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Today I have already posted the excellent analyses of the (possibly temporary) failure of the USA to submit Iran to its will: one by Alexander Mercouris, the other by Soraya Sepahpour Ulrich. I shall not repeat their very arguments here, mainly because both see this as a conflict between the USA and Iran, whereas I see that as a conflict between Israel and Iran in which Israel attempted, but failed, to get the USA to fight on its behalf. This is also, albeit to a lesser degree, a conflict opposing the House of Saud to Iran, and the KSA is the other big loser here. But first, let us look at the real causes of this confrontation.

First and foremost, I have never accepted the theory that the reason behind this was some kind of Iranian military nuclear program. While there is no doubt that Iran has been trying to master a host of nuclear technologies for many years, and while some of them could conceivable by used for military purposes, I am absolutely convinced that the US Israel Lobby and the Neocons have used this as a pretext to trigger a confrontation between Iran and the USA. Why do I say that? For two reasons:

First, there has never been any real evidence of an Iranian military nuclear program, but even more important is the fact that Iran never had any need for nuclear weapons. A lot of anti-Iranian propaganda is directly predicated on the notion that having nuclear weapons is highly desirable, yields some big advantage, and that all nations would want to acquire them. This is utter nonsense. In reality, possessing a few nuclear devices would only turn these devices into high priority targets for destruction by the USA and/or Israel. And even if, by some miracle, the Iranians managed to hide these devices while deploying them on missiles or aircraft, using any one such device would guarantee a massive retaliation from the Empire. What is the point of having a few nukes when Israel has hundreds? Finally, the Iranian Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, has declared many times that nuclear weapons are forbidden for Iran because they are un-Islamic. But we are so used to being ruled by lying politicians that we have apparently lost the ability to imagine that any leader would actually speak the truth, be guided by his conscience or, even less so, his faith. So we just dismissed it all.

Second, the threat which Iran really poses to Israel (and the KSA) is not a nuclear one – it is a civilizational one. Think of it:

Iran is an Islamic Republic and the only country on the planet which has dared to openly defy both Israel and the USA. Not only that, it also represent a radically different model of Islam than the one of the Saudi Wahabis. Iran is a country which has managed to survive a war unleashed against it by the joint efforts of the USA, the Soviet Union, France and Iraq, which prevailed against the most powerful Baathist ruler of the Middle-East, and which then proceeded to survive economically and politically in spite of decades of crippling sanctions imposed by all the industrialized countries on the planet. Furthermore, and in contrast to all the Arab and Muslim countries out there, Iran is the only one which as always truly supported the Palestinian causeand which has provided crucial backing for the most formidable national liberation movement on the planet: Hezbollah. So yes, Iran is very, very dangerous for Israel and for the Saudis.

This is why since roughly 2002 the usual cabal of US deep state actors, the Neocons, the Israel Lobby, the Israelis themselves and, of course, the Saudis have embarked on a massive campaign to force Iran to its knees and give in to totally ridiculous demands which go way beyond what the NPT mandates (note: while Iran has always been a member in good standing of the NPT, Israel has never accepted to become a member; but then, Israel is not a “rogue state” but the “only democracy in the Middle-East”, right?).

Then things began acquiring their own momentum: if the Empire and Israel had decreed that Iran must either comply or be turned into ruins (economically or militarily) then this absolutely must happen. But, of course, it did not. So breaking Iran soon became a goal in itself: to prove that nobody can defy the AngloZionists and survive. Iran, of course, not only survived but prospered. And thanks to the fantastically short-sighted policies of the USA and Israel, Iran actually managed to increase its influence in the region, especially after the US invasion of Iraq. Not only has Iran become a key player in Iraq, but thanks to the “Divine Victory” of Hezbollah against the “invincible Tsahal” in 2006 Iran also became the ally and patron of the only military force in the region to have single-handedly defeated the Zionist state.

As for the Saudis, they are terrified of this Russian-Iranian-Hezbollah coalition which, they believe, is threatening them, and their anti-Shia crusade in Bahrein, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. The Saudis also fear the fact that Iran is the proof that an Islamic state does not have to be a backward, primitive and oppressive regime, but that Islam, modernity and people-power can coexist and be successfully combined (hence the failure of the CIA-backed Iranian elites to overthrown the Islamic Republic during the “Gucci Revolution”).

