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Robert Fisk put it best: “Trump Is About To Really Mess Up In The Middle East”. Following his fantastically stupid decision to attack the Syrian military with cruise missiles, Trump or, should I say, the people who make decisions for him, probably realized that it was “game over” for any US policy in the Middle-East so they did the only thing that they could do: they ran towards those few who were actually happy with this aggression against Syria: the Saudis and the Israelis. Needless to say, with these two “allies,” what currently passes for some type of “US foreign policy” in the Middle-East will only go from bad to worse.

There are many ways in which Saudi Arabia and Israel are truly unique: they are both prime sponsors of terrorism, they are both nations deeply steeped in ideologies which can only be described as uncivilized (Wahabism and Jewish supremacism) and they both are armed to the teeth. But they also have one other thing in common: in spite, or maybe because of, their immense military budgets, these two nations are also militarily very weak. Oh sure, they have lots of fancy military hardware and they like to throw their weight around and beat up some defenseless “enemy”, but once you set aside all the propaganda you realize that the Saudis can’t even deal with the Houtis in Yemen while the Israelis got comprehensively defeated by 2nd rank Hezbollah forces in 2006 (the top of the line Hezbollah forces were concentrated along the Litani river and never saw direct combat): the entire Golani Brigade could not even take Bint Jbeil under control even though that small town was only 1.5 miles away from the Israeli border. This is also the reason why the Saudis and the Israelis try to limit themselves to airstrikes: because on the ground they simply suck. Here again the similarity is striking: the Saudis have become “experts” at terrorizing defenseless Shia (in the KSA or in Bahrain) while the Israelis are the experts on how to terrorize Palestinian civilians.

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Trump Dancing with Wolves

With Trump now officially joining this ugly alliance, the US will contribute the military “expertise” of a country which can’t even take Mosul, mostly because its forces are hiding, literally, behind the backs of Kurdish and Arab Iraqis. To think that these three want to take on Hezbollah, Iran and Russia would be almost comical if it wasn’t for the kind of appalling bloodshed that this will produce.

Alas, just look at what the Saudis are doing to Yemen, what the Israelis did to Gaza or Lebanon or what the US did to Iraq and you will immediately get a sense of what the formation of this nefarious alliance will mean for the people of Syria and the rest of the region. The record shows that a military does not need to be skilled at real warfare to be skilled at murdering people: even though the US occupation of Iraq was, in military terms, a total disaster, it did result in almost one and a half million dead people.

What is also clear is who the main target of this evil alliance will be: Iran, the only real democracy in the Middle-East. The pretext? Why – weapons of mass destruction, of course: the (non-existing) chemical weapons of the Syrians and the (non-existing) nuclear weapons of the Iranians. In Trump’s own words: “no civilized nation can tolerate the massacre of innocents with chemical weapons” and “The United States is firmly committed to keeping Iran from developing a nuclear weapon and halting their support of terrorists and militias that are causing so much suffering and chaos throughout the Middle East”. Nothing new here. As for how this evil alliance will fight when it does not have any boots worth putting on the ground? Here, again, the solution as simple as it is old: to use the ISIS/al-Qaeda takfiri crazies as cannon fodder for the US, Israel and the KSA. This is just a re-heated version of the “brilliant” Brzezinski plan on how to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Back to the future indeed. And should the “good terrorists” win, by some kind of miracle, in Syria, then turn them loose against against Hezbollah in Lebanon and against the Shias in Iraq and Iran. Who knows, with some (a lot) of luck, the Empire might even be able to re-kindle the “Caucasus Emirate” somewhere on the southern borders of Russia, right?

Wrong.

For one thing, the locals are not impressed. Here is what the Secretary General of Hezbollah, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, had to say about this:

“The Israelis, are betting on Isis and all this takfiri project in the region… but in any case they know, the Israelis, the Americans, and all those who use the takfiris, that this is a project without any future. I tell you, and I also reassure everyone through this interview. This project has no future.”

He is right, of course. And the newly re-elected President of Iran, Hassan Rouhani, openly says that the Americans are clueless:

The problem is that the Americans do not know our region and those who advise US officials are misleading them

It is pretty clear who these ‘advisors’ are: the Saudis and the Israelis. Their intentions are also clear: to get the Americans to do their dirty work for them while remaining as far back as possible. You could say that the Saudis and Israelis are trying to get the Americans to do for them what the Americans are trying to get the Kurds to do for them in Iraq: be their cannon fodder. The big difference is that the Kurds at least clearly understand what is going on whereas the Americans are, indeed, clueless.

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Not all Americans, of course. Many fully understand what is happening. A good example of this acute awareness is what b had to say on Moon of Alabama after reading the transcript of the press briefing of Secretary of Defense Mattis, General Dunford and Special Envoy McGurk on the Campaign to Defeat ISIS:

My first thought after reading its was: “These people live in a different world. They have no idea how the real word works on the ground. What real people think, say, and are likely to do.” There was no strategic thought visible. Presented were only some misguided tactical ideas.

A senior British reporter, the Secretary General of Hezbollah, the President of Iran and a US blogger all seem to agree on one thing: there is no real US “policy” at work here, what we are seeing is a dangerous exercise in pretend-strategy which cannot result in anything but chaos and defeat.

So why is the Trump administration plowing ahead with this nonsense?

The reasons are most likely a combination of internal US politics and a case of “if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail”. The anti-Trump color revolution cum coup d’état which the Neocons and the US deep state started even before Trump actually got into the White House has never stopped and all the signs are that the anti-Trump forces will only rest once Trump is impeached and, possibly, removed from office. In response to this onslaught, all that Trump initially could come up with was to sacrifice his closest allies and friends (Flynn, Bannon) in the vain hope that this would appease the Neocons. Then he began to mindlessly endorse their “policies”. Predictably this has not worked either. Then Trump even tried floating the idea of having Joe Lieberman for FBI director before getting ‘cold feet’ and chaning his position yet again. And all the while while Trump is desperately trying to appease them, the Neocons are doubling-down, doubling-down again and then doubling-down some more. It is pretty clear by now that Trump does not have what it takes in terms of allies or even personal courage to tackle the swamp he promised to drain. As a result what we are seeing now looks like a repeat of the last couple of years of the Obama administration: a total lack of vision or even a general policy, chaos in the Executive Branch and a foreign policy characterized by a multiple personality disorder which see the Pentagon, Foggy Bottom, the CIA and the White House all pursuing completley different policies in pursuit of completely different goals. In turn, each of these actors engages in what (they think) they do best: the Pentagon bombs, the State Department pretends to negotiate, the CIA engages in more or less covert operation in support of more or less “good terrorists” while the White House focuses its efforts on trying to make the President look good or, at least, in control of something.

Truth be told, Trump has nothing at all to show so far:

Russia: according to rumors spread by the US, former corporate executive Rex Tillerson was supposed to go to Moscow to deliver some kind of ultimatum. Thank God that did not happen. Instead Tillerson spent several hours talking to Lavrov and then a couple more talking to Putin. More recently, Lavrov was received by Tillerson in the US and, following that meeting, he also met with Trump. Following all these meetings no tangible results were announced. What does that mean? Does that mean that nothing was achieved? Not at all, what was achieved is that the Russians clearly conveyed to the Americans two basic thing: first, that there were not impressed by their sabre-rattling and, second, that as long as the US was acting as a brain-dead elephant in a porcelain store there was no point for Russian to work with the US. To his credit, Trump apparently backed down and even tried to make a few conciliatory statements. Needless to say, the US Ziomedia crucified him for being “too friendly” with The Enemy. The outcome now is, of course, better than war with Russia, but neither is it some major breakthrough as Trump had promised (and, I believe, sincerely hoped for) during his campaign.

DPRK/PRC: what had to happen did, of course happen: all the sabre-rattling with three aircraft carriers strike groups ended up being a gigantic flop as neither the North Koreans nor the Chinese were very impressed. If anything, this big display of Cold War era hardware was correctly interpreted not as a sign of strength, but a sign of weakness. Trump wasted a lot of money and a lot of time, but he has absolutely nothing to show for it. The DPRK tested yet another intermediate range missile yesterday. Successfully, they say.

The Ukraine: apparently Trump simply does not care about the Ukraine and, frankly, I can’t blame him. Right now the situation there is so bad that no outside power can meaningfully influence the events there any more. I would argue that in this case, considering the objective circumstances, Trump did the right thing when he essentially “passed the baby” to Merkel and the EU: let them try to sort out this bloody mess as it is primarily their problem. Karma, you know.

So, all in all, Trump has nothing to show in the foreign policy realm. He made a lot of loud statements, followed by many threats, but at the end of the day somebody apparently told him “we can’t do that, Mr President” (and thank God for that anonymous hero!). Once this reality began to sink in all which was left is to create an illusion of foreign policy, a make-believe reality in which the US is still a superpower which can determine the outcome of any conflict. Considering that the AngloZionist Empire is, first and foremost, what Chris Hedges calls an “Empire of Illusions” it only makes sense for its President to focus on creating spectacles and photo opportunities. Alas, the White House is so clueless that it manages to commit major blunders even when trying to ingratiate itself with a close ally. We saw that during the recent Trump trip to Saudi Arabia when both Melania and Ivanka Trump refused to cover their heads while in Riyadh but did so when they visited the Pope in the Vatican. As the French say, this was “worse than a crime, it was a blunder” which speaks a million words about the contempt in which the American elites hold the Muslim world.

There is another sign that the US is really scraping the bottom of the barrel: Rex Tillerson has now declared that “NATO should formally join the anti-Daesh coalition”. In military terms, NATO is worse than useless for the US: the Americans are much better off fighting by themselves than involving a large number of “pretend armies” who could barely protect themselves in a real battlefield. Oh sure, you can probably scrape a halfway decent battalion here, maybe even a regiment there, but all in all NATO forces are useless, especially for ground operations. They, just like the Saudis and Israelis, prefer to strike from the air, preferably protected by USAF AWACs, and never to get involved in the kind of ugly infantry fighting which is taking place in Syria. For all their very real faults and problems, at least the Americans do have a number of truly combat capable units, such as the Marines and some Army units, which are experienced and capable of giving the Takfiris a run for their money. But the Europeans? Forget it!

It is really pathetic to observe the desperate efforts of the Trump Administration to create some kind of halfway credible anti-Daesh coalition while strenuously avoiding to look at the simple fact that the only parties which can field a large number of combat capable units to fight Daesh are the Iranians, Hezbollah and, potentially, the Russians. This is why Iranian President Rouhani recently declared that

“Who fought against the terrorists? It was Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Russia. But who funded the terrorists? Those who fund terrorists cannot claim they are fighting against them” and “Who can say regional stability can be restored without Iran? Who can say the region will experience total stability without Iran?”

In truth, even the Turks and the Kurds don’t really have what it would take to defeat Daesh in Syria. But the worst mistake of the US generals is that they are still pretending as if a large and experienced infantry force like Daesh/ISIS/al-Qaeda/etc could be defeated without a major ground offensive. That won’t happen.

So Trump can dance with the Wahabis and stand in prayer at the wailing wall, but all his efforts to determine the outcome of the war in Syria are bound to fail: far from being a superpower, the US has basically become irrelevant, especially in the Middle East. This is why Russia, Iran and Turkey are now attempting to create a trilateral “US free” framework to try to change the conditions on the ground. The very best the US are still capable of is to sabotage those efforts and needlessly prolong the carnage in Syria and Iraq. That is both pathetic and deeply immoral.

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When I saw Trump dancing with his Saudi pals I immediately thought of the movies “Dances with Wolves” and “Titanic”. Empires often end in violence and chaos, but Trump has apparently decided to add a good measure of ridicule to the mix. The tragedy is that neither the United States nor the rest of the planet can afford that kind of ridicule right now, especially not the kind of ridicule which can very rapidly escalate in an orgy of violence. With the European politicians paralyzed in a state subservient stupor to the Rothschild gang, Latin America ravaged by (mostly US-instigated) crises and the rest of the planet trying to stay clear from the stumbling ex-superpower, the burden to try to contain this slow-motion train wreck falls upon Russia and China.

As for Trump, he made a short speech before NATO leaders today. He spoke about the “threats from Russia and on NATO’s eastern and southern borders”. QED.

 
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  2. Three pictures will do more to unite the Takfiris than anything that has happened in the last 500 years.
    1. The Trump women uncovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Followed soon after by 2., Trump in yarmulka praying at the Wall and then
    3. the women with heads covered at the Vatican.
    For spice, throw in 4., the sword dance and every jihadi on earth will be grinding his teeth.
    Our guy has really done it now. Those pictures will adorn a million walls as jihad icons henceforth.
    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Not sure about the importance of the imagery.

    I guess one could additionally spray-paint Mohammed onto the Kaaba, by drone.

    That sure would lead to an Irate Charlie Hebdo event.

    (Also, I thought Takfiris only attack other Muslims (that's the definition, right?))
    , @Demontage2000
    Granted that the missile strike in Syria was arguably an appeasement to his neocon and liberal critics, Trump is liked mainly for not appeasing enemies, foreign or domestic, by phony placations:
    1. American women don't have to cover themselves.
    2. Trump's daughter (by conversion), his son-in-law, and his three grandchildren by them, are Jewish.
    3. Trump's wife is Catholic.
    Those photos show Trump and family following their own customs. The people Trump should worry most about offending are the people who voted for him.
    , @Z-man

    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.
     
    Spoken like a good Izraeli firster, Neocon et al..
    , @Talha
    Hey Robert,

    Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes.
     
    Not a good idea. The sprawling city of Karachi has close to 3/4 of the population of the entire country of Iraq. There are parts of it that the Pakistani Army doesn't want to enter.

    Stalingrad Redux.

    On top of that, unless one is prepared to decapitate the necessary elements of the technocratic apparatus that built these weapons - they'll simply build new ones.

    I'm all for Pakistan getting rid of their nukes. Of course, I'm all for everyone getting rid of their nukes.

    Peace.
    , @Rabbitnexus
    Indeed yet the USA will keep on clandestinely supporting them and allowing them to come live with them as refugees as well. Many of those "Refugees" are actually Takfiris running away from a losing war.
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  3. Avery says:

    {Tillerson was supposed to go to Moscow to deliver some kind of ultimatum.}

    What kind of so-called ‘ultimatum’ could Tillerson possibly deliver to Moscow? What hasn’t Washington already ‘ultimatumed’ to Russia that has failed to force Russia to submit to Washington’s will:
    1) Assault on the Ruble: failed.
    2) Engineered oil price collapse: failed.
    3) Sanctions: failed.
    4) Syria: failed.
    5) ……..

    {Thank God that did not happen.}

    And as Mr. Spock said to Dr. Bones in one of the episodes “…..the Deity had nothing to do with it: it was my cross-linking to B that did it…..”: Deity had nothing to do with it. It was thems 8,000 or so nuclear warheads that Russia has that did it. US issues ultimatums only to countries that can’t bite back, like telling Saddam he has 48 hours to get,…and then promptly invading.

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    One more thing.

    When Victoria "F___ EU" Nudelman was running around State Dept, she was also sent to Moscow to deliver some kind of 'ultimatum' to Lavrov/Putin. She was promptly humiliated and sent packing back to the vipers' nest.
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  4. Avery says:
    @Avery
    {Tillerson was supposed to go to Moscow to deliver some kind of ultimatum.}

    What kind of so-called 'ultimatum' could Tillerson possibly deliver to Moscow? What hasn't Washington already 'ultimatumed' to Russia that has failed to force Russia to submit to Washington's will:
    1) Assault on the Ruble: failed.
    2) Engineered oil price collapse: failed.
    3) Sanctions: failed.
    4) Syria: failed.
    5) ........

    {Thank God that did not happen.}

    And as Mr. Spock said to Dr. Bones in one of the episodes ".....the Deity had nothing to do with it: it was my cross-linking to B that did it.....": Deity had nothing to do with it. It was thems 8,000 or so nuclear warheads that Russia has that did it. US issues ultimatums only to countries that can't bite back, like telling Saddam he has 48 hours to get,...and then promptly invading.

    One more thing.

    When Victoria “F___ EU” Nudelman was running around State Dept, she was also sent to Moscow to deliver some kind of ‘ultimatum’ to Lavrov/Putin. She was promptly humiliated and sent packing back to the vipers’ nest.

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  5. mh505 says:

    Just a little clarification: As far as is known, “b” from Moon of Alabama is not an American, nor does he live there.

    Apparently, he is a former officer of the German Bundeswehr.

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    Yes. And I think 'b' stands for Bernd.
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  6. Kirt says:

    On the plus side, the collapse of US power and influence in the world will be good for both the US and the rest of the world – unless the rulers are crazy enough to try a nuclear first strike against Russia and China.

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    Fortunately, the launch codes require at least one sane person to agree. I'm counting on one person who knows the consequences of a nuclear attack to step in and stop the other idiot(s). And we're assuming that the nukes still work. After watching a show on US nuclear readiness I have my doubts.
    https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g?list=UU3XTzVzaHQEd30rQbuvCtTQ
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  7. Sadly, all too true.

    I’ve been waiting for someone to point out the silliness of asking Russia and China to sanction North Korea, when the US currently has sanctions on Russia and is threatening China in the South China sea. Maybe that is what Lavrov talked about with Trump.

    Seems schizophrenic somehow.

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  8. El Dato says:
    @Robert Magill
    Three pictures will do more to unite the Takfiris than anything that has happened in the last 500 years.
    1. The Trump women uncovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Followed soon after by 2., Trump in yarmulka praying at the Wall and then
    3. the women with heads covered at the Vatican.
    For spice, throw in 4., the sword dance and every jihadi on earth will be grinding his teeth.
    Our guy has really done it now. Those pictures will adorn a million walls as jihad icons henceforth.
    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Not sure about the importance of the imagery.

    I guess one could additionally spray-paint Mohammed onto the Kaaba, by drone.

    That sure would lead to an Irate Charlie Hebdo event.

    (Also, I thought Takfiris only attack other Muslims (that’s the definition, right?))

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  9. Sean says:

    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn’t care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower’s only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?

    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

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    Shia terrorists killing American soldiers
     
    Two things here. First all, killing soldiers in a war is not a terrorist act, even by the most cuckservative definition. Second, killing FOREIGN soldiers that are in YOUR land is an acceptable practice, no amount of convoluted propaganda can make this wrong.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad) ...
     
    You have it backwards: the Russian got involved to make sure that Obama wouldn't bomb or otherwise attack Syria. It seems to have worked so far.
    , @WJ
    Syria and Iran were minor players in our Iraq debacle. Iran funded resistance there only after we got the bright idea of nation building and staying for the long term.

    Israel wants a chaotic, disorganized state on their border posing no unified threat to them. Of course the concerns and lives of Syrians are not their issue since it is all about what is good for Israel. Thank goodness for the Russians and their efforts to kill the jihadi swine that Israel and Saudi and the USA have been supporting since 2011.

    McMasters is neocon nut. He won a battle in the desert in 1991 against a junky, obsolete Iraq tank division and now he is the second coming of Patton. Any lives lost in his aggressive actions in Tal Afar were lives wasted and squandered. Let us hope that Trump doesn't succumb to McMasters' bad ideas.
    , @annamaria
    Somehow you have not noticed that Syria is a sovereign state with the well-defined borders, which Syrian government must protect from intruders, including the US/UK/Golfies-sponsored terrorists and other McMaster's "men." In comparison, the mythology-based upstart avoids to define its borders (to make the illegal annexations easier and to proceed with Oded Yinon barbaric plan), while demanding from the west a recognition of its very special victimhood and very special moral superiority.
    As for Saudis - thank you, but the readers are already aware that Israel cooperates cordially with the wahhabists. It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS "freedom fighters."
    , @MEexpert

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.
     
    Obviously, Sean is an Israeli Kool-Aid drinker who makes such idiotic comments. When did Assads (sic) become involve in Iraq? McMaster was in Iraq not in Syria. First, Americans are the outsiders who invaded Iraq. Any Iraqi retaliating against this invasion is a patriot, not a terrorist. Just as Hezbollah resistance fighters defending against the invading Israelis are not terrorists.

    Furthermore, Al-Qaeda and ISIS are the terrorists that did most of the killing of the American soldiers. Iraqi army and the Shia militias backed up by Iran are fighting these terrorists alongside the Americans. And in Syria, it is the Americans that are fighting alongside the terrorists against the Assad regime. It is the Americans that are bombing Syrian army and the civilians. It is the Americans that are supplying weapons to the terrorists in Syria.
    , @ProfessorChops
    Sean:
    That has to be one of the most contradictory, senseless, and poorly argued anti-Syrian posts I have read to date on this website. Sean, you are either a poorly performing troll or tied and gagged to a chair in some dungeon, forced to watch CNN 24/7. But even that fails to explain your geopolitical views. Wow!
    , @Joe Levantine
    As a Middle East insider, in as much as I find The Saker's article as hitting the nail on the head, I find your reasoning to perfectly reflect the American mainstream media's heroes such as the New York Slimes, the Cartoon News Network, the Washington Compost, The Wall Street Urinal et al.
    Expressing admiration for those in the military such as Mc Master is the typical mental deficiency that rewards a stooge for a job well done in the service of his nefarious masters. Mc Master is a neocon stooge whom we should never compare to General Patton who defended his moral principles at the expense of losing his life in defiance of the powers that be ( unless we believe the official story of Patton having died in a accident with his Jeep running at 30 miles an hour).
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  10. neutral says:
    @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    Shia terrorists killing American soldiers

    Two things here. First all, killing soldiers in a war is not a terrorist act, even by the most cuckservative definition. Second, killing FOREIGN soldiers that are in YOUR land is an acceptable practice, no amount of convoluted propaganda can make this wrong.

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    Your correct of course but you have to remember Sean has and had his own special line of propaganda to twist the facts to suit his own little world where black is white and we are never wrong..
    , @Sean
    Lawfulness is not at issue, but rather the political distinction between friend and foe. The enemy may be doing right by his lights but just beat him and what he thinks will be irrelevant.
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  11. krollchem says:

    Here is Jack Perry’s take on the war against ISIS Inc:

    “If there’s one thing Democrats and Republicans can agree upon, it’s war. Both of them never saw a war they didn’t like unless the other party started it, it’s going badly, and it’s an election year.”…

    “They want to declare war this time as opposed to just start bombing and worry about legality later. Okay, but who will they send the declaration of war to? ISIS is a non-state entity. What, will they just Twitter it out and hope ISIS cadre picks it up? In reality, what they better understand is this: When it’s a non-state entity, you can’t sign a cease-fire with them, either. Therefore, how will the U.S. exit this war, since cease-fires are its preferred route to getting someone else to take over the payments?”…

    “let’s keep in mind the U.S. government has technically been fighting ISIS via an air war for a few years now and we haven’t seen the “For Sale” sign up at ISIS, Inc. so far. Let’s also not forget the United States government could not find Osama bin Laden for several years, has not defeated al-Qaida for these 15 years plus since 9/11, and didn’t even defeat the Taliban over in Afghanistan where the U.S. military still remains today. And now they want to mortgage our future in order to buy the ISIS Boardwalk piece on the World Monopoly board?! Excuse me, but say what?! ”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/jack-perry/warning-were-overdue/

    The real answer is to stop supporting the fanatical Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf state and shutdown their religious schools that export radical Islam:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism

    See how Ramzan Kadyrov the President of Chechnya successfully reeducates Muslims who lose their way and make the mistake of listening to Wahhabist Imams:

    http://thesaker.is/ramzan-kadyrov-on-takfiri-terrorism/

    Likewise it is important to stop supporting Israel and their radical Jewish doctrine and close down their concentration camp, eliminate their chemical, biological and radiological weapons stockpiles, and close down their support for Al Qaeda and their allies including ISIS.

    Providing an apology to the sailors of the USS Liberty for their sacrifice and abandonment by the US government for the last 50 years is also in order. This shameful treatment of these US military is a major stain on America.

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    You are absolutely right: therefore completely wrong. Our "betters" like the way things are now.
    Incidentally, this reminded me of that Cheney mouthpiece from the earlier 2000's: ie we create reality, you merely follow, & when you catch up, we'll have created a new reality, & so on --
    "My first thought after reading its was: “These people live in a different world. They have no idea how the real world works..."
    21C hubris -- but, I wonder whether Sophocles etc would touch it with a barge pole ?
    , @wj
    The USS Liberty? Don't you know that even mentioning the USS Liberty attack is akin to Nazism?
    You are truly an anti-semite if you bring the prolonged bombardment of US vessel by an alleged ally.
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  12. Johan Nagel says: • Website

    A useful article, as is always the case with our fine Saker.

    Though I cannot understand why writers continue to follow the trawler like the seagulls waiting for the sardines, (a nod in the direction of King Eric!). Trump has been proven, as Obama was proven, and many before him, to be nominally a script reader, a totem for the masses to look towards as their ‘leader’ when the reality is that the government of the US especially and most obviously is merely tangible facet of a much bigger group. In short, Trump is a businessman given the chance to make a few extra millions and go down in history as a President. All he has to do is try to keep his mouth shut, make these visits to other countries for effect, make speeches given to him by others and he gets more gold and his place in history. It is all theatre…

    The real power is so obviously in Israel, alongside old and new money, the military industrial complex which is spearheaded by the US and UK…with the mass media another major power group and connected. Pharmaceutical and Agricultural corporations have also risen to huge prominence. Essentially, the ‘government’ is mainly for show.

    Trump has forged no new alliance. The KSa is run by immensely dodgy fiends who might even be Jews themselves. The two countries are an axis or seat of power in the region with the same aims, the same MO, the same funding, arming and support of the same militant groups. Anyway, much of this is outlined by the Saker.

    However, as I have seen elsewhere, this idea of the europeans being so weak and offering nothing on the power stage is either very poor reporting or some form of racism. The secret services of the Uk are involved in likely every theatre of war around the globe. They simply do not allow themselves to be so easily seen as the CIA or other military facets of the US death machine.

    I suspect the French also are very well connected and hugely involved. Behind the scenes. Mainly the Brits though. Always have been, always will be. Their bread and butter is serving interests well beyond the government, nothing to do with the people. I would also add that some of the special forces at least in the motherland (England to me) are revered as much as feared across the globe…this has been confirmed to me by soldiers, not just what I have read.

    Also, still on Europe, well at least the UK…Unlike the US, which managed to elect a racist, misogynist, bigot, the UK voted in enough numbers for their independence. They also have provided enough support from the people, not the Establishment to present to the world a candidate of decency, purity of heart and integrity, the likes of which have not been seen in the US, at such a high level, not anywhere else a handful of latin american countries, for many moons indeed.

    The witch hunt against him from his own party, from the Conservatives, from the mass media, from his so called ‘friends’ is a disgrace, yet the mere fact the people have caused such a tidal wave to even give such a man a chance, brings me pride and a slither, fast fading as it will prove, of hope…

    Too many writers generalize Europe too much for me to conclude anything other than their experience of Europe comes from words on a screen rather than practical living in the countries and peoples they write of.

    NB. Also, for a bit of fun, I used a couple of introductions of characters from Dostoyevsky’s The Devils, as I watched interviews with Corbyn and May last night, and tailored the text to provide…Fyodor’s analysis of the candidates!>> http://thedissolutefox.com/profiling-the-candidates-uk-elections-corbyn-and-may/ )

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    ... this idea of the europeans being so weak and offering nothing on the power stage is either very poor reporting or some form of racism. The secret services of the Uk are involved in likely every theatre of war around the globe.
     
    In the first case, Saker himself is white--born and raised in Switzerland, in fact--so the term 'racism' would hardly apply in this case. And secondly, Saker wasn't talking about "secret services" - I assume you mean MI6, or something like that? He was talking about "truly combat capable units." Go back and read the article. Spooks are good for causing trouble, but they're not much good at defeating armies and occupying countries.

    They also have provided enough support from the people, not the Establishment to present to the world a candidate of decency, purity of heart and integrity, the likes of which have not been seen in the US, at such a high level, not anywhere else a handful of latin american countries, for many moons indeed.
     
    I assume you're referring to Jeremy Corbyn here? If so, don't get too excited. As you yourself noted, he's not going to win, anymore than Bernie Sanders did in the US. The sad fact is, the Labour Party is now doomed no matter who runs it. Tony Blair killed it. As a consequence of him, half their voters walked out and went over to the SNP. The year 2005 was Labour's last hurrah, I'm afraid.
    , @Ace
    ** a racist, misogynist, bigot **

    Obama's out of office now. Let's move past that unfortunate period.
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  13. @Robert Magill
    Three pictures will do more to unite the Takfiris than anything that has happened in the last 500 years.
    1. The Trump women uncovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Followed soon after by 2., Trump in yarmulka praying at the Wall and then
    3. the women with heads covered at the Vatican.
    For spice, throw in 4., the sword dance and every jihadi on earth will be grinding his teeth.
    Our guy has really done it now. Those pictures will adorn a million walls as jihad icons henceforth.
    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Granted that the missile strike in Syria was arguably an appeasement to his neocon and liberal critics, Trump is liked mainly for not appeasing enemies, foreign or domestic, by phony placations:
    1. American women don’t have to cover themselves.
    2. Trump’s daughter (by conversion), his son-in-law, and his three grandchildren by them, are Jewish.
    3. Trump’s wife is Catholic.
    Those photos show Trump and family following their own customs. The people Trump should worry most about offending are the people who voted for him.

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  14. The Dutch university professors Laslo Maracs and Wolfferen agree, Trump understands that eight years Obama cannot be continued, leads the USA to political and economic ruin.
    China and Russia were driven together, the economic centre of the world moved from the Atlantic to Central Asia.
    John Maynard Keynes already knew, ‘ideas are the most powerful in the world’, even obsolete ideas as the west controlling the world.
    This is the obstruction by CNN, Washpost and NYT, they do not understand that their world no longer exists.
    Trump, in the view of the mentioned profs, and in mine, is manoevring cautiously in order to change history, as Roosevelt needed some seven years to get the USA people in the mood for war, Trump maybe needs as many years to remove the mood for war from the USA.
    Trump has to move cautiously, I do not think he believes the Oswald story about the murder of Kennedy.

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  15. @krollchem
    Here is Jack Perry's take on the war against ISIS Inc:

    "If there’s one thing Democrats and Republicans can agree upon, it’s war. Both of them never saw a war they didn’t like unless the other party started it, it’s going badly, and it’s an election year."...

    "They want to declare war this time as opposed to just start bombing and worry about legality later. Okay, but who will they send the declaration of war to? ISIS is a non-state entity. What, will they just Twitter it out and hope ISIS cadre picks it up? In reality, what they better understand is this: When it’s a non-state entity, you can’t sign a cease-fire with them, either. Therefore, how will the U.S. exit this war, since cease-fires are its preferred route to getting someone else to take over the payments?"...

    "let’s keep in mind the U.S. government has technically been fighting ISIS via an air war for a few years now and we haven’t seen the “For Sale” sign up at ISIS, Inc. so far. Let’s also not forget the United States government could not find Osama bin Laden for several years, has not defeated al-Qaida for these 15 years plus since 9/11, and didn’t even defeat the Taliban over in Afghanistan where the U.S. military still remains today. And now they want to mortgage our future in order to buy the ISIS Boardwalk piece on the World Monopoly board?! Excuse me, but say what?! "

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/jack-perry/warning-were-overdue/

    The real answer is to stop supporting the fanatical Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf state and shutdown their religious schools that export radical Islam:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism

    See how Ramzan Kadyrov the President of Chechnya successfully reeducates Muslims who lose their way and make the mistake of listening to Wahhabist Imams:
    http://thesaker.is/ramzan-kadyrov-on-takfiri-terrorism/

    Likewise it is important to stop supporting Israel and their radical Jewish doctrine and close down their concentration camp, eliminate their chemical, biological and radiological weapons stockpiles, and close down their support for Al Qaeda and their allies including ISIS.

    Providing an apology to the sailors of the USS Liberty for their sacrifice and abandonment by the US government for the last 50 years is also in order. This shameful treatment of these US military is a major stain on America.

