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I won’t even bother discussing the substance of what Trump had to say today because what he said deserves no such attention. I will quickly mention that yesterday Trump pulled the US out of UNESCO on behalf of Israeli interests. Today he basically announced a tepid, possibly hot, war on Iran. I am tempted to say “so what else is new?”. In fact, nothing, nothing at all.

This topic, the AngloZionist plans of war against Iran, has been what made me write my very first post on my newly created blog 10 years ago. Today, I want to reproduce that post in full. Here it is:

Where the Empire meets to plan the next war

Take a guess: where would the Empire’s puppeteers meet to finalize and coordinate their plans to attack Iran?

Washington? New York? London? NATO HQ in Brussels? Davos?

Nope.

In Herzilia. Never heard of that place?

The Israeli city of Herzliya is named after Theodor Herzl, the father of modern Zionism, and it has hosted a meeting of the Empire’s Who’s Who over the past several days at the yearly conference of the Herzilia Institute for Policy and Stragegy. For a while, Herzilia truly became the see of the Empire’s inner core of heavy hitters.

(Non-Israeli) speakers included:

Jose Maria Aznar Former Prime Minister of Spain, Matthew Bronfman, Chair of the Budget and Finance Commission, World Jewish Congress, and member of the World Jewish Congress Steering Committee, Amb. Nicholas Burns US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Prof. Alan Dershowitz Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, Senator John Edwards Head of the One America Committee and candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, Gordon England US Deputy Secretary of Defense, Dr. Marvin C. Feuer Director of Policy and Government Affairs, AIPAC, Newt Gingrich Former U.S. Speaker of the House of Representatives, Rudolph Giuliani, Former Mayor of New York City and candidate for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, General the Lord Charles Guthrie of Craigiebank GCB LVO OBE. Former Chief of the Defense Staff and Chief of the General Staff of the British Army, Amb. Dr. Richard Haass President of the Council on Foreign Relations, Stephen E. Herbits Secretary-General of the World Jewish Congress, Amb. Dr. Robert Hunter President of the Atlantic Treaty Association and Former U.S. Permanent Representative to NATO. Senior Advisor at the RAND Corporation in Washington (also serves as Chairman of the Council for a Community of Democracies, Senior International Consultant to Lockheed Martin Overseas Corporation), Amb. Dr. Richard H. Jones United States Ambassador to Israel (also served as the Secretary of State’s Senior Advisor and Coordinator for Iraq Policy), Col. (res.) Dr. Eran Lerman Director, Israel and Middle East Office, American Jewish Committee (also served in the IDF Intelligence Directorate for over 25 years), Christian Leffler Deputy Chief of Staff of the European Commissioner for External Relations and Director for Middle East and Southern Mediterranean, European Commission, The Hon. Peter Mackay Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Senator John McCain U.S. Senator (R) from Arizona and candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, Dr. Edward L. Morse Chief Energy Economist, Lehman Brothers, Dr. Rolf Mützenich Member of the German Federal Parliament (SPD) and member of the Committee on Foreign Policy of the Bundestag (and Board Member of the “Germany-Iran Society”), Torkel L. Patterson President of Raytheon International, Inc., Richard Perle Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (previously served as Chairman of the Defense Policy Board and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy), Amb. Thomas R. Pickering Former U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs (previously served as Senior Vice President of Boeing), Jack Rosen Chairman of the American Jewish Congress (and member of the Executive Committee of AIPAC and of the Council on Foreign Relations), Stanley O. Roth Vice President for Asia, International Relations of the Boeing Company (member of the Council on Foreign Relations), James Woolsey Former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and many others.

Pretty much the entire Israeli “Defence” establishment (why does nobody call it “Aggression establishment?) was present too.

Not bad for a “conference”?!

Of course, the main topic at the conference was the upcoming war with Iran. Richard Perle, the “Prince of Darkness”, delivered the keynote and conclusion: “If the Israeli government comes to the conclusion that it has no choice but to take action, the reaction of the U.S. will be the belief in the vitality that this action must succeed, even if the U.S. needs to act with Israel in the current American administration”.

Noticed anything funny in his words? It’s the “world only superpower” which will have the “belief” (?) in the action of a local country and, if needed, act with it. Not the other way around. Makes one wonder which of the two is the world only superpower, does it not?

Anyway – if anyone has ANY doubts left that the Empire will totally ignore the will of the American people as expressed in the last election and strike at Iran, this conference should settle the issue.

Also – there are other indicators and warnings. Besides the two aircraft carrier battle groups at Iran’s shores, AWACs planes and military equipment is being shipped to Turkey, and air bridge of C-17 heavy transport aircraft are delivering weapons to Siniora’s government in Lebanon, and forces are being deployed to Iraq to defend the dug-in US forces from Shia retaliation.

What about the Democratic majority in Congress? Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, settled any doubts about they would act when she declared at the 2006 AIPAC conference:

ORDER IT NOW

“The greatest threat to Israel’s right to exist, with the prospect of devastating violence, now comes from Iran. For too long, leaders of both political parties in the United States have not done nearly enough to confront the Russians and the Chinese, who have supplied Iran as it has plowed ahead with its nuclear and missile technology. Proliferation represents a clear threat to Israel and to America. It must be confronted by an international coalition against proliferation, with a commitment and a coalition every bit as strong as our commitment to the war against terror.”

BTW – Hillary Clinton, the party’s leading contender for the presidential nomination, out-neocons many Republicans when it comes to Iran:

“Let’s be clear about the threat we face now: A nuclear Iran is a danger to Israel, to its neighbors and beyond. The regime’s pro-terrorist, anti-American and anti-Israel rhetoric only underscores the urgency of the threat it poses. U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot and should not – must not – permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In order to prevent that from occurring, we must have more support vigorously and publicly expressed by China and Russia, and we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations. And we cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran – that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons.”

So much for the will of the American people. As Justin Raimondo exclaimed in his recent article about the upcoming war on antiwar.com – isn’t democracy wonderful?!

So count with yet another imperial war of aggression, a barrel of crude at over 100$ and oil shortages, rocketing inflation, job losses, a stagnant real estate market and stock exchange, and a national debt and government deficit which would make even Reagan proud. And plenty of dead Americans (nevermind the Iranians, right?).

But don’t worry: there will still be a huge supply of Chinese-made US flags to wave!

And now here we are, 10 years later. For 10 years I have considered that my prediction of a US attack on Iran was the biggest analytical failure in my career. I now hope and pray that it will remain so and that I will not be proven right. But it sure looks like my prediction will be vindicated.

