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Let me begin by immediately say that I have the utmost respect for F. William Engdahl and that I consider him a person far more knowledgeable of US politics than myself. Furthermore, I want to also make it clear that I am not going to refute a single argument Engdahl makes in support of his thesis simply because I believe that his arguments are fact-based and logical. I strongly urge everybody to read Engdahl’s article “The Dangerous Deception Called The Trump Presidency” in the New Eastern Outlook and carefully consider each of his arguments. Of course, Engdahl only offers indirect, circumstantial evidence and only time will really show whether he is right or wrong. What I propose to do today is to consider the other possibility, that in spite of all the evidence presented by Engdahl, Trump might not be a fraud and a showman. You will see that this conclusion is not necessarily more optimistic than Engdahl’s.

My main argument is much more primitive than Engdahl’s and even more circumstantial: I see clear signs of a real struggle taking place inside the US elites and if, indeed, such a struggle is taking place, then I conclude that Trump is not a showman who has been “selected” (to use Engdahl’s words) by the US elites but that quite to the contrary, his election is a nightmare for these elites.

My subsidiary argument is that even if Engdahl is right and if Trump is a showman, the ploy of the US elites to save the Empire and prepare for war will fail.

Let’s take them one by one:

The reality of the struggle inside the US elites

Frankly, I don’t believe that the imperial “deep state” was so devious and sophisticated to order the mainstream media to organize a year-long hate campaign against Trump because the “deep state” has calculated that only such a demonization of Trump would make him popular and get him elected. Why? I just don’t believe that the US propaganda machine is that flexible. You look at freaks like Rachel Maddows or Martha Raddatz and you can tell that they are for real, in the sense that they were never hired to parrot a specific political line but they were hired because they are the living embodiment of a specific political line. And that goes for 90% of the Trump-bashing media. Yeah, maybe some are cynical presstitutes, but most of them come from what I would call the “tribe of assorted minorities” which viscerally hates everything Trump stands for. Their hate is sincere, it is pure, it comes from their very identity.

Likewise, when I look at the fawning in lockstep before Hillary which the mainstream media carefully nurtured I can only conclude that this is the logical outcome of decades of brainwashing by the liberal propaganda machine. This machine was built around hating the “common” American, the “deplorables” in Hillary’s parlance, and this machine could not do anything but to worship her 24/7.

I am therefore convinced that Donald Trump got elected in spite of, and not thanks to, the “Patriarchy of loveless old men like David Rockefeller or George Herbert Walker Bush“. Furthermore, when I see the desperate efforts by Soros & Co to organize some kind of “color revolution” against Trump under the slogan “not my president” and the efforts by, again, Soros & Co. to get Jill Stein to get a recount only in the states were Trump won, I come to the clear conclusion that the Neocons have still not accepted their defeat and that they are still trying to prevent Trump from occupying the White House. In contrast, Engdahl writes that,

We should not imagine for one second that the Patriarchy– those loveless old men like David Rockefeller or George Herbert Walker Bush or unnamed others– were so overwhelmed by the political genius of candidate Trump emerging from every scandal more powerful than before, that they were surprised, out-foxed, and just groaned and let it happen. The Trump Presidency has been planned in minute detail by them and their think tanks

I don’t know about you, but I sure don’t get the feeling that what is taking place today is the result of something carefully planned. I fully agree that the US deep state did not just “groan and let hit happen“. But rather than letting it happen, I see the US deep state fighting against Trump with everything it has! I don’t think that the post-election anti-Trump hysteria has been planned by the likes of Rockefeller or Bush at all. What I see are the Neocons using every bit of “ammunition” they have to try to oppose and sabotage a Trump presidency.

Engdahl also brings some very strong arguments against the nomination of General Mike Flynn who not only is known for his rather crude anti-Islamic rhetoric, but who even co-authored a book with the notorious Neocon Michael Ledeen. That a man like Flynn could find no better co-author than Ledeen should set off “red alert” alarms in the minds of everybody who understands what Ledeen stands for and represents. And Flynn is most definitely one of the better people around Trump.

In fact, a closer look at the folks around Trump reveals a lot of Neocons, Israelis and Judaics and all in key positions. There is a definite Likudnik smell to a lot of the people Trump has surrounded himself with. But that argument could also be reversed – if indeed Trump is “securely surrounded” by doubleplusgoodthinking Zionists, why their big panic? Could it be that these doubleplusgoodthinking Zionists have some very strong concerns about what Trump might do as a President once he is in full control?

Last but most definitely not least: not only has Jill Stein been used to trigger a recount in some states, but there are now rumors that some Electors are now being pressured not to give their vote to Trump, as the law says they should. Whether true or not, this kind of rumors clearly indicate that the Neocons are willing to do anything and everything to prevent Trump from getting into the White House or, if that is impossible, to maximally weaken him even if that puts the entire country at risk.

Why do I say that?

ORDER IT NOW

Because events have a way of getting out of control which makes the kind of reckless doubling-down the Neocons are currently engaged in extremely dangerous. Of course, nobody currently expects the Electoral College to refuse to nominate Trump. But the unexpected seems to be happening a lot these days. So what if something like that happens? Or what if some states accept Trump’s victory, but others don’t? What if the “not my President” slogan really goes viral and infects the minds of many more people than right now? Or even worse, what if this absolutely irresponsible rhetoric ends up in violence with either protesters or Trump himself being shot? We know that the very same US deep state which organized and executed 9/11 also used snipers in Vilnius in 1991, in Moscow in 1993 and in Kiev in 2014 to bring about an insurrection. There are also report that such snipers were used in Libya, Egypt and Syria. Is there any logical reason to think that this time around the deep state would not use such snipers inside the USA?

While it is possible that the current situation has been triggered by the US deep state, it is equally possible that the US deep state is losing control of the situation which might now be developing a momentum of its own. Would the US deep state really take such a risk just in order to put “Trump the showman” into the White House?

The plan

According to Engdahl, Donald Trump was put into office to,

prepare America for war, a war the banks of Wall Street and the US military industrial complex are not presently in a position economically or industrially or otherwise, geopolitically, to win. His job will be to reposition the United States for them to reverse the trend to disintegration of American global hegemony, to, as the Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz Project for the New American Century put it in their September, 2000 report, “rebuild America’s defenses.” To do that preparation, a deception strategy that will fatally weaken the developing deep bonds between Russia and China will be priority. It’s already begun. We have a friendly phone call from The Donald to Vladimir the Fearsome in Moscow. Russian media is euphoric about a new era in US-Russia relations after Obama. Then suddenly we hear the war-mongering NATO head, Stoltenberg, suddenly purr soothing words to Russia. Float the idea that California Congressman and Putin acquaintance, Dana Rohrabacher, is leaked as a possible Secretary of State. It’s classic Kissinger Balance of Power geopolitics–seem to ally with the weaker of two mortal enemies, Russia, to isolate the stronger, China. Presumably Vladimir Putin is not so naïve or stupid as to fall for it, but that is the plot of Trump’s handlers.

If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it. In fact, such a possibility has been discussed many times by Russian experts on various Russian talkshows and they all agree that while Russia will definitely tone down its criticism of the USA if Trump appears to be interested in collaborating with Russia, there is no chance in hell that Moscow would in any way let the Americans weaken or otherwise affect the unofficial but extremely strong strategic partnership between Russia and China. Besides, the USA have nothing very interesting to offer the Russians anyway. Why would the Russians spend any capital on a clearly dying Empire when they have an extremely beneficial alliance with a growing superpower? Does anybody in Washington DC really think that two decades of rabid russophobia have suddenly been forgotten or that anybody in Russia will ever trust a word coming out of an American politician’s mouth? For the past two years Russia has been scrambling to prepare for war against the USA and NATO. Now that the danger of President Hillary has almost certainly passed, yes – the Russians are delighted that a thermonuclear war has become unlikely. But they will never forget how close it came and they will most definitely not stop their preparations. At most, they will somewhat slow down some programs, but that’s it. Fundamentally Russia will continue her rapid pace of military development which, considering the situation in the Ukraine and in the Middle-East, is a sound decision regardless of what the Americans do or say.

I think I can very accurately predict what Russia will do during the next four years: Putin will meet with Trump and try to work out with him as many of the outstanding issues between the USA and Russia as possible (that is, assuming the Neocons around Trump don’t torpedo it all before it even starts!). If Trump wants a reasonable solution for Syria and the Ukraine, he will get it from the Russians. If Trump is serious about forcing the CIA & Co. to stop using al-Qaeda & Co., that is to say if Trump is serious about smashing Daesh, the Russians will help him too. And if Trump wants the Russians to help secure a deal for Israel and Palestine, or help mediate some deal with the DPRK – the Russians will oblige again. But what will not stop is the massive re-armament of the Russian armed forces and the Russian efforts to politically decouple the EU from the USA. These are strategic goals of Russia which will not be affected by the USA. Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.

Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now. If the Neocons really think that they can somehow reverse or even significantly affect this trend they are wrong. The USA are going down and Russia is going up, and nothing can stop this process.

The strongest argument in favor of Engdahl’s thesis is this: while the Neocons have always been clever and very driven, they are not very bright and they can only see as far as the immediate short term. Furthermore, their truly infinite arrogance always brings them to the same solution when presented with a crisis: double down. And if that don’t work, double down again. And again. And again. This is why all their grand plans first kinda work, but then inevitably come crashing down, over and over again.

Right now, there is nothing more stupid and self-defeating the USA could do than to double down on all their failures, miscalculations and mistakes. The smart thing to do is what Trump promises to do: to change course, “drain the swamp” in DC and save the USA by giving up on the AngloZionist Empire. I hope that this is what the slogan “make America great again” means: make it great by dumping the Empire.

My gut-feeling is that Trump is at least partially sincere, how could we explain the current Neocon panic otherwise? They seem to know something which really is freaking them out. Might that be that Trump is serious about kicking their collective rear-end back down to the basement from which they crawled out?

This being said, please don’t conclude that I am any more optimistic than Engdahl. I am not. It’s just that my fear is different from his. He thinks that Trump is a fraud while I think that the Trump is unlikely to have the right combination of intelligence, willpower, courage, abnegation and patriotism to purge the USA from the Neocon rot. Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”. Furthermore, I think that the choice of Pence as VP is indicative a deeply misguided hope by Trump that he can appease the Neocons.

Finally, let’s try to make sense out of Trump’s absolutely bizarre and, frankly, irrational phobia of Iran. Is that not his attempt at throwing the Neocons a bone to chew on in the hope that they will let him be if he “gives” them Iran?

One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.

God knows I hope that I am wrong. And, of course, I hope that Engdahl is wrong too. Miracles do happen and sometimes seemingly mediocre or hesitant individuals end up showing a strength and willpower which can change the course of history. But I think that Engdahl is asking the right questions and sounding the right warnings. While it is legitimate to hope for a miracle, one must never forget miracles happen very rarely and that it is far more likely that they will not happen.

 
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  1. Anon says:

    “Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.”

    Saker, I respect you, but that is too funny.

    Russians are not corrupt? Russians are drunkards who catch fish with their dicks.

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    Anon, are you a fish?
    , @JVC
    one only needs to look at the development and deployment of new weapon systems by both countries. Both the F-35, and the new Navy LCS programs are jokes--nothing but cash cows for the IMC (plus congress). Neither can possibly fulfill even part of their proclaimed missions. Meanwhile, Russia, actually seems to be deploying some new, rather sophisticated systems, while we dither.

    Guy in the picture does seem to be somewhat of a joke---like jackass for instance--but in no way represents the Russian capabilities.
    , @Harold Smith
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he's 100% correct; yes, "the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay".

    The corruption that brought the Jews to power in the U.S. is a double-edged sword. The U.S. government cannot procure cost-effective weaponry for the same reason that U.S. citizens cannot get cost-effective health care, education or housing for example. The corruption is everywhere and it's getting worse by the day.

    What's "too funny" is your disagreement with an obvious, generally accepted fact.
    , @subidentity9
    Having served in the U.S. military for many years I believe The Saker is correct in his assessment.
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  2. Finally, let’s try to make sense out of Trump’s absolutely bizarre and, frankly, irrational phobia of Iran

    The GOP base is so propagandized about Iran Trump had no choice but to use some heavy rhetoric. It’s all show and no go, and Trump knows it. The deal is signed.

    On the whole, what these ‘woke’ anti imperialist lefties don’t get is Trump is a Great Man of History, and the planets will fall into orbit around him. Trump needs people who know Washington in order to control it, and they will do as he says whatever private reservations they may harbour. Today, Trump reaffirmed at his ‘thank you’ rally in Ohio the US will eschew regime change and work with Russia to defeat terrorism.

