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The “Islamic homophobe” thesis bites the dust in less than 24 hours

Right from the start, the Orlando shooting made no sense to me and I said so pretty clearly in an article I posted the same day. You can read the full article here, so I will only mention my main conclusion: that this event had nothing to do with homosexuality, Islam or guns and that:

If this is not about homosexuality, Islam or guns, what is it about?

It is about making us believe that is is about homosexuality, Islam and guns, of course!

Less than 24 hours later, two of the key aspects of the official narrative (really, “spin”) are now already falling apart.

Homophobia

The MSM was full of articles denouncing the alleged “homophobia” of the shooter. Even the so-called “alternative” or “independent” echoed this nonsense (see here and here). And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”. So unless we now re-brand Omar Mateen as a “self-hating homosexual” it will be hard to spin this one as a “homophobic hate crime”.

Islam

It gets better. While most of us have now heard that Omar Mateen was a Muslim and that he had pledged allegiance to Daesh. It now turns out that he did pledged allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah! It might be useful to repeat here that while nominally both ISIS and Hezbollah are “Muslim”, the ISIS Takfiris consider Shia as kufars, as apostates, who betrayed true Islam and turned to idolatry. They also consider them “Iranian agents”. As for Hezbollah, they are The Number One (all in caps) enemy of Daesh/ISIS gang and they refer to these Takfiri maniacs as “devils” (shaitan). What this means is simple and leaves only a few options:

1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam

2) Or Omar Mateen was coerced into making this statement and he deliberately made it absurd

3) Or Omar Mateen never said any such thing

Pick your favorite hypothesis, but what is darn certain is that the contents of his alleged statement leave the “Islamic theory” shattered into pieces. There is simply absolutely no way any real Muslim would simultaneously pledged allegiance to ISIS and Hezbollah at the same time.

(Oh sure, visceral Islam-haters will still claim that Islam is to blame, just as Putin-haters will blame Putin, Jew haters will blame Jews, etc. but the factual basis of the “Islamic theory” is now gone).

Which leaves only one MSM endorsed explanation for what happened: guns.

I have already written about the utter inanity of the phobia of guns and I will not repeat it all here other than to notice that in this case the massacre clearly cannot be blamed on “lax gun laws” simply because US Federal and Florida gun laws were massively and deliberately violated by Omar Mateen.

The “Lax gun laws” canard

The putatively “lax gun laws” of the USA are quite clear: you cannot purchase a firearm if you:

1) have a history of substance abuse

2) have a history of violence (including domestic violence)

3) mental issues

Take a look at the ATF form 4473 which every person has to fill before purchasing a firearm:

Notice that point e, f, h and possibly i all would disqualify Omar Mateen about whom we now know that:

1) He had substance abuse problem (steroids, a schedule III controlled substance)

2) He had a history of domestic violence

3) He was bi-polar

So, under US Federal Law Omar Mateen could not have legally bought his guns. And since clearly he did not care about US lawys anyway, he could have purchased them off the street rather easily anyway.

This is hardly something specific to firearms laws, by the way. It turns out that Omar Mateen has been employed as a security guard at a courthouse, an armed security officer for the company G$S and as a state prison guard. Each of these jobs would have required a security investigation and, apparently, not a single one of them found out that Omar Mateen was clearly a nutcase and a ticking timebomb. So the problem is not “lax gun laws” but the fact that the costs of a meaningful security investigation are way too high to be requested by most agencies or companies. As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.

How about a completely different track now?

I want to offer another theory here. Not one I particularly believe in, but one which is at least as credible as the other three and which is never, ever, mentioned by the doubleplusgoodthinking corporate (and even independent) media: what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)

Does anybody still remember the case of Vester Lee Flanagan II aka “Bryce Williams”, the Black homosexual who shot two of his journalist colleagues while they were recording an interview live on air? For some reason, that crime was not presented as a racist “hate crime” or, even less so, as a case of violent “heterophobia”. Could it be that there is something in the mental condition of homosexuals which could bring them to have themselves (“homosexual safe-hating homophobia”) or the others (“heterophobia”)? We know that Flanagan II-Williams wrote a 23 page long manifesto explaining his actions, but that was never published. Am I the only one to wonder why? Could it have something to

do with the fact that he worked as a “male escort”?

We now have two of the most high-visibility and heinous crimes in recent US history committed by homosexuals, one of them Black on White, and yet nobody wonders if they might have something to do with race or homosexuality (well, almost nobody; Ron Unz has written an absolutely superb analysis of the race and crime issue in the USA).

ORDER IT NOW

We know that homosexuals have a higher rate of substance abuse, a higher rate of suicide and even a higher rate of domestic violence than heterosexuals. So why doesn’t the doubleplusgoodthinking doxa begin looking into a possible “epidemic of gay violence” (that is how they would word something like that)?

Now, let me be honest here and admit that I don’t really believe that homosexuals are more likely to commit violent crime than heterosexuals. I don’t believe that simply because I have no reason to believe it. But I would be open to the idea. My real point in bringing this up here is to show that we are all brainwashed, at least to some degree, to accept and reject certain arguments or theses regardless of the the empirical evidence supporting it. We are also conditioned to accept what I call the “non-commutative property” of the “ideological blocks” of the politically acceptable discourse. The reality of something called “homophobia” is accepted as dogma. The possibility of something called “heterophobia” is rejected prima facie as heresy. Likewise, anti-Semitism is a universally accepted notion, but goy-hatred is not. These are just two amongst many other such “one-way mental blocks”. Add several hundred more of such “one-way mental blocks” and you end up with a society in which the vast majority of people automatically accepted the notion that an “Islamic homophobe” single handedly shot over 100 people and that if only the gun laws in Florida or the USA were more restrictive none of that would have happened.

Friends, this is not a coincidence. This is a *system* designed to make us all stupid and gullible.

What we already have is a mentally disturbed, illegal substance abusing homosexual pseudo-Muslim who violated both US and State laws on firearms and who managed to amazing feat of single-handedly confront about 320 adults, shooting over 100 people in the course of a several hours long massacre without ever being challenged, using only two guns (incapable of firing in full-auto mode!). Then we are told that the shooter locked himself with hostages in the bathroom and that he was very calm when talking to the cops. Does any of that make sense to you?

Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet. Remember when Wahabi Chechen terrorists took over 900 people hostage in the Dubrovka Theater in Moscow? Yes, that is nine hundred hostages. Held hostage by forty (40) terrorists. When the Russian special forces stormed the theater, not a single hostage died even though many of the terrorists had real suicide belts on and a huge bomb in the center of the building. That is 40 gunman, 900 hostages, zero dead, zero wounded. True, after the assault something between 140 and 174 people died due to the gas used by the special forces to put everybody – terrorists and hostages – into instantaneous sleep: the local EMT did not have enough personnel and equipment to “reverse” so many people drugged by an unknown gas (many died on the way to the hospital). But even if we blame the 174 dead on the security forces, that still leaves 726 people saved out of 900. And that is how the supposedly “poorly trained” Russian special forces performed. So how do the best SWAT teams on the planet get a score of 50+ people killed by a single (unexperienced) hostage taker? Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.

Waco anybody?

But, again, these questions are not asked.

Instead we have Hillary, the likely next President of the USA (God help us all) spewing the usual nonsense speaking of a madman “consumed by rage against LGBT Americans” who “pledged allegiance to ISIS”, adding:

The attack in Orlando makes it even more clear, we cannot contain this threat. We must defeat it. And the good news is that the coalition effort in Syria and Iraq has made recent gains in the last months. So we should keep the pressure on ramping up the air campaign, accelerating support for our friends fighting to take and hold ground and pushing our partners in the region to do even more.

Perfect! From Orlando to ramping up the air campaign in the Middle-East to support “our friends” (who are, of course, Daesh, ISIS, al-Qaeda & Co!). And then, true to herself and her dogmatic view of the world, she claimed that “assault weapons” were used and that

I believe weapons of war have no place on our streets and we may have our disagreements about gun safety regulations, but we should all be able to agree on a few essential things. If the FBI is watching you for a suspected terrorist link, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. And you shouldn’t be able to exploit loopholes and evade criminal background checks by buying online or at a gun show. And yes, if you’re too dangerous to get on a plane, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in America. Now, I know some will say that assault weapons and background checks are totally separate issues having nothing to do with terrorism. Well, in Orlando and San Bernardino terrorists used assault weapons, the AR-15. And they used it to kill Americans. That was the same assault weapon used to kill those little children in Sandy Hook.

The truth is that neither one of the guns used (not an AR-15 but a Sig Sauer MCX rifle and a Glock 17 pistol) are “assault weapons” and most definitely not “weapons of war”. If by “assault weapon” (an apparent translation of the German Sturmgewehr) you refer to a weapon used in a military assault, it has to be a weapon capable of full-auto fire (as indicated by the Russian term avtomat). In Orlando only the cops had real weapons of war, full auto capable “assault weapons, not Mateen, and yet it did not seem to help them very much. As for the so-called “loopholes” of buying online or a gunshows, not only are those a myth, but neither of these apply to the case of Mateen who legally purchased his guns in a store, with background check and all.

But that’s just Hillary treating us all like ignorant idiots.

The scary part is that Hillary is now proposing a totally arbitrary system of denying 2nd Amendment rights to Americans based on the notorious “no fly” list. If that is not yet another frontal assault on our basic civil rights, I don’t know what is!

Conclusion

As I mentioned it yesterday – terrorism is really an illusion. For one thing, I am unaware of any form of real terrorism which is not sponsored by at least one, or several, government(s). Furthermore, the actual atrocity, no matter how horrible, is just a trigger for the much more important assault on our minds. You could say that the point of terrorism is not to kill people, it is to make us all stupid. As soon as you understand that you will immediately realize that from the point of view of this logic, the 50 people murdered in Orlando were really only “collateral damage” but that we all are the real targets of this assault. But it is up to us to accept to be the victims of this attack on our minds, or to reject it and refuse to think about it along the narrow confines placed upon us by the “one-way mental blocks” our 1% rulers are trying to place on us. In fact, the only meaningful way to defeat terrorism is to refuse to think in the manner terrorist events are designed to make us think.

The people murdered in Orlando had no choice as to be the victims of this latest “mass shooting”. We do. And I think that rather than hold hands, sob and engage in all the rest of the idiotic behavior so many people engage in after such an event, the best thing we can do to honor the memory of those murdered is to refuse to buy into all the nonsense and lies surrounding this atrocity.

 
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  1. And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”.

    I don’t know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    In any case Afghanistan is pretty homo. Its just that those cultures don’t consider it homo when you’re the dominant partner.

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam

    (a) These characters aren’t known to be particularly bright.

    (b) The really sharp sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi’ites only came to the fore in the 2000s. The older generation of jihadis placed much less emphasis on them. Omar Mateen could have sympathized more with that position.

    As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.

    Any possible reason an “clear nutcase” would not be investigated?

    … what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)

    He wasn’t a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    Though being bi would arguably make a psychosexual explanation more likely more likely:

    The overall pattern is consistent with the view that gay men tend to be psychologically like women, while lesbians are like men. Some of this could be due to the level of exposure to prenatal testosterone. Bisexuals in some ways seem hyper-masculine; turned on by anything that moves.

    .

    Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet… Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.

    Well it takes time for SWAT to arrive. The explanation for the high k/d ratio seems to be a lot more banal:

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    [barricaded the only free exit]

    Homos just cannot learn to keep exits clear.
    , @Rehmat
    You cannot buy it dude because it's not marketed by CNN, Fox News, BCC or any other Jewish controlled mainstream media - because gay right movement is JEWISH, and their Vatican is Tel Aviv.

    ISIS/ISIL, a bogey like Al-Qaeda is created by the CIA, Mossad, and MI6 to destroy any future military resistance to the Zionist entity. It's members including White Christian mercenaries have nothing to do with Islam.

    Lebanese Islamic resistance movement Hizbullah is based on Islamic tenets, and is supported by a large Christian minority since its victory against the 33,000 invading Jewish army in July 2006. Hizbullah is the only Arab militia which had defeated Israeli army twice - in 2000 and 2006 - an act no regular Arab army had the guts to perform.

    The Zionist regime is licking its wound even after 10 years.

    On Tuesday, Maj. Gen. Yitzhak Gershon, former Israel Occupation Force (IOF) Home Front Commander during the Summer 2006 attack on Lebanon, in an interview with Army Radio warned the new Israeli defense minister and head of extremist Russian Jewish settlers’ Yisrael Beiteinu party, Avigdor Lieberman, that Israeli Jews must be mentally prepared for being hit by 1,200 Hizbullah rockets per day during next war with Hizbullah.

    “In 2006 war Hizbullah fired 160 rockets per day at the northern region, we expect to receive 1,200 rockets per day in a new war with Hizbullah – it will be a completely different scenario from anything we have known,” he said.

    “We will need mental fortitude more than physical protection,” added Gershon who now commands the IOF’s reservist northern region emergency division.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/15/israel-fears-1200-hizbullah-rockets-per-day/
    , @Marcus
    James Howell is also homosexual http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/06/13/james-wesley-howells-ex-boyfriend-didnt-surprise-me-all/85836328/
    , @Stephen R. Diamond

    He wasn’t a homosexual. He was at most bi.
     
    I think he was a homosexual. He preferred (to try to have) sexual relations with males despite the availability of a female. He persisted despite sustained rejection. [Also, the base rates give bisexuality a low prior.]

    But he doesn't seem to have been a highly conflicted homosexual, like the narrative pretends. If he were defending against his homosexuality, he would have loudly proclaimed that he was attacking his targets because of their orientation. Instead, he used the most noble-sounding terrorist excuse - stop bombing my people. He was rationalization his rage at his sexual rejection.

    , @Rabbitnexus
    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism. It is EXACTLY as the article stated, it is the most ludicrous and impossible position to assert support for ANY Shia group and even a moderatly pious let alone extremist Sunni group. Takfiris which is what ISIS are, are in another galaxy again there as they are extremist Wahhabis and previous to them, nobody hated Shias and had caused us greater suffering than their Satanic sect. For the record, Wahhabism was rejected more than 100 years ago by all five schools of Islamic thought, as Kharajites, meaning NOT OF US and it is irrevocable. They owe their existence to Lawrence of Arabia who hauled them away from a deserved death and installed them along with the recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud and his clan of cutthroat sand pirates and slave traders. Protocol around Mecca and Medina stays the hand of Islam against these devils, so long as they do not block our acces to them. It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today. Our Prophet warned us about them, they are the devils from Najd. The truth about Shia Islam is the opposite of what the m,ajority Sunnis pretend to believe. I am a convert and initially was Sunni by default. I did the research and discovered the truth is not shrouded in mystery it isn't complicated and it is nothing like the majority belief which is nurtured today by the Zionist and Western media which aligns itself with the Sunni majority frankly because they find Sunnis more familiar, due to their tendency to be flexible in their beleifs and thinking and more attuned to men's laws than Allah's. It is Shias who have most precisely and truly adhered to true Islam. They are in fact descended from the family and closest companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Sunnis arose from a deceptive power game which was enacted just before the death of Muhammad (SAW) by an assassin turned convert and who soon became the second Caliph after the death of our beloved Prophet. Shias never deviated from the Quran as it is written whilst Sunnis have repeatedly altered teachings and practices according to the whims of men, such as that second Caliph Umar who as one of his first acts banned a practice of temporary marriages which whilst it seems odd today, had a place then and in Iran today is fascinatingly used to circumvent the very restrictive laws of contact between men and women who are unmarried. It has allowed couples who are engaged to go on dates together and to develop their relationship before marriage in a way Sunnis cannot without breaching Islamic laws. However it does not mean these couple engage in sex, such license isn't even dreamt of, just the chance to move with the times somewhat. The Sunnis instead have since invented another thing called "Travellers Marriage" which is purely used for sexual license. Allah is wisest and His Quran gave us all we needed, even regarding dealing with a future thousands of years hence as now. It is interestingly more possible for Shias to move and evolve in the modern world whilst following Islam than for Sunnis, specifically because of changes Sunnis made to the teachings. It should make people stop and wonder that it is Shia Islam which our corrupt and incompetent leadership in the West persistently assaults and undermines. This is simply because Shias as True Muslims will never assimilate with the West. Believe it or not, despite current appearances, the Sunnis will and are.

    I have issues with the rest of what you wrote, I disagree in shjort with your entire comment, you worked hard on it but it is factually lacking. You reject some evidnece which has the best of provenance but it appears that is because you actually haven't been following things very closely. However my main point was to make clear your comments about why the article is wrong on Islamic matters is totally false and needs to be corrected for the sake of truth.

    I might add as an aside to your remark about Afghanistanis and what are termed "Bakaa Bereesh" or dancing boys, that you are somewhat correct in that certain tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan does see a fair bit of this, it is entrenched although things are startung to change. My own assumption from the outset, when I merely guessed Mateen was gay from his "vamping" in his selfies, was that the father being connected to the levels of power that he is, would be a prime candidate for using such services as "dancing boys" provide and by merely applying assumptions based on humanity and a long life so far, rather than some Islamic interpretation; that the father had probably abused the son. That would answer why the son was actually gay and not just a "boy b@ggerer" as these creeps somehow manage to make mean they're not gay just tough men. Also why the father might have personal reasons, besides possible conflicting roles, to paint a different picture of things too.
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  2. I had the same essential theory about the role of his homosexuality at http://www.unz.com/isteve/trumps-luck-media-discover-muslim-in-america-who-celebrated-911-omar-mateen/#comment-1454309

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  3. Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

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    the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
     
    Which was provoked by America.

    Just how self-hating gays only hate themselves because of straight people hating gays.

    The answer is always America.
    , @The Alarmist

    "Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."
     
    Specifically attributable to the actions of a young, camera-toting KGB agent now known as Vladimir Putin, but who was known far and wide throughout the land of Afghanistan as Vlad the Terrible.
    , @Seraphim
    Rather, 'Putin did it'!
    , @Oscar Peterson

    "Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."

     

    Not if Julia Ioffe, Lilia Shevtsova, or one of a half dozen other Gessen clones beats her to it!
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  4. I’d link to my blog post but I have not written it yet. The two key points. The USA kills dozens of Afghans every week.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/12/al-qaeda-leader-appears-to-pledge-allegiance-to-taliban-in-afghanistan.html

    “The results have been daunting: The U.N. says 3,545 Afghan civilians were killed and 7,457 wounded in 2015, most of them by the Taliban.”

    Most, but still,lots of Afghans are killed by American bombs each week and no one in the USA gives a damn. Perhaps someone whose parents are from Afghanistan was bothered. And there is some hidden news of that:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/witness-fla-gunman-attacked-to-get-us-to-stop-bombing-his-country-1.414615

    “Witness: Fla. gunman attacked to get US ‘to stop bombing his country’”

    Recall the recent murder of dozens of Afghans in a hospital in Kunduz by American airmen, and just last week kindly Obama said he would allow more American bombing/killing. But one must come to this website to read what is obvious. Our corporate media would never dare hint that our endless and pointless slaughter of innocent Afghans might provoke an American of Afghan descent to retaliate.

    Let’s blame gun shops instead! The Empire commits no sins. Perhaps we should lock up American Afghans, as liberal icon Roosevelt did to innocent Japanese-Americans in WWII. Or maybe we should just order our troops home, as every invader of Afghanistan has done.

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    FDR didn't lock up Nippo-Americans to protect us from them. He did it to protect them from us-- once he'd whipped up the war fever himself. Any resulting massacres on the West Coast would be a stain on his legacy, though, and to him legacy was everything.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Bring our troops and drones home from Muslim countries AND exclude admitted Muslims (and anyone from a country with Muslim majority) from Western lands.
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  5. Art says:

    Why did it take 3 hours for the cops to go into the bar — really — 3 hours?????

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    bar — really — 3 hours?????
     
    Maybe their boots got stuck in the dried semen?
    , @Art

    dailymail.co.uk

    Did a delay in response give the gunman more time?

    Cops face questions over why it took three hours for SWAT teams to storm Orlando nightclub as police chief admits officers may have shot some of the VICTIMS

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639596/Did-delay-police-response-shooter-time.html
     
    Hmm - London paper.

    Hmm - where are US papers on this?

    Hmm - would it be anti-Semitic to ask our resident Jews why their news outlets are not reporting this? (88 Nazi to iffen)
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  6. George123 says:

    Agreed.

    It seems obvious that this massacre is a product of the alienation proceduced by American society. Americans increasingly can’t take living in a heartless society where being an asshole is lauded (being a type A personality!), everyone cares only for money, and deceit and manipulation are necessary for success.

    Have you read “Going Postal” by Mark Ames?

    Ames points out that random massacres began increasing during the Regan years – completely unsurprising.

    America is a hostile battleground – the atmosphere of casual hostility and aggression is pervasive and palpable.

    Feminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean because they imagine these qualities to be quintessentially masculine (they are too stupid to realize that they have erected as their shining ideal a grotesque distortion of traditional masculinity. Its as if having competing visions of masculinity to choose from, they chose the masculinity of the gutter, and ignored that of the upper classes. Naturally)

    In response to this, many men today erect a mirror philosophy celebrating gutter masculinity in the form of “game” which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.

    And yet all this is merely the logical culmination- the working out over the course of time – of the principles America was founded on. Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to “get ahead” and step on the other person.

    And we are surprised some people snap? Its only going to get worse.

    As Freud said, America the individualistic “proposition nation” – i.e a nation based not on community but greed, hustling, competition, materialism – was a mistake from tje begining.

    It was said long ago by someone that “man cannot live by bread slone”. Yet that is exactly what America, alone among nations, has tried to do, for tje first time in history. That is the American “experimemt”. That is American “exveptionalism”.

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    [Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to “get ahead” and step on the other person.]

    Not science, a noble pursuit. Yes, a stupid fetishization and idolization of "technology" at the expense of honesty, purpose and understanding.
    , @PortersFavTroll
    While you are bashing White America, and that is what you are doing, a little proof reading, like a little tooth brushing, would go a long way.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Your comment is spot-on. I agree completely.
    , @Forbes

    in the form of “game” which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.
     
    Well, 'game' is based on some timeless truths, e.g. what attracts women, what engages women, what keeps women. What's changed are the rules of the mating game--so yes, it speaks to the "phenomena...of the condition of modern America.

    If, as you say, "[f]eminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean", then that is the reality (or a close approximation) that (young) men have to deal with.

    Here's a clue: Chivalry is a two-way street. When women no longer behave/respond in the manner expected under chivalry, there is no longer a reason for men to perform chivalrously. The White Knight pedestalizing a woman doesn't work anymore--he's a chump, and she knows it.

    Stomping your feet because the social mores have changed is not an answer.
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  7. 5371 says:
    @George123
    Agreed.

    It seems obvious that this massacre is a product of the alienation proceduced by American society. Americans increasingly can't take living in a heartless society where being an asshole is lauded (being a type A personality!), everyone cares only for money, and deceit and manipulation are necessary for success.

    Have you read "Going Postal" by Mark Ames?

    Ames points out that random massacres began increasing during the Regan years - completely unsurprising.

    America is a hostile battleground - the atmosphere of casual hostility and aggression is pervasive and palpable.

    Feminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean because they imagine these qualities to be quintessentially masculine (they are too stupid to realize that they have erected as their shining ideal a grotesque distortion of traditional masculinity. Its as if having competing visions of masculinity to choose from, they chose the masculinity of the gutter, and ignored that of the upper classes. Naturally)

    In response to this, many men today erect a mirror philosophy celebrating gutter masculinity in the form of "game" which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.

    And yet all this is merely the logical culmination- the working out over the course of time - of the principles America was founded on. Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to "get ahead" and step on the other person.

    And we are surprised some people snap? Its only going to get worse.

    As Freud said, America the individualistic "proposition nation" - i.e a nation based not on community but greed, hustling, competition, materialism - was a mistake from tje begining.

    It was said long ago by someone that "man cannot live by bread slone". Yet that is exactly what America, alone among nations, has tried to do, for tje first time in history. That is the American "experimemt". That is American "exveptionalism".

    [Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to “get ahead” and step on the other person.]

    Not science, a noble pursuit. Yes, a stupid fetishization and idolization of “technology” at the expense of honesty, purpose and understanding.

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  8. It didn’t take the cops 3 hours to go into the bar. It took the bureaucrats who have to give clearance in a hostage situation that long to give them the go-ahead.

    Facts are your friend.

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    There's a chain of command. A Police chain of command. They have operational control and responsibility. No whining. For 3 hours the cops did nothing and that is inexcusable. Discipline. Firing. Charges. Failure of duty. Assuming this is a law-abiding professional police force.
    , @SteveRogers42
    In my state, the response protocol to an active shooter situation is for the first four patrol officers on scene to form a "go" team and immediately enter the building and actively seek out and engage the shooter(s). The Incident Command System establishes an incident commander (typically an on-duty shift Sgt.) who then takes responsibility for directing the other assets as they arrive. There was no need for clearance from the Admin. It was my understanding that this doctrine was pretty much the national standard of practice. Guess not.

    This protocol arose after Columbine, where there was a long delay between the initial killings, the arrival of SWAT, and the eventual deployment of SWAT. Even a full-time dedicated SWAT team takes time to arrive, assemble, and gear up, by which time most active shooter incidents are long over, hence the adoption of an immediate response plan by patrol. Outside of major cities, most departments don't have a full-time SWAT team, and the response time (and level of training) of these part-time SWAT officers is significantly different from that of a dedicated team.

    Once the "go" team(s) have entered the building, if the shooting has stopped and the shooter is holed up in a defensible position (with or without hostages) the patrol officers are directed NOT to continue to engage, but instead to form a perimeter inside the building to contain the suspect to the smallest possible area and wait for SWAT and the negotiator element to arrive. So the response varies depending on the suspect's actions. Is he actively shooting people or is he holding hostages in a static situation and looking to talk? Police response is dictated by suspect's actions.

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  9. 5371 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”.
     
    I don't know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    In any case Afghanistan is pretty homo. Its just that those cultures don't consider it homo when you're the dominant partner.

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam
     
    (a) These characters aren't known to be particularly bright.

    (b) The really sharp sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites only came to the fore in the 2000s. The older generation of jihadis placed much less emphasis on them. Omar Mateen could have sympathized more with that position.

    As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.
     
    Any possible reason an "clear nutcase" would not be investigated?

    ... what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)
     
    He wasn't a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    Though being bi would arguably make a psychosexual explanation more likely more likely:

    The overall pattern is consistent with the view that gay men tend to be psychologically like women, while lesbians are like men. Some of this could be due to the level of exposure to prenatal testosterone. Bisexuals in some ways seem hyper-masculine; turned on by anything that moves.
     
    .

    Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet... Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.
     
    Well it takes time for SWAT to arrive. The explanation for the high k/d ratio seems to be a lot more banal:

    https://twitter.com/Third_Position/status/742156880928067584

    [barricaded the only free exit]

    Homos just cannot learn to keep exits clear.

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    LMAO!
    BTW did anyone watch Anderson Cooper yesterday? He was atttacking Kim Bondi, FL AG, for not tweeting congratulations to homosexuals on gay pride day. Man was positively indignant, and taking her to task for failing to perform the compulsory ritual!
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  10. While I understand that this Saker person is a Russophile, comparing what was a hostage situation in Russia with this incident in Orlando – where the killer simply went on a killing spree – is silly.

    By the time the SWAT arrived, most of the killing had already been carried out. SWAT’s don’t have access to time machines. Even American SWAT teams.

    At any rate, if homos weren’t so dang girly, some of them might have had a CCW and been able to end Omar’s party a little early.

    Facts are your friend.

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    Nice try at sticking up for the totally incompetent, steroid laden, psycho American SWAT teams, too bad it won't work. As usual, SWAT showed their complete incompetent in this instance as they do every time they roll out. It is well beyond time to disband 99% of SWAT teams in this country.

    Perhaps you should do a little research before you post such utter claptrap, but in Florida, as in most States, it is illegal to carry a firearm in an establishment that serves alcohol.
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  11. To say that this incident has nothing to do with Islam because the guy wasn’t doctrinally sound is poor logic. It doesn’t matter if he’s murky on the inter-tribal squabbles. What matters is where he found the root of his world view.

    And if he supported both what ISIS is doing and what Hezbollah is doing, well, that would explain his statement of solidarity.

    His high school friends have told of how he was celebratory on the day of 9/11. Why fight the fact that yet another Muzzy has reminded us yet again that not a single one of them belong in any Western country.

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    Hezbollah and IsUS are mortal enemies.Hezbollah are the good guys,by far.In fact they are much better than US,they mind their own business,while we f*ck with people all over the world.
    And I have no idea why the Saker thinks the HellBitch will be victorious in Nov.No way,Jose.
    And anyone who doesn't believe that this was your typical blowback,(with possible homosexual self hatred angle?)they need their head examined.
    The world in flames,all due to people like the HB,and America is awakened.
    Yankee come home.
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  12. @Carlton Meyer
    I'd link to my blog post but I have not written it yet. The two key points. The USA kills dozens of Afghans every week.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/12/al-qaeda-leader-appears-to-pledge-allegiance-to-taliban-in-afghanistan.html

    "The results have been daunting: The U.N. says 3,545 Afghan civilians were killed and 7,457 wounded in 2015, most of them by the Taliban."

    Most, but still,lots of Afghans are killed by American bombs each week and no one in the USA gives a damn. Perhaps someone whose parents are from Afghanistan was bothered. And there is some hidden news of that:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/witness-fla-gunman-attacked-to-get-us-to-stop-bombing-his-country-1.414615

    "Witness: Fla. gunman attacked to get US 'to stop bombing his country'"

    Recall the recent murder of dozens of Afghans in a hospital in Kunduz by American airmen, and just last week kindly Obama said he would allow more American bombing/killing. But one must come to this website to read what is obvious. Our corporate media would never dare hint that our endless and pointless slaughter of innocent Afghans might provoke an American of Afghan descent to retaliate.

    Let's blame gun shops instead! The Empire commits no sins. Perhaps we should lock up American Afghans, as liberal icon Roosevelt did to innocent Japanese-Americans in WWII. Or maybe we should just order our troops home, as every invader of Afghanistan has done.

    FDR didn’t lock up Nippo-Americans to protect us from them. He did it to protect them from us– once he’d whipped up the war fever himself. Any resulting massacres on the West Coast would be a stain on his legacy, though, and to him legacy was everything.

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  13. @Art
    Why did it take 3 hours for the cops to go into the bar --- really --- 3 hours?????

    bar — really — 3 hours?????

    Maybe their boots got stuck in the dried semen?

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    LOL! *Ssshhhhhluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurk* !!
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  14. The question one needs to ask (given nothing is proved yet) is: what does the media WANT you to think? Does the media want you to think this guy was a motivated jihadist? Or does the media want you to think that he was a closeted homosexual with psychological problems?

    I think the media doesn’t want you to go the jihadist route. Because that leads to TRUMP.

    If the media pushes the second possibility really hard: this means more “sensitivity” training beating up normal white people for showing more sensitivity to homos, and what the media has wanted for a long time: more GUN CONTROL. This also avoid talking about immigration and Islam entirely. Perfect.

    Now I will leave all intelligent people to figure out what is really going on.

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  15. Kiza says:

    Yes, just like Saker, I also noticed that FBI claimed that the supposed shooter vouched fidelity to both ISIS and Hamas, which are deadly enemies of each other. Unlike Saker, I associate this angle with the stupidity of FBI and/or narrative creators about the supposed shooter.

    But let us step back for a moment and consider what proof is available that this tragic event ever really happened: http://www.unz.com/proberts/orlando-shooting-still-no-evidence/#comment-1454423.

    I do not consider it out of the realm of the possible that the whole thing was an invention, although I am not claiming that it is an invention. What about the possibility that the multi-angle mass shooting could be a cut-price set up in a recessed economy (three for the price of one):
    1) muslim (more money for the wars in ME),
    2) gay (promotion in the new domains),
    3) gun-nut (disarm the population).
    The multi-angle approach could give political ammunition to the enemies of any of the three. The same regime has done some much worse set ups than inventing the shooting of 104 innocent people.

    I do note that what is claimed to have transpired fits almost perfectly the agenda of the ‘Democrats’, such as Obama and Hillary, although the anti-Muslim outrage could also propel Trump.

    But maybe it is all just a coincidence and this vile crime really happened as described in the MSM.

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    Have the crisis actors been involved again? In the following live Faux News segment, please turn the sound off and watch what happens with the supposedly wounded man in the red shoes being carried by three guys: https://youtu.be/c3IV9wuXID0.

    Yes, they drop the man supposedly wounded in the leg to walk on the ground, he continues walking, shoves one of his carriers who laughs.

    Please note that all later, edited news coverage excludes this end scene of carriage, it switches over to police vehicles.

    Really stinky stuff, don't you think!
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  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Once again the Faker shows the limits of his brand of “analysis”. His Islam section is riddled with misunderstanding and/or deliberate obtuseness.

    It gets better. While most of us have now heard that Omar Mateen was a Muslim and that he had pledged allegiance to Daesh. It now turns out that he did pledged allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah!

    No he didn’t. The faker must not understand english well enough since that’s not at all what the NYT article says.

    “First he claimed family connections to Al Qaeda,” which, like the Islamic State, is a Sunni Muslim terrorist group, James Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. “He also said he was a member of Hezbollah,” a Shiite group in conflict with Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

    “He said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so that he could martyr himself,” Mr. Comey said.

    That someone would be a member of both Hezbollah and AQ is somewhat surprising. But that is clearly not what was going on Omar’s mind. He was clearly desperate to provoke a raid on his house.

    The Faker then digs his hole deeper:

    It might be useful to repeat here that while nominally both ISIS and Hezbollah are “Muslim”, the ISIS Takfiris consider Shia as kufars, as apostates, who betrayed true Islam and turned to idolatry. They also consider them “Iranian agents”. As for Hezbollah, they are The Number One (all in caps) enemy of Daesh/ISIS gang and they refer to these Takfiri maniacs as “devils” (shaitan).

    This is clearly an effort to make Hezbollah look better since the Faker’s paymasters have a chummy relationship with them. In the long run, Sunnis and Shias are no more different from one another than Maoists are from Leninists. Don’t delude yourself

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

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    This is clearly an effort to make Hezbollah look better since the Faker’s paymasters have a chummy relationship with them. In the long run, Sunnis and Shias are no more different from one another than Maoists are from Leninists. Don’t delude yourself

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings
     

    An attack on a military target in a war zone. And Shia are tolerant of minorities compared to Sunni, Christians in Lebanon, Iran, and Syria have full rights.
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  17. @George123
    Agreed.

    It seems obvious that this massacre is a product of the alienation proceduced by American society. Americans increasingly can't take living in a heartless society where being an asshole is lauded (being a type A personality!), everyone cares only for money, and deceit and manipulation are necessary for success.

    Have you read "Going Postal" by Mark Ames?

    Ames points out that random massacres began increasing during the Regan years - completely unsurprising.

    America is a hostile battleground - the atmosphere of casual hostility and aggression is pervasive and palpable.

    Feminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean because they imagine these qualities to be quintessentially masculine (they are too stupid to realize that they have erected as their shining ideal a grotesque distortion of traditional masculinity. Its as if having competing visions of masculinity to choose from, they chose the masculinity of the gutter, and ignored that of the upper classes. Naturally)

    In response to this, many men today erect a mirror philosophy celebrating gutter masculinity in the form of "game" which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.

    And yet all this is merely the logical culmination- the working out over the course of time - of the principles America was founded on. Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to "get ahead" and step on the other person.

    And we are surprised some people snap? Its only going to get worse.

    As Freud said, America the individualistic "proposition nation" - i.e a nation based not on community but greed, hustling, competition, materialism - was a mistake from tje begining.

    It was said long ago by someone that "man cannot live by bread slone". Yet that is exactly what America, alone among nations, has tried to do, for tje first time in history. That is the American "experimemt". That is American "exveptionalism".

    While you are bashing White America, and that is what you are doing, a little proof reading, like a little tooth brushing, would go a long way.

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  18. Randal says:

    While most of us have now heard that Omar Mateen was a Muslim and that he had pledged allegiance to Daesh. It now turns out that he did pledged allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah! It might be useful to repeat here that while nominally both ISIS and Hezbollah are “Muslim”, the ISIS Takfiris consider Shia as kufars, as apostates, who betrayed true Islam and turned to idolatry. They also consider them “Iranian agents”. As for Hezbollah, they are The Number One (all in caps) enemy of Daesh/ISIS gang and they refer to these Takfiri maniacs as “devils” (shaitan).

    No, this argument doesn’t fly. The current stark division between sunni and shia is relatively recent, as a widespread popular issue, and many sunni muslims admired Hezbollah for its general competence and its perceived success in fighting Israel and in standing up to the US sphere. It’s entirely understandable that a sunni muslim, especially one living in the west and whose primary concerns were in Afghanistan rather than in Syria and the core ME, and in opposition to the US sphere rather than to Iran, would take this stance.

    Here are a couple of quotes that imo probably cast more light on Mateen’s likely motivations (I’ve added the bold):

    When I saw his picture on the news, I thought, of course, he did that,” fellow security guard Eric Baumer told Newsday. “He had bad things to say about everybody—blacks, Jews, gays, a lot of politicians, our soldiers. He had a lot of hate in him. He told me America destroyed Afghanistan.”

    and:

    “We heard him talking to 911 saying the reason why he’s doing this is because he wants Americans to stop bombing his country,” said Patience Carter, a survivor of Sunday’s shootings.

    Carter, who was among several patrons Mateen held hostage after they’d tried to take refuge in a club bathroom, told a news conference Tuesday that Mateen asked if there were any African Americans in the bathroom. When one man answered yes, “the gunman responded back to him saying, ‘You know, I don’t have a problem with black people. This is about my country. You guys have suffered enough.’ “”

    My feeling is the FBI should be talking to Steve Sailer about his recent movements and contacts in Florida. This case is so perfectly an illustration of the perils of uncontrolled immigration, especially combined with murderous military intervention in their countries, that it must surely have been deliberately set up to illustrate his “invade the world and invite the world” point.

    [Is it still ok to make jokes like that in the US? I'd feel awful if I heard that Steve had been visited by the Feds or disappeared to some gulag for the politically incorrect as a result of it.]

    I’m not buying the homosexuality claims either, to be honest. Far too convenient for the homosexualist lobbies and their “closet homo” nonsense, and also for other interest groups, and based upon far too little plausible evidence.

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  19. vinteuil says:

    OK, so this guy has at different times expressed solidarity with different & conflicting Islamic militant groups. The obvious conclusion to draw is that he wasn’t too bright or too well informed. But how does it follow that we shouldn’t take him at his own word: i.e., that he was mad about U.S. bombing of “his country” – i.e., Afghanistan? What’s so implausible about that?

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  20. To me, the most likely hypothesis is that Omar was just a patsy. The real shooting was probably done by other people.

    The likelihood of so many agendas or talking points dovetailing in an organic event is extremely low: Afghanistan, Islam, ISIS, how much we all love gays…

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    It appears that at least some of the victims have been shot by the SWAT team, as one would expect in any hostage situation. This could then explain the high killing and wounding score, which would otherwise suggest multiple shooters, no matter what kind of automatic weapon the shooter had.

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said: “I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation, but I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”
     
    Just imagine the logic of the police chief's statement: the gunman shot at them so they kept shooting back, damn the hostages. Any normal person would assume that the police have no reason to shoot back as long as the perpetrator is shooting at them (highly protected with all kinds of armor), they should shoot only if the perpetrator was shooting at the unarmed and unprotected hostages. The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.
    , @Druid
    Makes sense. Too neat a package for those with agendas!
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  21. Mr. Turdy says:

    It’s first time I am a bit disappointed by the Saker. It’s not I’m disagree (in fact, I really do not in most of the matter, not to say practically all), it’s he falls short. For instance, as he knows quite well, self-hate is another way of -phobia. The very first -phobia indeed. In fact homophobia is real, and it’s most exercised against the homosexuals themselves by themselves. The same can be said about Ukranians, afro-what-you-want, even zionists, it happens up and down, everywhere. If you brainwashes a human being in order to make him believe he is an abnormal and a despicable person, the result hardly could be different from all this stuff.

    Of course the system ever tries (and gets, most of the time) to yield advantage of all it can, but this is a more clear phenomenon: survival.

    But this problem is more complex than all this. The pure fact is that the US, which are on the cutting edge of the World-System (decaying but still standing) has problems of mass murder, in a way and with a frequency significatively higher and larger than comparable states (yes, I suppose they are lower than Roman Civil Wars or so).

    It is not a simple issue. Not as simple as the article pretends. And no one is out of danger, now or in the future. In fact, it is foreseeable that since the living standards in the US go on decaying, the violence will grow.

    Humans can get almost all, but time.

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    [For instance, as he knows quite well, self-hate is another way of -phobia]

    No doubt by voluntarily choosing the username Mr. Turdy you meant to establish yourself as an expert on self-hate.
    , @Konga
    I am not, Mr Turdy. The Saker is a thinker, tries to see from the all. And everytime he's an eye-opener to us, while the people who comment chose a field and try to convince us they're right. Most of the points touched here by The Saker are worth thinking about. He makes us think, you want us to believe - that's the difference.
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  22. “THE TRUTH is… anything you agree with and FAITH makes it all possible”. from FAITH: The Human O.S. more https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/faith-the-human-o-s/

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  23. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    I am not grieving over the fact that one demographic of the Democratic Party Voting Bloc slaughtered another demographic of the Democratic Party Voting Bloc. I really don’t care…why should I?

    Let’s suppose Hillary Clinton was right that this was an ISIS attack. Simple solution:ban all Muslim immigration. The statement that we have to be there or they will come here is the big lie that W uttered on national tv 12 years ago.

    Why are Muslims being legally imported into the US?

    Answer:So they can vote Whitey into a violently persecuted racial minority on Nov 8 2016. It is no more complicated than this.

    The slaughter in Orlando will be used as an excuse to homo norm Native Born Conservative White Christian Americans with a scale of brutality and nastiness that we yet to see. The White Christian Bakers will face nonstop requests for gay wedding cakes. The homos however, will never walk into a Pakistani Muslim Bakery in Detroit and make a request for a gay wedding cake. Post-Orlando slaughter, Muslim “Americans” will still get a free pass on their homophobia by the homos.

    The homos welcomed the Muslims…and they paid the consequences for doing this. Native Born White Christian Americans will continue to be persecuted by Hillary Clinton’s homo voting bloc.

    If ISIS is an existential threat to America why aren’t the White Male Jocks who play NCAA Div 1 Football and Hockey lining up outside the Marine recruiting stations around the country like the did at the outbreak of WW2? Instead we get short fat chubby WFAN sports talk show hosts such as Mike Francessa talking about career choices and how some teenagers have made a career choice to protect us!!!!

    Orlando was another example of very late stage American Empire rot….

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  24. grmbl says:

    Why does Iran (Shia Muslim) fund Hamas (Sunni Muslim)?

    Already your “reasoning” is shot out of the water. They fight each other and they fight side by side against the various “satans”. Biggest block of nations in the UN is the OIC, both Sunni and Shia states together. They always back each other up when it comes to asserting common Muslim objectives.

