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Week One of the Russian Military Intervention in Syria

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Russian Bombing in Syria. Credit: Reuters

The speed at which the Russian military operation in Syria was conducted what a big surprise for the US intelligence community (which I can hardly blame as I was just as surprised myself). Make no mistake here, the Russian force in Syria is a small one, at least for the time being, and it does not even remotely resemble what the rumors had predicted, but it is especially the manner in which it is being used which is very original: as a type of “force multiplier” for the Syrian military and a likely cover for the Iranian one. This is a very elegant solution in which a small force achieves a disproportionately big result. This is also a rather dangerous strategy, because it leaves the force very vulnerable, but one which, at least so far, Putin very successfully explained to the Russian people.

According to the most recent poll, 66% of Russian support the airstrikes in Syria while 19% oppose them. Considering the risks involved, these are extremely good numbers. Putin’s personal popularity, by the way, is still at a phenomenal 85% (all these figures have an margin of error of 3.4%). Still, these figures indicate to me that the potential for concern and, possibly, disappointment is present. The big advantage that Putin has over any US President is that Russians understand that wars, all wars, have a cost, and they are therefore nowhere as casualty-averse as the people in the USA or Europe. Still, while combat footage taken from UAV is a good start, Putin will have to be able to show something more tangible soon. Hence, probably, the current Syrian army counter-offensive. Still, the current way of triumphalism in Russia makes me nervous.

The reaction in the West, however, has been very negative, especially after the Russian cruise missile attacks (which mark the first time ever that the Russians have used their non-nuclear but strategic forces in a show of force aimed less as Daesh than at the USA).

On October 8th, the US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, declared:AshCarter

We have not and will not agree to cooperate with Russia so long as they continue to pursue this misguided strategy. We’ve seen increasingly unprofessional behavior from Russian forces. They violated Turkish airspace, which as all of us here made clear earlier this week, and strongly affirmed today here in Brussels, is NATO airspace. They’ve shot cruise missiles from a ship in the Caspian Sea without warning. They’ve come within just a few miles of one of our unmanned aerial vehicles. They have initiated a joint ground offensive with the Syrian regime, shattering the facade that they’re there to fight ISIL.

This will have consequences for Russia itself, which is rightfully fearful of attack upon Russia. And I also expect that in coming days, the Russians will begin to suffer casualties in Syria (Source: http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/622454/press-conference-by-secretary-carter-at-nato-headquarters-brussels-belgium)

On the next day, the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov replied by saying:
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Representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry, in their evaluation of the actions of the US military and the various operations they are engaged worldwide, have never sunk down to the level to publicly express the hope for the death of US servicemen or, even less so, of ordinary Americans. Today’s announcement by Pentagon chief Ashton Carter, unfortunately clearly illustrates the current level of political culture of some representatives of the US government or, should I say, their level of cynicism towards the rest of the world. I am sure that no US general would ever have allowed himself to express such feelings. (Source: http://tass.ru/politika/2331242)

Does that not remind you of something? Does that not sound like a repeat of the threat made by Saudi Arabia’s intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan‘s threat to unleash ‘Chechen’ terror attacks against Russia? At the very least, this is, yet again, a sign that the US controls or, rather, thinks that it controls the Wahabi crazies and can unleash them against any opponent.

CNN_Screenshot Typically, there are two basic ways the West handles any Russian military operation: they are either presented as mass murder and butchery or as gross, primitive and ineffective. CNN chose the second option and reported that “A number of cruise missiles launched from a Russian ship and aimed at targets in Syria have crashed in Iran, two U.S. officials told CNN Thursday”. Both Russia and Iran immediately denied that, as for the State Department and the Pentagon, they have refused to confirm or deny these reports.

MariaZakarova Maria Zakarova, the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry reacted with disgust to these reports on her FB account and wrote: “I have read the CNN reports claiming that “Russian cruise missiles fell in Iran.” I wonder, do they write that out of impotent anger, or what? As for the constant references to “sources” they remind of the channeling of water from the sewer”.

Clearly, the Russians are rather disgusted with the rather pathetic US reactions to the Russian military operation. As for US officials, they appear rather clueless as to what do do next.

However, these appearances can be deceiving: this “game” is very far from being over.

As I have written in a recent column, the notion that Russia has established a no-fly zone over Syria is plain false: four SU-30MS, even if backed by six SU-34s are not enough to establish any kind of no-fly zone. The real mission of these SU-30MSs is to protect the Russian Air Force from any overzealous Turkish or Israeli fighter, not to establish a no-fly zone. In fact, according to the commander of the USAF operation over Syria, the US flies many more sorties than the Russians. What he does not add is that most of these US sorties do not include the release of weapons whereas all the Russian ones do. But, really, this is comparing apples and oranges. The USAF can fly as many sorties as it wants, only the Russian aircraft are operating in close coordination with Syrian and Iranian ground forces.

What worries me most is that people on both sides like to engage in cheap bravado and say things like “the Americans/Russians would never dare to attack a Russian/American aircraft”. This is a very dangerous way of thinking about what is going on because it ignores all the historical evidence for decision-makers making very dumb decisions to try to avoid appearing humiliated by the other side (Ehud Olmert in 2006, immediately comes to mind). The fact that Obama and the USA look totally out-smarted is nice, of course, but also potentially very dangerous.

The good news is that, at least for the time being, neither Russia nor the USA are directly threatening each other, at least not on a military level. The USAF apparently has decided on a 20 miles “avoidance radius” and while the Russians have not made any statements about this, I am pretty sure that they also go out of their way not to interfere with the Americans, much less so threaten them directly. Still, this situation is inherently dangerous.

Since this is a real combat zone and not just some peacetime patrol area, Russian and American aircraft have to use radar modes which are normally associated with a hostile intent: not just scan the skies for any potential enemy, but also actively track any detected aircraft. This is a very delicate situation because once a radar has acquired an aircraft and is actively tracking it all the pilot has to do to attack is press one button. For the pilot in the aircraft being tracked, this is similar to having a gun pointed at you – it makes you very nervous. To make things worse, modern aircraft can actually engage each other without using these radar modes and they can try to hide their radar signals, but that only adds to the tension. It is precisely because the US and Russia are two nuclear powers that it is crucial that neither side count on the other one to “blink first” or play any game of chicken. The politicians can indulge in this kind of nonsense, but I hope that the generals on both sides will do everything in their power to avoid any such situation. Right now, the situation appears to be under control, but it could get worse very fast. Hopefully, the Pentagon and the Russian General Staff will come to an “de-conflicting” agreement soon.

There are numerous reports that Iran is preparing a major intervention in Syria. These reports come from many sources and I consider them credible simply because there is no way that the very limited Russian intervention can really change the time of the war, at least not by itself. Yes, I do insist that the Russian intervention is a very limited one. 12 SU-24M, 12 SU-25SM, 6 SU-34 and 4 SU-30SM are not a big force, not even backed by helicopters and cruise missiles. Yes, the Russian force has been very effective to relieve the pressure on the northwestern front and to allow for a Syrian Army counter-offensive, but that will not, by itself, end the war. For one thing, should things get really ugly, the Daesh crazies can simply repeat what they have already done in the past: cross the border into Turkey, Jordan and Iraq. Furthermore, you cannot hold any ground from the air. For that, “boots on the ground” are needed and Russian boots are not coming – Putin has unambiguously stated that (although he did leave a small door open for a future change of strategy by saying that a ground intervention was not in the “current plans”). Regardless, anything short of a minor or very short intervention would be fantastically hard to sell in Russia and I therefore still don’t believe that it will happen. My bet is on the Iranians. Well, when I say “Iranians” I mean Iranians and their allies, including Hezbollah, but not necessarily in Iranian uniforms.

Chances are, the Iranians and the Syrians will want to keep the magnitude of the Iranian involvement as hidden from view as possible. But, of course, they won’t be able to fool the USA, Turkey or Israel for very long, at least not if a large Iranian force is involved.

So the big question for me is this: what will the USA do if (when?) Iran intervenes in Syria?

Chances are that the Iraqis will request the Russian help to defeat Daesh exactly at the moment when the Iranians make their move. If the Russians agree, and it looks like they might, the Russian Air Force will, in fact, be providing air cover for the Iranian forces moving across Iraq towards Syria. My guess is that the Russians will try to get some UNSC Resolution to allow an international intervention in Syria or that, failing that, they will try to get some kind of deal with the USA. But that is going to be awfully hard, as they Neocons will go ballistic if the Iranians actually make a big move into Syria.

Right now the Russian Air Force does not have the resources needed to support an Iranian move into Syria, and that might be the reason for a reappearance of the rumor about “six MiG-31s” going to Syria. I personally have seen no evidence for that, at least not form any halfway dencent source, but if that does really happen, then this will become a major game-changer because one thing is certain: MiG-31s will never be used against Daesh or even a few isolated Turkish or Israeli fighters; if the MiG-31s ever really show up in the Syrian skies, their goal will be to keep control of the Syrian airspace and that implies a direct and credible threat against the US and its allies. The same goes for the actual deployment of S-300s. Thank God,we are not there yet. But unless the Syrian Army manages an extremely successful offensive against Daesh, a large Iranian intervention will become very likely. Then things will become very dangerous indeed.

In the meantime, NATO is still busy making big statements about being “ready to defend Turkey” while McCain declares that the US and Russia are engaged in a “proxy war”. We ought to be grateful for such loud emissions of hot hair because, hopefully, as long as the western leaders feel that their empty talk makes them look credible, they will not be tempted to do something truly stupid and dangerous.

These are definitely dangerous times.

 
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  1. Week one of the Russian military intervention in Syria | The Vineyard of the Saker
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  2. “But unless the Syrian Army manages an extremely successful offensive against Daesh, a large Iranian intervention will become very likely. Then things will become very dangerous indeed.”
    Spot on Saker, this is the key sentence about the near future.

    As long as the Syria attacking alliance (US-Israel-Turkey-Saudi) excretes hot air and does not cause Anthropological Global Warming, look even the name of the head-polluter is Ash (by a) Ton, things will be fine. But I do find the current situation already extremely dangerous.

