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Saker rant about a stolen Europe

My latest column about Europe has elicited a lot of reactions, more than I expected, and I feel that I have to follow up by answering some of the comments made and by simply sharing with you not so much my thoughts as my feelings about Europe and her plight. Careful here, this will be a angry rant, written with sadness and despair in my heart, and with no regard whatsoever for good manners or political correctness (or spelling and grammar, for that matter)

If you offend easily, stop reading now. Same thing if you expect a carefully written analysis. This will be a *rant*.

You have been warned!

For those who might not already know this, I was born in Switzerland in 1963 and, as most your Swiss people do, I traveled all over Europe for many years. My favorite destinations were mostly in the South: Greece (Athens, Aegina, Aghia Marina), Spain (Gran Canaria, Andalusia, Madrid), Italy (Ansedonia, Rome, Milan, Aosta), France (Creuse, Corrèze, Vercors), but also in the *real* “Central Europe” of Switzerland (Berner Oberland, Graubunden, Val Poschiavo), Germany (Bavaria), Holland (Amsterdam, the Hague) and Belgium (Brugge). I even has some wonderful trips to Ireland (Dublin, Donegall, Connemara) and I loved it all. I loved the languages (I speak Spanish, German, French, Italian), I loved the beautiful diversity of people, the music, the food, the landscapes, the accents and beautiful buildings as witnesses of the past reaching as far as antiquity – all these were joys to my heart and food for my mind. I absolutely LOVE Europe, and not only because by ethnicity I am half-European myself (my father, who did not raise me, is Dutch) but because most of my life was spent there and no matter what Europe will feel like home to me.

[Sidebar: when I say “Europe” I mean Western Europe, the real Europe, the one which was occupied by NATO, not the eastern part, occupied by the WTO (Warsaw Treaty Organization, it was never called a “Pact” – this is US propaganda), which never was really Europe anyway. No offense to anybody, but for me the notion that Poland or Bulgaria are part of Europe is laughable. And neither are the Balkans for that matter, with the possible exception of Greece. I know, most will disagree and prove me wrong, I don’t care. MY Europe will always be a purely western one, for better or, sometimes, for worse]

But that home was stolen from me.

First, that home was stolen by an EU project which from day one was anti-European. How is the EU anti-European? First and foremost, because it was aimed at unifying a beautifully diverse continent. What does a German and an Italian have in common. Let me tell you: exactly *nothing*. In Switzerland we used to joke that the border with Africa began in Carouge, a southernmost neighborhood of Geneva. If you asked a Swiss German from Zurich, he would say that the border with Africa begin just south of Bern, on the linguistic divide between German and French speaking Swiss. And, please, don’t see that as a sign of anti-Italian or anti-French-speaking Swiss racism – it is not. It was a *joke*, but one which reflected real differences.

Gites du Vercors

The Europe of my youth

There once was a real and viable European (as I said, every time I say “European” I mean “West European”) core: Germany, France, Belgium, Holland and Denmark were fairly close to each other, with France being the odd man out (France is, at the very least, two countries: southern and northern France, glued together by history and language). Switzerland was politically too independent to ever join this “core” as for the UK, it was never European in the least. If anything, the UK was always anti-European and the worst enemy of Europe.

The EU went much further. It added Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal. This was already rather crazy but, I suppose, painfully doable. But then came the deathblow: adding all of the former WTO countries in a suicidal expansion to the East. I don’t feel like discussing what the central and eastern European countries ought to be called, maybe “eastern European” is okay, but they never were in any way part of western Europe. Yes, for political reasons, the Poles, Estonians and Romanians think of themselves as “European”, but just like the Ukies with their ridiculous “Україна – це Європа!” (The Ukraine is Europe) they never were part of real Europe, not the one which used to joke that the European border with Africa beings in Carouge anyway :-)

Europe today

The “New Europe”

ORDER IT NOW

The second deathblow to Europe came when the capitalists opened the borders of Europe to cheap immigrant labor for the south. Let me tell you, the first wave of immigrants, mostly Italians, Portuguese and Spaniards, could very easily be integrated. I went to school with roughly 50% of the classroom composed of these three groups. Sure, they each had their own identity, language and customs – but they could really be integrated into the larger society. Then came the Yugolsavs and it was much tougher already. All of them – Serbs, Croats, Albanians from Kosovo – had come from Communist Yugoslavia and while they definitely worked very hard, they never really felt at home in their new country of residence, and neither did the locals see them as their own. But then all hell broke lose with the arrival of the “Arabs” from the Maghreb (northern Africa) who were not all, or even really, “Arabs” but nevermind that, and sub-Saharan (Black) Africans. Can you imagine what it feels like to see *real* Africans in larger and larger numbers all over your home town when you used to joke that the border with Africa was Carouge (I repeat that example because I consider it very telling)? It felt like a plague, even if nobody was willing to admit it.

Now let me immediately get one canard out of the way. The issue of Islam.

French thugs in the past

French street thugs of the past

I submit that none of the Magbrebians or Africans could be really integrated into a profoundly West European society. But, and this is crucial, the Muslims, and here I mean the really religious and pious Muslims, were always respectful of the law and excellent neighbors. I know what I am talking about as I lived right next door to a big mosque myself, for decades, and that I know for a fact that mosque-attending Muslims are extremely courteous (more so than the locals, in fact) and that they are very careful about showing a refined, educated and proper image of Islam in front of non-Muslims. The real plague were the 2nd generation kids who were neither Europeans nor Muslims. Now those, especially the Algerians, accounted for the vast majority of crime and they were truly a horror to put up with: arrogant, loud, uneducated and very aggressive. These Maghrebians typically would mix with 2nd generation Black Africans and form the core of almost all the gangs of criminal thugs roaming around. And none of them, zero, were Muslims in any sense of the word, not religious not cultural. Again, I speak of long and personal experience, so please don’t come tell me that I don’t know Europe or Islam, because I do, very well in fact.

[Sidebar: I cannot speak of Turks/Kurds in Germany simply because I have not spend enough time in these circles and I am not qualified to have an opinion about them]

So my Europe was stolen from me not once, but twice and while I weep over the Europe of my youth, I absolutely loathe the Europe of the European Union. Every time I see Hollande, Stoltenberg or Tusk, my stomach turns and I feel like cursing. They make me absolutely sick. I hate the Europe of Charlie Hebdo, of BHL, of Harlem Desir, the Europe of Conchita Wurst or of Dalia Grybauskaitė (there goes a typical European name, right?).

Modern French thugs

Street thugs in Paris today

London now looks like Karachi, Paris like Ouagadougou, Rome like Târgu-Mures. This is absolutely disgusting, revolting and suicidal. To say so has absolutely nothing to do with racism and only a person totally devoid from any real cultural roots can misinterpret the horror of those who see their cities and cultural roots being smashed by waves of non-integratable immigrants as a form of racism. You don’t believe me?

Let me tell you this: in France there are a lot of Maghrebians who are now horrified to see their (usually poor) neighborhood being literally run over by Romanian Gypsies while in Switzerland you have more or less integrated ex-Yugoslavs who now watch in horror as their putatively “fellow” ex-Yugoslavs run the cocaine business. How many Swiss citizens do you think you would fine in a Swiss jail? Nobody knows, but my guess is less than 15%.

The worst part of it all is that both the Right and the Left are equally responsible for this state of affairs.

Pompidou

Lionized by Time, of course

Originally, the main impulse to bring immigrants to Europe came from the Right, from the organized corporate managers who wanted cheap labor at any cost. As always, if you look deeper, the force behind the corporations were the banks. It is of no coincidence that in France is all began with Georges Pompidou who, before being President, was a General Manager at N. M. Rothschild & Sons Bank. Pompidou, who came to power following the CIA’s “color revolution” known as “Mai 68″ succeeded a real French patriot, General de Gaulle, who had attempted to de-couple France from her AngloZionst masters and who was subsequently overthrown in a bizarre revolution which already saw Trotskists and CIA agents working hand in hand to achieve regime change in France.

All the French Right cared for was profit, profit and profit. The French workers were superbly unionized, they have achieved remarkable social and labor rights and the French capitalists simply could not turn them into the kind of right-less workforce they needed, so the imported them from abroad.

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Bernard Henri Levi and Harlem Desir

As for the Left, it saw in this influx of immigrants a fantastic political opportunity to achieve the kind of societal change it always wants to achieve: a wholesale destruction of any form of tradition, national identity and religion.

The French Zionists, in particular, saw a fantastic opportunity to weaken the French national identity by branding it as by definition racist. This is how they did it.

President François Mitterrand wanted to split the French Right in order to win the elections, so he personally ordered the main French TV channel to make a long interview with the leader of the National Front, Jean-Marie Le Pen. This interview is what really put the National Front in the spotlight and the tactic worked. The French Right was split and it still is, by the way. The the French Socialists joined forces with the Israel Lobby and created a movement called “Touche pas à mon pote” (don’t touch my pal) headed by a guy called Harlem Desir (I kid you not!). Their mission? To fight the alleged racism of the French people. Sounds familiar? Create a problem and then ‘solve it’ (“Zionism 101″). This operation worked superbly and made any discussion of immigration tantamount to racism.

Harlem-desir

France: from King Clovis to this…

Now that the EU has replaced Europe, the Right and the Left have logically fused into what I call the “Extreme Center” – the same globalist model with, on one hand, wants to eliminate all the borders while, on the other, dismantling all social regulations protecting the working class from exploitation by the Capitalists.

Sorry for this long excursion in the past, but I want you to understand why I am always so angry when I write about today’s “Europe”: I am angry because I remember “yesterday’s Europe” very well, because I saw it killed step by step before my eyes, because I personally lived through every stage of this slow murder and because I absolutely loathe the pseudo-Europe which the Zionists are building on the aches of the old Europe.

A few more comments:

Gladio: yes, I know about Gladio, I remember the bombing in Bologna and the kidnapping of Aldo Moro. Could the latest bombings be a Gladio v2? Yes, absolutely, but this in no way impinges in the fundamental thesis that uncontrolled emigration is a moral threat to Europe and an ideal vector for the penetration by terrorists. Just remember that Daesh is CIA-controlled anyway, and that whether the handlers are in Raqqa or Brussels makes no difference. The Takfiris have always been the CIA’s footsoliders.

The US role: huge. The EU is essentially a US project via the Bilderbergers and the Zionist lobby in Europe. The EU today is run by a comprador elite which is totally subservient to AngloZionist interests. What real Europeans wanted was the “Europe des patries” (the Europe of fatherlands) which de Gaulle advocated. We all know what happened to de Gaulle for daring to oppose the AngloZionists Empire.

Russia: this is interesting. I see no Schadenfreude amongst Russians, none at all. First, most Russians simply like Europe, especially southern Europe with which we feel a much stronger connection. But we also admire the northern Europeans for their undeniable achievements. Furthermore, Russians know, through their own bitter past, that good people can live under a disgusting regime. This is also why Russians don’t usually blame regular US Americans for the policies of the ruling 1%. But what bothers Russians the most is the abject servility of most Europeans in front of an abject regime. The great Russian philosopher Ivan Solonevich used to write that “the Germans are not better organized, they are easier to organize”. What he meant by that is the be it under the Nazis or under the US occupation, the Germans would be exceptionally obedient and willing to be ordered around. In contrast, the Russian people are far more freedom loving and even anarchistic and they always rebel against any authority they don’t respect.

[Sidebar: dubious about this? Consider this: the Germans actually elected Hitler and then obeyed him up until his death. In comparison, the Soviet regime came to power in 1917 but only achieved stability in 1946(!) after a huge civil war, many insurrections, bloody repressions, bloody purges and a terrible war which saw, for the first time in Russian history, millions of Russians switch sides. Even after 1946 – the year of the last big wave of repressions – the Soviets still feared their own population up to 1991, and for good reason, would I add].

I personally expect that the first explosion against the EU will come from France, a country which, like Russia, has a deep, almost visceral, attachment to freedom and which will, I am certain, eventually blow up. When that happens, it will be violent and bloody (alas, another French – and Russian – tradition). I think that the AngloZionists will go to unimaginable levels of depravity and dishonesty to prevent it, but my money stays on France as the first country in the EU to rise up against the Empire. Why? Because the other candidates, Greece, Spain or Italy, will always “look over the shoulders” whereas the French will simply explode in rage with no regard to the consequences (in that the French are much more like the Russians). Plus the French will always hate the Anglos anyway.

Islam: Fact 1: Muslims are here to stay. You can hate it or love it, but that is a fact. Fact 2: Islam, realIslam as opposed to Wahabi Islam, is categorically opposed to AngloZionism. I think that Islam will be one of the forces which will eventually help to “clean house” in Europe. Wahhabism on the other hand, will have to be completely and totally eliminated from Europe. This is a mortal threat to all of civilized mankind, a threat which cannot be negotiated with and which must be totally eliminated.

The Ottomans: Call me crazy, but I am coming the conclusion that Turkey, at least in its present form, is inherently a dangerous and non-reformable entity which must be beat back to a size and quality commensurate with the notion of “normal country”. Just look at the past couple of decades. The Turks were involved in: Cyprus, Kurdistan, Chechnia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Crimea, Lebanon and Syria! How is that for a terrorism-support scorecard? Does anybody remember that Turkey does still occupy half of Cyprus and that the Turkish military has been bombing and attacking Kurds in Syria and Iraq for decades already. Clearly, the “imperial virus” has not been eradicated in this ex-Empire and this rot must be eliminated until Turkey finally becomes what all other former empires have become: a normal country, like Greece or Holland. By the way, the only thing which currently keeps Turkey together and gives it a kind of immunity is, of course, the protection of the United States, NATO aka the AngloZionist Empire. Get rid of one, and the other will soon follow.

The *real* Left: there used to be a real Left in Europe. And, unlike the modern ‘caviar-Left’ it was really patriotic. The French Communist Party leader Georges Marchais saw through the Capitalists plan to import masses of immigrants and he denounced that as a conspiracy against both the local French and the immigrants. Some of his speeches sound very similar to what Jean-Marie Le Pen has repeated for decades. The real left has now been completely eliminated from Europe or, if it exists somewhere, it is too small to make a difference.

The *real* Right: The National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen used to be the real deal, even if it was carefully manipulated by the French Socialists. But ever since his daughter Marine came to power, the National Front has been totally coopted by the Zionists and from a popular and labor movement it has now turned into the typical Capitalist pseudo-Right which is sold out to the system and unable to even peep a word against the Zionists. There is a real Right left in France, mostly around Traditionalist “Catholic” (Latin) circles but, just as with the real Left, it is too small to really make a difference.

Sorry for this long rant. My heart hurts over this topic and it is painful for me to write about. Please don’t come and pester me about spelling or grammar or other inexactitudes. I wrote this in one shot, off the cuff, and at the kind of warp-speed typing I do when I am emotional about something (heck, I won’t even bother re-reading it or check for typos). Though I will post this under the “analysis” section, I do that only because this is a follow-up to my analysis yesterday. But, as you can tell, an analysis this is not – this is just a frustrated and angry rant about what has been done to the place were I was born and which I still love.

To end on something personal and beautiful, I leave you with this GoogleEarth photo of the place in Greece where, as a kid, I learned how to free-dive (decades before the movie “The Big Blue” made freediving a trendy sport): the rocks near the village of Αγία Μαρίνα (Saint Marina), on the island of Aegina. I visited this place at the age of 12 for the first time and this is also were I spent my honeymoon, almost 23 years ago. This is also one of the places I call ‘home’.

Αγία Μαρίνα

(Reprinted from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. So sad. In every place Jews have been allowed to settle, Jewish leftists and Jewish rightists have competed to destroy the native population. For centuries, European leaders recognized this and expelled the Jews — exploiter and exploited alike. Since Jews became a global power, however, they have despoiled and subjugated every free people. The only force they fear now is Islam, which they disrupt and provoke to keep the public obsessed with the terror, but which through its Jewish-like obsession with building networks to obtain money and power, may ultimately overcome the US and thus the world.

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  2. As someone who is often rather critical towards him on ideological issues, I have to say The Saker hits this one out of the ballpark.

    But then all hell broke lose with the arrival of the “Arabs” from the Maghreb (northern Africa) who were not all, or even really, “Arabs” but nevermind that, and sub-Saharan (Black) Africans. Can you imagine what it feels like to see *real* Africans in larger and larger numbers all over your home town when you used to joke that the border with Africa was Carouge (I repeat that example because I consider it very telling)? It felt like a plague, even if nobody was willing to admit it…. The real plague were the 2nd generation kids who were neither Europeans nor Muslims. Now those, especially the Algerians, accounted for the vast majority of crime and they were truly a horror to put up with: arrogant, loud, uneducated and very aggressive. These Maghrebians typically would mix with 2nd generation Black Africans and form the core of almost all the gangs of criminal thugs roaming around. And none of them, zero, were Muslims in any sense of the word, not religious not cultural. Again, I speak of long and personal experience, so please don’t come tell me that I don’t know Europe or Islam, because I do, very well in fact.

    Incidentally, I have read somewhere that a lot of the Blacks living in proximity to Muslim ghettoes in places like Bradford, England have been converting to Islam and going from race warring with the local Muslim gangs to being a big happy Mohameddan family. Any truth to this?

    This is absolutely disgusting, revolting and suicidal. To say so has absolutely nothing to do with racism and only a person totally devoid from any real cultural roots can misinterpret the horror of those who see their cities and cultural roots being smashed by waves of non-integratable immigrants as a form of racism.

    You should work on eliminating your conditioned reflexes on getting called a racist. Come on, it’s The Current Year. Racism is kosher now. ;)

    I see no Schadenfreude amongst Russians, none at all. First, most Russians simply like Europe, especially southern Europe with which we feel a much stronger connection. But we also admire the northern Europeans for their undeniable achievements.

    This is a very accurate observation. It is my impression too that most Russians consider themselves more at home in places like Greece or Italy than in Germany. I do however see considerable Schadenfreude, especially on the Internet but even in RL when bad things happen to “tolerast” Yuropeans. Its understandable if not very saintly.

    I too expect the Revolution to kick off in France, should the nationalist wave outpace the rising immigrant flood anywhere.

    You can hate it or love it, but that is a fact. Fact 2: Islam, realIslam as opposed to Wahabi Islam, is categorically opposed to AngloZionism. I think that Islam will be one of the forces which will eventually help to “clean house” in Europe.

    Allying with kebab to remove bagel is a risky strategy to say the least. One asks how many concessions ala Houellebecq that would require…

    there used to be a real Left in Europe. And, unlike the modern ‘caviar-Left’ it was really patriotic. The French Communist Party leader Georges Marchais saw through the Capitalists plan to import masses of immigrants and he denounced that as a conspiracy against both the local French and the immigrants. Some of his speeches sound very similar to what Jean-Marie Le Pen has repeated for decades. The real left has now been completely eliminated from Europe or, if it exists somewhere, it is too small to make a difference.