ORDER IT NOW

It is therefore not surprising that the Israelis and Saudis are absolutely livid at the agreement negotiated between Iran and the P5+1. For these two countries, the lifting of sanctions against Iran, even combined with the imposition of new, “mini-sanctions”, by the USA, represents the failure of over a decade of sustained anti-Iranian efforts.

This is now the 2nd time that Obama has agreed to basically exchange something against nothing: the first time around, Obama had to cancel a US attack against Syria in exchange for the (costly) destruction of utterly useless Syrian chemical weapons, and now Obama is lifting sanctions in exchange for the monitoring of a non-existent Iranian military nuclear program. The Israelis fully understand that, and it is no wonder that they hate Obama with a passion.

I sure hope that I am wrong, but I cannot conceive of the Israelis or Saudis simply accepting this situation. There is no way the Zionist and Wahabi crazies will allow Iran to successfully humiliate them and continue to prosper and grow right in their “back yard” (from their point of view, of course).

In purely military terms, neither Israel nor the KSA have what it takes to successfully attack Iran, nevermind defeating it. The Israelis were not even capable of controlling a minor Lebanese town right across their own border border (Bint Jbeil) even though they tried for 33 day. As for the insanely wealthy Saudis can’t even defeat the dirt-poor Houthis in Yemen. If anything, the KSA and Israel are the proof that neither money not expensive high-tech hardware is not what builds a strong military force. Compare them with the Iranians who are the folks who trained Hezbollah! QED.

As for the US armed forces, they are overstretched, over-committed and barely holding on to a few positions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they don’t have what it takes to fight Iran either, at least not on the ground. And, let’s be honest here, the US armed forces are much better at organizing high-visibility “PR drives” (literally) involving a few APCS and Humvees in the Baltics, the Ukraine and Poland then at fighting a determined enemy. So even if most Presidential candidates now speak about “confronting Russia”, the reality is that the US cannot do much more than bombing a country like Serbia, and even that took the full support of NATO air forces and ended up in an abject failure (at least from the purely military point of view).

This is why the Empire will have to turn to its traditional set of dirty tricks: false flags, support for various terrorist groups, subversion of the Islamic Republic by means of the local money elites, sabotage, “human rights” campaigns (à la Neda), support for “gay rights”, arming of separatists groups, etc.

But, at least for the time being, this is a huge victory for Iran and and equally huge defeat for Israel: the poor Zionists have now been robbed of not one, but two wars they wanted so badly, and even their “success” in Libya is not enough of a consolation. I can hear the desperate oy vey shouts even from here :-)

Since this is a great day for Iran, I leave you with a beautiful song written by the Iranian rapper Yas in reaction to the release of the US propaganda movie 300 (see the translated lyrics below the video). Enjoy!

My Identity

Listen. I want to tell you my intent
They want to erase my identity
The history of the land of the Aryans
Is screaming until we come to it
So now is the time for you to hear
Iran is my land the
The country which after 7000 years
Is still standing
And the hearts of Iranians — still like the sea
Hear this, my fellow Iranian, from YAS
I too for my land stand like a soldier
Hold Iran like a gem in your hand and say
My complaint will burst out like a shot
Let’s stand together and sing our anthem
My sisters, my brothers, my fellow Iranians
Iran’s civilization is in danger
All of us are soldiers beneath our flag
We won’t let anyone spread lies about us
For us Iranians it is our calling
That we wear the symbol of ‘Farvahar’ around our necks
Our unity against an enemy is the cause of their distress
Iran’s name for us is an honor
And our respect for her is like a thorn in eye for those
Who want to injure her

CHORUS:

- Like the thirst of a seed [wheat] for water
– Like the dampness of rain, the smell of earth
– Like you, pure eyes, like the feeling of its earth, for you
– My land. Singing for you is in my heart
– Singing of my land, is my feeling
– My love – the earth of this land — Iraaaan.

You want to say that we came from generations of Barbarians?
So take a look then to Takht Jamshid!
You’re showing Iran’s name in vein
So yours could be written big on a cover of a CD [DVD}?
I’m writing down your intentions in my book
I know why you wrote this film “300”
I know that your heart is made of stone and lead
Instead of using your art to make a culture of peace
In this sensitive air and bad atmosphere
You want to start fishing in murky waters [profiting]
But this I tell you in its original language
Iran will never be spoiled and surrendered
God has given you two eyes to see
Take a look and read the books written by
Saadi and Ibn-e-Sina, Ferdosi, Khayam or Molana Rumi
Always throughout history we were the start [on top]
But now YAS can’t sit down quietly
Let Iran’s name be marred by a few tricksters
I’ll shred your intentions with the “razor of hope”
Who are YOU to speak of the history of Iran?

