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Now that Trump has already comprehensively betrayed all his campaign promises and his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence, betrayals of his closest friends and allies, recklessly dangerous and utterly ineffective grandstanding in foreign policy, there are a lot of people out there who say “I told you so!”, “how could you take this clown seriously!” and “are you now finally waking up from your delusional state?”. Yes, a superficial survey of what Trump did since he got into the White House could appear to make these nay-sayers look right. But in reality, they are completely wrong. Let me explain why.

First, what these nay-sayers apparently ignore is that there are innumerable examples in history of the elites turning against each other, usually in times of crises. In the case of Trump, I submit that there overwhelming empirical data out there that a good part of the world elites really and truly were terrified of a possible Trump victory. The kind of hysterical, completely over-the-top hate campaign in which the US Ziomedia engaged in against Trump is something which I have never seen before and which, in my opinion, proves that the Neocon-run propaganda outlets (the Ziomedia, Hollywood) saw Trump as a major danger to their interests. Now, whether Trump had any chance against such powerful “deep state” actors or not is immaterial: Trump was a chance, a possibility and, I would argue, the only option to try to kick the Neocons in the teeth. And don’t give me Sanders or Stein as possible options, they were both 100% fake – just look at how both of them did Hillary’s dirty job for her (Sanders with his endorsement of her even though he was cheated out of a victory and Stein with her ridiculous recount). Even if Trump had just a 1% chance of prevailing, voting for him was an opportunity to achieve regime change in the USA and the American people grabbed it. They did the ethically and pragmatically correct thing. Trump was really the only choice.

Second, you can think of the elections as a giant opinion poll. What the American voter did is to send two messages urbi et orbi. First to the rest of the planet: Not in our name! We don’t support this regime! And then to the Neocons : we hate you. In fact, we hate you so much that we are willing to even vote for a guy like Trump just because we hate Hillary even more. As to the message to the Ziomedia it was crystal clear: liars! We don’t trust you! Go screw yourselves, we will vote for the man you hate with such a passion precisely because we deny you the right to tell us what to think. Yes, Trump proved to be a fake and a liar himself, but he will also be a one term President as a direct consequence of his betrayals. And it is quite possible that Kushner or Pence will now run the Empire on behalf of his real bosses, but the world will also know that this was not what the American people wanted.

Third, this gigantic vote of no-confidence in the Ziomedia will now force the regime to engage in all sorts of more or less subtle maneuvers to try to crack down on free speech in the USA. This is good news for two reasons: a) they will fail and b) they will show their true face. YouTube, Google, Facebook, Twitter and all the others are now becoming overt agents of oppression whereas in the past they still had (an admittedly thin) veneer of respectability. Now that it has become clear that the Internet is the last free-speech zone and that more and more Americans realize that Russia Today or Press TV are far superior news sources than the US Ziomedia, the level of influence of the US propaganda machine will continue to plummet.

Fourth, if we look at the immoral, self-defeating and, frankly, stupid decisions of Trump in the Middle-East and in East Asia we can at least find some solace in the fact that Trump is now betraying all his campaign promises. Hillary would have done more or less the same, but with what she would definitely present these policies as having a mandate from the American people. Trump has no such excuse, and that is very good indeed. Voting for Trump took the mandate away from the Ziocons.

Fifth, remember the “basket of deplorables”? “Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic.” If Hillary had been elected, then the ideology which made her characterize the average American as ugly bigot would be ruling the country by now. But she was defeated. Thus, it is becoming undeniable that there are two Americas out there: one which I call the “alliance of minorities” and the other what I would called “real America” or “mainstream America”. The defeat of Hillary has sent a powerful message to these minorities reminding them that they are exactly that – minorities – and that a political agenda centered on the hatred of the majority is not a viable one. This empowering of the majority of US Americans is, I think, a much needed development whose effects will hopefully be felt in future elections.

Sixth, Trump has already gotten one more or less decent Supreme Court Justice in. He might get another one in before he is impeached or his term ends. Hillary would have probably nominated the first Black or Latino genderfluid freak, a Chabad-Lubavitch rabbi or even Alan Dershowitz Himself (with a capital “H”) to the supreme court and dared anybody to vote them down. Of course, compared to the risks of nuclear war, a Supreme Court Justice nominee might not appear to be crucial, but for those living inside the USA such nominations can make a huge difference.

ORDER IT NOW

Seventh and last but not least, nuclear war is simply too horrible and threatens the future of the entire human race. I submit that we all, every one of us, has a moral duty to do everything we can to avoid it and to make it less likely, even if we can only act at the margins. This is one of those very rare cases where a single-issue vote really does make sense. I don’t care how bad Trump turned out to be. In fact, even if he turns out to be even worse than Hillary, I submit that it is absolutely undeniable that on the day the Election took place Hillary was the candidate for war and Trump the candidate for peace. Those who claim otherwise seem to have forgotten that Hillary promised us a no-fly zone over Russian forces in Syria. They also forget this absolutely crucial statement made by Hillary Clinton in early December of 2012:

“There is a move to re-Sovietise the region,” (…) “It’s not going to be called that. It’s going to be called a customs union, it will be called Eurasian Union and all of that,” (…) “But let’s make no mistake about it. We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective ways to slow down or prevent it.”

There are also persistent rumors that Hillary was the one who told Bill to bomb Serbia. So this women (sorry, I cannot call her a “lady”) does have a record and that record is a frightening one. God only knows what would have happened if she had become the President. She clearly is a hateful maniac with a personal hate for Putin. There is absolutely no evidence indicating that Trump had that kind of hateful personality.

So while “Monday morning quarterbacking” is fun, it is also absurd. Those who now tell us “I told you so” are right but for the wrong reasons, whereas those who supported Trump were wrong, but for the right reasons. Trump betrayed his campaign promises, but those who voted for him could not simply assume that he would do that, especially not when there was no reason at all to believe that Hillary would betray hers: does anybody seriously believe that after being elected on a promise of war she would have turned into a dove of peace? Of course not.

