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Now that a little over a week has passed since the much awaited Putin-Trump summit in Helsinki took place, I have had the time to read many of the reactions and comments it generated. I am coming to the paradoxical conclusion that this summit was both a non-event and a truly historical watershed moment. Let’s look at the event itself and then at its consequences.

The summit itself: a much-needed non-event

First, one has to welcome the fact that Putin and Trump spoke to each other, not so much because that fact by itself is great, but because it is an immensely dangerous situation when the leaders of the two military (and nuclear) superpowers do not talk to each other. Over the past couple of years, almost all contacts between Russian and US officials have been unilaterally severed, all by the US side, of course. The sole exception to this quasi-total silence was the ongoing contacts between Russian and US military and security/intelligence officials, which is a very good thing. However, this is also not enough because neither military nor security/intelligence officials are supposed to actually make policies and, therefore, when they are the only ones talking two things can happen: either a) these military and security/intelligence officials are severely limited in their authority to make decisions or b) military and security/intelligence officials are forced to take matters into their own hands and begin making policies in spite of their lack of authority to do so. Such a state of affairs in inherently dangerous (not to mention un-democratic). Still, the fact that the two Presidents and their advisers talked to each other is a much-needed development which hopefully will mark the return to a normal multi-level dialog between Russia and the US.

But besides the fact that talking is by definition good what else did the summit achieve?

Absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

Oh sure, there were a number of general statements made about “positive discussions” and the like, and some vague references to various conflicts, but the truth is that nothing real and tangible was agreed upon. Furthermore, and this is, I believe, absolutely crucial, there never was any chance of this summit achieving anything. Why? Because the Russians have concluded a long time ago that the US officials are “non-agreement capable” (недоговороспособны). They are correct – the US has been non-agreement capable at least since Obama and Trump has only made things even worse: not only has the US now reneged on Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (illegally – since this plan was endorsed by the UNSC), but Trump has even pathetically backtracked on the most important statement he made during the summit when he retroactively changed his “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be” into “I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia” (so much for 5D chess!). If Trump can’t even stick to his own words, how could anybody expect the Russians to take anything he says seriously?! Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper. In truth, the Russians have been very blunt about their disgust with not only the western dishonesty but even about the basic lack of professionalism of their western counterparts, hence the comment by Putin about “it is difficult to have a dialogue with people who confuse Austria and Australia“. It is quite obvious that the Russians agreed to the summit while knowing full well that nothing would, or even could, come out of it. This is why they were already dumping US Treasuries even before meeting with Trump (a clear sign of how the Kremlin really feels about Trump and the US).

So why did they agree to the meeting?

Because they correctly evaluated the consequences of this meeting.

The consequences of the summit: a unanimity of hatred and chaos

This is the proverbial case where the real “action is in the reaction” and, in this case, the reaction of the Neocon run US deep-state and its propaganda machine (the US corporate media) was nothing short of total and abject hysterics. I could list an immense number of quotes, statements and declarations accusing Trump of being a wimp, a traitor, a sellout, a Putin agent and all the rest. But I found the most powerful illustration of that hate-filled hysteria in a collection of cartoons from the western corporate media posted by Colonel Cassad on this page:

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4330355.html

I won’t repost them here, but please do take the time to look at them and see for yourself what kind of message they hammer in. The message is brought from different angles and in different ways, but the overall unifying theme is this: Trump is infinitely evil, he sold out the US to Putin-the-Devil, and everything the American people hold as sacred and most dear to their hearts is now in immense danger. I have always liked cartoons and the way they disrespect and ridicule the powers that be, but what we see today is not humor, or disrespect or even virulent criticism. What we see today is a hate campaign against both Trump and Russia the likes of which I think the world has never seen before: even in the early 20th century, including the pre-WWII years when there was plenty of hate thrown around, there never was such a unanimity of hatred as what we see today. Furthermore, what is attacked is not just “Trump the man” or “Trump the politician” but very much so “Trump the President”. Please compare the following two examples:

  1. The US wars after 9/11: many people had major reservations about the wars against Afghanistan, Iraq and the entire GWOT thing. But most Americans seemed to agree with the “we support our troops” slogan. The logic was something along the lines of “we don’t like these wars, but we do support our fighting men and women and the military institution as such”. Thus, while a specific policy was criticized, this criticism was never applied to the institution which implement it: the US armed forces.
  2. Trump after Helsinki: keep in mind that Trump made no agreement of any kind with Putin, none. And yet that policy of not making any agreements with Putin was hysterically lambasted as a sellout. This begs the question: what kind of policy would meet with the approval of the US deep state? Trump punching Putin in the nose maybe? This is utterly ridiculous, yet unlike in the case of the GWOT wars, there is no differentiation made whatsoever between Trump’s policy towards Putin and Trump as the President of the United States. There is even talk of impeachment, treason and “high crimes & misdemeanors” or of the “KGB” (dissolved 27 years ago but nevermind that) having a hand in the election of the US President.
ORDER IT NOW

What Trump is facing today is not a barrage of criticism but a very real lynch mob! And what is really frightening is that almost nobody dares to denounce that hysterical lynch mob for what it is. There are a few exceptions, of course, even in the media (I think of Tucker Carlson), but these voices are completely drowned out by the hate-filled shrieks of the vast majority of US politicians and journalists. Even such supposed supporters of President Trump like Trey Gowdy who has fully thrown his weight behind the “Russia tried to attack us” nonsense. With friends like these…

What has been taking place after this the summit is an Orwellian “two minutes of hatred” but now stretched well into a two weeks of hatred. And I see no signs that this lynch mob is calming down. In fact, as of this morning, the levels of hysteria are only increasing.

By the way, these are typical Neocon-style tactics: double-down, then double-down again, then issue statements which make it impossible for you to back down, then repeat it all as many times as needed. This strategy is useless against a powerful and principled enemy, but it works miracles with a weak and spineless foe like Trump. This is particularly true of US politicians and journalists who have long become the accomplices of the deep state (especially after the 9/11 false flag and its cover-up) and who now cannot back down under any circumstances or treat President Trump as a normal, regular, President. The anti-Trump rhetoric has gone way too far and the US has now reached what I believe is a point of no return.

The brewing constitutional crisis: the Neocons vs the “deplorables”

I believe that the US is facing what could be the worst crisis in its history: the lawfully elected President is being openly delegitimized and that, in turn, delegitimizes the electoral process which brought him to power and, of course, it also excoriates the “deplorables” who dared vote for him: the majority of the American people.

The process which is taking place before our eyes splits the people of the US into two main categories: first, the Neocons and those whom the US media has successfully brainwashed and, second, everybody else. That second group, by the way, is very diverse and it includes not only bona fide Trump supporters (many of whom have also been zombified in their own way), but also paleo-conservatives, libertarians, antiwar activists, (real) progressives and many other groups. I am also guessing that a lot of folks in the military are watching in horror as their armed forces and their country are being wrecked by the Neocons and their supporters. Basically, those who felt “I want my country back” and who hoped that Trump would make that happen are now horrified by what is taking place.

I believe that what we are seeing is a massive and deliberate attack by the Neocons and their deep state against the political system and the people of the United States. Congress, especially, is now guilty of engaging on a de-facto coup against the Executive on so many levels that they are hard to count (and many of them are probably hidden from the public eye) including repeated attempts to prevent Trump from exercising his constitutional powers such as, for example, deciding on foreign policy issues. A perfect example of this can be found in Nancy Pelosi’s official statement about a possible invitation from Trump to Putin:

“The notion that President Trump would invite a tyrant to Washington is beyond belief. Putin’s ongoing attacks on our elections and on Western democracies and his illegal actions in Crimea and the rest of Ukraine deserve the fierce, unanimous condemnation of the international community, not a VIP ticket to our nation’s capital. President Trump’s frightened fawning over Putin is an embarrassment and a grave threat to our democracy. An invitation to address a Joint Meeting of Congress should be bipartisan and Speaker Ryan must immediately make clear that there is not – and never will be – an invitation for a thug like Putin to address the United States Congress.”

Another example of the same can be found in the unanimous 98-0 resolution by the US Senate expressing Congress’s opposition to the US government allowing Russia to question US officials. Trump, of course, immediately caved in, even though he had originally declared “fantastic” the idea of actually abiding by the terms of an existing 1999 agreement on mutual assistance on criminal cases between the United States of America and Russia. The White House “spokesperson”, Sarah Sanders, did even better and stated: (emphasis added)

“It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it. Hopefully, President Putin will have the 12 identified Russians come to the United States to prove their innocence or guilt

Talk about imperial megalomania! The US will not allow the Russians to interrogate anybody, but it wants Putin to extradite Russian citizens. Amazing…

As for Nancy Pelosi, her latest “tweet” today is anything but subtle. It reads:

Every single day, I find myself asking: what do the Russians have on @realDonaldTrump personally, financially, & politically? The answer to that question is that only thing that explains his behavior & his refusal to stand up to Putin. #ABetterDeal.

Pretty clear, no? “Trump is a traitor and we have to stop him”.

By now there is overwhelming evidence that a creeping Neocon coup has been in progress from the very first day of Trump’s presidency and that the Neocons are far from being satisfied with having broken Trump and taken over the de-facto power in the White House: they now apparently also want it de-jure too. The real question is this: are there any forces inside the US capable of stopping the Neocons from completely taking all the reins of power and, if yes, how could a patriotic reaction to this Neocon coup manifest itself? I honestly don’t know, but my feeling is that we might soon have a “President Pence” in the Oval Office. One way or another, a constitutional crisis is brewing.

What about the Russian interests in all this?

I have said it many times, Russia and the AngloZionist Empire (as opposed to the United States as a country) are at war, a war which is roughly 80% informational, 15% economic and only 5% “kinetic”. This is a very real war nonetheless and it is a war for survival simply because the Empire cannot allow any major country on the planet to be truly sovereign. Therefore, not only does the AngloZionist Empire represent an existential threat to Russia, Russia also represents an existential threat to the Empire. In this kind of conflict for survival there is no room for anything but a zero-sum game and whatever is good for Russia is bad for the US and vice-versa. The Russians, including Putin, never wanted this zero-sum game, it was imposed upon them by the AngloZionists, but now that they have been forced into it, they will play it as hard as they can. It is therefore only logical to conclude that the massive systemic crises in which the Neocons and their crazy policies have plunged the US are to the advantage of Russia. To be sure, the ideal scenario would be for Russia and the US (as opposed to the AngloZionst Empire) to work together on the very long list of issues where they share common interests. But since the Neocons have seized power and are sacrificing the US for the sake of their imperial designs, that is simply not going to happen, and the Russians understand that. Furthermore, since the US constitutes the largest power component of the AngloZionist Empire, anything weakening the US also thereby weakens the Empire and anything which weakens the Empire is beneficial for Russia (by the way, the logical corollary of this state of affairs is that the people of the US and the people of Russia have the same enemy – the Neocons – and that makes them de-facto allies).

It is not my purpose here to discuss when and how the Neocons came to power in the US, so I will just say that the delusional policies followed by the various US administrations since at least 1993 (and, even more so, since 2001) have been disastrous for the United States and could be characterized as one long never-ending case of imperial hubris (to use the title of Michael Scheuer’s excellent 2004 book). Here are some of the consequences of this:

  1. There is no longer such a thing as “US diplomacy” (long gone are the days of James Baker or even George Shultz!). All that the so-called “US diplomats” are doing is delivering ultimatums, threats, sanctions, human rights “scorecards”, lists of “terror-sponsoring countries”, etc. Even worse, any and all types of negotiations are now construed as signs of weakness or, worse, treason. The US politicians have convinced themselves that one should only negotiate with friends and allies, but the truth is that the US has no friends or allies – only colonies, protectorates, puppet regimes and other comprador-run vassal states. To them, the US gives orders, which is very different from negotiations which imply a search for a compromise between roughly equal parties.
  2. The US “intelligence community” has become a tool for petty political interests and competent analysts and foreign policy experts are clearly absent from the top levels of this community (Dmitri Orlov just wrote a good article about this issue here). The long string of lost wars and foreign policy disasters are a direct result of this lack of even basic expertise. What passes for “expertise” today is basically hate-filled hyperbole and warmongering hysterics, hence the inflation in the paranoid anti-Russian rhetoric.
  3. The US armed forces are only good at three things: wasting immense sums of money, destroying countries and alienating the rest of the planet. They are still the most expensive and bloated armed forces on the planet, but nobody fears them anymore (not even relatively small states, nevermind Russia or China). In technological terms, the Russians (and to a somewhat lesser degree the Chinese) have found asymmetrical answers to all the key force planning programs of the Pentagon and the former US superiority in the air, on land and on the seas is now a thing of the past. As for the US nuclear triad, it is still capable of accomplishing its mission, but it is useless as an instrument of foreign policy or to fight Russia or China (unless suicide is contemplated).

[Sidebar: this inability of the US military to achieve desired political goals might explain why, at least so far, the US has apparently given up on the notion of a Reconquista of Syria or why the Ukronazis have not dared to attack the Donbass. Of course, this is too early to call and these zigs might be followed by many zags, especially in the context of the political crisis in the US, but it appears that in the cases of the DPRK, Iran, Syria and the Ukraine there is much barking, but not much biting coming from the supposed sole "hyperpower" on the planet]

  1. The US is now engaged in simultaneous conflicts not only with Iran or Russia but also with the EU and China. In fact, even relationships with vassal states such as Canada or France are now worse than ever before. Only the prostituted leaders of “new Europe”, to use Rumsfeld’s term, are still paying lip service to the notion of “American leadership”, and only if they get paid for it.
  2. The US “elites” and the various interest groups they represent have now clearly turned on each other which is a clear sign that the entire system is in a state of deep crisis: when things were going well, everybody could get what they wanted and no visible infighting was taking place.
  3. The Israel Lobby has now fully subordinated Congress, the White House, and the media to its narrow Likudnik agenda and, as a direct result of this, the US has lost all their positions in the Middle-East and the chorus of those with enough courage to denounce this Zionist Occupation Government is slowly but steadily growing (at least on the Internet). Even US Jews are getting fed up with the now openly Israeli apartheid state (see here or here).
  4. By withdrawing from a long list of important international treaties and bodies (TPP, Kyoto Protocol, START, ABM, JCPOA. UNESCO, UN Human Rights Council, etc.) the United States has completely isolated themselves from the rest of the planet. The ironic truth is that Russia has not been isolated in the least, but that the US has isolated itself from the rest of the planet.

In contrast, the Russians are capitalizing on every single US mistake – be it the carrier-centric navy, the unconditional support for Israel or the simultaneous trade wars with China and the EU. Much has been made of the recent revelation of new and revolutionary Russian weapon systems (see here and here) but there is much more to this than just the deployment of new military systems and technologies: Russia is benefiting from the lack of any real US foreign policies to advance her own interests in the Middle-East, of course, but also elsewhere. Let’s just take the very latest example of a US self-inflicted PR disaster – the following “tweet” by Trump: (CAPS in the original)

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

This kind of infantile (does he not sound like a 6 year old?) and, frankly, rather demented attempts at scaring Iranians (of all people!) is guaranteed to have the exact opposite effect from the one presumably sought: the Iranian leaders might snicker in disgust, or have a good belly-laugh, but they are not going to be impressed. The so-called “allies” of the US will be embarrassed in the extreme to be “led” by such a primitive individual, even if they don’t say so in public. As for the Russians, they will happily explore all the possibilities offered to them by such illiterate and self-defeating behavior.

Conclusion one: a useful summit for Russia

As a direct consequence of the Helsinki summit, the infighting of the US ruling classes has dramatically intensified. Furthermore, faced with a barrage of hateful attacks Trump did what he always does: he tried to simultaneously appease his critics by caving in to their rhetoric while at the same time trying to appear “tough” – hence his latest “I am a tough guy with a big red button” antics against Iran (he did exactly the same thing towards the DPRK). We will probably never find out what exactly Trump and Putin discussed during their private meeting, but one thing is sure: the fact that Trump sat one-on-one with Putin without any “supervision” from his deep-state mentors was good enough to create a total panic in the US ruling class resulting in even more wailing about collusion, impeachment, high crimes & misdemeanors and even treason. Again, the goal is clear: Trump must be removed.

From the Russian point of view, it matters very little whether Trump is removed from office or not – the problem is not one of personalities, but one of the nature of the AngloZionist Empire. The Russians simply don’t have the means to bring down the Empire, but the infighting of the US elites does and, if not, then at the very least the current crisis will further weaken the US, hence the Russian willingness to participate in this summit even if by itself this summit brought absolutely no tangible results: the action was in the reaction.

Conclusion two: the Clinton gang’s actions can result in a real catastrophe for the US

ORDER IT NOW

Trump’s main goal in meeting with Putin was probably to find out whether there was a way to split up the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership and to back the Israeli demands for Syria. On the issue of China, Trump never had a chance since the US has really nothing to offer to Russia (whereas China and Russia are now locked into a vital symbiotic relationship). On Syria, the Russians and the Israelis are now negotiating the details of a deal which would give the Syrian government the control of the demarcation line with Israel (it is not a border in the legal sense) and Trump’s backing for Israel will make no difference. As for Iran, the Russians will not back the US agenda either for many reasons ranging from basic self-interest to respect for international law. So while Trump did the right thing in meeting with Putin, it was predictable at least under the current set of circumstances, that he would not walk away with tangible results.

For all his very real failings, Trump cannot be blamed for the current situation. The real culprits are the Clinton gang and the Democratic Party which, by their completely irresponsible behavior, are creating a very dangerous crisis for the United States: the Neocons and the Clinton gang are willing to say anything, no matter how destabilizing, to hurt Trump even if the US political system by itself is also put at risk. Furthermore, the Neocons have now completely flipped around the presumption of innocence – both externally (Russian “attack” on the US elections) and internally (Trump’s “collusion” with Putin). As for Trump, whatever his good intentions might have been, he is weak and cannot fight the entire US deep state by himself. The Neocons and the US deep state are now on a collision course with Russia and the people of the United States and while Russia does have the means to protect herself from the Empire, it is unclear to me who, or what could stop the Neocons from further damaging the US. Deep and systemic crises often result in new personalities entering the stage, but in the case of the US, it is now undeniable that the system cannot reform itself and that when a personality tries to reform it, the system strikes back with vicious power.

Depending on its context the word “catastrophe” can have any of the following meanings: any large and disastrous event of great significance, a disaster beyond expectations, a dramatic event that initiates the resolution of the plot or a type of bifurcation, where a system shifts between two stable states. In the context of the political situation in the United States, all these definitions apply. Whether for better or for worse, the most likely outcome of the current crisis will be some type of political regime change.

 
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  1. All of this seems profoundly depressing, but it appears to be how things are. I was disappointed by Trump’s efforts to cave into the deep state on his statements. The fact he can’t even control his justice ministry reveals his weakness. I’m of the view history shows that once spy agencies reach a critical mass in power they become the absolute rulers of a structure and the rule of law becomes a facade, then is sidelined completely.

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    Trump was a complete outsider to politics when he decided to run for the presidency in 2015. He had no team or political allies. He really didn't have much of a philosophy of governance, a solid foundation of history and facts, a first rate vocabulary or the debating skills of an 8th grader. He has consistently failed to win over any Democratic and probably not even a majority of Republican politicians.

    The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every level.

    His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it's difficult for the man to retain his credibility before the public.

    Actually, a smidgen south of half the public are the only base of his support. And a very eclectic base they are, including numerous liberals, progressives, intellectuals and peaceniks, in addition to conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians, who prefer to deal with the real world rather than Hillary's deliberate misrepresentation of it.

    Will that be enough for him to survive? The way the maniacs are raving in the media, expect the country to throw a big celebration if he gets "taken out" one way or another tomorrow. The situation is really dangerous and utterly shameful. Most of the blame goes to Hillary Clinton and her insurrectionists for not accepting the outcome of our system of ersatz "democracy." Her husband won with something like 43% of the popular vote in 1992. I'm pretty sure Trump had a higher number. Cry me a river, Hillary, but stop trying to destroy what you can't have like a petulant child.

    (I'm a liberal Democrat.)

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  2. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    All of this seems profoundly depressing, but it appears to be how things are. I was disappointed by Trump's efforts to cave into the deep state on his statements. The fact he can't even control his justice ministry reveals his weakness. I'm of the view history shows that once spy agencies reach a critical mass in power they become the absolute rulers of a structure and the rule of law becomes a facade, then is sidelined completely.

    Trump was a complete outsider to politics when he decided to run for the presidency in 2015. He had no team or political allies. He really didn’t have much of a philosophy of governance, a solid foundation of history and facts, a first rate vocabulary or the debating skills of an 8th grader. He has consistently failed to win over any Democratic and probably not even a majority of Republican politicians.

    The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every level.

    His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it’s difficult for the man to retain his credibility before the public.

    Actually, a smidgen south of half the public are the only base of his support. And a very eclectic base they are, including numerous liberals, progressives, intellectuals and peaceniks, in addition to conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians, who prefer to deal with the real world rather than Hillary’s deliberate misrepresentation of it.

    Will that be enough for him to survive? The way the maniacs are raving in the media, expect the country to throw a big celebration if he gets “taken out” one way or another tomorrow. The situation is really dangerous and utterly shameful. Most of the blame goes to Hillary Clinton and her insurrectionists for not accepting the outcome of our system of ersatz “democracy.” Her husband won with something like 43% of the popular vote in 1992. I’m pretty sure Trump had a higher number. Cry me a river, Hillary, but stop trying to destroy what you can’t have like a petulant child.

    (I’m a liberal Democrat.)

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    I agree with your comments. I wish to emphasize one point: Trump was NEVER given a chance. The establishment HATED him from his candidacy. That hatred has become more pathological by the day.
    It's gone beyond "agreeing"/ "disagreeing" with Trump: this is a sickening assault on U.S democracy.
    The Democratic Party IS guilty of treason. The US establishment - the deep state, if you like is -- criminally INSANE.
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    An uncommonly excellent analysis.
    High quality comment threads and sites that allow for reactions/debate/introduction of public discourse are my gold standard.

    Unz is exceptional and much appreciated.

    Just because it's unlikely that I might post here often...

    I would like to suggest Dr. Judith Curry's blog to anyone like me who enjoys going deeper into subjects than most 'normal' people would ever find time for.

    It's a climate blog. It's brilliant. Curry is a genuinely exceptional human and scientist. The comment threads are pure mind candy..

    , @Richard Wicks
    I would like you to consider what a Trump president has accomplished.

    Do you doubt the "deep state", a group of unelected bureaucrats completely control foreign policy and most of the domestically policy now?

    Is there any doubt in your mind that "mainstream" (really corporate) "news" is just blatant propaganda at this point?

    Do you think either party is sincere about trying to implement anything they run on as "issues" still?

    Do you still believe we do not have a two tiered justice system?

    Do you still believe the US is a democratic republic?

    You're a liberal democrat, do you think Bernie Sanders would have been able to stand up to the cabal that Trump is fighting? How about Ron Paul?

    Do you think anything would have changed of Mitt Romney beat Obama in 2014, or McCain beat Obama in 2008, or John Kerry had defeated George W. Bush?

    The point of the Trump president wasn't to change anything, although that would be nice. It was to demonstrate nothing can be changed because US citizens have absolutely no representation in Washington DC. This visceral reaction to the election of Trump isn't because he poses any danger to the people really in power, but the public is starting to show they may pose a danger.

    The first thing you need to do in order to fix a problem is accept it exists. Do you accept these problems exist? Did you doubt these problems existed in 2015? I have no doubts any more. The hope is to get more people aware of the actual issues we are facing.

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  3. the logical corollary of this state of affairs is that the people of the US and the people of Russia have the same enemy – the Neocons – and that makes them de-facto allies

    I think it would be more accurate to say that the people of Russia had the same enemy. From Chapter 18, ‘During the 1920s’, of Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together: ‘…the Russian, comparing present with past, is confirmed in his idea that power is Jewish power, that it exists for Jews and does the bidding of Jews.’

    Would that the people of the US, and the West in general, were as perspicacious as the people of Russia.

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  4. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    By the way, these are typical Neocon-style tactics: double-down, then double-down again, then issue statements which make it impossible for you to back down, then repeat it all as many times as needed.

    It’s like trial lawyers say: if the facts are on your side and the law is not, then argue the facts; if the law is on your side and the facts are not, then argue the law; and if neither the facts nor the law are on your side, then bang your fists on the table and shout as loud as you can! That’s exactly what the neo-clowns are doing here.

    … the Neocons and the Clinton gang are willing to say anything, no matter how destabilizing, to hurt Trump even if the US political system by itself is also put at risk.

    All of which just helps to further discredit the empire. Even with all the insanity in the media, I still thank God every day that Hellary did not become president.

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    the lawfully elected President is being openly delegitimized and that, in turn, delegitimizes the electoral process which brought him to power and, of course, it also excoriates the “deplorables” who dared vote for him: the majority of the American people.


    Neocons have seized power and are sacrificing the US for the sake of their imperial designs,
    that is simply not going to happen, and the Russians understand that.

    transition from ::to
    1-from. one nation ::to-1-many colonies, protectorates, puppet regimes+comprador-run vassal states
    2-from peaceful instigators ::to-2. barkers of orders and abusers of the use of force
    3-from policy experts :: to-3. private monopoly powered corporate war monger and propagandize
    4-from best of its kind :: to-4 a wasted has been; w/o air, sea or land military superiority
    5-from rational global leader :: to-5 chaotic commanders engaged in simultaneous conflicts
    6-from a cooperating society :: to-6 a segmented fight raging society of multiple conflict in fighting society
    7-from a popularist state :: to-7 a Apartheid-Israeli Lobby lead state
    8-from respected word keepers :: to-8 untrustworthy abdicators, abandoning agrmts as it suits the situation.
    9-from positive leadership :: to-9 infantile, demented, embarrassing, threatening outburst


    But I think the ruling classes intensity is a result of copyright and patent laws and other devices too numerous to list here have been taken to privatize the public resources held in trust by the USA into the hands of Pharaoh and his right arm corporations. Essentially American public assets were entrusted to the USA, and its corporate elected leaders pieced the public assets up, and sold them to the highest bidder. Now the successful bidders are trying to get control or ownership over the remaining few assets that still held in the public [USA} trust, when that is finished America will be wasted and the USA will become a dictatorship.

    Privatization is the first and foremost internal problem; unless it is fixed, nothing will change.

    What do I mean by privatization? Whole segments of the national USA and global economy now belong to one or a few private enterprises: by contract, by rule of some law, or by ownership of assets that were taken, or that are controlled by contract, or agreement, the public domain was reduced and the private domain was increased. Substantial economic power and most political power h\b transferred into private hands.

    Private corporations have become global, have acquired many public resources, and are now in control of whole segments of the profit potential in the entire world. This makes them as big as or bigger than the nations states that gave birth to them.
    America is just a small part of the private corporate wealth generating reach of the private domain. What corporations don't control is left to government. What's wrong with that?
    Private corporations (PCs) conduct their affairs independent of national laws and politics, but the political systems and the people that depend on those political systems are highly dependent, not on government, but on these private corporations.

    Privatization means a part of the public domain has been transferred to the private domain (mostly corporations). Water franchises, health care, pharmaceuticals, hospitals, military arms production, transportation (airlines and ships used to be public owned or highly controlled quasi-governmental entities), energy production and distribution, private armies, public research discoveries converted by rule of law and investment capital into private properties, global manufacturers of important and necessary software or hardware systems or components ; energy, water, gas production and distribution, and services such as garbage, jail management, education, and so on, are public services provided by private corporations.

    Just as British Colonial Aristocrats and their massive corporations were doing in 1776, today's elites are busy transferring public government and American assets, resources, and governing powers to their private selves.

    The USA has become a transfer mechanism and a transport company. Those in power are transferring massive arrays of public rights, duties, and resources to private corporate opulence. The elite (Pharaoh and his private corporation) have not been more secure, but Americans have reached the extended edge of insecurity. Leadership now consist of two masters: Public elected government 40% and privately owned corporations 60%.
    Pieces of the public government were carved out and given to private corporate enterprises. Each transfer from public government to private corporate government; provides elites more power, and the government that represents the public less power.


    The problems the Saker presents are all results of the private taking from public.
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  5. Saker

    Unfortunately your explanation of what drives the hatred of Putin and Trump reeks of a civic nationalist world view.

    Voting in the US is driven by racial tribalism. The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks….Donald Trump’s voting bloc is majority Working Class Native Born White American. White Liberal Democrats would not be able to wage the coup against Trump and possibly-very likely-thermonuclear war against Christian Russia were it not for the existence of an exponentially growing post-1965 nonwhite majority Democratic Party Voting Bloc. As a consequence, it is not possible to understand the war against Christian Russia if the passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act is not included in the analysis.