A couple of months after posting my warning about a risk of a US aggression against Iran I posted another article in which I tried to show that Iran had so many “asymmetrical options” that it could not win a war against Iran. This article is now dated, but those interested can find it here. Let me just repost my conclusions:

In conclusion we can see that Iran would not have to proactively do anything to make the Empire pay for an short and limited attack. Riding out the attack and letting the Neocons pay the political price for their folly would be the most likely Iranian response. In case of a long term major Imperial war against Iran, the Iranians would have a broad variety of “asymmetrical” options from which to choose, none of which would involve shutting down the Strait of Hormuz or chasing US aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf.

In any scenario, time would always be on the Iranian side while the Empire would very rapidly run out of options to try force an acceptable outcome.

This lack of a viable “exit strategy” would rapidly force the time-pressed Imperial High Command to consider the use of nuclear weapons to avoid getting bogged down in a rapidly worsening situation. Any actual use of nuclear weapons would result into a general collapse of the entire Neocon empire of a magnitude similar to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. In other words, there are no possible winning strategies for an Imperial aggression against Iran.

As I mentioned, this article is dated. It is dated because since 2007 Iran has only become stronger, while the USA has become much, much weaker: not only has the USA been defeated in Syria, but the election of Trump has resulted in such a crisis inside the USA that at this point in time the USA does not even have a foreign policy of any kind and that the various branches of the US government are basically doing whatever the hell they want. As for Trump, he has become AIPAC’s “punk-ass bitch” (sorry for the rude expression, but in this case I cannot think of any combination of words which could more accurately illustrate Trump’s status).

So, the big question is obvious: is that just hot air or will a war happen?

At the risk of deepening what still might be my mistaken prognosis of 2007 I will say that yes, the USA will probably attack Iran. Since there is exactly ZERO chance of Iran caving in to the latest US-Israeli threats, not attacking Iran will now represent a major loss of face and humiliation for Trump and his Neocon masters. So the USA will go to war yet again, not for any rational reason, but solely because Bibi Netanyahu “owns” Trump and Israel “own” the USA. Yes my dear Americans, far from being “the land of the free and the home of the brave” the USA is a subservient colony of a tiny state in the Middle-East which also happens to be the last officially racist state on our planet. Which makes you neither brave, nor free. Sorry.

The only good news is that once the Neocons fail, there will be political hell to pay for them. Oh sure, their plan is not even to win. What they want is inflict as much damage as possible on Iran (like they did in Lebanon and Gaza), kill as many Iranians as possible, destroy as much of the Iranian infrastructure as they can, before dumping Trump and blaming it all on him. Their hope is that the US Ziomedia will then lynch Trump for starting an unwinnable war against Iran while they, the Neocons, quietly slip away and let Trump face the music. Trump will be impeached, possibly jailed, while Bibi Netanyahu will either get reelected personally, or appoint the next guy in charge. Let the goyim kill each other while we reap the benefits from it all.

Tob shebbe goyim harog, right?

While that work?

Maybe. I will never commit the mistake of underestimating the stupidity and ignorance of brainwashed people our society is so good at generating, but I will add that this plan also involves a huge risk: if, in the age of the still-not-quite-Big-Brother-controlled Internet the American people finally connect the dots and find out that they fought and lost many wars on behalf of a small cabal of racist Zionists who despise them, then there is a real possibility of a huge blowback against the (aptly-named) Zionist Occupation Government (aka ZOG) which, in turn, might open a Pandora’s box of questions, including what really happened on 9/11.

But that is still a distant possibility at most.

Right now what we are looking at is a slow but steady move towards a US attack on Iran.

As for the Iranians, my heart goes out to them, but I take comfort in the fact that they, being religious, understand that how you live and what you fight for is far more important than how long you life. I saw that President Rouhani serenely declared that Trump’s speech as “expletives and a pile of delusional allegations“. He is right.

No country is ever ready for war. Unless it is the aggressor, of course. But Iran is today in much, much better shape than 10 years ago, not only in social, political, economic and military terms, but also in strategic terms: the USA just lost Syria and nobody in the Middle-East believes in the myth of the “invincible superpower” any more than they believe in the myth of “invincible Tsahal”.

As for Hassan Nasrallah, he recommended that the Jews who recently moved to Israel to get the hell out before the next war begin. He is also right. The Iranians are not stupid, they know that the upcoming US attack on Iran was ordered by Israel. This is hardly a secret, the Israelis have been begging for it for years now. An Iranian retaliatory counter-attack on Israel is, therefore, only logical.

The inevitable US defeat against Iran will make the defeats in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq look like minor disappointments. If you have not read it yet, make sure to get a copy of “Twilight’s Last Gleaming” by J.M. Greer which I reviewed here as it does a great job explaining, in an entertaining manner, how a foreign military disaster can bring about the complete collapse of the AngloZionist Empire and even a breakup of the United States.

Tonight I am saddened, disgusted and, yes, frightened. There is still a possibility that all this will remain your garden variety imperial hubris combined with the typical Zionist arrogance famous worldwide. But words and idea do have their own power and tonight Donald Trump sure has vomited up a long list of expletives and delusions. It will be awfully hard to back down from this latest list of threats, especially after being so recently ridiculed and, worse, ignored by the North Koreans who never took Trump “powerful armada” seriously (and for good reasons).

So, in my own way, I will end with what I would call a warning to the Zionists: before taking on the Persians, think very carefully who you are messing with! Take a look at what Iranian *rappers* have to say about their country and now try to imagine how the members of the Iranian Armed Forces and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps feel about your threats. Are you really so sure that you have what it takes to fight them?!

Listen. I want to tell you my intent
They want to erase my identity
The history of the land of the Aryans
Is screaming until we come to it
So now is the time for you to hear
Iran is my land the
The country which after 7000 years
Is still standing
And the hearts of Iranians – still like the sea
Hear this, my fellow Iranian, from YAS
I too for my land stand like a soldier
Hold Iran like a gem in your hand and say
My complaint will burst out like a shot
Let’s stand together and sing our anthem
My sisters, my brothers, my fellow Iranians
Iran’s civilization is in danger
All of us are soldiers beneath our flag
We won’t let anyone spread lies about us
For us Iranians it is our calling
That we wear the symbol of ‘Farvahar’ around our necks
Our unity against an enemy is the cause of their distress
Iran’s name for us is an honor
And our respect for her is like a thorn in eye for those
Who want to injure her

– Like the thirst of a seed [wheat] for water
– Like the dampness of rain, the smell of earth
– Like you, pure eyes, like the feeling of its earth, for you
– My land. Singing for you is in my heart
– Singing of my land, is my feeling
– My love – the earth of this land – Iran!