    You are absolutely right: therefore completely wrong. Our “betters” like the way things are now.
    Incidentally, this reminded me of that Cheney mouthpiece from the earlier 2000′s: ie we create reality, you merely follow, & when you catch up, we’ll have created a new reality, & so on –
    “My first thought after reading its was: “These people live in a different world. They have no idea how the real world works…”
    21C hubris — but, I wonder whether Sophocles etc would touch it with a barge pole ?

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  16. Sherman says:

    Hey Andrei

    Your beloved Russians are wasting money and resources they don’t have propping up a despised dictator in Syria.

    This is no doubt causing anti-Russian resentment throughout the Arab world that will last for years.

    Hezbollah is also bogged down and bleeding and weakened in this fight. Ditto for their Iranian backers.

    There is no end in sight to this war and it seems like it’s a bunch of bad guys killing each other off.

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    lol Are you Jewish by any chance? Typical Jewish rambling - all 4 points.
    , @WJ
    Assad is a secular dictator who actually shelterd non-muslims from the ravages of the jihadis. Fortunately, with the aid of the Russians the tide has turned and the rats propped up by the Saudis, Americans and Israelis are being turned back. But our good old ally Israel, will keep trying with US tax dollars.
    , @KA
    How is that ( Wresting money they don't have) working for Americans in America? Where is the money going? Who benefits?
    When is the public from the more free country named America going to challenge the indiscriminate spending on military , on foreign aid , doles, grants, and intelligence spending geared to the need of foreign country who stabs America in the back?

    People with high school education doesn't hold grudge against Russia or Iran.

    That is the ploy and the talking point of those who fathered the Shia Sunni fight by threatening and bribing Saudis and monarchies . Otherwise Saudi would have faced the same fate Ghaddafi had and Basher Assad is facing. Saudi 's hatred against Iran is made in the brothel of the neocon .
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  17. “… the US will contribute the military “expertise” of a country which can’t even take Mosul ….”

    Oh, come on now … The US has taken Mosul two or three times already. The problem is that we are so spread out in all the interventions that we keep losing track of what we already have taken and find ourselves taking it again and again and again.

    GWOT … the gift that keeps on giving.

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  18. Lol, it is more like dancing with jackals.

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  19. DanCT says:

    Trump may be influenced by the MIC and major industry groups, but they are not the deep state, which should be narrowly defined as Israel itself, its fifth column, and those elements in gov and the media who succeeded in pulling off and covering up 911, without which we wouldn’t be dealing with any of this.

    What I find alarming is Conservativism Inc’s willingness to accept the preposterous official narrative about 911 while “bravely” challenging gov data and narratives in all other respects. Conservatives such as Pat Buchanan on down are willing to throw out over one thousand years of Western development regarding the rational relationship between evidence and conclusion, and not least the scientific method, to support what amounts to fantastical storytelling.

    I find it helpful to pull up Google images of these conservative opposition voices, almost invariably cowardly looking little nerds, to understand why we are being neutralized instead of organized to fight the deep state and in our efforts to restore order.

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  20. […] Fisk vom Independent, einem ausgewiesenen Nahost-Experten, und – darauf Bezug nehmend – The Saker, dessen Sicht häufig die sonst zu kurz kommende russische Perspektive […]

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  21. @mh505
    Just a little clarification: As far as is known, "b" from Moon of Alabama is not an American, nor does he live there.

    Apparently, he is a former officer of the German Bundeswehr.

    Yes. And I think ‘b’ stands for Bernd.

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  22. Another good one from the Saker. Now, a few cavils:

    We saw that during the recent Trump trip to Saudi Arabia when both Melania and Ivanka Trump refused to cover their heads while in Riyadh but did so when they visited the Pope in the Vatican. As the French say, this was “worse than a crime, it was a blunder” which speaks a million words about the contempt in which the American elites hold the Muslim world.

    Or it might simply be a function of the fact that Melania’s a Catholic and not a Moslem. Is the King of Saudi Arabia qualified to hear her confession? I don’t think so!

    In truth, even the Turks and the Kurds don’t really have what it would take to defeat Daesh in Syria.

    Especially not when they’re too busy fighting each other.

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  23. @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad) …

    You have it backwards: the Russian got involved to make sure that Obama wouldn’t bomb or otherwise attack Syria. It seems to have worked so far.

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    Obaama was halted from bombing Assad by a vote in the British Parliament.
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  24. @Johan Nagel
    A useful article, as is always the case with our fine Saker.

    Though I cannot understand why writers continue to follow the trawler like the seagulls waiting for the sardines, (a nod in the direction of King Eric!). Trump has been proven, as Obama was proven, and many before him, to be nominally a script reader, a totem for the masses to look towards as their 'leader' when the reality is that the government of the US especially and most obviously is merely tangible facet of a much bigger group. In short, Trump is a businessman given the chance to make a few extra millions and go down in history as a President. All he has to do is try to keep his mouth shut, make these visits to other countries for effect, make speeches given to him by others and he gets more gold and his place in history. It is all theatre...

    The real power is so obviously in Israel, alongside old and new money, the military industrial complex which is spearheaded by the US and UK...with the mass media another major power group and connected. Pharmaceutical and Agricultural corporations have also risen to huge prominence. Essentially, the 'government' is mainly for show.

    Trump has forged no new alliance. The KSa is run by immensely dodgy fiends who might even be Jews themselves. The two countries are an axis or seat of power in the region with the same aims, the same MO, the same funding, arming and support of the same militant groups. Anyway, much of this is outlined by the Saker.

    However, as I have seen elsewhere, this idea of the europeans being so weak and offering nothing on the power stage is either very poor reporting or some form of racism. The secret services of the Uk are involved in likely every theatre of war around the globe. They simply do not allow themselves to be so easily seen as the CIA or other military facets of the US death machine.

    I suspect the French also are very well connected and hugely involved. Behind the scenes. Mainly the Brits though. Always have been, always will be. Their bread and butter is serving interests well beyond the government, nothing to do with the people. I would also add that some of the special forces at least in the motherland (England to me) are revered as much as feared across the globe...this has been confirmed to me by soldiers, not just what I have read.

    Also, still on Europe, well at least the UK...Unlike the US, which managed to elect a racist, misogynist, bigot, the UK voted in enough numbers for their independence. They also have provided enough support from the people, not the Establishment to present to the world a candidate of decency, purity of heart and integrity, the likes of which have not been seen in the US, at such a high level, not anywhere else a handful of latin american countries, for many moons indeed.

    The witch hunt against him from his own party, from the Conservatives, from the mass media, from his so called 'friends' is a disgrace, yet the mere fact the people have caused such a tidal wave to even give such a man a chance, brings me pride and a slither, fast fading as it will prove, of hope...

    Too many writers generalize Europe too much for me to conclude anything other than their experience of Europe comes from words on a screen rather than practical living in the countries and peoples they write of.

    NB. Also, for a bit of fun, I used a couple of introductions of characters from Dostoyevsky's The Devils, as I watched interviews with Corbyn and May last night, and tailored the text to provide...Fyodor's analysis of the candidates!>> http://thedissolutefox.com/profiling-the-candidates-uk-elections-corbyn-and-may/ )

    … this idea of the europeans being so weak and offering nothing on the power stage is either very poor reporting or some form of racism. The secret services of the Uk are involved in likely every theatre of war around the globe.

    In the first case, Saker himself is white–born and raised in Switzerland, in fact–so the term ‘racism’ would hardly apply in this case. And secondly, Saker wasn’t talking about “secret services” – I assume you mean MI6, or something like that? He was talking about “truly combat capable units.” Go back and read the article. Spooks are good for causing trouble, but they’re not much good at defeating armies and occupying countries.

    They also have provided enough support from the people, not the Establishment to present to the world a candidate of decency, purity of heart and integrity, the likes of which have not been seen in the US, at such a high level, not anywhere else a handful of latin american countries, for many moons indeed.

    I assume you’re referring to Jeremy Corbyn here? If so, don’t get too excited. As you yourself noted, he’s not going to win, anymore than Bernie Sanders did in the US. The sad fact is, the Labour Party is now doomed no matter who runs it. Tony Blair killed it. As a consequence of him, half their voters walked out and went over to the SNP. The year 2005 was Labour’s last hurrah, I’m afraid.

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    I'm aware of his origins, and am a great fan of his writing, especially his military focus.

    Yet Europe is not comprised solely of switzerland. I cannot or speak of the Spanish with any authority as I have never lived there, the same I could say of all other european countries other than England. Whilst I have spent time across Europe and met many Europeans it is wrong for me to comment on the Europeans en masse, as one people, with one government, one army, one voice, one set of hopes and fears. One of the finest elements of Europe is the huge contrasts between cultures which lie and exist within miles of each other.

    There is also more power in the British forces than merely the secret services. They have assisted the US in destroying Libya, Syria, Iraq and launching a military coup in Ukraine. Their record seems pretty good for what it sets out to do. Regardless of their real position as foot soldiers for Death Inc.

    There is a tendency for those writing in a markedly anti-establishment manner to be beyond criticism. This should never be the case.

    And you missed my point of Corbyn. It's the fact that he has even found himself a contender that is remarkable and deserves praise and should be celebrated. It confirms that at least in England, there remains grit and spirit in the people...Sanders appeared to have some decency, yet he remained a stooge to certain powers hellbent on mass carnage. Some hope is better than no hope.
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  25. Trump was probably shaking his booty to this crackpot music…Talk about lupine psychopathy, ( and no, I’m not referring to flowers.)…

    Article here:http://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/triumphalist-jerusalem-goosebumps/

    Vid:https://youtu.be/mZWhcyKKdNU

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  26. @Sherman
    Hey Andrei

    Your beloved Russians are wasting money and resources they don't have propping up a despised dictator in Syria.

    This is no doubt causing anti-Russian resentment throughout the Arab world that will last for years.

    Hezbollah is also bogged down and bleeding and weakened in this fight. Ditto for their Iranian backers.

    There is no end in sight to this war and it seems like it's a bunch of bad guys killing each other off.

    lol Are you Jewish by any chance? Typical Jewish rambling – all 4 points.

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  27. WJ says:
    @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    Syria and Iran were minor players in our Iraq debacle. Iran funded resistance there only after we got the bright idea of nation building and staying for the long term.

    Israel wants a chaotic, disorganized state on their border posing no unified threat to them. Of course the concerns and lives of Syrians are not their issue since it is all about what is good for Israel. Thank goodness for the Russians and their efforts to kill the jihadi swine that Israel and Saudi and the USA have been supporting since 2011.

    McMasters is neocon nut. He won a battle in the desert in 1991 against a junky, obsolete Iraq tank division and now he is the second coming of Patton. Any lives lost in his aggressive actions in Tal Afar were lives wasted and squandered. Let us hope that Trump doesn’t succumb to McMasters’ bad ideas.

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    Patton quote

    “Do not regard what you do only as preparation for doing the same thing more fully or better at some later time. Nothing is ever done twice. There is no next time.”
     
    Quote of Patton, he lived that and drove himself hard. As Clausewitz said, iron will overcomes all obstacles, but it wears you out. If you look at photographs of him at the time he seemed prematurely aged-- and his physical condition was a big part of whyPatton died from an accident that others in the car survived without injury.
    , @Sean

    http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/jan/1252075.htm
    During questioning by the Americans after his capture, the boy told how he had been sodomised and abused by the insurgents, before being given the job of holding down the legs of victims they beheaded. Throughout the traumatic period of his detention by some of the most barbaric fighters in Iraq, the only reassurance the boy was ever given was that of promotion; that he himself would one day become an executioner and beheader.

    It's a shocking account, but then, in August and September of last year, Tal Afar was a place of scarcely believable brutality.


    This town of some 200,000 people, barely 40 miles from the Syrian border, had become "like something from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome", according to another senior coalition military spokesman in Baghdad.

    In some Tal Afar neighbourhoods, such as Sarai, the entire infrastructure was in the grip of insurgents and jihadists, who ran everything from water and electricity supplies, to arms smuggling and propaganda campaigns, all enforced by a regime of kidnappings, shootings and beheadings.

    Many of the insurgents within this anarchic hotbed of bombers and gunmen were foreign Islamist fighters, who had been ferried clandestinely along the labyrinth of mountain and desert smuggling routes that runs to Tal Afar and Mosul from the Syrian frontier.

    During questioning by the Americans after his capture, the boy told how he had been sodomised and abused by the insurgents, before being given the job of holding down the legs of victims they beheaded. Throughout the traumatic period of his detention by some of the most barbaric fighters in Iraq, the only reassurance the boy was ever given was that of promotion; that he himself would one day become an executioner and beheader.

    It's a shocking account, but then, in August and September of last year, Tal Afar was a place of scarcely believable brutality.


    This town of some 200,000 people, barely 40 miles from the Syrian border, had become "like something from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome", according to another senior coalition military spokesman in Baghdad.

    In some Tal Afar neighbourhoods, such as Sarai, the entire infrastructure was in the grip of insurgents and jihadists, who ran everything from water and electricity supplies, to arms smuggling and propaganda campaigns, all enforced by a regime of kidnappings, shootings and beheadings.

    Many of the insurgents within this anarchic hotbed of bombers and gunmen were foreign Islamist fighters, who had been ferried clandestinely along the labyrinth of mountain and desert smuggling routes that runs to Tal Afar and Mosul from the Syrian frontier.
     

    In Tal Afar,McMaster rooted out and destroyed terrorists in their stronghold which just happened to be on the border with Assad controled Syria. Young Iraqi men and boys didn't want to be sodomised into carrying out suicide bombings by the terror cadres, so they helped the Americans.

    The grain of truth in the assertion that the US was behing Isis is that Assad suffered blow-back as some of the terrorists defeated in Iraq decided to take a hand in the Syrian civil war. Hence is American forces in Iraq could be said to have facilitated Jihad was be making them flee back into Syria--the way they had came.

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  28. WJ says:
    @Sherman
    Hey Andrei

    Your beloved Russians are wasting money and resources they don't have propping up a despised dictator in Syria.

    This is no doubt causing anti-Russian resentment throughout the Arab world that will last for years.

    Hezbollah is also bogged down and bleeding and weakened in this fight. Ditto for their Iranian backers.

    There is no end in sight to this war and it seems like it's a bunch of bad guys killing each other off.

    Assad is a secular dictator who actually shelterd non-muslims from the ravages of the jihadis. Fortunately, with the aid of the Russians the tide has turned and the rats propped up by the Saudis, Americans and Israelis are being turned back. But our good old ally Israel, will keep trying with US tax dollars.

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  29. wj says:
    @krollchem
    Here is Jack Perry's take on the war against ISIS Inc:

    "If there’s one thing Democrats and Republicans can agree upon, it’s war. Both of them never saw a war they didn’t like unless the other party started it, it’s going badly, and it’s an election year."...

    "They want to declare war this time as opposed to just start bombing and worry about legality later. Okay, but who will they send the declaration of war to? ISIS is a non-state entity. What, will they just Twitter it out and hope ISIS cadre picks it up? In reality, what they better understand is this: When it’s a non-state entity, you can’t sign a cease-fire with them, either. Therefore, how will the U.S. exit this war, since cease-fires are its preferred route to getting someone else to take over the payments?"...

    "let’s keep in mind the U.S. government has technically been fighting ISIS via an air war for a few years now and we haven’t seen the “For Sale” sign up at ISIS, Inc. so far. Let’s also not forget the United States government could not find Osama bin Laden for several years, has not defeated al-Qaida for these 15 years plus since 9/11, and didn’t even defeat the Taliban over in Afghanistan where the U.S. military still remains today. And now they want to mortgage our future in order to buy the ISIS Boardwalk piece on the World Monopoly board?! Excuse me, but say what?! "

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/jack-perry/warning-were-overdue/

    The real answer is to stop supporting the fanatical Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf state and shutdown their religious schools that export radical Islam:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism

    See how Ramzan Kadyrov the President of Chechnya successfully reeducates Muslims who lose their way and make the mistake of listening to Wahhabist Imams:
    http://thesaker.is/ramzan-kadyrov-on-takfiri-terrorism/

    Likewise it is important to stop supporting Israel and their radical Jewish doctrine and close down their concentration camp, eliminate their chemical, biological and radiological weapons stockpiles, and close down their support for Al Qaeda and their allies including ISIS.

    Providing an apology to the sailors of the USS Liberty for their sacrifice and abandonment by the US government for the last 50 years is also in order. This shameful treatment of these US military is a major stain on America.

    The USS Liberty? Don’t you know that even mentioning the USS Liberty attack is akin to Nazism?
    You are truly an anti-semite if you bring the prolonged bombardment of US vessel by an alleged ally.

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    Yes, I understand that it swill soon be a criminal offense. Such transgressions would be handled in a FISA court star chamber arrest and no jury trial.

    Isn't democracy wonderful...
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  30. bluedog says:
    @neutral

    Shia terrorists killing American soldiers
     
    Two things here. First all, killing soldiers in a war is not a terrorist act, even by the most cuckservative definition. Second, killing FOREIGN soldiers that are in YOUR land is an acceptable practice, no amount of convoluted propaganda can make this wrong.

    Your correct of course but you have to remember Sean has and had his own special line of propaganda to twist the facts to suit his own little world where black is white and we are never wrong..

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    Oh no! I am an outsider.
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  31. @Seamus Padraig

    Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad) ...
     
    You have it backwards: the Russian got involved to make sure that Obama wouldn't bomb or otherwise attack Syria. It seems to have worked so far.

    Obaama was halted from bombing Assad by a vote in the British Parliament.

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    There was more to it than a vote, I'm sure. Don't ever imagine that the neocons will long allow some vote to get in their way. I mean, witness what happened with Trump, right? He won the election with a mandate for détente with Russia, building (actually completing) a wall on the Mexican border, and battling 'free' trade agreements. And what has happened since Nov. 8th? Well, not much us deplorables would be interested in.

    If the neocons ever lose an election, the most it'll do is temporarily delay their agenda while they think up some new provocation that will get the Russians (or the Chinese, or whoever) going again, so that they can use their media to holler "Aggression!!!" and demand that the voters adopt their plan. And if that doesn't work ... well, there's always the possibility of a false-flag (9/11, for example).

    Regarding the Syrian situation, here's a more likely version of events: Putin privately warned O'Bomber that, if he decided to bomb Syria, Russia would equip the SAA with a modern anti-aircraft defense system (I'm thinking along the lines of the S-300, or perhaps even the S-400). That freaked out the Israelis--after all, a SAM system good enough to deter NATO aircraft would be good enough to deter Izzy aircraft as well. So they told O'Bomber to cool it, and just let the jihadists do their work. Dripping water wears away the rock, you know. They apparently never anticipated that Russia would get directly involved in helping the Syrians fight the jihadists. And now, except for nuclear war, Washington's options in Syria are rapidly dwindling.

    , @HBM
    I thought he was halted by Putin who could prove that Kerry was full of shit.
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  32. annamaria says:
    @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    Somehow you have not noticed that Syria is a sovereign state with the well-defined borders, which Syrian government must protect from intruders, including the US/UK/Golfies-sponsored terrorists and other McMaster’s “men.” In comparison, the mythology-based upstart avoids to define its borders (to make the illegal annexations easier and to proceed with Oded Yinon barbaric plan), while demanding from the west a recognition of its very special victimhood and very special moral superiority.
    As for Saudis – thank you, but the readers are already aware that Israel cooperates cordially with the wahhabists. It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS “freedom fighters.”

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    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/05/syria-damascus-claim-invasion-jordan-russia-iraq-opposition.html

    In recent months, the area of the so-called Syrian-Jordanian-Iraqi triangle has seen fighting, negotiations, armistice, the breakup of old coalitions and the propping up of new ones. Over the past few weeks, the Russian media have given this area much attention, mainly due to repeated statements by Syrian authorities that an invasion of the southern regions of Syria in Daraa province is being prepared from Jordanian territory as part of a US-devised plan and that Damascus will regard this as an act of aggression.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/05/syria-damascus-claim-invasion-jordan-russia-iraq-opposition.html#ixzz4iPAJ8ufPIn recent months, the area of the so-called Syrian-Jordanian-Iraqi triangle has seen fighting, negotiations, armistice, the breakup of old coalitions and the propping up of new ones. Over the past few weeks, the Russian media have given this area much attention, mainly due to repeated statements by Syrian authorities that an invasion of the southern regions of Syria in Daraa province is being prepared from Jordanian territory as part of a US-devised plan and that Damascus will regard this as an act of aggression.
     
    Jordan and Syria hate each other, the reason is despite all the populations share, they are different states, and a near neighbour is a natural enemy. You cannot start an uprising with popular support. The US failed both times; in Cuba with Operation Mongoose and Nicaragua with the Contras their proxy terrorist force got nowhere. There may be some Western backing but the resistance still has not got Stingers from the US and are being crushed by the primitive Russian airplanes as a result. The basis of the uprising is that most of the people in Syria will not fight for Assad, and quite a lot will not live under his family dictatorship and longer.


    Israel already has more land than it needs, proven by the fact that as Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to give back a substantial portion of the West Bank, also also put the Golan on the table with Assad. The evidence is that Israel feels completely secure having the Assads in power, because the Assads know they would be smashed if the tried anything against Israel. They don't need to weaken Syria, and would have no way of knowing that the sides were equally matched enough for a long war, and whatever came out of a Syrian civil war would not be far more dangerous to Israel than Assad's regieme.

    Egypt is the only Arab country that Israel fears, the problems the military regieme in Egypt encountered were entirely home grown, so how can you say Syria was not an indigenous majority uprising. The Saudi have bought 100 billion of US arms, the customer is always right.
    , @L.K
    You r absolutely correct Anna Maria;

    Problem is you are trying to have an honest conversation with one of the worst zionist LIARS who post here at Unz.

    His goal is to confuse and obfuscate through his fiction writings...
    , @Junior

    It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS “freedom fighters.”
     
    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.

    Last month in the Times Of Israel an Israeli Ex-Defense Minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said ISIS has apologized to the State of Israel for attacking Israeli's by mistake in November. These lunatics in ISIS have been running around chopping the goddamn heads off of EVERYBODY they can get their goddamn hands on, EXCEPT for Israel. Israel gets an apology. When has anyone in their life EVER heard of ISIS apologizing to ANYBODY?! Proof positive of just what the hell is going on over there. Apparently ISIS didn't want to upset their bosses.

    Mossad: What are you doing you schmucks?! Those were Israeli's you attacked in Sector 5!

    ISIS: Sector 5?! I thought you said they were in Sector 6! I'm so sorry, Boss. It won't happen again.

    Mossad: It better not or we're gonna stop treating you guys in our hospitals! What do you think we helped the MI6 and the CIA create you for nothing?! This is completely unacceptable.

    ISIS: Don't worry, Boss. We'll have those Americans over here fighting your wars for you in no time! First in Syria then in Iran, right Boss?

    Mossad: That's right, Buddy. Syria then Iran. That's the plan. That's. The. Plan.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/

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  33. Z-man says:
    @Robert Magill
    Three pictures will do more to unite the Takfiris than anything that has happened in the last 500 years.
    1. The Trump women uncovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Followed soon after by 2., Trump in yarmulka praying at the Wall and then
    3. the women with heads covered at the Vatican.
    For spice, throw in 4., the sword dance and every jihadi on earth will be grinding his teeth.
    Our guy has really done it now. Those pictures will adorn a million walls as jihad icons henceforth.
    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    Spoken like a good Izraeli firster, Neocon et al..

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  34. Fuzzy says:

    Being raised a Catholic woman and being first-generation Italian who has traveled to Italy many times, the requirement to wear a “mantilla” in the Church was relinquished in the late sixties. The only dress requirement at the Vatican is no short skirts or shorts. The Italians do appreciate a nice decolletage so that is allowed in Church.

    They did look very silly at the Vatican in those outdated veils.

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    It might be outdated but is a sign of respect and the old order of Christianity, and there is nothing wrong with that. Melania's 'mantilla' was awful, she should have taken a note from her husband's daughter.
    I do appreciate a nice décolletage so that is ok by me also, lol.
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  35. Talha says:
    @Robert Magill
    Three pictures will do more to unite the Takfiris than anything that has happened in the last 500 years.
    1. The Trump women uncovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Followed soon after by 2., Trump in yarmulka praying at the Wall and then
    3. the women with heads covered at the Vatican.
    For spice, throw in 4., the sword dance and every jihadi on earth will be grinding his teeth.
    Our guy has really done it now. Those pictures will adorn a million walls as jihad icons henceforth.
    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Hey Robert,

    Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes.

    Not a good idea. The sprawling city of Karachi has close to 3/4 of the population of the entire country of Iraq. There are parts of it that the Pakistani Army doesn’t want to enter.

    Stalingrad Redux.

    On top of that, unless one is prepared to decapitate the necessary elements of the technocratic apparatus that built these weapons – they’ll simply build new ones.

    I’m all for Pakistan getting rid of their nukes. Of course, I’m all for everyone getting rid of their nukes.

    Peace.

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  36. @Philip Owen
    Obaama was halted from bombing Assad by a vote in the British Parliament.

    There was more to it than a vote, I’m sure. Don’t ever imagine that the neocons will long allow some vote to get in their way. I mean, witness what happened with Trump, right? He won the election with a mandate for détente with Russia, building (actually completing) a wall on the Mexican border, and battling ‘free’ trade agreements. And what has happened since Nov. 8th? Well, not much us deplorables would be interested in.

    If the neocons ever lose an election, the most it’ll do is temporarily delay their agenda while they think up some new provocation that will get the Russians (or the Chinese, or whoever) going again, so that they can use their media to holler “Aggression!!!” and demand that the voters adopt their plan. And if that doesn’t work … well, there’s always the possibility of a false-flag (9/11, for example).

    Regarding the Syrian situation, here’s a more likely version of events: Putin privately warned O’Bomber that, if he decided to bomb Syria, Russia would equip the SAA with a modern anti-aircraft defense system (I’m thinking along the lines of the S-300, or perhaps even the S-400). That freaked out the Israelis–after all, a SAM system good enough to deter NATO aircraft would be good enough to deter Izzy aircraft as well. So they told O’Bomber to cool it, and just let the jihadists do their work. Dripping water wears away the rock, you know. They apparently never anticipated that Russia would get directly involved in helping the Syrians fight the jihadists. And now, except for nuclear war, Washington’s options in Syria are rapidly dwindling.

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  37. TG says:

    Many excellent thoughts here.

    I would say that the core of the rot is that our elites are (perhaps terminally) both corrupt and insane. Democracy is hardly more than an illusion: what do the people with real money and power want? In the past our elites, though surely nepotistic and arrogant and not at all averse to feeding from the public trough, had at least some sense of responsibility to the nation as a whole – if only because they wanted their children and grandchildren to inherit it.

    But now our elites are totally out of control. They have no concern for the nation as a whole: many are dual citizens of other nations that are more important to them, but most think of nations as obsolete and the Untied States as just a place to make money and if it runs dry they will simply move on. Vast fortunes are made on inflated military contracting and bank bailouts and subsidies and government-guaranteed loans (so much for the discipline of the market! That’s only for little people). They confuse a long resume with true expertise, they fail utterly and call it ‘making the hard decisions,’ they suffer no negative consequences for their mistakes… They confuse their extensive college education with wisdom and come up with ever more elaborate and impractical plans, and never learn from experience. They are surrounded by sycophants, and a press that has concentrated into a handful of monopolies and only reports what it is told to report by the owners…

    No I don’t know what to do about this either. But if the people in charge are not on our side, democracy won’t matter. Witness the current failure of the Trump administration to execute on what was pledged during the campaign… just as with Obama in 2008, and Dubya in 2000…

    Maybe the old monarchists had a point. Democracy is a sham that privatizes power and socializes the blame. Perhaps we should be more up front that our true rulers – the Koch brothers, Bill Gates, the CEO’s of the big banks, etc. – are responsible for what is going on, not the general public. It is their manifesto that the shared national interest doesn’t matter, only personal greed and self-fulfillment, that has poisoned our body politic.

    Remember that Italian cruise ship captain that abandoned his ship and passengers when it began to sink? Disgusting, yes? I would propose that any American with real power – like maybe a net worth over billion – that they and their heirs (to the fourth generation) never be allowed to leave the country even it goes up in flames. So that perhaps their thoughts could be more properly concentrated.

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    Good points however we don't have power to stop them from leaving. Usually things like this end in elites being led to gallows or giliotines. This happened with Roman Republican elite, French nobles, Russian nobles. It would be nice to see Koch brothers drying up there flancked by Soros,Gates and Buffet.
    , @Ace
    A most insightful comment about elite detachment.
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  38. Z-man says:
    @Fuzzy
    Being raised a Catholic woman and being first-generation Italian who has traveled to Italy many times, the requirement to wear a "mantilla" in the Church was relinquished in the late sixties. The only dress requirement at the Vatican is no short skirts or shorts. The Italians do appreciate a nice decolletage so that is allowed in Church.

    They did look very silly at the Vatican in those outdated veils.

    It might be outdated but is a sign of respect and the old order of Christianity, and there is nothing wrong with that. Melania’s ‘mantilla’ was awful, she should have taken a note from her husband’s daughter.
    I do appreciate a nice décolletage so that is ok by me also, lol.

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  39. @TG
    Many excellent thoughts here.

    I would say that the core of the rot is that our elites are (perhaps terminally) both corrupt and insane. Democracy is hardly more than an illusion: what do the people with real money and power want? In the past our elites, though surely nepotistic and arrogant and not at all averse to feeding from the public trough, had at least some sense of responsibility to the nation as a whole - if only because they wanted their children and grandchildren to inherit it.

    But now our elites are totally out of control. They have no concern for the nation as a whole: many are dual citizens of other nations that are more important to them, but most think of nations as obsolete and the Untied States as just a place to make money and if it runs dry they will simply move on. Vast fortunes are made on inflated military contracting and bank bailouts and subsidies and government-guaranteed loans (so much for the discipline of the market! That's only for little people). They confuse a long resume with true expertise, they fail utterly and call it 'making the hard decisions,' they suffer no negative consequences for their mistakes... They confuse their extensive college education with wisdom and come up with ever more elaborate and impractical plans, and never learn from experience. They are surrounded by sycophants, and a press that has concentrated into a handful of monopolies and only reports what it is told to report by the owners...

    No I don't know what to do about this either. But if the people in charge are not on our side, democracy won't matter. Witness the current failure of the Trump administration to execute on what was pledged during the campaign... just as with Obama in 2008, and Dubya in 2000...

    Maybe the old monarchists had a point. Democracy is a sham that privatizes power and socializes the blame. Perhaps we should be more up front that our true rulers - the Koch brothers, Bill Gates, the CEO's of the big banks, etc. - are responsible for what is going on, not the general public. It is their manifesto that the shared national interest doesn't matter, only personal greed and self-fulfillment, that has poisoned our body politic.

    Remember that Italian cruise ship captain that abandoned his ship and passengers when it began to sink? Disgusting, yes? I would propose that any American with real power - like maybe a net worth over billion - that they and their heirs (to the fourth generation) never be allowed to leave the country even it goes up in flames. So that perhaps their thoughts could be more properly concentrated.

    Good points however we don’t have power to stop them from leaving. Usually things like this end in elites being led to gallows or giliotines. This happened with Roman Republican elite, French nobles, Russian nobles. It would be nice to see Koch brothers drying up there flancked by Soros,Gates and Buffet.

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  40. Sean says:
    @annamaria
    Somehow you have not noticed that Syria is a sovereign state with the well-defined borders, which Syrian government must protect from intruders, including the US/UK/Golfies-sponsored terrorists and other McMaster's "men." In comparison, the mythology-based upstart avoids to define its borders (to make the illegal annexations easier and to proceed with Oded Yinon barbaric plan), while demanding from the west a recognition of its very special victimhood and very special moral superiority.
    As for Saudis - thank you, but the readers are already aware that Israel cooperates cordially with the wahhabists. It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS "freedom fighters."

