard, part of what was the 'Russian Compound' built by the Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society for the accommodation of the Russian pilgrims to the Holy Land between 1860-1890, purchased in 1964 by the state of Israel for $3.5 million worth of oranges and recently returned to its initial owners?

    Interesting fact which I did not know, but the Israelis are not very positively inclined towards any and all Christian denominations, so much so that the keys to the oldest Orthodox Christian Church in Jerusalem are entrusted to a Muslim Palestinian, if I recall correctly. Also, in all ME wars that Israel initiated, Christians of all denominations, and especially the Copts and other Orthodox Christians suffered the most. The terrorists sponsored by Israel had a completely free hand to rape, murder and expell the Orthodox Christians, especially in Syria.

    I appreciate you sharing this fact that the Israelis returned an important Russian compound in Jerusalem, but it does not look terribly relevant.

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  55. Dingo jay says: • Website

    To put succinctly saker your man Putin punked out.

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  56. I read that Syrian air defence prevented the bombing.
    Then ‘rebels’ attacked on the ground.

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  57. @NoseytheDuke
    "Then, the only country which, to some extent, opposes The Empire is Russia."

    China doesn't even get a mention? Considering that The Empire has demonstrably failed to seize control of several much smaller nations despite throwing thousands of lives, trillions of dollars and uncountable resources that should have gone towards rebuilding the US, are you sure it's the real one and only heavyweight around the globe? It can certainly inflict great damage but to what end and what is gained?

    China is far from Europe.
    USA goals, world domination, an end in itself.
    What is gained, in the end, more wealth for the rich.
    Heavyweight, like the British empire in the thirties, mere bluff, too expensive to maintain.
    Alas in the thirties GB was unable of rational behaviour, today the USA is the same.
    No Obama care, but 50 milliard more for ‘defence’.

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    USA goals, world domination, an end in itself.
     
    The USA has been a puppet of the Talmudists for more than a century and will no doubt be tossed under the bus when it ceases to be useful. The US leadership is too stupid to have any designs.

    It's the Talmudists who want to rule the world and they even openly proclaimed it from at least the time of the moron, Marx, and they had the chutzpah to blame Hitler for the same designs!

    It's the Talmudic Zio-crazies and modern-day Commies whose goal is to rule the world, and through control of the biggest banks they're pretty close to their goal.
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  58. Avery says:
    @Momus
    Bottom line is that the IAF would wipe the floor with the Russians in Syria if it came to that.
    The Israelis have proven many times in the region that they have the measure of Russian technology and in the present situation overwhelmingly superior numbers, technology and motivation. As the writer says Putin is not stupid.

    {Bottom line is that the IAF would wipe the floor with the Russians in Syria if it came to that.}

    How is IAF going to stop salvos of 100s maybe 1,000s of Kalibrs fired from inside Russia at targets inside Israel if it comes to that? And can you point to a single engagement by IAF of a peer air force? All of Israeli ‘miracles’ have been against 3rd rate, incompetent Arab forces.

    Maybe IAF will do OK against RuAF and its air defenses in Syria, and maybe it won’t: nobody knows until it happens. Israel does have superior numbers of aircraft in the theater, but Russia is not going to play the numbers game there. Russia will respond asymmetrically: it will remotely wipe out Israeli military targets inside Israel – if it comes to that.

    But it won’t: as has been stated by many already, neither side wants an escalation.
    And Israel knows it doesn’t want an escalation, because their goals in Syria were completely upended by Russia, and Israel stood by and watched SAA, RuAF, IRG, and Hezbollah chop up Israel’s terrorists in Syria. Israel’s dream of dismembering Syria has evaporated for the time being.

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  59. n230099 says:

    “…however, that does in no way mean that the Russians when dealing with Israel should not consider the fact that Israel is a nuclear armed power ruled by racist megalomaniacs.”

    There are nuclear armed powers that are not?

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  60. Trying to reason with the Israelis or get the to listen to the UN has been tried by many countries for decades and if there is one thing which is beyond doubt is that the Israelis don’t give a damn about what anybody has to say.

    That is a fundamental truth and I’m happy to see that the message is out.

    The Izzies and Izzy firsters appear to be run by crackpots who simply understand nothing but force and who get their jollies by spreading destruction as far and wide as possible, and seem to enjoy double crossing anyone who’s foolish enough to give them a break.

    They are a cancer on the rest of us.

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    As Uri Avnery wrote 'force is the only language zionists understand'.
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  61. @jilles dykstra
    China is far from Europe.
    USA goals, world domination, an end in itself.
    What is gained, in the end, more wealth for the rich.
    Heavyweight, like the British empire in the thirties, mere bluff, too expensive to maintain.
    Alas in the thirties GB was unable of rational behaviour, today the USA is the same.
    No Obama care, but 50 milliard more for 'defence'.

    USA goals, world domination, an end in itself.

    The USA has been a puppet of the Talmudists for more than a century and will no doubt be tossed under the bus when it ceases to be useful. The US leadership is too stupid to have any designs.

    It’s the Talmudists who want to rule the world and they even openly proclaimed it from at least the time of the moron, Marx, and they had the chutzpah to blame Hitler for the same designs!

    It’s the Talmudic Zio-crazies and modern-day Commies whose goal is to rule the world, and through control of the biggest banks they’re pretty close to their goal.

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    The Monroe Doctrine was in 1820, or 1830.
    'Manifest Destiny' emerged around 1840.
    You cannot blame jews for anything.
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  62. Z-man says:

    It’s those 200 nukes that the Zionist Beast has. That makes all the difference.

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  63. Sherman says:

    Hey Andrei

    I see you’re still using the “Zionist Entity” as the surrogate punching bag for the father who wisely abandoned you.

    What does your therapist have to say about this?

    Sherm

    PS – Has it warmed up in Florida yet?

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  64. Mr. Hack says:

    Russian national interest to show that, unlike the US, Russia stands by her allies. But none of that means that Russia is now responsible for the protection of the sovereignty of the Syrian airspace or territory.

    Orwellian doulespeak that your doting cult followers here accept as wisdom? :-)

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  65. Putin is letting Israel expose themselves for the fact that they along with their slave country aka the U.S. and Britain created ISIS aka AL CIADA and the various other terrorist gangs , so that the world can see that the Zionists are the worlds foremost terrorist nation , second only to the U.S. and BRITAIN.

    The U.S. is Israels bitch.

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  66. @jacques sheete

    USA goals, world domination, an end in itself.
     
    The USA has been a puppet of the Talmudists for more than a century and will no doubt be tossed under the bus when it ceases to be useful. The US leadership is too stupid to have any designs.

    It's the Talmudists who want to rule the world and they even openly proclaimed it from at least the time of the moron, Marx, and they had the chutzpah to blame Hitler for the same designs!

    It's the Talmudic Zio-crazies and modern-day Commies whose goal is to rule the world, and through control of the biggest banks they're pretty close to their goal.

    The Monroe Doctrine was in 1820, or 1830.
    ‘Manifest Destiny’ emerged around 1840.
    You cannot blame jews for anything.

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    You cannot blame jews for anything.
     
    Who mentioned Jews?

    Anyway, you don't think "Jews" had anything to do with American colonies or were involved with the USA from the beginning?

    Colonial slave traders and financiers of the American Revolution and the subsequent USA were fairies from Antarctica or something?

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  67. @jacques sheete

    Trying to reason with the Israelis or get the to listen to the UN has been tried by many countries for decades and if there is one thing which is beyond doubt is that the Israelis don’t give a damn about what anybody has to say.
     
    That is a fundamental truth and I'm happy to see that the message is out.

    The Izzies and Izzy firsters appear to be run by crackpots who simply understand nothing but force and who get their jollies by spreading destruction as far and wide as possible, and seem to enjoy double crossing anyone who's foolish enough to give them a break.

    They are a cancer on the rest of us.

    As Uri Avnery wrote ‘force is the only language zionists understand’.

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  68. Joe Hide says:

    Saker,
    Good job. Keep it up. A side point, Your reference to the “Monkey with a hand grenade” had me burst out laughing. Some humor in this disturbingly serious topic helped immensely with the reading. Thanks!

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  69. anarchyst says:
    @Kiza
    Yes, this is not one of the Saker’s best pieces, I agree with most of your points. Principally, the Saker does not answer the question of his reader and talks about Africa instead and then he skips that it is the Russian interest to prevent Israel from destroying Syrian, Iranian and Hezbollah assets fighting the Israel sponsored terrorists in Syria that Russia is also bombing.

    The main reason Russia has not engaged Israel are not Israel’s nuclear weapons then the fact that such action would unite the monster of the world-wide Jewery against Putin and Russia. Putin survived and thrived only because he had friendly Jews opposing those Jews who were pillaging Russia. If all Jews united against Putin, he would not last long. This is the reason in a nutshell.

    But Saker discussed other very relevant points and very clearly - for example the artful cooking of the hyper-aggressive frog by remaining always below its threshold of “justified outrage” whilst accepting some rather painful blows.

    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

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  70. anarchyst says:
    @renfro

    Is it because Israel reportedly has well over 200 nukes all “pointed at Iran,”
     
    Sorry I cant view the Saker as 'a source for information"

    Its plain he gives ' opinions.'.....well that is fine, but even there I find it hard to credit his opinions because he is doesn't do his research.

    If I had a dollar for every time I seen some writer refer to Israel having 2oo nukes I'd be rich.

    The 200 Israeli nukes crap came from a quote by Collin Powell saying ..'Israel has 200 nukes pointed at Iran and the US had 1000 pointed at Iran' ..when he was pontificating about how Iran wouldnt dare attack Israel or the US.
    The pundit writer's world has been quoting that Powell 200 fiction now for 16 years....because they never heard of fact checking either.

    Israel has 80 nukes. That is the number the Federation of Atomic Scientist , who track all nukes, nuclear material, production, shipments of materials and transfers says...as well as the Arms Control and every other monitor and intel group ALL agree on.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat
    https://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-forces/

    Please God sent us some writer thinkers who aren't so sloppy. When I see this kind of sloppiness I don't even care what else he has to say cause it might be built on the same lack of accuracy.

    American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law.
    Let’s not forget the 40 or so congresscritters and the thousands of “policy wonks” who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel.
    If I had my way, every last one would be subject to immediate deportation with permanent loss of United States of America citizenship. Those who refuse would be charged, tried and convicted of treason with appropriate punishment carried out.

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    Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.
     
    I wholeheartedly agree with this, but how will we enact such laws when the lawmakers themselves are complicit? The foxes guard the henhouse. Only a revolution can save us, but it seems that we are not hurting enough yet for such an action to erupt. When the pain is sufficiently evident, it may be too late.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    sinking of an american battleship + stealing nukes didn't result in anything bad for israel, what can't israel do?

    every new congress member gets a free trip to israel to swear fealty :) every new presidential candidate had to kiss ass at aipac. trump, the american champion, "my grandson is a jew!!!"

    , @renfro

    Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid
     
    Yes I know.

    Not having a dual citizenship however doesn't deter traitors.....lose of the 'dual' rights just prevent them from running to the other country to escape US law and punishment. ....and in the case of Israel it would likely take a US Jew traitor in anyway.

    90% of congress is treasonous imo.....hell, these days half of elected and or appointed officials weren't even born in the US.
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  71. Whatever Israel hopes to achieve with these strikes, ultimately they are just annoyances and as usual, Israel will not escalate any hostilities in the region (least of all against Russia), unless it has assurances that the Americans will directly join the fray. One rare sign of optimism these days, it looks like the Americans may be starting to resist or push back some.

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  72. This author loves to bury us in a mass of details with the main point somewhere else. What is interesting though is how defensive he is. Clearly, he sees the danger of Russia being Israel’s enemy and is trying to explain it away. The simple answer to why Russia doesn’t attack the Israelis is fear. Fear both of Israeli retaliation and fear that a Russian attack on Israeli forces would provoke a US attack on Russian forces. The rest is just the usual pro-Putin propaganda.

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  73. nsa says:

    This is settled law. One hundred years ago, the great patriot and peace lover, Henry Ford, took on the vile conniving jooie cabal head on in an attempt to prevent WW1. Ford even organized and bankrolled a private peace mission to Europe. Ole Henry Ford was easily crushed by the bloodthirsty jooies who got their war. Seventy five years ago, the great aviator, Charles Lindberg, took on the bloodthirsty jooies in a single speech in an attempt to prevent WW2. Lindberg was immediately crushed and branded a goose stepper by the jooie controlled press…..even his friends turned on him. No public figure has had the balls to take on the jooies since Lindberg. The result: Mammon rules and JUSA pols can’t so much as flush their toilets without consulting their traitorous jooie overseers for permission……..

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  74. @jilles dykstra
    The Monroe Doctrine was in 1820, or 1830.
    'Manifest Destiny' emerged around 1840.
    You cannot blame jews for anything.

    You cannot blame jews for anything.

    Who mentioned Jews?

    Anyway, you don’t think “Jews” had anything to do with American colonies or were involved with the USA from the beginning?

    Colonial slave traders and financiers of the American Revolution and the subsequent USA were fairies from Antarctica or something?

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  75. @anarchyst
    American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law.
    Let's not forget the 40 or so congresscritters and the thousands of "policy wonks" who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel.
    If I had my way, every last one would be subject to immediate deportation with permanent loss of United States of America citizenship. Those who refuse would be charged, tried and convicted of treason with appropriate punishment carried out.

    Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    I wholeheartedly agree with this, but how will we enact such laws when the lawmakers themselves are complicit? The foxes guard the henhouse. Only a revolution can save us, but it seems that we are not hurting enough yet for such an action to erupt. When the pain is sufficiently evident, it may be too late.

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  76. Wally says: • Website
    @Paranam Kid
    What is wrong with "Israel haters"? There are Russia haters, North Korea haters, Cuba haters, Venezuela haters, Iran haters, China haters, Germany haters, etc., but somehow nobody has any problems with that, nobody ever uses those terms. The only "hater" term employed is in the context of Israel - now why is that? Because the country is exceptional, Jews/Zionists are allowed to do whatever pleases them because their forebears suffered in the Holocaust? What is your gripe?

    said:
    ” because their forebears suffered in the Holocaust?”

    There was no ’6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers’. Utterly impossible.

    However, Jews have been marketing that ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869.

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    http://www.codoh.com

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  77. @anarchyst
    American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law.
    Let's not forget the 40 or so congresscritters and the thousands of "policy wonks" who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel.
    If I had my way, every last one would be subject to immediate deportation with permanent loss of United States of America citizenship. Those who refuse would be charged, tried and convicted of treason with appropriate punishment carried out.

    sinking of an american battleship + stealing nukes didn’t result in anything bad for israel, what can’t israel do?

    every new congress member gets a free trip to israel to swear fealty :) every new presidential candidate had to kiss ass at aipac. trump, the american champion, “my grandson is a jew!!!”

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  78. When the pain is sufficiently evident, it may be too late.

    I believe that it was already too late about a century ago.

    For sure, we have been robbed of financial and most of our other resources and we have been completely shorn of so much as a pretense to moral authority.

    A revolution is needed but not a violent one, which in any case, if not fomented by the usual suspects, certainly gets co-opted by them. The revolution has to be one of the spirit and Muslims seem to know that, which is one reason the world hegemons continue on their mission to destroy their cohesiveness if not Islam itself.

    Christianity, having been warped and perverted from within and without, is no longer much of a threat and probably will not be revived anytime soon, if ever.

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  79. @Kiza
    Well Andrei, maybe you know some things that I do not know, but I do follow closely all the developments in the Capital of all of the Western World, Hell Aviv. You have not provided any arguments for your denial of my conviction that the Israelis do not underestimate the Russian military, unless it is the kind of - many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria. In general, the Israeli leadership is exceptionally ruthless and self-confident but they are not dumb. During all their direct attacks on Syria, they meticulously avoided the Russian air-defence, for examample. That is a sign of respect.

    On the second issue of a wholistic analysis, why would one look at Syria in isolation from Ukraine, NK, even North Africa and the Horn of Africa? For example, many of the main puppet masters in Ukraine are Israeli citizens, Kolomoyskiy etc, etc. Simply stated, there is a limited number of characters mastering the global politics, which is for them quite similar to a chess game on the globard chess board. The next set of moves, after NK, will be in Ukraine around June, as I described above.

    unless it is the kind of – many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria.

    Many Israelis served not only as conscripts but as junior and senior officers in the Soviet Armed Forces and I happen to knew a few of them. A lot in IDF organization and even combat manuals was “borrowed” from Soviet Armed Forces. Moreover, during the Yom Kippur in many IDF units which found themselves under the pressure from Arab forces held what is known even today in IDF a “Panfilov Roll-Call”, after legendary Red Army general and his (allegedly) 28 Panfilovtsy who stopped German breakthrough near Moscow in 1941. Since then, however, more and more US trained and educated military brass got into the position of power in both military and political top of Israel. With that came hubris, arrogance, detachment from strategic and operational realities which were inevitable, especially in the country whose military record is based solely on defeating utterly incompetent Arab militaries.

    As a result, contemporary Israeli military-strategic analysis emulates in a very large degree… American “analysis”, most of which is produced by people utterly detached from strategic reality, among which neocons, both of military and civilian kind, dominate. In fact, for all intents and purposes US and Israel mutually write their respective doctrines and strategies. All of them, since late 1980s are triumphalist, exceptionalist and fail time after time to “deliver”. The proof as they say is in the pudding, from bloody IDF embarrassment by Hezbollah in 2006, to US’ non-stop failure to achieve any tangible results in its wars all over the globe, the most remarkable of them being the whole Russian affair. So, the track record is here, the public manifestation of those views from Israeli, US media, to such “analytic” org as Debka, STRATFOR, Heritage etc. all singing from the same delusional script–it is all in the open. The question then is, what other arguments are needed? Wait for my book going in print this year–it is precisely on this subject. In fact its title even speaks for itself. BiBi’s hysterical posture in the lat 3 years is the best proof of how, yet again, Israel miscalculated militarily, this is not speak of the fact that Israel is now looking for some other posse, which, as an example, an increased activity of such people as Yakov Kedmi (former Nativ leader) and others in Russia testifies.

    P.S. I wouldn’t overestimate the “power” of the Israeli or Jewish lobby in Russia. They are influential but no more than some other diaspora. Nowhere near the neocon cabal in Washington.

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    I happen to knew
     
    Correction: Happened to know. My apologies to a proper English.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone. It awfully looks like they decided to ignore realities on the ground and keep pushing their agenda regardless. Creating own reality as Bush said. I see definite danger that they indeed might mess things p again on Syria. It is always easy to destroy than build. I frankly feel it is odd that Syria with Russia and possibly China and others backing is not consistently demanding immediate withdrawal of American forces and calling it what it is unmasked aggression and invasion of souvereighn state.
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  80. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Good questions, but you’re asking an idiot, so don’t expect a good answer from him.

    Ts! Ts! Ts! You cannot totally eliminate the opposition. If you would, the sight would become colorless.

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  81. @Andrei Martyanov

    unless it is the kind of – many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria.
     
    Many Israelis served not only as conscripts but as junior and senior officers in the Soviet Armed Forces and I happen to knew a few of them. A lot in IDF organization and even combat manuals was "borrowed" from Soviet Armed Forces. Moreover, during the Yom Kippur in many IDF units which found themselves under the pressure from Arab forces held what is known even today in IDF a "Panfilov Roll-Call", after legendary Red Army general and his (allegedly) 28 Panfilovtsy who stopped German breakthrough near Moscow in 1941. Since then, however, more and more US trained and educated military brass got into the position of power in both military and political top of Israel. With that came hubris, arrogance, detachment from strategic and operational realities which were inevitable, especially in the country whose military record is based solely on defeating utterly incompetent Arab militaries.

    As a result, contemporary Israeli military-strategic analysis emulates in a very large degree... American "analysis", most of which is produced by people utterly detached from strategic reality, among which neocons, both of military and civilian kind, dominate. In fact, for all intents and purposes US and Israel mutually write their respective doctrines and strategies. All of them, since late 1980s are triumphalist, exceptionalist and fail time after time to "deliver". The proof as they say is in the pudding, from bloody IDF embarrassment by Hezbollah in 2006, to US' non-stop failure to achieve any tangible results in its wars all over the globe, the most remarkable of them being the whole Russian affair. So, the track record is here, the public manifestation of those views from Israeli, US media, to such "analytic" org as Debka, STRATFOR, Heritage etc. all singing from the same delusional script--it is all in the open. The question then is, what other arguments are needed? Wait for my book going in print this year--it is precisely on this subject. In fact its title even speaks for itself. BiBi's hysterical posture in the lat 3 years is the best proof of how, yet again, Israel miscalculated militarily, this is not speak of the fact that Israel is now looking for some other posse, which, as an example, an increased activity of such people as Yakov Kedmi (former Nativ leader) and others in Russia testifies.

    P.S. I wouldn't overestimate the "power" of the Israeli or Jewish lobby in Russia. They are influential but no more than some other diaspora. Nowhere near the neocon cabal in Washington.

    I happen to knew

    Correction: Happened to know. My apologies to a proper English.

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  82. @renfro

    Is it because Israel reportedly has well over 200 nukes all “pointed at Iran,”
     
    Sorry I cant view the Saker as 'a source for information"

    Its plain he gives ' opinions.'.....well that is fine, but even there I find it hard to credit his opinions because he is doesn't do his research.

    If I had a dollar for every time I seen some writer refer to Israel having 2oo nukes I'd be rich.

    The 200 Israeli nukes crap came from a quote by Collin Powell saying ..'Israel has 200 nukes pointed at Iran and the US had 1000 pointed at Iran' ..when he was pontificating about how Iran wouldnt dare attack Israel or the US.
    The pundit writer's world has been quoting that Powell 200 fiction now for 16 years....because they never heard of fact checking either.

    Israel has 80 nukes. That is the number the Federation of Atomic Scientist , who track all nukes, nuclear material, production, shipments of materials and transfers says...as well as the Arms Control and every other monitor and intel group ALL agree on.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat
    https://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-forces/

    Please God sent us some writer thinkers who aren't so sloppy. When I see this kind of sloppiness I don't even care what else he has to say cause it might be built on the same lack of accuracy.

    Yes my child I hear you. But countries that have nukes do also have a group think that does allow them to act haphazardly.

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    But countries that have nukes do also have a group think that does allow them to act haphazardly
     
    I don't doubt that Israel would act haphazardly. And I have noticed that Jews share such cultural traits as over emotionalism, hysteria, loud braying and so forth found in certain other groups.

    What really interest me is what the US would do if our satellites detected the Israelis opening a silo door to launch a nuke. And not only the US, Russia monitors the worlds nuke sites from their satellites too.
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  83. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Bullshit. The US stood down in 2013 not because of what Obama thought about Netanyahu, but because Russia represented real resistance that the US respected (if not feared, assuming there are some American planners who understand America only preys on small, weak nations). The current Russo-phobia hysteria in the US reflects International Jewry’s fury over Russian resistance.

    Very good point!

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  84. @Kiza
    Well Andrei, maybe you know some things that I do not know, but I do follow closely all the developments in the Capital of all of the Western World, Hell Aviv. You have not provided any arguments for your denial of my conviction that the Israelis do not underestimate the Russian military, unless it is the kind of - many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria. In general, the Israeli leadership is exceptionally ruthless and self-confident but they are not dumb. During all their direct attacks on Syria, they meticulously avoided the Russian air-defence, for examample. That is a sign of respect.

    On the second issue of a wholistic analysis, why would one look at Syria in isolation from Ukraine, NK, even North Africa and the Horn of Africa? For example, many of the main puppet masters in Ukraine are Israeli citizens, Kolomoyskiy etc, etc. Simply stated, there is a limited number of characters mastering the global politics, which is for them quite similar to a chess game on the globard chess board. The next set of moves, after NK, will be in Ukraine around June, as I described above.

    How little things make a difference. I did have a friend who went back to Israel to serve in the army in 6 day war, (Administrative job) The Arabs reasoning was that lets attack Israel at Holiday when nobody expects it. In that day everybody was at home. There was no traffic. Nobody was on the road.
    This reality was deciding organizational factor for Israeli Army.
    He told me that if Arabs would attack at any other time the Israels situation would have been dicey.

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  85. Z-man says:
    @nsa
    This is settled law. One hundred years ago, the great patriot and peace lover, Henry Ford, took on the vile conniving jooie cabal head on in an attempt to prevent WW1. Ford even organized and bankrolled a private peace mission to Europe. Ole Henry Ford was easily crushed by the bloodthirsty jooies who got their war. Seventy five years ago, the great aviator, Charles Lindberg, took on the bloodthirsty jooies in a single speech in an attempt to prevent WW2. Lindberg was immediately crushed and branded a goose stepper by the jooie controlled press.....even his friends turned on him. No public figure has had the balls to take on the jooies since Lindberg. The result: Mammon rules and JUSA pols can't so much as flush their toilets without consulting their traitorous jooie overseers for permission........

    Yes, Henry Ford, ‘The Dearborn Independent’ and ‘The International Jew’, great works. Lucky Lindy, another great man almost destroyed by the ‘press’ after his passing.

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  86. peterAUS says:

    Well….the, what I’ll start to call “Eastern Meme” is fine.
    It’s:

    American “analysis”, most of which is produced by people utterly detached from strategic reality, among which neocons, both of military and civilian kind, dominate. In fact, for all intents and purposes US and Israel mutually write their respective doctrines and strategies. All of them, since late 1980s are triumphalist, exceptionalist and fail time after time to “deliver”. The proof as they say is in the pudding, from bloody IDF embarrassment by Hezbollah in 2006, to US’ non-stop failure to achieve any tangible results in its wars all over the globe, the most remarkable of them being the whole Russian affair.

    Emphasize on “detached from reality” and “failed to deliver”. Especially the first.

    How about a bit of a different angle here?

    So, let’s see:
    Ukraine, before “the event” within Russian sphere of influence; now, two thirds of it under US influence. US soldiers, in uniforms, there.
    Syria, before “the event” an organized ME state and Russian ally. After “the event” a mess with ongoing civil war.
    As for all over the world, the constant expansion of US military presence. Constant expansion, both in quality and quantity. Bases and such.

    Ah, yes, that’s not important, “meme” wise. What is important is that The Empire got embroiled there and is wasting resources there. And Russia isn’t. I mean, by helping “Donbass” and propping up Assad.
    Ah ,there is more: The Empire (US in particular) has lost its moral standing. Yeah.

    So, if some of us assume that the goal in Ukraine was that constant expansion eastwards and in Syria creating and maintaining chaos and all over the world constant expansion of US military presence……..looks as a successful delivery to me.

    Ah, yes, but that will exhaust The Empire and the counterattack by Russia, China and host of other countries will be triumphant. Sure.

    And those who don’t see all that as…explained….by “Russian Meme” are simply…well…put any derogatory expression here. Those more ambitious could even write down some diagnosis. Note: works other way too.

    Well…fear not. I am looking forward to more of The Empire’s “non delivery” in Syria and Ukraine this year.
    And some other places. Bases around the world too. Overt and covert.
    In short, more “failures to deliver”.

    Weird.

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  87. Sparkon says:
    @reiner Tor
    I simply took my cues from Wikipedia. It's only the Russians who claim that only 23 missiles hit their targets.

    U.S. Central Command stated in a press release that Tomahawk missiles hit "aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, defense systems, and radars".[29] Initial U.S. reports claimed "approximately 20 planes" were destroyed, and that 58 out of the 59 cruise missiles launched "severely degraded or destroyed" their intended target.[30][31] According to the satellite images the runways[32] and the taxiways have been reportedly undamaged and combat flights from the attacked airbase resumed on 7 April a few hours after the attack, although U.S. officials did not state that the runway was a target.[33][34][35] In a later statement on 10 April 2017, the US Secretary of Defense James Mattis claimed that the strike destroyed about 20% of the Syrian government's operational aircraft and the base had lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft.[36]

    An independent bomb damage assessment conducted by ImageSat International counted hits on 44 targets, with some targets being hit by more than one missile; these figures were determined using satellite images of the airbase 10 hours after the strike.[37]

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strike damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot, and an air defense base.[38][39]

    Al-Masdar News reported that 15 fighter jets were damaged or destroyed and that the destruction of fuel tankers caused several explosions and a large fire.[40]
     
    This is why I'm waiting for a source for the Saker's statement that the Americans have already basically admitted the failure of the strike, moreover, that it was caused by Russian EW measures. (Actually, using EW measures to cause the missiles to fail is basically not all that much different from using AA missiles to get the same results. I always get these references to mythical Russian EW measures, for example supposedly at the Black Sea against some US warship. I highly doubt that Black Sea warship incident ever happened. Using EW measures against a US warship is or would be an act of war. The same as hitting it with missiles. People often don't seem to understand it.)

    Based on my review of the ISI satellite imagery, analysis, and other information at their website, I can only conclude that most, and possibly virtually all of the Tomahawks hit their targets at the Shayrat air base.

    In the immediate aftermath of the event, ISI analyzed satellite imagery of the April 7, 2017 U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile attack on Shayrat air base in Syria:

    According to ISI experts, the total of 44 targets hit. Several targets may have hit twice. [sic]
    {…]
    Although 58 missiles hit the base, it seems that the overall damage to the base is limited because the warhead of the Tomahawk is not considered large and weighs about 450 kg.


    Yes, it is conceivable that their images have been retouched to make the attack look more successful than it was, so as with all photo and video imagery these days, we have to keep that possibility in mind, however remote.