    Without a doubt, the Democratic Party Greedy Cheating White Liberals want to murder Christian Russia and The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority…..

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    I think there is an element of truth to your views. However, I can't get past the fact that the head of this Trump hating psychotics are native born white Americans. Yes, they pander to "minorities" but it's merely a means to their own piggish elite ends. Minorities are also "useful idiots"....
    , @RadicalCenter
    Sound analysis, WBC.

    I'd just quibble that it's unlikely that the majority of Trump's voters were "blue collar", if that's what we mean by working class.

    Many millions of patriotic conservative, nationalist, and libertarian people working in "white-collar" jobs voted for Trump (as well as some more lefty white-collar folks who couldn't abide the DNC's rigging the primaries against Sanders and/or her obvious personal corruption, incessant warmongering, and loyalty to very rich folks in the finance/banking and entertainment fields).

    Unfortunately, if we're counting manufacturing and assembly jobs as "blue collar" or "working class", there just aren't enough of those jobs left in the USA for their holders to constitute a majority even of Trump voters. That was part of Trump's appeal, right, the endless loss of good-paying jobs actually making things of tangible usefulness and value?

    , @Miro23

    The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks….
     
    True enough but they aren't necessarily against the "Deplorables". For example Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez who recently won a Democratic primary in New York (against heavy odds) describes herself as a "Democratic Socialist" for affordable single-payer national healthcare, tuition free education in high schools and universities ,with a downsized MIC & Deep State and realistic corporate taxation helping pay for it.

    And on the Gaza border shooting of Palestinians she recently said, "This is a massacre. I hope my peers have the moral courage to call it such. No state or entity is absolved of mass shootings of protesters. There is no justification. Palestinian people deserve basic human dignity, as anyone else. Democrats can't be silent about this anymore." She opposes the Likudniks, AIPAC, Netanyahu and wants a two state solution.

    Democratic Socialism and Elite Globalist Zionism seem to have a problem living together in the Democratic Party.

    The strains are also visible in the UK where Jeremy Corbyn could also be described as a Democratic Socialist with much the same platform as Ocasio-Cortez and a good chance of becoming Prime Minister.

    , @TomSchmidt
    Trump won 20% of the Black male electorate. If he can increase that percentage, then the Democratic coalition becomes black females, post-1965 immigrants, and white New Class managerial types.

    He might get blacks to side with him over immigration, which has cut out the support for lower-skilled wages across the board.
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  6. I believe that the US is facing what could be the worst crisis in its history…

    Riiiiiiiiiiight. The Saker is so cute.

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    You are a fool. The Saker nor I want nuclear WW3. And you think it’s a low pr0bability event. Ok so you are a jackass also.
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  7. The Paradox:

    The above h0moerotic caricature of Putin and Trump is quite revealing in what it tells us about what drives the emotional life of White Liberals and White Leftist. They are driven by powerful urges to impose homosexuality-pedophilia-pederasty on both Christian Russia and the Working Class Native Born White American Christians.

    However, to get themselves elected into power, White Liberals and White Leftists have to import socially and culturally conservative post-1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrants who absolutely hate White Liberals and White Leftist.

    Without a doubt there is an expiration date…right around the bend in the road…for White Liberals and White Leftist….and the mutilated-tranny freak Antifa…..Comming up….round the bend….yeaaaah!!!…do do do…de dah…dee dah…….do do do de dah…de dah…dah….I think it’s mixolydian A……

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    Both the USA and Russia are much less "Christian" than you make out.

    But you're right, of course, that our enemies seem especially motivated to destroy any nation with a meaningful vestige of Western (Greco-Roman-Anglo-European) Civilization and/or Christian mores.
    , @Bill jones
    It seems ludicrous but a not inconsiderable piece of the hatred for Putin on the left is because of his failure to celebrate sodomy.
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  8. sarz says:

    Saker, something is not adding up. If Trump is truly as pathetic a pushover, as “weak and spineless,” as you say, why all the hysteria?

    If, on the other hand, he is a rather successful wrecking ball, already having put in jeopardy half the key resources of the empire, that’s another story.

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    I think because Trump postulated himself as a candidate, then got nominated the Republican candidate and worst of all, despite the huge campaign against him, won the elections, without the blessing of the Deep State and the neocons. So now they want to teach him (and anyone else who might think about doing the same) a lesson: "Anyone who tries to become president without our approval will be crushed", so it never happens again.
    , @Erebus

    ... something is not adding up. If Trump is truly as pathetic a pushover, as “weak and spineless,” as you say, why all the hysteria?
     
    And nobody seems to like him
    They can tell what he wants to do
    And he never shows his feelings

    But the fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

    That Trump is a wrecking ball is a hypothesis I've held since the first GOP debate, when I also realized he would (probably) win not only the election, but may even succeed at the far more difficult challenge of bringing the Empire to a sufficiently soft landing that the nation survives. I'm less convinced of the latter now, largely because I underestimated the centrifugal forces driving the fault lines in the American body politic. The nation, tragically may not survive the Empire's twilight, but I've seen nothing that makes me want to change my hypothesis.

    He's laying waste to the Empire in the most peaceful process possible - in large part by so embarrassing the Empire's elites, allies and vassals that they withdraw first their active support, and then finally even their consent. Inducing hysteria, both foreign and domestic, is a non-trivial component of the forces giving the wrecking ball an extra push as it heads for the edifice.

    As for the summit, I frankly wouldn't be surprised to learn that much of it was staged for maximum hysteria-inducing effect. Their 2hrs spent alone probably was little more than comparing notes. After all, what can Trump promise that he can also deliver under the circumstances? He can only promise to keep doing what he's doing.

    In any case, they both know the Empire has to go, and they both want the American nation to be a player after it goes. A vibrant America is as critical to the multipolar world as it is to Americans. Maybe more so.

    Collusion? Maybe, but the Trump phenomena, IMHO, has all the earmarks of regime change done right. With or without collusion, the hystericals can't quite put their finger on what happened, which drives further hysteria, which pushes the wrecking ball even faster, which drives...

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  9. @Johnny Rico

    I believe that the US is facing what could be the worst crisis in its history...
     
    Riiiiiiiiiiight. The Saker is so cute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-IMCk4KDc

    You are a fool. The Saker nor I want nuclear WW3. And you think it’s a low pr0bability event. Ok so you are a jackass also.

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    Lol. Okay, buddy.

    I am coming to the paradoxical conclusion that this summit was both a non-event and a truly historical watershed moment.
     
    It could just as easily be said that the summit was an EVENT and NOT a watershed moment. And it wouldn't take 4300 words to explain.

    You don't want nuclear WW3? Is that so? Precious.

    Try not smoking crack for breakfast.
    , @gsjackson
    It's hyperbole, and doesn't exactly reflect a long historical view on the part of the Saker, who arrived in the U.S. in the '80s. Going back just a few years earlier you had the Cuban missile crisis. Then John Kennedy murdered by Mossad and the CIA (in my opinion). A few years later, Jewish pundit laureate Walter Lipmann, no doubt emboldened by what Israel was able to get away with in 1967 (as were emerging neocons such as Norman Podhoretz), broached the subject of martial law as a response to civil disorder. A few years after that, a president who had just been reelected in one of the largest landslides in American history was run out of office by the deep state.

    That's just for starters, in my lifetime. Admittedly what seems especially disconcerting about the current threat is that American elites appear to be absolute nincompoops now, far more so than in days gone by. And Jewish domination is more thorough. But biggest crisis? Not yet, and as Saker always notes in recurring counterpoint to the pessimism, the good ship Empire is being steadily steered toward the rocks.
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  10. @War for Blair Mountain
    You are a fool. The Saker nor I want nuclear WW3. And you think it’s a low pr0bability event. Ok so you are a jackass also.

    Lol. Okay, buddy.

    I am coming to the paradoxical conclusion that this summit was both a non-event and a truly historical watershed moment.

    It could just as easily be said that the summit was an EVENT and NOT a watershed moment. And it wouldn’t take 4300 words to explain.

    You don’t want nuclear WW3? Is that so? Precious.

    Try not smoking crack for breakfast.

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    Nothing but snark and ad hominem, JR. Those are fun and have their place, but what are your specific, substantive disagreements with Saker and what is some of your contrary reasoning and evidence on each point?
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  11. Anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    “Every single day, I find myself asking: what do the Russians have on @realDonaldTrump personally, financially, & politically? The answer to that question is that only thing that explains his behavior & his refusal to stand up to Putin. #ABe”

    How did Pelosi navigate through this stupidest reasoning ?

    The answer lies in the fact that for 17 years this kind of reasoning has replaced thinking at every level

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  12. Carlo says:
    @sarz
    Saker, something is not adding up. If Trump is truly as pathetic a pushover, as "weak and spineless," as you say, why all the hysteria?

    If, on the other hand, he is a rather successful wrecking ball, already having put in jeopardy half the key resources of the empire, that's another story.

    I think because Trump postulated himself as a candidate, then got nominated the Republican candidate and worst of all, despite the huge campaign against him, won the elections, without the blessing of the Deep State and the neocons. So now they want to teach him (and anyone else who might think about doing the same) a lesson: “Anyone who tries to become president without our approval will be crushed”, so it never happens again.

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    • Replies: @Richard Wicks
    And this is why they have to be removed from power.

    I'd personally rather have a military dictatorship than the criminal scum that compose the intelligence agencies at this point.
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  13. Erebus says:
    @sarz
    Saker, something is not adding up. If Trump is truly as pathetic a pushover, as "weak and spineless," as you say, why all the hysteria?

    If, on the other hand, he is a rather successful wrecking ball, already having put in jeopardy half the key resources of the empire, that's another story.

    … something is not adding up. If Trump is truly as pathetic a pushover, as “weak and spineless,” as you say, why all the hysteria?

    And nobody seems to like him
    They can tell what he wants to do
    And he never shows his feelings

    But the fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

    That Trump is a wrecking ball is a hypothesis I’ve held since the first GOP debate, when I also realized he would (probably) win not only the election, but may even succeed at the far more difficult challenge of bringing the Empire to a sufficiently soft landing that the nation survives. I’m less convinced of the latter now, largely because I underestimated the centrifugal forces driving the fault lines in the American body politic. The nation, tragically may not survive the Empire’s twilight, but I’ve seen nothing that makes me want to change my hypothesis.

    He’s laying waste to the Empire in the most peaceful process possible – in large part by so embarrassing the Empire’s elites, allies and vassals that they withdraw first their active support, and then finally even their consent. Inducing hysteria, both foreign and domestic, is a non-trivial component of the forces giving the wrecking ball an extra push as it heads for the edifice.

    As for the summit, I frankly wouldn’t be surprised to learn that much of it was staged for maximum hysteria-inducing effect. Their 2hrs spent alone probably was little more than comparing notes. After all, what can Trump promise that he can also deliver under the circumstances? He can only promise to keep doing what he’s doing.

    In any case, they both know the Empire has to go, and they both want the American nation to be a player after it goes. A vibrant America is as critical to the multipolar world as it is to Americans. Maybe more so.

    Collusion? Maybe, but the Trump phenomena, IMHO, has all the earmarks of regime change done right. With or without collusion, the hystericals can’t quite put their finger on what happened, which drives further hysteria, which pushes the wrecking ball even faster, which drives…

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    • Replies: @Cyrano
    Well on the way, head in a cloud
    The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
    But nobody ever hears him
    Or the sound he appears to make
    And he never seems to notice

    He never listens to them
    He knows that they're the fools
    They don't like him

    I don’t think that Trump is the fool on the hill. I think that mostly all those around him are. The latest hysteria over Russia is not about any “meddling” in any “democracy”.

    It’s about throwing tantrums that Russia won’t submit to US hegemony. In my opinion, they don’t deserve to be in charge of their own country, let alone to be asking to be in charge of Russia.

    All they come up with is terrible ideas which they in their generosity are way too eager to share with the world – against the wishes or the best interests of the world. Like the multiculturalism. It’s bad enough that they came up with that awful idea, but then they had to force it down the throats of the stupid Europeans.

    Then when Merkel showed enough brains to challenge their idea, they forced her to make 180 turn and to welcome over a 1 million refugees from the imperial misadventures.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/18/frum.merkel.multicultural

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  14. Franz says:

    now undeniable that the system cannot reform itself

    Yes, Saker and that puts US politics behind European fascism of 70+ years ago.

    Mussolini was booted out by a fascist committee, Franco paved the way for a constitutional monarchy, but all Americans get is Bozo the Clown/President.

    The destruction of the US working class amazes me in its absence from all serious debate. First subverted by the CIA then rendered null by outsourcing (which is still undercounted) the “deplorables” have no mechanism for resistence except the unthinkable one: Hope for total breakup of the United States. Or hope for a foreign invasion.

    Makes one wonder. When Egyptians greeted Alexander the Great as a liberator as he conquered them, it was a fairly pungent comment on the ruling Persians. Will blue-collar former-Yanks be cheering for liberating Chinese or Russian troops anytime soon? Henry Kissinger once predicted something of the sort.

    We do live in interesting times.

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    We don't any occupying troops here, whether US Empire, Russian, or God help us Chinese.
    , @yurivku

    We do live in interesting times.
     
    Yes, it's very good chance to die in very interesting way now. Thanks your lovely USA.
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  15. Because the Russians have concluded a long time ago that the US officials are “non-agreement capable” (недоговороспособны).

    The US has known this about Russia and its Soviet forebears for a very long time. Yeltsin was willing to keep the Budapest Memorandum, but Putin has abrogated it against someone that did him, and his country, no harm.

    Putin is a danger to his country. Russia is simply eating its seed corn.

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    TROLL.
    , @El Dato
    The US "knows" nothing as it has neither an institutional nor a politicial nor a historical memory. Anything is done on the spur of the moment based on low-grade emotional assessment.

    Temporary allies always forget though, then are left to be wrecked/deported/elminated as the winds change.

    Ask interpreters for US troops in Iraq what happened to them.
    , @ploni almoni
    This is the best the CIA can do?
    , @Jesse James
    The US financial-political- military power structure cannot keep an agreement as the US Constitution is largely ignored.

    Russia did not outsource its skilled trades and high-tech- the US did. Russia is the world's leading wheat exporter and the leading exporter of nuclear technology- the US is not. China is world's largest steel producer- the US is not.

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  16. Cyrano says:
    @Erebus

    ... something is not adding up. If Trump is truly as pathetic a pushover, as “weak and spineless,” as you say, why all the hysteria?
     
    And nobody seems to like him
    They can tell what he wants to do
    And he never shows his feelings

    But the fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

    That Trump is a wrecking ball is a hypothesis I've held since the first GOP debate, when I also realized he would (probably) win not only the election, but may even succeed at the far more difficult challenge of bringing the Empire to a sufficiently soft landing that the nation survives. I'm less convinced of the latter now, largely because I underestimated the centrifugal forces driving the fault lines in the American body politic. The nation, tragically may not survive the Empire's twilight, but I've seen nothing that makes me want to change my hypothesis.

    He's laying waste to the Empire in the most peaceful process possible - in large part by so embarrassing the Empire's elites, allies and vassals that they withdraw first their active support, and then finally even their consent. Inducing hysteria, both foreign and domestic, is a non-trivial component of the forces giving the wrecking ball an extra push as it heads for the edifice.

    As for the summit, I frankly wouldn't be surprised to learn that much of it was staged for maximum hysteria-inducing effect. Their 2hrs spent alone probably was little more than comparing notes. After all, what can Trump promise that he can also deliver under the circumstances? He can only promise to keep doing what he's doing.

    In any case, they both know the Empire has to go, and they both want the American nation to be a player after it goes. A vibrant America is as critical to the multipolar world as it is to Americans. Maybe more so.

    Collusion? Maybe, but the Trump phenomena, IMHO, has all the earmarks of regime change done right. With or without collusion, the hystericals can't quite put their finger on what happened, which drives further hysteria, which pushes the wrecking ball even faster, which drives...

    Well on the way, head in a cloud
    The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
    But nobody ever hears him
    Or the sound he appears to make
    And he never seems to notice

    He never listens to them
    He knows that they’re the fools
    They don’t like him

    I don’t think that Trump is the fool on the hill. I think that mostly all those around him are. The latest hysteria over Russia is not about any “meddling” in any “democracy”.

    It’s about throwing tantrums that Russia won’t submit to US hegemony. In my opinion, they don’t deserve to be in charge of their own country, let alone to be asking to be in charge of Russia.

    All they come up with is terrible ideas which they in their generosity are way too eager to share with the world – against the wishes or the best interests of the world. Like the multiculturalism. It’s bad enough that they came up with that awful idea, but then they had to force it down the throats of the stupid Europeans.

    Then when Merkel showed enough brains to challenge their idea, they forced her to make 180 turn and to welcome over a 1 million refugees from the imperial misadventures.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/18/frum.merkel.multicultural

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    I still think the best explanation of Merkel's immigration policy is her belief that indeed the Germans are guilty of two world wars and the holocaust.
    Therefore 'ein neuer Mensch', a new German, must be created through mass immigration, as a German commentator explains.
    His book should be ready by now.
    His prediction is that just the E European countries, Hungary, Poland, etc., will remain European.
    Writing this, one may expect that they will turn politically to Russia, also a catholic white country.
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  17. gsjackson says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    You are a fool. The Saker nor I want nuclear WW3. And you think it’s a low pr0bability event. Ok so you are a jackass also.

    It’s hyperbole, and doesn’t exactly reflect a long historical view on the part of the Saker, who arrived in the U.S. in the ’80s. Going back just a few years earlier you had the Cuban missile crisis. Then John Kennedy murdered by Mossad and the CIA (in my opinion). A few years later, Jewish pundit laureate Walter Lipmann, no doubt emboldened by what Israel was able to get away with in 1967 (as were emerging neocons such as Norman Podhoretz), broached the subject of martial law as a response to civil disorder. A few years after that, a president who had just been reelected in one of the largest landslides in American history was run out of office by the deep state.

    That’s just for starters, in my lifetime. Admittedly what seems especially disconcerting about the current threat is that American elites appear to be absolute nincompoops now, far more so than in days gone by. And Jewish domination is more thorough. But biggest crisis? Not yet, and as Saker always notes in recurring counterpoint to the pessimism, the good ship Empire is being steadily steered toward the rocks.

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  18. peterAUS says:

    Well, Saker did put, this time, some good points here.
    Of course, they were well mixed with the usual Kremlin propaganda, but that’s now like “good morning” with his writing. Probably all public members of “Team Russia” have that clause in their contract.
    The usual spin “Russia is great, winning, and all is not only good but simply getting better for Kremlin and the Great Leader”.

    He does point to this “thing” with MSM and public figures in West re the summit.
    I agree, it’s surreal. If I were watching this in a serious movie I’d change the channel/walk out. If I were reading a serious book with the “thing” as a part of the plot I’d stop reading.

    I think there IS something there.

    It is not just “unanimity of hatred and chaos”, “abject hysterics”, “hate-filled hysteria”, “two minutes of hatred stretched well into a two weeks of hatred” etc. It’s something else and, I feel, simply much worse and dangerous.

    I guess we have entered a zone beyond geopolitics into mass psychology. Not my area of expertise at all, but simply feel there is something there.

    It feels as watching, hard to express it, hysterical people?

    Now, on my level, whenever I dealt with such people I simply walked away, most of the time. A couple of times, when I couldn’t walk away I simply floored them (or so I say). Both men and women (talking about being a gentleman , a). With women, it’s even easier, just one strike, weak hand even. With men a full combination, even with a takedown and …..anyway.Joking. Sort of. Besides, I was younger then.

    But…how can you take out people who control, in essence, US power, nuclear weapons in particular? You simply can’t……….

    That is what makes, IMHO, this so dangerous.

    I simply can’t recollect anything similar in relationship between superpowers.

    I am not so optimistic re the collapse of The Empire, multipolar world etc.

    This “thing” can, I concede, deliver a couple of goods:
    People, at last, realizing who, or better what, are our “betters”.
    The real power of The Empire diminishing because of the mess and chaos those…species…..created.
    Those two things creating an opportunity to, somehow, do something about this abomination.

    But, and a big but, there is the flip there.
    People simply not paying attention. And, those hysterics really getting the levers of power in their hands. While they are in that state, that is.

    As I’ve said several times here so far (doesn’t matter a bit, of course) Trump supporters fucked up.
    Not him; he didn’t expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.

    I feel we’ll all pay, dearly, for it.

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    The biggest problem of course is that the American people will buy into anything as long as they think they are getting something for nothing,and I don't see that changing regardless of who's in the the oval office..!!
    , @Erebus

    ... he didn’t expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
     
    I've heard this a lot, but find it hard to take seriously. Given that the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it's hard to believe that they didn't know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can't see them flying blind the whole time.

    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.
     
    Here, I completely agree. Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump's political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they're not getting from Trump's supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.
    As you say, the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they're boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they're not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.
    , @ploni almoni
    You are giving away too much.
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  19. bluedog says:
    @Quartermaster

    Because the Russians have concluded a long time ago that the US officials are “non-agreement capable” (недоговороспособны).
     
    The US has known this about Russia and its Soviet forebears for a very long time. Yeltsin was willing to keep the Budapest Memorandum, but Putin has abrogated it against someone that did him, and his country, no harm.

    Putin is a danger to his country. Russia is simply eating its seed corn.

    TROLL.

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  20. bluedog says:
    @peterAUS
    Well, Saker did put, this time, some good points here.
    Of course, they were well mixed with the usual Kremlin propaganda, but that's now like "good morning" with his writing. Probably all public members of "Team Russia" have that clause in their contract.
    The usual spin "Russia is great, winning, and all is not only good but simply getting better for Kremlin and the Great Leader".

    He does point to this "thing" with MSM and public figures in West re the summit.
    I agree, it's surreal. If I were watching this in a serious movie I'd change the channel/walk out. If I were reading a serious book with the "thing" as a part of the plot I'd stop reading.

    I think there IS something there.

    It is not just "unanimity of hatred and chaos", "abject hysterics", "hate-filled hysteria", "two minutes of hatred stretched well into a two weeks of hatred" etc. It's something else and, I feel, simply much worse and dangerous.

    I guess we have entered a zone beyond geopolitics into mass psychology. Not my area of expertise at all, but simply feel there is something there.

    It feels as watching, hard to express it, hysterical people?

    Now, on my level, whenever I dealt with such people I simply walked away, most of the time. A couple of times, when I couldn't walk away I simply floored them (or so I say). Both men and women (talking about being a gentleman , a). With women, it's even easier, just one strike, weak hand even. With men a full combination, even with a takedown and .....anyway.Joking. Sort of. Besides, I was younger then.

    But...how can you take out people who control, in essence, US power, nuclear weapons in particular? You simply can't..........

    That is what makes, IMHO, this so dangerous.

    I simply can't recollect anything similar in relationship between superpowers.

    I am not so optimistic re the collapse of The Empire, multipolar world etc.

    This "thing" can, I concede, deliver a couple of goods:
    People, at last, realizing who, or better what, are our "betters".
    The real power of The Empire diminishing because of the mess and chaos those...species.....created.
    Those two things creating an opportunity to, somehow, do something about this abomination.

    But, and a big but, there is the flip there.
    People simply not paying attention. And, those hysterics really getting the levers of power in their hands. While they are in that state, that is.

    As I've said several times here so far (doesn't matter a bit, of course) Trump supporters fucked up.
    Not him; he didn't expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.

    I feel we'll all pay, dearly, for it.

    The biggest problem of course is that the American people will buy into anything as long as they think they are getting something for nothing,and I don’t see that changing regardless of who’s in the the oval office..!!

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    Well....it's not bad to see that people who disagree on almost everything (you and me, I mean) do agree on this:

    The biggest problem of course is that the American people will buy into anything as long as they think they are getting something for nothing,and I don’t see that changing regardless of who’s in the the oval office..!!
     
    This fact (and I believe it's a hard fact) needs better understanding.

    How come that in this word of instant communication and accumulated human knowledge at fingertips, one can behave that way?

    I have a theory. It's the same theory I have about addicts, from those into fast food to heroin.

    The problem, here, is that addicts, in essence, control a big part of US projection of power.

    So, at one hand we have addicts and at another hysterics. In the middle we have nuclear capability to destroy life on Earth as we see it. Something like that.

    I think that, in practical terms, we have a constitutional problem.

    The Founding Fathers devised a system for different people and different capability to deliver power to "outside".
    They did not, and I do blame them for that, take into account a possibility that the world, and PEOPLE, will change.

    So, here we are.
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  21. peterAUS says:
    @bluedog
    The biggest problem of course is that the American people will buy into anything as long as they think they are getting something for nothing,and I don't see that changing regardless of who's in the the oval office..!!

    Well….it’s not bad to see that people who disagree on almost everything (you and me, I mean) do agree on this:

    The biggest problem of course is that the American people will buy into anything as long as they think they are getting something for nothing,and I don’t see that changing regardless of who’s in the the oval office..!!

    This fact (and I believe it’s a hard fact) needs better understanding.

    How come that in this word of instant communication and accumulated human knowledge at fingertips, one can behave that way?

    I have a theory. It’s the same theory I have about addicts, from those into fast food to heroin.

    The problem, here, is that addicts, in essence, control a big part of US projection of power.

    So, at one hand we have addicts and at another hysterics. In the middle we have nuclear capability to destroy life on Earth as we see it. Something like that.

    I think that, in practical terms, we have a constitutional problem.

    The Founding Fathers devised a system for different people and different capability to deliver power to “outside”.
    They did not, and I do blame them for that, take into account a possibility that the world, and PEOPLE, will change.

    So, here we are.

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    What "we" have is a corrupt US (global) elite. An elite, primed in the 80's & let entirely off the leash in '91.
    Benevolent despots ? A concept with only the vaguest comprehension.
    No - these US/ Globalist elites just KNEW history was on THEIR side. Take the brakes off, & spin the capitalist coin: heads - class war; tails imperialism. Win -win. (Can't remember his name - guy who runs Hathaway-something: "there is class war, & my class is winning". Damn few business men are as worshipped as this bloke) And yes, just look at the 90's, the Yeltsin years, the Clinton years ... looked like it was all working out.
    Well, contradictions will "out". And here we are.
    A ruling class descending into sociopathology.
    A public unable to fully comprehend the toxic brew bubbling just beneath the surface ( the 6 o'clock news, comfortable, day in day out, pay the damn bills, the kid's teeth need braces & the car a new exhaust).
    I won't mention climate change - few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?
    We are in diabolical trouble...but fuck it - instinctively we all know it's a Panglossian universe....& the devil take the hindmost.
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  22. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS
    Well, Saker did put, this time, some good points here.
    Of course, they were well mixed with the usual Kremlin propaganda, but that's now like "good morning" with his writing. Probably all public members of "Team Russia" have that clause in their contract.
    The usual spin "Russia is great, winning, and all is not only good but simply getting better for Kremlin and the Great Leader".

    He does point to this "thing" with MSM and public figures in West re the summit.
    I agree, it's surreal. If I were watching this in a serious movie I'd change the channel/walk out. If I were reading a serious book with the "thing" as a part of the plot I'd stop reading.

    I think there IS something there.

    It is not just "unanimity of hatred and chaos", "abject hysterics", "hate-filled hysteria", "two minutes of hatred stretched well into a two weeks of hatred" etc. It's something else and, I feel, simply much worse and dangerous.

    I guess we have entered a zone beyond geopolitics into mass psychology. Not my area of expertise at all, but simply feel there is something there.

    It feels as watching, hard to express it, hysterical people?

    Now, on my level, whenever I dealt with such people I simply walked away, most of the time. A couple of times, when I couldn't walk away I simply floored them (or so I say). Both men and women (talking about being a gentleman , a). With women, it's even easier, just one strike, weak hand even. With men a full combination, even with a takedown and .....anyway.Joking. Sort of. Besides, I was younger then.

    But...how can you take out people who control, in essence, US power, nuclear weapons in particular? You simply can't..........

    That is what makes, IMHO, this so dangerous.

    I simply can't recollect anything similar in relationship between superpowers.

    I am not so optimistic re the collapse of The Empire, multipolar world etc.

    This "thing" can, I concede, deliver a couple of goods:
    People, at last, realizing who, or better what, are our "betters".
    The real power of The Empire diminishing because of the mess and chaos those...species.....created.
    Those two things creating an opportunity to, somehow, do something about this abomination.

    But, and a big but, there is the flip there.
    People simply not paying attention. And, those hysterics really getting the levers of power in their hands. While they are in that state, that is.

    As I've said several times here so far (doesn't matter a bit, of course) Trump supporters fucked up.
    Not him; he didn't expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.

