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There are clear signs that the Neocons running the AngloZionist Empire and its “deep state” are in a state of near panic and their actions indicate they are truly terrified.

The home front

One the home front, the Neocons have resorted to every possible dirty trick on the book to try to prevent Donald Trump from ever getting into the White House: they have

  • organized riots and demonstrations (some paid by Soros money)
  • encouraged the supporters of Hillary to reject the outcome of the elections (“not my President”)
  • tried to threaten the Electors and make them either cast a vote for Hillary or not vote at all
  • tried to convince Congress to refuse the decision of the Electoral College and
  • they are now trying to get the elections annulled on the suspicion that the (apparently almighty) Russian hackers have compromised the election outcome (apparently even in states were paper ballots were used) and stolen it in favor of Trump.

That is truly an amazing development, especially considering how Hillary attacked Trump for not promising to recognize the outcome of the elections. She specifically said that Trump’s lack of guarantees to recognize the outcome would threaten the very basis of the stability of the US political system and now she, and her supporters, are doing everything in their power to do just that, to throw the entire electoral process into a major crisis with no clear path towards resolution. Some say that the Democrats are risking a civil war. Considering that several key Republican Congressmen have said they do support the notion of an investigation into the “Russian hackers” fairy tale, I submit that the Republicans are doing exactly the same thing, that this is not a Democrat vs Republican issue, but a “deep state vs The People of the USA” issue.

Most experts agree that none of these tactics are going to work. So this begs the question of whether the Neocons are stupid, whether they think that they can succeed or what their true objective is.

My guess is that first and foremost what is taking place now is what always happens when the Neocons run into major trouble: they double down, again. And again. And again. That is one of the key characteristics of their psychological make-up: they cannot accept defeat or, even less so, that they were wrong, so each time reality catches up to their ideological delusions, they automatically double-down. Still, they might rationalize this behavior by a combination of hope that maybe one of these tricks will work, with the strong urge to do as much damage to President-Elect Trump before he actually assumes his office. I would never underestimate the vicious vindictiveness of these people.

What is rather encouraging is Trump’s reaction to all this: after apparently long deliberations he decided to nominate Rex Tillerson as his Secretary of Defense. From a Neocon point of view, if General Michael Flynn was bad, then Tillerson was truly an apocalyptic abomination: the man actually had received the order of “Friend of Russia” from the hands of Vladimir Putin himself!

Did Trump not realize how provocative this nomination was and how it would be received by the Neocons? Of course he did! That was, on his part, a totally deliberate decision. If so, then this is a very, very good sign.

I might be mistaken, but I get the feeling that Trump is willing to accept the Neocon challenge and that he will fight back. For example, his reaction to the CIA accusations about Russian hackers was very telling: he reminded everybody that “these are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction”. I think that it is now a safe bet to say that as soon as Trump take control heads will roll at the CIA.

[Sidebar: is it not amazing that the CIA is offering its opinion about some supposed Russian hacking during the elections in the USA? Since when does the CIA have any expertise on what is going on inside the USA? I thought the CIA was only a foreign intelligence agency. And since when does the CIA get involved in internal US politics? Yes, of course, savvy observers of the USA have always known that the CIA was a key player in US politics, but now the Agency apparently does not even mind confirming this openly. I don't think that Trump will have the guts and means to do so but, frankly, he would be much better off completely dissolving the CIA. Of course, that could get Trump killed – messing with the Fed and the CIA are two unforgivable crimes in the USA – but then again Trump is already very much at risk anyway, so he might as well strike first].

One the external front

On the external front, the big development is the liberation of Aleppo by Syrian forces. In that case again, the Neocons tried to double-down: they made all sorts of totally unsubstantiated claims about executions and atrocities while the BBC, always willing to pick up the correct line, published an article about how much the situation in Aleppo is similar to what took place in Srebrenica. Of course, there is one way in which the events in Aleppo and Srebrenica are similar: in both cases the US-backed Takfiris lost and were defeated by government forces and in both cases the West unleashed a vicious propaganda war to try to turn the military defeat of its proxies into a political victory for itself. In any case, the last-ditch propaganda effort failed and preventing the inevitable and Aleppo was completely liberated.

ORDER IT NOW

The Empire did score one success: using the fact that most of the foreign forces allied to the Syrians (Hezbollah, Iranian Pasdaran, Russian Spetsnaz, etc.) were concentrated around Aleppo, the US-backed Takfiris succeeded in breaking the will of the Syrians, many of whom apparently fled in panic, and first surrounded and then eventually reoccupied Palmyra. This will be short lived success as I completely agree with my friend Alexander Mercouris who says that Putin will soon liberate Palmyra once again, but until this happens the reoccupation of Palmyra is rather embarrassing for the Syrians, Iranians and Russians.

It seems exceedingly unlikely to me that the Daesh movement towards Palmyra was undetected by the various Syrian, Iranian and Russian intelligence agencies (at least once source reports that Russian satellites did detect it) and I therefore conclude that a deliberate decision was made to temporarily sacrifice Palmyra in order to finally liberate Aleppo. Was that the correct call?

Definitely yes. Contrary to the western propaganda, Aleppo, not Raqqa, has always been the real “capital” of the US backed terrorists. Raqqa is a relatively small town: 220,000+ inhabitants versus 2,000,000+ for Aleppo, making Aleppo about ten times larger than Raqqa. As for tiny Palmyra, its population is 30,000+. So the choice between scrambling to plug the holes in the Syrian defenses around Palmyra and liberating Aleppo was a no-brainer. Now that Aleppo has been liberated, the city has to be secured and major engineering efforts need to be made in order to prepare it for an always possible Takfiri counter-attack. But it is one thing to re-take a small desert town and quite another one to re-take a major urban center. I personally very much doubt that Daesh & Co. will ever be in control of Aleppo again. Some Neocons appear to be so enraged by this defeat that they are now accusing Trump of “backing Iran” (I wish he did!).

The tiny Palmyra was given a double-function by the Neocon propaganda effort: to eclipse the “Russian” (it was not solely “Russian” at all, but never mind that) victory in Aleppo and to obfuscate the “US” (it was not solely “US” at all, but never mind that) defeat in Mosul. A hard task for the tiny desert city for sure and it is no wonder that this desperate attempt also failed: the US lead coalition in Mosul still looks just about as weak as the Russian lead coalition looks strong in Aleppo.

Any comparison between these two battles is simply embarrassing for the USA: not only did the US-backed forces fail to liberate Mosul from Daesh & Co. but they have not even full encircled the city or even managed to penetrate beyond its furthest suburbs. There is very little information coming out of Mosul, but after three months of combat the entire operation to liberate Mosul seems to be an abject failure, at least for the time being. I sincerely hope that once Trump takes office he will finally agree to work not only with Russia, but also with Iran, to finally get Daesh out of Mosul. But if Trump delivers on his promise to AIPAC and the rest of the Israel Lobby gang to continue to antagonize and threaten Iran, the US can basically forget any hopes of defeating Daesh in Iraq.

Our of despair and spite, the US propaganda vilified Russia for the killing of civilians in Aleppo while strenuously avoiding any mention of civilian victims in Mosul. But then, the same propaganda machine which made fun of the color of the smoke coming out of the engines of the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov (suggesting that she was about to break down) had to eat humble pie when it was the US navy’s most expensive and newest destroyer, the USS Zumwalt, which broke down in the Panama canal and had to be immobilzed, while the Kuznetsov continued to do a very good job supporting Russian operations in Syria.

Over and over again, the AngloZionist propaganda machine has failed to obfuscate the embarrassing facts on the ground and it now clearly appears that the entire US policy for the Middle-East is in total disarray and that the Neocons are as clueless as they are desperate.

The countdown to January 20th

It is pretty obvious that the Neocon reign is coming to an end in a climax of incompetence, hysterical finger-pointing, futile attempts at preventing the inevitable and a desperate scramble to conceal the magnitude of the abject failure which Neocon-inspired policies have resulted in. Obama will go down in history as the worst and most incompetent President in US history. As for Hillary, she will be remembered as both the worst US Secretary of State the US and the most inept Presidential candidate ever.

In light of the fact that the Neocons always failed at everything they attempted, I am inclined to believe that they will probably also fail at preventing Donald Trump from being sworn in. But until January 20th, 2017 I will be holding my breath in fear of what else these truly demented people could come up with.

As for Trump, I still can’t figure him out. On one hand he nominates Rex Tillerson in what appears to be a deliberate message of defiance against the Neocons, while on the other hand he continues to try to appease the Israel Lobby gang by choosing a rabid Zionist of the worst kind, David M. Friedman, as the next US ambassador to Israel. Even worse then that, Donald Trump still does not appear to be willing to recognize the undeniable fact that the US will never defeat Daesh as long as the anti-Iranian stance of the Neocons is not replaced by a real willingness to engage Iran and accept it as a partner and ally.

Right now the Trump rhetoric simply makes no sense: he wants to befriend Russia while antagonizing China and he wants to defeat Daesh while threatening Iran again. This is lunacy. Still, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but somebody sure needs to educate him on the geopolitical realities out there before he also end up making a total disaster of US foreign policy.

And yet, I still have a small hope.

My hope is that the latest antics of the Neocons will sufficiently aggravate and even enrage Trump to a point where he will give up on his futile attempts at appeasing them. Only by engaging in a systematic policy of “de-neoconization” of the US political establishment will Trump have any hopes of “making America great again”. If Trump’s plan is to appease the Neocons long enough from him to be sworn in and have his men approved by Congress – fine. Then he still has a chance of saving the USA from a catastrophic collapse, but only as long as he remains determined to ruthlessly crack down on the Neocons once in power. If his hope is to distract the Neocons by appeasing them on secondary or minor issues, then his efforts are doomed and he will go down the very same road as Obama who, at least superficially, initially appeared to be a non-Neocon candidate and who ended up being a total Neocon puppet (in 2008 the Neocons had placed their bets on McCain and they only infiltrated the Obama Administration once McCain was defeated).

One way or another, we are headed for a crisis, the only open question whether the USA will come out of this crisis liberated or doomed.

 
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  1. My guess is that first and foremost what is taking place now is what always happens when the Neocons run into major trouble: they double down, again. And again. And again. That is one of the key characteristics of their psychological make-up: they cannot accept defeat or, even less so, that they were wrong, so each time reality catches up to their ideological delusions, they automatically double-down.

    This is called gambler’s ruin and is a well-known phenomenon in Las Vegas. I believe the current research suggests that 7 to 10% of the population has the propensity to be problem gamblers. The neo-cons seem to be a part of this population.

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  2. My hope is that the latest antics of the Neocons will sufficiently aggravate and even enrage Trump to a point where he will give up on his futile attempts at appeasing them

    True Believers cannot be appeased and since our neocons are former Trotskyists they will go to the rack for their God Who Failed.

    Over and over again, the AngloZionist propaganda machine has failed to obfuscate the embarrassing facts on the ground and it now clearly appears that the entire US policy for the Middle-East is in total disarray and that the Neocons are as clueless as they are desperate.

    They have managed to conceal the squabble over Syrian oil found in the Golan and lusted for by Israel and that consortium of American ghouls; Summers, Richardson, Cheney, Murdoch et al who will never give up wreaking havoc in Syria.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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  3. It’s ridiculous under the theory that because Russia is antithetical to the neocons (as sanity requires of them, and it is hoped Russia similarly rejects insane warmongers within itself as well) that we Americans are required by patriotism to therefore embrace their madness. (Yes, delusion, since they insist on doubling down on every failed war promoting policy in defiance of reality.)

    We thought that we were supposed to oppose the Soviets because of their Godless Communism. Now that Russia has not by any stretch of the imagination been communist for a quarter of a century, it ought to be clear to every patriot that we got our wish and the time for cooperation had long ago occurred. Those of us who had been the most implacable Cold Warriors, evangelical Christians, are now supposed to embrace godless Americanism against a Russia no longer hostile to Christianity, or face persecution ourselves, because supposedly Pussy Riot was persecuted for invading churches and performing obscene actions at the altar, and because Masha Gessen is angry that homosexual recruitment of minors is against Russian law. That this useful idiocy supports neocon policy for conflict promotion that is good for military-industrial-financial profits is supposed to make us genuflect.

    I find no Christian reason that we ought to be making enemies of Russia, though the neocon/neoliberal alliance and its culture warrior vanguard thinks so, and that even if they make of Russia an enemy, that our Christian response ought to be Christ’s command to love our enemies, by refusing to do anything other than what is good for all of us. It is pretty hard to see how a Russia less hostile to Christianity than influential forces in our own country are, could possibly be our enemy.

    Let me also be clear: our lack of endorsement for Clinton has everything to do with policy disagreements with her, made for our own reasons, rather than that our judgement was “hacked” by purported Russian mind control.

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  4. Good article and yes we are headed for a crisis for the simple reason that the people have lost any faith in this government or form of government.Strange just how much this comes tru as you talk to people from all walks of life, from those in the military to small business people to the average American, and if Trump can’t turn that around then this country and its people have a very dim future.

  5. My take is that after playing their hand in the Kennedy assassination, the CIA decided to start running their own candidates for president to avoid the nastiness and potentially fatal blowback associated with “wet work” (is that the right euphemism?) when trying to force regime change in American politics.

    So, who have been the CIA candidates for president? As a minimum, I’ll offer Bill Clinton, Herbert Walker Bush, and Hillary Clinton, given their early associations with the CIA. The full-spectrum attacks on Trump, the incessant attempts to delegitimize his upcoming presidency, and rumors of a coup also, to me, have the fingerprints of the CIA, their “black ops”, and their multi-billion dollar “black budget” all over them.

    If Trump is serious about “draining the swamp”, I know where he can start should he survive long enough to be sworn in.

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  6. It is better to appoint a rabid Zionist to be the ambassador to Israel than to anywhere else.
    The previous administrations revelled in appointing rabid, Zionist, anti- Russians as ambassadors to Russia.
    There is no contradiction, China is an economic issue and Trump is very good at economics
    Iran is a future issue so a lot of bafflegab and not much else. The Israelis and the Saudis might want to be a wee bit more circumspect in their financing of Is and Daesh for the foreseeable future.

  7. “Neoconservatism”, look it up in Wikipedia. It is a label widely banded about and has taken on a pejorative connotation. It is not entirely appropriate to label the enemies of Donald Trump as Neocons; the vast majority of his enemies are more properly identified as “Liberals”. Trumps views are antithetical to commonly held notions of “American Values” which are typically Liberal.

    So perhaps the Saker should address the anti-trump phenomenon as a liberal “backlash” not as a neocon conspiracy.

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  8. Most experts agree that none of these tactics are going to work. So this begs the question of whether the Neocons are stupid, whether they think that they can succeed or what their true objective is.

    The Neocons are in the service of evil. That’s all anyone really needs to know about them. They must be destroyed. They will martyr Trump if their demented calculus recommends it.

  9. Trump may surprise everyone. Think about being a real estate developer in NYC. NYC is the most corrupt, Mafia-ridden city in America. That mean he’s been handling powerful criminals all his career. Of course, the Deep State makes the Mafia look like a Rotary club.
    Trump should hit them hard before they can organize a coup or assassination. Threatening the F-35 is a warning shot. If they want war he has many options. For example, no one in the US would care if we pulled out of Afghanistan, since everyone pretends we aren’t there. But the Taliban would instantly stop poppy growing, cutting off one of the Deep State’s revenue streams. Another example: he could stop outsourcing intelligence work as a cost cutting measure. That cuts off another revenue stream. Hammer the defense contractors and put a few military program managers on trial for corruption. The bastards wouldn’t know hit ‘em. And he always has the nuclear option: expose and break up the pedophile rings the DS uses for blackmail.

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  10. ERRATUM: Rex Tillerson has been nominated to become the next Secretary of State, not the next Secretary of Defense.

  11. “Right now the Trump rhetoric simply makes no sense: he wants to befriend Russia while antagonizing China and he wants to defeat Daesh while threatening Iran again. This is lunacy. ”

    You got that right but you might have better added Iran after China and left out the question of Trump’s desires in regard to Daesh, which simply confuses matters.

    It’s really a replay of fomenting the Sino-Soviet split, which it was incredibly stupid of the Soviet side to fall for. But what must be split now is more than two, East and West.

    On Palmyra consider this:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-palmyra-usa-idUSKBN1451XP

    Very, very interesting.

    Don’t see any reason that Russia or Syria will rush back into Palmyra–it is a trap, thick with US air and operatives at the moment.

    We’ll soon see who–including Turkey–is willing to shoot other air down and where. The US threat to give ISIS man-portable antiaircaft is hilarious. Some of the little stageplays could become gloriously low comedy.

    Putin is not playing chess in which the opposing players must make a move every turn. Click…click…click…CLICK!

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  12. I am rather skeptical with regard to no Neocons in Trump’s cabinet and other people in high positions that he will place. See http://www.infowars.com/neocon-invasion-of-team-trump-fully-underway/

  13. Only by engaging in a systematic policy of “de-neoconization” of the US

    Does this involve hanging gaggles of them like they did with the Nazis and Saddam’s Baathist party members?

  14. The Saker was referring to the neocons and their CIA mafia that carries out dirty tricks for the globalistic colonial agenda. What you refer to is better known as neolibs which serve as the “soft” colonialism that softens up targets and prepares the public to accept the CIA run conquest. The neolibs velvet glove approach their knowledge of Chomsky’s linguistics, the propaganda tricks of Edward Bernays, and NGOs to curry favor and identify officials to bribe. It works every time…

    Do not forget that Obama’s father and mother spent their careers working for CIA linked groups such as NED. His step-father was a high ranking Indonesian officer who directed many of the murders of some one million ethnic Chinese in Indonesia using lists compiled by Obama’s mother.

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  15. The article is filled with a lot of very succinct political analysis by The Saker.

    However, as The Saker looks at the situation from a political standpoint, if we look at it from a military analytical point of view, what Trump is doing may actually make far greater sense.

