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There is nothing new about empires taking hostages and using them to put pressure on whatever rebel group needs to reminded “who is boss”. The recent arrest in Italy of Alexander Korshunov, the director for business development at Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC), is really nothing new but just the latest in a long string of kidnappings. And, as I already mentioned in distant 2017, that kind of thuggery is not a sign of strength but, in fact, a sign of weakness. Remember Michael Ledeen’s immortal words about how “”Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business“? Well, you could say that this latest spat of kidnappings is indicative of the same mindset and goal, just on a much smaller, individual, scale. And, finally, it ain’t just Russia, we all know about the kidnapping of Huawei’s CFO Meng Wanzhou by the Canadian authorities.

By the way, you might wonder how can I speak of “kidnapping” when, in reality, these were legal arrests made by the legitimate authorities of the countries in which these arrests were made? Simple! As I mentioned last week, words matter and to speak of an “arrest” in this case wrongly suggest that 1) some crime was committed (when in reality there is ZERO evidence of that, hence the talk of “conspiracy” to do something illegal) 2) that this crime was investigated and that the authorities have gathered enough evidence to justify an arrest and 3) that the accused will have a fair trial. None of that applies to the cases of Viktor Bout, Konstantin Iaroshenko, Marina Butina or, for that matter, Meng Wanzhou or Wang Weijing. The truth is that these so-called “arrests” are simple kidnappings, the goal is hostage taking with the goal to either 1) try to force Russia (and China) to yield to US demands or 2) try to “get back” at Russia (and China) following some humiliating climb down by the US Administration (this was also the real reason behind the uncivilized seizure of Russian diplomatic buildings in the USA).

This is not unlike what the Gestapo and the SS liked to do during WWII and their kidnapping of hostages was also called “arrest” by the then state propaganda machine. By the way, the Bolsheviks also did a lot of that during the civil war, but on a much larger scale. In reality, both in the case of the Nazi authorities and in the case of the imperial USA, as soon as a person is arrested he/she is subjected to solitary confinement and other forms of psychological torture (Manning or Assange anybody?!) in order to either make them break or to at least show Russia and China that the US, being the World Hegemon gets to seize anybody worldwide, be it by a CIA kidnapping team or by using local colonial law enforcement authorities (aka local police forces).

US politicians love to “send messages” and this metaphor is used on a daily basis by US officials in all sorts of circumstances. Here the message is simple: we can do whatever the hell we want, and there ain’t nothing you can do about it!

But is that last statement really true?

Well, in order to reply to this we should look at the basic options available to Russia (this also applies to China, but here I want to focus on the Russian side of the issue). I guess the basic list of options is pretty straightforward:

Frankly, in the case of the USA, options one and two are useless: the AngloZionist leaders have long given up any hope of not being hated and despised by 99% of mankind and they have long dropped any pretense of legality, nevermind morality: they don’t give a damn what anybody thinks. Their main concern is to conceal their immense weakness, but they fail to do so time and time again. Truly, when wannabe “empires” can’t even bring an extremely weakened country such as Venezuela to heel, there ain’t much they can do to boot their credibility. If anything, this thuggery is nothing more than the evidence of a mind-blowing weakness of the Empire.

But that weakness in no way implies that Russia and China have good options. Sadly, they don’t.

Russia can engage in various types of sanctions, ranging from the petty bureaucratic harassment of US representations, diplomats, businessmen and the like to economic and political retaliations. But let’s not kid ourselves, there is very little Russia can do to seriously hurt the USA with such retaliations. Many would advocate retaliation in kind, but that poses a double problem for the Kremlin:

  • Once a country has gone down the road of illegal brute force, there is no way back. The examples of the US, Israel or, for that matter, the Ukraine show that once primitive thuggery becomes part of your political arsenal you will forever remain a thug and everybody will see this (whether everybody will have the courage to openly state this is a different issue altogether).
  • The reality is that double and triple standards have long become the essential key feature of all western ideological systems, from the Papacy to modern capitalism. The Kremlin fully understands that in the AngloZionist Empire “some are more equal than others” and that that which is “allowed” to the World Hegemon is categorically forbidden to everybody else. Thus if Russia retaliates in kind, there will be an explosion of hysterical protests not only by the western legacy corporate and state ziomedia, but also from the 5th columnist in the Russian “liberal” press.

And yes, unlike the USA, Russia does have a vibrant, diverse and pluralistic media and each time when Putin agrees to a press conference (especially one several hours long) he knows that he will be asked the tough, unpleasant, questions. But since he, unlike most western leaders, can intelligently answer them he does not fear them. As for Dmitrii Peskov and Maria Zakharova, they have heard it all a gazillion during the past years, including often the most ridiculously biased, mis-informed and outright ridiculous “questions” (accusations, really) from the western presstitute corps in Russia.

So yes, Russia could, in theory, retaliate by arresting US citizens in Russia (or by staging Cold War type provocations) or by kidnapping them abroad (Russia does have special forces trained for this kind of operation). But this is most unlikely to yield any meaningful results and it would create a PR nightmare for the Kremlin.

ORDER IT NOW

The truth is that in most of these cases we always come down to the fundamental dichotomy: on one hand we have a rogue state gone bonkers with imperial hubris, arrogance and crass ignorance (say, the USA and/or Israel) while on the other we have states which try to uphold a civilized international order (Russia, China, Iran, etc.). This is by logical necessity a lop-sided struggle in which the thugs will almost always have the advantage.

Here I want to address a logical fallacy which I regularly hear in the West: when one political system proves stronger, or more capable of survival, than another one, this supposedly proves that the stronger state is also somehow “superior”. This is the argument used by those who claim that the Soviet Union “lost the Cold War” and that “Capitalism has proven much more sustainable/efficient than Communism”. This is utter nonsense for at least two reasons: first, the USSR did not “lose” the Cold War – the CPSU and the Soviet ruling Nomenklatura decided to break-up the USSR (against the will of the people!) and, second, the fact is that the Soviet Union was squandering its wealth all over the planet while the USA was robbing the entire planet blind. How can we compare the two? Finally, allow me this metaphor to make my point: if we would lock up a human being and a hyena in a small empty cell to see who will survive we can be pretty darn sure that the hyena will immediately and very “effectively” kill the human and eat him. Does that “victory” somehow prove the hyena’s “superiority”? Of course not! For one thing, capitalism implies infinite growth in a finite environment, which is exactly what a malignant tumor does for a living and which is self-evidently non-sustainable. So are we going to compare one political system – Communism – which does not rely on growth and which is therefore sustainable, and which spread its wealth all over the planet with one based on (international) “highway robbery” (don’t take my word for it, take it from Paul Craig Roberts himself who unambiguously stated recently that “American Capitalism is Based on Plunder”). Yes, the Soviet system was fundamentally rotten, profoundly dysfunctional and ineffective (only imbeciles or ignoramuses would deny that!), but it was not in any way “defeated” by the West nor is Capitalism any “better” or “superior” (whatever you want that to mean) than Communism (more on this here if you are interested).

For all these reasons, there is really nothing much Russia (or China) can do about this situation besides publishing an official warning to the Russian people saying that if they travel abroad they should realize that “US intelligence agencies continue their current hunt for Russians around the world”. They also made public the list of countries which have extradition treaties with the USA: Australia, Austria, Albania, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Belgium, Bulgaria, Bolivia, Brazil, United Kingdom, Hungary, Canada, Colombia, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Dominica, Greece, Guyana, Haiti, Guatemala, Germany, Honduras, Greece, Israel, India, Jordan, Iraq, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Kenya, Latvia, Lesotho, Liberia, Lithuania, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Micronesia, Monaco, Myanmar, Nauru, Nigeria, Netherlands, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, El Salvador, San Marino, Swaziland, Seychelles, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Lucia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Suriname, Sierra Leone, Thailand, Tanzania, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Turkey, Uruguay, Philippines, Finland, France, Czech Republic, Chile, Switzerland, Sweden, Sri Lanka, Ecuador, Estonia, South Africa, South Korea, Jamaica and Japan.

The MoFA concluded by warning that “The Russian foreign Ministry strongly urges all Russian citizens planning trips abroad to carefully weigh all the risks, especially if there is reason to assume the possibility of claims against them by American law enforcement agencies”.

