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When I think of the recent developments in the USA (Dallas shooting, Orlando shooting) and Europe (Nice, murdered priest, Germany shooting) I get this unpleasant feeling that something is not quite right. For one thing, the perpetrators are absolutely ridiculous: pseudo-Muslims who turn out to be drinking homosexuals, ex-patients of mental institutions – the kind of people I call “overnight Muslims”: they all make darn sure to say Allahu Akbar a number of times, but other than that, they have no sign of Islam at all. In fact, far from being trained Daesh fighters, they are all losers with weak personalities. Exactly the kind of people the special services (and religious sects) like to prey upon because they are weak and easy to manipulate. Oh yes, I know, the good folk a Daesh do end up claiming that the perpetrator is one of them, but that really proves nothing (except maybe that Daesh is desperate to increase its notoriety).

I have no proof of that, of course, but I am getting the very strong feeling that somebody is putting a great deal of effort to scare the bejesus out of the TV-watching crowd. But why? Why would anybody go to the effort to create a completely fictional threat?

And should we really dismiss all the innumerable witnesses who speak of “more than one shooter”? What about the absolutely ridiculous police “overkill” when hundreds of policemen are sent in to deal with one single shooter. Does that not strike you as odd? Am I the only one with the feeling that what is shown to us is a carefully choreographed show?

Then there is the canard about the Islamic threat. Okay, it is true that all these Islamo-terrorists told the cops, and anybody else willing to listen, that they are killing infidels for the greater glory of God. That reminds me of the passports helpfully found in NY on 9/11 (and at the Charlie-Hebdo attacks) or how the alleged Islamic-terrorists of 9/11 left copies of the Quran in the bars were they were getting “lap dances”. The problem with all that nonsense is that there is exactly zero real evidence that any of these terrorists had any real Islamic education or beliefs. Besides, even if every single one of them turned out to be a deeply religious and pious Muslim, that would hardly prove anything. The IRA was “Roman Catholic” and yet nobody spoke of a “Catholic threat”. True, there is a very real threat to the entire Middle-East from the Daesh crazies (yes, the very same ones whom the US wants the Russians to stop bombing), but there is no evidence whatsoever of any real subordination/coordination between the Takfiris in the Middle-East and the perpetrators of the recent mass murders in the USA and Europe.

The cui bono, of course, immediately points to those interests who desperately want the prop-up the shaky “Islamic threat” myth: the Zionists, of course, but also the Neocon elites in the USA and the EU.

Think of it: their great hope was that Russia would “invade” the Donbass (or, even better, the entire Ukraine) against the Nazi crazies in the Neocons put in power in Kiev. Such a Russian move would have been used as a “proof” that the evil revanchist Russkies are about to rebuild the Soviet Union, invade Eastern Europe and maybe even drive their tanks to the English channel. And if enough people would buy the “Russian threat” theory, they would also have to accept larger military budgets (to further fatten the US MIC) and more US forces deployed in Eastern Europe (where they would provide a much needed, and sometimes only, source of income). Then all the internal problems of Europe could be blamed on, or at least eclipsed by, the Russian threat (in the “Putin wants a Brexit” style). But that irritating Putin did not take the bait and now Europe is stuck without a credible threat with which to terrorize people. NATO, of course, and its prostitute-colonies in the Baltics and Poland, likes to pretend that a Russian invasion is imminent, but nobody really believes this. According to some polls, even the people in the Baltics are dubious about the reality of a Russian threat (forget Poland: a country with a national hero like Pilsudski is a hopeless case).

But then, almost at the same moment when the Neocons came to realize that the Russians were not taking the bait, the steady flow of refugees coming from the Middle-East and Africa suddenly sharply increased, courtesy of the mayhem and chaos created by the Neocon policies in the Middle-East. How long do you think it took the rulers of the Empire to realize the fantastic opportunity this influx of refugees had just created for them?

First, this wave of refugees creates a series of major social problems which all could be used to provide distractions from the massive credibility crisis and economic woes of the EU. No matter how bad the economic indicators are, you can always “hide them” behind a headline like “Refugee rapes 79yo woman at German cemetery” (true case, just click on the link to see for yourself).

Second, just at the time when the ruling comprador elites of the EU are threatened by popular discontent, the refugee crisis creates the perfect pretext to adopt emergency legislation and, possibly, introduce martial law.

Third, the worse the crisis in Europe becomes, the better it is for the US Dollar which becomes the safe(r) currency to run to.

Fourth the more military units, as opposed to regular police forces, are deployed in Europe, the more the Europeans will get used to the notion that “only the military can protect us”.

Fifth, if, at the end of the day, the EU really tanks and riots, uprisings and chaos spread – guess who will show up to “save Europe yet again”? That’s right – Uncle Sam and NATO. Pretty good for an otherwise illegitimate leftover from the Cold War, no?

ORDER IT NOW

Ideally, the European population should become polarized between, on one hand, those who pretend they like the refugees are no problem at all, and those who blame everything on them. The more polarized the society becomes, the more there will be a “need” to keep law and order.

Does that all look familiar to you?

Yes, of course, this is also exactly what is happening in the USA with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement.

While there are plenty of immigrants in the USA, they are mostly Hispanics and Asians who adapt rather well to US society. The good news for the US “deep state” is that Blacks in the USA can very much accomplish the same function as the refugees do in Europe: they are a vocal, mostly deeply alienated minority, with a great deal of pent-up anger against the rest of society which can very easily be set-off to create riots and commit crimes. It is also rather easy to find a few crazies amongst these Blacks to start murdering policemen (the ideal symbol of the oppressive White establishment) and create a sense of crisis acute enough to justify the use of police, National Guard and, potentially, military forces to restore and uphold “law and order”.

Is it really a coincidence that the US Presidential elections features two extremely polarizing figures like Hillary and Trump and that low-levels of violence have already been triggered by the hysterically anti-Trump propaganda of the US corporate media? Just imagine for one second what could happen in the USA if a “lone gunman” was to kill either Hillary or Trump? The society would literally explode and law and order would have to be “restored”.

The modalities might be different, but in both the EU and the USA we now see heavily armed and generally militarized forces in the streets to “protect” us from some exotic and scary threat.

Might that have something to do with the fact that the ruling elites are absolutely hated by the vast majority of Europeans and Americans? Of course it does!

I am convinced that what is taking place is the gradual suppression of the civil society under the pretext of protecting it – us – from some very scary threat. I am also convinced that part of this plan is to polarize our society as much as possible to create civil strife and to hide the real systemic and structural problems of our completely dysfunctional society and discredited and illegitimate political order.

The panem et circenses (bread and games) only works in a society capable of providing enough wealth to its people to enjoy them. But when an Empire is agonized, when its military cannot win wars anymore, when its leader is being ridiculed, when its currency is being gradually weakened and even replaced and when its power is not feared anymore, then the Empire becomes unable to provide the minimal conditions needed to keep its subjects quiet and obedient. At this point the choice becomes simple: either find an external enemy or, at least, identify an internal one. This time around, the AngloZionist found what they think is the perfect combo: a diffuse/vague external threat (Islam) and an easily identifiable internal “carrier” threat (refugees in Europe, Blacks in the USA). The fact that the US government has been planning for various kind of emergency rule or martial law situations for years is not much of a secret (see: National Security Presidential Directive 51 and National Continuity Policy Implementation Plan or Rex84 ) but now there is also evidence that the Germans are also planning for it. In fact, we can be confident that they are all doing it right now as we speak.

The last time around, when the Empire felt the need to regain control over Europe and prevent the election of anti-US political parties to power they engaged in the notorious GLADIO false flag campaign to neutralize the “Communist threat” (see full documentary here). It appears that the same people are doing the same thing again, but this time against the putative “Islamic threat”. And just to make sure that the common people really freak out, it appears that the AngloZionists have settled on a rather counter-intuitive plan:

1) officially (politicians) condemn any anti-Islamic rhetoric

2) unofficially (media, public figures) warn of an threat of Islamic extremism

3) take some highly visible but totally useless measures (TSA, anti-terror training) to prepare for an Islamic attack

4) covertly but actively foster and support Daesh-like Takfirism in the Middle-East and oppose and subvert those who, like the Russians, the Iranians and the Syrian, really fight it on a daily basis.

What does such an apparently illogical and self-defeating plan achieve? Simple! It maximizes fear and polarizes society.

That kind of artificial polarization is nothing new. For example, this is why those who hate Obama call him a socialist (or even a communist) while those who hate Trump call him a fascist (when in reality both Obama and Trump are just the figureheads of different capitalist factions of the same 1% elite).

What our imperial overlords really want is for us to either fight each other or, at least, fight windmills. Look at the American public – it is totally obsessed with non-issues like homosexual marriage, gun control vs “active shooters”, Black Lives Matter vs cops, and the time tested pro-life vs anti-abortion protests. To some minority of Americans these issues do matter, I suppose, but for the vast majority of Americans these are total non-issue, meaningless crap which does not affect them in any way other than through the corporate media. This really reminds me of the Titanic’s orchestra playing while the ship was sinking: the Empire is cracking at all its seams, there is a very real chance of a nuclear war with Russia and we are seriously discussing whether trannies should pee in male or female toilets when in the Target store. This is crazy, of course, but this is hardly coincidental. This is how our leaders want us: terrified, confused and, above all, distracted.

Frankly, I am pessimistic for the near to mid-term future. When I see how easily the “Islamic threat” canard has been bought not only by official propagandists but even by otherwise mostly rational and educated people, I see that 9/11 has taught us very little. Just like a bull in a bullfight we are still willing to go after any red rag put before our noses regardless of who is actually holding that rag or actually making us bleed.

The good news is that regardless of our gullible passivity the Empire is coming down, maybe not as fast as some of us would wish, but fast enough to really worry our rulers. Look at the Israelis – they have already read the writing on the wall and are now in the process of changing patrons, hence their newfound big friendship with Russia – a marriage of convenience for both sides, entered into with both sides holding their noses. Ditto for Erdogan who has apparently decided that neither the EU nor the US could be considered reliable protectors. Even the Saudis have tried, however clumsily and crudely, to get the Russians on their side.

For the time being the “Islamic threat” show will continue, as will the “active shooters”, Black Lives Matter and all the rest of the program brought to us by the Empire. False flags will contiune to flutter in great numbers in the Empire’s hot air.

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As usual The Saker defends atrocity committed by Muslims. Remember his article where refugee epidemic of rape is actually the German women’s fault for being so slutty? No, Muslims never have any self will and any act of terrorism they do is always due to some false flag.

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    Tamaki you don't recognize what the article was saying.
    , @Rehmat
    Pitty, The Saker never defended Israeli Jews accused of stealing human organs.

    On Friday, Israel foreign ministry and European Jewish organization slammed German university HAWK for teaching students that Israeli Jews steal human organs from dead Palestinians.

    In fact, Israeli Jews have been caught in human harvesting industry in several countries around the world. Israel, in the past, been a center of human organ trafficking operation around the world. Israeli doctors have been caught in this billion dollar trade in Haiti, Madagascar, Kosva, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Chad, Nepal, and even in United States.

    Last year, Israel claimed a FATWA from ISIS Caliph Al-Baghdai, the French Jew, that stealing body parts of dead enemies is quite kosher.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/05/23/israelis-caught-in-organ-harvesting-again/
    , @DDearborn
    Hmmm

    In reality looking back over the last 15 years the "Muslims" have hardly killed anybody (on their own) The US and its "allies" have killed literally millions of civilians which by an amazing coincidence are Christians and Muslims. Nary a Jew killed anywhere in the world. Not on 9-11 (where 4000 failed to show up for work that day) not throughout all the "wars" (invasions) by the "allies" and nary a one killed in all the so called "terrorist" attacks which always, always popped up at the most opportune times for Israel and/or the US. (4 major mass shootings in the US occurred right before or during the vote on gun control legislation in the US) (time after time, so called "Palestinian rocket attacks" were launched just prior to pre-planned Israeli attacks on Gaza)
    And of course the physical evidence that nearly all of these so called attacks were in fact false flags continues to mount by the day.

    The enemy isn't Islam or radicalized Muslims sick and tired of being invaded and bombed right off the planet. The enemy is zionism. And the legions of dual citizen Americans that proliferate through out American government at all levels are the agents carrying the war to America. Israel which is in the grips of fanatical hard right war mongering wack jobs who masquerade as Orthodox Jews are the real threat not just to the Western World, but humanity in general.
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  2. Saker, you’re pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn’t matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don’t exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

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    "Saker, you’re pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn’t matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don’t exist."

    So why are you reading this stuff? I don't go to places which publish what i consider to be lies or drivel. You won't find any comments by me on Fox news for example, life is just too short. So what are you doing here? money too good to resist? and while we are about it most of what you are saying is just lies and drivel (Russia invading Crimea and Donbass indeed)
    , @Begemot
    Quartermaster - Putin is a Soviet Revanchist? Then why is Georgia still an independent country? In the 2008 war with Georgia the Russians broke the Georgian military and the road to Tbilisi was open. Georgia was theirs for the taking. But the Russians left and Georgia is still an American client state. This fact contradicts your assertion about Russian and Putin's goals.
    , @R
    It is you who is pathetic and ignorant. The staff of the Russian army do not carry IDs of any sort let alone passports. Captured Russians by the Ukraine are Russians and members of the 70% Russian population of U kraine.
    , @Hunsdon
    I'd sure appreciate it if you could provide a link to Putin saying that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. It can be in Russian if you'd like, my reading is a little slow in Russian but I can get there.
    , @Krollchem
    Could you provide some links for us poor uninformed souls? Otherwise your blabber is a waste of space on this forum. We are here to learn...
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    If Ukraine had been invaded by Russia, in reality as opposed to your demented Gog & Magog fantasies, the Maidanist scum would have been driven out in a couple of weeks.
    , @Jatz07
    Obviously you're not in Crimea like my wife who returns for a holiday every year to her apartment. 20.000 Russian troops were already in Crimea, no need to bring anymore in. Yea we all know Valeriy Heletey using Facebook of all things claimed Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons. Oh piffle.
    , @Anonymous
    Quartermaster is not paying attention....instead he/she is locked into MSM lies and propaganda. Saker's point is that all these atrocities that are taking place have the smell of false flag...in fact lets just come out and say it...these are false flag operations designed to plant fear in the population so that the weak and feeble minded citizens who don't pay attention will throw up their hands and plead for more security thus playing into the hands of the sick elitist so who wish to control the global population. Quartermaster has no idea what he is talking about regarding Russia/Ukraine/Donbass...again he/she has been sucked in to the propaganda which is designed to paint Putin as an evil dictator in order to justify WW3...WW3 is required in order to make money, cover up the criminal activities of these sick people and to redraw boundaries to suit their global domination agenda. We are talking about very sick devil worshipping psychopaths who don't care who they kill and maim...
    , @Randal

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.
     
    Like Hunsdon and Krollchem, I'd love to see some actual evidence of Putin saying this. It's often asserted by those pushing the mendacious "Russia as new 1930s Germany" line, but I've never yet seen it backed up.

    The idea that Putin actually wants to militarily occupy (which is what it would amount to) places like western Ukraine, the sunni muslim former Soviet states of central Asia (sunni jihadist factories, basically), and even more of the Caucasus snake pit, seems ludicrous on its face. Putin might be many things, but nobody honest accuses him of being stupid. Yes, I'm sure he wants these places within the Russian sphere, just as the US is trying to bring them within its own sphere, but that's a very different thing, and not anything we need to be concerned about.
    , @Anonymous
    Quartermaster;
    Yours is a typical NeoCon response. Heavy on ad hominem and light on facts.
    The people of Donbas are no fools. They know a US backed coup when they see one, and being a predominately Russian speaking society, they naturally asked for Russian help.
    The Crimea was always a part of Russia until 1955 when Soviet Premier Nikita Khruschev (a Ukrainian) gave it to Ukraine during a fit of alcoholic benevolence.
    You state, "the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain".
    Which public domain are you talking about - CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, BBC etc?
    I would suggest that you broaden your sources of information.
    With regard to your view of the Muslim threat - any Middle Eastern looking person (notably Israelis) can claim to be a Muslim, shout "God is Great" and then gun down a crowd of innocent people. As we know from Operation Gladio during the 80's, the Red Brigades were working for NATO, keeping European politicians in line with Washington DC.
    All this ISIS/Daesh business is no different. Like the Romans, we create our own bogeymen to give us an excuse to wage war and plunder the wealth of nations.
    Time to get back aboard your ship. Give my regards to the XO.
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  3. What Saker writes resonates with me. The notion of Putin’s Russia being revanchist is risible and preposterous. In any case, the Crimea has historically belonged to Russia.

    Likewise, with the “Islamic threat” — that it has been engineered by Western ruling classes is eminently plausible.

    The empire is going down the toilet.