    I feel we'll all pay, dearly, for it.

    … he didn’t expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.

    I’ve heard this a lot, but find it hard to take seriously. Given that the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it’s hard to believe that they didn’t know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can’t see them flying blind the whole time.

    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.

    Here, I completely agree. Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump’s political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they’re not getting from Trump’s supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.
    As you say, the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they’re boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they’re not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.

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    Ahu....something is getting eerie on this Website.

    This is the third time in less than a week that I've found myself on the same page with people who I am not even in the same book with, most of the time.

    I agree with:


    ...the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it’s hard to believe that they didn’t know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can’t see them flying blind the whole time.
     
    My take is: they wanted to go close to the very top, BUT, not on the top itself.
    Actually, not my take but take of some people very close to that team. They just told me that.

    Trump was perfectly ready to work from a very close loss; he got surprised by the win.

    Anyway, that's actually not that important.
    This is:


    Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump’s political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they’re not getting from Trump’s supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.
     
    I've been thinking about this a lot. Actually, I haven'b been thinking about anything else, in my free time that is, as much as about this.
    I could, probably, write 100 pages just right now about all....that.
    Waste of time.

    Not so long ago I got into...ahm..."discussion" with an American, here, about that. Apparently, a smart man with good intentions, feisty too, a member of Trump power base. My take from that "conversation" was, well......"naivety".

    Problem with Trump base is, IMHO, just that. They do , deep in their hearts, believe in the system.

    We...outsiders....don't.
    Well, I guess we know our place in Universe; we aren't exceptional, just some guys making ends in this world. Americans....well........
    And, should one say something along those lines the reaction is, how to put it.....intense.

    If that was happening in any country of this world I wouldn't spend 5 seconds on that.
    But, whatever happens in USA has direct repercussions to the rest of the world, this place I live in somewhere close to the top of that list ("Five Eyes" and such). Hell, on all international matters we are simply an extension of USA here in Pacific. Or everywhere where Washington wants. Before it was London, now it's Washington.
    Even that wouldn't matter much. What does matter is this stupid, STUPID, poking The Bear.
    As you already know I am sure should push come to shove Kremlin will fold. Yes, I know what you think about it.
    Having said that, I also believe it will keep folding up to a moment when IDIOTS in Washington won't recognize and then we are ALL fucked.

    It's like high school bully. He picks up a guy. Always the same pattern: bully pushes, reasonable guy retreats. He thinks of school, grades, police, future...stuff like that.
    Each time the reasonable guy thinks bully will have enough and find somebody else. No...bully pushes again. And again. Each time he pushes and the reasonable guy retreats the bully gets emboldened more...And then one day he crosses the line and he didn't see it.
    And then, when all that happens, school management, ambulance, parents, police....you can see that shocked surprise on what's left of bully's face. Thinking : what...happened....?

    I just have a feeling that these histerics in Washington are of the same type. They are idiots who won't see the "red line".
    As you say:


    ... the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they’re boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they’re not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.
     
    In this case, the end game could very well be that M.A.D.

    And, again, when you think about all this..what to do?
    I really believe that the key to positive outcome is PROPER engagement of Trump base.
    The only key.

    , @animalogic
    Trump - good & evil. But his base need to take to the streets...before he has a "problem in Dallas" or the dickless wonders in Congress finally get the gumption to impeach...(hard as that's to believe of the Dem-castrartie party....)
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  23. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    ... he didn’t expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
     
    I've heard this a lot, but find it hard to take seriously. Given that the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it's hard to believe that they didn't know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can't see them flying blind the whole time.

    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.
     
    Here, I completely agree. Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump's political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they're not getting from Trump's supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.
    As you say, the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they're boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they're not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.

    Ahu….something is getting eerie on this Website.

    This is the third time in less than a week that I’ve found myself on the same page with people who I am not even in the same book with, most of the time.

    I agree with:

    …the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it’s hard to believe that they didn’t know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can’t see them flying blind the whole time.

    My take is: they wanted to go close to the very top, BUT, not on the top itself.
    Actually, not my take but take of some people very close to that team. They just told me that.

    Trump was perfectly ready to work from a very close loss; he got surprised by the win.

    Anyway, that’s actually not that important.
    This is:

    Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump’s political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they’re not getting from Trump’s supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.

    I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Actually, I haven’b been thinking about anything else, in my free time that is, as much as about this.
    I could, probably, write 100 pages just right now about all….that.
    Waste of time.

    Not so long ago I got into…ahm…”discussion” with an American, here, about that. Apparently, a smart man with good intentions, feisty too, a member of Trump power base. My take from that “conversation” was, well……”naivety”.

    Problem with Trump base is, IMHO, just that. They do , deep in their hearts, believe in the system.

    We…outsiders….don’t.
    Well, I guess we know our place in Universe; we aren’t exceptional, just some guys making ends in this world. Americans….well……..
    And, should one say something along those lines the reaction is, how to put it…..intense.

    If that was happening in any country of this world I wouldn’t spend 5 seconds on that.
    But, whatever happens in USA has direct repercussions to the rest of the world, this place I live in somewhere close to the top of that list (“Five Eyes” and such). Hell, on all international matters we are simply an extension of USA here in Pacific. Or everywhere where Washington wants. Before it was London, now it’s Washington.
    Even that wouldn’t matter much. What does matter is this stupid, STUPID, poking The Bear.
    As you already know I am sure should push come to shove Kremlin will fold. Yes, I know what you think about it.
    Having said that, I also believe it will keep folding up to a moment when IDIOTS in Washington won’t recognize and then we are ALL fucked.

    It’s like high school bully. He picks up a guy. Always the same pattern: bully pushes, reasonable guy retreats. He thinks of school, grades, police, future…stuff like that.
    Each time the reasonable guy thinks bully will have enough and find somebody else. No…bully pushes again. And again. Each time he pushes and the reasonable guy retreats the bully gets emboldened more…And then one day he crosses the line and he didn’t see it.
    And then, when all that happens, school management, ambulance, parents, police….you can see that shocked surprise on what’s left of bully’s face. Thinking : what…happened….?

    I just have a feeling that these histerics in Washington are of the same type. They are idiots who won’t see the “red line”.
    As you say:

    … the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they’re boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they’re not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.

    In this case, the end game could very well be that M.A.D.

    And, again, when you think about all this..what to do?
    I really believe that the key to positive outcome is PROPER engagement of Trump base.
    The only key.

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    This is the third time in less than a week that I’ve found myself on the same page with people who I am not even in the same book with, most of the time.
     
    I'm reminded of Mark Twain's anecdote about his father...
    "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years."

    It took you much less than 7 years to come to Twain's conclusion. Congrats!
    Cheers

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  24. I can see certain similarities what western democracies did to Germany after WW1 and before WW2 in comparison what they did and doing to Russia after break up of Warsaw pact.
    But here is certain difference that should be noticed.
    Putin has hundred times better nerves than Hitler, and Russia has enough power in one day to destroy western Europe, and all north American continent.So the western democracies should be better a little bit more cautious.

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    They should have destroyed Germany after WWI, or come to a just Peace. They did neither, slightly weakening it and strongly pissing it off.

    After the Soviets went out of business, the US neither welcomed it to the brotherhood of nations, nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat. Letting the looters loose upon it sure did piss a lot of people off though.

    Your point is well taken.
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  25. nagra says:

    media is obviously pushing the USA towards civil war
    consequences they do not regard for now
    people there is so pumped
    it must explode

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  26. Wally says:

    The neo-con Zionists and their leftists are seeing everything coming apart.
    They have been and are being exposed & rejected by way too many.
    Putin & Trump are merely the tip of the iceberg.

    The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it.

    The absurd ‘holocaust’ fiction has been the tool that previously silenced all debate.
    However, it’s effectiveness is waning, people are learning about its complete impossibility, people are realizing that its propaganda and theater held together only by force & coercion.

    The increasing awareness of the fake ‘holocaust’ narrative is producing the real hysteria, the bizarre reactions by the Zionist controlled media prove it.
    The Zionist / leftist mafia certainly see the end coming and are trying everything, anything to put the horse back in the stable. It won’t help.

    Science, rational thought, and logic simply & easily demolish the ‘holocaust’ Big Lie. It’s no contest in debate.
    And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it in Europe. That’s why we will see increasing, but ultimately futile attempts to silence all free speech about it in the US.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    Be part of the solution:
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

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    "The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it."
    Sorry Wally, it goes a bit beyond dead Jews ( not to say that it has played NO part - but there are a huge number of factors. The 6 mil' blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy).
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  27. Trump is certainly no Machiavellian. He committed two capital mistakes in 1) refusing to prosecute the Clintons and the Obama gang for their numerous acts of treason; and 2) staffing his cabinet with a hideous melange of Goldman-Sachsers and swamp creatures. What did these attempts at conciliation get him? Nothing. It only allowed the forces arrayed against the nascent nationalist movement to consolidate their power and mount an effective counterattack, which would love to claim as its highest prize the coiffed scalp of his illustrious person.

    There is no denying that Trump has been a huge disappointment and he will continue to be a disappointment as long as he is in power. This is never going to get any better, but we’re still stuck supporting Trump because he’s the only candidate we’ve got. The situation is akin to being a son who has a mentally unbalanced, embarrassing, and unsuccessful father whom you constantly have to cover for and protect because, like or not, the family honor is still bound up with the fate of this individual and you must do what you can to prevent the name from being sullied, all while continuing to hold your own against a hostile world.

    Those are the hard facts of our political situation. Let him who imagines otherwise depart to the realm of the op-eds. Optimism is cowardice and our only hope lies in dealing with the situation as it is.

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  28. ” I believe that what we are seeing is a massive and deliberate attack by the Neocons and their deep state against the political system and the people of the United States ”

    Believing for me is the understatement.
    This is quite clear to me.
    As prof Laslo Maracs, UVA Amsterdam stated ‘Deep State is a fungus that grows through the entire USA society’.
    What Trump does, I suppose and hope, is ending USA militarism, the effort that FDR began in 1933 to subjugate the whole world.
    A 180° turn of in many respects the most powerful and important country in the world of course is a hazardous operation.
    Too many careers are based on the old course, too many institutions and industries depend on it.
    In this respect the USA resembles the EU, nearly half of the citizens of the EU member states do not want an EU.
    These are very interesting times, but if things will not get nasty, I wonder.
    I’m old, ill, maybe a few years more to live, so for me personally it does not matter much.
    But I fear for my relatives.

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  29. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS
    Ahu....something is getting eerie on this Website.

    This is the third time in less than a week that I've found myself on the same page with people who I am not even in the same book with, most of the time.

    I agree with:


    ...the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it’s hard to believe that they didn’t know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can’t see them flying blind the whole time.
     
    My take is: they wanted to go close to the very top, BUT, not on the top itself.
    Actually, not my take but take of some people very close to that team. They just told me that.

    Trump was perfectly ready to work from a very close loss; he got surprised by the win.

    Anyway, that's actually not that important.
    This is:


    Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump’s political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they’re not getting from Trump’s supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.
     
    I've been thinking about this a lot. Actually, I haven'b been thinking about anything else, in my free time that is, as much as about this.
    I could, probably, write 100 pages just right now about all....that.
    Waste of time.

    Not so long ago I got into...ahm..."discussion" with an American, here, about that. Apparently, a smart man with good intentions, feisty too, a member of Trump power base. My take from that "conversation" was, well......"naivety".

    Problem with Trump base is, IMHO, just that. They do , deep in their hearts, believe in the system.

    We...outsiders....don't.
    Well, I guess we know our place in Universe; we aren't exceptional, just some guys making ends in this world. Americans....well........
    And, should one say something along those lines the reaction is, how to put it.....intense.

    If that was happening in any country of this world I wouldn't spend 5 seconds on that.
    But, whatever happens in USA has direct repercussions to the rest of the world, this place I live in somewhere close to the top of that list ("Five Eyes" and such). Hell, on all international matters we are simply an extension of USA here in Pacific. Or everywhere where Washington wants. Before it was London, now it's Washington.
    Even that wouldn't matter much. What does matter is this stupid, STUPID, poking The Bear.
    As you already know I am sure should push come to shove Kremlin will fold. Yes, I know what you think about it.
    Having said that, I also believe it will keep folding up to a moment when IDIOTS in Washington won't recognize and then we are ALL fucked.

    It's like high school bully. He picks up a guy. Always the same pattern: bully pushes, reasonable guy retreats. He thinks of school, grades, police, future...stuff like that.
    Each time the reasonable guy thinks bully will have enough and find somebody else. No...bully pushes again. And again. Each time he pushes and the reasonable guy retreats the bully gets emboldened more...And then one day he crosses the line and he didn't see it.
    And then, when all that happens, school management, ambulance, parents, police....you can see that shocked surprise on what's left of bully's face. Thinking : what...happened....?

    I just have a feeling that these histerics in Washington are of the same type. They are idiots who won't see the "red line".
    As you say:


    ... the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they’re boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they’re not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.
     
    In this case, the end game could very well be that M.A.D.

    And, again, when you think about all this..what to do?
    I really believe that the key to positive outcome is PROPER engagement of Trump base.
    The only key.

    This is the third time in less than a week that I’ve found myself on the same page with people who I am not even in the same book with, most of the time.

    I’m reminded of Mark Twain’s anecdote about his father…
    “When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years.”

    It took you much less than 7 years to come to Twain’s conclusion. Congrats!
    Cheers

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  30. mcohen says:

    D.Trump only has one single task.just one.that is along with V.putin to finally arrange a negotiated settlement between the Israeli’s and Palestinians.i pray that both sides accept the inevitable and move forward.peace in august or war in october.

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    Bullshit .....if not for Putin Russia is lost. I hope that they make it .......with all that they know they still do not completely understand how demented the US is........and how lost they are to "chosen" people. They are chosen all right , chosen to fuck anyone that they get in their sights. And the plebs just seem to let it happen ......amazing.


    What planet does this mcohen live on ??? Get a life ......another idiot.
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  31. Well , the russians are a bit slow to undestand , USA nie-dogobor-aspasobni ? , of course

    Don`t they remember Alaska ? , don`t they remember the Communist coup d` Etat ? don`t they remember the fake Cold War , don`t they remember the anticommunist ( antirrussian really ) crusade , don`t they see the endless antirussian crusade , regardeless of the political system in Russia ?

    The native american indians knew it ” white man , double tongue ”

    The mexicans know it , they were robbed of half their territory by the yanks

    The yanks robbed Spain`s Cuba , Puerto Rico and the Philipines

    The yanks have organized countless wars , coups d`Etat , revolutions , around the world . They have 1000 military bases out of the country , do 50% of the military spending of the world , have 16 paralel intelligence agencies ……

    The world , and even a great part the yankee people are very tired of the paranoid permanent agression of the usa against the world , against God .

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    The mexicans know it , they were robbed of half their territory by the yanks
     
    In fairness, that was the territory with the paved roads and not under the Hacienda system.
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  32. Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that “one inch” narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.”

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that “NATO’s expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation.” According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection “German Unification” at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm “verbal promises” as a major basis for one’s argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue — surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting — was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

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    "Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation"
    You mean USSR occupation, of course.
    Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US removes it's illegal forces in Syria, stops supporting the crypto-
    -Nazi coup government in Ukraine, withdraws it's missiles from Poland etc (oh, we'll protect you from non existent Iranian nuclear weapons) & pulls back it's conventional forces, stops proving up invasions like the Georgian invasion of Sth Iapetus, stops interfering in what remains of the democratic processes of the former USSR states, stops supporting terrorists across the ME, stops interfering in the energy business of its allies in the EU, stops it's lies & threats against Russian allies such as Iran & stops iys criminal sanctions on Russia....Well, that scratches the surface, anyway....
    , @Comanche
    are u ok ? Russia occupying her province of Kaliningrad ?

    maybe your country is occupying illegally California , Arizona , Nevada , Colorado , Utah , New Mexico , Oklahoma and Texas ?

    get your nato out of Europe , Europe is fed un with your 80.000 yankee occupation troops .

    even baltics are missing russians , baltics` population is going down since they left CCCP , they are fed up with american warmongers , they do not want to be cannon fodder for the well paid excentric american militarists .
    , @TomSchmidt
    Do you have a link on the Russian occupation of Kaliningrad being illegal? I've never read this.

    Who is supposed to moved into it? The Ostpreussen are long gone. Maybe it was supposed to be for the former Volga Germans?
    , @karakulaitis
    You logorrheic schmuck , do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the Soviet Union in 1990 ?

    1990 : Estonia 1,600.000 2017 : Estonia 1,200.00

    1990 : Letonia 2,700.000 2017 : Letonia 1,900.000

    1990 : Lituania 3,700.000 2017 : Lituania 2,800.000


    Looks like they are being exterminated by the new NATO/EU regime , don`t you think so ?

    It is a new version of the plan Ost ?
    , @Herald
    Despite your assertions, Kalingrad is legally part of Russia and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future. Only someone with a vested interest in its status would be banging on about it.
    , @Anonymous

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence
     
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  33. El Dato says:
    @Quartermaster

    Because the Russians have concluded a long time ago that the US officials are “non-agreement capable” (недоговороспособны).
     
    The US has known this about Russia and its Soviet forebears for a very long time. Yeltsin was willing to keep the Budapest Memorandum, but Putin has abrogated it against someone that did him, and his country, no harm.

    Putin is a danger to his country. Russia is simply eating its seed corn.

    The US “knows” nothing as it has neither an institutional nor a politicial nor a historical memory. Anything is done on the spur of the moment based on low-grade emotional assessment.

    Temporary allies always forget though, then are left to be wrecked/deported/elminated as the winds change.

    Ask interpreters for US troops in Iraq what happened to them.

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  34. El Dato says:
    @paranoid empire
    Well , the russians are a bit slow to undestand , USA nie-dogobor-aspasobni ? , of course

    Don`t they remember Alaska ? , don`t they remember the Communist coup d` Etat ? don`t they remember the fake Cold War , don`t they remember the anticommunist ( antirrussian really ) crusade , don`t they see the endless antirussian crusade , regardeless of the political system in Russia ?

    The native american indians knew it " white man , double tongue "

    The mexicans know it , they were robbed of half their territory by the yanks

    The yanks robbed Spain`s Cuba , Puerto Rico and the Philipines

    The yanks have organized countless wars , coups d`Etat , revolutions , around the world . They have 1000 military bases out of the country , do 50% of the military spending of the world , have 16 paralel intelligence agencies ......

    The world , and even a great part the yankee people are very tired of the paranoid permanent agression of the usa against the world , against God .

    The mexicans know it , they were robbed of half their territory by the yanks

    In fairness, that was the territory with the paved roads and not under the Hacienda system.

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    Reconquista
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  35. chris says:

    I find most of the cartoons very much on target if you just replace Putin with Nethenyahoo. And of course that goes for all the last US presidents and presidential aspirants.

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    I'm afraid an accurate ly graphic cartoon of Israel/US relations would involve xxx content: a depiction of rape in a male prison would come closest....
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  36. chris says:

    If Trump can’t even stick to his own words, how could anybody expect the Russians to take anything he says seriously?!

    I think this is tanken too seriously; the Russians definitely appreciate Trump’s courage in taking a step toward them in an era of such hysteria. Trump is being beaten down by the propaganda arm of the deep state (the MSM) but his tenacity is paying off. Already poles are indicating that the majority of people are not taken in by the charade. As with the 2016 election, a sizable portion of the population just ain’t buying it.

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  37. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:

    I dunno whether citing Nancy Pelosi on anything is relevant. Never had courage on anything during the Dubya Years, and now she’s pretty gone, a political career robot with decaying functions.

    You can practically see the cabling coming out of the spine, she’s probably having herself dominated remotely via TeamViewer by MS-13 members, too.

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  38. @Anonymous
    Trump was a complete outsider to politics when he decided to run for the presidency in 2015. He had no team or political allies. He really didn't have much of a philosophy of governance, a solid foundation of history and facts, a first rate vocabulary or the debating skills of an 8th grader. He has consistently failed to win over any Democratic and probably not even a majority of Republican politicians.

    The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every level.

    His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it's difficult for the man to retain his credibility before the public.

    Actually, a smidgen south of half the public are the only base of his support. And a very eclectic base they are, including numerous liberals, progressives, intellectuals and peaceniks, in addition to conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians, who prefer to deal with the real world rather than Hillary's deliberate misrepresentation of it.

    Will that be enough for him to survive? The way the maniacs are raving in the media, expect the country to throw a big celebration if he gets "taken out" one way or another tomorrow. The situation is really dangerous and utterly shameful. Most of the blame goes to Hillary Clinton and her insurrectionists for not accepting the outcome of our system of ersatz "democracy." Her husband won with something like 43% of the popular vote in 1992. I'm pretty sure Trump had a higher number. Cry me a river, Hillary, but stop trying to destroy what you can't have like a petulant child.

    (I'm a liberal Democrat.)

    I agree with your comments. I wish to emphasize one point: Trump was NEVER given a chance. The establishment HATED him from his candidacy. That hatred has become more pathological by the day.
    It’s gone beyond “agreeing”/ “disagreeing” with Trump: this is a sickening assault on U.S democracy.
    The Democratic Party IS guilty of treason. The US establishment – the deep state, if you like is — criminally INSANE.

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  39. @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Unfortunately your explanation of what drives the hatred of Putin and Trump reeks of a civic nationalist world view.

    Voting in the US is driven by racial tribalism. The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks....Donald Trump’s voting bloc is majority Working Class Native Born White American. White Liberal Democrats would not be able to wage the coup against Trump and possibly-very likely-thermonuclear war against Christian Russia were it not for the existence of an exponentially growing post-1965 nonwhite majority Democratic Party Voting Bloc. As a consequence, it is not possible to understand the war against Christian Russia if the passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act is not included in the analysis.

    Without a doubt, the Democratic Party Greedy Cheating White Liberals want to murder Christian Russia and The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority.....

    I think there is an element of truth to your views. However, I can’t get past the fact that the head of this Trump hating psychotics are native born white Americans. Yes, they pander to “minorities” but it’s merely a means to their own piggish elite ends. Minorities are also “useful idiots”….

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  40. chris says:

    … the people of the US and the people of Russia have the same enemy – the Neocons – and that makes them de-facto allies …

    There’s definitely something to this statement. I think the Russian people can definitely commensurate with the “deplorables” as they too have (and to some extent continue to) spend many decades under Jewish dominated Nomenklatura.

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  41. anastasia says:

    Trump did not do anything different in this meeting with Putin than any other leader, who had in the past met with the Russian leader. It was not what was done; it was the reaction to what was presumed to have been done, and wasn’t..

    The entire Mueller investigation is being conducted, and will continue for all the years of the Trump Presidency, to be sure, to insure that Trump does not do what he promised to do during his campaign – cooperate with Putin and get out of the mid-east. It is very obvious that so far, Trump has shown to have completely reneged on his campaign promises in this regard (eg. putting military bases in Syria, evacuating ISIS commandos, bombing Syria, recognizing Jerusalem as the state capital, continuing the war in Afghanistan, arming to the teeth Saudi Arabia, etc. and some of the actions he has taken were based upon patent and obvious lies (eg. bombing Syria……..twice).

    If one listens carefully to the concerns of Trump in the Putin meeting, it was predominantly the “security” of Israel vis a vis Iran. It was not the Untied States, but Israel that was his major concern, and if you listen even more carefully, anyone could have heard some key words, “Putin is a big fan of BeeBee”, which means what? It means that these mid-eastern wars are never, never. never going to end.

    All this noise coming from the right and left is only that………….noise. Because really nothing under the sun has changed.

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  42. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    By the way, these are typical Neocon-style tactics: double-down, then double-down again, then issue statements which make it impossible for you to back down, then repeat it all as many times as needed.
     
    It's like trial lawyers say: if the facts are on your side and the law is not, then argue the facts; if the law is on your side and the facts are not, then argue the law; and if neither the facts nor the law are on your side, then bang your fists on the table and shout as loud as you can! That's exactly what the neo-clowns are doing here.

    ... the Neocons and the Clinton gang are willing to say anything, no matter how destabilizing, to hurt Trump even if the US political system by itself is also put at risk.
     
    All of which just helps to further discredit the empire. Even with all the insanity in the media, I still thank God every day that Hellary did not become president.

    the lawfully elected President is being openly delegitimized and that, in turn, delegitimizes the electoral process which brought him to power and, of course, it also excoriates the “deplorables” who dared vote for him: the majority of the American people.

    Neocons have seized power and are sacrificing the US for the sake of their imperial designs,
    that is simply not going to happen, and the Russians understand that.

    transition from ::to
    1-from. one nation ::to-1-many colonies, protectorates, puppet regimes+comprador-run vassal states
    2-from peaceful instigators ::to-2. barkers of orders and abusers of the use of force
    3-from policy experts :: to-3. private monopoly powered corporate war monger and propagandize
    4-from best of its kind :: to-4 a wasted has been; w/o air, sea or land military superiority
    5-from rational global leader :: to-5 chaotic commanders engaged in simultaneous conflicts
    6-from a cooperating society :: to-6 a segmented fight raging society of multiple conflict in fighting society
    7-from a popularist state :: to-7 a Apartheid-Israeli Lobby lead state
    8-from respected word keepers :: to-8 untrustworthy abdicators, abandoning agrmts as it suits the situation.
    9-from positive leadership :: to-9 infantile, demented, embarrassing, threatening outburst

    But I think the ruling classes intensity is a result of copyright and patent laws and other devices too numerous to list here have been taken to privatize the public resources held in trust by the USA into the hands of Pharaoh and his right arm corporations. Essentially American public assets were entrusted to the USA, and its corporate elected leaders pieced the public assets up, and sold them to the highest bidder. Now the successful bidders are trying to get control or ownership over the remaining few assets that still held in the public [USA} trust, when that is finished America will be wasted and the USA will become a dictatorship.

    Privatization is the first and foremost internal problem; unless it is fixed, nothing will change.

    What do I mean by privatization? Whole segments of the national USA and global economy now belong to one or a few private enterprises: by contract, by rule of some law, or by ownership of assets that were taken, or that are controlled by contract, or agreement, the public domain was reduced and the private domain was increased. Substantial economic power and most political power h\b transferred into private hands.

    Private corporations have become global, have acquired many public resources, and are now in control of whole segments of the profit potential in the entire world. This makes them as big as or bigger than the nations states that gave birth to them.
    America is just a small part of the private corporate wealth generating reach of the private domain. What corporations don’t control is left to government. What’s wrong with that?
    Private corporations (PCs) conduct their affairs independent of national laws and politics, but the political systems and the people that depend on those political systems are highly dependent, not on government, but on these private corporations.

    Privatization means a part of the public domain has been transferred to the private domain (mostly corporations). Water franchises, health care, pharmaceuticals, hospitals, military arms production, transportation (airlines and ships used to be public owned or highly controlled quasi-governmental entities), energy production and distribution, private armies, public research discoveries converted by rule of law and investment capital into private properties, global manufacturers of important and necessary software or hardware systems or components ; energy, water, gas production and distribution, and services such as garbage, jail management, education, and so on, are public services provided by private corporations.

    Just as British Colonial Aristocrats and their massive corporations were doing in 1776, today’s elites are busy transferring public government and American assets, resources, and governing powers to their private selves.

    The USA has become a transfer mechanism and a transport company. Those in power are transferring massive arrays of public rights, duties, and resources to private corporate opulence. The elite (Pharaoh and his private corporation) have not been more secure, but Americans have reached the extended edge of insecurity. Leadership now consist of two masters: Public elected government 40% and privately owned corporations 60%.
    Pieces of the public government were carved out and given to private corporate enterprises. Each transfer from public government to private corporate government; provides elites more power, and the government that represents the public less power.

    The problems the Saker presents are all results of the private taking from public.

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  43. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    If the media truly hated Trump as much as they say they did, they would never have put him front and center during the primary and given him all that publicity. They would have Ron Pauled him into public oblivion. They had complete control, but instead of ignoring him, they put him front of center.

    And those polls? If they were rigged, the media knew they were rigged, and would have conducted one in secret. And why would Hillary have a schedule of campaign stops, half of which were lies. Why was she lying about her campaign schedule? His election was a surprise to no one, except those they wanted to fool – the public.

    The “surprise” of his election was nothing more than part of the grand theatre we see being played now.

    There was collusion all right during this election, but it certainly wasn’t with the Russians.

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    If the media truly hated Trump as much as they say they did, they would never have put him front and center during the primary and given him all that publicity. They would have Ron Pauled him into public oblivion. They had complete control, but instead of ignoring him, they put him front of center.
     
