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We now know a little more about which version of the S-300 family the Russians have delivered to the Syrians: the Russians have converted a number of S-300PM and S-300P2 systems to the export version S-300PMU-2 “Favorit” which, by the way, is also the version Russia delivered to the Iranians and to the Chinese. This system uses the 48N6E2 missile and has an official range of 195km. I will skip the rest of the technical details and just say that this is a recent modification with excellent capabilities, so all the rumors about Russia delivering some antiquated version of the S-300 are now proven false (as usual). In fact, this is not the first time that the Russians have delivered an “Israeli-restraining” air defense system: in 1983 the USSR delivered a number of S-200VE “Vega-E” (SA-5b) air defense systems to Syria which significantly limited Israeli operations over and even around (AWACS) Syria.

Combined with the EW systems also delivered by Russia, these air defense systems clearly are having an impact on US and Israeli operations. And while the Americans are admitting that this is a problem for them, the Israelis, as usual, have both complained about this delivery and boasted that they did not care at all. adding that they would continue to bomb Syria whenever they feel the need. The Israelis have even declared that they would be willing to kill Russian crews if their aircraft are shot at. Except, of course, that so far the Israelis have stayed out of the Syrian skies (keep in mind that according to Israeli sources in 2017 the IDF attacked Syria over 200 times, roughly one attack every 2nd day!).

This time around, not only are the Israelis facing a much more competent air defense system, this system is also highly mobile and therefore much harder to locate, which will greatly complicate future attacks. Furthermore, since one S-300PMU2 battalion can track 300 targets (and engage 36 with 72 missiles simultaneously) at a very long range, the Syrians will now improve their early warning capabilities tremendously, which will make it much harder for the Israelis to successfully conduct surprise attacks against Syria.

Sooner or later, however, we can be pretty confident that both the Israelis and the US will have to try to strike Syria again, if only for PR purposes. In fact, this should not be too difficult for them, here is why:

First, and contrary to what is often claimed, there are not enough S-300/S-400′s in Syria to indeed “lock” all of the Syrian airspace. Yes, the Russians did create a de-facto no-fly zone over Syria, but not one which could withstand a large and determined attack. What the combined Russian and Syrian forces have done so far is to deny some specific segments of the airspace above and around Syria to the AngloZionist aggressors. This means that they can protect some specific, high-value targets. However, as soon as the US/Israelis get a feel for what has been deployed and where, and how this entire integrated air defense network works, they will be able to plan strikes which, while not terribly effective, will be presented by the propaganda machine as a major success for the AngloZionists.

Second, air defense operations are always a game of numbers. Even if you assume that each of the air defense missile has a probability of a kill of 1 (meaning that every air defense missile fired will destroy one incoming missile), you still cannot shoot down more missiles than what your own stores allow you to fire. The US/NATO/CENTCOM can, if needed, engage many more missiles in a saturation attack than the Russians have available for defense. This is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

Third, the US/NATO/CENTCOM/IDF all have advanced EW capabilities which will allow them to try to disrupt the Russian fire and reconnaissance capabilities, especially if low RCS aircraft (such as the F-22, F-35, B-1B, etc.) are used in the attacks. Low-RCS aircraft (and missiles) don’t have to operate alone and, in reality, they are often engaged with the support of a determined EW effort.

Finally, the Empire also has long-range weapons which could be used to strike Syria (such as the AGM-158 JASSM low-RCS standoff air-launched cruise missile), especially during a combined electronic warfare and standoff antiradiation missile attack.

So, all the AngloZionists really need to do is to be very careful in their choice of paths of approach and choice of targets, use low-RCS aircraft and missiles under the cover of a robust EW engagement and then use a large enough number of missiles to give the appearance that the Empire has defeated the Russian and Syrian air defenses.

Judging by their past attacks against Syria, the US and the Israelis are far more concerned with the need to appear very powerful, effective and quasi-invulnerable than by actually achieving some meaningful military objective. Of course, this need to appear invulnerable also means that the AngloZionists really cannot afford to have one of their aircraft shot down, hence their current reluctance to test out the Syrian air defense capabilities.

Sooner or later, however, the Israelis will have to try to “defeat the S-300″ as they would put it.

The problem for the Israelis is that they don’t really have any good options. The problem is not so much a technological one as it is a political one.

ORDER IT NOW

Let’s assume that the Israelis conduct a successful strike against a meaningful target (if their attack is symbolic, the Russians and Syrians can just limit their reply to the usual protests and denunciations, but take no real action). What would Russia do? Well, the Russians (Shoigu specifically) have already indicated that, if needed, they would increase the number of S-300 batteries (and required support systems) delivered to Syria. Thus, the main effect of a successful attack on Syria will be to make subsequent attacks even harder to plan and execute. Would that really be a desirable outcome for the Israelis? I don’t think so.

If each successful Israeli strike makes each subsequent strike even harder while increasing the danger for Israeli aircraft, what would be the point of such attacks? Are there any truly high-value targets in Syria whose destruction by the IDF would justify triggering a further degradation of the situation in Syria? Conversely, if you were Syrian (or Iranian), would you not want the Israelis to strike Syria (or even S-300 batteries) hard enough to force the Russians to deliver even more air defense systems (not necessarily S-300s by the way!)?

Just as with the case of Hezbollah in Lebanon (which the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 helped create), and the coming to power of Hassan Nasrallah at the head of Hezbollah (which the murder of Abbas al Moussawi by the Israelis in 1992 propelled to the position of Secretary General of the organization), the Israelis are re-discovering again and again the truism: while simple, brute force violence does appear to be effective in the short term, in the mid to long-term it always fails unless backed by meaningful political measures. The big axiomatic truth which the Israelis still are stubbornly refusing to recognize is that all true security is always collective (something the Russians have been repeating for years now). In the case of Syria, Israel would be much, much better off negotiating some kind of deal with the Russians, the Iranians and the Syrians (even an unofficial one!) than trying to prevail by blowing up targets in Syria.

I would even argue that with the Trump presidency now dramatically increasing the rate of collapse of the AngloZionist Empire the Israelis need to start making plans to involve other actors in their regional policy. The truth is that the US is not in a position anymore to remain a key player in Middle-Eastern politics and that decades of abject submission to the Likudnik agenda have irreparably damaged the US credibility and influence in the Middle-East (and the rest of the world).

I would compare the delivery of S-300PMU-2 “Favorit” batteries to Syria to a chess opening or an irreversible move like castling: it does not, by itself, decide the outcome of the game, but it does create a baseline environment in which both players will need to operate. For the Russians, the next step is quite obvious: to continue to deliver all types of air defense systems to the Syrians (especially more Pantsirs) with the goal of eventually being able to protect the entire Syrian airspace from any attacks by the US or Israel. The main elements of a multi-layered air defense network are already deployed, Syria now only needs larger numbers. I very much hope that Russia will provide them.

 
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  1. Realist says:

    S-300 are useless if you don’t use them.

  2. The scalpel says: • Website

    A major decision point will be if and when the Syrians/Russians decide to make good on Putin’s threat to retaliate against not just the attacking aircraft or missiles, but the platform that launched them. Unlike F-16s or cruise missiles, the “platforms that launch them” cannot easily evade retaliation. Furthermore, such an act of retaliation is completely justified self-defense.

    Once this turning point is reached, attackers will have to accept the possibility of significant losses after every attack. This will short-circuit the cat and mouse game of F-16 versus S 300.

    For what it’s worth, I believe that turning point has already been reached regarding any attacks on Russian assets.

  3. How many F-22s…F-15s can the US Public tolerate being blown out of the Syrian sky?

    Satan himself…John Bolton…is running Donald Trump’s Policy in the Middle East.

    And when you throw in legal homo filth marriage and homos in the Boy Scouts…..well, America has ceased to be a Christian Nation.

    If America is a Christian Nation…then the biological mutant Rachel MADDOW is a soccer mom…

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Z-man
  4. JLK says:

    Russia has already given Israel what it originally wanted in Syria, i.e. elimination of most of the Syrian chemical weapons. It has tried to effect a reasonable compromise and kept the Iranians away from the Israeli border. So the issue is whether the Israelis are willing to escalate to get more then the Russian attempt at a fair compromise.

    I’m sure a lot of analysts on both sides would like clarification on just how the F-35s would perform against the more advanced S-300 and even the S-400 AA systems. Resolving this unknown issue might even foster stability because both sides would know what they are working with. It would be a dry run for an attack on Iran, for example.

    However, there are other pressure points that Russia could bring to bear against Israel. Pressuring Israel in turn pressures the US Congress because of the enormous AIPAC influence.

  5. @Realist

    Yep, hardware does not matter. What matters is the will to use it. We shall see.

  6. @War for Blair Mountain

    I had always thought that the USA was a nation where Christian citizens were free to practice their faith(s) as they choose to, as are citizens who follow other religious faiths too. Where did you get the idea that “America is a Christian Nation”?

  7. Erebus says:
    @Realist

    S-300 are useless if you don’t use them.

    But not if you don’t have to use them because their presence keeps the adversary at bay.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Carroll Price
  8. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    “with the Trump presidency now dramatically increasing the rate of collapse of the AngloZionist Empire”

    That’s not Trump. That’s demographic replacement via mass immigration. Learn the lesson and apply it well.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @Dagandy
  9. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    The big axiomatic truth which the Israelis still are stubbornly refusing to recognize is that all true security is always collective

    Living as a minority in countries around the world the Jewish people have learned a lesson of maintaining loyalty within their own ranks combined with mistrust and combativeness with outsiders, i.e. everybody else.
    Now that they have their own country the realities change. Expect their cultural and psychological change to lag far behind.

    • Replies: @Chase
  10. Begemot says:
    @Realist

    You are not familiar with the concept of deterrence?

    • Replies: @Realist
  11. @Realist

    How foolish! Is an arsenal of thermonuclear weapons useless unless you use them? Is President Theodor Roosevelt’s big stick useless unless you use it? Please, think before you write.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Realist
  12. Realist says:
    @Erebus

    But not if you don’t have to use them because their presence keeps the adversary at bay.

    True, but that is not guaranteed. In the past the US and Israel has called Putin’s bluff.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  13. Realist says:
    @Macon Richardson

    Is an arsenal of thermonuclear weapons useless unless you use them?

    How stupid to compare thermonuclear weapons (offensive) with an air defense system (defensive).

    • Replies: @Chase
    , @Lurker
  14. Realist says:
    @Begemot

    You are not familiar with the concept of deterrence?

