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We can all thank God for the fact that the AngloZionists did not launch a war on the DPRK, that no Ukronazi attack on the Donbass took place during the World Cup in Russia and that the leaders of the Empire have apparently have given up on their plans to launch a reconquista of Syria. However, each of these retreats from their hysterical rhetoric has only made the Neocons more frustrated and determined to show the planet that they are still The Hegemon who cannot be disobeyed with impunity. As I wrote after the failed US cruise missile strike on Syria this spring, “each click brings us closer to the bang“. In the immortal words of Michael Ledeen, “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business“. The obvious problem is that there are no “small crappy little countries” left out there, and that those who are currently the object of the Empire’s ire are neither small nor crappy.

Having now shown several times that for all its hysterical barking the Empire has to back down when the opponent does not cower away in fear, the Empire is now in desperate need to prove its “uniqueness” and (racial?) superiority. The obvious target of the AngloZionist wrath is Iran. In fact, Iran has been in the cross-hairs of the Empire ever since the people of Iran dared to show the AngloZionists to the door and, even worse, succeed in creating their own, national and Islamic democracy. To punish Iran, the US, the USSR, France and all the other “democratic” countries unleashed their puppet (Saddam Hussein) and gave him full military support, and yet the Iranians still prevailed, albeit at a terrible cost. That Iranian ability to prevail in the most terrible circumstances is also the most likely explanation for why there has not been an overt attack on Iran for the past four decades (there have, of course, there has been plenty of covert attacks during all these years).

I won’t list all the recent AngloZionist threats against Iran – we all know about them. The bottom line is this: the US, Israel and the KSA are, yet again, working hand in hand to set the stage for a major war under what we could call the “Skripal-case rules of evidence” aka “highly likely“. And yet, in spite of all this saber-rattling, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has summed up Iran’s stance in the following wordsthere will be no war and no negotiations“.

First, let’s first look at Iranian rationale for “no negotiations”

The obvious: “no negotiations”

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has been very clear in his explanations for why negotiating with the US makes no sense. On his Twitter account he wrote:

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The Iranian Supreme Leader even posted a special graphic summary to summarize and explain the Iranian position:

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Finally, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reiterated his fundamental approach towards the AngloZionist Empire:

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The contrast between the kindergarten-level low-IQ bumbling hot air and threats coming out of the White House and the words of Ali Khamenei could not be greater, especially if we compare the words the two leaders decided to post all in caps;

Trump: To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

Khamenei: THERE WILL BE NO WAR, NOR WILL WE NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S..

Notice first that in his typical ignorance, Trump fails to realize that Hassan Rouhani is only the President of Iran and that threatening him makes absolutely no sense since he does not make national security decisions, which is the function of the Supreme Leader. Had Trump taken the time to at the very least check with Wikipedia he would have understood that the Iranian President “carries out the decrees, and answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who functions as the country’s head of state“. It is no wonder that Trump’s infantile threats instantly turned into an Internet meme!

In contrast, Khamenei did not even bother to address Trump by name but, instead, announced his strategy to the whole world.

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Trump’s ALL IN CAPS meme

Of course, issuing ALL IN CAPS threats just to be treated with utter contempt by the people you are trying to hard to bully and having your words become a cause of laughter on the Internet will only further enrage Trump and his supporters. When you are desperately trying to show the world how tough and scary you are, there is nothing more humiliating as being treated like some stupid kid. Therein also lies the biggest danger: such derision could force Trump and the Neocons who run him to do something desperate to prove to the word that their “red button” is still bigger than everybody else’s.

ORDER IT NOW

It is important to note here that making negotiations impossible is something the Trump administration seems to have adopted as a policy. This is best illustrated by the conditions attached to the latest sanctions against Russia which, essentially, demand that Russia admit poisoning the Skripals. In fact, all the western demands towards Russia (admitting that Russia is guilty for the Skripal case, that Russia shot down MH-17, that Russia hand over Crimea to the Ukronazis, etc.) are carefully crafted to make absolutely sure that Russia will not negotiate. The sames, of course, goes for the ridiculous Pompeo demands towards the DPRK (including handing over to the US 60 to 70 percent of its nukes within six to eight months; no wonder the North Koreans denounced a “gangster-like” attitude) or the latest US grandstanding towards Turkey. Sadly, but the Neocon run media has successfully imposed the notion that negotiations are either a sign of weakness, or treason, or both. Thus to be “patriotic” and “strong” no US official can afford to be caught red-handed negotiating with the enemy of the day.

Under these conditions, why would anybody want to negotiate with the US?

Frankly, the “no negotiations” approach makes perfectly good sense, and while the Iranians are the only ones who have openly said so, the Russians have hinted to the same on many occasions (see their words about the US being “non-agreement capable” or about US diplomats confusing Austria and Australia). To any objective observer it should by now be completely obvious by now that a) the US cannot negotiate (due to intellectual, cultural and political limitations) and b) the US has no desire to negotiate. This is, of course, a highly undesirable and dangerous situation, but it would only make things worse to pretend that civilized negotiations with the US are possible.

So, if both sides agree on “no negotiations”, what about war?

The not so obvious: No war?

This is where Ali Khamenei’s stance is more puzzling, at least to me: when he says that there will be no war, does he mean that the US threats are not credible or does he mean that Iran has the means to deter a US attack? His words make it sound like he is quite certain that there will be no war. How can he be so sure? I am especially amazed by the apparent Iranian confidence that the AngloZionists will not attack them when I compare it with the obvious Russian policy of actively preparing for war since at least 2014 (also see here, here, here, here, here and here). Of course, Iran has been preparing for war with the US for almost 40 years now whereas the Russians only woke up to reality comparatively recently. I see several potential explanations for Ali Khamenei’s statement (there might be more, of course):

  • Political: Iran is trying to demonstrate that it will do everything possible to avoid a war so that if a war should break out, it would be absolutely clear to everybody that Iran did not want it, Iran did not trigger it and the responsibility for the consequences fall entirely and solely upon the US and Israel.
  • Deception: Iran knows that a war is coming but is trying to pretend like it won’t to better conceal the war preparations and lure the Empire into a sense of complacency resulting into an ineffective/costly attack.
  • Intelligence: the Iranians might have intelligence indicating to them that all the US threats are just hot air spewed in order to appease the Israel Lobby and to look “patriotic” in preparation for the upcoming elections this Fall.
  • Miscalculation: the Iranians might underestimate the level of hubris, arrogance and stupidity of the US leadership and mistakenly conclude that since an attack on Iran makes no sense and the US cannot “win”, such an attack will therefore not happen.

Personally, every time I think of a possible US attack on Iran I think of the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006 which happened in spite of the fact that it was plainly visible to everybody that the Israelis were waltzing straight into a conflict which they could not win and which, in fact, resulted into one of the most abjects defeats in military history. Conversely, while Hezbollah did win a truly historical victory, it also remains a fact that Hezbollah leaders did not expect the Israelis to launch a full-scale ground offensive. Finally, history is full of examples of wars which were started in spite of all objective factors indicating that they would end up in disaster.

It seems to me that in purely military terms (not in political ones!) Israel could be seen as a stand-in for the US and Hezbollah as a stand-in for Iran and that the outcome of any future US-Iranian war will be very similar to the outcome of the war in 2006, albeit on a much larger (and bloodier) scale. I am confident that the folks in the Pentagon realize that, but what about their Neocon bosses – do they even care about Iranian or, for that matter, US casualties? I highly doubt it: all they care about is their power and messianic ideology.

If it weren’t for its nuclear arsenal, the US could be dismissed as a particularly obnoxious country led by ignorant leaders with bloated and mostly ineffective armed forces. Alas, the US nuclear arsenal is very real (and still very capable) and we know that top-level US Neocons have already considered using tactical nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state’s conventional force in the past. In a twisted way, this makes sense: if you are a megalomaniac infused with a sense of messianic superiority then international or even civilizational norms of behavior are of no interest (or even relevance) to you. Listening to US Presidents, pretty much all of them (but especially Obama and Trump) it is pretty clear that these folks consider themselves to be the Kulturträger and the Herrenvolk of the 21st century and their messianism is in no way less delusional than the one of their Nazi predecessors (or, for that matter, the one of the Popes of the past 1000 years). And why would the people who nuked two Japanese cities under the (entirely fallacious) pretext of “shortening the war” (almost a humanitarian operation!) not do the same thing in Iran?

Of sure, they probably realize that using nukes will result in a massive political backlash, but they are confident that no matter what happens in the end, they will always be able to say “screw you!” to the rest of the planet. After all, this is something which Israel and the US have been doing with almost total inpunity for decades already – why would they stop now? As for the fact that the Persian people have been dealing with all kinds of invaders since no less than 2500 years will not stop the AngloZionists from trying to crush them. After all, having laid waste to a country which many see as the cradle of civilization, Iraq, why not do the same thing to Iran? Iraq, Iran – what’s the difference, they are all just “sand niggers” and our red button is bigger than theirs, right?

Standing up to Shaytân-e Bozorg (almost alone?)

It would be a big mistake to dismiss the US because of its incapable military or moral bankruptcy. The truth is that in terms of aggregate national power, the US still remains the most powerful country on the planet (even if we don’t include nuclear weapons). Anyone doubting that needs to look how how the currencies of the countries the US is singles out for attack suddenly began slipping: the Russian ruble (which has since bounced back), the Iranian rial, the Venezuelan bolivar, the Turkish lira, etc.) or how little time it took Trump to bring the (admittedly spineless) Europeans to heel. As for Russia, for all her military might, she remains only a semi-sovereign country in which the pro-US/pro-Israeli “Atlantic Integrationists” continue to try to sabotage (often successfully) everything Putin and his supporters are doing. I would not place big hopes in China either, especially considering the lack of meaningful Chinese action in Syria where Russia and Iran did all the heavy lifting. Sadly, but the only ally Iran can truly count on is Hezbollah. And while Hezbollah is considered a “non-state actor”, it has a formidable capability to strike at the US’s colonial masters, especially in terms of missiles. This will not protect Iran, but it could serve as a very real deterrent to the Israelis, especially since Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah he has made it clear that Hezbollah more than capable of taking on Israel. For the time being, the Israelis are already preparing for a re-match against Hezbollah and they are massing forces in the north to prepare for a war against Hezbollah.

Does that look to you like there will be no war against Iran?

I hope so. But to me it very much looks like an attack is pretty much inevitable. I have been predicting such an attack since 2007 and, so far, I have been completely wrong (and thank God for that!). The very first article I ever wrote for my blog was entitled “Where the Empire meets to plan the next war” ended with the following words:

So count with yet another imperial war of aggression, a barrel of crude at over 100$ and oil shortages, rocketing inflation, job losses, a stagnant real estate market and stock exchange, and a national debt and government deficit which would make even Reagan proud. And plenty of dead Americans (nevermind the Iranians, right?). But don’t worry: there will still be a huge supply of Chinese-made US flags to wave!

And yet, 11 years later, the AngloZionist attack which looked so imminent in 2007 has not happened yet. Could it be that this time again an attack on Iran can be avoided? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appears to be very confident that it will not happen. I am not so sure, but I fervently hope that he is right.

 
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  1. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, but Trump’s tweets are bluster… like calling Assad an ‘animal’.

    It’s red meat to the morons, and it is one thing that MSM won’t be too harsh on him for because MSM is run by Zionists.

    • Replies: @jgarbo
  2. yes, ZOG will attack Iran on behalf

    of Israhell and the petrdollar.

    only question is, how bloody

    the false flag

    which (((they))) use to trigger the war.

    Many of us continue to wonder

    what was in that container offloaded from a Zionist aircraft during the Atlanta airport shut-down.

    I hope we don’t find out.

    • Replies: @ohmy
    , @Rev. Spooner
  3. In fact, all the western demands towards Russia (admitting that Russia is guilty for the Skripal case, that Russia shot down MH-17, that Russia hand over Crimea to the Ukronazis, etc.) are carefully crafted to make absolutely sure that Russia will not negotiate.

    The US doesn’t have to do anything to make negotiations impossible with Putin (and it is Putin you have to deal with as he’s the head of the Kleptocracy masquerading as a country). Putin is too stupid to see what he’s doing to his country, or he knows (more likely) and doesn’t care.

    Like it or not, the evidence is incontrovertible that MH-17 was shot down by a Russian AD unit. Even the fascists Putin inserted into the Donbas have admitted as much on video.

    The Skripal case is a wonder. It is known that a nerve agent was used against the man and his daughter. The Swiss lab that tested their blood said the murder attempt was done with an agent that was used in the west. The only serious question is where it would have come from as both the US and the UK destroyed their chemical weapons years ago. The only people with motive and opportunity is Putin’s regime. The murder would not have been first for Putin’s regime either.

    Putin is an invader in both the Donbas and Crimea. Sooner or later, Russia will disgorge both. Both are a very large drain on the Russian treasury and are not affordable.

    see their words about the US being “non-agreement capable”

    Russia has long proven it is impossible to make an agreement with them and realistically expect them to live by it. It has been so since the Bolshevik Revolution, and once again since the mafia state put Putin at its head. Putin’s behavior invading Ukraine shows he can’t be trusted as Russia is one of the signatories of the Budapest memorandum guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine. This after Putin’s regime stated that Crimea is Ukraine’s. The man is simply a jumped up criminal that Saker loves.

    I have been predicting such an attack since 2007 and, so far, I have been completely wrong (and thank God for that!).

    We can be thankful that Saker has a good record about being wrong. OTOH, the US has no desire to attack Iran. Why should the US? Iran is in the process, just like Russia, of rotting from within.

  4. bluedog says:
    @Quartermaster

    What a load of bullshit as we weave our tangled web,but then again that’s what trolls do,for everything you claim Russia’s doing is exactly what we the U.S. are doing,or as the man said “we are incapable of making any agreement and sticking to it”….

    • Agree: Herald
  5. Renoman says:

    What a huge steaming pile that was QM, you must ave been constipated a long time.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  6. Anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Iran will probably get the former and not the latter. Trump screwed up in abrogating that Iran deal. Now, the deep state will have no choice but to force him to annihilate Iran, either through shock and awe or clandestine regime change. Trump was warned, but he foolishly didn’t listen. Shame that we’re doing Israel’s foreign policy instead of our own. He may even end up bringing himself down in Saudi Arabia and Israel’s war.

    Where are all the competent American leaders? What happened to them?

    • Replies: @Wally
  7. An interesting column as usual. What I find intriguing is that it’s the United States that seems desperate. It’s the United States that seems to be going through a nervous breaking down, crisis of confidence, whatever you want to call it.

    Maybe Chinese, Iranians and Russians are right. All they really have to do is make their countries better while the US destroys itself, flailing around trying to keep its empire together.

    I wonder is Assad is thinking about renting the Turkish army to get back Syria’s stolen territories. Turkey was stealing oil from Syria via ISIS which the Russians stopped by bombing ISIS. Assad could offer Erdogan part of the oil profits from a united Syria for X number of years to pay for helping unite Syria.

    It would allow Erdogan a way to monetize his investment in the Turkish military.

    This part:

    “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business“.

    Venezuela is supposed to start using the Petro soon. Pompeo has been running around Latin America trying to organize the Brute Squad.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  8. @Si1ver1ock

    “All they really have to do is make their countries better while the US destroys itself, flailing around trying to keep its empire together.”

    This seems right. Given immigration trends, the US will find itself without not just an Empire but a country as well.

  9. PMAFT remarked that all religions plus atheism had been infested by feminism. He also discussed the deep penetration of feminism into Islam, with particular reference to Iran.
    This bears on the current conundrum of Iran.
    It is self evidently true that any country possessing sufficient resources to feed itself and sustain an industrial economy can enjoy reasonable prosperity without much foreign trade. It needs only a sufficient population of people smart enough, educated enough, and willing to work hard.
    Iran has all of that.
    It is also a self evident fact that intact family based society is the breeding ground of both prosperity and harmonious society.
    It is also a self evident fact that an organically growing population is the only true engine of sustained economic vitality.
    The real problem Iran has right now is that its women are not home, producing and raising children.
    If they were, there would be more than enough jobs for all the men, and the internal demand for goods and services which could be primarily produced from internal resources and trade from those still willing to trade with it.

    • Agree: Felix-Culpa
    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Anon
  10. Well…nuking Japan with two nukes did in fact shorten the war. The decision to nuke Japan was based upon what was understood at the time about the war with Japan. It is wrong to view the nuking of Japan from a revisionist perspective.

    Just go look at the photos from Life Magazine in 1945…photos of mothers kneeling in churches wearing prayer veils and clutching rosary beads…praying for their teenage sons to come home alive. The war had to be brought to an end as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    If the nuking of Japan saved the lives of only 10 American Soldiers who otherwise would have died if two nukes had not been dropped on Japan….it was worth it.

    When actor Eddie Albert filmed the bloated bodies of American Teenagers floating off the beaches of Iwoa Jima and Guadalcanal….it was a 100 percent foregone conclusion that Japan was gonna be nuked……Millions of American Mothers viewed Eddie Albert’s film footage in theaters across America in 1945.

  11. @War for Blair Mountain

    More specifically…those were the bloated bodies of NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN TEENAGERS floating lifeless off the beaches of Iwoa Jima and Guadalcanal…….and don’t forget the Sullivan Brothers…..this is why two nukes were dropped on Japan.

    I am massively opposed to bombing Shia Muslim Iran….I generally have a “WAR IS A RACKET!!! General Smedley Butler View of the US Military….having said that, I am for the mass deportation of every Iranian off of Native Born White American LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE….along with every Israeli National such as Michael Chertoff……

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. War with Iran? Within a week Saudi Arabia would be a smoldering cinder, the whole infrastructure around Ghawar oil field in flames. The Saudi sultans would lose power never to get it back again. There is a large Shi’ite population in Saudi Arabia and there is a good chance that the country, once the royal family was booted, would change sides.

    Meanwhile, any American ships in the Perisn Gulf would be scrap.

    My opinion is that every time the knuckleheads get together in the same room to gin up the illusion that they can go to war with Iran they look into one another’s eyes and realize that they are a bunch of total assholes. Somehow, somewhere, there is a glimmer of non-stupidity, though don’t ask me where.

  13. White man speak with forked tongue.

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Grumbler
  14. @The Cleaner

    The Cleaner wrote:

    “Somehow, somewhere, there is a glimmer of non-stupidity”

    “Don’t fire ’til you see the glimmer of non-stupidity.”

    “Give me the glimmer of non-stupidity or give me death.”

    “Mine eyes have seen the glory of the glimmer of non-stupidity.”

    “O -oh say can you see
    The glimmer of non-stupidity?”

    My country tis of thee,
    Sweet land of liberty,
    Of thee I sing.
    Look in each other’s eyes
    And realize
    The glimmer of the prize:
    Non-stupidity!

  15. Wally says:
    @Anon

    said:
    “Where are all the competent American leaders? What happened to them?”

    They sold out to the fake ’6,000,000 Jews’ propaganda, which, BTW, Jews have been slinging since at least 1823.

    That is what causes so many “American leaders” knees to buckle.

    That is what allows Jews & “that shitty little country” to get away with their hateful, violent ways.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  16. @The Cleaner

    ‘…My opinion is that every time the knuckleheads get together in the same room to gin up the illusion that they can go to war with Iran they look into one another’s eyes and realize that they are a bunch of total assholes. Somehow, somewhere, there is a glimmer of non-stupidity, though don’t ask me where.’

    That would be my hope. I lack the confidence in it to label it my opinion.

    The troubling bit is that for the purposes of the neo-cons and Zionists, it’s not necessary that the United States win its war with Iran — just that it starts it. As to Saudi Arabia being wrecked — explain to me how that harms Israel.

