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Finally. After weeks of grueling combat the Syrian armed forces have liberated the Kuweyres air base in northern Syria. This is a huge victory for the Syrians because during the 2.5 year long siege of the airbase it had become an important symbol of the Syrian determination to resist the Takfiris in general and, especially, because Daesh which had deployed its best fighters to maintain the siege of the base and prevents its liberation. In fact, the Takfiris did resist with everything they had up to the last moment. For those of you interested in video and photos of the combats and liberation of Kuweyres I would recommend the site of Colonel Cassad and specifically these posts: (in Russian)

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2472071.html

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2470426.html

Many of these images and videos are for a “mature audience” only, but they do convey the sense of victory for the Syrian side and I highly recommend watching them. Up to this moment all the succeses of the Syrian armed forces were limited in importance whereas the liberation of Kuweyres not only represents a huge moral victory for the Syrians, but it also has an “operational significance” meaning that it actually changes the shape and dynamic of the front (click here for a high resolution map of the area). Put simply: the Syrian have now seized the initiative from Daesh and they are now on the offensive. As for Daesh, they now have to allocate their forces to prevent the Syrians from further exploiting their success in Kuweyres. Most observers, including myself, were hoping for, or even expecting, such a development, but now it has finally happened. This is very, very good news.

There was, by the way, an interesting if little noticed side story to this event: according to the Russian military, the “moderate opposition” gave key intelligence to the Russian to target the “terrorists” around the airbase. Here is what RT reported about that:

Syrian government forces received intelligence on terrorist positions around the besieged Kweires airbase from opposition sources, which helped them lift the two-year blockade, the Russian Defense Ministry has revealed. “This airfield had been surrounded by ISIS [the former name of the Islamic State terrorist group] for two years,” Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian defense ministry, said in a daily briefing. “Intelligence on the locations of the terrorist fire positions and support points around Kweires was provided by the Syrian opposition and cleared by the communication center in Baghdad.” Lifting the siege on the airbase in Aleppo provinces has been one of the biggest victories for Damascus since Russia started providing air support for Syrian government forces. The opposition also provided data to help target a big weapons depot of the Nusra Front, the Syrian branch of Al Qaeda, near the village Mheen in the Homs province, Konashenkov revealed.

For one thing, as far as I know, the so-called “moderate opposition” is mostly a myth, and to the degree that it does exist, it is in Turkey and in London. Furthermore, I don’t remember the so-called FSA playing any major role around Kuweyres. So what is going on here?

Well, maybe the Russians just made up this putative intelligence sharing in order to show that they are working hand-in-glove with the “moderate opposition” or, which is far more likely, some folks associated with Daesh felt that the tide was turning and decided to re-brand themselves as “moderates” and gave the Russians some intel in exchange for money and life. This kind of sudden “coat turning” is typical of the Takfiris and the Russians saw plenty of that in Afghanistan. If my guess is correct, then this further goes to show that Daesh is beginning to seriously hurt under the combined effects of the Russian and Syrian offensives. Again, this is very good news indeed.

Hassan Nasrallah, the Secretary General of Hezbollah, also immediately declared that the liberation of the Kuweyres airbase shows the “resilience, strength, determination, and vigor of the soldiers and officers of the Syrian Arab Army”. He is right.

There is no overstating the heroism of the Syrians who fought and refused to surrender even though they had no meds and minimum food and supplies But then, since they would not surrender, their only options were to fight to the end or die. And they fought, alone, for over two years. This is why the first Russian reporter who got into Kuweyres wrote “У сирийцев теперь есть свой Сталинград” (the Syrians now have their own Stalingrad).

Having taken Kuweyres, the Syrian army continued its offensive and, according to the latest reports, the Syrians have no also liberated the towns of al-Hader and al-Heis. Following this latest Syrian victory, a Takfiri commander blamed it on the Russian Air Force and declaredThe heavy aerial bombardment of Al Hader and the surrounding area gave us no choice but to retreat, but these are to-and-fro battles, where we win ground one day and the next day we lose it“. Maybe.