    Don’t be blackpilled by these faggots who get off on being in opposition for opposition’s sake.

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  3. Anonymous says:

    The normally excellent Saker misses a big part of how the game is played in America.

    Saker seems to think the game is played like chess on a 2 dimensional board. Thus, Trump is not a plant because otherwise the elites would not be attacking him so much. But the game is really played on different levels.

    The American Jewish elite was against Trump, but the Isreali elite was very pro Trump as Engdahl noted. So you really have an internal struggle between Liberal leftist Jews in America vs the right wing Jews who live in Isreal. Those Jews planted Trump, and they will benefit tremendously as Trump is going to recognize Jerusalem, dismantle Iran, and do things like build a wall which will take pressure off of Isreal for mistreating the Palestinians so poorly.

    Why boycott Isreal when America can take the hit for you? Keep in mind that the liberal left wing Jews in the Obama administration gave Nettenyahu a lot of grief.

    Incidentally, I did see an interview with Trump earlier on in his campaign where he talked about Russia and China and how ineffective the Obama administration was because Obama was driving Russia into the arms of China and everyone knows you should keep the two separate. I was surprised when I heard him say this, but it definitely is in line with what Engdahl was talking about.

    Luckily, both China and Russia have been burned by American divide and conquer in the past so I don’t think they will bite this time.

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    • Replies: @5371
    [Trump is going to ... dismantle Iran]

    Nope.
    , @alexander
    If one considers the overarching outline of our major policy initiatives since 9-11,they have ALL been decidedly pro-Israel, whether emanating from the liberal Jewish left, or the conservative Jewish right.

    Our foreign policy has been one of essentially neutering(through war) the potential "hurting power" of each of the Shiite crescent nations who stood behind the existence of Palestine over the state of Israel.

    This plan of action has continued, unabated, through both the Bush and Obama administrations.

    It has been very successful in achieving this goal.

    Iraq, Syria and Lebanon (as well as Libya) have all been systematically dismembered over the last fifteen years, in case you didn't notice.

    Iran is the last of these nations that forms the Shiite crescent and it is also the most powerful.

    While there are many in Israel and in our administration who would welcome Iran's defeat through war, this seems unlikely to happen in the near future.

    I will tell you why.

    One of the most effective tools that our pro war lobbyists have used to initiate these wars, has been to make it almost obscenely profitable for our war contractors (as well as our representatives) to engage them.

    The un-audited, un-discussed "profiteering" from these conflicts has amounted to trillions of US dollars.

    Trillions..........in pure profit.


    Setting aside the constitutionality and/or criminality of such behavior,The tragic flaw in this plan is that the profits were not garnered from spoils recouped from conquered nations abroad, but from the pilfered taxpayers at home.

    Our national debt has grown by a whopping 14.3 trillion dollars in a mere 16 years.
    This runaway "war profiteering" has vaporized our country's solvency and wrecked our Nations balance sheet.

    Unleashing a full scale war on Iran, tomorrow, would no doubt cost us trillions of dollars that we simply do not have to spend..

    This is the scaly truth.

    Furthermore, this gross "war profiteering" has extracted precious resources from much needed initiatives at home, like rebuilding our ailing infrastructure, and putting our people to work in the process.

    I do believe our President understands this...so too does our Military Industrial Complex ,as do most of the Jewish Pro-Israel elite from both sides of the spectrum.

    Cutting off our nose to spite our face .....is not the best course of action.

    I believe a policy of Iran "containment" will be in place for the foreseeable future, while the US works to rebuild itself and its balance sheet , retaining throughout, a robust and potent military apparatus.

    And Israel is okay with that.

    I think President Trumps policy vis-a-vis a Greater Israel may well reflect most closely that of Sheldon Adelson and Benjamin Netanyahu.

    But in a hands off, America first, kinda way.....(but I honestly don't know)

    It seems that the Greater Israel project will continue in force, and the complete dissolution of Palestine is right around the bend.

    I do not believe the Greater Israel project will seek to incorporate the millions of Palestinian refugees either in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan or Syria, as citizens.

    Doing so would upend the demographic majority of Jews within the greater state , in favor of the Palestinians ....and undermine the ability of Jews to control their own destiny as a nation.

    Nor will Israel choose to become Apartheid (officially or otherwise) by having a vast proletariat of voter-less Palestinians roaming around in perpetuity.

    Greater Israel will tolerate some Palestinians, I suppose, but not many beyond what would constitute 20% of the total population.

    So it looks as if the Greater Israel project proceeds apace,...and at some point in time they will have to expel (or kill) several million Palestinians to complete it.

    For better or worse, this looks like the future to me.

    I hope that in the US, the President gets very creative and unleashes multiple initiatives that will grow our GDP and our balance sheet, and puts Americans back to work.

    I do not think we will launch another major war in the near future....(but we will spend a great deal on rebuilding our military in preparation for one)

    I do not think we will have many "terror events" on our soil ....either...

    So this should be a relatively calm , shock free, terror free, and industrious four years for the USA.

    I look forward to the USA becoming a pile-driver of growth, and creativity .... Americans are ready for it.

    President Trump need not look farther than our constitutions preamble to indicate his priorities when leading a nation of free men into the future...

    ."Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

    One could even say (or at least hope) that much of this horrific war making is behind us.

    But hey....I could be wrong.
  4. tom.. says:

    Of course it’s a self lying desperate delusion to believe Trump’s con foreign policy that some are desperate for.

    In all of Donald Trump’s previous history before the selection, name me all the times he cared for serious foreign policy, didn’t say something idiotically abhorrent about it, or why he’s a totally different person now re that policy.

    As well, Who in their right mind thinks that as soon as Trump starts dropping in the polls he won’t start demonising Russia ? Who ?

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    Here you go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PJr2R28pas
    , @Anonymouse
    Bannon may be the Great Man of History in a surplus USArmy field-jacket whispering in his master's/dummy's ear. Ecce homo! <-I didn't just make that up
  5. I never stop being amazed at the logical inconsistency and fallacious reasoning displayed by so-called experts in politics and economics.

    The Saker sensibly objects to the more outrageous claims in Engdahl’s article. But it does so in such a deferential way that defies comprehension.

    Basically, Engdahl implies that the current strategies of Washington are not working and Trump is likely to change them. This is completely at odds with his statement that “there is no good side” to Trump.

    Overall, Engdahl’s article is just a somewhat more informed, but equally insane, version of a piece by Linh Dinh which appeared at Unz (“The Trump Ploy”).

    Hysteria and blind faith are just two sides of the same coin.

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  6. 5371 says:
    @Anonymous
    The normally excellent Saker misses a big part of how the game is played in America.

    Saker seems to think the game is played like chess on a 2 dimensional board. Thus, Trump is not a plant because otherwise the elites would not be attacking him so much. But the game is really played on different levels.

    The American Jewish elite was against Trump, but the Isreali elite was very pro Trump as Engdahl noted. So you really have an internal struggle between Liberal leftist Jews in America vs the right wing Jews who live in Isreal. Those Jews planted Trump, and they will benefit tremendously as Trump is going to recognize Jerusalem, dismantle Iran, and do things like build a wall which will take pressure off of Isreal for mistreating the Palestinians so poorly.

    Why boycott Isreal when America can take the hit for you? Keep in mind that the liberal left wing Jews in the Obama administration gave Nettenyahu a lot of grief.

    Incidentally, I did see an interview with Trump earlier on in his campaign where he talked about Russia and China and how ineffective the Obama administration was because Obama was driving Russia into the arms of China and everyone knows you should keep the two separate. I was surprised when I heard him say this, but it definitely is in line with what Engdahl was talking about.

    Luckily, both China and Russia have been burned by American divide and conquer in the past so I don't think they will bite this time.

    [Trump is going to ... dismantle Iran]

    Nope.

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  7. Furthermore, I think that the choice of Pence as VP is indicative a deeply misguided hope by Trump that he can appease the Neocons

    .

    The choice of Pence during the campaign was a master stroke to keep him (Trump) away from the Jesus-Christers. As VP perhaps Pence will serve the same function between Israel and the JCs.

    Finally, let’s try to make sense out of Trump’s absolutely bizarre and, frankly, irrational phobia of Iran…One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.

    Trump has about 6 months to reduce his ire towards Iran. At that point China will have rail service through Iran to Turkey. It won’t be only Russia he takes on after that.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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  8. Randal says:

    Finally, let’s try to make sense out of Trump’s absolutely bizarre and, frankly, irrational phobia of Iran. Is that not his attempt at throwing the Neocons a bone to chew on in the hope that they will let him be if he “gives” them Iran?

    The optimistic view is that Trump’s nonsense about Iran was just this – throwing bones to the loonies and the Israeli dual loyalty types so they don’t get too hostile.

    On the other hand, the appointment of Mattis, Pompeo and Flynn suggests the contrary – that Trump might actually believe the delusional US elite groupthink nonsense about Iran. And that would imply that we are about to see a direct shift in US foreign policy from anti-Russian idiocy to anti-Iranian idiocy.

    In truth, even if Trump knows in his heart that the anti-Iran stuff is stupid, can he even control his own administration on the issue in practice, with people like those three in such key positions? Low level provocations of Iran and encouragement and promotion of misleading and even outright dishonest intel and analysis is likely to be widespread, bringing to mind the runup to the 2003 attack on Iraq.

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  9. Seraphim says:

    It may be that some of Engdahl’s statements sound a bit exagerated although entirely plausible. The American ‘elite’, no matter whether they look to the right or to the left (it is cross-eyed anyhow), is religiously committed to safeguarding the interests of global “Israel”. This is the red line. But the ‘elite’ may come to every accomodation as long as the position of global “Israel” on top of the mound of doo doo is not seriously threatened.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    It may be our very initial introduction to the world of physics when we observe, whilst sitting on the pot, that poo will naturally pile up only so high and then, to our eternal delight, it just collapses in on itself.

    As our acquisition of more and more of the subtle yet eminently eternal nuances of said world of physics increases we come to realise that not only does it collapse into itself but the greater the pile so the deeper the collapse until it becomes a situation of actually sinking into and beneath itself.

    It almost explains away the near universal tendency to play with the stuff doesn't it? For little kids I mean.
  10. Randal says:

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it.

    Maybe so, maybe not. The justifiable respect for Putin’s evident competence can sometimes be overdone, and he has shown signs of naivety about the US regime in the past, given his clear desire for good relations with the US. We can hope that the Ukraine and Syria experiences have put paid to such nonsense in his mind, but it is inherent in human nature for hope to triumph over experience.

    I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility that he could make the mistake of responding too generously to US regime noises from Trump, and seriously damaging the long term trust of the Chinese, which is absolutely vital for Russia.

    On the other hand, Russia is occasionally taken for granted by China, given the unenviable position it has been put in by the sustained US aggression of the past few decades, and it wouldn’t be entirely a bad thing for Russia to make China work a little harder for the relationship. Risky stuff, though.

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    • Replies: @Boris N

    Maybe so, maybe not. The justifiable respect for Putin’s evident competence can sometimes be overdone, and he has shown signs of naivety about the US regime in the past, given his clear desire for good relations with the US. We can hope that the Ukraine and Syria experiences have put paid to such nonsense in his mind, but it is inherent in human nature for hope to triumph over experience.
     
    Western people are so gullible that they start to believe the image created by the Western MSM that Putin is indeed the omnipotent dictator. Putin is a mask, under the mask is a week ageing man with deteriorating health. He is very dependent on his retinue and his advisers, who are mostly dumb nomenklatura with the Soviet idiotic mentality. Even more he is dependent on the oligarchs who actually own and control Russia and generate the money that are so vital to Putin's power. Both of the groups are stupid and greedy, you do not expect wise and elaborate politics from them.
  11. Sean says:

    The Report from Iron Mountain

    The war system not only has been essential to the existence of nations as independent political entities, but has been equally indispensable to their stable internal political structure. Without it, no government has ever been able to obtain acquiescence in its “legitimacy,” or right to rule its society. The possibility of war provides the sense of external necessity without which nor government can long remain in power. The historical record reveals one instance after another where the failure of a regime to maintain the credibility of a war threat led to its dissolution, by the forces of private interest, or reactions to social injustice, or of other disintegrative elements. The organization of a society for the possibility of war is its principal political stabilizer. [...]
    The basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers. [...] On the long-term basis, a government’s emergency war powers — inherent in the structure of even the most libertarian of nations — define the most significant aspect of the relation between state and citizen.

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  12. eD says:

    I agree with Saker’s analysis that the idea of Trump as some brilliant deep state three dimensional chess move by the “deep state” or “analysis” is really implausible. These people started with control of the US federal government, and if they were so determined to get or risk war with Russia they already had the Democratic nominee and any of Trump’s opponents in the Republican primaries (except for Rand Paul) to do it for them. The idea that they needed Trump to rally the American public around their plans is undermined by the fact that neo-con friendly Hillary Clinton beat him in the national popular vote, and she had serious weaknesses as a candidate.

