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With the upcoming French Presidential election in France the topic of Islam in Europe has again become central to the political discourse. This is nothing new, we also saw that in the UK, in Holland, in Austria and even in Switzerland where the Muslim communities were banned – by popular referendum – from building minarets (even though only four minarets existed in Switzerland before that referendum). Tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims are clearly on the rise, and not only due to some more or less racist or anti-immigrant feelings in the general population, but also due to the often appalling behavior of some refugees from Muslim countries (assaults, rapes, hooliganism) and even some Muslim communities in Europe (advocacy for terrorism, attempts to impose Sharia law). Before the situation gets better (assuming it ever will), it will most likely get worse, much worse.

So what are the options here?

First, let’s agree with Otto von Bismark’s wise words that “politics is the art of the possible“. Those Europeans who think that they will simply expel all Muslims from Europe or somehow manage to eliminate Islam from Europe are deluded. Likewise, those (rather few) Muslims who want to create some kind of Caliphate in Europe are no less deluded. In fact, all those who offer simple, straightforward “solutions” to the current crisis would be well advised to study some Hegelian dialectics to understand that the outcome of this crisis will not be the return to a status quo ante or the creation of an absolutely new reality.

Second, I submit that neither Muslim immigrants nor Islam itself will ever leave Europe: like it or not, they are here to stay. Why? Simply because while some groups, such as illegal immigrants, can be expelled from a country or even from the European continent, others, such as Muslims holding European citizenships or local/native converts to Islam are simply not possible to expel: this is impossible legally, and this is impossible practically (expel where? how?). I have personally worked in refugees centers in Switzerland (as a translator and interpreter) and I have worked as an analyst for the Swiss General Staff where the issue of refugees was often front and center and I can promise you that anybody who really knows how the system works also fully realizes that most of these immigrants are here to stay, even the pseudo-political refugees who are, in reality, economic immigrants and not political refugees at all (about 99% of so-called “political refugees”). At best, the EU could, in theory and with an immense effort, close its borders to future immigrants. Not likely, but at least possible. But mass expulsions are simple not an option.

Third, those Muslims who are already in Europe will inevitably climb the social ladder even if right now they are at the bottom. Many of them are young, many of them have suffered hardships which most Europeans could never overcome. Their family, tribal, ethnic and religious ties are much stronger than the ones you can observe in the modern “nuclear” family of most Europeans. Last, but not least, their social drive is much stronger than the one found in “established” Europeans circles. So even if the current generation is poorly educated and not integrated in the European society, the next one will. I have seen that with many other economic migrants such as Italians or Albanians. So when you see the Iraqi women sweeping the floors of your local hospital, remember that, in two years or so, her daughter will likely work at the same hospital, but as the medical doctor. In other words, the social power of the Muslim community will inevitably grow.

Does that mean that the EU will become ISIS-occupied territory where all women will be wearing burkas and raped, all men forced to converted to Islam or murdered, that slave markets will spring up all over the country, that Sharia law will be imposed on everybody and that homosexuals will be stoned to death?

Of course not! This is a silly caricature of Islam created and promoted by the AngloZionist 1%ers who run the Empire and who are trying to artificially create a clash of civilization which would allow them to remain in power and to continue pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

For one thing, Muslims will remain a rather small minority in Europe for the foreseeable future. But even more importantly, the kind of “Hollywood ISIS-Islam” which I portrayed in the paragraph above is not at all the kind of Islam most Muslims want to live in. In fact, many of them fled their own country precisely to avoid living in a Takfiri “Caliphate”.

You might ask me about those Wahabi crazies who have already murdered many Europeans with screams of “Allahu Akbar” on their lips? Aren’t they bona fide ISIS-types? Well, that is a complicated issue. For example, did you notice the vast majority of these so-called “Islamic” crazies had strong ties to the European security services? That some of them even had traveled to Israel? Doesn’t it seem strange to you that their attacks somehow always seem to be scheduled to coincide with important political events in Europe? Could there have been a genuine ISIS attack in Europe? Yes. But I am pretty sure that most of them were Gladio-style false flags executed by EU or US special services.

I will readily agree that there are real and dangerous al-Qaeda/ISIS types in Europe right now. Yes, they do represent a real risk. But unlike most refugees, these guys do violate European laws and legal action can be taken against them. In theory, Europe could even re-introduce the death penalty for terrorism or even for apology of terrorism. I know, that ain’t happening anytime soon, but what matters is that this will depend on a political decision, the political will of the Europeans. No so for mass expulsions which are impossible regardless of any political decision or will.

ORDER IT NOW

Could there be an uprising or even a civil war in Europe? Yes, but only as long as the governments in power have a vested interest at letting one happen or creating one. But as soon as the national authorities give the security forces and the military the green light to intervene and suppress the insurrection it’s “game over” for the al-Qaeda types.

So while Islam per se or Muslims in general can not be expelled from Europe, the European nations will be able to deal with the security situation provided there is a political will to do so.

Right now the European political class is split into two equally misguided political camps:

  1. Those who think that any criticism of Muslims is “Islamophobic”.
  2. Those who think that all Muslims and Islam are bad, bad, bad, bad.

These are very primitive and fundamentally misguided positions. More importantly, both of these beliefs are bound to result in a failure to achieve anything. For the time being, many Europeans and Americans appear to be stuck in this false choice, but no matter how long it takes reality will eventually catch up with them and they will realize that there is no such thing as one “Islam” or a single type of “Muslim”. The truth is that the world of Islam is extremely diverse and that all of the ingredients needed for a complete defeat of Takfiris (whether of the al-Qaeda, ISIS, al-Nusra or any other kind) can be found inside Islam. In fact, they can only be found inside Islam. Let me illustrate my point by making a simple comparison between Russia and the EU.

Unlike the EU, Russia has one single central government, and a strong one at that. The Russian intelligence and security services are amongst the best on the planet, as it the Russian military. Russia does not suffer from the disease of political-correctness: it is totally acceptable in Russia to denounce Islamic terrorism in the harshest possible terms. In fact, Putin even made a famous statement about “offing the terrorists in the toilets if needed” and the Russians did exactly that: they killed every single Chechen Wahabi leader and, far from denying it, they proudly proclaimed it. The key difference with the EU is that Putin and the Russian people had the political will to stop the insurgency in Chechnia, even if that meant turning all of Chechnia into a pile of smoking rubble.

Yet, at the same time, Putin made major efforts to support the Muslim community in Russia. Not only did he built a huge (and beautiful) mosque in Moscow, he has embarked on major program to support the growth of traditional Islam in Russia (just as he has done with the Orthodox Church). As for Chechnia, Putin has made Ramzan Kadyrov something of a “political son” and has given the Chechens extremely wide autonomy, especially in matters of religion. So is Putin anti-Muslim or pro-Muslim? Neither. Putin understands a simple thing which, so far, totally eludes western politicians: Russians are very good at killing Takfiris, but only Muslims can kill Takfirism.

The threat has never been Islam. The threat is Takfirism. Here is how Wikipedia defines the concept of “Takfir”: In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of excommunication, one Muslim declaring another Muslim as kafir (non-believer). Please read this again carefully. The practice of declaring “another Muslim” as a non-believer. Another Muslim.

So the key characteristic of Takfiris is that they believe that all those who do not follow their version of Islam are not even Muslims. How do you think that this makes these other Muslims feel about the Takfiris? Actually, there is nothing wrong in theological terms with the notion of “Takfir” just as there is nothing wrong with the notion of “excommunication” or, for that matter, “anathema” or “heretic”. These are categories which, when properly used, are indispensable for specific types of theological arguments. However, just as “excommunicate”, “anathema” or “heretic” can be used by some only as insults, slander or even calls to murder, “Takfirism” is first and foremost a mindset. Guns and bullets cannot defeat a mindset. In fact, only ideas can defeat other ideas. The Russians know that.

There are several videos on YouTube (alas, in Russian) which show Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov coming to the location of a battle with Chechen extremists and engaging the terrorists in a theological dispute about Islam. Instead of just ordering his troops to kill them all, he challenges them by asking them “so you think that you are Muslims and we are not?” or “how is our society not Islamic?”. And his favorite one “if you can find a single quote in the Quran proving to me that what I do is not Islamic then I will immediately cease doing it”. This does not always work. Some refuse to surrender and they are all inevitably killed (there is zero tolerance for Takfiris in Chechnia). But frequently this does work. Terrorists lay down their weapons, come out and instead of being abused and jailed or simply shot, they are sent to special prisons where Islamic preachers come and spend long hours teaching them about true Islam. And more often than not, when these young men come out they become volunteers for the Chechen security forces!

Now I ask you – could an Orthodox Christian or an agnostic achieve the same result? Never, of course. So this is why the non-Muslim security forces, while still present in and around Chechnia, are always kept in a reserve and support role. The primary task to police Chechnia is fully entrusted to the Chechens themselves. There are always powerful Russian forces on high alert ready to intervene should the situation suddenly get out of control, but by now the real battle is not fought with guns, it is fought with ideas and, as Putin as said it many times, only real, traditional Islam, can defeat Takfirism.

Right now, most western politicians simply don’t get it. Or, if they do, they don’t dare say it. But sooner or later the Europeans will have to come to that absolutely inevitable conclusion. And when that happens, they will finally realize that Islam and the Muslims who practice is were never the enemy. That the enemy was a relatively small sect of para-Islamic crazies which originated in the 13th century and which remained largely in the fringes of the Islamic world until it was given an immense boost first by the House of Saud and, later, by the US CIA. Today, the Takfiris are still the instrument of the AngloZionist Empire, they are the infection which is unleashed against any country daring to reject the Empire’s dominion. Furthermore, the Takfiris are, first and foremost, a threat to any and all other variants of Islam, whether Shia or Sunni.

In conclusion – a beautiful image and a symbol.

Take a look at this photo:

SakerMosque1

It shows the “Kremlin” (traditional Russian fortress) in the city of Kazan. Notice how the Orthodox churches and the mosque beautifully blend together?

Here is another photo of this beautiful sight:

SakerMosque2

Is this not a serene and peaceful?

Now please take a quick look at the history of Kazan as outlined in Wikipedia. Kazan was a city where Christians and Muslim viciously persecuted each other, both sides practiced forced conversions and both sides engaged in full-scale massacres. In recent times, following the break-up of the Soviet Union, things almost got ugly again, there was a short-lived but very vocal local separatist movement. Then cool heads prevailed. But the fact is that the history of Kazan is hardly idyllic and that a lot of innocent blood has been shed here. The point here is that after centuries of warfare both Muslims and Orthodox Christians have learned how to coexist in peace and even create something truly beautiful, like this Kremlin, together. This would not have been possible with the Takfiris, the hateful and insane monsters who took pride in destroying the beautiful Syrian city of Palmyra. For them there is nothing beautiful in the photo above, it is a blasphemy. Should they ever seize power in Kazan, they would definitely destroy it all, including the mosque.

The lesson here is simple: first, former enemies do sometimes become friends and allies and, second, the churches and mosque of the Kazan Kremlin protect each other and make this Kremlin far stronger than if only one of the two buildings was standing inside its walls.

Mosques are here to stay in Europe too, and the short-sighted who don’t know history will view this as the end of their civilization and they are the ones who, without ever realizing it, will uselessly delay the eventual defeat of Takfirism in Europe and elsewhere. Those who do understand the real dynamics at play will see this as something very different: a chance at rebirth and a fantastic opportunity to truly crush Takfirism both at home and abroad.

Right now Putin’s Russia is the example of how “it is done”. But the West it too busy demonizing everything “Putin” and supporting anything russophobic, such as the Nazis in the Ukraine, that it simply cannot follow this example. But maybe a new generation of European politicians will.

 
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  1. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    In France, the Afro-colonization of white wombs is the greatest threat since white women are into junglois feverois and since white males are raised as cuckois.

    The main threat is racial-sexual than religious.

    As Christianity is dead — with poop as pope and homomaniacal churches — , there is no spirituality to defend in the west. Indeed, Europeans regard mandela, MLK, and obama more sacred than Jesus.

    This is a race war whites are losing since globalist Jews colonized their minds and Africans are colonizing white wombs, thus aborting the white babies that could have been, Everytime a Negro takes a white woman, he is killing a white child cuz the white womb is producing a black baby in its stead. Imagine if your mother went with a negro.

    You would have been afro-aborted. In your stead, your mother’s womb would have produced a negro kid.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    , @Alden
    , @Ann K.
  2. Cyrano says:

    Living with Islam is like living with cancer. You might – as the author of this article suggests – accept this as irreversible situation and peacefully succumb to it, or you might try few things. It won’t be easy, but there are people who have beaten cancer, so it can be done. The other possibility is to surrender. Those are the choices. Peaceful coexistence sounds very good on paper, but you can’t peacefully coexist with a deadly disease.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  3. So even if the current generation is poorly educated and not integrated in the European society, the next one will. I have seen that with many other economic migrants such as Italians or Albanians.

    Didn’t happen with the first generation, nor with the second, but surely the next generation of 85 IQ inbreds will finally be the one to converge to European standards. Third time’s the charm!

    But I am pretty sure that most of them were Gladio-style false flags executed by EU or US special services.

    I for one am pretty sure most of them were Illuminati-style false flags executed by biomechanically augmented cyborgs.

    As for Chechnia, Putin has made Ramzan Kadyrov something of a “political son” and has given the Chechens extremely wide autonomy, especially in matters of religion.

    Don’t forget the minor matter of gibsmedats equivalent to 85% of their local budget.

    The point here is that after centuries of warfare both Muslims and Orthodox Christians have learned how to coexist in peace and even create something truly beautiful, like this Kremlin, together.

    Volga Tatars have an average IQ of around 100 (equivalent to Russia/Europe), and are almost as secular as the average Russian. In other words, they are the exception that proves the rule. None of that applies to the Muslims of the North Caucasus or Central Asia, the latter of whom are immigrating to Russia by the millions. Nor of course to the Muslims flooding into Europe.

  4. But the West it too busy demonizing everything “Putin” and supporting anything russophobic, such as the Nazis in the Ukraine, that it simply cannot follow this example.

    You just can’t get past this BS. I’m sure you write it off as simply not true, and that’s your problem because you simply deny the facts hoping they will go away. They won’t.

    Putin is an idiot accommodating Muslims. But, then, he seems to like stupidity. He’s mush like you Saker. Much like you.

    By the by. The Nazis are in Moscow. The place is filthy with skinheads and other Neo-nazis. They are almost non-existent in Ukraine.

  5. So even if the current generation is poorly educated and not integrated in the European society, the next one will

    In re: Muslims in non-Muslim lands it is highly debatable, to put it mildly.

  6. Third, those Muslims who are already in Europe will inevitably climb the social ladder even if right now they are at the bottom. Many of them are young, many of them have suffered hardships which most Europeans could never overcome.

    Well, this seems far from certain. Algerians in France, Turks in Germany, they were young, suffered hardships, and all that. And yet hardly any of them have climbed the social ladder. Racism is a very powerful force. Watch Fassbinder’s Ali: Fear Eats the Soul.

    As for Chechnya, I got the impression that the current approach there is ‘if you can’t beat them – join them’. A small caliphate led by Islamic spiritual leader (Kadyrov). Which is fine as far as it goes, but eventually it’ll probably become a problem…

  7. @Quartermaster

    How is the Russian Army’s appointment with destruction on the mountains of Israel coming along?

  8. “For example, did you notice the vast majority of these so-called “Islamic” crazies had strong ties to the European security services? That some of them even had traveled to Israel? Doesn’t it seem strange to you that their attacks somehow always seem to be scheduled to coincide with important political events in Europe? Could there have been a genuine ISIS attack in Europe? Yes. But I am pretty sure that most of them were Gladio-style false flags executed by EU or US special services.”

    These conspiracy theories are simply demented. I don’t know why a certain type of Christian reactionary who dislikes the modern West (which I do as well, but for different reasons) is so bizarrely sympathetic to Islam and thinks relations between Muslims and non-Muslims would be just fine if it weren’t for scheming “AngloZionists” or whatever.
    TheSaker is probably right that mass expulsions of Muslims from Western Europe won’t happen and an Islamic presence is here to stay (unless things get really ugly with open civil war). But apart from that, I can’t agree…seems like mostly wishful thinking to me.

  9. I like Muslims just fine in Muslim countries. You may find the scenes of mosques and Orthodox churches in the same photograph beautiful but they disgust me. I’m certain that many people in Spain during the 700 year Reconquista moaned that “the Muslims are here to stay, we can never expel them, Islam is now a part of Spain.” But in 1492 the Spaniards sent them packing.

    Robert Fico of Slovakia has said correctly that there is no place for Islam in the West. There may be minor exceptions in the Balkans and I’m content to let the Russians figure out what to do with their Central Asian Republics. But the policy towards Muslims in the West ought to be either expulsion (both citizenship and legal residency can be revoked) or partition into Muslim and non-Muslim areas. Expulsion impossible, you say? The Poles expelled millions of ethnic Germans from historically German areas like Pomerania, Silesia, East and West Prussia in a couple of years after WWII. Didn’t even say please; just did it. There’s no reason that the same can’t be done to Muslims. Where shall we send them? Well, there are lots of Muslim countries, and many of them are very wealthy and some have nice climates. Why wouldn’t they welcome their wonderful Muslim brothers and sisters with open arms? (Well, maybe they know them better than we do!)

    The more likely solution is partition of specific European countries, beginning probably with France. The territorial real estate solution will be agonizing but Yugoslavia broke up and the sun came up the next day in Belgrade.

    The most likely solution is that Western Europe descends into a caramel colored undifferentiated consumerist mass governed by an elite. The elite’s wealth and political clout will largely insulate it from the consequences, but the historic European populations will be periodically terrorized by unassimilable, predominantly Muslim Arabs, Africans and Turks, and relentlessly persecuted if they try and hit back.

    Permitting large scale Muslim immigration into Western Europe has been one of the worst public policy decisions of all time. The great-grandchildren of the people who permitted it will be fully justified in digging up the bones of their ancestors and hanging them in chains.

    • Agree: KenH, Clyde
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Boris N
    , @annamaria
  10. woodNfish says:

    “Tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims … and not only due to some more or less racist…”

    Oh here we go with the racist crap again. Racism is a phony Western concept that tries to make the natural human desire to be with your own kind into a bad thing. It isn’t, and “muslim” is not a race. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that Europeans or anyone else has to accept foreigners into their countries and communities. The solution to this problem is to kill the globalist traitors trying to force this on us. Nothing else is going to stop it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Numinous
  11. ia says:

    This author better visit India and see for himself what happens when Muslims move in. LOL. Hell on earth after 1000 years.

    • Replies: @rw95
    , @Numinous
    , @Anonymous
  12. Ryan says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Didn’t happen with the first generation, nor with the second, but surely the next generation of 85 IQ inbreds will finally be the one to converge to European standards. Third time’s the charm!

    What I’ve read indicates that most marriages of second generation Muslims in Europe are to first generation immigrants from the home country. So if you’re a Turk living in Germany your daughter doesn’t marry a Turk born in Germany, she marries a guy from Turkey.

    With this pattern in place there never really will be any “third generation” Muslims in Europe.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  13. People are better off studying biology than political science to understand what is really going on.

    All organisms, including humans of course, are invasivist(offensive) and nativist(defensive). Some are more invasive than others, but all are invasive to some measure. Some are more nativist than others, but all must also be nativist to some degree.

    Living organisms are not content to stay put. They like to spread out and take over more turf. If bacteria or viruses are making a person sick, they are NOT content to stick with that man. They spread out and take over other men and women. It’s like the pod things in THE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS. Or the morphing organism in THE THING.

    [MORE]

    It has this need to take over other areas. But humans are like that too. After all, why do humans have military bases in BODYSNATCHERS? Why else have humans colonized a distant corner of Antarctica in THE THING?
    Why are they in the land of penguins? Humans too are invasive. So, THE THING is about war between invaders. But both are also defenders of what they claim. Humans seek to defend their ‘new nativist’ turf in Antarctica. And the Thing tries to hold onto the humans, dogs, and other organisms it has colonized; they’ve become part of its turf. (There are two kinds of claimants. Of the tangible and of the intangible. Those who claim land or immovable objects are claimants of the tangible. Those who claim people’s minds or mercurian systems are claimants of the intangible. Nationalist power is about taking over and defending a definite piece of territory. Christian or ideological power is about infecting and taking over the minds of people all over. Christianity doesn’t have to take over Chinese territory to take over the world. It only needs to infect hearts and minds. Finance is somewhere between tangible and intangible. In the end, finance has power because money can be converted to real goods and properties. But the global financial system allows massive amounts of money-power to easily and instantly flow from one part of the world to another.)

    What the humans fear is that the Thing will try to spread out and take over all organisms around the world: all humans and all animals and maybe all plants too if such is possible. (The Thing should have turned into penguin or whale and then colonized ocean creatures and then swum to other continents.) So, the humans in The Thing try to prevent the Thing from taking over all humans in the station. If the Thing colonizes every human, then the thing-ized humans can go move to other continents and colonize other humans, and then, the human species will all be Thing-ized. The cucksters of the West have been pod-ized and thing-ized by the Glob.

    Sometimes, there is a duality, an anxiety, even in the colonized or ones being colonized. We see this in Blair in THE THING.

    There are two ways the Thing can take over someone. By physically overwhelming the person, killing him, and copying his DNA. Or, it can infect a person and slowly change the person from the inside. That seems to be the case with Blair. Because he operated on the Thing, it’s possible that some of the Thing germs got into his skin and bloodstreams. So, the Thing is incubating inside him like a virus and taking over gradually.
    So, there is a moment when Blair’s mentality becomes dualistic. He feels the human emotions of wanting to defend the human species. But he also feels the Thing emotions of wanting to take over the human species. Among whites, some remain nationalist and resist the Glob. Some have been completely mentally colonized by it. But there are those who feel anxiety and inner-crisis. Their natural white racial instinct tells them that globalism means hell for the white race. But they’ve also been infected by the Glob virus that makes them feel ‘racist’ and wicked for feeling such thoughts. So, to suppress their ‘evil’ side, they might become extra-fanatical to push the Glob agenda. But then, it maybe possible to come up with new mental-vaccinations to change back the pod-people to sane nationalist white people. After all, there have been cures for certain diseases such as mumps, syphilis, and etc.

    Nativism is the flipside of invasivism. One cannot exist without the other. After all, to invade means to make an effort and a claim. It isn’t merely wandering new territory accidentally or arbitrarily. It’s about advancing with the purpose of making a claim upon the territory. When you invade, take over, and make a claim, it means you have to own it, defend it, guard it, and preserve it. Thus, you as invavist also must be prepared to be nativist on the territory that you have conquered and claimed. If you don’t play the nativist role, other invasivie forces will take it from you, and then, the whole point of your invasion would have been for naught.

    Wolves don’t have colleges and study political science, but they instinctively understand this fact of life. Wolves don’t invade another territory just for the hell of it but to take over and claim it. They mark the territory with body scents and urine. They guard it through violence and group unity. So, invasivist wolves are also nativist wolves. If you invade but don’t protect what you’ve invaded, you won’t keep it because other invasivist forces will take it from you. The invavist must also be nativist to keep its bounty. It’s like a taker of water needs a bucket(without holes) to keep the water. It’s like the character of OLD MAN AND THE SEA is both an invasivist hunter and nativist holder of his trophy. He invades the sea to catch a marlin, but he does everything to defend his catch from other invasivist predators. Hyenas try to guard their kill from other hyena packs, leopards, and lions.
    It’s like football. The game is invasivist and nativist. Each team tries to invade and grab more of the territory of the other team. But invading isn’t enough. What is invaded must also be defended in nativist mode. What is taken from the Other must be guarded as Ours. Because all organisms are invasivist by nature, organisms must nativistically defend what they’ve invasively conquered.

    This is true of all nations. Israel was created by invasivism(but then, Jews lost it long ago to the invasivism of the Romans). Zionists arrived as invasivists and drove out the Palestinians. But Zionist Israelis must now be nativist and defend what they’ve claimed for themselves. Without such nativist zeal, the fate of Israeli Jews will be that of Palestinians(and Swedes in 50 yrs hence).
    The cleverest invasivists try to weaken the nativist will of their enemies or targets. Thus, the invasion is made easier, as Greeks did with the Trojans with the false gift of the Wooden Horse. But once the invasion has taken place, the invasivists must turn nativist to keep if they are to keep what they invaded and claimed.
    Jews have two ways of doing this. In the case of Israel, it is majority-nativism. Since Jews comprise the dominant demography of Israel, they can be straightforward nativist-nationalist in declaring THIS MUST BE A JEWISH STATE.
    But Jews can never take the US, Canada, and EU in such manner. Jews can never be the outright majority. So, if Jews promote nativism in such nations, it will only lead to white nativist consciousness, white pride, white unity, and white power… which may challenge Jewish minority elite supremacy. So, Jews cannot act like invading wolves in the West like they did in Palestine. They must operate more like invading viruses that penetrate into cells undetected and alter the programming from the inside. By colonizing white minds and persuading it that ‘diversity’ and ‘multi-culturalism’ are the highest & noblest goods while white identity, racial consciousness, homogeneity, and nativism are the greatest evils, white organisms become less nativist and lose the will to defend themselves against the invasivist Third World that wants access to the richer West(just like predators and parasites head for areas where food is bountiful). Worse, the PC virus might fool whites into thinking that Western Nationalist Values are all about Diversity, or endless invasion from the Third World. Now, what kind of nationalism is predicated on surrender to mass invasion? But then, Jews fooled whites into believing ‘gay marriage’ is the New Normal in morality.

    Now, why would the invasion of the West by the non-West be good for Jews? Won’t Jews be invaded too, along with whites? There is that danger to be sure, but Jews are banking on diversity as a weapon for the ruling minority elite. More diversity means less unity among the masses. It means the elites can effectively play divide-and-rule among the disunited masses. Thus, Jewish elite power will remain secure above the fray of the squabbling gentiles divided by diversity. But, some may ask, what if the newcomers challenge Jewish elite power and status? Won’t they topple the Jews one day? Jews aren’t too worried since most immigrant-invasivists don’t have the wherewithal to rise very high. African immigrants, Muslim immigrants, and ‘Hispanic’ immigrants(the non-white ones) are mostly limited in ability. East Asians can rise higher, but they lack the spark and leadership qualities to really take over. Also, too many East Asian women have kids for whites and Jews for there to be East Asian unity. The only people who might pose a threat to Jewish dominance are Asian-Indians, many of whom are intelligent and entrepreneurial. Also, Asian-Indians tend to stick together in sex and reproduction. And there are so many of them, and many more are being born. India now has 1.3 billion people and will soon be more populous than China, if it isn’t already. It has more people than all of Western Europe and US combined. This is why Jews are trying to forge ‘friendly’ ties with Asian-Indians and Pakistanis. Jews hope for a Zio-Indo wink-wink cooperation against white power. (Pakistanis are more useful than other Muslims since they are not Arab and thus less likely to care about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.)
    But then, Jews know that have an advantage that Hindus and Pakistanis lack. Jews can pass as whites, whereas Hindus and Pakistanis can’t. So, Jews play it both ways. Jews play the Asian-Indian card against whites. Jews go to Asian-Indians and Pakistanis and say, “Look, we Jews and you Indians/Pakistanis are victim-brothers against those white supremacist racist nativist scum.” And Hindus and Pakistanis play along because they want continued access to the richer West. But Jews also curtail Hindu-Pakistani power in the West by playing to white fears and anxiety. The coded Jewish message to whites is, “We Jews ain’t Christian, but we are ‘white’ too, just like you white gentiles. So, Jewish power is still white power, whereas Asian-Indian power is alien. So, white gentiles should support Jews against Asian-Indians if differences arise between Jews and Hindus.”

    Jews play it like the character in YOJIMBO and A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS. They play every side against each other. They don’t play it like Gregory Peck character in THE BIG COUNTRY who is also caught between two feuding clans but tries to resolve the conflict and bring peace. In contrast, Jewish globalist-supremacists thrive on the conflict among various groups. They are like Paul McCartney’s ‘grandfather’ in A HARD DAY’S NIGHT. A king mixer.

    Anyway, those who conquer must also be prepared to defend. Otherwise, what was the whole point of all that preparation, investment, industry, risk-taking, and sacrifice? I mean, imagine if Zionists went through all that trouble of invading Palestine and laboring to create Israel… just to hand it over to Africans, Iranians, Hindus, and Chinese. Why invade something just to let others invade it? Why climb a mountain to give the credit to another?
    To invade something means to make a claim, and once the claim is made, it has to be defended in nativist mode. Multi-culturalism is a Jewish globalist mind-virus trick that fools all nations that they must NOT defend their own lands on the basis of nativism. PC turns the claim into a ‘blame’ of ‘white guilt’. Whites are told they must surrender to invasivism. Now, why would Jews promote such things all over the world when they don’t for Israel?
    Because when all gentile nations become less nativist and defensive and embrace the cult of diversity, they will lose a sense of unity and solidarity. And that means Jewish globalist power can more easily infiltrate and penetrate and take over. Jews also use the homo-agenda to weaken the moral pride and confidence of every nation. Any nation that celebrates the perverse ‘sexual’ behavior of homos as the highest moral good has lost its equilibrium and bearing. Such a degenerate nation can be manipulated and subverted by any foreign power. This is why Jews are bitter about Russia’s resistance to the globo-homo-agenda, the proxy of Jewish supremacists.

    Anyway, the multiculturalist experiment in the US, Canada, and EU should be studied as a cautionary lesson on what happens when nations surrender their nativism. Without nativism, your people and nation will succumb to more invasivists who arrive and take what belongs to your people: the land, the wealth, the womenfolk, and the children too(like at Rotherham) that were claimed and defended by your ancestors.

    It’s true that every nation is the creation of invasivists sometime in history. Every nation, old or young, is a territory with a history of invaders and conquerors. But those invavists made a claim on what they invaded, and that meant they defended it in the mode of nativists. They, as invaders, understood and feared that invaders can be invaded in turn. So, if invaders are to keep what they’ve invaded, they must turn into nativists over the land that they’ve claimed as their own. It’s no different with wolves. An invading wolf pack invades turf from another wolf pack. But then, it can also lose that territory to yet more wolf packs. So, when a wolf pack takes land, it must turn nativist defend it from others. This is why Israel has survived over the years. Zionist invaders took the land from Palestinians. But through brute force of the IDF, patriotic race-ist immigration policy open only to Jews, and nationalist education, Israel has preserved itself and prevented it from being invaded in turn by other peoples. The US used to be like a giant Israel for European folks.

    This is why all this stuff about America’s ‘racist’ immigration policies is total BS.
    Yes, it is true that white folks invaded and took the land from Indians(and wild animals). But the whole point of invasion is to make a claim on the land you invade. After all, why go through all the trouble of invading(often a violent, bloody, and taxing process) if you’re not going to make such a claim? For every ounce of happiness, there was also lots of pain in the creation and expansion of America. It took tremendous work and even great sacrifice at times. So, why should whites folks just hand over what their ancestors invaded and claimed to other would-invaders? This is especially bogus when whites did most of the work whereas the new would-be invaders just come and live off the bounty of what the ancestors of whites did to create. Whitse make something out of nothing, and others live off that something while spitting on whites. Worse, these new invaders, brainwashed by PC, spit on the graves of white people who did so much to build America.

    It’s like a battle. It takes tremendous blood sacrifice. Lots of soldiers get killed. Lots of families will never see their kids again. So, if one side gains territory in war, it was often at great cost in terms of life and material. So, if territory is gained through war, it must be defended so that it won’t fall to the enemy once again. If land that was won through great sacrifice won’t be defended, what was all that sacrifice for?