Simply put: Hillary was guaranteed bad. Trump was possibly bad. The logical choice was therefore obvious, especially when ‘bad’ would most likely mean nuclear war.

 
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  1. Trump didn’t fail, he didn’t even try. He boldly stepped into the ring and forfeited. Crazy former enemies now praise him. A senator, national traitor, and international sociopath recently gushed like an elderly schoolgirl that we now have madmen in power while spouting off a list of lies. Trump once mocked this man for getting less than 1% of Republicans to support him for President. This nut wants to declare war on half the planet and expects Trump to start bombing more nations soon.

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  2. Yep, Trump was far preferable to Hillary just like Obama was far preferable to McCain (and Hillary) 8 years ago.

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    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    You can't win. You can't even break even. Placing any faith at all in government is a waste of time and effort. Individualism is the way to go. A government of one is government you can trust
  3. Now that Trump has already comprehensively betrayed all his campaign promises and his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence, betrayals of his closest friends and allies, recklessly dangerous and utterly ineffective grandstanding in foreign policy, there are a lot of people out there who say “I told you so!”, “how could you take this clown seriously!” and “are you now finally waking up from your delusional state?”.

    I don’t see that betrayal of “all his campaign promises”: (Reddit list of Trump’s realization of his promises)
    Will you debunk this list? If not, why do you make a huge and patently counterfactual accusation against Trump without an explanation?

    Just to join the mass of naysayers?

    his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence,

    Excellent.
    You described a perception of an incompetent arrogant tenant looking at a mediocre repairman doing actual work.
    “Obama” was well-organized, guess why.

    This also means I don’t have to pinch myself to check if this iss real, because a smooth and competent removal of a giant totally pervasive system based on war that has been in existence for at least a hundred years would mean we’re just dreaming / dead.

    Second, you can think of the elections as a giant opinion poll.

    I ca NOT because I’m confident they were decided by those who controlled the voting process, including the counting. I do NOT think DJT became a president because the voters – the ordinary people’s votes, more precisely – elected him.

    Sixth, Trump has already gotten one more or less decent Supreme Court Justice in.

    Gorsuch the suave opportunist can change sides once again as he did previously.

    Seventh and last but not least, nuclear war is simply too horrible ….. I don’t care how bad Trump turned out to be. In fact, even if he turns out to be even worse than Hillary, I submit that it is absolutely undeniable that on the day the Election took place Hillary was the candidate for war and Trump the candidate for peace.

    This is NO logical argument. If Trump “turns out to be even worse than Hillary” then he has better chances of starting a nuclear war too! And: who was which candidate you already covered in Point 1.

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    As far as I know, the only promise Trump has thus far successfully kept was to nix TPP. The rest he seems to have abandoned, or else--like the travel moratorium--they have been blocked.
  4. Simply put: Hillary was guaranteed bad. Trump was possibly bad. The logical choice was therefore obvious, especially when ‘bad’ would most likely mean nuclear war.

    This current nuclear war meme is so 1950s. Only in America does it even see the light of day. When scanning the globe for the maniac nation irresponsible enough to drop atomic weapons history points a bony finger at the mirror. The reflected guilt has for seventy years clouded our judgement and caused sweating outbreaks of ‘nuke fever’ from time to time. We can only kill ourselves with guilt, or nukes, once; so get over it guys.

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/mad-in-the-usa/

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    • Replies: @aaaa
    >says nuclear war is a meme
    >nuclear war happens
    >then decides nuclear war is not a meme

    The threat is real, and military planners spend lifetimes worth of manhours trying to figure out how to 'win' nuclear war. I have no doubt that a decent number of cynical wonks in Washington actively want nuclear war to happen
    , @Seamus Padraig

    When scanning the globe for the maniac nation irresponsible enough to drop atomic weapons history points a bony finger at the mirror.
     
    What do you think Saker's implying? If you had consistently followed his posts, you would know that he doesn't think WW3 is going to be started by Russia or China. But he knows, as I do, that the neo-clowns are spoiling for a fight, so they could, in fact, get us all blown up.
  5. Eighth, nobody gives a rats ass what the saker believes. He’s as bad as the Jews he condemns in every article.

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    • Troll: Randal
    • Replies: @Longfisher
    I don't agree.

    LF
    , @aaaa
    That's just your opinion
  6. @jimbojones
    Yep, Trump was far preferable to Hillary just like Obama was far preferable to McCain (and Hillary) 8 years ago.

    You can’t win. You can’t even break even. Placing any faith at all in government is a waste of time and effort. Individualism is the way to go. A government of one is government you can trust

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    • Replies: @Realist
    Our government is without a doubt the most corrupt government on this planet....and the most wasteful.
  7. Few who understand how a representative republic actually works with its many moving parts, some complementary to any president’s agenda and some in opposition, actually expected Trump to be able to enact all the planks of his electioneering platform. This realist point of view exposes how deluded Trump was to think he could steamroll the Republic and how vacuous was and still is the left’s incessant, hyperbolic fear mongering about Trump being a tyrant in the making.

    The expectation of many, including myself, that Trump would encounter strong headwinds in implementing his more sinister plans has been borne out. And, this is important to those of us who voted against Hillary’s coronation and had to do so by voting for Trump. Why?

    Because, unlike the hyperbole of the left, we accurately assessed as low to very low the probability of Trump living down to the left’s wildly inflated fears of him bringing tyranny or fascism to the U.S. This then allowed us to vote for a deeply flawed candidate and against Killary with a clean conscience.

    I’ve said before and I’ll say again, absolutely no American presidential candidate in history but Hillary Clinton could have ensured a Trump presidency as well as her candidacy did. Couple that with the exposed corruption of the DNC nominating process which deprived us of an electable, progressive candidate, and, couple that again with our accurate forecast of Trump’s plans being impossible to enact in their most tyrannous forms and you have made a Trump presidency much less threatening than a Killary presidency.
    LF

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    Because, unlike the hyperbole of the left, we accurately assessed as low to very low the probability of Trump living down to the left’s wildly inflated fears of him bringing tyranny or fascism to the U.S.
     