    I don’t think so. The National Front is the most consistently nationalist, anti-immigrant, and (relatively) Russophile force in French politics – even according to opinion polls sorted by party affiliation. The Commies are the opposite on all those issues. The age of the Old Left is all gone, what’s left now is just the Islam-pandering #RegressiveLeft.

    But ever since his daughter Marine came to power, the National Front has been totally coopted by the Zionists and from a popular and labor movement it has now turned into the typical Capitalist pseudo-Right which is sold out to the system and unable to even peep a word against the Zionists. There is a real Right left in France, mostly around Traditionalist “Catholic” (Latin) circles but, just as with the real Left, it is too small to really make a difference.

    The traditionalist French Right has near zero political power. As of today, it’s the FN or nothing – like it or not.

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  3. It takes both sides to want to integrate but the negotiations for said integration begin either before or after.

    tweaking how people interact through social engineering will create a severe backlash in the form of generational blowback. what we see today is only the top of the iceberg, when society at its’ plurality shows up and begins to act out what they really believe that is in contrast to the ‘perceived’ norms of what was done to build up a controllable, pliable, body politic everyone will be in shock.

    it is sad that nobody believe in the impossible until it is present and exits. when the volcano erupts no amount of media manipulation, or state ‘direction’ will work. all the institutes that profess power will seem completely useless. there are no outlets anymore everything is under control, which implies that there is no control anymore at all. it no longer exists, Europe is simply operating by inertia, politicians and the public are clueless that this is the state of affairs.

    all that is left is a nudge by an unforeseen event… that is all
    http://www.lushfun.com

  4. I was born in Iowa in 1944. My country also has been stolen. I also am angry.

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    Letting muslims come to Europe was the greatest mistake ever made in all of European history.

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  6. What is happening to Europe is a tragedy. The people running Europe and the US for the last 50 or 60 years have been the worst leaders in history because they are traitors to their own people.

    It’s interesting that you mention capitalism. Business is one of the biggest immigration and multicultural/diversity pushers there is.

    Capitalism not communism might bring about the end of the West. Europe will be European in name only.

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  7. You would expel the Anglo-Zionists, and let the Moslems stay? Why?

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    the Muslims, and here I mean the really religious and pious Muslims, were always respectful of the law and excellent neighbors … snip …and that they are very careful about showing a refined, educated and proper image of Islam in front of non-Muslims. The real plague were the 2nd generation kids who were neither Europeans nor Muslims.

    I agree that is what happened but you’re wrong about the mechanism.

    1) When people are in small numbers they are on their best behavior. When the numbers increase it changes.

    2) When numbers were small involvement in visible crime was small but they had no respect for the local laws in other areas: fraud, welfare, tax etc.

    3) One aspect of the second point – lack of respect for local laws – factors into the first. People from those more clannish parts of the world were the ones who first imported huge numbers of illegal workers from their home country to undercut local wages: restaurants, construction, shop workers etc.

    Muslims are here to stay.

    No.

    #

    I loved the languages (I speak Spanish, German, French, Italian), I loved the beautiful diversity of people, the music, the food, the landscapes, the accents and beautiful buildings

    as for the UK, it was never European in the least. If anything, the UK was always anti-European and the worst enemy of Europe

    There is some truth in the idea that the UK has always been semi-detached and a lot of truth in the idea that the London banks are an enemy but one of the reasons that Europe was until very recently still a patchwork quilt of diverse cultures and nations is Britain stopped any single nation taking over.

    Having said that I’d agree that currently Britain has been totally hijacked by the banks and is effectively one of the bad guys.

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  9. You are right about the Saker being pretty much right about everything in this article.

    … it’s the FN or nothing – like it or not.

    You are also right about this. I think Jean-Marie Le Pen is great but he and other people need to realize the FN is no longer a gigantic IRL trolling prank but is actually a political party trying to win power via elections. Twisting the “Zionists” tail is fun but it’s a hobby we can no longer indulge in during this long crisis we’re in. J-M Le Pen can go ahead and enjoy his sunset years trolling the world but he can’t expect everyone else to play along indefinitely.

    I don’t understand what the Saker means when he says the FN “has been totally coopted by the Zionists and from a popular and labor movement it has now turned into the typical Capitalist pseudo-Right which is sold out to the system and unable to even peep a word against the Zionists”. The FN consistently speaks out against globalism, against chamber of commerce groups who push for imported cheap labour, against the banksters etc.

  10. “…from a popular and labor movement it has now turned into the typical Capitalist pseudo-Right which is sold out to the system and unable to even peep a word against the Zionists.”

    To continue fighting, one must first survive. Reduced to guerrilla warfare, you have to blend in or die.

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    Although you consider it a “rant” it is a very good analysis. Thank you for that and hopefully some “Gutmenschen” (good people, those who welcome the invasion) will read you and start to think by themeselves…

  12. The real plague were the 2nd generation kids who were neither Europeans nor Muslims.

    There is a slight flaw in Saker’s logic here: namely, where do 2nd generation immigrants come from if not from 1st generation immigrants? If one wants to keep out the former, then you have no choice but to keep out the latter as well. The fact is, Islam is a middle eastern religion which has no place whatsoever in an Occidental nation. It evolved for a very different landscape and culture–not ours. That’s ultimately why it does not adapt very well to our civilization. It was not made for it.

    But on this point, Saker wants to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to defend the 1st generation immigrants, while bemoaning the long-term effect that all of this immigration has had on Europe. I see this as part of his strange notion that Russian Orthodoxy and ‘true’ Islam (whatever that means) are somehow natural allies in the struggle against ‘decadent Western secularism’. This bizarre idea of his forces him to ignore the various contradictions in his own thinking.

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  13. So sad. In every place Jews have been allowed to settle, Jewish leftists and Jewish rightists have competed to destroy the native population. For centuries, European leaders recognized this and expelled the Jews — exploiter and exploited alike. Since Jews became a global power, however, they have despoiled and subjugated every free people. The only force they fear now is Islam, which they disrupt and provoke to keep the public obsessed with the terror, but which through its Jewish-like obsession with building networks to obtain money and power, may ultimately overcome the US and thus the world.

    A list of Great Countries zero Jewish , Zionist or Israeli population of influence whatsoever .
    Pakistan , Afghanistan , Sudan , Mauritania , Somalia , Algeria , Libya , Tunisia , Iran , Bangladesh ,Burkina Faso , Mali , Chechnya , North Korea , Indonesia , Djibouti , Yemen .

    http://news.trust.org/item/20160327150234-v8xig

    By the way . Your Islamic buddies send their warmest Easter wishes to you !!!!!
    52 killed in park in Pakistan filled with Christians for Easter Holiday . Mostly women and children killed .

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  14. Neither because he will never get the opportunity to do either . For what its worth . Andrei the Faker , who hates anglozionism and loves muslims , lives in Florida USA .

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    I think you should take a longer view of what will happen to Europe with non-white immigration. The non-whites will produce the next generation with whites and after that another generation of further mixed will be born. After 3 generations there will be stability and also unity as most people in Switzerland and elsewhere in Western Europe will look Mediterranean and be mixed race.

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  16. “Chechnya” is a region, not a country, you jerk.

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  17. [Sidebar: when I say “Europe” I mean Western Europe, the real Europe, the one which was occupied by NATO, not the eastern part, occupied by the WTO (Warsaw Treaty Organization, it was never called a “Pact” – this is US propaganda), which never was really Europe anyway. No offense to anybody, but for me the notion that Poland or Bulgaria are part of Europe is laughable. ]

    Stopped reading here. I hope the author gets to enjoy lots of well deserved muslim dicks in his superior ‘european’ ass in his cuck countries. Meanwhile we inferior ‘non-europeans’ in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia, etc remain white.

  18. > The people running Europe and the US for the last 50 or 60 years have been the worst leaders in history because they are traitors to their own people.

    They haven’t betrayed their fellow jews.

  19. I don’t feel like discussing what the central and eastern European countries ought to be called, maybe “eastern European” is okay, but they never were in any way part of western Europe.

    Seeing the slow and painful death of western Europe one can only call it a blessing. Long after Saker’s Europe is gone, we who have never been in any way part of it, we will still be here looking at the smouldering ruins of true Europe’s arrogance.

  20. [No offense to anybody, but for me the notion that Poland or Bulgaria are part of Europe is laughable.]
    Stopped reading at this point.

    Fuck you, you ignorant idiot. Go and read some history, fucking idiot. This is the last Saker;s piece I will ever read.

  21. I liked this rant by Saker. This rant is full of flaws but he showed his emotions and where he is coming from. He is more human for me now. His previous analyses on Russia and Syria were contrived. You could feel the pain of labour he went through trying to be kind of objective. But his biases and prejudices were sticking up their heads all the time even though he was trying to hide them. He is not suited to be an analyst. He can’t serve two masters: the rational objective mind and the passions that are full of prejudice and bias. Let Saker be Saker. Let him be the partisan of his passions. I like him like that.

  22. Saker seems to ask: Jews or muslims? Are Jews responsible for the diversification of Europe’s population? Some of them are working very hard to transform European ethnic make up of European population via immigration:

    See Barbara Specter (of US/Israel/Sweden): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ (A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of Barbara Specter).

    “I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”

    Are Jews part of the bigger Plan or is the Plan Jewish? What about the ideological father of multicultural Europe Austro-Japanese aristocrat Coudenhove-Kalergi? This what he envision?

    “The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews.”

    He was not Jewish but as we can see in his vision Jews are to be spiritual nobility of Europe that apparently is not meant to be genetically diluted as the rest of Europeans. So people like Jean Monet, Alteiro Spinelli, Karl Deutsch, Ernst Bernard Haas, Bernard-Henri Lévy, Adam Michnik and many many others are the new aristocracy of Europe.

    But what about the terrorism? Is there a Jewish link? There are many. All going through Israel and the US (including Gladio and Turkey’s deep state of Donmeh). It is complicated but it can be safely stated that w/o Israeli Arab conflict there would be no muslim terrorists. The attacks are LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) or even MIHOP (mad it happen on purpose) by European security forces in conjunction with their Gladio and Mossad counterparts. So we, the people can’t do anything about it. The attacks will stop only when the objectives will be achieved. but we even do not know for sure what are the objectives.

    Can anything be done about it? Is Saker really serious that white and Christian Europeans can be aided by muslims to purge Zionists out of Europe? It seems that the terrorists attacks serve the purpose that there will be no alliance between muslims and Christians and instead the bond between Zionists and Europeans will be stronger fighting the specter of islamic terrorism.

    Or should we rather get the program of Anglo-Zio empire and busy ourselves in finding the best opportunities, jobs and career for our children? Could we become crypto Europeans, Christians in catacombs? Is any resistance futile?

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    Yeah, just like Brazil. What a great country Brazil is. No crime, no poverty, one of the world’s leading nations…….

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    Excellent post sir. May I commend you for saying it so well. It makes zero sense, is in fact a denial of logic itself, to say the “immigration problem” lies with the second generation and giving a pass to the first one. There can be NO second generation without a first one. So IF the second one is the “bad apple” but is itself only a by-product of the first “good one” then what is the point or value of immigration at all? By this reasoning immigration must ultimately turn into a bad thing. Its like a doctor giving you a pill that will make you feel great for a while then later kill you and the doc saying “the pill is great, it is only the after effects later that become a problem”.

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    “When people are in small numbers they are on their best behaviour. When the numbers increase it changes.”

    Excellent point. As Enoch Powell so truthfully said; “Its all about the numbers”. I am sure Muslims caused no trouble in the U.K., for example in the 1950′s. As late as 1961 there were only 50,000 Muslims in all of England and Wales. When people are only a few they have little means to get up to any mischief and are very vulnerable, so they have to not give offence (even if they FEEL otherwise). But there is strength in numbers! Muslim behaviour changes dramatically when they go from 0-2% of the population to 5-10% and becomes very, very dangerous when it is say, 12-25%. In the 1950′s England probably had as much trouble with its Muslim population as Poland does today. And for the same reason. People often mistake this “good” behaviour as “goodness”. But it isn’t. It is just a response to the reality of the current demographic situation.

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    I wouldn’t claim to have a crystal ball but if the first blowup against the EU comes from France then hopefully it will be so and come soon enough. However, aren’t the French the ones who started importing Africans into Europe to serve as their colonial troops against the Germans in the first world war? The Hungarians have an outspoken leader in Orban whose words travel beyond borders and makes other ears perk up. It seems the non-western Europeans are the ones who’ve resisted this demand that everyone commit collective suicide. Like the Poles helping defend Vienna in 1683 against the Turks while the French sent little help, perhaps it’s from these countries that the inspiration for the fightback will come. Islam is an inherently non-European, Asiatic intrusion that should be confined to the countries whose cultures are compatible with it. Europe needs a great housecleaning to undo the damage of the past seventy years.

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    The degree of racial tension in a military unit rises with the number of Blacks. Ten percent, no problem. Twenty percent, you’ve got conflict. Thirty percent, you’re got open hatred.

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  28. A list of Moslem countries, plus one Moslem region and a nutcase communist non-Moslem country is not an argument against keeping Jews’ hands off the levers of power.

  29. “All the French Right cared for was profit, profit and profit. The French workers were superbly unionized, they have achieved remarkable social and labor rights and the French capitalists simply could not turn them into the kind of right-less workforce they needed, so the imported them from abroad.

    “As for the Left, it saw in this influx of immigrants a fantastic political opportunity to achieve the kind of societal change it always wants to achieve: a wholesale destruction of any form of tradition, national identity and religion.

    “The French Zionists, in particular, saw a fantastic opportunity to weaken the French national identity by branding it as by definition racist. This is how they did it.”

    This is a remarkable analysis, in that it resembles how our democracy is being managed here in America. Certain aspects are either more or less extreme, taking into account the inverted totalitarianism by Wall Street, the empire center being Washington, the essentially conservative nature of even American liberals compared with those of Europe. American Zionists may not have had precisely the same motives. But the overall trends are recognizable and must come from essentially the same impetus.

  30. […] A Stolen Europe, by The Saker. This is self-confessed rant by a fifty-year old Swiss about the Europe that he says was stolen from him twice over, once by the EU project and once by too much immigration. Many interesting points, much of it non-PC, including: […]

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    Yes, an 85 IQ slave race to serve a global master race is the end result desired by the people responsible for this looming disaster.

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    I am sure Muslims caused no trouble in the U.K., for example in the 1950′s.

    Exactly. Growing blind anger will eventually take over but the real villains are the ones behind the project to destroy Europeans – who are mainly the banking mafia imo

    (Who I don’t think are “The Jews” exactly but usually end up seeming like they are.)

  33. Agree with the others: excellent post.

    Also, very astute observation by you: {I see this as part of his strange notion that Russian Orthodoxy and ‘true’ Islam (whatever that means) are somehow natural allies in the struggle against ‘decadent Western secularism’. This bizarre idea of his forces him to ignore the various contradictions in his own thinking.}

    Very strange notion indeed.

  34. To call the Warsaw Treaty a “Pact” is not improper. A pact is simply a treaty. That’s not propaganda, it’s just plain English.

    “…like Russia, has a deep, almost visceral, attachment to freedom….”

    This has never been true. Russians have never known full freedom and the very idea is, at best, academic in Russia. It’s why an idiot like Putin, who is dragging the country down, can be repeatedly elected.

    ” The Turks were involved in: Cyprus, Kurdistan, Chechnia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Crimea, Lebanon and Syria!”

    Really? Turks were involved in Cyprus in the early 70s and Syria. Perhaps Lebanon, but unliekly. But they were involved in the others it was quite covert. It is truly silly, however, to accuse them of involvement in Crimea and Chechnya, beyond condemning Russia’s actions there. Erdogan has been acting stupidly, and nothing like a man who can competently re-establish anything, much less keep what he has functioning.

    I find it rather interesting that you say you’re Swiss, but use “we” in referring to Russia. Which is it?

    I agree that, by and large, that the Europe of my youth is gone. European used to be confident in themselves and it showed in how they faced the world. The common market made sense, the EU, however, is a suffocating presence that simply needs to be thrown in the dust bin of history. I’m putting money on who will be first to rise against it, but the biggest cracks are in the UK, not France. Ironically, the UK tried, repeatedly to get in the common market, and DeGaulle was the main influence to keep them out.

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  35. The man loves “real Islam,” just not the twisted Wahhabi version. And since “real Islam” is virulently antisemitic, “real Islam” is the perfect elixir to cure Europe’s ailments. While Poland isn’t European, “real Islam” is as European as knockwurst on Oktoberfest.

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    Not just in a military unit sir. Anywhere. A neighbourhood. Workplace. ANY avenue of life. As their numbers increase the hatred increases. This has been my own personal experience. Working with blacks, especially Jamaicans was a real eye-opening experience for me. Once they feel there is enough of them, their true nature comes out and the “good behaviour” is dropped.

  37. Russians have never known full freedom and the very idea is, at best, academic in Russia. It’s why an idiot like Putin, who is dragging the country down, can be repeatedly elected.

    Hmmm. So what’s your theory on America?

    I find it rather interesting that you say you’re Swiss, but use “we” in referring to Russia. Which is it?

    He’s of Russian descent.

    … the EU, however, is a suffocating presence that simply needs to be thrown in the dust bin of history. I’m putting money on who will be first to rise against it, but the biggest cracks are in the UK, not France.

    I agree that the UK will be the first to leave, but their departure, by itself, won’t affect much. If France ever leaves, however, that will be a dagger through the heart of the EU. At that point, the European Union will really be nothing more than a German Union–and that will kill it in a hurry.

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  38. Indeed, much of European history was spent preventing muslims from getting into Europe, and ejecting those who had made it…

  39. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"]
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    How does PC work?

    Today, most experts in psychology agree that people use reason to rationalize a priori biases rooted in personal emotions. The prime formative period for associative emotional development is in childhood, and this is why ‘progressives’ are eager to emphasize early childhood education.

    They justify their policy on grounds of proper intellectual development during childhood, but their real goal is to indoctrinate young ones as early as possible.

    Thus, certain images, sounds, and ideas — such as those associated with MLK and KKK — are made to form the basis of emotional references and responses in the young ones. With such PC hallowing of the childhood soul, it’s no wonder that so many millennials have kneejerk emotional commitment to ‘anti-racism’ and worship of the Noble Negro. Even when millennials use reason, it only serves the core emotional assumptions seeded into them in childhood.

  40. Germans actually elected Hitler and then obeyed him up until his death. In comparison, the Soviet regime came to power in 1917 but only achieved stability in 1946(!) after a huge civil war, many insurrections, bloody repressions, bloody purges and a terrible war which saw, for the first time in Russian history, millions of Russians switch sides.