    The US has convinced itself that is the the only Global Hyper-Power and the ruler of the World. But economically, the US is going through a similar process as the Soviet Union did in the Eighties – definite decline. Challenging such declining power, plus as corrupt as the US is, is extremely dangerous and this is what Russia is doing. Thus, although not Russian, I am strongly against this Russian intervention in Syria. I feel compassion for the Syrians, especially the Syrian Christians, but their savings is not worth the end of humanity. I would rather see US implode, than Russia and China confront the US and show it how weak it truly is: the principal US military doctrine is the one of total battlefield superiority, if the real dying starts, the US military will quickly melt into oblivion (the Russian cruise-missile attack on Syrian terrorists is one indication of the lack of such total superiority).

    I can see strong parallels between the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Syrian situation (and I am certainly not the only one). But so far the neocons can blame Obama for the defeat in Syria, when things turned out so well after the victory in Libya. If only they could have the Mad Hillary bombing, instead of this wuss.

    Finally, to comment on the comment of a Russian General: “I am sure that no US general would ever have allowed himself to express such feelings.” This Russian General obviously has not been following the statements of the US General Strangelove, pardon Breedlove. Old Breedlove is a chip of the same smelly block of cattle-crap as his boss Ashton, in desiring many dead Russians. Simply, the US military is chock-a-block full of nut cases, Rapturists and other smelly turds. Russians better be ready for a surprise stealth attack, a la MH17.

    The most likely trouble scenario is that a group of “unidentified” US aircraft attacks Russian jets on a bombing mission, coming from Eastern Syria over Iraq (to avoid identification when taking off from Incirlick which Russia is monitoring), and shoots down one or more Russian jets on a bombing run (that is not ready for an arial dog-fight). This would be a commensurate payback in the minds of US neocons for the embarrassment of Russia exposing and crunching their plans in Syria.

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  3. US GANGSTERS COMPLAINING OF ‘UNPROFESSIONAL’ BEHAVIOR—WHAT A JOKE.

    Thanks for the very insightful article, Saker. It is very informative. I wish Russia and Assad good luck in rooting out Daesh.

    What I found most amusing in this article is the statement by the Joker US Secretary of Defense Carter that the Russian behavior is “unprofessional”.

    What a joke, coming from an American thug, of a country has one of the world’s most corrupt and criminal govt. that invades other countries’ airspace at will (eg. Libya), has an illegal alien posing as President (see obamacrimes.com), has a sham democracy and Jewish controlled lying scamming media worse than 3rd world, has a corrupt Congress owned and operated by the Jewish Oligarchs, allows millions of 3rd world aliens to invade this country, is a banana republic of a country 1/10th its size (Israel), etc. etc. etc.

    These US gangsters must learn some morals and culture instead of complaining about “unprofessional” conduct of a nation 10 times better than US, in a war where thousands of lives are at stake.

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  4. I have been carefully looking to see how long before you couldn’t contain yourself and had to comment on the dangerous unfolding events in Syria. You have written very valuable insights as usual; now back to the alligators with you at least for awhile. We need you to get your rest.

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  5. These American snakes are capable of anything. Don’t believe a word that comes from western media.

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  6. As I have written in a recent column, the notion that Russia has established a no-fly zone over Syria is plain false: four SU-30MS, even if backed by six SU-34s are not enough to establish any kind of no-fly zone.

    But if Russia now has an anti-aircraft system in the region–whether ship-based or land-based–then that could be said to have established something very similar to a no-fly zone.

    My guess is that the Russians will try to get some UNSC Resolution to allow an international intervention in Syria or that, failing that, they will try to get some kind of deal with the USA. But that is going to be awfully hard, as they Neocons will go ballistic if the Iranians actually make a big move into Syria.

    Neither a UNSC resolution nor a deal with the US would be necessary. All that’s needed would be the approval of the Syrian government, and possibly the Iraqi government as well.

    Right now the Russian Air Force does not have the resources needed to support an Iranian move into Syria …

    If by “right now” Saker means the Russian Air Force presently in Syria, well OK. But if necessary the Russians could always send more jets to the middle east.

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  7. [In fact, according to the commander of the USAF operation over Syria, the US flies many more sorties than the Russians.]

    At the current rate, Russia will have flown more missions in a month than the US has in more than a year (let’s not even get into what the US does during its missions). Truth and the Pentagon are not friends.

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  8. So… the Turks just SMOKED a MiG.

    Admit it, and there’s a documented airspace violation.

    or…

    Deny it and bury it near a grave from Ukraine….

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  9. So says the Daily Mail, which also reported the Chinese aircraft carrier being sent to the Syrian coast.

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  10. Oh my fucking god, people are still spreading this fake story.

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  11. It would be interesting to poll the average man in the west – places like France, Canada, Australia etc. to get their impression of what is happening regarding this issue.

    Even in the US – with respect for congress at all time lows and half the country despising Obama (to put it mildly) wouldn’t it be interesting to see how many people there support the Russians and what they are doing in Syria?

    The world is becoming spectacularly polarized – not along national lines but along ideological ones. Who ever would have thought that Putin and Russia would begin to represent the side that defends truth and the west would become the side that represents lies and hypocrisy???? For right or wrong one cannot deny it’s bizarro world come to life…. the law of entropy in action…..

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  12. As the UK, France, United States and USSR found out, it is easy to involve yourself in Muslim conflicts ( they always have a wide selection to choose from) but it is much more difficult to extract yourself from them and they never seem to result in anything that can be called victory unless it is a limited expedition like Desert Storm.

    A week or two into Putin’s gambit is way too early to see how this latest intervention turns out. If history is any guide it will be far more costly than anticipated and fail in its intended results. The demographics of Syria almost guarantee that. If the US and UK could not create a unified government in Iraq with 200,000 troops and total command of the skies ( and a lot more air mobile troops than what Putin or Iran can muster) it is difficult to see how Russia and Iran can succeed with far less.

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    So… the Turks just SMOKED a MiG.

    Admit it, and there’s a documented airspace violation.

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    Deny it and bury it near a grave from Ukraine….

    Russia isn’t flying MiGs in Syria. Apparently this story started on the questionable Ukrainian website censor.net and they attribute the story to social media reports. Really??

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  14. Creating a name to post the first and only comment in order to spread what appears an unconfirmed internet rumor. Okay, then, what are we to conclude from such nonsense?

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  15. Duh! You just don’t get it.

    Russia is using a completely different approach. Catch up

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  16. “Who ever would have thought that Putin and Russia would begin to represent the side that defends truth and the west would become the side that represents lies and hypocrisy?”

    I guess the hard Left always saw things that way, but for those of us on the realist-right the last 12-14 years have been a big wake-up.

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  17. Is Ash Carter the wealthy Ivy Leaguer and Obama bureaucrat also a standard bearer for the LGBT regime in D.C.? He has the crooked look of the typical American government pervert. The American military is one big joke in the rest of the world and the operatives in the administration are the clown force of a depraved culture.

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  18. The Saker:

    The real mission of these SU-30MSs is to protect the Russian Air Force from any overzealous Turkish or Israeli fighter, not to establish a no-fly zone

    RT:

    The airstrikes were carried out by Sukhoi Su24M and Su-34 bombers and Su-25SM assault aircraft, with Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jets ensuring air escort for the assault groups

    https://www.rt.com/news/318284-russia-syria-isi-airstrike/

    This protection is in airspace shared with American and French fighters (and British pilots with the flag of the aircraft they’re flying unclear but possibly USA), sending a pretty clear message beyond Turkey and Israel – but I’m certain The Saker will find a way to ‘hedge’ his way around this (yeah, I’m a zero hedge fan: http://www.zerohedge.com/ )

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  19. I’m not sure what to even think of the whole left right paradigm anymore. I believe Putin would by and large dismiss the far left as anti conservative (at least socially) at this stage – having more or less marginalized the gay movement in Russia I think this is safe to assume. Putin seems to have a more firm grasp on the truth by and large than our politicians do who are now dominated by far left leaning fairytale ideology. Its like the social/political poles have shifted and those of us – either libertarian or truth/freedom loving conservatives have been left floundering in a sea of liberal insanity geographically speaking. I wonder if this means the next major refugee crisis will be said types knocking on Russia’s door and asking for asylum? Seems to have worked for Snowden. Bizarro world indeed.

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  20. “This protection is in airspace shared with American and French fighters (and British pilots with the flag of the aircraft they’re flying unclear but possibly USA), sending a pretty clear message beyond Turkey and Israel ”

    I’m astounded by the allegation that British pilots are flying aircraft under the flag of the US. What kind of message is that sending, other than the Brits want to hide their involvement in illegal activities and want to throw all the blame and responsibility on Uncle Sucker?

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  21. Why does Assad, and air force and proper army with artillery plus Iranian and Lebanese fighting with him need an additional force multiplier to defeat rebels with no heavy weapons, if not because he is opposed by most of the Syrian population?

    John Kerry publicly said if the Russians attack ISIL and Al Nusra-held territory he would “welcome those efforts” So why on earth would Russia need to camouflage such action as Iranian attacks on ISIL and al-Nusra jihadists ? Oh I get it, the Iranians want to conceal that they are fighting Islamic State so that they get no international credit for helping the US achieve this vital US goal in the region.

    Make no mistake here, the Russian force in Syria is a small one, at least for the time being, and it does not even remotely resemble what the rumors had predicted, but it is especially the manner in which it is being used which is very original: as a type of “force multiplier” for the Syrian military and a likely cover for the Iranian one. This is a very elegant solution in which a small force achieves a disproportionately big result.

    Again, why would Iran wish to conceal that it is fighting Islamic State, this would only be an elegant solution for Iranians who wish the US neocons a way to portray Iran as disruptive by saying “Iran is behind the war in Syria” and “attack Iran to stabilize the Middle East”.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0 BEIRUT, Lebanon — The Islamic State registered significant gains on Friday in the area of northwestern Syria that Russian warplanes have been bombing, taking six villages near Aleppo and threatening to cut off an important route north to the Turkish border.[...]