You want to say that we came from generations of Barbarians?
So take a look then to Takht Jamshid!
You’re showing Iran’s name in vein
So yours could be written big on a cover of a CD [DVD}?
I’m writing down your intentions in my book
I know why you wrote this film “300”
I know that your heart is made of stone and lead
Instead of using your art to make a culture of peace
In this sensitive air and bad atmosphere
You want to start fishing in murky waters [profiting]
But this I tell you in its original language
Iran will never be spoiled and surrendered
God has given you two eyes to see
Take a look and read the books written by
Saadi and Ibn-e-Sina, Ferdosi, Khayam or Molana Rumi
Always throughout history we were the start [on top]
But now YAS can’t sit down quietly
Let Iran’s name be marred by a few tricksters
I’ll shred your intentions with the “razor of hope”
Who are you to speak of the history of Iran?

ORDER IT NOW

It was Cyrus The Great that started the peace
Freeing the Jewish from the grip of Babylon
Cyrus The Great wrote the first bill of human rights
That is why I carry my esteem and great pride
For my Iran. The history of my land
For the earth of this land which my body is from
Whatever part of the world you live my fellow Iranian
And till your blood flows through you
Don’t allow yourself to be satisfied
That anyone can fool around with your heritage
The history of Iran is my identity
Iran – protecting your name is my good intent

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Take a look at what Iranian *rappers* have to say

    Why?

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Because Iran has a very high percentage of young people comprising its population and because young people everywhere seem to like rap. I don't (It's no coincidence that rap rhymes with crap) but, it's not intended for me anyway. The Iranian rapper is praising his nation, his culture and his people.

    Ask yourself what American rappers are going on about? Tokin' blunts, "hittin" hoe bitches, cappin' crackers and the like. You'd struggle to find a US rapper who could relate any worthwhile US history, I bet. There's the relevance.

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  2. There is nothing wrong or bad about racism. Racism is a good and wonderful thing.

    You need to knock this delusion out of your head.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    More accurately, racism covers a range of political and personal opinions that can be good or bad, situationally and depending on what conclusions are drawn from them and what actions are taken in consequence.

    But yes, Saker needs to understand that his antiracist dogmas are just that - dogmas that mislead as often as they lead true. More likely, he will just continue to allow himself to be led up the garden path by them because it's easier to do that.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    The best way to understand The Saker's ideology is as a fusion of "anti-imperialist"/"anti-racist" Soviet-Eurasianism and the more obscurantist strains of Orthodoxy.

    Hence the paeons to Chechnya and Ramzan Kadyrov, hatred of "papism," preference for burqas over bikinis, etc. And, of course, blank slatism.
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  3. @Anon

    Take a look at what Iranian *rappers* have to say
     
    Why?

    Because Iran has a very high percentage of young people comprising its population and because young people everywhere seem to like rap. I don’t (It’s no coincidence that rap rhymes with crap) but, it’s not intended for me anyway. The Iranian rapper is praising his nation, his culture and his people.

    Ask yourself what American rappers are going on about? Tokin’ blunts, “hittin” hoe bitches, cappin’ crackers and the like. You’d struggle to find a US rapper who could relate any worthwhile US history, I bet. There’s the relevance.

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    Tokin’ blunts, “hittin” hoe bitches, cappin’ crackers and the like.
     
    Hilarious! What album is that?...I know, I know, you were just listening for "research purposes."

    Nope. There's no relevance. Try again.
    , @Lemurmaniac
    >'his culture'

    >rapping
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  4. Randal says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    There is nothing wrong or bad about racism. Racism is a good and wonderful thing.

    You need to knock this delusion out of your head.

    More accurately, racism covers a range of political and personal opinions that can be good or bad, situationally and depending on what conclusions are drawn from them and what actions are taken in consequence.

    But yes, Saker needs to understand that his antiracist dogmas are just that – dogmas that mislead as often as they lead true. More likely, he will just continue to allow himself to be led up the garden path by them because it’s easier to do that.

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    • Replies: @Lemurmaniac
    ironically many russians believe in the reality of race, and if a 'racist' white nationalist party came to power in the US the establishment foreign policy on russia would be reversed.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    More accurately, racism covers a range of political and personal opinions that can be good or bad, situationally and depending on what conclusions are drawn from them and what actions are taken in consequence.
     
    Well, some of us regard them as fallacious, and therefore the conclusions drawn from them as worthless.
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  5. @Thorfinnsson
    There is nothing wrong or bad about racism. Racism is a good and wonderful thing.

    You need to knock this delusion out of your head.

    The best way to understand The Saker’s ideology is as a fusion of “anti-imperialist”/”anti-racist” Soviet-Eurasianism and the more obscurantist strains of Orthodoxy.

    Hence the paeons to Chechnya and Ramzan Kadyrov, hatred of “papism,” preference for burqas over bikinis, etc. And, of course, blank slatism.

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    • Replies: @Issac
    Hasn't this already been abbreviated as "Duginism," or similar?
    , @FB
    Or...

    a lot of hot air signifying nothing from the de-bagged Trumpenstein...

    deserves a return volley of equal verbal flatulence from the Saker...
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  6. @NoseytheDuke
    Because Iran has a very high percentage of young people comprising its population and because young people everywhere seem to like rap. I don't (It's no coincidence that rap rhymes with crap) but, it's not intended for me anyway. The Iranian rapper is praising his nation, his culture and his people.

    Ask yourself what American rappers are going on about? Tokin' blunts, "hittin" hoe bitches, cappin' crackers and the like. You'd struggle to find a US rapper who could relate any worthwhile US history, I bet. There's the relevance.

    Tokin’ blunts, “hittin” hoe bitches, cappin’ crackers and the like.

    Hilarious! What album is that?…I know, I know, you were just listening for “research purposes.”

    Nope. There’s no relevance. Try again.

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  7. @NoseytheDuke
    Because Iran has a very high percentage of young people comprising its population and because young people everywhere seem to like rap. I don't (It's no coincidence that rap rhymes with crap) but, it's not intended for me anyway. The Iranian rapper is praising his nation, his culture and his people.

    Ask yourself what American rappers are going on about? Tokin' blunts, "hittin" hoe bitches, cappin' crackers and the like. You'd struggle to find a US rapper who could relate any worthwhile US history, I bet. There's the relevance.

    >’his culture’

    >rapping

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  8. @Randal
    More accurately, racism covers a range of political and personal opinions that can be good or bad, situationally and depending on what conclusions are drawn from them and what actions are taken in consequence.

    But yes, Saker needs to understand that his antiracist dogmas are just that - dogmas that mislead as often as they lead true. More likely, he will just continue to allow himself to be led up the garden path by them because it's easier to do that.

    ironically many russians believe in the reality of race, and if a ‘racist’ white nationalist party came to power in the US the establishment foreign policy on russia would be reversed.