    • Replies: @skrik
  17. peterAUS says:

    First, as always, a bit of dopamine fix for the Team Russia and USA haters in general:

    Ukronazi….. the leaders of the Empire have apparently have given up on their plans to launch a Reconquista…. their hysterical rhetoric….. the failed US cruise missile strike….. for all its hysterical barking the Empire has to back down when the opponent does not cower away in fear….. the kindergarten-level low-IQ bumbling hot air and threats coming out of the White House…. in his typical ignorance, Trump fails to realize… some stupid kid… the level of hubris, arrogance and stupidity of the US leadership…. US could be dismissed as a particularly obnoxious country led by ignorant leaders with bloated and mostly ineffective armed forces….. a megalomaniac infused with a sense of messianic superiority…. their messianism is in no way less delusional than the one of their Nazi predecessors (or, for that matter, the one of the Popes of the past 1000 years),

    and a couple more…
    The above also creates an atmosphere for….. healthy…..discussion. More online therapy and, all in all, a positive contribution to well being of a certain minuscule substrata of Internet presence.
    Commendable.

    A bit of reality check, finally (pun intended) at last:

    Finally, history is full of examples of wars which were started in spite of all objective factors indicating that they would end up in disaster.

    A disaster being much, much bigger for the regime in Tehran than for the US administration. That’s all what matters.

    And:

    The truth is that in terms of aggregate national power, the US still remains the most powerful country on the planet (even if we don’t include nuclear weapons).

    … to me it very much looks like an attack is pretty much inevitable.

    A bit of cold shower after main session. Back to real world. Till next week.
    Nice.

    A smooth operator.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  18. Erebus says:
    @eyesfrontmen

    It is also a self evident fact that an organically growing population is the only true engine of sustained economic vitality.

    It certainly doesn’t seem to been self-evident to economists, though they’re apparently getting it now. The incredible step-function in the historical growth curve over the last century can largely be accounted for by the fact that the earth’s population grew 3.6x. That was in turn fuelled by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy in hydrocarbons.

    It is also a self evident fact that intact family based society is the breeding ground of both prosperity and harmonious society.

    Up to a point, and we reached it some time ago. The discovery of hydrocarbon energy had a price we ignored because it seemed we’d never have to pay it.
    Then the bills started coming in.
    Beyond a certain point, prosperity breeds not children, but decadence (in its widest sense), and eventually dystopia.
    Hydro-carbon energy accelerated resource extraction at such a rate as to run the planet dry in a century. All the low-hanging fruit, whether it’s more hydrocarbons, or the minerals and crops that we require in ever increasing amounts is at, or beyond peak extraction. We’re now digging up ores our fathers viewed as not worth the trouble, and our grandfathers scarcely recognized as ores. Industrialized agriculture depends on hydrocarbon based fertilizers juicing up half-dead topsoils to grow flavourless, nutrient-free crops.

    We stopped breeding at roughly the same time we lost confidence, however subliminally, in our and the planet’s ability to give future generations a shot at the same brass ring our great-grandfathers grabbed. Somehow, something deep down in our brain stems told us it was a one-shot deal, and we’d taken it. The opportunity will never come ’round again, and it’s all downhill from here.

    How that ties in to Iran is that the last great expanse of land and resources is the Eurasian continent. China and Russia want to integrate it into an economic block that can extend modern civilization for its population a little longer. Iran is critical to it as it sits at the geographical and geopolitical fulcrum of the continent. A glance at a map of the ancient silk roads shows them converging at Tehran and branching out from there as they traverse the continent. Today’s BRI likewise envisages Iran in its ancient role as the focal point of trade and transport between East and West. Then as now, the continent needs Tehran.

    The Imperial Imperative facing the Emperor today is that Eurasian integration must be stopped, or at least prevented from achieving its full potential. Attacking Russia or China guarantees destruction of the Empire itself, but Iran remains Eurasia’s most vulnerable important node.

    That’s why every POTUS since Bush the First has found himself echoing Cato the Elder’s famous meme: “Tehran delenda est!”. Cato died before Carthage laid waste. So will Bush the Elder and all his successors.

    Rome was on the rise, and went on to greatness with the destruction of Carthage called for by Cato. America is entering its dotage and Trump, should he act on the call will achieve the opposite.

  19. @Quartermaster

    Putin is an invader in both the Donbas and Crimea. Sooner or later, Russia will disgorge both.

    Far from being an “invader”, Russia has owned Sevastapol on the Crimean Penninsula since the Tsars who built it in the first place. “The Ukraine”? How can you invade a place that has only existed for 50 years, on territory that was annexed from your own country?

    Russia will never willingly surrender Sevastopol . Never. A simple look at google maps will explain why. It is a major military asset, it is their sea-lane to the Mediterranean and the Suez Canal. Their other ports are on the Baltic Sea, the Arctic Ocean, and way to the east on the Pacific.

    No geopolitics makes any sense at all until you look at a map.

    The Swiss lab that tested their blood said the murder attempt was done with an agent that was used in the west. The only serious question is where it would have come from as both the US and the UK destroyed their chemical weapons years ago.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you serious? Really? You can’t possibly be!

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Seraphim
  20. The Ayatollah didn’t mention the #1 reason that negotiating with the USA is pointless: the USA does not keep to its agreements. Ask the Blackfoot Indians. Ask the Canadian softwood industry. For that matter – ask the Japanese-Americans herded into concentration camps during WWII.

  21. Tulips says:

    The US has always been ready and comfortable to violate its treaties, despite the US Constitution declaring that treaties are the supreme law of the land. Our first treaty, signed with France, was violated. Canada and the US have 2 free trade treaties (FTA, NAFTA), but the US always puts tariffs on lumber, never mind that the treaties’ trade tribunal rule against the US . The UN Charter was written by the US and passed into law as a treaty. There it says that the US agrees it is a crime to attack or threaten to attack a fellow UN member. No one ever notices that “all options on the table” threats are treaty violations and thus domestic crimes under our Constitution. Has there ever been a post-war President who did not violate the UN treaty?

    • Replies: @Hu Mi Yu
  22. FB says:
    @Quartermaster

    ‘…Like it or not, the evidence is incontrovertible that MH-17 was shot down by a Russian AD unit…’

    So how about showing us this ‘incontrovertible’ evidence, Fartermaster…?…LOL…

  23. FB says:
    @Dave from Oz

    Yes…I see you have discovered the entertainment value of ‘Fartermaster’ and his delusions…it is always useful to know that many mentally retarded adults are still not yet institutionalized…

  24. FB says:

    As usual, this author’s meandering narrative fails to leave any kind of impression…what is he arguing anyway…?…it is impossible to tell…

    Frankly the ‘analysis’ of Khamenei’s statement that there will be no war is completely retarded…why would Khamenei say anything other than what he meant…?…Is that what the supreme leader of a considerable country as well as spiritual leader to many around the world does…play word games and toss out cryptic riddles…?

    I don’t think so…

    Khamenei is saying there will be no war simply because there won’t be…Iran is not Afghanistan or Iraq or Serbia or Grenada…

    The US military has shown itself to be a paper tiger in all its recent conflicts…the men in charge of the military understand this…attacking Iran would be like trying to crack a walnut with your teeth…the teeth will break long before the walnut…

    The war threat is pure bluff…and Khamenei knows this [as do many observers]…the economic pressure is the only tool that the US has left…and that may work to inflict some pain on the Iranian people in the short term, but the world economy is no longer dominated by the West…the Brics now account for 40 percent of the global economy…there are options, to paraphrase Erdogan…

    So even the economic card is not what it used to be…in fact it is getting weaker by the day…the entire Western Ponzi economy is teetering like a house of cards…and the economic warfare that the US is unleashing on half the world could in fact blow up in their faces…

    The ‘there will be no war’ part is not what is even interesting in all this…it is simply a no-brainer…

    What is interesting is the fact that Iran is rejecting negotiations…this was in fact the point of the bluff to begin with…the Iran nuclear deal is a political hobby horse for Trump who wants to look like a big man who is keeping his word and undoing the Obama ‘legacy’…it’s obvious now that the game plan was always simply to redo the Iran deal [probably in some cosmetic way] so that Trump gets the political points…

    But the Iranians aren’t going to play that game…and Trump is now shown to have miscalculated badly…let’s remember here that the US is now in violation of the Security Council resolution on the JCPOA…it is in breach of the supreme international law…

    Iran can simply sit back and let the rogue nation be a rogue nation…until it no longer can…

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  25. Bliss says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    If the nuking of Japan saved the lives of only 10 American Soldiers who otherwise would have died if two nukes had not been dropped on Japan….it was worth it.

    So you calculate that the lives of 10 white soldiers is worth more than the lives of hundreds of thousands of non-white civilians (mostly women and children) from the opposing side in a war?

  26. ohmy says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Haxo, congratulations. I read international news daily, and from many and varied sources. Your remark; “what was in that container offloaded from a Zionist aircraft during the Atlanta airport shut-down.”, is the first comment, since that day when the inbound Israeli plane tripped the rad measuring equipment at Atlanta International. I too want to know what was in the container. My guess it was ferrying to the ME one or all of the nukes detonated since that day. You know the ones I’m talking about, Ankara, Yemen, Damascas, and/or China.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Anon
  27. ohmy says:
    @Quartermaster

    Are you f’n brain dead, or just a troll? The UK and US have not destroyed their chemical weapons, but oddly Russia has.

    • Replies: @Herald
  28. @peterAUS

    Team Russia vs team USA. You seem to always fight shadows. Also, I find it hilarious your American tendency to bring sport terms to things that can turn very deadly. Seems like a lack of healthy historical experience related to interstate violence with you are being on receiving end. Also, please state any reason why usa should not be hated? USA national character is that of a psycho. Who like psychos?

  29. @Erebus

    You seem to follow Olduvai theory predictions. Basically the earth being a limited system this outcome is inevitable. The only way to avoid it is through space resources exploration which is impossible with economy and technologies based on hydro carbons and requires energy revolution and then technological breakthrough in space and other technologies. However, thanks to USA policies and world mess we are wasting time, human resources and natural resources to fight each other and waste everything to produce means of mutual annihilation. There was ussr socialism which was aimed towards stars but it was killed. I see little optimism for our future. If things are not done in timely manner that there will be no resources to proceed.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  30. Erebus says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    You seem to follow Olduvai theory predictions.

    I had to look it up, but no, I don’t think we’re headed back to the stone age except perhaps in some distant future.

    What I do think is that, barring some extraordinary “extinction event”, the right side of the bell curve will tend to look similar to the left.
    Over the next ~100 yrs or so we’ll retrace our steps back to ~100yrs ago – a population of 2-3B and resource consumption on the scale of the 1920s. There may an overshoot, of course, before population and economic activity recovers and stabilizes from what will be a socio-political shock an order of magnitude greater even than the plagues that decimated Europe.

    That makes for a couple of long tough centuries ahead, but the first decade or two are likely to be the most dramatic.

  31. The key strategic weakness of the neocon-run US is that it requires unquestioning obedience from its vassals. As only a hopeless nonentity can be unquestioningly obedient, the US brings to power total shit. However, shit is always cowardly. Ukraine is a good example: there was no offensive in Donbass not because of the kindness of heart of the “president” Poroshenko or others in power now in Kiev. There was no offensive because all this scum are, first and foremost, cowards. One might say that their cowardice is the only redeeming quality of current Ukrainian “rulers” (they don’t rule, puppet masters rule them; hence quotation marks).

    Thus, the US always fails to use vassals as a battering ram, and has to resort to its own military force. Despite strong negative selection, the US military commanders do have an idea what combat really is. That is why they do their best to avoid it. Under orders of the US politicians several US aircraft carriers sailed in general direction of North Korea. They lost two planes in the process, and sailed right back: nobody was willing to stick his neck out, as they knew that Un’s noose is ready. Khamenei is right: the repeat of this farce, possibly with a loss of a few more planes, is all the US bluster will produce: Iranians also have their noose and, just like Un, won’t hesitate to use it. Hence “no war”.

    “No negotiations” is even simpler: look what the US did with the negotiated agreement with Iran, which Iran was adhering to. This makes it clear to anyone with a brain that agreements with the US are worthless.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @jacques sheete
    , @Avery
  32. @Quartermaster

    the US and the UK destroyed their chemical weapons years ago

    Trolls should be taught at least the most basic facts. The US never destroyed its chemical weapons, citing lack of funding. In contrast, Russia destroyed them all in full view of international observers.

  33. Lets not be children here. If somebody thinks that when Iranians went to into Syria to help the legitimate Syrian government, did not realize consequences must have a really small mind.
    US has no proxy state in Levant anymore, except Saudi Arabia. And if expeditionary US forces will start to land in Saudi Arabia, Iranians will torch all Saudi Arabia to cinder. Much much worse than those California forest fires. Trust me please on this one Iranians are very eager to do it. All they only wait for an excuse.

  34. @The Cleaner

    “Non-stupidity”

    Look at the 90′s and look at the United States AFTER Bush left office. Gasoline was 4 x higher 5 years after Iraq then it had been before.

    When stupid hicks elect a moron like Bush they end up in a war that visits its worst after-effects on THEM. It is not the Leftist Jews on the East Coast hit the hardest by the post-War Recession or their kids getting short-changed by the VA.

    The US cannot afford another war in the middle east and only a dumb moron from the sticks of Podunk regions who has never been overseas would actually think that the US economy would not finally sink into absolute ruins.

    Afghanistan is a shithole after 17 years into which billions have been pissed long after the threat was gone.

    A war with Iran, a country much wealthier and more powerful than some toilet bowl in the Hindu Kush, would bankrupt the US. Iran has far less to lose.

    But with China doing business with Iran (And ultimately with Iraq and Pakistan) the Iranians don’t want to go to war anyhow.

    None of them are going to parachute into Iowa and invade the US. They can bottleneck the Persian Gulf for maybe a week before the US navy wiped them out. Otherwise, they pose no threat.

    The morons are the ones who vote for a George Bush in an attempt to turn the clock back to the 1950′s when white Americans ran the world after World War II and were an uncontested Superpower.

    It will never happen again, much as I would like it too. Jews began to organize draft-resistance and males will no longer go to war when “their country calls them”. You cannot get a country to surrender with drone strikes-Afghanistan proved that.

    Hick morons from the sticks might believe anything, but too much of the US public just doesn’t give a shit about their values and is far too cynical to be convinced that a war with Iraq would be anything more than a disaster.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Anon
  35. Wally says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The two bombs were dropped on civilian, not military targets, a massive war crime per international law which the US signed onto.

    said: “Well…nuking Japan with two nukes did in fact shorten the war.”

    No, it did not.

    It was the Soviet Union that got Japan to surrender, not US bombs.

    Here is how General Dwight D. Eisenhower reacted when he was told by Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson that the atomic bomb would be used:
    “During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives.”

    General Curtis LeMay, the tough cigar-smoking Army Air Force “hawk,” was also dismayed. Shortly after the bombings he stated publically: “The war would have been over in two weeks. . . . The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”

    Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, went public with this statement: “The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. . . . The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan.”
    Combined U.S.-U.K. Chiefs of Staff during the war—William D. Leahy:

    “[T]he use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. . . . [I]n being the first to use it, we . . . adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.”

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/05/the-decision-to-bomb-hiroshima/

  36. Wally says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    also see:
    The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan … Stalin Did
    Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

  37. What Trump really is remains to be seen. Could he turn out to be a neocon? Sure, it’s possible. But so is the opposite outcome. That he actually is trying to drain the swamp. But one thing is for certain, Trump easily COULD have had us in a war with Syria or Iran by now, if he wanted. That he has not signed Americans up for another trip through the meat grinder for Israel (yet) speaks volumes about his unspoken intentions.

    That said, this article makes it abundantly clear that this whole concept is going clear over Saker’s head. So I’ll go ahead and spell it out: Hyperbole is the goal with Trump’s rhetoric about Israel’s enemies.

    His ALL CAPS rhetoric is tantamount to table scraps being tossed to the (((insatiable warmongers))) while he keeps his attention squarely focused on America. They NEED to be hyperbolic, he can’t seem like he’s half-assing them, as their goal is to serve as a substitute for the ACTUAL acts of war that the Zionists WANT. He needs to keep the yet-to-be-red-pilled masses who still ignorantly support Israel on his side, as they constitute a considerable portion of his domestic MAGA support base. The caps help to sell that impression. That he’s all super serious and stuff.

    [MORE]

    And OF COURSE the Left is going to have a field day with those comments. He could be celebrating the cure for cancer in all caps and they’d still react the same way. How do you not know that by now? The extra nuggets one isn’t half bad either, considering the left really can’t meme at all. Humorless lot that they are.

    Anyway. Surely you understand what a sudden, hard break with the “AngloZionists” after taking office would have done for his support at home? In the ZIONIST OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT of the USA. They’d simultaneously eviscerate him on the left and right. The pro-Israel evangelical and other layman Zionist demographics would turn on him in a heartbeat. Rabblerabblerabble antisemitism rabblerabblerabble. And, at a few million strong, they constitute enough of a force to sway an election if they did.

    To be sure, I don’t think we will have a clear picture of exactly what’s in Trump’s soul until his 2nd term. That’s when he will make use of the stage he is setting to either go full neocon or full MAGA. But the man’s unprecedented war on the media and swamp have already done irreparable damage to the status quo. The boot that has been firmly held on the throat of whites in America and the broader West has been lifted. Our long silenced voice restored. And before we were made minorities in our own lands, no less. The Overton Window is moving, rapidly, in our favor. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s not going back. Even if Trump goes down.

    None of this would have ever happened under Hillary or Jeb or… any other candidate. And none of this benefits the “AngloZionists” or their agenda in the slightest. I don’t think they foresaw a Trump presidency at all. For all intents and purposes, Trump appears to be expertly outmaneuvering their every effort to control his administration’s foreign policy. And I think that it could turn out to be the case that surrounding himself with neocon stooges was a ploy to sell a specific image to certain demographics that he needed to have supplementing and reinforcing his base, but still have yet to realize that Israel is a part of the swamp too. Yes, there are millions of low information voters who are THAT dense.

    Again. Could I be wrong? YES. But until I know for sure I’d rather continue to hope for the best and prepare for the worst instead of descending into borderline leftist brand hysterics here, comparing tweets and judging who is classier and whatnot.

  38. Art says:

    And yet, 11 years later, the AngloZionist attack which looked so imminent in 2007 has not happened yet. Could it be that this time again an attack on Iran can be avoided? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appears to be very confident that it will not happen. I am not so sure, but I fervently hope that he is right.

    War or peace?

    Hmm — here are the leading minds on war and peace in this administration.

    Donald Trump – Jared Kushner, Gina Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton.

    Feeling sick – everyone?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @Moi
  39. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @eyesfrontmen

    How do you know so much about Iranian women and their lives.?
    What’s PFMAT?

  40. nettles says:

    @ Colin Wright

    As to Saudi Arabia being wrecked — explain to me how that harms Israel.

    Explain why,

    it’s not necessary that the United States win its war with Iran — just that it starts it.

  41. Art says:

    Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has summed up Iran’s stance in the following words “there will be no war and no negotiations“.

    Saying that “there will be No War” is an implicit warning. Saying, that if there is a war – then everyone in the world will suffer — therefor there will be no war – therefor no one will start a war.

    Of course, the most dangerous man on the planet, wants an Iran war – the Israeli Jew – Netanyahu.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    p.s. Could Trump be sucked into an Iran war by a Mossad false flag operation – YES!

  42. Akbar Ali says:

    Dear Saker,

    There is a video on unz.com where Putin says the following about Israel:

    Putin Goes Off Script: “the Deep State Is Ready to Sacrifice Israel”

    http://www.unz.com/video/sayedhasan_putin-goes-off-script-the-deep-state-is-ready-to-sacrifice-i/

    Saker, is it possible that you do a thread on the above video and share your thoughts on it?