- CHORUS -

It was Cyrus The Great that started the peace
Freeing the Jewish from the grip of Babylon
Cyrus The Great wrote the first bill of human rights
That is why I carry my esteem and great pride
For my Iran. The history of my land
For the earth of this land which my body is from
Whatever part of the world you live my fellow Iranian
And till your blood flows through you
Don’t allow yourself to be satisfied
That anyone can fool around with your heritage
The history of Iran is my identity
Iran — protecting your name is my good intent

(Reprinted from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. “Since this is a great day for Iran, I leave you with a beautiful song written by the Iranian rapper Yas in reaction to the release of the US propaganda movie 300 (see the translated lyrics below the video). Enjoy!”

    I guess Yas missed the irony that, by expressing his patriotic views in the form of Rap, he is unwittingly serving as an agent of MTV-global anti-values.

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  2. Nuclear projectile with a flight pattern that is visible is one thing. Nuke in a suitcase with no finger to point, that entirely differnt game.

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  3. “What is the point of having a few nukes when Israel has hundreds? “

    Precisely because with even a few nukes Iran can destroy Israel. Then Iran will be respected.
    Why is that only some countries should be allowed to bully the rest with nukes, Samson options, mad dog behavour, and the like?
    Nukes are the great leveler.

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  4. Because MTV is sure to give that any airtime. It’s patriotic, it’s in Farsi, it’s not an agent of anything. If anything it’s a refreshing reminder that there are young Iranians with the maturity to accept the modern world without turning against their own country.

    My own favorite song from an Iranian band, albeit one in English:

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  5. Agree wholeheartedly. Fighting for your country using the inanities of rock and/or rap is a bit self-defeating.

    Have they never heard of Beethoven?

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  6. My understanding is Iran pursued a nuclear weapons program out of concern for a possible Iraqi weapons program under the Baathists. If Saddam was going to have a few nuclear bombs then Iran would want to have a few as well, deterrence and all. When that government was toppled by the US they chose to stop the program as it no longer held any value.

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  7. The fellow does go on.

    Sure, nukes, no advantage there.

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  8. I’ll never be a fan of Iranian or any other kind of rap. Apart from that, the Saker nails it again.

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  9. We have to be real when we talk about these things. A suitcase nuclear weapon? There are maybe 4 or 5 nations in the world with the requisite collective knowledge and manufacturing base to make that a reality and none of them have actually officially claimed to have made one. This is not comic-book science.

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  10. “I see that as a conflict between Israel and Iran in which Israel attempted, but failed, to get the USA to fight on its behalf.”

    Sakers, I hate to agree with you the above statement. Interestingly, US vice-president Joe Biden whose both son and daughters are married in Zionist Jewish families, made a similar statement in September 2015.

    “The only thing that would satisfy (US-Iran nuclear) deal opponents including Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is “a regime change” that could only come with US power,” Biden said at Ahavath Achim synagogue in Atlanta.

    However, you shouldn’t underestimate the power of Jewish Lobby. All the morons wishing to reside in the White House in 2017 – have promised their Jewish donors that they would null-and-void the US-Iran agreement signed by the first Black Jewish president.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/09/05/joe-biden-netanyahu-wants-a-regime-change-in-tehran/

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  11. 300 is for boys. If propagandists want to teach boys that it’s glorious to kill an enemy bent on subjecting their nation, I’m all for that. And if they want to frame defensive war as a reason to seek excellence and prepare for the ultimate challenge, better still.

    But I just want to point out that many, maybe most, of the details of the story of 300 are taken straight from Herodotus. It’s basically a true story to the extent we can take any of those ancient narratives literally. It was always propaganda… duh. Still, it’s a worthy retelling of some of the greatest propaganda.

    Uh, and… this was a great article, Mr Saker.