    Let us look at the Secretary of Defense with Matthias or Mattis (I have seen both spellings used). he is no nonsense career military man who many in the rank and file apparently from other reporting admire largely. He is also a US Marine, probably the most traditional service in the US Armed Forces next to the Navy and the US Coast Guard. Despite his Patton-like comments I would hazard a guess this man “suffers no fools”. I highly doubt this man will have much to worry about when it comes to dealing with executive from military contractors. In addition, like Goering under Hitler, he probably is quite capable of building his own network of spies to provide him succinct intelligence to allow both he and Trump to work with the problems they will both face.

    If we look at it from this standpoint, Trump’s selection for SOD make a lot of sense.

    Next we have Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State. Not a good pick if we look at the historical types of people that have been placed in this situation. Not since Reagan have we had a genuinely good Secretary of State (Baker & Schultz). However, Tillerson has good relations with Putin and I would imagine others in the Kremlin. Who else would the US want as SOS than a person who could sit down and talk on friendly terms with one of the most powerful nations on Earth even it is not a hyper-power like the US?

    What does Trump get out of this? He gets the ability to make deeper connections with the Russian military and intelligence agencies both of which he may really require if he does want to take apart the CIA and the military contractors. Neither have done the US any good in recent years. Having the military rank & file with Matthias at his back along with capabilities of Russian services, their intelligence agencies being superior to the US’s for many years may both be well thought out plans on Trump’s part. I doubt he selected Matthias out of nowhere and that both of them have been in the plannings stages for this for quite some time.

    General Michael Flynn may be anti-Iran but from what I understand he is also vehemently against neocon policies. So his selection as National Security Advisor also makes a lot of sense.

    Thus, you have three hardened people who will be in critical positions to thwart neocon policies infesting the Trump presidency.

    Trust me, any president who can the trust of the bulk of the US military rank & file while stemming the financial bleeding caused by disastrous, wasteful weapon programs will get high marks from the public.

    Now to Trump’s Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, a former, high level, financial executive. The current front-runner will probably not make it through the confirmation process due to his dubious handling of a California Bank. However, whether it is the current front-runner or someone else, Trump needs someone to handle the Fed. Who else but a person who has lived and worked in the same swamp? It is possible that Mnuchin may be the man to close down or reign in the Fed, which I believe Trump has in his cross-hairs as well. Mnuchin has been a long-time associate of Trump’s so if he is going to go after the Fed he would need someone that understands how that organization works (even if he never wo9rked there) through the types of people that are often selected to run it; other financial industry heads.

    DeVos, Trump’s pick for Department of Education, is the only clear-cut neocon I have seen him
    pick so far. She is a nut-job by far but she could be just a bone being tossed out to the neocon rabble to keep them quiet for a while. her attempts at trying to close down public education in general will not get very far. She will be fighting every parent who does not want to have to pay for private schools (aka “for profit”) as probably very tough resistance from the teachers’ unions. Her life at the DOE will probably become a nightmare and no amount of money that she has will be able to ward that off since you can’t really ward off “stupid”.

    And now we come to Friedman, the real blot in the paper. he has been selected as ambassador to Israel, while for the most part everyone else could care less about Israel, except maybe for Mnuchin. Good let the man go live in the embassy in Israel. Trump has to know that allowing the embassy to be moved to Jerusalem will most likely cause so much conflict that it will not be able to be accomplished. I believe Trump is already reviewing this idea.

    And if Trump wants to actually destroy ISIS as he claims it is highly unlikely that at that at the same time he will initiate brand new hostilities in a similar vein with such a move.

    In military parlance, some of Trump’s picks could be viewed as “feints”, while his main focus will be on ridding the swamp of the neocons, who by the way are also America’s worst “Israeli Firsters”. His most important picks so far seem to be in the direction of ridding them from power, which if course will do Israel very little good while possibly breaking their political stranglehold on the US government.

    So in essence Trump has made some very strong selections, which will support his most immediate plans while pawning off a few for appeasement’s sake.

    If Trump is doing what I believe he is doing than an attempted coup will most likely fail as well as any assassination attempts since Russia would have a lot to lose by seeing another war monger like Clinton or Clinton herself take the reigns. So with Tillerson as SOS I expect Russian intelligence agencies to keep Trump quite safe for the time being…

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  16. There was no Takfiris in Srebrenica. It was besieged city where the local population defended themselves. One commander was brought who encouraged attacks on Serbian farmers to get food but with killing civilians, and when Srebrenica was about to fall, this commander was rescued by helicopter and the slaughter was made.
    All sides was manipulated by CIA, including Serbs.
    Saker is unable to see the real situation in Yugoslavia because loves the Serbs too much and hates Muslims too much. But for truth you need to love the truth, no matter how ugly.

    The interview with Robert Baer, senior CIA operative – Baer worked in Yugoslavia during the 1991-94 period
    Can you name the politicians in the former Yugoslavia were paid by the CIA?
    Yes, although it is somewhat delicate. Stipe Mesic, Franjo Tudjman, Alija Izetbegovic, many counselors and members of the government of Yugoslavia, were paid as were Serbian generals, journalists and even some military units. Radovan Karadzic was being paid for a while but stopped accepting help when he realised he would be sacrificed and charged with war crimes committed in Bosnia. It was directed by the American administration.

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    Whatever decision Trump is going to make because Trump himself does not know. What we know about Trump is that he plays the long game and he likes to keep his options open.

    I do not think for a moment that Trump decided to do “The Apprentice” then later on decided to run for president. He most likely decided to run for president, then figured The Apprentice into the mix. He had the option to run or not run, but if he had decided not to run, nothing lost; he still had the success of that program.

    There is a pattern to his appointments; he is keeping his options open and probably expanding them somewhat.

    Whatever decision he makes in the next eight years will be “obvious” because he has prepped himself to make that decision, but do not lose sight of the fact he prepping himself to make any decision he deems most beneficial to the dollar.

  18. Ahem,

    Señor Trump in Orlando:

    “”We are going to build safe zones in Syria and we are going to get the Gulf states to pay for the safe zones…”

    Sound a lot like Señora Clinton?–as the Russians have noticed:

    //sputniknews.com/politics/201612171048695173-safe-zone-trump-clinton/

  19. Indeed, even before Obama took office, Democrats, and especially “Progressives”, were already explaining away every hint in Congress that Señor Obama was a coffee-colored Señor Bush and they just kept explaining away for the bulk of eight years.

    Nice to see Señor Trump explainers away getting the same early start on Señor Trump as something other than Señor Obama in white face or Señora Clinton in undrag.

  20. Jeje, another article on Señor Trump’s Syrian “safe zones”:

    https://sputniknews.com/us/201612171048680073-trump-safe-zones-syria/

    In the same speech Señor Trump ” thanked the Cuban American and Hindu communities for their strong support during the November 8 presidential election”.

    Suckers.

  21. It is a pity that there are two big mistakes in the text: the inhabitants of Srebrenica were called Takfiris, but they are not, and the Serbian forces called government forces – but they are not. The complete construction is incorrect and is better to be deleted. Anyone who tries to compare the Srebrenica with Aleppo makes a mistake because they are different things.
    Having introduced the party on a national basis in political system in Yugoslavia (Bosnia and Her. included), the Serbs as a second nation in numbers could not win enough votes to form a government, so they decided to separation. You can not call separatists “government forces” – that is a blatant lie. The problem with Srebrenica was that it was predominantly Muslim town in the area that is designated to be the Serbian part. So what making them Takfiris and similar to islamic extremists in Aleppo?

  22. The idea that the Russian intel services will have Trump’s back is a nice thought. He’ll need it. I have the image of Kennedy’s Secret Service driver stopping the car in the middle of the street while bullets ripped into Kennedy from multiple directions. (According to >50 witnesses.). The secret service’s despicable betrayal has always made me sick.

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  23. Over and over again, the AngloZionist propaganda machine has failed to obfuscate the embarrassing facts on the ground and it now clearly appears that the entire US policy for the Middle-East is in total disarray and that the Neocons are as clueless as they are desperate.

    This is ironic considering your entire shit country is in disarray.

    I’m not worried about the situation in Syria at all. ISIS and the rebels aren’t going anywhere. Hezbollah and what is left of the Syria army are being bled dry.

    By the way, the fact that Trump has appointed so many pro Israel people and yet Putin still loves him is further proof of what we already knew: Putin doesn’t give a shit about the Palestinians.

    As for Iran, it’s a blight on the map and won’t be there much longer. Trump isn’t going to waste time building relations with a country destined for annihilation.

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  24. DeVos’ brother is Erik (Blackwater) Prince, an expert at creating an off-the-books private army staffed by former SpecOps snakeeaters.

  25. If Trump alienates enough Congressional/Senate Republicans of all stripes he invites impeachment. The MIC, big pharma, ACA insurers will finance the effort.

  26. The step father worked for the big Indonesian oil company, not the Indonesian military.
    It’s true that the president of Indonesia pre empted a communist revolution supported by China when Obama’s mother lived there.
    But being that the Dunhans were ardent communists, it’s doubtful that Obama’s mother helped the Indonesian government get rid of the Indonesian communists

    It’s far more likely that obama’s mother married Soetero and went to Indonesia as a communist sleeper agent to help along the communist revolution that was supposed to happen 1965 or 66.

    Obama’s real father was probably grandpa Dunham’s best friend, Frank Marshall Davis head of the communist party of Hawaii, such as it was.
    The Dunhams including Obama’s mother were communists. Grandpa Dunham was on a list of communist agents compiled by the FBI as early as 1941.

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    1. Putin is a patriot; Russia is his first and only priority. He couldn’t care less about Palestine if he can establish friendly relations with Trump. In fact, I won’t be surprised if he puts TRUMP name on some towers in Moscow or St. Petersburg. If Trump and Putin develop good friendship, Putin may even work hard in the background to get Trump reelected in 2020.

    2. As for Iran, Iranians are smart. They will befriend Trump and negotiate some deals. Expect to see TRUMP towers in Tehran and Isfahan concurrent with easing of sanctions and progress towards normalization a la Castro’s Cuba under Obama. If things work well, we may even expect peace in Korean peninsula and TRUMP tower in Pyongyang.

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  28. > Putin doesn’t give a shit about the Palestinians.

    And Russia loses from that….. how?

  29. Whistling past the graveyard, I see. Well, it’s an improvement on your usual practice of spitting when you see a cross.

  30. Saker

    I don’t like the use of the term “Deep State”. There is nothing mysterious behind the scenes going on here. The US is split along racial lines. There is no “WE THE PEOPLE”. Americanism is a fairly tale for the White “Muh C0nstitutional Principles!!! Tea Party Patriotards. It has always been about Racial Tibalism. In 2016, Racial Tribalism has become much more explicit.

    If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, Hillary Clinton would not have been a viable POTUS Candidate in 2o16.

    The wierdo degenerate White Leftists-Liberals and Fifth Column Zionists are piggy-backing 0n the exponentially growing majority nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc.

    A few years back, a Russian expert on US History and Culture predicted the breakup of the US along demographic fissures. He made this prediction 7 years ago. In fact, he predicted the breakup of the US would happen exactly 7 years from year of his predicti0n.It looks like he was right.

    The breakup of the US along demographic fissures was set into motion by the 1)The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and 2) post-1965 Immigration Policy which was fundamentally driven by the low wage labor policy of the MEGA-Corporations that own both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party…..The Trump Republican Party included.

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  31. Only by engaging in a systematic policy of “de-neoconization” of the US political establishment will Trump have any hopes of “making America great again”.

    True, but it’s very unlikely that he can do it. Neoconization is so completely engrained in the US political, administrative and media fabric such that it virtually IS the organized structure of US government.

    Democratic elections are a sort of historical inconvenience, particularly this time around, as they have produced Trump, but there’s not much he can do while the whole deep state machinery is directed at subverting or removing him.

    Realistically, change can only come when the political, administrative and media structure itself starts to melt (Neoconization only has power and security through this protective shell), and there are some indications that the melting process is underway.

    The problem is that fluidity brings anarchy, which is highly dangerous for the public in an advanced society dependent on very complicated supply chains – but it may happen anyway – making the US the world’s Nº1 source of instability.

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  32. indeed aleppo was a victory for someone,anyone could claim victory really.what a sorry sight but nothing compared to what awaits the coastal cities of the alawite homeland.assad should have realized by now that if the syrian army cannot hold a position without support from outside forces he has lost the right to rule.the time to negioate syria,s future is now mr assad

    from pyrrihic victories only vultures arise.

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  33. You are living in a past decade, probably the 70′s.

  34. “As for Trump, I still can’t figure him out.”

    Trump is in many respects a child of the MSM that has dominated US culture for most of his life. While he has shown incredible insight and outside-the-box thinking on issues like immigration, because, to be frank, the box is so full of holes that only the most blindered acolytes can continue to hold the beliefs that being in the box requires one to hold, on a number of other issues the apparent wisdom continues to hold water, and so Trump takes up those views to conserve his precious “governance budget” for more pressing matters.

    You aren’t getting a lot of original thinking with Trump, just a studied series of attempts to maximise the value-add of his efforts. Poke a few more holes in the boxes that you wish to change, and he might start to look at (or even see for the first time) problems that require a new approach.

  35. This really makes no sense to me. The neocons (eg., Prince R.) and Israel First crowd (Trump’s son-in-law) Arte taking over Trump’s team and getting their own people hired. The neocons and Israel aren’t terrified, they’re elated.

  36. No, it is a ‘neo-con’ conspiracy as revealed by its pathological hatred of Russia inherited from its Trotskyist background.

  37. I personally very much doubt that Daesh & Co. will ever be in control of Aleppo again.

    ISIS has never been in control of Aleppo, and has had bloody battles with the Nusra groups that were.

    not only did the US-backed forces fail to liberate Mosul from Daesh & Co. but they have not even full encircled the city or even managed to penetrate beyond its furthest suburbs.

    More indication you don’t know what you are talking about.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-idUSKBN13Z0G9

    Also, the main forces fighting for Mosul are Iranian backed. Our actual Kurdish proxies have already retaken nearly all Kurdish-majority areas back from ISIS.

    Beyond the fact you d

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  38. The use of “neocon” in this article is gibberish. What the foreigner author ascribes to “neocons” are just the old Clinton/Obama foreign policy establishment, who have never supported any Republican.

    Trump is quite close with a number of people who were usually called neocons in the 2000′s, and John Bolton will be #2 at state.

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  39. Right now the Trump rhetoric simply makes no sense: he wants to befriend Russia while antagonizing China and he wants to defeat Daesh while threatening Iran again. This is lunacy.

    I think there’s a pretty obvious explanation for Trump’s positions on Russia, Iran, and China, as well as the Russia bashing by the Neocon faction, without resorting to “lunacy”.

    The US faces Ischenko’s Either / Or. Either it tries to become/remain World Hegemon, Or it recedes to take care of its collapsing homeland.
    I long thought Trump chose the latter, but looking at his appointments I’ve since come to think he’s not going to abandon the “Grand Chessboard”, opting to play a more realistically tuned Great Power role in a re-kindled Great Game.
    The Old Anglo-American Imperialists recognize that “World Hegemony” is a pipe dream, that there’s now 3 Great Powers in the world, and that the Neocons have all but taken America out of the Game. At that level the balance of power is everything – a constant, wary dance between the three in turn allying two against the 3rd on this or that matter of interest. Bismarck understood this, and Orwell illustrated it. Kissinger/Nixon “opened” China to drive the wedge between them and the Soviets deeper. Kissinger and Brzezinski have both recently come out with statements that the Great Game is back on the menu, and I think Trump subscribes to this view of the world. Insane? No. Unrealistic? Probably not.

    My guess is that this has been in the works for a while, and is what the talked of “Kerry-Lavrov Pact” is all about. Russia gets Eastern Europe and leverage over Western Europe, in exchange for diluting Russian support of China’s interests in the ECS & SCS, and Africa, and having American interests considered in the building of OBOR / New Silk Roads. If so, it is an attractive offer that any Great Power would seriously consider. The unrealistic part is that the US’ ability to deliver is doubtful, regardless of its intent. Also, the Russians are smart. Together with the Chinese, they’re smarter than the Americans know, and they may well snatch the cheese and leave the trap unsprung. We’ll see.

    If this is what’s unfolding, it is anathema to the Neocons. Theirs is a post-national, globalist ideology whereby they envision themselves running the world through the institutions they control – the UN, the OECD, the IMF, the BIS, G20, etc – backed by American military power. It’s heady stuff that sounds awesome in faculty lounges and Thinktankland, and has swelled many heads both inside and beyond the Beltway. What they seem utterly blind to is that it has already failed in the real world.
    The Neocons pissed away their “World Hegemon” cards by misusing the USM’s power, and abusing the institutions they controlled. Meanwhile, their two competitors (Russia & China) husbanded their cards, and began a process of allying themselves to the detriment of the USA. In fact, the Neocons took the US out of the game when they deluded themselves that it was over, and “History had Ended”. Trump is on record saying that driving Russia and China together was the stupidest foreign policy result of the Neocons’ ideology. Hard to argue with that, and he shows every inclination to try to get back into it, and to start by “winning Russia over”. In appointing Tillerson he picked the perfect man for the job.
    The Neocons, of course, want none of that. They want it all, their ideology demands nothing less, and the lesson they have yet to learn is to what extent Russia & China have risen, the depth of their strategic alliance, and the state of decline of American power. Their strategy to take control of Russia (rather than ally with it) to isolate and manage China has already failed. It failed in Syria, it failed in the ‘stans, it failed in Ukraine, it is failing in Europe, and has utterly failed inside Russia itself. More to the point, it has failed within the USA itself. They lost on all fronts – military, political, social, financial, cultural – on the world stage, and they lost the consent of the USA population. This failure has been exposed, so they’re acting like children, hoping they’ll achieve by throwing a tantrum what they failed to get by thievery. Namely, by planting the meme of “Evil Russia”, they hope to set the stage for disrupting Trump’s freedom and scope of action in wooing Russia.
    That is what the panic is all about. The Neocons have no option but to double down on World Hegemony, while Trump realizes theirs to be an ideological delusion and wants to restart the Great Game.
    Obama, idiotically, said Russia is “a small and weak country”. Trump knows better, and so do the Generals he’s surrounded himself with. They all know Russia is already a formidable foe, so better that they turn it into a formidable ally. The 2 greatest energy producers, the 2 greatest military powers, the 2 largest countries, containing the bulk of the world’s natural resources (esp if one includes America’s Scotland, Canada), can indeed, together divide and rule the world. That’s almost as heady a vision as the Neocon dream, but an order of magnitude more realistic.

