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Europe: My honor is solidarity!

“That tells you all you need to know about the difference between modern Britain and the government of Vladimir Putin. They make Novichok, we make light sabers. One a hideous weapon that is specifically intended for assassination. The other an implausible theatrical prop with a mysterious buzz. But which of those two weapons is really more effective in the world of today?”.

(Boris Johnson)

Let’s begin this discussion with a few, basic questions.

  • Question one: does anybody sincerely believe that “Putin” (the collective name for the Russian Mordor) really attempted to kill a man which “Putin” himself had released in the past, who presented no interest for Russia whatsoever who, like Berezovsky, wanted to return back to Russia, and that to do the deed “Putin” used a binary nerve agent?
  • Question two: does anybody sincerely believe that the British have presented their “allies” (I will be polite here and use that euphemism) with incontrovertible or, at least, very strong evidence that “Putin” indeed did such a thing?
  • Question three: does anybody sincerely believe that the mass expulsion of Russian diplomats will somehow make Russia more compliant to western demands (for our purposes, it does not matter what demands we are talking about)?
  • Question four: does anybody sincerely believe that after this latest episode, the tensions will somehow abate or even diminish and that things will get better?
  • Question five: does anybody sincerely believe that the current sharp rise in tensions between the AngloZionist Empire (aka the “West”) does not place the Empire and Russia on collision course which could result in war, probably/possibly nuclear war, maybe not deliberately, but as the result of an escalation of incidents?

If in the zombified world of the ideological drones who actually remain in the dull trance induced by the corporate media there are most definitely those who answer “yes” to some or even all of the questions above, I submit that not a single major western decision maker sincerely believes any of that nonsense. In reality, everybody who matters knows that the Russians had nothing to do with the Skripal incident, that the Brits have shown no evidence, that the expulsion of Russian diplomats will only harden the Russian resolve, that all this anti-Russian hysteria will only get worse and that this all puts at least Europe and the USA, if not the entire planet, in great danger.

And yet what just happened is absolutely amazing: instead of using fundamental principles of western law (innocent until proven guilty by at least a preponderance of evidence or even beyond reasonable doubt), basic rules of civilized behavior (do not attack somebody you know is innocent), universally accepted ethical norms (the truth of the matter is more important than political expediency) or even primordial self-preservation instincts (I don’t want to die for your cause), the vast majority of western leaders chose a new decision-making paradigm which can be summarized in two words:

  • “highly likely”
  • “solidarity”

This is truly absolutely crucial and marks a fundamental change in the way the AngloZionist Empire will act from now on. Let’s look at the assumptions and implications of these two concepts.

First, “highly likely”. While “highly likely” does sound like a simplified version of “preponderance of evidence” what it really means is something very different and circular: “Putin” is bad, poisoning is bad, therefore it is “highly likely” that “Putin” did it. How do we know that the premise “Putin is bad” is true? Well – he does poison people, does he not?

You think I am joking?

Check out this wonderful chart presented to the public by “Her Majesty’s government” entitled “A long pattern of Russian malign activity”:

In the 12 events listed as evidence of a “pattern of Russian malign activity” one is demonstratively false (2008 invasion of Georgia), one conflates two different accusations (occupation of Crimea and destabilization of the Ukraine), one is circular (assassination of Skripal) and all others are completely unproven accusations. All that is missing here is the mass rape of baby penguins by drunken Russian sailors in the south pole or the use of a secret “weather weapon” to send hurricanes towards the USA. You don’t need a law degree to see that, all you need is an IQ above room temperature and a basic understanding of logic. For all my contempt for western leaders, even I wouldn’t make the claim that they all lack these. So here is where “solidarity” kicks-in:

“Solidarity” in this context is simply a “conceptual placeholder” for Stephen Decatur‘s famous “my country, right or wrong” applied to the entire Empire. The precedent of Meine Ehre heißt Treue just slightly rephrased into Meine Ehre heißt Solidarität also comes to mind.

Solidarity simply means that the comprador ruling elites of the West will say and do whatever the hell the AngloZionists tell them to. If tomorrow the UK or US leaders proclaim that Putin eats babies for breakfast or that the West needs to send a strong message to “Putin” that a Russian invasion of Vanuatu shall not be tolerated, then so be it: the entire AngloZionist nomenklatura will sing the song in full unison and to hell with facts, logic or even decency!

Solemnly proclaiming lies is hardly something new in politics, there is nothing new here. What is new are two far more recent developments: first, now everybody knows that these are lies and, second, nobody challenges or debunks them. Welcome to the AngloZionist New World Order indeed!

The Empire: by way of deception thou shalt do war

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it.

(John 8:44)

ORDER IT NOW

Over the past weeks I have observed something which I find quite interesting: both on Russian TV channels and in the English speaking media there is a specific type of anti-Putin individual who actually takes a great deal of pride in the fact that the Empire has embarked on a truly unprecedented campaign of lies against Russia. These people view lies as just another tool in a type of “political toolkit” which can be used like any other political technique. As I have mentioned in the past, the western indifference to the truth is something very ancient coming, as it does, from the Middle-Ages: roughly when the spiritual successors of the Franks in Rome decided that their own, original brand of “Christianity” had no use for 1000 years of Consensus Patrum. Scholasticism and an insatiable thrust for worldly, secular, power produced both moral relativism and colonialism (with the Pope’s imprimatur in the form of the Treaty of Tordesillas). The Reformation (with its very pronounced Judaic influence) produced the bases of modern capitalism which, as Lenin correctly diagnosed, has imperialism as its highest stage. Now that the West is losing its grip on the planet (imagine that, some SOB nations dare resist!), all of the ideological justifications have been tossed away and we are left with the true, honest, bare-bones impulses of the leaders of the Empire: messianic hubris (essentially self-worship), violence and, above all, a massive reliance on deception and lies on every single level of society, from the commercial advertisements targeted at children to Colin Powell shaking some laundry detergent at the UNSC to justify yet another war of aggression.

Self-worship and a total reliance on brute force and falsehoods – these are the real “Western values” today. Not the rule of law, not the scientific method, not critical thought, not pluralism and most definitely not freedom. We are back, full circle, to the kind of illiterate thuggery the Franks so perfectly embodied and which made them so infamous in the (then) civilized world (the south and eastern Mediterranean). The agenda, by the way, is also the same one as the Franks had 1000 years ago: either submit to us and accept our dominion, or die, and the way to accept our dominion is to let us plunder all your riches. Again, not much difference here between the sack of the First Rome in 410, the sack of the Second Rome in 1204 and the sack of the Third Rome in 1991. As psychologists well know, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Interestingly, the Chinese saw straight through this strategic psyop and they are now sounding the alarm in their very official Global Times: (emphasis added)

The accusations that Western countries have hurled at Russia are based on ulterior motives, similar to how the Chinese use the expression “perhaps it’s true” to seize upon the desired opportunity. From a third-person perspective, the principles and diplomatic logic behind such drastic efforts are flawed, not to mention that expelling Russian diplomats almost simultaneously is a crude form of behavior. Such actions make little impact other than increasing hostility and hatred between Russia and their Western counterparts (…) The fact that major Western powers can gang up and “sentence” a foreign country without following the same procedures other countries abide by and according to the basic tenets of international law is chilling. During the Cold War, not one Western nation would have dared to make such a provocation and yet today it is carried out with unrestrained ease. Such actions are nothing more than a form of Western bullying that threatens global peace and justice. (…) It is beyond outrageous how the US and Europe have treated Russia. Their actions represent a frivolity and recklessness that has grown to characterize Western hegemony that only knows how to contaminate international relations. Right now is the perfect time for non-Western nations to strengthen unity and collaborative efforts among one another. These nations need to establish a level of independence outside the reach of Western influence while breaking the chains of monopolization declarations, predetermined adjudications and come to value their own judgment abilities. (…) The West is only a small fraction of the world and is nowhere near the global representative it once thought it was. The silenced minorities within the international community need to realize this and prove just how deep their understanding is of such a realization by proving it to the world through action.

As the French say “à bon entendeur, salut!”: the Chinese position is crystal clear, as is the warning. I would summarize it as so: if the West is an AngloZionist doormat, then the East is most definitely not.

[Sidebar: I know that there are some countries in Europe who have, so far, shown the courage to resist the AngloZionist Diktat. Good for them. I will wait to see how long they can resist the pressure before giving them a standing ovation]

The modern Ahnenerbe’ Generalplan Ost

The decision, therefore, lies here in the East; here must the Russian enemy, this people numbering two hundred million Russians, be destroyed on the battlefield and person by person, and made to bleed to death

(Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler)

Still, none of that explain why the leaders of the Empire have decided to engage in a desperate game of “nuclear chicken” to try to, yet again, force Russia to comply with its demands to “go away and shut up”. This is counter-intuitive and I get several emails each week telling me that there is absolutely no way the leaders of the AngloZionist Empire would want a war with Russia, especially not a nuclear-armed one. The truth is that while western leaders are most definitely psychopaths, they are neither stupid nor suicidal, and neither were Napoleon or Hitler! And, yes, they probably don’t really want a full-scale war with Russia. The problem is that these rulers are also desperate, and for good cause.

Let’s look at the situation just a few months ago. The US was defeated in Syria, ridiculed in the DPRK, Trump was hated in Europe, the Russians and the Germans were working on North Stream, the British leaders forced to at least pretend to work on Brexit, the entire “Ukrainian” project had faceplanted, the sanctions against Russia had failed, Putin was more popular than ever and the hysterical anti-Trump campaign was still in full swing inside the USA. The next move by the AngloZionist elites was nothing short of brilliant: by organizing a really crude false flag in the UK the Empire achieved the following results:

  • The Europeans have been forced right back into the Anglosphere’s fold (“solidarity”, remember?)
  • The Brexiting Brits are now something like the (im-)moral leaders of Europe again.
  • The Russians are now demonized to such a degree that any accusation, no matter how stupid, will stick.
  • In the Middle-East, the US and Israel now have free reign to start any war they want because the (purely theoretical) European capability to object to anything the Anglos want has now evaporated, especially now that the Russians have become “known chemical-criminals” from Ghouta to Salisbury
  • At the very least, the World Cup in Russia will be sabotaged by a massive anti-Russian campaign. If that campaign is really successful, there is still the hope that the Germans will finally cave in and, if maybe not outright cancel, then at least very much delay North Stream thereby forcing the Europeans to accept, what else, US gas.

This is an ambitious plan and, barring an unexpected development, it sure looks like it might work. The problem with this strategy is that it falls short of getting Russia to truly “go away and shut up”. Neocons are particularly fond of humiliating their enemies (look at how they are still gunning for Trump even though by now the poor man has become their most subservient servant) and there is a lot of prestige at stake here. Russia, therefore, must be humiliated, truly humiliated, not just by sabotaging her participation in Olympic games or by expelling Russian diplomats, but by something far more tangible like, say, an attack on the very small and vulnerable Russian task force in Syria. Herein lies the biggest risk.

The Russian task force in Syria is tiny, at least compared to the immense capabilities of CENTCOM+NATO. The Russians have warned that if they are attacked, they will shoot down not only the attacking missiles but also their launchers. Since the Americans are not dumb enough to expose their aircraft to Russian air defenses, they will use air power only outside the range of Russian air defenses and they will use only cruise missiles to strike targets inside the “protection cone” of the Russians air defenses. The truth is that I doubt that the Russians will have the opportunity to shoot down many US aircraft, at least not with their long-range S-300/S-400 SAMs. Their ubiquitous and formidable combined short to medium range surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system, the Pantsir, might have a better chance simply because it’s location is impossible to predict. But the real question is this: will the Russians shoot back at the USN ships if they launch cruise missiles at Syria?

My strictly personal guess is that they won’t unless Khmeimim, Tartus or another large Russian objective (official Russian compounds in Damascus) are hit. Striking a USN ship would be tantamount to an act of war and that is just not something the Russians will do if they can avoid it. The problem with that is this restraint will, yet again, be interpreted as a sign of weakness, not civilization, by the “modern Franks” (visualize a Neanderthal with a nuclear club in his fist). Should the Russians decide to act à la American and use violence to “send a message”, the Empire will immediately perceive that as a loss of face and a reason to immediately escalate further to reestablish the “appropriate” hierarchy between the “indispensable nation” and the “gas station masquerading as a country”. So here is the dynamic at work

Russia limits herself to words of protests ==>> the Empire sees that as a sign of weakness and escalates

Russia responds in kind with real actions==>> The Empire feels humiliated and escalates

Now look at this from a Russian point of view for a second and ask yourself what you would do in this situation?

The answer, I think, is obvious: you try to win as much time as possible and you prepare for war. The Russians have been doing exactly that since at least early 2015.

For Russia this is really nothing new: been there, done that, and remember it very, very well, by the way. The “western project” for Russia has always been the same since the Middle-Ages, the only difference today is the consequences of war. With each passing century the human cost of the various western crusades against Russia got worse and worse and now we are not only looking at the very real possibility of another Borodino or Kursk, and not even at another Hiroshima, but at something which we can’t even really imagine: hundreds of millions of people die in the course of just a few hours.

How do we stop that?

Is the West even capable of acting in a different way?

I very much doubt it.

The one actor who can stop the upcoming war: China

There is one actor which might, perhaps, stop the current skid towards Armageddon: China. Right now, the Chinese have officially declared that they have what they call a “comprehensive strategic partnership of cooperation” later shortened to “strategic partnership”. This is a very apt expression as it does not speak of an “alliance”: two countries of the size of Russia and China cannot have an alliance in the traditional sense – they are too big and different for that. They are, however, in a symbiotic relationship, that both sides understand perfectly (see this White Paper for details). What this means in very simple terms is this: the Chinese cannot let Russia be defeated by the Empire because once Russia is gone, they will be left one on one with a united, triumphal and infinitely arrogant West (likewise I would argue that Russia cannot afford to have Iran defeated by the Empire for exactly the same reasons, and neither can Iran let the Israelis destroy Hezbollah). Of course, in terms of military power, China is a dwarf compared to Russia, but in terms of economic power Russia is the dwarf when compared to China in this “strategic community of interests”. Thus, China cannot assist Russia militarily. But remember that Russia does not need this if only because military assistance is what you need to win a war. Russia does not want to win a war, Russia desperately needs to avoid a war! And here is where China can make a huge difference: psychologically.

Yes, the Empire is currently taking on both Russia and China, but everybody, from its leaders to its zombified population, seems to think that these are two, different and separate foes. [We can use this opportunity to most sincerely thank Donald Trump for so “perfectly” timing his trade war with China.] They are not: not only are Russia and China symbionts who share the same vision of a prosperous and peaceful Eurasia united by a common future centered around the OBOR and, crucially, free from the US dollar or, for that matter, from any type of major US role, but Russia and China also stand for exactly the same notion of a post-hegemonic world order: a multi-polar world of different and truly sovereign nations living together under the rules of international law. If the AngloZionists have their way, this will never happen. Instead, we will have the New World Order promised by Bush, dominated by the Anglosphere countries (basically the ECHELON members, aka the “Five Eyes”) and, on top of that pyramid, the global Zionist overlord. This is something China cannot, and will not allow. Neither can China allow a US-Russian war, especially not a nuclear one because China, like Russia, also needs peace.

Conclusion

ORDER IT NOW

I don’t see what Russia could do to convince the Empire to change its current course: the US leaders are delusional and the Europeans are their silent, submissive servants. As shown above, whatever Russia does it always invites further escalation from the Empire. Of course, Russia can turn the West into a pile of smoldering radioactive ashes. This is hardly a solution since, in the inevitable exchange, Russia herself will also be turned into a similar pile of smoldering radioactive ashes by the Empire. In spite of that, the Russian people have most clearly indicated by their recent vote that they have absolutely no intention of caving in to the latest western crusade against them. As for the Empire, it will never accept the fact that Russia refuses to submit. It therefore seems to me that the only thing which can stop Armageddon would be for the Chinese to ceaselessly continue to repeat to the rulers of the Empire and the people of the West what the wrote in the article quoted above: that “The West is only a small fraction of the world and is nowhere near the global representative it once thought it was” and “the silenced minorities within the international community need to realize this and prove just how deep their understanding is of such a realization by proving it to the world through action.”

History teaches us that the West only strikes against those opponents it sees as defenseless or, at least, weaker. The fact that the Popes, Napoleon or Hitler were wrong in their evaluation of the strength of Russia does not change this truism. In fact, the Neocons today are making exactly the same mistake. So telling them about the fact that Russia is much stronger than what the western propaganda says and which, apparently, many western rulers believe (you always end up believing your own propaganda), does not help. Russian “reminders of reality” will do no good simply because the West is out of touch with reality and lacks the ability to understand its own limitations and weaknesses. But if China stepped in and conveyed that crucial message “The West is only a small fraction of the world” and that the rest of the world will prove this “through action” then other countries will step in and a war can be averted because even the current delusion-based “solidarity” will collapse in the face of a united Eurasia.

Russia alone cannot continue to carry the burden of stopping the messianic psychopaths ruling the Empire.

The rest of the world, led by China, now needs to step in to avert the war.

 
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  1. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:

    Its Japan’s chance to shine!

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
  2. This plan for global dominance has been over 100 years in the making and has already cost over 100 million lives so far. How likely is it for them to back off now? The Chinese are far from stupid so it will be interesting to see how they view the situation and act.

    I’ve stated previously that the people who really can put a halt to it are Americans themselves but it won’t be easy. The ideal situation would be a mass mutiny of US military personnel and the line, The Empire: by way of deception thou shalt do war should probably read, The Israeli Empire: by way of deception thou shalt do war. It would be useful to repeat this ad nauseam until it truly sinks in for US military personnel that the US is a supplicant to Israel and to understand who they will be fighting and dying for. A mass mutiny would be the best way to save their families and future.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Again, not much difference here between the sack of the First Rome in 410, the sack of the Second Rome in 1204 and the sack of the Third Rome in 1991. As psychologists well know, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

    But all three Romes were empires too filled with lies.

    • Replies: @Franklin
    , @ploni almoni
  4. China could, in a stroke, stop the trains running to and from the nations threatening Russia and favoring those nations that are not. The Belt and Road could prove to be force at work the Empire does not comprehend nor influence. Death by railroad timetable, you think?

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/mr-bernays-to-dr-goebbels-to-s-h-i-t-3/

  5. Augrr says:

    Quoting:

    “Russian “reminders of reality” will do no good simply because the West is out of touch with reality and lacks the ability to understand its own limitations and weaknesses.”

    I see the following as a typical Russian (Putin!) response to a serious US provocation – say a cruise missile that actually hits something valuable – which might cure this inability to understand reality:

    Dear US hegemon! Please take notice that on month/date we will sink your aircraft carrier XXX at 1400 GMT as a reply to your unlawful and aggressive actions. Also note that any future similar disregard for our interests will be answered in similar fashion, but without prior warning.

    That should do it.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  6. yurivku says:

    Oh, appears it’s China who should do something !

    But I think that if stupid westerners won’t wake up, – nobody will help. China is big and possibly can think that in world where no Russia, no Europe nor US/Canada are exist, some place will still be for China.

    It’s “higly posssible” a mistake, but if silly westerners will continue to munch their MSM grass their shadows will be printed on the walls of history.
    Actually they deserve to be.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  7. “Solidarity” in this context is simply a “conceptual placeholder” for Stephen Decatur‘s famous “my country, right or wrong” applied to the entire Empire.

    Kind of disappointed in the Saker here. Just like liberals, he omits the rest of Decatur’s famous toast: “Our country – in her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong. [Emphasis mine.]” Decatur was not trying to encourage amoral behavior, such as that which we now see with the AngloZionists running Washington.

    By the way, I’ve heard the Russians are now telling a joke about Boris Johnson: they’re saying he was poisoned with durachok (bonehead)!

    • Replies: @Arioch
  8. Mario964 says:

    History repeats itself. It’s the Melian dialogue again and again and again. Those who hold overwhelming power cannot stand someone who resists submitting to the First Commandment of Power: Strenght makes the Rule.

    • Replies: @Mel
  9. China, too, has been there and done that before, on its own soil, in Korea and in Vietnam.

    Today, it overmatches the US in its Near Seas and my guess is that it will choose to act there in order to open a potential second front. A credible sequence goes something like this: in close coordination with Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Hezbollah…

    1. Announce an ADIZ over Taiwan and the Taiwan Strait that excludes all military aircraft and requires permission for civilian flights.

    2. Announce that the Taiwan Strait is Chinese, permanently closed to military vessels.

    3. Announce that the entire South China Sea is Chinese, ditto.

    4. Show off a few new weapons systems to complement its remarkable missiles and its fleet of Type 055 heavy cruisers, the most powerful surface combatants afloat.

    4. Place the entire nation on a war footing (of all the world’s peoples, according to Gallup, the Chinese are the most eager to fight) and activate all radars, light up all missile launching facilities, etc.

    China’s military muscle in that area–and its capacity to sustain it–is far bigger than our media have been letting on (read the USNI papers and you’ll see what I mean. America is no match for China there. And, as Clausewitz might have said, fleets win battles but economies win wars and China’s economy is far bigger, growing faster and more capable of ramping up than ours.

    That, at least, should get everyone’s attention.

    • Replies: @myself
    , @TT
  10. @Augrr

    Dear US hegemon! Please take notice that on month/date we will sink your aircraft carrier XXX at 1400 GMT as a reply to your unlawful and aggressive actions. Also note that any future similar disregard for our interests will be answered in similar fashion, but without prior warning.

    That should do it.

    US military knows the score and what you described takes place, albeit not in this form, between Russian and US militaries. Between Gerasimov and Dunford. Both are professionals. In the end, the attack of Ghuta didn’t happen after Gerasimov’s call and it is now pretty much liberated. What happens behind the curtain–we don’t know but I am convinced 100% that US-Russian military dialog is very active.

    • Agree: aleksandar
  11. FB says:

    ‘…They make Novichok, we make light sabers.

    One a hideous weapon that is specifically intended for assassination.

    The other an implausible theatrical prop with a mysterious buzz. But which of those two weapons is really more effective in the world of today?”..’

    The Circus Clown Johnson’s choice of metaphor is actually more revealing than he might have thought…

    Yes…it seems that we are indeed witnessing an implausible theatrical prop[aganda] spiel…complete with ‘mysterious buzz…’

    And BoJo’s rhetorical question about which is more effective in today’s world ‘tells you all you need to know’…

    Yes…implausible propaganda is more effective in today’s world than chemical weapons…by a country mile…

    Your Freudian Slip is showing BoJo…

  12. Saker, you continue to live in a fever swamp of your own creation. Putin is running is mouth because he is weak. He’s created his own troubles invading his neighbors, and he got a bunch of his people killed testing US defenses and resolve in Syria. Yeah, they were from Wagner, but I think the lesson got through. What Putin is showing is just the opposite of what you are claiming. He’ll gladly take war if it will bring Russia more power. Power he is seeking for himself and his fellow thugs.

    China is trying to play the game Mao set for them many years ago, and Xi is setting his country up to become a pariah as has Putin done to his country.

    By the by, No country will avoid armageddon. Every country will be represented, and Russia and China will be there as well.

  13. Issac says:

    China has deep ties to the western empire. Russians would be drinking too deeply from their own propaganda to miss this fact. Indeed, the latest crippling of Trumpist reform was lead by heavily Chinese invested men Ryan and McConnell. Israel has a strong grip on US foreign policy for obvious reasons, but Israel has no reason to see Russia bullied into submission. China does.

    It should be plain to any objective observer of global politics that the west is internally incoherent and will wane in power by the crush weight of demographic change alone. China observes this and realizes the only long-term competitor to their ascendant position, one generation hence, is an independent Russia. Far better for the Chinese that Russia is mortally wounded or harried into Chinese vassal status before the west breaks down into a third world non-entity.

  14. Mel says:
    @Mario964

    Thank you, this is a crucial point. Recently Western statist discourse was trying to pull a different lesson out of Thucydides: that wars are caused by challenges to the dominant power. But the Peloponnesian war began because Spartans realized, we have to fight, they’re not going to leave us alone. The Melian dialogs clinched it.

  15. The real reasons for the expulsions is the revelation of Russia’s next generation war weapons. It was taken up as an invitation to fight, not to make peace, and making it as hard as possible for Russians to either influence opinion or gather information.

    Somebody wanted Skripal dead, and while it may be a useful false flag provocation, with his involvement with the Steele Dossier a possible trigger, it could be serving more than one purpose. As usual, we are assigning to the Russkies both more omnipotence and stupidity than is merited. I supoose it is our own elites who believe their omniscience in surveilling all of us means they are also smarter than the rest of us. Maybe

  16. Arioch says: • Website
    @Seamus Padraig

    And i, as Russian, don’t like this joke.
    It simplifies things too much.

    “war is a path of deceit. When you are strong – pretend weak ….”

    What Psaki-Johnson and rest are doing is playing wtupid irreality show. It is of plausible deniability. Neither them nor theu masters are boneheads. They are sharp. And th y cynically mock reality.

    As another Russian joke run:

    - You, cabal, are f…g nuts!
    - Yes, we are. So?

    Johnson is not bonehead. Thinking so is delusioning yourself and binding yourself to pathetic lose.
    Johnson is playing fool, with vicious and calculated intention

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
  17. Well said and accurate. There is no consensus among the hoipolloi with the neocon push for war. This will never come about. The west is desperate, no doubt, and will continue to beat its chest, much to its own detriment. If the west intended on war, it would have come about. Time is not on their side. The neocons have backed themselves into a corner and, therefore, must create chaos, camouflage, obfuscation, in order to bamboozle the world until they can safely go back into their holes. Most likely, they are looking for concessions. Remember the Wasserman-Schuiltz spy scandal? Remember the many deadly false flags being exposed to the public for what they are?

  18. Arioch says: • Website

    Frankly, Saker reads too much into this Chinese article.
    It is not about Russia.
    It is not because Skrypal hoax dialed ritual Russophobia over eleven.
    It just is a coincidence.

    Yet before loosing the elections Hillary was promising military war with Russia.
    Yet before winning the elections Trump was promising economic war with Trump.

    USA ruling 1% was making a strategic choice year ago.

    When Trump got elected he inherited the raging war. He could not stop it, obviously. Then he turned it overboard. He started demanding so many wars at once that USArmy got overstretched and paralized. Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Itan, Yemen, Korea, new European garrisons…. Trump send Army to prepare to war everywhere and now Pentagon can not scratch together enough forces to attack anywhere specifically.
    By his “clumsy and incompetent bravado” Trump neutralized the army, made and exposed it as incapable pretend-force.

    Now Trump can switch to his programme – economic war with China.

    And that is why Chinese diplomats and media run crazy. Now it is their war, not Russia’s. Now their tails are on the line. Now Russia mostly can move to backlines to lick wounds while China would exchange blows and collect bruises.

    This turned recent Chinese statements so bald and pushing. This, and not a concern for Russia.

    • Replies: @TT
  19. JVC says:

    something the Russians might consider—immediately cutting off all gas to Europe and restoring such service for payment only in gold or the new “petrol yuan” . Europe depends heavily on that Russian Gas, and such a move would re-align some European thinking. Replacing it with US provided LPG would take far too long and be much more expensive having to be shipped by sea

    In fact, maybe if Russia, China, the other brics and aligned countries suddenly cut off all ties to the west, it would hasten the coming economic collapse of the EU and US, and that dreamed of multipolar world would arise from the ashes.
    Better that than the ashes of a nuclear exchange I would think.

    • Replies: @poop
  20. CARLOS231 says:

    China is too smart to show its hand yet, they are building their economic & military strength quietly, they don’t want to scare the westerners yet with threats.

    Russia`s biggest weakness is the incompetent, useless leaders they had from the 80`s to Yeltsin. The mess that the USSR left behind with unstable states on its borders with no treaty to prevent NATO expansion was a huge gift to the US that just keeps giving!!

    I`ll go as far as saying this gift to the US might lead to Russia`s end as a country in its present form.

    You can hardly blame the US I mean in 1990 Russia agreed to basically throw the towel in and live in a US dominated world in practice. Whatever they say about promises at the time that lasted for as long as their breath was warm.

    • Replies: @Wally
  21. peterAUS says:

    Answers:
    Approved, not ordered.
    Yes
    No
    No
    No

    When we are on that moral play, there is another.
    • Question one: does anybody sincerely believe that Chechens planted that bomb before the Second Chechen War?
    • Question two: does anybody sincerely believe that the Russians have presented their “allies”, and the world, (I will be polite here and use that euphemism) with incontrovertible or, at least, very strong evidence that “Chechens” indeed did such a thing?

    Agree with

    Solidarity simply means that the comprador ruling elites of the West will say and do whatever the hell the AngloZionists tell them to.

    And

    Solemnly proclaiming lies is hardly something new in politics, there is nothing new here.
    we are left with the true, honest, bare-bones impulses of the leaders of the Empire: messianic hubris (essentially self-worship), violence and, above all, a massive reliance on deception and lies on every single level of society, from the commercial advertisements targeted at children to Colin Powell shaking some laundry detergent at the UNSC to justify yet another war of aggression.
    The agenda, by the way, is also the same one as the Franks had 1000 years ago: either submit to us and accept our dominion, or die, and the way to accept our dominion is to let us plunder all your riches.

    Definitely not with

    The US was defeated in Syria, ridiculed in the DPRK…the entire “Ukrainian” project had faceplanted, the sanctions against Russia had failed,

    So, after the usual “feel good” mantra, at last, a “practical” talk

    ….say, an attack on the very small and vulnerable Russian task force in Syria. Herein lies the biggest risk.
    …will the Russians shoot back at the USN ships if they launch cruise missiles at Syria?

    Agree with

    My strictly personal guess is that they won’t unless Khmeimim, Tartus or another large Russian objective (official Russian compounds in Damascus) are hit. Striking a USN ship would be tantamount to an act of war and that is just not something the Russians will do if they can avoid it. The problem with that is this restraint will, yet again, be interpreted as a sign of weakness, not civilization, by the “modern Franks” (visualize a Neanderthal with a nuclear club in his fist). Should the Russians decide to act à laAmerican and use violence to “send a message”, the Empire will immediately perceive that as a loss of face and a reason to immediately escalate further…
    Russia limits herself to words of protests ==>> the Empire sees that as a sign of weakness and escalates
    Russia responds in kind with real actions==>> The Empire feels humiliated and escalates
    Now look at this from a Russian point of view for a second and ask yourself what you would do in this situation?

    Well…THE QUESTION, for sure.
    Saker suggestion:

    The one actor who can stop the upcoming war: China
    The rest of the world, led by China, now needs to step in to avert the war.

    Doubt it, actually. Doubt it very much.

    What I believe is that the actor which can stop the upcoming war are the people in US.
    The “Basket of Deplorables”, first and foremost.
    Protests, dissent…even localized unrest and insurrection.

    I’d like to suggest something: How about RT starts a movie run?
    The first is British “Threads” and the second US “The day after”. Have panels discussing them, the usual RT thing. Hell, make even a new movie, updated for the current paradigm. Or TV show, whatever.
    That could, perhaps, take minds of US citizens from shopping and social media to, perhaps, more serious matters.

    Won’t hold my breath.

  22. Ten851 says:

    The west acts as a butcher, Putin as a surgeon, China as a hammer.

  23. How the East Can Save the West

    A couple centuries ago the phrase “The White Man’s Burden” was used to explain why citizens of Western nations must devote resources to civilize the world. Gore Vidal used “The Yellow Man’s Burden” to explain why citizens of Asian nations were devoting so much wealth to keep the USA and much of Europe wealthy. If our citizens suddenly lost 30% of their annual income due to tax increases and spending cuts needed to truly balance our national budgets, they would be outraged. They might learn that this was the result of “free trade”, which might result in revolution and wars. Those who have profited off “free trade” by selling out their citizens know its best to let the working class learn this truth slowly.

    _____________________

    Trump’s proclamation to pull out of Syria may be good news, but probably not. He hired psychopath Bolton, so we can assume the US military is just consolidating forces in Iraq to hold off attacks whilst they bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. The Iraqis aren’t our allies, they just act to get free stuff, and they will know we are not bombing Iran to save Iranians. It might be wise to get our troops out of Iraq too!

    ____________________________

    To answer:

    Let’s begin this discussion with a few, basic questions.

    Question one (thru five): does anybody sincerely believe…

    Yes, this bimbo does, and she’s the State Department spokesman. The State Department is still infected with Clinton-hysteria and uses sexy women to spin lies so the foreign press doesn’t laugh and scorn absurd BS too loudly. The American press are just stenographers and eagerly copy her lies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL9UxED4uuI

  24. The problem is that Russia ussr submitted once and the West think it can be achieved again. Hence everything must be made clear. No partners word should be used and the West must be clearly warned that violence of unimaginable level will be used if they dare and what will follow if Russian force anywhere attacked and that any use of nukes against Russia means the end of humanity. Unfortunately acting adequately and carefully Russia never was able to avoid war. It is in the books. Right now bets are life on earth hence being too careful and being perceived as weak is a bad thing. Russia imho must act boldly. Respond to USA and UK harassment by cutting diplomatic relations and giving straight terse warning.

  25. Arioch says:
    @peterAUS

    The Second Chechen War started with Chechen army invading Russia.
    I think they owed something to Berezovsky and his infamous chechen mafia, because i can find no reasonable explanation to this blunder.

    Chechnya invaded Russia and despite very poor condition of Russia back then – the numbers matters, it was overcame and taken. Just like Georgia could be taken after attacking Russian military in 08-08-08 war. Just like vast swath of Germany was taken after German invasion into USSR 1941-06-22

    Bomb? Which bomb? Who cares about bombs? LOL

  26. myself says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I think what disturbs China about this whole situation regarding the ENTIRE Western world (US, Canada, Western Europe, Australia) is not simply that it is an overreaction to Russia, but the whole idea that one particular people – the Russian people – have once again been SINGLED OUT for collective intimidation and eventually for possible dismemberment.

    China has very long and very bitter experience of this itself. In the 19th century, the imperial powers, for some reason, ganged up on China.

    In other parts of the world, the experience of other backward peoples was with but ONE particular Empire (ex. only the Americans vs the Amerinds, only the Spanish in South America, only Great Britain in India and Australia, only Russians in Central Asia and Siberia, and only Japanese in Korea. The British, French, Germans, Italians and Belgians each had separate RIVAL spheres in Africa, and ditto for South-East Asia.

    But when it came to China, ALL these competing powers set aside their differences. It’s as if they said to each other “Hey, China is so enormous and juicy, we should not fight among ourselves, there’s enough for everyone!” Unbelievably vicious.