    A third of Germans voted for Hitler in the last free elections. The Germans can be blamed for the Bolshevik takeover, because they sent Lenin into Russia to destabilise it, and funded him. Germany is also to blame for opening the door to Turkey, Merkel has revived the old alliance. Not just the WW1 Berlin Baghdad express, it goes back to the better Turk than Pope alliance between the Ottomans and the opponents of the Holy Roman Empire.

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  41. But ever since his daughter Marine came to power, the National Front has been totally coopted by the Zionists and from a popular and labor movement it has now turned into the typical Capitalist pseudo-Right which is sold out to the system and unable to even peep a word against the Zionists

    Is there no limit to your gayness? They tried being an anti Israel party and it got them absolutely nowhere because French people don’t give a shit about the Palestinians. Once the NF stopped talking about Israel, they got a lot more popular. The BNP failed to take of in the UK because the British people don’t care about the Palestinians. But the UKIP has been very successful because they never mention the Palestinians. Europeans don’t care about the Palestinians, never have, never will, and nothing you say or do can change that.

    You say that Europeans need to accept that Islam isn’t going anywhere. I agree with you, but look in the fucking mirror, you homo. Israel has 150 nuclear weapons and we make 4 more every year. There is no way you can possibly get rid of us unless you are willing to lose 150 of your largest population centers and then lose another 3 billion people in the following nuclear winter. Islam (a beautiful religion, IMO) isn’t going anywhere, but neither are we.

    Your gay Russia however, is dying. It has negative growth rate and massive brain drain to the West. It failed against 10,000 disorganized clowns of ISIS in Syria. Your entire economy is based on oil and the oil price crash is killing it.

    Iran is dying too. In the next war the entirety of the Lebanese people will be physically exterminated, along with the bulk of the Iranian people and literally 10s of millions of Palestinians, Syrians, Saudis, Jordanians and Egyptians. And you will do absolutely nothing to stop us, but rather will console yourself by writing stupid articles on Unz.

    You could at least humor your readers by offering us a plan on how you will get rid of Israel. Honestly, at this point you owe me that much as repayment for my selflessly reading your repetitive garbage and for attempting to educate you.

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  42. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"]
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    PC taboos have a muting effect on certain voices. If prevailing taboos encourage certain kind of talk while discouraging others, then people will only hear one side of the story. In Martin Scorsese’s documentary ITALIAN AMERICAN, his mother does far more talking that the father.

    She dominates the narrative. The talker always wins whether his/her account is true or not because we only get to hear his/her side of the story. The non-talker may actually be in the right, but we will never know since he never says anything.

    The Muting Method is a key weapon of PC that favors the talk of liars and threatens the talk of truth-tellers. It’s like blacks are encouraged to have ‘the talk’ with their kids, but when John Derbyshire had his own ‘talk’ with his kids and posted it online, he was summarily attacked not only by Liberals but by ‘cuckservatives’.
    PC has the power to hit the ‘mute button’, and disabling this button is the first step toward freedom. It isn’t easy to resist the power of this ‘mute button’ since the mechanism has been programmed into us. When Libs hit the ‘mute button’, WE go silent since we’ve been engineered to fear disapproval of the powers-that-be. And we know that if we disobey the ‘mute button’ and keep saying our say, we can be exiled from respectable community.

    We can’t resist this power alone, so we must form into groups and seek power in numbers and unity. In traditional society, the ‘mute button’ favored the patriarch. Even when wrong and unjust, the patriarch had the power of talk and could blame everything on his wife and kids, even if they were innocent. Since society favored the patriarch who held the ‘mute button’, the wife and kids had to remain silent. Therefore, listeners assumed that the patriarch is a man of honor while the wife and kids are to blame for whatever problem. Since traditional values commanded that wife and kids respect and obey the father, even a father-in-the-wrong could sound righteous and true. There is a sense of this in the Old Testament, a kind of Jewish-Father-Knows-Best.

    In our world, the game is Globalists-Negroes-Homos-Know-Best, and they can say just about whatever. Blacks can tell lies about ‘white racism’, globalists can tell lies about Russia and Iran, and homos can tell lies about how Reagan’s ‘indifference’ was responsible for all the dead homos killed by HIV.

    And the rest of us better remain silent in mute obeisance to the favored groups. For truth and justice, we need counter-voice, counter-talk, counter-narrative.

  43. Your gay Russia however, is dying. It has negative growth rate and massive brain drain to the West. It failed against 10,000 disorganized clowns of ISIS in Syria. Your entire economy is based on oil and the oil price crash is killing it.

    Congratulations. I have rarely seen such an impressively dense concentration of stupidity.

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  44. Top ranting, almost up to Old Holborn standards.
    But tell me, “bro”, is you R1b, (western europe gold standard), or is you R1a (them cabbage & sausage guys) in the paternal line? Or even primitive I, G2 and remnant J2 haplotypes?
    Counts for a lot, particularly among us halfwitted inbred celtic geezers. Expound your illustrious, indigenous ancient lineage, sir! … or retreat from thy self-determined fortress and relocate somewhat further toward Mordor, and the East.

  45. The Empire On Which The Sun Never Sets also chucked a shedload of (mainly “Indian”, dot-not-feather: plus impossibly noble, and insanely ferocious Muslim (tribals from further east, not ragheads), Nepali and Maori warriors, ANZACS, Pacific Islanders etc. ) into the mire of Flanders which will be the Death Of Us All, and has been since Prince Harry’s days (Bruxelles, are you listening?

    Canucks, Askaris, you name it. All grist to the revolting processes of European sausage&nation-making, under the financiers’ mandate.
    When we’re all dead, we shall have some Peace.

    I’m doin’ my bit, sir! Gorblimey if I ain’t! Taken up heavy-duty smoking (pipe) again, in my sixth decade. I have no intention of troubling the doctor and that.
    Ghurkali, Samoans, Selous Scouts most welcome, bless you, you have bled with us in the line, better men than us, for the most part.
    W*g chancers, GTF.

  46. Where am I wrong?

    1. Russia is gay. FACT.
    2. Russia’s economy is based on oil exports. FACT.
    3. The crash in oil prices is hurting the Russian economy. FACT.
    4. Russia has utterly failed to defeat ISIS. FACT.
    5. The ethnic Russian population is a below replacement birth rate. FACT.
    6. Russia suffers from massive brain drain to the West. FACT.

    maybe in Russia speaking the truth is considered “stupidity”. I don’t pretend to understand how you Slavs operate.

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  47. ‘This is absolutely disgusting, revolting and suicidal. To say so has absolutely nothing to do with racism’

    actually it does, and until euros can start getting over that and recognising it can be OK in some forms, and it become OK to admit to being it, there is no hope (this is still a big hangup for ‘alt right’ types I think – still in the closet really…)

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    On the SJW mentality. Why are these kids so ridiculous? Why are they easily triggered?

    Consider which group is dominant in defining our culture.

    Homos tend to be hysterical and bitchy. Our society’s worship of homos encourage young ones(even straight ones) to throw hissy fits like Chris “Leave Britney Alone” Crocker.

    Millennials are a bunch of Crockers.

    Like the oh-tho-thenthitive homos, they throw hissy fits about everything. They make mountains out of molehills. They bitch about victimhood but act like pampered princelings.

    It’s like princess and the pea story. These kids are so pampered that they think a pea is a boulder.

    And the Establishment condones this sort of thing as an attack on the Right.

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    “The Germans can be blamed for the Bolshevik takeover..”

    I am inclined to blame the American president Woodrow Wilson. His declaration of war in April 1917 made it essential to get Russia out of the war ASAP. Otherwise the Central Powers could have waited until events played themselves out on their own. Even more probable would have been a negotiated peace in 1917 had the USA minded its own business and avoided what was essentially a European war of imperialism. Europe was ready for peace in 1917 and it was only the likely prospect of final victory with American aid that allowed the war to continue for another year.

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  50. The Germans did not know the future and had no idea that Lenin would be as successful as he was, let alone that his followers would rule Russia for seventy years. Their allowing him to return had nothing to do with Wilson. Nor was any war participant but Austria-Hungary ready for peace at that time.

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    Well, just keep on blaming the Germans for just about everything. History wouldn’t even happen if the Germans wouldn’t be constantly up to something bad. No one has any agency but the Germans.

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    You are wrong about 5 & 6. As for 1, I have regularly seen transvestites on the Moscow Metro. I have never observed them on the London Tube. Are UK transvestites better dressed? fewer in proportion? more afraid of violence (unlikely in Central London)? Are Russian transvestites deliberately being provocative?

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    The past is another country. Always was. Always will be. You can never go back there. The earth keeps turning. Black and white thinking is a precursor to much mental illness.

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    I think it was Catullus who said “The country is going to the dogs.”

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    Disturbing though it is to agree with Saker, the EU of the 15 was the place to stop for at least a generation. The Ossis could have been given an associate membership like Norway or Turkey. The Eastward expansion was a plot by the British and Scandinavian Right to undermine deepening of the EU. A rather partial success as the Ossis have become devoted deepeners on most issues. (The Russian fascist idea that the EU’s expansion to the East is a plot against them is laughable delusion about the importance of Russia). One reason for Russia’s reversal of position on the EU was the realization that it would be entering on the same terms as Bulgaria (Putin’s word). Russia wouldn’t get those now. Corruption in Bulgaria (& the other Ossis) is remarkable. Greece should have been a warning.

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    Well, there’s the British Empire too.

    Criticism of Russia is nasty Russophobia. Hate speech against the US, Germany, UK, France is fair comment. Russian measurements of “Anti-Russian” press articles mean nothing until they measure Anti German or Anti American articles too. Degree of Antiness=Degree of Power. Russia is not in top position.

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    Wrong. It had EVERYTHING to do with Wilson. They HAD to get Russia out of the war FAST before America sent millions of doughboys to the western front. Since the Kerensky government was committed to keeping Russia in the war, they had to dig up Lenin to get Russia to fold.

    Your also wrong about only the Habsburgs suffering from war-weariness. The French army would mutiny that summer and Italy almost collapse at Caporetto.

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  58. You have a gift for random capitalisation, but evidently not for argument, since you have not produced any.
    Obviously many individuals on all sides were heartily sick of the war by April 1917. The leadership of every state but the Dual Monarchy, however, were not ready to consider stopping without having achieved close to their maximal war aims, just as I said.

  59. Quite frankly, I think the chances of your suffering from some strange sexual and perceptual divagation considerably greater than those of your actually having seen many trannies on the Moscow metro, but still less than those of your simply making it up, my mendacious troll friend.

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  60. I’m sure he knows that trivial technical detail and I only waste time on the trivia of your comment in order to suggest that arrogantly blunt rudeness like yours is unhelpful to worthwhile conversation.

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  61. Ah, I see our Saker friend has woken up. Anyone going his way? I’ll help you get him into the car. Make sure he gets inside. And if it looks as if his old Mum is awake tell her he’s OK, he was his brilliant best, but he’ll probably still need a cold compress for his head in the morning.

  62. Who got there first with the jibe about Africa and borders? At a party given by my Roman friend and host I observed to one of his friends from Milan that my host had said when I spoke glowingly of my visit to Naples “Oh, we say Africa begins at Naples” to which the Milanese said “And we say Africa begins at Rome”.

  63. Un cri de coeur that resonates in my breast. Something tragic and increasingly irreversible has happened, is happening, even accelerating. God bless the French and Russians for spilling their blood first, but as always, following the example of history, the rest of us will not be spared and indeed our sacrifices will be necessary to get the job done right.

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    Is it a Divine Edict that Islam is here to stay in Europe? If European Men have the will to expel the Muslims..it will be done. Different genelines are competing for scarce Living and Breeding Space in Europe.

    I’m reading a book by one of the worlds top experts on Mountain Gorilla social behavior. She also happens to be the daughter of the very famous American Actor Jimmy Steward. Here is what I take away from her research:Humans are a glorified great ape species…but we are still a great ape species. Muslims are a different tribe..not our racial-ethnic kind. My prediction:European men will expel the Muslims. The raping of European Women is not acceptable and not forgivable …as is the gang raping of Scandanavian American Teenage Girls in Minnesota by Somalian “American” Muslim Yoots.

  65. Wow

    the day the anti-racist looks at what he has wrought, sees how bad it sucks, and then blames the “right wingers” for it

    Islam: Fact 1: Muslims are here to stay. You can hate it or love it, but that is a fact. … …. I think that Islam will be one of the forces which will eventually help to “clean house” in Europe.

    Islam is going to “clean house” in Europe eh?

    Now I know why Germans voted for Hitler. Why the French are voting for Le Pen, and why I will be voting for Trump.

    You liberals are literally insane!

    and then when your anti-European “Muslims are here to stay” suicidal insanity destroys the very last sublime places on this earth, you cry like a baby at what you have done. And try to blame it on ‘right wingers’. It’s beyond pathetic, really.

    Europe belongs to the European people, and yes, that does include the Poles and Estonians and Hungarians, who’re a thousand times more European than you could ever be, no matter what your hurt little feelings tell you. A German has a million times more in common with a Pole than they do with a Turk or a Kurd or a Somali or a German speaking black African born in Germany. That thing you said about the UK not being part of Europe is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read.

    All your solipsistic angst and contradictory musings notwithstanding

    The reason Europe is being overrun is because Jews control the Federal Reserve Bank and that gives them the power to buy and bribe or bully all the corrupt governments of Europe. Many Jews hate and resent Western Civilization because it isn’t theirs. Many of them are ego maniacs (mostly because of their hysterically preposterous uber-ethnocentric [Nazi on steroids] religion) and demand that everything in the world revolve around them. And so they hate and want to destroy what’s beautiful and sublime, if it isn’t their beauty. Or their creation.

    They’re like that evil queen from Snow White, who when they look in the mirror, and are told they aren’t ‘the fairest in the land’, seek out to destroy that which is the “fairest in the land”, so that when that blonde bitch is dead, then they’ll be the prettiest!

    It really is that simple.

    And all the assorted butt-hurt liberals and anti-racists and jihad homos railing against the ‘right wingers’- who simply want to maintain the ‘white’ and European Europe of their ancestors, are nothing more than the Jewish led orcs descending on Europe in order to destroy her once and for all.

    Let’s hope Le Pen and Orban and Putin and Wilders and others can prevail and find a way to gently herd the Muslims back into Africa and the Middle East where they belong, eh?

    That’s how you save Europe. Not by blaming the ‘right wingers’ and pining for the day when Islam “cleans house” in Europe.

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  66. that’s some video Priss

    I can easily imagine some of the liberals I know expressing the exact sentiments in exactly the same way if you replace the name Britney with Obama

    ‘he inherited this mess from Bush! From the Republicans! And now people are blaming him!!! He’s a human!!! All you people want is more, more, more!!!’

    It’s perfect!

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    If you are a real MAN…then there are certain things worth dying for. The mass expulsion of Muslims is one of those things worth dying for. Saker writes that statement with full knowledge of what is happening right now in Sweden:the mass rape of Swedish Women …you know, the future Mothers of Swedes.

    Saker

    As a man, what exactly are you willing to die for?

    My response to Rurick.

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  68. Very good comment!

    I thought that by “Islam “cleans house” in Europe” Saker meant making Europe Judenrein. Thus my comment #23.

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    I don’t think you’re Jew. Jews are smart but what you’re saying makes no sense, no person with reason would say such things. Therefore you must not be Jew and should stop saying you are!

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  70. I personally expect that the first explosion against the EU will come from France

    As an American, from perhaps the most apocalyptic place in America – Detroit, I have to question this. The France I’ve visited was a Paris too quickly being destroyed and a complacent countryside too absorbed by socialist politics and wine. When I first saw the litter in Paris I wondered, “How can the French live amid such filth? How can their Champs Elysee be strewn with trash, even around their Arc de Triumph?” It took a couple days to learn the giant round concrete obelisks occasionally dotting the street were the only trash cans. And then perhaps another couple hours to realize they were built to be bomb-proof. If Paris, if France, can meekly accept filth up and down their most important street in order to accommodate bomb exploding terrorists, it seems a lost cause to me. I was in CDG once and saw the nonchalance of the French in driving a well-used bomb disposal machine into the airport, parking it over a piece of luggage, and exploding it. No big deal. Just another day at the airport.

    Like Detroit, the French have found it easier to simply walk away from their heritage than to fight the bloody ground war to keep what their ancestors gave them. Our comfortable homes, our soft furniture, our easy jobs, our tv and movies, our air-conditioning, these have all made us weak and unwilling to fight for what is our birthright. Fighting is hard and it hurts. Let’s go home and have a bottle of wine and watch a movie instead.

  71. If you are a real MAN…then there are certain things worth dying for. The mass expulsion of Muslims is one of those things worth dying for. Saker writes that statement with full knowledge of what is happening right now in Sweden:the mass rape of Swedish Women …you know, the future Mothers of Swedes.

    No offense, but climb down off that cross brother. Where were you during the battle for Detroit? Boston? Chicago? LA? Birmingham? Atlanta? Miami? Dallas? Houston? We Americans are no bolder or braver than our kinfolk in Europe. Our cities are in ruins. Our women raped daily by feral Africans and Central American Indians. If we dare try to defend ourselves we are imprisoned or murdered by our own government. How does this differ from Europe?

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  72. actually it does, and until euros can start getting over that and recognising it can be OK in some forms, and it become OK to admit to being it, there is no hope

    And yet.. And yet even here, *anonymously*, you feel the need to qualify it?!?

    No. There is NOTHING wrong with protecting your inheritance for *your* progeny. And that’s the reality of “racism” as it is defined today. I will not feel guilty for doing what I can to give my children at least what I was given. Never.

    I have nothing against Africans or Mexicans in Africa or Mexico. I wish them all the best. I enjoy visiting Mexico and spending money in their economy. But they have no right to my legacy here. None. Get them all out. Send the Africans back like Lincoln intended, with reparations. But they didn’t fight the King to secure Liberty for themselves and their progeny. MY ancestors did. If we don’t fight for it, it will be lost forever.

  73. Dear Rurik,

    Always a pleasure to see your thoughts – whether I agree with them or not.

    find a way to gently herd the Muslims back into Africa and the Middle East

    May God bless you with applying compassion in your thought process. It is more than I can give credit to others for, who sound like they wouldn’t mind making Muslims walk the plank. I want people to think about the import of their statements though. As I asked another person who seemed to want to sound macho about the subject (with respect to the same idea for Blacks in America).