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  12. With all due respect Saker, you are indulging in delirious fantasies when you assert that American forces are better suited to harmless PR drives than at engaging a serious and determined enemy on the battlefield. The American infantryman is still as good as any other combatants you would dare to pit against him in pitched battle. I don’t have to remind you of such exploits as the retreat from Chosin Reservoir, the battle for Hue in 1968, or the battle of Fallujah of recent memory in Irak. The problem is not the courage or the capabilities of the American soldier in the field, which are well proven over a long stretch of time, the problem is the policy of Empire which is sapping the strength and the resources of the USA, for the benefit of a few globalists and zionists, at the expense of the American taxpayer and to the detriment of all American patriots.
    You will gain few friends to your cause by denigrating the men of the Army of the Unitred States. And furthermore, I salute our former Chief of Staff, General Dempsey, who advocated against trying to achieve the fall of Assad in Syria, and took personal responsibility at some risks to himself and his position by providing the Syrian army with crucial information regarding the terrorists of ISIS at a very critical time for the Syrians.

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  13. Can you cite where you get your “understanding”?

    The only purported ‘evidence’ that Iran ever had a nuclear program is the alleged Iranian laptop… You know, the one that German intelligence said was of dubious authenticity, the one passed to them by the Iranian terrorist group MEK, the MEK with limited technical expertise but with known ties to the Mossad….

    Gareth Porter: The push for war on Iran.

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  14. Agreed.

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  16. Iran has the powerful & cheap equalizers, chemical weapons.

    So who needs nukes? Why bother?

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  17. Uh, no.

    Sure it would have been great if the US destroyed Iran for us, but it isn’t a defeat for us that they won’t because we never expected them to do it in the first place.

    Despite what Palecons, Russotards and WN’s believe, Iran is a joke and is no real threat to us. Contrary to what the Saker says, Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program, the Persians are simply too primitive and stupid to make one. Persians are an extremely stupid people. Turkey is about 1000x the threat to us that Iran is, and Turkey itself presents us with no real difficulties.

    I’m not sure how Hezbollah can be described as an effective liberation force when it’s response to us killing literally thousands of civilians in Gaza a few years ago was… nothing. If that is resistance, what would passivity look like? Lol!

    Iran is like Russia except even worse: it’s economy is totally dependent on selling oil. The globe is entering another recession and oil is dirt cheap, taking Iran’s horrible economy and making it even worse. Iranian women sell themselves at a rate even higher than Russian women. Population growth in Iran is negative because the Iranian people know that they have no future.

    The interesting thing about Iran is that none of it’s territory has been promised to us. Perhaps the Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Turks, Iraqis, Saudis and Syrians who we don’t exterminate when we extend our borders to all of the Greater Israel can move to Iran? Such a move would require us to exterminate the Iranian people to make room for the newcomers but we were planning to do so anyway; so not a problem.

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  18. Your delusional, murderous rant provides yet one more example to prove the point that Bernard Lazare, the Jewish author of “Antisemitism: Its History and Causes”, made on the work’s first page: that throughout history, the primary, if not the sole, cause of anti-Jewish animus was not some latent irrationality in the gentile mind, but the behavior (and he should have added, the verbal flatulence) of the Jews themselves, as a people.

    The idea of “Greater Israel” is a Zionist fantasy. As the Saker points out, your vaunted IDF – despite complete air superiority and a naval presence – could not even stand up to a few thousand light infantrymen in Southern Lebanon. The color of those yellow flags flying defiantly on your northern border may not have been placed there as a deliberate jab to Israeli cowardice, exemplified by those shrieking and crying Israeli soldiers fleeing in panic back into Eretz Israel – their behinds having been handed to them by Hezbollah – but they just as well have been.

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  19. OK – not really directed to you since I’m not sure how receptive you are to this kind of information, just based on the language you are using; more for the benefit of others…

    Persians are an extremely stupid people.

    Those ‘extremely stupid’ people laid the foundations for the codification of Hebrew grammar. Nobody among the Jews was seriously looking into this as a science or discipline until medeival Spanish Andalusia. The Jewish scholars who did the work based their efforts on the rules and sciences that were established for Arabic grammar – both being related Semitic languages. And there is no codification of Arabic grammar without the Persians – they did all the legwork (look up Sibawayh [God illuminate his grave] among others), even the Arabs will acknowledge this. This is basic history you can find in a Near Eastern studies department and pretty well known.

    There is no Maimonides (the single most important Jewish scholar/intellectual for centuries since the medieval times) without the influence of Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd (may God have mercy on him). There is no Ibn Rushd without the existence and debates between the Ashari and Mutalizite schools of theology/philosophy. There are no Asharis or Mutalizites without the Persians.

    Peace.

