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Today, with the kind permission of Phil Butler, I am posting the full text of my contribution to his book “Putin’s Praetorians: Confessions of the Top Kremlin Trolls“. There are a couple of reasons for that. The main one is that I strongly believe that this book deserves a much bigger visibility than it has received (this is also why, exceptionally, I am placing this post in the top “analyses” category and not elsewhere). Please read my review here to see why I feel so strongly about this book. Frankly, I am rather shocked by the very little amount of reviews this book as generated. I don’t even know if somebody besides Russia Insider has bothered writing a review of it or not, but even if somebody has, it is still a crying shame that this most interesting volume has been so far ignored by the alternative media including the one friendly to Russia. So by posting my own contribution here I want to bring back this book to the “front page”, so to speak, of our community. Second, I want to ask for your help. Right now the Kindle version of the book has 15 reviews on Amazon and only 1 review for the printed paper version. This is not enough. I am therefore asking you to 1) buy the book (Amazon wants reviews by purchasers) and 2) write a review on Amazon. Guys – that is something most of you can do to help, so please do so! We need to show the world that there is what I call “another West” which, far from being russophobic is, in fact, capable of producing real friends and even defenders of Russia. So, please, do your part, help Phil in his heroic struggle, get the paper version of the book and review it on Amazon!

Thanks a lot for your help, hugs and cheers.

By birth, experience, and training, I truly had everything needed to hate Putin. I was born in a family of “White Russians” whose anti-Communism was total and visceral.

My childhood was filled with (mostly true) stories about atrocities and massacres committed by the Bolsheviks during the revolution and subsequent civil war. Since my father had left me, I had an exiled Russian Orthodox Archbishop as a spiritual father, and through him, I learned of all the genocidal persecutions the Bolsheviks unleashed against the Orthodox Church.

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At the age of 16, I had already read the three volumes of the “Gulag Archipelago” and carefully studied the history of WWII. By 18 I was involved in numerous anti-Soviet activities such as distributing anti-Soviet propaganda in the mailboxes of Soviet diplomats or organizing the illegal importation of banned books into the Soviet Union through the Soviet merchant marine and fishing fleet (mostly at their station in the Canary Islands). I was also working with an undercover group of Orthodox Christians sending help, mainly in the form of money, to the families of jailed dissidents. And since I was fluent in Russian, my military career took me from a basic training in electronic warfare, to a special unit of linguists for the General Staff of the Swiss military, to becoming a military analyst for the strategic intelligence service of Switzerland.

The Soviet authorities had long listed me, and my entire family, as dangerous anti-Soviet activists and I, therefore, could not travel to Russia until the fall of Communism in 1991 when I immediately caught the first available flight and got to Moscow while the barricades built against the GKChP coup were still standing. Truly, by this fateful month of August 1991, I was a perfect anti-Soviet activist and an anti-Communist hardliner. I even took a photo of myself standing next to the collapsed statue of Felix Derzhinsky (the founder of the ChK – the first Soviet Secret police) with my boot pressed on his iron throat. That day I felt that my victory was total. It was also short-lived.

Instead of bringing the long-suffering Russian people freedom, peace, and prosperity, the end of Communism in Russia only brought chaos, poverty, violence, and abject exploitation by the worst class of scum the defunct Soviet system had produced. I was horrified. Unlike so many other anti-Soviet activists who were also Russophobes, I never conflated my people and the regime which oppressed them. So, while I rejoiced at the end of one horror, I was also appalled to see that another one had taken its place. Even worse, it was undeniable that the West played an active role in every and all forms of anti-Russian activities, from the total protection of Russian mobsters, on to the support of the Wahabi insurgents in Chechnya, and ending with the financing of a propaganda machine which tried to turn the Russian people into mindless consumers to the presence of western “advisors” (yeah, right!) in all the key ministries. The oligarchs were plundering Russia and causing immeasurable suffering, and the entire West, the so-called “free world” not only did nothing to help but helped all the enemies of Russia with every resource it had. Soon the NATO forces attacked Serbia, a historical ally of Russia, in total violation of the most sacred principles of international law. East Germany was not only reunified but instantly incorporated into West Germany and NATO pushed as far East as possible. I could not pretend that all this could be explained by some fear of the Soviet military or by a reaction to the Communist theory of world revolution. In truth, it became clear to me that the western elites did not hate the Soviet system or ideology, but that they hated Russian people themselves and the culture and civilization which they had created.

By the time the war against the Serbian nation in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo broke out, I was in a unique situation: all day long I could read classified UNPROFOR and military reports about what was taking place in that region and, after work, I could read the counter-factual anti-Serbian propaganda the western corporate Ziomedia was spewing out every day. I was horrified to see that literally everything the media was saying was a total lie. Then came the false flags, first in Sarajevo, but later also in Kosovo. My illusions about “Free World” and the “West” were crumbling. Fast.

Fate brought me to Russia in 1993 when I saw the carnage of meted out by the “democratic” Eltsin regime against thousands of Russians in Moscow (many more than what the official press reported). I also saw the Red Flags and Stalin portraits around the parliament building. My disgust by then was total. And when the Eltsin regime decided to bring Dudaev’s Chechnia to heel triggering yet another needless bloodbath, that disgust turned into despair. Then came the stolen elections of 1996 and the murder of General Lebed. At that point, I remember thinking “Russia is dead.”

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So, when the entourage of Eltsin suddenly appointed an unknown nobody to acting President of Russia, I was rather dubious, to put it mildly. The new guy was not a drunk or an arrogant oligarch, but he looked rather unimpressive. He was also ex-KGB which was interesting: on one hand, the KGB had been my lifelong enemy but on the other hand, I knew that the part of the KGB which dealt with foreign intelligence was staffed by the brightest of the brightest and that they had nothing to do with political repression, Gulags and all the rest of the ugly stuff another Directorate of the KGB (the 5th) was tasked with (that department had been abolished in 1989). Putin came from the First Main Directorate of the KGB, the “PGU KGB.” Still, my sympathies were more with the (far less political) military intelligence service (GRU) than the very political PGU which, I was quite sure by then, had a thick dossier on my family and me.

Then, two crucial things happened in parallel: both the “Free world” and Putin showed their true faces: the “Free world” as an AngloZionist Empire hell-bent on aggression and oppression, and Vladimir Putin as a real patriot of Russia. In fact, Putin slowly began looking like a hero to me: very gradually, in small incremental steps first, Putin began to turn Russia around, especially in two crucial matters: he was trying to “re-sovereignize” the country (making it truly sovereign and independent again), and he dared the unthinkable: he openly told the Empire that it was not only wrong, it was illegitimate (just read the transcript of Putin’s amazing 2007 “Munich Speech”).

Putin inspired me to make a dramatic choice: will I stick to my lifelong prejudices or will I let reality prove my lifelong prejudices wrong. The first option was far more comfortable to me, and all my friends would approve. The second one was far trickier, and it would cost me the friendship of many people. But what was the better option for Russia? Could it be that it was the right thing for a “White Russian” to join forces with the ex-KGB officer?

I found the answer here in a photo of Alexander Solzhenitsyn and Vladimir Putin:

Putin for book

If that old-generation anti-Communist hardliner who, unlike me, had spent time in the Gulag, could take Putin’s hand, then so could I!

In fact, the answer was obvious all along: while the “White” and the “Red” principles and ideologies were incompatible and mutually exclusive, there is also no doubt that nowadays true patriots of Russia can be found both in the former “Red” and “White” camps. To put it differently, I don’t think that “Whites” and “Reds” will ever agree on the past, but we can, and must, agree on the future. Besides, the Empire does not care whether we are “Red” or “White” – the Empire wants us all either enslaved or dead.

Putin, in the meantime, is still the only world leader with enough guts to openly tell the Empire how ugly, stupid and irresponsible it is (read his 2015 UN Speech). And when I listen to him I see that he is neither “White” nor “Red.” He is simply Russian.

So, this is how I became a Kremlin troll and a Putin fanboy.

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. I appreciate Putin’s wry sense of humor poking at the Z☭✡nist Empire.

    “I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.

    http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150

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  2. The Yeltsin era was a terrible accident of history. The anti-communist opposition in the late Soviet Union was led by the drunkard Yeltsin, and the intellectual Sakharov. If Sakharov had lived longer, I believe there would have been a far happier outcome both for Russians and for the West.

    The Western “advisors” were opportunists who ruined the opportunities not only of Russia, but also of the Baltic republics who were friendly to the West. I doubt it is any consolation that they are also trying to extract as much money as they can from Western countries, as numerous articles on this web site attest.

    It is hard to find people in the West who “hate the Russian people themselves”; but in place of hatred there is definitely fear – fear of Russia’s military strength. This fear is exaggerated by the US military-industrial complex for its own purposes; but it is also very real in countries such as Poland that have recent memories of Russian hegemony.

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    It is hard to find people in the West who “hate the Russian people themselves”; but in place of hatred there is definitely fear – fear of Russia’s military strength.
     
    Disagree. The enormous propagandistic effort to demonize Russia in the West, not only reveals fear. It also reveals hate, at least on most of the elites. Most people are indifferent toward Russia but elites definitively have fear to the bear. You can test some people by simply naming “Russia” and you will see on their eyes a quite irrationala mix of hate and fear. I think this is result of an Orwellian propaganda effort aimed at injecting fear to “Eurasia”.

    This fear is exaggerated by the US military-industrial complex for its own purposes;
     
    Agreed.
    , @robt
    Yeltsin was the right man at the right time. Just to see him standing on the tank in front of the White House ... exposed, seizing the moment, made me realize again that there really are many one-moments in history that do make a difference, Either, Or. In that moment, either the communists were back in, or they weren't. And unlike the first revolution, this one could truly be called bloodless.
    Opponents retired with pensions rather than slaughtered, the people were behind him, and while the collapse of an empire does have its messy moments, in this case the Sale of the Century, it was less than 10 years before things were rolling again.
    Putin's appointment was another such moment: the line was laid down, the oligarchs cooperated, fled or were charged and arrested, and the turmoil of the '90s quickly came to an end, though they continued (and continue) to fight Putin from afar, hoping for another looting.
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  3. “Besides, the Empire does not care whether we are “Red” or “White” – the Empire wants us all either enslaved or dead.”

    It’s the same with black and white Americans. The race war is for suckers. It’s not the color of your skin. It’s the color of your pill.

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    Wow, this is the most refreshing and clear minded comment I've seen here in a while. Nice job WorkingClass, you've managed to keep your mind clear and not buy into the BS. You've given me some hope :) Thank you.
    , @gwynedd1
    Given any two races or culture , what they are and what I think of them hardly matters. However pitted against each other it will cultivate and create good conditions for the scum of both of them and embroil the rest in the conflict. It is an against of chaos for a hostile order.
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  4. Antiwar7 says:

    Hi Saker,

    Have you written up the discrepancies you observed between UNPROFOR reports and the Western press? It would be fascinating!

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    • Replies: @bartok
    Saker said the reports' contents were classified. Are you asking him to violate his oath of secrecy to the Swiss armed forces?
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  5. The transcript for the 2007 speech is here in English, plus questions and answers

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Speech_and_the_Following_Discussion_at_the_Munich_Conference_on_Security_Policy

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    Thanks for that Steve, I had intended to search for it but got sidetracked by visits to the vet. What strikes me whenever I read a transcript of Putin's speeches is the precision of his language, it's really impressive. It really isn't fair to compare that to the loose waffle of GWB or the Trumpster but even WJC or BHO who were considered to be commendable orators just lack the fine edge and the gravitas of Putin.
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  6. @SteveLancs
    The transcript for the 2007 speech is here in English, plus questions and answers

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Speech_and_the_Following_Discussion_at_the_Munich_Conference_on_Security_Policy

    Thanks for that Steve, I had intended to search for it but got sidetracked by visits to the vet. What strikes me whenever I read a transcript of Putin’s speeches is the precision of his language, it’s really impressive. It really isn’t fair to compare that to the loose waffle of GWB or the Trumpster but even WJC or BHO who were considered to be commendable orators just lack the fine edge and the gravitas of Putin.

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  7. Sad to say, you are correct about the western press. I saw that early in my adult life during the Vietnam war. Sad to say, you went to the other extreme. Putin is simply a thug. The only people that fear Putin is the near abroad, and Ukraine has shown they have good reason to fear him.

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    • Replies: @yeah
    Well, what evidence have you for asserting that Putin is a thug? You saw through the media's false reporting earlier as you admit, so how come you again swallow the load of marbles that they dish out?

    And while Putin may or may not be feared by "near abroad" he certainly is feared by those who seek total dominance of the planet. The thing is, he is not an easy pushover and that is what is behind the thug claims. Many thinking people admire his intellect, statesmanship, and skill in dealing with major problems of our times. The media also hates him because he shows up the western leaders for the clowns that they are.

    A principled US Government would have dealt very differently with Russia and Putin. There is no inherent conflict of interest with Russia once global dominance is discarded as the main policy objective.
    , @Avery
    {The only people that fear Putin is the near abroad,....}

    Sure, if you say so, Bub.
    Texas* is, of course, 'near aboard'.

    [Russia has begun testing of its new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the RS-28 Sarmat. Sarmat can carry a payload of up to ten tons of nukes. The missile system is set to enter service in 2018.
    The RS-28 Sarmat is the first entirely new Russian ICBM in decades. The heavyweight missile weighs 100 tons and can boost 10 tons. Russia claims the Sarmat can lift 10 heavyweight warheads, or 16 lighter ones, and Russian state media has described it as being able to wipe out an area the size of Texas or France.]

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    [Russia's New ICBM Could "Wipe Out Texas"]
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/
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  8. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The people who worked in int’l finance in the 90s (representing countries to the WB and IMF) knew about the criminal callousness of these institutions when pushing ‘austerity’ or ‘reform’ policies. Local elites sometimes were complacent and profited (those privatizations! those newly opened markets!), sometimes resisted, but the US and the multilateral system –financial or otherwise– are ruthless and very hard to resist.

    Many countries suffered, not because they were Russian or Brazilian or Mexican, but because the opportunity for gain was there.

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  9. anon says: • Disclaimer

    There’s some common ground between the reds and whites in that the reds tapped into nationalist sentiments, hence the wars of national liberation around the world being supported by the communists: Korea, Vietnam, insurgencies in Latin America, Africa, etc. The script has flipped with the western countries now being the ‘godless’ ones who are trying to destroy religion, the family and traditional ways of life. The 1% were horrified that there was an ideology out there that advocated taking their loot away so they used all their resources in combatting it, even being willing to take the world to the brink of nuclear Armageddon in doing so. They’d take the world down with them rather than lose their positions of power and money. Now that the ideology is no longer there it’s just back to the business of robbing everyone weaker than them. All the hysteria about Putin is simply that he’s built up the Russian state to where they can resist and that he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them. The intervention in Syria has unhinged parts of the west where they thought they could rob and kill anywhere they pleased but now have been successfully resisted. Political systems come and go but the people have endured for the past thousand years, something the fat cats of the west are trying to destroy to enlarge their slave plantation.

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    ...he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them....
     
    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality
    "...With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ...."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1
    "...Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth.....

    "The World Wealth and Inequality project's latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas "Capital in the 21st Century" Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.



    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.


    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]"

    Etc...
    , @Cyrano
    People used to stage revolutions in order to bring communism to their countries. Plenty of examples for that: Russia, China, Cuba and many others. Of course, those people were deluded, right? Who would want to bring a system that preaches economic equality? It must be someone who is out of their mind. Has there ever been a capitalist revolution where someone took up arms trying to bring capitalism to their country? Must be because it’s such a humane and desirable system. Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion. Really? Then how come it tolerates socialism (communism), better than Christianity ever did? Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan they were all socialist at some point. That’s why the greatest democracy set their sights on them to destroy them. Because, you see, by their calculations, no matter how extremist and backward the Islam gets, it’s still more progressive than socialism or communism. Helluva math there. The game has always been about preserving capitalism, and not the most benign version either. Which is too bad, because capitalism has been known to tolerate dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, slavery – pretty much the ugliest forms of government the sick human mind can come up with, but it can’t tolerate little bit of socialism. Because you see, socialism is worse than any of those lovely political systems. Democracy (capitalism) is too pure for that, such a fragile and delicate thing that it is. I am surprised Sweden hasn’t been bombed yet, for their flirting with socialism, but the way the things are going over there, they don’t have to be bombed. They did themselves in by following someone’s stupid ideas about multiculturalism – which of course is also a form of socialism – racial one, instead the real deal – the economic socialism that the greatest democracy of them all is so afraid of.
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  10. peterAUS says:
    @anon
    There's some common ground between the reds and whites in that the reds tapped into nationalist sentiments, hence the wars of national liberation around the world being supported by the communists: Korea, Vietnam, insurgencies in Latin America, Africa, etc. The script has flipped with the western countries now being the 'godless' ones who are trying to destroy religion, the family and traditional ways of life. The 1% were horrified that there was an ideology out there that advocated taking their loot away so they used all their resources in combatting it, even being willing to take the world to the brink of nuclear Armageddon in doing so. They'd take the world down with them rather than lose their positions of power and money. Now that the ideology is no longer there it's just back to the business of robbing everyone weaker than them. All the hysteria about Putin is simply that he's built up the Russian state to where they can resist and that he's not a fellow slaveholder like them. The intervention in Syria has unhinged parts of the west where they thought they could rob and kill anywhere they pleased but now have been successfully resisted. Political systems come and go but the people have endured for the past thousand years, something the fat cats of the west are trying to destroy to enlarge their slave plantation.

    …he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them….

    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality

    “…With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ….”

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1

    “…Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth…..

    “The World Wealth and Inequality project’s latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas “Capital in the 21st Century” Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.

    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.