    To me it is very explosive!

    Best regards,

    Akbar Ali

    • Replies: @Jake
  43. @Quartermaster

    @Quartermaster

    Are you a State Department bot? At least Heather Nauert flashes a bit of cleavage while spouting her nonsense.

    • Replies: @c matt
  44. Dorian says:
    @Quartermaster

    @QarterMaster the bigot:

    Two can play at your game. I raise your ignorant words with facts:

    Your words:

    The US doesn’t have to do anything to make negotiations impossible with Putin (and it is Putin you have to deal with as he’s the head of the Kleptocracy masquerading as a country). Putin is too stupid to see what he’s doing to his country, or he knows (more likely) and doesn’t care.

    The facts:

    - The disintegration of US’s discretion to manipulating international law to its own bias

    - The saving of Russia from disintegration, as opposed to how Yeltsin, a US obsequious coolie nearly destroyed it.

    - Ending the Chechnya war. Something no US administration has been able to do (that is, ending a war) successfully since the end of hostilities of the Second Word War.

    - The development of social liberation principles and to back them up with funding in the Russian budget. Putin immediately raised all the pensions in the Crimea -a legally and justly voted return to the Russian Federation as opposed to how Stalin cynically and illegally gave it away to the Ukraine – to the same level as the rest of Russia. In fact, Putin has advanced many social support mechanics like FDR did during the 1930′s.

    - Paying down the state debt. Not just paying it down, he is paying the debt down EARLIER than required. Something the US has NEVER done!

    - Implementation of a multi-trillion dollar Stabilization and Wealth Fund for the country. Something the US has never done.

    - Reform the Military Industrial Complex and the Military par se. Putin has got rid of the corrupt actors (many supported by the US) that were destroying the Russian military and Military research labs and turned them now into not only the best in the world, but Russia has now the most formidable weapons systems that Mankind has ever seen.

    - Introduction of the economic cooperation union between independent states. Unlike the USSR the entire area is now buzzing with activity. With China, India, Iran and others starting to realize the West are not longer the economic centre of the world, but Asia is.

    - The success of the Sochi Olympics and the World Cup. In fact, it is globally recognized that the last World Cup in Russia was the best ever.

    - The return of the Crimea. It was always Russian -98% Russian population- and always will be.

    - Fighting crime. Crime rates are at record lows, since the end of the USSR.

    Your words:

    Like it or not, the evidence is incontrovertible that MH-17 was shot down by a Russian AD unit. Even the fascists Putin inserted into the Donbas have admitted as much on video.

    Now for the facts:

    It is now becoming evident that the MH-17 plane was SHOT down by machine-gun fire
    read: <a title=”"https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-suppressed-evidence-machine-gun-like-holes-malaysian-airlines-mh17-was-not-brought-down-by-a-buk-missile/5648099"&#8221; href="https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-suppressed-evidence-machine-gun-like-holes-malaysian-airlines-mh17-was-not-brought-down-by-a-buk-missile/5648099&quot; MH-17 machine gun holes

    In fact documentary evidence is now surfacing that is was Ukraine’s Air Force that shot the plane down <a title=”"http://thesaker.is/sbu-orders-to-destroy-all-evidence-of-the-conducted-special-operation-mh17/&quot;http://thesaker.is/sbu-orders-to-destroy-all-evidence-of-the-conducted-special-operation-mh17/&quot; Evidence that Ukraine shot MH-17 down with Jet Fighters

    Your words:

    The Skripal case is a wonder. It is known that a nerve agent was used against the man and his daughter. The Swiss lab that tested their blood said the murder attempt was done with an agent that was used in the west. The only serious question is where it would have come from as both the US and the UK destroyed their chemical weapons years ago. The only people with motive and opportunity is Putin’s regime. The murder would not have been first for Putin’s regime either.

    The facts:

    Russia has destroyed all its chemical agents as it was inspected by the OPCW. But the US and UK have still theirs read: <a title=”"https://new.euro-med.dk/20180316-the-skripal-novochok-affair-is-an-nwo-bogus-concoction-abusing-scientists-against-principles-of-secret-war-dooming-to-have-ww3-soon-russia-unforgivable.php"&#8221; href="https://new.euro-med.dk/20180316-the-skripal-novochok-affair-is-an-nwo-bogus-concoction-abusing-scientists-against-principles-of-secret-war-dooming-to-have-ww3-soon-russia-unforgivable.php&quot; US has Novichok, Russia doesn’t

    Your words:

    Russia has long proven it is impossible to make an agreement with them and realistically expect them to live by it. It has been so since the Bolshevik Revolution, and once again since the mafia state put Putin at its head. Putin’s behavior invading Ukraine shows he can’t be trusted as Russia is one of the signatories of the Budapest memorandum guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine. This after Putin’s regime stated that Crimea is Ukraine’s.

    The truth:

    You are confusing the USSR with Russia. The Bolshevik Revolution was a revolution to depose a Monarchy, while the new Russia Federation was the out growth of the fall of communism. Putin NEVER invaded the Ukraine. The fighting that is going on in the Donbass (that’s the part of Ukraine you are referring to, I suggest you learn something here), is between Ukrainian and Russian locals. Some 60% percent identify themselves as Ukrainian, and the rest as Russian. It is those Russians in the Donbass that are fighting, they are not invaders, they are locals.

    It is quite clear that you’re a Russia hater, Quartermaster. But not just a bigot but also very ignorant of the facts. Its because of people like you, there is war in the world. Intolerant, selfish, and bigots like you cause this evil we the rest have to live with.

    I am only sorry to say, for people like you never change your hatred. That’s why we have wars, because of the selfish bigots like you.

    • Agree: skrik
    • Replies: @Jake
  45. Herald says:
    @ohmy

    As mentioned by someone else, whatever Quartermaster says is the opposite of reality, which is the classic hallmark of a troll. The first amendment can be the only reason that Quartermaster would be allowed to post such uneducated drivel.

    • Replies: @Avery
  46. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Problem being, White Christian Americans themselves identify as Israeli citizens.

    • But our citizenship is in Jewheaven. And we eagerly await a Jewsavior. (((Philippians 3:20)))

    • So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of Jewgod’s holy Jew people. (((Ephesians 2:19)))

    Jewheaven being Jerusalem. And the Jewsavior being a Jew.

    We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” John 4:22

    American isn’t deporting back to the middle-east what it worships.

    • Replies: @skrik
  47. @Jeff Stryker

    Afghanistan never was a threat to the US and had no more involvement in 9/11 than you or I did. The same people who are reaming you at the gas pump showed the same level of greed when negotiating with the Taliban over a pipeline so the Talibs said no and the invasion was the result. It was planned before 9/11 and the “Pearl Harbour” event provided the excuse for the sheeple.

    The American people have lost far more than the Afghanis over this, they were dirt poor before and are dirt poor now. They had no freedoms before and have non now. They have Allah and for them it seems to be enough. Life in the US is far worse now for most than it was before the invasion.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Biff
    , @Jeff Stryker
  48. Moi says:
    @Art

    Quite a Confederacy of Dunces.

  49. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    In for a penny, in for a pound, eh? Might as well make every statement in your post an egregious lie. You must work at a Burger King franchise and selling whoppers is your day job.

  50. The contrast between the kindergarten-level low-IQ bumbling hot air and threats coming out of the White House and the words of Ali Khamenei could not be greater…

    That’d certainly be a very accurate diagnosis of a major source of the long standing problem, and Varoufakis said as much about the EU, ECB, and EC, and described it well in “Adults in the Room.”

    Another yooge problem is that the public in the West has been subjected to lopsided brainwashing via mass media, skooling (not education), and group pressure for decades if not centuries, and that they themselves are far from acting as adults ( i.e., responsible, thinking) as well.

    In the US, our “leadership” has,with few exceptions, sucked from the beginning (yes, Washington was a first class jerk) and has steadily degenerated with no end in sight, yet some of our resident geniuses blame the world’s woes on the “laziness” and “viciousness” of other people. This article is a fine antidote to that sort of mindless garbage.

    It seems the leadership of Iran understands that one of the most effective ways to deal with bullies is to stand up to them. One does not negotiate with them, nor does one trust them and above all, one does not appease them. Our “leadership” could learn something from them, but will fail at that too.

  51. Respect says:
    @Wally

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria

    did the american atomic bombs were thrown to scare te soviets from invading Japan ? the soviets had just defeated the remnants of the japanese imperial army in Manchuria , in the battle of manchuria , and could have easily invaded japan

    • Replies: @Jake
  52. Jake says:
    @AnonFromTN

    “The key strategic weakness of the neocon-run US is that it requires unquestioning obedience from its vassals.”

    The same was true of the British Empire. It was a strength until the bottom fell out.

    The WASP mentality is one of totally self-righteous imperialism. It assumes that it must rule the world, no matter the cost to ‘others’, including non-Elites of the host nation ruled by WASP Elites.

    • Replies: @Uncle Sam
  53. Jake says:
    @Dorian

    “You are confusing the USSR with Russia. The Bolshevik Revolution was a revolution to depose a Monarchy, while the new Russia Federation was the out growth of the fall of communism. Putin NEVER invaded the Ukraine. The fighting that is going on in the Donbass (that’s the part of Ukraine you are referring to, I suggest you learn something here), is between Ukrainian and Russian locals. Some 60% percent identify themselves as Ukrainian, and the rest as Russian. It is those Russians in the Donbass that are fighting, they are not invaders, they are locals.

    It is quite clear that you’re a Russia hater, Quartermaster. But not just a bigot but also very ignorant of the facts. Its because of people like you, there is war in the world. Intolerant, selfish, and bigots like you cause this evil we the rest have to live with.

    I am only sorry to say, for people like you never change your hatred. That’s why we have wars, because of the selfish bigots like you.”

    Quartermaster may be fully knowledgable. He may be a Jew with the very deep and wide hatred for Russia and Russians so common among Jews. He could be a foreign policy product of the 19th century Brit WASP desire to cripple Russia as a key part of grasping The One Ring To Rule Them All.

    Those 2, of course, coalesced to become the heart of Neconism.

  54. Jake says:
    @Akbar Ali

    US Deep State sacrifice Israel? First, it would sacrifice all non-Elite white Gentiles in the world.

    • Replies: @Akbar Ali
  55. Biff says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    They had no freedoms before and have non now.

    I’ve always have had a hard time figuring out what the heck people mean when they talk about “freedoms”?

  56. @Quartermaster

    Iran is in the process, just like Russia, of rotting from within.

    Maybe, but it’s much more likely that the US is rotting from within, like this.:

    The only plots against us are within our own walls,—the danger is within,—the enemy is within. We must war with …, with madness, with wickedness…

    But why are we speaking so long about one enemy; and about that enemy who now avows that he is one… and are saying nothing about those who dissemble, who remain at Rome…

    -Cicero, Second Catiline Oration, 63 BC

  57. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Trust me please on this one

    Why?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  58. @Anonymous

    You must work at a Burger King franchise and selling whoppers is your day job.

    I doubt he’d ever be trusted near the till; he no doubts spends his time cleaning up after the “guests” have digested and discharged their whoppers.

  59. @Wally

    BTW, Jews have been slinging since at least 1823.

    Wally, I distinctly remember that yo attempted to mock me for bringing up history from the 1930s, saying that was “ancient” history and not relevant. Why is it now OK to go back even further?

  60. Seraphim says:

    I simply cannot believe that “Of course, Iran has been preparing for war with the US for almost 40 years now whereas the Russians only woke up to reality comparatively recently”. 2014

    Could you possibly believe that the wonder weapons Putin revealed to the stunned world took only four years to develop? Russians might be genial but they are not magicians who pull them from the hat. Such things require time to design, test, produce. Russians were preparing for war for much longer. I am always puzzled by the assumption that Russians are naive politicians, when thousand years of history shows that they have been anything but.

  61. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Saker gets an A+ for the article, a text book example of pure unadulterated propaganda. No corners cut, its 99% and 99.9% pure, not a trace of reality anywhere.
    The CIA, M16, Mossad and Saudi Commission on Human Rights couldn’t do better.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  62. @Erebus

    Beyond a certain point, prosperity breeds not children, but decadence (in its widest sense), and eventually dystopia.

    Good comment. Even fake prosperity, that based on debt, can have similar if not the same results.

    Here’s Cicero, again.:

    There is one class of [internal enemies], who, with enormous debts, have still greater possessions, and who can by no means be detached from their affection to them. Of these men the appearance is most respectable, for they are wealthy, but their intention and their cause are most shameless. … if they had been willing to …struggle on against usury with the profits of their farms, we should have them now richer and better citizens.

    There is another class of them, who, altho they are harassed by debt, yet are expecting supreme power; they wish to become masters. They think that when the republic is in confusion they may gain those honors which they despair of when it is in tranquillity…

    There is a third class… who… boast themselves extravagantly and insolently; these men, while they build like rich men, while they delight in farms, in litters, in vast families of slaves, in luxurious banquets, have incurred such great debts, that, if they would be saved, they must raise Sulla from the dead; and they have even excited some countrymen, poor and needy men, to entertain the same hopes of plunder as themselves. And all these men, O Romans, I place in the same class of robbers and banditti. But, I warn them, let them cease to be mad, and to think of proscriptions and dictatorships; for such a horror of these times is ingrained into the city, that not even men, but it seems to me that even the very cattle would refuse to bear them again.

    There is a fourth class, various, promiscuous and turbulent; who indeed are even now overwhelmed; who will never recover themselves; who, partly from indolence, partly from managing their affairs badly, partly from extravagance, are embarrassed by old debts; and worn out with bail bonds, and judgments and seizures of their goods, are said to be betaking themselves in numbers to that camp both from the city and the country. These men I think not so much active soldiers as lazy insolvents…

    There is a fifth class, of patricides, assassins, in short of all infamous characters, whom I do not wish to recall from Catiline, and indeed they can not be separated from him. Let them perish in their wicked war, since they are so numerous that a prison can not contain them.

    There is a last class, last not only in number but in the sort of men and in their way of life: the especial bodyguard of Catiline, of his levying; aye, the friends of his embraces and of his bosom, whom you see with carefully combed hair, glossy, beardless, or with well-trimmed beards; with tunics with sleeves, or reaching to the ankles, and clothed with veils, not with robes; all the industry of whose life, all the labor of whose watchfulness, is expended in suppers lasting till daybreak.

    -Cicero, Second Catiline Oration, 63 BC

  63. @AnonFromTN

    The key strategic weakness of the neocon-run US is that it requires unquestioning obedience from its vassals.

    True, and unfortunately for the US, it’s an unquestioningly obedient vassal of Israel, and so this applies as well.:

    As only a hopeless nonentity can be unquestioningly obedient, the US brings to power total shit, and speaking of that,

    At the time, I didn’t realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

    -Jim Lobe, How neo-cons influence the Pentagon …

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  64. skrik says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    the bloated bodies of American Teenagers floating off the beaches of Iwoa [sic] Jima

    See wiki, Atrocity propaganda [mentions 'to make people hate;' hmmm.] Then, see ‘war porn.’ Now, to ‘nuts & bolts,’ part repeat:

    1. The US A-bombs cost a real motser; there’d be hell to pay if they weren’t ‘cashed in’ for ‘best’ value. Hence the ‘½mio’ [give or take; ymmv] US casualty estimate for invading = a filthy lie.

    2. The US wanted to ‘send a signal’ to the USSR: ‘You could very well be next!’

    3. But most acutely, the US rogue-regime really, really wanted to get data from *live* targets.

    It is not unlikely that the estimates of killed and wounded in Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) are over conservative

    Mostly innocents, note; the 3 target cities were kept ‘pristine’ in reserve; had they been ‘legitimate’ war targets, not to attack them [like US did most other cities, only possible excuse = 'material war supporters!'] would be seen as ‘aiding the enemy.’

    Now, up close and personal: All are entitled to their own opinions, BUT: When an opinion ‘parallels’ the rogue regime narrative [almost = 99,9% in error], then one may ask “Hello-o-o?!” Others [Bliss, Wally, Wally] have given some other counter-arguments, *now* what’s your excuse?

  65. Your statement is racist/supremacist and in support of war crimes.

  66. The now standard “Sunday roast”! The sneering tone of this week’s sauce suggests a sense of defeat. For Europe, the priority is to remove Putin from Ukraine and, ideally, from power altogether, although the latter is probably the corollary of the former. Iran, like Syria, is a means to that end. The lesson of European history is that revisionists can only be dealt with by war. The lesson of American history, going all the way back to the war of 1812, is that, try as it might, the US cannot avoid being dragged into a general European war. By the way, I doubt if God needed to intervene during the World Cup. Any disruption of the event, from any quarter, would have made people furious all over Europe. That the author doesn’t seem to be aware of role of soccer football in European society suggests that he is out of touch with the realities of Europe.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  67. Avery says:
    @AnonFromTN

    { nobody was willing to stick his neck out, as they knew that Un’s noose is ready. }

    What UN noose?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  68. anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    The Iranians are probably right in that there’ll be no war or negotiation. Iran is a large country of 80M people and can’t be handled the way smaller, less organized countries have been. When one looks at the price tag for the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan one can see the staggering sums involved in just trying to control that weak, disorganized area that’s barely even a country. War with Iran would certainly be a drawn-out affair likely to deplete the public till and end up dividing the American public. And the precise war aims would be what, exactly? Whether one likes or dislikes the Iranians is immaterial; they’re there and aren’t going to go away. They intend to be a regional presence and nothing can deter this in the longer run. Insofar as negotiation goes they are saying the US doesn’t engage in it but rather attempts to dictate to others. This is apparently true but depends on the level of pressure the US can exert which in this case isn’t particularly strong, allowing them to remain defiant. Things may have simply shifted to the point where the US ability to actually do something about Iran has passed and all that’s left is the anger and rhetoric.

  69. Avery says:
    @Herald

    {The first amendment can be the only reason that Quartermaster would be allowed to post such uneducated drivel.}

    There is _no_ First Amendment protection in a private enterprise forum.
    That should be obvious to anyone: Youtube, Twitter, etc, etc ban anyone they want, the most recent target being Alex Jones. There were lots before him.

    unz.com can ban anyone anytime they choose to.
    unz.com allows me, you, …everybody to pos,t because they choose to allow.
    No more, no less.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  70. skrik says:
    @Colin Wright

    Somehow, somewhere, there is a glimmer of non-stupidity

    Possibly, in the pentagon – as odd as that may seem. IIRC, Fallon said something very much like: ‘No attack on Iran on my watch!’ And there was a ‘war-game’ that the ‘Iran’ team would have won, if the game hadn’t been stopped, all the ‘sunk’ ships re-floated, then the ‘goodies’ team was ‘allowed’ to fudge a win. Seriously, it may well be that Iran is just too tough a nut for even the retarded militaristic idiots running the pentagon – because their ‘best advice’ = a lose/lose for the US/Z attackers.

    explain to me how that harms Israel

    Simple: Since Nixon took the US off gold, the US has ‘run on fumes,’ namely the petro-$. IF that crashes THEN so does the US and its empire – leaving the Zs ‘out in the cold.’ Wa-a-ay out in the cold; so McCain: “Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!” Yay! rgds

  71. @NoseytheDuke

    “Life is worse”

    I find it unbelievable how far the standard of living has gone down since the 90′s. Oh sure, we have wireless internet and better phones but in the 90′s middle-class Americans lived in McMansions.

    Today Gen Y is still living at home at age 30. In 1994 30 year old males OWNED a house.

  72. The U.S. is a captive nation of Zionist bankers and the Zionist NWO and so is Trump who is just the latest in a long line of POTUS who are puppets of the Zionist cabal, JFK was his own man and they assassinated him and they thought RFK would become POTUS so they assassinated him also.