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  4. utu says:

    Who benefits? Releasing the wave of refugees was not a spontaneous phenomenon. Who paid for the trip, provided logistics and organized young men into marching groups recruiting them in camps in Turkey? Why do you think Trump knew to bring immigration issue into the forefront already in June 2015 before anybody knew that there will be a major refugee crisis in Europe? Why Orban of Hungary started building the fence ahead of time? The refugee wave attack was the third attempt by the usual suspects to bring Europeans together against Syria. The first was the poisonous gas in 2013 and the second was rolling out the Islamic State in winter 2014. But they did not work! The usual suspects did not get the no-fly zone in Syria and Assad did not get Gaddafi treatment. The usual suspects were in hurry because Russia was already preparing to move to Syria. They wanted to get a resolution for a no-fly zone in Syria and get confrontation in Syria with Iranian troops to derail the agreement that Obama worked out with Iran. But Merkel saved the situation by temporarily defusing the crisis by welcoming the refugees. It was a perfect application of Aikido. The force of the attack went into vacuum. And Putin moved in.

    False flag attacks became a big business and there are many contractors who can organize it for any state or against any state. Israel was the first country that mastered this new weapon. They have the know how. There are many benefits of terrorist attacks. Sometimes contradictory. They create fear and confusion among people and always send a message bad Arabs and Islam and good Israel and Jews. In France they can beef up the police state so they can fight the resistance to the neoliberal economic transition they are going through. They need France to get engaged in Syria. But Paris, November 2015 unintentionally brought France closer to Russia. This was not desired. So the shooting down of Su-24 by Nato member was arranged. All Nato countries had to close the ranks including France so her flirt with Russia was nipped in the bud. Attacks in Germany are clearly to undermine Merkel. Germany cannot be trusted and she is too powerful to the liking of the Zio-Anglo-Americans. Besides Europeans and Germans and French, in particular, are still way too sympathetic to Palestinians. So New Right has to be built up on fears of immigrants and Arab and Islam phobia. This New Right is pro Israel because Israel is a shining example of how to deal with Arabs and Islam. The New Right was defined by Breivik. The New Right will help to dismantle the welfare state. This is what neoliberals want. Brexit was the part of it. Zio-Anglo-Americans have a different plan for the world and they do not see Germany in it or at least Germany in its current shape and form. They always fear the possibility of Germany following the dictum of Bismarck: “The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia.”

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    You made some interesting and convincing points. Even if we make allowance for Libya not having a government to control its borders, it is still clear that these waves of thousands of immigrants are far from normal or spontaneous. Someone must be organizing. Also you made a point that the Hungarian Prime minster built the wall ahead of time. That is also very curious and fishy. The antagonism created against the refugees is so powerful as we can see from how the media dealt with the Hungarian policies toward refugees. Viktor Orban was not portrayed as a cruel and inhuman for leaving thousands of refugees drenched and hungry in no man’s land. Rather he is billed as the man who stood up for Europe! This false media portrayal gave Viktor Orban wrong ideas about his capacity that he started lecturing the European Union, an organization his country was allowed to join not that long ago. This positive portrayal of Hungary and its leadership created a domino effect where all Balkan states followed the Hungarian footsteps. Had the media attacked Viktor Orban for being cruel, he would have dismantled his walls, and no other country in the Balkans or elsewhere would have built a wall. Period. You are absolutely right about Brexit being part of this game. The British people were manipulated into leaving the EU. For example, nearly all the major British papers, and certainly all Rupert Murdoch’s media organs were wildly urging the public to leave the EU. This means Murdock and Co. do not want peaceful, united Europe with open borders. Rather they see fragmented, conflict-ridden Europe, where each country is at the throat of its neighbours as the good old days.

    Lastly, just in case you haven’t seen it, I would like to share with you, the Saker and all the readers interested in these issues an interesting piece titled “Jewish Self-destruction” also dealing with false flags, posted by someone using Thomas77 posted under Pat Buchanan’s article Philadelphia Vs Cleveland. I copied it below. It is comment #17, if you want to look the original post. Take a look.

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    July 30, 2016 at 6:58 am GMT • 800 Words

    Jewish Self-Destruction:

    The notion of the Jews being smart or intelligent doesn’t stand up to critical scrutiny. Being good at deception and swindling is one thing. However, failing to learn from history; cutting down the very branch you are sitting on; camping your family and children on the rails of an incoming train; blowing up America’s landmarks on a broad daylight; running down American citizens on bulldozers in front of the whole world; and still nonchalantly going about the business of running and ruling America, as if nothing has happened at all; and most idiotically, tying the fate of your entire Empire with all its banks and media networks on terror attacks and false-flag operations against America and Europe –attacks that everybody knows Israel is behind them—are no signs of intelligence, but of sheer stupidity!

    Powerful Jews in America are fully aware of this dirty war, and the false-flag operations that Israel is waging against America and Europe, but they do not stop them. Instead, they cover up Israel’s tracks, and use their powerful media tools to make the blame, always, stick on those hapless Muslims. Why is Israel doing this? In one word, it is the fear of democracy. That is, fear of democracy both in the Muslim World and in the West. In democracy numbers count. Even though Muslims do not control the big banks or large media organizations, they have one card that counts in democracy: the numbers. If Muslims, who displaced the Jews long ago as the second largest group after the Christians in every western country, are allowed to live in peace in the west, Israel will start facing a nightmare scenario: every western politician running for office will find an irresistible temptation to do the right thing, and stand up for justice, and support the Palestinian cause, and at the same time, win the large Muslim votes in his/her constituency. It is a win/win/ win situation.

    However, as soon as you enter the equation a terror attack blamed on Muslims, then all of a sudden, the potential of Muslims and the value of votes of millions of Muslims in America and Europe instantly goes to zero! Not only the votes of Muslims lose their value, but they become so poisonous that no western politician would dare to seek them, or even appear to want them. The attacks are that effective!

    Thus, it is to rob western Muslims their potential and the value of their votes, and scare and intimidate western politicians from engaging or helping Muslims or even seeking their help, and, hence, effectively remove Israel’s nightmare scenario that these terror attacks, and false-flag operations against America and Europe are waged. This terror war didn’t start now. It started with the first World Trade Center attack back 1993, which was blamed on a blind Muslim Sheikh and his handful followers. The accelerated manner in which these attacks are now waged in Germany, in France, in Belgium, and in the US, and in the other western countries that, in all likelihood, will start soon experiencing these same horrors, is intended to FORCE the hand of Western leaders to undertake a massive deportation or internment of Muslims in the West, so that the threat from Muslim votes, and, hence, Israel’s nightmare scenario would be permanently removed.

    However, since these terror attacks are no harmless games, but monumental crimes against the American people, against the European peoples, and against Muslims, these attacks not only will backfire, but their end result would create the opposite of what Israel intended: Christians and Muslims will be forced, by necessity, to come together and crush not just Israel, but the entire Jewish Empire once and for all. This is the only way in which the West, the Muslim World, and the entire humanity will find peace and stability.

    Had those powerful Jews in America and Europe stopped Israel from continuing these suicidal attacks, they would have saved millions of Jews in Israel from a certain calamity that is bound to be fall on them, and perhaps added some unknown years into Israel’s existence. And they would have saved the Jewish empire and its tens of trillions of dollars from falling into the dragnet created by Israel’s unspeakable crimes.

    By covering up Israel’s crimes and being complicit in her crimes, American and European Jews are not helping Israel at all. On the contrary they are pushing her into speedy self-destruction, and are destroying themselves in the process. Therefore, in all intents and purposes, Israel’s days are numbered. And so are those of Jewish empire.

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  5. Marcus says:

    The IRA was “Roman Catholic” and yet nobody spoke of a “Catholic threat”.

    You can’t be serious. I agree that “terrorism” is a minor issue and a distraction from the immigration issue itself.

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  6. alexander says:

    Saker,

    There is a scene in the film “American Hustle” where the lead character Irving Rosenfeld (Christian Bale ) is displayed as a young teen running around actually smashing the store windows of various businesses in his neighborhood, then quickly running away.

    He explains that his fathers “sheet glass” business was very slow, so in order to boost orders and generate profits, he would break his neighbors windows so they would be forced to order new ones from his Pops shop.

    Can any of us say this exact same formula isn’t the one most likely underway with our vast and humongous ” terror security” industries ?

    Who wishes more the perpetuation of terror events, mass shootings, and the like, than the very industries whose enormous profits depend on their continued existence ?

    You are absolutely right in pointing out how goofball so many of these “terror events” actually seem.

    Nor can any of the “security industries” complain ….can they ?….Considering that nearly all of the $15,000,000,000,000.00 in US “overspending” during the last 15 years, can be directly attributed to fighting our heroic War on Terror in one form or another.

    Its an absolute gold mine.

    Many would argue that breaking the glass windows, oneself, only to pocket the handsome profits in replacing them…..is the perfect business model.

    As long as you are sure you can blame it on your “enemy”…….. Why not ?

    Perhaps this is why our most outspoken mainstream media “terror experts “are so sure the war on terror can never truly be won……just managed effectively.

    Who among them would want a gravy train of this magnitude , to ever end ?

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    The sheet glass breaking scam described in "American Hustle" may have been stolen from George Bernard Shaw. In one of his plays he created a company, "Breakages Ltd." that provided repair service. So they wound up going around breaking things, or lobbying the government to pass regulations making sure that manufactured goods broke easily, to drum up business. Shaw was making a point that free market incentives can work in the wrong direction too. This was from one of his later, post "Saint Joan" plays that don't get much attention, so maybe the "American Hustle" writers didn't actually steal the idea from Shaw.
    , @Jatz07
    I know a glass business owner did that exact same thing, only near his premises though.
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  7. MarkU says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    “Saker, you’re pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn’t matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don’t exist.”

    So why are you reading this stuff? I don’t go to places which publish what i consider to be lies or drivel. You won’t find any comments by me on Fox news for example, life is just too short. So what are you doing here? money too good to resist? and while we are about it most of what you are saying is just lies and drivel (Russia invading Crimea and Donbass indeed)

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    Mr. Mark, you indeed hit quartermaster in the head! hahahhaha, your response is so accurate that it needs no more praise.

    Yes, Russia invading Donbass, is so outlandish that if it was so, the Ukrainian Army would be history in that area. I believe that the Russian Army is a bad ass Army. I really have respect for the Russians, and I am telling you because I am a vet with 22 yrs of service. I see a lot of people who only types senseless words because they have no other things to do. I also believe that the the Russians are not our enemies, only made to look as such by 'some hidden forces' some where, deep in our national Gov. who have not America's best interest at heart. Who will fight for America? who will fight the hidden adversaries hiding under cover of traitorous persons with double citizenship? I will never forget the PFE, teaching us to 'think critically' don't confuse oranges and apples, etc. so here I do repeat it, THINK CRITICALLY, ANALYZE, who will benefit? who?


    thank you.

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    , @bluedog
    Well you have to forgive the one who calls himself the Quartermaster for he has the neo-con mentality that's what's white is black and black is white and that I presumes comes with his pay grade,!!
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  8. Talha says:

    …the kind of people I call “overnight Muslims”: they all make darn sure to say Allahu Akbar a number of times, but other than that, they have no sign of Islam at all. In fact, far from being trained Daesh fighters, they are all losers with weak personalities. Exactly the kind of people the special services (and religious sects) like to prey upon because they are weak and easy to manipulate.

    Saker is on to something right here. A Muslim in this kind of limbo-phase between non-practice and ignorance and on the verge of wanting to become more religious is at a very critical cross-roads. One of the better articles I have read on the subject (specifically dealing with situation in Tunisia) is this one:

    Religious education is shallow in Tunisia, so there’s little theological substance to keep a young person from going to extremes…
    When he got to Ben Gardane, he called Walid to ask for help crossing the border. But Walid, who had just returned from Syria, tried to discourage him.
    “Dude, don’t go!” Walid said when they met on the street. “It’s just a trap for young people to die.” To Walid, Ahmed was exactly the type of young person isis exploited—naïve, lost, looking for the shortest path to Heaven. Al Qaeda had comparatively higher standards: some of its recruits had to fill out lengthy application forms in which they were asked to name their favorite Islamic scholars. Walid could answer such questions, but they would stump Ahmed and most other Tunisian jihadis.
    “Dying as a martyr is a beautiful thing,” Walid told Ahmed. “But dying as a martyr at the expense of a people and a nation isn’t the right thing to do. If you can help your own nation, it’s better than dying to make a hell for other people.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/28/tunisia-and-the-fall-after-the-arab-spring

    Imagine where we are at, a guy that fought for an al-Queda affiliate in Syria and came back dissilusioned is trying to stop a more naive guy from joining Daesh. Incredible.

    That one line seems to describe all of the lone wolf guys: “naïve, lost, looking for the shortest path to Heaven” and unfortunately, there are a good number of them around. The onus is on the Muslim community to get to these guys with legitimate scholarly knowledge before they go that route.

    Peace.

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  9. Begemot says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    Quartermaster – Putin is a Soviet Revanchist? Then why is Georgia still an independent country? In the 2008 war with Georgia the Russians broke the Georgian military and the road to Tbilisi was open. Georgia was theirs for the taking. But the Russians left and Georgia is still an American client state. This fact contradicts your assertion about Russian and Putin’s goals.

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    Perhaps you should pay better attention to what KGB dwarf is actually saying and doing.
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  10. R says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    It is you who is pathetic and ignorant. The staff of the Russian army do not carry IDs of any sort let alone passports. Captured Russians by the Ukraine are Russians and members of the 70% Russian population of U kraine.

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    R is correct. Military men have unique passports. The passports released by the ukrainians were non military russian passports. I am sure that russian supplies and supports the fighters in east Ukraine. I am sure that Retired russian military (all Russian men are retired military) are in east Ukraine. I am sure they are encouraged to do so. But i doubt there are russian troops there directly. Many photos said to show this are proven fakes.
    , @Quartermaster
    You're funny. Not only do they, they've been captured with them. You'd think Putin would be able to "Sheep dip" his troops, but I guess not.
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  11. Ed says:
    @alexander
    Saker,

    There is a scene in the film "American Hustle" where the lead character Irving Rosenfeld (Christian Bale ) is displayed as a young teen running around actually smashing the store windows of various businesses in his neighborhood, then quickly running away.

    He explains that his fathers "sheet glass" business was very slow, so in order to boost orders and generate profits, he would break his neighbors windows so they would be forced to order new ones from his Pops shop.

    Can any of us say this exact same formula isn't the one most likely underway with our vast and humongous " terror security" industries ?

    Who wishes more the perpetuation of terror events, mass shootings, and the like, than the very industries whose enormous profits depend on their continued existence ?

    You are absolutely right in pointing out how goofball so many of these "terror events" actually seem.

    Nor can any of the "security industries" complain ....can they ?....Considering that nearly all of the $15,000,000,000,000.00 in US "overspending" during the last 15 years, can be directly attributed to fighting our heroic War on Terror in one form or another.

    Its an absolute gold mine.

    Many would argue that breaking the glass windows, oneself, only to pocket the handsome profits in replacing them.....is the perfect business model.

    As long as you are sure you can blame it on your "enemy"........ Why not ?

    Perhaps this is why our most outspoken mainstream media "terror experts "are so sure the war on terror can never truly be won......just managed effectively.

    Who among them would want a gravy train of this magnitude , to ever end ?

    The sheet glass breaking scam described in “American Hustle” may have been stolen from George Bernard Shaw. In one of his plays he created a company, “Breakages Ltd.” that provided repair service. So they wound up going around breaking things, or lobbying the government to pass regulations making sure that manufactured goods broke easily, to drum up business. Shaw was making a point that free market incentives can work in the wrong direction too. This was from one of his later, post “Saint Joan” plays that don’t get much attention, so maybe the “American Hustle” writers didn’t actually steal the idea from Shaw.

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  12. prusmc says:

    I think Trump could be assassinated by a lone wolf or a group plot and the MSM /academic/government employee complex would say he deserved it. There would be zero substantive action by his support groups because they are disorganized and though individuals are well armed they never are capable of concerted action. That being said: if there was not a single jihadist in these muslim refegees what positive inputs do they bring to a country which already has a higher percent of takers than makers in its’ population?

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    The lone wolf explanation since Lee Harvey Oswald has solidified into a convention. The shooting sprees of the last few months are all forced into a single shooter framework despite contrary witness testimony and logic. This follows a history of supposedly mentally ill loners such as the Bush friend John Hinckley, Squeaky Fromme, Acga the Turk in St. Peter's Square and the failed assassin of George Wallace, not to mention John Wilkes Booth, who was not a lone actor.
    Assassination of a political figure is a political act for a political end. If Trump dies by an assassin's hand the question to ask of course is Cui bono?
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  13. Hunsdon says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    I’d sure appreciate it if you could provide a link to Putin saying that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. It can be in Russian if you’d like, my reading is a little slow in Russian but I can get there.