    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]”

    Etc…

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    • Replies: @neutral
    The Guardian and Businessinsider are both anti white outlets (The Guardian fanatically so), it is hardly a secret that they both vehemently hate Russia and both support mass non white immigration. With that being the case, their reasons for posting such stories is what exactly? Even the Guardian these days cares little about inequality since modern day leftism is now simply about anti white politics, so forgive me if I at best think this is concern trolling and more likely yet another trick in their "Russia is the great satan" narrative.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    You see how much wealth Russian people were liberated from.
    , @Anonymous
    West has aggravated it, trying to destroy Russia for more than a century.
    , @Kimppis
    Well, Russia's GINI-index is average, around the same as the US, but better than China and Brazil. And almost the whole population has obviously experienced improved living standards since 2000, the "middle class" is over 100 million people, etc...
    , @Anonymous

    Inequality in Russia
     
    The supposed leaders of the West are busy trying to replace or at the very least water down their own populations with a totally different set of people from far away. Obviously these supposedly democratic leaders loathe what are supposed to be their own people but rather see all those below them as just so many replaceable units of labor, the mark of a "slaveholder". Putin has helped his people immensely. Life expectancies had plummeted into the 50's and that's now been improved greatly as well as living standards. He's popular because he's done much for the people he identifies with, unlike Western leaders who hold their noses when anywhere near the citizenry. If the Russians like him then they must not be as worried about some issues as critics outside the country appear to be.
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  11. Cyrano says:
    @anon
    There's some common ground between the reds and whites in that the reds tapped into nationalist sentiments, hence the wars of national liberation around the world being supported by the communists: Korea, Vietnam, insurgencies in Latin America, Africa, etc. The script has flipped with the western countries now being the 'godless' ones who are trying to destroy religion, the family and traditional ways of life. The 1% were horrified that there was an ideology out there that advocated taking their loot away so they used all their resources in combatting it, even being willing to take the world to the brink of nuclear Armageddon in doing so. They'd take the world down with them rather than lose their positions of power and money. Now that the ideology is no longer there it's just back to the business of robbing everyone weaker than them. All the hysteria about Putin is simply that he's built up the Russian state to where they can resist and that he's not a fellow slaveholder like them. The intervention in Syria has unhinged parts of the west where they thought they could rob and kill anywhere they pleased but now have been successfully resisted. Political systems come and go but the people have endured for the past thousand years, something the fat cats of the west are trying to destroy to enlarge their slave plantation.

    People used to stage revolutions in order to bring communism to their countries. Plenty of examples for that: Russia, China, Cuba and many others. Of course, those people were deluded, right? Who would want to bring a system that preaches economic equality? It must be someone who is out of their mind. Has there ever been a capitalist revolution where someone took up arms trying to bring capitalism to their country? Must be because it’s such a humane and desirable system. Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion. Really? Then how come it tolerates socialism (communism), better than Christianity ever did? Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan they were all socialist at some point. That’s why the greatest democracy set their sights on them to destroy them. Because, you see, by their calculations, no matter how extremist and backward the Islam gets, it’s still more progressive than socialism or communism. Helluva math there. The game has always been about preserving capitalism, and not the most benign version either. Which is too bad, because capitalism has been known to tolerate dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, slavery – pretty much the ugliest forms of government the sick human mind can come up with, but it can’t tolerate little bit of socialism. Because you see, socialism is worse than any of those lovely political systems. Democracy (capitalism) is too pure for that, such a fragile and delicate thing that it is. I am surprised Sweden hasn’t been bombed yet, for their flirting with socialism, but the way the things are going over there, they don’t have to be bombed. They did themselves in by following someone’s stupid ideas about multiculturalism – which of course is also a form of socialism – racial one, instead the real deal – the economic socialism that the greatest democracy of them all is so afraid of.

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    The lie about Communism is that it is a system of equality. As was said in "Animal Farm, some are more equal than others. That's why there were special stores for the Apparatchiks, and mostly empty stores for the Proles. The people that truly wanted communism were the people like the Castros who were the people that were more equal than the rest.

    The people crying for it now are simply idiots. They aren't even useful anymore.
    , @Philip Owen
    English Civil War, American Revolution, French Revolution, various revolutions in 1848 across Europe. Bolivarian revolutions across Latin America.
    , @anonymous

    Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion.
     
    That they do, don't they!

    Please note that I am not addressing this message to you, but just generally to anyone who subscribes to that notion.

    Any talk of Islam being backward, forward, left, right, up or down, is simply irrelevant to us believers... even though I concede extremism is a major problem, but a problem not at all unique to our faith.

    The only idea of primary importance on a spiritual level, which for a fervent theist is everything, is, True Monotheism on the one side & Polytheism\PseudoMonotheism on the other.

    It is this very fact which pricks the eye of Islamophobes. Try as they might, they are unable to shake Islam's true monotheistic beliefs.

    If remaining True Monotheist means remaining "backward," we take pride in our backwardness.

    Peace to you.

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  12. neutral says:
    @peterAUS

    ...he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them....
     
    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality
    "...With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ...."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1
    "...Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth.....

    "The World Wealth and Inequality project's latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas "Capital in the 21st Century" Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.



    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.


    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]"

    Etc...

    The Guardian and Businessinsider are both anti white outlets (The Guardian fanatically so), it is hardly a secret that they both vehemently hate Russia and both support mass non white immigration. With that being the case, their reasons for posting such stories is what exactly? Even the Guardian these days cares little about inequality since modern day leftism is now simply about anti white politics, so forgive me if I at best think this is concern trolling and more likely yet another trick in their “Russia is the great satan” narrative.

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  13. Well, for Saker information we were not persecuted and vast majority lived happy lives which of course changed drastically. I also wonder did Saker parents told him about atrocities commited by White side? Of course not. Reading this peace useful idiot and aiming at communism and shooting at Rusia comes to my mind. Being Russian Sacker actually behaved as an enemy of Russian people who made their choice and wanted to do nothing with pre 1917 Russia. It takes a lot of prejudice. I generally find Sacker to be a good sincere man but with a lot of contradictions.

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    Russian Revolution driven from the outside, color revolution. Research Khazaria and the Khazars and the Black Pope and Jesuit army. The people deceived all around, how?
    , @L.K
    Sergey Krieger == Stalinist Pig.
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  14. @peterAUS

    ...he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them....
     
    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality
    "...With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ...."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1
    "...Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth.....

    "The World Wealth and Inequality project's latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas "Capital in the 21st Century" Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.



    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.


    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]"

    Etc...

    You see how much wealth Russian people were liberated from.

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  15. Kiza says:

    When the Serbians in different parts of Yugoslavia started being attacked by the West, I was constantly pointing out that in recent times, since WW1, an attack on Serbia has been a kind of introduction to an attack on Russia. In other words, I had no doubt that Russia was next.

    But, there is one huge difference between Serbia and Russia. Whilst the Serbians killed very few of those Western Zionist military mercenaries who were killing Serbians directly or using their Croat, Muslim and Albanian proxies, if attacked the Russian military could kill hundreds of thousands of the Western mercenaries. This is why whilst the war on Serbia was real and bloody only on Serbians and the Bosnian Muslim proxies, the war on Russia would be totally disastrous for the Anglozionist Empire. This is the only reason a shooting war on Russia has not started already.

    For my money, Saker emphasises the supposed friendliness of the Western people towards Russia too much. It is not the Western people who want to attack Russia then the Western Anglozionist elite, but the Western people really do not care, as long as it is not the blood of their progeny and their own money paying for bringing Russia to heel. And if Russia is destroyed, just like Ukraine, then there could be some lucrative jobs when the Western Zio-elite starts dismembering the Russian corpse. And well paying jobs are in great demand in the bankrupt West. The unwritten contract that the Western people have with their Anglozionist elite says: find a way to destroy Russia without a global nuclear war, cheaply, without serious dying on our side and throw us a few bones and we will gladly hybernate our moral conscience.

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  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @peterAUS

    ...he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them....
     
    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality
    "...With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ...."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1
    "...Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth.....

    "The World Wealth and Inequality project's latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas "Capital in the 21st Century" Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.



    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.


    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]"

    Etc...

    West has aggravated it, trying to destroy Russia for more than a century.

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    Why should the west try to destroy Russia? They're doing a great job of it all by themselves.
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  17. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sergey Krieger
    Well, for Saker information we were not persecuted and vast majority lived happy lives which of course changed drastically. I also wonder did Saker parents told him about atrocities commited by White side? Of course not. Reading this peace useful idiot and aiming at communism and shooting at Rusia comes to my mind. Being Russian Sacker actually behaved as an enemy of Russian people who made their choice and wanted to do nothing with pre 1917 Russia. It takes a lot of prejudice. I generally find Sacker to be a good sincere man but with a lot of contradictions.

    Russian Revolution driven from the outside, color revolution. Research Khazaria and the Khazars and the Black Pope and Jesuit army. The people deceived all around, how?

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  18. Swan Knight says: • Website

    Vladimir Putin is the World’s greatest leader since Robert E Lee

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    Put that on a t-shirt and watch the conniptions that result ;)
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  19. Kimppis says:
    @peterAUS

    ...he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them....
     
    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality
    "...With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ...."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1
    "...Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth.....

    "The World Wealth and Inequality project's latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas "Capital in the 21st Century" Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.



    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.


    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]"

    Etc...

    Well, Russia’s GINI-index is average, around the same as the US, but better than China and Brazil. And almost the whole population has obviously experienced improved living standards since 2000, the “middle class” is over 100 million people, etc…

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    Very true.

    "And almost the whole population has obviously experienced improved living standards since 2000"

    Before that, one saw the days of plundering gangster Capitalism, all aided by the fiend to rape Russia & bring the country as a component into the Empire... to provide energy and other commodities for the Center.

    Plan reversed, loss for the Zio-US Empire...
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  20. Sherman says:

    “Since my father had left me”.

    I don’t blame him. If I had a son like you I would leave him too.

    No wonder you’re insane. You had an unstable upbringing.

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    Why don't you tell us little bit about your upbringing? Was your father extremely close to you? Molestingly close to you, perhaps? Is that why you turned out so well?
    , @Disenter
    There is no need for this Sherman, shame on you!
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  21. Putin is a Christian who was baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church and rebuilt the Christ the Savior church in Moscow that the communists had blown up.

    Putin is defending not only Syria but the Christians in Syria from ISIS aka AL CIADA which the U.S. and ISRAEL and BRITAIN created and set upon the Mideast to destroy in the name of satan ie Zionists.

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  22. Rurik says:

    western elites did not hate the Soviet system or ideology, but that they hated Russian people themselves and the culture and civilization which they had created.

    bingo!

    only let me fix that for you.. ((western elites)) ;)

    the “Free world” as an AngloZionist Empire hell-bent on aggression and oppression,

    I’m not Russian or German, but it is my sincere hope that one day these brothers will finally understand that they have the same enemy that we in the ZUSA have. The same enemy that is currently destroying nation after nation and millions of lives, not just in the Middle East, but in Ukraine and elsewhere.

    There is a kneejerk temptation (that is pushed by the ((PTB)) to blame the ethnic Germans for Nazism or the ethnic Russians for Bolshevism or the American sheople for the Zio-horrors that are currently enveloping the planet in darkness. But the real authors of WWII were the Zionist Jewish banksters who foisted all the horrors and brought Europe and Russia to their knees, and are doing the same thing right now in the Middle East, only instead of using Russia as it’s golem, they’re using the ZUSA.

    it’s time to realize that the British people, and the Russian people, and the American people, and the Ukrainians and Estonians and Poles and all the rest…

    just want to live in peace, but Satan will not allow that. We all have to stop pointing the finger at each other and finally deal with the Beast. ((the Fiend))

    we are all Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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  23. gdpbull says:

    A large portion of the hate Russia crowd were previously fellow travelers who had a soft spot for the Soviet Union.

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    A large portion of the hate Russia crowd were previously fellow travelers who had a soft spot for the Soviet Union.
     
    Good observation. No more trustworthy now than they were as Soviet groupies.

    The unifying trait is that they are worshipful groupies.

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  24. This is just the classic pro-Putin propaganda line dressed up as anti-Putin propaganda! Because A violates B’s rights, C is entitled to “punish” A by also violating B’s rights! Stunning logic!

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  25. Che Guava says:

    Hello the Saker.

    The interesting account. I have occasionally suggested user names here (Agent of Kremlin, Putinbot), would be using them myself at times if the policy were not so strict on changing user names.

    Just to annoying some of the more stupid posters here.

    The photo of Putin and Solzhenitsyn, I had not seen before. It is the perect balance to the older one of Solzhenitsyn as an angry and despairing (with good reason for both) zek.

    … although, as he was saying himself, he was finding a relative tropical island within the.GULAG, Not that is not still imprisonment for very bad reasons.

    Sad for the many not to having such minor fortune, very bad to be trapped in prison camp for a nothing,, and then be set upon by violent criminals.

    Until reading of it, I was thinking it was a British (plus former colonies) and American invention to punishing prisoners by having under threat of violent rape or assault by other prisoners.

    In Japan, the prisons are corrupt to the extent that they are giving convicted politicians or Yakuza bosses and assassins luxury conditions, from a couple of people I know who were serving short times, I am hearing that the food is very dull (deathly dull) unless in the above categories, but unlike in AngloZionist places and former GULAG, the guards are very good to stopping violence and rape among inmates.

    Am knowing that you are hating Stalin, I may well be wrong, not born at the time, but at least part of the picture was to taming and defeating the lewish Bolsheviki, have, since reading of him, always thought of Mercador as a hero, Bronstein was such an excrement, the world is that little better place for his death, though sooner would have been better.

    As for Amazon, am not wanting to send them any order, am hating that company, and the way it is working.

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    Until reading of it, I was thinking it was a British (plus former colonies) and American invention to punishing prisoners by having under threat of violent rape or assault by other prisoners.

    I do not know whose invention it was. But in continental Europe (including Russia) in 19 century political prisoners were separated from common criminals. Political prisoners in Russia and Austro-Hungary were treated very well.
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  26. @Cyrano
    People used to stage revolutions in order to bring communism to their countries. Plenty of examples for that: Russia, China, Cuba and many others. Of course, those people were deluded, right? Who would want to bring a system that preaches economic equality? It must be someone who is out of their mind. Has there ever been a capitalist revolution where someone took up arms trying to bring capitalism to their country? Must be because it’s such a humane and desirable system. Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion. Really? Then how come it tolerates socialism (communism), better than Christianity ever did? Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan they were all socialist at some point. That’s why the greatest democracy set their sights on them to destroy them. Because, you see, by their calculations, no matter how extremist and backward the Islam gets, it’s still more progressive than socialism or communism. Helluva math there. The game has always been about preserving capitalism, and not the most benign version either. Which is too bad, because capitalism has been known to tolerate dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, slavery – pretty much the ugliest forms of government the sick human mind can come up with, but it can’t tolerate little bit of socialism. Because you see, socialism is worse than any of those lovely political systems. Democracy (capitalism) is too pure for that, such a fragile and delicate thing that it is. I am surprised Sweden hasn’t been bombed yet, for their flirting with socialism, but the way the things are going over there, they don’t have to be bombed. They did themselves in by following someone’s stupid ideas about multiculturalism – which of course is also a form of socialism – racial one, instead the real deal – the economic socialism that the greatest democracy of them all is so afraid of.

    The lie about Communism is that it is a system of equality. As was said in “Animal Farm, some are more equal than others. That’s why there were special stores for the Apparatchiks, and mostly empty stores for the Proles. The people that truly wanted communism were the people like the Castros who were the people that were more equal than the rest.

    The people crying for it now are simply idiots. They aren’t even useful anymore.

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    Right. And the land of the free houses highest prison population in the world. Plus another few million free people living on the street. Wonderful freedom. Go f**k yourself, you moron.
    , @voicum
    stop talking about things you know nothing . you are making a fool ff yourself.
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  27. @Anonymous
    West has aggravated it, trying to destroy Russia for more than a century.

    Why should the west try to destroy Russia? They’re doing a great job of it all by themselves.

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    "Why should the west try to destroy Russia? They’re doing a great job of it all by themselves"


    How many times have you visited Russia?
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  28. yeah says:
    @Quartermaster
    Sad to say, you are correct about the western press. I saw that early in my adult life during the Vietnam war. Sad to say, you went to the other extreme. Putin is simply a thug. The only people that fear Putin is the near abroad, and Ukraine has shown they have good reason to fear him.

    Well, what evidence have you for asserting that Putin is a thug? You saw through the media’s false reporting earlier as you admit, so how come you again swallow the load of marbles that they dish out?

    And while Putin may or may not be feared by “near abroad” he certainly is feared by those who seek total dominance of the planet. The thing is, he is not an easy pushover and that is what is behind the thug claims. Many thinking people admire his intellect, statesmanship, and skill in dealing with major problems of our times. The media also hates him because he shows up the western leaders for the clowns that they are.

    A principled US Government would have dealt very differently with Russia and Putin. There is no inherent conflict of interest with Russia once global dominance is discarded as the main policy objective.

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    A principled US Government...
     
    Now you take the prize for the biggest oxymoron of this comments section. For a millisecond I thought about some US Government before WW1, but then remembered the USS Maine explosion of 1898. Jews or no Jews, US has always been about trickery and lying.
    , @The Scalpel
    "There is no inherent conflict of interest with Russia once global dominance is discarded as the main policy objective."

    Bingo
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  29. Avery says:
    @Quartermaster
    Sad to say, you are correct about the western press. I saw that early in my adult life during the Vietnam war. Sad to say, you went to the other extreme. Putin is simply a thug. The only people that fear Putin is the near abroad, and Ukraine has shown they have good reason to fear him.

    {The only people that fear Putin is the near abroad,….}

    Sure, if you say so, Bub.
    Texas* is, of course, ‘near aboard’.