    It is one thing to support such a thing on an anonymous forum…it is truly another to raid a family dwelling in the dark – night goggles on, kevlar vest strapped, Mp5 loaded – and drag Black toddlers screaming from under their beds (truculent parents wrist-tied in front of them) to haul them out to awaiting buses…will you wear the boots that kick down those doors? Or will the government hire someone to do this while you feel contented that the only role you played was to call your Congressman to support the AARA (African American Relocation Act) of 2020? Or do you think they’ll all be lining up happily for the one-way cruise for the permanent Safari?

    I would hope that one would not want to actually participate in this endeavor. I can almost guarantee you (unless one is a sociopath), doing this day by day, house by house, will have lasting affects on the psyche; alcoholism, spousal abuse, suicide, etc.

    May I propose a different solution, one that has worked in the past and seems to work in relationships like that between Russia and Chechnya.

    Speaking strictly for Europe…There are already no-go zones for government forces in these areas. I would propose to work with that geographic model and simply stand up indigenous/ethinc and local constabulary forces who are tasked with maintaining order. It is the strongman/satrap model.

    These local authorities would be responsible for, in this order:
    1. Guarantee of security outside their zones; this includes the terrorist kind as well as rapists and hooligans.
    2. Flow of a security-certified labor force outside of those areas.
    3. Maintain security of certain areas of interest that would be safe enough for the majority population to visit; marketplaces, natural parks/forests, stadiums. etc.

    In order to do this, they would be:
    1. Well funded and supplied with necessary equipment.
    2. Be monitored for abuses, but the federal government would give them vast legal powers and the courts can decide whether to accept or dismiss reports of abuse.
    3. Granted liaisons with special forces and federal intelligence to cooperate on certain operations, as necessary.
    4. Be allowed to interfere in local religious customs, for instance deciding who gives Friday sermons, etc.

    They would be let known that any lapses of security would directly fall on their shoulders.

    This would allow a well-vetted labor force to still contribute to a dying Europe (because there is no proposal/policy that is going to fix this – this is a spiritual problem – “…they forgot God, thus He caused them to forget themselves…”). It would also allow locals who are (again) well-vetted to be allowed to move out of those zones into the majority population once it has been ascertained that they are indeed the ones who want to integrate on the terms of the majority population and provide boon.

    This policy would have to be applied in conjunction with:
    1. Absolute military disengagement from the Middle East unless attacked by a nation-state – I cannot stress how necessary this is.
    2. Material incentive for people to leave; ie. buy them a nice lot and a home in their native village of origin (this less fairly inexpensive in those countries and would cost less per family than a forced population transfer).

    May God allow us to find a just and solution to the problems we are facing.

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  74. No, he’s a Jew – a self-admitted extremist Jew, but a Jew nonetheless.

    How you doin’ – Greasy?

    Methinks that if the only way for you to establish Greater Israel is to hold a nuclear shotgun to the collective mouth of the world – that is pretty clear that this is not a divinely-mandated solution. Especially since many of those same capital contain thousands and thousands of Jews. I’m not talking about the secular ones which don’t mean much to you. I’m talking about the Jewish sages of the Talmud that have an unbroken chain of teachers to the covenant at Zion. How would you account for that before God? Millions of Gentile lives aside, of course.

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  75. Consider which group is dominant in defining our culture.

    Homos tend to be hysterical and bitchy. Our society’s worship of homos encourage young ones(even straight ones) to throw hissy fits like Chris “Leave Britney Alone” Crocker.

    (Yes – I am reading the messages here from bottom up.)

    You were SO close here. So close and yet you missed it. It’s not the homos.

    It’s our women. Our wives and our daughters. Giving them the vote was our downfall. Would men listen or care what the homos are whining about? Never. Would our men shed a tear about some poor Central American Indian child stopped at our border? Not a chance. Would our men allow tens of millions of alien men to come here and have a crack at our women? When hell freezes.

    Women. Gotta love em, can’t live without them, but letting them run the nation is a one way ticket..

  76. Everyone sees a problem. What’s the solution? How can it begin? Fortunately we see one example.

    Men with families to support cannot begin this fight, their livelihood is at risk. Their children come first in their day to day needs. So who is left? Our young men? Most are brainwashed by feminist and queer and Zionist propaganda. So whom? The answer is on TV 24/7. It *must* be the men who have raised their families and have only a long decline into sickness and disability before them. Guys like Trump.

    Older men must, for the survival of our culture and our people, for their grandchildren, be our front line warriors. Only they are economically free from the control of the Zionist banksters. Only they can speak and act with impunity. Our “Greatest Generation” failed disastrously. Will our “Boomers” do the same?

  77. Methinks that if the only way for you to establish Greater Israel is to hold a nuclear shotgun to the collective mouth of the world – that is pretty clear that this is not a divinely-mandated solution

    Clearly. Nor is it remotely practical or pragmatic to occupy by terrorism and arms a tiny sliver of land smack dab in the middle of a billion people who hate you enough to die for the cause. It’s idiocy. And yet we are all just going to spend trillions of dollars and perhaps millions of lives wasting away the days until some Islamist gets control of a nuclear device and delivery system. And yet the Jews have the highest IQs? The Jews who agitate and lobby and fight tooth and nail for ever more Islamists to immigrate to Christian nations friendly to Jews? Smart? Hmm.

    We have the answer, always have. It’s worked fantastically well here in America. The Indian Reservation. Just find a friendly Christian nation with lots of empty space (i.e. Russia or America) and build a Jew Reservation. Then just keep the Islamists and Africans at home. How hard is that? Hell, we have a working model in Utah with the Mormon Reservation. Let’s give New Mexico to the Jews! In the deal, we can send our Arabs to Palestine. Permanent world peace – courtesy of Unz.com comments…

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    which came first the Britany or the Israel?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYskawC6-GY

  79. the sacker is wobbling. He luvs all of God’s “races” and denies, or at least did about 2 years ago when we had a couple emails exchanged, that the races are unequal…as in IQ for starters.

    He hates white nationalists…and the rest of it. The sacker is a sucker.

    He still chums the water for other suckers, but maybe this article indicates that, god forbid, he is Changing, per Prez Obongo.

    Joe Webb

  80. Ahh Talha,

    the always articulate thoughtful voice of moderate Islam, even if I don’t always agree with you.

    Speaking strictly for Europe…There are already no-go zones for government forces in these areas. I would propose to work with that geographic model and simply stand up indigenous/ethinc and local constabulary forces who are tasked with maintaining order. It is the strongman/satrap model.

    it sounds to me like what you’re proposing is a sort of official colonization. Kind of how the first Europeans set up forts in N. America, which were ‘no-go areas’ for the Amerindians. And then using these fortresses to systematically increase the numbers of Europeans until the indigenous peoples of the continent were overrun and genocided.

    With all due respect I’d have to say ‘no thank you’ to that proposal, were it up to me.

    a dying Europe (because there is no proposal/policy that is going to fix this – this is a spiritual problem – “…they forgot God, thus He caused them to forget themselves…”).

    well, this is interesting Talha, and I’d like to flesh this question out a little further, since I think it deserves a conversation.

    For now I’ll just say that the spiritual emasculation of Western Civilization has not occurred because of a lack of religion, per se, but rather because we’ve all been marinated in a witches’ brew of anti-white hatred coming from our cultural elites and Hollywood and Madison Ave.

    We’ve been told that to love our own kind is evil and wicked and worst of all, “racist”. We’ve been told that it’s wrong and evil to want to preserve our way of life and our genetic identity. We’ve had it rammed in our faces that we’re guilty, and we must pay for our collective, racist sins.

    That’s why Western man is reeling and floundering, because his elites are his most intractable and hate consumed enemies. He sees no future for his kind, so he doesn’t breed them. Why breed daughters who’ll be handed over to the tender mercies of their worst enemies?

    So no, I don’t see the solution to the spiritual emasculation of Western civilization in simply finishing the job, and self-castrating himself and accepting Muslim (or anyone else’s) domination.

    Rather I see the solution as a renaissance of Western man’s spiritual vigor. (and I don’t mean religious, but if that buoys them, then why not?)

    I see the solution as a general awakening to the spell that’s been cast over us by our enemies.

    We should not harbor anger or wrath against the poor Muslims or Mexicans or others who come to our shores, but nether should we accept our own demise as a people.

    We need to find ourselves again, and regain, as I said- our vigor. How exactly we’re going to do that, I don’t know, but that is my hope.

    As Marine Le Pen is ascendant in France, and Trump here in the US, I have hope.

    It’s isn’t with rancor against Muslims or Hispanics, (who’ve come because they’ve been invited to come), but out of love for my own people and heritage and culture and a reverence for the sheer beauty of the women and children who’re of my own blood. (As I’m sure you feel about yours, as well you should. ; )

    But unlike you, I’ve been told that such sentiments toward my own kind are (rather than the most beautiful affections that a man can have) are the most vile and contemptible racism imaginable.

    It is this pathology that must be undone, and then we Euros will stop “dying” out of sheer self-contempt. And then we won’t need to look around for races and cultures to replace our own (murdered) race and culture.

    I think I’d prefer that solution.

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  81. Methinks that if the only way for you to establish Greater Israel is to hold a nuclear shotgun to the collective mouth of the world – that is pretty clear that this is not a divinely-mandated solution

    Meh, trying to decipher G-d’s plan is impossible for humans. It can only be figured out in hindsight.

    But the nuclear thing wasn’t about the expansion of our borders so much as idiots like The Saker constantly talking about destroying Israel without explaining how they are going to do it.

    When Nasser and Assad senior talked about getting rid of Israel, they were very clear how they would go about it. It didn’t work out for them, but they had plans grounded in reality and attempted to put them into practice. Idiots like The Saker just think all they need to do is: 1. Write long winded, boring articles about how awesome Russia is 2. ? 3. Israel is destroyed

    If somebody wants to have a real discussion about destroying Israel, I’m all for that. But The Saker is simply a delusional retard and his refusal to provide any details about how Israel will be destroyed is obnoxious and disrespectful to non-retards like myself who are kind enough to read and comment on his shitty articles.

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  82. Dear Rurik,

    As I’m sure you feel about yours, as well you should.

    Nope, I’ve married a (convert) lady of Scandanavian stock, sticking to the advice of the Prophet (pbuh):
    “A woman is married for four things: her wealth, her family status, her beauty or her religion. So you should marry the religious woman, (otherwise) you will be unsuccessful.” – Bukhari

    I’ve never defined my own kind as a racial thing, but as you know, that’s due to my background. I benefit both from the walking lamps of Maliki knowledge that scatter the Mauritanian deserts as much as the Naqshbandi spiritual masters of my region of origin.

    May God preserve you and your progeny with honor.

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  83. “And so they hate and want to destroy what’s beautiful and sublime, if it isn’t their beauty. Or their creation. ”

    This is pretty much what I try and analyse when watching TV detectives. On the one hand, Jewish people seem to have a more advanced ability to read emotion, cold read, than north Europeans. And they are also good at recognising archetypal truths about types of relationships and situations. And yet, it’s as if they don’t have such a detailed palette of emotion as north Europeans. When a production is more influenced by Jewish thought (more Jewish people on the production team) there is a glibness about it; the way music is used, camera angles etc. etc. It’s as if Jewish people can’t do edgy; they can do shock and horror very well but grey areas of existence seem to escape their understanding – hence the schmaltz and sensationalism of Hollywood. And also hence their excellence at PR and advertising – Jewish people can home in on the key trigger symbols and soundbites but they struggle to do the concept of doubt, and all that grows from it. As an example – American sitcoms are usually about how people get out of situations they don’t like, with lots of ‘asides’ to camera. whereas, British sitcoms are about coping with situations that people have decided for themselves that they are stuck with. But that being stuck, and settling for being stuck, is also the basis of tolerance and cooperation. And cooperation is why Europe developed and Arabia didn’t.

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  84. The Saker is impulsive, aggressive, rude, and intolerant of criticism. Correspondingly, he writes with an energy, force, directness and impact for which I have, when he is on target, the greatest respect. Here he puts a finger on the real evil of, and the real basis of opposition to, what he calls the AngloZionist (aka globalist) project, which is the genocide of the European peoples, both culturally and racially.

    All normal people have a real, intense, rational and proper attachment to their own family, tribe and nation and to their cultural inheritance. True, many of the brainwashed products of the K to early-middle-age Western school system are self-hating advocates of the genocide of their own kind, which is to say liberals, but these are the dupes, the freaks and the perverts who have been empowered by an evil elite. And this is as true of the “Anglos” as anyone else. In fact, the Anglos are the people most brutally victimized by enforced mass immigration, multiculturalism, and political correctness, i.e., the denial of free speech.

    Like the Saker, I remember “Old Europe.” In fact, being twenty years older, I remember it more clearly than the Saker. In the world of my youth, England was not just nearly all white, it was 99 point something percent of long English descent. Today, the capital city, London, is majority ethnic. My father’s home town of Leicester in central England, is majority ethnic. In Birmingham, England’s second city, English children are not even the largest minority in elementary school.* What the English are witnessing is their own deliberate racial and cultural genocide. So hate the Anglo-Imperialists by all means, but spare a thought for the English. Spare a thought, too, for America’s fast declining EuroAmerican majority.

    * Source:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/asian-pupils-outnumber-white-children-117427

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  85. Dear Greasy,

    I’ll never call for the destruction of Israel – if, by that, the population is meant. Jews have been living there since antiquity. I’m not about to call for a reversal of policy set by the blessed pens of the Companions of the Prophet (pbuh) – may God have mercy on them.

    The government of Israel (the political abstraction of the will of the Zionists) is another matter and has shown itself to be irresponsible at a suicidal level.

    As we exchanged previously, it’s about sovereignty…and what’s best and just for all in the long run.

    May God preserve you and yours.

  86. For now I’ll just say that the spiritual emasculation of Western Civilization has not occurred because of a lack of religion, per se, but rather because we’ve all been marinated in a witches’ brew of anti-white hatred coming from our cultural elites and Hollywood and Madison Ave.

    That was part of the philosophical backfill yes, but our depopulation is the result of giving our women the vote and then sending them into the workforce knowing it was just a matter of time before they were our “equal” in every respect. This destroyed the life creating balance of biology and promoted by Western culture – our “natural order” where man provided and protected his women who provided and nurtured our mutual progeny. Once women were conceived as “equal” to men it was only a matter of time before our downfall given the market values biologically assigned by nature.

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  87. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"]
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    It is legitimate to ask the question about how to get from point A to B. It is not legitimate to ask me the question:”What have you done”…for the obvious reason that you don’t know me….

    As far as you larger point:Yes, History will judge European Men very harshly for not rising up and revolting now in 2016 real-time. The complete destruction of Swedes is right around the corner..We need to make it clear to Swedish Men how history will judge them.

    If you are going to take the “its all over view!!!!..Then just stop posting on Unz Review..if you think its all pointless.

    For starters, Native Born White American Men should turn off the NFL and stop playing girly boy Fantasy “What a stud” Football…and turn off the fat bastard slug Mike Francessa and WFAN.

    Here is what I think is going on with White Guy Trump Bros:vote for Donald ….elect Donald POTUS…go back to having Fantasy Football Draft Picks in your Man Cave wood paneled basement…smoke a cigar with your white guy bros…pretend you are an Alpha Male White Guy…Donald bombs Iran…which starts a war with Conservative Christian Russia.

    Perhaps it will take the election of the Old Farting Lesbian War Criminal for White Guy Trump Bros to realize that “we are not in Kansas anymore”

    The clock is ticking for all Western European Males and Native Born White American Males.

    If Trump loses to the Old Farting Hairy Lesbian….what’s game plan B for the White Guy Trump Bros? I’m very surprised that this question has yet to be raised on Unz Review since Trump losing on Nov 8 is a very real possibility.

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  88. It’s NOT a “trivial technical detail”, you stupid fifth-rate neocon hack. It’s the equivalent of calling Florida, Alaska or Hawaii a “country”. If “he knows” this “technical detail”, as you call it, why does he misuse it? Seems like deliberate malicious subversive propaganda trying to promote Chechen separatism from Russia in people’s subconscious minds in an “off-topic” way, it seems to me…

    On another note: I don’t feel any obligation to try to have a respectful “worthwhile conversation” with mendacious neocon Internet trolls like “Marwan” or yourself. And neither should any normal person, in my opinion – you neocon types are some of the vilest individuals that exist anywhere on Earth at this point in history, and should be banished from all honest discussion of ANY topic. Leopards don’t change their spots. It’s quite funny and revealing also, how you characters start to whine about “blunt rudeness”, etc., whenever your little tricks and games are exposed.

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    I’m a first generation American, child of N European immigrants.

    They didn’t come to USA because they wanted to but because they had to in order to survive. They made the best of it — and in the process made the USA a better place.

    But they left their homeland behind.
    Anybody ever think about what that means — to leave the land that has been yours for generations upon generations?

    I visit my parents’ graves whenever I can. They are in the same cemetery as one uncle and paternal grandparents — all were born in the same N European town; at least they’re buried near each other in a town in the American Midwest.

    Other grandparents, also from the same N European town, are buried in a cemetery somewhere in Illinois, I think.

    Other aunts and uncles are buried in New Jersey and Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico.

    Who pays homage to their lives and puts flowers on their graves?

    I have never been to the land where my parents were born, the land of my genealogical roots, the land that formed my DNA. I don’t know where I came from.

    And now Saker tells me that it’s too late, and it doesn’t matter: it’s all different, the land of my roots.

    Where will my bones be buried? Who will put flowers on my grave? Will some Anglo zionist warmongers defile my parents’ and my grandparents’ burial ground as they have the homeland of my parents and grandparents?

    “Next year in Jerusalem.”

    bah.

  90. I thought his argument was that the West is so decadent it can turn the children of good people into delinquents.

    This applies to white people today in which morality has plummeted from the past generations (white people on the top wouldn’t be opening up the flood gates of immigration if they had some sense of morality).

    Muslim hooligan children seem to just want to accelerate the decadence in Europe.

    I don’t know how they act in the US really (I assume American culture is a very overpowering one), in Canada they seem well behaved but that’s due to having some minimal standards when it comes to immigration. In the PRC they aren’t really immigrants, but a lot of the Uyghur do move to cities like Shanghai which are predominantly Han Chinese and seem to integrate fine. You’ll see them praying on the street unharassed and that “halal” symbol is stamped on various Chinese products. Though it is true they have caused some trouble in the past in their heartland of Xinjiang, but there is also days of trouble in Hong Kong too so I just assume its the Chinese way of keeping your country together.

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  91. Wait what’s wrong with Iran, Pakistan and North Korea?

    North Korea developed its own nuclear program on its own with PERHAPS minimal support from China, Pakistan, OR Russia (depending on the story you want to believe). This is a stark difference to Israel which basically got everything for free from the US and other Western nations.

    Pakistan stole its nuclear plans, which says something about it intelligence competence (or at the least the incompetence of Western intelligence).