    As for Iran, one glance at the maps of the ancient Silk Roads shows that most of the ancient routes converged on Tehran before heading off again in various directions to MENA and Europe. In ancient times, Tehran was the fulcrum on which Eurasian trade balanced and that role isn’t obsoleted by the modern version. It is critical to Anglo-American interest in the Great Game that Iran’s participation in OBOR/New Silk Roads be “managed”.
    It is also to Russia’s interest. Iran will be a major energy competitor. Should it rise to regional hegemony in the ME, it will control the bulk of the world’s cheapest oil, while its intellectual and cultural depth, and it’s natural resource bounty will inevitably help propel it into the ranks of major powers. Allowed into the Eurasian Dream as Gatekeeper leads inevitably to questions about how it will use that status.
    The Kremlin is well aware that the new Silk Roads have few options but to take Russian routes should Iran stay/become less available.

    Summa Summarum, the more interesting questions regarding the behaviour of the Neocons revolve around whether the Great Game is on again and the extent to which Russia welcomes that development, rather than questions about their sanity.

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  40. We must not lose sight of the fact that Trump has appointed a rabid Zionist and NeoCon as the Ambassador to IsraEl, it’s trouble maker in the middle east.

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  41. “”We are going to build safe zones in Syria and we are going to get the Gulf states to pay for the safe zones…”

    What’s the difference between a ‘safe zone’ and a No Fly zone?

    Now that American, Israeli and Saudi special forces have been captured in Aleppo, Putin has some valuable bargaining chips.

    In addition to Voltaire.net, the other original report was provided by Damascus-based Syrian journalist Said Hilal Alcharifi. According to Alcharifi, captured “NATO” officers were from a number of member states including the US, France, Germany and Turkey, as well as Israel. Here is his statement (translated from French):

    “Thanks to information received, Syrian authorities discovered the headquarters of high ranking western/NATO officers in the basement of an area in East Aleppo and have captured them alive. Some names have already been given to Syrian journalists, myself included. The nationalities are US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari etc. In light of their nationalities and their rank, I assure you that the Syrian government have a very important catch, which should enable them to direct negotiations with the countries that have tried to destroy them.”

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/reports-at-least-10-nato-military-officers-captured-by-syrian-special-forces-this-morning-in-east-aleppo-bunker/

  42. […] Written by TheSaker; Originally appeared at TheUnzReview […]

  43. I’m sure the president of Syria will be deeply impressed by a ill-spelled, poorly punctuated and ungrammatical screed in a foreign language informing him that he can’t do what he has already done.

    [from pyrrihic victories only vultures arise.]

    Don’t quit your day job.

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  44. Putin is a patriot; Russia is his first and only priority. He couldn’t care less about Palestine if he can establish friendly relations with Trump.

    And Palestine/Iran is The Saker’s first (and possibly only) priority. This is why he continually writes stupid articles about how Putin is going to help Iran take Israel down. He is your classic delusional Stormfronter.

    As to your point that Iranians are intelligent, you couldn’t be more wrong. Iranians are an exceptionally stupid and primitive people.

  45. Trump is quite close with a number of people who were usually called neocons in the 2000′s, and John Bolton will be #2 at state.

    My least favorite Trump pick by far, but I know that Trump had to do it.

  46. If the Mosul campaign was going well, you can bet the Americans would be claiming full credit for it!

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  47. Why did the assassination attempt on De Gaulle fail, dramatised at the start of the Day of the Jackal, and the attampt on JFK succeed? One driver stepped on the accelerator, the other the brake. Amazing that JFK almost survived an assassination attempt so completely rigged to succeed.

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  48. “Trump may surprise everyone.”

    Agree. A lot of people (mainly, the people who voted for him) were surprised by Obama in the negative direction. We thought he was great and he turned out to be a disaster.
    I think it is quite possible that Trump will surprise us in the other direction.
    Call it the Prince Hal syndrome. He did not get to where he is now by being stupid.

    The country needs someone who is canny, ruthless, not swayed by BS, and not afraid of a few showdowns at the OK Corral as well as well-aimed and executed behind-the-scenes measures to rid the USA and world of the gangsters that infest the Deep State. Starting with castrating the CIA sounds like a great idea.

    I sure hope that “Settler King” Friedman or whatever his name is soon obliged by Trump to wipe the smile off Netanyahu’s face.

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  49. I don’t get Lot’s attitude here. The facts of article he linked to are all according to the Iraqi army. Do we expect them to say, “We’re getting our asses kicked?”

    But even though the source could hardly be less trustworthy, the article’s despondent tone and rather modest claims of progress in the taking of Mosul are more supportive of the Saker’s claims than of Lot’s rude rebuke.

    Lot could be a great man if he were more honest.

  50. I sure hope that “Settler King” Friedman or whatever his name is soon obliged by Trump to wipe the smile off Netanyahu’s face.

    He won’t be. Trump doesn’t give a shit about the Palestinians, just like 99.9% of the world’s non muslim population.

  51. I completely agree that we (the people) have no ideological differences with Russia.

    The “elites” are trying to convince everyone that there is a chasm between us. Ultimately the want us to go to war with Russia over the sanctity of gay marriage; an institution we’ve only adopted this year ourselves.

    Their insanity is becoming more and more apparent to all but themselves.

  52. I’m hoping that Trump is “choosing his battles” wisely, not antagonizing enemies until the time is right to do so.

    This Friedman character is truly disturbing (and disturbed) but perhaps….. maybe…… he’s a Trojan Horse to the neocons (bolsheviks), to sideline them and keep them quiet, for now? I dunno, but I can certainly see why Trump might not want to fight on 17 fronts at once.

    Unlike the neocons (bolsheviks), Trump doesn’t have a lot of experience in infiltration, subversion and deceit. So far, though, he’s played a masterful game getting the neocons (bolsheviks) to expose themselves. Who ever thought Twitter could be such a useful weapon of war???

    Trump does have an awful lot to worry about, if he truly is the decent guy so many of us are hoping he is.

  53. Only a holder of Israel’s highest decorations for military service like Ehud Barak could get away with offering as much as he did to the West Bank Arabs. Tllerson’s appointment signals that the US will be open to doing business with Russia if they accept certain conditions, but Trump is going to start by cutting Russia off from US technology like Reagan did. It is the only language they understand.

  54. The neocons and American left are combining to rake Trump over the coals over his non-confrontational stance with Russia. Why America would want a confrontational approach to Russia who are just as much a natural ally as the rest of Europe is beyond me. But the neocons seem to prefer war over peace.

    Trump has the American people. But 95% of the media both right and left is pretty strong headwinds.

    Trump needs to ally with a few of them. He has to pick his battles.

  55. Immigration Acts brought non whites ,non christian,non protestants to America shore . Without the immigrant population from these countries , while it is true we would not be seeing racial tension,racial and religious bait along White and non-White line , we still be seeing and experiencing racial tension along a different line -the subdivision sof European and subdivision of Christianity . To get the votes of Polish or Iris or Italians ,pandering to them would been the norm. Because that’s the way society and politic work . Without any Muslim in India the politicians would have been left with old clannish cast, language and ethnic rivalries . Threat , separateness,differences, and abuse of them do not disappear They change They get transcended by same sort of differences which are newer but not necessarily larger or mightier .

    A different economic and political maps also would have shaped this country .would have herded it’s foreign policy and military aggression had it not passed those immigration acts . Intervention in other countries involvement in other countries affairs, abuse or use of labor forces and financial windfall of the 1 % would not have been possible . America in essence would not have an empire with 700 bases Wars have built a different kind of academia ,media, religious attitudes, war has given America a culture of violence and uncouthness . 1 % has diffused the tension out of pure white Euroepan clans to the large number of different ethnic groups This has allowed them to escape scrutiny
    . Without non white population, America would have possibly embraced much less draconian drug polices which impact the whole world and would have e possibly embraced national health policy and sound free education policy It even possibly would have developed a socialistic model for housing fro the teacher police and low wage city workers . If it did not do those in this type of situation ( a pure European white majority of 80- 90 % ) America would have been mired in worst internecine fratricidal violence . Shay’s rebellion or Haymarket would have dotted the rest of the country in each decades.

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    To be fair to William Greer, JFK’s driver that day, he was surprised by the sight of so many men atop the triple overpass in front of him as he turned west on Elm Street. The very presence of those men was a total violation of security protocol, and his initial reaction was NOT to go under the overpass. But there was no other place/exit for Greer to drive toward.

    Those largely unknown men on the overpass on Elm Street, fifteen feet above the president’s convertible limo, guaranteed that whoever was driving the open limo that day would momentarily slow the limo down, rather than pass under such an obvious security risk. Which is exactly what happened.

    I believe their presence was intentional.

    One shot at the president may have been fired from that very overpass, as initial reports (and possibly photos) had a bullet hole – not a crack, but a hole – in the windshield of the limo. The fact that the doctors at Parkland reported that JFK had an entry wound in his throat would support this probability.

    What was absolutely completely rigged was the framing of Oswald. Oswald had to be eliminated because a living Oswald meant a trial, and that meant he could talk about his handler/s. I believe Oswald was to have been shot while “escaping” on the bus on Elm Street, but he got off before the two mysterious DPD officers boarded and searched the passengers.

    Anyway, to The Saker’s point, the CIA was involved up to its eyeballs. I’d like to hear more about the theory that JFK’s “messing with the Fed” had something to do with this.

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  57. It was besieged city where the local population defended themselves.

    I thought Srebrenica was a demilitarised UN Safe Heaven for the civilians!? Then what with were these locals “defending” themselves?

    In reality, Srebrenica was the same kind of Safe Heaven as what the US has been trying to establish in Syria – a safe base of operations for its favorite terrorists. A whole Muslim Army division was based in the “demilitarised” Srebrenica, plus Naser Oric’s vicious paramilitaries. The latter were the killers of the ISIS kind – slitting the throats of the elderly Serbs in the villages surrounding Srebrenica, around 1,500 of them. Naturally, Naser Oric was the darling of the Western intelligence services, therefore parallels between Syria and Bosnia originate from the fact that Bosnia was the Western early model for Syria.

    At around 15,000 peace-time inhabitants, Srebrenica could be called a township at best. The fact that you call it a “city” says that your English is not great and suggests that you are probably a Bosnian Muslim living in the West.

    Finally, the Western claim that the Serbs killed 8,000 man in Srebrenica would mean that more than half of your “city’s” peace-time population had been killed, but even the West never claimed that women were killed. The claim of 8,000 killed has the same validity as the claim that Serbs raped 300,000 Muslim women in Bosnia which had about 400,000 Muslim females of all ages (later on, this was used as a model for the claims that Ghadafi was distributing Viagra pills to his soldiers to rape Libyan women), or most Westen claims about Aleppo. It is all pure propaganda sewage!

  58. indeed aleppo was a victory for someone,anyone could claim victory really.what a sorry sight but nothing compared to what awaits the coastal cities of the alawite homeland.

    Feel the true joy of the Jew – the thing that bonds the Judaics – tribal death and destruction – kill the Alawite!

    Is mcohen salivating or what?

    Peace — Art

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  59. in both cases the US-backed Takfiris lost and were defeated by government forces and in both cases the …….

    Dear Saker,

    Your comparison of Srebrenica and Alepo is again along the line of defending your ortodox serbian filthy race capable of only killing unarmed civilians without any discrimination to the age.
    Why is it that you do not want to face the facts:
    - bosnian serbs did started the rebelion and war in Bosnia against the legally elected government, therefore they are rebels, not government forces
    - the rebelled police and bosnian serb army did take active part on the whole of the Bosnia to commit a genocide acts against the civilian population of Bosniaks and bosnian Croats (how do they fit to your ‘takfiri’ narrative since they are catholic)
    - all of the political and military leadership of bosnian serbs is sentenced to hefty fines for war crimes, thus they are war criminals

    So since you are not able to grasp the facts straight from the start of your ‘analysis’ just makes me wonder who’s shill or troll are you?
    Just a waste of time and energy to read this crap named ‘analysis’.

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  60. This is ironic considering your entire shit country is in disarray. (USA)

    Do you dr00l when you type this crap?

    There is electricity in your keyboard.

    Perhaps you should wear a face guard – we do not want you to get hurt.

    You know, that bad things happen to bad people.

    Peace — Art

  61. Alawites, Shiites, Sunnis, Iranians and Hezbollah are killing each other off in Syria.

    Meanwhile, Israel’s economy is booming and it’s beefing up its military with F-35s and German submarines.

    Pretty galling, huh?

    Sherm

    PS – How’s the PORK and beans?

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  62. Obviously a peace offering to his zionist torturers,and irrelevant,as the ambassadors have all been neolibcons.
    Combats the antisemite garbage,and possibly a keep your enemy closer move.
    The Palestinians are at their nadir,wo one supporting power on their side.obviously a well spring of anti American hatred,and America first demands a solution.
    Does anyone really think the zionists will give up W Jerusalem,at the least?
    Methinks hopefully,Trump will make an offer both can’t refuse.

  63. Neocon point of view, if General Michael Flynn was bad, then Tillerson was truly an apocalyptic abomination:

    Do not get that – why is Flynn objectionable to the neocons?

    Flynn is a hard line nut on Iran.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Iran is a distraction – no way are the American people going to sanction another major war. No way does Trump want to sideline his domestic agenda. The Jew objective is Trump giving them Jerusalem.

  64. “Anyway, to The Saker’s point, the CIA was involved up to its eyeballs. I’d like to hear more about the theory that JFK’s “messing with the Fed” had something to do with this.”

    The best book I know of on the JFK assassination (well, it’s the only one I have read page for page and cover to cover, including detailed notes) is James Douglass’s extraordinary JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

    The assassination of JFK was definitely an “overdetermined” event. Many people and entities had a reason for wanting to get rid of him: the CIA, the MIC, those in the govt who wanted to ramp up the war in Vietnam (JFK wanted to end the Cold War). If the Fed was part of the mix, I am sure Douglass covers that (I read the book about 10 years ago so cannot recall all details). Very detailed reviews are also available on line, if one doesn’t have time to read the whole book or one’s local library system doesn’t have it. Actually, I have found it to be an interesting exercise to see which library systems have this book. Many large systems do not, while a number of relatively small systems have multiple copies.

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  65. >hanging gaggles of them…

    One can but hope.

  66. Hey “normie tier”

    Not a ill spelled…..an ill spelled….an before vowels
    Not a idiot…..an idiot.

  67. It’s been a long time since I’ve left a comment at Saker. Though I continue to read and lurk on occasion. Whilst some of Trumps picks seem troubling on the surface (aka Goldstein) I’ve been considering them in context of REALPOLITIK.

    The past 50+ years of US diplomacy vis-a-vis Israel-Palestine is a bust. There is NO two-state solution. Period. Given the lies, deception and zio-neo-con bullshit there will NEVER be one. But a one-state solution places everything in proper perspective. Including RIGHTS, FREEDOMS and ADVANTAGES from citizenship. Meaning. Israel has a MUCH harder job disenfranchising its citizens. And USG diplomacy MUST support and promote DIVERSITY within the nation of Israel. To protect ALL ethnic, racial and religious constructs. No different than in the USA. Or throughout the EU. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem makes total sense as a logical first step toward recognizing and defending EVERYONE in the region. Cuz Jerusalem is a DIVERSITY city.

    It’s time to stop playing zio-scum sleight-of-hand shell games.

  68. ” The use of “Neocon in this article is gibberish”, good observation, as I have noticed that this expression is splashed all over the place, and strangely enough by Dummköpfe who try to single out hawks in the BO admin as renegade Republicans, and to define them as Republicans who somehow managed to worm themselves into the Democrat ranks. It is all extremely wierd and twisted, to say the least.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society meber of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

  69. ” We thought he ( BO) was great and he turned out to be a disaster”.

    Speak for yourself.

    I knew he was full of dookey, as are all democrat politicians, before he was elected.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

  70. It’s really a replay of fomenting the Sino-Soviet split, which it was incredibly stupid of the Soviet side to fall for

    Difficult to avoid a split when the other party has a million and a half troops on your border, demands you admit that you stole their land, and is accepting overtures of friendship from your greatest rival, the United States. But you’re perhaps too young to remember all that.

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  71. Our most troublesome non White population, black Africans were brought in the 17th and 18th centuries when Catholicism was illegal in all colonies but for Pennsylvania.
    In the 1700s we had the largest black population ever, a bit more than 20 percent. S Carolina was about 50 percent black. The 1800 Washington DC census showed 900 permanent residents. 700 blacks, 200 Whites.
    The reason the founding stock is in such bad shape is because since colonial times the elites of the founding stock has gone all over the world in their search for cheap labor instead of hiring their own people.

    Consider the railroads. There were practical reasons why Chinese were brought in to build the Oakland Salt Lake City stretch of the trans continental railroad. But why was it necessary to bring in Irish immigrants to build the St Louis to Salt Lake City stretch? Why were most railroads east of the Mississippi built by Irish immigrants instead of founding stock native born Anericans? Why were the Chicago and Omaha stockyards and the Pennsylvania coal mines staffed exclusively by European immigrants instead of founding stock Americans

    It’s because the founding stock elite since the Africans arrived in 1619 prefer to hire cheap labor rather than their own people.