    Some have argued that the attack was not successful because the runways were not knocked out, which has merit, but I think there are more powerful, specialized munitions for the specific purposes of cratering runways, while the Tomahawk is more ideally suited to go after softer, higher value targets at the air base. According to ISI analysts and U.S. CentCom statements, many support and ancillary facilities at Shayrat were hit, and other sources claim a number of aircraft were damaged or destroyed.

    Even though the runways remained open, the operational readiness of the air base must have been degraded by the attack for some time.

    https://www.imagesatintl.com/us-strike-syria/

    But bear in mind that the Russians got advance notice, so this Shayrat adventure must be considered a limited, rather than all-out attack on the air base, but Pres. Trump nevertheless squandered a lot of political capital in ordering it.

    Pres. Trump’s justification for launching the attack was to retaliate for the alleged Syrian chemical weapons attack supposedly launched from Shayrat. In October 2017, the UN and OPCW’s JIM issued its report, blaming Assad:

    The JIM report said that experts are “confident” that the Syrian government was behind the April 4 sarin attack in the Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun in April that killed more than 90 people, drawing international outrage and prompting a quick U.S. missile strike on the Shayrat air base that Washington said had been used to launch the attack.

    Ulyanov argued that the report was unsubstantiated and ignored evidence suggesting that sarin could have been used by the rebels in order to blame Bashar Assad’s government.

    He particularly criticized the JIM for failing to take samples from the site of the attack in Khan Sheikhoun and the Shayrat air base despite security guarantees offered to inspectors.

    “Imagine a criminal investigation in which police refuse to visit the site of the crime. No court will ever accept it,” Ulyanov said. “But they consider it possible to do such thing at the U.N. Security Council.”
    [...]
    Ulyanov criticized the U.S. and Britain for rushing to conclusion that Assad’s government was to blame for Khan Sheikhoun, adding that it made no sense for Assad’s government to launch such an attack.

    Ulyanov argued that the JIM’s conclusion that a Syrian warplane dropped a bomb containing sarin isn’t supported by images of the explosion site that show a crater he said could only have been left by an explosive device planted on the surface.

    He also insisted that Syrian planes’ routes recorded by air traffic control means of the U.S.-led coalition prove that none of them approached Khan Sheikhoun closely enough to drop a bomb.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/russia-wants-new-rules-syria-chemical-weapons-inspectors/

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  88. @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu.

    I suspect that’s true.

    I also suspect that if he doesn’t play along with the world’s bosses, (the mouthy punk, Neatanyahoo is just another expendable puppet), he’d be sidelined in one way or another.

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  89. @jack daniels
    Your theory that Putin survived because he had friendly Jews to counter-balance the others seems plausible to me, but it raises the issue of how such a small group can be so powerful. I guess that's an old question, but it really needs to be addressed more openly and abuses of Jewish power noted and countered. The politics of victimhood is starting to drown every other way of thinking about politics, with Jews as the Master Victims who get to define and arbitrate the claims of other victim groups.

    …but it raises the issue of how such a small group can be so powerful. I guess that’s an old question, but it really needs to be addressed more openly and abuses of Jewish power noted and countered.

    You got questions? I know someone who has answers; a whole book full, in fact.

    -Douglas Reed, “the Controversy of Zion,”

    https://archive.org/stream/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion_djvu.txt

    Short answer: Money, lies, theft, murder, extortion, blackmail…

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  90. Although the article does not address it, and few if any commenters have mentioned it, Israeli airstrikes are carried out primarily for the purpose of intercepting and destroying advanced Iranian-produced weapons reaching Hezbollah forces in Lebanon. One would assume (and hope) that Israeli airstrikes are successful in intercepting only a very small percentage of that total. Ever since Hezbollah cleaned Israel’s plow in 2006, they have found it impossible to deal with the limitation of being unable to invade Lebanon at will. As a result, Iranian produced weapons reaching Hezbollah forces via Syria was, and will continue to be why Israel and the US will never give up hope of eventually removing Assad from power, followed by regime change in Iran.

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  91. roentgen says:

    Blatant absence of any discussion of the economic times. Back in the day it was a given that WW3 would begin if USrael messed with Iran or Syria. I strongly suspect that Russia has found a lot of oil on their own land since the 1980s.

    Not to mention that their central bank is also controlled by the “tribe” out of london. US is experiencing a “yuge” economic downturn, so far hidden from the public to a large extent, so the big war may come in the next few years though.

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  92. Art says:

    I don’t see the Israelis use nukes on Russian forces, however, that does in no way mean that the Russians when dealing with Israel should not consider the fact that Israel is a nuclear armed power ruled by racist megalomaniacs.

    One thing not covered in this article is that Israel is weak on the diplomatic front. No one likes them.

    All those nukes they have, should be a target of condemnation. They are a true danger to the world.

    Trump has shot his wad by gutting payments the UN, Palestinians, and Pakistan. What more can he do without totally infuriating and displeasing everyone. He is on the road to making it – US/Israel vs. the world. It would not take much more, for that to happen.

    There is a total media blackout on the Israel nuke issue. That must change. If Russia or China or both were to make an issue of the situation – they would put Israel on the defensive. It is the only country that is actively threatening the world with its nukes.

    The Jew “Samson Doom” must be taken up by the world as a top priority.

    Think Peace — Art

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  93. Dmitry says:

    Israel air-strikes are only doing two things:

    1. Hitting missile shipments and Hezbollah conveys from Iran/Syria to Hezbollah (which will soon be used against Israel itself). Syria is the transport route for Hezbollah re-armament.

    2. Hitting small things each time a mortar goes into Israeli territory. This is the same tactic used in Gaza, where Israel hits a usually low-priority target (often empty warehouse) after there will be a rocket or mortar landing in Israel (even when the actual source of fire from Gaza is Iran’s groups like Islamic Jihad in Gaza). The key here is to disincentivize other side from spilling over, without creating escalation (so the first strike back is usually very mild to avoid escalation).

    -

    As for the rest of silly speculations and so on. By itself, Assad is no problem in Syria from Israel’s perspective (preferable in fact than a total dissolution of the country, which is what has occurred). The problem are Hezbollah/Iran setting up in Syria. and Syria acting as transport hub for Hezbollah re-armament. The more and more Assad is becoming more and more an agent of Iran/Hezbollah, the more this is exacerbated.

    Russia in Syria is a mixed position or mixed blessing. On the negative side, it is de facto propping up Iran/Syria’s positions in Syria. On the positive side, Russian forces in Syria by themselves are a positive thing, as they keep order and also restrain the other actors. They also result in an Assad that is a little less (other things equal) beholden to Iran/Hezbollah.

    If Russia would totally take over Syria, this would be great, as it would be a moderating factor from Israel’s perspective However, Russia will never do this. Even worse, Russia is unlikely to have much long-term commitment in Syria, beyond one airbase and the port. What does have a long-term commitment in Syria is Iran/Hezbollah, and this is where the entire problem is for Israel.

    Overall there is very messy and complicated situation in Syria from the start, with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel’s side. The policy which is chosen is ‘risk-averse’ option, that is to combine ‘wait-and-see’ approach, with a ‘harm-reduction’ approach (‘harm-reduction approached centred on airstrikes hitting Hezbollah missile and weapon re-armament conveys whenever they become available to intelligence, which seems around monthly).

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    Good comment.

    Re

    with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel’s side
     
    wouldn't know about that.

    The next Israel-Hezbollah round doesn't necessarily need to be as the last one.
    Could be more successful for Israel. All depends have they been implementing "the lessons learnt" from the previous clash.

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword "properly".
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.

    Hezbollah is a serious outfit. Will demand a serious effort.

    We'll see.
    , @Frankie P
    The Russian cover over Khmeimim and Tartus provides Assad/Iran/Hezzbollah a terrific opportunity to produce missiles in the area, protected by the S-400 systems deterring ANY hostile aircraft even approaching the area. I wonder if Russia turns a blind eye to this kind of production, or even facilitates it. Perhaps they are not even aware of it. This could become a very useful source of more missiles for Hezzbollah, missiles that would NOT need to transverse the risky ride on the highways along the Shia Crescent from Iran.

    Frankie P
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  94. peterAUS says:
    @Dmitry
    Israel air-strikes are only doing two things:

    1. Hitting missile shipments and Hezbollah conveys from Iran/Syria to Hezbollah (which will soon be used against Israel itself). Syria is the transport route for Hezbollah re-armament.

    2. Hitting small things each time a mortar goes into Israeli territory. This is the same tactic used in Gaza, where Israel hits a usually low-priority target (often empty warehouse) after there will be a rocket or mortar landing in Israel (even when the actual source of fire from Gaza is Iran's groups like Islamic Jihad in Gaza). The key here is to disincentivize other side from spilling over, without creating escalation (so the first strike back is usually very mild to avoid escalation).

    -

    As for the rest of silly speculations and so on. By itself, Assad is no problem in Syria from Israel's perspective (preferable in fact than a total dissolution of the country, which is what has occurred). The problem are Hezbollah/Iran setting up in Syria. and Syria acting as transport hub for Hezbollah re-armament. The more and more Assad is becoming more and more an agent of Iran/Hezbollah, the more this is exacerbated.

    Russia in Syria is a mixed position or mixed blessing. On the negative side, it is de facto propping up Iran/Syria's positions in Syria. On the positive side, Russian forces in Syria by themselves are a positive thing, as they keep order and also restrain the other actors. They also result in an Assad that is a little less (other things equal) beholden to Iran/Hezbollah.

    If Russia would totally take over Syria, this would be great, as it would be a moderating factor from Israel's perspective However, Russia will never do this. Even worse, Russia is unlikely to have much long-term commitment in Syria, beyond one airbase and the port. What does have a long-term commitment in Syria is Iran/Hezbollah, and this is where the entire problem is for Israel.

    Overall there is very messy and complicated situation in Syria from the start, with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel's side. The policy which is chosen is 'risk-averse' option, that is to combine 'wait-and-see' approach, with a 'harm-reduction' approach ('harm-reduction approached centred on airstrikes hitting Hezbollah missile and weapon re-armament conveys whenever they become available to intelligence, which seems around monthly).

    Good comment.

    Re

    with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel’s side

    wouldn’t know about that.

    The next Israel-Hezbollah round doesn’t necessarily need to be as the last one.
    Could be more successful for Israel. All depends have they been implementing “the lessons learnt” from the previous clash.

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword “properly”.
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.

    Hezbollah is a serious outfit. Will demand a serious effort.

    We’ll see.

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    The airforce will hit them harder in the next war, as it upgraded how many bombs each plane can carry (Hezbollah will also a lot fire more rockets/missiles than last time). But there is no 'victory' in this scenario. Just rebuilding deterrence, to maintain quiet for a number more years. (Even just a few dozen rockets shut down the economy, so the longer the deterrence and quiet lasts, the better.) Exactly the same situation with Hamas in Gaza, except that Hezbollah can and will fire a lot more missiles in the initial volleys compared to Hamas, so the whole economy will shut down in this period (at least as far South as Tel Aviv area this time round).
    , @iffen

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword “properly”.
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.
     
    WTF?
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  95. @Andrei Martyanov

    unless it is the kind of – many Israelis served as conscripts in the SU military of the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Military was not in a best shape, so they expected the same in Syria.
     
    Many Israelis served not only as conscripts but as junior and senior officers in the Soviet Armed Forces and I happen to knew a few of them. A lot in IDF organization and even combat manuals was "borrowed" from Soviet Armed Forces. Moreover, during the Yom Kippur in many IDF units which found themselves under the pressure from Arab forces held what is known even today in IDF a "Panfilov Roll-Call", after legendary Red Army general and his (allegedly) 28 Panfilovtsy who stopped German breakthrough near Moscow in 1941. Since then, however, more and more US trained and educated military brass got into the position of power in both military and political top of Israel. With that came hubris, arrogance, detachment from strategic and operational realities which were inevitable, especially in the country whose military record is based solely on defeating utterly incompetent Arab militaries.

    As a result, contemporary Israeli military-strategic analysis emulates in a very large degree... American "analysis", most of which is produced by people utterly detached from strategic reality, among which neocons, both of military and civilian kind, dominate. In fact, for all intents and purposes US and Israel mutually write their respective doctrines and strategies. All of them, since late 1980s are triumphalist, exceptionalist and fail time after time to "deliver". The proof as they say is in the pudding, from bloody IDF embarrassment by Hezbollah in 2006, to US' non-stop failure to achieve any tangible results in its wars all over the globe, the most remarkable of them being the whole Russian affair. So, the track record is here, the public manifestation of those views from Israeli, US media, to such "analytic" org as Debka, STRATFOR, Heritage etc. all singing from the same delusional script--it is all in the open. The question then is, what other arguments are needed? Wait for my book going in print this year--it is precisely on this subject. In fact its title even speaks for itself. BiBi's hysterical posture in the lat 3 years is the best proof of how, yet again, Israel miscalculated militarily, this is not speak of the fact that Israel is now looking for some other posse, which, as an example, an increased activity of such people as Yakov Kedmi (former Nativ leader) and others in Russia testifies.

    P.S. I wouldn't overestimate the "power" of the Israeli or Jewish lobby in Russia. They are influential but no more than some other diaspora. Nowhere near the neocon cabal in Washington.

    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone. It awfully looks like they decided to ignore realities on the ground and keep pushing their agenda regardless. Creating own reality as Bush said. I see definite danger that they indeed might mess things p again on Syria. It is always easy to destroy than build. I frankly feel it is odd that Syria with Russia and possibly China and others backing is not consistently demanding immediate withdrawal of American forces and calling it what it is unmasked aggression and invasion of souvereighn state.

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    It awfully looks like they decided to ignore realities on the ground and keep pushing their agenda regardless.
     
    Aha.

    Or....they took realities on the ground into account and then keep pushing their agenda.


    I see definite danger that they indeed might mess things p again on Syria.
     
    Again?
    When did they stop messing things up?
    Haven't things been messed up in Syria since 2011?

    Interesting, of sort.

    And good. Very good actually.

    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone.
     
    I will defer to Colonel Lang here, whose qualifications on this matter are much greater than mine, and I quote him: "Tillerson plan is dead in the water." Kurds are learning this right now the hard way. By far more interesting than Washington's fantasies, is a reaction in Russia on this whole thing and it is sort of very encouraging. This is yet another strategic fork for Russia, a good one.
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  96. peterAUS says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone. It awfully looks like they decided to ignore realities on the ground and keep pushing their agenda regardless. Creating own reality as Bush said. I see definite danger that they indeed might mess things p again on Syria. It is always easy to destroy than build. I frankly feel it is odd that Syria with Russia and possibly China and others backing is not consistently demanding immediate withdrawal of American forces and calling it what it is unmasked aggression and invasion of souvereighn state.

    It awfully looks like they decided to ignore realities on the ground and keep pushing their agenda regardless.

    Aha.

    Or….they took realities on the ground into account and then keep pushing their agenda.

    I see definite danger that they indeed might mess things p again on Syria.

    Again?
    When did they stop messing things up?
    Haven’t things been messed up in Syria since 2011?

    Interesting, of sort.

    And good. Very good actually.

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  97. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Yes my child I hear you. But countries that have nukes do also have a group think that does allow them to act haphazardly.

    But countries that have nukes do also have a group think that does allow them to act haphazardly

    I don’t doubt that Israel would act haphazardly. And I have noticed that Jews share such cultural traits as over emotionalism, hysteria, loud braying and so forth found in certain other groups.

    What really interest me is what the US would do if our satellites detected the Israelis opening a silo door to launch a nuke. And not only the US, Russia monitors the worlds nuke sites from their satellites too.

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    I like your style.
    But nothing. Doors have to be open at least once a year. Testing has to be done, rack and pinion drives have to be re-lubricated. If the doors are pivoting with hydraulic cylinders, those also have to have a yearly test and maintenance.
    Naturally if two or more doors openings would be in progress that would be trouble. But what we are talking here about is measured is seconds. Nobody could do anything, I do have to presume that even if the missiles would be shut down most probably the nuclear explosions would happen.
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  98. Dmitry says:
    @peterAUS
    Good comment.

    Re

    with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel’s side
     
    wouldn't know about that.

    The next Israel-Hezbollah round doesn't necessarily need to be as the last one.
    Could be more successful for Israel. All depends have they been implementing "the lessons learnt" from the previous clash.

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword "properly".
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.

    Hezbollah is a serious outfit. Will demand a serious effort.

    We'll see.

    The airforce will hit them harder in the next war, as it upgraded how many bombs each plane can carry (Hezbollah will also a lot fire more rockets/missiles than last time). But there is no ‘victory’ in this scenario. Just rebuilding deterrence, to maintain quiet for a number more years. (Even just a few dozen rockets shut down the economy, so the longer the deterrence and quiet lasts, the better.) Exactly the same situation with Hamas in Gaza, except that Hezbollah can and will fire a lot more missiles in the initial volleys compared to Hamas, so the whole economy will shut down in this period (at least as far South as Tel Aviv area this time round).

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    Agree.

    Well...I was actually thinking about destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon.
    Incursion.

    Air force wouldn't be enough, or that type of deployment as last time.That was the problem.

    It would, effectively, be a state of Israel going into full war with Hezbollah. Anything less than that would not work.

    Now...is that possible is the question. Does Israel has the will to pull that of?
    Stomach for casualties first and foremost.
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  99. This is American way. I consider it is a serious threat hence the question. On the other hand it is 2018, not 1992 or 2003 and America is not exactly what it used to be. It has neither time nor resources. The question is when the bottom drops off not if.

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    Agree with all except:

    It has neither time nor resources.
     
    I believe it has both.

    Especially because the most of dying won't be done by Americans. Some advisers, SF guys, some mercenaries and that's it.
    The rest...."locals".
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  100. I am sure this has been stated or just assumed. But, I doubt that Russia wants to be baited into a war with the US.

    The more important point is that the US should not be supporting the violation of Syrian air space, unprovoked as this seems to be.

    By taking out Israeli aircraft, the debate would rage in the US — about why and how we should respond. Strategically, Russia and Syria may by withholding their fire depending on the actual damage and location of these attacks as they employ other means to avoid a foolish international pitch battle – as others have suggested.

    Furthermore I doubt Pres Trump wants to have to engage in a domestic political forray, given his initial intentions were to get out of Syria.

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  101. @Sergey Krieger
    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone. It awfully looks like they decided to ignore realities on the ground and keep pushing their agenda regardless. Creating own reality as Bush said. I see definite danger that they indeed might mess things p again on Syria. It is always easy to destroy than build. I frankly feel it is odd that Syria with Russia and possibly China and others backing is not consistently demanding immediate withdrawal of American forces and calling it what it is unmasked aggression and invasion of souvereighn state.

    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone.

    I will defer to Colonel Lang here, whose qualifications on this matter are much greater than mine, and I quote him: “Tillerson plan is dead in the water.” Kurds are learning this right now the hard way. By far more interesting than Washington’s fantasies, is a reaction in Russia on this whole thing and it is sort of very encouraging. This is yet another strategic fork for Russia, a good one.

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    I see. Operation olive branch by Turks. Turkey is NATO member and allergic towards anything Kurdish.
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  102. Art says:

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month.

    That is the key point to the article from a war/no war perspective – from a win/lose perspective. If Israel does not attack Hezbollah within a year – then Syria and Hezbollah can rearm enough to defeat Israel. Russia has small antiaircraft batteries that can harass the ADF. They can be dispersed and are movable. A lot of them could make a difference.

    Today the Jews are giddy over Trump-Javanka giving them Jerusalem. But they are also giving them more enemies – Turkey, Pakistan, the UN, all the Arab and Muslim middle class, and 90% of humanity.

    Perhaps Israel has already accepted defeat in another Hezbollah war. They are waiting on Trump/Javanka to get the US ensnared in a major war with Iran/Hezbollah over Syria – a war they do not have to fight along.

    I think that it is 50/50 – war/no war with the Trump/Israel/Saudi Axis.

    Think Peace — Art

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    I think that it is 50/50 – war/no war with the Trump/Israel/Saudi Axis.

    Think Peace — Art
     

    Bro I like you too much, not only as a person but your philosophy too. We have agreed that in the next printing of Bible, we will leave out the obsolete teachings of god 1.0.

    As far as war is concerned, I think the chances are 100%, the resistance axis will also include Saudi Arabia along with Iran.


    Hassan Nasrallah: First, at the point where things are, we all care not to be led to an escalation in a particular place, unless one has no choice. In Syria, Israel strikes some things. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail, they do not succeed every time. This is are details I will not evoke. But they have not succeeded nor will they succeed in preventing – Israel knows it, I do not reveal a secret here – the capacity, the means and the preparation of the Resistance in Lebanon to increase. This is something we need to endure until further notice, I’m not saying we will tolerate (these attacks) indefinitely. (We patient) until further notice, in the interest of the general strategic objective (ISIS defeat and preparation for the great war against Israel). And that’s what I called the rules of engagement.

    Journalist: Very good. You warned me that you will not enter into details, but let me ask a question. The Israeli strikes positions, warehouses or factories of Hezbollah’s weapons or missiles did not prevent weapons from reaching Hezbollah? This is what you mean?

    Hassan Nasrallah: They have not prevented it and will not prevent it. And they know it very well. I do not tell you a secret here, even if it is perhaps the first time that I say it to the media. But the Israelis themselves know it.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d9zph

     

    Think Peace - Paul!

    P.S. Bro I like you too much that I have stolen your motto, "Think Peace — ...". If you object to it, I will stop using it from now on.

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  103. anon • Disclaimer says:

    ME is one of many theaters . These theaters are dynamic and influence each other . The egg on face experience in Korean peninsula leaves US with the real picture the world has not accused the US out of fear openly until now. It is a war machine robot and needs outside adult supervision . The supervision will be provided by the realities developing in Syria Ukraine Korea, Yemen and African horn. American people will have to decide whether they will like to live normally or in fear channeled by the neocons.

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  104. peterAUS says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    This is American way. I consider it is a serious threat hence the question. On the other hand it is 2018, not 1992 or 2003 and America is not exactly what it used to be. It has neither time nor resources. The question is when the bottom drops off not if.

    Agree with all except:

    It has neither time nor resources.

    I believe it has both.

    Especially because the most of dying won’t be done by Americans. Some advisers, SF guys, some mercenaries and that’s it.
    The rest….”locals”.

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  105. peterAUS says:
    @Dmitry
    The airforce will hit them harder in the next war, as it upgraded how many bombs each plane can carry (Hezbollah will also a lot fire more rockets/missiles than last time). But there is no 'victory' in this scenario. Just rebuilding deterrence, to maintain quiet for a number more years. (Even just a few dozen rockets shut down the economy, so the longer the deterrence and quiet lasts, the better.) Exactly the same situation with Hamas in Gaza, except that Hezbollah can and will fire a lot more missiles in the initial volleys compared to Hamas, so the whole economy will shut down in this period (at least as far South as Tel Aviv area this time round).

    Agree.

    Well…I was actually thinking about destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon.
    Incursion.

    Air force wouldn’t be enough, or that type of deployment as last time.That was the problem.

    It would, effectively, be a state of Israel going into full war with Hezbollah. Anything less than that would not work.

    Now…is that possible is the question. Does Israel has the will to pull that of?
    Stomach for casualties first and foremost.

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    Agree.

    Well…I was actually thinking about destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon.
    Incursion.

    Air force wouldn’t be enough, or that type of deployment as last time.That was the problem.

    It would, effectively, be a state of Israel going into full war with Hezbollah. Anything less than that would not work.

    Now…is that possible is the question. Does Israel has the will to pull that of?
    Stomach for casualties first and foremost.
     

    They will just do a small ground incursion, to push back rocket launchers (or - if these exist - tunnel openings). The main thing will be a much heavier bombardment than last time - the airforce was saying they will drop ten times more explosives than last time round (this seems an arbitrary number). But they'll likely be able to do a lot heavier bombings, as they have much larger target-bank than last time (not having a large target bank prepared was one of the main failings in 2006) and they have upgraded to munitions like small diameter bombs - which allows each plane to strike a lot more effectively than before.

    However, Hezbollah will also fire a lot more rockets/missiles into Israel, than last time, which will mean the whole conflict will be condensed, and the heavier bombardments will happen on both sides (from Israel to Hezbollah, and from Hezbollah to Israel).

    The success of the end result will be measurable for Israel in how many years it can buy quiet in the North, relative to losses i.e. in terms of deterrence. The idea of destroying the group as a whole - this is very unlikely with guerilla forces. (How many years has Farc lasted in Colombia - and noting that unlike Farc, Hezbollah is based in religion and is a proxy of an 80 million person nation state [Iran]).

    If this sounds somewhat negative, remember that any kind of quiet for Israel is a success - the economy is growing all the time, and the residents can enjoy a normal life in the North in the interluding years (and even nowadays after recent rounds of war with Hamas in Gaza, in Gaza border areas).

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  106. Frankie P says:
    @Dmitry
    Israel air-strikes are only doing two things:

    1. Hitting missile shipments and Hezbollah conveys from Iran/Syria to Hezbollah (which will soon be used against Israel itself). Syria is the transport route for Hezbollah re-armament.

    2. Hitting small things each time a mortar goes into Israeli territory. This is the same tactic used in Gaza, where Israel hits a usually low-priority target (often empty warehouse) after there will be a rocket or mortar landing in Israel (even when the actual source of fire from Gaza is Iran's groups like Islamic Jihad in Gaza). The key here is to disincentivize other side from spilling over, without creating escalation (so the first strike back is usually very mild to avoid escalation).

    -

    As for the rest of silly speculations and so on. By itself, Assad is no problem in Syria from Israel's perspective (preferable in fact than a total dissolution of the country, which is what has occurred). The problem are Hezbollah/Iran setting up in Syria. and Syria acting as transport hub for Hezbollah re-armament. The more and more Assad is becoming more and more an agent of Iran/Hezbollah, the more this is exacerbated.

    Russia in Syria is a mixed position or mixed blessing. On the negative side, it is de facto propping up Iran/Syria's positions in Syria. On the positive side, Russian forces in Syria by themselves are a positive thing, as they keep order and also restrain the other actors. They also result in an Assad that is a little less (other things equal) beholden to Iran/Hezbollah.

    If Russia would totally take over Syria, this would be great, as it would be a moderating factor from Israel's perspective However, Russia will never do this. Even worse, Russia is unlikely to have much long-term commitment in Syria, beyond one airbase and the port. What does have a long-term commitment in Syria is Iran/Hezbollah, and this is where the entire problem is for Israel.

    Overall there is very messy and complicated situation in Syria from the start, with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel's side. The policy which is chosen is 'risk-averse' option, that is to combine 'wait-and-see' approach, with a 'harm-reduction' approach ('harm-reduction approached centred on airstrikes hitting Hezbollah missile and weapon re-armament conveys whenever they become available to intelligence, which seems around monthly).

    The Russian cover over Khmeimim and Tartus provides Assad/Iran/Hezzbollah a terrific opportunity to produce missiles in the area, protected by the S-400 systems deterring ANY hostile aircraft even approaching the area. I wonder if Russia turns a blind eye to this kind of production, or even facilitates it. Perhaps they are not even aware of it. This could become a very useful source of more missiles for Hezzbollah, missiles that would NOT need to transverse the risky ride on the highways along the Shia Crescent from Iran.

    Frankie P

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  107. @renfro

    But countries that have nukes do also have a group think that does allow them to act haphazardly
     
    I don't doubt that Israel would act haphazardly. And I have noticed that Jews share such cultural traits as over emotionalism, hysteria, loud braying and so forth found in certain other groups.

    What really interest me is what the US would do if our satellites detected the Israelis opening a silo door to launch a nuke. And not only the US, Russia monitors the worlds nuke sites from their satellites too.

    I like your style.
    But nothing. Doors have to be open at least once a year. Testing has to be done, rack and pinion drives have to be re-lubricated. If the doors are pivoting with hydraulic cylinders, those also have to have a yearly test and maintenance.
    Naturally if two or more doors openings would be in progress that would be trouble. But what we are talking here about is measured is seconds. Nobody could do anything, I do have to presume that even if the missiles would be shut down most probably the nuclear explosions would happen.

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  108. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei, what are your thoughts on recent statement made by Tillerson that American forces are going to stay in Syria until Assad gone.
     
    I will defer to Colonel Lang here, whose qualifications on this matter are much greater than mine, and I quote him: "Tillerson plan is dead in the water." Kurds are learning this right now the hard way. By far more interesting than Washington's fantasies, is a reaction in Russia on this whole thing and it is sort of very encouraging. This is yet another strategic fork for Russia, a good one.

    I see. Operation olive branch by Turks. Turkey is NATO member and allergic towards anything Kurdish.

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  109. (continued from comment #90)

    Meanwhile, with Israel’s strategic position regarding Hezbollah remaining virtually unchanged from what it was in 2006, and with the US bogged down in Syria like they are in Afghanistan, Putin really needs to do nothing since he has both where he wants them. As long as Assad remains in power (with Russia’s backing) the land route from Iran through Iraq and Syria and into Lebanon will remain open due to the vast majority of Syrian territory being under Syrian control. If US forces successfully block one arms shipment route (which in my opinion is the purpose behind them being there) the arms smugglers will simply shift to different routes. As to Putin resisting Israel’s air attacks, he needs to do nothing as long as Israel limits it’s air attacks to arms shipments (which is the current case) while inflicting little overall damage, the air strikes. However, if Israel starts directly attacking Syria’s air force (which they are not at present) expect Russia to put a stop to it by moving anti-missile, anti-aircraft assets into appropriate positions to do so.