    And Iran, the Islamic republic still stands after suffering decades of Western-driven sanctions (because Islam and democracy are not allowed apparently), being surrounded continuously by hostile forces on all sides, and trying to ward off Israeli operations against its scientists and facilities.

    Yemen seems to show the world that yet again a fourth-world drug-chewing (khat) militia can take on a Western-allied, heavily armed, and wealthy Saudi Arabia with nothing but using the rocks on the ground (the same with the Taliban and the US, or Hezbollah and Israel).

    You’re wrong about Djibouti, Camp Lemonnier is located in Djibouti, which is a US navy/marine base, which well…we all know how subservient the US is to Zionists. I’m sure the camp is a very influential source of income to the locals, if not the kick backs to the president himself.

  92. As I’m sure you feel about yours, as well you should.

    Nope

    I’m saddened to hear that Talha.

    Just because you married a white women, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have a special place of affection for your own kind. Your own tribe and nation and ancestors and heritage. These things should remain sacred in the depths of your soul, no matter what tribe or race or heritage you hail from, or are immersed in, IMHO.

    I too have dabbled with dating all manor of infinitely charming types, and I suppose I have my preferences, even if my tastes are not all that exclusive. But for my people, my ancestors and my relatives and their progeny, I’ll always have a special love and a warmth, that I don’t just hand out to anyone and everyone equally. I feel if you love all people equally, then you don’t really love any of them in particular, and that is a terrible loss for a human to subject themselves to, at least as I see it.

    May the Gods of eternity and infinite truths guide your path and illuminate your world

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  93. British sitcoms are about coping with situations that people have decided for themselves that they are stuck with. But that being stuck, and settling for being stuck, is also the basis of tolerance and cooperation. And cooperation is why Europe developed and Arabia didn’t.

    well, I’ve never really been one for settling. Rather than just learn to cope with it, I’d counsel people to fix it. It’s the rough and tumble that makes us better off for it.

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  94. there is much truth to what you say, and the biggest losers are often the women who’re taken in by that false god of feminism (wanting to be a man). Cats are a poor substitution for a household full of children’s laughter and a man’s devoted love and strong, caressing hands.

    I pity them.

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  95. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"]
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    You would but I probably spend more time in Moscow than you do.​ Regularly means about once a year. I did have a boss’s boss who was a transvestite. (Mates iwth Branson) but other than that I haven’t come across any in the UK. I live a boring life.

    Your insecurities might be showing.

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    I used to row for Leicester rowing club in the mid 1970′s. (I worked in Rugby at the time). Leicester was already very Asian, although not a brown face was to be seen at LC matches.

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  97. ” Islam, real Islam as opposed to Wahabi Islam, is categorically opposed to AngloZionism. I think that Islam will be one of the forces which will eventually help to “clean house” in Europe. Wahhabism on the other hand, will have to be completely and totally eliminated from Europe.”

    Wishful thinking friend… It’s a different branch from the same rotten tree, Islam is a supremacist ideology and I don’t see any kind of reformation among the Muslim community materializing anytime soon. They are going to want more from Europe and we can thank the enablers in politics and academia for that.

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  98. Your Islamic buddies send their warmest Easter wishes to you !!!!!
    52 killed in park in Pakistan filled with Christians for Easter Holiday . Mostly women and children killed .

    Most were Muslim actually. And to trounce this whole; ‘it was an Islamic thing.’

    The prohibition against killing women and children even on a battlefield is a ruling that is agreed upon by consensus by all four Sunni Orthodox schools – there are NO dissenting voices on this matter. The prohibition is as solid as the prohibition on alcohol. It is based on a hadith that is reported by so many chains of transmission that it reaches the status of tawatur (impossible to have been misquoted or forged – it is literally as sound as any verse in the Qur’an).

    Please pay us the intellectual respect to stop lying about these matters and stick to facts.

    Peace.

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  99. I am sorry for your nearest and dearest if there are any of them left living with you. Suffering from Choler as it was once called – uncontrolled anger – is bad enough: but stupidity as well!!!!

    I say that with confidence because you purport to have formed conclusions about me which are impossible on any adequate assessment of the evidence provided by my many and quite varied comments on UR. I am, I note, not only not a neo-con, I am Australian of entirely Anglo-Celtic descent and don’t think I have even met a neo-con. How deranged and stupid can anger make you?

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  100. “A list of Great Countries zero Jewish , Zionist or Israeli population of influence whatsoever .
    Pakistan , Afghanistan , Sudan , Mauritania , Somalia , Algeria , Libya , Tunisia , Iran , Bangladesh ,Burkina Faso , Mali , Chechnya , North Korea , Indonesia , Djibouti , Yemen.”

    I got to lift my Skullcap for this moron.

    Iran has the largest and oldest Jewish community (30,000) in the Middle East. In fact Jewish Book of Esther is written about Persia. Purim is celebrated for the Holocaust of 75,000 Persians at the hands of the powerful local Jews.

    Algeria was full of Zionist Jews, who decided to leave the country for France after Algeria got independence from France.

    Sudan , Mauritania , Somalia, Libya , Tunisia, Indonesia , Djibouti , Yemen – all have Jewish minorities, and even Pakistan has one Jew living in Karachi. However, they all hate the Zionist entity and support Palestinian cause.

    BTW: I didn’t know North Korea was a Muslim country though it doesn’t recognize the Zionist entity.

    On December 7, 2011, Israel’s Tunisian-born deputy prime minister Silvan Shalom made another call on the small Tunisian Jewish community (pop. 2,000) to immigrate to Israel.

    Jacob Lelouche, who runs a kosher restaurant and was an independent candidate in October 2011 national elections, told BBC reporter on December 31: “Where would I go – to Europe? Come on, I’m not stupid. To Israel? I’m not that stupid either. Silvan can say whatever he wants. I am Tunisian, this is my country. I will stay here. Silvan can not tell me where to live.” Such comments were censored later by the Zionist-controlled British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC).

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/02/02/tunisian-jew-im-not-stupid-to-immigrate-to-israel/

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  101. You say that the prohibition on killing women and children is as solid as the prohibition on alcohol.

    I find it quite chilling that you can say that without noticing its totalitariam premodern flavour. Calvin’s Geneva or witch burning Puritans of New England come to mind though Medieval might not be inapprpriate.

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  102. Dear Rurik,

    Let me clarify myself. Yes indeed, I am indebted to the Muslim culture of the Indian subcontinent, its solid Hanafi roots and the spiritual mastery of the various Sufi orders (Naqshbandi, Qadiri, etc.) – not to mention the food, eh? Nothing hits me like a well stated quote from Iqbal (may God have mercy on him). I merely meant that I do not hold it in such a way as to prevent me from marrying someone outside my genetic heritage when I have found piety in her – because that is the primary concern, keeping my genetic line ‘pure’ is not.

    There is a balance to strike…

    I know from my tradition that the Prophet (pbuh) spoke strongly against the concept of assabiyya which describes groupism (whether racial or national or tribal). He was noted to have stated that, “He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism.” Tribalism here is the Arabic word assabiyya which is very encompassing. He is also reported to state that, “There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of God they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose.” Clearly denouncing atavistic chest thumping.

    However, he drew the line clearly when he was asked by someone, “Is it tribalism (assabiyya) for a man to love his people?” “No”, he answered, “tribalism is to support your people in an injust cause.”

    I think that is a standard any reasonable person would recognize; nothing wrong in loving your people as long as it does not lead to harming others.

    May God preserve you and yours.

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  103. Even though I don’t agree, I like your style.

  104. But which foreigners matters doesn’t it? I have never been to Leicester but I understand that it is blessed with Asians who are largely ex East African Indians and that it remains a very civilised place to live. Likewise I live in a large Australian city where many East Asian and subcontinental faces, mostly younger than average, transform the streetscapes where, before 1970, very few non European faces would have been seen amidst its solid Victorian buildings and growing number of European modernist buildings. And I find it delightful and foreshadowing a future which is largely free from Europe’s and US demographic problems. (At least we have time to learn from others’ disasters).

  105. Dear WoO,

    Very good question, and I do understand what you are implying. Fear not, that prohibition applies only to Muslims – and this is on a public level – I have seen NO ruling that states the government should be busting down doors to stop Muslims from sipping moonshine. Non-Muslims are not prohibited from imbibing liquor (or things like eating pork, dealing with usury, etc.) within Muslim lands according to the soundest positions in the Sunni Orthodox schools. Even a Muslim husband cannot stop his non-Muslim wife from drinking alcohol (for the Malikis, this is absolute, some of the other schools have certain restrictions, such as, as long as she doesn’t get drunk – which obviously affects the family).

    What I merely meant was, most people (even non-Muslims) would automatically dismiss some Muslim who says alcohol is permissible to drink. I am merely stating that the prohibition against killing women and children (though not as well known to non-Muslims) is on the same level based on the evidence from the primary texts as codified by our top scholars.

    My sources are traditional Sunni manuals of law; like Umdat us-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) by the 14th century Shafi’i scholar, Ahmad al-Misri, Beheshti Zewar (Heavenly Ornaments) by the Sufi/Scholar of British-Raj India, Muhammad Thanavi (with citations to earlier works from Ibn Abidin and al-Haskafi – who are known from the East to the West among the Hanafis), Taj wal-Iklil (The Crown and the Trophy), by the Maliki jurist al-Muwaq, and Ma’arif ul Qur’an (Knowledge of the Qur’an) by the late Mufti Muhammad Shafi’i (who was the late Mufti of Pakistan – and though this is a work of exegesis he presents commentary from the view of an accomplished Hanafi Jurist) – may God raise all their ranks.

    May God bless you and yours.

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  106. {Most were Muslim actually.}

    What do you base that on ?
    Any evidence?
    And whether some or most were Muslim, is not the issue here is it?
    Taliban targeted Christians gathered in the park for Easter celebration.
    Obviously a suicide bomber was not going ask Muslims to move away, because he was going to detonate a bomb.
    Christians were targeted: that’s all there is too it.

    {The prohibition against killing women and children even on a battlefield is a ruling that is agreed upon by consensus by all four Sunni Orthodox schools – there are NO dissenting voices on this matter. }

    What a joke: Muslims have been massacring Christian women and children for centuries.
    Your Muslim co-religionists, Turks, massacred about 4 million Christians in Asia Minor between 1915-1923 alone. Mostly old people, women and children.

    What nonsense are you talking about ? { The prohibition is as solid as the prohibition on alcohol. It is based on a hadith…}

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  107. “I am, I note, not only not a neo-con, I am Australian of entirely Anglo-Celtic descent and don’t think I have even met a neo-con”

    Being “Australian of entirely Anglo-Celtic descent” does not automatically disqualify you from being a neocon. You don’t have to be Jewish or from the U.S., in order to be a neocon. “Neocon” refers to an ideology and state of mind, not ethnic or national background – they are found all over, although the most powerful and harmful of them are ensconced in the U.S. government and elites. If you opine like a neocon, and defend the comments of obvious neocon trolls, then you ARE a neocon, period.

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  108. If I may…

    I don’t see any kind of reformation among the Muslim community materializing anytime soon

    Actually, open your TV set – the Reformation is happening before your eyes.

    Or have we all forgotten that the Reformation in Europe was not a table discussion:
    Hugenots Wars
    Eighty Year’s War
    Thirty Year’s War

    This is what led to the Peace of Westphalia and the subsequent separation of Church and State; the European monarchs did that because they saw that if they didn’t stop the bleeding due to rampant Christian sectarian violence (15 to 20 percent of the prewar population according to http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195399301/obo-9780195399301-0127.xml), there were going to be governing over graveyards.

    So – no thanks. We’d rather not have the Reformation, as that would (by these historically estimated numbers) predict the wiping out of around 300+ million Muslims – equivalent to around 40% of the entire European population.

    May God let our eyes see the dust of our graves before they witness such horrors.

  109. I didn’t know real men let those who are inferior govern over them.

    If you’re willing to die for what you believe in why not fight the government which lets these monsters in? It’s not like they got here on a magic carpet (as much as many want to believe).

    Nothing is stopping you from taking action like Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kaczynski, they did what was needed because they believed in their causes (and for Ted Kaczynski he was more right than wrong). Or is that too scary for you?

    See, I know those two by name because they committed to action which brought about some awareness to a situation/issue. I don’t even care to ask what you’ve done because you’re nameless.

    No…. voting for the other spectrum isn’t “fighting the government” because both the left and right will do the same thing, import cheap labor to fatten profits. I don’t care what you’re politician says, when (s)he gets to office and realizes (s)he is powerless that’s what will end up happening. Voting is that thin illusion so you can feel that you actually have some control over the world around you. Illusion is the key word.

    Killing Muslims (the symptom) is easy (all the foreigners that have been in the Middle East, from NATO, US, Israel, even Russia, have shown how easy it is to kill Muslims). Fighting the government (the ailment) on the other hand…. that might be a bit tougher.

  110. Avery, my good man,

    Yes, let me clarify:
    “Taliban splinter group Jamaat-ul-Ahrar said it carried out the attack against Christians celebrating Easter, although most of those killed were Muslims.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35916578

    Taliban targeted Christians gathered in the park for Easter celebration.

    Sure they did, and a couple of years ago they pulled this one off:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/16/peshawar-school-attack-one-year-on-the-country-is-changed-completely

    Again, Avery, are we going to play my genocide is bigger than yours?

    I was talking about what is clearly defined for rules of war laid down by medieval scholars from all schools. Whether the Ottomans chose to follow them at a particular time or not is not what I was arguing. Again, if you can explain to me why a belief in the exhortations of the Sermon on the Mount did not stop (just a sample); Ivan from burning Kazan and other Muslim Tartar cities to the ground (with their populations), Western Christians crusaders from sacking (raping, pillaging) the Orthodox Christian city of Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade, Her Majesty’s fleets from bombarding the Imperial Chinese simply because they did not want their population flooded with cheap opium (Opium Wars) – then we’ll talk. Actually, then you’ll have the answer you are looking for.

    Your Muslim co-religionists, Turks, massacred about 4 million Christians in Asia Minor between 1915-1923 alone.

    Sure, since you keep recycling the same argument, I will recycle my response:
    The horrible tragedy of the Armenians took place in the days of the waning influence of the Ottoman caliphate; a Turkish nationalist secular order – The Young Turks – had basically taken hold of the ship of state and were primarily responsible for the Armenian tragedy. The Armenians knew this, which is precisely why Armenian nationalists hunted down the Young Turk leadership across the world and assassinated them. They did nothing to the members of the Ottoman dynasty.

    What nonsense are you talking about?

    Indeed, nonsense…Here is one of the books of reference I am using, from just one school of law:
    http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/images/KitabMabsut.jpg

    Written by a master of the Hanafi school, the brilliant Persian Imam Sarakhsi (may God illuminate his grave) whose knowledge was such that he wrote entire sections of it from prison, without reference to his library, from pure memory.

    So please, if you have a sound reference from ANY of the existing schools of jursprudence (even extinct ones like those of Imams Tabari, Layth, Awza’i – may God grant them grace) to contradict what I have stated – then bring it. Otherwise, you have every right to have your opinion, but it carries as much authority to me as from the guy who fixed my heater recently.

    Peace.

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  111. You could at least humor your readers by offering us a plan on how you will get rid of Israel. Honestly, at this point you owe me that much as repayment for my selflessly reading your repetitive garbage and for attempting to educate you.

    Not that I’m speaking on behalf of the Saker but it could be the South African way, get a party voted in and have government reforms (la-la thinking of course). SDF had 6 nukes it disassembled when it realized that the ANC was going to win the election. So having nukes does not stop political reforms from disintegrating your country. The USSR had a bazillion nukes and it lost territories left and right after its collapse.

    Europeans, like most white people, don’t care about Palestinians but they sure love to get offended, and show they have been offended, and create a hissy fits around this offense (could be about anything, from breast feeding in public to homosexuality, etc.).

    It’s probably the only reason why Israel hasn’t basically killed off all the Palestinians to ensure that the future Arab-Israelis don’t do to it what happened to South Africa.

  112. It is legitimate to ask the question about how to get from point A to B. It is not legitimate to ask me the question:”What have you done”…for the obvious reason that you don’t know me….

    I don’t need to know you to know what I do, that you’re no different from the rest of us insofar as *failing* to live up to the standard set by the men who bequeathed us this land. I know this simply because you’re neither a martyr nor posting from a government cage. And I don’t mean some counter-productive evil like that halfwit clown in the African church, but meaningful paradigm shifting such as Trump has achieved with discussion of expelling illegals. At very least, had you caused such a shift, you’d have no need for anonymity in posting.

    If Trump loses to the Old Farting Hairy Lesbian….what’s game plan B for the White Guy Trump Bros?

    You are trying to look beyond a very dynamic situation. Will Trump make it to the election? I have my doubts. And revolutions have started over martyrs. My guess, should Clinton return to the White House, is expedited movement toward the financial bubble bursting catastrophically which may be exactly what we need to shake white men from their tv-opiate induced complacency. When they can’t find food, when their air conditioning fails, when mobs of feral savages roam with impunity into their suburbs searching for food, then the excuses will stop. If that day comes, I only hope the backlash hits the Cucks first. The savages must be expelled, but the Cucks need to be the first loaded on the transports.

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  113. Ah, UR has its very own Humpty Dumpty. I trust, in this company, you know the reference.

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  114. Pretending that women are equal to men is as sensible and sane as pretending I am equal to a fish. Nature has given women the awesome power to create new humans and the mental hardware to raise those humans to adulthood without choking them to death. There is no bond like that between a mother and child and no greater satisfaction for a woman than in seeing her children healthy, happy, and raising yet a new generation. That women have been sold this evil fiction of equality is the greatest crime against our people. Removing women from safe loving homes raising children for the role of US Army Infantry troops in battle is civilizational insanity. And as we realize how deeply HBD is baked into our DNA it seems we give too little attention to the male/female dichotomy of our species which is at least as great as the gulf between Bantu and Swede.

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  115. Dear Talha,

    keeping my genetic line ‘pure’ is not.

    yea, that usually doesn’t matter much to us men who we mate with, and what our children look like. We love them because they’re ours. But then when it comes to who our daughters mate with, now that’s usually another matter all together, huh?

    If you’re one of those rare men who could care less if your grandchildren have no physical resemblance to you whatsoever, then I suppose I should say kudos, you’ve thwarted a powerful genetic instinct, but then again, I think it’s there for a reason, no?

    “There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of God they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose.”

    Do you have no consideration for the travails of your ancestors who fought and loved and struggled so that you might live? Is it wrong to honor them? To revere their heroics and sagas? To perhaps, aspire to their greatness?