    Are you not familiar with the fact that Russian personnel an material are present in Syria and still the US and Israel attack the Syrian government and military at will…..where is the deterrence???

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Whitewolf
  15. @Realist

    You’re right that Russia certainly hasn’t deterred all US and Israeli interference in Syria.

    But wouldn’t Assad have been overthrown, and Islamists installed as the Syrian government, without Russia’s intervention?

  16. @NoseytheDuke

    That’s the fairy tale. America was a Christian Nation for a very long time…and it’s the reason why homo filth marriage wasn’t legal and homos weren’t allowed in the Boy Scouts…..and Why Minnesota had no Somalian Muslims breeding on Minnesota soil.

    • Agree: AWM
    • Replies: @Rogue
    , @Carroll Price
    , @JC
  17. @RadicalCenter

    As a Russian, I do not fully understand the value of maintaining Assad regime in Syria. Could you explain it to me?

    Suppose Russia never intervened and Assad got overthrown and killed. That concerns Russia how?

  18. @Felix Keverich

    As I see it, Sebastapol is virtually useless without a Mediterranean base. An expanded Russian base in Syria is required to justify the damage from annexing Crimea. Ultimately there will probably be one in Morocco too, on the Atlantic.

    There might have been some thought about Qatari gas pipelines as well.

    Putin stated, probably correctly that he was concerned about Islamic fundamentalists based 24 drive away from Russia’s borders – ie Islamic North Caucasus. TInvolvement was probably not intended to get this deep.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  19. Alfa158 says:

    The great deterrent effect is that the US is risk averse to losses of men and their enormously expensive military hardware. I was in the Air Force during Vietnam and the SA-2 SAMs were less effective than had been believed before the war, their kill rate was only about 2% of launches. Nevertheless, the slow bleed of men and planes was a factor in wearing down the US will. In Syria even one $250M F-22 or F-35 being brought down in a war that none of our citizens think we should be involved in, will shock Americans and puncture the confidence in easy wins. As a result I would expect the US to stick with stand-off cruise missile attacks that will work as propaganda displays, but not affect the ability of Syria to win the civil war and preserve the integrity of their country.

  20. @Felix Keverich

    Optionality is a good thing; Putin is keeping a number of options, within the region as well as without, by keeping Assad in power and Latakia open. The prevention of competing pipelines to Europe limited is quite valuable to Russia.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    , @JLK
  21. @The Alarmist

    “Keeping a number of options” doesn’t sound to me like a compelling national-security interest, that can justify military intervention. Let’s face it, 3 years after Putin brought Russia into Syria, we still don’t fully understand why he did it, or what was going on inside Putin’s head at the time. We have a number of competing explanations, some of them more charitable to Russian leadership, than the others.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @tyrone
  22. JLK says:
    @The Alarmist

    A pipeline could run from the Gulf to Europe through Iraq without touching Syria. Or up through Iran into the Caucasus. The fact is though that there aren’t going to be any pipelines until the area is peaceful and free of insurgents.

    That’s going to take a long time.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  23. Realist says:
    @RadicalCenter

    But wouldn’t Assad have been overthrown, and Islamists installed as the Syrian government, without Russia’s intervention?

    Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean Russia is a deterrent to the US or Israel in Syria.

  24. Lot says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Russia couldn’t let one of its few remaining imperial proxies collapse.

    Of course there isn’t much reason to have imperial proxies. Russians should worry much more about their demographic decline than playing Cold War games in the Levant. America and Iran too.

  25. tomgreg says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I think partly Putin wants to demonstrate that, yes, there is a country willing to defy the USA. I also think that Putin and the Russian military want to test their new weapons and technology. And I agree with what the others who replied to you have said as well….

  26. Erebus says:
    @Realist

    In the past the US and Israel has called Putin’s bluff.

    That was, as you say in the past, but things have changed.

    After the IL20 incident, the publicly apparent split in the Kremlin resulted in the Russian military taking the Syrian theatre out of Putin’s hands. Doubtless, they let their Western counterparts know that the rules have changed and trying to call Shoigu/Gerasimov’s will have consequences.

    • Agree: FB
  27. anon[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Why is US so intent on removing Assad ?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Erebus
    , @Carroll Price
    , @Anon
  28. Erebus says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I agree with all the reasons given by others, but there were overarching national interest imperatives as well.

    Iran in particular, but also the entire M.E. is critical to the Russian-Chinese Eurasian integration project as well as to Russia’s strategic goal of becoming the grand arbiter of energy flows on the continent.

    Had Assad fallen to IS, both of the above would have suffered serious setbacks.

    • Agree: Iris, Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  29. Rogue says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Indeed, a book like Uncle Tom’s Cabin could only have had an enormous impact in what was obviously a Christiananized society circa 1850′s.

    I read it about 25 years ago, and it’s quite clear to me that no ways would it have had the impact it had back then in the post-Christian secular society that we have today.

    Harriet Beecher Stowe, the author, wrote in a style that was unmistakably relevant only to a Christian culture, whether the common folks were churchy or not.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  30. chris says:

    In the case of Syria, Israel would be much, much better off negotiating some kind of deal with the Russians, the Iranians and the Syrians (even an unofficial one!) than trying to prevail by blowing up targets in Syria.

    Yes of course, but even though that option was always available, that is exactly the one they never wanted. If they didn’t want the whole enchilada they would never have embarked on this plan to destroy and subjugate everything in their path, from their neighbors to the US, to the Russians.

    In the long run, they’re going to create BIG Israel no matter how many bodies it’s going to cost everyone else.

    • Agree: bluedog
  31. Art says:

    The Israeli Jews are fearful of losing a pilot to capture – they can use standoff air-to-ground and ground-to-ground missiles to probe and wear down the s-300 defenses.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. With no flights, the big question is, what are Hezbollah and Iran doing along the Golan and Jordan borders?

  32. anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Here’s my theory:
    Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, and Syrians were famed for their weapons making abilities
    Syria is the only one of those nations that hadn’t been destroyed by the United States.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  33. ” Judging by their past attacks against Syria, the US and the Israelis are far more concerned with the need to appear very powerful, effective and quasi-invulnerable than by actually achieving some meaningful military objective. Of course, this need to appear invulnerable also means that the AngloZionists really cannot afford to have one of their aircraft shot down, hence their current reluctance to test out the Syrian air defense capabilities. ”

    Empires are to a large extent bluff.
    Great Britain was deeply shocked when little yellow men sank the invincible battle ships Repulse and Prince of Wales, from planes, and overran the fortress Singapore through the back door jungle, coming on bicycles.
    Arthur Swinson, ‘De val van Singapore’, Antwerpen 1976 ( Defeat in Malaya, 1969)

    The long discussion here about Vietnam baffles me.
    Dien Bien Phu was supposed to be impregnable.
    Alas, the base was little more than a runway in a steep valley, after Vietnamese did the impossible, bringing heavy guns by hand on the other side of the mountains through thick jungle to positions in the rocks, hardly to be found, where they could fire downwards on the base, the godfather of the base committed suicide, and the French were beaten.
    The USA tried to continue French colonial rule.
    But, as the French, also in Algeria, the USA was driven out.
    French rule was far worse than for example British rule in Birma, read Orwell’s Burmese Days.
    Despite all their cruelties, something gentlemenly exists in the British, as some German soldiers in WWII also knew.
    They liked to surrender to British troops, and they were right.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  34. Vidi says:
    @Felix Keverich

    As a Russian, I do not fully understand the value of maintaining Assad regime in Syria.

    There are probably many excellent reasons for Russia to support Damascus. I don’t pretend to understand someone as intelligent as Putin; I won’t try to guess all of his reasons for intervening in the Middle East.

    However, I can see one reason. As a Russian, you should vividly remember the Chechen wars. Only a Russian liberal would be unable or unwilling to understand that a repetition of those conflicts would be horrible. A repetition would be likely if terrorist groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda (al Nusra, Hayat Tahrir al Sham, or whatever they are calling themselves this week) were dominant in Syria and therefore were free to infiltrate the Russian Federation.

    (By the way, the potential of such an infiltration to hurt Russia was undoubtedly why the U.S. and Israel are supporting terrorists in Syria. Israel has actually been giving medical care to injured Al Qaeda fighters.)

    As Putin says, it’s important to kill the terrorists in Syria, and he is doing that very successfully. He probably has other motivations, but anti-terrorism is a reason that (to me) completely justifies the small Russian presence in Syria.

    (The U.S. claims to be fighting ISIS, but somehow never manages to seriously damage them. The claim is a lie, of course, and the reality is totally the opposite.)

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    , @FB
  35. Herald says:
    @Anon

    Anyone who thinks Trump hasn’t been hastening the end of the Empire. has been asleep for the last two years. It would be nice to think that he was doing on purpose but that really is a bridge too far.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Carroll Price
  36. @JLK

    Natural gas pipelines are tricky: you end up locked in a long-term relationship with multiple transit countries, whose governments may not always behave rationally (just look at the Ukraine lol).

    Qatar already exports its gas in the form of LNG, and has no real need for a pipeline. Saudi Arabia doesn’t have gas. So it’s a safe bet that no pipelines will run through Syrian territory regardless of what happens to Assad.

  37. Miro23 says:

    … the Israelis are re-discovering again and again the truism: while simple, brute force violence does appear to be effective in the short term, in the mid to long-term it always fails unless backed by meaningful political measures. The big axiomatic truth which the Israelis still are stubbornly refusing to recognize is that all true security is always collective (something the Russians have been repeating for years now). In the case of Syria, Israel would be much, much better off negotiating some kind of deal with the Russians, the Iranians and the Syrians (even an unofficial one!) than trying to prevail by blowing up targets in Syria.

    The Israeli’s aren’t going to change. The key to world peace lies with the Anglos in breaking up the Anglo/Zionist alliance. Without the Anglos, the Zionists and Israel lose their power – so it’s rather bizarre and incomprehensible that the Zionists are making such an effort to trash the Anglo people and Anglo culture at all levels.

    If Anglo societies reject Jewish activism, then a large part of Jewish power has gone, and Israel is seriously at risk.

    I would even argue that with the Trump presidency now dramatically increasing the rate of collapse of the AngloZionist Empire the Israelis need to start making plans to involve other actors in their regional policy. The truth is that the US is not in a position anymore to remain a key player in Middle-Eastern politics and that decades of abject submission to the Likudnik agenda have irreparably damaged the US credibility and influence in the Middle-East (and the rest of the world).