Some caveat emptor before buying your airline ticket, right?!

Conclusion: it will get a lot worse before it gets better

First, we need to always remember that kidnappings are just the latest manifestation of an overall pattern of thuggery by the USA. The attitude is pervasive, and US citizens are not free of this climate of thuggery. Another good example are the outright bribes offered to the ships captains of Iran, to sail their crude carriers to somewhere were the US can literally pirate the carrier. Remember the amazing confession by Pompeo himself: “We lied, we cheated, we stole…. it reminds you of the glory of the American experiment”?

You don’t?

Then here is a quick refresher:

It can almost be rewritten and expanded like this: We lie, we cheat, we steal, we kidnap, we bribe, we extort, we pirate, then we threaten, and then we tell everyone how exceptionally morally superior we are.

Yet a certain limit has been crossed. It is as if their own belief in their own moral superiority has inverted to the extent that their own moral superiority is so big, and so certain, that any small actions of thuggery is allowed to them. This will not change any time soon and even the most innocent traveler must have awareness of this. This is why the Chinese are now openly wondering if sending Chinese students to the USA is such a good idea after all.

So the first thing we have to accept is that this pattern of thuggery will not stop, if anything – it will expand.

Second, we have to also realize that there are no good options for the Russians or the Chinese. In fact, this is normal: civilized actors often find themselves “out-gunned”, so to speak, by thugs, sociopaths and criminals. Over time, however, thuggery is always self-defeating because it is inevitably linked to a delusion of impunity. As for civilized states, while it is true that they are at a fundamental disadvantage when faced by uncivilized thugs but, again, over time they eventually prevail if only because everybody always ends up fed up and disgusted with the thugs. Finally, while thuggery can seem attractive to people with sociopathic inclinations, most human beings need a higher ideal than just unbridled consumption to inspire them. Communism had (and I would argue, still has) this ability. Capitalism does not.

For the foreseeable future, however, we can only expect more of the same. Thanks to the ceaseless efforts of Obama and Trump the Empire is collapsing even faster than it normally would and we can expect that the current sequence of humiliating defeats for the USA (and, of course, Israel which has its own humiliating wounds to lick!) will continue and that the USA (and, of course, Israel!) will have to find more small targets (be it kidnapped Russian nationals or empty buildings in Syria) to kidnap or destroy and feel powerful again.

This will be revolting, disgusting and simply plain stupid.

But there is nothing Russia (or China) can do to stop it, at least not for the foreseeable future.

 
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  1. peterAUS says:

    Not a bad spin.

    Conclusion:

    ….For the foreseeable future, however, we can only expect more of the same….

    Good to hear:

    …Over time, however, thuggery is always self-defeating..

    Promising.. As in the Beckett’s book.

    As for:

    ….it would create a PR nightmare for the Kremlin….

    Equal player player, a? Funny.

  2. This Saker is smart. I like the way he explains, in clear detail, how “capitalism” did not “defeat” “communism.” And you cretins, stupider than him, think it did. Hardehar.

  3. I see that not everyone believes in an eye for an eye. Bless your religion sir. If I had the power to call down blessings, which I don’t, I’d have to make that a double order. You are twice blessed for saying, out loud, publicly and all, that the Soviet Union did not fall, nor did anyone push it over. It was not about the price of oil or the cost of wheat or even the darkness that lurks in the depths of mens souls. It was dismantled by its own chief executive officers and it fell apart precisely because its officials still did their jobs. People have all sorts of strong feelings about this, understandably so, yet is it well to stick to the truth. I agree with you on this matter thought it’s difficult to endure such provocative and insulting evils. In past struggles with Europe, Russia has proven itself capable and willing to make the sacrifices necessary to achieve its aims. A determined stance on the part of the leaders puts a burden on the people. But as well, it empowers them to. In this way they succeed.

  4. Smith says:

    Uh, I consider communism defeated when two “communist” powers at the times decide to enjoy foreign investment hard.

    And I don’t know about Russia, but China enjoys its kidnapping:
    https://ktla.com/2017/02/01/chinese-billionaire-abducted-from-hong-kong-hotel-taken-to-mainland-china/

    And China should stop sending students to the USA, and USA should stop accepting chinese students for the simple case of technological and cultural theft. Same for jew students.

  5. MarkinPNW says:

    Well, Nikolai Starikov has a chapter in one of his books about the role of snipers in history, such as forcing Yeltsin on Russia, the Maiden in Ukraine, etc.

    http://lit.md/files/nstarikov/rouble_nationalization-the_way_to_russia%27s_freedom.pdf

  6. HEREDOT says:

    Usa is a disgusting servant of Israel. Does anyone object to this situation?

    • Replies: @HEREDOT
    , @Moi
  7. HEREDOT says:
    @HEREDOT

    I am not talking about social media by swearing to Israel, but about organizing.

  8. Realist says:

    But there is nothing Russia (or China) can do to stop it, at least not for the foreseeable future.

    Why write about a situation with no solution?

    • Replies: @Scotto
    , @Vojkan
    , @Vidi
  9. Stupid is as power lies.
    It boasts the high ground, then eats the inferno.
    How does democracy die?
    Seeds the world with fire, explodes the volcano.

  10. Scotto says:

    It’s good and noble to have ideals, but communism is going to have to do better in terms of overall well being for it’s citizens than capitalism. To this date communism has failed-and miserably so- to provide that overall well being. Does this mean I’m anti-communist? Of course not, but I’m a show me, don’t tell me person.

    • Replies: @Nonny
    , @animalogic
  11. Scotto says:
    @Realist

    We can’t have solutions just because we want or need them. The Saker has identified and characterized the problem and that is what must first be done before any solutions can be put forth. The Saker is only one man and we are many. Perhaps it’s up to the many of us to begin a discussion of probable and possible solutions?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Smith
    , @renfro
  12. renfro says:

    Captain Hook to Captain Kumar of the runaway oil tanker…lol… peter pan clowns running the State Department.

    “This is Brian Hook . . . I work for secretary of state Mike Pompeo and serve as the US Representative for Iran,” Mr Hook wrote to Akhilesh Kumar on August 26, according to several emails seen by the Financial Times. “I am writing with good news.”

    “With this money you can have any life you wish and be well-off in old age,” Mr Hook wrote in a second email to Mr Kumar that also included a warning. “If you choose not to take this easy path, life will be much harder for you.”

    • Replies: @Escher
    , @Amon
  13. Communism and Capitalism are abstract terms that certainly do not have a precise definition.
    In both systems the system is vulnerable to mistakes and excesses.
    I do see a certain hopelessness in this article. Also PCR did write his latest article in this mood.
    Anyway we look at it the final outcome will be most influenced by international trade.
    We definitely did pass the times of revolutions and upheavals.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Amon
    , @FvS
  14. Escher says:
    @renfro

    Interesting that the media has quickly memory holed that incident of naked blackmail and bribery.
    Kudos to Capt. Kumar for not buckling. That’s what a real man looks like, not the overfed blustering windbags running the US (into the ground).

  15. Nonny says:
    @Scotto

    Are you talking about all the homeless on the streets in Cuba?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  16. Vidi says:

    As for civilized states, while it is true that they are at a fundamental disadvantage when faced by uncivilized thugs but, again, over time they eventually prevail if only because everybody always ends up fed up and disgusted with the thugs.

    True. The thugs may think they are invincible, but that’s not true.

    In early 16th century, Cesare Borgia was by far the greatest power in the Romagna (part of northern Italy). He thought he could do anything, however cruel, and nobody could make him pay. In 1502, some of his captains were getting restless. So Cesare lured them to a peace conference at Sinigallia, with many smiles and promises. And there, before the dawn of New Year’s Day of 1503, he had them strangled to death (Vitellozzo Vitelli, Oliverotto da Fermo, and the Orsini brothers).

    Did this mighty man, this overwhelming power, go unpunished for his viciousness? Well, yes. For four years. Then on March 11, 1507, he was killed by some of his many enemies.

    Cesare was the son of Pope Alexander VI; some people say that the power of the son depended on the health of the pope. There’s some truth to that. But Pope Alexander was still alive when the Sinigallia murders happened, and Cesare obviously felt strong. The major reason for Cesare’s downfall, I think, was the bitter enemies he made by perpetrating many treacheries and cruelties. Indeed, his captains’ restlessness was likely due to their revulsion.