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  14. Vraja D says: • Website

    There is a constant problem with parts of The Saker’s views when it comes to the way he sees many events in a conspiratorial light which are usually much better explained in alternative ways. For example the idea that the various media circuses like the bathroom issues in America are a planned distraction, or the Black America issues, or refugee issues in Europe – as being used in a conspiracy to create more of a martial law environment. All of those various issues can each be explained in a more logical and sensible way due to the inherent nature of “crisis” in modern culture, whereby each crisis issue leads to a media reaction which stokes and inflames, thereby making each issue a vicious cycle which ends up with public demands of more involvement by government, police, and so on. Let me explain.

    The idea that all of the recent Muslims terror attacks were by nominal Muslims with mental problems, and therefore that means they were the products of a conspiracy to invoke a more hardcore police state environment in Europe and America, is quite a leap of faith in the official explanations and conjecture. We do not really know what is real or not about those specific Muslims – the reason is because there is a concerted effort by Muslims in positions of influence in the west (super wealthy oil wealth and politically connected) to divorce Islam from any blame to terror attacks. Therefore there is a lot of pressure they bring to bear on state and media to make the terrorists out to be “not really real Muslims.”

    Also, there is the influence of “Manufactured Consent,” which is the concept of how the media and also states or even business work based upon shared current conceptions or ideologies of “political-correctness” or what is seen as within the boundaries of acceptable views and words, along with seeking to please various constituencies – all together creates a self-imposed model of newspeak or manufactured consent. Those influences can seem conspiratorial when they are really self-imposed boundaries which leads to what looks like a common controlling influence of people, rather then the influence of the culture they all work within.

    Not that all conspiracy based views are necessarily wrong, it is just that manufactured consent *appears* so conspiratorial in nature that is easy to see conspiracy when all there is going on is self perpetuating limiting behavior based on shared values. For example: you say that all the current calls to more a militarized police state in Europe seems to have moved all the past focus on the economic problems of the EU off the media table. Is that planned? You suggest it is because of the supposed lack of piety of the Muslim terrorists or refugees.

    But it can explained another way – the refugees coming to Europe are desperate people, and many of them will of course have mental problems or cultural conditioning which makes their easy assimilation into European society be unlikely. For example in Muslim countries men are used to treating women in a certain way and getting away with it, so of course their all of a sudden desperate situation in Europe, combined with their machismo, can easily set them on the course to violence towards women, and people in general. That often manifests internally with their self-justification as “doing violence for Islam” since they have been taught by so many Muslim sources that it is justified to attack “the infidels,” therefore they have an outlet for their violence that be written off as self-justified because “it is for Allah,” when really they are just violence prone and or mentally ill to various degrees.

    The refugee problem *inherently* should lead to the current problems in the EU, which very predictably it has done so. And because it has, that has led many people in the EU to realize they have a big problem with potential violence, and the media very predictably reacts in order to gain views for their TV shows, or websites or news organizations and so on. The media values sensationalism, and they push the fear for reasons of selling their shows or website or papers, and that creates a feedback loop which manifests in the people becoming more fearful and suspicious and treating refugees worse, making the refugees more violent, creating a vicious cycle. This leads to demands of the governments to increase the police state. All very predictable and not needing any conspiracy.

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    No body is superman No one is God. Every kinetic movement of the falling sparrow is not directed or promised by the human . So why do we start working towards a goal? Because we have some sense of human behaviors - how they can unfold ,and what form the reaction will take,when it will,and what would be the response from the protagonists who initiated the game . War planners (against Iraq Iran Somalia Libya Syria ) perfectly knew because it is now open secret that the evolution of the violence was predicted by the intelligence in clear unambiguous language and by some leaders metaphorically ( You break it you own it- Colin Powell) and the monster architects were warned

    Let's look at terrorism. Somehow when west was battling Soviet from 1950 to 1980 in Europe, there was no Muslim terrorism against the infidel ,against the secularist./communists It is not that the Muslim would not have done if properly guided .The reason of not using Muslim was simple - they did not have any legitimacy which the local European sounding names and organizations had . It would have produced a different kind of backlash from the local and would have unifed Europeans rather than diving them along ideological lines . Back then the goal was this separation and division that could be best served from within . Today's focus is on GWOT, Clash of Civilization, neutering resistance from those who could be collectively defined ad Arab or Muslim or both . The enemy is named . The enemy is identified . Even when the leaders say :" Why we are not naming the enemy"- battle line is rejoined and reinforced along racial religious ethnic lines that mutate into evil vs divine .- they are naming the enemy.
    The slogan has moved from the subway and from transit advertisement of NY/SF bay to the official planners .A subliminal subconscious pervasive identity based antagonism is created that is immune to logic and answerable to emotion which is already deeply etched with one flavor .

    How does the Islamic terrorism help the master now? It sustains Islamophobia. It creates additional hatred against immigrant.Terrorist can mingle and smuggle them selves . It creates chaos is the thing master love for gainful control when master has no other aptitude and vision . Terror can be used against leader /country wavering on the commitment to fight for the master . It adds to the chorus for more spending on military and for more wars at home and abroad It also helps the tyrant allies when they need to go after their own citizen
    It proves that terrorism has a context both in space and time in addition to having a master-player from behind.
    13 yrs sanctions on Iraq or initial 2 yrs war in Afghanistan did not produce random terrorism but gave rise to organized terrorism . It did not produce mass movement of people despite the dislocations and displacement and despite the admission of Madame Albright of being content with death of infants and children numbering 500,000 . Rich Muslim elite of west could not put pressure on media, academia,and political and economic centers to change the behaviors They distanced them selves from the ongoing carnage and blamed Iraq .
    Then came the Iraq war The architects of Iraq war had few commonalities But they were consistent ,pervasive,and without those commonalities no one would be included in the team--- full-throat multi front support for Israel then now and for ever irrespective of the effects on US West or the world . For these people a successful pro western regime in post Saddam Iraq would make sure continued obliteration of Libya Syria Saudi Arab Iran Somalia and Syria through similar or identical game plan . They had a plan B--in case the war were not successful, they still have a lot to go for the war-. The war will shake the neighborhood ( Thomas Friedman) It will create cauldron ( Michael Ledeen ) The war will tell Saudis and Mubaraek -we are coming ( Thomas Friedman ) The war will force Iran to stop - X, Y and Z ( PNAC gang ) It will sustain the myth -" Let them fight over there [ against who , who will be fighting ? Shia and Sunni Arab and non Arab Muslim and non Mulsims] ( Bush or some one who wrote it for him ) Yoded Yonin found his promised leaders in the west . TV host and Syndicated columnists very soon would be writing how the war was successfully being completed while they ignored the cruel inhuman degrading tortures in Iraqi prisons and then blames the Muslim for having perverted attitude to torture .( It was prank, some kind of innocent game per FOX news host)
    They knew what would inflame a human being because they were once human being .

    They knew that a falling palace sends debris ( terrorists lone actor opportunist even possible new religious figure with new ideas ) flying around
    They knew that out of the weakening center , numerous autonomous centers will emerge . These emerging power blocks will fight with each another as a group and also as individual in near and distant places . They knew that either way they -would win Rest did not and doesn't matter.

    Having no identity anymore ( nationalism ,secularism, religion , tribalism- all have failed them at individual and group level ) but having experienced the losses tortures shame degradation they can claim anything while looting raping and murdering and acting on raw hatred .

    The chaos producing war planners and their enablers in the media knew of the inevitability all along of the rise of chaos and from chaos there would be mayhem unless they got what they wanted 100% .
    It is ironic how these miscreants human haters Islaimc terrorists and equally bad war makers share in common . It is ironic how the sense of revenge numbs their minds and dulls their intelligence . It was revenge that prompted the neocons to refuse the generous offer of total surrender from Saddam and even Iran at that time . It is ironic to see these hateful Islamic terrorists going after very people who embraced them with open minds and outstretched hand , who protested against wars in Iraq and Syria and Libya , and who still silently support their presence in their midst .

    , @KA
    Canada Judge Rules That Police Entrapped Couple in Bomb Plot


    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/americas/canada-rcmp-bc-bomb-plot.html?_r=0

    -" couple, John Stuart Nuttall and Amanda Marie Korody, are recovering drug addicts who once lived on the street. They had been convicted of terrorism-related charges and were possibly facing life in prison because of their actions on Canada Day on July 1, 2013.

    But in a scathing decision, Justice Catherine Bruce of the Supreme Court of British Columbia found that the Mounties had instigated the terrorist plot and manipulated the common-law couple.

    “The defendants were the foot soldiers, but the undercover officer was the leader of the group,” Justice Bruce wrote in a decision that also dismissed the credibility of testimony by several police officers. “Without the police it would have been impossible for the defendants to carry out the pressure-cooker plan,” she added.

    The couple, who said they were converts to Islam, came to the attention of the police initially after a neighbor complained that Mr. Nuttall was making violent “Islamic” statements. Although he had a record of petty crime, violence and drugs, when the police investigated the complaints they usually found them groundless and that Mr. Nuttall was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Some officers and health officials said they were concerned that he appeared to be mentally unstable.

    For reasons that are not clear, the couple were placed under surveillance."
    , @KA
    http://www.salon.com/2010/10/15/clinton_official_iraq_hugh_shelton/

    That was then .It was before 911 .Cabinet member of Clinton administration asked Army Joint Chief to consider flying U 2 plane low enough and get it shot by Saddam
    "aide, “Hugh, I know I shouldn’t even be asking you this, but what we really need in order to go in and take out Saddam is a precipitous event — something that would make us look good in the eyes of the world. Could you have one of our U-2s fly low enough — and slow enough — so as to guarantee that Saddam could shoot it down?”

    Shelton "responded, “Of course we can …” which prompted a big smile on the official’s face.

    “You can?” was the excited reply.

    “Why, of course we can,” I countered. “Just as soon as we get your ass qualified to fly it, I will have it flown just as low and slow as you want to go.”

    The official reeled back and immediately the smile disappeared. “I knew I should not have asked that….”

    “No, you should not have,” I strongly agreed, still shocked at the disrespect and sheer audacity of the question. “Remember, there is one of our great Americans flying that U-2, and you are asking me to intentionally send him or her to their death for an opportunity to kick Saddam. The last time I checked, we don’t operate like that here in America.”

    www.salon.com Oct 15,2010

    He or she wanted to make sure that America continued to look great while he or she was sacrificing a young man and start wars . Can terrorism have another name for the great swath of the clueless ? Hopefully they would then be able to spell a 3 letter based word: ' WAR' and make peace with their dimwitted animal- instinct based conscience .

    Few years later Bush would suggest painting a plane and get the plane shot by Saddam .

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  15. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Since the fall of the USSR no bogeyman has been as good or effective as they were. Hence back to the old formula. NATO maneuverings and provocations on the borders of Russia could bait them into a clash in the Baltic sea or perhaps a shoot down of a US plane that ‘accidentally’ wanders over into Russian airspace could work wonders in setting off war hysteria and sound the air raid sirens. A localized incident would be just what they might want, something containable but enough to hype up for purposes of greater control of the domestic population who are the real target.
    The .1%, the powers that be, the elites or however one wants to characterize them, will never willingly give up their stranglehold and will do whatever it takes to stay in control. Ideologies are just something to bamboozle the public with, they believe in nothing but themselves. Sometimes exploiting conservative ideas, sometimes leftist ones, they’re just methods of control over the small fry who think it’s all real. They have the wealth of the world at their disposal, the labor of millions working for them and armies to do with as they wish, living beyond the dreams of the kings of old. This ‘democracy’ of ours, as well as all the rest, are just gamed by them and have been for a long time just as no farmer would care how his animals might vote he’s still in charge.

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  16. Ximenes says:

    In the terror wave sweeping the West, there does seem to be an uncanny continuity in the acts committed by ISIS sympathizers, angry Blacks (Dallas), racist white losers (Dylan Roof), psychotic white losers (Aurora), etc. The terror reminds me of a mostly forgotten period in history, Russia in the late 19th century, when also the main targets were policemen, and the perpetrators were mostly said to be ‘Anarchists.’ The violence did not culminate in anarchy, however, but in its opposite, in the complete totalitarianism of the Bolshevik/Soviet state.

    Does anyone have any suggestions for a good book covering the last few decades of Czarist rule? I think we are re-living that, given that so many of the descendants of the original Bolsheviks migrated out of the Soviet Union after WWII and settled in the good old USA.

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    Dostoyevsky's The Devils is a work of fiction, but it is an interesting portrayal, and clearly drawn much from life in parts. G.W. Bush paraphrased lines from one of its characters in one of his early neocon speeches.

    Bukharin's incomplete memoir How It All Began has some interesting parts about rural life (from the viewpoint of a child of relative privilege) and anecdotes from the period when SDLP members (later Bolsheviks and Mensheviks) were still happily socialising with anarchists and what later became the SRs, among other things.

    Presumably, most of what was completely destroyed dealt with early Bolshevism. I'd love to read the missing parts, they may even have included a tale of the early exploits of Koba (Stalin)
    and Koma (have never read his real or later assumed name, either he died young or his later history had to be completely written out).

    Interesting that Stalin couldn't bear to just destroy the whole thing.

    The early parts of A History of Modern Russia by Service have a good account of the period from the turn of the century to Lenin's coup d'etat and, from there, to the end of the civil war.

    I suppose you mean the period from the Decembrists through the emancipation of the serfs to the coup or the end of the civil war (almost a century). Read widely on it, but not in a single work where that was the sole focus.

    Strongly recommend the above three.
    , @Konga
    My suggestion: "The 18th Brumary", Karl Marx
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  17. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    I think we are re-living that

    Not even close. Want to “re-live” it–start World War 1.1 and let US lose millions of lives, then we may talk.

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  18. Krollchem says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    Could you provide some links for us poor uninformed souls? Otherwise your blabber is a waste of space on this forum. We are here to learn…

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  19. Max Payne says:

    Ah yes the disco-Muslims of today are as Muslim as those Catholic Italians who bless the night by kissing the cross that’s dangling from their rear-view mirror… after they just did a line of coke off their dash and had just finished finger-banging their girlfriend. I suppose Jesus would approve.

    A lot of Pakistani Muslims that I see live in the West seem to think its okay to drink, gamble, and cheat on your arranged wife, but pork is still “haram”. The hissy-fits I had to witness when one of them gets served something with pork next to their Heineken….. people are fucking weird.

    I don’t generally believe in false flags but the fact they wanted to delete all surveillance videos in Nice about the incident and the frequency of these attacks does feel off. But then again there was that crazy guy in Japan who stabbed a whole load of handicapped people just a few days ago. Maybe it’s the record heat making people go nuts this summer.

    A side note on the Nice truck attack:

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    I once owned a 2002 Mercedes ML320 that AUTO ACCELERATED RIGHT INTO A WALL while I was waiting in a queue for a car wash, full rev (I was in my early-mid 20s, sober, with a perfect driving record; just to dispel any notions that I was an old senile geezer, drunk, and suffering from terrible driving skills… this was prior to the days of when twiddling your thumb like a retard on some handheld device was acceptable so…. no I wasn’t looking at my non-existent phone while this was happening).

    While Mercedes did everything under the sun not to admit to it I found out that it was a uncommon but present problem with one batch of defective computers used in the vehicle. They hushed up the whole thing (offered me a semi-kitted 2003 model with only 8000km as a “free” upgrade; took the old car in…I was like 24-25 or something, I got dazzled by a new(er) car, those salesmen are crafty… what more can I say). I found out two years later the same VIN, which was resold by Mercedes after being repaired, had the exact same issue again (except this time it auto accelerated into the back of a dump truck which completely totaled it).

    SO WITH THAT BEING SAID sometimes I wonder how hard could it be to just hijack someones car (either through malicious software or remotely) and drive it into people, then shoot the driver and remove all evidence. I have a cheap ECU tuner (thank you AliExpress) that screws a lot of settings that I, as an end-user, shouldn’t be messing with. I’m sure more technical people like the NSA can do much more.

    We hear about how OnStar can disable cars when they are stolen (can it do it when someone is driving 180 km/h on the highway?)…. I can imagine its the best way to kill people these days from an intelligence agency point of view. Who would even know? It’s software not some physical act like disconnecting a brake line or attaching a device.

    I wonder if Princess Diana died under similar circumstances.

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    Hey MP,

    the disco-Muslims
     
    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the 'West' for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys' starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared; lacking the background to distinguish the legitimate from extremist, they are easily led into an idealist/utopian vision in which they are guaranteed a quick fix for all their years of debauchery and a way to strike back at those who 'violated' them. This is an excellent analysis of issue by Nouman Ali Khan who is very actively involved in the Muslim youth in North America:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VitJM_6E74

    MI5 made very similar conclusions due to critical analysis of the background of British radicals and terrorists:
    "Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.
    , @Qasim
    A lot of Pakistani Muslims that I see live in the West seem to think its okay to drink, gamble, and cheat on your arranged wife, but pork is still “haram”. The hissy-fits I had to witness when one of them gets served something with pork next to their Heineken….. people are fucking weird.