    There's no real point in being afraid of tyranny or fascism at this point, largely because we basically already live under a form of corporate/deep-state tyranny. Our republic had been--past tense!--usurped, and we are now living in a zionist-occupied country. No, at this point I'm just afraid of getting blown up. That's what we've been reduced to, sadly.
    , @Realist
    "This realist point of view exposes how deluded Trump was to think he could steamroll the Republic..."

    The Republic doesn't exist we, including Trump, are controlled by the power elite.

  8. @Kyle a
    Eighth, nobody gives a rats ass what the saker believes. He's as bad as the Jews he condemns in every article.

    I don’t agree.

    LF

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  9. @Kyle a
    Eighth, nobody gives a rats ass what the saker believes. He's as bad as the Jews he condemns in every article.

    That’s just your opinion

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  10. @Robert Magill

    Simply put: Hillary was guaranteed bad. Trump was possibly bad. The logical choice was therefore obvious, especially when ‘bad’ would most likely mean nuclear war.
     
    This current nuclear war meme is so 1950s. Only in America does it even see the light of day. When scanning the globe for the maniac nation irresponsible enough to drop atomic weapons history points a bony finger at the mirror. The reflected guilt has for seventy years clouded our judgement and caused sweating outbreaks of 'nuke fever' from time to time. We can only kill ourselves with guilt, or nukes, once; so get over it guys.

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/mad-in-the-usa/

    >says nuclear war is a meme
    >nuclear war happens
    >then decides nuclear war is not a meme

    The threat is real, and military planners spend lifetimes worth of manhours trying to figure out how to ‘win’ nuclear war. I have no doubt that a decent number of cynical wonks in Washington actively want nuclear war to happen

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  11. President Trump has relegated to the Bin of Oblivion the Bush and Clinton crime families.
    That alone is worthy of the Nobel Prize.
    Trump has killed TTP, TTIP, and will soon get rid of NAFTA.
    That alone has earned him points into greatness for workers and environmentalists.
    Trump has exposed the MSM as liars, biased, frauds/fakes.
    And has exposed the Demos and Repubs and lefties and righties. All the same violent, lying bastards.
    Trump has returned the presidency from exalted royalty back to normal. Maybe will even let deplorables walk through WH without bother. And if not for THE SYSTEM’S attempt at assassination would remove the barricades that shut out Americans from ‘their’ govt.
    Trump has also exposed formerly analytical minds as hysterical, mouth frothers.
    And minus the cotton candy variety of aggression, pretend aggression, Trump has calmed the world. The world outside hysterical lefties and shortsighted righties.
    Soon, Saul Ryan and L. Graham and Mccain will be out of govt work thanks to Trump.
    No wars with Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and N. Korea. No, I havent slept through the relatively harmless missiles and BIG bomb.
    And still not even 90 days in.
    Get rid of the Deep State/the System’s attempts at a coup and we are looking at a much different and far better 90 days.
    And no, Ivanka and Jared are not the president.
    Get a grip.

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  12. Well Trump appointed the first married white male Protestant Supreme Court justice since 1975, so I guess there’s that.

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  13. From a nationalist perspective, Trump was obviously a better bet than his opponents. But the same can be said about Obama against HIllary Clinton, McCain, or Romney, and you can make the argument at least for George W Bush against McCain, Gore, or Kerry. This isn’t really a game where you can win.

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  14. […] Written by TheSaker; Originally appeared at TheUnzReview […]

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  15. Trump propagandists should be ashamed of themselves, but the Saker is still desperately searching for weak justifications.

    Trump doesn’t have a principled ethical bone in his entire body, so how can could he ever be trusted to do good whatsoever. It’s ludicrous to think otherwise.

    It’s amazing when looking at Trump how many people like the discredited Saker, Moon of Alabama and Paul Craig Roberts didn’t look at these ethical, moral and principled standards of Trump when propagandising his lies.

    It’s obvious isn’t it. those three don’t have enough of those essential human characteristics so they didn’t look at them closely when desperately believing trumps transparent lies.

    These people who I will never read again because they were actual propagandists for the evil Trump pushing his lies to help Trump ( even in a small amount) achieve murderous power.

    Obama is a far better and convincing liar then Trump ever was and yet what was learnt after Obama. Nothing.

    A great source of shame should be felt by those three. But I don’t think it’s in them.

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    • Replies: @Dissenter
    I agree with you in that he has discredited himself enough by supporting a person like Trump as if there was no tomorrow, but, even in the case that this was not so shameful as it is by itself, the same fact puts in interdict at the same time his supposed capacity to forecast/analyze anything in the political field.

    Anyway, I do not buy for a moment that he thought Trump was going to fullfil any of his campaign promises, neither I buy that he did not supported Bannon ( as he is stating to one commenter in his blog in the rude way he uses to do whenever he is challenged in any way ), since, who other he was supporting then when it was already clear and known before the election that Bannon would be the chief strategist in Trump´s WH? They all went in the same pack, along with the warmongering retired generals ( Flynn included ) who besides were working for the MIC ( thus, the swamp ) at that time when Trump recruited them for government.

    Another point for debunking that he was not supporting Bannon is that his ( admited ) supported Flynn was in charge of Breitbart Great Journalism when he was recruited for Trump´s team along with Bannon, who was CEO at Breitbart.

    It was clear even for amateurs like us that this was an intelligence operation to place the far-right in power, an operation which counted with the support of almost all the alternative media except some honest few, and some organizations which count with its own intelligence service and network of operatives, like the LaRouche organization.
    The Saker blog was flooded ( they were already there some months before the election, starting in the beginning of 2017, playing another role ) by these supporters of LaRouche, InfoWars, Breitbart and so on, along with its ramifications/franchises in Europe, those supporters of Alternative for Germany, UKIP and Front Nationale, who enjoyed there free bar to spread their hateful and extremist ideology and achieved erasing any other alternative point of view or ideology by insulting and harassing any people who could express opposite ideas or oppose Trump candidature/presidency in any way.
  16. @Ivan K.