    The modern parallels are clear: Cesare counted heavily on the health of his father; the U.S. counts heavily on the health of its reserve currency. Cesare’s allies (like his captains) were ready to bolt; the U.S.’s vassals are also ready to bolt (see Nordstream 2 and the many countries that have signed on to the Silk Roads). Cesare’s cruelties created many enemies; the U.S. is also making many enemies. Cesare didn’t last long; and the U.S. will probably not last long either — although likely longer than Cesare!

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  17. Vidi says:
    @Smith

    And I don’t know about Russia, but China enjoys its kidnapping:
    https://ktla.com/2017/02/01/chinese-billionaire-abducted-from-hong-kong-hotel-taken-to-mainland-china/

    That is likely fake news. You are claiming that Beijing kidnapped Xiao Jianjua. However, the billionaire is facing charges (in 2017) of stock manipulation and bribery (link), and it seems far more likely that he is on the run from his appointment with a court. His family actually asked the Hong Kong police to stop investigating, so his vanishing act is almost certainly his choice.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Smith
  18. @Smith

    As to the practicalities of stopping foreign Chinese students — it’s going to be a hard sell.
    Foreign students combined put in about $ 38 billIon into the US economy & sustain 455,000 jobs.
    In Australia foreign students (many of whom are Chinese) pump in about $ 32 billion.

  19. @Smith

    Plenty of Chinese investment in the capitalist West. Their model for Communism was always an evolving one. They have embraced capitalism but with a particular state oriented control that keeps a lid on much pf the corruption and incompetence which plagues the Western model. China has not failed in its Communist model and nor does it rely on Western capitalism anymore than that is all there is to trade with.

  20. @Scotto

    Depends on exactly how you define “communism”. If China is allowed as “communist” (or at least “State controlled capitalism”) then it’s success is unequivocal. In 3 decades literally hundreds of millions have been taken out of poverty & raised to a relatively middle class level. This is an unsurpassed historical achievement.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  21. Tom Welsh says:

    Yesterday I watched, for the first time, John Carpenter’s movie “They Live”. It is about a USA where the majority are increasingly impoverished and desperate. A small group of rebels have discovered the reason: the entire Earth has been taken over by humanoid aliens from distant stars, who desire to keep their existence secret.

    The rebels make special sunglasses and contact lenses that allow the wearer to see the hideous real faces of the aliens, and also to read the real text underlying posters, billboards and media: Obey, Consume, Do Not Ask Questions…

    The movie does a wonderful job of subverting one’s ideas about “terrorists”, as the human freedom fighters are hunted down and killed as “terrorists” – yet the viewer is bound to be on their side.

    It also asks a fundamental question: how many human beings, offered wealth and privilege to collaborate with the aliens, would accept?

    Sadly, the answer is “most of those who are offered the opportunity”. In the movie scenario, as in the real world, money rules. And those who have had the foresight to equip themselves with ultimate counterfeiting racket have an immense advantage.

  22. As usual the Saker has written a highly perceptive article.
    His points that Russia etc have limited means to fight back directly against US thuggery.
    They must play the long game.
    De-dollarize. Protect allies as best they can (ie Syria, Iran ) build militaries focused on cost/benefits.
    The Saker is right that at some point countries will have to unite to stand up to the bully.
    What Saker doesn’t focus on in this article (he’s done so in many others) on the increasing self contradictions in the US itself. As many have pointed out, the US now applies it’s foreign thuggishness to its own people. Barely a day passes without an Unz article dealing with the ugly mess which is the US today.
    The thug will fall from both inside & outside forces.

  23. Realist says:
    @Scotto

    The Saker has identified and characterized the problem and that is what must first be done before any solutions can be put forth.

    The Saker is one of many who have stated the problem…without giving a solution. By now the problem is pretty obvious, even to some of the most obtuse.

    Perhaps it’s up to the many of us to begin a discussion of probable and possible solutions?

    That would be refreshing. Damn few on this blog have ventured a solution. As I have said here before, the solution to America’s problem is not more elections. The electoral system in this country is corrupt and controlled by a few elites…the Deep State.
    What’s your solution?

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @HarvardSqEddy
  24. It is time for Sovereign and Freedom respecting countries of the World to start rewarding kidnapping and piracy practicing countries under five headed beast in kind.
    They will not stop if allowed to terrorize without cost in life and property.
    God Bless ALL resistance fighters.

  25. Smith says:
    @Scotto

    Lawl, we can’t even stop kidnapping done by civilians, let alone state-funded kidnapping done by military force.

    But you can somehow reduce the risks by:
    – arming the population
    – having a strong military
    – nukes.

  26. The article,

    Finally, while thuggery can seem attractive to people with sociopathic inclinations, most human beings need a higher ideal than just unbridled consumption to inspire them. Communism had (and I would argue, still has) this ability. Capitalism does not.

    What if consumerism is enough, and base psychology of utmost satisfaction? Better then religion very alike religion.

    Noticed a new element in the Saker narrative. Consumerism(at the low end of society) as a factor in the West. That`s a bravo. …there is the obvious bend though. What if consumerism, at the high end, “crowing on a pile of dung´´, what finance proposes, real estate, resources taken from “nowhere´´, as tools to distance the human blob from their gilded ghettos can shelter under the nomer.

    What if this is not a Western phenomenon, but a global one. China and Russia bring nothing new to the table, as policies go, communism and capitalism are rather similar. All for the few, the few for themselves. The “all´´ anesthetized by morose existences, chemically and digitally induced.

    What if a growing global population is in itself a tool of control. Control of scarcity, tweaks beyond the stale trick of finance. As soon as the believe system of money collapses, crude tweaks to population, migrations, will take over as dominant tools, as of yet this has of course accellerated.

    As a last one, what if a Jewish minuscule minority can amass such power, would the Whities need to play the numbers game as to Muslims, and any immigrants, the proliferate breeders to be considered the enemy? Would it not be sensible to seek the enemy where it is. Themselves. The numb consumerism of the working classes. The trucks to haul blobs of fat to shopping malls. They are not the bedrock of sensible elites and role models. Drive out of power anything that compromises the long term quality prospects of society. Drive, not whine. The Western elites compromised by Jewish power, because they are not up to the game, must go. The middle classes of White America, is the closest thing to whores, amassing in analog brothels. Consumerism as it stands is heroin to the global masses, and consequently their demise. That is to be called “upwards mobility´´.

    Good new angle Saker, now work on your consumerism, define and give room in your vocabulary.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  27. padre says:
    @Smith

    How full of yourself you are!Communism is an idea,and idea can not be defeated!Othervise you wouldn’t be bringing it up time and time again!

    • Replies: @Smith
  28. onebornfree says: • Website

    More fantastical pro-commie, “communism will save the world” horseshit for all of the mental-midget commies here to mentally masturbate over. It never ends 🙁

    “…..The economists had entirely demolished the fantastic delusions of the socialist utopians. The deficiencies of the classical system prevented them from comprehending why every socialist plan must be unrealizable; but they knew enough to demonstrate the futility of all socialist schemes produced up to their time. The communist ideas were done for. The socialists [were absolutely unable to raise any objection to the devastating criticism of their schemes and to advance any argument in their favor. It seemed as if socialism was dead forever.

    Only one way could lead the socialists out of this impasse. They could attack logic and reason and substitute mystical intuition for ratiocination. It was the historical role of Karl Marx to propose this solution…

    There was … the main obstacle to overcome: the devastating criticism of the economists. Marx had a solution at hand. Human reason, he asserted, is constitutionally unfitted to find truth. The logical structure of mind is different with various social classes. There is no such thing as a universally valid logic. What mind produces can never be anything but “ideology,” that is, in the Marxian terminology, a set of ideas disguising the selfish interests of the thinker’s own social class. Hence, the “bourgeois” mind of the economists is utterly incapable of producing more than an apology for capitalism. The teachings of “bourgeois” science, an offshoot of “bourgeois” logic, are of no avail for the proletarians, the rising class destined to abolish all classes and to convert the earth into a Garden of Eden.