    And now, we see the same pattern. the whole Western world against Russia. I think in this instance, the Han don’t need anyone to tell them what to think – it is 100% certain they do not approve of what the collective West is doing.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Anonymous
  27. Miro23 says:

    But if China stepped in and conveyed that crucial message “The West is only a small fraction of the world”

    They can do better than this, and explicitly state that a nuclear war with Russia is a nuclear war with China – just to make it clear – and let the US do some more realistic calculations.

    • Replies: @myself
  28. @Issac

    Israel has a strong grip on US foreign policy for obvious reasons, but Israel has no reason to see Russia bullied into submission.

    Sure they do: Syria.

  29. @Arioch

    “war is a path of deceit. When you are strong – pretend weak ….”

    Am familiar with Sun-tzu a well. But what are you saying here? That the UK is stronger than Russia. I would definitely have to disagree with that proposition!

    • Replies: @myself
    , @Arioch
  30. Miro23 says:
    @Quartermaster

    By the by, No country will avoid Armageddon. Every country will be represented, and Russia and China will be there as well.

    And how many Km2 do Russian and China have relative to Israel? The whole of Israel could be turned into a radioactive desert.

  31. Miro23 says:
    @Issac

    It should be plain to any objective observer of global politics that the west is internally incoherent and will wane in power by the crush weight of demographic change alone. China observes this and realizes the only long-term competitor to their ascendant position, one generation hence, is an independent Russia.

    Maybe, but the problem right now is the Imperial US (ruled from Israel). If it succeeds in destroying Russia, then the Chinese are irrelevant, and have nothing to say about anything.

    • Replies: @Issac
  32. myself says:

    Something just occurred to me.

    The recent THREATENED tariffs have an INTERESTING TIMING to them. It is being used by Washington to convince China to stay passive as the West takes down Russia. Conversely, if China “bends the knee”, then the West promises that the threats won’t materialize. (The West loves worthless promises).

    Washington calculates that the mere threat of tariffs will make China stand by as a neighbor is destroyed. Any turmoil in your neighbor’s house, spills over into yours whether you want it to or not. A neighbor is a neighbor, period.

    And THAT, IMHO, is why the protectionist threats are happening NOW. Don’t get me wrong, the tariffs were going to happen anyway, eventually. China, whatever it does, cannot escape them.

    But to threaten a trade war RIGHT NOW with the one power guaranteed to be Russia’s economic lifeline (we know that China couldn’t care less what Russia does in its backyard, in the Ukraine) while preparing to attack Russia itself? Well, the whole thing is WAY TOO OBVIOUS.

    And if someone like me can see, so can a lot of other people in Moscow and Beijing. Washington thinks its being “smart”, but they are so ridiculously easy to read.

  33. myself says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    No, not that UK is really stronger than Russia but appears weaker.

    It’s that the West is actually not capable of defeating Russia but loudly shouts that it CAN defeat them easily, and tries to look powerful and intimidating to Russia. In this situation, the weaker-positioned West pretends to Russia that we are stronger, and we want Russia to believe us.

    That way, it won’t come to actual war, and we think Russia will back down. It’s an extremely risky plan.

    • Replies: @Herald
  34. Miro23 says:
    @peterAUS

    That could, perhaps, take minds of US citizens from shopping and social media to, perhaps, more serious matters.

    Won’t hold my breath.

    Taking everything into account, I think the you’re right. The US public are irretrievably useless and are going to have to go the whole way, with WW3 and/or an economic collapse, with the best bet being on WW3 (which they may well lose).

  35. myself says:

    In fact, it’s very possible RUSSIA is NOT, at this time, the target of Western aggression.

    Sure, the West shall SURELY try to destroy Russia, but the urgency is not there YET.

    Maybe the real target right now is CHINA, shortly to have the world’s largest economy in absolute terms. They must be destroyed NOW!

    The West is trying to cut a deal with Russia: “Stab China in the back, and bow down to us. You can live A LITTLE LONGER, before we come for you. Otherwise we get pissed and kill you TODAY”.

    An entirely plausible master-plan from Washington, London and Paris. Also a pretty transparent one, if it’s the case.

    The problem with this “Divide and Conquer” plan, aside from being easy to read, is that it counts on both Russia and China to be dumb enough to believe they are not BOTH in the cross-hairs.

    How stupid does the West think China and Russia are?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  36. myself says:
    @Miro23

    It would have a psychological effect, at most.

    Russia has 5,000 warheads, China only admits to having around 500 or 600 strategic city-killers. They may have more, but if you don’t admit something it doesn’t count for deterrence.

    Maybe a decade from now, as China builds its arsenal, the statement could be much more effective.

  37. Mikel says:

    No, the Chinese are surely disgusted with this bullying behavior of the West (even many Europeans are, just read the comments to the news in the different media outlets) but China cannot seriously confront the West. That would make them lose trillions of dollars in exports and investments and put an abrupt end to their miraculous but still ongoing economic development. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

    The situation will continue to deteriorate until some sort of modus vivendi is reached (like at the beginning of the first Cold War). Or perhaps it’s just been too long since the last World War and the time is ripe for the next one.

    As for the Skripal murder attempt, it’s hard to imagine Putin ordering it at this time and in that manner but it’s not that hard to imagine someone from the Kremlin sewers being behind it.

    In the somewhat less likely scenario of a false flag operation, I would consider an Israeli asymmetrical response to the recent downing of their jet by the Syrians with obvious help from the Russians. They have plenty of experience in extraterritorial assassinations and more than enough knowledge to fabricate a Russian-like nerve agent.

    • Replies: @Herald
  38. Franklin says:
    @Anon

    I respect and value Saker as a commentator on Russian and military affairs. Those are his areas of expertise and professional experience. I do not value him as a historian, because there enters into his writing a clear bias. I respect the fact of his commitment to his Orthodox faith, but I don’t appreciate being almost hammerlocked into having to take a side in his prejudices. He has a way of lumping 1,000 years of exceedingly complex history into what amounts practically to silly formulas that remind one of adolescent pique. West is characterized by “thuggery,” whereas the “East,” is presumably the source–and is possibly the monopoly–of the virtues Saker has in mind, while Western-like manifestations of military violence and conquest are unknown there. And there is this pearl: “Scholasticism and an insatiable thrust for worldly, secular, power produced both moral relativism and colonialism…” This is downright embarrassing in its silliness. Of course, after deep study of Aquinas or Bonaventure the light comes on: moral relativism! Clearly, subtlety and essential distinctions are not the Saker’s strong points, to say the least, when it comes to registering his annoyance and bitterness in his 1000 year view of “the West,” whereas sweeping and frankly spectacularly inept generalizations are. One is really tempted to accuse him of a lack of intellectual integrity when it comes to these matters. At root, Saker is a highly emotional and touchy “rooter” for Orthodoxy. Fine, that’s his right, but he is no scholar. One looks in vain either for impartiality, for breadth and depth of understanding and sympathy, and hence for generosity of spirit. Thankfully, there are many great scholars of history, East and West.

    • Replies: @my2cents
  39. @myself

    In the 19th century, the imperial powers, for some reason, ganged up on China.

    That’s the opposite of reality. If they had ganged up on China, each would have taken large piece for itself. In reality, they were overawed by China, and tried to preserve it much as they tried to preserve Ottoman rule against both breakup and dismemberment by Russia. The Ottomans were too far gone, so they failed in both respects. But they did manage to prevent China’s breakup while failing to keep Russia from annexing a large chunk of Chinese territory.

    Heck, they even helped China defeat the millenarian Taiping rebels who racked up a large body count during their rebellion. Note that when the Jurchens detected internal rebellion during the Ming dynasty, they waited until the imperial armies were occupied with rebel suppression before delivering the coup de grace to the Ming dynasty. The Western powers were too tied up competing with each other to really cooperate in anything more than avenging the honor of their envoys and getting trading posts set up on Chinese territory.

    • Replies: @myself
  40. myself says:
    @Johann Ricke

    By “ganging up” I refer to the way in which China was COLLECTIVELY FORCED to extend any and all concessions granted any single Imperial Power to ALL Imperial powers. And all the Imperial powers were on-board with this policy, again as a unified group.

    For example, if Russia forced a railroad treaty on China, China by unequal, at-gun-point “Treaty” with the Eight Powers (at the time Great Britain, France, Japan, Germany, Russia, The United States, Austria-Hungary and Italy) would also have to grant EVERYONE railroad concessions in their respective zones.

    Or say if China was forced to open trade relations by America, China would automatically be forced to open trade to EVERYONE ELSE, and even the instigators in that case, the United States, would force China to do it. All in the name of the relevant Treaties, of course.

    Also by mutual agreement among the imperial powers, they would not support China in any efforts to get better terms in any negotiation with any other power. So Russia refused to, say provide support for Chinese efforts to fend off the Japanese, though normally it might have done so. This was because, both being part of the Imperial Powers grouping, Russia and Japan had agreed to co-exist in mutual exploitation of China.

    It was all designed so that China would have no ability to shift its favor diplomatically from one power to another, but had to negotiate from a position of deliberately imposed weakness. Diplomacy was the only tool available to China in that execrably weak state, pathetic as that tool was. By collective agreement among the Empires, that tool was taken away.

    In effect, exploitation of China became a COOPERATIVE project between such disparate rivals as Britain, France and Germany, or United States, Japan and Russia. Such a thing, of a coordinated desire to apportion one country among many, was not seen anywhere else in the Colonial Age.

    That is my meaning when I referred to the Empires “ganging up” on China.

  41. Issac says:
    @Miro23

    How absurd. The foremost producer of virtually all modern goods is irrelevant without Russia? A weakened Russia is a boon to Chinese expansion into their desired role as Eurasian leader state. The only irrelevant nations are in the West as their post-national suicide becomes all the more certain.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  42. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @myself

    Russia is being singled out, and is being targeted before China, because of Mackinder and the need to control the “Heartland”. Read up on Mackinder as he has a huge influence on the west.

    The empire sees Russia as the greater threat because only Russia and not China is a threat to control the Heartland and thus the world.

    This is the real motivation behind everything. It doesn’t matter that China has a larger economy. Their economy can be suffocated so long as they are denied a link to Europe through Eurasia.

    • Replies: @myself
    , @prusmc
  43. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Issac

    Ridiculous, China needs Russia as Russia is a perfect complement to Chinas weaknesses.

    In fact, neither China nor Russia could have picked a better strategic partner than each other as neither country could confront the West on it’s own but together the West cannot topple either nation.

    No other combination between countries would provide near as much synergies.

    China is not looking to expand into Russia. Why would they when they have a shrinking population. They are expanding into the SCS in order to keep their oil lines free.

    The real strategic advantage Russia and China have with each other is the OBOR. This is key to everything and is the reason why the West is targeting Russia so aggressively.

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Replies: @Issac
  44. poop says:
    @JVC

    Methinks something like this is coming.

  45. poop says:
    @peterAUS

    Thanks peterASS! Good job. Good effort.

  46. myself says:
    @Anonymous

    If Mackinder’s Heartland theory is at play, and you want to cut China off from Europe, taking down Russia would seem to be an enormous effort to accomplish that.

    There are much easier ways. Why not just lobby your European “allies” not to trade at all with China? Mission accomplished, and no war with Russia as a bonus.

    If the EU won’t follow the Empire’s orders, you need to take out not only Russia, but probably Pakistan, and all the Central Asian nations, plus Iran and Turkey. If not, and you only destroy one or a few of these, China’s One Belt One Road reaches Europe anyway.

    Also don’t forget the outright blockade of China’s maritime trade to be conducted by the U.S. Navy – kind of an act of war in itself.

    Seems far easier, if you want to slow China down, to just ORDER America’s NATO allies to stop all trade with China. The rest of the world all together won’t be able to fill the gap, not any time soon.

    Voila, you lower China’s GDP growth by some significant percentage, using just strong-arm diplomacy in Europe.

    Buys America another full decade as number one economy, maybe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. myself says:

    In the fevered dreams of Western strategists, they hope for Russia and China to turn on each other, sparing the Atlantic powers the trouble. Then, they come in and pick up the pieces.

    They hope to replicate the success of Britain in playing off France against Germany pre-World War One.

    The problem is they have in fact encouraged the Sino-Russian strategic alignment, not hindered it.

    No matter, after all, there can never be such a thing, thought the British, of a long-term common interest between France and Germany – a “European Union” will never come about. French and Germans naturally hate each other! Right?

    And how did Britain make out with that thinking?

    How will America make out in coming decades? In geopolitics, not that well. Not as long as we are short-sighted.

  48. Svigor says:

    Question one: does anybody sincerely believe that “Putin” (the collective name for the Russian Mordor) really attempted to kill a man which “Putin” himself had released in the past, who presented no interest for Russia whatsoever who, like Berezovsky, wanted to return back to Russia, and that to do the deed “Putin” used a binary nerve agent?

    All of that makes more sense than choosing the guy as a murder victim to fram Putin for…

    (Logic isn’t Saker’s strong suit)

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @Anonymous
  49. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    “solidarity”

    Those with the power, and the happily ruled, have always needed synonyms for “obedience.”

    Solidarity is a choice in line with our social-mediatic times and the related communication standards.

  50. The ideal scenario:

    The elder Skripal awakes,tells nurses he is tired of hospital;
    walks out to find nearest press mike, tells world Russia had nothing
    to do with it,just bad food at a Chinese restaurant!

  51. Herald says:
    @myself

    As well as being extremely risky it’s also bloody stupid and doomed to failure.

  52. Arioch says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    I mean, like i said above, Johnson and other western politicians are not “boneheads” (intelectually weak) as you said, no, they are smart (intelectually strong) and pretending, faking their intellectual weakness (appearance of stupidity)

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  53. Herald says:
    @Svigor

    So you think a western fit-up of Russia doesn’t make as much sense as believing the UK government’s outrageous fairy tale. I really do wonder how you have summoned up the courage to question Saker’s logic.

  54. Herald says:
    @Mikel

    “In the somewhat less likely scenario of a false flag” Less likely scenario, really?

  55. Sean says:

    Answers:-
    One and two. Proof beyond reasonable doubt does not mean there is no chance of a mistake, and the standard necessary for thinking Putin responsible is less than what would be needed for finding him guilty in a court of law. He cannot hide behind his country and diplomatic immunity while claiming the protection of British Law for evidence necessary to convict someone on trial for a capital offence.

    Three. We want nothing from Russia , for indeed they have nothing to offer. To go away and shut up is the most they can do, and that is why are sending the worst of the Russian goons back were they came from, whether they want to go back or not (they would love to stay in London*).

    Four. Punishment is essential, otherwise they will see weakness.

    Five. No chance of nuclear war or any other kind or war. Russia is destined to become the lonely old man of Europe. It has nothing anyone wants at the price of being treated like an imbecile, and our diplomats dislike living there*).

  56. TT says:
    @Arioch

    Russia & China are working closely to counter the West for existential threat, deeper & broader than what your self centered mind can imagine.

    Russia needs to save Syria for its own skin, and its last ME baston of influence. When Syria down, Israel & Saudi gas will pipe to EU & cut off Russia lucrative EU gas deal & influence. Iran will be next to attack, hence complete ME oil & gas come under US UK Fr control, which can be utilized to sabotage Russia oil export.

    China will be then blackmailed into submission for oil supply.

    Iran will be surrounded by US allied forces everywhere, fighting West moderate terrorists.

    Its existential war in Syria against West hedgmon control for Russia, China & Iran, not just propping up Assad.

    Russia has overwhelming sufficient military capability to fight US allies, backed by war hardened powerful Iran, SAA army, Hezbollah & Iraq Shiah fighters unmatched ground force.

    USM knows it can’t win such war without nuke, so it has to find either face saving exit or contented with current occupied oil rich land. It got nothing to do with Trumps stupidity to overstretch its military as you imagine.

    China has been backing up Russia with big cheque book for last few years, signing hundreds of billions deals with upfront payments to prop Russia economy for prolong war.

    Global times news mostly reflected the China think tank policy that they wish to propagate to West English speaking world. China has sensed West is hysteria tightening noose around Russia in EU foolish solitude movement with UK.

    When Russia is down, China is next, vice versa. China special force has been operating in Syria to fight terrorists. Lot of weapons ammunition supply to SAA. Lot of money pump in to sustain Syria war & feed millions of Syrians. Who else do you think is paying these bills, West controlled UN Red cross?

    Now China is largest economy & market by PPP term, with 50% w/w mfg capacity, its capable to inflict unacceptable damage to US economy in trade war. EU, Japan & Korea all have huge parts export to China for assembly, so none wanted the disastrous trade war that will suck down global trade.

    So Trumpets is blowing hot air only to blackmail China, soon it will back down as WH already delay any tariffs to after June, seeking dialogue eagerly with Beijing.

    You are just silly self centered like those Russians always throwing allies under bus, hence Russia will find it has no true ally and will forever licking its wounds alone until slaughtered by West.

    • Replies: @Arioch
  57. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @myself

    The point is not to block off China, the point is to block off China AND Russia from Europe. Also trade from other Eurasian countries is going to be discouraged unless it goes through the Straits that the West controlls, but obviously Russia and China are the big players here.

    Russia has a lot of gas and natural resources that the West and ME countries do not want going to Europe.

    And, as you said, the west has many ways of neutralizing China. So to the West, Russia is the bigger threat since either country could act as a bridge to Europe but Russia has many more paths of creating these links than China has.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  58. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    But why? Framing Putin, has worked pretty well for the UK. Such a Dr. Stranglove act is exactly what the media wanted.

  59. Arioch says:
    @TT

    Oh, we have a copypaste contest? Okay then, i’d copy here my reply at saker’s blog too.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    [MORE]

    > China will be blackmailed into submission.

    Wooop! Then it is not “existential threat” for China.
    Clash for power, clash for sovereignty, clash fo prosperity – but not for survival.

    > Russia & China are working closely

    Which does not mean China’s role is making harsh dyplomatic statements in favor of Russia. At least it was not so before today. So i think it is not today either.

    Also remember that Chinese social mindset is build upon idea of “indebting with gifts and aids” and then requesting payback when they need it.

    Which means Russia should be very wary about accepting any help from China unless it wishes to be seen by China as a deeply indebted beggar incapable of sustaining itself.
    And since diplomatic situation for Russia is not deadly critical I do not think Russia needed that newspaper article.If Russia would request China’s support of the kind – it would be in official diplomatic venues like UN.

    > Russia needs to save Syria for its own skin
    > Iran needs to save its skin

    But is it so for China? Is Chaina in critical need of sovereign and friendly Syria? I doubt it.

    > China has been backing up with big cheque book for last few years, signing hundreds of billions deal with upfront payments to prop Russia economy for prolong war.

    Which is very important, but is not diplomatic statements nor Chinese newspaper articles.

    That is exactly the Chinese role in this fight like i said many times before – economic and financial warfare is Chinese responsibility, while military and diplomatic warfare is Russian’s.

    > Global times news mostly reflected the China think tank policy that they wish to propagate to English speaking world.

    And here we are getting back to the topic. Why such a harsh, explicitly worded article did appeared today? Was it because of Russia or of China itself? Was that article reaction to some new threat to Syria, to russia, or to China itself?
    And i believe in the latter option. This article is not linked to any recent events around Russia, it is caused by Sino-American relations shift.

    > China has sensed West is tightened noose around Russia to cut it off from world, seeing from Olympic & now the Skirpal circus

    Skripal affair is much less than Olympics was. Even European states many did not jumped Skripal wagon.
    Additionally, if Russia would be “cut off from Western world” – what the West did not dared to do even in 2014 on the height of Crimea and MH17 accusations and on the ehopes of “gas station” imminent and fast collapse, so would hardly dare now just because some Skripal – but if Russia would soemhow gets politically isolated from the West, what bad is it for China? Russia would become more dependent on China, like many of the trade with West would had to go through Chinese “laundry”. China gets more influence over Russia. Russia gets much more limited in its options. Good (for China) develoment, why hurry to cancel it before Russia even asked for ?

    > Trade war will be too bloody for the world

    Yes, but the said trade war is not having Russia as primary adversary – Russian economy i not that significant to the western world, and for USA in particular it has but zero significance. The trade war we see igniting – is the war against China. China can no more be “wise monkey up the trees”, when USA moved their chaingun aim from Russia onto China. Now China is being shot at, and the article is Chinese response to China being attacked. Not to anything around Russia.

    > You are silly self center viewer

    Frankly, it is exactly the opposite here.
    It is you who claim Russia being behing that article in Global Time.
    It is me who claims Russia has no any relation to the timing and wording of that article.

    > China special force is operating in Syria.

    Maybe it is, but seems no one ever saw those operations.

    > Lot of weapons supply to SAA.

    Maybe they are, but can you name those Chinese weapons and show me where SAA is employing it?

    > Lot of money pump in to sustain Syria war,

    If they are, then China does it part of the fight, good.
    Like USA supplied money and material to fighting European states during WW2.

    However that has no relation with the Global Times article being discussed.

    > always throwing allies under bus whenever possible,

    ….because Putin is evil and just enjoys every opportunity to do bad thing. Always.
    I wish i would hear somethign remotely creative from you.

    > hence Russia deserve to be raped by West like 1990 is natural.

    Oh, i see. Yet another russophobic preaching that “Russians should repent and repay, repay, and repent”, then frustrated when Russia shrugs this lecture off.

    • Replies: @TT
  60. Vidi says:
    @Anonymous

    And, as you said, the west has many ways of neutralizing China.

    Don’t forget that China has an enormous internal market too, which in time should be larger than the U.S. and EU combined. European countries that stay out of this vast and rapidly growing market will be cutting their own throats. Good luck convincing them to do that.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  61. hunor says: • Website
    @Sean

    You with your exceptional wicked slaveholder mentality destined to go down as a biggest loser humanity ever witnessed

  62. Another thing China can do is to remind the US bloc about international criminal law, with emphasis on inchoate crimes against peace and the crime itself. Drop the name of Mei Ru’ao, China’s judge at the IMTFE.

    http://legal.un.org/docs/?path=../ilc/texts/instruments/english/commentaries/7_4_1996.pdf&lang=EF

    The CIA regime’s next war will eventuate in a choice for the Western bloc command structure: satisfaction including criminal prosecution of command responsibility, or nuclear war with severely incapacitated forces and C3.

    Break the US NCA out of their obsession with laydowns and focus their minds with the existential threat, the threat to their self-esteem: Nuremberg II.

  63. Issac says:
    @Anonymous

    You’re reading your own narrative rather than what’s in front of you. Russia isn’t going to up and blow away no matter what. Their relationship with China is a matter of course as well, though you vastly over-state the supposed synergy between the two.

    My point is that a diminished Russia is obviously no threat to China and clearly in the long term interests of China if they wish to be the chief architect and manager of the Eurasian belt of which they have become enamoured.

    Taken in broader strokes, a world in which nuclear apocalypse isn’t on the menu, due to elites favoring their own survival, is one in which the West invariably declines into obscurity due to their ruling class having no qualms about destroying their nations and states in the name of near term personal benefits. In such a world the only question is who will take the leading role of new geopolitical master.

    China is already poised for this positon, but having an assuredly weakened Russian gives them the sort of leverage they need to siphon out more Eurasian trade profits for their own geopolitical aims. Geopolitical top players don’t simply seek a sufficient position from which to bargain. They seek a position from which the results of said bargain are largely foregone.

    And this is entirely consistent with Chinese foreign policy toward the West and Russia. The former is a dead man walking with no chance of rebelling against Beijing’s economic control. The latter is a future regional partner whom they would very much like to see as a junior when the time comes for them to abandon the western financial system and asset their peerless status.

    • Replies: @utu
  64. utu says:
    @Issac

    Exactly. Very good points. China wants weaker Russia. However China can’t allow Russia to submit to the US that’s why they will be propping Russia just enough so Russia does not fold too soon. The US and China have one common objective: they do not want Russia to hook up with EU and Germany. Russia+EU would be the only third power that could challenge both the US and China. That’s why China is happy with Zio-Amercian meddling in Central Europe by playing Poland and Hungary against both Germany and Russia as the wedge between them.

    China does not trust Russia because they know how avaricious, unpatriotic and devoid of any deeper nationalist doctrine and thus how unreliable are Russian elites. They know it because they know their own Chinese elites with respect to which they must use many tools to discipline them, the tools that Russia lacks because there sis no supreme ideological authority. There in Russia nobody really knows who suppose to discipline whom and why.

    Saker as usual is naive and let his wishful thinking hijack his analytical abilities.

    • Replies: @Josecanuc
  65. TT says:
    @Arioch

    Oh, we have a copypaste contest? Okay then, i’d copy here my reply at saker’s blog too.

    No, i just wanna remind you again, Russia & China have to fight as a team, each with their best strength, Russia-military, China-economic.

    > China will be blackmailed into submission.
    Wooop! Then it is not “existential threat” for China.
    Clash for power, clash for sovereignty, clash fo prosperity – but not for survival.

    If one energy supply is been fully controlled, you are doomed.

    > Russia & China are working closely

    Which does not mean China’s role is making harsh dyplomatic statements in favor of Russia. At least it was not so before today. So i think it is not today either.

    It has very wide implication, West is able to pressure dozens of countries to bend on false flag, it will spread further to Asia & elsewhere. China will be next. Nib the bud.

    Also remember that Chinese social mindset is build upon idea of “indebting with gifts and aids” and then requesting payback when they need it.

    Since when has the West & Russians, or anyone are more kind than Chinese, giving without expectation of return of at least gratitude from a Russian like you?

    Which means Russia should be very wary about accepting any help from China unless it wishes to be seen by China as a deeply indebted beggar incapable of sustaining itself.

    Yes Russia should, there is never free lunch. But would it be better for Russia to team up with China to enjoy economic benefits at fair term with a safe South border, than getting rape by West again with another hostile South neighbor (China could join West to plunder Russia, taking back outer Manchuria Siberia land).

    And since diplomatic situation for Russia is not deadly critical I do not think Russia needed that newspaper article.If Russia would request China’s support of the kind – it would be in official diplomatic venues like UN.

    No need to wait for UK US to close all Russia embassies with global sanction like what NK get. See further my friend.

    > Russia needs to save Syria for its own skin
    > Iran needs to save its skin

    But is it so for China? Is Chaina in critical need of sovereign and friendly Syria? I doubt it.

    Sure Syria is not China concern, but for aftermath implications.
    - Stop West eastward aggression.
    - BRI node in ME
    - Uyghur terrorists
    - West control of all ME Energy supply

    Was that article reaction to some new threat to Syria, to russia, or to China itself? And i believe in the latter option. This article is not linked to any recent events around Russia, it is caused by Sino-American relations shift.

    You think in one dimensional. The warfare & alliance is moving very dynamic, Russia & China are working in all fronts together if you watch carefully. Military & energy are appetizer. Petrol Yuan & BRI are main course. Joint dev of C929 civil plane, space program, agri, ….its Eurasia century.

    Skripal affair is much less than Olympics was. Even European states many did not jumped Skripal wagon.

    who care about Olympics beside some bruise Russkies pride, Skripal false flag & 2 dozen countries expelling diplomats is full display of bizarre brute force destroying entire international norms. You need to resist before more countries succumb to West pressure. Open your narrow vision.

    – but if Russia would soemhow gets politically isolated from the West, what bad is it for China? Russia would become more dependent on China, like many of the trade with West would had to go through Chinese “laundry”. China gets more influence over Russia. Russia gets much more limited in its options. Good (for China) develoment, why hurry to cancel it before Russia even asked for ?

    You have asked yourself a good qn, why not joint the West vultures to feast on Russia bear? Sure, West aggression to Russia is godsend gift to China. But Chinese leaders think further than greedy West capitalist. Better to have strong Russia as safe Northern backyard than a Nato military threat encirclement (which Russia dream to join but too bad, rejected)

    > You are silly self center viewer

    Frankly, it is exactly the opposite here.
    It is you who claim Russia being behing that article in Global Time.
    It is me who claims Russia has no any relation to the timing and wording of that article.

    I never claim Russia is solely behind that article. Its entire geopolitical dynamic situation. If West can orchestrate diplomatic boycott of Russia, won’t China be next? When you see smoke, there is fire. When neighbor house is burning, it will spread to yours. But here you are saying, not my problem let China save its own ass until fire spread to yours.

    > China special force is operating in Syria.
    Maybe it is, but seems no one ever saw those operations.

    Open secret. Like Russia, its to fight Chinese terrorists there instead of in China. Also real war game training by Russia, too good deal to miss.

    > Lot of weapons supply to SAA.

    Maybe they are, but can you name those Chinese weapons and show me where SAA is employing it?

    It was reported in open news, Syria visited Beijing, then China announced it had old weapon contracts to fulfil..who will pay? Likely those infantry weapons, ammunition, artillery, TAW, uniform & gears, whatever construction materials…while Russia take care of high tech equip like S400.

    > always throwing allies under bus whenever possible,

    ….because Putin is evil and just enjoys every opportunity to do bad thing. Always.
    I wish i would hear somethign remotely creative from you.

    > hence Russia deserve to be raped by West like 1990 is natural.

    Oh, i see. Yet another russophobic preaching that “Russians should repent and repay, repay, and repent”, then frustrated when Russia shrugs this lecture off.

    Im Rossophile & Putin’s fan if you read my comments history. But fact is Russia did that, which is foolish short sighted. If West has offered Russia G8 on equal term + Nato, Russia won’t hesitate to throw Syria, Iran, China immediately under bus. Then be ready for another rape fantasy. The West just don’t love Russians, no matter how much she plead & give.

    If all Russians think like you, now let China get all the blows since its their trade war, so Russkies should rest & enjoy the firework, then another bigger 1990′s rape is awaiting your country.

    You have just shown Chinese what its like to alliance with Russia.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  66. Wally says:
    @CARLOS231

    said:
    “… NATO expansion was a huge gift to the US that just keeps giving!!
    I`ll go as far as saying this gift to the US might lead to Russia`s end as a country in its present form.”

    Yet it is the US who is going broke largely because of nonsense like the all-talk-no-walk NATO, not Russia.

    I suggest that Russia get’s the last laugh.

  67. utu says:

    If West has offered Russia G8 on equal term + Nato, Russia won’t hesitate to throw Syria, Iran, China immediately under bus.

    You have just shown Chinese what its like to alliance with Russia.

    China must be very cautious. They can’t trust Russia because Russia does not have its own doctrine that would be integrated with the interests of its elite. They are torn between their avarice and their pride. (see mu pervious comment)

    • Replies: @myself
    , @TT
  68. Maybe the west is capable of saving itself, from idiotic politicians, or political puppets, or both.
    German intellectuals published a statement, right now signed by over 16.000, against Merkel’s Willkommen policy for migrants.

    https://www.erklaerung2018.de/

    At the same time, Soros states that Europe has the duty to receive migrants.

    • Replies: @TT
  69. @myself

    How stupid some in the west are one sees at Plan New American Century from American Enterprise Institute.
    This 1993 plan states that the USA must subdue Russia and China militarily before they become too strong, in order to get the USA people in the mood for war the plans wants ‘a new Pearl Harbour’.
    Those behind this ideas were called ‘the crazies’ in the USA, until Bush jr, in a speech at AIPAC, as senator Hollings publicly stated in 2004, promised the war against Iraq, if he got the jewish vote.
    Miraculously, Muslim terrorists obliged, the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq followed, followed by Libia an Syria.

    Now Putin is not stupid, he knows the expression ‘domino theory’, by which the USA war in Vietnam was defended.
    The USA lost, the domino theory was disproved.
    Afghanistan and Iraq, great successes, as we see at ISIS waving flowers at the USA, and its allies.
    When next the USA tried to topple Assad Putin realised that Iran would be next, so ‘to here and no further’.
    He succeeded, Assad is still there.

    In how far the forced coalition with China helped him, I do not know.
    Our Dutch professor Laslo Maracs, UVA Amsterdam, states clearly that eight years of Obama drove China and Russia together, with as very clear sign the Peking Petersburg railway, with a gigantic land port in Khazakstan, where containers from one railway system are brought to the other.
    Travel time four days.

    The present efforts to create a war atmosphere by the west, whose plan it is, I do not know.
    A great pity is that the idiots in Brussels have joined the game, NATO, a superfluous organisation since the USSR collapsed in 1990, and the EU, crumbling, but the Brussels idiots are unable to see it.
    The EU concluded an association treaty with the Ukraine, with an explicit paragraph on military cooperation.
    We Dutch voted in a self organised referendum against this treaty, nothing changed, such is European democracy.
    BTW, the referendum law has been abolished, but we also voted against the Dutch version of the Patriot Act, but again, nothing will change.

    Now who pulls the strings in Brussels is anybody’s guess, but the recent Soros statement that Europe has the duty the receive immigrants might point in a direction.
    This statement was made just after German intellectuals published a manifest against Merkel’s Willkommen policy

    https://www.erklaerung2018.de/

    Our government, that I see as Brussels’ errand boys, just introduced great plans to stop extracting gas from Dutch soil, the resulting earth quakes force a decision.
    The obvious solution would have been to import Russian gas instead, alas former EU president Van Rompuy already said ‘that Europe must become less dependent on Russian gas’, why, he did not explain.
    In order to compensate for the Dutch gas we will be obliged in the near future to install expensive heat pumps, and it seems expensive USA gas will be imported, shipped across the Atlantic, that cannot be used without a half billion euro plant, where nitrogen gas is injected.
    And of course, for saving the planet we must be prepared to pay.
    Those producing and installing heat pumps are very enthusiastic, of course.

  70. @Quartermaster

    Gog and Magog again? You are funny, if only inadvertantly. You sound like a retired E-7 supply sergeant who reads Jack Chick pamphlets. You live near Fort Bragg or Fort Hood, and watch TV religiously.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Stonehands
  71. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Issac

    If Russia disappears into another dimension tomorrow, one week later China would be destroyed or blackmailed into surrender – and then its people destroyed anyway. This is a NWO push for One World Government and the plan doesn’t include “Chinese expansion into their desired role as Eurasian leader state” (lol).

    The problem is that China only has 200-300 nukes and that’s simply not enough. All the money and production in the world won’t mean anything if the guy across the table brought the only gun in the room. The NWO guys are prepared to deal with partial destruction of the world. They have their underground facilities and the plan to emerge and rule.

    Russian capability to end everything, forever, is the only thing standing in the way of the NWO now (hence the hysteria) so China should probably try to match them just in case. This is the world we live in.