Still, it is way too early to celebrate. Following weeks of intense fighting and only tactical victories, the Syrians have now achieved their first operational breakthrough, but they will need several more before they can contemplate a strategic offensive against Daesh. This is something which the USA and, even more so, Turkey and Qatar are going to try to prevent with everything they have got. Here again, it is important to repeat, that the very small Russian force in Syria does not have the means to, for example, prevent Turkey from moving its forces into Syria.

ORDER IT NOW

At this point in time, I would judge Turkey and Qatar as even more dangerous than the USA. Why? Because they both put way too much prestige and, especially, money into ousting Assad and building a pipeline across Syria to link their two countries and they know that as long as Assad or any other secular regime remains in power in Damascus they can forget about it. In fact, if the Russian-Iranian-Syrian-Iraqi-Hezbollah alliance is successful in flushing out Daesh from Syria, were will all the Takfiri freaks go? The risk here is not only for Turkey, but even for the Saudis!

In contrast, Obama will soon be gone anyway and its not like the USA has a real national strategic interest in Syria (unless you assume that pleasing AIPAC is such a vital goal). Yes, it would be humiliating for the “indispensable nation” to miserably fail only to have a “local power” like Russia brilliantly succeed, but this humiliation can always be blamed on the outgoing Administration and used to get more votes. As for the US “deep state”, it knows that it can work with Assad only because it used to work with him very nicely before it decided to dump him (Assad even tortured “rendered” suspects on behalf of the CIA!). So keeping Assad in power might be humiliating but not much more than all the other humiliation the AngloZionst Empire already had to suffer at the hands of Putin.

Speaking of Putin, he made an important statement this week: while initially Russian officials had declared that the Russian military operations would last approximately 3 months, Putin has now declared that “the duration of stay of our military will be determined solely depending on the time this objective is achieved”. This could indicate a far longer Russian involvement.

I might be mistaken, in fact, I hope that I am, but I don’t see how Daesh could be defeated without an increase of the size of the Russian military force in Syria and, especially, an increase in the number of Iranians supporting the Syrians on the ground. Nobody will be happier than me if I am proven wrong, believe me.

Final event this week: it appears that the Russians are further digging in and that they have now deployed S-400 missile system on their base in Khmeimim. Depending on how you look at it, this either doubles the air defense capabilities of the Russian naval task force off the Syrian coast, or frees the guided missile cruiser Moskva for other tasks. Curiously, Russian officials have denied that S-400s are deployed in Syria. Either way, this is good news as the the deeper the Russian dig in into their positions, the harder it will be to threaten them. All in all, a very good week for the resistance to Empire and there is real possibility that the next couple of weeks will see even bigger progress.

 
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  1. Daniel H says:

    >>Hezbollah alliance is successful in flushing out Daesh from Syria, were will all the Takfiri freaks go? The risk here is not only for Turkey, but even for the Saudis!

    If ISIS turns its attention to Saudi Arabia that will be the one and only thing I will wish them luck with.

    ISIS and Saudi Arabia deserve one another.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt, Vendetta, Bliss
  2. Kiza says:

    Putin has now declared that “the duration of stay of our military will be determined solely depending on the time this objective is achieved”. This could indicate a far longer Russian involvement

    This has been my main complaint from the start – your unwarranted optimism of a military intervention – that it will be over in three months (not your words, but you quoted this uncritically). Thus, your format of weekly updates could survive the first couple of months, but then it would have to turn into monthly summaries, quarterly summaries, annual summaries.

    Saker, you have written excellent material on 1113 in Paris, why did you not incorporate this tragedy into this summary when 1113 was obviously only about the situation in Syria. If 1113 this was a false-flag, like possibly the 911 was, then it will be a casus belli for the French la gauche caviar (the French neocons Bernard-Henri Lévy, Bernard Kushner etc) just like the previous one was for the US neocons. Different target, same method.