    The accuracy of this paragraph really made me laugh. I think part of the issue is that drinking, gambling, and banging chicks is fun/exciting and indulging in such things can be attributed to weakness. Whereas eating pork has no excuse; there are dozens of equally good/better meat options available. Not being able to abide by this simple prohibition shows you don't give a flying f about the religion, and that is why anyone with a even a modicum of faith will pass on the BLT.

    Plus if you have never eaten it in childhood, the sight/smell of bacon horribly revolting, it must be some irrational biological disgust mechanism kicking in, I think I would have an easier time eating a cricket or a dog!
    , @Expose the Nose

    I don’t generally believe in false flags
     
    Why in heavens not? These are examples of false flags that are solid historical fact:

    - 1946 King David Hotel bombing: Menachem Begin and friends were dressed as Arabs
    - 1954 Lavon Affair:


    a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American, and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

     

    - 1967 USS Liberty: Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty in international waters, with the goal of it being blamed on Egypt to draw America into the war

    These are all proven. Now imagine how many haven't been caught. When the police pull over and catch a drunk driver, it certainly wasn't the first time the driver drove drunk.

    Also, read up on Operation Northwoods.

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  20. @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    If Ukraine had been invaded by Russia, in reality as opposed to your demented Gog & Magog fantasies, the Maidanist scum would have been driven out in a couple of weeks.

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    You're going to have to ask the KGB dwarf why he doesn't just go ahead and knock Kyiv over.

    The Gog & Magog thing is of your own invention. It doesn't even apply to this and you're simply being stupid.

    The scum is in Moscow. If Putin had simply kept his troops in Russia and been a good neighbor, the situation would be far better for him and Russia. Instead, the man is having delusions of grandeur and is simply wrecking his country.

    But, that's just a bit too much for your sort to understand.
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  21. Jatz07 says:
    @Anonymous
    As usual The Saker defends atrocity committed by Muslims. Remember his article where refugee epidemic of rape is actually the German women's fault for being so slutty? No, Muslims never have any self will and any act of terrorism they do is always due to some false flag.

    Tamaki you don’t recognize what the article was saying.

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  22. Jatz07 says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    Obviously you’re not in Crimea like my wife who returns for a holiday every year to her apartment. 20.000 Russian troops were already in Crimea, no need to bring anymore in. Yea we all know Valeriy Heletey using Facebook of all things claimed Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons. Oh piffle.

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    Yet, Russia brought more in. Most of the "troops" in Crimea were there incidental to the Black Sea fleet being there. There is a huge difference between the troops that stole Crimea, and those that were already there.
    , @Quartermaster
    You need to pay attention to what Putin has actually said. He has rattled nuclear sabers. More than once, no less. Claiming it's piffle simply shows you need to get out more.
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  23. Jatz07 says:
    @alexander
    Saker,

    There is a scene in the film "American Hustle" where the lead character Irving Rosenfeld (Christian Bale ) is displayed as a young teen running around actually smashing the store windows of various businesses in his neighborhood, then quickly running away.

    He explains that his fathers "sheet glass" business was very slow, so in order to boost orders and generate profits, he would break his neighbors windows so they would be forced to order new ones from his Pops shop.

    Can any of us say this exact same formula isn't the one most likely underway with our vast and humongous " terror security" industries ?

    Who wishes more the perpetuation of terror events, mass shootings, and the like, than the very industries whose enormous profits depend on their continued existence ?

    You are absolutely right in pointing out how goofball so many of these "terror events" actually seem.

    Nor can any of the "security industries" complain ....can they ?....Considering that nearly all of the $15,000,000,000,000.00 in US "overspending" during the last 15 years, can be directly attributed to fighting our heroic War on Terror in one form or another.

    Its an absolute gold mine.

    Many would argue that breaking the glass windows, oneself, only to pocket the handsome profits in replacing them.....is the perfect business model.

    As long as you are sure you can blame it on your "enemy"........ Why not ?

    Perhaps this is why our most outspoken mainstream media "terror experts "are so sure the war on terror can never truly be won......just managed effectively.

    Who among them would want a gravy train of this magnitude , to ever end ?

    I know a glass business owner did that exact same thing, only near his premises though.

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  24. Talha says:
    @Max Payne
    Ah yes the disco-Muslims of today are as Muslim as those Catholic Italians who bless the night by kissing the cross that's dangling from their rear-view mirror... after they just did a line of coke off their dash and had just finished finger-banging their girlfriend. I suppose Jesus would approve.

    A lot of Pakistani Muslims that I see live in the West seem to think its okay to drink, gamble, and cheat on your arranged wife, but pork is still "haram". The hissy-fits I had to witness when one of them gets served something with pork next to their Heineken..... people are fucking weird.

    I don't generally believe in false flags but the fact they wanted to delete all surveillance videos in Nice about the incident and the frequency of these attacks does feel off. But then again there was that crazy guy in Japan who stabbed a whole load of handicapped people just a few days ago. Maybe it's the record heat making people go nuts this summer.

    A side note on the Nice truck attack:



    I once owned a 2002 Mercedes ML320 that AUTO ACCELERATED RIGHT INTO A WALL while I was waiting in a queue for a car wash, full rev (I was in my early-mid 20s, sober, with a perfect driving record; just to dispel any notions that I was an old senile geezer, drunk, and suffering from terrible driving skills... this was prior to the days of when twiddling your thumb like a retard on some handheld device was acceptable so.... no I wasn't looking at my non-existent phone while this was happening).

    While Mercedes did everything under the sun not to admit to it I found out that it was a uncommon but present problem with one batch of defective computers used in the vehicle. They hushed up the whole thing (offered me a semi-kitted 2003 model with only 8000km as a "free" upgrade; took the old car in...I was like 24-25 or something, I got dazzled by a new(er) car, those salesmen are crafty... what more can I say). I found out two years later the same VIN, which was resold by Mercedes after being repaired, had the exact same issue again (except this time it auto accelerated into the back of a dump truck which completely totaled it).

    SO WITH THAT BEING SAID sometimes I wonder how hard could it be to just hijack someones car (either through malicious software or remotely) and drive it into people, then shoot the driver and remove all evidence. I have a cheap ECU tuner (thank you AliExpress) that screws a lot of settings that I, as an end-user, shouldn't be messing with. I'm sure more technical people like the NSA can do much more.

    We hear about how OnStar can disable cars when they are stolen (can it do it when someone is driving 180 km/h on the highway?).... I can imagine its the best way to kill people these days from an intelligence agency point of view. Who would even know? It's software not some physical act like disconnecting a brake line or attaching a device.

    I wonder if Princess Diana died under similar circumstances.

    Hey MP,

    the disco-Muslims

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared; lacking the background to distinguish the legitimate from extremist, they are easily led into an idealist/utopian vision in which they are guaranteed a quick fix for all their years of debauchery and a way to strike back at those who ‘violated’ them. This is an excellent analysis of issue by Nouman Ali Khan who is very actively involved in the Muslim youth in North America:

    MI5 made very similar conclusions due to critical analysis of the background of British radicals and terrorists:
    Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.

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    [Pick a single handle and stick to it or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may get trashed.]

    The article you cited made sense until I saw it is from The Guardian

    There has not been a word of truth printed in The Guardian since it was taken over by the Bolsheviks around 1920.
    My relatives read that bolshi anti White Briton rag. They often cite it in conversations and the information they site is wrong wrong wrong.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.
    , @iffen
    Talha,

    You need to have an altar call for the benefit of these guys.

    Come to Jesus on your knees and repent of your sins, all is forgiven.
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  25. Qasim says:
    @Max Payne
    Ah yes the disco-Muslims of today are as Muslim as those Catholic Italians who bless the night by kissing the cross that's dangling from their rear-view mirror... after they just did a line of coke off their dash and had just finished finger-banging their girlfriend. I suppose Jesus would approve.

    A lot of Pakistani Muslims that I see live in the West seem to think its okay to drink, gamble, and cheat on your arranged wife, but pork is still "haram". The hissy-fits I had to witness when one of them gets served something with pork next to their Heineken..... people are fucking weird.

    I don't generally believe in false flags but the fact they wanted to delete all surveillance videos in Nice about the incident and the frequency of these attacks does feel off. But then again there was that crazy guy in Japan who stabbed a whole load of handicapped people just a few days ago. Maybe it's the record heat making people go nuts this summer.

    A side note on the Nice truck attack:



    I once owned a 2002 Mercedes ML320 that AUTO ACCELERATED RIGHT INTO A WALL while I was waiting in a queue for a car wash, full rev (I was in my early-mid 20s, sober, with a perfect driving record; just to dispel any notions that I was an old senile geezer, drunk, and suffering from terrible driving skills... this was prior to the days of when twiddling your thumb like a retard on some handheld device was acceptable so.... no I wasn't looking at my non-existent phone while this was happening).

    While Mercedes did everything under the sun not to admit to it I found out that it was a uncommon but present problem with one batch of defective computers used in the vehicle. They hushed up the whole thing (offered me a semi-kitted 2003 model with only 8000km as a "free" upgrade; took the old car in...I was like 24-25 or something, I got dazzled by a new(er) car, those salesmen are crafty... what more can I say). I found out two years later the same VIN, which was resold by Mercedes after being repaired, had the exact same issue again (except this time it auto accelerated into the back of a dump truck which completely totaled it).

    SO WITH THAT BEING SAID sometimes I wonder how hard could it be to just hijack someones car (either through malicious software or remotely) and drive it into people, then shoot the driver and remove all evidence. I have a cheap ECU tuner (thank you AliExpress) that screws a lot of settings that I, as an end-user, shouldn't be messing with. I'm sure more technical people like the NSA can do much more.

    We hear about how OnStar can disable cars when they are stolen (can it do it when someone is driving 180 km/h on the highway?).... I can imagine its the best way to kill people these days from an intelligence agency point of view. Who would even know? It's software not some physical act like disconnecting a brake line or attaching a device.

    I wonder if Princess Diana died under similar circumstances.

    A lot of Pakistani Muslims that I see live in the West seem to think its okay to drink, gamble, and cheat on your arranged wife, but pork is still “haram”. The hissy-fits I had to witness when one of them gets served something with pork next to their Heineken….. people are fucking weird.

    The accuracy of this paragraph really made me laugh. I think part of the issue is that drinking, gambling, and banging chicks is fun/exciting and indulging in such things can be attributed to weakness. Whereas eating pork has no excuse; there are dozens of equally good/better meat options available. Not being able to abide by this simple prohibition shows you don’t give a flying f about the religion, and that is why anyone with a even a modicum of faith will pass on the BLT.

    Plus if you have never eaten it in childhood, the sight/smell of bacon horribly revolting, it must be some irrational biological disgust mechanism kicking in, I think I would have an easier time eating a cricket or a dog!

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  26. @R
    It is you who is pathetic and ignorant. The staff of the Russian army do not carry IDs of any sort let alone passports. Captured Russians by the Ukraine are Russians and members of the 70% Russian population of U kraine.

    R is correct. Military men have unique passports. The passports released by the ukrainians were non military russian passports. I am sure that russian supplies and supports the fighters in east Ukraine. I am sure that Retired russian military (all Russian men are retired military) are in east Ukraine. I am sure they are encouraged to do so. But i doubt there are russian troops there directly. Many photos said to show this are proven fakes.

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  27. our orwellian government ~ ‘we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.’
    our orwellian government ~ ‘we’re winning over there so they’re coming here.’

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  28. @prusmc
    I think Trump could be assassinated by a lone wolf or a group plot and the MSM /academic/government employee complex would say he deserved it. There would be zero substantive action by his support groups because they are disorganized and though individuals are well armed they never are capable of concerted action. That being said: if there was not a single jihadist in these muslim refegees what positive inputs do they bring to a country which already has a higher percent of takers than makers in its' population?

    The lone wolf explanation since Lee Harvey Oswald has solidified into a convention. The shooting sprees of the last few months are all forced into a single shooter framework despite contrary witness testimony and logic. This follows a history of supposedly mentally ill loners such as the Bush friend John Hinckley, Squeaky Fromme, Acga the Turk in St. Peter’s Square and the failed assassin of George Wallace, not to mention John Wilkes Booth, who was not a lone actor.
    Assassination of a political figure is a political act for a political end. If Trump dies by an assassin’s hand the question to ask of course is Cui bono?

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  29. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Does anyone know how Richard Gutjahr, the German photojournalist married to an Israeli Jew ex-Mossad agent, knew how to be at the exact Munich location and to film at exactly the spot the shooting would start?

    Sounds a bit odd, don’t you think?

    Or was he there, like his Mossad buddies were on 9/11, to ‘document the event?’

    One of these days, Americans are going to wake up and realize who the real enemy is and it’s not chanting Muslims.

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    You forgot to ask why the same guy was well placed days before in Nice to film the truck when it started moving.
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  30. KA says:
    @Vraja D
    There is a constant problem with parts of The Saker's views when it comes to the way he sees many events in a conspiratorial light which are usually much better explained in alternative ways. For example the idea that the various media circuses like the bathroom issues in America are a planned distraction, or the Black America issues, or refugee issues in Europe - as being used in a conspiracy to create more of a martial law environment. All of those various issues can each be explained in a more logical and sensible way due to the inherent nature of "crisis" in modern culture, whereby each crisis issue leads to a media reaction which stokes and inflames, thereby making each issue a vicious cycle which ends up with public demands of more involvement by government, police, and so on. Let me explain.

    The idea that all of the recent Muslims terror attacks were by nominal Muslims with mental problems, and therefore that means they were the products of a conspiracy to invoke a more hardcore police state environment in Europe and America, is quite a leap of faith in the official explanations and conjecture. We do not really know what is real or not about those specific Muslims - the reason is because there is a concerted effort by Muslims in positions of influence in the west (super wealthy oil wealth and politically connected) to divorce Islam from any blame to terror attacks. Therefore there is a lot of pressure they bring to bear on state and media to make the terrorists out to be "not really real Muslims."

    Also, there is the influence of "Manufactured Consent," which is the concept of how the media and also states or even business work based upon shared current conceptions or ideologies of "political-correctness" or what is seen as within the boundaries of acceptable views and words, along with seeking to please various constituencies - all together creates a self-imposed model of newspeak or manufactured consent. Those influences can seem conspiratorial when they are really self-imposed boundaries which leads to what looks like a common controlling influence of people, rather then the influence of the culture they all work within.

    Not that all conspiracy based views are necessarily wrong, it is just that manufactured consent *appears* so conspiratorial in nature that is easy to see conspiracy when all there is going on is self perpetuating limiting behavior based on shared values. For example: you say that all the current calls to more a militarized police state in Europe seems to have moved all the past focus on the economic problems of the EU off the media table. Is that planned? You suggest it is because of the supposed lack of piety of the Muslim terrorists or refugees.

    But it can explained another way - the refugees coming to Europe are desperate people, and many of them will of course have mental problems or cultural conditioning which makes their easy assimilation into European society be unlikely. For example in Muslim countries men are used to treating women in a certain way and getting away with it, so of course their all of a sudden desperate situation in Europe, combined with their machismo, can easily set them on the course to violence towards women, and people in general. That often manifests internally with their self-justification as "doing violence for Islam" since they have been taught by so many Muslim sources that it is justified to attack "the infidels," therefore they have an outlet for their violence that be written off as self-justified because "it is for Allah," when really they are just violence prone and or mentally ill to various degrees.

    The refugee problem *inherently* should lead to the current problems in the EU, which very predictably it has done so. And because it has, that has led many people in the EU to realize they have a big problem with potential violence, and the media very predictably reacts in order to gain views for their TV shows, or websites or news organizations and so on. The media values sensationalism, and they push the fear for reasons of selling their shows or website or papers, and that creates a feedback loop which manifests in the people becoming more fearful and suspicious and treating refugees worse, making the refugees more violent, creating a vicious cycle. This leads to demands of the governments to increase the police state. All very predictable and not needing any conspiracy.

    No body is superman No one is God. Every kinetic movement of the falling sparrow is not directed or promised by the human . So why do we start working towards a goal? Because we have some sense of human behaviors – how they can unfold ,and what form the reaction will take,when it will,and what would be the response from the protagonists who initiated the game . War planners (against Iraq Iran Somalia Libya Syria ) perfectly knew because it is now open secret that the evolution of the violence was predicted by the intelligence in clear unambiguous language and by some leaders metaphorically ( You break it you own it- Colin Powell) and the monster architects were warned

    Let’s look at terrorism. Somehow when west was battling Soviet from 1950 to 1980 in Europe, there was no Muslim terrorism against the infidel ,against the secularist./communists It is not that the Muslim would not have done if properly guided .The reason of not using Muslim was simple – they did not have any legitimacy which the local European sounding names and organizations had . It would have produced a different kind of backlash from the local and would have unifed Europeans rather than diving them along ideological lines . Back then the goal was this separation and division that could be best served from within . Today’s focus is on GWOT, Clash of Civilization, neutering resistance from those who could be collectively defined ad Arab or Muslim or both . The enemy is named . The enemy is identified . Even when the leaders say :” Why we are not naming the enemy”- battle line is rejoined and reinforced along racial religious ethnic lines that mutate into evil vs divine .- they are naming the enemy.
    The slogan has moved from the subway and from transit advertisement of NY/SF bay to the official planners .A subliminal subconscious pervasive identity based antagonism is created that is immune to logic and answerable to emotion which is already deeply etched with one flavor .