    What's more likely, I think, is that the media thought Trump had no chance. They had to give some coverage to someone other than Hilary, in order to preserve the illusion that the election wasn't already rigged, so they covered Trump. (That he was already famous on TV, and had the people interested, encouraged this.)

    One indication that the Deep State thought they had the election in the bag was that they didn't even bother to cheat on the vote count. When Trump won, it was a surprise and a shock, and the Deep Staters have yet to recover.

    , @Fatima Manoubia
    Indeed....

    https://twitter.com/therealsurkov/status/1024068074285219840
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  44. Kiza says:

    Every empire in history, after conquering its future colonies, ruled those colonies with a good degree of acceptance by the colonised population. Now the US claims that it is a global empire, the biggest one in history, but I know of no country which likes to be even man-handled let alone managed by US. Therefore, I fail to understand where this claim to empire comes from. Yes, the behaviour appears empirial (for example requesting delivery of some “12 Russians” that some third-rate US horse-face pretend-policeman identified as perpetrators of a crime which never happened), but every Napoleon in my local asylum for the insane behaves empirially.

    As to Pellosi and the gang who suck the dicks of Netanyahoo and MbS, the real mass murderers, like little bunny rabbits suck bottles of milk, their words on Putin are words of frustration due to the fact that Putin will never offer his member to be similarly sucked.

    Let me summise it simply: what an amazing fuck up US is under its Jewish ownership.

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  45. Here is the specific threat to CIA impunity behind the US propaganda hysterics. Russia is turning over the rocks where CIA hides its moles in the US government. Russia knows what the perps are up to, so US state secrets don’t protect them as they do at home.

    The CIA focal points that Fletcher Prouty told us about decades ago, they’re still infesting the government, dug in deeper than ever. Russia proposes to question them. It’s the American public’s first look at the secret dotted-line reports CIA uses to control the US government.

    From Meduza: “The list of names also includes Homeland Security Department official Todd Hyman (who testified in a deposition against Prevezon, a Russian company accused of laundering proceeds from the fraud uncovered by Sergey Magnitsky), Svetlana Engert (who supposedly stole criminal case materials from Russia), Alexander Shvartsman (who supposedly oversaw Browder’s stay in the U.S.), Jim Rote (a supposed CIA agent acting as Browder’s “financial manager”), Robert Otto (who supposedly served as deputy director of a U.S. intelligence agency until January 2017), David Kramer (who recently served as an adviser to the U.S. State Department), Jonathan Wiener (a long-time aide to John Kerry and an adviser on national security), and Kyle Parker (a recent U.S. State Department official), according to Kurennoi.”

    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/621432

    The US agents Russia singled out for questioning: Browder, Steele, McFaul (CIA war propaganda against Russia,) Jonathan Wiener (Lockerbie fabricator and DoS focal point,) David J. Kramer (ran Russian agents from DoS DRL and CIA’s Freedom House), Kyle Parker (CIA mole on Senate staff) Todd Hyman, Schvartsman (CIA’s DHS moles.) and Jim Rote, a garden-variety CIA spook rather than an agent, and CIA’s transnational organized crime boss Robert Otto.

    Russia is showing us how CIA infiltrates and controls the entire US government.

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    interesting that Russia has been called to defend itself in England. There its Novichok the instant death substance arguably produced in London by USA controlled labs or taken from the old USSR when it fell apart.
    Putin vs British government case: Putin charged with poisoning an ex Russian spy and his daughter, unfortunately for the media and the British corporate Zionist both Russians survived,
    Russia has called the British liars to the carpet.. Russia demands an investigation but the Banksters and their corporations refuse to allow the British Government to open its "so-called" investigation to Russian questioning.

    Keep your eyes focused on Nord II. the one road one belt, Turkey moving in support of Syria and Yemen against Saudi Arabia, BRICS and concern yourself with the fact that Russia not only does not own any USA debt, but Russia also has a non federal reserve approved monetary exchange operation, SCO is growing in strength, China Gold backed bonds are available for anyone to buy and convert the face value of the bond to gold. These are game changers.

    Stay tuned for more privately owned advertising supported corporate media productions showing on "FREE THEATER". M 16, (criminal instigating Association) CIA and Mossad employees are busy writing new propaganda, budget is not a problem, the Russian's will be made to pay for the articles, movies etc. so everything is free. Enjoy!
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  46. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s accomplishments:

    (1) continuing indefinitely the war in Afghanistan
    (2) bombing Syria twice for reasons which he knew or should have known were false.
    (3) putting a military base in Syria as an invader https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/u-s-forces-set-up-new-base-in-syria-s-manbij-despite-turkish-threats-1.6073192 something no President dared do in the past.
    (4) appointing neo-con war mongers in all key cabinet positions
    (5) telling police (on video for all the world to hear) to confiscate guns and “worry about due process later” (13 states have followed this advice) This statement tramples upon not only the second amendment, but the fifth and fourteenth as well
    (6) saying absolutely nothing about Google, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, censuring all right wing groups, showing that he doesn’t give a hoot about anyone’s lst amendment rights, including his supporters.
    (7) recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (at a cost of thousands injured and dead Palestinians during Israel’s celebration)
    (8) sanctioning Russia at least three times since he has been in office; with sanctions more severe than those imposed by Obama.
    (9) having the US military evacuate ISIS commandos in Syria
    (10) breaching the agreement with Iran at a time when the only party with continuing contract obligations was Iran who was abiding by the contract (he certainly was not going to get back the Obama money,w hich is the only thing he complained about during his campaign)
    (11) fully funding planned parenthood (now trying to undo this Congressional action with an Executive Order which compounds the problem in his attempt to usurp the powers of Congress, violating Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution)
    (12) not building the wall
    (13) lying about his gross immorality (keep in mind that if the Senate impeached Clinton for committing fellatio in the Oval Office with a foolish young girl in her early twenties, Trump would never have dared to run for office with his background)
    (14) lying about the economy (saying there was 4 percent unemployment when all the big retailers employing hundreds of thousands went out of business on the heels of his statement)
    (15) proposing to reward millions of immigrants who have broken our laws

    Yet, his supporters are still on the street with those silly hats reciting their mantra that he is making America great again.

    What he is doing in fact is continuing unjustified wars (military Keynesian economics that will destroy the US) while simultaneously and quietly taking away our constitutional rights. Those are his biggest “accomplishments”

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    Reading your list I must say Trump does even better than I thought he had.
    You have been fooled completely by Trump.
    What Trump is accomplishing you can watch day for day at CNN, complete hysteria about Trump, they there, I must admit, do see his accomplishments.
    At no time in history did the leader of an empire understand that the empire could no longer afford imperialism, and acted accordingly.
    If I'm right, Trump does.
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  47. Z-man says:

    An example has to be made of one or two Neocons/Deep State’rs….

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  48. You, sir, are an optimist.

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  49. @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Unfortunately your explanation of what drives the hatred of Putin and Trump reeks of a civic nationalist world view.

    Voting in the US is driven by racial tribalism. The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks....Donald Trump’s voting bloc is majority Working Class Native Born White American. White Liberal Democrats would not be able to wage the coup against Trump and possibly-very likely-thermonuclear war against Christian Russia were it not for the existence of an exponentially growing post-1965 nonwhite majority Democratic Party Voting Bloc. As a consequence, it is not possible to understand the war against Christian Russia if the passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act is not included in the analysis.

    Without a doubt, the Democratic Party Greedy Cheating White Liberals want to murder Christian Russia and The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority.....

    Sound analysis, WBC.

    I’d just quibble that it’s unlikely that the majority of Trump’s voters were “blue collar”, if that’s what we mean by working class.

    Many millions of patriotic conservative, nationalist, and libertarian people working in “white-collar” jobs voted for Trump (as well as some more lefty white-collar folks who couldn’t abide the DNC’s rigging the primaries against Sanders and/or her obvious personal corruption, incessant warmongering, and loyalty to very rich folks in the finance/banking and entertainment fields).

    Unfortunately, if we’re counting manufacturing and assembly jobs as “blue collar” or “working class”, there just aren’t enough of those jobs left in the USA for their holders to constitute a majority even of Trump voters. That was part of Trump’s appeal, right, the endless loss of good-paying jobs actually making things of tangible usefulness and value?

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  50. @peterAUS
    Well....it's not bad to see that people who disagree on almost everything (you and me, I mean) do agree on this:

    The biggest problem of course is that the American people will buy into anything as long as they think they are getting something for nothing,and I don’t see that changing regardless of who’s in the the oval office..!!
     
    This fact (and I believe it's a hard fact) needs better understanding.

    How come that in this word of instant communication and accumulated human knowledge at fingertips, one can behave that way?

    I have a theory. It's the same theory I have about addicts, from those into fast food to heroin.

    The problem, here, is that addicts, in essence, control a big part of US projection of power.

    So, at one hand we have addicts and at another hysterics. In the middle we have nuclear capability to destroy life on Earth as we see it. Something like that.

    I think that, in practical terms, we have a constitutional problem.

    The Founding Fathers devised a system for different people and different capability to deliver power to "outside".
    They did not, and I do blame them for that, take into account a possibility that the world, and PEOPLE, will change.

    So, here we are.

    What “we” have is a corrupt US (global) elite. An elite, primed in the 80′s & let entirely off the leash in ’91.
    Benevolent despots ? A concept with only the vaguest comprehension.
    No – these US/ Globalist elites just KNEW history was on THEIR side. Take the brakes off, & spin the capitalist coin: heads – class war; tails imperialism. Win -win. (Can’t remember his name – guy who runs Hathaway-something: “there is class war, & my class is winning”. Damn few business men are as worshipped as this bloke) And yes, just look at the 90′s, the Yeltsin years, the Clinton years … looked like it was all working out.
    Well, contradictions will “out”. And here we are.
    A ruling class descending into sociopathology.
    A public unable to fully comprehend the toxic brew bubbling just beneath the surface ( the 6 o’clock news, comfortable, day in day out, pay the damn bills, the kid’s teeth need braces & the car a new exhaust).
    I won’t mention climate change – few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?
    We are in diabolical trouble…but fuck it – instinctively we all know it’s a Panglossian universe….& the devil take the hindmost.

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    Well, contradictions will “out”. And here we are.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFSE4dUJYM8

    I won’t mention climate change – few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?
     
    Yes actually, this is gonna compound on the rest of the pain train..
    , @peterAUS

    ....A public unable to fully comprehend....
     
    Really?

    Why?

    What's to hard to fully comprehend?
    This ain't quantum physics.

    Not enough time in busy lives to spend some effort on the topic?
    Yeah.......But enough time for shopping, social media, online entertainment and such.
    Etc.

    No.

    Yes, the elites are corrupted.
    But, the masses are corrupted too.
    THAT is the problem here.

    Or, Trump support base is corrupted too. Not as bad/evil/malicious. As weak.
    W........e.........a.........k.

    And weak always get ruled by strong.

    What did/do they think? That the same people who can slaughter hundreds of thousands Iraqis without missing their lunch are just going to give up their power like that? That the half an hour of voting "effort" will change that game of power?

    What are they doing now?

    How can one expect to challenge that power by sitting at home and waiting for one man to go against all that?
    Bullshit.

    I've been told that "Trump base" doesn't do mass demonstrations.
    I still don't get why not?
    What's so hard to do, WHENEVER Dems/progs pull their numbers on the street, the "Trump base" does the same? That's reactive. Go active.
    Whenever Trump pulls some of his moves which flips the Dems/progs his support base floods the streets From the little town in Midwest to New York.

    What's so hard about that? The same people have no problem going out....watching games...being outdoors..whatever.
    Oh, yes, it could get...what....dangerous? Really?
    What? Fistfights? Shooting? What happened to that "brave" in the "land of...."?

    Don't get this post wrong. Not directed at you. It's directed at lazy and weak people who are out of their depth.
    Wouldn't be a problem save what's going to happen when Dems/progs get their person in White House.

    Then, all of us, will have fun times I am sure.
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  51. @War for Blair Mountain
    The Paradox:

    The above h0moerotic caricature of Putin and Trump is quite revealing in what it tells us about what drives the emotional life of White Liberals and White Leftist. They are driven by powerful urges to impose homosexuality-pedophilia-pederasty on both Christian Russia and the Working Class Native Born White American Christians.

    However, to get themselves elected into power, White Liberals and White Leftists have to import socially and culturally conservative post-1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrants who absolutely hate White Liberals and White Leftist.


    Without a doubt there is an expiration date...right around the bend in the road...for White Liberals and White Leftist....and the mutilated-tranny freak Antifa.....Comming up....round the bend....yeaaaah!!!...do do do...de dah...dee dah.......do do do de dah...de dah...dah....I think it’s mixolydian A......

    Both the USA and Russia are much less “Christian” than you make out.

    But you’re right, of course, that our enemies seem especially motivated to destroy any nation with a meaningful vestige of Western (Greco-Roman-Anglo-European) Civilization and/or Christian mores.

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  52. @Johnny Rico
    Lol. Okay, buddy.

    I am coming to the paradoxical conclusion that this summit was both a non-event and a truly historical watershed moment.
     
    It could just as easily be said that the summit was an EVENT and NOT a watershed moment. And it wouldn't take 4300 words to explain.

    You don't want nuclear WW3? Is that so? Precious.

    Try not smoking crack for breakfast.

    Nothing but snark and ad hominem, JR. Those are fun and have their place, but what are your specific, substantive disagreements with Saker and what is some of your contrary reasoning and evidence on each point?

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    The Saker's pieces make up a fantasy world like Dungeons and Dragons. The Saker being the dungeon-master.

    It is a world replete with conspiracy theory and with the forces of good led by the Saker, Putin, and Andrei Martyanov in a Manichaean struggle against the evil Anglo-Zionist Empire headed by Adelson and Netanyahu.

    Is the Deep State the same thing as the Anglo-Zionist Empire? Who is in control? Where do they meet? What exactly does the term Neocon mean anymore? The United States has not launched a war since 2003.

    The Saker gets about 150 comments a week from maybe 50 or 100 regulars on UNZ. That's a very small audience.

    This is more like a little group-think cult than international security discussion to be taken seriously.

    The Saker seems to spend more time watching the mainstream media and nurturing resentments than reading and researching.

    In real life people look at me like I'm crazy when I mention some of the issues that are taken for granted here on 'The Saker.' Yeah, yeah, I know - they've all been brainwashed.

    You want substance and specifics? Fine.

    On each point?! Jesus. Okay, gimme a sec. Anything else?

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  53. Miro23 says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Unfortunately your explanation of what drives the hatred of Putin and Trump reeks of a civic nationalist world view.

    Voting in the US is driven by racial tribalism. The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks....Donald Trump’s voting bloc is majority Working Class Native Born White American. White Liberal Democrats would not be able to wage the coup against Trump and possibly-very likely-thermonuclear war against Christian Russia were it not for the existence of an exponentially growing post-1965 nonwhite majority Democratic Party Voting Bloc. As a consequence, it is not possible to understand the war against Christian Russia if the passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act is not included in the analysis.

    Without a doubt, the Democratic Party Greedy Cheating White Liberals want to murder Christian Russia and The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority.....

    The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks….

    True enough but they aren’t necessarily against the “Deplorables”. For example Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez who recently won a Democratic primary in New York (against heavy odds) describes herself as a “Democratic Socialist” for affordable single-payer national healthcare, tuition free education in high schools and universities ,with a downsized MIC & Deep State and realistic corporate taxation helping pay for it.

    And on the Gaza border shooting of Palestinians she recently said, “This is a massacre. I hope my peers have the moral courage to call it such. No state or entity is absolved of mass shootings of protesters. There is no justification. Palestinian people deserve basic human dignity, as anyone else. Democrats can’t be silent about this anymore.” She opposes the Likudniks, AIPAC, Netanyahu and wants a two state solution.

    Democratic Socialism and Elite Globalist Zionism seem to have a problem living together in the Democratic Party.

    The strains are also visible in the UK where Jeremy Corbyn could also be described as a Democratic Socialist with much the same platform as Ocasio-Cortez and a good chance of becoming Prime Minister.

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  54. @Franz
    now undeniable that the system cannot reform itself

    Yes, Saker and that puts US politics behind European fascism of 70+ years ago.

    Mussolini was booted out by a fascist committee, Franco paved the way for a constitutional monarchy, but all Americans get is Bozo the Clown/President.

    The destruction of the US working class amazes me in its absence from all serious debate. First subverted by the CIA then rendered null by outsourcing (which is still undercounted) the "deplorables" have no mechanism for resistence except the unthinkable one: Hope for total breakup of the United States. Or hope for a foreign invasion.

    Makes one wonder. When Egyptians greeted Alexander the Great as a liberator as he conquered them, it was a fairly pungent comment on the ruling Persians. Will blue-collar former-Yanks be cheering for liberating Chinese or Russian troops anytime soon? Henry Kissinger once predicted something of the sort.

    We do live in interesting times.

    We don’t any occupying troops here, whether US Empire, Russian, or God help us Chinese.

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  55. @Erebus

    ... he didn’t expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
     
    I've heard this a lot, but find it hard to take seriously. Given that the Trump team ran a strategically brilliant campaign from the beginning of the primaries all the way to election day with barely a misstep, it's hard to believe that they didn't know it was working. Keenly targeted and executed on what amounts to a shoestring budget, it qualifies as one of the best campaigns in American electoral history and I can't see them flying blind the whole time.

    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.
     
    Here, I completely agree. Even though his numbers stayed good, Trump's political running room would be greatly expanded if his supporters continued to make their views known to Washington. The numbers continue to stay solid while his opponents get more shrill. The message they're not getting from Trump's supporters is to cease and desist, so they keep ratcheting it up.
    As you say, the pitch is getting a little alarming. Politically, they're boxing themselves into a corner from which they will eventually have to either act, or slink away in ignominy, and they're not the type that does ignominy well. I see no quiet endgame to it all.

    Trump – good & evil. But his base need to take to the streets…before he has a “problem in Dallas” or the dickless wonders in Congress finally get the gumption to impeach…(hard as that’s to believe of the Dem-castrartie party….)

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  56. The US has been a very succesful country , an amazing empire . In barely a century and a half expanded enormously thanks to northern european protestan inmigration and to the occupation of mexican territories .

    In 1945 the USA was on top ot the world , it was ” the shining city of the hill ” , the only city shining in the hill in fact , it had 50% of the world GDP . while the rest of the world was in ruins . The decadent europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . . The russians had suffered the horrors of the comunist revolution and the two world wars . The japanese although defeated had destroyed Asia , spetially China which also endured a civil war and a communist revolution .

    So , in 1945 the world was in ruins , and the USA was inded the only ” shining city on the hill ” . The USA never suffered the world wars destruction on its own territory , had few casulties in the world wars , and had 50% of the world GDP . Besides the USA inherited economically and politically the Bristish Empire that England ,exhausted by the two world wars could not maintain .

    In the 60`s the USA was still the ” shining city on the hill ” , Kennedy wanted to do some changes , I do not know which ones , and he was killed ( by the deep State ? ) , the world was shocked .

    In the 70`s Nixon finished the Vietnam war ( a colonial heritage of the french ) it was an american defeat , and the ” shining city in the hill ” impeached him ( the deep State does not accept defeat ) . Europe , the USSR , Japan , China , had recovered from the wars and wanted to have their shining little villages in the hills too .

    Presently the USA has 20% of the GDP , that`s a lot , the USA is a very powerful country , probably he most powerful country of the world , but 20% is not 50% . Probably Kennedy and Nixon realized that this day would come , and Trump sees that this day is arrived . Probably the american deep State would like to freeze time in 1945 , as well as the french deep State would like it to freeze history in 1805 in Austerlitz with Napoleon , or the Spanish deep State would like to freeze history in 1492 when Spain completely expelled the moors from Spain after seven centuries of fighting and discovered America , with the Catholic Kings .

    The deep States are always sick of imperial nostalgia , they are the war party , they would like to make war to anyone to threatens its 1945 imperial glorious moment . And the kennedies , nixons and trumps of this world are the party of peace , they want to adapt to a changing reality less glorious than the magic orgasmic moments that all empires have had , but more constructive , more adapted to an ever changing world .

    All the Empires that the earth has seen have passed though this dilemma : party of war vs party of peace . At the end the parties of peace end up prevailing , but the parties of war can make a lot of damage both to their own country and to others .

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    " The decadent europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . . "
    The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.
    Do not remember if it was here that I read what Mark Twain said or wrote 'it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'.
    About WWI:
    Charles Callan Tansill, 'Amerika geht in den Krieg', Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War, 1938)
    FDR's preparations for WWII:
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    Charles A. Beard, ‘President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances and realities’, New Haven, 1948
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  57. @Wally
    The neo-con Zionists and their leftists are seeing everything coming apart.
    They have been and are being exposed & rejected by way too many.
    Putin & Trump are merely the tip of the iceberg.

    The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible '6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers'. We all know it.

    The absurd 'holocaust' fiction has been the tool that previously silenced all debate.
    However, it's effectiveness is waning, people are learning about its complete impossibility, people are realizing that its propaganda and theater held together only by force & coercion.

    The increasing awareness of the fake 'holocaust' narrative is producing the real hysteria, the bizarre reactions by the Zionist controlled media prove it.
    The Zionist / leftist mafia certainly see the end coming and are trying everything, anything to put the horse back in the stable. It won't help.

    Science, rational thought, and logic simply & easily demolish the 'holocaust' Big Lie. It's no contest in debate.
    And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it in Europe. That's why we will see increasing, but ultimately futile attempts to silence all free speech about it in the US.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    Be part of the solution:
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    See the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    “The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it.”
    Sorry Wally, it goes a bit beyond dead Jews ( not to say that it has played NO part – but there are a huge number of factors. The 6 mil’ blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy).

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    “The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it.”
     
    Who is the "we" and who is in your bunker with you? Agree with the "glue" though.

    > impossible ’6,000,000 Jews

    Because Jews are a hard kill.
    , @Wally
    said:
    "Sorry Wally, it goes a bit beyond dead Jews ( not to say that it has played NO part – but there are a huge number of factors. The 6 mil’ blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy"

    I never said there were no other factors, no strawmen please, but the fake 6M, which Jews have been pushing since at least 1823, is the cattle prod supreme.

    said
    " The 6 mil’ blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy"

    So then you agree.

    www.codoh.com
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  58. English translation: at best Putin got nothing out of the summit and at worst, Trump’s grovelling painted both himself and Putin further into the corner into which they had both already painted themselves. The solution for Putin is obvious: abandon his alliance with the US against the EU, which, in any event, flies in the face of geographical reality, and return to his earlier alliance with the EU against the US. That would certainly suit the EU and would no doubt also suit China. Putin’s problem is Ukraine. There can be no alliance with the EU until Putin’s abandons his pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence” and accepts the principle of non-interference with the sovereignty and territorially integrity of other European states laid down in the Helsinki Final Act. He has to abandon the Donetsk-Lugansk “sausage” and agree to some classic European fudge on Crimea. Such a deal has been on the table since day one but Putin has refused to take it up, no doubt believing that his American supporters will serve him up all he wants on a silver platter without his having to make any concessions in return for it. If Putin had any political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d resign, say, at the start of next year. A new president would be elected who would take up the deal on Ukraine and return to close relations with the EU. He could also join in the building of an independent European defence system, based, most likely, on the OSCE. Since Trump keeps denouncing NATO, he could hardly object! For the European members of the alliance, the only advantage of NATO is that the US contributes 22% of the budget. If the US is unwilling to continue to pay, and the European members have to increasing defence spending, then NATO becomes totally useless. Why Putin is failing to take advantage of Trump’s innumerable blunders is an interesting question.

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    abandon his alliance with the US against the EU, which, in any event, flies in the face of geographical reality, and return to his earlier alliance with the EU against the US.
     
    I hope your shizophrenia stops when you got to bed at night.

    The EU is incapable of being in an "alliance against the US". I don't know where that "earlier" adjective comes from.

    He has to abandon the Donetsk-Lugansk “sausage” and agree to some classic European fudge on Crimea.
     
    Send a letter of advice. Crimea has to do naught with Europe. And what are those European fudges you are talking about? I haven't seen European fudges since maybe Louis XIV. It's been hardcore war and döner removal for some time now with assorted bomb drops, reaching into Lybia as needed.

    He could also join in the building of an independent European defence system, based, most likely, on the OSCE
     
    The OSCE is like a mini-UN. No defence system can come out of that.

    Why Putin is failing to take advantage of Trump’s innumerable blunders is an interesting question.
     
    Far more interesting is why you don't answer it, you seem to have Good Advice on all the rest. Spit it out.
    , @jilles dykstra
    If Putin got nothing, why the continuing CNN hysteria ?
    Why does Brussels fear that the E European states will turn around to Russia ?
    As to Trump's blunders, one only can know if he blunders or blundered if one knows what his objectives are.
    Until now my idea is that he does what he promised, America First, that is, USA citizens first.
    , @EagleEye
    bla,bla,bla,bla...fucking bla. A denial spin doctor .....America is full of 'em. Just cannot get a hold of reality.
    If you think that your spin is doing you some good ......have another look. It ain't. The shit hole you dig with your spin is getting deeper and deeper
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  59. @Cyrano
    Well on the way, head in a cloud
    The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
    But nobody ever hears him
    Or the sound he appears to make
    And he never seems to notice

    He never listens to them
    He knows that they're the fools
    They don't like him

    I don’t think that Trump is the fool on the hill. I think that mostly all those around him are. The latest hysteria over Russia is not about any “meddling” in any “democracy”.

    It’s about throwing tantrums that Russia won’t submit to US hegemony. In my opinion, they don’t deserve to be in charge of their own country, let alone to be asking to be in charge of Russia.

    All they come up with is terrible ideas which they in their generosity are way too eager to share with the world – against the wishes or the best interests of the world. Like the multiculturalism. It’s bad enough that they came up with that awful idea, but then they had to force it down the throats of the stupid Europeans.

    Then when Merkel showed enough brains to challenge their idea, they forced her to make 180 turn and to welcome over a 1 million refugees from the imperial misadventures.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/18/frum.merkel.multicultural

    I still think the best explanation of Merkel’s immigration policy is her belief that indeed the Germans are guilty of two world wars and the holocaust.
    Therefore ‘ein neuer Mensch’, a new German, must be created through mass immigration, as a German commentator explains.
    His book should be ready by now.
    His prediction is that just the E European countries, Hungary, Poland, etc., will remain European.
    Writing this, one may expect that they will turn politically to Russia, also a catholic white country.

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    I still think the best explanation of Merkel’s immigration policy is her belief that indeed the Germans are guilty of two world wars and the holocaust.
     
    There's definitely an element of this at work here, however I believe that her actions have very little to to do with commensuration for the refugees. I think that the Empire came to her and said, 'look here, we do the fighting, the Saudis pay the money, your job is to pick up the refugees.' In tern of course, Obama on one of his last days in office paid her back by having a private dinner with her, tete-a-tete.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3947542/Dinner-two-Barack-Obama-Angela-Merkel-share-intimate-meal-chance-reminisce-President-s-farewell-tour-reaches-Germany.html

    That was her payment, that and the fact that they arranged that her opponent in that election would be some dope who could not have won. (Of course he probably talked about how he was going to get rid of Trump as well.)

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  60. @Imperial myths
    The US has been a very succesful country , an amazing empire . In barely a century and a half expanded enormously thanks to northern european protestan inmigration and to the occupation of mexican territories .

    In 1945 the USA was on top ot the world , it was " the shining city of the hill " , the only city shining in the hill in fact , it had 50% of the world GDP . while the rest of the world was in ruins . The decadent europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . . The russians had suffered the horrors of the comunist revolution and the two world wars . The japanese although defeated had destroyed Asia , spetially China which also endured a civil war and a communist revolution .

    So , in 1945 the world was in ruins , and the USA was inded the only " shining city on the hill " . The USA never suffered the world wars destruction on its own territory , had few casulties in the world wars , and had 50% of the world GDP . Besides the USA inherited economically and politically the Bristish Empire that England ,exhausted by the two world wars could not maintain .

    In the 60`s the USA was still the " shining city on the hill " , Kennedy wanted to do some changes , I do not know which ones , and he was killed ( by the deep State ? ) , the world was shocked .

    In the 70`s Nixon finished the Vietnam war ( a colonial heritage of the french ) it was an american defeat , and the " shining city in the hill " impeached him ( the deep State does not accept defeat ) . Europe , the USSR , Japan , China , had recovered from the wars and wanted to have their shining little villages in the hills too .