    In other words, it is true that the French and even the US have no strong reason to get deeper involved in Syria, but will the Zionists let them stay put? The French aircraft carrier is on the way to Syria. You did not really think that Israel would fight the Russians for Syria themselves when they have all these puppets on strings, did you now?

    Naturally, maybe Paris 1113 was really an action by ISIS independently of the Israelis, but whoever did it, chose a perfect time to get the West re-interested in rolling back the Russian success and smashing up Syria into pieces, to be taken by the sponsors of terrorism.

  3. annamaria says:

    “the French neocons Bernard-Henri Lévy, Bernard Kushner etc… The French aircraft carrier is on the way to Syria. You did not really think that Israel would fight the Russians for Syria themselves when they have all these puppets on strings, did you now?”

    This sounds as acceleration of Armageddon’ approach. Neither Israel nor the US care about Europe. The US’ deep state is infested with too many “chosen” dreaming of the mythical (and supremacist) state of Israel. And then there are considerable mineral deposits in the Middle East… Who would believe that the Russian Federation assume a role of a righteous David against a perfidious Goliath (US/EU/Israel)? But here we are. The military-financial complex is set up for confrontation. The beauty of the situation is the Israel’ close geographic proximity to the center of actions. Let’s hope that the smart heads of the former Soviets in Israel would be able to figure out how to withstand the push of the US’ “chosen” towards the Armageddon.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  4. annamaria says:
    @Daniel H

    Where is Israel in this picture?

    “The secretary general of Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah says those who have supported ISIL are now finding out the extent of its brutality. Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah condemned the terrorist attacks in Paris and expressed solidarity with the French people. He also slammed Thursday’s bombings in Beirut. Nasrallah said Israel and ISIL are trying to ignite a war in Lebanon. He noted that the ISIL attack in Beirut was meant to pressure Hezbollah to withdraw from the battle against terrorism in Syria.”

    http://thesaker.is/hezbollah-secretary-general-sayyad-hassan-nasrallah-speaks-about-the-bombing-in-beirut-and-paris/

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @Vendetta
  5. @Daniel H

    All that energy has to go somewhere. Saudi would be the end of much of the economy, but remove a giant source of instability.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  6. Rehmat says:

    The anti-Muslim world is giving all the credit to Russia for the defeat of US-Israel created ISIL in Syria. In fact the said defeat began over 18-month ago as result of Lebanese Hizbullah fighters joining Syrian army to defend Syrian borders.

    This reality has been recognized by former US president Jimmy Carter in Op-Ed at the ‘Jew York times’ on October 26, 2015.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/02/jimmy-carter-no-peace-in-syria-without-irans-help/

  7. Sherman says:
    @annamaria

    “Where is Israel in this picture?”

    Israel is not in this picture you psychopath.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @annamaria
  8. Chaban says:

    The Faker… way off the mark. Again!

    Breaking news: Obama and Putin just reached an agreement on political transition in Syria.

  9. Vendetta says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Hopefully by then we’d have the sense to come to terms with Iran and import from them instead.

  10. Vendetta says:
    @annamaria

    They’re fools. Hezbollah will be redouble its commitment to Syria. As they’ve said before, if these freaks win in Syria, Lebanon is next.

  11. Vendetta says:
    @annamaria

    Israel has been too afraid to even fight Hezbollah a second time. They were too afraid to launch air strikes against Iran on their own.

    No way they’re starting a war with Russia. They will seize any little opportunities they can take advantage of, but being evil does not necessarily make you insane.

    They’ve always been very cold, rational actors who’ve placed self-preservation above all else. Know thy enemy.

  12. Vendetta says:

    Now is the time for Putin and Lavrov to make a major diplomatic outreach to the French people. Some sort of touching gesture to show them that their government has been misleading them and that Russia is not an enemy, and will be their steadfast ally if they accept a partnership against ISIS terror.