    Proof of the captive state of America is the fact that Israel tried to sink the USS LIBERTY and killed 34 and wounded 174 and the attack was only called off when a Russian destroyer came upon the scene , and then there is the Israeli and Zionist controlled deep state attack on 911 where some 3000 Americans were killed and in each case Israel got away with it, and that is the definition of a captive nation, not to mention all the wars the U.S. has been involved in at the instigation of the Zionist bankers and the MIC.

    Therefore as America is under zionist control for Irans leaders to say there will not be a war is wishful thinking for when the zionist give the order to go to war the U.S. will go to war and no matter what logic says that it is a mistake, the zionists rule and if they want the U.S. to attack Iran, the U.S. will attack Iran, it is a sure as grass is green.

    Proof of this is Afghanistan/ Iraq/ Libya/ Syria/ Yemen/ Ukraine/Georgia/ etc., etc, America is under zionist control and the zionists are destroying America.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  73. Good article until you attacked the Church. Completely unnecessary.

  74. @Avery

    No UN noose, of course: the UN is neutered in general, with the Security Council neutered in particular by the fact that the members with veto powers include the Empire, two of its sidekicks, and two competitors.

    I meant King Jong-Un’s noose: he won’t hesitate to sink an aircraft carrier or two, if he feels threatened. Besides, he has nowhere to run: he is in his country, whereas the US is thousands of miles away.

    • Replies: @Avery
  75. @jacques sheete

    Do you think that’s why we have exclusively shit for president for decades? You may be right. The establishment does all the choosing in rigged primaries, and when it comes to general voting, you have a choice between shit and even bigger shit. We are perfectly free to decide which shit is bigger – we call it democracy. Deep State rules either way.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  76. @Wally

    Your point is irrelevant as are the comments of the people you quoted. The only point of view that mattered in 1945 were the US Soldiers who were going to die in a US Military Invasion of Japan and their mothers…millions of whom saw actor Eddie Albert’s film footage in theaters across America of the floating bloated bodies of Native Born White Christian Teenage Males off the beaches of Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal…kneeling in Christian Churches across the US wearing prayer veils and clutching rosary beads praying for their teenage sons to come home alive from the Pacific.

    Everyone knew Japan was going to be defeated and was on its last Military legs so to speak. But this is beside the point. The war had gone on long enough and now how to be ended as soon as possible to minimize US casualities…..Hiroshima was nuked first…no surrender…a young Japanese officers coup was occuring to keep the war going to the bitter end….4 days later Nagasaki was nuked…two days later…Japan surrendered……War over

    • Replies: @Grumbler
    , @jacques sheete
  77. skrik says:
    @ohmy

    My guess it was ferrying to the ME one or all of the nukes detonated since that day. You know the ones I’m talking about, Ankara, Yemen, Damascas, and/or China

    At 1st, 2nd and still after the nth glance, this is either sheer [but hitherto unknown] genius – or [fa-a-ar more likely] sheer, bloody rubbish – please explain?!

  78. Avery says:
    @AnonFromTN

    OK. Thanks for the clarification.

  79. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    How can you say the people of the earth have stopped breeding? In the last 48 years the population has gone from
    3 billion 600 million to 7 billion 600 million.

    That’s more than doubled in 48 years.

    Malthus predicted starvation if population increased. Didn’t happen.

    45 years ago Erlich predicted both a coming ice age and mass starvation by the late 1980s. Didn’t happen.

    Crops herds and flocks are bigger than they were 200, 100 and even 50 years ago.

    Super rice, the stalks are much bigger and bear many more grains. The grains are far more nutritious than they were

    Corn. 200 years ago the stalks were 5 or 5 feet high. Now the stalks are up to 14 ft high and the cobs are also much longer and wider than they were, thus more corn to eat.

    100 years ago the average domestic pig was about 130 to at most 200 pounds. Now the farmers have bred 700 pound pigs. In just 25 years, in reaction to the liberal fat kills crusade, farmers bred pigs to be low fat and very lean, thus more meat in this 700 pound pigs.

    Dairy cows are kind of artificial milk machines. They are bred to just pump out vastly more milk than 50 years ago.

    Same with poultry. There are more of them and they are being bred to be bigger every year. 200 years ago chickens were much much smaller than they are today. Same with eggs. Old cookbooks have recipes like 3 cups of flour 8 eggs. To make the same recipe with modern eggs the recipe has to be adjusted to 2 eggs.

    Worn out fields chemical fertilizer is just a marketing tool to convince gullible consumers to pay a lot more money for so called organic food and free range chickens .

    Remember beef causes heart attacks, don’t eat eggs because they have cholesterol noodles and carbs aren’t really fattening so eat less meat and eggs and more carbs and lose weight?

    We all know how the high carb low protein diet worked out don’t we? Obesity epidemic

    Then there’s the whole grain carbs are less fattening than white flour carbs.
    Ever looked at the calorie counts on different kinds of bread?

    It’s like this; plain white bread 110 calories a slice whole-wheat bread 130 calories a slice whole grain bread 160 calories a slice and those delicious breads labeled multi grain. Some are like 220 a slice. That’s probably because they are loaded with molasses and other sugars to make them taste so good..

    3 billion 600 1970 7 billion 600 2018

    The earths population hasn’t stopped breeding.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Erebus
    , @bluedog
  80. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ohmy

    Why would an Israeli aircraft go from Israel to Ankara Yemen Damascus or China via the USA?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Grumbler
  81. Grumbler says:
    @Philip Owen

    Every politician/government of every color and nation speaks with forked tongue. But your anti-White bigotry is duly noticed.

  82. skrik says:
    @Anonymous

    American isn’t deporting back to the middle-east what it worships

    What utter, unadulterated, unwanted and untrue *rubbish*!

    1. The ~95% of ‘modern’ [haw!] shape-changing lizards calling themselves ‘Jews’ = the Ashkenazis never came from the ME, nor did any of their antecedents. Oh! Look over there! A [white-skinned, Caucasian but *not* Semitic] Khazar!

    2. Any ‘heaven’ is only a desperate ‘mental construct’ adhered to by people who simply cannot accept that ‘dead = dead’ and that’s it, finito.

    3. The only force in the US who could send anyone anywhere is the ccc = covert-criminal-cabal, their slaves and sycophants – which does *not* include the mass, ‘great unwashed’ believers in any risible ‘afterlife.’ Haw again!

    You, Anonymous[221] could ‘get a life’ in the ‘here and now.’ Or not. See if I care.

  83. Avery says:
    @Anon

    Excellent post.
    Well done.

    In the same vein, the late author/professor Julian Simon (read his book: highly recommended) excoriated another doom-and-gloomer, one Paul Ehrlich, a biologist, for his irrational predictions.

    [.....Simon countered with "a public offer to stake US$10,000 ... on my belief that the cost of non-government-controlled raw materials (including grain and oil) will not rise in the long run."]

    [Simon challenged Ehrlich to choose any raw material he wanted and a date more than a year away, and he would wager on the inflation-adjusted prices decreasing as opposed to increasing. Ehrlich chose copper, chromium, nickel, tin, and tungsten. The bet was formalized on September 29, 1980, with September 29, 1990 as the payoff date. Ehrlich lost the bet, as all five commodities that were bet on declined in price from 1980 through 1990, the wager period.] (from Wiki)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @pyrrhus
    , @Vidi
  84. Akbar Ali says:
    @Jake

    Jake wrote, “US Deep State sacrifice Israel? First, it would sacrifice all non-Elite white Gentiles in the world.”

    Hi Jack,

    I fully agree with your above comment. Please have a look at what Putin is saying in this video:

  85. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I know urban Jews like you consider ghetto criminal blacks holy saints and urban Jews superior to all other humans.

    NYC and Los Angeles Jews consider Michigan a flyover state populated by dumb moron White hicks except for Ann Arbor

    But you really should take a look at the average SAT scores state by state. You will note that the White moron hick states you’ve never been to and so despise have the highest SAT scores.

    They are not dumb and ignorant. You are dumb and ignorant , endlessly sneering at people you know nothing about.

    Had you ever been out of lower Michigan when you left the US? I doubt it.

    Whites hating Whites of which you are a prime example is the only problem Whites have.

    From Whites hating other Whites come all our problems from school bussing and affirmative action to open immigration and moving all our manufacturing overseas.

    Start a blog. jeffhateswhiteamericans.net

  86. pyrrhus says:

    “The truth is that in terms of aggregate national power, the US still remains the most powerful country on the planet (even if we don’t include nuclear weapons).”

    Simply not true, Saker…The US’s outdated and affirmative action debilitated conventional forces largely consist of floating targets called Carriers, and other highly vulnerable technology. It would have no chance against the massive and highly disciplined Chinese army, or the superior technology and infantry of Russia..America’s navy can’t even steer a straight course without colliding with something, while it’s air force is ready for the last war, not the next one.

    • Replies: @Grumbler
  87. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Only dumb moron rural 30 year old White hicks were able to buy houses in flyover country in 1994.

    The educated urban Whites who were in college getting their advanced degrees from 18 to 26 or so were unable to buy houses in the expensive urban areas where they lived in 1994.

  88. Grumbler says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    War, “Your point is irrelevant as are the comments of the people you quoted. The only point of view that mattered in 1945 were the US Soldiers who were going to die in a US Military Invasion of Japan…”

    How can they be irrelevant?! They are the direct quotes from those who were in the know about whether or not the bombs were necessary to end the war. There was no reason to invade Japan to end the war if Japan was already trying to surrender prior to the bombs so the argument that it saved American soldiers’ lives is utter nonsense.

  89. Jake says:
    @Respect

    Yes, but more generally it was to show the world that the US WASP Elite, like the Brit WASP Elite, had no moral qualms about using the worst weapons directly on civilians.

  90. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Good question.

  91. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Thanks. I was thinking about Erlich but wasn’t sure of the name He predicted mass starvation by the mid 1980s. I don’t know much about ores and minerals but I do know a little about farming.

    Like most people, I’d rather drive to work on light traffic roads but if it’s necessary I’ll take public transit even if some of it’s a boondoggle. Millions of people take public transit in the big cities and suburbs every day.

    I remember maybe 1979 magazines like Time having covers about the coming ice age and eternal winter which was supposed to start around 1990.

  92. EugeneGur says:
    @Michael Kenny

    For Europe, the priority is to remove Putin from Ukraine and, ideally, from power altogether

    Fat chance. The Europeans are such cowards, they can’t even remove those ‘refugee” invaders from their own land, and they want to remove PUTIN from some place where he wants to remain? I’d dearly like to see them try.
    And you, my friend, dream on.

  93. Grumbler says:
    @Anon

    Perhaps the “cargo” never left the states with the Israeli aircraft? Could it be the next false flag event to send the US into another Zionist war?

    • Replies: @Anon
  94. Grumbler says:
    @Anon

    “From Whites hating other Whites come all our problems…”

    Agreed! The question is Who is directing Whites to hate their fellow Whites? It clearly is not happening by nature. Of course we do know who is behind all of this.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  95. EugeneGur says:
    @Grumbler

    There was no reason to invade Japan to end the war if Japan was already trying to surrender prior to the bombs so the argument that it saved American soldiers’ lives is utter nonsense.

    Not to mention that it doesn’t matter. The whole defense – saving the lives of American soldiers – is nonsensical, whether true or not. It is a war crime to deliberately target civilians regardless how convenient that might be for the military to do so.

    Deliberately killing civilians while avoiding the engagement with the armed forces, which could fight back, could be a very effective way of bringing the enemy to the knees. The US has done this many a time, in Japan, in Germany, and, the latest example, in former Yugoslavia. Fellujah and Raqqa come to mind as well. Its effectiveness doesn’t make this action less of a war crime.

    The fact that such defense is still considered legitimate only show that the the moral compass in American society is completely off.

  96. pyrrhus says:
    @Avery

    Regardless of all that, topsoil is disappearing at a rapid rate worldwide, as is fresh water. Only 15% of the oil reserves consumed in 2016 were replaced, and the majors have cut their exploration budgets because of the scarcity of good prospects. No country in Africa can feed itself now, and its population is increasing rapidly…
    No amount of hype or mindless optimism can put any kind of dent into the actual facts on the ground.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Anon
  97. Grumbler says:
    @pyrrhus

    Pyrrhus, spot on. Paraphrasing Fred Reed here: It is foolish to equate expensive whizz bangs with actual power.

    On paper the US might be militarily victorious in a 3genwar but it does not stand a chance in a 4genwar e.g. from Vietnam to the present, no matter how much fiat money it prints to pay for a “victory”.

  98. ‘The key strategic weakness of the neocon-run US is that it requires unquestioning obedience from its vassals.’

    I think the key weakness is that we have started requiring that they participate in things that make no sense.

    After all, US hegemony started with leading everyone in the struggle against Nazism and Japanese expansionism. Our ‘Revisionists’ aside, no one could seriously see that as a bad thing.

    Then we went on to orchestrating resistance to Soviet expansionism. Also a good thing, and no nonsense please.

    These days? Well, we got lots to join in a ‘war on terror’ that consisted largely of invading and occupying a country that wasn’t a haven for terrorism in the first place. Now, having signed an agreement with Iran, we are reneging on the agreement and threatening anyone who fails to renege as well with sanctions. We’ve taken to imposing tariffs all over the place — not as part of some considered, discussed scheme, but apparently almost at random, to score points on Twitter. Like where did those tariffs on Turkey come from, and how does it rationally relate to the apparently unjust detention of one pastor?Finally, we’ve taken to making gratuitious remarks on the internal affairs of all and sundry.

    So yeah our grasp on global leadership is slipping. That’s because we’re demanding that everyone do stupid things that make no sense. In this connection, notice the brief bubble of approval when we did flirt with doing something that actually did make sense — to wit, disarming a nuclear North Korea.

    The world is still reasonably open to the idea of US leadership. We just need to quit being idiots. As it is, a Turkish establishment academic summed up the situation this way:

    ‘…Today, the near-impossible roadmap for establishing a productive relationship with Washington is as follows: first, make Trump happy and don’t annoy the US Congress, or vice versa. Then, make sure the US media, which has turned opposing Trump into an obsession, does not turn against you.

    So far, other than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, nobody has been able to achieve this. And even after all these steps have been taken, you must proceed with caution, hoping that Trump will not tweet about the issue upon which you thought you had agreed…’

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/w … -788557907

  99. @Grumbler

    The moral responsibility of the Roosevelt-Truman Administration was to the soldiers who would die and be maimed for life..and their Native Born White Christian Mothers who praying for their safe return home……not to the Japanese Civilian Population. The War in the Pacific ended two days after the bombing of Nagasaki…

  100. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Grumbler

    The conventional history and usually the excuse for the atom bomb is that it saved American military and Japanese military and civilian lives.

    Whatever the ulterior motive of threatening the Russians, the war did end shortly after the bomb. And lives were saved

    German cities like Dresden Hamburg and Berlin sufferered more damage and more civilian deaths during the 4 years of allied bombings than Nagasaki and Hiroshima did in a few days of bombing

    The numbers killed in Germany in 4 years instead of 5 days of bombing have been hidden by Britain so well it’s difficult to estimate.

    America used a different type of bomb on Japan so what?

    A lot of the atom bomb hysteria was part of the 1950s 60s Soviet inspired effort to disarm the rest of the world.

    And of course stupid gullible liberals fell for the crusade Ban the bomb in every country in the world but the Soviet Union.

    Bombs fire storms destruction and deaths whether it’s an arrow covered with an oil soaked rag set on fire and shot into the thatch and woodpile or the atom bomb, what’s the difference?

    Or Greek fire which enabled the Byzantines to set as many as 8 thousand Turkish ships on fire at a time and defended their country for centuries.

    A bomb is a bomb.

  101. @Anon

    I’m from Ann Arbor, in fact. That is the “Detroit suburb” I was referring to.

    But I’m no Jew. My background is Lutheran-Catholic. I was not able to afford the University of Michigan and attended a state college.

    I’m middle-class. Dad was a research scientist. Made $50,000 a year in the 1980′s. My mother sometimes worked in construction.

    • Replies: @Anon
  102. @skrik

    ‘Possibly, in the pentagon – as odd as that may seem. ‘

    Actually, the US military didn’t enjoy Viet Nam, and although that generation is passing from the scene, it has influenced their thinking.

    The idea when we went into Iraq was that the invasion would be made in adequate numbers — not just to overthrow Saddam Hussein, but to occupy and control the country afterwards. Colin Powell was very emphatic: he did not want to repeat Viet Nam.

    Unfortunately, the White House cut the force to a third of what the military thought advisable — with the results that could be expected. Much to be said about that, but you may recall it didn’t work out very well.

    I suspect the military didn’t enjoy Iraq either. So it’s understandable if they don’t want to go after Iran — not unless we’re prepared to reinstate the draft, massively expand the force we can put on the ground, etc.

    Unfortunately for the military, the Israel lobby doesn’t need us to win in Iran. Just going there will suffice. So long as it’s guid and bluidy, all their needs will be met.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Vidi
  103. @Grumbler

    I don’t hate whites. And I do not believe that any amount of white self-hate would save white males if blacks or Hispanics ran things. Jews might tolerate whites, blacks and Hispanics would get rid of the males (Women will go over to the winning side).

    It is doubtful that blacks would love Jews if they were the only whites around. Events in Brooklyn like the Crown Heights Riots refute this. I’m not sure Jews believe this.

    • Replies: @Anon
  104. Che Guava says:
    @Renoman

    This leaves a question that the Saker is not raising. Are the Skripals in some kind of long-term confinement by the UK govt.?

    For sure. They are under some kind of house arrest, although fully recovered from the poisoning.

    Strange.

    As for Iran, many there want the mullocracy to fall. Known from first-hand talk, and simple signs on media.

    The best way to make sure it never happens until many decades in the future, or some time in the coming new Dark Age, is an attack now.

    The zionists and their european and anglosphere, suid amerique colonies are fools.

    If Israel really hates Iran (mainly because the latter are quite advanced and very civilized), instead of the usual ‘Let’s you fight them.’ bullshit, ‘plucky little’ oversubsidised nuke power Israel can handle it on its own.

    Screw them for wanting to make yet another war!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @peterAUS
    , @I.M
  105. @skrik

    ‘…Simple: Since Nixon took the US off gold, the US has ‘run on fumes,’ namely the petro-$. IF that crashes THEN so does the US and its empire – leaving the Zs ‘out in the cold.’ “

    Unfortunately for us, the Zionists aren’t all that wise. For them, the United States is just some kind of vast cornucopia, to be looted and exploited ad infinitem, as if it were indestructible and infinite.

    A war in Iran would end our role as global hegemon — and hopefully, spell the end to our support for Israel.

    But the Zionists don’t think that far ahead. They’re possessed by a kind of short-sighted ‘cleverness’ that leads them — and will lead us — into one disaster after another. Just look at their acheivements so far.

    1. Creating Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO. They’ve got Hamas on their hands now.

    2. Invading Lebanon to create an Israeli puppet state in Southern Lebanon. Oh look: we founded Hezbollah!

    3. Invading Iraq to get rid of that nasty Saddam Hussein. Now Iran has a Shi’a ally!

    So Iran — which isn’t even a significant threat — is going to be their next triumph.

    Too bad for us. Too bad for Iran as well, but that doesn’t do us any good.

  106. anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I can sense white nationalism in your post. White nationalism is simply an euphemism for white supremacy. In other words, you are a racist douchebag.

    Your mention of “urban Jews superior to all other humans,” is ironic because white racist douchebags think the same of others too. They also happen to be murderous psychopaths, raping and plundering the so-called third world.