    Would you call an Apache or Comanche or Seminole ‘Indian’ today who dresses in traditional tribal garb and studies and honors and feel genuine pride at his ancestors – a dung beetle?

    would you call an Irish man who loves Ireland and all its traditions and heritage and who honors its struggles and woes against cruel adversaries in word and deed – a dung beetle?

    would you say the same about a tribal Afghan or Bedouin nomad that fights for his tribe and would die for his tribe, that “in the sight of God they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose.” ?

    Surly that is a touch hyperbolic, no?

    Having an affection for your own extended family and respecting and honoring your ancestors and heritage and all their struggles, is not “atavistic chest thumping’, unless you’re presuming to have done all these things personally. Like you, I also have very little patience for those ultra-nationalists who run around pretending to be the best of the best and better than you and yours because ‘our ancestors did this or that’. But no one said loving one’s own kind was a zero sum game, and that it meant you had to hate others. Hardly. That’s absurd. It just means you have more love for your own son or daughter, your own mother and father, and grandparents and relatives that you do for people you don’t even know, have nothing in common with, or are even threatened by. That’s all.

    “tribalism is to support your people in an injust cause.”

    and taking the Iberian peninsula by force of sword? Was that a just cause Talha?

    nothing wrong in loving your people as long as it does not lead to harming others.

    on this point we agree absolutely

    the problem is when others are intent on colonizing your people with their people and customs and culture, when a defense is mounted to protect one’s people from harm, that’s when the howls and shrieks become deafening that you’re trying to do harm by keeping foreign invaders out, so that you can protect your own.

    That’s the problem today. For some people, any attempt to protect your own from harm and invasion and the cultural and ethnic hegemony of others- is somehow beyond the pale.

    if the British decided to return to Pakistan and India, and demanded areas be set up for British peoples to settle, and adjustments made to the culture to accommodate alcohol consumption and brothels and assorted Western cultural hegemony, I wonder how tolerant Talha and the rest of Pakistan would be, eh?

    May the Gods vouchsafe your journeys and grant you peace always

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  116. Are you suggesting that “rough and tumble” is different from and preferable to cooperation? At least to “fix it”?

    And does your “fix it” mean that you think those sit-com families and their larger scale analogues can be fixed in the sense of fixed in place (like a painting on the wall) and/or fixed so that it can now, or again, run untended for the forsseable future?

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  117. Tahla: I know we don’t always see eye to eye but I’m sorry about all the anti Islam stuff people say here. Islamophobia really pisses me off. All the major religions besides Buddhism deserve to be treated with respect. Anybody who has any personal experience with Muslims knows that the overwhelming majority are against animals like the Taliban and ISIS. The people who use nutbars like those two groups to demonize most of the world’s Islamic population obviously haven’t met many muslims. If they knew more Muslims, they wouldn’t feel the way they do.

    I mean, they might still dislike Islam, which is their right, but they would at least dislike real Islam and not the cartoonish version they have dreamed up in their heads.

    Not that I’m speaking on behalf of the Saker but it could be the South African way, get a party voted in and have government reforms (la-la thinking of course). SDF had 6 nukes it disassembled when it realized that the ANC was going to win the election

    That’s good. I like it. But I really don’t think that’s what The Saker has in mind. Then again, we can’t be sure what he has in mind because he never fucking tells us. I assume he sees Putin personally leading a tank charge on the Golan, but who knows?

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  118. The horrible tragedy of the Armenians took place in the days of the waning influence of the Ottoman caliphate; a Turkish nationalist secular order – The Young Turks – had basically taken hold of the ship of state and were primarily responsible for the Armenian tragedy.

    Just curious, Talha, this “tragedy” you keep referring to, do you consider it to be a genocide, or not?

    P.S. May the gods bestow peace on all of humanity.

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  119. Thank you. And congratulations and thanks for the care and courtesy in your reply. I am not 100 per cent sure that you took my point precisely, but I move on to something more interesting to me.

    I think you might attempt a serious answer to a question I have tried out on intelligent theologically sophisticated Christians of various denominations. Perhaps you can do better than my Cardinal friend and the Anglican priest who slipped out with a quip.

    The question is how one can believe in an Abrahamic God or think one should care what He wants and seek to obey given the following premises.

    He is the Creator of all that is and Omnipotent. He is Eternal and Omniscient (and Omnipresent if that is not redundant). And he cares about us collectively and as individuals, how we fare and how we behave. He can communicate with us and does from time to time.

    I don’t pose this just as “the problem of evil” though I would be happy for you to address that.

    How can this be? How can there be such a deity? If you hypothesised that he merely set our universe, and then life, evolving (and maybe billions of other universes) for His entertainment to relieve the boredom of eternity then there is no problem except lack of evidence. But the Abrahamic communicating god who is supposed to care about us isn’t like that and we are required to believe that the omniscient omnipotent deity used jumbled messages through imperfect human prophets to tell the Hebrews that genocide was OK, even desirable when subduing the existing inhabitants of the Promised Land, then Jesus gave quite different messages, Mohammed gave more different instructions from God, Sunni and Shia et al. were allowed to coexist in enmity, followed by Cathars, Albigensians, Hussites, Alawi, Ba’hai, Calvinists, Lutherans etc. How can that deity be one who cares about us or what we do? And why no reliable message to the billions of Buddhists, Animists and Hindus?

    My conclusion is what seems to be the inevitable logical one, viz. that there can be no such being as the allegedly caring Creator whom we should worship and obey. (Anyway why did the idea of obeying and worshipping ever get off the ground? That can only be consistent with His being pretty nasty and vengeful).

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  120. Removing women from safe loving homes raising children for the role of US Army Infantry troops in battle is civilizational insanity.

    the role of the military is to protect the women and children, not to send teenage girls to the front lines to protect the cowardly pigs in the banks and congress. Any man who would let a girl do his deadly fighting for him is not only a sniveling coward, but a worm of a human.

    Slimy and without a spine or a conscience.

    I don’t mind the few women who’re inclined by temperament to want to serve in the military or police, for instance. That’s how some of them are, but to encourage girls to fight men with guns and tanks on a battle field, is beyond incomprehensible.

  121. Are you suggesting that “rough and tumble” is different from and preferable to cooperation? At least to “fix it”?

    no wizard, I’m saying the rough and tumble is preferable to just settling with an intolerable situation, or learning to tolerate it. If cooperation means coordinating your efforts to alleviate an intolerable situation, then I’m all for that. But it sounded to me like the poster was advocating a more fatalistic approach. Sort of like a Stockholm syndrome acceptance of a dire and gloomy cynicism. That’s just not for me. ; )

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  122. Putin personally leading a tank charge on the Golan

    but I thought you were talking about Israel

    the Golan Heights most assuredly is not Israel, never has been and never will be. In fact, I’m pretty sure Putin just got done guaranteeing that. ; )

  123. Islamophobia really pisses me off. All the major religions besides Buddhism deserve to be treated with respect.

    This settles it, you are officially the greatest commenter in the history of the world.

    By the way, what is your beef with Buddhism? Mine is how people go on and on about how scientific it is, when its whole cosmology “karma, nirvana, reincarnation” is completely non-testable! And this whole non-self thing, what exactly is the entity that comes to the conclusion that there is no real entity? I am sure they have come up with some slick answer, but it seems like a big self-refuting contradiction. I think Buddhism gets all this great press (even when some of their monks are pro-ethnic cleansing) because liberals love the fact it is non-theistic.

    But I still would treat them with respect though :)

  124. So…the CIA installed a French president. Marginally more believable than them being responsible for 9/11, chemtrails, UFO abductions, the various Kennedy assassinations, not walking my dog. I like Saker, but if public literature if anything to go by the agency is arguably more worthless than DARPA, costs a helluva lot more and should’ve been dismantled a long time ago.

    Part of me believes Saker is a hack, an armchair “analyst” of the sort who reads all the right blogs and sites, and has an insane talent for collating and summarizing information using all the correct technical terminology.

    But he’s not wrong most of the time and damn fun to read, so there’s that.

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  125. Dear GeoKat,

    Certainly! Words have their definition in the lexicon after all.

    From Merriam Webster:
    “the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group”

    How could it possibly NOT fit the definition.

    Please bear in mind, if you look at my posts, I will never justify oppressive actions that occur at the hands of Muslims. They will face God for their actions. As for me, I will only be asked to account for my own, and that falls under the imperative:
    “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves…” 4:135

    The Prophet (pbuh) stated, “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or is being oppressed.” The people asked him, “O Messenger of God, we help the one being oppressed but how do we help an oppressor?” The Prophet said, “By seizing his hand.” (i.e. stopping his oppression)

    I hope that clears it up.

    May God never less us or our families be visited by such horrors.

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  126. By the way, what is your beef with Buddhism?

    It is nihilistic garbage. Nothing matters and the goal is extinction. It is affirmatively anti life.

    Buddhists are usually good people who deserve to be treated with respect but Buddhism itself does not.

    In fact, I’m pretty sure Putin just got done guaranteeing that. ; )

    by losing a war against 10,000, poorly armed, fanatics?

    Jew haters put way to much stock in Putin. Not only does he have pretty good relations with Israel (he buys our drones), he leads a backwards shithole of a country that isn’t capable of manufacturing the necessary weaponry to take us down.

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  127. so far in 2016 there have been 509 Islamic terrorist attacks in 39 countries . 5300 killed and 7000 injured .

    Here is a few great quotes from a Muslim man . Imam Sheik Abdul Hadi Palazzi :
    “In opposing the will of God and making war on Israel, Arabs are in effect making war on Allah Himself.”

    “Opposition to Israel is an offense against Allah”

    In Sura 5:21 Moses, who is also a Muslim prophet, invites the children of Israel: “My people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has ordained for you.

  128. The aim of the Islamic terrorists was to kill Christians that were celebrating Easter , the majority of the victims were women and children . Do you deny this ? If you do not deny this , how can you call me a liar ?

    Regardless what that the majority Sunni opinion is on the subject , the fact of the matter is that Islamic terrorists kill women and children daily . on the battlefield or off the battlefield . there have been 509 Islamic terror attacks so far in 2016 with 5300 killed and 7000 wounded . Many were women and children .

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  129. Certainly! Words have their definition in the lexicon after all.

    Thanks for clarifying, Talha. Glad to see you are opposed to oppressive actions, regardless of who commits them.

    P.S. May the gods inspire us to utter fewer words and to do more good deeds.

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    Muslims are here to stay? They will help clean up this mess? Eastern Europe is not Europe.. Russia is Europe.. Turkey is a mess but will be OK if it does this, that, and the other.. Then it will be Europe.. No more questions.. Reading your dribble three words immediately come to my mind — “Google Kalergi Plan”

    Let me help you Jew boy.. you can just click on the link below..

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/11/12/europes-refugee-crisis-and-the-kalergi-plan-for-white-genocide/

    So why do you think that Eastern Europe is not Europe? Because it’s poor? Europeans are WHITE, rich and poor.. But the common denominator is WHITE. Let that sink in — Jew boy! You got your panties in a bunch because Victor Orban is not going along with the program? In your mind East Europeans are not Europeans cause they are blocking the Muslim/non-White invasion into Europe..

    Lets watch this play out and see how it ends.. I predict Tribunals in not too distant future.

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  131. You’re a fool and your crappy posts are a waste of people’s time. Go jump in a lake.

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  132. Jew haters…

    Hey, Greasy. Just curious… what in your mind constitutes a “Jew hater”? Does it include someone who is opposed to the brutally oppressive occupation of the Palestinian people? Is that why Gilad Atzmon is considered a “self-hating” Jew?

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  133. Not only does he have pretty good relations with Israel (he buys our drones), he leads a backwards shithole of a country that isn’t capable of manufacturing the necessary weaponry to take us down.

    I don’t think he wants to take you down, just rein you in. Libya was the last straw for him. I don’t think he’d even care if you took position of the Golan, he just doesn’t want to lose his harbor on the Med. Or tolerate any more bullshit from psychos like John McCain.

    But since you guys, in your hubris- forced his hand, now it looks like Assad is here to stay, and that means no oil from the Golan for you. ; )

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  134. Let me help you Jew boy.

    The Saker is a Jew now ? Wow this is awesome , you guys are shooting at your own shadows now !!
    In the other article , poster “utu” informed us that he thinks Ron Unz and Steve Sailer are both Zionist paid pawns !!!!! Whats that ALT-R / WN euphemism again ???? “I love it when they eat their own” !!!!

    Reading your dribble three words immediately come to my mind — “Google Kalergi Plan”

    We should google a conspiracy theory ?? No need , as long as you can google it, its gold . Hey got any illuminating ( pun intended ) YouTube , or should we say ” JewTube” videos that might confirm it ?? Never mind n o need to check . If its online ,its accurate !!!!!!!

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    As one born in Austria, I must agree with you about the U.K. never having been “European”, where as Ireland would be kind of European to my mind. I also agree that the U.K was one of the worst things that ever happened to the Europe you speak of. Peace

  136. Essentially “blah blah Jews blah blah, everyone else to blame for our problems but ourselves”. Saker might be born to Eurotrash baby boomers, but he’s definitely American isn’t his blameless mentality.

  137. I used to row for Leicester rowing club in the mid 1970′s. (I worked in Rugby at the time). Leicester was already very Asian, although not a brown face was to be seen at LC matches.

    Things must have changed fast. I graduated from Leicester University in ’64 when Leicester was still an all English city. Brown was then the color chiefly of many of the cars —Rolls Royces (at the time Leicester was said to be the wealthiest town in England — built on the hosiery trade, in which my grandfather was employed. During the post-war (WW1) years, he managed the Wolsey Ltd. factory located in the center of town. Wolsey Ltd. was the oldest textile firm in England, named after Cardinal Wolsey who left his bones at the monastery in Leicester. The factory still stands, with a bas relief of the Cardinal over the main entrance, but it was shut down years ago and converted to low cost housing.)

    At the university, I remember only one African student, who we elected president of the students union mainly for the novelty of it, but also out of sympathy as some rude people had been saying they’d rather vote for a dog. There were also a few rich Arab students who lived at the Grand Hotel and owned flashy cars (everyone else lived in the slummy areas around the university and walked). They (the Arabs) learnt the result of the BBC’s 1962 University Challenge TV quiz, which Leicester won, before the program was broadcast, and made money going round the pubs taking bets on the result.

    My flat mate Bernard, probably a little before your time, rowed for the university. Six foot and a half with a huge beaky nose: a genius for picking up birds. If we went for a drink, he’d always chat up a couple to entertain us, and very kindly always invited me to take my pick — well for him it wasnt’ that serious because his girl-friend came over from Stoke on Trent or somewhere every Saturday afternoon, whereupon they would retire to bed and remain their until late Sunday afternoon.

    As for the soccer crowd, it’s apparently still the same. Rarely a brown face to be seen. So much for integration.

  138. “The Russian fascist idea that the EU’s expansion to the East is a plot against them is laughable delusion about the importance of Russia)”

    Yes, must agree: it would be delusional to see a plot merely in the EU’s eastward expansion….
    However, NATO’s eastward expansion goes way beyond a “plot” to a blindly obvious anti-Russian strategy. Just listen to the Russophobic ranting from General
    Breedlove on down.
    (My favourite bit of NATO B-S is the anti ballistic missile system for Eastern Europe: it’s there to protect Europe from… Iran ! Hilarious !)

  139. Wow WoO,

    What a doozy of questions. This is not the forum for such theological discussions, but I will attempt to answer in as much as I can due to the etiquette by which it was asked. Please remove your pre-conceived notions of God (perhaps anthropomorphic, etc.) as you have perhaps gleaned from the other Middle Eastern Abrahamic religions as I attempt to explain.

    He is the Creator of all that is and Omnipotent. He is Eternal and Omniscient. And he cares about us collectively and as individuals, how we fare and how we behave. He can communicate with us and does from time to time.

    Agreed on all points.

    for His entertainment to relieve the boredom of eternity then there is no problem except lack of evidence.

    From our (Muslim) perspective, incorrect. He (I use ‘He’ because in English it is disrespectful to call a conscious being ‘It’ – though in the Arabic, we use ‘hu’ – the gender-less pronoun) created time and space and transcends them both. There is no timeline for God. His Begin-lessness is congruent with His End-lessness – He does not age, thus boredom is inconceivable. He is causing your birth, rewarding you with Heaven or casting you in Hell, presiding over the Fall of Rome (all of them), sending His Messengers (pbut) all in the very now of the eternal moment (if we can give it a name). As the early Muslims used to say, “He was, before there was a ‘when’ and a ‘where’ – and He is now as He ever was.” He created the universe not for His benefit, as He is exalted above need of anything. The Divine Being was already self-aware of the Divine attributes; He originated creation, that His Omnipotence and Attributes be manifested to creation out of His generosity, not out of need. We would not have had a chance to know Him had He not brought us into existence. This is in essence, our chance to grasp this opportunity and interact with Him in order to make ourselves the locus of the manifestation of His mercy.

    Lack of evidence…correct…we live in the material world, it is the only yardstick by which we can measure – there can be no evidence of creation out of nothing (ex-nihilo). That is why there is a word called ‘belief’ – if it (or God) was provable by the senses our ‘belief’ in it would be as reflexive and meaningless as the ‘belief’ that Paris is in France.

    imperfect human prophets to tell the Hebrews that genocide was OK

    His Prophets (pbut) were true to their word. What is reported about them in the earlier books is suspect; we cannot confirm anything unless it stands in the Qur’an. As such, there is no mention of genocide, though there definitely is mention of the punishments of certain cities.

    Jesus gave quite different messages

    Again, that is what the Christians say. We do not confirm or deny anything except by witness of the Qur’an or the Prophet (pbuh). From what we know, our Master Jesus (pbuh) did not come to change anything from the law. He came to call the Children of Israel back to the spirit of the law as they had become legalistic and entranced by their own sophistry to make a mockery of the law. Also, we do not believe he claimed divinity – we consider that a Pauline deviation.

    Mohammed gave more different instructions from God

    Indeed, some different, some not so. This was the last version of the law for thee Son of Adam, cleansing belief of accretions from true transcendent monotheism and granting him a flexible foundations of laws from which he could decipher how to map out his individual life and that of society. The Son of Adam was on the cusp of his last stage, the training wheels had been removed. This was going to be the age when he would discover Newtonian physics and then question his own observation of causality by splitting the atom to find the quantum world of percentages and probabilities – he needed a belief that would withstand this onslaught to his intellect. He was going to communicate across cultures as never before and needed something that would give him a firm foundation of a broad human brotherhood. It is the prerogative of the Creator to require obedience in what He deems fit for His creation, though, in essence the law is for our benefit, not His.