  72. “the western indifference to the truth is something very ancient coming, as it does, from the Middle-Ages: roughly when the spiritual successors of the Franks in Rome decided that their own, original, brand of “Christianity” had no use for 1000 years of Consensus Patrum. ”

    -Please stick to geopolitical analyzes your attempt at constantly trying to inject your artificially divisive ideology is just annoying..

  73. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    I agree, its obvious that the reason for the attack on the Skripals is Putin’s speech revealing new Russian weapons. Its the USMIC and its vassals saying: “F*&k you too. Look at how we spin up the gullible sheep to believe anything we want.”

  74. I think maintaining good relations with China and Russia are in the best interests of the European sphere of influence (Europeans and people of European descent, USA etc., and the rest of The West, Japan, etc).
    The real enemy that we all face is Islam and immigration from barbaric nations. Russia and China will evolve regardless according to their own needs. They are also more effective when dealing with Islam, they annihilate Muslims. They also do not import people of African descent in vast numbers. Thus China and Russia have the advantage of not having to deal with the consequences of an open borders idiocracy (rule by idiots).
    Strong and ruthless leadership is sometimes necessary.
    It is worth noting that Eastern-European countries are the ones that are dealing with the migrant invasion most effectively and properly.
    How does the average chinese or russian look on The West? 

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  75. @yurivku

    I think Saker is onto a key issue here. It is past time for China to step up and take on international/diplomatic responsibilities commensurate with its vast economic power.
    The time is past when China can merely “tread lightly”, asserting itself only on key local issues such as the Sth China Sea.
    Russia is now bearing the brunt of the West’s insane aggression. It seems to get very little public support from other countries. The more the West believes Russia is isolated the more it will be tempted to increase its dangerous pressure on Russia.
    China will be closely watched during the up coming Nth Korea “negotiations”. I hope it “steps up” to the US.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  76. Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The problem is they never stopped shining… from Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Fukushima.

  77. Che Guava says:
    @Anonymous

    It is hard to see what you mean. Our current ruling polity is is heavily involved in what, in the West, or Russia, would be called extreme right-wing organisations.

    Also has territorial distputes with every neighbouring nation, Russia, the Koreas, the Chinas, I would go into details on it, but battery almost dead.

    Of course, Japan was playing the big role in the ’70s, laying groundwork for Nixon-Mao.

    I am not curious abt. the Anon’s idea, probably ‘glow in the dark’, but would like to hear Andrei’s.

  78. There is in fact a very simple and effective way to put a brake on this rush to hostilities. In the same way the US Congress and Western nations generally have singled out Russian individuals for sanction, with the Magnitsky Act and other measures, the Kremlin merely needs to publish a list of AngloZionist politicos and billionaires marked for annihilation in the event of war, letting them know that from now on their exact location, and that of their families, will at all times be tracked by Russia’s military intelligence, and that should there be war, their organic matter will be the first to be guaranteed a half life of some hundreds of years. After all, if the choice becomes for them one of a world without Russia or without their genetic material, even they might think twice before choosing to return to their natural state, that of primordial slime. All suggestions as to who should be included welcome.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  79. @Sean

    “Three. We want nothing from Russia , for indeed they have nothing to offer. ”
    The absurdities which some people just itch to express….Ah, the social media age ! A licence to…wank….

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Sean
  80. @animalogic

    It is not in Chinese character. Chinese being a large nation with calculator instead of heart. Basically large nation with small outlooks which is very mercantile. If they ever help it is because it is good for them. Russia has all she needs to help herself except for the system currently there and elite quality. For all the progress there is a lot that holds Russia back and it is not partners and their sanctions. It is that Russia betrayed herself her own nature back in 1oo1 and betrayal is still going on.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @peterAUS
    , @Vidi
  81. Avery says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Good points about China: all true. It is not in the Chinese character.
    Been that way for 1,000s of years of their existence.

    China is only concerned about its own neighborhood (Taiwan, South China sea,…..)
    China will fight viciously if Neocon West encroaches on its neighborhood – like fighting US during the Korean war – but will never challenge them in the Middle East, for example, like Russia does.

    { It is that Russia betrayed herself her own nature back in 1oo1 and betrayal is still going on.}

    How did Russia betray her own nature in 1001?
    What happened?

  82. SteveK9 says:

    I’ve believed that China needs to do much more to support Russia for quite a while. One move would be to send engineers and workers to Syria and start rebuilding the country. It’s too soon, but that doesn’t matter. It doesn’t require soldiers, just Chinese citizens.

  83. USSA says:

    An awful lot of these comments, including ones with imperfect, foreign-sounding syntax, run exactly down the rails of the official US state ‘realist’ principle. Russia can’t trust China, China can’t trust Russia, China and Russia want to let the other take the punishment… This is US state indoctrination in action. US state discourse has always promoted, and incited, Hobbesian war of all against all, so the US can act as arbiter by posing as protector.

    Nobody mentions the most important common interest of Russia and China: A/RES/25/2625. Russia and China are law n’ order states, and peace is the law. Friendly relations is the law. Neither country wants to live in the US realist dream world, that’s a snake pit.

    Here’s an idea: listen to what China says. Of its Five Principles, four are straight out of the UN Charter. One articulates China’s national interest. What’s that? Equality and mutual benefit.

    Now US government-issue realist doctrine forces you to dismiss statements that are legally or ethically motivated, ‘They must be lying.’ That’s because if the US said such things, it would be pure perfidy with hostile intent.

    But we don’t have to project the psycho mindset of US hostes humani generis onto every last country in the world. Morgenthau, realism’s spokesmodel, died in despair. Alfred de Zayas traveled the world and found out everybody outside the US thinks realism’s crap.

    http://www.lan.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IntOrder/Pages/IEInternationalorderIndex.aspx

    The sole irreducible conflict is as follows: Russia and China don’t want to blow shit up; that’s all the US ever wants to do. This is going to end with the extinction of the USA and a renewed American continent of smaller, saner successor states cooperating in peace. That’s what the whole world wants, and no one has a higher stake in it than the US subject population.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  84. The usual “bog them down in masses of detail” approach. China seems to be the main point. What interest has China in propping up Putin? Putin’s “Eurasian” pipedreams are as much a threat to China’s ambition to become the dominant power in the world. as they are to US attempts to keep that status for itself. Logically, therefore, the ideal scenario for China would be a US – Russia war, with the secret hope that both of its rivals would so weaken each other that China would be the big beneficiary. In addition, an independent Siberia, in which the native peoples would rule their own respective countries, whether separately or in some sort of confederation (EU-style?), would be ideal for China, which essentially wants to get control of Siberia’s resources. Finally, there’s the cultural and historical aspect. China wants to drive the white man out of Asia. The Russian Federation is the last example left where white Europeans rule over non-European people, a dinosaur from the colonial era, which is probably one of the things that all the nonsense about “Eurasia” is designed to cover up. Thus, for that “nationalistic” reason also, China would probably like to see the Russian Federation break up. China is very pleased to be seen as successfully standing up to the US and, by very definition, its ambition to be the dominant power in the world requires it to subjugate Russia. That’s the very opposite of what this and other authors have claimed to be Putin’s ambition and the author’s penultimate sentence (“Russia alone cannot continue to carry the burden of stopping the messianic psychopaths ruling the Empire”) is an admission of Russia’s defeat.

  85. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    To the author of the article:

    Its the anglos not anglo-zionists.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  86. @Philip Smeeton

    ” The real enemy that we all face is Islam and immigration from barbaric nations. ”

    Already in 2009 the EU decided that the EU needed 60 million immigrants from the ME and Africa.
    The wars in the ME, and north Africa did the trick.
    Cynical people may think that part of the plan of these wars was to get these immigrants.

  87. @Michael Kenny

    If Russia falls, China will be next.

  88. @Avery

    In my opinion Taiwan is comparable to Israel, a fixed aircraft carrier, and of course missile base.

  89. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @USSA

    no one has a higher stake in it than the US subject population.

    But not the Jews in charge of the US. They’re playing with goyim lives, like they were trained to do from an early age.

    Fortunately, the goyim are starting to wake up – again.

    • Replies: @USSA
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    , @Wally
  90. Kiza says:

    A few quick thoughts.

    It appears that Novichok class nerve agents have been produced in Edgewood facility in US and Porton Down in UK. Those two are the most likely sources of the poison used against Skripals.

    The Russians could have sent a few ships into the South China Sea for joint maneovers with 40+ Chinese ships.

    By the time of writing this, only eight European (forget about EU) countries have refused to expel Russian diplomats out of “solidarity with British criminality”, in alphabetical order:
    Austria
    Belorussia
    Bulgaria
    Greece
    Hungary
    Portugal
    Serbia and
    Switzerland.
    All other European countries are total fuckups and the quoted Slide 4 is the testament to it. But it was a nice effort by the criminal British nation to list all the false-flags of their block in one place – a perfect historical record.

    Finally, Putin is doing the right thing – sending a non-ambiguous warning to the Anglo-Zionist servant nations by showing off those non-existent Russian weapons that the Western “intelligence” knew all about, right in front of their noses in the busiest area of the Baltics: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-31/ive-never-seen-anything-it-russia-declares-unusual-missile-drill-just-miles-sweden. Try to ignore that show of force in your media mongrels. This will be an instance when the usual Western media bullshit about the Russian aggressive behaviour will be highly invited. Beautiful contrasting of British regime’s emotional pump-up crap versus the real consequences. It was so easy for the British Parliament pedophilic shitbags to vote for the attack on the disarmed Iraq, but let them vote for the same on Russia. Show us your non-existent cojones your lowest sewage of the human spices, Conservative and Labor, and vote again childfuckers.

  91. annamaria says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    ” The ideal situation would be a mass mutiny of US military personnel…”
    — The US military is heavily zionized: http://www.renegadetribune.com/truth-seeker-united-states-military-become-zionized/?doing_wp_cron=1522596830.2035839557647705078125
    The Israel-firsters took great care to remove or prevent the competent, patriotic, and principled Americans from the positions of influence. Exhibit one – Colonel Patrick Lang, a decorated Green Beret with a formidable expertise in the Middle East; Colonel Lang was intentionally isolated in the wake of the criminal ME wars by the Israel-firster Douglas Feith (a noted idiot). This is tragic.
    The US Congress is in a pocket of the Lobby as well. Same with the UK “leadership.” The British “leaders” pledge to be the passionate Zionists (see Boris Johnson) and supremely loyal to Israel ( see Theresa May). http://www.wuc-news.com/2017/09/i-am-passionate-zionist-declares-boris.html http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/219958/theresa-may-lauds-israel-slams-bds-and-calls-out-labours-blind-eye-to-anti-semitism
    Meyssan wrote a great article on the UK politics: http://www.voltairenet.org/article200375.html
    “The announced military Alliance was constituted in the form of the very secret « Little Group » [10]. All the members of this conspiracy coordinated their actions in Syria. Despite their efforts, they failed three times to organise a false-flag chemical attack in Western Ghouta, since the Syrian and Russian armies had seized their laboratories in Aftris and Chifonya [11]. However, they did manage to publish a common anti-Russian statement concerning the Skripal affair [12] and to mobilise both NATO [13] and the European Union against Russia [14].”
    The voracious banksters want Russia’s wealth by any means.

  92. denk says:

    What’s all this anglo bashing ?

    James Thomson has scientifically proven that UK is one of the most ethical country……and statistics doesnt lie !

    hhehehehe

  93. @peterAUS

    Well said! Two great movies to be watched and watched again. Given the present state of the “Deplorables”, it might be a good idea to subtitle Threads. And add Testament to the list. Then add the series Jerichoto the list. Maybe such a “film festival” would awaken a few as to just what awaits if an actual nuclear war were to occur.

    I live in the On the Beach hemisphere, but while I and mine might survive the initial onslaught also recognize that our long-term prospects aren’t favorable. An actual civil insurrection in the USA might be all that can stop further escalation. Further escalation will put not just the USA but the entire world at risk. Weigh the risk, determine the small cabal that is overweight in the balance and act accordingly against them.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @peterAUS
    , @Kiza
  94. @Issac

    ” It should be plain to any objective observer of global politics that the west is internally incoherent and will wane in power by the crush of demographic change alone. ”

    Europe is overrun by Arabs and Africans. The United States submits to the diktats of the descendants of African slaves and their white liberal allies. Chaos in the west while totalitarian China grows into the premier global power. Not a pretty picture.

  95. USSA says:
    @Anonymous

    But are Israelis the commandants here, or just the capos? There should be a natural experiment to distinguish between Zionazis making themselves useful to CIA, and Zionazis running the US. In US municipal law CIA has granted itself complete impunity and positive control over all three branches. And CIA is fine with most of what Israel might do. (Blow up the Liberty? That’s the Pentagon, what do we care? Blow up the WTC? Thanks, just what we needed!)

    When Obama made noises about enforcing the law on torture, we saw real fast who’s in charge. What might Israel do that steps on CIA toes? Until we see Israel screw CIA and get away with it, it’s impossible to be sure that Israel really runs the show. Everything we see is consistent with Israeli coercive influence, but it’s also consistent with Israel as the perfect CIA henchman – there’s nothing they won’t stoop to. That, by the way, is one of the things that kept apartheid South Africa afloat for so long. They would do anything to ingratiate CIA: germ warfare, chemical weapons, proxy wars. The alternate hypothesis is that Israel tore that page out of South Africa’s playbook.

    • Replies: @utu
  96. @Avery

    “How did Russia betray her own nature in 1001?”

    Sorry. 1991.

  97. @Anonymous

    ” … Jews in charge of the US. ”

    It would be more accurate to say “Zionists” rather than “Jews”. The vast majority of Jews in Europe and the United States have nothing to do with the Zionist conspiracy in the west. They will suffer from its affects along with the “goyim.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Josecanuc
  98. myself says:
    @utu

    I will summarize the whole situation, IMHO.

    The West (America, UK, France, Germany) wants Russia to bow down before the West. It does not want Russia as a full member, just as the West will never accept Turkey or Iran or India as a full member.

    The West is unrealistic.

    China thinks Russia should decide to be fully for Russia, and stop trying to join the West who will never consider Russia Western.

    China can easily live with a pro-Russian Russia. It does not want Russia to be dominated by the West, which is very bad for everybody including Russia itself and also China.

    China is realistic.

    Russia now has to choose which path to take – full Russian identity, or 3rd-class Western status?

    • Replies: @aleksandar
    , @Dave Bowman
  99. utu says:
    @USSA

    What is ” South Africa’s playbook”?

    • Replies: @USSA
  100. Saker, your ignorant attacks on Latin Christianity are completely unwarranted, not to mention extremely distasteful during Holy Week. If you really believe that the historic Roman Church (not the doppelganger masquerading as such since Vatican II) is a bastion of moral relativism and hubris, then it is unclear why you would desire the West’s salvation at all. Western Civilization is nothing but the creation of Holy Mother Church; there is no other West besides that which the Church made.

    There is simply no plausible way in which you could have read “moral relativism” out of the philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas, so here you are clearly arguing in bad faith.

    You may wish to take note of the fact that among the people of the West today, it is only the Traditionalists, the perennialists, the true-blue paleos, who are at all capable of appreciating the value of Russia, who turn a sympathetic eye toward her in her current situation, and who share your disgust with the Anglo-Zionist empire. You should make more than your hitherto half-assed effort to understand them.

    • Agree: utu
    • Troll: Kiza
    • Replies: @DH13
    , @Anon
    , @ploni almoni
  101. myself says:
    @Michael Kenny

    The main problem most Western analysts have in understanding China’s actions is that they mistake SHORT-term interests for LONG-term interests.

    China is all about long-term interests. Very long term.

    In the SHORT RUN, on the order of say the next 20-30 years, would it benefit China if Russia broke up, and was dominated and controlled by the West? If Russians were essentially rendered powerless? SURE. As per the scenario outlined.

    But in the LONG RUN, on the order of the next 100 or more years, would it benefit China if Russia were reduced to nothing, and just became a puppet of the West? Absolutely not. A Russia that is nothing, or even a Russia that is simply weak, is no good for China.

    This is not to say that Russia and China are “ETERNAL FRIENDS”. There’s simply no such thing in the real universe in which we live.

    Even America and Europe are NOT eternal friends, nor America and Japan, and certainly not America and Israel. It is simply that the West is the LONG TERM existential threat to BOTH Russia and China.

    Any short term advantage to be gained by turning on each other is far outweighed by the long term negative consequences.

    China is VERY focused on the long-term.

  102. annamaria says:
    @Michael Kenny

    “… China’s ambition to be the dominant power in the world requires it to subjugate Russia.”
    – That’s your regular Jewish projection. This is why you have been ridiculed, consistently, on all those sites where you tried to post your comments.

  103. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous

    “Its the anglos, not anglo-zionists.”
    – You need to check Boris’ and Theresa’ true allegiance. Simply google “Zionist” and “The Friends of Israel” next to their names.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  104. Che Guava says:
    @Anonymous

    Also, it is for you to work on the difference between bit and all.

    I should not have replying to such lies.

  105. @peterAUS

    Hell, make even a new movie, updated for the current paradigm. Or TV show, whatever.
    That could, perhaps, take minds of US citizens from shopping and social media to, perhaps, more serious matters.

    Won’t hold my breath.

    The Children’s crusade foresaw that eventuality and pre-empted it. The spectacle in DC had as a purpose the further splintering of US society so that the Basket of Deplorables would resemble Easter eggs scattered on the White House lawn, unconnected and set in opposition to each other as well as to their own children, the next generation of righteous moral leaders.

    Children’s crusade was the inevitable follow-on to Charlottesville, sponsored by the same entities. I’ve been intrigued with one element of that sponsorship, the Anglos, in USA represented institutionally by Episcopalians. High (Anglo) Episcopalians are firmly in the control of Zionists but are absolutely forbidden to recognize or acknowledge that fused relationship.

  106. @Arioch

    If May, Johnson and Williamson are acting stupid, they deserve Academy Awards. They’ve certainly got me fooled.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  107. annamaria says:
    @Montefrío

    “An actual civil insurrection in the USA might be all that can stop further escalation. Further escalation will put not just the USA but the entire world at risk.”
    — Agree. However:
    1. The students’ debt and the epidemics of opioids are not a good sign for the expected intellectual independence. Add to that the blatant disregard towards the law in the highest echelons of power (see the Iraq war, torture, “missing” trillions…) and the pernicious dumbing-down influence of MSM owned by the big-moneyed and zioconish.
    2. The US military is heavily zionized and “purified” from the patriotic, competent Americans.
    3. A prolonged cooperation with Israelis has modified the US police force; most likely, the US police is ready to squash a civil insurrection in the US by any means

    • Replies: @prusmc
  108. @Sean

    Sean, if you aren’t the biggest idiot on UR, then you’ll do until the biggest idiot gets here.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  109. @Allenbard Woodison

    “…sergeant who reads Jack Chick pamphlets…”

    A cheap shot at Jack Chick on Resurrection Day.

    It’s Modernists like you who have rejected Tradition and embraced moral relativism that are the problem.

  110. peterAUS says:
    @Montefrío

    Yup.

    As for the “On the Beach hemisphere”, well, there is an uncomfortable thought: a demonstration.

    Like: we can’t really launch on mainland USA, not even Hawaii/Guam….but, perhaps, to show that we really mean business, how about a little launch into deserts of West Australia?
    Being part of “Five Eyes” has advantages and disadvantages.

  111. annamaria says:
    @Quartermaster

    – A funny philosophizing from the Kaganat of Nuland (former Ukraine).

    “…testing US defenses and resolve in Syria.” — You mean, the ziocons’ resolve? Yes, the Israel-firsters would fight n Syria till the last “moderate rebel.” Your tribe has united with banderites in attacking the Russian Federation. And this is why and how the holocaust biz has gotten exposed to a considerable degree.

  112. Svigor says:

    So you think a western fit-up of Russia doesn’t make as much sense as believing the UK government’s outrageous fairy tale. I really do wonder how you have summoned up the courage to question Saker’s logic.

    Hi, dumb fuck flathead. It’s really quite simple: Putin is more likely to have unknown reasons for wanting that particular Russian dead than a western gov’t is. I mean, it’s really, really fucking simple: if all a western gov’t wants to do is frame Putin, they have their pick of Russians to kill, but if Putin actually wanted the guy dead, only one corpse will do.

    Dumb fuck.

    But why? Framing Putin, has worked pretty well for the UK. Such a Dr. Stranglove act is exactly what the media wanted.

    The usual Jew argument: “Hitler was crazy, so you have to accept any ludicrious behavior I attribute to him.”

  113. Svigor says:

    No, the Chinese are surely disgusted with this bullying behavior of the West (even many Europeans are, just read the comments to the news in the different media outlets) but China cannot seriously confront the West. That would make them lose trillions of dollars in exports and investments and put an abrupt end to their miraculous but still ongoing economic development. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

    China should be disgusted with her own rampant corruption, unalloyed greed, shitty human rights record, and totalitarian regime.

  114. annamaria says:

    Perhaps, what is really new for the UK “leadership” is the eager readiness to expose themselves as fools and dishonest shills. http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/she-is-risen-last-act-of-novichok-drama-revealed-the-skripals-resurrection.html#comments
    Comment section: “The UK authorities’ campaign of simultaneously suppressing factual information and instead bloviating a series of dodgy claims, outright falsehoods, and escalating scurrilous smears kept both critics and the public off balance for a long time.
    But it was predictable that facts on the ground would eventually emerge that could not be explained away by more facile nonsense and rhetorical Russophobic Sturm und Drang.
    … since the UK government chose to put itself far out on a greasy limb, what is their anticipated endgame?
    Unlike the US, older governments in the UK and EU have a tradition of resigning in the face of scandal– once attempts to weather the scandal have been exhausted, at any rate.
    It would be delicious to see the despicable Gorgon May and UK Village Idiot Laureate Boris Johnson get their well-deserved comeuppance. In fact, it would be too good to be true.
    Thus, I assume that the Big Liars will somehow contrive to “tough it out”, and double down on the facile nonsense and rhetorical Russophobic Sturm und Drang.”
    – In short, we are witnessing the Cheneyization of the UK political life by the Friends of Israel.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Dave Bowman
  115. Svigor says:

    To the author of the article:

    Its the anglos not anglo-zionists.

    Nah, it’s the Zionists, Jews, etc.

  116. If the Russians want to be independent (which is not clear from the cheap seats where I sit), they have been given ample opportunity by the AZ empire by way of sanctions and media cover. The Russians will be infinitely better off long term to go the self determination route rather than just linking up with the global banking cabal. It is in their own best interest that that work to develop modern Russia, whatever they think that ought to look like.

    At the end of the day, independence is not something that can be granted or given or voted for, it is something that is achieved. Long term thinkers and doers (aka Russian Nationalist minded capables) in Russia ought to be on the ground figuring out how to make Russia unique, independent & free from excessive levels of corruption that are rumored to have long plagued their nation. For their work to be self sustaining it ought rely on free markets rather than state interference, something the Russian elite are certainly well aware of. Once they have established that to the degree that suits them, the next step towards normalization of relations and integration to whatever degree will unfold.

    The AZ have provided Russia with plenty of space and cover for them to choose independence if they seek it. The easy way out is to just sell the country to the AZ banking cabal and be done with it. In that case it will look just like everywhere else under AZ dominion. It might be hard, but not that hard if you have the right people working for it with a long term horizon for their success.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  117. Sean says:
    @annamaria

    Excuse me, when did Russia become an enemy of Israel? Putin complaint was against the current Ukrainian government was that they are anti-Semites and Nazis. Russia is full of influential Jewish oligarchs.

    It was Anna Chapman in the Kremlin with the Kasha. Buckwheat porridge that Skirpal’s daughter requested a female friend to bring over from Russia for her father had nerve agent added to it.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Dave Bowman
  118. I agree! The chicken hawks in the west might have more guns but they are still a bunch of chicken hawks! The AngloZionists have shown over and over that they don’t want wars with the other strong bullies like Russia! The AngloZionists only can attack the weak, very weak and the weakest nations in order to steal their riches and resources because without those resources they won’t last or survive for longer than a day!
    The AngloZionism is a type uncontrollable cancer and it has mutated over the past 100 years. Just like the recording tape played at the beginning of the mission impossible it will eventually self destruct itself.

  119. USSA says:
    @utu

    One of South Africa’s survival strategies was to bolster CIA’s deniability for serious crimes by doing their dirty work. They did CWC/BWC-illegal weapons development, tortured, murdered, fought proxy wars in manifest breach of the UN Charter, and supplied cutouts (a.k.a. patsies) from their roster of agents (the gift that keeps on giving – remember Steven Hatfill?)

    Israel, the new skunk among nations, is doing the same thing.

    • Replies: @utu
  120. Furthermore along that line of thinking, I see some horse trading in time between poles as regionalism and further progress toward sustainable development takes place. The EU is done and is a second pillar of stability for a group that has long been lacking it, stable money is now a fact in the EU.

    My presumption is that in time, Russia will say good bye to china and hello the the EU, there is just too much they need one another for. This horsetrading will occur when greater Asia has made their peace with the Chinese and aligned their interests in some degree of harmony, a principle close to the hearts of the majority of asian peoples. Just my read of the long term on that front.

  121. @annamaria

    If it’s the case, as Phil Weiss has argued, that Jews have successfully displaced WASPs; and if, as I contend, the pre-eminent “WASP” institution is the mainline Anglican Episcopal church, then there’s a clear case that zionists have taken charge of mainline Episcopal church in USA.

    Charlottesville, VA is staunchly Anglican Episcopal for 200 years. The institutionalized Episcopalian response to the events in Charlottesville were scripted for Episcopalian leadership by ADL. Similar applies to other “race training” run in DC Episcopal diocese: that training, run by Blacks employed by Episcopal diocese, used the zionist protocol:
    “We are victims;”
    “YOU (whites) are persecuting us and have been doing so forever;”
    “We therefore have the right to destroy you, supplant your, dispossess you.”

    A more reasonable process of reforming White-Black relations would be to educate and celebrate authentic Black history and cultural contributions AS WELL AS the disparate European, diverse, cultural authentic and unique histories and contributions.

    Neither the Black nor the “White” futures are monolithic — German history is vastly different and distinct from French history & culture, and from British culture and history. Similarly for the varieties of Black histories and cultures.

    imo it is far more fruitful to recognize and educate and celebrate these varied, authentic histories and cultures rather than take the psychotic zionist Abrahamic approach of destroying them.

  122. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    More accurately: “Supremacist Jews”.

    Unfortunately, that includes vast majority of the Tribe. Even the outer layers – consisting of Jews who are not ideologically anti-goyim – are often happy to undermine and weaken their hosts through sheer compound nepotism to the point where it becomes unbearable and self-destructive.

    I understand. It’s tempting to believe that you’re better than the rest of humanity and it’s certainly nice to enjoy the fruits of seemingly endless, parasitic nepotism but this ride is coming to an end, again. Here comes another “persecution” and/or nuclear annihilation. There’s literally no third option.

    So no – the inner layer, which is deeply psychopathic and eager to start WW3 – can’t take all the blame when it’s just an extension of the outer layers where the “good” Jews reside. There’s only a handful of Jews who are challenging this travesty – and they’re always shunned by their “brethren”.

    So, how many Jewish organizations are working to preserve white nations and their people?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  123. annamaria says:

    This could help you to stay on point. Enjoy!
    “Russia ‘Novichok’ hysteria proves politicians and media haven’t learned the lessons of Iraq:” https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/31/26507/
    “Hillary Clinton ordered diplomats to suppress ‘Novichok’ discussions:” http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/clinton-state-department-discouraged-novichok-discussion.html
    “Last act of ‘Novichok’ drama revealed – “The Skripals’ resurrection”: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/she-is-risen-last-act-of-novichok-drama-revealed-the-skripals-resurrection.html
    “Russia has 14 questions on “fabricated” Skripal case: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-31/russia-has-14-questions-fabricated-skripal-case
    Highly relevant: “How Syria challenges the unipolar order:” http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/elijah-magnier-how-syria-challenges-the-unipolar-order.html

    • Replies: @Anon
  124. prusmc says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Do you think there are 1000 people in the US power elite of government, Academia and business who know who sir Halford Mackinder was and what his central thesis was about?

  125. Sean says:
    @animalogic

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12117729/Litvinenko-killers-left-trail-of-radiation-after-visit-to-British-embassy-to-plead-innocence.html

    Senior diplomat reveals he carried out radioactive sweep of embassy that found polonium after bizarre visit by assassins of Alexander Litvinenko [...] “We found traces of radiation on the chairs the suspects had sat in and on the table where Lugovoi had placed his hands. There was even a trace in the slot in the security officers’ room where Lugovoi had been required to deposit his mobile phone.” [...]

    Mr Knott said the Russian ministry of transport cancelled a flight from Moscow to London shortly after the embassy had informed the authorities that the aircraft would undergo a security inspection on landing in Britain. It was thought the plane had been used by Lugovoy and Kovtun on one of their trips to London and the Met police wanted to test the aircraft to see if traces of polonium showed up

    We know the nerve poison was in a packet of Kasha that Skirpal’s daughter had asked a friend to bring from Muscovy. The woman has already been identified and helped with inquiries, which are continuing.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43606085
    The UK has rejected a complaint from Russia over a search of one of its aircraft at London’s Heathrow Airport, as a row over the poisoning of a former Russian spy deepens.

    The British government described the search of the Aeroflot plane on Friday as “routine” after Russia suggested it was “illegal”.

    Our country, our rules.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  126. the chinese economy is already too big to isolate. by 2045, so will india’s economy become too big to isolate.

    these two alone = hegemony over.

    what china needs to do is get 500 more nukes to ensure no crazies at D.C makes any crazy moves. apparently, 2000 russian nukes is no longer enough. or at least, they think they can neutralize russian nukes after putin is gone.

    we need MAD to survive the crazies.

    • Replies: @myself
  127. Kiza says:
    @Montefrío

    Why do you think Australia would be spared, as in a Hollywood movie, when it has five US-strategic and nuclear-related bases on its territory? Maybe Australia overall does not deserve Sarmat’s 15 warheads like Florida, but at least Pine Gap would get a singular one promptly, right at the beginning of comeuppance.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  128. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    said:
    “Fortunately, the goyim are starting to wake up – again.”

    And just like the fake ’6M Jews & gas chambers’ that were conjured up by Jews previously * to stop the awakening, this time we are seeing the equally fake, but prominent claims of ‘antisemitism = violence against / murder of Jews’, staged ‘hate crimes’, and massive attacks on Euro-white gentiles as intentionally incited by Jews and their controlled media.

    Lies worked before, so Jews keep on telling them.

    * Note that Jews tried their fake ’6M’ nonsense at least as far back at 1823:

    https://imgur.com/a/0LFFF

    and:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://www.codoh.com

  129. DH13 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Agree. Saker is wrong in this regard. He is right about the rest though.

  130. tac says:

    OT

    everyone should view this video before YouTube takes it down (MSM propaganda script exposed):

    • Agree: Miro23, Talha
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @tac
  131. annamaria says:
    @Linda Green

    “the AZ have provided Russia with plenty of space and cover for them to choose independence if they seek it.”
    – Perhaps you need to ponder on the time frame of the relationships. A good start would be to look at the situation in Russia some 20-15 years ago and compare it with the current situation. It is easy to pontificate on the “rumored” “excessive levels of corruption” and on becoming “unique” (and why do Russians need this “uniqueness”?), as well as on “selling the country” while “having the right people” in the short terms intrinsic to the thinking of financial sector.
    And what exactly is this mysterious “long-term horizon for their ["right people] success” in case Russia is sold to “the AZ banking cabal?” – Are you seriously proposing that the hegemon has a “long-term horizon?” There are data on pension plans, infrastructure, students’ debt, opioid epidemics, a decrease in a lifespan, enormous debt ($21 trillion and counting), zionization of the military (welcome to die for Israel!), the corruption of the US Congress, the FBI and the CIA… What exactly could make one optimistic about the “long-term horizon” for the ZUSA? There could be some “horizons” only if (IF) the empire finds more victims to parasitize on, but it seems that the potential “feeding material” does not have any desire to succumb to the predators.

  132. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @tac

    Thanks. It’s spreading like wildfire across the Web.

  133. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    Read about Syria, Sean. Take time to read about Russians in Syria. Read about Iran and Syria. Educate yourself, Sean. Read about Kagans (ziocons) in Ukraine. Think why the US was upset with the popular referendum in Crimea. Read about Canadian banderites that are the best friends of the US ziocons. And don’t forget to read about Boris & Theresa’ allegiance to Zionism and about their very special relationships with the Friends of Israel in the UK. Both M16 and the CIA have been involved with ISIS (this is a very special friendship); moreover, the “moderate rebels” have never ever attacked their main feeding hand — Israelis.
    As for Jews in Russia, it seems that Russians are the most patient and forgiving people. They are not like Masha Gessen, David Remnick, Leon Aron, and other Alperovitchs who would sell/betray anyone and anything for the right price.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  134. Vidi says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Chinese being a large nation with calculator instead of heart. Basically large nation with small outlooks which is very mercantile. If they ever help it is because it is good for them.

    Why do you think China bought lots of weapons from Russia in the 1990s, when Russia’s military manufacturers were dying? China saved when she could have bought from the Americans or the Europeans instead. Why do you think China did that?

    Russians today are proud of their new generation of weapons, but all that hardware wouldn’t exist if the design bureaus and military manufacturers had died in Russia’s general economic crash.

    When you consider how China earned the foreign exchange to buy those weapons — from near slavery to the West — you should realize that she did no small favor to Russia.

    • Replies: @myself
  135. Vidi says:
    @forgottenpseudonym

    the Kremlin merely needs to publish a list of AngloZionist politicos and billionaires marked for annihilation in the event of war, letting them know that from now on their exact location, and that of their families, will at all times be tracked by Russia’s military intelligence

    Are the new “gravity survey” satellites sensitive enough to see the larger underground bunkers? Serious question; I don’t know if they are.

  136. The truth is that while western leaders are most definitely psychopaths, they are neither stupid nor suicidal, and neither were Napoleon or Hitler!

    Hitler?

    Good grief, way to lose tons of credibility. His people were victims of the same sorts of psychopaths and liars being complained about here. Time to get over the Hitler bullsh!t, don’t ya think?