  13. Vendetta says:
    @Daniel H

    The Saudis already have their “anti-ISIS” fence up along the border. I joined in mocking it at the time as a boondoggle Arab Maginot Line at the time, useless as a defense against ISIS.

    Turns out those damn bastards are smarter than we gave them credit for. It is useless against ISIS, but it has worked perfectly as an anti-refugee barrier. They knew what would happen.

  14. Art says:
    @Sherman

    “Where is Israel in this picture?”

    Israel is not in this picture you psychopath.

    Hi Sherm,

    Thanks so much for reinforcing the stereotypical Israeli Jew image – belligerent, angry, and put-a-pone – we can always count on you boy.

    Yours – Art

    p.s. How’s the beach today – happy days for you – are you’ll celebrating Paris?

    • Replies: @Sherman
  15. Sherman says:
    @Art

    Hi Little Art,

    Nah, I’m skipping the beach today.

    What are you doing in the trailer park today?

    Sherman

    • Replies: @Art
  16. Even if Russia has not put S-400 systems in Syria the possibility of it is going to have an effect. They are formidable weapons and would give second thoughts to an attacker.

    The smart thing for Russia would be to display a lesser system and bring in the S-400 unawares.

  17. Question for the Saker.

    If France, Britain and the US launch or intensify their bombing in Syria, what are the chances of a clash with Russian forces, accidental or otherwise? Whats teps as Moscow taken to minimise this possibility?

    • Replies: @Kiza
  18. Kiza says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    Probably an equally valid question is: what have the Western governments done to hide from the domestic population the possibility of a clash with the Russian forces, when they attack the Syrian infrastructure, which belongs to the Syrian government or the Syrian Arab Army facilities? The Israeli Airforce attacked the SAA at Damascus Airport just a week or so ago. How long can the Western regime changers keep the fog in front of the population’s eyes through their MSM? How long can they pretend?

  19. Art says:
    @Sherman

    “What are you doing in the trailer park today?”

    Hi Sherm,

    Thanks for asking – its been quiet for a couple of hours – no squad cars.

    Yahoo! Stayed out of jail last night.

    Fixing dinner – my favorite – PORK and beans.

    Yours – Art

    p.s. Prayed for you Little Jew, and the poor Christian Zionist televangelists this morning. Three hours on my knees next to my cot watching my 9” TV.

  20. annamaria says:
    @Sherman

    You are looking for psychopaths in a wrong place. Try Kristols and Kagans, the convenient ideologists for Cheney’s wars. And do not forget Bibi, Bennett, and Avi Lieberman.
    And why so much anger and the pedestrian rudeness? If you do not agree with the statement, then try to refute it: “Nasrallah said Israel and ISIL are trying to ignite a war in Lebanon.”
    Here is an excerpt from a detailed and informed comment on the complexities of the situation in the Middle East: “The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
    Here, the Haaretz talks about the recent terrorist act in Beirut: “Hezbollah vowed to continue its fight against “terrorists”… You see, when Lebanon is attacked by ISIS jihadis, they are not real terrorists but “terrorists.” http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.685757

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
  21. @Chaban

    Yeah I read that. It seems Putin is ready to throw Assad under the bus if need be. Folks think there is an opposition to globalization, but there is none. These so called alternative websites are just part of the coin in getting folks to think that there are actually forces out there opposed to this, while they are part of the process as well. If the stakes were so big, Putin would have acted on both Ukraine and Syria with more bold action, but he can’t even put S-400s n Syria to protect his own people, much less the Syrian Army.

  22. @Chaban

    As with the GOP and the Democratic Party in America, Putin and co are a false opposition to the advancement of globalization. If there was indeed a fight against globalization I think Putin and co would be a bit more bolder in there geopolitics. I see no grand alliance being made as it seems the BRIC nations area all in bed with the West, with maybe the exception of Russia, but if in fact Putin is throwing Assad under the bus , it means one thing. In reality, he is one of them!!!!!!