    The reason why so many white peoples lack nativist instinct is three-fold: (1) They had it too good for too long, and they have lost the survivalist-organismic instinct (2) Pop Culture-as-main-culture has severed their ties to history and roots. So, they are unaware of the toil-and-sweat of their ancestors. Also Pop Culture makes them prefer other cultures, especially that of Negro, over their own kind since Negroes be fun, funky, and shi*. It leads to amnesiac jungle-hipster neo-savagery among white youths. (3) PC has filled whites with ‘white guilt’, so even whites who know something about history see it through the prism of ‘white historical sins’ as manipulated by Jewish-controlled media and academia. Also, PC, in cahoots with Pop Culture, made Diversity so iconic and sacrosanct that whites feel apologetic if they imagine any story or narrative that is all white and lacking in ‘diversity’. So, British TV is now featuring blacks in role of white historical figures and penalizes programs that don’t feature non-whites. Apparently, British History was deficient because it was too white. PC retrofits or retro-corrects history by Africanizing white heroes. It’s like the TV show that has a Negro as Lancelot in the new telling of the Arthurian tale, which is also a means to promote Afro-colonization of white wombs and cuck-mindset among white males reduced to status of ‘white boys’.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @utu
  14. @Anatoly Karlin

    Volga Tatars have an average IQ of around 100 (equivalent to Russia/Europe), and are almost as secular as the average Russian.

    In Soviet times it certainly was true. Today? Well, they are not as secular as they used to be. In the end, whatever is their IQ levels, and I studied and served with some outstanding officers and scholars both from among Tatars and Bashkirs, a lot of it could be attributed to centuries old contact with Russians and being a part of Russian civilizational journey. Even a rabid Russophobe Friedrich Engels was forced to admit that “despite her Slavic dirt and baseness, Russia provides a civilizing influence on her Asiatic subjects”(c) Well, Susan Eisenhower (Ike’s daughter) was wedded to one of the Tatars for decades but after divorcing Roald Sagdeev she admitted that he was “well, Tatar”.

    • Replies: @truthtellerAryan
  15. @Priss Factor

    People are better off studying biology than political science to understand what is really going on.

    “Political science” is a faux “science”, people are better off studying real history (admittedly it is not easy), economics and literature (or simply become avid readers) and military science, which, unlike “political science” is hard but is a real science. There is nothing to study in biology, the most people need to know, with the exception of those who go professionally in that field, is that we prefer “our own”. That, plus some basic facts, including the fact that DNA does exist.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  16. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Truth About Macron

    https://t.co/zwvBqhZVwl

    • Replies: @annamaria
  17. @Cyrano

    Yes, and that coexistence becomes markedly less peaceful and tolerant as the Muslims out-reproduce non-Muslims and constitute a larger & larger share of the population over time.

    Unless and until white Europeans start having babies again and regain a sense of national pride and identity, t’s not a question of WHETHER Islam will conquer Europe and Europeans, it is a question of WHEN.

    Mass expulsion of Muslims can happen, quite easily with current numbers in most European countries, and it must happen. Voluntary departure of Muslims induced by a monetary payment, whenever possible, rather than violence.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @dodger23
  18. @Andrei Martyanov

    There is nothing to study in biology, the most people need to know, with the exception of those who go professionally in that field, is that we prefer “our own”.

    History is story of human biology.

    Military history is study of human biological aggression.

    Economics is story of human biological drive for territory and property.

    Literature is human biological use of signs and words as weapons.

    It’s all biology.

    At their root, all of human behavior are analogous to what happens among germs, animals, and plants.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @5371
  19. @Priss Factor

    It’s all biology.

    Sure, and rocket science is also biology and so is operational research and so is radar and sonar. I am sure ballistics and Fourier transformations also have something to do with biology;-) I can tell you one thing for sure–Newtonian Mechanics sure as hell has everything to do with botanic, which is a part of biology.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  20. Cyrano says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The fairly recent phenomena of uncontrolled immigration from all over the (3rd) world is based on the phony notion that we are all “equal”. There is no such a thing as being equal. You are either better or you are worse. Pretty much every human activity involves competition: Politics, studying, sports, employment – everything is based on competition.

    The purpose of competition is to win, not to get “equal”. If the most desired outcome of competition was to get equal, then sports won’t make sense anymore, because the most desired outcome of any match will already have been achieved before the start of the game – 0:0. So what would be the point of watching or playing any game? Just to observe the poetry in motion, or what?

    The phony generosity of the west towards the 3rd world immigrants simply means we are so much better than you that we can bestow the consolation prize of declaring you as equal. Declaring someone as equal can be very dangerous if you are not 100% sure that they will reciprocate that generosity once they are in position to decide whether they want to or not.

    Which is the situation the west is facing with Islam. Once they start to outnumber the natives in the west, I very much doubt it that they will be in egalitarian mood. It’s easy to get confirmation on this – just check today how Muslim countries treat their minorities – especially the religious ones, and then you’ll get the picture what kind of “equality” you can expect from them.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  21. @Anon

    homossexuality = no-”spirituality”, derstand, 😉

  22. rw95 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Not saying you’re wrong, AK. But considering Russia’s supposedly high average IQ, why is it such a corrupt, crime-infested shithole?

  23. Tony says:

    You really believe all this garbage you write? These arent called no go zones in Europe for nothing. There is a clear and present danger that cannot be ignored.

  24. @Andrei Martyanov

    Sure, and rocket science is also biology and so is operational research and so is radar and sonar.

    In the end, all our science and technology is nothing more than a beehive made by bees, their death-star.

    Human intellect, science, and technology allow people to do amazing things, but, as DR. STRANGELOVE shows, the WHY is biological.
    In 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, it begins with the bone and develops into a rocket ship, but the driving force is biology.

    [MORE]

    The question is WHY do we create stuff, make stuff, innovate stuff, and etc? And this stuff we make may seem so amazing that they are divorced from biology. But we make them to serve biology: the organism’s attraction to great comfort, security, fun, pleasure, power, sex, domination.

    Consider immigration. It is explained in highfalutin terms of ‘proposition nation’, ‘huddle masses yearning to breathe free’, etc. But it’s just organisms seeking for greener pastures.

    Whether humans are making bows & arrows or B-52 bombers, it’s the manifestation of same biological impulses. Everything we do and make is to serve our biological needs.

    Suppose we suck out all the hormones of people while leaving the intellect. Same intellect and same intelligence. But humans will just be calculating machines. Without instinct and emotions and drive, they will have no will to use their intelligence.

    They actually did such an experiment where the hormones of some guy was pulled. He just felt numb. He looked around and lacked will. And everything seemed equally ‘pleasant’ in this emotion-drained state. Everything seemed to be of equal value. Show such a person gold and lead, and they mean the same thing.
    To a person with emotions, gold means power, wealth, and that means success, sex, and good stuff. His hormones drive him to fight for gold.
    But to a person without emotions, gold is just like anything else. And stuff like power, success, happiness, and etc have no meaning to him since he has no emotions.

    If Einstein had no hormones and only intellect, he never would have bothered to discover the laws of the universe. No matter the ability, there would have been no drive, no will. He would have been at peace with himself doing nothing. But he had emotions, and animal emotions drive man to conquer, and this made him want to conquer knowledge and unlock the key to universe and taste the forbidden fruit. And he wanted fame and recognition. So, he was really intelligence driven by ape emotions.

  25. One thing that many people in these debates fail to notice is that many Muslims in the West leave the fold. While some first generation Muslims double down on their Muslim identity and become more Muslim, equal numbers leave the religion, marry outside, and their children are not raised Muslim. I know plenty of Muslims in the West that have done so. The same is true about all tight-knit religious communities that impose a restrictive lifestyle, such as Mormons, Orthodox Jews, and others. They breed and they breed and they breed, but they lose many of those that they breed to secularism and modernity. The town I live in is full of ex-Mormons, for example. For this reason, I find all notions of “Eurabia” and the looming “Muslim takeover” to be alarmism. That said, I do think that open borders is suicide and the west needs to shut the border, and fast. But once that is done, the situation will take care of itself. There will always be an annoying small minority of hardcore Muslims, but this lifestyle is so unattractive that they always remain a small minority.

    • Replies: @imnobody00
    , @RadicalCenter
  26. utu says:
    @Priss Factor

    So you are saying that Chinese have no chance against the globo-jews? I was hoping they would put up a good fight.

  27. utu says:
    @German_reader

    These conspiracy theories are simply demented.

    They will seem demented to any honest and straightforward mind. You just can’t imagine or accept the level of evil and perfidy of those who perpetrate false flags and and who are able to create patsies out of innocent people. Perhaps by being German you are more handicapped than others in this department. Germans invented the 2nd Categorical Imperative and they internalized it pretty well, so operating on levels where you treat other human purely instrumentally with utmost perfidy Germans are simply lacking necessary talents. Germans never had much talents in this department. Look at the Reichstag fire trial. They were unable to secure the conviction for all accused. Can you imagine a trial like that in Moscow in 1930s? Or in post 9/11 America? Everybody would be convicted. Look at Herschel Grynszpan. They could not engineer a show trial after they got him and then they kept him not knowing what to do (and probably he survived). Do you think Brits, Soviets or Israeli would miss such a propaganda opportunity? Look at Gleiwitz incident. Did it even happen as we were told it happened during Nuremberg trials? When you do a false flag you suppose to write about it in newspapers, right? That is the whole point of the false flags, right? But apparently nobody heard about Gleiwitz until the end of war when Americans procured a testimony of the alleged perpetrators. So I might be not that surprised why you seem to be that dense in this department. Anyway, Saker is right: There might be some organic genuine terror attacks by some fools but most of what we see in recent years in Europe comes from operations like Gladio. The Polish truck in Berlin was a Gladio operation too. Looks like German security services are learning from the masters. Still they messed up with a passport because some good citizen and not crooks cop apprehended somebody who was not meant to be a patsy. They ha dot go to plan B and they planted a passport few days later and from a dead guy in Italy.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Wally
  28. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I for one am pretty sure most of them were Illuminati-style false flags executed by biomechanically augmented cyborgs.

    Come on, Karlin, you are not that stupid. How is the proselytizing of the gospel of Charles Murray going in Moscow?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  29. @rw95

    One could easily apply that logic to the United States’ top 150 cities, starting with the Federal political, military and intelligence leadership in Washington DC. Careful with your assumption on Russia, it’s an easy one to stand on its head.

  30. @rw95

    You could say the same about the US. By W European standards the crime rate in America is high.
    Both Russia and America have majority white, European populations which are able to maintain the normal functions of society despite the comparatively high crime rates.
    Where you have high crime rates and low IQ populations, then you see societal collapse, whether it be Venezuela or South Africa.

    • Replies: @rw95
    , @Swing
  31. “That Sharia law will be imposed on everybody”.

    So, you expect these Moslem immigrants to restrain themselves from imposing Sharia law on everybody else when they reach 55% of the population? Do you know how democracy works?

    As for Moslems being “bad, bad, bad, bad”, I don’t really care what they are, but I do know that I do not want them in Europe at all. They have no place here.

    I didn’t see how it could happen; but Nostradamus predicted a Moslem invasion of Europe and he does not predict a happy outcome for the former indigenous European population who are standing idly by watching this invasion happen. The blockheads on the European Commission and an imbecile German Chancellor are making it happen.

    kerdasi amaq

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  32. segundo says:

    Well, that’s the last time I read a Saker article that has “Islam” or “Muslim” in the title. Sorry, Saker, just because Russia does it, it doesn’t mean that it’s right or practical in the long run. I say this as a reader who likes most of your posts.

  33. Corvinus says:
    @woodNfish

    “Oh here we go with the racist crap again. Racism is a phony Western concept that tries to make the natural human desire to be with your own kind into a bad thing.”

    Racism is a genuine human construct rooted on centuries of historical phenomenon.

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    “It isn’t, and “muslim” is not a race.”

    You are right, for once. Muslim is referred to as a follower of Islam. Followers of Islam come from different races.

    “There is no reasonable argument that can be made that Europeans or anyone else has to accept foreigners into their countries and communities.”

    Just because person is not willing to accept something does not mean the argument being made is other than reasonable.

    “The solution to this problem is to kill the globalist traitors trying to force this on us. Nothing else is going to stop it.”

    So, are you going to take that your white rage and partake in this endeavor, or remain on the sidelines as an impotent white? How much longer are you willing to wait before the globalists eventually take you out?

  34. If the nations of Europe enacted a moratorium on all future immigration from the Middle East, deported all illegal immigrants, cracked down hard on radical Sunni terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS, ended affirmative action and welfare for immigrants, and ended “no go zone” policing, I suspect many Muslim legal immigrants would choose to self deport.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  35. @rw95

    Russia was systematically ravaged twice within the past century, first by the Bolsheviks and then by the 1990s oligarchs.

    It will take time for the wounds to heal.

    • Replies: @rw95
  36. Laurie says:

    You are in Layla land. Check back in 20 years.

  37. RodW says:

    Having lived among muslims in the U.K. and now encountering them in Japan too, I agree that the doors of non-muslim countries should be shut to them. They may or may not assimilate in time, but they’re horribly annoying until they do, and why suffer that if you don’t have to?

    Even the muslims here in Japan studying advanced science degrees post unscientific and antifactual crap on Facebook about the nature of their god and what happens if you eat pork and consume alcohol (surprisingly, the answer isn’t ‘digestion’). Their religion makes it impossible for them to hold and profess simple truths, which makes them unfit as even casual companions. It makes no difference which country they come from either or to which race they belong. But as muslims, they all glom together and wallow in the same bullshit.

    • Agree: utu, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Che Guava
  38. @utu

    I for one am pretty sure most of them were Illuminati-style false flags executed by biomechanically augmented cyborgs.

    Come on, Karlin, you are not that stupid.

    I don’t think he is, no. It’s willful ignorance. Karlin is in some kind of competition with some others here to see how much Zionist d*** he can get down his throat.

    Have you noticed how these guys always resort to this sort of lame sarcasm when somebody hits this kind of Zio third rail of false flag terrorism? Like that ghastly Stefan Molyneux creature. Or Fred Reed in his “Legion of the Tinfoil Hat” nonsense article…

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Kurt van Ghoye
  39. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    It is very simple. He knows what can be potentially fatal to a career in this world. He also explains the world by the hierarchy of IQ’s and ethnicity. This is another indication for a very affirmative attitude, with respect to who gives the blow jobs and who receives them. Now he is on a mission to Russia to proselytize the HBD gospel as he wrote somewhere. Who is paying for it? The same people who supported Charle Murray? Anyway, Russians should be very wary about this renegade.

    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
  40. Corvinus says:
    @John Gruskos

    Thanks for your laundry list of virtual impossibilities.

  41. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “I like Muslims just fine in Muslim countries.”

    And I enjoy people who embrace my values in my nation, whether it be white or non-white, Christian or non-Christian.

    “Robert Fico of Slovakia has said correctly that there is no place for Islam in the West.”

    The major religions have a place “in the West”. He is sadly mistaken.

    “But the policy towards Muslims in the West ought to be either expulsion (both citizenship and legal residency can be revoked)…”

    Only by force. Are you willing to fight?

    “or partition into Muslim and non-Muslim areas.”

    Only by force. Are you willing to fight?

    “Expulsion impossible, you say? The Poles expelled millions of ethnic Germans from historically German areas like Pomerania, Silesia, East and West Prussia in a couple of years after WWII.”

    Different context. The Poles had experienced two World Wars due in large part to German machinations. Of course they would condone this sort of action.

    “Where shall we send them? Well, there are lots of Muslim countries, and many of them are very wealthy and some have nice climates. Why wouldn’t they welcome their wonderful Muslim brothers and sisters with open arms? (Well, maybe they know them better than we do!)”

    Muslims are fine where they are in the West, especially in the United States.

    “The most likely solution is that Western Europe descends into a caramel colored undifferentiated consumerist mass governed by an elite. The elite’s wealth and political clout will largely insulate it from the consequences, but the historic European populations will be periodically terrorized by unassimilable, predominantly Muslim Arabs, Africans and Turks, and relentlessly persecuted if they try and hit back.”

    Again, what are you doing to stop this phenomenon from materializing? How are you going to stop these elites cold in their tracks? Talking is NOT action.

    “The great-grandchildren of the people who permitted it will be fully justified in digging up the bones of their ancestors and hanging them in chains.”

    White people collectively made this decision by way of freedom of association. You know, the liberty of people to decide for themselves who they want to “be around with”.

  42. KenH says:

    The Saker discredits his own arguments in the last several paragraphs in recounting the bloody disputes between Christians and non-Takfiri Muslims in Kazan. Saker posits that non-Takfiri Muslims are wondrous and non-violent but if this is true then why have they periodically clashed violently with the Christians in Kazan?

    The Muslims in Bosnia were some of the most liberal (and fair skinned) on the planet yet they, too, answered the call to jihadism against the Christian Serbs and other kaffirs after they attained a plurality in Bosnia and following the dissolution of the communist police state. I realize the history of the Balkans is complicated and the Serbs weren’t always angels, but neither were the Muslims despite all the propaganda blaming Milosevic and the Serbs for everything.

    So it isn’t as simple as non-Takfiri Muslim = good and Takfiri/Wahabi muzzie = bad. All it takes is Muslims in a sizable enough percentage for conflict to arise. I’ve read a number of stories where Muslims from the U.K. and Europe who joined ISIS hailed from non-takfiri households and some were living respectable lives, yet they chose jihad.

    Putin played Darwin in Chechnya and naturally selected moderate Muslims by killing all the violent Wahabi types. Ramzan Kadyrov is on a very short leash and likely knows it. How would Kadryov react if Putin wanted to settle thousands of Christians in Chechnya?

    A true test would be if Russia descends into political turmoil and is unable to project power over Chechnya. Then we’ll see if Kadyrov is sincere or simply engaging in taqiyya.

    • Replies: @ThatDamnGood
  43. @utu

    Now he is on a mission to Russia to proselytize the HBD gospel as he wrote somewhere. Who is paying for it?

    Hmm… You don’t believe people are capable of advocating all kinds of nonsense of their own free will and at their own expense? In that case, who is financing you?

    • Agree: Logan
    • Replies: @Logan
  44. RJJCDA says:

    Obvious fact: The West is on the descendant, and Islam is on the ascendant. Today Islam has the energy, vitality, and culturally confident mindset while Christianity and its culture, Western civilization, is weak, defeatist, apologetic and submissive to others. Their respective trajectories will soon cross if the West does not expel Islam from traditionally Western areas.

    See: Biohistory by Jim Penham.

  45. utu says:

    You don’t believe people are capable of advocating all kinds of nonsense of their own free will and at their own expense?

    I do believe in cases like that, however, don’t you see that it would be rude to allege that AK is just a useful idiot. That’s why I give him my benefit of doubt by thinking he does it for career and money while in case of Charles Murray I have no doubt whatsoever. He does it for money and we know where the money comes from. On the other hand, in cases of you or I it might be safe to assume we are idiots who are not even useful because we are inconsequential.

  46. rw95 says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Agreed for the most part, but can Russian society really be called “functional?”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  47. rw95 says:
    @John Gruskos

    This is exactly like saying colonialism is responsible for Africa’s shithole status.

    EUROPEANS ARE NOT EQUAL. Eastern Europe has always been a shithole (on average) in comparison to western Europe. Get over it.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Corvinus
  48. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @rw95

    No, communism made these countries worse off. Example: Hungary was roughly as rich (or poor) as Italy before 1939, but now it’s like more than 50% poorer, communism didn’t help. Relative to Austria, it was 30% poorer. Now it’s over 70% poorer. Communism destroyed the relative positions of all countries affected by it. And it was probably the worst in Russia, both because communism was the worst there (in Europe), and because it was the longest.

    • Agree: utu, Alden
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
  49. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There’s this idea that westerners have that Islam can be managed by them, that it can be defanged and declawed. This is an illusion. Multicultural tolerance is a western idea, not an Islamic one. The photos of the mosque alongside churches are a snapshot in time that only reflects the balance at that moment. As soon as Muslims gain the upper hand that picture will change drastically. For every mosque erected in a Christian country a church must be built in a Muslim one or else no deal. It’s all a one way street, totally unequal. They take and we give.
    Everything is always impossible until it happens. After centuries of living under the thumb of Islam the people of Spain and the Balkans were able to liberate themselves from that slaving rubbish and expelled them. Ideally it’d be best to do so while still in a position of strength but unfortunately people won’t learn until they’re literally fighting for their lives.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  50. Corvinus says:
    @rw95

    This is exactly like saying colonialism is responsible for Africa’s shithole status.”

    Colonialism and imperialism is largely responsible.

    “EUROPEANS ARE NOT EQUAL. Eastern Europe has always been a shithole (on average) in comparison to western Europe. Get over it.”

    Europeans are white. All white people are equal. Don’t you pay attention to the Alt Right?

    “And don’t give me the old “they’re white, they assimilated” bullshit. Assimilation does not happen. EVER.”

    By your own metric, the English, Scottish, and Dutch are not descendants of the Founding Fathers, “our posterity” be damned.

    • Replies: @rw95
    , @reiner Tor
  51. 5371 says:
    @Priss Factor

    No animal or plant has property or words, so how humans use them cannot be biological.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  52. @5371

    Don’t be a dammy.

    Words are processed through the brains, an biological organ. So, words are just as biological as bees’s way of communicating by shaking their fuzzy-buzzy butts. Anything humans do is biological since it is processed through biological organs.

    If words and property have autonomy apart from biology, can they exist without humans? No more than bird songs can exist without birds or bees hive can exist without bees or an ant colony can exist without ants.

    Words are just a biological means of communication and control and influence and deception and etc.

  53. @Cyrano

    I believe that cancer can be successfully treated by radiation, chemicals, or surgical excision. All that’s needed is a doctor to prescribe the treatment.

    • Replies: @Wally
  54. @Corvinus

    “Only by force. Are you willing to fight?”

    Hey, look! A real live agent provocateur! They really do exist.

    We will elect the right people, and you will stop receiving a paycheck.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  55. Corvinus says:
    @John Gruskos

    “Hey, look! A real live agent provocateur! They really do exist.”

    Hard righties here seem to lament about the machinations of the Jews, or the elites, or the Beltway boys, or whomever boogey is the flavor of the day, state how they are ruining things, and demand that something must be done about it. Yet, it’s only words, and rarely actions.

    “We will elect the right people, and you will stop receiving a paycheck.”

    Who are these “right” people? And regarding my paycheck, I work for myself. I’m not worried about losing my job and earning no income.

  56. rw95 says:
    @Corvinus

    “Europeans are white. All white people are equal. Don’t you pay attention to the Alt Right?”

    Ah, yes. That lovely consistency of the alt-right.

    “We reject equality and egalitarianism between races. Races are not equal.”

    “All whites are equal (even though there are very clear differences between European populations). White is white and white is right.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  57. Timothy Zak says: • Website

    “The threat has never been Islam. The threat is Takfirism. Here is how Wikipedia defines the concept of “Takfir”: In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of excommunication, one Muslim declaring another Muslim as kafir (non-believer). ”

    Wonderful, more experts on Islam. Almost as credible as the Muslims who proclaim “Peace! Peace!” The destruction of the western institutions is accepted as a premise, as is the permanence of Loyalty to the Prophet.

    Islamic war is obligatory. Those who take the initiative have authority. Those who do not join war must be killed – unless they emigrate in the process of Hijra. Once the west accepts their presence as a fait accompli, there will be nowhere else to go. There is no other option in the end – it is the goal of Islam as such. Such it has been from the time of Mohamed. It has been clearly stated then and it will always be.

    It’s by no means necessary to suppose Muslims are bad. It is merely necessary to acknowledge the reality of the nature of Islamic warfare is only violent in the minority of instances. Unlike the author of this abysmal article, defeatism is not an option within Islam. Their only option is total victory.

    • Replies: @m62man
    , @annamaria
  58. Alden says:
    @Anon

    What is the source of your statements about White Frenchwomen and blacks?

    There is none anywhere because White French women don’t associate with blacks.
    You’ve never been to France in your life so you don’t even have anecdotal evidence.

    Get your mind out of the gutter. Your obsession with the sex lives of people 5,000 miles away is just plain pornographic Bet you type these posts with one hand..

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  59. m62man says:

    How would Kadryov react if Putin wanted to settle thousands of Christians in Chechnya?

    It’s doubtful you could find a thousand Christians to go, but if they did they would have a new church to attend..

    http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/92852.htm

    • Replies: @annamaria
  60. There is everything in the written tenets of mohammedanism to prove that “moderate” mohammedans are apostates. The author proffers some absurd hope that getting rid of the concept of Takfiris will somehow produce a sane mohammedanism, but that is itself a simplistic and therefore unrealistic attempt at a solution. In fact it cannot be deleted without also deleting major portions of the koran, hadith, and sura which support it. Meanwhile there is dawa to fool the unbelievers into complacency for their more “peaceful” takeover by mohammedans.

    A non-violent mohammedanism would simply be another version of Judaism, and will therefore never happen. The only thing now keeping mohammedans in check in his examples is sheer unadulterated power of implacable non-mohammedans.

  61. Alden says:
    @utu

    Why would German security forces want to ram a truck into a Christmas market and kill and injure so many.
    I’m interested in why they did it. Or was it the Israelis? Neo Nazis?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @utu
  62. m62man says:
    @Timothy Zak

    “Islamic war is obligatory.”

    If this is true they haven’t fulfilled their obligations too well over the last 1500 years have they?
    I think the only country constantly at war throughout its existence more or less is the USA compared to which muslims are a failure.
    This is a muslim site advising muslims about jihad. Are they fooling each other?

    https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1360/is-jihad-obligatory-for-all-muslims

    • Replies: @Eric the Red
    , @Timothy Zak
  63. I agree that we shouldn’t demonize Muslims, nor should we intervene in their lands, but neither should we allow them to become a majority or even a plurality in our own countries. Polls show that the majority of Muslims in most Islamic nations favor sharia law. America, the EU, and Russia all need the same thing — a permanent ban on Islamic immigration, as well as strict laws against foreign sponsorship or subsidies to any mosque or religious schools.

  64. Wally says:
    @SteveRogers42

    Necessity is the mother of invention.

  65. Wally says:
    @Cyrano

    not mentioned:

    Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while Jews demands massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

  66. @reiner Tor

    No, communism made these countries worse off. Example: Hungary was roughly as rich (or poor) as Italy before 1939, but now it’s like more than 50% poorer, communism didn’t help.

    Hmm… But ‘now’ is nearly 30 years after the end of ‘goulash-socialism’ in Hungary. Almost 30 years of western neoliberal looting of the Hungarian economy. No wonder.

    Also, dollar-denominated ‘country wealth’ doesn’t necessarily indicate whether most people are better-off or worth-off. The Hungarian people know perfectly well that they lived better under the communist government:

    A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

    And it’s similar in Romania, where Ceausescu now has ~50% popularity, and pretty much everywhere else.

  67. 5371 says:

    [First, let’s agree with Otto von Bismark’s (sic) wise words that “politics is the art of the possible“. Those Europeans who think that they will simply expel all Muslims from Europe or somehow manage to eliminate Islam from Europe are deluded.]

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

  68. Luther, by rationalising religion, is seen as the beginning of the end of religion, irrational beliefs.
    Liberating ourselves in the Netherlands from oppressive religions in fact just got into its final stage around 1960.

    Today in the Netherlands Islam is the biggest religion.
    There still are some christian fundamentalists, but their influence is hardly anything.
    Just in discussions on euthanasia and abortion they still are a nuisance.

    How long it will take us to get rid of a new nuisance, Islam, is difficult to predict.
    Young Muslims hardly seem to go to a mosque, on the other hand, fed by western warfare and terrorism against Muslims, plus cultural conflicts, the number of radical Muslims seems to increase.

    I do think it will take at least a hundred years to get rid of another oppressive religion, more exactly, oppressive religious leaders.

    • Replies: @Kurt van Ghoye
  69. @Alden

    Did not make sept 11 make it abundantly clear that western nations need pretexts for waging wars and introducing a totalitarian society ?
    The Patriot Act was already lying ready on sept 11.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  70. Brilliant Saker. If we just follow your advice then Europe could be almost as lovely as Chechnya. Wonderful!

  71. Dear God, Saker, you become more garrulous as you get older.

  72. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Europeans are white. All white people are equal. Don’t you pay attention to the Alt Right?

    I guess there could be alt-right authors who say so, but I seriously doubt it’s a majority position among the alt-right. Everybody understands that there are significant biological differences among European ethnic groups. Why wouldn’t there be? You can even spot them by just looking at them, can you tell the difference between a Greek and a Swede?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  73. Numinous says:
    @woodNfish

    Racism is a phony Western concept that tries to make the natural human desire to be with your own kind into a bad thing.

    Defining one’s “own kind” is also a a very human thing. Humans have always found kindred spirits across racial and ethnic boundaries.

    Racism is the historical phenomenon of creation of racial hierarchies in multi-racial societies. Most societies since the dawn of civilization have been perfectly fine with (some) diversity. Racism (indeed, a Western concept, as you point out) was the outgrowth of pseudo-scientific theories about races being strictly inferior or superior to each other, and the desire of the more powerful race (white people in this case) to not be “polluted” by their so-called inferiors.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  74. Numinous says:
    @ia

    The British dominated (and in some ways, re-made) India from the 18th to the 20th centuries. How do you disentangle the damage they did from the damage the Muslim invaders did?

    • Replies: @ia
    , @Seraphim
  75. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Hungarians in the 1980s were also aware how incredibly better Austrians lived that time. I remember having been to Austria in 1988. We rented a room in a house of a pensioner couple in a village close to Salzburg, and we were astonished, as if everyone was a millionaire. The pensioner couple certainly seemed as if they had been.

    Living standards under communism are difficult to compare to living standards under capitalism. For example the air in the cities was incredibly polluted, which has mostly been cleared up. The many East German Trabant and Wartburg cars and the many polluting plants and factories contributed to that enormously. The quality of the goods was also usually bad, but some basic foodstuffs (bread, milk, etc.) were subsidized and their quantity was large and quality satisfactory (though there was basically no variety at all, for example I remember in the early 1990s wanting to eat cheese abroad, and not understanding when they asked “what kind of cheese?”, I thought all the “special” cheese types were specialties which had to be named, and that Trappist cheese was the generic “cheese”. It’s still probably the most popular cheese type due to inertia: under communism, it was the most common cheese type, with only very few other types being available at all. (I remember as a child I thought the only other two cheese types were Pálpusztai, a Hungarian cheese, and Emmental – these were the ones we could buy. There was also a third type similar to Camembert, which my father ate often, but I didn’t really consider it “real” cheese because it was so different from the other types of cheese then available, though I didn’t eat Pálpusztai at all, and it was also a soft cheese.)

    Probably if we’d have kept capitalism all along, we’d be better off now. I’m sure that the transition to capitalism was also costly and incompetently done, but could it have been done much better?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  76. @Mao Cheng Ji

    The same in the fomer DDR.
    There hardly anybody was rich, excluding Honecker, but also nobody was poor.

    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
  77. @m62man

    You are remarkably ignorant of mohammedan history over the last 1400 years. But then that is to be expected for a blame-America-first mindset. Mohammedanism started out in two small towns in Arabia, then took over all of the Mideast by force of arms. Those areas were predominantly Christian, as proven by archeology and the Bible. Much of Europe was also overrun, but decisive battles in 732, 1571, 1683 and then 700 years of Spanish resistance drove out mohammedans from Europe. Then shall we discuss the horrors mohammedans visited upon India? And what about Indonesia, Malaysia, the ‘stans, south Thailand, Mindanao, etc. etc? What this all means is that whenever mohammedans believe they are the strong horse, they will attack, again and again, either to gain new territory or to regain what they have lost. When they feel they are the weak horse they will lie low, but overall they do not ever stop Dar al Harb (better look that up, since you are also ignorant about the actual tenets of mohammedanism).