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  9. Another book by John Michael Greer that The Saker might want to take a look at is:

    Not The Future We Ordered

    (particularly the chapters and sections on the “Failure of Prophecy” as this might help with the constant obsession with predicting)

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1780490887/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1507982830&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=John+Michael+Greer+not+the+future+we+ordered&dpPl=1&dpID=51XbQQs1YcL&ref=plSrch

    Dark Age America and Decline and Fall are also very good. These are not novels.

    Oil figures heavily in all JM Greer’s writing.

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  10. alexander says:

    Certainly Saker,

    The image in one’s mind of sixty nine US Congressmen all cobbling together a bill “TO PREVENT ALL FOREIGN INFLUENCE( read :Russian) IN OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS while on a two week, “all expenses paid” ,JUNKET TO ISRAEL ,only underscores the utter levels of fraud and hypocrisy at work in our political process.

    Be that as it may, it seems there is essentially a three pronged strategy underfoot as Israel gets ready for what may well be its Big Push.

    What is the BIG PUSH , you may ask ?

    The big push is the strategic response, to the infamous 2SS dictum that Greater Israel (under its current demographics) cannot be BOTH a Democracy AND a Jewish State.

    The Big Push response is “yes we can” we just have to either kill, or remove by force, several million Palestinians from Judea and Samaria…and ..Bingo…..we have a Greater Israel, with a solid Jewish majority that can both maintain its democratic principles and still control its own destiny.

    The BIG PUSH is, thus , the beginning of the final chapter in the ethnic cleansing of all the “little snakes” from Greater Israel.

    This Final Solution solves so many problems for Israel ……You have no idea.

    First off, How can any claim Israel is an apartheid state if there are NO Palestinians left, to Apartheid over?

    Secondly, possession ,as they say, is 9/10ths of the law,and if Israel possesses ALL the Land, then who is there left to have to bargain with ?

    Nobody.

    To achieve this accelerated Big Push Israel needs a Big War brought on by the US against Iran to function as cover for the final solution to the millions of remaining “pesky” Palestinians.

    Israel will manage this, by designating every Palestinian alive as a proxy fighter for the Ayatollah, and declaring their removal as essential to its “national security”.

    The first of the three prongs is the unwinding of the J.C.P.O.A. , so the US can attack Iran.

    The second prong is the bill circulating through Congress designating it a crime punishable by 20 years in prison if you criticize Israel AT ALL.

    (This bill is meant to neutralize any outcries from civil society as Israel initiates its “final solution”.)

    The third prong may well be some form of manufactured “terror event”, (falsely) attributed to Hezbollah, somewhere within the continental United States.

    This is to rally US public support for the “just” war against the “Evil Ayatollah”.

    and “bada-boom, bada-bing”…We are off to the races.

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    The third prong may well be some form of manufactured “terror event”, (falsely) attributed to Hezbollah, somewhere within the continental United States.

    This is to rally US public support for the “just” war against the “Evil Ayatollah”.
     
    I would say that this is likely, but doesn't have to be in the US, and the problem would be the same as 9/11.

    The public gets orchestrated blanket coverage of the "event" along with the need for instant emergency action (the US is under attack!!) pre-prepared and directed at Iran, without any thinking time, and it's going to involve (again) the Zionists murdering 1000's of US citizens or servicemen or both.

    How can the US public handle this cancer? I really don't know since it's their own government and media that have been hijacked.
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  11. @Randal
    More accurately, racism covers a range of political and personal opinions that can be good or bad, situationally and depending on what conclusions are drawn from them and what actions are taken in consequence.

    But yes, Saker needs to understand that his antiracist dogmas are just that - dogmas that mislead as often as they lead true. More likely, he will just continue to allow himself to be led up the garden path by them because it's easier to do that.

    More accurately, racism covers a range of political and personal opinions that can be good or bad, situationally and depending on what conclusions are drawn from them and what actions are taken in consequence.

    Well, some of us regard them as fallacious, and therefore the conclusions drawn from them as worthless.

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  12. peterAUS says:

    Well, already ‘discussed’ several times on this site, but, just for the record.
    A bit of different perspective.

    From

    not only has the USA been defeated in Syria,

    we are, should shooting start, then, looking, most likely to similar ….ahm…..defeat in Iran.

    So, it would look like:
    The all country put back at least 20 years (destroyed infrastructure).
    Around third of country not under control of the current regime.
    That part in constant chaos and civil war.
    In this particular example I’d add occupation, by Imperial troops/allies/vassals, of Hormuz shores.

    In US, consolidation of Trump regime.
    Rejuvenation of certain industries, most likely benefiting his election base.

    What’s not to like if you are part of Trump administration and its backers?
    MIC and Israeli lobby to start with.
    The rest will get in line as soon as shooting starts.

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    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    This is very interesting projection. Somehow not being able to win against much weaker opponents suddenly USA is capable of success against the much stronger foe? I think there is also one unknown that escapes your analysis. Namely Russia. Do you think Russia will be sitting still ? This is not 2003 and it is on Russian borders.
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  13. KA says:

    I was listening to CNN. One ex NSA guy defended anti Iran activities because Iran was trying to murder Saudi personnel on US soil. Another guy on a later show of CNN ,from one of the think tank said Iran deal was not supported by American and was not approved by Congress .
    In FOX ,the usual bastards started saying that the deal was bad on many fronts including the billions of dollars given to Iran.

    The supposed voice on the other side of the dividing aisle ( if there is any ) couldn’t come up with single word to tear these lying illegitimate into pieces.

    I guess this is what has been in the past called – they won the argument .
    - a famous phrase used by Kaplan guy to provide legal moral ethical cover for the Iraq war architects .

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  14. Issac says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    The best way to understand The Saker's ideology is as a fusion of "anti-imperialist"/"anti-racist" Soviet-Eurasianism and the more obscurantist strains of Orthodoxy.

    Hence the paeons to Chechnya and Ramzan Kadyrov, hatred of "papism," preference for burqas over bikinis, etc. And, of course, blank slatism.

    Hasn’t this already been abbreviated as “Duginism,” or similar?

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    Sure. But there are very few people in the West who appreciate what Dugin actually stands for, even amongst the Alt Right, so I thought it best to avoid that potential pitfall.
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  15. @Issac
    Hasn't this already been abbreviated as "Duginism," or similar?

    Sure. But there are very few people in the West who appreciate what Dugin actually stands for, even amongst the Alt Right, so I thought it best to avoid that potential pitfall.