    But, of course, the logic of the proletarians is not merely a class logic. “The ideas of proletarian logic are not party ideas, but emanations of logic pure and simple.” Moreover, by virtue of a special privilege, the logic of certain elect bourgeois is not tainted with the original sin of being bourgeois. Karl Marx, the son of a well-to-do lawyer, married to the daughter of a Prussian noble, and his collaborator Frederick Engels, a wealthy textile manufacturer, never doubted that they themselves were above the law and, notwithstanding their bourgeois background, were endowed with the power to discover absolute truth……”

    Ludwig Von Mises, from “HumanAction” :https://mises.org/library/human-action-0

    No regards, onebornfree

  29. @obwandiyag

    Capitalism birthed Communism, at least the Soviet Bolshevik version:

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  30. The rise of the Democratic Party since 1965 has very little to do with Anglo-Saxons….in fact, it has 0 to do with Anglo-Saxon Power…..What will you call a Kamala Harris Presidency?

    Is Kamala Harris’s Democratic Party Voting Bloc an expression of Anglo Saxon Power?

    Is Elizabeth Warren’s Democratic Party Voting Bloc an expression of Anglo Saxon Power?

  31. @Smith

    … USA should stop accepting chinese students for the simple case of technological and cultural theft.

    Yes, but the Chinese students pay full-freight-tuition and are a key part of keeping academia on board the progressive gravy train.

  32. Amon says:
    @renfro

    Those emails sounds an awful lot like the “Save you” e-mail scams plaguing the net these days in which unknown persons uses an old password linked to an e-mail account to threaten between $600 to $1600 in crypto currency out of any unlucky fool by saving they have recordings of their victim satisfying themselves.

    Maybe both are written by the same state department.

  33. Amon says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Communism is the production of useless shit for the sake of production.

    Capitalism is the production of useless shit for the sake of profits.

    And both systems heavily depends on cheap, slave labor imported from distant regions to keep costs and unrest down.

  34. Just a note on the saker’s side note: There is a difference between capitalism and crony-capitalism. Even Paul Craig Roberts doesn’t seem to get this (and if he does he does not explain himself well at all). There is no utopia on earth, but capitalism-free markets remains the best system in the universe. When centralized govt and capitalism are combined you have the present USA. As with religion, a strict separation of govt and free markets should be strived for. It is crony-capitalism that is bad.

  35. It was mention that this is what the bolsheviks did in Russia, well we are under bolshevik rule here in the zio/US and have been since 1913 with the fastening onto America with the zionist banking kabals privately owned FED and IRS and that was the end of our so called freedom and the beginning of debt and wars and destruction all for the zionist NWO satanic agenda.

    If proof of this is needed, look no farther than the Israeli and zio/US attack on the WTC on 911 where some 3ooo Americans were murdered by the zionists to get America to destroy the mideast , that is total power, total control and total satanic rule over America, where our gutless congress aka the lower house of the knesset grovels in front of the zionists feet!

    God help us!

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  36. Bangla (stan) Desh doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the “Hegemon?” You go girl!

    • Replies: @lysias
  37. Agent76 says:

    July 6, 2019 Obama: Front Man for Washington’s Imperialism

    A current example is Jeremy Kuzmarov’s assessment of Obama, Obama’s Unending Wars. The forty-fourth president comes across as a successful front man for corporate rule and Washington’s imperialism.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/07/06/obama-front-man-for-washingtons-imperialism/

    Jul 22, 2009 Speaker Pelosi on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Budget

    Discipline Today, the House passed the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act 2009 (HR 2920) by a vote of 265-166.

    Jan 20, 2017 Here’s how much debt the US government added under President Obama

    Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 – just before Obama took office – stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000. As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/national-debt-deficit-added-under-president-barack-obama-2017-1

    • Replies: @alexander
  38. denk says:
    @Vidi

    In case you havent noticed,
    ‘Smith’ is a new boy, or rather new id here, who call himself ‘Vietnamese’.

    people like him will fall for anything bad about China cuz that’s his agenda.

    YOu can take a look on the recent Hong Kong threads/

    • Replies: @Vidi
  39. Guibus says:

    It’s not a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of Jewishness, in the the sense that killing, attacking, cheating… will be used whenever someone or some state goes against them and their satanic plan of world domination. They’ve been using it for more than 3000 years, and will always use it whenever they think it’ll advance their agenda.

  40. Vojkan says:
    @Realist

    In order to raise people’s awareness about the situation so that more minds can think of ways to solve it?

    • Replies: @Realist
  41. Realist says:
    @Vojkan

    In order to raise people’s awareness about the situation so that more minds can think of ways to solve it?

    There is no one on this blog that isn’t aware of the situation. When will these ‘more minds’ come up with a solution?

  42. Moi says:
    @HEREDOT

    Most Americans are emotionally unbalanced.

  43. Al Liguori says: • Website

    @Saker

    What “double and triple standards” do you consider “features” of the Papacy?

  44. Pindos says:

    This is chess. And there are acceptable losses.

  45. FvS says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Communism has never existed as defined by Marx and Engels. It might be more accurate to say the Cold War was between oligarchical state socialism (arguably capitalism) vs. democratic neoliberal capitalism.

  46. Shadow says:

    The claws of totalitarianism sink in rather painlessly. Removing them is a very painful process.

  47. @DESERT FOX

    You still don’t get the difference between illusion and reality. Nine eleven is a Psy-Op and it was a crime. Yes buildings were blown up and the gullible public thinks it was Muslim terrorists. But it was not “Muslim Terrorists” and there were no hijacked planes and not 3,000 victims. The planes and the victims were fake. Yes, somebody must have gotten hurt, but hurting real people was not the point. The point was to create an illusion for political ends and at the same time make a lot of money through fraud. And of course to demolish un-needed buildings on the cheap and make the public pay for it. An even greater problem is the willing collusion of the US government and the American media to deceive the people. Buying half the lie is half as good as buying the whole lie. Or is your business to perpetrate the lie by making it look as if you are denying it?

    • Agree: Jonathan Revusky
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  48. @ploni almoni

    Read my comments, 911 was done jointly by Israel and zionists in the zio/US government, your comment does not make any sense in regards to what I have said.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  49. @Nonny

    This place didn’t have any homeless.

    But was easier to get out of,

  50. peterAUS says:
    @PetrOldSack

    … The numb consumerism of the working classes. The trucks to haul blobs of fat to shopping malls. They are not the bedrock of sensible elites and role models. Drive out of power anything that compromises the long term quality prospects of society. Drive, not whine. The Western elites compromised by Jewish power, because they are not up to the game, must go. The middle classes of White America, is the closest thing to whores, amassing in analog brothels….

    Well…who’s left then? Underclass ?!

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    , @PetrOldSack
  51. Looks like Saker is starting to see the light. French commune lasted 70 days. USSR 70 years. Third time is a charm. Cadres question and that of power should be taken care of next time in consistent manner. Garbage should be taken out regularly.

  52. The Saker is apt in making comparisons with the Second World War, as ‘imperial hubris’ threatens us with another. Hegemonic power is the driving force, driving us towards the abyss.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  53. Toy says:
    @obwandiyag

    Capitalism doesn’t even really exist, and never will. All Fortune 500 are on welfare (too big to fail) and most of them got where they are by government contracts. Hmm government regulation in this economy of corporations? Isn’t that socialism? And these clowns want less government? Lmfao.
    But I agree, give these parasites less of our government-provided taxes and let them fail as they should.
    Corporations once served their nations by producing useful stuff, but now they are just elaborate wealth transfer mechanisms in which you swap your wealth for cheap chinese junk. They skim shekels off the human livestock, and you get some absolutely useless piece of shiny plastic. Monkey like.

  54. @DESERT FOX

    A half truth is a half lie. Yes, of course, it was Mossad and the US government including that of New York City. But when you talk about 3,000 Americans killed you are counting people in airplanes that did not exist and offices that were empty. The buildings were demolished by explosives planted inside the buildings, and set off after they thought most persons were evacuated. But they could only allow one hour for that since they had only so much butane to keep up the illusion of fires, and at some point the Fire Dept would have to stop pretending that they were putting out fires and actually put them out. The World Trade Center was, in fact, 80% empty and non-occupied to begin with. The Empire State Building is pretty empty right now, also. Wait and see what creative solution they will come up with for that, since normal legal demolition would be extremely costly. That was one of the reasons why the authorities were perfectly happy to blow up the WTC. Win-Win for the criminals lose-lose for the people. But if there were NOT 3,000 Americans killed on 9/11 (there had to be a few) there is no question that millions were killed in the wars that followed and still go on, or don’t you think the others are human beings?