    But of course to a leftist such as yourself true history is anathema, since leftists are heavily brainwashed by revisionist history when they attend Leftist Propaganda University. Full of deceit, the leftist invariably proclaims: “Who’re you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?” Only a leftist could disingenuously claim that mohammedanism jihad hasn’t fulfilled it’s obligations, and then wrap up with the stale meme of moral equivalence.

    Good luck with all that, chuck-0.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @jilles dykstra
  78. Boris N says:

    As a person who has on purpose studied Islam and who knows about the subject a thing or two, I can reassure that nothing that either the Saudis or Wahhabis are doing contradicts Islam. On the contrary, it perfectly imitates the practices and policies conducted by Muhammad himself and by his followers during the first caliphates. You cannot rebuke them from the point of view of Islam. And if you really think, that before the establishment of the Saudi Arabia Islam was somewhat different, like “moderate”, you are either naive or ignorant. The current Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia with its harsh Sharia laws is simply an echo of the earlier policies of practically every Islamic country. What you may be perceiving now in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states as Islamic barbarism and extremism was absolutely normal legal practices just 200 years ago, in the 19th century in places like from Morocco to Kokand. The only reason Islam become moderate is due to the Western colonization which brought secularism and modernity to the Islamic world.

    So I think the only sure way to “fix Islam” is not to embrace it and encourage it but on the contrary push the secular and atheistic agenda toward Muslims. Let Muslims become non-Muslims, at least agnostics. Because if they remain Muslims they will never stop to look at the early times of Islam and try to imitate that. “Islamism” is ingrained into Islam from the beginning.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Seraphim
  79. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Nowhere in that article is there any reference to actual economic statistics, which would prove that most countries that were behind the Iron Curtain have benefited from freedom and are now better off economically and politically.

    The article is also remarkably deficient in noting that expectations in these countries are now compared against the rest of Europe, not against the Communist bloc, which would therefore be a part of the feelings expressed in polling.

    Finally, you make the same logical fallacy that all leftists make, specifically argumentum ad populum, which renders your entire line of argument moot.

    It’s remarkable to me to still find an apologist for Marxism. After the abysmal record of communism in every country it’s been tried, along with the horrific body count, anyone who still prattles about giving communism a try should be stripped of citizenship, expelled from whatever Western country in which they are living, and drop-parachuted into North Korea.

  80. Boris N says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    You may find the scenes of mosques and Orthodox churches in the same photograph beautiful but they disgust me.

    Note that for nearly 450 years, from 1552 right up to 1990s, there were never a mosque in the Kazan Kremlin, which was, by the way, actually built by Russians, only Orthodox churches. The current mosque was built in the 1990s, and this anti-historical construction has only become possible because for the 25 years Tatarstan has been run by Tatar nationalists, who are always eager and successful at rewriting history.

  81. I lived in Uzbekistan for 20 years and it was pretty clear that we and them did not mix that well even then. Were I to tell you from my friends tales as to what those nice Muslims were doing to Russians and non Muslims in general when in majority in Soviet usually engineering/ stroibat units you would lose appetite.
    There were very few Uzbeks that I knew that were Russified.
    At school there were special A classes for them and they were behind in everything compared to mixed classes. In University as I studied among them few of them excelled though there were few exceptions. I notice the pattern is there across all of Muslim countries. I have no idea what part of their bodies those people use when considering and implementing immigration of this low quality impossible to absorb human material into developed countries.
    The main issue behind all this immigration policies is of course inability of developed countries to assure mere replacement levels of birth rates. This is imho the main reason behind the crisis. The problem that elites find it easier to bring in immigrants instead of developing conditions for core population birth rates increase.
    This is also Russia problem. This is grave threat which require action on the highest level and developing of coherent policies even immigration one if necessary which for the time being to meliorate the issue before local birth rates kicks in should bring immigrants only of same race and similar cultural background.
    I have no clue who decided to turn white Canada into some kind of Monkey Zoo. When I am driving along and can barely see European faces among pedestrians.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  82. annamaria says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “Volga Tatars have an average IQ of around 100 (equivalent to Russia/Europe), and are almost as secular as the average Russian. In other words, they are the exception that proves the rule.”
    They also prefer marriages within their ethnic group.

  83. annamaria says:
    @Quartermaster

    And who are you, accommodating the silly statements again and again and exposing yourself as a Kaganist on the UNZ Review?

    FYI: “US Congress ends funding for Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion:” https://theduran.com/us-congress-ends-funding-for-ukraines-neo-nazi-azov-battalion/

  84. annamaria says:
    @German_reader

    “These conspiracy theories are simply demented.”
    You need to read a bit about Gladio (see also Ledeen) and about the CIA’ sponsorship of “moderate jihadis.” Too many roads lead to Oded Yinon plan.

  85. annamaria says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “I like Muslims just fine in Muslim countries.”
    Sure.
    The most important step to stop the flood of refugees and migrants should be a new round of Nuremberg Process and the conviction of western war criminals that made the Muslims to run/swim for their lives to other countries. Here is a suggestion: tax the war profiteers (including financial sector) to initiate a real Marshall plan in those countries that were destroyed by the western “elites” for oil, Israel, power, and money. How about making Cheney & Blair families dirt poor? That would be a great example for those who take national sovereignty lightly.

    • Agree: truthtellerAryan
    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  86. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Thank you for the link:
    “The Truth About Macron: ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6H0cjIN4gw
    This is excellent.

  87. @Corvinus

    Do you remember the old joke where the Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded by injuns? and then the LR says to Tonto, “We’re surrounded! It looks like we’re finished.” to which Tonto replies, “What do you mean WE?”.
    File it away for your future.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  88. @Alden

    I’ve been to France many times, and Britain, and Germany. Many white women do, and not just in France. “Tis thee that doesn’t get out much.

  89. annamaria says:
    @Timothy Zak

    “Islamic war is obligatory.”
    Is this an opinion of Israel-firsters? You surely have historical evidence under your sleeve to support the statement.

    • Replies: @Boris N
  90. annamaria says:
    @m62man

    “How would Kadryov react if Putin wanted to settle thousands of Christians in Chechnya?”
    Why? Please take a look at Russian geography and the data on the density of population in Russian Federation.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  91. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “…western nations need pretexts for waging wars and introducing a totalitarian society…” Unfortunately true.

  92. annamaria says:
    @Eric the Red

    “…whenever mohammedans believe they are the strong horse, they will attack, again and again…”
    Exchange the word “mohammedans” with the word “christians” and you get a picture of Christian conquests in the second millennium AD. Exchange the word “mohammedans” with the word “ziocons” and you get the history of the US in the 21st century AD.
    Does Cheney look leftist for you?

  93. annamaria says:
    @Eric the Red

    North Korea is a totalitarian regime. Whereas the socialist policies in Norway reflect rather good on democracy. – Or this is also an apologia for communism?

  94. anarchyst says:

    Islam is not just a “religion”, but is an all-encompassing foreign social and political system that governs all aspect of every moslem’s life. As such, NO Constitutional “First Amendment” protections need be afforded this foreign political system and their adherents. In fact, ALL moslems who hold American citizenship should be required to (re)affirm their loyalty to the United States.

    The only way for Islam to “reform itself” is to separate the spiritual aspect of the “religion” from the social and political part. Christianity did just that, hundreds of years ago… It is long overdue for Islam to reform itself–if it can…

    Islam is actually an arabicized version of judaism. Both the talmud and the koran have virtually identical passages in which the “supremacy” of each respective group is proclaimed. Both texts declare that non-believers are “less than human” and are to be used for the advantage of each respective cult. You can bet that, if push came to shove, jews would align with the muslims as they are of the same cloth.

    Add to that, ALL dual-citizenship should be abolished. There is no room in the United States for those who hold “dual-citizenship”. One cannot have split loyalties…split loyalties have contributed to our present situation.

    There is another “group” of dual-citizenship” types that deserve strict scrutiny. There are approximately 40 or so congresscritters who hold dual-citizenship with a “certain little country” in the middle east. In fact, many of these congresscritters are given all-expenses paid “vacations” to this “certain little country” as a “reward” for doing that country’s bidding. There are THOUSANDS of high-level federal “policy wonks” and government employees who also hold dual-citizenship with that “certain little country”. It is reasonable to question who they really work for–the USA or “that certain other country”.

    It was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of that “certain little country” in the middle east…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and deport themselves to that “certain little country” in the middle east…

  95. @German_reader

    These conspiracy theories are simply demented.

    Since we’re sticking stupid labels on things here, I’d say that to write off reasonable theories as demented is retarded.

    Look up the Lavon affair, and Operation Northwoods besides the ones mentioned by other comenters.

    Or one could read George Morgenstern’s, The Secret War for details on how the unimagineable is done successfully. It’s available free online at:

    https://mises.org/library/pearl-harbor-story-secret-war

  96. Question for the Muslim bashers:

    Cui bono?

    It’s pretty obvious to me that neither Christians nor Muslims benefit from getting stirred up over one another. I may be hallucinating, but all this crapola regarding Muslims seems to correlate with the rise of the neocons, and I find it suspicious.

    N-grams of the words, “Islam” and “Muslim” can be interesting…

    Also, it’s pretty obvious that Muslims, like Putin and North Korea, serve as diversions from the real issues. It should also be obvious that the biggest threat to the health, safety and welfare comes from the ruling classes. (That’s a hint.)

    The more that Islam and Muslims, or Iran, or Putin, or N Korea are demonized, the more we should be motivated to ask, “cui bono?”

    The more often that the epithet, “conspiracy theorist” is spewed, the more we should be motivated to ask, “cui bono?”

    • Replies: @kerdasi amaq
  97. ia says:
    @Numinous

    How do you disentangle the damage they did from the damage the Muslim invaders did?

    Ask any sane Hindu who they would prefer. Which schools, railroads, courts, buildings, roads, government, etc., they would rather have, Muslim or British?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Numinous
  98. @Sergey Krieger

    I have no idea what part of their bodies those people use when considering and implementing immigration of this low quality impossible to absorb human material into developed countries… I have no clue who decided to turn white Canada into some kind of Monkey Zoo. When I am driving along and can barely see European faces among pedestrians.

    Very interesting.

    Note that Sergey Krieger wrote this about me in Israel Shamir’s thread:

    I notice you are very much concerned with ethnic purity. I guess such people as Alexander Vasiliievich Souvorov, Pushkin, Lermontov, Bagration, Blok and many other would not make it to your list.

    While essentially repeating my racist–nazifascist-1488 arguments in anecdotal form here.

    Conclusions:

    (1) Nationalism is correct.

    (2) Even Communists know it, but are too schizophrenic to acknowledge it. 🙂

  99. @Eric the Red

    It’s remarkable to me to still find an apologist for Marxism.

    Or Leninism or Stalinism. Or Churchillism or FDRism, etc…

    I mean, people actually voted for, supported, and still apologize for the likes of Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now, Trump.

    What is it with people like that? Where do folks get their faith?

  100. @Boris N

    The only reason Islam has become fundamental is due to the Western colonization, what began around 1500.
    Richard Fletcher, ‘Moorish Spain’, Berkeley 1992
    Ibn Battúta, ‘Travels in Asia and Africa 1325 – 1354’, 1929, 1983, London
    Reuben Levy, ‘The social structure of Islam’, London, New York, 1931, 1932, 1957, 1971

    • Replies: @Boris N
  101. @Eric the Red

    I do not read that jews in N Africa and the Iberian peninsula welcomed the Muslims because their christan rulers oppressed them.
    Jewish help explains why the Muslim rule expanded so quickly.
    Shlomo Sand, ‘The Invention of the Jewish People’, London, New York, 2009, 2010 (Tel Aviv, 2008, hebrew)

  102. They need to go back. This is all we need to know. Well, plus the pressing need to rediscover faith in God.

  103. Che Guava says:
    @RodW

    I agree that the doors of non-muslim countries should be shut to them.

    I agree, They tend not to be here for too long, but it is as if they badly want a toe-hold.

    There was one man here, huge beard, pyjamas, the passengers in his car looked like Jihad Inc. His wife wore a space-suit. Saw him with his family a few times, it was sad, son dressed freely, daughter not, wife in space-suit.

    I would guess that he had a teaching job (about Islam) at the uni. nearby. Would also guess that he was as much of a fanatic as he looked.

    He is not around any more.

    For a more interesting story, I lived in Singapore for five years, finished primary school and started high school at normal (but good, they have meritocratic selection) schools there. So I like the food.

    There is no good restaurant to making it in Tokyo. So, I checked on the ‘net. There was a blog by a fat and fanatically devout Malay woman, main topic how ‘halal’ the places (few) were.

    One was run by the Malaysian embassy. She was excited by her patrol activities there, to make sure that ethnic malays did not touch glasses containing beer, for example.

    She also had an ‘Are you a good Muslim?’ quiz on her blog. I forget most of it, but one was

    How many children should you have?

    A. Two or three, to provide for them as well as you can.

    B. A soccer team, to provide many soldiers for Allah.

    There were a couple of other choices for that question, but ‘soccer team’ was the right answer for that one.

    How irresponsible is that?

    Took a friend to the restaurant, sure enough the patrollers were clearly strutting along the floor outside, but walking the length of the arcade. I would guess that was to avoid complaints to the police.

    The food was alright, not great, better than anywhere else here for that style. The place is now long closed. It was popular, I would guess the jihad patrollers had a major role in having it closed.

    I now avoid any restaurants that appear to be run by moslems, and recommend that to others, they also (here) seem to have a high rate of setting their places on fire for insurance money.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  104. @annamaria

    Cancel well fare for all non citizens no exclusion. No food and no shelter. Do not feed wild animals. Make sure that target areas where refugees are coming from aware of this. Shot those who behave violently without hesitation. No rights for them.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  105. woodNfish says:
    @Numinous

    Racism is the historical phenomenon of creation of racial hierarchies in multi-racial societies.

    If that is true, how do you explain Japanese racism ? Japan is a very homogeneous society, and they if they allow any immigration, it is very little. Smart folks those Japanese.

    Racism (indeed, a Western concept, as you point out) was the outgrowth of pseudo-scientific theories about races being strictly inferior or superior to each other, and the desire of the more powerful race (white people in this case) to not be “polluted” by their so-called inferiors.

    Again I refer you to the Japanese as an example. They think every other race is inferior to them. It is not a Western concept. What is a Western concept is defining racism as bad. As I wrote, it is simple human desire to be with one’s own kind. While there is some tolerance to small numbers of outsiders, tensions grow much larger as larger disparate groups of people are forced together. It is why we have China Towns, Italian neighborhoods like Boston’s North End, etc. There is nothing bad about groups of people wanting to be with their own kind, what is bad is government or any other entity trying to force people together when the people have no desire to merge.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  106. @Anatoly Karlin

    Anatoly

    What difference does it make what the Muslim IQ is?….They do not belong on Russian Living and Breeding Space.

    I am for the mass expulsion of all Muslims out the US…Canada….Europe…and Russia.

    I am also for the mass expulsion of all Israeli Nationals out of the US…Canada….and Russia.

  107. Corvinus says:
    @rw95

    “Ah, yes. That lovely consistency of the alt-right.”

    Races are equal before God when receiving salvation.

    Races are equal before the law regarding due process.

    Regarding these “clear differences” between European populations, the majority of white Americans are quite aware of them, but they do not hold to your antiquated notion of a “European ethnic hierarchy”.

  108. Corvinus says:
    @reiner Tor

    “Everybody understands that there are significant biological differences among European ethnic groups. Why wouldn’t there be? You can even spot them by just looking at them, can you tell the difference between a Greek and a Swede?”

    Indeed, the majority of white Americans are quite aware of them, but they do not hold to your antiquated notion of a “European ethnic hierarchy”.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  109. Corvinus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    “Do you remember the old joke where the Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded by injuns? and then the LR says to Tonto, “We’re surrounded! It looks like we’re finished.” to which Tonto replies, “What do you mean WE?”. File it away for your future.”

    You forgot the most important part of that old joke. Tonto then laughs, shoots the injuns, and tells the Lone Ranger that he wants a shot of firewater for doing his part. Put that part in your peace pipe.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  110. @Corvinus

    Your attempt to call out these shitposters and make them cash their rhetorical cheques in the physical realm has a false ring to it. All metabiological struggles, to riff on the above, have different classes of contender. You rightly pointed out, though mala fide it seems to me, the necessity of physical engagement. Resurgent Europe will have many sneakers on the ground to resist the immivasion in the years to come. Yet it will also have intellectuals working podiums and keyboards, parents reproducing genes and culture and, God willing, a decucked deus vult level priest class burning the corruption out of the European mind(s). I submit that the shitposters and memetic warriors are effective precisely insofar as they provoke the type of dishonest reflex to subvert and discredit their efforts seen above. I don’t think they made you tall enough for this ride at Hasbara school. We are right, we are growing, and we are going to take back our nations with as many sneakered shoes and keyboard-callused fingers as it takes. And once we or are heirs are demographically sovereign again, we will turn our attention to the architects and enablers.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  111. @Jonathan Revusky

    Asking as a fan of both your articles and Stefan’s show, what’s your beef with him?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  112. Agent76 says:

    July 07, 2014 57 Years Ago: U.S. and Britain Approved Use of Islamic Extremists to Topple Syrian Government

    Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country… by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/57-years-ago-u-s-and-britain-approved-use-of-islamic-extremists-to-topple-syrian-government/5390279

    Dec 9, 2015 US & Britain Planned Use of Islamic Extremists to Topple Syria ’57’ Years Ago

    BBC reports that – in 1957 – the British and American leaders approved the use of Islamic extremists and false flag attacks to topple the Syrian government: Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country… by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.

    https://youtu.be/57Qk0wEPZWE

  113. Anonymous [AKA "nar"] says:

    “Today, the Takfiris are still the instrument of the AngloZionist Empire, they are the infection which is unleashed against any country daring to reject the Empire’s dominion”

    this is the language of a neo-nazi. I’m surprised that Unz allows him on this website.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  114. @Anatoly Karlin

    Spot on commentary. I feel the Saker is off his onion sometimes.
    Also why is ethnic cleansing not an option? The Turks did it, the Pakis did it, the Indonesians(“moderate Muslims”) did it, the Hutu did it in living memory. If Europeans got their gonads back there’s no reason it couldn’t happen.
    Could one reason both Putin and Merkel are inviting millions of the Great Unwashed is to use them as cannon fodder in the next great land confrontation between the Teuton and the Slav? Risky!!

  115. @jilles dykstra

    Look up Oswald Spender’s notion of “the second religiosity”. It’s coming. Invasive Islam is the crucible that will revive the Church Militant. Those Calvinists you love to loathe are the only thing standing between your people and its doom. And as a comment on an iSteve post recently said, you are nothing without your people.

  116. @Anatoly Karlin

    Come on Anatoly. It should be clear why I am making distinctions. No contradiction on my part whatsoever. If uzbek accepts Russian culture, becomes part of it and basically behaves and thinks like Russian it is one thing. I am talking about those who do not mix. There is Russian word for this. Obryssevshii. The one who essentially becomes Russian.

    • Replies: @truthtellerAryan
  117. “You might ask me about those Wahabi crazies who have already murdered many Europeans with screams of “Allahu Akbar” on their lips? Aren’t they bona fide ISIS-types? Well, that is a complicated issue. For example, did you notice the vast majority of these so-called “Islamic” crazies had strong ties to the European security services? That some of them even had traveled to Israel? Doesn’t it seem strange to you that their attacks somehow always seem to be scheduled to coincide with important political events in Europe? Could there have been a genuine ISIS attack in Europe? Yes. But I am pretty sure that most of them were Gladio-style false flags executed by EU or US special services.”
    While The Saker is touching a raw nerve, I find it extremely troubling that some commenters still speak of conspiracy theory. Just before the first electoral round of the French presidential election, a so called terrorist event happened in France. It was clear that the powers that be were keen on bettering the chances of Marine Le Pen for the second round as Le Pen would be the safest choice against their pet candidate Mr. Macron. From 9/11 to the Charlie Hebdo to Bataclan to Nice passing through the Boston marathon bombing, there are such repetitive features that it is becoming comic, but none more than the revealing of the identity of the terrorist through the discovery of an ID near the site of the terror event.
    As for all the interesting theories about equality and assimilation, it would best to consult with those who have lived in multicultural societies for centuries such as the Balkan and the Middle East be it in the Levant or in Egypt. All those people have resigned themselves to living with tolerance but I am fairly confident that in the depth of their hearts they would wish to do away with tolerance in favour of living free of the burden.
    The multicultural factor in Europe is a recent phenomenon that was imposed by the masters of discourse be them Zionists or Elitists. The European commoner did not initiate the problem. He or she is simply trying to deal with the consequences.

    • Replies: @utu
  118. Logan says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    A really common notion.

    Lots of people have claimed I must be being paid to promote the ideas I have.

    Sadly, I’m not.

  119. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Eric the Red

    In Hungary meat consumption is substantially lower for example (though it already started to drop in the 1980s after reaching its zenith sometime in the 1970s), I think like 30-40% lower, which is enough for people to notice. The proportion of beef and I think even pork has declined, while poultry has increased: we’re now eating chicken instead of beef. But then again, it’s difficult to compare, for example some of it might be a belated effect of the “red meat is unhealthy” or “fat is unhealthy” meme, which arrived in Hungary probably in the late 1980s.

    In any event, I think the transition to a market economy was really badly managed, for example I think that pushing for free trade and quick privatization was definitely harmful. I don’t think it was easy, and probably impossible to manage it much better, though, our manufacturing base (which was small, but world-class in the early 1940s) became mostly hopelessly obsolete by the 1980s, so it was obvious we’d lose much of it. In any event, relative to most of Western Europe, we are now more backward than we used to be in the late 1930s before the war. I think communism hurt Hungary a lot, and a transition back to some sort of market economy was bound to hurt, too.

    China had it easier, they didn’t really have a command economy, because Maoism was so dysfunctional, they didn’t really suffer when they changed from Maoism to something else (anything else).

  120. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Most Hungarians are aware that a country populated by Swedes will work better than a country populated by Hungarians. For example, around 1990, when some managers of state companies were sent to Sweden to learn, one of them openly remarked that some of their solutions would prove impossible to implement, because Swedes are different (i.e. better). Just a few years ago someone (a Hungarian) casually mentioned to me in a private conversation how the Swedish healthcare system was better than the Hungarian one, and that “it’s only partly the money, in part it’s because it’s operated by Swedes – they would operate our system much better, too”.

    It doesn’t mean Hungarians are unworthy of having a country for themselves, or that Swedes are better in everything (for example, I find Hungarians better companions and friendlier; I also think no Swedish composer matches Bartók), or that our country wouldn’t be a nice place to live in (especially if we didn’t have a legacy of four decades of communism, and so many Gypsies), but obviously there are some things which Swedes excel at and where Hungarians are worse. (Not nearly as bad as, say, Syrians, just worse than Swedes.)

    You need to be stupid or blind or both to be unaware of that.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  121. Wally says:
    @ia

    Well said.

    In total, it’s difficult to see where any 3rd world country formerly ruled by Britain is better off without Britain.

    Also recall that sub-Saharan Africa never had any written languages until the Europeans arrived. Not to mention sanitation, healthcare, laws, labor saving machinery, mathematics, on & on it goes.

    • Replies: @Anon
  122. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    we’d be better off now.

    But what would the demographics of Hungary be right now had it not been a part of the Soviet bloc? Like some of the western countries filling up with third worlders? Would the culture have been deformed by having SJW-culture-mind rot imposed upon everybody through the educational system? Who knows but in the long run perhaps things worked out better for self-preservation.

  123. TG says:

    One might hope that the version of islam in Western Europe would become more moderate. But hope is not a plan.

    Modern Saudi-Arabia funded Islam is simply vile. They preach intense hatred of jews, christians, women, children, homosexuals, hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, and to act on this hatred.

    Modern Islam is not a religion (or at least, to the extent that it is a religion I don’t care). It is an aggressive political philosophy, like Stalinism or Nazism, except that unlike that latter, the trains don’t run on time.

    How many Christian churches are there is Saudi Arabia? Or Egypt, or Pakistan…? Modern Islam is NOT tolerant. The main thing is not spectacular acts of terrorism. The main thing is a thousand daily slights and attacks and insults, a wearing away until women are afraid to show their faces and everyone else leaves…

    And consider this. What is the worst possible thing that you can do to a muslim? Apparently, it is to force them to live in a majority muslim country. By their fruits shall ye know them.

    The day that muslim countries themselves become places that at least muslims do not dread living in, is the day that I speak less harshly of Islam. I’m waiting.

  124. @Anatoly Karlin

    The difference between you and me essentially that you look at some essentially Russian background, find some inorodec among his ancessors and make big deal out of it, when the guy is simply either Russian ass**whole or idiot. I am concerned about allien elements who basically allien to Russian culture, way of thinking, religion and so forth. If one has someone not Russian among his parents, grandparents but essentially behaves, thinks like Russian and share language and culture and outlooks why should I care? He is Russian by all means.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We need more people like you Mr. Saker. May Allah(swt) bless you.

    “And when that happens, they will finally realize that Islam and the Muslims who practice is were never the enemy.”

    Here are some Quranic verses supporting Mr.Saker’s statement;

    “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    “…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (5:82).

    “O you who believe! Be helpers of God — as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are God’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed” (61:14).

    • Replies: @Boris N
  126. CanSpeccy says:

    Those Europeans who think that they will simply expel all Muslims from Europe or somehow manage to eliminate Islam from Europe are deluded.

    To rebut an argument by calling those who hold it deluded reveals a lack of either evidence or logic in support of one’s position. In fact, to allow millions of Muslims into Europe is to invite the conquest of Europe by an alien civilization, an act either of political imbecility or the vilest treason.

    Islam is not a religion as people in the West understand religion. It is not some wishy-washy good-feeling society like Anglicanism or Unitarianism. It is a civilization committed to territorial expansion and occupation. Moreover, it is a civilization totally incompatible with Western ideas about democracy and the separation of powers.

    Either Western civilization will be overwhelmed and destroyed by Islam or Western nations will realize in time that either the wave of Muslim immigration must be driven back or Islam in the West must be ruthlessly suppressed.

    If that realization occurs, though the outcome may be uncertain, the leadership of necessary violence and determination will emerge. Those who insist on living by rules incompatible with Western civilization may be induced to leave by cash payments, they may be forcibly expelled, or they may be slaughtered. It will be brutal and there is no certainty that Western civilization will survive the struggle. But struggle there will be and the leaders of the struggle will not hesitate to use methods, however brutal, that are believed necessary to success.

  127. utu says:
    @Joe Levantine

    in the depth of their hearts they would wish to do away with tolerance in favour of living free of the burden.

    Tolerate – early 16th century (in the sense ‘endure (pain)’): from Latin tolerat- ‘endured,’ from the verb tolerare .

  128. Corvinus says:
    @Kurt van Ghoye

    “Your attempt to call out these shitposters and make them cash their rhetorical cheques in the physical realm has a false ring to it.”

    No. These pleasant people have been calling for the heads of Jews, the elites, and globalists. They claim there is an imminent threat, one that has come to fruition over the past two decades.
    The time is now to act.

    “All metabiological struggles, to riff on the above, have different classes of contender. You rightly pointed out, though mala fide it seems to me, the necessity of physical engagement.”

    I point out THEIR belief of this “necessity”.

    “Resurgent Europe will have many sneakers on the ground to resist the immivasion in the years to come.”

    Could have resisters with jackboots.

    “Yet it will also have intellectuals working podiums and keyboards, parents reproducing genes and culture and, God willing, a decucked deus vult level priest class burning the corruption out of the European mind(s).”

    Decucked, cucked, cuckology…all meaningless terms.

    “I submit that the shitposters and memetic warriors are effective precisely insofar as they provoke the type of dishonest reflex to subvert and discredit their efforts seen above. ”

    They do well enough to discredit themselves through their logical fallacies.

    “I don’t think they made you tall enough for this ride at Hasbara school.”

    What is it with this Jewish fetish by those on the Alt Right?

    “We are right, we are growing, and we are going to take back our nations with as many sneakered shoes and keyboard-callused fingers as it takes.”

    First, who is this “we”? Second, how do you know you are “right”? Third, so long as you have those on the Alt Right who insist that certain European whites are “better” than other European whites, i.e. the “natural order of things”, your movement will spin its wheels and go nowhere. Fourth, you do realize that the longer you wait, the more likely that the Jews, elites, and globalists will have so much power and authority that your “rebellion” will be crushed, right?

    “And once we or are heirs are demographically sovereign again, we will turn our attention to the architects and enablers.”

    Would not these “architects and enablers” merely exercising their right of freedom to associate? their exercising of free will? Moreover, what will you do, IF you win against this group, to them? Murder them and their offspring? Would not this approach be best to ensure that they never achieve the same level of power?

    More questions than answers, my friend.

  129. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    “What is the source of your statements about White Frenchwomen and blacks?”

    Go on youtube and look at Paris street life. You will lots of white women walking with Negroes.

    Womb colonization is happening on massive scale.

    Also, the State promotes it as the highest good, and white men worship Negroes and act cucky.

    And pop culture and advertising promote womb colonization of white wombs by Negroes.

  130. It is a fact of life that multicultural societies are the hardest to govern. If we take Belgium as an example, we see how hard for two ethnic groups to make a workable government despite the many similarities between the Flemish and Wallon cultures being both white and European. So one could only speculate about the prospect of mixing not so compatible religions together especially the monotheistic three religions which have little tolerance to each other with each religion claiming a monopoly on the truth.
    Such multicultural societies can coexist under the helm of a very strong and oppressive government that keeps the lid on any potential expolosive trigger. We have all seen the Pre and post Tito Yugoslavia as a case study. Other multicultural societies such as the U.S.A., Canada and Australia are all run by governments who are going beyond the Yugoslav experience to make incompatible elements of society live together by imposing that most inimical pestilence to democracy and free speech Political Correctness. Long before this latest fad, the Americans experienced the bussing crisis were white and black students were forced to mix by forcing them to get schooling at the other side of the town away from their neighbourhoods. Needless to say that this experience was an abject failure.
    So the only solution left to preserve multiculturalism with true democracy is decentralisation the Swiss way. While this solution is not full proof, it has so far worked better than any other. The problem with the European elite is that they insist on mixing multiculturalism with ever deeper centralisation and that is the core of the problem for the average European citizen who never chose multiculturalism but is having to deal with its nefarious effects.

  131. Corvinus says:
    @reiner Tor

    “Most Hungarians are aware that a country populated by Swedes will work better than a country populated by Hungarians.”

    But Swedes or Hungarians, when informed by you and/or those on the Alt Right, that there is a “European ethnic pecking order”, will assuredly be offended with such arbitrary distinctions.

    “(for example, I find Hungarians better companions and friendlier; I also think no Swedish composer matches Bartók)”

    Which, in the end, are merely personal opinions.

    “but obviously there are some things which Swedes excel at and where Hungarians are worse. (Not nearly as bad as, say, Syrians, just worse than Swedes.)”

    Certainly, one judges individuals or groups separately on specific things based on specific standards they do well or do not do well. When someone says that an entire group, as a whole, is “better” or “worse” from an ETHNIC, not a PERFORMANCE, standpoint, these groups will inevitable not buy into what you are selling.

    Under what criteria set by whom shows demonstrably that certain ethnic groups are overall “superior” than other ethnic groups? Because most white Americans will assuredly take umbrage to your virtue signaling.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  132. @jacques sheete

    or who thinks that they will benefit.

    I would suspect that professional European politicians will not oppose and will actually facilitate this religious invasion because they are terrified of a Middle Eastern boycott of the industry of their respective countries. They’re that sold out.

  133. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    It is obvious that blacks are big trouble, but whites men are too admiring of black athletes, and white women got too much junglois feverois. Also, they’ve been colonized by PC virus that says white nations for whites and white wombs for whites are evil concepts.