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  110. Dmitry says:
    @peterAUS
    Agree.

    Well...I was actually thinking about destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon.
    Incursion.

    Air force wouldn't be enough, or that type of deployment as last time.That was the problem.

    It would, effectively, be a state of Israel going into full war with Hezbollah. Anything less than that would not work.

    Now...is that possible is the question. Does Israel has the will to pull that of?
    Stomach for casualties first and foremost.

    Agree.

    Well…I was actually thinking about destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon.
    Incursion.

    Air force wouldn’t be enough, or that type of deployment as last time.That was the problem.

    It would, effectively, be a state of Israel going into full war with Hezbollah. Anything less than that would not work.

    Now…is that possible is the question. Does Israel has the will to pull that of?
    Stomach for casualties first and foremost.

    They will just do a small ground incursion, to push back rocket launchers (or – if these exist – tunnel openings). The main thing will be a much heavier bombardment than last time – the airforce was saying they will drop ten times more explosives than last time round (this seems an arbitrary number). But they’ll likely be able to do a lot heavier bombings, as they have much larger target-bank than last time (not having a large target bank prepared was one of the main failings in 2006) and they have upgraded to munitions like small diameter bombs – which allows each plane to strike a lot more effectively than before.

    However, Hezbollah will also fire a lot more rockets/missiles into Israel, than last time, which will mean the whole conflict will be condensed, and the heavier bombardments will happen on both sides (from Israel to Hezbollah, and from Hezbollah to Israel).

    The success of the end result will be measurable for Israel in how many years it can buy quiet in the North, relative to losses i.e. in terms of deterrence. The idea of destroying the group as a whole – this is very unlikely with guerilla forces. (How many years has Farc lasted in Colombia – and noting that unlike Farc, Hezbollah is based in religion and is a proxy of an 80 million person nation state [Iran]).

    If this sounds somewhat negative, remember that any kind of quiet for Israel is a success – the economy is growing all the time, and the residents can enjoy a normal life in the North in the interluding years (and even nowadays after recent rounds of war with Hamas in Gaza, in Gaza border areas).

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    Well....if Israel does air campaign only with "a small ground incursion, to push back rocket launchers (or – if these exist – tunnel openings)." I agree with:

    The success of the end result will be measurable for Israel in how many years it can buy quiet in the North, relative to losses i.e. in terms of deterrence
     
    And, yes, it would be impossible to destroy Hezbollah there in the current regional environment.

    My angle, I suppose, was..is...that more Israel gets into the Lebanon the harder it will hit Hezbollah. And, well, of course, vice versa.

    So, boils down to how big future deterrent Israel wants related to effort/loses.

    More of deterrent, more effort/loses.

    So, that itself boils down to how big is, actually that "small ground incursion".

    What a place. All of it there.
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  111. Don’t forget that Israel has one or two nuclear-armed Dolphins at sea at any one time and these wield first-strike capability against the Russian Federation.

    Interaction between nuclear powers is, or should be, governed by the proven MAD doctrine and we should therefore not anticipate the Syrian fracas to be allowed to descend into casus belli.

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    {.....and these wield first-strike capability against the Russian Federation.}

    Are you serious?

    Any Israeli nuke strike on Russia will be the end of Israel.
    On the other hand, Russia is so vast that it can take several nuke strikes, survive, and recover.
    But just one Russian Sarmat* ICBM is sufficient to erase Israel from the face of the Earth.

    I know Israeli leaders are psychopaths, but they are not stupid.
    I doubt very much they intend to subject Israel to a suicide.

    Israel cannot threaten another nuclear power with its nukes, because it knows what comes next.
    Same with US: US is _very_ careful when dealing with adversaries who have nukes, even though US (and Russia) have about 10X the number of nuke warheads than others.

    _________________________
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    [Russia's New ICBM Could "Wipe Out Texas"]
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/
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  112. peterAUS says:
    @Dmitry

    Agree.

    Well…I was actually thinking about destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon.
    Incursion.

    Air force wouldn’t be enough, or that type of deployment as last time.That was the problem.

    It would, effectively, be a state of Israel going into full war with Hezbollah. Anything less than that would not work.

    Now…is that possible is the question. Does Israel has the will to pull that of?
    Stomach for casualties first and foremost.
     

    They will just do a small ground incursion, to push back rocket launchers (or - if these exist - tunnel openings). The main thing will be a much heavier bombardment than last time - the airforce was saying they will drop ten times more explosives than last time round (this seems an arbitrary number). But they'll likely be able to do a lot heavier bombings, as they have much larger target-bank than last time (not having a large target bank prepared was one of the main failings in 2006) and they have upgraded to munitions like small diameter bombs - which allows each plane to strike a lot more effectively than before.

    However, Hezbollah will also fire a lot more rockets/missiles into Israel, than last time, which will mean the whole conflict will be condensed, and the heavier bombardments will happen on both sides (from Israel to Hezbollah, and from Hezbollah to Israel).

    The success of the end result will be measurable for Israel in how many years it can buy quiet in the North, relative to losses i.e. in terms of deterrence. The idea of destroying the group as a whole - this is very unlikely with guerilla forces. (How many years has Farc lasted in Colombia - and noting that unlike Farc, Hezbollah is based in religion and is a proxy of an 80 million person nation state [Iran]).

    If this sounds somewhat negative, remember that any kind of quiet for Israel is a success - the economy is growing all the time, and the residents can enjoy a normal life in the North in the interluding years (and even nowadays after recent rounds of war with Hamas in Gaza, in Gaza border areas).

    Well….if Israel does air campaign only with “a small ground incursion, to push back rocket launchers (or – if these exist – tunnel openings).” I agree with:

    The success of the end result will be measurable for Israel in how many years it can buy quiet in the North, relative to losses i.e. in terms of deterrence

    And, yes, it would be impossible to destroy Hezbollah there in the current regional environment.

    My angle, I suppose, was..is…that more Israel gets into the Lebanon the harder it will hit Hezbollah. And, well, of course, vice versa.

    So, boils down to how big future deterrent Israel wants related to effort/loses.

    More of deterrent, more effort/loses.

    So, that itself boils down to how big is, actually that “small ground incursion”.

    What a place. All of it there.

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    They'll do a short ground maneuver about 20 kilometers North of the border, but it will only be a small incursion. They won't try to occupy much ground.

    You can see them discussing how they want to maneuver in a 'short' way here:
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/strong-and-short-maneuver-goal

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    The main thing in the next war though will be a far larger aerial bombardment than happened last time (where it was relatively moderate), which is possible with the much larger target-bank and the introduction of small diameter munitions. (Before 2006, they only had a very bad target-bank developed).

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-force-chief-lauds-400-firepower-increase-in-2-years/


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    The end result of the next war will still only be deterrence though. They won't be able to 'destroy' Hezbollah in any way. They will only be able to deter them (ideally) for a number of years more quiet. It's just 'trimming the grass', and of course it will also be very costly to Israel (like every war is), as Hezbollah have very large missile firing abilities, which has continued to grow each year.

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  113. K. A. says:

    “Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. ”

    [...]

    “So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.”

    “Russia should become the real leader of the new process. (It has already become it but not yet aware of the fact.) The West and Israel need a strategic alliance with the Muslim world more than anything else, and this alliance is possible only through Russia. Only Russia in an alliance with the Muslim world can keep China in check without conflicts, helping it find its new place in the world as another super-power.” :

    #14
    Novaya Gazeta
    No. 75
    October 2001
    THE THIRD FORCE OF WORLD WAR III
    Author: Viktor Minin
    [from WPS Monitoring Agency, http://www.wps.ru/e_index.html

    [MORE]

    “THE WESTERN SCRIPT

    Using techniques of manipulating public opinion, the West is trying to establish the illusion of a global forces with the fascist- like ideology of Wahhabi fundamentalism. As far as the West is concerned, Wahhabi and Islam are the same thing. It is because of this that the essential terrorism of Wahhabi ideas is being formulated so simply for public consumption: all Muslims are terrorists by nature.

    The preliminary objective of brainwashing (Islam is the basis of terrorism) is thus achieved. Therefore, the terrorist world of Islam should be maneuvered into fighting Russia. Russia and the Muslim world will destroy each other, and the West will gain access to the natural resources on their territories. The dollar pyramid will straighten once again, and the economic crisis will be over. Life goes on.

    Apart from the need to shock the international community with atrocities of Islamic terrorists, this script requires the presence of some country fundamental for this particular global force. It should answer the following requirements: a large Muslim population, government based on military dictatorship (which allows prompt replacement of the leader); borders with Russia, China, and India; nuclear arsenals; and a well-trained army with combat experience. Pakistan is an ideal fit, and Afghanistan is just a capsule.

    Continuation of the script after the terrorist attacks in the United States: retaliatory strikes at Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, and so on, depending on the situation. A dramatic rise in anti-American sentiments throughout the Muslim world as a result. A coup in Pakistan, leading to the rise of a radical Wahhabi leader there. Unification of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Russia will inevitably find itself dragged into some war or other, and declare general mobilization. Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, and some other ethnic republics will refuse to go to war under those circumstances. The rest of the population of Russia will also object. All this may result in a drastic destabilization in Russia, and a loss of control. Things may even reach extremes, ending in a military coup or disintegration of the Russian Federation.

    However, some details indicate that this particular script has bogged down. The world is different now. In the past, it was sufficient to torch the Reichstag or assassinate a prince; but now, even the horrors of September 11 no longer suffice.

    That is why some sort of “fuel” is needed to give the script momentum – terrorist attacks on the scale of September 11, but not in America alone. Over there, in Europe, and in Russia as well. Anthrax is just a prelude. Controllable terrorism, however, has its own limits. Russia knows, for example, that “Chechen terrorists” will no longer suffice. After all, linking them to Islam is fairly difficult.

    But even that is not the key point. Certain indirect aspects indicate that the script considered here is not the only one. Most probably, it is not even the whole script, just part of an even larger one. In accordance with the latter, Russia and the Muslim world fighting each other are not the only objectives. The West and Israel are too. It follows that some unknown Contractor and Player must be present somewhere. This script becomes possible when we assume that some Western elites and secret services made a kind of covert pact with this still-unknown Player.

    [...]

    THE CHINESE SCRIPT

    A few words about China as a super-power. Population in excess of 1.2 billion, economy larger than that of the United States, a professional army numbering almost 4 million men, gold and hard currency reserves enough to repel any American attack and virtually turn all of Southeast Asia into its own currency zone. An ample volume of dollars is a defense and a financial weapon to be used against the dollar itself. Throw a great deal of dollars into the market all at once, and the dollar will crash. A conflict with Taiwan may follow. It will be a conflict waged with American money, with American weapons, investment, and high technology. Add the nuclear factor here. Suffice it to recall the recent scandal when Chinese intelligence obtained all major nuclear secrets of the United States. Birth rates in China are no longer being kept down; defense spending has been increased. China is buying up armaments and military hardware.

    China has thoroughly studied the Western technique of getting out of crises via controllable armed conflicts and wars. It has written its own script for squeezing the United States off the world stage. The Western script becomes an episode in a larger game.

    [...]

    The global conclusion is simple. This is the first time strategic interests of the West, Russia, Israel, and the Muslim world coincide. We can only survive together.

    Under the unfolding script, all of us are victims. China has already won, strategically and tactically.

    The test is plain – we will sink or swim together. The new global Chinese order will follow the rules the Americans drew up for themselves. What counts is that the “golden billion” of the world’s population alone will prosper; the remaining 4 billion are expendable. Unlike the United States, to say nothing of the Russians or Jews, China has this billion already. All of us are expendable in this wicked colonial system of distribution of resources.”

    http://www.russialist.org/archives/5497-14.php

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  114. renfro says:
    @utu
    Great topic. The most important question: What is the dynamic on the Moscow Tel Aviv line? What kind of game is being played between Putin and Netanyahu? Who really calls the shots?

    No answers can be found without accepting the following: There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu. So, why did Netanyahu decide to play the Russian card? Against whom did he play it?

    Syria was supposed to be done with and Libyanized already in summer 2013. It did not happen because Obama did not show a sufficient resolve to do it. He did not do it because he hated Netanyahu and would not succumb to any pressure from him. That's why he went with Lavrov solution to remove chemical weapons from Syria. To give the US another opportunity to impose the no-fly zone the Project ISIS was rolled out in winter 2014 with intense media coverage of gory pictures of staged executions. Everybody was outraged yet Obama did not take the hint. Yes, a coalition was established but only to bomb ISIS and no direct action against Assad was undertaken and no no-fly zone was imposed. Another opportunity was missed or rather sabotaged by Obama. Finally in 2015 the refugee wave was orchestrated to give the final push for the no-fly zone that also would give a motive to Europeans to support it. To heighten the tension in Europe Orban started talking about building the fence and in June 2015 Trump started talking about the invasion of refugees and building the wall. Meanwhile in Kremlin the idea to assert itself against the Empire was discussed and the intervention in Syria was considered. However no sane person in Kremlin would undertake it without assurances and guarantees from Israel that Israel would stay on the sidelines. And to their great surprise Netanyahu provided this assurance. Even more, most likely he egged Russia on. The question is why. Obviously Netanyahu did not want to save Assad regime. He wanted Syria to be Libyanized. This was the original plan. Furthermore he wanted to sabotage the nuclear deal with Iran. A no-fly zone over Syria that was full of Iranian troops would certainly accomplish it. So the only possibility is that with the threat of Russia's intervention Netanayahu hoped that some Zionist adult in Washington would wake up and deicide on the final solution to the problem of Syria if only to preempt Russia's intervention. He, as we know, miscalculated. Obama stuck to his guns and decided to remain passive on Syria, to save the nuclear deal with Iran and to have a satisfaction of seeing Netanyahu tripping over his own legs. In September 2015 Merkel struck a blow to Netanyahu shenanigans by deciding to diffuse the refugee tension by opening the borders. This gave extra time to Putin to build up Russian force in Syria. Everybody on the side of Empire including Netanyahu and Obama hoped that Russia would fail because of Russia's reputed incompetence. As we now know it did not happen. Quite the opposite, Russia demonstrated that it is able to project its force and can be considered as a reliable ally. However things changed in Washington. Netanyahu has now a direct line to WH where again Iran and Hezbollah are considered as the greatest enemies of the Empire. The promises that Netanyahu made to Putin in 2015 are no longer valid or at least Netanyahu would like to take them back.

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????…wtf

    I can only guess this statement is what happens when one reads mainly Israeli claims instead of looking at what actually happens re Russia and Israel.

    Netanyahu went to Putin when Russia stepped into Syria not visa versa. Netanyahu whined that he didn’t want Iran forces in Syria–Putin said whatever but stay away from Russia’s activities against ISIS and Syrian rebels…..and that was that.

    As for who runs who ….go check on the UN resolutions concerning the Ukraine that Putin told Israel to vote against ….and Israel obeyed.
    Contrast that with Russia voting against Israel in the UN resolution to cite Hezbollah as a terrorist group.
    And Russia voting against Israel in the UN resolution to condemn Israel settlements last year.

    Israel is trying to snuggle into a little menage a trois…..with Israel being pleasured by the US and pleasuring Russia.

    So far what has happened in Syria re Russia?
    Well, Russia has positioned itself as a leader of internal reconciliation efforts in Syria (and its future) so Israel is going to want to stay on Russia’s good side.

    So back to why Israel is still blowing up thing in Syria:

    “Israeli intelligence Chief, Major General Herzi Halevy, said that the last three months have been the most difficult for ISIS since its inception.
    In a speech delivered at “Herzliya” conference yesterday , Halevy explicitly said “Israel” does not want the situation in Syria to end with the defeat of ISIS “, the Israeli NRG site reported.
    “Withdrawal of the super powers from the region and leaving Israel alone in front of Hezbollah and Iran that possess good abilities Will make “Israel” in a hard position” . Therefore, we’ve to do all we can so as not finding ourselves in such situation”, the Israeli chief intelligence added.”

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/

    They gotta keep something going ….throwing more shit against the wall, bombing out houses and whatever….since they and the Saudis have lost every fucking thing else they have tried….Syria, Yemen …with Iran and Hezbollah still standing.

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    Putin can say Netanyahu this any time when Netanyahu gets onoxious:
    "I am going to blow up Birobidzan: (Putin's secret weapon)
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  115. Avery says:
    @bliss_porsena
    Don't forget that Israel has one or two nuclear-armed Dolphins at sea at any one time and these wield first-strike capability against the Russian Federation.

    Interaction between nuclear powers is, or should be, governed by the proven MAD doctrine and we should therefore not anticipate the Syrian fracas to be allowed to descend into casus belli.

    {…..and these wield first-strike capability against the Russian Federation.}

    Are you serious?

    Any Israeli nuke strike on Russia will be the end of Israel.
    On the other hand, Russia is so vast that it can take several nuke strikes, survive, and recover.
    But just one Russian Sarmat* ICBM is sufficient to erase Israel from the face of the Earth.

    I know Israeli leaders are psychopaths, but they are not stupid.
    I doubt very much they intend to subject Israel to a suicide.

    Israel cannot threaten another nuclear power with its nukes, because it knows what comes next.
    Same with US: US is _very_ careful when dealing with adversaries who have nukes, even though US (and Russia) have about 10X the number of nuke warheads than others.

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    [Russia's New ICBM Could "Wipe Out Texas"]

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/

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    During the Viet Nam war, both USSR and US had nukes, of course.
    Lots of them.
    So both were very careful to keep it at the level of conventional weapons.
    US was bombing the hell out of North Vietnam, and SU was supplying missiles and experts to shoot down USAF aircraft.

    I read an article a while back, that in frustration of being unable to defeat NVA and Viet Kong, US considered nuking North Vietnam, but cooler heads prevailed by arguing that SU might also use nukes and then things will spin out of control.....

    If US had had monopoly nuke power during the Viet Nam war, is there any doubt that Hanoi would have been nuked, and North Vietnam would have been brought to heel like WW2 Japan?
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  116. Avery says:
    @Avery
    {.....and these wield first-strike capability against the Russian Federation.}

    Are you serious?

    Any Israeli nuke strike on Russia will be the end of Israel.
    On the other hand, Russia is so vast that it can take several nuke strikes, survive, and recover.
    But just one Russian Sarmat* ICBM is sufficient to erase Israel from the face of the Earth.

    I know Israeli leaders are psychopaths, but they are not stupid.
    I doubt very much they intend to subject Israel to a suicide.

    Israel cannot threaten another nuclear power with its nukes, because it knows what comes next.
    Same with US: US is _very_ careful when dealing with adversaries who have nukes, even though US (and Russia) have about 10X the number of nuke warheads than others.

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    [Russia's New ICBM Could "Wipe Out Texas"]
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/

    During the Viet Nam war, both USSR and US had nukes, of course.
    Lots of them.
    So both were very careful to keep it at the level of conventional weapons.
    US was bombing the hell out of North Vietnam, and SU was supplying missiles and experts to shoot down USAF aircraft.

    I read an article a while back, that in frustration of being unable to defeat NVA and Viet Kong, US considered nuking North Vietnam, but cooler heads prevailed by arguing that SU might also use nukes and then things will spin out of control…..

    If US had had monopoly nuke power during the Viet Nam war, is there any doubt that Hanoi would have been nuked, and North Vietnam would have been brought to heel like WW2 Japan?

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  117. renfro says:
    @anarchyst
    American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law.
    Let's not forget the 40 or so congresscritters and the thousands of "policy wonks" who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel.
    If I had my way, every last one would be subject to immediate deportation with permanent loss of United States of America citizenship. Those who refuse would be charged, tried and convicted of treason with appropriate punishment carried out.

    Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid

    Yes I know.

    Not having a dual citizenship however doesn’t deter traitors…..lose of the ‘dual’ rights just prevent them from running to the other country to escape US law and punishment. ….and in the case of Israel it would likely take a US Jew traitor in anyway.

    90% of congress is treasonous imo…..hell, these days half of elected and or appointed officials weren’t even born in the US.

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  118. KA says:

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  119. @renfro

    There would have been no Russian intervention in Syria if there was no tacit approval by Netanyahu
     
    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????...wtf

    I can only guess this statement is what happens when one reads mainly Israeli claims instead of looking at what actually happens re Russia and Israel.

    Netanyahu went to Putin when Russia stepped into Syria not visa versa. Netanyahu whined that he didn't want Iran forces in Syria--Putin said whatever but stay away from Russia's activities against ISIS and Syrian rebels.....and that was that.

    As for who runs who ....go check on the UN resolutions concerning the Ukraine that Putin told Israel to vote against ....and Israel obeyed.
    Contrast that with Russia voting against Israel in the UN resolution to cite Hezbollah as a terrorist group.
    And Russia voting against Israel in the UN resolution to condemn Israel settlements last year.

    Israel is trying to snuggle into a little menage a trois.....with Israel being pleasured by the US and pleasuring Russia.

    So far what has happened in Syria re Russia?
    Well, Russia has positioned itself as a leader of internal reconciliation efforts in Syria (and its future) so Israel is going to want to stay on Russia's good side.

    So back to why Israel is still blowing up thing in Syria:

    "Israeli intelligence Chief, Major General Herzi Halevy, said that the last three months have been the most difficult for ISIS since its inception.
    In a speech delivered at “Herzliya” conference yesterday , Halevy explicitly said “Israel” does not want the situation in Syria to end with the defeat of ISIS “, the Israeli NRG site reported.
    “Withdrawal of the super powers from the region and leaving Israel alone in front of Hezbollah and Iran that possess good abilities Will make “Israel” in a hard position” . Therefore, we’ve to do all we can so as not finding ourselves in such situation”, the Israeli chief intelligence added."

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/

    They gotta keep something going ....throwing more shit against the wall, bombing out houses and whatever....since they and the Saudis have lost every fucking thing else they have tried....Syria, Yemen ...with Iran and Hezbollah still standing.

    Putin can say Netanyahu this any time when Netanyahu gets onoxious:
    “I am going to blow up Birobidzan: (Putin’s secret weapon)

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    I had to look it up..

    Birobidzhan Stalin's Forgotten Zion - Swarthmore College
    www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/biro/
    In 1934 the Soviet Government established the Jewish Autonomous Region, popularly known as Birobidzhan, in a sparsely populated area some five thousand miles east of Moscow. Designated as the national homeland of Soviet Jewry, Birobidzhan was part of the Kremlin's effort to create an alternative to Palestine

    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn't heard of this one.
    , @yurivku
    FYI - there are no jews in this place. It appeared be too far or too cold for them.
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  120. Dmitry says:
    @peterAUS
    Well....if Israel does air campaign only with "a small ground incursion, to push back rocket launchers (or – if these exist – tunnel openings)." I agree with:

    The success of the end result will be measurable for Israel in how many years it can buy quiet in the North, relative to losses i.e. in terms of deterrence
     
    And, yes, it would be impossible to destroy Hezbollah there in the current regional environment.

    My angle, I suppose, was..is...that more Israel gets into the Lebanon the harder it will hit Hezbollah. And, well, of course, vice versa.

    So, boils down to how big future deterrent Israel wants related to effort/loses.

    More of deterrent, more effort/loses.

    So, that itself boils down to how big is, actually that "small ground incursion".

    What a place. All of it there.

    They’ll do a short ground maneuver about 20 kilometers North of the border, but it will only be a small incursion. They won’t try to occupy much ground.

    You can see them discussing how they want to maneuver in a ‘short’ way here:

    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/strong-and-short-maneuver-goal

    The main thing in the next war though will be a far larger aerial bombardment than happened last time (where it was relatively moderate), which is possible with the much larger target-bank and the introduction of small diameter munitions. (Before 2006, they only had a very bad target-bank developed).

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-force-chief-lauds-400-firepower-increase-in-2-years/

    The end result of the next war will still only be deterrence though. They won’t be able to ‘destroy’ Hezbollah in any way. They will only be able to deter them (ideally) for a number of years more quiet. It’s just ‘trimming the grass’, and of course it will also be very costly to Israel (like every war is), as Hezbollah have very large missile firing abilities, which has continued to grow each year.

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    Well…reading those two articles (links you posted) give a certain impression.
    Wrong impression I feel.

    First, it’s not current, one is from 2012 and another from 2014.
    I haven’t been paying much attention to IDF and such; just assume that they’ve been doing something to address the shortcomings from the last round.

    Now, reading those two links, well…one gets an impression that IDF could very well repeat that mistake.

    You sure you aren’t posting here to send a wrong message? Like disinfo and such? Joking…..sort of.

    Secondly, the articles are from Army and Air Force, not IDF as whole.
    Feels, as the last time, perfect for making a mistake, namely Army sees the operation this and Air Force as that.

    A more fundamental error one can’t conceive. Like last time.

    Army:


    ....is prepared to make "a strong and overwhelming maneuver into the heart of the enemy's layouts"
    A strong and overwhelming maneuver into the heart of the enemy's layouts will neutralize the missile threat to the homefront,"
     

    we have to prepare a maneuver capable of overcoming obstacles that penetrate into the depth of their layout well beyond the first envelope
     
    And this in particular:

    "We're building brigades, divisions, artillery formations, and other forces that can penetrate the enemy's defense and win the battle. Our goal is to have strong divisions that can perform a major maneuver (whether an infantry or mechanized/armored maneuver) with very powerful fire support.
     
    Key expression “strong divisions”. Whoah…..
    There is more.

    Infantry-armor combat teams need quality infantry that can perform armored assignments, penetrate the enemy's depth, and carry out missions on short notice.
     

    In order to increase infantry effectiveness, we've added surveillance devices and many other layouts.
     
    Keyword “infantry
    Makes sense taking into account the last round.

    Air Force:


    The IAF’s emphasis on precise munitions and timely intelligence, often acquired from space-based systems, are part of a larger shift in the IDF toward firepower rather than boots or treads on the ground.
     
    Exactly the same mistake they did the last time.
    Plus, obvious difference with Army approach.

    Funny…… coming from a first world military. Sort of.
    That stuff is learnt in basic officer course, let alone understood absolutely in General Staffs.

    You sure you’ve posted right links?

    , @Carroll Price
    Ya'll keep on hallucinating on ways Israel can defeat Hezbollah, but it just ain't gonna ever happen. Israelites are good at only one thing, and that's shooting unarmed Palestinian women and children in the back. That's it, they're chicken shit. A sufficient amount of money is not in existence to lure Israel into re-invading Lebanon.
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  121. and of course it will also be very costly to Israel (like every war is), as Hezbollah have very large missile firing abilities, which has continued to grow each year.

    If the rockets start to rain down on Tel Aviv in the thousands, Israel has little appetite for a large number of casualties. I doubt if they will embark on such a misadventure against Hezbollah by design, but they may get pulled into it my some less than sane leaders.

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  122. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Putin can say Netanyahu this any time when Netanyahu gets onoxious:
    "I am going to blow up Birobidzan: (Putin's secret weapon)

    I had to look it up..

    Birobidzhan Stalin’s Forgotten Zion – Swarthmore College
    http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/biro/
    In 1934 the Soviet Government established the Jewish Autonomous Region, popularly known as Birobidzhan, in a sparsely populated area some five thousand miles east of Moscow. Designated as the national homeland of Soviet Jewry, Birobidzhan was part of the Kremlin’s effort to create an alternative to Palestine

    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn’t heard of this one.

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    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn’t heard of this one.
     
    A land without people for a people without land. They should have taken that one instead of stealing from and making enemies of the arabs.
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  123. renfro says:

    The US congress has lost what little fricking sense it had.
    They have now gone beyond sanctioning ‘ countries’ and are now sanctioning ‘individuals’ based on who they might associate with, support or just know that the US doesn’t like.
    This is like Saudi Clown Prince bin Salam arresting and shaking down the other Princes for money under the guise of anti corruption.
    Some countries could start sanctioning American individuals and freezing or seizing their property and assets. A good start would be seizing anything with the Trump name on it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/us-sanctions-bill-timebomb-donald-trump-vladimir-putin

    A new congressional bill….. called The Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions bill. Deep inside it, section 241 is the closest thing to a bombshell for Putin’s pyramidal power structure.

    Indeed, it stipulates that by February 2018, the US administration must submit a detailed report to Congress containing “the identification of the most significant oligarchs” in Russia, their relationship to Putin, evidence of any corruption, estimated net worth and sources of income. Anyone fitting the criteria could be subjected to personal sanctions, such as asset freezes and travel bans.
    Not only would Russia’s wealthiest come under unprecedented American scrutiny but the same would happen to their family members, and anyone doing business with them in the west.

    As such, the scope of the bill goes much further than anything undertaken to date against members of Putin’s entourage. As sanctions go, and depending on the bill’s implementation, this has the potential to destabilise the regime, not just create unpleasantness for a few Putin insiders”

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    As such, the scope of the bill goes much further than anything undertaken to date against members of Putin’s entourage. As sanctions go, and depending on the bill’s implementation, this has the potential to destabilise the regime, not just create unpleasantness for a few Putin insiders”
     
    LOL. Wet dreams, really. They never learn.
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  124. @renfro
    I had to look it up..

    Birobidzhan Stalin's Forgotten Zion - Swarthmore College
    www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/biro/
    In 1934 the Soviet Government established the Jewish Autonomous Region, popularly known as Birobidzhan, in a sparsely populated area some five thousand miles east of Moscow. Designated as the national homeland of Soviet Jewry, Birobidzhan was part of the Kremlin's effort to create an alternative to Palestine

    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn't heard of this one.