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    Anyone who claims a whole race of people is “stupid” is the only stupid one in the room. If Mr. stupid could read, he would have read in the article above many examples showing how the Iranian people have used their intelligence to persevere despite circumstances that would have brought most peoples to their knees.

    Iran’s struggle is no-where near complete: a entire cabal of Washington neo-cons and zionists wants Iran “wiped off the map.” Note that it’s ok for us to wipe them off the map because we are the “good” ones.

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  21. Tahla,

    Are you Persian or Arab? I was only attacking Persians in my post, not Arabs.

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  22. Neither, but I owe both my spiritual and (partial) cultural heritage to both (as well as the Jewish people) – three of my children have specifically Jewish/Hebrew names.

    But, sorry – nothing personal – I couldn’t let that comment about Persians slide…

    You also mentioned that they “are simply too primitive and stupid to make one [nuclear weapon]” – one of my Persian friend’s father is a nuclear scientist, in the US. They are quite capable of marshaling the intellectual resources to make one given the free access to the manufacturing materials – especially if another Middle Eastern country didn’t have a penchant for assassinating their intellectual capital.

    However, I’m glad that they aren’t – I think atomic weapons are indiscriminate, reprehensible abominations. I don’t consider possession of or efforts for creating them as morally positive things. I hope to live to see the world unanimously outlaw them as we did slavery.

    Peace.

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  23. Note that it’s ok for us to wipe them off the map because we are the “good” ones.

    Exactly.

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  24. At one time, at least, the Strait of Hormuz is one reason neither the US and Israel haven’t attacked Iran militarily (of course Israel wouldn’t attack without US help). If military vessels bent on attacking Iran were in the Strait of Hormuz Iran’s missiles could easily take them out, no problem. Iran could also close the Strait of Hormuz to oil shipments (I believe that something like thirty percent of the world’s oil is shipped through the Strait of Hormuz) coming from Saudi Arabia. This is what the US supported war against Yemen is about. If Saudi Arabia can control Yemen it provides an alternative to the Strait of Hormuz for shipping oil in case of a war with Iran, a route that cannot be threatened by Yemen if it were under Saudi and US control. Keeping in mind that Iran should not trust any deals with the US they should watch out should Saudi Arabia succeed (backed by the US) in controlling Yemen. But I don’t think Saudi Arabia will be able to do so. I believe they have tried before and ended up running for their lives.

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  25. I never thought about that particular motivation – good analysis. Definitely a very reasonable strategy by the Sauds, not particularly viable because, as you mentioned, they have to go over the will of thousands of armed Yemenis.

    I wonder why they wouldn’t just cut a deal with them, a little revenue sharing to grease their wheels…

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  26. Talha,

    I would guess it’s because of US and Israeli influence. The US has one solution to all problems. And that would be the use of state violence. Israel is the same way, look at what they do to the poor Palestinians. So I think they began this war due to pressure from Obama and Netanyahu with Iran being the real target. Iran is right on the Caspian Sea (Basin) which is home to huge amounts of oil and natural gas. It’s was very symbolic when Russia fired some missiles into Syria from the Caspian Sea. I’m sure the US got the message. As world populations increase and resources become more scarce expect people to become more desperate, and when they’re desperate people do things they wouldn’t ordinarily do. So the Caspian Basin is the prize, the brass ring, and the US doesn’t want Russia to have control of it. It’s not just that Iran has defied the US (good for them) but they have the bad luck to be in the way of US plans to control the flow of oil from the Caspian Basin. These are just my opinions, I really cannot prove all this but guessing is what we end up doing because of the lousy media which has stopped asking pertinent and obvious questions years ago. Still, after the collapse of the Soviet Union Dick Cheney said that the Caspian Basin is now a place of great interest. I think he was right no matter what we may think of him as a person. Personally I think Cheney is a monster.

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  27. { If Saudi Arabia can control Yemen it provides an alternative to the Strait of Hormuz for shipping oil in case of a war with Iran, a route that cannot be threatened by Yemen if it were under Saudi and US control.}

    Your analysis makes no sense.

    Saudi Arabia can very easily go through Oman to bypass the Straight of Hormuz, if that is their reason for invading Yemen.
    Oman is about the size of Yemen, yet has only about 3 million people.
    Even the incompetent Saudi military would have little difficulty establishing a link to the Arabian Sea, assuming Oman did not cooperate, which they would.
    Of course none of that is necessary, because Oman has very close cooperation with US. In fact US has military bases there.
    And, there are a couple of existing pipelines going to Oman’s Muscat port from Saudi Arabia.

