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When Zelenskii came to power, there were two fundamental options he could have chosen. These options were, roughly:

Option one or pragmatism above ideology: to make a determined effort to address Ukraine’s most urgent problems. At the very least, Zelenskii could have ordered his forces to stop firing and have them withdraw to a safe distance (Zelenskii had the full authority to do so, as soon as he was inaugurated and he did not need anybody’s help to do so). Obviously, such a move would have to be coordinated with the LDNR forces. And that, in turn, means that at the very least, Zelenskii should have opened a channel of direct communications with the two republics. This option could be described as “beginning to implement at least the very first steps of the Minsk Agreements.”

Option two ideology above pragmatism: to make a determined effort not to address Ukraine’s most urgent problems. The priority here is to declare that the Ukraine will not honor the Minsk Agreements: no talks with the LDNR, no ceasefire, no withdrawal of forces, no amnesty and, most definitely, no discussions about any kind of special status for the Donbass. This option could be described as “more of the same” or “Poroshenko reloaded.”

Prince Otto von Bismarck once famously said that “politics is the art of the possible” and I think that this is an excellent rule to keep in mind when trying to figure out what is going on and what might happen next. There is a lot of hyperbolic rhetoric out there, but no matter how delusional Ukie politicians can be, the reality remains something objective, and that objective reality is what will shape the future, not the empty ideological nonsense spewed by politicians (whether Ukrainian ones or AngloZionists).

Even his own presidential website does not work!
Even his own presidential website does not work!

As of right now, the overwhelming majority of experts have agreed that Zelenskii is not going for Option #1. This strongly suggests that the Ukraine is going for Option #2. But, as I have indicated above, Zelenskii’s Option #2 is nothing more than, well, “more of the same.” And this makes sense, especially if we consider that:

1) the same causes produce the same outcomes (after all “insanity is repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result) and

2) the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior

So what really happened? Why is Zelenskii apparently dead set on repeating all the same mistakes Poroshenko made?

As I have indicated in a recent article, the Ukraine is not a democracy but an oligarchy: ever since 1991 the most prosperous Soviet republic was mercilessly plundered by an entire class (in the Marxist sense of the word) of oligarchs whose biggest fear has always been that the same “horror” (from their point of view) which befell Russia with Putin, would eventually arrive at the Ukraine.

Here we need to make something clear: this is NOT, repeat, NOT about nationality or nationalism. The Ukrainian oligarchs are just like any other oligarchs: their loyalty is to their money and nothing else. If you want to characterize these oligarchs, you could think of them as culturally “post-Soviet” meaning that they don’t care about nationality, and even though their prime language is Russian, they don’t give a damn about Russia or Russians (or anybody else, for that matter!). Since many of them are Jews, they have a network of supporters/accomplices in Israel of course, but also in the West and even in Russia. In truth, these guys are the ultimate “internationalists” in their own, toxic, kind of way.

Some fine specimens of “ochlocrats”
Some fine specimens of “ochlocrats”

The other significant force in the Ukraine is the West Ukrainian (Galician) Nazi death-squads and mobs. Their power is not a democracy either, but an ochlocracy. These guys are a minority, a pretty small one even, but they have enough muscle and even firepower to threaten any nominal Ukrainian leader. Furthermore, these folks have profoundly infiltrated all the police and security forces which, in theory, would have been able to control or disarm them (the SBU, especially, is chock full of Urkonazi thugs).

Now let’s begin by looking at the oligarchs: their number 1 priority is to continue to plunder the Ukraine. For that, you need the opposite of “law and order”: you need lawlessness, chaos, violence and, most importantly, you need the tiny figleaf of “the Moskal aggression” to hide behind. In other words, while these oligarchs probably do not want an open a full-scale war with the LDNR (or, even less with Russia herself), they simply cannot allow peace to break-out.

The Ukronazis don’t want peace to break out either, lest their influence and power shrink back to something roughly proportional to their share of the population of the Ukraine. Besides, since their entire ideology and worldview is all about hating Russia and being anti-Russia, any peace with Russia is literally unthinkable for them. They and their Polish supporters want Russia to break apart in numerous small state-lets which they (or, in their delusional dreams, the Chinese) could dominate. These folks will always perceive Russia as an existential threat. In their own way, they are absolutely right: Russia will always remain the reality check on their delusions. This was as true in the distant 13th century as it is nowadays.

Finally, let’s keep in mind that neither the oligarchs nor the Ukronazis genuinely want the people of Crimea and the Donbass to be part of “their” Ukraine since the overwhelming majority of these people would categorically oppose both the oligarchs and the Ukronazis. Yes, for prestige and ideological reasons, all these Galician Nazis will always declare that “Crimea is forever Ukrainian” and “we shall reconquer the Donbass,” but what they are genuinely fantasizing about is the territory, and only the territory. As for the 2 million-plus virulently anti-Nazi people currently living on these lands, they simply want them either dead or expelled).

ORDER IT NOW

So, while about 70% or so of the people of the Ukraine want peace to return and the horrors of the civil war to finally stop, the only two groups who have real power want the civil war in the East to continue. There are even quite a few Zelenskii nominees who have declared that war with the LDNR is the only way to solve the crisis. Some even want war with Russia!

Reality, however, is a pesky thing and, as the expression goes, if your head is in the sand, your butt is in the air and the collective Ukronazi “butt” has been exposed in the air for several years now. This is also true for the supposed “reforms” of the Ukronazi forces.

Quite a few signs are indicating that most of the so-called “reforms” and “reorganization” of the Ukronazi forces were more about corruption (what else!?) and window dressing than anything else. Galicians are generally famous as world-class torturers and executioners of civilians, but not really military commanders (this is why Ukronazi “historians” are now desperately parsing every year in the history of what is called the Ukraine today to find some kind of “Ukrainian” victory; all they came up with so far are very small, completely irrelevant, local battles). In contrast, the LDNR forces seem to be doing pretty well, and their morale appears to be as strong as ever (which is unsurprising since their military ethos is based in 1000 years of Russian military history). Last, but certainly not least, there is Putin’s rather striking warning during the Olympics when he declared that any Ukronazi attack would have, quote, “very serious consequences for Ukrainian statehood.”

This warning was apparently heeded both in Kiev and in Washington, DC.

The mood of the Russian public opinion seems to be one of total disgust and frustrated anger. It’s not like Zelenskii was ever very popular in Russia, but at least he was no Nazi, and he seemed to be willing to take at least the very first steps towards finally stopping the insanity. That hope is now totally shattered (the Russian media reports all the anti-Russian statements of the various Zelenskii nominees daily).

While the Kremlin more often than not sticks to its traditional diplomatic language, most Russian experts appear to be fed-up with Zelenskii and his antics and are now all pushing for some kind of hardening of the Russian stance towards this 5-year long Banderastan. And the Kremlin has paid attention: Russia is now handing out passports to pretty much any Ukrainian wanting to get one. This is the first step in a time-tested sequence, the next one which would be the recognition of the LDNR as sovereign states (as was done in Abkhazia and South Ossetia).

Many wonder what in the world Putin is waiting for and why Russia has not officially recognized these republics yet?

The reasons for this are as simple as they are compelling:

First, any premature recognition would further fuel the western fairy-tale about “Russia” having “invaded” the Ukraine to grab land. If the AngloZionists did not shy away from making such claims while Russian forces were still in their barracks, you could imagine the hysterical shrieks we would have heard from the “collective West” if Russia indeed had decided to move her forces into the Donbass to stop the Ukronazi aggression!