    A long-time, dedicated Sunni Muslim extremist would not endorse Hezbollah, but this perp had only patchwork indoctrination from various sources (radical preachers at local mosques, Taliban dad, trips to Mecca, internet).

    Perp did the shooting at the very beginning of his assault, then stopped to make his phone calls while holding live hostages. It was reasonable of the police to hold off on entering the nightclub and negotiate for as long as possible.

    We know that one man can shoot that many, Breivik shot and killed more, and his victims were spread out across an island (with the possibility of escape) while Orlando victims were confined in a small space and .223 bullets can easily penetrate more than one human body.

    Hatred of gays had been inculcated in him by his gay-hating Taliban-supporting father and the teachings of Islam. Initially heterosexual, he later gave in to his homosexual cravings, for which he hated himself and the shameless infidel homosexuals that seduced him. He then decided to kill as many of them as he could, hoping to purify himself and be accepted by Allah in the afterlife as a shahid. The call by Islamic State just before the start of Ramadan to kill as many infidels as possible gave the final push.

    Nothing mysterious about this case.

    Your article is worthless.

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  25. Interesting putting together of some points that make one think. “Terrorism” doesn’t sound like an accurate and informative description. But the Islamic element isn’t negated by his being no kind of scholar of Islam. Cf. some simple minded Christian who shoots up an abortion clinic.

    Doesn’t it make sense that this very disturbed guy was made to feel very guilty snd worthless by what he did know of Islamic teaching and that he was looking for some kind of salvation by sacrificing himself the way he did.

    That would be some reason to say the US is better off with no more Muslims save a select few.

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  26. Dear Saker, nice job. What a contrast and fine antidote to Mr Buchanan’s shameful Muslim bashing, knee jerk, trigger happy, shoot-from-the-hip piece a few days ago.

    Thank you.

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  27. Rehmat says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”.
     
    I don't know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    In any case Afghanistan is pretty homo. Its just that those cultures don't consider it homo when you're the dominant partner.

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam
     
    (a) These characters aren't known to be particularly bright.

    (b) The really sharp sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites only came to the fore in the 2000s. The older generation of jihadis placed much less emphasis on them. Omar Mateen could have sympathized more with that position.

    As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.
     
    Any possible reason an "clear nutcase" would not be investigated?

    ... what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)
     
    He wasn't a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    Though being bi would arguably make a psychosexual explanation more likely more likely:

    The overall pattern is consistent with the view that gay men tend to be psychologically like women, while lesbians are like men. Some of this could be due to the level of exposure to prenatal testosterone. Bisexuals in some ways seem hyper-masculine; turned on by anything that moves.
     
    .

    Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet... Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.
     
    Well it takes time for SWAT to arrive. The explanation for the high k/d ratio seems to be a lot more banal:

    https://twitter.com/Third_Position/status/742156880928067584

    You cannot buy it dude because it’s not marketed by CNN, Fox News, BCC or any other Jewish controlled mainstream media – because gay right movement is JEWISH, and their Vatican is Tel Aviv.

    ISIS/ISIL, a bogey like Al-Qaeda is created by the CIA, Mossad, and MI6 to destroy any future military resistance to the Zionist entity. It’s members including White Christian mercenaries have nothing to do with Islam.

    Lebanese Islamic resistance movement Hizbullah is based on Islamic tenets, and is supported by a large Christian minority since its victory against the 33,000 invading Jewish army in July 2006. Hizbullah is the only Arab militia which had defeated Israeli army twice – in 2000 and 2006 – an act no regular Arab army had the guts to perform.

    The Zionist regime is licking its wound even after 10 years.

    On Tuesday, Maj. Gen. Yitzhak Gershon, former Israel Occupation Force (IOF) Home Front Commander during the Summer 2006 attack on Lebanon, in an interview with Army Radio warned the new Israeli defense minister and head of extremist Russian Jewish settlers’ Yisrael Beiteinu party, Avigdor Lieberman, that Israeli Jews must be mentally prepared for being hit by 1,200 Hizbullah rockets per day during next war with Hizbullah.

    “In 2006 war Hizbullah fired 160 rockets per day at the northern region, we expect to receive 1,200 rockets per day in a new war with Hizbullah – it will be a completely different scenario from anything we have known,” he said.

    “We will need mental fortitude more than physical protection,” added Gershon who now commands the IOF’s reservist northern region emergency division.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/15/israel-fears-1200-hizbullah-rockets-per-day/

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  28. 5371 says:
    @Mr. Turdy
    It's first time I am a bit disappointed by the Saker. It's not I'm disagree (in fact, I really do not in most of the matter, not to say practically all), it's he falls short. For instance, as he knows quite well, self-hate is another way of -phobia. The very first -phobia indeed. In fact homophobia is real, and it's most exercised against the homosexuals themselves by themselves. The same can be said about Ukranians, afro-what-you-want, even zionists, it happens up and down, everywhere. If you brainwashes a human being in order to make him believe he is an abnormal and a despicable person, the result hardly could be different from all this stuff.

    Of course the system ever tries (and gets, most of the time) to yield advantage of all it can, but this is a more clear phenomenon: survival.

    But this problem is more complex than all this. The pure fact is that the US, which are on the cutting edge of the World-System (decaying but still standing) has problems of mass murder, in a way and with a frequency significatively higher and larger than comparable states (yes, I suppose they are lower than Roman Civil Wars or so).

    It is not a simple issue. Not as simple as the article pretends. And no one is out of danger, now or in the future. In fact, it is foreseeable that since the living standards in the US go on decaying, the violence will grow.

    Humans can get almost all, but time.

    [For instance, as he knows quite well, self-hate is another way of -phobia]

    No doubt by voluntarily choosing the username Mr. Turdy you meant to establish yourself as an expert on self-hate.

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    Not at all. If you think carefully, you reach the conclusion that the largest contribution of every human being all over this planet are their turds, not to mention the CO2. We are 7.0 billion or so now, so we produce a pretty lot of them. And as you know, basically all of them (turds I mean) are the same, in despite of you eat or you don't pork or you believe in Jucheism or the Founding Fathers.
    We all belong to the Great Turd Fraternity/Sorority. Not my fault, it was all working in such a way when I arrived (and it will be when I go out).
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  29. This affair already has a bad smell. In a news conference yesterday one of the injured referred to the sound of shotguns (plural) which implies more than one shooter. This would correlate with reports of eye witnesses who mentioned more than one shooter, being ignored or cut off by the news media.

    Another nugget that came out of the press conferences was that only 2 weeks before the hospital had run a training exercise handling victims of a major shooting incident. Well fancy that? Remind anybody of anything (like 7/7 for example).

    Apart from the sheer improbability of one untrained person killing and injuring over 100 people with an AR-15, we also have him taking a time out to call the police and claim responsibility on behalf of IS. Except that after 12 hours when that seemed only to benefit Donald J Trump, the President decided there was no firm link between IS and the shooter and now he is being portrayed as a sad self-hating homosexual.

    Last but not least we have Hilary Clinton who aside from urging on the war effort in Syria and Iraq, suggests the Feds would be better off checking more thoroughly the background of such dangerous would-be shooter instead of no doubt wasting time probing her emails!

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  30. Kiza says:

    I would appreciate it if any of the moronic and/or Hasbara trolls who claim that Hamas/Hezbollah and ISIS cooperate, to give us one example of such cooperation.

    It is so hard to be constantly avoiding the Hasbara pollution of every intelligent debate.

    But I know of at least one big difference between ISIS and Hamas/Hezbollah: the state of Israel supports ISIS and the state of Israel fights Hamas/Hezbollah.

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    You speak of Hasbara trolls while you are one of the most obvious. Good try at deflection! Phil Giraldi is a nice and permissive guy otherwise he would ban you.
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  31. Kiza says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    To me, the most likely hypothesis is that Omar was just a patsy. The real shooting was probably done by other people.

    The likelihood of so many agendas or talking points dovetailing in an organic event is extremely low: Afghanistan, Islam, ISIS, how much we all love gays...

    It appears that at least some of the victims have been shot by the SWAT team, as one would expect in any hostage situation. This could then explain the high killing and wounding score, which would otherwise suggest multiple shooters, no matter what kind of automatic weapon the shooter had.

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said: “I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation, but I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”

    Just imagine the logic of the police chief’s statement: the gunman shot at them so they kept shooting back, damn the hostages. Any normal person would assume that the police have no reason to shoot back as long as the perpetrator is shooting at them (highly protected with all kinds of armor), they should shoot only if the perpetrator was shooting at the unarmed and unprotected hostages. The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.

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    In pretty much all of such operations, killing the patsy is de rigueur. Dead men tell no tales.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    Sure, it's likely that the local constabulary merrily blazed away at anything and everything, without regard for the gunman or innocents. And if that, in fact, is what happened, we'll never know--it'll be deep-sixed.
    , @RaceRealist88

    The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.
     
    This is why there is an IQ cut off for the police force. Don't want people thinking too hard!
    , @Druid
    Concrete wall, my royal tush!
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  32. Njguy73 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Incidentally, I'm waiting for Masha Gessen's article on how the roots of Omar Mateen's rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    Which was provoked by America.

    Just how self-hating gays only hate themselves because of straight people hating gays.

    The answer is always America.

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  33. @George123
    Agreed.

    It seems obvious that this massacre is a product of the alienation proceduced by American society. Americans increasingly can't take living in a heartless society where being an asshole is lauded (being a type A personality!), everyone cares only for money, and deceit and manipulation are necessary for success.

    Have you read "Going Postal" by Mark Ames?

    Ames points out that random massacres began increasing during the Regan years - completely unsurprising.

    America is a hostile battleground - the atmosphere of casual hostility and aggression is pervasive and palpable.

    Feminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean because they imagine these qualities to be quintessentially masculine (they are too stupid to realize that they have erected as their shining ideal a grotesque distortion of traditional masculinity. Its as if having competing visions of masculinity to choose from, they chose the masculinity of the gutter, and ignored that of the upper classes. Naturally)

    In response to this, many men today erect a mirror philosophy celebrating gutter masculinity in the form of "game" which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.

    And yet all this is merely the logical culmination- the working out over the course of time - of the principles America was founded on. Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to "get ahead" and step on the other person.

    And we are surprised some people snap? Its only going to get worse.

    As Freud said, America the individualistic "proposition nation" - i.e a nation based not on community but greed, hustling, competition, materialism - was a mistake from tje begining.

    It was said long ago by someone that "man cannot live by bread slone". Yet that is exactly what America, alone among nations, has tried to do, for tje first time in history. That is the American "experimemt". That is American "exveptionalism".

    Your comment is spot-on. I agree completely.

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  34. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    His father and mosque leader denounced homosexuality even as he was sneaking off for gay rendezvouses. He was obviously conflicted. The thinking process of homosexuals appears to be inherently distorted, a view which violates PC taboos. At some point it all came to a head and he decided to resolve it once and for all by going on a one way trip. His sudden jihad would atone for his past sinful existence. As in jailhouse conversions, people become suddenly very fervent but with little theological grounding. People who go on jihad do not usually have doctorate degrees in theology but more typically know close to zero about the background of their religion. One can conclude that those who go on one way missions are not the usual milk-and-cookies bland conventional types but are psychologically clustered off to the side of the scale.

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    Your post is basically what MI5 has also concluded:
    “Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.
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  35. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The Democratic Party=Homos+Muslims=a match made in HELL ITSELF!!!!!!

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  36. tbraton says:

    As first pointed out by Anatoly Karlin and subsequently by other posters, I think you have overthought the Muslim connection (or disconnection) and too easily dismissed the most obvious explanation of the apparent slaughter. I think you have placed way too much stress on the doctrinal impurity of Omar Mateen. I don’t know whether the Tsarnaev brothers could have passed your test of doctrinal purity. I think it is safe to say that, had not Omar Mateen’s Afghan parents not been granted admittance to the U.S. back in the mid-80′s, which allowed Omar to be born in the U.S., this bloody event likely would not have occurred. So the cause of the apparent slaughter in Orlando can be traced to our ridiculous immigration policies and lack of clear thinking by people running our country.

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  37. Randal says:

    To illustrate the comments above about Hezbollah and sunni muslims, consider the high tide of Hezbollah support amongst sunni muslims after its strong performance in the 2006 war with Israel:

    In the wake of the Israel-Hezbollah conflict, a public poll in Egypt asked a cross-section of that country’s citizenry to name the two political leaders they most admired. An overwhelming number named Hassan Nasrallah. Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad finished second.

    As I noted above, it is perfectly understandable that a muslim in Mateen’s position – living in the US, with Afghan rather than Arab connections and loyalties, and (it appears from his quoted statements) a primary concern with US actions in Afghanistan rather than the more specifically Arab issues in Syria, might respect both Hezbollah and ISIS as groups that he sees as standing up successfully against the US sphere. In particular, he might well have respected Hezbollah and seen claiming support for them as a way to get at Americans, in the years from 2006-2013.

    There is no reason to read any particular significance into this aspect of the information we have.

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  38. biz says:

    Dumb.

    How could he simultaneously support ISIS and Hezbollah? Clearly you aren’t familiar with the Muslim cultural concept of circles of loyalty.

    I against my brother.
    My brother and I together against our cousin.
    My brother, our cousin, and I together against another tribe.
    Our tribe and the other tribe together against another people.
    etc.

    In Mateen’s case the West and America were the ultimate enemy. He sees no problem in uniting with Shiites against the ultimate enemy, while still hating Shiites on their own and fighting them when the West is not involved.

    The rest of this article is similarly uninformed regarding important subtleties about the world. It is all yet another lame attempt to deflect from the real problem here, which is Islamist jihadist terrorism in our country.

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  39. Your understanding of Federal Firearms laws and Form 4473 are lacking.

    Omar had never been adjudicated as mentally ill and he had never been committed to a mental institution by a court. Just because your ex wife says you are crazy it does not bar you from buying a weapon.

    Omar’s ex/wife had never filed for a restraining order and he had never been arrested and convicted of domestic violence. Those are what 4473 asks about. If his ex had been abused, she should have called the police.

    The steroid abuse is probable, but again it is another claim by the ex wife. We all know ex wives never have axes to grind. Form 4473 asks “are” you an unlawful user. If he had stopped using them, then he could have answered this question truthfully.

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  40. @Kiza
    It appears that at least some of the victims have been shot by the SWAT team, as one would expect in any hostage situation. This could then explain the high killing and wounding score, which would otherwise suggest multiple shooters, no matter what kind of automatic weapon the shooter had.

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said: “I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation, but I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”
     
    Just imagine the logic of the police chief's statement: the gunman shot at them so they kept shooting back, damn the hostages. Any normal person would assume that the police have no reason to shoot back as long as the perpetrator is shooting at them (highly protected with all kinds of armor), they should shoot only if the perpetrator was shooting at the unarmed and unprotected hostages. The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.

    In pretty much all of such operations, killing the patsy is de rigueur. Dead men tell no tales.

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  41. Rurik says:

    hmm

    Jeh Johnson: Gun control is now a matter of homeland security

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

    it seems the Fiend is getting impatient

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  42. wow says:

    Saker leaves out his radicalized father and complicit ex-wife who said he was stalking the joint…..and another suggesting Disney World was a target initially….

    Jihadist….full on!!!! Islam is cancer and a Trojan horse…..ZERO immigration NOW from Middle East crap holes!!!!!!!

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  43. Marcus says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”.
     
    I don't know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    In any case Afghanistan is pretty homo. Its just that those cultures don't consider it homo when you're the dominant partner.

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam
     
    (a) These characters aren't known to be particularly bright.

    (b) The really sharp sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites only came to the fore in the 2000s. The older generation of jihadis placed much less emphasis on them. Omar Mateen could have sympathized more with that position.

    As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.
     
    Any possible reason an "clear nutcase" would not be investigated?

    ... what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)
     
    He wasn't a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    Though being bi would arguably make a psychosexual explanation more likely more likely:

    The overall pattern is consistent with the view that gay men tend to be psychologically like women, while lesbians are like men. Some of this could be due to the level of exposure to prenatal testosterone. Bisexuals in some ways seem hyper-masculine; turned on by anything that moves.
     
    .

    Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet... Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.
     
    Well it takes time for SWAT to arrive. The explanation for the high k/d ratio seems to be a lot more banal:

    https://twitter.com/Third_Position/status/742156880928067584
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  44. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    So, Trump has the guts to say ‘radical Muslims’.

    Does he have the courage to say ‘Anglo-Zionist Supremacists’ and ‘Homo-Imperialists’ who destroyed Western borders & immigration policy, subverted Western values and spirituality(by making the worship of homos and trannies to be the new religion), and formulated the foreign policy of destroying secular-modern Arab states and creating a vacuum to be filled by ragtag Jihadis.

    That would be real courage.

    Homo Imperialists are the main allies of the Jews. Look at the Jewish War on Russia over issues of Gay Might.

    Homos worked with Jews to smash Libya and Syria.

    trump’s pandering to homos is sick, sick, sick.

    Even stupid Sharia is better than Gayria.

    And even if we end Muslim immigration, we have Mexican, African, and Asian immigration that are bigger and just as anti-white.

    Also, even without a single Muslim in America, we have Jews, homos, and Negroes waging cultural terrorism on whites with gangster rap, homo propaganda, pornification of pop music and TV, and promotion of drugs.

    And the worst Americans are black citizens who turned Detroit into something worse than a war zone without tanks and bombs.
    Blacks have terrorism in their genes.

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  45. Marcus says:
    @Anonymous
    Once again the Faker shows the limits of his brand of "analysis". His Islam section is riddled with misunderstanding and/or deliberate obtuseness.

    It gets better. While most of us have now heard that Omar Mateen was a Muslim and that he had pledged allegiance to Daesh. It now turns out that he did pledged allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah!
     
    No he didn't. The faker must not understand english well enough since that's not at all what the NYT article says.

    “First he claimed family connections to Al Qaeda,” which, like the Islamic State, is a Sunni Muslim terrorist group, James Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. “He also said he was a member of Hezbollah,” a Shiite group in conflict with Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

    “He said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so that he could martyr himself,” Mr. Comey said.

     

    That someone would be a member of both Hezbollah and AQ is somewhat surprising. But that is clearly not what was going on Omar's mind. He was clearly desperate to provoke a raid on his house.

    The Faker then digs his hole deeper:

    It might be useful to repeat here that while nominally both ISIS and Hezbollah are “Muslim”, the ISIS Takfiris consider Shia as kufars, as apostates, who betrayed true Islam and turned to idolatry. They also consider them “Iranian agents”. As for Hezbollah, they are The Number One (all in caps) enemy of Daesh/ISIS gang and they refer to these Takfiri maniacs as “devils” (shaitan).

     

    This is clearly an effort to make Hezbollah look better since the Faker's paymasters have a chummy relationship with them. In the long run, Sunnis and Shias are no more different from one another than Maoists are from Leninists. Don't delude yourself
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

    This is clearly an effort to make Hezbollah look better since the Faker’s paymasters have a chummy relationship with them. In the long run, Sunnis and Shias are no more different from one another than Maoists are from Leninists. Don’t delude yourself

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

    An attack on a military target in a war zone. And Shia are tolerant of minorities compared to Sunni, Christians in Lebanon, Iran, and Syria have full rights.

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  46. Talha says:
    @anonymous
    His father and mosque leader denounced homosexuality even as he was sneaking off for gay rendezvouses. He was obviously conflicted. The thinking process of homosexuals appears to be inherently distorted, a view which violates PC taboos. At some point it all came to a head and he decided to resolve it once and for all by going on a one way trip. His sudden jihad would atone for his past sinful existence. As in jailhouse conversions, people become suddenly very fervent but with little theological grounding. People who go on jihad do not usually have doctorate degrees in theology but more typically know close to zero about the background of their religion. One can conclude that those who go on one way missions are not the usual milk-and-cookies bland conventional types but are psychologically clustered off to the side of the scale.

    Your post is basically what MI5 has also concluded:
    “Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.

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    Yet in Germany, a study by a veteran researcher (pro-immigrant and pro-Muslim in his leanings) has found that the more religious Muslim youngsters are, the more violently they behave.

    A study that shows boys growing up in religious Muslim families are more likely to be violent seems set to reignite the debate over religion and integration, a media report said on Sunday.

    The study, which involved intensive questioning of 45,000 teenagers from 61 towns and regions across the country, was conducted by Christian Pfeiffer of the criminal research institute of Lower Saxony.

    Pfeiffer said he was dismayed by the results, and told the Süddeutsche Zeitung he was a strong critic of political campaigns which painted foreigners as criminals – such as those led by Roland Koch and Thilo Sarrazin.

    Pfeiffer’s work took into account the level of education and standard of living in the families of the children – aged between 14 and 16 – who were questioned. He also asked them how religious they considered themselves, and how integrated they felt in Germany.

    Pfeiffer said that even when other social factors were taken into account, there remained a significant correlation between religiosity and readiness to use violence. There were some positive correlations too he said, noting that young religious Muslims were much less likely than their non-Muslim counterparts to drink alcohol – or to steal from shops.
     
    http://www.thelocal.de/20100606/27673

    And in the Middle East, the "Caliph" of Islamic State graduated from Baghdad University with a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology and his teachers acknowledge he was one of their best students ever. Could you hold your own in a debate with him? (That's assuming that you have points of disagreement. I believe you have already informed us that you do not oppose the death penalty for apostates from Islam.)
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  47. I don’t know anything about this loon or his motivations but claiming the Sunni/Shia rivalry only became important in recent years is naive. It was the root cause of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed – what – a million people? That dwarfs anything the US has done in Iraq or Afghanistan.

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    Except that the Iraq's attack on Iran was encouraged and abated by the Western countries on behalf of Israel and Saudi Barbaria, at the time when Saddam was the Western darling. Amongst other, the West supplied spare parts, satellite images of Iranian troop movements and components for making mustard gas.

    Thus, this million dead you mention also comes back to US and Israel. You better read more before making silly posts.
    , @tbraton
    The dispute between the Arabs and Persians predated Islam by more than a thousand years. BTW did you ever wonder why the Emperor Hadrian set the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers as the eastern boundary of the Roman Empire?
    , @Druid
    Your ignorant spouting is astounding. Iraq attacked Iran at the behest of America, since America never forgot or forgave their puppet the Shah being expelled after we did a coup against irans democratic leader mossadech. Nothing to do wit Sunni/Shia. Everything to do with Zionist American imperialistic hubris. Moron!
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  48. Mr. Turdy says:
    @5371
    [For instance, as he knows quite well, self-hate is another way of -phobia]

    No doubt by voluntarily choosing the username Mr. Turdy you meant to establish yourself as an expert on self-hate.

    Not at all. If you think carefully, you reach the conclusion that the largest contribution of every human being all over this planet are their turds, not to mention the CO2. We are 7.0 billion or so now, so we produce a pretty lot of them. And as you know, basically all of them (turds I mean) are the same, in despite of you eat or you don’t pork or you believe in Jucheism or the Founding Fathers.
    We all belong to the Great Turd Fraternity/Sorority. Not my fault, it was all working in such a way when I arrived (and it will be when I go out).

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  49. Kiza says:
    @Oskar Kokoschka
    I don't know anything about this loon or his motivations but claiming the Sunni/Shia rivalry only became important in recent years is naive. It was the root cause of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed - what - a million people? That dwarfs anything the US has done in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Except that the Iraq’s attack on Iran was encouraged and abated by the Western countries on behalf of Israel and Saudi Barbaria, at the time when Saddam was the Western darling. Amongst other, the West supplied spare parts, satellite images of Iranian troop movements and components for making mustard gas.

    Thus, this million dead you mention also comes back to US and Israel. You better read more before making silly posts.

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    If only someone had just told the Iraqis and Saudis they were puppets of the US and Israel, they would have thrown down their weapons/wallets and been BFF with the Iranians...

    This is naive. The world doesn't revolve around the US, or the mid-east around Israel.
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  50. grmbl says:
    @Talha
    Your post is basically what MI5 has also concluded:
    “Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.

    Yet in Germany, a study by a veteran researcher (pro-immigrant and pro-Muslim in his leanings) has found that the more religious Muslim youngsters are, the more violently they behave.

    A study that shows boys growing up in religious Muslim families are more likely to be violent seems set to reignite the debate over religion and integration, a media report said on Sunday.

    The study, which involved intensive questioning of 45,000 teenagers from 61 towns and regions across the country, was conducted by Christian Pfeiffer of the criminal research institute of Lower Saxony.

    Pfeiffer said he was dismayed by the results, and told the Süddeutsche Zeitung he was a strong critic of political campaigns which painted foreigners as criminals – such as those led by Roland Koch and Thilo Sarrazin.

    Pfeiffer’s work took into account the level of education and standard of living in the families of the children – aged between 14 and 16 – who were questioned. He also asked them how religious they considered themselves, and how integrated they felt in Germany.

    Pfeiffer said that even when other social factors were taken into account, there remained a significant correlation between religiosity and readiness to use violence. There were some positive correlations too he said, noting that young religious Muslims were much less likely than their non-Muslim counterparts to drink alcohol – or to steal from shops.

    http://www.thelocal.de/20100606/27673

    And in the Middle East, the “Caliph” of Islamic State graduated from Baghdad University with a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology and his teachers acknowledge he was one of their best students ever. Could you hold your own in a debate with him? (That’s assuming that you have points of disagreement. I believe you have already informed us that you do not oppose the death penalty for apostates from Islam.)

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    Hey grmbl,

    That helps flesh things out, but one thing to keep in mind is that this survey is about teenagers (14-16). Teenagers at that age aren't very grounded honestly. Keep in mind there are contradictions going on here. From this Germany survey, these guys are far less likely to drink, but this kind of behavior is common among those who become actual terrorists. MI5 did an actual study of those who actually became terrorists, not simply 'macho men'. Personally, I think the studies have a tangential relationship at best.

    graduated from Baghdad University with a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology
     
    Uh huh...with what specialization? A person could be a master of the hadith sciences and still have zero credentials to give a fatwa. And, apparently, this is based on info from Daesh themselves:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/secret-life-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-n132311

    Could you hold your own in a debate with him?
     
    No, I couldn't. The scholars who denounce him can - ten-fold:
    http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf (skip to the bottom to see signatories)
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Dont-see-ISIS-in-light-of-religion/articleshow/49795435.cms

    Peace.
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  51. Svigor says:

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam

    2) Or Omar Mateen was coerced into making this statement and he deliberately made it absurd

    3) Or Omar Mateen never said any such thing

    4) The Muslim terrorist, a moron, is still smarter than you, and likes both Muslim groups because both are hated by Americans, and both would be glad to see the USA destroyed.

    absolutely no way any real Scotsman Muslim

    FIFY.

    (Oh sure, visceral Islam-haters will still claim that Islam is to blame, just as Putin-haters will blame Putin, Jew haters will blame Jews, etc. but the factual basis of the “Islamic theory” is now gone).

    Leftist Russophile very clever. Link Islamophobia, ANTI-SEMITISM!!!, and Putin-hating in mind of reader. Diabolically clever. American left sure to stop shitting on Russia now.

    Take a look at the ATF form 4473 which every person has to fill before purchasing a firearm:

    Nonsense. Citizen to citizen sales require no paperwork whatsoever, unless required by state or local laws.

    So, under US Federal Law Omar Mateen could not have legally bought his guns. And since clearly he did not care about US lawys anyway, he could have purchased them off the street rather easily anyway.

    One can care very deeply about, and obey, US laws and purchase firearms “off the street,” too.

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    Svigor, an obvious Zamerican Supremacist(from his various posts at unz), goes:

    4) The Muslim terrorist, a moron, is still smarter than you[saker], and likes both Muslim groups because both are hated by Americans, and both would be glad to see the USA destroyed.
     
    Projection much? For a guy dumber than a bag of rocks, svigor, u should be careful b4 u call others morons.

    Let's start with Hezbollah;

    Why should americans hate Hezb? I mean, besides the fact that you are told to hate them by your zio puppet-masters?
    Has Hezbollah ever attacked Zamerica? No.

    Some dumsh*t zamericans think they should hate it bc allegedly Hzb killed a bunch of US marines and French paras, about 300 in all, in Beirut, Lebanon, 1983. In LEBANON.
    Why were the fuc*ing marines there? Allegedly as peace keepers but in reality to support the israeli invaders(who had invaded lebanon in 82).
    In fact, Hezb did not even exist in 83, it would only officially form in 85.
    It is also blamed for the attack on the US Embassy in Beirut, also in 83.
    No evidence for any of that of course and Hezbollah denies it all.
    Among the more than 30/40 lebanese militias of various persuasions operating just in Beirut in 1983, one called 'Islamic Jihad' claimed responsibility for the Embassy attack.

    A US commentator who has lived in Lebanon stated:

    "Lebanese Islamist groups, and others, who in the 1980’s were resisting Israel’s attacks did not feel that their acts were nearly as reprehensible as the US responsibility for what Israel was doing to their people and country.
    For example, once it became clear to them that the US Marines had abandoned their initially claimed neutrality as ‘peace keepers’ and instead began the shelling of Lebanon with 2,700-lb shells from the USS New Jersey most of these groups felt it their duty to repulse the US attacks.
    "

     

    The shelling killed hundreds of people, almost all civilians, Shiites and Druze.

    "The US forces were not “a neutral peacekeeping unit” as hyped."... in his memoir, General Colin Powell... noted that “When the shells started falling on the Shiites, they assumed the American ‘referee’ had taken sides.”
     
    I ain't even gonna go into all the CIA sponsored ops in Lebanon, including the vicious car bombing in 85, which killed eighty, mostly women and children and wounded over 250.

    The zamericans got what they deserved. Hezbollah is actually too nice. It strongly condemned the false flag 9-11 attacks, which in any case were truly carried out by your zionist masters.

    Leave Lebanon alone and you'll have nothing to fear from Hezbollah.

    What about ISIS/DAESH??

    The rise of the Daesh/ISIS lunatics was completely predictable – through destabilizing Eastern Syria which borders the Iraq sunni regions – and it was desired by Washington and its allies.

    In a recent interview, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, former head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), stated clearly that the rise of ‘ISIS’ was ‘a willful Washington decision’.

    As a German blogger wrote:

    Another released DIA document written in August 2012 and also highly redacted explains that Al Qaeda was, from the beginning, a big part of the Syrian “revolution”. It foresees and warns of the creation of an Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. Some quotes (emph. added):

    3 B: AQI(al qaeda in iraq) supported the Syrian opposition from the beginning …

    3 C: AQI conducted a number of operations in Syrian cities under the name of Jaish al-Nusra …

    Now, the criminals in Washington are trying to use ISIS as an excuse to, in fact, intervene in Syria and try to bring about the regime change they have been anxiously seeking since 2011.
    These are the moderate rebels and activists the main stream media wrote and is still writing about. More from the report:

    8 C: If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime.
    The “supporting powers” are earlier listed (in 7 B) as:
    Western countries, the Gulf States and Turkey.

     
    The DIA warns that the creation of such an Salafist principality would have “dire consequences” for Iraq and would possibly lead to the creation of an Islamic State and:

    DIA chief Michael Flynn confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of warnings to the civilian administration between 2012 and 2014 saying that the jihadists were in control of the opposition.

    “If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,”
    Flynn said.

    Yet, as Flynn stated previously, it was a “willful decision” for the administration “to do what they’re doing.”

    So, ISIS, which u claim is hated by zamerican fools and which, according to u, desires to see ZUSA destroyed, was created by your own government.
    The same is basically true for the various Al-CIAda outfits. Heck, Zusa did what it could for the Nusra(cia-da in Syria) front to be excluded from Russian/Syrian air strikes and attacks.
    Former Army general and CIA director David Petraeus even lobbied for Nusra.
    Recently, as veteran journalist Gareth Porter, stated: "In yet another a dangerous US political-diplomatic move in Syria, the Obama administration is going out of its way to protect the interests of al-Qaeda’s closest and most powerful ally in Syria, Ahrar al-Sham."
    Ahrar al-Sham is just another salafist extremist group.
    ZUSA has been in bed with radical Islam( and promoting it) going back many decades, same is true for some nato countries, particularly England.
    The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom – noted:

    “Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.’
    He also said:
    “By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.”

     

    Buhahahaha

    The Washington Post reported in 2010:

    The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks
     
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  52. Svigor says:

    Imagine the stupidity of denying someone’s Christianity or Judaism because of his political ignorance about this factionalism or that. But apparently okay because Islam. Muslims are all born with the knowledge of who hates who in west Asia, dincha know?

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  53. Randal says:

    claiming the Sunni/Shia rivalry only became important in recent years is naive. It was the root cause of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed – what – a million people?

    No, this is simply untrue. Sunni/shia rivalry had little to do with the Iran/Iraq war, at least as far as triggering it is concerned. That war was a piece of opportunist aggression by Saddam Hussein, much as was his attempt to grab Kuwait a few years later.

    Sunni/shia rivalry goes back centuries, just as protestant/catholic rivalry does, but it waxes and wanes in virulence from time to time and from place to place. The most recent upsurge was mostly a result of the US occupation of Iraq resulting in the overturning of the settlement there with a sunni elite ruling a shia majority. The Saudis have been fomenting it for decades, with mixed success.

    But as I pointed out above, there’s nothing surprising about a sunni muslim in Mateen’s position seeing Hezbollah as admirable, certainly a few years ago. Nor is there anything surprising about him now seeing ISIS as the main muslim force standing up to the US. This (Mateen’s supposed appeal at different times to both Hezbollah and ISIS) has no great substance to it. If anything, it just reinforces the fact that forceful military opposition to the US sphere’s foreign policy is what mattered to him.

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    The most recent upsurge was mostly a result of the US occupation of Iraq resulting in the overturning of the settlement there with a sunni elite ruling a shia majority. The Saudis have been fomenting it for decades, with mixed success.
     
    Assertion affirmed by Rami Khouri

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54gFOpFS3xQ
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  54. Svigor says:

    I don’t know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    Yeah, the media knew after 24 whole hours that the gun-grabbing wasn’t going to work this time. The media gun-grabs because they consider it a mitzvah, and because they do it in a way that only hurts their enemies. They don’t do it because it works, that much is clear; America’s been rejecting it for a long time now.

    Amazing how slow you guys are to catch up. The guy’s been trolling gay bars for years. He visited the bar more than a dozen times, got drunk and belligerent and thrown out, pulled a knife on a friend, etc. How many frickin’ times does it take to “scout out a gay bar”? Sounds about as convincing as OJ’s search for the real killers, that senator with “a wide stance,” etc.

    Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    This ‘spergy dyke is the best that NPR can find on Russia. But she’s Jewish and speaks Russian, ergo, “Russia expert.” I will say this in her favor though, last night that creep Marco Wurman (sic?) tried to call Russian fag-bashers “religious activists” and she corrected him, calling them thugs. For whatever reason, she declined an opportunity to bash Christianity. She actually corrected him like this a couple of times.

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  55. Svigor says:

    Nonsense. Citizen to citizen sales require no paperwork whatsoever, unless required by state or local laws.

    For transactions between residents of same state, that is.

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  56. @Anatoly Karlin
    Incidentally, I'm waiting for Masha Gessen's article on how the roots of Omar Mateen's rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    “Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.”

    Specifically attributable to the actions of a young, camera-toting KGB agent now known as Vladimir Putin, but who was known far and wide throughout the land of Afghanistan as Vlad the Terrible.

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    The Russians probably did the world a favor by invading Afghanistan. The CIA operation against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan allowed the homosexual-pedophile rapists in the Afghan resistance to the Soviet Invasion of Aghanistan to rise to power. The emergence of the Taliban was a reaction to this. Al Queda's emergence wasn't too far down the road after this.

    Toss in the Democratic-Republican Party Invade-The-World-Invite-The World Post-1965 Cold War and post-Cold War Era US Immigration Policy and there was a direct road to 9/11...the Fort Hood Massacre...The Chattanooga Massacre...The California Massacre...The Boston Marathon Bombing...Orlando....and Muslim "Americans" legally being allowed to vote Native Born White American Christians into a violently persecuted racial minority with the borders of the US on Nov 8 2016 when they pull the lever for the old farting violent bulldyke Hillary Clinton...And they have the legal right to do this every four years.
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  57. nik says:

    false flag, obviously. zios real nightmare is evangelicals dumping christian-zionism

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  58. @Kiza
    Except that the Iraq's attack on Iran was encouraged and abated by the Western countries on behalf of Israel and Saudi Barbaria, at the time when Saddam was the Western darling. Amongst other, the West supplied spare parts, satellite images of Iranian troop movements and components for making mustard gas.

    Thus, this million dead you mention also comes back to US and Israel. You better read more before making silly posts.

    If only someone had just told the Iraqis and Saudis they were puppets of the US and Israel, they would have thrown down their weapons/wallets and been BFF with the Iranians…

    This is naive. The world doesn’t revolve around the US, or the mid-east around Israel.

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  59. tbraton says:
    @Oskar Kokoschka
    I don't know anything about this loon or his motivations but claiming the Sunni/Shia rivalry only became important in recent years is naive. It was the root cause of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed - what - a million people? That dwarfs anything the US has done in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    The dispute between the Arabs and Persians predated Islam by more than a thousand years. BTW did you ever wonder why the Emperor Hadrian set the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers as the eastern boundary of the Roman Empire?

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  60. Talha says:
    @grmbl
    Yet in Germany, a study by a veteran researcher (pro-immigrant and pro-Muslim in his leanings) has found that the more religious Muslim youngsters are, the more violently they behave.

    A study that shows boys growing up in religious Muslim families are more likely to be violent seems set to reignite the debate over religion and integration, a media report said on Sunday.

    The study, which involved intensive questioning of 45,000 teenagers from 61 towns and regions across the country, was conducted by Christian Pfeiffer of the criminal research institute of Lower Saxony.

    Pfeiffer said he was dismayed by the results, and told the Süddeutsche Zeitung he was a strong critic of political campaigns which painted foreigners as criminals – such as those led by Roland Koch and Thilo Sarrazin.

    Pfeiffer’s work took into account the level of education and standard of living in the families of the children – aged between 14 and 16 – who were questioned. He also asked them how religious they considered themselves, and how integrated they felt in Germany.

    Pfeiffer said that even when other social factors were taken into account, there remained a significant correlation between religiosity and readiness to use violence. There were some positive correlations too he said, noting that young religious Muslims were much less likely than their non-Muslim counterparts to drink alcohol – or to steal from shops.
     
    http://www.thelocal.de/20100606/27673

    And in the Middle East, the "Caliph" of Islamic State graduated from Baghdad University with a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology and his teachers acknowledge he was one of their best students ever. Could you hold your own in a debate with him? (That's assuming that you have points of disagreement. I believe you have already informed us that you do not oppose the death penalty for apostates from Islam.)

    Hey grmbl,

    That helps flesh things out, but one thing to keep in mind is that this survey is about teenagers (14-16). Teenagers at that age aren’t very grounded honestly. Keep in mind there are contradictions going on here. From this Germany survey, these guys are far less likely to drink, but this kind of behavior is common among those who become actual terrorists. MI5 did an actual study of those who actually became terrorists, not simply ‘macho men’. Personally, I think the studies have a tangential relationship at best.

    graduated from Baghdad University with a Ph.D. in Islamic Theology

    Uh huh…with what specialization? A person could be a master of the hadith sciences and still have zero credentials to give a fatwa. And, apparently, this is based on info from Daesh themselves:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/secret-life-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-n132311

    Could you hold your own in a debate with him?

    No, I couldn’t. The scholars who denounce him can – ten-fold:
    http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf (skip to the bottom to see signatories)

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Dont-see-ISIS-in-light-of-religion/articleshow/49795435.cms

    Peace.

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  61. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @The Alarmist

    "Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."
     
    Specifically attributable to the actions of a young, camera-toting KGB agent now known as Vladimir Putin, but who was known far and wide throughout the land of Afghanistan as Vlad the Terrible.

    The Russians probably did the world a favor by invading Afghanistan. The CIA operation against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan allowed the homosexual-pedophile rapists in the Afghan resistance to the Soviet Invasion of Aghanistan to rise to power. The emergence of the Taliban was a reaction to this. Al Queda’s emergence wasn’t too far down the road after this.

    Toss in the Democratic-Republican Party Invade-The-World-Invite-The World Post-1965 Cold War and post-Cold War Era US Immigration Policy and there was a direct road to 9/11…the Fort Hood Massacre…The Chattanooga Massacre…The California Massacre…The Boston Marathon Bombing…Orlando….and Muslim “Americans” legally being allowed to vote Native Born White American Christians into a violently persecuted racial minority with the borders of the US on Nov 8 2016 when they pull the lever for the old farting violent bulldyke Hillary Clinton…And they have the legal right to do this every four years.

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    I hate communism as much as anyone, but when it comes to communists vs Muslims, i'll always side with the former. Too bad the Soviets were soft on Islam compared to what they did to Christians, Buddhists, etc.
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  62. joe webb says:

    Fw: NYTimes.com: In the Dead in Orlando, Puerto Ricans Hear a Roll Call of Their Kin ( that’s right…genetically similar low life )
    People
    joe webb Today at 9:41 AM

    [MORE]

    “For Puerto Ricans here, the heartbreak is especially strong. Orlando was meant to be a haven for Puerto Ricans who fled the island because of its imploding economy and spectacularly high crime rate. The fact that so many young Puerto Ricans died in a spasm of violence during a night of dancing seems a particularly bitter twist.
    Ramona Nazario, 67, who arrived three years ago from Ponce, P.R., said the shooting reminded her too much of what she had left behind. “The same things are happening here — the killings, the drugs,” Ms. Nazario said in Spanish. “You don’t feel so well when these things go on. People here fail, too.””

    Puerto Rico is about to slip into the sea and send a few more millions here. Reminds me of that Black Senator from a southern state who asked during a congressional hearing about Guam, if the heavy military equipment landing on the island would tip it over.

    Blacks and Browns collapse anything they touch. Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Cuba, Africa, Migrant boats, etc. Give us your tired, your poor, your wretched refuse yearning for Free White Money, Free Pussy, or, in this case, free ass-holes., and free medical care to Help them after they catch disease from slurping from the sewer of the body.

    You will always see in turd world cultures, a wild display of color in clothing, etc. This is because the only thing that moves the brains of dummies is
    Sensation. Thought? forget it. Sex, drugs, violence, and salsa and don’t forget rock n roll for dummy whites, but at least white pop music usually has a story line, and a recognizable melody rather than the bump, bump, bump of rap, salsa, and “World Music.”

    The putative 3 hours of the free fire zone at the Orlando Pulse club…pulse indeed, bum, bum, bum… makes you kinda wonder what was going on there. More partying among the bullets? Begging Omar …O let me suck your cock, I give you mucho good suck. Well, you got apparently a few hundred partying semi-males with big balls apparently, but none of them can put their balls to work as in jumping and killing Omar. Girlie men.

    The issue is not homosexuality, it is girlie men who lack courage. And then Omar asks, per a witness, if someone is black…”Are you black?, I don’t have a problem with blacks.” shee…et man I be black, most def.

    Not only where were the cops, but where was the courage that men are supposed to possess, in large part because of their testosterone. Plausible deniability: O I got off 5 times and just did not have it in me darlin’.