    Short article. Read it and do some research.:

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

  137. @Kiza

    There seems to be some confusion here. I said I lived in the same hemisphere as the Australia of Shute’s novel, not that I lived in Australia itself. I live in central Argentina, a less likely target area than most. My hope is that no bombs land anywhere, but if land they will, this is certainly as good a place as any to be, perhaps better than most.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  138. @forgottenpseudonym

    Revealing who was the real force behind 9/11 and making sure that the information was widely disseminated would be a game changer in the US too.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  139. Svigor says:

    One of South Africa’s survival strategies was to bolster CIA’s deniability for serious crimes by doing their dirty work. They did CWC/BWC-illegal weapons development, tortured, murdered, fought proxy wars in manifest breach of the UN Charter, and supplied cutouts (a.k.a. patsies) from their roster of agents (the gift that keeps on giving – remember Steven Hatfill?)

    Israel, the new skunk among nations, is doing the same thing.

    Proxy wars against, say, shitbag proxies of shitbag USSR, like shitbag Cuba and shitbag Angola.

  140. Svigor says:

    It would be more accurate to say “Zionists” rather than “Jews”.

    Potato, potahto. Zionists are by far the Jewish majority. I see no great Jewish schism over that fact.

    Jews are gonna say you’re an “ANTI-SEMITE!!!” if you criticize Zionists – they obviously agree with my assessment.

  141. Uncle Sam says:

    This campaign of Russophobia is being directed by the Jews of the western world, particularly the Jews of America. It is motivated by a desire to re-assert Jewish power in Russia, which Putin eliminated by expelling the Jewish oligarchs, in much the same way that Stalin purged the Jewish Bolsheviks in 1936-37.

    The Jews cannot have their one world government without controlling Russia. As the author of this commentary indicates, the Chinese would be next. I am sure the Chinese are aware of that. So it is in their self interest to support Russia.

    One way to pressure the West to cease and desist is thru economic pressure. The Russians could cut back the natural gas flow to Europe or stop it altogether. If that happens, these European countries will come to their senses very quickly. The Americans do not have enough gas to make up the difference and even if they did it would be too costly and not arrive in time. In other words, “freeze their asses”, especially Britain. Beyond that, cut off the West’s export markets by providing cheaper goods and services to the countries receiving those exports. They could very easily do that by having a barter trade policy. That would doom Wall Street and the City of London.

    Would the West start a war over that? I don’t think they would. They would be too frightened. These megalomaniacs who control the western governments are not going to risk a nuclear war over the loss of their export markets.

    One other thing. Even if the Russians took out an American aircraft carrier or other ship, the West would have to respond conventionally which they don’t have the strength to do. The other alternative is to commit suicide in a nuclear war, which they obviously won’t do. In other words, they would swallow their pride and do nothing.

    • Replies: @Avery
  142. myself says:
    @Vidi

    It is too much to ask of any nation or tribe of people to actually act completely selflessly. Even with all of its good points, Russia does not do this.

    You can ask that of family and friends, but you can’t ask it of even your office co-workers or classmates, much less of corporations or countries.

    America, for example, did not feel disturbed enough by the fall of France in 1940 to go to war. Even though some said we should help Britain, we did not join the war, because it was “Britain’s war.” It took Pearl Harbor to get us to fight.

    I think it is enough that China wants to work in very long-term cooperation with Russia, will leave Russia alone, and wants to focus on their own homeland and on peace-time commerce.

    To ask for more is to ask something simply impossible in all of human history.

    • Replies: @denk
  143. mcohen says:

    Well the time has come to ask why has russia not moved its embassy to jerusalem.let us ignore the 3rd parties trying to drive a wedge between the great powers.the same goes for france and england.the uniting of the 3 companions of the abrahamic faith in jerusalem.the establishment of the embassies of faith could go a long way to bringing world peace.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  144. Avery says:
    @Uncle Sam

    { The Russians could cut back the natural gas flow to Europe or stop it altogether.}

    Moscow won’t do that: Russia does not play that kind of game with its customers.
    Russian policy is that if you signed a contract and are paying for it, then you get the gas – regardless of politics. Russia wants to establish a reputation as a reliable supplier.
    Russia even brought much needed gas to England, despite England’s visceral hostility to Russia*.

    It is the right thing to do: keep your customers happy, sell them gas, get paid in hard currency, and keep buying gold. If Russia cuts off the gas, it will hurt the economies of the West some, but the shortfall of Russian gas will be filled by somebody else eventually, albeit at much higher prices.

    EU cut off exports of ag products to Russia, and as a result Russian agriculture got a tremendous boost after the initial shock. Eventually Russian will become near 100% self-sufficient in ag: EU countries lost the Russian market permanently.

    {Beyond that, cut off the West’s export markets by providing cheaper goods and services to the countries receiving those exports}

    Good point.

    ___________________
    *
    [Siberian gas delivery to UK offers relief after cold blast] (David Sheppard and Andrew Ward in London MARCH 3, 2018)

    https://www.ft.com/content/31e076e2-1e28-11e8-956a-43db76e69936

    {The UK’s cold snap this week may have blown in from Siberia, but now Russia’s far north is set to provide some relief to Britain: a cargo of liquefied natural gas to replenish the country’s stretched energy supplies.}

  145. myself says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    If 500 to 600 Chinese strategic warheads (more than enough to end the world, once over) are not convincing, 5,000 Russian warheads (enough to end the world many times) also won’t be.

    And if 5,600 Russian and Chinese warheads are not enough, even 1,000,000 warheads won’t be. In fact, INFINITE destruction will mean nothing. The enemy’s mind and capacity to reason are the problem, not the size of arsenal.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  146. prusmc says: • Website
    @annamaria

    In my 30 plus years of Military duty, I only recall four Jewish men. Of course, no one went around asking religion. Actually, don’t recall any Muslims either, but may have missed them. A recent posting by a career Marine Corps infantry officer noted that he never saw a Jewish infantry officer.

    I have serious doubts about how well the US military would perform in a near-peer type conflict. Example the recent seemingly insubordinate statement by the head of what used to be SAC, that he would not obey orders from Trump, is very disturbing. How many other general officers and flag officers share his sentiments, who knows? A lot of people thought James Mattice would root out internal decay in the Armed Forces; unfortunately, he seems overly concerned with hustling funds for new weapons systems.
    Nevertheless, I don’t subscribe to the idea that Zionist influence dominates the US military. The illustrations concerning apparently few Jewish service members indicates at most a lack of interest in the military in no way control of it.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Begemot
  147. denk says:

    Not exactly OT,

    Was Ebola an organic natural phenomenon? Did this strain of Ebola accidentally escape from a bioweapons lab? Or, was it deliberately released?

    Basson , aka doctor of death, is surrounded by cloak and dagger intrigue, as he told Pretoria High court in South Africa that “The local CIA agent in Pretoria threatened me with death on the sidewalk of the American Embassy in Schoeman Street.” According to a 2001 article in The New Yorker magazine, the American Embassy in Pretoria was “terribly concerned” that Basson would reveal deep connections between Project Coast and the United States.

    http://www.oldthinkernews.com/2014/10/19/secret-project-created-weaponized-ebola-in-south-africa-in-the-1980s/

  148. denk says:
    @myself

    Was Pearl harbor a FF ?

    The horrific attack was yet another in a long long line of false flag operations that have been carried out by unscrupulous criminals (our misleaders) over the years. Just as with the 9/11 false flag attack, around 3000 American lives were sacrificed so that the US Government had the pretext they needed to go to war. As the 75th anniversary approaches, it is appropriate to cast our gaze back in time and set the record straight on the Pearl Harbor false flag op in the hope that this information will spread far and wide, and prevent future leaders from using this hackneyed tactic to trick people into submission and achieve their dark political and geopolitical goals.
    The Pearl Harbor False Flag Motive: Providing a “Legitimate” Cover Story for the Long-Planned Entry of the US into WW2

    http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/pearl-harbor-false-flag-75th-anniversary/

  149. @myself

    they should not be labeled as enemy, just crazies. they think they can survive 200 nukes from china, but add 500 nukes to that, maybe that will wake them up from that crazy fantasy.

    I have also noticed that alot of people calling for war between usa and china are from uk, australia and other common wealth nations. maybe china should reserved 50% of it’s nukes for these nations. so should russia.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    , @myself
  150. annamaria says:
    @mcohen

    “…why has russia not moved its embassy to jerusalem…”
    –Perhaps because the Israeli mafia’s interests are perpendicular to the interests of the Russian Federation?

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/03/20/deja-vu-with-british-poison-allegations-against-russia.html

    • Replies: @mcohen
  151. Svigor says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_aircraft

    Soviet nuclear bomber hoax[edit]

    The 1 December 1958 issue of Aviation Week included an article, Soviets Flight Testing Nuclear Bomber, that claimed that the Soviets had greatly progressed a nuclear aircraft program:[3] “[a] nuclear-powered bomber is being flight tested in the Soviet Union. Completed about six months ago, this aircraft has been flying in the Moscow area for at least two months. It has been observed both in flight and on the ground by a wide variety of foreign observers from Communist and non-Communist countries.” Unlike the US designs of the same era, which were purely experimental, the article noted that “The Soviet aircraft is a prototype of a design to perform a military mission as a continuous airborne alert warning system and missile launching platform.” Photographs illustrated the article, along with technical diagrams on the proposed layout; these were so widely seen that one company produced a plastic model aircraft based on the diagrams in the article. An editorial on the topic accompanied the article.[4]

    Concerns were soon expressed in Washington that “the Russians were from three to five years ahead of the US in the field of atomic aircraft engines and that they would move even further ahead unless the US pressed forward with its own program”.[5] These concerns caused continued but temporary funding of the US’s own program.

    The aircraft in the photographs was later revealed to be the conventional Myasishchev M-50 Bounder, a medium-range strategic bomber that performed like the USAFs B-58 Hustler. The design was considered a failure, never entered service, and was revealed to the public on Soviet Aviation Day in 1963 at Monino, putting the issue to rest.[6]

    Aaaaaaand 2 paragraphs later…

    Russian programs[edit]

    In February 2018, Vladimir Putin claimed that Russia had developed a new, nuclear-powered cruise missile with nuclear warhead that can evade air and missile defenses and hit any point on the globe. According to the statements its first flight test occurred in 2017. It was claimed to feature “a small-size super-powerful power plant that can be placed inside the hull of a cruise missile and guarantee a range of flight ten times greater than that of other missiles.” The video showed the missile evading defense systems over the Atlantic, flying over Cape Horn and finally north towards Hawaii.[9][10][11][12][13] To date there is no publicly available evidence to verify these statements. The Pentagon is aware of a Russian test of a nuclear-powered cruise missile but the system is still under development and had recently crashed in the Arctic.[14][15][16] A RAND Corporation researcher specializing in Russia said “My guess is they’re not bluffing, that they’ve flight-tested this thing. But that’s incredible.”[17] According to a CSIS fellow, such a nuclear powered missile “has an almost unlimited range — you could have it flying around for long periods of time before you order it to hit something”[18] Putin’s statements and the video showing a concept of the missile in flight suggest that it is not a supersonic ramjet like Project Pluto but a subsonic vehicle with a nuclear-heated turbojet or turbofan engine.

    =o

    LOL. Save us, East.

    Anything new for April Fool’s, guys?

    :D

  152. @Anonymous

    An example that may prove your point is Jeffrey Epstein, a middle class Jew from Brooklyn who became a Wall Street billionaire through his ties to a wealthy Jewish-American Mossad operative. Epstein’s job was to set up an underage honey-trap on a Caribbean isle that lured in the Clintons and others. Epstein himself was a pedophile, so it proved to be enjoyable work for him. Epstein also had a long association with President Trump. So Epstein could be the “outer-layer” you speak of.

    But I still think you’re casting too a wide a net. The Zionist conspiracy is real, with a history stretching back to antiquity. But the vast majority of Jews are not conspirators. Don’t forget the gentile Zionists like John Bolton, Dick Cheney, and the seedy, captured Clintons.

    Zionism is yet another problem of elites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dave Bowman
  153. annamaria says:
    @prusmc

    Thank you for your service, Sir!
    Here is an article on the zionization of the US military: “Fighting Israel’s Wars,” by Philip Giraldi: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48309.htm
    More on the Colonel Lang blog: “The U.S. military now seems to be totally focused on Israeli policy goals in Iran, Syria and Iraq… The process of conditioning American officers to make them Zionists has been ongoing for a long time.” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/.m/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/11/have-the-us-militry-gone-zionist/comments/
    Shoshana Bryen, a Senior Director of The Jewish Policy Center in Washington, D.C.:
    “I have taken more than 400 American security professionals – primarily retired American Admirals and Generals – to Israel in more than 30 trips. And at the other end of their careers, I have sent more than 500 cadets and midshipmen of our service academies to Israel before they received their commissions. … They don’t always agree with Israel’s politics – or Israel’s defense choices – or any other single aspect of Israeli political, military and social life, but I never found one that didn’t believe in the relationship between Jews and the land of Israel. The United States military, then, is a Zionist institution.”
    More: “No American President Can Stand Up to Israel,” by Paul Craig Roberts: https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/08/15/quot-no-american-president-can-stand-up-to-israel-quot/

  154. utu says:
    @USSA

    Thanks for explaining.

    South Africa enjoyed a protective umbrella also because of its cooperation with Israel on nuclear weapons and testing. One may wonder why the plug was pulled from South Africa when it was pulled. Was it because South Africa was no longer useful to Israel?

  155. @Astuteobservor II

    “. . they should not be labeled as enemy, just crazies. they think they can survive 200 nukes from china, but add 500 nukes to that, maybe that will wake them up from that crazy fantasy“

    What was that line from Dr. Strangelove?

    “Look, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed.”

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  156. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Taipei, March 31 (CNA) Foreign Minister Joseph Wu (吳釗燮) summoned Acting Representative of Russia to Taiwan Vladislav Kuznetsov Saturday, expressing Taiwan government’s condemnation and deep concern over a poisoning attack of former Russian intelligence agent and his daughter earlier this month in Salisbury, England.

    If it isn’t an coordinated attack on Russia, then I don’t know what it is. Even America’s little poodle Taiwan got into action.

    2018 will be an interesting year as the US is taking on Russia and China at the same time.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @TT
  157. Kiza says:
    @Montefrío

    Well Argentina at present does not have any US nuclear war-related installations to my knowledge. Yet, I would not say that Centeal Argentina would be quite safe. The only places with some chance of survival are the Southern tips of South America and Africa and the South Island of New Zealand and Tasmania. I guess that it would not be hard for you to migrate further down south into the safe Southern Argentina.

    Sorry, but I did fail to see your connection between the movie On the Beach and Argentina. The movie needed an English language setting to create a relatable drama and at that time, perhaps, Australia did not have nuclear-war related installations. Otherwise, this novel and the movie are simply obsolete.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  158. mcohen says:
    @annamaria

    There is the temporary insanity of politics and then there is the centuries old bonds of relegion.
    Gam yachad.

  159. Kiza says:
    @Kiza

    20-30 years after a global nuclear war humanity would be lucky to be pushing a million people in the remaining inhabitable places. This means about 1 in 10,000 survives. Obviously, even 1M survivors may turn out to be overly optimistic, because in addition to the nuclear winter from the ash, there could be strange effects on the athmosphere and on the Earth’s magnetic field, which is the shield against Sun’s nuclear radiation. How utterly ridiculous AGW looks compared with the global nuclear war.

  160. Mike G says:

    Playing Chicken with a nuclear power, that is just brilliant and all for Israel.

    Do they think the rapture will last an hour, or a day. Those that survive the initial blasts will be the true losers.

    I’d have to say the destruction of present earth for the stupidity of man is too much to bear.

  161. tac says:
    @tac

    new Putin documentary on the world order 2018 (also being pulled by YouTube) …. It is 1.5 hours long:

    https://youtu.be/XO1NCItSWys

  162. @Twodees Partain

    Remarks such as this could be seen as very hurtful to Quartermaster and Michael Kenny.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  163. Begemot says:
    @prusmc

    I don’t subscribe to the idea that Zionist influence dominates the US military. The illustrations concerning apparently few Jewish service members indicates at most a lack of interest in the military in no way control of it.

    The real controllers of the military are those who decide where it will be used and for what purpose and they are usually not in the military. I’m talking grand strategy and national policy.

  164. @Issac

    It’s funny to see how your ” US imperial mindset ” make you thinking that everybody see the world through this prism.
    Some nations want to leave in peace without hegemonic dream, you know ?

  165. @myself

    They have made this choice ten years ago. Future is in East.

  166. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @TT

    Since when has the West & Russians, or anyone are more kind than Chinese, giving without expectation of return of at least gratitude from a Russian like you?

    The chinese, the kind, the selfless, the beneficent, who want nothing in return… they whose only goal in their spiritually bankrupt lives, is the quest to enrich themselves, and who want nothing in return for their “beneficence”… Hahahahaha!!!

    - Uyghur terrorists

    Haven’t you heard, one person’s terrorist is another’s Freedom Fighter.

    For all muslims, the Uyghurs quest will always be fighting for freedom from you godless heathens.

    In other words, no matter how much you succeed in this world, your kind will mostly remain the spiritually godless capital-L losers, you have been for millennia.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @myself
    , @TT
  167. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    But the vast majority of Jews are not conspirators

    It’s too late for that excuse. The white goyim are getting genocided and the world is being pushed into WW3. And every time I look into it, there’s organised Jewry at the centre. Enough! I don’t think we can be friends anymore.

    At the end of the day, the vast majority of Jews are nepotistic parasites even when they’re not on Epstein’s or Soros’ speed-dial. There’s a reason they were historically rejected by… everyone. You can actually find the stated reasons if you look. They’re awfully familiar.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  168. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @TT

    If West has offered Russia G8 on equal term + Nato, Russia won’t hesitate to throw Syria, Iran, China immediately under bus.

    This is easy to accept. Russia obviously feels it will be more comfortable in bed with her white cousins, and hence desperately wishes to be part of the western supremacist cult. The fact the current cult members do not allow its entry, must be heart breaking for those slavoids. Oh cousins, look, we too have lily white asses, why can’t you accept us into your glorious cult *sorry face*

    Russkies’ mostly conciliatory tone towards the west appears to be proof of that. Their other warnings are only meant to protect their sorry asses from some ill-advised adventure by the evil to the west.

    Even given these facts, I still support Putin because the current geopolitical circumstances has pitted him against the western Mordor. As long as the whites & their cousins fcuk each other up, and mostly leave us alone, I am okay with that.

    As far as the chinese are concerned, you fellows are simply wealth worshipping pussies.

  169. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Catholics are not taught animosity towards the Orthodox, but the reverse can be true. But never mind. Are you SSPX? If not, you might try going to Mass in a church run by Opus Dei. The homilies are approached in the same way as in the Tridentine’s, the music beautiful and they are very respectful of the liturgy.

    Also, they are adept at community-building programs and manage to get hold of attractive people. As in very pretty young women.

    He is risen. Happy Easter!

  170. @Sean

    Our country, our rules.

    And fuck the rule of international law, huh..? How smart you are.

    • Replies: @Sean
  171. @SunBakedSuburb

    the vast majority of Jews are not conspirators

    Irrelevant.

    The problem is, that the vast majority of Jews who are NOT conspirators unquestioningly nepotistically support, protect and excuse the massively dangerous, destructive and satanically evil ethnic cousin minority who ARE.

  172. @forgottenpseudonym

    All suggestions as to who should be included welcome.

    George Soros
    Douglas Feith
    Paul Wolfowitz
    Steven Mnuchin

    I’m bored already. Anyone who doesn’t already know the names of our Destroyers by heart is either too uneducated or blind to comment, or too stupid to breathe.

  173. @NoseytheDuke

    Revealing who was the real force behind 9/11…

    On one occasion, pre-election, Trump publicly stated he would do this.

    It didn’t happen.

    Regardless of all else – and there is much more – he is now a one-trick pony, a spent force, and a dead duck.

    We are fucked.

  174. @annamaria

    Bravo… Intelligent, beautiful Female.

    But I suspect you are simply wasting your energy and your breath with an arrogant, pig-ignorant, closed-minded Russia-hater like Sean, who seems to have no understanding at all of the extent to which he has been brainwashed by the mainstream media’s Zionist lies.

    Don’t waste your time.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Sean
  175. @Sean

    It was Anna Chapman in the Kremlin with the Kasha. Buckwheat porridge that Skirpal’s daughter requested a female friend to bring over from Russia for her father had nerve agent added to it

    Brilliant.

    Sources, or retract.

  176. @annamaria

    – In short, we are witnessing the Cheneyization of the UK political life by the Friends of Israel

    One of the most brilliant sentences on the internet. 50 years of insane, blood-soaked Jewish psycopathy across 2 continents in one fabulous, all-inclusive sentence.

    God… I think your intelligence is turning me on : )

    • Replies: @annamaria
  177. @Twodees Partain

    No acting. No Oscars.

    Actually being as thick as pigshit is much easier.

  178. @myself

    “Russia now has to choose which path to take – full Russian identity, or 3rd-class Western status”

    And Putin, of course, is making entirely the WRONG choice – in Israel’s view.

    That should tell you everything you need to know.

  179. @Hapalong Cassidy

    one guy I talked to in a supposed super serious forum think in a nuclear war, chinese nukes would only be able to take out less than 10 population centers along the us coast lines. usa would only be set back 1 or 2 decade tops.

    that is how crazy some of these people are. there is no other way to describe them. calling them as enemies would make them sane.

    • Replies: @myself
  180. I have spent several days thinking about this article. I don’t quite get it save, that the west has engaged in a serious of sloppy political machinations designed to undermine Russia, most of which are either unsupported by evidence or out and out falsehoods. I for one am willing to grant that case. Somehow Europe, the US, no doubt to be followed by New Zealand and Australia have manufactured reasons to “pick on the Russians. And in so doing are creating a sensible case for Russia to rekindle old allegiances in a struggle for global dominance.

    I am noy convinced Russia wants to be dominant , but just insure she has a place at the table for her citizens benefit. I am not convinced that China does not see an opportunity to be a dominant player on the world stage, though I suspect her ambitions are long long term as opposed to what might be called.

    “Give it to me now and I want it now ”

    As seems to be the preferred demand of the EU advocates. After all we are not talking about delayed justice. this is a matter of new place and new establishment in the order. China’s sights are future.
    ____________________________

    Frankly, I didn’t get how the east could resolve the internal machinations of the US or Europe any better than the west could resolve these matters themselves with some honest assessment.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  181. denk says:
    @anonymous

    Haven’t you heard, one person’s terrorist is another’s Freedom Fighter.

    uncle sham’s definition’

    Those who go against me and my buddies are terrarists.

    Those who fight my enemies are freedom fighters.

    Hence those nun raping, pastor murdering Nicaragua contras are considered moral equivalence of murikkans founding fathers.

    Moslems fighting for independence in Kashmir are terrarists cuz Indians are murikkans soulmates,

    Moslems fighting for East Turkistan in Xinjiang are freedom fighters,

    hope this helps

  182. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The answer is:

    genocide

    - You can work to genocide your own.
    - You can genocide your real enemies.
    - Everyone, and their dog, gets wiped out. Forever.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  183. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:

    No one can be saved but through Him.

  184. myself says:
    @anonymous

    What is this “god” of which you speak? In the spiritual lives of humans, there are many “gods”, and many beliefs. Maybe you could explain further what you mean, explicitly.

  185. @anonymous

    Even given these facts, I still support Putin because the current geopolitical circumstances has pitted him against the western Mordor. As long as the whites & their cousins fcuk each other up, and mostly leave us alone, I am okay with that.

    No matter how much you blast the global north, you’re still going to be poor and ugly.

    And apparently for you, Muslim. I extend my sympathies.

  186. myself says:
    @anonymous

    As far as the chinese are concerned, you fellows are simply wealth worshipping pussies.

    Oh yes, wealth worshipping indeed.

    As to the pussy part, we should go to war with them, let’s do another Korean War, or better World War 3.

    Let’s settle the question of them being pussies once and for all. Hey, after all, China was weak in the last century, maybe they’re even weaker now?

    Let’s go for it, I KNOW we WANT to!

  187. myself says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    We should be careful with words. I used “enemy” deliberately.

    When someone is clinically insane, out of control and simply out of touch with reality, then we can say “crazy”. Crazy people can be dangerous, sure.

    But when someone is fully in control of themselves, calculating and purposely wants to harm you, that person is your Enemy. The Enemy, those who are deliberately harmful and malicious, they are far more dangerous than the merely insane.

    The West is, at this point, the mortal Enemy of Russia. It is time Russia stopped living in their dream-world and realized this.

  188. myself says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    that is how crazy some of these people are. there is no other way to describe them. calling them as enemies would make them sane.

    Oh, they’re SANE alright. Very, very mentally stable. Ruthless, cunning, intelligent, and aiming for eternal, ultimate power, “forever and ever amen”.

    This is what makes them TRULY dangerous.

    When a drug-lord based in Mexico says he will murder your family, you had better take him with utmost seriousness. Either leave your home and disappear, or else show him not an ounce of mercy – kill him, torture his wife and maybe even . . . rape his dog. That is what you’re dealing with.

    The REAL problem I have with calling them “CRAZY” is a lot are under the lethal delusion that the enemy will somehow snap out of his insanity, that somehow a “MIRACLE” will occur and the enemy will realize his mistake.

    Well, I guarantee and assure you, he will NOT be “CURED” of his “INSANITY”. Because he was never insane. He means to destroy you – all you can do is destroy him in return.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  189. FB says:

    This is an absolutely ridiculous article…

    It starts off well enough…pointing out how the recent escalation of hysteria proves the delusional nature of the Western leadership along with its lapdog media and European vassals…

    But then the author veers off straight into disneyland…arguing that war with Russia is right around the corner unless China somehow steps in…

    This is about as asinine a thesis as could be imagined…

    This article proves to me that this author is still living in the 1990s…just like the delusional West that he criticizes…

    The reality is that the wheels are literally falling off the McChicken Empire…

    The defeat in Syria is now obvious and even Dump has seen the writing on the wall…hence his announcement that he intends to get the US out…

    Turkey has gone completely off the reservation…today Erdogan called Netanyahoo an ‘occupier’ and a ‘terrorist’ for the IDF sniper killings of Palestinian protesters…

    China has just slapped tit for tat tariffs on the US…the dollar is sinking while gold shoots up…

    And the really Big One…the petrodollar days are now numbered…the countdown has begun…

    And of course the author misses the most obvious part of all this hysteria…

    Words are just words…a screaming nutcase is just a screaming nutcase…the more he screams the more you realize he is actually capable of doing nothing…

    This simple rule of thumb is the key to observing the latest anti-Russia circus…the more they hyperventilate, the more you can relax and enjoy the comedy…

    The author here maintains his nonsensical idea that Syria could be a flashpoint and a likely attack vector for the McChicken Empire against Russia…[which he maintains is 'very vulnerable' there]…

    Let’s look at this more closely…because this thesis deserves to be thoroughly debunked…

    First…yes, the US nutcases [various neocons] and their EU and Nato sockpuppets in the political class do in fact want this very much…

    This is their wet dream…that the US, along with its Nato dwarfs, will come riding in on its big white high horse and sweep those pesky little Russkies out of Syria…

    Only problem is that the military men who actually hold the guns do not want any part of this…they know very well that it would be a disaster…sunken ships…destroyed airfields…many lives lost…and in the end…Russia still in Syria…

    Yes…that is the military reality…

    This author who is allegedly some kind of ‘military analyst’ plainly does not know what he is yapping about…

    ‘…In the Middle-East, the US and Israel now have free reign to start any war they want…’

    Reality check…

    Since the downing of the Israeli F16 by Syrian air defenses…Israel has not launched a single raid on Syria…even from outside Syrian airspace…

    That sounds more like Israel has been put in its place and is staying there quietly…finally, after a lot of patience by Putin…

    ‘…The Russian task force in Syria is tiny, at least compared to the immense capabilities of CENTCOM+NATO…’

    And based on this bit of silliness…which ignores the fact that Russia’s Southern Military District is exactly 844 nautical miles flight distance to Damascus…

    That’s a two hour hop at subsonic…and a one hour dash for the supersonic Russian heavy bombers…

    The Russian 3624th Air Base is in Yerevan, Armenia…a CSTO member…flight distance to Damascus…554 nautical miles…

    Let’s look at what just happened in the last month of heavy action in Syria…the SAA with the help of Russian Aerospace Forces launched Operation Damascus Steel to liberate the East Ghouta suburbs of Damascus from the bearded fanatics who have held this area for six years…the last major population center under the control of the West-backed fanatics…in this case largely the Jaish Al Islam group backed by KSA…

    At the start of the operation we saw the Western war of words go into hyperdrive…

    Direct threats were issued even by Dump that Syria would be hit by US cruise missiles…Russians or no Russians in the way…

    The ‘red line’ was of course the chemical weapons shenanigan…which is nothing but a running joke to any human with any common sense…

    These type of words were taken seriously…and answered quite adequately by Russian Chief of Staff General Gerasimov that any such attack would result in Russian retaliation…

    So what happened next…well…nothing…

    The Russians and SAA methodically cleaned out the fanatics in Ghouta…the last of the Jaish ‘rebels’ are as of today boarding buses and evacuating…

    The long and short of it…despite the hyperventilation from the ‘mighty Centcom’…Russia simply ignored this babble and went about its job…

    Today it is mission completed…

    Over 40,000 ‘rebels’ and their families have been bused out…over 150,000 civilian captives have rushed into the arms of the Syrian government…

    We note here the basic math…E. Ghouta with a population of 400,000 was being controlled by 40,000 ‘rebels’ and sympathizers…

    That’s one out of ten…clearly the 360,000 Syrian people there were being held hostage by the bearded fanatics that our leaders support and our media lionizes…

    That just goes to show how out of whack our delusional society has become…when plain facts hiding in plain view cannot be grasped by the multitudes…

    There is something very wrong with that picture…

    …and it does not bode well for the McChicken Empire that is unable or unwilling to separate reality from fantasy…

    Ghouta was the last nail in the coffin for the Syria project…that is why Dump now has the freedom to say ‘I told you so’ to the various basement crazies…and with the support of the men in uniform to get out of this crazy business…

    So why does this author ignore the obvious…?

    Why does he spin some incredible tale about a looming attack on Russia in Syria…[and which Russia could not hope to defend against the mighty Centcom]…?

    Ask yourself this question…

    Why would Putin…under competent advice from Gerasimov, Shoigu and the entire Russian military even go to Syria if they did not think they could hold it…if push came to shove…?

    That makes no sense…nobody would do that…

    Clearly push has not come to shove…the bluff has been called…the Russians have won…and Bob’s your Uncle…

    As for the demise of the McChicken Empire…there is no need for anybody to do anything…the best thing for anyone to do when he sees his adversary destroying himself…is to do precisely nothing…

    Do not get in the way…just let the madman tear himself to pieces…

    Both China and Russia realize this…eventually Europe will realize this also [signs of sanity breaking out...ie Nordstream 2] are already appearing…

    It is always more useful to look at actions not words…

  190. TT says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    You miss another 2 chess pieces, North Korea & Japan, which can add intense pressure to USM without actual war.

    China & Russia could easily help provide some ICBM for NK to lob near US water. Its cheapest way to force USM to move many assets immediately there without war, besides some PR ranting in UNSC.

    Another option is to challenge Japan in Diaoyu island, forcing large military build up. USM has to interfer with creditable size of assets if it wants to keep its influence over Japan. Then its deescalation talk…

    If USM failed to interfer, then it lost its credibility. China can take back its Diaoyu Island under their nose, next is Taiwan reunification while US tied down with Russia confrontation.

    And of course a sudden large trade war can easily destabilize US without a actual hot war, which US domestic has little tolerance when they feel the heat directly.

  191. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    This simple rule of thumb is the key to observing the latest anti-Russia circus…the more they hyperventilate, the more you can relax and enjoy the comedy…

    Or… you can understand that there’s no comedy and that outright imbeciles are in charge of your fate. I was always criticising Saker’s ridiculous claims that the enemy is “crazy” and “stupid”. No way that the idiotic “think-tanks” would be allowed to call the shots.

    Unfortunately, I was half-wrong and Saker was half-right.

  192. Sean says:
    @Dave Bowman

    The further east of the Elbe one goes the more backward the peoples become. Long known as a primitive but militarily powerful land inhabited by drunken wife beaters, Russia has contributed nothing to international relations. Diplomatic customs regarding neutrality, precedence, privileges, immunities, the diplomatic pouch, and diplomatic couriers were created by the Catholic church (Cardinals, Giulio Mazarino and Giulio Alberoni, and Pope Alexander VII). If Russia does not want to play by those Westphalian system rules, that is OK, but we reserve the right to revoke these privileges . And the UK is the most sought after posting, because every Russian wants to live in London, which is the problem for the FSB watching their people take Western money and live like every Russian aspires to (ie in the West). The British took a terrible revenge on Philby by leaving him alive in Muscovy.

  193. TT says:
    @utu

    If one like me who has little historical knowledge of China & Russia could see such situation, sure China think tank & its leaders could do better.

    But China wisdom likely believe a strong prosperous independent Russian neighbour is better for her longest border, as China sheer size is beyond Russia’s threat.

    Whereas faraway US UK Fr Nato addiction to poke their nose in everyone asses making all pain, China can live better without their love at its backyard.

  194. Sean says:
    @Dave Bowman

    This hour:

    Russian foreign minister claims UK using Skripal nerve gas attack as Brexit distraction

    I did not believe that the assassinations of pesky journalists and activists in Putin’s Russia were authorised by him, and I did not think he knew about Alexander Litvinenko before it happened. But after the attempt on Skirpal, Putin is out of plausible deniability. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care what happens in Russia. Putin clearly doesn’t care what the British think, and may even be trying to alienate the West. So be it.

  195. @Anonymous

    I tend to think we are not near genocidal destruction — certainly not anytime soon.

    We made a strategic mistake in Iraq. It is one of the few conflicts in which the US was essentially beaten – strategically. And attempting to make adjustments or covers is unlikely to make matters any better.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  196. TT says:
    @jilles dykstra

    With such insane migration policy assured to destroy a prosperous Germany, i would expect 80M signatures. 16000 signatures mean majority Germans really love these refugees dearly, hence the vote of approval to Merkel & fat welfare for 4wives refugees.

    What can EU gain from such massive import of poor refugees of absolutely different ideology & religion that in direct confrontation with Europeans? Even you got the cheapest labour & younger work force to compete, what’s good for European when your ruin country is no longer yours?

    Merkel should step down for sake of her country instead of succumb to ransom by US 5eyes prism who tapped her cell phone recording all her untold secrets.

    George Soros even went after the Israel top terrorist Nethanyahoo for trying to deport African muslim refugees. Its just absurd, what is there in Jewish Israel for these Muslims?