    Presently the USA has 20% of the GDP , that`s a lot , the USA is a very powerful country , probably he most powerful country of the world , but 20% is not 50% . Probably Kennedy and Nixon realized that this day would come , and Trump sees that this day is arrived . Probably the american deep State would like to freeze time in 1945 , as well as the french deep State would like it to freeze history in 1805 in Austerlitz with Napoleon , or the Spanish deep State would like to freeze history in 1492 when Spain completely expelled the moors from Spain after seven centuries of fighting and discovered America , with the Catholic Kings .

    The deep States are always sick of imperial nostalgia , they are the war party , they would like to make war to anyone to threatens its 1945 imperial glorious moment . And the kennedies , nixons and trumps of this world are the party of peace , they want to adapt to a changing reality less glorious than the magic orgasmic moments that all empires have had , but more constructive , more adapted to an ever changing world .

    All the Empires that the earth has seen have passed though this dilemma : party of war vs party of peace . At the end the parties of peace end up prevailing , but the parties of war can make a lot of damage both to their own country and to others .

    ” The decadent europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . . ”
    The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.
    Do not remember if it was here that I read what Mark Twain said or wrote ‘it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled’.
    About WWI:
    Charles Callan Tansill, ‘Amerika geht in den Krieg’, Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War, 1938)
    FDR’s preparations for WWII:
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    Charles A. Beard, ‘President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances and realities’, New Haven, 1948

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    The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.
     
    That's kinda over the top.

    Continental suicide was on the books for the Great Continental War (I don't know how it comes it is called "World War") as general desire of revanchism, political nastiness, prussian militarism, yougoslav apsirations, decaying empires and the British desire for a continental balance of power met head-on with war tool mechanization. The US came online rather late.

    As for "Word War II", it was mainly about two socialist systems facing off, and Japan irking the US with a bout of late-onset colonialism. Also everyone going crazy with operations research and even more mechanization. So it should be called "Socialist War I with Colonialism on the side.".
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  61. @El Dato

    The mexicans know it , they were robbed of half their territory by the yanks
     
    In fairness, that was the territory with the paved roads and not under the Hacienda system.

    Reconquista

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  62. @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that "one inch" narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that "NATO's expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation." According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection "German Unification" at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm "verbal promises" as a major basis for one's argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue -- surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting -- was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

    “Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation”
    You mean USSR occupation, of course.
    Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US removes it’s illegal forces in Syria, stops supporting the crypto-
    -Nazi coup government in Ukraine, withdraws it’s missiles from Poland etc (oh, we’ll protect you from non existent Iranian nuclear weapons) & pulls back it’s conventional forces, stops proving up invasions like the Georgian invasion of Sth Iapetus, stops interfering in what remains of the democratic processes of the former USSR states, stops supporting terrorists across the ME, stops interfering in the energy business of its allies in the EU, stops it’s lies & threats against Russian allies such as Iran & stops iys criminal sanctions on Russia….Well, that scratches the surface, anyway….

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    Quote:
    Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US...[list of ten gripes]

    Perhaps Russian bureaucrats are discussing these disputes, but most of them are in different geographical "theaters" and need not necessarily be linked. Yet if there is any causality then you've got it completely mixed up because the occupation of the Königsberg region goes back to 1945 and thus even predates the illegal occupation of east and west Jerusalem, West Bank, Golan Heights, etc. I am definitely in favor of a grand resolution of numerous disputes.

    Propagandists like RT's Peter Lavelle (the slick American guy with the bow-tie) keep perpetuating the false notion that the so-called Cold War ended long ago, in 1991, and Americans have just recently invigorated it, but the fact is that this Cold War never ended, and Russia has simply chosen to perpetuate it -- and escalate it in the past year.

    While many may remain befuddled, the truth can easily be verified by independent research.
    , @Wally
    said:
    "-Nazi coup government in Ukraine"

    You mean 'the Nazis' that Israeli Jews are funding & arming? LOL

    Jews are therefore admitting the fakeness of the '6M'.

    www.codoh.com
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  63. @chris
    I find most of the cartoons very much on target if you just replace Putin with Nethenyahoo. And of course that goes for all the last US presidents and presidential aspirants.

    I’m afraid an accurate ly graphic cartoon of Israel/US relations would involve xxx content: a depiction of rape in a male prison would come closest….

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  64. Anon[235] • Disclaimer says:

    3.The US armed forces are only good at three things: wasting immense sums of money, destroying countries and alienating the rest of the planet.

    Alienating the rest of the planet:

    Wasting immense sums of money:

    The U.S. War Industry Raked in $5+ Billion Worth of Foreign Military Sales in June 2018

    July 27, 2018 / Christian Sorensen /

    “The U.S. war industry raked in $5,408,112,575 worth of foreign military sales (FMS) during June 2018. Notable items included $1.12 billion worth of Lockheed Martin F-16 aircraft for Bahrain and …”

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    Something out of a Kubrick Movie or out of Borat.

    Release the Nouveau Cheque!
    , @chris
    maybe they're singing: "We Arm the World"
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  65. iseeit says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump was a complete outsider to politics when he decided to run for the presidency in 2015. He had no team or political allies. He really didn't have much of a philosophy of governance, a solid foundation of history and facts, a first rate vocabulary or the debating skills of an 8th grader. He has consistently failed to win over any Democratic and probably not even a majority of Republican politicians.

    The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every level.

    His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it's difficult for the man to retain his credibility before the public.

    Actually, a smidgen south of half the public are the only base of his support. And a very eclectic base they are, including numerous liberals, progressives, intellectuals and peaceniks, in addition to conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians, who prefer to deal with the real world rather than Hillary's deliberate misrepresentation of it.

    Will that be enough for him to survive? The way the maniacs are raving in the media, expect the country to throw a big celebration if he gets "taken out" one way or another tomorrow. The situation is really dangerous and utterly shameful. Most of the blame goes to Hillary Clinton and her insurrectionists for not accepting the outcome of our system of ersatz "democracy." Her husband won with something like 43% of the popular vote in 1992. I'm pretty sure Trump had a higher number. Cry me a river, Hillary, but stop trying to destroy what you can't have like a petulant child.

    (I'm a liberal Democrat.)

    An uncommonly excellent analysis.
    High quality comment threads and sites that allow for reactions/debate/introduction of public discourse are my gold standard.

    Unz is exceptional and much appreciated.

    Just because it’s unlikely that I might post here often…

    I would like to suggest Dr. Judith Curry’s blog to anyone like me who enjoys going deeper into subjects than most ‘normal’ people would ever find time for.

    It’s a climate blog. It’s brilliant. Curry is a genuinely exceptional human and scientist. The comment threads are pure mind candy..

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  66. Comanche says:
    @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that "one inch" narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that "NATO's expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation." According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection "German Unification" at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm "verbal promises" as a major basis for one's argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue -- surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting -- was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

    are u ok ? Russia occupying her province of Kaliningrad ?

    maybe your country is occupying illegally California , Arizona , Nevada , Colorado , Utah , New Mexico , Oklahoma and Texas ?

    get your nato out of Europe , Europe is fed un with your 80.000 yankee occupation troops .

    even baltics are missing russians , baltics` population is going down since they left CCCP , they are fed up with american warmongers , they do not want to be cannon fodder for the well paid excentric american militarists .

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  67. @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Unfortunately your explanation of what drives the hatred of Putin and Trump reeks of a civic nationalist world view.

    Voting in the US is driven by racial tribalism. The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965 nonwhites+American Blacks....Donald Trump’s voting bloc is majority Working Class Native Born White American. White Liberal Democrats would not be able to wage the coup against Trump and possibly-very likely-thermonuclear war against Christian Russia were it not for the existence of an exponentially growing post-1965 nonwhite majority Democratic Party Voting Bloc. As a consequence, it is not possible to understand the war against Christian Russia if the passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act is not included in the analysis.

    Without a doubt, the Democratic Party Greedy Cheating White Liberals want to murder Christian Russia and The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority.....

    Trump won 20% of the Black male electorate. If he can increase that percentage, then the Democratic coalition becomes black females, post-1965 immigrants, and white New Class managerial types.

    He might get blacks to side with him over immigration, which has cut out the support for lower-skilled wages across the board.

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    Trump also got about a third of the brown 'hispanic' vote.
    They too are realizing that more of them equals lower wages.

    Trump also got ca. 54% of the white female vote.

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  68. It is very funny for the french speaking the american word neocon , for neo conservative

    In french con means idiot , dumb , stupid , silly

    so, neocon neoidiot , hehehhehehehehhehe

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    In french con means idiot , dumb , stupid , silly

     

    Doesn't it ultimately mean "cunt"?

    That word is used all the time, the same way, in laddish England, but in the rest of the (white) Anglosphere, you will be pounced upon by feminists. And not in a good way.
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  69. El Dato says:
    @Michael Kenny
    English translation: at best Putin got nothing out of the summit and at worst, Trump’s grovelling painted both himself and Putin further into the corner into which they had both already painted themselves. The solution for Putin is obvious: abandon his alliance with the US against the EU, which, in any event, flies in the face of geographical reality, and return to his earlier alliance with the EU against the US. That would certainly suit the EU and would no doubt also suit China. Putin’s problem is Ukraine. There can be no alliance with the EU until Putin’s abandons his pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence” and accepts the principle of non-interference with the sovereignty and territorially integrity of other European states laid down in the Helsinki Final Act. He has to abandon the Donetsk-Lugansk “sausage” and agree to some classic European fudge on Crimea. Such a deal has been on the table since day one but Putin has refused to take it up, no doubt believing that his American supporters will serve him up all he wants on a silver platter without his having to make any concessions in return for it. If Putin had any political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d resign, say, at the start of next year. A new president would be elected who would take up the deal on Ukraine and return to close relations with the EU. He could also join in the building of an independent European defence system, based, most likely, on the OSCE. Since Trump keeps denouncing NATO, he could hardly object! For the European members of the alliance, the only advantage of NATO is that the US contributes 22% of the budget. If the US is unwilling to continue to pay, and the European members have to increasing defence spending, then NATO becomes totally useless. Why Putin is failing to take advantage of Trump's innumerable blunders is an interesting question.

    abandon his alliance with the US against the EU, which, in any event, flies in the face of geographical reality, and return to his earlier alliance with the EU against the US.

    I hope your shizophrenia stops when you got to bed at night.

    The EU is incapable of being in an “alliance against the US”. I don’t know where that “earlier” adjective comes from.

    He has to abandon the Donetsk-Lugansk “sausage” and agree to some classic European fudge on Crimea.

    Send a letter of advice. Crimea has to do naught with Europe. And what are those European fudges you are talking about? I haven’t seen European fudges since maybe Louis XIV. It’s been hardcore war and döner removal for some time now with assorted bomb drops, reaching into Lybia as needed.

    He could also join in the building of an independent European defence system, based, most likely, on the OSCE

    The OSCE is like a mini-UN. No defence system can come out of that.

    Why Putin is failing to take advantage of Trump’s innumerable blunders is an interesting question.

    Far more interesting is why you don’t answer it, you seem to have Good Advice on all the rest. Spit it out.

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  70. El Dato says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " The decadent europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . . "
    The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.
    Do not remember if it was here that I read what Mark Twain said or wrote 'it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'.
    About WWI:
    Charles Callan Tansill, 'Amerika geht in den Krieg', Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War, 1938)
    FDR's preparations for WWII:
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    Charles A. Beard, ‘President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances and realities’, New Haven, 1948

    The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.

    That’s kinda over the top.

    Continental suicide was on the books for the Great Continental War (I don’t know how it comes it is called “World War”) as general desire of revanchism, political nastiness, prussian militarism, yougoslav apsirations, decaying empires and the British desire for a continental balance of power met head-on with war tool mechanization. The US came online rather late.

    As for “Word War II”, it was mainly about two socialist systems facing off, and Japan irking the US with a bout of late-onset colonialism. Also everyone going crazy with operations research and even more mechanization. So it should be called “Socialist War I with Colonialism on the side.”.

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    The USA came into WWI from the very beginning.
    Without buying USA food and weapons on credit GB and France could not have fought at all.
    Moreover, the USA was not neutral, the USA allowed the British blockade of Germany.
    As to continental suicide, there was no such thing.
    GB wanted war.

    WWII, how many times must be repeated what Lindbergh already said before Pearl Harbour, that 'jewry and GB wanted war'.
    FDR was brought into politics by Bernard Baruch, who already in 1928 prevented his friend Churchill from going into business, because 'he saw great things for Churchill in the future'.
    These great things came, Churchill waged an unnecessary war, and destroyed the empire.
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  71. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    3.The US armed forces are only good at three things: wasting immense sums of money, destroying countries and alienating the rest of the planet.
     
    Alienating the rest of the planet:


    https://youtu.be/GVXxZqyiKrY


    Wasting immense sums of money:


    The U.S. War Industry Raked in $5+ Billion Worth of Foreign Military Sales in June 2018


    July 27, 2018 / Christian Sorensen /

    "The U.S. war industry raked in $5,408,112,575 worth of foreign military sales (FMS) during June 2018. Notable items included $1.12 billion worth of Lockheed Martin F-16 aircraft for Bahrain and ..."

    Something out of a Kubrick Movie or out of Borat.

    Release the Nouveau Cheque!

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  72. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I can see certain similarities what western democracies did to Germany after WW1 and before WW2 in comparison what they did and doing to Russia after break up of Warsaw pact.
    But here is certain difference that should be noticed.
    Putin has hundred times better nerves than Hitler, and Russia has enough power in one day to destroy western Europe, and all north American continent.So the western democracies should be better a little bit more cautious.

    They should have destroyed Germany after WWI, or come to a just Peace. They did neither, slightly weakening it and strongly pissing it off.

    After the Soviets went out of business, the US neither welcomed it to the brotherhood of nations, nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat. Letting the looters loose upon it sure did piss a lot of people off though.

    Your point is well taken.

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    {the US neither.........., nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat.}

    How exactly was US going to, quote, 'destroy' Russia after the breakup of USSR?
    RF had the same number of nuke warheads (> than US) before and after the breakup.
    US could certainly destroy RF with nukes, but it would be mutual: US too would be destroyed.

    Knowing it can't destroy RF militarily US tried everything else: the Yeltsin years of massive looting of national wealth and dismantling of industry. Promotion and funding of terrorism on RF's territory. Encroaching NATO. Destruction or destabilization of Russia's allies,......

    US is still trying: oil price crash engineered with KSA; attacks on Russia's ruble; sanctions;....

    Nothing has worked.
    Russia has absorbed the shocks and in some cases become stronger due to sanctions.
    (e.g. its agriculture experienced a boom, making Russia more food secure and immune to food blackmail).

    {.... not be a threat.}

    US and NATO are a threat to Russia: RF is no threat to US.
    If by 'threat' you mean it will not meekly submit to US hegemony, then yeah she is a 'threat'.

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  73. El Dato says:
    @animalogic
    "The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it."
    Sorry Wally, it goes a bit beyond dead Jews ( not to say that it has played NO part - but there are a huge number of factors. The 6 mil' blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy).

    “The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it.”

    Who is the “we” and who is in your bunker with you? Agree with the “glue” though.

    > impossible ’6,000,000 Jews

    Because Jews are a hard kill.

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    "We" are guys like you.

    After all, you did say:

    "Agree with the “glue” though."

    you also said:
    "Because Jews are a hard kill."

    Killing Jews, or anyone for that matter, as alleged within the ridiculous 'holocau$t' narrative, would have been scientifically impossible.

    That clears that up.
    Cheers.

    www.codoh.com

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  74. El Dato says:
    @animalogic
    What "we" have is a corrupt US (global) elite. An elite, primed in the 80's & let entirely off the leash in '91.
    Benevolent despots ? A concept with only the vaguest comprehension.
    No - these US/ Globalist elites just KNEW history was on THEIR side. Take the brakes off, & spin the capitalist coin: heads - class war; tails imperialism. Win -win. (Can't remember his name - guy who runs Hathaway-something: "there is class war, & my class is winning". Damn few business men are as worshipped as this bloke) And yes, just look at the 90's, the Yeltsin years, the Clinton years ... looked like it was all working out.
    Well, contradictions will "out". And here we are.
    A ruling class descending into sociopathology.
    A public unable to fully comprehend the toxic brew bubbling just beneath the surface ( the 6 o'clock news, comfortable, day in day out, pay the damn bills, the kid's teeth need braces & the car a new exhaust).
    I won't mention climate change - few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?
    We are in diabolical trouble...but fuck it - instinctively we all know it's a Panglossian universe....& the devil take the hindmost.

    Well, contradictions will “out”. And here we are.

    I won’t mention climate change – few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?

    Yes actually, this is gonna compound on the rest of the pain train..

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  75. Wally says:
    @animalogic
    "The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it."
    Sorry Wally, it goes a bit beyond dead Jews ( not to say that it has played NO part - but there are a huge number of factors. The 6 mil' blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy).

    said:
    “Sorry Wally, it goes a bit beyond dead Jews ( not to say that it has played NO part – but there are a huge number of factors. The 6 mil’ blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy”

    I never said there were no other factors, no strawmen please, but the fake 6M, which Jews have been pushing since at least 1823, is the cattle prod supreme.

    said
    ” The 6 mil’ blah, blah, blah has facilitated the Zionist/Jewish poisoning of US policy & democracy”

    So then you agree.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  76. @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that "one inch" narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that "NATO's expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation." According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection "German Unification" at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm "verbal promises" as a major basis for one's argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue -- surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting -- was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

    Do you have a link on the Russian occupation of Kaliningrad being illegal? I’ve never read this.

    Who is supposed to moved into it? The Ostpreussen are long gone. Maybe it was supposed to be for the former Volga Germans?

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  77. @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that "one inch" narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that "NATO's expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation." According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection "German Unification" at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm "verbal promises" as a major basis for one's argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue -- surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting -- was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

    You logorrheic schmuck , do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the Soviet Union in 1990 ?

    1990 : Estonia 1,600.000 2017 : Estonia 1,200.00

    1990 : Letonia 2,700.000 2017 : Letonia 1,900.000

    1990 : Lituania 3,700.000 2017 : Lituania 2,800.000

    Looks like they are being exterminated by the new NATO/EU regime , don`t you think so ?

    It is a new version of the plan Ost ?

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    "...do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the Soviet Union in 1990 ?"

    Yes, the decreases in population can easily be explained primarily by Russians, who used to live there, having moved back to Russia. Additionally, there might have been small population flows of Lithuanias to Poland, Latvians to Sweden, and Estonians to Finland, given the close relationships. Nothing nefarious.
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  78. Two reactions.

    First reaction. All I can think of whenever I read another allegation of Russia influence, control of Trump or anyone else, or of Putin coming to Washington is Israel. Over and over: these people simply keep ignoring the elephant in the room. I don’t care about the Pekinese: there’s an elephant right there! Look at it! Yes, a Russian businessman once gave a Trump advisor (since dismissed) fifty thousand dollars. Israel partisans were the leading contributors to both candidates; Sheldon Adelson alone gave Donald Trump thirty five million dollars. Shall we talk about what we’re doing as a consequence; how we’re remorselessly driving Iran to the point where there will be no choice but war — and at whose behest we’re doing this?

    No…let’s fret and fantasize about ‘Russian influence.’ Never mind that the body bags won’t be coming back from Latvia, but from Iran.

    Second reaction: this one’s more optimistic. Yes, the attacks are increasingly hysterical; but they’re also coming from an increasingly narrow base. More and more, people on both the right and the left just don’t buy them anymore: see, for example, the denunciation of all this nonsense at the impeccably ‘progressive’ Mondoweiss.

    I perceive the remaining anti-Trump partisans as still possessing a grip on the traditional media outlets. However, more and more, they simply speak for no one but themselves. In fact, this may account for the note of hysterical exaggeration; underneath it all is the sneaking suspicion that no one believes them, or is even listening. After all, look at Trump’s poll numbers. The media keeps announcing that ‘now he’s blown it’ — and his numbers keep inching up. I like tracking a rolling average of the last ten polls. When I started the figure was around 38. Now it’s moving past 43. Neither ‘babygate’ nor ‘Russiagate’ perceptibly affected this at all.

    So to sum up, ‘Russiagate’ isn’t the problem, and it’s questionable if many actual Americans even think it is. This remains true whatever the ravings coming out of The Washington Post, or The New Yorker, or USA Today. All the evidence is that these organs speak for fewer and fewer people, and fewer and fewer are even listening.

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  79. Basically, I think most Americans don’t even care about all this nonsense.

    They know that if Trump is awful, the alternatives were even worse, and they know that the economy’s doing well. No one’s saying ‘if only Hillary coulda won…’

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  80. @El Dato

    The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.
     
    That's kinda over the top.

    Continental suicide was on the books for the Great Continental War (I don't know how it comes it is called "World War") as general desire of revanchism, political nastiness, prussian militarism, yougoslav apsirations, decaying empires and the British desire for a continental balance of power met head-on with war tool mechanization. The US came online rather late.

    As for "Word War II", it was mainly about two socialist systems facing off, and Japan irking the US with a bout of late-onset colonialism. Also everyone going crazy with operations research and even more mechanization. So it should be called "Socialist War I with Colonialism on the side.".

    The USA came into WWI from the very beginning.
    Without buying USA food and weapons on credit GB and France could not have fought at all.
    Moreover, the USA was not neutral, the USA allowed the British blockade of Germany.
    As to continental suicide, there was no such thing.
    GB wanted war.

    WWII, how many times must be repeated what Lindbergh already said before Pearl Harbour, that ‘jewry and GB wanted war’.
    FDR was brought into politics by Bernard Baruch, who already in 1928 prevented his friend Churchill from going into business, because ‘he saw great things for Churchill in the future’.
    These great things came, Churchill waged an unnecessary war, and destroyed the empire.

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  81. Wally says:
    @El Dato

    “The glue that has held their violent & destructive agenda together is the fake & impossible ’6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers’. We all know it.”
     
    Who is the "we" and who is in your bunker with you? Agree with the "glue" though.

    > impossible ’6,000,000 Jews

    Because Jews are a hard kill.

    “We” are guys like you.

    After all, you did say:

    “Agree with the “glue” though.”

    you also said:
    “Because Jews are a hard kill.”

    Killing Jews, or anyone for that matter, as alleged within the ridiculous ‘holocau$t’ narrative, would have been scientifically impossible.

    That clears that up.
    Cheers.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  82. @Quartermaster

    Because the Russians have concluded a long time ago that the US officials are “non-agreement capable” (недоговороспособны).
     
    The US has known this about Russia and its Soviet forebears for a very long time. Yeltsin was willing to keep the Budapest Memorandum, but Putin has abrogated it against someone that did him, and his country, no harm.

    Putin is a danger to his country. Russia is simply eating its seed corn.

    This is the best the CIA can do?

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  83. @Michael Kenny
    English translation: at best Putin got nothing out of the summit and at worst, Trump’s grovelling painted both himself and Putin further into the corner into which they had both already painted themselves. The solution for Putin is obvious: abandon his alliance with the US against the EU, which, in any event, flies in the face of geographical reality, and return to his earlier alliance with the EU against the US. That would certainly suit the EU and would no doubt also suit China. Putin’s problem is Ukraine. There can be no alliance with the EU until Putin’s abandons his pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence” and accepts the principle of non-interference with the sovereignty and territorially integrity of other European states laid down in the Helsinki Final Act. He has to abandon the Donetsk-Lugansk “sausage” and agree to some classic European fudge on Crimea. Such a deal has been on the table since day one but Putin has refused to take it up, no doubt believing that his American supporters will serve him up all he wants on a silver platter without his having to make any concessions in return for it. If Putin had any political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d resign, say, at the start of next year. A new president would be elected who would take up the deal on Ukraine and return to close relations with the EU. He could also join in the building of an independent European defence system, based, most likely, on the OSCE. Since Trump keeps denouncing NATO, he could hardly object! For the European members of the alliance, the only advantage of NATO is that the US contributes 22% of the budget. If the US is unwilling to continue to pay, and the European members have to increasing defence spending, then NATO becomes totally useless. Why Putin is failing to take advantage of Trump's innumerable blunders is an interesting question.

    If Putin got nothing, why the continuing CNN hysteria ?
    Why does Brussels fear that the E European states will turn around to Russia ?
    As to Trump’s blunders, one only can know if he blunders or blundered if one knows what his objectives are.
    Until now my idea is that he does what he promised, America First, that is, USA citizens first.

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  84. @peterAUS
    Well, Saker did put, this time, some good points here.
    Of course, they were well mixed with the usual Kremlin propaganda, but that's now like "good morning" with his writing. Probably all public members of "Team Russia" have that clause in their contract.
    The usual spin "Russia is great, winning, and all is not only good but simply getting better for Kremlin and the Great Leader".

    He does point to this "thing" with MSM and public figures in West re the summit.
    I agree, it's surreal. If I were watching this in a serious movie I'd change the channel/walk out. If I were reading a serious book with the "thing" as a part of the plot I'd stop reading.

    I think there IS something there.

    It is not just "unanimity of hatred and chaos", "abject hysterics", "hate-filled hysteria", "two minutes of hatred stretched well into a two weeks of hatred" etc. It's something else and, I feel, simply much worse and dangerous.

    I guess we have entered a zone beyond geopolitics into mass psychology. Not my area of expertise at all, but simply feel there is something there.

    It feels as watching, hard to express it, hysterical people?

    Now, on my level, whenever I dealt with such people I simply walked away, most of the time. A couple of times, when I couldn't walk away I simply floored them (or so I say). Both men and women (talking about being a gentleman , a). With women, it's even easier, just one strike, weak hand even. With men a full combination, even with a takedown and .....anyway.Joking. Sort of. Besides, I was younger then.

    But...how can you take out people who control, in essence, US power, nuclear weapons in particular? You simply can't..........

    That is what makes, IMHO, this so dangerous.

    I simply can't recollect anything similar in relationship between superpowers.

    I am not so optimistic re the collapse of The Empire, multipolar world etc.

    This "thing" can, I concede, deliver a couple of goods:
    People, at last, realizing who, or better what, are our "betters".
    The real power of The Empire diminishing because of the mess and chaos those...species.....created.
    Those two things creating an opportunity to, somehow, do something about this abomination.

    But, and a big but, there is the flip there.
    People simply not paying attention. And, those hysterics really getting the levers of power in their hands. While they are in that state, that is.

    As I've said several times here so far (doesn't matter a bit, of course) Trump supporters fucked up.
    Not him; he didn't expect to win and when he did he found himself in a really bad position.
    His supporters. As soon as he won they walked home. A mistake.
    A terrible mistake.

    I feel we'll all pay, dearly, for it.

    You are giving away too much.

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    You mean that, ahm, "violent" paragraph there I presume.
    How...uncivilized..... of me. Offended some sensitive souls here, I am sure.

    The same souls who fantasise about taking down US Deep State.

    Don't you worry about that.
    The only people who got ...ahm...uncomfortable...reading that paragraph are those who aren't important here. Actually they are the detriment.

    We need 100 000 men and women, on the streets of US major cities, who can floor a person in instant if that person starts doing histerics in their face.

    Think about that for a second.
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  85. @animalogic
    "Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation"
    You mean USSR occupation, of course.
    Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US removes it's illegal forces in Syria, stops supporting the crypto-
    -Nazi coup government in Ukraine, withdraws it's missiles from Poland etc (oh, we'll protect you from non existent Iranian nuclear weapons) & pulls back it's conventional forces, stops proving up invasions like the Georgian invasion of Sth Iapetus, stops interfering in what remains of the democratic processes of the former USSR states, stops supporting terrorists across the ME, stops interfering in the energy business of its allies in the EU, stops it's lies & threats against Russian allies such as Iran & stops iys criminal sanctions on Russia....Well, that scratches the surface, anyway....

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    Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US…[list of ten gripes]

    Perhaps Russian bureaucrats are discussing these disputes, but most of them are in different geographical “theaters” and need not necessarily be linked. Yet if there is any causality then you’ve got it completely mixed up because the occupation of the Königsberg region goes back to 1945 and thus even predates the illegal occupation of east and west Jerusalem, West Bank, Golan Heights, etc. I am definitely in favor of a grand resolution of numerous disputes.

    Propagandists like RT’s Peter Lavelle (the slick American guy with the bow-tie) keep perpetuating the false notion that the so-called Cold War ended long ago, in 1991, and Americans have just recently invigorated it, but the fact is that this Cold War never ended, and Russia has simply chosen to perpetuate it — and escalate it in the past year.

    While many may remain befuddled, the truth can easily be verified by independent research.