    The fact is that blacks and browns, queer or not, have little or no courage. They can riot, thieve, cheat on welfare, etc, scheme and stick you up, but courage? Not in them. Makes me speculate on the average middle class white guys today…pretty girlie-men types, sucking up to the System, to get ahead. Giving head to the Boss, etc.

    The only segment of White men who have balls today are gun-owning working class guys. And they, plus a few of us pointy-headed white nationalists, got the balls. Balls and Guns. Many Millions of both.

    Civil War is coming. You saw Obongo last night on TV…..?? There it is, the hatred of us in spades. The Face, naked at last , of Black Killers of Whites. Civil War is coming fast. And Islam? a totally lunatic religion. Throw them all out. Yeah the Jews started it, but we got an existential problem right now…look at Europe with its 50 million muzzies. Some of the military talking heads there are actually talking about civil war. Yup. First we kill all the Liberals. Shakespeare said that.
    The Jews will take more time.

    Joe Webb

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  63. Chris says:

    This event is a gov’t drill / hoax. No one was killed. Think about it. You have 53 injured and presumably many non-injured and in this age of smart phones, not one picture or video of the crime scene. Not one! Impossible!

    And where were the ambulances? Show me a picture of an ambulance at this event bringing the injured to a hospital. You can’t. At Sandy Hook, EMT’s and Medieval helicopter personnel were not allowed on the crime scene. Have you ever heard of such non-sense. Same here, because there is no real crime scene.

    The NDAA declares gov’t propaganda against Americans as legal. In this case the narrative is 3 fold: 1) ISIS is coming to the US (be prepared to give up more freedoms so the Police State can protect you, 2) Gay/ LGBT agenda, 3) Gun control starting with assault weapons (they want the public disarmed so they have full control of us).

    ISIS is a CIA/Mossad/M6 creation (funded mercenaries)to create unrest in the Mid-East so Israel has full control. They’ll use ISIS is the US to keep the fictitious “War on Terror” going until we have martial law.

    Another tell tale sign that this is a gov’t drill/ hoax is you’ll always see the grieving parents on the news, within 24 hours of losing a loved one, advocating gun control. In reality they would be mourning and any political talk from them would occurs perhaps weeks later. It’s BS.

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    You are probably right.



    I heard a witness interviewed saying he was in and around the emergency room..when the ambulances were supposed to be coming in......and the authorities evacuated the ENTIRE WING....everyone had to get out...Everyone!..He said they said the gunman may be loose in the building.........Strange stuff.....

    The witness was not even allowed to get to his car in the parking lot....that area was quarantined too...

    A little Strange too....No?

    Kinda feels like they were more concerned about having witnesses around.... than helping the injured as quickly as possible....But who knows.
    , @Mark F.
    Better take your meds
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  64. Jonah says:

    The guy shouted “Allahu Akbar” while he was mowing people down. After he called 9-1-1 to pledge allegiance to ISIS.

    Guns, gays, media spin, etc…. Throw it all out. This was another nutty Muslim with jihad in his heart. If his garbage parents had never been allowed into this country he and his poisoned mind would have been someone else’s problem.

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  65. woodNfish says:

    And I think that rather than hold hands, sob and engage in all the rest of the idiotic behavior so many people engage in after such an event, the best thing we can do to honor the memory of those murdered is to refuse to buy into all the nonsense and lies surrounding this atrocity.

    Finally, another person who recognizes this as an atrocity and not a “tragedy” like the rest of mind-numbingly stupid LSM! However, I have no intention of honoring a bunch of faggots alive or dead, murdered or not. Society is better of with fewer perverts and inviting them out of their closets has been a colossal mistake.

    Your theory that the insanity of homosexuality is the basis for the shooter committing the atrocity is interesting, but I think it is more likely his self loathing and hatred toward homosexuality as a Muslim is what drove him to do it. Perhaps as an act of atonement for being a homosexual before meeting Allah.

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  66. joe webb says:

    the Sacker, as in put you in one, a sack and whisk you off to the Black Magic Castle. is trumped by The Faker. Thank you.

    This guy says that the anglo-zio empire want ‘to make your stupid.’ Yup, the Faker is some kind of leftie grey-head who fellow travels with Chomsky….probably talks to him regularly as they conspire to realize the I HAVE DREAM nightmare of Blackness and Brownness united with Defeated Whites to kill off the anglo-zio plotters…yes I know Chomsky is a zio…I’m the guy who outed him but who knows, maybe the CIA has directed him to change his line to a more Comprehensive People of Color Revolution and discard the Jews like Stalin did, to further the One True Revolution: Race Equality.and Global Humanity.
    The sacker-fakir is just an old time nationalist…russian , when what we need is a Universal White Communitarianism to meet the challenge of the world-wide Color that wants us dead and /or enslaved. Sacker-fakir , as in mystic faker. Mumbo Jumbo ju-ju of race equality. Diversity, and so on. ugh.

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  67. Art says:
    @Art
    Why did it take 3 hours for the cops to go into the bar --- really --- 3 hours?????

    dailymail.co.uk

    Did a delay in response give the gunman more time?

    Cops face questions over why it took three hours for SWAT teams to storm Orlando nightclub as police chief admits officers may have shot some of the VICTIMS

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639596/Did-delay-police-response-shooter-time.html

    Hmm – London paper.

    Hmm – where are US papers on this?

    Hmm – would it be anti-Semitic to ask our resident Jews why their news outlets are not reporting this? (88 Nazi to iffen)

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  68. mtn cur says:

    Aggravated case of “Hey Ya’ll , watch this, I’m not really a swisher sweet.” Actually he was a Trump operative, intended to discourage deseased Mexicans from coming to Florida. Geez! In the given time frame, a claw hammer would have been sufficient to the task. Or Blondie with her rolling pin. Nice thing about guns is they discourage people from doing the things they would do if you didn’t have guns, including taking away your guns. I always wear one whenever I go where guns are prohibited. Wonder why gun shows never are attacked? They don’t post signs saying that nobody inside has a gun.

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  69. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    So, we have another Omar.

    Remember Omar Thorton who was caught stealing beer and was fired.
    He blamed whitey for ‘racism’ and killed a bunch of them.

    The Jewish-run NYT’s spin was “Were those whites really ‘racist’ and deserved to die?”

    The Jewish-controlled News Media is Information Terrorism against white Americans.

    It’s like the Rolling Stone article about UVA rapists.
    Imagine if a blonde female journalist shopped for a college so that she could spin a narrative about black rapists or Jewish rapists.
    Sabrina Rubin Erderly specifically shopped for a college to run the narrative of blonde white frat bay Neo-Nazi rapists. But she still has her job.
    This is why all this anti-Muslim rage misses the point. Sure, white people have reasons to dislike Muslims, but the real effective destroyers of whites are Jews, homos, and Negroes.

    And much of Hollywood and Music Industry is Cultural Terrorism against whites.

    Jewish oligarchs in Music Industry want your daughter to grow up to be like Miley Cyrus.

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  70. @Randal

    claiming the Sunni/Shia rivalry only became important in recent years is naive. It was the root cause of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed – what – a million people?
     
    No, this is simply untrue. Sunni/shia rivalry had little to do with the Iran/Iraq war, at least as far as triggering it is concerned. That war was a piece of opportunist aggression by Saddam Hussein, much as was his attempt to grab Kuwait a few years later.

    Sunni/shia rivalry goes back centuries, just as protestant/catholic rivalry does, but it waxes and wanes in virulence from time to time and from place to place. The most recent upsurge was mostly a result of the US occupation of Iraq resulting in the overturning of the settlement there with a sunni elite ruling a shia majority. The Saudis have been fomenting it for decades, with mixed success.

    But as I pointed out above, there's nothing surprising about a sunni muslim in Mateen's position seeing Hezbollah as admirable, certainly a few years ago. Nor is there anything surprising about him now seeing ISIS as the main muslim force standing up to the US. This (Mateen's supposed appeal at different times to both Hezbollah and ISIS) has no great substance to it. If anything, it just reinforces the fact that forceful military opposition to the US sphere's foreign policy is what mattered to him.

    The most recent upsurge was mostly a result of the US occupation of Iraq resulting in the overturning of the settlement there with a sunni elite ruling a shia majority. The Saudis have been fomenting it for decades, with mixed success.

    Assertion affirmed by Rami Khouri

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  71. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    Fw: NYTimes.com: In the Dead in Orlando, Puerto Ricans Hear a Roll Call of Their Kin ( that's right...genetically similar low life )
    People
    joe webb Today at 9:41 AM




    "For Puerto Ricans here, the heartbreak is especially strong. Orlando was meant to be a haven for Puerto Ricans who fled the island because of its imploding economy and spectacularly high crime rate. The fact that so many young Puerto Ricans died in a spasm of violence during a night of dancing seems a particularly bitter twist.
    Ramona Nazario, 67, who arrived three years ago from Ponce, P.R., said the shooting reminded her too much of what she had left behind. “The same things are happening here — the killings, the drugs,” Ms. Nazario said in Spanish. “You don’t feel so well when these things go on. People here fail, too.”"


    Puerto Rico is about to slip into the sea and send a few more millions here. Reminds me of that Black Senator from a southern state who asked during a congressional hearing about Guam, if the heavy military equipment landing on the island would tip it over.

    Blacks and Browns collapse anything they touch. Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Cuba, Africa, Migrant boats, etc. Give us your tired, your poor, your wretched refuse yearning for Free White Money, Free Pussy, or, in this case, free ass-holes., and free medical care to Help them after they catch disease from slurping from the sewer of the body.

    You will always see in turd world cultures, a wild display of color in clothing, etc. This is because the only thing that moves the brains of dummies is
    Sensation. Thought? forget it. Sex, drugs, violence, and salsa and don't forget rock n roll for dummy whites, but at least white pop music usually has a story line, and a recognizable melody rather than the bump, bump, bump of rap, salsa, and "World Music."

    The putative 3 hours of the free fire zone at the Orlando Pulse club...pulse indeed, bum, bum, bum... makes you kinda wonder what was going on there. More partying among the bullets? Begging Omar ...O let me suck your cock, I give you mucho good suck. Well, you got apparently a few hundred partying semi-males with big balls apparently, but none of them can put their balls to work as in jumping and killing Omar. Girlie men.

    The issue is not homosexuality, it is girlie men who lack courage. And then Omar asks, per a witness, if someone is black..."Are you black?, I don't have a problem with blacks." shee...et man I be black, most def.

    Not only where were the cops, but where was the courage that men are supposed to possess, in large part because of their testosterone. Plausible deniability: O I got off 5 times and just did not have it in me darlin'.

    The fact is that blacks and browns, queer or not, have little or no courage. They can riot, thieve, cheat on welfare, etc, scheme and stick you up, but courage? Not in them. Makes me speculate on the average middle class white guys today...pretty girlie-men types, sucking up to the System, to get ahead. Giving head to the Boss, etc.

    The only segment of White men who have balls today are gun-owning working class guys. And they, plus a few of us pointy-headed white nationalists, got the balls. Balls and Guns. Many Millions of both.

    Civil War is coming. You saw Obongo last night on TV.....?? There it is, the hatred of us in spades. The Face, naked at last , of Black Killers of Whites. Civil War is coming fast. And Islam? a totally lunatic religion. Throw them all out. Yeah the Jews started it, but we got an existential problem right now...look at Europe with its 50 million muzzies. Some of the military talking heads there are actually talking about civil war. Yup. First we kill all the Liberals. Shakespeare said that.
    The Jews will take more time.


    Joe Webb

    Do you own firearms, and do you plan on using them to kill Jews and others?

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    I see you do not see my reference to "white Liberal race traitors." You only see, thru your subjective and handicapped brain, Jews.

    There is civil war coming and in the civil war, jews and race traitors will be shot while the untermenschen will be guided homeward.There is no place like home.

    You are obviously a jew and a troll, but that's ok, you are just doing what comes naturally, and I am all for naturalism. Enemies are killed, Friends are loved, and the vast number of 'don't knows' are negotiated with.

    I will not live long enough to participate in the killing phase of civil war, but we are entering the first phase, which is that of occasional assassination, Word Bullets, and so on. Hatreds are growing and That is Good. Read the jewyorktimes, etc. They refer to people like me as bugs coming out of the woodwork. Very well.

    You jews and race traitors want to squash us. We will squash you first since you started it, both now, and a half century and more ago with the Race Equality Lies....all just a jewish tactic to get Whites fighting over Negroes, and to get themselves into the US thru immigration law, of which the crown on the shit-pile was the 1965 Immigration Act. Enter the shit people following the Jews to the Promised Land of Free Money and Darkie Worship. Of course, for Jews, blacks are just schwartzes, but what the hey, it's a free country .

    Like Kipling's The Wrath of the Awakened Anglo-Saxon.

    last stanza...It was not suddenly bred./It will not swiftly abate./ Through the chilled years ahead,/When Time shall count from the date/That the Saxon began to hate.

    WE are slow to anger, but when we do, we are berserkers and more clear-headed captains. Jews have always hated. Hatred is what keeps you going. It is all in the OT. Then there is the Talmud, in which Jesus, son of a whore and a Roman soldier, boils in human excrement for all eternity. There is a great comic bit in The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones, in which the rabbi of Paris is questioned about this passage and a few others. The Queen of France, presided...about 1330. The Rabbi says, yes it is is there, but we meant not your Jesus Chist but another Jesus Christ, like Louie is the kIng of France but there are many French Louises around.

    This reminds me of a Mort Sahl or Lennie Bruce bit...you know , jewish humor. But the butt of their jokes is always a goyim. Funny nonetheless. Anyway, the joke of the 21st Century will be the counter-revolution in which among white race traitors, the jews will also discover that Nemesis has them in mind.

    That! is some Hate. You hate, I just laugh and enjoy the bad times coming for the jews, race traitors, grifters, globalists and money men of all denominations. The biggest Deadly Sin is Pride, which is a Christian contribution to Socratic Understanding of self.

    Jews are Pride Incarnate, and will be punished, as I like to quote Thomas Mann in his Doctor Faustus....Real Jewish Trouble is coming...that was back in the 20s (?). The nice thing about the jews is that they never learn. It is genetic.
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  72. @Carlton Meyer
    I'd link to my blog post but I have not written it yet. The two key points. The USA kills dozens of Afghans every week.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/12/al-qaeda-leader-appears-to-pledge-allegiance-to-taliban-in-afghanistan.html

    "The results have been daunting: The U.N. says 3,545 Afghan civilians were killed and 7,457 wounded in 2015, most of them by the Taliban."

    Most, but still,lots of Afghans are killed by American bombs each week and no one in the USA gives a damn. Perhaps someone whose parents are from Afghanistan was bothered. And there is some hidden news of that:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/witness-fla-gunman-attacked-to-get-us-to-stop-bombing-his-country-1.414615

    "Witness: Fla. gunman attacked to get US 'to stop bombing his country'"

    Recall the recent murder of dozens of Afghans in a hospital in Kunduz by American airmen, and just last week kindly Obama said he would allow more American bombing/killing. But one must come to this website to read what is obvious. Our corporate media would never dare hint that our endless and pointless slaughter of innocent Afghans might provoke an American of Afghan descent to retaliate.

    Let's blame gun shops instead! The Empire commits no sins. Perhaps we should lock up American Afghans, as liberal icon Roosevelt did to innocent Japanese-Americans in WWII. Or maybe we should just order our troops home, as every invader of Afghanistan has done.

    Bring our troops and drones home from Muslim countries AND exclude admitted Muslims (and anyone from a country with Muslim majority) from Western lands.

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    If I might suggest a more succinct formulation:
    "Don't bomb 'em over there.
    Don't bring 'em over here."
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  73. Marcus says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    The Russians probably did the world a favor by invading Afghanistan. The CIA operation against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan allowed the homosexual-pedophile rapists in the Afghan resistance to the Soviet Invasion of Aghanistan to rise to power. The emergence of the Taliban was a reaction to this. Al Queda's emergence wasn't too far down the road after this.

    Toss in the Democratic-Republican Party Invade-The-World-Invite-The World Post-1965 Cold War and post-Cold War Era US Immigration Policy and there was a direct road to 9/11...the Fort Hood Massacre...The Chattanooga Massacre...The California Massacre...The Boston Marathon Bombing...Orlando....and Muslim "Americans" legally being allowed to vote Native Born White American Christians into a violently persecuted racial minority with the borders of the US on Nov 8 2016 when they pull the lever for the old farting violent bulldyke Hillary Clinton...And they have the legal right to do this every four years.

    I hate communism as much as anyone, but when it comes to communists vs Muslims, i’ll always side with the former. Too bad the Soviets were soft on Islam compared to what they did to Christians, Buddhists, etc.

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    Marcus


    That sounds about right.
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  74. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    Do you own firearms, and do you plan on using them to kill Jews and others?

    I see you do not see my reference to “white Liberal race traitors.” You only see, thru your subjective and handicapped brain, Jews.

    There is civil war coming and in the civil war, jews and race traitors will be shot while the untermenschen will be guided homeward.There is no place like home.

    You are obviously a jew and a troll, but that’s ok, you are just doing what comes naturally, and I am all for naturalism. Enemies are killed, Friends are loved, and the vast number of ‘don’t knows’ are negotiated with.

    I will not live long enough to participate in the killing phase of civil war, but we are entering the first phase, which is that of occasional assassination, Word Bullets, and so on. Hatreds are growing and That is Good. Read the jewyorktimes, etc. They refer to people like me as bugs coming out of the woodwork. Very well.

    You jews and race traitors want to squash us. We will squash you first since you started it, both now, and a half century and more ago with the Race Equality Lies….all just a jewish tactic to get Whites fighting over Negroes, and to get themselves into the US thru immigration law, of which the crown on the shit-pile was the 1965 Immigration Act. Enter the shit people following the Jews to the Promised Land of Free Money and Darkie Worship. Of course, for Jews, blacks are just schwartzes, but what the hey, it’s a free country .

    Like Kipling’s The Wrath of the Awakened Anglo-Saxon.

    last stanza…It was not suddenly bred./It will not swiftly abate./ Through the chilled years ahead,/When Time shall count from the date/That the Saxon began to hate.

    WE are slow to anger, but when we do, we are berserkers and more clear-headed captains. Jews have always hated. Hatred is what keeps you going. It is all in the OT. Then there is the Talmud, in which Jesus, son of a whore and a Roman soldier, boils in human excrement for all eternity. There is a great comic bit in The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones, in which the rabbi of Paris is questioned about this passage and a few others. The Queen of France, presided…about 1330. The Rabbi says, yes it is is there, but we meant not your Jesus Chist but another Jesus Christ, like Louie is the kIng of France but there are many French Louises around.

    This reminds me of a Mort Sahl or Lennie Bruce bit…you know , jewish humor. But the butt of their jokes is always a goyim. Funny nonetheless. Anyway, the joke of the 21st Century will be the counter-revolution in which among white race traitors, the jews will also discover that Nemesis has them in mind.

    That! is some Hate. You hate, I just laugh and enjoy the bad times coming for the jews, race traitors, grifters, globalists and money men of all denominations. The biggest Deadly Sin is Pride, which is a Christian contribution to Socratic Understanding of self.

    Jews are Pride Incarnate, and will be punished, as I like to quote Thomas Mann in his Doctor Faustus….Real Jewish Trouble is coming…that was back in the 20s (?). The nice thing about the jews is that they never learn. It is genetic.

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    So do you own firearms, and do you plan on using them to kill Jews and others, as you've said here and elsewhere?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/whither-the-shards-of-america-its-us-or-them/#comment-1449901

    we are going to kill many of you jews and race traitors. we got guns and you do not. Joe Webb
     
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I would very much appreciate it if you would include the comedy bit from Mort Sahl or Lenny Bruce, even the just of it as best you can. Thanks
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  75. mcs_in_ny says:

    The gun purchase was entirely legal. From what we know of Mateen’s history, he could have truthfully answered all those ATF questions in the negative. Taking steroids is not unlawful per se, although the sale of them is controlled. He had never been adjudicated mentally incompetent (that is, in a court of law) or committed to an institution. Merely being diagnosed as bipolar (if he was, as far as I know we only have his ex-wife’s statements as evidence) is not the same thing as being declared incompetent. Also, he was never found guilty of domestic abuse or had a restraining order against him. It appears her family got her out of the situation without involving the authorities to that extent.

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  76. alexander says:
    @Chris
    This event is a gov't drill / hoax. No one was killed. Think about it. You have 53 injured and presumably many non-injured and in this age of smart phones, not one picture or video of the crime scene. Not one! Impossible!

    And where were the ambulances? Show me a picture of an ambulance at this event bringing the injured to a hospital. You can't. At Sandy Hook, EMT's and Medieval helicopter personnel were not allowed on the crime scene. Have you ever heard of such non-sense. Same here, because there is no real crime scene.

    The NDAA declares gov't propaganda against Americans as legal. In this case the narrative is 3 fold: 1) ISIS is coming to the US (be prepared to give up more freedoms so the Police State can protect you, 2) Gay/ LGBT agenda, 3) Gun control starting with assault weapons (they want the public disarmed so they have full control of us).

    ISIS is a CIA/Mossad/M6 creation (funded mercenaries)to create unrest in the Mid-East so Israel has full control. They'll use ISIS is the US to keep the fictitious "War on Terror" going until we have martial law.

    Another tell tale sign that this is a gov't drill/ hoax is you'll always see the grieving parents on the news, within 24 hours of losing a loved one, advocating gun control. In reality they would be mourning and any political talk from them would occurs perhaps weeks later. It's BS.

    You are probably right.

    I heard a witness interviewed saying he was in and around the emergency room..when the ambulances were supposed to be coming in……and the authorities evacuated the ENTIRE WING….everyone had to get out…Everyone!..He said they said the gunman may be loose in the building………Strange stuff…..

    The witness was not even allowed to get to his car in the parking lot….that area was quarantined too…

    A little Strange too….No?

    Kinda feels like they were more concerned about having witnesses around…. than helping the injured as quickly as possible….But who knows.

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  77. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Marcus
    I hate communism as much as anyone, but when it comes to communists vs Muslims, i'll always side with the former. Too bad the Soviets were soft on Islam compared to what they did to Christians, Buddhists, etc.

    Marcus

    That sounds about right.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    I see you do not see my reference to "white Liberal race traitors." You only see, thru your subjective and handicapped brain, Jews.

    There is civil war coming and in the civil war, jews and race traitors will be shot while the untermenschen will be guided homeward.There is no place like home.

    You are obviously a jew and a troll, but that's ok, you are just doing what comes naturally, and I am all for naturalism. Enemies are killed, Friends are loved, and the vast number of 'don't knows' are negotiated with.

    I will not live long enough to participate in the killing phase of civil war, but we are entering the first phase, which is that of occasional assassination, Word Bullets, and so on. Hatreds are growing and That is Good. Read the jewyorktimes, etc. They refer to people like me as bugs coming out of the woodwork. Very well.

    You jews and race traitors want to squash us. We will squash you first since you started it, both now, and a half century and more ago with the Race Equality Lies....all just a jewish tactic to get Whites fighting over Negroes, and to get themselves into the US thru immigration law, of which the crown on the shit-pile was the 1965 Immigration Act. Enter the shit people following the Jews to the Promised Land of Free Money and Darkie Worship. Of course, for Jews, blacks are just schwartzes, but what the hey, it's a free country .

    Like Kipling's The Wrath of the Awakened Anglo-Saxon.

    last stanza...It was not suddenly bred./It will not swiftly abate./ Through the chilled years ahead,/When Time shall count from the date/That the Saxon began to hate.

    WE are slow to anger, but when we do, we are berserkers and more clear-headed captains. Jews have always hated. Hatred is what keeps you going. It is all in the OT. Then there is the Talmud, in which Jesus, son of a whore and a Roman soldier, boils in human excrement for all eternity. There is a great comic bit in The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones, in which the rabbi of Paris is questioned about this passage and a few others. The Queen of France, presided...about 1330. The Rabbi says, yes it is is there, but we meant not your Jesus Chist but another Jesus Christ, like Louie is the kIng of France but there are many French Louises around.

    This reminds me of a Mort Sahl or Lennie Bruce bit...you know , jewish humor. But the butt of their jokes is always a goyim. Funny nonetheless. Anyway, the joke of the 21st Century will be the counter-revolution in which among white race traitors, the jews will also discover that Nemesis has them in mind.

    That! is some Hate. You hate, I just laugh and enjoy the bad times coming for the jews, race traitors, grifters, globalists and money men of all denominations. The biggest Deadly Sin is Pride, which is a Christian contribution to Socratic Understanding of self.

    Jews are Pride Incarnate, and will be punished, as I like to quote Thomas Mann in his Doctor Faustus....Real Jewish Trouble is coming...that was back in the 20s (?). The nice thing about the jews is that they never learn. It is genetic.

    So do you own firearms, and do you plan on using them to kill Jews and others, as you’ve said here and elsewhere?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/whither-the-shards-of-america-its-us-or-them/#comment-1449901

    we are going to kill many of you jews and race traitors. we got guns and you do not. Joe Webb

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  79. fenster says:

    So Paul Craig Roberts asserts it is likely to be a complete hoax and The Saker flirts with this as well.

    Why don’t all the conspiracy theorists–and there are many–pool their resources and hire a private dick to take a look into one–just one–of these events that some find so suspicious? The doctors on TV. Are they employed at the hospital? Go to the hospital and ask people what it was like there that night. Check out the names of the dead and see if they are real and if funerals took place and if people went to the funerals. Holy Chr*st it can’t be that hard or that expensive. Who knows they could be right but I find the idea of a faking something like this extraordinarily hard to swallow. There are just too many ways a decent gumshoe could start to unravel things in a few hours. Sitting at your computer complaining is pretty lame.

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    If Paul Craig Roberts believes that the Orlando massacre is a hoax then he is insane.
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  80. Svigor says:

    The guy shouted “Allahu Akbar” while he was mowing people down. After he called 9-1-1 to pledge allegiance to ISIS.

    Guns, gays, media spin, etc…. Throw it all out. This was another nutty Muslim with jihad in his heart. If his garbage parents had never been allowed into this country he and his poisoned mind would have been someone else’s problem.

    Fine, but the meme to spread is “Islam vs. homos.” The meme to spread is “pro-Islam is anti-gay.” Tactics, my man, tactics.

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  81. Art says:

    Witness: “America Needs To Stop Bombing ISIS” – Orlando Shooter

    Orlando shooting victim says he played dead for 3 hours to stay alive.

    A witness who survived the terrorist attack inside the Pulse nightclub in Orlando recounts his interactions with the terrorist who held hostages on ABC’s 20/20

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44868.htm

    Video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziuBhKF5DY

    Muslim youth – how to get racialized in America _ just watch FOX JEWS

    It is end to end anti-Muslim hate talk — End of Story

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    Problem being the USA is not bombing ISIS, something ISIS of all people know. The fact this statement was asserted to have been made or was even made, serves as further evidence this was yet another FBI controlled false flag psyop. The FBI speifically tried to censor the information that Mateen was gay. Why would they do that I wonder? unless their agenda included a narrative.
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  82. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Even after this massacre, Jews are still bitching about Trump and nationalism. They are still in globalist mode.

    Why are Jews so hostile to the idea of sturdy and strict American Citizenship?

    Why do they want to ‘universalize’ the notion of citizenship so that just about anyone can become American or even German or Japanese?

    Do they hate the notion of citizenship as a form of neo-Christianity?

    There was a time in Europe when Jews had to convert to Christianity in order to attain all the social, economic, and political benefits. Many Jews did this reluctantly because there was no other way to access full rights and privileges. It offended their sensibility, but they held their noses and did it because they had to in order to succeed in many avenues.
    Jews as Jews were denied certain rights. Only Jews-as-converts-to-Christianity could gain full rights.

    [MORE]

    In 1965, Jews changed immigration laws so that non-whites could come to US in big numbers to gain citizenship. Back then, Jews were on the side of the Law, the legal process of becoming citizens. Even if the new immigration laws would have negative impact on whites, there was still the Rule of Law at least.

    But as yrs passed by, even the legal process is reviled as a hindrance to ‘human rights’ to Jews. Even the requirement that immigrants apply and arrive legally and then gain rights through the legal process is anathema to many Jews.

    Many Jews now insist on total open borders. They say the notion of ‘illegal alien’ is an affront to human dignity. They say even an illegal immigrant is more American than native-born Americans since US is a ‘nation of immigrants’(or future immigrants as opposed to past immigrants). San Francisco is even moving to grant voting rights to illegal aliens.
    So, even the Rule of Law is now seen as an unjust obstacle. Even the notion of national citizenship is problematic to Jews who now promote the notion of global citizen of the world. (But then, people who think homos qualify for marriage would likely think illegals qualify for full citizenship rights.)
    Jews feel no special attachment to any piece of gentile land. They just see the
    concept of national citizenship in gentile lands as culturally and politically excluding Jews in spirit if not in letter. After all, German citizenship means Germany belongs to Germans primarily. Japanese citizenship means Japan belongs to Japanese primarily.
    It assumes that minorities like Jews, even if allowed full freedoms, don’t belong as much.

    Also, by encouraging immigration to US from all over the world, Jews hope to turn these newcomers into Janissary-like agent-collaborators of globalism who will then export the Jewish-Homo or Jomo Agenda to their home countries. So, the Glob virus is now spreading in Mexico(that has ‘gay marriage’), China, India, Vietnam, Poland, and all nations that sent many people to the US.

    After coming under the influence of US education and US media — both controlled by Jews and homos —, the children of the immigrants(especially East Asian drones and running dogs) turn into willing & servile agents of Globalism. (Muslims seem to be the only exception as their immigrant children sometimes turn ‘radical’ and fight against Zio-Globalist Imperialism as Omar Mateen seems to have done. He went overboard, but he is to be lauded for resisting the power of Glob, just like the Tsarnaev brothers who returned to the values of their forefathers against the sick tide of Jewish-Homo control of America).

    It could be that Jews feel the same way about national citizenship. They associate it with special privileges that once belonged ONLY to Christians.

    Of course, this doesn’t apply to Israel. Over there, only Jewish immigrants are allowed. Indeed, any Jew around the world is granted immediate citizenship upon arriving in Israel. Arabs already in Israel are allowed to be Israeli citizens, but no new Arabs are allowed to immigrate to Israel and become Israelis. Arab citizens can only increase through births whereas Jewish citizens in Israel can be multiply by both birth and immigration.

    Jews seek to expand the meaning of citizenship to eventually destroy the whole concept, at least in gentile nations.
    It’s like what the disgusting Jewish lesbian hag pushed ‘gay marriage’ to eventually destroy the institution of marriage itself.

    Once anything is ‘marriage’, marriage no longer has any value. It’s like if you want to destroy the value of currency, just let anyone print their own money. When everyone has all the money to buy everything, they won’t be able to buy anything since the money no longer has any value since anyone can print it.
    Likewise, once marriage is whatever people say it is, it has no value.

    And once citizenship is a matter to be decided by whomever, it no longer has any value.
    If an illegal says, “I’m just as American as any American citizen”, then the next step is everyone outside the US can say, “I’m just as American as anyone who illegally entered America. I just haven’t done it yet.”

    If a Mexican who enters US illegally is just as American as any gringo, then ALL Mexicans in Mexico are just as American too since all they have to do is illegally cross the border.

    But if every illegal Mexican is American, then the meaning of illegality goes out the window. Illegal is made legal, just like ‘gay marriage’ is made into real marriage.

    Sick world under the domination of crazy Jews.

    I think around 10% of Jews are sane, but the 90% that loves Hillary?

    Geez.

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    This psyop was a Jewish hand behind it you clown. Talk about cluelessness, you're one of their favorite kinds of puppets.
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  83. Mark F. says:
    @Chris
    This event is a gov't drill / hoax. No one was killed. Think about it. You have 53 injured and presumably many non-injured and in this age of smart phones, not one picture or video of the crime scene. Not one! Impossible!

    And where were the ambulances? Show me a picture of an ambulance at this event bringing the injured to a hospital. You can't. At Sandy Hook, EMT's and Medieval helicopter personnel were not allowed on the crime scene. Have you ever heard of such non-sense. Same here, because there is no real crime scene.

    The NDAA declares gov't propaganda against Americans as legal. In this case the narrative is 3 fold: 1) ISIS is coming to the US (be prepared to give up more freedoms so the Police State can protect you, 2) Gay/ LGBT agenda, 3) Gun control starting with assault weapons (they want the public disarmed so they have full control of us).

    ISIS is a CIA/Mossad/M6 creation (funded mercenaries)to create unrest in the Mid-East so Israel has full control. They'll use ISIS is the US to keep the fictitious "War on Terror" going until we have martial law.

    Another tell tale sign that this is a gov't drill/ hoax is you'll always see the grieving parents on the news, within 24 hours of losing a loved one, advocating gun control. In reality they would be mourning and any political talk from them would occurs perhaps weeks later. It's BS.

    Better take your meds

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  84. Forbes says:
    @George123
    Agreed.

    It seems obvious that this massacre is a product of the alienation proceduced by American society. Americans increasingly can't take living in a heartless society where being an asshole is lauded (being a type A personality!), everyone cares only for money, and deceit and manipulation are necessary for success.

    Have you read "Going Postal" by Mark Ames?

    Ames points out that random massacres began increasing during the Regan years - completely unsurprising.

    America is a hostile battleground - the atmosphere of casual hostility and aggression is pervasive and palpable.

    Feminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean because they imagine these qualities to be quintessentially masculine (they are too stupid to realize that they have erected as their shining ideal a grotesque distortion of traditional masculinity. Its as if having competing visions of masculinity to choose from, they chose the masculinity of the gutter, and ignored that of the upper classes. Naturally)

    In response to this, many men today erect a mirror philosophy celebrating gutter masculinity in the form of "game" which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.

    And yet all this is merely the logical culmination- the working out over the course of time - of the principles America was founded on. Hustling, money, materialism, competition, aggression, science, technology, non spirituality, anti-intellectualism, celebration of stupidity, fraud, and aggression to "get ahead" and step on the other person.

    And we are surprised some people snap? Its only going to get worse.

    As Freud said, America the individualistic "proposition nation" - i.e a nation based not on community but greed, hustling, competition, materialism - was a mistake from tje begining.

    It was said long ago by someone that "man cannot live by bread slone". Yet that is exactly what America, alone among nations, has tried to do, for tje first time in history. That is the American "experimemt". That is American "exveptionalism".

    in the form of “game” which purports to represent timeless truths about the sexes but is so obviously a local, modern phenomenon that speaks only of the condition of modern America.

    Well, ‘game’ is based on some timeless truths, e.g. what attracts women, what engages women, what keeps women. What’s changed are the rules of the mating game–so yes, it speaks to the “phenomena…of the condition of modern America.

    If, as you say, “[f]eminists educate girls to be selfish, aggressive, hostile, and mean”, then that is the reality (or a close approximation) that (young) men have to deal with.

    Here’s a clue: Chivalry is a two-way street. When women no longer behave/respond in the manner expected under chivalry, there is no longer a reason for men to perform chivalrously. The White Knight pedestalizing a woman doesn’t work anymore–he’s a chump, and she knows it.

    Stomping your feet because the social mores have changed is not an answer.

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  85. @Anatoly Karlin

    And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”.
     
    I don't know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    In any case Afghanistan is pretty homo. Its just that those cultures don't consider it homo when you're the dominant partner.

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam
     
    (a) These characters aren't known to be particularly bright.

    (b) The really sharp sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites only came to the fore in the 2000s. The older generation of jihadis placed much less emphasis on them. Omar Mateen could have sympathized more with that position.

    As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.
     
    Any possible reason an "clear nutcase" would not be investigated?

    ... what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)
     
    He wasn't a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    Though being bi would arguably make a psychosexual explanation more likely more likely:

    The overall pattern is consistent with the view that gay men tend to be psychologically like women, while lesbians are like men. Some of this could be due to the level of exposure to prenatal testosterone. Bisexuals in some ways seem hyper-masculine; turned on by anything that moves.
     
    .

    Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet... Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.
     
    Well it takes time for SWAT to arrive. The explanation for the high k/d ratio seems to be a lot more banal:

    https://twitter.com/Third_Position/status/742156880928067584

    He wasn’t a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    I think he was a homosexual. He preferred (to try to have) sexual relations with males despite the availability of a female. He persisted despite sustained rejection. [Also, the base rates give bisexuality a low prior.]

    But he doesn’t seem to have been a highly conflicted homosexual, like the narrative pretends. If he were defending against his homosexuality, he would have loudly proclaimed that he was attacking his targets because of their orientation. Instead, he used the most noble-sounding terrorist excuse – stop bombing my people. He was rationalization his rage at his sexual rejection.

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    He was a scorned homosexual suitor.
    , @Randal
    .... or you could just take the simple explanation, rather than digging up some homosexual lobby cod psychology and mixing it with speculation and hearsay to come up with a complicated and inherently speculative motivation for him:

    that he was an Afghan by family heritage and a muslim and disposed to hate the US government on both counts, and he eventually chose to act on that enmity.
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  86. dahoit says:
    @Unapologetic White Man
    To say that this incident has nothing to do with Islam because the guy wasn't doctrinally sound is poor logic. It doesn't matter if he's murky on the inter-tribal squabbles. What matters is where he found the root of his world view.

    And if he supported both what ISIS is doing and what Hezbollah is doing, well, that would explain his statement of solidarity.

    His high school friends have told of how he was celebratory on the day of 9/11. Why fight the fact that yet another Muzzy has reminded us yet again that not a single one of them belong in any Western country.

    Hezbollah and IsUS are mortal enemies.Hezbollah are the good guys,by far.In fact they are much better than US,they mind their own business,while we f*ck with people all over the world.
    And I have no idea why the Saker thinks the HellBitch will be victorious in Nov.No way,Jose.
    And anyone who doesn’t believe that this was your typical blowback,(with possible homosexual self hatred angle?)they need their head examined.
    The world in flames,all due to people like the HB,and America is awakened.
    Yankee come home.

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  87. @Stephen R. Diamond

    He wasn’t a homosexual. He was at most bi.
     
    I think he was a homosexual. He preferred (to try to have) sexual relations with males despite the availability of a female. He persisted despite sustained rejection. [Also, the base rates give bisexuality a low prior.]

    But he doesn't seem to have been a highly conflicted homosexual, like the narrative pretends. If he were defending against his homosexuality, he would have loudly proclaimed that he was attacking his targets because of their orientation. Instead, he used the most noble-sounding terrorist excuse - stop bombing my people. He was rationalization his rage at his sexual rejection.

    He was a scorned homosexual suitor.

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  88. dahoit says:

    Lets talk turkey.This started in 48 in Israel and post ww2 energy greed by the USA,which installed puppets throughout the region to make off with the black gold,and the Zionists made off with Palestine.We gave 2 shites for what the Muslims believed and who they worshipped,so stop the idiotic bashing for their not surrendering to the hegemon.
    Until the Muslims (and others)attain the same level of security that we enjoy(despite occasional terror)and Israelis,there will be blood.
    We are f*cking with the wrong people,as they will kill themselves(for whatever reason)to kill us,something forbidden us hedonists,and we will never defeat terror until they are treated with the justice they deserve.
    They did not instigate this,USzion did,so in no way is Islam at fault or to blame,we are.And if the Muslims ever wake up to their stupid schism,maybe they’ll win.
    That said,I totally agree with Trump and his approach to our borders.Never in the history of America have fellow Americans turned on their fellows for being American,and the porous southern border is an affront to the Ziomeme of terror,illegal immigration the scum endorse.
    Will Trump be the nationalist hope we so desperately need?I know nobody else will be.YankeeComeHome.

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    Well said!
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  89. Randal says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    He wasn’t a homosexual. He was at most bi.
     
    I think he was a homosexual. He preferred (to try to have) sexual relations with males despite the availability of a female. He persisted despite sustained rejection. [Also, the base rates give bisexuality a low prior.]

    But he doesn't seem to have been a highly conflicted homosexual, like the narrative pretends. If he were defending against his homosexuality, he would have loudly proclaimed that he was attacking his targets because of their orientation. Instead, he used the most noble-sounding terrorist excuse - stop bombing my people. He was rationalization his rage at his sexual rejection.

    …. or you could just take the simple explanation, rather than digging up some homosexual lobby cod psychology and mixing it with speculation and hearsay to come up with a complicated and inherently speculative motivation for him:

    that he was an Afghan by family heritage and a muslim and disposed to hate the US government on both counts, and he eventually chose to act on that enmity.

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    The homosexual lobby wouldn't like my explanation. (You really don't understand where that lobby is going with this, do you?) Your other point is obviously true but insufficient to explain the specific act.
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  90. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @fenster
    So Paul Craig Roberts asserts it is likely to be a complete hoax and The Saker flirts with this as well.

    Why don't all the conspiracy theorists--and there are many--pool their resources and hire a private dick to take a look into one--just one--of these events that some find so suspicious? The doctors on TV. Are they employed at the hospital? Go to the hospital and ask people what it was like there that night. Check out the names of the dead and see if they are real and if funerals took place and if people went to the funerals. Holy Chr*st it can't be that hard or that expensive. Who knows they could be right but I find the idea of a faking something like this extraordinarily hard to swallow. There are just too many ways a decent gumshoe could start to unravel things in a few hours. Sitting at your computer complaining is pretty lame.

    If Paul Craig Roberts believes that the Orlando massacre is a hoax then he is insane.

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  91. EdwardM says:

    Minor quibble in that I think you are dismissing the jihadist theory too quickly. There is another, very likely, possible explanation for why he supported “ISIS and Hezbollah” despite the differences between them.

    4) He was ignorant. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Suni, Shia, Sufi, Salafist, etc. may fight among themselves but that doesn’t mean that someone born in the U.S. can’t decide that what they all say against the West sounds pretty good and he wants to join the jihad. I don’t think that one has to understand the nuances to be a legitimate Muslim terrorist.

    Kind of like when I was in college, it would amuse me when the Sparticist League accused the Communist Party of being phony sell-out reactionary stooges. The Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists, Maoists, or whatever, would hate each other. But they’re all the same. Some superficial ambiguity wouldn’t cloud the motives of someone who blew up a building claiming allegiance to all of these groups.

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  92. Jeanne says:

    Bottom line, the U.S. must close our gates to nations we have nothing in common….third world countries. NO CITIZENSHIP to those that we have nothing in common.

    The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. NO MORE political correctness.
    We must return to God’s Word, instructions, wisdom. We are to be kind to visitors, but NO CITIZENSHIP to foreign third world nations.

    If a racist is a person that wants to preserve their civilized culture, their heredity, their language, their FAITH, then you may call me a racist….so be it.

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    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.”

    How did you come to know that?
    , @L.K
    "Bottom line, the U.S. must close our gates to nations we have nothing in common….third world countries."

    Well, Jeanne, then you zamericans must GTFO of the rest of the world first!

    Including getting the hell out of Europe, which ZUSA have been busy destroying for nearly a century now.

    Stop with the economic imperialism as well, stop funding the most sellout members of local elites in various countries to turn their countries into US clients at the expense of the people....

    Ultimately, what u ZUSAn clowns just DON'T GET is that this sort of immigration/refugee processes r largely the result of Empire. BTw, a lot of it is PLANNED, by your oligarchy of course.