    [Russia has begun testing of its new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the RS-28 Sarmat. Sarmat can carry a payload of up to ten tons of nukes. The missile system is set to enter service in 2018.
    The RS-28 Sarmat is the first entirely new Russian ICBM in decades. The heavyweight missile weighs 100 tons and can boost 10 tons. Russia claims the Sarmat can lift 10 heavyweight warheads, or 16 lighter ones, and Russian state media has described it as being able to wipe out an area the size of Texas or France.]

    _______________________
    *
    [Russia's New ICBM Could "Wipe Out Texas"]

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/

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    Soooooo, the US government doesn't have nuke weapons that can reach and destroy huge swathes of Russia? Should Russia unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons while we keep ours?

    I would have preferred if they had described the new weapon as one that could wipe out an area "the size of NY City, Washington DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco combined", but their description got the point across well enough.
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  30. @WorkingClass
    "Besides, the Empire does not care whether we are “Red” or “White” – the Empire wants us all either enslaved or dead."

    It's the same with black and white Americans. The race war is for suckers. It's not the color of your skin. It's the color of your pill.

    Wow, this is the most refreshing and clear minded comment I’ve seen here in a while. Nice job WorkingClass, you’ve managed to keep your mind clear and not buy into the BS. You’ve given me some hope :) Thank you.

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    Thanks for the kind words.
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  31. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @peterAUS

    ...he’s not a fellow slaveholder like them....
     
    Quick Google:
    Inequality in Russia

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/apr/25/unequal-russia-is-anger-stirring-in-the-global-capital-of-inequality
    "...With the richest 10% owning 87% of all the country’s wealth, Russia is rated the most unequal of the world’s major economies. ...."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2017-7?r=US&IR=T#/#li-mi-yan-photographed-this-series-in-moscow-1
    "...Russia has greater economic disparity than any other major global power. In 2016, Credit Suisse’s Global Wealth Report found that the wealthiest 10% of people in Russia controlled 89% of the country’s wealth.....

    "The World Wealth and Inequality project's latest white-paper, co-authored by Thomas "Capital in the 21st Century" Piketty, painstaking pieces together fragmentary data-sources to build up a detailed picture of wealth inequality in Russia in the pre-revolutionary period; during phases of the Soviet era; on the eve of the collapse of the USSR; and ever since.



    The headline findings: official Russian estimates drastically understate national inequality; Russia is as unequal as the USA or even moreso; Russian inequality is more intense than the inequality in other post-Soviet states and in post-Deng China.

    This paper combines national accounts, survey, wealth and fiscal data
    (including recently released tax data on high-income taxpayers) in order to provide
    consistent series on the accumulation and distribution of income and wealth in
    Russia from the Soviet period until the present day. We find that official survey-based
    measures vastly under-estimate the rise of inequality since 1990. According to our
    benchmark estimates, top income shares are now similar to (or higher than) the
    levels observed in the United States. We also find that inequality has increased
    substantially more in Russia than in China and other ex-communist countries in
    Eastern Europe. We relate this finding to the specific transition strategy followed in
    Russia. According to our benchmark estimates, the wealth held offshore by rich
    Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is
    comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia.


    From Soviets to Oligarchs:
    Inequality and Property in Russia 1905-2016 [Filip Novokmet, Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman/World Wealth and Income Database]"

    Etc...

    Inequality in Russia

    The supposed leaders of the West are busy trying to replace or at the very least water down their own populations with a totally different set of people from far away. Obviously these supposedly democratic leaders loathe what are supposed to be their own people but rather see all those below them as just so many replaceable units of labor, the mark of a “slaveholder”. Putin has helped his people immensely. Life expectancies had plummeted into the 50′s and that’s now been improved greatly as well as living standards. He’s popular because he’s done much for the people he identifies with, unlike Western leaders who hold their noses when anywhere near the citizenry. If the Russians like him then they must not be as worried about some issues as critics outside the country appear to be.

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  32. L.K says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Well, for Saker information we were not persecuted and vast majority lived happy lives which of course changed drastically. I also wonder did Saker parents told him about atrocities commited by White side? Of course not. Reading this peace useful idiot and aiming at communism and shooting at Rusia comes to my mind. Being Russian Sacker actually behaved as an enemy of Russian people who made their choice and wanted to do nothing with pre 1917 Russia. It takes a lot of prejudice. I generally find Sacker to be a good sincere man but with a lot of contradictions.

    Sergey Krieger == Stalinist Pig.

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  33. Cyrano says:
    @Quartermaster
    The lie about Communism is that it is a system of equality. As was said in "Animal Farm, some are more equal than others. That's why there were special stores for the Apparatchiks, and mostly empty stores for the Proles. The people that truly wanted communism were the people like the Castros who were the people that were more equal than the rest.

    The people crying for it now are simply idiots. They aren't even useful anymore.

    Right. And the land of the free houses highest prison population in the world. Plus another few million free people living on the street. Wonderful freedom. Go f**k yourself, you moron.

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    Do you advocate legalization of all adult drug use and sale, including cocaine, meth, and heroin? There's a good set of arguments for that, just wondering. Because that is the most obvious way to effect a drastic drop in the US prison population in fairly short order without lessening the punishments for violent crimes and property crimes.

    If you don't advocate that, how do you propose to drastically lower the US prison population without endangering peaceful Americans more than we already are?

    Shorter prison terms for murder, voluntary manslaughter, armed robbery, burglary, or rape?

    Repeal the prohibition on felons possessing firearms? (Because a goodly number of our inmates can attribute part of their sentences to a conviction for "felon in possession.")

    Final question: do you really think that these supposedly superior countries which have a lower incarceration percentage, would be able to continue in that state if they had tens of millions of Africans as we do? Or are most of the vast number of Africans in our prison system just poor innocent little guys oppressed by the system?

    Quartermaster may be a reflexively Russian-hating warmonger, but this lefty trope about the US being unjust because of our disproportionately larger prison population, is, on balance, not sound.

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  34. @Cyrano
    People used to stage revolutions in order to bring communism to their countries. Plenty of examples for that: Russia, China, Cuba and many others. Of course, those people were deluded, right? Who would want to bring a system that preaches economic equality? It must be someone who is out of their mind. Has there ever been a capitalist revolution where someone took up arms trying to bring capitalism to their country? Must be because it’s such a humane and desirable system. Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion. Really? Then how come it tolerates socialism (communism), better than Christianity ever did? Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan they were all socialist at some point. That’s why the greatest democracy set their sights on them to destroy them. Because, you see, by their calculations, no matter how extremist and backward the Islam gets, it’s still more progressive than socialism or communism. Helluva math there. The game has always been about preserving capitalism, and not the most benign version either. Which is too bad, because capitalism has been known to tolerate dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, slavery – pretty much the ugliest forms of government the sick human mind can come up with, but it can’t tolerate little bit of socialism. Because you see, socialism is worse than any of those lovely political systems. Democracy (capitalism) is too pure for that, such a fragile and delicate thing that it is. I am surprised Sweden hasn’t been bombed yet, for their flirting with socialism, but the way the things are going over there, they don’t have to be bombed. They did themselves in by following someone’s stupid ideas about multiculturalism – which of course is also a form of socialism – racial one, instead the real deal – the economic socialism that the greatest democracy of them all is so afraid of.

    English Civil War, American Revolution, French Revolution, various revolutions in 1848 across Europe. Bolivarian revolutions across Latin America.

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    Right. Those were capitalist revolutions. You are bang on. Capitalism is one of the most tolerant systems of all kinds of extremism, as I already mentioned. Capitalism has been known to tolerate monarchy, fascism, Nazism, various forms of dictatorships, slavery, pretty much everything. But they draw the line at tolerating socialism, like it’s the worst extremism they have ever tolerated. My point is, capitalism is pretty robust system, it’s not some delicate beauty that will fall apart if it comes in touch with socialism. Democracy is only a window dressing, it has never been about democracy, it has always been about capitalism.
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  35. L.K says:
    @Kimppis
    Well, Russia's GINI-index is average, around the same as the US, but better than China and Brazil. And almost the whole population has obviously experienced improved living standards since 2000, the "middle class" is over 100 million people, etc...

    Very true.

    “And almost the whole population has obviously experienced improved living standards since 2000″

    Before that, one saw the days of plundering gangster Capitalism, all aided by the fiend to rape Russia & bring the country as a component into the Empire… to provide energy and other commodities for the Center.

    Plan reversed, loss for the Zio-US Empire…

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    Hardly reversed. Russia is pumping oil frantically to compensate for loss of price.nt. Recent volume reductions are very modest.
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  36. L.K says:

    Very interesting interview with Professor McCoy:

    On Contact: Decline of the American empire with Alfred McCoy

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  37. @disturbed_robot
    Wow, this is the most refreshing and clear minded comment I've seen here in a while. Nice job WorkingClass, you've managed to keep your mind clear and not buy into the BS. You've given me some hope :) Thank you.

    Thanks for the kind words.

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  38. Aedib says:
    @James N. Kennett
    The Yeltsin era was a terrible accident of history. The anti-communist opposition in the late Soviet Union was led by the drunkard Yeltsin, and the intellectual Sakharov. If Sakharov had lived longer, I believe there would have been a far happier outcome both for Russians and for the West.

    The Western "advisors" were opportunists who ruined the opportunities not only of Russia, but also of the Baltic republics who were friendly to the West. I doubt it is any consolation that they are also trying to extract as much money as they can from Western countries, as numerous articles on this web site attest.

    It is hard to find people in the West who "hate the Russian people themselves"; but in place of hatred there is definitely fear - fear of Russia's military strength. This fear is exaggerated by the US military-industrial complex for its own purposes; but it is also very real in countries such as Poland that have recent memories of Russian hegemony.

    It is hard to find people in the West who “hate the Russian people themselves”; but in place of hatred there is definitely fear – fear of Russia’s military strength.

    Disagree. The enormous propagandistic effort to demonize Russia in the West, not only reveals fear. It also reveals hate, at least on most of the elites. Most people are indifferent toward Russia but elites definitively have fear to the bear. You can test some people by simply naming “Russia” and you will see on their eyes a quite irrationala mix of hate and fear. I think this is result of an Orwellian propaganda effort aimed at injecting fear to “Eurasia”.

    This fear is exaggerated by the US military-industrial complex for its own purposes;

    Agreed.

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  39. gwynedd1 says:
    @WorkingClass
    "Besides, the Empire does not care whether we are “Red” or “White” – the Empire wants us all either enslaved or dead."

    It's the same with black and white Americans. The race war is for suckers. It's not the color of your skin. It's the color of your pill.

    Given any two races or culture , what they are and what I think of them hardly matters. However pitted against each other it will cultivate and create good conditions for the scum of both of them and embroil the rest in the conflict. It is an against of chaos for a hostile order.

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  40. gwynedd1 says:
    @Quartermaster
    Why should the west try to destroy Russia? They're doing a great job of it all by themselves.

    “Why should the west try to destroy Russia? They’re doing a great job of it all by themselves”

    How many times have you visited Russia?

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  41. Cyrano says:
    @Philip Owen
    English Civil War, American Revolution, French Revolution, various revolutions in 1848 across Europe. Bolivarian revolutions across Latin America.

    Right. Those were capitalist revolutions. You are bang on. Capitalism is one of the most tolerant systems of all kinds of extremism, as I already mentioned. Capitalism has been known to tolerate monarchy, fascism, Nazism, various forms of dictatorships, slavery, pretty much everything. But they draw the line at tolerating socialism, like it’s the worst extremism they have ever tolerated. My point is, capitalism is pretty robust system, it’s not some delicate beauty that will fall apart if it comes in touch with socialism. Democracy is only a window dressing, it has never been about democracy, it has always been about capitalism.

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    I would like to suggest that we stay out of the discussions Communism v. Capitalism here because the US attack on Russia, as Saker says, has nothing to do with Communism and never had. It has always been the ethnic hatred, which probably originated in Europe and was transferred to US by the large British, German, Polish and Galician immigration.
    , @Philip Owen
    Economic liberty is a precondition for democracy, not that I am a great fan of allowing the uneducated or non taxpayers to vote. Liberty is enough.
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  42. There’s nothing easier nowadays than becoming a Kremlin (or any other kind of) Troll. Just start talking about things as they are and you’re half way through. Keep talking that way a bit longer, and you’ll forever become another precious source of income for the army of no-talent crooks with unlimited rights and zero oversee from those for whom they officially work. These guys are simply used to build their entire careers and financial well-beings by adjusting reality to their needs. They’ve been doing it for decades. Why not, as long as the true bosses are happy ? Why not, when the MSM will make population to swallow anything, no matter how idiotic and illogical it is ?

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  43. voicum says:
    @Quartermaster
    The lie about Communism is that it is a system of equality. As was said in "Animal Farm, some are more equal than others. That's why there were special stores for the Apparatchiks, and mostly empty stores for the Proles. The people that truly wanted communism were the people like the Castros who were the people that were more equal than the rest.

    The people crying for it now are simply idiots. They aren't even useful anymore.

    stop talking about things you know nothing . you are making a fool ff yourself.

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  44. Cyrano says:
    @Sherman
    "Since my father had left me".

    I don't blame him. If I had a son like you I would leave him too.

    No wonder you're insane. You had an unstable upbringing.

    Why don’t you tell us little bit about your upbringing? Was your father extremely close to you? Molestingly close to you, perhaps? Is that why you turned out so well?

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  45. Saker

    I am planning stop off in Jordanville to visit the keepers of the Russian Orthodox Christian Faith in America….my neck of the woods…..

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    Saker

    Jordanville is in Herkimer County NY....This is the Mohawk Valley Region...A region of America that has produced copious amounts of cannon fodder for Iraq War 1...Iraq War 2.....and the ongoing occupation of the Middle East.....
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  46. @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    I am planning stop off in Jordanville to visit the keepers of the Russian Orthodox Christian Faith in America....my neck of the woods.....

    Saker

    Jordanville is in Herkimer County NY….This is the Mohawk Valley Region…A region of America that has produced copious amounts of cannon fodder for Iraq War 1…Iraq War 2…..and the ongoing occupation of the Middle East…..

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  47. robt says:
    @James N. Kennett
    The Yeltsin era was a terrible accident of history. The anti-communist opposition in the late Soviet Union was led by the drunkard Yeltsin, and the intellectual Sakharov. If Sakharov had lived longer, I believe there would have been a far happier outcome both for Russians and for the West.

    The Western "advisors" were opportunists who ruined the opportunities not only of Russia, but also of the Baltic republics who were friendly to the West. I doubt it is any consolation that they are also trying to extract as much money as they can from Western countries, as numerous articles on this web site attest.

    It is hard to find people in the West who "hate the Russian people themselves"; but in place of hatred there is definitely fear - fear of Russia's military strength. This fear is exaggerated by the US military-industrial complex for its own purposes; but it is also very real in countries such as Poland that have recent memories of Russian hegemony.

    Yeltsin was the right man at the right time. Just to see him standing on the tank in front of the White House … exposed, seizing the moment, made me realize again that there really are many one-moments in history that do make a difference, Either, Or. In that moment, either the communists were back in, or they weren’t. And unlike the first revolution, this one could truly be called bloodless.
    Opponents retired with pensions rather than slaughtered, the people were behind him, and while the collapse of an empire does have its messy moments, in this case the Sale of the Century, it was less than 10 years before things were rolling again.
    Putin’s appointment was another such moment: the line was laid down, the oligarchs cooperated, fled or were charged and arrested, and the turmoil of the ’90s quickly came to an end, though they continued (and continue) to fight Putin from afar, hoping for another looting.

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  48. @Swan Knight
    Vladimir Putin is the World's greatest leader since Robert E Lee

    Put that on a t-shirt and watch the conniptions that result ;)

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  49. @Avery
    {The only people that fear Putin is the near abroad,....}

    Sure, if you say so, Bub.
    Texas* is, of course, 'near aboard'.

    [Russia has begun testing of its new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the RS-28 Sarmat. Sarmat can carry a payload of up to ten tons of nukes. The missile system is set to enter service in 2018.
    The RS-28 Sarmat is the first entirely new Russian ICBM in decades. The heavyweight missile weighs 100 tons and can boost 10 tons. Russia claims the Sarmat can lift 10 heavyweight warheads, or 16 lighter ones, and Russian state media has described it as being able to wipe out an area the size of Texas or France.]

    _______________________
    *
    [Russia's New ICBM Could "Wipe Out Texas"]
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/

    Soooooo, the US government doesn’t have nuke weapons that can reach and destroy huge swathes of Russia? Should Russia unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons while we keep ours?

    I would have preferred if they had described the new weapon as one that could wipe out an area “the size of NY City, Washington DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco combined”, but their description got the point across well enough.

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    {Soooooo, the US government doesn’t have nuke weapons that can reach and destroy huge swathes of Russia? }

    Sure it does.
    US and RF are pretty equally matched as far as wiping each other out.
    And that is the point.

    What I was trying to convey in my original post is that if RF did not have that ability, US could blackmail her with nukes, and RF would have no choice but to back down.
    As it is, Russia completely upended their grand plans for the Middle East, after the debacle in Syria.

    Reason Russia could come into Syria and pulverize the ISIS from the air (while SAA and Hezb worked on the ground) without interference from US is precisely because the reptiles who have infested D.C. know that Russian nukes will reach all the way into the caves they are hiding in and pulverize them.

    That is why they acted very circumspect in Syria: no other reason.

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  50. @Cyrano
    Right. And the land of the free houses highest prison population in the world. Plus another few million free people living on the street. Wonderful freedom. Go f**k yourself, you moron.

    Do you advocate legalization of all adult drug use and sale, including cocaine, meth, and heroin? There’s a good set of arguments for that, just wondering. Because that is the most obvious way to effect a drastic drop in the US prison population in fairly short order without lessening the punishments for violent crimes and property crimes.