    Now that Trump has already comprehensively betrayed all his campaign promises and his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence, betrayals of his closest friends and allies, recklessly dangerous and utterly ineffective grandstanding in foreign policy, there are a lot of people out there who say “I told you so!”, “how could you take this clown seriously!” and “are you now finally waking up from your delusional state?”.
     
    I don't see that betrayal of "all his campaign promises": (Reddit list of Trump’s realization of his promises)
    Will you debunk this list? If not, why do you make a huge and patently counterfactual accusation against Trump without an explanation?

    Just to join the mass of naysayers?

    his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence,
     

    Excellent.
    You described a perception of an incompetent arrogant tenant looking at a mediocre repairman doing actual work.
    "Obama" was well-organized, guess why.

    This also means I don't have to pinch myself to check if this iss real, because a smooth and competent removal of a giant totally pervasive system based on war that has been in existence for at least a hundred years would mean we're just dreaming / dead.


    Second, you can think of the elections as a giant opinion poll.
     
    I ca NOT because I'm confident they were decided by those who controlled the voting process, including the counting. I do NOT think DJT became a president because the voters - the ordinary people's votes, more precisely - elected him.

    Sixth, Trump has already gotten one more or less decent Supreme Court Justice in.
     
    Gorsuch the suave opportunist can change sides once again as he did previously.

    Seventh and last but not least, nuclear war is simply too horrible ..... I don’t care how bad Trump turned out to be. In fact, even if he turns out to be even worse than Hillary, I submit that it is absolutely undeniable that on the day the Election took place Hillary was the candidate for war and Trump the candidate for peace.
     
    This is NO logical argument. If Trump "turns out to be even worse than Hillary" then he has better chances of starting a nuclear war too! And: who was which candidate you already covered in Point 1.

    As far as I know, the only promise Trump has thus far successfully kept was to nix TPP. The rest he seems to have abandoned, or else–like the travel moratorium–they have been blocked.

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    • Replies: @Ivan K.
    oh, come on, "As far as I know, the only promise [he kept] " is willful ignorance.

    The very fact you praise Saker without an objection against his point on Gorsuch means you acknowledge he kept at least two promises.

    "As far as I know, the only promise Trump has thus far successfully kept "

    You contradict yourself. Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  17. @Robert Magill

    Simply put: Hillary was guaranteed bad. Trump was possibly bad. The logical choice was therefore obvious, especially when ‘bad’ would most likely mean nuclear war.
     
    This current nuclear war meme is so 1950s. Only in America does it even see the light of day. When scanning the globe for the maniac nation irresponsible enough to drop atomic weapons history points a bony finger at the mirror. The reflected guilt has for seventy years clouded our judgement and caused sweating outbreaks of 'nuke fever' from time to time. We can only kill ourselves with guilt, or nukes, once; so get over it guys.

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/mad-in-the-usa/

    When scanning the globe for the maniac nation irresponsible enough to drop atomic weapons history points a bony finger at the mirror.

    What do you think Saker’s implying? If you had consistently followed his posts, you would know that he doesn’t think WW3 is going to be started by Russia or China. But he knows, as I do, that the neo-clowns are spoiling for a fight, so they could, in fact, get us all blown up.

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  18. @Longfisher
    Few who understand how a representative republic actually works with its many moving parts, some complementary to any president's agenda and some in opposition, actually expected Trump to be able to enact all the planks of his electioneering platform. This realist point of view exposes how deluded Trump was to think he could steamroll the Republic and how vacuous was and still is the left's incessant, hyperbolic fear mongering about Trump being a tyrant in the making.

    The expectation of many, including myself, that Trump would encounter strong headwinds in implementing his more sinister plans has been borne out. And, this is important to those of us who voted against Hillary's coronation and had to do so by voting for Trump. Why?

    Because, unlike the hyperbole of the left, we accurately assessed as low to very low the probability of Trump living down to the left's wildly inflated fears of him bringing tyranny or fascism to the U.S. This then allowed us to vote for a deeply flawed candidate and against Killary with a clean conscience.

    I've said before and I'll say again, absolutely no American presidential candidate in history but Hillary Clinton could have ensured a Trump presidency as well as her candidacy did. Couple that with the exposed corruption of the DNC nominating process which deprived us of an electable, progressive candidate, and, couple that again with our accurate forecast of Trump's plans being impossible to enact in their most tyrannous forms and you have made a Trump presidency much less threatening than a Killary presidency.
    LF

    Because, unlike the hyperbole of the left, we accurately assessed as low to very low the probability of Trump living down to the left’s wildly inflated fears of him bringing tyranny or fascism to the U.S.

    There’s no real point in being afraid of tyranny or fascism at this point, largely because we basically already live under a form of corporate/deep-state tyranny. Our republic had been–past tense!–usurped, and we are now living in a zionist-occupied country. No, at this point I’m just afraid of getting blown up. That’s what we’ve been reduced to, sadly.

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  19. Another direct hit from Saker! Keep ‘em coming.

    To his list I would only add one thing: since the establishment has, by now, so thoroughly and publicly demonized Trump–who was never much of a wordsmith anyway–he is going to make a remarkably ineffective spokesman for their régime. Trump will bring shame and discredit on them whatever he does. This will further erode the régime’s legitimacy, and push other countries away from US-dominated NWO institutions, such as the IMF, NATO, etc. Sadly, there is now no hope of any meaningful, peaceful reform in this country. The evil, illegitimate régime must be discredited, systematically weakened, then smashed to pieces and replaced. I’m afraid there is no other way. It’s too far gone now.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Yes, yours is the most important point. The Deep State has discredited/demonized Trump so much that I cannot believe they would leave him President even if he now serves them relatively well. Pence would be much more effective as the leader of the US military junta, this is why he has been planted to be the vice. Kushner would be even more desirable, but he is too young and too obvious.

    My bet is that they will enjoy Trump debase himself for a little while longer, to enjoy the spectacle and demonstration of their own power, and then they will spit him out.