    Sunni and Shia et al. were allowed to coexist in enmity, followed by Cathars, Albigensians, Hussites, Alawi, Ba’hai, Calvinists, Lutherans etc

    All have a choice to observe the various beliefs and make a choice as to what appeals to their intellect. Some deviations are not so bad, and we hope, will be pardoned out of His forgiveness. Some beliefs are absolutely not accepted by Him and He has made those clear from His Messengers (pbut). He is extremely generous towards the mistakes of His servants:
    Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. Indeed, God forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.” 39:53

    God the Almighty has said: ‘O Son of Adam, as long as you invoke Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O Son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and you then asked forgiveness from Me, I would forgive you. O Son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the Earth, and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as it.” – Tirmidhi

    How can that deity be one who cares about us or what we do?

    Because the success or failure of every soul and its chance to make that choice and strive for it is the whole purpose of creation. Please remember, all of the created universe means nothing to God intrinsically, it ‘requires’ the same non-effort to bring it into existence out of nothing as a grain of sand. It is simply a testing ground, it will be folded up once its use has come to an end and the test-takers are lined up to be graded and rewarded accordingly.

    And why no reliable message to the billions of Buddhists, Animists and Hindus?

    We do not believe that. The Prophet (pbuh) told us that thousands upon thousands of prophets and messengers were sent. We DO NOT believe the Semites have a monopoly on prophethood. So why the different beliefs then? Most likely accretions over time – we can only confirm the truth in their teachings as comports with what the Prophet (pbuh) taught us. For example, my wife studied Art History in university, she was surprised to learn, that for the first few centuries after the preaching of the Buddha, there were no images of him; they explode on the scene after about the 3rd century.

    I think though, you are hinting at something else. You are asking, why would God judge a people for a belief that they never had a chance to hear? For us, there are two opinions on this matter; 1) they will only be judged as to their belief in monotheism as that can be rationally arrived at (not heaven, hell, revealed books, messengers, etc. – that the Divine has to inform us about) and how they treated others, and 2) they will not be judged at all with regards to belief (because even correct monotheism must be Divinely revealed) only their treatment of others. This is for people who truly never heard the message or even those who only heard a horribly distorted message (think of those who have only heard about Islam through ISIS). They have an excuse before God.

    Anyway why did the idea of obeying and worshipping ever get off the ground?

    As I mentioned, He has no need of our worship, but it is obligatory on us due to His having informed us of His expectations on the lips of His Messengers (pbut). With regard to His worship (the duties we owe Him) – we have been informed He will be very generous with His forgiveness on the Day of Judgement to His servants. Yet a man’s reward is commensurate with his striving to earn the good graces of his Creator; levels and gradations of Paradise are not the same.

    The rules that are there with respect to society are for our own benefit, not His. This is where people will trip up very seriously, He will allow people to indict others for the harms that they visited upon them in this life (blood, property, honor, etc.) and there will be no escaping the evidence – so be very careful not to tread upon the rights of others before you die.

    That can only be consistent with His being pretty nasty and vengeful

    “I am as my slave expects Me to be…” – Bukhari

    We always think the best of our Creator and have hope in His mercy and generosity, not our deeds or false assumptions of piety. He has granted us human models to follow; those that outlined how to approach Him and earn His favor. Without that guidance, we would be miserably trying to figure it out ourselves.

    “In accordance with the real nature of things, it is the human that must conform to the Divine and not the Divine to the human.” – Seyyed Hossein Nasr

    Anyway, I reiterate, please take it for what it is worth as Orthodox Sunni belief (with details referenced from Imam Ghazali’s work – Ihya ‘Uloom ud-Din). This is bound to generate responses – I am not trying to start a debate about beliefs – I do not debate about beliefs; I just make clear what I have learned. I was asked a set of questions and responded as best I could. I will not answer any questions about this from anyone as this is not the proper forum to explore this topic further – out of respect for our gracious host Mr. Unz. If you sincerely want to engage further, please try to hook up with me using my website link to my Google profile.

    May God grant us all proper understanding of Him and forgive me for any mistakes I have made.

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  140. Yes, because Christian-majority South Sudan is a veritable heaven-on-earth since they broke apart from the Muslim north.
    http://www.unhcr.org/56fa3e0a9.html

    Please revisit your assumptions.

    Regardless what that the majority Sunni opinion is on the subject…

    ISIS couldn’t have put it better, sir. Welcome to the Reformation…

    Peace.

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  141. I don’t think he’d even care if you took position of the Golan

    I’m really confused right now. You do know that Israel currently occupies the Golan with the exception of a tiny slice that Syria won back in the 73 war, right? Are you thinking of something else maybe?

    Hey, Greasy. Just curious… what in your mind constitutes a “Jew hater”?

    Somebody who hates Jews, usually obsessively. Somebody like The Saker.

    As for whether opposing the existence of Israel makes someone a Jew hater, I would say that is not necessarily the case. Almost all Muslims oppose the existence of Israel but Muslims are rarely Jew haters.

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  142. You’re reading too much into my comment. What interests me is the nature of culture. And the nature of Jewish culture is never studied or analysed, except as a pre-written text by Jewish people. What I’m suggesting is that Jewish cultural influence, Jewish mentality, is discernable at quite subtle levels, such as the different underlying themes of sitcoms in US vs. UK. Jewish culture has a pragmatism to it – the Millionaire Matchmaker, for instance, maintains that the phrase ’till death us do part’ has a symbolic meaning; when the relationship dies, so it is OK to move on to another marriage. I’m not neccessarily trying to judge any culture as better or worse, I just find these differences interesting. Should Mildred have left George? I don’t know, but her putting up with him is funny. On the other hand in Friends, people are constantly getting themselves out of awkward situations; the joke is usually on the other person. Whereas north Europeans typically laugh at, and encourage others to laugh at, themselves and their own predicaments.

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  143. what in your mind constitutes a “Jew hater

    Perhaps it is someone who chooses to ignore large scale genocide , like Islamic Republic of Sudan killing millions , or Indonesia killing hundreds of thousands , or China killing millions , or Syria killing 300,000 , but instead single out one country that doesn’t do 10% of what the aforementioned bunch have done .

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  144. Please pay us the intellectual respect to stop lying about these matters and stick to facts.

    In the above quote you called me a liar for mentioning the islamic attack on christians celebrating easter. I posited this question that follows and you chose to evade the question . Do you care to answer the question now ??

    The aim of the Islamic terrorists was to kill Christians that were celebrating Easter , the majority of the victims were women and children . Do you deny this ? If you do not deny this , how can you call me a liar ?

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  145. Yes, because Christian-majority South Sudan is a veritable heaven-on-earth since they broke apart from the Muslim north.

    Well they haven’t killed millions of people like The Islamic Republic of Sudan has and they haven’t yet set up a militia like the Janjaweed , tasked with systematic rape and ethnic cleansing . By the way The Islamic Republic of Sudan was not content to just genocide the black Christians in the south . They also commit genocide on the black muslims in Darfur . They have the idea to arabize the black population thru rape .

    By the way , got any feelings on the Sudanese and the Janjaweed ?? Not real muslims eh ??
    Gee Wiz no one is a real muslim , yet muslims like to claim 1.7 billion .

  146. My conclusion is what seems to be the inevitable logical one, viz. that there can be no such being as the allegedly caring Creator whom we should worship and obey.

    Wiz, you miss the point. The literal truth of religion is irrelevant. To discuss whether belief in God is true is like discussing whether the gall bladder or the coccyx is true. As with the gall bladder, the question to ask about religion is what is its function? Religion is universal to humanity. Those who deny the existence of God, believe not in nothing, but, as GK Chesterton remarked, in absolutely anything, e.g., Vegetarianism, Communism, Political Correctness, Liberalism, etc.

    The best account of the religious impulse that I am aware of is Francis Fukuyama’s “The Origin of Political Order,” an outstandingly significant and dangerous book — dangerous in that it reveals the means by which the already too powerful state can more effectively control, enslave or genocide the people.

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  147. my cousin is pentecostal and he assures me that we all get a mansion to live in in heaven. I asked him if we get cleaning ladies, and are they Negroes, or what? He did not know.

    I also asked him if all the mansions were the same, and if so, how could one possess any bragging rights?

    And do we have sex in heaven?….like thos 70 alleged virgins…alleged virgin I mean, is there proof? And terrorists boom and boom and splatter guts all over the place, and do they reassemble themselves in heaven, with no mess to clean up. And their victims, do they get to take revenge and do we have Nietzsche’s eternal return, boom, mess, reassemble in heaven, boom , do it again and again, eternal entertainment.

    and what about race? are there races still there in heaven and are some smart and some dumb?

    And why would God make such mischief, in heaven as it is on earth?

    Actually the whole thing is absurd.

    When you are dead, you are dead and what you leave behind is some good, or a lot of nothing, or bad. Take your pick. If you are missed….that means that you lived a good life.

    All these childish fairy tales….silly boys and sillier girls.

    Joe Webb

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    Do not underestimate the German People. For Germany, nothing changes. Germany believed she didn’t need the old traditions before. But now she knows that she does! We’ll be as mighty again as we ever were! It’ll take time, but the ideals will be the same. When the drums beat and the bands play, and our flags wave again, and Grossdeutschland is united once more, then we’ll march together to the ends of the earth! One People. One Germany. One Leader!

  149. One ashen grey/brown race of slaves with lifeless eyes, serving the Synagogue of Satan.

  150. Greasy, off his meds again, goes:
    ‘by losing a war against 10,000, poorly armed, fanatics?

    Jew haters put way to much stock in Putin. Not only does he have pretty good relations with Israel (he buys our drones), he leads a backwards shithole of a country that isn’t capable of manufacturing the necessary weaponry to take us down.”

    Drinking the kool-aid again, ain’t u, old boy?

    See, greasy, you have got things mixed up, as usual, & ain’t that just a little sad… you have confused Putin and Russia with… israel.
    Putin never lost a war, u just made that up, as the sad little liar you are known to be… but then, it is probably in the blood…
    But in 2014, while your Daesh allies were rampaging in Iraq, distracting the world, the highly overated IOF(israeli occupation forces) launched a campaign against Gaza and despite massive numerical and firepower superiority were unable to defeat a few thousand lightly armed palestinian militia, who this time around demonstrated they r learning to fight the idf sissies, inflicting over 530 casualties on them. And that is bc the israeli sissies never dared go deep into gaza as intel predicted thousands of casualties if they did. In fact idf sissies have not won any wars since 73.

    Lucky for u, jewish supremacists, Russia is friendly towards the artificial zio ghetto entity.
    A war with Russia would cause a speedy demise to this cancer known as israel.

    Israels weakness and cowardice is the reason why you as*holes need the american dummies and waahabi mercenaries to fight your wars for you, such as in Iraq and Syria.

  151. Dear Rurik,

    May God bless you for always keeping me on my toes. It is late, but here goes…

    If you’re one of those rare men who could care less if your grandchildren have no physical resemblance to you whatsoever, then I suppose I should say kudos, you’ve thwarted a powerful genetic instinct

    Sure it would be nice to have a son-in-law that shares my same cultural heritage. But it is more important that he is an upright man with good character who will treat my daughter well and raise a good family with high morals and character. I would never surrender her to some idiot Pakistani that behaves like those knaves you see in the Paki-thug videos – Lord have mercy.

    Surely that is a touch hyperbolic, no?

    Indeed, let me clarify…please keep in mind that the Prophets (pbut) were sent to carry out the spiritual cleansing of mankind. There is nothing wrong with an appreciation and love for one’s heritage or a feeling to protect them, as in the examples you outlined. What is wrong is boastfulness – that is vanity, that is arrogance – it is a spiritual disease and must be excised from one’s soul. Bear in mind that the same God that created you and me out of nothing also chose the locus for our birth; you could have just as easily been born to an Eskimo family or a tribe of African pygmies – that was not your choice. If one finds that one has been born into a people who have noble, admirable traits and history; the spiritually daft reaction is to be arrogant about something one had no volition in – rather, one should be appreciative and grateful to God – and make it a means for one’s approach to Him – not distancing.

    Like you, I also have very little patience for those ultra-nationalists who run around pretending to be the best of the best and better than you and yours because ‘our ancestors did this or that’.

    This is what I’m talking about – so we agree.

    taking the Iberian peninsula by force of sword

    As I have mentioned in previous posts. I do not feel the need to apologize for Muslim conquests that dismantled any empire, kingdom, etc. nor do I feel anybody needs to apologize for the inverse of such actions. Those were different times. If you didn’t have an explicit treaty with some other sovereign, you were on permanent war-footing; you could expect to be attacked without notice and (wisely) conducted policy in that way. The only reason the kingdoms of that peninsula did not attack North Africa first was either; they didn’t have the logistics for a navy or felt it was not worth the effort. I guarantee you it was not due to a regard for Berber autonomy. Every other sovereign was either an immediate threat or a potential threat. The reason we know this to be the case is that, once the Muslims were kicked out, Portugal and Spain built navies, the likes of which hadn’t been seen since Roman times. The fearsome sails of the Portugese Navy and Spanish Armada exploded on the world and brought down the Aztecs, Mayans, and a host of other local kingdoms from the Phillipines to the Caribbean. The English may have been speaking Spanish or French too if their navies hadn’t been defeated at Trafalgar. Why didn’t they stay in Iberia? Simple, they had a navy, they used it. To place our assumptions of current prevailing international law upon that time is anachronistic. If Morocco was to try to invade Spain now, this would be in violation to the covenants that they are signatory to and be morally wrong – and vice versa.

    My only concern is, how was the population treated. And from the books of history that I have read and can recommend, like this one:
    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8280.html

    It is clear that the population was generally treated well by their occupiers (not necessarily of the same social status or mobility); barring certain incidents and flare ups like the Grenada Massacre of 1066 or the initial years of the Almohad takeover, etc. If you have evidence to the contrary from a reliable source, please present it.

    if the British decided to return to Pakistan and India, and demanded areas be set up for British peoples to settle, and adjustments made to the culture to accommodate alcohol consumption and brothels and assorted Western cultural hegemony, I wonder how tolerant Talha and the rest of Pakistan would be, eh?

    First of all, we both agree that letting them in is the prerogative of the Pakistanis, correct? So let’s assume that these Brits actually have some benefit to provide to Pakistan and come unarmed and wish to settle there and the Pakistanis accept them. In that case, from what I can see in the medieval literature, there is no real bar for them from setting up semi-autonomous settlements as long as they adhere to the rules of protected citizenry (dhimmi). Rules of Shariah do not apply to non-Muslims, especially in their areas. The Muslim view is, that the rules of Islam are for the benefit of society; if you want to take your people to hell in a hand-basket with liquor and brothels, your choice – in fact the consequence of such choices make the truth of Islam manifest. Don’t know if you’ve heard of the famous ‘heera mandi’ area in Punjab – trust me, the oldest profession operates even in Muslim countries, even as an ‘open secret’. The rulings may be different in a Muslim area, I would have to ask a qualified scholar as I cannot find that detail. They have the right to have their own judicial system and only have to defer to a Shariah court if they have a dealing with a Muslim. I am no expert in current Pakistani citizenship rules so I am not sure of the technical details of how the Brits would fit in – I assume much like the current Christians. But I do know of the people of the Kalasha Valley (called Kafiristan by the Muslims) who are relatively free and left to their own design without much outside interference – they are actually much like the Yazidi and the Hanafi school of jurisprudence – which predominates in Pakistan – finds no problem with having them as covenanted citizens. Here is a fascinating look at their culture and history:
    https://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472097830-01.pdf

    They don’t have a ton of opportunities and not much upward social mobility without converting, but they are free to define their culture as they like.

    Any way – time for bed.

    May God bless you and yours.

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  152. [ I live a boring life.]

    Yes, I didn’t think you became such an outlandish liar from a surplus of excitement.

  153. Your interlocutor just read a cribsheet for the hasbara graveyard shift, he doesn’t even know what continent Sudan is on.

  154. This exchange reminds me of learning how standing (as I suppose not dumb or unable to make a go of earning a good living for a family) in the Jewish community was a vital factor for lots of Jews who weren’t very smart or weren’t yet established in business or profession. It was brought home to me most forcefully when I was asked to help a not specially successful Jewish jeweller who had been accused of an attempted insurance scam involving jewels imported from or at least allegedly bought in Hong Kong. I rang a senior policeman to see if he could help resolve some puzzling questions and he said frankly and confidently that he thought it was all about shame and disgrace and standing in the Jewish community (obviously guilty I think was being conveyed even if it ended up only being dealt with as a failed insurance claim).

    Then there was the young lawyer for lots of rich Jews – not their main lawyer I guess – who was found to have been showing tiny Madoff buds when his murdered body was found in a Cambodian hotel room. Typical case of someone pushing too hard and far to prove he wasn’t as second rate and dumb as was the truth.

    These sad stories would fit with the 1898 quote of a Pole someone recently posted which picked on the sad truth that the great (if somewhat obscurantist) tradition of Talmudic scholarship which prepared clever post Enlightenment Jews (by culture and genetic selection) for success in the law and academe was a disaster for the (relatively) dumb, most likely illiterate and certainly unrefined Jew who sought to emulate the style of the clever and learned. I can see how Eastern European peasants would often have loathed them. Very sad, as the Jews I know in England, for example (with one exception come to think of it) are the best English gentlefolk such as to revivify the memory of the “English gentleman” with fresh applause. The exception was just one who tried too hard. I never heard him referred to as Jewish but he was like any rather unimpressive person who tries to be omnipresent and ever helpful craving approbation of his organising efforts and willingness to handle the boring detail. Same syndrome perhaps as those I referred to above who were seeking to bolster their standing in the Jewish community.

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  155. Far be it from me to insist on disputing your implicit claim to a high enough level of intellect to allow you to judge confidently that someone is a fool. But please satisfy my curiosity. Did you get my Humpty Dumpty reference? Much more a matter of culture than intellect though of course there would be a correlation on UR.

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  156. You combine rudeness with recklessness and I’m afraid sheer ignorance. Far from Chechnya being like Florida, Alaska or Hawaii – though you seem to realise that they share a certain faint element historically of unAmericanness that is not really in point – it is the Chechen Republic and was or was a major part of one of the Soviet Socialist Republics which sought total independence – like Georgia, Ukraine etc – when the Soviet Union disintegrated. You should be aware that Soviet Republics were not like states of the USA – so different in fact that Ukraine and Byelorussia, which were both like Chechnya Soviet republics, were made full members of the United Nations in 1945. So Chechens, not surprisingly, saw and see themselves as a nation. It’s a while since Hawaiians felt that.

    In any case your attempt at trivial pedantry missed the point he was trying to make which was that Muslim polities are badly run, or something like that.

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  157. What an impressively logical and eloquent reply. Thank you. I only wish I could have a couple of hours in which to respectfully but insistently cross examine you to bring to the fore your essential premises which I would say are all based on faith derived from something or someone you have chosen to treat as authority even in your mature years, and not demonstrable as truths in the way that the truth or falsity of propositions in physics or other hard sciences – or even the softer sciences like psychology or economics – are tested and proved.