    So they could have installed their plant in the White House by, well, installing one of their pet politicians in the White House. It wouldn’t have been that difficult. Change about 100,000 votes in key states to elect Clinton, or rally around Kasich in the Republican primaries from the start instead of fooling around with people like Rubio, or Trump comes in third in Iowa. There simply wasn’t the groundswell of support for Trump that commentators on the Unz Review like to think. The American public is still willing to take it.

    A more interesting question is why Trump is making so many neo-con/ hawkish appointments to national security positions, while stating in public he wants to approve relations with Russia. Thee is a related question with economic policy, why all the usual Goldman Sachs guys AND the intention to pull out of the “trade” deals. This doesn’t really add up. But I think all this can be explained by realizing how fundamentally weak Trump’s position is. He is not really President-Elect yet and the President of the US has surprisingly little formal powers. He is in the same situation as before the Republican convention and he last pivoted towards the Republican establishment. He faces the threat of impeachment/ removal, or even losing in the Electoral College, and these both are real enough to make the pivot necessary if he wants to take office. Add to that the fact that he really doesn’t know the federal government well or who to appoint, so he turns to his friends, who are all elite/ establishment people and who hold more conventional views than Trump does. I don’t think there is more to things than this.

    For opponents of the “establishment”, the Trump campaign was always the equivalent of picking a rock off the ground and throwing it at a tank. Its not like its a particularly good weapon but there was nothing better available.

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    "For opponents of the “establishment”, the Trump campaign was always the equivalent of picking a rock off the ground and throwing it at a tank. Its not like its a particularly good weapon but there was nothing better available."

    Not sure whether this is true, but it is a good metaphor/analogy.
  13. The idea that the corporate media demonized Trump 24/7 for at least a year to get him elected is an absurdity. The idea that Trump is an agent of the Kremlin is an absurdity.

    Trump may have actually “won” the election. More likely, elements of the deep stated abandoned Hillary when they perceived that she was too damaged to be useful to them.

    Who is the source of the Podesta files and how long had Wikileaks been sitting on them?

    What is simply inconceivable to Trump’s critics is the simple fact that Trump is not an imperialist. He sees the Empire as a bad deal for America. Draining the swamp is what Erdogan is doing. Trump will not be able to oppose and defeat the entire imperial power structure. But if Trump is allowed to be inaugurated and is not assassinated we will know that the deep state is willing to deal with him. They would not have had to deal with Hillary or JEB. They already own both of them.

    The Anglo/Zio Empire is in steep decline. China and Russia are ascendant. The hope is that Trump can avoid a nuclear winter and negotiate a soft landing by being a player instead of a failed conqueror. The U.S. should be on-board the New Silk Road bandwagon. If you can’t beat them, join them. Peace and prosperity will at least become a possibility when the imperial project is finally abandoned.

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  14. Boris N says:

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now. If the Neocons really think that they can somehow reverse or even significantly affect this trend they are wrong. The USA are going down and Russia is going up, and nothing can stop this process.

    Whatever “hurray-patriots” (like the author himself) say, Russia is totally dependent on the Western financial sector, on the export of its raw resources to the West and on the import of high-tech equipment from the West (Russia could have never produced enough necessary machinery for its industry so it has been importing the required machinery from the West for the entire past century). And given the fallen oil prices which have struck Russia hard, Russia won’t go out from the deep recession for the following 5 years at least. As a Russian proverb says, “While the fat man is becoming thinner, the thin man is going to die”. While the USA may indeed be struggling with its finances but will survive in any case, Russia may really be going to bankruptcy. Russia is already struggling with the re-equipment of its Army and cutting all expenses possible, including the vital social spending.

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    This sounds like a combination of wishful thinking with utter BS. You are one of the gullible Westerners.
  15. Boris N says:
    @Randal

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it.
     
    Maybe so, maybe not. The justifiable respect for Putin's evident competence can sometimes be overdone, and he has shown signs of naivety about the US regime in the past, given his clear desire for good relations with the US. We can hope that the Ukraine and Syria experiences have put paid to such nonsense in his mind, but it is inherent in human nature for hope to triumph over experience.

    I wouldn't entirely rule out the possibility that he could make the mistake of responding too generously to US regime noises from Trump, and seriously damaging the long term trust of the Chinese, which is absolutely vital for Russia.

    On the other hand, Russia is occasionally taken for granted by China, given the unenviable position it has been put in by the sustained US aggression of the past few decades, and it wouldn't be entirely a bad thing for Russia to make China work a little harder for the relationship. Risky stuff, though.

    Maybe so, maybe not. The justifiable respect for Putin’s evident competence can sometimes be overdone, and he has shown signs of naivety about the US regime in the past, given his clear desire for good relations with the US. We can hope that the Ukraine and Syria experiences have put paid to such nonsense in his mind, but it is inherent in human nature for hope to triumph over experience.

    Western people are so gullible that they start to believe the image created by the Western MSM that Putin is indeed the omnipotent dictator. Putin is a mask, under the mask is a week ageing man with deteriorating health. He is very dependent on his retinue and his advisers, who are mostly dumb nomenklatura with the Soviet idiotic mentality. Even more he is dependent on the oligarchs who actually own and control Russia and generate the money that are so vital to Putin’s power. Both of the groups are stupid and greedy, you do not expect wise and elaborate politics from them.

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  16. alexander says:
    @Anonymous
    The normally excellent Saker misses a big part of how the game is played in America.

    Saker seems to think the game is played like chess on a 2 dimensional board. Thus, Trump is not a plant because otherwise the elites would not be attacking him so much. But the game is really played on different levels.

    The American Jewish elite was against Trump, but the Isreali elite was very pro Trump as Engdahl noted. So you really have an internal struggle between Liberal leftist Jews in America vs the right wing Jews who live in Isreal. Those Jews planted Trump, and they will benefit tremendously as Trump is going to recognize Jerusalem, dismantle Iran, and do things like build a wall which will take pressure off of Isreal for mistreating the Palestinians so poorly.

    Why boycott Isreal when America can take the hit for you? Keep in mind that the liberal left wing Jews in the Obama administration gave Nettenyahu a lot of grief.

    Incidentally, I did see an interview with Trump earlier on in his campaign where he talked about Russia and China and how ineffective the Obama administration was because Obama was driving Russia into the arms of China and everyone knows you should keep the two separate. I was surprised when I heard him say this, but it definitely is in line with what Engdahl was talking about.

    Luckily, both China and Russia have been burned by American divide and conquer in the past so I don't think they will bite this time.

    If one considers the overarching outline of our major policy initiatives since 9-11,they have ALL been decidedly pro-Israel, whether emanating from the liberal Jewish left, or the conservative Jewish right.

    Our foreign policy has been one of essentially neutering(through war) the potential “hurting power” of each of the Shiite crescent nations who stood behind the existence of Palestine over the state of Israel.

    This plan of action has continued, unabated, through both the Bush and Obama administrations.

    It has been very successful in achieving this goal.

    Iraq, Syria and Lebanon (as well as Libya) have all been systematically dismembered over the last fifteen years, in case you didn’t notice.

    Iran is the last of these nations that forms the Shiite crescent and it is also the most powerful.

    While there are many in Israel and in our administration who would welcome Iran’s defeat through war, this seems unlikely to happen in the near future.

    I will tell you why.

    One of the most effective tools that our pro war lobbyists have used to initiate these wars, has been to make it almost obscenely profitable for our war contractors (as well as our representatives) to engage them.

    The un-audited, un-discussed “profiteering” from these conflicts has amounted to trillions of US dollars.

    Trillions……….in pure profit.

    Setting aside the constitutionality and/or criminality of such behavior,The tragic flaw in this plan is that the profits were not garnered from spoils recouped from conquered nations abroad, but from the pilfered taxpayers at home.

    Our national debt has grown by a whopping 14.3 trillion dollars in a mere 16 years.
    This runaway “war profiteering” has vaporized our country’s solvency and wrecked our Nations balance sheet.

    Unleashing a full scale war on Iran, tomorrow, would no doubt cost us trillions of dollars that we simply do not have to spend..

    This is the scaly truth.

    Furthermore, this gross “war profiteering” has extracted precious resources from much needed initiatives at home, like rebuilding our ailing infrastructure, and putting our people to work in the process.

    I do believe our President understands this…so too does our Military Industrial Complex ,as do most of the Jewish Pro-Israel elite from both sides of the spectrum.

    Cutting off our nose to spite our face …..is not the best course of action.

    I believe a policy of Iran “containment” will be in place for the foreseeable future, while the US works to rebuild itself and its balance sheet , retaining throughout, a robust and potent military apparatus.

    And Israel is okay with that.

    I think President Trumps policy vis-a-vis a Greater Israel may well reflect most closely that of Sheldon Adelson and Benjamin Netanyahu.

    But in a hands off, America first, kinda way…..(but I honestly don’t know)

    It seems that the Greater Israel project will continue in force, and the complete dissolution of Palestine is right around the bend.

    I do not believe the Greater Israel project will seek to incorporate the millions of Palestinian refugees either in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan or Syria, as citizens.

    Doing so would upend the demographic majority of Jews within the greater state , in favor of the Palestinians ….and undermine the ability of Jews to control their own destiny as a nation.

    Nor will Israel choose to become Apartheid (officially or otherwise) by having a vast proletariat of voter-less Palestinians roaming around in perpetuity.

    Greater Israel will tolerate some Palestinians, I suppose, but not many beyond what would constitute 20% of the total population.

    So it looks as if the Greater Israel project proceeds apace,…and at some point in time they will have to expel (or kill) several million Palestinians to complete it.

    For better or worse, this looks like the future to me.

    I hope that in the US, the President gets very creative and unleashes multiple initiatives that will grow our GDP and our balance sheet, and puts Americans back to work.

    I do not think we will launch another major war in the near future….(but we will spend a great deal on rebuilding our military in preparation for one)

    I do not think we will have many “terror events” on our soil ….either…

    So this should be a relatively calm , shock free, terror free, and industrious four years for the USA.

    I look forward to the USA becoming a pile-driver of growth, and creativity …. Americans are ready for it.

    President Trump need not look farther than our constitutions preamble to indicate his priorities when leading a nation of free men into the future…

    .”Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

    One could even say (or at least hope) that much of this horrific war making is behind us.

    But hey….I could be wrong.

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    This is a super long comment that seems to be saying that Trump won't go to war with Iran because it would not be prudent to do so.

    Yeah right. We have never had the money to go to war, not even in Iraq, but we did so anyway.

    Cutting your nose off to spite your face is ok if it's not your face that it's happening too. That's the dilemma. If Trump is a plant as I believe then America's welfare comes second to you know who.
  17. @tom..
    Of course it's a self lying desperate delusion to believe Trump's con foreign policy that some are desperate for.

    In all of Donald Trump's previous history before the selection, name me all the times he cared for serious foreign policy, didn't say something idiotically abhorrent about it, or why he's a totally different person now re that policy.

    As well, Who in their right mind thinks that as soon as Trump starts dropping in the polls he won't start demonising Russia ? Who ?

    Here you go:

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  18. Diogenes says:

    Was there ever a US president who was a renegade and not beholden to the elite establishment?
    All US presidents are establishment figure heads, mouth pieces or show pieces and are chosen and groomed for their function in the government apparatus. Trump appears to be a psuedo- renegade but will be in practice an establishment functionary.

    As president he will be feted with pomp and circumstance but he will do what he has been advised to do by his hirelings who are always establishment insiders pushing the same establishment agenda under a new but superficial presidential guise.

    The agenda as usual is strengthen and maintain the odious Zionist cuckoo, overthrow anti American Iran, N, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, defeat American super competitors Russia and China, maintain the US as a reserve and petrodollar currency, spread neo liberalism globally through the “Washington Consensus” through it’s global institutions WTO, World Bank, etc, facilitate the global penetration of US multinationals, feed the American war economy and security state apparatus, further pamper and enrich the business and moneyed class, strive to become the sole world hegemon, and onward, ad nauseum, until death by war do us part.

    So if Trump does not deliver on the above then he will have been a renegade president. Moreover if he manages to improve the lot of the American working class and improve the economic prospects of the American white race his supporters would not care a whit if he carries on with the Imperial Agenda of the elites.

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    All US presidents are establishment figure heads, mouth pieces or show pieces and are chosen and groomed for their function in the government apparatus. Trump appears to be a psuedo- renegade but will be in practice an establishment functionary.
     
    People who think nothing ever changes are constantly surprised.