    • Replies: @Chaban
  23. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:
    @annamaria

    I remember when Cartmanesque individuals like you claimed that all of the dictators in the region were part of an evil Israeli masterplan to rule the region through proxies.

    Indeed you probably still do, as with Sisi…

    • Replies: @annamaria
  24. Rurik says:

    BRIC nations area all in bed with the West, with maybe the exception of Russia, but if in fact Putin is throwing Assad under the bus

    that’s a big ‘if’

    Putin’s rhetoric aligns too closely with his actions for me to believe it’s all a ruse. From his poll numbers, the Russian people agree. Also from what I’ve seen Assad can be a singular asshole. Perhaps Putin agrees and can only see a viable future with a less shady regime. Just because Israel wants Assad gone, doesn’t mean he’s a great guy. But from what I’ve seen, the people of Syria, at least in the west of the country, like him and want him to stay, and I’d think that is good enough for Putin. Not only for trite reasons of ‘democracy’, but for more realistic reasons of statecraft.

    as far as the BRICs, it sure seems like China is increasingly less willing to play the part of chump to the US/West/Fed/Rothschild

    yet, I await news of this mysterious deal Putin has possibly made with the Zio-west

    perhaps it is the west that has capitulated..

    • Replies: @5371
  25. annamaria says:
    @This Is Our Home

    “…individuals like you claimed that all of the dictators in the region were part of an evil Israeli masterplan to rule the region through proxies.”
    Do not remember that anyone (including me) has ever claimed that Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt have been ruled by Israel’ proxies.
    The Yinon plan, quite rational from Israel’s perspective, could not be implemented without the “divide & rule” (which does imply creation of proxies, at least on a level of “moderate freedom fighters” and such). If you are able to refute the Israel (AIPAC, PNAC) role in creating the current bloodshed in the Middle East, that would be important for this discussion.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Avery
  26. Avery says:
    @annamaria

    {If you are able to refute the Israel (AIPAC, PNAC) role in creating the current bloodshed in the Middle East….}

    Without crucial help from Islamist Turkey, next door neighbor to Syria, and crucial financial support from Muslim Saudi Arabia, Muslim Qatar, and other Muslim gulf states – it would not have been possible for US, UK, France, Germany, Israel to cause the level of death and destruction in Syria.

    You conveniently overlook the central roles of those countries because they are Muslim countries: correct ?

    A couple years ago, Turkey organized a chemical attack in Syria, carried out by ISIS, that killed hundreds of Syrian civilians. The idea was to manufacture a “crossed red line” so that NATO could start bombing SAA.
    About a year ago, Turkish MIT head Hakan Fidan and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu were secretly recorded planning to bomb a historic Turkish tomb inside Syria to give them the excuse to invade Syria and steal more land.

    Turkey is as much responsible for the bloodshed as are the US Neocons, if not more.
    Why don’t you mention Turkey in your posts in the same vein as Israel and the Neocons ?
    Is it because Turks are Muslims like you ?

    Genocidal Turks from Uyguristan have been a menace to the region and have caused death and destruction on a scale that dwarfs what Israel has done.
    For centuries.

    You are outraged that Israel occupies Palestinian lands: Good.
    Now, where is your outrage that Turks occupy 40% of Cyprus ?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  27. Avery says:
    @annamaria

    annamarina:

    any comment about Muslim Saudi Arabia supplying a fresh batch of TOW missiles to ISIS, so they can kill more Syrian soldiers ?

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/11/saudi-arabia-supplies-militants-in-syria-with-tow-antitank-missiles/

    [These TOW missiles are not going to the FSA but to well-known terrorist groups. The defeated FSA is being used as a smokescreen, and despite its not being a very good one, it seems to be working quite well.]

    Or Saudis get a pass because, you know, they are like, Muslims.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  28. 5371 says:
    @Rurik

    It’s not a deal of any kind. Both sides have agreed to mean opposite things by the same words, just as happened in the Donbass conflict. Bashar al-Assad will continue to be president of Syria and the SAA will continue to be supported by the Russian air force.