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  55. The Faker says:

    >we pirate

    You’re masons, duh.

    Eventually you can’t pay mastercard with visa though.

  56. @ploni almoni

    I stand by what I said, and if you want to know how it was done, go to drjudywood.com.

  57. They have kidnapped our country by stealth.
    Ponzi promised the ignorant and gullible
    Great riches won through corporate wealth
    And endless war fought by the lost and fungible.
    They call it democracy and free elections,
    Where it’s nothing but media misdirections.

  58. As usual The Saker tries to insult his betters by implying that the Zionists infesting the US are Anglos instead of the Slavs, usually with Russian birthplaces, that they actually are.

    • Agree: Alden
  59. Republic says:

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/China.html

    The Chinese have been engaging in some dubious activity in regard to the arbitrary enforcement of local laws, making travel there very dangerous for US citizens

    Chinese authorities have asserted broad authority to prohibit U.S. citizens from leaving China by using ‘exit bans,’ sometimes keeping U.S. citizens in China for years. China uses exit bans coercively:
    • to compel U.S. citizens to participate in Chinese government investigations,
    • to lure individuals back to China from abroad, and
    • to aid Chinese authorities in resolving civil disputes in favor of Chinese parties.
    In most cases, U.S. citizens only become aware of the exit ban when they attempt to depart China, and there is no method to find out how long the ban may continue. U.S. citizens under exit bans have been harassed and threatened.
    U.S. citizens may be detained without access to U.S. consular services or information about their alleged crime. U.S. citizens may be subjected to prolonged interrogations and extended detention for reasons related to “state security.” Security personnel may detain and/or deport U.S. citizens for sending private electronic messages critical of the Chinese government.

    • Replies: @Biff
  60. renfro says:
    @Scotto

    ”Perhaps it’s up to the many of us to begin a discussion of probable and possible solutions?”

    Can we agree that overall…”Its The Corruption Stupid”.

    Can we agree that our Foreign Policy War corruption problem is Israel’s Fifth Column in the US.

    Can we agree that our Domestic problems are caused by a corrupt..”Pay to Play ‘ … political system.

    Can we agree that the old adage …’The Squeaky Wheel Gets the Grease”….is accurate.

    Can everyone understand that it does no good to rant against the ‘Shadow Government’, The Swamp, the CIA, the FBI, the Federal Bank, ETC.. because you/we as a individuals have No Access to them.

    Can everyone understand that The Only access to government you/we have is thru congress, our elected representatives even though they generally pay no attention to our complaints.

    Can everyone understand that the Dems and Repubs differ only in Who They Pander to for money and votes and you will have nothing but a Perpetual See-Saw of Policies overturning previous policies as the parties take their turns in power by playing the populace off against each other.

    Soooo…..if you agree to these facts what can you do?

    You Declare War on the Politicians.

    Every time AIPAC meets they have 18,000 people in attendance who go straight to the Hill the next day to lobby their representatives for Israel. Every time any bill for Israel is made up in congress they have a phone tree of thousands of Jews calling their politician to push it.

    Can you find 1800 people who will bring in 10 more people each to start the War on Politicians and emulate what the Jews do for Israel?….it shouldn’t be hard and if so there is your 18,000 people army for a start. If you employ the word Traitor it wont be necessary to raise bribe money as the Jews do because the accusation ‘Traitor ‘ deployed by a group strikes more Fear in a politician than anti semite or the loss of campaign money.

    What do you do about the domestic corruption since you cant match the Elite donors lobby money in this war ? You do the same Beat Up of the Politicians as you do to them on Israel and its Fifth Column.
    What about the simple minded people who will stick to their ‘party’ and not join the Anti Corruption Army? Out fanatic them….be the loudest Squeaky Wheel.

    I have wonder why the organizations like IfAmericansKnew and the National Interest Council haven’t done this and conclude that they are afraid their organizations would be destroyed if they did this and thereby prevent them from dissimilating the information on US-Israel that they do.

    But there is someone out there that could kick start this. Where is he or she?

  61. Vidi says:
    @Realist

    Why write about a situation with no solution?

    The first step to solving a problem is to admit that there’s a problem. And the second step is to describe the problem accurately. The Saker has taken both of these crucial steps.

    My advice is simply to let time (and the U.S.’s steadily growing list of bitter enemies) take its course. Let the U.S. go the way Cesare Borgia went.

    • Replies: @Realist
  62. alexander says:
    @Agent76

    Your debt numbers are correct, under Obama……However, you forgot to include the Bush II catastrophic “Iraq war debt”, which was kept “off the books” until after Obama took office.

    Once Obama declared he would not “re-litigate the Iraq war” (as though it had ever been litigated in the first place) and once he stated he would “look forward and not backward”…. Four trillion of heinous Iraq war debt mysteriously appeared on the books.

    The national debt jumped from 9.9 trillion to 14 trillion within the first two years of the Obama administration.

    Under Obama the national debt increased by 5 trillion over 8 years, add in the 4 trillion “bonus” holdover from Bush jr. and you get your whopping 9 trillion.

    Between the two administrations, and the six “wars of choice” (which the taxpayers never even asked for)
    The US National debt grew by a whopping 14 trillion dollars in a mere 16 years.

    This level of “overspending” is wholly unprecedented in US History.

    It averages out to over 800 billion in “overspending” every year since 2000.

    The entire accumulated national debt , up to the year 2000, was a meager 5.6 trillion in comparison.

    In other words, if you add up ALL the debt from ALL the wars we fought between 1776 and 2000,(a 224 year period) they add up to a meager THIRD of what these administrations , under Neocon tutelage,overspent in “only” sixteen years .

    If you consider that nearly all these “neocon wars” had been based on phony pretexts , fraudulent premises, and “out right” lies, one could argue they have functioned as nothing other than the greatest criminal assault on taxpayer wealth ……in all of US history .

    It is as shameful as it is tragic.

  63. renfro says:

    Hehehe…..so Isr’merica how you gonna keep Turkey from nuclear weapons, sanction it to death also?…..rotflmao.

    Erdogan hints at nuclear ambitions for Turkey

    Speaking on the 100th anniversary of the Sivas Congress, which laid the groundwork for Turkey’s independence, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said it was unacceptable for nuclear-armed countries to prevent Ankara from developing nuclear weapons.
    “Several countries have missiles with nuclear warheads, not one or two. But we can’t have them. This I cannot accept,” Erdogan told an audience of his supporters including Justice and Development Party members late Wednesday evening.
    “There is no developed nation in the world that doesn’t have them,” he added, though just nine countries currently posses nuclear arms capabilities: the United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China, India, Pakistan and, though technically unconfirmed, Israel and North Korea.

    Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/09/erdogan-turkey-wants-nuclear-weapons.html#ixzz5yyfWz9Hj

  64. renfro says:

    Trumpism has now met the definition of a Cult. LOL

    Trump family building ‘dynasty’ for decades to come

    INDIAN WELLS, Calif. (AP) — President Donald Trump’s campaign manager predicted Saturday that the president and his family will become “a dynasty that will last for decades,” transforming the…
    apnews.com

  65. Richard B says:
    @animalogic

    And it was done by Jewish Supremacy Inc. exporting American production and the economy that goes with it to China.

    Then having the US military in Afghanistan guard the poppy fields so that JSI’s gangsters could send the herion to China to be processed into various opiods (a multibillion dollar business) shipped to Mexico and walked across the border using children as shields so the drugs could be sold to the now unemployed in rural America as a way to finish them off once and for all (the past few years have averaged 40,000+ per year).

    All validated by the High Priests of Political Correctness of the MSM and Education (all owned and controlled by JSI).

    JSI knew it couldn’t pull a Bolshevik Redux. So, to survive (off the carcass of someone else, as always) it had to come up with new and improved ways to do what it does best; infiltrate, subvert, divide, disintegrate and destroy.

    Then again, what else is it going to do? Since it’s obviously incapable of building anything lasting.