    So if Trump does not deliver on the above then he will have been a renegade president.
     
    If? Not so sure after all? Good for you.
    , @Hibernian
    "Was there ever a US president who was a renegade and not beholden to the elite establishment?"

    Maybe JFK. Maybe that's why he was shot.
    , @Exudd1
    Forthright and persuasive! Thanks.
  19. mad1 says:

    Russia GDP to Debt ratio 17.7%

    US GDP to Debt ratio 104.5%

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    The possibility, of course, is that US debt dollars, like US dollars conjured into existence by fiat then rented from the Federal Reserve branch of global banksterism, have no real value, only the force of belief invested in them.

    "Our currency isn't real, it's only belief. Not having enough of it for what you want to buy in the moment creates its shadow belief, called debt. We are happy to construct a system of numbers to quantify these various beliefs."

    Thus it gets you coming and going. In that scenario the only thing that really matters is who has the power to call in the debt, at what points, with what consequences, and who has the power to walk away from that.

    Beating banksters and financiers at their global game is best assayed by those who know how to play the game but don't have a lot of ego or religio-political credulity invested in it.

    Mr. Trump has indicated amply that his force of belief lies elsewhere than the moneychangers' temple. He's good at the game, but I've seen no indications he can be bought and sold like Crooked Hillary.

    Congress and the Dems and GOPe--quite the opposite.

  20. Philip says:

    I was mildly interested in what TheSaker had to say…until he went into his Israel/Zionism bit. I thought that was …pathetic. So old and worn out/cliched… Can’t you do any better Saker? Look at Saudi, those Wahhabi Sunnis with the worlds greatest oïl reserves, who practically own the US and have them by the balls financially. Their strategic investments in the US (many billions$) are a US state secret… Since 1974 they’ve spent $74 Billion of your money Globalising Islam…Not Jews, not Israelis…Saudi. They own, run and influence everything with Western petrodollars…yes you and all Westerners have been paying them at the pumps until very recently (fracking) to tell your govt what to do… Why do you think Saudi through the US and Turkey have founded, supported and directed ISIS from the getgo…? Israel is wary of Iran, but why interfere when Sunni and Shia are killing each other?
    Trump v Clinton. Clinton in the pockets of the Gulf, while Trump owes Saudi/the Gulf for rescuing him from bankruptcy, or so I hear.
    So Trump wins. If Clinton had won we’d have a Syrian no-fly zone within x days/weeks etc. Then War with Putin = WW3, nukes, goodbye world. Trump won, he wants 4 yrs. to ‘fix America’, give jobs back to all Americans not just whites, rebuild crumbling infrastructure etc. Then he wins a 2nd term. As lame duck he can go to war if the DC wargroup orders him to. If he refuses, there is a precedent for assassination or other form of coup d’état…
    So in 4-8 years Trump may well start a Russia/China war. Its coming. Now that I’ve abandoned Saker for his Israel nonsense I’ll go to Engdahl. See if he makes more sense…

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  21. utu says:

    Excerpts from my previous comments at Unz on Trump & Deep State & Geopolitics

    “It seems that deal was struck with the Orthodox and Hassidim and Zionists: Trump will let Israel call all the shots in Middle East and Zionists will give Trump respite from the relentless assault by the liberal Jews (NWO Jews).”

    “It seems that Russia will be saved after all and will be kept as a major player for the end game to tackle China. Russia never wanted to be pushed to be an ally of China. Brzezinski policy of Russia elimination went back to Israel centric policy.”

    “They (the Zionists, Orthodox) like NWO but but in different form. They want Israel to be in the center, near the driving seat. They do not trust the liberal Jewish elite of the West. Also there is no place for Russia in this NWO. Russia can survive only as nationalistic country which is unacceptable to the liberal NWO. So Russia will be pushed into the fatal embrace of China which Russia also wants to avoid. Trying to go with the Zionist is the last chance for Russia to survive and a chance for the Zionists.”

    “The Zionists are looking to their old allies, i.e., old European nationalists from Germany, Italy, Poland. But until recently there were no nationalists in Europe. Besides the old right had always strong antisemitic tendencies. But the New Right is no longer Antisemitic, quite the opposite. It is Islamophobic and it considers Israel as a shining example of how to deal with the Arabs and Muslims. Breivik was pretty explicit about it.

    What about the invasion of Europe by Muslim refugees? Who was behind organizing the marching columns of young men going to Europe, to Germany in summer 2015? It costed lots of money. Who was behind terrorists attack in Paris, Brussel, Nice and Munich? What if it was organized to give the boost to the New Right in Europe? So who could have been behind it? Russia and Israel?

    What about Trump that his first speech on June 15, 2015 focused on illegal immigrants, immigrant rapists, criminals and on the border on the wall? It was almost 2 months before we saw pictures from Hungary where they were in the process of building their fence and we saw the marching columns of the invasion trying to cross it? Did Trump know ahead of time or was it a pure coincidence and his luck?”

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  22. utu says:

    Trump and the Deep State: Evolution of My View

    In August 2015 when the marching columns of young male muslims in Europe became the daily occurrence in news I began to wonder how did Trump know in June 15, 2015 to focus his first speech on the subject of illegal immigration and on the building of the wall. Only then I began to take Trump seriously. His insight was not a coincidence. He or his handlers must have had the info that the refugee crisis was about to unfold soon. It was not Ann Coulter or Steve Sailer as they like to think here at Unz, who were responsible for the most important pillar of Trump’s platform. It was just an opportunistic choice promulgated by the impending invasion on Europe. And then it stuck.

    The refugee invasion was directed against Germany, not a very reliable ally of America and Israel. The Germany’s proclivity for flirtation with Russia was always suspect. Already Bismarck was saying that the secret behind his successful policy (of unification of Germany) was a good pact with Russia. Any pacts with Russia after 2014 Ukraine were verboten.

    But what really was to be accomplished by the waves of refugees? The instigators were hoping that Europe (Germany) would get its act together and help to bring the no-fly zone to Syria for the final act of planned destruction of Syria. And because of Iranian involvement on the side of Assad the bombing of Syrian and Iranian troops would derail the Iran deal that Obama has just finalized.

    But things did not go as the planners hoped for. Angela Merkel in a masterful aikido gambit embraced the refugees and thus diffused the tension obviously at high cost to Germany and German people and by doing so she gave Putin few more weeks to move into Syria to kill any chance for the American no-fly zone. All in the same month of September 2015.

    Who were the people behind Trump in June 2015? Certainly they were people with connections to CIA and Mossad.

    Who was to benefit from the refugee invasion on Europe in 2015? Those who wanted to finish Syria off and kill Obama’s deal with Iran.

    Who will benefit the most (and already does) form America’s attempt to build the wall? Israel. It legitimizes everything what Israel does.

    Is the raise of new European right resulting from the backlash to the muslim invasion a concern for the instigator of the invasion? No, as long as the traditional anti-Semitism associated with old European right is replaced with islamophobia and admiration for Israel who shows the way how to deal with muslims and Arabs.. This shift has already occurred years ago. Marine Le Pen unlike her father has very good relations with Zionists. The same goes for British right. And in extreme case it suffices to read Breivik manifesto to see the face of the New Right. And for the mild American version of it one can see hints of this realignment in comments at iSteve.

    As Trump campaign was unfolding I kept wondering whether he could have any chance to win. Were his backers really serious in having him? A guy of very limited intellect and knowledge with serious personality flaws? Really? Then I concluded that if Trump is permitted to win it may mean only one thing: the Deep State, whatever it is, have something really serious in store for us. Is it going to be a great depression, a war…?

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  23. Anonymous says:

    Engdahl writes:

    To do that preparation, a deception strategy that will fatally weaken the developing deep bonds between Russia and China will be priority. It’s already begun. We have a friendly phone call from The Donald to Vladimir the Fearsome in Moscow. Russian media is euphoric about a new era in US-Russia relations after Obama. Then suddenly we hear the war-mongering NATO head, Stoltenberg, suddenly purr soothing words to Russia. Float the idea that California Congressman and Putin acquaintance, Dana Rohrabacher, is leaked as a possible Secretary of State. It’s classic Kissinger Balance of Power geopolitics–seem to ally with the weaker of two mortal enemies, Russia, to isolate the stronger, China.

    And today, Trump made a call to the president of Taiwan:

    “Democratic senator says Trump’s ‘major pivots in foreign policy’ are ‘how wars start’”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-murphy-trump-foreign-policy-2016-12

    Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut blasted Donald Trump in a Friday evening tweetstorm after the president-elect made a phone call to the president of Taiwan.

    The move that could strain US relations with China. Trump’s call to President Tsai Ing-wen is the first time a US president has directly spoken with Taiwan’s leadership in more than 30 years.

    The US suspended formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan in 1979 after establishing a One China position in an effort to establish diplomatic channels with Beijing.

    In a tweetstorm, Murphy warned that Trump’s “major pivots in foreign policy” are “how wars start”:

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    According to the NYT front page, State Department types are appalled or astonished or extremely nonplussed that Trump has circumvented them and called up a few national leaders to say "Hi!"

    I find this hysterically funny.
    But he may in fact need some background information and research in teh future. The question is, can he get "good" info from the State Department and other DC foreign policy bureaucracies, lobbiest, think tanks, etc.?
    He'll have to read the alternative press for "good" info!!
  24. @Diogenes
    Was there ever a US president who was a renegade and not beholden to the elite establishment?
    All US presidents are establishment figure heads, mouth pieces or show pieces and are chosen and groomed for their function in the government apparatus. Trump appears to be a psuedo- renegade but will be in practice an establishment functionary.

    As president he will be feted with pomp and circumstance but he will do what he has been advised to do by his hirelings who are always establishment insiders pushing the same establishment agenda under a new but superficial presidential guise.

    The agenda as usual is strengthen and maintain the odious Zionist cuckoo, overthrow anti American Iran, N, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, defeat American super competitors Russia and China, maintain the US as a reserve and petrodollar currency, spread neo liberalism globally through the "Washington Consensus" through it's global institutions WTO, World Bank, etc, facilitate the global penetration of US multinationals, feed the American war economy and security state apparatus, further pamper and enrich the business and moneyed class, strive to become the sole world hegemon, and onward, ad nauseum, until death by war do us part.

    So if Trump does not deliver on the above then he will have been a renegade president. Moreover if he manages to improve the lot of the American working class and improve the economic prospects of the American white race his supporters would not care a whit if he carries on with the Imperial Agenda of the elites.

    All US presidents are establishment figure heads, mouth pieces or show pieces and are chosen and groomed for their function in the government apparatus. Trump appears to be a psuedo- renegade but will be in practice an establishment functionary.

    People who think nothing ever changes are constantly surprised.

    So if Trump does not deliver on the above then he will have been a renegade president.

    If? Not so sure after all? Good for you.

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  25. Anonymous says:

    The US does need to fight sooner rather than later before Russia or China get too powerful. At this point in time, the US can still win a war against Russia or China or even both of them at the same time, though there would be significant domestic American casualties. That might become more difficult in the future

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    How bout you do the fighting then eh?

    It's clear that you think you will be safe in your mom's basement and won't be bothered to much while other people do the dieing, but it won't be like that in real life.

    The Russians and Chinese soldiers are tough people who didn't grow up pampered like you. They will fight for their nations survival.

    American soldiers will be fighting for what? For Wallstreet? For Isreal?

    Lastly, I don't think America could beat Russia or China in a conventional war either. American tech is better, but we would have to attack them on their ground half way across the world. A scenario both countries have built their defense to counter specifically.
  26. “Finally, let’s try to make sense out of Trump’s absolutely bizarre and, frankly, irrational phobia of Iran.”

    It is not a phobia.Trump doesn’t know Iran from a hole in the ground. He is just following orders.

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  27. Anonymous says:
    @alexander
    If one considers the overarching outline of our major policy initiatives since 9-11,they have ALL been decidedly pro-Israel, whether emanating from the liberal Jewish left, or the conservative Jewish right.

    Our foreign policy has been one of essentially neutering(through war) the potential "hurting power" of each of the Shiite crescent nations who stood behind the existence of Palestine over the state of Israel.

    This plan of action has continued, unabated, through both the Bush and Obama administrations.

    It has been very successful in achieving this goal.

    Iraq, Syria and Lebanon (as well as Libya) have all been systematically dismembered over the last fifteen years, in case you didn't notice.

    Iran is the last of these nations that forms the Shiite crescent and it is also the most powerful.

    While there are many in Israel and in our administration who would welcome Iran's defeat through war, this seems unlikely to happen in the near future.

    I will tell you why.

    One of the most effective tools that our pro war lobbyists have used to initiate these wars, has been to make it almost obscenely profitable for our war contractors (as well as our representatives) to engage them.