    May be i can speculate on:

    1) To ensure EU won’t overshadowed Anglozionist US in global influence, GDP & Euro-USD, the deep state decided to mess it up with Muslims migrants. Its Anglo kin & participants UK decided to press the button of Brexit before it got over flooded.

    2) Since Clinton time(Globalresearch: top aide of Hillary is daughter of Muslim Brotherhood founder/leader, large donor of Clinton’s fund) till Obama bte Hussein, ME Muslims have been bribing these corrupted politicians to flood the world with Muslims, starting from US & EU with war on Africa & ME.

    Obama is highly likely a Muslim asset elevated to Potus, and he simply won’t mention those ME suicide terrorists as Muslim even they are. Under him, massive Muslims migration done, ISIS is initiated and grew greatly. Those drone murdering & bombing of innocents are just show buzz.

    And Russia Putin in standing on their path to Muslimization of World with Syria war intervention, with Trumps surprising win & anti-migrants policy, so “they” orchestrated a war against Putin & Trumps.

  197. @NoseytheDuke

    Yes, it could. I didn’t mean to make them feel “less than”, as the psychotherapy participants would say.

  198. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    We made a strategic mistake in Iraq.

    Wrong. Iraq was demolished and weakened just like the (((masters))) planned.

    The only mistake lies in believing that the US goyim had their own strategy in the theatre.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @EliteCommInc.
    , @Erebus
  199. Parbes says:
    @forgottenpseudonym

    “All suggestions as to who should be included welcome.”

    Jewish neocon (Wolfowitz + ilk) and globalist liberal (Soros + ilk) scumbags should be at the top of such a list.

    However, for anything like this (which I agree would be effective) to happen, the Russian elites would have to drop their stupid “partners with the West” mindset first.

  200. @Anon

    Oh hey, an effort by the Taiwanese to stay relevant.

    Its adorable!

  201. @anonymous

    Totally stupid comment from an ” ignoramus ”
    Russian people has clearly understood that they will never be part of the “WEST “.
    And they are not americans, they don’t throw allies under the bus.
    It’s about commitment and honor.
    Not sure you can understand.

  202. Miro23 says:
    @Anonymous

    We made a strategic mistake in Iraq.

    Wrong. Iraq was demolished and weakened just like the (((masters))) planned.
    The only mistake lies in believing that the US goyim had their own strategy in the theatre.

    And that was the secondary target. The main one is Iran, and the strategically clueless US goyim are on track for a repeat multi-$ Trillion stumble into that one when they get the order.

  203. @Anonymous

    I was going to respond to this by actually suggesting some valuation of the grand strategic aims of interventionists. But instead let’s keep this simple.

    Iraq was not a threat prior to the invasion – certainly not to the US. I doubt the current risks of teetering to a civil war was the objective of US policy makers. As such despite our continued presence and the intervention of Iran she is more likely a threat regionally – than had we left her intact under Pres Hussein. While this may serve Israeli paranoia, it does not serve the agenda of the US.

    The US did have an agenda separate from that of Israel as does the agenda of interventionists for democracy and capital markets.rated.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  204. TT says:
    @anonymous

    As far as the chinese are concerned, you fellows are simply wealth worshipping pussies.

    Not really, if you ever read about Chinese old civilization, Taoism, Confucianism, and their heartedly embraced of Buddhism spread from India in ancient time, all are promoting on thrifty, generosity, hardworking, rightful accumulation of wealth, benevolent, social responsibility, patriotic, morality & high spiritual development. Never blind worshiping of wealth…

    Many Chinese i know are still having such high cultured values & morality, you can even see these obvious characteristics in Pres Xi, and in most of their older generation leaders Deng XP, Mao ZD, Sun YS, Zhou Enlai, Hu JT, etc., who work selflessly towards their people welfare and nation building according to their own believed ideology, never wealth worshipping.

    What you frequently see now is from West msm propaganda and also hundreds of million of poor rural Chinese elevated under break neck economic growth. They will eventually get cultivate back to their Chinese civilization.

    Even Chinese diaspora LKY who embraced Confucianism was quite a balance leader in Singapore wealth and quality development that most westerners & Japanese have admired.

    Which race do you think is better like yours, who never worship wealth?

    Even given these facts, I still support Putin because the current geopolitical circumstances has pitted him against the western Mordor. As long as the whites & their cousins fcuk each other up, and mostly leave us alone, I am okay with that.

    I think Pres Putin deserved high praise for one who are patriotic to protect Russia interest, yet still try his best to keep to international rules. And his treatmt of Muslims esp in Syria war is certainly much human than the West. Without Russia, ME Muslims will be in ISIS & Israel blood bathe now, with Sunni played against Shia.

    His penchant to be with White European Christian West is understandable, since Russians are actually that. But the West whites lead by Anglo-US UK don’t love proud Russians who refused to be subjugated. Other Europeans like French & Germans are actually ok with Russians.

    And i don’t agree who fcuk who is good, all are sons of their mothers whose family awaiting their safe return, like the killed Russian pilots and those Palestinian resisting Israelis invaders are touching many hearts. Its those greedy Western politicians & Gulf wahabhi that fcuk our children future & peace.

    • Replies: @FB
  205. FB says:
    @TT

    I think I speak for all the good people here when I say thank you for a very nice reply…[albeit to an asswipe who doesn't deserve to be responded to in any way...]

    You are absolutely right TT…

    There was an earlier and quite stupid discussion in this thread about how the Chinese are going to throw Russia under the bus…or vice versa…etc…

    This is projecting the bankrupt Western and Imperialist mindset onto Chinese and Russians…which mindset has no place in their respective cultures…

    ‘…Pres Xi, and in most of their older generation leaders…who work selflessly towards their people welfare and nation building according to their own believed ideology, never wealth worshiping…’

    Absolutely correct…the Chinese were never about the idea of using your fellow man to gain advantage…

    The Ming dynasty in the 15′th century had the means to take over the entire ‘unexplored’ world…Africa…Australia…the Americas…with ships 120 meters long…the largest of Columbus’ three ships [Santa Maria] could have easily been parked sideways on the deck of one of explorer Zheng He’s massive ships…

    But the Chinese did not try to colonize Africa, nor anybody…nor take anything from anybody…this is entirely the Western Imperialist invention of evil…the exploitation of your fellow man…

    The world has suffered for 500 years under the rampaging ideology of the West…actually 700 years if we start with the English rape and colonization of Ireland…

    Thankfully this system is coming to an end…we can all be quite grateful to see that in our lifetimes…there will be no big empire to replace this monstrosity of evil…the Chinese do not want it…nor the Russians…

    All they want is a fair deal…

    Dump is now starting a trade war with China because he says they’re ‘cheating’…

    But who has been cheating China for the last 150 years…it has been only 20 years that china got its Hong Kong back…and still waiting for Formosa…which the US holds onto as a possession…

    Who is cheating whom…?

    Today China through backbreaking hard work by millions of people…and selfless and determined leadership has become a role model for the world in many ways…

    ‘…all are sons of their mothers whose family awaiting their safe return, like the killed Russian pilots and those Palestinian resisting Israelis invaders are touching many hearts…’

    Exactly…life is not about screwing someone over…but about reaching out with a helping hand…

    Our entire planet is in huge trouble…danger even…our most majestic big cats are nearing extinction due to habitat loss…

    An even bigger catastrophe could be in the making with the massive poisoning of our planet…we are seeing today an unprecedented demise of the insect population across the planet…

    Whatever else may or may not happen with our environment this is enough to destroy our species and many others…the bottom of the food chain is the foundation our entire ecosystem…lose that and we lose the food chain…it’s as simple as that…the combined biomass of the insect world greatly exceeds that of humans…

    Meanwhile we have a never ending stream of complete morons here yapping about how China is going to screw over Russia or vice versa…what a bunch of stupid idiots…

    • Replies: @TT
  206. Brewer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    What we know about Skripal/Steele raises some possibilities.
    In the early 1990s, Skripal was recruited as an agent for MI6 by Pablo Miller. Miller’s MI6 controller under diplomatic cover in Moscow at this time was Christopher Steele. We know they have remained in contact – Miller visits Skripal regularly and works for Orbis (Christopher Steele’s outfit).

    Smell anything?

    Steele, of course, was the author of the dodgy dossier that targeted Trump based on his Russian activities. Skripal, who is a bit short of the readies, wanted to go back to Russia – had made application to do so.

    Getting a whiff?

    Could it be that what Skripal knows about the dossier could fetch a tidy price in Russia or win him a measure of forgiveness?

    Certain parties would consider that inconvenient.

  207. @Anon

    What are you filled with?

  208. Johnj says:

    Does Saker understand that war is war. If the US starts it by attacking Russia in Syria then Russia has no choice but to start shooting and that means sinking ships in the Mediterranean and elsewhere.

    Russia cannot avoid war once it is thrust on them. Apparently Saker has been intimidated because he fears personal death. The idea that Russia should pull its punches is wishful thinking.

    Saker better pray that MAD will save us all. He also better get used to the idea that Congress will declare war on Russia once Russia responds to an attack in Syria. Well that will be a jolly war involving Iran and China when they are involved by the US. “We must not fear anything beyond our control is we wish to prevail.”

  209. @Fran Macadam

    So refreshing to hear a clear mind, even it is completely empty.

  210. TT says:
    @anonymous

    For all muslims, the Uyghurs quest will always be fighting for freedom from you godless heathens.

    In other words, no matter how much you succeed in this world, your kind will mostly remain the spiritually godless capital-L losers, you have been for millennia.

    From what i read, Turks arent Xinjiang native Muslim Hui, but a West nomadic trides that invaded & still bend to exterminate all Hui & Hans. And Hui are peaceful Muslims living happily with China minority aids. Its those Muslim extremists Turks that are doing all the killings in your god name, that you cherish as freedom fighters.

    History is Mongols after invaded China, also took Xinjiang. Then Manchus invaded China again, and took Tibets. So both lands become part of china historically, not of Chinese Hans choice.

    If all Muslims really think like what you have said, then Kurds should justify to slaughter all Turks and established a Kurdistan in Turkey? So are all other religions living in Muslim majority countries should all start slaughtering all Muslims in name of freedom fighters for independent?

    Israel jews in their god name should also rightfully slaughter all ME Muslims to establish greater Israel?

    Hence all countries, West or Asia & India should exterminate all Muslims to get rid of all parasitic Muslims who justify terrorism & secession in every land they set foot?

    Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippine, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Russia Chechen, Balkan, China, Africa… are all facing similar Muslim terrorists secession & attacks. But why nothing happen in US, EU, Canada, NZ, Oz, UK or elsewhere who have substantial Muslims too? Its not coincident but of CIA-Saudi wahabism instigation & funded operations.

    Saudi MBS just admitted in an US interview, its US pushing Saudi to spread & fund Wahabism to the world during cold war, then after SU dismantled continue to use it for geopolitics which form ISIS & Al Queda. You are one of their good foot soldier now.

    Then the world should said as long the West is slaughtering the Muslims in ME & Africa, the Sunni extremists is killing Shias, let them fcuk among themselves we are all ok?

    The world can never has peace with people thinking like you. We should promote peace, denounce terrorism in any form and believe in peace loving religion only.

    Im glad China leaders embraced communism without god instead of your blood thirsty wahabhi Muslim, otherwise its total disaster for the world & my country who has quite a substantial Muslims minority.

    • Agree: FB
  211. @EliteCommInc.

    The Yinon Plan. The US did as it was instructed to do, by its Israel Firster “citizens”.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  212. @myself

    nope they are not sane. sane people would know eating 200 nukes = the end of usa, not just a minor set back of 20 years max.

    that is not sanity.

    people who don’t fear MAD is insane.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  213. @Intelligent Dasein

    The Church has a dual nature. It is both good and evil. You cannot close your eyes to the fact and remain intelligent. All churches are that way, because all churches control money and people. The Pope, the cardinals, the bishops are billionaires just like Soros. The Popes have spilt as much blood as any tyrant. The Knightly Orders are the Pope’s Wehrmacht. Unfortunately that is the way it is. The Crusades were not an attack on Islam they were an attack on a rival Christianity. The Crusaders slaughtered Orthodox Christians in Jerusalem. That was not a mistake. It was part of the design. The Teutonic Knights were the Pope’s way of creating misery and disorder in the Baltics and Poland. Self Deception is self destruction.

  214. Erebus says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrong…

    No, it is you who is wrong.
    Iraq’s destruction was the means to the strategic goal of gaining control over it, as a stepping stone towards the greater strategic goal of controlling Iran.

    As your “(((masters)))” well knew, destruction is not enough. They needed control of the territory and/or resources to maintain the Empire. They didn’t get it. As can be seen, Iraq, Syria, and eventually Libya will recover from their physical destruction, but will almost certainly will be under quite different control from what “the (((masters))) planned“.

    Their strategic failure/blunder lay in the fact that they wound up yielding their strategic goals to their “competitors”. They had no idea about “nation building” and so opened the door for those who do.

    It will be Russia (& eventually China) who will reap the strategic rewards of the Americans’ destruction of those countries. Russia’s stature in the M.E. and internationally has already benefited immeasurably precisely because it understood and acted effectively on the strategic opportunity that presented itself with “the masters” failure.

  215. TT says:
    @Anon

    That’s what China is anticipating, a domino effect. More poodles announcement of solidarity coming soon with West intense pressure working round the clock.

    NZ PM was forced to declare no expelled Russian diplomats allowed entry to NZ under Oz PM Turnbull pressure.

    Most countries can’t resist such powerful US, UK, Fr, Germany & Nato overwhelming threat long, soon all will succumb to expel Russia diplomats & closed its embassies.

    Asean, ME, Latin America, Africa all are too weak to resist without China forceful voice & open support to quickly team them up.

    Jp, SK & India will sway with the West wind. By then, Russia is totally isolated by the world like NK(a precedent Russia & China allowed unwisely).

    If this work for Russia, then Iran, Venezuela, Cuba & Syria are all next easy targets. China will be left alone to fight the hedgmon team, its game over. China forsee the global fire from the Russia smoke.

    Yet some silly Russians are still thinking this is nothing serious compare to Olympics game without seeing the very serious aftermath implication. Even trying to advocate China’s threat to Russia.

    So is the Muslim anonymous, wet dreaming after Lily white Russian & money worshiping Chinese pussy are defeated, they will have sweet lives under the West, and their ISIS freedom fighters shall slave them kindly with Syriah laws to have all virgins awaiting them in heaven.

  216. TT says:
    @FB

    Juz hope both Russians & Chinese could see the situation clearly that they are now a team in a cage fight with West hedgmon. If they want to walk out alive, don’t ever think of resting or sacrificing another interest.

    After winning, there are still much to do, cleaning up Monsanto toxic GMO & weed killer contaminated land & water resources, climate & seas pollution, BRI, clean energy, sustainable agri, etc.

    Im placing my hope in Pres Xi & Putin, the only 2 sane leaders with steel wills & ability to fight evil hedgmon with no respite. If US goes full hot war with Russia and trade war with China concurrently, without EU, Jp, Korea jumping in, then it will be a spectacular suicide for murkans.

  217. @NoseytheDuke

    I would buy this if not for one little detail. The west and the US have been manipulating the various religious and social configurations of the Middle east since they ventured into the region.

    And thus far, the manufactured societies, despite conflicts remain in place and that despite western military involvement and again manipulation. I don’t deny that the Yinion Plan as I read, was not considered along with previously established grand strategies to tackle communism. But the retraction of communism did not result in a break-up of middle eastern states, despite the cobbling by the French and the British as claimed.

  218. While I would be the last one to deny that the US may be in a precarious strategic stage, whether she admits or not. Anyone thinking she is dead or out, is singing her death very prematurely.

  219. @FB

    ” But then the author veers off straight into disneyland…arguing that war with Russia is right around the corner ”

    I hope you’re right, but many on the European side of the Atlantic have quite other ideas, that the May spectacle is comparable to Sept 11, this time for a war in Europe, of which idiots as Bolton think they’ll not feel the consequences themselves.
    Missile defence systems do not interfere with more than some 90% of missiles, what just has been demonstrated in Syria and in Saudi Arabia.
    160 missiles on the USA, each with four of five atomic warheads, not much will be left of the USA.
    One missile, more radiaton than Fukushisma.
    And possiby far more, if Putin is not boasting of new missiles whose trajectory cannot be calculated, as they take evasive action.
    But maybe, I hope, when the war idiots in the west begins, Putin begins with a demonstration, sending say 20 missiles to a hunderd miles east of New York.
    This maybe brings the idiots to their senses.

  220. TT says:
    @FB

    And based on this bit of silliness…Russia’s Southern Military District is exactly 844 nautical miles flight distance to Damascus…

    The Russian 3624th Air Base is in Yerevan, Armenia…554 nautical miles…

    Yet the Russians did nothing to save hundreds of SAA embeded with many Russia specialist & advisors when US Nato airforce pounded them for hours, slaughtering everyone right under Russia S400 umbrella & RuAF nose.

    Not a single SAM is fired nor RuAF interfered for that long was enough signal to USM. Its free buffet, finish ‘em off.

    Russia even told a awkward joke that no Russian soldier was harmed except some civilian Russians happen to be there themselves for unknown reason.(RT)

    And this come right after Israel F16 shot down in name of SAA. USM don’t give a damn.

    But why USM didn’t make good to attack SAA in Ghouta, with TONNES of highly toxic Chemical weapons prepared?

    A deal had been striked; let every USM advisors & terrorists left without exposing their despising collaboration. Another Aleppo classic case.

    RuArmy: USM is sending heavy assets to their Syria bases & Jordan new airfield now, that’s very alarming, not a sign of departure.(RT)

    Saker has seen valid potential of further escalation, with Macron just declared France full military involvement, and Russia refusal to precisely declare; it will strike USM if under attack.(as advised by Paul Crag R)

    To have a low ranking 1*BG declaring it will take appropriate action on projectiles & launchers is far from a creditable warning, much weaker than last few stern warnings issued directly from a field senior general that got himself killed by mortar. Nothing will happen, USM know by trial.

    Will China escalate trade war and open another front to help release pressure for RuA in Syria?

    From the way China handle last South China Seas & Doklam confrontation, they are probably doing lot of networking to counter the diplomatic isolation now, & a full military preparation to confront at their chosen time.

    If US control ME hence oil supplies, Petrol Yuan is useless, BRI is blocked, China rise & dream is dashed. Lot of horse trading this year to watch.

    • Replies: @FB
  221. annamaria says:

    The sanctimonious fools have attracted attention to their documented crimes.
    “It’s Not Russia, America’s Unspoken Program of “Political Assassinations,” by Eric Sommer: https://www.globalresearch.ca/its-not-russia-americas-unspoken-program-of-political-assassinations/5634333
    “Unmentioned in mass media discussions of the Skirpal affair has been the previous public support for the assassination of Edward Snowden in Russia by officials of the U.S. government and Congress members… Far more serious than the threats against Snowden are the daily assassinations carried out by the U.S. government. By definition, assassination is politically motivated murder, the intentional killing of one or more individuals without any impartial judicial process which includes the right of defense.
    The assassins employed by the U.S.government are housed in a government building in the U.S. and supplied with weekly ‘kill lists’. The assassins weapons of choice are ‘drones’, pilotless military aircraft, which they control remotely from their computers… Under Obama there were 563 ‘strikes’ in Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan and other countries- aka 563 assassinations – carried out from lists supplied by him and his circle of advisors.
    The targeted individuals are referred to as ‘terrorists’, though many of them are simply members of resistance groups or verbal opponents of U.S. military occupations of their countries. No court has found them guilty of any crime. They are simply placed on the ‘kill lists’ by the U.S. president or other high officials.”

  222. Kiza says:
    @FB

    Well FB, your write up is simply laughable when observed from the stand-point of history. The history of wars is the history of bungling on all sides. Worst of all is how the Europeans, the most “rational” of all, got into wars. I would agree with you if I were looking at rational leaders everywhere around, but instead I have to decide if we are lead by cheap, cheap idiots or by suicidal psychopaths. Has it occurred to you, for example, that Theresa May has no children and almost nothing to lose? And I have never seen a supposedly female who looks like a spitting image of Count Dracula.

    Totally contrary to your assertions, if someone were to assert that we are all lead by lizard aliens (with Putin being the only human being), who would rush to their space ships at the first sign of a global nuclear war they successfully initiated, I would readily accept that as a best explanation for our current predicament. Yet, if someone were to assert that Zionist Jews are lizard aliens, I would accept that too.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @FB
  223. Kiza says:
    @Kiza

    OT, but is there a better example of the lizard alien from outer space then the deputy PM of Israel Michael Oren, who after Israeli snipers massacred 18 unarmed Palestinian protesters officially claims:

    Michael Oren, for one, the deputy minister in the Prime Minister’s Office who is responsible for diplomacy, said Israel was patently unprepared for the crisis on the diplomatic and media battlefield, and that the word he was getting from abroad was that the Israeli narrative is losing “big time” to the Palestinian narrative.

    We, the humans are truly faced with an epic battle for the salvation of our planet from such hostile lizard extra-terrestrials. It is us or them.

  224. Saudi Oil Tanker Hit In Houthi Missile Attack Off Yemen

    Okay, so I want to know: where are the Houthi getting these missiles? This doesn’t seem like cheap terrorist crap or improvised weaponry.

    • Replies: @Randal
  225. Randal says:
    @Quartermaster

    and he got a bunch of his people killed testing US defenses and resolve in Syria. Yeah, they were from Wagner, but I think the lesson got through.

    This would appear to be pure delusional fantasy on your part:

    The Truth About the Russian Deaths in Syria

    Small wonder your overall world-view is so far moved from reality, when it is built out of such imaginary stuff.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @FB
  226. Randal says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Okay, so I want to know: where are the Houthi getting these missiles? This doesn’t seem like cheap terrorist crap or improvised weaponry.

    On the contrary – no ship was sunk and the report refers to minor damage, apparently to an oil carrier. It isn’t clear whether a Saudi tanker or military ship was targeted (either would be legitimate military targets, of course – just don’t expect any US sphere media to admit as much), and there’s no information I’ve yet seen that would suggest this missile was anything more sophisticated than the missiles Yemen has been using to date to attack land targets – leftover military stockpiles and improvised replacements.

    If Yemen were getting more sophisticated anti-ship missiles, I’d have expected them to have sunk something with a cruise missile in this attack, rather than just lightly damaged something with a “ballistic” missile.

  227. Talha says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    And it is not just a destruction of the US – there is a very, very good chance that Europe and Anglo-states like Canada and Australia will have their metropolitan cities targeted (even Istanbul – since the Turks have some of the closest nuclear warheads to be deployed against Russia). The first world will be in complete shambles and then the rest of the world (depending on their location and lifestyle) will pay a massive price.

    I posted this before, but this gentleman has researched fallout situations from nuclear exchange for over three decades. He states that even a local exchange between sub-prime nuclear powers like Pakistan and India could throw up debris and smoke across the sky that would result in crop failures even in Europe:

    As Astuteobservor mentioned – it is insane, and – I would add – criminally irresponsible, as there is no other way to put it. This is not a video game folks – you don’t get to press reset. If people around here value the White race as much as they say they do, you better damn well figure out a way to pull back from the brink…because people like the Orang Asli and the Tuareg and the Yemenis might not see a significant change in their lives but you can pretty much kiss most of the White race goodbye. And the rest of the world will laugh at the notions of the “superior intelligence” of a people that spent the last few centuries literally surpassing everyone in the material and scientific world but decided to mutually blast it to kingdom come in a single day because they couldn’t figure out any other option. Too bad Shakespeare’s not here; he would have immortalized it in a fine play.

    Peace.

  228. @Vidi

    China is already on the way to being the #1 exporter to Europe and the #1 importer from Europe. When the One Belt One Road rail lines and highways are completed from China to Berlin and other cities in Europe, China will be the number one trading partner, in both directions, of every single country in western and central Europe.

  229. We came ‘to let US know’ about close military ties with Russia – Chinese defense minister in Moscow

    They quoted Global Times as well – it should be noted that Global Times is not actually “very official”(that is People’s Daily); its more of a tabloid that is state-funded but usually represents the most extreme nationalistic members in the Party. Its editorials can be considered as somewhat fringe, and do not necessarily represent the Chinese government any more than RT editorials necessarily represent the Russian government. They might represent the thinking of the military establishment in China, however.

    However, it does seem that those views have become the majority. My understanding is that the Chinese UN representative asked the British representative for information of the Novichok poisoning in private and became provoked, suggesting that the evidence was flimsy and somehow insulting.

  230. FB says:
    @TT

    Oops…I just realized I have been talking to a potatohead all this time…

    ‘…To have a low ranking 1*BG declaring it will take appropriate action on projectiles & launchers is far from a creditable warning…’

    General Valery Gerasimov happens to be the Russian military Chief of Staff…equivalent to Gen Joseph Dunford the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs…

    The number one man in the military…not some ‘low-ranking’ Brig. General…

    Maybe you missed the reality train…

    ‘…Top Russian officials have threatened to retaliate with force if President Donald Trump orders an attack that could endanger the lives of its soldiers stationed there in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s campaign against rebels and jihadis near Damascus…’

    That was on March 13…

    The same day Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov repeated the warning…

    ‘…The consequences of a new US strike on Syria, the possibility of which was stated in the UN Security Council by United States Permanent Representative Nikki Haley, will be very serious, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Tuesday.

    “If a new strike of this kind takes place, the consequences will be very serious,” Russia’s top diplomat stressed…’

    Here is the Gerasimov briefing to the Russian General Staff…

    Do you notice the setting…?

    Do you notice all the generals there [not 'one BG' as potatothead TT claims]…listening to Gerasimov as he tells the US to back off…?

    Note Gen Gerasimov’s comments directed at the US at the 2:50 mark of the video…

    ‘…In the event of threats toward our service members, Russian armed forces will take countermeasures, both on the missiles and the carriers that launch them…’

    I don’t mind entertaining a decent argument…but to not even know basic facts inexcusable….

    ‘…Yet the Russians did nothing to save hundreds of SAA embeded [sic] with many Russia specialist & advisors when US Nato airforce pounded them for hours, slaughtering everyone right under Russia S400 umbrella & RuAF nose…’

    I assume here that you are yapping about the US air attack on the pro-government forces on Feb 8…

    ‘…Syrian state news agency SANA described the action as an “aggression” by the coalition against “popular forces” who were fighting ISIS and the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces…’

    You notice the first fact stated by the Syrian government news agency that these were not SAA troops…but pro-government irregulars…and later we learned also some Russian mercenaries…

    Now you are making stupid noises about why Russians didn’t take down those US jets on behalf of some militia and mercenaries that are not even operating under SAA command…?

    That is clearly potatothead territory…

    For anyone who has been paying attention to the details of the Syrian war the situation in the Euphrates valley is particularly complex and very little hard info can be verified…it is the classic fog of war scenario…

    So there is no point in making flat statements about this particular incident…we actually know very little…

    Let’s look at what has been going on in the Euphrates valley over the last year or so…

    Last year the SAA lifted the siege of Deir Ezzor city…and then proceeded to retake the rest of the towns all the way south along the west bank of the Euphrates to the Iraqi border…

    At the same time…the US supported SDF made lightning advances on the east side of the river…taking the key oil and gas fields…which were held by ISIS and Arab tribes working with them…

    Clearly a deal was struck and the Russians officially leveled accusations backed by surveillance footage of the SDF just waltzing in there and taking over without a shot fired…

    ‘…On Sunday, the Russian Ministry of Defense (Russian MoD) revealed in an official statement that US Special Operations Forces units enabled the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to smoothly advance through ISIS formations in Deir Ezzor governorate…’


    That was in Sept of 2017…and the map shows US military positions in the middle of ISIS units…

    ‘…The shots clearly show the US SOF units located at strongholds that had been equipped by the ISIS terrorists…there is no evidence of assault, struggle or any US-led coalition airstrikes to drive out the militants…’

    Clearly the Russians saw this as dirty pool…

    The previous month Brett McGurk‏, Special Presidential Envoy for the US-led coalition against ISIS, posted this on his twitter…

    …showing a meeting with Arab tribes in Euphrates valley…

    Only problem was that these same Sheikhs were working with ISIS…as twitter users quickly connected the faces…

    We see here the ‘before’ picture of this Sheikh sitting under an ISIS flag…and the ‘after’ picture’ shaking hands with McGurk…

    Here’s another ISIS Sheikh in before and after…

    But that’s just the beginning of the story of the Euphrates valley, the oil fields, ISIS and the SDF…

    Let’s go back to the above-linked CNN report of the US airstrikes against the pro-Syrian forces…specifically as to where this took place…

    ‘…The coalition said the attack took place in Khusham in the Middle Euphrates River Valley, five miles east of the agreed-on “de-confliction” line designed to separate Russian-backed regime troops and US-backed forces in Syria…’

    Where is ‘Kusham’ and why is that important here…?

    We see on this map of Oct 19 last year that Khusham is on east [US claimed] side of the river…and close to the Tabiyeh oil field…it is just across the river from Deir Ezzor and is one of the few places on the east side of the river that the SAA managed to take before the US could get there with its ISIS wheeling and dealing…[SAA territory shown in red on map]

    Do you see the dots lining up yet…?

    That same day, Oct 19…we had rumors of the SDF agreeing to hand over Tabiyeh to the Syrian government…

    Three months later we have the US bombing Syrian militia at this exact same spot…

    So let’s step back for a minute…those lands in the Euphrates valley are Arab tribal lands…the Kurds were never there…their territory being far to the east near the Turkish frontier…

    We see above where the Kurds territory is…a small fraction of the entire area east of the Euphrates that the SDF now holds…

    So what do we have here…?

    We see the US midwifing a ‘Kurdish’ entity comprising the entire area east of the Euphrates…and joining up the previously ISIS affiliated Arab tribes in the area with the Kurds…

    And to add to all this…we even have Syrian government affiliated Arab tribes that want nothing to do with either the Kurds, the US, nor ISIS…

    In this particular geographic area that is one of the most powerful tribes…the Al Bakara tribe…which reportedly defected from the SDF last November…

    That February US airstrike that potatohead TT claims killed SAA…in fact resulted in the deaths of many Al Bakara tribe members…

    ‘…While the U.S. claimed “100 pro-regime fighters” were killed in the attack, a Syrian military source reported that approximately 25-30 tribal fighters were dead and many more severely wounded by the Coalition assault.

    According to the military source, the pro-government forces that were attacked by the U.S. Coalition were members of the large Al-Bakara tribe, who have fought the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) in the Euphrates River Valley for years.

    Besides fighting the Islamic State, the Al-Baraka tribesmen are also from the Euphrates River Valley and considered locals.

    The U.S. alleged that the tribesmen had carried out a large attack against the Coalition-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) near the imperative town of Khasham in northeast Deir Ezzor.

    However, the attack was believed to be minuscule and possibly accidental because the tribesmen often search the eastern bank of the Euphrates for potential Islamic State hideouts and sleeper cells…’

    A report from SouthFront two days after the attack…

    ‘…Contradicting reports are circulating about the February 7 strikes of the US-led coalition on government forces in the province of Deir Ezzor.

    According to some US military officials quoted by the mainstream media, over 100 pro-Assad fighters were killed in the strikes. Syrian media activists say that 25 government fighters were killed and about 50 others injured. According to the February 8 statement of the Russian Defense Ministry, 25 people were injured in the attack.

    Meanwhile, the Arab al-Bakara tribe announced in an official statement that dozens of its members were killed in the coalition strikes. The statement added that al-Bakara is ready to fight ISIS, the SDF and the US-led coalition.

    The situation revealed the high level of tensions existing in the Euphrates Valley region. These tensions may be used by ISIS to resume its terrorist activities in the area…’

    So I have gone to great lengths here to refute a potatohead statement that is mocking Russia for not launching S400s to take down US warplanes conducting a murky raid in a murky situation that has very little to do with the official Syrian military…never mind Russia…

    Talk about nonsense…

    My advice to potatohead TT…

    ‘…next time try to get basic facts before you start popping off…’

    • Replies: @TT
  231. FB says:
    @Kiza

    ‘…Well FB, your write up is simply laughable when observed from the stand-point of history…’

    Not worth responding to a fact-free, content-free ‘comment’…

    You are obviously mentally handicapped…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  232. @Randal

    Your point is unclear. Are you saying none of the information in the article from Der Spiegel you linked to is reliable?

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @FB
  233. Svigor says:

    But I still think you’re casting too a wide a net. The Zionist conspiracy is real, with a history stretching back to antiquity. But the vast majority of Jews are not conspirators. Don’t forget the gentile Zionists like John Bolton, Dick Cheney, and the seedy, captured Clintons.

    Zionism is yet another problem of elites.

    This is just catering to Jewish power. Nobody tiptoes around anyone else like this. If a minority of Anglo-Saxons did it, then the Anglo-Saxons did it. If the British Empire did it, then the British did it. “Whites gave infected blankets to Indians.” Suddenly the hemming and hawing starts when Jews did it, though.

  234. @FB

    I don’t see how he’s necessarily wrong in theory.

    Fundamentally, wars are always sourced from a mistake in some way or another. We can just play a simple visualization game where you lead a tribe A and I lead a tribe B. I have something you want, let’s call it Unobtanium.

    Now, you may choose to get Unobtanium by attacking me. If I know that you are militarily superior in every way, then my rational option is not to resist, but rather to surrender so as long as what you want is simply the Unobtanium. In doing so, I can conserve my human and capital resources and deploy them elsewhere. The opportunity cost of resisting is 1)loss of my human and capital resources, 2)rationalization for you to inflict even further damage upon my tribe, and 3)loss of Unobtanium anyway. By surrendering, I am in the best possible position despite the net negative.

    On the other hand, if I know that through resistance, I will inflict enough damage upon you that it will exceed the value of the Unobtanium you can gain, then I should rationally resist. This will invite substantial degradation to my resources, but it will also make it below the threshold of gain for you.

    We see this in biology: male animals do not usually fight tooth and nail to the death. Most fighting done is through display – kangaroos fight for control of the harem, and the weaker kangaroo flees, relatively healthy. The victor gains control of the resource, while the loser stays alive to try to claim some other harem.

    Vicious wars result when this calculation fails. If I overestimate my ability to resist, and you attack, then my tribe will result in a futile resistance effort. As a result, I will suffer a net negative and be completely destroyed. If you overestimate your ability to win, this also results in a net negative for both of us in your expenditure of blood and treasure, and further failing to gain Unobtanium. Even without, for example, a counterattack from me, this means that your position is weaker than in the beginnning.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Kiza
    , @AaronB
    , @myself
  235. Randal says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Your point is unclear.