    Europe went from a homeland to a hostel.

    https://twitter.com/BasedMonitored/status/860908232382046209

  134. @Assistant Prof

    One thing that many people in these debates fail to notice is that many Muslims in the West leave the fold. While some first generation Muslims double down on their Muslim identity and become more Muslim, equal numbers leave the religion, marry outside, and their children are not raised Muslim.

    Fact: Second-generation and third generation Muslims are more radical than the first generation.

    I know plenty of Muslims in the West that have done so.

    The plural of anecdote is not data.

    The same is true about all tight-knit religious communities that impose a restrictive lifestyle, such as Mormons, Orthodox Jews, and others. They breed and they breed and they breed, but they lose many of those that they breed to secularism and modernity.

    Some members of tight-knit religious communities leave the community and become secular (that is, low birthrate) while other member remain in the community (that is, birth rate). So we have two important rates: the rate of abandonment of the community and the birth rate differential between secular ex-members and religious members of the community.

    If the second rate is highest than the first one, the community will increase in percentage with respect to the general population. If the first rate is highest than the second one, the community will decrease in percentage with respect to the general population.

    So what’s the reality? Well, instead of your proof by assertion (“because I say so”) and non-representative samples (“I know plenty of Muslims and ex-Mormons”), I am going to give real data.

    When David Ben Gurion founded the state of Israel, Orthodox Jews were a few hundreds. Now they are a third of the population of Israel and growing. So, clearly, the rate of abandonment is lower than the birth rate differential.

    Orthodox Jews were a minority in America. Starting from 2042, they will be the majority of Jews in USA.

    What about Amish? “The Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies at Elizabethtown College reports that the population has been doubling every 20 years because of large family sizes and a retention rate of around 90 percent.” (that is, abandonment is 10%) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/ageold-amish-experience-a_n_683967.html

    What about Mormons? See here how their population is skyrocketing.
    (The population of seculars is not skyrocketing).

    Muslims in Europe are a trickier question because you have to take into account immigration besides reproduction and retention.

    Do you want more accurate scientific studies? Buy the book “Shall the religious inherit the earth?”, written by a secular scientist. It shows that religious are increasing their number in all religions.

    For this reason, I find all notions of “Eurabia” and the looming “Muslim takeover” to be alarmism.

    Yes, this is your opinion. Too bad the facts are against your opinion.

    There will always be an annoying small minority of hardcore Muslims, but this lifestyle is so unattractive that they always remain a small minority.

    Tell this to the Amish. Living like in the 17th century. Terribly unattractive, right? Retention rate of 90% and population skyrocketing.

    Excuse me, but

    a) The things that seem unattractive to you can be attractive for other people.
    b) The Muslims and ex-Mormons you know are not all the Muslim and ex-Mormons in the world.

  135. @jilles dykstra

    There hardly anybody was rich, excluding Honecker, but also nobody was poor.

    I don’t know how rich Honecker was, probably nowhere near even a second-rate American CEO these days.

    Anyway, this is not about being rich. Money/consumption isn’t everything. There’s also comradery, community spirit, stability, etc. Most importantly: absence of the constant rat-race, endless worrying about the future.

    Try this: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  136. @Assistant Prof

    Murder, rape, assault, and constant threats against individuals and the host society, those are more than mere “annoyances.”

    Either you are Muslim and lying to us us into further complaecence, or you are fatally naive and Ill-informed about how nonMuslims get treated in Muslim societies and how 25% Muslim eventually becomes 90-100% Muslim through unrelenting force and intimidation.

    Never should have let ANY known or admitted Muslims into any of our countries.

  137. @rw95

    Compared to MANY HUNDREDS of large African neighborhoods in American cities – Detroit, south LA, Cleveland, Cincinnati, DC, Baltimore, Newark and Trenton and Camden NJ, Hartford CT, Atlanta, Memphis, Dallas, and many many many more — and Muslim Arab/African neighborhoods in Europe, how many russian cities are equally unsafe and hostile “no-go” areas?

    For every alcoholic or drug addict Russian, how many tens of millions of meth and heroin addicts here in the west are destroying their lives, harming or abandoning their families, endangering or robbing other citizens, etc.?

    It’s not so clear that Russian society is more dysfunctional than Europe and my USA, sad to say.

  138. Boris N says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I have little doubts that those authors you’ve cited wrote some interesting stuff, but how could it be denied that the modern Saudi or ISIS types would very well mix into any Muslims country, as you say, before 1500. Nothing the so-called fundamentalists are doing that contradicts Islam, or that would not be done in pre-1500 or even pre-1800 Islamic countries. You’re saying about them as of a leftie paradise full of tolerance and social progress. I see here nothing but another example of West blaming. Harmless Islam and innocent Muslims, who did nothing wrong, but then came evil Westerners and broke that idyll. Sickening.

    • Replies: @Talha
  139. @anonymous

    YOU NAILED IT. Wake up, west, and fight while you can still readily win a safe, civilized future for your offspring on your current territory.

  140. @Corvinus

    If you are in fact not a government agent, do you realistically expect someone here to boast about doing or planning to do something violent or otherwise unlawful against Muslims or sellout politicians or whoever else?

    What would be served by that?

    Could that not lead to the investigation and even arrest of the person posting such comments?

    Awaiting your response.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  141. @CanSpeccy

    ” It is a civilization committed to territorial expansion and occupation.”

    Islamic Spain shows that the assertion is false.
    Richard Fletcher, ‘Moorish Spain’, Berkeley 1992

    The Ottoman empire also was tolerant, as long as each religious group paid taxes, they had autonomy.
    Jason Goodwin, ‘Lords of the Horizons, A History of the Ottoman Empire’, New York, 1999
    Mark Mazower, ‘Thessaloniki – stad van geesten, Christenen, moslims en joden 1430 – 1950’, 2007, geen plaats van uitgave, (2004, Salonica – City of Ghosts)

    • Replies: @Anonymous White Male
  142. @annamaria

    Really wish that the Russians were having many more children – enough to thoroughly conquer, eliminate, or deport Muslim populations from Chechnya, Dagestan, and the rest of the Caucasus. In other words, it would be better for Russians and for the west if Russians had both the numbers and the will to make the Caucasus truly their own and eradicate the Islamic sickness from their midst and from their borders.

    But Russia certainly lacks the population to do that, and it seems highly unlikely that their population of ethnic Russians will grow much, let alone to make real colonization of the south possible.

    As for what Kadyrov and other Islamic sickos would do if Russia collapsed or became unable to project commanding force and offer substantial subsidies to Chechnya, I wouldn’t want to be a nonMuslim there when that happens….

    • Replies: @Boris N
  143. @Kurt van Ghoye

    Stefan Molyneux is not an honest person. He’s a shill, a disinfo agent. The purpose of what he does is to bolster synthetic narratives and synthetic events.

    • Replies: @Kurt van Ghoye
  144. Boris N says:
    @annamaria

    I know a very good book about it:
    “Understanding Jihad” by David Cook
    Mustread for everybody.

  145. @Mao Cheng Ji

    “In the past there was the Stasi, and today (German Interior Minister Wolfgang) Schäuble — or the GEZ (the fee collection center of Germany’s public broadcasting institutions) — are collecting information about us.”

    I’m reminded of plays Germany now broadcasts situated in the DDR, the DDR as a terrible totalitarian state, and a tv broadcast about a German man who succeeded in smuggling his DDR girlfriend out of the DDR, a false compartment in the back of his Mercedes.
    They had suicide pills with them in case they were caught.
    They at the time of the broadcast stll were together, yet she said she in fact did not want to leave the DDR, she had a pleasant life and job.
    The problem of course was that he did not want to live in the DDR.

    Honecker, he had a large estate with a large mansion for himself.
    In a country were the waiting time for a Trabant was over ten years, he certainly was rich.

    About the present totalitarian west, with more and more thought control, I think it is done far more refined than the DDR did.

    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
  146. Boris N says:
    @Anonymous

    Here are some Quranic verses supporting Mr.Saker’s statement

    Too bad not many Muslims, starting from Muhammad, have supported those verses and have been doing quite the opposite. Either they did not read Quran, or… they knew there’s something else in it written.

    It’s very easy to cherry-pick “peaceful” verses from the Quran to advocate and whitewash Islam, especially to ignorant kafirs, who have been brainwashed by its elites into guilt and submission; while it’s much more difficult to accept, for the Muslims in the first place, that Islam has had a lot of grim sides from its very start like dhimmi and forcible conversions.

  147. ia says:
    @Anon

    Ethiopians don’t identify themselves as Negroid and I believe have Arabic or Semitic admixture. They were never colonized by Europeans either except very briefly by the Italians in the 1930s. (Although they lost a great battle to the Brits in the I think 1890s). Christian Ethiopians have heroically fought Muslim invasions for centuries but are now being out-bred.

  148. The Saker is right about this one. It is time for us Reactionaries to achieve detente with western Muslims.

    Things we agree with Muslims on:
    1. No more wars in Islamic countries
    2. No more gay pride
    3. No more Feminism

    Even Sharia Law in Muslim areas is good for us because it strengthens local control at the expense of central governments.

    The only thing we disagree with Muslims on is immigration. I say that we just agree to disagree on that issue. Just because we don’t let any more Muslims in doesn’t mean we can’t work with the Muslims that are already here. Muslims are very practical people and will still be willing to work with us even if we shut the doors to future Islamic immigration.

  149. Timothy Zak says: • Website
    @m62man

    Yes, Muslism lie, mislead dissimulate and underplay the role conquest plays in that religion. The exemplar for the life of all Muslims for all time is Mohammed. You think Muslim Countries are overwhelmingly Islamic because of the beauty of the religion? Appallingly naive. Not only is he the paragon of virtue, the example of his life is that which is to be imitated.

    The “Koranic Concept of War” as Brigadier General Malik makes clear, is far different from what you appear to believe. Jihad does not end. It is a constant struggle. As for the question of whether it is obligatory to join in violent struggle, 4:89 makes it quite clear. Those who do not join must be shunned, killed where they are found, except in the condition that they emigrate in the cause.

    More than naifs about doctrines, history and eschatology, westerners have appallingly limited concepts about biology. This I attribute to the inexcusably widespread ignorance of darwinian principles. People live their lives as though the extent of life is delineated by the span of their own existence. They seem blissfully unaware of that the incremental effects of differential reproduction are revolutionary in the long process of time. This short sighted confidence in tactical reassurances is emblematic, in my view, of the profound myopia that is our fatal affliction.

  150. Numinous says:
    @ia

    You must not know much history of India. The British built no schools for the Indian public. They built some very exclusive ones to train (some) Indians to be clerks for the British Indian bureaucracy, to act as mediators between the white sahibs and the masses.

    All the other stuff you talk about: the British built some, but exclusively to serve the British themselves and a small section of the Indian elite; the goal was to extract revenue from India, not to provide public services. Only when the British left India and the natives ascended to government did infrastructure building start in overdrive.

    When the British encountered India, the latter produced about the quarter of the world’s GDP. After a century and a half of British rule in the early 1900s, India’s share of world GDP had fallen to 3% or so. Some rule! Enough said!

    • Replies: @ia
  151. Numinous says:
    @woodNfish

    The Japanese had a traumatic encounter with European power in the middle of the 19th century, and then (being smart people) decided to get ahead themselves by closely observing Europeans (and colonials and Americans….) and trying to emulate them as best as they could. European settlers practiced racism. Europeans colonizing other countries (India, SE Asia, N. Africa) practiced racism. Mid-19th century was also the period when scientific racism was peaking, so Japan, which wanted to ascend the food chain, thought it needed its own “ni…..rs” to kick around. So they picked miscellaneous East Asians (starting with the Koreans, then moving on to the Chinese….until Hiroshima and Nagasaki came to bite them in their rears.)

    People living in their own country tend to be a conservative bunch, and “prefer their own” (I agree with you there.) But only whites have practiced racism when they have migrated abroad, so I will treat them as unique in that respect. There is a substantial Japanese diaspora in South American countries like Peru and Brazil; I have no information to suggest that they are especially racist towards people other races there; to the contrary, they seem to blend so well that the Japanese in the motherland consider them to be aliens.

  152. Che Guava says:

    I submit that neither Muslim immigrants nor Islam itself will ever leave Europe: like it or not, they are here to stay. Why?

    Why? It is death. There is no Charles Martel with his mighty Hammer.

    Many Japanese captains ran pirate crews in closed-state days, many crewmen from now islamic places, they are only recently so.

    Indonesia, now, semi-officially persecutes Bali, SulawasI, Kalimantan, many other places.

    If there was an empire worth the breaking up, it is that of the Javanese.

    An interesting aside, the Javanese ruling class men are big fans of same-sex sex, one of our more artful (never forget,we did bad but also not, and sometimes very clever) was to set up male brothels。in java

  153. Boris N says:
    @RadicalCenter

    But Russia certainly lacks the population to do that, and it seems highly unlikely that their population of ethnic Russians will grow much, let alone to make real colonization of the south possible.

    Actually Russians do not need much manpower to implement anything. The only thing they need is willpower and the good rulers. The proportion of (Great) Russians within the current Russian Federation has been stable for the past 300 years, around 80%, and around 50% within the FSU/RE, yet Russians have managed to do a lot of things seemed impossible.

  154. @Sergey Krieger

    … find some inorodec among his ancessors and make big deal out of it

    This sounds like something that needs a citation.

    If uzbek accepts Russian culture, becomes part of it and basically behaves and thinks like Russian it is one thing.

    The percentage of Uzbeks who are both willing (why should they? they have their own millennial civilization and culture after all) and capable of Russification is maybe 5%. If not 1%.

    So insisting on their Russification while living in one country with them is equivalent (at best) to cultural genocide.

    In contrast, I merely advocate a wall along the Kazakh steppe. Or a tough visa regime at the very minimum. Much more moderate and humane, actually.

    Nonetheless, it is of course Russian nationalists like myself who are evil hitlerfascistnazi racists.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    , @A.A.
  155. @anarchyst

    You’re right that we absolutely must prohibit dual citizenship.

    Anyone who applies for a US passport, citizenship, permanent residency, voting registration, or a government job, should be required to affirmatively renounce all foreign citizenship in writing and in person, both under oath and penalty of perjury. Our government should research and investigate to get written confirmation from the home country that the immigrant has renounced their citizenship.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  156. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “If you are in fact not a government agent, do you realistically expect someone here to boast about doing or planning to do something violent or otherwise unlawful against Muslims or sellout politicians or whoever else?”

    I would expect someone to take direct action when they say there is an imminent threat to our nation from Jews, elites, and globalists.

    I would expect to hear it on the news repeated efforts, nay, daily occurrences, by these fine posters here of their willingness to sacrifice their life for the cause. Just like Anders Breivik.

    “What would be served by that?”

    Saving Western Civilization.

    “Could that not lead to the investigation and even arrest of the person posting such comments?”

    But since there are thousands of your ilk just itching to do something about the scourge of Jews, elites, and globalists, a few people here and there getting busted by the Feds is worth it. The cause is what most matters.

  157. anarchyst says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Dual citizenship was prohibited until 1968 until a naturalized United State citizen sued so that he could vote in his former country’s election. The courts ruled in his favor.
    This one act opened up the door for dual citizenship with Israel…bad move for the USA.
    Regards,

  158. ia says:
    @Numinous

    When the British encountered India, the latter produced about the quarter of the world’s GDP.

    LOL. How in hell did you come up with that?

    Nobody’s saying the British were angels. Nobody wants to be colonized. My question concerned which is the lesser of two evils.

    • Replies: @rw95
    , @Numinous
  159. @jilles dykstra

    ” ‘It is a civilization committed to territorial expansion and occupation.’

    Islamic Spain shows that the assertion is false.
    Richard Fletcher, ‘Moorish Spain’, Berkeley 1992″

    So, you are saying that they are not committed to territorial expansion and occupation based on a country they performed a territorial expansion into and then occupied? Not too bright.

    “The Ottoman empire also was tolerant, as long as each religious group paid taxes, they had autonomy.”

    Apparently, you also exist in some kind of non-linear time dimension. Was the Ottoman empire tolerant while they were invading, killing and pillaging the countries they militarily occupied? And what empire in the entire world has NOT been tolerant as long as the defeated country paid their taxes? The autonomy you think they allowed for their conquered countries only existed as long as they did what they were told. You might want to lookup the Janissaries. I’m sure even you would think their kidnapping as children did not correspond to autonomy.

  160. Jason Liu says:

    This seems to be missing the point, no?

    The problem with diversity is not extremism, or that every minority is evil. It is diversity itself. A diverse society with groups that get along, such as where I live, is still far inferior to a homogeneous one.

    You could advocate assimilation, but I doubt Europe has the will to force the kind of assimilation needed to homogenize so many immigrants. They’re the type of people who think a minority that speaks the language and eats the food is fully assimilated. Until that changes, different peoples will find something to fight about, extremism or not.

  161. @Numinous

    “People living in their own country tend to be a conservative bunch, and “prefer their own” (I agree with you there.) But only whites have practiced racism when they have migrated abroad, so I will treat them as unique in that respect. There is a substantial Japanese diaspora in South American countries like Peru and Brazil; I have no information to suggest that they are especially racist towards people other races there; to the contrary, they seem to blend so well that the Japanese in the motherland consider them to be aliens.”

    Your reasoning is one-dimensional and faulty. Are you saying the Assyrians didn’t practice racism when they “migrated abroad”? Do you not grasp the difference between military conquest and migration? The Japanese practiced what you foolishly would call “racism” when they invaded every country they occupied in WWII. Just like the British in India, or the Aztecs in Mexico, they viewed their own nation as the group they existed within and performed any actions based on how it benefited their “race”. And as far as the Japanese in South America, they did not invade. They “migrated”. They were in the minority and probably actually viewed the host population as inferior. But, the Japanese are herd animals and will cooperate for the good of the entire organism. Just like Whites today. Do you think that on those minuscule occasions that a White migrates to a non-White country they practice what you consider “racism”? You are comparing apples to oranges and coming up with fig preserves.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Numinous
  162. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I understand your sentiments. But how about making Cheney & Blair et al’ families pay for alleviating the refugee crisis. Would not it be great to make Wolfowitz (and his whole family), as well as the Obama family, work for minimum wage and pay monetary retributions for the Middle East tragedy. The “deciders” should be punished where it hurts – in their personal fortunes. That would be a good example for those who take national sovereignty lightly. The national sovereignty means the strict enforcement of both immigration laws (viva Le Pen) and international laws (no more “humanitarian” interventions that create slaughter houses on a massive scale). And it is certainly time to establish a new round of Nuremberg Process and to convict the western war criminals who made the Muslims run/swim for their lives to Europe. – The same ziocon idiots have crashed the protection of Europe from sub-Saharan migrants, which the late Gaddaffi used to provide. – The war profiteers (financial sector, mercenary army’ contractors, MIC, mega oil-corporations ) should be taxed to initiate a Marshall plan in those countries that were destroyed by western “elites” for oil, Eretz Israel, power, and money. Then the muslim population of Europe should be induced to go back to their restored native lands.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  163. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    European ethnic pecking order

    (…)

    an entire group, as a whole, is “better” or “worse” from an ETHNIC, not a PERFORMANCE, standpoint

    (…)

    certain ethnic groups are overall “superior” than other ethnic group

    I never wrote these. I personally don’t think that the Swedes are overall better than Hungarians. But if you want to build a well-functioning social democracy, it’s way easier with Swedes than with Hungarians. Yet again, they didn’t produce a single outstanding composer, except perhaps if we count Sibelius as Swedish.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  164. Talha says:

    Thanks for the great article Mr. Saker. Hopefully Russia can carve out a new path and an example being, as you have pointed out, having a unique history and relationship between the East and the West and the Christian and Muslim. There seem to be elements on both sides absolutely itching for a climactic fight, I really do hope cooler heads will prevail.

    Also, very impressed by Kadyrov’s attempts to talk sense to the extremists. This was also done by Ibn Abbas (ra) who debated the first takfiris (the Khawarij). And many of them actually left the battlefield due to his points. The rest of them were simply too die-hard, as many seem to be nowadays, and would only relent under sword and spear. Glad to hear it is still working, even if marginally, today.

    Peace.

  165. Mr. XYZ says:

    @Anatoly Karlin: You previously wrote this:

    “The percentage of Uzbeks who are both willing (why should they? they have their own millennial civilization and culture after all) and capable of Russification is maybe 5%. If not 1%.

    So insisting on their Russification while living in one country with them is equivalent (at best) to cultural genocide.”

    However, I have a question for you–by your own logic, wouldn’t policies which you yourself have advocated likewise be equivalent to cultural genocide? After all, you have previously expressed support for the idea of forcibly Russifying Ukrainians and Belarusians during the 20th century (as in, if Russia would have had a different, non-Bolshevik government).

    Thus, my question to you is this–why exactly is forcibly Russifying Ukrainians and Belarusians (as was done in the Kuban in the 1930s) acceptable while forcibly Russifying Uzbeks (and presumably other Central Asian and Caucasian peoples) is unacceptable?

    • Replies: @Boris N
  166. Sean says:

    . The West is not Switzerland–that “Alpenflage” country on permanent furlow that’s run by the rich for the rich (and which has a rigged electoral system in which the cantons and a majority of votes must be won for real power). Switzerland votes to relax immigration rules in defiance of anti-Muslim rhetoric, 12 February 2017

    Right now Putin’s Russia is the example of how “it is done”. But the West it too busy demonizing everything “Putin” and supporting anything russophobic, such as the Nazis in the Ukraine, that it simply cannot follow this example. But maybe a new generation of European politicians will.

    Putin-supporters prefer Muslims to Ukrainians, and think we should too. Of course Russia is invulnerable to third world immigration because no one in their right mind would go to Moscow if they could live in London or even Berlin. Putin’s campaign in Syria gave us hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees for the European heartland (plus Africans ect coming in through the door the Syrians’ refugees opened) . One day Europeans will find a way to thank Russians for their unreturnable gift, and that will be a day they will never forget

    • Replies: @Boris N
  167. Great article, thank you

    • Disagree: German_reader
  168. @KenH

    Obvious dissimulation.

    And Putin knows it by the way they treat the commissars.

    Perhaps the Israeli strategy of placing Muslims upclose in various liberal societies to give them a first hand taste of the Jihad agenda is the best way to allow for eventual decisive and definite action against Islam globally.

  169. @CanSpeccy

    “Islam is not a religion as people in the West understand religion. It is not some wishy-washy good-feeling society like Anglicanism or Unitarianism. It is a civilization committed to territorial expansion and occupation. Moreover, it is a civilization totally incompatible with Western ideas about democracy and the separation of powers.”

    Why is that bad?

    Post enlightenment Western norms are broken.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  170. @Anonymous White Male

    Whether or not East Asian countries practice racism, I can’t think of one that’s mindless enough to encourage unlimited immigration with no standards at all. That borders on insanity and makes little logical sense.

    No society can be a free for all; we still live in a world of limited resources and unlimited wants, I mean.

  171. But even more importantly, the kind of “Hollywood ISIS-Islam” which I portrayed in the paragraph above is not at all the kind of Islam most Muslims want to live in. In fact, many of them fled their own country precisely to avoid living in a Takfiri “Caliphate”.

    This reminds of the northern liberals who move to Florida or the California liberals who moved to Washington and Colorado. Just because they run from the hells that their kinds created, doesn’t mean they won’t seek to replicate the same hells in their new homelands. They in fact do promote the same policies because that’s all they know and they will never admit to their own failures. Likewise with “moderate” Muslim refugees. Muslim immigration is a disaster for any non-Muslim nation. Nothing good ever comes from it, except an increase in falafel stands, if that’s your sort of thing.

  172. attonn says:

    Kazan can’t be a valid sample for what is about to befall Europe. Tatarstan is a small, landlocked area completely surrounded by Russian lands, and would not survive were it to separate itself from the rest of Russia. If it had an external outlet, Tatars would be far more aggressive.
    In that case, Tatarstan would be more like Turkey (a country it holds as worthy of emulation), which managed – by hook or by crook – to completely eradicate Christianity from what was a completely Christian area. Muslims simply don’t tolerate Christians, their Holy Book commands them not to.
    Islam can’t be allowed to take root in Europe.
    It may be too late, though, and desperate measures may be needed to save Europe.
    Expulsions and conversions must be conducted – and soon.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  173. Corvinus says:
    @reiner Tor

    “I never wrote these.”

    Indeed, but your position lends itself to the positions taken by the Alt Right. So, from your perspective, is there this “European pecking order”? Is one European group is overall superior than another? Is there a list of from most to least desirable Europeans? If yes, what are the criteria involved? How does one objectively employ those standards?

    “I personally don’t think that the Swedes are overall better than Hungarians.”

    But are the English better than the Swedes? Where do the Hungarians compare with the Greeks? What about Italians to Germans?

    “But if you want to build a well-functioning social democracy, it’s way easier with Swedes than with Hungarians. Yet again, they didn’t produce a single outstanding composer, except perhaps if we count Sibelius as Swedish.”

    So, one group is “better” at forming a government, and another group is “better” at composing music. Great. The question remains…is there this “European pecking order” as touted by some on the Alt Right?

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
  174. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @The White Muslim Traditionalist

    “Islam is not a religion as people in the West understand religion. It is not some wishy-washy good-feeling society like Anglicanism or Unitarianism. It is a civilization committed to territorial expansion and occupation. Moreover, it is a civilization totally incompatible with Western ideas about democracy and the separation of powers.”

    Why is that bad?

    Why is what bad?

    Nothing bad about Muslims being Muslim in countries occupied only by Muslims.

    What’s very bad is for Muslims to settle in Western countries where their intolerance of Western civilization creates the liklihood either of the extinction of Western civilization or a civil war in which Muslims are driven from the West.

  175. Corvinus says:
    @attonn

    I”t may be too late, though, and desperate measures may be needed to save Europe.
    Expulsions and conversions must be conducted – and soon.”

    So when can we expect you to start the process?

    • Replies: @attonn
  176. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    Whether or not East Asian countries practice racism, I can’t think of one that’s mindless enough to encourage unlimited immigration with no standards at all. That borders on insanity and makes little logical sense.

    No society can be a free for all; we still live in a world of limited resources and unlimited wants, I mean.

    Correct. So why are Western nations “mindless enough” to encourage unlimited immigration with no standards at all?

    Not because governments are insane or illogical but because they are run by globalist traitors intent on the destruction of the nation state, and in particular the most powerful states, which until the recent past were the European states.

    The intention of the globo-liberal traitors is to destroy both the racial and cultural identity of the European nations. Once every country has the same homogenized mongrelized population with the same culture, i.e., the gross by-product of the commercial system that has supplanted Western civilization, everything can be run smoothly through global institutions such as the UN, the WTO, NATO, the EU, etc., all headed and run by people easily controlled by bribery or blackmail.

    So the question for the globalists now is when will Russia and China open their doors and accept the destruction of their ancient civilizations?

    • Replies: @Numinous
  177. Corvinus says:
    @CanSpeccy

    “If that realization occurs, though the outcome may be uncertain, the leadership of necessary violence and determination will emerge. Those who insist on living by rules incompatible with Western civilization may be induced to leave by cash payments, they may be forcibly expelled, or they may be slaughtered. It will be brutal and there is no certainty that Western civilization will survive the struggle.”

    Assuming white Christians will set aside their ideological differences and unite to purge Muslims and non-believers in the best interest of Western Civilization. You always have such grandiose visions but seem to be unwilling to actually carry them out.

    “Moreover, it is a civilization totally incompatible with Western ideas about democracy and the separation of powers.”

    You do realize that if your scenario plays out, those leaders in charge of the purge are engaging in actions that run counter to those dear principles you laid out. Hypocrite.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  178. @Anatoly Karlin

    Russiffied Uzbeks are so rare I have seen probably 3 in my life and my dad had one under his command.
    I am just saying. What I mean, there is no need to dig ethnic background of those who are already Russians by all other means. IMHO, all former Central Asian republics should lose their no visa status. In Soviet times we rarely could see them beyond their native places because propiska was in place… Worked like a charm.
    The main issue however is birth rates of Russian population. Unfortunately I see no chance of serious reversal under current capitalist system. To reverse the trend and move forward I suspect average of at least 3 kids per family should be sustained for decades.
    This is strategic issue of Russian national survival.

  179. @annamaria

    Seeing them hanging and drying up there is a dream, But to get there they have to be defeated the way Nazis was. Considering current situation it is not achievable at the moment. But taking small steps I mentioned is easily done if there is even modest political and population will to get rid of strangers and prevent others form coming.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  180. @anarchyst

    Islam is actually an arabicized version of judaism. Both the talmud and the koran have virtually identical passages in which the “supremacy” of each respective group is proclaimed. Both texts declare that non-believers are “less than human” and are to be used for the advantage of each respective cult. You can bet that, if push came to shove, jews would align with the muslims as they are of the same cloth.

    How interesting. The following article claims that Islam formed out of a Judaizing Christian Sect in Syria or there abouts:

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/160197/sec_id/160197

  181. MarkinPNW says:
    @anarchyst

    “The only way for Islam to “reform itself” is to separate the spiritual aspect of the “religion” from the social and political part.”

    Weren’t Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya all Islamic countries that were doing that, or beginning to do that, and what happened to them? A “secular” Islamic country or culture seems to get perceived as a “threat” to somebody, and therefore in need of being destroyed, resulting in a violent resurgence of the more primitive and brutal forms of Islamism.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  182. rw95 says:
    @ia

    Common knowledge that India was responsible for much of the world’s GDP before the middle ages.

    • Replies: @ia
  183. @Daniel Chieh

    In Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited: The History of a Controversy the author suggests that Constantine welcomed Christians because of their higher birth rate that citizens of the empire. Sounds familiar.

    I have this theory that if you have a mixed population of whites and Chinese you need a religion that incorporates elements of Buddhism and Christianity in much the same way that Christianity was a fusion of Judaism and Greek Mystery Religions, but is not Judeo-Christian.

    • Replies: @Anon
  184. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    You always have such grandiose visions but seem to be unwilling to actually carry them out.

    Your trouble Corvinus is that you read what you want to believe not what is in front of you eyes. I advocated nothing. I said what I believe will, or at least could, happen. Indeed, I spelled out alternatives. Western submission to Islam or Western expulsion of Islam from in its midst.

    You do realize that if your scenario plays out, those leaders in charge of the purge are engaging in actions that run counter to those dear principles you laid out.

    What “dear principles” that I “laid out.” None, because I laid out no principles, dear or otherwise. You should take a course in remedial reading.

    And you’d be more bearable if you’d omit the foolish insults.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  185. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    You still did not get it: “they” are “there” because the deciders made certain decisions for you and “them.” Are you ready to “get rid of strangers” with your own hands? Or you prefer a legislative process? – The election of Macron makes it impossible for defending the France sovereignty; he and his handlers are not interested in your (and “their”) distress.
    You are looking for solution in a wrong direction. Here is sample illustrating a sausage-making in western politics:
    The “Liberation” [French journal] was bought up by French Rothschilds in order to support Je Suis Charlie, a satirical magazine which serially besmirched Christianity and Islam, but published only one feeble joke about Judaism – and that particular editor was fired toute suite. If so, no surprise to see Liberation in above context [the support for Macron].” http://thesaker.is/je-suis-charlie-to-macronleaks-frances-free-press-takes-credibility-hit/
    The western civilization has been dragged into an old festering conflict between Jews and Arabs. The absolute majority of westerners are not interested in this ancient animosity, but the parasitoid needs other peoples’ resources to achieve “chosen” hegemony, whence the US/EU moral discontent. Take note that Israel is very friendly with Saudis, the propagators of wahhabism (radical islamic fundamentalism – remember 9/11?) and that the activists from the same ethnic group have designed and implemented a regime change in the formerly peaceful (though corrupt then and even more corrupt now) Ukraine. The Ukrainian “liberalization,” led by Nuland-Kagan and other neocons, has brought about, among other achievements like a civil war, an official abuse of the WWII veterans and glorification of both the former Nazi collaborators and currently active neo-Nazis. Should we start “getting rid” of the warmongers? The ziocons-infested western governments have become impotent with regard to protection of state sovereignty.
    http://theduran.com/fascist-ukrainian-regime-bans-victory-day-and-immortal-regiment/

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  186. ia says:
    @rw95

    You may be right but GDP, the concept, would be a western invention, probably 19th century.