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  72. As can be seen, Donald Trump has many enemies. His election is associated with the plan of God, and therefore his enemies will not defeat him. Let me remind here a fragment of an ancient vision: “And [the king of the north] will go back (to) his land with great wealth [1945. This detail indicated that Hitler will attack also the Soviet Union and will fight to the bitter end. In the beginning there were no signs of such the ending of this war]; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant [hostility towards Christians. Soviet Union introduced state atheism]; and will act [it means activity in the international arena]; and turned back to his own land [1991-1993. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. Russian troops returned to their country]. At the appointed time [he] will return back.” (Daniel 11:28, 29a) The return of Russia in this context means the breakup of the European Union and NATO. Many countries of the former Eastern block will reconcile with Russia. Such is the plan of God. It is no coincidence that Barack Obama wins presidency in 2008 and 2012. God in this way has secured us against a premature world war. The first should be the return of Russia, and then the war, and not vice versa. (Daniel 11:29,30; Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4; cf. Jeremiah 1:12) The victory of Donald Trump also is not accidental. There is hope for improvement in Russian-American relations. The world will be safer, at least for a moment.

    In 1882 British troops occupied Egypt. Great Britain then took the role of “the king of the south”. Around the same time, Russia expanded its influence in the region, which previously belonged to Seleucus I Nicator, and took the role of “the king of the north”. (Daniel 11:27)

    All the details of this vision are being fulfilled from the time of ancient Persia, in chronological order. It is true that this vision is variously interpreted. As one can see, it has a lot of details. Therefore the insightful person is able to detect any error or sophistry. (Daniel 12:10)

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  73. Um, JFK was an aggressive cold warrior. The day he was inaugurated we had a bit more than 700 soldiers in Vietnam. They were not in combat, they trained the S Vietnamese to use the vast amounts of weapons we sold them.

    The day Kennedy died there were about American 40,000 troops in Vietnam, combat and support troops. Kennedy also sent troops to Laos and Cambodia.

    Whoever was behind Kennedy’s death didn’t do it because Kennedy planned to withdraw from Vietnam.

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  74. agreed that the Douglass book is very well researched, and IMO quite to the point. Another is called the Devil’s Chessboard which is basically about the Dullas brothers and the creation of the deep state. Allen Dullas was the CIA director fired by JFK after he realized the bay of pigs mess was calculated to either draw him into an invasion of Cuba, or totally embarrass him.

    The deal with the fed was about JFK wanting to do away with the FRNs and have the US treasury once again release it’s own (USG) currency backed with silver. JFK fought the deep state on many fronts, and paid the ultimate price. Trump is the first since him to even hint at some resistance, and I do hope he keeps a close eye one his back.

  75. Alawites, Shiites, Sunnis, Iranians and Hezbollah are killing each other off in Syria.

    Hey Sherm,

    How good you must feel – what pride you must have in your Big Jew tribal leaders – with all those people spilling their blood because of you!

    Do the Big Jews have special tours to the Golan – so you Little Jews can get a whiff of Arab blood? There is nothing like the smell of your neighbor’s blood to stiffen the tribal resolve. Clever, those Big Jews.

    Peace — Art

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    It’s Goldman Sachs Globalism vs nationalism.

    New Cold War is Gold War.

    And PC is Scold War.

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  77. Exactly there lies the mindset that we try to ignore but which explains current situation. Whites were employed like slave labor before slavery or basically put into work as indentured labors They revolted . Institutionalized slavery was born that targeted ethnicity based slavery splitting whites from blacks to destroy any unified opposition to indentured labor This also promoted more reliance on importing new labor . How did those whites do? They joined the master – tied to them by color religion and ethnicity . They felt hopeful empowered and confident but not much beyond that psychological gain. America is now exactly at the same juncture it was just before the independence rebellion .They unitedly could have worked against slavery .That could have allowed slow European style feuds, political turmoil,development of political and social changes . But America exported abroad its own intra -society wars inherent violence tension conflicts by maintaining the slavery . This time it is more rarefied and dignified and obscured but the cheap labor at home and abroad is nothing but the same tradition . America has a choice – empire gives up on it’s indentured slavery low wage labor based economy possession and exploitation or invent multiculturalism

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  78. You are correct that Obama’s step father Lolo Soetoro was an official of Mobil oil
    company in Indonesia (see Wikipedia). However, prior to this he was a Lt. Col. in the Indonesian National Armed Forces during the coup against President Sukarno and the subsequent ethnic genocide against ethnic chinese. He was one of Suharto’s top coup planners:

    http://www.occurrencesforeigndomestic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Madsen-on-Obamas-stepfather-CIA-boss.pdf

    The above link also points out additional details, such as:
    (1) Soetoro’s CIA liaison, Robert F. Grealy
    (2) Ann Dunham Obama/Soetoro worked for the USAID program which was actually a CIA recruitment operation.

    According to another article, Ann Dunham Obama/Soetoro was a CIA agent “trained to profile the villagers throughout Indonesia, to sort of mark them as “loyal” or “disloyal,” and then her husband would go and get rid of them.”:

    https://seniorcitizenspublicsquare.com/tag/global-tyranny-lolo-soetoro-indonesian-genocide/

  79. Um Alden, I am not a dope, so please drop the “um [you are stupid]” trope.
    Why don’t you read the book and find out what was actually going on, and what Kennedy was planning, in 1963 as opposed to 1960, when he was elected.
    You can read a number of detailed chapters on the doings of Kennedy’s ambassador in VN, Henry Cabot Lodge, and what he was up to.
    Kennedy and Khrushchev both wanted to end the Cold War.
    This is richly documented.
    Kennedy also wanted to reach a modus vivendi with Castro.
    This, too, is richly documented.
    So drop the lame “um [you are stupid]” business and educate yourself.
    You can start here:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/jfk-university/

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  80. KA

    I want to live in a majority White Nation….that’s all I care about. You obviously support a legal immigration policy that will result in the demographic extermination of The Historic Native Born White American Majority across thevUS….Of course, I oppose this.

    The larger point:Why should The Historic Native Born White American Majority suppport post-1965 race-replacement legal immigration policy? Answer:there is no reason why they should. Therefore, why is the Democratic Party Voting Bloc shocked that The Historic Native Born White America Majority on Nov 8 2016 revolted against the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and post-1965 race-replacement legal immigration policy?

    The Majority nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc doesn’t get to define the terms of “debate”

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    ‘Jewish power’ in the US and Israel is experiencing a transformational American President regarding ‘Jewish power’

    Obama’s Transformative Effects on Jewish Power in the US and Israel include- stopping Bibi’s in motion attack on Iran in Sept/Oct 2012, stopping Bibi’s Putsch against the US over the Iran Deal, and now, stopping Israeli Annexation of Palestine with the Palestine Annexation Law being passed in the Knesset

    What the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel is going to do is STOPPING Jewish power in Israel and beginning the rolling back and dismantling of the Apartheid

    Zionism as practiced by it’s Israeli enthusiasts (and they’ve got bells on their toes these days) is Kahanism and Apartheid, and Apartheid is a crime against humanity according to the UN, Geneva, and all international law.

    I want Peter Beinart, Jeffrey Goldberg, David Brooks, Tom Friedman, and the REST of the punditocracy on the record regarding the Palestine Annexation Law passing in the Knesset and the UN Sec Co Resolution against Apartheid Israel – preferably sooner rather than later before they begin extensively coordinating their stories. I want them thinking on their feet, in the midst of the shock and awe

    The Zeitgeist is against Apartheid Israel and the Israel Lobby supporting it.

    The time is ripe for the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel – the time is ripe for dismantling the Apartheid that will flow from this, as well – these are existential transformational events taking place for Jewish power in the US and Israel.

    Barack Obama is going to be known as a Transformational American President primarily for the Successful 2nd American Revolution of 4-2-15 (The Iran Nuclear Deal Framework) which he has led. And it had everything to do with ‘real Jewish power’ rather than stereotypes

    It’s a Club of 2 – George and Barack, sorry Abe….

    OK that doesn’t sound quite right – let’s call it the big three: ‘George, Barack, and Abe’

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  82. Kennedy did not want to end the Cold War. That’s the Oliver Stone JFK White Knight Fairy Tale.

    JFK was a true believer-hard core-Cold Warrior who went on to order the creation of the Death Squad known as the Green Berets….topped off with a side order of another terrorist attack on the Cuban Civilian Population after the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis…..JFK gave the order.

    JFK was a War Criminal who should have been hanged by the neck with rusty barbed-wire…..

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    ‘The End of Political Judaism and 1P1V1S’

    WHEN: Saturday Dec 17 2016, 2:00 – 3:15 pm
    WHERE: Otay Branch San Diego Public Library,
    3003 Coronado Ave, San Diego, Ca 92154
    WHO: Dr Lance Dale

    Topics:

    ‘Welcome to Apartheid Israel’ – Tzipi Livni Nov 16, 2016
    Livni’s surrender of 1- retained Settlement Blocs, 2- the Wall, and 3- ending of Palestinian Right of Return

    [MORE]

    Obama’s Greenlighting of the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel triggered by the Palestine Annexation Law/(Amona)

    The 3 Existential Events (seen as such by Israel itself) for the Collapse of Israeli Apartheid:
    The Iran Nuclear Deal, UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel, and the ICC

    ‘The 3rd Israeli Generals Revolt (CIS) vs Bibi and the Settlers’
    -The Commanders for Israeli Security (CIS)

    ‘The Diskin/CIS UN Chapter 7 Plan and the Dismantling of Israeli Apartheid’

    The Israeli Civil War:
    ‘Obama and the CIS vs Bibi, Adelson and the Settlers’

    ‘1P1V1S (-One Person One Vote One State) replacing Apartheid’
    -Marwan Barghouti and 1P1V1S from Shining River to Shining Sea

    Political Judaism and Kahanism in Israel and the US – Settlers, the Kahanist Alt Right, and the Israeli Lobby/Jewish Lobby’s Islamophobia cottage industry

    The Successful 2nd American Revolution of 4-2-15 and the Iran Nuclear Deal’

    ‘How the Israeli/Israeli Lobby ‘Clean Break Dream’ perished in Aleppo’

    Q and A after talk…

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    did German, French, Italians use slave labor to build roads, railways, dig ditches? wasn’t that part of hitler’s economic miracle — that german men were used as ‘slave labor’ but it was given dignity? who picks up the garbage in W, N and Central Europe?

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  85. Your chronology–or is it your memory?– is a bit off and conflates many different events.

    Khrushchev’s De-Stalinization efforts began in 1956 and were one of the causes of the split. He visited the US in 1959 and talked peaceful coexistence, which was also a key cause.

    What had been a secret disagreement became the public split in 1960 and continued through the US war in Vietnam, which the Soviets supported aggressively and the Chinese passively acquiesced to, for obvious reasons.

    In 1960 the Soviets pulled all Russsian personnel of China by the way, to the dismay of enormous numbers of scientists and others in various schools who were by that time fluent in Russian and valued Soviet mathematics instructors, engineers and other experts there.

    The Border Conflict was in 1969, but both sides had been building up troops on the border previously to that.

    The Nixon visit was 1972.

    This just scratches the surface.

    The grave error was Khrushchev’s and was continued by the imbecilic Brezhnev–who was, in truth, the first “Stalinist” but whom Stalin himself would rightly have eliminated one way or another long before he had a chance at worming his way to leadership.

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  86. all of the political and military leadership of bosnian serbs is sentenced to hefty fines for war crimes

    You must have been getting some hefty traffic infringement fines, better learn to drive that vehicle of yours better.

    Bosnian Serbs started a rebellion against “a legally elected government” of Bosnia because it wanted to secede from Yugoslavia without a referendum, secession which was against the constitution of Yugoslavia. Also, Bosnian Muslim paramilitaries attacked the retreating Yugoslav Army from which the Muslims deserted and killed many young Serbian draftees. Finally, the Muslim paramilitaries attacked a Serbian wedding party and killed the bride and the groom, their parrents and other guests. This was the final trigger for the civil war in Bosnia.

    One interesting fact that Izetbegivic’s Muslims and their Western sponsors were hiding in their sewage MSM throughout this civil war was that a large population of secular Muslims in Western Bosnia were fighting together with the Serbs against the alliance of Izetbegivic’s religious and political extremists and Catholic Croats. Therefore, both were relatively strange alliances: Othodox Serbs and secular Muslims against the Catholic Croats and radical Muslims. Again, a great parallel with Syria, where Assad’s people are secular Muslims, whilst the West supports Sunni Muslim extremists (Takfiris).

    Finally, there is no doubt that if Russia had no nuclear weapons, the Russians would also be “sentenced to hefty fines for war crimes” in Syria by the Western sponsors of civil wars and terrorism.

    If Trump does not survive the US own regime change or does not put a stop to this nutty policy of regime change, I would expect the same model for civil war and terrorism to be applied in the Chinese Xin Jiang province populated by Sunni Muslims.

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  87. The Fed, or rather the owners of the Fed ALWAYS react promptly and deal very severely to anything or anyone that threatens their hold, yes hold, over “free” America. Counterfeiters and certainly currency renegades get sorted with harsh sentences or death almost without exception. Saddam and Moammar to name a couple of more recent ones.

    Orders came from the very top for the JFK hit since, who had the means to change the parade route at such a late stage? Who had the authority to pull the SS men from mounting and running alongside the Lincoln? Who was able to restrain and redirect the crowds while the assassination teams made their escape? And who was broadcasting the fake Oswald narrative long before any cursory investigation could have taken place? (investigators would have learned from witnesses who placed LHO calmly leaning on the drink machine in the cafeteria while drinking a coke at the time of the shootings, several floors below where it is said he was). Who could control the autopsy, even to the point of Texan police being threatened? Who could control the investigation to the point that it resulted in the farcical, illogical and impossible conclusions of the Warren Commission? Not the mob, not the Cubans nor even contractors for the MIC (though operators from all could have been involved in a manner of creating plausible deniability). The top.

    I believe there were three shooters forming a triangulation of fire. One possibly on the roof of the schoolbook depository, one on the grassy knoll and a third either on the bridge or in the culvert near the overpass (where the motorcycle officers radio was stuck on transmit).

    This certainly was no independent renegade operation and because it was not addressed now the cancer has spread.

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  88. I would almost hope you work creating advertising or, better still, PR concepts. You definitely have a knack. I wish you use an identifiable identity (handle) here, as I do everyone else too.

  89. Wouldn’t you agree that barbed wire fashioned from sterile surgical steel would not be more fitting for one titled as president? And that this small compromise on your part would do much to uphold the image and dignity of the USA?

  90. Kennedy was a Cold Warrior, no doubt and quite acceptable to the Military Industrial Complex.

    War criminal–probably but not to the extent of Clinton, Bush the younger, Obama, etc.

    However, the Green Berets, who were Kennedy’s creation, indirectly suggested by Diem, did not begin as “Death Squads”–in concept at least.

  91. True, JFK was a hard line cold warrior when elected, but by the time he was murdered he had had a change of heart. Look up his speech at American University commencement in June, 1963. His plan at the time he died was to withdraw from Vietnam after he was reelected.

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  92. Russia’s GDP is 60% of that of the state of California.

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  93. “JFK was a true believer-hard core-Cold Warrior who went on to order the creation of the Death Squad known as the Green Berets…”

    Wrong.
    Kennedy did not create the Special Forces known as the Green Berets.
    I’ll leave it at that.

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  94. Yes, but your forget W and Obama….talk about mind control zombies…

  95. As I said earlier, the best source I know of on this is JFK and the Unspeakable.

    See also:

    http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/13-documents-you-should-read-about-the-jfk-assassination/Content?oid=3192028

    NSAM 263: Getting out of Vietnam — On Oct. 11, 1963, Kennedy signed National Security Action Memorandum 263. This ordered a withdrawal of 1,000 troops out of roughly 16,000 Americans stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1963, with the complete withdrawal by the end of 1965.

    NSAM 273: Mysterious timing — Signed on Nov. 26, 1963, this was the first National Security Action Memorandum on Vietnam under President Lyndon Johnson. NSAM 273 effectively overturned Kennedy’s NSAM 263 and ordered the planning of increased activity in Vietnam. The memorandum also authorized open-ended covert operations against North Vietnam. This, in turn, led to the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which President Johnson used to obtain congressional authorization for a drastic escalation of the war. The draft of NSAM 273 was dated Nov. 21, 1963, the day before the assassination; however, Kennedy had not ordered its creation and did not see it. Newly sworn-in President Johnson signed 273 on Nov. 26, the day after Kennedy was buried.

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  96. Awesome article, as always, Saker. I disagree only in that the Bush Sr and Jr will be seen as worst presidents ever. No family has cost the American people more in money, lives and their futures except Wilson saddling America with the “Federal Reserve” and WW 1, which turned quickly into WW 2. Reagan is another choice but essentially that was all a Bush Sr admin. Obama only comes on the worst list by having done Bush Sr/Bush Jr’s bidding while only increasing all their illegal, immoral, evil and unconstitutional policies.

  97. Kennedy apparently had plans to keep the Vietnam War low-level, which he discussed with Diem. In fact Diem apparently advised Kennedy that the introduction of large numbers of US troops into the countryside, especially. would be a disaster. Diem also seems to have wanted at some point air and naval support for an ARVN invasion of the North, with US advisers only.

    Kennedy’s last position on Vietnam was probably exactly what Johnson ran on in 1964:

    “In Asia we face an ambitious and aggressive China, but we have the will and we have the strength to help our Asian friends resist that ambition. Sometimes our folks get a little impatient. Sometimes they rattle their rockets some, and they bluff about their bombs. But we are not about to send American boys 9 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.

    President Eisenhower said in 1954 to the Government of Viet-Nam, “President Diem, we want to help you help yourselves. We will give you advice, we will provide leadership, we will help you with material things, with your weapons and the things that you do not have, to protect your independence because we are so proud of our independence we would like for you to have independence, too, and not be swallowed up by the Communists.” (LBJ)

    Plus the Green Berets were clearly meant to be in the new theater–that’s exactly why they were founded.