    Until you people change your ways, avg zamerican zombies will keep paying the price.
    Mark my words.
    , @tbraton
    "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. "

    I believe that the number of Americans who were Jewish was between 1000 and 2500 in 1776, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop1.html, and the numbers didn't start growing substantially until the latter part of the 19th century when the U.S. was already a great country. As far as we know, there were no Jews at the Constitutional Convention, just Puerto Ricans like Alexander Hamilton and the other Founding Fathers. I wonder when they are going to discover the version of the Federalist Papers written in hip-hop.
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  93. @Randal
    .... or you could just take the simple explanation, rather than digging up some homosexual lobby cod psychology and mixing it with speculation and hearsay to come up with a complicated and inherently speculative motivation for him:

    that he was an Afghan by family heritage and a muslim and disposed to hate the US government on both counts, and he eventually chose to act on that enmity.

    The homosexual lobby wouldn’t like my explanation. (You really don’t understand where that lobby is going with this, do you?) Your other point is obviously true but insufficient to explain the specific act.

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    The homosexual lobby wouldn’t like my explanation. (You really don’t understand where that lobby is going with this, do you?)
     
    The homosexual lobby doesn't have a particularly coherent position on this, beyond wanting to ensure they are the headline victims. But the whole "homophobes are closet homos" thing is one of their favourite and most effective tools.

    Your other point is obviously true but insufficient to explain the specific act.
     
    It's more than sufficient to identify the steps needed to be taken in response to this act. And it has the advantage of being self-evidently true rather than based upon, as I said, dubious psychological speculation.

    Tactically, I can see the appeal for those who care only about the muslim issue of trying to forge some kind of alliance with the homosexual lobby against islam (or even just drive a wedge into the leftist de facto alliance between them), but while it's superficially attractive, setting us (the west) up as a gay society in opposition to muslims is a losing proposition, imo, in the long run. Not all societies and people are as meekly propagandised on the homosexuality issue as the liberal democracies of the US sphere.

    And it won't work anyway. Establish him as a closet homo and they'll just insist it's conservative society that made him that way. It's still all about them, rather than the real issue - which is invade the world and invite the world.
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  94. @Jeanne
    Bottom line, the U.S. must close our gates to nations we have nothing in common....third world countries. NO CITIZENSHIP to those that we have nothing in common.

    The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. NO MORE political correctness.
    We must return to God's Word, instructions, wisdom. We are to be kind to visitors, but NO CITIZENSHIP to foreign third world nations.

    If a racist is a person that wants to preserve their civilized culture, their heredity, their language, their FAITH, then you may call me a racist....so be it.

    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.”

    How did you come to know that?

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    {How did you come to know that?}

    Well, not judeo-Christian, but Christian.
    And we know that because.....check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers.
    That's how you know.
    Who do you think founded US, the Klingons?
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  95. pol says: • Website

    “So unless we now re-brand Omar Mateen as a “self-hating homosexual” “

    Why is that so difficult for YOU to believe?

    Your language is deceptive, “re-brand?” Are you an investigator or propagandist? The goal is to find out what happened, and that has nothing to do with “brands.”

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  96. Sam Shama says:
    @5371
    [barricaded the only free exit]

    Homos just cannot learn to keep exits clear.

    LMAO!
    BTW did anyone watch Anderson Cooper yesterday? He was atttacking Kim Bondi, FL AG, for not tweeting congratulations to homosexuals on gay pride day. Man was positively indignant, and taking her to task for failing to perform the compulsory ritual!

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  97. Avery says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.”

    How did you come to know that?

    {How did you come to know that?}

    Well, not judeo-Christian, but Christian.
    And we know that because…..check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers.
    That’s how you know.
    Who do you think founded US, the Klingons?

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    "...check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers."

    You mean the ones who massacred Indians, those who traded and owned slaves, and those who conscripted men into the army to fight for the interests of the conscriptors? What kind of Christians were they anyway???

    Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?

    Furthermore, could you be specific about which "Founding Fathers" you are referring to? Just because some may have claimed to be Christians doesn't mean they "founded" the country for that reason. If you think otherwise, kindly present evidence and make it specific, not some vague romantic mythological blather.
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  98. @Avery
    {How did you come to know that?}

    Well, not judeo-Christian, but Christian.
    And we know that because.....check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers.
    That's how you know.
    Who do you think founded US, the Klingons?

    “…check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers.”

    You mean the ones who massacred Indians, those who traded and owned slaves, and those who conscripted men into the army to fight for the interests of the conscriptors? What kind of Christians were they anyway???

    Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?

    Furthermore, could you be specific about which “Founding Fathers” you are referring to? Just because some may have claimed to be Christians doesn’t mean they “founded” the country for that reason. If you think otherwise, kindly present evidence and make it specific, not some vague romantic mythological blather.

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    {....Judeo-Christians.....}

    I already wrote they were not Judeo-Christians: Christians.
    Judaism has very little commonality with Christianity.
    The made-up term Judeo-Christian means nothing.

    Now then:

    {kindly present evidence and make it specific, not some vague romantic mythological blather.}


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

    {Franklin T. Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons).[18] Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.[18]

    A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians such as Thomas Jefferson,[19][20][21] who constructed the Jefferson Bible, and Benjamin Franklin.[22]

    Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".[23]}

    And I don't have any romantic notions or mythological blather about Christianity.
    I never claimed Christians are angels.

    And we'll discuss the massacres of Native Americans by European invaders/settlers next class, if you insist.
    But before you get all huffed up about this: you posed a simple question to another poster, and I responded with the simple fact that Founding Fathers were in fact "white" and (nominally) Christian.

    If you want to have an argument with yourself, have at it: I am not interested.
    , @tbraton
    "Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?"

    I hope you realize that there were many Christian sects back then, many of whom came to America to escape persecution from the established Church back in Europe, whether the RC Church or the Church of England. One of the most persecuted sects in the early days of the Republic were the Baptists.
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  99. ChrisD says:

    I think you’re ‘overthinking’ this too much. Most people who commit crimes and pledge allegiance to ISIS don’t have a clue about Islam except the notions of ‘West = evil’ ‘Stop bombing my homeland’ etc. This guy was an insecure, mentally unstable self-hating homo Muslim who obviously snapped multiple times at his wives. The FBI found a ‘significant amount’ of ISIS propaganda on his web browser and downloaded online. This goes to show you how pervasive ISIS is on the interwebs and how easy it is to recruit ‘lone wolf’ attackers such as this guy, the guy in Sydney, and those across Europe.

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    This guy was no Muslim and nor was the nutbag in Sydney. They are patsies selected by the FBI in the US or here in Oz the Federal Police. I can as good as prove our federal police are in control of Takfirism here in Australia and I have seen exactly how they're going round questioning Muslims in Australia on the flimsiest of grounds, literally for being Muslim nothing else. The info is being collated and the best patsies selected from the reports thus generated. It is the absolute truth and I have been witness to these illegal human rights abuses by the feds myself. I sent them away with their tails between their legs by giving them info proving our government and hence their employer was complicit in ISIS recruitment in Australia.

    Their huge mistake was to know so little about Islam, they too didn't realise Sunnis and Shias are not the same creature by a huge margin.

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  100. Rurik says:

    What kind of Christians were they anyway???

    the manifest destiny kind

    putatively iow

    mostly protestant but likely somewhat more agnostic in their private opinions, (the ‘founders’ anyways, whereas the rabble were likely believers of some kind).

    the point, (I think) is that America (US) was not created and hewn out of the wilderness while fighting off London bankers and French monarchists and assorted pirates and indigenous “Indians’ in order to hand it all over to Muslims from the Middle East and everyone else. While begging forgiveness for the “sins” you’re hanging on white America’s necks for what everyone else was doing at the time, and for which it was white Americans who died ending the institution of slavery ["Civil" war] and the genocide of minorities [WWII]

    For that they deserved to be marginalized and displaced by Muslims and Mexicans?

    I suspect that was her point

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  101. Avery says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    "...check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers."

    You mean the ones who massacred Indians, those who traded and owned slaves, and those who conscripted men into the army to fight for the interests of the conscriptors? What kind of Christians were they anyway???

    Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?

    Furthermore, could you be specific about which "Founding Fathers" you are referring to? Just because some may have claimed to be Christians doesn't mean they "founded" the country for that reason. If you think otherwise, kindly present evidence and make it specific, not some vague romantic mythological blather.

    {….Judeo-Christians…..}

    I already wrote they were not Judeo-Christians: Christians.
    Judaism has very little commonality with Christianity.
    The made-up term Judeo-Christian means nothing.

    Now then:

    {kindly present evidence and make it specific, not some vague romantic mythological blather.}

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

    {Franklin T. Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons).[18] Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.[18]

    A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians such as Thomas Jefferson,[19][20][21] who constructed the Jefferson Bible, and Benjamin Franklin.[22]

    Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid “theistic rationalism”.[23]}

    And I don’t have any romantic notions or mythological blather about Christianity.
    I never claimed Christians are angels.

    And we’ll discuss the massacres of Native Americans by European invaders/settlers next class, if you insist.
    But before you get all huffed up about this: you posed a simple question to another poster, and I responded with the simple fact that Founding Fathers were in fact “white” and (nominally) Christian.

    If you want to have an argument with yourself, have at it: I am not interested.

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  102. Rabbitnexus says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And now we find out that the shooter himself was a homosexual and that he used “gay dating apps”.
     
    I don't know to what extent I buy this. The media have certainly started pushing this angle once it became clear the anti-gun jeremiads were arriving dead on arrival. Logically if I was planning to have a rampage and maximize my kill score I would scout out the prospective site repeatedly.

    In any case Afghanistan is pretty homo. Its just that those cultures don't consider it homo when you're the dominant partner.

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam
     
    (a) These characters aren't known to be particularly bright.

    (b) The really sharp sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites only came to the fore in the 2000s. The older generation of jihadis placed much less emphasis on them. Omar Mateen could have sympathized more with that position.

    As a rule these background checks and security investigation simply do not work.
     
    Any possible reason an "clear nutcase" would not be investigated?

    ... what if the roots of Omar Mateen’s violent insanity came from his homosexuality? (how is that for a major crimethink?!)
     
    He wasn't a homosexual. He was at most bi.

    Though being bi would arguably make a psychosexual explanation more likely more likely:

    The overall pattern is consistent with the view that gay men tend to be psychologically like women, while lesbians are like men. Some of this could be due to the level of exposure to prenatal testosterone. Bisexuals in some ways seem hyper-masculine; turned on by anything that moves.
     
    .

    Then let’s do the math. 1 gunman, 320 people, 49 dead, 53 wounded. And yet we are also told that the US SWAT teams are the best on the planet... Either they are not nearly as good as most people think, or they are lying about what really happened.
     
    Well it takes time for SWAT to arrive. The explanation for the high k/d ratio seems to be a lot more banal:

    https://twitter.com/Third_Position/status/742156880928067584

    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism. It is EXACTLY as the article stated, it is the most ludicrous and impossible position to assert support for ANY Shia group and even a moderatly pious let alone extremist Sunni group. Takfiris which is what ISIS are, are in another galaxy again there as they are extremist Wahhabis and previous to them, nobody hated Shias and had caused us greater suffering than their Satanic sect. For the record, Wahhabism was rejected more than 100 years ago by all five schools of Islamic thought, as Kharajites, meaning NOT OF US and it is irrevocable. They owe their existence to Lawrence of Arabia who hauled them away from a deserved death and installed them along with the recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud and his clan of cutthroat sand pirates and slave traders. Protocol around Mecca and Medina stays the hand of Islam against these devils, so long as they do not block our acces to them. It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today. Our Prophet warned us about them, they are the devils from Najd. The truth about Shia Islam is the opposite of what the m,ajority Sunnis pretend to believe. I am a convert and initially was Sunni by default. I did the research and discovered the truth is not shrouded in mystery it isn’t complicated and it is nothing like the majority belief which is nurtured today by the Zionist and Western media which aligns itself with the Sunni majority frankly because they find Sunnis more familiar, due to their tendency to be flexible in their beleifs and thinking and more attuned to men’s laws than Allah’s. It is Shias who have most precisely and truly adhered to true Islam. They are in fact descended from the family and closest companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Sunnis arose from a deceptive power game which was enacted just before the death of Muhammad (SAW) by an assassin turned convert and who soon became the second Caliph after the death of our beloved Prophet. Shias never deviated from the Quran as it is written whilst Sunnis have repeatedly altered teachings and practices according to the whims of men, such as that second Caliph Umar who as one of his first acts banned a practice of temporary marriages which whilst it seems odd today, had a place then and in Iran today is fascinatingly used to circumvent the very restrictive laws of contact between men and women who are unmarried. It has allowed couples who are engaged to go on dates together and to develop their relationship before marriage in a way Sunnis cannot without breaching Islamic laws. However it does not mean these couple engage in sex, such license isn’t even dreamt of, just the chance to move with the times somewhat. The Sunnis instead have since invented another thing called “Travellers Marriage” which is purely used for sexual license. Allah is wisest and His Quran gave us all we needed, even regarding dealing with a future thousands of years hence as now. It is interestingly more possible for Shias to move and evolve in the modern world whilst following Islam than for Sunnis, specifically because of changes Sunnis made to the teachings. It should make people stop and wonder that it is Shia Islam which our corrupt and incompetent leadership in the West persistently assaults and undermines. This is simply because Shias as True Muslims will never assimilate with the West. Believe it or not, despite current appearances, the Sunnis will and are.

    I have issues with the rest of what you wrote, I disagree in shjort with your entire comment, you worked hard on it but it is factually lacking. You reject some evidnece which has the best of provenance but it appears that is because you actually haven’t been following things very closely. However my main point was to make clear your comments about why the article is wrong on Islamic matters is totally false and needs to be corrected for the sake of truth.

    I might add as an aside to your remark about Afghanistanis and what are termed “Bakaa Bereesh” or dancing boys, that you are somewhat correct in that certain tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan does see a fair bit of this, it is entrenched although things are startung to change. My own assumption from the outset, when I merely guessed Mateen was gay from his “vamping” in his selfies, was that the father being connected to the levels of power that he is, would be a prime candidate for using such services as “dancing boys” provide and by merely applying assumptions based on humanity and a long life so far, rather than some Islamic interpretation; that the father had probably abused the son. That would answer why the son was actually gay and not just a “boy b@ggerer” as these creeps somehow manage to make mean they’re not gay just tough men. Also why the father might have personal reasons, besides possible conflicting roles, to paint a different picture of things too.

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    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism.
     
    But Anatoly Karlin is an expert on Islam. He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.

    And he watched the Disney movie Aladdin multiple times!
    , @Rurik

    It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today.
     
    "recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud"

    "blood feud"

    "genocide"

    Interesting post Rabbitnexus

    is there a racial component to the rift between Sunni and Shia?

    I've always wondered about that, being as the most prominent Shias are Persians while the most notorious Sunnis are Arab. Wondering if it isn't sort of like the division between the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, where so many of the Protestants are ethnic Brits while the majority of Catholics are Irish.

    How much does the ethnicity (or race or tribe) of Sunni vs. Shia play into it, if at all?
    , @This Is Our Home
    All the Jews I know much prefer Shia Islam to the Sunni variety. Is this a problem for you?
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  103. @ChrisD
    I think you're 'overthinking' this too much. Most people who commit crimes and pledge allegiance to ISIS don't have a clue about Islam except the notions of 'West = evil' 'Stop bombing my homeland' etc. This guy was an insecure, mentally unstable self-hating homo Muslim who obviously snapped multiple times at his wives. The FBI found a 'significant amount' of ISIS propaganda on his web browser and downloaded online. This goes to show you how pervasive ISIS is on the interwebs and how easy it is to recruit 'lone wolf' attackers such as this guy, the guy in Sydney, and those across Europe.

    This guy was no Muslim and nor was the nutbag in Sydney. They are patsies selected by the FBI in the US or here in Oz the Federal Police. I can as good as prove our federal police are in control of Takfirism here in Australia and I have seen exactly how they’re going round questioning Muslims in Australia on the flimsiest of grounds, literally for being Muslim nothing else. The info is being collated and the best patsies selected from the reports thus generated. It is the absolute truth and I have been witness to these illegal human rights abuses by the feds myself. I sent them away with their tails between their legs by giving them info proving our government and hence their employer was complicit in ISIS recruitment in Australia.

    Their huge mistake was to know so little about Islam, they too didn’t realise Sunnis and Shias are not the same creature by a huge margin.

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  104. @Art

    Witness: "America Needs To Stop Bombing ISIS" - Orlando Shooter

    Orlando shooting victim says he played dead for 3 hours to stay alive.

    A witness who survived the terrorist attack inside the Pulse nightclub in Orlando recounts his interactions with the terrorist who held hostages on ABC's 20/20

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44868.htm

    Video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziuBhKF5DY
     

    Muslim youth - how to get racialized in America _ just watch FOX JEWS

    It is end to end anti-Muslim hate talk -- End of Story

    Problem being the USA is not bombing ISIS, something ISIS of all people know. The fact this statement was asserted to have been made or was even made, serves as further evidence this was yet another FBI controlled false flag psyop. The FBI speifically tried to censor the information that Mateen was gay. Why would they do that I wonder? unless their agenda included a narrative.

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  105. @Priss Factor
    Even after this massacre, Jews are still bitching about Trump and nationalism. They are still in globalist mode.

    Why are Jews so hostile to the idea of sturdy and strict American Citizenship?

    Why do they want to 'universalize' the notion of citizenship so that just about anyone can become American or even German or Japanese?

    Do they hate the notion of citizenship as a form of neo-Christianity?

    There was a time in Europe when Jews had to convert to Christianity in order to attain all the social, economic, and political benefits. Many Jews did this reluctantly because there was no other way to access full rights and privileges. It offended their sensibility, but they held their noses and did it because they had to in order to succeed in many avenues.
    Jews as Jews were denied certain rights. Only Jews-as-converts-to-Christianity could gain full rights.

    In 1965, Jews changed immigration laws so that non-whites could come to US in big numbers to gain citizenship. Back then, Jews were on the side of the Law, the legal process of becoming citizens. Even if the new immigration laws would have negative impact on whites, there was still the Rule of Law at least.

    But as yrs passed by, even the legal process is reviled as a hindrance to 'human rights' to Jews. Even the requirement that immigrants apply and arrive legally and then gain rights through the legal process is anathema to many Jews.

    Many Jews now insist on total open borders. They say the notion of 'illegal alien' is an affront to human dignity. They say even an illegal immigrant is more American than native-born Americans since US is a 'nation of immigrants'(or future immigrants as opposed to past immigrants). San Francisco is even moving to grant voting rights to illegal aliens.
    So, even the Rule of Law is now seen as an unjust obstacle. Even the notion of national citizenship is problematic to Jews who now promote the notion of global citizen of the world. (But then, people who think homos qualify for marriage would likely think illegals qualify for full citizenship rights.)
    Jews feel no special attachment to any piece of gentile land. They just see the
    concept of national citizenship in gentile lands as culturally and politically excluding Jews in spirit if not in letter. After all, German citizenship means Germany belongs to Germans primarily. Japanese citizenship means Japan belongs to Japanese primarily.
    It assumes that minorities like Jews, even if allowed full freedoms, don't belong as much.

    Also, by encouraging immigration to US from all over the world, Jews hope to turn these newcomers into Janissary-like agent-collaborators of globalism who will then export the Jewish-Homo or Jomo Agenda to their home countries. So, the Glob virus is now spreading in Mexico(that has 'gay marriage'), China, India, Vietnam, Poland, and all nations that sent many people to the US.

    After coming under the influence of US education and US media --- both controlled by Jews and homos ---, the children of the immigrants(especially East Asian drones and running dogs) turn into willing & servile agents of Globalism. (Muslims seem to be the only exception as their immigrant children sometimes turn 'radical' and fight against Zio-Globalist Imperialism as Omar Mateen seems to have done. He went overboard, but he is to be lauded for resisting the power of Glob, just like the Tsarnaev brothers who returned to the values of their forefathers against the sick tide of Jewish-Homo control of America).

    It could be that Jews feel the same way about national citizenship. They associate it with special privileges that once belonged ONLY to Christians.

    Of course, this doesn't apply to Israel. Over there, only Jewish immigrants are allowed. Indeed, any Jew around the world is granted immediate citizenship upon arriving in Israel. Arabs already in Israel are allowed to be Israeli citizens, but no new Arabs are allowed to immigrate to Israel and become Israelis. Arab citizens can only increase through births whereas Jewish citizens in Israel can be multiply by both birth and immigration.

    Jews seek to expand the meaning of citizenship to eventually destroy the whole concept, at least in gentile nations.
    It's like what the disgusting Jewish lesbian hag pushed 'gay marriage' to eventually destroy the institution of marriage itself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP3k9KZOAmE

    Once anything is 'marriage', marriage no longer has any value. It's like if you want to destroy the value of currency, just let anyone print their own money. When everyone has all the money to buy everything, they won't be able to buy anything since the money no longer has any value since anyone can print it.
    Likewise, once marriage is whatever people say it is, it has no value.

    And once citizenship is a matter to be decided by whomever, it no longer has any value.
    If an illegal says, "I'm just as American as any American citizen", then the next step is everyone outside the US can say, "I'm just as American as anyone who illegally entered America. I just haven't done it yet."

    If a Mexican who enters US illegally is just as American as any gringo, then ALL Mexicans in Mexico are just as American too since all they have to do is illegally cross the border.

    But if every illegal Mexican is American, then the meaning of illegality goes out the window. Illegal is made legal, just like 'gay marriage' is made into real marriage.

    Sick world under the domination of crazy Jews.

    I think around 10% of Jews are sane, but the 90% that loves Hillary?

    Geez.

    This psyop was a Jewish hand behind it you clown. Talk about cluelessness, you’re one of their favorite kinds of puppets.

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    Psyop?

    Where's the proof?

    If you offer proof, I will believe it.
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  106. @Unapologetic White Man
    It didn't take the cops 3 hours to go into the bar. It took the bureaucrats who have to give clearance in a hostage situation that long to give them the go-ahead.

    Facts are your friend.

    There’s a chain of command. A Police chain of command. They have operational control and responsibility. No whining. For 3 hours the cops did nothing and that is inexcusable. Discipline. Firing. Charges. Failure of duty. Assuming this is a law-abiding professional police force.

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    By way of implication I already pointed out that there's a chain of command, and I expressly said that at the top of that chain is a damned bureaucrat (who is undoubtedly consulting with city attorneys as things unfold). They can't go in until given the green light. This is a fact.
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  107. Travis says:

    Omar was consistent in his allegiance to ISIL leading up to the shooting, and during the attack.

    Before the attacks he posted on social media “You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic State vengeance”

    During the attacks Omar called 911 and stated his allegiance to ISIS. He also posted to Facebook “America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic State”and “I pledge my alliance to (ISIS leader) abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me,” and “You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance.” and his demand to the hostage negotiator was to “stop bombing my country, Afghanistan.

    He was clearly dedicated to ISIS and wanted to die a martyr. Yet it is possible some of the victims died from the police gunfire. An off-duty policeman engaged Omar with gunfire a minute after Omar started shooting, and 15 minutes later another officer showed up and they again engaged fired inside the club to force Omar into the bathroom. 20 inures later the SWAT team arrived and tried to negotiate with the terrorist for 2 hours, before again engaging in gunfire. Could be that the police and then the SWAT team killed come of the victims with friendly fire.

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  108. @joe webb
    I see you do not see my reference to "white Liberal race traitors." You only see, thru your subjective and handicapped brain, Jews.

    There is civil war coming and in the civil war, jews and race traitors will be shot while the untermenschen will be guided homeward.There is no place like home.

    You are obviously a jew and a troll, but that's ok, you are just doing what comes naturally, and I am all for naturalism. Enemies are killed, Friends are loved, and the vast number of 'don't knows' are negotiated with.

    I will not live long enough to participate in the killing phase of civil war, but we are entering the first phase, which is that of occasional assassination, Word Bullets, and so on. Hatreds are growing and That is Good. Read the jewyorktimes, etc. They refer to people like me as bugs coming out of the woodwork. Very well.

    You jews and race traitors want to squash us. We will squash you first since you started it, both now, and a half century and more ago with the Race Equality Lies....all just a jewish tactic to get Whites fighting over Negroes, and to get themselves into the US thru immigration law, of which the crown on the shit-pile was the 1965 Immigration Act. Enter the shit people following the Jews to the Promised Land of Free Money and Darkie Worship. Of course, for Jews, blacks are just schwartzes, but what the hey, it's a free country .

    Like Kipling's The Wrath of the Awakened Anglo-Saxon.

    last stanza...It was not suddenly bred./It will not swiftly abate./ Through the chilled years ahead,/When Time shall count from the date/That the Saxon began to hate.

    WE are slow to anger, but when we do, we are berserkers and more clear-headed captains. Jews have always hated. Hatred is what keeps you going. It is all in the OT. Then there is the Talmud, in which Jesus, son of a whore and a Roman soldier, boils in human excrement for all eternity. There is a great comic bit in The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones, in which the rabbi of Paris is questioned about this passage and a few others. The Queen of France, presided...about 1330. The Rabbi says, yes it is is there, but we meant not your Jesus Chist but another Jesus Christ, like Louie is the kIng of France but there are many French Louises around.

    This reminds me of a Mort Sahl or Lennie Bruce bit...you know , jewish humor. But the butt of their jokes is always a goyim. Funny nonetheless. Anyway, the joke of the 21st Century will be the counter-revolution in which among white race traitors, the jews will also discover that Nemesis has them in mind.

    That! is some Hate. You hate, I just laugh and enjoy the bad times coming for the jews, race traitors, grifters, globalists and money men of all denominations. The biggest Deadly Sin is Pride, which is a Christian contribution to Socratic Understanding of self.

    Jews are Pride Incarnate, and will be punished, as I like to quote Thomas Mann in his Doctor Faustus....Real Jewish Trouble is coming...that was back in the 20s (?). The nice thing about the jews is that they never learn. It is genetic.

    I would very much appreciate it if you would include the comedy bit from Mort Sahl or Lenny Bruce, even the just of it as best you can. Thanks

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  109. L.K says:
    @Jeanne
    Bottom line, the U.S. must close our gates to nations we have nothing in common....third world countries. NO CITIZENSHIP to those that we have nothing in common.

    The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. NO MORE political correctness.
    We must return to God's Word, instructions, wisdom. We are to be kind to visitors, but NO CITIZENSHIP to foreign third world nations.

    If a racist is a person that wants to preserve their civilized culture, their heredity, their language, their FAITH, then you may call me a racist....so be it.

    “Bottom line, the U.S. must close our gates to nations we have nothing in common….third world countries.”

    Well, Jeanne, then you zamericans must GTFO of the rest of the world first!

    Including getting the hell out of Europe, which ZUSA have been busy destroying for nearly a century now.

    Stop with the economic imperialism as well, stop funding the most sellout members of local elites in various countries to turn their countries into US clients at the expense of the people….

    Ultimately, what u ZUSAn clowns just DON’T GET is that this sort of immigration/refugee processes r largely the result of Empire. BTw, a lot of it is PLANNED, by your oligarchy of course.

    Until you people change your ways, avg zamerican zombies will keep paying the price.
    Mark my words.

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  110. No_0ne says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Bring our troops and drones home from Muslim countries AND exclude admitted Muslims (and anyone from a country with Muslim majority) from Western lands.

    If I might suggest a more succinct formulation:
    “Don’t bomb ‘em over there.
    Don’t bring ‘em over here.”

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    vs.

    'invade and invite'

    ~ the mantra of our elites ~

    bomb them into smithereens and slaughter their families and leaders

    and then invite them to come live next door to the working class family whose son was sent over there to kill them

    The best analogy for what our elites are doing is Michael Vick with his dogs. Only instead of dogs, Soros and co. are using us humans for their entertainment.
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  111. @Ned Ludlam
    There's a chain of command. A Police chain of command. They have operational control and responsibility. No whining. For 3 hours the cops did nothing and that is inexcusable. Discipline. Firing. Charges. Failure of duty. Assuming this is a law-abiding professional police force.

    By way of implication I already pointed out that there’s a chain of command, and I expressly said that at the top of that chain is a damned bureaucrat (who is undoubtedly consulting with city attorneys as things unfold). They can’t go in until given the green light. This is a fact.

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    I accept your point. There are typically civilian bureaucrats at the top. And they are a blight and should be held to account. In Toronto though and at the federal RCMP level, civilian review boards are never involved in active incidents. Front line operations are the domain of sworn peace officers. At the very least, they have a duty to properly resist interference.
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  112. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @Rabbitnexus
    This psyop was a Jewish hand behind it you clown. Talk about cluelessness, you're one of their favorite kinds of puppets.

    Psyop?

    Where’s the proof?

    If you offer proof, I will believe it.

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  113. tbraton says:
    @Jeanne
    Bottom line, the U.S. must close our gates to nations we have nothing in common....third world countries. NO CITIZENSHIP to those that we have nothing in common.

    The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. NO MORE political correctness.
    We must return to God's Word, instructions, wisdom. We are to be kind to visitors, but NO CITIZENSHIP to foreign third world nations.

    If a racist is a person that wants to preserve their civilized culture, their heredity, their language, their FAITH, then you may call me a racist....so be it.

    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. ”

    I believe that the number of Americans who were Jewish was between 1000 and 2500 in 1776, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop1.html, and the numbers didn’t start growing substantially until the latter part of the 19th century when the U.S. was already a great country. As far as we know, there were no Jews at the Constitutional Convention, just Puerto Ricans like Alexander Hamilton and the other Founding Fathers. I wonder when they are going to discover the version of the Federalist Papers written in hip-hop.

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  114. tbraton says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    "...check the backgrounds and religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers."

    You mean the ones who massacred Indians, those who traded and owned slaves, and those who conscripted men into the army to fight for the interests of the conscriptors? What kind of Christians were they anyway???

    Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?

    Furthermore, could you be specific about which "Founding Fathers" you are referring to? Just because some may have claimed to be Christians doesn't mean they "founded" the country for that reason. If you think otherwise, kindly present evidence and make it specific, not some vague romantic mythological blather.

    “Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?”

    I hope you realize that there were many Christian sects back then, many of whom came to America to escape persecution from the established Church back in Europe, whether the RC Church or the Church of England. One of the most persecuted sects in the early days of the Republic were the Baptists.

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    I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question.

    I also hope you realize that to understand my comment you would be wise to go back to the original comment about who/what founded the country and what their motives were.
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  115. Randal says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    The homosexual lobby wouldn't like my explanation. (You really don't understand where that lobby is going with this, do you?) Your other point is obviously true but insufficient to explain the specific act.

    The homosexual lobby wouldn’t like my explanation. (You really don’t understand where that lobby is going with this, do you?)

    The homosexual lobby doesn’t have a particularly coherent position on this, beyond wanting to ensure they are the headline victims. But the whole “homophobes are closet homos” thing is one of their favourite and most effective tools.

    Your other point is obviously true but insufficient to explain the specific act.

    It’s more than sufficient to identify the steps needed to be taken in response to this act. And it has the advantage of being self-evidently true rather than based upon, as I said, dubious psychological speculation.

    Tactically, I can see the appeal for those who care only about the muslim issue of trying to forge some kind of alliance with the homosexual lobby against islam (or even just drive a wedge into the leftist de facto alliance between them), but while it’s superficially attractive, setting us (the west) up as a gay society in opposition to muslims is a losing proposition, imo, in the long run. Not all societies and people are as meekly propagandised on the homosexuality issue as the liberal democracies of the US sphere.

    And it won’t work anyway. Establish him as a closet homo and they’ll just insist it’s conservative society that made him that way. It’s still all about them, rather than the real issue – which is invade the world and invite the world.

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  116. joe webb says:

    Alligators in Florida….a few years ago I visited the Everglades and discovered that they are vastly overrated. I also learned that at that time there were about one and one-half million alligators in Florida, plus a bonus of about 10% of that amount of gators as crocodiles which are even scarier.

    I firmly believe in Evolution. Evolution really should pull the plug on both species, at least in the Northern Hemisphere. They don’t belong here. Maybe Africa is OK because it is just weird there anyway.
    ——-
    Listening to the news tonight, One America News I think, and a bit to the right of Fox to boot, I learned that the immediate pond wherein the two year old homo sapiens was snatched by about a 6 foot gator, aforesaid pond yielded about a half dozen gators fitting the description of the one who kidnapped the toddler. They also apparently found the child, uneaten and merely drowned.

    [MORE]

    The phenomenon of an alligator or croc eating a human I object to. I mean Great White sharks I give a pass cuz it is their territory, the oceans.. North America is our territory. Sort of like North America is White Man’s territory. I hear the Humanity types screaming about amerindians. Got news for them, any Stone Age people was going to get run over by Europeans or Chinks. It is that simple. A case of Evolution that makes sense as opposed to gators and crocs eating us. And, to be sure, the amerindians were lucky that it was we Whites, and not the chinks who got here first.

    We did schools for the injuns, while the chinks simply would have eaten them, like gators and crocs. Another story. Speaking of eating and gators, they don’t even taste like chicken. They taste not good, so they are good for absolutely nothing. You get gator nuggets or something in that part of the woods, low rent food for sure.

    So, getting back to the news, the captured gators are being put on a Watch List. They are going to be examined to try to ascertain which one is guilty of homo sapiens snatching. Teeth marks maybe on the child, and dental exams of the gators. I am not making this up.

    So, the Animal Rights battalions must be taken into consideration. This is kin to the Bilious Billary and Obongo go -go types who foam at the mouth over rounding up Islamic nuts and just sending them home. Or, just simply stopping all of them period, or sending the whole looney tunes muzzie pack back where they came from.

    Any sane people , with regard to the gators on the Watch List, would simply kill every one of them and be done with it. Then, the cavalier attitude of Floridians about gators…they just let them wander around golf courses, and so on…should be subject to review.

    I go along with OT Jehovah with HIs Kill Them All attitude toward animals anyway, who have no redeeming qualities. I mean, they do not sing, they croak. They are as ugly as any critter can be. They are cannibals. They make me cringe, like snakes do. I stood next to 4 foot gator interloper on a path for humans in the Everglades. We eyed one-another. I wanted to kick him real bad. But, I did not want to get bitten. It squatted motionless, I stood, and we eyeballed each other for about 5 minutes. Finally, he backed down and slithered off my human path.

    From an elevated platform made for humans, one could look down on the hundreds of gators and crocs doing absolutely nothing down below. They looked like turds spread around on the Gods green turf.

    Kill them All is my position. Watch List for gators is more insane than watch Watch Lists for terrorists. Kill the alligators, and send all the Islamic nut cases home: no more molly-coddling.

    Kill the gators, also the crocs, or at least kill them when they roam around on our turf. Muzzies on our turf are dangerous. So are Jews, but there is nothing we can do about that now. Muzzies can be shipped out tout-suite, and the White Race Traitors can squawk about Humanity. Let them follow the muzzies back where they came from and teach them , say, about Democracy and Nation Building. Putting their money/lives where their mouths are.

    That is Real Rainbow Humanity at Work. The liberal Mission to the Arabs , Afghanis, etc, etc.

    Joe Webb

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    A case of Evolution that makes sense as opposed to gators and crocs eating us. And, to be sure, the amerindians were lucky that it was we Whites, and not the chinks who got here first
     
    and look at what we've done since we've gotten here Joe, and genocided the Amerindians off the lands and taken them for ourselves to do with as we please. So be it, that's the way of evolution. But then what? What have we done with the land of North America, in particular these formerly United States, Joe?

    I'll tell ya what we've done.. we've ravaged the place. We've polluted the lakes and rivers and wiped out the ecological bounty. We've driven the wolves and bears and moose and beaver and buffalo and all manor of magnificent species to the brink and beyond. And there's no end in sight. It certainly looks like the soul of the white, European man is devoid of an appreciation for the wonders of creation. The American Indian found spiritual meaning in the sound of the flowing river and the ineffable wonder of the beasts and fellow denizens they were blessed to share this life and land with. The eagle in the sky and the panther in the grass. The white man prefers to see these wonders recreated at assorted amusement parks out of paper-mâché and robotics and computer generated on a screen with vibrating seats, in air-conditioned and controlled environments with personnel telling them to stay within the yellow lines for safety. That's how the white man appreciates nature, in exchange for a few shekels and parking at $20.00.

    And that's fine, I guess, but the tragic thing is that there's no end in sight. The white man's greed is infinite, and his appreciation for the life that had lived on this continent for millions of years before he got here is devoid, to the point of aggressively wanting to destroy every last ancient tree and swamp and blade of grass and reptile and wild animal and replace it with some plastic version that will require bi-annual maintenance trips at a very discounted rate.

    Say what you want about the savagery of the Amerindian tribes, and some of it is definitely true. But then again, those people lived on this continent for thousands of years, and always left it pristine for the next generations. Look what the white man has done in just a few hundred, with the ecology on the brink and some of them calling for more and more deliberate extinctions because some of the species can be dangerous!

    What would you have mankind do? Erase all of the dangers from nature off the North American continent so that you could go out with no fear of being bitten or scratched by the last Florida panther?

    If humans would contain their numbers and ravages upon the natural world to strictly defined borders, and allow the rest of creation to continue to thrive (for the sake of future generations of humans, if it's beyond you to understand that these species have a right to exist for their own sakes), then sure, I'd have no problem with them exterminating the alligators and crocodiles within their little Disney Lands and gated communities. But the problem is that they don't want to contain their greed- and mindless, soulless rape of the land into asphalt and concrete and plastic. They want to see every last natural place exploited for human gain, or to them, it's just being wasted.

    I find this mentality to be an enormity of the most depraved kind, and a terrible sin against the next generations, for whom some might just have an appreciation for nature just as God or providence created it, dangers and all.

    But that's just me. ;)
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    bar — really — 3 hours?????
     
    Maybe their boots got stuck in the dried semen?

    LOL! *Ssshhhhhluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurk* !!

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  118. The FBI put an “informant” on him for 10 months, most likely trying to get him to make a move. That’s what they always do. This office down there has done it a bunch of times. They get a call about somebody who is unstable and they try and set up a sting/entrapment, with the “informant” most of the time coming up with the plot.

    The information from the FBI isn’t worth considering. They probably have hours of tapes and transcripts and can cherry pick it any way they want. Well I guess it’s worth considering why they don’t want you to believe he is a real ISIS dude, but it’s pretty obvious why they don’t want people to think that.

    One big point against it being all about killing gays;

    He let a bunch of Black people live and told them that he didn’t have a problem with black people because they had been slaves. If he was targeting this club to kill gay people, why would he care about the color of their skin?

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  119. @Rabbitnexus
    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism. It is EXACTLY as the article stated, it is the most ludicrous and impossible position to assert support for ANY Shia group and even a moderatly pious let alone extremist Sunni group. Takfiris which is what ISIS are, are in another galaxy again there as they are extremist Wahhabis and previous to them, nobody hated Shias and had caused us greater suffering than their Satanic sect. For the record, Wahhabism was rejected more than 100 years ago by all five schools of Islamic thought, as Kharajites, meaning NOT OF US and it is irrevocable. They owe their existence to Lawrence of Arabia who hauled them away from a deserved death and installed them along with the recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud and his clan of cutthroat sand pirates and slave traders. Protocol around Mecca and Medina stays the hand of Islam against these devils, so long as they do not block our acces to them. It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today. Our Prophet warned us about them, they are the devils from Najd. The truth about Shia Islam is the opposite of what the m,ajority Sunnis pretend to believe. I am a convert and initially was Sunni by default. I did the research and discovered the truth is not shrouded in mystery it isn't complicated and it is nothing like the majority belief which is nurtured today by the Zionist and Western media which aligns itself with the Sunni majority frankly because they find Sunnis more familiar, due to their tendency to be flexible in their beleifs and thinking and more attuned to men's laws than Allah's. It is Shias who have most precisely and truly adhered to true Islam. They are in fact descended from the family and closest companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Sunnis arose from a deceptive power game which was enacted just before the death of Muhammad (SAW) by an assassin turned convert and who soon became the second Caliph after the death of our beloved Prophet. Shias never deviated from the Quran as it is written whilst Sunnis have repeatedly altered teachings and practices according to the whims of men, such as that second Caliph Umar who as one of his first acts banned a practice of temporary marriages which whilst it seems odd today, had a place then and in Iran today is fascinatingly used to circumvent the very restrictive laws of contact between men and women who are unmarried. It has allowed couples who are engaged to go on dates together and to develop their relationship before marriage in a way Sunnis cannot without breaching Islamic laws. However it does not mean these couple engage in sex, such license isn't even dreamt of, just the chance to move with the times somewhat. The Sunnis instead have since invented another thing called "Travellers Marriage" which is purely used for sexual license. Allah is wisest and His Quran gave us all we needed, even regarding dealing with a future thousands of years hence as now. It is interestingly more possible for Shias to move and evolve in the modern world whilst following Islam than for Sunnis, specifically because of changes Sunnis made to the teachings. It should make people stop and wonder that it is Shia Islam which our corrupt and incompetent leadership in the West persistently assaults and undermines. This is simply because Shias as True Muslims will never assimilate with the West. Believe it or not, despite current appearances, the Sunnis will and are.

    I have issues with the rest of what you wrote, I disagree in shjort with your entire comment, you worked hard on it but it is factually lacking. You reject some evidnece which has the best of provenance but it appears that is because you actually haven't been following things very closely. However my main point was to make clear your comments about why the article is wrong on Islamic matters is totally false and needs to be corrected for the sake of truth.

    I might add as an aside to your remark about Afghanistanis and what are termed "Bakaa Bereesh" or dancing boys, that you are somewhat correct in that certain tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan does see a fair bit of this, it is entrenched although things are startung to change. My own assumption from the outset, when I merely guessed Mateen was gay from his "vamping" in his selfies, was that the father being connected to the levels of power that he is, would be a prime candidate for using such services as "dancing boys" provide and by merely applying assumptions based on humanity and a long life so far, rather than some Islamic interpretation; that the father had probably abused the son. That would answer why the son was actually gay and not just a "boy b@ggerer" as these creeps somehow manage to make mean they're not gay just tough men. Also why the father might have personal reasons, besides possible conflicting roles, to paint a different picture of things too.

    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism.

    But Anatoly Karlin is an expert on Islam. He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.

    And he watched the Disney movie Aladdin multiple times!

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    Glad to hear I am living rent free in your head.

    He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.
     
    I never said I had lived in London. Idiot.
    , @This Is Our Home
    You are my number one nomination for stupidest man alive. Do you even get paid for exhibiting your stratospheric levels of paranoid mental illness? Who on earth defaults to everything is a conspiracy? So bizarre. If you're ever in London I'll happily buy you a drink for the entertainment.
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  120. @Unapologetic White Man
    It didn't take the cops 3 hours to go into the bar. It took the bureaucrats who have to give clearance in a hostage situation that long to give them the go-ahead.

    Facts are your friend.

    In my state, the response protocol to an active shooter situation is for the first four patrol officers on scene to form a “go” team and immediately enter the building and actively seek out and engage the shooter(s). The Incident Command System establishes an incident commander (typically an on-duty shift Sgt.) who then takes responsibility for directing the other assets as they arrive. There was no need for clearance from the Admin. It was my understanding that this doctrine was pretty much the national standard of practice. Guess not.