    If you don’t advocate that, how do you propose to drastically lower the US prison population without endangering peaceful Americans more than we already are?

    Shorter prison terms for murder, voluntary manslaughter, armed robbery, burglary, or rape?

    Repeal the prohibition on felons possessing firearms? (Because a goodly number of our inmates can attribute part of their sentences to a conviction for “felon in possession.”)

    Final question: do you really think that these supposedly superior countries which have a lower incarceration percentage, would be able to continue in that state if they had tens of millions of Africans as we do? Or are most of the vast number of Africans in our prison system just poor innocent little guys oppressed by the system?

    Quartermaster may be a reflexively Russian-hating warmonger, but this lefty trope about the US being unjust because of our disproportionately larger prison population, is, on balance, not sound.

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    I don’t think you understood my argument. I was merely trying to point out the discrepancies between the advertised and the reality. As that moron QMaster was trying to say that socialism was supposed to be about equality, and yet the elites enjoyed luxury which was out of reach for the proles.

    Same thing with US – it’s billing itself as land of the free, and yet it has the highest incarceration rate in the world, plus an army of homeless – who are free, but not exactly a desirable form of freedom, more like free-range prisoners of lack of economic opportunities. I wasn’t even trying to analyze whether those in prison deserve to be there or not. I am just trying to point out the false advertising.
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  51. bartok says:
    @Antiwar7
    Hi Saker,

    Have you written up the discrepancies you observed between UNPROFOR reports and the Western press? It would be fascinating!

    Saker said the reports’ contents were classified. Are you asking him to violate his oath of secrecy to the Swiss armed forces?

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  52. Disenter says:
    @Sherman
    "Since my father had left me".

    I don't blame him. If I had a son like you I would leave him too.

    No wonder you're insane. You had an unstable upbringing.

    There is no need for this Sherman, shame on you!

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    I did think when reading the article that some really stupid fool would get caught in that silly little trap of Saker's and voilà. How low can Hasbara go?
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  53. Kiza says:
    @yeah
    Well, what evidence have you for asserting that Putin is a thug? You saw through the media's false reporting earlier as you admit, so how come you again swallow the load of marbles that they dish out?

    And while Putin may or may not be feared by "near abroad" he certainly is feared by those who seek total dominance of the planet. The thing is, he is not an easy pushover and that is what is behind the thug claims. Many thinking people admire his intellect, statesmanship, and skill in dealing with major problems of our times. The media also hates him because he shows up the western leaders for the clowns that they are.

    A principled US Government would have dealt very differently with Russia and Putin. There is no inherent conflict of interest with Russia once global dominance is discarded as the main policy objective.

    A principled US Government…

    Now you take the prize for the biggest oxymoron of this comments section. For a millisecond I thought about some US Government before WW1, but then remembered the USS Maine explosion of 1898. Jews or no Jews, US has always been about trickery and lying.

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  54. Kiza says:
    @Cyrano
    Right. Those were capitalist revolutions. You are bang on. Capitalism is one of the most tolerant systems of all kinds of extremism, as I already mentioned. Capitalism has been known to tolerate monarchy, fascism, Nazism, various forms of dictatorships, slavery, pretty much everything. But they draw the line at tolerating socialism, like it’s the worst extremism they have ever tolerated. My point is, capitalism is pretty robust system, it’s not some delicate beauty that will fall apart if it comes in touch with socialism. Democracy is only a window dressing, it has never been about democracy, it has always been about capitalism.

    I would like to suggest that we stay out of the discussions Communism v. Capitalism here because the US attack on Russia, as Saker says, has nothing to do with Communism and never had. It has always been the ethnic hatred, which probably originated in Europe and was transferred to US by the large British, German, Polish and Galician immigration.

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    I think you misunderstood me Kiza. I wasn’t advocating switch to communism. I know that communism doesn’t work. One day it might, but not yet. Have you ever heard of hybrid warfare? It goes like this: Capitalism is war of the rich against the poor. Socialism is war of the poor against the rich. Hybrid warfare would be a society with elements of both, which would benefit both the rich and the poor. I was just trying to point out that capitalism can handle elements of socialism – since it had been able to handle fascism, Nazism, monarchy and all other extreme forms of government.
    , @norse nestor
    "we"
    , @Philip Owen
    Russia has a problem of post imperial antagonism that makes the UK/Irish situation look very moderate. Every ethnic group on Russia's border from Finland to Dagestan has profound reasons to hate Russia. Add the Poles, Jews Ukrainians and North Caucasians like Circassians too. So the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere are full of people with historic hatred to Imperial Russia and it's successors. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Russia has yet to learn this.
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  55. Avery says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Soooooo, the US government doesn't have nuke weapons that can reach and destroy huge swathes of Russia? Should Russia unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons while we keep ours?

    I would have preferred if they had described the new weapon as one that could wipe out an area "the size of NY City, Washington DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco combined", but their description got the point across well enough.

    {Soooooo, the US government doesn’t have nuke weapons that can reach and destroy huge swathes of Russia? }

    Sure it does.
    US and RF are pretty equally matched as far as wiping each other out.
    And that is the point.

    What I was trying to convey in my original post is that if RF did not have that ability, US could blackmail her with nukes, and RF would have no choice but to back down.
    As it is, Russia completely upended their grand plans for the Middle East, after the debacle in Syria.

    Reason Russia could come into Syria and pulverize the ISIS from the air (while SAA and Hezb worked on the ground) without interference from US is precisely because the reptiles who have infested D.C. know that Russian nukes will reach all the way into the caves they are hiding in and pulverize them.

    That is why they acted very circumspect in Syria: no other reason.

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  56. Cyrano says:
    @Kiza
    I would like to suggest that we stay out of the discussions Communism v. Capitalism here because the US attack on Russia, as Saker says, has nothing to do with Communism and never had. It has always been the ethnic hatred, which probably originated in Europe and was transferred to US by the large British, German, Polish and Galician immigration.

    I think you misunderstood me Kiza. I wasn’t advocating switch to communism. I know that communism doesn’t work. One day it might, but not yet. Have you ever heard of hybrid warfare? It goes like this: Capitalism is war of the rich against the poor. Socialism is war of the poor against the rich. Hybrid warfare would be a society with elements of both, which would benefit both the rich and the poor. I was just trying to point out that capitalism can handle elements of socialism – since it had been able to handle fascism, Nazism, monarchy and all other extreme forms of government.

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    Human social organization and economics ultimately are subject to the laws of nature.
    If civilization is the attempt to defeat the laws of nature, and politics is the expression of civilization in organizing these activities, then socialism would be the highest expression of politics. But defeating the laws of nature must always ultimately fail, and thus socialism must always fail. To hope for 'equality', usually meaning economic equality, is to hope for an impossibility, and socialism ( the transitional period in the achievement of communism) is not viable, simply because the output of resources necessary to sustain it requires equal input from all individuals. Because this will never be achieved, and people's desires differ, the only way to attempt to achieve this equal input and distribution is by force. Who is to exercise this force? Those in charge directing those who apply the force - which defeats the whole premise of equality, and of socialism/communism.
    Anti-monarchism is the typical expression of envy, but envy and scorn are prevalent in socialist/crypto-communist societies because of the emoluments enjoyed by the bosses at the expense of the proles, who work inefficiently (and steal to sustain themselves) to punish the regime. "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us", the classic expression of cynicism in the Soviet Union. An encyclopedia of cynicism could be filled with the jokes and aphorisms of Soviet citizens.
    As far as 'one day [communism] might [work]', (a common sentiment among those who admit it doesn't work), it does work for ants and bees. The ones who work, anyway. The rest are allowed or made to fall by the wayside.
    In fact, Western and other societies do accomodate elements of socialism and capitalism - taking from the 'rich' and giving to the 'poor', (but keeping in mind that many people are quite happy with minimal comforts and resources. I for one have no feelings of envy for those who have more) is the basis of 'democracy', the buying of votes with other people's money, a deficiency that was recognized very quickly in Ancient Greece.
    , @Philip Owen
    But making the rich poor does not make the poor rich. Every socialist government has proved this. Western European Social Democracy on the other hand does manage significant progress in this direction without revolution.
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  57. Cyrano says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Do you advocate legalization of all adult drug use and sale, including cocaine, meth, and heroin? There's a good set of arguments for that, just wondering. Because that is the most obvious way to effect a drastic drop in the US prison population in fairly short order without lessening the punishments for violent crimes and property crimes.

    If you don't advocate that, how do you propose to drastically lower the US prison population without endangering peaceful Americans more than we already are?

    Shorter prison terms for murder, voluntary manslaughter, armed robbery, burglary, or rape?

    Repeal the prohibition on felons possessing firearms? (Because a goodly number of our inmates can attribute part of their sentences to a conviction for "felon in possession.")

    Final question: do you really think that these supposedly superior countries which have a lower incarceration percentage, would be able to continue in that state if they had tens of millions of Africans as we do? Or are most of the vast number of Africans in our prison system just poor innocent little guys oppressed by the system?

    Quartermaster may be a reflexively Russian-hating warmonger, but this lefty trope about the US being unjust because of our disproportionately larger prison population, is, on balance, not sound.

    I don’t think you understood my argument. I was merely trying to point out the discrepancies between the advertised and the reality. As that moron QMaster was trying to say that socialism was supposed to be about equality, and yet the elites enjoyed luxury which was out of reach for the proles.

    Same thing with US – it’s billing itself as land of the free, and yet it has the highest incarceration rate in the world, plus an army of homeless – who are free, but not exactly a desirable form of freedom, more like free-range prisoners of lack of economic opportunities. I wasn’t even trying to analyze whether those in prison deserve to be there or not. I am just trying to point out the false advertising.

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    Well, fair enough, Monsieur de Bergerac :)

    But is there any system that will "work" when such a large segment of the population is relatively low-intelligence, implacably embittered, slothful, and unusually prone to violence and aggressive outbursts at slight perceived insults or provocations or for no reason at all? Communism, socialism, fascism, mixed economy, free enterprise capitalism, state or crony capitalism, all of them will struggle to feed, house, clothe, and control such a large savage population within its own borders.

    For example, as Germany, France, and Sweden become increasingly African, they may finally come to understand what we have been dealing with here in the big bad racist USA. Watch their crime rates rise, as they have already, and then watch their prison populations explode. The "disproportionate" incarceration in the USA won't be unique among nominally free or nominally western countries then.

    It's easy to criticize us for incarcerating "too many" Africans, when the criticizing party's country doesn't have many Africans to deal with and he has never lived full time among them....

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  58. Eagle Eye says:
    @gdpbull
    A large portion of the hate Russia crowd were previously fellow travelers who had a soft spot for the Soviet Union.

    A large portion of the hate Russia crowd were previously fellow travelers who had a soft spot for the Soviet Union.

    Good observation. No more trustworthy now than they were as Soviet groupies.

    The unifying trait is that they are worshipful groupies.

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  59. @Cyrano
    I don’t think you understood my argument. I was merely trying to point out the discrepancies between the advertised and the reality. As that moron QMaster was trying to say that socialism was supposed to be about equality, and yet the elites enjoyed luxury which was out of reach for the proles.

    Same thing with US – it’s billing itself as land of the free, and yet it has the highest incarceration rate in the world, plus an army of homeless – who are free, but not exactly a desirable form of freedom, more like free-range prisoners of lack of economic opportunities. I wasn’t even trying to analyze whether those in prison deserve to be there or not. I am just trying to point out the false advertising.

    Well, fair enough, Monsieur de Bergerac :)

    But is there any system that will “work” when such a large segment of the population is relatively low-intelligence, implacably embittered, slothful, and unusually prone to violence and aggressive outbursts at slight perceived insults or provocations or for no reason at all? Communism, socialism, fascism, mixed economy, free enterprise capitalism, state or crony capitalism, all of them will struggle to feed, house, clothe, and control such a large savage population within its own borders.

    For example, as Germany, France, and Sweden become increasingly African, they may finally come to understand what we have been dealing with here in the big bad racist USA. Watch their crime rates rise, as they have already, and then watch their prison populations explode. The “disproportionate” incarceration in the USA won’t be unique among nominally free or nominally western countries then.

    It’s easy to criticize us for incarcerating “too many” Africans, when the criticizing party’s country doesn’t have many Africans to deal with and he has never lived full time among them….

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  60. @Kiza
    I would like to suggest that we stay out of the discussions Communism v. Capitalism here because the US attack on Russia, as Saker says, has nothing to do with Communism and never had. It has always been the ethnic hatred, which probably originated in Europe and was transferred to US by the large British, German, Polish and Galician immigration.

    “we”

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    Thanks for your question.

    "we" as opposed to the usual, omnipresent anti-Saker, anti-Giraldi Hasbara trolls: Quartermaster, utu, Sherman, peterAUS, Johny Ricco, Michael Kenny etc etc I might have misspelled the handles because I always skip their repetitive garbage

    "we" is short for "we the constructive commentators", the people that I learn something from. Fair?

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  61. Kiza says:
    @norse nestor
    "we"

    Thanks for your question.

    “we” as opposed to the usual, omnipresent anti-Saker, anti-Giraldi Hasbara trolls: Quartermaster, utu, Sherman, peterAUS, Johny Ricco, Michael Kenny etc etc I might have misspelled the handles because I always skip their repetitive garbage

    “we” is short for “we the constructive commentators”, the people that I learn something from. Fair?

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    Don't put a question mark ; Fair ?
    I'm going to respond.
    Define constructive
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  62. Kiza says:
    @Disenter
    There is no need for this Sherman, shame on you!

    I did think when reading the article that some really stupid fool would get caught in that silly little trap of Saker’s and voilà. How low can Hasbara go?

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    How low can Hasbara go?

    As low as necessary.

    When the neo-Nazis go low we do not handicap ourselves; we can go low or high, whichever is advantageous.

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  63. utu says:
    @Che Guava
    Hello the Saker.

    The interesting account. I have occasionally suggested user names here (Agent of Kremlin, Putinbot), would be using them myself at times if the policy were not so strict on changing user names.

    Just to annoying some of the more stupid posters here.

    The photo of Putin and Solzhenitsyn, I had not seen before. It is the perect balance to the older one of Solzhenitsyn as an angry and despairing (with good reason for both) zek.

    ... although, as he was saying himself, he was finding a relative tropical island within the.GULAG, Not that is not still imprisonment for very bad reasons.

    Sad for the many not to having such minor fortune, very bad to be trapped in prison camp for a nothing,, and then be set upon by violent criminals.

    Until reading of it, I was thinking it was a British (plus former colonies) and American invention to punishing prisoners by having under threat of violent rape or assault by other prisoners.

    In Japan, the prisons are corrupt to the extent that they are giving convicted politicians or Yakuza bosses and assassins luxury conditions, from a couple of people I know who were serving short times, I am hearing that the food is very dull (deathly dull) unless in the above categories, but unlike in AngloZionist places and former GULAG, the guards are very good to stopping violence and rape among inmates.

    Am knowing that you are hating Stalin, I may well be wrong, not born at the time, but at least part of the picture was to taming and defeating the lewish Bolsheviki, have, since reading of him, always thought of Mercador as a hero, Bronstein was such an excrement, the world is that little better place for his death, though sooner would have been better.

    As for Amazon, am not wanting to send them any order, am hating that company, and the way it is working.

    Until reading of it, I was thinking it was a British (plus former colonies) and American invention to punishing prisoners by having under threat of violent rape or assault by other prisoners.

    I do not know whose invention it was. But in continental Europe (including Russia) in 19 century political prisoners were separated from common criminals. Political prisoners in Russia and Austro-Hungary were treated very well.

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    utu sorry, but this is far from a truth. Political prisoners in Russia and Austro-Hungary were treated very BAD. Most cruel concentration camps where in Ausria (Thalerhof and Teresin). You can find more information in the net, those camps were places where hundreds of thousands of russians and rusins where murdered in very beginning of 20th century. We do remember everything https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%84
    Sorry, but that link is in Russian
    , @yurivku
    Found a link in English, they shyly not describes in detailes tortures and amount of killed people, but some information exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalerhof_internment_camp
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  64. How about Troll pride?

    Politics of Pride by the Ramz.

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  65. yurivku says:

    Thanks Saker, you’re the one from very little community who are able to understand what’s going on. The magority are doing everything to get a war on their’s doorstep . Stupid? Yes, but they still do it. The chances on a good final seem to me be a very poor. But everyone should understand that we, Russians, always fight to the last drop of blood, and this is not gonna change.

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  66. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Cyrano
    People used to stage revolutions in order to bring communism to their countries. Plenty of examples for that: Russia, China, Cuba and many others. Of course, those people were deluded, right? Who would want to bring a system that preaches economic equality? It must be someone who is out of their mind. Has there ever been a capitalist revolution where someone took up arms trying to bring capitalism to their country? Must be because it’s such a humane and desirable system. Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion. Really? Then how come it tolerates socialism (communism), better than Christianity ever did? Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan they were all socialist at some point. That’s why the greatest democracy set their sights on them to destroy them. Because, you see, by their calculations, no matter how extremist and backward the Islam gets, it’s still more progressive than socialism or communism. Helluva math there. The game has always been about preserving capitalism, and not the most benign version either. Which is too bad, because capitalism has been known to tolerate dictatorship, fascism, Nazism, slavery – pretty much the ugliest forms of government the sick human mind can come up with, but it can’t tolerate little bit of socialism. Because you see, socialism is worse than any of those lovely political systems. Democracy (capitalism) is too pure for that, such a fragile and delicate thing that it is. I am surprised Sweden hasn’t been bombed yet, for their flirting with socialism, but the way the things are going over there, they don’t have to be bombed. They did themselves in by following someone’s stupid ideas about multiculturalism – which of course is also a form of socialism – racial one, instead the real deal – the economic socialism that the greatest democracy of them all is so afraid of.

    Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion.

    That they do, don’t they!