    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn’t heard of this one.

    A land without people for a people without land. They should have taken that one instead of stealing from and making enemies of the arabs.

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    It's been proven time and again, Jews can't live without Gentiles to prey on.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Jews wanted Georgia and they demanded it through Stalin's wife.(She was Jewess)
    Georgia was Stalin's birthplace. Stalin's wife was so persisting until Stalin got so pissed of that he killed her. So Jews did not get Georgia but they got Biribidzan.
    Stalin's daughter Svetlana Stalin emigrated to the west, and she wrote a book about the affair.
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  125. peterAUS says:
    @Dmitry
    They'll do a short ground maneuver about 20 kilometers North of the border, but it will only be a small incursion. They won't try to occupy much ground.

    You can see them discussing how they want to maneuver in a 'short' way here:
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/strong-and-short-maneuver-goal

    ---

    The main thing in the next war though will be a far larger aerial bombardment than happened last time (where it was relatively moderate), which is possible with the much larger target-bank and the introduction of small diameter munitions. (Before 2006, they only had a very bad target-bank developed).

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-force-chief-lauds-400-firepower-increase-in-2-years/


    ---

    The end result of the next war will still only be deterrence though. They won't be able to 'destroy' Hezbollah in any way. They will only be able to deter them (ideally) for a number of years more quiet. It's just 'trimming the grass', and of course it will also be very costly to Israel (like every war is), as Hezbollah have very large missile firing abilities, which has continued to grow each year.

    Well…reading those two articles (links you posted) give a certain impression.
    Wrong impression I feel.

    First, it’s not current, one is from 2012 and another from 2014.
    I haven’t been paying much attention to IDF and such; just assume that they’ve been doing something to address the shortcomings from the last round.

    Now, reading those two links, well…one gets an impression that IDF could very well repeat that mistake.

    You sure you aren’t posting here to send a wrong message? Like disinfo and such? Joking…..sort of.

    Secondly, the articles are from Army and Air Force, not IDF as whole.
    Feels, as the last time, perfect for making a mistake, namely Army sees the operation this and Air Force as that.

    A more fundamental error one can’t conceive. Like last time.

    Army:

    ….is prepared to make “a strong and overwhelming maneuver into the heart of the enemy’s layouts”
    A strong and overwhelming maneuver into the heart of the enemy’s layouts will neutralize the missile threat to the homefront,”

    we have to prepare a maneuver capable of overcoming obstacles that penetrate into the depth of their layout well beyond the first envelope

    And this in particular:

    “We’re building brigades, divisions, artillery formations, and other forces that can penetrate the enemy’s defense and win the battle. Our goal is to have strong divisions that can perform a major maneuver (whether an infantry or mechanized/armored maneuver) with very powerful fire support.

    Key expression “strong divisions”. Whoah…..
    There is more.

    Infantry-armor combat teams need quality infantry that can perform armored assignments, penetrate the enemy’s depth, and carry out missions on short notice.

    In order to increase infantry effectiveness, we’ve added surveillance devices and many other layouts.

    Keyword “infantry
    Makes sense taking into account the last round.

    Air Force:

    The IAF’s emphasis on precise munitions and timely intelligence, often acquired from space-based systems, are part of a larger shift in the IDF toward firepower rather than boots or treads on the ground.

    Exactly the same mistake they did the last time.
    Plus, obvious difference with Army approach.

    Funny…… coming from a first world military. Sort of.
    That stuff is learnt in basic officer course, let alone understood absolutely in General Staffs.

    You sure you’ve posted right links?

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    Yes it's not very complicated.

    Air-force will bomb targets on their target bank (which is 20 times larger than in the last war - where initially it was only 200 or so targets).

    At the same time, ground forces will make a maneuver (thin incursion) to cut off supplies to South.

    Hezbollah will still continue firing rockets/missiles. However well it goes, Hezbollah will still be firing at the end of the war (Hezbollah will have the last shots).

    But the bombardment and devastation on their side will be far larger than in the last round (it will also be larger than last time in Israel, but Israel can take far more punishment than Lebanon - bear in mind the last war lasted a month, and the Israeli economy still bounced back and grew 4% in 2006).

    -

    The end result will be to rebuild deterrence for a number more years - nothing more, and nothing less. Again, Hezbollah will still fire the last shots (as Hamas did in 2014), but this will be symbolic for them.

    Hezbollah's strategy will rely on their larger and more accurate missile arsenal. (The talk about them occupying ground in Israel - is a suicide mission, due to the differences in firepower that are deployed close to the border).

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  126. Hubbard says:
    @Art

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month.
     
    That is the key point to the article from a war/no war perspective – from a win/lose perspective. If Israel does not attack Hezbollah within a year – then Syria and Hezbollah can rearm enough to defeat Israel. Russia has small antiaircraft batteries that can harass the ADF. They can be dispersed and are movable. A lot of them could make a difference.

    Today the Jews are giddy over Trump-Javanka giving them Jerusalem. But they are also giving them more enemies – Turkey, Pakistan, the UN, all the Arab and Muslim middle class, and 90% of humanity.

    Perhaps Israel has already accepted defeat in another Hezbollah war. They are waiting on Trump/Javanka to get the US ensnared in a major war with Iran/Hezbollah over Syria – a war they do not have to fight along.

    I think that it is 50/50 - war/no war with the Trump/Israel/Saudi Axis.

    Think Peace --- Art

    I think that it is 50/50 – war/no war with the Trump/Israel/Saudi Axis.

    Think Peace — Art

    Bro I like you too much, not only as a person but your philosophy too. We have agreed that in the next printing of Bible, we will leave out the obsolete teachings of god 1.0.

    As far as war is concerned, I think the chances are 100%, the resistance axis will also include Saudi Arabia along with Iran.

    Hassan Nasrallah: First, at the point where things are, we all care not to be led to an escalation in a particular place, unless one has no choice. In Syria, Israel strikes some things. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail, they do not succeed every time. This is are details I will not evoke. But they have not succeeded nor will they succeed in preventing – Israel knows it, I do not reveal a secret here – the capacity, the means and the preparation of the Resistance in Lebanon to increase. This is something we need to endure until further notice, I’m not saying we will tolerate (these attacks) indefinitely. (We patient) until further notice, in the interest of the general strategic objective (ISIS defeat and preparation for the great war against Israel). And that’s what I called the rules of engagement.

    Journalist: Very good. You warned me that you will not enter into details, but let me ask a question. The Israeli strikes positions, warehouses or factories of Hezbollah’s weapons or missiles did not prevent weapons from reaching Hezbollah? This is what you mean?

    Hassan Nasrallah: They have not prevented it and will not prevent it. And they know it very well. I do not tell you a secret here, even if it is perhaps the first time that I say it to the media. But the Israelis themselves know it.

    Think Peace – Paul!

    P.S. Bro I like you too much that I have stolen your motto, “Think Peace — …”. If you object to it, I will stop using it from now on.

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    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d9zph

    Think Peace - Paul!
    , @Art
    that I have stolen your motto, “Think Peace

    Paul --- thanks for your kind words and thoughts.

    No problem on "Think Peace."

    I truly believe that the only path to peace - is to ask for it - to demand it - to work for it.

    Good is not the absence of bad - good only comes about through constructive actions. Peace and stability is built one idealistic action at a time.

    Once again - thanks!

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. In Israel, they are burning the midnight oil, thinking up a false flag that will entrap Trump into a war in Syria.
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  127. Hubbard says:
    @Hubbard

    I think that it is 50/50 – war/no war with the Trump/Israel/Saudi Axis.

    Think Peace — Art
     

    Bro I like you too much, not only as a person but your philosophy too. We have agreed that in the next printing of Bible, we will leave out the obsolete teachings of god 1.0.

    As far as war is concerned, I think the chances are 100%, the resistance axis will also include Saudi Arabia along with Iran.


    Hassan Nasrallah: First, at the point where things are, we all care not to be led to an escalation in a particular place, unless one has no choice. In Syria, Israel strikes some things. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail, they do not succeed every time. This is are details I will not evoke. But they have not succeeded nor will they succeed in preventing – Israel knows it, I do not reveal a secret here – the capacity, the means and the preparation of the Resistance in Lebanon to increase. This is something we need to endure until further notice, I’m not saying we will tolerate (these attacks) indefinitely. (We patient) until further notice, in the interest of the general strategic objective (ISIS defeat and preparation for the great war against Israel). And that’s what I called the rules of engagement.

    Journalist: Very good. You warned me that you will not enter into details, but let me ask a question. The Israeli strikes positions, warehouses or factories of Hezbollah’s weapons or missiles did not prevent weapons from reaching Hezbollah? This is what you mean?

    Hassan Nasrallah: They have not prevented it and will not prevent it. And they know it very well. I do not tell you a secret here, even if it is perhaps the first time that I say it to the media. But the Israelis themselves know it.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d9zph

     

    Think Peace - Paul!

    P.S. Bro I like you too much that I have stolen your motto, "Think Peace — ...". If you object to it, I will stop using it from now on.

    Think Peace – Paul!

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  128. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Is it because Israel reportedly has well over 200 nukes all “pointed at Iran,”
     
    Sorry I cant view the Saker as 'a source for information"

    Its plain he gives ' opinions.'.....well that is fine, but even there I find it hard to credit his opinions because he is doesn't do his research.

    If I had a dollar for every time I seen some writer refer to Israel having 2oo nukes I'd be rich.

    The 200 Israeli nukes crap came from a quote by Collin Powell saying ..'Israel has 200 nukes pointed at Iran and the US had 1000 pointed at Iran' ..when he was pontificating about how Iran wouldnt dare attack Israel or the US.
    The pundit writer's world has been quoting that Powell 200 fiction now for 16 years....because they never heard of fact checking either.

    Israel has 80 nukes. That is the number the Federation of Atomic Scientist , who track all nukes, nuclear material, production, shipments of materials and transfers says...as well as the Arms Control and every other monitor and intel group ALL agree on.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat
    https://fas.org/issues/nuclear-weapons/status-world-nuclear-forces/

    Please God sent us some writer thinkers who aren't so sloppy. When I see this kind of sloppiness I don't even care what else he has to say cause it might be built on the same lack of accuracy.

    I think Mordechai Vanunu was the original whistleblower with the 200 nukes claim. That was a long time ago, so it’s reasonable to assume it’s increased substantially.

    And how does one track nuclear material anyway? Didn’t it disappear from Oak Ridge on the watch of a Jewish supervisor?

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  129. @renfro
    The US congress has lost what little fricking sense it had.
    They have now gone beyond sanctioning ' countries' and are now sanctioning 'individuals' based on who they might associate with, support or just know that the US doesn't like.
    This is like Saudi Clown Prince bin Salam arresting and shaking down the other Princes for money under the guise of anti corruption.
    Some countries could start sanctioning American individuals and freezing or seizing their property and assets. A good start would be seizing anything with the Trump name on it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/us-sanctions-bill-timebomb-donald-trump-vladimir-putin

    A new congressional bill..... called The Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions bill. Deep inside it, section 241 is the closest thing to a bombshell for Putin’s pyramidal power structure.

    Indeed, it stipulates that by February 2018, the US administration must submit a detailed report to Congress containing “the identification of the most significant oligarchs” in Russia, their relationship to Putin, evidence of any corruption, estimated net worth and sources of income. Anyone fitting the criteria could be subjected to personal sanctions, such as asset freezes and travel bans.
    Not only would Russia’s wealthiest come under unprecedented American scrutiny but the same would happen to their family members, and anyone doing business with them in the west.

    As such, the scope of the bill goes much further than anything undertaken to date against members of Putin’s entourage. As sanctions go, and depending on the bill’s implementation, this has the potential to destabilise the regime, not just create unpleasantness for a few Putin insiders''

    As such, the scope of the bill goes much further than anything undertaken to date against members of Putin’s entourage. As sanctions go, and depending on the bill’s implementation, this has the potential to destabilise the regime, not just create unpleasantness for a few Putin insiders”

    LOL. Wet dreams, really. They never learn.

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  130. yurivku says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Putin can say Netanyahu this any time when Netanyahu gets onoxious:
    "I am going to blow up Birobidzan: (Putin's secret weapon)

    FYI – there are no jews in this place. It appeared be too far or too cold for them.

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    That was a joke, and a good one. At least I think it was. I laughed joyfully;-))
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  131. Dmitry says:
    @peterAUS
    Well…reading those two articles (links you posted) give a certain impression.
    Wrong impression I feel.

    First, it’s not current, one is from 2012 and another from 2014.
    I haven’t been paying much attention to IDF and such; just assume that they’ve been doing something to address the shortcomings from the last round.

    Now, reading those two links, well…one gets an impression that IDF could very well repeat that mistake.

    You sure you aren’t posting here to send a wrong message? Like disinfo and such? Joking…..sort of.

    Secondly, the articles are from Army and Air Force, not IDF as whole.
    Feels, as the last time, perfect for making a mistake, namely Army sees the operation this and Air Force as that.

    A more fundamental error one can’t conceive. Like last time.

    Army:


    ....is prepared to make "a strong and overwhelming maneuver into the heart of the enemy's layouts"
    A strong and overwhelming maneuver into the heart of the enemy's layouts will neutralize the missile threat to the homefront,"
     

    we have to prepare a maneuver capable of overcoming obstacles that penetrate into the depth of their layout well beyond the first envelope
     
    And this in particular:

    "We're building brigades, divisions, artillery formations, and other forces that can penetrate the enemy's defense and win the battle. Our goal is to have strong divisions that can perform a major maneuver (whether an infantry or mechanized/armored maneuver) with very powerful fire support.
     
    Key expression “strong divisions”. Whoah…..
    There is more.

    Infantry-armor combat teams need quality infantry that can perform armored assignments, penetrate the enemy's depth, and carry out missions on short notice.
     

    In order to increase infantry effectiveness, we've added surveillance devices and many other layouts.
     
    Keyword “infantry
    Makes sense taking into account the last round.

    Air Force:


    The IAF’s emphasis on precise munitions and timely intelligence, often acquired from space-based systems, are part of a larger shift in the IDF toward firepower rather than boots or treads on the ground.
     
    Exactly the same mistake they did the last time.
    Plus, obvious difference with Army approach.

    Funny…… coming from a first world military. Sort of.
    That stuff is learnt in basic officer course, let alone understood absolutely in General Staffs.

    You sure you’ve posted right links?

    Yes it’s not very complicated.

    Air-force will bomb targets on their target bank (which is 20 times larger than in the last war – where initially it was only 200 or so targets).

    At the same time, ground forces will make a maneuver (thin incursion) to cut off supplies to South.

    Hezbollah will still continue firing rockets/missiles. However well it goes, Hezbollah will still be firing at the end of the war (Hezbollah will have the last shots).

    But the bombardment and devastation on their side will be far larger than in the last round (it will also be larger than last time in Israel, but Israel can take far more punishment than Lebanon – bear in mind the last war lasted a month, and the Israeli economy still bounced back and grew 4% in 2006).

    -

    The end result will be to rebuild deterrence for a number more years – nothing more, and nothing less. Again, Hezbollah will still fire the last shots (as Hamas did in 2014), but this will be symbolic for them.

    Hezbollah’s strategy will rely on their larger and more accurate missile arsenal. (The talk about them occupying ground in Israel – is a suicide mission, due to the differences in firepower that are deployed close to the border).

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    I get that.

    It's........wrong.

    I guess you are, no offense really, an "interested hobbyist", not having military related education.
    That's the reason you lack, again quote normal, fundamentals in this game.
    Strategy, unity of command and control, commander's intent, main effort, etc...etc....
    FOCUS, etc.

    Fundamentals mean coherent strategy on a state level.
    It also means that all element of the state work together, using a common approach, along the same line. Something like that; this isn't the place to post/learn that topic.

    I'll try to simplify.
    Feels, AGAIN, that Air Force is doing its own thing and Army is doing its own thing. Not only feels but it's obvious. And its wrong and is not good...for Israeli side that is.

    I actually believe that Israel will do it right should it happen and not as those two link state.

    As this:
    Organize a theater command with Army General in command. Army drives the effort.The rest support the Army.
    Commander intent: temporary occupy certain areas of Lebanon and destroy Hezbollah infrastructure there.
    Execution: combined arms battle groups incursion is the main effort. That Air Force bombing campaign is secondary to the main effort. It simply, in effect, supports the main effort. Plus, Air Force shall provide tactical air support to attacking battle groups (the very essence of "combined" arms).

    Focus...focus again.
    Or, in simple terms: Air Force best planes, ordnance and pilots will be supporting the push; the REST will do area bombing. More importantly even, intelligence community shall focus on providing data for the forces doing incursion, not on forces doing the bombing of the area. Etc.
    Proper paper describing all that would take 100 pages at least.

    I mean, this is basic stuff. So basic that any IDF Army captain reading this is smirking at my words here.

    I can just guarantee you one thing: if...if...IDF does that the way you described it, we'll see the failure again.
    And I just don't think Israelis are that incompetent.

    Having said that, it is possible. Countries change; organizations change.
    All these years of COIN could've affected their thinking.
    Got soft, rely on technology and not on grit to resolve the problem.
    Not having that will anymore, doing wishful thinking and disregarding fundamentals.
    Wouldn't be the first time somebody does that.

    One way to find out.
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  132. @yurivku
    FYI - there are no jews in this place. It appeared be too far or too cold for them.

    That was a joke, and a good one. At least I think it was. I laughed joyfully;-))

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    Well, i'm afraid not. But who knows ...
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  133. Saker wrote: “For one thing, there is a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Russia at which Putin has been chipping away over the years, but only in very small and incremental steps. The key for Putin is to do what needs to be done…”

    Re; Three questions, on the above quotations.

    1. How much independence remains within the Putin government after the pro-Israel lobby “has been chipping away over the years.”

    2. Does the wealthy Russian pro-Israel Lobby impact presidential accommodations to the “Atlanticist Integrationists”?

    3. Regarding Russian presidential elections, are powerful & popular candidates obligated to do a percentage of homage to pro-Israel foreign policy interests and goals?

    4. Henry Kissinger has despaired about Israel’s fate, & given it’s proclivity for recklessness & defiance of world opinion, Dr. K.’S predicted misfortune for the Jewish state is one of “only lasting twenty (20) years.” Is it possible that President Putin’s foreign policy conduct in Syria is actually appealing to “Wise Men” who direct Russia’s “powerful” pro-Israel Lobby?

    Thank you.

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    1. How much independence remains within the Putin government after the pro-Israel lobby “has been chipping away over the years.”
     
    Very independent but mindful of a shitload of dual citizens residing in Israel.

    2. Does the wealthy Russian pro-Israel Lobby impact presidential accommodations to the “Atlanticist Integrationists”?
     
    They try and no, not really.

    3. Regarding Russian presidential elections, are powerful & popular candidates obligated to do a percentage of homage to pro-Israel foreign policy interests and goals?
     
    Quite opposite may be true but then again, Russians are not engaged in this "Jewish" question bar some marginal "nationalist" community.

    In general, no parallels between the US and Russia in re: Jewish issue.
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  134. @ChuckOrloski
    Saker wrote: "For one thing, there is a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Russia at which Putin has been chipping away over the years, but only in very small and incremental steps. The key for Putin is to do what needs to be done..."

    Re; Three questions, on the above quotations.

    1. How much independence remains within the Putin government after the pro-Israel lobby "has been chipping away over the years."

    2. Does the wealthy Russian pro-Israel Lobby impact presidential accommodations to the "Atlanticist Integrationists"?

    3. Regarding Russian presidential elections, are powerful & popular candidates obligated to do a percentage of homage to pro-Israel foreign policy interests and goals?

    4. Henry Kissinger has despaired about Israel's fate, & given it's proclivity for recklessness & defiance of world opinion, Dr. K.'S predicted misfortune for the Jewish state is one of "only lasting twenty (20) years." Is it possible that President Putin's foreign policy conduct in Syria is actually appealing to "Wise Men" who direct Russia's "powerful" pro-Israel Lobby?

    Thank you.

    1. How much independence remains within the Putin government after the pro-Israel lobby “has been chipping away over the years.”

    Very independent but mindful of a shitload of dual citizens residing in Israel.

    2. Does the wealthy Russian pro-Israel Lobby impact presidential accommodations to the “Atlanticist Integrationists”?

    They try and no, not really.

    3. Regarding Russian presidential elections, are powerful & popular candidates obligated to do a percentage of homage to pro-Israel foreign policy interests and goals?

    Quite opposite may be true but then again, Russians are not engaged in this “Jewish” question bar some marginal “nationalist” community.

    In general, no parallels between the US and Russia in re: Jewish issue.

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  135. @Dmitry
    They'll do a short ground maneuver about 20 kilometers North of the border, but it will only be a small incursion. They won't try to occupy much ground.

    You can see them discussing how they want to maneuver in a 'short' way here:
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/strong-and-short-maneuver-goal

    ---

    The main thing in the next war though will be a far larger aerial bombardment than happened last time (where it was relatively moderate), which is possible with the much larger target-bank and the introduction of small diameter munitions. (Before 2006, they only had a very bad target-bank developed).

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-force-chief-lauds-400-firepower-increase-in-2-years/


    ---

    The end result of the next war will still only be deterrence though. They won't be able to 'destroy' Hezbollah in any way. They will only be able to deter them (ideally) for a number of years more quiet. It's just 'trimming the grass', and of course it will also be very costly to Israel (like every war is), as Hezbollah have very large missile firing abilities, which has continued to grow each year.

    Ya’ll keep on hallucinating on ways Israel can defeat Hezbollah, but it just ain’t gonna ever happen. Israelites are good at only one thing, and that’s shooting unarmed Palestinian women and children in the back. That’s it, they’re chicken shit. A sufficient amount of money is not in existence to lure Israel into re-invading Lebanon.

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  136. Andrei Martyanov kindly responded to my question and said: “In general, no parallels between the US and Russia in re: Jewish issue.”

    Hi Andrei,

    So respectfully speaking to both you and the Saker, I may rightly conclude that there is no centralized “powerful” pro-Israel Lobby at work in today’s Russia.

    Okay, Sir, natural thought process inclined me toward making a baseless comparison to AIPAC.

    So…, on implementation of foreign policy (especially in the Middle East), President Putin has no concerns with an inhibiting pro-Israel Lobby’s acquisition of Russian legislators who serve the republics. That correct except of course the influence wielded by of course billionaire Jewish-Russian (globalist) oligarchs?

    Knowing you have no claim for knowing Israeli political science… one more question, Sir, and I return to my day job

    Any idea on whether or not there’s considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.

    Thank you!

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    Any idea on whether or not there’s considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.
     
    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one--Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.
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  137. @Cloak And Dagger

    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn’t heard of this one.
     
    A land without people for a people without land. They should have taken that one instead of stealing from and making enemies of the arabs.

    It’s been proven time and again, Jews can’t live without Gentiles to prey on.

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  138. @ChuckOrloski
    Andrei Martyanov kindly responded to my question and said: "In general, no parallels between the US and Russia in re: Jewish issue."

    Hi Andrei,

    So respectfully speaking to both you and the Saker, I may rightly conclude that there is no centralized "powerful" pro-Israel Lobby at work in today's Russia.

    Okay, Sir, natural thought process inclined me toward making a baseless comparison to AIPAC.

    So..., on implementation of foreign policy (especially in the Middle East), President Putin has no concerns with an inhibiting pro-Israel Lobby's acquisition of Russian legislators who serve the republics. That correct except of course the influence wielded by of course billionaire Jewish-Russian (globalist) oligarchs?

    Knowing you have no claim for knowing Israeli political science... one more question, Sir, and I return to my day job

    Any idea on whether or not there's considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.

    Thank you!

    Any idea on whether or not there’s considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.

    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one–Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.

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    Andrei Martyanov reflected, said: "Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir."

    Hi Andrei,

    In Gulag Archipelago One, Solzhenitsyn discussed "The Law as a Man."

    Perhaps Russo-Israeli "comity" is for now incarnate in a man, Yakov Kedmi.

    Thank you very much for such valuable insights.

    Who knows? Maybe Israel Shamir might join in here.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Andrei,

    I will mask as Jewish Peter Falk (Columbo) and say, "Just one more thing."

    Given our brief exchange, I see a silent fracas (battle) involving present day Jewish Anglo-American oligarchs and that of Jewish-Russian oligarchs.

    Question.

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet's fate depends and stands near helpless?

    Thank you.
    , @Dmitry

    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one–Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.
     
    Nativ was dissolved years ago. Kedmi retired and has no power now - so he can hang out all day on talkshows if he wants.

    Israel tries to build relations a lot with Russia, India and China. This is extension of what is called in Israel the ‘Periphery Doctrine’.

    Israel has a bad relationship with the Arab world and Iran, so it tries to compensate with the outer-lying countries.

    This also wins votes in Israel, as everyone feels safer after some friendly words, even if the actual facts on the ground don't change. Voters want to hear this and that's why the politicians are always boasting about it. Actual successful is a bit uneven, as seen at the UN. But in economics things improve.

    Avigdor Lieberman (Foreign Minister and now Defense Minister) is often boasting to his voters that he is improving relationships with Russia (this is a vote-winner for him).
    http://www.avigdorliberman.info/strategy/sopredsedatel-komissii-po-ekonomicheskomu-sotrudnichestvu-izrail-rossiya/izrail-i-rossiya-na-puti-k-strategicheskomu-partnerstvu.html

    While Netanyahu is usually boasting more about improving relations with China and India (he's particularly seems a fan of India and talks about India every week).

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  139. peterAUS says:
    @Dmitry
    Yes it's not very complicated.

    Air-force will bomb targets on their target bank (which is 20 times larger than in the last war - where initially it was only 200 or so targets).

    At the same time, ground forces will make a maneuver (thin incursion) to cut off supplies to South.

    Hezbollah will still continue firing rockets/missiles. However well it goes, Hezbollah will still be firing at the end of the war (Hezbollah will have the last shots).

    But the bombardment and devastation on their side will be far larger than in the last round (it will also be larger than last time in Israel, but Israel can take far more punishment than Lebanon - bear in mind the last war lasted a month, and the Israeli economy still bounced back and grew 4% in 2006).

    -

    The end result will be to rebuild deterrence for a number more years - nothing more, and nothing less. Again, Hezbollah will still fire the last shots (as Hamas did in 2014), but this will be symbolic for them.

    Hezbollah's strategy will rely on their larger and more accurate missile arsenal. (The talk about them occupying ground in Israel - is a suicide mission, due to the differences in firepower that are deployed close to the border).

    I get that.

    It’s……..wrong.

    I guess you are, no offense really, an “interested hobbyist”, not having military related education.
    That’s the reason you lack, again quote normal, fundamentals in this game.
    Strategy, unity of command and control, commander’s intent, main effort, etc…etc….
    FOCUS, etc.

    Fundamentals mean coherent strategy on a state level.
    It also means that all element of the state work together, using a common approach, along the same line. Something like that; this isn’t the place to post/learn that topic.

    I’ll try to simplify.
    Feels, AGAIN, that Air Force is doing its own thing and Army is doing its own thing. Not only feels but it’s obvious. And its wrong and is not good…for Israeli side that is.

    I actually believe that Israel will do it right should it happen and not as those two link state.

    As this:
    Organize a theater command with Army General in command. Army drives the effort.The rest support the Army.
    Commander intent: temporary occupy certain areas of Lebanon and destroy Hezbollah infrastructure there.
    Execution: combined arms battle groups incursion is the main effort. That Air Force bombing campaign is secondary to the main effort. It simply, in effect, supports the main effort. Plus, Air Force shall provide tactical air support to attacking battle groups (the very essence of “combined” arms).

    Focus…focus again.
    Or, in simple terms: Air Force best planes, ordnance and pilots will be supporting the push; the REST will do area bombing. More importantly even, intelligence community shall focus on providing data for the forces doing incursion, not on forces doing the bombing of the area. Etc.
    Proper paper describing all that would take 100 pages at least.

    I mean, this is basic stuff. So basic that any IDF Army captain reading this is smirking at my words here.

    I can just guarantee you one thing: if…if…IDF does that the way you described it, we’ll see the failure again.
    And I just don’t think Israelis are that incompetent.

    Having said that, it is possible. Countries change; organizations change.
    All these years of COIN could’ve affected their thinking.
    Got soft, rely on technology and not on grit to resolve the problem.
    Not having that will anymore, doing wishful thinking and disregarding fundamentals.
    Wouldn’t be the first time somebody does that.

    One way to find out.

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  140. @Andrei Martyanov

    Any idea on whether or not there’s considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.
     
    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one--Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.

    Andrei Martyanov reflected, said: “Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.”

    Hi Andrei,

    In Gulag Archipelago One, Solzhenitsyn discussed “The Law as a Man.”

    Perhaps Russo-Israeli “comity” is for now incarnate in a man, Yakov Kedmi.

    Thank you very much for such valuable insights.

    Who knows? Maybe Israel Shamir might join in here.

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  141. yurivku says:
    @Andrei Martyanov
    That was a joke, and a good one. At least I think it was. I laughed joyfully;-))

    Well, i’m afraid not. But who knows …

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  142. @Andrei Martyanov

    Any idea on whether or not there’s considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.
     
    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one--Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.

    Hi Andrei,

    I will mask as Jewish Peter Falk (Columbo) and say, “Just one more thing.”