    That’s all fine by me up to the point where any person of faith seeks to impose on me their idea of morality based on their faith or allegedly so. Catholics and Evangelicals can be just as bad as they seek to punish people who undergo or perform abortions based on nothing but a theologically or dogmatically derived view of a two cell organism being a human being that should be protected.

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  158. And please: your website URL because I have not been able to find it by Googling?????

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    I was born on a Navajo Indian Reservation. My country also has been stolen. I also am angry.

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    Blah. This is divisive among Europeans. “…….but then they included Spain,Italy,Portugal and Greece, ………painful as it was bla bla bla. Listen I have done much research, all countries in Europe share a same culture and faith. I came here after reading an article on Breitbart……what a mistake. My first article too.

  161. Perhaps it is someone who chooses to ignore large scale genocide…

    I prefer GW’s response. It’s more honest, unlike yours.

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    Yes, Trump has already done some very very wonderfull things in terms of destroying the SYSTEM..however, we shouldn’t be giving a blank check to Donald to bomb Iran and to keep importing Asian legal immigrants. This requires an official opposition now to keep Trump honest.

    Trump’s immigration policy is at best a modest restrictionist policy…What is needed is mass expulsions of all the various nonwhite legal immigrant fifth columns. The “good” Asian legal immigrants are enthusiastically voting us into a racial minority on Nov 8 2016….And these are the kind of nonwhite legal immigrants that Donald is enamoured of.

  163. You err, wizard. The Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic did not have the same status as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic or the Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. Unlike them, it was not a constituent republic of the USSR, but only an administrative-territorial division of another constituent republic, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.

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  164. If you are right, as I presume, I thank you. It only slightly affects my point about Parbe’s choleric and offensive criticism of another commenter because clearly none of the US states are comparable to the Chechen Republic as aspirant independent countries and it misses the original point. That was about the quality of governance in Muslim polities and it is not dealt with by arguing legal niceties about sovereignty.

    A better parallel would have been Scotland which is I think no more or less independent of the UK than Chechnya is of Russia or the USSR. Supposing someone referred to the quality of government in countries with a substantial ethnic Scottish influence and cited Canada, New Zealand and Scotland, would anyone explode with the indignant pedantry of the half educated auto didact? I don’t think so – though one couldn’t be sure about Parbe.

  165. You do us all a service with your sincere and eloquent efforts to explain Islam.

    God bless

  166. With respect it is you that missed the point that I was interested in.

    Precise words are de rigeur so I presume to correct your formulation on one narrow point that you put as if it refutes some argument or proposition of mine.

    “To discuss whether belief in god is true” is NOT like discussing “whether the gall bladder or coccyx is true” if you mean by “belief in god is true” “belief in the existence of an Abrahamic god is correct” which was what I was suggesting was wrong. I was suggesting that because the Abrahamic God has incompatible features when you put together the knowledge of Himself that he appears to have allowed to be delivered by his messengers.

    Chesterton was witty but superficial and no guide to what the most intelligent and precise thinkers amongst non-theists are like in the 21st century (or in the world of Lucretius for that matter). Rather than Fukuyama I would look to evolutionary psychology and sociology to explain the very strong religious instinct in people. One relevant trait in times of assault by surplus young Muslim males may have been the tendency of tribes to survive and multiply if they were held together in war by an inherited tendency to seek and believe in the tribal religion.

  167. What I’m suggesting is that Jewish cultural influence, Jewish mentality, is discernable at quite subtle levels, such as the different underlying themes of sitcoms in US vs. UK.

    OK, but are you suggesting that British sitcoms are not as influenced by Jews as the US versions are? I’d be surprised to hear that. Are Jews not as pervasive in British media as they are in the US? Does not Rupert Murdoch also own or control much of British media? Is the rest owned and controlled by Gentiles? This would shock me.

    as to the discernible differences between Jewish cultural influence vs. Western Europeans, that’s pretty much a stereotypical meme by now. Jews tend to be a little more crass in their humor than the more reserved Euros, me thinks. Situational humor is usually more risqué and often even offensive, perhaps at times for the sake of it. But then it does often ‘work’. Think Two and a Half Men for instance, vs. … well, I honestly don’t know of any sitcoms that aren’t produced by Jews today. So I’m at a loss. But if there were any, they’d probably be less scatological and deal less with overt sexual situations. Like what we had in the fifties. More boring perhaps, but less offensive.

    I’m not sure if that’s what you’re talking about tho.

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  168. Dear Talha,

    Sure it would be nice to have a son-in-law that shares my same cultural heritage.

    It’s just simple human nature. Your son-in-law is going to become part of your family, and his family is going to become part of yours. If there were extreme differences between your family and his, it would likely bring strife, of some kind or another.

    As you can imagine, if your son-in-law were a Westerner and secular in his spiritual views in the extreme, to the point of proselytizing and advocating atheism, it could make for some interesting family dinners, no?

    I hear from other fathers in the US, not so much a desire for their daughters to marry a white or black man, depending on what they themselves are, but just they whomever they marry not be hostile to them. If they’re white, they don’t want their daughters to marry a man who hates white people. (they are legion) And the same is true if they’re black, they don’t want their daughters to marry a man who has issues with blacks and black culture and black American values. Women tend to accept a value system of their husbands, not always, but generally. And for most Western peoples, the values and way of life of Islam are not just alien, but anathema to our way of life based on freedom and women’s rights and wanton heresy, often just for the sake of it.

    Western people often mock societal (especially religious) norms and ridicule edicts from on high, especially from the clouds. There is a rift that is wide between Islam and American values of freedom for freedom’s sake, and I don’t know if it is easily bridged.

    It is clear that the population was generally treated well by their occupiers (not necessarily of the same social status or mobility); … …. If you have evidence to the contrary from a reliable source, please present it.

    I don’t need evidence to the contrary, your first sentence is all the evidence I require to point out that a people being occupied and “treated well” by their occupiers is all the reason enough in the world to kill every last one of the occupiers and put their heads on a pike- as a warning to any and all who would presume to occupy my people. And I’m not just talking about African Muslims occupying (and dominating and oppressing and virtually enslaving by definition) the people of Spain, but any who would presume to be our overlords. This is why I condemn those who would try to resurrect the reputation of the Nazis, because were I a Slav, I’d have wanted and intended to kill every last one of them. Same goes for the Irish feelings towards the British, who may have felt that they were treating the Irish well, even if they didn’t have the same social status, never the less, I wouldn’t begrudge the Irish the will to see the English troops removed, one way or the other.

    One of my main mantras is self determination. For all peoples. And any who would trounce on that iron imperative, deserves what they get, IMHO.

    I am no expert in current Pakistani citizenship rules so I am not sure of the technical details of how the Brits would fit in – I assume much like the current Christians.

    are Christians allowed to mass immigrate into Pakistan? Or any Muslim country?

    Does Pakistan have its doors open to the millions of refugees coming out of Syria and all the war torn countries of Africa?

    If not, then by what right do they demand that the West commit cultural, spiritual and ethnic suicide?

    May the Gods grant you peace always

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  169. Israel currently occupies the Golan

    illegally

    you see Greasy, that is why this whole charade with ISIS. Because Israel wants to steal and take possession of the Golan for themselves, but it belongs to Syria. And as long as Syria is an intact country recognized by the UN and all other countries, then Israel can’t really steal it for themselves. So they sit there, with their oil deals and geologists and assorted scumfucks, trying to figure out how to steal the land and its resources for themselves. Isn’t that something? They foment these wars in order to destroy stable governments and get hundreds of thousands of men, women and children slaughtered and maimed and displaced, all so they can steal other people’s property.

    What kind of people feel entitled to just steal their neighbors property?

    What kind of people do such things Greasy?

  170. I’m not entirely sure what is the crux of your comment; I think your brow may be a little higher than mine. But in the spirit of convivial interlocution, I’ll offer this: on one of Steve Pinker’s youtube talks about IQ to some Jewish society, he said that his parents’ generation were mostly artisans, tailors and other. And that generation did not aspire for their children to go into academia; rather they preferred them to continue the family businesses. Hope that doesn’t seem too random by way of response. (pbuy)

  171. We need a new Potsdam Conference. At Potsdam, Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt agreed that (1) all German ethnic civilians should be expelled from Europe based on their ethnicity alone, and (2) German ethnic civilians could be used as slave labor for years after WWII.

    15 million were forced out on the road, men, women, and children. Their property was confiscated. Some 2 million were starved or killed. Many of the women and girls were raped.

    If our great leaders had the courage to ethnically cleanse Europe of “innocent” German civilians all across Europe, surely we can muster the courage to do the same with “innocent” Muslim civilians all across Europe, too.

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  172. http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/03/30/458334/Syria-nonstarter-Josh-Earnest/

    the US government is so blatantly and abjectly The Bitch of Israel, that it has the temerity to tell the Syrian people who can and can’t be in their government.

    and it’s all so Israel can steal Syrian oil-rich land; the Golan Heights

    (and of course Turkey wants to steal some too)

    that’s why millions of people have been tortured and murdered, their homes and villages bombed into smoking ruins. The US government sends arms and funding and provides logistical support for head-slicing sub-human cannibals and two-legged dogs who burn people alive and enslave young girls to horrors unimaginable, all so Israel can steal other people’s property, and some uber-scumfucks on the world’s stage, like Cheney and Woolsey and Murdock and other human worms can scrounge a few more shekels from the tragic and terrible horrors visited upon these poor people.

    we are witness in our time to pure evil. Satanic evil unleashed. Men who do Satan’s work for evil reasons of greed and insatiable avarice. Children die horrible deaths so that men with rotten souls can get richer. Entire counties are destroyed so that power-crazed scum can steal and plunder. All in America’s name. All with our government’s blessings.

    America is under the thrall of pure evil. God help us all.

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  173. marwan: purveyor of worthwhile conversation

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  174. The ludicrously named Josh Earnest seems to have missed the fact that the US proxies lost the war in Syria. You don’t get to rewrite the ending of a war at the conference table.

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  175. I don’t give a damn about your stupid contrived “references”, you pretentious buffoon.

  176. occasionally I like to peruse other forums for different perspectives

    this one has a lot of Russophiles

    http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/topic/270749-russia-withdrawing-forces-from-syria/page-3

    good article about half way down

  177. Dear WoO,

    Indeed, the question of authority is of paramount.

    You can reach me here:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/109750861504888023138

    Just a couple of things though:
    1) I do NOT debate theology, I can answer questions to the best of my ability
    2) I cannot possibly prove the premise of Islam on anything along the lines of something like a reproducible laboratory experiment or a mathematical equation. If that is what you are looking for, you’ll be disappointed – if I could, people would have no choice but to become Muslim. I can only demonstrate that there is nothing illogical in its core beliefs nor in the assumptions of the authority of its primary sources.

    As for the others who have or will respond. Please do not expect a response (except you, Rurik – you are welcome). As I stated, this is not the proper forum. You can contact me directly through my Google profile if you wish to discuss sincerely – keeping the above two points in mind.

    May God grant us all guidance.

  178. Hah hah hah, the pretentious neocon buffoon makes a complete FOOL of himself, LOL. And meanwhile calling ME ignorant – talk about the pot calling the kettle black! “5371″ gave the best possible answer to you, so I don’t need to add anything. Also you’re exhibit A again, for how neocon lowlifes are the main international backers of Chechen separatism (together with Saudi buddies, of course…)

    Oh and by the way – not only are you a buffoon, but in addition, it seems you can’t read properly either: “your attempt at trivial pedantry missed the point he was trying to make which was that Muslim polities are badly run”… Go back and reread and try to understand (if you can!) what I said in my previous post about “off-topic subconscious promotion of anti-Russian separatism”, neocon dork-boy…

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  179. Yes, yes.

    You people write hundreds of articles describing the problem, yet none describing the solution.

    What are you going to do about it?

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  180. I think you missed my point. It was not that the attack did not occur – that is a matter of fact.

    You keep calling it:

    the islamic attack on christians celebrating easter

    I simply pointed, using sources that it is as Islamic as adultery or drinking wine.

    So please stop lying by calling it ‘islamic’.

    As for your other claims; no doubt, some Muslim governments have done horrible things in the past and continue to do so. The architects of such policies will be held to account on the Day of Judgement if they do not meet justice in this world.

    Peace.

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  181. god, pardon me, do we need all this theology? Precisely, this shouldering aside of reality based political thinking by the nice muslims here is exactly and purely, propaganda.

    O so sweet and friendly. We had a term for this type of propaganda back in the 60s and 70s…love bombing. The hare krishnas would love bomb their victims to hijack their minds and glom onto them.

    Rationality takes second or third place to love bombing for at-risk individuals.

    This is a secular type of list. Religion is a trap. Only the most abstract aspects of religion should be addressed, like its subversive aspects…God, even if nobody else, loves you and His holy name is….peace and love be with you, glory to the Holy of Holies, and if you insult him you should be killed.

    Joe Webb

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  182. Rurik: “This is why I condemn those who would try to resurrect the reputation of the Nazis, because were I a Slav, I’d have wanted and intended to kill every last one of them.”

    Hmmm… I’m sorry to hear you condemn moi, my friend, I’m hurt… hahaha

    But really Rurik, first of all, context, my man, context; NS racism is blown out of proportion by the victors propaganda and taken out of context. If one wants to be honest about it, one needs to look at it in its appropriate time frame, 1930s-40s, not with the mindset of a western man in the 21st century. Churchill is on record saying that the anglo-saxon pest “race” was the best in the world.
    One might object by saying he(or other brits) did not act on it while the NS did. That is bull.
    On what was based the notion of the British Empire?
    On the other hand, the NS did NOT go to war with Poland bc of some racist bs nonsense, but for very real geopolitical issues. Basically Germany had part of its lands and people stolen and East Prussia was severed from the rest of the country. Take a look at the map of Europe 1914 and 1923.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zp3ncdm
    The German offer was more than reasonable as it relinquished most german territories grabbed by Poland in return for Danzig and a corridor linking to East Prussia.

    As for the Soviet Union, again the war had nothing to do with a german race supremacist notion or even empire. At that point in the war, and given the way the Soviet regime was acting towards it, Germany was left with no choice but to strike the soviets preemptively.

    Btw, do u remember I once told you the present Russian authorities just won’t let go of the BS propaganda myths about the red army ‘liberating’ Eastern Europe, the baltics, etc, and that the myths of the so called great patriotic war are too important to be abandoned and replaced for the factual truth?
    Take a look at this article from RT:
    “Ambassador blasts new Polish campaign against WWII Red Army monuments”
    https://www.rt.com/politics/337902-ambassador-blasts-polish-campaign-against/

    Take care.

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  183. Well Joe, I for one appreciate the vast knowledge of some our posters here. We don’t have to agree with it all, to at least try to get a handle on some of their ‘truths’, as they see them. I have a very limited knowledge of Islam, and the Quran. It is the religion of over a billion people, and increasingly they are effecting our world. Perhaps almost exclusively because of that other religion who they’ve been fighting with for centuries.

    I’d have preferred if they could have kept all that hate and religion and hostility in the Middle East where it belongs, but because of the greed and avarice and treachery of some of our own citizens, (pres. Wilson for instance), now it’s here, in my back yard. I may as well do what I can to understand it. Why not?

    but

    His holy name is….peace and love be with you, glory to the Holy of Holies, and if you insult him you should be killed.

    it is hard to argue with the irony of this sentiment ; )

  184. pardon me, do we need all this theology?

    We most certainly do not. Which is precisely why I answered the very specific questions that I was asked and let people know to move the discussion elsewhere.

    This is a secular type of list. Religion is a trap.

    So you say…would you mind removing religious motivations and questions of religious authority from the analysis of the following European conflicts (which led to a total population loss of an estimated 20%): Hugenots Wars, Eighty Year’s War, Thirty Year’s War

    Heck, even the 100 Year’s War took on a religious bent once Joan de Arc comes on the scene.

    Only the most abstract aspects of religion should be addressed

    I would think that someone interested in analyzing the motivations of the Muslims (so often on one’s TV screen nowadays) from any sort of objective (even scientific) perspective would want to know a little in regards to the science of their jurisprudence (NOT theology) by which these people arrive at the legitimacy (or not) of their actions and insights into the crisis of religious authority that is pervading the Muslim world. One can dismiss any of my contributions to the forum. I already know that many will do this – which is why I cite solid sources for the claims I put forth for those reading with an open intellect. You can dismiss with ad hominem attacks of course – but opinions are like belly buttons…

    May God preserve you and yours.

  185. Did ANYONE really ever consider themselves “European”? I lived in Britain and spent time in Germany and I can tell you, most of the people I knew in those two countries would get violent if you called them “Europeans.”

    Even worse to utter the words “EU.” But these are very smart people who know darn well the “AngloZionist” (as you call it) agenda to destroy them, culturally.

    Think of the EU as an accounting trick and “Europe” as a geography lesson for Bart Simpson and I think you know all there is to know.

    As for the immigrants….. that one’s a little tougher to fix.

  186. Come on man.

    Are you comparing Israel, a first world Western nation, to the backwaters that are Sudan….Indonesia….Syria…China? Really? Is this, in your eyes, a fair and equal comparison? Because those countries get treated like shit in the international community….nothing compared to how Israel gets treated.

  187. Some observations.

    An interesting topic – contrasts between English humour and,er… well, humor delivered with a variant of English as a medium.

    But really I falter, attempting wit at the moment – scant attention paid to subtlety – and therein lies the quintessential difference. English humour [and comedy by extension] is typically driven by the light touch of sarcasm and irony, often directed at one’s own self, and to appreciate it requires something of a trained ear and for the speaker, a dead-pan delivery of the genuine article.

    Quite at risk of sounding rather defensive, Helena, I submit that ‘Jewish humor’ as practised in America is merely a product that sells well to the target audience, whose history and culture had long past dispensed with the devices of subtlety and double entendre. Mostly. [and that, I beseech you, is not a snobbish remark at all..... just stating facts.]

    Hitch for instance, laid the blame of his own relative inability at self-deprecation, entirely to the late discovery of his Jewish roots. [sardonic smile followed by chortles!] As a contrast, he once regaled his audience with the story of an encounter with the late Norman St. John-Stevas – politician and barrister who previously failed to find vocation as cardinal – upon being complimented on the colour of his rather well worn cardigan, remarked [with stuttered Oxbridge delivery] ” I call it the crushed cardinal!”. It caused very different reactions on the mixed audience of Brits and Americans.

    Well there it is. Also Peter Sellers. Wasn’t he Jewish? [although if memory serves. he wasn't too keen on disclosing that detail]

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