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  86. Wally says:
    @animalogic
    "Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation"
    You mean USSR occupation, of course.
    Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US removes it's illegal forces in Syria, stops supporting the crypto-
    -Nazi coup government in Ukraine, withdraws it's missiles from Poland etc (oh, we'll protect you from non existent Iranian nuclear weapons) & pulls back it's conventional forces, stops proving up invasions like the Georgian invasion of Sth Iapetus, stops interfering in what remains of the democratic processes of the former USSR states, stops supporting terrorists across the ME, stops interfering in the energy business of its allies in the EU, stops it's lies & threats against Russian allies such as Iran & stops iys criminal sanctions on Russia....Well, that scratches the surface, anyway....

    said:
    “-Nazi coup government in Ukraine”

    You mean ‘the Nazis’ that Israeli Jews are funding & arming? LOL

    Jews are therefore admitting the fakeness of the ’6M’.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  87. @anonymous
    Trump's accomplishments:

    (1) continuing indefinitely the war in Afghanistan
    (2) bombing Syria twice for reasons which he knew or should have known were false.
    (3) putting a military base in Syria as an invader https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/u-s-forces-set-up-new-base-in-syria-s-manbij-despite-turkish-threats-1.6073192 something no President dared do in the past.
    (4) appointing neo-con war mongers in all key cabinet positions
    (5) telling police (on video for all the world to hear) to confiscate guns and "worry about due process later" (13 states have followed this advice) This statement tramples upon not only the second amendment, but the fifth and fourteenth as well
    (6) saying absolutely nothing about Google, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, censuring all right wing groups, showing that he doesn't give a hoot about anyone's lst amendment rights, including his supporters.
    (7) recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (at a cost of thousands injured and dead Palestinians during Israel's celebration)
    (8) sanctioning Russia at least three times since he has been in office; with sanctions more severe than those imposed by Obama.
    (9) having the US military evacuate ISIS commandos in Syria
    (10) breaching the agreement with Iran at a time when the only party with continuing contract obligations was Iran who was abiding by the contract (he certainly was not going to get back the Obama money,w hich is the only thing he complained about during his campaign)
    (11) fully funding planned parenthood (now trying to undo this Congressional action with an Executive Order which compounds the problem in his attempt to usurp the powers of Congress, violating Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution)
    (12) not building the wall
    (13) lying about his gross immorality (keep in mind that if the Senate impeached Clinton for committing fellatio in the Oval Office with a foolish young girl in her early twenties, Trump would never have dared to run for office with his background)
    (14) lying about the economy (saying there was 4 percent unemployment when all the big retailers employing hundreds of thousands went out of business on the heels of his statement)
    (15) proposing to reward millions of immigrants who have broken our laws

    Yet, his supporters are still on the street with those silly hats reciting their mantra that he is making America great again.

    What he is doing in fact is continuing unjustified wars (military Keynesian economics that will destroy the US) while simultaneously and quietly taking away our constitutional rights. Those are his biggest "accomplishments"

    Reading your list I must say Trump does even better than I thought he had.
    You have been fooled completely by Trump.
    What Trump is accomplishing you can watch day for day at CNN, complete hysteria about Trump, they there, I must admit, do see his accomplishments.
    At no time in history did the leader of an empire understand that the empire could no longer afford imperialism, and acted accordingly.
    If I’m right, Trump does.

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  88. Wally says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Trump won 20% of the Black male electorate. If he can increase that percentage, then the Democratic coalition becomes black females, post-1965 immigrants, and white New Class managerial types.

    He might get blacks to side with him over immigration, which has cut out the support for lower-skilled wages across the board.

    Trump also got about a third of the brown ‘hispanic’ vote.
    They too are realizing that more of them equals lower wages.

    Trump also got ca. 54% of the white female vote.

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  89. chris says:
    @Anon

    3.The US armed forces are only good at three things: wasting immense sums of money, destroying countries and alienating the rest of the planet.
     
    Alienating the rest of the planet:


    https://youtu.be/GVXxZqyiKrY


    Wasting immense sums of money:


    The U.S. War Industry Raked in $5+ Billion Worth of Foreign Military Sales in June 2018


    July 27, 2018 / Christian Sorensen /

    "The U.S. war industry raked in $5,408,112,575 worth of foreign military sales (FMS) during June 2018. Notable items included $1.12 billion worth of Lockheed Martin F-16 aircraft for Bahrain and ..."

    maybe they’re singing: “We Arm the World”

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  90. @karakulaitis
    You logorrheic schmuck , do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the Soviet Union in 1990 ?

    1990 : Estonia 1,600.000 2017 : Estonia 1,200.00

    1990 : Letonia 2,700.000 2017 : Letonia 1,900.000

    1990 : Lituania 3,700.000 2017 : Lituania 2,800.000


    Looks like they are being exterminated by the new NATO/EU regime , don`t you think so ?

    It is a new version of the plan Ost ?

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    “…do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the Soviet Union in 1990 ?”

    Yes, the decreases in population can easily be explained primarily by Russians, who used to live there, having moved back to Russia. Additionally, there might have been small population flows of Lithuanias to Poland, Latvians to Sweden, and Estonians to Finland, given the close relationships. Nothing nefarious.

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    No no , not many russians have returned to Russia from the baltic countries . The youth of these countries has emigrated massively to Germany and others countries of the area , you can see in the demographic figures that it is not " small flows " but massive depopulation . Very nefarious , the baltics don`t have a future other than cannon fodder in case of war .
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  91. The fag hag, doddering old fool, Nancy P. is still getting elected? Send her to Crimea at the head of an army and let’s see what the Joan of Baltimore can achieve… it would be a cinch!

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  92. Herald says:
    @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that "one inch" narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that "NATO's expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation." According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection "German Unification" at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm "verbal promises" as a major basis for one's argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue -- surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting -- was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

    Despite your assertions, Kalingrad is legally part of Russia and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future. Only someone with a vested interest in its status would be banging on about it.

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  93. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @HO-LY COWW
    Here is the specific threat to CIA impunity behind the US propaganda hysterics. Russia is turning over the rocks where CIA hides its moles in the US government. Russia knows what the perps are up to, so US state secrets don't protect them as they do at home.

    The CIA focal points that Fletcher Prouty told us about decades ago, they're still infesting the government, dug in deeper than ever. Russia proposes to question them. It's the American public's first look at the secret dotted-line reports CIA uses to control the US government.

    From Meduza: "The list of names also includes Homeland Security Department official Todd Hyman (who testified in a deposition against Prevezon, a Russian company accused of laundering proceeds from the fraud uncovered by Sergey Magnitsky), Svetlana Engert (who supposedly stole criminal case materials from Russia), Alexander Shvartsman (who supposedly oversaw Browder's stay in the U.S.), Jim Rote (a supposed CIA agent acting as Browder's “financial manager”), Robert Otto (who supposedly served as deputy director of a U.S. intelligence agency until January 2017), David Kramer (who recently served as an adviser to the U.S. State Department), Jonathan Wiener (a long-time aide to John Kerry and an adviser on national security), and Kyle Parker (a recent U.S. State Department official), according to Kurennoi."

    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/621432

    The US agents Russia singled out for questioning: Browder, Steele, McFaul (CIA war propaganda against Russia,) Jonathan Wiener (Lockerbie fabricator and DoS focal point,) David J. Kramer (ran Russian agents from DoS DRL and CIA's Freedom House), Kyle Parker (CIA mole on Senate staff) Todd Hyman, Schvartsman (CIA's DHS moles.) and Jim Rote, a garden-variety CIA spook rather than an agent, and CIA's transnational organized crime boss Robert Otto.

    Russia is showing us how CIA infiltrates and controls the entire US government.

    interesting that Russia has been called to defend itself in England. There its Novichok the instant death substance arguably produced in London by USA controlled labs or taken from the old USSR when it fell apart.
    Putin vs British government case: Putin charged with poisoning an ex Russian spy and his daughter, unfortunately for the media and the British corporate Zionist both Russians survived,
    Russia has called the British liars to the carpet.. Russia demands an investigation but the Banksters and their corporations refuse to allow the British Government to open its “so-called” investigation to Russian questioning.

    Keep your eyes focused on Nord II. the one road one belt, Turkey moving in support of Syria and Yemen against Saudi Arabia, BRICS and concern yourself with the fact that Russia not only does not own any USA debt, but Russia also has a non federal reserve approved monetary exchange operation, SCO is growing in strength, China Gold backed bonds are available for anyone to buy and convert the face value of the bond to gold. These are game changers.

    Stay tuned for more privately owned advertising supported corporate media productions showing on “FREE THEATER”. M 16, (criminal instigating Association) CIA and Mossad employees are busy writing new propaganda, budget is not a problem, the Russian’s will be made to pay for the articles, movies etc. so everything is free. Enjoy!

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    Yes indeed, first Britain, and now Russia has pantsed the US too. In a virtuosic dick move, they exposed a CIA spook who's implicated not only in Secret Agent Browder's war propaganda ( http://russiahouse.org/current_news.php?language=eng&id_current=1454 ) but in CIA crimes against humanity - specifically, 'legal pretexts for manifestly illegal acts."

    David Kramer, Tufts/Harvard Political Science/Russian studies, **PNAC**, DoS focal point, then CIA's famous captive NGO **Freedom House**, and a featherbed job at the McCain Institute for Freedom, Democracy, and Abandoning Thousands of MIAs in Vietnam to Die Slow Agonizing Deaths in Penal Camps.

    Here he is talking to his co-conspirator Robert Otto, "Only idiots like Kerry think we have common interests in Syria."

    https://freeworld556.wordpress.com/2017/07/12/us-state-department-official-robert-otto-got-hacked/

    Needless to say, Kramer wouldn't know a human right from a bar of soap. He's a knuckledragger. CIA sent Kramer to DRL when Alfreda Bikowsky got her tit caught in the crimes-against-humanity wringer for systematic and widespread torture. The US was five years late reporting to the Committee Against Torture and got a mind-boggling eight (8) follow-on inquiries for urgent derogations of non-derogable rights. So Kramer had to think fast and make up some bullshit why simulated live burial, object rape, death by dryboard suffocation, and penis-slitting is not torture. Kramer is not the brightest bulb, but that's not a hard job. During the Bush administration all the delegation did was say, "The US does not Torture," robotically over and over.

    So Kramer is a good example of how CIA runs the State Department. When a CIA vital interest like impunity comes up, they parachute a mole in to get their criminals off the hook.
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  94. @anon
    interesting that Russia has been called to defend itself in England. There its Novichok the instant death substance arguably produced in London by USA controlled labs or taken from the old USSR when it fell apart.
    Putin vs British government case: Putin charged with poisoning an ex Russian spy and his daughter, unfortunately for the media and the British corporate Zionist both Russians survived,
    Russia has called the British liars to the carpet.. Russia demands an investigation but the Banksters and their corporations refuse to allow the British Government to open its "so-called" investigation to Russian questioning.

    Keep your eyes focused on Nord II. the one road one belt, Turkey moving in support of Syria and Yemen against Saudi Arabia, BRICS and concern yourself with the fact that Russia not only does not own any USA debt, but Russia also has a non federal reserve approved monetary exchange operation, SCO is growing in strength, China Gold backed bonds are available for anyone to buy and convert the face value of the bond to gold. These are game changers.

    Stay tuned for more privately owned advertising supported corporate media productions showing on "FREE THEATER". M 16, (criminal instigating Association) CIA and Mossad employees are busy writing new propaganda, budget is not a problem, the Russian's will be made to pay for the articles, movies etc. so everything is free. Enjoy!

    Yes indeed, first Britain, and now Russia has pantsed the US too. In a virtuosic dick move, they exposed a CIA spook who’s implicated not only in Secret Agent Browder’s war propaganda ( http://russiahouse.org/current_news.php?language=eng&id_current=1454 ) but in CIA crimes against humanity – specifically, ‘legal pretexts for manifestly illegal acts.”

    David Kramer, Tufts/Harvard Political Science/Russian studies, **PNAC**, DoS focal point, then CIA’s famous captive NGO **Freedom House**, and a featherbed job at the McCain Institute for Freedom, Democracy, and Abandoning Thousands of MIAs in Vietnam to Die Slow Agonizing Deaths in Penal Camps.

    Here he is talking to his co-conspirator Robert Otto, “Only idiots like Kerry think we have common interests in Syria.”

    https://freeworld556.wordpress.com/2017/07/12/us-state-department-official-robert-otto-got-hacked/

    Needless to say, Kramer wouldn’t know a human right from a bar of soap. He’s a knuckledragger. CIA sent Kramer to DRL when Alfreda Bikowsky got her tit caught in the crimes-against-humanity wringer for systematic and widespread torture. The US was five years late reporting to the Committee Against Torture and got a mind-boggling eight (8) follow-on inquiries for urgent derogations of non-derogable rights. So Kramer had to think fast and make up some bullshit why simulated live burial, object rape, death by dryboard suffocation, and penis-slitting is not torture. Kramer is not the brightest bulb, but that’s not a hard job. During the Bush administration all the delegation did was say, “The US does not Torture,” robotically over and over.

    So Kramer is a good example of how CIA runs the State Department. When a CIA vital interest like impunity comes up, they parachute a mole in to get their criminals off the hook.

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  95. peterAUS says:
    @animalogic
    What "we" have is a corrupt US (global) elite. An elite, primed in the 80's & let entirely off the leash in '91.
    Benevolent despots ? A concept with only the vaguest comprehension.
    No - these US/ Globalist elites just KNEW history was on THEIR side. Take the brakes off, & spin the capitalist coin: heads - class war; tails imperialism. Win -win. (Can't remember his name - guy who runs Hathaway-something: "there is class war, & my class is winning". Damn few business men are as worshipped as this bloke) And yes, just look at the 90's, the Yeltsin years, the Clinton years ... looked like it was all working out.
    Well, contradictions will "out". And here we are.
    A ruling class descending into sociopathology.
    A public unable to fully comprehend the toxic brew bubbling just beneath the surface ( the 6 o'clock news, comfortable, day in day out, pay the damn bills, the kid's teeth need braces & the car a new exhaust).
    I won't mention climate change - few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?
    We are in diabolical trouble...but fuck it - instinctively we all know it's a Panglossian universe....& the devil take the hindmost.

    ….A public unable to fully comprehend….

    Really?

    Why?

    What’s to hard to fully comprehend?
    This ain’t quantum physics.

    Not enough time in busy lives to spend some effort on the topic?
    Yeah…….But enough time for shopping, social media, online entertainment and such.
    Etc.

    No.

    Yes, the elites are corrupted.
    But, the masses are corrupted too.
    THAT is the problem here.

    Or, Trump support base is corrupted too. Not as bad/evil/malicious. As weak.
    W……..e………a………k.

    And weak always get ruled by strong.

    What did/do they think? That the same people who can slaughter hundreds of thousands Iraqis without missing their lunch are just going to give up their power like that? That the half an hour of voting “effort” will change that game of power?

    What are they doing now?

    How can one expect to challenge that power by sitting at home and waiting for one man to go against all that?
    Bullshit.

    I’ve been told that “Trump base” doesn’t do mass demonstrations.
    I still don’t get why not?
    What’s so hard to do, WHENEVER Dems/progs pull their numbers on the street, the “Trump base” does the same? That’s reactive. Go active.
    Whenever Trump pulls some of his moves which flips the Dems/progs his support base floods the streets From the little town in Midwest to New York.

    What’s so hard about that? The same people have no problem going out….watching games…being outdoors..whatever.
    Oh, yes, it could get…what….dangerous? Really?
    What? Fistfights? Shooting? What happened to that “brave” in the “land of….”?

    Don’t get this post wrong. Not directed at you. It’s directed at lazy and weak people who are out of their depth.
    Wouldn’t be a problem save what’s going to happen when Dems/progs get their person in White House.

    Then, all of us, will have fun times I am sure.

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  96. expat47 says:

    I am a British WW11 veteran. Served with the 14th Army in Burma. When I came to the U.S. I was stunned at the hatred of Russia by most Americans I met. This was 1947, a time when, as Churchill, no fan of the Soviets, exclaimed, “The Russians tore the guts out of the German Army.” When he heard of the American Atom bomb, he said “Drop it on Moscow.” The virulence in the U.S. re Soviets was ridiculous. The Cincinnatti Reds baseball team started calling themselves “Redlegs.” You can’t make this stuff up. Stalin had several times attempted dialogue with the west but was never able to. Krushchev finally made it on PBS and the smug Jew interviewing him claimed he was “howling at the moon.” Is that the way one should refer to a representative of the leader of a huge, powerful nation? If I sound like a communist, believe me I am not. The current hysteria could create a nuclear war, and who in God’s Holy name wants that? Ask the U.S. destroyer Cook, who, when overflown by a Russian fighter, had its entire electronic system destroyed. The Russians claim they are capable of destroying U.S. Aircraft Carriers with a missile for which there is no known way to stop it. Maybe they are saying and cannot do it but who is going to test them on it? They are light years ahead of us in rocketry……………Lockheed Martin bought ten of their rocket engines and stated that the Russians were at least 10 to twenty years a head of the U.S.

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    Very interesting story, Expat, however, in dramatic contrast to the Russian government of today, Stalin's Soviet government had the blood of millions on its hands.

    Not to say that this would have been common knowledge in the US at the time.
    , @vail
    expat47, Thank you for beefing up our institutional memory. Do you recall any particular impressions of the following:

    (1) How the UN was regarded while its charter was being drafted; and
    (2) Public opinion on UN diplomacy '45-50.

    Russia got fed up during that half-decade too, less effectively.
    , @antirussian hate campaign
    Good point veteran !! , so the americans created artificially a " black legend " against the russians , created artificially hate thinking and hate speech towards Russia , in order to maintain an artificial cold war ?

    I am from an european city , which has a US Air Force base . In the late 70`s I lived in the USA , I was surprised that many americans asked me if in Europe we were affraid of a russian invasion , because they were affraid . They were surprised when I answered them that we were n0t affraid of russian invasions , that in fact Russia had been invaded by the germans ,the french , the poles , the swedes , the mongols .... And I tried to joke with americans telling them that we were in fact invaded by the USAF , but they did not have much sense of humor , they seemed quite dumb and fanatic .
    , @T
    You make an interesting post, Expat47. I think what we're witnessing with the hysteria is part of a faux, manipulated, and controlled Hegelian Dialectic (ie problem, reaction, solution) that's been at work since the American and French Revolutions of 1776 and 1789 respectively. The first revolution, the American, with its Capitalism and its associated artificial hyper-individualism, and the second revolution, the French, with its 'Red' Republicanism and in time its Marxism and an associated artificial hyper-collectivism, have been pitted against each other for over two hundred years. Capitalism and Marxism are both anti-life systems as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism.

    I think part of the thinking/rationalization behind those pushing this faux dialectic is something like this: we have this Capitalism and its artificial individualism, which we control, and it has its problems, however, we also have this thing called Marxism, and its artificial collectivism, which we also control. In their struggles against each other they will, in theory, fix their errors and smooth away their differences. Each of these ultimately complementary revolutionary systems have been pushed to fight it out ideologically across the globe, even physically at times, the latter aspect of this manifesting in the Korean and Vietnam wars. Both of these Capitalist and Red systems, as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism, are detrimental to the peoples of the world and to mankind as a whole. Neither 'side' ultimately is expected, nor allowed, to win though, and just as that Ford Foundation representative told US fedgov investigators back in the 1950's, 'convergance' (ie synthesis) between US Capitalism and Soviet Communism is the aim. This apparently after a presumed 'reset' (ie a global thermo-nucleur/biological war) that results in the removal of five to six billion souls leaving the magical 500 million survivors left to repopulate the earth, each being a New Multi-Cultural Man/Woman living under what in theory is to be a perfect global democratic republic, ie the United States of the World, the New Rome.

    But, while they think they're perfect, no one is, and you can't run both sides of this thing and retain any integrity...in the case of the US witness the 'me too' situation of late, let alone the catastrophic debt load of the government, both being reflective of a small part of the utter corruption present within the US establishment.

    Specifically as to who 'we' is that's been running both sides of this faux and manipulated Hegelian Dialectic these past several hundred years I'd tend to think its powerful elements of the elites of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples and their respective hangers on in addition to other players to varying degrees, London being historically a major center of this activity.

    What to do for now about this planned future global empire? People have their refusal.

    Getting back to Russia, the meme of the US and Russia being enemies has been in the US public's mind since at least 1853. That was the year that the geo-political book The New Rome was published which outlines how in the future the US and UK will reunite and after first co-jointly conquering the center of power upon continental Europe, Germany, the US will then proceed by way of it's air power and its domination of the same to defeat Russia, then to declare 'the empire of the world', the 'New Rome'.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that in Russia there are similar old books which say largely the same thing but has it being Russia rather than the US setting up a future global state/empire after a world war, perhaps being republished with a foreward commentary by Alexander Dugin. Same with Islam.

    The peoples of the world are being 'played' against each other in this so as to destroy each other. The forces pushing this faux dialectic these past centuries of 'left'/'right', Capitalist/Marxist, feed on the negativity and hatred generated growing ever stronger as they go. Don't play along, refuse. Choose life!

    Excerpts from The New Rome:

    American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’...

    pg 109

    'Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.’

    pg.155-156

    'It [air power] will give us the victory over Russian continentalism. American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’...


    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/revolution_and_counter_revolution
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  97. peterAUS says:
    @ploni almoni
    You are giving away too much.

    You mean that, ahm, “violent” paragraph there I presume.
    How…uncivilized….. of me. Offended some sensitive souls here, I am sure.

    The same souls who fantasise about taking down US Deep State.

    Don’t you worry about that.
    The only people who got …ahm…uncomfortable…reading that paragraph are those who aren’t important here. Actually they are the detriment.

    We need 100 000 men and women, on the streets of US major cities, who can floor a person in instant if that person starts doing histerics in their face.

    Think about that for a second.

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  99. Cyrano says:

    The Trump-Putin summit went really horroshow. Trump tried to make Putin his droog, which terrified the deep state.

    They demanded that Trump calls Putin a prestoopnik, which Trump refused to do. The degenerates within the deep state think that they can tolchock Russia, while overlooking the fact that Russia can do a pretty bad tolchock on them too – like they’ve never seen before.

    Starry ptitsa Pelosi proves that you can be both climacteric and in heat – especially when talking about the Russians. Amazing physiological feat if you ask me.

    I think that the Clockwork Orange is probably the sanest of them all, at least he refrains from contemplating using ultraviolence as means to solve anything with Russia.

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  100. EagleEye says:
    @mcohen
    D.Trump only has one single task.just one.that is along with V.putin to finally arrange a negotiated settlement between the Israeli's and Palestinians.i pray that both sides accept the inevitable and move forward.peace in august or war in october.

    Bullshit …..if not for Putin Russia is lost. I hope that they make it …….with all that they know they still do not completely understand how demented the US is……..and how lost they are to “chosen” people. They are chosen all right , chosen to fuck anyone that they get in their sights. And the plebs just seem to let it happen ……amazing.

    What planet does this mcohen live on ??? Get a life ……another idiot.

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  101. chris says:
    @expat47
    I am a British WW11 veteran. Served with the 14th Army in Burma. When I came to the U.S. I was stunned at the hatred of Russia by most Americans I met. This was 1947, a time when, as Churchill, no fan of the Soviets, exclaimed, "The Russians tore the guts out of the German Army." When he heard of the American Atom bomb, he said "Drop it on Moscow." The virulence in the U.S. re Soviets was ridiculous. The Cincinnatti Reds baseball team started calling themselves "Redlegs." You can't make this stuff up. Stalin had several times attempted dialogue with the west but was never able to. Krushchev finally made it on PBS and the smug Jew interviewing him claimed he was "howling at the moon." Is that the way one should refer to a representative of the leader of a huge, powerful nation? If I sound like a communist, believe me I am not. The current hysteria could create a nuclear war, and who in God's Holy name wants that? Ask the U.S. destroyer Cook, who, when overflown by a Russian fighter, had its entire electronic system destroyed. The Russians claim they are capable of destroying U.S. Aircraft Carriers with a missile for which there is no known way to stop it. Maybe they are saying and cannot do it but who is going to test them on it? They are light years ahead of us in rocketry...............Lockheed Martin bought ten of their rocket engines and stated that the Russians were at least 10 to twenty years a head of the U.S.

    Very interesting story, Expat, however, in dramatic contrast to the Russian government of today, Stalin’s Soviet government had the blood of millions on its hands.

    Not to say that this would have been common knowledge in the US at the time.

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  102. vail says:
    @expat47
    I am a British WW11 veteran. Served with the 14th Army in Burma. When I came to the U.S. I was stunned at the hatred of Russia by most Americans I met. This was 1947, a time when, as Churchill, no fan of the Soviets, exclaimed, "The Russians tore the guts out of the German Army." When he heard of the American Atom bomb, he said "Drop it on Moscow." The virulence in the U.S. re Soviets was ridiculous. The Cincinnatti Reds baseball team started calling themselves "Redlegs." You can't make this stuff up. Stalin had several times attempted dialogue with the west but was never able to. Krushchev finally made it on PBS and the smug Jew interviewing him claimed he was "howling at the moon." Is that the way one should refer to a representative of the leader of a huge, powerful nation? If I sound like a communist, believe me I am not. The current hysteria could create a nuclear war, and who in God's Holy name wants that? Ask the U.S. destroyer Cook, who, when overflown by a Russian fighter, had its entire electronic system destroyed. The Russians claim they are capable of destroying U.S. Aircraft Carriers with a missile for which there is no known way to stop it. Maybe they are saying and cannot do it but who is going to test them on it? They are light years ahead of us in rocketry...............Lockheed Martin bought ten of their rocket engines and stated that the Russians were at least 10 to twenty years a head of the U.S.

    expat47, Thank you for beefing up our institutional memory. Do you recall any particular impressions of the following:

    (1) How the UN was regarded while its charter was being drafted; and
    (2) Public opinion on UN diplomacy ’45-50.

    Russia got fed up during that half-decade too, less effectively.

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  103. EagleEye says:
    @Kiza
    Every empire in history, after conquering its future colonies, ruled those colonies with a good degree of acceptance by the colonised population. Now the US claims that it is a global empire, the biggest one in history, but I know of no country which likes to be even man-handled let alone managed by US. Therefore, I fail to understand where this claim to empire comes from. Yes, the behaviour appears empirial (for example requesting delivery of some “12 Russians” that some third-rate US horse-face pretend-policeman identified as perpetrators of a crime which never happened), but every Napoleon in my local asylum for the insane behaves empirially.

    As to Pellosi and the gang who suck the dicks of Netanyahoo and MbS, the real mass murderers, like little bunny rabbits suck bottles of milk, their words on Putin are words of frustration due to the fact that Putin will never offer his member to be similarly sucked.

    Let me summise it simply: what an amazing fuck up US is under its Jewish ownership.

    right on brother …..

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  104. chris says:
    @jilles dykstra
    I still think the best explanation of Merkel's immigration policy is her belief that indeed the Germans are guilty of two world wars and the holocaust.
    Therefore 'ein neuer Mensch', a new German, must be created through mass immigration, as a German commentator explains.
    His book should be ready by now.
    His prediction is that just the E European countries, Hungary, Poland, etc., will remain European.
    Writing this, one may expect that they will turn politically to Russia, also a catholic white country.

    I still think the best explanation of Merkel’s immigration policy is her belief that indeed the Germans are guilty of two world wars and the holocaust.

    There’s definitely an element of this at work here, however I believe that her actions have very little to to do with commensuration for the refugees. I think that the Empire came to her and said, ‘look here, we do the fighting, the Saudis pay the money, your job is to pick up the refugees.’ In tern of course, Obama on one of his last days in office paid her back by having a private dinner with her, tete-a-tete.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3947542/Dinner-two-Barack-Obama-Angela-Merkel-share-intimate-meal-chance-reminisce-President-s-farewell-tour-reaches-Germany.html

    That was her payment, that and the fact that they arranged that her opponent in that election would be some dope who could not have won. (Of course he probably talked about how he was going to get rid of Trump as well.)