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-mideast-crisis-lavrov-fsa-idUKKCN0RV51620151001 Russia does not consider the U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army rebels a terrorist group, and they should be part of a political solution in Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday after Russia was accused of bombing the group.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo

    Islamic State militants have scored their most significant advances in the province of Aleppo, the closest they have come to Syria’s former commercial capital in two years, as it becomes increasingly clear that they are taking advantage of Russian airstrikes against the rest of the opposition to march into new territory.

    As Russian planes continued to pound rebel forces in western Aleppo and other frontlines in the country, <many of the opposition fighters who ousted Isis from the province at great cost last year found themselves pinned down and unable to halt the terror group’s largely unopposed advance towards the city at the end of last week</.

    Russian planes are striking the Free Syrian Army and laying the groundwork for Daesh [Isis] control of strategic areas in Aleppo,” said a source from Tajammu al-Izzah, a moderate opposition group backed by western and Gulf states which has been hit by Russian airstrikes. “The truth is that Russia is backing Isis.”. [...]

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/3050004-155/officials-cia-backed-syrian-rebels-under-russian
    Washington • CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad’s forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.

    During the past week, Russia has directed parts of its air campaign against U.S.-funded groups and other moderate opposition in a concerted effort to weaken them, the officials say. The Obama administration has few options to defend those it had secretly armed and trained.

    The Russians “know their targets, and they have a sophisticated capacity to understand the battlefield situation,” said Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee. “They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State.”

    The main opposition to Assad is the Free Syrian Army, which is why the Russians have been supporting their client regime by attacking the FSA. Islamic state are also attacking the FSA, and the Russians and Assad bomb the FSA to make it easier to Islamic State. The US said Assad was assisting IS gains of FSA held territory around Aleppo in June . Since the Russians have arrived they have attacked the FSA especially around Aleppo Surprise surprise Islamic State are successfully attacking the FSA positions in Aleppo right now . It is rather clear despite Russian dissimulation who they are attacking and why. Islamic State attack Free Syrian Army territory after it has been weakened by Russian bombardments. It’s the same as Assad a did with IS in June. Right now IS are doing Assad’s work by threatening to cut the Syrian coalition off from the Aleppo road route route to Turkey and US help, and they can do this because the Free Syrian forces defending the villages in the rear of the area are have been blasted to kingdom come by the Russia air force. Islamic state are now on the outskirts of Aleppo. More immigrants heading straight for Europe when Assad triumphs.

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  22. a troll or govt agent :) your pick.

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  23. Before the Russians started the US claimed 6700 missions, of course they had not actually hit anything but civilians and civilian infrastructure for some reason.

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  24. According to the western lie machine:
    [many of the opposition fighters who ousted Isis from the province at great cost last year found themselves pinned down and unable to halt the terror group’s largely unopposed advance towards the city]

    In truth:
    the US puppets who formerly pretended to control territory were told by their masters that the script had changed and they must now pretend to have been ousted from it by ISIS.

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  25. The USA regularly hosts British officers in its military, has for a long time. They likely are flying USA jets in Syria according to incomplete information coming out of Britain and it may be (a possibility) British jets are flying clandestinely into Syria concealed from Parliament by Cameron:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/17/david-cameron-knew-uk-pilots-were-bombing-isis-in-syria

    And this is new (tangential)

    http://www.trust.org/item/20151011192055-nvu34/

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  26. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11925094/Islamic-State-leaders-killed-in-air-strike-in-western-Iraqi-town-as-Abu-Bakr-Baghdadi-convoy-hit.html

    In Iraq. Not the Russians.

    If you think IS is a project of the CIA you are in effect saying that a US army general would let himself be hauled in front of congressional committee and humiliated to take the heat off a CIA false flag operation? This idea that some secret part of US intelligence is running IS is crapola. US army generals are not going to commit public career suicide for anyone.

    A US army general who happens to be black is being made to look stupid in a public hearing of a congressional committee, and you think this is a deliberate ploy, all an act? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-program-isis-fighters-syria-general-lloyd-austin-congress/

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  27. If you look at Guardian and Telegraph comments a lot of people are saying “Better Assad than another Iraq or Libya”.

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  28. Much of what happens in the world is hidden or obfuscated because most narratives are not declared but remain only in text.

    When it comes to Russian and Middle Eastern affairs, those who know the fuller narrative of what has happened know it.
    But when it comes to politicians and the public, all that matters if the Declared Narrative, and it’s that which determines the terms by which the events and issues are discussed.

    For example, take the case of Palestine. The narrative of how the great powers, especially the US and USSR, played a crucial role in division of Palestine that led to a war and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians(aka Nakba) is well-known to anyone who has read books or has done the research.

    BUT, it’s not a Declared Narrative, especially in the US. This full narrative can be found in textual materials and the odd documentary, but the only Declared Narrative favored by media, politicians, and pundits goes as follows: ‘Israelis, children of holocaust survivors, are under threat from Palestinian terrorists and other nasties.’

    Since the Declared Narrative overlooks the US role that led to Nakba, most Americans never see the big picture, the full picture. Most Americans feel zero guilt for what happened in Palestine and what was done to Palestinians.
    Even though US had more of a direct role in the oppression of Palestinians than in the repression of blacks in South Africa, apartheid was a bigger deal than ethnocleansowicz and the Occupatheid of West Bank and Gaza. Why don’t Americans feel any responsibility toward Pallies, esp when US played the key role in the destruction of Palestine and creation of Israesl? Cuz there is no Declared Narrative of the crucial role US played in the destruction of Palestinians. Of course, it can be found in books and in the odd documentary, but most of the Declared Narrative only focuses on how Jews really needed a homeland of their own and how Palestinians have been harassing and killing Jews ever since. The Declared Narrative becomes central, and all other narratives are either unknown or remain peripheral.

    And we have the same problem in the US in relation to race problems.
    Anyone who wants to know the truth can dig up the truthful narrative of black crime and black violence done to fellow blacks and non-blacks. If you want to know, the truth can be found. But officially, the Declared Narrative on race relations is along the line of bogus ‘black lives matter’ and how these poor helpless blacks are being harassed and killed by evil white folks, especially cops.
    Since most people rely on the Declared Narrative as the basis of their discourse on things, the reality of violence in the black community is seen through a very incomplete and distorted lens that fails to do full justice to the full truth of why there are so many problems in the black community. Declared Narratives are like Headlines, and we know most people just read the headlines. And Twitter has made everything more headline-centric.

    When it comes to Syria, the Declared Narrative in the West has been ‘Assad is killing his people’ and ‘Russia is attacking moderate good rebels’. But the fuller truth of how US, Israel, Turkey, and Israel all colluded to arm the rebels to undermine Syria has been suppressed. So, Americans and Jews feel no responsibility about what has happened in the Middle East. They feel no guilt. Even though US and Israel played a big role in the implosion of Syria, they are still in accusatory and moralistic mode cuz the only Declared Narrative is ‘Assad is a bad guy who kills his own people and must go’.

    And same with Ukraine. The Declared Narrative only focuses on Russia’ s move into Crimea and eastern Ukraine without taking into account of how the crisis had been fomented by US subversion led by Jews and homos.

    Now, US is free enough that we can find the fuller truth through research. But most people just rely on mainstream news controlled by Jews. And US politicians and government serve the Declared Narrative as laid down by Prez and State Department.

    We can offer many counter-narratives, but unless we can challenge and change the Declared Narrative, it will be business as usual.

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  29. Are not the social media becoming the principal method of disseminating Western regime propaganda? As Western people move away from MSM in droves, the Western propaganda agencies have set up shop in social media. For example, most of the “proof” that Russia shot down MH-17 came this way. These days, the MSM presstitutes quote the social media (they do not get all the material from the propaganda agencies directly any more).

    But, the most worrying is that the Western governments are now cracking down on independent Internet media, trying to corral Internet users to Facebook, Twitter and Instagram which they control. This is being done using copyright laws, which are aiming to ban even linking to copyrighted material: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-09/its-over-me-matt-drudge-warns-public-youre-pawn-ghetto-isation-web.

    When all other methods to control the Internet have failed (electronic DNA etc), the Western regimes are now turning to copyright laws to control the discourse. Ah, you just cannot beat the “democracies”.

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  30. “If you think IS is a project of the CIA …”
    You do understand that the “if” has become negligible and that the involvement of the US in creation IS is impossible to contest, considering the wealth of factual information. Below are the journalistic summaries, for the sake of simplicity.
    “Special Ops Officer Blows Whistle on CIA Funded ISIS Through Swiss Bank Accounts:”

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/05/04/special-ops-officer-blows-whistle-on-cia-funded-isis-through-swiss-bank-accounts/

    “US Created The Islamic State (ISIS) for Sake of Israel and Military Industrial Complex: Ex-CIA contractor:” http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-created-the-islamic-state-isis-for-sake-of-israel-and-military-industrial-complex-ex-cia-contractor/5457911d Military Industrial Complex: Ex-CIA contractor:”
    “For The Record, Yes, George W. Bush Did Help Create ISIS:”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html

    “Did George W. Bush Create ISIS?:”

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/did-george-w-bush-create-isis

    Sorry to tell you, Sean, but your posts are becoming closer in spirit to a story of immaculate conception. The latter was also a very profitable fairy tale.

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    Was this statement by Carter that Russians will start taking casualties just an observation or did he tip his hand and indicate that the US might be working to make that come about? Wonder what sort of plans they might be cooking up. Also wonder if any American ‘advisors’ assigned to the insurgents might have become casualties in the recent bombing runs that can’t be publicly acknowledged.

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  32. An aside: When was the last time that Fox News went five minutes without saying “Iran”?

    That nasty warmongering Jew Charles Krauthammer dominates Fox News – all the talking heads defer to him – he will start WWIII for Israel.

    p.s. On Fox News Sunday today, three proven avowed neocons discussed the Syria situation – two of them fascist Zionist Jews. The American public got ONLY the Jew agenda. This is criminal of the highest order.