Second, to the degree that the Empire created an “anti-Russia” with its Ukronazi Banderastan, Russia created an “anti-Banderastan” with the LDNR. This is very important and must never be overlooked: yes, Nazi-occupied Ukraine is a never healing wound in the side of Russia, but Novorussia also is a never healing wound in the side of Nazi-occupied Ukraine. The big difference is that Russia is strong enough to cope with her wound, whereas the Ukronazi Banderastan never had a chance and has already collapsed beyond any hope of survival.

Third, Russia simply cannot afford to pay by herself the immense bill for the eventual reconstruction of devastated Ukraine. Just fixing Crimea is already an enormous and extremely costly task for Russia, especially after decades of Ukie neglect, but at least down the road, it is obvious that Crimea is headed for prosperity and that the returns on investment will be huge. But single-handedly rebuilding the entire Donbass is probably beyond the Russian means. Currently, Russia is already providing vast amounts of aid to the Novorussians, and she is basically maxed out.

Finally, let’s remember here that the UNSC approved the Minsk Agreements and that, as such, they are not an elective: the Minsk Agreements are obligatory under international law. And here is the beauty: Russia is not a part of the Minsk Agreements, only the Ukraine and the LDNR are. Thus while the AngloZionists mantrically repeat that “Russia must be sanctioned for not abiding by the Minsk Agreements” or “Russia must do more” – they all do secretly realize that this is empty, hot, air. Besides, even the duller western leaders now are beginning to realize which side truly does not want to abide by these agreements.

The sweet irony of Ukie politics: a Ukronazi vandalizes the portrait of the man who created the Ukraine in the first place!
The sweet irony of Ukie politics: a Ukronazi vandalizes the portrait of the man who created the Ukraine in the first place!

These agreements are even less popular in Novorussia than they are in Kiev: it is an open secret that the Novorussians will never agree to be ruled from Kiev again. Ever. And, sooner or later, they will join Russia in some shape or form. But that is in the future. For the time being, the Novorussians are smart enough to realize that they should go along and let the Ukronazi idiots openly sabotage these agreements. And since Zelenskii and his nominees are now declaring that they will never negotiate with the LDNR (which the Minsk Agreements require), it is not Russia or the LDNR which destroyed these agreements, but the Ukrainian government, quite officially so.

One striking development since the election of Zelenskii is the number of Ukrainian political figures which have openly declared that the Ukraine should simply militarily re-capture the Donbass (some even suggested Crimea). It is thus probably a good idea to revisit the military options on all sides.

Let’s begin with the Ukronazi dream: this is pretty straightforward, and plenty of Ukrainian officials have mentioned the “Croatian option” which refers to the surprise attack of the Croats (fully backed by NATO) against the Serbian UN Protection Areas in Croatia (see “Operation Storm” on Wikipedia). The model is simple: pretend to negotiate in good faith, get (sympathetic) peacekeepers to disarm all the locals, then attack them with everything you’ve got. If the LDNR were all alone, cut off from Russia, there could be a theoretical (if somewhat unlikely) chance of success of such an attack. But we need to remember here that the Krajina-Serbs (and the Bosnian-Serbs too) were betrayed by Slobodan Milosevic who did nothing to protect them. In fact, Serbia even slammed sanctions against the Republika Srpska. Finally, NATO had complete and total air supremacy.

The case of the LDNR could not be more different because far from betraying the Donbass or imposing sanctions as Milosevic did, Putin gave the LDNR the full support of Russia. If the Ukrainians do attack, Russia will have a very wide array of options to chose from including:

  1. Sending in more humanitarian aid
  2. Sending in more military equipment (the “Voentorg”)
  3. Sending in more volunteers (the “northern wind”), especially highly trained professionals
  4. Sharing intelligence and reconnaissance data with the LDNR forces
  5. Deploying forward air controllers (FACs) in special forces teams to coordinate artillery strikes on Ukronazi targets from across the border
  6. Shooting down Ukrainian missiles and aircraft (including UAVs)
  7. Engaging Russian electronic warfare units to disrupt Ukie signals (radars, including counter-battery, GNSS signals, audio, and video communications, data links, etc.)

So far, this is what Russia has already done in the past (options #5-6-7 only in a few specific instances).

Now what people usually see as the next escalatory option for Russia would be to send ground forces into Novorussia to directly engage the attacking Ukronazi forces.

In truth, Russia has plenty of other options before a ground operation. For example, one further Russian option could include:

  1. Officially declaring a “humanitarian no-fly zone” à la Libya, in which “all means necessary” will be used to stop the aggression and then immediately send in Russian fixed-wing and rotary-wing close air support & strike aircraft (under cover of interceptors and multi-role fighters, of course) and even bombers to destroy advancing Ukie units.

Russia could very easily declare a no-fly zone over the Donbass without moving a single air defense unit across the border: Russian long-range air defenses are more than enough to “lock” that entire airspace, especially if combined with AWACS and interceptors (with long-range missiles).

Still, these steps, while very visible, would still be limited to the Donbass area of operations. But Russia could take this one step further and strike very specific targets in the rest of the Ukraine. Specifically,

  1. Russia could sink the entire (tiny) Ukrainian “fleet” in port or on the high seas. That would not be militarily significant, but politically it would send the correct message.
  1. Russia could decide to also destroy the Ukrainian air force by destroying the main Ukrainian airfields. Russia could very easily do this with long-range cruise missiles. Once enough runways, ATC towers, radars, fuel and oil storage facilities, etc. are destroyed, the Ukrainian airforce as such would cease to exist (even if individual aircraft could be hidden and survive the Russian strikes).
  2. Next, Russia could get serious with the Ukrainian ground forces and begin striking key command posts, communication nodes, fuel and ammo dumps, bridges, etc. The goal here would not be to kill as many Ukrainian servicemen as possible, but to hit in the right places to make it impossible for the Ukrainian military to engage in coordinated offensive operations.
  3. Finally, Russia could decide to open the hunting season on key officials and begin executing some of the most odious Nazi officials (just to scare the rest). Again, cruise missiles are probably the most obvious option here, but other options can be very successfully used including the “Dudaev trick” (an antiradiation missile aimed at a Satphone signal) or even go “full NATO” and begin hitting politically symbolic buildings.

I mention these last four options because these are doable, but they are also total overkill.

The truth is that should Russia ever truly intervene, most Ukrainian servicemen will run or surrender (they did not vote Zelenskii for the privilegeto die for a sick, Nazi, ideology and worldview). Again, past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior and the case of the Crimea has shown that once the (relatively small!!) Russian forces intervened, nobody had the courage (or the motivation) to resist.

The popular joke about this goes like this: ask a Ukrainian nationalist why the Ukrainians are fighting in the Donbass, and the obligatory politically correct answer is “because the Russians are there!”; and if you then ask him why the Ukraine is not fighting in Crimea, he will reply “because the Russians are really there!“. This is very true. The Urkonazis have tried to engage in low-level forms of terrorism (planting bombs, mostly), but with very little success. As for really attacking Crimea (probably one of the best-defended locations on the planet by now!) – that would be a suicide mission for an entire US Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF), never-mind the derelict Ukie military!

Furthermore, for the Russians, they have been intensively preparing for a major war against NATO for at least five years now (for details, see here) and they are quite ready to take on the united West (that is what Guards Tank Armies are designed to do), so for them to take on the decrepit, corrupt, demoralized, disorganized and generally “mangy” Ukronazi forces would not even represent a significant effort. Every halfway competent military analyst out there knows that. Even the Ukronazi ones.