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/05/syria-damascus-claim-invasion-jordan-russia-iraq-opposition.html

    In recent months, the area of the so-called Syrian-Jordanian-Iraqi triangle has seen fighting, negotiations, armistice, the breakup of old coalitions and the propping up of new ones. Over the past few weeks, the Russian media have given this area much attention, mainly due to repeated statements by Syrian authorities that an invasion of the southern regions of Syria in Daraa province is being prepared from Jordanian territory as part of a US-devised plan and that Damascus will regard this as an act of aggression.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/05/syria-damascus-claim-invasion-jordan-russia-iraq-opposition.html#ixzz4iPAJ8ufPIn recent months, the area of the so-called Syrian-Jordanian-Iraqi triangle has seen fighting, negotiations, armistice, the breakup of old coalitions and the propping up of new ones. Over the past few weeks, the Russian media have given this area much attention, mainly due to repeated statements by Syrian authorities that an invasion of the southern regions of Syria in Daraa province is being prepared from Jordanian territory as part of a US-devised plan and that Damascus will regard this as an act of aggression.

    Jordan and Syria hate each other, the reason is despite all the populations share, they are different states, and a near neighbour is a natural enemy. You cannot start an uprising with popular support. The US failed both times; in Cuba with Operation Mongoose and Nicaragua with the Contras their proxy terrorist force got nowhere. There may be some Western backing but the resistance still has not got Stingers from the US and are being crushed by the primitive Russian airplanes as a result. The basis of the uprising is that most of the people in Syria will not fight for Assad, and quite a lot will not live under his family dictatorship and longer.

    Israel already has more land than it needs, proven by the fact that as Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to give back a substantial portion of the West Bank, also also put the Golan on the table with Assad. The evidence is that Israel feels completely secure having the Assads in power, because the Assads know they would be smashed if the tried anything against Israel. They don’t need to weaken Syria, and would have no way of knowing that the sides were equally matched enough for a long war, and whatever came out of a Syrian civil war would not be far more dangerous to Israel than Assad’s regieme.

    Egypt is the only Arab country that Israel fears, the problems the military regieme in Egypt encountered were entirely home grown, so how can you say Syria was not an indigenous majority uprising. The Saudi have bought 100 billion of US arms, the customer is always right.

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  41. Sean says:
    @neutral

    Shia terrorists killing American soldiers
     
    Two things here. First all, killing soldiers in a war is not a terrorist act, even by the most cuckservative definition. Second, killing FOREIGN soldiers that are in YOUR land is an acceptable practice, no amount of convoluted propaganda can make this wrong.

    Lawfulness is not at issue, but rather the political distinction between friend and foe. The enemy may be doing right by his lights but just beat him and what he thinks will be irrelevant.

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  42. Sean says:
    @bluedog
    Your correct of course but you have to remember Sean has and had his own special line of propaganda to twist the facts to suit his own little world where black is white and we are never wrong..

    Oh no! I am an outsider.

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  43. mcohen says:

    the 23 the July 2017 will see the beginning of the retreat of Russian forces from syria.they will have no reason to stay
    this in turn will leave Iran with no choice but to withdraw including allied militia.

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    Syria is winning the war, Russia, Iran and militias ain't leaving until job is completed.
    One has to wonder if lying zionist shills, such as yourself, have not been eating up your own BS to the point you have become totally disconnected to the facts on the ground.
    , @Ace
    What time?
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  44. KA says:
    @Sherman
    Hey Andrei

    Your beloved Russians are wasting money and resources they don't have propping up a despised dictator in Syria.

    This is no doubt causing anti-Russian resentment throughout the Arab world that will last for years.

    Hezbollah is also bogged down and bleeding and weakened in this fight. Ditto for their Iranian backers.

    There is no end in sight to this war and it seems like it's a bunch of bad guys killing each other off.

    How is that ( Wresting money they don’t have) working for Americans in America? Where is the money going? Who benefits?
    When is the public from the more free country named America going to challenge the indiscriminate spending on military , on foreign aid , doles, grants, and intelligence spending geared to the need of foreign country who stabs America in the back?

    People with high school education doesn’t hold grudge against Russia or Iran.

    That is the ploy and the talking point of those who fathered the Shia Sunni fight by threatening and bribing Saudis and monarchies . Otherwise Saudi would have faced the same fate Ghaddafi had and Basher Assad is facing. Saudi ‘s hatred against Iran is made in the brothel of the neocon .

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  45. Johan nagel says: • Website
    @Seamus Padraig

    ... this idea of the europeans being so weak and offering nothing on the power stage is either very poor reporting or some form of racism. The secret services of the Uk are involved in likely every theatre of war around the globe.
     
    In the first case, Saker himself is white--born and raised in Switzerland, in fact--so the term 'racism' would hardly apply in this case. And secondly, Saker wasn't talking about "secret services" - I assume you mean MI6, or something like that? He was talking about "truly combat capable units." Go back and read the article. Spooks are good for causing trouble, but they're not much good at defeating armies and occupying countries.

    They also have provided enough support from the people, not the Establishment to present to the world a candidate of decency, purity of heart and integrity, the likes of which have not been seen in the US, at such a high level, not anywhere else a handful of latin american countries, for many moons indeed.
     
    I assume you're referring to Jeremy Corbyn here? If so, don't get too excited. As you yourself noted, he's not going to win, anymore than Bernie Sanders did in the US. The sad fact is, the Labour Party is now doomed no matter who runs it. Tony Blair killed it. As a consequence of him, half their voters walked out and went over to the SNP. The year 2005 was Labour's last hurrah, I'm afraid.

    I’m aware of his origins, and am a great fan of his writing, especially his military focus.

    Yet Europe is not comprised solely of switzerland. I cannot or speak of the Spanish with any authority as I have never lived there, the same I could say of all other european countries other than England. Whilst I have spent time across Europe and met many Europeans it is wrong for me to comment on the Europeans en masse, as one people, with one government, one army, one voice, one set of hopes and fears. One of the finest elements of Europe is the huge contrasts between cultures which lie and exist within miles of each other.

    There is also more power in the British forces than merely the secret services. They have assisted the US in destroying Libya, Syria, Iraq and launching a military coup in Ukraine. Their record seems pretty good for what it sets out to do. Regardless of their real position as foot soldiers for Death Inc.

    There is a tendency for those writing in a markedly anti-establishment manner to be beyond criticism. This should never be the case.

    And you missed my point of Corbyn. It’s the fact that he has even found himself a contender that is remarkable and deserves praise and should be celebrated. It confirms that at least in England, there remains grit and spirit in the people…Sanders appeared to have some decency, yet he remained a stooge to certain powers hellbent on mass carnage. Some hope is better than no hope.

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    It is interesting to me that your thoughts about Corbyn are the same as mine, whilst I am not British. He has survived so many challenges by the Blairites (possibly even sleazier bunch than DNC in US).

    Regarding the difference of the British, it is Corbyn and Farage/Brexit that show that. There is no similarity with any other EU country, just look at the shame of the French and the Germans, which as countries (not individuals) are political Eurotrash because they are so easily manipulated. One possible explanation is that because the British Deep State has been so successful in mischief, as you correctly describe, the British are a little more politically mature, aware and resistant. The British did get 2M people out on the street before the aggression on Iraq. This did not change anything directly, but it does come back in the roundabout ways.
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  46. L.K says:
    @mcohen
    the 23 the July 2017 will see the beginning of the retreat of Russian forces from syria.they will have no reason to stay
    this in turn will leave Iran with no choice but to withdraw including allied militia.

    Syria is winning the war, Russia, Iran and militias ain’t leaving until job is completed.
    One has to wonder if lying zionist shills, such as yourself, have not been eating up your own BS to the point you have become totally disconnected to the facts on the ground.

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  47. L.K says:
    @annamaria
    Somehow you have not noticed that Syria is a sovereign state with the well-defined borders, which Syrian government must protect from intruders, including the US/UK/Golfies-sponsored terrorists and other McMaster's "men." In comparison, the mythology-based upstart avoids to define its borders (to make the illegal annexations easier and to proceed with Oded Yinon barbaric plan), while demanding from the west a recognition of its very special victimhood and very special moral superiority.
    As for Saudis - thank you, but the readers are already aware that Israel cooperates cordially with the wahhabists. It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS "freedom fighters."

    You r absolutely correct Anna Maria;

    Problem is you are trying to have an honest conversation with one of the worst zionist LIARS who post here at Unz.

    His goal is to confuse and obfuscate through his fiction writings…

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  48. anon says: • Disclaimer

    ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force. 5 + years and the combined forced of Great and Mighty Russia , Noble and Just Iran , Regal and moral Syria and of course king of kings Hezbollah still have not defeated them.

    I mean really, Hezbollas 5th rate soldiers routed Israel in days , but even with the help of Russia , Iran and Syria Hezbollah still hasnt beaten the goat boys in 5 years of fighting . Lets hear the caveats and excuses Shamir.

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    "ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force..."
    Well. Some of them did receive a superb training (do you remember "moderate jihadis" trained by the CIA?) plus they have got a lot of weaponry (the US brass cannot account for a large amount of weaponry, in the billions of dollars; guess where and in whose hands the weaponry has been used...) Then there is the Nato member Turkey and the monarchs of Saudi and Qatar, which have also suppled ISIS with money and weaponry (with a tacit approval from Israel and the US). Throughout the five years of fighting the US/NATO/Israel and their bosom buddies the royal wahhabists (and their proxies) have been invading various regions of the sovereign state of Syria thus supporting the ISIS' aspirations re islamic state at the heart of Syria. Israelis have been soundly for the same outcome and they even provided material and medical support to ISIS "freedom fighters."

    As for the memory of Shamir, it is not particularly nice: https://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/02/yitzhak-shamir-the-well-liked-terrorist/
    "Sometimes terrible people live long lives. Such is the case with Icchak Yezernitsky, a Russian-born racist, terrorist and eager ethnic cleanser who is better known to the world as former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. Shamir died on June 30 at a Tel Aviv nursing home from Alzheimer’s Disease at the ripe old age of 96. One can only wonder if he had forgotten all the war crimes he committed.
    Shamir was one of the leaders of Lehi (also known as The Stern Gang), a Zionist terrorist militia which rampaged through Palestine in the 1940s. Were anyone to dispute that Lehi was a terrorist group, Shamir proudly affirmed that particular description in a 1943 article he wrote entitled “Terror.” Shamir wrote, “First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today, and its task is a major one: it demonstrates in the clearest language, heard throughout the world by our unfortunate brethren outside the gates of this country, our war against the occupier.....” The Zionist terror campaign of Plan Dalet, put into effect in early 1948 and described by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, consisted of “large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding population centres; setting fires to homes, properties, and goods; expulsion; demolition; and finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning.”
    You see, Israelis have a profound and emphatic understanding of ISIS

    , @Greg Bacon
    It's difficult to defeat an enemy like ISIS when they have an unlimited supply of Saudi money; an unlimited supply of US weapons and get freshly trained recruits poured into battle from Jordan and Turkey.
    And US air support.
    , @ka
    other 2 have replied cogently .I will add a few -1st Hizbollah is not going to tie all its fighters to this fight and make itself vulnerable to an Israeli attack
    2 Israel-Lebaon was a localized fight and Israel was not interested to blow themselves up like ISIS does . Because that blowing up still wouldn't have secured Israel victory but would have prolonged the war with more losses for both sides .
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  49. MEexpert says:
    @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    Obviously, Sean is an Israeli Kool-Aid drinker who makes such idiotic comments. When did Assads (sic) become involve in Iraq? McMaster was in Iraq not in Syria. First, Americans are the outsiders who invaded Iraq. Any Iraqi retaliating against this invasion is a patriot, not a terrorist. Just as Hezbollah resistance fighters defending against the invading Israelis are not terrorists.

    Furthermore, Al-Qaeda and ISIS are the terrorists that did most of the killing of the American soldiers. Iraqi army and the Shia militias backed up by Iran are fighting these terrorists alongside the Americans. And in Syria, it is the Americans that are fighting alongside the terrorists against the Assad regime. It is the Americans that are bombing Syrian army and the civilians. It is the Americans that are supplying weapons to the terrorists in Syria.

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    There were mass popular demonstrations in Syria that Assad's 80% Alawite officered army opened fire on.That started a popular uprising, which managed to push Assad's army out by sheer force of numbers. But they were left completely un-armed by America. The proof of that is the Assad regieme and its RUSSIAN overlord are still bombing areas held by Syrian rebels) with impunity, because the rebel majority have no anti aircraft weapons at all.Heard of Stingers in Afghanistan have we? The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.
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  50. MEexpert says:

    Check this link out on Trump’s visit to Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1335329/trump-in-saudi-arabia-a-fly-on-the-wall-review

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  51. annamaria says:
    @anon
    ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force. 5 + years and the combined forced of Great and Mighty Russia , Noble and Just Iran , Regal and moral Syria and of course king of kings Hezbollah still have not defeated them.

    I mean really, Hezbollas 5th rate soldiers routed Israel in days , but even with the help of Russia , Iran and Syria Hezbollah still hasnt beaten the goat boys in 5 years of fighting . Lets hear the caveats and excuses Shamir.

    “ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force…”
    Well. Some of them did receive a superb training (do you remember “moderate jihadis” trained by the CIA?) plus they have got a lot of weaponry (the US brass cannot account for a large amount of weaponry, in the billions of dollars; guess where and in whose hands the weaponry has been used…) Then there is the Nato member Turkey and the monarchs of Saudi and Qatar, which have also suppled ISIS with money and weaponry (with a tacit approval from Israel and the US). Throughout the five years of fighting the US/NATO/Israel and their bosom buddies the royal wahhabists (and their proxies) have been invading various regions of the sovereign state of Syria thus supporting the ISIS’ aspirations re islamic state at the heart of Syria. Israelis have been soundly for the same outcome and they even provided material and medical support to ISIS “freedom fighters.”

    As for the memory of Shamir, it is not particularly nice: https://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/02/yitzhak-shamir-the-well-liked-terrorist/
    “Sometimes terrible people live long lives. Such is the case with Icchak Yezernitsky, a Russian-born racist, terrorist and eager ethnic cleanser who is better known to the world as former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. Shamir died on June 30 at a Tel Aviv nursing home from Alzheimer’s Disease at the ripe old age of 96. One can only wonder if he had forgotten all the war crimes he committed.
    Shamir was one of the leaders of Lehi (also known as The Stern Gang), a Zionist terrorist militia which rampaged through Palestine in the 1940s. Were anyone to dispute that Lehi was a terrorist group, Shamir proudly affirmed that particular description in a 1943 article he wrote entitled “Terror.” Shamir wrote, “First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today, and its task is a major one: it demonstrates in the clearest language, heard throughout the world by our unfortunate brethren outside the gates of this country, our war against the occupier…..” The Zionist terror campaign of Plan Dalet, put into effect in early 1948 and described by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, consisted of “large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding population centres; setting fires to homes, properties, and goods; expulsion; demolition; and finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning.”
    You see, Israelis have a profound and emphatic understanding of ISIS

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    Nice word salad. You seem like totally normal person !!!!
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  52. “This is just a re-heated version of the “brilliant” Brzezinski plan on how to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.”

    Now may be roasting on a spit, hopefully not in the environs where any of present company might end up.

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  53. @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    Sean:
    That has to be one of the most contradictory, senseless, and poorly argued anti-Syrian posts I have read to date on this website. Sean, you are either a poorly performing troll or tied and gagged to a chair in some dungeon, forced to watch CNN 24/7. But even that fails to explain your geopolitical views. Wow!

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    McMaster and Flynn are in a better position to know than me, perhaps even you.
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  54. @Robert Magill
    Three pictures will do more to unite the Takfiris than anything that has happened in the last 500 years.
    1. The Trump women uncovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Followed soon after by 2., Trump in yarmulka praying at the Wall and then
    3. the women with heads covered at the Vatican.
    For spice, throw in 4., the sword dance and every jihadi on earth will be grinding his teeth.
    Our guy has really done it now. Those pictures will adorn a million walls as jihad icons henceforth.
    My advice. Invade Pakistan tomorrow and seize the nukes. Apologize and leave a check.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Indeed yet the USA will keep on clandestinely supporting them and allowing them to come live with them as refugees as well. Many of those “Refugees” are actually Takfiris running away from a losing war.

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  55. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @annamaria
    "ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force..."
    Well. Some of them did receive a superb training (do you remember "moderate jihadis" trained by the CIA?) plus they have got a lot of weaponry (the US brass cannot account for a large amount of weaponry, in the billions of dollars; guess where and in whose hands the weaponry has been used...) Then there is the Nato member Turkey and the monarchs of Saudi and Qatar, which have also suppled ISIS with money and weaponry (with a tacit approval from Israel and the US). Throughout the five years of fighting the US/NATO/Israel and their bosom buddies the royal wahhabists (and their proxies) have been invading various regions of the sovereign state of Syria thus supporting the ISIS' aspirations re islamic state at the heart of Syria. Israelis have been soundly for the same outcome and they even provided material and medical support to ISIS "freedom fighters."

    As for the memory of Shamir, it is not particularly nice: https://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/02/yitzhak-shamir-the-well-liked-terrorist/
    "Sometimes terrible people live long lives. Such is the case with Icchak Yezernitsky, a Russian-born racist, terrorist and eager ethnic cleanser who is better known to the world as former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. Shamir died on June 30 at a Tel Aviv nursing home from Alzheimer’s Disease at the ripe old age of 96. One can only wonder if he had forgotten all the war crimes he committed.
    Shamir was one of the leaders of Lehi (also known as The Stern Gang), a Zionist terrorist militia which rampaged through Palestine in the 1940s. Were anyone to dispute that Lehi was a terrorist group, Shamir proudly affirmed that particular description in a 1943 article he wrote entitled “Terror.” Shamir wrote, “First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today, and its task is a major one: it demonstrates in the clearest language, heard throughout the world by our unfortunate brethren outside the gates of this country, our war against the occupier.....” The Zionist terror campaign of Plan Dalet, put into effect in early 1948 and described by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, consisted of “large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding population centres; setting fires to homes, properties, and goods; expulsion; demolition; and finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning.”
    You see, Israelis have a profound and emphatic understanding of ISIS

    Nice word salad. You seem like totally normal person !!!!

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    You mean, the apologia of terrorism by Shamir is perfectly normal?
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  56. Krollchem says:
    @wj
    The USS Liberty? Don't you know that even mentioning the USS Liberty attack is akin to Nazism?
    You are truly an anti-semite if you bring the prolonged bombardment of US vessel by an alleged ally.

    Yes, I understand that it swill soon be a criminal offense. Such transgressions would be handled in a FISA court star chamber arrest and no jury trial.

    Isn’t democracy wonderful…

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  57. JGarbo says:
    @Kirt
    On the plus side, the collapse of US power and influence in the world will be good for both the US and the rest of the world - unless the rulers are crazy enough to try a nuclear first strike against Russia and China.

    Fortunately, the launch codes require at least one sane person to agree. I’m counting on one person who knows the consequences of a nuclear attack to step in and stop the other idiot(s). And we’re assuming that the nukes still work. After watching a show on US nuclear readiness I have my doubts.

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    In the next 4-8 years it won't be the United States that might start a war with Russia.

    It will be France and Germany. That's what Merkels "Europe must go its own way" stuff (no doubt put into her mouth by one of the puppeteers) was all about. The Globalist psychos have got Merkel and Macron to do their bidding now.
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  58. JGarbo says:

    Correction of Youtube error – hilarious yet alarming
    Fortunately, the launch codes require at least one sane person to agree. I’m counting on one person who knows the consequences of a nuclear attack to step in and stop the other idiot(s). And we’re assuming that the nukes still work. After watching a show on US nuclear readiness I have my doubts.

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    US military leaders have rejected the nuclear winter studies and actually think they can win a nuclear war:
    US leaders have rejected the nuclear winter studies and think they can win a nuclear war:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/nuclear-winter-turning-a-blind-eye-towards-armageddon-scientists-warn-of-the-existential-danger-of-nuclear-war/5554221

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/sauron-rules-in-washington-neocons-firmly-believe-they-can-win-a-nuclear-war-against-russia-and-china/5588846

    Furthermore, tactical nuclear weapons (B61/11) can be used without Presidential authorization:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangers-of-nuclear-war/5422597
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  59. Ooo la la says:

    Stopped reading when this shill called Iran a democracy.

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  60. Junior says:
    @annamaria
    Somehow you have not noticed that Syria is a sovereign state with the well-defined borders, which Syrian government must protect from intruders, including the US/UK/Golfies-sponsored terrorists and other McMaster's "men." In comparison, the mythology-based upstart avoids to define its borders (to make the illegal annexations easier and to proceed with Oded Yinon barbaric plan), while demanding from the west a recognition of its very special victimhood and very special moral superiority.
    As for Saudis - thank you, but the readers are already aware that Israel cooperates cordially with the wahhabists. It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS "freedom fighters."

    It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS “freedom fighters.”

    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.

    Last month in the Times Of Israel an Israeli Ex-Defense Minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said ISIS has apologized to the State of Israel for attacking Israeli’s by mistake in November. These lunatics in ISIS have been running around chopping the goddamn heads off of EVERYBODY they can get their goddamn hands on, EXCEPT for Israel. Israel gets an apology. When has anyone in their life EVER heard of ISIS apologizing to ANYBODY?! Proof positive of just what the hell is going on over there. Apparently ISIS didn’t want to upset their bosses.

    Mossad: What are you doing you schmucks?! Those were Israeli’s you attacked in Sector 5!

    ISIS: Sector 5?! I thought you said they were in Sector 6! I’m so sorry, Boss. It won’t happen again.

    Mossad: It better not or we’re gonna stop treating you guys in our hospitals! What do you think we helped the MI6 and the CIA create you for nothing?! This is completely unacceptable.

    ISIS: Don’t worry, Boss. We’ll have those Americans over here fighting your wars for you in no time! First in Syria then in Iran, right Boss?

    Mossad: That’s right, Buddy. Syria then Iran. That’s the plan. That’s. The. Plan.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/

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    As far as I am aware, ISIS was created by US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam's military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Threausury. The Sunni insurgency stopped attacking US troops in Iraq and used the money as a seed capital to start establishing the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. After the seed capital, the sources of financing became the Saudis, stealing, racketeering and the sales of stolen oil.

    Whether ISIS got any help from Mossad, CIA and MI6 is not provable, as it should not be, but it is clear that these organisations were helping out and IDF and Pentagon were not far behind. USAF has been hitting some marginal ISIS targets and making the usual loud media fuss about it, but it was not before the Russians cut oil selling that anybody hurt ISIS seriously. There is a famous online video of ISIS brand new white Toyota pick ups moving through the desert under the protection of Apache helicopters.

    Some enemies.
    , @RobinG
    This OAN video you posted at the Tyler Durden stub (Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails with WikiLeaks: Report) is super. Thanks for finding it, Junior!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomLn6gut7E
    OAN OFFERS $250,000 FOR INFORMATION ON SETH RICH'S MURDER

    One might be a little curious where Herring Networks, Inc. gets its funding, but it’s a much needed antidote to the prevailing Russia-bashing nonsense. I hope OAN News gets more exposure (even though it's always possible that they’re just another arm of the Deep State, a conservative version of the limited hangout so common on the left, like Democracy [i.e. Imperialism] Now).

    The Useful Idiots will be out in force this week (as they have been since the Giant Pussy March). The June 3rd “March for Truth” – a big one in DC and many others all around the country – states as its purpose,

    DEMONSTRATIONS TO CALL FOR URGENT INVESTIGATIONS INTO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE US ELECTION AND TIES TO DONALD TRUMP, HIS ADMINISTRATION AND HIS ASSOCIATES
    https://www.marchfortruth.info
     
    I’d love to see counter-demonstrators…

    WHO KILLED SETH RICH
    AND WHY ?
     
    Hopefully not as violent as Antifa vs. BasedStickman, but a good confrontation is in order. Why aren’t they (the Lib-Dem-Progs.) criticizing Trump for his real crimes, the illegal and unconstitutional attacks on the sovereign gov’t of Syria, and the huge sale of weapons which will likely find their way to terrorist hands! They hate Trump, but they love war. They just wanted their Big Vagina commanding the mayhem.
    , @MEexpert

    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.
     
    Not just Israel but Saudi Arabia as well. How many times has ISIS attacked Saudi Arabia? The only token attacks that have taken place in Saudi Arabia were in the eastern province where the Shias live. No attack in Riyadh, or for that matter in Abu Dhabi or Dubai. UAE is also part of Saudi-Israeli partnership.
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  61. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    NONE of this US/SA/Israel madness will stop until we know the TRUTH about 9/11.

    9/11 was an Israeli masterminded False Flag with help from traitors in the WH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBA and NSA. With generous help from the Lying MSM.

    http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch11_en.html

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  62. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @anon
    ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force. 5 + years and the combined forced of Great and Mighty Russia , Noble and Just Iran , Regal and moral Syria and of course king of kings Hezbollah still have not defeated them.

    I mean really, Hezbollas 5th rate soldiers routed Israel in days , but even with the help of Russia , Iran and Syria Hezbollah still hasnt beaten the goat boys in 5 years of fighting . Lets hear the caveats and excuses Shamir.

    It’s difficult to defeat an enemy like ISIS when they have an unlimited supply of Saudi money; an unlimited supply of US weapons and get freshly trained recruits poured into battle from Jordan and Turkey.
    And US air support.

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    The US has utterly debased itself in Syria. Everything we have done there is founded on lies.
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  63. @Sean
    AlanDershowitz is defending Trump and saying that the Reagan camp had contacts with Iran that parallel what he and apparently his son in law did with Russia . Hopefully Trump has learned that the Russia needs to be handled very carefully and preferable by professional diplomats, not people who own a billboard in Times Square.

    Trump cannot do anything about Ukraine, because it is a essential interest of Russia. Syria is maybe not (note that Russia only got involved after Obama decline to bomb Assad). So there has to be diplomacy to find out what Russia will settle for, in return for US technology. Trump has made a mistake in trying to go straight to a deal with the Chinese and the Russians, especially the latter . He should use the diplomatic expertise of his State department and discover what China and Russia will give to gain access to US technology and market. Slow but sure.

    Israel could have overthrown Assad at any time since the begining of the uprising against his minority based hereditary dictatorship, by merely staging a build up on the Golan, which Syria would have to transfer its army to, thereby leaving the uprising alone. Israel couldn't care less about the third world country that is a certain second and soon to be third rate superpower's only ally left. Syria as threat to Israel is a joke.

    Some reality therapy over all the religious extremism crap: the natural enemy is the near neighbour. The greatest enemy of the Assad regieme is Jordan, not Saudi Arabia. The Assads fomented trouble in neighbouring Arab countries, they7 assassinated Lebanese politicians with monotonous regularity, tried to assassinate the Jordanian PM, and also funneled terrorists into Iraq. Both Syria and Iran facilitated terror attacks against US troops in Iraq. Did they expect a pat on the back?


    The toughest posting for an American officer in the early years of the Iraq conflict was Tal Afar, a small scrubland town close to the Syrian border dominated by a castle and held by Islamist extremists. Lieutenant-General HR McMaster, Donald Trump’s national security adviser, who was pivotal in the decision to attack a Syrian airbase on Friday, was deployed to Tal Afar in spring 2005 – and it was to be the making of him.

    Tal Afar, held by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) at present, was at the time in the hands of several extremist groups, including Isis’s predecessor, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq. McMaster, then a colonel and an unorthodox military thinker, made a point of immersing himself in Iraqi culture, winning over the local police and portraying the US army not as an occupier, but a protector of the town’s 150,000 inhabitants. [...]
    The list of names on a memorial in the middle of the base testified to the high casualty rate among his Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment.
     

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.

    As a Middle East insider, in as much as I find The Saker’s article as hitting the nail on the head, I find your reasoning to perfectly reflect the American mainstream media’s heroes such as the New York Slimes, the Cartoon News Network, the Washington Compost, The Wall Street Urinal et al.
    Expressing admiration for those in the military such as Mc Master is the typical mental deficiency that rewards a stooge for a job well done in the service of his nefarious masters. Mc Master is a neocon stooge whom we should never compare to General Patton who defended his moral principles at the expense of losing his life in defiance of the powers that be ( unless we believe the official story of Patton having died in a accident with his Jeep running at 30 miles an hour).

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  65. annamaria says:
    @anon
    Nice word salad. You seem like totally normal person !!!!

    You mean, the apologia of terrorism by Shamir is perfectly normal?

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  66. ka says:
    @anon
    ISIS must be the worlds top fighting force. 5 + years and the combined forced of Great and Mighty Russia , Noble and Just Iran , Regal and moral Syria and of course king of kings Hezbollah still have not defeated them.

    I mean really, Hezbollas 5th rate soldiers routed Israel in days , but even with the help of Russia , Iran and Syria Hezbollah still hasnt beaten the goat boys in 5 years of fighting . Lets hear the caveats and excuses Shamir.

    other 2 have replied cogently .I will add a few -1st Hizbollah is not going to tie all its fighters to this fight and make itself vulnerable to an Israeli attack
    2 Israel-Lebaon was a localized fight and Israel was not interested to blow themselves up like ISIS does . Because that blowing up still wouldn’t have secured Israel victory but would have prolonged the war with more losses for both sides .

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  67. Thank God Trump won’t be dancing with this huge PoS. Despite all the bad news, here’s a cause for celebration…though it’s about 89 years too late.:

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, died Friday at a hospital in Virginia at the age of 89.

    As the New York Times explains, Brzezinski’s “rigid hatred of the Soviet Union” guided much of America’s foreign policy “for better or worse.” From the Times:
    “He supported billions in military aid for Islamic militants fighting invading Soviet troops in Afghanistan. He tacitly encouraged China to continue backing the murderous regime of Pol Pot in Cambodia, lest the Soviet-backed Vietnamese take over that country.” [emphasis added]

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/no_author/real-story-zbigniew-brzezinski/

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    I would call Zbig the creator of Al-qaeda, or at least their godfather. If there is Al-qaeda heaven than I hope the Polak degenerate made it there and is getting a reception with 72 (male) Al-qaeda virgins. I hope he receives the full Gaddafi treatment topped by a grand finale of a foot worth of broom stick up his a**. Here is the Polak degenerate inciting religious hatred against the USSR. Let’s say he is correct about “God being with them” in their war against the USSR. My question to him would have been - on whose side was God on 9/11? Was it still “on their side”, or did God suddenly switch sides?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0

    , @L.K
    AL-CIADA'S daddy; yep, most folks would think Bin Laden, but it is really this guy!
    May he rot in hell.
    Psssst, don't tell Derbyshire that...
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  68. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Americans aren’t dhimmis-yet. If those women didn’t feel like obeying the dictates of someone else’s religion then that’s their right. Muslims wear their garb and follow Islamic practices in the western countries. That’s a slap in our face isn’t it? Some good examples could cause women in the Islamic world to understand that there might be other ways of living in the world out there. Since that country is “steeped” in an uncivilized ideology there’s even less motivation to knuckle under to that. Insofar as NATO is concerned their general uselessness for any real, major conflict is a good thing from their point of view. Were they to actually have any great capability then the US would try to use them as cannon fodder for the US’s own purposes. This is their defense against that. It’s the value of being valueless. Everybody’s trying to exploit someone else.
    Reality has a weight of it’s own and the capability of the US to act as it may against countries such as Russia and DPRK will show what the limits are in reality, not fantasies of greatness.

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    That’s a slap in our face isn’t it?
     
    You mean it is better to run around, fully or half, naked then, heaven forbid, fully clothed and wearing a scarf.

    Tell me what happened when they went to Israel and Rome. Why did Trump (he is not Jewish)wear Kipa on his head in Israel and Ivonka wore a scarf in front of the Pope? Ivonka is not catholic. Oh, no wait. That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.
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  69. Kiza says:
    @Johan nagel
    I'm aware of his origins, and am a great fan of his writing, especially his military focus.