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    Point well taken.
    , @Bayan
    What is Duginism?
    , @Sergey Krieger
    So true. The guy has to make a living somehow ;-)
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  16. Miro23 says:
    @alexander
    Certainly Saker,

    The image in one's mind of sixty nine US Congressmen all cobbling together a bill "TO PREVENT ALL FOREIGN INFLUENCE( read :Russian) IN OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS while on a two week, "all expenses paid" ,JUNKET TO ISRAEL ,only underscores the utter levels of fraud and hypocrisy at work in our political process.

    Be that as it may, it seems there is essentially a three pronged strategy underfoot as Israel gets ready for what may well be its Big Push.

    What is the BIG PUSH , you may ask ?

    The big push is the strategic response, to the infamous 2SS dictum that Greater Israel (under its current demographics) cannot be BOTH a Democracy AND a Jewish State.

    The Big Push response is "yes we can" we just have to either kill, or remove by force, several million Palestinians from Judea and Samaria...and ..Bingo.....we have a Greater Israel, with a solid Jewish majority that can both maintain its democratic principles and still control its own destiny.

    The BIG PUSH is, thus , the beginning of the final chapter in the ethnic cleansing of all the "little snakes" from Greater Israel.

    This Final Solution solves so many problems for Israel ......You have no idea.

    First off, How can any claim Israel is an apartheid state if there are NO Palestinians left, to Apartheid over?

    Secondly, possession ,as they say, is 9/10ths of the law,and if Israel possesses ALL the Land, then who is there left to have to bargain with ?

    Nobody.

    To achieve this accelerated Big Push Israel needs a Big War brought on by the US against Iran to function as cover for the final solution to the millions of remaining "pesky" Palestinians.

    Israel will manage this, by designating every Palestinian alive as a proxy fighter for the Ayatollah, and declaring their removal as essential to its "national security".

    The first of the three prongs is the unwinding of the J.C.P.O.A. , so the US can attack Iran.

    The second prong is the bill circulating through Congress designating it a crime punishable by 20 years in prison if you criticize Israel AT ALL.

    (This bill is meant to neutralize any outcries from civil society as Israel initiates its "final solution".)

    The third prong may well be some form of manufactured "terror event", (falsely) attributed to Hezbollah, somewhere within the continental United States.

    This is to rally US public support for the "just" war against the "Evil Ayatollah".

    and "bada-boom, bada-bing"...We are off to the races.

    The third prong may well be some form of manufactured “terror event”, (falsely) attributed to Hezbollah, somewhere within the continental United States.

    This is to rally US public support for the “just” war against the “Evil Ayatollah”.

    I would say that this is likely, but doesn’t have to be in the US, and the problem would be the same as 9/11.

    The public gets orchestrated blanket coverage of the “event” along with the need for instant emergency action (the US is under attack!!) pre-prepared and directed at Iran, without any thinking time, and it’s going to involve (again) the Zionists murdering 1000′s of US citizens or servicemen or both.

    How can the US public handle this cancer? I really don’t know since it’s their own government and media that have been hijacked.

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  17. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If there is war with Iran because Israel acts, then Jews around the world will be on high alert.

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  18. FB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    The best way to understand The Saker's ideology is as a fusion of "anti-imperialist"/"anti-racist" Soviet-Eurasianism and the more obscurantist strains of Orthodoxy.

    Hence the paeons to Chechnya and Ramzan Kadyrov, hatred of "papism," preference for burqas over bikinis, etc. And, of course, blank slatism.

    Or…

    a lot of hot air signifying nothing from the de-bagged Trumpenstein…

    deserves a return volley of equal verbal flatulence from the Saker…

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  19. Issac says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Sure. But there are very few people in the West who appreciate what Dugin actually stands for, even amongst the Alt Right, so I thought it best to avoid that potential pitfall.

    Point well taken.

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  20. Nexus321 says:

    The only threat to Israel is Israel itself by its actions. It will be the instigator of its own destruction.

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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What Saker seems to envision is a turkey shoot like in Serbia or “Shock & Awe” against Iraq but at least an order of magnitude greater, i.e., more war crimes and acts of genocide by Washington and its “coalition of the willing” against a massively outgunned opponent with little ability to project power beyond its own borders. He predicts Russia and China standing on the sidelines, not daring to enter the fray because such fray would escalate to become the war to end all civilisation, and they prefer to keep theirs. I can see the partners in crime with America that he projects for this slaughter, viz., KSA, UAE Egypt, Jordan, maybe Turkey and certainly Israel, to cast aside all pretenses of humanity and act out of typical deranged religious fervor.

    What I find most troubling is that Europe, in spite of its craven vassalage to Washington, would stand by and allow this, that there would not be a diplomatic break with the barbarians in Washington and Tel Aviv. Would there even be a protest speech given at the U.N.? And, if Macron, Merkel or whoever speaks for the clowns in parliament when the time comes dares to condemn the actions of the self-proclaimed new high priest in the White House, will he order bombing runs on Paris, Berlin or London to make sure his vision is carried out without impediments? Not just what Trump, his neocon string-pullers and the simians in the Jewish and Sunni states do to provoke this crisis, but what every other society on earth does in response to the madness, will decide whether the species’ last hours had any redeeming quality left after its 200,00 year run, for just as surely as humans swept across the globe from their African point of origin, this great extinction event that Washington sets in motion will spread planetwide.

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  22. Bayan says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Sure. But there are very few people in the West who appreciate what Dugin actually stands for, even amongst the Alt Right, so I thought it best to avoid that potential pitfall.

    What is Duginism?

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    Effectively identical to Western third-worldist multi-cultural globalist imperialism, but described in a different vocabulary.
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  23. Why does the whole world have to sound like ni66ers to gain legitimacy? Rap? Ufck them.

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  24. macilrae says:

    I never believed the Israelis would attack Iran. Given its size, Israel is a sitting duck for Iranian rockets – and their horror and fear of Hezbollah’s retaliation in 2006 – and its aftermath – is remembered by the whole world. Israelis simply cannot take losses.

    Israeli planes, marked as American, attacking alongside Americans, possibly. But I reckon that if the US attacked, the Iranians would hit back at Israel anyway (not to mention Saudi) – this would then give the Israelis the pretext they need to use some of their nukes.

    Perhaps Putin has very little to lose by offering the Iranians some form of retaliatory nuclear cover – it seems to me that would solve most of the problem.

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  25. Kirt says:

    I’m a bit more optimistic. A direct military attack on Iran would bring in the Russians. They wouldn’t dare sit it out, knowing they’re next on the hit list. The neo-cons do not want a world devastated by nuclear war. They wouldn’t be the rulers and it wouldn’t be worth ruling anyway. Cyber attacks are more likely, but the Iranians, with Russian assistance, are a lot better prepared to handle these (and retaliate) than they were the last time around. Promoting Daesh, Al Qaeda and MEK terrorism is also an option, but nothing the Iranians can’t handle or reply to. So I think at worst it will just be more dirty war by proxy.

