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It is pretty clear what took place yesterday night. Even if you don’t read Russian, the following chart released by the Russian Ministry of Defense says it all:

Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a bombing mission against targets near the Russian facilities in Khmeimim and Tartus (which, by itself, is both stupid and irresponsible). The Israelis *deliberately* did not warn the Russians until less than a minute before the attack took place, thus the Russians did not have the time to tell the crew of the Il-20 electronic warfare aircraft, which was on approach for a landing, to take evasive action. When the Syrian S-200 fired their missiles to intercept the incoming missiles, the Israelis F-16 used the Il-20, which has a much bigger radar cross section, to hide themselves resulting in the loss of 15 lives and one aircraft.

Typical Israeli “cleverness”.

The Russian MoD placed the full blame on the Israelis and declared that this attack was “dastardly”, the Israeli actions as “hostile” and said that Russia “reserves the right” to respond with “adequate counter-actions”.

This is one of these rare opportunities when there is, I believe, a viable and logical option to respond: tell the Israelis that from now on any of their aircraft approaching anywhere near the Russian forces will be shot down.

Will the Russians do that?

I doubt it. Why? Because of the very powerful pro-Zionist 5th column in Russia.

I am pretty sure that the Russian military would love to take such an measure but, unfortunately, they are limited in their actions by the 5th columnists in the Russian government.

We shall see. If Russia does nothing, it will be interesting to see how those who deny the existence of a pro-Zionist 5th column in Russia will explain this.

PS: the only positive effect from this tragedy is that this will go a long way to trash the image of Israel in the Russian public opinion (which is constantly subjected to pro-Zionist propaganda in much of the Russian media).

UPDATE1: there we go: Putin is already “downgrading” the gravity of what happened. He has just declared thatthe Israeli jet didn’t down our aircraft” and spoke of “tragic circumstances“. True, he did add that the Russians will take measures that “everyone will notice” but I am personally dubious about these “steps”. I hope that I am wrong. We will find out soon.

UPDATE2: I am watching the Russian media and I have to report that Zionist propagandists (Russian liberals and Jewish commentators) look absolutely *terrible*: they are desperately trying to blame everybody (the Syrians, Hezbollah, and even the Russians) except for Israel. This will not sit well with the Russian public.

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Israel, Russia, Syria 
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  1. wtf says:

    This isn’t sitting well with any public outside of the jewish public. There aren’t many excuses left for Putin to dream up that excuse Israel’s blatant homicidal anti-Russian attitude. This is just the latest. How about the Russian airliner, full of Russian tourists, shot down over Egypt? There can only be one reason Israel is allowed to slide time, and time again. It’s because of their tribal relations with the Central (Jew controlled) Bankers. A tribal relationship which gives Israel complete control over the American dollar. Hence the missing $21 Trillions, by now sure to be over $30 Trillions.
    I feel sad for Putin, because this isn’t going to sit well with his generals, or his public.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  2. True, he did add that the Russians will take measures that “everyone will notice” but I am personally dubious about these “steps”.

    As a matter of fact, these measures are government secret, meaning Putin wasn’t at liberty to discuss them in public. But rest assured, Putin will not let the murder of Russian servicemen go unaswered and fall down the memory hole. Putin wants you to know that he got that covered!

  3. Kotlin says:

    How come no one is addressing this issue that Latakia, surrounding area and Russian bases in Tartus were covered by S400/300. Since Israel didn’t notify Russia, so Russian missile system should’ve engaged any unfriendly planes approaching. But they didn’t and they failed. Why we are not being honest and admit that those anti-aircraft missiles were neutralized by IAF? Isn’t the time that we face the fact those missiles are just for show?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Brabantian says: • Website

    From Veterans Today:

    One of the reasons for the Israeli attack. Israel was caught, their security services inside Idlib, kidnapping children who were then murdered to film a fake gas attack.

    Our sources in Idlib, who traveled in as delivery drivers from Hatay, Turkey, have been tripping over Israeli “journalists” and “videographers” working hand in hand with the White Helmets and contractors for Britain’s MI 6.

    On August 30, 2018, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem stated that the US Coalition-sponsored White Helmets had kidnapped 44 children in order to use them as ‘props’ in the staging of a chemical weapon attack in Idlib.