    Yet Europe is not comprised solely of switzerland. I cannot or speak of the Spanish with any authority as I have never lived there, the same I could say of all other european countries other than England. Whilst I have spent time across Europe and met many Europeans it is wrong for me to comment on the Europeans en masse, as one people, with one government, one army, one voice, one set of hopes and fears. One of the finest elements of Europe is the huge contrasts between cultures which lie and exist within miles of each other.

    There is also more power in the British forces than merely the secret services. They have assisted the US in destroying Libya, Syria, Iraq and launching a military coup in Ukraine. Their record seems pretty good for what it sets out to do. Regardless of their real position as foot soldiers for Death Inc.

    There is a tendency for those writing in a markedly anti-establishment manner to be beyond criticism. This should never be the case.

    And you missed my point of Corbyn. It's the fact that he has even found himself a contender that is remarkable and deserves praise and should be celebrated. It confirms that at least in England, there remains grit and spirit in the people...Sanders appeared to have some decency, yet he remained a stooge to certain powers hellbent on mass carnage. Some hope is better than no hope.

    It is interesting to me that your thoughts about Corbyn are the same as mine, whilst I am not British. He has survived so many challenges by the Blairites (possibly even sleazier bunch than DNC in US).

    Regarding the difference of the British, it is Corbyn and Farage/Brexit that show that. There is no similarity with any other EU country, just look at the shame of the French and the Germans, which as countries (not individuals) are political Eurotrash because they are so easily manipulated. One possible explanation is that because the British Deep State has been so successful in mischief, as you correctly describe, the British are a little more politically mature, aware and resistant. The British did get 2M people out on the street before the aggression on Iraq. This did not change anything directly, but it does come back in the roundabout ways.

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    Well put. I am glad that others can avoid lumping together the europeans as one entity. England is the only country where I have seen hints of independence, which hasnt achieved much other than an amping up of efforts to co-opt and divert, yet it has shown there is mass dissent, focusable mass rejection of not just the political system but war. We approach a critical time when that either becomes nourished and collected or stifled and dissected/ co-opted.

    Its great to see and yet absent of finding the same mirrored in the US or other European countries it is painfully fragile.

    I wrote a potential route towards rebellion back home...
    http://thedissolutefox.com/gems-in-the-mega-rough-vol-xixxixix-echoes-from-the-socially-aware/
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  70. Kiza says:
    @Junior

    It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS “freedom fighters.”
     
    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.

    Last month in the Times Of Israel an Israeli Ex-Defense Minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said ISIS has apologized to the State of Israel for attacking Israeli's by mistake in November. These lunatics in ISIS have been running around chopping the goddamn heads off of EVERYBODY they can get their goddamn hands on, EXCEPT for Israel. Israel gets an apology. When has anyone in their life EVER heard of ISIS apologizing to ANYBODY?! Proof positive of just what the hell is going on over there. Apparently ISIS didn't want to upset their bosses.

    Mossad: What are you doing you schmucks?! Those were Israeli's you attacked in Sector 5!

    ISIS: Sector 5?! I thought you said they were in Sector 6! I'm so sorry, Boss. It won't happen again.

    Mossad: It better not or we're gonna stop treating you guys in our hospitals! What do you think we helped the MI6 and the CIA create you for nothing?! This is completely unacceptable.

    ISIS: Don't worry, Boss. We'll have those Americans over here fighting your wars for you in no time! First in Syria then in Iran, right Boss?

    Mossad: That's right, Buddy. Syria then Iran. That's the plan. That's. The. Plan.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/

    As far as I am aware, ISIS was created by US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam’s military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Threausury. The Sunni insurgency stopped attacking US troops in Iraq and used the money as a seed capital to start establishing the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. After the seed capital, the sources of financing became the Saudis, stealing, racketeering and the sales of stolen oil.

    Whether ISIS got any help from Mossad, CIA and MI6 is not provable, as it should not be, but it is clear that these organisations were helping out and IDF and Pentagon were not far behind. USAF has been hitting some marginal ISIS targets and making the usual loud media fuss about it, but it was not before the Russians cut oil selling that anybody hurt ISIS seriously. There is a famous online video of ISIS brand new white Toyota pick ups moving through the desert under the protection of Apache helicopters.

    Some enemies.

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    There is no one singular figure . There is no one point in time . A swamp does allow the germination of many ideas . Like pharmaceuticals companies those ideas are not discarded after a failed trials but are shelved for future or marketed with another product despite questionable possibility of success .

    Syria was under the microscope from the very moment of 911 strikes . It was postponed but never discarded . Direct fight became impossible after the quagmire in Iraq . Harriri assassination did not pay off . Israel - Lebanon fight also prevented any extension of the war to Syria but also caused panick in Tel Aviv and DC . They needed excuses , alilby , deniability, escape goat and cannon fiddlers .

    Plan was afoot from 2005 as documented by French FM ,by Sy Hersh ,by RAND coproration( 2006) and by the 2012 Intrlligence memo . The plan was to recruit the disaffected and unleash Salvodirian Option and make the regional allies pay for it and also be blamed if necessary .

    , @utu
    US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam’s military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Treasury

    I am sure they had money there. During Paul Bremer (2004) rule they brought 360 tons of $100 bills. The last shipment requested by Bremer just few weeks before hading over power to Iraqis was refused. Most of it is unaccounted.

    Petraeus started his counter insurgency program in 2007. Supposedly they were paying insurgents $16 million per month. Which is not very much.

    What happened to $12 billions? Supposedly for high and mid ranking US officers at that time the only problem was how to bring back the cash home because laying hands on the cash was easy.
    , @Ace
    There was discussion about the chopper in the comments on one site that published that video. There was seeming informed opinion that it was not an Apache but a Soviet model. To my eye also it did not appear to be an Apache.

    Still, I cannot think of any other entity that would provide such air cover. The US had the capability to detect that and other convoys and did nothing, as we have also seen with ISIS oil trucks. It doesn't require much of a leap to posit active US protection, though from whom is another question.
    , @Ace
    @2:52 and earlier:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KFFb5E22TvE

    Still, very indistinct images.
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  71. KA says:
    @Kiza
    As far as I am aware, ISIS was created by US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam's military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Threausury. The Sunni insurgency stopped attacking US troops in Iraq and used the money as a seed capital to start establishing the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. After the seed capital, the sources of financing became the Saudis, stealing, racketeering and the sales of stolen oil.

    Whether ISIS got any help from Mossad, CIA and MI6 is not provable, as it should not be, but it is clear that these organisations were helping out and IDF and Pentagon were not far behind. USAF has been hitting some marginal ISIS targets and making the usual loud media fuss about it, but it was not before the Russians cut oil selling that anybody hurt ISIS seriously. There is a famous online video of ISIS brand new white Toyota pick ups moving through the desert under the protection of Apache helicopters.

    Some enemies.

    There is no one singular figure . There is no one point in time . A swamp does allow the germination of many ideas . Like pharmaceuticals companies those ideas are not discarded after a failed trials but are shelved for future or marketed with another product despite questionable possibility of success .

    Syria was under the microscope from the very moment of 911 strikes . It was postponed but never discarded . Direct fight became impossible after the quagmire in Iraq . Harriri assassination did not pay off . Israel – Lebanon fight also prevented any extension of the war to Syria but also caused panick in Tel Aviv and DC . They needed excuses , alilby , deniability, escape goat and cannon fiddlers .

    Plan was afoot from 2005 as documented by French FM ,by Sy Hersh ,by RAND coproration( 2006) and by the 2012 Intrlligence memo . The plan was to recruit the disaffected and unleash Salvodirian Option and make the regional allies pay for it and also be blamed if necessary .

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  72. utu says:
    @Kiza
    As far as I am aware, ISIS was created by US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam's military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Threausury. The Sunni insurgency stopped attacking US troops in Iraq and used the money as a seed capital to start establishing the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. After the seed capital, the sources of financing became the Saudis, stealing, racketeering and the sales of stolen oil.

    Whether ISIS got any help from Mossad, CIA and MI6 is not provable, as it should not be, but it is clear that these organisations were helping out and IDF and Pentagon were not far behind. USAF has been hitting some marginal ISIS targets and making the usual loud media fuss about it, but it was not before the Russians cut oil selling that anybody hurt ISIS seriously. There is a famous online video of ISIS brand new white Toyota pick ups moving through the desert under the protection of Apache helicopters.

    Some enemies.

    US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam’s military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Treasury

    I am sure they had money there. During Paul Bremer (2004) rule they brought 360 tons of $100 bills. The last shipment requested by Bremer just few weeks before hading over power to Iraqis was refused. Most of it is unaccounted.

    Petraeus started his counter insurgency program in 2007. Supposedly they were paying insurgents $16 million per month. Which is not very much.

    What happened to $12 billions? Supposedly for high and mid ranking US officers at that time the only problem was how to bring back the cash home because laying hands on the cash was easy.

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    The Petreus strategy was: after killing parts of their extended family and then sacking them from their jobs, you start paying the former Saddam's military officers not to attack you, which obviously buys you their loyalty only temporarily. For the amounts you would have to believe the people who promoted the Iraqi WMD.

    This fine strategy reminds me of another well tried and tested EU strategy: after obliterating their families you invite them into your country, give them passports and leave them without a job, with plenty of time whilst living on social assistance to plot murder and mayhem against you.

    In both case the blowback is a rule, not an exception, but someone else later picks up the tab. It appears that anti-terrorism will be a good business to be in for the next 200 years or so.

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  73. Cyrano says:
    @jacques sheete
    Thank God Trump won't be dancing with this huge PoS. Despite all the bad news, here's a cause for celebration...though it's about 89 years too late.:

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, died Friday at a hospital in Virginia at the age of 89.

    As the New York Times explains, Brzezinski’s “rigid hatred of the Soviet Union” guided much of America’s foreign policy “for better or worse.” From the Times:
    “He supported billions in military aid for Islamic militants fighting invading Soviet troops in Afghanistan. He tacitly encouraged China to continue backing the murderous regime of Pol Pot in Cambodia, lest the Soviet-backed Vietnamese take over that country.” [emphasis added]


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/no_author/real-story-zbigniew-brzezinski/

     

    I would call Zbig the creator of Al-qaeda, or at least their godfather. If there is Al-qaeda heaven than I hope the Polak degenerate made it there and is getting a reception with 72 (male) Al-qaeda virgins. I hope he receives the full Gaddafi treatment topped by a grand finale of a foot worth of broom stick up his a**. Here is the Polak degenerate inciting religious hatred against the USSR. Let’s say he is correct about “God being with them” in their war against the USSR. My question to him would have been – on whose side was God on 9/11? Was it still “on their side”, or did God suddenly switch sides?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0

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    I do not understand why Zbig is called anti-USSR when he was simply anti-Russian as any good Polish/Galician nationalist/Nazi. Are we adopting the former phraseology of the US Empire, that one of The Jew Pork Slimes? Otherwise, a great dream you have and we all share it now.
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  74. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete
    Thank God Trump won't be dancing with this huge PoS. Despite all the bad news, here's a cause for celebration...though it's about 89 years too late.:

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, died Friday at a hospital in Virginia at the age of 89.

    As the New York Times explains, Brzezinski’s “rigid hatred of the Soviet Union” guided much of America’s foreign policy “for better or worse.” From the Times:
    “He supported billions in military aid for Islamic militants fighting invading Soviet troops in Afghanistan. He tacitly encouraged China to continue backing the murderous regime of Pol Pot in Cambodia, lest the Soviet-backed Vietnamese take over that country.” [emphasis added]


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/05/no_author/real-story-zbigniew-brzezinski/

     

    AL-CIADA’S daddy; yep, most folks would think Bin Laden, but it is really this guy!
    May he rot in hell.
    Psssst, don’t tell Derbyshire that…

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  75. HBM says:
    @Philip Owen
    Obaama was halted from bombing Assad by a vote in the British Parliament.

    I thought he was halted by Putin who could prove that Kerry was full of shit.

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  76. HBM says:
    @JGarbo
    Fortunately, the launch codes require at least one sane person to agree. I'm counting on one person who knows the consequences of a nuclear attack to step in and stop the other idiot(s). And we're assuming that the nukes still work. After watching a show on US nuclear readiness I have my doubts.
    https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g?list=UU3XTzVzaHQEd30rQbuvCtTQ

    In the next 4-8 years it won’t be the United States that might start a war with Russia.

    It will be France and Germany. That’s what Merkels “Europe must go its own way” stuff (no doubt put into her mouth by one of the puppeteers) was all about. The Globalist psychos have got Merkel and Macron to do their bidding now.

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  77. Kiza says:
    @Cyrano
    I would call Zbig the creator of Al-qaeda, or at least their godfather. If there is Al-qaeda heaven than I hope the Polak degenerate made it there and is getting a reception with 72 (male) Al-qaeda virgins. I hope he receives the full Gaddafi treatment topped by a grand finale of a foot worth of broom stick up his a**. Here is the Polak degenerate inciting religious hatred against the USSR. Let’s say he is correct about “God being with them” in their war against the USSR. My question to him would have been - on whose side was God on 9/11? Was it still “on their side”, or did God suddenly switch sides?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0

    I do not understand why Zbig is called anti-USSR when he was simply anti-Russian as any good Polish/Galician nationalist/Nazi. Are we adopting the former phraseology of the US Empire, that one of The Jew Pork Slimes? Otherwise, a great dream you have and we all share it now.

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    You’re right. Brzezinski was primarily anti-Russian, not anti-USSR. He thought it’s his duty as a Polak and catholic to be so. I find it funny that he is been referred to as “intellectual”. Now there are two things that don’t go well in a same sentence: Polak and Intellectual. It’s a contradiction in terms if there ever was one. The primary motivator of Polaks hatred for Russia is their fanaticism about their religion – in this they are very similar to the ones that Zbig was trying to inspire with his “fiery oratory” in that clip. It is never good to draw all of your inspiration for all of your actions from your religion. It’s a definition of a fanatic.
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  78. Kiza says:
    @utu
    US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam’s military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Treasury

    I am sure they had money there. During Paul Bremer (2004) rule they brought 360 tons of $100 bills. The last shipment requested by Bremer just few weeks before hading over power to Iraqis was refused. Most of it is unaccounted.

    Petraeus started his counter insurgency program in 2007. Supposedly they were paying insurgents $16 million per month. Which is not very much.

    What happened to $12 billions? Supposedly for high and mid ranking US officers at that time the only problem was how to bring back the cash home because laying hands on the cash was easy.

    The Petreus strategy was: after killing parts of their extended family and then sacking them from their jobs, you start paying the former Saddam’s military officers not to attack you, which obviously buys you their loyalty only temporarily. For the amounts you would have to believe the people who promoted the Iraqi WMD.

    This fine strategy reminds me of another well tried and tested EU strategy: after obliterating their families you invite them into your country, give them passports and leave them without a job, with plenty of time whilst living on social assistance to plot murder and mayhem against you.

    In both case the blowback is a rule, not an exception, but someone else later picks up the tab. It appears that anti-terrorism will be a good business to be in for the next 200 years or so.

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  79. Cyrano says:
    @Kiza
    I do not understand why Zbig is called anti-USSR when he was simply anti-Russian as any good Polish/Galician nationalist/Nazi. Are we adopting the former phraseology of the US Empire, that one of The Jew Pork Slimes? Otherwise, a great dream you have and we all share it now.

    You’re right. Brzezinski was primarily anti-Russian, not anti-USSR. He thought it’s his duty as a Polak and catholic to be so. I find it funny that he is been referred to as “intellectual”. Now there are two things that don’t go well in a same sentence: Polak and Intellectual. It’s a contradiction in terms if there ever was one. The primary motivator of Polaks hatred for Russia is their fanaticism about their religion – in this they are very similar to the ones that Zbig was trying to inspire with his “fiery oratory” in that clip. It is never good to draw all of your inspiration for all of your actions from your religion. It’s a definition of a fanatic.

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  80. krollchem says:
    @JGarbo
    Correction of Youtube error - hilarious yet alarming
    Fortunately, the launch codes require at least one sane person to agree. I’m counting on one person who knows the consequences of a nuclear attack to step in and stop the other idiot(s). And we’re assuming that the nukes still work. After watching a show on US nuclear readiness I have my doubts.

    https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g?list=UU3XTzVzaHQEd30rQbuvCtTQ

    US military leaders have rejected the nuclear winter studies and actually think they can win a nuclear war:
    US leaders have rejected the nuclear winter studies and think they can win a nuclear war:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/nuclear-winter-turning-a-blind-eye-towards-armageddon-scientists-warn-of-the-existential-danger-of-nuclear-war/5554221

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/sauron-rules-in-washington-neocons-firmly-believe-they-can-win-a-nuclear-war-against-russia-and-china/5588846

    Furthermore, tactical nuclear weapons (B61/11) can be used without Presidential authorization:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangers-of-nuclear-war/5422597

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  81. Johan nagel says: • Website
    @Kiza
    It is interesting to me that your thoughts about Corbyn are the same as mine, whilst I am not British. He has survived so many challenges by the Blairites (possibly even sleazier bunch than DNC in US).

    Regarding the difference of the British, it is Corbyn and Farage/Brexit that show that. There is no similarity with any other EU country, just look at the shame of the French and the Germans, which as countries (not individuals) are political Eurotrash because they are so easily manipulated. One possible explanation is that because the British Deep State has been so successful in mischief, as you correctly describe, the British are a little more politically mature, aware and resistant. The British did get 2M people out on the street before the aggression on Iraq. This did not change anything directly, but it does come back in the roundabout ways.

    Well put. I am glad that others can avoid lumping together the europeans as one entity. England is the only country where I have seen hints of independence, which hasnt achieved much other than an amping up of efforts to co-opt and divert, yet it has shown there is mass dissent, focusable mass rejection of not just the political system but war. We approach a critical time when that either becomes nourished and collected or stifled and dissected/ co-opted.

    Its great to see and yet absent of finding the same mirrored in the US or other European countries it is painfully fragile.

    I wrote a potential route towards rebellion back home…

    http://thedissolutefox.com/gems-in-the-mega-rough-vol-xixxixix-echoes-from-the-socially-aware/

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  82. […] article was first published by Unz Review […]

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  83. RobinG says:
    @Junior

    It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS “freedom fighters.”
     
    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.

    Last month in the Times Of Israel an Israeli Ex-Defense Minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said ISIS has apologized to the State of Israel for attacking Israeli's by mistake in November. These lunatics in ISIS have been running around chopping the goddamn heads off of EVERYBODY they can get their goddamn hands on, EXCEPT for Israel. Israel gets an apology. When has anyone in their life EVER heard of ISIS apologizing to ANYBODY?! Proof positive of just what the hell is going on over there. Apparently ISIS didn't want to upset their bosses.

    Mossad: What are you doing you schmucks?! Those were Israeli's you attacked in Sector 5!

    ISIS: Sector 5?! I thought you said they were in Sector 6! I'm so sorry, Boss. It won't happen again.

    Mossad: It better not or we're gonna stop treating you guys in our hospitals! What do you think we helped the MI6 and the CIA create you for nothing?! This is completely unacceptable.

    ISIS: Don't worry, Boss. We'll have those Americans over here fighting your wars for you in no time! First in Syria then in Iran, right Boss?

    Mossad: That's right, Buddy. Syria then Iran. That's the plan. That's. The. Plan.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/

    This OAN video you posted at the Tyler Durden stub (Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails with WikiLeaks: Report) is super. Thanks for finding it, Junior!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomLn6gut7E

    OAN OFFERS $250,000 FOR INFORMATION ON SETH RICH’S MURDER

    One might be a little curious where Herring Networks, Inc. gets its funding, but it’s a much needed antidote to the prevailing Russia-bashing nonsense. I hope OAN News gets more exposure (even though it’s always possible that they’re just another arm of the Deep State, a conservative version of the limited hangout so common on the left, like Democracy [i.e. Imperialism] Now).

    The Useful Idiots will be out in force this week (as they have been since the Giant Pussy March). The June 3rd “March for Truth” – a big one in DC and many others all around the country – states as its purpose,

    DEMONSTRATIONS TO CALL FOR URGENT INVESTIGATIONS INTO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE US ELECTION AND TIES TO DONALD TRUMP, HIS ADMINISTRATION AND HIS ASSOCIATES

    https://www.marchfortruth.info

    I’d love to see counter-demonstrators…

    WHO KILLED SETH RICH
    AND WHY ?

    Hopefully not as violent as Antifa vs. BasedStickman, but a good confrontation is in order. Why aren’t they (the Lib-Dem-Progs.) criticizing Trump for his real crimes, the illegal and unconstitutional attacks on the sovereign gov’t of Syria, and the huge sale of weapons which will likely find their way to terrorist hands! They hate Trump, but they love war. They just wanted their Big Vagina commanding the mayhem.

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  84. MEexpert says:
    @Junior

    It is also well known that Israelis are fond of ISIS “freedom fighters.”
     
    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.

    Last month in the Times Of Israel an Israeli Ex-Defense Minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said ISIS has apologized to the State of Israel for attacking Israeli's by mistake in November. These lunatics in ISIS have been running around chopping the goddamn heads off of EVERYBODY they can get their goddamn hands on, EXCEPT for Israel. Israel gets an apology. When has anyone in their life EVER heard of ISIS apologizing to ANYBODY?! Proof positive of just what the hell is going on over there. Apparently ISIS didn't want to upset their bosses.

    Mossad: What are you doing you schmucks?! Those were Israeli's you attacked in Sector 5!

    ISIS: Sector 5?! I thought you said they were in Sector 6! I'm so sorry, Boss. It won't happen again.

    Mossad: It better not or we're gonna stop treating you guys in our hospitals! What do you think we helped the MI6 and the CIA create you for nothing?! This is completely unacceptable.

    ISIS: Don't worry, Boss. We'll have those Americans over here fighting your wars for you in no time! First in Syria then in Iran, right Boss?

    Mossad: That's right, Buddy. Syria then Iran. That's the plan. That's. The. Plan.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/

    And ISIS reciprocates that fondness for Israel in kind.

    Not just Israel but Saudi Arabia as well. How many times has ISIS attacked Saudi Arabia? The only token attacks that have taken place in Saudi Arabia were in the eastern province where the Shias live. No attack in Riyadh, or for that matter in Abu Dhabi or Dubai. UAE is also part of Saudi-Israeli partnership.

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  85. MEexpert says:
    @anonymous
    Americans aren't dhimmis-yet. If those women didn't feel like obeying the dictates of someone else's religion then that's their right. Muslims wear their garb and follow Islamic practices in the western countries. That's a slap in our face isn't it? Some good examples could cause women in the Islamic world to understand that there might be other ways of living in the world out there. Since that country is "steeped" in an uncivilized ideology there's even less motivation to knuckle under to that. Insofar as NATO is concerned their general uselessness for any real, major conflict is a good thing from their point of view. Were they to actually have any great capability then the US would try to use them as cannon fodder for the US's own purposes. This is their defense against that. It's the value of being valueless. Everybody's trying to exploit someone else.
    Reality has a weight of it's own and the capability of the US to act as it may against countries such as Russia and DPRK will show what the limits are in reality, not fantasies of greatness.

    That’s a slap in our face isn’t it?

    You mean it is better to run around, fully or half, naked then, heaven forbid, fully clothed and wearing a scarf.

    Tell me what happened when they went to Israel and Rome. Why did Trump (he is not Jewish)wear Kipa on his head in Israel and Ivonka wore a scarf in front of the Pope? Ivonka is not catholic. Oh, no wait. That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.

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    That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.
     
    It's a matter of choice rather than being forced to follow other people's religious edicts. In Muslim countries they have to. Here it's if someone wants to. Want to conform it's your choice. None of them walked around naked or half-naked over there but were quite normal in their dress so let's not exaggerate.
    , @truthtellerAryan
    Hi MExpert, anything Muslims do is offensive. Because the cabal MSM and Hollywood says so. This dress code offense doesn't count for the Orthodox Jewess, Catholic nuns, the Amish, Hindus, Ethiopians, or those who visit the Pope and a lot of other cultures as long as they are not Muslims!
    Few years ago, France (the first land of "liberty"), wanted to ban slaughter of animals in a "Halal" way, the problem was Jews do practice a similar ritual. France's excuse was "inhumane" . Stupid excuse for such an "educated and advanced" civilized nation, forgetting that in their slaughter houses, where the pig is electrocuted, the current shocks all the animals behind, up and over fifteen of them, the shock gets more intense as they approach the rods. Imagine the pain they go thru before their demise. But it's Muslims who are cruel and inhumane by cutting the throat and resulting in instant death. They didn't think this thru, what about hunting, when you injured an animal that gets away, but suffers for hours if not days before it dies. Hypocrites is what we are................................
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  86. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MEexpert

    That’s a slap in our face isn’t it?
     
    You mean it is better to run around, fully or half, naked then, heaven forbid, fully clothed and wearing a scarf.

    Tell me what happened when they went to Israel and Rome. Why did Trump (he is not Jewish)wear Kipa on his head in Israel and Ivonka wore a scarf in front of the Pope? Ivonka is not catholic. Oh, no wait. That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.

    That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.

    It’s a matter of choice rather than being forced to follow other people’s religious edicts. In Muslim countries they have to. Here it’s if someone wants to. Want to conform it’s your choice. None of them walked around naked or half-naked over there but were quite normal in their dress so let’s not exaggerate.

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    I guess I should have included both sentences, which are the following:

    Muslims wear their garb and follow Islamic practices in the western countries. That’s a slap in our face isn’t it?
     
    My comments were in reference to the first sentence since you were complaining about Muslims wearing their "garb" in western countries. So there was no exaggeration.
    , @Talha

    so let’s not exaggerate
     
    Yes, let's not.

    In Muslim countries they have to.
     
    Name them - are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=morocco+tourists&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8mpO2gZjUAhXCyVQKHRzDBQsQ_AUICigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jordan+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNt475gZjUAhVphlQKHR7IARkQ_AUIBigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=egypt+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9oeu7gpjUAhVExlQKHVWaBcgQ_AUIBygC&biw=1344&bih=774

    Who is forcing them to put on head scarves? What is your source? Hell, they are walking around in shorts!!! Is that a slap in the face of Muslims?

    Peace.

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  87. MEexpert says:
    @anonymous

    That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.
     
    It's a matter of choice rather than being forced to follow other people's religious edicts. In Muslim countries they have to. Here it's if someone wants to. Want to conform it's your choice. None of them walked around naked or half-naked over there but were quite normal in their dress so let's not exaggerate.

    I guess I should have included both sentences, which are the following:

    Muslims wear their garb and follow Islamic practices in the western countries. That’s a slap in our face isn’t it?

    My comments were in reference to the first sentence since you were complaining about Muslims wearing their “garb” in western countries. So there was no exaggeration.

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  88. dodger23 says:

    The American-Arab Muslim summit and these ladies didn’t even wear a scarf to at least give the one billion Muslims an appearance of understanding their religion.

    My father put it really nicely. He said this submit is actually the American-anti Arab Anti Muslim submit and it will bring no good to Muslims. This alliance is solely for Israeli American hegemony in the region only this time Muslims will be dying at both ends of the cannon but that is not all, these cowed down Muslim puppet leaders will not just use their populations to fight for US/Israel interest in the middles but will also finance this evil endeavor as the 350 billion deal shows.

    Do you really think Israel would allow such a big deal to go through if it were to be used for the benefit of Saudi? All of the eighties the Saudis wanted the 16 fighter jets ? (I believe those were the planes) but Israel would block the sales. And now suddenly they are so trusting towards saudi!!

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  89. Agent76 says:

    January 30, 2017 The CIA’s “Deep State”, Donald Trump and His “War on Terrorism”

    Donald Trump’s first act as president was a visit to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, where he addressed gathering of CIA employees. His journey directly in “the swamp” took place almost immediately after his inauguration, and was clearly an urgent first priority.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cia-trump-and-his-war-on-terrorism/5571722

    Dec 7, 2016 Trump Fills the Swamp With Steven Mnuchin

    Trump has named Steven Mnuchin as his Treasury Secretary. So who is Mnuchin, and what does his background tell us about his ideology and what kind of administration Trump is assembling?

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  90. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.
     
    It's a matter of choice rather than being forced to follow other people's religious edicts. In Muslim countries they have to. Here it's if someone wants to. Want to conform it's your choice. None of them walked around naked or half-naked over there but were quite normal in their dress so let's not exaggerate.

    so let’s not exaggerate

    Yes, let’s not.

    In Muslim countries they have to.

    Name them – are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=morocco+tourists&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8mpO2gZjUAhXCyVQKHRzDBQsQ_AUICigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jordan+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNt475gZjUAhVphlQKHR7IARkQ_AUIBigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=egypt+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9oeu7gpjUAhVExlQKHVWaBcgQ_AUIBygC&biw=1344&bih=774

    Who is forcing them to put on head scarves? What is your source? Hell, they are walking around in shorts!!! Is that a slap in the face of Muslims?

    Peace.

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    are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?
     
    Arabia is the very birthplace of Islam so it's not completely unreasonable for a person to look there first when trying to learn more about the subject.

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
     
    Pleasant photos of tourists enjoying themselves. Very nice. However, mentioning Egypt at this time is rather unfortunate timing in view of the recent events there where a group of unarmed and peaceful Coptic Christians were mass murdered. A historic part of and indigenous to Egypt, they were in a state of peace and hadn't bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway. But Egypt is not Arabia so then it's better there. The tourist pics prove it.
    , @MEexpert

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
     
    Let us not forget the UAE and Bahrain either.
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  91. At least two things come to my mind. After WW II the United States was designated to be the nation to carry out the New World Order. This is why all these wars have happened since 1945 as the United States has instigated all of them at the behest of Rothschild and others of his ilk such as David Rockefeller. And so it did because the mainstream press deceived about virtually everything. Now we know that Washington D.C. is one third of the New World Order with the City of London and the Vatican being the other two thirds.

    The United States had a president who wanted peace; so they killed him and blamed it on Lee Harvey Oswald. To begin to understand the mentality of those who would do such a thing, start reading at

    http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/1.html . Be sure to read the documentation that only Argentina published before I arrived in Buenos Aires to acquire the 7 articles that proved what the Editorial said.

    Peace,

    Arlene Johnson
    Publisher/Author

    http://www.truedemocracy.net

    To access the rest of my work, click on the icon that says Magazine.

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    Are you saying that Vatican constitutes one third of the New World Order? They together with London and DC are pulling all the strings? On which planet are you living, woman?
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  92. Z-man says:

    I just saw Spicer’s press conference 5/30/17 where he opened with a summary of Donald’s trip. He barely mentioned the Pope in his opening remarks and of course no mention of the Italian leaders that Trump met with in Rome where he was there for over 36 hours there of course Israel and that messianic mad man ‘Bibi NutinYahoo’ and that dirty little country was mentioned in glowing fashion. We know who the masters of Washington, and unfortunately also Trump, are.

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    Crazy idea, but maybe instead of fighting against something that clearly cannot be defeated, maybe you should readjust your strategy to try to jockey yourself a place in the (seemingly inevitable) NWO?
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  93. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha

    so let’s not exaggerate
     
    Yes, let's not.

    In Muslim countries they have to.
     
    Name them - are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=morocco+tourists&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8mpO2gZjUAhXCyVQKHRzDBQsQ_AUICigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jordan+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNt475gZjUAhVphlQKHR7IARkQ_AUIBigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=egypt+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9oeu7gpjUAhVExlQKHVWaBcgQ_AUIBygC&biw=1344&bih=774

    Who is forcing them to put on head scarves? What is your source? Hell, they are walking around in shorts!!! Is that a slap in the face of Muslims?

    Peace.

    are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?

    Arabia is the very birthplace of Islam so it’s not completely unreasonable for a person to look there first when trying to learn more about the subject.

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:

    Pleasant photos of tourists enjoying themselves. Very nice. However, mentioning Egypt at this time is rather unfortunate timing in view of the recent events there where a group of unarmed and peaceful Coptic Christians were mass murdered. A historic part of and indigenous to Egypt, they were in a state of peace and hadn’t bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway. But Egypt is not Arabia so then it’s better there. The tourist pics prove it.