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  26. That music video…

    So, Trump goes shabbos and Iranians go ugabuga.

    Is anything worth saving these days? Why is the glory of Persia defended with gangsta thug music?

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    It is more an indicator of The Saker's less-than-laser-like focus on the issue and mediocre grasp of the material.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Yes.

    Persian culture is worth saving and Persians are saving it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a34srdnxpvs

    If you have to go pop, YoYo Mah's Silk Road album would have been a better choice than crap rap

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    More Iranian rappers: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/04/rap-in-the-capital-hip-hop-tehran-style.html .

    Not exactly We don’t want to fight, but by Jingo, if we do … .

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  28. @Priss Factor
    That music video...

    So, Trump goes shabbos and Iranians go ugabuga.

    Is anything worth saving these days? Why is the glory of Persia defended with gangsta thug music?

    It is more an indicator of The Saker’s less-than-laser-like focus on the issue and mediocre grasp of the material.

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  29. KenH says:

    Indeed, Trump is Israel’s “punk ass bitch” but then again almost every president starting with Nixon has been with each succeeding president getting a little more punked than the last. Trump conveniently forgot to tell us that make Israel greater (MIG) supersedes MAGA.

    We were told that deposing Saddam would cause homo-democracy to take root in Iraq and throughout the Middle East and foster pacifism, philo-semitism, crass materialism and gay rights parades. The newly democratized neighboring Muslim nations would never again pose a threat to Izzy. Woo-hoo!!

    Instead it unleashed a murderous Islamic fundamentalism that Saddam Hussein successfully kept in check and which has now been exported to Europe and beyond, but strangely hasn’t threatened the chosenites in Israel.

    It seems they want to use their shiny new puppet, Donald J. Trump, to destabilize Iran which they believe will weaken and destabilize Syria and Lebanon. What could go wrong? But this will open another Pandora’s box just as it did in Iraq war II.

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    Slight correction, every President since Kennedy died and affirmative action/ open immigration Johnson attack on the USS Liberty took over.
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  30. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    There’s been all this reckless and provocative rhetoric and behavior aimed at first the DPRK and now Iran. So which place goes up first? What are the oddsmakers saying? I’ll go with Iran since the DPRK has a powerful military that could inflict a huge amount of damage. Plus Iran was on the list of countries to be destroyed, most of whom have already been ruined in one way or another, and now it’s turn has come. There’s a real possibility of a manufactured provocation taking place, a false flag event, something which has been a feature throughout American history creating it’s pretexts for going to war. Trump won partly by posturing himself as the peace candidate. Now what? Has he been snookered by the intelligence agencies? Does he think negotiation through threat and bluster will bring results? Is there something in our future that’s already been planned but that we don’t know about yet?

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    Trump won partly by posturing himself as the peace candidate. Now what? Has he been snookered by the intelligence agencies?
     
    Steve Bannon at Value Voters Summit said he masterminded Trump's win, then ended his pep talk to the Evangelical crowd by tossing red meat -- "

    "Lo and behold, we're gonna get out of the Iran deal and name the IGRC [sic] a terrorist organization! That is victory begets victory: we owe all that to Judge Moore in Alabama because that all came from them. . . . Everyday is Christmas! . . . Heck, I think next week they're gonna declare Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization and move our embassy to Jerusalem! [yuuuge cheers]

    . . . We keep winning . . . and you folks, you evangelicals, are going to be the folks who saved the Judeo-Christian west [sic]. " [more cheers] https://www.c-span.org/video/?435688-3/sebastian-gorka-steve-bannon-address-values-voter-summit
     
    So it's not going to be on the Jews: evangelical Christians at Value Voters; Tea Partiers, Conservative Catholics, talk radio groupies -- that's the crowd that is going to take the rap.

    Note well that these folks who are eager to "save the Judeo-Christian west" are not moved to do so on moral or spiritual grounds but on political grounds: Winning is everything; destroying Iran wins your votes (and donors money), so that's what Trump will do.

    To be sure, Israel is puppet master and the beneficiary, but no Israeli, no Jew will have dust on his hands, much less blood: Steve Bannon the Brilliant is engineering events to make a war, destroy a country, so that his party can win another election.

    ---

    PS Here's more of the culture that Bannon is willing to destroy in order to win an election:

    Kayhan Kalhor, Master of Persian Music
    http://www.kayhankalhor.net

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3-PDJ-Ei6E
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  31. Issac says:
    @Bayan
    What is Duginism?

    Effectively identical to Western third-worldist multi-cultural globalist imperialism, but described in a different vocabulary.

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    Effectively identical to Western third-worldist multi-cultural globalist imperialism, but described in a different vocabulary.
     
    Not true, imo. Dugin is somewhat similar to Samuel Huntington. Huntington was an opponent of multiculturalism and so, most definitely, is Dugin.
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  32. @Issac
    Effectively identical to Western third-worldist multi-cultural globalist imperialism, but described in a different vocabulary.

    Effectively identical to Western third-worldist multi-cultural globalist imperialism, but described in a different vocabulary.

    Not true, imo. Dugin is somewhat similar to Samuel Huntington. Huntington was an opponent of multiculturalism and so, most definitely, is Dugin.

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    The stated goal of Dugin is a pan-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious Eurasian Empire as de facto geopolitical monopole. The only part of this he wouldn't specifically avow is the monopolarity, but his suggestion that such a world would be multipolar belies his belief that the Empire controlling Eurasia thus controls the world.
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  33. Issac says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Effectively identical to Western third-worldist multi-cultural globalist imperialism, but described in a different vocabulary.
     
    Not true, imo. Dugin is somewhat similar to Samuel Huntington. Huntington was an opponent of multiculturalism and so, most definitely, is Dugin.

    The stated goal of Dugin is a pan-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious Eurasian Empire as de facto geopolitical monopole. The only part of this he wouldn’t specifically avow is the monopolarity, but his suggestion that such a world would be multipolar belies his belief that the Empire controlling Eurasia thus controls the world.

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    The stated goal of Dugin is a pan-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious Eurasian Empire as de facto geopolitical monopole.
     
    He operates with the concept of 'civilization'.

    If you consider the mixture of Europeans in the US (protestants from Germany, Catholics from Ireland, Anglicans, etc) as multi-cultural, multi-lingual, and multi-confessional - then you have a point. But then there's no limit for your rejection of multi-culturalism; you might as well feel that Bavaria and Saxony are different cultures (and indeed they are). But you could also view this mixture, despite the differences in culture and religious believes, as representing the western civilization, with relatively homogeneous state of mind. That's Dugin.