    Please note that I am not addressing this message to you, but just generally to anyone who subscribes to that notion.

    Any talk of Islam being backward, forward, left, right, up or down, is simply irrelevant to us believers… even though I concede extremism is a major problem, but a problem not at all unique to our faith.

    The only idea of primary importance on a spiritual level, which for a fervent theist is everything, is, True Monotheism on the one side & Polytheism\PseudoMonotheism on the other.

    It is this very fact which pricks the eye of Islamophobes. Try as they might, they are unable to shake Islam’s true monotheistic beliefs.

    If remaining True Monotheist means remaining “backward,” we take pride in our backwardness.

    Peace to you.

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    "...True Monotheism..."
     
    Why would that matter? My humble view is that if there is a single deity, why wouldn't there be multiple ones? We simply don't know, so all religion is largely about pleasant speculations. It is supposed to make us more viable, our lives better, our will-power less flagging. When you start with the 'True..' stuff, you are making it into an inevitable conflict.

    If there is one, why not two, or more? How do you come up with the limit?
    , @Che Guava
    It is amusing to seeing you, Talha, to posting as Anonymous for this little sermon.

    Fact is, your 'prophet' was an illiterate schizophrenic, spreading the 'faith' as the leader of a gang of pirates, rapists, thieves, and murderers in his own lifetime.

    That is the truly unique thing about Islam.

    The only close comparison I can thinking of is Morons, early, but they have mainly left their sordid and murderous behaviour, and some insane delusions, aside since setting up in Utah.

    Thanks to the 'keepers of the mosques' and their oil money, places where Moslems were a fraction less insane, now are not.
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  67. yurivku says:
    @utu
    Until reading of it, I was thinking it was a British (plus former colonies) and American invention to punishing prisoners by having under threat of violent rape or assault by other prisoners.

    I do not know whose invention it was. But in continental Europe (including Russia) in 19 century political prisoners were separated from common criminals. Political prisoners in Russia and Austro-Hungary were treated very well.

    utu sorry, but this is far from a truth. Political prisoners in Russia and Austro-Hungary were treated very BAD. Most cruel concentration camps where in Ausria (Thalerhof and Teresin). You can find more information in the net, those camps were places where hundreds of thousands of russians and rusins where murdered in very beginning of 20th century. We do remember everything https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%84
    Sorry, but that link is in Russian

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  68. yurivku says:
    @utu
    Until reading of it, I was thinking it was a British (plus former colonies) and American invention to punishing prisoners by having under threat of violent rape or assault by other prisoners.

    I do not know whose invention it was. But in continental Europe (including Russia) in 19 century political prisoners were separated from common criminals. Political prisoners in Russia and Austro-Hungary were treated very well.

    Found a link in English, they shyly not describes in detailes tortures and amount of killed people, but some information exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalerhof_internment_camp

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  69. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @yeah
    Well, what evidence have you for asserting that Putin is a thug? You saw through the media's false reporting earlier as you admit, so how come you again swallow the load of marbles that they dish out?

    And while Putin may or may not be feared by "near abroad" he certainly is feared by those who seek total dominance of the planet. The thing is, he is not an easy pushover and that is what is behind the thug claims. Many thinking people admire his intellect, statesmanship, and skill in dealing with major problems of our times. The media also hates him because he shows up the western leaders for the clowns that they are.

    A principled US Government would have dealt very differently with Russia and Putin. There is no inherent conflict of interest with Russia once global dominance is discarded as the main policy objective.

    “There is no inherent conflict of interest with Russia once global dominance is discarded as the main policy objective.”

    Bingo

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  70. iffen says:
    @Kiza
    I did think when reading the article that some really stupid fool would get caught in that silly little trap of Saker's and voilà. How low can Hasbara go?

    How low can Hasbara go?

    As low as necessary.

    When the neo-Nazis go low we do not handicap ourselves; we can go low or high, whichever is advantageous.

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    Oh, I am sorry little iffen that in my list of trolls you became “etc etc”. Perhaps your trolling does deserve a better acknowledgement than “etc”, but you will never get anywhere just by labeling anyone and everyone who exposes the trollish Zio-Nazi garbage as Neo-Nazi. That is totally worn-out in the general population, because your ZioNazis have long overshadowed all other Nazis that ever existed.
    , @Anon

    When the neo-Nazis go low
     
    Raevsky is a neo-Nazi? OK.

    And he's going low? Sure. Fine. Whatever.

    @someone else


    a homophobic bigot.
     
    Don't forget a Nazi. And a terrorist. And a pinko Commie.
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  71. yurivku says:

    While everybody sleeps in USA I’ll write a little more as a responce to the Saker’s confession. Actually it’s 1st time for a quite a long time when I got a desire to tell something to western guys and not only because of poor English – things are changing dramatically and I began to fill smell of forthcoming war. This time it could be very hot.
    I old enogh to remember 1st Cold War, horror of Eltsyn’s type of democracy and this brand new Cold War II. As every Russian I have no bad feelings to western people especially because I had good aquitances and even friends in the UK and USA. But with each new year I’m hating western tops more and more and this is common to absolute majority of Russians. We got used to any difficulties in our history and those so called Russians who support western point of
    view are mainly not Russians or represent few pecent of our society, alas, but betrators were always.
    As every Russian I very well know that we never had a desire to takeover any countries, but
    there were alot of wars in our history – french, germans, turkish, swedish, english, italians, polish and many others were trying to get a piece of our pie… Many of them are enriching our land.
    On the contrary USA – Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Livia, Iraq … etc. We will never forget Serbia and never forgive it. And they (West) call us occupants ?!
    One can say about Crimea, well, it’s our land for a time longer than USA exists, I have alot more reasons to tell,
    but won’t asking an excuse, – you can easily find those explanations if really want to understand it.
    Or ask me, but it’s separate story. Even more about Ukraine, the West did it and amount of lies in your “fake news” just amazing.
    I do remember what was Russia before Putin and see what it is now. You can be sure we are supporting him and no because of fear, but because we feel like him.
    If somebody thinks that sanctions and military threats will frigten us – he’s mistaken, all these only joint us, makes us ready to fight up to the end. See what Trump doing in North Korea! He’s just provoking nuclear war, I can’t imagine more stupid behavior, but those aren’t playground games, it is matter of human being existence!
    Actualy nothing new happens – as always Rusianphobes saying stupid things, doing rubbish …but current american goverment so insane as we never saw before – McCain, H.Clinton … Trump it’s just a some surreal zoo!
    “Russian hackers did Trump”! I can’t imagine normal human saying that, but reading your mass media I see that absolutely all major papers concider it being proved.
    Tons of lies on our sportsmen, capture diplomatic properties, insults to our president,
    provocations in Syria, attempts to give lethal weapons to ukrainians, provocations near our borders – are you really want to test our nukes??? Are you ready? We actually are and day by day getting feeling that it’s going to be inevitable.
    If it’s not your goal to be burned together with your home (well and with us I’m afraid) – it’s a time to stop it. Well, I’m ready to hear that I’m a “Russian troll”, but only 1st word true. I’m a man having parents and children and
    I worry on theirs future. I hope that some of you will worry on yours too.
    Always ready to discuss.

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    As every Russian I very well know that we never had a desire to takeover any countries,
     
    Except, of course:
    Eastern Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, and attempt on Yugoslavia.
    Afghanistan.

    If somebody thinks that sanctions and military threats will frigten us – he’s mistaken, all these only joint us, makes us ready to fight up to the end.
     
    Maybe.
    You were saying the same thing before the dissolution of Soviet Union too.

    Interesting post, on a couple of levels.
    , @Philip Owen
    So how did Muscovy turn into the Russian Empire? And name a date for the British invasion of India.
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  72. Kiza says:
    @iffen
    How low can Hasbara go?

    As low as necessary.

    When the neo-Nazis go low we do not handicap ourselves; we can go low or high, whichever is advantageous.

    Oh, I am sorry little iffen that in my list of trolls you became “etc etc”. Perhaps your trolling does deserve a better acknowledgement than “etc”, but you will never get anywhere just by labeling anyone and everyone who exposes the trollish Zio-Nazi garbage as Neo-Nazi. That is totally worn-out in the general population, because your ZioNazis have long overshadowed all other Nazis that ever existed.

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  73. robt says:
    @Cyrano
    I think you misunderstood me Kiza. I wasn’t advocating switch to communism. I know that communism doesn’t work. One day it might, but not yet. Have you ever heard of hybrid warfare? It goes like this: Capitalism is war of the rich against the poor. Socialism is war of the poor against the rich. Hybrid warfare would be a society with elements of both, which would benefit both the rich and the poor. I was just trying to point out that capitalism can handle elements of socialism – since it had been able to handle fascism, Nazism, monarchy and all other extreme forms of government.

    Human social organization and economics ultimately are subject to the laws of nature.
    If civilization is the attempt to defeat the laws of nature, and politics is the expression of civilization in organizing these activities, then socialism would be the highest expression of politics. But defeating the laws of nature must always ultimately fail, and thus socialism must always fail. To hope for ‘equality’, usually meaning economic equality, is to hope for an impossibility, and socialism ( the transitional period in the achievement of communism) is not viable, simply because the output of resources necessary to sustain it requires equal input from all individuals. Because this will never be achieved, and people’s desires differ, the only way to attempt to achieve this equal input and distribution is by force. Who is to exercise this force? Those in charge directing those who apply the force – which defeats the whole premise of equality, and of socialism/communism.
    Anti-monarchism is the typical expression of envy, but envy and scorn are prevalent in socialist/crypto-communist societies because of the emoluments enjoyed by the bosses at the expense of the proles, who work inefficiently (and steal to sustain themselves) to punish the regime. “We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us”, the classic expression of cynicism in the Soviet Union. An encyclopedia of cynicism could be filled with the jokes and aphorisms of Soviet citizens.
    As far as ‘one day [communism] might [work]‘, (a common sentiment among those who admit it doesn’t work), it does work for ants and bees. The ones who work, anyway. The rest are allowed or made to fall by the wayside.
    In fact, Western and other societies do accomodate elements of socialism and capitalism – taking from the ‘rich’ and giving to the ‘poor’, (but keeping in mind that many people are quite happy with minimal comforts and resources. I for one have no feelings of envy for those who have more) is the basis of ‘democracy’, the buying of votes with other people’s money, a deficiency that was recognized very quickly in Ancient Greece.

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    I think that your entire polemic is bogus. Just because capitalism is a prevalent political system at the moment – to use that as a proof that it is so because of the “law of nature” is ridiculous. Capitalism is still a prevalent political system but it uses enormous amounts of energy to suppress alternative ideas from emerging and ultimately – it will fail. Like any other political system ever that ever existed – ultimately it will run out of evolution. What do you think multiculturalism is – trying to bring a heartbeat into a dead corpse – is what it is. Multiculturalism is attempt to “modernize” capitalism, to make it more “humane” without making further economic concessions that socialism will call for. So far multiculturalism has managed to fool the fools that it’s “progressive”. There is nothing progressive about capitalism, it’s all smoke and mirrors. They’ve been playing that game for a good 100 years now, trying to pretend that they are evolving and “modernizing”. If capitalism wants to survive it will have to continue making concessions to socialism, not just pretending that it does, otherwise its days are numbered. In US they try to reverse the trend – it’s not going to work. The only things that make capitalism livable are the socialist elements in it. Just to remind you, if you remove the socialist elements out of capitalism – there will be no social benefits, no 8 hour work day, no vacation, no pensions. Those all came under threat from communism in order to prevent revolution in the capitalist world in the 1930’s. Don’t talk to me how socialism is not possible, sonny boy, I would say that capitalism is not possible without socialism anymore.
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  74. peterAUS says:
    @yurivku
    While everybody sleeps in USA I'll write a little more as a responce to the Saker's confession. Actually it's 1st time for a quite a long time when I got a desire to tell something to western guys and not only because of poor English - things are changing dramatically and I began to fill smell of forthcoming war. This time it could be very hot.
    I old enogh to remember 1st Cold War, horror of Eltsyn's type of democracy and this brand new Cold War II. As every Russian I have no bad feelings to western people especially because I had good aquitances and even friends in the UK and USA. But with each new year I'm hating western tops more and more and this is common to absolute majority of Russians. We got used to any difficulties in our history and those so called Russians who support western point of
    view are mainly not Russians or represent few pecent of our society, alas, but betrators were always.
    As every Russian I very well know that we never had a desire to takeover any countries, but
    there were alot of wars in our history - french, germans, turkish, swedish, english, italians, polish and many others were trying to get a piece of our pie... Many of them are enriching our land.
    On the contrary USA - Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Livia, Iraq ... etc. We will never forget Serbia and never forgive it. And they (West) call us occupants ?!
    One can say about Crimea, well, it's our land for a time longer than USA exists, I have alot more reasons to tell,
    but won't asking an excuse, - you can easily find those explanations if really want to understand it.
    Or ask me, but it's separate story. Even more about Ukraine, the West did it and amount of lies in your "fake news" just amazing.
    I do remember what was Russia before Putin and see what it is now. You can be sure we are supporting him and no because of fear, but because we feel like him.
    If somebody thinks that sanctions and military threats will frigten us - he's mistaken, all these only joint us, makes us ready to fight up to the end. See what Trump doing in North Korea! He's just provoking nuclear war, I can't imagine more stupid behavior, but those aren't playground games, it is matter of human being existence!
    Actualy nothing new happens - as always Rusianphobes saying stupid things, doing rubbish ...but current american goverment so insane as we never saw before - McCain, H.Clinton ... Trump it's just a some surreal zoo!
    "Russian hackers did Trump"! I can't imagine normal human saying that, but reading your mass media I see that absolutely all major papers concider it being proved.
    Tons of lies on our sportsmen, capture diplomatic properties, insults to our president,
    provocations in Syria, attempts to give lethal weapons to ukrainians, provocations near our borders - are you really want to test our nukes??? Are you ready? We actually are and day by day getting feeling that it's going to be inevitable.
    If it's not your goal to be burned together with your home (well and with us I'm afraid) - it's a time to stop it. Well, I'm ready to hear that I'm a "Russian troll", but only 1st word true. I'm a man having parents and children and
    I worry on theirs future. I hope that some of you will worry on yours too.
    Always ready to discuss.

    As every Russian I very well know that we never had a desire to takeover any countries,

    Except, of course:
    Eastern Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, and attempt on Yugoslavia.
    Afghanistan.

    If somebody thinks that sanctions and military threats will frigten us – he’s mistaken, all these only joint us, makes us ready to fight up to the end.

    Maybe.
    You were saying the same thing before the dissolution of Soviet Union too.

    Interesting post, on a couple of levels.

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    Well all your points could be explained, but I have no time and desire now and it"s quite late here in Moscow. Just one thing to say to all the McCain"s friends - we aren't Serbia and even not North Korea. This time you can loose your heads. If you consider your idea to eliminate us a good one - ok, go on, u"ve been warned.
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  75. Cyrano says:
    @robt
    Human social organization and economics ultimately are subject to the laws of nature.
    If civilization is the attempt to defeat the laws of nature, and politics is the expression of civilization in organizing these activities, then socialism would be the highest expression of politics. But defeating the laws of nature must always ultimately fail, and thus socialism must always fail. To hope for 'equality', usually meaning economic equality, is to hope for an impossibility, and socialism ( the transitional period in the achievement of communism) is not viable, simply because the output of resources necessary to sustain it requires equal input from all individuals. Because this will never be achieved, and people's desires differ, the only way to attempt to achieve this equal input and distribution is by force. Who is to exercise this force? Those in charge directing those who apply the force - which defeats the whole premise of equality, and of socialism/communism.
    Anti-monarchism is the typical expression of envy, but envy and scorn are prevalent in socialist/crypto-communist societies because of the emoluments enjoyed by the bosses at the expense of the proles, who work inefficiently (and steal to sustain themselves) to punish the regime. "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us", the classic expression of cynicism in the Soviet Union. An encyclopedia of cynicism could be filled with the jokes and aphorisms of Soviet citizens.
    As far as 'one day [communism] might [work]', (a common sentiment among those who admit it doesn't work), it does work for ants and bees. The ones who work, anyway. The rest are allowed or made to fall by the wayside.
    In fact, Western and other societies do accomodate elements of socialism and capitalism - taking from the 'rich' and giving to the 'poor', (but keeping in mind that many people are quite happy with minimal comforts and resources. I for one have no feelings of envy for those who have more) is the basis of 'democracy', the buying of votes with other people's money, a deficiency that was recognized very quickly in Ancient Greece.

    I think that your entire polemic is bogus. Just because capitalism is a prevalent political system at the moment – to use that as a proof that it is so because of the “law of nature” is ridiculous. Capitalism is still a prevalent political system but it uses enormous amounts of energy to suppress alternative ideas from emerging and ultimately – it will fail. Like any other political system ever that ever existed – ultimately it will run out of evolution. What do you think multiculturalism is – trying to bring a heartbeat into a dead corpse – is what it is. Multiculturalism is attempt to “modernize” capitalism, to make it more “humane” without making further economic concessions that socialism will call for. So far multiculturalism has managed to fool the fools that it’s “progressive”. There is nothing progressive about capitalism, it’s all smoke and mirrors. They’ve been playing that game for a good 100 years now, trying to pretend that they are evolving and “modernizing”. If capitalism wants to survive it will have to continue making concessions to socialism, not just pretending that it does, otherwise its days are numbered. In US they try to reverse the trend – it’s not going to work. The only things that make capitalism livable are the socialist elements in it. Just to remind you, if you remove the socialist elements out of capitalism – there will be no social benefits, no 8 hour work day, no vacation, no pensions. Those all came under threat from communism in order to prevent revolution in the capitalist world in the 1930’s. Don’t talk to me how socialism is not possible, sonny boy, I would say that capitalism is not possible without socialism anymore.