    This protocol arose after Columbine, where there was a long delay between the initial killings, the arrival of SWAT, and the eventual deployment of SWAT. Even a full-time dedicated SWAT team takes time to arrive, assemble, and gear up, by which time most active shooter incidents are long over, hence the adoption of an immediate response plan by patrol. Outside of major cities, most departments don’t have a full-time SWAT team, and the response time (and level of training) of these part-time SWAT officers is significantly different from that of a dedicated team.

    Once the “go” team(s) have entered the building, if the shooting has stopped and the shooter is holed up in a defensible position (with or without hostages) the patrol officers are directed NOT to continue to engage, but instead to form a perimeter inside the building to contain the suspect to the smallest possible area and wait for SWAT and the negotiator element to arrive. So the response varies depending on the suspect’s actions. Is he actively shooting people or is he holding hostages in a static situation and looking to talk? Police response is dictated by suspect’s actions.

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  121. Seraphim says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Incidentally, I'm waiting for Masha Gessen's article on how the roots of Omar Mateen's rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    Rather, ‘Putin did it’!

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  122. “…and I responded with the simple fact that Founding Fathers were in fact “white” and (nominally) Christian.”

    Some were not Christians, but deists. Does that mean that they intended the country to be deist?

    Say for instance, that I’m a Christian and I build an outhouse. Does that mean I intended it to be an exclusively Christian outhouse?

    I asked for specific bits of info proving that the FF established this country as a Christian country as was claimed. Instead, you merely offered proof that many of the the FFs held “Christian” beliefs, which everyone already knows.

    If you can, please provide proof of or evidence for the original assertion,i.e., “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.” You have already proven that it was not founded only by Christians (some were deists), and you never addressed the part of the claim that it was intended only for white Judeo Christians.

    It looks like you got all huffed up and made another erroneous, unprovable claim: “Judaism has very little commonality with Christianity” and that idea would be hilarious if it were not a glaring display of ignorance. What have you to say for yourself about that?

    FYI, Christ was a Jew, a rabbi, in fact. “Christianity” was, in fact, originally a Jewish sect, and many of the key teachings overlap, such as the idea of the existence of one supreme divinity and the concept of the “Golden Rule” as expressed by Rabbi Hillel the Elder when he said, a couple of centuries before Christ,”That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow…”

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    Some were not Christians, but deists. Does that mean that they intended the country to be deist?

    For the most part "We the People" were religious and philosophical Christians - our Deist leaders were philosophical Christians. They shared the idealism of Christianity – the shared the idea that free people can organize themselves without top-down kings. No other religion/philosophy can make that claim.

    Our Deist leaders where men of science – they where can do people – they were Newtonians and Lockeans. Both Newton and Locke were Christians, surrounded by Christian intellectual culture.

    America was immersed in Christianity – it is a lie and intellectually dishonest to say differently.

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  123. Clyde says:
    @Kiza
    I would appreciate it if any of the moronic and/or Hasbara trolls who claim that Hamas/Hezbollah and ISIS cooperate, to give us one example of such cooperation.

    It is so hard to be constantly avoiding the Hasbara pollution of every intelligent debate.

    But I know of at least one big difference between ISIS and Hamas/Hezbollah: the state of Israel supports ISIS and the state of Israel fights Hamas/Hezbollah.

    You speak of Hasbara trolls while you are one of the most obvious. Good try at deflection! Phil Giraldi is a nice and permissive guy otherwise he would ban you.

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    Please recommend me for banning because you, oh know so much. An invasion of Hasbara trolls and worse and worse characters commenting at unz.com. If Mr. Giraldi decided to weed out trolls, you could find yourself in the basket first, not to mention Saker (you do not even know which article you are commenting on).

    I expected such response in place of an example of Hezbollah and ISIS cooperation. I touched the raw Hasbara nerve by mentioning that Israel supports ISIS (medical assistance, bombing of SAA at the opportune moments etc).

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  124. Rurik says:
    @No_0ne
    If I might suggest a more succinct formulation:
    "Don't bomb 'em over there.
    Don't bring 'em over here."

    vs.

    ‘invade and invite’

    ~ the mantra of our elites ~

    bomb them into smithereens and slaughter their families and leaders

    and then invite them to come live next door to the working class family whose son was sent over there to kill them

    The best analogy for what our elites are doing is Michael Vick with his dogs. Only instead of dogs, Soros and co. are using us humans for their entertainment.

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    "Only instead of dogs, Soros and co. are using us humans for their entertainment."

    Bingo! You nailed it.
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  125. @Unapologetic White Man
    By way of implication I already pointed out that there's a chain of command, and I expressly said that at the top of that chain is a damned bureaucrat (who is undoubtedly consulting with city attorneys as things unfold). They can't go in until given the green light. This is a fact.

    I accept your point. There are typically civilian bureaucrats at the top. And they are a blight and should be held to account. In Toronto though and at the federal RCMP level, civilian review boards are never involved in active incidents. Front line operations are the domain of sworn peace officers. At the very least, they have a duty to properly resist interference.

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  126. Rurik says:
    @Rabbitnexus
    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism. It is EXACTLY as the article stated, it is the most ludicrous and impossible position to assert support for ANY Shia group and even a moderatly pious let alone extremist Sunni group. Takfiris which is what ISIS are, are in another galaxy again there as they are extremist Wahhabis and previous to them, nobody hated Shias and had caused us greater suffering than their Satanic sect. For the record, Wahhabism was rejected more than 100 years ago by all five schools of Islamic thought, as Kharajites, meaning NOT OF US and it is irrevocable. They owe their existence to Lawrence of Arabia who hauled them away from a deserved death and installed them along with the recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud and his clan of cutthroat sand pirates and slave traders. Protocol around Mecca and Medina stays the hand of Islam against these devils, so long as they do not block our acces to them. It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today. Our Prophet warned us about them, they are the devils from Najd. The truth about Shia Islam is the opposite of what the m,ajority Sunnis pretend to believe. I am a convert and initially was Sunni by default. I did the research and discovered the truth is not shrouded in mystery it isn't complicated and it is nothing like the majority belief which is nurtured today by the Zionist and Western media which aligns itself with the Sunni majority frankly because they find Sunnis more familiar, due to their tendency to be flexible in their beleifs and thinking and more attuned to men's laws than Allah's. It is Shias who have most precisely and truly adhered to true Islam. They are in fact descended from the family and closest companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Sunnis arose from a deceptive power game which was enacted just before the death of Muhammad (SAW) by an assassin turned convert and who soon became the second Caliph after the death of our beloved Prophet. Shias never deviated from the Quran as it is written whilst Sunnis have repeatedly altered teachings and practices according to the whims of men, such as that second Caliph Umar who as one of his first acts banned a practice of temporary marriages which whilst it seems odd today, had a place then and in Iran today is fascinatingly used to circumvent the very restrictive laws of contact between men and women who are unmarried. It has allowed couples who are engaged to go on dates together and to develop their relationship before marriage in a way Sunnis cannot without breaching Islamic laws. However it does not mean these couple engage in sex, such license isn't even dreamt of, just the chance to move with the times somewhat. The Sunnis instead have since invented another thing called "Travellers Marriage" which is purely used for sexual license. Allah is wisest and His Quran gave us all we needed, even regarding dealing with a future thousands of years hence as now. It is interestingly more possible for Shias to move and evolve in the modern world whilst following Islam than for Sunnis, specifically because of changes Sunnis made to the teachings. It should make people stop and wonder that it is Shia Islam which our corrupt and incompetent leadership in the West persistently assaults and undermines. This is simply because Shias as True Muslims will never assimilate with the West. Believe it or not, despite current appearances, the Sunnis will and are.

    I have issues with the rest of what you wrote, I disagree in shjort with your entire comment, you worked hard on it but it is factually lacking. You reject some evidnece which has the best of provenance but it appears that is because you actually haven't been following things very closely. However my main point was to make clear your comments about why the article is wrong on Islamic matters is totally false and needs to be corrected for the sake of truth.

    I might add as an aside to your remark about Afghanistanis and what are termed "Bakaa Bereesh" or dancing boys, that you are somewhat correct in that certain tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan does see a fair bit of this, it is entrenched although things are startung to change. My own assumption from the outset, when I merely guessed Mateen was gay from his "vamping" in his selfies, was that the father being connected to the levels of power that he is, would be a prime candidate for using such services as "dancing boys" provide and by merely applying assumptions based on humanity and a long life so far, rather than some Islamic interpretation; that the father had probably abused the son. That would answer why the son was actually gay and not just a "boy b@ggerer" as these creeps somehow manage to make mean they're not gay just tough men. Also why the father might have personal reasons, besides possible conflicting roles, to paint a different picture of things too.

    It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today.

    “recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud”

    “blood feud”

    “genocide”

    Interesting post Rabbitnexus

    is there a racial component to the rift between Sunni and Shia?

    I’ve always wondered about that, being as the most prominent Shias are Persians while the most notorious Sunnis are Arab. Wondering if it isn’t sort of like the division between the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, where so many of the Protestants are ethnic Brits while the majority of Catholics are Irish.

    How much does the ethnicity (or race or tribe) of Sunni vs. Shia play into it, if at all?

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    Dear Rurik,

    If I may...there was possibly a 'blood feud' angle when the Ummayads were in power, but that was less so once the Abbasids took over (one of their claims of legitimacy being descent from Abbas [ra], the uncle of the Prophet [pbuh]).

    For most of (Islamic) history, Persia was Sunni (mostly of the Shaf'i school) and produced some of the greatest minds:
    1. In scholarship; people like Imams Abu Hanifa, Razi, Ghazali, Baqillani, Taftazani, etc. (may God raise their ranks) were all Sunni
    2. In mysticism; Imams Junaid, Shams Tabriz, Bayazid Bustami, etc. (may God raise their ranks) were all Sunni
    3. Even their most famous Persian poets like Attar, Saadi, Rumi, etc. were all Sunni

    So what happened? In one word:

    the Safavids

    ...who adopted Shi'ism as official state creed (in order to distinguish themselves from Sunni Ottomans, Mughals and various Khanates):

    The ultimate result was, however, the formation of a distinctively Persian state dedicated to the propagation of Shiʿism. Although coercion played a large part in the initial stages of this venture, it is plain that far more was involved in the profound and lasting assimilation of Shiʿism that took place, which transformed Persia and made of it the principal stronghold and even—in an ahistorical sense—the homeland of Shiʿism.
    It was, however, nothing less than a reign of terror that inaugurated the new dispensation. On capturing Tabriz in 907/1501, a city two-thirds Sunnite in population, Shah Esmāʿil threatened with death all who might resist the adoption of Shiʿite prayer ritual in the main congregational mosque, and he had Qezelbāš soldiers patrol the congregation to ensure that none raise his voice against the cursing of the first three caliphs, viewed as enemies of the Prophet’s family. In Tabriz and elsewhere, gangs of professional execrators known as the tabarrāʾiān would accost the townsfolk at random, forcing them to curse the objectionable personages on pain of death. Selective killings of prominent Sunnites occurred in a large number of places, notably Qazvin and Isfahan, and in Shiraz and Yazd, outright massacres took place. Sunnite mosques were desecrated, and the tombs of eminent Sunnite scholars destroyed.
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/iran-ix23-shiism-in-iran-since-the-safavids
     
    I don't blame this on Shiahs necessarily, this seems to have been a Machiavellian scheme by the rulers to establish a religio-political identity to challenge the other powers of the region.

    So the racial aspects just don't fit historically or factually.

    May God protect you and yours.
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  127. @tbraton
    "Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?"

    I hope you realize that there were many Christian sects back then, many of whom came to America to escape persecution from the established Church back in Europe, whether the RC Church or the Church of England. One of the most persecuted sects in the early days of the Republic were the Baptists.

    I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question.

    I also hope you realize that to understand my comment you would be wise to go back to the original comment about who/what founded the country and what their motives were.

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    "I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question. "

    Well, it was certainly not obvious from your message that you were asking a rhetorical question. In fact, after rereading your post, it is still not obvious that the question was "rhetorical." Maybe you and I have different understandings about what a rhetorical question is. Here is what H.W. Fowler had to say about "rhetorical question" in his "Modern English Usage": "A question is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect. The assumption is that only one answer is possible, & that if the hearer is compelled to make it mentally himself it will impress him more than the speaker's statement." Here is your question:
    "Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?” Could you point out what exactly makes that a "rhetorical question"?

    Getting to your main point, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were both products of the Enlightenment, which, for all its virtues, did have a tendency to engage in fancy rhetoric which aspired to universal grandiosity with little regard to realities. Thus, Thomas Jefferson could proclaim with a straight face that "all men are created equal" while owning hundreds of slaves and knowing full well that his intellect and education elevated him far above the lowest, poorest dirt farmer in Virginia. In the same way, the First Amendment could proclaim "freedom of religion," when the young Republic was composed overwhelmingly of Christians with just a handful of Jews and virtually no Muslims. If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation. The problem then was protecting some Christian sects, such as Roman Catholics and Baptists, from oppression from other Christian sects, such as Episcopalians and Congregationalists.

    BTW do you happen to have an academic background by any chance. The last time I was confronted with the issue of a "rhetorical question" was a few years ago when I sent out a statement posing a couple of basic, simple and direct questions re a certain issue involved in a condominium dispute. One respondent pointedly declined to answer a question, labeling it a "rhetorical question," which was certainly not my intention. I challenged him on it and got no response. Since he had a long career in academia, I concluded that it was simply a common debating tactic among academics in academia in their petty disputes to label a question from an opposing party as a "rhetorical question," without having a clue what that phrase actually meant.
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  128. @Rurik
    vs.

    'invade and invite'

    ~ the mantra of our elites ~

    bomb them into smithereens and slaughter their families and leaders

    and then invite them to come live next door to the working class family whose son was sent over there to kill them

    The best analogy for what our elites are doing is Michael Vick with his dogs. Only instead of dogs, Soros and co. are using us humans for their entertainment.

    “Only instead of dogs, Soros and co. are using us humans for their entertainment.”

    Bingo! You nailed it.

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  129. Kiza says:
    @Clyde
    You speak of Hasbara trolls while you are one of the most obvious. Good try at deflection! Phil Giraldi is a nice and permissive guy otherwise he would ban you.

    Please recommend me for banning because you, oh know so much. An invasion of Hasbara trolls and worse and worse characters commenting at unz.com. If Mr. Giraldi decided to weed out trolls, you could find yourself in the basket first, not to mention Saker (you do not even know which article you are commenting on).

    I expected such response in place of an example of Hezbollah and ISIS cooperation. I touched the raw Hasbara nerve by mentioning that Israel supports ISIS (medical assistance, bombing of SAA at the opportune moments etc).

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    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings. Pathetic! And I remember how Lenin used to talk about the useful idiots.
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  130. Rurik says:
    @joe webb
    Alligators in Florida....a few years ago I visited the Everglades and discovered that they are vastly overrated. I also learned that at that time there were about one and one-half million alligators in Florida, plus a bonus of about 10% of that amount of gators as crocodiles which are even scarier.

    I firmly believe in Evolution. Evolution really should pull the plug on both species, at least in the Northern Hemisphere. They don't belong here. Maybe Africa is OK because it is just weird there anyway.
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    Listening to the news tonight, One America News I think, and a bit to the right of Fox to boot, I learned that the immediate pond wherein the two year old homo sapiens was snatched by about a 6 foot gator, aforesaid pond yielded about a half dozen gators fitting the description of the one who kidnapped the toddler. They also apparently found the child, uneaten and merely drowned.

    The phenomenon of an alligator or croc eating a human I object to. I mean Great White sharks I give a pass cuz it is their territory, the oceans.. North America is our territory. Sort of like North America is White Man's territory. I hear the Humanity types screaming about amerindians. Got news for them, any Stone Age people was going to get run over by Europeans or Chinks. It is that simple. A case of Evolution that makes sense as opposed to gators and crocs eating us. And, to be sure, the amerindians were lucky that it was we Whites, and not the chinks who got here first.

    We did schools for the injuns, while the chinks simply would have eaten them, like gators and crocs. Another story. Speaking of eating and gators, they don't even taste like chicken. They taste not good, so they are good for absolutely nothing. You get gator nuggets or something in that part of the woods, low rent food for sure.

    So, getting back to the news, the captured gators are being put on a Watch List. They are going to be examined to try to ascertain which one is guilty of homo sapiens snatching. Teeth marks maybe on the child, and dental exams of the gators. I am not making this up.

    So, the Animal Rights battalions must be taken into consideration. This is kin to the Bilious Billary and Obongo go -go types who foam at the mouth over rounding up Islamic nuts and just sending them home. Or, just simply stopping all of them period, or sending the whole looney tunes muzzie pack back where they came from.

    Any sane people , with regard to the gators on the Watch List, would simply kill every one of them and be done with it. Then, the cavalier attitude of Floridians about gators...they just let them wander around golf courses, and so on...should be subject to review.

    I go along with OT Jehovah with HIs Kill Them All attitude toward animals anyway, who have no redeeming qualities. I mean, they do not sing, they croak. They are as ugly as any critter can be. They are cannibals. They make me cringe, like snakes do. I stood next to 4 foot gator interloper on a path for humans in the Everglades. We eyed one-another. I wanted to kick him real bad. But, I did not want to get bitten. It squatted motionless, I stood, and we eyeballed each other for about 5 minutes. Finally, he backed down and slithered off my human path.

    From an elevated platform made for humans, one could look down on the hundreds of gators and crocs doing absolutely nothing down below. They looked like turds spread around on the Gods green turf.

    Kill them All is my position. Watch List for gators is more insane than watch Watch Lists for terrorists. Kill the alligators, and send all the Islamic nut cases home: no more molly-coddling.

    Kill the gators, also the crocs, or at least kill them when they roam around on our turf. Muzzies on our turf are dangerous. So are Jews, but there is nothing we can do about that now. Muzzies can be shipped out tout-suite, and the White Race Traitors can squawk about Humanity. Let them follow the muzzies back where they came from and teach them , say, about Democracy and Nation Building. Putting their money/lives where their mouths are.

    That is Real Rainbow Humanity at Work. The liberal Mission to the Arabs , Afghanis, etc, etc.

    Joe Webb

    A case of Evolution that makes sense as opposed to gators and crocs eating us. And, to be sure, the amerindians were lucky that it was we Whites, and not the chinks who got here first

    and look at what we’ve done since we’ve gotten here Joe, and genocided the Amerindians off the lands and taken them for ourselves to do with as we please. So be it, that’s the way of evolution. But then what? What have we done with the land of North America, in particular these formerly United States, Joe?

    I’ll tell ya what we’ve done.. we’ve ravaged the place. We’ve polluted the lakes and rivers and wiped out the ecological bounty. We’ve driven the wolves and bears and moose and beaver and buffalo and all manor of magnificent species to the brink and beyond. And there’s no end in sight. It certainly looks like the soul of the white, European man is devoid of an appreciation for the wonders of creation. The American Indian found spiritual meaning in the sound of the flowing river and the ineffable wonder of the beasts and fellow denizens they were blessed to share this life and land with. The eagle in the sky and the panther in the grass. The white man prefers to see these wonders recreated at assorted amusement parks out of paper-mâché and robotics and computer generated on a screen with vibrating seats, in air-conditioned and controlled environments with personnel telling them to stay within the yellow lines for safety. That’s how the white man appreciates nature, in exchange for a few shekels and parking at $20.00.

    And that’s fine, I guess, but the tragic thing is that there’s no end in sight. The white man’s greed is infinite, and his appreciation for the life that had lived on this continent for millions of years before he got here is devoid, to the point of aggressively wanting to destroy every last ancient tree and swamp and blade of grass and reptile and wild animal and replace it with some plastic version that will require bi-annual maintenance trips at a very discounted rate.

    Say what you want about the savagery of the Amerindian tribes, and some of it is definitely true. But then again, those people lived on this continent for thousands of years, and always left it pristine for the next generations. Look what the white man has done in just a few hundred, with the ecology on the brink and some of them calling for more and more deliberate extinctions because some of the species can be dangerous!

    What would you have mankind do? Erase all of the dangers from nature off the North American continent so that you could go out with no fear of being bitten or scratched by the last Florida panther?

    If humans would contain their numbers and ravages upon the natural world to strictly defined borders, and allow the rest of creation to continue to thrive (for the sake of future generations of humans, if it’s beyond you to understand that these species have a right to exist for their own sakes), then sure, I’d have no problem with them exterminating the alligators and crocodiles within their little Disney Lands and gated communities. But the problem is that they don’t want to contain their greed- and mindless, soulless rape of the land into asphalt and concrete and plastic. They want to see every last natural place exploited for human gain, or to them, it’s just being wasted.

    I find this mentality to be an enormity of the most depraved kind, and a terrible sin against the next generations, for whom some might just have an appreciation for nature just as God or providence created it, dangers and all.

    But that’s just me. ;)

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    you got no sense of humor.

    AS for genociding the injuns, you are serious I guess. Better view Apocapypto the movie.

    The injuns are savages, then and now. Torture, constant warfare, slavery. The reason we beat them is that one. they are stupid (83 average IQ today ), two, they could never ally with one-another cuz of their constant warfare, 3, they were ( and are ) Stone Age. 4, today their violent crime rate is 20 times higher than the US average, per jewyorktimes.

    Go live on the rez and you will be enlightened, if you survive in the first place.

    Evolution snuffs out species all the time. I would not regret various races dying off. Starting with the Chinese, who are horrible people, per even the liberals where I live , who have to work with them. Totally collectivistic without a bone in them respecting Western standards of liberty.

    The Trail of Tears tear-jerker propaganda..the injuns brought their black slaves with them.

    Whites are the only race, from a Western point of view that values liberty and free speech and all those nasty virtues of Dead White Males, as well as many of us still alive for the time being, that is worth saving. The rest can die off. Really, it boils down to Them or Us. Liberals too need to die off, or get killed off for betraying the White Race to the untermenschen. Starry Eyed to be replaced by dry glazed dead eyes. Speaking of dead eyes, we are such pussies that the sight of a dead body is upsetting and grief counselors, maybe with dogs, as I see now on the news, licking the faces of Orlando's grievants, will be assigned to the liberals waiting in their cells..the Death of their Idiot Dreams. In the old days of White stoicism, using the term very loosely, we were instructed to keep a stiff upper lip. Bawling is women's stuff. That is ok maybe, but maybe not.

    Of course, we don't want to exterminate anybody, we just hope they die off of natural causes, meaning their stupidity, violence, or collectivism and with regard to the really stupid, those down around 70-80 IQ. Evolution agrees. For example, Africans without Doctors Without Brains, would die off pronto, that and White Money keeps them screwing and screwing...that is what they do 24-7. Apes at least I presume, have heat periods like other animals. Maybe they don't , like the bonobos that , like people, screw all the time, which is claimed to keep the peace somewhat as opposed to chimps.

    Grow up.

    Joe Webb
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  131. Kiza says:
    @Kiza
    Yes, just like Saker, I also noticed that FBI claimed that the supposed shooter vouched fidelity to both ISIS and Hamas, which are deadly enemies of each other. Unlike Saker, I associate this angle with the stupidity of FBI and/or narrative creators about the supposed shooter.

    But let us step back for a moment and consider what proof is available that this tragic event ever really happened: http://www.unz.com/proberts/orlando-shooting-still-no-evidence/#comment-1454423.

    I do not consider it out of the realm of the possible that the whole thing was an invention, although I am not claiming that it is an invention. What about the possibility that the multi-angle mass shooting could be a cut-price set up in a recessed economy (three for the price of one):
    1) muslim (more money for the wars in ME),
    2) gay (promotion in the new domains),
    3) gun-nut (disarm the population).
    The multi-angle approach could give political ammunition to the enemies of any of the three. The same regime has done some much worse set ups than inventing the shooting of 104 innocent people.

    I do note that what is claimed to have transpired fits almost perfectly the agenda of the 'Democrats', such as Obama and Hillary, although the anti-Muslim outrage could also propel Trump.

    But maybe it is all just a coincidence and this vile crime really happened as described in the MSM.

    Have the crisis actors been involved again? In the following live Faux News segment, please turn the sound off and watch what happens with the supposedly wounded man in the red shoes being carried by three guys: https://youtu.be/c3IV9wuXID0.

    Yes, they drop the man supposedly wounded in the leg to walk on the ground, he continues walking, shoves one of his carriers who laughs.

    Please note that all later, edited news coverage excludes this end scene of carriage, it switches over to police vehicles.

    Really stinky stuff, don’t you think!

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19YlwQPYEjk

    check out the reflection in her glasses
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  132. Boris says:

    This is a *system* designed to make us all stupid and gullible.

    It seems like the people most against the system are the stupidest and most gullible–infowars morons, communists and the right wing.

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  133. Rurik says:
    @Kiza
    Have the crisis actors been involved again? In the following live Faux News segment, please turn the sound off and watch what happens with the supposedly wounded man in the red shoes being carried by three guys: https://youtu.be/c3IV9wuXID0.

    Yes, they drop the man supposedly wounded in the leg to walk on the ground, he continues walking, shoves one of his carriers who laughs.

    Please note that all later, edited news coverage excludes this end scene of carriage, it switches over to police vehicles.

    Really stinky stuff, don't you think!

    check out the reflection in her glasses

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    Yes, that is another stinky, this time from NBC News live (my example was from Fox News live). All such faults in the live news get edited out in later editions. But to even get caught like this is a sign of terribly low professionalism and strong disdain for the audience.

    To be fair this does not prove that Orlando massacre did not happen, it just proves that MSM are habitual liars and fixers with credibility equal to absolute zero (cannot sink any lower). As I have been writing for a while now - the MSM do not add, they subtract from our knowledge and understanding of the world. Following MSM is like going into a tent at a village fair to watch the illusionist's show created for illusionist's profit. Good luck with a view of the world you gain from that.

    , @L.K
    In the spirit of what you and Kiza have been discussing, one thing that has always bothered me in regards to these more recent mass shootings which have taken place during the Obama administration, is the reaction of relatives - who supposedly have just brutally lost close loved ones - during interviews:
    Often, they just sound quite phony, what do u guys think?

    Man who is said to have lost his mother in the Charleston Church Shooting, @ 0:58 he even smiles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81__Jc1ZEkQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBSjQJEC3rQ

    San Bernardino – they don’t seem like a grieving family to me at all, the girl is just ridiculous. But what about the spin about the dead mother being a Christian who fled religious extremism(Islam) after the revolution of 79 in ... Iran, hahaha, and then ‘ironically’ gets murdered by ISIS muslem extremists in Zamerica. Btw, both Christianity and Judaism are protected in Iran.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9FuCQX42I


    The Sandy Hook "Do You Want Me To Read The Card?"
    The first dude appears relaxed, smiling, talking, then seems to concentrate to get into character... weird stuff.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV20DtXBuQs
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  134. Art says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    "...and I responded with the simple fact that Founding Fathers were in fact “white” and (nominally) Christian."

    Some were not Christians, but deists. Does that mean that they intended the country to be deist?

    Say for instance, that I'm a Christian and I build an outhouse. Does that mean I intended it to be an exclusively Christian outhouse?

    I asked for specific bits of info proving that the FF established this country as a Christian country as was claimed. Instead, you merely offered proof that many of the the FFs held "Christian" beliefs, which everyone already knows.

    If you can, please provide proof of or evidence for the original assertion,i.e., "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians." You have already proven that it was not founded only by Christians (some were deists), and you never addressed the part of the claim that it was intended only for white Judeo Christians.


    It looks like you got all huffed up and made another erroneous, unprovable claim: "Judaism has very little commonality with Christianity" and that idea would be hilarious if it were not a glaring display of ignorance. What have you to say for yourself about that?

    FYI, Christ was a Jew, a rabbi, in fact. "Christianity" was, in fact, originally a Jewish sect, and many of the key teachings overlap, such as the idea of the existence of one supreme divinity and the concept of the "Golden Rule" as expressed by Rabbi Hillel the Elder when he said, a couple of centuries before Christ,"That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow..."

    Some were not Christians, but deists. Does that mean that they intended the country to be deist?

    For the most part “We the People” were religious and philosophical Christians – our Deist leaders were philosophical Christians. They shared the idealism of Christianity – the shared the idea that free people can organize themselves without top-down kings. No other religion/philosophy can make that claim.

    Our Deist leaders where men of science – they where can do people – they were Newtonians and Lockeans. Both Newton and Locke were Christians, surrounded by Christian intellectual culture.

    America was immersed in Christianity – it is a lie and intellectually dishonest to say differently.

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    Yeah, whatever. No need to state the obvious and make moronic insinuations that I'm being intellectually dishonest.

    No one has yet made the case for the idea that the "founders" intended the USA to be for white Christians only.

    Once again, the issue revolves around this claim.: "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians."

    The US was founded by white males; are we therefore to assume that they intended to exclude females as well??

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  135. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today.
     
    "recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud"

    "blood feud"

    "genocide"

    Interesting post Rabbitnexus

    is there a racial component to the rift between Sunni and Shia?

    I've always wondered about that, being as the most prominent Shias are Persians while the most notorious Sunnis are Arab. Wondering if it isn't sort of like the division between the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, where so many of the Protestants are ethnic Brits while the majority of Catholics are Irish.

    How much does the ethnicity (or race or tribe) of Sunni vs. Shia play into it, if at all?

    Dear Rurik,

    If I may…there was possibly a ‘blood feud’ angle when the Ummayads were in power, but that was less so once the Abbasids took over (one of their claims of legitimacy being descent from Abbas [ra], the uncle of the Prophet [pbuh]).

    For most of (Islamic) history, Persia was Sunni (mostly of the Shaf’i school) and produced some of the greatest minds:
    1. In scholarship; people like Imams Abu Hanifa, Razi, Ghazali, Baqillani, Taftazani, etc. (may God raise their ranks) were all Sunni
    2. In mysticism; Imams Junaid, Shams Tabriz, Bayazid Bustami, etc. (may God raise their ranks) were all Sunni
    3. Even their most famous Persian poets like Attar, Saadi, Rumi, etc. were all Sunni

    So what happened? In one word:

    the Safavids

    …who adopted Shi’ism as official state creed (in order to distinguish themselves from Sunni Ottomans, Mughals and various Khanates):

    The ultimate result was, however, the formation of a distinctively Persian state dedicated to the propagation of Shiʿism. Although coercion played a large part in the initial stages of this venture, it is plain that far more was involved in the profound and lasting assimilation of Shiʿism that took place, which transformed Persia and made of it the principal stronghold and even—in an ahistorical sense—the homeland of Shiʿism.
    It was, however, nothing less than a reign of terror that inaugurated the new dispensation. On capturing Tabriz in 907/1501, a city two-thirds Sunnite in population, Shah Esmāʿil threatened with death all who might resist the adoption of Shiʿite prayer ritual in the main congregational mosque, and he had Qezelbāš soldiers patrol the congregation to ensure that none raise his voice against the cursing of the first three caliphs, viewed as enemies of the Prophet’s family. In Tabriz and elsewhere, gangs of professional execrators known as the tabarrāʾiān would accost the townsfolk at random, forcing them to curse the objectionable personages on pain of death. Selective killings of prominent Sunnites occurred in a large number of places, notably Qazvin and Isfahan, and in Shiraz and Yazd, outright massacres took place. Sunnite mosques were desecrated, and the tombs of eminent Sunnite scholars destroyed.

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/iran-ix23-shiism-in-iran-since-the-safavids

    I don’t blame this on Shiahs necessarily, this seems to have been a Machiavellian scheme by the rulers to establish a religio-political identity to challenge the other powers of the region.

    So the racial aspects just don’t fit historically or factually.

    May God protect you and yours.

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    Dear Talha,

    …who adopted Shi’ism as official state creed (in order to distinguish themselves from Sunni Ottomans,
     
    don't you wonder if it's just possible that part of the motivation to distinguish themselves from the Sunni Ottomans might have had some tribal motivations as far as Persians not wanting to be dominated by Arabs and Turks?

    I know these things have grey areas and overlapping histories and agendas, just as there are Irish Protestants and British Catholics who align themselves with others based on many overlapping values and necessities. But I can't help but wonder if tribalism has something to do with it. No?

    And if I have time, I'll just add the issue of Hindu and Muslim in India and Pakistan as well, if there are similarities there as well to this kind of thing.

    Gods bless you always

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  136. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Unapologetic White Man
    While I understand that this Saker person is a Russophile, comparing what was a hostage situation in Russia with this incident in Orlando - where the killer simply went on a killing spree - is silly.

    By the time the SWAT arrived, most of the killing had already been carried out. SWAT's don't have access to time machines. Even American SWAT teams.

    At any rate, if homos weren't so dang girly, some of them might have had a CCW and been able to end Omar's party a little early.

    Facts are your friend.

    Nice try at sticking up for the totally incompetent, steroid laden, psycho American SWAT teams, too bad it won’t work. As usual, SWAT showed their complete incompetent in this instance as they do every time they roll out. It is well beyond time to disband 99% of SWAT teams in this country.

    Perhaps you should do a little research before you post such utter claptrap, but in Florida, as in most States, it is illegal to carry a firearm in an establishment that serves alcohol.

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  137. joe webb says:
    @Rurik

    A case of Evolution that makes sense as opposed to gators and crocs eating us. And, to be sure, the amerindians were lucky that it was we Whites, and not the chinks who got here first
     
    and look at what we've done since we've gotten here Joe, and genocided the Amerindians off the lands and taken them for ourselves to do with as we please. So be it, that's the way of evolution. But then what? What have we done with the land of North America, in particular these formerly United States, Joe?

    I'll tell ya what we've done.. we've ravaged the place. We've polluted the lakes and rivers and wiped out the ecological bounty. We've driven the wolves and bears and moose and beaver and buffalo and all manor of magnificent species to the brink and beyond. And there's no end in sight. It certainly looks like the soul of the white, European man is devoid of an appreciation for the wonders of creation. The American Indian found spiritual meaning in the sound of the flowing river and the ineffable wonder of the beasts and fellow denizens they were blessed to share this life and land with. The eagle in the sky and the panther in the grass. The white man prefers to see these wonders recreated at assorted amusement parks out of paper-mâché and robotics and computer generated on a screen with vibrating seats, in air-conditioned and controlled environments with personnel telling them to stay within the yellow lines for safety. That's how the white man appreciates nature, in exchange for a few shekels and parking at $20.00.

    And that's fine, I guess, but the tragic thing is that there's no end in sight. The white man's greed is infinite, and his appreciation for the life that had lived on this continent for millions of years before he got here is devoid, to the point of aggressively wanting to destroy every last ancient tree and swamp and blade of grass and reptile and wild animal and replace it with some plastic version that will require bi-annual maintenance trips at a very discounted rate.

    Say what you want about the savagery of the Amerindian tribes, and some of it is definitely true. But then again, those people lived on this continent for thousands of years, and always left it pristine for the next generations. Look what the white man has done in just a few hundred, with the ecology on the brink and some of them calling for more and more deliberate extinctions because some of the species can be dangerous!

    What would you have mankind do? Erase all of the dangers from nature off the North American continent so that you could go out with no fear of being bitten or scratched by the last Florida panther?

    If humans would contain their numbers and ravages upon the natural world to strictly defined borders, and allow the rest of creation to continue to thrive (for the sake of future generations of humans, if it's beyond you to understand that these species have a right to exist for their own sakes), then sure, I'd have no problem with them exterminating the alligators and crocodiles within their little Disney Lands and gated communities. But the problem is that they don't want to contain their greed- and mindless, soulless rape of the land into asphalt and concrete and plastic. They want to see every last natural place exploited for human gain, or to them, it's just being wasted.

    I find this mentality to be an enormity of the most depraved kind, and a terrible sin against the next generations, for whom some might just have an appreciation for nature just as God or providence created it, dangers and all.

    But that's just me. ;)

    you got no sense of humor.

    AS for genociding the injuns, you are serious I guess. Better view Apocapypto the movie.

    The injuns are savages, then and now. Torture, constant warfare, slavery. The reason we beat them is that one. they are stupid (83 average IQ today ), two, they could never ally with one-another cuz of their constant warfare, 3, they were ( and are ) Stone Age. 4, today their violent crime rate is 20 times higher than the US average, per jewyorktimes.

    Go live on the rez and you will be enlightened, if you survive in the first place.

    Evolution snuffs out species all the time. I would not regret various races dying off. Starting with the Chinese, who are horrible people, per even the liberals where I live , who have to work with them. Totally collectivistic without a bone in them respecting Western standards of liberty.

    The Trail of Tears tear-jerker propaganda..the injuns brought their black slaves with them.

    Whites are the only race, from a Western point of view that values liberty and free speech and all those nasty virtues of Dead White Males, as well as many of us still alive for the time being, that is worth saving. The rest can die off. Really, it boils down to Them or Us. Liberals too need to die off, or get killed off for betraying the White Race to the untermenschen. Starry Eyed to be replaced by dry glazed dead eyes. Speaking of dead eyes, we are such pussies that the sight of a dead body is upsetting and grief counselors, maybe with dogs, as I see now on the news, licking the faces of Orlando’s grievants, will be assigned to the liberals waiting in their cells..the Death of their Idiot Dreams. In the old days of White stoicism, using the term very loosely, we were instructed to keep a stiff upper lip. Bawling is women’s stuff. That is ok maybe, but maybe not.

    Of course, we don’t want to exterminate anybody, we just hope they die off of natural causes, meaning their stupidity, violence, or collectivism and with regard to the really stupid, those down around 70-80 IQ. Evolution agrees. For example, Africans without Doctors Without Brains, would die off pronto, that and White Money keeps them screwing and screwing…that is what they do 24-7. Apes at least I presume, have heat periods like other animals. Maybe they don’t , like the bonobos that , like people, screw all the time, which is claimed to keep the peace somewhat as opposed to chimps.

    Grow up.

    Joe Webb

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    Rurik....one other thing....are you feeling nice and righteous? "Depravity"....is that all you got? Nazi? Racist? Blonde Beast? ( I especially like that one ), vile, noxious, odious, insect, virulent...all from the jewyorktimes lexicon.

    You got your chest all puffed up and are strutting around like Muhammed Ali. The Greeks never behaved like that, insulting their enemies, etc. But negroes really go in for the chest pounding swagger, the pimp-strut.

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights Crowd and a little also for liberals who also like to parade their prayers to Gaia.

    Animals have no Rights. The insane Asian injuns have their sacred cows. Suggest to them that that is kinda stupid, and they will kill you. Real spirituality.

    We as Whites treat animals better than any other race. myself included. But it is a mark of White compassion or kindness, not Rights. No other race has it.

    We save the Whales, we save the alligators (big mistake), we have a zillion organizations for animal protection, fisheries are monitored, and on and on.

    You are an idiot and a self righteous prig. Are you White? Probably not.

    Joe Webb

    , @Anonymous
    What about Jews and others? Do you own firearms, and do you plan on using firearms to kill them, as you’ve said here and elsewhere?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/whither-the-shards-of-america-its-us-or-them/#comment-1449901

    we are going to kill many of you jews and race traitors. we got guns and you do not. Joe Webb
     
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  138. L.K says:
    @Svigor

    1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam

    2) Or Omar Mateen was coerced into making this statement and he deliberately made it absurd

    3) Or Omar Mateen never said any such thing
     
    4) The Muslim terrorist, a moron, is still smarter than you, and likes both Muslim groups because both are hated by Americans, and both would be glad to see the USA destroyed.

    absolutely no way any real Scotsman Muslim
     
    FIFY.

    (Oh sure, visceral Islam-haters will still claim that Islam is to blame, just as Putin-haters will blame Putin, Jew haters will blame Jews, etc. but the factual basis of the “Islamic theory” is now gone).
     
    Leftist Russophile very clever. Link Islamophobia, ANTI-SEMITISM!!!, and Putin-hating in mind of reader. Diabolically clever. American left sure to stop shitting on Russia now.

    Take a look at the ATF form 4473 which every person has to fill before purchasing a firearm:
     
    Nonsense. Citizen to citizen sales require no paperwork whatsoever, unless required by state or local laws.

    So, under US Federal Law Omar Mateen could not have legally bought his guns. And since clearly he did not care about US lawys anyway, he could have purchased them off the street rather easily anyway.
     
    One can care very deeply about, and obey, US laws and purchase firearms "off the street," too.

    Svigor, an obvious Zamerican Supremacist(from his various posts at unz), goes:

    4) The Muslim terrorist, a moron, is still smarter than you[saker], and likes both Muslim groups because both are hated by Americans, and both would be glad to see the USA destroyed.

    Projection much? For a guy dumber than a bag of rocks, svigor, u should be careful b4 u call others morons.

    Let’s start with Hezbollah;

    Why should americans hate Hezb? I mean, besides the fact that you are told to hate them by your zio puppet-masters?
    Has Hezbollah ever attacked Zamerica? No.

    Some dumsh*t zamericans think they should hate it bc allegedly Hzb killed a bunch of US marines and French paras, about 300 in all, in Beirut, Lebanon, 1983. In LEBANON.
    Why were the fuc*ing marines there? Allegedly as peace keepers but in reality to support the israeli invaders(who had invaded lebanon in 82).
    In fact, Hezb did not even exist in 83, it would only officially form in 85.
    It is also blamed for the attack on the US Embassy in Beirut, also in 83.
    No evidence for any of that of course and Hezbollah denies it all.
    Among the more than 30/40 lebanese militias of various persuasions operating just in Beirut in 1983, one called ‘Islamic Jihad’ claimed responsibility for the Embassy attack.

    A US commentator who has lived in Lebanon stated:

    Lebanese Islamist groups, and others, who in the 1980’s were resisting Israel’s attacks did not feel that their acts were nearly as reprehensible as the US responsibility for what Israel was doing to their people and country.
    For example, once it became clear to them that the US Marines had abandoned their initially claimed neutrality as ‘peace keepers’ and instead began the shelling of Lebanon with 2,700-lb shells from the USS New Jersey most of these groups felt it their duty to repulse the US attacks.

    The shelling killed hundreds of people, almost all civilians, Shiites and Druze.

    “The US forces were not “a neutral peacekeeping unit” as hyped.”… in his memoir, General Colin Powell… noted that “When the shells started falling on the Shiites, they assumed the American ‘referee’ had taken sides.”

    I ain’t even gonna go into all the CIA sponsored ops in Lebanon, including the vicious car bombing in 85, which killed eighty, mostly women and children and wounded over 250.

    The zamericans got what they deserved. Hezbollah is actually too nice. It strongly condemned the false flag 9-11 attacks, which in any case were truly carried out by your zionist masters.

    Leave Lebanon alone and you’ll have nothing to fear from Hezbollah.

    What about ISIS/DAESH??

    The rise of the Daesh/ISIS lunatics was completely predictable – through destabilizing Eastern Syria which borders the Iraq sunni regions – and it was desired by Washington and its allies.

    In a recent interview, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, former head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), stated clearly that the rise of ‘ISIS’ was ‘a willful Washington decision’.