    The un-audited, un-discussed "profiteering" from these conflicts has amounted to trillions of US dollars.

    Trillions..........in pure profit.


    Setting aside the constitutionality and/or criminality of such behavior,The tragic flaw in this plan is that the profits were not garnered from spoils recouped from conquered nations abroad, but from the pilfered taxpayers at home.

    Our national debt has grown by a whopping 14.3 trillion dollars in a mere 16 years.
    This runaway "war profiteering" has vaporized our country's solvency and wrecked our Nations balance sheet.

    Unleashing a full scale war on Iran, tomorrow, would no doubt cost us trillions of dollars that we simply do not have to spend..

    This is the scaly truth.

    Furthermore, this gross "war profiteering" has extracted precious resources from much needed initiatives at home, like rebuilding our ailing infrastructure, and putting our people to work in the process.

    I do believe our President understands this...so too does our Military Industrial Complex ,as do most of the Jewish Pro-Israel elite from both sides of the spectrum.

    Cutting off our nose to spite our face .....is not the best course of action.

    I believe a policy of Iran "containment" will be in place for the foreseeable future, while the US works to rebuild itself and its balance sheet , retaining throughout, a robust and potent military apparatus.

    And Israel is okay with that.

    I think President Trumps policy vis-a-vis a Greater Israel may well reflect most closely that of Sheldon Adelson and Benjamin Netanyahu.

    But in a hands off, America first, kinda way.....(but I honestly don't know)

    It seems that the Greater Israel project will continue in force, and the complete dissolution of Palestine is right around the bend.

    I do not believe the Greater Israel project will seek to incorporate the millions of Palestinian refugees either in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan or Syria, as citizens.

    Doing so would upend the demographic majority of Jews within the greater state , in favor of the Palestinians ....and undermine the ability of Jews to control their own destiny as a nation.

    Nor will Israel choose to become Apartheid (officially or otherwise) by having a vast proletariat of voter-less Palestinians roaming around in perpetuity.

    Greater Israel will tolerate some Palestinians, I suppose, but not many beyond what would constitute 20% of the total population.

    So it looks as if the Greater Israel project proceeds apace,...and at some point in time they will have to expel (or kill) several million Palestinians to complete it.

    For better or worse, this looks like the future to me.

    I hope that in the US, the President gets very creative and unleashes multiple initiatives that will grow our GDP and our balance sheet, and puts Americans back to work.

    I do not think we will launch another major war in the near future....(but we will spend a great deal on rebuilding our military in preparation for one)

    I do not think we will have many "terror events" on our soil ....either...

    So this should be a relatively calm , shock free, terror free, and industrious four years for the USA.

    I look forward to the USA becoming a pile-driver of growth, and creativity .... Americans are ready for it.

    President Trump need not look farther than our constitutions preamble to indicate his priorities when leading a nation of free men into the future...

    ."Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

    One could even say (or at least hope) that much of this horrific war making is behind us.

    But hey....I could be wrong.

    This is a super long comment that seems to be saying that Trump won’t go to war with Iran because it would not be prudent to do so.

    Yeah right. We have never had the money to go to war, not even in Iraq, but we did so anyway.

    Cutting your nose off to spite your face is ok if it’s not your face that it’s happening too. That’s the dilemma. If Trump is a plant as I believe then America’s welfare comes second to you know who.

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  28. Anonymous says:
    @Anon
    "Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay."

    Saker, I respect you, but that is too funny.

    Russians are not corrupt? Russians are drunkards who catch fish with their dicks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpXdPNWlLk

    Anon, are you a fish?

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  29. Seraphim says:
    @Boris N

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now. If the Neocons really think that they can somehow reverse or even significantly affect this trend they are wrong. The USA are going down and Russia is going up, and nothing can stop this process.
     
    Whatever "hurray-patriots" (like the author himself) say, Russia is totally dependent on the Western financial sector, on the export of its raw resources to the West and on the import of high-tech equipment from the West (Russia could have never produced enough necessary machinery for its industry so it has been importing the required machinery from the West for the entire past century). And given the fallen oil prices which have struck Russia hard, Russia won't go out from the deep recession for the following 5 years at least. As a Russian proverb says, "While the fat man is becoming thinner, the thin man is going to die". While the USA may indeed be struggling with its finances but will survive in any case, Russia may really be going to bankruptcy. Russia is already struggling with the re-equipment of its Army and cutting all expenses possible, including the vital social spending.

    This sounds like a combination of wishful thinking with utter BS. You are one of the gullible Westerners.

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    No, I just read various Russian media and open economical statistics. Russian economics is in a depression, many Russian officials have been saying this openly for the past three years. But most Westerners do not and cannot know that, mostly because they do not know Russian and have little idea about the country. They simply do not live in the media space I live in. Even if they are curious they would rather realy upon RT or phoney guys like The Saker. Also I live in the country and can directly see how the country is going by simply looking at constantly rising prices and stagnating wages and pensions, etc. On the other hand, The Saker with his family lives in the USA and can freely and without any remorse say any possible fantasy about Russia, true or false, simply because it is very unlikely he gives a damn about the country he's been writing. For him writing about Russia is some sort of a hobby, or better, a psychological therapy. He may say whatever fantasy about Russia comes into his mind. I only wonder why people still read and believe him. The fact the Western MSM constantly lie about Russia does not make mirrored fantasies of some Russophilic loonies any better.
  30. JVC says:
    @Anon
    "Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay."

    Saker, I respect you, but that is too funny.

    Russians are not corrupt? Russians are drunkards who catch fish with their dicks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpXdPNWlLk

    one only needs to look at the development and deployment of new weapon systems by both countries. Both the F-35, and the new Navy LCS programs are jokes–nothing but cash cows for the IMC (plus congress). Neither can possibly fulfill even part of their proclaimed missions. Meanwhile, Russia, actually seems to be deploying some new, rather sophisticated systems, while we dither.

    Guy in the picture does seem to be somewhat of a joke—like jackass for instance–but in no way represents the Russian capabilities.

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  31. Hibernian says:
    @Diogenes
    Was there ever a US president who was a renegade and not beholden to the elite establishment?
    All US presidents are establishment figure heads, mouth pieces or show pieces and are chosen and groomed for their function in the government apparatus. Trump appears to be a psuedo- renegade but will be in practice an establishment functionary.

    As president he will be feted with pomp and circumstance but he will do what he has been advised to do by his hirelings who are always establishment insiders pushing the same establishment agenda under a new but superficial presidential guise.

    The agenda as usual is strengthen and maintain the odious Zionist cuckoo, overthrow anti American Iran, N, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, defeat American super competitors Russia and China, maintain the US as a reserve and petrodollar currency, spread neo liberalism globally through the "Washington Consensus" through it's global institutions WTO, World Bank, etc, facilitate the global penetration of US multinationals, feed the American war economy and security state apparatus, further pamper and enrich the business and moneyed class, strive to become the sole world hegemon, and onward, ad nauseum, until death by war do us part.

    So if Trump does not deliver on the above then he will have been a renegade president. Moreover if he manages to improve the lot of the American working class and improve the economic prospects of the American white race his supporters would not care a whit if he carries on with the Imperial Agenda of the elites.

    “Was there ever a US president who was a renegade and not beholden to the elite establishment?”

    Maybe JFK. Maybe that’s why he was shot.

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  32. … Soros & Co. to get Jill Stein to get a recount only in the states

    I don’t think there’s anything particularly devious about what Jill stein is doing other than raising cash for the Green Party. The recount will happen, validate Trump, humiliate HRC even further, and Based Healing Crystals Merchant gets to walk away with the $$$ donated by butthurt Clintonites.

    Engdahl also brings some very strong arguments against the nomination of General Mike Flynn who not only is known for his rather crude anti-Islamic rhetoric, but who even co-authored a book with the notorious Neocon Michael Ledeen.

    Just FTR while The Saker might care about “crude anti-Islamic rhetoric” Russians generally do not.

    … that some Electors are now being pressured not to give their vote to Trump, as the law says they should.

    Yes, there’s a campaign though not a very prominent one to have that happen. It would have been a risk if the margin of victory had been close, but Trump has 36 EC votes to spare. So a legalistic coup like this would be nigh impossible.

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it. In fact, such a possibility has been discussed many times by Russian experts on various Russian talkshows and they all agree that while Russia will definitely tone down its criticism of the USA if Trump appears to be interested in collaborating with Russia, there is no chance in hell that Moscow would in any way let the Americans weaken or otherwise affect the unofficial but extremely strong strategic partnership between Russia and China.

    I agree. The time for that was in the 1990s, or at most, the early 2000s.

    Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now.

    The Russian defense sector is far more corrupt than the American one (for instance, no American defense minister furniture salesman has stolen $100 million+ and escaped unpunished). Possibly there is less waste, and certainly there is much more bang for the buck due to purchasing power differences. But that is separate from corruption.

    Trump has hinted that US military spending is going to be increased again, whereas there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions). So the idea that Russian military power is going to substantively gain on American military power in the next few years seems unlikely.

    Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”.

    In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).

    One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.

    I realize the Shi’ites are brothers to dedicated Putinists since, well, c.2015, but Russia has no reason to care very much about Iran. The warm relations between them are historically novel and driven entirely by convenience. If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name “Ukraine” then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.

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    If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name “Ukraine” then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.
     
    Russia has a vital interest in stability along its southern border and in having a counterweight to the gulf states.
    , @5371
    [Possibly there is less waste ... But that is separate from corruption.]

    I have questionable procurement practices, you waste, he is corrupt.

    [there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions)]

    In a serious geopolitical context, Russia will not restrict military spending to the official budget.

    [In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).]

    If Trump hands over foreign policy to people like Mattis and Romney, his presidency will go south.
    , @TheJester
    The American military-industrial complex seems hopelessly and shamelessly incompetent. I'll offer two examples of potentially trillions of dollars that the US military will shortly spend for marginal military utility: (1) the F-35 aircraft procurement, and (2) the Littoral Combat Ship procurement. QED At this point, the US military ought to be fearful of pursuing additional advanced weapons systems. Precedence is working too hard against them. Additional cycles of trying to reform the DoD procurement system in attempts to improve military and technical outcomes is not likely to work. DoD has been trying to do that since the 1960s.

    At the same time, the Russians and Chinese are startling those who care to notice with their advanced weapons systems that "check" or "checkmate" American military capabilities at a fraction of the cost. Carrier battle groups in the age of hypersonic cruise missiles? Really!

    The US military is starting to experience the imperial morass that plagued the Roman Empire in the 5th century in its failed attempts to push back the Germanic barbarians and the more recent 20th Century attempts on the part of the British Empire to suppress Germany. For both the Romans and the British, nothing seemed to work as planned due to political corruption, political correctness, and (being hopelessly tied to the past) the inability to adjust policy, strategy, tactics, and weapons to current conditions. For both, the arrogance and myopia that seems to plague imperial bureaucracies cost them their empires.

    , @Anonymous
    I disagree about how Russias views Iran.

    Russia understands that Iran is major domino. And if the west topples Iran, that is all the more pressure to topple Russia next.

    Iran is a major ally against the Anglo Zionist empire, so Putin has every incentive to support them especially as shiiets have such a prominent role in Iraq, Syria, and Saudia Arabia.
  33. Anonymous says:

    Trump will exterminate the Iranians. Russia will not object or intervene because Trump will back off on the Ukraine and allow Russia to regain it.

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    That would be a stupid trade for Russia.

    Iran is a major threat to the Anglo Zionist empire that is targeting Russia. Why would they allow Iran to fall when Russia would be next no matter what Trump says.

    Meanwhile Russia could just work with Iran to push out America and the terrorists and they have an portal Ally in case Trump loses next election or the west back stabs him.
  34. Thirdeye says:

    I wouldn’t call the neocons’ problem short-term thinking. Their long-term goals have been pretty clear – Eretz Israel hydrated by the Litani River and fed off the lands of the western Fertile Crescent, i.e. the Syrian farm belt; control of Russian resources by Western financiers per Madeleine Albright; dictating to China the terms on which they engage with the rest of the world; reduction of Iran and other potential regional power centers to destitution and impotence…. Their problems arise when they fail to realize that every action towards their goals triggers a response from local interests not aligned with their own and that tweaking every outcome towards their liking is beyond their capabilities. Iran’s influence grew as an inevitable result of both Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon and the US war against Iraq. Fundamentalist Jihadism got a boost from the West’s anti-Russian campaigns in Afghanistan and the Caucasus region, and from American efforts to head off increased Iranian influence in Iraq. Their Russian and Iranian “Maidan” projects have failed. Their goals in Syria and eastern Europe are unattainable without the risk of nuclear annihilation.