    • Replies: @rw95
  187. pyrrhus says:

    Most delusional post ever by the highly respected Saker. Muslim demographics are already overwhelming European countries, except in the East. Most popular baby’s name in Norway and some other countries? Mohammed….

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  188. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    I must be misreading you. Where would Constantine get Christians who weren’t citizens of the empire?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  189. Of course not! This is a silly caricature of Islam

    Lebanon proves you wrong.

    • Replies: @Boris N
  190. rw95 says:
    @ia

    So?

    • Replies: @ia
    , @ia
  191. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @pyrrhus

    Mohammed is the most popular boy’s name in Britain also.

    As the chairman and head spokesman of the Islamic Cultural Centre, better known as Riga Mosque, stated:

    Islam will replace Christianity in Europe just as Christianity replaced Paganism centuries ago, and it will conquer by womb rather than the sword to make Latvia an Islamic State.

    Those who believe that the Islamic invasion of Europe will lead to a comfortable co-existence between Islam and Christianity, or rather Islam and PC – liberalism are surely destined to experience a disturbing awakening. There will most likely be either European submission to Islam and complete intolerance for the Western idea of freedom, or civil war.

  192. @Anon

    Sure, but my comment was about the elites preference for one religious group over another.

    Secondly, this was to the core of the Roman Empire, and at various times Christians were persecuted because by earlier state-sponsored religions.

  193. KenH says:

    Those who think that all Muslims and Islam are bad, bad, bad, bad.

    That’s really not the point. Islam and European civilization are fundamentally incompatible and no, I don’t mean just because of abortion and gay rights which Europeans have been propagandized into supporting. Muslims and Europeans have jarring worldviews on a wide range of issues and negotiation or ability change to suit the host population it lives among doesn’t seem to be in Islam’s DNA.

    This guarantees a future of discord and conflict between the two and a drastic lowering of the quality of life Western Europeans previously enjoyed. The specter of violence will always be ever present. And since it seems that less than 50% of Western Europeans are still sane and their leaders total sellouts (similar to America) I don’t have high hopes for their future.

    It’s not up to Saker to tell Europeans that Muslims are in Western Europe to stay. It’s up to the native Europeans to make that call.

    How would Muslims feel if millions of Christians were arrogantly pushing their way into Middle Eastern nations, building churches, forbidding Muslims from entering sections of their own cities and periodically killing the native inhabitants? I’d doubt they’d meekly tolerate it since whatever their faults they aren’t brainwashed into the cult of self hate and racial masochism like all white Westerners are.

    And what if the Muslim version of Saker lectured his fellow Muslims to suck it up and kiss the asses of the Christians because they are there to stay?

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @annamaria
  194. RodW says:
    @Numinous

    I think you’re taking too short a view of Japanese history there. Since prehistory, there have been invasions of Japan from the mainland, and counter invasions of the mainland from Japan, which have nothing to do with European imperialism. The Japanese still treasure the memory of the defeat of the Mongol invasion attempt. And I believe their 20th Century imperialism was more to do with Lebensraum, resources and establishing a perimeter against invasion than wanting coolies to kick around, but it’s on record that they took some pleasure in that too.

    Now Japan faces invasion by muslims. They’re trying to bring them in for social work and tourism, neither of which is a good idea.

    Most of the muslims coming to Japan seem to be from Indonesia and they give the lie to the oft-repeated claim that Indonesia’s muslims are ‘more’ liberal. All of their muslim habits are part of jihad, even if they don’t realize or acknowledge it. Put one muslim in the midst of normal people and immediately the normal people are being pestered to make allowances of the muslim. Normal greetings like handshakes are rejected. The normal people are required to list all the ingredients of the food and drink offered, and cool their heels while the muslim does his endless prostrations. They’re often subjected to homilies about the meaning of this crap. Immediately, the normal people are put in the position of either submitting to all of this, or bluntly rejecting it. Common courtesy often means that the muslim gets away with it and is encouraged to repeat the insidious performance with more conviction in future. The women are even worse than the men because they wear an obvious symbol of their cult wrapped around their heads, and it often presents another opportunity for a thoroughly disingenuous homily. It takes determination and a willingness to cause bad feeling to refuse to hear it. The more muslims you have around, the more you have to suffer this.

    I hope the Japanese wake up before too much harm is done.

  195. attonn says:
    @Corvinus

    “So when can we expect you to start the process?”

    Who the heck is “we”?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  196. Seraphim says:
    @Numinous

    Apples and oranges! Muslim domination of India lasted 1000 years. The British a paltry two hundred. The Muslims excelled in massacres of the Hindus and Buddhists destroying their monasteries and burning their schools and libraries, the British built railroads and schools for them. The Muslim started to destroy the ancient Indian civilization, the British made it known to the world.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Boris N
  197. Cyrano says:

    I think it was G. W. Bush who said about fighting terrorism: “We are fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here”. I wish they would use the same formula for the living arraignments regarding the Muslims: Let them live over there, so we don’t have to let them live here.

  198. Seraphim says:
    @Boris N

    The naives who gobble the mantra of ‘moderate Islam’ either never heard or deliberately ignore the fundamental tenet of:

    “Islamic revival (or Tajdid, also Sahwah) (Arabic: التجديد الإسلامي‎‎ aẗ-ẗajdid l-ʾIslāmiyyah, also Arabic: الصحوة الإسلامية‎‎ aṣ-Ṣaḥwah l-ʾIslāmiyyah, “Islamic awakening”) refers to a revival of the Islamic religion. Revivals (ẗajdid) have traditionally been a periodic occurrence throughout the Islamic world, led by a “reviver” or mujaddid who arrives at the beginning of every (Islamic) century, according to one hadith. The mujaddid will “fear none but God, and put a stop to (religious) “ignorance”, “false innovations” and “a deterioration in following of the Sunnah”.
    In Islamic history a well known tradition (hadith) states that “God will send to His community at the head of each century those who will renew its faith for it.”The term for the periodic calls to renew Muslims’ commitment to the fundamental principles of Islam and the related reconstruction of society in accord with the Qur’an and the Traditions of the Prophet” or Sunnah is tajdid, and the term for a person leading renewal is mujaddid.
    The modern movement of Islamic revival has been compared with earlier efforts of a similar nature: The “oscillat[ion] between periods of strict religious observance and others of devotional laxity” in Islamic history was striking enough for “the Arab historian, Ibn Khaldun to ponder its causes 600 years ago, and speculate that it could be “attributed … to features of ecology and social organization peculiar to the Middle East,” namely the tension between the easy living in the towns and the austere life in the desert….”

    “The call to fundamentalism, centered on the sharia: this call is as old as Islam itself and yet still new because it has never been fulfilled, It is a tendency that is forever setting the reformer, the censor, and tribunal against the corruption of the times and of sovereigns, against foreign influence, political opportunism, moral laxity, and the forgetting of sacred texts.”

    The sliding back of ‘moderately Muslim’ Turkey into Islamism is a case in point.

  199. @Seraphim

    As if the Hindu’s were innocent schoolboys at the time.

  200. @KenH

    Nothing incompatible in Islamic Spain.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Boris N
  201. @annamaria

    Saudis, the propagators of wahhabism (radical islamic fundamentalism – remember 9/11?)

    The Bush Cheney fairy tales still believed.

  202. @Numinous

    Correct
    Yukichi Fukuzawa, ‘De poorten gaan open’, 1978 Amsterdam (The Autobiography of Fukuzawa Yukichi, Tokyo 1934, 1899)

  203. Numinous says:
    @ia

    The consensus among economic historians is that India and China had roughly a quarter of the world’s GDP each in the early 18th century, China a little more, India a little less. (Of course, that does not mean GDP per capita was the highest in the world too.) That ended because of (1) the Industrial Revolution, which increased productivity in NW Europe and decimated small-scale industry which was the backbone of both India’s and China’s outputs, and (2) Europeans’ (though mainly British) dominance of the Indian Oceas and Chinese seas trade routes meant that they could impose whatever trade agreements they wanted with those countries, those agreements being rigged for British benefit.

    Also, if you scroll back up, my original question was how to disentangle the messes that the British and the Muslim invaders caused. I don’t pretend to have an answer, but since British rule came later, is better documented, and we have a roughly clear picture of what India was like pre-British and post-British, it is easier to evaluate their legacy. Of course, they made some positive contributions to India (if the Nazis had ruled Poland long enough, some benefit would have accrued to the Polish people too, but that isn’t saying much.)

    • Replies: @martin2
  204. Numinous says:
    @Anonymous White Male

    Do you think that on those minuscule occasions that a White migrates to a non-White country they practice what you consider “racism”?

    Of course they don’t today. Post-1940s liberalism is highly ingrained into the Western mindset now (though maybe it’s receding a bit, given the evidence of recent events.) But they most definitely harbored racist views when they migrated during the colonial era. Every country having a European community that wasn’t in Europe was a de facto apartheid state, with whites forming the ruling class.

    On forums like these, it’s hard to make cogent arguments when the targets keep moving. Whites of bygone eras deserve the criticism directed towards them. Not so today’s whites, who are among the most liberal people on the planet. I’m not sure why it’s so hard to separate these two for the sake of argument. Is it because of the HBD-dominated ideology prevailing here, which treats people as essentially unchanging but tribes as widely differing?

  205. @Corvinus

    Stop being obtuse. Be more perceptive.

    You are demanding a one hundred percent explanation of everything as the only valid response. You are therefore implying that reality is binary. It is not. It is analogue.

    This then leads you to argue against and miss the obvious. That humans cultures are enormously diverse and that the range in achievements and qualities is tremendous. This denial makrs you see nothing. It makes you stupid, and not just in this conversation but in life generally. I imagine your social skills are poor at best as such binary thinking is debilitating.

    And what have you missed about Europeans? I can only give you a snapshot because the short answer is: everything.

    The French are great cooks. The English show great civility. The Germans really are more efficient. The Spanish have great fun.

    The above statements are true. Sure you can pretend that I am saying that all French people are better cooks than the English or you can try to obfuscate the truth in some other pedantic and unproductive manner, but be more perceptive and you will actually be able to understand people more. You may actually like people more, just aso you may be able to dislike people.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  206. @Jonathan Revusky

    That’s a strong claim. Can you back it up?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Darin
  207. Numinous says:
    @CanSpeccy

    So why are Western nations “mindless enough” to encourage unlimited immigration with no standards at all?

    Perhaps you intended to be hyperbolic, but regardless, you are way off the mark. If you disregard illegal immigration between Mexico and the US, no Western country allows easy immigration for anyone. It’s actually very hard for someone to immigrate to the US or any of the Anglophone countries. Illegal immigration across the US southern border is generally high because of the nature of that border; historically, there was nothing limiting people crossing the border and back, and seasonal laborers did exactly that. Making immigration laws more rigid simply illegalized what until that point has been considered a benign phenomenon.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  208. Clyde says:
    @Ryan

    What I’ve read indicates that most marriages of second generation Muslims in Europe are to first generation immigrants from the home country. So if you’re a Turk living in Germany your daughter doesn’t marry a Turk born in Germany, she marries a guy from Turkey.

    #1- all part of the Islamic master plan to swamp the West via Hegira, the Muslim doctrine of conquest via immigration and high birthrates.
    Hegira – Wikipedia
    The Migration of Muhammad; The Migration; Hijrah; Hijra: Participants: Muhammad and his followers: Outcome: Renaming Yathrib as “the City (of the Prophet)” ;
    First Hijrah · Muhammad’s Hijrah · Dates of events · Aftermath

    #2 Putin’s kissy-face project with Islam is doomed because Muslim demographics are destiny. Russia’s destiny is to be conquered by the slow motion Jihad of Hijra

    #3 Follow the money. The extended Muslim family receiving the Muslim immigrant spouse is being paid off big by the extended donor family in Turkey, Pakistan and so on. Because now they can eventually get into the UK/European nations via legal chain immigration and family reunification immigration.
    UK Pakistanis have perfected this immigration racket. Denmark recently put limits on it.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  209. Clyde says:
    @Kurt van Ghoye

    Jonathan Revusky is the boy who cried false flag one thousand times.

    • Agree: RodW
  210. @Clyde

    For the last twelve years my hairdresser in the Netherlands is Turkish, that is to say, born here, from a father who came here some 40 years ago.
    The hairdresser indeed imported his bride from Turkey, but I cannot see a plot, ‘anything is better in Turkey’, he wants to go there, with wife and child.
    The father returned, retired, to Turkey, where he had a house built.

    But plans were disrupted, Dutch house prices collapsed, the hairdresser is waiting for the moment prices afford him to pay the mortgage.

    On top of that, his sister, who lives here too, of course, is more assimilated than he is, he’s a devout Muslim, she does not wear a veil, so I suppose the’s not devout.
    In any case, she wants to stay here, the father of the two left his house in Turkey, and now lives here again.

    All this does not suggest any master plan.

    • Replies: @Talha
  211. Boris N says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Thus, my question to you is this–why exactly is forcibly Russifying Ukrainians and Belarusians (as was done in the Kuban in the 1930s) acceptable while forcibly Russifying Uzbeks (and presumably other Central Asian and Caucasian peoples) is unacceptable?

    Because Russification of Ukrainians and Belorussians sounds like Germanization of Bavarians and Swabians or Italicization of Neapolitans and Sicilians.

    Ukrainians and Belorussians even do not need to learn standard Russian as they speak practically a dialect and can learn the language in a couple of years in primary school. Practically they’ve done this already during 19th-20th centuries; of course, back then peasants spoke their own local dialects, but now the absolute majority of Belorussians speak standard Russian as their first language, and at least a half of Ukrainians; the remaining know the language very well. The very same thing has happened all around Europe: in Germany, Italy, France, Britain, etc., where illiterate or semi-literate peasants spoke their dialects and now all they speak the standard language due to universal education and mass media.
    Ukrainians and Belorussians confess the same faith as Russian, they belong to the same racial group and share genetics, they share the same history, they in general share the same mentality and the mindset. Literally assimilation of Ukrainians and Belorussians is the easiest thing possible, practically they do not need to do anything.

    Compare them with Uzbek or any Muslim Central Asians. I hope I do no not need to explain how Central Asians are different from Russians and how they are simply incomparable with Ukrainians/Belorussians.

    After all, you have previously expressed support for the idea of forcibly Russifying Ukrainians and Belorussians during the 20th century (as in, if Russia would have had a different, non-Bolshevik government).

    No force needed. There are literally millions of people who were officially considered as Ukrainians by the Soviet authorities, but now they consider themselves Russian. Namely the people in Kuban, but also in many other areas. All of them have lived quite happily, none were forced or harmed.

    On the contrary, the Bolsheviks needed to employ force to convert Little and White Russian peasants into Ukrainians and Belorussian. And in the place outside of the nationalist BelSSR and UkrSSR they met a lot of opposition. When in the 1920s they tried to Ukrainize Kuban and some areas at the border with the UkrSSR, the people there simply refuse it; why, indeed, did they have to be “Ukrainized” and learn Ukrainian when they perfectly and happily could carry on with Russian?

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  212. KenH says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Nothing incompatible in Islamic Spain.

    Right, they were so compatible that the Spanish Christians fought a bloody war lasting 700 years to completely eject them from the peninsula.

  213. Boris N says:
    @Sean

    Of course Russia is invulnerable to third world immigration because no one in their right mind would go to Moscow if they could live in London or even Berlin.

    10 to 20 million Muslim immigrants from Central Asia and Transcaucasia living in Russia disagree with you. You seem to know nothing about the things you are trying to speak.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Sean
  214. Darin says:
    @Kurt van Ghoye

    Molyneux is cult leader of the Jim Jones/ David Koresh/ Heaven Gate kind. Search on the net for “defoo”. This is his special term, it means “depart from family of origin”. Molyneaux followers are supposed to renounce their families, friends and all previous life and dedicate their lives only to the “leader”, because this is the only way to true liberation. This is #1 sign of destructive cults.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  215. Noam Chomsky is excited this morning by the victory of Macron….for now the mass gang rape of the Women of Europa can continue apace at even larger and more brutal scale.

    But there will be no mass muzzie male invasion of Noam’s no-right-of-return-Jew only Israel….

    The Men of Europa…if there any left…only have one option left:MASS REVOLT against the mass gang rape of the women of Europa….and never forget who the cheerleaders for the MOHAMMADAN Gang Rape Army are…

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @geokat62
  216. Boris N says:
    @interesting

    Lebanon proves you wrong.

    A very good example that everybody forget. Though some may argue that the peace there was also destroyed by some sort of conspiracy. How convenient: it’s always a conspiracy to blame.

  217. Boris N says:
    @jilles dykstra

    When will Islamic apologists stop bringing in Islamic Spain as an argument of the peacefulness of Islam, when it was quite the opposite? Surely Christian Spaniards had had to be crazy if they opposed that paradise of tolerance. They have even driven Muslims out of the country!

    Another #RedPill:
    “The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews Under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain” by Dario Fernandez-Morera

  218. Boris N says:
    @Seraphim

    Not denying the destruction of temples and the suppression (though, the periods of intolerance and tolerance varied from sultan to sultan), the overall Muslim impact on India seems to be insignificant, as it had appeared to be predominantly Hindu by the times of the British. Islam in the Delhi sultanate and the Mughal empire was rather the religion of a small ruling elite, mostly of an alien ethnic stock (Persian and Turkic), which did not rush to convert everybody around. Or else there were no Hinduism by now. In most other conquered countries pre-Islamic religions simply have disappeared.

  219. @Numinous

    “Is it because of the HBD-dominated ideology prevailing here, which treats people as essentially unchanging but tribes as widely differing?”

    And you don’t see that both can occur at the same time? “Unchanging” and “differing” can both be true.

  220. ia says:
    @rw95

    How do you find the analytical tools and data to determine, say, the GDP of the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas 1000 AD? Cuz that’s about the same thing as determining the GDP of India or China circa 1000 AD.

  221. Ann K. says:
    @Anon

    Ah, but what does Roman Catholicism and its pope have to do with the photos in this article? Orthodoxy is not Catholicism.

  222. anarchyst says:
    @Che Guava

    “I now avoid any restaurants that appear to be run by moslems, and recommend that to others, they also (here) seem to have a high rate of setting their places on fire for insurance money”.

    No different than “jewish lightning” here in the USA. This was (and still is) a common practice.

    in the 1960s and 1970s, a prominent Detroit department store chain experienced “jewish lightning” one building at a time. The jewish owner was so crass, he had television commercials broadcast with himself holding a fireman’s hat and smiling while stating that “we would have a fire sale this week, but we didn’t have one”. . .

    World Trade Center-7 is a prime example of “jewish lightning”. . . it was “dropped” without being hit by any planes.

    A few weeks earlier, the owner, Larry Silverstein insured the buildings separately so that he could get paid for each one . . .

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @utu
  223. Sean says:
    @Boris N

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/bicycles-syrian-refugees-enter-norway-russia-destroyed Bicycles used by Syrian refugees to enter Norway from Russia to be destroyed
    Norwegian recycling firm asked to scrap bikes for not meeting safety standards as refugees turn to Arctic circle route to access Europe

    According to officials, many Syrians obtain business or study visas to enter Russia and then travel through Moscow and Murmansk to Nickel, a town of some 12,000 people named after the metal mined there.

    They then buy bicycles, take them in taxis to the frontier and pedal the short distance between the Russian and Norwegian border posts. Once in Norway, most of the refugees ditch the bikes.

    Norway says more than 3,600 asylum seekers this year – mostly Syrians – have ridden across the border at Storskog, the only crossing between the two countries

    Larsen said that, earlier this month, police asked the firm to take care of 25 to 30 containers with bikes, weighing about 50 tons all together. He said the bikes, of which he estimates 90% are new, violate Norwegian rules.

    In the land of the world’s worst bikes, Putins’s Muslim goon squad travel in style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0BuDsvXYxg

  224. ia says:
    @rw95

    I’m not even sure “India” had anything resembling money in 1000 AD. There must have been many rajputs and maybe a fluid empire or two but surely no money or any way to calculate and relate to post-industrial GDP. Rather a barter economy I’d think.

    • Replies: @Anonymous White Male
  225. @ia

    Paper money, no. But, punch marked silver ingots in circulation around the 5th century BCE and the first metallic coins minted around the 6th century BCE by the Mahajanapadas of the Gangetic plains were the earliest traces of coinage in India. While India’s many kingdoms and rulers issued coins, barter was still widely prevalent. Also, since today we have country specific currency and coinage, we forget that older civilizations had no problem accepting gold and silver coins from other parts of the world. They would possess a certain quantity of gold and silver, which would determine their intrinsic value. You could find Persian, Greek, Chinese, and Muslim coins in circulation.

  226. A.A. says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The percentage of Uzbeks who are both willing (why should they? they have their own millennial civilization and culture after all) and capable of Russification is maybe 5%. If not 1%.

    Wait, are you talking about Uzbek migrants who grew up in Uzbekistan or their future children who’ll grow up in Russia? I’m very much in favour of limiting Central Asian migration to Russia, but it seems silly to suggest that only 1 to 5% of second generation migrants will end up getting Russified. I’m not prepared to make projections about the percentage of those that will (nearly) assimilate, but it will surely be greater than 5%.

    Reminds me of a paper I’ve seen that focused on Central Asian migrants and their children in St Petersburg. Where various respondents for instance remarked about the fact their children who were growing up in Russia refused to speak the native language of their parents at home, etc. Here are a couple of quotes I’ll also translate to English.

    Интервьюер обращается к семилетней дочке респондента: “И.: а ты считаешь себя россиянкой? Ты россиянка? Респондент: Ты узбечка или русская? Дочка респондента: Русская. Интервьюер: Русская, серьезно?” (ПМА: информант №2, приехал 9 лет назад, дочка родилась в Санкт-Петербурге).

    Interviewer to the 7-year old daughter of the respondent:

    “I: Do you consider yourself a Russian national? Are you a Russian national?

    Respondent: Are you Uzbek or ethnic Russian?

    Daughter of the respondent: ethnic Russian.

    Interviewer: ethnic Russian, seriously?” (Informant №2, arrived 9 years ago, daughter was born in St Petersburg)

    «Я хочу, чтобы он общался и с местными, и со своими земляками. Чтобы и с ними, и с ними. Не хочу, чтобы у него было такое деление: наши, не наши. Но у него разделение есть. Он ещё хочет больше с русскими общаться. Он мне постоянно говорит: «Я русский, я хочу быть русским» (ПМА: информант №8 про сына 7 лет).

    I want him to socialise with both the locals and his compatriots. I don’t want him to make that distinction, ours and not ours. But he has that distinction. He wants to socialise with Russians even more. He constantly tells me: “I’m Russian, I want to be Russian” (Informant №8 about his 7 year old son).

    https://www.hse.ru/mirror/pubs/lib/data/access/ram/ticket/64/1494251994eb3483df33e0e1a46588664c1bd3ab95/117_134_AkifyevaFINAL.pdf

    Again, I’m not trying to paint a rosy picture and suggest that everything will automatically turn out great. Far from it. And obviously the first generation of migrants straight from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan come from a very different culture. But it seems strange to suggest that the next generation that will grow up in Russia and go to Russian schools will be pretty much untouched by assimilation.

  227. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Numinous

    Perhaps you intended to be hyperbolic, but regardless, you are way off the mark.

    Don’t know what this refers to but it is not anything that I said. You must have clicked the wrong button.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  228. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Darin

    Molyneaux followers are supposed to renounce their families, friends and all previous life and dedicate their lives only to the “leader”, because this is the only way to true liberation. This is #1 sign of destructive cults.

    Interesting observation. It reminds one of that strange passage in the gospel of Matthew:

    46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

    48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

  229. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Noam Chomsky is excited this morning by the victory of Macron….for now the mass gang rape of the Women of Europa can continue apace at even larger and more brutal scale.

    No doubt the women who voted for Macron share the excitement.

    Perhaps, in fact, it is the female element that is driving the destruction of the West. After all, for low status females, being a bagged auxiliary wife to a virile Muslim settler, and confined to a rather idle domestic life, may seem a much better deal than being married to some low-caste French slob and having to work everyday as a hotel chamber maid for minimum wage, or at the hospital cleaning bed-pans. And better also than that other option for the low-caste female, welfare mother with a succession of drive-by lovers.

    Perhaps the survival of the West will require reversal of the emancipation of women.

  230. Corvinus says:
    @CanSpeccy

    “Your trouble Corvinus is that you read what you want to believe not what is in front of you eyes. I advocated nothing. I said what I believe will, or at least could, happen. Indeed, I spelled out alternatives. Western submission to Islam or Western expulsion of Islam from in its midst.”

    Your position is clear–remove by force Islam from the West. You advocate a specific course of action, mindful of the fact that Europeans COULD also submit to Islam, but this decision would inevitably lead to their destruction as a culture.

    “What “dear principles” that I “laid out.” None, because I laid out no principles, dear or otherwise. You should take a course in remedial reading.

    You made the claim that Islam is incompatible to Western governmental ideals, ones you take to heart as a white European man. Then, you advocate that Western leaders must move to eject Muslims, even if they are citizens. So, if that plan would come to fruition, the people in charge who carry out that plan would contradict those principles you embrace. Hypocrite.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @CanSpeccy
    , @Sean
  231. Corvinus says:
    @attonn

    We, meaning those who people embrace your position that “expulsions and conversions must be conducted–and soon”. Do you not wish to save Western Civilization from Islamic extermination? So, again I ask, when can we expect you to start the process?

  232. Jason Liu says:
    @Numinous

    Not so today’s whites, who are among the most liberal people on the planet.

    That is exactly why they should be criticized, my Indian friend. Just because they’re not racist towards you does not mean their ideology is sound.

    Being “nice” or “tolerant” is not a substitute for actual political thinking. You shouldn’t fall for that.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Numinous
  233. Corvinus says:
    @This Is Our Home

    “You are demanding a one hundred percent explanation of everything as the only valid response.”

    The Alt Right is experiencing in-fighting, like any new movement. There are some who believe that Europeans, as whites, are “equal” as a group compared to non-Europeans. There are some who believe that some European groups are inherently “superior” compared to other European groups. There

    “This then leads you to argue against and miss the obvious. That humans cultures are enormously diverse and that the range in achievements and qualities is tremendous. This denial makrs you see nothing.”

    Dear, I haven’t denied this diversity of human cultures! I acknowledged that perhaps one European ethnic group is “better” at forming a government, and another European ethnic group is “better” at composing music. Those are separate areas or topics by which we could make reasonable comparisons. I am taking about comparing Europeans as a whole. Some on the Alt Right insist that there is a “hierarchy” when it comes to Europeans. From your perspective, is their position tenable? Why?

    “The French are great cooks. The English show great civility. The Germans really are more efficient. The Spanish have great fun.”

    Hello, anyone home? Certainly we can offer evidence to support these statements. Again, I am talking which of those groups is superior in their entirety? Who is in “second place”? Who is “last”? What is this “European pecking order”? Who has the best society? Who has the worst society?

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  234. Talha says:
    @Boris N

    Hey Boris,

    but how could it be denied that the modern Saudi or ISIS types would very well mix into any Muslims country, as you say, before 1500

    There is little to back this up – and it is easily denied. Based on multiple points:
    1) The Wahhabis revived a anthropomorphic heresy that was dead since the time of the Crusades.
    2) They took issue with the Ash’ari/Maturidi creed which was the defining belief framework for the majority of Muslims and had been for centuries:
    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2009/11/19/the-asharis-maturidis-standards-of-mainstream-sunni-beliefs/
    3) They took issue with the four traditional Sunni schools of jurisprudence and broke with consensus on multiple issues.
    4) When they arose from the Najd their actions were denounced by the top scholars from around the world for their takfiri madness and violence; not the least of whom were (possibly the greatest of the later Hanafis) Imam Ibn Abidin (ra) – the Mufti of the Levant – and the Grand Mufti of the Hejaz at the time, Imam Zayni Dahlan (ra). The only exception that I can think of was Mufti Gangohi (ra) from India, but who made his statement based on hearsay and incorrect information of what the Najdis were claiming or doing (quite understandable in the 18th century).
    5) The Ottomans sent an army to defeat them, but the army was turned back. The Egyptians sent a second army that routed the Wahhabis and scattered them. At this point they were broken and quarantined in the Najd area until they were revived with the help of the British.

    To this day, Wahhabis (despite a boatload of funding) are still marginal among the Muslim scholarship. Sure there are some that were respected, like the late Shaykh Albani (ra) who was praised for his work on hadith classification, but even he espoused a very non-political form of Wahhabism.
    “Olidort traces the sociopolitical impact of quietist ideology through a line of Salafi ideologues starting in the mid-20th century with the prominent scholar Muhammad Nasir al-Din al-Albani, and continuing to the present day. Albani and his students have applied a purist and often nonviolent interpretation of Islamic texts to the monumental events witnessed in the modern Middle East, including Arab-Israeli conflict and the ongoing war in Syria.”
    https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-politics-of-quietist-salafism/

    Now if the argument is that Daesh’s tactics would have found home in some pre-modern Muslim armies like those of Tamerlane, Tatar Khanates, etc. Sure, but they would have also been fine in the armies of the Conquistadors, Ivan the Terrible, Japanese invasion of Manchuria etc. – even the scorched earth policies that France used to pacify Algerian resistance. So this does not distinguish them historically.

    Daesh and their ilk have been denounced by top Muslim scholars all over the world:
    http://www.refutingisis.com/
    http://lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf

    Hell, even Al-Qaeda denounced them as too extreme:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/al-qaeda-leader-ayman-al-zawahiri-isis-madness-lies-extremism-islamic-state-terrorist-groups-compete-a7526271.html

    Islam never advocated a Left-liberal hippy paradise, nor did it ever advocate a Daesh-style abattoir.

    You recommended a book by Prof. David Cook. Though I have not read him, I have heard him lecture and he seems fairly judicious in his approach with a healthy amount of caution with regards to Islam and the West – being fond of traveling and speakng in the Muslim world (he even lectured in Iran). So I second your reading recommendation and also make another recommendation:
    “To some, jihad is the essence of radical Islamist ideology, a synonym for terrorism, and even proof of Islam’s innate violence. To others, jihad means a peaceful, individual, and internal spiritual striving. Bonner, however, shows that those who argue that jihad means only violence or only peace are both wrong…Jihad has regulated relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, in peace as well as in war. And while today’s ‘jihadists’ are in some ways following the ‘classical’ jihad tradition, they have in other ways completely broken with it.”
    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8280.html

    What surprises me is what you are stating after having read someone like him – I highly doubt these would be Prof. Cook’s conclusions.

    Peace.

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  235. Talha says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Hey JD,

    If someone claimed in front of a Muslim audience that the previous generation came to the US to spread Islam – they would be met with laughter. My father’s generation (“the Uncles”) had zero religious intentions to migrate. I’ve had a talk with them, their entire raison detre for standing in line and filling out forms at the embassy was for material gain. They were impressed by what they used to see on TV in Karachi – the sitcoms, dramas – my favorite show was ChiPs, six-year old boys love motorcycles. Once they got here – they realized after a decade or so – woah – what did we get ourselves into? They saw themselves completely losing their children to a non-Muslim identity. Some actually embraced that – I met some of their children at UCLA – Muslim only in name, everything else about them was anything but. A Muslim friend of mine from high school ended up knocking up some random girl. Other parents at this point started forming small local circles of Muslims to initiate mosques and projects to protect their kids’ identities. I know of a few families from the second generation that migrated back to Muslim lands – Pakistan, UAE, Saudi, etc. in order to safeguard their children’s religious identity. If I see warning signs in my kids, I’ll likely do the same.