    From a Syrian mother whose mute son Ahmed was kidnapped some months ago:

    “Ten days ago, a woman came to see me. She had just arrived from Idlib. She showed me a photo of Ahmed and confirmed he is still alive but imprisoned with many other children. She told me that the White Helmets move the children from place to place depending upon where the attacks might be staged. They are kept in prisons all the time. I worry so much that he is sick or scared and he can’t speak. I am convinced I will see Ahmed’s face in one of these chemical attack videos or reports.”

  5. hunor says:

    Never in human history of warfare before, military showed up on
    the battlefield and then refuse to fight back , just wait to be killed off.
    Is it a new way of fighting ? Is it a strategic suicide ? What is it ?

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  6. @hunor

    In Russia we call this “многоходовка” (elaborate chess combination), or alternatively “ХПП” (Putin’s cunning plan).

    What is happening in Syria would come as no surprise to you, if you followed conflict in the Ukraine. That war should have have been over in weeks. It’s now in its 5th year with no end in sight. It’s just how Putin deals with things. Apparently there is a great Russian victory at the end of it all, sometime somewhere.

    • Replies: @hunor
    , @The truth
  7. Da Wei says:
    @wtf

    wtf,

    It’s the same old Zionist pattern of attack:
    control the money;
    get your people in positions of power;
    control the media and education;
    destroy the family and moral fabric, including Christianity.
    QED

    What about all those indictments?
    Remember the Liberty.
    Good luck, Putin.

  8. oscarlat says:

    maybe ukronazis have putin correctly pegged as a shabas goim and russians as still in love with their judeobolshevik past thus their shabbas “goimness”. if outin allows judaic hollywood and music in he is a fool

  9. Kiza says:

    Saker, you are missing one big point. The Zionist 5th column in Russia is aiming at Putin himself, it is aiming for regime change in Russia. RT is quoting Putin as saying “Looks accidental, like chain of tragic circumstances”. Translated, 15 top Russian military specialists were crossing a street away from the pedestrian crossing (jaywalking) and got run over by a Syrian military truck; yes accidental, tragic, etc.

    If true (and RT does have a track-record of being under the Zionists), this statement puts Putin into Yeltsin’s league. This statement in its sheer stupidity even exceeds Yelstin’s farting whilst directing the German official music band and making Clinton laugh. And this is not even the first – when the Turkish Airforce CIA General shot down the Russian SU-24 and pilot got killed, Putin stated that Erdogan stabbed him in the back. Therefore, this just adds to the established track record of Putin’s stupidities.

    Even the MoD statement, opposite to Putin’s, which Putin claims to have personally approved, is a total joke: the Russians reserve the right to take take action (after only 200 bombing missions of the enemy).

    After so many Russian “partners” have taken pot shots at Russian soldiers, only the Russian Saudi Arabian partners remain to create another “accidental chain of tragic circumstances” costing Russian fathers their lives. Only a complete moron could expect that those who use terrorism on other countries and inside their own countries would respect any agreement they sign. Such shitbags sign agreements only to relax you before they strike.

    Maybe Putin feels too safe because he just won an election. Whatever it is, time for regime change in Russia is ripe, will the Russians do it themselves (military coup or …) or will they let the Zionists again appoint another Yeltsin for them?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  10. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Given that the MSM in America is ignoring the story, it’s very likely accurate.

  11. Kiza says:

    I do not know if Andrei Martyanov remembers his and my discussion before the last Russian election here at Unz that Putin has done much good for Russia but that he has exceeded his expiry date. From memory, this was Andrei’s point and I have fully agreed. Well, this is what a leader past his expiry date looks like. Putin could have retired as one of the greatest leaders in Russian history. Instead, he will resign or be deposed as a complete fool who Natty Yahoo exposed in front of the whole World, snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory in Syria. Now everyone will start walking all over Russia, the “accidental” laughing stock of the World.

    Interestingly, my 90-year old mother, in her wisdom, made a very good point – under attack by Western proxies, Serbian Milosevic tried to play exactly the same restrained military game with the West that Putin has been trying to play. For example, Milosevic let down (sacrificed) Bosnian Serbs for the sake of the “Western peace” and signed agreements. Only to be declared the Butcher of the Balkans a few years later by the US Jews, then to lose Kosovo and then lose his own life by the hand of the same “peace partners” of Russia.