    No it isn’t. But you knew that.

    Are you saying none of the information in the article from Der Spiegel you linked to is reliable?

    Obviously not. But you knew that as well, given your ability to write basically coherent simple sentences in English, and what that implies about your reading comprehension (it’s good enough to read reasonably uncomplicated news media articles).

    If you have a point to make, make it. Don’t play stupid games.

  236. FB says:
    @Randal

    Thanks for that Spiegel investigation into what exactly happened in February with those US strikes against pro-Syrian fighters on the east bank of the Euphrates…

    The Spiegel investigation largely confirms what I have been able to piece together using various internet sources…and which I presented in my comment #236…

    ‘…A team of DER SPIEGEL journalists spent two weeks interviewing both witnesses to, and participants in, the battle.

    The team also spoke to a staff member at the only hospital in Deir ez-Zor as well as an employee of the local military airport in an attempt to get a clear picture of exactly what took place during the three-day battle.

    The accounts largely corroborate each other and the image of events that emerges is one that contradicts what has been reported in the Russian and international media…’

    ‘…At 5 a.m. on Feb. 7, around 250 fighters south of Deir ez-Zor attempted to cross from the west bank of the Euphrates to the east using a military pontoon bridge.

    They included members of the militias of two tribes, the Bekara and the Albo Hamad, who are fighting for Assad’s regime with Iranian backing, soldiers of the 4th Division as well as Afghan and Iraqi fighters with the Fatimiyoun and Zainabiyoun brigades, which are under Iranian command.

    A soldier with the 4th Division recounted that the units had spent a week gathering on the property of the military airport. Witnesses say that no Russian mercenaries took part in the attempted crossing…’

    ‘…It was primarily the second night-time attack from the village of Tabiya that triggered the American paroxysm, said two men belonging to the al-Baqir militia of the Bekara tribe.

    Because in addition to the deconfliction line, there was also a second agreement which allowed up to 400 pro-Assad fighters, who remained on the east side of the Euphrates following the 2017 battle against Islamic State, to remain.

    At least as long as their weren’t more than 400 of them and they remained peaceful. But exactly that was no longer the case…’

    The Spiegel article goes on to explain how this murky and unfortunate incident has been misrepresented and played up for propaganda purposes on all sides…

    For anyone to claim that Russia should have taken down those US aircraft involved in this skirmish is insane…

    • Replies: @Randal
  237. FB says:
    @Johnny Rico

    ‘…Your point is unclear. Are you saying none of the information in the article from Der Spiegel you linked to is reliable?..’

    What a fantastic moron you are…

    What exactly is ‘unclear’…?

    Try reading the article…

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  238. What exactly is wrong with you?

    I was being completely sincere. I wouldn’t waste my time playing games here.

    I posed my question because you used redundant hyperbole – “pure delusional fantasy” – to insult Quartermaster and then linked to an article that 1) has slight issues with impartial objectivity 2) is titled “The Truth..” and yet details how the truth in this event is a ridiculous concept and yet 3) seems to verify Quartermaster’s claims – the same claims you take issue with.

    But you don’t see that.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Randal
  239. @FB

    Why would suggest to a moron that he read the article that he is talking about? Don’t you have enough to type about?

    You do not know what happened in Syria. You do not know what happened in the Skripal case. It is all speculation. You don’t know any more than Randal and The Saker. Which is nothing.

    Stop playing.

  240. Randal says:
    @FB

    You’re very welcome. It’s the most plausible account I’ve yet seen, and so far I’ve been given no reason to doubt it in any major aspects, and there’s no clear reason why Spiegel would want to slant the story in that direction – quite the contrary if anything.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  241. FB says:
    @Johnny Rico

    ‘…linked to an article that 1) has slight issues with impartial objectivity 2) is titled “The Truth..” and yet details how the truth in this event is a ridiculous concept and yet 3) seems to verify Quartermaster’s claims…’

    OK moron boy…since you are not here to ‘play games’…then I will take this bait that you are offering up here…

    Please go ahead and explain just exactly how the Spiegel article…

    1…has issues with impartial objectivity [talk about redundant usage]…

    2…verifies Quarterpounder’s gas eruption…

  242. Randal says:
    @Johnny Rico

    I posed my question because you used redundant hyperbole – “pure delusional fantasy” – to insult Quartermaster and then linked to an article that 1) has slight issues with impartial objectivity 2) is titled “The Truth..” and yet details how the truth in this event is a ridiculous concept and yet 3) seems to verify Quartermaster’s claims – the same claims you take issue with.

    I assume you are being wilfully obtuse here – still playing stupid games, in other words.

    No honest reader could interpret anything in the Spiegel article as remotely “verifying” or even vaguely supporting anything about Quartermaster’s claim, which was a fairly standard US sphere Russophobic anti-Putin fantasy about “Putin getting a bunch of his people killed testing US defenses and resolve in Syria”. The Spiegel article describes what is best interpreted as a light probe using mostly local militia forces by the Syrian government in which the only Russian forces involved were some mercenaries who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught a US bombardment. Frankly I don’t believe you are stupid enough to confuse the two, which is why I assume dishonesty. Quartermaster on the other hand might just be deluded enough to believe it.

    There are no particularly evident issues with “impartial objectivity” in the Spiegel article – far less than in the average piece of mainstream news media “investigative reporting”. And there is no apparent reason to expect any. If Spiegel has a bias that relates here, it is an establishment leftist anti-Putin one that would tend to incline it to rather make Quartermaster’s case than the one its article makes.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  243. FB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I’m not interested in discussing kangaroo harems right now…

    If you have an actual coherent thought about my comment at #194…

    …I will be glad to engage…

  244. FB says:

    ‘…If Spiegel has a bias that relates here, it is an establishment leftist anti-Putin one…’

    I agree…

    I would note that…based on information I pieced together in my comment #236…

    …that the Spiegel article perhaps leaves out some obvious conclusions…

    The main one being this question…

    Who was the intended target of this raiding party that crossed the River…?

    We know that the Al Bakara tribe is local to this area and they have been fighting ISIS there for years…

    Could it be that they were after ISIS sleeper cells that just by coincidence happen to be very close to the US SDF positions…?

    Certainly the Bakara tribe would have a beef with that cozy arrangement…

    We note also from the Spiegel article that the agreement with the US is that SAA can have 400 men at Kushum…literally cheek by jowl with the US SDF base right there…

    As Spiegel makes clear the Russian mercs were not part of the raiding party that crossed the river…they were there legitimately in Kushum…they just happened to get caught up when the battle broke out there…

    So we ask ourselves…why didn’t Spiegel ask this question in all their interviews…?

    Who were the Bakara and their fellow fighters going after…?

    Certainly as I showed in my previous comment the history in that patch of land right there has been contentious for months…as the US with McGurk directly coopting ISIS sheikhs who are now sworn enemies of the Bakara…

    I would say that the context information I presented above does indeed fill in the gaps that Spiegel has failed to address…

    I think Spiegel just felt they did a good job in at least getting to what happened…but not really looking much into why it happened…

    In any case…the SDF entity is doomed any way you slice it…the US is now beefing up its presence in Manbij because the Turks are making a lot of aggressive noises about going in there any day now…

    There is now a war of words between Erdogan and France because silly Macron has offered to send troops to defend Manbij from the Turks…

    Dump is saying he wants to get out…while McGurk is saying the opposite…

    When we take all this context into account one has to wonder…how long can this ‘alliance’ between the formerly ISIS tribes that were bribed by McGurk to re-uniform…and the Kurds who are way out of their territory and have no business being in the Euphrates Valley…

    How long can this Frankenstein last before its stitches start popping loose…?

    Any way you cut it it is game over for the regime change project in Syria…

    The Turkish defense minister just the other day was publicly thanking Russia for making their anti-Kurd operation possible…

    Ie there is obviously a deal in place with Turkey…and the dumbshit US is left out in the cold…

    That’s how it goes…the US is not able to play in this game any longer because nobody wants to play on their terms…

    In this case ‘democracy’ prevails…two wolves and a sheep have voted what to have for supper…

  245. Kiza says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Simply put, everyone except war profeeters and war-resisters is a complete war cretin. In an information war which could lead to a global nuclear war, everyone is a war cretin, especially those who sit silently and expect it not to happen because the leaders are oh-so-rational (they are just pretending, you know).

  246. @Randal

    “most plausible account”

    maybe. But it isn’t the truth. Nobody can agree on what exactly that is.

    “there’s no clear reason why”

    That doesn’t mean anything. It especially doesn’t mean there is no reason.

    What I think has happened here is you have constructed your own narrative and are now searching for media accounts to “verify” your worldview.

    And for God’s sake, look into the concept of “delusion” or “delusional.” You currently over-use this term, simply throwing it at anybody who has a different opinion.

    Quartermaster said members of the Wagner Group got killed. The Der Speigel article verified at least 9. No?

    And then the possibility that more deaths have occurred and are being covered up is suggested by the article.

    Relations between the Russian mercenaries in Syria — it is thought there are more than 2,000 of them — and the government in Moscow have been tense for some time. The fighters claim they are being used as cannon fodder, are being kept quiet and are poorly paid. For them to now accuse the Kremlin of trying to cover up the fact that Russians were killed — by the Americans, of all people — hits President Vladimir Putin’s government in a weak spot: its credibility.

    Again, I don’t know what happened in Syria. And you don’t either. However, you are convinced that you do know. You certainly have a slant…while you claim that Der Speigel ostensibly doesn’t – which in turn lends the article credibility. Funny how that works.

    One thing I have experience with is how these (Syrian) events are treated in the Saker’s comments sections and by the Saker himself. They never get resolved, but everybody walks away thinking their version is the truth and everybody else is an idiot.

    But they always get forgotten by most, because they are irrelevant.

    You should be aware of this since you spend a good deal of time commenting on the Saker’s articles.

    • Replies: @Randal
  247. @Randal

    I assume you are being…

    That is none of my business. I have no control over that. That is on you. Perhaps you should attempt a look at why you do that. Maybe that is part of the problem. I would suggest you take my words at face value.

    Then again, that’s probably not what you are really assuming. You are really assuming that you are right and I am wrong. Which is a much more dangerous condition. It means you are closed-minded and unteachable.

  248. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Tell us more about this fascinating planet where violence is merely a failure of rationality, Daniel… :)

    Elsewhere in the galaxy, biological organisms known as “humans” practice violence because they enjoy it…or seek meaning through it..

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  249. @AaronB

    On a large scale, violence for the sake of violence results in the extinction of the line that practices it irrationally – it is a tool like any other, and one with a higher cost of investment and commitment than many. Even a criminal processes this: this is why muggers target individuals seen as weak or alone.

    Why do you think that wolves attack calves and colts but not the fully grown adult males? There’s a basic sense of self-preservation of minimizing harm to oneself even if they are capable of inflicting harm.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  250. tac says:

    Here is what the father of Alexander Litvinenko has to say on this matter (be sure to view the RT interview clip):

    Walter Litvinenko used to support the theory of Russia’s involvement in the 2006 poisoning of his son, Alexander, in London, but he changed his mind after years of analyzing the inconsistencies of the investigation

    They realized that they have screwed up big time [with the Litvinenko poisoning] and decided to change their tactics a bit. Therefore, they do not show [any evidence] now, but keep it all in secret waiting for Russia to react to it. If there was, as they say, the ‘Russian trace’ there, everything would have been clear long time ago

    The Skripal scandal would eventually backfire on those who initiated it, Litvinenko said. “It will be very difficult to hide it all. And they will eventually fail. They will be caught, and Theresa May will be very ashamed. And this clown, their Foreign Minister [Boris Johnson] – he will be very ashamed too.”

    people like Alexander find themselves in a situation where they effectively become hostages of foreign governments and intelligence agencies. He said it applies to both the rich and powerful who have left Russia after having run-ins with the law, such as the late oligarch Boris Berezovsky, as well as less prominent citizens such as Sergei Skripal.

    They are hostages, all of them are hostages of the American authorities, who strive for the world dominance. As long as that’s the case – they will kill the Russians, they’ll kill anybody who’s against it

    It’s not beneficial for them if Skripal stays alive. And this girl – she knows nothing. Skripal knows. She simply came to visit her father and got into this,” Litvinenko said. They’ll let his daughter walk away, probably. But if she knows anything, she won’t get out of it either.

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    , @Sean
  251. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I do understand where you’re coming from but….

    Humans are violent out of boredom, desire for excitement, becoming bitter through suffering and abuse, and other reasons. Much of this is circumstantial and not genetic, and so can’t be selected out. And before nuclear weapons irrational violence could have led to stalemates and periodic strife, not necessarily complete wipe outs – although that occurred too.

    The kind of violence practiced by criminals and wolves is only one kind.

    I hope you never run into a psycopath because your theory of motivation will leave you at a severe disadvantage, Daniel – there are people who will sacrifice their self interest so long as they can cause you pain, so much pleasure does it give them. It’s crazy, but there it is.

    Maybe they’re genetic freaks, but they’ll convince lots of more rational thinkers to follow them.

    I don’t know, I just think it’s a messy world…

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  252. FB says:
    @tac

    Excellent…

    Thanks for the good steer…

    Of course Litvinenko was frame up production…and now the dumbshits May and co will be squeezed until the truth bursts out like a ripe pimple…

    You can’t pull stunts like this anymore and get away with it…this isn’t 1999 anymore…

    Of course the dinosaurs in the soon to be extinct McChicken empire are not able to realize that the world around them is changing…they have been stuck for too long in their own exceptionalist delusions…

  253. @AaronB

    I’ve known people like that. I’ve always just assumed that they have a highly inflated sense of their own capabilities, but yes, they are quite unpleasant. Its surprising how many of them are really quite intelligent.

    Its perhaps not very comforting to think that just because someone is in the top 20%, it doesn’t guarantee that he isn’t quite insane in some ways. Very unfortunate.

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  254. Randal says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Of course our information about what goes on in war zones is incomplete and uncertain, but that doesn’t mean all speculations are of equal worth, or that particularly unsupported and obviously questionable ones such as Quartermaster’s, in this case, shouldn’t be recognised and dismissed as such.

    That is none of my business. I have no control over that. That is on you. Perhaps you should attempt a look at why you do that. Maybe that is part of the problem. I would suggest you take my words at face value.

    Then again, that’s probably not what you are really assuming. You are really assuming that you are right and I am wrong. Which is a much more dangerous condition.

    There are certain positions for which I have little or no patience for inaccuracy or inconsistency in their advocacy, because of the sheer damage they have caused in my lifetime and continue to cause. Mainly, it is expressions of the US bipartisan neocon/interventionist positions that have brought us literally stupid wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria in just the past two decades, as well as a wholly unnecessary and grossly counterproductive confrontation of Russia, a country with which it would have been hugely beneficial for my own country to have a positive relationship. When people come out with obvious poppycock promoting those lines, such as Quartermaster’s silly idea that the events represented “Putin getting a bunch of his people killed testing US defenses and resolve in Syria”, or implicitly defending it as you have, I tend to waste no time pretending there are alternative explanations to dishonesty or stupidity (whether that stupidity is based upon delusion, incompetence or ignorance).

    Some fools I will suffer patiently. Inherently dangerous warmongering fools I will not. I have been observing and criticising these events for too many decades, now, and seen too much of their nonsense used to influence policy.

    As for your attempt to pick out some peripheral details from the Spiegel article and pretend they justifies your original assertion that the article “seems to verify Quartermaster’s claims – the same claims you take issue with” (which were that this event was “Putin getting a bunch of his people killed testing US defenses and resolve in Syria”, remember), I refer you to the above.

    And for God’s sake, look into the concept of “delusion” or “delusional.” You currently over-use this term, simply throwing it at anybody who has a different opinion….. It means you are closed-minded and unteachable

    You confuse long experience and acquired competence with closed-mindedness. Contrary to your assertion I am neither closed-minded nor unteachable, but it is hard to teach me in areas in which my judgement has been formed by very long experience. This is normal and healthy human behaviour, but of course there is no way to recognise the difference between the two states from outside, other than by results, so I do not expect you to respond in any other way than to declare that I am effectively admitting your charge.

    Fortunately, long experience and acquired competence also gives a thick skin for the opinions of those expressing new forms of longstanding and long refuted errors and falsehoods.

    Of course, I have no special authority or position here and my words carry no particular weight. Quartermaster – or you – are free to try to defend the positions he and you express and I attack if you believe you can, as you (rather rashly) have here. In this regard, our words stand or fall on their merits and the merits of the case that can be made for and against them.

    As for your stylistic advice, I will treat it appropriately. On the specific point, “delusional” is precisely an appropriate term for those whose world-view is based upon delusion – sufferers from “Trump derangement”, or from “Putin derangement”, or those who accept the US neocon/militarist nonsense about Iran as a basis for their understanding of reality in the ME, for instance. That you disagree most likely reflects your own contamination with the latter two forms, at least, which are very common in Americans of a militarist or interventionist bent. It is apparent from Quartermaster’s comments here that his view of the world is as literally delusional, in the areas covered by the latter two examples, as that of someone who came here to insist that “Trump is actually (not just rhetorically) a fascist dictator” is delusional in the area covered by the first.

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  255. TT says:
    @FB

    Wow, a powerful one from our Bigheaded potato head FB. Anyone speaking agreeable to him is excellent, otherwise a potato head or imbecile.

    Since 2013 rank insignia is one big star and army emblem on straps which was used also till 1997, like in Soviet Army since 1974. Between 1997 and 2013 the rank insignia was 4 stars in a row, like in the Soviet Union from 1943 to 1974.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_of_the_army_(Russia)

    Who the hell know Russia had changed a 4* rank insignia to a stupid One Big Star like a BG since 2013. 4* is globally adopted, including the army i served full time.

    And boyish General Valery Gerasimov just look like a spoke person (in RT news) than a tough chief general, with his 1* insignia.

    A top general look more like tough LtG Valery Grigorievich Asapov who had real war fighting in Chechnya, Geogia, Donbass & killed in Syria.

    On those detailed info on Feb battle, thks for sharing, but no thks for using it to justify your potato head calling. If you can restraint your loose canon, we can exchange views. Otherwise just leave it or click the ignore button.

    Open news sources were USAF did blasted pro-gov fighters lead by SAA & Russia military SF/advisors(or mercenaries if you like). Indeed SAA & Russians were there, got bombed for hrs without help, and killed.

    Army SOP(standard operating procedure) is for signaler to call for RuAF & artillery emergency support. And there was not even a single damn manpad or Anti-Tank Weapon to bring down a gunboat chopper. Who will believe, when even terrorists were using manpad & TAW to bring down RuAF planes & choppers.

    Its possible high permission not granted to shoot down USAF, with RuAF & S400 support not permitted.

    You notice the first fact stated by the Syrian government news agency that these were not SAA troops…but pro-government irregulars…and later we learned also some Russian mercenaries…

    Now you are making stupid noises about why Russians didn’t take down those US jets on behalf of some militia and mercenaries that are not even operating under SAA command…?

    So you believe in your own carefully chosen crap that SAA & Russian SoF not involved, only some rag tag camel riding tribals & light armed mercenaries required massive USAF aerial bombing to take out? Then you continue to contradict with:

    According to some US military officials quoted by the mainstream media, over 100 pro-Assad fighters were killed in the strikes. Syrian media activists say that 25 government fighters were killed and about 50 others injured. According to the February 8 statement of the Russian Defense Ministry, 25 people were injured in the attack. The ministry added that government troops were conducting an operation against ISIS sleeper cells in the area when they were shelled with mortars, rocket launchers and then attacked by the coalition’s attack helicopters.

    I have added the part in bold where Russia ministry specifically mentioned its gov troops were in op, which you left out purposely from South Front article to justify your foolish argument & name calling.

    So officially 25 Syria gov fighters with dozens of civilian Russians killed, 50 injured, hundreds of them been in such high risk area for some camel riding fun…?

    Anyone been in military should know, only highly trained special force are deployed in such high risk operation only. They arent useless infantry mercenaries (that Iran & Hezbollah have plenty), these were obvious Russia special force been mowed down helplessly, given up by their supreme leader not willing to confront USM.

    What if S400 were to bring down a few, with TAW/SAM taking down choppers on ground of defending? Will USM nuke Russia immediately or blasted whole Russia base?

    And Russia Constitution still outlaw any mercenaries

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/01/17/russian-lawmakers-are-reportedly-drafting-legislation-to-legalize-and-regulate-private-military-companies

    Clearly a deal was struck and the Russians officially leveled accusations backed by surveillance footage of the SDF just waltzing in there and taking over without a shot fired…

    So what have all these facts finding evidences been able to do to Russia’s Western partners? Not even a single global msm publish it or UN action.

    But a captured of all USM & coalition advisors & SoF in East Ghouta & Aleppo, parading them and open trial by SAA of their terrorist acts under high publicity with do unacceptable damage.

    That’s reason why the West always go hysteresis whenever SAA is near to capture any terrorist city, demanding a deal to allow all terrorists get away in big coaches, complement of Russia.

    For anyone who has been paying attention to the details of the Syrian war the situation in the Euphrates valley is particularly complex and very little hard info can be verified…it is the classic fog of war scenario…

    So there is no point in making flat statements about this particular incident…we actually know very little…

    Sure, except only Bigheaded potato FB can make flat statement because you can penetrate all the fog infront your keyboard, while others merely echoing public news were potato head.

    Everyone has a right to voice his opinion over whatever info sources that shape his view. And that’s how we compare notes & exchange views here. We are not here to get lecture by a Bigheaded, pride blinded, potato head FBI who can’t tolerate any slight negative word about Russia even its open news & common sense.

    This is not first case of RuA murky handling of USM attacks to gross over.

    -The An-propeller crash with general & few dozen of advisors in Syria with no update.

    -High profile killing of LtG Valery Grigorievich Asapov with colonels on 23 September 2017 by precision mortar fire (from rag tag ISIL militants or US SoF?) in Deir ez-Zor.

    -SU-25 shot down by (highly trained skillful handler) using heat seeking manpad & by Turkey(USAF) F16s.

    -Death of ambassodors in series, Turkey, UN, India..after US leaders issued open threat to kill Russians. Too old & heart attacked, Russian said.

    Paul Craig Roberts has better knowledge of Russia than most here to clearly said,
    WILL RUSSIA WAKEUP

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/03/14/will-russia-wake/

    What if the Russian
    government simply told
    Washington: “If you or your
    terrorist mercenaries attack
    Syrian forces, we will
    eliminate your presence in
    the Middle East and Israel as
    well.”
    This is something that
    Russia can do at the drop of
    a hat.
    (not take appropriate action on projectiles & its lauchers)

    The Russian display of
    weakness encourages
    Washington’s aggression.
    Does Russia’s desire to be a
    part of the West exceed its
    desire for national survival?

    • Replies: @FB
  256. TT says:

    What if Russia declared in UNSC, if UK failed to prove its Skripal accusation under international law, then its a set up with attempt to murder 2 Russians & diplomat war aggression.

    Then persistently demand trial of UK lying criminal leaders in ICJ. Failing which, Russia will retaliate forcefully, cutting all diplomatic & trade links with military tension. What Russia got to lose in cutting ties with UK?

    That may be a good way to sent UK into frenzy. Russia shouldn’t let UK leaders get away unpunish like Iraq war.

    The Russian display of weakness encourages even poodle London’s aggression. Soon more poodles will join in for free lunch. Does Russia’s desire to be a part of the West exceed its desire for national survival?

    The Anglozionist West rapists just don’t love a protective Russia, unless she can give up all pride & defense like in 1990′s.

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  257. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Its perhaps not very comforting to think that just because someone is in the top 20%, it doesn’t guarantee that he isn’t quite insane in some ways. Very unfortunate.

    Yeah, that’s why I’m skeptical about “meritocracy” of the kind John Derbyshire likes. A true meritocracy would reward cheating

    I’m more and more inclined towards an East Asian “collective” approach where group accomplishment is favored- in such a scenario genuine talent and ability is rewarded but there is less motivation for psychopathic behavior.

    If group success is as important as individual success – if in fact individual success is impossible without group success – then you will have no motivation to undermine the group in order to advance your own interests, but your individual talent and effort will still be rewarded and recognized as contributions to group success.

    It’s the perfect balance between individualism and collectivism – individual talent is amply rewarded but the motive for undermining the group is removed.

    Of course, to most Westerners today such “insect-like” behavior is repugnant, and there is no reason to “grind” because success is an effortless emanation of your genetic potential – in fact hard work would merely detract from the glory of any accomplishment that might effortlessly emanate from you, because you’re such a genius.

  258. yurivku says:
    @TT

    That may be a good way to sent UK into frenzy. Russia shouldn’t let UK leaders get away unpunish like Iraq war.

    You seem to forget the Sun Tzu science. Needs to be refreshed ;-)

    • Replies: @TT
  259. Svigor says:

    You confuse long experience and acquired competence with closed-mindedness. Contrary to your assertion I am neither closed-minded nor unteachable, but it is hard to teach me in areas in which my judgement has been formed by very long experience.

    Plaque-worthy. Jews/leftists are very fond of that, calling anyone who isn’t a mush-headed dupe “closed-minded.”

    Closed to stupidity, yes. Have heard every argument leftists/Jews have to offer a zillion times, yes.

  260. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    Great post. It shows that today’s low-rent Ricos and Quartermasters are not only ineffective but actually counter-productive in their efforts to sway the “dumb crowd”.

    We’ve crossed the event horizon and too many people are simply too knowledgeable or too smart – like Randal – to buy this shit. The game is lost when you can’t convince the best and the brightest and tightening the screws on their right of expression can only accelerate the defeat.

    It has happened before. Many times.

  261. Josecanuc says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    The average Jew is over twice as conscious as the average goyim. Jews know that to ascertain how much they control a goyim country all they need to do is turn on a tele. . All Jews know that they irrefutably control the Christian West to such an extent that it embarrasses them, then raises their self-esteem and makes them shake their heads in amazement at how precise is the label for non Jews i.e., goy, cattle.

    All Jews know why everything that happens in the world .e., Russia, Syria, immigrants flooding into Christian goy Europe. Every Jew knows why Dershowitz defended OJ Simpson. All Jews – Zionists, Reform, et all are unlike the typical goy, conscious. Freud an atheist called Judaism a ‘collective delusion’ yet he still savored being a Jew despite recognizing that they were a wicked people:

    “With regard to antisemitism I don’t really want to search for explanations; (It seems rather strange that I don’t want to do what comes so naturally and easily to me – the love of my life, finding out the psycho-logical causes of humanity’s behavior – its affectations. I guess you can say it’s a hell of a ‘Freudian slip’ on my part. So please destroy this letter after you read it so that future psychological Sherlock Holmes’ don’t figure this out for themselves. I am not interested in discovering the root cause of antisemitism for the same reason that any honest Jew who cannot lie about it is not interested.)
    “I feel a strong inclination to surrender to my affects (bias) in this matter and find myself confirmed in my wholly nonscientific belief that mankind on the average and taken by and large are a wretched lot.” (Of course I do not officially claim say here scientifically that Jews are on the whole and taken by and large are not a wretched part of mankind. I feel that we may be, non-scientifically of course, wicked (bad), but not wretched.” Sigmund Freud, letter to his close friend Arnold Zweig, Dec. 12, 1927

    Freud’s Ego and self esteem obliged him remain a Jew . For a Jew not to identify with Israel and being a chosen Jew it would mean he or she would have to renounce being ‘chosen’ to do the most significant important serious meaningful momentous profound consequential crucial thing in the universe i.e., become mankind’s blessing and light!!!

  262. FB says:
    @TT

    ‘…On those detailed info on Feb battle, thks for sharing, but no thks for using it to justify your potato head calling…’

    If the shoe fits…

    I will be delighted when you come to your senses and stop acting like a potatohead…until that time the shoe does seem to fit…

    ‘…

    The ministry added that government troops were conducting an operation against ISIS sleeper cells in the area when they were shelled with mortars, rocket launchers and then attacked by the coalition’s attack helicopters.

    I have added the part in bold where Russia ministry specifically mentioned its gov troops were in op…’

    Now you wonder why the potatohead shoe fits…?

    Where does Russia MoD say anything about its own troops, as you are claiming…?

    Clearly the statement was talking about Syrian troops…

    And since you repeatedly talk about getting info from ‘public’ sources…why are you completely unaware of the fact that the Russian MoD stated that no Russian troops were involved…

    Here is the NYT report from Feb 13…

    ‘…[the Kremlin] stressed repeatedly last Wednesday that no members of the Russian armed forces were killed, and that any Russians fighting alongside the Syrians were mercenaries…’

    How could you miss that…since you make a big point here about getting your info from ‘open sources’…But here you are piling more potatohead BS on top of your original potatohead BS…

    Let us go back to your original potatohead statement in your comment #226…

    ‘…Yet the Russians did nothing to save hundreds of SAA embeded with many Russia specialist & advisors when US Nato airforce pounded them for hours, slaughtering everyone right under Russia S400 umbrella & RuAF nose…’

    There were no Russian specialists and advisors and this has been proven in this thread with many links provided…yet you still even now have the nerve to claim that Russian troops were killed…

    Randal here [at his comment #231] provided a good link to a quite thorough investigative report by the German media outlet Der Spiegel…

    Yet potatohead TT seems to have missed that entire exchange right here on this thread…despite his careful attention to what is going on…

    ‘…The situation on the ground between Khusham and Tabiya on the eastern bank of the Euphrates, described by a half dozen witnesses and people who were party to the events, does not confirm Russian mercenary participation in the attack or even that they joined the fighting at all.

    Ahmad Ramadan, the journalist who founded the Euphrates Post and has since emigrated to Turkey, comes from Tabiya.

    One of his contacts fights for the al-Baqir militia and took the video at the site of the bombings. “If it had been a Russian attack, with many Russian dead, we would have reported about it,” he said. “But it wasn’t. The Russians in Tabiya just had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.”..’

    Even before the Spiegel story came out on March 2, the NYT provided a Feb. 8 report that mentions many similar background facts…

    ‘…the Russian Defense Ministry also appeared to partly blame the pro-government militia members, saying they had not coordinated their movements with the Russians ahead of time…’

    Of course potatohead TT quite miraculously missed this ‘open source’ info as well…coming up instead with a disneyland version of reality where Russian special forces were mowed down by American gunships while they radioed frantically for help…

    What a heap of steaming bullshit…

    This is in fact exactly the same BS line that well-known neocon trolls on this site like ‘quartermaster’ have been popping off…saying that the Russians were ‘testing’ the US military resolve and got creamed…and then slunk back with their tails between their legs…

    Okay…that is fine if you don’t have a problem living in disneyland…after all Mr. Potatohead would seem right at home with Mickey and Donald…

    Some of us would rather have a more balanced version of reality to chew on…

    As for your overall thesis that Russia is showing weakness by not responding forcefully to these imagined provocations…that is not the case…you listed a quite ridiculous laundry list of everything from Russian ambassadors that have died recently…to the unfortunate Russian military turboprop airplane crash at Hmeimim…

    This is quite ridiculous…

    Certainly the US are making some provocations…but they are carefully calibrated…

    Let’s examine one instance last December where a pair of Russian Su25 ground attack jets were pounding ISIS positions in Deir Ezzor…the US decided to send in a pair of F22s which attempted to interfere with the Russian bombing…

    The Russians quickly sent a single Su35 air superiority fighter to the scene…at which point the F22s turned tail and bugged out back to Iraqi airspace from whence they came…

    The undeterred Russian Su25 pilots kept on pounding their targets for 40 minutes [with the F22s present...and making threatening maneuvers] until the Su35 pilot arrived…

    This according to US pentagon spokesman Eric Pahon…

    ‘…Pahon told multiple outlets that the encounter lasted approximately 40 minutes and that at one point, one of the Frogfoots [Su25] maneuvered dangerously close to the Raptor [F22] almost causing a collision…’

    And this was not the first time such an aerial confrontation took place…the Russian side claimed a similar incident happened a month prior, in November, while the US denied its airplane were even in the air on that day…

    Here is a Sputnik report from the November incident…along with an Australian report of the same incident…again an Su35 was called in to confront an F22…

    Also we note that the US side has been publicly complaining about Russian aircraft supposedly initiating ‘unsafe’ encounters over Syria…as NYT reported Dec. 8…

    We note it is the USAF that is crying tears here…not RuAF…

    So thanks for the laundry list that proves Russia is acting weak…but from where I sit I see the Russian pilots acting quite professional and unperturbed by USAF games…

    PS…As for your potatohead status…you have proved that yourself…and continue to do so…when you decide to make an ideological break with the likes of ‘quarterpounder’ and ‘Johnny Reeko’…perhaps you will be taken seriously again…

    Adios potatohead…enjoy your new shoes…

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  263. TT says:
    @FB

    You are starting to rant incoherently. You need some medication.

    Russian Defense Ministry, 25 people were injured in the attack. The ministry added that government troops were conducting an operation against ISIS sleeper cells in the area when they were shelled with mortars, rocket launchers and then attacked by the coalition’s attack helicopters.

    I have added the part in bold where Russia ministry specifically mentioned its gov troops were in op, which you left out purposely from South Front article to justify your foolish argument & name calling.

    Clearly the statement was talking about Syrian troops…

    Of course i know it refers to SAA gov troops, its you who are ranting BS & insisted no SAA gov troops involved repeatedly even quoting Spiedel article that only camel riding tribals are involved(your memory failing?).

    Still you have not defense why did you intentionally truncated that bold part twice in your previous comments that clearly said gov troops was conducting ops.

    So officially 25 Syria gov fighters with dozens of civilian Russians killed, 50 injured, hundreds of them been in such high risk area for some camel riding fun…?

    Anyone been in military should know, only highly trained special force are deployed in such high risk operation only. They arent useless infantry mercenaries (that Iran & Hezbollah have plenty), these were obvious Russia special force been mowed down helplessly, given up by their supreme leader not willing to confront USM.

    SAA gov troops is paying dearly for few dozens of civilians Russian mercenaries as chauffeur or porter for sightseeing? Its obviously only highly trained SoF or some specialists are useful to bring for such high risk op. Mercenaries, you still believed.

    And Russia Constitution still outlaw any mercenaries

    Now its heroic Russia SoF or unlawful mercenaries get killed? The formal get flag drap coffin honory burial & full compensation to family. The latter is shameful criminal deserved to die. You rather chose the crap of US propaganda mouthpiece NYT to back your BS mercenaries story and have the Russian heroes died as criminals.