  29. annamaria says:
    @Avery

    “Without crucial help from Islamist Turkey, next door neighbor to Syria, and crucial financial support from Muslim Saudi Arabia, Muslim Qatar, and other Muslim gulf states – it would not have been possible for US, UK, France, Germany, Israel to cause the level of death and destruction in Syria.”

    Agree. A followup question: Do you believe that the above mentioned states would have gone into a vulture’ mode (in anticipation of ripping out the delicious pieces from a Syria carcass) without the US tacit encouragement? That is, without fitting nicely into the neocons’-designed plan for the Middle East? And do not neglect the role of the “harnessed” US evangelicals.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/we_are_in_pitiless_times_20151116
    “ll parties agree that the problem of ISIS and al-Qaeda does not afford easy answers. The west has not been willing to confront its main west Asian allies – the Saudi kingdom and the Gulf emirates, whose funds continue to lubricate the networks of extremism and whose sheikhs continue to agitate young minds with dangerous ideas – including hateful sectarianism. No western country has put sufficient pressure on these countries to do anything. No western country has asked Turkey’s ruling party to set aside its own domestic ambitions and allow the Kurdish militias to fight ISIS freely. Not one western power has admitted that their continuous logistical support of proxies of Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey has fed the cycle of extremism.”

    • Replies: @Avery
  30. annamaria says:
    @Avery

    “Or Saudis get a pass because, you know, they are like, Muslims.”

    I am not sure that the deeds of the most Christian Bush the lesser and of his mighty ideological retinue of Israel-firsters are in agreement with your statement.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/14/how-saudigulf-money-fuels-terror/
    The above paper by Daniel Lazare agrees with your main points, apart from the idea that the “haves” base their lives and policies on a devotion to religion (remember the Christian Bush’ wet kisses with the Muslim Saudis princes, http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dfd_1375495354&comments=1).

  31. Chaban says:
    @Robert Bruce

    For me the big tell was the reaction of markets worldwide after the Obama/Putin meeting in September. They SKYROCKETED. Their meeting was the trigger. It began that very day.
    So obviously Wall Street and the City of London are not at all worried by the action of Russia in Syria. They know their interests are not threatened.
    Did you know that the 1999 elections were looking terrible for Eltsine, who was losing to a hardcore antizionist in all the polls? Eltsine’s party was going to lose big time. That’s when he pulled Putin out of a hat.
    Putin oversaw the ratification of one of the most prozionist laws in the world last year. Try asking questions about certain aspects of WWII in Russia now and you will spend up to five years in jail.
    One thing about the situation in the Middle East and Ukraine in the last two years. It has accomplished several things:
    -emptied large territories around Israel
    -weakened Europe via population substitution (see Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, but also Talmudic doctrines)
    -neutralized some of the fiercest nationalist forces in Europe (goes back to point above)
    -has had homogeneous white populations kill each other off (again, goes back to the second point). And you will note that Putin has not done one thing about that. Why are Russian planes and personnel in Syria while they’re not doing anything for the population of Donbass?
    Etc.

    In the end, who benefits?

    Obama and Putin work together. No doubt in my mind.

  32. GogMagog says:

    Avery, it appears you have tied yourself up in an intellectual knot!

    Without crucial HELP from Islamist Turkey

    it would not have been possible for US, UK, France, Germany, Israel to CAUSE the level of death and destruction in Syria.

    You can’t attack somebody for directing blame to those at the top of the command chain.

    Turkey is as much responsible for the bloodshed as are the US Neocons, if not more.

    Outright false and incorrect unless of course you are a Zionist apologist or you totally refute the idea that Zionists have anything to do with US foreign policy.

    Which one is it?

    Your attempts to use the race/religion card in your attack against anna-marina and your description of Turks as “genocidal” are good indicators of your mindset and MO if you again refuse to reply.

    • Replies: @Avery
  33. Avery says:
    @GogMagog

    {…. if you again refuse to reply.}

    What was the question ?