    No doubt that the Likudnik agenda has seriously damaged US credibility (quite apart from the financial and cultural damage).

    IMO 9/11 was an attempted coup that failed (with the Zionists aiming for absolute power – a US replay of Russia October 1917 – this time through a National Emergency using existing COG Continuity of Government legislation) and we are experiencing the messy aftermath. The US remains a shaky Democracy with increasing awareness of Zionist subversion in the media and government, and the facts of WMD, 9/11, USS Liberty, ME wars etc. starting to become public knowledge ( in other words, Jewish power is weakening quite fast).

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Z-man
    , @S
  38. This is quite a climbdown! Suddenly, Putin’s hordes are no longer invincible! Essentially, the author is admitting that Putin is bogged down in a war he cannot win. That, of course, haas been obvious from day one but his supporters, particularly his American supporters, have been trying to hype the thing into a victory. Indeed, it has been claimed on multiple occasions that he has already won! Reality is starting to dawn.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ploni almoni
    , @Chase
  39. Miro23 says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Empires are to a large extent bluff.

    Or, at least in their later stages of decline.

    Great Britain was deeply shocked when little yellow men sank the invincible battle ships Repulse and Prince of Wales, from planes, and overran the fortress Singapore through the back door jungle, coming on bicycles.
    Arthur Swinson, ‘De val van Singapore’, Antwerpen 1976 ( Defeat in Malaya, 1969)

    True enough. It was inconceivable to the British that Singapore would fall to the Japanese.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  40. Whitewolf says:
    @Realist

    The Russians have done enough to keep Syria intact for the most part. There is only so much you can do against the US military if they are determined without going nuclear.

    The US has lost a lot of credibility over Syria. Assad is still running the place and the US had been shown to be using terrorists as proxy armies. The reaction of the US to Russia’s offer to help wipe out ISIS in Syria was funny. They had to pretend to agree yet somehow thwart them from destroying their proxies.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @Realist
  41. Erebus says:
    @anon

    Why is US so intent on removing Assad ?

    See #28. If one’s overriding goal is Global Hegemony, the “7 countries in 5 years” that Wesley Clark talked about is a geo-strategic imperative. Assad was in the same portfolio with Saddam, Gaddafi, and the Kims. Iran’s Ayatollahs are in that portfolio as well.

    It’s interesting to note that all of those countries shared an aversion to IMF controlled central banking. Libya & Iraq were disabused of that notion of course, but the others are hanging on under duress.

  42. Erebus says:
    @Miro23

    IMO 9/11 was an attempted coup that failed (with the Zionists aiming for absolute power – a US replay of Russia October 1917 – this time through a National Emergency using existing COG Continuity of Government legislation) and we are experiencing the messy aftermath.

    Agreed, with the addition of the Patriot Acts and DHS enabling acts, every piece of legislation required to legally turn the US into a totalitarian state is in place and lying in wait for the right moment. One wonders whether the stoking of current socio-political divides and tensions is intended to hasten the “right moment’s” arrival.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @joe
  43. Z-man says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    …then the biological mutant Rachel MADDOW is a soccer mom…

    I like that line!

  44. Z-man says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You are correct in that Russia saved Assad’s derriere. The situation especially with regard to refugees would have been a lot worse if the Russians weren’t there. They have deterred the Anglo Zionist beast to some extent and now because of the new weaponry will be able to reduce Zionist air actions. The Syrians could use the S 400 missile and some modern surface to surface missiles to threaten Israel itself.

  45. Z-man says:
    @Miro23

    It’s curious isn’t it? Jews hate Christianity and Europeans but need it to survive in the brave new world. A pox on them.

  46. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Bogged down ? Yes bogged down the same way US is bogged down in Germany with thousands of troops.

  47. @Erebus

    Yet, you and I both know that Israel will eventually launch an attack, if for no other reason than to test the response and effectiveness of the system.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  48. @War for Blair Mountain

    I have long argued that if Christians actually practiced Christianity, they would find themselves more often in agreement with Muslims, rather than disagreement.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Chase
  49. Zionist Israel and the Zionist dual citizens who are in control of the U.S. are hell bent to start a war with Russia which these demented satan worshiping warmongers feel they can survive in their DUMBS aka deep underground military bases which they have throughout the U.S. and Israel and which are connected by underground tunnels, and these satan worshipers have no thought for what they will find on top when the nuclear exchange ends.

    The fact that the Zionists did 911 which killed some 3000 Americans shows the diabolical demented depravity that constitutes their thinking and they did 911 to get the excuse to throw America into 17 years and counting of a Mideast slaughter house that has no end in sight and is all for the Zionist NWO and as a sacrifice to their god satan.

    God bless Putin and Russia for defending Syria against the diabolical demented zionist Israelis, for without Russia Syria would cease to exist.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  50. @anon

    To advance the prophesies of Greater Israel.

  51. @Erebus

    This doesn’t make much sense to me. How does allying itself with an isolated Middle Eastern regime (which doesn’t even have much oil!) turns Russia into “grand arbiter of energy flows”?

    And if survival of Assad is so important to the Chinese, the why is Russia doing all the work? We would certainly appreciate, if the Chinese took up at least some of the financial burden of supporting Syrian regime. All these T90-s, Pantsyrs and S300 supplied to Syria do not grow on trees, you know.

    • Replies: @JL
    , @Erebus
  52. Z-man says:
    @Herald

    Yes, I agree with your statement but there’s something about this man that makes me think he wants to stick it to big Joo. (Wry grin)

  53. Z-man says:
    @DESERT FOX

    I love this guy Desert Fox! (Grin)

  54. JL says:
    @Felix Keverich

    This article, while not without faults and inconsistencies, I think comes pretty close to what the Kremlins have in mind. It also, at least partially, potentially explains their timidity in the Ukraine relative to Syria. It seems to me that Putin has, from the very beginning of his presidency, viewed the world almost exclusively through the prism of energy geopolitics. Whether that’s the correct way to view the world, or not, from Russia’s perspective is of course up for debate. But it seems to me that if they are operating within this paradigm, they are doing so rather shrewdly.

    https://www.thecairoreview.com/essays/russias-new-energy-gamble/

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  55. Missiles and defenses are all very well, but it might be better if they are never used. Hard power is necessary to backstop soft power, but don’t forget about soft power.

    Maybe Russia should send a Christmas card to America. A Christmas Special for a nation fallen into darkness. The ballet, Russian orchestra, Tchaikovsky and choirs singing hallelujah. Get some Russian oligarchs to pay for it.

    Have a Very Merry Russian Christmas.

  56. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus

    @Miro23

    IMO 9/11 was an attempted coup that failed (with the Zionists aiming for absolute power – a US replay of Russia October 1917 – this time through a National Emergency using existing COG Continuity of Government legislation) and we are experiencing the messy aftermath.

    Agreed, with the addition of the Patriot Acts and DHS enabling acts, every piece of legislation required to legally turn the US into a totalitarian state is in place and lying in wait for the right moment. One wonders whether the stoking of current socio-political divides and tensions is intended to hasten the “right moment’s” arrival.

    And get this:

    The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

    Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:

    [T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/#16bcc5ae624b

    • Replies: @S
  57. @Vidi

    As a Russian, you should vividly remember the Chechen wars. Only a Russian liberal would be unable or unwilling to understand that a repetition of those conflicts would be horrible. A repetition would be likely if terrorist groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda (al Nusra, Hayat Tahrir al Sham, or whatever they are calling themselves this week) were dominant in Syria and therefore were free to infiltrate the Russian Federation.

    Chechen wars weren’t caused by foreign infiltration, however. They were caused by Chechen nationalism, and made possible by weakness and general disfunction of the Russian state during 1990s. Russia, through its own stupidity and conflicting messages, led Chechen people to believe that secession is possible for them. Russian state, through its own corruption and incompetence, left them warehouses of arms, which they would use to wage war on Russians.

    I’d like to think that new Chechen war cannot happen right now, because Russia is no longer such a basketcase…

    But if the goal is stopping terrorist infiltration, you do this by implementing border controls. The notion, that we must go to some far away Middle Eastern country, and bomb terrorsts over there, or else they will come to attack us over here, it sounds a lot like the argument US neocons were making to sell their War on Terror. It wasn’t true then, and it isn’t true now.

  58. S says:
    @Miro23

    Great points.

    Since the latter half of the 18th century (ie the conclusion of the French and Indian War and just prior to the 1776 Revolution) when already the British Empire was approaching something like global hegemony, multiple opportunities have been missed within the Anglo-sphere to put a halt to the madness of the present catastrophically destructive trajectory.

    In addition to first and foremost a great deal of soul searching, one of those things to have been done, but wasn’t (and hasn’t been at present) would have been to put to an end the long term, ultimately destructive to both, dysfunctional relationship which has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples by the amicable if at all possible separation of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples.

    And I’d like to think I’d say exactly the same as above (including the last part) if I was Jewish.

  59. @Felix Keverich

    Lavrov explicitly promised the Saudis a pipeline through Syria in his 2015 charm offensive. maybe it would be someone else’s gas but the Saudis still produce gas as a by product in their smaller newer fields.

    Qatar has LNG but pipelines are cheaper for large bulk which is what the Qataris have to sell. The tankers can still go to Japan.

  60. @NoseytheDuke

    That would make Israel and China a Christian nation, wouldn’t it?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  61. @Michael Kenny

    Putin is bogged down in a war he cannot win. So is the US. Michael Kenny is an acute observer.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  62. JC says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    you know Minnesota has both Somalis and Hmongs from opposite sides of the world…you know why…because of constant US gov interference in others countries.. the constant US warmongering ever since the end of WWll has brought in mass loads of others…the US starts all these military aggression and then hauls home a bunch of immigrants.. same with Korea…what has the US done in the ME attacked others and this time Euro got the consequences…

    • Replies: @anonymous
  63. Avery says:
    @Carroll Price

    {I have long argued……}

    Not very convincing argument.

    I don’t know what you consider ‘actually practicing’ Christianity, but notwithstanding today’s Christians-in-name-only (mostly) in the West, Christians were surely devoted practitioners since the birth of Christ, and yet Muslim invading hordes emanating from the Arabian peninsula ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, exterminated Christians from its birthplace in the Middle East. There were no Muslims in Middle East: now there are hardly any Christians left there.