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    " Multiculturalism is attempt to “modernize” capitalism, to make it more “humane” without making further economic concessions that socialism will call for."
    I believe the goal of promotion of multiculturalism and other isms by capitalism is basically attempt to divide and rule. It is really 101. It is far easier to control divided people who have nothing in common than those united.
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  76. paulllll says:

    Blogsites should not republish Saker, a homophobic bigot.

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  77. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    How low can Hasbara go?

    As low as necessary.

    When the neo-Nazis go low we do not handicap ourselves; we can go low or high, whichever is advantageous.

    When the neo-Nazis go low

    Raevsky is a neo-Nazi? OK.

    And he’s going low? Sure. Fine. Whatever.

    @someone else

    a homophobic bigot.

    Don’t forget a Nazi. And a terrorist. And a pinko Commie.

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  78. yurivku says:
    @peterAUS

    As every Russian I very well know that we never had a desire to takeover any countries,
     
    Except, of course:
    Eastern Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, and attempt on Yugoslavia.
    Afghanistan.

    If somebody thinks that sanctions and military threats will frigten us – he’s mistaken, all these only joint us, makes us ready to fight up to the end.
     
    Maybe.
    You were saying the same thing before the dissolution of Soviet Union too.

    Interesting post, on a couple of levels.

    Well all your points could be explained, but I have no time and desire now and it”s quite late here in Moscow. Just one thing to say to all the McCain”s friends – we aren’t Serbia and even not North Korea. This time you can loose your heads. If you consider your idea to eliminate us a good one – ok, go on, u”ve been warned.

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  79. Beckow says:
    @anonymous

    Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion.
     
    That they do, don't they!

    Please note that I am not addressing this message to you, but just generally to anyone who subscribes to that notion.

    Any talk of Islam being backward, forward, left, right, up or down, is simply irrelevant to us believers... even though I concede extremism is a major problem, but a problem not at all unique to our faith.

    The only idea of primary importance on a spiritual level, which for a fervent theist is everything, is, True Monotheism on the one side & Polytheism\PseudoMonotheism on the other.

    It is this very fact which pricks the eye of Islamophobes. Try as they might, they are unable to shake Islam's true monotheistic beliefs.

    If remaining True Monotheist means remaining "backward," we take pride in our backwardness.

    Peace to you.

    “…True Monotheism…”

    Why would that matter? My humble view is that if there is a single deity, why wouldn’t there be multiple ones? We simply don’t know, so all religion is largely about pleasant speculations. It is supposed to make us more viable, our lives better, our will-power less flagging. When you start with the ‘True..‘ stuff, you are making it into an inevitable conflict.

    If there is one, why not two, or more? How do you come up with the limit?

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  80. @Cyrano
    I think that your entire polemic is bogus. Just because capitalism is a prevalent political system at the moment – to use that as a proof that it is so because of the “law of nature” is ridiculous. Capitalism is still a prevalent political system but it uses enormous amounts of energy to suppress alternative ideas from emerging and ultimately – it will fail. Like any other political system ever that ever existed – ultimately it will run out of evolution. What do you think multiculturalism is – trying to bring a heartbeat into a dead corpse – is what it is. Multiculturalism is attempt to “modernize” capitalism, to make it more “humane” without making further economic concessions that socialism will call for. So far multiculturalism has managed to fool the fools that it’s “progressive”. There is nothing progressive about capitalism, it’s all smoke and mirrors. They’ve been playing that game for a good 100 years now, trying to pretend that they are evolving and “modernizing”. If capitalism wants to survive it will have to continue making concessions to socialism, not just pretending that it does, otherwise its days are numbered. In US they try to reverse the trend – it’s not going to work. The only things that make capitalism livable are the socialist elements in it. Just to remind you, if you remove the socialist elements out of capitalism – there will be no social benefits, no 8 hour work day, no vacation, no pensions. Those all came under threat from communism in order to prevent revolution in the capitalist world in the 1930’s. Don’t talk to me how socialism is not possible, sonny boy, I would say that capitalism is not possible without socialism anymore.

    ” Multiculturalism is attempt to “modernize” capitalism, to make it more “humane” without making further economic concessions that socialism will call for.”
    I believe the goal of promotion of multiculturalism and other isms by capitalism is basically attempt to divide and rule. It is really 101. It is far easier to control divided people who have nothing in common than those united.

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  81. RobinG says:

    More RUSSIAGATE: The Magnitsky Act and US Censorship of Speech

    Interview with Alex Krainer, author of “The Killing of Bill Browder,” the book that the democracy bandits don’t want you to read.

    FAULT LINES W/ NIXON AND STRANAHAN — 11/30/17 —
    The book that Bill Browder doesn’t want you to read

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  82. RobinG says:

    The correct title is

    The Killing of William Browder: Deconstructing Bill Browder’s Dangerous Deception

    Links to download available here -

    https://thesaker.is/cooperative-authors-the-killing-of-william-browder-deconstructing-bill-browders-dangerous-deception-alex-krainer-with-review-by-the-saker/

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  83. @Kiza
    I would like to suggest that we stay out of the discussions Communism v. Capitalism here because the US attack on Russia, as Saker says, has nothing to do with Communism and never had. It has always been the ethnic hatred, which probably originated in Europe and was transferred to US by the large British, German, Polish and Galician immigration.

    Russia has a problem of post imperial antagonism that makes the UK/Irish situation look very moderate. Every ethnic group on Russia’s border from Finland to Dagestan has profound reasons to hate Russia. Add the Poles, Jews Ukrainians and North Caucasians like Circassians too. So the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere are full of people with historic hatred to Imperial Russia and it’s successors. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Russia has yet to learn this.

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    Another definition of a troll is that he does not have the faintest idea what he/she is writing about. This is because the trolls’ knowledge of history mostly comes from the Internet lessons by other trolls. You fit the picture perfectly by reducing thousands of years of history to the quasi-learned grandiose phrases such as “post-imperialism antagonism”.
    , @Cyrano
    Lots of wishful thinking involved there, partner. I think you are dead wrong on this one. One of the big advantages that Russia has over countries, like US, France, Germany, pretty much all colonial powers, especially GB is this: Russia has never treated any of the minorities within their borders worse than they have treated themselves. As far as I know, the majority of the Gulag population were ethnic Russians, as opposed to the inhabitants of the concentration camps who were definitely not of the same ethnicity as those who put them there. And also, the colonial powers never treated the inhabitants of their colonies as equals – that’s why there was no love lost between them when it all ended. Minorities in Russia today receive far better treatment than the phony “multiculturalism” in the west can ever muster. In fact, they are not treated as minorities – they are treated as Russians.
    , @peterAUS
    Agree.

    That feeling ranges from hate to simply "not liking very much", though.
    I guess that closer one was/is to Russian imperialism stronger that feeling is.

    Slovenians...not liking much.
    Ukrainian nationalists...hating.

    In any case, not a friendly/forthcoming attitude for sure.
    , @yurivku
    Seems that u know alot abour Russia. Can u explain why its still exists after several hundreds, no, thouthands of years? Your wet dreams of our dividing still in the thin air but even people like u should guard theirs ass. This time it coud be affected ...
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  84. @L.K
    Very true.

    "And almost the whole population has obviously experienced improved living standards since 2000"

    Before that, one saw the days of plundering gangster Capitalism, all aided by the fiend to rape Russia & bring the country as a component into the Empire... to provide energy and other commodities for the Center.

    Plan reversed, loss for the Zio-US Empire...

    Hardly reversed. Russia is pumping oil frantically to compensate for loss of price.nt. Recent volume reductions are very modest.

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  85. @Cyrano
    Right. Those were capitalist revolutions. You are bang on. Capitalism is one of the most tolerant systems of all kinds of extremism, as I already mentioned. Capitalism has been known to tolerate monarchy, fascism, Nazism, various forms of dictatorships, slavery, pretty much everything. But they draw the line at tolerating socialism, like it’s the worst extremism they have ever tolerated. My point is, capitalism is pretty robust system, it’s not some delicate beauty that will fall apart if it comes in touch with socialism. Democracy is only a window dressing, it has never been about democracy, it has always been about capitalism.

    Economic liberty is a precondition for democracy, not that I am a great fan of allowing the uneducated or non taxpayers to vote. Liberty is enough.

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    Democracy is not a synonym with Capitalism – the way the US propaganda wants to portray it. In fact one is not even a precondition for the existence of the other. Democracy can exist without capitalism and vice versa. Proof? Those who invented “democracy” – the ancient Greeks, where nowhere near capitalism, and it wasn’t much of democracy either. Same for capitalism – Nazi Germany was capitalist – never mind national “socialism” bluff, fascist Italy was capitalist, and so is China. So you don’t need “democracy” as a necessary ingredient for capitalism to exist. It’s all bull.
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  86. @Cyrano
    I think you misunderstood me Kiza. I wasn’t advocating switch to communism. I know that communism doesn’t work. One day it might, but not yet. Have you ever heard of hybrid warfare? It goes like this: Capitalism is war of the rich against the poor. Socialism is war of the poor against the rich. Hybrid warfare would be a society with elements of both, which would benefit both the rich and the poor. I was just trying to point out that capitalism can handle elements of socialism – since it had been able to handle fascism, Nazism, monarchy and all other extreme forms of government.

    But making the rich poor does not make the poor rich. Every socialist government has proved this. Western European Social Democracy on the other hand does manage significant progress in this direction without revolution.

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    That's what I've been trying to say all along. That western European capitalism should be a model of what capitalism should look like, not the US version.
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  87. @yurivku
    While everybody sleeps in USA I'll write a little more as a responce to the Saker's confession. Actually it's 1st time for a quite a long time when I got a desire to tell something to western guys and not only because of poor English - things are changing dramatically and I began to fill smell of forthcoming war. This time it could be very hot.
    I old enogh to remember 1st Cold War, horror of Eltsyn's type of democracy and this brand new Cold War II. As every Russian I have no bad feelings to western people especially because I had good aquitances and even friends in the UK and USA. But with each new year I'm hating western tops more and more and this is common to absolute majority of Russians. We got used to any difficulties in our history and those so called Russians who support western point of
    view are mainly not Russians or represent few pecent of our society, alas, but betrators were always.
    As every Russian I very well know that we never had a desire to takeover any countries, but
    there were alot of wars in our history - french, germans, turkish, swedish, english, italians, polish and many others were trying to get a piece of our pie... Many of them are enriching our land.
    On the contrary USA - Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Livia, Iraq ... etc. We will never forget Serbia and never forgive it. And they (West) call us occupants ?!
    One can say about Crimea, well, it's our land for a time longer than USA exists, I have alot more reasons to tell,
    but won't asking an excuse, - you can easily find those explanations if really want to understand it.
    Or ask me, but it's separate story. Even more about Ukraine, the West did it and amount of lies in your "fake news" just amazing.
    I do remember what was Russia before Putin and see what it is now. You can be sure we are supporting him and no because of fear, but because we feel like him.
    If somebody thinks that sanctions and military threats will frigten us - he's mistaken, all these only joint us, makes us ready to fight up to the end. See what Trump doing in North Korea! He's just provoking nuclear war, I can't imagine more stupid behavior, but those aren't playground games, it is matter of human being existence!
    Actualy nothing new happens - as always Rusianphobes saying stupid things, doing rubbish ...but current american goverment so insane as we never saw before - McCain, H.Clinton ... Trump it's just a some surreal zoo!
    "Russian hackers did Trump"! I can't imagine normal human saying that, but reading your mass media I see that absolutely all major papers concider it being proved.
    Tons of lies on our sportsmen, capture diplomatic properties, insults to our president,
    provocations in Syria, attempts to give lethal weapons to ukrainians, provocations near our borders - are you really want to test our nukes??? Are you ready? We actually are and day by day getting feeling that it's going to be inevitable.
    If it's not your goal to be burned together with your home (well and with us I'm afraid) - it's a time to stop it. Well, I'm ready to hear that I'm a "Russian troll", but only 1st word true. I'm a man having parents and children and
    I worry on theirs future. I hope that some of you will worry on yours too.
    Always ready to discuss.

    So how did Muscovy turn into the Russian Empire? And name a date for the British invasion of India.

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    Below is a definition of a troll. It 's fit u. But short answer is - we worked and we did it, Russian empinre. And what is important every litle nation still live where it used to. On the contrary remember American Indians
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  88. Cyrano says:
    @Philip Owen
    But making the rich poor does not make the poor rich. Every socialist government has proved this. Western European Social Democracy on the other hand does manage significant progress in this direction without revolution.

    That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along. That western European capitalism should be a model of what capitalism should look like, not the US version.

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  89. Kiza says:
    @Philip Owen
    Russia has a problem of post imperial antagonism that makes the UK/Irish situation look very moderate. Every ethnic group on Russia's border from Finland to Dagestan has profound reasons to hate Russia. Add the Poles, Jews Ukrainians and North Caucasians like Circassians too. So the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere are full of people with historic hatred to Imperial Russia and it's successors. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Russia has yet to learn this.

    Another definition of a troll is that he does not have the faintest idea what he/she is writing about. This is because the trolls’ knowledge of history mostly comes from the Internet lessons by other trolls. You fit the picture perfectly by reducing thousands of years of history to the quasi-learned grandiose phrases such as “post-imperialism antagonism”.

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  90. Cyrano says:
    @Philip Owen
    Economic liberty is a precondition for democracy, not that I am a great fan of allowing the uneducated or non taxpayers to vote. Liberty is enough.

    Democracy is not a synonym with Capitalism – the way the US propaganda wants to portray it. In fact one is not even a precondition for the existence of the other. Democracy can exist without capitalism and vice versa. Proof? Those who invented “democracy” – the ancient Greeks, where nowhere near capitalism, and it wasn’t much of democracy either. Same for capitalism – Nazi Germany was capitalist – never mind national “socialism” bluff, fascist Italy was capitalist, and so is China. So you don’t need “democracy” as a necessary ingredient for capitalism to exist. It’s all bull.

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    Nazi Germany had a fascist economy. State control of industrial group. Socialism. Socialist denial of Nazi links is an old story.
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  91. Cyrano says:
    @Philip Owen
    Russia has a problem of post imperial antagonism that makes the UK/Irish situation look very moderate. Every ethnic group on Russia's border from Finland to Dagestan has profound reasons to hate Russia. Add the Poles, Jews Ukrainians and North Caucasians like Circassians too. So the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere are full of people with historic hatred to Imperial Russia and it's successors. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Russia has yet to learn this.

    Lots of wishful thinking involved there, partner. I think you are dead wrong on this one. One of the big advantages that Russia has over countries, like US, France, Germany, pretty much all colonial powers, especially GB is this: Russia has never treated any of the minorities within their borders worse than they have treated themselves. As far as I know, the majority of the Gulag population were ethnic Russians, as opposed to the inhabitants of the concentration camps who were definitely not of the same ethnicity as those who put them there. And also, the colonial powers never treated the inhabitants of their colonies as equals – that’s why there was no love lost between them when it all ended. Minorities in Russia today receive far better treatment than the phony “multiculturalism” in the west can ever muster. In fact, they are not treated as minorities – they are treated as Russians.

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    You need to study Russian history. Nicholas I might a good start. The Empress Elizabeth too. She gave explicit orders for the extermination of a Siberian tribe. No US President or British Prime Minister did that. You might alter your views. Attempts at compulsory conversion to Orthodoxy might be construed as equal treatment by Russian nationalists. Poles see it differently. The Circassian genocide was about the same time as the Trail of Tears Russia was actually notorious in its time for its brutality, not the British Empire.
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  92. yurivku says:
    @Philip Owen
    So how did Muscovy turn into the Russian Empire? And name a date for the British invasion of India.

    Below is a definition of a troll. It ‘s fit u. But short answer is – we worked and we did it, Russian empinre. And what is important every litle nation still live where it used to. On the contrary remember American Indians

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    You are wrong about the American Indians and the British. Under British law, they owned the land, the US changed the law to give the US federal government the land which it then distributed to US citizens who did not include the Indians. The Indians changed from owners to "occupiers".

    Australia is a different case. Cook found no inhabitants so he declared it "Terra Nullis", unoccupied land. By the time it was clear that the Aborigines were there the settlers were not interested in changing their status. But, unlike Russia in the Far East, there were never any orders given to exterminate a people. For example, Elizabeth ordered the extermination of the Chuckchi. Half of them were killed. The other half destroyed the Russian army sent to finish the job. Russians worked hard at invasion. Britain worked hard at trade. The story of Yermakov and Siberia starts with conquest. The East Indian company was in Indian for 126 years before a shot was fired.
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  93. peterAUS says:
    @Philip Owen
    Russia has a problem of post imperial antagonism that makes the UK/Irish situation look very moderate. Every ethnic group on Russia's border from Finland to Dagestan has profound reasons to hate Russia. Add the Poles, Jews Ukrainians and North Caucasians like Circassians too. So the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere are full of people with historic hatred to Imperial Russia and it's successors. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Russia has yet to learn this.

    Agree.

    That feeling ranges from hate to simply “not liking very much”, though.
    I guess that closer one was/is to Russian imperialism stronger that feeling is.

    Slovenians…not liking much.
    Ukrainian nationalists…hating.

    In any case, not a friendly/forthcoming attitude for sure.

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    The f**k do you know about history, you f**king moron. Slovenia has NEVER, ever been under Soviet, or Russian domination or control in their entire history. Any bad feelings that they might have towards Russia are result of their sick minds only.
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  94. yurivku says:
    @Philip Owen
    Russia has a problem of post imperial antagonism that makes the UK/Irish situation look very moderate. Every ethnic group on Russia's border from Finland to Dagestan has profound reasons to hate Russia. Add the Poles, Jews Ukrainians and North Caucasians like Circassians too. So the US, Canada, Australia and elsewhere are full of people with historic hatred to Imperial Russia and it's successors. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Russia has yet to learn this.