    Finally, I am not arguing for a military response by Russia necessarily, I am arguing for Russia to stop making such a terrible international fool of itself; Putin shut the f*** up, stop negotiating and start doing. Or let someone else who will.

  12. Kiza says:

    Final thought. The vicious, greedy, murderous human animal invented nuclear weapons a little too early. The animal needed globalisation to bring it into face-to-face resource (oil, fresh water, land) stealing situations, where the nuclear war cannot be avoided. Now is the time for the animal to end itself. Those loudest about fighting terrorism are using terrorism as a main tool of conquest, internally and externally (giving Al Qaeda an Oscar for 911 and for Syria). Bombing Syria 200 times without any reaction by the rest of human animals. Ok end the human animal once and for all, but please, please make sure than not even one Jewish cockroach survives let alone a greedy Jew.

    Extinction of species is completely natural, as dinosaurs show. In a million years or two, the Earth will regenerate and start again, without humans and without the greedy Jews. Another chance for the planet.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
  13. Destroy an Israeli submarine under cover of darkness and say no more – a taste of their own medicine.

  14. Bryant says:

    Putin is an AngloZionist himself. Why is anyone surprised by his response?

  15. Greg S. says:

    Every time one of these incidents happens, a flood of “chicken-hawks” come out of the woodwork demanding that Russia should “release the S700s” and “shoot everything down,” etc.

    These people are idiots and should be ignored. The Saker is coming dangerously close to being one of these idiots himself.

    Russia has a clear mission in Syria: that is to re-establish control of Syria for the Assad government and prevent radical Islamic groups from taking over and using Syria as a home (and a launching pad for exporting their twisted views back into Russia). Once that happens, if they are smart, they will go home. Avoiding entanglements with countries like Turkey and Israel are part of that goal. To get themselves embroiled into the vipers nest (like the Americans have done) would be pure stupidity.

    So yes, Russia will likely do nothing about this, except perhaps change their own tactics to make it less likely to happen again.

    But this incident does do one very important thing: it exposes the complete and utter fraud and moral bankruptcy of the zionist controlled west and their corporate media who will not report this story and will decline to comment on why exactly Israel gets to bomb Syria at will.

  16. @Kiza

    And the director for those 2 productions starring AQ: the Israeli Deep State.

  17. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kotlin

    Well, you wouldn’t really want to go all Billy the Kid on anything that flies, the keys to the arming buttons are probably in the major’s desk drawer until the political situation becomes a lot more unstable. However, the “1 minute warning” … there should have been 10 minutes warning as the approaching planes should be picked up by ship or airborne radar. This is not a good sign.

  18. Kiza says:
    @Greg S.

    For all the cool-heads like Greg S, I have one situation analysis which I copied from a zerohedge US commenter.

    If an armed assailant busts into your home and raises his gun at you whilst you are holding a gun as well, you happen to shoot just as your child was walking out of the bedroom and you kill your own child. Who are you going to blame – the child, yourself or the intruder?

    That this needs explaining to some people is totally beyond me but I still tried.

    My own additional piece of this story is that the armed intruder was actually your boss and landlord and owner of everything you think you own (he even prints the money in your wallet). He came armed with a gun only because he wanted to have a bit of hanky-panky with your Iranian wife in the bedroom of the house that he owns. He apologises for the accidental killing of your child and blames you for shooting instead of letting him satisfy his lust for 200th time.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  19. I have to say that this comment reveals you to be the adult in the comments ‘room’ so far Greg.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  20. Jews still have plenty of power in Russia, sadly. They won’t be releasing their claws anytime soon, and I’m not even sure Putin is all that independent of them anyhow.

    For now. Something tells me that Jewish power has reached its zenith, and that too many people are starting to wake up and connect the dots.

  21. Realist says:

    Russia Blames Israel for the Shooting Down of Her EW Aircraft

    But will do nothing about it….as always.

  22. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke

    I guess none of his family members or friends were killed in that incident

  23. El Dato says:
    @Kiza

    It’s ok if you pay him for the moral outrage you caused him.

  24. The first reports here placed the downing on the Syrians. If the Syrians are running their own missile then it makes sense that the Russians said they were going to take them over.