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  33. wtf is wrong with assad in the first place? didn’t 80% of the syrians voted for his ass?

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    An aside: When was the last time that Fox News went five minutes without saying “Iran”?

    That’s hilarious. I visited with my dad for a few days recently. He’s a diehard Fox News viewer. I could have sworn it felt like like every other story involved dire warnings about Iran. Even the personal stories. They’d bring on a disfigured former solider hit by an EFP in Iraq and he’d talk about how Iran killed his buddies in his unit and we are now giving Iran $150 billion and allowing them to produce nukes. It’s embarrassing.

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  35. Priss, you summed it all up beautifully. The “declared narrative,” which is really propaganda, is all that most people listen to. They are so incurious and /or lazy that they won’t look at other points of view or read anything that goes against the declared narrative.

    Regarding Palestine, many have decided that returning all of the former Promised Land to the Jews is God’s plan, and for them that is all they need to know. They are convinced that they are on God’s side. That Promised Land, under Solomon, extended all the way up into northern Syria where the Euphrates River flows. So is it any wonder that the Israelis have been helping the rebels and ISIS?

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  36. Remember when the news story was that we were going to begin wasting millions of dollars on anti-Russian propaganda? To me, this is one of several recent stories that smell like what’s coming out of that effort. Ranks right there on the smelly scale with CNN’s fake story about Russian cruise missiles missing so badly that they hit Iran. And like most of their BS for the last year or more concerning invisible invasions of Ukraine, nothing close to any real evidence to back these claims.

    Right now, you can count most of the official press in the west as known and deliberate liars ….. and if you pay taxes in the US or UK, most likely you’re paying the bill for the program.

    When you live in a propaganda bubble of bullshit, be careful what you ingest.

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  37. I have to choose? I would have said both.

    The only reason I responded was that I was watching one of the Sunday morning talk shows, and one of the participants alluded to a “report” that a Russian plane was shot down, which struck me as a very ominous event. I then went to the NY Times and found no breaking news on the item. Then I Googled “Russian plane shot down” and discovered it was an unverified internet rumor. I thought it was totally irresponsible to mention it on an important Sunday talk show, and it was equally irresponsible for “Okay, then” to post the unsubstantiated rumor here. So I decided to hit him to underscore the fact that he was peddling nonsense. I realize others had already dismissed his report as rumor, but the matter was so important that I thought his irresponsible ploy should be highlighted.

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  38. Anglo-American terrorist alliance AKA “5 eyes” + vassals is waging war vs. mankind to DOMINATE and steal natural resources.
    In 1983 Reagan united Anglo and Saxon Nazis who accepted subservience.
    Millions upon millions victims have paid with their lives their need to exterminate all who are different and refuse subservience or accepting their “values”.

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  39. Make no mistake here, the Russian force in Syria is a small one, at least for the time being, and it does not even remotely resemble what the rumors had predicted, but it is especially the manner in which it is being used which is very original: as a type of “force multiplier” for the Syrian military and a likely cover for the Iranian one. This is a very elegant solution in which a small force achieves a disproportionately big result

    I’m sorry Saker but there’s no way you have any relevant military experience, or if you did, you are entirely hopeless. I cannot write this in kinder terms.

    The way Russian airpower is being used is not ‘original,’ it is in fact doctrinal for every modern military and has been since modern infantry tactics were developed in WWI.

    Yes, sometimes this absolutely foundational part of military tactics has been ignored but it is foundational nonetheless. It is how ISAF successfully invaded Afghanistan.

    I was taught this on day 1 week 1 of infantry officer school. How on earth do you not know this stuff?

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  40. AFAICT it’s partly that Syria has always technically been at war with Israel. Hostility to Iran-Syria-Hezbollah certainly motivates Netanyahu. But then the USA happily overthrew a US ally in Egypt that was at peace with Israel, and a former enemy in Libya that had made peace. So it seems as if the desire to spread Chaos – “Global Democratic Transformation” – is itself the primary US goal.

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  41. These days, the MSM presstitutes quote the social media (they do not get all the material from the propaganda agencies directly any more).

    Yeah, with ‘Brown Moses’ or ‘Bellingcat’ the public can now get their deep-state propaganda indirectly.

    But, the most worrying is that the Western governments are now cracking down on independent Internet media, trying to corral Internet users to Facebook, Twitter and Instagram which they control. This is being done using copyright laws, which are aiming to ban even linking to copyrighted material …

    I know, I heard that too. It’s shocking that they would even consider such a thing. But truthfully, I doubt it will work. How, for example, could they enforce this new no-linking rule against a server that is located in a country not under their control–e.g., Russia or China?

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  42. wtf is wrong with assad in the first place? didn’t 80% of the syrians voted for his ass?

    A good primer on why the NWO hates Syria can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40cD8uYOsBo

    And let’s all be clear about this: it is not just Bashar Assad they want to get rid of–it is all of Syria. They want to break the country up into warring sectarian enclaves that can offer no meaningful resistance against foreign meddling (Washington, Tel Aviv, etc.). In short, they want to do to Syria what they have already done to Iraq–turn it into an over-sized Lebanon.

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  43. Chances are they will try to use the Turkish air-base at Incirlik to launch a false-flag attack on the Kurds.

    Very few Americans realise there are several Kurd nationalities – Turkish, Iraqi and Syrian. That’s before going into tribal/ideological factions. Most of the official political representatives don’t even speak Kurdish, speaking instead the language of their respective nations or Arabic.

    They have nevertheless been loosely marketed as a homogeneous group of nationalist ‘freedom fighters.’ This is useful to the CIA and other Intel groups (Mossad, French, British, Saudi) to cloak their real purpose in the region: securing control over energy (mainly oil) on behalf of the cartels. They could give a rat’s ass about the Kurds in any variation, much less their nationalist aspirations or those of the political groups anyway.)

    They therefore make ideal ‘victims’ in the event of needful escalation in Syria.

    The attack on Kurd-sympathetic rallies like the Ankara one several days ago is a useful way to mobilize hostility to Erdogan as well as offering a political – and military – shoulder to cry on.

    But I suspect the Russians have anticipated this and have made appropriate moves. It helps that the consensus increasingly among the Syrian Kurds was that life was better under Assad: the project to combine them all under a single ‘Kurdistan’ is not really viable. Many of them will instead be reduced to supplying ‘security’ for the oil cartels – with poverty accelerating for most.

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  44. Thanks for the response. According to the link you provided, I thought the following excerpts were very revealing (something your passing comment doesn’t do justice to):

    “David Cameron knew UK pilots were involved in US-led bombing missions of Isis targets in Syria, even though parliament had expressly rejected British military involvement in the country in 2013.

    The prime minister’s spokeswoman said on Friday that up to a dozen pilots had been involved since September, but they were not operating under a British chain of command. “The PM was aware that UK personnel were involved in US operations and what they were doing.” ”

    “The House of Commons voted against military action in Syria in 2013 and parliamentary authorisation has so far only been given to UK air strikes against Isis in neighbouring Iraq.”

    Then there is this curious paragraph:

    “But David Cameron and the defence secretary, Michael Fallon, made clear they were considering extending the military air campaign to Syria in the wake of the Tunisian beach massacre on 26 June, which claimed 30 British victims among the 38 dead.”

    A bombing on a Tunisian beach necessitates a bombing of Syria? I checked out Wikipedia to refresh my memory to see if I had forgotten some Syrian connection to the Tunisian incident in June and came across this about the sole perpetrator: “He is believed to have been radicalized over such issues as the Libyan Civil War and Western inaction against the savagery of the Assad government during the Syrian Civil War.” Since Cameron and Sarkozy were the ones pushing for the attack on Libya, maybe Cameron should think of bombing the Houses of Parliament or at least 10 Downing Street instead.

    Then there is this:

    “They have indicated that they would seek MPs’ approval for an extension of air strikes into Syria, but no vote is expected before the autumn.”

    Why bother with a vote in Parliament since attacks have taken place despite a vote expressly rejecting attacks on Syria? Do we really want to cloud the situation in Syria with legal formalities at this point?

    BTW what’s the story with British pilots allowed to fly U.S. planes? Don’t we have enough pilots to do the job ourselves, or are we trying to make up for the fact that Britain continues to cut their defense budget? I guess the budget negotiations came down to a choice between pilots and planes, and the British realized that planes were useless without pilots to fly them. Makes sense to me. It looks like Britain is becoming a rather expensive “ally.”

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  45. Another false narrative is being created in middle east . Its the land of the fables .Now outsider are creating one more about ISIS . They are not indigenous product .They are created by West but is ascribed to some nefarious demonic after world ideology .
    In line with ancient useful fables of Jewish expulsion from Palestine by Rome , or 2oth century mass scale assembly line factory type of many gossip of Zionism against Arab, this one is another new on the landscape . Yes IS was created by the Neocon knowingly for the parts known and unknowingly for the parts unknown .

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  46. BTW what’s the story with British pilots allowed to fly U.S. planes? Don’t we have enough pilots to do the job ourselves, or are we trying to make up for the fact that Britain continues to cut their defense budget? I guess the budget negotiations came down to a choice between pilots and planes, and the British realized that planes were useless without pilots to fly them. Makes sense to me. It looks like Britain is becoming a rather expensive “ally.”

    Don’t be silly – truly your imagination runs wild.

    The reason for this is that there is innate value in exchange programmes between allies.

    Also, the failed vote was to bomb Assad’s forces. The current deployment is to bomb IS. While this is kind of funny it is not as immediately undemocratic as you suggest. Indeed if you want to work out why America did not bomb Assad 2 years ago, then I think the vote’s failure in the British parliament is a good place to start.

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  47. Yeah right – the west is all about bombing IS. Bullshit. Just today the US gave IS 50 tons of ammunition.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/

    According to all the maps published in the western media – your maps, not mine – there is no such thing as the “Syrian Arab Coalition” in Hasakah province. Only Kurds and IS.

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  48. Who ever would have thought that Putin and Russia would begin to represent the side that defends truth and the west would become the side that represents lies and hypocrisy?