    I am sure you know the situation of Christians in countries where fundamentalist Islam takes power, e.g. the plight of indigenous Christians of Egypt, the Copts, during the short reign of the Muslim brotherhood there.

    Where do you see any commonality between Islam and Christianity?

    Note: I don’t know and I don’t care what the holy books of each say. I judge by what is actually practiced by its adherence at large.

    btw: I also have no illusion that there is such a thing as, quote “Judeo-Christian”. No such thing. I don’t see _any_ commonality between Jewish and Christian religious practices. In fact I see far more of same between Islam and Jewish religion.

    • Replies: @Iris
  64. @JL

    Sorry, but I don’t have time or energy to read this long-ass text. Could you summarise its main ideas in your own words?

    Russia as an “energy superpower” is definitely an important theme in Kremlin’s domestic messaging, yet it’s still not clear how Assad figures into this: it’s not like Russia needs Assad to sell its oil.

    Syria is under crippling economic sanctions, effectively cut-off from international trade, is not a transit route, and has little energy reserves of its own, so what’s the upside of getting involved in Syria and how is this shrewd?

    • Replies: @JL
    , @Carroll Price
  65. Chase says:
    @anon

    Pretty hilariously ironic that the traits that have served them so wel subverting other Nation’s might just end in the destruction of their own nation. Fitting.

  66. Chase says:
    @Realist

    The point is that a chess piece – even one that never moves through the whole game – is never useless. The original point is taken, it was just an overstatement.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Realist
  67. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    The good news from my perspective is that:

    A) The secular (whiter) Arabs in Syria, Assad’s Syria back by the Russians have won the civil war in Syria against Islamists throat cutters backed by Israel and John McCain – who is now dead.

    B) Russia won the second war in Chetnia and has crushed mountain Islamist Jihadists like those that fought Russians in Afghanistan, again the STUPID American Conservatives (Reagan) back the Mountain Muslim Jihadists that morphed in to the Taliban.

    Russian polices in both Syria and Chetnia was/is to back a pro Russian strong man. In Chetnia the strong man is nominally Islamic, but he looks 98% like White Slavic Russian.

    Why can’t we do something similar in Norther Mexico? Back a strong man tough guy pro White American?

    J Ryan
    Left Behind in Chicago

  68. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @JC

    JC says:

    “you know Minnesota has both Somalis and Hmongs from opposite sides of the world…you know why…because of constant US gov interference in others countries.”

    I respond:

    Oh shut up.

    Sweden has worse problems with Somalians, unassimilated Asiatics, Kurds and Turds – setting cars on fire, highest rape rate outside of Black Africa and Sweden has never intervened in Islamic, Black African countries except to give PC Lib aid.

    Yours is the mindset that anything bad, terrible done to White Western people in formerly White Western countries, communities is the fault of the Whites getting raped, terrorized. It’s not.

    I’m sorry, I have a beautiful 25 year old blued daughter – she doesn’t deserve to be raped, sexually harassed, beaten, robbed or just harangued for supposed sins of colonialism.

    Oh do please shut up.

  69. Chase says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Locked in a stalemate can have strategic advantages over being locked out.

  70. Chase says:
    @Carroll Price

    But we know what it looks like when Americans participate Christianity and we know it doesn’t look like Islam. I understand what you’re trying to say here, but the main difference is Christianity is practiced by Christians, mostly – but not solely! – practiced by Europeans. Islam is mostly practiced by Semetics. Any theological similarities in source text will be filtered through generations of interpretations as to how each tenet functions in the real word.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  71. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Felix Keverich says:

    “But if the goal is stopping terrorist infiltration, you do this by implementing border controls. The notion, that we must go to some far away Middle Eastern country, and bomb terrorsts over there, or else they will come to attack us over here, it sounds a lot like the argument US neocons were making to sell their War on Terror. It wasn’t true then, and it isn’t true now.”

    I respond:

    Yes, this is true – but you are trying to use reason to explain why the Neo Conservative policy on Islamic terror in the USA doesn’t work.

    The (Jewish) Neo Conservatives are not being honest and reasonable finding the best ways to limit, eliminate Islamic terror/slaughter here in the USA or in Europe, UK, Australia – the West.

    No instead they are pursuing foreign policies and immigration policies designed to

    Bring anarchy and chaos to in Arab and Persian countries neighboring Israel
    Bring anarchy and racial chaos to the United States by mass 3rd world immigration

    The Jewish Neo Conservative policy has 3 major components:

    1) Invade the world for Israel
    2) Invite the world to USA/the West – end White European majority rule
    3) In hoc to the world, endless borrowing from the Fed Reserve Central bank to pay for 1&2

    That’s the policy of chaos and destruction for every nation except the Jewish ethno state of Israel.

  72. TG says:

    Kudos that this author seems to have finally realized that Russian weapons are not invincible, and that US weapons and jamming etc. can be formidable.

    And agreed, in many ways it doesn’t matter if the US can make effective attacks against such defensive weapons. Carefully picking targets, using the most expensive low-observable terrain-following missiles, using saturation… surely. The point is, that these kind of attacks are very very expensive, and not even the US can afford too many of them. Dropping dumb and semi-dumb bombs from manned aircraft is fairly cheap (by modern military standards) but the Russian air defenses may have taken that option off the table.

    Could the S300′s be good enough that, by allowing only very expensive massed strikes, they have taken away the American strategy of remotely blowing up a country’s infrastructure and sending it back to the stone age? This might indeed be a global game changer…

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  73. Vidi says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Chechen wars weren’t caused by foreign infiltration

    But foreign infiltration can cause unrest.

    But if the goal is stopping terrorist infiltration, you do this by implementing border controls.

    Can you look at someone and tell if he is going to blow up an apartment building? Can you afford to do a deep background check on everyone who enters your country, including millions of tourists? Of course not. It is better all around to simply kill the terrorists before they spread like cancers, and that is what Putin’s doing in Syria.

  74. Iris says:
    @Avery

    Carroll Price is correct.

    A fundamental ideological shared value between Christian Catholics and Muslims is their common, unambiguous rejection of Usury.

    Usury is the Nr1 means by which the Talmudic Tribe controls world affairs: nothing else matters more than the Cabal’s domination over the global financial industry and nothing will ever change until this domination is brought down.

  75. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Syria hosts Hezbollah and acts as it’s supply line to Lebanon, this puts it it a defacto state of war with Israel and on the Iranian side of the regional axis. It also can provide alternative petroleum supplies that compete with the Saudis. Think: Saudi-Israeli-US, versus Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah.
    I don’t think the Russians are in bed with the other side of the axis the same way the US is but they have an interest in restraining US hegemony and applying a cost to back door “secret” alliances which, as WWI taught, can get out of hand.

    • Replies: @anon
  76. Israel overplayed her cards and lost it. Syria is not going to be partitioned and weakened. Star of David’s Kurdistan is not going to happen. Iran and Hezbollah are not going anywhere. Mohammad bone Saw is on his way out as is Jared and as is the arsonist ORANGEguTANG with live grenades in hands. Israel can return the Golan Heights to Syria or engage in a land war because IAF is not going into Syria anymore ( at least unscathed) and/or Israel Air Trafic Control is superseded by mobile Syrian S300 AD/A2.

  77. @Chase

    Beautiful!
    Usually they are rooks.
    They are protecting the pawn that will morph into queen.

  78. Avery says:
    @Felix Keverich

    You are partly right in that Chechen war was home-grown and in part nationalist, but you deliberately do not mention the radical Islamist component. And you also do not mention that Chechen wars were massively supported by KSA (financially), Turkey*, US/CIA, Brits/MI6 (logistics, intelligence). Republic of Georgia’s Pankisi gorge was used by Chechen fighters as a base to recuperate, re-equip, get medical help, etc: Russia could not bomb the Chechen terrorist bases there for obvious reasons. The foreign anti-Russian involvement in both Chechen wars was massive. In fact, Putin made a couple of oblique references to the fact that they know who directed and financed the Shamil Basayev’s Beslan massacre of schoolchildren.

    As to the larger picture:
    After the 1st Chechen war, which drunkard Yeltsin and his incompetent, corrupt generals botched, Chechens got de-facto independence. But then the Islamists who were running the show declared a Caucasus Emirate and invaded their neighboring Caucasus republics (in RF), with the goal of creating a pan-Caucasus Islamist Emirate. That’s when Moscow/Putin decided to put an end to it.

    Putin was smart enough to turn middle-of-the-road Chechens against the Islamists, and together with professional Russian troops** achieved success.
    Moscow spent $billions rebuilding Grozny.
    Fully financed one of the largest mosques in RF in Grozny.
    Today Chechens themselves run Chechnya with very little interference from Moscow.
    As long as no Islamists are allowed to take root, Kremlin will be hands-off.

    _____
    * After the 2nd war which radical Islamists lost, with considerable help from non-Islamist but Muslim Chechens themselves, many of the Islamist/terrorist Chechen leaders who were not killed during the war, fled and took shelter in Turkey. Years later FSB sent teams to track and assassinate many of them inside Turkey.

    ** During the 1st war 18 y.o. raw recruits from Russian steppes were sent to fight experienced Chechen mountain warriors of 25-30 y.o. or so. It was a meat grinder of Russian youth.

    • Agree: chris
  79. JLK says:

    The S-300s are probably not the major point of Russian leverage holding the US and Israel back at this moment.

  80. @Felix Keverich

    Russian presence in Syria and the continuation of the Assad government blocks the development of the KSA/UAE gas pipeline to Europe which protects the strategic significance of the Russian Nordstream2 gas supplies to Germany and other parts of Europe. IMHO

    • Replies: @JLK
  81. Dagandy says:
    @Anon

    Oh its trumpzilla , it appears that the roll back of the empire and destruction of the petrodollar is the goal .
    Its what any self described nationalist would consider a goal .

  82. JLK says:
    @CasualObservation

    Russian presence in Syria and the continuation of the Assad government blocks the development of the KSA/UAE gas pipeline to Europe which protects the strategic significance of the Russian Nordstream2 gas supplies to Germany and other parts of Europe. IMHO

    Look at a map before you convince yourself of this. There are lots of ways to pipe gas from the UAE or Qatar that don’t involve Syria.

  83. @ploni almoni

    I’d say the hot part of the war is pretty much over, and although not a knockout, Syria/Russia/Iran won on points.

  84. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Yikes. The new allies of globo-homo Jews.