    As a German blogger wrote:

    Another released DIA document written in August 2012 and also highly redacted explains that Al Qaeda was, from the beginning, a big part of the Syrian “revolution”. It foresees and warns of the creation of an Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. Some quotes (emph. added):

    3 B: AQI(al qaeda in iraq) supported the Syrian opposition from the beginning …

    3 C: AQI conducted a number of operations in Syrian cities under the name of Jaish al-Nusra …

    Now, the criminals in Washington are trying to use ISIS as an excuse to, in fact, intervene in Syria and try to bring about the regime change they have been anxiously seeking since 2011.
    These are the moderate rebels and activists the main stream media wrote and is still writing about. More from the report:

    8 C: If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime.
    The “supporting powers” are earlier listed (in 7 B) as:
    Western countries, the Gulf States and Turkey.

    The DIA warns that the creation of such an Salafist principality would have “dire consequences” for Iraq and would possibly lead to the creation of an Islamic State and:

    DIA chief Michael Flynn confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of warnings to the civilian administration between 2012 and 2014 saying that the jihadists were in control of the opposition.

    “If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,” Flynn said.

    Yet, as Flynn stated previously, it was a “willful decision” for the administration “to do what they’re doing.”

    So, ISIS, which u claim is hated by zamerican fools and which, according to u, desires to see ZUSA destroyed, was created by your own government.
    The same is basically true for the various Al-CIAda outfits. Heck, Zusa did what it could for the Nusra(cia-da in Syria) front to be excluded from Russian/Syrian air strikes and attacks.
    Former Army general and CIA director David Petraeus even lobbied for Nusra.
    Recently, as veteran journalist Gareth Porter, stated: “In yet another a dangerous US political-diplomatic move in Syria, the Obama administration is going out of its way to protect the interests of al-Qaeda’s closest and most powerful ally in Syria, Ahrar al-Sham.”
    Ahrar al-Sham is just another salafist extremist group.
    ZUSA has been in bed with radical Islam( and promoting it) going back many decades, same is true for some nato countries, particularly England.
    The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom – noted:

    “Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.’
    He also said:
    “By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.”

    Buhahahaha

    The Washington Post reported in 2010:

    The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks

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  139. joe webb says:
    @joe webb
    you got no sense of humor.

    AS for genociding the injuns, you are serious I guess. Better view Apocapypto the movie.

    The injuns are savages, then and now. Torture, constant warfare, slavery. The reason we beat them is that one. they are stupid (83 average IQ today ), two, they could never ally with one-another cuz of their constant warfare, 3, they were ( and are ) Stone Age. 4, today their violent crime rate is 20 times higher than the US average, per jewyorktimes.

    Go live on the rez and you will be enlightened, if you survive in the first place.

    Evolution snuffs out species all the time. I would not regret various races dying off. Starting with the Chinese, who are horrible people, per even the liberals where I live , who have to work with them. Totally collectivistic without a bone in them respecting Western standards of liberty.

    The Trail of Tears tear-jerker propaganda..the injuns brought their black slaves with them.

    Whites are the only race, from a Western point of view that values liberty and free speech and all those nasty virtues of Dead White Males, as well as many of us still alive for the time being, that is worth saving. The rest can die off. Really, it boils down to Them or Us. Liberals too need to die off, or get killed off for betraying the White Race to the untermenschen. Starry Eyed to be replaced by dry glazed dead eyes. Speaking of dead eyes, we are such pussies that the sight of a dead body is upsetting and grief counselors, maybe with dogs, as I see now on the news, licking the faces of Orlando's grievants, will be assigned to the liberals waiting in their cells..the Death of their Idiot Dreams. In the old days of White stoicism, using the term very loosely, we were instructed to keep a stiff upper lip. Bawling is women's stuff. That is ok maybe, but maybe not.

    Of course, we don't want to exterminate anybody, we just hope they die off of natural causes, meaning their stupidity, violence, or collectivism and with regard to the really stupid, those down around 70-80 IQ. Evolution agrees. For example, Africans without Doctors Without Brains, would die off pronto, that and White Money keeps them screwing and screwing...that is what they do 24-7. Apes at least I presume, have heat periods like other animals. Maybe they don't , like the bonobos that , like people, screw all the time, which is claimed to keep the peace somewhat as opposed to chimps.

    Grow up.

    Joe Webb

    Rurik….one other thing….are you feeling nice and righteous? “Depravity”….is that all you got? Nazi? Racist? Blonde Beast? ( I especially like that one ), vile, noxious, odious, insect, virulent…all from the jewyorktimes lexicon.

    You got your chest all puffed up and are strutting around like Muhammed Ali. The Greeks never behaved like that, insulting their enemies, etc. But negroes really go in for the chest pounding swagger, the pimp-strut.

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights Crowd and a little also for liberals who also like to parade their prayers to Gaia.

    Animals have no Rights. The insane Asian injuns have their sacred cows. Suggest to them that that is kinda stupid, and they will kill you. Real spirituality.

    We as Whites treat animals better than any other race. myself included. But it is a mark of White compassion or kindness, not Rights. No other race has it.

    We save the Whales, we save the alligators (big mistake), we have a zillion organizations for animal protection, fisheries are monitored, and on and on.

    You are an idiot and a self righteous prig. Are you White? Probably not.

    Joe Webb

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    [The Greeks never behaved like that, insulting their enemies, etc.]

    You evidently haven't read the Iliad.
    , @Rurik
    Joe,

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights
     
    kind of yes

    all your talk of low IQ minorities and nefarious Jews are not what I'm on about right now, in response to your comment about wiping out species if they're inconvenient. (not that I'm unsympathetic to the tragic loss of those parents who lost their little one to the alligator)

    What I'm talking about is man's blind myopia when it comes to wiping out the natural world in order to plop down more casinos and amusement park$. More subdivisions and industrial sprawl. He, (you) seem to only understand your wallet, and have no appreciation for a unspoiled vista, full of ancient and timeless wild things that you neither understand nor care one whit for, but whose value to this planet and future generations is just as ineffable as your new car.

    Humans are indeed vile creatures insofar as they're wiling to wipe out everything else in their blind, hubristic greed. Yes, you're correct that it's mostly white folks who're concerned about such things, but not nearly concerned enough, because in my lifetime we are going to be witness to the extinction of many forms of life to make room for a few billion more consumers and tax slaves. All to benefit the farmer class that farms these bipedal consumer apes.

    It's a sin. And future generations will look at what we've done and curse us for our short-sighted greed and selfishness.

    Look at it this way Joe, sort of to speak to you in your own language. Look at what the 70 IQ denizens of Haiti did to their side of the Island of Hispaniola. They mindlessly overpopulated the "Jewel of the Caribbean" until it is little more than a mud pit of poverty and despair. Vs. the rather more intelligent 85 IQ citizens of the Dominican Republic, that have done much more to protect their lush and bountiful side of the same island.

    Here's am image of part of the island at the border, with the Haiti side showing the barren deforestation and desolation, vs. the D.R. side that's still lush.

    http://oglhaiti.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/haitidominicanboarder1.jpg

    that's all I'm saying Joe. Why act like the Haitians and wipe it all out, and leave a mud pit and pictures and videos of herds of elephants and roaming lions and pods of dolphins for the future generations of children to look at and marvel at and ask why mankind wiped them all out. And you'd be forced to answer that it was because he was blinded by his own vanity, and considered all the life on the planet as his to exploit even until the point of total extinction, because some of them were inconvenient to that additional subdivision or those offshore oil platform$.

    I'm not trying to sound superior, I'm just asking us all to look at creation and try to see it with the eyes of the generations to come. And ask ourselves if we really care so little about the kind of world we're leaving behind that we'd shove off the planet all the rhinos and great apes and other magnificent creatures out of our greed and arrogance and stupidity. That's all.
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  140. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    you got no sense of humor.

    AS for genociding the injuns, you are serious I guess. Better view Apocapypto the movie.

    The injuns are savages, then and now. Torture, constant warfare, slavery. The reason we beat them is that one. they are stupid (83 average IQ today ), two, they could never ally with one-another cuz of their constant warfare, 3, they were ( and are ) Stone Age. 4, today their violent crime rate is 20 times higher than the US average, per jewyorktimes.

    Go live on the rez and you will be enlightened, if you survive in the first place.

    Evolution snuffs out species all the time. I would not regret various races dying off. Starting with the Chinese, who are horrible people, per even the liberals where I live , who have to work with them. Totally collectivistic without a bone in them respecting Western standards of liberty.

    The Trail of Tears tear-jerker propaganda..the injuns brought their black slaves with them.

    Whites are the only race, from a Western point of view that values liberty and free speech and all those nasty virtues of Dead White Males, as well as many of us still alive for the time being, that is worth saving. The rest can die off. Really, it boils down to Them or Us. Liberals too need to die off, or get killed off for betraying the White Race to the untermenschen. Starry Eyed to be replaced by dry glazed dead eyes. Speaking of dead eyes, we are such pussies that the sight of a dead body is upsetting and grief counselors, maybe with dogs, as I see now on the news, licking the faces of Orlando's grievants, will be assigned to the liberals waiting in their cells..the Death of their Idiot Dreams. In the old days of White stoicism, using the term very loosely, we were instructed to keep a stiff upper lip. Bawling is women's stuff. That is ok maybe, but maybe not.

    Of course, we don't want to exterminate anybody, we just hope they die off of natural causes, meaning their stupidity, violence, or collectivism and with regard to the really stupid, those down around 70-80 IQ. Evolution agrees. For example, Africans without Doctors Without Brains, would die off pronto, that and White Money keeps them screwing and screwing...that is what they do 24-7. Apes at least I presume, have heat periods like other animals. Maybe they don't , like the bonobos that , like people, screw all the time, which is claimed to keep the peace somewhat as opposed to chimps.

    Grow up.

    Joe Webb

    What about Jews and others? Do you own firearms, and do you plan on using firearms to kill them, as you’ve said here and elsewhere?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/whither-the-shards-of-america-its-us-or-them/#comment-1449901

    we are going to kill many of you jews and race traitors. we got guns and you do not. Joe Webb

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  141. Svigor says:

    Do you own firearms, and do you plan on using them to kill Jews and others?

    I like how you added “and others,” as if you care.

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    He has explicitly specified Jews and mentioned others more generally.

    I do care to know whether or not he owns firearms and intends to use them to kill Jews and others as he has said here and elsewhere.
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  142. tbraton says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question.

    I also hope you realize that to understand my comment you would be wise to go back to the original comment about who/what founded the country and what their motives were.

    “I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question. ”

    Well, it was certainly not obvious from your message that you were asking a rhetorical question. In fact, after rereading your post, it is still not obvious that the question was “rhetorical.” Maybe you and I have different understandings about what a rhetorical question is. Here is what H.W. Fowler had to say about “rhetorical question” in his “Modern English Usage”: “A question is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect. The assumption is that only one answer is possible, & that if the hearer is compelled to make it mentally himself it will impress him more than the speaker’s statement.” Here is your question:
    “Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?” Could you point out what exactly makes that a “rhetorical question”?

    Getting to your main point, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were both products of the Enlightenment, which, for all its virtues, did have a tendency to engage in fancy rhetoric which aspired to universal grandiosity with little regard to realities. Thus, Thomas Jefferson could proclaim with a straight face that “all men are created equal” while owning hundreds of slaves and knowing full well that his intellect and education elevated him far above the lowest, poorest dirt farmer in Virginia. In the same way, the First Amendment could proclaim “freedom of religion,” when the young Republic was composed overwhelmingly of Christians with just a handful of Jews and virtually no Muslims. If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation. The problem then was protecting some Christian sects, such as Roman Catholics and Baptists, from oppression from other Christian sects, such as Episcopalians and Congregationalists.

    BTW do you happen to have an academic background by any chance. The last time I was confronted with the issue of a “rhetorical question” was a few years ago when I sent out a statement posing a couple of basic, simple and direct questions re a certain issue involved in a condominium dispute. One respondent pointedly declined to answer a question, labeling it a “rhetorical question,” which was certainly not my intention. I challenged him on it and got no response. Since he had a long career in academia, I concluded that it was simply a common debating tactic among academics in academia in their petty disputes to label a question from an opposing party as a “rhetorical question,” without having a clue what that phrase actually meant.

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    Hey tbraton,

    If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation.

     

    Not sure about 'none of the delegates would have agreed', maybe more like 'most delegates would have been surprised'. It is quite interesting, but some of these themes were explicitly discussed in the ratification of the Federal Constitution in North Carolina.

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, by the North Carolinans) that if religious tests were not in play, then "pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans".

    Counter points were made:
    "But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? "

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    " It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen."

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    "No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion."

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is an utterly fascinating read - and the debate encompasses so many of the valid points people make, on each side, to this day.

    Peace.
    , @Jacques Sheete
    Yadda yadda yadda.

    Neither you, nor anyone else here has provided a shred of evidence to support this claim.:

    "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. "

    Taken in context, the statement means "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY]."

    If you, or anyone else can provide primary source evidence that the FF intended the USA to be for white Christians only, I'd be happy to see it for myself. Note to everyone else who feels like responding: I don't want to hear your peripheral, distracting baloney and braying. Just provide the evidence requested or fuggedaboudit.

    My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect."

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn't answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?
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  143. 5371 says:
    @joe webb
    Rurik....one other thing....are you feeling nice and righteous? "Depravity"....is that all you got? Nazi? Racist? Blonde Beast? ( I especially like that one ), vile, noxious, odious, insect, virulent...all from the jewyorktimes lexicon.

    You got your chest all puffed up and are strutting around like Muhammed Ali. The Greeks never behaved like that, insulting their enemies, etc. But negroes really go in for the chest pounding swagger, the pimp-strut.

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights Crowd and a little also for liberals who also like to parade their prayers to Gaia.

    Animals have no Rights. The insane Asian injuns have their sacred cows. Suggest to them that that is kinda stupid, and they will kill you. Real spirituality.

    We as Whites treat animals better than any other race. myself included. But it is a mark of White compassion or kindness, not Rights. No other race has it.

    We save the Whales, we save the alligators (big mistake), we have a zillion organizations for animal protection, fisheries are monitored, and on and on.

    You are an idiot and a self righteous prig. Are you White? Probably not.

    Joe Webb

    [The Greeks never behaved like that, insulting their enemies, etc.]

    You evidently haven’t read the Iliad.

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  144. Talha says:
    @tbraton
    "I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question. "

    Well, it was certainly not obvious from your message that you were asking a rhetorical question. In fact, after rereading your post, it is still not obvious that the question was "rhetorical." Maybe you and I have different understandings about what a rhetorical question is. Here is what H.W. Fowler had to say about "rhetorical question" in his "Modern English Usage": "A question is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect. The assumption is that only one answer is possible, & that if the hearer is compelled to make it mentally himself it will impress him more than the speaker's statement." Here is your question:
    "Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?” Could you point out what exactly makes that a "rhetorical question"?

    Getting to your main point, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were both products of the Enlightenment, which, for all its virtues, did have a tendency to engage in fancy rhetoric which aspired to universal grandiosity with little regard to realities. Thus, Thomas Jefferson could proclaim with a straight face that "all men are created equal" while owning hundreds of slaves and knowing full well that his intellect and education elevated him far above the lowest, poorest dirt farmer in Virginia. In the same way, the First Amendment could proclaim "freedom of religion," when the young Republic was composed overwhelmingly of Christians with just a handful of Jews and virtually no Muslims. If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation. The problem then was protecting some Christian sects, such as Roman Catholics and Baptists, from oppression from other Christian sects, such as Episcopalians and Congregationalists.

    BTW do you happen to have an academic background by any chance. The last time I was confronted with the issue of a "rhetorical question" was a few years ago when I sent out a statement posing a couple of basic, simple and direct questions re a certain issue involved in a condominium dispute. One respondent pointedly declined to answer a question, labeling it a "rhetorical question," which was certainly not my intention. I challenged him on it and got no response. Since he had a long career in academia, I concluded that it was simply a common debating tactic among academics in academia in their petty disputes to label a question from an opposing party as a "rhetorical question," without having a clue what that phrase actually meant.

    Hey tbraton,

    If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation.

    Not sure about ‘none of the delegates would have agreed’, maybe more like ‘most delegates would have been surprised’. It is quite interesting, but some of these themes were explicitly discussed in the ratification of the Federal Constitution in North Carolina.

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, by the North Carolinans) that if religious tests were not in play, then “pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans”.

    Counter points were made:
    “But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? ”

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    ” It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen.”

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    “No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion.”

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html

    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is an utterly fascinating read – and the debate encompasses so many of the valid points people make, on each side, to this day.

    Peace.

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    Interestingly, Morocco was the first country to recognize the new US, I wonder if that's why they mentioned "Mahometans"
    , @Jacques Sheete
    Superb!

    Thanks.

    BTW, you probably already realize that if one wants to be a purist about it, a state can no more be Christian than can a state be Jewish.

    Why? Because states are founded on violence and true Christians and Jews are to put their faith in their G-d, not in some violent corruptible man-made institution.

    The idea goes something like this,“ To [my Jewish grandfather] Zionism was counterfeit Judaism and the Zionists charlatans. His Orthodox belief held that the re-establishment of Israel was a matter of God in the messianic future..."

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/my-grandfather-sparked-my-interest-in-debate-over-zionism.html
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  145. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor

    Do you own firearms, and do you plan on using them to kill Jews and others?
     
    I like how you added "and others," as if you care.

    He has explicitly specified Jews and mentioned others more generally.

    I do care to know whether or not he owns firearms and intends to use them to kill Jews and others as he has said here and elsewhere.

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    Anonymous jew-boy. Ha.

    Don't waste your jew time turning me over to Mossad. I am sure they got me in their sights. They have stated that they will assassinate anti-semites who matter. I don't matter.

    As for firearms, I got plenty of them like any serious male and they are all legal and registered.
    The cops are on our side. I know a few.

    Jews here are physical wimps and pussies, but like Bilious Billary, et al, they got guards with big guns. I recall a hearing at Congress a few years ago on guns. Schumer was on it and a Texas Blonde female told him that guns are not for hunting, they are for use against people like him who want to take away our guns and destroy the constitution. ( Jews and white traitors....my cup of contempt runneth over. See Jews run. See white race traitors follow. As you may have noticed, I am a now a zionist...get all of you subhumans in one place for a Pentagon Strike. The white liberals will need other methods.)

    That about sums it up. jewboy Schumer found himself without words...a very Jewish vexation.

    How are those martinis going? Check to see if you got any balls lately?

    Joe Webb
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  146. Marcus says:
    @Talha
    Hey tbraton,

    If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation.

     

    Not sure about 'none of the delegates would have agreed', maybe more like 'most delegates would have been surprised'. It is quite interesting, but some of these themes were explicitly discussed in the ratification of the Federal Constitution in North Carolina.

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, by the North Carolinans) that if religious tests were not in play, then "pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans".

    Counter points were made:
    "But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? "

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    " It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen."

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    "No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion."

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is an utterly fascinating read - and the debate encompasses so many of the valid points people make, on each side, to this day.

    Peace.

    Interestingly, Morocco was the first country to recognize the new US, I wonder if that’s why they mentioned “Mahometans”

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    Not sure the reason for that term. I thought 'Mahometan' was generally in use (somewhat pejorative) in the English-speaking West for centuries. The North Carolinans (being a slave-owning state) would have known a few 'Mahometans', having brought them in from the Sene-Gambia region:
    http://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/09/26/autobiography-arabic-senegalese-enslaved-north-carolina

    Omar Ibn Said's story is very interesting; he actually brings a more nuanced picture into light regarding antebellum US, namely that there were honorable White slave owners:


    Compared to other slaves, Said was treated well by his owner, James Owen, a prominent North Carolinian whose brother had been governor. Said was excused from manual labor on the plantation belonging to Owen, “who does not beat me, nor call me bad names,” he wrote. “During the last twenty years I have not seen any harm at the hand of Jim Owen.”
     
    Likewise, his scholarly upbringing and good character were recognized by the other side:

    Newspapers wrote about Said, including one article from 1825 that described Said as “good natured” and speculated that he had been a prince in Africa, because of his “dignified deportment.”
     
    http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/201002/the.life.of.omar.ibn.said.htm

    Peace.

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  147. Talha says:
    @Marcus
    Interestingly, Morocco was the first country to recognize the new US, I wonder if that's why they mentioned "Mahometans"

    Not sure the reason for that term. I thought ‘Mahometan’ was generally in use (somewhat pejorative) in the English-speaking West for centuries. The North Carolinans (being a slave-owning state) would have known a few ‘Mahometans’, having brought them in from the Sene-Gambia region:

    http://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/09/26/autobiography-arabic-senegalese-enslaved-north-carolina

    Omar Ibn Said’s story is very interesting; he actually brings a more nuanced picture into light regarding antebellum US, namely that there were honorable White slave owners:

    Compared to other slaves, Said was treated well by his owner, James Owen, a prominent North Carolinian whose brother had been governor. Said was excused from manual labor on the plantation belonging to Owen, “who does not beat me, nor call me bad names,” he wrote. “During the last twenty years I have not seen any harm at the hand of Jim Owen.”

    Likewise, his scholarly upbringing and good character were recognized by the other side:

    Newspapers wrote about Said, including one article from 1825 that described Said as “good natured” and speculated that he had been a prince in Africa, because of his “dignified deportment.”

    http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/201002/the.life.of.omar.ibn.said.htm

    Peace.

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    Sorry, I just meant the mention of Muslims alongside more well-known Jews, "pagans," etc. might have seemed puzzling without the Moroccan treaty around that time. "Mahomet" was the most common anglicization until maybe the early 20th century, see early American writer Washington Irving's "Mahomet and His Successors" or William Muir's "Life of Mahomet"
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  148. Marcus says:
    @Talha
    Not sure the reason for that term. I thought 'Mahometan' was generally in use (somewhat pejorative) in the English-speaking West for centuries. The North Carolinans (being a slave-owning state) would have known a few 'Mahometans', having brought them in from the Sene-Gambia region:
    http://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/09/26/autobiography-arabic-senegalese-enslaved-north-carolina

    Omar Ibn Said's story is very interesting; he actually brings a more nuanced picture into light regarding antebellum US, namely that there were honorable White slave owners:


    Compared to other slaves, Said was treated well by his owner, James Owen, a prominent North Carolinian whose brother had been governor. Said was excused from manual labor on the plantation belonging to Owen, “who does not beat me, nor call me bad names,” he wrote. “During the last twenty years I have not seen any harm at the hand of Jim Owen.”
     
    Likewise, his scholarly upbringing and good character were recognized by the other side:

    Newspapers wrote about Said, including one article from 1825 that described Said as “good natured” and speculated that he had been a prince in Africa, because of his “dignified deportment.”
     
    http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/201002/the.life.of.omar.ibn.said.htm

    Peace.

    Sorry, I just meant the mention of Muslims alongside more well-known Jews, “pagans,” etc. might have seemed puzzling without the Moroccan treaty around that time. “Mahomet” was the most common anglicization until maybe the early 20th century, see early American writer Washington Irving’s “Mahomet and His Successors” or William Muir’s “Life of Mahomet”

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  149. @Art
    Some were not Christians, but deists. Does that mean that they intended the country to be deist?

    For the most part "We the People" were religious and philosophical Christians - our Deist leaders were philosophical Christians. They shared the idealism of Christianity – the shared the idea that free people can organize themselves without top-down kings. No other religion/philosophy can make that claim.

    Our Deist leaders where men of science – they where can do people – they were Newtonians and Lockeans. Both Newton and Locke were Christians, surrounded by Christian intellectual culture.

    America was immersed in Christianity – it is a lie and intellectually dishonest to say differently.

    Yeah, whatever. No need to state the obvious and make moronic insinuations that I’m being intellectually dishonest.

    No one has yet made the case for the idea that the “founders” intended the USA to be for white Christians only.

    Once again, the issue revolves around this claim.: “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.”

    The US was founded by white males; are we therefore to assume that they intended to exclude females as well??

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    Once again, the issue revolves around this claim.: “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.”

    I also do not believe that statement is correct. I believe that most of our FF did not believe that.

    Certainly not the Judeo part.

    Judeo/Christian is an oxymoron. They are as different as day and night.

    I did not read the statement correctly.
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  150. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Dear Rurik,

    If I may...there was possibly a 'blood feud' angle when the Ummayads were in power, but that was less so once the Abbasids took over (one of their claims of legitimacy being descent from Abbas [ra], the uncle of the Prophet [pbuh]).

    For most of (Islamic) history, Persia was Sunni (mostly of the Shaf'i school) and produced some of the greatest minds:
    1. In scholarship; people like Imams Abu Hanifa, Razi, Ghazali, Baqillani, Taftazani, etc. (may God raise their ranks) were all Sunni
    2. In mysticism; Imams Junaid, Shams Tabriz, Bayazid Bustami, etc. (may God raise their ranks) were all Sunni
    3. Even their most famous Persian poets like Attar, Saadi, Rumi, etc. were all Sunni

    So what happened? In one word:

    the Safavids

    ...who adopted Shi'ism as official state creed (in order to distinguish themselves from Sunni Ottomans, Mughals and various Khanates):

    The ultimate result was, however, the formation of a distinctively Persian state dedicated to the propagation of Shiʿism. Although coercion played a large part in the initial stages of this venture, it is plain that far more was involved in the profound and lasting assimilation of Shiʿism that took place, which transformed Persia and made of it the principal stronghold and even—in an ahistorical sense—the homeland of Shiʿism.
    It was, however, nothing less than a reign of terror that inaugurated the new dispensation. On capturing Tabriz in 907/1501, a city two-thirds Sunnite in population, Shah Esmāʿil threatened with death all who might resist the adoption of Shiʿite prayer ritual in the main congregational mosque, and he had Qezelbāš soldiers patrol the congregation to ensure that none raise his voice against the cursing of the first three caliphs, viewed as enemies of the Prophet’s family. In Tabriz and elsewhere, gangs of professional execrators known as the tabarrāʾiān would accost the townsfolk at random, forcing them to curse the objectionable personages on pain of death. Selective killings of prominent Sunnites occurred in a large number of places, notably Qazvin and Isfahan, and in Shiraz and Yazd, outright massacres took place. Sunnite mosques were desecrated, and the tombs of eminent Sunnite scholars destroyed.
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/iran-ix23-shiism-in-iran-since-the-safavids
     
    I don't blame this on Shiahs necessarily, this seems to have been a Machiavellian scheme by the rulers to establish a religio-political identity to challenge the other powers of the region.

    So the racial aspects just don't fit historically or factually.

    May God protect you and yours.

    Dear Talha,

    …who adopted Shi’ism as official state creed (in order to distinguish themselves from Sunni Ottomans,

    don’t you wonder if it’s just possible that part of the motivation to distinguish themselves from the Sunni Ottomans might have had some tribal motivations as far as Persians not wanting to be dominated by Arabs and Turks?

    I know these things have grey areas and overlapping histories and agendas, just as there are Irish Protestants and British Catholics who align themselves with others based on many overlapping values and necessities. But I can’t help but wonder if tribalism has something to do with it. No?

    And if I have time, I’ll just add the issue of Hindu and Muslim in India and Pakistan as well, if there are similarities there as well to this kind of thing.

    Gods bless you always

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    But I can’t help but wonder if tribalism has something to do with it. No?
     
    Perhaps...I mean it is in the realm of possibility. The Abbasid revolt was already an organized Persian overthrow against the Arab-supremacist Ummayad order. And they pretty much ran the show for a while as Persians dominating much of the Muslim world. Of course that was brought to halt with the Mongols and then Tamerlane, etc. So I can see it as a way of regaining lost supremacy, but the Muslim polity had already been shattered by Mongol invasions and they could have set themselves up as another power alongside the Ottomans and the Mughals (not to mention the Afghan kingdoms) as another Sunni power base along ethnic lines. For instance, the Maghreb (Morocco, Andalus, etc.) had always been politically independent of the Abassid Caliphate and were Sunnis, so it's not like it was a necessary factor to establish a political identity - the efficacy is up for debate. The other thing is that it was such a top-down policy that it doesn't seem likely - to me - that the Persians (as an ethno-linguistic group) would have gone along with the sentiment unless coerced to the degree that they were.

    It gets fuzzy since this is all speculation.

    Peace.

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  151. @tbraton
    "I hope you realize I was asking a rhetorical question. "

    Well, it was certainly not obvious from your message that you were asking a rhetorical question. In fact, after rereading your post, it is still not obvious that the question was "rhetorical." Maybe you and I have different understandings about what a rhetorical question is. Here is what H.W. Fowler had to say about "rhetorical question" in his "Modern English Usage": "A question is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect. The assumption is that only one answer is possible, & that if the hearer is compelled to make it mentally himself it will impress him more than the speaker's statement." Here is your question:
    "Also, if it was founded only for Judeo-Christians then why did they claim to establish freedom of religion?” Could you point out what exactly makes that a "rhetorical question"?

    Getting to your main point, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were both products of the Enlightenment, which, for all its virtues, did have a tendency to engage in fancy rhetoric which aspired to universal grandiosity with little regard to realities. Thus, Thomas Jefferson could proclaim with a straight face that "all men are created equal" while owning hundreds of slaves and knowing full well that his intellect and education elevated him far above the lowest, poorest dirt farmer in Virginia. In the same way, the First Amendment could proclaim "freedom of religion," when the young Republic was composed overwhelmingly of Christians with just a handful of Jews and virtually no Muslims. If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation. The problem then was protecting some Christian sects, such as Roman Catholics and Baptists, from oppression from other Christian sects, such as Episcopalians and Congregationalists.

    BTW do you happen to have an academic background by any chance. The last time I was confronted with the issue of a "rhetorical question" was a few years ago when I sent out a statement posing a couple of basic, simple and direct questions re a certain issue involved in a condominium dispute. One respondent pointedly declined to answer a question, labeling it a "rhetorical question," which was certainly not my intention. I challenged him on it and got no response. Since he had a long career in academia, I concluded that it was simply a common debating tactic among academics in academia in their petty disputes to label a question from an opposing party as a "rhetorical question," without having a clue what that phrase actually meant.

    Yadda yadda yadda.

    Neither you, nor anyone else here has provided a shred of evidence to support this claim.:

    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. ”

    Taken in context, the statement means “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY].”

    If you, or anyone else can provide primary source evidence that the FF intended the USA to be for white Christians only, I’d be happy to see it for myself. Note to everyone else who feels like responding: I don’t want to hear your peripheral, distracting baloney and braying. Just provide the evidence requested or fuggedaboudit.

    My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect.”

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn’t answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?

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    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY].”
     
    forget the Jew stuff, it was founded by the founders, who were a representative of the people for whom it was founded, and their progeny. (white Christians)

    it was not founded exclusively for them alone, but for all for whom they considered would make good and welcome citizens and neighbors. (and with allowances for those who were already here)

    the point the poster was trying to make, if I'm not mistaken, was that it was not founded as a dumping ground for assorted Muslims and Mexicans and others with whom the founders and their families had little to nothing in common other than a taxonomic classification as belonging to the same species.

    It was not founded by or for Hindus

    It was not founded by or for Muslims

    It was not founded by or for Africans or Asians or Pacific Islanders or any other group of people other than those men and their families and communities who founded it.

    Now it's likely that if any of a member of one of these groups, like the many Jews in New England for instance, were sufficiently assimilatable and beneficial to the well-being of the republic or locality as perceived by those in a position to make such determinations, that they'd be welcome too. But it was created and founded and intended for such people as were the stock from whence the founders sprang. - As I suspect you're aware, and you were probably just looking for the commenter to delineate their reference to the contrarian expression of Judeo/Christian, as near as I can perceive.

    So this is a rhetorical post after all. ;)
    , @tbraton
    "My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect.”

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn’t answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?"

    Well, it's obvious from your response that, as I suspected, you don't have a clue what a "rhetorical question" is. You cite part of my definition from Fowler, and you offer up some gibberish involving a prior question posed by another commenter that is totally meaningless. But you omitted the key phrase that "only one answer is possible" to a rhetorical question. Here are a couple of common examples of rhetorical questions: "Is the Pope Catholic?" and "Does a bear shit in the woods?" Read this from a website I found:

    "Is The Pope Catholic?

    Meaning

    A jokey rhetorical question.

    Origin

    What we really want to know is 'does the Pope shit in the woods?'
    Like the unquestioned fact that bears shit in the woods, the Pope's Catholicism must be considered beyond doubt - hence the ironic humour in merely asking the question. Apart from the occasional dissident Catholic writer who might ask the question provocatively in order to make a theological point, no one would actually ask the question seriously. Anyone who uses the phrase does so in response to some other query that they wish to answer with a strong affirmative. An example of that, from the earliest citation of 'is the Pope Catholic' that I can find, was printed in The Oshkosh Daily Northwestern in November 1969:

    An avid sports fan Tom Pech of Oshkosh was asked before the library board meeting if he planned to attend the Packer-Lion game at Green Bay come Sunday. His reply? "Is the Pope Catholic?" http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/203600.html

    BTW, in response to your comment about the "Judeo/Christian" foundation of the U.S., as I pointed out in an earlier post, the number of Jews present in the U.S. in 1776 when the Republic was founded was between 1000 and 2500. Since the population of the 13 colonies was around 3 million, that means Jews comprised just 0.03 percent of the U.S. population at that time. To attribute any significant impact of Jews on early America is total BS. That might explain why no Jews were present at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The phrase "Judeo/Christian" was not formulated until sometime in the 1930's as a result of the events in Germany at that time and did not become popular until the 1940's and 1950's. It was a phrase devised by well-meaning Protestant church leaders to show solidarity with their Jewish brethren. It is a completely meaningless phrase, as far as I am concerned.

    I speculated earlier that you were using a phrase pretending to understand what it meant. If it weren't obvious before, it is obvious now that your screen name adequately describes you. You are full of sheete
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  152. Talha says:
    @Rurik
    Dear Talha,

    …who adopted Shi’ism as official state creed (in order to distinguish themselves from Sunni Ottomans,
     
    don't you wonder if it's just possible that part of the motivation to distinguish themselves from the Sunni Ottomans might have had some tribal motivations as far as Persians not wanting to be dominated by Arabs and Turks?

    I know these things have grey areas and overlapping histories and agendas, just as there are Irish Protestants and British Catholics who align themselves with others based on many overlapping values and necessities. But I can't help but wonder if tribalism has something to do with it. No?

    And if I have time, I'll just add the issue of Hindu and Muslim in India and Pakistan as well, if there are similarities there as well to this kind of thing.

    Gods bless you always

    But I can’t help but wonder if tribalism has something to do with it. No?

    Perhaps…I mean it is in the realm of possibility. The Abbasid revolt was already an organized Persian overthrow against the Arab-supremacist Ummayad order. And they pretty much ran the show for a while as Persians dominating much of the Muslim world. Of course that was brought to halt with the Mongols and then Tamerlane, etc. So I can see it as a way of regaining lost supremacy, but the Muslim polity had already been shattered by Mongol invasions and they could have set themselves up as another power alongside the Ottomans and the Mughals (not to mention the Afghan kingdoms) as another Sunni power base along ethnic lines. For instance, the Maghreb (Morocco, Andalus, etc.) had always been politically independent of the Abassid Caliphate and were Sunnis, so it’s not like it was a necessary factor to establish a political identity – the efficacy is up for debate. The other thing is that it was such a top-down policy that it doesn’t seem likely – to me – that the Persians (as an ethno-linguistic group) would have gone along with the sentiment unless coerced to the degree that they were.

    It gets fuzzy since this is all speculation.

    Peace.

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    And you chastise me for calling you a scholar. I think I could be forgiven for that.

    peace and thanks
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  153. @Talha
    Hey tbraton,

    If you were to do an exit poll from the Constitutional Convention, I am certain that none of the delegates (our Founding Fathers) would have agreed with a vision of the U.S. being anything other than a Christian nation.

     

    Not sure about 'none of the delegates would have agreed', maybe more like 'most delegates would have been surprised'. It is quite interesting, but some of these themes were explicitly discussed in the ratification of the Federal Constitution in North Carolina.

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, by the North Carolinans) that if religious tests were not in play, then "pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans".

    Counter points were made:
    "But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? "

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    " It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen."

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    "No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion."

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is an utterly fascinating read - and the debate encompasses so many of the valid points people make, on each side, to this day.

    Peace.

    Superb!

    Thanks.

    BTW, you probably already realize that if one wants to be a purist about it, a state can no more be Christian than can a state be Jewish.

    Why? Because states are founded on violence and true Christians and Jews are to put their faith in their G-d, not in some violent corruptible man-made institution.

    The idea goes something like this,“ To [my Jewish grandfather] Zionism was counterfeit Judaism and the Zionists charlatans. His Orthodox belief held that the re-establishment of Israel was a matter of God in the messianic future…”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/my-grandfather-sparked-my-interest-in-debate-over-zionism.html

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    Dear Jacues,

    Most welcome. I have personally met with anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews - nice folks!

    May God preserve you and yours.
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  154. Rurik says:
    @joe webb
    Rurik....one other thing....are you feeling nice and righteous? "Depravity"....is that all you got? Nazi? Racist? Blonde Beast? ( I especially like that one ), vile, noxious, odious, insect, virulent...all from the jewyorktimes lexicon.

    You got your chest all puffed up and are strutting around like Muhammed Ali. The Greeks never behaved like that, insulting their enemies, etc. But negroes really go in for the chest pounding swagger, the pimp-strut.

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights Crowd and a little also for liberals who also like to parade their prayers to Gaia.

    Animals have no Rights. The insane Asian injuns have their sacred cows. Suggest to them that that is kinda stupid, and they will kill you. Real spirituality.

    We as Whites treat animals better than any other race. myself included. But it is a mark of White compassion or kindness, not Rights. No other race has it.

    We save the Whales, we save the alligators (big mistake), we have a zillion organizations for animal protection, fisheries are monitored, and on and on.

    You are an idiot and a self righteous prig. Are you White? Probably not.

    Joe Webb

    Joe,

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights

    kind of yes

    all your talk of low IQ minorities and nefarious Jews are not what I’m on about right now, in response to your comment about wiping out species if they’re inconvenient. (not that I’m unsympathetic to the tragic loss of those parents who lost their little one to the alligator)

    What I’m talking about is man’s blind myopia when it comes to wiping out the natural world in order to plop down more casinos and amusement park$. More subdivisions and industrial sprawl. He, (you) seem to only understand your wallet, and have no appreciation for a unspoiled vista, full of ancient and timeless wild things that you neither understand nor care one whit for, but whose value to this planet and future generations is just as ineffable as your new car.

    Humans are indeed vile creatures insofar as they’re wiling to wipe out everything else in their blind, hubristic greed. Yes, you’re correct that it’s mostly white folks who’re concerned about such things, but not nearly concerned enough, because in my lifetime we are going to be witness to the extinction of many forms of life to make room for a few billion more consumers and tax slaves. All to benefit the farmer class that farms these bipedal consumer apes.

    It’s a sin. And future generations will look at what we’ve done and curse us for our short-sighted greed and selfishness.

    Look at it this way Joe, sort of to speak to you in your own language. Look at what the 70 IQ denizens of Haiti did to their side of the Island of Hispaniola. They mindlessly overpopulated the “Jewel of the Caribbean” until it is little more than a mud pit of poverty and despair. Vs. the rather more intelligent 85 IQ citizens of the Dominican Republic, that have done much more to protect their lush and bountiful side of the same island.

    Here’s am image of part of the island at the border, with the Haiti side showing the barren deforestation and desolation, vs. the D.R. side that’s still lush.

    that’s all I’m saying Joe. Why act like the Haitians and wipe it all out, and leave a mud pit and pictures and videos of herds of elephants and roaming lions and pods of dolphins for the future generations of children to look at and marvel at and ask why mankind wiped them all out. And you’d be forced to answer that it was because he was blinded by his own vanity, and considered all the life on the planet as his to exploit even until the point of total extinction, because some of them were inconvenient to that additional subdivision or those offshore oil platform$.

    I’m not trying to sound superior, I’m just asking us all to look at creation and try to see it with the eyes of the generations to come. And ask ourselves if we really care so little about the kind of world we’re leaving behind that we’d shove off the planet all the rhinos and great apes and other magnificent creatures out of our greed and arrogance and stupidity. That’s all.

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    Ask him if he has kids or plans to - that will likely settle the matter.
    , @Jacques Sheete
    Google Earth seems to confirm what your pic link shows.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Haiti/@19.0317358,-72.2335415,224286m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8eb6c6f37fcbbb11:0xb51438b24c54f6d3!8m2!3d18.971187!4d-72.285215
    , @L.K
    Dear Rurik,

    Just a piece of unsolicited free advice; don't waste your time on this troll, joe webb.
    Like the saying goes, you r casting pearls b4 swine.

    ps: for all his talk of IQ, joe boy is a dumb cluck and a one-trick poney.
    , @joe webb
    I tried subtly, to suggest that you don't have a sense of humor. Now let me state loud and clear, you cannot recognize satire when you read it.

    I agree with regard to your somewhat cloyingly presented righteous indignation.

    The thing is , that the wretched colored folks will and do destroy much more than Whites. Look at the shark fisheries...100 million sharks taken every year is the stat, which I find hard to believe, but it is way up there . Or the chinks...they are the sexually creepy who buy the rhino horn, the tiger penis, and for all I know chink queers buy the elephant tusks to shove up their backsides, (not that there is anything wrong with that...the Seinfeld line for the youngsters here.)

    The only race who cares and is willing to do something about it is us Whites. Incidentally, you go to the State parks and the only people there are Whites, with now a few chinks riding around in cars.

    In Grand Tetons a couple years ago, I noticed some blacks in the camp ground. I commented to a ranger about how nice it was to see some blacks enjoying nature. Ranger said they just come up to party. They were there visiting the their bros who work at the lodge as service workers. Rangers have to tell them to shut-up at the 10pm curfew. Probably got some hos there too. I never see a black on trails. US Southerners will tell you that blacks, if they buy a house, tend to cut down trees...too "snaky." Genetics after a zllion years in Africa.

    Whites built the first parks, like in the US last century. Chinkdom now has massive industrial waste poisoning of their wells and other water sources.

    Every Naturalist is a White. Every extreme sport athlete is a White. Never mind the rest of it.
    We are Natural Adventurers, Explorers, and yes, we kick some black/brown ass now and then. part of the evolutionary scheme. Stone Age types get run over by smarter folks. Just like in Nature, which is beautiful and also partially red in tooth and claw. So Be It. Nature is not for Pussies. Civil War is for Men, not girlieboys or women. ( Women in combat? funnier than muzzie ecumenism ). Pray for a muzzie with firearm getting into the white house, or congress; that should do it.

    By the way, how many of you folk know that Great White Sharks have taste buds in their teeth. Now That is some Natural Wonder.

    Joe Webb
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  155. Talha says:
    @Rurik
    Joe,

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights
     
    kind of yes

    all your talk of low IQ minorities and nefarious Jews are not what I'm on about right now, in response to your comment about wiping out species if they're inconvenient. (not that I'm unsympathetic to the tragic loss of those parents who lost their little one to the alligator)

    What I'm talking about is man's blind myopia when it comes to wiping out the natural world in order to plop down more casinos and amusement park$. More subdivisions and industrial sprawl. He, (you) seem to only understand your wallet, and have no appreciation for a unspoiled vista, full of ancient and timeless wild things that you neither understand nor care one whit for, but whose value to this planet and future generations is just as ineffable as your new car.