    Even before the Spiegel story came out on March 2, the NYT provided a Feb. 8 report that mentions many similar background facts…

    ‘…the Russian Defense Ministry also appeared to partly blame the pro-government militia members, saying they had not coordinated their movements with the Russians ahead of time…’

    Again you are cherry picking news of NYT to back your theory, so no SAA gov troop involve, Russia Defense Ministry is lying to say its gov troop op?

    And SAA was bring few dozens of expensive Russian mercenaries to conduct high profile attack without bother to notify RuA. You believed such BS.

    USM is attacking with massive aerial bombardment on SAA & tribal fighters embeded with dozens of Russians without calling Russia hotline first to descalate speak volumes.

    You are even quoting Spiegel article, no gov troops & mercenaries involved, Russians are just happened at wrong place & wrong time to get bombarded. Good try.

    You are either extremely foolish potatohead to trust msm nonsense or someone so pigheaded could not back down from your BS by spewing more BS to smoke out.

    Enough, I will let all readers be the judge.

    • Replies: @FB
  264. myself says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Your analogy with INTRA-species violence has some merit.

    But I submit that your rational arguments, by themselves, do not paint the entire picture.

    Yes, within-species violence rarely comes to a life-or-death struggle. And, if intelligent beings were PURELY logical (note though that animal species have no “logic” per se), then perhaps rational calculations would rule.

    But intelligent species, for example homo sapiens, are not pure rational beings. Since we have creativity, imagination, visions and conceptions of the past and future, religion, philosophy and search for cosmic meaning, we are let us say . . . BEYOND our limited concepts of matter, energy, space, time and even dimension. This has allowed immense human progress. It defines our essence.

    This “Trans-Rationality”, if you will, also allows humans to think of conflict, all conflict, as not INTRA SPECIES, but rather INTER-SPECIES. And in inter-species conflict, where like fights un-like, it is almost always TO THE DEATH.

    Two Tigers may fight for mere dominance and mating rights. But a trio of Lions (males and females) attacking a Cape Buffalo? They will fight to the death, or until the aggressor flees, whichever shall come first. No ceding of mere social standing, no agreement to call it off, only blood, entrails and death will make different species stop.

    IMHO, so it is with the tribes of man. We (humans) are able to convince ourselves of the otherness of our human enemies, and so we ask for no quarter, unless brought to a point of total helplessness to continue – in which case that tribe is nearly destroyed anyway.

    In the realm of pure concepts, resistance may be “useless”. If one man with his bare hands fights against 1000 men with assault rifles, well, he may as well surrender and maybe live.

    But this has almost never happened in the realm of tribe versus tribe, ever in human history. The superior force almost always suffers losses, and the inferior tribe may inflict some small loss while being destroyed such that the next target of their conquerors becomes harder.
    ___________________________________________________________________
    Picture this sequence: Conqueror Tribe A attacks minor tribe

    minor tribe A is destroyed with ease, inflicting some loss
    minor tribe B is destroyed with a bit less ease, inflicting somewhat more loss
    . . . and so on until . . .
    minor tribe Z is destroyed with enormous difficulty, inflicting horrendous loss
    minor tribe Z+1 actually stalemates the conquerors! They cause tremendous losses

    Another mighty tribe, Conqueror Tribe B, now comes along and destroys the weakened Conqueror Tribe A, much more easily than if Conqueror Tribe A were fresh. And so . . .

    The original, seemingly futile resistance of minor tribe A has borne fruit, and they have gotten posthumous vengeance. Their resistance, in the fullness of time, is shown to be far from futile. By presenting a mere roadblock to the aggressors, they have helped to stop the aggressor in his tracks, perhaps even to destroy him in the end. (Actually, he destroyed himself in his ceaseless rampage).
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Posthumous vengeance is entirely rational in the grand scheme. It establishes, and seals in the collective consciousness, that to victimize someone carries ultimate consequences.

    Would-be conqueror tribes in the future will be all but forced to think long and hard before launching aggression. No matter how seemingly weak the victim is, it is NEVER futile to resist.

    • Replies: @myself
  265. myself says:
    @myself

    In light of this, there may just be a subtle logic to the eternal resistance exhibited by the Afghan peoples.

    They may not be conscious of it, but there it is.

  266. FB says:
    @TT

    Now I see clearly that you are a lying dirtbag…even worse than a potatohead…

    ‘…USM is attacking with massive aerial bombardment on SAA & tribal fighters embeded [sic] with dozens of Russians without calling Russia hotline first to descalate [sic] speak volumes…’

    What a total bozo…

    You didn’t even bother to read the articles I pointed to…here is that NYT article from Feb 13 again…

    ‘…At no point, an American military spokesman said, was there any chance of direct conflict between United States and Russian forces.

    “Coalition officials were in regular communication with Russian counterparts before, during, and after, the thwarted, unprovoked attack,” according to Col. Ryan S Dillon, a spokesman for the American military.

    “Russian officials assured coalition officials that they would not engage coalition forces in the vicinity…”‘

    This may or may not be fully accurate…but we have not heard the Russian side officially deny this…

    You also didn’t bother to read the Spiegel article before popping off as usual…

    ‘…But who exactly were these attackers?

    And what really happened that night in the small, half-deserted villages on the east bank of the Euphrates River? Did American bombs decimate Russian troops? Could the attack even be a foreboding of coming skirmishes between the Americans and Russians?..’

    Spiegel goes on to answer that question, confirming my previous assessment that it was mostly pro-government militia…

    ‘…They included members of the militias of two tribes, the Bekara and the Albo Hamad, who are fighting for Assad’s regime with Iranian backing, soldiers of the 4th Division as well as Afghan and Iraqi fighters with the Fatimiyoun and Zainabiyoun brigades, which are under Iranian command…’

    So we see here that some SAA soldiers of the 4′th Division were involved…but it is unclear under what command or authority they were operating with these militias…

    We note importantly that these militias are under Iranian command…

    This is important…we know that the Russian MoD has said that they were not informed of any such operation…so clearly after this disaster one can assume the Russians would certainly be very angry with loose cannons stirring up trouble right on the de-confliction line that has been agreed with the Americans…

    Although the Russians did not publicly vent against anybody…it is well known that neither the SAA nor the Russians are completely happy about how the Iranians have been carrying on in Syria…I will not go into details here but I have further info…

    Still…to their credit…the Russians did make a proper diplomatic fuss about this and brought it to UN Security Council…as the NYT reported…

    ‘…Speaking to reporters, Mr Nebenzya [Russia's UN envoy] rejected the American explanation that the airstrikes had been carried out for defensive reasons.

    “We were invited by the government of Syria to fight terrorists since 2015,” he said. “The US was never invited to Syria, so who is the aggressor, tell me?”..’

    That is quite honorable that the Russians would handle this fiasco in the way they did, sticking up for everybody even though it is certain that Russian officers in Syria would have been furious about not being told by the Iranians what they were up to in such a hot area…

    Incidentally both the Spiegel article and NYT articles confirm what I had been able to piece together beforehand [before being aware of these articles]…that it was the Al Bakara tribes who are locals in this area who seemed to have been the main bulk of the militia force…

    I was also correct in providing insightful context to the situation here…specifically what happened in the last few months around Khusham…where the US has set up an SDF base…and where this skirmish occurred…

    Also important to note here is that the Russian mercenaries were not involved in the militia raiding party…they were in Tabiyeh…the location of that oil field I also spoke about in my backgrounder…here is that map again…

    Khusham is circled with the smaller red circle here…while Tabiyeh is the bigger one…

    And here is the map from the Spiegel article…


    We note that the Spiegel spells out the de-confliction details for this area that the two sides agreed on…

    ‘…Because in addition to the deconfliction line, there was also a second agreement which allowed up to 400 pro-Assad fighters, who remained on the east side of the Euphrates following the 2017 battle against Islamic State, to remain…

    Among those stationed in Tabiya was a small contingent of Russian mercenaries.

    But the two militia sources said they did not participate in the fighting…’

    Ie they were not part of the raiding party…

    And yet here is potatohead TT making bovine gas eruptions about how Russian special forces [of all things for chrissakes] were part of the raid and got mowed down…

    The Spiegel story makes perfectly clear what happened…the Russian contractors were in Tabiyeh legitimately…they go caught up in the US attack when those idiot Iranian militia came in there without telling anybody…

    So the fact are quite clear…

    1…the Russian command knew nothing of this Iranian-backed militia raid…

    2…the Russian contractors were not doing anything wrong…were not part of the raiding force… and had a right to be in Tabiyeh…they simply had the bad luck to be there when the militia arrived there and all hell broke loose…

    3…Spiegel interviews with the only morgue in the area…the Deir Ezzor hospital…confirmed only 9 Russian contractors killed…

    4…Spiegel also confirmed from where those rumors about ‘hundreds’ of Russians killed got started…it was from certain anti-Putin oligarch media in Russia that are a fifth column and spreading fake news…

    ‘…At the same time, however, a completely different version of events has gained traction — disseminated at first by Russian nationalists like Igor “Strelkov” Girkin, and then by others associated with the Wagner unit.

    According to those accounts, many more Russians had been killed in the battle — 100, 200, 300 or as many as 600. An entire unit, it was said, had been wiped out and the Kremlin wanted to cover it up…’

    And on the basis of this nonsense we have a meathead like yourself popping off about how Russia is weak because it didn’t launch S400s…

    Incredible…I have never seen such a complete idiot…

    Everything I said in my backgrounder [comment #236] about the Bakara tribe and the fact that they are going after ISIS in the area which simply rebranded as SDF after the US bribe of the Sheikhs…has proved correct…as confirmed in both the Spiegel article and the NYT…and useful…

    Which is more than your idiotic dribble…

    You are the one who is intentionally trying to obfuscate here…throwing up a lot of useless dust that is only meant to confuse what is clear to any normal human…you have shown yourself to be a total dink…

    • Replies: @TT
  267. TT says:
    @yurivku

    Guess i can never be a good chess player, no patience.

    Grand master Putin got lot of patience to wait for his last move. From his aggressive Chechnya war approach, he is not shy from fighting.

    He is probably trying to outlast murkans until Petrol Yuan uproot USM. Then all poodles will scatter in fear without a bullet fired. China way of war.

    Russians must withhold Syria, while Chinese gather up its diplomatic partners to back Russia, & cranking up trade war machine to target Trumps biggest vote bank – Agri rednecks.

    Trumps told China shouldn’t slap tariffs on beans & agri since its steel trade war, Chinese replied: “War is different from Trade, we decide the rule!” Love it.

    Yah, SunTze art of war.
    — To catch the bandits(US Nato), catch the leader (USD) first.
    — A king mustn’t waged war out of anger.
    — To save cityA(Russia) from enemy(US Nato) siege, attack enemy cityB(US) & siege army will withdraw to defend.

  268. TT says:
    @FB

    Okay i admit defeat, you are the best Shepard in Unz. You are the best PRO in name calling & endless ranting.

    Kowtow…..the best weapon Russia could deliver to fcuk Nikki Haley in UN… hehehehe

    • Replies: @FB
  269. Svigor says:

    A bit of cold water for the flatheads:

    Hypersonic Weapons Explainer

    • Replies: @FB
  270. FB says:
    @Svigor

    Hey Svigor…

    Thanks for the ‘Hypersonic Weapons Explainer’ from George Soros…aka the Carnegie Endowment…[LOL]

    As you know I find insanity quite entertaining…after all laughter is the best medicine…as Reader’s Digest used to say…

    Here is the Carnegie Foundation annual report from 2017…download and check the donor section…page 56…

    Well what do you know…?

    Good old Open Society Foundation is one of the biggest donors…

    Not to mention that Morton Abramowitz was president of the Carnegie Endowment…

    You remember good old neocon supremo ‘Morty’ don’t you…?

    The Soros sockpuppet who is ‘explaining’ hypersonics to us here is pictured below…

    Now he obviously look like a pretty sharp-minded fellow…?

    He must be…I just checked with my little friend and he agrees completely…

  271. FB says:
    @TT

    ‘…Okay i admit defeat…’

    Of course you do, grasshopper…you have been dismantled like a cardboard box…

    ‘…You are the best PRO in name calling & endless ranting…’

    And you are good at picking a fight then throwing in the towel…

    ‘…Kowtow…..the best weapon Russia could deliver to fcuk Nikki Haley in UN… hehehehe…’

    Well…here we discover your true character…

    For you the concept of honor is evidently a laughing matter…

    We need look no further than the First Opium War…

    ‘…Former American president John Quincy Adams commented that opium was “a mere incident to the dispute … the cause of the war is the kowtow—the arrogant and insupportable pretensions of China…”‘

    Any careful reader of Asian history will be aware that the Opium Wars and the resulting subjugation of China began much much earlier…with arrogant Chinese diplomacy…

    The very first ever British diplomatic mission to China…the McCartney Embassy…fifty years bnefore the First Opium War…ended in disaster because of lack of reciprocal respect…

    ‘…The ritual of the kowtow, which requires an individual to kneel with both knees on the ground and bow so as to touch their forehead to the ground, presented a particular dilemma.

    The kowtow was required not only when meeting the emperor, but also when receiving imperial edicts from his messengers.

    While Portuguese and Dutch merchants in Canton [now Guangzhou] had acquiesced to the ritual, British subjects, who regarded the act as slavish and humiliating, generally avoided kowtowing to the emperor’s edicts by leaving the room when such messages were received…’

    Still…in the spirit of diplomatic reciprocity…McCartney was willing to meet the Chinese half way…this was rejected…

    ‘…Macartney submitted to Zhengrui a written proposal that would satisfy his requirement of equal status: whatever ceremony he performed, a Chinese official of equal rank would do the same before a portrait of George III.

    Zhengrui objected to this proposal, on the grounds that this notion of reciprocal equality was incompatible with the Chinese view of the emperor as the Son of Heaven, who had no equal.

    According to such a view, the British embassy was regarded officially as a tribute mission like any other. Despite Macartney and Staunton’s insistence that the items the embassy brought were “gifts”, Chinese officials saw them as “tribute” items…’

    ‘…Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall…’

    –Proverbs 16:18…

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @myself
    , @TT
  272. Sean says:
    @FB

    The highest concentration of the agent used against Sergei and Yulia Skripal was found on their front door. [...]Other than the Skripals, the only person seriously affected was DS Nick Bailey who is believed to have visited the house.

    Even a doctor who treated Yulia Skripal that day and came into close contact with her told the BBC she has experienced no symptoms. Dozens of others sought medical advice but have been assessed as in the clear.

    Evil bastard killer Russian spies went to Skirpal house and smeared a Novichok compound on the front door handle of Skirpal’s house.

    ÷ World-leading experts at the Porton Down defence research laboratory identified the chemical in Salisbury as the Novichok nerve agent. Novichok applies to a group of advanced nerve agents developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s. Gary Aitkenhead, chief executive of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, said the substance was ‘probably only within the capabilities of a state actor’.

    ÷ The UK has evidence that Russia has previously produced this agent and would still be capable of doing so. Russian whistleblower Vil Mirzayanov revealed in 1992 that promises by the Soviet Union to reduce its chemical weapon stockpiles were hollow.

    ÷ Intelligence gathered has indicated that within the past decade, Russia has investigated ways of delivering nerve agents for assassination. Not only this, British intelligence agents have evidence that Russia has explored using Novichok on door handles and ‘everyday objects’ in ‘recent times’. Police investigating the poisoning of the Skripals said the highest amount of nerve agent was on their home’s front door handle.

    ÷ International allies have handed over top-secret intelligence to the UK that points to Russia being behind the attack.

    ÷ Vladimir Putin issued threats to Russia’s ‘traitors’ in 2010, saying: ‘Traitors will kick the bucket, believe me.’

    ÷ The British Government believes Russia views some defectors as legitimate targets for assassination. In 2006, a new Russian law was adopted which formally permitted the extra-judicial killings abroad of those Moscow accused of ‘extremism’. Russian spy agencies were said to have been emboldened by the new law.

    ÷ The details are unknown, but it is understood the UK has evidence pointing to Russian suspects who could be behind the attack. Spies are investigating a Russian who was on the same flight into the UK as Yulia Skripal before returning to Moscow a few hours later. A senior Whitehall source said the individual was a ‘person of interest’.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5579643/Russia-tested-using-nerve-agent-poisoned-spy-door-handles.html#ixzz5Bp8pzRer

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @FB
  273. Sean says:
    @tac

    people like Alexander find themselves in a situation where they effectively become hostages of foreign governments and intelligence agencies.

    London is not exactly Siberia, wealthy Russians choose to live there , and maybe Putin is trying to get rich Russians and their offshore bank accounts fleeing back to Rus. Brits would rather be in one of our prisons than live in Russia, the opposite is not true. To be in London is to live the Russian dream.

  274. Svigor says:

    FB says:
    April 5, 2018 at 2:36 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Svigor

    One minute the flathead will employ countersemitism, the next he’ll be spouting off leftist bullshit about the plight of the Amerinds and the blacks in the USA.

    Never trust a flathead.

    • Replies: @FB
  275. Josecanuc says:
    @utu

    
    Can you think of any type of “wishful thinking that hijacks ones analytical abilities” that surpasses the ‘wishful certainty that the Jews are YHWH’s chosen people, and were specifically chosen to be mankind’s blessing and light, uplift humanity and heal and cure and inherit (acquire)‘ the earth?
    Or: “Israel (‘man chosen by God’) is above all the nations as the head is above the body.”

  276. Randal says:
    @Sean

    Congratulations, sean. Your display of Putin derangement syndrome is right up there with the most prolific single issue obsessives of the Unz community. You must be proud.

    Evil bastard killer Russian spies went to Skirpal house and smeared a Novichok compound on the front door handle of Skirpal’s house.

    LOL! I saw this story on Craig Murray’s site earlier today and chuckled to myself at the idea that there might actually be people stupid enough to take it seriously.

    Sure enough….

    So, in your desperation as the narrative collapses around you and the British government scurries to cover up lies left, right and centre, you would now have us believe that somehow those super-cunningly evil Russians smeared a “military-grade nerve agent” (as the British government and media insist on calling it) on the handle of their front door, whereupon they passed out through it to go to lunch and for some reason they both chose to rub their hands on the said door handle, following which without any apparent ill effects they wandered off to have lunch, only to become ill some considerable time later, following which they were saved by general supportive medical treatment (because HMG have now claimed that they had no specific antidote).

    Oh, and having developed at considerable expense this super secret technique for inconveniencing superannuated former agents, the super-cunningly evil Russians were so stupid that they (a) chose to use it for the first time (thereby revealing its existence) in order to inconvenience a superannuated former agent they’d traded because he’s already served time anyway and was of no particular interest to them any more, and (b) carefully made sure to write up a nice comprehensive training manual, probably titled something like (in Russian) “Devilishly Delightful Evil Assassination Techniques using Novichoks for Boys”, or something, and stamped it “Absolutely Top Super-duper Secret” – and then let MI5 get hold of it!?

    OK, sean.

  277. Josecanuc says:

    China (and once it has been emancipated) – Japan are the two best nations to administer and minister to the rehabilitation of the nations of the world especially the Christian West once they are saved.

    Not by China and Russia but by a more advanced (in every degree of development) form of human or alien life from another part of the Universe.

    Israel has 400 (?) nuclear weapons – plus America, Britain and France and together they will will the void – the destruction of the earth – rather than allow any nation or nations to attempt to void Israel’s will to become mankind’s – not merely the Christian West and all it’s international allies blessing and light – but mankind’s i.e., humanity, i.e., Russia, China, Iran et al.

    Because the Chinese Russians et al are not as chosen as the Jews and are just modest human beings they will not will void. Rather than destroy the world the Russians and Chinese would commit mass suicide in order not to be a subjugated people similar to the Christians of the West who would will the void rather the void their Will to Power.

    Yes, only until a benevolent powerful advanced in every way form of life arrives and saves China and Russia and Iran and emancipates the Christian West and all its international allies from the clutches of the Jews will anything change for the better for humanity.

    They are probably out there someplace and will be arriving soon in the not too distant future once they have developed a vaccination for humans interferes and prevents them from being Jewfied – and a gene transforming therapy for the Jews that will transform them from holy chosen arrogant Jews to plain modest decent human beings similar to the Chinese and Japanese.

  278. FB says:
    @Sean

    Hey Dung Beetle…

    How would you know anything about Russia…?

    It is achingly obvious that you are of the lowest socio-economic class and have traveled outside your county maybe once in your life…

    For you a trip into town on the hay wagon is a big adventure…

    Enjoy your possum stew supper…

    • Replies: @Sean
  279. FB says:
    @Svigor

    Hey retard…nice comeback…

    What exactly is ‘countersemitism’…

    Hi I’m looking for the ‘semitism’ counter…

  280. FB says:

    Just a quick note here to point to PCRs article up today on this site…

    ‘…Actually, the UK, a militarily insignificant country, would not have dared to make this level of provocation to Russia, which is capable of wiping the British off of the face of the earth in a few minutes at zero cost to Russia…’

    LOL…

    ‘…Unlike Hitler, whose secret weapons were not ready in time, Russia’s are. The West is so outclassed that nothing whatsoever will remain of the West if Russia’s weapons are unleashed on an arrogant, stupid, West drowning in Washington’s hubris…’

    Too bad for the likes of Dung Beetle and Retard that PCR doesn’t allow comments on his articles…

  281. FB says:

    Oh…and Yulia Skripal is now recovering quickly and has released a statement…

    Her cousin Viktoria is on her way from Moscow to visit…

    The Russians aren’t going to let go of this…a Russian citizen has been poisoned on UK soil while visiting there…

    Let’s kick back and enjoy this exploding custard pie…

    UK public starting to get angry and May govt days surely numbered…

    • Replies: @Anon
  282. Svigor says:

    Hey retard…nice comeback…

    Comeback? There was no comeback. One needs no comeback against content-free flathead stupidity. It was an observation, flathead.

    • Replies: @FB
  283. myself says:
    @FB

    Any careful reader of Asian history will be aware that the Opium Wars and the resulting subjugation of China began much much earlier…with arrogant Chinese diplomacy…

    The very first ever British diplomatic mission to China…the McCartney Embassy…fifty years bnefore the First Opium War…ended in disaster because of lack of reciprocal respect…

    ‘…The ritual of the kowtow, which requires an individual to kneel with both knees on the ground and bow so as to touch their forehead to the ground, presented a particular dilemma.

    The kowtow was required not only when meeting the emperor, but also when receiving imperial edicts from his messengers.

    While Portuguese and Dutch merchants in Canton [now Guangzhou] had acquiesced to the ritual, British subjects, who regarded the act as slavish and humiliating, generally avoided kowtowing to the emperor’s edicts by leaving the room when such messages were received…’

    Still…in the spirit of diplomatic reciprocity…McCartney was willing to meet the Chinese half way…this was rejected…

    ‘…Macartney submitted to Zhengrui a written proposal that would satisfy his requirement of equal status: whatever ceremony he performed, a Chinese official of equal rank would do the same before a portrait of George III.

    Zhengrui objected to this proposal, on the grounds that this notion of reciprocal equality was incompatible with the Chinese view of the emperor as the Son of Heaven, who had no equal.

    According to such a view, the British embassy was regarded officially as a tribute mission like any other. Despite Macartney and Staunton’s insistence that the items the embassy brought were “gifts”, Chinese officials saw them as “tribute” items…’

    Chinese attitudes were arrogant and objectionable to be sure.

    But were far from reason enough, or reason at all, to engage in actual violent warfare.

    That is akin to being verbally disrespected in someone else’s house, and instead of simply cursing and leaving like an obviously unwanted interloper, proceeding to shoot and kill the offending owner of that house.

    Like calls for like. Disrespect calls for disrespect, and violence for violence. Arrogance most certainly does not find equivalence in violence.

    The house-owner’s word must be regarded as final – if it is found unacceptable, the only proper course of action is to leave, in rage and indignation of course, but to leave nonetheless. We should have simply let China remain closed, dirt-poor and hopelessly backward – a fitting punishment for arrogance.

    But all’s well that ends well. Through violence and intimidation, the West got its precious concessions and access, and China learned a most valuable lesson: IT IS POWER THAT MATTERS. A lesson well seared in the Chinese collective memory.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @FB
    , @TT
  284. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @myself

    Good points.

  285. TT says:
    @FB

    Yes yes, you are the mightiest in UNZ & the world, none is better even God fear you. You pierce thru the war fog infront your keyboards and pieced all internet news, accurately forecast every outcome that Pres Putin should put you incharged of Russia propaganda office.

    Only you alone know everything. The self appointed sheriff of unz to judge if anyone sing different from your lyrics…. Russia is Greatest…Putin is best…. Well, not when the Germans appear, where is MightytheBeef?

    ‘…Kowtow…..the best weapon Russia could deliver to fcuk Nikki Haley in UN… hehehehe…’

    Sorry typo errors. I mean i kowtow to you Majesty. You are the best dream weapon Russia could deliver to UNSC as new ambassador to fcuk up Nikki Haley making her shrieking all day long with all your flabbergasted name calling. Hehehehe…. only FB alone can screw this Bit*h to hysteria orgasm.

    • Replies: @FB
  286. FB says:
    @Svigor

    Oh there was lots of content Retardo…

    Maybe you missed it…but the content was that your Soros sockpuppet squeaking about hypersonics is quite hilarious…

  287. FB says:
    @myself

    ‘…That is akin to being verbally disrespected in someone else’s house, and instead of simply cursing and leaving like an obviously unwanted interloper, proceeding to shoot and kill the offending owner of that house…’

    I fully agree with this analogy on the grounds of morality…

    Unfortunately the world does not operate on moral principles…it does come down to might makes right…

    In fact this applies on the micro level of the household as well…there are lots of people who will barge into your house and have no problem killing the occupants and taking what they want…happens all the time…

    Anyway…I don’t like my comments to be taken out of context…

    The context of my reply was to Potatohead TT who said this…

    ‘…Kowtow…..the best weapon Russia could deliver to fcuk Nikki Haley in UN… hehehehe…’

    So without that context your comment is merely annoying and useless to me…

    I believe my response was a good reminder to Han Potatoheads who go around tossing about the phrase ‘kowtow’ in a mocking manner…

    I trust you will now scurry off without further squeaking about nothing…

    • Replies: @myself
    , @denk
  288. TT says:
    @myself

    Mao had sum up everything neatly: “power emerge from gun barrel.” He let Chinese stand up. Deng let Chinese filled their belly. Xi is now letting Chinese fulfil their dream.

    If a good guy hospitable to friends has no guns when surrounded by wolves, he is doomed.

    So goes the Chinese old saying: ” When friends come, we have good wines. When wolves come, we have hunting rifles.”

    China just teach US what is trade war like. “We decide the rule of engagement”. Love it.

    Now Trumps has shot his own foot. China won’t let him off the hook easily without him giving the concession: leave Russia & Syria alone, or we will tighten the screw with $3T war chess and 60% saving rate that can last more than 10yrs without any trade with US.

    A nation united to fight VS US capitalists all now screaming “No Trade War idiot Trumps”. The Dow jones index just wipe out more money than Trumps targeted tariff. With only 15% export goes to US, China can easily live as usual with high savings for next 10yrs, quicken domestic market rebalance, and expand trade with Latin America & Africa. But US is doomed, civil riot awaiting when Walmart goes empty.

    Its a good show time for China to demonstrate its might to the world without firing single shot. The only country dare & powerful enough to confront US openly.

    Really admire China strategists.

    • Replies: @FB
  289. FB says:
    @TT

    That’s better…

    I accept your humility…you may go now…

  290. Anon[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Russia did it!

    They purposely created a honey trap for UK to step in with Skripal poisoning done half fuck(antidote prepared to recover now), so Putin could score higher votes, then instigating uprising against their dignified government who have 20s countries in solidarity against Russia.

    PM May is correct, Russia is meddling. EU & the world including China must united to expel all Russian diplomats & closed down their embassy. They are all spy nest, a fact beyond dispute, everyone know, swear by the God.

  291. FB says:
    @TT

    ‘…The only country dare & powerful enough to confront US openly…’

    Except by military…

    US still sailing freedom of navigation through Chinese waters…and flying through Chinese ADIZ…

    ‘…leave Russia & Syria alone, or we will tighten the screw…’

    Oh sure…Han Potatohead getting comfortable in disneyland…

    Now that Russia faced down US for real…everybody wants in on the glory…

    Success has many fathers…failure dies an orphan…

    • Replies: @TT
  292. TT says:
    @FB

    FB, why are you transforming to such obstinate pest & repugnant troll in unz, picking up fight with everyone incessantly in abnormal obsession.

    Your reek of psychopath spending 24hrs trolling the net to satisfy your unquenchable quarrelsome morbid is excessive.

    Go see a psychiatrist & take a long holiday before too late. Your family & colleagues must have suffered much, its a tell sign you should pay serious attention.

    May you regain your sanity and peace soon. Best wishes.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @peterAUS
  293. FB says:
    @TT

    I see by your ridiculous reaction that I hit a sore spot…

    Han Potatohead has no answer for real questions…

    Why China does not stand up military against US [and Japanese] ships and aircraft violating Chinese waters and Chinese ADIZ…

    Here is a look at China’s rinky dink ADIZ that no one respects…

    Both Japan and US have thumbed their nose at silly China…flying their bombers and fighters through it just to make a point…with not even a squeak of protest from China…

    Right after the Chinese set up the ADIZ…Japan’s Self Defense Forces flew F15s through it…

    China did not attempt to intercept…

    ‘…Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera on Saturday denied Beijing’s claim that it scrambled fighter jets in response to Self-Defense Forces aircraft that had entered China’s new air defense identification zone, saying Tokyo has received no such reports.

    “There have been no abnormal situations, such as (Chinese) aircraft suddenly approaching (SDF planes in the ADIZ), as announced by China yesterday,” Onodera, surrounded by reporters, said Saturday morning…’

    Now Han Potatohead is making brave noises about Syria…what a laugh…

    China has carefully stayed away from Syria and even abstained from some UNSC Syria votes…[talk about chicken]

    …even though thousands of Chinese Uyghur terrorists are fighting in Syria…

    Saudi Arabia is indoctrinating Wahabbi Uyghur fanatics in China right under the noses of the authorities…

    Get real Potatohead…take your China chop-socky somewhere else…nobody’s buying it…

    • Replies: @TT
  294. Sean says:
    @FB

    Please don’t make any more remarks of that kind about my beautiful mum and her house that smells of freshly baked bread, you son of a rabid goat.

    The UK is not Finland.. We in the country that invented the modern world have our own oil, gas and nuclear weapons*, unlike the defence- freeloading squareheaded Germans, we don’t lick Russian arse.

    You know, fantastic as it seems to any Russian, in Britain you don’t have to proffer a bribe to get a (same day) doctor’s appointment, and the treatment is free and about the best in the world. This is why Skirpal’s daughter is feeling great, and he is recovering too. They’ll never go back to Russia.

    There was an RT documentary about terror attacks in Russia on yesterday, and after a bombing one girl had a 180 degree twisted foot and severe lacerations, but to her horror the Russian surgeons just took her leg off. Another victim woke up in the morgue.

    Skirpal lived, because he was poisoned in Britain. In Russia he would be dead as can be. He will stay in our land of milk, honey and countless world shaking geniuses ( Darwin and Turing to name but a couple) where peace and justice are the right of everyone not just alpha particle emitting KGB Polonium-packers. Our economy is built on trust, Russia is more like Nigeria with snow, as people who tried to invest there have found. We told Obama where to go when he warned against Brexit and now are cutting Putin down to size .

    * We need to be ready willing and able to kill 30 millionRussians so we are going to need many more missiles, fortunately we can get them for the asking

    The theoretical capacity of the four Vanguard-class submarines is 64 missiles and 768 warheads however the UK decided to purchase only 58 missiles from the United States and each submarine carried only 48 warheads,[82] In 2010 this was reduced to a maximum of 40 warheads split between 8 missiles.[62] The UK missiles form a shared pool with the Atlantic squadron of the US Navy Ohio-class SSBNs at King’s Bay, Georgia. The pool is ‘co-mingled’ and missiles are selected at random for loading on to either nation’s submarines.[83][84]

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anonymous
  295. …one conflates two different accusations (occupation of Crimea and destabilization of the Ukraine)….

    The two go together. Putin’s goal is to destabilize Ukraine and get it back under the Russian thumb. Even the Russian speakers don’t want that. Ukraine has it’s problems, but Russia is slowly sinking in a morass of Putin’s making.

    The east is going to save anyone. The east can’t save itself.

  296. peterAUS says:
    @TT

    Your reek of psychopath spending 24hrs trolling the net to satisfy your unquenchable quarrelsome morbid is excessive.

    Don’t say…..

    • Replies: @TT
  297. Svigor says:

    Oh there was lots of content Retardo…

    Maybe you missed it…but the content was that your Soros sockpuppet squeaking about hypersonics is quite hilarious…

    Yeah I bet you can spend hours playing with Tinkertoys too, flathead.

  298. TT says:
    @FB

    Don’t you remember, im not from China. So you can ask some chicom to entertain your China bashing.

    And you have consistently display a treacherous hypocrite characteristics, while you always pretending to sing praise to China & licking my boots spinelessly, but will never hesitate to throw China under bus to smear it. You even find great sadistic joy in KSA wahabism spreading terrible terrorism to China, when it also cause much suffering in Russia Chechnya & many countries. There is no friendship with treachery fox like you.

    Its not just me you attack relentlessly for no good reason, but nearly everyone. You are going around shooting every commenters like a psychopath. Unz should banned you.

    You need seek treatment before losing total control.

  299. TT says:
    @peterAUS

    Peter, i salute your amazing tolerance to be troll by potatohead FB regularly for months without slight response.

    He is displaying increasing abnormal obsession in his quarrel quest & name calling everywhere in unz. Its like a rabid going around searching for people to bite. Even i used to get nice comment from him is getting unwarranted relentless attack. He really need treatment before become physically violent with mass shooting one day.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @peterAUS
  300. FB says:
    @Sean

    ‘…The theoretical capacity of the four Vanguard-class submarines is 64 missiles and 768 warheads however the UK decided to purchase only 58 missiles from the United States and each submarine carried only 48 warheads,[82] In 2010 this was reduced to a maximum of 40 warheads split between 8 missiles…’

    Ooh…Russia is quaking in her boots I’m sure…

    Here is what PCR says about ‘mighty’ UK…

    ‘…Actually, the UK, a militarily insignificant country, would not have dared to make this level of provocation to Russia, which is capable of wiping the British off of the face of the earth in a few minutes at zero cost to Russia…’

    I agree with PCR…UK is a pipsqueak and was mighty grateful to Russia in WW2…else Dung Beetles like you [and your mom] would be speaking German now…

    ‘…Britain’s conservative The Daily Telegraph proclaimed that the victory had saved European civilisation.