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    Nice - so your contention is Saudi Arabian Islam (specifically the brand that took over from the Najd area - which is heterodox from the traditional Sunni Orthodox) IS official Islam.

    Good luck getting traction with that one for anybody who knows anything about Islam.

    hadn’t bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway
     
    Yeah - and people like them just killed a bunch of Muslim kids enjoying ice cream in Baghdad after a fast in Ramadan:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/30/baghdad-blast-isis-militants-detonate-bomb-outside-popular-ice-cream-shop-15-dead.html

    Your point exactly? That our extremists are - shock of shocks - bad people? That they kill innocent people?

    Peace.
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  94. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?
     
    Arabia is the very birthplace of Islam so it's not completely unreasonable for a person to look there first when trying to learn more about the subject.

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
     
    Pleasant photos of tourists enjoying themselves. Very nice. However, mentioning Egypt at this time is rather unfortunate timing in view of the recent events there where a group of unarmed and peaceful Coptic Christians were mass murdered. A historic part of and indigenous to Egypt, they were in a state of peace and hadn't bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway. But Egypt is not Arabia so then it's better there. The tourist pics prove it.

    Nice – so your contention is Saudi Arabian Islam (specifically the brand that took over from the Najd area – which is heterodox from the traditional Sunni Orthodox) IS official Islam.

    Good luck getting traction with that one for anybody who knows anything about Islam.

    hadn’t bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway

    Yeah – and people like them just killed a bunch of Muslim kids enjoying ice cream in Baghdad after a fast in Ramadan:

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/30/baghdad-blast-isis-militants-detonate-bomb-outside-popular-ice-cream-shop-15-dead.html

    Your point exactly? That our extremists are – shock of shocks – bad people? That they kill innocent people?

    Peace.

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    "People like them" as in ISIS or "a militia group."

    Sorry, Talha. No Christian suicide or car bombers.
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  95. utu says:
    @Arlene Johnson
    At least two things come to my mind. After WW II the United States was designated to be the nation to carry out the New World Order. This is why all these wars have happened since 1945 as the United States has instigated all of them at the behest of Rothschild and others of his ilk such as David Rockefeller. And so it did because the mainstream press deceived about virtually everything. Now we know that Washington D.C. is one third of the New World Order with the City of London and the Vatican being the other two thirds.

    The United States had a president who wanted peace; so they killed him and blamed it on Lee Harvey Oswald. To begin to understand the mentality of those who would do such a thing, start reading at

    http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/1.html . Be sure to read the documentation that only Argentina published before I arrived in Buenos Aires to acquire the 7 articles that proved what the Editorial said.

    Peace,

    Arlene Johnson
    Publisher/Author
    http://www.truedemocracy.net
    To access the rest of my work, click on the icon that says Magazine.

    Are you saying that Vatican constitutes one third of the New World Order? They together with London and DC are pulling all the strings? On which planet are you living, woman?

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  96. Avery says:

    { A historic part of and indigenous to Egypt, they were in a state of peace and hadn’t bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway.}

    Exactly.

    Because….they were Christian.
    Slaughtered by invading nomad Muslim Arab hordes who have taken over their country.

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  97. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    so let’s not exaggerate
     
    Yes, let's not.

    In Muslim countries they have to.
     
    Name them - are Saudi or Iran supposed to be representative of the entire 50+ Muslim countries in the world?

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=morocco+tourists&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8mpO2gZjUAhXCyVQKHRzDBQsQ_AUICigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jordan+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNt475gZjUAhVphlQKHR7IARkQ_AUIBigB&biw=1344&bih=774

    https://www.google.com/search?q=egypt+tourists&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9oeu7gpjUAhVExlQKHVWaBcgQ_AUIBygC&biw=1344&bih=774

    Who is forcing them to put on head scarves? What is your source? Hell, they are walking around in shorts!!! Is that a slap in the face of Muslims?

    Peace.

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:

    Let us not forget the UAE and Bahrain either.

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    Hey MEexpert,

    Do they wear anything in the UAE? 'Cause let me tell you, I've heard some stories...

    Peace.
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  98. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Here is what non-Muslim women dress like when visiting traditional Muslim countries like Morocco, Jordan and Egypt:
     
    Let us not forget the UAE and Bahrain either.

    Hey MEexpert,

    Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…

    Peace.

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    Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…
     
    That is my point. I have just returned from UAE and believe me, "you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.
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  99. “There are many ways in which Saudi Arabia and Israel are truly unique: they are both prime sponsors of terrorism, they are both nations deeply steeped in ideologies which can only be described as uncivilized (Wahabism and Jewish supremacism) and they both are armed to the teeth.”

    This is risible. You are correct about Wahabism, but the Israeli thing, beyond them being armed to the teeth, which is understandable, is simply the product of a diseased mind.

    “the US will contribute the military “expertise” of a country which can’t even take Mosul”

    When did they try to take Mosul, Saker? Methinks you are simply writing about a recent krokodil induced nightmare.

    “….Iran, the only real democracy in the middle east.”

    Why do you wish to destroy what little credibility you have? If Iran is a Democracy then so is North Korea. The only difference is that the NORKs make no concession to eyewash, while the Mullahs routinely rig elections.

    “…according to rumors spread by the US, former corporate executive Rex Tillerson was supposed to go to Moscow to deliver some kind of ultimatum.”

    What sort of ultimatum? Why deliver an ultimatum? Why would the US want to “work with” Russia? They have little to nothing to offer and the country is sinking in a self created morass. We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II” and Russia is simply going to get progressively weaker. The mess Putin has created in Ukraine by stealing Crimea and invading the Donbas is simply weakening the country more as the costs of both are ruining Russia. Putin is not the good leader many thin he is. He’s an idiot.

    “…nor the Chinese were very impressed.”

    I suppose that’s why the Red Chinese told Kim that the US was to be taken seriously. Even the Chinese are wondering about the sanity of Kim.

    I could go on, but this column is typical Saker. Uninformed ramblings that reflects his usual idiocy.

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    You are correct about Wahabism, but the Israeli thing, beyond them being armed to the teeth, which is understandable, is simply the product of a diseased mind.
     
    The diseased mind seems to be yours. When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn't it a form of Jewish supremacism?

    If Iran is a Democracy then so is North Korea. The only difference is that the NORKs make no concession to eyewash, while the Mullahs routinely rig elections.
     
    Comparison to North Korea is total lunacy. There only one candidate runs for office. The elections in Iran are monitored by international monitors and so far all elections have been found to be fair, including the 2009 election that the western media, especially, the corporate media in the US, tried to label as disputed.

    How about the elections in the US since the 2000 election? All those elections haven't been kosher.

    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II” and Russia is simply going to get progressively weaker. The mess Putin has created in Ukraine by stealing Crimea and invading the Donbas is simply weakening the country more as the costs of both are ruining Russia. Putin is not the good leader many thin he is. He’s an idiot.
     
    Your entire article doesn't make sense. You need to stop watching and reading the corporate media and establishment propaganda. It is the US that created a mess in Ukraine by overthrowing an elected President and in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen as well.

    Don't worry about Russia being ruined by Putin. Worry about the US, if you are a US citizen. The endless global wars and intervention in every country are ruining this country. The Trillion-dollar deficit and the massive defense budgets are unsustainable.
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  100. rw95 says:
    @Z-man
    I just saw Spicer's press conference 5/30/17 where he opened with a summary of Donald's trip. He barely mentioned the Pope in his opening remarks and of course no mention of the Italian leaders that Trump met with in Rome where he was there for over 36 hours there of course Israel and that messianic mad man 'Bibi NutinYahoo' and that dirty little country was mentioned in glowing fashion. We know who the masters of Washington, and unfortunately also Trump, are.

    Crazy idea, but maybe instead of fighting against something that clearly cannot be defeated, maybe you should readjust your strategy to try to jockey yourself a place in the (seemingly inevitable) NWO?

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    Yes, tell us how.
    , @Z-man
    But yes young Juden-hopper it will be defeated, one way or another.
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  101. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @rw95
    Crazy idea, but maybe instead of fighting against something that clearly cannot be defeated, maybe you should readjust your strategy to try to jockey yourself a place in the (seemingly inevitable) NWO?

    Yes, tell us how.

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  102. MEexpert says:
    @Talha
    Hey MEexpert,

    Do they wear anything in the UAE? 'Cause let me tell you, I've heard some stories...

    Peace.

    Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…

    That is my point. I have just returned from UAE and believe me, “you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.

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    {I have just returned from UAE and believe me, “you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.}

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/10/couple-found-out-they-were-pregnant-uae-arrested-them/99001736/
    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}

    There are other similar stories of people being arrested in UAE/Dubai.
    No need to list them all here.

    Despite the shiny new skyscrapers and Lamborghinis, UAE and all other Gulf sheikdoms are medieval anachronisms.

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  103. MEexpert says:
    @Quartermaster

    “There are many ways in which Saudi Arabia and Israel are truly unique: they are both prime sponsors of terrorism, they are both nations deeply steeped in ideologies which can only be described as uncivilized (Wahabism and Jewish supremacism) and they both are armed to the teeth.”
     
    This is risible. You are correct about Wahabism, but the Israeli thing, beyond them being armed to the teeth, which is understandable, is simply the product of a diseased mind.

    “the US will contribute the military “expertise” of a country which can’t even take Mosul”
     
    When did they try to take Mosul, Saker? Methinks you are simply writing about a recent krokodil induced nightmare.

    “....Iran, the only real democracy in the middle east.”

     

    Why do you wish to destroy what little credibility you have? If Iran is a Democracy then so is North Korea. The only difference is that the NORKs make no concession to eyewash, while the Mullahs routinely rig elections.

    “...according to rumors spread by the US, former corporate executive Rex Tillerson was supposed to go to Moscow to deliver some kind of ultimatum.”
     
    What sort of ultimatum? Why deliver an ultimatum? Why would the US want to “work with” Russia? They have little to nothing to offer and the country is sinking in a self created morass. We're at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II” and Russia is simply going to get progressively weaker. The mess Putin has created in Ukraine by stealing Crimea and invading the Donbas is simply weakening the country more as the costs of both are ruining Russia. Putin is not the good leader many thin he is. He's an idiot.

    “...nor the Chinese were very impressed.”
     
    I suppose that's why the Red Chinese told Kim that the US was to be taken seriously. Even the Chinese are wondering about the sanity of Kim.

    I could go on, but this column is typical Saker. Uninformed ramblings that reflects his usual idiocy.

    You are correct about Wahabism, but the Israeli thing, beyond them being armed to the teeth, which is understandable, is simply the product of a diseased mind.

    The diseased mind seems to be yours. When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn’t it a form of Jewish supremacism?

    If Iran is a Democracy then so is North Korea. The only difference is that the NORKs make no concession to eyewash, while the Mullahs routinely rig elections.

    Comparison to North Korea is total lunacy. There only one candidate runs for office. The elections in Iran are monitored by international monitors and so far all elections have been found to be fair, including the 2009 election that the western media, especially, the corporate media in the US, tried to label as disputed.

    How about the elections in the US since the 2000 election? All those elections haven’t been kosher.

    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II” and Russia is simply going to get progressively weaker. The mess Putin has created in Ukraine by stealing Crimea and invading the Donbas is simply weakening the country more as the costs of both are ruining Russia. Putin is not the good leader many thin he is. He’s an idiot.

    Your entire article doesn’t make sense. You need to stop watching and reading the corporate media and establishment propaganda. It is the US that created a mess in Ukraine by overthrowing an elected President and in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen as well.

    Don’t worry about Russia being ruined by Putin. Worry about the US, if you are a US citizen. The endless global wars and intervention in every country are ruining this country. The Trillion-dollar deficit and the massive defense budgets are unsustainable.

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    When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn’t it a form of Jewish supremacism?
     
    So the OIC is a Muslim supremacist group?

    All those elections haven’t been kosher.
     
    No elections anywhere are "kosher", except maybe for dogcatcher somewhere. That's life.


    Don’t worry about Russia being ruined by Putin.
     
    Can't agree more.

    Ukraine
     
    was a mess to start out with. Hope they work something out eventually.


    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II”
     
    Russian Federation != USSR.
    Putin is more a Franco or Salazar figure than a Lenin/Stalin/Kruschev/etc. Things falling apart under him seems an incredibly unlikely contingency. What will be interesting is how he passes the torch.

    NB. (!= : "not equal")
    , @Quartermaster

    The diseased mind seems to be yours. When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn’t it a form of Jewish supremacism?
     
    So what? Russia has a state but Israel shouldn't? You're simply being silly.

    Comparison to North Korea is total lunacy. There only one candidate runs for office. The elections in Iran are monitored by international monitors and so far all elections have been found to be fair, including the 2009 election that the western media, especially, the corporate media in the US, tried to label as disputed.

    How about the elections in the US since the 2000 election? All those elections haven’t been kosher.
     
    Elections are rarely “kosher” (nice Jewish term there). Get over it. The Iranians are out and out rigging theirs to allow the chosen to step into office. Iran is not, by any reasonable definition, democratic.

    Your entire article doesn’t make sense. You need to stop watching and reading the corporate media and establishment propaganda. It is the US that created a mess in Ukraine by overthrowing an elected President and in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen as well.
     
    I didn't write an “article,” but I'm sorry it makes no sense to you. I'd have to say you've got your nose in too much of the lying scum media, as well as Saker's propaganda. last I looked, we had no one in Yemen, although Obama sent a drone or two. Iraq is a mess, and ISIS rose because Obama abandoned Iraq.

    Don’t worry about Russia being ruined by Putin. Worry about the US, if you are a US citizen. The endless global wars and intervention in every country are ruining this country. The Trillion-dollar deficit and the massive defense budgets are unsustainable.
     
    I'm not worried bout Putin ruining Russia. No need as he will do it regardless of what I do. I'm just an interested observer. If you want to get the facts about Russia, you won't get them on Sputnik or Russia Today. Both of those, and Saker's columns, are just Putinist propaganda.
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  104. Z-man says:
    @rw95
    Crazy idea, but maybe instead of fighting against something that clearly cannot be defeated, maybe you should readjust your strategy to try to jockey yourself a place in the (seemingly inevitable) NWO?

    But yes young Juden-hopper it will be defeated, one way or another.

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    And you're going to do that... by posting oven memes and hosting ineffectual protests ala Dickie Spencer?
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  105. Avery says:
    @MEexpert

    Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…
     
    That is my point. I have just returned from UAE and believe me, "you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.

    {I have just returned from UAE and believe me, “you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.}

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/10/couple-found-out-they-were-pregnant-uae-arrested-them/99001736/

    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}

    There are other similar stories of people being arrested in UAE/Dubai.
    No need to list them all here.

    Despite the shiny new skyscrapers and Lamborghinis, UAE and all other Gulf sheikdoms are medieval anachronisms.

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    Hey Avery,

    UAE and all other Gulf sheikdoms are medieval anachronisms
     
    If they were medieval they wouldn't have cared what non-Muslims were doing sexually - unless they were doing it in public (which we care about here as well). This is actually a reflection of the post-modern nation-state institution of one-size-fits-all legal frameworks.

    The medieval Muslims couldn't care less if non-Muslims were fornicating or marrying their own sisters.

    Peace.
    , @MEexpert

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:

    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}
     
    You are mixing apples and oranges. The discussion was about dresses.

    If something is against the law of the country then law breaker must be punished. Look at the polygamy cases in the US. Even though all religions allow polygamy the US has made it illegal in spite of the constitutional prohibition against making such laws. Law breakers are always hunted down and punished.
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  106. Sean says:
    @WJ
    Syria and Iran were minor players in our Iraq debacle. Iran funded resistance there only after we got the bright idea of nation building and staying for the long term.

    Israel wants a chaotic, disorganized state on their border posing no unified threat to them. Of course the concerns and lives of Syrians are not their issue since it is all about what is good for Israel. Thank goodness for the Russians and their efforts to kill the jihadi swine that Israel and Saudi and the USA have been supporting since 2011.

    McMasters is neocon nut. He won a battle in the desert in 1991 against a junky, obsolete Iraq tank division and now he is the second coming of Patton. Any lives lost in his aggressive actions in Tal Afar were lives wasted and squandered. Let us hope that Trump doesn't succumb to McMasters' bad ideas.

    Patton quote

    “Do not regard what you do only as preparation for doing the same thing more fully or better at some later time. Nothing is ever done twice. There is no next time.”

    Quote of Patton, he lived that and drove himself hard. As Clausewitz said, iron will overcomes all obstacles, but it wears you out. If you look at photographs of him at the time he seemed prematurely aged– and his physical condition was a big part of whyPatton died from an accident that others in the car survived without injury.

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    Patton was an intellectual midget. As typical of any American, his megalomaniac views of him and his country vastly overmatched the abilities of him and his country. He is known for boasting that he can take Moscow. Yeah right, good luck with that. He even explained it how he planned to do it – by rearming the defeated German army. Of course. He realized that if anybody could do it – it would be the Germans and they have already been proven that they couldn’t do it either. So that “plan” went nowhere. Patton was just a big mouth and mediocre leader suffering from delusions of grandeur.
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  107. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @MEexpert

    You are correct about Wahabism, but the Israeli thing, beyond them being armed to the teeth, which is understandable, is simply the product of a diseased mind.
     
    The diseased mind seems to be yours. When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn't it a form of Jewish supremacism?

    If Iran is a Democracy then so is North Korea. The only difference is that the NORKs make no concession to eyewash, while the Mullahs routinely rig elections.
     
    Comparison to North Korea is total lunacy. There only one candidate runs for office. The elections in Iran are monitored by international monitors and so far all elections have been found to be fair, including the 2009 election that the western media, especially, the corporate media in the US, tried to label as disputed.

    How about the elections in the US since the 2000 election? All those elections haven't been kosher.

    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II” and Russia is simply going to get progressively weaker. The mess Putin has created in Ukraine by stealing Crimea and invading the Donbas is simply weakening the country more as the costs of both are ruining Russia. Putin is not the good leader many thin he is. He’s an idiot.
     
    Your entire article doesn't make sense. You need to stop watching and reading the corporate media and establishment propaganda. It is the US that created a mess in Ukraine by overthrowing an elected President and in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen as well.

    Don't worry about Russia being ruined by Putin. Worry about the US, if you are a US citizen. The endless global wars and intervention in every country are ruining this country. The Trillion-dollar deficit and the massive defense budgets are unsustainable.

    When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn’t it a form of Jewish supremacism?

    So the OIC is a Muslim supremacist group?

    All those elections haven’t been kosher.

    No elections anywhere are “kosher”, except maybe for dogcatcher somewhere. That’s life.

    Don’t worry about Russia being ruined by Putin.

    Can’t agree more.

    Ukraine

    was a mess to start out with. Hope they work something out eventually.

    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II”

    Russian Federation != USSR.
    Putin is more a Franco or Salazar figure than a Lenin/Stalin/Kruschev/etc. Things falling apart under him seems an incredibly unlikely contingency. What will be interesting is how he passes the torch.

    NB. (!= : “not equal”)

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    Things are falling apart under Putin. I'm not worried about it, just an interested observer. Russia is down to pension funds and the economy is still sinking. Putin has had to put of modernizing his navy and Army because of the lack of funds. Between Syria and the invasion of Ukraine, Putin's regime in financial straits. The course he has set is towards destruction.
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  108. RobinG says:

    NEWSFLASH:

    Quartermuckster admits

    Israel…. is simply the product of a diseased mind.

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  109. Talha says:
    @Avery
    {I have just returned from UAE and believe me, “you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.}

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/10/couple-found-out-they-were-pregnant-uae-arrested-them/99001736/
    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}

    There are other similar stories of people being arrested in UAE/Dubai.
    No need to list them all here.

    Despite the shiny new skyscrapers and Lamborghinis, UAE and all other Gulf sheikdoms are medieval anachronisms.

    Hey Avery,

    UAE and all other Gulf sheikdoms are medieval anachronisms

    If they were medieval they wouldn’t have cared what non-Muslims were doing sexually – unless they were doing it in public (which we care about here as well). This is actually a reflection of the post-modern nation-state institution of one-size-fits-all legal frameworks.

    The medieval Muslims couldn’t care less if non-Muslims were fornicating or marrying their own sisters.

    Peace.

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  110. Sean says:
    @ProfessorChops
    Sean:
    That has to be one of the most contradictory, senseless, and poorly argued anti-Syrian posts I have read to date on this website. Sean, you are either a poorly performing troll or tied and gagged to a chair in some dungeon, forced to watch CNN 24/7. But even that fails to explain your geopolitical views. Wow!

    McMaster and Flynn are in a better position to know than me, perhaps even you.

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  111. Cyrano says:
    @Sean
    Patton quote

    “Do not regard what you do only as preparation for doing the same thing more fully or better at some later time. Nothing is ever done twice. There is no next time.”
     
    Quote of Patton, he lived that and drove himself hard. As Clausewitz said, iron will overcomes all obstacles, but it wears you out. If you look at photographs of him at the time he seemed prematurely aged-- and his physical condition was a big part of whyPatton died from an accident that others in the car survived without injury.

    Patton was an intellectual midget. As typical of any American, his megalomaniac views of him and his country vastly overmatched the abilities of him and his country. He is known for boasting that he can take Moscow. Yeah right, good luck with that. He even explained it how he planned to do it – by rearming the defeated German army. Of course. He realized that if anybody could do it – it would be the Germans and they have already been proven that they couldn’t do it either. So that “plan” went nowhere. Patton was just a big mouth and mediocre leader suffering from delusions of grandeur.

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    Khrushchev and other Russians th64ghtn differently, and when the MLF initiative seemed about to give Germany the potential for a conventional attack on Russia under a nuclear weapon Mexican standoff, Khrushchev was aghast, privately speaking of blitzkrieging German tanks smashing their way to Moscow in shot order. But he was only there in WW2, while your qualifications speak for themselves
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  112. Sean says:
    @MEexpert

    McMaster was there, he knows the Assads were behind the terrorists killing his men, and the Iranians were behind the Shia terrorists killing American soldiers on the other side on the Iraq where it has a border with Iran. General Flynn knew it too, and as head of the DIA he saw all the intelligence.
     
    Obviously, Sean is an Israeli Kool-Aid drinker who makes such idiotic comments. When did Assads (sic) become involve in Iraq? McMaster was in Iraq not in Syria. First, Americans are the outsiders who invaded Iraq. Any Iraqi retaliating against this invasion is a patriot, not a terrorist. Just as Hezbollah resistance fighters defending against the invading Israelis are not terrorists.

    Furthermore, Al-Qaeda and ISIS are the terrorists that did most of the killing of the American soldiers. Iraqi army and the Shia militias backed up by Iran are fighting these terrorists alongside the Americans. And in Syria, it is the Americans that are fighting alongside the terrorists against the Assad regime. It is the Americans that are bombing Syrian army and the civilians. It is the Americans that are supplying weapons to the terrorists in Syria.

    There were mass popular demonstrations in Syria that Assad’s 80% Alawite officered army opened fire on.That started a popular uprising, which managed to push Assad’s army out by sheer force of numbers. But they were left completely un-armed by America. The proof of that is the Assad regieme and its RUSSIAN overlord are still bombing areas held by Syrian rebels) with impunity, because the rebel majority have no anti aircraft weapons at all.Heard of Stingers in Afghanistan have we? The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.

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    The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.
     
    Regime change requires American boots on the ground which the US is not willing to do for fear of body bags. The American foot soldiers (the alphabet armies) have been trying to do the work but in spite of massive financial and arms support from the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel they have not been able to do it. Failing the regime change, the US masters (Israel and Saudi Arabia) want Syria and Iraq divided into mini-states.
    , @L.K
    Sean, you are one of the most pathetic of the many liars who post at Unz.

    To this very day you are trying to push totally discredited propaganda re the conflict in Syria.

    Everything you wrote, and I do mean everything, are just lies.
    The most excrementacious of your many talking points is to actually try to deny the obvious point that ZUSA has been doing all it can to overthrow the Syrian government since 2011, with the actual plan in fact going back to at least 2006, as wikileaks shows.

    Pinocchio would be considered a truth teller next to you.

    P.S. a glimpse into Sean's peaceful protesters shooting unarmed riot police in Homs, Syria, 2011;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiMwqm2H8TU

    In the following vid, we see a recent interview with a Syrian of Armenian ethnicity who fled his country bc of your heroes, Sean. At around 10:30 he goes on to explain how the supposedly moderate fake syrian army, fsa, kidnapped his brother, tortured him and forced the family to pay ransom money or else he would be beheaded;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3d8eP-tboI
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  113. rw95 says:
    @Z-man
    But yes young Juden-hopper it will be defeated, one way or another.

    And you’re going to do that… by posting oven memes and hosting ineffectual protests ala Dickie Spencer?

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    Get your mind out of the oven.
    I mean in the court of public opinion by finally seeing the crimes they commit and if not that, then justice will be served in the Biblical (NT) sense in this world or the next.
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  114. Sean says:
    @WJ
    Syria and Iran were minor players in our Iraq debacle. Iran funded resistance there only after we got the bright idea of nation building and staying for the long term.

    Israel wants a chaotic, disorganized state on their border posing no unified threat to them. Of course the concerns and lives of Syrians are not their issue since it is all about what is good for Israel. Thank goodness for the Russians and their efforts to kill the jihadi swine that Israel and Saudi and the USA have been supporting since 2011.

    McMasters is neocon nut. He won a battle in the desert in 1991 against a junky, obsolete Iraq tank division and now he is the second coming of Patton. Any lives lost in his aggressive actions in Tal Afar were lives wasted and squandered. Let us hope that Trump doesn't succumb to McMasters' bad ideas.

    http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/jan/1252075.htm
    During questioning by the Americans after his capture, the boy told how he had been sodomised and abused by the insurgents, before being given the job of holding down the legs of victims they beheaded. Throughout the traumatic period of his detention by some of the most barbaric fighters in Iraq, the only reassurance the boy was ever given was that of promotion; that he himself would one day become an executioner and beheader.

    It’s a shocking account, but then, in August and September of last year, Tal Afar was a place of scarcely believable brutality.

    This town of some 200,000 people, barely 40 miles from the Syrian border, had become “like something from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome”, according to another senior coalition military spokesman in Baghdad.

    In some Tal Afar neighbourhoods, such as Sarai, the entire infrastructure was in the grip of insurgents and jihadists, who ran everything from water and electricity supplies, to arms smuggling and propaganda campaigns, all enforced by a regime of kidnappings, shootings and beheadings.

    Many of the insurgents within this anarchic hotbed of bombers and gunmen were foreign Islamist fighters, who had been ferried clandestinely along the labyrinth of mountain and desert smuggling routes that runs to Tal Afar and Mosul from the Syrian frontier.

    During questioning by the Americans after his capture, the boy told how he had been sodomised and abused by the insurgents, before being given the job of holding down the legs of victims they beheaded. Throughout the traumatic period of his detention by some of the most barbaric fighters in Iraq, the only reassurance the boy was ever given was that of promotion; that he himself would one day become an executioner and beheader.

    It’s a shocking account, but then, in August and September of last year, Tal Afar was a place of scarcely believable brutality.

    This town of some 200,000 people, barely 40 miles from the Syrian border, had become “like something from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome”, according to another senior coalition military spokesman in Baghdad.

    In some Tal Afar neighbourhoods, such as Sarai, the entire infrastructure was in the grip of insurgents and jihadists, who ran everything from water and electricity supplies, to arms smuggling and propaganda campaigns, all enforced by a regime of kidnappings, shootings and beheadings.

    Many of the insurgents within this anarchic hotbed of bombers and gunmen were foreign Islamist fighters, who had been ferried clandestinely along the labyrinth of mountain and desert smuggling routes that runs to Tal Afar and Mosul from the Syrian frontier.

    In Tal Afar,McMaster rooted out and destroyed terrorists in their stronghold which just happened to be on the border with Assad controled Syria. Young Iraqi men and boys didn’t want to be sodomised into carrying out suicide bombings by the terror cadres, so they helped the Americans.

    The grain of truth in the assertion that the US was behing Isis is that Assad suffered blow-back as some of the terrorists defeated in Iraq decided to take a hand in the Syrian civil war. Hence is American forces in Iraq could be said to have facilitated Jihad was be making them flee back into Syria–the way they had came.

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  115. The Saker, you have nailed our path. We’re being led by a dangerous (now two) shepherds to an abyss. As sheep don’t know any better, we need a strong pack of wolves who can chase us off this armageddon track. The Cabal and their half brothers (one is con artist and the other has money and shit for brain) have to be stopped. We’re in deep poop as long as we’re still in this slumber, maybe we’re in a comma.

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  116. MEexpert says:
    @Sean
    There were mass popular demonstrations in Syria that Assad's 80% Alawite officered army opened fire on.That started a popular uprising, which managed to push Assad's army out by sheer force of numbers. But they were left completely un-armed by America. The proof of that is the Assad regieme and its RUSSIAN overlord are still bombing areas held by Syrian rebels) with impunity, because the rebel majority have no anti aircraft weapons at all.Heard of Stingers in Afghanistan have we? The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.

    The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.

    Regime change requires American boots on the ground which the US is not willing to do for fear of body bags. The American foot soldiers (the alphabet armies) have been trying to do the work but in spite of massive financial and arms support from the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel they have not been able to do it. Failing the regime change, the US masters (Israel and Saudi Arabia) want Syria and Iraq divided into mini-states.

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11610482/Tide-of-Syria-civil-war-turns-against-Assad-as-rebels-make-sweeping-gains.html

    The rebel were winning back in 2015, when apart from arms, there was no meaningful foreign presence favouring either side ( the Iranians and Lebanese fighting for Assad ,balance out foreign antiAssad fighters) It was the entry of Russia and the Russian air force that blasted the anti Assad groups out of their gains .

    According to you, while air power works for Assad to take territory, it cannot help the rebels take territory, and America hasn't tried air stikes because they wouldn't work The Syrian rebels have not been given anti aircraft weapons such as Stingers by the US for similar reasons no doubt.

    Obama was weak and the military were in no doubt use of mere airpower could overthrow Assad, but they were simply opposed to the overthrow of Assad.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/pentagon-mutiny-on-syria_b_8879792.html

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  117. MEexpert says:
    @Avery
    {I have just returned from UAE and believe me, “you aint seen (or heard, in your case) nothing yet. Dubai is LA, London, and Paris all-in-one.}

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/10/couple-found-out-they-were-pregnant-uae-arrested-them/99001736/
    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}

    There are other similar stories of people being arrested in UAE/Dubai.
    No need to list them all here.

    Despite the shiny new skyscrapers and Lamborghinis, UAE and all other Gulf sheikdoms are medieval anachronisms.

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:

    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}

    You are mixing apples and oranges. The discussion was about dresses.

    If something is against the law of the country then law breaker must be punished. Look at the polygamy cases in the US. Even though all religions allow polygamy the US has made it illegal in spite of the constitutional prohibition against making such laws. Law breakers are always hunted down and punished.

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    [Talha]: {Hey MEexpert, Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…}

    My English is not as good as Talha's, but I take that to mean.......they don't wear any clothing in UAE (?).

    So........about thems apples and oranges.
    According to [Talha], a Muslim in good standing, certain people in UAE do not wear clothing, or at least very little clothing.
    Yet, a woman is arrested for getting pregnant: not for public sex, but because she - not being married - committed a 'crime' by getting pregnant while not married.

    In what universe does your so-called ME expertise compare oranges to dates. (Dates: get it ? Middles East, camels, palms, dates...)

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  118. Ace says:
    @Kiza
    As far as I am aware, ISIS was created by US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam's military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Threausury. The Sunni insurgency stopped attacking US troops in Iraq and used the money as a seed capital to start establishing the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. After the seed capital, the sources of financing became the Saudis, stealing, racketeering and the sales of stolen oil.

    Whether ISIS got any help from Mossad, CIA and MI6 is not provable, as it should not be, but it is clear that these organisations were helping out and IDF and Pentagon were not far behind. USAF has been hitting some marginal ISIS targets and making the usual loud media fuss about it, but it was not before the Russians cut oil selling that anybody hurt ISIS seriously. There is a famous online video of ISIS brand new white Toyota pick ups moving through the desert under the protection of Apache helicopters.