    Given our brief exchange, I see a silent fracas (battle) involving present day Jewish Anglo-American oligarchs and that of Jewish-Russian oligarchs.

    Question.

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?

    Thank you.

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    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?
     
    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel--it is not THAT important. But because of Israel's enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what's my next piece will be about--consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat--it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing--the end of Israeli's nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what's left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

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  143. @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Andrei,

    I will mask as Jewish Peter Falk (Columbo) and say, "Just one more thing."

    Given our brief exchange, I see a silent fracas (battle) involving present day Jewish Anglo-American oligarchs and that of Jewish-Russian oligarchs.

    Question.

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet's fate depends and stands near helpless?

    Thank you.

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?

    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel–it is not THAT important. But because of Israel’s enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what’s my next piece will be about–consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat–it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing–the end of Israeli’s nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what’s left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

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    Check Syrian economy before the war - it was the second poorest country in per capita terms in the Middle East after Yemen.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=25&pr.y=12&sy=2006&ey=2010&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=463&s=PPPGDP%2CNGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=


    Syria by itself is no threat (just a very poor country, without even working submarine), Assad didn't shoot a bullet over the Golan since the 1980s - since he was more worried about internal issues.

    Israel was trying to give the Golan back to Assad before (like it gave the Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Hamastan), if he would normalize relations and not be an extension or launching pad of Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-prepared-to-hand-back-golan-heights-to-syria-in-return-for-peace-say-reports-8209612.html


    The threat relating to Assad is Iran/Hezbollah - who are now stationing inside Syria and perhaps can described as 'ruling partners' of the country. In any future conflict in the North, the war will be with Hezbollah/Iranian forces inside Lebanon (and possibly inside Syria).

    , @ChuckOrloski
    Andrei said: "Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question: 1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement?"

    Hi Andrei,

    As recommended, & ever more so important than I to "take a look" at the east Mediterranean basin map, the ZUS military hawks and Think Tank duds are doing so and are likely implementing forms of preparedness and response as I write.

    Russia's either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel's nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival. Very regrettably, the owner-operators of the Samson Option likely refuse to be placed in such vulnerable position.

    Truth is that the bad "hombres" know what you & other good "hombres" know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.

    Thanks for the lively exchange, Andrei.

    P.S. January 1981, I stood at the U.N. patrolled border at Metullah. Subsequently first hand, I could gauge the distance between Damascus and Eliat.
    , @Kiza
    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story for the global rumour mill. I do not mind reading interesting stories, just like utu’s here, but I do not buy it. Simply because there are even better explanations for why the Russians are in Syria, but they would not make sellable stories.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Really interesting. I have never given thought to those S400 being used in this case as interceptors of Israeli missiles. Killing two birds with one stone. I just wonder are they that crazy to shot at Russia. Considering this situation I wonder if Israel might go for nuclear sub option?
    , @Aedib
    Do you have some info about the deployment date of S-500? AFAIK is behind schedule. On the other hand, considering you assertion about the control of the Artic sea line, may you provide some info about trend of the Russian SSN fleet? AFAIL, the SSBN fleet is rejuvenating with the steady addition of Boreys, but the SSN, fleet, necessary to control sea lines, is aging

    https://warisboring.com/a-grim-future-for-russias-nuclear-submarine-fleet/

    The slow pace of Yasen class production is the main responsible. The sooner this extremely expensive class is superseded by Husky class, the better.
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  144. Dmitry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?
     
    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel--it is not THAT important. But because of Israel's enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what's my next piece will be about--consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat--it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing--the end of Israeli's nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what's left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

    Check Syrian economy before the war – it was the second poorest country in per capita terms in the Middle East after Yemen.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=25&pr.y=12&sy=2006&ey=2010&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=463&s=PPPGDP%2CNGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

    Syria by itself is no threat (just a very poor country, without even working submarine), Assad didn’t shoot a bullet over the Golan since the 1980s – since he was more worried about internal issues.

    Israel was trying to give the Golan back to Assad before (like it gave the Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Hamastan), if he would normalize relations and not be an extension or launching pad of Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-prepared-to-hand-back-golan-heights-to-syria-in-return-for-peace-say-reports-8209612.html

    The threat relating to Assad is Iran/Hezbollah – who are now stationing inside Syria and perhaps can described as ‘ruling partners’ of the country. In any future conflict in the North, the war will be with Hezbollah/Iranian forces inside Lebanon (and possibly inside Syria).

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    One of the best propaganda machines that has ever been created in human history is of Israeli origin. It works like this " Israel offered the deal before, Israel agreed yesterday, Israel was ready for giving this ,that, and this and that day before yesterday and the day before and .." Israel lies It is lying scumbag shit of piece. Israel has been approached many times by Arab countries collectively and individually for comprehensive peace . It was always Israel who found "no partner for peace" despite having multitudes of them right below its nose.
    , @anon
    Israel retains its ability to control the Syrian ‘Islamist’ rebels.
    This is implied in a secret file recently leaked by a person(s)
    (in our translation from Hebrew):
    • Netanyahu asked Putin to facilitate Bashar Assad’s departure. “You can appoint his successor, and we shall not object , said the Israeli Prime Minister. “There is one condition – the successor must break with Iran».
    • Putin responded: we have no candidate for Bashar’s successor. Do you?
    • No, we don’t, replied Netanyahu, but we shall tell you our preference soon.
    Apparently, Israel can influence the rebels, inasmuch as it can bear on them to accept a successor
    And what are Israel’s intentions?
    • “Israel’s goal is the Somalisation of Syria, following the Somalisation of Iraq,” said Putin, and Netanyahu did not deny his interpretation.-- https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/30/israels-plan-for-syria/print/

    The year is 2012
    , @anon
    a google search and Netanhooooo is exposed


    US rejects Netanyahu's pledge to hold onto Golan forever | The Times ...
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-rejects-netanyahus-pledge-to-hold-on-to-golan-fore...

    The international community never accepted Israel's annexation, and Israeli leaders see in the turmoil in Syria a chance to convince the world to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan. In November, Netanyahu reportedly asked US President Barack Obama to recognize Israel's sovereignty over the area, given the civil ...
    U.S. responds to Netanyahu: Golan Heights are not part of Israel ...
    https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News

    Apr 18, 2016 - Netanyahu: It's time the world recognize Israeli sovereignty over Golan Heights ... Officials in the Prime Ministers Office say that Syrian President Assad demanded that one principle upon which the international talks will be based is that the Golan Heights be considered occupied territory that must be ...
    Golan Heights 'forever Israeli', PM Benjamin Netanyahu vows - BBC ...
    www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36067643

    Apr 17, 2016 - Israel annexed the region in 1981 but the move has not been internationally recognised. Syria demands its return. Mr Netanyahu said at the start of the cabinet meeting: "I chose to have this festive cabinet meeting on the Golan Heights to send a clear message: the Golan Heights will forever remain in Israeli ...
    Israel Will Never Give Golan Heights to Syria, Netanyahu Vows - The ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/.../world/.../israel-will-never-give-golan-heights-to-syria-net...

    Apr 17, 2016 - During a cabinet meeting held in the Israeli-controlled portion of the territory, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the world to recognize Israel's ... Zvi Hauser, Mr. Netanyahu's former cabinet secretary, called last year for an “American pledge” to ensure Israeli rule in the Golan Heights as partial ...
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  145. Dmitry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Any idea on whether or not there’s considerably potent pro-Russian (Putin) power at work in Tel Aviv, the Knesset, and perhaps the Likud party? I am wondering if Israel had breakaway Neoconservatives who preferred a Trump administration rather than ZUS Option B, a Hillary model.
     
    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one--Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.

    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one–Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.

    Nativ was dissolved years ago. Kedmi retired and has no power now – so he can hang out all day on talkshows if he wants.

    Israel tries to build relations a lot with Russia, India and China. This is extension of what is called in Israel the ‘Periphery Doctrine’.

    Israel has a bad relationship with the Arab world and Iran, so it tries to compensate with the outer-lying countries.

    This also wins votes in Israel, as everyone feels safer after some friendly words, even if the actual facts on the ground don’t change. Voters want to hear this and that’s why the politicians are always boasting about it. Actual successful is a bit uneven, as seen at the UN. But in economics things improve.

    Avigdor Lieberman (Foreign Minister and now Defense Minister) is often boasting to his voters that he is improving relationships with Russia (this is a vote-winner for him).

    http://www.avigdorliberman.info/strategy/sopredsedatel-komissii-po-ekonomicheskomu-sotrudnichestvu-izrail-rossiya/izrail-i-rossiya-na-puti-k-strategicheskomu-partnerstvu.html

    While Netanyahu is usually boasting more about improving relations with China and India (he’s particularly seems a fan of India and talks about India every week).

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    In 2007, Israel bombs a nuclear reactor in Syria.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

    There is no response from Assad - not symmetric, or even asymmetric.

    Assad has no interest in war with Israel - he has learnt this from his father. He will not do anything that would endanger his regime.

    However, for Iran, the story is different - as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

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  146. iffen says:
    @peterAUS
    Good comment.

    Re

    with all kinds of negative outcomes from Israel’s side
     
    wouldn't know about that.

    The next Israel-Hezbollah round doesn't necessarily need to be as the last one.
    Could be more successful for Israel. All depends have they been implementing "the lessons learnt" from the previous clash.

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword "properly".
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.

    Hezbollah is a serious outfit. Will demand a serious effort.

    We'll see.

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword “properly”.
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.

    WTF?

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    It is considered to be very impolite to interrupt Peter mid masturbation.
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  147. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    I mentioned already one such person and an influential one–Yakov Kedmi, former Chief of Nativ. He is a staunch supporter of active Russian-Israeli relations in general and of Putin in particular. Why, is a separate matter but obviously, Yakov acts not alone. This, plus some other signs of potential Russo-Israeli amity are the extent to which I have an idea. I think nobody better can answer this question than Israel Shamir.
     
    Nativ was dissolved years ago. Kedmi retired and has no power now - so he can hang out all day on talkshows if he wants.

    Israel tries to build relations a lot with Russia, India and China. This is extension of what is called in Israel the ‘Periphery Doctrine’.

    Israel has a bad relationship with the Arab world and Iran, so it tries to compensate with the outer-lying countries.

    This also wins votes in Israel, as everyone feels safer after some friendly words, even if the actual facts on the ground don't change. Voters want to hear this and that's why the politicians are always boasting about it. Actual successful is a bit uneven, as seen at the UN. But in economics things improve.

    Avigdor Lieberman (Foreign Minister and now Defense Minister) is often boasting to his voters that he is improving relationships with Russia (this is a vote-winner for him).
    http://www.avigdorliberman.info/strategy/sopredsedatel-komissii-po-ekonomicheskomu-sotrudnichestvu-izrail-rossiya/izrail-i-rossiya-na-puti-k-strategicheskomu-partnerstvu.html

    While Netanyahu is usually boasting more about improving relations with China and India (he's particularly seems a fan of India and talks about India every week).

    In 2007, Israel bombs a nuclear reactor in Syria.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

    There is no response from Assad – not symmetric, or even asymmetric.

    Assad has no interest in war with Israel – he has learnt this from his father. He will not do anything that would endanger his regime.

    However, for Iran, the story is different – as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

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    "The promotion of the bogus story of a nuclear reactor by Israel and key figures in the Bush administration was designed to provide the pretext for an attack on Assad. That, it was hoped, would bring an end to his presidency and drag into the fray the main target – Iran. The Syrian “nuclear reactor” was supposed to be a re-run of the WMD deception, used in 2003 to oust another enemy of the US and Israel’s – Saddam Hussein of Iraq.

    It is noteworthy that the fabricated evidence for a nuclear reactor occurred in 2007, a year after Israel’s failure to defeat Hizbullah in Lebanon. The 2006 Lebanon war was itself intended to spread to Syria and lead to Assad’s overthrow, as I explained in my book Israel and the Clash of Civilisations" Jonathan Cook in counterpunch.com

    , @iffen
    However, for Iran, the story is different – as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    Maybe this needs to change. Maybe this is a problem.
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  148. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    Check Syrian economy before the war - it was the second poorest country in per capita terms in the Middle East after Yemen.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=25&pr.y=12&sy=2006&ey=2010&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=463&s=PPPGDP%2CNGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=


    Syria by itself is no threat (just a very poor country, without even working submarine), Assad didn't shoot a bullet over the Golan since the 1980s - since he was more worried about internal issues.

    Israel was trying to give the Golan back to Assad before (like it gave the Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Hamastan), if he would normalize relations and not be an extension or launching pad of Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-prepared-to-hand-back-golan-heights-to-syria-in-return-for-peace-say-reports-8209612.html


    The threat relating to Assad is Iran/Hezbollah - who are now stationing inside Syria and perhaps can described as 'ruling partners' of the country. In any future conflict in the North, the war will be with Hezbollah/Iranian forces inside Lebanon (and possibly inside Syria).

    One of the best propaganda machines that has ever been created in human history is of Israeli origin. It works like this ” Israel offered the deal before, Israel agreed yesterday, Israel was ready for giving this ,that, and this and that day before yesterday and the day before and ..” Israel lies It is lying scumbag shit of piece. Israel has been approached many times by Arab countries collectively and individually for comprehensive peace . It was always Israel who found “no partner for peace” despite having multitudes of them right below its nose.

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  149. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    In 2007, Israel bombs a nuclear reactor in Syria.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

    There is no response from Assad - not symmetric, or even asymmetric.

    Assad has no interest in war with Israel - he has learnt this from his father. He will not do anything that would endanger his regime.

    However, for Iran, the story is different - as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    “The promotion of the bogus story of a nuclear reactor by Israel and key figures in the Bush administration was designed to provide the pretext for an attack on Assad. That, it was hoped, would bring an end to his presidency and drag into the fray the main target – Iran. The Syrian “nuclear reactor” was supposed to be a re-run of the WMD deception, used in 2003 to oust another enemy of the US and Israel’s – Saddam Hussein of Iraq.

    It is noteworthy that the fabricated evidence for a nuclear reactor occurred in 2007, a year after Israel’s failure to defeat Hizbullah in Lebanon. The 2006 Lebanon war was itself intended to spread to Syria and lead to Assad’s overthrow, as I explained in my book Israel and the Clash of Civilisations” Jonathan Cook in counterpunch.com

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  150. iffen says:
    @Dmitry
    In 2007, Israel bombs a nuclear reactor in Syria.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

    There is no response from Assad - not symmetric, or even asymmetric.

    Assad has no interest in war with Israel - he has learnt this from his father. He will not do anything that would endanger his regime.

    However, for Iran, the story is different - as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    However, for Iran, the story is different – as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    Maybe this needs to change. Maybe this is a problem.

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    However, for Iran, the story is different – as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    Maybe this needs to change. Maybe this is a problem.
     

    Yes they have the advantage in this.

    Iran has also a significant ballistic missile arsenal which can hit Israel directly from Iran.
    If Israel were to respond to an escalation in the Lebanon border area, with a strike on Iran - the result would be two missile firing fronts (Lebanon and Iran) at once - something like a nightmare scenario for Israel. So it is unlikely Israel would strike Iran in response to Hezbollah.

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  151. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    Check Syrian economy before the war - it was the second poorest country in per capita terms in the Middle East after Yemen.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=25&pr.y=12&sy=2006&ey=2010&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=463&s=PPPGDP%2CNGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=


    Syria by itself is no threat (just a very poor country, without even working submarine), Assad didn't shoot a bullet over the Golan since the 1980s - since he was more worried about internal issues.

    Israel was trying to give the Golan back to Assad before (like it gave the Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Hamastan), if he would normalize relations and not be an extension or launching pad of Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-prepared-to-hand-back-golan-heights-to-syria-in-return-for-peace-say-reports-8209612.html


    The threat relating to Assad is Iran/Hezbollah - who are now stationing inside Syria and perhaps can described as 'ruling partners' of the country. In any future conflict in the North, the war will be with Hezbollah/Iranian forces inside Lebanon (and possibly inside Syria).

    Israel retains its ability to control the Syrian ‘Islamist’ rebels.
    This is implied in a secret file recently leaked by a person(s)
    (in our translation from Hebrew):
    • Netanyahu asked Putin to facilitate Bashar Assad’s departure. “You can appoint his successor, and we shall not object , said the Israeli Prime Minister. “There is one condition – the successor must break with Iran».
    • Putin responded: we have no candidate for Bashar’s successor. Do you?
    • No, we don’t, replied Netanyahu, but we shall tell you our preference soon.
    Apparently, Israel can influence the rebels, inasmuch as it can bear on them to accept a successor
    And what are Israel’s intentions?
    • “Israel’s goal is the Somalisation of Syria, following the Somalisation of Iraq,” said Putin, and Netanyahu did not deny his interpretation.– https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/30/israels-plan-for-syria/print/

    The year is 2012

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  152. @Andrei Martyanov

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?
     
    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel--it is not THAT important. But because of Israel's enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what's my next piece will be about--consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat--it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing--the end of Israeli's nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what's left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

    Andrei said: “Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question: 1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement?”

    Hi Andrei,

    As recommended, & ever more so important than I to “take a look” at the east Mediterranean basin map, the ZUS military hawks and Think Tank duds are doing so and are likely implementing forms of preparedness and response as I write.

    Russia’s either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel’s nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival. Very regrettably, the owner-operators of the Samson Option likely refuse to be placed in such vulnerable position.

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.

    Thanks for the lively exchange, Andrei.

    P.S. January 1981, I stood at the U.N. patrolled border at Metullah. Subsequently first hand, I could gauge the distance between Damascus and Eliat.

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    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.
     
    Of course they do--this is not the issue. The issue is--can anything be done about it? I do sound as this Oracle lady from Matrix, don't I? LOL.

    Russia’s either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel’s nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival.
     
    Russia is in it first and foremost for herself. If there will be any additional benefit for all? Hey, why not. Nothing wrong with claiming a credit for an accidental favorable outcome.
    , @Hubbard

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.
     
    I would like to further the scenario from our side, the other side of the coin.

    Remember, Tammy once made the comment that the Russians were kicked out from Middle East (ME) after the war of 1973 by Evil Kissinger. All Arab countries including Iran, put everything into it. Remember, the Oil Embargo in 1973. After that the Saudi Arabia King was assassinated and then Shah was removed from power.

    The Arab had won the war and the existence of Israel was threatened. Nixon did nothing and in the end the Evil Kissinger had to pull the rabbit out of the hole for which was Watergate. Nixon was forced to airlift supplies and manpower to Israel by air, massive amounts, and the Egyptian Army was encircled. Basically, the Arabs with Iran lost. Nixon had to be punished.

    The conditions for peace for Arabs were to kick out the Russian, and buy their military equipment from USA. The equipment given to Israel were much, more superior, thus Arabs can no longer be a threat. Their manpower to be trained by USA. Egypt, Syria and Jordan to sign peace treaties with Israel.

    Israel reneged on Golan Heights, thus only Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaties with Israel, this basically broke the axis of resistance and Syria was left out in cold with no more military hardware.

    Things were going good, then 9/11 happened and USA realized who the real enemy was! Muslims took the blame for 9/11. Taliban and Saddam were removed and the Shia crescent was empowered tactically with the approval of Sunni. Things look chaotic as chaos were created everywhere, including Syria. Crimea was given to Russia and they were brought back to Middle East. Especially, their non-functioning base in Tartus was empowered. Today, Iran is at the doorsteps of Israel, if you catch my drift where I am going. 9/11 opened the eyes of our government, and we are no longer dumb asses as portrayed by Saker.

    So, cheer up good things are on the way. Yes, my favorite music is Rock and I listen to it very, very loud as this is how Rock is to be played at high volumes and hindsight is 20/20.

    Keep on marching Christian Solider.....

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  153. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    Check Syrian economy before the war - it was the second poorest country in per capita terms in the Middle East after Yemen.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=25&pr.y=12&sy=2006&ey=2010&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=463&s=PPPGDP%2CNGDPRPPPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=


    Syria by itself is no threat (just a very poor country, without even working submarine), Assad didn't shoot a bullet over the Golan since the 1980s - since he was more worried about internal issues.

    Israel was trying to give the Golan back to Assad before (like it gave the Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Hamastan), if he would normalize relations and not be an extension or launching pad of Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-prepared-to-hand-back-golan-heights-to-syria-in-return-for-peace-say-reports-8209612.html


    The threat relating to Assad is Iran/Hezbollah - who are now stationing inside Syria and perhaps can described as 'ruling partners' of the country. In any future conflict in the North, the war will be with Hezbollah/Iranian forces inside Lebanon (and possibly inside Syria).

    a google search and Netanhooooo is exposed

    US rejects Netanyahu’s pledge to hold onto Golan forever | The Times …

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-rejects-netanyahus-pledge-to-hold-on-to-golan-fore…

    The international community never accepted Israel’s annexation, and Israeli leaders see in the turmoil in Syria a chance to convince the world to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan. In November, Netanyahu reportedly asked US President Barack Obama to recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the area, given the civil …
    U.S. responds to Netanyahu: Golan Heights are not part of Israel …
    https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News

    Apr 18, 2016 – Netanyahu: It’s time the world recognize Israeli sovereignty over Golan Heights … Officials in the Prime Ministers Office say that Syrian President Assad demanded that one principle upon which the international talks will be based is that the Golan Heights be considered occupied territory that must be …
    Golan Heights ‘forever Israeli’, PM Benjamin Netanyahu vows – BBC …
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36067643

    Apr 17, 2016 – Israel annexed the region in 1981 but the move has not been internationally recognised. Syria demands its return. Mr Netanyahu said at the start of the cabinet meeting: “I chose to have this festive cabinet meeting on the Golan Heights to send a clear message: the Golan Heights will forever remain in Israeli …
    Israel Will Never Give Golan Heights to Syria, Netanyahu Vows – The …

    https://www.nytimes.com/…/world/…/israel-will-never-give-golan-heights-to-syria-net…

    Apr 17, 2016 – During a cabinet meeting held in the Israeli-controlled portion of the territory, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the world to recognize Israel’s … Zvi Hauser, Mr. Netanyahu’s former cabinet secretary, called last year for an “American pledge” to ensure Israeli rule in the Golan Heights as partial …

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    Peres announced new elections on February 11. On February 25-6, Hamas began its revenge bombing campaign, and Israel broke off the Wye third round on March 4. Peres lost, despite ordering April’s brutal Operation Grapes of Wrath against south Lebanon, which was “wildly popular among Jewish Israelis,” because the Arab voters abstained. Victor Bibi Netanyahu then proclaimed “three noes,” including no withdrawal from the Golan, “peace [not land] for peace,” and “negotiations without preconditions,” cancelling the June 4 promise, which had leaked into the press. Syria refused, and Netanyahu began further development in the Golan.
    Seale argued that Rabin’s August 1993 proposal to Asad “was a political deception, a ruse of war.” It was “tailored to engage Asad just enough to blunt his attack on Oslo,” where talks with the PLO were coming to fruition. Israeli commentator Tanya Reinhart argued that Rabin secured peace for Israel in occupied Lebanon: “Syria must restrain Hizballah to prove the seriousness of its intentions,” and did. In these views, Rabin used the US to manipulate Syria

    In September, 2005, Martin Indyk met in Damascus with Asad, who did not require “preconditions” (the June 4 line) for future talks, which Indyk called “a significant message to Israel.” Sharon replied that the Syrians were trying to “make life easier for themselves.” https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/03/17/those-israel-syria-peace-talks/

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  154. @iffen

    If done properly Israel can defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Keyword “properly”.
    And not just IDF but all of Israelis/Jews in diaspora. A big effort from all of them, not just bits and pieces of IDF only.
     
    WTF?

    It is considered to be very impolite to interrupt Peter mid masturbation.

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  155. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?
     
    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel--it is not THAT important. But because of Israel's enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what's my next piece will be about--consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat--it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing--the end of Israeli's nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what's left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story for the global rumour mill. I do not mind reading interesting stories, just like utu’s here, but I do not buy it. Simply because there are even better explanations for why the Russians are in Syria, but they would not make sellable stories.

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    The debate would start within the Jewish establishment that runs from Washington DC to Berlin/Frankfurt/ Paris/London circle with Tel Aviv as the center . The failures of Yinon plan will increase the pressure for the discussion The acrimonious fratricidal debates will inform the world what the Zionism was all about.

    Not a bad outcome of the effort of the Russian bolstering of Syria .
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?
     
    Where, when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested that:

    the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis(c)

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability "closes off" precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option's credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story
     
    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn't have had Cuban Missile Crisis.
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  156. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    a google search and Netanhooooo is exposed


    US rejects Netanyahu's pledge to hold onto Golan forever | The Times ...
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-rejects-netanyahus-pledge-to-hold-on-to-golan-fore...

    The international community never accepted Israel's annexation, and Israeli leaders see in the turmoil in Syria a chance to convince the world to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan. In November, Netanyahu reportedly asked US President Barack Obama to recognize Israel's sovereignty over the area, given the civil ...
    U.S. responds to Netanyahu: Golan Heights are not part of Israel ...
    https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News

    Apr 18, 2016 - Netanyahu: It's time the world recognize Israeli sovereignty over Golan Heights ... Officials in the Prime Ministers Office say that Syrian President Assad demanded that one principle upon which the international talks will be based is that the Golan Heights be considered occupied territory that must be ...
    Golan Heights 'forever Israeli', PM Benjamin Netanyahu vows - BBC ...
    www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36067643

    Apr 17, 2016 - Israel annexed the region in 1981 but the move has not been internationally recognised. Syria demands its return. Mr Netanyahu said at the start of the cabinet meeting: "I chose to have this festive cabinet meeting on the Golan Heights to send a clear message: the Golan Heights will forever remain in Israeli ...
    Israel Will Never Give Golan Heights to Syria, Netanyahu Vows - The ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/.../world/.../israel-will-never-give-golan-heights-to-syria-net...

    Apr 17, 2016 - During a cabinet meeting held in the Israeli-controlled portion of the territory, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the world to recognize Israel's ... Zvi Hauser, Mr. Netanyahu's former cabinet secretary, called last year for an “American pledge” to ensure Israeli rule in the Golan Heights as partial ...

    Peres announced new elections on February 11. On February 25-6, Hamas began its revenge bombing campaign, and Israel broke off the Wye third round on March 4. Peres lost, despite ordering April’s brutal Operation Grapes of Wrath against south Lebanon, which was “wildly popular among Jewish Israelis,” because the Arab voters abstained. Victor Bibi Netanyahu then proclaimed “three noes,” including no withdrawal from the Golan, “peace [not land] for peace,” and “negotiations without preconditions,” cancelling the June 4 promise, which had leaked into the press. Syria refused, and Netanyahu began further development in the Golan.
    Seale argued that Rabin’s August 1993 proposal to Asad “was a political deception, a ruse of war.” It was “tailored to engage Asad just enough to blunt his attack on Oslo,” where talks with the PLO were coming to fruition. Israeli commentator Tanya Reinhart argued that Rabin secured peace for Israel in occupied Lebanon: “Syria must restrain Hizballah to prove the seriousness of its intentions,” and did. In these views, Rabin used the US to manipulate Syria

    In September, 2005, Martin Indyk met in Damascus with Asad, who did not require “preconditions” (the June 4 line) for future talks, which Indyk called “a significant message to Israel.” Sharon replied that the Syrians were trying to “make life easier for themselves.” https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/03/17/those-israel-syria-peace-talks/

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  157. Art says:
    @Hubbard

    I think that it is 50/50 – war/no war with the Trump/Israel/Saudi Axis.

    Think Peace — Art
     

    Bro I like you too much, not only as a person but your philosophy too. We have agreed that in the next printing of Bible, we will leave out the obsolete teachings of god 1.0.

    As far as war is concerned, I think the chances are 100%, the resistance axis will also include Saudi Arabia along with Iran.


    Hassan Nasrallah: First, at the point where things are, we all care not to be led to an escalation in a particular place, unless one has no choice. In Syria, Israel strikes some things. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail, they do not succeed every time. This is are details I will not evoke. But they have not succeeded nor will they succeed in preventing – Israel knows it, I do not reveal a secret here – the capacity, the means and the preparation of the Resistance in Lebanon to increase. This is something we need to endure until further notice, I’m not saying we will tolerate (these attacks) indefinitely. (We patient) until further notice, in the interest of the general strategic objective (ISIS defeat and preparation for the great war against Israel). And that’s what I called the rules of engagement.

    Journalist: Very good. You warned me that you will not enter into details, but let me ask a question. The Israeli strikes positions, warehouses or factories of Hezbollah’s weapons or missiles did not prevent weapons from reaching Hezbollah? This is what you mean?

    Hassan Nasrallah: They have not prevented it and will not prevent it. And they know it very well. I do not tell you a secret here, even if it is perhaps the first time that I say it to the media. But the Israelis themselves know it.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d9zph

     

    Think Peace - Paul!

    P.S. Bro I like you too much that I have stolen your motto, "Think Peace — ...". If you object to it, I will stop using it from now on.

    that I have stolen your motto, “Think Peace

    Paul — thanks for your kind words and thoughts.

    No problem on “Think Peace.”

    I truly believe that the only path to peace – is to ask for it – to demand it – to work for it.

    Good is not the absence of bad – good only comes about through constructive actions. Peace and stability is built one idealistic action at a time.

    Once again – thanks!

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. In Israel, they are burning the midnight oil, thinking up a false flag that will entrap Trump into a war in Syria.