    Trump seems like a reactive guy with a short-term focus and therein lies the ability of the neocons to manipulate him. That seems to underlie his stance towards Iran, which undermines his desire to do in the Jihadis in Syria and Iraq. Somebody – maybe Putin – needs to ask him why he’s so excited about Iran while it was the Saudis who sponsored the attacks which killed over 3000 Americans.

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  35. Thirdeye says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... Soros & Co. to get Jill Stein to get a recount only in the states
     
    I don't think there's anything particularly devious about what Jill stein is doing other than raising cash for the Green Party. The recount will happen, validate Trump, humiliate HRC even further, and Based Healing Crystals Merchant gets to walk away with the $$$ donated by butthurt Clintonites.

    Engdahl also brings some very strong arguments against the nomination of General Mike Flynn who not only is known for his rather crude anti-Islamic rhetoric, but who even co-authored a book with the notorious Neocon Michael Ledeen.
     
    Just FTR while The Saker might care about "crude anti-Islamic rhetoric" Russians generally do not.

    ... that some Electors are now being pressured not to give their vote to Trump, as the law says they should.
     
    Yes, there's a campaign though not a very prominent one to have that happen. It would have been a risk if the margin of victory had been close, but Trump has 36 EC votes to spare. So a legalistic coup like this would be nigh impossible.

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it. In fact, such a possibility has been discussed many times by Russian experts on various Russian talkshows and they all agree that while Russia will definitely tone down its criticism of the USA if Trump appears to be interested in collaborating with Russia, there is no chance in hell that Moscow would in any way let the Americans weaken or otherwise affect the unofficial but extremely strong strategic partnership between Russia and China.
     
    I agree. The time for that was in the 1990s, or at most, the early 2000s.

    Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now.
     
    The Russian defense sector is far more corrupt than the American one (for instance, no American defense minister furniture salesman has stolen $100 million+ and escaped unpunished). Possibly there is less waste, and certainly there is much more bang for the buck due to purchasing power differences. But that is separate from corruption.

    Trump has hinted that US military spending is going to be increased again, whereas there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions). So the idea that Russian military power is going to substantively gain on American military power in the next few years seems unlikely.

    Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”.
     
    In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).

    One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.
     
    I realize the Shi'ites are brothers to dedicated Putinists since, well, c.2015, but Russia has no reason to care very much about Iran. The warm relations between them are historically novel and driven entirely by convenience. If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name "Ukraine" then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.

    If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name “Ukraine” then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.

    Russia has a vital interest in stability along its southern border and in having a counterweight to the gulf states.

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    Russia has a vital interest in stability along its southern border and in having a counterweight to the gulf states.
     
    So, this would explain the treatment of US "vital interests" with respect to our "southern border"?
  36. 5371 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... Soros & Co. to get Jill Stein to get a recount only in the states
     
    I don't think there's anything particularly devious about what Jill stein is doing other than raising cash for the Green Party. The recount will happen, validate Trump, humiliate HRC even further, and Based Healing Crystals Merchant gets to walk away with the $$$ donated by butthurt Clintonites.

    Engdahl also brings some very strong arguments against the nomination of General Mike Flynn who not only is known for his rather crude anti-Islamic rhetoric, but who even co-authored a book with the notorious Neocon Michael Ledeen.
     
    Just FTR while The Saker might care about "crude anti-Islamic rhetoric" Russians generally do not.

    ... that some Electors are now being pressured not to give their vote to Trump, as the law says they should.
     
    Yes, there's a campaign though not a very prominent one to have that happen. It would have been a risk if the margin of victory had been close, but Trump has 36 EC votes to spare. So a legalistic coup like this would be nigh impossible.

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it. In fact, such a possibility has been discussed many times by Russian experts on various Russian talkshows and they all agree that while Russia will definitely tone down its criticism of the USA if Trump appears to be interested in collaborating with Russia, there is no chance in hell that Moscow would in any way let the Americans weaken or otherwise affect the unofficial but extremely strong strategic partnership between Russia and China.
     
    I agree. The time for that was in the 1990s, or at most, the early 2000s.

    Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now.
     
    The Russian defense sector is far more corrupt than the American one (for instance, no American defense minister furniture salesman has stolen $100 million+ and escaped unpunished). Possibly there is less waste, and certainly there is much more bang for the buck due to purchasing power differences. But that is separate from corruption.

    Trump has hinted that US military spending is going to be increased again, whereas there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions). So the idea that Russian military power is going to substantively gain on American military power in the next few years seems unlikely.

    Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”.
     
    In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).

    One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.
     
    I realize the Shi'ites are brothers to dedicated Putinists since, well, c.2015, but Russia has no reason to care very much about Iran. The warm relations between them are historically novel and driven entirely by convenience. If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name "Ukraine" then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.

    [Possibly there is less waste ... But that is separate from corruption.]

    I have questionable procurement practices, you waste, he is corrupt.

    [there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions)]

    In a serious geopolitical context, Russia will not restrict military spending to the official budget.

    [In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).]

    If Trump hands over foreign policy to people like Mattis and Romney, his presidency will go south.

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  37. TheJester says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... Soros & Co. to get Jill Stein to get a recount only in the states
     
    I don't think there's anything particularly devious about what Jill stein is doing other than raising cash for the Green Party. The recount will happen, validate Trump, humiliate HRC even further, and Based Healing Crystals Merchant gets to walk away with the $$$ donated by butthurt Clintonites.

    Engdahl also brings some very strong arguments against the nomination of General Mike Flynn who not only is known for his rather crude anti-Islamic rhetoric, but who even co-authored a book with the notorious Neocon Michael Ledeen.
     
    Just FTR while The Saker might care about "crude anti-Islamic rhetoric" Russians generally do not.

    ... that some Electors are now being pressured not to give their vote to Trump, as the law says they should.
     
    Yes, there's a campaign though not a very prominent one to have that happen. It would have been a risk if the margin of victory had been close, but Trump has 36 EC votes to spare. So a legalistic coup like this would be nigh impossible.

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it. In fact, such a possibility has been discussed many times by Russian experts on various Russian talkshows and they all agree that while Russia will definitely tone down its criticism of the USA if Trump appears to be interested in collaborating with Russia, there is no chance in hell that Moscow would in any way let the Americans weaken or otherwise affect the unofficial but extremely strong strategic partnership between Russia and China.
     
    I agree. The time for that was in the 1990s, or at most, the early 2000s.

    Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now.
     
    The Russian defense sector is far more corrupt than the American one (for instance, no American defense minister furniture salesman has stolen $100 million+ and escaped unpunished). Possibly there is less waste, and certainly there is much more bang for the buck due to purchasing power differences. But that is separate from corruption.

    Trump has hinted that US military spending is going to be increased again, whereas there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions). So the idea that Russian military power is going to substantively gain on American military power in the next few years seems unlikely.

    Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”.
     
    In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).

    One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.
     
    I realize the Shi'ites are brothers to dedicated Putinists since, well, c.2015, but Russia has no reason to care very much about Iran. The warm relations between them are historically novel and driven entirely by convenience. If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name "Ukraine" then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.

    The American military-industrial complex seems hopelessly and shamelessly incompetent. I’ll offer two examples of potentially trillions of dollars that the US military will shortly spend for marginal military utility: (1) the F-35 aircraft procurement, and (2) the Littoral Combat Ship procurement. QED At this point, the US military ought to be fearful of pursuing additional advanced weapons systems. Precedence is working too hard against them. Additional cycles of trying to reform the DoD procurement system in attempts to improve military and technical outcomes is not likely to work. DoD has been trying to do that since the 1960s.

    At the same time, the Russians and Chinese are startling those who care to notice with their advanced weapons systems that “check” or “checkmate” American military capabilities at a fraction of the cost. Carrier battle groups in the age of hypersonic cruise missiles? Really!

    The US military is starting to experience the imperial morass that plagued the Roman Empire in the 5th century in its failed attempts to push back the Germanic barbarians and the more recent 20th Century attempts on the part of the British Empire to suppress Germany. For both the Romans and the British, nothing seemed to work as planned due to political corruption, political correctness, and (being hopelessly tied to the past) the inability to adjust policy, strategy, tactics, and weapons to current conditions. For both, the arrogance and myopia that seems to plague imperial bureaucracies cost them their empires.

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  38. knil says:

    I know that your tribe hate Russia immensely Schlomo but that passionate hate which targets anything that fails to be Jewish is also blind. Think of that for a second, if you can….

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  39. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @Thirdeye

    If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name “Ukraine” then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.
     
    Russia has a vital interest in stability along its southern border and in having a counterweight to the gulf states.

    Russia has a vital interest in stability along its southern border and in having a counterweight to the gulf states.

    So, this would explain the treatment of US “vital interests” with respect to our “southern border”?

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  40. @Anon
    "Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay."

    Saker, I respect you, but that is too funny.

    Russians are not corrupt? Russians are drunkards who catch fish with their dicks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpXdPNWlLk

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he’s 100% correct; yes, “the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay”.

    The corruption that brought the Jews to power in the U.S. is a double-edged sword. The U.S. government cannot procure cost-effective weaponry for the same reason that U.S. citizens cannot get cost-effective health care, education or housing for example. The corruption is everywhere and it’s getting worse by the day.

    What’s “too funny” is your disagreement with an obvious, generally accepted fact.

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    "The U.S. government cannot procure cost-effective weaponry for the same reason that U.S. citizens cannot get cost-effective health care, education or housing for example. The corruption is everywhere and it’s getting worse by the day." - Good analogy. Yes, it is a systemic corruption but most Americans when thinking about high costs of health care do not think of corruption because they were so indoctrinated by the "private is better than public" slogans.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Great post summing up so very much and so succinctly. Cheers
  41. anonymous says:

    The Engdahl article strikes me as being silly. He is affiliated with Lyndon Larouche, a political cult group fond of weaving elaborate narratives and who are somewhat opaque in what they are actually about, but then cults are like that. Not a very reliable go-to source. Were Trump to really be some handpicked vehicle he would have been vetted somewhere along the line. Has he ever been a member of the CFR or other group where their talent scouts could size him up? No, it doesn’t appear that he picked up any sponsors along the way like Obama did.
    People didn’t have all that many choices. Nobody wanted another Bush, that brand is worn out. Rubio was a midget, Cruz was just some business-as-usual type who promised nothing new that people actually wanted. As we all know, Clinton came with a considerable baggage of sleaze and was unpalatable to many voters. Trump enunciated what a lot of people were thinking so once they actually listened to him they liked what they heard. This in spite of the media propaganda tsunami. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves and panic over what Trump will-or won’t-do; we’ll just get sucked into the propaganda circus swirling about us. Next year at this time things will have clarified enough to draw some conclusions. One thing I feel is certain and that is we really dodged a huge bullet in not electing Clinton.

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    " Next year at this time things will have clarified enough to draw some conclusions. One thing I feel is certain and that is we really dodged a huge bullet in not electing Clinton."

    Agreed!
  42. utu says:
    @Harold Smith
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he's 100% correct; yes, "the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay".

    The corruption that brought the Jews to power in the U.S. is a double-edged sword. The U.S. government cannot procure cost-effective weaponry for the same reason that U.S. citizens cannot get cost-effective health care, education or housing for example. The corruption is everywhere and it's getting worse by the day.

    What's "too funny" is your disagreement with an obvious, generally accepted fact.

    “The U.S. government cannot procure cost-effective weaponry for the same reason that U.S. citizens cannot get cost-effective health care, education or housing for example. The corruption is everywhere and it’s getting worse by the day.” – Good analogy. Yes, it is a systemic corruption but most Americans when thinking about high costs of health care do not think of corruption because they were so indoctrinated by the “private is better than public” slogans.

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  43. Anonymous says:
    @Anonymous
    The US does need to fight sooner rather than later before Russia or China get too powerful. At this point in time, the US can still win a war against Russia or China or even both of them at the same time, though there would be significant domestic American casualties. That might become more difficult in the future

    How bout you do the fighting then eh?

    It’s clear that you think you will be safe in your mom’s basement and won’t be bothered to much while other people do the dieing, but it won’t be like that in real life.

    The Russians and Chinese soldiers are tough people who didn’t grow up pampered like you. They will fight for their nations survival.

    American soldiers will be fighting for what? For Wallstreet? For Isreal?

    Lastly, I don’t think America could beat Russia or China in a conventional war either. American tech is better, but we would have to attack them on their ground half way across the world. A scenario both countries have built their defense to counter specifically.