    Humans are indeed vile creatures insofar as they're wiling to wipe out everything else in their blind, hubristic greed. Yes, you're correct that it's mostly white folks who're concerned about such things, but not nearly concerned enough, because in my lifetime we are going to be witness to the extinction of many forms of life to make room for a few billion more consumers and tax slaves. All to benefit the farmer class that farms these bipedal consumer apes.

    It's a sin. And future generations will look at what we've done and curse us for our short-sighted greed and selfishness.

    Look at it this way Joe, sort of to speak to you in your own language. Look at what the 70 IQ denizens of Haiti did to their side of the Island of Hispaniola. They mindlessly overpopulated the "Jewel of the Caribbean" until it is little more than a mud pit of poverty and despair. Vs. the rather more intelligent 85 IQ citizens of the Dominican Republic, that have done much more to protect their lush and bountiful side of the same island.

    Here's am image of part of the island at the border, with the Haiti side showing the barren deforestation and desolation, vs. the D.R. side that's still lush.

    http://oglhaiti.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/haitidominicanboarder1.jpg

    that's all I'm saying Joe. Why act like the Haitians and wipe it all out, and leave a mud pit and pictures and videos of herds of elephants and roaming lions and pods of dolphins for the future generations of children to look at and marvel at and ask why mankind wiped them all out. And you'd be forced to answer that it was because he was blinded by his own vanity, and considered all the life on the planet as his to exploit even until the point of total extinction, because some of them were inconvenient to that additional subdivision or those offshore oil platform$.

    I'm not trying to sound superior, I'm just asking us all to look at creation and try to see it with the eyes of the generations to come. And ask ourselves if we really care so little about the kind of world we're leaving behind that we'd shove off the planet all the rhinos and great apes and other magnificent creatures out of our greed and arrogance and stupidity. That's all.

    Ask him if he has kids or plans to – that will likely settle the matter.

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  156. Art says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    Yeah, whatever. No need to state the obvious and make moronic insinuations that I'm being intellectually dishonest.

    No one has yet made the case for the idea that the "founders" intended the USA to be for white Christians only.

    Once again, the issue revolves around this claim.: "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians."

    The US was founded by white males; are we therefore to assume that they intended to exclude females as well??

    Once again, the issue revolves around this claim.: “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians.”

    I also do not believe that statement is correct. I believe that most of our FF did not believe that.

    Certainly not the Judeo part.

    Judeo/Christian is an oxymoron. They are as different as day and night.

    I did not read the statement correctly.

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  157. Talha says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    Superb!

    Thanks.

    BTW, you probably already realize that if one wants to be a purist about it, a state can no more be Christian than can a state be Jewish.

    Why? Because states are founded on violence and true Christians and Jews are to put their faith in their G-d, not in some violent corruptible man-made institution.

    The idea goes something like this,“ To [my Jewish grandfather] Zionism was counterfeit Judaism and the Zionists charlatans. His Orthodox belief held that the re-establishment of Israel was a matter of God in the messianic future..."

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/my-grandfather-sparked-my-interest-in-debate-over-zionism.html

    Dear Jacues,

    Most welcome. I have personally met with anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews – nice folks!

    May God preserve you and yours.

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  158. @Rurik
    Joe,

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights
     
    kind of yes

    all your talk of low IQ minorities and nefarious Jews are not what I'm on about right now, in response to your comment about wiping out species if they're inconvenient. (not that I'm unsympathetic to the tragic loss of those parents who lost their little one to the alligator)

    What I'm talking about is man's blind myopia when it comes to wiping out the natural world in order to plop down more casinos and amusement park$. More subdivisions and industrial sprawl. He, (you) seem to only understand your wallet, and have no appreciation for a unspoiled vista, full of ancient and timeless wild things that you neither understand nor care one whit for, but whose value to this planet and future generations is just as ineffable as your new car.

    Humans are indeed vile creatures insofar as they're wiling to wipe out everything else in their blind, hubristic greed. Yes, you're correct that it's mostly white folks who're concerned about such things, but not nearly concerned enough, because in my lifetime we are going to be witness to the extinction of many forms of life to make room for a few billion more consumers and tax slaves. All to benefit the farmer class that farms these bipedal consumer apes.

    It's a sin. And future generations will look at what we've done and curse us for our short-sighted greed and selfishness.

    Look at it this way Joe, sort of to speak to you in your own language. Look at what the 70 IQ denizens of Haiti did to their side of the Island of Hispaniola. They mindlessly overpopulated the "Jewel of the Caribbean" until it is little more than a mud pit of poverty and despair. Vs. the rather more intelligent 85 IQ citizens of the Dominican Republic, that have done much more to protect their lush and bountiful side of the same island.

    Here's am image of part of the island at the border, with the Haiti side showing the barren deforestation and desolation, vs. the D.R. side that's still lush.

    http://oglhaiti.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/haitidominicanboarder1.jpg

    that's all I'm saying Joe. Why act like the Haitians and wipe it all out, and leave a mud pit and pictures and videos of herds of elephants and roaming lions and pods of dolphins for the future generations of children to look at and marvel at and ask why mankind wiped them all out. And you'd be forced to answer that it was because he was blinded by his own vanity, and considered all the life on the planet as his to exploit even until the point of total extinction, because some of them were inconvenient to that additional subdivision or those offshore oil platform$.

    I'm not trying to sound superior, I'm just asking us all to look at creation and try to see it with the eyes of the generations to come. And ask ourselves if we really care so little about the kind of world we're leaving behind that we'd shove off the planet all the rhinos and great apes and other magnificent creatures out of our greed and arrogance and stupidity. That's all.
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  159. Rurik says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    Yadda yadda yadda.

    Neither you, nor anyone else here has provided a shred of evidence to support this claim.:

    "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. "

    Taken in context, the statement means "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY]."

    If you, or anyone else can provide primary source evidence that the FF intended the USA to be for white Christians only, I'd be happy to see it for myself. Note to everyone else who feels like responding: I don't want to hear your peripheral, distracting baloney and braying. Just provide the evidence requested or fuggedaboudit.

    My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect."

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn't answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?

    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY].”

    forget the Jew stuff, it was founded by the founders, who were a representative of the people for whom it was founded, and their progeny. (white Christians)

    it was not founded exclusively for them alone, but for all for whom they considered would make good and welcome citizens and neighbors. (and with allowances for those who were already here)

    the point the poster was trying to make, if I’m not mistaken, was that it was not founded as a dumping ground for assorted Muslims and Mexicans and others with whom the founders and their families had little to nothing in common other than a taxonomic classification as belonging to the same species.

    It was not founded by or for Hindus

    It was not founded by or for Muslims

    It was not founded by or for Africans or Asians or Pacific Islanders or any other group of people other than those men and their families and communities who founded it.

    Now it’s likely that if any of a member of one of these groups, like the many Jews in New England for instance, were sufficiently assimilatable and beneficial to the well-being of the republic or locality as perceived by those in a position to make such determinations, that they’d be welcome too. But it was created and founded and intended for such people as were the stock from whence the founders sprang. – As I suspect you’re aware, and you were probably just looking for the commenter to delineate their reference to the contrarian expression of Judeo/Christian, as near as I can perceive.

    So this is a rhetorical post after all. ;)

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    "...it was not founded exclusively for them alone..."


    Good God, that's exactly the point I was trying to get the original commenter, Jeanne at post #93, to see!

    Do you people even follow threads before making comments and blathering on about stuff everyone should already know?

    Sheesh, even!
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  160. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    But I can’t help but wonder if tribalism has something to do with it. No?
     
    Perhaps...I mean it is in the realm of possibility. The Abbasid revolt was already an organized Persian overthrow against the Arab-supremacist Ummayad order. And they pretty much ran the show for a while as Persians dominating much of the Muslim world. Of course that was brought to halt with the Mongols and then Tamerlane, etc. So I can see it as a way of regaining lost supremacy, but the Muslim polity had already been shattered by Mongol invasions and they could have set themselves up as another power alongside the Ottomans and the Mughals (not to mention the Afghan kingdoms) as another Sunni power base along ethnic lines. For instance, the Maghreb (Morocco, Andalus, etc.) had always been politically independent of the Abassid Caliphate and were Sunnis, so it's not like it was a necessary factor to establish a political identity - the efficacy is up for debate. The other thing is that it was such a top-down policy that it doesn't seem likely - to me - that the Persians (as an ethno-linguistic group) would have gone along with the sentiment unless coerced to the degree that they were.

    It gets fuzzy since this is all speculation.

    Peace.

    And you chastise me for calling you a scholar. I think I could be forgiven for that.

    peace and thanks

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  161. Kiza says:
    @Rurik
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19YlwQPYEjk

    check out the reflection in her glasses

    Yes, that is another stinky, this time from NBC News live (my example was from Fox News live). All such faults in the live news get edited out in later editions. But to even get caught like this is a sign of terribly low professionalism and strong disdain for the audience.

    To be fair this does not prove that Orlando massacre did not happen, it just proves that MSM are habitual liars and fixers with credibility equal to absolute zero (cannot sink any lower). As I have been writing for a while now – the MSM do not add, they subtract from our knowledge and understanding of the world. Following MSM is like going into a tent at a village fair to watch the illusionist’s show created for illusionist’s profit. Good luck with a view of the world you gain from that.

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    To be fair this does not prove that Orlando massacre did not happen, it just proves that MSM are habitual liars and fixers with credibility equal to absolute zero (cannot sink any lower).
     
    I agree

    As I have been writing for a while now – the MSM do not add, they subtract from our knowledge and understanding of the world. Following MSM is like going into a tent at a village fair to watch the illusionist’s show created for illusionist’s profit. Good luck with a view of the world you gain from that.
     
    yea, only that sounds too benign. I'd compare it more to swallowing Jim Jones's Kool-Aid. The intent is the same, even if the effects take a little longer
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  162. L.K says:
    @Rurik
    Joe,

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights
     
    kind of yes

    all your talk of low IQ minorities and nefarious Jews are not what I'm on about right now, in response to your comment about wiping out species if they're inconvenient. (not that I'm unsympathetic to the tragic loss of those parents who lost their little one to the alligator)

    What I'm talking about is man's blind myopia when it comes to wiping out the natural world in order to plop down more casinos and amusement park$. More subdivisions and industrial sprawl. He, (you) seem to only understand your wallet, and have no appreciation for a unspoiled vista, full of ancient and timeless wild things that you neither understand nor care one whit for, but whose value to this planet and future generations is just as ineffable as your new car.

    Humans are indeed vile creatures insofar as they're wiling to wipe out everything else in their blind, hubristic greed. Yes, you're correct that it's mostly white folks who're concerned about such things, but not nearly concerned enough, because in my lifetime we are going to be witness to the extinction of many forms of life to make room for a few billion more consumers and tax slaves. All to benefit the farmer class that farms these bipedal consumer apes.

    It's a sin. And future generations will look at what we've done and curse us for our short-sighted greed and selfishness.

    Look at it this way Joe, sort of to speak to you in your own language. Look at what the 70 IQ denizens of Haiti did to their side of the Island of Hispaniola. They mindlessly overpopulated the "Jewel of the Caribbean" until it is little more than a mud pit of poverty and despair. Vs. the rather more intelligent 85 IQ citizens of the Dominican Republic, that have done much more to protect their lush and bountiful side of the same island.

    Here's am image of part of the island at the border, with the Haiti side showing the barren deforestation and desolation, vs. the D.R. side that's still lush.

    http://oglhaiti.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/haitidominicanboarder1.jpg

    that's all I'm saying Joe. Why act like the Haitians and wipe it all out, and leave a mud pit and pictures and videos of herds of elephants and roaming lions and pods of dolphins for the future generations of children to look at and marvel at and ask why mankind wiped them all out. And you'd be forced to answer that it was because he was blinded by his own vanity, and considered all the life on the planet as his to exploit even until the point of total extinction, because some of them were inconvenient to that additional subdivision or those offshore oil platform$.

    I'm not trying to sound superior, I'm just asking us all to look at creation and try to see it with the eyes of the generations to come. And ask ourselves if we really care so little about the kind of world we're leaving behind that we'd shove off the planet all the rhinos and great apes and other magnificent creatures out of our greed and arrogance and stupidity. That's all.

    Dear Rurik,

    Just a piece of unsolicited free advice; don’t waste your time on this troll, joe webb.
    Like the saying goes, you r casting pearls b4 swine.

    ps: for all his talk of IQ, joe boy is a dumb cluck and a one-trick poney.

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    'poney' is spelled pony. joe webb
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  163. @Kiza
    It appears that at least some of the victims have been shot by the SWAT team, as one would expect in any hostage situation. This could then explain the high killing and wounding score, which would otherwise suggest multiple shooters, no matter what kind of automatic weapon the shooter had.

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said: “I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation, but I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”
     
    Just imagine the logic of the police chief's statement: the gunman shot at them so they kept shooting back, damn the hostages. Any normal person would assume that the police have no reason to shoot back as long as the perpetrator is shooting at them (highly protected with all kinds of armor), they should shoot only if the perpetrator was shooting at the unarmed and unprotected hostages. The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.

    Sure, it’s likely that the local constabulary merrily blazed away at anything and everything, without regard for the gunman or innocents. And if that, in fact, is what happened, we’ll never know–it’ll be deep-sixed.

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  164. L.K says:
    @Rurik
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19YlwQPYEjk

    check out the reflection in her glasses

    In the spirit of what you and Kiza have been discussing, one thing that has always bothered me in regards to these more recent mass shootings which have taken place during the Obama administration, is the reaction of relatives – who supposedly have just brutally lost close loved ones – during interviews:
    Often, they just sound quite phony, what do u guys think?

    Man who is said to have lost his mother in the Charleston Church Shooting, @ 0:58 he even smiles.

    San Bernardino – they don’t seem like a grieving family to me at all, the girl is just ridiculous. But what about the spin about the dead mother being a Christian who fled religious extremism(Islam) after the revolution of 79 in … Iran, hahaha, and then ‘ironically’ gets murdered by ISIS muslem extremists in Zamerica. Btw, both Christianity and Judaism are protected in Iran.

    The Sandy Hook “Do You Want Me To Read The Card?”
    The first dude appears relaxed, smiling, talking, then seems to concentrate to get into character… weird stuff.

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    As I stated before, such clear proof of MSM lying is not a proof that the tragic event did not happen. The MSM have been given by the Western Governments and power-brokers (TPTB) the portfolio of spinning the population in a certain direction. If they cannot find a subject willing to talk about a relative killed, either because no-one was really killed, or because the last thing a grieving relative would want to do whilst in grief is talk with an MSM lizard on air, they still need to feed the tube-beast and they have to create. With digital technology it is so easy to create news and no-one ever suffers consequences if caught, you know the old: I was just following orders, It is all for the greater good etc, so why not? If politicians now have a licence to murder, lie and steal (domestically and abroad) why would not their faithful, revolving door presstitutes, get away with a bit of useful creativity? MSM lying is part and parcel of the general decline of everything in the West, starting from the economy and finance.
    , @Rurik
    Hey LK,

    Yea, I figure the Charleston church shooting was a faked event. I remember they had this loser holding a confederate flag and a US flag with the same limp, disinterested, manchurian stare, and then he goes out and shoots some church ladies. Yea, right.

    And their agenda was so brazenly howled from every bullhorn of the Beast that it was like a fright train in your living room. The Confederate flag = shooting black church ladies!!!!

    the usual way you can tell if the whole story is rotten from top to bottom is if they were running a drill, like they were on 911 and 7/7 and Sandy Hook and Boston "bombing", and so forth.

    My problem with Orlando is cui bono. They (the Fiend) clearly wants more immigration, (Muslim and otherwise) not less, so having this guy do what he did plays directly into Donald Trump's hand. And divides their coalition of 'it's all of us against them'. The 'them' being traditional Americans and the 'us' being all the butt hurt losers who resent traditional Americans for having built a great (and now dying) nation. BLM and the LGBT community and Muslim immigrants are all supposed to act as warriors against the white racists and bigots who don't want to become Muslim and gay.

    But now you have gays looking crossways at their fellow Muslim warriors in the great culture war Jihad against whitey (traditional Americans).

    http://patriotrising.com/2016/06/16/ar-15s-flying-off-shelves-sales-surge-among-gays-lesbians/

    http://patriotrising.com/2016/06/16/gun-range-selling-free-concealed-handgun-courses-lgbt/

    this can't be good

    So I suspect that this psycho might have gone nuts and killed some folks, and now they're just lying 24/7 (like they always do) to spin it to fit some agenda of theirs, like using it as a pretext to bomb Assad.

    But in truth, I really have no idea what happened or why
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  165. Clyde says:
    @Kiza
    Please recommend me for banning because you, oh know so much. An invasion of Hasbara trolls and worse and worse characters commenting at unz.com. If Mr. Giraldi decided to weed out trolls, you could find yourself in the basket first, not to mention Saker (you do not even know which article you are commenting on).

    I expected such response in place of an example of Hezbollah and ISIS cooperation. I touched the raw Hasbara nerve by mentioning that Israel supports ISIS (medical assistance, bombing of SAA at the opportune moments etc).

    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings. Pathetic! And I remember how Lenin used to talk about the useful idiots.

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    And you know what I am known as in Tel Aviv and what Lenin would call me because you must be a Lenin's cousin, from his maternal father's (Jewish) side: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html. This is how you get such relevant info from Tel Aviv, from the Hasbara Central.
    , @Art
    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings.

    So Clyde,

    Tell us - is Tel Aviv hasbara central for the world?

    Do all you Little Jews get your marching orders and talking points from the Big Jews in Tel Aviv?

    It is all soooooo exciting!

    Thanks --- Art
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  166. tbraton says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    Yadda yadda yadda.

    Neither you, nor anyone else here has provided a shred of evidence to support this claim.:

    "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians. "

    Taken in context, the statement means "The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY]."

    If you, or anyone else can provide primary source evidence that the FF intended the USA to be for white Christians only, I'd be happy to see it for myself. Note to everyone else who feels like responding: I don't want to hear your peripheral, distracting baloney and braying. Just provide the evidence requested or fuggedaboudit.

    My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect."

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn't answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?

    “My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect.”

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn’t answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?”

    Well, it’s obvious from your response that, as I suspected, you don’t have a clue what a “rhetorical question” is. You cite part of my definition from Fowler, and you offer up some gibberish involving a prior question posed by another commenter that is totally meaningless. But you omitted the key phrase that “only one answer is possible” to a rhetorical question. Here are a couple of common examples of rhetorical questions: “Is the Pope Catholic?” and “Does a bear shit in the woods?” Read this from a website I found:

    “Is The Pope Catholic?

    Meaning

    A jokey rhetorical question.

    Origin

    What we really want to know is ‘does the Pope shit in the woods?’
    Like the unquestioned fact that bears shit in the woods, the Pope’s Catholicism must be considered beyond doubt – hence the ironic humour in merely asking the question. Apart from the occasional dissident Catholic writer who might ask the question provocatively in order to make a theological point, no one would actually ask the question seriously. Anyone who uses the phrase does so in response to some other query that they wish to answer with a strong affirmative. An example of that, from the earliest citation of ‘is the Pope Catholic’ that I can find, was printed in The Oshkosh Daily Northwestern in November 1969:

    An avid sports fan Tom Pech of Oshkosh was asked before the library board meeting if he planned to attend the Packer-Lion game at Green Bay come Sunday. His reply? “Is the Pope Catholic?” http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/203600.html

    BTW, in response to your comment about the “Judeo/Christian” foundation of the U.S., as I pointed out in an earlier post, the number of Jews present in the U.S. in 1776 when the Republic was founded was between 1000 and 2500. Since the population of the 13 colonies was around 3 million, that means Jews comprised just 0.03 percent of the U.S. population at that time. To attribute any significant impact of Jews on early America is total BS. That might explain why no Jews were present at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The phrase “Judeo/Christian” was not formulated until sometime in the 1930′s as a result of the events in Germany at that time and did not become popular until the 1940′s and 1950′s. It was a phrase devised by well-meaning Protestant church leaders to show solidarity with their Jewish brethren. It is a completely meaningless phrase, as far as I am concerned.

    I speculated earlier that you were using a phrase pretending to understand what it meant. If it weren’t obvious before, it is obvious now that your screen name adequately describes you. You are full of sheete

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    Well, at least your long winded and off subject diatribe is good for a few laughs even though I only skimmed it.

    Bottom line: Neither you nor any other rambling bonehead can offer a shred of proof that the USA was ever intended to be a white Christian theocracy. If we believe the rhetoric of the FF, it was established to be inclusive (as per Enlightenment ideals as you yourself mentioned) and today's anti-immigrant crowd are neither "Christian" nor nor enlightened, nor knowledgeable, nor intelligent.

    So far you've only proven how obtuse you are, how quickly you stoop to engage in snarky, petty personal attacks, how willing you are to set up straw-men and how unskilled you are in attempting to dodge the real issue, none of which I have time for, and all of which are characteristic of vacuous blowhards, I'm done.

    Case closed.
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  167. Kiza says:
    @Clyde
    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings. Pathetic! And I remember how Lenin used to talk about the useful idiots.

    And you know what I am known as in Tel Aviv and what Lenin would call me because you must be a Lenin’s cousin, from his maternal father’s (Jewish) side: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html. This is how you get such relevant info from Tel Aviv, from the Hasbara Central.

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    And how would you know that Tel Aviv is Hasbara Central unless this is where you get your Shekels from. You are not as smart as you think.
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  168. @Anatoly Karlin
    Incidentally, I'm waiting for Masha Gessen's article on how the roots of Omar Mateen's rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    “Incidentally, I’m waiting for Masha Gessen’s article on how the roots of Omar Mateen’s rage lay in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.”

    Not if Julia Ioffe, Lilia Shevtsova, or one of a half dozen other Gessen clones beats her to it!

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  169. Kiza says:
    @L.K
    In the spirit of what you and Kiza have been discussing, one thing that has always bothered me in regards to these more recent mass shootings which have taken place during the Obama administration, is the reaction of relatives - who supposedly have just brutally lost close loved ones - during interviews:
    Often, they just sound quite phony, what do u guys think?

    Man who is said to have lost his mother in the Charleston Church Shooting, @ 0:58 he even smiles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81__Jc1ZEkQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBSjQJEC3rQ

    San Bernardino – they don’t seem like a grieving family to me at all, the girl is just ridiculous. But what about the spin about the dead mother being a Christian who fled religious extremism(Islam) after the revolution of 79 in ... Iran, hahaha, and then ‘ironically’ gets murdered by ISIS muslem extremists in Zamerica. Btw, both Christianity and Judaism are protected in Iran.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9FuCQX42I


    The Sandy Hook "Do You Want Me To Read The Card?"
    The first dude appears relaxed, smiling, talking, then seems to concentrate to get into character... weird stuff.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV20DtXBuQs

    As I stated before, such clear proof of MSM lying is not a proof that the tragic event did not happen. The MSM have been given by the Western Governments and power-brokers (TPTB) the portfolio of spinning the population in a certain direction. If they cannot find a subject willing to talk about a relative killed, either because no-one was really killed, or because the last thing a grieving relative would want to do whilst in grief is talk with an MSM lizard on air, they still need to feed the tube-beast and they have to create. With digital technology it is so easy to create news and no-one ever suffers consequences if caught, you know the old: I was just following orders, It is all for the greater good etc, so why not? If politicians now have a licence to murder, lie and steal (domestically and abroad) why would not their faithful, revolving door presstitutes, get away with a bit of useful creativity? MSM lying is part and parcel of the general decline of everything in the West, starting from the economy and finance.

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  170. Art says:
    @Clyde
    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings. Pathetic! And I remember how Lenin used to talk about the useful idiots.

    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings.

    So Clyde,

    Tell us – is Tel Aviv hasbara central for the world?

    Do all you Little Jews get your marching orders and talking points from the Big Jews in Tel Aviv?

    It is all soooooo exciting!

    Thanks — Art

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    You also have a nickname in Tel Aviv hasbara circles but it's too foul to mention here. Ask your Zio-paymaster what it is.
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  171. We are here and it is now: further than that, all human knowledge is moonshine.
    A Mencken Chrestomathy (1949)

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  172. @Jonathan Revusky

    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism.
     
    But Anatoly Karlin is an expert on Islam. He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.

    And he watched the Disney movie Aladdin multiple times!

    Glad to hear I am living rent free in your head.

    He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.

    I never said I had lived in London. Idiot.

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    Glad to hear I am living rent free in your head.
     
    Well, the essay I wrote in which I developed the concept of the HIQI, the High IQ Idiot is definitely about you, but it is not specifically about you, no.

    Anyway, part of your problem is HIQI-ness definitely, that you have basically no concept of a deeper analysis of events. Moreover, if somebody with a deeper analysis tries to tell you something, you will angrily reject it and call the person a "conspiracy theorist" or whatever. For you, the superficial presentation in the media is the "truth" and any deeper analysis is just "conspiracy theories." Basically, you are intellectually castrated.

    But it's not just you. There's a group of writers on this site who broadly have the same problem. Fred Reed, Steve Sailer, Derbyshire...

    You guys see an event like this and you just take it at face value. It doesn't occur to you to ask even very basic questions. For example, really what is the likelihood that an organically ocurring event would intersect with all these narratives and talking points -- Afghanistan, ISIS, homos, gun control.... the fact that this doesn't raise any warning bells with you just shows how little grasp of deep politics you have.

    And besides, there is just the absurdity of the whole idea. Like you think there really is some political movement in the Middle East that wants to just kill random fags in Florida? What political goal does this further for them? It's ridiculous.

    You just don't ask these very basic sorts of questions. And if somebody else brings them up, you just hurl these idiotic insults like conspiratard or whatever.

    I never said I had lived in London. Idiot.
     
    That's true. What you said was the following:

    I had the dubious pleasure of living right next to a Muslim majority area of Britain for a couple of years, so...
     
    That was here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I made a mistake. I thought you had said London and you had said Britain. It's a natural mistake I think, but it's not very relevant. The statement is utterly unserious regardless, the idea that this makes you somehow knowledgeable about Islamic culture or something.

    It's just not something a serious person would say. And the whole tenor of the discussion that ensued was just what a dishonest little jerk you are. I reread that and I am satisfied that I made mincemeat out of you in that discussion. The problem is not just that you are a HIQI. You are quite dishonest and rather immature at that. It became quite obvious in the discussion.

    It's a pity actually because you are a reasonably smart, knowledgeable guy on some levels, but overall, given your characterological issues, I can't really pay much attention to anything you write. It's bound to be mostly worthless. I don't find you to be intellectually honest. You're also an arrogant prick and nobody can tell you anything. Maybe in ten years or so what you write will have some value when you've grown up a bit.
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  173. Clyde says:
    @Kiza
    And you know what I am known as in Tel Aviv and what Lenin would call me because you must be a Lenin's cousin, from his maternal father's (Jewish) side: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html. This is how you get such relevant info from Tel Aviv, from the Hasbara Central.

    And how would you know that Tel Aviv is Hasbara Central unless this is where you get your Shekels from. You are not as smart as you think.

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  174. @tbraton
    "My question was rhetorical because, as you note, a rhetorical question is “A question [which]is often put not to elicit information, but as a more striking substitute for a statement of contrary effect.”

    I never intended for it to elicit information because I knew the commenter couldn’t answer it. I asked mainly to get the mental juices flowing although I held nary a shred of hope of that happening. Capish?"

    Well, it's obvious from your response that, as I suspected, you don't have a clue what a "rhetorical question" is. You cite part of my definition from Fowler, and you offer up some gibberish involving a prior question posed by another commenter that is totally meaningless. But you omitted the key phrase that "only one answer is possible" to a rhetorical question. Here are a couple of common examples of rhetorical questions: "Is the Pope Catholic?" and "Does a bear shit in the woods?" Read this from a website I found:

    "Is The Pope Catholic?

    Meaning

    A jokey rhetorical question.

    Origin

    What we really want to know is 'does the Pope shit in the woods?'
    Like the unquestioned fact that bears shit in the woods, the Pope's Catholicism must be considered beyond doubt - hence the ironic humour in merely asking the question. Apart from the occasional dissident Catholic writer who might ask the question provocatively in order to make a theological point, no one would actually ask the question seriously. Anyone who uses the phrase does so in response to some other query that they wish to answer with a strong affirmative. An example of that, from the earliest citation of 'is the Pope Catholic' that I can find, was printed in The Oshkosh Daily Northwestern in November 1969:

    An avid sports fan Tom Pech of Oshkosh was asked before the library board meeting if he planned to attend the Packer-Lion game at Green Bay come Sunday. His reply? "Is the Pope Catholic?" http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/203600.html

    BTW, in response to your comment about the "Judeo/Christian" foundation of the U.S., as I pointed out in an earlier post, the number of Jews present in the U.S. in 1776 when the Republic was founded was between 1000 and 2500. Since the population of the 13 colonies was around 3 million, that means Jews comprised just 0.03 percent of the U.S. population at that time. To attribute any significant impact of Jews on early America is total BS. That might explain why no Jews were present at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The phrase "Judeo/Christian" was not formulated until sometime in the 1930's as a result of the events in Germany at that time and did not become popular until the 1940's and 1950's. It was a phrase devised by well-meaning Protestant church leaders to show solidarity with their Jewish brethren. It is a completely meaningless phrase, as far as I am concerned.

    I speculated earlier that you were using a phrase pretending to understand what it meant. If it weren't obvious before, it is obvious now that your screen name adequately describes you. You are full of sheete

    Well, at least your long winded and off subject diatribe is good for a few laughs even though I only skimmed it.

    Bottom line: Neither you nor any other rambling bonehead can offer a shred of proof that the USA was ever intended to be a white Christian theocracy. If we believe the rhetoric of the FF, it was established to be inclusive (as per Enlightenment ideals as you yourself mentioned) and today’s anti-immigrant crowd are neither “Christian” nor nor enlightened, nor knowledgeable, nor intelligent.

    So far you’ve only proven how obtuse you are, how quickly you stoop to engage in snarky, petty personal attacks, how willing you are to set up straw-men and how unskilled you are in attempting to dodge the real issue, none of which I have time for, and all of which are characteristic of vacuous blowhards, I’m done.

    Case closed.

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    Well, Mr. Shiite, my post was directed at your specific use of the "rhetorical question" meme, and I pointed out that you clearly didn't know what you were talking about. Nothing in your response challenges my assertion. In fact, there is not one word in your response directed at the "rhetorical question" issue, which you raised in the first place, apparently because you lack the intellectual wherewithal to compose a coherent, intelligent response on that issue or don't know what to say. Nevertheless, despite the fact that it is your own ignorance that is on full display, you insist on throwing out some insults at me. That tells me that you must be Jewish because that is a characteristic that I have only observed only among Jews. Not all Jews, but a subset of Jews, who try to make up for their own ignorance and inadequacies by launching unprovoked insults at another party. I saw that last summer when I posted something on Prof. Petras' blog about the ancient Jews' religious beliefs, which turned out to be absolutely correct (the issue was whether the Jews started out as "monolatrists" and hundreds of years later became "monotheists"). (Here is my post of Sept. 8, 2015 to which "Deduction" replied: http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-doctrine-of-superior-people-the-bond-between-israel-and-world-zionism/#comment-1120856) Out of the blue, a poster with the screen name "Deduction" characterized my post as the "most ignorant" on the internet. When I challenged Mr. Deduction, it turned out that he was half-Jewish (I'm guessing his mother was an English Jew who married a black African) and married to a black African woman, and he admitted that he knew nothing of the development of Judaism. Notice the pattern: ignorant of the matter being discussed but launching an unprovoked attack on another poster for his "ignorance." I have only observed such behavior among Jews, and your response clearly falls in that category.

    " today’s anti-immigrant crowd are neither “Christian” nor nor enlightened, nor knowledgeable, nor intelligent."

    If I needed any further confirmation, that off-the-wall comment tells me that you are clearly Jewish. I take it you subscribe to Emma Lazarus' famous sonnet, inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty and thus favor mass immigration into the U.S. Well, I was born a Christian but abandoned whatever belief I had in religion and God by the time I was 13 or 14. I consider myself an "agnostic," like Albert Einstein, who characterized the stories making up the Old Testament "a collection of fairy tales." I consider myself "enlightened" and "knowledgeable" and "intelligent," and I am strongly opposed to the mass immigration we have allowed into the U.S. since the passage of the Immigration Act of 1965. I grew up during a period of tight restrictions on immigration when we used to stress "assimilation," and I can say without a doubt that the mass of immigration we have experienced since 1965 (both legal and illegal) has changed this country for the worse. This was a much better country to live in prior to 1965, as most who experienced life back then can attest. Even Theodore H. White, the brilliant, liberal, Jewish author of the "Making of the President" series of books on presidential elections from 1960 to 1980, declared in the last book of the series that the Immigration Act of 1965 was "the worst of the Great Society legislation" pushed through by President Johnson since it threatened to profoundly change America in harmful ways by destroying its ethnic makeup. Or are you one of those who believe it makes sense to admit a million to 2 million legal immigrants each year and an untold number of illegal aliens when native Americans are unable to find good-paying jobs? I guess you are too dumb to understand the simple economic law of "supply and demand." If you increase the supply of workers by admitting many immigrants, what does that do to the price of labor? Supply-and-demand would tell you it would depress wages. What do you think?
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  175. Clyde says:
    @Art
    In Tel Aviv you are known as Sir Trolls-Alot and they get some good laughs at your disjointed ramblings.

    So Clyde,

    Tell us - is Tel Aviv hasbara central for the world?

    Do all you Little Jews get your marching orders and talking points from the Big Jews in Tel Aviv?

    It is all soooooo exciting!

    Thanks --- Art

    You also have a nickname in Tel Aviv hasbara circles but it’s too foul to mention here. Ask your Zio-paymaster what it is.

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  176. Rurik says:
    @Kiza
    Yes, that is another stinky, this time from NBC News live (my example was from Fox News live). All such faults in the live news get edited out in later editions. But to even get caught like this is a sign of terribly low professionalism and strong disdain for the audience.

    To be fair this does not prove that Orlando massacre did not happen, it just proves that MSM are habitual liars and fixers with credibility equal to absolute zero (cannot sink any lower). As I have been writing for a while now - the MSM do not add, they subtract from our knowledge and understanding of the world. Following MSM is like going into a tent at a village fair to watch the illusionist's show created for illusionist's profit. Good luck with a view of the world you gain from that.

    To be fair this does not prove that Orlando massacre did not happen, it just proves that MSM are habitual liars and fixers with credibility equal to absolute zero (cannot sink any lower).

    I agree

    As I have been writing for a while now – the MSM do not add, they subtract from our knowledge and understanding of the world. Following MSM is like going into a tent at a village fair to watch the illusionist’s show created for illusionist’s profit. Good luck with a view of the world you gain from that.

    yea, only that sounds too benign. I’d compare it more to swallowing Jim Jones’s Kool-Aid. The intent is the same, even if the effects take a little longer

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  177. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    He has explicitly specified Jews and mentioned others more generally.

    I do care to know whether or not he owns firearms and intends to use them to kill Jews and others as he has said here and elsewhere.

    Anonymous jew-boy. Ha.

    Don’t waste your jew time turning me over to Mossad. I am sure they got me in their sights. They have stated that they will assassinate anti-semites who matter. I don’t matter.

    As for firearms, I got plenty of them like any serious male and they are all legal and registered.
    The cops are on our side. I know a few.

    Jews here are physical wimps and pussies, but like Bilious Billary, et al, they got guards with big guns. I recall a hearing at Congress a few years ago on guns. Schumer was on it and a Texas Blonde female told him that guns are not for hunting, they are for use against people like him who want to take away our guns and destroy the constitution. ( Jews and white traitors….my cup of contempt runneth over. See Jews run. See white race traitors follow. As you may have noticed, I am a now a zionist…get all of you subhumans in one place for a Pentagon Strike. The white liberals will need other methods.)

    That about sums it up. jewboy Schumer found himself without words…a very Jewish vexation.

    How are those martinis going? Check to see if you got any balls lately?

    Joe Webb

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    So do you plan on using your firearms to kill Jews and others, as you’ve said here and elsewhere?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/whither-the-shards-of-america-its-us-or-them/#comment-1449901

    we are going to kill many of you jews and race traitors. we got guns and you do not. Joe Webb
     
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  178. joe webb says:
    @L.K
    Dear Rurik,

    Just a piece of unsolicited free advice; don't waste your time on this troll, joe webb.
    Like the saying goes, you r casting pearls b4 swine.

    ps: for all his talk of IQ, joe boy is a dumb cluck and a one-trick poney.

    ‘poney’ is spelled pony. joe webb

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  179. joe webb says:
    @Rurik
    Joe,

    You are a kind of pimp for the Animal Rights
     
    kind of yes

    all your talk of low IQ minorities and nefarious Jews are not what I'm on about right now, in response to your comment about wiping out species if they're inconvenient. (not that I'm unsympathetic to the tragic loss of those parents who lost their little one to the alligator)

    What I'm talking about is man's blind myopia when it comes to wiping out the natural world in order to plop down more casinos and amusement park$. More subdivisions and industrial sprawl. He, (you) seem to only understand your wallet, and have no appreciation for a unspoiled vista, full of ancient and timeless wild things that you neither understand nor care one whit for, but whose value to this planet and future generations is just as ineffable as your new car.

    Humans are indeed vile creatures insofar as they're wiling to wipe out everything else in their blind, hubristic greed. Yes, you're correct that it's mostly white folks who're concerned about such things, but not nearly concerned enough, because in my lifetime we are going to be witness to the extinction of many forms of life to make room for a few billion more consumers and tax slaves. All to benefit the farmer class that farms these bipedal consumer apes.

    It's a sin. And future generations will look at what we've done and curse us for our short-sighted greed and selfishness.

    Look at it this way Joe, sort of to speak to you in your own language. Look at what the 70 IQ denizens of Haiti did to their side of the Island of Hispaniola. They mindlessly overpopulated the "Jewel of the Caribbean" until it is little more than a mud pit of poverty and despair. Vs. the rather more intelligent 85 IQ citizens of the Dominican Republic, that have done much more to protect their lush and bountiful side of the same island.

    Here's am image of part of the island at the border, with the Haiti side showing the barren deforestation and desolation, vs. the D.R. side that's still lush.

    http://oglhaiti.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/haitidominicanboarder1.jpg

    that's all I'm saying Joe. Why act like the Haitians and wipe it all out, and leave a mud pit and pictures and videos of herds of elephants and roaming lions and pods of dolphins for the future generations of children to look at and marvel at and ask why mankind wiped them all out. And you'd be forced to answer that it was because he was blinded by his own vanity, and considered all the life on the planet as his to exploit even until the point of total extinction, because some of them were inconvenient to that additional subdivision or those offshore oil platform$.

    I'm not trying to sound superior, I'm just asking us all to look at creation and try to see it with the eyes of the generations to come. And ask ourselves if we really care so little about the kind of world we're leaving behind that we'd shove off the planet all the rhinos and great apes and other magnificent creatures out of our greed and arrogance and stupidity. That's all.

    I tried subtly, to suggest that you don’t have a sense of humor. Now let me state loud and clear, you cannot recognize satire when you read it.

    I agree with regard to your somewhat cloyingly presented righteous indignation.

    The thing is , that the wretched colored folks will and do destroy much more than Whites. Look at the shark fisheries…100 million sharks taken every year is the stat, which I find hard to believe, but it is way up there . Or the chinks…they are the sexually creepy who buy the rhino horn, the tiger penis, and for all I know chink queers buy the elephant tusks to shove up their backsides, (not that there is anything wrong with that…the Seinfeld line for the youngsters here.)

    The only race who cares and is willing to do something about it is us Whites. Incidentally, you go to the State parks and the only people there are Whites, with now a few chinks riding around in cars.

    In Grand Tetons a couple years ago, I noticed some blacks in the camp ground. I commented to a ranger about how nice it was to see some blacks enjoying nature. Ranger said they just come up to party. They were there visiting the their bros who work at the lodge as service workers. Rangers have to tell them to shut-up at the 10pm curfew. Probably got some hos there too. I never see a black on trails. US Southerners will tell you that blacks, if they buy a house, tend to cut down trees…too “snaky.” Genetics after a zllion years in Africa.

    Whites built the first parks, like in the US last century. Chinkdom now has massive industrial waste poisoning of their wells and other water sources.

    Every Naturalist is a White. Every extreme sport athlete is a White. Never mind the rest of it.
    We are Natural Adventurers, Explorers, and yes, we kick some black/brown ass now and then. part of the evolutionary scheme. Stone Age types get run over by smarter folks. Just like in Nature, which is beautiful and also partially red in tooth and claw. So Be It. Nature is not for Pussies. Civil War is for Men, not girlieboys or women. ( Women in combat? funnier than muzzie ecumenism ). Pray for a muzzie with firearm getting into the white house, or congress; that should do it.

    By the way, how many of you folk know that Great White Sharks have taste buds in their teeth. Now That is some Natural Wonder.

    Joe Webb

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    I tried subtly, to suggest that you don’t have a sense of humor. Now let me state loud and clear, you cannot recognize satire when you read it.
     
    fair enough

    it's just that all the other bs aside, I consider human overpopulation as our number one greatest threat and sin. And rather than even mention it, all they can to is talk about their idiotic Global Warming and how a Goldman Sach's carbon tax is the solution to all that ails the planet.

    So I'm a little touchy on the subject I guess. ;)
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  180. Rurik says:
    @L.K
    In the spirit of what you and Kiza have been discussing, one thing that has always bothered me in regards to these more recent mass shootings which have taken place during the Obama administration, is the reaction of relatives - who supposedly have just brutally lost close loved ones - during interviews:
    Often, they just sound quite phony, what do u guys think?

    Man who is said to have lost his mother in the Charleston Church Shooting, @ 0:58 he even smiles.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81__Jc1ZEkQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBSjQJEC3rQ

    San Bernardino – they don’t seem like a grieving family to me at all, the girl is just ridiculous. But what about the spin about the dead mother being a Christian who fled religious extremism(Islam) after the revolution of 79 in ... Iran, hahaha, and then ‘ironically’ gets murdered by ISIS muslem extremists in Zamerica. Btw, both Christianity and Judaism are protected in Iran.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9FuCQX42I


    The Sandy Hook "Do You Want Me To Read The Card?"
    The first dude appears relaxed, smiling, talking, then seems to concentrate to get into character... weird stuff.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV20DtXBuQs

    Hey LK,

    Yea, I figure the Charleston church shooting was a faked event. I remember they had this loser holding a confederate flag and a US flag with the same limp, disinterested, manchurian stare, and then he goes out and shoots some church ladies. Yea, right.

    And their agenda was so brazenly howled from every bullhorn of the Beast that it was like a fright train in your living room. The Confederate flag = shooting black church ladies!!!!

    the usual way you can tell if the whole story is rotten from top to bottom is if they were running a drill, like they were on 911 and 7/7 and Sandy Hook and Boston “bombing”, and so forth.