    How does the Islamic terrorism help the master now? It sustains Islamophobia. It creates additional hatred against immigrant.Terrorist can mingle and smuggle them selves . It creates chaos is the thing master love for gainful control when master has no other aptitude and vision . Terror can be used against leader /country wavering on the commitment to fight for the master . It adds to the chorus for more spending on military and for more wars at home and abroad It also helps the tyrant allies when they need to go after their own citizen
    It proves that terrorism has a context both in space and time in addition to having a master-player from behind.
    13 yrs sanctions on Iraq or initial 2 yrs war in Afghanistan did not produce random terrorism but gave rise to organized terrorism . It did not produce mass movement of people despite the dislocations and displacement and despite the admission of Madame Albright of being content with death of infants and children numbering 500,000 . Rich Muslim elite of west could not put pressure on media, academia,and political and economic centers to change the behaviors They distanced them selves from the ongoing carnage and blamed Iraq .
    Then came the Iraq war The architects of Iraq war had few commonalities But they were consistent ,pervasive,and without those commonalities no one would be included in the team— full-throat multi front support for Israel then now and for ever irrespective of the effects on US West or the world . For these people a successful pro western regime in post Saddam Iraq would make sure continued obliteration of Libya Syria Saudi Arab Iran Somalia and Syria through similar or identical game plan . They had a plan B–in case the war were not successful, they still have a lot to go for the war-. The war will shake the neighborhood ( Thomas Friedman) It will create cauldron ( Michael Ledeen ) The war will tell Saudis and Mubaraek -we are coming ( Thomas Friedman ) The war will force Iran to stop – X, Y and Z ( PNAC gang ) It will sustain the myth -” Let them fight over there [ against who , who will be fighting ? Shia and Sunni Arab and non Arab Muslim and non Mulsims] ( Bush or some one who wrote it for him ) Yoded Yonin found his promised leaders in the west . TV host and Syndicated columnists very soon would be writing how the war was successfully being completed while they ignored the cruel inhuman degrading tortures in Iraqi prisons and then blames the Muslim for having perverted attitude to torture .( It was prank, some kind of innocent game per FOX news host)
    They knew what would inflame a human being because they were once human being .

    They knew that a falling palace sends debris ( terrorists lone actor opportunist even possible new religious figure with new ideas ) flying around
    They knew that out of the weakening center , numerous autonomous centers will emerge . These emerging power blocks will fight with each another as a group and also as individual in near and distant places . They knew that either way they -would win Rest did not and doesn’t matter.

    Having no identity anymore ( nationalism ,secularism, religion , tribalism- all have failed them at individual and group level ) but having experienced the losses tortures shame degradation they can claim anything while looting raping and murdering and acting on raw hatred .

    The chaos producing war planners and their enablers in the media knew of the inevitability all along of the rise of chaos and from chaos there would be mayhem unless they got what they wanted 100% .
    It is ironic how these miscreants human haters Islaimc terrorists and equally bad war makers share in common . It is ironic how the sense of revenge numbs their minds and dulls their intelligence . It was revenge that prompted the neocons to refuse the generous offer of total surrender from Saddam and even Iran at that time . It is ironic to see these hateful Islamic terrorists going after very people who embraced them with open minds and outstretched hand , who protested against wars in Iraq and Syria and Libya , and who still silently support their presence in their midst .

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  31. KA says:
    @Vraja D
    There is a constant problem with parts of The Saker's views when it comes to the way he sees many events in a conspiratorial light which are usually much better explained in alternative ways. For example the idea that the various media circuses like the bathroom issues in America are a planned distraction, or the Black America issues, or refugee issues in Europe - as being used in a conspiracy to create more of a martial law environment. All of those various issues can each be explained in a more logical and sensible way due to the inherent nature of "crisis" in modern culture, whereby each crisis issue leads to a media reaction which stokes and inflames, thereby making each issue a vicious cycle which ends up with public demands of more involvement by government, police, and so on. Let me explain.

    The idea that all of the recent Muslims terror attacks were by nominal Muslims with mental problems, and therefore that means they were the products of a conspiracy to invoke a more hardcore police state environment in Europe and America, is quite a leap of faith in the official explanations and conjecture. We do not really know what is real or not about those specific Muslims - the reason is because there is a concerted effort by Muslims in positions of influence in the west (super wealthy oil wealth and politically connected) to divorce Islam from any blame to terror attacks. Therefore there is a lot of pressure they bring to bear on state and media to make the terrorists out to be "not really real Muslims."

    Also, there is the influence of "Manufactured Consent," which is the concept of how the media and also states or even business work based upon shared current conceptions or ideologies of "political-correctness" or what is seen as within the boundaries of acceptable views and words, along with seeking to please various constituencies - all together creates a self-imposed model of newspeak or manufactured consent. Those influences can seem conspiratorial when they are really self-imposed boundaries which leads to what looks like a common controlling influence of people, rather then the influence of the culture they all work within.

    Not that all conspiracy based views are necessarily wrong, it is just that manufactured consent *appears* so conspiratorial in nature that is easy to see conspiracy when all there is going on is self perpetuating limiting behavior based on shared values. For example: you say that all the current calls to more a militarized police state in Europe seems to have moved all the past focus on the economic problems of the EU off the media table. Is that planned? You suggest it is because of the supposed lack of piety of the Muslim terrorists or refugees.

    But it can explained another way - the refugees coming to Europe are desperate people, and many of them will of course have mental problems or cultural conditioning which makes their easy assimilation into European society be unlikely. For example in Muslim countries men are used to treating women in a certain way and getting away with it, so of course their all of a sudden desperate situation in Europe, combined with their machismo, can easily set them on the course to violence towards women, and people in general. That often manifests internally with their self-justification as "doing violence for Islam" since they have been taught by so many Muslim sources that it is justified to attack "the infidels," therefore they have an outlet for their violence that be written off as self-justified because "it is for Allah," when really they are just violence prone and or mentally ill to various degrees.

    The refugee problem *inherently* should lead to the current problems in the EU, which very predictably it has done so. And because it has, that has led many people in the EU to realize they have a big problem with potential violence, and the media very predictably reacts in order to gain views for their TV shows, or websites or news organizations and so on. The media values sensationalism, and they push the fear for reasons of selling their shows or website or papers, and that creates a feedback loop which manifests in the people becoming more fearful and suspicious and treating refugees worse, making the refugees more violent, creating a vicious cycle. This leads to demands of the governments to increase the police state. All very predictable and not needing any conspiracy.

    Canada Judge Rules That Police Entrapped Couple in Bomb Plot

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/americas/canada-rcmp-bc-bomb-plot.html?_r=0

    -” couple, John Stuart Nuttall and Amanda Marie Korody, are recovering drug addicts who once lived on the street. They had been convicted of terrorism-related charges and were possibly facing life in prison because of their actions on Canada Day on July 1, 2013.

    But in a scathing decision, Justice Catherine Bruce of the Supreme Court of British Columbia found that the Mounties had instigated the terrorist plot and manipulated the common-law couple.

    “The defendants were the foot soldiers, but the undercover officer was the leader of the group,” Justice Bruce wrote in a decision that also dismissed the credibility of testimony by several police officers. “Without the police it would have been impossible for the defendants to carry out the pressure-cooker plan,” she added.

    The couple, who said they were converts to Islam, came to the attention of the police initially after a neighbor complained that Mr. Nuttall was making violent “Islamic” statements. Although he had a record of petty crime, violence and drugs, when the police investigated the complaints they usually found them groundless and that Mr. Nuttall was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Some officers and health officials said they were concerned that he appeared to be mentally unstable.

    For reasons that are not clear, the couple were placed under surveillance.”

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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    hey i really appreciated this piece and resonated with a lot of your analysis but i am pretty upset that you felt the need to use a transphobic slur in order to underscore the triviality of our domestic issues, a position which despite being affected by many of those issues i don’t entirely disagree with either. while these issues are minuscule in the scale of impending global totalitarianism it is still painful to see such language being used so carelessly and the presence of this word makes me feel incapable of sharing this with the people who trust me. I hope you will reconsider your callous use of slurs because while we, like the people affected by these american pet issues, are indeed a small minority, we still exist, and the violence of those words doe too.

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    Grow a pair.
    , @landlubber
    People who are genuinely transgender due to gonadal dysgenesis deserve our understanding.

    However, the trans rights movement in the public sphere has very little to do with this small group of people; it's mostly about debasing social institutions and valuing self-absorption over reality.
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  33. 5371 says:
    @Anonymous
    hey i really appreciated this piece and resonated with a lot of your analysis but i am pretty upset that you felt the need to use a transphobic slur in order to underscore the triviality of our domestic issues, a position which despite being affected by many of those issues i don't entirely disagree with either. while these issues are minuscule in the scale of impending global totalitarianism it is still painful to see such language being used so carelessly and the presence of this word makes me feel incapable of sharing this with the people who trust me. I hope you will reconsider your callous use of slurs because while we, like the people affected by these american pet issues, are indeed a small minority, we still exist, and the violence of those words doe too.

    Grow a pair.

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  34. @Anonymous
    hey i really appreciated this piece and resonated with a lot of your analysis but i am pretty upset that you felt the need to use a transphobic slur in order to underscore the triviality of our domestic issues, a position which despite being affected by many of those issues i don't entirely disagree with either. while these issues are minuscule in the scale of impending global totalitarianism it is still painful to see such language being used so carelessly and the presence of this word makes me feel incapable of sharing this with the people who trust me. I hope you will reconsider your callous use of slurs because while we, like the people affected by these american pet issues, are indeed a small minority, we still exist, and the violence of those words doe too.

    People who are genuinely transgender due to gonadal dysgenesis deserve our understanding.

    However, the trans rights movement in the public sphere has very little to do with this small group of people; it’s mostly about debasing social institutions and valuing self-absorption over reality.

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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Bullshit cuck for Islam.
    Sure – there are plenty of false flags like 9/11, even 7/7 and Sandy Hook – some happened, some were utterly fake.

    But your bullshit excuses of Muslims who drink don’t do terrorist attacks simply are not correct. In Islamic lore ALL YOUR DEEDS ARE FORGIVEN if you comitt a Jihadi attack on infidels. Also even if you are a “bad” Muslim, you may still believe in Islam and Mohammed as the greatest thing on Earth.

    Ah – yes – it is always the Usury-Elite who is behind Islam. They have been creating mayhem for 1400 years and if Europe did not make progress, then we would be living in the middle ages now. You are a complete moron refusing to accept the guilt of Islamic lore, which is pure and abject evil. Most Muslims are just better than their crappy religion and their genocidal maniac prophet Mohammed.

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  36. attonn says:

    Given that Saker proclaims himself to be an Orthodox Christian with Russian roots, his affinity for Islam of any kind – given the fate of Constantinople and the near complete eradication of Christian communities anywhere Muslims invade – is beyond curious.
    For me personally, it’s the most revolting aspect of his otherwise fine writings.

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  37. iffen says:

    a completely fictional threat?

    You ignorant dickhead, just how stupid do you think we are?

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  38. KA says:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/

    West created terrorism more than one way.

    The greatest tragedy of human being is not drug epidemic but the marketing of arms by western countries to the 3 rd word countries . It is nothing but terrorism. It is not perceived by citizen and voters that way because they don’t know how to evaluate evil ,and how to understand a crime unless someone from above ( media , political leaders, priest ) tell them .that it is a crime or it is terrorism.

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  39. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I can say this

    In the first Trade Center bombing (the blind mullah truck bombing of 1993) the FBI had pretty much instigated the whole thing, funding the mullah to the tune of half a million and even providing him with the bomb maker, who was an FBI plant constantly reporting on the bombs status to his handlers.

    The truck bomb still blew up. Makes you wonder!

    The second Trade Center bombing (planes this time) we have Jewish businesses getting bomb threats that morning and evacuating the buildings. We have 5 “dancing Jews” who turn out to be Mossad agents jumping for joy as they film the burning building. We have a number of people warning their friends not to fly that morning. We have at least one van, driven by Jews working for the same moving company as the 5 dancing Jews that have traces of explosives (they were used to move explosives). We have any number of people stating that bombs went off in at least one of those buildings. We have videotapes showing Building 7 dropping in free fall as if its supports were severed by (you guessed it ) explosives. We have the Director of Homeland Security ( a Jew) freeing the 5 dancing Jews and sending them back to Israel, where they went on national TV admitting they were Mossad agents. Additionally we have a number of people betting that airline stocks would fall and making BILLIONS on the trade. An investigation to find out who those people were was quashed.

    As a result of 9/11 we get the Patriot Act which was NOT going to pass, but was passed when weaponized Anthrax was mailed to the two most important Congressman opposing said act. This Anthrax was later tied to US government strains and came from a US weapons laboratory. In other words the US government attempted to kill off opponents to a power grab

    and as if that was not enough a few years back the US government authorized itself the power to issue propaganda “targeted at the American people”. Prior to that propaganda could only be issued outside US borders.

    Anything you currently see in the news may be US government propaganda.

    These terrorist attacks (whether false flag, instigated by the US government, or real actual ones) are being used as propaganda stories to disarm the public, and history shows that any government that attempts to disarm the public, is going down the path of tyranny.

    If you presently don’t see the reason for the Second Amendment, future government actions may serve to enlighten you. However at that point we will be deep in the dudu.

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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    the Zionists, of course, but also the Neocon elites in the USA and the EU.

    They make up a unique body, it’s no separate entities.

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    the neocons are the pesky relatives of the Zionists.... just secular Jews who want a worldwide cull of populations.... but they've struck a deal.... a good multi cultural stew left when the music ends and there is only reserve seating for 1%

    We are being conditioned to die offs.... next stop suitcase nukes.
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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    the “Communist threat”

    was more real than real in Italy, for decades. To prevent communists from grabbing power Gladio operations were not the only step taken.
    Aldo Moro was assassinated, too (He was a leader of the centre leaning to the left, and pushed for a Centre-Communist Party share of governance).

    Despite all this, extremist communism, very very real, was a threat and a huge problem for Italian society for decades.
    They would almost certainly have taken the power with force, weren’t if for the illegal meddling on the USA’s part. They did it in an anti-USSR function, Italy was luckier than lucky that they did.

    Everytime I see an Anglo-Saxon speak ill of Gladio and other alike operations, I realize ANglo-Saxon, unlike Italians, have never had a serious taste of Communism, and Communists, when they are 30% of society, and you have 30% of “public opinion” and what’s worst 40% or 50% of “public opinion makers” (big journalists, professors of humanities and arts) saying that private property is a crime.

    We already have a Constitution resounding like those of People’s Republics :)) And you wanted us to be GLADIO-less and USA-less on top of all our predicament?

    No Empire can do only wrongs, no serious picture of an Empire will be all-negative.

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    The USA is an enormous cluster**** of centrally planned shyster lawyer protocols and procedures.



    Nanny State interventionists who have more regard for fighting communism in Italy- than at home- would do well to remove the plank from their own eye...
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  42. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    Quartermaster is not paying attention….instead he/she is locked into MSM lies and propaganda. Saker’s point is that all these atrocities that are taking place have the smell of false flag…in fact lets just come out and say it…these are false flag operations designed to plant fear in the population so that the weak and feeble minded citizens who don’t pay attention will throw up their hands and plead for more security thus playing into the hands of the sick elitist so who wish to control the global population. Quartermaster has no idea what he is talking about regarding Russia/Ukraine/Donbass…again he/she has been sucked in to the propaganda which is designed to paint Putin as an evil dictator in order to justify WW3…WW3 is required in order to make money, cover up the criminal activities of these sick people and to redraw boundaries to suit their global domination agenda. We are talking about very sick devil worshipping psychopaths who don’t care who they kill and maim…

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    Alas, for you, the facts on Crimea and the Donbas are in the public domain, having escaped the KGB dwarf's captivity long ago. I don't think Putin is an evil dictator, although is a dictator. He's merely stupid and I acting out like little child and set his country on the path to further destruction. The Yeltsin period will look like a cake walk when the time comes to reap what he's sown.

    There isn't going to be a war between the US and Russia. Neither has the logistics ability to carry on such a war, and the strategic situation would excruciatingly bad for the one that kicks it off.
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  43. Baloney Saker- keep slaughtering Muslims (because there is no more commie threat to fill the MIC coffers)
    …See if they don’t coordinate a genuine Tet-style offensive in retaliation on American soil.
    …And while you are at it- keep grinding a stick in God’s eye with your disgusting Homo Victory Parades, and State sponsored infanticide.
    Islam is a rod that God has raised to chastise the pansy men of the West, who are indifferent to pigs like Bruce Gender, who seeks to sexualize and recruit young children to his hellish behavior.