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  34. @Priss Factor
    That music video...

    So, Trump goes shabbos and Iranians go ugabuga.

    Is anything worth saving these days? Why is the glory of Persia defended with gangsta thug music?

    Yes.

    Persian culture is worth saving and Persians are saving it

    If you have to go pop, YoYo Mah’s Silk Road album would have been a better choice than crap rap

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  35. @anonymous
    There's been all this reckless and provocative rhetoric and behavior aimed at first the DPRK and now Iran. So which place goes up first? What are the oddsmakers saying? I'll go with Iran since the DPRK has a powerful military that could inflict a huge amount of damage. Plus Iran was on the list of countries to be destroyed, most of whom have already been ruined in one way or another, and now it's turn has come. There's a real possibility of a manufactured provocation taking place, a false flag event, something which has been a feature throughout American history creating it's pretexts for going to war. Trump won partly by posturing himself as the peace candidate. Now what? Has he been snookered by the intelligence agencies? Does he think negotiation through threat and bluster will bring results? Is there something in our future that's already been planned but that we don't know about yet?

    Trump won partly by posturing himself as the peace candidate. Now what? Has he been snookered by the intelligence agencies?

    Steve Bannon at Value Voters Summit said he masterminded Trump’s win, then ended his pep talk to the Evangelical crowd by tossing red meat — ”

    “Lo and behold, we’re gonna get out of the Iran deal and name the IGRC [sic] a terrorist organization! That is victory begets victory: we owe all that to Judge Moore in Alabama because that all came from them. . . . Everyday is Christmas! . . . Heck, I think next week they’re gonna declare Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization and move our embassy to Jerusalem! [yuuuge cheers]

    . . . We keep winning . . . and you folks, you evangelicals, are going to be the folks who saved the Judeo-Christian west [sic]. ” [more cheers] https://www.c-span.org/video/?435688-3/sebastian-gorka-steve-bannon-address-values-voter-summit

    So it’s not going to be on the Jews: evangelical Christians at Value Voters; Tea Partiers, Conservative Catholics, talk radio groupies — that’s the crowd that is going to take the rap.

    Note well that these folks who are eager to “save the Judeo-Christian west” are not moved to do so on moral or spiritual grounds but on political grounds: Winning is everything; destroying Iran wins your votes (and donors money), so that’s what Trump will do.

    To be sure, Israel is puppet master and the beneficiary, but no Israeli, no Jew will have dust on his hands, much less blood: Steve Bannon the Brilliant is engineering events to make a war, destroy a country, so that his party can win another election.

    PS Here’s more of the culture that Bannon is willing to destroy in order to win an election:

    Kayhan Kalhor, Master of Persian Music

    http://www.kayhankalhor.net

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  37. @Issac
    The stated goal of Dugin is a pan-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious Eurasian Empire as de facto geopolitical monopole. The only part of this he wouldn't specifically avow is the monopolarity, but his suggestion that such a world would be multipolar belies his belief that the Empire controlling Eurasia thus controls the world.

    The stated goal of Dugin is a pan-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious Eurasian Empire as de facto geopolitical monopole.

    He operates with the concept of ‘civilization’.

    If you consider the mixture of Europeans in the US (protestants from Germany, Catholics from Ireland, Anglicans, etc) as multi-cultural, multi-lingual, and multi-confessional – then you have a point. But then there’s no limit for your rejection of multi-culturalism; you might as well feel that Bavaria and Saxony are different cultures (and indeed they are). But you could also view this mixture, despite the differences in culture and religious believes, as representing the western civilization, with relatively homogeneous state of mind. That’s Dugin.

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    That's simply a re-statement of the Western Empire's Globalism complete with farcical ethnic reductionist argument. Dugin firmly believes in all the major tenants of the "Atlanticist," project. He simply rejects that the Coastal Elite are in the proper geographic position to rule.
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  38. Alden says:
    @KenH
    Indeed, Trump is Israel's "punk ass bitch" but then again almost every president starting with Nixon has been with each succeeding president getting a little more punked than the last. Trump conveniently forgot to tell us that make Israel greater (MIG) supersedes MAGA.

    We were told that deposing Saddam would cause homo-democracy to take root in Iraq and throughout the Middle East and foster pacifism, philo-semitism, crass materialism and gay rights parades. The newly democratized neighboring Muslim nations would never again pose a threat to Izzy. Woo-hoo!!

    Instead it unleashed a murderous Islamic fundamentalism that Saddam Hussein successfully kept in check and which has now been exported to Europe and beyond, but strangely hasn't threatened the chosenites in Israel.

    It seems they want to use their shiny new puppet, Donald J. Trump, to destabilize Iran which they believe will weaken and destabilize Syria and Lebanon. What could go wrong? But this will open another Pandora's box just as it did in Iraq war II.

    Slight correction, every President since Kennedy died and affirmative action/ open immigration Johnson attack on the USS Liberty took over.

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    You are right. I remembered Johnson's shameless cover up attempt and his ordering of the F-4 phantoms en route to rescue the embattled USS Liberty to turn around a few hours after the editing period expired.

    So it should be every president since Lyndon Baines Johnson.
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  39. Issac says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    The stated goal of Dugin is a pan-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious Eurasian Empire as de facto geopolitical monopole.
     
    He operates with the concept of 'civilization'.

    If you consider the mixture of Europeans in the US (protestants from Germany, Catholics from Ireland, Anglicans, etc) as multi-cultural, multi-lingual, and multi-confessional - then you have a point. But then there's no limit for your rejection of multi-culturalism; you might as well feel that Bavaria and Saxony are different cultures (and indeed they are). But you could also view this mixture, despite the differences in culture and religious believes, as representing the western civilization, with relatively homogeneous state of mind. That's Dugin.

    That’s simply a re-statement of the Western Empire’s Globalism complete with farcical ethnic reductionist argument. Dugin firmly believes in all the major tenants of the “Atlanticist,” project. He simply rejects that the Coastal Elite are in the proper geographic position to rule.

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    Hmm. Actually, it's the opposite of Western Empire’s Globalism. It's a demand for western civilization to stay away from other civilizations.
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  40. @Issac
    That's simply a re-statement of the Western Empire's Globalism complete with farcical ethnic reductionist argument. Dugin firmly believes in all the major tenants of the "Atlanticist," project. He simply rejects that the Coastal Elite are in the proper geographic position to rule.

    Hmm. Actually, it’s the opposite of Western Empire’s Globalism. It’s a demand for western civilization to stay away from other civilizations.

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  41. KenH says:
    @Alden
    Slight correction, every President since Kennedy died and affirmative action/ open immigration Johnson attack on the USS Liberty took over.