    There is no master plan – we’re having kids, others aren’t – that’s the problem.

    Peace.

  236. @Corvinus

    Hello, anyone home? Certainly we can offer evidence to support these statements. Again, I am talking which of those groups is superior in their entirety? Who is in “second place”? Who is “last”? What is this “European pecking order”? Who has the best society? Who has the worst society?

    That’s like asking who has the best family of all of your friends. Some of my friends’ families are generally smarter, some nicer and some more organised than others but I would struggle to rank them in some sort of general order. Clearly, I am also biased in favour of my own.

    If another friend has a ranking in their head and I disagree with it then I don’t really see a problem. I don’t expect to agree anyway. That would be weird.

    The same applies to European nations, and indeed any group or entity akin to an extended family.

  237. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Your position is clear–remove by force Islam from the West. You advocate a specific course of action

    Corvinus, are you an idiot or a lying troll?

    I advocated nothing. I stated what I believe are the likely alternative outcomes of the current invasion of Europe by Islamic settlers: Western submission to Islam or Western expulsion of Islam from in its midst.

    But while you attempt to compel people to own opinions they do not hold, you endlessly evade answering any questions about your own position. For example, do you consider the Islamification of Europe a good thing?

    I raise that question again not because I expect an answer but to confirm that you are a troll not a honest participant in debate.

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  238. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    You made the claim that Islam is incompatible to Western governmental ideals, ones you take to heart as a white European man. Then, you advocate that Western leaders must move to eject Muslims, even if they are citizens.

    “Islam is incompatible to Western governmental ideals, ones you take to heart”

    I said nothing about “governmental ideals” and certainly I said nothing about taking any ideals to heart.

    “white European man?”

    There you go again, making stuff up without any basis whatever in fact. You have no idea what color I am, what nationality I am, or what sex I am.

    “Then, you advocate that Western leaders must move to eject Muslims”

    That’s a complete fabrication. If it were true you’d quote me but you can’t and therefore don’t.

    Either you have a hallucination problem, in which case I am sorry, or you’re just making stuff up, which is both stupid and offensive. Either way, why not take a break.

  239. @jilles dykstra

    About the present totalitarian west, with more and more thought control, I think it is done far more refined than the DDR did.

    I don’t think they’re doing such a great job these days, but maybe it’s just me. Western media feel just as crude and at times even more nauseating than the Soviet kind back in the day.

    What they do have is, obviously, higher volume, and virtually no competition. It’s interesting that RT, PressTV and other ‘enemy propaganda’ do not offer any alternative vision, alternative worldview. They report events ignored by western propaganda and offer a slightly, very slightly different interpretation. IOW, they accept the basic framework, all the basic assumptions imposed by their opponent, and operate within that framework. And that’s a losing strategy, imo.

    Imagine 1980s Voice of America talking seriously about Communists ideals while mentioning in passing that Honecker lives in a large house. That’s a pathetic excuse for propaganda. The good kind, the kind westerners do, it tells you that you’re in hell and paradise is just around the corner.

  240. Numinous says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I blockquoted your comment about “unlimited immigration” and “no standards”. Both of those are untrue, as I pointed out in my comment, so I suggested your earlier post was hyperbolic.

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  241. Numinous says:
    @Jason Liu

    That is exactly why they should be criticized, my Indian friend. Just because they’re not racist towards you does not mean their ideology is sound.

    Your point of view. As a liberal/libertarian myself, I’ll praise white westerners as long as they stick to liberalism.

  242. annamaria says:
    @KenH

    “How would Muslims feel if millions of Christians were arrogantly pushing their way into Middle Eastern nations, building churches, forbidding Muslims from entering sections of their own cities and periodically killing the native inhabitants?”

    You do understand that your imagined version would require a massive destruction of Christian lands by the rapacious deciders of the same stock that the US/UK ziocons are.
    In other words, there is a cause and effect. None of the promoters/implementers of the slaughter and destruction in the Middle East have been punished; rather the war profiteers and war criminals became very rich. Since the criminality had not been nicked at the very beginning of the Middle Eastern enterprise (aka “humanitarian” interventions and the phony “war on terror”), the level of destruction and the numbers of slaughtered (hundreds of thousands of children, by the way) have reached the critical mass – and voila! – the EU (non-bombed, peaceful, prosperous) has become flooded with those people that were squeezed out from their native lands by the DC/EU/Israeli political engineers, financiers, oilmen, and mercenary armies (financed by the US taxpayers).
    Just imagine that Blair the Pious and Sarkozy the Gargoyle were convicted for their crimes and that Cheney and Wolfowitz have already spent years and years in enhanced-security prisons. Such turn of event, I dare suggest, would stop the conflict in the Middle East long time ago. The prosperous Libya would continue protect Europe from sub-Saharan migrants and the tolerant Syria would stay intact.
    Again, look for the cause and effect.
    For example, imagine that Brussels initiates taxation of all wealthy people in the EU for the purpose of restoring the ruined Middle East states and to relocate the refugees to their native lands (that the EU had bombed to satisfy the desires of Israel, US, and local psychopath-politians). Such decree would do amazing things to bring clarity to a question of who exactly has been benefiting from the slaughter.

  243. @Andrei Martyanov

    Roald Sagdeev is one of the most accomplished scientists of our times. Being a Tartar muslim has little or nothing to do with what a former, divorced spouse and what she has to say. Most divorced people usually have negative things to say about one another, Otherwise they would still be married. His Tartarness was great for the duration of their marriage…huhh.
    We’re still in “Anglo-Zion” “Hollywood” mind set when it comes to criticism. Always a Nazi, Muslim, …All depending on the “tribe’s” choice of “our enemy”.

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  244. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    I am taking about comparing Europeans as a whole. Some on the Alt Right insist that there is a “hierarchy” when it comes to Europeans. From your perspective, is their position tenable? Why?

    Again, I am talking which of those groups is superior in their entirety? Who is in “second place”? Who is “last”? What is this “European pecking order”? Who has the best society? Who has the worst society?

    Vox Day the (English, Irish, Mexican, and Native American descended) blogger who has lived in Italy for several years, and who you cited as a substantial figure of the Alt Right who espouses intra European hierarchy, is actually mainly known for opposition to women;s rights , and despite his exotic ancestors is a simple white nationalist not substantially different to Richard Spencer– apart from the latter's lust for Asian women.

    The core belief of the Alt Right is “white identity” and the superiority of the white race. The ADL and SLPC agree about that. So why do you keep disingenuously inveigling unwary commenters at this site into answering the same question about hierarchies within the the white race, which logically can only mean a ranking of sub races, and them asking the same people to explain to you what they mean by subraces. It would be better for you to put those question obscure persons on other sites that actually hold those views. "Again" and "Again" and "Again", and why here of all places? I do not know of any author at Unz who who advocates even white supremacy.

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    , @Corvinus
  245. Sean says:
    @Boris N

    I was thinking in terms of why Middle Eastern and South Asians ect don’t go to Russia. But I must admit you make an excellent point, and are certainly correct that there are a lot of Muslims choosing to go to Putin’s Russia .

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/impressions-of-russia/

    The young man shook his head. “No, I can’t say I’m pro-Putin. There’s too much corruption in Russia, with too much money going to the wrong people. We should become more Western. Instead, we’re moving in the other direction.”

    Finally, I thought, a liberal critic of Putin. The young man continued. “Here it’s not too bad, but in Moscow you can see the change. They’re all over. Please, don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate anyone, but I feel uncomfortable when there are so many of them. Sometimes, I wonder whether I’m still in Russia.”An unemployed man told me: “It’s hard to find work now. Employers will hire immigrants because they work for much less and won’t complain. And there are a lot of them now, mainly from Central Asia, but also from places all over.”

    Sour grapes? Perhaps. But it’s consistent with what a Quebec building contractor had told me earlier. “I no longer bother with Russian construction projects because there’s always a Russian company that will put in an absurdly low bid. The only way he can stay within budget is by hiring illegal immigrants. Everyone knows it, but nothing is ever done to stop it.”

  246. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Numinous

    Oh, I see, you mean this:

    no Western country allows easy immigration for anyone. It’s actually very hard for someone to immigrate to the US or any of the Anglophone countries.

    which is bunk.

    Y0u should read “Broken Vows,” Tom Bowers account of the the UK’s Blair government. From that account and many other sources we know that the Blair government had effectively no control over illegal immigration. To conceal their ineptitude, the government decided to give the floods of economic migrants, so-called refugees, citizenship, since they couldn’t see how to get rid of them.

    That is why my father’s home town of Leicester is now majority non-English, and why the same is true of London, Birmingham, Luton and many other urban centers.

    Consistent with there near total lack of control over immigration, the Labour government wished to rub the noses of the right in multiculturalism. Moreover, Blair a complete moron, and liar with no ethical compass, kept saying at the time, immigration is “good for the economy.”

    What he didn’t say and surely didn’t care about, was that for every 100 immigrants there were 23 British workers displaced from employment and that the standard of living was reduced. Britain, since the millenium, has had the lowest GDP per capita growth of any G20 nation.

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  247. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Sean

    The core belief of the Alt Right is … the superiority of the white race.

    That’s a travesty. Some who might be considered Alt Right may be racial supremacists, but most would have nothing to do with racial supremacists. Nationalism is not supremacism it is anti-genocidism. That is anti-white-genocide by suppressed reproduction and mass replacement immigration.

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  248. @truthtellerAryan

    Roald Sagdeev is one of the most accomplished scientists of our times.

    Did anyone put this into doubt? First time I hear that. Read attentively my post. Being accomplished scientist or any other professional does not preclude one being a far from perfect human being. I guess Susan was merely referring to Roald’s stubbornness, which is known to be in Tatars’ character, albeit Russians are not lacking in that department either.

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  249. Anonymous [AKA "Kriong T"] says:

    Was the Saker paid to write this rubbish? He pretty much sounds as if he had been hired by the Anti Defamation League or AIPAC.
    Very sad indeed.

  250. @Eric the Red

    After the abysmal record of communism in every country it’s been tried

    Look, how can you say this, replying to my comment with “72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism” – 20 years after the transition into western-style ‘liberal democracy’ with all its joys?

    I understand the emotional reaction; after all anti-communism has been the foundation of the western creed for almost a century, but come on, we’re are not declaring statements of faith here, or at least I ain’t. It wouldn’t hurt to be a bit more open-minded.

  251. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    I suppose it wouldn’t be hypocritical for a Alt Right site to ban you. Which is why you come here instead.

  252. mcohen says:

    Rock the casbah.

  253. @Andrei Martyanov

    It’s just sad that one’s ethnic origin or his faith has to come up, simply because someone else, who is in a clash with, said negative things. We all know an enemy (ex-spouse, in this case), seldom say nice things about others. Bad behavior is in all races and religions. We don’t need to demonize people as in “Hollywood”, “MSM”, or our cuck officials that we’ve elected.
    So far, this kind of demonization has cost us $trillions, millions of innocent lives, and we’ve just re-energize it with Trump and a brand new Rothschild slave in Paris…..

  254. martin2 says:
    @Numinous

    The population of India rose from 180 million to 400 million during the period 1800 to 1950, which roughly coincides with the period of British rule. (It was fairly flat before then.)

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  255. rw95 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    ALL white nationalists are white supremacists. Nationalism is based on hate, not love. It’s time to stop saying otherwise.

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  256. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    “Vox Day…who you cited as a substantial figure of the Alt Right”

    “who espouses intra European hierarchy”

    No.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/01/muh-constitution-he-cucked-cuckingly.html

    “is actually mainly known for opposition to women;s rights”

    In reality, he is known as a game designer, former syndicated columnist, and a publisher.

    “and despite his exotic ancestors is a simple white nationalist not substantially different to Richard Spencer– apart from the latter’s lust for Asian women.”

    According to Vox Day, “the Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.”

    Day also takes a nuanced approach to the Alt Right.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/01/incoherencies-and-alt-right.html

    “The correct description of the Alt-Right is neither white nationalist nor pan-nationalist, but omni-nationalist. White nationalism is, obviously, an integral element of the Alt-Right, and it is supported by all white Alt-Rightists, but the Alt-Right also supports Hungarian nationalism, and Japanese nationalism, and even, in almost every case, Israeli nationalism. The Alt-Right does not want a pan-white nation to rule the world; it has learned from the failures of British, Spanish, French, Japanese, German, Soviet, and American imperialism.”

    “So why do you keep disingenuously inveigling unwary commenters at this site into answering the same question about hierarchies within the the white race, which logically can only mean a ranking of sub races, and them asking the same people to explain to you what they mean by subraces.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> I am asking posters whether or not they believe there is a European ethnic hierarchy as espoused by some on the Alt Right. The issue of subrace has not been broached with them, only you.

    “It would be better for you to put those question obscure persons on other sites that actually hold those views. “Again” and “Again” and “Again”, and why here of all places?

    It would be better for you to stop playing blog police, as I will ask the questions I want to ask. Are you an SJW in training?

    “I do not know of any author at Unz who who advocates even white supremacy.”

    Moving the goalposts. I had correctly stated despite your protestations that there are posters here who believe in white supremacy. I never stated nor implied that any author here at this fine site champions such a cause like Richard Spencer or David Duke, but certainly there are authors here who believe in white nationalism and race realism, with elements that non-whites are other than superior in many facets.

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  257. Corvinus says:
    @CanSpeccy

    “I advocated nothing. I stated what I believe are the likely alternative outcomes of the current invasion of Europe by Islamic settlers: Western submission to Islam or Western expulsion of Islam from in its midst.”

    Clearly, you have a preference. Decidedly, you promote that desired outcome. You’re not fooling anyone. Put it this way–if and when Europe ejects Muslims, you will be one happy camper. The question is will you remain on the sidelines or get in the game.

    “For example, do you consider the Islamification of Europe a good thing?”

    I already responded to your inquiry–it depends upon one’s perspective. You believe it is a “bad” thing. Others believe it is “good” thing. I really don’t know given Fake News and alternative facts offered by radical lefties and extremist righties. So much disinformation out there.

    What I do know is that societies engage in shifts–politically, economically, socially, religiously. It is up to you as a European white man to decide for yourself if you want to allow Islamification to continue or to stop it cold in its tracks. I’ve been told that Europeans invaded the world and invited the world, and that the chickens are coming home to roost.

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  258. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @rw95

    Nationalism is based on hate, not love. It’s time to stop saying otherwise.

    You must be a decidedly dopey brainwashed liberal, or a immigrant troll.

    You don’t have to hate anyone to love your own family do you? No, of course not. Equally, you don’t have to hate anyone or any race, to wish to see your own nation continue to exist in its traditional domain and to live in accordance with its traditional culture, rather than being replaced by aggressive settlers from elsewhere who say things like this:

    Islam will replace Christianity in Europe just as Christianity replaced Paganism centuries ago, and it will conquer by womb rather than the sword to make Latvia an Islamic State.

    and this:

    Latvians understand that in 50 years this will be an Islamic State. This is because Islamic children will be in the majority.

    ( Chairman and head spokesman of the Islamic Cultural Centre, better known as Riga Mosque).

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    , @Anonymous
  259. rw95 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Then why is it the overwhelming majority of the time white nationalism, which claims to be a movement of love for white people, devolves into “fuck the coloreds?”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  260. geokat62 says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    and never forget who the cheerleaders for the MOHAMMADAN Gang Rape Army are…

    Cheerleaders? More like architects.

  261. @Corvinus

    I have never even heard of that part of the joke. I first saw it, illustrated, in Mad magazine, surely an authority on American humour, and it lacked the “most important” (least funny) part that you describe. I wonder which version other people here are aware of?

    Rest assured my peace pipe is well packed.

  262. @Anonymous

    Which part of “Free speech” is causing you so much confusion that you are so surprised by a comment based on observable evidence?

  263. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Don’t worry, the person who says this is an egocentric marginal who thrives on trolling the public sphere with passive aggressive statements like that. I’m from there and I know people who know him – he used to be an artist with all sorts of wild ideas. He’s not to be taken seriously. There is absolutely no way that in mere 50 years Latvia (or any other Baltic state) will be Islamic – think about what he’s claiming – we will still be around in 50 years and so will our kids 99,99% of who are not Muslim. Our job is to keep it this way. Basically, a nation has to be built consisting of the Baltics, Ukraine and Poland that doesn’t allow anyone in (yes, that includes the white Western alt righters here who seem to be huge fans of Russian imperialism). This is not impossible. The local Muslims will also have white kids and they will not have full control over them as time goes by. There is danger, but it can still be contained. And, btw, it is not Islam that is the problem per se. The problem is the behavior of the white population.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  264. utu says:
    @Alden

    Why would German security forces want to ram a truck into a Christmas market and kill and injure so many. I’m interested in why they did it. Or was it the Israelis? Neo Nazis?

    How “Gladio” cells are linked to German security forces we do not know. Who is really calling the shots? I think that it does not happen on the low level of local German police. Local police always will pose a threat to the conspiracy. That’s why the events often happen during drills when you can put on ground operatives who are not local. In the case of Dec. 20, 2016 Berlin event it seems that it was the local police that screwed up the plan. That’s why the first suspect (a live suspect was taken – big no no) had to be released and a wallet had to be found after 2 days pointing to another suspect who soon turned out dead in Italy. Somebody has to clean up and cover up what gets sometimes uncovered. Why during Charlie Hebdo investigation chief of French police commits suicide? Why there were serious tensions between the local police from Nice and central police from Paris after truck attack there? Is there a liaison officer somewhere high up who coordinates it with the external “Gladio” cells? To what extent they are foreign like Mossad? Certainly Mossad have more experience in false flagging than any other security service. Can they do things on their own in a foreign country and be sure that the security services will cover it up if any of them get caught or something goes wrong? From time to time Mossad operatives get arrested in Israel friendly countries but it rarely gets covered by media. Is it because they are sacred cows, meaning that some countries have no true sovereignty when it comes to Mossad operations or there is something more to it? Like nuclear blackmail or something?

    I cannot answer why this Berlin event was carried out. Some events have a direct purpose like diverting attention. Wasn’t it the Dallas police killings (or was it some other event) that took away Hillary’s Libya or Pay-for-Play stuff out of media? I am sure somewhere there is a phone number that for a right price one can arrange a terrorist synthetic event in any place in the world on a very short notice. Some people thought that in case of Berlin an important clue was that the truck and its driver were Polish. At that time there was a mini color revolution going on in Poland (that was supported by Germany) that however eventually fizzled out after Christmas. Who knows. But some attacks are there to just create a tension that always helps the Deep State in pushing more authoritarian laws. Some attacks are there to punish the state. Like for example Breivik? Some attacks are to saw discord like for example assassination of Russia’s ambassador in Turkey? Some attacks are to destabilize like airport bombing in Turkey prior to the attempted coup?

  265. […] L’article original est paru sur Unz Review […]

  266. The problem is ISLAM, the religion itself. The theology itself is full of contradicting teachings, at one time it instructs the faithful to kill the Christians and Jews, and at other time it instructs the faithful that killing only one person is like killing all humanity. Therefore, if the Muslims will emphasize the second teachings, Islam can and should be regarded as a “religion of peace”. Unfortunately however, for the past 40 years Islam was hijacked by a small sect called Wahhabism, Salafism, Takfirism; which was sponsored by the oil rich countries as Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.

    Therefore any attempts to evaluate Islam cannot take place without eliminating the Saudi infestation of that faith. Salafism means living like our early Islam, which slaughtered an estimated 100 million Christians and others to spread all over the world. Consequently people who are pushing for Salafism are forcing all Muslims to live like barbarians in the desert in the seventh century, including killing Muslims who do not wish to regress to that cave man behaviors by labeling them Kafirs, and according to Takfirism must be killed.

  267. @German_reader

    If the leaders know enough about Islam, they can simply order that Wahhabi/Salafi/Takfiri MUST NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE WEST. It is very simple’ if a husband is dead in India for example, they buried him and his wife. Such practices cannot be accepted in the West. Therefore the leaders must educate themselves and educate the sheeple.

  268. Numinous says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I specifically excluded illegal immigration in my earlier response to you. To someone who wishes to legally immigrate to an Anglophone country, the barriers can be daunting.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  269. Numinous says:
    @martin2

    Sure, but how does that increase compare to increases of populations in other (non-British-ruled) countries during the same period?

    Much of the population increases between the 19th and 20th centuries can be attributed to the evolution of modern medicine, which would have been accessible to Indians regardless of who ruled the country.

    On the flip-side, there occurred multiple devastating famines during the course of British rule, the likes of which were not seen earlier (because natives cared more about relief measures than the British would prove to be) or since independence, when one of the express goals of Indian governments has been to prevent famines from occurring.

    • Replies: @Talha
  270. Swing says:
    @Verymuchalive

    When did south African society collapse.

  271. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    “the Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.”

    A mere ploy to get round the problem of not practicing the golden rule. Vox Day is for his particular people, and he is white nationalist and supremacist, and like many of his kidney he tries to phrase opposition to repacement immigration of white Americans (or Italians I dare say) in terms of universal values, as if he was as worried about the native Tibetans being replaced on their plateau as white Appalachians becoming a minority in their mountains.

    [B]ut certainly there are authors here who believe in white nationalism and race realism, with elements that non-whites are other than superior in many facets.

    Maybe so, but concluding that the immigrants are less (or more) intelligent than Americans does not have any real bearing on whether one supports immigration of foreigners into on’e country . Few race realists would deny that the Chinese are more intelligent than the Tibetans or even white Americans. No race realist can deny that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically more intelligent than any other whites, but whether Chinese should be allowed to come and live in the US is a different question to whather nthey are superior. Chinese? Jews can be legitimately regarded as better that white gentiles in every respect yet that has no bearing on whether mass immigration of Chinese and Jews into one’s country is mandated.

    Scientific method applied to ranking of the human groups is a side issue here . Certainly the science of iq and group differences are discussed, but that is largely because some people are demanding reparations for racism which has damaged the attainments of non whites. As Michael Levin said in his book Why Race Matters,

    “It cannot be proven beyond all doubt that intelligence is a valid construct measured by IQ, that the races differ with respect to it, that this difference explains race differences in outcome, and that this difference is due significantly to genes. But certainty on these points is not required. All that is required to rebut the compensation argument is that these propositions, taken together, offer an account of the attainment gap at least as plausible as the racism hypothesis. Claims of damage must be sustained, a burden carried by the plaintiff. Jones cannot just hobble into court, accuse Smith of breaking his leg, and expect to collect damages; he must show that the condition of his leg is due to an action of Smith’s. suspects that the growing severity of taboos since that time has made it harder to mention race differences even for purposes of repudiation. The topic of racial variation is admittedly disturbing, and in an ideal world might be passed over in silence, but accusations against whites have made such discretion impossible. The right of the accused to present his case includes the right to raise issues that distress his accuser. A plaintiff demanding damages for a broken leg cannot ask at the same time that his leg not be talked about, nor take offense when the defendant presents evidence that the injury was congenital. By claiming harm he opens the question of why his leg is game. Claiming racial harm has opened the topic of race differences.”

    The issue for authors at Unz especially the top one, Steve Sailer, has nothing to do with IQ or other indices of superiority. That is why you are missing the point. The New York Magazine summed Sailer up very well as: … “the philosophy that a nation should give overwhelming preference to the interests of its current citizens over foreigners, in the same way as a corporation prioritizes the interests of its current shareholders over everyone else. Effectuating this philosophy — putting “Americans First

    Do you see? It’s the capitalist business model rather than the scientific method that is the key to the Unz mindset. Ron Unz is of course an extremely successful businessman. Trump himself is no slouch.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  272. Talha says:
    @Numinous

    Hey Numinous,

    This is a nice table of population growth estimates for India from year zero to 1820 done by various researchers (bottom of page):
    https://books.google.com/books?id=YeoEiNLtrLsC&pg=PA236&lpg=PA236&dq=Alternative+Estimates+of+India’s

    Peace.

  273. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    “A mere ploy to get round the problem of not practicing the golden rule. Vox Day is for his particular people, and he is white nationalist and supremacist, and like many of his kidney he tries to phrase opposition to repacement immigration of white Americans (or Italians I dare say) in terms of universal values, as if he was as worried about the native Tibetans being replaced on their plateau as white Appalachians becoming a minority in their mountains.”

    Vox Day is a nationalist. You really need to start paying closer attention.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

    6. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

    “Maybe so, but concluding that the immigrants are less (or more) intelligent than Americans does not have any real bearing on whether one supports immigration of foreigners into on’e country.”

    On the contrary, if an American citizen concludes that a particular immigrant group in general has a lower IQ, they will opposed any and all entry of said group.

    “Few race realists would deny that the Chinese are more intelligent than the Tibetans or even white Americans.”

    According to an IQ test. You do realize that intelligence is more than IQ. There are other metrics involved. Furthermore, race realists would state that if non-white IQ scores were purged, American IQ scores would be on par or exceed the Chinese.

    “No race realist can deny that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically more intelligent than any other whites, but whether Chinese should be allowed to come and live in the US is a different question to whather nthey are superior.”

    Their intelligence may not be necessarily attributed to simply genetics.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence#Criticism_of_the_genetic_explanations

    “Chinese? Jews can be legitimately regarded as better that white gentiles in every respect…”

    EVERY aspect? Surely, you jest. What categories are you comparing them in? What metrics are involved?

    “The New York Magazine summed Sailer up very well as: … “the philosophy that a nation should give overwhelming preference to the interests of its current citizens over foreigners, in the same way as a corporation prioritizes the interests of its current shareholders over everyone else. Effectuating this philosophy — putting “Americans First””

    Indeed, Americans, as in different races and ethnic groups who arrived here as either colonists or immigrants, with those groups intermixing and intermingling. However, there are several questions–1) Which races and ethnic groups are most desirable moving forward? 2) Were nativists wrong in their assessment of those groups they deemed would sully the American character? 3) What happens when the interests of current citizens demand that immigration levels remain or increase?

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sean
  274. Talha says:
    @Corvinus

    What categories are you comparing them in? What metrics are involved?

    Goals against average in ice hockey…oh and also basketball MVP nominations. Ability to delay ejaculation until partner climaxes…

    EVERY aspect.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Corvinus
    , @Sean
  275. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    EVERY aspect? Surely, you jest. What categories are you comparing them in? What metrics are involved?

    One simple one; getting stuff done, Oriental superiority has been widely known since the 19 century. The British Empire imported Chinese labour to the gold mines in South Africa. There are many other examples, but lets take the Americans .

    On April 28, 1869 ten miles and fifty-six feet of track was laid in one day. The accomplishment was in response to a $10,000 wager Charles Crocker made with Thomas Durant of the Union Pacific that his workers were capable of doing what seemed impossible. A squad of eight Irish rail-handlers and a small army of 4000 workers, mostly Chinese, accomplished the feat, working between 5 a.m. and 7 p.m., with a mid-day break after laying six miles of track. In the end 25,800 ties, 3,520 rails (averaging 560 lbs. each), 55,080 spikes, 14,050 bolts, and other materials, totaling in weight 4,462,000 pounds, were laid down.
    The teamwork that went into laying ten miles plus of track in one day was tremendous. It was like a choreographer orchestrating a complex dance sequence. Everyone moved with a rhythm. The accomplishment has not been matched even in modern times. http://web.stanford.edu/group/chineserailroad/cgi-bin/wordpress/faqs/

    Even in things that were more individual like farming white inferiority has been obvious for a century, that is why there was a California Alien Land Law of 1913, which banned Japanese from purchasing land; whites could not compete with Japs and Koreans. The Chinese soldiers in Korea thrashed an army of US whites despite the Chinese not having any air support heavy weapons or motorised transport. The US did halt and push back the Chinese with an inferno of heavy weapons and bombing, but had to threaten US use of nuclear weapons to extract itself. Last but by no means least, China is gaining on and certain to overtake America as the worlds richest and therefore most powerful country. Ashkenazi Jewish intellectual superiority over whites is so obvious that none can deny it.Tooby on Gould

    “In [Steven Jay ] Goulds veiw, most evolutionary change takes place when closely related biological lineages compete, with one suviving and spreading through the others’ ranges while the others go extinct…there is not much difference between a incipient species and a ‘race’ and in Goulds world of sudden genetic revolutions there is not necessarily any difference at all… Gould does intimate that competitive ability between sibling species is often the deciding force”

    So why would Americans want the racial competittion?

    I disagree that nativists were worried about foreigners for any other reason that they were more effective that white Americans at getting stuff done.

    What happens when the interests of current citizens demand that immigration levels remain or increase?

    That is a fair point, but the majority of US people don’t seem to think it does. Some do– the Koch brother billionaires, Silicon Valley billionaires, agribusiness and the city sectors that serve the wealthy business class are all pro immigration and I think they are because they have correctly identified their interests as requiring that immigration levels remain or increase. In the same way, I think every county in the US voted for Trump because the people in them correctly identified their interests as being harmed by maintained or increased immigration.

    On the contrary, if an American citizen concludes that a particular immigrant group in general has a lower IQ, they will opposed any and all entry of said group.

    Yes but they would have opposed it if the immigrants were exactly equivalent or superior. It is the pro immigration conservatives like Jed Bush who brought up immigrant superiority, you may recall that he said Hispanics had fertility superior to that of whites. Implicit in that statement was the unstated promise that Hispanics immigrant replacement of whites would be good because they can be assumed to be equivalent to whites, and there would be more of them. Not everyone accepts that premise of immigrant equivalence in some things and superiority in others as self evidently true. Discussion of nonwhite deficiencies is,as in the case of reparations, simply a response to an issue that immigration restrictionist did not bring up. If the pro immigration side want to make what sounds like a point about the superiority of immigrants the immigration restrictionist side are entitled to challenge that assumption with evidence.

    I really don’t think that immigration is opposed for any reason other than scarcity, in much the the same way that current shareholders would oppose a massive increase in the number of share that reduced value of the shares.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Corvinus
  276. this is impossible legally, and this is impossible practically (expel where? how?).

    Impossible is a blatant lie, how many times in the past has undesired elements been expelled from the womb of nations? How exoduses have Jews not been forced onto, how nay time shave Muslim not been expelled from Europe in the past.

    The author od this article lives in a sick world where rule of law put down by people who don’t live in the nation somehow dictates how everyone should live.

    These are trouble times, democracy is failing across Europe as accusations of frauds and tampering flow freely in the face of every election, yet when the chosen one by the media wins, no one asks if there were fraud involved there.

    For every day the passes the right grows stronger, voter apathy shows that people no longer regard democracy as a working system, instead we see the emergence of groups such a the Sons of Odin in Scandinavia, ordinary peop0le who work to suppress the actions of the invaders through fear and intimidation.

    It won’t take much for people to stop turning to democracy for change if the current trends continue, and once people do take up arms, it won’t be pretty.

  277. Cyrano says:
    @Sean

    I am sorry, but you and Talha a full of it. Corvinus is right. You are wrong on so many levels, person doesn’t even know where to start. I’ll pick just one. The argument that Orientals are better at getting the things done is like saying that US imported blacks because they are better at picking cotton.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sean
  278. Talha says:
    @Cyrano

    Bro, I was joking – I thought that should have been clear from my ridiculous idea of Ashkenazi Jews being top-notch hockey goalies or basketball MVPs.

    Oy Vey!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  279. Cyrano says:
    @Talha

    My apologies. My sense of humor needs some tune-up. You are bang on.

  280. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    One certainly wishes the Baltic peoples all the best. After occupation by the the Russians and the Nazis one is amazed that they still exist at all.

    And of course, wish the people of Eastern Europe prosperity and long life in no way implies ill-will to the people of the Islamic and African nations, so much more populous and fertile than the Europeans and, to judge by recent calls for the ethnic cleansing of whites from RSA, so much more racist.