    Anyone thinking the Russians could have overrun Ukraine back in ’14, of that the war is dragging on because the Russians simply haven’t gotten serious with Kyiv is having a meth induced dream. Russia won’t take Ukraine for the same reason Ivan didn’t come roaring through the Fulda Gap to go to Oktoberfest – the Army simply isn’t in good shape.

    Putin introduced regulars into the Donbas when the so called “separatists” were being crushed. They tried to take over both of the southeastern Oblasts, but the Ukrainian people themselves rose up and stopped the vaunted Russian Army.

    If you still think the Ukrainians are going to be a pushover, you’d better think again.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Begemot
  25. utu says:
    @Greg S.

    Russia has a clear mission in Syria: that is to re-establish control of Syria for the Assad government and prevent radical Islamic groups from taking over and using Syria as a home (and a launching pad for exporting their twisted views back into Russia). Once that happens, if they are smart, they will go home.

    So Israel can do whatever it wants and destabilize Syria again and let the chaos of sectarian fighting reign. I would say that if this was Russia’s mission it was pretty stupid.

    One can imagine that Russia’s mission was to restrain Iran in Syria on behalf of Israel. An this was the only reason (plus keeping Turkey away from Israel’s border) why Netanyahu agreed to Putin’s intervention in Syria in 2015. This ‘accidental’ shooting can be used as an excuse for a tougher Russia’s stance with respect of Iranian troops. A deal will be offered to Syrians: get rid of Iranians and we will reduce Israel incursions by maintaining some no fly zone over parts of Syria or we will leave and Israel will wipe you out. At the same time Russia will refuse to sell better AA defense to Syria to make it more dependent on Russia. Syria will end up being a hostage to whatever deals Israel will do with Russia.

  26. RobinG says:
    @Greg S.

    ………..RUSSIAGATE: The OTHER DOSSIER
    Cody Shearer PEDDLED DIRT to Sid Blummenthal

    #RealRussiaGate – The Story Behind the OTHER #Dossier “Cody Shearer”

  27. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg S.

    Putin does not need to chimp out and go crazy. But he looks weak by doing nothing which is not a good thing.

    Rather than do something rash like shoot down an Isreali plane, Putin could have given the S300 to Syria and Iran. He could have threatened Isreal. He could have done something.

    To just take a punch like that means Isreal is gearing up for their next volley.

  28. Kiza says:

    Here is an excellent summary in English from the Russian state cominiques: http://johnhelmer.org/?p=17934#more-17934.

    The only totally wrong thing in this article is the discussion whether the IFF of the Russian S200 system should have prevented the shoot-down of a friendly plane (both made in the same country). Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) is a system which prevents the launching of a missile against your own plane in a complex air battle environment. Now the Jewish 5th column in Russia is muddying the water (they are good at this) saying that it is a Russian screw up being blamed on Israel and John Helmer appears to have picked this up as fact.

    But, the truth is that IFF works to prevent a launch against a friendly target. It also prevents the missile from hitting a friendly plane under the standard mode of operation of targeting radars called CW. But CW mode is also a major vulnerability of targeting radars, because it can be jammed or spoofed to protect a foe, most Western planes are equipped with good CW counter measures. This is why the S200 system has been designed for semi-automous operation of its missiles. In the last part of the missile’s trajectory, the missile can hone in on a target in the absence of a CW signal illuminating its intended target. When the Israeli small fighter jets took cover “behind” a big IL20, the missile honed in on it because the missile’s own radar and logic selected the largest target as the most lucrative.

    Therefore, there was never a Russian screw up of any kind in this.

    Please keep in mind that Israelis are the World’s experts in Russian radar systems because many Jews were involved in their design and some have immigrated to Israel. A few years ago, Israel even hired a Cyprian older and export model of S300 to train its pilots against them. Knowing how much plannng goes into bombing missions, knowing that IL20 because it was EW was a constant cruising presence in the air, and that Israelis attacked targets right next to the biggest Russian airbase in Latakia (where there was potential for the Russian involvement), it is really hard to believe that this outcome was not deliberate.

    Ultimately, the Israelis are happy with Putin’s statements and unhappy with Shoygu’s. Please observe the photo of Putin with Nutty Yahoo in Helmer’s article, Putin’s face is so self-happy. Makes you wish someone would slam a rifle butt into the moron’s mug.