    I also agree with Saker on all his points.
    , @bjondo
    Trump was never a spokesman for THEIR REGIME.
    Trump was/is the anti spokesman.
    And Trump will not bring shame on them. He will/has shown the world what THEY are and shame, discredit follows.
    The "evil, illegitimate regime" has already been discredited by Trump. It is fighting back and those who should be supporting Trump are throwing stones and saliva and helping THE REGIME, THE SYSTEM, THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE DEEP, DARK STATE.
    3million strong visit to DC, the District of Criminals. Surround some important buildings and show who are the real Americans
  20. Usually before the general election in US, both candidates have to secure the vote of the deep state (or the establishment). Unfortunately, Trump didn’t do this prior to the last election. So Trump had little bit more campaigning to do in order to win the deep state vote. He finally got their vote after the missile attack on Syria. Trump is now their candidate too. Everything is back to normal.

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  21. As predicted…….here it comes…….AMNESTY. Trumpstein is now making noises that only “criminal” illegals will be deported, but the “dreamers” can stay with a “path to citizenship”. Get ready for the Dreamer Freedom and Responsibility Act of 2017…….

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  22. @tom.,
    Trump propagandists should be ashamed of themselves, but the Saker is still desperately searching for weak justifications.

    Trump doesn't have a principled ethical bone in his entire body, so how can could he ever be trusted to do good whatsoever. It's ludicrous to think otherwise.

    It's amazing when looking at Trump how many people like the discredited Saker, Moon of Alabama and Paul Craig Roberts didn't look at these ethical, moral and principled standards of Trump when propagandising his lies.

    It's obvious isn't it. those three don't have enough of those essential human characteristics so they didn't look at them closely when desperately believing trumps transparent lies.

    These people who I will never read again because they were actual propagandists for the evil Trump pushing his lies to help Trump ( even in a small amount) achieve murderous power.

    Obama is a far better and convincing liar then Trump ever was and yet what was learnt after Obama. Nothing.

    A great source of shame should be felt by those three. But I don't think it's in them.

    I agree with you in that he has discredited himself enough by supporting a person like Trump as if there was no tomorrow, but, even in the case that this was not so shameful as it is by itself, the same fact puts in interdict at the same time his supposed capacity to forecast/analyze anything in the political field.

    Anyway, I do not buy for a moment that he thought Trump was going to fullfil any of his campaign promises, neither I buy that he did not supported Bannon ( as he is stating to one commenter in his blog in the rude way he uses to do whenever he is challenged in any way ), since, who other he was supporting then when it was already clear and known before the election that Bannon would be the chief strategist in Trump´s WH? They all went in the same pack, along with the warmongering retired generals ( Flynn included ) who besides were working for the MIC ( thus, the swamp ) at that time when Trump recruited them for government.

    Another point for debunking that he was not supporting Bannon is that his ( admited ) supported Flynn was in charge of Breitbart Great Journalism when he was recruited for Trump´s team along with Bannon, who was CEO at Breitbart.

    It was clear even for amateurs like us that this was an intelligence operation to place the far-right in power, an operation which counted with the support of almost all the alternative media except some honest few, and some organizations which count with its own intelligence service and network of operatives, like the LaRouche organization.
    The Saker blog was flooded ( they were already there some months before the election, starting in the beginning of 2017, playing another role ) by these supporters of LaRouche, InfoWars, Breitbart and so on, along with its ramifications/franchises in Europe, those supporters of Alternative for Germany, UKIP and Front Nationale, who enjoyed there free bar to spread their hateful and extremist ideology and achieved erasing any other alternative point of view or ideology by insulting and harassing any people who could express opposite ideas or oppose Trump candidature/presidency in any way.

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    We had no choice. Clinton would have walked this country over the precipice never to come back, whether it was to be with disastrous war and accompanying bankruptcy or through the third-worldization of the US. The rest of the candidates of both parties were just rubbish. With Trump we bought time. The increased globalization that would have resulted from the oncoming trade deals has been axed. The Supreme Court would have become a zoo. The unexpectedly bellicose foreign policy is what’s taken people by surprise. The attack on the Syrian airfield and the use of a super-bomb in Afghanistan did nothing to alter the balance on the ground. It could be seen as a showy way of placating the baying hounds by doing things that create a psychological impact rather than a real one. The standoff with the DPRK might also be good theater since in fact the US has limitations as to what it could accomplish against them. It might just boil down to bribing China to exert economic pressure on them to climb down a bit.
    The election has brought the dichotomies in this country into sharper focus and harder to gloss over. The freaks in the streets, whose puppet strings are actually pulled by moneybag deep staters, are getting shriller and more irrational by the day. It’s a day by day thing now and as they say it’s not over till it’s over.

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  24. Considering the incredible resistance, from Obama the leaks and EO12333 to the FBI prolonging the Russian collusion investigation for political leverage, the CIA and the fake Russian dossier, mind boggling MSM propaganda noise and static, the NeoCon zealots McCain and Graham, the full obstructionist Democratic party and their triggered Leftist zombies, it seems absurd to at this date pass absolute judgement.
    As much as I was alarmed by the attack on Syria, it is not at this point destiny that there will be a shooting war with Russia. Certainly this show of force has neutralized the Putins Puppet Meme domestically and may have some strategic value. To my untrained mind, it seems possible that now that Russia has been given the reason to fortify the area with their S 400 and S 300 systems and with Iran at ready, Trump may have a politically viable reason not to allow the Neocons drag us into another quagmire.
    The MOAB drop in Afghanistan was certainly a symbolic gesture to North Korea, China is fully on board with the mission to stop North Korean nuclear proliferation by economic and diplomatic measures at least, obviously because of the Trump administrations leverage and pressure.
    I am concerned about the Deep State and that Trump may turn from his populist message and promises. As The Saker said there were no other choices.