    • Agree: Agent76
  85. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “Syria hosts Hezbollah and acts as it’s supply line to Lebanon, this puts it it a defacto state of war with Israel and on the Iranian side of the regional axis”

    EU hosts Checheny leaders . Is Russia at war with EU?

    America supplies arms to Israel that are used against Lebanon, Syria,Gaza. Are those countries at war or will one day beat war against US on the basis of the supplies?

    In case of Lebanon, the country (Lebanon ) was kept occupied for 20+ yrs and Israel still occupies it It violates the skylines . Lebanon can ask for help from any country to protect itself .

    What is US doing ? Why is it supporting the invasive species by name Israelis? Why does Israel think that Syria is at fault for supplying to Lebanon?

    • Replies: @Anon
  86. Realist says:
    @Chase

    A bluff only works if the other side falls for it.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  87. Realist says:
    @Whitewolf

    There is only so much you can do against the US military if they are determined without going nuclear.

    Not true….you can shoot down any of their aircraft over Syrian territory. Other wise what is the purpose of the S-300???

  88. S says:
    @Miro23

    It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition…

    ..Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September..

    Sounds as though in possible preperation for a Red October 2.0/Russian Civil War like scenario in the United States the DHS may be going the way of something like the old Soviet Union’s MVD internal troops.

    One of their [MVD's] most important functions was that of preventing internal disorder that might threaten the regime’s political stability.

    The Internal Troops supported MVD missions by supplementing the militsiia in ensuring crowd control in large cities and, in emergencies, by helping to fight fires. These troops also guarded large-scale industrial enterprises, railroad stations, certain large stockpiles of food and material, and certain communication centers that were strategically significant. One of their most important functions was that of preventing internal disorder that might threaten the regime’s political stability. They took a direct role in suppressing anti-Soviet demonstrations in the non-Russian republics and strikes by Soviet workers.

    From a 2016 Wall Street Journal editorial. Should a Russian Civil War like/prolonged public disorder scenario play out it looks as though they’re preparing that an armed US gov bureaucracy will at least try to keep functioning while simultaneously no doubt attempting to disarm the general public.

    In other words, you’ll likely still get your mail (at least sporadically) and the postal delivery man or woman that delivers it to you will be wearing a side arm as they do.

    ‘The number of non-Defense Department federal officers authorized to make arrests and carry firearms (200,000) now exceeds the number of U.S. Marines (182,000)…Who are they preparing to battle?’

    Special agents at the IRS equipped with AR-15 military-style rifles? Health and Human Services “Special Office of Inspector General Agents” being trained by the Army’s Special Forces contractors? The Department of Veterans Affairs arming 3,700 employees?

    The number of non-Defense Department federal officers authorized to make arrests and carry firearms (200,000) now exceeds the number of U.S. Marines (182,000). In its escalating arms and ammo stockpiling, this federal arms race is unlike anything in history. Over the last 20 years, the number of these federal officers with arrest-and-firearm authority has nearly tripled to over 200,000 today, from 74,500 in 1996…

    …Who are they preparing to battle?

    https://fas.org/irp/world/russia/mvd/su0537.htm

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-does-the-irs-need-guns-1466117176

    • Replies: @Miro23
  89. Erebus says:
    @Felix Keverich

    How does allying itself with an isolated Middle Eastern regime (which doesn’t even have much oil!) turns Russia into “grand arbiter of energy flows”?

    By itself, it would indeed fall short of the mark. But saving Syria has served to embed Russia in the M.E. and to make allies with the other 2 major powers in the region – namely HZB & Iran.

    For a whole host of reasons, the US’ role in the M.E. can be expected to diminish, while Russia’s presence can be expected to grow, and I expect it to eventually morph into de facto guarantor of regional security. If all that comes to pass, “grand arbiter of energy flows” comes with the territory.

    Putin’s geo-strategic goal has long been to leverage Russia’s enormous resource base into a return to great power status. Since Mackinder came out with his heartland theory a century ago, The Geographical Pivot of History has been refined by the world’s having developed an insatiable thirst for energy. His pivot can now be redefined as lying somewhere in the Strategic Energy Ellipse:

    As far and away the most powerful party to the recent Caspian Sea agreement, Russia’s now well on its way to gaining a great deal of influence over the M.E. as well. When/if that influence consolidates, it will indeed make Russia the “grand arbiter of energy flows” across all of Eurasia, and much else besides. The S.E.E. encompasses ~70% of the world’s oil & gas resources, so Syria is an important foot in the door towards bringing the critical M.E. node under the Kremlin’s influence. Russia’s now planted there for the long haul of sorting the various interests out. That’s why the GCC countries have been wearing out the Kremlin’s carpets.

    … why is Russia doing all the work

    While the Russians did all the heavy lifting militarily, the Chinese were in the background. The simple fact is that Syria is a lot further from China, and the Chinese have little force projection capability. They would be totally dependent on the Russians to protect their personnel. Russia can launch Kalibers from the Caspian, China can’t.

    Even so, they’ve had SFs there advising and training Syrian intelligence, and have been actively infiltrating ISIS’ Uyghur contingents since before the Russians went live in Sept 2015. As far back as 2012 & 2013. They sent their elite Night Tigers SF there more than a year ago. The Chinese govt euphemizes their activities as “counterterrorism”, so as to get around their non-intervention policy.
    At least some of the T90-s, Pantsyrs and S300s were paid for by Syria from funds borrowed from the Chinese, and Chinese construction co’s are already there planning the re-building.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  90. Agent76 says:

    Jun 8, 2018 Putin hints at end of dollar system – Direct Line 2018

    Vladimir Putin has held his 16th Direct Line Q&A on June 7th.

    Oct 3, 2018 S-300 launchers, interceptors & radars unloaded

    Russian Defence Ministry video shows ‘Russian servicemen rapidly unload an S-300 launcher, radar and control vehicles, as well as the mounting of surface-to-air interceptor missile tubes onto a hauling unit.’

  91. Zogby says:

    This analysis ignores escalation scenarios because it focuses only on Syrian air space and forgets the constraints of Israeli airspace. Those S-300s, even from where they are believed to be deployed today cover roughly 40 percent of actively used Israeli airspace and allow Syria to enforce a no-fly zone there by preemptively shooting at any aircraft taking off or entering it. If Israel does not bomb Syria, the Syrians will not shoot so as not to cause an escalation that the Russians prefer not happen. If Israel starts bombing again, the Syrians get the legitimation they need to start preemptively attacking Israeli aircraft while still well inside Israeli airspace.

  92. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Israel is at war with Hezbollah and Hezbollah at war with Israel. For the moment its a cold war. Both parties know they are at war. This is a fact in the real world.
    Syria enables Hezbollah. It’s on Hezbollah’s side. It knows this and it understands that it puts it in a state of cold war with Israel.
    If Mexico supplied an armed resistance to the US, the US would run incursions into Mexican airspace from time to time. Mexico may or may not fire anti-aircraft munitions … if it was smart it would fire to hit when US forces appear poised to strike Mexican targets, it would fire to miss when they appear poised to strike resistance targets.
    Everyone would know what’s going on. Everyone here knows what’s going on. Lebanon and Syria know what’s going on.
    Nothing in my post justified the US choice of alliance, it simply explained it and answered the other anon’s [407's] perfectly reasonable question.

    IMHO, a better policy for the US would be to enable Syria to profit without Iranian support, but my guess is that if our leaders have such inclinations, behind the scenes, the Saudis do everything in their power to temper them. The US is influenced by both parties: Israelis and Saudis. The Saudis and Israelis are privately in bed, whatever they are publicly. Iran needn’t be in axis opposed to the US, but it is governed by a regime and suffers the same limitations as all regimes everywhere in all places and times and it calculates that a distance war with Israel serves its survival interests.

  93. Agent76 says:

    I have seen those lightning bolt’s before here at the U.N.. Go figure and this says allot about what most already hnow.

    Jul 29, 2015 New NATO HQ Virtual Tour

    This virtual tour provides an inside and outside look at NATO’s iconic new building in Brussels.

    1-minute analysis of NATO’s logo; perhaps reading too much into the symbolism, and worth considering given ongoing lie-started Wars of Aggression.

  94. Miro23 says:
    @S

    …Who are they preparing to battle?

    With their 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition + military grade equipment, Homeland Security are being readied to provide “Homeland Security” for the planned US elite Emergency Dictatorship. We’re just waiting for the Emergency “event” to arrive to get the deployment.

    The target, of course, are the same people that the Zio/Glob and their MSM/ PC police are already targeting – mostly ethnic Anglo Americans (aka Trump supporters) – although this time they’ll redefine them as “domestic terrorists” apart from the usual epithets.

    The Social Justice Warriors will be cheering as the Deplorables are rounded up, the same way that the Bolsheviks celebrated the removal of the ethnic Russian middle class (redefined as kulaks, and counter-progressives) and the shooting of the Russian Royal family.

    Homeland Security forces are well looked after, and they are designed to play the same totalitarian role as the Bolshevik NKVD or Hitler’s Schutzstaffel (protection squadrons aka SS). They’ve even got the same black uniforms and coalscuttle helmets – not much imagination there.

    American worry about the government coming for their guns – well, that’s exactly what will happen. The first thing that the Bolsheviks did on gaining power after their coup was to make gun ownership illegal.

    • Replies: @S
  95. JL says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Actually, the gist of the article is quite similar to what commenter Erebus wrote in post #89 (Thanks, Erebus, for saving me the time and effort). It’s true that Russia does not have any major interests in Syria, certainly none that would justify going to war for them alone. However, Russia does have interests in, inter alia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel, Qatar, and those countries have interests in Syria. For them to get anything done there, they have to go through Russia, which will use its now considerable leverage for its own interests.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  96. @anon

    “Syrians were famed for their weapons making abilities”

    Yes, but it’s a long time since a Damascus blade was an asset in combat. The barrel bomb isn’t state of the art.

    They used to (and probably still do) knock up some pretty good copy weapons in Peshawar, but the US aren’t bombing them.

  97. @Felix Keverich

    From the horses mouth?