    The final irony is the one several people mentioned online – if the Syrians were operating an S300VM, the most modern version of the targeting radar, quite resistant to CW counter measures, the IL20 shootdown almost certainly would not have happened. Furthermore, if the Russian S400 was permitted to engage Israeli planes, it would have been the four Israeli F16s bathing in the Mediterranean Sea and body parts of Israeli pilots being collected instead of the Russian. On both options, Shoygu said yes and Putin said no. So who is to blame? Perhaps Putin is the Jewish 5th column in Russia.

    In my next comment I intend to outline what I think the Russians should have been and should be doing, how to deal with the Coalition of the Lovers of Terrorism.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  29. “Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a bombing mission against targets near the Russian facilities in Khmeimim and Tartus (which, by itself, is both stupid and irresponsible). ”

    I see it differently:

    Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a mission to (indirectly) bring down a Russian plane, under the pretense of bombing Syrian targets. The object being to exploit Putin’s apparent weakness and use it to trash his political popularity (and perhaps damage the morale of the Russian military).

    And I think Putin calling this calculated act of mass murder an “accident” was a serious blunder which made the mission a smashing success.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  30. Kiza says:

    The second muddying of water by the Russian MSM Jews is that the plane, being EW, should have employed its measures to defend itself. But the plane was under orders to land and was in a rush to land because it found itself all of a sudden in the middle of a battle: French frigate missile launches, Israeli missile launches and the Syrian missile launches. Why was it not warned earlier by the Russian S400 radar crews? Probably because the Russian military was under Putin’s orders that Israeli planes were the friendlies – they would not endanger the Russians due to the agreement that the moron/traitor signed with the Israeli terrorists.

    The French and the Israeli missile action appears to have been coordinated.

    Suggestion: do not believe anything the Russian MSM say.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  31. Antiwar7 says:
    @Quartermaster

    Russia won’t take Ukraine for the same reason Ivan didn’t come roaring through the Fulda Gap to go to Oktoberfest – the Army simply isn’t in good shape.

    You think Russia wants to go to Oktoberfest in Germany with their army? That says a lot about you.

  32. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    The Israeli air force had warned the Russian forces in Syria only one minute before the strike. A Russian IL-20 electronic warfare airplane (red line) was preparing to land at the Russian airport near Latakia just as the Israeli attack (blue) happened
    moonofalabama

    Israeli claims that its plane had returned by the time Russian was hit
    They also claimed they warned Russia

    So in one minute the warned, tried to bomb and then safely returned to Israel

  33. Begemot says:
    @Quartermaster

    So the Ukrainians stopped the Russian Army dead in its tracks. Then if a pathetic military like the Ukrainian has stopped the Russians there is NO need for all of NATO’s huffing and puffing about a Russian military threat, because these isn’t one. If you are correct.

  34. @Greg S.

    ChickenHawk my ass…
    Blow the effing Israeli state to pieces and be done with the greatest threat to world peace.
    It’s the principle outlet for the forces of evil on this planet.
    Good riddance.

  35. @Harold Smith

    And I think Putin calling this calculated act of mass murder an “accident” was a serious blunder which made the mission a smashing success.

    I just watched a vid of that and must say that I’m disappointed in him; he sounded exactly like some ‘Merkin president making weak excuses for the Zio-One World Mafia, not that he should have chimped out either. Pretty sickening stuff.

    I guess it’s up to Arabs to hand the Izzie goons a little “comeuppance” now and then.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  36. @Kiza

    Excellent comment! I agree 100% that the aggressors intended that the IL-20 be shot down.

    Putin is looking worse and worse; I think he’s not the right person to lead Russia through the valley of Zionist treachery.

  37. @jacques sheete

    Sickening is right. It reminds me of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and now Putin seems to be channeling LBJ (making excuses for the aggressors who just murdered his own people in cold blood).

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  38. The truth says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I believe Putin is just a show man, with a big yellow streak down his back, all talk and no action. its time a real Russian that does not allow Zionist cockroaches’ to get away with anything, in fact a true Russian leader would now go out of his way to exterminate this filth from the stolen lands.

  39. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    The world needs a large, permanent nuclear waste dump. It’s time for Russia to create one in Tel Aviv.