    The country celebrated “Red Army Day” on 23 February 1943.

    A ceremonial Sword of Stalingrad was forged by King George VI. After being put on public display in Britain, this was presented to Stalin by Winston Churchill at the Tehran Conference later in 1943…’

    The presentation of the Sword of Stalingrad at the Tehran Conference…

    As for you and your Dung Beetle family…I really don’t give a you know what…

    • Replies: @Sean
  301. FB says:
    @TT

    LOL…

    I see you found a new Potatohead friend…

    Good Times..!

    • Replies: @Kiza
  302. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Please don’t make any more remarks of that kind about my beautiful mum and her house that smells of freshly baked bread, you son of a rabid goat.

    His mother smelled of elderberries.

  303. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t condone the US war against Russia, but I believe that Russia killed Litvinenko and poisoned both the father and daughter in the recent incident.

    Putin was a GRU man and to him traitorous spies should be eliminated.

    He did not allow Russians to be questioned in the Litvinenko poisoning.

    Russia did it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sean
  304. Kiza says:
    @FB

    It would really be helpful if you could take it down a notch and refocus on good discussion.

    • Replies: @FB
  305. FB says:
    @Kiza

    Thank you sir…

    The comment from the Peanut Gallery has been duly noted…

    …and filed appropriately…

  306. peterAUS says:
    @TT

    Peter, i salute your amazing tolerance to be troll by potatohead FB regularly for months without slight response.

    Experience mate, experience.
    Been on Internet since the days of 33.6 kbit/s modems.
    And, say, had some real life experience in dealing with similar types. Purely professional.

    He is displaying increasing abnormal obsession in his quarrel quest & name calling everywhere in unz. Its like a rabid going around searching for people to bite. Even i used to get nice comment from him is getting unwarranted relentless attack.

    Well…free speech brother. Besides, you do not need to read his posts, really. There is even that “ignore” button here.

    He really need treatment before become physically violent with mass shooting one day.

    Well, you could think about that as providing a valuable service to the community by being his target. More he shits on you, or anyone for that matter, less likely he’ll to do it in real life. Imagine how his family, friends, neighbours and coworkers would appreciate your effort.

    Besides, I’d suggest using this as a learning experience. “How to spot…..the type.
    Maybe, you could even do an exercise:try to spot another one here, on UNZ.

    All good.

    • Replies: @TT
  307. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    As the Saker doesn’t seem to be responding to comments perhaps you would take the trouble, as Russia’s staunchest warrior on UR threads, to comment on this story.

    Current edition
    Erasmus
    Religion and human rights
    A good Russian is vindicated on the Orthodox church’s holy day
    Light prevails over darkness, in one case at least

    [MORE]

    Erasmus
    Apr 6th 2018by ERASMUS
    TODAY is Good Friday in the Orthodox Christian calendar. All over the eastern Christian world, from villages in Greece and Romania to cathedrals in Moscow, it is a day of haunting ceremonies that re-enact the death and burial of Jesus. There are chants of deep lamentation, interlaced with quietly confident declarations that mortality has been conquered and life will prevail. This builds up to the noisy, exuberant Resurrection festivities which take place on the night from Saturday to Sunday. This year, for some rank-and-file Russian Orthodox believers, the story of a just man unfairly accused but ultimately vindicated has even greater poignancy.

    To the relief of human-rights campaigners inside and outside Russia, a brave historian who has devoted his life to uncovering, literally and metaphorically, the crimes of the Stalin era was largely acquitted this week of the surreal charges which had been laid against him. Prosecutors were demanding a nine-year prison term. A court in northwestern Russia cleared Yuri Dimitriyev (pictured) of most of the accusations he faced, including those of “child pornography” and “depravity” which were based on photographs he took to trace the development of his infirm adopted daughter.

    As head of the local branch of Memorial, an organisation which investigates and records the atrocities of Soviet times, he had uncovered a mass grave near his home town of Petrozavodsk and shown that it contained victims of the Great Terror of the 1930s. His arrest in December 2016 was universally seen by supporters as a cynical attempt to muzzle him. Only one charge, that of possessing “parts of a firearm’’, was upheld and he will face certain restrictions on his freedom for several months as a result. But as a whole the verdict was a great relief. The politically compliant hierarchs who will lead this weekend’s Easter ceremonies in the biggest churches of Moscow have not had much to say about this touchstone human-rights saga but at lower levels of the church it has been different.

    Father Alexei Uminsky, a cleric who has won respect as shepherd of an Orthodox community in central Moscow for three decades, recorded a video in which he spoke of “absolute confidence” in Mr Dimitriyev’s innocence and his own “deep respect” for the campaigner’s work to uncover the crimes of the atheist Soviet regime. The priest assured Mr Dimitriyev that thousands of believers were praying for his acquittal and compared him to the persecuted Christians to whom St Paul addressed his epistles.

    The video was posted on a popular and well-connected Russian Orthodox website which is far from being a nest of liberal thinking, on theology or anything else. The fact that Mr Dimitriyev faced such charges is an indicator of some very dark forces at work in Russia: forces which don’t want people to be aware of the horrific human consequences of totalitarianism. As Father Alexei and his flock will doubtless be reflecting this Easter weekend, the outcome was a welcome reminder that dark forces don’t always get their own way, especially when they are confronted with absolute integrity.

    ******* *******

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  308. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Let me guess – you also believe that life is like a box of chocolates?

    • LOL: FB
  309. TT says:
    @peterAUS

    Well…free speech brother. Besides, you do not need to read his posts, really. There is even that “ignore” button here.

    Yes free speech are like you, speak your mind without haunting everyone like a rabid. Ignored done. There is no friendship with a treacherous two head snake.

    Imagine how his family, friends, neighbours and coworkers would appreciate your effort.

    I will give you that honor, sir. Rejoy your kindness.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  310. myself says:
    @FB

    Of course, the context.

    In which case there is no need to “kowtow”, which is inadvisable for anyone. The best course of action is to IGNORE the US in this instance.

  311. denk says:
    @FB

    I believe my response was a good reminder to Han Potatoheads who go around tossing about the phrase ‘kowtow’ in a mocking manner…

    Han China has long outgrown that Manchu court hubris.

    Meet the new Qing of 21C,

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/japans-abe-kowtows-to-u-s-imperial-elite/

    Kowtow to me, friend or foe, or I’ll bring democrazy to you !
    hehehhe

  312. Sean says:
    @FB

    Much of your comment was illegible, except for the numerical code names, I have determined that number five is a Putin double used in the plot to frame Russia.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol50no1/9_BK_What_Stalin_Knew.htm

    ” Murphy reprints two secret letters from Hitler to Stalin that he found in the published Russian sources, hitherto unknown in the West. In these, the Führer seeks to reassure the Soviet dictator about the scarcely concealable German military buildup in eastern Europe. Hitler confides to Stalin that troops were being moved east to protect them from British bombing and to conceal the preparations for the invasion of the British Isles. He concludes with an assurance “on my honor as a head of state” that Germany would not attack the Soviet Union.[2] Some may question the authenticity of these letters, but they are difficult to dismiss out of hand. Assuming they are genuine, they add to what is perhaps the most bewildering paradox of the Soviet-German war: Stalin, the man who trusted no one, trusted Hitler.”

    http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/Articles/99spring/hooker.htm

    Stalin understood that he was freeing Hitler to strike in the west by making a pact with Hitler. In effect he facilitated it. The British considered the Soviet Union to be the real problem,Stalin had already grabbed the Baltic states plus parts of Finland and Rumania. The British were mobilizing against the USSR over the war with Finland even after declaring war with Germany.The British guarantee to Poland originally covered only their independence; the British thought allowing Germany to take Polish land was acceptable and it would make war between Germany and the USSR quite likely (Chamberlain’s strategy). Only after the Nazi-Soviet Pact was anounced was the guarantee extended to Polands territory because at that point the British decided war was necessary; Germany and the USSR being friendly was not acceptable.

    Clearly Stalin wanted to sit the war between the capitalists out and reap the rewards. Neville Chamberlain wanted to see the fighting done by the Germans and Bolshies, we know he thought that because he said so to a meeting of important Tories.With the the Nazi-Soviet pact the powerful Soviet deterent to any aggression was out of the equation and the British realized the balance of power had moved against them, which was unacceptable in a way that war between the Nazis and Soviets was not. If Hitler didn’t have to worry about the Soviets at his back that suddenly made all the previous calculations obsolete.

    Although Stalin may have anticipated territorial demands or military pressure such as border incidents he was astounded when Hitler subjected the USSR to an all out attack with the promethean goal of conquering the soiet state. Everybody underestimated the effectiveness of the combination of Hitler decisiveness and the German army’s fighting power. There was nothing Stalin could do at that point because his forces were out of position, being in an offensive posture for they were too far forward. Stalin’s orders, when they came, were to stand and fight. That played into the Germans hands and allowed then to cut off and destroy much of the huge Soviet forces that Stalin had so foolishly concentrated along the border, especially in the south opposite Romania.

    It was only because Hitler – against the advice of every military professional – decided to halt the drive to Moscow that the Soviet state was not overthrown in 1941.

    That’s not to say the British wanted a German dominated Eurasia, like everone else they never expected the Germans to do as well as they did. Hitler threw away victory in Europe after his troops had crushed the Soviet field armies defending Moscow by August 1941. The Nazis were defeated by a combination of the Allied bombing and the Soviet army 50/50. the Soviets got a vast amont of materiel (eg 400,000) trucks from the US; they’d never have been able to beat Nazi Germany by themselves.
    Britain could never have been invaded by Germany, we had a navy and airforce.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton
    Sutton argued that … that the Soviet Union’s acquisition of MIRV technology was made possible by receiving (from US sources) machining equipment for the manufacture of precision ball bearings, necessary to mass-produce MIRV-enabled missiles.

    [...] … text of his 1972 testimony before Subcommittee VII of the Platform Committee of the Republican Party in which he summarized the essential aspects of his overall research:

    In a few words: there is no such thing as Soviet technology. Almost all — perhaps 90–95 percent — came directly or indirectly from the United States and its allies. In effect the United States and the NATO countries have built the Soviet Union. Its industrial and its military capabilities. This massive construction job has taken 50 years. Since the Revolution in 1917. It has been carried out through trade and the sale of plants, equipment and technical assistance.

    Russia is good at weaponizing Western technology that they barely understand.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @FB
    , @FB
  313. my2cents says:
    @Franklin

    Saker’s views on Orthodoxy are well known and seen through tinted glasses. By quoting the Gospel of John he shows that he knows little if anything about the TEACHINGS of Jesus. Jesus spoke in Parables while the Gospel of John has Jesus telling stories. Why he brings up the John’s text in this context is not clear. Equally not clear is his comment on the Reformation that was, according to him, heavily influenced by Judaism, which on its face, is absurd. .
    History is vastly more complex then Saker paints it to be.
    More than 150 Biblical Scholars (Jesus Seminar) determined that the Gospel of John should NOT be part of the Bible. They would replace it with the Gospel of Thomas which is a “Saying Gospel”
    Orthodoxy’s weakness (as are the weaknesses of all Christian Religions) is concentrating on “teachings ABOUT Jesus” immaculate conception, dying for our sins and the resurrection, which hails from Mithra and numerous other pagan religions during that time rather than His teachings.
    Current Christianity INCLUDING Orthodoxy are human constructs based on Dogmas and Doctrines none of which have their origins in the Bible. Churches are closing all over Europe….Not because people lack faith. People receive no comfort from Dogmas/Doctrines and empty rituals.
    The seek spirituality which Jesus taught but which are not heard in Christian churches today.

  314. peterAUS says:
    @TT

    Ignored done.

    Yup.

    I will give you that honor, sir. Rejoy your kindness.

    That was a joke, of course.

    But, as I said, you could use this as a good learning experience. You could, again, re-reread those posts and mark the parts, spots, which define them. When you see the same, or very similar, that’s the “type”. Soon you’ll be able to spot them in instant.
    It’s said that there is 1 % of those types among us. Internet tends to bring them
    into open (there is even a study about that). Say, my experience is that you have at least a couple on any….any…non moderated or loosely moderated Internet site. On this one I got in…”discussion”…with two, so far.

    Now, they are usually intelligent and educated, with some expertise in related matters. Usually, not always, so could bring value into discussion. Could.

    The catch is to balance the…”vibe” they bring with the values they add. As long as the balance is, say, 50/50, well, you could decide to keep “discussing”. If they go over 50 % in the “vibe”, well, then you cut them out. Your call.

    I like to compare that to questioning a “bad guy”. You need some information from him/her and you’ll definitely get a lot of shit and verbal abuse with it.

    All part of the game and, well, what makes all this interesting, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @TT
  315. Josecanuc says:
    @Twodees Partain

    We are their slaves – the Jews are our Quatermasters.” Martin Luther, Germany, 1504

  316. Josecanuc says:
    @Issac

    ”but Israel has no reason to see Russia bullied into submission. China does.”

    As usual in concealing reality i.e., the truth you reverse reality and the truth.
    Reality & the Truth is that “China has no reason….and the only nation on the earth that does (and is actually obligated to bully Russia into submission is Israel ( ‘may God Rule’)
    The unbreakable Covenant with YHWH is another reason. It is the Jews ‘yoke and burden’ because it is a Holy Business contract more unbreakable than Christian West’s burden and yoke bond covenant with Israel.

    In the Alenu, the prayer that closes every Jewish service the Jews chant: ‘Lord We await to see your Splendor Perfecting The World. Then will humanity RECOGNIZE & KNOW that to you EVERY KNEE MUST BEND, EVERY TONGUE PLEDGE LOYALTY & may they all accept the YOKE OF YOUR JEWISH KINGDOM (Israel i.e., ‘May God Rule’ through the Holy Chosen Jews ’) – and MAY YOU RULE OVER THEM (thru the holy chosen Jews) SOON & FOR ALL TIME.’

    Israel’s covenant burden yoke with YHWH to be mankind’s blessing and light, and to uplift humanity, and heal and cure and inherit (acquire) the earth doesn’t say anything about except Russia, China, Iran, et al does it? No it doesn’t does it?

    Amongst all the nations of the world only Israel (along with Israel’s hopelessly subjugated Christian West and all its equally unlucky international allies ) has a contractual reason with YHWh to bully Russia (and Iran and anyone else who refuses come willingly and to enter Israel’s “Jewish magic circle’.

  317. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    America won’t fight Russia, even if some fool like McCain was pres, the American military would refuse to obey such orders mainly because the Russian forces would be so badly beaten so quickly by the US that Russian use of a battlefield nuke might be contemplated by a bad loser local commander. The Cuba crisis showed that Russian command and control is easily disrupted under the pressure of events. No, it will be proxy wars, which the unfortunate inhabitants of third countries will pay for with their lives. Obama was Russia’s dream president he let them do exactly what they wanted and Ukraine and Syria (especially) were the result.

    I think Putin is deliberately driving the West away from Russia, with an eye to what happens when he is no longer there, he is like DeGaulle, knowing there was nothing he could do to prevent his country falling under the sway of Germany and all resistance to cultural Americanization collapsing after his departure from power. (“Mutulization” Macron is the ultimate proof of DeGaulle’s prescience).

    Germany’s historical anti-Russian ally Turkey is a key element of Russia’s pipeline project for sending natural gas to Europe ( bypassing Ukraine). As always the Germans are trying to reorder everything on a grand scale. German exports to Iran are soaring after removal of sanctions. The Germans are as usual selling advanced technology capital goods to China, aiding its rise to mega-power status. Long term, Russia should worry about China not the US.

    This second assassination coming on top of the troll warfare apps (services they paid for in rubles) are sooo blatant it is difficult to see anything but an attempt to repel the West as Putin’s desired outcome. Deep down, he knows most of the top figures in Russia have no principled objections to Western influence, but he is going to queer their pitch.

  318. @Sean

    “decided to halt the drive to Moscow”

    My understanding is that Hitler wanted to halt and dig-in during the fall previous to the final drive on Moscow. The Wehrmacht was superior at construction of defensive bunkers. The final push would come in the spring.

    The generals were for pushing in November and December. They didn’t know that would be one of the coldest winters on record.

    Recent analysis of casualty figures show, contrary to Stalin’s propaganda, there was no indication of intense fighting on either side in December and January.

    • Replies: @FB
  319. FB says:
    @Sean

    Look Dung Beetle…I don’t carry on discussions with insects…

    I already pegged you as an illiterate bumpkin who has traveled nowhere and certainly not to Russia…

    You just proved your illiteracy by saying my comment was ‘illegible’…

    How can printed text on a computer screen be illegible…?

    Other than to a complete illiterate…

    Here is the definition of the word ‘illegible’…

    ‘…not legible; impossible or hard to read or decipher because of poor handwriting, faded print, etc…’

    You probably meant to say ‘unintelligible’…but you are too uneducated to have a respectable vocabulary…

    You earlier said this…

    ‘…We need to be ready willing and able to kill 30 millionRussians so we are going to need many more missiles…’

    Who goes around talking about ‘needing’ to kill 30 million people…?

    Clearly you are quite sick…

    You have nothing to contribute here other than stench and you cannot even express that articulately…[look it up]…

    Buzz off and do not address me again…I have no time for illiterates…

  320. FB says:
    @Johnny Rico

    ‘…Recent analysis of casualty figures show, contrary to Stalin’s propaganda, there was no indication of intense fighting on either side in December and January…’

    Since it is well known that you go around pulling nonsense out your arse…you will be asked to provide a citation here…

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  321. FB says:
    @Sean

    Oh…almost forgot Dungmeister…

    Since my last comment was ‘illegible’ to you…maybe this will clear things up…

  322. TT says:
    @peterAUS

    That’s not a joke,… these are tell signs before turn physical. But im in no mood to play saint for treacherous double head snake, they bite when you let down guard no matter how much you help them.

    You & me served in regular army before, so there are some basic knowledge & common sense how army SOP & deployment is done. Its no mean joke to be in real battle field, less highly charged terrorists killing zone. Civilians are deployed only in secured area for non combat duty, while mercenaries are useless canon fodder boots USM adopted to cut military war casualties number after complete invasion.

    Once my family member was mobilized for a hostile Muslim neighbour threat, with complete war live ammunition distributed for high alert, he told its lifetime ball shrinking experience for everyone knowing its real.

    Ordinary soldier is simply not psychological trained for those real killing field, that’s why most just empty magazines hysterically in slightest scare. USM is deploying only SoF even its so safe to be with their own created creatures.

    And i prefer to discuss with civilized people, if they find me not talking sense just ignore or educate me. That’s basic game rule, everyone is free to speak & ignore, but no name calling & persistent harassing attack.

    Thks for sharing how to play the game. I have been for decades never engage in forum discussion, only just started these few mths after finding unz so interesting. Still learning.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  323. @FB

    Interesting. You must be confusing me with another commenter. I usually provide citations without being asked.

    And always when I am asked.

    In a related note, while I wait for you to ask, is there anyone here you haven’t misjudged?

    • Replies: @FB
  324. peterAUS says:
    @TT

    That’s not a joke,… these are tell signs before turn physical.

    Those couple of guys here don’t strike me as such. Just me.

    ….they bite when you let down guard no matter how much you help them.

    One of their telltale signals .

    You & me served in regular army before, so there are some basic knowledge & common sense how army SOP & deployment is done.

    True, in general.
    Now, in these current conflicts that’s not necessarily the case, for a couple of reasons.
    Current conflicts are peculiar “engagements” where SOPs are, sometimes, even deliberately skewed or plainly discarded.
    We live in “gray areas” of modern warfare. That, actually, does make all that so interesting.

    Civilians are deployed only in secured area for non combat duty, while mercenaries are useless canon fodder boots USM adopted to cut military war casualties number after complete invasion.

    Can’t say I’d agree with this statement.
    Civilians are used as a tool, even as a weapon in modern conflicts, especially by weaker side. Not always by weaker, even. In Kosovo, for example, civilians were used by the much stronger side and quite successfully.
    As for mercs, well, it depends what outfit they are in. Some merc outfits are populated, from top to bottom, with former top tier operators (ex-SAS for example). True, some other are simply human trash used as cannon fodder.
    I, personally, know a couple of mercs and they are ex-LEO and ex-military guys, quite experienced and competent.
    True, in general they are used for political reasons related to deniability and casualties.

    Ordinary soldier is simply not psychological trained for those real killing field, that’s why most just empty magazines hysterically in slightest scare. USM is deploying only SoF even its so safe to be with their own created creatures.

    Well, again, depends what you consider as an “ordinary soldier”.
    British Paras and Royal Marines, after completing their full training circle, are, IMHO, quite capable for “real killing field”. The same, of course, applies to Ghurkas, US Marines etc.
    I am also positive that any First World army infantry unit, fully manned by personnel who completed full training for their role, is quite ready for that “real killing field”.
    As for SoF, true, but as a tip of the spear. “Ordinary” units are definitely there as a part of wider engagement or to, should things get out of control, get in and help the teams.

    And i prefer to discuss with civilized people, if they find me not talking sense just ignore or educate me. That’s basic game rule, everyone is free to speak & ignore, but no name calling & persistent harassing attack.

    Haha…not quite.
    Around 90 % of posters, anywhere on Internet, aren’t there to “discuss as civilized people”. Hell no. They are there to either deliver their agendas or simply do cater for their psychological, mostly emotional,needs. Around 10 %, tops, are posting/reading to actually learn something. And among those 10 % probably a couple of guys who like to share their knowledge and experience with other people. On this site, my estimate, you have 2-3 guys like that, popping every now and then, sometimes anonymous.

    Thks for sharing how to play the game. I have been for decades never engage in forum discussion, only just started these few mths after finding unz so interesting. Still learning.

    UNZ is unique, and I always state my compliments to the owner (with whom I actually disagreed a couple of times….) and to the mods, because it does allow free speech. That’s quite something today.
    It would be pity that, in spite of that, “groupthink” and agenda setters take over the site. Not impossible.

    So, bottom line, don’t take people here too seriously. Me included. Read what you find interesting, skip what you don’t, ignore types you don’t like and you’ll get bits and pieces of useful info, even deep insights sometimes, here.

    As I said…around 90 % here is trash, 8 % is O.K. but the real value are those 2 % every now and then popping up here. Say, once in a week, on average. On average. Sometimes there are weeks without that, and, sometimes, just in one thread you can really read several posts with something really good there.

    Good luck.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @TT
  325. FB says:
    @Johnny Rico

    ‘…In a related note, while I wait for you to ask…’

    What a buttwhistler…

    I called you out on your lack of citation…and here you are now blowing smoke out your wazoo…

    Either put up or shut up…

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  326. @FB

    Just answer the question. Am I wrong?

  327. Sean says:
    @Johnny Rico

    The plan was for a drive straight on Moscow, but after a war game they added a northern thrust and a southern one, in addition to going along the Moscow so called highway (with was not a real all weather road). Hitler never liked the idea, and was talking in terms of stopping army group centre and using its mobile forces fo rtaking Leningrad and Ukraine and them mounting a giant pincer movement to encircle Moscow early the following year.

    They didn’t do that but had to contend with the rasputitsa, and then a terrible winter because they stopped for almost two months in front of Smolensk,while the road was open (and as Timoshenko admitted to Stalin, they’d run out out of tanks) instead of two weeks for resting and refitting before an all out offensive to destroy the enemy army as Fedor Von Bock wanted. It is true Hitler was a great one for digging in, under pressure his WW1 mindset came to the fore.

    I quoted an intelligence professional on how Stalin was duped by Hitler. Here is a military professional on Hitler’s fatal error was to not order his armies to follow up their success.

    http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/Parameters/articles/99spring/hooker.htm

    On 22 June 1941 the German armed forces crossed the Polish border to begin the largest land battle in history. Six months later, Hitler’s exhausted panzers ground to a halt on the outskirts of Moscow itself, never to advance farther in the three and a half years left of the Nazi regime. For more than 50 years, the settled verdict of history has been not merely that the Wehrmacht failed to defeat the Red Army and win the Second World War, but that it could not.[2] The conventional wisdom is that German planners grossly miscalculated the task before them, embarking on a mission impossible to achieve and one leading directly to gotterdamerung for the German people and dismemberment for the German state.

    Yet the truth may be altogether different.[3] Distorted not only by the Allied victory in the west, but also by Russia’s eventual, crushing victory in the east, the cold evidence suggests something quite different. In fact, the German army stood on the threshold of a shattering victory in August 1941. Only Hitler’s decision to send the panzers of Army Group Center away from Moscow and into the Ukraine robbed the Wehrmacht of a victory that would have changed the world for generations. For five decades, a skewed interpretation has led American military thinkers to ignore and denigrate the wellsprings of German military power. The best lessons of World War II may well lie, largely ignored, in the ashes of history. [...]/blockquote>

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  328. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Timing.

    Civilians are deployed only in secured area for non combat duty

    with

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43691291

    The….world….we live in. For now.

    I am starting to miss eighties. Never thought it could happen.

  329. a-german says:

    The fleet? Forget it. They will be go home to “defense the country”, whatever it is or was. Call it Yamamoto, Tirpitz, Bismark or whatever else. They didn’t have any chance in worldwar II if the are found. Now you can see the shape from space and eliminate them with a robot..

    Tanks, Army, Infantry. The same, only history. Even the US wins wars only against IIIrd world countries, sometimes , if there is no jungle.

    Next war is last war. Not because of the nuclear weapons. It will be a drone war. Kills everything with a infrared emission near 37° Celsius. Without not even one man loss on the own side.

    You can make them autonomous, with solar cells, nerve gas, bullets or rockets or any other explosive.

    Read Stanislav Lem “The Invincible”. Then you know what will happen. Inevitable if we don’t come to see reason. If you like it more visual, see this prophetic film take (warning: not for the faint hearted)

    Alien: Covenant | David Kills The Engineers

    Btw. I am a embedded system developer, civil tech but knowing whats possible.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  330. peterAUS says:
    @a-german

    I am a embedded system developer, civil tech but knowing whats possible.

    vs

    I am a Navy Electronics Technician but knowing what’s possible in the IoT field.

    So…no. Not really.
    A bit, on a basic and superficial level, only.

    War is a bit more complex activity than pure technology involved there.

    That topic is so big that we could talk for a month with 1000 comments at least.

    Some other time.

  331. TT says:
    @peterAUS

    Civilians are used as a tool, even as a weapon in modern conflicts, especially by weaker side. Not always by weaker, even. In Kosovo, for example, civilians were used by the much stronger side and quite successfully.

    Im talking about civilians contractors & mercenaries deployed to Syria base, not militias like Syrian/Iraqis/Irans/Hezbollah fighters all effective to fight & die fiercely in big number. Its for duties like security for sensitive areas in bases without using locals, medical, logistic, ration, maintenance, etc. If they were to engaged in war front, these mercs are equally highly trained ex-army specialists or concealed without insignia.

    As for mercs, well, it depends what outfit they are in. Some merc outfits are populated, from top to bottom, with former top tier operators (ex-SAS for example). True, some other are simply human trash used as cannon fodder.
    I, personally, know a couple of mercs and they are ex-LEO and ex-military guys, quite experienced and competent.
    True, in general they are used for political reasons related to deniability and casualties.

    USM used to have only few hundreds of SF for special missions like embedded with Afghan warlords bandits to fight Taliban. Obama increased it to few thousands to embed with terrorists to subvert ME & Africa, selected from best green beret & marines to train specially.

    Its not for Iraq shooting fish in barrel cakewalk or aftermath patrolling purpose, otherwise tens of thousands US marines is enough, no need deployed 2000s SF in Syria war zone.

    Its a very complex war from two sides each having lot of top notch advisors, Airforce, heavy weapons, intelligent, high tech warfare, SF embeded in willing to die fighters/terrorists.

    On one side is tyranny USM Nato Turkey & Gulf states with terrorists(inc ex-Iraqi army). Another is RuA, Iran Rev Guards, Syria SAA, Hezbollah & Iraqi Shiah fighters all very motivated effective force. In such scenario, only highly trained Russian SF, Specialists like electronic warfare, Advisors & Pilots, some trainers for SAA are required, no need ordinary mercs foot soldiers to be canon fodder.

  332. TT says:

    Now that USM has attacked SAA (hence Russia & its ally) T4 airport again, killing 14 via Israel F15s from Lebanon airspace, we will see what Russian do to live up to their usual obscured warning of taking appropriate action to their projectiles & launchers against Russia & its ally.

    This is a warning to Russia, release all our advisors & terrorists in East Ghouta or we will strike you.

    Russia has to choose if to:

    As usual way:
    1) There were no Russians killed, SAA & Iranians are not our ally.

    2) Some Russia civilians(after removed their insignia) were killed, they happened at wrong place & wrong time again. Criminal Russian mercenaries like camel riding in desert which we can’t control.

    3) Look, we kept our promised in striking down a few projectiles & let launchers got away under our nose. Now we can’t identify which F15 & pilots did the launching, appropriate action is to issue another new warning to our partners to close case. Its not appropriate to strike innocent USM/Israel bases who are not the exact “launchers”.

    4) As in Allepo case, let all US Nato Israel Gulf terrorists advisors hiding in East Ghouta basement get away in dark tinted luxury coaches and then whine in UN with a list of their name no one care. Likely done deal as the terrorists already getting away in free coaches.

    Will Russia heed PCR advice, counterstrike USM & Israel bases with double damage as deterrent? Arrest all their hiding terrorists advisors & parade them in public, sent for ICJ trial to expose US Nato Israel Gulf terrorism? Very unlikely, hence the murky soft warning from its highest General.

    China foreign office has proclaimed it must strike US very hard in trade war at all cost like Korea war, so to teach US a painful lesson & earn its reputation of “my words mean action” as deterrent for any future harassment.

  333. FB says:

    ‘…Now that USM has attacked SAA (hence Russia & its ally) T4 airport again, killing 14 via Israel F15s from Lebanon airspace, we will see what Russian do to live up to their usual obscured warning…’

    Well Pototatohead TT shows his true stripes…even while Russia is spilling blood in Syria they are to be mocked as weak and even silly…

    Nice going Potatohead…

    ‘…China foreign office has proclaimed it must strike US very hard in trade war at all cost like Korea war, so to teach US a painful lesson…’

    Oh yeah…now Unz readers are supposed to buy the Potatohead notion that a ‘trade war’ is the same as a shooting war…only chop-socky China is soo tough…[but not tough enough to send actual soldiers to Syria where thousands of Chinese Uyghur muslim terrorists are fighting...]

    On the bright side…it is nice to see the throbbing bromance between our two resident Potatoheads…Potatohead TT and Potatohead PeterAus…

  334. FB says:

    Breaking news…

    China just abstained from UNSC vote on US resolution on Syria chemical attack…

    Russia vetoed the resolution and was joined in the nay vote by Bolivia…

    So much for Flaker’s thesis about China stepping up…

    • Replies: @myself
  335. myself says:
    @FB

    China always abstains. Doesn’t mean anything, neither for nor against.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  336. Erebus says:
    @myself

    Yeah, a double veto is no more effective than a single. The Chinese and Russian UN teams coordinate their voting at the UNSC, so there’s nothing to be read into it. Now if China had voted with the US….

    • Replies: @TT
  337. TT says:
    @Erebus

    China & Russia are always working as a team in UNSC, but they have mutual protocol. Very well behave, rationale and respectful, unlike West hysteria liars work like a peck of clowns losing all credibility in the world.

    China just do a very unusual thing by sending its new Defense Minister to Russia, announcing China is there to be in solidarity with Russia against US diplomatic bully. The rare pinpointing of US name tyranny & backing of Russia with a minister responsible for defense at most tense moment is glaring.

    And some Chinese told me, not juz China special force is in Syria, a whole spectrum of most senior military advisors & specialists are in Syria war zone. No better real war training than this for China to prepare for its future crash with US in Taiwan or SCS islands.

    Russia has shown its indisputable impressive superior military integrated system in Syria war that China has reason to finance it as training, with oil & BRI geopolitical struggle with West empire.

    But China & Iran can’t shoot down any US Nato Israel launchers without Russia consent. If Russia failed to take some strong counter action for Israel attack quickly to live up its credibility, the next bombing will be massive, as USM is gathering its strike groups & many missile vessels in ME now for a big showdown. Israel strike is a test water.

    As i emphasized repeatedly, Paul Craig Roberts has better knowledge of Russia situation to clearly said,
    WILL RUSSIA WAKEUP

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/03/14/will-russia-wake/

    What if the Russian
    government simply told
    Washington: “If you or your
    terrorist mercenaries attack
    Syrian forces, we will
    eliminate your presence in
    the Middle East and Israel as
    well.” This is something that
    Russia can do at the drop of
    a hat.
    (not take appropriate action on projectiles & its lauchers)

    And there is simply nothing USM & its lackeys can do other then wet their pants if Russia will to launch twice of 8 missiles to destroy some Israel airfields as a stern warning to USM, we are REAL this time.

    May be a China general should takeover the command in Syria, and display the same determination to fight USM in last year SCS crisis to have Trumps withdraw like Obama.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  338. Erebus says:
    @TT

    Yeah, there’s an awful hue and cry from many quarters for Russia to hit back hard, but I’m sorta doubtful the effect will be that desired. Both side’s brain trusts have gamed it all out, and the West’s are now looking at incorporating the new “game-changers” Putin announced.
    Had the West’s decided they could win, I expect they would have already tried.

    So far, for all the West’s flailing about, Russia and its allies have proceeded according to well considered, long-laid plans, apparently unfazed by the political shit storm the West has thrown up.

    What has all that shit accomplished? Nothing. What’s their follow-up? Throw even more shit into the fan. Salvo after salvo of shit, as if that was a credible deterrent. If they could throw missiles, they would. They can’t, so they throw what’s to hand.

    What has all that doubling down accomplished? Planned smartly and well executed, it may well have had a desirable effect. As it is, it accomplishes exactly what the Russian/Chinese side want… their own populations are flabbergasted, and the rest of the world ain’t far behind. The world watches the West’s credibility floating out on the tide of shit they created. When the time comes for Russia/China to make their coup de gras, it’ll be financial and political and few will lament the West’s passing.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d swear the Mays, Macrons, Merkels, Johnsons, Haleys, Boltons, etc etc were Russian plants. They’re putting a “DNR” notice on the West’s medical chart.

    An anecdote I posted elsewhere from the Foreman-Ali fight in Zaire captures, I think, the essence of the situation the West finds itself in.

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russians-are-flabbergasted/#comment-2286051

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