    Seems that u know alot abour Russia. Can u explain why its still exists after several hundreds, no, thouthands of years? Your wet dreams of our dividing still in the thin air but even people like u should guard theirs ass. This time it coud be affected …

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    Circassians anyone? At the same time but on a larger scale than the Trail of Tears.

    The Trail of Tears was a US ethnic cleansing, not a British one. The US rebelled against Britain in order to take Native American land. There was a British law forbidding it, except by agreement between the Tribal Councils and the British governors.

    Oh, and where are the Volga Germans now? Or the Crimean Tatars?
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  95. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS
    Agree.

    That feeling ranges from hate to simply "not liking very much", though.
    I guess that closer one was/is to Russian imperialism stronger that feeling is.

    Slovenians...not liking much.
    Ukrainian nationalists...hating.

    In any case, not a friendly/forthcoming attitude for sure.

    The f**k do you know about history, you f**king moron. Slovenia has NEVER, ever been under Soviet, or Russian domination or control in their entire history. Any bad feelings that they might have towards Russia are result of their sick minds only.

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    Slovenia has NEVER, ever been under Soviet, or Russian domination or control in their entire history.
     
    Well, that is, sort of, correct.
    Doesn't change the point.

    You've failed to mention the brief period 1945-1948 when Soviet/Russian influence in Tito Yugoslavia was quite big.

    Slovenes simply got a very good feel how it would've fully worked if directly under Soviets/Russians.

    In any case, should anyone ask Slovenes what would they prefer as their masters, Americans or Russians, the answer will come fast and clear.
    BTW, Croats haven't been under Russia either. Ask them too.
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  96. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano
    The f**k do you know about history, you f**king moron. Slovenia has NEVER, ever been under Soviet, or Russian domination or control in their entire history. Any bad feelings that they might have towards Russia are result of their sick minds only.

    Slovenia has NEVER, ever been under Soviet, or Russian domination or control in their entire history.

    Well, that is, sort of, correct.
    Doesn’t change the point.

    You’ve failed to mention the brief period 1945-1948 when Soviet/Russian influence in Tito Yugoslavia was quite big.

    Slovenes simply got a very good feel how it would’ve fully worked if directly under Soviets/Russians.

    In any case, should anyone ask Slovenes what would they prefer as their masters, Americans or Russians, the answer will come fast and clear.
    BTW, Croats haven’t been under Russia either. Ask them too.

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    In any case, should anyone ask Slovenes what would they prefer as their masters,
     
    That's because they are dogs, both them and the Croats, only dogs need masters. I have no use for either of them.
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  97. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS

    Slovenia has NEVER, ever been under Soviet, or Russian domination or control in their entire history.
     
    Well, that is, sort of, correct.
    Doesn't change the point.

    You've failed to mention the brief period 1945-1948 when Soviet/Russian influence in Tito Yugoslavia was quite big.

    Slovenes simply got a very good feel how it would've fully worked if directly under Soviets/Russians.

    In any case, should anyone ask Slovenes what would they prefer as their masters, Americans or Russians, the answer will come fast and clear.
    BTW, Croats haven't been under Russia either. Ask them too.

    In any case, should anyone ask Slovenes what would they prefer as their masters,

    That’s because they are dogs, both them and the Croats, only dogs need masters. I have no use for either of them.

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    That’s because they are dogs, both them and the Croats, only dogs need masters.
     
    I guess they share the same sentiment for your tribe.
    That's, most likely, one of main reasons they don't prefer US retreating/Russia advancing.
    Your tribe could use that power shift to....how to put it politely......even the score from the last round?

    I have no use for either of them.
     
    Well, not for the moment.
    Should power shift happen, perhaps for a bit of target practice? Like last time?
    And they know it.
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  98. @Cyrano
    Democracy is not a synonym with Capitalism – the way the US propaganda wants to portray it. In fact one is not even a precondition for the existence of the other. Democracy can exist without capitalism and vice versa. Proof? Those who invented “democracy” – the ancient Greeks, where nowhere near capitalism, and it wasn’t much of democracy either. Same for capitalism – Nazi Germany was capitalist – never mind national “socialism” bluff, fascist Italy was capitalist, and so is China. So you don’t need “democracy” as a necessary ingredient for capitalism to exist. It’s all bull.

    Nazi Germany had a fascist economy. State control of industrial group. Socialism. Socialist denial of Nazi links is an old story.

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    Really? So the Nazis pretty much confiscated all privately owned enterprises and took over the ownership of all property? Pretty much a Nazi version of the USSR? You are totally, totally clueless. National "Socialism" was just a propaganda. There was no socialism. It just sounded nice - meaning we are taking care of the people - the German people - thus National "Socialism". Go get yourself little bit educated, then we can talk.

    http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capitalisback/CountryData/Germany/Other/Pre1950Series/RefsHistoricalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf
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  99. @Cyrano
    Lots of wishful thinking involved there, partner. I think you are dead wrong on this one. One of the big advantages that Russia has over countries, like US, France, Germany, pretty much all colonial powers, especially GB is this: Russia has never treated any of the minorities within their borders worse than they have treated themselves. As far as I know, the majority of the Gulag population were ethnic Russians, as opposed to the inhabitants of the concentration camps who were definitely not of the same ethnicity as those who put them there. And also, the colonial powers never treated the inhabitants of their colonies as equals – that’s why there was no love lost between them when it all ended. Minorities in Russia today receive far better treatment than the phony “multiculturalism” in the west can ever muster. In fact, they are not treated as minorities – they are treated as Russians.

    You need to study Russian history. Nicholas I might a good start. The Empress Elizabeth too. She gave explicit orders for the extermination of a Siberian tribe. No US President or British Prime Minister did that. You might alter your views. Attempts at compulsory conversion to Orthodoxy might be construed as equal treatment by Russian nationalists. Poles see it differently. The Circassian genocide was about the same time as the Trail of Tears Russia was actually notorious in its time for its brutality, not the British Empire.

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  100. Cyrano says:
    @Philip Owen
    Nazi Germany had a fascist economy. State control of industrial group. Socialism. Socialist denial of Nazi links is an old story.

    Really? So the Nazis pretty much confiscated all privately owned enterprises and took over the ownership of all property? Pretty much a Nazi version of the USSR? You are totally, totally clueless. National “Socialism” was just a propaganda. There was no socialism. It just sounded nice – meaning we are taking care of the people – the German people – thus National “Socialism”. Go get yourself little bit educated, then we can talk.

    http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capitalisback/CountryData/Germany/Other/Pre1950Series/RefsHistoricalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf

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    @Kiza
    Thanks for your question.

    "we" as opposed to the usual, omnipresent anti-Saker, anti-Giraldi Hasbara trolls: Quartermaster, utu, Sherman, peterAUS, Johny Ricco, Michael Kenny etc etc I might have misspelled the handles because I always skip their repetitive garbage

    "we" is short for "we the constructive commentators", the people that I learn something from. Fair?

    Don’t put a question mark ; Fair ?
    I’m going to respond.
    Define constructive

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    It appears that you are in a dire need of a dictionary, to find out what "constructive" means. I cannot help you much there. Or perhaps, try searching for the meaning of the word online.
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  102. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano

    In any case, should anyone ask Slovenes what would they prefer as their masters,
     
    That's because they are dogs, both them and the Croats, only dogs need masters. I have no use for either of them.

    That’s because they are dogs, both them and the Croats, only dogs need masters.

    I guess they share the same sentiment for your tribe.
    That’s, most likely, one of main reasons they don’t prefer US retreating/Russia advancing.
    Your tribe could use that power shift to….how to put it politely……even the score from the last round?

    I have no use for either of them.

    Well, not for the moment.
    Should power shift happen, perhaps for a bit of target practice? Like last time?
    And they know it.

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    Don't play smart with me, you stupid. Don't pretend like you know something. They are all the same tribe, whether they like it or not. The Slovenians, the Croats, and the "other" tribe that you are referring to - like you are a privy to some information that no one else knows about. They are all the same tribe, they can deny it all they want.
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  103. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS

    That’s because they are dogs, both them and the Croats, only dogs need masters.
     
    I guess they share the same sentiment for your tribe.
    That's, most likely, one of main reasons they don't prefer US retreating/Russia advancing.
    Your tribe could use that power shift to....how to put it politely......even the score from the last round?

    I have no use for either of them.
     
    Well, not for the moment.
    Should power shift happen, perhaps for a bit of target practice? Like last time?
    And they know it.

    Don’t play smart with me, you stupid. Don’t pretend like you know something. They are all the same tribe, whether they like it or not. The Slovenians, the Croats, and the “other” tribe that you are referring to – like you are a privy to some information that no one else knows about. They are all the same tribe, they can deny it all they want.

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    I see.

    Slovenians, Croats and your...."subtribe" perhaps....Serbs that is...they are all the same?
    An interesting thought.
    How about "Bosniaks", are they the same tribe too?

    Why all those troubles in 90s then?

    Or, this latest from the tribunal, the General who committed suicide was doing bad things to his own tribe ?
    Or, how about that guy of yours, Mladic...the same? Pulled Srebrenica against own tribe?

    Sounds weird.
    Even for Balkans.

    You sure you aren't confused here?
    Fear not, there is a fast fix for that. Why don't you call into, say, Western Herzegovina, find a Franciscan priest there and tell him you...you...believe you are all of the same tribe.
    Please find a younger and fitter man, you don't want the guy having a heart attack.

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  104. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano
    Don't play smart with me, you stupid. Don't pretend like you know something. They are all the same tribe, whether they like it or not. The Slovenians, the Croats, and the "other" tribe that you are referring to - like you are a privy to some information that no one else knows about. They are all the same tribe, they can deny it all they want.

    I see.

    Slovenians, Croats and your….”subtribe” perhaps….Serbs that is…they are all the same?
    An interesting thought.
    How about “Bosniaks”, are they the same tribe too?

    Why all those troubles in 90s then?

    Or, this latest from the tribunal, the General who committed suicide was doing bad things to his own tribe ?
    Or, how about that guy of yours, Mladic…the same? Pulled Srebrenica against own tribe?

    Sounds weird.
    Even for Balkans.

    You sure you aren’t confused here?
    Fear not, there is a fast fix for that. Why don’t you call into, say, Western Herzegovina, find a Franciscan priest there and tell him you…you…believe you are all of the same tribe.
    Please find a younger and fitter man, you don’t want the guy having a heart attack.

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    I think you got it wrong partner. Croats are a subtribe of the Serbs, not vice versa. After all, you speak their language – don’t you? If not, tell me what’s the difference between Serb and Croat language? The alphabet?

    At least the Slovenians were smart enough to develop their own language, unlike the Croats who stole it from the Serbs.

    One more thought: You’ll never get Bosnia, you neither smart enough, nor strong enough for that. You can’t even deal with the Bosnian Muslims – with whom you were “allies”. Some allies you were, the 2 of you, stabbing each other in the back all the way.

    And that moron of a general - Praljak – who just killed himself. What was the matter, he didn’t like his allies? You were supposed to be allies with the Muslims, you were getting along fabulously, only the Serbs were evil. What happened there?

    You know what they say about wanting something really bad? If you desperately want something, the Universe will conspire to make it happen. The question is do you really desperately want NDH to resurrect itself, and can you substitute US for the universe? I don’t think so. Keep wishing, you a**hole.

    By the way, if you are really in Australia, be content with it and keep quiet, don’t try to spread your phony patriotism here, you got nothing to be proud of as a Croat - least of all with that nasty little fascist statelet NDH - just be happy that you made it to Australia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia

    At the end, here is just one example of how really stupid you are:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865596/Croatian-politician-mocked-online-Hitler-moustache.html
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  105. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS
    I see.

    Slovenians, Croats and your...."subtribe" perhaps....Serbs that is...they are all the same?
    An interesting thought.
    How about "Bosniaks", are they the same tribe too?

    Why all those troubles in 90s then?

    Or, this latest from the tribunal, the General who committed suicide was doing bad things to his own tribe ?
    Or, how about that guy of yours, Mladic...the same? Pulled Srebrenica against own tribe?

    Sounds weird.
    Even for Balkans.

    You sure you aren't confused here?
    Fear not, there is a fast fix for that. Why don't you call into, say, Western Herzegovina, find a Franciscan priest there and tell him you...you...believe you are all of the same tribe.
    Please find a younger and fitter man, you don't want the guy having a heart attack.

    I think you got it wrong partner. Croats are a subtribe of the Serbs, not vice versa. After all, you speak their language – don’t you? If not, tell me what’s the difference between Serb and Croat language? The alphabet?

    At least the Slovenians were smart enough to develop their own language, unlike the Croats who stole it from the Serbs.

    One more thought: You’ll never get Bosnia, you neither smart enough, nor strong enough for that. You can’t even deal with the Bosnian Muslims – with whom you were “allies”. Some allies you were, the 2 of you, stabbing each other in the back all the way.

    And that moron of a general – Praljak – who just killed himself. What was the matter, he didn’t like his allies? You were supposed to be allies with the Muslims, you were getting along fabulously, only the Serbs were evil. What happened there?

    You know what they say about wanting something really bad? If you desperately want something, the Universe will conspire to make it happen. The question is do you really desperately want NDH to resurrect itself, and can you substitute US for the universe? I don’t think so. Keep wishing, you a**hole.

    By the way, if you are really in Australia, be content with it and keep quiet, don’t try to spread your phony patriotism here, you got nothing to be proud of as a Croat – least of all with that nasty little fascist statelet NDH – just be happy that you made it to Australia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia

    At the end, here is just one example of how really stupid you are:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865596/Croatian-politician-mocked-online-Hitler-moustache.html

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    I don't think you got the point here.

    I'll clarify: your tribe has the same attitude as your big brother Russia has in Eastern Europe.
    Russians/Rusophiles, let alone useful idiots here are more subtle (well, more or less) regarding that fact.

    That's why Eastern Europeans prefer US to Russia and always will.
    Well, except your tribe. Good.
    And that's why Russia's part has been constantly shrinking.

    You can't even see it.

    Your tribe ruled, from '45 to 91 all of former Yugoslavia. Look where are you now. And it's not over, not by a long shot. There are still some parts to be taken away.

    Russia ruled that swath of the land from East Germany to Ukraine from 91 to '14.
    Look where it is now. And it is not over.
    Nukes, advanced weaponry, whatever, won't help there as it hasn't been helping since '91. And they can't even see it. Masses, that is. People in power do see all that, of course.

    Putin and his siloviki, in particular, do see that. But they have their goal and they are good at playing it. For now.
    Of course, they'll keep sacrificing their pawns, but, then, that's what pawns are for.
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  106. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano
    I think you got it wrong partner. Croats are a subtribe of the Serbs, not vice versa. After all, you speak their language – don’t you? If not, tell me what’s the difference between Serb and Croat language? The alphabet?

    At least the Slovenians were smart enough to develop their own language, unlike the Croats who stole it from the Serbs.

    One more thought: You’ll never get Bosnia, you neither smart enough, nor strong enough for that. You can’t even deal with the Bosnian Muslims – with whom you were “allies”. Some allies you were, the 2 of you, stabbing each other in the back all the way.

    And that moron of a general - Praljak – who just killed himself. What was the matter, he didn’t like his allies? You were supposed to be allies with the Muslims, you were getting along fabulously, only the Serbs were evil. What happened there?

    You know what they say about wanting something really bad? If you desperately want something, the Universe will conspire to make it happen. The question is do you really desperately want NDH to resurrect itself, and can you substitute US for the universe? I don’t think so. Keep wishing, you a**hole.

    By the way, if you are really in Australia, be content with it and keep quiet, don’t try to spread your phony patriotism here, you got nothing to be proud of as a Croat - least of all with that nasty little fascist statelet NDH - just be happy that you made it to Australia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia

    At the end, here is just one example of how really stupid you are:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865596/Croatian-politician-mocked-online-Hitler-moustache.html

    I don’t think you got the point here.

    I’ll clarify: your tribe has the same attitude as your big brother Russia has in Eastern Europe.
    Russians/Rusophiles, let alone useful idiots here are more subtle (well, more or less) regarding that fact.

    That’s why Eastern Europeans prefer US to Russia and always will.
    Well, except your tribe. Good.
    And that’s why Russia’s part has been constantly shrinking.

    You can’t even see it.

    Your tribe ruled, from ’45 to 91 all of former Yugoslavia. Look where are you now. And it’s not over, not by a long shot. There are still some parts to be taken away.

    Russia ruled that swath of the land from East Germany to Ukraine from 91 to ’14.
    Look where it is now. And it is not over.
    Nukes, advanced weaponry, whatever, won’t help there as it hasn’t been helping since ’91. And they can’t even see it. Masses, that is. People in power do see all that, of course.

    Putin and his siloviki, in particular, do see that. But they have their goal and they are good at playing it. For now.
    Of course, they’ll keep sacrificing their pawns, but, then, that’s what pawns are for.

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    Right. You are on the march. Long live Greater Croatia. You stupid Croat monkey. With US help you'll get there, everything is going well. You are winning on all fronts. The world is with you, because you are "western". Don't ever forget that. Plus you are catholic.That's unbeatable combination.

    Why don't you try to enjoy your life there in Australia, and forget the s**thole that you came from? And what is this talk about tribe? Where are we?:In prehistoric times? If you are from a tribe, I am from advanced nation, you retard.

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  107. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS
    I don't think you got the point here.

    I'll clarify: your tribe has the same attitude as your big brother Russia has in Eastern Europe.
    Russians/Rusophiles, let alone useful idiots here are more subtle (well, more or less) regarding that fact.

    That's why Eastern Europeans prefer US to Russia and always will.
    Well, except your tribe. Good.
    And that's why Russia's part has been constantly shrinking.

    You can't even see it.