    “You can’t understand the conflict without talking about natural gas
    By Maj. Rob Taylor
    Much of the media coverage suggests that the conflict in Syria is a civil war, in which the Alawite (Shia) Bashar al Assad regime is defending itself (and committing atrocities) against Sunni rebel factions (who are also committing atrocities). The real explanation is simpler: it is about money.
    In 2009, Qatar proposed to run a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey to Europe. Instead, Assad forged a pact with Iraq and Iran to run a pipeline eastward, allowing those Shia-dominated countries access to the European natural gas market while denying access to Sunni Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The latter states, it appears, are now attempting to remove Assad so they can control Syria and run their own pipeline through Turkey.”

    http://armedforcesjournal.com/pipeline-politics-in-syria/

  98. @Chase

    My remark was primarily concerned with outward appearances, specially with the public display of scantly females, hard core pornography leading to wholesale corruption of youth, with such displays widely practiced and accepted by a large majority of Christians. Also as to public appearance, it depends entirely on the individual religious sect, with members of the Old Order Amish not differing a whole lot from that of devout Muslims, which if I had to pick between the two, would choose more modestly dressed females every time. There’s a time and place for everything and what’s on open display today, simply has no place among decent, self-respecting people.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  99. FB says:
    @Vidi

    Excellent answer to what is the stupidest comment on the thread…

    It is exactly about TERRORISM…which…for anyone that has been paying attention…is a joint project between the US-UK deep state and the Wahhabi fanatics in Saudi Arabia…

    These terrorists are a 21′st century proxy army under the DIRECT CONTROL of the same unseen shot callers that are responsible for just about everything that is wrong with the world today…

    This terrorist army is to be deployed anyplace on the globe that needs to be destabilized and regime changed…significantly for Russia that includes the entire Russian underbelly of not just the Caucasus, but also the former Soviet republics in Central Asia…

    In short Syria is a domino that cannot be allowed to fall as far as Russia and China are concerned…[China is likewise vulnerable with its Muslim Xinjiang province...China's biggest province by land area...]

    Already the ‘war on terror’, which in fact is a global war USING TERROR PROXY ARMIES…has destabilized several important West Asian countries including Iraq, Syria and Yemen…plus a major north African country, Libya…and a good chunk of central Asia by way of Afghanistan…

    Here we see also countries like Pakistan and India are now aware of this dark fact that global terror is directed from Washington as a geopolitical tool that may be as potent as nuclear weapons…

    Burma [Myanmar] is the latest to be hit with the one two punch of Islamic terrorists, plus a Western media slash human rights’ NGO outcry about the alleged ‘abuses’ of poor Muslims…same cookie cutter as used in Bosnia, Kosovo, Lybia and Syria…[remember, the Syrian 'rebels' are moderate democrats simply seeking freedom]…

    Pretty much the whole world is onto this now…this has caused the rupture between Pakistan and the US…with the former turning now to Russia and China to work together against this menace…also in here are the former Soviet republics of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and others…all of them members in either the Shanghai Cooperation Organization or the Collective Security Treaty Organization…

    Russia and China lead both…and the BIG ISSUE IS ALWAYS TERRORISM…

    Nobody is fooled anymore…Russian intel has all kinds of info on just how the US-UK-KSA-Israel deep state are pulling the strings of this huge terrorist army…Turkey was part of this too, but is pulling back now because Erdogan figured out that his country was also in the crosshairs…nothing like finding out you’re on the lunch menu to make you decide to eat at another joint…

    So that is why Russia is in Syria…it is too bad that Russian Liberals are even more retarded than American ones…

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @anonymous
  100. tyrone says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Well now we see the alliance between Russia/Soviet union and the Assads /Syria was a lot deeper and stronger than one may have guessed , if only poor old Qaddafi hadn’t lost the plot.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  101. Thim says:
    @Felix Keverich

    If Syria fell to the Zionist proxies, they would have used that as a forward base to attack and destroy Iran. Now, who is next door to Iran?

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  102. @Herald

    It’s true that whether done purposely or not, Trump has in 2 years done more towards dismantling the Zio-empire than all other presidents combined. It could be that he’s smart enough know that the only way he can get away with it without being assassinated is appearing to be doing the opposite of what he actually has in mind, with one hint being that he has, on more than one occasion expressed his dislike of globalism.

  103. @Felix Keverich

    Unlike the US, Russia, Syria and entire Middle East share the same land mass. Consequently, on more than one occasion, Putin has stated that Russia’s involvement in Syria is primarily to eliminate ISIS and other terrorist groups where the exist today rather than allowing them to expand into Russia itself.

  104. @TG

    According to news reports, the latest barrage of cruise missiles fired into Syria, largely depleted US inventories. How the US would go about successfully engaging in a protracted war with Russia or anyone else is a mystery.

  105. Vidi says:
    @Carroll Price

    Yet, you and I both know that Israel will eventually launch an attack, if for no other reason than to test the response and effectiveness of the system.

    That could happen. There may be no way for Israel to back down from Lieberman’s loud threats to destroy Syria’s S-300s.

    However, the Israelis must be cautious. After losing to Hezbollah in 2006, the little country’s reputation of invincibility took an enormous hit. If they blow it again in Syria, their military reputation may never recover; their country may not survive the consequent loss of face.

    They’ll be risking a lot in attacking Syria. So now is not a good time for Netanyahu to be rash.

  106. @Miro23

    Karma. Britain did more than just about any other nation to increase Japan’s military power.

  107. nsa says:
    @Felix Keverich

    The eviction of Russia from Syria would allow the megalomaniacal jooies and their American satrap to redirect their Joohadi Terrorists up into the soft Muzzie underbelly of Russia……creating Chechnya like civil wars and endless problems throughout the various stans. Cause enough mayhem and eventually the vast resources of Eastern Russia might even be up for grabs…….

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  108. Vidi says:
    @Realist

    A bluff only works if the other side falls for it.

    What if the S-300s are not a bluff? A liar thinks that everyone else is lying, but is Putin lying?

  109. Erebus says:
    @JL

    You’re welcome.

    Hilary wasn’t completely wrong when she said that Putin was trying to “re-create the Soviet Union”. It’s a cartoonish statement meant for public consumption, but it’s pretty clear that Putin has, with China’s backing, moved to bring Eurasia’s resources under consolidated control. This, of course, is precisely what the Wolfowitz Doctrine warned against. Preventing the rise of any such rival has been the US’ primary geo-political objective since the early ’90s, and its abject failure to execute is the reason behind the US’ vilification of Russia and Putin.

    The cover blurb on Glenn Diesen’s Russia’s Geoeconomic Strategy for a Greater Eurasia reads as follows:

    Moscow has progressively replaced geopolitics with geoeconomics as power is recognised to derive from the state’s ability to establish a privileged position in strategic markets and transportation corridors. The objective is to bridge the vast Eurasian continent to reposition Russia from the periphery of Europe and Asia to the centre of a new constellation.

    The key to understanding what Russia is up to, IMHO, is to understand that Diesen’s new constellation will be centred in the Strategic Energy Ellipse. Taking Crimea back, the Caspian Sea agreement, the entry into the Syrian theatre are the tips of an iceberg of less dramatic moves towards the same objective. Along with the positive moves, there are the negative non-moves such as avoiding getting bogged down in the Ukraine and letting the US punch itself out in Afghanistan.

    This is a well considered, and well executed strategy. Russia can never be a great economic power like China, or even India could be if it ever got its act together. It simply lacks the population. However, by combining military power and clearly pragmatic diplomacy with its own resource base, it can punch far above its economic weight in generating world power. It took a great leap forward along that path when it crashed the West’s party in Syria.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  110. @Realist

    Not at all. Defensive systems are most use when they deter any need for their use.

    • Agree: Vidi
  111. @tyrone

    Russia has gained enormous prestige worldwide in Syria. They have been able to test many advanced weapons in combat and the combination has seen substantial increases of Russian weapons sales. Most nations are bystanders and satraps of the main players but there is a definitive struggle ongoing for the future of the world. We’re looking a global system obviously but the struggle is between a multipolar approach or a US/Zionist dominated one. Far from being pointless Syria has been a crucial battle field for Russia and their participation and indeed victory on this was essential for the future of Russia.

    Russia is the target of all the nonsense going on by USA and their allies in the Middle East. First Syria and then Iran need to be ‘pacified’ to make the final conquest of Russia feasible by the original plan which the NeoCons persist from behind the scenes in enacting. Russia is also helping a very long term ally. Syria has had Russia’s back in various ways for many decades, going back well into Soviet times and the Russian naval base there is a lynchpin of their security also. Really there’s no way Russia would but lose if Anglo-Zionist plans for Syria were permitted to proceed.

    I use the terms Anglo-Zionist and US Zionist interchangeably because the seat of economic power is really in the City of London and the far flung tentacles of Zionism however you parse it.

    • Agree: Carroll Price, bluedog
  112. Vidi says:
    @FB

    Informative as usual.

    To the terrorist infestations in Burma (Myanmar), Kosovo, Syria, etc. I would add the Philippines. Funny how the Muslim (Moro) insurgency there got truly serious only when Duterte pivoted away from the U.S. Empire.

    • Replies: @FB
  113. @Erebus

    Very well put. I also would add that whilst it is a distant vision at this point, there is evidently some real effort being put into rectifying the population density problem Russia has for as you say their real economic power suffers from a very small population for the enormous land mass it represents. Australia has a similar paradigm and for us the result has already been majority foreign ownership and exploitation of our resources. We will never be anything but a servant. A favoured house servant maybe but as far as raising our own enormously resource rich nation into any real position of political of economic powers goes, that horse already bolted.

    Russia on the other hand does have a lot of arable land and resources which still remain sovereign. I see some interesting developments in Russia from the way land is being given away up North and the many faceted things which are making Russia an increasingly attractive destination for migration. However not the wholesale open borders mass migration and chaos which is engulfing Western nations, it is targeted towards people who will actually commit to Russia and bring everything from money to ideas and just hope. The traditional emphasis on family, religion etc. All seems to be a deliberate attempt to build a thriving and robust society in a way opposite to what’s ongoing in the West. I am an Aussie who is fairly sure I will inevitably decide to emigrate. I am more than half convinced Russia will be my chosen destination.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Swan Knight
  114. JLK says:

    Australia has a similar paradigm and for us the result has already been majority foreign ownership and exploitation of our resources. We will never be anything but a servant.

    Australia is one of the Five Eyes countries, the inner circle of world power. You’re no more a “servant” than the state of Wyoming.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  115. FB says:
    @Vidi

    Yup…there’s probably some we have missed…but you get the idea…let’s call it the cockroach infestation strategy for imperialist conquest in the 21′st century…you have to give them points for originality…it’s actually a pretty effective idea…over a billion Muslims in all corners of the globe…KSA with its oil trillions spreading the Wahabbi extremism ideology [today's Nazism] by means of mosques and schools EVERYWHERE…including Europe of course…and then the CIA to run the logistics…drugs, guns and Jihadists moving efficiently through a global network…remember Air America during Vietnam…today’s terrorist ops are WAY bigger than that…

  116. peterAUS says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    …We will never be anything but a servant…..