    You are right. I remembered Johnson’s shameless cover up attempt and his ordering of the F-4 phantoms en route to rescue the embattled USS Liberty to turn around a few hours after the editing period expired.

    So it should be every president since Lyndon Baines Johnson.

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  42. @Anatoly Karlin
    Sure. But there are very few people in the West who appreciate what Dugin actually stands for, even amongst the Alt Right, so I thought it best to avoid that potential pitfall.

    So true. The guy has to make a living somehow ;-)

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  43. @peterAUS
    Well, already 'discussed' several times on this site, but, just for the record.
    A bit of different perspective.

    From

    not only has the USA been defeated in Syria,
     
    we are, should shooting start, then, looking, most likely to similar ....ahm.....defeat in Iran.

    So, it would look like:
    The all country put back at least 20 years (destroyed infrastructure).
    Around third of country not under control of the current regime.
    That part in constant chaos and civil war.
    In this particular example I'd add occupation, by Imperial troops/allies/vassals, of Hormuz shores.

    In US, consolidation of Trump regime.
    Rejuvenation of certain industries, most likely benefiting his election base.

    What's not to like if you are part of Trump administration and its backers?
    MIC and Israeli lobby to start with.
    The rest will get in line as soon as shooting starts.

    This is very interesting projection. Somehow not being able to win against much weaker opponents suddenly USA is capable of success against the much stronger foe? I think there is also one unknown that escapes your analysis. Namely Russia. Do you think Russia will be sitting still ? This is not 2003 and it is on Russian borders.

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    ....USA is capable of success against the much stronger foe?
     
    If you measure success as:

    The all country put back at least 20 years (destroyed infrastructure).
    Around third of country not under control of the current regime.
    That part in constant chaos and civil war.
    In this particular example I’d add occupation, by Imperial troops/allies/vassals, of Hormuz shores.

    In US, consolidation of Trump regime.
    Rejuvenation of certain industries, most likely benefiting his election base.
     
    Yes I do.

    Do you think Russia will be sitting still ?
     
    Still enough.

    This is not 2003 and it is on Russian borders.
     
    True.
    As was Ukraine.
    Maybe Russia could, in that scenario, "take" a bit of Iran too? Say, third of it. 1/3 goes to US friendly regime.
    1/3 is pure chaos. Say, a buffer between those two.
    Sounds good?
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  44. Iran has very different topography compared to say Iraq and Syria. More akin to Afghanistan.

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  45. peterAUS says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    This is very interesting projection. Somehow not being able to win against much weaker opponents suddenly USA is capable of success against the much stronger foe? I think there is also one unknown that escapes your analysis. Namely Russia. Do you think Russia will be sitting still ? This is not 2003 and it is on Russian borders.

    ….USA is capable of success against the much stronger foe?

    If you measure success as:

    The all country put back at least 20 years (destroyed infrastructure).
    Around third of country not under control of the current regime.
    That part in constant chaos and civil war.
    In this particular example I’d add occupation, by Imperial troops/allies/vassals, of Hormuz shores.

    In US, consolidation of Trump regime.
    Rejuvenation of certain industries, most likely benefiting his election base.

    Yes I do.

    Do you think Russia will be sitting still ?

    Still enough.

    This is not 2003 and it is on Russian borders.

    True.
    As was Ukraine.
    Maybe Russia could, in that scenario, “take” a bit of Iran too? Say, third of it. 1/3 goes to US friendly regime.
    1/3 is pure chaos. Say, a buffer between those two.
    Sounds good?

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    You are doing a lot of assumptions. Firstly you seem to believe that it will be a cake walk for USA circa Iraq which is obviously not true. As I stated it is not 2003 and Iranian forces most sure will get support from Russia in terms of weapons system to operational conduct.
    I already mentioned Iranian terrain is not that of Iraq. In ancient times Iran and Iraq were both parts of Parthia/ Persia. Iraqi part was very good for using cavalry and mounted archers while modern Iraqi territory with parts of Azerbaijan and Armenia were and are heavily mountains countries which often were used by Roman forces to attack Persia. That means good tank terrain is not waiting for USA land forces.
    In this regard USA would not be able to use their tank forces the way it was done in Iraq and again, Russia got a lot of nice systems and ways to destroy tanks and Iran is going to have those.
    Air-force. I doubt it will be able to approach and who knows if Iran suddenly gets hands on Russian cruise missiles to shoot at US cruise missiles shooting platforms. I see lots of options where you see none.
    The worst however your way of thinking typically American, ignorant and boorish.
    How long do you think USA will continue being international player with this kind of behavior?
    I would say not for long. Well, I believe USA does not have enough time anyway. Hence all this hysterics.
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  46. @peterAUS

    ....USA is capable of success against the much stronger foe?
     
    If you measure success as:

    The all country put back at least 20 years (destroyed infrastructure).
    Around third of country not under control of the current regime.
    That part in constant chaos and civil war.
    In this particular example I’d add occupation, by Imperial troops/allies/vassals, of Hormuz shores.

    In US, consolidation of Trump regime.
    Rejuvenation of certain industries, most likely benefiting his election base.
     
    Yes I do.

    Do you think Russia will be sitting still ?
     
    Still enough.

    This is not 2003 and it is on Russian borders.
     
    True.
    As was Ukraine.
    Maybe Russia could, in that scenario, "take" a bit of Iran too? Say, third of it. 1/3 goes to US friendly regime.
    1/3 is pure chaos. Say, a buffer between those two.
    Sounds good?

    You are doing a lot of assumptions. Firstly you seem to believe that it will be a cake walk for USA circa Iraq which is obviously not true. As I stated it is not 2003 and Iranian forces most sure will get support from Russia in terms of weapons system to operational conduct.
    I already mentioned Iranian terrain is not that of Iraq. In ancient times Iran and Iraq were both parts of Parthia/ Persia. Iraqi part was very good for using cavalry and mounted archers while modern Iraqi territory with parts of Azerbaijan and Armenia were and are heavily mountains countries which often were used by Roman forces to attack Persia. That means good tank terrain is not waiting for USA land forces.
    In this regard USA would not be able to use their tank forces the way it was done in Iraq and again, Russia got a lot of nice systems and ways to destroy tanks and Iran is going to have those.
    Air-force. I doubt it will be able to approach and who knows if Iran suddenly gets hands on Russian cruise missiles to shoot at US cruise missiles shooting platforms. I see lots of options where you see none.
    The worst however your way of thinking typically American, ignorant and boorish.
    How long do you think USA will continue being international player with this kind of behavior?
    I would say not for long. Well, I believe USA does not have enough time anyway. Hence all this hysterics.

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