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  105. EagleEye says:
    @Michael Kenny
    English translation: at best Putin got nothing out of the summit and at worst, Trump’s grovelling painted both himself and Putin further into the corner into which they had both already painted themselves. The solution for Putin is obvious: abandon his alliance with the US against the EU, which, in any event, flies in the face of geographical reality, and return to his earlier alliance with the EU against the US. That would certainly suit the EU and would no doubt also suit China. Putin’s problem is Ukraine. There can be no alliance with the EU until Putin’s abandons his pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence” and accepts the principle of non-interference with the sovereignty and territorially integrity of other European states laid down in the Helsinki Final Act. He has to abandon the Donetsk-Lugansk “sausage” and agree to some classic European fudge on Crimea. Such a deal has been on the table since day one but Putin has refused to take it up, no doubt believing that his American supporters will serve him up all he wants on a silver platter without his having to make any concessions in return for it. If Putin had any political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d resign, say, at the start of next year. A new president would be elected who would take up the deal on Ukraine and return to close relations with the EU. He could also join in the building of an independent European defence system, based, most likely, on the OSCE. Since Trump keeps denouncing NATO, he could hardly object! For the European members of the alliance, the only advantage of NATO is that the US contributes 22% of the budget. If the US is unwilling to continue to pay, and the European members have to increasing defence spending, then NATO becomes totally useless. Why Putin is failing to take advantage of Trump's innumerable blunders is an interesting question.

    bla,bla,bla,bla…fucking bla. A denial spin doctor …..America is full of ‘em. Just cannot get a hold of reality.
    If you think that your spin is doing you some good ……have another look. It ain’t. The shit hole you dig with your spin is getting deeper and deeper

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  106. @expat47
    I am a British WW11 veteran. Served with the 14th Army in Burma. When I came to the U.S. I was stunned at the hatred of Russia by most Americans I met. This was 1947, a time when, as Churchill, no fan of the Soviets, exclaimed, "The Russians tore the guts out of the German Army." When he heard of the American Atom bomb, he said "Drop it on Moscow." The virulence in the U.S. re Soviets was ridiculous. The Cincinnatti Reds baseball team started calling themselves "Redlegs." You can't make this stuff up. Stalin had several times attempted dialogue with the west but was never able to. Krushchev finally made it on PBS and the smug Jew interviewing him claimed he was "howling at the moon." Is that the way one should refer to a representative of the leader of a huge, powerful nation? If I sound like a communist, believe me I am not. The current hysteria could create a nuclear war, and who in God's Holy name wants that? Ask the U.S. destroyer Cook, who, when overflown by a Russian fighter, had its entire electronic system destroyed. The Russians claim they are capable of destroying U.S. Aircraft Carriers with a missile for which there is no known way to stop it. Maybe they are saying and cannot do it but who is going to test them on it? They are light years ahead of us in rocketry...............Lockheed Martin bought ten of their rocket engines and stated that the Russians were at least 10 to twenty years a head of the U.S.

    Good point veteran !! , so the americans created artificially a ” black legend ” against the russians , created artificially hate thinking and hate speech towards Russia , in order to maintain an artificial cold war ?

    I am from an european city , which has a US Air Force base . In the late 70`s I lived in the USA , I was surprised that many americans asked me if in Europe we were affraid of a russian invasion , because they were affraid . They were surprised when I answered them that we were n0t affraid of russian invasions , that in fact Russia had been invaded by the germans ,the french , the poles , the swedes , the mongols …. And I tried to joke with americans telling them that we were in fact invaded by the USAF , but they did not have much sense of humor , they seemed quite dumb and fanatic .

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  107. @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    "...do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the Soviet Union in 1990 ?"

    Yes, the decreases in population can easily be explained primarily by Russians, who used to live there, having moved back to Russia. Additionally, there might have been small population flows of Lithuanias to Poland, Latvians to Sweden, and Estonians to Finland, given the close relationships. Nothing nefarious.

    No no , not many russians have returned to Russia from the baltic countries . The youth of these countries has emigrated massively to Germany and others countries of the area , you can see in the demographic figures that it is not ” small flows ” but massive depopulation . Very nefarious , the baltics don`t have a future other than cannon fodder in case of war .

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  108. @linguistic smiles
    It is very funny for the french speaking the american word neocon , for neo conservative

    In french con means idiot , dumb , stupid , silly


    so, neocon neoidiot , hehehhehehehehhehe

    In french con means idiot , dumb , stupid , silly

    Doesn’t it ultimately mean “cunt”?

    That word is used all the time, the same way, in laddish England, but in the rest of the (white) Anglosphere, you will be pounced upon by feminists. And not in a good way.

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    Con in french also means cunt , it is a polisemic word
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  109. @Quartermaster

    Because the Russians have concluded a long time ago that the US officials are “non-agreement capable” (недоговороспособны).
     
    The US has known this about Russia and its Soviet forebears for a very long time. Yeltsin was willing to keep the Budapest Memorandum, but Putin has abrogated it against someone that did him, and his country, no harm.

    Putin is a danger to his country. Russia is simply eating its seed corn.

    The US financial-political- military power structure cannot keep an agreement as the US Constitution is largely ignored.

    Russia did not outsource its skilled trades and high-tech- the US did. Russia is the world’s leading wheat exporter and the leading exporter of nuclear technology- the US is not. China is world’s largest steel producer- the US is not.

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  110. T says:
    @expat47
    I am a British WW11 veteran. Served with the 14th Army in Burma. When I came to the U.S. I was stunned at the hatred of Russia by most Americans I met. This was 1947, a time when, as Churchill, no fan of the Soviets, exclaimed, "The Russians tore the guts out of the German Army." When he heard of the American Atom bomb, he said "Drop it on Moscow." The virulence in the U.S. re Soviets was ridiculous. The Cincinnatti Reds baseball team started calling themselves "Redlegs." You can't make this stuff up. Stalin had several times attempted dialogue with the west but was never able to. Krushchev finally made it on PBS and the smug Jew interviewing him claimed he was "howling at the moon." Is that the way one should refer to a representative of the leader of a huge, powerful nation? If I sound like a communist, believe me I am not. The current hysteria could create a nuclear war, and who in God's Holy name wants that? Ask the U.S. destroyer Cook, who, when overflown by a Russian fighter, had its entire electronic system destroyed. The Russians claim they are capable of destroying U.S. Aircraft Carriers with a missile for which there is no known way to stop it. Maybe they are saying and cannot do it but who is going to test them on it? They are light years ahead of us in rocketry...............Lockheed Martin bought ten of their rocket engines and stated that the Russians were at least 10 to twenty years a head of the U.S.

    You make an interesting post, Expat47. I think what we’re witnessing with the hysteria is part of a faux, manipulated, and controlled Hegelian Dialectic (ie problem, reaction, solution) that’s been at work since the American and French Revolutions of 1776 and 1789 respectively. The first revolution, the American, with its Capitalism and its associated artificial hyper-individualism, and the second revolution, the French, with its ‘Red’ Republicanism and in time its Marxism and an associated artificial hyper-collectivism, have been pitted against each other for over two hundred years. Capitalism and Marxism are both anti-life systems as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism.

    I think part of the thinking/rationalization behind those pushing this faux dialectic is something like this: we have this Capitalism and its artificial individualism, which we control, and it has its problems, however, we also have this thing called Marxism, and its artificial collectivism, which we also control. In their struggles against each other they will, in theory, fix their errors and smooth away their differences. Each of these ultimately complementary revolutionary systems have been pushed to fight it out ideologically across the globe, even physically at times, the latter aspect of this manifesting in the Korean and Vietnam wars. Both of these Capitalist and Red systems, as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism, are detrimental to the peoples of the world and to mankind as a whole. Neither ‘side’ ultimately is expected, nor allowed, to win though, and just as that Ford Foundation representative told US fedgov investigators back in the 1950′s, ‘convergance’ (ie synthesis) between US Capitalism and Soviet Communism is the aim. This apparently after a presumed ‘reset’ (ie a global thermo-nucleur/biological war) that results in the removal of five to six billion souls leaving the magical 500 million survivors left to repopulate the earth, each being a New Multi-Cultural Man/Woman living under what in theory is to be a perfect global democratic republic, ie the United States of the World, the New Rome.

    But, while they think they’re perfect, no one is, and you can’t run both sides of this thing and retain any integrity…in the case of the US witness the ‘me too’ situation of late, let alone the catastrophic debt load of the government, both being reflective of a small part of the utter corruption present within the US establishment.

    Specifically as to who ‘we’ is that’s been running both sides of this faux and manipulated Hegelian Dialectic these past several hundred years I’d tend to think its powerful elements of the elites of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples and their respective hangers on in addition to other players to varying degrees, London being historically a major center of this activity.

    What to do for now about this planned future global empire? People have their refusal.

    Getting back to Russia, the meme of the US and Russia being enemies has been in the US public’s mind since at least 1853. That was the year that the geo-political book The New Rome was published which outlines how in the future the US and UK will reunite and after first co-jointly conquering the center of power upon continental Europe, Germany, the US will then proceed by way of it’s air power and its domination of the same to defeat Russia, then to declare ‘the empire of the world’, the ‘New Rome’.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that in Russia there are similar old books which say largely the same thing but has it being Russia rather than the US setting up a future global state/empire after a world war, perhaps being republished with a foreward commentary by Alexander Dugin. Same with Islam.

    The peoples of the world are being ‘played’ against each other in this so as to destroy each other. The forces pushing this faux dialectic these past centuries of ‘left’/’right’, Capitalist/Marxist, feed on the negativity and hatred generated growing ever stronger as they go. Don’t play along, refuse. Choose life!

    Excerpts from The New Rome:

    American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’…

    pg 109

    ‘Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.’

    pg.155-156

    ‘It [air power] will give us the victory over Russian continentalism. American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’…

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

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    Capitalism and Marxism are both anti-life systems as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism.
     
    I think it’s much simpler than that. The last stage of capitalism is not imperialism, nor it’s multiculturalism. It’s phonyism. On this planet so far 3 major types of inequality (or discriminations) have been identified:

    1. Economic
    2. Racial
    3. (Homo)sexual

    When the USSR was still around, it preoccupied itself with number 1. That’s because it towers over the other 2 in terms of importance. USSR did achieve some results tackling number 1.

    Unfortunately, the economic equality that they achieved gravitated towards relative poverty instead of relative prosperity.

    The US, on the other hand, took different approach. They decided to “deal” with 2 and 3, not because they already fixed number 1, but because they never intended to do anything about it.

    If I know the capitalists well – and I think I do – at this very moment they are probably very busy inventing inequality number 4, which they will start to wrestle with as soon as they have it formulated. So it will appear that they are really working very hard to make everybody equal. Because, you know, since the day 1, the main preoccupation of capitalism has been how to deal with inequality. That’s what capitalism really is about.
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  111. Vidi says:
    @anonymous
    If the media truly hated Trump as much as they say they did, they would never have put him front and center during the primary and given him all that publicity. They would have Ron Pauled him into public oblivion. They had complete control, but instead of ignoring him, they put him front of center.

    And those polls? If they were rigged, the media knew they were rigged, and would have conducted one in secret. And why would Hillary have a schedule of campaign stops, half of which were lies. Why was she lying about her campaign schedule? His election was a surprise to no one, except those they wanted to fool - the public.

    The "surprise" of his election was nothing more than part of the grand theatre we see being played now.

    There was collusion all right during this election, but it certainly wasn't with the Russians.

    If the media truly hated Trump as much as they say they did, they would never have put him front and center during the primary and given him all that publicity. They would have Ron Pauled him into public oblivion. They had complete control, but instead of ignoring him, they put him front of center.

    What’s more likely, I think, is that the media thought Trump had no chance. They had to give some coverage to someone other than Hilary, in order to preserve the illusion that the election wasn’t already rigged, so they covered Trump. (That he was already famous on TV, and had the people interested, encouraged this.)

    One indication that the Deep State thought they had the election in the bag was that they didn’t even bother to cheat on the vote count. When Trump won, it was a surprise and a shock, and the Deep Staters have yet to recover.

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  112. Anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    US-led NATO and friend UK-NATO” (Royal Institute of International Affairs, or Chatham House) want Germany to become the “new military leader” Absolutely ridiculous. Lunatics

    “Aus Deutschlands «gewachsener Macht» und seinem «gestiegenen Einfluss» folge dabei auch «ein Mehr an Verantwortung. Jahrzehntelang war Deutschland Konsument von Sicherheit, garantiert von der Nato und insbesondere von den USA. Heute erwarten Verbündete und Partner, dass Deutschland selbst Sicherheit produziert; und nicht nur für sich selbst.”

    [...]

    “Unverblümt verlangte der Chatham-House-Direktor in seiner Rede, die deutschen Rüstungsausgaben zu erhöhen. Die britischen Rüstungsausgaben seien angesichts der schwierigen wirtschaftlichen Situation rückläufig. Zwar befinde sich Deutschland derzeit noch unter den «Top ten» der Länder mit den höchsten Ausgaben für «Verteidigung.”

    Trump und der Weg Deutschlands zur Weltordnungsmacht

    https://www.zeit-fragen.ch/de/ausgaben/2018/nr-17-17-juli-2018/trump-und-der-weg-deutschlands-zur-weltordnungsmacht.html

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  113. Avery says:
    @TomSchmidt
    They should have destroyed Germany after WWI, or come to a just Peace. They did neither, slightly weakening it and strongly pissing it off.

    After the Soviets went out of business, the US neither welcomed it to the brotherhood of nations, nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat. Letting the looters loose upon it sure did piss a lot of people off though.

    Your point is well taken.

    {the US neither………., nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat.}

    How exactly was US going to, quote, ‘destroy’ Russia after the breakup of USSR?
    RF had the same number of nuke warheads (> than US) before and after the breakup.
    US could certainly destroy RF with nukes, but it would be mutual: US too would be destroyed.

    Knowing it can’t destroy RF militarily US tried everything else: the Yeltsin years of massive looting of national wealth and dismantling of industry. Promotion and funding of terrorism on RF’s territory. Encroaching NATO. Destruction or destabilization of Russia’s allies,……

    US is still trying: oil price crash engineered with KSA; attacks on Russia’s ruble; sanctions;….

    Nothing has worked.
    Russia has absorbed the shocks and in some cases become stronger due to sanctions.
    (e.g. its agriculture experienced a boom, making Russia more food secure and immune to food blackmail).

    {…. not be a threat.}

    US and NATO are a threat to Russia: RF is no threat to US.
    If by ‘threat’ you mean it will not meekly submit to US hegemony, then yeah she is a ‘threat’.

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    Abraham Lincoln was once asked why he tried to befriend his enemies, not destroy them. "Surely I destroy an enemy when I make him a friend" was the response.

    There was a brief moment in 1988, when Gorbachev met Reagan and Bush in New York, when it looked like the West and the East would again drop arms. As I recall, there was an earthquake in Armenia that called that summit to an end. I don't know if it was Bush or Clinton most at fault for pushing unilateral global dominance, but the rhetoric of "indispensable nation" was Clintonian.

    My guess is that the moment has passed, and the best to be hoped for is that we not be enemies.
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  114. @War for Blair Mountain
    The Paradox:

    The above h0moerotic caricature of Putin and Trump is quite revealing in what it tells us about what drives the emotional life of White Liberals and White Leftist. They are driven by powerful urges to impose homosexuality-pedophilia-pederasty on both Christian Russia and the Working Class Native Born White American Christians.

    However, to get themselves elected into power, White Liberals and White Leftists have to import socially and culturally conservative post-1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrants who absolutely hate White Liberals and White Leftist.


    Without a doubt there is an expiration date...right around the bend in the road...for White Liberals and White Leftist....and the mutilated-tranny freak Antifa.....Comming up....round the bend....yeaaaah!!!...do do do...de dah...dee dah.......do do do de dah...de dah...dah....I think it’s mixolydian A......

    It seems ludicrous but a not inconsiderable piece of the hatred for Putin on the left is because of his failure to celebrate sodomy.

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  115. Cyrano says:
    @T
    You make an interesting post, Expat47. I think what we're witnessing with the hysteria is part of a faux, manipulated, and controlled Hegelian Dialectic (ie problem, reaction, solution) that's been at work since the American and French Revolutions of 1776 and 1789 respectively. The first revolution, the American, with its Capitalism and its associated artificial hyper-individualism, and the second revolution, the French, with its 'Red' Republicanism and in time its Marxism and an associated artificial hyper-collectivism, have been pitted against each other for over two hundred years. Capitalism and Marxism are both anti-life systems as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism.

    I think part of the thinking/rationalization behind those pushing this faux dialectic is something like this: we have this Capitalism and its artificial individualism, which we control, and it has its problems, however, we also have this thing called Marxism, and its artificial collectivism, which we also control. In their struggles against each other they will, in theory, fix their errors and smooth away their differences. Each of these ultimately complementary revolutionary systems have been pushed to fight it out ideologically across the globe, even physically at times, the latter aspect of this manifesting in the Korean and Vietnam wars. Both of these Capitalist and Red systems, as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism, are detrimental to the peoples of the world and to mankind as a whole. Neither 'side' ultimately is expected, nor allowed, to win though, and just as that Ford Foundation representative told US fedgov investigators back in the 1950's, 'convergance' (ie synthesis) between US Capitalism and Soviet Communism is the aim. This apparently after a presumed 'reset' (ie a global thermo-nucleur/biological war) that results in the removal of five to six billion souls leaving the magical 500 million survivors left to repopulate the earth, each being a New Multi-Cultural Man/Woman living under what in theory is to be a perfect global democratic republic, ie the United States of the World, the New Rome.

    But, while they think they're perfect, no one is, and you can't run both sides of this thing and retain any integrity...in the case of the US witness the 'me too' situation of late, let alone the catastrophic debt load of the government, both being reflective of a small part of the utter corruption present within the US establishment.

    Specifically as to who 'we' is that's been running both sides of this faux and manipulated Hegelian Dialectic these past several hundred years I'd tend to think its powerful elements of the elites of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples and their respective hangers on in addition to other players to varying degrees, London being historically a major center of this activity.

    What to do for now about this planned future global empire? People have their refusal.

    Getting back to Russia, the meme of the US and Russia being enemies has been in the US public's mind since at least 1853. That was the year that the geo-political book The New Rome was published which outlines how in the future the US and UK will reunite and after first co-jointly conquering the center of power upon continental Europe, Germany, the US will then proceed by way of it's air power and its domination of the same to defeat Russia, then to declare 'the empire of the world', the 'New Rome'.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that in Russia there are similar old books which say largely the same thing but has it being Russia rather than the US setting up a future global state/empire after a world war, perhaps being republished with a foreward commentary by Alexander Dugin. Same with Islam.

    The peoples of the world are being 'played' against each other in this so as to destroy each other. The forces pushing this faux dialectic these past centuries of 'left'/'right', Capitalist/Marxist, feed on the negativity and hatred generated growing ever stronger as they go. Don't play along, refuse. Choose life!

    Excerpts from The New Rome:

    American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’...

    pg 109

    'Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.’

    pg.155-156

    'It [air power] will give us the victory over Russian continentalism. American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’...


    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/revolution_and_counter_revolution

    Capitalism and Marxism are both anti-life systems as is their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism.

    I think it’s much simpler than that. The last stage of capitalism is not imperialism, nor it’s multiculturalism. It’s phonyism. On this planet so far 3 major types of inequality (or discriminations) have been identified:

    1. Economic
    2. Racial
    3. (Homo)sexual

    When the USSR was still around, it preoccupied itself with number 1. That’s because it towers over the other 2 in terms of importance. USSR did achieve some results tackling number 1.

    Unfortunately, the economic equality that they achieved gravitated towards relative poverty instead of relative prosperity.

    The US, on the other hand, took different approach. They decided to “deal” with 2 and 3, not because they already fixed number 1, but because they never intended to do anything about it.

    If I know the capitalists well – and I think I do – at this very moment they are probably very busy inventing inequality number 4, which they will start to wrestle with as soon as they have it formulated. So it will appear that they are really working very hard to make everybody equal. Because, you know, since the day 1, the main preoccupation of capitalism has been how to deal with inequality. That’s what capitalism really is about.

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  116. @Reg Cæsar

    In french con means idiot , dumb , stupid , silly

     

    Doesn't it ultimately mean "cunt"?

    That word is used all the time, the same way, in laddish England, but in the rest of the (white) Anglosphere, you will be pounced upon by feminists. And not in a good way.

    Con in french also means cunt , it is a polisemic word

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  117. yurivku says:
    @Franz
    now undeniable that the system cannot reform itself

    Yes, Saker and that puts US politics behind European fascism of 70+ years ago.

    Mussolini was booted out by a fascist committee, Franco paved the way for a constitutional monarchy, but all Americans get is Bozo the Clown/President.

    The destruction of the US working class amazes me in its absence from all serious debate. First subverted by the CIA then rendered null by outsourcing (which is still undercounted) the "deplorables" have no mechanism for resistence except the unthinkable one: Hope for total breakup of the United States. Or hope for a foreign invasion.

    Makes one wonder. When Egyptians greeted Alexander the Great as a liberator as he conquered them, it was a fairly pungent comment on the ruling Persians. Will blue-collar former-Yanks be cheering for liberating Chinese or Russian troops anytime soon? Henry Kissinger once predicted something of the sort.

    We do live in interesting times.

    We do live in interesting times.

    Yes, it’s very good chance to die in very interesting way now. Thanks your lovely USA.

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    Thanks your lovely USA.

     

    Mine? Not a chance.

    I am officially a Deplorable; I work for a living. Industry. Not "defense". This mess hasn't been my country in living memory.

    Plutocrats refer to us as "human resources" but I think they even hate calling us human.

    Quarter-century ago, a fellow Deporable named Thomas Chittum wrote a fine dissident bood called Civil War II in which he stated the fact that the only thing that unites American elites is their bottomless hatred for the white working class.

    As of the 21st Century, all that's changed is they hate us even more.

    Tom Chittum also stated that when push comes to shove, the Plutocrats will finally use naked force to destroy us.

    Outsiders should see the opportunities that may arise working with American dissidents against our mutual tormentors.

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  118. FB says:

    ‘…but Trump has even pathetically backtracked on the most important statement he made during the summit when he retroactively changed his “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be” into “I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia” (so much for 5D chess!)…’

    LOL…Trump also added to that [while looking dismissively into the camera]…

    ‘sort of a double negative’…

    LOL…

    This is basically the equivalent of Lyndon Johnson pissing on his secret service guy’s pants…[one time he had to take a leak outside and asked the poor guy to stand in front of him]…the obliging bodyguard felt the warm liquid on his leg and looked behind him alarmed…to which Johsnon put a hand on his shoulder and said…

    ‘It’s okay, son…it’s my prerogative’…

    LOL…that’s pretty funny…Trump was basically telling the media plebes…I can basically piss on all of you, any time anywhere…it’s my prerogative…

    It may not be 5D chess, but it’s pretty darn funny when you think about it…

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  119. FB says:

    ‘…What we see today is a hate campaign against both Trump and Russia the likes of which I think the world has never seen before: even in the early 20th century, including the pre-WWII years when there was plenty of hate thrown around, there never was such a unanimity of hatred as what we see today…’

    Yeah but this is a media storm in a teacup…THE PUBLIC DOESN’T CARE…

    Here is an eye-opening poll from a few days ago…the ‘Russia issue’ is number 27 on the list…with less than 1 percent of respondents mentioning it…immigration is number one at 22 percent…

    Tucker Carlson breaks it down…

    That’s why Trump can go around pissing on the mouthfoaming ‘press core’ with howlers about ‘double negatives’ that are clearly intended as an insult to anyone’s intelligence…he knows the people don’t give a rat’s ass about what the media is yowling about…

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  120. @Avery
    {the US neither.........., nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat.}

    How exactly was US going to, quote, 'destroy' Russia after the breakup of USSR?
    RF had the same number of nuke warheads (> than US) before and after the breakup.
    US could certainly destroy RF with nukes, but it would be mutual: US too would be destroyed.

    Knowing it can't destroy RF militarily US tried everything else: the Yeltsin years of massive looting of national wealth and dismantling of industry. Promotion and funding of terrorism on RF's territory. Encroaching NATO. Destruction or destabilization of Russia's allies,......

    US is still trying: oil price crash engineered with KSA; attacks on Russia's ruble; sanctions;....

    Nothing has worked.
    Russia has absorbed the shocks and in some cases become stronger due to sanctions.
    (e.g. its agriculture experienced a boom, making Russia more food secure and immune to food blackmail).

    {.... not be a threat.}

    US and NATO are a threat to Russia: RF is no threat to US.
    If by 'threat' you mean it will not meekly submit to US hegemony, then yeah she is a 'threat'.

    Abraham Lincoln was once asked why he tried to befriend his enemies, not destroy them. “Surely I destroy an enemy when I make him a friend” was the response.

    There was a brief moment in 1988, when Gorbachev met Reagan and Bush in New York, when it looked like the West and the East would again drop arms. As I recall, there was an earthquake in Armenia that called that summit to an end. I don’t know if it was Bush or Clinton most at fault for pushing unilateral global dominance, but the rhetoric of “indispensable nation” was Clintonian.

    My guess is that the moment has passed, and the best to be hoped for is that we not be enemies.

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  121. Anonymous[657] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that
    Quote:
    Besides, ever since the many western verbal promises of not moving NATO east “by one inch eastward” the Russians know that western promises, assurances, and other guarantees are worthless, whether promised in a conversation or inked on paper.

    Russian propagandists and others like to cite that "one inch" narrative, but there is much controversy whether this is actually true or just a myth. For instance, Gorbachev, who must have been present in such discussions, has provided two contradictory versions (reminds me of Trump); most recently in 2014 he proclaimed:

    "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all [in 1990], and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

    Additionally:

    Eduard Shevardnadze, foreign minister of the Soviet Union between 1985 and 1991, has always maintained that "NATO's expansion beyond German borders never came up for negotiation." According to Robert Zoellick, a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, no formal commitment regarding enlargement was made.

    For details, see the subsection "German Unification" at the Wikipedia piece on NATO expansion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Regardless whatever some politician may have possibly suggested or insinuated, and another understood or interpreted, during the course of topical brainstorming sessions and negotiations, what counts (duh!) is what was subsequently formalized in the official treaty, in which such a specific commitment was not made. Therefore, perpetuating this unproven allegation of firm "verbal promises" as a major basis for one's argumentation on the NATO buildup in the Baltic region, is a transparently weak tactic.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence, Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation. As I said a few days ago in response to a piece by Israel Shamir on the summit in Helsinki, stupid decisions have adverse consequences. It would be smart for people to stop remaining in denial about this issue.

    An orderly transformation of the Königsberg region will necessarily take a few years and must be coordinated at top levels. Perhaps when Lavrov met Merkel at a meeting in Berlin last Tuesday, this issue -- surely an item one would expect to have been on the agenda at the summit meeting -- was being followed up on, in addition to other topics. Discussions on such a matter would have to be discreet because certain folks might otherwise get more hysterical. However, the sooner Russian military gets the ƒ@#% out of this illegally occupied region for good, the better off everyone in this part of Europe will be.

    In contrast, far more important is the fact that through the failure to vacate the illegally occupied Stalinist outpost of Kaliningrad Oblast after the Baltic countries regained their independence

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  122. @Anonymous
    Trump was a complete outsider to politics when he decided to run for the presidency in 2015. He had no team or political allies. He really didn't have much of a philosophy of governance, a solid foundation of history and facts, a first rate vocabulary or the debating skills of an 8th grader. He has consistently failed to win over any Democratic and probably not even a majority of Republican politicians.

    The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every level.

    His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it's difficult for the man to retain his credibility before the public.

    Actually, a smidgen south of half the public are the only base of his support. And a very eclectic base they are, including numerous liberals, progressives, intellectuals and peaceniks, in addition to conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians, who prefer to deal with the real world rather than Hillary's deliberate misrepresentation of it.

    Will that be enough for him to survive? The way the maniacs are raving in the media, expect the country to throw a big celebration if he gets "taken out" one way or another tomorrow. The situation is really dangerous and utterly shameful. Most of the blame goes to Hillary Clinton and her insurrectionists for not accepting the outcome of our system of ersatz "democracy." Her husband won with something like 43% of the popular vote in 1992. I'm pretty sure Trump had a higher number. Cry me a river, Hillary, but stop trying to destroy what you can't have like a petulant child.

    (I'm a liberal Democrat.)

    I would like you to consider what a Trump president has accomplished.

    Do you doubt the “deep state”, a group of unelected bureaucrats completely control foreign policy and most of the domestically policy now?

    Is there any doubt in your mind that “mainstream” (really corporate) “news” is just blatant propaganda at this point?

    Do you think either party is sincere about trying to implement anything they run on as “issues” still?

    Do you still believe we do not have a two tiered justice system?

    Do you still believe the US is a democratic republic?

    You’re a liberal democrat, do you think Bernie Sanders would have been able to stand up to the cabal that Trump is fighting? How about Ron Paul?

    Do you think anything would have changed of Mitt Romney beat Obama in 2014, or McCain beat Obama in 2008, or John Kerry had defeated George W. Bush?

    The point of the Trump president wasn’t to change anything, although that would be nice. It was to demonstrate nothing can be changed because US citizens have absolutely no representation in Washington DC. This visceral reaction to the election of Trump isn’t because he poses any danger to the people really in power, but the public is starting to show they may pose a danger.