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  25. Trump fooled me because he is not a politician. I expect politicians to lie. As slick as he is I was never taken in by Obama. Trump is the first major party presidential nominee I have supported since McGovern. It turns out Trump is just another war pig in the mold of Clinton, Bush and Obama. But thanks to the Trump candidacy I now know who are my friends and who are my enemies. The resistance awaits leadership and remains friendless in Washington. But the rank and file are now able to recognize one another. And we are keenly aware that the existing power structure has us marked for destruction.

    Remember who Trump’s enemies were during the election because they will now become his admirers. They will remain however, enemies of the people.

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Hmm what did you expect for I have never known a businessman yet who didn't lie steal cheat and walk all over everyone they could, for its the nature of the beast as Joe Kennedy remarked after cleaning up wall street "all businessmen are sons-a-bitches" and he was right..
  26. @Seamus Padraig
    As far as I know, the only promise Trump has thus far successfully kept was to nix TPP. The rest he seems to have abandoned, or else--like the travel moratorium--they have been blocked.

    oh, come on, “As far as I know, the only promise [he kept] ” is willful ignorance.

    The very fact you praise Saker without an objection against his point on Gorsuch means you acknowledge he kept at least two promises.

    “As far as I know, the only promise Trump has thus far successfully kept ”

    You contradict yourself. Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    Any Republican president, especially with a Republican congress, would have nominated a Republican SC justice. That doesn't set Trump apart at all from the establishment Republicans. And besides, historically, most of these self-described 'conservative' justices--with the possible exceptions of Scalia and Rehnquist--have turned out to be massive cucks.
  27. @The Scalpel
    You can't win. You can't even break even. Placing any faith at all in government is a waste of time and effort. Individualism is the way to go. A government of one is government you can trust

    Our government is without a doubt the most corrupt government on this planet….and the most wasteful.

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  28. @Longfisher
    Few who understand how a representative republic actually works with its many moving parts, some complementary to any president's agenda and some in opposition, actually expected Trump to be able to enact all the planks of his electioneering platform. This realist point of view exposes how deluded Trump was to think he could steamroll the Republic and how vacuous was and still is the left's incessant, hyperbolic fear mongering about Trump being a tyrant in the making.

    The expectation of many, including myself, that Trump would encounter strong headwinds in implementing his more sinister plans has been borne out. And, this is important to those of us who voted against Hillary's coronation and had to do so by voting for Trump. Why?

    Because, unlike the hyperbole of the left, we accurately assessed as low to very low the probability of Trump living down to the left's wildly inflated fears of him bringing tyranny or fascism to the U.S. This then allowed us to vote for a deeply flawed candidate and against Killary with a clean conscience.

    I've said before and I'll say again, absolutely no American presidential candidate in history but Hillary Clinton could have ensured a Trump presidency as well as her candidacy did. Couple that with the exposed corruption of the DNC nominating process which deprived us of an electable, progressive candidate, and, couple that again with our accurate forecast of Trump's plans being impossible to enact in their most tyrannous forms and you have made a Trump presidency much less threatening than a Killary presidency.
    LF

    “This realist point of view exposes how deluded Trump was to think he could steamroll the Republic…”

    The Republic doesn’t exist we, including Trump, are controlled by the power elite.

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  29. @bjondo
    President Trump has relegated to the Bin of Oblivion the Bush and Clinton crime families.
    That alone is worthy of the Nobel Prize.
    Trump has killed TTP, TTIP, and will soon get rid of NAFTA.
    That alone has earned him points into greatness for workers and environmentalists.
    Trump has exposed the MSM as liars, biased, frauds/fakes.
    And has exposed the Demos and Repubs and lefties and righties. All the same violent, lying bastards.
    Trump has returned the presidency from exalted royalty back to normal. Maybe will even let deplorables walk through WH without bother. And if not for THE SYSTEM'S attempt at assassination would remove the barricades that shut out Americans from 'their' govt.
    Trump has also exposed formerly analytical minds as hysterical, mouth frothers.
    And minus the cotton candy variety of aggression, pretend aggression, Trump has calmed the world. The world outside hysterical lefties and shortsighted righties.
    Soon, Saul Ryan and L. Graham and Mccain will be out of govt work thanks to Trump.
    No wars with Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and N. Korea. No, I havent slept through the relatively harmless missiles and BIG bomb.
    And still not even 90 days in.
    Get rid of the Deep State/the System's attempts at a coup and we are looking at a much different and far better 90 days.
    And no, Ivanka and Jared are not the president.
    Get a grip.

    You are living in a dream world.

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    • Replies: @bjondo
    which part of the listed reality is a dream?

    not listed was Trump's sending the FBI to Israel to stop the "kid" from sending more false flag threats to Jew around the world blaming non Jews.

    The 'youth' supposedly ill was part of an Israeli operation. Trump made 'em stop.

    Who else has done this?

  30. This is Saker’s best piece of analysis yet. A vote for Trump was not a wasted vote after all.

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    • Replies: @Dissenter
    Really? The thing is that Trump has nowhere to get him from:

    https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/236646-trump-tiene-nuevo-asesor-inesperado
  31. I dunno how it is that somone with no Russian connections, no Russian relatives, who’s never trveled outside NorthAm and who speaks nothing but native American (badly, as do most of us) agrees with your assessment. Maybe I need to get one of those tinfoil hats so I can get with the Rachel Maddow madness and avoid the Saker-style logical mind beaming?

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  32. “The logical choice was therefore obvious, especially when ‘bad’ would most likely mean nuclear war.”

    There were loads of other reasons too, to those who lived through the Clinton years. One never to be forgotten was the “It Takes a Potemkin Village to Raise a Child” demonization by Hillary of Christian home schooling parents, in which she encouraged state officials to place home schooling parents on state child abuse lists.

    Meanwhile… Albert Einstein was among those not brainwashed by state schooling. But then, he was counted by the FBI among the disloyal, who ought to have citizenship revoked for opposing nuclear weapons.

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  33. @Seamus Padraig
    Another direct hit from Saker! Keep 'em coming.