    Actually, that’s been the case for a very long time, and a lot of the smartest people have noticed it. Dostoyevsky predicted this very thing 150 years ago and discussed it with his good friend, the Tsarist courtier and chief jurist of the Russian Empire, Constantine Pobedonostev. Oswald Spengler developed the theme along historiographic lines in his Decline of the West. And then of course there is the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima, who declared that freedom would issue from Russia if it were consecrated to her Sacred Heart, but if not Russia would spread its errors throughout the world.

    The thing to remember here is that Soviet Communism was by no means an organic Russian development. It was an import from the West via Jewish intellectuals, and we in the West are living out its continued manifestation. Russia has already thrown off the poison to which we are succumbing, and has the curative antibodies in its bloodstream.

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  49. ” Indeed if you want to work out why America did not bomb Assad 2 years ago, then I think the vote’s failure in the British parliament is a good place to start.”

    And I gave full credit to the Brits at the time in a post on TAC:

    tbraton says:

    August 30, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Two points from the Daily Beast account of the vote in Parliament:

    “Crestfallen, he[Cameron]admitted that he would not be able to proceed alongside the U.S. “It is clear to me that the British Parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly,” he said.

    Richard Ottaway, chairman of the House of Commons’ foreign-affairs committee and a member of Cameron’s Conservative Party, had conceded that any military intervention would not have been legal without action at the U.N. “There is no legal precedent whatsoever for an intervention of this nature without a U.N. resolution,” he told The Daily Beast.”

    Imagine that. A Parliament reflecting the will of the people and rejecting an attack on Syria. Plus an acknowledgement from the chair of the foreign policy committee that, without UN authorization, there is no legal basis for an “intervention of this nature.” Will miracles never cease? I don’t know about “God save the Queen,” but a cheer for the British Parliament is in order. Now back to the depressing reality that our President, a former lecturer in constitutional law and a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, will proceed to launch strikes against Syria without a vote by Congress and without a UN resolution.”

    BTW note the comment by the high-ranking British MP: “There is no legal precedent whatsoever for an intervention of this nature without a U.N. resolution.” So, despite the vote in Parliament and despite the fact that Obama has never received Congressional authorization and despite the absence of a UN resolution, both the U.S. and Britain have been illegally waging war against Syria and intruding into Syrian airspace without permission of the Syrian government. But when allegations are made that Russian jets are intruding into the sacrosanct airspace of Turkey, suddenly we hear expressions of outrage.

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  50. I don’t put any weight in appeals to international law, even when they agree with me.

    It is a bizarre concept if it applies to the whole and very diverse world.

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  51. Yeah right – the west is all about bombing IS. Bullshit. Just today the US gave IS 50 tons of ammunition

    There is a signification body of people in the world who categorise anything they don’t like as a product of the West or Jews. I am not in that body. IS is the creation of Islamic obsessives and is opposed, however ineffectually, by the West.

    That our governments are somewhat incompetent does not surprise me!

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  52. US Caught Faking It in Syria
    by Thomas Harrington, October 12, 2015
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    The great danger of faking your ability to do something in the public square is that someone with an actual desire to the job you are pretending to do might come along and show you up.

    This is what has just happened to the US in Syria with the entrance of Russia into the fight against ISIL.

    And as is generally the case with posers caught with their pants down, the US policy elites are not happy about it.

    You see, the US strategic goal in Syria is not as your faithful mainstream media servants (led by that redoubtable channeler of Neo-Con smokescreens at the NYT Michael Gordon) might have you believe to save the Syrian people from the ravages of the long-standing Assad dictatorship, but rather to heighten the level of internecine conflict in that country to the point where it will not be able to serve as a bulwark against Israeli regional hegemony for at least another generation.

    How do we know? Because important protagonists in the Israelo-American policy planning elite have advertised the fact with a surprising degree of clarity in documents and public statements issued over the last several decades.

    The key here is learning to listen to what our cultural training has not prepared us to hear.

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    In 1982, as the Likud Party (which is to say, the institutional incarnation of the Revisionist Zionist belief, first articulated by Jabotinsky in the ”Iron Wall” that the only way to deal with “the Arabs” in and around Israel was through unrelenting force and the inducement of cultural fragmentation) was consolidating its hold on the foreign policy establishment of Israel, a journalist named Oded Yinon, who had formerly worked at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, published an article in which he outlined the strategic approach his country needed to take in the coming years.

    What follows are some excerpts from Israel Shahak’s English translation of that text:

    “Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon….”

    “Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north.”

    “If Egypt falls apart, countries like Libya, Sudan, or even the more distant states will not continue to exist in their present form and will join the downfall and dissolution of Egypt.

    “There is no chance that Jordan will continue to exist in its present structure for a long time, and Israel’s policy, both in war and in peace, ought to be directed at the liquidation of Jordan under the present regime and the transfer of power to the Palestinian majority.”

    Yinon’s vision reappeared in the now infamous “Clean Break” document from 1996, authored by a consortium of US and Israeli “strategic thinkers” that included Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David and Meyrav Wurmser, which was meant to serve as a foreign policy blueprint for the first administration of Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The text is nothing if not obsessive regarding the need to seriously debilitate Syria’s ability to act in any way is a pole of regional influence in the in the area .

    “Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.”

    “Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.”

    And as Dan Sanchez has recently shown, David Wurmser went into even greater detail about the need to balkanize Israel’s northeastern neighbor in articles published in approximately the same time period, talking quite openly in one essay about “expediting the chaotic collapse“ of Baathist Syria.

    Then there is Wesley Clark’s famous interview, given in 2007, in which he revealed the true strategic aims of those running US foreign policy in the wake of the September 11th attacks. In it, he tells of a conversation he had at that time with a Pentagon official who admitted that the real plan was “to attack and destroy the governments in seven countries in five years”.

    Those countries, according to Clark, were: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iraq. In the same speech, he explicitly ties the hatching of the plan to Richard Perle, head of the cadre of people who wrote in the “Clean Break” document of the paramount importance of putting Israel in position to “shape its strategic environment”.

    On September 5th, 2013, Alon Pinkas, the former Israeli Consul General in New York and well-connected member of Tel Aviv’s conservative policy elite described the Syrian conflict in the following terms in the New York Times:

    “This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don’t want one to win – we’ll settle for a tie,….Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.”

    I don’t think it can get much clearer than that. The US-Israeli plan in Syria has never been about helping anyone in that country, but rather insuring its effective dismemberment so as to further the perceived “strategic interests” of the Jewish state.

    As Tomás Alcoverro, the longtime Mideast correspondent of Barcelona’s La Vanguardia newspaper wrote on 9 October 2015, in reference to the combined Russian and Syrian government attacks carried out during the previous week: “If this joint offensive is successful, the US plan for continuing the war of attrition until both sides are exhausted will lie in ruins”.

    Yes, the US and Israelis, have been “faking it” in Syria for a good long time now. And Putin has come along and called their bluff.

    And they are not happy about it. Which is why the ongoing campaign of demonization against the Russian leader is being ratcheted up – if that’s possible – to still higher levels of intelligence-insulting hyperbole.

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  53. “IS is the creation of Islamic obsessives and is opposed, however ineffectually, by the West.”

    Correct. The French Resistance and the Soviet, Jewish, Polish, and Ukrainian partisans were the “creation of … obsessives” against the rapacious intruders which came for other peoples’ natural resources and land; the intruders had been destroying the families (by killing the civilians of all ages), infrastructure, and priceless cultural artifacts.

    As for ISIS, the facts do not align with your opinion
    “Special Ops Officer Blows Whistle on CIA Funded ISIS Through Swiss Bank Accounts:”

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/05/04/special-ops-officer-blows-whistle-on-cia-funded-isis-through-swiss-bank-accounts/

    “US Created The Islamic State (ISIS) for Sake of Israel and Military Industrial Complex: Ex-CIA contractor:” http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-created-the-islamic-state-isis-for-sake-of-israel-and-military-industrial-complex-ex-cia-contractor/5457911d
    “Did George W. Bush Create ISIS?:”

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/did-george-w-bush-create-isis

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  54. IS is the creation of Islamic obsessives and is opposed, however ineffectually, by the West

    Not according to this declassified Defense Intelligence Agency assessment:

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  55. Again, are you saying that the US army general made to look like an idiot in a public session of congress is a unwitting dupe, or deliberately sacrificing his career for the false-flag op that IS supposedly is.

    If Islamic State is a American and/or Israeli effort to destabilize the long standing Russian ally Assad regime why don’t the Russians just tell the world that? If the FSA is run by the CIA or Mossad why do the Russian accept the FSA are authentic popular rebels and publically say the FSA are not terrorists? I’m waiting. Another thing Russia does not accuse the FSA of anything, explain that. Go on

    Who is running the American army, Joint Chiefs and Defence Intelligence Agency in this scenario of a false flag IS and al Nusra which various commenters including yourself are propounding across this site; the the CIA and /or Mossad? If so you must explain why the US army generals are destroying their career and their own service’s credibility with congress.

    What is the objective of an false flag IS? Please don’t say it is the limited state in the west because s IS are taking crucial territory in the north east, they will control the whole of Syria as the only rebel force on current trends. Writers like William Lind have been claiming that we will see the rise of non-state forces for some time. So you are saying that IS don’t actually exist, if IS just a front for an overthrow of a Assad’s majority supported Syrian government it came after the indigenous FSA started the uprising. But the the Free Syrian Army were the original rebels and they had defectors from Assad’s army and professional people. IS were latecomers and have been taking territory from the the FSA. They did this back in June in Aleppo, and they are doing it right now in Aleppo. WHO HAS BEEN PROVIDING THEIR AIR SUPPORT. Who? Assad has a air force artillery and army and according to the Russians is fighting terrorist without support

    If IS is intended to win to have a war against Syria, why? That Syria has already been neutralised by the civil was so US involvement would actually lead to a real government ruling all of Syria, thereby making it a player again. Crucially, the main target for the US and Israel is Iran, and if Assad was defeated the US got tied up in an peacekeeping occupation role in Syria the US could not attack Iran.

    http://www.businessinsider.in/Putin-is-now-pushing-Assads-darkly-cynical-master-plan-in-Syria/articleshow/48990646.cms
    Russian authorities have reportedly been funneling jihadists from the North Caucasus into Syria, which could serve a dual purpose for the Kremlin. While sources told The Daily Beast that this could be a desperate tactic on behalf of security agencies and local authorities that are trying to curb Chechnya’s extremism problem, it doesn’t matter on the ground.