    Never has and never will.

    So what you laughably sentimentalize as an “unsurpassed historical achievement” is actually part of the world’s largest criminal enterprise.

    There’s one born every minute.

  66. Richard B says:

    In 3 decades literally hundreds of millions have been taken out of poverty & raised to a relatively middle class level. This is an unsurpassed historical achievement.

    And it was done by Jewish Supremacy Inc. exporting American production and the economy that goes with it to China.

    Then having the US military in Afghanistan guard the poppy fields so that JSI’s gangsters could send the herion to China to be processed into various opiods (a multibillion dollar business) shipped to Mexico and walked across the border using children as shields so the drugs could be sold to the now unemployed in rural America as a way to finish them off once and for all (the past few years have averaged 40,000+ opiod related deaths a year).

    All validated by the High Priests of Political Correctness of the MSM and Education (owned and controlled by JSI).

    The host population of the USA has not controlled the country for 100+ years.

    The USA = JSI

    JSI knew it couldn’t pull a Bolshevik Redux. So, to survive (off the carcass of someone else, as always) it had to come up with new and improved ways to do what it does best; infiltrate, subvert, divide, disintegrate and destroy.

    Then again, what else is it going to do? Since it’s obviously incapable of building anything lasting.

    Never has and never will.

    So what you laughably sentimentalize as an “unsurpassed historical achievement” is actually part of the world’s largest criminal enterprise.

    There’s one born every minute.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  67. Pamela Anderson rebuts Megan McCain on the kidnapping of Julian Assange…

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  68. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    While I agree with most of the author’s opinions on the US and how capitalism is doomed to failure because of its being tied to constant growth, I totally disagree with him on communism. Communism is just as rotten a system as capitalism because it’s based on flawed logic about human nature. Communism denies the reality of human differences, it wants to shape every man into the same mold, it takes the top down to the lowest common denominator, stifling the most productive and the smartest and denying those that are more productive to make more money. People are best motivated by self-interest and when the abilities of the gifted ones are allowed to flower, they can produce amazing things. Communism, because it doesn’t allow people to pursue their personal goals, ends up creating a gray mass of persons that don’t care about anything, they mouth the propaganda of the state but don’t believe in it. A few resist the system and pursue their personal goals in private. Such as system is doomed to failure. Capitalism, on the other hand, allows persons to pursue their personal goals but unless controlled, tends to exploit other human beings that aren’t as gifted or connected with the rich and powerful. Unrestrained capitalism is just as soul-destroying for the man-on-the-street as communism because the dignity of the individual is not respected. An extreme example of this would be the individuals that lived in the company towns of West Virginia where your rent was taken out of your company salary and you could only buy from the “company store”. Life in Soviet “company” towns was eerily similar. The evils of capitalism were somewhat restrained by the formation of unions and government regulations limiting the power of the companies over the individual. Sadly much of the ugly capitalism of the 19th century has come back with the weakening of the unions and the rise of ghastly mega-corporations like Walmart, Google, and Amazon and their cozy relationship with the government. One could call this crony-capitalism where the rights of the individual are not even given consideration by the CEO’s and their cronies in government. Both systems are bad and lead to the same things such as environmental destruction, disregard for the rights of the individual, gray uninteresting cities and culture, increasing depression and suicide and the increase in self-destructive behavior such as drinking, drug abuse, gambling and, pornography addiction.

  69. Roger Waters leads protest to free Julian Assange…

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  70. renfro says:

    Boo Hoo Hoo….Obama done me wrong !!. Good for Obama. The way to deal with Zionist Jews is to treat them the same way they treat others, Take the money, lie and agree to a agreement. Then violate the agreement.
    I live for the day when a President ‘s State of the Union speech goes like this…..”I want to thank the Jewish Lobbies for Israel for their enormous campaign donations to me and the WS Hedge funds for their donations and the many corporations donations to me. I really appreciate everything you all did to help me to the WH . But things have changed now that I have become President and have the power of the bully pulpit. So, sorry boys, but all the deals I made for the money are now off.”

    Dershowitz: Obama broke his promises to me on Israel

    ”Renowned law professor Alan Dershowitz says Obama’s parting decision to allow the U.N. to condemn Israel for “occupying the Western Wall” was “abominable.”

  71. @SeekerofthePresence

    Roger Waters performs “Wish You Were Here” in support of Julian Assange…

  72. @SeekerofthePresence

    War (What Is It Good For?) — Edwin Starr

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  73. d dan says:

    America’s thuggish behavior is actually even more alarming and widespread. In addition to the cases this author mentions, please read the “American Trap” by Frédéric Pierucci, which documents even more cases of American legal and extraterritorial overreach. Unfortunately, I think the book is currently available only(?) in French and Chinese (the later became instant best seller after the arrest of Huawei CFO). Sounds like few publishers are interested in getting it to American audience?

    In addition, there are also disturbing increase of wrongful prosecution, plus many cases of employment dismissals, discrimination and other forms of oppression, especially in the high tech and research areas against American Chinese (including an Canadian Chinese researcher – at the request of American authority!)

  74. renfro says:

    Do you want to know who told Acosta that Jeffery Epstein was ‘intelligence’ and to leave him alone?

    Remember the Israeli bitch , Sigal Mandelker , we discussed on another thread who is in charge of sanctioning countries at US Treasury? Yep it was she…question now answered.

    Treasury Departments Sigal Mandelker
    https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/03/pro-israel-sigal-mandelker-fbi-americans-iran/
    (excerpt)

    ”I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” Alex Acosta, the former US attorney who brokered the deal, told the Trump administration’s transition team.
    In 2008, while Mandelker served in Bush’s Department of Justice, she approved the notorious deal that allowed the wealthy child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein to escape federal prosecution.”

    Jeffery Epstein
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-bail-hearing-20190715-x2oztbwjkbcdrho7ae73vhmzvy-story.html

    ”Weinberg noted that the agreement was approved by Sigal Mandelker and Mark Filip, who at the time were senior officials in the Department of Justice. Mandelker is now an under secretary at the Treasury Department. Filip is now a partner at the law firm Kirkland & Ellis….”

  75. Abbybwood says:

    So….The United States of America IS the “policeman of the world”, eh?

    I am just trying to remember when “the world” hired them??!

    D’Oh!

  76. Smith says:
    @padre

    Yeah, it can be defeated when so-called communists ask for foreign investment and love to “free trade”.

  77. Vidi says:
    @denk

    In case you havent noticed,
    ‘Smith’ is a new boy, or rather new id here, who call himself ‘Vietnamese’.

    people like him will fall for anything bad about China cuz that’s his agenda.

    Hi denk, good to see you again. (I have been busy.) Thanks for the warning about Smith.

    YOu can take a look on the recent Hong Kong threads/

    I will read those threads.

  78. tac says:

    Indeed, it is a global phenomenon. Wherever one goes – Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States – there is a well-organized and funded lobby ready, willing and able to go to war to protect Israel. Most of the organizations involved take at least some direction from officials in Tel Aviv. Many of them even cooperate fully with the Israeli government, its parastatal organizations and faux-NGOs like the lawfare center Shurat HaDin. Their goal is to spread propaganda and influence the public in their respective countries of residence to either hew to the line coming out of Tel Aviv or to confuse the narrative and stifle debate when potential Israeli crimes are being discussed.

    Israel’s diaspora allies are backed up by a formidable government organized machine that spews out disinformation and muddies the waters whenever critics surface. The Israeli Foreign Ministry has a corps of paid “volunteers” who monitor websites worldwide and take remedial action and there is a similar group working out of the Prime Minister’s office. That is why any negative story appearing in the U.S. about Israel is immediately inundated with pro-Israel comments, many of which make exactly the same coordinated points while exhibiting the same somewhat less than perfect English. On sites like Yahoo they are actually able to suppress unwelcome comments by flooding the site with “Dislike” responses. If a comment receives a large number of dislikes, it is automatically blocked or removed.