    One is not acquainted with any remark by Kennedy himself or any of his advisers through, say, 1964, that he wanted to “withdraw” from Vietnam in any literal sense.

    By the way, there were around 16,000 US troops in Vietnam, all branches and including advisers, when Kennedy was killed, not the larger figure that a poster here keeps alluding to.

    Perhaps Kennedy wanted to withdraw some of them.

    In later years the whole narrative changed on the part of various of Kennedy’s appointees but if there are any sources before 1964 one would be interested in seeing them. Later ones not.

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  98. The EU is #2 not Russia. Economically its #1. It overmatches the US in population. The various parts pack a lot more conventional military power than Russia. Britain, France and Spain have enormous soft power. The EU lacks the incentive and apparatus to use its advantages but give it a decade now the reform process has started.

    From an American point of view there has been a major success in Ukraine. It is currently denied to both Russia and the EU. Ukraine could have made the EEU a real 2nd division player. EU with the Ukraine could overwhelm the US economically and politically. EU with Russia, blocked by use of NATO and Russian nationalists in the late 1990′s and early 2000′s even more so.

  99. The grave error was Khrushchev’s

    That’s your view.

    In fact, the Chinese who were, and are, vastly more numerous than the Russians and who had grievances to settle with the Russians, as they still do, tired of playing a subordinate role to Russia’s seedy oligarchy. Whether Khrushchev continued in the Mao/Stalinist tradition of murdering vast numbers of his own citizens to no good purpose was irrelevant.

    The attitude of the Chinese to Russia is well illustrated by events during Khrushchev’s 1958 visit to China when Mao insisted on a meeting in the swimming pool, even though Khrushchev couldn’t swim: he was compelled to flounder around with water wings, until humiliated beyond toleration he climbed out and continued the conversation seated on the edge of the pool.

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  100. “Fearing the growing threat of the Viet Cong insurgency to the Vietnamese government, President John F. Kennedy began activating special forces units in anticipation of their insurgency combat expertise in 1961. The 5th Special Forces Group was among those units activated in 1961, and while attending training at the Special Warfare Center, Kennedy visited the units and personally approved the distinctive Special Force’s Green Beret.”

    wiki

    You are confusing all Special Forces Groups with the Special Forces that were the “Green Berets”, trained and reorganized especially for Vietnam.

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  101. JFK Truther-Worshipping denialism on full display. The fact that JFK was a hardcore Cold Warrior is a very fatal wound to the JFK worship-iconography-sewage.

  102. “In 1956 General Paul D. Adams, the post commander at Fort Bragg, banned its [green beret] wear, even though it was worn surreptitiously when deployed overseas. This was reversed on 25 September 1961 by Department of the Army Message 578636, which designated the green beret as the exclusive headdress of the Army Special Forces.

    When visiting the Special Forces at Fort Bragg on 12 October 1961, President John F. Kennedy asked Brigadier General William P. Yarborough to make sure that the men under his command wore green berets for the visit. Later that day, Kennedy sent a memorandum which included the line: “I am sure that the green beret will be a mark of distinction in the trying times ahead.” By America’s entry into the Vietnam War, the green beret had become a symbol of excellence throughout the US Army. On April 11, 1962 in a White House memorandum to the United States Army, President Kennedy reiterated his view: “The green beret is a symbol of excellence, a badge of courage, a mark of distinction in the fight for freedom.” To no avail, both Yarborough and Edson Raff had previously petitioned the Pentagon to allow wearing of the green beret. The President, however, did not fail them.”

    wiki

  103. There are clear signs that the Neocons running the AngloZionist Empire and its “deep state” are in a state of near panic

    For reasons that are fairly obvious.

    For 16 years the Neocons have pursued the idea of containing China by breaking Russia apart, setting up Poroshenkite puppets in various former Russian territories, said puppets having responsibility to aid in the looting of Russia’s mineral’s, energy and agricultural lands, while approving the installation of US military bases along China’s Northern border.

    The destruction of the Ukraine was a preliminary to the destruction of Russia, which yielded reasonably satisfactory results. No major expense and everything in the Ukraine for sale at a bargains basement price.

    But when it comes to pursuing the mission, Trump’s party are not so crazy. They don’t believe Russia can be busted up by promoting queers, Pussy Riot or the liberal fifth column, and they don’t believe all out war with Russia is a sane alternative.

    Instead, they want to draw a greatly weakened Russia into the Euro-American alliance, a proposal that naturally appeals to the Russians since it would insure their national integrity, while freeing them from the necessity of submitting to additional hard bargains with China over energy and the sale of their most advanced military technology.

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  104. I don’t think I am “confusing” anything, but I guess it depends on one’s interpretation.
    Per Wikipedia, also quoted by you, the actual green berets as headgear were adopted in ca. 1954. JFK created some special units. But they all wore green berets from the start.
    But this is a side stream of the main point.
    IMO the main point is that JFK planned to wind down the American presence in Vietnam and put it in writing.

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  105. Oh, was that where Khrushchev got the idea to challenge Dean Rusk to a friendly game of badminton, jeje?

  106. No disagreement–depends on what aspect you are alluding to, which is the source of the confusion.

  107. Certainly Kennedy was not interested in a US ground war in Vietnam, after Eisenhower. Nor was Diem for that matter. But that is why one brought up Johnson’s speech, which was probably Kennedy’s position.

  108. Instead, they want to draw a greatly weakened Russia into the Euro-American alliance, a proposal that naturally appeals to the Russians since it would insure their national integrity, while freeing them from the necessity of submitting to additional hard bargains with China over energy and the sale of their most advanced military technology.

    Hmm – not knowing much about this – this is one of the few statements on this subject that makes sense.

    Peace — Art

  109. The “neocons” (i.e., bloodthirsty, communist, devil-worshiping, demon-possessed, Jewish-supremacist madmen) can be decisively put down. The way to do it is to conduct a real investigation into the events of 9/11.

    But here’s the thing: Even if they can somehow stop Trump; even if they can prevent a real investigation into 9/11, their dreams of world domination and control are already trashed.

    They’re finished; they lost; they’ve been irreparably damaged; they’ve been exposed; they’ve been weakened; and their cause – the forcible imposition of the Satanic, messianic, Judeo-communist “New World Order” on the whole planet – is beyond hopeless.

    And their desperation is palpable. They’re still riding the tiger, but they’re slipping off, fast.
    And he who rides a tiger can never dismount, lest he be mauled to death. So they seem to have two choices: (1) fall off or dismount and be mauled to death; or, (2) ride the tiger off the nearest cliff (or at least try to).

    I believe they will go for the second option, perhaps by starting WW3, thereby taking as much of the world as they can down with them.

    The Jew, just like any other creature, does what it’s in its nature to do, and the nature of the Jew is to destroy.

    “We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. NOTHING that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy, because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build.” (Maurice Samuel, “You Gentiles” p.155)

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  110. Incidentally, Eisenhower coined “domino theory” in regard to the pending fall of the French in Vietnam but at the same time absolutely prohibited any plan of sending ground troops.

    Later on the “domino theory” was invoked to mean that all of Indochina would fall to China if South Vietnam fell to the Viet Cong and North Vietnam.

    But Eisenhower was probably thinking more along the lines of the Soviets, who were still considered to be director behind the Communist Chinese.

    That second use of the phaase was complete nonsense considering the hostility between the Vietnamese and the Chinese, even when both Communist.

    About 1968 in response to a question about the domino theory one said–”You know the first war the Chinese will fight if South Vietnam falls to North Vietnam–Vietnam!”

    One was considered a lunatic at the time but that is how it worked out, for both obvious and not so obvious reasons as anyone who knew the history of the area could see.

  111. If the wages already enjoyed by “their own people” prevented them going off to build the railroads isn’t that a good thing?

    Those who can hire will exploit or import (or export to) whatever labor pool they can. I don’t think market forces afford much opportunity to be ethically choosy, if that were even a consideration on the part of such operators.

    In broader social terms, some sense of unity in whites is needed to fight modern liberalism, feminism, and low reproductive rates. White people have forcibly marched us down the progressive path and only their kin will lead the way back to sanity. It is the Utopian dream of liberals to split whites as often and as deeply as possible and I wonder if a distinction like “European immigrants” vs. “founding stock Americans” is helpful except as an historic reference.

  112. I read Douglass’ excellent book and don’t dispute anything that you’ve written however, getting the US deeper into a conflict is not very difficult by way of a false flag attack as has been proven before many times.

    Messing with Big International Banking or its enforcement arm the CIA is a much riskier and much more rare occurrence which is why I think that under Morgan’s Law (two reasons for everything, a good reason and the real reason) the real reason for the assassination was his challenging the Fed and the CIA.

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    interesting paper on the British experience with Jewish terrorists in Mandate Palestine

    Zionist Terrorism and Imperial Response British Policies towards Jewish Resistance in Palestine

    “Another fault was the fact that there were only a handful of people in the CID who spoke Hebrew. The police therefore were dependent on Jewish staff, a grave leakage of security. For that reason, the terrorists [Jews] always had an informational advantage, whereas British intelligence services barely managed to infiltrate the Jewish organisations. The Empire could only react; the underground was always one step ahead. In this respect, the only initiative was the establishment of the special units. By adopting Irgun- and Lehi-like methods, they eliminated several terrorists without any trial. For the Empire’s prestige, such a proceeding was not tolerable in the long run.

    and

    Against the Arabs, the British forces had carried out their missions rather unemotionally because the single soldier had not been personally afflicted. The Jewish terrorists, on the other hand, knew how to emotionalise their warfare. Their targeted assassinations and the ambushes on military staff brought the army to its limits. The fact that highly disciplined British soldiers and policemen repeatedly lost their temper and beat up innocent Jews in the streets of Tel Aviv shows the success of the terrorists’ policy. Moreover, the terrorists paid the British out in their own coin. The common British practice of flogging criminals may serve as an example. By the Yishuv, this punishment was considered as a Nazi method humiliating the Jewish people and increased the hatred towards the British.264 Several times, the Irgun thus kidnapped British soldiers and civilians, and released them shortly after. In the meantime, they had been flogged in revenge.
    However, the British also brought emotion into the conflicts since they adhered to the policy of torture, deportation, and hanging. All of these measures had already proven effective against the Arabs. In case of the Jewish insurgency, they led to a radicalisation of the right-wing underground. A British inspector, a known torturer, was shot in Jerusalem in October 1946. The URM stated that he had been executed because of maltreatment, torture and persecution of Jews. The two sergeants hanged by the Irgun in summer 1947 were murdered due to similar accusations.

    Thus, the British soldiers found themselves in a difficult situation. Sent to Palestine in order to secure the country, they were called murderers and had to fear for their lives every single day. On the other hand, they were not allowed to retaliate. Consequently, they started to question their mission in the Holy Land. The British press and public did the same. On the one hand, people did not understand why young British soldiers died in a far away land, obviously without any reason. In addition, the enormous costs made a continuation of the Mandate increasingly unpopular. The imperial burden had become too heavy, at least for the British presence in Palestine. Great Britain lost her faith; the terrorists did not.

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  114. My Latin master was the Senior British Sargeant in Ramallah during the closing years of the Mandate. He complained that he regularly locked up members of the Stern Gang for murdering Palestinian civilians in cold blood, only to be told to release them a few days later. He was of the opinion that the request for release came from the US. This was another element of frustration for the Palestinian Police. Police, at the end of the day, have a mission to protect. When this is denied to them, they don’t feel good about it.

  115. You discus this really interesting issue – what would Russia do under a non-confrontational approach by the West, supposedly espoused by Trump. I do agree with your conclusion about what the Ziocons want – dismemberment of Russia and pillaging of resources. However, I do not agree with your statements about Trump’s approach.

    Firstly, you cannot “greatly weaken” Russia. The only way Russia could enter the Western alliance is based on respect, not on relative power.

    Secondly, the schism between Russia and the West is much deeper than just the issues of Ukraine and Syria. There are fundamental spiritual and moral differences between Russia and the West. In other words, Russia would only want unhindered trade with the West, not membership of any Western political alliance. Russia is nationalistic, Christian and traditional, the West is post-modern, decadent, hypocritical and globalist (wants to rule and exploit the global village). I can see a better match between China and Russia than between the West and Russia.

    In conclusion, if Trump reduces military pressure on Russia and increases pressure on China, as many expect, this will not result in Russia joining the Western alliance, at least not Putin’s Russia. Ordinary Russians consider themselves European and they do not want confrontation with the West. But, Russia and the West are natural enemies due to ireconsilable mental differences. Russia could be friends only with the red states of US if the blue states seceded as they were threatening, with Le Pen’s France, Farage’s UK and so on.

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  116. The author seems to have fallen into the oldest of traps vis a vis Iran, namely “the enemy of my enemy is my friend. As heartless dispicable and bloodthirsty as the Sunni jihadists are the Shia Iranians are nothing but the opposite side of the same coin and would just as soon slit Trump’s or anyone’s throat as soon as they had finished using them for their purposes. Better to turn the Sunnis and Shias against each other and weaken the political strutures of the tyrants on both sides. The blood feud between them is no different than that between the Stalinists and Hitlerites of the last century. In the end though Hitler was defeated the Stalinists proved to be nothing more than fascists in rhetorical disguise. Trump would be wise to recall T.E. Lawrence’s conclusion after a decade of trying to help the Muslims achieve civilized self rule. They were and always will remain tribalists for who the concepts of Western Civilization are as foreign as if they came from Mars.

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  117. Firstly, you cannot “greatly weaken” Russia. The only way Russia could enter the Western alliance is based on respect, not on relative power.

    Kiza,

    I did not say that the US should seek to weaken Russia. I said that the Trump party “want to draw a greatly weakened Russia into the Euro-American alliance.” By “greatly weakened”, I meant in relative terms, i.e., compared with the days of the Soviet Union at the height of its power. I believe that a Trump administration will seek closer ties with Russia to counter the influence of a greatly strengthened China, i.e., as a balance of power maneuver.

    I don’t disagree with you about the difference in values between Russia and the West today, although my knowledge of Russian values are based solely on a knowledge of the values that Russia projects in statements by the Russian political leadership and by what it published in Russian-based English-language media. And on that basis, I don’t see so much real cultural or religious difference between the Trump party, which has a large Christian component, and the party of Putin’s supporters in Russia.

    I don’t buy the idea of a fundamental incompatibility between Russia and the West. Certainly the Russians will reject insolent interference in their cultural affairs such as attempted by the Obama administration. But such stupendous arrogance and stupidity will surely not to be repeated. I believe shared interests between the Western nations and Russia are greater than any differences that need come between them in the coming years. Moreover, its likely that the liberal tide is now receding. The excesses and stupidities of the liberal party and the colossal social damage liberalism has done to Western society are now plain for all to see. Liberals, I suspect, in the years to come, will increasingly be recognized for the decadent, degenerate destroyers of the West that they have become.

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  118. Russia’s GDP is 60% of that of the state of California.

    You forgot the word “nominal”.
    GDP is a highly flawed measure of economic activity, esp if it doesn’t account for currency differences (adjusting for PPP). When adjusted for that, Russia is the world’s 6th largest economy, and inverts your statement. Namely, California is 60% of Russia’s PPP adjusted GDP.

    There’s a couple of other points…
    - Most of Russia’s economy, like most of China’s, happens “off the books” so that the GDP numbers are a doubly poor measure of what is actually going on.
    - Then there’s the difference between the “real” economy, and F.I.R.E., where no value is created but the numbers are big. No wealth, but lots of GDP, is created by flipping houses, bonds and stocks. Both the Russian and Chinese economies are skewed to the “real” side, while America’s real economy has been shrinking for a long time.

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  119. Russian is Christian! The Jewish Bolshevik Communists could not kill them all off and the Christians have arisen once again. Putin is devout and under his tenure, 28,000 news Orthodox Churches have been built. This, and his stopping of the looting of the economy, are why we in the west are brain washed into hating Putin.

  120. peace art

    the bait is poor quality.el feke.

  121. hi anon

    all the dates and so called talks and links are fake and fakenews.

    nice try anyway

  122. jewish power must be stopped says anon.

    no anon the west bank will be annexed because no other alternative has been put forth.gaza will become part of the egyptian sinai because no other alternative has been put forth.

    you support the arab people but you will not live amongst them…try it you may like it.they await you in the casbah of your dreams

  123. The following is from an article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in Rolling Stone magazine, November, 2013

    “By the summer of 1963, JFK was quietly telling trusted friends and advisers he intended to get out following the 1964 election. These included Rep. Tip O’Neill, McNamara, National Security adviser McGeorge Bundy, Sen. Wayne Morse, Washington columnist Charles Bartlett, Canadian Prime Minister Lester Pearson, confidant Larry Newman, Gen. Taylor and Marine Commandant Gen. David M. Shoup, who, besides Taylor, was the only other member of the Joint Chiefs that JFK trusted. Both McNamara and Bundy acknowledged in their respective memoirs that JFK meant to get out – which were jarring admissions against self-interest, since these two would remain in the Johnson administration and orchestrate the war’s escalation.

    That spring, JFK had told Montana Sen. Mike Mansfield, who would become the Vietnam War’s most outspoken Senate critic, “I can’t do it until 1965, after I’m re-elected.” Later that day, he explained to Kenneth O’Donnell, “If I tried to pull out completely from Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy Red scare on our hands, but I can do it after I’m re-elected.””

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  124. ..it’s likely that the liberal tide is now receding…

    I could not hope more that you are right about this. Naturally, if Trump manages to dodge all the political and physical bullets aimed at him. I do not know of any statesman in the World who is a better candidate for a “lone-patriotic-shooter’s” bullet or a jet failure then Trump.