    Regarding Whites hating other Whites… surely, there is something morally slimy about the likes of people (your kind) who think they are racially “superior” to others (high SATs or not).

    So, if one group of Whites hate your kind of racist douchebags, even if 25~50% of it is as virtue signalling, with the remaining being a somewhat working moral compass, how can you blame them?

    The problem is you, you exist to be detested by all moral peoples of the world.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jacques sheete
  107. @Colin Wright

    “reinstate the draft”

    Good luck with that.

  108. @SolontoCroesus

    On one website I was following the discussion of learned man of Sunni and She’ ite persuasion.
    They hate each other so much that is unbelievable.
    Due to idiotic US policies in the area the Sunni are now very very weakened.
    Iran now has a chance to deliver coup the grace to Sunni power by destroying Saudi Arabia.
    Iran has enough rockets with more explosive power than is needed to accomplish this task. All they need an excuse to do it.
    If Saudi Arabia will host US troops for possible military action against Iran, than in the eyes of the world this will be defensive military action.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  109. peterAUS says:
    @anon

    Saker gets an A+ for the article, a text book example of pure unadulterated propaganda. No corners cut, its 99% and 99.9% pure, not a trace of reality anywhere.

    Don’t say….

    Worse, he most likely believes in all that he wrote here.

  110. Avery says:
    @pyrrhus

    {No amount of hype or mindless optimism can put any kind of dent into the actual facts on the ground.}

    No amount of mindless pessimism can put any kind of dent into the actual facts on the ground. As noted in my post above, Julian Simon proved with actual facts on the ground that the mindless pessimism of doom-and-gloomer Paul Ehrlich was bunk.

    You citing this or that statistic, such as “Only 15% of the oil reserves consumed in 2016 were replaced” produced by who knows who is no proof of anything, nor can it predict what will happen in the future. One year headlines scream “Oil glut”, next year “Oil glut vanishes”.
    Who knows what the actual state of world’s oil/hydrocarbon reserves is?
    If oil was not subject to political and/or geostrategic manipulation, we’d have a realistic picture.

    Population has relentlessly gone up, oil/hydrocarbon use has gone up, and yet the oil prices have gone up and down.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Brent_Spot_monthly.svg

    If there is actual shortage of something, then prices relentlessly go up.

    Same with wheat and rice prices: they have gone up, and gone down, and up,….. over the past 40-50 years.
    Africa not being able to feed itself is largely a political problem.
    How is it that India (disorganized, inefficient) is able to not only feed its 1.3 Billion mouths, but is able to also export agricultural products*?

    Aaaaaand according to UN stats, an estimated 30% of worldwide food production is lost/wasted, largely to critters (mice) before it reaches consumers. In US an estimated 40% is lost/wasted due to…..Americans throwing away tons of food. If you live in the US you see this every day and everywhere.

    __________________
    *

    https://www.fas.usda.gov/data/india-s-agricultural-exports-climb-record-high

    [In the past decade, India has emerged as a major agricultural exporter, with exports climbing from just over $5 billion in 2003 to a record of more than $39 billion in 2013. India became the world’s seventh-largest exporter of agricultural products in 2013, surpassing Australia. ]
    [India has become a very important player on the global market, especially for rice, cotton, sugar, and beef (buffalo). In addition to these products, India has also become a sizeable exporter of soybean meal, guar gum, corn, and wheat, as well as a diverse range of other products. ]

    • Replies: @Anon
  111. @War for Blair Mountain

    Well…nuking Japan with two nukes did in fact shorten the war.

    Sorry, but the war was effectively long over.

    Time to grow up, forget your grade school “history,” and start questioning things.

    Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

    The United States Strategic Bombing Survey
    Japan’s Struggle to End the War
    Chairman’s Office
    1 July 1946

    https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/index.php?documentid=68&pagenumber=50

    In fact, responsible Japanese never wanted the war since it was lost from the outset, and they begged to surrender, but were refused by the US goons who benefitted from a prolonged war.

    Don’t be a douche.

  112. anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Native Born White Christian Mothers who praying for their safe return home

    Only, those pagan “Native Born White Christian Mothers” were praying to someone who had no power to grant them anything. They might as well have been praying to the blank wall in front of them. O Great Wall, please protect our sons… Amen! LOL!

    It is a good thing for them that the laws of destiny do not differentiate between those who really pray to God (like true monotheists), and those who indulge in pagan delusions (like said Mothers).

    Good and bad happens to everyone, and that is the reason why paganism and polytheism and godlessness has survived since forever.

  113. @Che Guava

    ‘…As for Iran, many there want the mullocracy to fall. Known from first-hand talk, and simple signs on media.

    The best way to make sure it never happens until many decades in the future, or some time in the coming new Dark Age, is an attack now…’

    You’re not under the impression that this outcome isn’t sought?

    The last thing Israel wants is a progressive, prosperous Iran engaging with the rest of the world. What’s sought is a dark, repellant theocracy irrefutably implicated in terrorism.

    And how to get that?

    It’s like ISIS. Ever follow the history of that? Like it wasn’t wanted…too bad the Turks and Syrians and Iranians and things got fed up and just crushed it. We’d spent all that time nurturing it, and baiting it, and massaging it to make our great terrorist enemy — and then the neighbors come along and just trample all our delicate flowers into the mud.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  114. @AnonFromTN

    We are perfectly free to decide which shit is bigger – we call it democracy. Deep State rules either way.

    Without a shred of doubt.

    I’ve almost finished reading Douglas Reed’s, Far and Wide, which he wrote ~70 years ago, and he would agree with that and explains why.

    This ambition (and today I think it is apparent) is to set up a World State to which all nations, having ruined each other, shall be enserfed. The League of Nations was to my mind a first experiment in that direction and the United Nations is a second one, much more advanced.
    A wandering journalist, I have gone through the thick of these events for many years and have no doubt left that this is the shape of things intended to come. Two groups, alien in all lands and powerful in all lands, chiefly promote that great design. The political explorer finds Soviet Communism and Zionist Nationalism in all countries to be forces powerful behind the scenes, and in sum their separate efforts serve a converging ambition.

    It is, as I judge, to crush the nations into a flat, brazen servitude between the hammer of revolution and the anvil of gold. The founder of Zionist Nationalism, Theodor Herzl, openly described the method: ‘The power of our purse … the terrible power of the revolutionary proletariat.’ It reveals the secret, the great discovery, of politics in our times. Politicians can ever be brought to yield either to the glitter of material reward (perhaps in the shape of votes), or, if that fails, to the threat of agitation and overthrow. Such is the conspirator’s road to power, on high and higher to the highest levels.

    https://alor.org/Library/Reed%20D%20-%20Far%20and%20Wide.pdf

  115. @War for Blair Mountain

    The war had gone on long enough and now how to be ended as soon as possible to minimize US casualities (sic)…

    For a guy with a claimed IQ of 152, you sure come up with some amazing BS. Anyway, I would like to know the source of your claim. Please provide it.

  116. @Anon

    I’m no Jew and I’m proud of being a middle-class white.

    My grandfather came as a cabinet maker to Detroit as a 14 year old. He opened a lumber yard. My Dad served as a combat medic then became a research scientist.

    But I am tired of how whites are so easily manipulated and used like a dumb drunk girl at a party.

    • Replies: @Anon
  117. @Jeff Stryker

    In 1994 30 year old males OWNED a house.

    Well, at least they effectively rented it from a bank and the government. (Mortgage and taxes.)

    Nowadays few can afford even that.

    • Replies: @Anon
  118. @DESERT FOX

    Proof of the captive state of America …

    …is everywhere, and has been for some time.

    Douglas Reed said so ~70 years ago, and I don’t see that the situation’s improved since.

    [America] was promised four freedoms, but in truth was surrendered to three servitudes.

    The first of these is the now visible supremacy in its affairs of a new, foreign ambition: Political Zionism.

    The second servitude is the permeation of American public life at all levels by a second foreign ambition, Soviet Communism. This is the other prong of the pincers described by Herzl: ‘When we sink we become a revolutionary proletariat.’ The edifice of State is weakened at the top by the power of the purse and at the middle by the infiltration of revolutionaries. This second process began in full force with the inauguration of President Roosevelt nearly twenty years ago.<

    The third servitude, which helps the other two by corrupting political life at its foundations, as distinct from the higher citadels and departmental levels of power, is organized crime.

    -Douglas Reed, Far and Wide, 1951

    I’d add 3 more “servitudes,” wage, tax, and debt slavery.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  119. @Colin Wright

    After all, US hegemony started with leading everyone in the struggle against Nazism and Japanese expansionism. Our ‘Revisionists’ aside, no one could seriously see that as a bad thing.

    Struggle against Nazism? Nazism was a struggle against US and London bankster supported Communism.

    What was wrong with the idea of Japanese “expansionism” except that it may have competed a bit with ‘Merkin “expansionism across the Pacific right into Japan’s neighborhood. Have you forgotten about the wretched Philippine-American War, or more likely, have you even heard of it?

    Learn about it and think about it. Then consider the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere in light of the Monroe Doctrine, although that my be a bit much to swallow.

    Japanese expansionism? What a hoot.

  120. Erebus says:
    @Anon

    How can you say the people of the earth have stopped breeding?

    I can’t, which is why I didn’t.

    The prosperous races stopped when they reached the prosperity/breeding tipping point, whatever that is. The currently poor keep breeding because they’re not so poor that they can’t. The spillover of prosperity from the prosperous means the offspring of the poor live as opposed to succumbing to hunger and disease. Hence their numbers are increasing at rates similar to the West’s 100 yrs ago.

    That the most prosperous, namely the European races, and even the breeding champion Chinese are breeding below replacement is undeniable. The Chinese govt lifted the 1 child policy some time ago, and the Chinese went “Meh…”.

    As for the rest, it may be worth debating your tendentious points, but you’ve gone so far off topic as to be uninteresting in the context of a possible attack on Iran. Bring it on, but some other place and time.

    • Replies: @Anon
  121. @War for Blair Mountain

    The moral responsibility of the Roosevelt-Truman Administration was to…

    Mentioning the concept of moral responsibility of that gangster administration has to be satire or s silly joke.

    They mocked any pretense to moral responsibility when they sent the soldiers into the unnecessary war (Churchill’s words) in support of Stalin and the international commie bankers.

  122. peterAUS says:
    @Che Guava

    As for Iran, many there want the mullocracy to fall. Known from first-hand talk, and simple signs on media.

    Pretty much.

    As for

    The best way to make sure it never happens until many decades in the future, or some time in the coming new Dark Age, is an attack now.

    not necessarily.
    There is also a decent possibility of the regime collapsing in all of the country or in some parts of the country.

    Let’s see, so far:
    Yugoslavia ’99.
    Afghanistan.
    Iraq.
    Libya.
    Syria.
    Ukraine.

    So…should the “intervention” create, in Iran, the same outcome as in ANY of the examples above, all good.
    Best case scenario Iraq. Worst case scenario Ukraine.

    The only case where the game didn’t go the way of The Empire was Georgia. A direct, open, proper Russian intervention. Emphasize on “proper”.

    In this case highly unlikely.

    • Disagree: Che Guava
  123. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    On one website I was following . . .

    Oh.
    Riiiight.

    Now I AM impressed.

  124. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @pyrrhus

    Topsoil blows away and lands somewhere else For instance, Colorado has thin topsoil even in totally flat areas. Kansas is black gold deep fertile topsoil.

    Why? First Colorado and Kansas are pretty dry and there’s not enough natural bushes, plants and rain to keepthe soul moist to keep the Colorado topsoil in place.

    Second, for centuries there’s been a prevailing wind that blows from Colorado to Kansas and then stops. Ask any local and they will tell you the Colorado topsoil was blown to Kansas.

    That’s why the 2 states have such different levels of topsoil. Nothing to do with evil White peoples raping Mother Gaia. Just evil prevailing wind stealing Colorado topsoil and depositing it in Kansas

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  125. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    So very true. Even if the mortgage is paid off property tax major maintainence and utilities can kill you.

    Whether we make $50,00 or $500,000 a year, the worker is just a pipe in which flows the paycheck right to taxes mortgages student loans property tax the cars and the rest of it.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  126. @War for Blair Mountain

    Americans lack any sense of honor. But as Christian you sure must know that there is time to throw stones and there is time to collect stones. America has thrown a lot of stones in the past 70+ years.

  127. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’m sorry to get into a fight but

    You claim you grew up in inner city Detroit

    You claim you grew up in suburban Detroit surrounded by poor dumb moron White trash.

    You claim your background is solid middle class.

    You claim all the other Whites in your neighborhood were poor dumb moron high school drop out no job skills no trade school no Jr college unemployed druggies Doesn’t sound like a middle class neighborhood to me

    You claim you left the US right after college and haven’t come back in 25 years except for a few visits.

    You seem to have spent your childhood and youth in central Michigan and not seen all that much of the rest of the US. I might be wrong. Maybe you did travel as far as Chicago or the upper Peninsula

    So although you’ve never been anywhere in the US but Michigan and a trip to Los Angeles your numerous posts consist of endless sneering about states you’ve never been and people you’ve never seen

    The continual sneers at poor rural dumb moron hicks are part of the standard Jewish myth that all farmers are illiterate starving serfs.

    Middle class scientists don’t raise their children either in inner city Detroit or among poverty stricken high school dropout poor White trash.

    It’s just that your posts contradict themselves and often don’t make much sense.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  128. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    So Ann Arbor is where you grew up
    surrounded by inner city blacks and high school dropout moron hick drug addicted poor White trash.

    Interesting

    Growing up in an elite college town at least explains your contempt and disdain for White Americans.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  129. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    You’re the one who went off topic into we’re all going to starve and population decline.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  130. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Sense White Nationalism in my post???
    I am a White Nationalist and proud of it.

    I’m also a fascist. I believe it’s a good economic system It balances capital, labor and government interest much better than any other system. Best thing about Faciam is it takes care of its own people instead of foreigners for every job from engineer and Dr to dishwasher.

    Plus I greatly greatly admire General Franco.

    Yeah right, I’m a White Nationalist who has no grandiose plans to save the rest of the world. Or invade the rest of the world to save it as liberals do.

    White Nationalist isn’t a slur. It’s a badge of honor.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  131. Che Guava says:
    @Colin Wright

    Colin,

    You are being a little dense, or maybe I was being a little too elliptical, but your reply is very close to what I was intending with my comment.

  132. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Read your posts about Whites. Maybe not hatred but total contempt and disdain. And completely erroneous claims that we’re all poor high school drop out drug addicted unemployable White trash.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  133. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Grumbler

    If I were to speculate I’d say the Israeli aircraft was bringing some nuclear devices into the US to set off as needed in the future.

  134. @jacques sheete

    Agree, and actually America was captured by the zionist banking cabal on December 23, 1913 when they got their privately owned FED through congress and got the right to create money out of thin air and create debt and wars forever with their IRS taxing their American slaves.

    Zionists will be the destruction of America.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  135. @jacques sheete

    I have no problem with the destruction of Nazi Germany….and the Jap bastards. The US could have lived in peace with Stalin….and Post-Stalin Commie Russia. The Nazis aided and abetted the Jab Bastards And the Bosnian Muslims. Your insane if you think Stalin was a tool of the Zionist Bankers. There is a direct road from the anti-commie crusade starting in 1945…to the passage of The 1965 Native Born White American Extermination Act…up to the nose picking narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foreigner…onto the Hindu-Jamaican POTUS Kamala Harris who harbors open violent intent towards Christian Russia….

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  136. @Sergey Krieger

    Sergey

    If you are writing from the perspective of a Christian Russia…yes, I agree with you. Christian Russia is more than justified in launching a massive nuke strike on America as soon as possible…start with Hollywood first….aim the first nuke at (((Rob Riener’s))) Malibu Beach Home…..followed by the rest of (((Hollywood)))…onto Hyannis Port…home to a well known syphyllitic Irish Catholic Cockroach Clan…..(((NYC))) immediately afterwards…..

  137. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Critters eating crops in the field is a big problem. My parents had about 40 fruit trees of all different kinds. They never sprayed pesticide. We didn’t have cats. I’d say about 70% of the fruit was spoiled by bugs worms and birds.

    Same with the grapes and berries.

    For some reason the critters left the cherries alone.

    All the big commercial orchards in California used to be overrun with big rats. When the orchards were razed for houses the rats remained. Rats infest animal feed storage. They just bury themselves in there and make a little town. They won’t come out to eat rat poison and the barn cats can’t get in there.

    Have all these agricultural experts ever even had an apple tree or some cucumbers and tomatoes in the back yard? Probably not

    Depleted topsoil. After harvest and before planting next years crop farmers plow all the stalks roots and leaves back into the ground and it becomes organic compost. They do that year after year and the topsoil never depletes.

    They also rotate crops. So the different nutrients are depleted and then restored by the different crops.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  138. @anonymous

    White nationalism is simply an euphemism for white supremacy.

    Does that apply to all forms of white nationalism? What about the Zionist’s national program in Palestine, and don’t tell me the Zionists there are non-whites.

  139. One gets this creepy feeling that by this unnatural way of egging on the war with Iran via the back door. Everyone knows or should know that Iran and its people would be devastated by an all out attack by the US armed forces and anyone who thinks otherwise, is an arrant ignoramus and a fool to boot too!

    • Disagree: bluedog
    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @bluedog
  140. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    The Iranians won’t have to set the torches to Saudi Arabia! That would be disastrous politically for Iran amongst the Moslems for attacking the Holy Land! In fact the 800,000 Shiites working and operating the Aramco oil industry on the Eastern front of SK will set the torch for the Iranians!
    Many of the commenters here haven’t even walked away from the cities, state or the country where in they live and making nonsensical judgments about the other nations!
    Saker left off one important piece from Khamenei’s speech and that is “We will NOT start a war but we will defend our people against any aggression or aggressor”. What Saker quoting was for their own domestic consumption. It was to dampen what a few Iranian generals were saying following Trump’s threatening comments to Rouhani. In a way was also telling Trump to shut up and don’t make any threatening comments again! Also the hidden message to the US is to go ahead if you’d like for Israel to disappear! Just remember Iran has the third largest Jewish population on this planet!
    Yes the US is a powerful country with awesome military machineries and can drop many bombs from the air on Iran! It can also duplicate its atrocities committed in Japan in Iran! But the US has no human convictions as it has been displayed in Korea, Vietnam, Yugeslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and it won’t be any different in Iran!

  141. bluedog says:
    @Anon

    Strange when Sullivans army went marching up the Genesee Valley destroying everything in it path they remarked ,that mounted on a horse the ears on the corn came up to their saddle, and the ears spanned from finger tip to elbow,now unless these were all midgets something is wrong with your calculations on what corn was back in 1778 or so…

    • Replies: @Anon
  142. nsa says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    “if the nuking of Japan saved the lives of only 10 American Soldiers……”
    As usual, you have it exactly backwards, mirror image, inside out. At least 10 captured American fliers were imprisoned in Hiroshima at the time. The US general staff knew it and vaporized them anyways, along with all those Japanese civilians, little kids, dogs, cats, and even their pet goldfish. It is said that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only two Christian cities in Japan…..must be some kind of coincidence they were both nuked? Life is tough, but it must be double tough being a moron like you.

    • Agree: L.K
  143. peterAUS says:
    @Dagon Shield

    Agree.

    The pressure on the regime in Tehran is definitely increasing.

    Will it end in “engagement”, or not, is The Question.
    Doesn’t need to be, BUT, the mullahs would need to “go”. To what extent, and how, is the catch.

    Failing that “go”, the most likely scenario is the “Syrian option”.

    Or….something happens in USA itself, which stops that drive.
    I just don’t see what that could be.
    The only thing warring parties of US politics agree is the “engagement.”

    There we are.