    Saudis invaded Yemen not because of oil related issues.
    The Shia in Yemen, about 35%, or about 10 million, are hated by Sunni Saudi Arabia and feared, because Shia there and Iran are natural allies. The bad blood between Shia and Sunni is centuries old. Saudis do not want a Shia dominated region in Yemen right on their border.

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  28. Caspian hydrocarbons have proved very disappointing, and in any case resource scarcity is hardly the flavour of the year in 2016.

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  29. The problem here is not so much the American infantryman’s fighting capabilities so much as the other four requirements to military success that are set out in The Art of War. The leadership seems to be the main problem, by sending men to fight where they neither have the terrain, the weather, or the support of the people at home or in theatre how could they be successful?

    Why people still enlist is a mystery to me. None of America’s enemies would even dream of going to war against the US but the real enemies are within already and they’re the ones making policy designed to fail. They will sacrifice the US on the altar of global domination (for them) and then undermine and abandon it (the US).

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  30. Saudi Arabia has three of its major oil refineries right on the coast of the Red Sea, at Yanbu, Rabigh, and Jeddah. One of Saudi’s few major oil and gas lines goes straight to Yanbu on the Red Sea. So that’s where Saudi oil would be exported after being refined. Yanbu is a major port and there are no “major” pipelines going to Oman. Obama doesn’t care about Shia or Sunni, and he’s behind the war in Yemen. It’s always about oil, boring as that may be, unless you happen to believe that the US is actually spreading enlightenment, democracy, rainbows and puppy dogs out of the goodness of their humanitarian hearts, and that the US is actually serious about fighting terrorists rather than creating them. The media keeps calling this a Saudi-led war which is wrong. It’s being led by Obama, who, if you recall what happened in Libya, likes to “lead from behind.” Frankly I think Obama leads with his behind considering how much he’s screwed things up. But believe what you want, these are just my opinions as I said. This is about the control of the flow of oil as in who is selling and who is buying. Creating a rift between factions is what the US does in order to achieve it’s pie in the sky plan of controlling the entire planet. If you can control the oil market that would go along way in promoting US hegemony.

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  31. The reason for wanting to destabilise Iran is their support for the Palestinians. But it’s just sabre rattling as the US has no appetite for that now it knows something worse would replace the Iranian regime. An occupation is out of the question, after recent disasters.

    A wider war along Israel’s West bank border, in Jordan, may provide an opportunity for throwing the Palestinians out. Expulsion of unassimilable elements is the only option left for national survival. Hopefully Israel will show how it’s done, and other countries’ leaderships will start to toy with the idea.

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  32. Yes, the Israeli have never ever been able to assimilate into Palestinian culture. I agree that the Palestinians should kick the Israeli out.

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    The Obama administration simply capitulated to reality, not out of any humanitarian principles. The experts made their calculations and concluded that war with Iran was untenable, a losing proposition. It’s a country of almost 80 million with greater capacity to defend itself on a sustained basis than a country like Afghanistan which has itself been hard to bring to heel. There’s little choice but to try to come to some arrangement with them and who knows, perhaps some commonality of interests could be arrived at. The US never seems to have reconciled itself to Iran having slipped out from under it when the Shah was in power. He was our neighborhood gendarme and it was him who we were in the process of selling nuclear power plants to.
    One problem is that the current administration has just a year left to run. Look at all the contenders and their warmongering rhetoric. They’re all going to get tough on the Russians and Iranians, they say, and in this it appears they are all delusional. This does not bode well for the future since none of them seem to have the mental capability of grasping the facts of complex situations but are just two-dimensional sloganeers.

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  34. [God illuminate his grave]

    What the hell does that mean?

    Ridiculous how south asian muslims like you suck up to MENAs. You can always identify descendants of hindu converts to Islam by their servile, cloying language.

    There is no Maimonides (the single most important Jewish scholar/intellectual for centuries since the medieval times) without the influence of Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd (may God have mercy on him). There is no Ibn Rushd without the existence and debates between the Ashari and Mutalizite schools of theology/philosophy. There are no Asharis or Mutalizites without the Persians.

    It is sheer stupidity and ignorance to claim Ibn Sina (Avicenna) and Ibn Rushd (Averroes) as icons of persian civilization. Avicenna was born in a village in Uzbekistan, while Averroes was an arab born in Spain. And the main intellectual influences for both were greek philosophy and arab religion. Not Zoroastrianism or Manichaenism.