What this all means for the Zelenskii administration is simple: if you try the “Croatian scenario” you will end up not with a “Croatian outcome” but a “Georgia 08.08.08 outcome”: obliteration of your armed forces in 48 hours, followed by the net loss of 20% of your national territory (probably more in the case of the Ukraine!).

For many years now I have been explaining that the real goal of any Ukronazi attack on Novorussia would not be to really win, but to force Russia to openly intervene. However, this strategy has failed while the balance of forces, including in political terms, has changed. It is one thing to start a war with the LDNR only to force Russia to intervene, and quite another to expose your entire country to “very serious consequences” for its entire “statehood.” Putin’s (truly quite extraordinary) threat has explicitly raised the bar of the potential Russian retaliation much higher than it was before.

So is there anything even vaguely resembling *any* kind of solution in sight?

Well, in theory, there would have been the Minsk Agreement solution. The Novorussians would not like it, but Russia could probably impose it upon them. Russia herself sure could live with such an outcome (no, Russia has absolutely no need of any additional territories, especially devastated ones!). But since the Ukronazis are too ideological and delusional to ever accept that option, then there is an obvious Plan B: Russia unilaterally recognizes the LDNR Republics who then vote to join the Russian Federation. In theory, the rest of the Ukraine could realize that there are advantages to this situation, including getting rid of 2 million anti-Nazis. But their ideology (really a local uniquely Galician brand of ultra-nationalism – similar only to the WWII Ustashe regime in Croatia – imposed upon the entire country) makes it absolutely impossible for these rabid nationalists to accept such a loss of territory, particularly in a humiliating civil war against their own people (or so they claim). Simply put, you cannot claim to be the descended of the 200’000 year old “Ancient Ukrs” who built the pyramids, who dug the Black Sea, who gave birth to the Aryan civilization and whose language is the basis of Sanskrit and, at the same time, admit that a big chunk of your own population prefers death to life under your rule. In reality, not only are these folks not willing to accept any loss of territory (whether de jure or de facto), some of them are even claiming territories inside the Russian Federation.

Thankfully, their delusions really make no difference: Novorussia and Crimea are gone, forever, no matter what anybody says.

ORDER IT NOW

Frankly, I believe that even without Crimea and even without Novorussia current Nazi-occupied Ukraine is still not viable, if only because the southern regions (Odessa, Nikolaev, Mariupol) will never agree to become Nazi-occupied protectorates of the very same Galician Urkonazis who have already burned people alive in Odessa. The truth is that the Galicians would be much better off severing their (entirely artificial) ties to what is known as “the Ukraine” nowadays and fallback to their true historical lands. Ideology, however, will never allow most of them to see that. The process of disintegration of the rump-Ukraine will probably continue in one form or another.

Conclusion: how one slogan can lead to a very different one

The entire Ukronazi worldview can be summarized in their well-known slogan: “to drown all the Kikes and Polaks in Moskal blood” (or some variations thereof). The problem with this slogan is that there is simply no way the (relatively small) Galician population can ever succeed in permanently defeating their much bigger (and, frankly, much smarter) Jewish, Polish or Russian neighbors. Thus time and again, the policies which begin with this famous Ukie slogan inevitably result in a rather painful variation on another very famous Ukie slogan: “suitcase, railway station, Russia” but, crucially, in a fundamentally different combination: “suitcase, railway station, and back to Canada/Israel!” 😉

I personally don’t care what happens to these folks or to the lands which they historically inhabited. If the Austrians, the Poles, the Hungarians or the Germans want them – they are welcome to have them. After all, these are the folks who, along with the Papacy, created the Ukraine and the Ukronazi phenomenon. So, bien du plaisir!, as the French say: let them enjoy their offspring!

If the people of some future rump-Ukraine are strong and wise enough to get rid of that Nazi rot – good for them, they can count on Russian help and support for reconstruction. But if they are not – then that’s their problem.

When humans go out of their way to ignore reality, they deserve whatever comes their way.

 
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  1. peterAUS says:

    Not…one….word….about….genuine…Ukrainian……nationalists.
    Not oligarchs, not Galician extremists, but simply Ukrainian nationalists.
    Good.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  2. Lot says:

    “I personally don’t care what happens to these folks or to the lands which they historically inhabited.”

    Yeah right, you Putinbots are completely obsessed with Ukraine.

  3. Can you stop with the Ukronazi crap, what kind of Nazi Government has a Jewish PM and Jewish President ?
    Azov guys dying in Donbass and the street thugs in Kiev are just cannon fodder, they don’t run shit

    The majority of Ukranians don’t want to be in this conflict, I don’t see the point in demonizing all of them because of some fascist larpers

  4. Since many of them are Jews, they have a network of supporters/accomplices in Israel of course, but also in the West and even in Russia. In truth, these guys are the ultimate “internationalists” in their own, toxic, kind of way.

    Pure coincidence that this internationalist clique of oligarchs plundering Ukraine is Jewish. This is probably the first time that something like this has ever happened. They could just have easily have been Finns or Abkhazians

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  5. Malla says:

    People need to move on from the past and stop all that hating others for some past deeds. Polish or Western Ukrainian hatred for Russians, Russian hatred for Germans, Chinese & Korean hatred for the Japanese, Indian hatred for the British or the Chinese, Black South African hatred for Afrikaners. All these are counter productive for the people and are emotions which can be whipped up by the elites to have commoners die like cannon fodder at worst or to take away attention towards a past historic enemy to hide their own corruption/ incompetence at best.
    People need to see things from the other side as well.

    As far as the Satanic Zio elite pigs, they will use any ideology as long as it serves them. Democracy, Communism, anti-Communism, Islamic fundamentalism, anti-Islam, Jingoistic Nationalism, Anti-Nationalism/One Worldism, feminism, Hindutva, Buddhist fundamentalism (Sri Lanka BBS and the secret Zionist hand), Neo-Conservatism, Leftism, Colonialism, anti-Colonialism as long it suits them. They use them and discard them away when needed. But this seems to be the most extreme case ever. For the first time the Zio elites are using National Socialism as an ideology to serve them. The ideology which was probably the greatest enemy and threat to the Zio elites, in human history. Freakin crazy!!!

    • Replies: @Antares
  6. Marcus says:
    @Korenchkin

    Doubly true since the Faker himself would be called a “Nazi” for his “Anglo-Zionist” bs that he spews while living in Florida aka Brooklyn with palm trees

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  7. Mr. Hack says:

    More grist for Saker’s suckers. The Galicians (and Ukro-Nazi Jews) are behind everything. In Saker’s simplistic mind the Galicians have infiltrated all of Ukrainian society and run the whole show, when in fact this is just a bunch of nonsense. Well, at least Saker is putting to use his favorite Ukrainian pejorative…do I really need to repeat it again, ad nauseum?

  8. Mulegino1 says:

    I see. The “Ukro-Nazis”, in support of the Jewish oligarchs and the Jewish leaders of Ukraine, in some strange way, embody the spirit of 1941 and Operation Barbarossa. Not.

    The whole political world appears to have gone upside down. The ethnic Russians of Donbass, despite their denunciations of the “Nazi” Ukrainians, would appear to represent-however unwillingly- the spirit and goal of Barbarossa while the Ukies and their “Nazi” batallions would appear to be doing the bidding of their Atlanticist-Zionist masters. I respect the valiant defenders of Donbass and wish they would eventually march on Kiev and give a bloody nose to kosher NATO and its lackeys.