    Also you are too optimistic about your fellow Americans:

    …The excesses and stupidities of the liberal party and the colossal social damage liberalism has done to Western society are now plain for all to see

    Trump’s America and Russia could be sincere friends, but such possibility is a very, very long leap of faith, due to hundreds of possible false-flag options and several possibilities of terminating Trump.

  125. I believe shared interests between the Western nations and Russia are greater than any differences that need come between them in the coming years.

    Israel, the CIA, and China are the most dangerous entities on the planet. None are interested in world peace.

    The US and Russia getting together would crush the aspirations of all three. This is a great idea – Russia is European, Russia is Christian, Russia has natural assets – Russia produces great technical minds – this is a natural fit.

    Getting Tillerson through the senate will be difficult – I think it will tell if Trump has the political power to succeed in the next four years.

    Peace — Art

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  126. Booties derived from Colonialism produced such a wonder that it distorted the theology of capitalism and Germans and Italy were worried that they would not be able to measure up to the glory and storied existential experiences of France and Britain and Belgium and they tried but all the lands were already were taken Italy tried Ethiopia and got deeper into Libya. Germany faced strong resistance open and hidden form US and UK in it’s attempt to capture market in ME .
    So they went back to the drawing board and did what all human do – plain hard labor,building community at home and spreading economic success among the stakeholders who have contributed to it .

    But why some “Native born White European ” of 19th century or 20 th cnetury – will agree to this normative when half of the word is under the suzerainty of British empire and America getting Anglicized by Britain.? To me WW1 and WW2 are continuation of the same efforts to rebuff those challenges arising out of Europe where people were trying through industrialization , socialism and collectivization, or ultra nationalism to get free from the Anglo sphere , to get a footing , to make life better for its own people with good intention and sometimes with some nasty equipment .

    Slavery as practiced in US were already gone from Europe .Slavery is not need to build. Is China building on slavery? Is S Korea ? We may not like what they do with labors and workers . Dignity is a unique attribute of human psychological need and meaningful on individual level If a society is strongly collectivized ,I mean harmoniously interconnected and glued together then it will have impact on the society Otherwise not much .On the other hand a lack of interconnection ,harmony,fellow attachment might have been the result of the factors that might have robbed the citizen of individual dignity . It is complex.

    I wonder why people find dignity in welfare check but not in working as janitor or construction work . I don’t wonder when I look into the system that nurtures it by restricting basic human needs.values ,by imposing newfangled values through brute legal forces ,by distorting economy, discriminating on racial lines ,dehumanizing foreigners living in foreign countries eking out a livelihood on few dollars a day and then the glory is offered at the alter of corrupted politicians and corporations or on military men .

  127. Great link…… thank you.

    Primary historical references are the only way to get the truth and in this case, there’s no question who the “terrorists” were (and still are).

    “I was there and this is what I saw” accounts like this ring clear as a bell, even through the deafening noise levels of today’s discourse on the “zionist question”.

  128. Son what is it that you are on? I have never seen such a inversion of facts and fantasy so do not want to waste my keyboard any more.
    Bosnian serbs made genocide against other bosnian people. Fact: terorist and genocidal entity named “Republika Srpska” is above Rwanda in discovered secondary mass graves where non-serbs civilians (from age of 1 week further) have been buried after ‘serb heroes’ executed them.
    Referendum in Republic of BiH was citizens referendum, constitutional and after world recognized independent Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. serb leadershit decided they do not like it so they started rebelion, supported by Jugoslavian Army …..

    So if you do not want to look at the facts go back to what you are on …..

  129. Well, the Germans don’t need submarines any more, they’re un-Islamic.

  130. Irish and Germans and Poles and Italians ARE “your own people”, properly understood.

    All white European-descended people and closely related peoples — including southern and Eastern Europe and the Baltics — need to stick together if they are to survive and thrive.

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  131. You clown….Robert F Kennedy JR is the curator of the JFK iconography machine.

    Here are the real facts about the Irish cockroach JFK:

    1)JFK instigated the Cuban Missile Crisis…brought us to within 60 seconds of thermonuclear war

    2)JFK escalated the Vietnam War

    3)JFK was making the case for demographically transforming the US via changing the National Origins policy of the US

    4)The 1965 nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act was cockroach reprobate Teddy’s permanent monument of demographic extermination to his late brother the Irish cockroach reprobate JFK.

    Take down your JFK pinup boy poster from your bedroom wall!!!…What vital bodily fluid did you use to glue your JFK pinup boy poster to the wall with?

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  132. Israel, the CIA, and China are the most dangerous entities on the planet.

    Lol wut? Why is China on the list?

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  133. …Rex Tillerson as his Secretary of Defense.

    He’s being nominated as Secretary of State. The fact that Putin feted the man is irrelevant. To get along in the international oil business, one would have to get along with the Russians, which means Putin.

    “these are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction”.

    And, mirabile dictu, they were right. CIA gets things right now and again.

    but then again Trump is already very much at risk anyway, so he might as well strike first.

    Yep! And I expect the deep state to try to kill Trump. Few realize that the major reason JFK was killed is that he was going to withdraw everyone from Vietnam. Trump is in the same danger, for similar reasons.

    Aleppo was completely liberated

    Not yet, but it is now inevitable. I would dispute the term “liberated” however. No one is liberated when tyrants take over.

    But if Trump delivers on his promise to AIPAC and the rest of the Israel Lobby gang to continue to antagonize and threaten Iran, the US can basically forget any hopes of defeating Daesh in Iraq.

    This will depend upon the rules of engagement, particularly if US forces are involved. Much of the trouble US troops have had in the Sandbox was the ROE imposed by the idiots in DC. If proper ROE are in place, it won’t take long to get ISIS out of Mosul, or to destroy them.

    had to eat humble pie when it was the US navy’s most expensive and newest destroyer, the USS Zumwalt, which broke down in the Panama canal and had to be immobilzed, while the Kuznetsov continued to do a very good job supporting Russian operations in Syria.

    Ship building has become a sore point in the US Navy, and for good reason. LCS has been a boondoggle. The LPD 17 class, ditto. I knew about the breakdown of Zumwalt, but don’t know the cause yet, but I don’t care for the implications.

    OTOH, Kuznetsov has been a laughing stock. You need to pay attention to what is going on. The old Kiev and Kuznetsov are both laughing stocks as carriers go. The Russians have even stopped flying support missions from the ship. Russia would be far better off sending the planes ashore and send Kuznetsov back home. Kuznetsov was a piece of junk when it came off the ways at Nikolaev.

    As for Trump, I still can’t figure him out.

    Good. But, then, you’re clueless about a lot.

    Right now the Trump rhetoric simply makes no sense: he wants to befriend Russia while antagonizing China and he wants to defeat Daesh while threatening Iran again. This is lunacy. Still, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but somebody sure needs to educate him on the geopolitical realities out there before he also end up making a total disaster of US foreign policy.

    Keep thrashing, Saker. You might figure it out one day, but I’m not holding my breath.

    Then he still has a chance of saving the USA from a catastrophic collapse, but only as long as he remains determined to ruthlessly crack down on the Neocons once in power.

    Ain’t gonna happen. The US is already in deep trouble, and it is beyond the ability of Trump, or anyone else to save it from some very hard times. There won’t be enough money for the US to follow the dreams of the neocons, or of the loony left. The entire world is going to feel it, and the lack of the US on the international scene will mean idiotic regimes like that of China and Russia, may well run riot.

    The next 4 years are going to be very interesting, and not in a good way.

  134. They were and always will remain tribalists for who the concepts of Western Civilization are as foreign as if they came from Mars.

    Cyrus Cylinder: First Charter of International Human Rights

    I am Cyrus.
    King of the world. When I entered Babylon… I did not allow anyone to terrorise the land… I kept in view the needs of Babylon and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being… I put an end to their misfortune.

    From The First Charter of the Rights of Nations

    Cyrus, The Great, 539 B.C.
    Founder of The First Persian Empire

    iow, Western Civilization (albeit not the bastardized version we seem to be ensnared in) was based on principles set down by ancient Persians. The principles are still at the core of Iranian identity.

    Stalin (Bolshevism) and Hitler (National Socialism) were radical opposites: Bolshevism had an international agenda — Sniegoski writes about it in an article Unz just posted; The Reality of Red Subversion.
    Hitler’s goals were nationalist. Herbert Hoover interviewed Goring & Hitler in 1938. After congratulating Hitler on the success of the NS program to build housing for working class Germans, Hoover learned that the Hitler had “three idées fixes:
    - to unify Germany from its fragmentation by the Treaty of Versailles;
    - to expand its physical resources by moving into Russia or the Balkan States; and
    - to destroy the Russian Communist government.”

    NO quest for world domination.
    NO agenda to wage war on France or Britain.
    NO goal of spreading National Socialism throughout the world.
    NOT even a map laying out plans to invade South America and drive German troops up the North American Continent, taking control of Washington.
    NO scheme to eradicate Christianity (that had to wait until zionists acquired more power, which they have).

    PS re: “tribalists for who” — try “tribalists for whom
    Getting your history from the backs of cereal boxes and comic books is one thing; spreading it using bad grammar is TOTALly unacceptable.

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  135. Another theory is that Mrs Kennedy’s second husband killed Kennedy to get Kenbedy out of the way so he could marry Mrs Kennedy.

    Another theory is that Kennedy arranged an attempted assassination. Despite all the Camelot hoopla, Kennedy was way down in the polls by 1963. So he arranged an attempted assassination so as to get the sympathy vote.

    Or maybe Johnson killed him to become President. That is a common method of obtaining high office.
    Maybe it was the angry husband of one of his many girl friends. Perhaps the anti Castro Cubans angry about the failed invasion. Perhaps Castro angry about the attempted invasion.

    So many theories, thousands of books.

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  136. Unfortunately Whites don’t stick together, especially in America. The elite founding stock have been very successful in driving Whites apart since the early 17th century.

    Many southern Whites still believe in the 1890s ideas that the different nationalities of Europe are actually different races.

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  137. Israel, the CIA, and China are the most dangerous entities on the planet.

    Lol wut? Why is China on the list?

    Hmm – 1.5 billion aggressive people who think that they have been slighted and are really the best people on the planet.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Israel and the CIA – well we all know their disrespect for life.

  138. believe that a Trump administration will seek closer ties with Russia to counter the influence of a greatly strengthened China, i.e., as a balance of power maneuver.

    It does appear to be moving in that direction, with Trump signalling a greater involvement with China’s traditional rival in Asia, India, itself decidedly under a nativist Modi. (The Pakistan tweet is simply random noise thrown in to create helpful tactical confusion)

    I expect China is taking a quiet measure of Mr Trump: his determined pivot to Taiwan; his strong friendship with Russia; reawakening the dormant nativist in Abe of Japan. It certainly has the feel of a global right-wing alliance against decades of liberal pablum and free-trade with its attendant effects on internal distribution.

    Throw into that mix a support for Israel’s policies by all the right-wing pols in Europe, and you’ve got a perfect mix for trade wars, civil disturbance and a further consolidation of corporate revenues to capital. I don’t believe people have fully grasped the implications of Trump’s economic agenda quite yet.

    Let us also not forget the budgetary process in Washington, primed for yet another showdown between the hard-core debt ceiling liquidationists and the Steve Bannon/Trump plan for a $1 tr infrastructure bill.

    It’s going to be a volatile year, 2017. Hard to predict beyond that without resorting to speculation.

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  139. you cannot be serious, furthermore I can hardly take you seriously. China being the biggest threat to the world and not being interested in world peace? On what planet do you live on? The only thing that China is a threat to is to US dominance in east asia and a world order that is predicated on western dominance. That’s it, no more and no less. In my opinion, the people who hype up the prospect of China being an aggressive potential hegemon who is out to bully the world typically have a very fuzzy understanding/experience with Chinese people and Chinese culture in general. These kinds of people always project their own inner imperialist tendencies onto the Chinese, when really there is not much historical precedent for China having international imperialist tendencies (regional matters are a different story, but even then, Chinese “imperialism” is magnitudes different than western “imperialism). Chinese people (well asian people in general) seem to lack the aggressive, pioneering, externally oriented mindset which is crucial for even wanting to pursue an empire in the first place, let alone maintaining one. I always chuckle at clueless commenters who can’t step outside of their own racial/cultural perspectives and realize that the different races and cultures in this world actually have different prerogatives and ways of going about doing things. Not everybody thinks like us buddy…

    Let me paraphrase an old anti-semitic quip:

    “The US cries out in pain as it hits you”

    That saying succinctly describes the essence of Art’s argument where he accuses China of being a dangerous entity and a threat to world peace, when on the contrary it is the US who has a proven track record of ruthlessly intervening around the world and disrupting world peace. Not only that, but the US accuses China of harboring aggressive proto-hegemonic tendencies when it is the US that has China encircled with hundreds of military bases! The US truly has some AMAZING chutzpah!

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  140. Im always amused at the autistic reasoning of many on the alt-right who believe that all the myriad white ethnicities are going to bind together simply on the basis of their skin color. People with this kind of mindset always assume that all the different white ethnicities think similarly (wrong), have a similar culture (sometimes true, often not though), and most importantly, they mistakenly assume that large amounts of the people belonging to various white ethnicities subscribe to a pan-white identity in the first place (my impression is that this is SUPER incorrect). Furthermore, the folly of this kind of thinking is self-evident if you just take the time to look at european history in the first place, which is almost entirely a tale of centuries of internecine conflict as well as the fact that if you take the time to look at the other races in the world; there are literally ZERO races which have ever put aside ethnic differences in order to promote some kind of pan-racial identity. This almost never happens, not with whites, not with blacks, not with asians, and so on so forth. The pursuit of some mystical idea of pan-white solidarity is a pipe dream IMO that fails to take into account the intrinsic nature of white people themselves.

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  141. Russian Ambassador killed in Ankara in the meantime……

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  142. And which of these testimonies were made and made public before 1964?

    There is no question Kennedy wished to limit the intervention in (and with) South Vietnam.

    One addressed what that may have meant, which is probably exactly what Johnson’s speech above suggests–no ground combat role in Vietnam. Which is essentially also what Diem wanted–various typos of support, not US troops.

    What Diem, like Ho Chi Minh also a Nationalist, saw, quite rightly, was that any large-scale intervention by large numbers of US troops in Vietnam would immediately turn a Civil War into a Nationalist campaign to expel a new invader. Which was exactly what happened.

    As far as Kennedy’s assassination is concerned two central events have to be clearly underlined:

    (1) Diem’s assassination. Kennedy was assassinated almost to the day one month later.

    (2) The U2 incident under Eisnehower, in which elements of the CIA and the security apparatus lied to Eisenhower and managed to sabotage Eisenhower’s expressed wish for detente with the Soviets.

    But that is only part of the context and that too must be emphasized.

    Consider also this–Johnson had to be talked into increasing US intervention in Vietnam and was very reluctant to do so, according to some recent accounts. If the planning was in progress before his election(as opposed to succession) as president, that does not necessarily mean he was aware of it.

    Granting that the Warren Report was as great a cover-up as the 9-11 report or, for that matter, the now consecrated financiers’s account of the “Super-Recession”(translate GRAND CRASH) of 2008, that does not mean that Kennedy was assassinated for one and only one reason as opposed to several different ones.

    Were the wishes of the military-industrial complex part of it? Was Vietnam? If there was a large-scale conspiracy within the levels of the US government, it is hard to discount either as part, active or passive.

    But this gets very complicated, and for obvious reasons, including what was post-assassination an obviously deliberate cover-up of many strands which may or may not have been connected in regard to the actual act and who directed and executed it. More important, a coverup by a whole crowd of people, most of whom had no real idea what was going on, before or after.

    There is a marvellous work, still more than pertinent to contemporary events, by Gianfranco Sanguinetti, which centers about terrorism and assassination (of Moro) in Italy, and also on the general concept of everything from terrorism to false-flags and what many now call the “Deep State”, first translated into French and then into English as “On Terrorism and the State”. It is available online and is only one part of a work that may or may not have been completed. It is hard going for those who are not familiar with the events in Italy at that time, but well worth the effort.

    Here a short passage:

    “As long as power exists separately from individuals, it will surely not be individuals who are in short supply. No functionary of power or capital is irreplaceable or indispensible for the maintenance of domination: neither Kennedy, Mattei, Moro, nor any of those who are still alive and active. In periods of trouble, the thing that is indispensible to a power that does not want to be replaced is precisely the elimination of certain men, either because they are too compromised or exposed, like Rumor, or because they desire a ‘replacement’ (even a minimal one) that arouses the fears or suspicions of certain sectors of power, and one knows that the most reactionary sectors are always the best armed. Moro’s ‘overtures’ [to the Stalinists] were thus perceived as opposed to certain interests and as a concession to ‘change’ – and this despite the fact that, historically, it is precisely change that such overtures try to prevent, but without too much conviction or sufficient guarantees – that is to say, in a manner different from the one desired by a faction of power and certain military leaders.” (tr. BS)

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  143. In my opinion, the people who hype up the prospect of China being an aggressive potential hegemon who is out to bully the world typically have a very fuzzy understanding/experience with Chinese people and Chinese culture in general.

    I don’t think you can predict the behavior of a great power based on the culture of its people. I share your respect for Chinese culture. But Germany before the Nazis had a great culture, the British before the Blair-Browne-Cameron onslaught had a great culture, Americans before the liberal lunatics went to work on it had a great culture. But cultures can change, or at least be warped totally out shape, very quickly. Consider the impact of Mao on Chinese culture and the lives of 45 million who failed to survive the Great Leap Forward.

    China is already the greatest manufacturing nation in the world. China already produces more qualified engineers and scientists than any other country in the world. China is now building up its military capabilities with the clear intent of matching and exceeding those of those of every other nation. Given China’s vast potential and extraordinary capacity for rapid development, it is only prudent for Western nations and China’s neighbors to look to their own defenses and their alliances.