    The sayanim, local Jews in their countries of residence, are essential to this process, having been alerted by emails from the Israeli Foreign Ministry about what to do and say. The reality is that Israel has lost the war of public opinion based on its own actions, which are becoming more and more repressive and even inhumane and so are difficult to explain. That means that the narrative has to be shifted by Israel’s friends through subterfuge and the corruption of the information process in each country. In some places the key media and political players who are engaged in the process can simply be bought. In other places they can be intimidated or pressured into taking positions that are neither in their own countries’ interests nor morally acceptable. In large countries like the United States, Britain and France a combination of friendly suasion and coercive elements often come together.

    In all cases, the objective is the same: to repress or misrepresent any criticism of Israel and to block any initiatives that might be taken that would do damage either to the Israeli economy or to the country’s perceived standing in the world. In some countries Israel’s advocates work right out in the open and are highly successful in implementing policies that often remain largely hidden but that can be discerned as long as one knows what to look for.

    Recent Israel Lobby activity in the United States has included legislation at state levels to make illegal divestment from Israel or to promote boycott of Israeli products….

    https://www.mondialisation.ca/israels-international-conspiracy/5506984

  79. Smith says:
    @Vidi

    How exactly? This is what your article writes:
    “He “disappeared” from Hong Kong’s luxury Four Seasons Hotel on January 27 last year and was “persuaded” to return to the mainland to help with investigations relating to China’s stock market.

    The South China Morning Post reported that five men had entered Xiao’s 28th-floor serviced flat just after 1am and left two hours later with the billionaire.

    Hong Kong police records show that about 12 hours later, Xiao passed through border control at the Lok Ma Chau crossing that links the city to Shenzhen in Guangdong province.

    Xiao was reported missing by his family on January 28. The next day, they told police he had called to say he was safe. The Chinese authorities have not confirmed Xiao’s whereabouts.”
    Sound exactly like a kidnapping to me.

    The fact his family asked for HK police to investigate AND then withdrew the request sounds like they fear for his safety, because he’s already confirmed to be apprehended by China.

    How do you change this into the guy “vanishing” on his own?

    This speaks volume of the “need” for extradition bill when China can just come and kidnap people like this.

  80. Realist says:
    @Vidi

    The first step to solving a problem is to admit that there’s a problem. And the second step is to describe the problem accurately. The Saker has taken both of these crucial steps.

    The problem was established long ago…time for a solution.

  81. idealogul says: • Website

    OOOOh MY GOD! Such a lame article.

    Iuliu Caesar used the method of capturing the children of the Gallic and Lusitanian chiefs of tribes. Romans use this tactics continously. The Roman Empire prospered 500 years after this so called “sign of weakness”.
    At the beginning of the fifteenth century the Oroman Empire allready used this method on a large scale. Vlad The Impaler and his brother Radu were hostages in Istanbul, their father was the ruler of Walachia and the turcs use his sons to kept him in check. After this proof of weakness, the Ottoman Empire grew and prospered almost 500 years ago.
    So to understand the American Empire has another 500 years to live and Mr. Sacker is the greatest prophet of mankind because he foresees the collapse of the American Empire 500 years earlier?

    Actually is the other way around. A nation is weak when anybody can paralize the country and make the nation do what ever he want just by taking 1 (ONE) prisoner. It doesn’t matter who it is the hostage.
    Hernando Pizzaro brought the Peruan Empire to its knees by capturing a single man.

    Imagine that Putin dies and Eltsin type of guy came to power. In 5 year russians will eat each other like cannibals AGAIN. Putin type are very rare.

    Imagine that Trump dies and Eltsin type of guy came to power. In 5 year SUA will be more powerfull than today.

    Even the Saker admits that Russia has nothing to gain by capturing hostages. USA is a democracy and “hostages tactics” is a major weakness of the tyrannical societies.

  82. The Muslim “Americans” did 9/11…and Paul Craig Roberts is a crazy old bastard if he believes otherwise…

    • Disagree: DESERT FOX
  83. lysias says:
    @Realist

    The solution is to adopt the ancient Athenian system of chooosing representatives and officials by lot from the whole body of citizens.

    • Replies: @Realist
  84. ‘Mass Media’ is Massacre Media.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  85. lysias says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    Also conspicuously absent from that long list of countries with which the U.S. has extradution treaties: Israel.

    Hmm, I wonder where Ghislaine Maxwell and Jean Luc Brunel are.

    • Replies: @lysias
  86. lysias says:
    @lysias

    I must correct myself. I just looked again at that list, and Israel is there, just not with the other I countries.

  87. Realist says:
    @lysias

    The solution is to adopt the ancient Athenian system of chooosing representatives and officials by lot from the whole body of citizens.

    Wouldn’t work in large populations.

    The rich always debase all forms of democracy.

    • Replies: @lysias
  88. sally says:
    @obwandiyag

    Capitalism requires that the state maintain a monopoly free, highly competitive, interactive, low entry barrier environment to facilitate unplanned innovation, real competition, and to allow innovation to flourish. In capitalism giant successes are sometimes instantly destroyed by disruptive technologies, such threat of disruption to a major industry is the essence of competitive capitalism.

    The nation state is an armed, rule-making environmental controlled people container. When government becomes the agent of third parties or elite groups and its leaders use that agency to impose behavioral control on the humans locked inside, the environment can be manipulated so that it can develop multiple-many subgroups and so that it can sort the containerized persons into these subgroups and then polarize the sub-grouped people as a means to control their behaviors and as a means to also reduce the awesome power of the masses to nil <=by the use of the law of cancellation. Ex. 9 people, one is elected leader, leader develops something controversial, and so 4 people take side A, four take side B, at vote time, all A votes cancel all B votes, and the leaders vote is the only effective vote.

    When the nation state becomes the major agent[or platform] of monopolism, capitalism degrades to economic zionism. EZ allows no competition, takes no prisoners, is global in scope, uses government to help it take, buy or destroy all it can reach especially if that "it" might some day become a competitor.

    The USA, Briton and other western partnered states have since 1948 not allowed free wheeling, shock and awe capitalism. These platform governments have used their courts, aligned their financing systems, imposed their federalism, and fostered their stock, bond and currency markets and banking systems, to deny private independent invention and free, fair and open competition. The platform governments create by rule of law, and by grant funding and public fund redirects, rules, organizations, and things that are designed to protect, to the few, monopoly rights and monopoly powers (copyright, patent, private franchise of government resources and services, and privatization of nearly every function of government). The USA has chased capitalism out of America and it has attempted to impose Economic Zionism on not only the governed Americans but also on the balance of people of the world.

    Saker has not grasped yet that capitalism in the west no longer exist.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    , @obwandiyag
  89. Biff says:
    @Republic

    That is exactly what one would say if you didn’t want your citizens going to certain places, and seeing certain things. A type of propaganda that ultimately censors.

  90. @peterAUS

    Will get back to your sharp remark. Not available right now. Thanks for your interest.

  91. lysias says:
    @Realist

    Why wouldn’t it work? Surely it would at least work better than our current system. The Athenian system had safeguards against corruption, which we could imitate and adapt.

    The Athenians had democracy, and it worked, and it was not debased by the rich. The whole point of their system was to limit the power of the rich, and the criticism of the system by rich Athenians like Plato, Pseudo-Xenophon, and the oligarchs who appear in Thucydides shows that this aim was achieved.

    • Replies: @Realist
  92. @sally

    There’s a lot Saker doesn’t grasp. He’s given far, far too much credit for knowing things he’s utterly clueless about. Saker’s hero is a thug and heads a thugocracy.

  93. Realist says:
    @lysias

    The Athenians had democracy, and it worked,…

    For how long?

    The Athenian system had safeguards against corruption, which we could imitate and adapt.

    So do we…how’s that working out?

    • Replies: @lysias
  94. Russia is pure, America is pure evil.

    All The Saker is really doing is projecting his binary religious ideas about the putative superiority of Orthodoxy over Catholicism into the geopolitical realm.

    Russia is teeming with evil dirtbag bastids which is why the guy lives in Florida

  95. “But there is nothing Russia (or China) can do to stop it, at least not for the foreseeable future.”

    Correction: There is nothing that they have the guts to do.

    If they actually had any guts, they would attack the evil empire in one of its weak spots, e.g. 9/11.

    With the publication of his study of the “collapse” of WTC7, Professor J. Leroy Hulsey just gave the world a hammer with which to beat the evil empire over the head.

    If Vladimir Putin had any guts he would address the UN citing Hulsey’s conclusions and demand an international investigation into 9/11.