    …many faceted things which are making Russia an increasingly attractive destination for migration. .

    ….The traditional emphasis on family, religion etc. All seems to be a deliberate attempt to build a thriving and robust society…

    I see.

    …I am an Aussie who is fairly sure I will inevitably decide to emigrate. I am more than half convinced Russia will be my chosen destination….

    Good….thinking and decision making. Lucky you.

  117. @Felix Keverich

    The Chechen wars were caused by and funded by the US, using jihadis as its proxies, and nobody else. Period.

  118. @JLK

    Something like 80% of Australia’s wealth is syphoned off and whisked away out of the country, usually without paying a token tax, if any at all. The nation has just emerged from a massive resource and energy “boom” yet is in deep debt, doesn’t that meet the very definition of servitude?

    Australia has only ever had token sovereignty, as the Whitlam dismissal showed.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-whitlam-dismissal-four-decades-on,12081

    The Five Eyes is simply a cooperative arrangement between the secret societies that are hidden within the intelligence services of those nations and more a part of a Rothschild project that the official policy of “democratic” Australia and the others.

    That said, I am thankful every single day that despite having a US green card I decided to return to live in the land of wonder down under.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  119. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    It can be reasonably argued that the mastermind of a crime shares a greater responsibility of the evil committed.

    Since western imperialists (including zionists) have long been these satanic masterminds, it is clear then that Albino Terror is the greatest threat to humanity.

    All of you can harp on about these “Islamic Terrorist” & other muslim puppets, trying your best to deflect from the innate evil of the supremacist western civilisation, but this only leads your kind to further soul-rot.

    The promised comeuppance will be proportional to the soul-rot.

    Burma [Myanmar] is the latest to be hit with the one two punch of Islamic terrorists, plus a Western media slash human rights’ NGO outcry about the alleged ‘abuses’ of poor Muslims

    Alleged ‘abuses’? That is what I mean… soul-rot.

  120. @james charles

    In 2009, Qatar proposed to run a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey to Europe. Instead, Assad forged a pact with Iraq and Iran to run a pipeline eastward, allowing those Shia-dominated countries access to the European natural gas market while denying access to Sunni Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    President Trump was able to block Iranian oil exports to Europe by presidential degree. There is absolutely no chance of Iran exporting energy to Europe until US allows it. So this Iranian pipeline was not going to happen. Also Saudi Arabia has no gas and Qatar already exports LNG.

    Let’s go back a little to what my original question was: why bother saving Assad? Suppose Russia never intervened and ISIS ruled Syria. It would take decades (and probably forever) before Qatar, KSA or whomever was able to complete a major pipeline project through its territory.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  121. @Thim

    If Syria fell to the Zionist proxies, they would have used that as a forward base to attack and destroy Iran. Now, who is next door to Iran?

    Pakistan? You realise that Russia is a harder target to crack, than the ramshackle Syrian state? A few goat-fuckers with kalashnikovs will not overrun us.

    If Assad fell, it would change basically nothing in terms of Russian security. The calculus may be different for Iran, but if so, it should be Iran’s, not Russia’s job, to hold Syria together and prop up Assad. It should be Iranians paying to every Pansyr and every T90 delivered to Syria. Right now, Russia is giving them for free, which in the opinion of this Russian, is pretty daft.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @FB
    , @anon
    , @Anonymous
  122. @nsa

    The eviction of Russia from Syria would allow the megalomaniacal jooies and their American satrap to redirect their Joohadi Terrorists up into the soft Muzzie underbelly of Russia……creating Chechnya like civil wars and endless problems throughout the various stans. Cause enough mayhem and eventually the vast resources of Eastern Russia might even be up for grabs…….

    Cause enough mayhem in Tadjikistan, and next thing you know, Russia will let go of Siberia – I don’t think so. lol

    This is basically a variation of Cold War domino theory, applied to present day Russia. It means that Russia has a special responsibility to stabilise entire Muslim world: to stop the terrorists from reaching its “underbelly”. It is a huge and unnecessary burden for Russia. It would be cheaper and easier to just implement visas with Central Asia, along with stringent border controls.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  123. @Erebus

    While the Russians did all the heavy lifting militarily, the Chinese were in the background.

    Chinese weren’t there at all. No military involvement, no aid from China. Nothing.

    They sent their elite Night Tigers SF there more than a year ago.

    It never happened! It’s classic #FakeNews. You should be careful when reading news on Facebook, and obscure websites, because they often make up stuff. There are websites saying that Putin issued arrest warrant against George Soros – also #FakeNews.

    In reality Chinese voted with Russia on a bunch of UNSC resolutions, and that’s all the support that Syria has gotten from China, and it was the smart thing to do. The simple fact is that Assad is a small fish, and his survival means little in the bigger picture.

    US role in the Middle East could well diminish in the future, which will open up room for Russia to become a regional security provider, but that future is still some time off. In the meantime Russia is taking casualties in Syria, throwing good money after bad, and even risking WW3 (if Saker is to be believed) for no compelling reason.

  124. @Felix Keverich

    How do you know what arrangements Russia and Iran have made as to compensation for material support? Do you have any info that it is all gratis?

  125. Russia is supplying the S 300 because it knows that by december Iran is ready with its sytem bavar 373 which is superior the S 300.
    The Iranians do not want to buy the S 400 becauae they have a system which they control its logarithms and can be developed further if not already done.
    Better for Russia to show good intention in the event Iran wants and to test its system in Syria!!!
    So its not all gloom from Putins side towards Syria especially after allowing all the raids done by the zionist entity durig the past years!!

  126. Swan Knight says: • Website

    I am a great admirer of you, Mr. Saker. I also live in Central Florida. If you ever visit Old Town in Kissimmee for the Saturday classic car show, mine is the green ’51 Chevy Styleline Sports Coupe. You say the Trump Presidency is dramatically increasing the collapse of the AngloZionist empire. Please explain. Is that a good or bad thing? Does the empire thrive longer under corrupt and incompetent “We came, he died; Putin is Hitler ” Hillary Clinton? Should the electorate have put in more comical Socialist and Cultural Marxist Democrats like Ortiz, Abrams, or Gillium? I have read much about the imminent collapse of the debt based US economy and economic class polarization. Yet Trump has augmented more economic gains in two-years than 16-years of W and Obama. Although Bolton, Pompeo, Haspel, and formerly Haley was on his staff, Trump has yet to start a new war and even contributed to peace in Korea .

  127. Swan Knight says: • Website
    @Rabbitnexus

    Giving South African Boer farmers agricultural land is a move beyond brilliant and near genius

  128. @NoseytheDuke

    Australia has only ever had token sovereignty, as the Whitlam dismissal showed

    That’s because having never declared itself and independent country, followed by fighting a war of independence to prove it, Australia is what it’s always been – a British colony.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  129. FB says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Will you shut the fuck up already…your ‘question’ is retarded…and has already been addressed several times…here…here…and here…and Erebus has given additional reasons…which your unfortunately shriveled brain cannot process…do everyone a favor and stop farting useless noise…

  130. @Felix Keverich

    Don’t be ridiculous.
    There would be a bloodbath of Shi_ ites by Sunni if Assad would be removed.

  131. CalDre says:
    @Realist

    That would hold even more true of an entire armed forces. But I would submit armed forces are most useful if by their strength they deter the need to resort to hostilities.

    • Replies: @Realist
  132. peterAUS says:
    @Carroll Price

    That’s because having never declared itself and independent country, followed by fighting a war of independence to prove it, Australia is what it’s always been – a British colony.

    Outstanding…..even in the usual Saker and related echo chamber.
    Waiting for the third. Probably even fourth. Till next week.

  133. S says:
    @Miro23

    The target, of course, are the same people that the Zio/Glob and their MSM/ PC police are already targeting – mostly ethnic Anglo Americans (aka Trump supporters) – although this time they’ll redefine them as “domestic terrorists” apart from the usual epithets.

    Sounds about right.

  134. joe says:
    @Erebus

    DHS is an Israeli corporation as is the “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INC” A ROTHSCHILD CORP

    • Replies: @Erebus
  135. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Looks like globo-capitalists will destroy Poland too.

  136. anon[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    A few goat-fuckers with kalashnikovs will not overrun us.”
    Quite old aged goat-fuckers have told uncle sam to butt off from Kabul otherwise those returning from Kabul with badly damaged testicles will cause a riot once they find out that lo al Latinos ,Blacks,and Pakistanis have been screwing their girl friends all along while they were masturbating in front of the flag holding the pole.

    Hey buddy,don’t sign up for military .

  137. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Keverich

    America plays dumb once its malefeasance is exposed . US has been shedding tears for Russia for last few years telling everybody that it makes no sense for Russia to get involved in Syria. This chant has started rhyming now with a lot of closeted pseudo neutral guys’s voices . The insects are slithering out of the shade and from under the rock. Russia has won the game . America should stop valorizing itself on the TV for the intellectually starved kids. Otherwise they might end up enrolling for Macnamara ‘s Moron .

  138. Realist says:
    @CalDre

    But I would submit armed forces are most useful if by their strength they deter the need to resort to hostilities.

    Armed forces to protect your border is different than protecting your people on foreign soil.

  139. @james charles

    “From the horses mouth?” Not even a dubious dribble from the horse’s mouth. Rather, primarily from the hind of the proverbial bull.

    Major Taylor writes that “… media coverage suggests that the conflict in Syria is a civil war ….”

    Actually, the war – not “conflict” waged upon Syria has been misleadingly and explicitly called – not “suggested”as – a “civil war” over and over and over again, by mass media.

    This false and frequently repeated designation of the attack on Syria as a civil war has been for one thing indispensable in enabling the grotesque meme that Assad is a heinous dictator attacking his own people. After all, if it is not a civil war, with the brave much abused people of Syria rising up against this monstrous ophthalmologist, it would be difficult to explain why he should be committing horrid war crimes ‘against his own people’.

    And as for “the real explanation” being that it’s “about money”, well, there’s almost always an element of truth to that no matter what the issue, but as far as being “the real explanation” for the war upon Syria, well, again, that’s just misleading and superficial bs. Any “real explanation” would involve numerous considerations.