  281. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    No idea about ice hockey, but some Jews certainly make great baseball players. Sandy Koufax, anyone?

    Though yes, “every respect” is silly.

  282. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Numinous

    I specifically excluded illegal immigration in my earlier response to you. To someone who wishes to legally immigrate to an Anglophone country, the barriers can be daunting.

    Why bother attempting to enter legally. Are you some dumb white guy from Canada or Australia, or what?

    All you gotta do, or at least all you had to do under the Blairite regime was walk in and claim to be a refugee, then you’d have been granted citizenship. Don’t know what the rules are right now but probably not what they seem. Under the administration of Teresa May, who thinks Sharia law in Britain is a good thing, all and sundry are probably welcome provided they are willing to undercut the wage of a British worker. That’s the Conservative-Liberal-Labour TriPartisan consensus. They’re all fully funded members of the Treason Party.

  283. RW says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Antonly, what is your source for the IQ data on Muslim Tartars and those from Central Asia and the North Caucasus?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  284. @RW

    E.g., https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ852441

    Kyrgyzstan has one of the very lowest scores in PISA 2012.

    North Caucasus (Dagestan) – http://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-russias-iq/

    • Replies: @RW
  285. Che Guava says:
    @anarchyst

    Well said, I saw a smaller-scale version of that, obvious insurance fires at places for redevelopment.

    I hope that you are occasionally to checking comments replies, because another central European Jew, Frank Lowy, or Loewy, was Silberstein’s partner in the scam. I find it strange that he never is mentioned, he should be, he is running a major chain of malls and supermarkets in many places.

    The govt. of Australia gives him a very special role. They were handing him millions to attract the soccer World Cup, and to run that stupid sport there. He failed on both.

    Why is such an amoral pig given free leash?

    Why do they hand to him, what is in effect pocket money, when he has made so much money with his scams? It is a pure gesture of hatred for the dignity of the common people.

    Back to a smaller note, ten or so years ago, I used at timesto eat at a Bangladeshi restaurant where the food was good and fresh, but the evening was not profitable.

    A Turkish place near there was the same, just a llttle later. Insuramce fires are so obvious. I would guess that the mob were passed a token bribe to pass to the police.

    I should be a detective on these things, but I am not, but the least I can do is to boycott restaurants run by Moslems of that type.

  286. jack ryan says: • Website

    I’ll ask this author:

    What happened to the French Pied Noir minority when French Algeria was handed over to Arab Muslim majority rule?

    There were supposed to be all kinds of protections for “Minority rights” – same as there were supposed to be protections for productive White farmers when Rhodesia was handed over to Black majority rule in Zimbabwe.

    Arabs/Muslims have their own countries, their own societies – many of which were once very White, European, Western dating all the way back to the time of the classical Greek Helens in places like Palmyra Syria or ancient Troy/Constantinople which are now part of Islamic Turkey.

    It’s a fact of history that certain White European people were enslaved by Muslims – things like grabbing Serbian/Bulgarian Christian White boys to become Jannisary warrior slaves for the Sultans.

    Sure, at times we can live OK with certain Muslims – but it’s only when we have strong leaders like Vladimir Putin or Vlad the Impaler Count Dracula. When Muslims see some weak leader or worse a pandering woman leader like Angela Merkel – forget it, our girls get raped and the Muslim rapists get off.

    • Replies: @Talha
  287. Talha says:
    @jack ryan

    Hey JR,

    What happened to the French Pied Noir minority

    What did happen to them – I thought they all decided the grass was greener in France and decided to move back? Was there systematic oppression? I’m asking because I genuinely don’t know that detail? Do you have references? Also there were thousands of harkis (Algerians who were part of the colonial effort) that moved to France too.

    But I agree with your sentiment – it is absolutely imperative that Muslim countries respect religious minorities in their midst.

    many of which were once very White, European, Western dating all the way back to the time of the classical Greek Helens in places like Palmyra Syria

    Correct – how do you think the Greeks settled there exactly? Many Greeks left those places as the Byzantine Empire was being rolled up either by the Sassanids or the Arabs. Other more native people like Assyrians, Armenians, etc. and others stayed.

    It’s a fact of history that certain White European people were enslaved by Muslims

    This is true – the inverse is also true (though it is pretty obvious more slaves went East rather than West); Jews often making lots of money on the transactions as middlemen:
    “With the rise of Islam large opportunities were afforded to the Jews to supply Moslem slaves to the Christian world, and Christian slaves to that of Islam; and Ibn Khordadhbeh in the ninth century describes two routes by which Jewish slave-dealers carried such slaves from West to East and from East to West (see Commerce). According to Abraham ibn Ya’ḳub, Byzantine Jews regularly purchased Slavs at Prague to be sold as slaves….Many, indeed, of the Spanish Jews owed their wealth to the trade in Slavonian slaves brought from Andalusia (Grätz, “Gesch.” vii.).”
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13798-slave-trade

    It is also true that Europeans enslaved other Europeans to sell to the Muslims – at a time when Europe didn’t really have anything of material value to sell to the Arab/Persian world:
    “Slaves were just about the only export article of any value in the thriving Christian trade with the Islamic world. In time the region occupied by the still pagan Slavs was the major source, hence the word ‘slave’, a dubious honour in naming, in which Celtic Britons were ahead of the Slavs (in early medieval times ‘briton’ was another word for ‘slave’).”
    Introduction to Medieval Europe 300–1500

    The Church, to her credit, did try to stop it – they knew the slaves (even if non-Christian) usually ended up in Muslim imperial armies and they would being facing off with them on the battlefield – but many Europeans simply thought the money was too good to pass up.

    Sure, at times we can live OK with certain Muslims – but it’s only when we have strong leaders like Vladimir Putin

    Good – so that’s the way forward. Elect strong leaders that won’t put up with crap from immigrant populations. Another solution is to make sure immigrants do not get full political enfranchisement – ie. they are only able to vote in local elections or not at all. Don’t put up with idiot Muslims that have rallies about how they are going to implement vigilante Shariah in Western streets – break them up they way those kinds of rallies by non-Muslims would be broken up in Muslim lands.

    our girls get raped and the Muslim rapists get off

    Punish severely…rinse…repeat.

    Peace.

  288. utu says:
    @anarchyst

    Two Jewish businessmen were discussing insurance. “You need fire insurance, burglary insurance and flood insurance.” “The fire and theft and burglary I can understand,” said the other, “but the flood insurance? How do you start a flood?”

  289. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    “One simple one; getting stuff done, Oriental superiority has been widely known since the 19 century…

    That’s your metric, getting stuff done?

    “The British Empire imported Chinese labour to the gold mines in South Africa.”

    It would seem to me that if the British found the gold first and wanted another group to dig it up, then the British were superior in locating something valuable.

    “Even in things that were more individual like farming white inferiority has been obvious for a century, that is why there was a California Alien Land Law of 1913, which banned Japanese from purchasing land; whites could not compete with Japs and Koreans.”

    If it was so obvious of white “farming inferiority”, then who is responsible in 1850s for making wheat production expand exponentially?

    “The Chinese soldiers in Korea thrashed an army of US whites despite the Chinese not having any air support heavy weapons or motorised transport.”

    Cite which battle, with specific evidence that proves your assertion, or retract.

    “The US did halt and push back the Chinese with an inferno of heavy weapons and bombing, but had to threaten US use of nuclear weapons to extract itself.”

    Speaking of nuclear weapons, who developed them first, the United States or China?

    “I disagree that nativists were worried about foreigners for any other reason that they were more effective that white Americans at getting stuff done.”

    You stated in EVERY case. I just listed examples that counters your claim. And then you double down on this metric of “getting stuff done”. LOL.

    “I really don’t think that immigration is opposed for any reason other than scarcity…”

    The nativists opposed immigration because of job competition, because of the “strange” customs foreigners would bring in, and because of a superiority complex. THRE reasons.

    • Replies: @Sean
  290. Moi says:

    Wow! Wasn’t expecting to see so many experts on Islam/Muslims posting here.

  291. Sean says:
    @Cyrano

    You speak of slavery in the South, where sweltering swampy malarial land was the best land for growing cotton; Yes, on reflection the idea that equatorial west Africans would be imported because they were better cotton pickers is truly ridiculous, what with their sickle cell anemia and all.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  292. @rw95

    Because you live in a fantasy world of your own making, where you know better than we do what we actually think and feel?

    My priority is not and never has been to harm any other race or group of people. (Would be hard to do, in fact, as I am white and my wife is non-white.) I love my own nation and my own family more than other nations and families, and that is right and natural.

    Nothing about hating others who look, think, speak, eat, sing, live, love, whatever differently.

    Now if their “different thinking” or “different living” includes the killing, torture, subjugation, or intimidation of me and my family and countrymen, then I support any and all measures to fight back and keep them out and away. Worshippers of the pedophile/warrior-“prophet”, shame be upon him, I’m talking to you.

    I don’t hate people because they have a different skin color. The “hate” that you are referring to, with regard to African-“Americans” at least, is “hatred” of being always menaced, threatened, mocked, followed, aggressively panhandled, robbed, etc., by the same damn people from the same damn group all the time. Being taxed to pay for the entire life of people who kill us when they can, take from us when they can, “take whatever is not bolted down” (as my dear late Dad used to say), rape our women, target us for verbal and when possible physical abuse, discriminate against us and children in hiring and college admissions. Not being able to live and walk where we want, because the same damn group of people is there to threaten our safety, our lives, and any semblance of quiet or order or cleanliness.

    That may be too complicated a distinction for you, I realize.

    By the way, tell us which majority-black neighborhood you live in.

    • Replies: @rw95
  293. @Corvinus

    You “really don’t know” whether an Islamic-dominated Europe would be good or bad? Sure.

  294. Cyrano says:
    @Sean

    You are absolutely right man. The key determining factor why the Africans got the job of cotton pickers in the American south (even though they never sent their resumes applying for it) was because of their genetic advantages, not because of some trivial matter – like they were never supposed to be paid for it.

    The plantation owners simply contacted a leading HR recruitment firm at the time: SlaveTradeInc. to find the most suitable employees for the physically demanding job, and the Africans got it after a research confirmed that they are the best suited candidates for the swampy conditions. Salary was never a factor why they were chosen.

    • Replies: @Sean
  295. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    It would seem to me that if the British found the gold first and wanted another group to dig it up, then the British were superior in locating something valuable.

    I think the Boers found the gold, and the british went to war to get the gold and had a lot of trouble beating the Boers, until Lord Kitchener unleashed 20,00 armed African auxiliaries who, ahem, imposed themselves on the Boer womenfolk in isolated farms on the Veldt. I would imagine that one African could do the work of several Chinese man in those specialised exertions, in much the same way that blacks are begining to predominate as male performers in the porn industry. But we we speaking of which people can be judged the best and why, and I think that the astounding success of countries like Japan Korea and China in war and peace during the last century or so leaves little room for doubt that they are more productive in any capacity useful for a modern society.

    Cite which battle, with specific evidence that proves your assertion, or retract.

    The night of Nov. 25, an eerie bugle call sliced through the frigid night air along the Ch’ongch’on River. Lacking radios and other communication equipment, the CCF used bugle calls to relay orders in battle. It also proved to be an excellent intimidation tactic, Kenny pointed out, for Soldiers knew the sound was a harbinger of death.

    In fact, agreed Donnelly, the Chinese were aware of their own limitations – poor logistics; a lack of supplies, including food and ammunition; very few vehicles and no airpower – and compensated for them. They attacked at night, for example, to counteract American air superiority, and infiltrated the gaps between units instead of confronting the Allies head on. They were good at close combat, often rendering American artillery useless. http://soldiers.dodlive.mil/tag/the-great-bugout/

    I don’t think Korea was victory for the US. Iwo Jima, and the whole Vietnam showed oriental soldiers and rice farming peasant guerrillas were more than a match for US , except for those who hold that the US actually won in Nam.

    Speaking of nuclear weapons, who developed them first, the United States or China?

    China had no nukes when it attacked the US forces in Korea, which showed their subtle understanding of the limits of US power to use them. Perhaps you actually have a house full of made in America stuff, but most things are made in China now. They are gaining on the US and with their economies of scale (Chinese had to do prodigious cooperative things with agriculture like the massive embankments of the Yellow river to build their population). China is going to pull ahead of the US in productive capacity, unless it is stopped.

    “I disagree that nativists were worried about foreigners for any other reason that they were more effective that white Americans at getting stuff done.”

    That was incoherent I admit. I think the ordinary working man’s simple desire to get paid a good wage is the main historical reason why the lower orders of society oppose immigration, not this race and subrace stuff. The corollary is big capitalists ought to be all in favour of immigration,and they are.

    The nativists opposed immigration because of job competition, because of the “strange” customs foreigners would bring in, and because of a superiority complex. THREE reasons.s

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/05/07/nyt-mag-silicon-valley-has-been-transformed-into-the-center-of-anti-trump-resistance/

    The description of Silicon Valley as the “center of anti-Trump resistance” is unsurprising, Google employees and executives previously held rallies at Google offices across the United States in protest of President Trump’s temporary travel halt from nations associated with terrorism. […]
    Google CEO Sunar Pichai spoke to the crowd about the difficulties that the company faces when attempting to deal with visa complications that many of their foreign employees encountered. “Every step, I felt the support of 65,000 people behind me,” he said. “There are some values that you should never be compromising on, we need to stand together. The fight will continue.”

    In documents released by WikiLeaks, Eric Schmidt, the executive chairman of Google parent company Alphabet, expressed interest in acting as “head outside advisor” to the Clinton campaign during the presidential election. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange previously characterized Google as “directly engaged” in the campaign. Specifically, Assange claimed, “The chairman of Google, Eric Schmidt, set up a company to run the digital component of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.”

    Hmm, the uber-wealthy are so pro immigration, so being super-rich apparently makes you open minded and immune from a superiority complex.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  296. Sean says:
    @Cyrano

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/the-biology-of-slavery/

    Why did slavery pay? In what circumstances? In a Malthusian world, a laborer’s pay is just enough to allow him to raise two kids to adulthood. That’s all the average peasant makes, so that’s all an employer has to pay. Someone who raised slaves for labor would have to spend just as much or go out of business, in the long run.

  297. Sean says:
    @Talha

    I would not say that those are characteristics were historically under selection in China.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests#Tiananmen_Square_protests

    French commentator Éric Zemmour lamented the fate of the “white proletariat,” helpless before the “ostentatious virility of their black and Arab competitors seducing numerous young white women.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  298. annamaria says:

    A strange case of Messier Macron and the triumph of commercials: http://www.voltairenet.org/article196311.html

    “Above all, Emmanuel Macron’s team did not hesitate to accuse his rivals of the worst forms of treason, without any logic, certain that the local and national Press – which it already controls in its entirety – would not dare to express the slightest criticism. The right-wing candidate, François Fillon, is now perceived as a thief, although not one of the accusations levelled against him has been verified. Marine Le Pen is considered to be the incarnation of fascism, although she has never supported the positions with which she is charged.”

    “History repeats itself – in 1940, the French supported Philippe Petain in order to preserve themselves from Nazism, but it was Petain who installed fascism. In 2017, they voted for Macron in order to preserve themselves from fascism, yet he will be the one who installs it.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  299. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    Bro, you made a statement that I thought was hilarious:
    “Jews can be legitimately regarded as better that [sic] white gentiles in every respect…”

    So I was throwing comedy in there also. Same goes for Chinese, Arab, Malay, Scandinavian, etc. Each have their own advantages due to genetics, history, environment, etc. I have a hard time believing any distinct people are better than all others in “every respect” – I see nothing in history or in science (definitely not religion) to prove that out.

    People who masturbate to IQ stats may disagree…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sean
  300. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    History repeats itself – in 1940, the French supported Philippe Petain in order to preserve themselves from Nazism, but it was Petain who installed fascism. In 2017, they voted for Macron in order to preserve themselves from fascism, yet he will be the one who installs it.

    This is absurdity. I dislike M. Macron immensely, but he is not anything vaguely resembling a fascist. I might like him more if he were.

  301. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    “But we we speaking of which people can be judged the best and why, and I think that the astounding success of countries like Japan Korea and China in war and peace during the last century or so leaves little room for doubt that they are more productive in any capacity useful for a modern society.”

    “I don’t think Korea was victory for the US. Iwo Jima, and the whole Vietnam showed oriental soldiers and rice farming peasant guerrillas were more than a match for US , except for those who hold that the US actually won in Nam.”

    When you made the statement “The Chinese soldiers in Korea thrashed an army of US whites despite the Chinese not having any air support heavy weapons or motorised transport.”, it appeared that you were generalizing the entire war. Only when pressed, you linked to a specific battle that offered careful analysis how and why in a particular instance the Chinese were able to emerge victorious in one battle–The Chinese held the advantage in areas that rendered useless given the terrain.

    “China had no nukes when it attacked the US forces in Korea, which showed their subtle understanding of the limits of US power to use them.”

    No, the limit of the will of the American presidency to use them. Remember, if MacArthur had his way, China would have been vaporized.

    “Perhaps you actually have a house full of made in America stuff, but most things are made in China now. They are gaining on the US and with their economies of scale (Chinese had to do prodigious cooperative things with agriculture like the massive embankments of the Yellow river to build their population). China is going to pull ahead of the US in productive capacity, unless it is stopped.”

    Finally, you made some sense.

    • Replies: @Sean
  302. Sean says:
    @Talha

    I have a hard time believing any distinct people are better than all others in “every respect”

    A relativist argument against the idea of superiority, but anyone who looks above can see you were mocking Chinese for inferiority in biologically based qualities such as athleticism and virility. I have no doubt that you would regard someone intelligent as superior to someone who was not as intelligent. Moreover, and as that “people who masturbate to IQ stats may disagree… ” jeer clearly shows, you actually very judgemental, and regard those who disagree with you as total losers lacking any prospect of reproductive success.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  303. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    Nope – not my words. It’s not easy to dissect a joke – so it shouldn’t be attempted. I was specifically mocking the idea that Jews are superior to White Gentiles in everything. I brought out a few outlandish examples. It is a joke – but a lot less funny if it needs explaining.

    I have no doubt that you would regard someone intelligent as superior to someone who was not as intelligent.

    Yes, in intelligence.

    “people who masturbate to IQ stats may disagree… ” jeer clearly shows, you actually very judgemental

    Totally – good, it hit the mark – I think people who think IQ is the metric by which all humans should be measured are complete losers…and possibly alpha-nerds.

    regard those who disagree with you as total losers lacking any prospect of reproductive success

    Uhhhh…what??!! Bro, I disagree with people on UNZ all the time. I don’t call people who simply disagree with me losers – that would be a very loser thing to do. That has nothing to do with how successful they can be at having children.*

    Somebody help me out here – did anybody else read this into my statement?

    Peace.

    *But yes, if one is masturbating to IQ stats all day – chances for reproductive success will be drastically decreased.

    • Replies: @Anon
  304. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I don’t think they’re that outlandish– Jews (and Chinese, for that matter) are at least decent at sports, including, apparently, ice hockey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews_in_sports#Ice_hockey .

    Somebody help me out here – did anybody else read this into my statement?

    No, of course not. You have a good point and “Sean” is overreacting.

    Nevertheless, it can be disconcerting to discover that our Islamic traditionalist can sound at times like a Lutheran traditionalist …

    • Replies: @Talha
  305. Talha says:
    @Sean

    By the way, I chose my words carefully…

    “People who…”

    “I think people who think…”

    “But yes, if one is…”

    None of this necessarily applies to you unless you feel it does, so no need to take it personally.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sean
  306. […] L’article original est paru sur Unz Review […]

  307. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hola Senor,

    Jews (and Chinese, for that matter) are at least decent at sports

    I have no problem with this – the Chinese do pretty incredible at the Olympics, honestly. I think (at least hope) most people got my point that judging human beings (as a whole) by one specific trait is – to me – complete and utter nonsense and, frankly, deserves to be ridiculed.

    I can tell you what my daughter’s reaction would be if I brought in a potential suitor looking like Steve Urkel and saying, but honey, he’s got an IQ of 140!!!

    And though anyone that qualifies for the NHL can easily out-skate me, Israel’s current national team is ranked right below Mexico (but better than China!):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_International_Ice_Hockey_Federation

    Just sayin’…

    can sound at times like a Lutheran traditionalist

    LOL!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Avery
  308. Avery says:
    @Talha

    {I can tell you what my daughter’s reaction would be if I brought in a potential suitor looking like Steve Urkel and saying, but honey, he’s got an IQ of 140!!!}

    Yo, Talha:

    You are going to bring a potential suitor for your daughter?
    I thought the daughter brings the potential suitor and says “…Mom, Dad….this is Steve Urkel aka Jaleel White, and we are getting married…..”.

    What happened?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sean
  309. you are wrong saker .¿or are you an agent provocateur? The issue (I think ) is first the fight between rich and poors. Second: destroy the west with somalia´s people (worst: marroqui , argelians, and africans) Thirst: Build an Army of all teese people, against Rusia. The Enemy. Germany is behind this. Cheers

  310. Talha says:
    @Avery

    Yo Avery,

    It’s flexible and can go down a few ways:
    1. I present a potential suitor that I have found or know about
    2. Potential suitor presents himself to our family
    3. Daughter presents potential suitor that she has found

    Then we discuss and decide to move forward or not.

    I cannot imagine the Urkel option coming up in numero tres so I was talking about the first situation.

    Peace.

  311. Sean says:
    @Avery

    A Mohammedan’s ideal son in law is a blood relation of his* (and likely of his wife’s as well) . So though Talha asserts the incommensurable nature of superiorities, we know he has an overriding genetic criterion for the important stuff.

    *Women in Islam are second class humans. Old Plato managed to come up with a theory of absolute sexual equality, but that concept is still alien to Islam

    • Replies: @Talha
  312. Sean says:
    @Talha

    Your prurient imprecations about IQ enthusiasts pleasuring themselves to evidence of their group’s superior intelligence certainly were not about yourself or other Mohammedans, given that consanguineous marriages depress IQ. Mating with relatives and the consequent expression of myriad deleterious mutations does little for physical attractiveness from what I have seen, and I expect that good looks, IQ, and health are connected at the biological level so that animals like us will be drawn to in biological terms, an objectively superior mate.

    • Replies: @Talha
  313. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    A Mohammedan’s ideal son in law is a blood relation of his

    Prove it. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Out of the four Orthodox Sunni schools – two of them specify that it is preferred that the potential partner be from outside close relations (I pulled a medieval Shafi’i jurist’s manual off my shelf to make sure) and the other two are silent on the issue. So, if anything, Islamic doctrine leans explicitly towards not marrying cousins while allowing the practice.

    we know he has an overriding genetic criterion for the important stuff

    Oh noes – you got me – my wife isn’t actually a convert of Swedish background – she’s my first cousin from Lahore – I’ve been found out! The shame – the guilt!

    Women in Islam are second class humans

    They are first class women as men are first class men. Each have all the rights they need as far as we’re concerned.

    absolute sexual equality, but that concept is still alien to Islam

    Or anybody else paying attention to reality. I can bench press far more than my wife and her tastes in decorating the house far supersedes mine and I think more logically. And she bore four children – a feat I was witness to and could not understand how one could willingly want to go through again after having gone through it once. But that’s cool – if one wants their women to lead special forces teams or wear the pants in the house or lead the country – I’m fine with that.

    Viva feminism and all hail its glorious fruits!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sean
  314. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Good for you – you have pointed out the wisdom in why the Hanbali and Shafi’i schools discourage the practice.

    Peace.

  315. Sean says:
    @Talha

    Thanks for the look-on-the-sunny-side Islamic theology (Rumi, the renowned Sunni theologian wrote a poem about a woman having sex with a donkey). The marriage practices of Muhammadans in Western countries are widely known; they marry their blood relatives if anything more intensively than they do in their homelands. Their IQ will be commensurately further depressed, and in view of the subject of this post, I think that is a point worth pondering.

    The point about Plato is that his advocacy of men and women being treated with complete equality has been taken up by Western European societies. Muhammadans have not even got to the stage of a theory. If human males are stronger and women can survive the suffering of childbirth, one would expect that males could bestially force themselves on women without men to protect them.

    Muhammad killed the family of the little Jewish girl he married, that was the peace” he gave them. Marriage practices in Islamic communities and the role allotted to women seems to have little connection with the principled ethical restraint that deserves the name of civilization in Western counties.

    • Replies: @Talha
  316. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    China has few natural resources compared to the US; so if, as seems likely, they overtake the US, it is difficult to explain their success (exemplified by Westerners sitting in a house full of Chinese made goods bought by stacking shelves in Walmart because the high earning jobs have vanished) without invoking the quality of the Chinese population as a factor.

    Allowing an alien wedge inbred community (married cousins in many cases) to inhabit the urban areas of Western Europe, where they inevitably become angry in that they are not doing as well as the natives, is not going to help a Western state compete against the most cooperative and productive race on earth. The issue consequently becomes one of the population of the Western countries and its altering quality. With zero immigration, no change, but with mass immigration things can alter very rapidly.

    Moreover the Chinese army in the Korean war “infiltrated the gaps between units instead of confronting the Allies head on”. Cohesion of the front is important in military science and cohesion is no less vital in society hardly helped by a community who consider themselves the victims of pervasive racism in the country they have been allowed into. Unless the immigrants are almost exactly equivalent and all choose to assimilate (many do not) there are going to be endless opportunities for dissension created by the presence of immigrants so objections are not a matter of superiority or inferiority. The communities of Muslims wish to live as they want to. You are not going to change them.

  317. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    Rumi, the renowned Sunni theologian wrote a poem about a woman having sex with a donkey

    Yeah, he did – the woman dies, have you read it? There is actually a profound spiritual lesson in the poem, but most people only see the donkey penis – all depends on what grabs their attention.

    they marry their blood relatives if anything more intensively than they do in their homelands

    Prove it, cite your source. I know hundreds of second-generation Muslims and have only come across around 5 that have married their cousins – I know far more that have married across entire cultures. Ask the next generation what they think of it and you’ll know the answer. The ‘urf has changed with their surroundings.

    I think that is a point worth pondering.

    If it’s true…again, cite your source. I personally know hundreds more Muslims than you, so if you are going on anecdotal evidence – my experience trumps yours any time.

    complete equality has been taken up by Western European societies.

    Yup – and they’re dealing with the consequences. Complete equality is a joke – don’t ask me – plenty of Western men have woken up to the reality. See Fred Reed’s new article.

    Muhammadans have not even got to the stage of a theory.

    Pffshhwahahaha! Have you read any of the works by the Sufis or scholars on the strength of female spirituality to even formulate an opinion on this? Shaykh Nuh Keller (ra) once stated that the most rapid and solid progress of all of his students was found among those that were simple housewives. Oh – but spiritual progress doesn’t mean anything, does it? It doesn’t produce airplanes and microchips.

    You keep bringing up “complete equality” as if it’s an axiom – it’s not, it’s an experiment.

    Muhammad killed the family of the little Jewish girl he married, that was the peace” he gave them.

    They were at war – you expected them to get ice cream? She was not little, all accounts put her around 17 or so (and she was already married to her Jewish husband) – I named my daughter after her. Or maybe you’re in the camp that assumes Jews are innocent and victims in all cases. Don’t rally tribes to war against a divinely sent emissary – or deal with the consequences; we don’t worship a God that is a chump.

    have little connection with the principled ethical restraint that deserves the name of civilization in Western counties

    Duly filed where I file other opinions. My wife is a Western convert and is studying to be a certified Hanafi scholar – she thinks the marriage practices are just fine.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sean
    , @Sean
  318. Talha says:
    @Talha

    And frankly, traditional Muslim women don’t really care to be defined by feminist standards anyway:

    “What we so often forget is that God has honored the woman by giving her value in relation to God—not in relation to men. But as western feminism erases God from the scene, there is no standard left—but men. As a result the western feminist is forced to find her value in relation to a man. And in so doing she has accepted a faulty assumption. She has accepted that man is the standard, and thus a woman can never be a full human being until she becomes just like a man—the standard.”
    http://www.spiritblog.net/yasmin-mogahed/

  319. Carax says:

    ” … Islamic preachers come and spend long hours teaching them about true Islam. ” As far as Europe goes though, true Islam is not compatible with Western European society. I don’t care how you sugar coat it. As human beings we have the capability to create any future we want. Nothing is impossible, even getting rid of Islam itself and sending it back to the countries it came from. Even the the Saker is not perfect. He shows signs of submission.

  320. Medvedev says:

    those Muslims who are already in Europe will inevitably climb the social ladder even if right now they are at the bottom

    So, you found one exception (Volga Tatars) and now trying to make a rule out of it. Sorry, but you can’t be further from reality.
    Generations of affirmative action, quotas, grants and scholarships, government set-aside contracts. Generations of Muslims living in France for 50-60 years. But sure, we just have to let in millions more and the next will inevitable climb.

    How well are Russians doing in parts of nowadays Russia like Ingushetia (0.7% of population), Dagestan, Chechnya? No need to answer, it’s a rhetorical question. Don’t take me wrong, I don’t think bad about these nations and don’t want to compare them with Muslims in Europe. But you have to be realistic and your article cannot be further from truth. In general, Russians aren’t welcome and have no future there. Corruption, ethnic ties and tribalism would prevent not just average Russian, but even Muslim of a different ethnic group from achieving high position there.

    Muslims who want to create some kind of Caliphate in Europe are no less deluded

    According to 1897 census, Slavics comprised ~76% of population, Muslims – 11%. By the mid of 20th century Muslims comprised 20% and were responsible for ~50% of the population growth. They simply outbred Russians and pushed them out from Central Asia and parts of Caucasus. There are few Russians left in many cities founded by Russians (Aktobe, Astana, Kyzyl, Grozny, Mahachkala etc.)

    Percentage of Russians/slavic in Central Asia before and now:
    Kazakhstan 1959 – 43%, 2016 – 20%
    Kyrgyzstan 1959 – 30%, 2016 – 5.99%
    Tajikistan 1959 – 13%, 2016 – 0.4%

    By regions in Russia
    Checnya 1979 – 31%, 2010 – 1.9%
    Karachaevo-Cherkessya 1959 – 51%, 2010 – 32%
    Kabardino-Balkaria 1959 – 39%, 2010 – 22%
    Dagestan 1950 – 20%, 2010 – 4%

    Kazan

    IQ matters. Karlin has an article on PISA results by regions in Russia. Tatarstan has higher IQ than most Russian majority regions.
    I don’t know whether it’s a cold whether, that prevented domination of Islam in everyday life like in other Muslim countries, or centuries of coexistence with Russians. But nowadays Volga Tatars have more in common with Russians (similar IQ, level of violence etc) than with other Muslim nations.

    • Replies: @Abdī
  321. Medvedev says:

    Another peculiar metric, cause there is a speculation that higher-IQ individual have fewer children in modern days. According to 1959 and 1989 censuses Slavics had the following rates of population growth:
    Russians +27%
    Ukrainians +19%
    Belarussians +27%
    Tatars +35%

    On the other hand, major traditionally Muslim ethnic groups observed higher rates of population growth:
    Azeri +130%
    Uzbeks +177%
    Kazakh +124%
    Tajiks +201%
    Turkmen + 173%
    Kyrgyz +161%

    Based on the population growth metric, Tatars a fall in one category with Russians, not with other Muslims. In fact, other traditionally Christian ethnic groups(Moldovans, Georgians, Armenians) had higher growth rates than Tatars.

  322. Abdī says: • Website
    @Medvedev

    level of violence

    Muslim countries have lower crime rates incl violent crime than christian countries. You are shamelessly alluding to muslim countries that have been invaded by christians and are thus war zones.

    Anyway, moneyball, the real Medvedev even said that Russia is part of the Islamic world…

    • Replies: @Medvedev
  323. Sean says:
    @Talha

    Your good lady, like Al-Ghazali’s fire burning cotton without encountering its texture, is limited in how she relates to Islam.Were her husband’s thing extreme sports, I suspect your wife would have taken up base jumping.