    The struggle of nationalism and ethnos against globalism and the rule of international predatory Jewish finance, knows no boundaries, rules, or clear definitions. It is quite obvious to me that the Germans were poised to bring down the Judeo-Bolshevik empire in late 1941, then history turned on a dime. Stalin turned the struggle for world revolution into the “great patriotic war.” The newly re-christened “Russians” fought off the Germans and their allies in cahoots with and with some help from the Anglo-Americans and their own auxiliaries.

    Ukraine could have become the equivalent of the American Midwest under German (National Socialist) economic development. Instead it has suffered under Jewish, or kosher, mismanagement for nearly a hundred years.

  9. ‘ …Russia will always remain the reality check on their delusions. This was as true in the distant 13th century as it is nowadays…’

    It’s nit-picking, but you might want to edit that sentence slightly.

    In the thirteenth century, both the Ukrainians and the Russians faced more dire threats than each other.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  10. Jeepers. I count the word ‘Nazi’ or some compound involving it thirty one times in the piece.

    That makes it pretty clear who’s in the right! Thanks for clearing that up.

  11. @Mr. Hack

    ‘…Ukro-Nazi Jews…’

    You have to admit that’s an impressive combination.

  12. @Colin Wright

    In the thirteenth century, both the Ukrainians and the Russians faced more dire threats than each other.
    I’d argue that today they face a far bigger threat, one that could erase their entire culture and race
    If the Ukraine ends up in the hands of the EU and Russia gets taken over by Eurasiansts then their future will be far grimmer then anything the Tatars could’ve done to them

  13. @Mulegino1

    Fundamental truth:

    The struggle of nationalism and ethnos against globalism and the rule of international predatory Jewish finance, knows no boundaries, rules, or clear definitions.

    Thus the label “The Enemies of Humanity”, and the reason why a Louis Farrakhan / David Duke summit coalition in opposition offers the possibility for instantly revitalizing Middle America’s sense of proper direction like no other human effort could, and the politicians who resist would be stripped naked showing themselves as treasonous shabby goys.

  14. Adûnâi says:

    “The other significant force in the Ukraine is the West Ukrainian (Galician) Nazi death-squads and mobs.”

    Where are death camps for the Jews? Where are racial laws that expel non-Ukrainians? Where is the propaganda of eugenics and healthy lifestyle? Where are construction projects bringing in jobs, and state-subsidized recreation tours?

    Ukraine is a Jew-driven shithole that has nothing to do with National Socialism. They don’t even honour the sacrifice of the SS Galizien.

    “but what they are genuinely fantasizing about is the territory, and only the territory. As for the 2 million-plus virulently anti-Nazi people currently living on these lands, they simply want them either dead or expelled).”

    A lie. Currently, more than a half of those “expelled” have migrated inside Ukraine. A stark contrast to Croatia where the Serbs were driven out of the country, and their land given to Croats.

    Again, Ukraine is suicidal and full of civic nationalism, nothing about it is blood-based.

    “They and their Polish supporters want Russia to break apart in numerous small state-lets which they (or, in their delusional dreams, the Chinese) could dominate.”

    Why do you consider this as a negative for the Russian people? The current Russian state is in its death throes as much as the US and France – the ethnic Russians are dying out, fleeing and being replaced. Any alternative might prove out more hopeful.

    “In contrast, the LDNR forces seem to be doing pretty well, and their morale appears to be as strong as ever (which is unsurprising since their military ethos is based in 1000 years of Russian military history).”

    I have to remind you that the Donbass was colonized far more recently than Ukraine – in the 18-19th centuries. What “ancient” traditions?

    “but Novorussia also is a never healing wound in the side of Nazi-occupied Ukraine”

    The Donbass has never been part of Novorussia which is to the west, from Dniepropetrovsk to Odessa. Admittedly, Novorussia’s colonists were mostly from Ukraine – it is clearly seen on the language maps.

    “The problem with this slogan is that there is simply no way the (relatively small) Galician population can ever succeed in permanently defeating their much bigger (and, frankly, much smarter) Jewish, Polish or Russian neighbors.”

    Khmelnitsky managed to do just that – 100k dead Jews. And he’s on the Ukrainian currency. Too bad modern “Nazi” Ukrainians have elected a Jew President. This is not the Khmelnitsky uprising, this is Kiev under the Khazar Khaganate before Oleg came from the North.

  15. In truth, Russia has plenty of other options before a ground operation.

    These days that means drones. Basically, attacking the logistical chain, fuel and ammo depots.

    Gum up the gears.

  16. Mr. Hack says:
    @Colin Wright

    So is “Dumb as Dog S__t.” 🙂

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  17. AP says:

    It’s a of nonsense as usual. This piece is quickly refuted:

    ever since 1991 the most prosperous Soviet republic

    People who spread this myth are ignorant or liars. It’s a common one, though.

    In 1990 Ukraine’s per capita GDP was $1570.

    Russia’s was $3485.
    Belarus was $2124.

    So in Soviet times, Ukraine was the poorest of the three Slavic Soviet Republics. It still is, the position hasn’t changed. It’s just fallen further behind.

    ::::::::

    Everything else is just as nonsensical, I won’t even bother to detail it, most of the commenters here are as dumb/ignorant/dishonest (take your pick) as the author pretends to be.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  18. peterAUS says:
    @AP

    It’s a of nonsense as usual.

    ….Everything else is just as nonsensical, I won’t even bother to detail it…

    Yes.
    That’s not the interesting part, I guess. Taking into account

    ….as the author pretends to be….

    what’s your take: why he writes like that/we have such posts here?

  19. I don’t know where Saker sources his history. Lenin had nothing to do with the creation of Ukraine.

    I live in Western Canada, where Ukrainians come starting in the late 19th century. I’m not referring to the primarily German speaking Mennonites that left South Central Ukraine, in the 1870s, fleeing religious persecution. By WWI, more than 200,000 were in Western Canada from all parts of Ukraine. They considered themselves Ukrainians, not Russians, or Galicians. They were, and to a great extent, still are Ukrainian nationalists. There continues to be friction with Polish and German local populations, although prior to the “rebirth” of Ukraine, it had largely subsided. Recent Russian immigrants are shunned as much as the “Poles” and “Germans”. Politically, they are generally left of center, and have been since their arrival, although in recent decades more have become “conservative” (whatever that means these days). A long ago former Russian Jewish co-worker who was a late 60s “escapee” from the USSR, told me that he would never vote for one of our political parties, because there were “too many Ukrainians” in the party. I asked a “Ukrainian” friend, who I had known since grade school, what that meant. His explanation was that there had always been tensions between Jews and Ukrainians, for centuries, because of what Ukrainians believed was exploitation by the Jews. Other “Ukrainians” and “Jews” have confirmed this.

    The reality is, that most people in most countries just want to live their lives in peace, with a job good enough to provide a decent home and food for the family. That 70% of Ukrainians want that is not surprising, it’s normal. That doesn’t mean they aren’t nationalists, and it doesn’t mean they are Nazis. However screwed up they are in trying to do so, Ukrainians are struggling to retain their identity and culture. IMO, they are up against internationalist forces from all sides, and none are interested in letting that happen.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  20. AP says:
    @peterAUS

    ….as the author pretends to be….

    what’s your take: why he writes like that/we have such posts here?

    Bringing out anti-Americans into the “open”? Bored? Vain (wanting to be considered as some sort of “expert” by those who know very little or nothing)?

  21. Beckow says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The Nazi name-calling is over the top, and not just with regard to Ukraine or Galicia. Historical grievances or revisions are not ‘Nazism’. Too many people look at Ukraine and over-interpret the nostalgia for Bandera or simple national self-assertion.