  144. bluedog says:
    @Anon

    No not here they aren’t the farmers are the curse of the land,we have three potato farms here who grow potatoes for Wise chips,oh somewhere around 4 thousand acres in total,now that land lies barren from digging time to planting time again, and crop rotation they never heard of,and the dairy farmers are no better, for they will plant corn on the same land 10-15 years running and why a cover crop are crazy that cost money say the wards of the federal government, who are taken care of from the cradle to the grave….

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  145. bluedog says:
    @Dagon Shield

    You drank way to much of the kool-aide and should seek some medical attention as soon as possible….

    • Replies: @Dagon Shield
  146. @War for Blair Mountain

    Your (sic) insane…blah blah blah…

    Now I have no doubt what you’re about, and there is obviously no point in trying to reason with you. Thank you.

  147. @Anon

    That’s why the 2 states have such different levels of topsoil. Nothing to do with evil White peoples raping Mother Gaia. Just evil prevailing wind stealing Colorado topsoil and depositing it in Kansas

    Ever hear of the concept of over grazing?

    • Replies: @Anon
  148. Vidi says:
    @Colin Wright

    Unfortunately for the military, the Israel lobby doesn’t need us to win in Iran. Just going there will suffice. So long as it’s guid and bluidy, all their needs will be met.

    Actually, the U.S. would need to win quite quickly — which would never happen, of course.

    The pressure for a rapid victory comes from Iran’s ability to kill the petrodollar**. The petrodollar’s death would ruin the U.S.’s current status as the issuer of the world’s reserve currency, and therefore the U.S. economy would crash. With its economy in chaos, the U.S. would promptly forget the war against Iran — and support for Israel would evaporate.

    So people should be wary of listening to the same Neocons who promised easy victories in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    And Israel wouldn’t benefit from an invasion of Iran. If the small country lost American support, it could lose everything.

    ** How could Iran destroy the petrodollar? Quite easily. By trashing Saudi Arabia’s oil ports and by closing the Straits of Hormuz and Bab el-Mandeb. The rest of the world (mostly Europe) needs some dollars to buy oil from the Middle East; if the flow of this oil stopped, demand for the American dollar — i.e. the petrodollar — would drop like a rock.

  149. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    Up to a horses’ saddle would be about 5 or 6 feet

    • Replies: @bluedog
  150. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Do they have big herds of cattle in Colorado? I don’t know. People who live in both states all claim that the Colorado topsoil landed in Kansas.

  151. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    Like it or not the AG industry always rises to meet demand. It’s partly those kind of operations that made it possible to feed an increase of 4 billion people in 48 years.

    Potato processing is interesting. One or 2 times a day they flush out the pipes and machinery and get a lot of bits and pieces. They are made into instant mashed potatoes tater tots and those Macdonalds hashed brown things.

    The subsidies are nothing unique to the US European farmers get as much. The ancient Egyptians had AG subsidies

    • Replies: @bluedog
  152. Vidi says:
    @Avery

    Simon challenged Ehrlich to choose any raw material he wanted and a date more than a year away, and he would wager on the inflation-adjusted prices decreasing as opposed to increasing. Ehrlich chose copper, chromium, nickel, tin, and tungsten. The bet was formalized on September 29, 1980, with September 29, 1990 as the payoff date. Ehrlich lost the bet, as all five commodities that were bet on declined in price from 1980 through 1990, the wager period.] (from Wiki)

    The bet was in 1980, eh? With the Soviet Union gone, the U.S. could loot the world without resistance. I think that “freedom” explained the low commodity prices better than Julian Simon’s claimed abundance. Too bad Simon died not long after winning that bet; he would have to eat his words today.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  153. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    You’re lucky you don’t live near a pig farm. Even just 10 or so. A big operation would be unbearable.

    With the American endless appetite for potato chips and French fries potato operations must be very profitable.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  154. @nsa

    It’s the number that were saved because Japan surrendered after the dropping of the second bomb on Nagasaki. The war had gone on long enough.

    Revisionists tell themselves fairy tales about what moral giants they are. The US Military understood all too well from the island fighting that an invasion of Japan with high probability meant high US causualties.

    The decision to drop the bomb can only be understood by trying to comprehend the mindset…a highly stressed national mindset …in America from 1941-1945….not from the comfort of a University Library like Gar Alperwitz had the luxury to do…..

    The Revisionists just don’t think the war had gone on long enough….”We gotta save Japanese babies!!”…How many more White Working Class Families like the Sullivans had to have all their sons wiped out by the Japanese Imperial Military?

  155. @Anonymous

    Probably taking orders at the Drive-Thru window, they seem to prefer to employ only semi-coherrant speakers for that job.

  156. @Biff

    Liberty is probably a better word. Having the liberty to speak your mind, associate with whomever you wish, having the means to defend your person and property etc… pretty much the original purpose of the now under-threat Bill of Rights.

  157. @Jeff Stryker

    I used to live in 90049, one of the wealthier zip codes in the US. When I called a china plate on his Birthday recently (he still lives there) he told me of people living in tents under the 405 freeway on Wilshire Blvd. It’s hard to believe, but there are others who I’m still in touch with who used to earn 6 figure incomes and who now subsist on a couple of lowly paid part time jobs. It saddens me to hear this as the US was good to me and I have some very good memories of the way things were not so long ago.

    • Agree: bluedog
  158. Vidi says:
    @Vidi

    With the Soviet Union gone

    Oops, I meant “with the Soviet Union clearly in trouble”.

  159. anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Wrong. Unz doesn’t posit himself as a public utility.

    Social Media does.

    Try again.

    • Replies: @Avery
  160. @War for Blair Mountain

    Looks like you learned your history in the US school. My condolences.

    Nuking Japan had nothing to do with the war with Japan: it was ready to surrender w/o any nukes. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked and hundreds of thousands of people, mostly civilians, as well as some American POWs, were murdered to impress uncle Joe, i.e., to scare the shit out of him. He had formidable conventional forces, and the US elites were afraid that he would take more than they were ready to allow him. It might have had practical sense, but it certainly was a war crime by any definition of that term (same as firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo, My Lai massacre in Vietnam, “liberation” of Fallujah in Iraq, “liberation” of Raqqa in Syria, etc.).

  161. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/08/17/bomb-that-killed-scores-of-children-in-yemen-was-us-supplied/

    I think you might find the Yemeni are going to set the Saudi deserts and everything else in SA afire.

    Saudi Arabia has been killing the Yemeni kids, wives and love ones by the hundreds each day, and
    has generated a resolve in the nearly naked Yemeni tries that promise to produce a means to destroy all humanity within Saudi Arabia. The Yemeni have been coming on stronger each day, their technology amazing and their resolve renders them unstoppable.

    I cannot imagine Americans granting approval to the USA or to any one working under color of the USA permission or clearance to do, or to associate with those who, so such deeds outlined in the above link. It is beyond belief?

    https://friendsofsyria.wordpress.com/

  162. @Quartermaster

    LOL. The US Neo-liberal entity is headlong into the process of rotting from within, Quartermaster Zog- hence its aggressiveness and desperation.

  163. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    Franco’s Nationalism was not ‘White nationalism’. No European nationalism is ‘White nationalism’. ‘White nationalism’ is exclusively the nationalism of the WASP.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  164. Seraphim says:
    @Dave from Oz

    The British police seems to have discovered where the ‘agent’ was prepared. In the public toilets of Salisbury. Its effectiveness was reduced by to much (or less) piss in the mixture.

  165. @Anon

    “Standard Jewish myth”

    You’ve lived (Or spent time) around Jews in your life. You’re either a Muslim foreigner whose antipathy is political (Probably) or less likely, you’re from a city or town with no Jews at all. I’m sure of it. So you wouldn’t know what their myths are.

    Jews are an urban and geographically-specific population who don’t really know (Or care) about the rural or exurban whites fixated on them. This is the brutal truth. Jews have no opinions of poorer whites outside the cities of import on the East or West coast any more than you care about Inuit in Alaska.

    “Don’t raise their children in inner-city Detroit”

    No white does. Even Eminem is not from inner-city Detroit. You could not even walk down the sidewalk in broad daylight there.

    “High school dropout white trash”

    You’ll run into them everywhere. The campus pot dealer “Scott” was a good example. Scott was from Detroit and family were poor Kentucky transplants. His father was a truck-driver who abandoned the family. He grew up and sometimes on welfare in a poor neighborhood. He began smoking pot every day in the 7th grade. He dropped out of high school and ran away from home at 16. He got a Mexican girl pregnant and had a daughter at 20. Fleeing child support he supported himself minimum wage jobs and selling marijuana. Finally at age 23 he stabbed somebody and received 3 years in prison. He ended up living in trailer with his mother.

    That’s typical of poor whites. They make 3 mistakes-low educational achievement and early parenthood and minor records of arrest.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  166. Erebus says:
    @Anon

    In #18, I explicitly brought eyesfrontmen’s musings on population increase back to Iran.

    Having apparently missed that part, you galloped off on a tangent. That may be interesting in itself, but here only if you can show how your points are relevant to the topic at hand. Otherwise, you’re uninteresting at best, or trolling at worst.

  167. Avery says:
    @anonymous

    {….posit himself as a public utility.}

    What the heck does “posit himself as a public utility” mean?
    Show me one announcement or one piece of PR release from _any_ one of the Social Media private enterprises – take your pick – that says they ‘posit’ themselves as a public utility.
    Until US Congress steps in and declares any one them a Public Utility* they are an unregulated private enterprise.

    Try again: ‘posit’ another argument, let’s see how that works.

    btw: about thems public utilities.
    I have to use the one and only water supplier in my city, because there can be no other.
    I have to use the one and only gas supplier in my city, because there can be no other.
    I have to use the one and only electricity supplier in my city, because there can be no other.
    That is why they are public utilities and are regulated to some degree.
    You don’t have to use Youtube, or Twitter, or whatever.
    Lots of people don’t.
    They live fine just the same.
    Lots of people even drop out of Facebook or Twitter or….because they find it sucks up enormous amounts of time on useless pursuits. But try living without water, or gas, or electricity.

    ______________
    * Congress should, by all means. But until it does……..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  168. @Anon

    “Elite college town”

    I think the median income of Ann Arbor, a city I have not lived in since I was 19 years old, is something like $60,000 a year.

    My own father made only $50,000 a year in the 1980′s when I was old enough to remember his salary.

    If you think that is “elite” than you must be Leatherface dancing on a country road with a chainsaw as the sun rises over rural America.

    I’ve known a FEW whites (Including a Jew) who were from the middle-class but ended up poor white trash in Ann Arbor.

    The Jewish guy was the son of a community college professor. He became a Jeff Spicoli type stoner early on in school. Maybe middle-school, 14 or so. I think he did some time in juvenile detention but he did graduate from high school. At any rate, he was a coke head by 18 (This being 1993 before meth hit) and sold some marijuana. His Dad did not exactly come to his rescue. He was living away from home at 18.

  169. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete

    Great comments as usual, Jacques, but you are dealing with a fuck*ing idiot(War for Blair Mountain), so…

    Anyway, re ZUSA’s war on Japan:

    How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor by Dr. Robert Higgs

  170. @AnonFromTN

    Of course, you don’t think the US should have gone to war against Japan…and this is the underlying view of those of you here who oppose the dropping of two nukes on Japan.

    • Replies: @Herald
  171. Seraphim says:

    Americans created themselves the conditions which would make impossible any ‘regime change’ by internal revolution in Iran as an unintended consequence of their ‘change of the regime of the Shah’ (their own creature). The Shah was becoming to chummy with the Russians, whose drive towards the Persian Gulf (the ‘dream’ of Peter the Great!) was supposed to ‘ contain’ and cold with Israel, and took steps with Saddam Hussein to solve the irritant of the Kurdish problem (the ‘kind of second Israel’). Oil of course was looming large under the stage. The CIA which created the SAVAK, now permitted the creation of the whole repressive system of the ‘Niruyeh Moghavemat Basij (“Mobilisation Resistance Force”) the real backbone of the ‘Islamic continuing Revolution’, which they believed would ‘contain’ Russia and become a springboard for the ‘Islamic Revolution’ in Russia (Khomeini ‘invited’ Gorbachov to embrace Islam!). It was a blunder that only highlights the abysmal lack of real political culture of the exceptional nation (can’ tell Austria from Australia).
    But they still believe that they can bring ‘regime changes’ at their whim. They managed to alienate Turkey, their ‘container’ of Russia, by fomenting revolution and coups d’etat, only to push Turkey in the full embrace of Russia.

  172. @L.K

    I should warn you…that this “fucking idiot” has had this debate before with the WW2 revisionists on Unz Review….It didn’t go very well for the revisionist last time. Go google the comments…

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @skrik
  173. @nsa

    Life is never tough for a moron.
    I always found the coincidence that Asias largest catholic church was destroyed very interesting.

  174. salvadore says:

    @ Dagon Shield

    Everyone knows or should know that Iran and its people would be devastated by an all out attack by the US armed forces and anyone who thinks otherwise, is an arrant ignoramus and a fool to boot too!

    Right. For example how Afghanistan and its people, including the Taliban (cavemen with rifles) has been devastated and defeated by all out war by the US Armed Forces for 17 years now. Has anybody heard of Vietnam?

  175. @L.K

    Already in 1946 Beard showed how since 1932 FDR prepared war
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    Germany’s ‘aggressive Lebensraum policy in the thirties’, what is Higgs talking about ?
    Japan:
    Lt.-Comdr. Tóta Ishimaru, I.J.N., ‘Japan must fight Britain’, written in 1935, UK 1937 shows how the Japanese mind already in the mid thirties.
    Why all this in Japan ?
    After admiral Perry in 1843 with force opened Japan to foreign trade Japanese realised that only by adopting western technology it could remain independent
    William L. Neumann, ‘America encounters Japan, From Perry to MacArthur’, 1963, 1965, New York
    Yukichi Fukuzawa, ‘De poorten gaan open’, 1978 Amsterdam (The Autobiography of Fukuzawa Yukichi, Tokyo 1934, 1899)
    Not having much resources itself Japan was forced to imperialism.
    Japan in fact did not behave differently as N Korea and maybe Iran, just having the same military technology could save Japan from USA domination.
    As to FDR’s war with Germany, in my recollection this already began in the Atlantic in early 1940, after Churchill ended the phoney war with his intended occupation of neutral Norway and Sweden.

    • Replies: @L.K
  176. @War for Blair Mountain

    Robert J.C. Butow, ‘JAPAN’S Decision to Surrender’, Stanford, 1954
    A often minute by minute account how the Japanese emperor, with risk to his own life, ended the war;
    The two atomic bombs, AND the destruction of the Kwantung Army by the USSR did the trick
    Why the USA dropped the bombs, anyone’s guess.
    The bombs in itself did not make much of an impression in Japan.

  177. @Anon

    ” The numbers killed in Germany in 4 years instead of 5 days of bombing have been hidden by Britain so well it’s difficult to estimate. ”
    Two million is the estimate.
    That the bombing of Germany harmed GB more than Germany, and that this bombing lenghtened the war, is even less known.
    The official post 1945 British investigation into the bombing came to the conclusion that the harm to GB and to Germany of the British bombing was equal, however, the RAF’s bombing expert is of the opinion that the bombing by the British harmed GB more than Germany
    Solly Zuckermann, ‘From Apes to Warlords, an autobiography, 1904- 46’, London 1988
    Peter H. Nicoll, ´Englands Krieg gegen Deutschland, Ursachen, Methoden und Folgen des Zweiten Weltkriegs’, 1963, 2001, Tübingen ( Britain’s Blunder, 1953
    Nicoll lost both his sons as crew in the bombing, he writes ‘maybe it is good that they died, so that they were spared the realisation after the war what they had been doing’.
    Deighton’s novel with the probable title Bomber, cannot find the title right now, a horrible accurate description of the bombing, horrible to German civilians, horrible to the crews of the British long range heavy bombers, that Germany did not have.
    One may also read
    Martin Middlebrook, ‘The Berlin raids, R.A.F. Bomber Command Winter 1943-44’, Londen 1988 1990

  178. @Colin Wright

    Leaving out three quarters of what is known, ignoring all of what is highly probable (a.k.a. conspiracy theories, at least until the archives are opened) — et voilà, a wonderful worldview.

    The only thing that saved you morally despiccable murderous clowns from utter destitution (you’re headed for it now and you know it, that’s why Trump got elected) was a temporary ban on importing cheap labour, hence the unprecedented prosperity of the american working class for a few decades.

    That is changing now.

    Thank Reagan for it, among others, and read up the story of the air controlers’ strike, it is highly instructive. And then think long and hard whether murdering dark skinned babies will solve any of your problems.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  179. @Seraphim

    The people who espouse the stuff about Jews are not “WASPS” at some country club in Cape Cod or New Hampshire of the Bush variety.

    They are whites who at best are lower middle class.

    When your job can be stolen by an Indian out of the jungles of Central America you are not a WASP who shoves real estate or works as a financial analyst.

    If your drug of choice is crystal meth or heroin patches, you are not a WASP.

    If your drink of choice is “Night Train” you are not a WASP.

    If you are 20 when your first child is born and get married at a registrar office, you are not a WASP.

    If you want blacks sent back to Africa because you live in Section 8 with them, you are not a WASP.

    If your closest female relative considers doing nude lap dances a legitimate job, you are not a WASP.

    If your first BJ was from your sister, you are not a WASP.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  180. @Anon

    I can tell you right off the top that the whites with the biggest hard-on towards Jews will not be some Irish-Catholic like Sean Hannity from NYC or Mario Cuomo or even an Iranian-American living in Los Angeles.

    The whites that resent Jews the most will not be the whites that live in the same zip code (Even German-Americans like the Trumps, despite all the talk of WWII).

    Nope, the whites that really are obsessed with Jews will have quite a low median income and live in somewhat smaller population centers.

    • Replies: @gT
  181. I.M says:
    @Che Guava

    “This leaves a question that the Saker is not raising. Are the Skripals in some kind of long-term confinement by the UK govt.?

    For sure. They are under some kind of house arrest, although fully recovered from the poisoning.

    Strange.”

    I don’t find it strange at all, in fact the only strange thing about this is that people are still debating the issue, as far as i can see it’s a closed case. The Skripals were drugged by some kind of chloroform like substance, abducted and are now being kept exactly as you say, in some kind of confinement or in some far off corner of the world where none can find them.

    The idea that they were actually attack with “Novichok” or whatever was decisively discredited when they didn’t die and made a full recovery. The idea’s that it “was a a bad batch” or “low dose” or whatever the fuck was used to rationalize away was also discredited when the deaths of some random people were attributed to the “novichok” several weeks later.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  182. Cities are dying. They went from absolute necessity to being a parasites.

  183. Seraphim says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    My point was that the situations in Europe are not predicated on the Blacks vs Whites paradigm.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  184. @jilles dykstra

    Like all Revisionists, you are engaging in Monday morning quarterbacking. The Emperor would not agree to the US terms of surrender. Moreover, the fierce resistance of the Japanese on the various Isalands in the Pacific left no doubt in the minds of US war planners that thousands of US soldiers would die in an invasion of Japan.

    Two nukes were dropped on the Japanese….the war was finally over. The intent was to end the war as quickly as possible.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @jilles dykstra
  185. bluedog says:
    @Anon

    For sweet corn or ground corn that just just about equal to today’s corn,raised a number of varities of the old Indian corn and they were all very productive…

  186. bluedog says:
    @Anon

    Its plan to see you know little of potatoes for these are bred strictly for two things storage life ( the one big grower said he sold the last of his last years crop in August just ahead of the coming crop) and ease of chipping for chips and fries,if you were to take these and try to use them for table stock,dried potatoes,etc you would simply end up with a pot of gluey starch,much of our potatoes come from South America and other countries…

  187. bluedog says:
    @Anon

    Chips and fries must be loosing their appeal, for I see the biggest grower (2300-2500 acres) is now being run by suits from Wise who they are under contract to, I also noticed the acreage of all the growers (they are all in under contracts to Wise who funds their operation) were cut considerable from normal years, as much of their potato land was either worked up and left barren or planted into oats and sweet corn.And lol I hear you on the hog operations, but then again if you lived beside a dairy operation with all their liquid manure and chemicals you would say the smell are much the same..,.