    And for Major Taylor to simplify the war upon Syria as being all about Qatar and Saudi Arabia wanting to “run their own pipeline through Turkey”, well, that again is obviously superficial crap.

    Horses are simply not capable of telling such lies and concocting such propaganda and nonsense that Major Taylor has blithely spewed.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  140. @Felix Keverich

    “As a Russian, I do not fully understand the value of maintaining Assad regime in Syria. Could you explain it to me?”

    Where did you get the idea that there is “value” (to Russia) in maintaining the “Assad regime” in power in Syria, per se?

    (BTW your use of the phrase “Assad regime” suggests that you are not an ethnic Russian).

    “Suppose Russia never intervened and Assad got overthrown and killed. That concerns Russia how?”

    Seriously? Maybe an analogy will help?

    Say you live on a quiet little street in a quiet little town, and one day a criminal gang invades the neighborhood, demanding that families hand over money and any attractive female family members, “or else.” Then suppose some families refuse to comply and are attacked and murdered.

    You go to the police and ask for help but the criminal gang bought off the cops and they sit there and do nothing while the gang methodically works its way through the neighborhood murdering anyone who resists.

    So you and a few other neighbors decide to form a vigilante force to resist the murderous gang. Why would you do that when the gang hasn’t attacked you and your family?

  141. @Felix Keverich

    There are many versions of Islam, some extremely dangerous and deadly and others far more benign. Russia has a keen interest in nurturing benign Islam as opposed to the other kind that has been used by the British for more than two centuries to further Britain’s imperial drive with the mujahideen in Afghanistan under the Soviet occupation scoring a bull’s eye for the Anglo-Zio empire. Russia has a an almost 25% Moslem population that should be kept from the influence of radical Islam. That in itself should give Russia a good reason to keep the last secular regime in the Middle East alive. Add other geopolitical factors, such as oil distribution and the One Belt One Road initiative, a stable Syria free of radicalism will be a long term asset for the Russian Chinese alliance. As the saying goes in the Middle East: a thousand enemies on the outside is better than one enemy inside.

  142. Erebus says:
    @joe

    Really? Rothschild you say? Well, that settles it then.

  143. MacNucc11 says:
    @Philip Owen

    Syria is absolutely critical to Russia. Russia can never concede to have Syria overrun by the U.S. Putin realizes that the forces who look to overthrow Syria have designs on Russia and the globe as well. Putin knows he must fight this war now so that he does not need to fight other wars later. He holds all the cards and all he needs to do is play the game and he wins. He only needs to feint and dodge until his opponent collapses on its own. He is likely following the teachings of Tsun Tsu.
    His victory will not come with much fanfare but rather with an announcement of some agreement of some sort or other that most will take is inconsequential but will in effect be the total surrender of his enemies. Every day there is a news item that heralds his eventual slow motion victory. A trade deal with India here, exporting grain abroad, closer ties with China, moving into Africa, weapons deals with Turkey, the Euro zone breaking ranks and defying the empire. These are serious body blows to his opponents. The msm have been felled already. Social media is next and is committing suicide in desperation. The information outlets of his opponents are being routinely, methodically destroyed. He is consolidating power at home and making friends abroad while his enemies are fracturing at home and making more enemies abroad. His enemies are bullies and cowards. When the biggest bully is made to stand down the rest scatter because they now doubt the protection promised by the biggest bully. His opponent is staggered and ready to fall, movements very predictable. Flailing wildly with two eyes closed. Putin’s victory is assured so long as he keeps his distance his opponent collapses or loses by decision. It doesn’t really matter.

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Joe Levantine
  144. @Robert Snefjella

    I could not possibly have stated that better. Nothing cuts through BS as surely as the truth.

  145. JLK says:
    @MacNucc11

    Putin still has the weaker hand by far.

    A presence in Syria gives Russia influence over Israel. Any influence over Israel in turn influences the US Congress. A security threat that our people should be watching carefully.

    • Replies: @anon
  146. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    Are they ( US congress) watching Saudi royals ? Why will they watch Putin ?
    Saudis are the weak here . On a food chain they occupy the bottom rung .

    Saudis come to ISRAEL to become known as a moderate face by institutionalized propaganda mounted by Neocon.
    Saudis learn that allowing women to drive will expiate their other crimes on humanity,women,and immigrants . Because women driving is a big thing per NYT. That what is told to NYT by neocons. Stupidest American see the news and wonder at the Saudi -America relationship.

    Putin doesn’t need the approval of Israel . Israel needs his approval.
    Putin won’t try to get relief from sanction through Israel because his existence doesn’t depend on Israel . He knows that sanction relief from US is about his existence and existence of post – Yeltsin Russia.
    Saudi is already providing enough to US. It doesn’t need more thieves from US and Israel . It’s been subjected to Yeltsin type treatment few times already .

    • Replies: @JLK
  147. JLK says:
    @anon

    Here’s the way I see things.

    Syria was a client state of Russia. Syria before the civil war had a growing arsenal of chemical/bio weapons and missiles to use as a counter-threat to the Israeli nukes. This made both Russia and the US nervous. Why? Because if Assad covered Israel in a cloud of anthrax in response to one of the frequent Israeli bombing raids and assassinations, the Israelis could well blame Russia as Syria’s enabler and nuke Moscow before they all died. Russia might then nuke New York because it is obvious who enabled Israel to have a nuclear arsenal in the first place. This was probably gamed in the Kremlin and at the Pentagon and judged a genuine threat. It is even possible that the US and Russia scripted a joint intervention.

    Russia gave Israel most of what it wanted around 2014 by getting Syria to give up most of the chemical weapons. But now the Iranians are setting up missiles in Syria, and modernizing Hezbollah missiles in Lebanon to make them more accurate. Hezbollah probably would not use them unless attacked, but Israel isn’t willing to accept any type of latent threat.

    Israel probably wants to launch a major offensive against Hezbollah sooner rather than later. It is a critical time for them. They want to capture the missiles before they are modernized. They want to act while Trump is still in office. They want to do something about their demographic problem before the number of Arabs under their control exceeds the number of Jews.

    Israel could probably take out the S-300s in Syria with minimal losses and invade Lebanon without Russia’s permission. Russia isn’t going to fight them. On the other hand, they don’t want to displease Russia for various reasons, so they want to get Russia’s permission.

    Russia could do a lot of damage to Israel and its supporters in the US in the political sense. It could dispossess Jewish oligarchs. It knows a lot of secrets kept by mutual assent during the Cold War that could undermine both Israel and America’s support in vassal countries like Germany and Japan.

    So it is a very volatile situation. Watch the video of Putin and Bolton in Moscow last week. Seems like it was a very frank interchange. A lot of uncomfortable body language there. Bolton maintained his composure, but the lady next to him was swallowing a lot as if shocked.

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  148. The only explanation is that it must be strabismus.

  149. @MacNucc11

    Agree, very well said. Thanks for this post.

  150. anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    1The latest clashes started after a botched intelligence mission by undercover Israeli commandos over the weekend. The covert operation ended in a firefight that left one Israeli soldier and seven Palestinian fighters dead. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-explainer.html

    That Israel covert operation was undertaken after agreeing to deals on the seal lane, on the border, on the aid delivery to Gaza . Why shall anyone (including Russia ) believe this entity?

    2 One wonders what is preventing Israel from eliminating Hizbollah it despite a weakening of Syria, Lebanon, and Iran .
    3 Israel could not fight Hamas well ,how on earth they would fight Hizbollah?
    4 Cheney was more tribal more beholden more rabid Israeli supporters and anti Muslim anti Arab anti Iran . That son of a bitch couldn’t persuade Israel to take more losses in 2006 . Trump will not intervene on behalf of Israel. Chen would have .
    5 There is a always a tomorrow for Israel . That tomorrow has never been less disastrous for that entity

  151. Lurker says:
    @Realist

    If the S-300 is never used but there are no further Israeli air attacks, how has the system been shown to be ineffective?

    • Replies: @Realist
  152. Realist says:
    @Lurker

    If the S-300 is never used but there are no further Israeli air attacks, how has the system been shown to be ineffective?

    I never said that. But lets wait and see if there are no more Israeli or American attacks.

    • Replies: @anon
  153. anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    https://russia-insider.com/en/netanyahu-fails-mend-russia-ties-paris/ri25372

    Israel is trying to impress the domestic audience that everything between it and Russia is normal . In the ground of Paris Putin doesn’t want to meet him lets alone discuss anything of substance .

    Russia held Israel responsible for Gaza attack . Netnayhu halted Gaza attack Netanyahu government is teetering because the bouncer doesn’t want to guard the entrance .
    wasn’t it the best time for Netnayhu to show who runs the show in ME?

  154. Realist says:

    Russia held Israel responsible for Gaza attack .

    What the hell does that mean….hold someone or something responsible? That is an idle threat, it means nothing.

  155. wraith67 says:

    Neither the US nor Israel are particularly eager to test the effectiveness of the SA300s/400s so we’ll likely remain in a stalemate for a while. Should the SAMs be effective against an F35 or similar, this would put Putin/Assad in a significantly different position. US Forces rely heavily on CAS, and would not be nearly as effective without it.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  156. Dan73 says:

    The simple fact is that Assad is a small fish, and his survival means little in the bigger picture.

    The big picture shows that there is an ongoing war for ressources and that the final target of the USA are the very ressources available on the Russian territory. Already several States fell because Russia was in no way able militarily to oppose the destruction of these States beginning with Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, then Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria. If Syria falls, then it will be the turn of Iran, and then the Central Asian States. And then Russia. Is that what you want? Do you want to be enslaved by the USA? If so, go on. Good money was used to modernise these weapons which will make Russia untouchable. For geopolitics, Syria is a big fish. Russia proved that his weapons are very good. They will bring lots of money, if you care so much about “good money”. And if you believe that WW3 is at risk, you are very gullible. For it already had begun and you seem not aware of it. Your country is the target. But thanks to Syria, Russia is currently safe.

    About China-Syria relationships:

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article193084.html

  157. Erebus says:
    @wraith67

    Neither the US nor Israel are particularly eager to test the effectiveness of the SA300s/400s…

    Nor, I suspect, are the Russians particularly eager to see them challenged.
    The situation would flip pretty dramatically one way or the other depending on which one won the encounter,. There would be profound ramifications, especially if the win was decisive.

    IMHO, the stakes just aren’t high enough yet. Everybody’s gonna hold their cards close, and their enemies closer, waiting for the other side to reach their do-or-die moment.

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