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  158. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kiza
    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story for the global rumour mill. I do not mind reading interesting stories, just like utu’s here, but I do not buy it. Simply because there are even better explanations for why the Russians are in Syria, but they would not make sellable stories.

    The debate would start within the Jewish establishment that runs from Washington DC to Berlin/Frankfurt/ Paris/London circle with Tel Aviv as the center . The failures of Yinon plan will increase the pressure for the discussion The acrimonious fratricidal debates will inform the world what the Zionism was all about.

    Not a bad outcome of the effort of the Russian bolstering of Syria .

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  159. @Kiza
    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story for the global rumour mill. I do not mind reading interesting stories, just like utu’s here, but I do not buy it. Simply because there are even better explanations for why the Russians are in Syria, but they would not make sellable stories.

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?

    Where, when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested that:

    the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis(c)

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability “closes off” precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story

    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn’t have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

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    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability “closes off” precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.
     
    1. S-400 complex (or any complex) place in Syria cannot intercept a ICBM missile fired from Israel to Russia (a completely ludicrous scenario even for sci-fi anyway). Do you not understand about missile trajectories?

    The missile interception system (which is going to be S-500, currently it is A-135 around Moscow) has to be stationed within a lot less than a thousand kilometers from the point of impact.

    2. S-400 cannot and is not designed to intercept ICBM anyway. The system is A-135, which will later be replaced by S-500.

    Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.
     

    'Samson option' was originally the name of the 'nuclear' option - on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/middleeast/1967-arab-israeli-war-nuclear-warning.html

    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.

    , @Dmitry

    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn’t have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

     

    S-400 in Syria is deployed to protect (Russian Federation) Air Force assets deployed in Syria. It will engage forces which threaten these assets.

    It was decided to move them after the Su-24 shoot down in November 2015.

    , @Kiza

    ...when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested...

     

    Imply yes, openly suggest no. I only extended your statements to their ridiculous extreme, the Samson Option blah, blah. When in history was any country happy about the strong military build up of another country in its neighborhood, even if not openly unfriendly? Then, of course that Israeli "diplomats" scream at their Russian counterparts. Of course that the mere presence of two S400 (and I hope to live to see the S500 near Damascus) drives Israelis berserk. The two S400 systems could down half of the Israeli Airforce in one go, in theory. But the strategic aspect is much more important, as discussed re. utu - even without shooting any Israeli planes down and thus uniting the world-wide Jewish monster against Putin and Russia, the mere possibility does the job. This is so elementary that I am ashamed typing it.

    Also, in theory, the Russian missiles could shoot-down Israeli land-based nuclear missiles, so they do change the ME balance of fear significantly. Because the borderline between offensive and defensive weapons is so thin, I am tempted to think that the Russian air-defense missiles in Syria could even be construed as an insurance policy against the regime change in Russia, as Putin's self-preservation. But even this may be too far to speculate, conspire theories and story tell.

    As I wrote, you take existing facts and weave them into a good story, similar to what the Western MSM do with news except that their stories pretending to be news are miserable sewage whist your stories are dreamer sweet.

    I like reading your comments as Andrei or Smoothie, although I do not agree with them always. For me and for me alone, you are a bit like the mirror image of Saker: Saker does not know much about military (although he would never admit it because he shot a gun a few times in the Swiss Civil Defense) but he understands the declining socio-political environment of the Western countries very well. You are the opposite. Having two guys like you on a team would be useful, but alone you both write silly things sometimes. You should try to emulate Dmitry Orlov https://cluborlov.blogspot.com.au/ - the guy never mucks around with things he does not understand well.

    PS. How would the Russian radar operators in Syria know if the Israeli missiles just launched are aimed at Russia or Iran? This is similar to the silliness of that oil filled train of yours coming from London towards Beijing.

    PS2. I will consider getting your book if I can find the time to read it. I am sure it would not be a boring read.
    , @Kiza
    One more thing Andrei, I do appreciate that you do not abuse your "yellow privilege" when commenting on other people's articles at Unz, unlike that mug Karlin. This says a nice thing about your character. Keep the good work going.
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  160. @ChuckOrloski
    Andrei said: "Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question: 1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement?"

    Hi Andrei,

    As recommended, & ever more so important than I to "take a look" at the east Mediterranean basin map, the ZUS military hawks and Think Tank duds are doing so and are likely implementing forms of preparedness and response as I write.

    Russia's either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel's nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival. Very regrettably, the owner-operators of the Samson Option likely refuse to be placed in such vulnerable position.

    Truth is that the bad "hombres" know what you & other good "hombres" know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.

    Thanks for the lively exchange, Andrei.

    P.S. January 1981, I stood at the U.N. patrolled border at Metullah. Subsequently first hand, I could gauge the distance between Damascus and Eliat.

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.

    Of course they do–this is not the issue. The issue is–can anything be done about it? I do sound as this Oracle lady from Matrix, don’t I? LOL.

    Russia’s either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel’s nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival.

    Russia is in it first and foremost for herself. If there will be any additional benefit for all? Hey, why not. Nothing wrong with claiming a credit for an accidental favorable outcome.

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    Andrei Martyanov said to me: "Russia is in it first and foremost for herself. If there will be any additional benefit for all? Hey, why not. Nothing wrong with claiming a credit for an accidental favorable outcome."

    Hi Andrei,

    I have a problem with your very secular judgement, "Russia is in it first and foremost for herself."

    As you know, upon Vladimir Putin's rise to power, the Russian Orthodox Church was welcomed by the government and achieved demonstrable poltical influence. As per NYT correspondents, Russian Orthodox Christians were rewarded with key bureaucratic positions.

    Please note that afer the Clinton-NATO 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia (June 1999), it was the Russian military who first arrived at the Belgrade airport and beat NATO-occupation troops to the "punch."

    Re; your sentence above, one can make a valid claim that Russia typically acts "first and foremost for herself" but I for one saw the dramatic military move as one honoring Slav brotherhood and, in addition, a statement of solidarity with the besieged Serbian Orthodox Church who were losing sacred turf to the western supported Kossovo Liberation Army, "Islamic radicals."

    Speaking respectfully and based upon your thoughful words (below), I intuit you are a secular fundamentalist and apparently are in principled / humane opposition to our time's plague of "violent contemporary liberalism a euphemism financial-oligarchic capitalism..."

    Andrei M.'s words: "No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important."

    Just so you keep in mind, Andrei, a passage in Paul's epistle long ago discussed "the REAL war" which markedly contrasts with your worldview.

    Am not a Bible "Oracle" Thumper in John Hagee's uptown Zio league, but (below) I offer U.R. commenters that which apostle Paul had to say about the "REAL war" mankind confronts:

    "Brethren, be strenghthened in the Lord and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the devil's wiles. For our fight is not against mere flesh & blood, but against powers and principalities, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritial wickedness seated in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may withstand in the evil day." Paul, Ephesians; 6: 10-13

    Meanwhile. it appears Syrians are giving thanks to G_d / Allah for having Russian S-400s
    available for defense.

    Thanks, Andrei & all the best.
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  161. Karl says:

    Putin, unlike the RonUnz crowd, is smart enough to remember, how badly the Russian Air Force got their ass kicked in Egypt when Russian pilots in Russian aircraft, went directly against the Israel Air Force

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    Putin, unlike the RonUnz crowd, is smart enough to remember, how badly the Russian Air Force got their ass kicked in Egypt when Russian pilots in Russian aircraft, went directly against the Israel Air Force
     
    Putin has a legitimate right to protect the country's interests in Syria, which were invested for many years in the relationship with the Assad regime, and would hardly be helped by the rebellion and resulting groups like ISIS (who as we know went on to do the A321 bombing).

    Israel has legitimate right to bomb Iran/Hezbollah conveys that are re-arming Hezbollah, which will soon be fired on Israeli cities. And to respond to cross-border spillover.

    Regardless of which air-force would have an upper hand in such an imaginary scenario - it would be avoided at all costs by both sides.

    In fact, what happened between Turkey and Su-24 in November 2015, was described as 'nightmare' accident by Netanyahu and the reason he was pleased to have organized co-ordination protocols with Russia for their air operations, so that they would not misidentify each other or get in each other's hair.

    The agreement between Israel and Russian air forces in relation to Syria, is that they will co-ordinate to avoid any accident or being in the same areas, and otherwise stay out of each other's missions - which are only tangentially related (Israel is hitting monthly Iran-to-Hezbollah Hezbollah shipments, or occasional people like Jihad Mughniyah, and also firing artillery rockets response to cross-border fire). Meanwhile Russia is bombing the various different Sunni groups.

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  162. Dmitry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?
     
    Where, when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested that:

    the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis(c)

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability "closes off" precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option's credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story
     
    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn't have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability “closes off” precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    1. S-400 complex (or any complex) place in Syria cannot intercept a ICBM missile fired from Israel to Russia (a completely ludicrous scenario even for sci-fi anyway). Do you not understand about missile trajectories?

    The missile interception system (which is going to be S-500, currently it is A-135 around Moscow) has to be stationed within a lot less than a thousand kilometers from the point of impact.

    2. S-400 cannot and is not designed to intercept ICBM anyway. The system is A-135, which will later be replaced by S-500.

    Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    ‘Samson option’ was originally the name of the ‘nuclear’ option – on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/middleeast/1967-arab-israeli-war-nuclear-warning.html

    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.

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    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.
     
    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it--that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:

    ‘Samson option’ was originally the name of the ‘nuclear’ option – on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.
     
    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel's nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

    We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

    In general, study the issue, especially why the United States is so interested in moving its ABM batteries as close to Russia's border as possible. The rest--I see no reason to discuss with you.
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  163. Dmitry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?
     
    Where, when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested that:

    the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis(c)

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability "closes off" precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option's credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story
     
    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn't have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn’t have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

    S-400 in Syria is deployed to protect (Russian Federation) Air Force assets deployed in Syria. It will engage forces which threaten these assets.

    It was decided to move them after the Su-24 shoot down in November 2015.

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  164. Dmitry says:
    @Karl
    Putin, unlike the RonUnz crowd, is smart enough to remember, how badly the Russian Air Force got their ass kicked in Egypt when Russian pilots in Russian aircraft, went directly against the Israel Air Force

    Putin, unlike the RonUnz crowd, is smart enough to remember, how badly the Russian Air Force got their ass kicked in Egypt when Russian pilots in Russian aircraft, went directly against the Israel Air Force

    Putin has a legitimate right to protect the country’s interests in Syria, which were invested for many years in the relationship with the Assad regime, and would hardly be helped by the rebellion and resulting groups like ISIS (who as we know went on to do the A321 bombing).

    Israel has legitimate right to bomb Iran/Hezbollah conveys that are re-arming Hezbollah, which will soon be fired on Israeli cities. And to respond to cross-border spillover.

    Regardless of which air-force would have an upper hand in such an imaginary scenario – it would be avoided at all costs by both sides.

    In fact, what happened between Turkey and Su-24 in November 2015, was described as ‘nightmare’ accident by Netanyahu and the reason he was pleased to have organized co-ordination protocols with Russia for their air operations, so that they would not misidentify each other or get in each other’s hair.

    The agreement between Israel and Russian air forces in relation to Syria, is that they will co-ordinate to avoid any accident or being in the same areas, and otherwise stay out of each other’s missions – which are only tangentially related (Israel is hitting monthly Iran-to-Hezbollah Hezbollah shipments, or occasional people like Jihad Mughniyah, and also firing artillery rockets response to cross-border fire). Meanwhile Russia is bombing the various different Sunni groups.

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    164 Dmitry > Putin has a legitimate right to.... Israel has legitimate right to....


    You me, Trump, and Putin are all reading from the same sheet of music.

    i'll save a front row seat for you at the next (typically Russian-descended-kids) dancekesem.com-sponsored salon-dancing championship playoffs.

    You'd feel very comfortable in Afula, Dmitry. Shall I reserve a chair for you at one of the Russian Orthodox churches? Lots of hot chicks who understand the correct traditional way to calculate the date of Easter Sunday. Not the Papist abomination of a calendar!
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  165. @Dmitry

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability “closes off” precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.
     
    1. S-400 complex (or any complex) place in Syria cannot intercept a ICBM missile fired from Israel to Russia (a completely ludicrous scenario even for sci-fi anyway). Do you not understand about missile trajectories?

    The missile interception system (which is going to be S-500, currently it is A-135 around Moscow) has to be stationed within a lot less than a thousand kilometers from the point of impact.

    2. S-400 cannot and is not designed to intercept ICBM anyway. The system is A-135, which will later be replaced by S-500.

    Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option’s credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.
     

    'Samson option' was originally the name of the 'nuclear' option - on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/middleeast/1967-arab-israeli-war-nuclear-warning.html

    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.

    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.

    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it–that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:

    ‘Samson option’ was originally the name of the ‘nuclear’ option – on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.

    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel’s nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

    We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

    In general, study the issue, especially why the United States is so interested in moving its ABM batteries as close to Russia’s border as possible. The rest–I see no reason to discuss with you.

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    The only thing I like about the Hasbara trolls is that when they attack Philip Giraldi they take names as as Guido etc, when they attack Saker and Andrei they take the names such as Dmitry and so on. It just gives obnoxious trolling that familiar homely almost nostalgic taste.

    This Dmitry has really no idea what he is pecking the keyboard about.

    , @Dmitry

    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it–that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:
     

    My friend, perhaps you meant to refer to the idea of Israel firing cruise missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean?

    S-400 intercepts (up to medium range ballistic missiles) in terminal phase.

    For dealing with ICBM, Russia will use S-500 (deployed inside the country). Currently Moscow has A-135.


    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel’s nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

     

    This is an angry man's opinion said during the Second Intifada - in 2003, there were suicide bombs every week in Israel, while 'enlightened' West was criticizing Israel for its counter-terrorism actions. He is expressing anger about the suicide bombs and Western criticism. He says: "I consider it hopeless at this point."

    He doesn't say anything about nuclear doctrine. He is just so angry he wants to nuke people. The same as when Zhirinovsky wants to nuke the Faroe Islands. (This is neither the country's nuclear doctrine, but Zhirinovsky being angry.)

    As for Israel's nuclear strategy. If Israel tries to threaten friendly countries, it would lose all its friends, and turn into the next North Korea.

    Israel's nuclear strategy has been hinted at before.

    It will use nuclear weapons in a second-strike after an attempted nuclear attack, or when the country is about to be over-run, or if it is about to be conquered.

    For example, during the 1973 invasion, when Israel's defenses were over-run, Moshe Dayan briefly considered them, before Golda Meir told him no that it was not yet at that stage (the situation of early days of the war was still reversible with conventional weapons).

    -

    As for relation to Russia.

    Russia is considered a medium-friendly country to Israel, that Israel wants to improve relations with (see Customs Union).

    Russia is not about to nuclear strike Israel. Russia is not about to conquer Israel.

    Scenario of Israel firing, or even wanting to fire, a ballistic missile at Russia? It is as realistic as pigs flying.

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  166. Dmitry says:
    @iffen
    However, for Iran, the story is different – as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    Maybe this needs to change. Maybe this is a problem.

    However, for Iran, the story is different – as the war will be taking place at a distance for them, and attacks on Israel from Hezbollah in Lebanon (or possibly Syria), will not lead to damage in Iran, but only in Lebanon.

    Maybe this needs to change. Maybe this is a problem.

    Yes they have the advantage in this.

    Iran has also a significant ballistic missile arsenal which can hit Israel directly from Iran.
    If Israel were to respond to an escalation in the Lebanon border area, with a strike on Iran – the result would be two missile firing fronts (Lebanon and Iran) at once – something like a nightmare scenario for Israel. So it is unlikely Israel would strike Iran in response to Hezbollah.

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  167. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?
     
    Where, when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested that:

    the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis(c)

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability "closes off" precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option's credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story
     
    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn't have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

    …when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested…

    Imply yes, openly suggest no. I only extended your statements to their ridiculous extreme, the Samson Option blah, blah. When in history was any country happy about the strong military build up of another country in its neighborhood, even if not openly unfriendly? Then, of course that Israeli “diplomats” scream at their Russian counterparts. Of course that the mere presence of two S400 (and I hope to live to see the S500 near Damascus) drives Israelis berserk. The two S400 systems could down half of the Israeli Airforce in one go, in theory. But the strategic aspect is much more important, as discussed re. utu – even without shooting any Israeli planes down and thus uniting the world-wide Jewish monster against Putin and Russia, the mere possibility does the job. This is so elementary that I am ashamed typing it.

    Also, in theory, the Russian missiles could shoot-down Israeli land-based nuclear missiles, so they do change the ME balance of fear significantly. Because the borderline between offensive and defensive weapons is so thin, I am tempted to think that the Russian air-defense missiles in Syria could even be construed as an insurance policy against the regime change in Russia, as Putin’s self-preservation. But even this may be too far to speculate, conspire theories and story tell.

    As I wrote, you take existing facts and weave them into a good story, similar to what the Western MSM do with news except that their stories pretending to be news are miserable sewage whist your stories are dreamer sweet.

    I like reading your comments as Andrei or Smoothie, although I do not agree with them always. For me and for me alone, you are a bit like the mirror image of Saker: Saker does not know much about military (although he would never admit it because he shot a gun a few times in the Swiss Civil Defense) but he understands the declining socio-political environment of the Western countries very well. You are the opposite. Having two guys like you on a team would be useful, but alone you both write silly things sometimes. You should try to emulate Dmitry Orlov https://cluborlov.blogspot.com.au/ – the guy never mucks around with things he does not understand well.

    PS. How would the Russian radar operators in Syria know if the Israeli missiles just launched are aimed at Russia or Iran? This is similar to the silliness of that oil filled train of yours coming from London towards Beijing.

    PS2. I will consider getting your book if I can find the time to read it. I am sure it would not be a boring read.

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    PS. How would the Russian radar operators in Syria know if the Israeli missiles just launched are aimed at Russia or Iran?
     
    Russian air and missile defense assets are tightly integrated into much larger system of Command and Control of VKS. Imagine, using American analogy, a high school football team--that is the "integrated" defenses of which Iraq, Libya and even Syria, of which Western MSM love so much to talk about. Now get from high-school football team to Dallas Cowboys--that is the difference. Space assets, over the horizon radar, A-50Us both on call and discreet, overlapping radar fields, system of optronic sensors of AD systems themselves--it is second and not far behind only to the American early warning systems. In terms of radar I would say it is better. Just to give you a "feel" Russian VKS command can and does see any aircraft, missile or what have you taking off in 3 000 km range. In reality even much further. But that is a very long discussion on matters of a true Netcentric Warfare. and modern C4ISR complex.
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  168. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.
     
    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it--that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:

    ‘Samson option’ was originally the name of the ‘nuclear’ option – on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.
     
    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel's nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

    We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

    In general, study the issue, especially why the United States is so interested in moving its ABM batteries as close to Russia's border as possible. The rest--I see no reason to discuss with you.

    The only thing I like about the Hasbara trolls is that when they attack Philip Giraldi they take names as as Guido etc, when they attack Saker and Andrei they take the names such as Dmitry and so on. It just gives obnoxious trolling that familiar homely almost nostalgic taste.

    This Dmitry has really no idea what he is pecking the keyboard about.

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  169. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Sorry Andrei, but your theory may be good for selling books (your book) but it is laughable. So the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis?
     
    Where, when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested that:

    the Russian mission and the reason for existence is to save the world from the mad and power hungry Israelis(c)

    I merely pointed out operational and strategic benefit which appears for Russia due to a very specific and, rather, one of the best in the world anti-ballistic missile capability embodies in S-400 and, especially, S-500. Yes, this capability "closes off" precisely the set of trajectories of Israeli ballistic missiles at Russian territory. Where did I say anything about saving the world, I, honestly have no idea. It merely means a dramatic reduction of Samson Option's credibility specifically against Russia and, maybe, under some serious conditions Iran.

    From the reliable facts we all know you weave a great story
     
    I strongly believe it was you who weaved the story by ignoring well known tactical-technical parameters of very real and deployed in Syria 2 S-400 systems. Real military capability brings operational, strategic and, thus, political consequences, this is basic causality. If not for that, we wouldn't have had Cuban Missile Crisis.

    One more thing Andrei, I do appreciate that you do not abuse your “yellow privilege” when commenting on other people’s articles at Unz, unlike that mug Karlin. This says a nice thing about your character. Keep the good work going.

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    Agree
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  170. Dmitry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    It seems to have caught up in some kind of bizarre imagination of its own though on the internet.
     
    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it--that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:

    ‘Samson option’ was originally the name of the ‘nuclear’ option – on the Sinai mountain in 1967 and later contemplated during the 1973 War.
     
    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel's nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

    We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

    In general, study the issue, especially why the United States is so interested in moving its ABM batteries as close to Russia's border as possible. The rest--I see no reason to discuss with you.

    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it–that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:

    My friend, perhaps you meant to refer to the idea of Israel firing cruise missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean?

    S-400 intercepts (up to medium range ballistic missiles) in terminal phase.

    For dealing with ICBM, Russia will use S-500 (deployed inside the country). Currently Moscow has A-135.

    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel’s nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

    This is an angry man’s opinion said during the Second Intifada – in 2003, there were suicide bombs every week in Israel, while ‘enlightened’ West was criticizing Israel for its counter-terrorism actions. He is expressing anger about the suicide bombs and Western criticism. He says: “I consider it hopeless at this point.”

    He doesn’t say anything about nuclear doctrine. He is just so angry he wants to nuke people. The same as when Zhirinovsky wants to nuke the Faroe Islands. (This is neither the country’s nuclear doctrine, but Zhirinovsky being angry.)

    As for Israel’s nuclear strategy. If Israel tries to threaten friendly countries, it would lose all its friends, and turn into the next North Korea.

    Israel’s nuclear strategy has been hinted at before.

    It will use nuclear weapons in a second-strike after an attempted nuclear attack, or when the country is about to be over-run, or if it is about to be conquered.

    For example, during the 1973 invasion, when Israel’s defenses were over-run, Moshe Dayan briefly considered them, before Golda Meir told him no that it was not yet at that stage (the situation of early days of the war was still reversible with conventional weapons).

    -

    As for relation to Russia.

    Russia is considered a medium-friendly country to Israel, that Israel wants to improve relations with (see Customs Union).

    Russia is not about to nuclear strike Israel. Russia is not about to conquer Israel.

    Scenario of Israel firing, or even wanting to fire, a ballistic missile at Russia? It is as realistic as pigs flying.

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    As for Israel’s nuclear strategy. If Israel tries to threaten friendly countries, it would lose all its friends, and turn into the next North Korea.
     
    You are one mightily funny troll, I like you because you provide entertainment.

    Firstly, you appear not to understand the most basic thing - in international politics there are no friends, only (contemporary) interests. Secondly, Israel is the last place on this planet to have any friends, except the kind you can buy for a few shekels and its principal dumb slave US. But keep trolling, it is funny.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    My friend, perhaps you meant to refer to the idea of Israel firing cruise missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean?
     
    I am not your friend and looks like you finally tried to do your due diligence and finally figured out the difference between the boost (post-boost) and terminal phases--otherwise you would never have posted such a BS about TERMINAL intercept A-135 when speaking about S-400., which, BTW, is also capable of terminal and is currently (two regiments IIRC) on the combat watch around Moscow. I like your maneuver again.

    For dealing with ICBM, Russia will use S-500 (deployed inside the country). Currently Moscow has A-135.
     
    Look attentively at the envelope of same 40N6 and ask yourself a question what is the significance of 185 km altitude capability in it, same as 200+ km altitude capability for S-500 missiles. I'll give you a hint--you can play with numbers here, really easy staff:

    http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ICBM.pdf

    or if you want even more reputable stuff, here:

    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a462349.pdf

    This is an angry man’s opinion said during the Second Intifada – in 2003
     
    You know what? All my life I was a supporter, conditional at that, of Israel's statehood, now--I don't know. It seems most of Israel's top brass IS a collection of angry men to such a degree that not only they played a key role in the American foreign policy dangerous insanity but destabilized not only the region (this is an axiom) but supports ISIS butchers and cooperates nicely with this hell-hole of KSA in murdering and displacing millions of people from Iraq to Syria. So, I don't know, now to close this off--Kreveld is an angry person (a defining characteristic of many Israeli politicians and military) but he sure as a hell is a prominent one and I will defer to his, however angry, opinion than read your "clarifications".
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  171. Ben_C says:

    I don’t get it…

    The Crimea “voted” to become part of the Russian Federation… Not that I am taking sides here, but I see no credible evidence otherwise…

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    Crimea? Did you read the article? It's about slightly different questions -). But yes, it's about Russia as well as Crimea. And I believe there are some Jews even there.
    , @iffen
    The Crimea “voted” to become part of the Russian Federation…

    The "Crimeans" were removed from Crimea about 75 years ago, so the "Crimeans" didn't actually get to participate in the recent democratic festivities.

    Not that any of the writers or commenters here fret about demographic displacements from 70-75 years ago.

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  172. Kiza says:
    @Dmitry

    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it–that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:
     

    My friend, perhaps you meant to refer to the idea of Israel firing cruise missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean?

    S-400 intercepts (up to medium range ballistic missiles) in terminal phase.

    For dealing with ICBM, Russia will use S-500 (deployed inside the country). Currently Moscow has A-135.


    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel’s nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

     

    This is an angry man's opinion said during the Second Intifada - in 2003, there were suicide bombs every week in Israel, while 'enlightened' West was criticizing Israel for its counter-terrorism actions. He is expressing anger about the suicide bombs and Western criticism. He says: "I consider it hopeless at this point."

    He doesn't say anything about nuclear doctrine. He is just so angry he wants to nuke people. The same as when Zhirinovsky wants to nuke the Faroe Islands. (This is neither the country's nuclear doctrine, but Zhirinovsky being angry.)

    As for Israel's nuclear strategy. If Israel tries to threaten friendly countries, it would lose all its friends, and turn into the next North Korea.

    Israel's nuclear strategy has been hinted at before.

    It will use nuclear weapons in a second-strike after an attempted nuclear attack, or when the country is about to be over-run, or if it is about to be conquered.

    For example, during the 1973 invasion, when Israel's defenses were over-run, Moshe Dayan briefly considered them, before Golda Meir told him no that it was not yet at that stage (the situation of early days of the war was still reversible with conventional weapons).

    -

    As for relation to Russia.

    Russia is considered a medium-friendly country to Israel, that Israel wants to improve relations with (see Customs Union).

    Russia is not about to nuclear strike Israel. Russia is not about to conquer Israel.

    Scenario of Israel firing, or even wanting to fire, a ballistic missile at Russia? It is as realistic as pigs flying.

    As for Israel’s nuclear strategy. If Israel tries to threaten friendly countries, it would lose all its friends, and turn into the next North Korea.

    You are one mightily funny troll, I like you because you provide entertainment.

    Firstly, you appear not to understand the most basic thing – in international politics there are no friends, only (contemporary) interests. Secondly, Israel is the last place on this planet to have any friends, except the kind you can buy for a few shekels and its principal dumb slave US. But keep trolling, it is funny.

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  173. Wow

    I didn’t know there were so many military and foreign policy experts reading UNZ.

    Everybody does have one.

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  174. Hubbard says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Andrei said: "Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question: 1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement?"

    Hi Andrei,

    As recommended, & ever more so important than I to "take a look" at the east Mediterranean basin map, the ZUS military hawks and Think Tank duds are doing so and are likely implementing forms of preparedness and response as I write.

    Russia's either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel's nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival. Very regrettably, the owner-operators of the Samson Option likely refuse to be placed in such vulnerable position.

    Truth is that the bad "hombres" know what you & other good "hombres" know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.

    Thanks for the lively exchange, Andrei.

    P.S. January 1981, I stood at the U.N. patrolled border at Metullah. Subsequently first hand, I could gauge the distance between Damascus and Eliat.

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.

    I would like to further the scenario from our side, the other side of the coin.

    Remember, Tammy once made the comment that the Russians were kicked out from Middle East (ME) after the war of 1973 by Evil Kissinger. All Arab countries including Iran, put everything into it. Remember, the Oil Embargo in 1973. After that the Saudi Arabia King was assassinated and then Shah was removed from power.

    The Arab had won the war and the existence of Israel was threatened. Nixon did nothing and in the end the Evil Kissinger had to pull the rabbit out of the hole for which was Watergate. Nixon was forced to airlift supplies and manpower to Israel by air, massive amounts, and the Egyptian Army was encircled. Basically, the Arabs with Iran lost. Nixon had to be punished.

    The conditions for peace for Arabs were to kick out the Russian, and buy their military equipment from USA. The equipment given to Israel were much, more superior, thus Arabs can no longer be a threat. Their manpower to be trained by USA. Egypt, Syria and Jordan to sign peace treaties with Israel.

    Israel reneged on Golan Heights, thus only Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaties with Israel, this basically broke the axis of resistance and Syria was left out in cold with no more military hardware.

    Things were going good, then 9/11 happened and USA realized who the real enemy was! Muslims took the blame for 9/11. Taliban and Saddam were removed and the Shia crescent was empowered tactically with the approval of Sunni. Things look chaotic as chaos were created everywhere, including Syria. Crimea was given to Russia and they were brought back to Middle East. Especially, their non-functioning base in Tartus was empowered. Today, Iran is at the doorsteps of Israel, if you catch my drift where I am going. 9/11 opened the eyes of our government, and we are no longer dumb asses as portrayed by Saker.