    • Replies: @Talha
  324. Sean says:
    @Talha

    Is this a spiritual analogy too? Rumi’s work takes for granted that women require supervision, because they are by nature sexually insatiable (“her vagina was singing”) and will have sex with anyone (or thing) that might satisfy them. The 1001 Nights, compiled in the Islamic golden age, has several stories about wives who have sex with negro slaves because they have larger penes.

    I don’t know if that is any truth in the idea that women from Islamic parts of the world are by nature promiscuous. I think there is some evidence that strict culture can do the heavy lifting for people without a high degree of innate self control, and I expect that as they assimilate to Western European culture any tendency to promiscuity will show up.

    Islamic communities in Western Europe are practicing consanguinity

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/8544359/Hay-Festival-2011-Professor-risks-political-storm-over-Muslim-inbreeding.html

    Professor risks political storm over Muslim ‘inbreeding’
    Prof Steve Jones, one of Britain’s most eminent scientists, has warned that the level of inbreeding among the nation’s Muslims is endangering the health of future generations.

    “Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.” Research in Bradford has found that babies born to Pakistani women are twice as likely to die in their first year as babies born to white mothers, with genetic problems linked to inbreeding identified as a “significant” cause.
    Studies have found that within the city, more than 70 per cent of marriages are between relations, with more than half involving first cousins.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14518911.Detectives_investigate_220_child_sex_grooming_cases_across_Bradford_and_Keighley/

    POLICE are currently investigating 220 alleged cases of child sex grooming in Keighley and across Bradford district. The figures were obtained after the town’s former MP Ann Cryer spoke about how the battle must go on to bring perpetrators of the vile crime to justice. Mrs Cryer suffered verbal abuse and was accused of ‘demonising’ the Asian community when she began a campaign more than a decade ago to get the authorities to tackle child sex grooming in Keighley.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/NEWS/15076049.Child_sex_grooming_referrals_set_to_reach_record_high/
    THE number of cases of suspected child sex exploitation reported in Bradford is expected to reach a record high this year.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html

    Dr Taj Hargey, imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation, said race and religion were inextricably linked to the recent spate of grooming rings in which Muslim men have targeted under-age white girls. […] The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent, and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers.
    “Their dress code, from miniskirts to sleeveless tops, is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook. According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded.”

    Of course a lot of Muslim men may just not find the low IQ /odd looking through being inbred) girls of their own community attractive. I am aware that there is instant divorce in Islam and it is men who can use and do use it, which is hardly equitable.

  325. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    I am no longer shocked by the number of people that haven’t got the memo that Newtonian deterministic causality has been dead since we split the atom. Here is some reading on the subject:
    “Further, they agree that events in the world ate not strictly predictable. Both accept the idea that unexpected, unpredictable things can and do occur. According to Al-Ghazali’s explanation, God is omnipotent and involved in the world at every moment and can, therefore, cause anything to happen. The Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum theory says that it is impossible to predict the exact behavior of an object based on physical laws. As a result, while one might expect a lead ball to fall when it is dropped, there is a definite possibility that the ball will rise instead. The independent existence of teal objects is doubted by both al-Ghazali and the Copenhagen Interpretation. ”
    Causality Then and Now: Al-Ghazali and Quantum Theory
    http://www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

    “As the theory of the atom, quantum mechanics is perhaps the most successful theory in the history of science. It enables physicists, chemists, and technicians to calculate and predict the outcome of a vast number of experiments and to create new and advanced technology based on the insight into the behavior of atomic objects. But it is also a theory that challenges our imagination. It seems to violate some fundamental principles of classical physics, principles that eventually have become a part of western common sense since the rise of the modern worldview in the Renaissance…Apparently, we are living in a quantum world since everything is constituted by atomic and subatomic particles. Hence classical physics seems merely to be a useful approximation to a world which is quantum mechanical on all scales. Such a view, which many modern physicists support, can be called quantum fundamentalism (Zinkernagel forthcoming). It can be defined as a position containing two components: (1) everything in the Universe is fundamentally of quantum nature (the ontological component); and (2) everything in the Universe is ultimately describable in quantum mechanical terms (the epistemological component)”
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-copenhagen/

    I suspect your wife would have taken up base jumping

    LOL! So Western women have no independent volition – now who’s being sexist?

    Square your circle bro, what is it? Are women completely equal to men or are they prone in following the example of their menfolk?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sean
  326. Talha says:
    @RW

    Hey Sean,

    Rumi’s work takes for granted that women require supervision, because they are by nature sexually insatiable (“her vagina was singing”) and will have sex with anyone (or thing) that might satisfy them.

    Nonsense – only a small percentage of his work would lead in this direction. Which is absolutely true – some women are absolutely sexually voracious – far more than men. I have read/heard talks by Muslim scholars that admit that the female capacity for sexuality can far supersede the male (multiple orgasms being a simple biological fact), but that God has made them more innately modest which keeps that from becoming something problematic. Once modesty is removed – and you unleash the flood gates…well, we’re witnessing the results.

    This is one of the best talks on the subject:

    And many of his writings do nothing to absolve men of their capacity for lechery and lust.

    The 1001 Nights, compiled in the Islamic golden age, has several stories about wives who have sex with negro slaves because they have larger penes.

    Sure, and sex with jinn and all sorts of other whacky tales – read some of the poetry of Abu Nuwas – crazy stuff!

    I don’t know if that is any truth in the idea that women from Islamic parts of the world are by nature promiscuous.

    LOL! Western women aren’t? Are you serious?

    as they assimilate to Western European culture any tendency to promiscuity will show up

    Yup – especially if they listen to the trash that passes for music these days. This is the assimilation I am not keen on. Apple pie and western-style suits seems fine to adopt – “friends with benefits”, not so much.

    As for the links to the articles – thanks. So that proves the Pakistani community in the UK has serious problems. I live in the US, so I’m talking about our situation. I guess they will continue to have problems until they wise up and start listening to sound medical advice. As for your posts about Muslim rape gangs. I am well aware of the issue. The solution is simple: punish severely…rinse…repeat.

    I don’t know which UK imams that article is talking about (possibly the same guys that hold rallies for enforcing vigilante shariah), but I have personally studied under a couple of visiting muftis from the UK. Their advice regarding barely dressed Western women has been simple. Avoid them unless absolutely necessary (business, medical, etc. dealings or the like); no looking, no chatting, no touching. But these ethnic gangs who go to clubs and do drugs are hardly the type to listen to this advice.

    If you think I’m the type that makes excuses for badly behaving Muslims, sorry, look elsewhere. We would not tolerate that kind of behavior in Muslim lands, I do not expect it to be tolerated in the West. Again: punish severely…rinse…repeat.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Sean
  327. Sean says:
    @Talha

    LOL! So Western women have no independent volition

    No one has in Al-Ghazali’s opinion, he thought God did it all.

    The independent existence of real objects is doubted by both al-Ghazali and the Copenhagen Interpretation. ”

    And it was also doubted by the philosopher most dear to the modern skeptic: Hume. Presumably you believe your wife to be real.

    • Replies: @Talha
  328. Medvedev says:
    @Abdī

    That’s why there is high level of violence and crime in Muslim immigrant communities, no-go zones in France, England, Sweden. That’s why my female friend, who studies in Austria, have been harassed several times and had to stop jogging. And no, perpetrators weren’t native Austrians. If only she wore burka or at least hijab and had a male companion, or better yet didn’t jog at all. If only Austrians applied Sharia law, harsh punishment, stoning and chopping off hand’s for petty crime, so refugees would feel at home, then there would be no problem with crime rates.

    I doubt that if German accepted million Tatars (or better yet native Swedes, Japanese or Koreans) they would have the same problems they face with Muslim refugees.

    invaded by christians and are thus war zones

    Sorry, Christians did not invade Muslim countries. USA/Russia meddled meddled in what is called Middle East, which have had ongoing conflicts in the past thousand years or so. Don’t take me wrong, Europe had it’s fare share of conflicts up until recently, so I don’t imply that Middle Easterners are violent because of war.

  329. Sean says:
    @Talha

    But these ethnic gangs who go to clubs and do drugs are hardly the type to listen to this advice.

    You misunderstand, the grooming was not the everyday seduction of women by ostentatiously virile immigrant men. Muslims were turning 13year old girls and making them into prostitutes. There was more money in it than dealing heroin. Pakistanis ect (a variety of Muslims) in a expensive cars (one gang had a Bentley) were parked right outside the school and picking little white girls up at finishing time. then they were taken to houses where dozens of Muslim men paid to have sex with them. It was that blatant. The police did absolutely nothing to stop the abuse, and actually threatened to arrest a couple of the fathers of the girls when causing a disturbance outside the houses where their daughters were being abused.The police just want to keep their safe job and pension, so they stick it to the white lower orders.

    The immigrant has the whip hand over the native Briton, and the chattering classes a cuing up to downplayie concerns of native working class people about how immigration of affecting them. Their is outright repression of their complaints by the intelligentsia, authorities and media. This is happening as a result of immigrant communities inevitably functioning as an alien wedge. It isn’t going to get better.

    • Replies: @Talha
  330. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    No one has in Al-Ghazali’s opinion, he thought God did it all.

    Your misunderstanding of basic Sunni creed doesn’t surprise me. The choice/intention to act belongs to the servant, God creates the act (as there is no independence of creation – even for a moment – from the Creator willing it into being and sustaining its being/existence) – there is no contradiction. He creates the cause and the effect and fuses the two along a usual pattern that is observable and quantifiable by human beings; this is extremely useful for us in establishing laws and rules for science. And when He decides; He does not let cause and effect follow His normal procedure – this interdiction is sometimes called a miracle; virgin birth, etc. That is why it is the intention of the servant which is the focus of punishment or reward in the next life – not the act itself.

    A person gives charity in order to please his Lord, another gives to make a name among the people – the acts and results are the same in the phenomenal world; yet the two are not judged the same.

    This is basic Sunni creed; accept it or reject it based on what it says, not your misunderstanding. You’re describing the creed of the heretical Jabriyyah sect – they’ve long passed from the world.

    Presumably you believe your wife to be real.

    Yes, she is real – but she is not Real. Ponder on that for a bit.

    Peace.

  331. Talha says:
    @RW

    Sorry bro – that comment was obviously meant for Sean.

  332. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    I don’t misunderstand at all – I have read the accounts. You have Muslim men who are unwilling to abide by precepts of either sacred or civil law. In this case there is one option left – to make an example out of them for others; what part of “punish severely” does not compute?

    If authorities are unwilling to do this, then replace them. Or are you saying democracy and Western bureaucratic governments are failing their people?

    If so, again; punish severely…rinse…repeat.

    This is not rocket science.

    Peace.

  333. Boris N says:
    @Talha

    I appreciate your attempt to whitewash Islam and blackwash Wahhabis, but the problem is your counter-arguments are purely academical and theoretical. The peculiarities between the Islam schools could be surely discussed for thousands of hours by theologians, but the essence remains the same. Few things that ISIS are doing contradict Islam. Few things that ISIS are doing have never been done by other Muslims of other schools. Literately, not cabinet theology, but real deeds.
    Do ISIS’s practices strictly follow Islam?
    * Sharia law – check
    * Burqas and niqabs – check
    * No alcohol – check
    * Dhimmitude and jizya – check
    * Destruction of idols – check
    * Killing apostates – check
    * Constant jihad – check
    So you cannot say that anything of it is against Islam. You simply can’t. Otherwise you deny Islam itself. You only can say these are not necessary on the modern world, because… well it is up to you to explain your modernist views to your Muslim brothers, who instead are more eager to implement Islam up to the letter, not only in ISIS, but everywhere else, from Mali to Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Abdī
    , @Talha
    , @dodger23
  334. Boris N says:
    @Talha

    Now if the argument is that Daesh’s tactics would have found home in some pre-modern Muslim armies like those of Tamerlane, Tatar Khanates, etc. Sure, but they would have also been fine in the armies of the Conquistadors, Ivan the Terrible, Japanese invasion of Manchuria etc. – even the scorched earth policies that France used to pacify Algerian resistance. So this does not distinguish them historically.

    It is not about Daesh’s tactics, it’s about their Islam and their policies according to Islam. And all of these fit well to any pre-modern Islamic nation and even some modern ones (there are dozens of legal practices that are hardly different in ISIS from those of, say, Saudia or the UAE). If ISIS were in, say, 1600, nobody in the Muslim world would say a word against what they are doing on their territory.

    Neither the Conquistadors, nor Ivan IV (please, do not bring in the historical propaganda about him), nor the Japanese, nor anybody were Muslims and followed Islam. Daesh could not fit into the Conquistadors, who were Christians, what a nonsense. You’re making ridiculous comparisons. You seem not to understand my point.

    • Replies: @Talha
  335. Boris N says:
    @Talha

    As per D. Cook. I have not listened to his lectures, but in his book he has refuted Islamic apologists who try to whitewash jihad and say it’s not about war but about “striving”, which, as cleverly shown by the author, is a modern myth. He even directly bashed such apologists in a few places and I’m afraid he might have borne in mind people like you. So even if it’s highly informative you may not like it, as he, well, does not seem to be Islamophile.

  336. Abdī says: • Website
    @Boris N

    This is why Alain de Benoist says islamophobes are the useful idiots of radical Islam. .00002% of muslims are cherrypicked to represent muslims… Not to mention the people fighting them day in day out are muslim too. The actual numbers are .00002%, I’m sure you have polls where “significant percentages” of muslims have committed thoughtcrimes though.

    • Replies: @Boris N
  337. Boris N says:

    And returning to our initial topic: good Tatar Muslims of Russia, which must be an example for all the other Muslims in the world. So what the author is suggesting is literally making Muslims non-Muslim.
    Because Tatar Muslims do not follow Islam.
    Tatar Muslims do not do what good Muslims are supposed to do:
    * Do not pray five times a day, most do not pray at all and have no idea how to do it.
    * No hijabs/burqas/niqabs.
    * Women are equal to men.
    * Do not feast.
    * They work in Fridays, but rest in Saturdays and Sundays.
    * Do drink alcohol.
    * Quite liberal to the modern things like sex, nudity, entertainment, science, evolution, etc.
    * Few consider doing the pilgrimage.
    * Few know much about Islam.
    * Few have ever read Qur’an.
    * Few attend mosque regularly.
    * Extremely few support Sharia. Practically Islamic law has no place in the Russian legal system.
    * Few look down up on non-Muslims. Christians and Muslims are equal in Tatarstan, which is quite unthinkable in such Muslim countries as Pakistan.
    * And after all many do not take very seriously their faith and they become apostates/agnostics/atheists without much remorse or fear and marry non-Muslims.
    * And many other things which the modern secular Western people do and which contradict Islam.

    What Tatar Muslims still do as Muslims:
    * Avoid eating pork.
    * Celebrate Eid, though it rather has become not a religious, but a traditional family holiday, like Christmas or Easter among Christians.
    * They still perform a few Islamic rituals in some rare life situations like marriage or burying.
    * They still prefer their own kind for marriage, though it is rather nationalist than religious.

    So if the only things which would remain from Islam is not eating pork, sacrificing a sheep once a year, and marrying their own kind, I bet few people on Earth would be against such non-Islamic Islam.

  338. Boris N says:

    But in Chechnya there are going absolutely the opposite things. Kadyrov literally has created an Islamic state withing Russian, with Sharia law and everything else, like in Saudia. So “The Saker” seems know little about Islam in Russia if he offers two absolutely opposite solutions. Not to mention that Kadyrov’s Islam is Sufism, which indeed many may consider non-genuine.

  339. Boris N says:
    @Abdī

    Half of the Islamic world punish apostates, up to 80% support this in some countries, yet this is still “not representative”. Poor Muslims, Islamophobes are everywhere.
    http://www.pewresearch. org/fact-tank/2016/07/29/which-countries-still-outlaw-apostasy-and-blasphemy/
    http://www.pewforum. org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
    The most useful idiots are Muslims who deny reality and whitewash their religion.

    • Replies: @Abdī
  340. Abdī says: • Website
    @Boris N

    If you’re not an islamophobe what are you, just an islamogogue? Some Russian muslims are lax, others stringent… that is the entire point. I’ll just let you continue to make my argument for me by highlighting the epic diversity within islam. Duly noted that you are spooked by chechens praying 5x and reading quran and also duly noted is your bizarre takfir on tatars since you perceive them as lapsed.

    • Replies: @Anon
  341. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Abdī

    Islamogogy (actually more properly in full Greek hypotassagogy) would be the preaching of Islam, or a pandering to Muslims, on the analogy of demagogy or Chesterton’s mystagogy, which I don’t think Boris N. is doing. What you want is probably misohypotassy, or, being creative, misomamoudism or misislamy.

    • Agree: Abdī
    • Replies: @Abdī
  342. Abdī says: • Website
    @Anon

    Thanks. I meant Islamologue.

  343. Talha says:
    @Boris N

    Hey Boris,

    I appreciate your attempt to whitewash Islam

    Let’s not play games – both of us have an agenda here. We tango for the audience who is watching, so…let’s dance, shall we?

    The problem here is that you are operating with a credibility gap. It stems from the fact that you are a non-Muslim. Non-Muslim pronouncements on Islamic doctrine don’t really count for much. Maybe others care to listen, but we don’t – we don’t even consider hadith transmission valid through you guys. Does anybody consider a fatwa/verdict from a non-Muslim as credible? No – it’s our religion – we set the rules.

    As such, if you want to state that “Islam says…” something. The onus is on you to provide proof of a consensus opinion – that is Islam. And this is the realm of the qualified Muslim jurists. If concensus doesn’t exist, then the most one can honestly say is that this particular school takes this position or another.

    your counter-arguments are purely academical and theoretical

    Hardly – Muslims are on the front lines and dying by the hundreds against Daesh. Air strikes from Jordanian F-16s aren’t theoretical when you are on the receiving end.

    your modernist views

    LOL! You actually think I’m a modernist? Far from it. I have studied (and continue my studies) under three muftis from the Hanafi school. I am currently working through the ‘Hidayah’ a medieval primer by Imam Marghinani (ra). Furthermore, it is obvious you didn’t read the links I sent. If you claim Shaykh Muhammad Yacoubi (ra) is a modernist, then your credibility gap just got widened.

    Even the institutes of Farangi Mahal and Deoband have both condemned Daesh:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Dont-see-ISIS-in-light-of-religion/articleshow/49795435.cms

    Please, please call these institutes ‘modernists’ – please – I haven’t had a gut-busting laugh in a while!

    Few things that ISIS are doing contradict Islam.

    Some things certainly are not – even a broken clock is right twice a day. For instance, you mentioned them prohibiting alcohol. None of the scholars criticized them for that. They criticized them for things like torturing/burning people, killing dhimmis without right, reintroducing slavery, considering those that disagree with them apostates, etc. Your argument lacks logical coherence; you are saying that they are doing some things according to Islam (which actually is true), thus everything they are doing is according to Islam (which is utter nonsense).

    So explain one simple thing; why are you and Daesh coming to one conclusion while the major scholars (who have spent 40, 50 years of their life dedicated to studying the religion) and institutions of Islam are coming to another?

    Is it because both you and most of Daesh lack basic knowledge of the religion? As some intelligence services have concluded:
    Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    What does one of the world’s leading experts on global jihadist movements have to say:
    “To summarise: the typical radical is a young, second-generation immigrant or convert, very often involved in episodes of petty crime, with practically no religious education, but having a rapid and recent trajectory of conversion/reconversion, more often in the framework of a group of friends or over the internet than in the context of a mosque. The embrace of religion is rarely kept secret, but rather is exhibited, but it does not necessarily correspond to immersion in religious practice….As we have seen, jihadis do not descend into violence after poring over sacred texts. They do not have the necessary religious culture – and, above all, care little about having one. They do not become radicals because they have misread the texts or because they have been manipulated. They are radicals because they choose to be, because only radicalism appeals to them. No matter what database is taken as a reference, the paucity of religious knowledge among jihadis is glaring.
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/apr/13/who-are-the-new-jihadis

    Your gap widens even more even with you pronouncing things like “constant jihad” being an integral part of Islam. Again, why have none of the major scholars or institutions stated that we need to scrap the current indefinite non-aggression international framework (which is completely workable in the Hanafi school)? Name me one that has. Constant jihad was completely valid and intelligent in the age of empires – dog-eat-dog favors the most strong and aggressive dog.

    Otherwise you deny Islam itself.

    And you are the only authority you reference for your axiom. Again – no Muslim cares what you think – cite qualified Muslim scholars – don’t be lazy.

    he has refuted Islamic apologists who try to whitewash jihad and say it’s not about war but about “striving”, which, as cleverly shown by the author, is a modern myth.

    Good, I’m glad. I’m sick of SJW post-modernist re-interpretations of Islam. Jihad has both an inner and an outer expression – this has been known for centuries. But do gun-wielding twenty year old buffoons get to define that expression? Hardly.

    However, both you and I agree Prof. Cook is an expert on the subject; so why does he then side with me on this issue. Here is a five minute clip from his lecture in Australia in which he starts by expressing his astonishment at a statement from an extremist that Imam Nawawi (ra) wasn’t a Muslim – a statement he likens (accurately) to someone declaring Augustine wasn’t a Christian:
    “So, you have within you a strong tendency – this strong ahistorical tendency to pretend that history just simply didn’t exist, if you’re a Salafi, if you’re a radical. Because you have to…because then you can begin to ignore the huge mass of Shariah that you have to deal with…Who has the authority? For the traditional Muslim, it has to be the ulema – it has to be the religious hierarchy. But, uniformally, this group is hostile to radicalism. As a matter of fact, to me – to my eyes, the most obvious way to innocculate a Muslim from radicalism is actually just to put them in a religious school and make them learn the traditional way. Because, in actuality, that forces you into a world – a conceptual world – that is quite, quite distant from radicalism and doesn’t allow you to actually go into it very well.”

    Why is Prof. Cook and so many other honest academic experts stating that these guys are actually ignoring a lot of the Shariah? What do they know and you don’t?

    So your basic premise is; the correct and most accurate interpretation of Islam belongs to those least knowledgeable about it…because…stuff.

    With this and given you didn’t get my point that pre-modern Christians could be quite capable of savagery and sanguinary policies (yeah, all that stuff about Tsar Ivan is propaganda – right*) – I can now drive a mack truck through your credibility gap with room to spare.

    Peace.

    *”In Kazan the Muslim population was expelled and Russian colonists were moved in, mosques were replaced by Russian Orthodox churches and the Tartars of the surrounding country were pressed to convert to Christianity.”
    http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/kazan-falls-ivan-terrible

    The official chronicle tells us that the tsar ordered the Tatar women and children to be taken captive, and the armed men put to death ‘because of their treason’. An Orthodox church was erected in Kazan even before Ivan’s departure from the city’ mosques were destroyed; and a programme of forced conversion was introduced, on the advice of the priest Sil’vestr.”
    Ivan the Terrible

    As I said, Daesh would’ve been just fine operating under a leader like Ivan just as they would under Tamerlane.

  344. Talha says:
    @Boris N

    I missed this detail…

    it’s about their Islam

    Bingo! Now you’re getting it…

  345. Sean says:
    @Talha

    I don’t know if that is any truth in the idea that women from Islamic parts of the world are by nature promiscuous.

    LOL! Western women aren’t? Are you serious?

    Yes. Native Swedish women may seem to you, on average, little accustomed to keeping alive the sacred flame of Vesta. However Muslim women who have assimilated to Swedish mores and are free to live out their natural inclinations will constitute sluts more lascivious than the average native female in that country. The process of increasingly worse outcomes for second and third generation immigrants is called negative assimilation, and there is good evidence for Hispanics in the USA exhibiting it. Strict tightly knit supervising culture is found in countries where the people do not have innate (genetic adaptations for) self control.

    That is why Saker is wrong to think

    Muslims who are already in Europe will inevitably climb the social ladder even if right now they are at the bottom. […] So even if the current generation is poorly educated and not integrated in the European society, the next one will. I have seen that with many other economic migrants such as Italians or Albanians. So when you see the Iraqi women sweeping the floors of your local hospital, remember that, in two years or so, her daughter will likely work at the same hospital, but as the medical doctor. In other words, the social power of the Muslim community will inevitably grow.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  346. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Hey Sean,

    their natural inclinations

    Nothing natural about it from our perspective. Today’s sexual mores are an anathema and anomaly, even to the majority of European history. The current liberal sexual attitudes are fairly recent, even in Sweden – you should see how conservative they were dressing just in the early part of the last century.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=swedish+dress+traditional&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX–n3qvXTAhUV52MKHZpEDgwQsAQIJg&biw=1344&bih=774

    And it’s not about virginity either. I’ve seen people change, people who did the wall-to-wall fornication thing. I’m in a Sufi order; it’s a laundromat, who comes without dirty laundry? The gates of repentance and rectification are always open.

    Though I agree with you about one thing, those girls that go wild from a religious background tend to go whole hog. My wife tells me that the sluttiest girls in her area (even by Berkeley standards) were known to be those coming from Catholic schools. Now that doesn’t mean all Catholic girls are like that, but those that go off the rails tend to want to prove themselves. Others can chime in, I’ve only known one woman all my life so I’m not much of an expert other than what I’ve read or heard.

    I’m sure soon we’ll have a cottage industry of porn dealing with either ex-Muslim women or those on the edges.

    Well, if they decide to drink the post-modern koolaid, their Muslim heritage isn’t going to help them much. As I pointed out in other posts, ex-Muslims or the hyper liberal variety tend to put themselves on the same track as the rest of their ideological kin. Look up the names of the prominent apostates – how many of them have children?

    Peace.

  347. Talha says:
    @Sean

    Also…

    Strict tightly knit supervising culture is found in countries where the people do not have innate (genetic adaptations for) self control.

    Sorry, I don’t buy it. Europe was on the same page as Muslims on sexual mores for most of its history. In fact, the Muslims and Turks were often seen (in a negative sense) as the sexually liberal ones. These European norms changed very rapidly. My own wife’s Swedish grandparents were monogamous and married young and for life and had plenty of children. Now Sweden is one of the most sexually liberal places – yet they had very conservative dress (we have photographic evidence of this) in the past and traditional mores. This dress would be considered even conservative in much of the Muslim world where women wear hijab, but pants.

    Are you claiming this genetic adaption occurred over 2, maybe 3 generations? Are you serious about that? What theory accounts for this kind of rapid adaptation within homo sapiens?

    Peace.

  348. @Sergey Krieger

    Well, you lived in Uzbekistan. Why didn’t you adopt and become an Uzbeki? You remained yourself, Russian, and that is ok, but not ok for “others” to remain what they are. Can you hear yourself?

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  351. dodger23 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    There is a very simple solution to motivating Muslims to go back to their countries. STOP the darned wars devastating their homelands. There never was these waves of refugees when Saddam. or Qaddafi were in charge, there never was these influx of refugees from Syria before the Mega terrorists, US and Israel decided to change regimes in Syria. All these countries were stable and peacful till the terrorists in the US goverment decided that these countries needed ‘ democracy’ None of the US muslim allies actually have ANY democracy.

    Take the government that they made in Afghanistan, it is made of ruthless thugs and warlords for whom just taking what their want is the most natural thing to do. Some years ago Kabul bank was looted by the new criminal ruling class America has created to make sure the American interests are given priority over the interests of Afghans. Americans investigated and did nothing! Honest patriotic afghans are either killed by assassins or framed for corruption, while the real corrupt elements are not even exposed by the media.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/02/14/the-afghan-bank-heist

    But ask any Afghan or any taxi driver for that matter and they will rattle of long list of politicians and their dark deeds. These bandits in the Afghan parliament are 10000 times more dangerous than the Taliban.
    They can grab your land, your property, your daughter, your son, anything they want they take it, every second afghan who doesn’t have some connection to a politician in the government have been looted and robbed.

    A relative in Kandahar who tried to legally take back land occupied by warlords went though 5 ministries to get his land freed and each of the ministries unashamedly asked for percentage of the land, that too after all the bribes had been paid for!! The man paid thousands of dollars to these roaches but nothing was achieved, its not like you can walk up to these thugs and ask for your money or even accuse them of something. If they say which money? you need to turn around and leave it at that.

    In the autumn of 2008, my dad was coming home from work and a police stopped his car at a check-point. My dad was asked to step out and when he did the police sat in his car and drove away with it, just like that. We complained to then governor (or what ever title he owned-but it equals to reining warlord) Ahmed Wali Karzai and he said he couldn’t help because their were fellow tribals involved and since they were his voters he couldn’t do anything about it. Yep! That’s warlord democracy for you! Didn’t even flinch saying it, these things are as natural in Afghanistan as snow in Wyoming. There are plenty of such stories which the western media will never ever cover because these warlords need to be paid so that they can serve AMERICA FIRST and allowing them to milk the people puts less stress on the american budget.

    So what did my Dad do! Well knowing that neither his property or his dignity was safe nor his family he had no choice but to leave. So we migrated first to Pakistan, but the Pakistanis were ordered to take the Afghans out so we went on to where we knew many of our relatives had more secure lives but my father was not happy at all.

    Take out the barbarous, thieves, murderers in Kabul and a lot of Afghans will go home. We have a beautiful country, with pure water and clean air, lots of land (which we thought we could build on when the Americans came and brought democracy and freedom but that never happened.) Large percentage or our family living in Pakistan also migrated to the west, some of whom had been living in Pakistan for the past 30-35 years and who had resisted their children or sibling’s effort to relocate them to the US, have now moved there because they know they are not safe in Afghanistan.

    People in western countries preferred not to dwell on these corrupt satraps that America maintains in almost all of the countries that it has supposedly freed and now they are paying the price.

  352. dodger23 says:
    @Boris N

    The Islam which ISIS practices is made in Israel. Long before 9/11 the Zionists had scare stories of Islamist (that name is new) who would occupy London and chop heads in the center of London.

    Most of the killing and head chopping are of Muslims. Destruction of cultural, historical and religious landmarks of Islam and also pre-Islamic historical sites in Muslim countries are not spared. Systematic destruction of cities and residential centers are very similar to the destruction the Israeli army carried out in Lebanon.

    Israel attacks Gaza in Ramadan and ISIS attacks cities in Syria (Muslims are forbidden to fight in the month of Ramadan unless they are attacked by non-Muslims for whom the restrictions of Ramadan don’t apply. But these SOB attacked Muslims same as Israel.

    The biggest giveaway that these bums are not Muslims is the fact that they have NO ax to grind with Israel. These petty Israeli bred roaches have no sympathy for the Palestinians nor for the Burmese Muslims who are being ethnically cleansed in Burma. Every Muslim cares about Palestine especially, it is a huge scar on Muslim hearts.

    These army of fake fighters is so fake they have to tie head bands and carry flags to let you know that they are, really really, Muzlims. Where in the world do insurgents carry huge flags to announce their presence.

    When the mujaheddin fought the Russians in Afghanistan they never carried flags nor tied labels to their heads, that would have been stupid, the Russians would have spotted them even in the rugged mountains.

    But ISIS doesn’t seem to be worried about being spotted from the air and their dark black flags against the light brown desert sand giving them away, that or the American pilots looking for them must have very bad vision (quite unlikely) Its more likely that their masters in Israel has forbidden them from attacking its precious Muslim killing assets which have taken then decades to make and taken them decades to bully the Saudis to finance.

  353. Anonymous [AKA "Zia"] says:
    @ia

    There is no comparison of the then India and modern Europe. A caste-ridden civilization had to give way to a dynamic order. Modern India owes a lot to Islam for its progress and enlightenment. Void has to be filled; its natural principle.

    • Replies: @IA
  354. IA says:
    @Anonymous

    Right. That’s why Pakistan and Bangladesh are doing so well compared to Hindu-dominated India.

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