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    I spoke with my neighbor, who told me that she hates the feminazation of males in the USA. How horrible it is to see males in the USA looking all effeminate! Woman dominated and weak. It is not natural at all, and it is causing 'pigs' like Bruce Gender to do what they do.
    The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing so what can effeminate males do? Just the regular response of most, 'as long as it does not affect me', is what i hear when I converse with others about the homo-sexualization of America . Yet, most refuse to see our degradation and the consequences that go with that.

    How truth it has become:

    Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, For what he deserves will be done to him. 12O My people! Their oppressors are children, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. 13The LORD arises to contend, And stands to judge the people.…Isaiah 3:12
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  44. Yelling “false flag” is typically the cries of those filled with hot air.

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    And one-sentence comments are mere farts of those who don't have anything to say.
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  45. […] The Saker — The Unz Review July 29, 2016 […]

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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Load of baloney c…..p ! Look at reality!

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  47. Randal says:
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    Like Hunsdon and Krollchem, I’d love to see some actual evidence of Putin saying this. It’s often asserted by those pushing the mendacious “Russia as new 1930s Germany” line, but I’ve never yet seen it backed up.

    The idea that Putin actually wants to militarily occupy (which is what it would amount to) places like western Ukraine, the sunni muslim former Soviet states of central Asia (sunni jihadist factories, basically), and even more of the Caucasus snake pit, seems ludicrous on its face. Putin might be many things, but nobody honest accuses him of being stupid. Yes, I’m sure he wants these places within the Russian sphere, just as the US is trying to bring them within its own sphere, but that’s a very different thing, and not anything we need to be concerned about.

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    You need to talk with Putin and ask why he would say such a thing. The sources are public domain. If you really wanted to know about it, you'd find it.
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  48. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Saker

    Stay away from the PCR conspiracy theory sewage…..it’s the carping of small minds. The Muslim “American” terrorists have been very open about their motives:revenge for killing Muslims in the Middle East.

    Since you are obviously a legal immigrant who is very enthusiastic about importing nonwhite legal immigrants into the US….I no longer support importing legal immigrant job thieves from Russia such as you into the US…And I will be happy to send our millions of Mexicans,Chinese,Koreans,Pakistani…and Hindus to Mother Russia.

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  49. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I do not agree with all that you’ve put up there. But there are some interesting points that come to mind.

    It always leaves me startled that none of these individuals ever survives to speak up for themselves. How hard is it for a trained policeman to just shoot up someone’s legs and jump up to disarm him, especially with a show of force around.

    Now that the threat isn’t really that fictitious any longer (if it ever was complete fiction), it leaves the question how many idiots will follow the outcast examples they see on tv.

    We live in a world that runs on capital and populism and there is no room for anything else. If you’re searching for and ideology or if you wish to oppose the status quo, the only thing that our world informs you upon is “radical Islam”. If you’re life has turned to misery because you’re home was bombed and you had to leave the country to go somewhere else but there is nothing for you when you get there, well, your mind starts wondering to extremes.

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  50. Rehmat says:
    @Anonymous
    As usual The Saker defends atrocity committed by Muslims. Remember his article where refugee epidemic of rape is actually the German women's fault for being so slutty? No, Muslims never have any self will and any act of terrorism they do is always due to some false flag.

    Pitty, The Saker never defended Israeli Jews accused of stealing human organs.

    On Friday, Israel foreign ministry and European Jewish organization slammed German university HAWK for teaching students that Israeli Jews steal human organs from dead Palestinians.

    In fact, Israeli Jews have been caught in human harvesting industry in several countries around the world. Israel, in the past, been a center of human organ trafficking operation around the world. Israeli doctors have been caught in this billion dollar trade in Haiti, Madagascar, Kosva, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Chad, Nepal, and even in United States.

    Last year, Israel claimed a FATWA from ISIS Caliph Al-Baghdai, the French Jew, that stealing body parts of dead enemies is quite kosher.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/05/23/israelis-caught-in-organ-harvesting-again/

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    It is fascinating how the organ trafficking accusations are treated as such "blood libel".

    Let us say, for the ever increasing number of supremacist Israelis who wish to conquer and take all of Palestine, the Palestinians who reside there represent an enemy in the absolute sense.

    Moreover, the Palestinian refugees from what is now Israel, residing in Gaza , and wherever else,constitute a true demographic threat to the Jewish character of Israel, were they ever permitted to return to their homes.

    They, too ,constitute a threat to Israel in the absolute sense.

    So then, if the plan is to kill them if they will not accept their expulsion, why is it so unreasonable that Israelis might not seek to turn a profit from their deaths, by selling their organs once they are dead ?

    Where is it that this doesn't make sense ?

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  51. Rehmat says:

    I bet Saker knows the Russian history of faking false flag operations to demonize Muslims living under its barbaric rule for over three centuries.

    For example, on January 24, 2011 – Moscow’s new and busiest airport Domodedov was hit by a blast killing 35 people and injuring another 170. The authorities are not sure who could be behind the attack – and no group has taken responsibility for the attack. However, the media was quick to blame the Muslim separatist groups in the Caucasus and Chechnya who are fighting against Moscow for independence.

    Chechen freedom-fighters have become another phony Al-Qaeda scapegoat. The fact is that most peace initiatives have been sabotaged either by Putin or his rival, the Jewish multi-billionaire media tycon and politician, Boris Abramovich Berezovsky , who is wanted for arrest in both Russia and Brazil. Boris was a close friend of former KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko, who was poisoned with a lethal dose of radioactive Polonium-210 in a London sushi bar. Russian author, Paul Klebnikov has called Boris Berezovsky “Godfather of the Kremlin” in his 2000 book by the same name. Currently, Boris is reportedly backing the exiled Chechen politician Ahmed Zakayev, currently living in Britain.

    Could it be Boris using Israeli Mossad to demonize Putin further and sabotage his political power against Russian President Dmitri Medvedev or it was a Jewish vengeance against Russian support for a independent Palestinian State. Mossad holds world record when it comes to acts of terrorism and false-flag operations. Last year Moscow Metro bombing, according to Israel Shamir, was Israeli act of vengeance for Moscow’s support for Iran.

    Coincidently, I read an article published by Alex Jones, who is notorious for diverting public attention away from crimes committed by Zionists. In the article, titled “Moscow Airport Blasts: FSB False Flag, Anti-Putin Campaign Or Real Separatist Attack?” – the authors (Steve Watson and Paul Watson) claim that like many earlier terrorist attacks in Russia – the Moscow airport bombing was also work of the Russian security service, PSB.

    https://rehmat1.com/2011/01/26/moscow-airport-bombing-another-false-flag-operation/

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  52. Sid Falco says:

    “The IRA was “Roman Catholic” and yet nobody spoke of a “Catholic threat”. ”

    I stopped reading there. It’s the kind of lazy crap that people publish when they have no idea what they’re talking about.

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  53. KA says:
    @Vraja D
    There is a constant problem with parts of The Saker's views when it comes to the way he sees many events in a conspiratorial light which are usually much better explained in alternative ways. For example the idea that the various media circuses like the bathroom issues in America are a planned distraction, or the Black America issues, or refugee issues in Europe - as being used in a conspiracy to create more of a martial law environment. All of those various issues can each be explained in a more logical and sensible way due to the inherent nature of "crisis" in modern culture, whereby each crisis issue leads to a media reaction which stokes and inflames, thereby making each issue a vicious cycle which ends up with public demands of more involvement by government, police, and so on. Let me explain.

    The idea that all of the recent Muslims terror attacks were by nominal Muslims with mental problems, and therefore that means they were the products of a conspiracy to invoke a more hardcore police state environment in Europe and America, is quite a leap of faith in the official explanations and conjecture. We do not really know what is real or not about those specific Muslims - the reason is because there is a concerted effort by Muslims in positions of influence in the west (super wealthy oil wealth and politically connected) to divorce Islam from any blame to terror attacks. Therefore there is a lot of pressure they bring to bear on state and media to make the terrorists out to be "not really real Muslims."

    Also, there is the influence of "Manufactured Consent," which is the concept of how the media and also states or even business work based upon shared current conceptions or ideologies of "political-correctness" or what is seen as within the boundaries of acceptable views and words, along with seeking to please various constituencies - all together creates a self-imposed model of newspeak or manufactured consent. Those influences can seem conspiratorial when they are really self-imposed boundaries which leads to what looks like a common controlling influence of people, rather then the influence of the culture they all work within.

    Not that all conspiracy based views are necessarily wrong, it is just that manufactured consent *appears* so conspiratorial in nature that is easy to see conspiracy when all there is going on is self perpetuating limiting behavior based on shared values. For example: you say that all the current calls to more a militarized police state in Europe seems to have moved all the past focus on the economic problems of the EU off the media table. Is that planned? You suggest it is because of the supposed lack of piety of the Muslim terrorists or refugees.

    But it can explained another way - the refugees coming to Europe are desperate people, and many of them will of course have mental problems or cultural conditioning which makes their easy assimilation into European society be unlikely. For example in Muslim countries men are used to treating women in a certain way and getting away with it, so of course their all of a sudden desperate situation in Europe, combined with their machismo, can easily set them on the course to violence towards women, and people in general. That often manifests internally with their self-justification as "doing violence for Islam" since they have been taught by so many Muslim sources that it is justified to attack "the infidels," therefore they have an outlet for their violence that be written off as self-justified because "it is for Allah," when really they are just violence prone and or mentally ill to various degrees.

    The refugee problem *inherently* should lead to the current problems in the EU, which very predictably it has done so. And because it has, that has led many people in the EU to realize they have a big problem with potential violence, and the media very predictably reacts in order to gain views for their TV shows, or websites or news organizations and so on. The media values sensationalism, and they push the fear for reasons of selling their shows or website or papers, and that creates a feedback loop which manifests in the people becoming more fearful and suspicious and treating refugees worse, making the refugees more violent, creating a vicious cycle. This leads to demands of the governments to increase the police state. All very predictable and not needing any conspiracy.

    http://www.salon.com/2010/10/15/clinton_official_iraq_hugh_shelton/

    That was then .It was before 911 .Cabinet member of Clinton administration asked Army Joint Chief to consider flying U 2 plane low enough and get it shot by Saddam
    “aide, “Hugh, I know I shouldn’t even be asking you this, but what we really need in order to go in and take out Saddam is a precipitous event — something that would make us look good in the eyes of the world. Could you have one of our U-2s fly low enough — and slow enough — so as to guarantee that Saddam could shoot it down?”

    Shelton “responded, “Of course we can …” which prompted a big smile on the official’s face.

    “You can?” was the excited reply.

    “Why, of course we can,” I countered. “Just as soon as we get your ass qualified to fly it, I will have it flown just as low and slow as you want to go.”

    The official reeled back and immediately the smile disappeared. “I knew I should not have asked that….”

    “No, you should not have,” I strongly agreed, still shocked at the disrespect and sheer audacity of the question. “Remember, there is one of our great Americans flying that U-2, and you are asking me to intentionally send him or her to their death for an opportunity to kick Saddam. The last time I checked, we don’t operate like that here in America.”

    http://www.salon.com Oct 15,2010

    He or she wanted to make sure that America continued to look great while he or she was sacrificing a young man and start wars . Can terrorism have another name for the great swath of the clueless ? Hopefully they would then be able to spell a 3 letter based word: ‘ WAR’ and make peace with their dimwitted animal- instinct based conscience .

    Few years later Bush would suggest painting a plane and get the plane shot by Saddam .

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  54. @Sean the Neon Caucasian
    Yelling "false flag" is typically the cries of those filled with hot air.

    And one-sentence comments are mere farts of those who don’t have anything to say.

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  55. Boris says:

    And should we really dismiss all the innumerable witnesses who speak of “more than one shooter”?

    Yes. Most witnesses are terrible and these reports of multiple shooters happen even when there is video of the incident.

    What about the absolutely ridiculous police “overkill” when hundreds of policemen are sent in to deal with one single shooter. Does that not strike you as odd?

    You JUST WROTE that witnesses said there was more than one gunman. So, no, not odd at all.

    Am I the only one with the feeling that what is shown to us is a carefully choreographed show?

    There are many irrational conspiracy theorists out there.

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  56. alexander says:
    @Rehmat
    Pitty, The Saker never defended Israeli Jews accused of stealing human organs.

    On Friday, Israel foreign ministry and European Jewish organization slammed German university HAWK for teaching students that Israeli Jews steal human organs from dead Palestinians.

    In fact, Israeli Jews have been caught in human harvesting industry in several countries around the world. Israel, in the past, been a center of human organ trafficking operation around the world. Israeli doctors have been caught in this billion dollar trade in Haiti, Madagascar, Kosva, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Chad, Nepal, and even in United States.

    Last year, Israel claimed a FATWA from ISIS Caliph Al-Baghdai, the French Jew, that stealing body parts of dead enemies is quite kosher.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/05/23/israelis-caught-in-organ-harvesting-again/

    It is fascinating how the organ trafficking accusations are treated as such “blood libel”.

    Let us say, for the ever increasing number of supremacist Israelis who wish to conquer and take all of Palestine, the Palestinians who reside there represent an enemy in the absolute sense.

    Moreover, the Palestinian refugees from what is now Israel, residing in Gaza , and wherever else,constitute a true demographic threat to the Jewish character of Israel, were they ever permitted to return to their homes.

    They, too ,constitute a threat to Israel in the absolute sense.

    So then, if the plan is to kill them if they will not accept their expulsion, why is it so unreasonable that Israelis might not seek to turn a profit from their deaths, by selling their organs once they are dead ?

    Where is it that this doesn’t make sense ?

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    Just run over a Jew by your bike in the US, UK, France, Germany, or Australia - and you will get the answer to your question.
    , @in the middle
    Only a Satanist/Zionist would come up with such a reasoning! What, are you going to suggest next that the children of Palestinians get sacrificed to Moloch? You might be an atheist thinking that 'god' gave the whole of Canaan to other atheist Zionists!
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  57. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Orlando killer had ever visited that gay bar previously, nor had he solicited sex from other men as the media initially reported. All lies and attempts to suggest the killer was a lone psycho. Not true. And yes, the authorities are looking for accomplices.

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    I believe the wife, or ex-wife of the Orlando killer told everyone he was indeed gay and had been gay for years.

    Wasn't she threatened with some bogus allegation she would be arrested as his accomplice( who had purchased,for him, the weapons he used that night)....unless she did not shut her mouth on the gay issue ?

    So she shut it.


    Isn't this your recollection?

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  58. alexander says:
    @Epaminondas
    There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Orlando killer had ever visited that gay bar previously, nor had he solicited sex from other men as the media initially reported. All lies and attempts to suggest the killer was a lone psycho. Not true. And yes, the authorities are looking for accomplices.

    I believe the wife, or ex-wife of the Orlando killer told everyone he was indeed gay and had been gay for years.

    Wasn’t she threatened with some bogus allegation she would be arrested as his accomplice( who had purchased,for him, the weapons he used that night)….unless she did not shut her mouth on the gay issue ?

    So she shut it.

    Isn’t this your recollection?

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  60. biz says:

    The masochism of some Western Europeans and Americans in the face of the war that Muslims have declared on us, such as displayed in this article, is quite surprising. Islamists have declared war on our civilization – for some it is a shooting war, for some it is a demographic war, but none of them even have the courage to wear uniforms and have determined to use our own mores and freedoms against us, to great effect so far. In any case, the Islamist war on the West has nothing to do with Israel and it pre-dates the existence of Israel or even America.

    It also isn’t exclusively directed at the West – Islamic thugs in the South of Thailand regularly enter monasteries, behead the Buddhist priests, and display their bodies, and I don’t think even the author of this article can contort enough to blame that on Israel or America.

    Stop making excuses for them, and stop trying to cover up their atrocities.

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    @biz:. Thank you for your comment of common sense and historical accuracy.
    , @Talha
    Hey biz,

    Can you cite a source for the claim that it is a regular occurrence of Muslims entering monasteries and beheading monks? I'm not saying it's not true, many Muslims are sure acting like thugs, just would like a reference since it's the first time I'm hearing about it. anon referenced an incident in Indonesia, but that was just property damage/destruction.

    Peace.
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  61. Art says:

    The cui bono, of course, immediately points to those interests who desperately want the prop-up the shaky “Islamic threat” myth: the Zionists, of course, but also the Neocon elites in the USA and the EU.

    The Saker is 100% right – endlessly propagating the word “terrorism,” promoting actual terrorism, and false flag terrorism, is the main tool of advancement used by Jew Zionism and its MSM.

    Using the Stockholm syndrome, Jews terrorize people into supporting them.

    The world is being conned by a very evil tribe – end of story.

    As long as the Jew promote terrorism – there will be no peace for anyone.