    So, cheer up good things are on the way. Yes, my favorite music is Rock and I listen to it very, very loud as this is how Rock is to be played at high volumes and hindsight is 20/20.

    Keep on marching Christian Solider…..

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    Bush Sr. didn't remove Saddam as Iraq had become a military power after Iraq/Iran war and a threat to Israel. But he removed, General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. for speaking up for removal of Saddam. However, Saddam was not a threat but his military power was and that had to be destroyed. Not Saddam.

    After 9/11, the son Bush Jr. removed Saddam to empower the Shia.
    , @Robjil
    911 didn't open our eyes in the west. Read Solving 911 by Chris Bollyn. That will open the Orwellian eyes of the mockingbird western crowd. Crimea wasn't given to Russia. The people Crimea were given a chance to vote in 2014, something they were not given in 1954. Nuland's choice gave the people of Crimea a chance to vote for their destiny.
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  175. Hubbard says:
    @Hubbard

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.
     
    I would like to further the scenario from our side, the other side of the coin.

    Remember, Tammy once made the comment that the Russians were kicked out from Middle East (ME) after the war of 1973 by Evil Kissinger. All Arab countries including Iran, put everything into it. Remember, the Oil Embargo in 1973. After that the Saudi Arabia King was assassinated and then Shah was removed from power.

    The Arab had won the war and the existence of Israel was threatened. Nixon did nothing and in the end the Evil Kissinger had to pull the rabbit out of the hole for which was Watergate. Nixon was forced to airlift supplies and manpower to Israel by air, massive amounts, and the Egyptian Army was encircled. Basically, the Arabs with Iran lost. Nixon had to be punished.

    The conditions for peace for Arabs were to kick out the Russian, and buy their military equipment from USA. The equipment given to Israel were much, more superior, thus Arabs can no longer be a threat. Their manpower to be trained by USA. Egypt, Syria and Jordan to sign peace treaties with Israel.

    Israel reneged on Golan Heights, thus only Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaties with Israel, this basically broke the axis of resistance and Syria was left out in cold with no more military hardware.

    Things were going good, then 9/11 happened and USA realized who the real enemy was! Muslims took the blame for 9/11. Taliban and Saddam were removed and the Shia crescent was empowered tactically with the approval of Sunni. Things look chaotic as chaos were created everywhere, including Syria. Crimea was given to Russia and they were brought back to Middle East. Especially, their non-functioning base in Tartus was empowered. Today, Iran is at the doorsteps of Israel, if you catch my drift where I am going. 9/11 opened the eyes of our government, and we are no longer dumb asses as portrayed by Saker.

    So, cheer up good things are on the way. Yes, my favorite music is Rock and I listen to it very, very loud as this is how Rock is to be played at high volumes and hindsight is 20/20.

    Keep on marching Christian Solider.....

    Bush Sr. didn’t remove Saddam as Iraq had become a military power after Iraq/Iran war and a threat to Israel. But he removed, General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. for speaking up for removal of Saddam. However, Saddam was not a threat but his military power was and that had to be destroyed. Not Saddam.

    After 9/11, the son Bush Jr. removed Saddam to empower the Shia.

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  176. yurivku says:
    @Ben_C
    I don't get it...

    The Crimea "voted" to become part of the Russian Federation... Not that I am taking sides here, but I see no credible evidence otherwise...

    Crimea? Did you read the article? It’s about slightly different questions -). But yes, it’s about Russia as well as Crimea. And I believe there are some Jews even there.

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  177. itchyvet says:

    I’m curious as to why the fingers are pointed at Russia to constantly pull folks from the fire, there are other nations just a strong. It’s strange that we never hear of China coming to the for and emulating Russians tactics. So why doesn’t the finger get pointed at China as well ?
    The U.S. has made no secret that they are also gunning for China as well as Russia, so it’s rather odd, that China refuses to step up.

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  178. Karl says:
    @Dmitry

    Putin, unlike the RonUnz crowd, is smart enough to remember, how badly the Russian Air Force got their ass kicked in Egypt when Russian pilots in Russian aircraft, went directly against the Israel Air Force
     
    Putin has a legitimate right to protect the country's interests in Syria, which were invested for many years in the relationship with the Assad regime, and would hardly be helped by the rebellion and resulting groups like ISIS (who as we know went on to do the A321 bombing).

    Israel has legitimate right to bomb Iran/Hezbollah conveys that are re-arming Hezbollah, which will soon be fired on Israeli cities. And to respond to cross-border spillover.

    Regardless of which air-force would have an upper hand in such an imaginary scenario - it would be avoided at all costs by both sides.

    In fact, what happened between Turkey and Su-24 in November 2015, was described as 'nightmare' accident by Netanyahu and the reason he was pleased to have organized co-ordination protocols with Russia for their air operations, so that they would not misidentify each other or get in each other's hair.

    The agreement between Israel and Russian air forces in relation to Syria, is that they will co-ordinate to avoid any accident or being in the same areas, and otherwise stay out of each other's missions - which are only tangentially related (Israel is hitting monthly Iran-to-Hezbollah Hezbollah shipments, or occasional people like Jihad Mughniyah, and also firing artillery rockets response to cross-border fire). Meanwhile Russia is bombing the various different Sunni groups.

    164 Dmitry > Putin has a legitimate right to…. Israel has legitimate right to….

    You me, Trump, and Putin are all reading from the same sheet of music.

    i’ll save a front row seat for you at the next (typically Russian-descended-kids) dancekesem.com-sponsored salon-dancing championship playoffs.

    You’d feel very comfortable in Afula, Dmitry. Shall I reserve a chair for you at one of the Russian Orthodox churches? Lots of hot chicks who understand the correct traditional way to calculate the date of Easter Sunday. Not the Papist abomination of a calendar!

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  179. mcohen says:
    @polskijoe
    There is a Jewish Zionist mafia in Russia.

    Solyntsevskaya mafia
    Sergei Mikhailov, Averin brothers, Semion Mogilevich, allies include: Pyotr Aven, Mikhail Fridman.

    Boris Berezovsky, Badri patarkatschivili connected to Mossad.

    Also Vitaly Malkin, Alex Knasner, Gusinsky, and many others. (my source is isgp a good website).

    Sure Putin got rid of some Zionist Jewish billionares (thats great!).
    But they are still around.

    If Putin turns all Jews and all Anglos against him, it wouldnt be a good ending.

    That is the reality.businessmen with real power.there are over a million russians in israel and a few more here and there.even trump was selling them aparments in his trump tower.free vodka.you name it.you would if you could “saker” but better safe than sorry hey.

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  180. @Andrei Martyanov

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?
     
    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel--it is not THAT important. But because of Israel's enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what's my next piece will be about--consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat--it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing--the end of Israeli's nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what's left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

    Really interesting. I have never given thought to those S400 being used in this case as interceptors of Israeli missiles. Killing two birds with one stone. I just wonder are they that crazy to shot at Russia. Considering this situation I wonder if Israel might go for nuclear sub option?

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    I just wonder are they that crazy to shot at Russia
     
    Israel played a huge role (through US too) in unleashing a mayhem in the region, they also support IS--a rather telling record. I am waiting only for one single answer to this one single but enormously important question: if Israel was in any way involved in 911. If she was...
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  181. @Kiza
    One more thing Andrei, I do appreciate that you do not abuse your "yellow privilege" when commenting on other people's articles at Unz, unlike that mug Karlin. This says a nice thing about your character. Keep the good work going.

    Agree

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  182. iffen says:
    @Ben_C
    I don't get it...

    The Crimea "voted" to become part of the Russian Federation... Not that I am taking sides here, but I see no credible evidence otherwise...

    The Crimea “voted” to become part of the Russian Federation…

    The “Crimeans” were removed from Crimea about 75 years ago, so the “Crimeans” didn’t actually get to participate in the recent democratic festivities.

    Not that any of the writers or commenters here fret about demographic displacements from 70-75 years ago.

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  183. @Dmitry

    So, you do not understand what acceleration (boost) phase intercept of a ballistic missile is and why it is most vulnerable on it–that much is clear. It is also obvious that you do not understand why so much noise around ABM facility in Romania and in Poland. Educate yourself slightly here:

    https://www.nap.edu/read/13189/chapter/4#32

    As for:
     

    My friend, perhaps you meant to refer to the idea of Israel firing cruise missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean?

    S-400 intercepts (up to medium range ballistic missiles) in terminal phase.

    For dealing with ICBM, Russia will use S-500 (deployed inside the country). Currently Moscow has A-135.


    Google Martin Von Kreveld and what he says about Israel’s nuclear deterrent. Here is a quote:

     

    This is an angry man's opinion said during the Second Intifada - in 2003, there were suicide bombs every week in Israel, while 'enlightened' West was criticizing Israel for its counter-terrorism actions. He is expressing anger about the suicide bombs and Western criticism. He says: "I consider it hopeless at this point."

    He doesn't say anything about nuclear doctrine. He is just so angry he wants to nuke people. The same as when Zhirinovsky wants to nuke the Faroe Islands. (This is neither the country's nuclear doctrine, but Zhirinovsky being angry.)

    As for Israel's nuclear strategy. If Israel tries to threaten friendly countries, it would lose all its friends, and turn into the next North Korea.

    Israel's nuclear strategy has been hinted at before.

    It will use nuclear weapons in a second-strike after an attempted nuclear attack, or when the country is about to be over-run, or if it is about to be conquered.

    For example, during the 1973 invasion, when Israel's defenses were over-run, Moshe Dayan briefly considered them, before Golda Meir told him no that it was not yet at that stage (the situation of early days of the war was still reversible with conventional weapons).

    -

    As for relation to Russia.

    Russia is considered a medium-friendly country to Israel, that Israel wants to improve relations with (see Customs Union).

    Russia is not about to nuclear strike Israel. Russia is not about to conquer Israel.

    Scenario of Israel firing, or even wanting to fire, a ballistic missile at Russia? It is as realistic as pigs flying.

    My friend, perhaps you meant to refer to the idea of Israel firing cruise missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean?

    I am not your friend and looks like you finally tried to do your due diligence and finally figured out the difference between the boost (post-boost) and terminal phases–otherwise you would never have posted such a BS about TERMINAL intercept A-135 when speaking about S-400., which, BTW, is also capable of terminal and is currently (two regiments IIRC) on the combat watch around Moscow. I like your maneuver again.

    For dealing with ICBM, Russia will use S-500 (deployed inside the country). Currently Moscow has A-135.

    Look attentively at the envelope of same 40N6 and ask yourself a question what is the significance of 185 km altitude capability in it, same as 200+ km altitude capability for S-500 missiles. I’ll give you a hint–you can play with numbers here, really easy staff:

    http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ICBM.pdf

    or if you want even more reputable stuff, here:

    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a462349.pdf

    This is an angry man’s opinion said during the Second Intifada – in 2003

    You know what? All my life I was a supporter, conditional at that, of Israel’s statehood, now–I don’t know. It seems most of Israel’s top brass IS a collection of angry men to such a degree that not only they played a key role in the American foreign policy dangerous insanity but destabilized not only the region (this is an axiom) but supports ISIS butchers and cooperates nicely with this hell-hole of KSA in murdering and displacing millions of people from Iraq to Syria. So, I don’t know, now to close this off–Kreveld is an angry person (a defining characteristic of many Israeli politicians and military) but he sure as a hell is a prominent one and I will defer to his, however angry, opinion than read your “clarifications”.

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  184. @Kiza

    ...when and under what sauce did I imply, let alone openly suggested...

     

    Imply yes, openly suggest no. I only extended your statements to their ridiculous extreme, the Samson Option blah, blah. When in history was any country happy about the strong military build up of another country in its neighborhood, even if not openly unfriendly? Then, of course that Israeli "diplomats" scream at their Russian counterparts. Of course that the mere presence of two S400 (and I hope to live to see the S500 near Damascus) drives Israelis berserk. The two S400 systems could down half of the Israeli Airforce in one go, in theory. But the strategic aspect is much more important, as discussed re. utu - even without shooting any Israeli planes down and thus uniting the world-wide Jewish monster against Putin and Russia, the mere possibility does the job. This is so elementary that I am ashamed typing it.

    Also, in theory, the Russian missiles could shoot-down Israeli land-based nuclear missiles, so they do change the ME balance of fear significantly. Because the borderline between offensive and defensive weapons is so thin, I am tempted to think that the Russian air-defense missiles in Syria could even be construed as an insurance policy against the regime change in Russia, as Putin's self-preservation. But even this may be too far to speculate, conspire theories and story tell.

    As I wrote, you take existing facts and weave them into a good story, similar to what the Western MSM do with news except that their stories pretending to be news are miserable sewage whist your stories are dreamer sweet.

    I like reading your comments as Andrei or Smoothie, although I do not agree with them always. For me and for me alone, you are a bit like the mirror image of Saker: Saker does not know much about military (although he would never admit it because he shot a gun a few times in the Swiss Civil Defense) but he understands the declining socio-political environment of the Western countries very well. You are the opposite. Having two guys like you on a team would be useful, but alone you both write silly things sometimes. You should try to emulate Dmitry Orlov https://cluborlov.blogspot.com.au/ - the guy never mucks around with things he does not understand well.

    PS. How would the Russian radar operators in Syria know if the Israeli missiles just launched are aimed at Russia or Iran? This is similar to the silliness of that oil filled train of yours coming from London towards Beijing.

    PS2. I will consider getting your book if I can find the time to read it. I am sure it would not be a boring read.

    PS. How would the Russian radar operators in Syria know if the Israeli missiles just launched are aimed at Russia or Iran?

    Russian air and missile defense assets are tightly integrated into much larger system of Command and Control of VKS. Imagine, using American analogy, a high school football team–that is the “integrated” defenses of which Iraq, Libya and even Syria, of which Western MSM love so much to talk about. Now get from high-school football team to Dallas Cowboys–that is the difference. Space assets, over the horizon radar, A-50Us both on call and discreet, overlapping radar fields, system of optronic sensors of AD systems themselves–it is second and not far behind only to the American early warning systems. In terms of radar I would say it is better. Just to give you a “feel” Russian VKS command can and does see any aircraft, missile or what have you taking off in 3 000 km range. In reality even much further. But that is a very long discussion on matters of a true Netcentric Warfare. and modern C4ISR complex.

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    I am not your friend and looks like you finally tried to do your due diligence and finally figured out the difference between the boost (post-boost) and terminal phases–otherwise you would never have posted such a BS about TERMINAL intercept A-135 when speaking about S-400., which, BTW, is also capable of terminal and is currently (two regiments IIRC) on the combat watch around Moscow. I like your maneuver again.
     

    I am not your friend
     
    I was being polite, not literal - I try to give people 'the benefit of the doubt' on the internet.

    S-400 placed in Syria, is not capable of intercepting ICBM flying from Israel to Russia (which is an absurd scenario either way).

    S-400 intercepts in terminal phase. It intercepts within less than 1000km of the target (so you place it in the country which might be targeted - within range of the target site),

    40N6 can intercept up to medium-range range ballistic missiles (not ICBM).

    Placing it in a country thousands of kilometers away from the alleged target, means it has no ability to intercept ballistic missiles landing in the alleged target country.

    Boost phase interception systems also do not yet exist - it's an area for future research.

    -
    As for S-400
    48N6 is capable of "destoying medium-range ballistic missiles with a maximum range of 3,500-km flying at 4,800 meters per second, at a distance of 5 to 60 km and
    an altitude of 2 to 27 km."

    http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pdffiles/pub1277.pdf

    -

    For intercepting ICBMs, there will soon be S-500, and currently just A-135 system.

    You know what? All my life I was a supporter, conditional at that, of Israel’s statehood, now–I don’t know. It seems most of Israel’s top brass IS a collection of angry men to such a degree that not only they played a key role in the American foreign policy dangerous insanity but destabilized not only the region (this is an axiom) but supports ISIS butchers and cooperates nicely with this hell-hole of KSA in murdering and displacing millions of people from Iraq to Syria. So, I don’t know, now to close this off–Kreveld is an angry person (a defining characteristic of many Israeli politicians and military) but he sure as a hell is a prominent one and I will defer to his, however angry, opinion than read your “clarifications”.

     

    He's talking about Palestinian suicide bomb attacks in Israel - and then bombing Rome. It is not a nuclear doctrine - it is an angry statement the same as.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X5T61ZbGww


    --

    As for actual nuclear doctrine. You 'cannot reinvent' wheel with nuclear doctrine. All same principles of MAD ('Mutually Assured Destruction') apply to Israel, as to the US, as to India, as to North Korea, as to China, as to Pakistan, etc.


    --

    As for Israel acting angrily and so on.

    The only time nuclear was ever considered was in October 1973 - when the country was being invaded.

    And in this case it was not used - Israeli leader stayed calm, until conventional methods were exhausted.
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5122006

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  185. @Sergey Krieger
    Really interesting. I have never given thought to those S400 being used in this case as interceptors of Israeli missiles. Killing two birds with one stone. I just wonder are they that crazy to shot at Russia. Considering this situation I wonder if Israel might go for nuclear sub option?

    I just wonder are they that crazy to shot at Russia

    Israel played a huge role (through US too) in unleashing a mayhem in the region, they also support IS–a rather telling record. I am waiting only for one single answer to this one single but enormously important question: if Israel was in any way involved in 911. If she was…

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    I was reading Paul Craig Rogers. He actually always stated it was Israeli instigated act. But I remember he posted site with opinions by engineers regarding the whole affair. If I remember correctly there was statements that burning fuel could not melt the frame of the buildings to cause collapse. I never believed it though. I am not into such theories. But if they are crazy enough for Moscow to consider Israel potential threat...everything is messed up. Basically Israel behaviour as a person would constitute psychopathology.
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  186. @Andrei Martyanov

    I just wonder are they that crazy to shot at Russia
     
    Israel played a huge role (through US too) in unleashing a mayhem in the region, they also support IS--a rather telling record. I am waiting only for one single answer to this one single but enormously important question: if Israel was in any way involved in 911. If she was...

    I was reading Paul Craig Rogers. He actually always stated it was Israeli instigated act. But I remember he posted site with opinions by engineers regarding the whole affair. If I remember correctly there was statements that burning fuel could not melt the frame of the buildings to cause collapse. I never believed it though. I am not into such theories. But if they are crazy enough for Moscow to consider Israel potential threat…everything is messed up. Basically Israel behaviour as a person would constitute psychopathology.

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    I was reading Paul Craig Rogers. He actually always stated it was Israeli instigated act.
     
    After Israeli-Saudi intimacy was outed, it is not only legitimate but highly warranted venue to pursue in assessing Israel's role in 911. In the end, from Israel's POV it was them poor dears who benefited most from 911. Considering the fact that Saudis, for the most part, are dumb as fvcks it is absolutely conceivable that Israel may have played a role in 911. BTW, there was nothing really sophisticated or any special resources needed to inspire 19 disgruntled Muslims to take flight lessons and then board the planes with box cutters at hand. I remember good ol' USA then--you can bring the cow on board if you wanted too.
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  187. @Sergey Krieger
    I was reading Paul Craig Rogers. He actually always stated it was Israeli instigated act. But I remember he posted site with opinions by engineers regarding the whole affair. If I remember correctly there was statements that burning fuel could not melt the frame of the buildings to cause collapse. I never believed it though. I am not into such theories. But if they are crazy enough for Moscow to consider Israel potential threat...everything is messed up. Basically Israel behaviour as a person would constitute psychopathology.

    I was reading Paul Craig Rogers. He actually always stated it was Israeli instigated act.

    After Israeli-Saudi intimacy was outed, it is not only legitimate but highly warranted venue to pursue in assessing Israel’s role in 911. In the end, from Israel’s POV it was them poor dears who benefited most from 911. Considering the fact that Saudis, for the most part, are dumb as fvcks it is absolutely conceivable that Israel may have played a role in 911. BTW, there was nothing really sophisticated or any special resources needed to inspire 19 disgruntled Muslims to take flight lessons and then board the planes with box cutters at hand. I remember good ol’ USA then–you can bring the cow on board if you wanted too.

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    But who is going to investigate? Even to hint about this sort of investigation. Even if it is true, I guess it is going down just like Kennedy assassination. Usually such things are done as a chain . Cut that chain in some place and it is next to impossible to find culprits. Crazy stuff.
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  188. @Andrei Martyanov

    I was reading Paul Craig Rogers. He actually always stated it was Israeli instigated act.
     
    After Israeli-Saudi intimacy was outed, it is not only legitimate but highly warranted venue to pursue in assessing Israel's role in 911. In the end, from Israel's POV it was them poor dears who benefited most from 911. Considering the fact that Saudis, for the most part, are dumb as fvcks it is absolutely conceivable that Israel may have played a role in 911. BTW, there was nothing really sophisticated or any special resources needed to inspire 19 disgruntled Muslims to take flight lessons and then board the planes with box cutters at hand. I remember good ol' USA then--you can bring the cow on board if you wanted too.

    But who is going to investigate? Even to hint about this sort of investigation. Even if it is true, I guess it is going down just like Kennedy assassination. Usually such things are done as a chain . Cut that chain in some place and it is next to impossible to find culprits. Crazy stuff.

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    But who is going to investigate? Even to hint about this sort of investigation.
     
    Let's wait and see where this whole Russiagate thing goes (there is a neocon driver behind it too). It could give us some hints of things to come.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Sergey contemplated the real JFK assassin's & 9/11 Chief Culprits and asked: "But who is going to investigate?"

    In both High Crime political cases, agents of the United States D.O.J. we're ordered to stop serious crime scene investigations.

    Millions of Americans passionately want both JFK's murder and the 9/11 attack cases reinvestigated.

    Problem with the reasoned desire (noted above) is the fact that neither event has yet to undergo one real (intense) criminal investigation because of the perpetrators having complete hold upon the false narrative, accounts.

    Respectfully, it's not actually "crazy" stuff, Sergey.

    In the case of 9/11's frenzied aftermath, citizens of Islamic countries deliberately got served ZUS injustice, resulting in mass "death penalties."

    Thanks!
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  189. @Andrei Martyanov

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.
     
    Of course they do--this is not the issue. The issue is--can anything be done about it? I do sound as this Oracle lady from Matrix, don't I? LOL.

    Russia’s either gallant limiting or possibly deducting Israel’s nuclear deterrent edge appears (at first glance) a great leap for the sake of ensuring mankinds survival.
     
    Russia is in it first and foremost for herself. If there will be any additional benefit for all? Hey, why not. Nothing wrong with claiming a credit for an accidental favorable outcome.

    Andrei Martyanov said to me: “Russia is in it first and foremost for herself. If there will be any additional benefit for all? Hey, why not. Nothing wrong with claiming a credit for an accidental favorable outcome.”

    Hi Andrei,

    I have a problem with your very secular judgement, “Russia is in it first and foremost for herself.”

    As you know, upon Vladimir Putin’s rise to power, the Russian Orthodox Church was welcomed by the government and achieved demonstrable poltical influence. As per NYT correspondents, Russian Orthodox Christians were rewarded with key bureaucratic positions.

    Please note that afer the Clinton-NATO 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia (June 1999), it was the Russian military who first arrived at the Belgrade airport and beat NATO-occupation troops to the “punch.”

    Re; your sentence above, one can make a valid claim that Russia typically acts “first and foremost for herself” but I for one saw the dramatic military move as one honoring Slav brotherhood and, in addition, a statement of solidarity with the besieged Serbian Orthodox Church who were losing sacred turf to the western supported Kossovo Liberation Army, “Islamic radicals.”

    Speaking respectfully and based upon your thoughful words (below), I intuit you are a secular fundamentalist and apparently are in principled / humane opposition to our time’s plague of “violent contemporary liberalism a euphemism financial-oligarchic capitalism…”

    Andrei M.’s words: “No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important.”

    Just so you keep in mind, Andrei, a passage in Paul’s epistle long ago discussed “the REAL war” which markedly contrasts with your worldview.

    Am not a Bible “Oracle” Thumper in John Hagee’s uptown Zio league, but (below) I offer U.R. commenters that which apostle Paul had to say about the “REAL war” mankind confronts:

    “Brethren, be strenghthened in the Lord and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the devil’s wiles. For our fight is not against mere flesh & blood, but against powers and principalities, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritial wickedness seated in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may withstand in the evil day.” Paul, Ephesians; 6: 10-13

    Meanwhile. it appears Syrians are giving thanks to G_d / Allah for having Russian S-400s
    available for defense.

    Thanks, Andrei & all the best.

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    Hi Andrei,

    I have a problem with your very secular judgement, “Russia is in it first and foremost for herself.”

     

    Chuck, read attentively what I wrote here, see link below:


    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/why-is-putin-allowing-israel-to-bomb-syria/#comment-2169302

    I quote myself:

    yet, somehow, in all these discussions a “small” insignificant fact of Russian Orthodox Church’s lobbying for ME Christians was completely omitted, while in reality it was a major factor, apart from other military-political considerations, which influenced a decision on Syria. So, the dynamics is much more complex
     
    This hardly qualifies as "secular". It is also obvious that Putin is a true believer. The issue of the fate of Christian communities (not just Orthodox) in ME was raised many times since the start of Iraq War and increased in volume on ROC part since the whole ordeal in Syria started.
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  190. @Sergey Krieger
    But who is going to investigate? Even to hint about this sort of investigation. Even if it is true, I guess it is going down just like Kennedy assassination. Usually such things are done as a chain . Cut that chain in some place and it is next to impossible to find culprits. Crazy stuff.

    But who is going to investigate? Even to hint about this sort of investigation.

    Let’s wait and see where this whole Russiagate thing goes (there is a neocon driver behind it too). It could give us some hints of things to come.

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  191. @ChuckOrloski
    Andrei Martyanov said to me: "Russia is in it first and foremost for herself. If there will be any additional benefit for all? Hey, why not. Nothing wrong with claiming a credit for an accidental favorable outcome."

    Hi Andrei,

    I have a problem with your very secular judgement, "Russia is in it first and foremost for herself."

    As you know, upon Vladimir Putin's rise to power, the Russian Orthodox Church was welcomed by the government and achieved demonstrable poltical influence. As per NYT correspondents, Russian Orthodox Christians were rewarded with key bureaucratic positions.

    Please note that afer the Clinton-NATO 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia (June 1999), it was the Russian military who first arrived at the Belgrade airport and beat NATO-occupation troops to the "punch."

    Re; your sentence above, one can make a valid claim that Russia typically acts "first and foremost for herself" but I for one saw the dramatic military move as one honoring Slav brotherhood and, in addition, a statement of solidarity with the besieged Serbian Orthodox Church who were losing sacred turf to the western supported Kossovo Liberation Army, "Islamic radicals."

    Speaking respectfully and based upon your thoughful words (below), I intuit you are a secular fundamentalist and apparently are in principled / humane opposition to our time's plague of "violent contemporary liberalism a euphemism financial-oligarchic capitalism..."

    Andrei M.'s words: "No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important."

    Just so you keep in mind, Andrei, a passage in Paul's epistle long ago discussed "the REAL war" which markedly contrasts with your worldview.

    Am not a Bible "Oracle" Thumper in John Hagee's uptown Zio league, but (below) I offer U.R. commenters that which apostle Paul had to say about the "REAL war" mankind confronts:

    "Brethren, be strenghthened in the Lord and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the devil's wiles. For our fight is not against mere flesh & blood, but against powers and principalities, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritial wickedness seated in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may withstand in the evil day." Paul, Ephesians; 6: 10-13

    Meanwhile. it appears Syrians are giving thanks to G_d / Allah for having Russian S-400s
    available for defense.

    Thanks, Andrei & all the best.

    Hi Andrei,

    I have a problem with your very secular judgement, “Russia is in it first and foremost for herself.”

    Chuck, read attentively what I wrote here, see link below:

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/why-is-putin-allowing-israel-to-bomb-syria/#comment-2169302

    I quote myself:

    yet, somehow, in all these discussions a “small” insignificant fact of Russian Orthodox Church’s lobbying for ME Christians was completely omitted, while in reality it was a major factor, apart from other military-political considerations, which influenced a decision on Syria. So, the dynamics is much more complex

    This hardly qualifies as “secular”. It is also obvious that Putin is a true believer. The issue of the fate of Christian communities (not just Orthodox) in ME was raised many times since the start of Iraq War and increased in volume on ROC part since the whole ordeal in Syria started.

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    Andrei,

    Okay.

    Now I can make a connection with one of your comments, "Russia is in it for herself," with the other contrasting spiritual-aligned comment.

    Thanks very much!
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  192. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
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    Bush Sr. didn't remove Saddam as Iraq had become a military power after Iraq/Iran war and a threat to Israel. But he removed, General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. for speaking up for removal of Saddam. However, Saddam was not a threat but his military power was and that had to be destroyed. Not Saddam.

    After 9/11, the son Bush Jr. removed Saddam to empower the Shia.

    So, “Tammy” has re-emerged as “Hubbard”.

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  193. @Sergey Krieger
    But who is going to investigate? Even to hint about this sort of investigation. Even if it is true, I guess it is going down just like Kennedy assassination. Usually such things are done as a chain . Cut that chain in some place and it is next to impossible to find culprits. Crazy stuff.

    Sergey contemplated the real JFK assassin’s & 9/11 Chief Culprits and asked: “But who is going to investigate?”

    In both High Crime political cases, agents of the United States D.O.J. we’re ordered to stop serious crime scene investigations.

    Millions of Americans passionately want both JFK’s murder and the 9/11 attack cases reinvestigated.