    But I think Saker is right about where this is going. Russian side has local dominance and that will not change. The only game in town for the last 5 years has been to see if the Western squeeze of Russia will work faster than the Russian squeeze of Ukraine. By now it is obvious that it won’t.

    Kiev has made some fatal mistakes. E.g. Minsk agreement was an incredibly generous deal, if Poroshenko had half a brain he would had jumped on it and today Donbas would be a remote backwater with autonomy. So? The state would be intact, taxes would be paid, passports centrally issued, etc… The eastern European dynamic is that any population always ends up disliking its immediate rulers – how long before local leaders in Donbas would be challenged by some younger corruption fighters.

    The whole Maidan thing was also terribly mismanaged – at its core it was about getting the best potential deal for Ukraine with EU (and Russia). In the middle of the negotiation suddenly Maidanistas decided that symbols are more important than reality and basically folded in front of EU. Consequently Russia walked. Thus Kiev got justa bout the worst possible combination on non-EU and deep hostility with Russia. Smarter guys would had handled it much better, playing both sides against each other – raising the stakes.

    And let’s not even get started on Crimea, while Ukies ate stale cookies, they lost overnight their most valuable possession – they couldn’t anticipate it? Being able to anticipate is a key to intelligence and in playing any game.

    So we can talk about what or who is driving modern Ukraine, oligarchs, Galicians, Jews, Kiev thugs, Canadians – it doesn’t matter, what matters is that they are incompetent. From Yushenko to Zelensky they are amateurs driven by emotion and greed. There is no state-forming force, there is no true Ukrainian nationalism that would play up Ukraine’s strengths and manage its weaknesses. Saker is basically right – they are in a no-win cul-de-sac, at this point any move will make their situation worse. Their best (only?) hope is a collapse of Russia. Now, how likely is that?

    • Agree: GMC
  22. bevin says:
    @Korenchkin

    ” what kind of Nazi Government has a Jewish PM and Jewish President ?”
    Israel.

  23. @peterAUS

    This is not a real nation. There is no such thing as “genuine Ukrainian nationalists”.

    AP doesn’t count – the dude lives in Canada! So Galician nutters is all you get.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    , @peterAUS
  24. @Felix Keverich

    Autism of this degree does not pop out of nowhere
    You had Cossacks and Mercenaries from the Ukraine joining up with the Poles, Swedes, Napoleon, Germans and others. Calling diaspora nationalists stupid is all fine and dandy but the constant bickering between people in current Ukraine and in Russia stinks of divide and conquer (which is what Ukraine vs Russia conflicts always were)

    Calling them stupid and calling their ethnicity fake(which they make an actual effort to preserve, such as it is) stinks of hypocrisy when so many Great Russians were willing to tear their country, religion and people apart in 1917 and join up with the Bolsheviks in the rape and pillaging

    You’d probably get far more progress calling them a branch of Russian civilization, you can cite Belarus and Siberian Ukraine as examples
    It’s easy to dogpile on some poor Hohol since they will always be on the defensive, but it’s much harder to understand him and admit your own faults while not backing down from your standpoint that you are both one people

    Serbs often made the same mistakes with Montenegro, and the result is the modern day shitfest where both it and Ukraine are run by hostile US puppets

  25. The Saker is correct that reality and pragmatism are essential ‘when trying to figure out what is going on and what might happen next.’ It is a hard calculation to make in a world increasingly chaotic and dark. The Minsk Accord is probably the only glimmer of light for Ukraine, but then all the lights – across the world – are going out.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  26. @Curmudgeon

    However screwed up they are in trying to do so, Ukrainians are struggling to retain their identity and culture. IMO, they are up against internationalist forces from all sides, and none are interested in letting that happen.

    What you posted is called a generic “to be against everything bad, for everything good”. Living in a world of unicorns and having rainbows as result of bowel movement is, of course, a worthy aspiration but reality with Ukraine is a teeny-weeny bit more complicated than mere attempts to “retain their identity and culture”. I’ll give you a hint, vast swaths of Ukrainian population (including in the East Ukraine) believe, as an example, that Ukrainian civilization precedes a Sumerian one. Many, very many, also still believe that valiant Ukrainian Armed Forces still fight, for the 5th year in a row, mighty Russian Army in the East. We are talking here about down right mental breakdown on a national level, granted, as I always say, modern Ukraine did happen, that is coalesced, as a political nation.

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  27. @Beckow

    There is no state-forming force, there is no true Ukrainian nationalism that would play up Ukraine’s strengths and manage its weaknesses

    There is one–modern Ukraine is a “anti-Russia” project, that is also a foundation of its state ideology and, I may add, mythology.

    • Agree: annamaria
  28. peterAUS says:
    @Felix Keverich

    This is not a real nation. There is no such thing as “genuine Ukrainian nationalists”.

    …the dude lives in Canada!

    You just have no idea how………..nahh…….I’ll pass.
    Moving on.

  29. mejohnr1 says:

    In the thirteenth century, both the Ukrainians and the Russians faced more dire threats than each other.

    In the 13th century there were no Ukrainians or Ukraine. There was Russia though, Rus’. Imagine a US state becoming independent today, from the rest of the US.. like Ohio.. and people are going to say “the first man on the moon was an Ohioan (Armstrong), not an American. Sorry, doesn’t work like that..

    • Replies: @AP
  30. AP says:
    @mejohnr1

    In the 13th century there were no Ukrainians or Ukraine. There was Russia though, Rus’.

    Because how names sound is magic.

    Julius Caesar was really a Romanian.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  31. @peterAUS

    Why bother posting a comment, if you got literally nothing to say? You’re worse than Saker sometimes.

    • Replies: @Anon
  32. Mike-SMO says:

    Ah. The Carrion Bird provides the musical background for the usual Russian Tankie approach to politics. They are re-building their armored theft divisions with sufficient anti-aircraft capability to shoot down any civilian airliners that wander within range. Hey, Thieves! Remember Dier az Zor (however you spell it). Drones, A-10s, AC-130s, Buffs, etc. while you screamed in vain.

    After the Russians (then operating under the “Soviet” trademark) killed 6 – 12 Million Ukrainians and then retreated (ran away) before the German invasion, they now call any Ukrainian who survived the Germans “Nazi” to cover the Bolshevik (Russian) display of cowardice and incompetence. I am sure that the Ukraine has some corruption, it is the remains of the Bolshevik Nomenclatura who hoped to steal what the Soviets abandoned when they fled (again). It takes a while to root-out that filth.

    By the way, the pro-Russian faction in the Ukraine are the Russians trucked into the void left by the “Kulaks” who were murdered by the (Russian) Bolshevik NKVD. If you don’t like the Ukraine, go back to Moscow. I am sure that they have a brand new gulag all ready for those thieves.

    Nice Birdie! Shut up and go crap on someone else’s parade.

    • Replies: @Biff
  33. Antares says:
    @Malla

    For the first time the Zio elites are using National Socialism as an ideology to serve them. The ideology which was probably the greatest enemy and threat to the Zio elites, in human history. Freakin crazy!!!

    This is untrue. Without the Nazis there would be no Israel. Why call them enemies? We should not look at appearances but at what is accomplished.

    As far as the Satanic Zio elite pigs, they will use any ideology as long as it serves them.

    Your words. I fixed it for you.

  34. @Colin Wright

    ‘…Ukro-Nazi Jews…’

    You have to admit that’s an impressive combination.