    That’s because incidentally or not, the end result is that Moscow gets the benefit of jihadists leaving Russia while the influx bolsters Assad’s argument that his rebel opposition is full of extremists.

    Not always this way
    When the Syrian civil war broke out in March 2011, many of the rebels fighting the brutal Assad regime were defectors from the Syrian Arab Army and nationalists who took up arms against Assad’s brutal crackdown. {…] But Assad had also infused the nascent opposition with the seeds of its own destruction, as Michael Weiss and Hassan Hassan explain in the book “ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror”:

    On May 31, 2011, only a few months into the uprising, [Assad] issued a general amnesty as part of his package of ‘reforms,’ mostly symbolic gestures aimed at placating the protest movement. In reality, the amnesty was more of a booby trap than a salve.

    Although meant to free all of Syria’s ‘political prisoners,’ it was applied selectively – plenty of protestors and activists were kept in jail, while an untold number of Salafist-Jihadists were let out.[..]

    Assad let them what became IS and al Nusra leadership of jail and Assad helped them with bombardments of FSA territory around Aleppo in June. Now the Russians are helping IS with air strikes so they can take the aforementioned key territory controlling the road to Turkey from the FSA. Russia is simply lying about who they are bombing and why, Russia and Assad are trying to eliminate the FSA, who are Assad;s real enemy, and boost the IS which is a semi-proxy of Assad and the Russians as proven by them in effect providing air support.

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  56. The way Russian airpower is being used is not ‘original,’ it is in fact doctrinal for every modern military and has been since modern infantry tactics were developed in WWI.

    I think that you missed something here: I spoke of “the Russian military operation”, “the Russian force in Syria” and of a “small force”. You substituted “airpower”. I never spoke of airpower alone. Neither did I reduce the operation to its purely military aspect. Furthermore, I tried to explain that the main effect of this “small force” is not a military, but a political one. In other words, the airpower component of the Russian force has an effect which is way out of proportion with the actual effectiveness of the bombing and support efforts. I will admit writing the sentence the way I did (at the top and the explanation below was bad writing, no doubt here) was a bad idea. But I wish you had read the entire article before blasting me for sleeping in basic tactics courses :-)

    And yes, from tactical CAS to strategic FOFA, the use of airpower (and missiles) to support ground operations is, as you say, doctrine. But the reason why the Russian operation is so effective is not a purely military one, not even a primarily one, but primarily a political one. Furthermore, what the Russians also did is was to boost the morale of the Syrian military, a psychological operation if you want, by making the “Assad must go” option a nonstarter.

    Likewise, the main “cover” function of that force for a possible Iranian military intervention will be primarily a political one, and a only secondarily a military one. The two, really, go hand in hand.

    What I call the “elegance” of the Kremlin’s solution is not some novel use of airpower at all, but the way a small military operation is used to achieve an immense political effect. This is why a few hundred Russian sorties have achieved much more than tens out thousands of US ones: when the Americans think doctrine they think kinetics. Russians always think politics first and kinetics second.

    Cheers!

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  58. If the independent news websites start moving to third countries, they can still pursue organizations in the West. I am thinking of the websites which use linking as the method of operation – antiwar.com for example. As long as they can lay their hands on the political opponents, they will use their “laws” to crack down. Perhaps, every Western regimes’ opponent will have to go the Snowden way. This is what passes for FREEDOM under Western regimes.

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  59. If Islamic State is a American and/or Israeli effort to destabilize the long standing Russian ally Assad regime why don’t the Russians just tell the world that?

    They don’t have to (although Lavrov has) because the Americans already said it for them; in a declassified Defense Intelligence Agency assessment (see the comment preceding your’s at #54)

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  60. “I don’t put any weight in appeals to international law, even when they agree with me.
    It is a bizarre concept if it applies to the whole and very diverse world.”

    I said nothing about “international law.” Both the high ranking British MP and I alluded to the charter of the United Nations, which both the U.S.. and Britain helped draft, which both signed and which grants both special status as two of the five permanent members of the Security Council. The UN charter makes clear that the surreptitious war against Syria and Assad by the U.S. and Britain is patently illegal according to its own terms.

    Aren’t you the fluff-headed poster who thought the clear and unambiguous language of the First Commandment, “thou shalt have no other gods before me,” actually means ‘thou shalt not venerate imagined false idols’? So you seem to have a propensity to come up with your own unique interpretations. You never bothered responding to my last post which ripped you apart shred by pathetic shred. http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-doctrine-of-superior-people-the-bond-between-israel-and-world-zionism/#comment-1153914 (Comment #177, September 23, 2015).

    BTW you seem to have the same trait as Wizard of Ooze. You do not respond to the main point of a message but launch tangential attacks. Who could possibly give a rat’s ass whether you think international law is relevant or not? I could not care less what your opinion is about the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that only Congress can declare war.

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  61. You think that it’s bad for me to highlight a minor flaw in your thinking because you believe, in a very paranoid manner, that I am trying to undermine what you say as a whole.

    I am of the first generation whose mature education consisted of reading stuff on the internet like iSteve. I am fully on board with the programme. I am just trying to improve what you are writing by fixing your obvious inconsistencies and errors of logic.

    And I fully stand by my comment about your lack of English comprehension. My point on that thread stands. Stop being so defensive! It’s OK to make a mistake and it’s OK to think in shades of grey.

    The whole concept of international law is immensely complicated and rather silly as a principle, no matter who helped draft it. Stop trying to score points through obtuse and lawyerly arguments, the only things that matter are the truth and the good of your people and family. Not saving face on an Internet forum.

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  62. Thank you for that very interesting and obviously genuine document. It doesn’t support the idea that the US supports IS or affiliates however. Indeed it implies the opposite, like I said.

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  63. But the reason why the Russian operation is so effective is not a purely military one, not even a primarily one, but primarily a political one. Furthermore, what the Russians also did is was to boost the morale of the Syrian military, a psychological operation if you want, by making the “Assad must go” option a nonstarter

    That’s a tremendous stretch.

    This is why a few hundred Russian sorties have achieved much more than tens out thousands of US ones:

    No it is better for doctrinally predictable reasons. It is a joint operation unlike the US bombing which is just dumb airpower except when with the Kurds when it is unsurprisingly effective.

    when the Americans think doctrine they think kinetics. Russians always think politics first and kinetics second

    Clausewitz is also academy 101. The Americans get that. The difference is that Russian politicians can deal with the real world whereas US ones can only deal in the multikult. And only politicians matter for politics.

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  64. “The United States said on Monday it carried out an ammunition airdrop for Syrian Arab groups battling Islamic State, as Washington shifts its focus to arming fighters inside Syria after ending a failed program to train a new rebel force.
    US air force C-17 cargo aircraft flew into northern Syria on Sunday to carry out the mission and all aircraft exited the airdrop area safely, the US military’s Central Command said.
    The US military did not name the individual groups that received the small arms ammunition but said their leaders had been screened by the United States, which wants to avoid weapons falling into the hands of Islamic State and al Qaida-linked fighters.
    “This successful airdrop provided ammunition to Syrian Arab groups whose leaders were appropriately vetted by the United States,” spokesman Colonel Patrick Ryder said in a statement.
    The airdrop came barely two weeks after Russia raised the stakes by intervening in the war on the side of President Bashar al-Assad and just days after Washington shelved a US military program to train and equip thousands of “moderate” rebels.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/12/us-airdrop-ammunition-syrian-rebels-strategy-revamp

    So it is obvious West is trying to keep the war of the attrition alive, financed, and re –kick-started again. Wasn’t it the real plan from the beginning as NYT disclosed in 2013?
    US says it ahs trained people who ran ,deserted or simply joined the ISIS and never fought against Assad . US says it could count in one hand all the men it has trained .
    Now it is dumping ammunition on some rebels on the ground.

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  65. “By the way, according to the Pentagon’s own testimony before a congressional committee, only sixty “vetted” fighters were sent into Syria to take on both Assad and ISIS. And while they denied, at first, that their pet “moderates” betrayed Washington and handed over most of their weapons and other equipment to al-Qaeda in return for “safe passage,” the Pentagon later admitted it. Furthermore, we were told that these were the only “vetted” fighters actually in the field, but now we are confronted with “Tajammu al-Aaza,” which – it’s being reported – is deploying US-supplied missile guidance systems against Syrian government forces.
    So a handful of “vetted” fighters suddenly turns into an entire armed force – one which, you’ll note, has effectively merged with al-Qaeda.
    The lies are coming at us so fast and thick in the first 24 hours of the Russian strikes that we face a veritable blizzard of obfuscation. They range from the egregious – alleged photos of “civilian casualties” that turn out to be fake – to the more subtle: a supposed Free Syrian Army commander is reported killed [ Iyad al Deek ] by a Russian air strike, and yet it appears that very same commander was kidnapped by ISIS last year. We are told that the town of Rastan, the site of Russian strikes, isn’t under the control of ISIS – except it was when ISIS was executing gay men there.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/10/01/war-party-hates-putin-loves-al-qaeda/

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  66. Actually, that’s been the case for a very long time, and a lot of the smartest people have noticed it.

    True. And–to add to your list of prophets–there’s Edgar Cayce:

    Through Russia, Cayce said “comes the hope of the world. Not in respect to what is sometimes termed Communism or Bolshevism — no! But freedom — freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man. The principle has been born there. It will take years for it to be crystallized; yet out of Russia comes again the hope of the world.”

    Source: http://www.rense.com/general82/hope.htm

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  67. Brezhenski is behaving like Kagan Rice Power,Clinton and AIPAC have been on Syria. He is being quoted . His suggestion is being discussed . His rhetorics are being presented as foreign policy worth considering .