    Some enemies.

    There was discussion about the chopper in the comments on one site that published that video. There was seeming informed opinion that it was not an Apache but a Soviet model. To my eye also it did not appear to be an Apache.

    Still, I cannot think of any other entity that would provide such air cover. The US had the capability to detect that and other convoys and did nothing, as we have also seen with ISIS oil trucks. It doesn’t require much of a leap to posit active US protection, though from whom is another question.

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  119. Avery says:
    @MEexpert

    Are you serious?
    Tell us if the following has _ever_ happened in LA, London, or Paris:

    {On Jan. 29, a 27-year-old Ukrainian woman living in the United Arab Emirates went to the doctor after experiencing stomach cramps. What came next: a pregnancy diagnosis—and her arrest for unmarried sex, which is illegal in the UAE. Iryna Nohai and her South African partner, Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, have been detained without charge in Abu Dhabi since, the BBC reports}
     
    You are mixing apples and oranges. The discussion was about dresses.

    If something is against the law of the country then law breaker must be punished. Look at the polygamy cases in the US. Even though all religions allow polygamy the US has made it illegal in spite of the constitutional prohibition against making such laws. Law breakers are always hunted down and punished.

    [Talha]: {Hey MEexpert, Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…}

    My English is not as good as Talha’s, but I take that to mean…….they don’t wear any clothing in UAE (?).

    So……..about thems apples and oranges.
    According to [Talha], a Muslim in good standing, certain people in UAE do not wear clothing, or at least very little clothing.
    Yet, a woman is arrested for getting pregnant: not for public sex, but because she – not being married – committed a ‘crime’ by getting pregnant while not married.

    In what universe does your so-called ME expertise compare oranges to dates. (Dates: get it ? Middles East, camels, palms, dates…)

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    Hey Avery,

    Look up videos or photos for; UAE nightlife/night clubs.

    'Nuff said.

    One thing though- Sharjah is the more religious of the Emirates and does enforce a dress code - but it is not at the hijab level from what I know - more like banning miniskirts and such.
    http://m.gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/of-dress-codes-and-social-values-in-sharjah-1.1141054

    Peace.
    , @MEexpert
    You still didn't answer my question. I guess you didn't recognize the apples. You must have thought they were dates. For your information, my point was that in UAE westerners wear almost whatever they want.
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  120. Talha says:
    @Avery
    [Talha]: {Hey MEexpert, Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…}

    My English is not as good as Talha's, but I take that to mean.......they don't wear any clothing in UAE (?).

    So........about thems apples and oranges.
    According to [Talha], a Muslim in good standing, certain people in UAE do not wear clothing, or at least very little clothing.
    Yet, a woman is arrested for getting pregnant: not for public sex, but because she - not being married - committed a 'crime' by getting pregnant while not married.

    In what universe does your so-called ME expertise compare oranges to dates. (Dates: get it ? Middles East, camels, palms, dates...)

    Hey Avery,

    Look up videos or photos for; UAE nightlife/night clubs.

    ‘Nuff said.

    One thing though- Sharjah is the more religious of the Emirates and does enforce a dress code – but it is not at the hijab level from what I know – more like banning miniskirts and such.

    http://m.gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/of-dress-codes-and-social-values-in-sharjah-1.1141054

    Peace.

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    Yo, Talha:

    No, you look up the stories of foreigners arrested and thrown in jail in UAE.
    The Ukrainian woman was arrested and jailed for getting pregnant.
    Do you dispute that?

    "‘Nuff said" indeed.
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  121. L.K says:
    @Sean
    There were mass popular demonstrations in Syria that Assad's 80% Alawite officered army opened fire on.That started a popular uprising, which managed to push Assad's army out by sheer force of numbers. But they were left completely un-armed by America. The proof of that is the Assad regieme and its RUSSIAN overlord are still bombing areas held by Syrian rebels) with impunity, because the rebel majority have no anti aircraft weapons at all.Heard of Stingers in Afghanistan have we? The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.

    Sean, you are one of the most pathetic of the many liars who post at Unz.

    To this very day you are trying to push totally discredited propaganda re the conflict in Syria.

    Everything you wrote, and I do mean everything, are just lies.
    The most excrementacious of your many talking points is to actually try to deny the obvious point that ZUSA has been doing all it can to overthrow the Syrian government since 2011, with the actual plan in fact going back to at least 2006, as wikileaks shows.

    Pinocchio would be considered a truth teller next to you.

    P.S. a glimpse into Sean’s peaceful protesters shooting unarmed riot police in Homs, Syria, 2011;

    In the following vid, we see a recent interview with a Syrian of Armenian ethnicity who fled his country bc of your heroes, Sean. At around 10:30 he goes on to explain how the supposedly moderate fake syrian army, fsa, kidnapped his brother, tortured him and forced the family to pay ransom money or else he would be beheaded;

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  122. Ace says:
    @Johan Nagel
    A useful article, as is always the case with our fine Saker.

    Though I cannot understand why writers continue to follow the trawler like the seagulls waiting for the sardines, (a nod in the direction of King Eric!). Trump has been proven, as Obama was proven, and many before him, to be nominally a script reader, a totem for the masses to look towards as their 'leader' when the reality is that the government of the US especially and most obviously is merely tangible facet of a much bigger group. In short, Trump is a businessman given the chance to make a few extra millions and go down in history as a President. All he has to do is try to keep his mouth shut, make these visits to other countries for effect, make speeches given to him by others and he gets more gold and his place in history. It is all theatre...

    The real power is so obviously in Israel, alongside old and new money, the military industrial complex which is spearheaded by the US and UK...with the mass media another major power group and connected. Pharmaceutical and Agricultural corporations have also risen to huge prominence. Essentially, the 'government' is mainly for show.

    Trump has forged no new alliance. The KSa is run by immensely dodgy fiends who might even be Jews themselves. The two countries are an axis or seat of power in the region with the same aims, the same MO, the same funding, arming and support of the same militant groups. Anyway, much of this is outlined by the Saker.

    However, as I have seen elsewhere, this idea of the europeans being so weak and offering nothing on the power stage is either very poor reporting or some form of racism. The secret services of the Uk are involved in likely every theatre of war around the globe. They simply do not allow themselves to be so easily seen as the CIA or other military facets of the US death machine.

    I suspect the French also are very well connected and hugely involved. Behind the scenes. Mainly the Brits though. Always have been, always will be. Their bread and butter is serving interests well beyond the government, nothing to do with the people. I would also add that some of the special forces at least in the motherland (England to me) are revered as much as feared across the globe...this has been confirmed to me by soldiers, not just what I have read.

    Also, still on Europe, well at least the UK...Unlike the US, which managed to elect a racist, misogynist, bigot, the UK voted in enough numbers for their independence. They also have provided enough support from the people, not the Establishment to present to the world a candidate of decency, purity of heart and integrity, the likes of which have not been seen in the US, at such a high level, not anywhere else a handful of latin american countries, for many moons indeed.

    The witch hunt against him from his own party, from the Conservatives, from the mass media, from his so called 'friends' is a disgrace, yet the mere fact the people have caused such a tidal wave to even give such a man a chance, brings me pride and a slither, fast fading as it will prove, of hope...

    Too many writers generalize Europe too much for me to conclude anything other than their experience of Europe comes from words on a screen rather than practical living in the countries and peoples they write of.

    NB. Also, for a bit of fun, I used a couple of introductions of characters from Dostoyevsky's The Devils, as I watched interviews with Corbyn and May last night, and tailored the text to provide...Fyodor's analysis of the candidates!>> http://thedissolutefox.com/profiling-the-candidates-uk-elections-corbyn-and-may/ )

    ** a racist, misogynist, bigot **

    Obama’s out of office now. Let’s move past that unfortunate period.

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  123. Z-man says:
    @rw95
    And you're going to do that... by posting oven memes and hosting ineffectual protests ala Dickie Spencer?

    Get your mind out of the oven.
    I mean in the court of public opinion by finally seeing the crimes they commit and if not that, then justice will be served in the Biblical (NT) sense in this world or the next.

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    1) I think you vastly overestimate the average person's intelligence and personal involvement in politics.

    2) You know Jesus was a literal magic Jew, right? And that the first Christians were Jews?
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  124. MEexpert says:
    @Avery
    [Talha]: {Hey MEexpert, Do they wear anything in the UAE? ‘Cause let me tell you, I’ve heard some stories…}

    My English is not as good as Talha's, but I take that to mean.......they don't wear any clothing in UAE (?).

    So........about thems apples and oranges.
    According to [Talha], a Muslim in good standing, certain people in UAE do not wear clothing, or at least very little clothing.
    Yet, a woman is arrested for getting pregnant: not for public sex, but because she - not being married - committed a 'crime' by getting pregnant while not married.

    In what universe does your so-called ME expertise compare oranges to dates. (Dates: get it ? Middles East, camels, palms, dates...)

    You still didn’t answer my question. I guess you didn’t recognize the apples. You must have thought they were dates. For your information, my point was that in UAE westerners wear almost whatever they want.

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    Was there a question?
    A Westerner, a Ukrainian woman, was jailed for getting pregnant.
    JAILED: get it?

    Who the heck cares about clothing?
    A Western woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads for the 'crime' of getting pregnant outside of marriage.

    You can boast about clothing and such till the camels come home.
    Fact is, the poor woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads.

    As-salāmu ʿalaykum.
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  125. Avery says:
    @Talha
    Hey Avery,

    Look up videos or photos for; UAE nightlife/night clubs.

    'Nuff said.

    One thing though- Sharjah is the more religious of the Emirates and does enforce a dress code - but it is not at the hijab level from what I know - more like banning miniskirts and such.
    http://m.gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/of-dress-codes-and-social-values-in-sharjah-1.1141054

    Peace.

    Yo, Talha:

    No, you look up the stories of foreigners arrested and thrown in jail in UAE.
    The Ukrainian woman was arrested and jailed for getting pregnant.
    Do you dispute that?

    “‘Nuff said” indeed.

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    Yo Avery,

    Do you dispute that?
     
    Nope. Do you dispute they are allowed to dress like skanks?

    Seems like a pretty stupid policy, eh? Allow women to dress slutty and then enforce morality on them against fornication. Sounds pretty bipolar actually.

    It's akin to me leaving cookies all around my house and then punishing my kids for eating them and skipping dinner.

    As for some other stuff...

    Who the heck cares about clothing?
     
    mr. anonymous on post #68 kick-started this.

    the ‘crime’ of getting pregnant outside of marriage
     
    Of course this is a moral crime - the vast majority of Christians would have agreed historically. The question is; should it be punished? The scholars already debated things like allowing the Zoroastrian practice of xvetodah/khwetodah and the majority ruled that Muslim rulers had no business interdicting the practice.

    medieval
     
    This is a pejorative in Christian and European circles for good reason. Not so for traditional Muslims. If more Muslims had a medieval mindset, we wouldn't be dealing with half the problems we are now.

    Peace.
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    @MEexpert
    You still didn't answer my question. I guess you didn't recognize the apples. You must have thought they were dates. For your information, my point was that in UAE westerners wear almost whatever they want.

    Was there a question?
    A Westerner, a Ukrainian woman, was jailed for getting pregnant.
    JAILED: get it?

    Who the heck cares about clothing?
    A Western woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads for the ‘crime’ of getting pregnant outside of marriage.

    You can boast about clothing and such till the camels come home.
    Fact is, the poor woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads.

    As-salāmu ʿalaykum.

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    A Western woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads for the ‘crime’ of getting pregnant outside of marriage.
     
    What part of "illegal" don't you understand? If it is illegal in the UAE to have extramarital sex, then if you get caught you are punished. What is so difficult for you to understand?

    You are horrified that a western woman was jailed for getting pregnant outside of marriage. Why is it so different from getting jailed for having multiple wives, as in Utah, Texas and other places. But I suppose it is OK to have multiple "girl friends" because we are "civilized."
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  127. @MEexpert

    That’s a slap in our face isn’t it?
     
    You mean it is better to run around, fully or half, naked then, heaven forbid, fully clothed and wearing a scarf.

    Tell me what happened when they went to Israel and Rome. Why did Trump (he is not Jewish)wear Kipa on his head in Israel and Ivonka wore a scarf in front of the Pope? Ivonka is not catholic. Oh, no wait. That show of defiance only applies in Muslim countries. Right.

    Hi MExpert, anything Muslims do is offensive. Because the cabal MSM and Hollywood says so. This dress code offense doesn’t count for the Orthodox Jewess, Catholic nuns, the Amish, Hindus, Ethiopians, or those who visit the Pope and a lot of other cultures as long as they are not Muslims!
    Few years ago, France (the first land of “liberty”), wanted to ban slaughter of animals in a “Halal” way, the problem was Jews do practice a similar ritual. France’s excuse was “inhumane” . Stupid excuse for such an “educated and advanced” civilized nation, forgetting that in their slaughter houses, where the pig is electrocuted, the current shocks all the animals behind, up and over fifteen of them, the shock gets more intense as they approach the rods. Imagine the pain they go thru before their demise. But it’s Muslims who are cruel and inhumane by cutting the throat and resulting in instant death. They didn’t think this thru, what about hunting, when you injured an animal that gets away, but suffers for hours if not days before it dies. Hypocrites is what we are…………………………..

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  128. Ace says:
    @TG
    Many excellent thoughts here.

    I would say that the core of the rot is that our elites are (perhaps terminally) both corrupt and insane. Democracy is hardly more than an illusion: what do the people with real money and power want? In the past our elites, though surely nepotistic and arrogant and not at all averse to feeding from the public trough, had at least some sense of responsibility to the nation as a whole - if only because they wanted their children and grandchildren to inherit it.

    But now our elites are totally out of control. They have no concern for the nation as a whole: many are dual citizens of other nations that are more important to them, but most think of nations as obsolete and the Untied States as just a place to make money and if it runs dry they will simply move on. Vast fortunes are made on inflated military contracting and bank bailouts and subsidies and government-guaranteed loans (so much for the discipline of the market! That's only for little people). They confuse a long resume with true expertise, they fail utterly and call it 'making the hard decisions,' they suffer no negative consequences for their mistakes... They confuse their extensive college education with wisdom and come up with ever more elaborate and impractical plans, and never learn from experience. They are surrounded by sycophants, and a press that has concentrated into a handful of monopolies and only reports what it is told to report by the owners...

    No I don't know what to do about this either. But if the people in charge are not on our side, democracy won't matter. Witness the current failure of the Trump administration to execute on what was pledged during the campaign... just as with Obama in 2008, and Dubya in 2000...

    Maybe the old monarchists had a point. Democracy is a sham that privatizes power and socializes the blame. Perhaps we should be more up front that our true rulers - the Koch brothers, Bill Gates, the CEO's of the big banks, etc. - are responsible for what is going on, not the general public. It is their manifesto that the shared national interest doesn't matter, only personal greed and self-fulfillment, that has poisoned our body politic.

    Remember that Italian cruise ship captain that abandoned his ship and passengers when it began to sink? Disgusting, yes? I would propose that any American with real power - like maybe a net worth over billion - that they and their heirs (to the fourth generation) never be allowed to leave the country even it goes up in flames. So that perhaps their thoughts could be more properly concentrated.

    A most insightful comment about elite detachment.

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  129. Ace says:
    @mcohen
    the 23 the July 2017 will see the beginning of the retreat of Russian forces from syria.they will have no reason to stay
    this in turn will leave Iran with no choice but to withdraw including allied militia.

    What time?

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  130. Ace says:
    @Greg Bacon
    It's difficult to defeat an enemy like ISIS when they have an unlimited supply of Saudi money; an unlimited supply of US weapons and get freshly trained recruits poured into battle from Jordan and Turkey.
    And US air support.

    The US has utterly debased itself in Syria. Everything we have done there is founded on lies.

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  131. Ace says:
    @Kiza
    As far as I am aware, ISIS was created by US Gen Petreus, when he bought out anti-US Sunni insurgency made up of fired Saddam's military officers in Iraq with palletloads of US$ flown in from US Threausury. The Sunni insurgency stopped attacking US troops in Iraq and used the money as a seed capital to start establishing the caliphate in Iraq and Syria. After the seed capital, the sources of financing became the Saudis, stealing, racketeering and the sales of stolen oil.

    Whether ISIS got any help from Mossad, CIA and MI6 is not provable, as it should not be, but it is clear that these organisations were helping out and IDF and Pentagon were not far behind. USAF has been hitting some marginal ISIS targets and making the usual loud media fuss about it, but it was not before the Russians cut oil selling that anybody hurt ISIS seriously. There is a famous online video of ISIS brand new white Toyota pick ups moving through the desert under the protection of Apache helicopters.

    Some enemies.

    @2:52 and earlier:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KFFb5E22TvE

    Still, very indistinct images.

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  132. Ace says:
    @Talha
    Nice - so your contention is Saudi Arabian Islam (specifically the brand that took over from the Najd area - which is heterodox from the traditional Sunni Orthodox) IS official Islam.

    Good luck getting traction with that one for anybody who knows anything about Islam.

    hadn’t bombed or invaded anyone yet were slaughtered anyway
     
    Yeah - and people like them just killed a bunch of Muslim kids enjoying ice cream in Baghdad after a fast in Ramadan:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/30/baghdad-blast-isis-militants-detonate-bomb-outside-popular-ice-cream-shop-15-dead.html

    Your point exactly? That our extremists are - shock of shocks - bad people? That they kill innocent people?

    Peace.

    “People like them” as in ISIS or “a militia group.”

    Sorry, Talha. No Christian suicide or car bombers.

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    Hey Ace,

    Yeah, I was referring to Daesh - sorry if it was unclear.

    No Christian suicide or car bombers.
     
    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have "shock and awe" and drones?

    But you are right; I haven't heard anything out of Belfast or Oklahoma City for a while.

    Peace.
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  133. MEexpert says:
    @Avery
    Was there a question?
    A Westerner, a Ukrainian woman, was jailed for getting pregnant.
    JAILED: get it?

    Who the heck cares about clothing?
    A Western woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads for the 'crime' of getting pregnant outside of marriage.

    You can boast about clothing and such till the camels come home.
    Fact is, the poor woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads.

    As-salāmu ʿalaykum.

    A Western woman was jailed by the medieval desert nomads for the ‘crime’ of getting pregnant outside of marriage.

    What part of “illegal” don’t you understand? If it is illegal in the UAE to have extramarital sex, then if you get caught you are punished. What is so difficult for you to understand?

    You are horrified that a western woman was jailed for getting pregnant outside of marriage. Why is it so different from getting jailed for having multiple wives, as in Utah, Texas and other places. But I suppose it is OK to have multiple “girl friends” because we are “civilized.”

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  134. rw95 says:
    @Z-man
    Get your mind out of the oven.
    I mean in the court of public opinion by finally seeing the crimes they commit and if not that, then justice will be served in the Biblical (NT) sense in this world or the next.

    1) I think you vastly overestimate the average person’s intelligence and personal involvement in politics.

    2) You know Jesus was a literal magic Jew, right? And that the first Christians were Jews?

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    1) I think you vastly overestimate the average person’s intelligence and personal involvement in politics.
     
    You pray to your god, Satan that that stays true.

    2) You know Jesus was a literal magic Jew, right? And that the first Christians were Jews?
     
    Jesus is the Son of God. He was a Galilean and there are questions as to how 'Jewish' the early Christians were.
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  135. Talha says:
    @Avery
    Yo, Talha:

    No, you look up the stories of foreigners arrested and thrown in jail in UAE.
    The Ukrainian woman was arrested and jailed for getting pregnant.
    Do you dispute that?

    "‘Nuff said" indeed.

    Yo Avery,

    Do you dispute that?

    Nope. Do you dispute they are allowed to dress like skanks?

    Seems like a pretty stupid policy, eh? Allow women to dress slutty and then enforce morality on them against fornication. Sounds pretty bipolar actually.

    It’s akin to me leaving cookies all around my house and then punishing my kids for eating them and skipping dinner.

    As for some other stuff…

    Who the heck cares about clothing?

    mr. anonymous on post #68 kick-started this.

    the ‘crime’ of getting pregnant outside of marriage

    Of course this is a moral crime – the vast majority of Christians would have agreed historically. The question is; should it be punished? The scholars already debated things like allowing the Zoroastrian practice of xvetodah/khwetodah and the majority ruled that Muslim rulers had no business interdicting the practice.

    medieval

    This is a pejorative in Christian and European circles for good reason. Not so for traditional Muslims. If more Muslims had a medieval mindset, we wouldn’t be dealing with half the problems we are now.

    Peace.

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  136. Talha says:
    @Ace
    "People like them" as in ISIS or "a militia group."

    Sorry, Talha. No Christian suicide or car bombers.

    Hey Ace,

    Yeah, I was referring to Daesh – sorry if it was unclear.

    No Christian suicide or car bombers.

    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?

    But you are right; I haven’t heard anything out of Belfast or Oklahoma City for a while.

    Peace.

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    "Christians" control the U.S. government?

    Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?
     
    Beats me. Why don't you ask the Saudis?

    This is a pejorative in Christian and European circles for good reason.
     
    And the good reason is?

    Not so for traditional Muslims.
     
    Really. So no Muslims have ever criticized Muslim governments of the middle ages, or called for the abolition of slavery, etc. Ah, but, I suppose, they weren't "traditional". Not many "traditional" Muslims left, then. Pity.

    Apologies for trollishness but merited imo.
    , @RSDB
    Several points made poorly or rudely above:

    You seem to assume that the Iraq war war a war between "Christians" and "Muslims" as such. To say this is not the case is such a massive understatement that to call it a massive understatement is a massive understatement.

    The Christian community in Iraq could do with some drones of their own, perhaps?

    That Islam (perverted Islam according to you, true according to them; it's not my religion to judge) produces nutcases of this kind or rather channels some of its nutcases into this kind of thing to an extent not seen in other religions is really not debatable. It has, further, no evidentiary value as to the truth or falsity of any Islamic tenet.

    "Medieval" is a foolish insult directed at Christians, Muslims, or anybody else. Universities are medieval: perhaps we should abolish them to spare ourselves the reproof of "medievalism"? Sheer idiocy.

    The UAE case is particularly strange because the couple were apparently engaged to be married, and it seems that by detaining them until their marriage this marriage is actually delayed. More sheer idiocy if true.

    You haven't responded to that anecdote posted on the Buchanan story (#28) showing Muslims and homosexuals working together in Canada on a common agenda deleterious to their hosts. It is obvious that you condemn this, but it does show that "Priss's" original point had some validity. The other reply (#47) is also interesting and shows another sense to the same remark.
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  137. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Hey Ace,

    Yeah, I was referring to Daesh - sorry if it was unclear.

    No Christian suicide or car bombers.
     
    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have "shock and awe" and drones?

    But you are right; I haven't heard anything out of Belfast or Oklahoma City for a while.

    Peace.

    “Christians” control the U.S. government?

    Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?

    Beats me. Why don’t you ask the Saudis?

    This is a pejorative in Christian and European circles for good reason.

    And the good reason is?

    Not so for traditional Muslims.

    Really. So no Muslims have ever criticized Muslim governments of the middle ages, or called for the abolition of slavery, etc. Ah, but, I suppose, they weren’t “traditional”. Not many “traditional” Muslims left, then. Pity.

    Apologies for trollishness but merited imo.

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    “Christians” control the U.S. government?
     
    Yes. What do you assert, that Hindus do?

    So no Muslims have ever criticized Muslim governments of the middle ages
     
    Of course the scholars did - often being sent to jail or being tortured or exiled for speaking against the government. Each of the founders of the four Sunni Orthodox schools of law were all persecuted by Ummayyad or Abbassid governments - it was almost a right of passage.

    When I speak of medieval, I'm speaking about the ethos propounded by the scholarship. Muslim rulers were often hardly representative of the tradition.


    or called for the abolition of slavery
     
    Why would they? The Muslim world (from Egypt to India) was run by slave kings for centuries (often more capably than free men).
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mamluk

    Peace.

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  138. Talha says:
    @Anonymous
    "Christians" control the U.S. government?

    Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?
     
    Beats me. Why don't you ask the Saudis?

    This is a pejorative in Christian and European circles for good reason.
     
    And the good reason is?

    Not so for traditional Muslims.
     
    Really. So no Muslims have ever criticized Muslim governments of the middle ages, or called for the abolition of slavery, etc. Ah, but, I suppose, they weren't "traditional". Not many "traditional" Muslims left, then. Pity.

    Apologies for trollishness but merited imo.

    “Christians” control the U.S. government?

    Yes. What do you assert, that Hindus do?

    So no Muslims have ever criticized Muslim governments of the middle ages

    Of course the scholars did – often being sent to jail or being tortured or exiled for speaking against the government. Each of the founders of the four Sunni Orthodox schools of law were all persecuted by Ummayyad or Abbassid governments – it was almost a right of passage.

    When I speak of medieval, I’m speaking about the ethos propounded by the scholarship. Muslim rulers were often hardly representative of the tradition.

    or called for the abolition of slavery

    Why would they? The Muslim world (from Egypt to India) was run by slave kings for centuries (often more capably than free men).

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mamluk

    Peace.

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    Yes. What do you assert, that Hindus do?
     
    No. Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity, as should be obvious to anyone not simply making tendentious points. Which you don't normally do.

    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?*

    When I speak of medieval, I’m speaking about the ethos propounded by the scholarship.
     
    Good. You should have simply said that then.

    Why would they?
     
    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, apparently.

    right of passage
     
    Rite of passage.

    *In Iraq; the sentence is unnecessarily ambiguous.
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  139. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Hey Ace,

    Yeah, I was referring to Daesh - sorry if it was unclear.

    No Christian suicide or car bombers.
     
    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have "shock and awe" and drones?

    But you are right; I haven't heard anything out of Belfast or Oklahoma City for a while.

    Peace.

    Several points made poorly or rudely above:

    You seem to assume that the Iraq war war a war between “Christians” and “Muslims” as such. To say this is not the case is such a massive understatement that to call it a massive understatement is a massive understatement.

    The Christian community in Iraq could do with some drones of their own, perhaps?

    That Islam (perverted Islam according to you, true according to them; it’s not my religion to judge) produces nutcases of this kind or rather channels some of its nutcases into this kind of thing to an extent not seen in other religions is really not debatable. It has, further, no evidentiary value as to the truth or falsity of any Islamic tenet.

    “Medieval” is a foolish insult directed at Christians, Muslims, or anybody else. Universities are medieval: perhaps we should abolish them to spare ourselves the reproof of “medievalism”? Sheer idiocy.

    The UAE case is particularly strange because the couple were apparently engaged to be married, and it seems that by detaining them until their marriage this marriage is actually delayed. More sheer idiocy if true.

    You haven’t responded to that anecdote posted on the Buchanan story (#28) showing Muslims and homosexuals working together in Canada on a common agenda deleterious to their hosts. It is obvious that you condemn this, but it does show that “Priss’s” original point had some validity. The other reply (#47) is also interesting and shows another sense to the same remark.

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    Hey RSDB,

    You seem to assume that the Iraq war war a war between “Christians” and “Muslims” as such.
     
    It is and it isn't. Just as the war between the British and Ottomans against the Russians was a war between a "Christian" + "Muslim" vs "Christian" as well as British + Ottomans vs Russians.

    rather channels some of its nutcases into this kind of thing to an extent not seen in other religions is really not debatable
     
    Agreed - not any more anyway. This is a big problem. We seem to be the only ones left standing that take our religious precepts fairly seriously. A certain percentage are going to go extreme. This happens every few centuries or so in our history - it's actually a known bug. The first set of extremists were the Khawarij:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kharijite

    There were also Almohads, Qarmatis, etc.

    When other religions were taken more seriously by their people, they also tended to produce groups of zealots once in a while. Those religions have now taken a backseat to (post)modernity. Sure, you have extremist Christian groups like the LRA, but I agree, we have the biggest share of the extremist pie.


    It has, further, no evidentiary value as to the truth or falsity of any Islamic tenet.
     
    Not sure what this means here.

    More sheer idiocy if true.
     
    Agreed.

    Muslims and homosexuals working together in Canada on a common agenda deleterious to their hosts
     
    I remember working with homosexuals and atheists in UCLA in trying to bring an end to the sanctions on Iraq. So that kind of stuff, or feeding the homeless, etc. is all good. As far as gay rights - this one is tricky. Traditionally, Muslims don't care to delve into non-Muslim practices or proscribe them. If Christians or others think it's OK for gay people to marry - not our problem - we are only concerned with policing Muslims. Like the xvetodah example I brought up earlier. These are internal Christian or others' affairs. If you want to read a good article on the subject, I suggest this one:
    http://almadinainstitute.org/blog/incest-widow-burning-how-much-can-muslims-stomach/

    If you want to stop gay marriage or gay pride parades, the solution is straight forward - declare the US or other Western states to be based on Christianity and promote Christianity as the state religion. Then promulgate laws based on Christian legal frameworks - of course, you'll have to choose which interpretation of Christianity is ascendant (see how Russia shut down Jehovah's Witnesses) otherwise there will be Christian gay marriage as is OK with certain churches. If you want secularism, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

    Peace.

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  140. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    “Christians” control the U.S. government?
     
    Yes. What do you assert, that Hindus do?

    So no Muslims have ever criticized Muslim governments of the middle ages
     
    Of course the scholars did - often being sent to jail or being tortured or exiled for speaking against the government. Each of the founders of the four Sunni Orthodox schools of law were all persecuted by Ummayyad or Abbassid governments - it was almost a right of passage.

    When I speak of medieval, I'm speaking about the ethos propounded by the scholarship. Muslim rulers were often hardly representative of the tradition.


    or called for the abolition of slavery
     
    Why would they? The Muslim world (from Egypt to India) was run by slave kings for centuries (often more capably than free men).
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mamluk

    Peace.

    Yes. What do you assert, that Hindus do?

    No. Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity, as should be obvious to anyone not simply making tendentious points. Which you don’t normally do.

    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?*

    When I speak of medieval, I’m speaking about the ethos propounded by the scholarship.

    Good. You should have simply said that then.

    Why would they?

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, apparently.

    right of passage

    Rite of passage.

    *In Iraq; the sentence is unnecessarily ambiguous.

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    Hey RSDB,

    Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity
     
    This is opinion asserted as fact. GW Bush was very outwardly and practicing Christian and so are many of the politicians and Supreme Court judges. You may not like their style, but they are Christian and claim to be so. Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation - you can go down the line and check.
    http://www.house.gov/representatives/

    So, while I agree with you that many policies have little semblance to Christianity (at least historically given what we know about the Son of Mary [pbuh]) - the government is mostly run by Christians - which is what I asserted (not that Thomas Aquinas or Augustine would approve).


    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?
     
    Can't have your cake and eat it too. So was it a Christian conquest or not? If it was, then sure, that would have been sound policy to make them dhimmis in reverse - otherwise not. This of course would have been fine back in the day of the gun-powder empires, but is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory. Of course, you'd then have annexed Iraq as a part of the US too...here comes trouble.

    You should have simply said that then.
     
    Good point.

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, apparently.
     
    Sure, point was, why would one necessarily expect the same results given completely different historical experiences? And there were actual individual movements (independently within the Muslim world) toward ending the slave trade or ameliorating conditions, but I wouldn't call that abolition per se. Though there were exceptions to the rule like Futa Toro Sultanate under the scholar-ruler Abdul Kader Kane (ra) who abolished it in his realm.

    Rite of passage.
     
    Thanks.

    Peace.

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  141. Talha says:
    @RSDB
    Several points made poorly or rudely above:

    You seem to assume that the Iraq war war a war between "Christians" and "Muslims" as such. To say this is not the case is such a massive understatement that to call it a massive understatement is a massive understatement.

    The Christian community in Iraq could do with some drones of their own, perhaps?

    That Islam (perverted Islam according to you, true according to them; it's not my religion to judge) produces nutcases of this kind or rather channels some of its nutcases into this kind of thing to an extent not seen in other religions is really not debatable. It has, further, no evidentiary value as to the truth or falsity of any Islamic tenet.