    Yes, but it wasn’t the Saker who invented it; it does seem to reflect what’s going on there. My only criticism is that he has given more prominence to the Nazis than the Jews, unless we consider “oligarchs” as a synonym for Jews.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  35. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    In the US they make jokes of dumb polacks , looks like the ucrainians are even dumber . All that part of Europe , central-eastern, seems to have a low IQ and a high degree of agression , a history of very bloody and useless wars .

    The US is full of the descendants of emigrants from those central eastern european countries .

    So much for european pride and for white supremacy .

  36. When I see words like “Nazis” in relation to Ukrainians, I know that article is sh!t & not worth reading.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  37. @peterAUS

    why he writes like that/we have such posts here?

    Like you have said in the past he is taking the Russian side. I think it’s a fairly good analysis of the situation if you go beyond his propagandistic terminology and what he leaves unsaid. Russia really doesn’t want to engage directly in the conflict but its best policy would be to bide its time and to encourage more pro-Russian separatism in Odessa and all other regions along the coast so as to eventually cut off Ukraine from access to the sea altogether. That would serve Russian interests best and strengthen its position against NATO, the EU, and the rump Ukraine, for whatever is to follow. It’s a shame for any real Ukranian nationalists but then they should have been smarter than to join all those colour revolutions on Maidan organised by the CIA, Soros, Jewish oligarchs, etc.

    That’s a frozen conflict for now. Let’s have another article on UR about the latest from the US sponsored colour revolution in Hong Kong and what are the best measures that PR China can take to quell the riots. And it’s about time they took back Formosa, but it won’t be as easy as the Russian takeover of Crimea, unless they can send a million Red Army guards there disguised as tourists to stage a silent putsch.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Adûnâi
  38. Anon[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Yeah.. and if you really press him on a point, his posts get more and more sparse until they’re just a bunch of massive blockquotes with vague one liners in between. He weasels his way out of any serious discussion and waits for the article to go dead so he can run away without losing face.

  39. Biff says:
    @Mike-SMO

    I am sure that the Ukraine has some corruption,

    Maybe? After the coup of 2014, how many government officials had to commit suicide before the new government was comfortably in place?

  40. @AP

    Julius Caesar was really a Romanian.

    Bwahaahahahh…

  41. @peterAUS

    why he writes like that/we have such posts here?

    Why are some people mentally deranged?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  42. Tom Welsh says:

    “As I have indicated in a recent article, the Ukraine is not a democracy but an oligarchy…”

    Like the USA, the UK, France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India…

    None of those countries have ever been democracies in any sense of the word.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  43. @Korenchkin

    ” what kind of Nazi Government has a Jewish PM and Jewish President ?”

    Israel.

  44. Robjil says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Neonazis is a good term for the people used in the Ukrainian ZUS coup. That is the people that was used to gain control of Ukraine for ZUS.

    This coup in Ukraine, woke me up.

    V. Nuland’s war cry to bless the coup was “F–k The EU”

    She used Neonazis to take over Ukraine.

    Wait. She is Jewish. I guess the 6 million story must be bogus. She admitted it, since if the 6 million story was real. She would have a great fear of a tidal wave of anti-S’ism overcoming her and her people. She had no fear. Thus, the 6 million story was proved to be false by V. Nuland. Thanks V. Nuland for freeing the world of that nightmarish propaganda that has saddled humanity for seventy odd years.

    Secondly, she told the world the reality of J. Supremacism by stating ” F..k the EU”. The world thought that ZUS loved the EU as its sister in world domination. I guess not. Would V. Nuland ever say “F..k Israel”? I think not.

    Thanks V. Nuland. A new Queen Esther or Queen Victoria.

  45. Robjil says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Yes, ZUS ukraine is being run just like the rest of us in the west.

    The little people are considered “deplorable” and treated that way.

    At least, ZUS ukraine is not be over run by people fleeing ZUS wars and coups.

    I guess since ZUS ukraine is not in good shape for these fleeing people.

    ZUS ukraine is in the same shape as the nations that the fleeing people come from.

    So there is no reason for them to go to ZUS ukraine.

  46. GMC says:

    Yep, agree with Saker – I lived there before , during and now after the Maidan and he’s spot on with most of everything – he has been, since the beginning. Zelinsky has a dozen or more bosses and he has Zero experience in what he’s doing. . Zionist Bankers and their arms dealers, Nato, Banderas gang,Washington, US Navy, Monsanto/Bayer, Royal Dutch {shell oil }, Dupont, Lilly Pharma, Cargill, and the list could go on. He’ll be lucky if he isn’t in Diapers by the time his term is up, otherwise he will be rich. I see that Poroshanster is being called out for taking 8 billion bucks out of Ukie-Ville. I wonder how much Trump and his family will end up stealing?. Thanks Unz Review.

  47. Kiza says:
    @Beckow

    Thus Kiev got justa bout the worst possible combination on non-EU and deep hostility with Russia. Smarter guys would had handled it much better, playing both sides against each other – raising the stakes.

    As usual, you nailed it Beckow.
    Also, Saker often misunderstands things but he is right that Ukraine is in a one way street mainly because of the out-of-this-World miscalculation that the rotten West will somehow help them instead of use them to create a festering sore on Russian border for just a few billion dollars in loans. It is the rest of Ukraine, excluding Donbas, that will have to pay off these war loans already stolen by the oligarchs.

  48. PeterMX says:

    I’ll take the “Ukrainian (Galician) Nazi” thugs over the Jewish-Bolshevik thugs and their supporters like The Saker any day. After all, the Ukrainian “NAZIS” only organized after the Jews killed 8 million of them.

    The writer writes “The Ukrainian oligarchs are just like any other oligarchs: their loyalty is to their money and nothing else. If you want to characterize these oligarchs, you could think of them as culturally “post-Soviet” meaning that they don’t care about nationality, and even though their prime language is Russian, they don’t give a damn about Russia or Russians (or anybody else, for that matter!). Since many of them are Jews, they have a network of supporters/accomplices in Israel…” So the writer knows many are Jews and knows they have strong support in Israel, but he says they have no loyalty. Is The Saker Jewish himself? I wonder because the Bolshevik Revolution was led by Jews for Jews, and that they hated the Czar and accused him and his father of endless overblown stories of torture and murder is well known. Why does he think today’s oligarchs are not loyal to Jews and Israel first?

    Ukraine now has its second Jewish president in a row and until the first one, Ukraine had a policy of good relations with both Russia and the west. Since Jews have led Ukraine, Ukraine has been anti-Russian. Could the writer consider that Putin might be hated by many Jews because he supports Syria and strongly supports Christians? Has he heard of Max Boot, a Russian born American neo-con that hates Putin? This is not normal for a “Russian” because Boot has strongly supported many wars, and although I have met Russians that dislike or hate Putin, it would not be normal to add fuel to the anti-Russian fire that already exists in the US. If I am guilty of suspecting Jews of dual loyalty too much, then this writer is guilty of deliberately ignoring the distinct possibility of dual loyalty, a term created to describe some Jews behavior over the centuries.

  49. @Commentator Mike

    I recall that at the time of the Zionist coup (We do remember Ms Noodleman’s : “fuck the EU” don’t we?) Ukrainian Nazi’s were a leading force in kicking things off.

  50. Skeptikal says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “In Saker’s simplistic mind the Galicians have infiltrated all of Ukrainian society and run the whole show, ”

    This was not what I read.
    The Saker said that oligarchs and Nazi militia groups have enough power to impose their will and their agenda on the rest of the population.

  51. Skeptikal says:
    @PeterMX

    Hmm, to me “dual loyalty” looks like either no loyalty or loyalty to The Tribe.