    The first thing you need to do in order to fix a problem is accept it exists. Do you accept these problems exist? Did you doubt these problems existed in 2015? I have no doubts any more. The hope is to get more people aware of the actual issues we are facing.

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    The point of the Trump president wasn’t to change anything, although that would be nice. It was to demonstrate nothing can be changed because US citizens have absolutely no representation in Washington DC. This visceral reaction to the election of Trump isn’t because he poses any danger to the people really in power, but the public is starting to show they may pose a danger.

    The first thing you need to do in order to fix a problem is accept it exists. Do you accept these problems exist? Did you doubt these problems existed in 2015? I have no doubts any more. The hope is to get more people aware of the actual issues we are facing.
     

    That's a very good point. The public finally realize what's being done to them.

    It's like the old Soviet Union where the propaganda became less and less effective until everyone realized that 1) they were being lied to 2) they lived in a dictatorship 3) they were impoverished while an elite had all the special privileges.

    In the USSR, at the end, the Nomenklatura didn't have the will to impose Stalinist style repression to retain power, and the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1989 - If they couldn't trick the public any longer, and no one believed their lies, they had to use physical force against the public to hold power and they were too scared to do it.

    So the US Ziocon elite seems to facing the same question.

    Are they are ready to use Bolshevik Deep State type violence against the US public to put down demonstrations or not? i.e. make their implicit power explicit.

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  123. @Carlo
    I think because Trump postulated himself as a candidate, then got nominated the Republican candidate and worst of all, despite the huge campaign against him, won the elections, without the blessing of the Deep State and the neocons. So now they want to teach him (and anyone else who might think about doing the same) a lesson: "Anyone who tries to become president without our approval will be crushed", so it never happens again.

    And this is why they have to be removed from power.

    I’d personally rather have a military dictatorship than the criminal scum that compose the intelligence agencies at this point.

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    You are not alone in this. Unfortunately, it ain’t gonna happen. In case someone is wondering, I know that “ain’t” ain’t a word.
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  124. Miro23 says:
    @Richard Wicks
    I would like you to consider what a Trump president has accomplished.

    Do you doubt the "deep state", a group of unelected bureaucrats completely control foreign policy and most of the domestically policy now?

    Is there any doubt in your mind that "mainstream" (really corporate) "news" is just blatant propaganda at this point?

    Do you think either party is sincere about trying to implement anything they run on as "issues" still?

    Do you still believe we do not have a two tiered justice system?

    Do you still believe the US is a democratic republic?

    You're a liberal democrat, do you think Bernie Sanders would have been able to stand up to the cabal that Trump is fighting? How about Ron Paul?

    Do you think anything would have changed of Mitt Romney beat Obama in 2014, or McCain beat Obama in 2008, or John Kerry had defeated George W. Bush?

    The point of the Trump president wasn't to change anything, although that would be nice. It was to demonstrate nothing can be changed because US citizens have absolutely no representation in Washington DC. This visceral reaction to the election of Trump isn't because he poses any danger to the people really in power, but the public is starting to show they may pose a danger.

    The first thing you need to do in order to fix a problem is accept it exists. Do you accept these problems exist? Did you doubt these problems existed in 2015? I have no doubts any more. The hope is to get more people aware of the actual issues we are facing.

    The point of the Trump president wasn’t to change anything, although that would be nice. It was to demonstrate nothing can be changed because US citizens have absolutely no representation in Washington DC. This visceral reaction to the election of Trump isn’t because he poses any danger to the people really in power, but the public is starting to show they may pose a danger.

    The first thing you need to do in order to fix a problem is accept it exists. Do you accept these problems exist? Did you doubt these problems existed in 2015? I have no doubts any more. The hope is to get more people aware of the actual issues we are facing.

    That’s a very good point. The public finally realize what’s being done to them.

    It’s like the old Soviet Union where the propaganda became less and less effective until everyone realized that 1) they were being lied to 2) they lived in a dictatorship 3) they were impoverished while an elite had all the special privileges.

    In the USSR, at the end, the Nomenklatura didn’t have the will to impose Stalinist style repression to retain power, and the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1989 – If they couldn’t trick the public any longer, and no one believed their lies, they had to use physical force against the public to hold power and they were too scared to do it.

    So the US Ziocon elite seems to facing the same question.

    Are they are ready to use Bolshevik Deep State type violence against the US public to put down demonstrations or not? i.e. make their implicit power explicit.

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    Not.......quite.

    The big difference is what the middle class feels in USA vs what it felt in Soviet Union.

    In USA they believe in the system. It's essentially good, just needs a bit of tweaking. Even Trump supporters believe that. MAGA. Again from, say, early 60's?

    In Soviet Union they lost faith in the system.
    They didn't want anything "again".

    Now, when I say "middle class" I mean just those who matter: all public servants, from a little town to the White House; all police and security forces there (can't even start to count them....) and last but definitely not least, the military.

    I noticed that you often mention Romania in similar conversations here.
    Now....could you, honestly, compare the people who rose against Ceausescu with Trump supporters?
    That's all we need to know, I think.
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  125. Unfortunately, this is very accurate analysis of the present situation.

    Just keep in mind that the globalist conspirators are convinced that the world is overpopulated and that we — that is, you and me — are consuming the natural resources of the planet which, by natural law belong to them. That’s why they have openly stated in many occasions that their ultimate goal is the elimination of at least 85 percent of the current levels of population.

    Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worse.

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    .....convinced that the world is overpopulated and that we — that is, you and me — are consuming the natural resources of the planet which, by natural law belong to them....
     
    Interesting.

    Well, Mr. Oppenheimer threw a spanner in the works there, I guess.
    If anything on that scale starts, well......

    I believe they are working on "Brasil" option instead.
    "We" are to consume bare sustenance, in barrios, while they have all the opulence. At least that's the plan. Mice and men and such.
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  126. peterAUS says:
    @Miro23

    The point of the Trump president wasn’t to change anything, although that would be nice. It was to demonstrate nothing can be changed because US citizens have absolutely no representation in Washington DC. This visceral reaction to the election of Trump isn’t because he poses any danger to the people really in power, but the public is starting to show they may pose a danger.

    The first thing you need to do in order to fix a problem is accept it exists. Do you accept these problems exist? Did you doubt these problems existed in 2015? I have no doubts any more. The hope is to get more people aware of the actual issues we are facing.
     

    That's a very good point. The public finally realize what's being done to them.

    It's like the old Soviet Union where the propaganda became less and less effective until everyone realized that 1) they were being lied to 2) they lived in a dictatorship 3) they were impoverished while an elite had all the special privileges.

    In the USSR, at the end, the Nomenklatura didn't have the will to impose Stalinist style repression to retain power, and the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1989 - If they couldn't trick the public any longer, and no one believed their lies, they had to use physical force against the public to hold power and they were too scared to do it.

    So the US Ziocon elite seems to facing the same question.

    Are they are ready to use Bolshevik Deep State type violence against the US public to put down demonstrations or not? i.e. make their implicit power explicit.

    Not…….quite.

    The big difference is what the middle class feels in USA vs what it felt in Soviet Union.

    In USA they believe in the system. It’s essentially good, just needs a bit of tweaking. Even Trump supporters believe that. MAGA. Again from, say, early 60′s?

    In Soviet Union they lost faith in the system.
    They didn’t want anything “again”.

    Now, when I say “middle class” I mean just those who matter: all public servants, from a little town to the White House; all police and security forces there (can’t even start to count them….) and last but definitely not least, the military.

    I noticed that you often mention Romania in similar conversations here.
    Now….could you, honestly, compare the people who rose against Ceausescu with Trump supporters?
    That’s all we need to know, I think.

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    Good comment, but you're really only saying how much lower does the US have to go. They're not there yet, but at some point they're the people who rose against Ceausescu.
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  127. peterAUS says:
    @Pancho Perico
    Unfortunately, this is very accurate analysis of the present situation.

    Just keep in mind that the globalist conspirators are convinced that the world is overpopulated and that we — that is, you and me — are consuming the natural resources of the planet which, by natural law belong to them. That's why they have openly stated in many occasions that their ultimate goal is the elimination of at least 85 percent of the current levels of population.

    Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worse.

    …..convinced that the world is overpopulated and that we — that is, you and me — are consuming the natural resources of the planet which, by natural law belong to them….

    Interesting.

    Well, Mr. Oppenheimer threw a spanner in the works there, I guess.
    If anything on that scale starts, well……

    I believe they are working on “Brasil” option instead.
    “We” are to consume bare sustenance, in barrios, while they have all the opulence. At least that’s the plan. Mice and men and such.

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  128. ohmy says:

    The Saker asks; “The real question is this: are there any forces inside the US capable of stopping the Neocons from completely taking all the reins of power and, if yes, how could a patriotic reaction to this Neocon coup manifest itself”?
    If our Republic is in danger I see only 2 possible solutions:
    1. The average American has to hit the streets, in massive numbers in support of the President, and beating kitchen pots and pans. Cause clamor for solidarity. The Turks did it for Erdogan
    we can do it for our President.
    2. Several high ranking military officer needs to gather their troops to roll on Washington DC, and arrest the entire house, and the senate. At the same time nationwide pick up every neocon and, every media head, while broadcasting the entire episode live to the American people. You get the idea. Then the banksters. Call fire in on our own position,

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  129. Franz says:
    @yurivku

    We do live in interesting times.
     
    Yes, it's very good chance to die in very interesting way now. Thanks your lovely USA.

    Thanks your lovely USA.

    Mine? Not a chance.

    I am officially a Deplorable; I work for a living. Industry. Not “defense”. This mess hasn’t been my country in living memory.

    Plutocrats refer to us as “human resources” but I think they even hate calling us human.

    Quarter-century ago, a fellow Deporable named Thomas Chittum wrote a fine dissident bood called Civil War II in which he stated the fact that the only thing that unites American elites is their bottomless hatred for the white working class.

    As of the 21st Century, all that’s changed is they hate us even more.

    Tom Chittum also stated that when push comes to shove, the Plutocrats will finally use naked force to destroy us.

    Outsiders should see the opportunities that may arise working with American dissidents against our mutual tormentors.

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    Chittum's book was available on the internet. Probably shadow banned or expunged now. There is a list of trends he believes to be to lead to a flash point that prompts "kinetic" action between ethnic/ social/ economic power bases. Several have reached fruition today.
    He underestimated the influence of academia and the media in humiliating and demeaning the traditional American culture and population component. Another predictive mistake was believing there would be a core of resistance among police and law enforcement as well as the Military. Big mistake, the Federal, state and local law enforcement personnel are totally on the side of the politically correct establishment and far better armed and oppressive than Tom Chittum could ever imagine. As for the military, there is fascination is with high tech and extraordinarily costly never-to -be used weapons at the top and a Social Justice agenda of inclusion and diversity down to the company level.
    The bottomless hatred of the white working class, noted by Chittum, is the cement that binds the bulk of the country to rules promulgated by an elite. There is more likely to be a George Lukas star wars in the 21st century than a Tom Chittum type civil war. Good read though.
    , @peterAUS
    Good post.
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  130. yurivku says:

    The average American has to hit the streets…

    Oh dear, you mean those fat stupid people who even don’t know where on the map Europe is?

    Several high ranking military officer needs to gather their troops to roll on Washington DC, and arrest the entire house, and the senate …

    But you seem to be a commy … -). Never mind, McCain and Mattis are all you have. They probably better start bombing some place outside US

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    You wrote (on another thread).
    "Well, we here in Russia know all this (about Browder) for quite a time."

    Are you sure? Today, 8/8/2018, (on Peter Lavelle's show, Cross Talk) Dmitri Babich referred to Magnitsky as Browder's ***attorney. So, Babich knows that Browder is a crook, but doesn't seem to have absorbed that every detail of Browder's Magnitsky fable is a lie.

    ***Magnitsky was Browder's accountant (and partner in fraud).

    Meanwhile, isn't the Magnitsky Act about much more than Browder's spite ....
    Why Has the Magnitsky Film Been Banned in USA & Europe? https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/why-has-the-magnitsky-film-been-banned-in-usa-europe/
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  131. Swan Knight says: • Website

    As usual the Saker gives us a well informed and compelling read. I am no Trump worshiper and can cite several disappointments. Nevertheless, the battle lines are drawn. Few who voted for Trump are joining his deep state opposition or deranged haters. Even better is the waning influence of the deep state’s propaganda wing, the mainstream media. CNN’s ratings are dropping. Ultra Leftist ESPN is losing viewers and laying off staff. A Philadelphia Inquirer columnist named Mike Seilski tried to blame the demise of Main Streem newspapers on Trump damaging the media. If it’s true that Trump is damaging the mainstream media and causing them to lose money, that is good news indeed.

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    This would have been good news if only it were true. Thing is, nothing MSM say is ever true.
    , @RobinG

    If it’s true that Trump is damaging the mainstream media and causing them to lose money, that is good news indeed.
     
    But it's [decidedly] NOT true. Viewers and readership are up. That's why MSM keeps milking Russiagate, and any other clickbait. Trump is also good for the Dems and the Resistance. They're pulling in the bucks for their anti-Trump campaigns.
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  132. prusmc says: • Website
    @Franz

    Thanks your lovely USA.

     

    Mine? Not a chance.

    I am officially a Deplorable; I work for a living. Industry. Not "defense". This mess hasn't been my country in living memory.

    Plutocrats refer to us as "human resources" but I think they even hate calling us human.

    Quarter-century ago, a fellow Deporable named Thomas Chittum wrote a fine dissident bood called Civil War II in which he stated the fact that the only thing that unites American elites is their bottomless hatred for the white working class.

    As of the 21st Century, all that's changed is they hate us even more.

    Tom Chittum also stated that when push comes to shove, the Plutocrats will finally use naked force to destroy us.

    Outsiders should see the opportunities that may arise working with American dissidents against our mutual tormentors.

    Chittum’s book was available on the internet. Probably shadow banned or expunged now. There is a list of trends he believes to be to lead to a flash point that prompts “kinetic” action between ethnic/ social/ economic power bases. Several have reached fruition today.
    He underestimated the influence of academia and the media in humiliating and demeaning the traditional American culture and population component. Another predictive mistake was believing there would be a core of resistance among police and law enforcement as well as the Military. Big mistake, the Federal, state and local law enforcement personnel are totally on the side of the politically correct establishment and far better armed and oppressive than Tom Chittum could ever imagine. As for the military, there is fascination is with high tech and extraordinarily costly never-to -be used weapons at the top and a Social Justice agenda of inclusion and diversity down to the company level.
    The bottomless hatred of the white working class, noted by Chittum, is the cement that binds the bulk of the country to rules promulgated by an elite. There is more likely to be a George Lukas star wars in the 21st century than a Tom Chittum type civil war. Good read though.

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  134. peterAUS says:
    @Franz

    Thanks your lovely USA.

     

    Mine? Not a chance.

    I am officially a Deplorable; I work for a living. Industry. Not "defense". This mess hasn't been my country in living memory.

    Plutocrats refer to us as "human resources" but I think they even hate calling us human.

    Quarter-century ago, a fellow Deporable named Thomas Chittum wrote a fine dissident bood called Civil War II in which he stated the fact that the only thing that unites American elites is their bottomless hatred for the white working class.

    As of the 21st Century, all that's changed is they hate us even more.

    Tom Chittum also stated that when push comes to shove, the Plutocrats will finally use naked force to destroy us.

    Outsiders should see the opportunities that may arise working with American dissidents against our mutual tormentors.

    Good post.

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  135. Well, the reaction was very informative. It might have opened the eyes even for the habitually sleepwalking American public. Deep State showed loud and clear that:
    1. The US president is just a figurehead. Whenever s/he says something that the puppet-masters did not want him/her to say, the President has to retract his/her words. If someone in the US believes in the American democracy after this, that someone is hopeless.
    2. Deep State/MIC would never abandon their lies about Russia or any other “enemy”, as this would undermine their ability to rob the American treasury blind.
    3. Deep State is no longer afraid to show its hand. This is a new development. It used to operate in the shadows, not out in the open. The optimists would consider it as a sign of desperation. The pessimists would consider it as a sign that Deep State is now sure that the American public is clinically dumb, so pretense is no longer necessary.
    4. All of the above.

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  136. @Swan Knight
    As usual the Saker gives us a well informed and compelling read. I am no Trump worshiper and can cite several disappointments. Nevertheless, the battle lines are drawn. Few who voted for Trump are joining his deep state opposition or deranged haters. Even better is the waning influence of the deep state's propaganda wing, the mainstream media. CNN's ratings are dropping. Ultra Leftist ESPN is losing viewers and laying off staff. A Philadelphia Inquirer columnist named Mike Seilski tried to blame the demise of Main Streem newspapers on Trump damaging the media. If it's true that Trump is damaging the mainstream media and causing them to lose money, that is good news indeed.

    This would have been good news if only it were true. Thing is, nothing MSM say is ever true.

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  137. @Richard Wicks
    And this is why they have to be removed from power.

    I'd personally rather have a military dictatorship than the criminal scum that compose the intelligence agencies at this point.

    You are not alone in this. Unfortunately, it ain’t gonna happen. In case someone is wondering, I know that “ain’t” ain’t a word.

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  138. @RadicalCenter
    Nothing but snark and ad hominem, JR. Those are fun and have their place, but what are your specific, substantive disagreements with Saker and what is some of your contrary reasoning and evidence on each point?

    The Saker’s pieces make up a fantasy world like Dungeons and Dragons. The Saker being the dungeon-master.

    It is a world replete with conspiracy theory and with the forces of good led by the Saker, Putin, and Andrei Martyanov in a Manichaean struggle against the evil Anglo-Zionist Empire headed by Adelson and Netanyahu.

    Is the Deep State the same thing as the Anglo-Zionist Empire? Who is in control? Where do they meet? What exactly does the term Neocon mean anymore? The United States has not launched a war since 2003.

    The Saker gets about 150 comments a week from maybe 50 or 100 regulars on UNZ. That’s a very small audience.

    This is more like a little group-think cult than international security discussion to be taken seriously.

    The Saker seems to spend more time watching the mainstream media and nurturing resentments than reading and researching.

    In real life people look at me like I’m crazy when I mention some of the issues that are taken for granted here on ‘The Saker.’ Yeah, yeah, I know – they’ve all been brainwashed.

    You want substance and specifics? Fine.

    On each point?! Jesus. Okay, gimme a sec. Anything else?

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    Libya 2011, no?
    Syria 2011, no?
    Ukraine 2014, no?
    The US has not DECLARED those wars, but it has never declared the majority of wars it started since 1783 (the list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States).
    Is that supposed to be the consolation for the dead in all those faraway countries?
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  139. @Johnny Rico
    The Saker's pieces make up a fantasy world like Dungeons and Dragons. The Saker being the dungeon-master.

    It is a world replete with conspiracy theory and with the forces of good led by the Saker, Putin, and Andrei Martyanov in a Manichaean struggle against the evil Anglo-Zionist Empire headed by Adelson and Netanyahu.

    Is the Deep State the same thing as the Anglo-Zionist Empire? Who is in control? Where do they meet? What exactly does the term Neocon mean anymore? The United States has not launched a war since 2003.

    The Saker gets about 150 comments a week from maybe 50 or 100 regulars on UNZ. That's a very small audience.

    This is more like a little group-think cult than international security discussion to be taken seriously.

    The Saker seems to spend more time watching the mainstream media and nurturing resentments than reading and researching.

    In real life people look at me like I'm crazy when I mention some of the issues that are taken for granted here on 'The Saker.' Yeah, yeah, I know - they've all been brainwashed.

    You want substance and specifics? Fine.

    On each point?! Jesus. Okay, gimme a sec. Anything else?

    Libya 2011, no?
    Syria 2011, no?
    Ukraine 2014, no?
    The US has not DECLARED those wars, but it has never declared the majority of wars it started since 1783 (the list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States).
    Is that supposed to be the consolation for the dead in all those faraway countries?

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  140. RobinG says:
    @Swan Knight
    As usual the Saker gives us a well informed and compelling read. I am no Trump worshiper and can cite several disappointments. Nevertheless, the battle lines are drawn. Few who voted for Trump are joining his deep state opposition or deranged haters. Even better is the waning influence of the deep state's propaganda wing, the mainstream media. CNN's ratings are dropping. Ultra Leftist ESPN is losing viewers and laying off staff. A Philadelphia Inquirer columnist named Mike Seilski tried to blame the demise of Main Streem newspapers on Trump damaging the media. If it's true that Trump is damaging the mainstream media and causing them to lose money, that is good news indeed.

    If it’s true that Trump is damaging the mainstream media and causing them to lose money, that is good news indeed.

    But it’s [decidedly] NOT true. Viewers and readership are up. That’s why MSM keeps milking Russiagate, and any other clickbait. Trump is also good for the Dems and the Resistance. They’re pulling in the bucks for their anti-Trump campaigns.

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  141. wraith67 says:

    “They are still the most expensive and bloated armed forces on the planet, but nobody fears them anymore (not even relatively small states, nevermind Russia or China).”

    Bloated would be partially true, if you’re talking about the Air Force and Navy. Don’t mistake Afghanistan for a lack of capability, it’s a matter of will with the political class. ISIS in Syria and the Taliban warlords could be solved with a handful of MOABs – they’ve long since discarded any notions of COMSEC. Asymmetric warfare only works if the superior power allows it to: Nobody actually has to leave a single living thing on the battlefield.

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  142. @anonymous
    If the media truly hated Trump as much as they say they did, they would never have put him front and center during the primary and given him all that publicity. They would have Ron Pauled him into public oblivion. They had complete control, but instead of ignoring him, they put him front of center.

    And those polls? If they were rigged, the media knew they were rigged, and would have conducted one in secret. And why would Hillary have a schedule of campaign stops, half of which were lies. Why was she lying about her campaign schedule? His election was a surprise to no one, except those they wanted to fool - the public.

    The "surprise" of his election was nothing more than part of the grand theatre we see being played now.

    There was collusion all right during this election, but it certainly wasn't with the Russians.

    Indeed….

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  143. HughC says:

    To Erebus: I agree 100% with your first comment (#13).

    Trump is completely underestimated… still! Anyone who saw the three debates in 2016 against Hillary — the supposed knowledgeable, experienced, super-smart, Yale-educated SuperWoman — should know that he wiped the floor with her, completely destroyed her boring Open Borders lies and bullshit.

    People have a problem separating the signal from the noise when it comes to Trump (to paraphrase Steve Bannon). For example, his recent tweet against the Koch Brothers was pure genius, nailing the fact that they were happy enough to take his tax cuts, but resist his attempts at Immigration reform because they want endless supplies of cheap labor and don’t give a damn about the long term consequences for the USA.

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  144. aslklas says:

    … And this is how your far offspring will look like when you believe in MSM and support NWO.

    (Grey alien picture here, http://www.worldufoday.com/wp-content/uploads/Alien-mask-grey.jpg)

    This is just my opinion, anyway, based on the very little that I have read and understood. I don’t care if you don’t like it.

    You have to fulfill their prophecies and nuke the Earth in order to get rid of 90% of mankind and make room for a hybrid race, that, after several more stages of hybridization, will lead to this Grey, slave, radiation/pollution resistant, future race. They call it “Evolution”. Whatever they are, they are not human.

    If Trump’s election is finally ratified by the Electoral College, and that is a VERY BIG “if”, then that would represent a step back from the sure way to a nuclear WW3 with Russia that would mean the election of Hillary Clinton.

    But this is far beyond that.

    Whatever the Mass Media has duped us into believing that is good, it is good for them, because it helps to Mankind’s self-destruction and so it reinforces their future time-line. That includes National Security, Google’s “don’t be evil”, and every other good intentions that pave the way to their hell. And whatever they say that it is bad, it is probably something that supports the survival of the true humanity.

    Let’s take Green House Effect and Global Warming, for example. They are an excuse for Geoengineering that, in its purpose, is the opposite of Terraforming, because it is making the world suitable for them, and unsuitable for us. Think about all those pilots who are spraying the skies with poisons, those infamous Chemtrails, just because they obey their orders and make the “right thing to do”.

    The same applies to Fracking, the whole oil industry itself, nuclear energy, Big Pharma,GMO, plastics, pesticides, food and water additives, microwaves, etcetera. (See http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia2/ciencia_industryweapons344.htm)

    They promote changes toward their future time-line in every aspect of our lives. (See http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_nwo217.htm or http://www.kindness2.com/uploads/2/6/1/1/26113502/dr._richard_day._1969___1.pdf).

    And they have being doing it from the very beginning, since when they created the Humanity. They have been forcing our “evolution” all this time.

    Have you ever wondered why our religions, and so our societies, are so much sexophobic? It is because they created those religions too, and they imposed them on our societies, and these Grey beings are sexless. (See http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/religionsplanetearth138.htm)
    Even more, they are emotionless. So, they are powerless, because emotions are the force that creates, or manifests, our reality, and sexual energy is the ultimate creative force.

    Have you ever wondered why our psychopath leaders are so physically/sexually/emotionally abused at childhood? It’s because so the are taught to be psychopaths and to hate the humanity. Do you remember when Great Britain’s Prince Charles’ father said several times that he would wish to be a lethal virus that destroys the mankind?

    Have you ever wondered why so many rules, laws and commandments? They created the laws because without them you have nothing to enforce, and you have nothing to watch, so you have no excuse for surveillance. They are the biblical Watchers, and what they watch is us not stepping out of their time-line.

    Of course, at the same time, all that prohibitions create the need for secrecy. All those evils can not exist without the coverage of the veil of secrecy.

    If you go down enough into the rabbit hole, as David Icke says, if you do your homework when investigating all these evils, if you dig deep enough for their roots, the roots of evil, then you will find these beings.

    These Grey beings are the ultimate warrior race, blindly obeying, without free will of their own, and every time that you blindly obey or believe, you get a step closer to them.

    They are the only race able to withstand the cosmic radiations and so to perform that kind of brute force, materialistic, technological space travel. But that is not the only way to space travel.

    Wherever they travel they will find barren worlds, or else they will make them barren, radioactive, toxic, suitable for them and unsuitable for every other life form.

    We are on the verge of a massive shift of consciousness, of a change of paradigm, when we massively opt out from their time-line.

    Worldwide media are Grey’s propaganda outlets to persuade us to make the choices that will convert us in them, and our world in theirs.
    This goes far beyond Deep State versus American people. This is about the survival of the mankind as we know it.
    Owning the media, they own the public opinion, the “common sense”, and so they own the decision making in all the branches of the government, in all levels, worldwide.
    Through the Illuminati, the Greys control science, religion, education, the media, banking/finances, and government, worldwide.
    They brutalize their children to make them the psychopaths that rule the world, because we allow them to rule, because we choose them. It is our fault if we believe in them, if we trust in them, if we elect them, if we follow them, if we obey them, to self-destroy ourselves and destroy our world, through wars, crime, pollution, etcetera.
    I send you my opinion as a file attached.

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  145. Miro23 says:
    @peterAUS
    Not.......quite.

    The big difference is what the middle class feels in USA vs what it felt in Soviet Union.

    In USA they believe in the system. It's essentially good, just needs a bit of tweaking. Even Trump supporters believe that. MAGA. Again from, say, early 60's?

    In Soviet Union they lost faith in the system.
    They didn't want anything "again".

    Now, when I say "middle class" I mean just those who matter: all public servants, from a little town to the White House; all police and security forces there (can't even start to count them....) and last but definitely not least, the military.

    I noticed that you often mention Romania in similar conversations here.
    Now....could you, honestly, compare the people who rose against Ceausescu with Trump supporters?
    That's all we need to know, I think.

    Good comment, but you’re really only saying how much lower does the US have to go. They’re not there yet, but at some point they’re the people who rose against Ceausescu.

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  146. RobinG says:
    @yurivku

    The average American has to hit the streets...
     
    Oh dear, you mean those fat stupid people who even don't know where on the map Europe is?

    Several high ranking military officer needs to gather their troops to roll on Washington DC, and arrest the entire house, and the senate ...
     
    But you seem to be a commy ... -). Never mind, McCain and Mattis are all you have. They probably better start bombing some place outside US

    You wrote (on another thread).
    “Well, we here in Russia know all this (about Browder) for quite a time.”

    Are you sure? Today, 8/8/2018, (on Peter Lavelle’s show, Cross Talk) Dmitri Babich referred to Magnitsky as Browder’s ***attorney. So, Babich knows that Browder is a crook, but doesn’t seem to have absorbed that every detail of Browder’s Magnitsky fable is a lie.

    ***Magnitsky was Browder’s accountant (and partner in fraud).

    Meanwhile, isn’t the Magnitsky Act about much more than Browder’s spite ….
    Why Has the Magnitsky Film Been Banned in USA & Europe? https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/why-has-the-magnitsky-film-been-banned-in-usa-europe/

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