    "Medieval" is a foolish insult directed at Christians, Muslims, or anybody else. Universities are medieval: perhaps we should abolish them to spare ourselves the reproof of "medievalism"? Sheer idiocy.

    The UAE case is particularly strange because the couple were apparently engaged to be married, and it seems that by detaining them until their marriage this marriage is actually delayed. More sheer idiocy if true.

    You haven't responded to that anecdote posted on the Buchanan story (#28) showing Muslims and homosexuals working together in Canada on a common agenda deleterious to their hosts. It is obvious that you condemn this, but it does show that "Priss's" original point had some validity. The other reply (#47) is also interesting and shows another sense to the same remark.

    Hey RSDB,

    You seem to assume that the Iraq war war a war between “Christians” and “Muslims” as such.

    It is and it isn’t. Just as the war between the British and Ottomans against the Russians was a war between a “Christian” + “Muslim” vs “Christian” as well as British + Ottomans vs Russians.

    rather channels some of its nutcases into this kind of thing to an extent not seen in other religions is really not debatable

    Agreed – not any more anyway. This is a big problem. We seem to be the only ones left standing that take our religious precepts fairly seriously. A certain percentage are going to go extreme. This happens every few centuries or so in our history – it’s actually a known bug. The first set of extremists were the Khawarij:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kharijite

    There were also Almohads, Qarmatis, etc.

    When other religions were taken more seriously by their people, they also tended to produce groups of zealots once in a while. Those religions have now taken a backseat to (post)modernity. Sure, you have extremist Christian groups like the LRA, but I agree, we have the biggest share of the extremist pie.

    It has, further, no evidentiary value as to the truth or falsity of any Islamic tenet.

    Not sure what this means here.

    More sheer idiocy if true.

    Agreed.

    Muslims and homosexuals working together in Canada on a common agenda deleterious to their hosts

    I remember working with homosexuals and atheists in UCLA in trying to bring an end to the sanctions on Iraq. So that kind of stuff, or feeding the homeless, etc. is all good. As far as gay rights – this one is tricky. Traditionally, Muslims don’t care to delve into non-Muslim practices or proscribe them. If Christians or others think it’s OK for gay people to marry – not our problem – we are only concerned with policing Muslims. Like the xvetodah example I brought up earlier. These are internal Christian or others’ affairs. If you want to read a good article on the subject, I suggest this one:

    http://almadinainstitute.org/blog/incest-widow-burning-how-much-can-muslims-stomach/

    If you want to stop gay marriage or gay pride parades, the solution is straight forward – declare the US or other Western states to be based on Christianity and promote Christianity as the state religion. Then promulgate laws based on Christian legal frameworks – of course, you’ll have to choose which interpretation of Christianity is ascendant (see how Russia shut down Jehovah’s Witnesses) otherwise there will be Christian gay marriage as is OK with certain churches. If you want secularism, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

    Peace.

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    gay pride parades
     
    Honestly I don't give a d--n about parades; the limits of public obscenity need debate but that was not the topic.

    feeding the homeless
     
    Evidently you have not read the reference. The remainder of your reply suffers accordingly.

    Not sure what this means here.
     
    What it says. Crazies don't mean the religion is false. That you have more crazies of that kind than other religions doesn't mean the religion is false. Nor does it mean that Muslims are more religious than other people, or that their religion is true.

    We seem to be the only ones left standing that take our religious precepts fairly seriously.
     
    I can see your point of view though I disagree of course.
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  142. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    Yes. What do you assert, that Hindus do?
     
    No. Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity, as should be obvious to anyone not simply making tendentious points. Which you don't normally do.

    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?*

    When I speak of medieval, I’m speaking about the ethos propounded by the scholarship.
     
    Good. You should have simply said that then.

    Why would they?
     
    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, apparently.

    right of passage
     
    Rite of passage.

    *In Iraq; the sentence is unnecessarily ambiguous.

    Hey RSDB,

    Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity

    This is opinion asserted as fact. GW Bush was very outwardly and practicing Christian and so are many of the politicians and Supreme Court judges. You may not like their style, but they are Christian and claim to be so. Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation – you can go down the line and check.

    http://www.house.gov/representatives/

    So, while I agree with you that many policies have little semblance to Christianity (at least historically given what we know about the Son of Mary [pbuh]) – the government is mostly run by Christians – which is what I asserted (not that Thomas Aquinas or Augustine would approve).

    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?

    Can’t have your cake and eat it too. So was it a Christian conquest or not? If it was, then sure, that would have been sound policy to make them dhimmis in reverse – otherwise not. This of course would have been fine back in the day of the gun-powder empires, but is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory. Of course, you’d then have annexed Iraq as a part of the US too…here comes trouble.

    You should have simply said that then.

    Good point.

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, apparently.

    Sure, point was, why would one necessarily expect the same results given completely different historical experiences? And there were actual individual movements (independently within the Muslim world) toward ending the slave trade or ameliorating conditions, but I wouldn’t call that abolition per se. Though there were exceptions to the rule like Futa Toro Sultanate under the scholar-ruler Abdul Kader Kane (ra) who abolished it in his realm.

    Rite of passage.

    Thanks.

    Peace.

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    is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory.
     
    Which? Nothing about democracy in there.

    Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
     
    No, just being tendentious. Obviously the Iraq war was not undertaken for Christian purposes, and I don't think the course mentioned would have been a good idea*. It would not have been a Christian or an un-Christian idea as Christianity is not a method of government.

    asserted as fact
     
    Not really, just tendentious bloviation. But that the U.S. is not run on Christian principles is fact.

    Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation – you can go down the line and check.
     

    Most (well, many, I haven't counted) of the "Catholics" in high positions have incurred excommunication latae sententiae whether the sentence is enforced or not.
    Bashar al-Assad declares himself a Muslim, but I believe you disagree with that characterization.

    All this is really beside the point, though...


    which is what I asserted
     
    You didn't assert, except by implication, in your phrase:

    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?,

    which implication is that there would be Christian suicide bombers in Baghdad but for the fact that Americans are doing the work for them, which is silly and tendentious, as, I admit, was pretty much everything I said.

    *Though probably a better idea than what we did do.

    , @MEexpert

    So, while I agree with you that many policies have little semblance to Christianity (at least historically given what we know about the Son of Mary [pbuh]) – the government is mostly run by Christians – which is what I asserted (not that Thomas Aquinas or Augustine would approve).
     
    I disagree. The US government is run for Israel (Jews) and by Israel (Jews).
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  143. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    You seem to assume that the Iraq war war a war between “Christians” and “Muslims” as such.
     
    It is and it isn't. Just as the war between the British and Ottomans against the Russians was a war between a "Christian" + "Muslim" vs "Christian" as well as British + Ottomans vs Russians.

    rather channels some of its nutcases into this kind of thing to an extent not seen in other religions is really not debatable
     
    Agreed - not any more anyway. This is a big problem. We seem to be the only ones left standing that take our religious precepts fairly seriously. A certain percentage are going to go extreme. This happens every few centuries or so in our history - it's actually a known bug. The first set of extremists were the Khawarij:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kharijite

    There were also Almohads, Qarmatis, etc.

    When other religions were taken more seriously by their people, they also tended to produce groups of zealots once in a while. Those religions have now taken a backseat to (post)modernity. Sure, you have extremist Christian groups like the LRA, but I agree, we have the biggest share of the extremist pie.


    It has, further, no evidentiary value as to the truth or falsity of any Islamic tenet.
     
    Not sure what this means here.

    More sheer idiocy if true.
     
    Agreed.

    Muslims and homosexuals working together in Canada on a common agenda deleterious to their hosts
     
    I remember working with homosexuals and atheists in UCLA in trying to bring an end to the sanctions on Iraq. So that kind of stuff, or feeding the homeless, etc. is all good. As far as gay rights - this one is tricky. Traditionally, Muslims don't care to delve into non-Muslim practices or proscribe them. If Christians or others think it's OK for gay people to marry - not our problem - we are only concerned with policing Muslims. Like the xvetodah example I brought up earlier. These are internal Christian or others' affairs. If you want to read a good article on the subject, I suggest this one:
    http://almadinainstitute.org/blog/incest-widow-burning-how-much-can-muslims-stomach/

    If you want to stop gay marriage or gay pride parades, the solution is straight forward - declare the US or other Western states to be based on Christianity and promote Christianity as the state religion. Then promulgate laws based on Christian legal frameworks - of course, you'll have to choose which interpretation of Christianity is ascendant (see how Russia shut down Jehovah's Witnesses) otherwise there will be Christian gay marriage as is OK with certain churches. If you want secularism, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

    Peace.

    gay pride parades

    Honestly I don’t give a d–n about parades; the limits of public obscenity need debate but that was not the topic.

    feeding the homeless

    Evidently you have not read the reference. The remainder of your reply suffers accordingly.

    Not sure what this means here.

    What it says. Crazies don’t mean the religion is false. That you have more crazies of that kind than other religions doesn’t mean the religion is false. Nor does it mean that Muslims are more religious than other people, or that their religion is true.

    We seem to be the only ones left standing that take our religious precepts fairly seriously.

    I can see your point of view though I disagree of course.

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    Hey RSDB,

    Evidently you have not read the reference.
     
    No, I did. People don't understand our stance on millet-type arrangements or parallel legal systems.

    We don't necessarily see homosexual marriage as a threat to Islam since we have a well-developed legal framework in which the proposition of homosexual marriage is akin to that of incest - neither makes any sense in our framework.

    This is actually an internal Christian debate - you have to get your ducks in a row:
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/21/where-christian-churches-stand-on-gay-marriage/

    I could even see homosexual marriage happening in places like Jordan if the Christians want to change their own religious doctrine:
    "Religious courts have jurisdiction over all matters of 'personal status'. This includes most family law matters such as marriage, divorce, child custody, and adoption or guardianship. Consequently, there is no civil marriage or divorce in Jordan. Shari’a (Muslim religious law) applies to Muslims in these areas and a Shari’a court system exists to adjudicate disputes. Various Christian religious 'Councils' within the main Christian Sects (including Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Armenian Catholic) handle similar cases involving members of their church communities. The civil courts administer cases of other religious groups, including Protestants, usually applying the religious law of the closest religious community."
    https://jo.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/jordanian-legal-system/

    I can even possibly see gay pride parades allowed to happen within Christian quarters/enclaves - but no way in Muslim areas. You want to take your people to hell in a hand basket it's your choice; we don't have the jurisdiction to intervene*.

    Peace.

    *Note: In Pakistan, Christians tried to get a bill passed that ends their exemption from prohibition (as it is only applied to Muslims) - it did not succeed:
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/769238/christian-mnas-bill-to-ban-alcohol-consumption-gets-rejected/

    http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/detail.php?hnewsid=6199
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  144. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity
     
    This is opinion asserted as fact. GW Bush was very outwardly and practicing Christian and so are many of the politicians and Supreme Court judges. You may not like their style, but they are Christian and claim to be so. Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation - you can go down the line and check.
    http://www.house.gov/representatives/

    So, while I agree with you that many policies have little semblance to Christianity (at least historically given what we know about the Son of Mary [pbuh]) - the government is mostly run by Christians - which is what I asserted (not that Thomas Aquinas or Augustine would approve).


    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?
     
    Can't have your cake and eat it too. So was it a Christian conquest or not? If it was, then sure, that would have been sound policy to make them dhimmis in reverse - otherwise not. This of course would have been fine back in the day of the gun-powder empires, but is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory. Of course, you'd then have annexed Iraq as a part of the US too...here comes trouble.

    You should have simply said that then.
     
    Good point.

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, apparently.
     
    Sure, point was, why would one necessarily expect the same results given completely different historical experiences? And there were actual individual movements (independently within the Muslim world) toward ending the slave trade or ameliorating conditions, but I wouldn't call that abolition per se. Though there were exceptions to the rule like Futa Toro Sultanate under the scholar-ruler Abdul Kader Kane (ra) who abolished it in his realm.

    Rite of passage.
     
    Thanks.

    Peace.

    is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory.

    Which? Nothing about democracy in there.

    Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    No, just being tendentious. Obviously the Iraq war was not undertaken for Christian purposes, and I don’t think the course mentioned would have been a good idea*. It would not have been a Christian or an un-Christian idea as Christianity is not a method of government.

    asserted as fact

    Not really, just tendentious bloviation. But that the U.S. is not run on Christian principles is fact.

    Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation – you can go down the line and check.

    Most (well, many, I haven’t counted) of the “Catholics” in high positions have incurred excommunication latae sententiae whether the sentence is enforced or not.
    Bashar al-Assad declares himself a Muslim, but I believe you disagree with that characterization.

    All this is really beside the point, though…

    which is what I asserted

    You didn’t assert, except by implication, in your phrase:

    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?,

    which implication is that there would be Christian suicide bombers in Baghdad but for the fact that Americans are doing the work for them, which is silly and tendentious, as, I admit, was pretty much everything I said.

    *Though probably a better idea than what we did do.

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    Which?
     
    The ones about non-aggression.

    Bashar al-Assad declares himself a Muslim, but I believe you disagree with that characterization.
     
    My opinion on this matter is irrelevant - I am not capable of pronouncing a legal verdict on the matter. The vast majority of Muslims scholars have ruled that anyone who believes in Alawi doctrines (to the degree they can even be figured out) is not a Muslim. Assad has married a Sunni wife and been seen praying in a Sunni style behind a Sunni imam - I have no clue what he truly believes - God will be the judge.

    latae sententiae
     
    Is that your opinion or official RCC stance? Again, I respect the RCC enough to know not give credence to what any individual Catholic opines - any more than I consider the opinion of any joe-shmoe Muslim on religious verdicts.

    which implication is that there would be Christian suicide bombers in Baghdad but for the fact that Americans are doing the work for them, which is silly and tendentious
     
    Quite silly - the Christians in that area of the world abandoned their arms a while back. Their are notable exceptions in places like Lebanon and Palestine. That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that when we see aggression done by Christians around the world it is usually in the form of state-sanctioned violence.

    I am not saying that Christianity necessarily supports this violence (I have enough knowledge and respect for the Christian tradition to know better) - only that church-attending Christians are often pulling the trigger.

    I'll totally cop to being a bit tendentious in some of my replies.

    Peace.

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  145. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    gay pride parades
     
    Honestly I don't give a d--n about parades; the limits of public obscenity need debate but that was not the topic.

    feeding the homeless
     
    Evidently you have not read the reference. The remainder of your reply suffers accordingly.

    Not sure what this means here.
     
    What it says. Crazies don't mean the religion is false. That you have more crazies of that kind than other religions doesn't mean the religion is false. Nor does it mean that Muslims are more religious than other people, or that their religion is true.

    We seem to be the only ones left standing that take our religious precepts fairly seriously.
     
    I can see your point of view though I disagree of course.

    Hey RSDB,

    Evidently you have not read the reference.

    No, I did. People don’t understand our stance on millet-type arrangements or parallel legal systems.

    We don’t necessarily see homosexual marriage as a threat to Islam since we have a well-developed legal framework in which the proposition of homosexual marriage is akin to that of incest – neither makes any sense in our framework.

    This is actually an internal Christian debate – you have to get your ducks in a row:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/21/where-christian-churches-stand-on-gay-marriage/

    I could even see homosexual marriage happening in places like Jordan if the Christians want to change their own religious doctrine:
    “Religious courts have jurisdiction over all matters of ‘personal status’. This includes most family law matters such as marriage, divorce, child custody, and adoption or guardianship. Consequently, there is no civil marriage or divorce in Jordan. Shari’a (Muslim religious law) applies to Muslims in these areas and a Shari’a court system exists to adjudicate disputes. Various Christian religious ‘Councils’ within the main Christian Sects (including Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Armenian Catholic) handle similar cases involving members of their church communities. The civil courts administer cases of other religious groups, including Protestants, usually applying the religious law of the closest religious community.”

    https://jo.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/jordanian-legal-system/

    I can even possibly see gay pride parades allowed to happen within Christian quarters/enclaves – but no way in Muslim areas. You want to take your people to hell in a hand basket it’s your choice; we don’t have the jurisdiction to intervene*.

    Peace.

    *Note: In Pakistan, Christians tried to get a bill passed that ends their exemption from prohibition (as it is only applied to Muslims) – it did not succeed:

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/769238/christian-mnas-bill-to-ban-alcohol-consumption-gets-rejected/

    http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/detail.php?hnewsid=6199

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    No, I did. People don’t understand our stance on millet-type arrangements or parallel legal systems.
     
    Then you are obfuscating. Who gives a d--n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?

    This is actually an internal Christian debate
     
    It's also an internal Muslim debate:
    www.advocate.com/religion/2016/12/20/21-lgbt-muslims-who-are-changing-world , http://islamandhomosexuality.com/5-imams-openly-gay/

    I can even possibly see gay pride parades allowed to happen within Christian quarters/enclaves – but no way in Muslim areas.
     
    You don't get that choice in Toronto.

    OK. In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.

    You're saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole? That's certainly candid...
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  146. Talha says:
    @Anon

    is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory.
     
    Which? Nothing about democracy in there.

    Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
     
    No, just being tendentious. Obviously the Iraq war was not undertaken for Christian purposes, and I don't think the course mentioned would have been a good idea*. It would not have been a Christian or an un-Christian idea as Christianity is not a method of government.

    asserted as fact
     
    Not really, just tendentious bloviation. But that the U.S. is not run on Christian principles is fact.

    Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation – you can go down the line and check.
     

    Most (well, many, I haven't counted) of the "Catholics" in high positions have incurred excommunication latae sententiae whether the sentence is enforced or not.
    Bashar al-Assad declares himself a Muslim, but I believe you disagree with that characterization.

    All this is really beside the point, though...


    which is what I asserted
     
    You didn't assert, except by implication, in your phrase:

    Of course not. Why do that nonsense when you have “shock and awe” and drones?,

    which implication is that there would be Christian suicide bombers in Baghdad but for the fact that Americans are doing the work for them, which is silly and tendentious, as, I admit, was pretty much everything I said.

    *Though probably a better idea than what we did do.

    Which?

    The ones about non-aggression.

    Bashar al-Assad declares himself a Muslim, but I believe you disagree with that characterization.

    My opinion on this matter is irrelevant – I am not capable of pronouncing a legal verdict on the matter. The vast majority of Muslims scholars have ruled that anyone who believes in Alawi doctrines (to the degree they can even be figured out) is not a Muslim. Assad has married a Sunni wife and been seen praying in a Sunni style behind a Sunni imam – I have no clue what he truly believes – God will be the judge.

    latae sententiae

    Is that your opinion or official RCC stance? Again, I respect the RCC enough to know not give credence to what any individual Catholic opines – any more than I consider the opinion of any joe-shmoe Muslim on religious verdicts.

    which implication is that there would be Christian suicide bombers in Baghdad but for the fact that Americans are doing the work for them, which is silly and tendentious

    Quite silly – the Christians in that area of the world abandoned their arms a while back. Their are notable exceptions in places like Lebanon and Palestine. That wasn’t what I was saying. I was saying that when we see aggression done by Christians around the world it is usually in the form of state-sanctioned violence.

    I am not saying that Christianity necessarily supports this violence (I have enough knowledge and respect for the Christian tradition to know better) – only that church-attending Christians are often pulling the trigger.

    I’ll totally cop to being a bit tendentious in some of my replies.

    Peace.

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    The RCC doesn't maintain a dossier on politicians.
    Latae sententiae is as opposed to excommunication ferendae sententie incurred with or without a juridical decision to that effect; whether one is in such a condition when no such decision has been rendered is based on fact, much as the existence of a hurricane can be determined with or without the assistance of the National Weather Service. Though really it's nobody's business but the person's in question, there's no reason not to speculate on a random internet forum, any more than there is about OJ Simpson. (Spoiler: I think he probably did it.)

    And of course an excommunicate is not thereby non-Christian, but I think we've exhausted this topic...

    I was saying that when we see aggression done by Christians around the world it is usually in the form of state-sanctioned violence.
     
    I'm not sure, you'd have to compare it with street crime and drug violence. But as in previous replies you've essentially agreed with what pretty much everyone believes to be the sane position on such matters, I guess this was essentially a pardonable rhetorical flourish.

    My opinion on this matter is irrelevant
     
    Not to you.

    The ones about non-aggression.
     
    But the question was about well after invasion.
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  147. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    Evidently you have not read the reference.
     
    No, I did. People don't understand our stance on millet-type arrangements or parallel legal systems.

    We don't necessarily see homosexual marriage as a threat to Islam since we have a well-developed legal framework in which the proposition of homosexual marriage is akin to that of incest - neither makes any sense in our framework.

    This is actually an internal Christian debate - you have to get your ducks in a row:
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/21/where-christian-churches-stand-on-gay-marriage/

    I could even see homosexual marriage happening in places like Jordan if the Christians want to change their own religious doctrine:
    "Religious courts have jurisdiction over all matters of 'personal status'. This includes most family law matters such as marriage, divorce, child custody, and adoption or guardianship. Consequently, there is no civil marriage or divorce in Jordan. Shari’a (Muslim religious law) applies to Muslims in these areas and a Shari’a court system exists to adjudicate disputes. Various Christian religious 'Councils' within the main Christian Sects (including Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Armenian Catholic) handle similar cases involving members of their church communities. The civil courts administer cases of other religious groups, including Protestants, usually applying the religious law of the closest religious community."
    https://jo.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/jordanian-legal-system/

    I can even possibly see gay pride parades allowed to happen within Christian quarters/enclaves - but no way in Muslim areas. You want to take your people to hell in a hand basket it's your choice; we don't have the jurisdiction to intervene*.

    Peace.

    *Note: In Pakistan, Christians tried to get a bill passed that ends their exemption from prohibition (as it is only applied to Muslims) - it did not succeed:
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/769238/christian-mnas-bill-to-ban-alcohol-consumption-gets-rejected/

    http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/detail.php?hnewsid=6199

    No, I did. People don’t understand our stance on millet-type arrangements or parallel legal systems.

    Then you are obfuscating. Who gives a d–n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?

    This is actually an internal Christian debate

    It’s also an internal Muslim debate:
    http://www.advocate.com/religion/2016/12/20/21-lgbt-muslims-who-are-changing-world , http://islamandhomosexuality.com/5-imams-openly-gay/

    I can even possibly see gay pride parades allowed to happen within Christian quarters/enclaves – but no way in Muslim areas.

    You don’t get that choice in Toronto.

    OK. In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole? That’s certainly candid…

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    Hey RSDB,

    Then you are obfuscating.
     
    If you say so. I thought I made things pretty clear - maybe others understood.

    Who gives a d–n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?
     
    The homeless.

    It’s also an internal Muslim debate
     
    Correct, note where these imams are: Germany, France, US, etc. Post-modern melt-down.

    We actually don't have a problem with someone having homosexual tendencies; that has historically happened (some people just have certain urges). In fact, it might actually be that one or two of the Ottoman sultans was such. We have medieval jurists writing about how it is OK to pray behind an imam that has an attraction to the opposite gender. Everyone has their cross to bear - pardon the appropriation. The issue is about accepting the relationship and the act - can't be done. 1400 years of consensus says so.
    I have a simple question for these imams (and other like minded-Muslims). If they have the right to reject the conclusions of 1400 years of scholarship on a given matter - well, then doesn't Daesh have that right too? Why does reform have only one direction away from tradition?

    Secondly, it doesn't take much to be an imam really. To be a qualified jurist - that's another matter. On this, the qualified scholars and institutions around the world are holding their ground - alhamdulillah.

    You don’t get that choice in Toronto.
     
    True - one of the drawbacks to the current nation-state model in the West. Look, Muslims borrowed ideas from the West (parliamentary systems, constitutions, etc.), maybe it's time to borrow ideas from us.

    In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.
     
    And Muslim countries like Pakistan, Jordan, Iran have reserved parliamentary seats for non-Muslim minorities. In Pakistan, the non-Muslims are seeking to increase the number of reserved seats to match their growing population. These people vote for laws that affect everyone.

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole?
     
    No I'm saying Muslims have no divine sanction to apply Shariah law on others when it comes to matters like family law, business practices, etc. Do you really want Muslims to apply Shariah law on others? Take a serious moment to think about it.

    You have to answer a question; do you want a secular society or not? Then you have to accept the inevitable consequences because a homosexual, atheist, Muslim has the same rights as you.

    Peace.
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  148. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    Which?
     
    The ones about non-aggression.

    Bashar al-Assad declares himself a Muslim, but I believe you disagree with that characterization.
     
    My opinion on this matter is irrelevant - I am not capable of pronouncing a legal verdict on the matter. The vast majority of Muslims scholars have ruled that anyone who believes in Alawi doctrines (to the degree they can even be figured out) is not a Muslim. Assad has married a Sunni wife and been seen praying in a Sunni style behind a Sunni imam - I have no clue what he truly believes - God will be the judge.

    latae sententiae
     
    Is that your opinion or official RCC stance? Again, I respect the RCC enough to know not give credence to what any individual Catholic opines - any more than I consider the opinion of any joe-shmoe Muslim on religious verdicts.

    which implication is that there would be Christian suicide bombers in Baghdad but for the fact that Americans are doing the work for them, which is silly and tendentious
     
    Quite silly - the Christians in that area of the world abandoned their arms a while back. Their are notable exceptions in places like Lebanon and Palestine. That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that when we see aggression done by Christians around the world it is usually in the form of state-sanctioned violence.

    I am not saying that Christianity necessarily supports this violence (I have enough knowledge and respect for the Christian tradition to know better) - only that church-attending Christians are often pulling the trigger.

    I'll totally cop to being a bit tendentious in some of my replies.

    Peace.

    The RCC doesn’t maintain a dossier on politicians.
    Latae sententiae is as opposed to excommunication ferendae sententie incurred with or without a juridical decision to that effect; whether one is in such a condition when no such decision has been rendered is based on fact, much as the existence of a hurricane can be determined with or without the assistance of the National Weather Service. Though really it’s nobody’s business but the person’s in question, there’s no reason not to speculate on a random internet forum, any more than there is about OJ Simpson. (Spoiler: I think he probably did it.)

    And of course an excommunicate is not thereby non-Christian, but I think we’ve exhausted this topic…

    I was saying that when we see aggression done by Christians around the world it is usually in the form of state-sanctioned violence.

    I’m not sure, you’d have to compare it with street crime and drug violence. But as in previous replies you’ve essentially agreed with what pretty much everyone believes to be the sane position on such matters, I guess this was essentially a pardonable rhetorical flourish.

    My opinion on this matter is irrelevant

    Not to you.

    The ones about non-aggression.

    But the question was about well after invasion.

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    Hey RSDB,

    you’ve essentially agreed with what pretty much everyone believes to be the sane position on such matters
     
    Yeah - I'm glad most people on UNZ aren't the neocon types.

    Not to you.
     
    Making a claim on a religious matter (especially on whether someone is a Muslim or not) when one is unqualified is a sin*. I keep my mouth shut because I am not going to stand before God to answer for something I had no right to claim on behalf of the religion. This is why you will see me reference the rulings of our scholars - again and again. This is not a boy scout religion - its framework has been preserved for this long because it wasn't simply handed off to random people (like myself). People like Daesh don't get this - which is why we are seeing the type of trouble we are seeing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDVUcYaGbo

    But the question was about well after invasion.
     
    Sure, they could have attempted it. What do you seriously think would have happened? The Muslims would have gone along with having a 5% Christian minority foisted upon them by a foreign power?

    Peace.

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  149. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    No, I did. People don’t understand our stance on millet-type arrangements or parallel legal systems.
     
    Then you are obfuscating. Who gives a d--n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?

    This is actually an internal Christian debate
     
    It's also an internal Muslim debate:
    www.advocate.com/religion/2016/12/20/21-lgbt-muslims-who-are-changing-world , http://islamandhomosexuality.com/5-imams-openly-gay/

    I can even possibly see gay pride parades allowed to happen within Christian quarters/enclaves – but no way in Muslim areas.
     
    You don't get that choice in Toronto.

    OK. In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.

    You're saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole? That's certainly candid...

    Hey RSDB,

    Then you are obfuscating.

    If you say so. I thought I made things pretty clear – maybe others understood.

    Who gives a d–n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?

    The homeless.

    It’s also an internal Muslim debate

    Correct, note where these imams are: Germany, France, US, etc. Post-modern melt-down.

    We actually don’t have a problem with someone having homosexual tendencies; that has historically happened (some people just have certain urges). In fact, it might actually be that one or two of the Ottoman sultans was such. We have medieval jurists writing about how it is OK to pray behind an imam that has an attraction to the opposite gender. Everyone has their cross to bear – pardon the appropriation. The issue is about accepting the relationship and the act – can’t be done. 1400 years of consensus says so.
    I have a simple question for these imams (and other like minded-Muslims). If they have the right to reject the conclusions of 1400 years of scholarship on a given matter – well, then doesn’t Daesh have that right too? Why does reform have only one direction away from tradition?

    Secondly, it doesn’t take much to be an imam really. To be a qualified jurist – that’s another matter. On this, the qualified scholars and institutions around the world are holding their ground – alhamdulillah.

    You don’t get that choice in Toronto.

    True – one of the drawbacks to the current nation-state model in the West. Look, Muslims borrowed ideas from the West (parliamentary systems, constitutions, etc.), maybe it’s time to borrow ideas from us.

    In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.

    And Muslim countries like Pakistan, Jordan, Iran have reserved parliamentary seats for non-Muslim minorities. In Pakistan, the non-Muslims are seeking to increase the number of reserved seats to match their growing population. These people vote for laws that affect everyone.

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole?

    No I’m saying Muslims have no divine sanction to apply Shariah law on others when it comes to matters like family law, business practices, etc. Do you really want Muslims to apply Shariah law on others? Take a serious moment to think about it.

    You have to answer a question; do you want a secular society or not? Then you have to accept the inevitable consequences because a homosexual, atheist, Muslim has the same rights as you.

    Peace.

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    OK to pray behind an imam that has an attraction to the opposite gender
     
    Oops, I meant "same gender".
    , @RSDB

    If you say so. I thought I made things pretty clear – maybe others understood.
     
    Fair enough, I'm not "others" and perhaps I was unclear as well.

    The homeless.
     
    Obviously. But the relevance of this question to this topic is approximately zero. I'll take this as another rhetorical flourish.

    I have a simple question for these imams (and other like minded-Muslims). If they have the right to reject the conclusions of 1400 years of scholarship on a given matter – well, then doesn’t Daesh have that right too? Why does reform have only one direction away from tradition?
     
    Beats me. Ask them.

    Okay, that's being tendentious (on my part).

    Correct, note where these imams are: Germany, France, US, etc. Post-modern melt-down.
     
    Note where Elminyawi is. These are some of the Muslims who come under sharia law in your version of his system*?

    Do you really want Muslims to apply Shariah law on others?
     
    No, not any more than I want non-Catholics, or Catholics for that matter, to be forced to a Lenten fast. I don't want sharia law imposed in the US either.

    You have to answer a question; do you want a secular society or not?
     
    Not a yes/no question.**

    1400 years of consensus says so.
     
    So does 1950 years of consensus. What do you think of Ken Hechtman's conclusions on the matter?

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole?
     
    Note the situation: Elminyawi approved and campaigned for through the NLP a measure of positive harm for the Canadian community (I don't think you'd disagree), across all denominations including his own, in exchange (presumably) for favors later on to his community specifically on other matters.

    What would be your course of action in his place?

    And wouldn't you say that "Priss Factor" has been vindicated?


    *Under his version of his system, they come under Canadian law and marry each other if they like.

    **Also independent of the question; the question of homosexual marriage is pretty much a unique one to the modern West and Leviticus is far from the only reason to be against it.
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  150. Talha says:
    @RSDB
    The RCC doesn't maintain a dossier on politicians.
    Latae sententiae is as opposed to excommunication ferendae sententie incurred with or without a juridical decision to that effect; whether one is in such a condition when no such decision has been rendered is based on fact, much as the existence of a hurricane can be determined with or without the assistance of the National Weather Service. Though really it's nobody's business but the person's in question, there's no reason not to speculate on a random internet forum, any more than there is about OJ Simpson. (Spoiler: I think he probably did it.)