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    It would be waged by America and her allies - NATO and Japan. And it would be nuclear. Initial nuclear strikes on Moscow, St. Petersburg, Beijing, and Shanghai, followed by blanket nuclear strikes on everything between Moscow/St. Petersburg and Beijing/Shanghai. Russia and China would be unable to retaliate against Europe, the Pacific Rim, and North America before succumbing to the nuclear strikes.
  44. Anonymous says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... Soros & Co. to get Jill Stein to get a recount only in the states
     
    I don't think there's anything particularly devious about what Jill stein is doing other than raising cash for the Green Party. The recount will happen, validate Trump, humiliate HRC even further, and Based Healing Crystals Merchant gets to walk away with the $$$ donated by butthurt Clintonites.

    Engdahl also brings some very strong arguments against the nomination of General Mike Flynn who not only is known for his rather crude anti-Islamic rhetoric, but who even co-authored a book with the notorious Neocon Michael Ledeen.
     
    Just FTR while The Saker might care about "crude anti-Islamic rhetoric" Russians generally do not.

    ... that some Electors are now being pressured not to give their vote to Trump, as the law says they should.
     
    Yes, there's a campaign though not a very prominent one to have that happen. It would have been a risk if the margin of victory had been close, but Trump has 36 EC votes to spare. So a legalistic coup like this would be nigh impossible.

    If that indeed the plan, then I fully agree with Engdahl – Putin is not so naive or stupid to fall for it. In fact, such a possibility has been discussed many times by Russian experts on various Russian talkshows and they all agree that while Russia will definitely tone down its criticism of the USA if Trump appears to be interested in collaborating with Russia, there is no chance in hell that Moscow would in any way let the Americans weaken or otherwise affect the unofficial but extremely strong strategic partnership between Russia and China.
     
    I agree. The time for that was in the 1990s, or at most, the early 2000s.

    Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay.

    Contrary to what some Russian (and non-Russian) hurray-patriots think, Russia is still much weaker than the USA, but she is catching up at a rate which the USA is simply not able to match, Trump or not Trump, so the power ratio of the USA to Russia in four years will be even more favorable to Russia than it is now.
     
    The Russian defense sector is far more corrupt than the American one (for instance, no American defense minister furniture salesman has stolen $100 million+ and escaped unpunished). Possibly there is less waste, and certainly there is much more bang for the buck due to purchasing power differences. But that is separate from corruption.

    Trump has hinted that US military spending is going to be increased again, whereas there is no more scope for increasing military spending in Russia except by digging further into social spending (not happening, as elections are approaching) or going into debt (not happening, due to sanctions). So the idea that Russian military power is going to substantively gain on American military power in the next few years seems unlikely.

    Simply put – I don’t think that Trump will be the “American Putin”.
     
    In many ways Trump is better than Putin. (Though necessarily only judging on rhetoric thus far).

    One thing is absolutely certain: if the Americans attack Iran, any rapprochement with Russia will immediately go down the tubes. There is no way Trump can get some kind of partnership with Russia while threatening Iran. Yet another contradiction in the putative Neocon plan.
     
    I realize the Shi'ites are brothers to dedicated Putinists since, well, c.2015, but Russia has no reason to care very much about Iran. The warm relations between them are historically novel and driven entirely by convenience. If the US stops supporting the Russian separatist entity that currently goes under the name "Ukraine" then it would make no sense for Russia to hinder any designs the US might have against Iran.

    I disagree about how Russias views Iran.

    Russia understands that Iran is major domino. And if the west topples Iran, that is all the more pressure to topple Russia next.

    Iran is a major ally against the Anglo Zionist empire, so Putin has every incentive to support them especially as shiiets have such a prominent role in Iraq, Syria, and Saudia Arabia.

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  45. Anonymous says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump will exterminate the Iranians. Russia will not object or intervene because Trump will back off on the Ukraine and allow Russia to regain it.

    That would be a stupid trade for Russia.

    Iran is a major threat to the Anglo Zionist empire that is targeting Russia. Why would they allow Iran to fall when Russia would be next no matter what Trump says.

    Meanwhile Russia could just work with Iran to push out America and the terrorists and they have an portal Ally in case Trump loses next election or the west back stabs him.

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    "Iran is a major threat to the Anglo Zionist " - Actually I do not understand why Iran is considered a threat.
  46. Skeptikal says:
    @eD
    I agree with Saker's analysis that the idea of Trump as some brilliant deep state three dimensional chess move by the "deep state" or "analysis" is really implausible. These people started with control of the US federal government, and if they were so determined to get or risk war with Russia they already had the Democratic nominee and any of Trump's opponents in the Republican primaries (except for Rand Paul) to do it for them. The idea that they needed Trump to rally the American public around their plans is undermined by the fact that neo-con friendly Hillary Clinton beat him in the national popular vote, and she had serious weaknesses as a candidate.

    So they could have installed their plant in the White House by, well, installing one of their pet politicians in the White House. It wouldn't have been that difficult. Change about 100,000 votes in key states to elect Clinton, or rally around Kasich in the Republican primaries from the start instead of fooling around with people like Rubio, or Trump comes in third in Iowa. There simply wasn't the groundswell of support for Trump that commentators on the Unz Review like to think. The American public is still willing to take it.

    A more interesting question is why Trump is making so many neo-con/ hawkish appointments to national security positions, while stating in public he wants to approve relations with Russia. Thee is a related question with economic policy, why all the usual Goldman Sachs guys AND the intention to pull out of the "trade" deals. This doesn't really add up. But I think all this can be explained by realizing how fundamentally weak Trump's position is. He is not really President-Elect yet and the President of the US has surprisingly little formal powers. He is in the same situation as before the Republican convention and he last pivoted towards the Republican establishment. He faces the threat of impeachment/ removal, or even losing in the Electoral College, and these both are real enough to make the pivot necessary if he wants to take office. Add to that the fact that he really doesn't know the federal government well or who to appoint, so he turns to his friends, who are all elite/ establishment people and who hold more conventional views than Trump does. I don't think there is more to things than this.

    For opponents of the "establishment", the Trump campaign was always the equivalent of picking a rock off the ground and throwing it at a tank. Its not like its a particularly good weapon but there was nothing better available.

    “For opponents of the “establishment”, the Trump campaign was always the equivalent of picking a rock off the ground and throwing it at a tank. Its not like its a particularly good weapon but there was nothing better available.”

    Not sure whether this is true, but it is a good metaphor/analogy.

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  47. Skeptikal says:
    @Anonymous
    Engdahl writes:

    To do that preparation, a deception strategy that will fatally weaken the developing deep bonds between Russia and China will be priority. It’s already begun. We have a friendly phone call from The Donald to Vladimir the Fearsome in Moscow. Russian media is euphoric about a new era in US-Russia relations after Obama. Then suddenly we hear the war-mongering NATO head, Stoltenberg, suddenly purr soothing words to Russia. Float the idea that California Congressman and Putin acquaintance, Dana Rohrabacher, is leaked as a possible Secretary of State. It’s classic Kissinger Balance of Power geopolitics–seem to ally with the weaker of two mortal enemies, Russia, to isolate the stronger, China.
     
    And today, Trump made a call to the president of Taiwan:

    "Democratic senator says Trump's 'major pivots in foreign policy' are 'how wars start'"

    http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-murphy-trump-foreign-policy-2016-12

    Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut blasted Donald Trump in a Friday evening tweetstorm after the president-elect made a phone call to the president of Taiwan.

    The move that could strain US relations with China. Trump's call to President Tsai Ing-wen is the first time a US president has directly spoken with Taiwan's leadership in more than 30 years.

    The US suspended formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan in 1979 after establishing a One China position in an effort to establish diplomatic channels with Beijing.

    In a tweetstorm, Murphy warned that Trump's "major pivots in foreign policy" are "how wars start":
     

    According to the NYT front page, State Department types are appalled or astonished or extremely nonplussed that Trump has circumvented them and called up a few national leaders to say “Hi!”

    I find this hysterically funny.
    But he may in fact need some background information and research in teh future. The question is, can he get “good” info from the State Department and other DC foreign policy bureaucracies, lobbiest, think tanks, etc.?
    He’ll have to read the alternative press for “good” info!!

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    It's all fun and games until things like wars start and people start dying. In the meantime, it's hysterically funny to indulge in one's inner chimp and live vicariously through the troop's alpha male strongman.
  48. Skeptikal says:
    @anonymous
    The Engdahl article strikes me as being silly. He is affiliated with Lyndon Larouche, a political cult group fond of weaving elaborate narratives and who are somewhat opaque in what they are actually about, but then cults are like that. Not a very reliable go-to source. Were Trump to really be some handpicked vehicle he would have been vetted somewhere along the line. Has he ever been a member of the CFR or other group where their talent scouts could size him up? No, it doesn't appear that he picked up any sponsors along the way like Obama did.
    People didn't have all that many choices. Nobody wanted another Bush, that brand is worn out. Rubio was a midget, Cruz was just some business-as-usual type who promised nothing new that people actually wanted. As we all know, Clinton came with a considerable baggage of sleaze and was unpalatable to many voters. Trump enunciated what a lot of people were thinking so once they actually listened to him they liked what they heard. This in spite of the media propaganda tsunami. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and panic over what Trump will-or won't-do; we'll just get sucked into the propaganda circus swirling about us. Next year at this time things will have clarified enough to draw some conclusions. One thing I feel is certain and that is we really dodged a huge bullet in not electing Clinton.

    ” Next year at this time things will have clarified enough to draw some conclusions. One thing I feel is certain and that is we really dodged a huge bullet in not electing Clinton.”

    Agreed!

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  49. Maybe Trump is pulling a Nixonian ploy: William P. Rogers as a placeholder Secretary of State with Nixon doing that job, except in Trump’s case, several placeholders. Under Bannon’s wise tutelage as consigliere. And all will be well. The deep state will reel and crumble: tariffs set, immigration law enforced, amity with Russia. Of course the rentiers of the world will continue to collect rent. Sic transunt res gestae! <-I just made that up

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    I prefer: Semper in excretia sumus, solim profundum variat.
  50. @tom..
    Of course it's a self lying desperate delusion to believe Trump's con foreign policy that some are desperate for.

    In all of Donald Trump's previous history before the selection, name me all the times he cared for serious foreign policy, didn't say something idiotically abhorrent about it, or why he's a totally different person now re that policy.

    As well, Who in their right mind thinks that as soon as Trump starts dropping in the polls he won't start demonising Russia ? Who ?

    Bannon may be the Great Man of History in a surplus USArmy field-jacket whispering in his master’s/dummy’s ear. Ecce homo! <-I didn't just make that up

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  51. gdpbull says:

    This is way more complicated than people think and more complicated than this article leads one to believe.

    The Trump election was masterfully orchestrated by the libertarians. – The real libertarians that is, not the Gary Johnson snowflakes. They have played both the dumbocrats and the repugnicans for fools. Over the course of the next four years, those two groups will destroy each other and then the libertarians will pick up the pieces.

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    The Trump election was masterfully orchestrated by the libertarians. – The real libertarians that is, not the Gary Johnson snowflakes.
     
    LOL. The MSM "masterfully orchestrated" the election of Trump by attempting an obvious flim-flam of the American voter.
  52. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @gdpbull
    This is way more complicated than people think and more complicated than this article leads one to believe.

    The Trump election was masterfully orchestrated by the libertarians. - The real libertarians that is, not the Gary Johnson snowflakes. They have played both the dumbocrats and the repugnicans for fools. Over the course of the next four years, those two groups will destroy each other and then the libertarians will pick up the pieces.

    The Trump election was masterfully orchestrated by the libertarians. – The real libertarians that is, not the Gary Johnson snowflakes.

    LOL. The MSM “masterfully orchestrated” the election of Trump by attempting an obvious flim-flam of the American voter.

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  53. utu says:
    @Anonymous
    That would be a stupid trade for Russia.

    Iran is a major threat to the Anglo Zionist empire that is targeting Russia. Why would they allow Iran to fall when Russia would be next no matter what Trump says.

    Meanwhile Russia could just work with Iran to push out America and the terrorists and they have an portal Ally in case Trump loses next election or the west back stabs him.

    “Iran is a major threat to the Anglo Zionist ” – Actually I do not understand why Iran is considered a threat.

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  54. Anonymous says:

    I’m not saying that Iran is trying to end isreal or anything. I just mean that they are a major impediment to Isreal plans.

    Iran itself but shiites in general.

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  55. Anonymous says:
    @Skeptikal
    According to the NYT front page, State Department types are appalled or astonished or extremely nonplussed that Trump has circumvented them and called up a few national leaders to say "Hi!"

    I find this hysterically funny.
    But he may in fact need some background information and research in teh future. The question is, can he get "good" info from the State Department and other DC foreign policy bureaucracies, lobbiest, think tanks, etc.?
    He'll have to read the alternative press for "good" info!!