    • Agree: MAOWASAYALI
  52. @Bardon Kaldian

    When I see words like “Nazis” in relation to Ukrainians, I know that article is sh!t & not worth reading.

    This is because you don’t know what Raguli(stan) is and you cannot possibly know, because there are no “books” written yet which would encapsulate this whole phenomenon. Of course, Ukies have no relation to Fichte and Volkskrieg. Other than that you will find an attentive audience among local ignoramuses.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  53. Durruti says:

    Misdirection from Saker:

    One example:

    (no, Russia has absolutely no need of any additional territories, especially devastated ones!)

    Thanks for that assurance, Apparently, the Zionist NATO/America and are willing to take it.

    Saker well knows that the Russian language, and as well as Orthodox Christianity are a cultural commonality between the overwhelming majority of the people of theUkraine and Russia. He mentions the language link in his article.

    The Ukrainian oligarchs are just like any other oligarchs: their loyalty is to their money and nothing else. If you want to characterize these oligarchs, you could think of them as culturally “post-Soviet” meaning that they don’t care about nationality, and even though their prime language is Russian,

    Saker, concludes: with a classic Defeatist (he surrenders to the New World Order) apology, as he carefully limits the options available to the Russian Nation – to reunite all their People.

    I personally don’t care what happens to these folks or to the lands which they historically inhabited. If the Austrians, the Poles, the Hungarians or the Germans want them – they are welcome to have them. After all, these are the folks who, along with the Papacy, created the Ukraine and the Ukronazi phenomenon. So, bien du plaisir!, as the French say: let them enjoy their offspring!
    If the people of some future rump-Ukraine are strong and wise enough to get rid of that Nazi rot – good for them, they can count on Russian help and support for reconstruction. But if they are not – then that’s their problem.

    I need not make this up. There it is. He, Saker, “personally don’t care what happens to the folks” – The truth stares us in the face.

    Russia must not reunite their People. They must not do it because the Ukraine is poor. Again:

    Russia simply cannot afford to pay by herself the immense bill for the eventual reconstruction of devastated Ukraine.

    There it is. Surrender 40 million of your Nation to the Zionist New World Order Oligarchs. Can’t afford the bill??? Say what! The Russian Nation cannot afford to not liberate their people. It is a Moral as well as vital goal for their survival as a Free People). It is Imperative, for Russia to liberate the Ukraine, Kazakstan, and a dozen other isolated corners of their Nation. Imperative, just as we Americans have the same Road to Freedom, the road of Unity of our People in a Restored Democratic Republic.

    The Ukraine was one of the most prosperous of the old Soviet Provinces, and it can be so again. It has been surrendered by Russia, and if Russia does not Liberate it, the Russian People will have suffered a defeat of great magnitude. The Ukraine with magnificent farmland, natural resources, and an ever suffering people, must not be abandoned, either in ‘analytical’ articles, or on our Planet Earth.

    God Bless America, Russia, France, all Nations. Republics of Liberty.

    Durruti

    • Replies: @bikeanarkist
  54. @PeterMX

    “Nations rise and fall, but the Jew is eternal”–old Yiddish proverb.

    “Dual loyalty” is an oxymoron for the Jew.

  55. @Durruti

    So far, the best comment I have read objectively stating consequences of Maidan.
    If the Austrians, the Poles, the Hungarians or the Germans want them – they are welcome to have them. After all, these are the folks who, along with the Papacy, created the Ukraine and the Ukronazi phenomenon. So, bien du plaisir!, as the French say: let them enjoy their offspring!

    “I need not make this up. There it is. He, Saker, “personally don’t care what happens to the folks” – The truth stares us in the face.

    Russia must not reunite their People. They must not do it because the Ukraine is poor. ”

    Russia is taking the only responsible stance at this point in time, considering ALL the other global provocations imposed by the I$A (Israeli States of America); that is, the EU and I$A and Ukie Oligarchs are the only ones responsible for the mess that has become Ukraine.

    Save a finger and let the body die, or remove a finger and let the body LIVE.

  56. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I think it’s a fairly good analysis of the situation if you go beyond his propagandistic terminology and what he leaves unsaid.

    I don’t. He does not acknowledge genuine Ukrainian nationalists. Here, in his writing I mean.
    Kremlin does know them and has a realistic appreciation of them.
    This piece is simplistic to the bones even for the usual purpose.

    As for Kremlin doing this, Kremlin doing that,a question for you:
    Why that region hasn’t created its own respectable armed force?

    Simple question those in the know are so well aware of.

    As for

    ….t’s about time they took back Formosa…

    a man I know here and spoke with frequently, a fierce Taiwanese nationalist, could tell you a thing or two about that.

  57. @peterAUS

    Typical peterAUS: when monosyllabic replies and snide bullshitism don’t work and substantial answers are asked for – he passes…

    Why don’t you enlighten us about genuine Ukie Nats?

  58. Adûnâi says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Russia really doesn’t want to engage directly in the conflict but its best policy would be to bide its time and to encourage more pro-Russian separatism in Odessa and all other regions along the coast so as to eventually cut off Ukraine from access to the sea altogether.

    Didn’t that ship sail long ago? Isn’t the Novorussia now the most Russophobic in all its history? Isn’t the Ukrainian language successfully spreading eastwards and southwards? Hasn’t Dniepropetrovsk been renamed to a river (an objectively ugly and lowly act worthy of the cattle folk)? Aren’t the martyrs of Odessa all but forgotten?

    Russia’s anti-LGBT rhetoric is not enough to sway Ruthenians. And there are quite a lot of anti-LGBT men in Bialystok and Chestohowa, as it turns out.

  59. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Hehehe…..now, I don’t think the author is mentally deranged. Not really.

    My take: he’s a smooth operator (for the targeted audience. that is) who found his online gig.
    Agree with your assessment re the majority of that audience, though.

  60. @Korenchkin

    Not just Israel, it’s obvious beyond denial that Jews are not antithetical to Nazi ideology, but with their own Volk and own totalitarianism, currently branded as globo-homo-shlomo.

  61. Adûnâi says:
    @PeterMX

    I’ll take the “Ukrainian (Galician) Nazi” thugs over the Jewish-Bolshevik thugs and their supporters like The Saker any day. After all, the Ukrainian “NAZIS” only organized after the Jews killed 8 million of them.

    First, the Judeo-Bolsheviks killed a few gorillion Ukrainians, then they made them reach the highest population size in all their history (53 mil. in 1993)? Don’t you see the joke? How could Bolsheviks be that anti-Ukrainian if it’s after the fall of the USSR that Ukrainians started dying off and emigrating (<43 mil.)?

    I do believe that the fate of Ukraine would have been brighter under the Hitlerite regime from the 1940s. Effective eugenic policies, ethnic cleansing of the degenerate, the revival and multiplication of the best stock. But that ship sailed likewise.

    The best argument against Stalinism would be granting women the rights to own property and attain education. But I literally never see it expressed!

    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Even the survivors of the SS Galizien became fairly boring citizens of Australia and Canada, sometimes whining against the ADL/SPLC and writing teary memoirs about their "fight for independence". For some reason, nothing of that worked out at all.

  62. Durruti says:

    Russia is taking the only responsible stance at this point in time, considering ALL the other global provocations imposed by the I$A (Israeli States of America);

    Response to “provocations”? Was the Ukraine -Provoked? The invasion of Russia by Germany was not a provocation. The occupation of the Ukraine by the Zionist puppet Americans was not a provocation. The rape of young girls/women by Agent Epstein was not a provocation.

    All the above are assaults. Thousands of Russians from the Ukraine have died, and millions have been dislocated, (left their homes for Russia and other locations).