    My problem with Orlando is cui bono. They (the Fiend) clearly wants more immigration, (Muslim and otherwise) not less, so having this guy do what he did plays directly into Donald Trump’s hand. And divides their coalition of ‘it’s all of us against them’. The ‘them’ being traditional Americans and the ‘us’ being all the butt hurt losers who resent traditional Americans for having built a great (and now dying) nation. BLM and the LGBT community and Muslim immigrants are all supposed to act as warriors against the white racists and bigots who don’t want to become Muslim and gay.

    But now you have gays looking crossways at their fellow Muslim warriors in the great culture war Jihad against whitey (traditional Americans).

    http://patriotrising.com/2016/06/16/ar-15s-flying-off-shelves-sales-surge-among-gays-lesbians/

    http://patriotrising.com/2016/06/16/gun-range-selling-free-concealed-handgun-courses-lgbt/

    this can’t be good

    So I suspect that this psycho might have gone nuts and killed some folks, and now they’re just lying 24/7 (like they always do) to spin it to fit some agenda of theirs, like using it as a pretext to bomb Assad.

    But in truth, I really have no idea what happened or why

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  181. Rurik says:
    @joe webb
    I tried subtly, to suggest that you don't have a sense of humor. Now let me state loud and clear, you cannot recognize satire when you read it.

    I agree with regard to your somewhat cloyingly presented righteous indignation.

    The thing is , that the wretched colored folks will and do destroy much more than Whites. Look at the shark fisheries...100 million sharks taken every year is the stat, which I find hard to believe, but it is way up there . Or the chinks...they are the sexually creepy who buy the rhino horn, the tiger penis, and for all I know chink queers buy the elephant tusks to shove up their backsides, (not that there is anything wrong with that...the Seinfeld line for the youngsters here.)

    The only race who cares and is willing to do something about it is us Whites. Incidentally, you go to the State parks and the only people there are Whites, with now a few chinks riding around in cars.

    In Grand Tetons a couple years ago, I noticed some blacks in the camp ground. I commented to a ranger about how nice it was to see some blacks enjoying nature. Ranger said they just come up to party. They were there visiting the their bros who work at the lodge as service workers. Rangers have to tell them to shut-up at the 10pm curfew. Probably got some hos there too. I never see a black on trails. US Southerners will tell you that blacks, if they buy a house, tend to cut down trees...too "snaky." Genetics after a zllion years in Africa.

    Whites built the first parks, like in the US last century. Chinkdom now has massive industrial waste poisoning of their wells and other water sources.

    Every Naturalist is a White. Every extreme sport athlete is a White. Never mind the rest of it.
    We are Natural Adventurers, Explorers, and yes, we kick some black/brown ass now and then. part of the evolutionary scheme. Stone Age types get run over by smarter folks. Just like in Nature, which is beautiful and also partially red in tooth and claw. So Be It. Nature is not for Pussies. Civil War is for Men, not girlieboys or women. ( Women in combat? funnier than muzzie ecumenism ). Pray for a muzzie with firearm getting into the white house, or congress; that should do it.

    By the way, how many of you folk know that Great White Sharks have taste buds in their teeth. Now That is some Natural Wonder.

    Joe Webb

    I tried subtly, to suggest that you don’t have a sense of humor. Now let me state loud and clear, you cannot recognize satire when you read it.

    fair enough

    it’s just that all the other bs aside, I consider human overpopulation as our number one greatest threat and sin. And rather than even mention it, all they can to is talk about their idiotic Global Warming and how a Goldman Sach’s carbon tax is the solution to all that ails the planet.

    So I’m a little touchy on the subject I guess. ;)

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  182. @Rurik

    “The U.S. was founded by and for the white Judeo/Christians [ONLY].”
     
    forget the Jew stuff, it was founded by the founders, who were a representative of the people for whom it was founded, and their progeny. (white Christians)

    it was not founded exclusively for them alone, but for all for whom they considered would make good and welcome citizens and neighbors. (and with allowances for those who were already here)

    the point the poster was trying to make, if I'm not mistaken, was that it was not founded as a dumping ground for assorted Muslims and Mexicans and others with whom the founders and their families had little to nothing in common other than a taxonomic classification as belonging to the same species.

    It was not founded by or for Hindus

    It was not founded by or for Muslims

    It was not founded by or for Africans or Asians or Pacific Islanders or any other group of people other than those men and their families and communities who founded it.

    Now it's likely that if any of a member of one of these groups, like the many Jews in New England for instance, were sufficiently assimilatable and beneficial to the well-being of the republic or locality as perceived by those in a position to make such determinations, that they'd be welcome too. But it was created and founded and intended for such people as were the stock from whence the founders sprang. - As I suspect you're aware, and you were probably just looking for the commenter to delineate their reference to the contrarian expression of Judeo/Christian, as near as I can perceive.

    So this is a rhetorical post after all. ;)

    “…it was not founded exclusively for them alone…”

    Good God, that’s exactly the point I was trying to get the original commenter, Jeanne at post #93, to see!

    Do you people even follow threads before making comments and blathering on about stuff everyone should already know?

    Sheesh, even!

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  183. KA says:

    “”That Trump gets this is little short of amazing, and yet truth often comes to us in unexpected ways. He may be an imperfect vessel – and that is surely an understatement – but he is absolutely correct in this instance: this administration and this President either “doesn’t get it, or he gets it better than anybody understands. It’s one or the other.”

    The media and the Never Trumpers leaped on this statement and translated it into the old Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim trope, but that’s not what he was talking about. He was talking about the largely unknown history of our intervention in Syria, where Hillary Clinton was the jihadists’ best friend and benefactor.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/06/16/something-going-worse-thought/

    “en. Michael Flynn, who headed up the DIA when the document was produced and who was forced out by the interventionists in the administration. Here is what Flynn told Al-Jazeera in an extensive interview:

    Al-Jazeera: So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?
    Flynn: I don’t know that they turned a blind eye, I think it was a decision. I think it was a willful decision.
    Al-Jazeera: A willful decision to support an insurgency that had Salafists, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?
    Flynn: It was a willful decision to do what they’re doing.”

    Gen. Flynn, by the way, is an official advisor to Trump, and is often mentioned as a possible pick for Vice President.

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/06/16/something-going-worse-thought/

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  184. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    Anonymous jew-boy. Ha.

    Don't waste your jew time turning me over to Mossad. I am sure they got me in their sights. They have stated that they will assassinate anti-semites who matter. I don't matter.

    As for firearms, I got plenty of them like any serious male and they are all legal and registered.
    The cops are on our side. I know a few.

    Jews here are physical wimps and pussies, but like Bilious Billary, et al, they got guards with big guns. I recall a hearing at Congress a few years ago on guns. Schumer was on it and a Texas Blonde female told him that guns are not for hunting, they are for use against people like him who want to take away our guns and destroy the constitution. ( Jews and white traitors....my cup of contempt runneth over. See Jews run. See white race traitors follow. As you may have noticed, I am a now a zionist...get all of you subhumans in one place for a Pentagon Strike. The white liberals will need other methods.)

    That about sums it up. jewboy Schumer found himself without words...a very Jewish vexation.

    How are those martinis going? Check to see if you got any balls lately?

    Joe Webb

    So do you plan on using your firearms to kill Jews and others, as you’ve said here and elsewhere?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/whither-the-shards-of-america-its-us-or-them/#comment-1449901

    we are going to kill many of you jews and race traitors. we got guns and you do not. Joe Webb

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  185. tbraton says:
    @Jacques Sheete
    Well, at least your long winded and off subject diatribe is good for a few laughs even though I only skimmed it.

    Bottom line: Neither you nor any other rambling bonehead can offer a shred of proof that the USA was ever intended to be a white Christian theocracy. If we believe the rhetoric of the FF, it was established to be inclusive (as per Enlightenment ideals as you yourself mentioned) and today's anti-immigrant crowd are neither "Christian" nor nor enlightened, nor knowledgeable, nor intelligent.

    So far you've only proven how obtuse you are, how quickly you stoop to engage in snarky, petty personal attacks, how willing you are to set up straw-men and how unskilled you are in attempting to dodge the real issue, none of which I have time for, and all of which are characteristic of vacuous blowhards, I'm done.

    Case closed.

    Well, Mr. Shiite, my post was directed at your specific use of the “rhetorical question” meme, and I pointed out that you clearly didn’t know what you were talking about. Nothing in your response challenges my assertion. In fact, there is not one word in your response directed at the “rhetorical question” issue, which you raised in the first place, apparently because you lack the intellectual wherewithal to compose a coherent, intelligent response on that issue or don’t know what to say. Nevertheless, despite the fact that it is your own ignorance that is on full display, you insist on throwing out some insults at me. That tells me that you must be Jewish because that is a characteristic that I have only observed only among Jews. Not all Jews, but a subset of Jews, who try to make up for their own ignorance and inadequacies by launching unprovoked insults at another party. I saw that last summer when I posted something on Prof. Petras’ blog about the ancient Jews’ religious beliefs, which turned out to be absolutely correct (the issue was whether the Jews started out as “monolatrists” and hundreds of years later became “monotheists”). (Here is my post of Sept. 8, 2015 to which “Deduction” replied: http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-doctrine-of-superior-people-the-bond-between-israel-and-world-zionism/#comment-1120856) Out of the blue, a poster with the screen name “Deduction” characterized my post as the “most ignorant” on the internet. When I challenged Mr. Deduction, it turned out that he was half-Jewish (I’m guessing his mother was an English Jew who married a black African) and married to a black African woman, and he admitted that he knew nothing of the development of Judaism. Notice the pattern: ignorant of the matter being discussed but launching an unprovoked attack on another poster for his “ignorance.” I have only observed such behavior among Jews, and your response clearly falls in that category.

    ” today’s anti-immigrant crowd are neither “Christian” nor nor enlightened, nor knowledgeable, nor intelligent.”

    If I needed any further confirmation, that off-the-wall comment tells me that you are clearly Jewish. I take it you subscribe to Emma Lazarus’ famous sonnet, inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty and thus favor mass immigration into the U.S. Well, I was born a Christian but abandoned whatever belief I had in religion and God by the time I was 13 or 14. I consider myself an “agnostic,” like Albert Einstein, who characterized the stories making up the Old Testament “a collection of fairy tales.” I consider myself “enlightened” and “knowledgeable” and “intelligent,” and I am strongly opposed to the mass immigration we have allowed into the U.S. since the passage of the Immigration Act of 1965. I grew up during a period of tight restrictions on immigration when we used to stress “assimilation,” and I can say without a doubt that the mass of immigration we have experienced since 1965 (both legal and illegal) has changed this country for the worse. This was a much better country to live in prior to 1965, as most who experienced life back then can attest. Even Theodore H. White, the brilliant, liberal, Jewish author of the “Making of the President” series of books on presidential elections from 1960 to 1980, declared in the last book of the series that the Immigration Act of 1965 was “the worst of the Great Society legislation” pushed through by President Johnson since it threatened to profoundly change America in harmful ways by destroying its ethnic makeup. Or are you one of those who believe it makes sense to admit a million to 2 million legal immigrants each year and an untold number of illegal aliens when native Americans are unable to find good-paying jobs? I guess you are too dumb to understand the simple economic law of “supply and demand.” If you increase the supply of workers by admitting many immigrants, what does that do to the price of labor? Supply-and-demand would tell you it would depress wages. What do you think?

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  186. @Anatoly Karlin
    Glad to hear I am living rent free in your head.

    He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.
     
    I never said I had lived in London. Idiot.

    Glad to hear I am living rent free in your head.

    Well, the essay I wrote in which I developed the concept of the HIQI, the High IQ Idiot is definitely about you, but it is not specifically about you, no.

    Anyway, part of your problem is HIQI-ness definitely, that you have basically no concept of a deeper analysis of events. Moreover, if somebody with a deeper analysis tries to tell you something, you will angrily reject it and call the person a “conspiracy theorist” or whatever. For you, the superficial presentation in the media is the “truth” and any deeper analysis is just “conspiracy theories.” Basically, you are intellectually castrated.

    But it’s not just you. There’s a group of writers on this site who broadly have the same problem. Fred Reed, Steve Sailer, Derbyshire…

    You guys see an event like this and you just take it at face value. It doesn’t occur to you to ask even very basic questions. For example, really what is the likelihood that an organically ocurring event would intersect with all these narratives and talking points — Afghanistan, ISIS, homos, gun control…. the fact that this doesn’t raise any warning bells with you just shows how little grasp of deep politics you have.

    And besides, there is just the absurdity of the whole idea. Like you think there really is some political movement in the Middle East that wants to just kill random fags in Florida? What political goal does this further for them? It’s ridiculous.

    You just don’t ask these very basic sorts of questions. And if somebody else brings them up, you just hurl these idiotic insults like conspiratard or whatever.

    I never said I had lived in London. Idiot.

    That’s true. What you said was the following:

    I had the dubious pleasure of living right next to a Muslim majority area of Britain for a couple of years, so…

    That was here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I made a mistake. I thought you had said London and you had said Britain. It’s a natural mistake I think, but it’s not very relevant. The statement is utterly unserious regardless, the idea that this makes you somehow knowledgeable about Islamic culture or something.

    It’s just not something a serious person would say. And the whole tenor of the discussion that ensued was just what a dishonest little jerk you are. I reread that and I am satisfied that I made mincemeat out of you in that discussion. The problem is not just that you are a HIQI. You are quite dishonest and rather immature at that. It became quite obvious in the discussion.

    It’s a pity actually because you are a reasonably smart, knowledgeable guy on some levels, but overall, given your characterological issues, I can’t really pay much attention to anything you write. It’s bound to be mostly worthless. I don’t find you to be intellectually honest. You’re also an arrogant prick and nobody can tell you anything. Maybe in ten years or so what you write will have some value when you’ve grown up a bit.

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    Hey Revusky,

    "There’s a group of writers on this site who broadly have the same problem."

    Notice though that such types go along with msm narratives IF/when they suit their agendas.
    Take a look at the 2 hugely dishonest pieces by Pat Buchanan.

    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.
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  187. L.K says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Glad to hear I am living rent free in your head.
     
    Well, the essay I wrote in which I developed the concept of the HIQI, the High IQ Idiot is definitely about you, but it is not specifically about you, no.

    Anyway, part of your problem is HIQI-ness definitely, that you have basically no concept of a deeper analysis of events. Moreover, if somebody with a deeper analysis tries to tell you something, you will angrily reject it and call the person a "conspiracy theorist" or whatever. For you, the superficial presentation in the media is the "truth" and any deeper analysis is just "conspiracy theories." Basically, you are intellectually castrated.

    But it's not just you. There's a group of writers on this site who broadly have the same problem. Fred Reed, Steve Sailer, Derbyshire...

    You guys see an event like this and you just take it at face value. It doesn't occur to you to ask even very basic questions. For example, really what is the likelihood that an organically ocurring event would intersect with all these narratives and talking points -- Afghanistan, ISIS, homos, gun control.... the fact that this doesn't raise any warning bells with you just shows how little grasp of deep politics you have.

    And besides, there is just the absurdity of the whole idea. Like you think there really is some political movement in the Middle East that wants to just kill random fags in Florida? What political goal does this further for them? It's ridiculous.

    You just don't ask these very basic sorts of questions. And if somebody else brings them up, you just hurl these idiotic insults like conspiratard or whatever.

    I never said I had lived in London. Idiot.
     
    That's true. What you said was the following:

    I had the dubious pleasure of living right next to a Muslim majority area of Britain for a couple of years, so...
     
    That was here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I made a mistake. I thought you had said London and you had said Britain. It's a natural mistake I think, but it's not very relevant. The statement is utterly unserious regardless, the idea that this makes you somehow knowledgeable about Islamic culture or something.

    It's just not something a serious person would say. And the whole tenor of the discussion that ensued was just what a dishonest little jerk you are. I reread that and I am satisfied that I made mincemeat out of you in that discussion. The problem is not just that you are a HIQI. You are quite dishonest and rather immature at that. It became quite obvious in the discussion.

    It's a pity actually because you are a reasonably smart, knowledgeable guy on some levels, but overall, given your characterological issues, I can't really pay much attention to anything you write. It's bound to be mostly worthless. I don't find you to be intellectually honest. You're also an arrogant prick and nobody can tell you anything. Maybe in ten years or so what you write will have some value when you've grown up a bit.

    Hey Revusky,

    “There’s a group of writers on this site who broadly have the same problem.”

    Notice though that such types go along with msm narratives IF/when they suit their agendas.
    Take a look at the 2 hugely dishonest pieces by Pat Buchanan.

    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.

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    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.
     
    Probably. I find it very had to know for absolutely sure.

    My sense is that these writers engage in the pile-on islamophobia, in large part in order to sort of signal their availability. I mean their availability... as whores basically.... They kinda understand that there is a market for this and they are showing that they can be relied on to go along with the narrative when it is expected of them.

    So, properly understood, these islamophobic writers here, it's like some notorious street corner where the local prostitutes peddle their wares and one shouts: "I'll suck your d***" and the next says: "But you can cum in my mouth!" And then another one says: "You can f*** me in the ass".

    It's like a competition for who can be a dirtier whore. Very unseemly to observe.

    WRT Karlin, I had some earlier conversation with him in which he indignantly stated that he knew what he was talking about because he had lived next to a majority Muslim area in Britain (and I remembered that incorrectly as London, but he just said Britain...) and therefore knew something about these people presumably. I found that particularly galling. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I don't go around representing that I'm an expert on Islam or anything, but in my life I have traveled in several Muslim countries and have known different Muslims in Canada, the U.S., and Spain. Some were more religious and some were probably twice-a-year Muslims. But, regardless, based on my own experiences, the whole idea that, just because somebody is a Muslim (whether marginally religious or more religious or whatever) that they are particularly likely to go shoot homos in a bar or try to blow up a plane -- this is just preposterous.

    If it suited their purposes, they'd mount the whole psy-op and try to convince you that Buddhists are irrationally violent. Or Hindus. Or southern Baptists. Whatever. It's just nonsense. It doesn't take much research online to find out that these things are all hoaxes of varying sorts. False flags, FBI entrapment operations, and then just outright hoaxes.

    But anyway, as I said, my perception is that these people writing all these islamophobic diatribes, it's a way for them to signal their availability as whores.
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  188. Konga says:
    @Mr. Turdy
    It's first time I am a bit disappointed by the Saker. It's not I'm disagree (in fact, I really do not in most of the matter, not to say practically all), it's he falls short. For instance, as he knows quite well, self-hate is another way of -phobia. The very first -phobia indeed. In fact homophobia is real, and it's most exercised against the homosexuals themselves by themselves. The same can be said about Ukranians, afro-what-you-want, even zionists, it happens up and down, everywhere. If you brainwashes a human being in order to make him believe he is an abnormal and a despicable person, the result hardly could be different from all this stuff.

    Of course the system ever tries (and gets, most of the time) to yield advantage of all it can, but this is a more clear phenomenon: survival.

    But this problem is more complex than all this. The pure fact is that the US, which are on the cutting edge of the World-System (decaying but still standing) has problems of mass murder, in a way and with a frequency significatively higher and larger than comparable states (yes, I suppose they are lower than Roman Civil Wars or so).

    It is not a simple issue. Not as simple as the article pretends. And no one is out of danger, now or in the future. In fact, it is foreseeable that since the living standards in the US go on decaying, the violence will grow.

    Humans can get almost all, but time.

    I am not, Mr Turdy. The Saker is a thinker, tries to see from the all. And everytime he’s an eye-opener to us, while the people who comment chose a field and try to convince us they’re right. Most of the points touched here by The Saker are worth thinking about. He makes us think, you want us to believe – that’s the difference.

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  189. @L.K
    Hey Revusky,

    "There’s a group of writers on this site who broadly have the same problem."

    Notice though that such types go along with msm narratives IF/when they suit their agendas.
    Take a look at the 2 hugely dishonest pieces by Pat Buchanan.

    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.

    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.

    Probably. I find it very had to know for absolutely sure.

    My sense is that these writers engage in the pile-on islamophobia, in large part in order to sort of signal their availability. I mean their availability… as whores basically…. They kinda understand that there is a market for this and they are showing that they can be relied on to go along with the narrative when it is expected of them.

    So, properly understood, these islamophobic writers here, it’s like some notorious street corner where the local prostitutes peddle their wares and one shouts: “I’ll suck your d***” and the next says: “But you can cum in my mouth!” And then another one says: “You can f*** me in the ass”.

    It’s like a competition for who can be a dirtier whore. Very unseemly to observe.

    WRT Karlin, I had some earlier conversation with him in which he indignantly stated that he knew what he was talking about because he had lived next to a majority Muslim area in Britain (and I remembered that incorrectly as London, but he just said Britain…) and therefore knew something about these people presumably. I found that particularly galling. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I don’t go around representing that I’m an expert on Islam or anything, but in my life I have traveled in several Muslim countries and have known different Muslims in Canada, the U.S., and Spain. Some were more religious and some were probably twice-a-year Muslims. But, regardless, based on my own experiences, the whole idea that, just because somebody is a Muslim (whether marginally religious or more religious or whatever) that they are particularly likely to go shoot homos in a bar or try to blow up a plane — this is just preposterous.

    If it suited their purposes, they’d mount the whole psy-op and try to convince you that Buddhists are irrationally violent. Or Hindus. Or southern Baptists. Whatever. It’s just nonsense. It doesn’t take much research online to find out that these things are all hoaxes of varying sorts. False flags, FBI entrapment operations, and then just outright hoaxes.

    But anyway, as I said, my perception is that these people writing all these islamophobic diatribes, it’s a way for them to signal their availability as whores.

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    Mr. Revusky, I've gotta say - one has to admire your sheer single-mindedness, and your willingness to say absolutely anything in pursuit of your goal.

    How can the likes of sick/tiny/duck/dick, Troof, or even Whiskey himself begin to compete with you, in the competition for Unz.com's highly coveted troll of the year award?

    , @Jacques Sheete
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  190. @Rabbitnexus
    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism. It is EXACTLY as the article stated, it is the most ludicrous and impossible position to assert support for ANY Shia group and even a moderatly pious let alone extremist Sunni group. Takfiris which is what ISIS are, are in another galaxy again there as they are extremist Wahhabis and previous to them, nobody hated Shias and had caused us greater suffering than their Satanic sect. For the record, Wahhabism was rejected more than 100 years ago by all five schools of Islamic thought, as Kharajites, meaning NOT OF US and it is irrevocable. They owe their existence to Lawrence of Arabia who hauled them away from a deserved death and installed them along with the recently converted former Turkish Donmeh Jewish al-Saud and his clan of cutthroat sand pirates and slave traders. Protocol around Mecca and Medina stays the hand of Islam against these devils, so long as they do not block our acces to them. It is a vile and rarely acknowledged situation but this is the reality. As for the sectarian division in Islam, whilst it had ceased to be a blood feud until recently, this was due to Shias have successfuly fought off attempts at genocide stretching over more than 1200 years by forces which each time they arose anew within the ever shifting ranks of Sunnis, resembled these Wahhabis/Takfiris of today. Our Prophet warned us about them, they are the devils from Najd. The truth about Shia Islam is the opposite of what the m,ajority Sunnis pretend to believe. I am a convert and initially was Sunni by default. I did the research and discovered the truth is not shrouded in mystery it isn't complicated and it is nothing like the majority belief which is nurtured today by the Zionist and Western media which aligns itself with the Sunni majority frankly because they find Sunnis more familiar, due to their tendency to be flexible in their beleifs and thinking and more attuned to men's laws than Allah's. It is Shias who have most precisely and truly adhered to true Islam. They are in fact descended from the family and closest companions of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Sunnis arose from a deceptive power game which was enacted just before the death of Muhammad (SAW) by an assassin turned convert and who soon became the second Caliph after the death of our beloved Prophet. Shias never deviated from the Quran as it is written whilst Sunnis have repeatedly altered teachings and practices according to the whims of men, such as that second Caliph Umar who as one of his first acts banned a practice of temporary marriages which whilst it seems odd today, had a place then and in Iran today is fascinatingly used to circumvent the very restrictive laws of contact between men and women who are unmarried. It has allowed couples who are engaged to go on dates together and to develop their relationship before marriage in a way Sunnis cannot without breaching Islamic laws. However it does not mean these couple engage in sex, such license isn't even dreamt of, just the chance to move with the times somewhat. The Sunnis instead have since invented another thing called "Travellers Marriage" which is purely used for sexual license. Allah is wisest and His Quran gave us all we needed, even regarding dealing with a future thousands of years hence as now. It is interestingly more possible for Shias to move and evolve in the modern world whilst following Islam than for Sunnis, specifically because of changes Sunnis made to the teachings. It should make people stop and wonder that it is Shia Islam which our corrupt and incompetent leadership in the West persistently assaults and undermines. This is simply because Shias as True Muslims will never assimilate with the West. Believe it or not, despite current appearances, the Sunnis will and are.

    I have issues with the rest of what you wrote, I disagree in shjort with your entire comment, you worked hard on it but it is factually lacking. You reject some evidnece which has the best of provenance but it appears that is because you actually haven't been following things very closely. However my main point was to make clear your comments about why the article is wrong on Islamic matters is totally false and needs to be corrected for the sake of truth.

    I might add as an aside to your remark about Afghanistanis and what are termed "Bakaa Bereesh" or dancing boys, that you are somewhat correct in that certain tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan does see a fair bit of this, it is entrenched although things are startung to change. My own assumption from the outset, when I merely guessed Mateen was gay from his "vamping" in his selfies, was that the father being connected to the levels of power that he is, would be a prime candidate for using such services as "dancing boys" provide and by merely applying assumptions based on humanity and a long life so far, rather than some Islamic interpretation; that the father had probably abused the son. That would answer why the son was actually gay and not just a "boy b@ggerer" as these creeps somehow manage to make mean they're not gay just tough men. Also why the father might have personal reasons, besides possible conflicting roles, to paint a different picture of things too.

    All the Jews I know much prefer Shia Islam to the Sunni variety. Is this a problem for you?

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  191. @Jonathan Revusky

    I am a Muslim and just want to say you are utterly wrong in everything you assume about Islam and sectarianism.
     
    But Anatoly Karlin is an expert on Islam. He used to live next to a majority Muslim neighborhood in London.

    And he watched the Disney movie Aladdin multiple times!

    You are my number one nomination for stupidest man alive. Do you even get paid for exhibiting your stratospheric levels of paranoid mental illness? Who on earth defaults to everything is a conspiracy? So bizarre. If you’re ever in London I’ll happily buy you a drink for the entertainment.

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  192. vinteuil says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.
     
    Probably. I find it very had to know for absolutely sure.

    My sense is that these writers engage in the pile-on islamophobia, in large part in order to sort of signal their availability. I mean their availability... as whores basically.... They kinda understand that there is a market for this and they are showing that they can be relied on to go along with the narrative when it is expected of them.

    So, properly understood, these islamophobic writers here, it's like some notorious street corner where the local prostitutes peddle their wares and one shouts: "I'll suck your d***" and the next says: "But you can cum in my mouth!" And then another one says: "You can f*** me in the ass".

    It's like a competition for who can be a dirtier whore. Very unseemly to observe.

    WRT Karlin, I had some earlier conversation with him in which he indignantly stated that he knew what he was talking about because he had lived next to a majority Muslim area in Britain (and I remembered that incorrectly as London, but he just said Britain...) and therefore knew something about these people presumably. I found that particularly galling. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I don't go around representing that I'm an expert on Islam or anything, but in my life I have traveled in several Muslim countries and have known different Muslims in Canada, the U.S., and Spain. Some were more religious and some were probably twice-a-year Muslims. But, regardless, based on my own experiences, the whole idea that, just because somebody is a Muslim (whether marginally religious or more religious or whatever) that they are particularly likely to go shoot homos in a bar or try to blow up a plane -- this is just preposterous.

    If it suited their purposes, they'd mount the whole psy-op and try to convince you that Buddhists are irrationally violent. Or Hindus. Or southern Baptists. Whatever. It's just nonsense. It doesn't take much research online to find out that these things are all hoaxes of varying sorts. False flags, FBI entrapment operations, and then just outright hoaxes.

    But anyway, as I said, my perception is that these people writing all these islamophobic diatribes, it's a way for them to signal their availability as whores.

    “…it’s like some notorious street corner where the local prostitutes peddle their wares and one shouts: “I’ll suck your d***” and the next says: “But you can cum in my mouth!” And then another one says: “You can f*** me in the ass…”

    Mr. Revusky, I’ve gotta say – one has to admire your sheer single-mindedness, and your willingness to say absolutely anything in pursuit of your goal.

    How can the likes of sick/tiny/duck/dick, Troof, or even Whiskey himself begin to compete with you, in the competition for Unz.com’s highly coveted troll of the year award?

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  193. annamaria says:

    From comment section of Sic Semper Tyrannis. “51 neocons at State want another Iraq:” sic_semper_tyrannishttp://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/06/httpwwwcnncom20160616politicsstate-department-syria.html

    “Trotsky Meets Stalin & Hitler”
    By Srdja Trifkovic
    Chronicles Magazine
    8-3-3
    “There are many Jewish authors who to this very day either deny the support of Jews for Bolshevism, or even reject it angrily, or else—the most common case—only speak defensively about it. The matter is well-attested, however: these Jewish renegades were for several years leaders at the center of the Bolshevik Party, at the head of the Red Army (Trotsky), of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee (Sverdlov), of the two capitals (Zinoviev and Kamenev), of the Comintern (Zinoviev), of the Profintern (Dridzo-Lozovsky), and of the Komsomol (Oskar Ryvkin, then Lazar Shatskin).
    Alexander Solzhenitsyn: “In 1918 Trotsky, with the aid of Sklianski and Yakov Sverdlov, created the Red Army. Jewish soldiers were numerous in its ranks. Several units of the Red Army were composed entirely of Jews, as, e.g., the brigade commanded by Joseph Forman. Among the officers of the Red Army, the share of Jews grew in number and importance for many years after the Civil War.”[8]
    Solzhenitsyn, as a sober and seasoned scholar, made the point that, “I have never made general conclusions about a people. I will always differentiate between layers of Jews. One layer rushed headfirst to the revolution. Another, to the contrary, was trying to stand back. The Jewish subject for a long time was considered prohibited. Zhabotinsky [a Jewish writer] once said that the best service our Russian friends give to us is never to speak aloud about us.”[9]
    Yet in his book “Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From,” neoconservative hawk Daniel Pipes insinuates without a shred of evidence that those who believed that the Bolshevik Revolution was largely Jewish got their sources mainly from the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion!”[10]
    It got even more hilarious when Pipes accused Henry Hamilton of anti-Semitism for saying that “Bolshevism was Judaism.”[11] But Pipes does not tell his readers that The Jewish Encyclopedia, Jewish revolutionaries and newspapers and magazines made similar assertions.[12]”
    Sorry for the lengthy reposting, but the author makes important point into the faces of Krystols and Kagans and other Pletkas and Muravchiks.

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  194. A very good article. This was classic gay rage. Not uncommon. Most likely a second person involved. The videos will not be released during an active investigation. Omar appears to have been a spurned lover who frequented the club. No doubt that he was gay- admitted by his wife or ex-wife. The day before a gay male murdered Christina Grimmie, most likely because she was a Christian advocate. Pretty pathetic country.

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    [admitted by his wife or ex-wife]

    There's a difference!
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  195. 5371 says:
    @Boris M Garsky
    A very good article. This was classic gay rage. Not uncommon. Most likely a second person involved. The videos will not be released during an active investigation. Omar appears to have been a spurned lover who frequented the club. No doubt that he was gay- admitted by his wife or ex-wife. The day before a gay male murdered Christina Grimmie, most likely because she was a Christian advocate. Pretty pathetic country.

    [admitted by his wife or ex-wife]

    There’s a difference!

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  196. utu says:

    Terror is theatre… Theatre’s a con trick. Do you know what that means? Con trick? You’ve been deceived. ”
    - John Le Carré, The Little Drummer Girl, 1983

    “Terrorism is aimed at the people watching, not at the actual victims. Terrorism is theater… The normal objective of state or official terrorism is to enforce obedience and cooperation… Success demands the creation of an atmosphere of fear and the seeming omnipresence of the internal security apparatus.”
    - Brian Michael Jenkins, “International Terrorism: A New Kind of Warfare,” Rand Corporation, June 1974

    The Orlando Massacre and the Zionist Propaganda of Alex Jones

    http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_15637

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  197. Clyde says:
    @vinteuil
    "...it’s like some notorious street corner where the local prostitutes peddle their wares and one shouts: “I’ll suck your d***” and the next says: “But you can cum in my mouth!” And then another one says: “You can f*** me in the ass...”

    Mr. Revusky, I've gotta say - one has to admire your sheer single-mindedness, and your willingness to say absolutely anything in pursuit of your goal.

    How can the likes of sick/tiny/duck/dick, Troof, or even Whiskey himself begin to compete with you, in the competition for Unz.com's highly coveted troll of the year award?

    A major troll and head case……agreed and how about where Revusky was called out as a false flaggot? lol

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    A major troll and head case…
     
    Thank you.

    How's the weather in Tel Aviv today, Clyde?
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  198. @Clyde
    A major troll and head case......agreed and how about where Revusky was called out as a false flaggot? lol

    A major troll and head case…

    Thank you.

    How’s the weather in Tel Aviv today, Clyde?

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  199. RobinG says:

    Speaking of ‘thinkers’ Gilad Atzmon sometimes presents a highly incisive perspective, such as in this paragraph.

    Interestingly enough the Jews who return to Britain or France after ‘being Jews’ for 3 years by serving in the IDF and occasionally being involved in colossal war crimes are free to re enter society and pursue their lives. I don’t have to tell you what happen to Isis combatants when they come back to Europe.

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016/6/19/lying-for-the-cause-is-a-kosher-procedure

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  200. utu says:

    ORLANDO SUSPICIONS: MULTIPLE SHOOTERS, MULTIPLE ‘MOTIVES’ AND A SIEGE THAT JUST DOESN’T ADD UP https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/

    FBI Tried to Lure Orlando Shooter into a Terror Plot in 2013

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/fbi-tried-to-lure-orlando-shooter-into-a-terror-plot-in-2013/

    The Reported “ISIS Pledge” Not to be Included In 911 TRANSCRIPT Release by FBI Today

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/the-reported-isis-pledge-not-to-be-included-in-911-transcript-release-by-fbi-today/

    Confirmed: BP Security Guard in Film Demonizing Cleanup Workers is Omar Mateen

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/19/confirmed-bp-security-guard-in-film-demonizing-cleanup-workers-is-omar-mateen/

    Investigation Shows Pulse Attack had “little or nothing to do with ISIS”

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/19/investigation-shows-pulse-attack-had-little-or-nothing-to-do-with-isis/

    Official Victims Paymaster, Kenneth Feinberg, to Dole Out the Goodies in Orlando

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/official-victims-paymaster-kennith-feinberg-to-dole-out-the-goodies-in-orlando/

    So Where Did Omar Mateen Live and What Does Abasin Mustafa Have to Hide?

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/so-where-did-omar-mateen-live-and-what-does-abasin-mustafa-have-to-hide/

    “It’s me. I’m the shooter” Ugga Bugga. Ugga Bugga Bugga… boo (can you count the lies?)

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/its-me-im-the-shooter-ugga-bugga-ugga-bugga-bugga-boo-can-you-count-the-lies/

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  201. @Kiza
    It appears that at least some of the victims have been shot by the SWAT team, as one would expect in any hostage situation. This could then explain the high killing and wounding score, which would otherwise suggest multiple shooters, no matter what kind of automatic weapon the shooter had.

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said: “I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation, but I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”
     
    Just imagine the logic of the police chief's statement: the gunman shot at them so they kept shooting back, damn the hostages. Any normal person would assume that the police have no reason to shoot back as long as the perpetrator is shooting at them (highly protected with all kinds of armor), they should shoot only if the perpetrator was shooting at the unarmed and unprotected hostages. The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.

    The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.

    This is why there is an IQ cut off for the police force. Don’t want people thinking too hard!

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  202. Now we find out some number at the club were killed by police…

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  203. Druid says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    To me, the most likely hypothesis is that Omar was just a patsy. The real shooting was probably done by other people.

    The likelihood of so many agendas or talking points dovetailing in an organic event is extremely low: Afghanistan, Islam, ISIS, how much we all love gays...

    Makes sense. Too neat a package for those with agendas!

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  204. Druid says:
    @Kiza
    It appears that at least some of the victims have been shot by the SWAT team, as one would expect in any hostage situation. This could then explain the high killing and wounding score, which would otherwise suggest multiple shooters, no matter what kind of automatic weapon the shooter had.

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said: “I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation, but I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”
     
    Just imagine the logic of the police chief's statement: the gunman shot at them so they kept shooting back, damn the hostages. Any normal person would assume that the police have no reason to shoot back as long as the perpetrator is shooting at them (highly protected with all kinds of armor), they should shoot only if the perpetrator was shooting at the unarmed and unprotected hostages. The logic of policemen never stops to amaze me.

    Concrete wall, my royal tush!

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  205. Druid says:
    @Oskar Kokoschka
    I don't know anything about this loon or his motivations but claiming the Sunni/Shia rivalry only became important in recent years is naive. It was the root cause of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed - what - a million people? That dwarfs anything the US has done in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Your ignorant spouting is astounding. Iraq attacked Iran at the behest of America, since America never forgot or forgave their puppet the Shah being expelled after we did a coup against irans democratic leader mossadech. Nothing to do wit Sunni/Shia. Everything to do with Zionist American imperialistic hubris. Moron!

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  206. Druid says:
    @dahoit
    Lets talk turkey.This started in 48 in Israel and post ww2 energy greed by the USA,which installed puppets throughout the region to make off with the black gold,and the Zionists made off with Palestine.We gave 2 shites for what the Muslims believed and who they worshipped,so stop the idiotic bashing for their not surrendering to the hegemon.
    Until the Muslims (and others)attain the same level of security that we enjoy(despite occasional terror)and Israelis,there will be blood.
    We are f*cking with the wrong people,as they will kill themselves(for whatever reason)to kill us,something forbidden us hedonists,and we will never defeat terror until they are treated with the justice they deserve.
    They did not instigate this,USzion did,so in no way is Islam at fault or to blame,we are.And if the Muslims ever wake up to their stupid schism,maybe they'll win.
    That said,I totally agree with Trump and his approach to our borders.Never in the history of America have fellow Americans turned on their fellows for being American,and the porous southern border is an affront to the Ziomeme of terror,illegal immigration the scum endorse.
    Will Trump be the nationalist hope we so desperately need?I know nobody else will be.YankeeComeHome.

    Well said!

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  207. @Jonathan Revusky

    So it is more a matter of intellectual dishonesty than anything else.
     
    Probably. I find it very had to know for absolutely sure.

    My sense is that these writers engage in the pile-on islamophobia, in large part in order to sort of signal their availability. I mean their availability... as whores basically.... They kinda understand that there is a market for this and they are showing that they can be relied on to go along with the narrative when it is expected of them.

    So, properly understood, these islamophobic writers here, it's like some notorious street corner where the local prostitutes peddle their wares and one shouts: "I'll suck your d***" and the next says: "But you can cum in my mouth!" And then another one says: "You can f*** me in the ass".

    It's like a competition for who can be a dirtier whore. Very unseemly to observe.

    WRT Karlin, I had some earlier conversation with him in which he indignantly stated that he knew what he was talking about because he had lived next to a majority Muslim area in Britain (and I remembered that incorrectly as London, but he just said Britain...) and therefore knew something about these people presumably. I found that particularly galling. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/#comment-1259053

    I don't go around representing that I'm an expert on Islam or anything, but in my life I have traveled in several Muslim countries and have known different Muslims in Canada, the U.S., and Spain. Some were more religious and some were probably twice-a-year Muslims. But, regardless, based on my own experiences, the whole idea that, just because somebody is a Muslim (whether marginally religious or more religious or whatever) that they are particularly likely to go shoot homos in a bar or try to blow up a plane -- this is just preposterous.

    If it suited their purposes, they'd mount the whole psy-op and try to convince you that Buddhists are irrationally violent. Or Hindus. Or southern Baptists. Whatever. It's just nonsense. It doesn't take much research online to find out that these things are all hoaxes of varying sorts. False flags, FBI entrapment operations, and then just outright hoaxes.

    But anyway, as I said, my perception is that these people writing all these islamophobic diatribes, it's a way for them to signal their availability as whores.

    Great comment!

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  208. denk says:

    whats in a name, more msg in plain sight ?

    1. Dr. Cheatham; 2. Dr Lube; 3. Angel Colon:

    - Pulling off a massive hoax? To do this the hoaxers really do have to “cheat ‘um”;

    - as for #2, for a gay-play on words it does not get any more obvious than that;

    - and what about the third character, “Angel Colon”? The colon of an angel? – how can anybody take that twisted little sodomite innuendo-name seriously. Brings to mind instantly of course the Book of Genesis account involving the homosexuals of Sodom who had nefarious designs on the angels visiting the man Lot [Gen. 19:1,4-5,10-11]. Let’s just say that it did not go well for the Sodomites.

    http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2016/06/orlando-psyop-names-give-away-truth.html

    now meet the MilitaryIndustrialCrisisComplex, micc !

    http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2016/06/alleged-orlando-isisgay-shooter.html

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  209. ” So unless we now re-brand Omar Mateen as a “self-hating homosexual”

    Well, that was readily done, as soon as it got needed.

    You expected it though: why would they change tactics that are serving them so well?

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  210. Well as a newcomer to the Unz Review I have to admit it is rather amusing browsing the comments section…

    Basically the usual suspects spouting their usual agenda regardless of the topic of the original story…

    1. It’s all the Jews stupid, because they control all the money, all the media, all the covert services, all the governments…and probably your brain…

    2. It’s all about White supremacy/suffering/final (violent) retribution yet to come (special mention to specialist Joe Webb here…who at least seems smarter than the average goose-stepper with Der Fuhrer portrait on his cellphone wallpaper…although not quite bright enough to figure out that the real “us” against “them” is really the 99 percent versus you know-who…who are not only voracious but clever enough to throw the race/religion/nationality smokescreen in our faces as a diversionary tactic from what should be the real target of our rage…hey it’s worked as long as we have been walking on two legs…and will no doubt continue to work for a long time..)

    3. The “conspiracy theorists” and their sworn opponents…with mostly the opponent camp showing by far less smarts…

    I’m not going to create a separate category for actual intelligent humans here because there appear to be only one or two…Mr. Revusky comes instantly to mind…

    I especially get a kick out of tbraton who is quite clearly intellectually out of his league with a lot of the people he picks silly fights with…I don’t actually plow through his epic verbiage on arcane topics of no possible relevance to anything, but I still get a kick out of his roaring intellectual mouse schtick…

    Anyway…kudos to Mr. Unz for giving the loonies a rumpus room…it’s not only entertaining but also enlightening…as in sometimes kids say the darndest things…or the blind pig who nonetheless manages to find an acorn every now and then…who really knows in what strange ways the mind works…?

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  211. just me says:

    is there any actually evidence that a single person even died in Orlando? are there any credible witnesses who saw even one dead body?

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