    But why nobody referred to his caution and opposition to Iraq war? Why nobody allowed his voice to be heard for years on Iran ? Why nobody ever gave a moment’s consideration to his warnings on the damages the neocon were wrecking on America ?

    Because his judgement on neocon’s Zionism based Israeli centric existence was not to be tolerated

    . Then he was outside the mainstream! He went far off outside the play ground ! How could the bought and paid Congress and media honcho could allow that? They can’t.

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  69. Thank you for sparing me from answering the long and deceptive post by Sean. According to his logic, neither of the US-conducted regime changes could be attributed to the US because there had been no officially proclaimed US personal in charge of the nefarious activities.

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  70. I believe a transport dropping ammunition for ISIS would be counted as a “sortee.’

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  71. dominated by far left leaning fairytale ideology

    That’s certainly the dominant ideology — Trotskyite roots of neo-conservatism and all that, then mix in a little liberal interventionism.

    However, the actual deeds of this bipartisan cabal are anything but “leftist.” The deeds are pure fascism. I would suggest that, rather than slamming true leftism, which is always antiwar, you try to find the commonalities between “libertarian or truth/freedom loving conservatives” and such “leftists” as the Green Party, real socialists (not Bernie Sanders), Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader, all of whom oppose US foreign policy and do their best to defend our Constitutional freedoms and “rights of Englishmen.”

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  72. Hmm. So the UK is providing “volunteers” for the effort in Syria, just as Russia is providing “volunteers” for the effort in Donbas. Interesting.

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  73. OMG, your conspiracy theories are far worse that the Truthers. They at least have legitimate questions that were never adequately answered by the 9-11 Commission.

    Gen. Lloyd Austin follows orders. He was not disgraced by his testimony; the policy makers were disgraced. But you didn’t even allow him the courtesy of searching the web for his name.

    You are blind to the actual purpose of US policy. It is to sell arms and ammunition. The point is not to win a war but to have one, and arming your declared enemy, ISIS, is one of the best ways to do that.

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  74. Thank you for that very interesting and obviously genuine document. It doesn’t support the idea that the US supports IS or affiliates however. Indeed it implies the opposite, like I said

    You’re the perfect troll of up is down and black is white, what an amazing, shameless liar. For the rest who read this, the document states:

    “…there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria .. and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime…”

    -https://www.scribd.com/doc/268764979/DIA-assessment-public-domain

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  75. Great comment, Priss Factory. I especially like your use of the term “declared narrative”. Very useful terminology. Would you say its a term similar to the word “meme”, except that it references more precise, more concrete ideas. A “declared narrative” strikes me as being the public face and cutting edge of (largely obscured) ideology.

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  76. Some observations:

    1/ No threats of economic sanctions from the US/EU, and related to that:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/08/uk-eu-juncker-russia-idUKKCN0S22MF20151008

    “Europe must improve its relationship with Russia and should not let this be something decided by Washington, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said on Thursday.”

    BTW this story was completely ignored by the house paper of the British Eurocracy: The Guardian. Even their Russia correspondent, Shaun Walker, who occasionally shows some signs of independence on his twitter feed (never his articles) ignored the story. The management must have made it very clear that any mention would be career limiting.

    This suggests serious Euro-Anglo tensions.

    2/ Nato made noises about Turkey, but in the same week withdrew Patriot missiles on schedule.

    3/ The cruise missile strikes are pretty significant. Possibly a warning shot to the Saudis?

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  77. Painful to read: “Putin Crushes BBC Smartass: ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KHCNk9BYy4
    The moral rot of the US is on the universal display.

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  78. Colin Powell? With the vial of “yellow cake”? Your memory is short. Anyone of the neocons will quickly whore themselves. You forget, the NSA has dirt on everybody.

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  79. The supporting powers are not the US. They are local Sunni countries. I don’t understand how you’re having such a hard time with basic comprehension.

    In fact, you even lack basic common sense. You seem to believe that the US would not only support the formation of a state run by IS but that they would declassify their support lol! Come on…

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  80. It was a vial of anthrax, but your comment about the NSA is spot on.

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  81. The supporting powers are not the US. They are local Sunni countries. I don’t understand how you’re having such a hard time with basic comprehension.

    In fact, you even lack basic common sense. You seem to believe that the US would not only support the formation of a state run by IS but that they would declassify their support lol! Come on…

    You’re digging yourself into a troll-hole worthy of:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/

    The document…

    -https://www.scribd.com/doc/268764979/DIA-assessment-public-domain

    …also states “C The West, the Gulf countries and Turkey support the opposition”… now who do you suppose the document is referencing other than the Gulf States and Turkey when it states “the West”?

    People can listen to General Mike Flynn speak to that very document at al-Jazeera owning up it was highest level strategy:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2015/07/blame-isil-150728080342288.html

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  82. The opposition is a lot broader than IS, obviously.

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  83. So, troll, explain away General Flynn, US ex-intelligence chief, on ISIS rise: It was “a willful Washington decision” as he stated in the al-Jazeera interview and RT also picked up:

    ^

    And we have then (2012) CIA head Petraeus setting it all up with Saudi intelligence man Bandar bin Sultan:

    “Frequently the man who carried out dirty jobs… His [Bandar's] return in July 2012, alongside former CIA Director David Petraeus, was his final bet on the success of his political future.

    “Bandar had been bold enough to invest all his cards, including al-Qaeda, to win the deal of his life by overthrowing the Syrian regime”

    @ http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/19443

    There’s plenty more ; )

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  84. A bit off-topic, I saw this blog post from Michael Snyder.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-barack-obama-actually-trying-to-start-world-war-iii

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  85. The IS boosting stategy of Assad and Russia is an old trick.

    http://louisproyect.org/2015/04/06/syria-chechnya-and-the-jihadist-gambit/
    For the longest time now I’ve been making the point that Bashar al-Assad seems to have adopted Putin’s scorched earth military/political strategy in Chechnya. After reading the introduction to Jonathan Littell’s “Syrian Notebooks: Inside the Homs Uprising”, a new Verso book (good for them), I’ve discovered that there’s more there than just the near-genocidal blitzkrieg aspect. Remember how Bashar al-Assad released the jihadists from prison who would go on to provide the shock troops for ISIS? Well, it turns out that this was a gambit used in Chechnya as well…

    http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/how-putin-outwitted-the-west/
    According to figures from IHS Jane’s, only 6 per cent of the Syrian regime army’s 982 operations last year were actually directed against Isis. Most of Assad’s attacks — including with Scud missiles and the infamous barrel bombs dropped from helicopters on residential areas — targeted groups that opposed Isis, thereby helping pave the way for Isis to take over Raqqa and the oilfields of northern Syria. [...] In Syria the most effective US-backed, anti-Isis troops on the ground are the Kurdish rebels of the YPG — but the US has been powerless to stop its Nato ally Turkey from bombing the YPG in retaliation for a Kurdish insurgency inside Turkey that has little to do with the Syrian civil war. Nor has the US been able to protect two of the Syrian Sunni opposition groups that it backs from Moscow’s airstrikes — Russian jets have already hit the front-line positions of Tajammu al-Aaza in Talbiseh and Jaish al-Tawhid (part of the Free Syrian Army) on the outskirts of Al-Lataminah.

    Where Islamic State are not fighting they are essentially invisible. This is why they can survive in the face of US planes. In Afghanistan all that was needed was to the taliban expose themeselves to bombing by defending their territory . Islamic State will be unable to hold their territory. At present no one is attacking IS, they are doing the attacking, and with the Russian air support.

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  86. Nevermind that I’ve met a number of crazy Generals, he never says that the US supported IS. He simply argues that their actions through their allies helped IS as a second order effect.

    And the last time a Western government had the foresight to predict second order effects was before WWI.

    Your sources support my point of view. Not your black-and-white posing.

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  87. from the Michael Snyder’ blog:
    “…in a desperate attempt to shift the momentum of the conflict, a bill is going through Congress that would provide “lethal military aid” to the government in Kiev. Initially the bill would have provided 200 million dollars in lethal aid, but now it has been upped to 300 million dollars. There are some that believe that the final figure will be significantly higher.
    Once this bill gets passed, it will be an extremely important event. For the Russians, it will mean crossing a red line that never should have been crossed. You see, the truth is that Ukraine is Russia’s most important neighbor. Just imagine how we would feel if the Russians helped overthrow Canada’s government and then start feeding weapons to the new pro-Russian government that they helped install. That is exactly how the Russians view our meddling in Ukraine.” http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-barack-obama-actually-trying-to-start-world-war-iii

    The US war profiteers are itching for WWIII. The ignoramuses with connections in high places (and the opportunists of all stripes) are not able to comprehend the end of their own comfortable lives (and the lives of their children and grandchildren) if the WWIII gets started.

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  88. The S-300 system is already in Syria, on the black fleet flagship:

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150924/1027452728/moskva-drills-mediterranean.html

    The Moskva carries 64 of the naval version of the S-300.

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  89. What a dud. The Defense Intelligence Agency chief, when the document was written, can state the rise of Islamic State was a “willful Washington decision” concerning that precise document, al-Jazeera can read the intelligence document precisely the same way and everyone is wrong but you. Never mind there is ample supporting evidence the CIA had worked to arm the Salafists against Assad with their Saudi (and other) partners. Your stance only goes to show losers abound in this world. Adios loser.

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  91. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/warforisrael.html

    The ramifications are still being felt . It was meant to be felt IS is one of the values that are meant to impart the informational Americans who is in charge of US Middle East policy.

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  92. It’s a shame the article reduces to a footnote…

    *The lobby’s existence and power well predate its alliance with what may be called its Christian fundamentalist auxiliary, which has given it unprecedented influence over both Congress and the White House

    …the ‘power train’ or real drive enabling AIPAC policy

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  93. This is the most pertinent excerpt for me:

    Over the years, that segment, the organized American Jewish community – in short, the Israel lobby – has amassed unparalleled political power through skillfully combining the wealth of its members with its extraordinary organizational skills to achieve what amounts to a corporate takeover of the U.S. Congress and virtual veto power over the presidency.