    Who are responsible for the “mess” is clear. Unfortunately, this is much more than a mess.

    We are discussing resistance or acquiescence to assaults. We have different views concerning these assaults; but let us not label them “provocations,” which these crimes are vast magnitudes beyond.

    Your intended point,

    Save a finger and let the body die, or remove a finger and let the body LIVE.

    is quite unclear. Are you discussing sex? Remove the finger from where? Is the “finger” a metaphor for something else?

    Benny Hill asked – and I paraphrase -just what he met her for?

  63. @Mulegino1

    I completely agree with your comment. However, even as stooges of Atlanticism, anti-Russian Ukrainians do seem to have strong Nazi roots/ideology.

    Ideological terms are topsy-turvy indeed these days, but how is that unusual?

  64. Beckow says:
    @Kiza

    …miscalculation that the rotten West will help them instead of use them to create a festering sore on Russian border for just a few billion dollars in loans.

    A possibly a fatal miscalculation for Ukraine, but there is also an ideology involved. In Maidan-Ukrainians case that ideology is Ukrainian nationalism combined with a servile Western worship of almost cargo-cult level. An odd combination that has led to odd result.

    West wanted Zelensky to win, the question is why. Tactically, Zelensky neutralized large Russia-leaning block of voters: the 70% vote would have gone somewhere and they were not going to vote for Poroshenko or Tymoshenko. So that misdirection was successful. But what was the point? Let’s look at what Zelensky is actually doing (not the throw-away comedy and rhetoric): he is trying to allow sale of Ukrainian land to foreign investors. My guess is that he will push it through and that will his main legacy. Buying up Ukrainian arable land has been a wet dream for many in the West since 1991. Zelensky could deliver on it, and then move on.

    In 3-5 years we could have an interesting scenario in Ukraine with land (its main wealth) owned by foreign investors and a large % of population with Russian or Polish and other EU passports. As always with ideology, the result is the exact opposite of what that ideology claims: the dictatorship of proletariat impoverished and killed proletariat, Nazis dramatically shrunk German lebensraum, liberals obsession with ‘liberty and universal brotherhood‘ is leading to censorship, suppression and group hostilities. But here we are and the ideological idiocy that Maidan-Ukrainians embraced might not be reversible. This is not good for anybody.

    • Agree: Robjil
  65. @Kent Nationalist

    +1. This is not one of Saker’s better efforts. If he can’t be bothered to come up with a decent attempt at misdirection, he shouldn’t even try.

  66. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Zelensky speaks russian , his ucranian is very poor as he has shown repeatedly in ucranian TV .

    Last week one of Poroshenko sons was in ucranian TV , he also showed that his ucranian is very very poor and that he is a russian speaker .

    ( maybe they think in english ? )

  67. @Kiza

    What you say here also applies to Poland.

  68. Why does the Saker think that Ze had any choice? He is a puppet, a stuffed shirt brought to ”power” by Kolomoisky and allied oligarchs. The only goal was to chase Porky and allied thieves from the trough to be able to steal more.

    Now, the people of Ukraine had choice. But they blew it again, like many times before: each Ukrainian “president” is worse than his predecessor. As the saying goes, “fool me once, shame on you…” Ukrainians let themselves be fooled six times already, so there is no doubt where the shame goes.

    It was said that the nationalism is the last resort of a scoundrel. But it isn’t the only one. Nationalism, stupid unrealistic dreams to feed sheeple, fairy tales about aggression, and the war create perfect smokescreen for blatant thievery. It continues unabated, ever since 1991.

    Russia does need to make its choice. But it is complicated by the role of Russian thieves (polite word is oligarchs) in current Russian state. Putin kicked some out. The remaining ones have enough brains to figure that they need a strong state to protect them, lest their loot be stolen by Western thieves. So, they are a step ahead of Ukrainian thieves who did not tumble even to this simple realization. But no more than one step ahead.

    The economic reality is that Russian state does not have the resources to restore Ukraine, even if sane forces come to power there. So, Ukraine would likely keep festering, losing millions of working age people (like today), possibly losing chunks of territory (as the joke has it, whoever remains in Ukraine pays off the debt). The problems of that huge Somalia can only be solved by concerted effort of many European countries and Russia. This is not on the cards, at least not until Ukies create yet another Chernobyl. Then the EU might decide to send its US overlords to Hell and pay Russia to take the hand grenade away from the monkey. I don’t think Putin will live long enough to see that happen.

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  69. @Korenchkin

    what kind of Nazi Government has a Jewish PM and Jewish President ?

    Simple answer is Israel.

  70. @Beckow

    Minsk agreement was an incredibly generous deal, if Poroshenko had half a brain he would had jumped on it and today Donbas would be a remote backwater with autonomy.

    That would be true if Porky was interested in Ukraine. As it is, his only interest and loyalty was and is his personal loot. To keep stealing, he (and allied thieves) needed the smokescreen of war, fairy tales of “aggression”, and pipe dreams of “greater Ukraine” for the sheeple. He succeeded in his thievery for five years. Now another gang of thieves pushed his gang from the trough. End of story.

  71. @Andrei Martyanov

    Ukrainians are a people; any people, sooner or later, wants to be a master of his destiny & if being in a communion with other peoples who have tried to put this people under control, there are times when this tutorship inevitably breaks & the closer the peoples, stronger the hatred.

    Certainly, corruption, chaos, oligarchs,….have played a big deal in current Ukraianian situation. But, that’s their problem.

    (Dys)functionality of Ukraine, of Chechnya, of any country is a part of a painful growing process. But this process cannot be reversed. He who thinks otherwise is delusional.

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  72. Beckow says:
    @AnonFromTN

    …EU might decide to send its US overlords to Hell and pay Russia to take the hand grenade away from the monkey.

    How would EU go against its overlord? Even if EU would try, the existential nihilism in Kiev will prevent compromise. Ideologues can’t admit that their ‘idea’ didn’t work, they prefer destroying everything around. West is also at this point incapable of admitting an error – they literally can’t do it, the lying has to go on. That means that even groundwork for any possible compromise can’t be put in place. This is all the way down with fireworks and it won’t be pretty.

    There is such a thing as a catastrophic error and the last 5 years in Ukraine comes pretty close to it. That is not really fixable. The monkey night as well use the grenade.

  73. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “The Galicians (and Ukro-Nazi Jews) are behind everything”

    — “Mr. Hack” and Mr. “Marcus” protest too much. Perhaps they suffer from some memory lapses.

    Q. What is the name of certain cooky-distributor during the Kievan coup d’etat and to what clan does she belong?
    Answer: to the Kagans

    Q. Who has been in charge of the NED, this acknowledged school for regime-change operatives?
    Answer: Carl Gershman (no doubt, from a family of “holohoax survivors”)

    Q. Who has been arming the Baderites with Israel-made rifles?
    Answer: The Jewish State: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0txqZUjAp3s

    Q. In what other state but Israel both Prez and Prime-minister are Jewish? Take note, that in both states there are ongoing wars against the “bad” population

  74. @Bardon Kaldian

    Hm, I didn’t argue with Ukraine happening as a political nation–in fact, I always stress this that she did. My issue was with you stating that there was no Nazism in Ukraine. You obviously missed my sarcasm about Fichte and Volkskrieg. To understand that one should know the term Raguli which describes perfectly current Ukrainian reality which is also remarkably reminiscent of a what one brilliant character of 17 Instances of Spring describes as a “dictatorship of small shop-keepers”. Raguli are Ukraine’s “small shop-keepers”.

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