  188. Grumbler says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    War, I think you are missing the point. “Native Born White Christian” teenagers were not going to die in an invasion of Japan because there was no need for an invasion with or without the bombs. It was just a matter of days before the war was officially over. The bombs were completely unnecessary.

    • Agree: bluedog
  189. Grumbler says:
    @Anon

    War, I think you are missing the point. “Native Born White Christian” teenagers were not going to die in an invasion of Japan because there was no need for an invasion with or without the bombs. It was just a matter of days before the war was officially over. The bombs were completely unnecessary.

  190. Grumbler says:
    @Anon

    Anon, the war was already over before the dropping of the bombs, it was just a matter of days anyways.

    In fact, after the two bombs the US bombed Japan with conventional fire bombs which caused more death and destruction than the nukes. One could argue that that fire bombing had as much to do with hastening the end of the war as the bombs. Either way, an invasion of Japan was not going to happen.

    I can see the argument that “a bomb is a bomb” to an extent. One nuke v thousands of bombs is just a matter of efficiency, sure. But nukes have changed things far more than any other weapon ever. So I think there is a big fundamental difference.

    But I would argue there is no fundamental difference in the mindset of those who order and carry out the dropping of either.

  191. Anonymous[666] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Show me one announcement or one piece of PR release from _any_ one of the Social Media private enterprises – take your pick – that says they ‘posit’ themselves as a public utility.

    Can do, utility denier.

    One should be able to access Twitter anywhere, on any platform, and the interface should be instantly usable. So said Twitter CEO Dick Costolo in outlining the company’s vision for its future at the Mobile World Conference in Barcelona, going as far as to compare the service to running water.

    “It needs to be water. It’s instantly useful. It’s simple. I don’t have to re-learn how to use water,” he told the audience. “It’s always present.”

    Twitter As Utility, Like Running Water? That’s Goal, Says CEO

    https://searchengineland.com/twitter-as-utility-like-running-water-thats-goal-says-ceo-64803

    You’ve been schooled.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @anonymous
  192. schrub says:

    Sanctions? Answer a question of mine. Which country has benefitted most as a result of all the sanctions that the US has imposed over the last few decades?

    Israel of course.

    An example: Israel and its lobby used their massive influence to get the US government and its European flunkeys to impose strict sanctions on Iraq starting during the Clinton years. These sanctions continued on during the years of Bush the Retarded and partially continue today. These sanctions directly led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, mostly children and the elderly. (Madeline Albright later said that the sanctions were “worth it.” )

    But which country was the first to violate these sanctions by selling things like foodstuffs and drugs in Iraq (at grossly inflated prices of course), mostly to the Iraqi elites?

    You dunce! Israel of course.

    During the Iraqi sanctions, Israel managed to get a virtual monopoly on the sale of all sorts of needed items like fresh eggs in Iraq. There was any number of other essential items that could only be obtained by the Iraqi elites through Israeli sources because of the sanctions.

    The American government, as usual, turned a blind eye to this bit of Israeli skulduggery and deliberate sanctions busting.

    The Israelis ended up making bundles of money because the sanctions that they had originally pushed for. Clever huh! And you wonder why most Jews consider goyim as more than a bit slightly dumb.

    Every country now being sanctioned by the US and its flunkey allies has probably already been visited by Israelis who will then describe to its officials just how Israel will be able to replace the various inbound sanctioned items or to dispose of outgoing agricultural or industrial production on the worldwide market, Unfortunately this will be done at grossly inflated prices for the inbound items and much lower prices for the outbound items.

    Most of these visitors will, curiously enough, have some sort of peripheral or direct connection to the group Chabad which is also infamous for its massive, international, money laundering activities.

    Israel’s national motto should truly be “We bust sanctions”. They should put this motto on their flags.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @NoseytheDuke
  193. @Grumbler

    No I’m not missing the point. You are engaging in Monday morning quarterbacking. Japan did not agree to the US terms of surrender. There was enormous enthusiasm to continue fighting in the Japanese Military and among the Japanese People. And don’t forget the ongoing resistance by the Japanese Military on the Pacific Islands. Dropping two nukes on Japan put an end to this…thereby saving saving the lives of American teenagers in the Pacific.

    Someone mentioned the Butow book…some of you should actually read it…for it provides enormous documentary deatail of the scale of Japanese resistance to ending the War.

    The moral obligation of Roosevelt-Truman administration was to the young American soldiers dying in the Pacific and their Native Born White American Parents such as Mr. and Mrs. Sullivan…not to the Japanese Civilian Population….

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  194. Che Guava says:
    @I.M

    Agree, and thank you. Although I would expect that their confinement is somewhere in the British Isles, far-flung corner to me, maybe not to thee.

    • Replies: @I.M
  195. bluedog says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    You have that ass backwards don’t you for Japan had offered to surrender a number of time’s thru the Swiss, and of course it was not the emperor who tried to surrender but the military and other officials of the Japanese government,the only hitch was when they even replied to those offers were that the Emperor would be tried for war crimes which the Japanese refused as we knew they would.You should really read the two volume set “The Rising Sun” both very well documented and taken from the Japanese records,both military and government,as the one poster posted the bombs were dropped to impress the USSR as Truman said when his generals urged him not to drop them as Japan was already beaten,’no we want Russia to see our new toys, that way they won’t ask for so much’,such a shame a very,very small man in a very big house.!!

  196. @War for Blair Mountain

    I always admire people who know what went on without informing themselves.
    Read
    Robert J.C. Butow, ‘JAPAN’S Decision to Surrender’, Stanford, 1954
    F.W. Deakin and G.R. Storry, ‘The case of Richard Sorge’, New York, 1966

  197. L.K says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Bwahhaha, thanks for the laugh, clown!

    You have already been totally destroyed with facts just in this thread.

    You really are a complete idiot!

  198. skrik says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I should warn you…that this “fucking idiot” has had this debate before

    Warn away. IF you had some ‘killer’ argument, THEN where is it? Why make us wait? Your ‘squillion death’ argument is what’s known as an hypothetical: IF the US invaded Japan THEN expected casualties could be quite high. But not only is your atrocity propaganda as vile as you can make it, not only is your ‘squillion death’ argument an hypothetical, it was never going to happen, exactly because ‘the Russians were coming!‘ – the event was already scheduled for the 15Aug’45 [Truman wrote in his diary "Fini Japs when that comes about"]. Then, try this quote:

    It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender… My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and that wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

    QED

    Errata: Earlier, I wrote 3 target cities, it was 4 – and, of course, the *least* militarily significant within assigned bomber’s range = with the *highest* proportion of civilians.

  199. @War for Blair Mountain

    ” And don’t forget the ongoing resistance by the Japanese Military on the Pacific Islands. Dropping two nukes on Japan put an end to this… ”
    It did not

  200. Avery says:
    @Anonymous

    A nonsense marketing hyperbole.

    Far from being a public utility.
    Public Utility is when you have no other choice: you have to have it to live in a modern society, as I schooled you with the examples of municipal water, natural gas, and electricity.

    You don’t _have_ to have access to Twitter or Youtube or Facebook, as I schooled you with the fact that people quit those platforms all the time, and live just fine.

    Try living without running water, or heating gas, or electricity in your dwelling for a week or two.
    And thus school yourself what the difference is between a real public utility and an imagined one.

    Tweet. Tweet.

  201. L.K says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Hello Jilles,

    You wrote: “Germany’s ‘aggressive Lebensraum policy in the thirties’, what is Higgs talking about ?”

    Indeed, that part is nonsense… but he makes many important and solid points re how the US forced Japan into war.

    Cheers

  202. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @schrub

    one day they ( Israelis) will remind the Muslims how they helped the Iraqis when none would , how they risked American German British wrath and put their country at risk . !!!

    That is the way they work. By selective reporting selective focusing selective misinterpreting and interpreting .

    They even might add the narrative ” Just 70 years ago, Israel came to existence despite tremendous opposition by US State Department , by British opposition and German attempt to wipe the Jewss out ”

    The Israeli will add:” But Israel and diaspora Jews did it because it was right thing to do”

  203. @jilles dykstra

    Do you realize that in making that statement that a justification could be made for something worse than dropping two nukes on Japan? And that far worse option would have been the mass starvation of the whole Japanese Population…you know…Genocide….

  204. @L.K

    It wasn’t that difficult to force Japan into war….I am glad that Imperial Japan was destroyed…So were the Russians and the Koreans…and the Australians and New Zealanders who were well aware of what happened in Manchuria…

  205. Herald says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    No where near as clear cut as you imply. Many who oppose the nuking of Japan maintain that Japan was already beaten and was seeking to surrender prior to the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

    Surrender was not acceptable to the US, until it had had the chance to demonstrate the power of its new weapons. This show of force was meant to give the the US the upper hand in dealing with the Soviets in the post war world. The deaths of 200,000 or so civilians were important as they emphasised the terrible effects of these weapons.

    The first use of atomic weapons was in itself an horrific act. That this first use was on the civilian infrastructure of a beaten and defenceless enemy makes it all the more shameful.

  206. anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Herald

    Trumanchan was most benevolent master, only mildly spanking Japan with nukes, instead of permanently destroying it by importing ultimate weapon to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  207. anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    why would anyone NEED to Twitter anytime anywhere?

    Mankind lived for > 15000 years without Twitter.
    Can’t go more than 4 days without water.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  208. Russians were taking back the Kiril islands, and probably they would go much further south if not for bombs. Truman made a strategic decision. And of course even Truman was curious “how that damn thing worked.”

  209. @Herald

    ‘…the civilian infrastructure of a beaten and defenceless enemy…

    Leaving aside the larger issue of whether dropping the bomb at all was justified, one oft-overlooked fact is that Hiroshima was a relatively legitimate target.

    It was the major port for shipping to China, Korea, and Manchuria — where most of Japan’s military assets still were. Moreover, civilians had been partially evacuated. The net result was that Hiroshima’s actual population on August 6th was about 30% military personnel.

    This wasn’t bombing Dresden. It was bombing Essen. If one is to grant that it’s permissible to bomb cities in the first place, Hiroshima was a fine choice.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  210. gT says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “the whites that really are obsessed with Jews will have quite a low median income and live in somewhat smaller population centers”

    You have perfectly described blokes like Henry Ford and Mel Gibson.

  211. EugeneGur says:
    @Colin Wright

    The net result was that Hiroshima’s actual population on August 6th was about 30% military personnel.

    Yes, but somehow the victims were to a large extent Japanese teenagers, who were brought to the city to help fight fires. There were also many schools in the area. Some military personnel.

    • Replies: @skrik
  212. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @Tulips

    despite the US Constitution declaring that treaties are the supreme law of the land

    In context this reads:
    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    This sentence is often misconstrued by people who lack a solid perspective of American history. In historical context these treaties were treaties with native American nations. It meant the federal government not the states had the right to make such treaties.

    Extremist Neocons in their little echo chamber have recently claimed that this passage overrides congress, and the US is legally powerless to modify treaty agreements regarding copyrights, patents, and global warming among other things. In context it simply places treaties at the same level as other federal law.

  213. c matt says:
    @The Alarmist

    Not sure we would want to see QM’s cleavage, so I am thankful for that.

  214. c matt says:

    the Iranians might underestimate the level of hubris, arrogance and stupidity of the US leadership and mistakenly conclude that since an attack on Iran makes no sense and the US cannot “win”, such an attack will therefore not happen.

    This gets my vote.

  215. @Herald

    Herald

    I’ll recommend three books that do serious damage to the revisionist point of view:

    1)The Butow Book that somebody already mentioned…

    2)The book by Richard Frank…

    3) and the book by a Hiroshima survivor who is now a Berkeley emeritus professor of Russian History…..Syotoshi Hashimiga?

    To repeat what I have written before….actor Eddie Albert’s film footage…. shown in theaters all across America……of the bloated bodies of Native Born White American Teenagers floating off the beaches of Iwo Jima…Guadalcanal…Tarowa…made it a hundred percent certainty that Japan was going to be nuked…

    Princeton Professor John Wheeler who figured out the liquid droplet model in the 1930’s which was the physical model for the nuclear bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki regretted to the last day he took his last breath on this Planet that he didn’t push for the development of the nuclear bomb much earlier…for if the nuclear bomb had been developed much earlier and dropped on Nazi Germany his younger brother would not have been killed in action at the Battle of Monte Casino in Italy….

  216. @gT

    Why WOULD Gibson dislike Jews? Lord knows not only have Jewish directors and producers transformed a former Australian juice factory worker into a huge star, but he has more money than 90% of the Jewish population.

    Don’t you think he is a little ungrateful?

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Robjil
    , @gT
  217. L.K says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Keep pushing this tired old debunked ZUS propaganda, we’ll keep telling the truth about these horrific ZUS war crimes.

    https://original.antiwar.com/henderson/2006/07/31/remembering-hiroshima/

    Start with this shocking quote – shocking because of the source:

    “Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why the Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan and to end the war within a relatively short time. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.”

    The author of the above quote: J. Samuel Walker, chief historian of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.[2]

    But what about the idea that the Japanese would fiercely resist an invasion of their main islands? It is one of those myths that have come about with few apparent facts to support it. The various military men who were close to the action were quite confident that the Japanese had been so thoroughly bombed and their infrastructure so thoroughly destroyed that there was no need for the atom bomb. The literature is rife with quotes to that effect.

    Why is it that when people talk Hiroshima and Nagasaki today, the standard response from defenders of the decision is that dropping these bombs saved hundreds of thousands and, in some versions, millions, of American lives? The reason is that some of those who had most favored using the bomb, or who had gone along with the decision, participated in a highly successful attempt to craft history.

    If you find yourself making claims about all the American lives saved and about the Japanese intransigence in the face of certain defeat, as I used to, you can probably thank McGeorge Bundy, Henry Stimson, and James B. Conant. But if you want the facts, read pp. 448-497 of Alperovitz( The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and the Architecture of an American Myth).

  218. L.K says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff, you are a TROLL spamming this and other threads with BS.

  219. @War for Blair Mountain

    Wheeler and Bohr figured out the consequences of the Liquid Drop Model=fission=BOOOM!!!

  220. I.M says:
    @Che Guava

    Your welcome. I do recall something to the effect that they would be taken away ‘somewhere’ i think the U.S was mentioned though i can’t remember exactly where i read it. I wouldn’t really know what the reasoning would be i.e. if they’re taken somewhere where the RF can’t find them or some such.

  221. @War for Blair Mountain

    if the nuclear bomb had been developed much earlier and dropped on Nazi Germany his younger brother would not have been killed in action at the Battle of Monte Casino in Italy….

    The destruction of Monte Cassino by the British was an act of sheer treachery.

    Mark Clark’s activities in Italy– of which, battles at Monte Casino were a part — that cost the lives of so many Allied soldiers and sailors, were treacherously planned by FDR in consultation with Bernard Baruch, to gain US control of Italian airbases in order to finish off terror bombing of German cities and civilians, and to wrest from the British control of the Mediterranean.

    So maybe the great god of war and of justice struck down John Wheeler’s brother as punishment for the evil that men — and John Wheeler — did, in creating such an evil weapon.

  222. Robjil says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Mel Gibson was upset about the Israeli 2006 invasion of Lebanon. Israel, for doing the invasion, and Israel firsters, for supporting the invasion, should have been denounced. Mel, for not supporting it, should have been applauded. If we lived in a rational, ethical, and logical thinking world this would have been so. We don’t. We live in a world of 500 BC Jerusalem values. Since the west likes being in 500 BC so much, perhaps to save our planet, it should move on to other city in 500 BC and take its values, perhaps 500 BC Athens.

  223. Robjil says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The British and American firebombing of over hundred city centers in Germany and other parts of Europe, and the American firebombing of Japanese city centers and their nuclear bombing of two large Japanese cities, should be considered horrendous war crimes. Attacking civilians in wars or at any time should always be considered a war crime.
    At the recent World cup, British fans sung the WW2 British firebombing song. They did not think though what they were singing about. It was not a glorious thing to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in fire bombs and destroying a thousand years of history in over hundred large towns. This type of thinking if carried on into sports would involve fire bombing stadiums to “win”. The logic of firebombing civilians does not make sense for any war or at any time or place. It is illogical, immoral and cruel. There was no good reason for it.

  224. peterAUS says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    If I were you I’d stop trying.

    Firstly, I agree with you. Bombs were necessary from the US point of view. The leadership of the time made that decision very carefully. All well researched and documented.

    People disagreeing with you don’t care about that. They approach that from either “USA bad” point of view, or, that “moral” point of view.

    The later is of the same type as protecting great whites. It’s……..”right”…. thing to do. Surfer/diver/swimmer here and there being eaten alive doesn’t matter.
    You try to use hard arguments; all they need to say is: it was “wrong”.
    Sounds familiar?

    It’s just funny seeing that…ahm…method on alt-right site.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @EugeneGur
    , @anon
  225. @gT

    ‘…You have perfectly described blokes like Henry Ford and Mel Gibson.’

    I’ll give you Henry Ford — but is it a matter of Mel Gibson being obsessed with Jews, or Jews being obsessed with Mel Gibson? Mel just seems to ignore them as much as possible.

  226. @Robjil

    You can be certain hat Christian Russia has a nuclear bullseye on major population centers of the US….with very good reason:as a deterent…Is this immoral? You see context is everything…

    WW2…The options for the US:

    1)Don’t go to war against Japan

    2)Go to with against Japan

    If 2)…How would you fight the war and defeat the enemy as quickly as possible…drop food packages on the Japanese Civilian Population?

    Truman had an obligation to US Soldiers and their parents to end the war as quickly as possible….which he did….

    • Replies: @Robjil
  227. @bluedog

    What are you saying? That a war isn’t coming with Iran or that it’s coming and nothing unseemly is going to happen to Iran and its people… speak up!

  228. Robjil says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Wars should be fought between soldiers not at civilians. It is immoral to attack civilians. If one wants wants to fight wars on this tiny planet then there should be no attacks on civilians to “win”. That is the way it should be, otherwise give up on these stupid war games on this tiny planet. Wars are games like sports games. No one attacks the spectators in a stadium to “win” in a sports games.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @joe m
  229. @schrub

    Interesting too is that the oil that ISIS shipped out of Syria via Turkey was being on-shipped to Israel at a much reduced price per barrel.

  230. @peterAUS

    I can see why it would never occur to you that there are many people here who are simply moral and fair minded.

  231. peterAUS says:
    @Robjil

    ….Wars are games like sports games…..

    This gets “CRAZY of the month” award….. hands down.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  232. Seraphim says:
    @Herald

    If you cut the crap of the ‘Native Born White American Parents’ shedding crocodile tears for their ‘Native Born White Christian Teenage Males’ mangled on the Iwo Jima beaches, you’ll come to the realistic explanation of the bombs.
    Americans tried to force Japan’s unconditional surrender before the entering of the Russians into the war (the Potsdam Declaration was and ultimatum threatening “prompt and utter destruction” of Japan in case of non-compliance, signed only by the United States, Britain, and China without the Russians who were not at war with Japan). They signaling their willingness to ‘end the war’ before USSR joined the war. The capitulation would have meant the occupation of Korea and Manchuria by the Americans, a thing that Russians would not have accepted.
    Stalin understood what ‘prompt and utter destruction’ meant. He actually knew, very likely before Truman told him casually told him. That’s why he just smiled and joked when Truman announced him that America has the atomic bomb, not because ‘he didn’t grasp the importance of the discovery’. They were sure that Stalin would ask more questions about it, but they were left scratching their heads why Stalin failed to show any interest. The announcement was intended to impress Stalin and show him that Americans have the means to stop the Communist take over of the World. Actually Stalin said laughing that ‘he was glad to hear it and hoped they would make good use of it against the Japanese’.