    To his list I would only add one thing: since the establishment has, by now, so thoroughly and publicly demonized Trump--who was never much of a wordsmith anyway--he is going to make a remarkably ineffective spokesman for their régime. Trump will bring shame and discredit on them whatever he does. This will further erode the régime's legitimacy, and push other countries away from US-dominated NWO institutions, such as the IMF, NATO, etc. Sadly, there is now no hope of any meaningful, peaceful reform in this country. The evil, illegitimate régime must be discredited, systematically weakened, then smashed to pieces and replaced. I'm afraid there is no other way. It's too far gone now.

    Yes, yours is the most important point. The Deep State has discredited/demonized Trump so much that I cannot believe they would leave him President even if he now serves them relatively well. Pence would be much more effective as the leader of the US military junta, this is why he has been planted to be the vice. Kushner would be even more desirable, but he is too young and too obvious.

    My bet is that they will enjoy Trump debase himself for a little while longer, to enjoy the spectacle and demonstration of their own power, and then they will spit him out.

    I also agree with Saker on all his points.

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    • Replies: @bjondo
    Trump is enjoying himself watching them/The Deep State actors act like headless chicken hawks.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    You make a good point. Trump could probably already be impeached and removed from office by virtue of ordering a major military attack on a sovereign power because of what the sovereign power did to its own people, all without even consultation with Congress or the cover of a UN Security Counsel resolution authorizing such an attack.
    , @Ivan K.
    It's impossible to agree with Saker on all his points because he logically contradicted himself:

    Trump has already comprehensively betrayed all his campaign promises and his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence ......
     
    contradicts


    Trump has already gotten one more or less decent Supreme Court Justice in.
     
    The Saker (why doesn't he sign himself with his real name, I dunno):

    Seventh and last but not least, nuclear war is simply too horrible .....In fact, even if he turns out to be even worse than Hillary
     
    If he turns to be worse than Hillary, we can be in greater danger of nuclear war from him than from Hillary.

    I submit that it is absolutely undeniable that on the day the Election took place Hillary was the candidate for war and Trump the candidate for peace.
     
    Yes it is "deniable" (a weasel term): there is that theory that DJT was dishonest and hence both were for war.
    These examples show Saker descending to babble and bluster that I've seen in small children, mainly.
  34. @Realist
    You are living in a dream world.

    which part of the listed reality is a dream?

    not listed was Trump’s sending the FBI to Israel to stop the “kid” from sending more false flag threats to Jew around the world blaming non Jews.

    The ‘youth’ supposedly ill was part of an Israeli operation. Trump made ‘em stop.

    Who else has done this?

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    • Replies: @bjondo
    Not only made Jew stop also brought it to world's attention.

    Very different.

    Very significant.

    But I have digressed from blind stoning.
  35. Listen up -
    best way to see Trump is through lying, biased eyes and hysteria. Not reality. Not through calm thought.

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  36. @bjondo
    which part of the listed reality is a dream?

    not listed was Trump's sending the FBI to Israel to stop the "kid" from sending more false flag threats to Jew around the world blaming non Jews.

    The 'youth' supposedly ill was part of an Israeli operation. Trump made 'em stop.

    Who else has done this?

    Not only made Jew stop also brought it to world’s attention.

    Very different.

    Very significant.

    But I have digressed from blind stoning.

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  37. @Seamus Padraig
    Another direct hit from Saker! Keep 'em coming.

    To his list I would only add one thing: since the establishment has, by now, so thoroughly and publicly demonized Trump--who was never much of a wordsmith anyway--he is going to make a remarkably ineffective spokesman for their régime. Trump will bring shame and discredit on them whatever he does. This will further erode the régime's legitimacy, and push other countries away from US-dominated NWO institutions, such as the IMF, NATO, etc. Sadly, there is now no hope of any meaningful, peaceful reform in this country. The evil, illegitimate régime must be discredited, systematically weakened, then smashed to pieces and replaced. I'm afraid there is no other way. It's too far gone now.

    Trump was never a spokesman for THEIR REGIME.
    Trump was/is the anti spokesman.
    And Trump will not bring shame on them. He will/has shown the world what THEY are and shame, discredit follows.
    The “evil, illegitimate regime” has already been discredited by Trump. It is fighting back and those who should be supporting Trump are throwing stones and saliva and helping THE REGIME, THE SYSTEM, THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE DEEP, DARK STATE.
    3million strong visit to DC, the District of Criminals. Surround some important buildings and show who are the real Americans

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  38. @Kiza
    Yes, yours is the most important point. The Deep State has discredited/demonized Trump so much that I cannot believe they would leave him President even if he now serves them relatively well. Pence would be much more effective as the leader of the US military junta, this is why he has been planted to be the vice. Kushner would be even more desirable, but he is too young and too obvious.

    My bet is that they will enjoy Trump debase himself for a little while longer, to enjoy the spectacle and demonstration of their own power, and then they will spit him out.

    I also agree with Saker on all his points.

    Trump is enjoying himself watching them/The Deep State actors act like headless chicken hawks.

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  39. @WorkingClass
    Trump fooled me because he is not a politician. I expect politicians to lie. As slick as he is I was never taken in by Obama. Trump is the first major party presidential nominee I have supported since McGovern. It turns out Trump is just another war pig in the mold of Clinton, Bush and Obama. But thanks to the Trump candidacy I now know who are my friends and who are my enemies. The resistance awaits leadership and remains friendless in Washington. But the rank and file are now able to recognize one another. And we are keenly aware that the existing power structure has us marked for destruction.

    Remember who Trump's enemies were during the election because they will now become his admirers. They will remain however, enemies of the people.

    Hmm what did you expect for I have never known a businessman yet who didn’t lie steal cheat and walk all over everyone they could, for its the nature of the beast as Joe Kennedy remarked after cleaning up wall street “all businessmen are sons-a-bitches” and he was right..

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  40. @Maxim Amplikov
    This is Saker's best piece of analysis yet. A vote for Trump was not a wasted vote after all.