    I wrote: [Turkey is as much responsible for the bloodshed as are the US Neocons, if not more.]
    You wrote: {Outright false and incorrect unless of course you are a Zionist apologist or you totally refute the idea that Zionists have anything to do with US foreign policy.}

    Nope: outright true and correct.

    Turks, originally from Uyguristan, have been dealing death and destruction to the region long before there was a country called Israel, long before there was a country called United States, and such things as US Neocons.
    Check out the theft of Syrian land Alexandretta by Turks: before the existence of Israel.

    And here is some more homework for you: explain to readers of UNZ.com how Zionists managed to convince Turks to invade and occupy 40% of Cyprus.
    How did Israel benefit from Muslim Turks occupying 40% Christian Cyprus.

    And, yes: Turks are genocidal. It is not my mindset: it is a historical fact.
    Your denial of that historical fact is a good indicator of your mindset.

    • Replies: @GogMagog
  34. Avery says:
    @annamaria

    { followup question: Do you believe that the above mentioned states would have gone into a vulture’ mode (in anticipation of ripping out the delicious pieces from a Syria carcass) without the US tacit encouragement?}

    Answer: No. Without US tacit approval and encouragement none of the mentioned states would undertake a major project like dismemberment of a sovereign state.
    US is the preeminent military, financial, global superpower.
    US runs the roost (…the roost of the countries listed).

    US, or more accurately, the Anglo-American Empire, has its own global geopolitical agenda regarding Syria: Syria is a piece of something much, much larger the Empire is after.
    Turks have their own localized goals vis-à-vis Syria.
    Israel the same.
    US Neocons have their own agenda: sometimes it is congruent with the Anglo-American (Anglo-Saxon) agenda, sometimes not.
    To wit: US Neocons tried desperately to derail the Iran agreement with the West for the benefit of Israel. Israel and their US allies pulled all stops.
    Didn’t work: some powerful interests in US decided the time had come to chuck Israel vis-à-vis Iran, and do what’s best for US.

    To continue:

    Saudis and the other Sunni Gulf states – unlike Turkey and Israel – have no territorial designs on Syria: their goal is to weaken and break the Shia arc.
    So a lot of local and global interests coming together for the “vulture’s” feast, as you well put it.

    My objection here is that majority of posters, including you, only focus on Israel-firsters and US Neocons regarding Syria.
    But the roles of Muslim states working for the destruction of Syria is largely ignored.
    In particular the central role of Turkey.
    Turkey is the central country giving shelter to ISIS.
    Turkey is the country that organized the chemical attack by ISIS that murdered 100s of Muslim Syrians: True or False ?
    Turkey is the central country training and arming ISIS.
    Turkish border with Syria is the highway through which ISIS is travelling to/from Syria. Does anyone think Turks could not close that border within 48 hrs if they wanted to ?
    Turkey is the country financing ISIS by buying the stolen Syrian oil: it is a fact.
    Turkey, like Israel, wants Syria dismembered so it can gobble up more Syrian lands.

    When posters concerned about Syria start listing all the villains responsible for the death and destruction there, and not just the “usual suspects”, then we’ll see….

  35. GogMagog says:
    @Avery

    Firstly modern day Turks are a far cry from the old Turks but yes they were fratricidal and genocidal but so were the British, Americans, Germans and every other race on Earth. Turks are no special case in cold reality. The only thing stopping the Europeans from matching the Old Turks in sheer bloodshed and mayhem was the Pope.

    Why should I comment on Cyprus? This is no way a good example of how Turks follow there own lead as it’s simply half of a tiny little island.

    It is a distraction from my sole point which is nobody is more to blame than the Zionists for the hell in the Middle East.

    I’m not saying everyone else is innocent. Indeed they are not. Essentially Turks are just playing the same game all Nations have and will continue to play.

    You can’t say the same for Israel and her Zionist terrorists embedded in countries around the world. They’re not even in the same league!

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