  233. skrik says:
    @EugeneGur

    Oderint, dum metuant

    Carthago delenda est

    “They [the later sources of Suetonius and Cassius Dio] accuse Caligula … They state he sent troops on illogical military exercises,… and, most famously, planned or promised to make his horse, Incitatus, a consul,[111][112] and actually appointed him a priest.”

    They [the US-voters] via the electoral college, elected Trump as president.

    Trump appointed Nikki Haley to the United Nations and John Bolton as national security adviser. They [plus others in 'the team'] all threaten Iran delenda est.

    What’s this to do with the price of fish, I hear muttered? A: Easy; this article is “No War and No Negotiations” re Iran. As someone above did; for “Carthago” substitute:

    Yugoslavia ’99.
    Afghanistan.
    Iraq.
    Libya.
    Syria.
    Ukraine.

    So…should the “intervention” create, in Iran, the same outcome as in ANY of the examples above, all good

    We can go backwards; adding Vietnam, Korea and Japan.This establishes ‘a trend,’ otherwise known as a modus operandi.

    Notice that the US war on Japan proceeded from the [sorely provoked] Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the attack on Vietnam involved a [confected] Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the attacks on Afghanistan++ were ‘predicated’ on 9/11 [= inside job black psyop which killed ~3000 'own people']. More modus operandi. Needless to say, lots of lies on the purported ‘goodies’ side, like ‘Saddam has WMDs,’ say.

    So what of the ‘excuse’ that the A-bombing was needed, to ‘save US boys lives?’ Of course we could expect ‘inaccuracies.’ Consider, for example

    actual population on August 6th was about 30% military

    Wiki:

    Casualties and losses
    Hiroshima:
    •20,000 soldiers killed
    •70,000–126,000 civilians killed

    Nagasaki:
    •39,000–80,000 killed
    Total: 129,000–226,000+ killed

    Only Hiroshima lists a military component; 20k soldiers vs. 70,000–126,000 civilians = 22% – 14% military.

    An explanation for this could be that yes, 30% were military, but concentrated around the docks which were ~6km from where the ‘peace memorial’ now stands, explaining why the great majority of victims were civilians. It was, in fact, the desired result:

    The Target Committee dismissed talk of giving a prior warning or demonstration of the bomb to Japan. Parsons had persistently rejected suggestions of a noncombat demonstration: “The reaction of observers to a desert shot would be one of intense disappointment,” he had warned in September 1944. Even the crater would be “unimpressive,” he said. Groves shared his contempt for “tender souls” who advocated a noncombat demonstration. When the meeting ended, the committee had no doubt about where the first atomic bomb would fall: on the heads of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

    QED

  234. gT says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Nope, but I think he has enough brains, just like Henry.

  235. EugeneGur says:
    @peterAUS

    Bombs were necessary from the US point of view.

    Of that I have not a slightest doubt. Many things are necessary from the US point of view: destroying countries, murdering thousands, if not millions, starving other countries into submission via sanctions, whatever. But since when the US point of view is the measure of all things?

    They approach that from either “USA bad” point of view, or, that “moral” point of view.

    Actually, the US is the one that pushed the “moral” point of view more than anybody else with regard to other countries, and no one uses cheesy emotion-stirring pictures more than the US media. Do you recall the outcry about poor little civilians of Aleppo? The girl Bana crying all over the Internet in perfect English? Tiny babies ripped from their incubators in Kuwait? Americans just don’t like when the same criteria are applied to them.

    You try to use hard arguments; all they need to say is: it was “wrong”.

    In case of either Japan or Germany, the US doesn’t even have the excuse that they were fighting for their own survival, because they weren’t.

    Indeed, a combination of “war” and “moral” seems like a nonsensical one. However, even within the framework of a war, some actions are considered more heinous than others. Among them are deliberate targeting of civilians as the means of subjugating the country. After all, that’s what the German Nazis were accused of. I do not believe it is possible to deny that’s precisely what the US has done on many occasions.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  236. Robjil says:
    @peterAUS

    In reality that is all they are. A big version of sports games. No one should being attacking the spectators in real war games or in sports games.

  237. peterAUS says:
    @EugeneGur

    Indeed, a combination of “war” and “moral” seems like a nonsensical one.

    It is.
    More intense the war is, less of morality we can find there.

    …some actions are considered more heinous than others. Among them are deliberate targeting of civilians as the means of subjugating the country.

    True.
    Heinous but necessary.

    In this particular case US top decision makers spent quite some time and effort to make that decision. In my view, a correct decision. Do 99 % of people here, or anywhere, agree with me or not I really don’t care.

    Debating that I’ll pass. Done that here a couple of times so far. Have better things to do. Like fishing.

    Besides, plenty of material available for minority really wishing to know all about that.
    Majority is just engaging in their online therapy anyway.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Begemot
    , @yurivku
  238. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Back to topic, re “intensity”.

    The objective here is to do remove Iran as a player in M.E.
    Mullahs step down and some more, say, “responsive”, regime for USA comes up, no “intervention”.
    That doesn’t happen—-> intervention.
    Start either as direct attack or support for some internal dissent. Probably both. No need to regurgitate that again, seen plenty of times so far.

    Intensity, morality and nukes ……

    If Iran pulls its defense as, say, Yugoslavia, the US (with allies) will simply use the same method, slowly increasing destruction of infrastructure until Iran is, effectively, put 30 years back. Note: the regime in Belgrade relented because they recognized first signs of that coming.
    Both USA and Iran declare victories.

    Iran escalates….USA escalates.

    Somebody pulls massive attacks on US/Western facilities in M.E. we could see carpet bombing of major cities in Iran. Re Yugoslavia: carpet bombing was used against Yugoslav defense forces in Kosovo and Taliban in Afghanistan.

    Somebody pulls a “weapon of mass destruction” in USA mainland, well, I think we could see a tactical nuke on Tehran and a couple of other places.

    And anything in between.

  239. Uncle Sam says:
    @Jake

    The WASP Elites… The WASP mentality. What are u talking about? The WASPs long ago, in acts of monumental stupidity, gave away their considerable power to their Jewish populations. Otherwise, we would not be in mess that we are in.

    The Anglo-Saxon West is effectively ruled by these Jewish usurpers. It will take a Caesar, Napoleon or a Hitler to rectify this situation. It cannot be done under the so-called “democratic system” which in practice is nothing but a plutocracy

    Jews love plutocracies because with their money they can manipulate and dominate plutocracies. Take money out of politics and Jewish influence will diminish greatly.

  240. Begemot says:
    @peterAUS

    ” [I] Have better things to do. Like fishing.”

    And so you should. I suggest fishing full time.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  241. peterAUS says:
    @Begemot

    Well, thank you, but not really.
    “Everything in moderation”. You know, the law of diminishing returns and such.

    More importantly, though, a man has to try, at least, to contribute to a wider society.

    My posts in this thread, for example, serve a good cause. Those needing online therapy (say, 80 % percent here, at least) a focus to do their sessions.

    Like you, for example.
    That comment helped you offload a bit of frustration imposed on you by……ah,well, not important. Long list there, most likely.
    Felt good. That’s important.

    Longer moral outrages are even more beneficial. They both offload that frustration and give a poster that warm feeling of moral supremacy. True online healing session.

    It’s even better when a couple of you get together. Like a group session. Stuff like that.

    Everybody wins.
    I exercise my right to free speech (while it lasts) and you guys can do the healing.

    What’s not to like?

  242. @Seraphim

    Your view of the HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN WORKING CLASS MAJORITY of WW2 era America is the White Liberal-White Leftist canonical viewpoint…The viewpoint of the Rootless Cosmopolitan Filth….So now we know what you vermin really think of the Sullivan Brothers and their grieving parents:The Sullivan Brothers were feces and therefore…not worthy of consideration….

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @L.K
  243. Seraphim says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Do you mean that the war was the war of the ‘White Christian Working Class’ against the ‘Japes’? Or a pleasure cruise in the exotic Pacific Islands? Or that Roosevelt was a ‘rootless cosmopolitan filth’ and not a man who did so much for the ‘white working class’, for the UMW? He made heroes out of the Sullivan brothers.

  244. yurivku says:
    @peterAUS

    In my view, a correct decision.

    You are f*ken bastard, as well as those you’re trying to justify.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  245. @anonymous

    why would anyone NEED to Twitter anytime anywhere?

    Because it makes you better than other people. Duh.

    If you have to ask the question, you’ve already lost.

    I have Twitter on my phone. Never use it. But, you know, just in case. I’m thinking of following Donald J. Trump. How do I follow you?

  246. @yurivku

    Lighten up, you goofy Russian. A week ago you came back to let everybody know you abandoned writing here. You were doing so well, don’t give up, just put in a little more effort.

  247. @Johnny Rico

    He is not Russian, He is Romanian.

    • Replies: @yurivku
  248. @Haxo Angmark

    The Saker is wrong for multiple reasons:
    1. Straits of Hormuz and $200 barrel of oil will bring everything to a head for western nations.
    2. Israel has no depth, unlike Iran and can be ravaged even if Iran is nuked.
    3. This will lead to third world war and willingly or unwillingly, China and Russia will be forced to ally with Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah, and maybe even Turkey.
    4. The Persian Gulf monarchies will change direction mid-stream
    5. The tail that wags the Dog will not allow it. It will seek other ways to neutralize Iran.
    6. Shias, unlike other muslim sects or other religions are taught from young age that submitting to tyranny is despicable.
    7. Without boots on the ground, which will be highly unlikely as the dog tail wagger will not send soldiers to shed blood and the sheikdoms with their own shia populations suddenly getting shy, the empire will be left with no covering.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  249. @War for Blair Mountain

    You are a despicable. And the Japanese dead were in pristine condition?

  250. @Quartermaster

    The Saker is wrong for multiple reasons but america will not attack because it knows it cannot win and so does israel and Iran. Nukes are not an option, when the cowardly atomic bombing of japan took place, just the US had them and they did it to intimidate the soviets. Those days are past.

  251. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    US National Security Advisor John Bolton claimed that Washington has an opportunity in terms of negotiations as Russia is “stuck” in Syria.

    US President Donald Trump’s national security adviser warned Wednesday that Washington will respond “very strongly” if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad uses chemical weapons in an offensive to retake Idlib province.”

    Now Idlib has just got 1st batch of gas from Bolton’s keister. Can you smell it?

  252. L.K says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    You come across as a race obsessed nut…

    BTW, given what you have written here, it is fair to say you are NO real Christian.

    Maybe you should convert to Judaism, it suits you better…

  253. peterAUS says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Well, that comment was for me, so I’ll disagree a bit.

    The character’s comment (if we can call it that) helped him to express his moral outrage, even anger……somewhere. Gave him focus to offload that feeling. And, no harm done. That outburst simply went into void. Internet I mean. Digital electronics bits and analog electronics waves…stuff like that.

    Imagine if that bad vibe had gone somewhere in “real” world. Like into a wife, kids (oh my), or his employees. Not good. What if he works in some important service and makes a mistake? Not good.

    So, he has his session ,FREE, here which helps him and people around him to keep trudging along their lives.

    He even feels good about himself (well, for a couple of minutes only because the real life clamps again), but still, good.

    Unz, Saker and guys like me provide a very important service Intern wise. Venting. Healing, even.Well, for 80 % of commenters here, anyway.

    2 %, tops, read and/or post to get informed and/or learn something.

    People.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  254. skrik says:
    @peterAUS

    Repeating your therapist’s words to you, as if others may suffer the same as you do is a) projection but worse b) exactly what trolls do – so no surprise and wishing you a speedy recovery. Clearly, “moral outrage” is not within your ken; like all psychopaths: No sense, no feeling. Perhaps you could spare us your snide responses and return to topic?

  255. yurivku says:
    @Johnny Rico

    A week ago you came back to let everybody know you abandoned writing here

    I won’t ask you what to do, just “shut up and go out” (c) Williamson. And when I’ll see a f*cken bastard I will let him (and you) to know that.
    Is it not too complex for you dumb american ?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  256. yurivku says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    He is not Russian, He is Romanian.

    Looks like a voice from Albania. You certainly know this region.

  257. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    “(….) China and Russia will be forced to ally with Iran”

    Wishful thinking. That won’t happen. Unless you believe in this big lie of cold war 2, otherwise you should know that Russia is controlled by the same force that controls America. Putin’s best friend is the King of Israel. If Russia can help Israel to destroy Iran, she will do it. Secretly but she will do it.

    China is only interested in making money. After destruction of Iran, China will be allowed to make some money “helping” in reconstruction of the country.

    Iran is alone. Let’s just hope that she has “something”… “That” only “that” will impede Israel to order its dog (the USA) to attack Iran. “That” and only “that” can save Iran. Certainly not Russia or China.

    If Russia was an independent country, we would know by now.

  258. @peterAUS

    Stop it right now.You seriously underestimate your importance. We consider you to be a God.

  259. joe m says:
    @Robjil

    Can’t you even fathom the DEPTH this World War went? Just to be short, the Axis wanted to dominate and take over the world. The US her Allies and Russia needed ALL possible methods and capabilities to defeat the Axis. What would have happened, in your opinion, if God forbid, WE LOST? Can you even imagine the brutality that Japan would inflict on the losers? If you did, then you and all the naysayers wouldn’t emit a sound as to why we, the US and her Allies agreed to drop the bomb. My uncle fought in the Solomon Islands, never mentioned the horrors of war, and he might not have survived the war if it hadn’t been shortened.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Robjil
  260. @yurivku

    Lol. I love messing with you, you goofy bastard.

    • Replies: @yurivku
  261. peterAUS says:
    @joe m

    Can you even imagine the brutality that Japan would inflict on the losers?

    Doubt it. It’s all about “bad Americans”. And Brits, Aussies and Kiwis. Canadians too. Bad Anglos I mean.

    What those characters don’t want to realize is, if the land invasion had happened many more Japs would’ve died.
    Doesn’t matter. Bad Anglos…..

    And, if the blockade had been imposed then resulting mass starvation of population would also have caused huge loss of life. Doesn’t matter. “Bad Anglos” crime.

    Bottom line, if you wish to get how those characters think just take “bad Anglos” as the main premise. All the rest just flows from there.

  262. Robjil says:
    @joe m

    The war was about destroying nations independent of the US/UK/Judea (now Israel). The same group rules the world today. The mantra of our age is ” Seven nations to destroy for the 911 false flag”. Deut. 7.1-2. is where this idea comes from. We are ruled by 500 BC primitive fanatics. If National Socialist Germany, Imperial Japan and Mussolini’s Italy were left alone. They would have been similar to Franco’s Spain. Nat. Soc. Germany created a barter system that worked. This infuriated the Rothschild banking system running the west more than anything at all. The British/ American bombing of civilian centers throughout Nat. Soc. ruled Europe was a horrible immoral war crime that killed millions of civilians and destroyed a thousand years of history. The Americans did the same things in Japan plus the nuclear bombing of two large cities. The middle east is going through the same routine this days. The 911 false flag was so horrible and immoral. One can’t think of anything more vile than that. It is being used as a hammer to destroy our planet. Solving 911 by Christopher Bollyn names the real people who did it. We are living in the same world as WW2. The same games are going on.

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  263. Avery says:
    @Robjil

    {The British/ American bombing of civilian centers throughout Nat. Soc. ruled Europe was a horrible immoral war crime that killed millions of civilians and destroyed a thousand years of history}

    And of course Nazi invasion of Soviet Union was a highly moral act of kindness.
    Nobody was actually killed, despite vile Soviet propaganda.
    The ~15 million Soviet civilians (overwhelmingly Slavic peoples) and ~10 million Red Army soldiers died of natural causes between the summer of 1941 and around May of 1945.
    Very strange natural phenomenon.
    Act of God or something.

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  264. yurivku says:
    @Johnny Rico

    You are a good example of modern american dumb creature – immoral impudent ignorant asshole.
    Just as your POTUS and his surroundings.

    The only thing which can prevent american kill couple of millions civilians it’s a danger to get punch in the face, just like in case with Russia. You are proved cowards without a drop of morality.

    But never mind, you still having lots of US asskissers like this Croatian peteraus. Let him continue kissing.
    so bye.

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  265. Robjil says:
    @Avery

    I agree that was wrong too. The ZWest and Soviet Union sparked up Nat. Soc. to attack the Soviet Union. The ZWest and the Soviet Union did not want a strong Germany. The goal was to destroy Germany. Germany left alone would have be fine for Germany and world. WW1 and WW2 did not need to happen. WW1 was to get the Balfour. Knock out the Ottomans. Take Palestine. WW2 was to get Israel. Six million of Jews in trouble mantra was going on since 1923. WW2′s destruction of Europe and the mass movement of millions of Europeans would make this mantra believable. Hitler should have not uprooted the Jews. It made this mantra easily manipulated. Galileo’s world of the earth following the sun was overturned. For the past 70 years, the earth has been revolving around the big Six H and Israel. No one can deny or talk bad about either. Jail time, unemployment or ostracism is what one gets in our faux free world if one dares to speak outside what is “allowed’ on either one.

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  266. @yurivku

    Lol. You get even funnier when you get angry. I have no idea what you are sputtering about. Prolly the vodka. But it is hilarious. Keep it up.

    Please don’t tell me this is an act or that you are this angry all the time. It’s too much. Your inability to articulate in English is near perfect.

    You make UNZ great.

  267. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    I meant to say the Six million Jews in trouble mantra since 1823 and not 1923.

  268. jgarbo says:
    @Anon

    Come on, the whole US political is even lamer than WWE. Trump is the next off-the-shelf POTUS, defective model but workable. His rants and Exec orders are dismissed by his handlers, his rallies a tawdry charade of paid rednecks, his policies out of Avengers comics.His Trade “tsar”, Navarro, is an idiot whose knowledge of trade is zero. Better to discover the nefarious legislation passed by the real rulers, while the rabble were waving flags.

  269. @Jeff Stryker

    Don’t kid yourself- plenty of people (myself included) dropped out of your pathetic brainwashing factories you call “schools” – went to work for themselves and never looked back!

  270. Saker, why dont you just follow Khamenei’s speech which is far simpler than your over complicated analysis? His logic is very simple. Here is he jest of it.

    There will be no war
    There are two sides to every war. Us, and them. We wont start a war.. for centuries we have not started wars. We have been in wars though, to defend ourselves…and we have done so with all our might. The other side is the US- it wont wage a war cuz they know full well that any war would end in their loss (not defeat) a hundred percent.

  271. ‘Iran’s Reply: No War and No Negotiations’

    That seems sensible. On the one hand, a war with us would be disastrous for Iran. On the other hand, there’s no point in negotiating with someone who feels free to simply disregard any agreement he reaches.

  272. ‘…That Iranian ability to prevail in the most terrible circumstances is also the most likely explanation for why there has not been an overt attack on Iran for the past four decades (there have, of course, there has been plenty of covert attacks during all these years)…’

    I dunno about that. Israel’s not bothering to make her attacks covert any more. She just mounts air strikes on Iranians whenever she feels like it.

    To an extent, the war is already under way. It’s just that Iran has yet to fire back.

    Prepare to puke when she does. It’ll be either ‘unprovoked aggression’ or ‘terrorism.’

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