    Which highlights the fact that persian civilization has been far less influential in history than that of it’s neighbours: greeks, arabs, indians etc

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  35. Predictably, Bliss defends the Jewish project in the Levant by demeaning Iran. But, the generic personal attack is a little new, no? Something got your bliss?

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  36. To proceed…I am a syed, a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) through his daughter Lady Fatima (may God raise her rank) and the rest of that noble lineage – I have no inferiority complex – the rest of the Muslims call us ‘syed’ (master) or ‘sharif’ (noble-born) out of their deference and love for the Prophet (pbuh). The language I use is out of a deep sense of gratitude and respect for the sacrifices of those who have given me my identity. I can never repay them, but at least I can type out a prayer at the mention of their names. Dust covers the corpses of millions of human beings that rose up, lived, earned their deeds and returned to the ground – not a whisper is said about them thousands of years later, not even their genetic descendants care to know their names. Yet the honor and respect of these men and women remain and their mention invokes a prayer from the lips of grateful people from Dakar to Jakarta. The earth has not yet swallowed their memories.

    Again, to proceed…

    Uzbekistan, is a new term, that region was called Transoxiana in pre-modern times and was always under the control or influence of Persia since the Achaemenidian Empire up through the Abassids:

    http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/chinasilkroad/g/041709Transoxiana.htm

    I never stated that Ibn Sina or Ibn Rushd (God raise his rank) were icons of Persia, you used those words. I said that they would not have been who they were or wrote what they did without the environment of the philosophical debates at the time. Greek philosophy was dead, it was revived and translated within the Abbassid Caliphate (which is basically the political power of Muslim [and Arabized] Persia) and brought into vogue by the Mutazilites. The Mutalizite/Ashari debates started in the heart of Persia and spread from there. That is why Ibn Rushd (all the way in Spanish Andalus) wrote his refutation of the great anti-philosophical treatise ‘Tahafut al-Falasifa’ (Incoherence of the Philosophers) by the great champion of Sunni Orthodox creed, Imam Ghazali (may God illuminate his grave), who was born in Tus (smack-dab in Persia). I was simply connecting the dots, I chose my words carefully.

    It is akin to the fact that the great moral voice of America, Henry David Thoreau, profoundly influenced Ghandi, in his approach to prying India away from Britain, through his brilliant essays on civil disobedience from thousands of miles away.

    This may just make you more angry, since that seems to happen every time I respond, that is not my intent, I mean nothing personal; I am merely responding so others realize what I had mentioned in the earlier post did indeed have logic and historical fact behind it.

    Peace.

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  37. Thanks for your intelligent response to the “greasy one” I do not have your patience to try to fix stupid as there is so much of it. I did, however, appreciate the opportunity to learn from your experience.

    As for suitcase bombs, you would be surprised to learn how little Plutonium is needed for such a bomb. Fortunately, it would be easy to trace the source based on high resolution isotopic ICP-MS.

    Looking forward to a ski vacation in Iran and sampling their fine cuisine.

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  38. No problem krollchem. Everyone has their faults – Lord knows I have mine. “Greasy” does have his moments – like when he admitted that he found Arabs to be generally pleasant people on an individual level as opposed to a collective.

    Anyway, you make an interesting point about the suitcase nuke. I am no expert so I usually defer to the writings of people like Gareth Porter or Scott Ritter (before he went to jail). I could be wrong, but I was always under the impression that the issue was not in the amount of material require for a small yield, because that was always an assumption in the design, but rather the design of the actual detonator to start the reaction given the restrictions in size and weight.

    Don’t forget to visit Isfahan, the architecture there is phenomenal.

    May God preserve you and your family.

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  39. I am a syed, a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    South Asia is full of fake syeds. The odds are overwhelming that you are one of them. Probably you know it too, hence all the pathetic groveling.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=fake%20syeds%20pakistan

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mace-lab/publications/articles/2010/Belle_AAS10_Syed.pdf

    In this study, we found that the Y chromosomes of self-identified Syeds from India and Pakistan are no less diverse than those non-Syeds from the same regions, suggesting that there is no biological basis to the belief that self-identified Syeds in this part of the world share a recent common ancestry.