  40. This whole incident is incredibly weird. No matter which of the many competing interpretations of events you believe, it still comes across as one of the more improbable triple bank shot follies to occur in the history of modern warfare. And it bears a tragic resemblance to the case of MH17, which was another instance in which a group of Russian proxies used a Russian-made air defense system to shoot down a noncombatant aircraft.

    I am very much a supporter of the Russian side in these global proxy wars, but they had better get a handle on this. Perhaps it’s time for the Russian regular military to step up in force, to put its muscle where Putin’s mouth is. These amateurs will never be capable of bringing the issue to the sharp focus it needs for resolution. These endless skirmishes aren’t solving anything. Russia can no longer shirk the mantle of responsibility that fate has placed upon her, so she might as well just do what has to be done.

    • Troll: Kiza
  41. Erebus says:

    Joaquin Flores has the most interesting analysis I’ve seen to date. It’s just far enough out there to be true.
    In a nutshell, he says it was the French (who pleaded innocence before anyone accused them), in an attempt to destroy the prospect of good relations between the EU & Russia. That, and to disrupt the deal made with Turkey regarding Idlib. The latter having made irrelevant NATO’s plans to go live in Syria.
    Putin/Shoigu did an end run by blaming the Israelis for the scenario. That opens possibilities, including a no-fly zone.

    What is most important is that Russia avoided being lured into a PR and diplomatic catastrophe with France, which is what Atlanticists hoped for and tried to execute.

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/full-analysis-russian-disinfo-campaign-blames-israel-for-il-20-plane-downing-yet-exonerates-france/

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  42. @Kiza

    Maybe … It could be that the Russian Il-20 TOs require the mission crew to shut down the EW equipment during landing.

  43. Putin surely knows Israel did 9-11, specifically to get the US to fight wars for terrorist Jews.

    A superb response to this latest (((outrage))) would be for Putin to make a top priority of exposing the war crimes of terrorist Jews. But he hasn’t yet, so that possibility is unlikely.

    Sadly ironic that the greatest enemy of Russia and the US is none other than the Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael.

    • Replies: @anon
  44. EoinW says:

    I’ll concede there are numerous considerations in play. Capitulating to Erdogan and calling off the Idlib liberation is necessary as the opportunity to separate Turkey from NATO is too big a prize for Russia to ignore. Also jeopardizing relations with the EU by firing at a french ship is something else Putin wants to avoid. Thinking NordStream type things. Plus firing at Israeli jets and risking WW3, especially when the lunatics in Washington could have a trigger finger on the nuclear button would create a situation Russia cannot win – all humanity for that matter.

    Good reasons for turning the other cheek. Though we cannot say Putin apologists are right – time will tell – we can conclude they are guilty of wishful thinking. Aren’t many of us at this point? We do not want to admit weakness in Putin so we express our hope that he’s a grand strategy that will make everything right in the end. Yes Crimea was a bold stroke. So was intervening in the Syrian war. Yet those actions took place a few years ago. All we have seen since then is appeasement. Chamberlain has been crucified by historians for turning the other cheek once. Yet a year later he declared war on Germany. Makes one wonder how many more free passes Putin gets? On the question of being correct, the only certainty at this point is that Paul Craig Roberts has been proven correct and continues to be right as each Russian act of appeasement is met with bolder provocations.

    What troubles me is that Putin could do many things without risking a rupture in relationships with Turkey or the EU nor risking nuclear war. But he’s not even doing the bare minimum. He won’t call out Israel or France for their aggression. So forget about a basic retaliation, like breaking diplomatic relations and closing embassies. He won’t call out Israel for its continued violation of Syrian sovernty. So much for Russia supporting international law. Or how about full support for Syria? Who ever heard of two allies at war together and while one is continually stabbed in the back by a third party the other continues to be best friends with that third party? Israeli bombings should never have been tolerated. The sooner Syria is liberated, the sooner Russia can get out. Or is that thinking just not long term enough for Putin? How about economic actions against the West? There are many things Russia could do in retaliation without risking WW3. Yet Putin won’t even give Syria nor Iran the very best air defence system. But he’ll sell it to Turkey and the Saudis(please can I buy your friendship?). Take your friends for granted, while trying to bribe your enemies. Sure that’s going to turn out well.