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  144. Guy Debord translated Sanguinetti into French. Here is a not altogether unconnected passage from his own Comments on the Society of the Spectacle (1989):

    “One also struggles through play. Each officer is led to over-value his agents, as well as the opponents’ agents with whom he occupies himself. Each country, not to mention the numerous supranational alliances, currently possesses an undetermined number of police and counter-espionage services, along with secret services, both State and para-State. There are also many private companies dealing in surveillance, security and investigation. The large multinationals naturally have their own services; but so do nationalized companies, even those of modest scale, which no less pursue independent policies at a national and sometimes an international level. One can see that an industrial nuclear group will fight against an oil group, even though both are the property of the same State and, what is more, are dialectically united by their attachment to maintaining high oil prices on the world market. Each particular industry’s security service combats sabotage, and needs to organize it against their rivals: a company with important interests in undersea tunnels will be favorably disposed to the insecurity of ferry-boats [English in original] and may bribe newspapers in financial trouble to ensure they mention it on the first possible occasion and without too much reflection; a company competing with Sandoz will be indifferent to ground water in the Rhine valley. One secretly surveills what is secret. Thus each of these organizations, confederated with flexibility around those who are in charge of the reason of the State, aspires, for its own account, to a species of private hegemony of meaning. Because meaning has been lost along with the knowable center.” [Tr. BS]

    Which is to say, and it is absolutely essential to understand, that the knowable center no longer exists as knowable, even to itself.

  145. corr: types of support, etc. Have not corrected the typos in the quotations.

  146. But what if pan-European solidarity emerges? What are you gonna do to stop it? Why does the idea of pan-European solidarity terrify you? It would be a common defense against Israeli-Muzzie agression against European People…including the White ones in America.

    When you consider the good feeling that Trump’s White Male Voters have toward Vladimir Putin…well, I think it’s about time to euthanise Dark Age-Middle Age Ancient Feuds.

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  147. Im always amused at the autistic reasoning of many on the alt-right who believe that all the myriad white ethnicities are going to bind together simply on the basis of their skin color.

    What exactly do you mean by autistic reasoning? And is your comment intended as a slur against all autistic people including such as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, or is there something specifically amusing to you about the reasoning of high IQ people?

    People with this kind of mindset always assume that all the different white ethnicities think similarly (wrong), etc., etc.

    Stereotyping is so much easier than actually proving a case, isn’t it.

    As for these autistics, mistakenly assuming “that large amounts of the people belonging to various white ethnicities subscribe to a pan-white identity,” here’s an old bedouin saying:

    I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.

    And here’s a Cold-War-era remark of Leonid Brezhnev, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, to UK Prime Minister James Callaghan, at the height of the Cold War:

    Mr Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question of whether the white race will survive.

    (Source: The Scientist as Rebel (2006) by Freeman Dyson, p. 100.)

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  148. Art: Israel, the CIA, and China are the most dangerous entities on the planet.

    China being the biggest threat to the world and not being interested in world peace?

    Hmm – the Chinese people are just like the German people and the Japanese people in the last century – ready to flex their muscles. They are an old people who think very highly of themselves (like Jews in Israel).

    When their economy goes bad their leaders (like leaders always do) will start trouble with a neighbor. It is a story as old as time. The world must prepare to see the expectable through.

    where he (Art) accuses China of being a dangerous entity and a threat to world peace, when on the contrary it is the US who has a proven track record of ruthlessly intervening around the world and disrupting world peace.

    Gee – when I condemn the CIA aren’t I questioning my own country?

    Peace — Art

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  149. Let us also not forget the budgetary process in Washington, primed for yet another showdown between the hard-core debt ceiling liquidationists and the Steve Bannon/Trump plan for a $1 tr infrastructure bill.

    Eliminating the debt now is out of the question. It would drive the dollar so high that just about every job in America would be offshored: public service jobs to India (the humidity providing the ideal environment for bureaucratic obstruction, inertia, and boondoggling); healthcare to China — heart transplants, triple bi-pass surgery, whatever, at a tenth the US price; R and D to China also, since they have more engineering schools than the US has engineers.

    In emulation of the Chinese, Trump will print massive quantities of money to finance endless infrastructure spending: hyperloop trains travelling faster than sound; new cities in the desert where Chinese thieves, drug dealers, and tax evaders will come by the thousand to invest in multiple empty units. The required trillions in Finance will be provided by the Infrastructure development bank, thus avoiding Federal budget deficits.

    Once a decent infrastructure-spending-induced inflation is underway, bonds will crash. Then the administration can act on the debt, buying back bonds at a huge discount with money printed by the Treasury, thereby providing Trump a fiscal conservative platform for 2020.

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  150. I would post a reply but how do you reply to sheer stupidity.!!

  151. “And here’s a Cold-War-era remark of Leonid Brezhnev, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, to UK Prime Minister James Callaghan, at the height of the Cold War:

    ‘Mr Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question of whether the white race will survive.’ ”

    Er, he was talking about the threat of mutual atomic destruction, in which the Chinese would survive. This was during his imbecilic continuation of the Sino-Soviet Split provoked by Khruschev.

    Get out a map–now look carefully at a globe and then at northern part of the NORTHERN Hemisphere.

    As usual–with a few exceptions–Brezhnev had his head up his ass.

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  152. “In emulation of the Chinese, Trump will print massive quantities of money to finance endless infrastructure spending: hyperloop trains travelling faster than sound; new cities in the desert where Chinese thieves, drug dealers, and tax evaders will come by the thousand to invest in multiple empty units. The required trillions in Finance will be provided by the Infrastructure development bank, thus avoiding Federal budget deficits.

    Once a decent infrastructure-spending-induced inflation is underway, bonds will crash. Then the administration can act on the debt, buying back bonds at a huge discount with money printed by the Treasury, thereby providing Trump a fiscal conservative platform for 2020.”

    Who is going to print the money again? Oh, you mean the Treasury Secretrary–Señor Goldman Sachs Goldman Sachs? Jeje.

    You are a satirist, right?

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  153. This is just an observation, not a criticism, and it has nothing to do with his intelligence (far from it) but does Señor Trump have, or did he once have, some form of dyslexia?

    Is he right-handed, left-handed, ambidextrous?

  154. “Right now the Trump rhetoric simply makes no sense: he wants to befriend Russia while antagonizing China and he wants to defeat Daesh while threatening Iran again. This is lunacy.”

    Like a good general, Trump seems to have a knack for keeping his enemies guessing. His real foreign policy priorities — non-interventionism and trying to engage Russia — are evident from his speeches and his appointment of Tillerson. His appointment of a strongly pro-Israel ambassador to that country (what could be more natural?) is secondary and amounts to throwing a crumb to the neocons. Presidents and secretaries of state make foreign policy; ambassadors have some input but generally implement decisions made at a higher level. If the ambassador refuses to go along with his policies, Trump’s response will be: “You’re fired.”

  155. In emulation of the Chinese, Trump will print massive quantities of money to finance endless infrastructure spending: hyperloop trains travelling faster than sound; new cities in the desert where Chinese thieves, drug dealers, and tax evaders will come by the thousand to invest in multiple empty units. The required trillions in Finance will be provided by the Infrastructure development bank, thus avoiding Federal budget deficits.

    Once a decent infrastructure-spending-induced inflation is underway, bonds will crash. Then the administration can act on the debt, buying back bonds at a huge discount with money printed by the Treasury, thereby providing Trump a fiscal conservative platform for 2020.

    Well, I realise we are writing quick posts, which I am sure can be further expanded. A few points:

    (1) I endorse the basic ideas you’ve outlined, ones which I had written more guardedly about in the past, the core principles of which are rooted in the notion that globally accumulated USD debt can be extinguished by relative inflation in the U.S., thus vacuuming up global savings [via the infra bank] for the benefit of the U.S. And therein lies the rub. Are we [Trump] ready to unleash money printing at rates sufficient to outstrip inflation elsewhere, particularly that in China? For it matters only that we have relative inflation.

    (2) Trump’s very first agenda will take the shape of across the board tax reductions. Corporate tax down to fifteen percent and the top individual rate to twenty/twenty-five percent. This will raise deficits, not an immediate concern in and of itself since we are starting from a low deficit level. The infra spending must start concurrently or with minimum delay lest we are faced with the real prospect of insufficient consumer spending [marginal propensities low for higher incomes] coupled with tepid job creation

    (3) At the moment the economy is running somewhat warm to almost hot with wage rates climbing and quit rates quite high. Inflation can show up rather quickly, to which the Fed will react by tightening and therefore flattening the yield curve – initially, and then steepening if and only if the infra development bank is moving forthwith.

    (4) If long rates move the 30-year mortgage up by another point or more, the housing sector will take a clobbering and hand the economy the most formidable headwind. We need to consider the fact that a hot economy will also cause considerable crowding-out in the private debt markets.

    These are issues Steve Mnuchin will need to deal with and while it is possible to engineer Trump’s dream plan, it will require balls of titanium. For we will be wrenching back from the Chinese that which they stole from us first! :-)

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  156. This is way too optimistic. The neocons are down but not out. They seem disorganized and ineffective because the Trump phenomenom caught them by surprise.

    Do not underestimate them. They are already taking effective steps to throttle the alternative media. You can be sure that as we speak they are developing plans to take down Trump. I predict an operation more similar to Watergate than to the Kennedy assassination. They will go after his perceived weaknesses and attempt to turn his strengths into weaknesses. For example, Trump’s background as a businessman is a strength, but it also means he likes to make money. If they can fool or provoke someone in his circle into using their position to make money in a shaky deal, then using the Watergate template the trick is to lure Trump into covering it up. The legacy media will hammer at such a scandal day after day. This is just one example.

    You better believe the deep state has brilliant planners. I’m sure they can come up with something better than my lame idea. Look at the detail, care and finesse of the 9/11 event. For example, the symbolism of the date chosen. Plus the practical implications of the date – the first day of school, plus an election day meant “only” 3000 casualties while still traumatizing the entire US.

    Not underestimating your enemy is a prerequisite to winning.

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  157. Rule #1: Never rely on Wikipedia for ANYTHING other than correct dates and the correct spelling of names.

    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

  158. The Chinese just sold more US debt making the Japan the leading bagholder, jeje.

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  159. You are a satirist, right?

    No, I just think reality is often more bizarre and sometimes funnier than anything you could invent.

    As for who’s going to print the money, I told you. Who’s running the Treasury is immaterial. if the Treasury prints the money, it won’t appear on the books of the Fed as a government debt.

    In what particular way Brezhnev feared the European people might commit suicide is beside the point. What is to the point is that Europeans are committing suicide*, the prevention of which provides the European nations a common cause.
    ——
    *Due to reproductive suppression (by way of state-dictated sex “education”, which treats reproduction as the only sexual vice), mass slaughter of the unborn, the export of working class jobs, and mass replacement immigration.

  160. Yes. I was just trying to figure things out on broad lines. When you fill in a few details, it sounds a lot more scary. Long-live Titanium Balls Trump.

  161. Now there you go.. E.a.

    A “real” ,( and I mean real as in “authentic” ) catalyst for conflict, perhaps even a U.S.nuclear strike…would be if China dumped all our treasury bonds on the open market, at once .

    This massive dumping of our debt would be considered a declaration of war against the United States of America.

    We would probably put every fighter jet , drone,and stealth bomber we have, in the air, heading for Beijing and the Three Gorges Dam, within the hour.

    Within the hour.

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  162. Yes, you are right. As of the most recent accounts:

    Fed: $2463.5
    Japan: $1131.9
    China: $1115,7

    Of the total U.S. debt foreign holders own $6038.9, Intra-govt $7025.6 (All numbers in millions of USD)

    Now there is a limit to how much China will sell. China selling U.S debt is accompanied by sterilisation. Which has the same effect as further QE for the US. The Chinese cannot afford to do this constantly for they will (1) hurt their portfolio since right now they are selling them at a loss (2) the sterilisation required will cause serious difficulties in their domestic economy.

    Now, the real question is can Chinese consumption absorb the massive savings they generate internally just now? Arguably they are at least a few decades away.

    Even if they sell their entire holdings there will be buyers, the Fed as the last resort and the Fed can buy unlimited amounts at firesale prices, since it is not subject to mark-to-market. Extinguishing that debt purchased by the Fed is something of an accounting formality since it practices seignorage vis-a-vis the treasury. To be sure in this scenario Japan and other exporters will likely suffer.

    My guess is China will as a result of the inertia of the system that in operation currently, use the accumulated debt to start investing in real U.S. assets, especially those associated with our own infra development goals ;-)

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  163. What does…”JFK wished to limit intervention in Vietnam”….even mean?

    That’s like saying Richard Nixon was a peacenick because he pulled US troops out of Vietnam….after he bombed Vietnam…Cambodia….and Laos…into rubble.

    Gore Vidal who knew JFK very well had stated on many occasions that JYAAAAAAACK was hard-core True Believer Cold Warrior. The JFK hagiography industry is pure-unadulturated sewage.

    To the extent that JFK was commited to the Cold War world view of not letting the commies take over all of Vietnam….you can take this to the bank:JFK would have destroyed Vietnam…just like Nixon did. And JFK would have flooded The US with thousands of Chinese Legal Immigrants every year. JFK would have waged a war on two fronts….just like Nixon did….Invade the World Invite the World.

  164. JFK and the cockroach Kennedy Clan give the Irish Catholics a really bad image.

    Irish Catholics should stick with the Clancy Brothers…The Chieftans…The Pogues….wandering Irish Poets who put their verses to Celtic Harp Music…The Mystical Timbre of the Uilean Pipes….one of the best Uilean Pipers in the World is a Russkie!!!!..take that JFK you cockroach!!!….River Dance….and Jean Butler’shapely legs!!!

    Let the rotting corpses of JFK and his cockroach brother Teddy continue to rot in f……g hell where they belong.

  165. “Now there is a limit to how much China will sell”.

    Yes, depending on many factors.

    “My guess is China will as a result of the inertia of the system that in operation currently, use the accumulated debt to start investing in real U.S. assets, especially those associated with our own infra development goals.”

    Not a guess to bank on.

  166. Fat chance.

    But irrelevant. The Chinese are not interested in a quick collapse, nor have they ever been. Slow death–like the old Berkeley comic.

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  167. The Fed should go back to ZERO interest rates – loan the money to local people through local banks – not Wall Street.

    The people should takeout 15 year home loans at 1% caring cost. This will rebuild the wealth of the American middle class.

    The ZERO interest rates were working for the big money types – why not us?

    If Trump does his lower tax thing and lower regulation thing and his school voucher thing – everything will work out just fine.

    Peace — Art

  168. So here is a little skit which might prove to illustrate what is going on:

    Trump
    : Chiyna, you have stolen our jaabs by manipulating your currency; by creating a capital account shortfall and a current account surplus.

    China
    : What the fk are you talking about? We only produced stuff you wanted to buy!

    Trump: be that as it may, we want you to use those dollars you’ve parked in our bonds by directly capitalising our infrastructure bank. Also start putting a lot of money to work in WV, MI, WI, etc.

    China: F*k you again. We are not buying anything we don’t want!

    Trump: Allright, we are going to print a trillion each year and build up every city and desert in the U.S, and the bonds you hold are going to 30 cents on the dollar.

    China: You can’t do that! That will cause 6% inflation or more in the U.S! That is just unacceptable!

    Trump: Precisely my objective. Now, let’s negotiate. You can use all that money to play ball and invest in things which remain screwed down on U.S. soil without access to our technology, or we can bid you 35 cents on the dollar, still a better deal for you, since I am a great guy!

    China: We will launch on you!

    Trump: Really? Be a sport, and while you think of my bid on your bonds, get out of those little f*king islands that are bothering Abe San.


    China
    : Ok, ok we’ll invest.

    Trump: I knew we could deal.

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  169. Okay, now look at the SOUTHERN hemisphere.

    Surprise, surprise!

    No doubt it would have been for Brezhnev too.

  170. “Russian Ambassador killed in Ankara in the meantime……”

    By a Turkish riot police officer.

    Señor Ash Carter running around his office shouting, “We told you so! We told you so!” as if he has just won the daily double.

  171. “Mexico on Monday auctioned eight out of ten deep water oil and gas blocks up for grabs in the Gulf of Mexico, and scored a joint venture for a major crude field in the most hotly-anticipated round of the country’s energy opening so far.

    China’s Offshore Oil Corporation took two of the eight blocks, while Australia’s BHP Billiton outbid Britain’s BP in a bid to partner with Mexican state oil firm Pemex in the promising Trion light oil field in the Gulf of Mexico.”

    Reuters

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  172. hahahahaha……

  173. Señor Trump, “a wonderful dinner with a wonderful man!”, jeje.

  174. So then you are both naive and stupid. Tell us then the difference between “national socialism” and “socialism in a single state”? Tell us what’s the difference between the systematic slaughter of the Holocaust and the systematic slaughter of the Holodomor? Seems to me the Greeks finally defeated the Persian invasion after the sack of Athens.

  175. Those shots will be heard all around the world and a clear signal that what happened in aleppo will have serious consequences

  176. The Chinese are not interested in a quick collapse, nor have they ever been. Slow death…

    Indeed they aren’t.

    They’ve been working hard on making currency swap deals with every trading partner they have. So far, they have more than 30 signed up. The Russians, and others, have been making the same arrangements, though the RCB is hamstrung with extraordinarily restrictive IMF treaties executed by the Yeltsin gang.

    When the number of countries hits some magic target, they’ll pull the plug on their UST holdings. That number is, of course, dependent on US behaviour.
    That the plug will be pulled asymmetrically and in such a way that “no-one could have seen it coming”, goes without saying.