    Problem with the reasoned desire (noted above) is the fact that neither event has yet to undergo one real (intense) criminal investigation because of the perpetrators having complete hold upon the false narrative, accounts.

    Respectfully, it’s not actually “crazy” stuff, Sergey.

    In the case of 9/11′s frenzied aftermath, citizens of Islamic countries deliberately got served ZUS injustice, resulting in mass “death penalties.”

    Thanks!

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  194. Aedib says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Is this the REAL war on which our planet’s fate depends and stands near helpless?
     
    No, the REAL war is between new (old) human nature and collapsing, discredited and increasingly violent contemporary liberalism, a euphemism for financial-oligarchic capitalism, of which Jewish oligarchs are very important but just one par. Once the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, etc.) and American Christian Zionists are factored out, very few globally really give a shit about Israel--it is not THAT important. But because of Israel's enormous power within the US, especially her foreign policy establishment, Israel becomes a major factor, since harnesses dumb and blind quite significant US power, which can wreck the world, including for some insane Old Testament reasons. Now, I have to reveal a bit what's my next piece will be about--consider the fact of Russia being in Syria and why Israelis go apoplectic. It is more than Syria surviving as a secular Arab state, thus opening possibility for future development into force which MAY contest Golan Heights, among many other considerations, that drives Israel mad. Just a hint: get to the Google Maps and measure the distance from Damascus to Eilat--it is around 280 miles, that is around 480 kilometers. Do you know what 480 kilometers range is? It is 110% of the range of 40N6 missile, and in 2020 it will be well within the 600 kilometer range of S-500. Do you know what that means? Only one thing that ANY Israeli ballistic nuclear tipped missile launched from anywhere in Israel will be (as it is already) tracked at the acceleration phase and, if need be, intercepted.

    Now take a look at the location of the two S-400 complexes in Syria and then ask yourself a question:

    1. What will it mean, especially after Syria and Russia signed the agreement on Tartus, which allows there ships with nuclear power-plant, hint: 1144 after modernization)?

    2. And especially when (most likely) Russia will add S-500 around Damascus?

    It means only one thing--the end of Israeli's nuclear deterrent as credible force in SOME directions. That is why, as some news agencies report, Israeli officials literally scream at Russian diplomats during some meetings. The desperation is palpable. Deduct nuclear deterrent from Israel, what's left? So, no Samson Option. BTW, seeing trajectories on the globe is even better, gives a good grasp of the whole thing. It is a very interesting situation, to put it mildly.

    Do you have some info about the deployment date of S-500? AFAIK is behind schedule. On the other hand, considering you assertion about the control of the Artic sea line, may you provide some info about trend of the Russian SSN fleet? AFAIL, the SSBN fleet is rejuvenating with the steady addition of Boreys, but the SSN, fleet, necessary to control sea lines, is aging

    https://warisboring.com/a-grim-future-for-russias-nuclear-submarine-fleet/

    The slow pace of Yasen class production is the main responsible. The sooner this extremely expensive class is superseded by Husky class, the better.

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    Do you have some info about the deployment date of S-500? AFAIK is behind schedule.
     
    Nothing more than available in open media. The so called "shift to the right" in procurement is nothing special as a commonplace in any serious new military technology. It may happen in 2020, it may get delayed to 2021.

    On the other hand, considering you assertion about the control of the Artic sea line, may you provide some info about trend of the Russian SSN fleet? AFAIL, the SSBN fleet is rejuvenating with the steady addition of Boreys, but the SSN, fleet, necessary to control sea lines, is aging

    https://warisboring.com/a-grim-future-for-russias-nuclear-submarine-fleet/
     
    1. Do not trust much War Is Boring re: Russia
    2. Especially do not trust "assessments" from BMPD--all of them there are utterly unqualified people (as many of their previous "assessments" testify to, not to mention their biographies) and the only thing they are good for is being a military news clearing house.--that is the only real value of their blog.

    So, as per Yasen, project 885. Of course it is expensive but considering that 1 is already in service, two already afloat and four are building, with the last one being laid down in July 2017 and expected in the fleet by 2024, I don't see that much of a problem with, say Arctic SLOCs. The reason being of Russia's SSK component. Just one example, Pacific Fleet will get their own brand new 6 of Pr. 636 SSKs soon and the tempo of construction of those is good. So, the future is anything but "grim" as WIB site suggests. I am by far more interested in the final decision on the two hulls of Sierra-class, Project 945 SSNs. In other words, Russia will have enough force, especially when one considers that Arctic SLOC are well within the reach of Russia's ASW-Patrol Aviation, I see no big problems. Moreover, while theoretically Russian Navy may consider operations on SLOC, I think that most important and by far task for it is the ability to provide both nuclear and non-nuclear strategic containment against NATO and that is a very long and separate discussion. You can read some of my opinions in my United States Naval Institutes Proceedings and Blog publications.
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  195. @Andrei Martyanov

    Hi Andrei,

    I have a problem with your very secular judgement, “Russia is in it first and foremost for herself.”

     

    Chuck, read attentively what I wrote here, see link below:


    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/why-is-putin-allowing-israel-to-bomb-syria/#comment-2169302

    I quote myself:

    yet, somehow, in all these discussions a “small” insignificant fact of Russian Orthodox Church’s lobbying for ME Christians was completely omitted, while in reality it was a major factor, apart from other military-political considerations, which influenced a decision on Syria. So, the dynamics is much more complex
     
    This hardly qualifies as "secular". It is also obvious that Putin is a true believer. The issue of the fate of Christian communities (not just Orthodox) in ME was raised many times since the start of Iraq War and increased in volume on ROC part since the whole ordeal in Syria started.

    Andrei,

    Okay.

    Now I can make a connection with one of your comments, “Russia is in it for herself,” with the other contrasting spiritual-aligned comment.

    Thanks very much!

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  196. @Aedib
    Do you have some info about the deployment date of S-500? AFAIK is behind schedule. On the other hand, considering you assertion about the control of the Artic sea line, may you provide some info about trend of the Russian SSN fleet? AFAIL, the SSBN fleet is rejuvenating with the steady addition of Boreys, but the SSN, fleet, necessary to control sea lines, is aging

    https://warisboring.com/a-grim-future-for-russias-nuclear-submarine-fleet/

    The slow pace of Yasen class production is the main responsible. The sooner this extremely expensive class is superseded by Husky class, the better.

    Do you have some info about the deployment date of S-500? AFAIK is behind schedule.

    Nothing more than available in open media. The so called “shift to the right” in procurement is nothing special as a commonplace in any serious new military technology. It may happen in 2020, it may get delayed to 2021.

    On the other hand, considering you assertion about the control of the Artic sea line, may you provide some info about trend of the Russian SSN fleet? AFAIL, the SSBN fleet is rejuvenating with the steady addition of Boreys, but the SSN, fleet, necessary to control sea lines, is aging

    https://warisboring.com/a-grim-future-for-russias-nuclear-submarine-fleet/

    1. Do not trust much War Is Boring re: Russia
    2. Especially do not trust “assessments” from BMPD–all of them there are utterly unqualified people (as many of their previous “assessments” testify to, not to mention their biographies) and the only thing they are good for is being a military news clearing house.–that is the only real value of their blog.

    So, as per Yasen, project 885. Of course it is expensive but considering that 1 is already in service, two already afloat and four are building, with the last one being laid down in July 2017 and expected in the fleet by 2024, I don’t see that much of a problem with, say Arctic SLOCs. The reason being of Russia’s SSK component. Just one example, Pacific Fleet will get their own brand new 6 of Pr. 636 SSKs soon and the tempo of construction of those is good. So, the future is anything but “grim” as WIB site suggests. I am by far more interested in the final decision on the two hulls of Sierra-class, Project 945 SSNs. In other words, Russia will have enough force, especially when one considers that Arctic SLOC are well within the reach of Russia’s ASW-Patrol Aviation, I see no big problems. Moreover, while theoretically Russian Navy may consider operations on SLOC, I think that most important and by far task for it is the ability to provide both nuclear and non-nuclear strategic containment against NATO and that is a very long and separate discussion. You can read some of my opinions in my United States Naval Institutes Proceedings and Blog publications.

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    Are SSK well suites to Artic operations? They can't go far from bases and can operate near the Barents sea, but beyon that? Shuka-B are better suited to go to the Kara and Laptev seas.
    Let Antey and Yasen just go hunting carrier groups
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  197. Dmitry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    PS. How would the Russian radar operators in Syria know if the Israeli missiles just launched are aimed at Russia or Iran?
     
    Russian air and missile defense assets are tightly integrated into much larger system of Command and Control of VKS. Imagine, using American analogy, a high school football team--that is the "integrated" defenses of which Iraq, Libya and even Syria, of which Western MSM love so much to talk about. Now get from high-school football team to Dallas Cowboys--that is the difference. Space assets, over the horizon radar, A-50Us both on call and discreet, overlapping radar fields, system of optronic sensors of AD systems themselves--it is second and not far behind only to the American early warning systems. In terms of radar I would say it is better. Just to give you a "feel" Russian VKS command can and does see any aircraft, missile or what have you taking off in 3 000 km range. In reality even much further. But that is a very long discussion on matters of a true Netcentric Warfare. and modern C4ISR complex.

    I am not your friend and looks like you finally tried to do your due diligence and finally figured out the difference between the boost (post-boost) and terminal phases–otherwise you would never have posted such a BS about TERMINAL intercept A-135 when speaking about S-400., which, BTW, is also capable of terminal and is currently (two regiments IIRC) on the combat watch around Moscow. I like your maneuver again.

    I am not your friend

    I was being polite, not literal – I try to give people ‘the benefit of the doubt’ on the internet.

    S-400 placed in Syria, is not capable of intercepting ICBM flying from Israel to Russia (which is an absurd scenario either way).

    S-400 intercepts in terminal phase. It intercepts within less than 1000km of the target (so you place it in the country which might be targeted – within range of the target site),

    40N6 can intercept up to medium-range range ballistic missiles (not ICBM).

    Placing it in a country thousands of kilometers away from the alleged target, means it has no ability to intercept ballistic missiles landing in the alleged target country.

    Boost phase interception systems also do not yet exist – it’s an area for future research.

    -
    As for S-400
    48N6 is capable of “destoying medium-range ballistic missiles with a maximum range of 3,500-km flying at 4,800 meters per second, at a distance of 5 to 60 km and
    an altitude of 2 to 27 km.”

    http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pdffiles/pub1277.pdf

    -

    For intercepting ICBMs, there will soon be S-500, and currently just A-135 system.

    You know what? All my life I was a supporter, conditional at that, of Israel’s statehood, now–I don’t know. It seems most of Israel’s top brass IS a collection of angry men to such a degree that not only they played a key role in the American foreign policy dangerous insanity but destabilized not only the region (this is an axiom) but supports ISIS butchers and cooperates nicely with this hell-hole of KSA in murdering and displacing millions of people from Iraq to Syria. So, I don’t know, now to close this off–Kreveld is an angry person (a defining characteristic of many Israeli politicians and military) but he sure as a hell is a prominent one and I will defer to his, however angry, opinion than read your “clarifications”.

    He’s talking about Palestinian suicide bomb attacks in Israel – and then bombing Rome. It is not a nuclear doctrine – it is an angry statement the same as.

    As for actual nuclear doctrine. You ‘cannot reinvent’ wheel with nuclear doctrine. All same principles of MAD (‘Mutually Assured Destruction’) apply to Israel, as to the US, as to India, as to North Korea, as to China, as to Pakistan, etc.

    As for Israel acting angrily and so on.

    The only time nuclear was ever considered was in October 1973 – when the country was being invaded.

    And in this case it was not used – Israeli leader stayed calm, until conventional methods were exhausted.

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5122006

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  198. @Cloak And Dagger

    I have read about the several Russian attempts to give Jews there own autonomous areas in the 17oos that all failed but hadn’t heard of this one.
     
    A land without people for a people without land. They should have taken that one instead of stealing from and making enemies of the arabs.

    Jews wanted Georgia and they demanded it through Stalin’s wife.(She was Jewess)
    Georgia was Stalin’s birthplace. Stalin’s wife was so persisting until Stalin got so pissed of that he killed her. So Jews did not get Georgia but they got Biribidzan.
    Stalin’s daughter Svetlana Stalin emigrated to the west, and she wrote a book about the affair.

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  199. Aedib says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Do you have some info about the deployment date of S-500? AFAIK is behind schedule.
     
    Nothing more than available in open media. The so called "shift to the right" in procurement is nothing special as a commonplace in any serious new military technology. It may happen in 2020, it may get delayed to 2021.

    On the other hand, considering you assertion about the control of the Artic sea line, may you provide some info about trend of the Russian SSN fleet? AFAIL, the SSBN fleet is rejuvenating with the steady addition of Boreys, but the SSN, fleet, necessary to control sea lines, is aging

    https://warisboring.com/a-grim-future-for-russias-nuclear-submarine-fleet/
     
    1. Do not trust much War Is Boring re: Russia
    2. Especially do not trust "assessments" from BMPD--all of them there are utterly unqualified people (as many of their previous "assessments" testify to, not to mention their biographies) and the only thing they are good for is being a military news clearing house.--that is the only real value of their blog.

    So, as per Yasen, project 885. Of course it is expensive but considering that 1 is already in service, two already afloat and four are building, with the last one being laid down in July 2017 and expected in the fleet by 2024, I don't see that much of a problem with, say Arctic SLOCs. The reason being of Russia's SSK component. Just one example, Pacific Fleet will get their own brand new 6 of Pr. 636 SSKs soon and the tempo of construction of those is good. So, the future is anything but "grim" as WIB site suggests. I am by far more interested in the final decision on the two hulls of Sierra-class, Project 945 SSNs. In other words, Russia will have enough force, especially when one considers that Arctic SLOC are well within the reach of Russia's ASW-Patrol Aviation, I see no big problems. Moreover, while theoretically Russian Navy may consider operations on SLOC, I think that most important and by far task for it is the ability to provide both nuclear and non-nuclear strategic containment against NATO and that is a very long and separate discussion. You can read some of my opinions in my United States Naval Institutes Proceedings and Blog publications.

    Are SSK well suites to Artic operations? They can’t go far from bases and can operate near the Barents sea, but beyon that? Shuka-B are better suited to go to the Kara and Laptev seas.
    Let Antey and Yasen just go hunting carrier groups

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    Are SSK well suites to Artic operations?
     
    Granted the presence of submarine support vessels--possible. Plus, SSKs from Linakhamari during Cold War played a key role in ASW of both a very large operational area in Arctic, plus they deployed both to Med and even took part in Cuban Missile Crisis--namely four pr. 641 of 69th BRPL. In the end, pr. 641B (IIRC NATO-Tango) also were used extensively as defenders of bastions.

    Shuka-B are better suited to go to the Kara and Laptev seas.
    Let Antey and Yasen just go hunting carrier groups
     
    Obviously pr. 971 are beasts and are capable of operating anywhere pretty much, but out of all operational 949A four are being "Kalibrated" for this very mission of both nuclear and non-nuclear containment--and that means an ability to strike continental United States. As per 885, same + operating in CBGs forward deployment areas. Generally, with 3M22, not to speak of fully operational air-launched X-32, going on-line as I type this REAL CBG threat becomes rather overstated. A lot also depends on the ice cap situation--it is a huge factor.
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  200. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Yes, Putin is a sly fox. That’s why he punches way above his country’s weight. That’s also why he often loses points in the eyes of his citizens, who are not sly enough and cannot read his mind.

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  201. yurivku says:

    You’d feel very comfortable in Afula, Dmitry. Shall I reserve a chair for you at one of the Russian Orthodox churches?

    FYI – there are not any chairs in Russian churches. All visitors are standing on theirs feet. Probably all your knowledge of Russian realities is like this.

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  202. Moi says:

    Quite simply, Putin is a wimp pretending he is the head of a great power.

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  203. @Aedib
    Are SSK well suites to Artic operations? They can't go far from bases and can operate near the Barents sea, but beyon that? Shuka-B are better suited to go to the Kara and Laptev seas.
    Let Antey and Yasen just go hunting carrier groups

    Are SSK well suites to Artic operations?

    Granted the presence of submarine support vessels–possible. Plus, SSKs from Linakhamari during Cold War played a key role in ASW of both a very large operational area in Arctic, plus they deployed both to Med and even took part in Cuban Missile Crisis–namely four pr. 641 of 69th BRPL. In the end, pr. 641B (IIRC NATO-Tango) also were used extensively as defenders of bastions.

    Shuka-B are better suited to go to the Kara and Laptev seas.
    Let Antey and Yasen just go hunting carrier groups

    Obviously pr. 971 are beasts and are capable of operating anywhere pretty much, but out of all operational 949A four are being “Kalibrated” for this very mission of both nuclear and non-nuclear containment–and that means an ability to strike continental United States. As per 885, same + operating in CBGs forward deployment areas. Generally, with 3M22, not to speak of fully operational air-launched X-32, going on-line as I type this REAL CBG threat becomes rather overstated. A lot also depends on the ice cap situation–it is a huge factor.

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    Do you know how 971s will be modernized? Will the use torpedo-tube launched Kalibrs?
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  204. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.
     
    A bit of a "curate's egg" of a piece. It starts off with a lengthy and rather overstated set of excuses, essentially, for Russia not acting precipitately to protect its de facto allies Syria and Hezbollah from ongoing Israeli aggression. The points he makes are not wholly wrong, they are just unbalanced by the relevant and valid counter arguments, and he jumps straight from whether Russia can stop the attacks to whether it has a "moral obligation" to do so without considering what is actually important here - whether Russia has an interest in doing so. In fact there are good reasons for Russia to seek to deter such Israeli attacks, as and when that can be achieved effectively and safely.

    The reasons are primarily that these attacks impose significant costs and disruption on important regional Russian allies just at the time when those allies are trying to mop up and recover from years of debilitating warfare, counter to Russia's interests, and also that they further the US "might makes right" lawless approach to international relations (exemplified by the Kosovo and Iraq wars, and Israel's behaviour generally) over Russia's preferred multilateral law-based one that complies with all parties' UN Charter commitments. Further if there is an attempt by the US's allies to destroy Russia's allies in the region, the stronger Syrian air defences are and the better their performance against Israeli/US air power, the better for Russia because the greater the costs imposed upon the US and its proxies.

    As for "moral obligations", this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda, but if it is going to be raised then the situation is certainly not as clear cut as Saker pretends. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have fought shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the same enemies and that creates a moral obligation, for whatever that is worth (very little in reality).

    However, after making what seems to be a one sided apologia for Russia Saker then contradicts himself by pointing out what Russia most likely actually is doing (certainly it would seem to me to be the most sensible approach):


    This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

    Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

    So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.
     

    Agree. The article is a mixture of good analysis and almost childish, emotional outbursts like this:

    This is the one which most baffles me. Why in the world would anybody think that Russia owes anybody anywhere on the planet any type of protection?! For starters, when is the last time somebody came to the help of Russia?

    The sane answer is that Russia “owes” it to itself. They, along with China, are the ultimate targets of the Tribe. Syria and Iran are just the stepping stones. If Russia wants to survive, it needs allies and it won’t have any if it can’t offer certain measure of protection to them. So while I agree with his conclusion that Russia shouldn’t attack those planes now, the reason is certainly not “why should they do anything”.

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  205. Russia deploys four S-400 missile defense systems to Syria

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/01/23/549954/russia-s400-missile-syria

    The Russian military has deployed four units of its state-of-the-art S-400 anti-aircraft missile defensive systems to Syria.

    In the videos published by the Russian Defense Ministry on Tuesday, two of the four units can be seen being delivered to the Hmeimim airbase in Syria’s coastal province of Latakia.

    The two other units were shipped to the Russian maritime facility located in Syria’s Mediterranean coastal city of Tartus.

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  206. Robjil says:
    @Hubbard

    Truth is that the bad “hombres” know what you & other good “hombres” know about the Tartus Agreement arithmetic.
     
    I would like to further the scenario from our side, the other side of the coin.

    Remember, Tammy once made the comment that the Russians were kicked out from Middle East (ME) after the war of 1973 by Evil Kissinger. All Arab countries including Iran, put everything into it. Remember, the Oil Embargo in 1973. After that the Saudi Arabia King was assassinated and then Shah was removed from power.

    The Arab had won the war and the existence of Israel was threatened. Nixon did nothing and in the end the Evil Kissinger had to pull the rabbit out of the hole for which was Watergate. Nixon was forced to airlift supplies and manpower to Israel by air, massive amounts, and the Egyptian Army was encircled. Basically, the Arabs with Iran lost. Nixon had to be punished.

    The conditions for peace for Arabs were to kick out the Russian, and buy their military equipment from USA. The equipment given to Israel were much, more superior, thus Arabs can no longer be a threat. Their manpower to be trained by USA. Egypt, Syria and Jordan to sign peace treaties with Israel.

    Israel reneged on Golan Heights, thus only Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaties with Israel, this basically broke the axis of resistance and Syria was left out in cold with no more military hardware.

    Things were going good, then 9/11 happened and USA realized who the real enemy was! Muslims took the blame for 9/11. Taliban and Saddam were removed and the Shia crescent was empowered tactically with the approval of Sunni. Things look chaotic as chaos were created everywhere, including Syria. Crimea was given to Russia and they were brought back to Middle East. Especially, their non-functioning base in Tartus was empowered. Today, Iran is at the doorsteps of Israel, if you catch my drift where I am going. 9/11 opened the eyes of our government, and we are no longer dumb asses as portrayed by Saker.

    So, cheer up good things are on the way. Yes, my favorite music is Rock and I listen to it very, very loud as this is how Rock is to be played at high volumes and hindsight is 20/20.

    Keep on marching Christian Solider.....

    911 didn’t open our eyes in the west. Read Solving 911 by Chris Bollyn. That will open the Orwellian eyes of the mockingbird western crowd. Crimea wasn’t given to Russia. The people Crimea were given a chance to vote in 2014, something they were not given in 1954. Nuland’s choice gave the people of Crimea a chance to vote for their destiny.

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  207. Aedib says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Are SSK well suites to Artic operations?
     
    Granted the presence of submarine support vessels--possible. Plus, SSKs from Linakhamari during Cold War played a key role in ASW of both a very large operational area in Arctic, plus they deployed both to Med and even took part in Cuban Missile Crisis--namely four pr. 641 of 69th BRPL. In the end, pr. 641B (IIRC NATO-Tango) also were used extensively as defenders of bastions.

    Shuka-B are better suited to go to the Kara and Laptev seas.
    Let Antey and Yasen just go hunting carrier groups
     
    Obviously pr. 971 are beasts and are capable of operating anywhere pretty much, but out of all operational 949A four are being "Kalibrated" for this very mission of both nuclear and non-nuclear containment--and that means an ability to strike continental United States. As per 885, same + operating in CBGs forward deployment areas. Generally, with 3M22, not to speak of fully operational air-launched X-32, going on-line as I type this REAL CBG threat becomes rather overstated. A lot also depends on the ice cap situation--it is a huge factor.

    Do you know how 971s will be modernized? Will the use torpedo-tube launched Kalibrs?

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    Will the use torpedo-tube launched Kalibrs?
     
    Yes. Modernization of 971s involves precisely installation of Kalibr equipment. Possibly Zircon 3M22. Plus there are some major upgrades to electronic suites for other purposes. This is as much as I know.
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  208. @Aedib
    Do you know how 971s will be modernized? Will the use torpedo-tube launched Kalibrs?

    Will the use torpedo-tube launched Kalibrs?

    Yes. Modernization of 971s involves precisely installation of Kalibr equipment. Possibly Zircon 3M22. Plus there are some major upgrades to electronic suites for other purposes. This is as much as I know.

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  209. @Randal

    As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.
     
    A bit of a "curate's egg" of a piece. It starts off with a lengthy and rather overstated set of excuses, essentially, for Russia not acting precipitately to protect its de facto allies Syria and Hezbollah from ongoing Israeli aggression. The points he makes are not wholly wrong, they are just unbalanced by the relevant and valid counter arguments, and he jumps straight from whether Russia can stop the attacks to whether it has a "moral obligation" to do so without considering what is actually important here - whether Russia has an interest in doing so. In fact there are good reasons for Russia to seek to deter such Israeli attacks, as and when that can be achieved effectively and safely.

    The reasons are primarily that these attacks impose significant costs and disruption on important regional Russian allies just at the time when those allies are trying to mop up and recover from years of debilitating warfare, counter to Russia's interests, and also that they further the US "might makes right" lawless approach to international relations (exemplified by the Kosovo and Iraq wars, and Israel's behaviour generally) over Russia's preferred multilateral law-based one that complies with all parties' UN Charter commitments. Further if there is an attempt by the US's allies to destroy Russia's allies in the region, the stronger Syrian air defences are and the better their performance against Israeli/US air power, the better for Russia because the greater the costs imposed upon the US and its proxies.

    As for "moral obligations", this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda, but if it is going to be raised then the situation is certainly not as clear cut as Saker pretends. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have fought shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the same enemies and that creates a moral obligation, for whatever that is worth (very little in reality).

    However, after making what seems to be a one sided apologia for Russia Saker then contradicts himself by pointing out what Russia most likely actually is doing (certainly it would seem to me to be the most sensible approach):


    This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

    Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

    So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.
     

    If Israel is illegitimate as the International Community of Orthodox Jews states, let’s pray for Christ’s return and the destruction of evil, to include Israel.

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  210. It amazes me you have to say any of this really, well it would if I wasn’t used to the idiots on the net by now.

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  211. What is provable beyond reasonable doubt is that Israel poses the greatest threat to world peace and any semblance of liberty, given the racist genocidal teachings of their Talmud, the basis of their culture, and therefore, if Putin is no choir boy is beside the point.

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  212. War criminal Henry Kissinger is Putin’s mentor — that should tell you something right there. They (Zionists) are all in a grand charade, where they care not how many millions they kill or harm (children are their prime targets for their satanic empowering ritual) on their way to world conquest–which they have already scripted to the “end times”:

    http://citizensamericaparty.org/EndTimesShow.htm

    Putin is playing the “good” Christian, but when certain things happen as described at the above link, the crypto Jew Zionist will then turn anti-Christ.

    Be aware of the hidden elements and connections scripting the whole thing — like the Chabad-Lubavitch and Mossad.

    Now you know why he is ‘allowing’ Israel to bomb Syria — he is in with them / one of them.

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  213. adude says:
    @Randal

    As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.
     
    A bit of a "curate's egg" of a piece. It starts off with a lengthy and rather overstated set of excuses, essentially, for Russia not acting precipitately to protect its de facto allies Syria and Hezbollah from ongoing Israeli aggression. The points he makes are not wholly wrong, they are just unbalanced by the relevant and valid counter arguments, and he jumps straight from whether Russia can stop the attacks to whether it has a "moral obligation" to do so without considering what is actually important here - whether Russia has an interest in doing so. In fact there are good reasons for Russia to seek to deter such Israeli attacks, as and when that can be achieved effectively and safely.

    The reasons are primarily that these attacks impose significant costs and disruption on important regional Russian allies just at the time when those allies are trying to mop up and recover from years of debilitating warfare, counter to Russia's interests, and also that they further the US "might makes right" lawless approach to international relations (exemplified by the Kosovo and Iraq wars, and Israel's behaviour generally) over Russia's preferred multilateral law-based one that complies with all parties' UN Charter commitments. Further if there is an attempt by the US's allies to destroy Russia's allies in the region, the stronger Syrian air defences are and the better their performance against Israeli/US air power, the better for Russia because the greater the costs imposed upon the US and its proxies.

    As for "moral obligations", this really has no place in such discussions except as propaganda, but if it is going to be raised then the situation is certainly not as clear cut as Saker pretends. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have fought shoulder to shoulder with Russia against the same enemies and that creates a moral obligation, for whatever that is worth (very little in reality).

    However, after making what seems to be a one sided apologia for Russia Saker then contradicts himself by pointing out what Russia most likely actually is doing (certainly it would seem to me to be the most sensible approach):


    This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

    First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware. They are also, of course, training Syrian crews. This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month. First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

    Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically. For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to. Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

    Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the US have been demanding all along. This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the US and Israel are not even invited.

    So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.
     

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=putin+and+jews&t=ffnt&atb=v89-7_w&iax=images&ia=images

    Well if texxe marrs is right , america will eventually nuke “itsrealyhell
    Both countries are not in bed with the “jews” , they are NOT jews according to the bible , but by man made traditions

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  214. John Hawk says:

    I’m a big fan of the Saker’s work. That said, contemplate on why NoddinYahoo runs to Moscow as the Khazarian Mafia’s Ambassador of Bullshyte to have an important meeting with Pres. Putin: to give this message…

    ‘Vlad, you need to agree to our agenda…or else’

    ‘Bibi, your agenda is corrupt, why would Russians agree to it…your agenda slaughtered 60 million of us’

    ‘Vlad, that’s the past…fo’git about it’

    ‘Bibi, did you take your meds today?’

    ‘Vlad, you s-o-b, how do you know about that?!’

    ‘Bibi, you’d be surprised what the Russian people know…so go home with this advice: be careful, very careful who you insult and demean….remember Bibi, you reap what you sow, and your balance sheet is way overdue for an adjustment…’

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  215. Russia is not trying anything “Imperialistic” because the time for that is over. Is a waste of time to play tit-for-tat kids games.
    Now is about society, agricolture, industry and schools, the ground to play domination. Be aware.

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