    It’s all fun and games until things like wars start and people start dying. In the meantime, it’s hysterically funny to indulge in one’s inner chimp and live vicariously through the troop’s alpha male strongman.

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    Trump didn't call President Tsai, she called him. If China is really going to threaten war over Trump taking a phone call (which as far as I know they haven't), they've got problems we can't solve.

    Should the US take offense if Putin takes a phone call from some Novorossiyan higher-up? Should we take offense if Xi takes a phone call from Kim Jong Un? Should we threaten war?

    Rhetorical questions, these; answer: "No".

    Diplomacy is an excellent thing, but in order for it to work all sides must act with a modicum of responsibility. It is beyond this for any nation to insist at the point of the sword that no talking, even to the extent of congratulatory messages, can be done by us with some other nation.

    Congratulatory telegrams have raised tensions in some cases; Kruger's famous telegram and the Spanish telegram to Laurel, for instance. But neither of these caused war, and the reason each caused tension was that it was during an existing war.
  56. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    It's all fun and games until things like wars start and people start dying. In the meantime, it's hysterically funny to indulge in one's inner chimp and live vicariously through the troop's alpha male strongman.

    Trump didn’t call President Tsai, she called him. If China is really going to threaten war over Trump taking a phone call (which as far as I know they haven’t), they’ve got problems we can’t solve.

    Should the US take offense if Putin takes a phone call from some Novorossiyan higher-up? Should we take offense if Xi takes a phone call from Kim Jong Un? Should we threaten war?

    Rhetorical questions, these; answer: “No”.

    Diplomacy is an excellent thing, but in order for it to work all sides must act with a modicum of responsibility. It is beyond this for any nation to insist at the point of the sword that no talking, even to the extent of congratulatory messages, can be done by us with some other nation.

    Congratulatory telegrams have raised tensions in some cases; Kruger’s famous telegram and the Spanish telegram to Laurel, for instance. But neither of these caused war, and the reason each caused tension was that it was during an existing war.

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  58. Exudd1 says:
    @E. A. Costa
    "Finally, let’s try to make sense out of Trump’s absolutely bizarre and, frankly, irrational phobia of Iran."

    It is not a phobia.Trump doesn't know Iran from a hole in the ground. He is just following orders.

    Good point; might very well be the case!

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  59. Exudd1 says:
    @Diogenes
    Was there ever a US president who was a renegade and not beholden to the elite establishment?
    All US presidents are establishment figure heads, mouth pieces or show pieces and are chosen and groomed for their function in the government apparatus. Trump appears to be a psuedo- renegade but will be in practice an establishment functionary.

    As president he will be feted with pomp and circumstance but he will do what he has been advised to do by his hirelings who are always establishment insiders pushing the same establishment agenda under a new but superficial presidential guise.

    The agenda as usual is strengthen and maintain the odious Zionist cuckoo, overthrow anti American Iran, N, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, defeat American super competitors Russia and China, maintain the US as a reserve and petrodollar currency, spread neo liberalism globally through the "Washington Consensus" through it's global institutions WTO, World Bank, etc, facilitate the global penetration of US multinationals, feed the American war economy and security state apparatus, further pamper and enrich the business and moneyed class, strive to become the sole world hegemon, and onward, ad nauseum, until death by war do us part.

    So if Trump does not deliver on the above then he will have been a renegade president. Moreover if he manages to improve the lot of the American working class and improve the economic prospects of the American white race his supporters would not care a whit if he carries on with the Imperial Agenda of the elites.

    Forthright and persuasive! Thanks.

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  60. Boris N says:
    @Seraphim
    This sounds like a combination of wishful thinking with utter BS. You are one of the gullible Westerners.

    No, I just read various Russian media and open economical statistics. Russian economics is in a depression, many Russian officials have been saying this openly for the past three years. But most Westerners do not and cannot know that, mostly because they do not know Russian and have little idea about the country. They simply do not live in the media space I live in. Even if they are curious they would rather realy upon RT or phoney guys like The Saker. Also I live in the country and can directly see how the country is going by simply looking at constantly rising prices and stagnating wages and pensions, etc. On the other hand, The Saker with his family lives in the USA and can freely and without any remorse say any possible fantasy about Russia, true or false, simply because it is very unlikely he gives a damn about the country he’s been writing. For him writing about Russia is some sort of a hobby, or better, a psychological therapy. He may say whatever fantasy about Russia comes into his mind. I only wonder why people still read and believe him. The fact the Western MSM constantly lie about Russia does not make mirrored fantasies of some Russophilic loonies any better.

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  61. @Anon
    "Furthermore, even if during the next four years the USA spends X billion dollars on “defense”, Russia will spend far less but get much more than the USA. Why? Because the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay."

    Saker, I respect you, but that is too funny.

    Russians are not corrupt? Russians are drunkards who catch fish with their dicks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpXdPNWlLk

    Having served in the U.S. military for many years I believe The Saker is correct in his assessment.

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  62. Ben Gunn says:

    Hi Saker,
    I enjoy and admire your work, looking forward to each addition. Engdahl is clearly an off the rails and meds nut case. There may be shreds of truth worth looking into, of course.

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  63. pogohere says: • Website
    @anonymouse
    Maybe Trump is pulling a Nixonian ploy: William P. Rogers as a placeholder Secretary of State with Nixon doing that job, except in Trump's case, several placeholders. Under Bannon's wise tutelage as consigliere. And all will be well. The deep state will reel and crumble: tariffs set, immigration law enforced, amity with Russia. Of course the rentiers of the world will continue to collect rent. Sic transunt res gestae! <-I just made that up

    I prefer: Semper in excretia sumus, solim profundum variat.

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  64. Olorin says:
    @mad1
    Russia GDP to Debt ratio 17.7%

    US GDP to Debt ratio 104.5%

    The possibility, of course, is that US debt dollars, like US dollars conjured into existence by fiat then rented from the Federal Reserve branch of global banksterism, have no real value, only the force of belief invested in them.

    “Our currency isn’t real, it’s only belief. Not having enough of it for what you want to buy in the moment creates its shadow belief, called debt. We are happy to construct a system of numbers to quantify these various beliefs.”

    Thus it gets you coming and going. In that scenario the only thing that really matters is who has the power to call in the debt, at what points, with what consequences, and who has the power to walk away from that.

    Beating banksters and financiers at their global game is best assayed by those who know how to play the game but don’t have a lot of ego or religio-political credulity invested in it.

    Mr. Trump has indicated amply that his force of belief lies elsewhere than the moneychangers’ temple. He’s good at the game, but I’ve seen no indications he can be bought and sold like Crooked Hillary.

    Congress and the Dems and GOPe–quite the opposite.

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  65. map says:

    This is interesting, but maybe there is a simpler answer: Trump is maneuvering to establish his own political dynasty separate from the current elite and the “deep state.” This is not unusual. Julius Caesar did it.

    Trump saw populism as an undervalued property and, because of his personality, he was able to negate the usual shaming media messages and professional career destruction that would’ve destroyed a lesser man from the usual establishment haunts.

    Trump could not be defeated by the usual establishment controls and his rallies indicate a proverbial army that could easily cross the Rubicon. That is why he is feared by the Deep State. The deep state has no loyalists, only paid sycophants. Trump has people who will kill for him, die for him and believe in him because he tapped into a shared belief. Who would die for Hillary? Or Jeb? Or the CIA?

    We do have a severe credit crisis coming up because so many corporate bonds are coming due. What would prevent Trump from nationalizing banks or removing the Federal Reserves charter? What prevents him from firing his cabinet?

    These people need Trump a lot more than he needs them.

    Then there is the problem of defections. Is Priebus really such an establishment hack that he would not hitch his future to Trump in exchange for power? You could see massive defections from the Deep States as the power centers shift.

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  66. Anonymous says:
    @Anonymous
    How bout you do the fighting then eh?

    It's clear that you think you will be safe in your mom's basement and won't be bothered to much while other people do the dieing, but it won't be like that in real life.

    The Russians and Chinese soldiers are tough people who didn't grow up pampered like you. They will fight for their nations survival.

    American soldiers will be fighting for what? For Wallstreet? For Isreal?

    Lastly, I don't think America could beat Russia or China in a conventional war either. American tech is better, but we would have to attack them on their ground half way across the world. A scenario both countries have built their defense to counter specifically.

    It would be waged by America and her allies – NATO and Japan. And it would be nuclear. Initial nuclear strikes on Moscow, St. Petersburg, Beijing, and Shanghai, followed by blanket nuclear strikes on everything between Moscow/St. Petersburg and Beijing/Shanghai. Russia and China would be unable to retaliate against Europe, the Pacific Rim, and North America before succumbing to the nuclear strikes.

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    Russia and China would be unable to retaliate...before succumbing to the nuclear strikes.
     
    Yeah, I guess we'll have to just take your word that everything will turn out exactly the way we plan it. Because all wars go exactly according to plan.

    Exhibit A: Iraq

    Of course the stakes are just a bit higher this time around. At least you admitted there would be domestic casualties; so which 20 major metropolitan cities do you want vaporized?

    Peace.
  67. @Seraphim
    It may be that some of Engdahl's statements sound a bit exagerated although entirely plausible. The American 'elite', no matter whether they look to the right or to the left (it is cross-eyed anyhow), is religiously committed to safeguarding the interests of global "Israel". This is the red line. But the 'elite' may come to every accomodation as long as the position of global "Israel" on top of the mound of doo doo is not seriously threatened.

    It may be our very initial introduction to the world of physics when we observe, whilst sitting on the pot, that poo will naturally pile up only so high and then, to our eternal delight, it just collapses in on itself.

    As our acquisition of more and more of the subtle yet eminently eternal nuances of said world of physics increases we come to realise that not only does it collapse into itself but the greater the pile so the deeper the collapse until it becomes a situation of actually sinking into and beneath itself.

    It almost explains away the near universal tendency to play with the stuff doesn’t it? For little kids I mean.

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  68. @Harold Smith
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he's 100% correct; yes, "the entire US military-industrial complex is corrupt to the bone and the US armed forces in an advanced state of decay".

    The corruption that brought the Jews to power in the U.S. is a double-edged sword. The U.S. government cannot procure cost-effective weaponry for the same reason that U.S. citizens cannot get cost-effective health care, education or housing for example. The corruption is everywhere and it's getting worse by the day.

    What's "too funny" is your disagreement with an obvious, generally accepted fact.

    Great post summing up so very much and so succinctly. Cheers

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  69. Talha says:
    @Anonymous
    It would be waged by America and her allies - NATO and Japan. And it would be nuclear. Initial nuclear strikes on Moscow, St. Petersburg, Beijing, and Shanghai, followed by blanket nuclear strikes on everything between Moscow/St. Petersburg and Beijing/Shanghai. Russia and China would be unable to retaliate against Europe, the Pacific Rim, and North America before succumbing to the nuclear strikes.

    Russia and China would be unable to retaliate…before succumbing to the nuclear strikes.

    Yeah, I guess we’ll have to just take your word that everything will turn out exactly the way we plan it. Because all wars go exactly according to plan.

    Exhibit A: Iraq

    Of course the stakes are just a bit higher this time around. At least you admitted there would be domestic casualties; so which 20 major metropolitan cities do you want vaporized?

    Peace.

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    Considering that Russia maintains a "nuclear trio" of land, sea, and air-based missiles, and an arsenal about equal to ours, I don't see us taking them out in a first strike.

    I don't know what the Chinese would do, but I don't want to find out. And considering the location of the Russian and Chinese armies, and the moral odium of a first strike, I don't think our "allies" in NATO and Japan would be too eager about the whole thing.
  70. anon says:
    @Talha

    Russia and China would be unable to retaliate...before succumbing to the nuclear strikes.
     
    Yeah, I guess we'll have to just take your word that everything will turn out exactly the way we plan it. Because all wars go exactly according to plan.

    Exhibit A: Iraq

    Of course the stakes are just a bit higher this time around. At least you admitted there would be domestic casualties; so which 20 major metropolitan cities do you want vaporized?

    Peace.

    Considering that Russia maintains a “nuclear trio” of land, sea, and air-based missiles, and an arsenal about equal to ours, I don’t see us taking them out in a first strike.

    I don’t know what the Chinese would do, but I don’t want to find out. And considering the location of the Russian and Chinese armies, and the moral odium of a first strike, I don’t think our “allies” in NATO and Japan would be too eager about the whole thing.

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  71. Hey, you forgot the snipers in Caracas. And in the US, don’t forget Kennedy.

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  72. Stogumber says:

    Engdahl is a conspiracy nut – he makes precisely those errors which have given “conspiracy theories” their bad reputation. And the Saker’s objections are completely justified, only this shoudn’t be covered with a sauce of flattering remarks about Engdahl.

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