    Your tribe ruled, from '45 to 91 all of former Yugoslavia. Look where are you now. And it's not over, not by a long shot. There are still some parts to be taken away.

    Russia ruled that swath of the land from East Germany to Ukraine from 91 to '14.
    Look where it is now. And it is not over.
    Nukes, advanced weaponry, whatever, won't help there as it hasn't been helping since '91. And they can't even see it. Masses, that is. People in power do see all that, of course.

    Putin and his siloviki, in particular, do see that. But they have their goal and they are good at playing it. For now.
    Of course, they'll keep sacrificing their pawns, but, then, that's what pawns are for.

    Right. You are on the march. Long live Greater Croatia. You stupid Croat monkey. With US help you’ll get there, everything is going well. You are winning on all fronts. The world is with you, because you are “western”. Don’t ever forget that. Plus you are catholic.That’s unbeatable combination.

    Why don’t you try to enjoy your life there in Australia, and forget the s**thole that you came from? And what is this talk about tribe? Where are we?:In prehistoric times? If you are from a tribe, I am from advanced nation, you retard.

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    You still don't get it but that's O.K.

    You see....it's not about your little tribe there. That's just an example.

    It's about The Attitude.
    The same attitude your Big Brother has.

    Condescending at best. Genocidal at worst.

    Look where it got you.

    It's not about other sides winning. That's easy with such opponents.
    It's about your side losing and not learning from mistakes.
    Just about repeating those mistakes again and again.
    Both externally and much more importantly, internally.

    The Attitude.

    Good, actually.
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  108. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano
    Right. You are on the march. Long live Greater Croatia. You stupid Croat monkey. With US help you'll get there, everything is going well. You are winning on all fronts. The world is with you, because you are "western". Don't ever forget that. Plus you are catholic.That's unbeatable combination.

    Why don't you try to enjoy your life there in Australia, and forget the s**thole that you came from? And what is this talk about tribe? Where are we?:In prehistoric times? If you are from a tribe, I am from advanced nation, you retard.

    You still don’t get it but that’s O.K.

    You see….it’s not about your little tribe there. That’s just an example.

    It’s about The Attitude.
    The same attitude your Big Brother has.

    Condescending at best. Genocidal at worst.

    Look where it got you.

    It’s not about other sides winning. That’s easy with such opponents.
    It’s about your side losing and not learning from mistakes.
    Just about repeating those mistakes again and again.
    Both externally and much more importantly, internally.

    The Attitude.

    Good, actually.

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    Yes, you are on top of the world. Look at that little s**thole called Croatia. Member of NATO, EU, you really are a winners. For how long? Take one long hard look at your stupid tribe and don't worry about me - I have a nation. And don't talk to me about attitude, and Genocide, you evil monkeys managed to make even the Germans faint when they visited your house of horrors in Jasenovac. You'll talk to me about Genocide? You genocidal monkey. That's why you are so bold, because you never paid for your crimes. And now you pretend you are civilized? That part about the tribe - you got that right, go back to your tribe and find a jungle where you belong, you nazi swine.
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  109. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS
    You still don't get it but that's O.K.

    You see....it's not about your little tribe there. That's just an example.

    It's about The Attitude.
    The same attitude your Big Brother has.

    Condescending at best. Genocidal at worst.

    Look where it got you.

    It's not about other sides winning. That's easy with such opponents.
    It's about your side losing and not learning from mistakes.
    Just about repeating those mistakes again and again.
    Both externally and much more importantly, internally.

    The Attitude.

    Good, actually.

    Yes, you are on top of the world. Look at that little s**thole called Croatia. Member of NATO, EU, you really are a winners. For how long? Take one long hard look at your stupid tribe and don’t worry about me – I have a nation. And don’t talk to me about attitude, and Genocide, you evil monkeys managed to make even the Germans faint when they visited your house of horrors in Jasenovac. You’ll talk to me about Genocide? You genocidal monkey. That’s why you are so bold, because you never paid for your crimes. And now you pretend you are civilized? That part about the tribe – you got that right, go back to your tribe and find a jungle where you belong, you nazi swine.

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    Cyrano, I did not read your discussion with this obnoxious semi-literate troll. I am sure that you are totally wasting your time discussing history with such. But I would like to remind you that Croatia, as a Nazi-Axis country, had at least one division on the Eastern Front, killing Russians. To my knowledge, the Russians never killed Croatians in Croatia. Therefore, the debt between the Croatians and the Russians is purely one way.
    , @peterAUS
    Thank you for helping me make my point here.

    To reiterate: some small countries on that tectonic line between superpowers prefer one or another superpower.
    They don't like it much, but, they do prefer it to the other player.
    For example, Serbs prefer Russia, Croats US. Most of ex-Warsaw pact countries prefer US too, with Western Ukraine as well.

    At the moment US is ruling over bunch of those "little ones" in Europe. Including Serbia I believe but I could be wrong. For example, not quite sure whose soldiers can drive around in their uniforms and vehicles in Belgrade, Americans or Russians. Perhaps you could help there?

    One of reasons is, as you pointed out:

    That’s why you are so bold, because you never paid for your crimes.
     
    is a concern of, say, "evening the scores". Nobody would want camps and such.

    Speaking of which, didn't the same things happen, on more civilized scale than WW2 type in Balkans in 90s?
    Didn't your tribe do quite well in that department (establishing camps, mass executions and such)?
    Not that other tribes didn't do the same, of course, perhaps on a smaller scale (not for a lack of trying but, more likely, for lacking the means).

    As another poster here said below:

    Therefore, the debt between the Croatians and the Russians is purely one way.
     
    With weak US and strong Russia Croats, for example, could expect certain...troubles.........
    You know, "paying for crimes" and such.

    I guess other countries, from Baltics to Bulgaria could have similar concerns.
    Just an idea.
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  110. Kiza says:
    @Anonymous
    Don't put a question mark ; Fair ?
    I'm going to respond.
    Define constructive

    It appears that you are in a dire need of a dictionary, to find out what “constructive” means. I cannot help you much there. Or perhaps, try searching for the meaning of the word online.

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  111. Kiza says:
    @Cyrano
    Yes, you are on top of the world. Look at that little s**thole called Croatia. Member of NATO, EU, you really are a winners. For how long? Take one long hard look at your stupid tribe and don't worry about me - I have a nation. And don't talk to me about attitude, and Genocide, you evil monkeys managed to make even the Germans faint when they visited your house of horrors in Jasenovac. You'll talk to me about Genocide? You genocidal monkey. That's why you are so bold, because you never paid for your crimes. And now you pretend you are civilized? That part about the tribe - you got that right, go back to your tribe and find a jungle where you belong, you nazi swine.

    Cyrano, I did not read your discussion with this obnoxious semi-literate troll. I am sure that you are totally wasting your time discussing history with such. But I would like to remind you that Croatia, as a Nazi-Axis country, had at least one division on the Eastern Front, killing Russians. To my knowledge, the Russians never killed Croatians in Croatia. Therefore, the debt between the Croatians and the Russians is purely one way.

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  112. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano
    Yes, you are on top of the world. Look at that little s**thole called Croatia. Member of NATO, EU, you really are a winners. For how long? Take one long hard look at your stupid tribe and don't worry about me - I have a nation. And don't talk to me about attitude, and Genocide, you evil monkeys managed to make even the Germans faint when they visited your house of horrors in Jasenovac. You'll talk to me about Genocide? You genocidal monkey. That's why you are so bold, because you never paid for your crimes. And now you pretend you are civilized? That part about the tribe - you got that right, go back to your tribe and find a jungle where you belong, you nazi swine.

    Thank you for helping me make my point here.

    To reiterate: some small countries on that tectonic line between superpowers prefer one or another superpower.
    They don’t like it much, but, they do prefer it to the other player.
    For example, Serbs prefer Russia, Croats US. Most of ex-Warsaw pact countries prefer US too, with Western Ukraine as well.

    At the moment US is ruling over bunch of those “little ones” in Europe. Including Serbia I believe but I could be wrong. For example, not quite sure whose soldiers can drive around in their uniforms and vehicles in Belgrade, Americans or Russians. Perhaps you could help there?

    One of reasons is, as you pointed out:

    That’s why you are so bold, because you never paid for your crimes.

    is a concern of, say, “evening the scores”. Nobody would want camps and such.

    Speaking of which, didn’t the same things happen, on more civilized scale than WW2 type in Balkans in 90s?
    Didn’t your tribe do quite well in that department (establishing camps, mass executions and such)?
    Not that other tribes didn’t do the same, of course, perhaps on a smaller scale (not for a lack of trying but, more likely, for lacking the means).

    As another poster here said below:

    Therefore, the debt between the Croatians and the Russians is purely one way.

    With weak US and strong Russia Croats, for example, could expect certain…troubles………
    You know, “paying for crimes” and such.

    I guess other countries, from Baltics to Bulgaria could have similar concerns.
    Just an idea.

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  113. Che Guava says:
    @anonymous

    Also, a lot of people think that Islam is a backward religion.
     
    That they do, don't they!

    Please note that I am not addressing this message to you, but just generally to anyone who subscribes to that notion.

    Any talk of Islam being backward, forward, left, right, up or down, is simply irrelevant to us believers... even though I concede extremism is a major problem, but a problem not at all unique to our faith.

    The only idea of primary importance on a spiritual level, which for a fervent theist is everything, is, True Monotheism on the one side & Polytheism\PseudoMonotheism on the other.

    It is this very fact which pricks the eye of Islamophobes. Try as they might, they are unable to shake Islam's true monotheistic beliefs.

    If remaining True Monotheist means remaining "backward," we take pride in our backwardness.

    Peace to you.

    It is amusing to seeing you, Talha, to posting as Anonymous for this little sermon.

    Fact is, your ‘prophet’ was an illiterate schizophrenic, spreading the ‘faith’ as the leader of a gang of pirates, rapists, thieves, and murderers in his own lifetime.

    That is the truly unique thing about Islam.

    The only close comparison I can thinking of is Morons, early, but they have mainly left their sordid and murderous behaviour, and some insane delusions, aside since setting up in Utah.

    Thanks to the ‘keepers of the mosques’ and their oil money, places where Moslems were a fraction less insane, now are not.

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  114. Svigor says:

    It’s “Felix Dzerzhinsky.”

    Unlike so many other anti-Soviet activists who were also Russophobes, I never conflated my people and the regime which oppressed them.

    I’m not a Russophobe, but clearly ethnic Russians share a lot of the historical guilt for that oppressive system. The Soviet Jews and other non-Russian ethnics didn’t turn half of Europe into a jail all by themselves. A certain degree of conflation is justified.

    I’m not very impressed with the post-Soviet Russians’ track record in prosecuting Soviet criminals, either. In fact, I can’t recall ever reading about any such activity.

    East Germany was not only reunified but instantly incorporated into West Germany and NATO pushed as far East as possible.

    I don’t have much sympathy for Russians on this score. This is what happens when you create the worlds longest-lived communist regime, the second most murderous in history, and turn half of Europe into a jail. Zero Fucks Given. In fact, I’m more sympathetic to the “just desserts” argument, on this score.

    I could not pretend that all this could be explained by some fear of the Soviet military or by a reaction to the Communist theory of world revolution. In truth, it became clear to me that the western elites did not hate the Soviet system or ideology, but that they hated Russian people themselves and the culture and civilization which they had created.

    On the contrary, Russophobia seems to have been dramatically exacerbated by the fall of communism. The communists (AKA leftists, AKA liberals, etc.) in the west preferred Soviet Russia.

    A large portion of the hate Russia crowd were previously fellow travelers who had a soft spot for the Soviet Union.

    This. When the communism was gone, so was their sympathy, leaving only their underlying Russophobia.

    “Besides, the Empire does not care whether we are “Red” or “White” – the Empire wants us all either enslaved or dead.”

    It’s the same with black and white Americans. The race war is for suckers. It’s not the color of your skin. It’s the color of your pill.

    The “race war” is a White Civil War. NAMs are props. Expecting to make common cause with them is stupid.

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  115. Svigor says:

    WorkingClass and his stale class struggle thing remind me of Jews who plead with Blacks, “But I’m Jewish! We’re goodwhites! Not even White, really!”

    Yeah, that’ll work.

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  116. Svigor says:

    Right. And the land of the free houses highest prison population in the world. Plus another few million free people living on the street. Wonderful freedom. Go f**k yourself, you moron.

    An inevitable result of the presence of NAMs in a country populated largely by Western Europeans. The Soviets, on the other hand, turned half of Europe into one big jail. Murdered tens of millions of their own people. Attempts at moral equivalency are laughable.

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  117. Svigor says:

    Any talk of Islam being backward, forward, left, right, up or down, is simply irrelevant to us believers… even though I concede extremism is a major problem, but a problem not at all unique to our faith.

    The degree of the problem seems absolutely unique to your faith.

    How low can Hasbara go?

    As low as necessary.

    When the neo-Nazis go low we do not handicap ourselves; we can go low or high, whichever is advantageous.

    Jewry pretty much starts in the gutter, and stays there, regardless.

    Lots of wishful thinking involved there, partner. I think you are dead wrong on this one. One of the big advantages that Russia has over countries, like US, France, Germany, pretty much all colonial powers, especially GB is this: Russia has never treated any of the minorities within their borders worse than they have treated themselves. As far as I know, the majority of the Gulag population were ethnic Russians, as opposed to the inhabitants of the concentration camps who were definitely not of the same ethnicity as those who put them there. And also, the colonial powers never treated the inhabitants of their colonies as equals – that’s why there was no love lost between them when it all ended. Minorities in Russia today receive far better treatment than the phony “multiculturalism” in the west can ever muster. In fact, they are not treated as minorities – they are treated as Russians.

    Commies always eat their own, nothing new there, however, trying to make it into a virtue is new to me. That Nationalism directs its aggression outward is a selling point as far as I’m concerned.

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    Commies always eat their own, nothing new there, however, trying to make it into a virtue is new to me. That Nationalism directs its aggression outward is a selling point as far as I’m concerned.
     
    You talking to me? You talking to me? Well, I am the only one here.

    I don’t think you understood anything. The point that I was trying to make is that the minorities in Russia were treated equally with the Russians. Which never in a million years can be said about the minorities in Germany in the 1930’s.

    They never got the same treatment as the Germans. Ask the Jews. And how is that an “outward aggression”?

    I can see that this discussion is not only taxing your brain, but ubering it as well. Go take a nap, son, it might do you some good.
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  118. @yurivku
    Seems that u know alot abour Russia. Can u explain why its still exists after several hundreds, no, thouthands of years? Your wet dreams of our dividing still in the thin air but even people like u should guard theirs ass. This time it coud be affected ...

    Circassians anyone? At the same time but on a larger scale than the Trail of Tears.

    The Trail of Tears was a US ethnic cleansing, not a British one. The US rebelled against Britain in order to take Native American land. There was a British law forbidding it, except by agreement between the Tribal Councils and the British governors.

    Oh, and where are the Volga Germans now? Or the Crimean Tatars?

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  119. @yurivku
    Below is a definition of a troll. It 's fit u. But short answer is - we worked and we did it, Russian empinre. And what is important every litle nation still live where it used to. On the contrary remember American Indians

    You are wrong about the American Indians and the British. Under British law, they owned the land, the US changed the law to give the US federal government the land which it then distributed to US citizens who did not include the Indians. The Indians changed from owners to “occupiers”.

    Australia is a different case. Cook found no inhabitants so he declared it “Terra Nullis”, unoccupied land. By the time it was clear that the Aborigines were there the settlers were not interested in changing their status. But, unlike Russia in the Far East, there were never any orders given to exterminate a people. For example, Elizabeth ordered the extermination of the Chuckchi. Half of them were killed. The other half destroyed the Russian army sent to finish the job. Russians worked hard at invasion. Britain worked hard at trade. The story of Yermakov and Siberia starts with conquest. The East Indian company was in Indian for 126 years before a shot was fired.

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  120. Cyrano says:
    @Svigor

    Any talk of Islam being backward, forward, left, right, up or down, is simply irrelevant to us believers… even though I concede extremism is a major problem, but a problem not at all unique to our faith.
     
    The degree of the problem seems absolutely unique to your faith.

    How low can Hasbara go?

    As low as necessary.

    When the neo-Nazis go low we do not handicap ourselves; we can go low or high, whichever is advantageous.

     

    Jewry pretty much starts in the gutter, and stays there, regardless.

    Lots of wishful thinking involved there, partner. I think you are dead wrong on this one. One of the big advantages that Russia has over countries, like US, France, Germany, pretty much all colonial powers, especially GB is this: Russia has never treated any of the minorities within their borders worse than they have treated themselves. As far as I know, the majority of the Gulag population were ethnic Russians, as opposed to the inhabitants of the concentration camps who were definitely not of the same ethnicity as those who put them there. And also, the colonial powers never treated the inhabitants of their colonies as equals – that’s why there was no love lost between them when it all ended. Minorities in Russia today receive far better treatment than the phony “multiculturalism” in the west can ever muster. In fact, they are not treated as minorities – they are treated as Russians.
     
    Commies always eat their own, nothing new there, however, trying to make it into a virtue is new to me. That Nationalism directs its aggression outward is a selling point as far as I'm concerned.

    Commies always eat their own, nothing new there, however, trying to make it into a virtue is new to me. That Nationalism directs its aggression outward is a selling point as far as I’m concerned.

    You talking to me? You talking to me? Well, I am the only one here.

    I don’t think you understood anything. The point that I was trying to make is that the minorities in Russia were treated equally with the Russians. Which never in a million years can be said about the minorities in Germany in the 1930’s.

    They never got the same treatment as the Germans. Ask the Jews. And how is that an “outward aggression”?

    I can see that this discussion is not only taxing your brain, but ubering it as well. Go take a nap, son, it might do you some good.

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