    Hulsey’s study implicitly proves U.S. government complicity in the 9/11 terror attack, thus the U.S. government is a terrorist organization and should be publicly labeled as such.

    The evil orange clown needs to be put on the spot as the 2020 election looms. The evil clown likes to dish it out, but can he take it? I think not.

  96. lysias says:
    @Realist

    How long? The Athenian system worked for nearly 200 years of Athenian independence, until the city was beaten by Philip and Alexander and Athens became a satellite first of Macedon, then of various Hellenistic monarchies, finally of Rome. While Athens was a satellite, there were alternating periods of democratic and oligarchic rule, but Athens kept returning to the old democratic system, until Sulla abolished it once and for all around 90 B.C. So we’re talking about a period of over four centuries.

    The reaction of the rich elites in Athens shows that the safeguards worked far better than those elites wanted.

  97. Realist says:

    …but Athens kept returning to the old democratic system,..

    .

    They are as stupid as current Western Civilization.

    So we’re talking about a period of over four centuries.

    Oh no we’re not it was less than less than 200 years, by your own admission.
    A person that has been married numerous times can not claim they have been married for a total of years to different spouses.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @lysias
  98. @sally

    Blahblahblah. Bullshit. And you didn’t even address my assertion. You just wanted to hear yourself talk like most of the morons on here.

  99. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read …it was less than 200 years…

    • Replies: @lysias
  100. lysias says:
    @Realist

    You might as well say that France does not have a 150-year history of democracy because of the four-year interruption of Vichy. The temporary period of plutocratic rule imposed by Antipater and Macedon after the Lamian War did not happen because of any weaknesses in the Athenian democratic system but because Athens was militarily besten by a stronger power.

    • Replies: @Realist
  101. lysias says:
    @Realist

    If we could get just 186 years of rule under the Athenian system (which is what Athens had before defeat in the Lamian War and the temporary imposition of plutocratic rule,) I would settle for that.

    Certainly better than the permanent plutocracy we have in the U.S. and other Western so-called “democracies”.

  102. Realist says:
    @lysias

    You might as well say that France does not have a 150-year history of democracy because of the four-year interruption of Vichy.

    I would, exactly.

    The temporary period of plutocratic rule imposed by Antipater and Macedon after the Lamian War did not happen because of any weaknesses in the Athenian democratic system but because Athens was militarily besten by a stronger power.

    The democratic system was not able to react quickly to the threat.

    • Replies: @lysias
  103. @peterAUS

    Humans scale very unlike data farms, historically humans did get an advantage out of it, individually, and collectively, at their respective group denominations. This seems not to be a linear advantage, as all issues show, from US immigration to climate change, it reflects in all policy making, the goal setting of our cherished elites, as much as our underclasses. Most humans are liabilities, and the systemics of human societies try to live with this. Wrong, and shortsighted. No historical templates at exception to our knowledge.

    The outliers only can produce some possible change. The classes and traditional break lines are all blurred by consumerism. Between smart and outright dim there is little margin.

    An insignificant percentage of the global population matters, to eventually offer quality of life to most humans, and the following generations. These are not the ones in charge.

    The above is the rational proposition, the psychological drift of mostly all goes against this. Never trust some-one that you do not sync emotionally with. Can be anything, the love of dogs, or women, food, family, but never the above.

    You were to the point, there are other comments that unveil the above mindset though, as not pulled out of thin air on our part.

  104. Vidi says:

    How exactly? This is what your article writes:
    “He “disappeared” from Hong Kong’s luxury Four Seasons Hotel on January 27 last year and was “persuaded” to return to the mainland to help with investigations relating to China’s stock market.

    If you omit the legal charges on the billionaire, you could make the case that Xiao Jianhua’s disappearance was a kidnapping. However, when the charges of stock manipulation and bribery are included, the probability swings overwhelmingly to voluntary avoidance of the law.

    The South China Morning Post reported that five men had entered Xiao’s 28th-floor serviced flat just after 1am and left two hours later with the billionaire.

    [etc.]

    Those five men were probably Xiao’s bodyguards.

    If Xiao was “kidnapped” to stand trial in Shanghai for his crimes, why hasn’t the trial gotten any coverage? It’s been over a year since his disappearance. Surely the trial of a billionaire is big news everywhere. But we have heard nothing. So Xiao is probably hiding from the law. And any assertion that he was “kidnapped” by Beijing is probably fake news.

    • Replies: @Smith
  105. lysias says:
    @Realist

    Athens certainly did react, more quickly than the Macedonians. The Lamian War was a revolt by Athens and other Greek cities against Macedonian hegemony, and the rebellious cities were winning the early stages of the war. Then, Macedonia reacted, and the tide turned.

  106. @Realist

    Good question, that. As Walt Kelly’s cartoon character POGO said: “We have met the enemy and he is us.” Another of Pogo’s quips: “The future sure ain’t what it used to be.” comes to mind. But it’s difficult to locate pragmatic advice in our censored/monitored digital domains. People are like deer in the headlights: frozen with fear. Americans are dying of lead-poisoning. I’m looking for the exits,

    • Replies: @lysias
  107. lysias says:
    @HarvardSqEddy

    I have offered an answer to The Realist’s question, but he rejects it, largely because Athenian democracy didn’t last as long as he would have liked. But I think 186 years is as long as one has a right to expect from a political system.

  108. Smith says:
    @Vidi

    Fact: Xiao is now being held in mainland China, waiting for trial.
    >The trial of Xiao Jianhua, the Chinese billionaire who vanished from a luxury Hong Kong hotel
    over the Lunar New Year break in 2017, won’t take place in China until the second half of this year as his former flagship company struggles to dispose of assets, two sources told the South China Morning Post.

    >Xiao had been expected to face court by the end of next month because the investigation had been completed and the case handed to prosecutors.

    >But one source familiar with the case said Tomorrow Group, the company Xiao founded, had run into “technical difficulties” unwinding its assets and needed more time.

    >A second source said the trial might take place in August or September.
    He did not vanish, in fact, it was a kidnapping because mainlanders can’t do anything to him when he’s in Hong Kong, that’s why they resort to kidnap him back to the mainland so they can put him on trial. The fact his trial isn’t publicized is because it hasn’t happened yet, and China itself doesn’t want to leak news of its domestic handling.

    You are assuming a lot of things and forming a story totally different from reality, JUST to defend Beijing’s straight out kidnapping.

  109. Communism in the USSR alone, killed an estimated median of 62 million, with a high estimate of 126 million (statistician R.J. Rummel). There is one courageous film director in Hollywood who actually made three feature length dramatic films on the subject. Hollywood blacklists his films into silence.


    Yet few in the public are aware of it. https://gulagfilms.org/

    .

  110. Beijinger says:

    Since I can’t google, I Baidu Communism:
    Communism is a kind of political viewpoint and ideological system. It originated in Germany. Today’s communism is based on Marx and Engels’ thoughts. Communism advocates the elimination of private ownership of means of production and the establishment of a society without class system, exploitation and oppression to realize human self-liberation. It is also a society of socialized collective mass production. It will also unite against the evil forces. Communists believe that in the future, all classes of society will eventually transit to a communist society where people can do their best and take what they need, and the ideology of human society will enter an advanced stage.

    That’s all about communism by definition in China. Nothing more. So anything else about communism can be redefined, open to discussions and amendments.

    As you can see, it’s an idea that has not been realized yet. Something not realized yet simply can not fail.
    Communism is a target, a prophecy, a theory about society development. It’s not a methodology. It’s about WHAT and WHY, not about HOW / WHEN / WHO.
    So people need to find out HOW by themselves. Someone failed to find it, someone is still trying to find the way, someone just don’t believe it, some others (owners of means of production, top figures of human class system, exploiters, evil forces and minions) hate communism more than anything.

    I am not an owner, not a top figure, not an exploiter, not evil, not a minion, so I don’t hate communism at all.

    Some minions might sincerely believe that they own something.
    A revolutionist would probably reply: LOL, you own nothing, slave. As long as there is a class system, as long as you don’t stand at the top of this evil system, you own nothing.

    Well, life is too short and fragile for any revolution, too short and weak for any huge target. Don’t ever expect something that huge to fail or success that easy.

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