    And of course an excommunicate is not thereby non-Christian, but I think we've exhausted this topic...

    I was saying that when we see aggression done by Christians around the world it is usually in the form of state-sanctioned violence.
     
    I'm not sure, you'd have to compare it with street crime and drug violence. But as in previous replies you've essentially agreed with what pretty much everyone believes to be the sane position on such matters, I guess this was essentially a pardonable rhetorical flourish.

    My opinion on this matter is irrelevant
     
    Not to you.

    The ones about non-aggression.
     
    But the question was about well after invasion.

    Hey RSDB,

    you’ve essentially agreed with what pretty much everyone believes to be the sane position on such matters

    Yeah – I’m glad most people on UNZ aren’t the neocon types.

    Not to you.

    Making a claim on a religious matter (especially on whether someone is a Muslim or not) when one is unqualified is a sin*. I keep my mouth shut because I am not going to stand before God to answer for something I had no right to claim on behalf of the religion. This is why you will see me reference the rulings of our scholars – again and again. This is not a boy scout religion – its framework has been preserved for this long because it wasn’t simply handed off to random people (like myself). People like Daesh don’t get this – which is why we are seeing the type of trouble we are seeing:

    But the question was about well after invasion.

    Sure, they could have attempted it. What do you seriously think would have happened? The Muslims would have gone along with having a 5% Christian minority foisted upon them by a foreign power?

    Peace.

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    The Muslims would have gone along with having a 5% Christian minority foisted upon them by a foreign power?
     
    Well, it may have taken a bloody repression or two, but in the end, after a millennium or so, just like when the Muslims were a 5% minority ...

    Oops, I meant “same gender”.
     
    Hopefully the first one's okay too ...
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  151. Talha says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    Then you are obfuscating.
     
    If you say so. I thought I made things pretty clear - maybe others understood.

    Who gives a d–n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?
     
    The homeless.

    It’s also an internal Muslim debate
     
    Correct, note where these imams are: Germany, France, US, etc. Post-modern melt-down.

    We actually don't have a problem with someone having homosexual tendencies; that has historically happened (some people just have certain urges). In fact, it might actually be that one or two of the Ottoman sultans was such. We have medieval jurists writing about how it is OK to pray behind an imam that has an attraction to the opposite gender. Everyone has their cross to bear - pardon the appropriation. The issue is about accepting the relationship and the act - can't be done. 1400 years of consensus says so.
    I have a simple question for these imams (and other like minded-Muslims). If they have the right to reject the conclusions of 1400 years of scholarship on a given matter - well, then doesn't Daesh have that right too? Why does reform have only one direction away from tradition?

    Secondly, it doesn't take much to be an imam really. To be a qualified jurist - that's another matter. On this, the qualified scholars and institutions around the world are holding their ground - alhamdulillah.

    You don’t get that choice in Toronto.
     
    True - one of the drawbacks to the current nation-state model in the West. Look, Muslims borrowed ideas from the West (parliamentary systems, constitutions, etc.), maybe it's time to borrow ideas from us.

    In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.
     
    And Muslim countries like Pakistan, Jordan, Iran have reserved parliamentary seats for non-Muslim minorities. In Pakistan, the non-Muslims are seeking to increase the number of reserved seats to match their growing population. These people vote for laws that affect everyone.

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole?
     
    No I'm saying Muslims have no divine sanction to apply Shariah law on others when it comes to matters like family law, business practices, etc. Do you really want Muslims to apply Shariah law on others? Take a serious moment to think about it.

    You have to answer a question; do you want a secular society or not? Then you have to accept the inevitable consequences because a homosexual, atheist, Muslim has the same rights as you.

    Peace.

    OK to pray behind an imam that has an attraction to the opposite gender

    Oops, I meant “same gender”.

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  152. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    Then you are obfuscating.
     
    If you say so. I thought I made things pretty clear - maybe others understood.

    Who gives a d–n about working with homosexuals to feed the homeless?
     
    The homeless.

    It’s also an internal Muslim debate
     
    Correct, note where these imams are: Germany, France, US, etc. Post-modern melt-down.

    We actually don't have a problem with someone having homosexual tendencies; that has historically happened (some people just have certain urges). In fact, it might actually be that one or two of the Ottoman sultans was such. We have medieval jurists writing about how it is OK to pray behind an imam that has an attraction to the opposite gender. Everyone has their cross to bear - pardon the appropriation. The issue is about accepting the relationship and the act - can't be done. 1400 years of consensus says so.
    I have a simple question for these imams (and other like minded-Muslims). If they have the right to reject the conclusions of 1400 years of scholarship on a given matter - well, then doesn't Daesh have that right too? Why does reform have only one direction away from tradition?

    Secondly, it doesn't take much to be an imam really. To be a qualified jurist - that's another matter. On this, the qualified scholars and institutions around the world are holding their ground - alhamdulillah.

    You don’t get that choice in Toronto.
     
    True - one of the drawbacks to the current nation-state model in the West. Look, Muslims borrowed ideas from the West (parliamentary systems, constitutions, etc.), maybe it's time to borrow ideas from us.

    In Canada Elminyawi was granted permission as a Canadian to participate in the Canadian system of governance to ultimately make rules for all Canadians.
     
    And Muslim countries like Pakistan, Jordan, Iran have reserved parliamentary seats for non-Muslim minorities. In Pakistan, the non-Muslims are seeking to increase the number of reserved seats to match their growing population. These people vote for laws that affect everyone.

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole?
     
    No I'm saying Muslims have no divine sanction to apply Shariah law on others when it comes to matters like family law, business practices, etc. Do you really want Muslims to apply Shariah law on others? Take a serious moment to think about it.

    You have to answer a question; do you want a secular society or not? Then you have to accept the inevitable consequences because a homosexual, atheist, Muslim has the same rights as you.

    Peace.

    If you say so. I thought I made things pretty clear – maybe others understood.

    Fair enough, I’m not “others” and perhaps I was unclear as well.

    The homeless.

    Obviously. But the relevance of this question to this topic is approximately zero. I’ll take this as another rhetorical flourish.

    I have a simple question for these imams (and other like minded-Muslims). If they have the right to reject the conclusions of 1400 years of scholarship on a given matter – well, then doesn’t Daesh have that right too? Why does reform have only one direction away from tradition?

    Beats me. Ask them.

    Okay, that’s being tendentious (on my part).

    Correct, note where these imams are: Germany, France, US, etc. Post-modern melt-down.

    Note where Elminyawi is. These are some of the Muslims who come under sharia law in your version of his system*?

    Do you really want Muslims to apply Shariah law on others?

    No, not any more than I want non-Catholics, or Catholics for that matter, to be forced to a Lenten fast. I don’t want sharia law imposed in the US either.

    You have to answer a question; do you want a secular society or not?

    Not a yes/no question.**

    1400 years of consensus says so.

    So does 1950 years of consensus. What do you think of Ken Hechtman’s conclusions on the matter?

    You’re saying that in such a situation Muslims will put the interests of their community first, even at the expense of the community as a whole?

    Note the situation: Elminyawi approved and campaigned for through the NLP a measure of positive harm for the Canadian community (I don’t think you’d disagree), across all denominations including his own, in exchange (presumably) for favors later on to his community specifically on other matters.

    What would be your course of action in his place?

    And wouldn’t you say that “Priss Factor” has been vindicated?

    *Under his version of his system, they come under Canadian law and marry each other if they like.

    **Also independent of the question; the question of homosexual marriage is pretty much a unique one to the modern West and Leviticus is far from the only reason to be against it.

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  153. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    you’ve essentially agreed with what pretty much everyone believes to be the sane position on such matters
     
    Yeah - I'm glad most people on UNZ aren't the neocon types.

    Not to you.
     
    Making a claim on a religious matter (especially on whether someone is a Muslim or not) when one is unqualified is a sin*. I keep my mouth shut because I am not going to stand before God to answer for something I had no right to claim on behalf of the religion. This is why you will see me reference the rulings of our scholars - again and again. This is not a boy scout religion - its framework has been preserved for this long because it wasn't simply handed off to random people (like myself). People like Daesh don't get this - which is why we are seeing the type of trouble we are seeing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDVUcYaGbo

    But the question was about well after invasion.
     
    Sure, they could have attempted it. What do you seriously think would have happened? The Muslims would have gone along with having a 5% Christian minority foisted upon them by a foreign power?

    Peace.

    The Muslims would have gone along with having a 5% Christian minority foisted upon them by a foreign power?

    Well, it may have taken a bloody repression or two, but in the end, after a millennium or so, just like when the Muslims were a 5% minority …

    Oops, I meant “same gender”.

    Hopefully the first one’s okay too …

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    Hey RSDB,

    after a millennium or so, just like when the Muslims were a 5% minority
     
    True. The first generation of Muslims (aka Companions [ra]) - from whom we derive our praxis - were pretty good about leaving the non-Muslims alone to deal with their own matters (often establishing garrison towns completely away from population centers) as long as taxes were paid (jizya) and they didn't revolt - but yes, revolts were not tolerated. One must keep in mind, they often had the non-Muslims on their side. The Byzantines and Sassanids had a way of pissing off their subjects in various ways. It was not pleasant to have Muslim/Arab rulers, but - for some - it was a change for the better. Sometimes, entire armies defected to the Muslim side because...well, why would you remain loyal to the Sassanid crown?:
    “The Muslims now held these resources and were assisted by former members of the Sasanian army and administration who had defected. By 20/641 the organization of the military dīvān at Baṣra and Kūfa provided regular support for Muslim soldiers; by the 640s, Muslim armies based in Iraq were as well organized, provisioned, and equipped as the Sasanians themselves
    ...The Muslim conquest of Iran meant the eclipse of Iranian monarchic traditions except to the extent that these were adopted by Muslim Arab rulers and the loss of political support for Zoroastrians. However, Sasanian soldiers and local notables who defected to the Muslims, possibly as a consequence of local conflicts, secured a position in the new regime....Impecunious and arrogant, with a large retinue to support, Yazdegerd alienated the marzbān of Kermān and left for Sīstān just ahead of another Basran force, which defeated and killed the marzbān in heavy fighting. Having lost the support of the governor of Sīstān by demanding tax arrears, Yazdegerd headed for Marv."
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/arab-ii

    Hopefully the first one’s okay too …
     
    LOL - yeah!

    These are some of the Muslims who come under sharia law in your version of his system*?
     
    The rules of the Shariah only apply to Muslims. So here is where things get weird where the rubber hits the road. In a secular state, I'm not sure much can be done since it has a concept of a civil marriage. In a Muslim land there would be no sanction for the marriage (it has the same legal standing as me marrying my couch) - and possibly a punishment in attempting to get one. Basically in a secular state, Muslims could personally refuse to recognize it or officiate it. That's about all the legal power they have.

    So does 1950 years of consensus.
     
    Good - I'm all for traditional Christianity to be honest. I wish it would return to prominence. I just don't know if it has the capability to stop the deluge - the changes ushered in by the The Reformation are still ongoing. Which is one of the reasons why am extremely wary about any attempts at Islamic "Reformation" - once you break with 1400 years of tradition - well...anything is game.

    What do you think of Ken Hechtman’s conclusions on the matter?
     
    It depends on how the Muslim community goes. If they tend to go Modernist, then sure, it will start creeping in. If they stay traditional, where most are now - there is no compromise. Sometimes you got to put your foot down - it's not about feelz.

    What would be your course of action in his place?
     
    My teachers have told us to stay out of politics due to its corrupting influence. There are often no good options. I personally would not support this at all - none of the traditional scholars I know feel it is fine to support this in order for political gain. Sometimes it's best to have a hands-off approach - meaning abstaining from the debate and letting non-Muslims hash it out among themselves. Then again, I would never have run for office, so...

    And wouldn’t you say that “Priss Factor” has been vindicated?
     
    No - any more than the early Muslims allowing xvetodah meant they were supporting "incest rights". You will likely eventually get Muslims pushing for being able to have a parallel legal system to deal with our issues in our community; marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc. This is natural. If they are legally able, Muslims will try to annul these marriages within their own community. Maybe Christians can push for the same. Meaning; dissolve the concept of "civil marriage" and the issue goes away.

    the question of homosexual marriage is pretty much a unique one to the modern West
     
    Yup - though homosexuality showed up in various societies historically. I can't think of one giving it legal sanction in the form of marriage - can you?

    Peace.

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  154. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    The Muslims would have gone along with having a 5% Christian minority foisted upon them by a foreign power?
     
    Well, it may have taken a bloody repression or two, but in the end, after a millennium or so, just like when the Muslims were a 5% minority ...

    Oops, I meant “same gender”.
     
    Hopefully the first one's okay too ...

    Hey RSDB,

    after a millennium or so, just like when the Muslims were a 5% minority

    True. The first generation of Muslims (aka Companions [ra]) – from whom we derive our praxis – were pretty good about leaving the non-Muslims alone to deal with their own matters (often establishing garrison towns completely away from population centers) as long as taxes were paid (jizya) and they didn’t revolt – but yes, revolts were not tolerated. One must keep in mind, they often had the non-Muslims on their side. The Byzantines and Sassanids had a way of pissing off their subjects in various ways. It was not pleasant to have Muslim/Arab rulers, but – for some – it was a change for the better. Sometimes, entire armies defected to the Muslim side because…well, why would you remain loyal to the Sassanid crown?:
    “The Muslims now held these resources and were assisted by former members of the Sasanian army and administration who had defected. By 20/641 the organization of the military dīvān at Baṣra and Kūfa provided regular support for Muslim soldiers; by the 640s, Muslim armies based in Iraq were as well organized, provisioned, and equipped as the Sasanians themselves
    …The Muslim conquest of Iran meant the eclipse of Iranian monarchic traditions except to the extent that these were adopted by Muslim Arab rulers and the loss of political support for Zoroastrians. However, Sasanian soldiers and local notables who defected to the Muslims, possibly as a consequence of local conflicts, secured a position in the new regime….Impecunious and arrogant, with a large retinue to support, Yazdegerd alienated the marzbān of Kermān and left for Sīstān just ahead of another Basran force, which defeated and killed the marzbān in heavy fighting. Having lost the support of the governor of Sīstān by demanding tax arrears, Yazdegerd headed for Marv.”

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/arab-ii

    Hopefully the first one’s okay too …

    LOL – yeah!

    These are some of the Muslims who come under sharia law in your version of his system*?

    The rules of the Shariah only apply to Muslims. So here is where things get weird where the rubber hits the road. In a secular state, I’m not sure much can be done since it has a concept of a civil marriage. In a Muslim land there would be no sanction for the marriage (it has the same legal standing as me marrying my couch) – and possibly a punishment in attempting to get one. Basically in a secular state, Muslims could personally refuse to recognize it or officiate it. That’s about all the legal power they have.

    So does 1950 years of consensus.

    Good – I’m all for traditional Christianity to be honest. I wish it would return to prominence. I just don’t know if it has the capability to stop the deluge – the changes ushered in by the The Reformation are still ongoing. Which is one of the reasons why am extremely wary about any attempts at Islamic “Reformation” – once you break with 1400 years of tradition – well…anything is game.

    What do you think of Ken Hechtman’s conclusions on the matter?

    It depends on how the Muslim community goes. If they tend to go Modernist, then sure, it will start creeping in. If they stay traditional, where most are now – there is no compromise. Sometimes you got to put your foot down – it’s not about feelz.

    What would be your course of action in his place?

    My teachers have told us to stay out of politics due to its corrupting influence. There are often no good options. I personally would not support this at all – none of the traditional scholars I know feel it is fine to support this in order for political gain. Sometimes it’s best to have a hands-off approach – meaning abstaining from the debate and letting non-Muslims hash it out among themselves. Then again, I would never have run for office, so…

    And wouldn’t you say that “Priss Factor” has been vindicated?

    No – any more than the early Muslims allowing xvetodah meant they were supporting “incest rights”. You will likely eventually get Muslims pushing for being able to have a parallel legal system to deal with our issues in our community; marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc. This is natural. If they are legally able, Muslims will try to annul these marriages within their own community. Maybe Christians can push for the same. Meaning; dissolve the concept of “civil marriage” and the issue goes away.

    the question of homosexual marriage is pretty much a unique one to the modern West

    Yup – though homosexuality showed up in various societies historically. I can’t think of one giving it legal sanction in the form of marriage – can you?

    Peace.

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    Thanks for that thoughtful reply, with which I largely agree.
    I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the original choice of words by "Priss"; personally they didn't put me in mind of radical Muslim mobs calling for gay rights, and knowing plenty of what might be called progressives I know they didn't see any contradiction, which I think may have been the original sense.

    My teachers
     

    Here's to the health of them:

    "Powerfullest preachers and tenderest teachers
    And kindliest creatures in old Illinois!"
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  155. Z-man says:
    @rw95
    1) I think you vastly overestimate the average person's intelligence and personal involvement in politics.

    2) You know Jesus was a literal magic Jew, right? And that the first Christians were Jews?

    1) I think you vastly overestimate the average person’s intelligence and personal involvement in politics.

    You pray to your god, Satan that that stays true.

    2) You know Jesus was a literal magic Jew, right? And that the first Christians were Jews?

    Jesus is the Son of God. He was a Galilean and there are questions as to how ‘Jewish’ the early Christians were.

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    1) Not an argument.

    2) The historical Jesus is almost universally acknowledged by scholars of antiquity to have been a Galilean Jew. Jews had a historic presence in the region of Galilee.
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  156. rw95 says:
    @Z-man

    1) I think you vastly overestimate the average person’s intelligence and personal involvement in politics.
     
    You pray to your god, Satan that that stays true.

    2) You know Jesus was a literal magic Jew, right? And that the first Christians were Jews?
     
    Jesus is the Son of God. He was a Galilean and there are questions as to how 'Jewish' the early Christians were.

    1) Not an argument.

    2) The historical Jesus is almost universally acknowledged by scholars of antiquity to have been a Galilean Jew. Jews had a historic presence in the region of Galilee.

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  157. MEexpert says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    Mostly atheists, some Jews, actually. But the policies of the U.S. government are not dictated by even a nominal Christianity
     
    This is opinion asserted as fact. GW Bush was very outwardly and practicing Christian and so are many of the politicians and Supreme Court judges. You may not like their style, but they are Christian and claim to be so. Most of the politicians have declared Christianity as their religious affiliation - you can go down the line and check.
    http://www.house.gov/representatives/

    So, while I agree with you that many policies have little semblance to Christianity (at least historically given what we know about the Son of Mary [pbuh]) - the government is mostly run by Christians - which is what I asserted (not that Thomas Aquinas or Augustine would approve).


    Perhaps we should merely have emulated the policy of the medieval rulers, in reverse, by arming the Christians and disarming and disenfranchising the Muslims?
     
    Can't have your cake and eat it too. So was it a Christian conquest or not? If it was, then sure, that would have been sound policy to make them dhimmis in reverse - otherwise not. This of course would have been fine back in the day of the gun-powder empires, but is completely in opposition to international protocols of which we are signatory. Of course, you'd then have annexed Iraq as a part of the US too...here comes trouble.

    You should have simply said that then.
     
    Good point.

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, apparently.
     
    Sure, point was, why would one necessarily expect the same results given completely different historical experiences? And there were actual individual movements (independently within the Muslim world) toward ending the slave trade or ameliorating conditions, but I wouldn't call that abolition per se. Though there were exceptions to the rule like Futa Toro Sultanate under the scholar-ruler Abdul Kader Kane (ra) who abolished it in his realm.

    Rite of passage.
     
    Thanks.

    Peace.

    So, while I agree with you that many policies have little semblance to Christianity (at least historically given what we know about the Son of Mary [pbuh]) – the government is mostly run by Christians – which is what I asserted (not that Thomas Aquinas or Augustine would approve).

    I disagree. The US government is run for Israel (Jews) and by Israel (Jews).

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  159. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Hey RSDB,

    after a millennium or so, just like when the Muslims were a 5% minority
     
    True. The first generation of Muslims (aka Companions [ra]) - from whom we derive our praxis - were pretty good about leaving the non-Muslims alone to deal with their own matters (often establishing garrison towns completely away from population centers) as long as taxes were paid (jizya) and they didn't revolt - but yes, revolts were not tolerated. One must keep in mind, they often had the non-Muslims on their side. The Byzantines and Sassanids had a way of pissing off their subjects in various ways. It was not pleasant to have Muslim/Arab rulers, but - for some - it was a change for the better. Sometimes, entire armies defected to the Muslim side because...well, why would you remain loyal to the Sassanid crown?:
    “The Muslims now held these resources and were assisted by former members of the Sasanian army and administration who had defected. By 20/641 the organization of the military dīvān at Baṣra and Kūfa provided regular support for Muslim soldiers; by the 640s, Muslim armies based in Iraq were as well organized, provisioned, and equipped as the Sasanians themselves
    ...The Muslim conquest of Iran meant the eclipse of Iranian monarchic traditions except to the extent that these were adopted by Muslim Arab rulers and the loss of political support for Zoroastrians. However, Sasanian soldiers and local notables who defected to the Muslims, possibly as a consequence of local conflicts, secured a position in the new regime....Impecunious and arrogant, with a large retinue to support, Yazdegerd alienated the marzbān of Kermān and left for Sīstān just ahead of another Basran force, which defeated and killed the marzbān in heavy fighting. Having lost the support of the governor of Sīstān by demanding tax arrears, Yazdegerd headed for Marv."
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/arab-ii

    Hopefully the first one’s okay too …
     
    LOL - yeah!

    These are some of the Muslims who come under sharia law in your version of his system*?
     
    The rules of the Shariah only apply to Muslims. So here is where things get weird where the rubber hits the road. In a secular state, I'm not sure much can be done since it has a concept of a civil marriage. In a Muslim land there would be no sanction for the marriage (it has the same legal standing as me marrying my couch) - and possibly a punishment in attempting to get one. Basically in a secular state, Muslims could personally refuse to recognize it or officiate it. That's about all the legal power they have.

    So does 1950 years of consensus.
     
    Good - I'm all for traditional Christianity to be honest. I wish it would return to prominence. I just don't know if it has the capability to stop the deluge - the changes ushered in by the The Reformation are still ongoing. Which is one of the reasons why am extremely wary about any attempts at Islamic "Reformation" - once you break with 1400 years of tradition - well...anything is game.

    What do you think of Ken Hechtman’s conclusions on the matter?
     
    It depends on how the Muslim community goes. If they tend to go Modernist, then sure, it will start creeping in. If they stay traditional, where most are now - there is no compromise. Sometimes you got to put your foot down - it's not about feelz.

    What would be your course of action in his place?
     
    My teachers have told us to stay out of politics due to its corrupting influence. There are often no good options. I personally would not support this at all - none of the traditional scholars I know feel it is fine to support this in order for political gain. Sometimes it's best to have a hands-off approach - meaning abstaining from the debate and letting non-Muslims hash it out among themselves. Then again, I would never have run for office, so...

    And wouldn’t you say that “Priss Factor” has been vindicated?
     
    No - any more than the early Muslims allowing xvetodah meant they were supporting "incest rights". You will likely eventually get Muslims pushing for being able to have a parallel legal system to deal with our issues in our community; marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc. This is natural. If they are legally able, Muslims will try to annul these marriages within their own community. Maybe Christians can push for the same. Meaning; dissolve the concept of "civil marriage" and the issue goes away.

    the question of homosexual marriage is pretty much a unique one to the modern West
     
    Yup - though homosexuality showed up in various societies historically. I can't think of one giving it legal sanction in the form of marriage - can you?

    Peace.

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply, with which I largely agree.
    I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree on the original choice of words by “Priss”; personally they didn’t put me in mind of radical Muslim mobs calling for gay rights, and knowing plenty of what might be called progressives I know they didn’t see any contradiction, which I think may have been the original sense.

    My teachers


    Here’s to the health of them:

    “Powerfullest preachers and tenderest teachers
    And kindliest creatures in old Illinois!”

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    Hey RSDB,

    Here’s to the health of them
     
    Indeed and to your teachers as well.

    Peace.
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  160. Talha says:
    @RSDB
    Thanks for that thoughtful reply, with which I largely agree.
    I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the original choice of words by "Priss"; personally they didn't put me in mind of radical Muslim mobs calling for gay rights, and knowing plenty of what might be called progressives I know they didn't see any contradiction, which I think may have been the original sense.

    My teachers
     

    Here's to the health of them:

    "Powerfullest preachers and tenderest teachers
    And kindliest creatures in old Illinois!"

    Hey RSDB,

    Here’s to the health of them

    Indeed and to your teachers as well.

    Peace.

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  161. Sean says:
    @Cyrano
    Patton was an intellectual midget. As typical of any American, his megalomaniac views of him and his country vastly overmatched the abilities of him and his country. He is known for boasting that he can take Moscow. Yeah right, good luck with that. He even explained it how he planned to do it – by rearming the defeated German army. Of course. He realized that if anybody could do it – it would be the Germans and they have already been proven that they couldn’t do it either. So that “plan” went nowhere. Patton was just a big mouth and mediocre leader suffering from delusions of grandeur.

    Khrushchev and other Russians th64ghtn differently, and when the MLF initiative seemed about to give Germany the potential for a conventional attack on Russia under a nuclear weapon Mexican standoff, Khrushchev was aghast, privately speaking of blitzkrieging German tanks smashing their way to Moscow in shot order. But he was only there in WW2, while your qualifications speak for themselves

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    You see, I was actually talking about 1945, not 1960’s. I stand by my opinion that Patton was intellectual midget, but I guess it takes one to admire one.
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  162. Sean says:
    @MEexpert

    The US could overthrow Assad in the blink of an eye; it is very silly to think they have been trying any such thing.
     
    Regime change requires American boots on the ground which the US is not willing to do for fear of body bags. The American foot soldiers (the alphabet armies) have been trying to do the work but in spite of massive financial and arms support from the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel they have not been able to do it. Failing the regime change, the US masters (Israel and Saudi Arabia) want Syria and Iraq divided into mini-states.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11610482/Tide-of-Syria-civil-war-turns-against-Assad-as-rebels-make-sweeping-gains.html

    The rebel were winning back in 2015, when apart from arms, there was no meaningful foreign presence favouring either side ( the Iranians and Lebanese fighting for Assad ,balance out foreign antiAssad fighters) It was the entry of Russia and the Russian air force that blasted the anti Assad groups out of their gains .

    According to you, while air power works for Assad to take territory, it cannot help the rebels take territory, and America hasn’t tried air stikes because they wouldn’t work The Syrian rebels have not been given anti aircraft weapons such as Stingers by the US for similar reasons no doubt.

    Obama was weak and the military were in no doubt use of mere airpower could overthrow Assad, but they were simply opposed to the overthrow of Assad.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/pentagon-mutiny-on-syria_b_8879792.html

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  164. Cyrano says:
    @Sean
    Khrushchev and other Russians th64ghtn differently, and when the MLF initiative seemed about to give Germany the potential for a conventional attack on Russia under a nuclear weapon Mexican standoff, Khrushchev was aghast, privately speaking of blitzkrieging German tanks smashing their way to Moscow in shot order. But he was only there in WW2, while your qualifications speak for themselves

    You see, I was actually talking about 1945, not 1960’s. I stand by my opinion that Patton was intellectual midget, but I guess it takes one to admire one.

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  166. […] in a recent column, Trump’s catastrophic submission to the Neocons and their policies have left him stuck with the KSA ]Kingdom of Saudi Arabia] and Israel, another two rogue states whose power and, frankly, mental sanity, are dwindling away by the […]

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  168. @Anon

    When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn’t it a form of Jewish supremacism?
     
    So the OIC is a Muslim supremacist group?

    All those elections haven’t been kosher.
     
    No elections anywhere are "kosher", except maybe for dogcatcher somewhere. That's life.


    Don’t worry about Russia being ruined by Putin.
     
    Can't agree more.

    Ukraine
     
    was a mess to start out with. Hope they work something out eventually.


    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II”
     
    Russian Federation != USSR.
    Putin is more a Franco or Salazar figure than a Lenin/Stalin/Kruschev/etc. Things falling apart under him seems an incredibly unlikely contingency. What will be interesting is how he passes the torch.

    NB. (!= : "not equal")

    Things are falling apart under Putin. I’m not worried about it, just an interested observer. Russia is down to pension funds and the economy is still sinking. Putin has had to put of modernizing his navy and Army because of the lack of funds. Between Syria and the invasion of Ukraine, Putin’s regime in financial straits. The course he has set is towards destruction.

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  169. @MEexpert

    You are correct about Wahabism, but the Israeli thing, beyond them being armed to the teeth, which is understandable, is simply the product of a diseased mind.
     
    The diseased mind seems to be yours. When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn't it a form of Jewish supremacism?

    If Iran is a Democracy then so is North Korea. The only difference is that the NORKs make no concession to eyewash, while the Mullahs routinely rig elections.
     
    Comparison to North Korea is total lunacy. There only one candidate runs for office. The elections in Iran are monitored by international monitors and so far all elections have been found to be fair, including the 2009 election that the western media, especially, the corporate media in the US, tried to label as disputed.

    How about the elections in the US since the 2000 election? All those elections haven't been kosher.

    We’re at the beginning of “Fall of the Soviet Union Phase II” and Russia is simply going to get progressively weaker. The mess Putin has created in Ukraine by stealing Crimea and invading the Donbas is simply weakening the country more as the costs of both are ruining Russia. Putin is not the good leader many thin he is. He’s an idiot.
     
    Your entire article doesn't make sense. You need to stop watching and reading the corporate media and establishment propaganda. It is the US that created a mess in Ukraine by overthrowing an elected President and in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen as well.

    Don't worry about Russia being ruined by Putin. Worry about the US, if you are a US citizen. The endless global wars and intervention in every country are ruining this country. The Trillion-dollar deficit and the massive defense budgets are unsustainable.

    The diseased mind seems to be yours. When Israel wants to call herself a Jewish State, isn’t it a form of Jewish supremacism?

    So what? Russia has a state but Israel shouldn’t? You’re simply being silly.

    Comparison to North Korea is total lunacy. There only one candidate runs for office. The elections in Iran are monitored by international monitors and so far all elections have been found to be fair, including the 2009 election that the western media, especially, the corporate media in the US, tried to label as disputed.

    How about the elections in the US since the 2000 election? All those elections haven’t been kosher.

    Elections are rarely “kosher” (nice Jewish term there). Get over it. The Iranians are out and out rigging theirs to allow the chosen to step into office. Iran is not, by any reasonable definition, democratic.

    Your entire article doesn’t make sense. You need to stop watching and reading the corporate media and establishment propaganda. It is the US that created a mess in Ukraine by overthrowing an elected President and in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen as well.

    I didn’t write an “article,” but I’m sorry it makes no sense to you. I’d have to say you’ve got your nose in too much of the lying scum media, as well as Saker’s propaganda. last I looked, we had no one in Yemen, although Obama sent a drone or two. Iraq is a mess, and ISIS rose because Obama abandoned Iraq.

    Don’t worry about Russia being ruined by Putin. Worry about the US, if you are a US citizen. The endless global wars and intervention in every country are ruining this country. The Trillion-dollar deficit and the massive defense budgets are unsustainable.

    I’m not worried bout Putin ruining Russia. No need as he will do it regardless of what I do. I’m just an interested observer. If you want to get the facts about Russia, you won’t get them on Sputnik or Russia Today. Both of those, and Saker’s columns, are just Putinist propaganda.

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  170. Sean says:

    As for Trump, he made a short speech before NATO leaders today. He spoke about the “threats from Russia and on NATO’s eastern and southern borders”. QED.

    Obama’s timidity gave Putin a walkover in Syria. America is humiliated, and it is going to use Ukraine to take revenge on Russia in the same way it did in Afghanistan, which was payback for Vietnam.

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