    Who could deny what the real driving force is behind US ME foreign policy? The fact that Xtian Zionists have been co-opted is merely a bonus for them.

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  94. I can see what you’re doing now. It’s not that you have poor reading comprehension it is that you are purposefully obsfucating. All IS are Salafis but not all Salafis are IS.

    There is zero documentary evidence to show the US backing IS. Indeed your own sources strongly imply that it is not true.

    And if you want to appeal to the number of people who agree with you, I’m afraid that it is a minute minority of experts and opinion formers so that’s a pretty dumb line of argument for you to pursue!

    The simple truth is that the US opposes IS. It has provided close air support to the Kurdish forces who have defeated IS on multiple occasions, no doubt helped by US special forces embeds. Or what? You think the Kurds are lying when they say they have massive US air support? Or the British government is lying when we have to admit to killing British IS fighters in Syria? Why would the Kurds pretend to be supported?

    We bomb IS, we don’t bomb Assad. I know pilots, I know what is true in this matter. It is no secret and it certainly is no conspiracy – it would be impossible to hide. Get a grip.

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  95. The simple truth is that the US opposes IS. It has provided close air support to the Kurdish forces who have defeated IS on multiple occasions, … You think the Kurds are lying when they say they have massive US air support?

    You are absolutely right, the Kurds are not lying. But you are absolutely wrong, as well. Perhaps this analogy may be helpful. It’s like having a pit bull on a leash and it is trying to attack everyone in front of it. The US is trying to teach IS who should be attacked and who shouldn’t.

    IS is not permitted to attack the Kurds, as they have a strategic alliance with the Zionists. The US would like IS to focus their attention on the Assad regime, instead.

    So things are a bit more nuanced than some would like it to be.

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  96. Deduction wrote: “The simple truth is that the US opposes IS.”
    This is not truth.
    “SI stood for the Islamic State of Iraq. This was back in 2006, when they formed this cohesive group out of six insurgencies participating in Iraq. This was never on the media’s radar at the time; they were still just insurgents, and all insurgents were “Al Qaeda”.
    ISIS stood for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham. Al-Sham was formerly a caliphate on the land that is now Syria, Israel, Jordan, etc.
    ISIL stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. The Levant is a more historical/traditional name for Syria.
    IS is simply the Islamic State. They have been using this shortened name to refer to themselves more recently.
    Daesh is just the “ISIL” acronym in Arabic, but you’ll hear this name used by some Europeans too.”
    There is no difference between the above fractions. ” They’ve just changed their name a few of times, and rest of the world never completely standardized to one name.”

    Meanwhile,
    “The ISIS Islamic Terrorists are Supported by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia:” http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-isis-islamic-terrorists-are-supported-by-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia/5396171
    “U.S. delivers 50 tons of ammunition to Syria rebel groups:http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/
    “US Intelligence Confirms US Support for ISIS:” http://www.ronpaul.com/2015-08-08/us-intelligence-confirms-us-support-for-isis/

    And there are many more evidences showing that the US has created, supported, and augmented the power of IS and ISIS and such. Your proposition, “The simple truth is that the US opposes IS,” does not stand the test of honesty.

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  97. To the tired troll of hogwash, whose disingenuous self-sobriquet is ‘deduction’ (nothing could be further from the truth.)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/18/the-terrorists-fighting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/officials-islamic-state-arose-from-us-support-for-al-qaeda-in-iraq-a37c9a60be4

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=83e_1443298078

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/west-created-isis/196488/

    And this following tangential article on how the USA produced Islamic State’s top military commander (a sort of ‘indirect’ route to direct consequence)

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article35322882.html

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  98. Your problem is that you can read a lot of random information from the internet but you have no experience with which to interpret it and make sound conclusions.

    You are the worst type of armchair warrior because you don’t even seem to understand your obvious limitations.

    On one hand those like you and you use solid sources but then claim to be able to read between the lines. Somehow rebels must mean IS! And on the other hand you use obviously nonsense sources like globalresearch.ca to reinforce your ignorant link.

    Ultimately your ideas will never gain traction because not a single person who is professionally involved in these areas will ever agree to them. They are obvious nonsense.

    It pains me to read this stuff on this site because this site does genuine yeoman’s work in discussing taboo subjects in domestic policy. And you discredit this work by associating with it.

    Is the US harmful to world affairs? Yes. But it’s because our ideological commisars lack the open mindedness to deal with the world as it is as opposed to what fits in with their ideology. Your problem is that you apply the same close minded and ignorant approach to our commisars…you deserve each other and yet everyone else has to suffer the consequences…

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  99. Really, its sort of a back-handed compliment to draw the attention of a troll such as yourself.

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/

    LOTS of good reading at the above link… (for those interested in troll technique such as employed by ‘deduction’) I recommend ‘the gentleperson’s guide to forum spies’

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  100. “You’re the perfect troll of up is down and black is white, what an amazing, shameless liar.”

    You hit the nail squarely on the head with that remark.

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  101. “ISIL stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. The Levant is a more historical/traditional name for Syria.”

    Interesting. Why was the Obama Administration so anxious to change the terminology to ISIL when everybody else was using ISIS? Does the insistence on calling the group ISIL have any significance?

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  102. “At these meetings the Defense Science Task Force on Precision Compellance will survey the focused use of force so as to alter regimes’ behavior, and in ways that are most promising to isolate regimes of concern from their populations and supporting organs and bureaucracies. …..Of particular relevance are the cleavage planes, where the discriminating use of force might divide the interests of different strata, political, ethnic or religious groups, or even personal rivalries. (highlights are mine)”–
    —summary from the Federal Register of the proposed aims of the Task Force on Precision Compellence of the Defense Science Board on March 13th, 2002,

    http://original.antiwar.com/thomas-harrington/2015/10/13/at-war-with-islamic-extremism/

    And how do you mobilize the citizen? Make things up. Bigger the better. What is the latest after the Sarin gas attack ?
    IS is trying to get nuclear bomb from Russian who are America hater( Chicago Tribune’s little 1/2 lie in today’s paper )

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  103. “At these meetings the Defense Science Task Force on Precision Compellance will survey the focused use of force so as to alter regimes’ behavior, and in ways that are most promising to isolate regimes of concern from their populations and supporting organs and bureaucracies. …..Of particular relevance are the cleavage planes, where the discriminating use of force might divide the interests of different strata, political, ethnic or religious groups, or even personal rivalries. (highlights are mine)”–
    —summary from the Federal Register of the proposed aims of the Task Force on Precision Compellence of the Defense Science Board on March 13th, 2002,

    http://original.antiwar.com/thomas-harrington/2015/10/13/at-war-with-islamic-extremism/

    And how do you mobilize the citizen? Make things up. Bigger the better.

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  104. Wow, your link is an almost beautiful ode to paranoia. Of course, if you had the slightest clue about how the world works you would know that the intelligence services have no interest in you and that, anyway, they certainly don’t have the resources to devote to try to undermine your irrelevant internet arguments.

    But that’s the real root of paranoia – absurd and grandiose self-importance. And yet, I guess, who’s the real fool? Me!

    I have somehow secured a bit and somewhat time consuming part in your bizarre delusions haha.

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  105. I have somehow secured a bit and somewhat time consuming part in your bizarre delusions haha.

    With that said, I was wondering if the both of you might consider taking your argument elsewhere. It’s one thing to have a discussion in the comboxes; it’s another thing to monopolize an entire thread with it.

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  106. Lighten up dude, the guy urinates everywhere, like an overly enthusiastic chihuahua can’t contain himself, meanwhile causing lots of good informational links to be posted.

    So, you’re an admirer of Hegel? Or is your self-sobriquet some kind of a pun having to do with creationism? Or is it six of one, half a dozen of the other, isn’t Hegel just a German Rousseau with a thick accent who inspired the ‘Positive Christianity’ of the Nazi political platform? I think I just found a new subject for my ‘perverts of western philosophy’ collection, thank you.

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/06/perverts-of-western-philosophy/

    ^

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  108. The supporting powers are not the US. They are local Sunni countries. I don’t understand how you’re having such a hard time with basic comprehension.

    In fact, you even lack basic common sense. You seem to believe that the US would not only support the formation of a state run by IS but that they would declassify their support lol! Come on…

    The man’s unhinged, or a moron, or both. But there are enough commenters here that there’s always someone new around who hasn’t realized, and takes him seriously. At least he keeps using the same handle, though.

    Poor saps like Tbraton just make themselves look like fools by associating with him.

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  109. “Poor saps like Tbraton just make themselves look like fools by associating with him.”

    I find that hilarious. You drag me gratuitously into your response to Deduction, gratuitously label me a “sap,” and conclude that I make myself “look like a fool by associating with him.” Uh, your English is not especially clear. How do I “associate” with Deduction, whatever that is supposed to mean? I would point out that it was you who chose to respond to Deduction’s message #79, and not I. I generally do not respond to Deduction’s messages, and I specifically did not respond to Deduction’s message #79, unlike you. That’s why I think your dragging me into a dispute I have nothing to do with is so hilarious. I think even you would consider it really funny, if you had even one ounce of a sense of humor, but I was unable to detect even a scintilla of humor in your posts.

    BTW what’s up with your practice of quoting from messages and avoiding the identification of the messenger you are quoting from? I thought that this message might have been an isolated instance, but my quick review of your past messages revealed that it is a recurring practice. That leads me to conclude that you have adopted that practice deliberately, which negates the nice innovation instituted by Mr. Unz on this website, which allows a reader to read the response and then quickly check the message that the response is responding to. In addition to forcing a reader to scroll back unnecessarily to locate the message you are responding to, your practice results in the messenger to whom you are responding not being notified that someone has responded to one of his messages. And maybe that it is the answer. You don’t want other messengers to realize that you have responded to their messages, without carefully reading your message. That way you avoid having to deal with scathing responses labeling you an ignorant asshole. That might be too much for your insecure self-esteem to handle.

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