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  62. […] When I think of the recent developments in the USA (Dallas shooting, Orlando shooting) and Europe (Nice, murdered priest, Germany shooting) I get this unpleasant feeling that something is not quite right. For one thing, the perpetrators are absolutely ridiculous: pseudo-Muslims who turn out to be drinking homosexuals, ex-patients of mental institutions – the kind of people I call “overnight Muslims”: they all make darn sure to say Allahu Akbar a number of times, but other than that, they have no sign of Islam at all. In fact, far from being trained Daesh fighters, they are all losers with weak personalities. Exactly the kind of people the special services (and religious sects) like to prey upon because they are weak and easy to manipulate. Oh yes, I know, the good folk a Daesh do end up claiming that the perpetrator is one of them, but that really proves nothing (except maybe that Daesh is desperate to increase its notoriety).   Read More […]

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  63. uslabor says:

    Okay SAKER, what part of the NCPIP should I read for the sake of this article? It is 98 pages of Government Speak, how about doing a brother a favor? Thanks.

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  64. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Discourse Dictatorship

    Info Monopoly or Infonopoly

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  65. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    Great post Saker,

    You really included a nice list of issues, I’m a little sorry to read miopic comments, that like usual focus on obscure things, and avoid the main points. One post by Ravulsky did expose that as a dialictic used by ”trolls”. By going for some tiny thing, they don’t give any credence, or it is ”zerosume game” and is just irritating, and thins out the commentary.

    I will make my comment short, hopefully resonant to the drift of Sakers essay:

    Stalin chased out the treasonous devious 5th column Trotskiests before they could work their intended purposes. Sometimes it takes a little paranoia to see whose really working against ya.

    But now they’re here, (Or their red pocadot diaper brats… ”) are here, in sheep’s clothing masquerading as neocon, or neolibs: affectionally termed (moderates).

    They’re not too moderate though in their radicality. No, because they are trying to destabilize the whole world now, they finally got to the international stage. They worked their way up into the positions of power in the west, where they are busy destroying it, and bringing to heel, (The home of the Brave, and sadly home of a huge shitload of clueless doofusses, led by MSM, about using the wrong toilets of all things! (etc. etc.)>

    I wonder if they will go beyond ”dual citizenship” and to have triple nationality, so that they can eventually retire to Israel, and to Russia, where their true homeland is. Israel, is a nice sunbelt for these ersatz Russians, after they wreck Florida and Cali etc.

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    Send them to Mexico, where their teacher was hacked to death, and well done by that Spaniard, and hopefully some more Spaniards find them there, and do the same thing they did to their beloved Lev Davídovich Bronstein , i.e. Trostky!
    , @NoseytheDuke
    geo, it's Revusky. I made the same error initially.
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  66. Alden says:
    @Talha
    Hey MP,

    the disco-Muslims
     
    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the 'West' for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys' starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared; lacking the background to distinguish the legitimate from extremist, they are easily led into an idealist/utopian vision in which they are guaranteed a quick fix for all their years of debauchery and a way to strike back at those who 'violated' them. This is an excellent analysis of issue by Nouman Ali Khan who is very actively involved in the Muslim youth in North America:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VitJM_6E74

    MI5 made very similar conclusions due to critical analysis of the background of British radicals and terrorists:
    "Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.

    [Pick a single handle and stick to it or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may get trashed.]

    The article you cited made sense until I saw it is from The Guardian

    There has not been a word of truth printed in The Guardian since it was taken over by the Bolsheviks around 1920.
    My relatives read that bolshi anti White Briton rag. They often cite it in conversations and the information they site is wrong wrong wrong.

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    I agree about the Grauniad's lack of regard for truth, but they aren't bolshy any more, if they ever were.

    Extreme Blairite, extreme neo-liberal centre, extreme SJW. extreme bleeding heart, extreme feminist, lately toying with going extreme pro-transgender (but the feminazi claque keep them from going all the way on that), extreme excuse makers for Islam, extreme anti native British, etc.

    Bolshy? If they were, why do they expend so much effort hating Corbyn?

    QED.

    Their white propagandists, particularly the women, are possibly THE single group most richly deserving to be stranded, late at night, on foot, deep in one of their beloved vibrant, diverse no-go zones, preferably dressed in their outfits most likely to be judged immodest.

    Unfortunately, it wouldn't work for many of the non-white ones, although it might for some of the women, if dressed 'immodestly'.

    Privileged hypocrites!
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  67. Rehmat says:
    @alexander
    It is fascinating how the organ trafficking accusations are treated as such "blood libel".

    Let us say, for the ever increasing number of supremacist Israelis who wish to conquer and take all of Palestine, the Palestinians who reside there represent an enemy in the absolute sense.

    Moreover, the Palestinian refugees from what is now Israel, residing in Gaza , and wherever else,constitute a true demographic threat to the Jewish character of Israel, were they ever permitted to return to their homes.

    They, too ,constitute a threat to Israel in the absolute sense.

    So then, if the plan is to kill them if they will not accept their expulsion, why is it so unreasonable that Israelis might not seek to turn a profit from their deaths, by selling their organs once they are dead ?

    Where is it that this doesn't make sense ?

    Just run over a Jew by your bike in the US, UK, France, Germany, or Australia – and you will get the answer to your question.

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    Who benefits? Releasing the wave of refugees was not a spontaneous phenomenon. Who paid for the trip, provided logistics and organized young men into marching groups recruiting them in camps in Turkey? Why do you think Trump knew to bring immigration issue into the forefront already in June 2015 before anybody knew that there will be a major refugee crisis in Europe? Why Orban of Hungary started building the fence ahead of time? The refugee wave attack was the third attempt by the usual suspects to bring Europeans together against Syria. The first was the poisonous gas in 2013 and the second was rolling out the Islamic State in winter 2014. But they did not work! The usual suspects did not get the no-fly zone in Syria and Assad did not get Gaddafi treatment. The usual suspects were in hurry because Russia was already preparing to move to Syria. They wanted to get a resolution for a no-fly zone in Syria and get confrontation in Syria with Iranian troops to derail the agreement that Obama worked out with Iran. But Merkel saved the situation by temporarily defusing the crisis by welcoming the refugees. It was a perfect application of Aikido. The force of the attack went into vacuum. And Putin moved in.

    False flag attacks became a big business and there are many contractors who can organize it for any state or against any state. Israel was the first country that mastered this new weapon. They have the know how. There are many benefits of terrorist attacks. Sometimes contradictory. They create fear and confusion among people and always send a message bad Arabs and Islam and good Israel and Jews. In France they can beef up the police state so they can fight the resistance to the neoliberal economic transition they are going through. They need France to get engaged in Syria. But Paris, November 2015 unintentionally brought France closer to Russia. This was not desired. So the shooting down of Su-24 by Nato member was arranged. All Nato countries had to close the ranks including France so her flirt with Russia was nipped in the bud. Attacks in Germany are clearly to undermine Merkel. Germany cannot be trusted and she is too powerful to the liking of the Zio-Anglo-Americans. Besides Europeans and Germans and French, in particular, are still way too sympathetic to Palestinians. So New Right has to be built up on fears of immigrants and Arab and Islam phobia. This New Right is pro Israel because Israel is a shining example of how to deal with Arabs and Islam. The New Right was defined by Breivik. The New Right will help to dismantle the welfare state. This is what neoliberals want. Brexit was the part of it. Zio-Anglo-Americans have a different plan for the world and they do not see Germany in it or at least Germany in its current shape and form. They always fear the possibility of Germany following the dictum of Bismarck: "The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia."

    You made some interesting and convincing points. Even if we make allowance for Libya not having a government to control its borders, it is still clear that these waves of thousands of immigrants are far from normal or spontaneous. Someone must be organizing. Also you made a point that the Hungarian Prime minster built the wall ahead of time. That is also very curious and fishy. The antagonism created against the refugees is so powerful as we can see from how the media dealt with the Hungarian policies toward refugees. Viktor Orban was not portrayed as a cruel and inhuman for leaving thousands of refugees drenched and hungry in no man’s land. Rather he is billed as the man who stood up for Europe! This false media portrayal gave Viktor Orban wrong ideas about his capacity that he started lecturing the European Union, an organization his country was allowed to join not that long ago. This positive portrayal of Hungary and its leadership created a domino effect where all Balkan states followed the Hungarian footsteps. Had the media attacked Viktor Orban for being cruel, he would have dismantled his walls, and no other country in the Balkans or elsewhere would have built a wall. Period. You are absolutely right about Brexit being part of this game. The British people were manipulated into leaving the EU. For example, nearly all the major British papers, and certainly all Rupert Murdoch’s media organs were wildly urging the public to leave the EU. This means Murdock and Co. do not want peaceful, united Europe with open borders. Rather they see fragmented, conflict-ridden Europe, where each country is at the throat of its neighbours as the good old days.

    Lastly, just in case you haven’t seen it, I would like to share with you, the Saker and all the readers interested in these issues an interesting piece titled “Jewish Self-destruction” also dealing with false flags, posted by someone using Thomas77 posted under Pat Buchanan’s article Philadelphia Vs Cleveland. I copied it below. It is comment #17, if you want to look the original post. Take a look.

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    July 30, 2016 at 6:58 am GMT • 800 Words

    Jewish Self-Destruction:

    The notion of the Jews being smart or intelligent doesn’t stand up to critical scrutiny. Being good at deception and swindling is one thing. However, failing to learn from history; cutting down the very branch you are sitting on; camping your family and children on the rails of an incoming train; blowing up America’s landmarks on a broad daylight; running down American citizens on bulldozers in front of the whole world; and still nonchalantly going about the business of running and ruling America, as if nothing has happened at all; and most idiotically, tying the fate of your entire Empire with all its banks and media networks on terror attacks and false-flag operations against America and Europe –attacks that everybody knows Israel is behind them—are no signs of intelligence, but of sheer stupidity!

    Powerful Jews in America are fully aware of this dirty war, and the false-flag operations that Israel is waging against America and Europe, but they do not stop them. Instead, they cover up Israel’s tracks, and use their powerful media tools to make the blame, always, stick on those hapless Muslims. Why is Israel doing this? In one word, it is the fear of democracy. That is, fear of democracy both in the Muslim World and in the West. In democracy numbers count. Even though Muslims do not control the big banks or large media organizations, they have one card that counts in democracy: the numbers. If Muslims, who displaced the Jews long ago as the second largest group after the Christians in every western country, are allowed to live in peace in the west, Israel will start facing a nightmare scenario: every western politician running for office will find an irresistible temptation to do the right thing, and stand up for justice, and support the Palestinian cause, and at the same time, win the large Muslim votes in his/her constituency. It is a win/win/ win situation.

    However, as soon as you enter the equation a terror attack blamed on Muslims, then all of a sudden, the potential of Muslims and the value of votes of millions of Muslims in America and Europe instantly goes to zero! Not only the votes of Muslims lose their value, but they become so poisonous that no western politician would dare to seek them, or even appear to want them. The attacks are that effective!

    Thus, it is to rob western Muslims their potential and the value of their votes, and scare and intimidate western politicians from engaging or helping Muslims or even seeking their help, and, hence, effectively remove Israel’s nightmare scenario that these terror attacks, and false-flag operations against America and Europe are waged. This terror war didn’t start now. It started with the first World Trade Center attack back 1993, which was blamed on a blind Muslim Sheikh and his handful followers. The accelerated manner in which these attacks are now waged in Germany, in France, in Belgium, and in the US, and in the other western countries that, in all likelihood, will start soon experiencing these same horrors, is intended to FORCE the hand of Western leaders to undertake a massive deportation or internment of Muslims in the West, so that the threat from Muslim votes, and, hence, Israel’s nightmare scenario would be permanently removed.

    However, since these terror attacks are no harmless games, but monumental crimes against the American people, against the European peoples, and against Muslims, these attacks not only will backfire, but their end result would create the opposite of what Israel intended: Christians and Muslims will be forced, by necessity, to come together and crush not just Israel, but the entire Jewish Empire once and for all. This is the only way in which the West, the Muslim World, and the entire humanity will find peace and stability.

    Had those powerful Jews in America and Europe stopped Israel from continuing these suicidal attacks, they would have saved millions of Jews in Israel from a certain calamity that is bound to be fall on them, and perhaps added some unknown years into Israel’s existence. And they would have saved the Jewish empire and its tens of trillions of dollars from falling into the dragnet created by Israel’s unspeakable crimes.

    By covering up Israel’s crimes and being complicit in her crimes, American and European Jews are not helping Israel at all. On the contrary they are pushing her into speedy self-destruction, and are destroying themselves in the process. Therefore, in all intents and purposes, Israel’s days are numbered. And so are those of Jewish empire.

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    Orban clearly had information on incoming "refugee" invasion. I think that Trump's handlers also had it. The chief intent behind the invasion was to create turmoil and rise of anti-muslim sentiments that would lead EU to go after ISIS and/or Assad and become active in American lead coalition. Merkel by not opposing the invasion unlike Orban temporarily diffused the conflict which gave Putin enough time to move into Syria before planned imposition of the no-fly zone by zio-anglo-americans. But the issue of refugees remain and can be played by various factions within the establishment of European countries as well as the external actors like that of Israel and US. The terrorists attacks in Belgium, France and Germany are part of that play.
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  69. @MarkU
    "Saker, you’re pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn’t matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don’t exist."

    So why are you reading this stuff? I don't go to places which publish what i consider to be lies or drivel. You won't find any comments by me on Fox news for example, life is just too short. So what are you doing here? money too good to resist? and while we are about it most of what you are saying is just lies and drivel (Russia invading Crimea and Donbass indeed)

    Mr. Mark, you indeed hit quartermaster in the head! hahahhaha, your response is so accurate that it needs no more praise.

    Yes, Russia invading Donbass, is so outlandish that if it was so, the Ukrainian Army would be history in that area. I believe that the Russian Army is a bad ass Army. I really have respect for the Russians, and I am telling you because I am a vet with 22 yrs of service. I see a lot of people who only types senseless words because they have no other things to do. I also believe that the the Russians are not our enemies, only made to look as such by ‘some hidden forces’ some where, deep in our national Gov. who have not America’s best interest at heart. Who will fight for America? who will fight the hidden adversaries hiding under cover of traitorous persons with double citizenship? I will never forget the PFE, teaching us to ‘think critically’ don’t confuse oranges and apples, etc. so here I do repeat it, THINK CRITICALLY, ANALYZE, who will benefit? who?

    thank you.

    V/R
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    Who will fight for America? who will fight the hidden adversaries hiding under cover of traitorous persons with double citizenship?
     
    Go ahead - you can say - JEW!
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  70. DaveE says:

    Until people grow enough courage to utter the words “Jewish Terrorism” nothing will change.

    The professors, the preachers, da’ gubbanint, the so-called “press” are too pathetic, cowardly and weak to be believed.

    Everybody knows. Few have the guts to speak it.

    For acts of extreme cowardice over the last 15 years, America fully deserves what the Jews have planned for us.

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  71. @edNels


    Great post Saker,

    You really included a nice list of issues, I'm a little sorry to read miopic comments, that like usual focus on obscure things, and avoid the main points. One post by Ravulsky did expose that as a dialictic used by ''trolls''. By going for some tiny thing, they don't give any credence, or it is ''zerosume game'' and is just irritating, and thins out the commentary.

    I will make my comment short, hopefully resonant to the drift of Sakers essay:


    Stalin chased out the treasonous devious 5th column Trotskiests before they could work their intended purposes. Sometimes it takes a little paranoia to see whose really working against ya.

    But now they're here, (Or their red pocadot diaper brats… '') are here, in sheep's clothing masquerading as neocon, or neolibs: affectionally termed (moderates).

    They're not too moderate though in their radicality. No, because they are trying to destabilize the whole world now, they finally got to the international stage. They worked their way up into the positions of power in the west, where they are busy destroying it, and bringing to heel, (The home of the Brave, and sadly home of a huge shitload of clueless doofusses, led by MSM, about using the wrong toilets of all things! (etc. etc.)>

    I wonder if they will go beyond ''dual citizenship'' and to have triple nationality, so that they can eventually retire to Israel, and to Russia, where their true homeland is. Israel, is a nice sunbelt for these ersatz Russians, after they wreck Florida and Cali etc.

    Send them to Mexico, where their teacher was hacked to death, and well done by that Spaniard, and hopefully some more Spaniards find them there, and do the same thing they did to their beloved Lev Davídovich Bronstein , i.e. Trostky!

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  72. @alexander
    It is fascinating how the organ trafficking accusations are treated as such "blood libel".

    Let us say, for the ever increasing number of supremacist Israelis who wish to conquer and take all of Palestine, the Palestinians who reside there represent an enemy in the absolute sense.

    Moreover, the Palestinian refugees from what is now Israel, residing in Gaza , and wherever else,constitute a true demographic threat to the Jewish character of Israel, were they ever permitted to return to their homes.

    They, too ,constitute a threat to Israel in the absolute sense.