    Yes we all want Putin to be our Great White Hope. Basically because there is no one else to root for who could stand up to the West. But we should not ignore the fact that Putin is one of the 1%. The 1% in the West are a bunch of parasites who are only interested in money and power. Just because Putin is Russian does not mean he is better than that. We hope he is better, however are we deluding ourselves? This is my one nagging fear. Maybe Putin will put my fear to rest in the near future. The omens are not looking great at this moment.

    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  45. @Erebus

    Flores has an interesting view, but I have a few questions:

    He says the French “early denial” doesn’t make sense because the French weren’t accused of anything at the time they denied involvement, but IIRC didn’t the Russians mention early on that they detected missile launches from the French ship? So maybe the French were responding to what they took as an implicit accusation?

    Also, if it was not a Syrian S-200 SAM that brought the IL-20 down, how does Flores explain the conspiuous inability of the Syrian S-200 system to take down any of the Israeli planes?

    Finally, do the French have the guts to shoot down a Russian plane, murdering everyone on board in cold blood in an unprovoked attack? Granted Putin’s not trigger happy, but the Russians have previously indicated that they would attack launch platforms if any of their personnel or assets were threatened. In light of that I don’t think I would want to be on a ship whose mission is to test Russian resolve.

  46. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Kittle

    “The Knesset has no limitation which prevents it from legislating extra-territorially anywhere in the world, including the area [‘Judea and Samaria’]’.

    Having made that statement, the Israeli government goes on to–

    “…Although the Knesset can legislate [concerning] any place in the world, although it is entitled to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries through legislation that would be applied to events occurring in their territories […], although it is within the authority of the Government of Israel to annex any territory […], although the Knesset may ignore directives of international law in any area it pleases […] despite all these, the plaintiffs seek to define a “rule” by which precisely in Judea and Samaria the Knesset is prohibited from legislating anything, and that precisely there, and nowhere else in the world, it is subject to the directives of international law”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2018/09/legalize-landgrab-international/

    SURE ISRAEL CAN MAKE LAWS ,CHANGE EXISTING LAWS,IGNORE EXISTING LAWS and apply them to the outside the borders of Israel .

  47. How I regret having trusted these (((shysters))) for as long as I did.

  48. @Kiza

    You are a deluded idiot. What is this crap? Why do you waste everybody’s time?

  49. @Greg S.

    Russia has a clear mission in Syria

    You can discuss what that mission might be all day long…a more important issue is WHY?

    When you understand the why part you will get the real answer as to the mission.

  50. @EoinW

    Yes we all want Putin to be our Great White Hope.

    Who is “we”? I mean, YOU’ve been seduced, that much is clear.

    We hope he is better, however are we deluding ourselves?

    If you have to ask yourself the question, I would suggest the answer is yes.

    This is my one nagging fear.

    Why would you need another one? Seems like that one pretty much covers everything.

    omens

    Omens? What is this, Game of Thrones?

  51. @Harold Smith

    It reminds me of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty

    How so? Aside from the fact that Israel was involved in both incidents.

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    , @nsa
  52. “It is pretty clear what took place yesterday night.”

    -The Saker

    Hilarious.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  53. Svigor says:

    UPDATE2: I am watching the Russian media and I have to report that Zionist propagandists (Russian liberals and Jewish commentators) look absolutely *terrible*: they are desperately trying to blame everybody (the Syrians, Hezbollah, and even the Russians) except for Israel. This will not sit well with the Russian public.

    Jews: the original dindus.

  54. @Johnny Rico

    It does because it does, and that’s why it does.

  55. @Johnny Rico

    “Hilarious.”

    How so?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  56. AWM says:

    Israel has probably 200 nuclear warheads targeted on Russia.
    Just like Russia and the US have 1500 aimed at each other.
    Why would any of these groups want to piss off the other?
    What we see is just for public consumption.

  57. nsa says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Ricostein is correct…..there is a major difference between Il-20 and the USS Liberty. This time the jooies didn’t strafe the lifeboats……..

  58. L.K says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Johnny Ricostein == Troll

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  59. @L.K

    Troll indeed! Rico by name, pobre by brains and moral decency.

  60. @Johnny Rico

    You’ve got one of those monitors with shiny, reflective glass?

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