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  177. Yeah the Neocons double down.
    Now we have the assassination of the Russian Ambassador
    to which statesman Lyndon LaRouche warned that Obama’s recent comments meant that
    Obama was going to start killing.

    https://larouchepac.com/20161219/russian-ambassador-assassinated-open-provocation-larouche-warns-put-obama-list-suspects

  178. Please do not mistake my posts as a casual dismissal of China as a major player on the international socio-economic theatre. They are, by most measures. Yet it is undeniable what she has wrought upon this nation via currency devaluation and sub-average cost pricing [dumping], technology theft etc . A U.S.-Russia axis will stem Chinese ambitions and make for a better balance in favour of the West.

  179. Viewed from above, the global economy is a closed system and what precisely will currency swaps achieve, any number of them? In the final analysis, it comes back to the currency in which world balance of payments are measured and it is a long way to travel before the dollar/Euro/JPY are replaced. Chinese currency has at the moment just entered as a member of the SDR basket. My guess is it takes a sustained (at least a decade’s) demonstration of low volatility in a floating regime for it to achieve equal status with even JPY. Would you transfer your liquid holdings into Renminbi today?

    Why do you think more than seventy percent of Chinese companies, with only a minority succeeding, wish to list their stocks in the U.S. Nasdaq and other markets?

    U.S is certainly not in the seat it occupied in the 50s, 80s or 90s, but its easy to overestimate the power of nations, China included.

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  180. Did you actually read what I wrote? None of those mentioned in your reply had the power to pull off the various specifics of the hit mentioned in my post…. none. It came from the very top.

    Orders came from the very top for the JFK hit since, who had the means to change the parade route at such a late stage? Who had the authority to pull the SS men from mounting and running alongside the Lincoln? Who was able to restrain and redirect the crowds while the assassination teams made their escape? And who was broadcasting the fake Oswald narrative long before any cursory investigation could have taken place? (investigators would have learned from witnesses who placed LHO calmly leaning on the drink machine in the cafeteria while drinking a coke at the time of the shootings, several floors below where it is said he was). Who could control the autopsy, even to the point of Texan police being threatened? Who could control the investigation to the point that it resulted in the farcical, illogical and impossible conclusions of the Warren Commission? Not the mob, not the Cubans nor even contractors for the MIC (though operators from all could have been involved in a manner of creating plausible deniability). The top.

  181. iow, Western Civilization… was based on principles set down by ancient Persians.

    I didn’t realize the Persians were the victorious side of the Greco-Persian Wars.

  182. Predictions about China’s future behavior has nothing to do with the “greatness” of their culture or lack thereof. What I am making an argument on is the fact that considering China’s past behavior, as well as the temperament of asian people in general, western style imperialism has a near zero chance of happening. Have you even met any asian people before? Like actually talked to them? You would realize how ridiculous you sound if you were actually somewhat familiar with chinese/asian people. I said it before in my last comment and it bears repeating, asian people have a drastically different psychology compared to white people. In my entire life out of the hundreds of asian people I have met (many of them I got to know on a fairly close basis), I have never met a single asian who was aggressively externally focused and preoccupied with universalistic ideas and morals in the same way/degree/extent that (western) white people are. In fact, most of the asian people I have met ACTIVELY disdain this kind of thinking. Which in turn supports my original thesis, which is that in order to be an effective imperial power, you need to have some kind of psychology that is conducive to it. It just so happens that for better or worse, the externally oriented western psychology is ideal for imperialism, while the internally oriented eastern psychology seems to be the much less ideal for imperialism. Without this crucial mindset, there will be very little impetus for imperialistic adventures, and even if imperialism does occur, it will be of a significantly different nature than the western imperialism that we are accustomed to seeing.

    One can hardly blame China for dumping so much money into their military though, the US pokes and prods at China every chance it gets, as well as the fact that the US is firmly ensconced in China’s own backyard. This point is beyond debate and its obviously, factually true. You can’t meaningfully suggest that China has imperial ambitions in light of the US’ aggressive attitude towards China which elicits China’s defensive buildup in the first place.

    TLDR: It is very unlikely that China will become an imperialistic power (although it will still exercise incidental global hegemony through its vast economic power), however if China does become an imperialistic power it will do so reluctantly due to its population simply not having the temperament for the deep and thorough imperialism that western countries are so good at. Juxtapose this to the US where the western european derived population is considerably more amicable to the idea of imperialism and in fact are in many cases eager to engage in imperialistic adventures or other actions which are expressive of a highly externally oriented mindset. I’ll only take clamoring about Chinese imperialism seriously once China begins putting hundreds (thousands?) of military installations in Canada, Mexico, the caribbean.

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  183. You assume that I am totally against it, I am not. My point is that forging some sense of pan-white identity is much harder than many of its proponents realize. The reason for this is because many of the people advocating pan-white solidarity are (usually) Americans who have very little contact with european people and thus they lack awareness of how “whiteness” is perceived in europe. Basically I am making the argument that american white nationalists (or whatever you want to call it) are trying to unilaterally forge some kind of connection with europeans based on race, however europeans by and large will not reciprocate these feelings of racial brotherhood since they typically appear to value ethnicity over race. This is why I find this whole pan-white mindset risible, not because its a bad idea in and of itself, but rather because its proponents are not approaching the task logically and are not considering real world, extra-ideological factors.

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  184. Autistic as in black and white, non-nuanced, hamhanded. You’re actually a pretty good example of this. Anyways, save your faux outrage and btw, what does a Bedouin saying have anything to do with pan-white solidarity? You DO realize that Bedouins have an entirely different culture and an entirely different mindset than us right? Thus what they say and believe may not have the same purchase with people of western european descent as it does with Bedouin people. The fact that you chose to use a Bedouin proverb to prove why pan-white solidarity can exist just proves my point that you seem to lack the ability to apply nuance and critical analysis to a situation. Yet you want me to believe that people like you can navigate and overcome the vast cultural boundaries that exist within the different european cultures and somehow forge a sense of pan-racial identity? yeah ok lol

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  185. All you have done is deflect and dodge my arguments laid out in my original post. Furthermore you are trying to pass off your arguments as if they disprove what I am saying, when in fact some of what you are saying is merely restating arguments that I was originally making. Here is one example:

    When their economy goes bad their leaders (like leaders always do) will start trouble with a neighbor. It is a story as old as time. The world must prepare to see the expectable through.

    Here is what I originally wrote:

    when really there is not much historical precedent for China having international imperialist tendencies (regional matters are a different story, but even then, Chinese “imperialism” is magnitudes different than western “imperialism).

    As I stated, you would be hardpressed to make an argument for China trying to become an aggressive global imperialist power, however China may take a slightly different tack with regional matters. But China engaging in some kind of regional posturing/hegemony is hardly a “threat to world peace” like you are trying to say.

    Gee – when I condemn the CIA aren’t I questioning my own country?

    The CIA does not fully influence America’s foreign policy, other American institutions also have a large influence on America’s foreign policy as well, and what is that foreign policy? Foreign intervention and neo-imperialism. I find it disingenuous of you to clamor about China being a threat to world peace when it is the United States (NOT just the CIA) who is obviously an actual threat to world peace as opposed to a hypothetical one, yet you choicely choose to deny the obvious and instead try to pin some half hearted blame on just a singular faction of the US government instead.

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  186. …what precisely will currency swaps achieve, any number of them?

    Central Banks wouldn’t be putting the effort into them if they didn’t hope to achieve something. It takes a lot of negotiating, and a lot of legal/monetary structure to make one work.

    …it is a long way to travel before the dollar/Euro/JPY are replaced

    In the normal course, agreed, but we’ve drifted far off the normal course. The world’s financial / monetary systems are under severe stress. The currency swaps are indicative of countries protecting their trade positions and currencies against a currency event. What currency event do you think they’re protecting themselves against?

    Not sure that I understand this entirely correctly, but it seems to me that they also function as a means of circumventing IMF treaties regarding currency issuance and reserves. Many “developing countries” must ration currency issuance into their economies in a strict ratio tied to the “hard currencies” they have in reserve. That’s what’s hamstringing the Russian CB and many others. They are forced to sell resources for treaty mandated currencies in order to issue their own currency for development.
    Of course, they never have enough as commodity prices are controlled by Western markets. In a currency swap, the CB in question has agreed with, say, the PBoC to purchase their currency using RMB and so skips over the IMF requirement. That’s why it’s so attractive. A Brazil, say, can buy a Hi-speed Rail system, and pay for it in RMB without having to accumulate U$Ds by peddling iron ore through Western markets first. In turn, China buys iron ore, or ag products, and pays for it in RMB. IOW, a form of international barter using the respective currencies as a unit of account.

    Geopolitically, currency swaps reduce international demand for U$Ds.
    Reducing demand for U$Ds reduces the USA’s ability to fund its deficits with foreign funds. USG’s deficit is approx equal to the US trade deficit. It happens that the deficit is also approx equal to the US DoD’s budget.
    IOW, the USM funds its vast operations at the pleasure of foreigners. When their pleasure runs out, the USG will have to shut down some operations, choosing between military and domestic programs. Both have geopolitical implications.

    Why do you think more than seventy percent of Chinese companies, with only a minority succeeding, wish to list their stocks in the U.S. Nasdaq and other markets?

    Simple, that is how they get value for their “money”. Being traded on a US exchange gets them domestic dollars which they can spend on US assets – companies, factories, land, etc. The concern is that the US will repudiate foreign held U$Ds when the “”currency event” comes along.

    Would you transfer your liquid holdings into Renminbi today?

    I did, long ago.

    … its easy to overestimate the power of nations, China included.

    To be sure, but it’s equally easy to underestimate them.

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  187. It just so happens that for better or worse, the externally oriented western psychology is ideal for imperialism, while the internally oriented eastern psychology seems to be the much less ideal for imperialism.

    Not sure about this “Eastern psychology” idea. The Chinese may not be imperialistic at present, but prior to WW2 the Japanese certainly were (invasion and exploitation of Manchuria, Korea etc.) including all the racial superiority justifications.

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  188. My point is that forging some sense of pan-white identity is much harder than many of its proponents realize.

    The problem is that they have always thought of themselves as “Americans” and are not familiar with the idea of defining themselves racially as “Whites”. This was the whole idea of the Melting Pot that worked fine up to the early 1970′s.

    It was CCP Counter Cultural Progressives that played up Multiculturalism as one among many ways to gain power through destroying the links holding together US society.

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  189. As I see it they are already “out” with regard to their global agenda. That is, their plans for complete Jewish world domination and control have been completely trashed, IMO. The best they can hope for at this point is massive physical destruction.

    I believe that Russia et al. have finally come to realize/accept the depths of their demonically-inspired depravity, and they are arming and preparing accordingly.

    Of course they are not yet “out” domestically. And this is why Trump needs to move immediately to investigate 9/11. He needs to appoint the right people and set things in motion that will continue even if something should happen to him.

    I believe that if anything happens to Trump, or if he turns out to be just another Jew-controlled puppet, Russia will strike first. They will have to; it would be irresponsible of the Russian government if they didn’t.

  190. I think the eastern psychology idea is terrific. I think what you have to acknowledge here is that I never claimed that the eastern psychology completely prohibits imperialism. I have merely been making the argument that it is significantly less conducive for imperialistic adventures, and even if an east asian nation chose to embark on imperial adventures then the imperialism that it attempt to pursue will be significantly different in nature than western imperialism.

    It just so happens that for better or worse, the externally oriented western psychology is ideal for imperialism, while the internally oriented eastern psychology seems to be the much less ideal for imperialism.

    Regarding Japanese imperialism in the 20th century:

    Japan (pragmatically) saw this kind of behavior as the only way to achieve parity with its western competitors and avoid becoming a colony itself. Furthermore during this time period, there was a western landgrab for various asian territories, thus it was a veritable zero-sum game that was playing out. Due to external factors such as this, the Japanese fully engaged in the imperialistic games. The obvious takeaway point is that Japan did not engage in imperialism due to internal motivating factors, rather it decided to engage in imperialism due to extenuating external factors. Furthermore, it is important to consider that during this time period, Japan was copying/emulating all things western. Thus, just because the Japanese decided to experiment with western style imperialism once doesn’t mean that east asians as a whole are intrinsically suited towards imperialism. IF an east asian nation once again turns to imperialism, it will be done as a reaction to external factors and not as some internally driven impetus, which has been my point this entire time. Don’t forget, it was Japan that willingly isolated and cut itself off from all western contact for hundreds of years until commodore matthew perry forced them to open up again. The fact that Japan (along with korea and china) all made the decision to try to completely isolate themselves throughout the centuries (juxtaposed with the behavior of the west during these same time periods) says volumes about the psychology and intrinsic mindset of asian people.

  191. Im not quite sure if I agree with that. I always got the impression that there was a strong, implicit pan-white identity in America. I believe this is essentially the case. Rather the problem when it comes to trying to establish some sort of global pan-white identity is getting europeans on board. Generally speaking, europeans never seriously bought into the whole pan-racial identity concept and instead preferred to identify themselves on ethnic/national grounds as opposed to racial ones.

  192. Thanks It’s a unique ponzi scheme where America forces other countries to accumulate dollars Dollars are then brought back to treasury . War abroad welfare at home are then financed . But those countries who lend the money have no power like IMF or WB have on those countries . The whole facade of capitalistic globalism will fall asunder once this element is removed .

    Inida spends enormous amount of resources to buy oil . It has to use thousands hours of labor to get American equivalent of 100 hours of labor on same type of works -say construction work and pay Oil countries to get oil that could be bought by American with the wages of 24 hours of labor . It is more complex and more disheartening .

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  193. Central Banks wouldn’t be putting the effort into them if they didn’t hope to achieve something. It takes a lot of negotiating, and a lot of legal/monetary structure to make one work.

    Agree with this statement, yet Renminbi swaps need to be over-collateralised vis-a-vis the volatility of the currency. Now this I certainly expect to normalise over time…..

    The world’s financial / monetary systems are under severe stress. The currency swaps are indicative of countries protecting their trade positions and currencies against a currency event. What currency event do you think they’re protecting themselves against?

    Inter-CB currency swap notionals have come in significantly since 2008. Swaps are in place, not to circumvent IMF rules but to retain a measure of flexibility as they undergo alterations to accommodate a new reserve currency [i.e., the Yuan] over time, but not particularly against a crash of the dollar. If anything DXY continues to trend upwards rather sharply…

    Many “developing countries” must ration currency issuance into their economies in a strict ratio tied to the “hard currencies” they have in reserve. That’s what’s hamstringing the Russian CB and many others. They are forced to sell resources for treaty mandated currencies in order to issue their own currency for development.

    Very true. Yet this rationing is nothing more than a reflection of output capacity stability, the robustness of the tax regime and therefore budgetary projections, and more to the point, fluctuations of commodity-price driven economies. So I’d say China is relatively immune to this weakness but Russia is not.

    Of course, they never have enough as commodity prices are controlled by Western markets. In a currency swap, the CB in question has agreed with, say, the PBoC to purchase their currency using RMB and so skips over the IMF requirement. That’s why it’s so attractive. A Brazil, say, can buy a Hi-speed Rail system, and pay for it in RMB without having to accumulate U$Ds by peddling iron ore through Western markets first. In turn, China buys iron ore, or ag products, and pays for it in RMB. IOW, a form of international barter using the respective currencies as a unit of account.

    Well I’d agree that commodity prices are largely “controlled” by western markets to the extent these markets constitute the largest bloc of demand, but not in the sense of a monopolist. I think it is generally a healthy outcome to reduce a dependence on the dollar since it places incredible burdens on our CB [think about decades of Chinese tinkering with their current and capital accounts which the US could've circumvented but did not, since a reserve currency nation, especially the premier reserve cannot engage in such a strategy. Thus our actions were restricted to issuing warnings to China without formal labelling or monetary countermeasures. That might change under Trump], as well that a global monetary system with an expanded set of reserves is also one which is less prone to shocks.

    It happens that the deficit is also approx equal to the US DoD’s budget.
    IOW, the USM funds its vast operations at the pleasure of foreigners. When their pleasure runs out, the USG will have to shut down some operations, choosing between military and domestic programs. Both have geopolitical implications.

    Yes, we sell a lot of armaments and naturally that shows up in the accounting scheme. I think this needs to be reduced with U.S. focusing more on its domestic markets, which are really unmatched in purchasing power if only we’d move away a bit from military adventurism. In truth, I am puzzled by what The Donald keeps repeating about building “the greatest military the world has ever seen”.

    Simple, that is how they get value for their “money”. Being traded on a US exchange gets them domestic dollars which they can spend on US assets – companies, factories, land, etc. The concern is that the US will repudiate foreign held U$Ds when the “”currency event” comes along.

    So Chinese capital [businesses and individuals] is more than keen to purchase hard U.S. assets. We should allow this as we had done for the Japanese in the 80′s. These assets ought to be ideally nailed to U.S soil and not technology leaking in nature. The probability of the U.S. repudiating foreign held USD’s are as remote as asteroids blowing us up – one might consider that unacceptably large but in all seriousness, I don’t think it ever happens.

    I did, long ago.

    Well, you certainly put your money where your mouth is, as opposed to my own actions of diversifying among three.

    Great dialogue. Thanks.

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  194. Alt Right Liberal

    Europeans in Europe have two choices…and I will be very blunt about it:stand with Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia or be murdeted….enslaved…gang raped by Muslims and Africans. Western European and Scandinavian people won’t survive any other way.

    Choose Christian Russia..or choose homosexual-pedophile-negro-muzzie-Mexican gang banger US Military occupation.

    The clock is ticking…it is now a few seconds before midnight for Western Europe and Scandinavia. There are no other choices. I never engage in hermeneutical ism debates-HBD policy wonkery.

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  195. The last time PPP values were set was 2011. Russian inflation has greatly outpaced the world since then. Reduce PPP values by 25% for a reaqsonable accurate PPP comparison.

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  196. India, Japan and the EU are the big economies that will benefit from the fallen price of oil and other raw materials. It’s a 25 year raw materials cycle so don’t expect much to last from OPEC’s present efforts. It takes time for these things to wrok through the system. The oil crash is only just 2 years old. Countries like Greece and Spain have debts to pay before they start spending. Japan has p