    Really? The thing is that Trump has nowhere to get him from:

    https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/236646-trump-tiene-nuevo-asesor-inesperado

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  41. @Kiza
    Yes, yours is the most important point. The Deep State has discredited/demonized Trump so much that I cannot believe they would leave him President even if he now serves them relatively well. Pence would be much more effective as the leader of the US military junta, this is why he has been planted to be the vice. Kushner would be even more desirable, but he is too young and too obvious.

    My bet is that they will enjoy Trump debase himself for a little while longer, to enjoy the spectacle and demonstration of their own power, and then they will spit him out.

    I also agree with Saker on all his points.

    You make a good point. Trump could probably already be impeached and removed from office by virtue of ordering a major military attack on a sovereign power because of what the sovereign power did to its own people, all without even consultation with Congress or the cover of a UN Security Counsel resolution authorizing such an attack.

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  42. Simply put: Hillary was guaranteed bad. Trump was possibly bad. The logical choice was therefore obvious, especially when ‘bad’ would most likely mean nuclear war.

    The logical choice is to do whatever anyone who can initiate an nuclear exchange (in which both of you would die) wants you to do, eh?

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  43. @Ivan K.
    oh, come on, "As far as I know, the only promise [he kept] " is willful ignorance.

    The very fact you praise Saker without an objection against his point on Gorsuch means you acknowledge he kept at least two promises.

    "As far as I know, the only promise Trump has thus far successfully kept "

    You contradict yourself. Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Any Republican president, especially with a Republican congress, would have nominated a Republican SC justice. That doesn’t set Trump apart at all from the establishment Republicans. And besides, historically, most of these self-described ‘conservative’ justices–with the possible exceptions of Scalia and Rehnquist–have turned out to be massive cucks.

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    • Replies: @Ivan K.
    Fair point. Thanks for your comment.

    What you say is in accord with my point that Trump is a good president compared to many previous presidents.

    A final note:
    There's exactly one personal photo in Trump's Oval Office. It's not his wife, his kids or his grandkids. It's his father.

    When you want to judge Trump as a person, think of what that little detail tells you.
  44. @Kiza
    Yes, yours is the most important point. The Deep State has discredited/demonized Trump so much that I cannot believe they would leave him President even if he now serves them relatively well. Pence would be much more effective as the leader of the US military junta, this is why he has been planted to be the vice. Kushner would be even more desirable, but he is too young and too obvious.

    My bet is that they will enjoy Trump debase himself for a little while longer, to enjoy the spectacle and demonstration of their own power, and then they will spit him out.

    I also agree with Saker on all his points.

    It’s impossible to agree with Saker on all his points because he logically contradicted himself:

    Trump has already comprehensively betrayed all his campaign promises and his 100 first days in office are marked by nothing else but total chaos, incompetence ……

    contradicts

    Trump has already gotten one more or less decent Supreme Court Justice in.

    The Saker (why doesn’t he sign himself with his real name, I dunno):

    Seventh and last but not least, nuclear war is simply too horrible …..In fact, even if he turns out to be even worse than Hillary

    If he turns to be worse than Hillary, we can be in greater danger of nuclear war from him than from Hillary.

    I submit that it is absolutely undeniable that on the day the Election took place Hillary was the candidate for war and Trump the candidate for peace.

    Yes it is “deniable” (a weasel term): there is that theory that DJT was dishonest and hence both were for war.
    These examples show Saker descending to babble and bluster that I’ve seen in small children, mainly.

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  45. @Seamus Padraig
    Any Republican president, especially with a Republican congress, would have nominated a Republican SC justice. That doesn't set Trump apart at all from the establishment Republicans. And besides, historically, most of these self-described 'conservative' justices--with the possible exceptions of Scalia and Rehnquist--have turned out to be massive cucks.

    Fair point. Thanks for your comment.

    What you say is in accord with my point that Trump is a good president compared to many previous presidents.

    A final note:
    There’s exactly one personal photo in Trump’s Oval Office. It’s not his wife, his kids or his grandkids. It’s his father.

    When you want to judge Trump as a person, think of what that little detail tells you.

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  46. I agree that there was no choice other than Trump, and not just in the general election, but not for the reasons The Saker gives. Nuclear war wasn’t happening under Clinton either, but everything else was going to at least as bad, so voting for Trump as President was a no-brainer. The only question ever was whether to be for his getting the GOP nomination, and when Cruz came down on the side of blaming Trump for the attacks on Trump rallies he fully outed himself as an enemy of the people. And the other 15 or so couldn’t even separate themselves from their owners far enough to even flirt with the proper position on the invasion. Trump was never reliable on the subject either (he couldn’t even broach the subject of a Wall without promising a completely unnecessary Big Beautiful Door and had to be persuaded by a massively negative reaction from backing away from “They must all go – before most(?) being let back in” only a few weeks into the campaign for the nomination), though not cancelling DACA has been a bit of a disappointment, even for him. But he has engaged the kritarchy in the in-any-case necessary battle, and it’s unnecessarily defeatist to think that won’t end in his/our favor. Sure, it would nice if he hadn’t spent the entire time since securing the nomination sucking up to the GOPe (Pence, Gorsuch, Ryancare) but that doesn’t change the fact that securing the nomination over the unanimous opposition of the GOPe was important as a proof-of-concept demonstration.

    If you believed in Trump, you were a fool. But supporting his election was, at every stage, the correct choice. And his winning the election was a great victory, compared with the alternatives.

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  47. Sure. Trump was the only option. Anybody would have been preferable to Obama or Hillary. But no one could have been fooled for one second into thinking that a man with a political acumen inferior to Neanderthal’s could actually govern the USA, even if he kept his promises. His entourage is grotesque and his policies farcical, a litany of incompetence of unprecedented magnitude. And this may well be the reason why he was elected. What better card than Trump to demand the return of the left? Of course, if Trump is in the White House it is because someone wanted him there, and that someone was not the American people. Nothing in Zion is left to chance, and the American “spring” is just as genuine as the Arab “spring.” Trump is a puppet just like Obama, only funnier. But his posturing in Syria is unforgivable.

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