    Uzbekistan, is a new term, that region was called Transoxiana in pre-modern times and was always under the control or influence of Persia since the Achaemenidian Empire up through the Abassids

    So what? Persia was under the control of arab and turkic dynasties for a longer period. Does that mean that someone born in a village in Iran during their rule was no longer an ethnic iranian?

    I never stated that Ibn Sina or Ibn Rushd (God raise his rank) were icons of Persia, you used those words. I said that they would not have been who they were or wrote what they did without the environment of the philosophical debates at the time.

    They were not debating persian philosophy or religion. You were dropping those big names in a post defending persian intellect, deliberately misleading those who read it into thinking that they were iranians debating iranian philosophy. Shame on you.

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  40. Predictably, Bliss defends the Jewish project in the Levant by demeaning Iran.

    Predictably? Really? Liar. How many of my posts have you actually read?

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  41. OK – again you twist my words and conflate the idea of Persian influence with direct Persian ethnicity, which I never claimed. People can read both views and decide which appeals to their reason.

    As far as my lineage; it’s cool, you can claim I’m I’m descended from Merovingian Franks as far as I’m concerned.

    Again, as I stated, you seem to have personal issue with me. Totally fine, you have every right to respond to my posts with ad hominem attacks and consistent twisting of my words and generally uncivil language; every right. Just to save you effort from typing in the future – if you do, I won’t respond.

    Peace.

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  42. As far as my lineage; it’s cool, you can claim I’m I’m descended from Merovingian Franks as far as I’m concerned.

    It is pitiful to see how you recoil from your actual ancestry. Why is that?

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  43. The interesting thing about Iran is that none of it’s territory has been promised to us. Perhaps the Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Turks, Iraqis, Saudis and Syrians who we don’t exterminate when we extend our borders to all of the Greater Israel can move to Iran? Such a move would require us to exterminate the Iranian people to make room for the newcomers but we were planning to do so anyway; so not a problem.

    Since you deny you are trolling can you link us to the Torah-True site where you learned this insanity?

    How do you all justify belief in a God who does not keep his promise?

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  44. Part of the reason young men (and women, I suppose) continue to list, apart from the success of propaganda in conflating the interests of the state with legitimate patriotism/nationalism, is the continued destruction of the US economy and decreasing opportunities in the private sector. Which is probably part of the reason for the stupid policies adopted by the government post-crisis: conscription by other means.

    BTW, after seeing an American soldier whine on TV how Iraqis weren’t fighting “fair” during the invasion in 2003, I am deeply skeptical about the real quality of American troops and their ability to fight an opponent on relatively equal terms (i.e. as opposed to beating up weaklings like a school yard bully).

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  45. “after seeing an American soldier whine on TV how Iraqis weren’t fighting “fair” during the invasion in 2003, I am deeply skeptical about the real quality of American troops and their ability to fight an opponent on relatively equal terms”

    Conventional militaries are generally ill-suited to fighting insurgents, so this is a common complaint.
    America’s actual combat troops tend to be recruited from the white Scots-Irish, who have a strong martial tradition, and they have a lot of German-American officers likewise. Their doctrines rely heavily on air support (& traditionally on artillery support) but overall fighting quality seems similar to other Anglosphere nations, superior to most of the de-militarised European nations (France being the main exception).
    Compared to Russia, it is hard to say – I can’t imagine the US having achieved something like Russia’s 2008 defeat of Georgia from a standing start; the US would have reacted far slower, probably let their holding force in South Ossetia be overrun, then have launched a slow buildup and bombing campaign over weeks, before finally retaking the ruins. Nor would the US have suffered a disaster akin to the first assault on Grozny 1994-5, with thousands of soldiers massacred – but I don’t think the modern Russian army much resembles that of 1994.
    Overall I’d probably give the Russians a slight personnel edge at this point, especially in capability to mount offensive operations at short notice, and to operate effectively without air supremacy. Both are about equally tenacious in defence I think; you don’t see either Russians or Americans break & run like Arabs, or surrender like the Dutch at Srebrenica.

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  46. The soldier in question was speaking early in the invasion, when regular Iraqi units were fighting in defense of their homeland, there was no “insurgency” at that point. The fact is, the US has not faced an opponent on more-or-less equal terms since the Japanese in WW2 (the Chinese in Korea a possible exception), and even in this regard they had enormously more resources to draw on long-term. The US game of bleeding an opponent economically dry before sending in the troops is rapidly coming to an end, as the US is itself now bled dry.

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