    So then, if the plan is to kill them if they will not accept their expulsion, why is it so unreasonable that Israelis might not seek to turn a profit from their deaths, by selling their organs once they are dead ?

    Where is it that this doesn't make sense ?

    Only a Satanist/Zionist would come up with such a reasoning! What, are you going to suggest next that the children of Palestinians get sacrificed to Moloch? You might be an atheist thinking that ‘god’ gave the whole of Canaan to other atheist Zionists!

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  73. @biz
    The masochism of some Western Europeans and Americans in the face of the war that Muslims have declared on us, such as displayed in this article, is quite surprising. Islamists have declared war on our civilization - for some it is a shooting war, for some it is a demographic war, but none of them even have the courage to wear uniforms and have determined to use our own mores and freedoms against us, to great effect so far. In any case, the Islamist war on the West has nothing to do with Israel and it pre-dates the existence of Israel or even America.

    It also isn't exclusively directed at the West - Islamic thugs in the South of Thailand regularly enter monasteries, behead the Buddhist priests, and display their bodies, and I don't think even the author of this article can contort enough to blame that on Israel or America.

    Stop making excuses for them, and stop trying to cover up their atrocities.

    :. Thank you for your comment of common sense and historical accuracy.

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  74. Jon F says:

    The truth in an article is in direct proportion to the number of paid hasbara trolls who turn up in the comment section to undercut it.

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    If that is to be helpful infomation you must tell us

    1. Which are the paid hasbara commenters on this thread?

    2. How do you determine accurately which commenters are hasbara?

    3. How do you tell which hasbara commenters are paid?
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  75. @Stonehands
    Baloney Saker- keep slaughtering Muslims (because there is no more commie threat to fill the MIC coffers)
    ...See if they don't coordinate a genuine Tet-style offensive in retaliation on American soil.
    ...And while you are at it- keep grinding a stick in God's eye with your disgusting Homo Victory Parades, and State sponsored infanticide.
    Islam is a rod that God has raised to chastise the pansy men of the West, who are indifferent to pigs like Bruce Gender, who seeks to sexualize and recruit young children to his hellish behavior.

    I spoke with my neighbor, who told me that she hates the feminazation of males in the USA. How horrible it is to see males in the USA looking all effeminate! Woman dominated and weak. It is not natural at all, and it is causing ‘pigs’ like Bruce Gender to do what they do.
    The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing so what can effeminate males do? Just the regular response of most, ‘as long as it does not affect me’, is what i hear when I converse with others about the homo-sexualization of America . Yet, most refuse to see our degradation and the consequences that go with that.

    How truth it has become:

    Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, For what he deserves will be done to him. 12O My people! Their oppressors are children, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. 13The LORD arises to contend, And stands to judge the people.…Isaiah 3:12

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  76. Talha says:
    @biz
    The masochism of some Western Europeans and Americans in the face of the war that Muslims have declared on us, such as displayed in this article, is quite surprising. Islamists have declared war on our civilization - for some it is a shooting war, for some it is a demographic war, but none of them even have the courage to wear uniforms and have determined to use our own mores and freedoms against us, to great effect so far. In any case, the Islamist war on the West has nothing to do with Israel and it pre-dates the existence of Israel or even America.

    It also isn't exclusively directed at the West - Islamic thugs in the South of Thailand regularly enter monasteries, behead the Buddhist priests, and display their bodies, and I don't think even the author of this article can contort enough to blame that on Israel or America.

    Stop making excuses for them, and stop trying to cover up their atrocities.

    Hey biz,

    Can you cite a source for the claim that it is a regular occurrence of Muslims entering monasteries and beheading monks? I’m not saying it’s not true, many Muslims are sure acting like thugs, just would like a reference since it’s the first time I’m hearing about it. anon referenced an incident in Indonesia, but that was just property damage/destruction.

    Peace.

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    { Can you cite a source for the claim that it is a regular occurrence of Muslims entering monasteries and beheading monks?}

    Hey Talha:

    I Googled this phrase: “monks in thailand beheaded by muslims”

    It spit out a bunch of stuff.
    Now, I know and you know that there is a lot misinformation and disinformation on the web.
    But these don’t seem fake.
    Have a look-see: tell us what you think.

    [Posts tagged ‘Buddhists beheaded in southern Thailand’ ]
    https://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/tag/buddhists-beheaded-in-southern-thailand/
    { Meanwhile Sunai Phasuk, a political analyst at Human Rights Watch, commented that “Buddhist monks have been hacked to death, clubbed to death, bombed and burned to death.”}

    [Thai Buddhist beheaded, another shot in Muslim south]
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBKK434239
    {Suspected separatists beheaded a rubber tapper and shot dead a school janitor, both Buddhists, in the latest violence in Thailand's Muslim south, police said on Monday.}

    There are some other links with very graphic pictures of murdered, hacked people…. I chose not to include those.
    There is also language of Muslims being killed by unknown assailants.
    So, violence begets violence.

    But I believe there is a very violent segment in the Muslim population that moderate Muslims are afraid to confront and eliminate (…..I would be afraid too).

    The behaviour of some Muslims when Mohammad is insulted vs when Jesus Christ is insulted is vivid demonstration of the violent mentality.
    For me, no religious figure should ever be insulted. Not because I fear the violence, but because millions and millions of ordinary people believe in them and it gives them comfort when they face end of life. It is truly vile to do that to ordinary people.

    Jesus Christ has been placed in urine as "art" (sick).
    Charley Hebdo's vile insults to Christian beliefs are an order of magnitude more disgusting than the insult to Mohammad. Yet I don't know any Christian who has murdered anyone for insulting Jesus Christ.

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  77. @Talha
    Hey MP,

    the disco-Muslims
     
    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the 'West' for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys' starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared; lacking the background to distinguish the legitimate from extremist, they are easily led into an idealist/utopian vision in which they are guaranteed a quick fix for all their years of debauchery and a way to strike back at those who 'violated' them. This is an excellent analysis of issue by Nouman Ali Khan who is very actively involved in the Muslim youth in North America:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VitJM_6E74

    MI5 made very similar conclusions due to critical analysis of the background of British radicals and terrorists:
    "Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;

    Let me get this straight. You are saying you “have met some of these guys”… You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, “self-radicalized on the Internet“?

    You’ve met such people, you know them… Hmm….

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven’t interacted before. I follow this site and I’ve seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this “Talha” person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this “Talha” persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like “iffen” say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it’s a case of “You’re a better man than I, Gunga Dinn”. I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman…

    It’s very strange. Maybe it’s a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you’re just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, “Talha”, or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of “War on Terror” tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who “self-radicalized” on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following “true Islam”, that’s your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic “Uncle Tom”…) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, “Talha” is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I’m not at all sure. As I said, if “Talha” is a hoax, it’s a well constructed hoax. If I’m just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

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    "I am confused about all this"

    Yeah, you sure are.
    Just because you an emotional basket case, why would a Muslim female - who made it to the West, and who knows all too well that with every passing hour she's gaining in power and stature - be angry at the lashing out of the lost, impotent and diminishing natives...???

    When the opportune moment comes, Talha (or her progeny) will simply cut your (or your kids') head off, and thank Allah for the bounty. I bet you'll be "confused" until the very last moment.

    Why should she be angry?
    I'd be smiling or laughing all the time, if I was in her position.

    May peace be upon you (for now).
    , @alexander
    I have read a few threads by Tahla, but I generally passed them over (no offense Tahla)

    But having read your comment here I looked at Tahla's comment #26.

    I think you are right on point, Jonathan.

    The arguments Tahla makes are so,.... how should I say,..... "indoctrinated" ,they would strike any thinking person as suspicious.

    The same contrived patterning of alleged Muslim behavior that is so prevalent on the MSM, seems to ooze out of Tahla's commentary.

    I wonder what Tahla's response will be.
    , @iffen
    Being paranoid doesn't prevent you from being an ignorant dickhead.
    , @iffen
    Just horrible shills and trolls, people like “iffen” say.

    Not only are you an ignorant dickhead, you can't even write coherent sentences.
    , @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I can see where the confusion is; I should have been more clear since my words can be misinterpreted - I have known some Muslims who have started on the path of repentance and looked to blame others (like the 'West') for their own prior deficiencies NOT those who have then subsequently made the hop to becoming radicalized. If I did know someone who had gone over the edge, I would call the authorities as I believe it is my duty. When I encounter people like this who are sincerely trying to change themselves, I try my best to get them on track with traditional Orthodox scholars and even a Sufi order (if they are open to that route) so they do not get side-tracked by the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists. One of my spiritual teachers has talked a man out of a suicide attack, but that was in Pakistan where a lot of those happen.

    As to your other concerns...

    Yes, I'm a Muslim and quite real - Qasim can vouch for me - we have interacted outside of UR.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them.
     

    I do get upset (this is natural), but I do not react in kind - this is what I have learned at the feet of my teachers. I will be asked about what I have done in life, others will be asked about what they have done. But I do have limits - in fact, I have told people that I will continue dialog as long as it maintains a modicum of civility; and I have politely called it quits when people have resorted to ad hominem attacks and outright juvenile behavior - I care not to be anyone's punching bag - "Homie don't play that". Shouldn't civility be encouraged and cultivated? Do we want the vitriol and inanity that passes for 'interaction' on most forums to be the norm?

    To be completely honest; what has upset me the most are some of the postings by 'Rehmat' - which I tried to advise him against - that lead to people lashing back and denigrating the Prophet (pbuh) - that stuff really hurts.


    Maybe it’s a result of your Sufi spiritual practice
     
    Look, I have been training for more than a decade under teachers of the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi order to get my ego under control. If I lose my composure due to someone's rantings on an anonymous forum, I should just call my teachers and call it quits; there is no hope for me. It is very simple:
    "And We have made some of you as trial for others - will you not have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing." 25:20

    And, honestly, where would it get me anyway in the discourse? Ask yourself, does anybody listen to whoever 'Rehmat' is?

    And I will say this; if someone angers or wrongs you - force yourself to pray for them and their family and all the good things you can ask for them - you will doubtfully ever make a more sincere, selfless prayer.


    Like, now, you say you personally know people who “self-radicalized” on the Internet
     
    That was a mistaken interpretation - sorry if I gave you that impression.

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims.
     
    I have my doubt as to the details, but I know there are Muslims out there that can indeed be radicalized. My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me - in shock - that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever. I can also believe it because this stuff is happening in the Muslim world - extremists have shot up a school of kids in Pakistan, they do launch suicide attacks in Shiah mosques and funeral processions, and on and on. Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?

    There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.
     
    I was actually in direct contact with Michael Ruppert after 9/11 (helped disseminate his videos in the LA area) and I have grave misgivings about it and almost all the other incidents (how could a small Pakistani woman be mistakenly profiled by eye witnesses as a tall athletic male - as in San Bernadino). I do think there is a legitimate case to be made that many of these people are being led in a specific direction by radicals and then certain agencies are taking advantage of foreknowledge to let events occur in a controlled manner in order to benefit (there are billions of dollars at stake). But, I do not know and I don't think we'll ever know the full truth. Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick - it is what you are good at, not me. Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don't believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims. I believe you have your duty in the grand scheme to help end this violence and bloodshed, as do I and our roles are not the same.

    I'm not an Islamic “Uncle Tom” (I have little desire to be a 'house nigger' - if I am not a benefit to the people of the US; send me back, I'll happily live my life growing old, doing dhikr and answering the adhan) - I have come to UR because I was very interested in LewRockwell.com and this site shared many of the same authors. I read the comments and saw so many nonsense and ignorant comments about Islam and Muslims that I had to speak up and challenge some people's assumptions. At times I regret doing so, but I believe some have come to appreciate my input here - whether they agree with my conclusions - at least they can see what goes on in the head of a Muslim that comes from a traditional Sunni Orthodox position in contrast to all the stuff Daesh and their ilk put out - since they are the loudest voices these days. It is also the reason why I vigorously cite any claims I make.

    If you're in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants - my treat.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    It hadn't previously seemed to me that Talha was other than what the eponymous writer claimed to be. But the comprehensiveness of the replies does suggest that might not be true.

    Still I don't detect dishonesty or stupidity (it not being stupid to profess a belief in a theistic creator god I reluctantly assert) and it provides compensation for time wasted on the idiocies of Rehmat.

    Is Rehmat, as suggested in one coment, an artefact of an intelligence service? If so which? I opt for Iranian because there is a side benefit to its coming over as idiotic, namely that Sunni Pakistan will probably be blamed because there has been a claim of Pakistani origin in at least some Rehmat comments.
    , @5371
    So because Talha doesn't get angry on the internet and doesn't have a screw loose in the same place as you, he can't be real. You win a prize for something, Jonny Rev, but it ain't self-awareness.
    , @Sam Shama
    You are a mean-spirited, confused mouth-breather. But the readership already knew that; so what compelled you to belabour the point?

    The calm and reasoned scholarly posts from Talha apparently.
    [I really do hope you don't get to write another long witless post, devoid of any literary appeal]
    , @Anonymous
    [Using multiple handles to disguise your identity is not problem. Pick one and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon.]

    Thank you JR. I think you have exposed Talha! He says he is Pakistani. But he could be a Pakistani Jew, you know. One thing is for sure. His comments don't read at all as someone who in the least cares about Muslims. He says Qasim knows him. But who is Qasim? His writing reflects his feelings and who he is. If he doesn't care about Muslims, as JR clearly underlined, he is obviously faking it. Good job, JR.
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  78. @Jon F
    The truth in an article is in direct proportion to the number of paid hasbara trolls who turn up in the comment section to undercut it.

    If that is to be helpful infomation you must tell us

    1. Which are the paid hasbara commenters on this thread?

    2. How do you determine accurately which commenters are hasbara?

    3. How do you tell which hasbara commenters are paid?

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    1. Which are the paid hasbara commenters on this thread?

    2. How do you determine accurately which commenters are hasbara?

    3. How do you tell which hasbara commenters are paid?
     
    Wiz,

    Everyone who defends Israel is hasbara (paid or unpaid) – hasbara is lying propaganda that intimidates people. In order to defend Israel, you have to be a liar.

    No honest person can defend what Israel is doing to Palestine. What Israel is doing is a clear case of mass theft.

    You are part of the hasbara stench – at every turn you add to The Stain of Palestine that engulfs the Jew people. Shame - shame - shame!

    Art
    , @iffen
    If he gets all three of these down, can you get him to find out why my paycheck was short 20 shekels last month?
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  79. @Anonymous

    the “Communist threat”
     
    was more real than real in Italy, for decades. To prevent communists from grabbing power Gladio operations were not the only step taken.
    Aldo Moro was assassinated, too (He was a leader of the centre leaning to the left, and pushed for a Centre-Communist Party share of governance).

    Despite all this, extremist communism, very very real, was a threat and a huge problem for Italian society for decades.
    They would almost certainly have taken the power with force, weren't if for the illegal meddling on the USA's part. They did it in an anti-USSR function, Italy was luckier than lucky that they did.

    Everytime I see an Anglo-Saxon speak ill of Gladio and other alike operations, I realize ANglo-Saxon, unlike Italians, have never had a serious taste of Communism, and Communists, when they are 30% of society, and you have 30% of "public opinion" and what's worst 40% or 50% of "public opinion makers" (big journalists, professors of humanities and arts) saying that private property is a crime.

    We already have a Constitution resounding like those of People's Republics :)) And you wanted us to be GLADIO-less and USA-less on top of all our predicament?

    No Empire can do only wrongs, no serious picture of an Empire will be all-negative.

    The USA is an enormous cluster**** of centrally planned shyster lawyer protocols and procedures.

    Nanny State interventionists who have more regard for fighting communism in Italy- than at home- would do well to remove the plank from their own eye…

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  80. Avery says:
    @Talha
    Hey biz,

    Can you cite a source for the claim that it is a regular occurrence of Muslims entering monasteries and beheading monks? I'm not saying it's not true, many Muslims are sure acting like thugs, just would like a reference since it's the first time I'm hearing about it. anon referenced an incident in Indonesia, but that was just property damage/destruction.

    Peace.

    { Can you cite a source for the claim that it is a regular occurrence of Muslims entering monasteries and beheading monks?}

    Hey Talha:

    I Googled this phrase: “monks in thailand beheaded by muslims”

    It spit out a bunch of stuff.
    Now, I know and you know that there is a lot misinformation and disinformation on the web.
    But these don’t seem fake.
    Have a look-see: tell us what you think.

    [Posts tagged ‘Buddhists beheaded in southern Thailand’ ]

    https://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/tag/buddhists-beheaded-in-southern-thailand/

    { Meanwhile Sunai Phasuk, a political analyst at Human Rights Watch, commented that “Buddhist monks have been hacked to death, clubbed to death, bombed and burned to death.”}

    [Thai Buddhist beheaded, another shot in Muslim south]

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBKK434239

    {Suspected separatists beheaded a rubber tapper and shot dead a school janitor, both Buddhists, in the latest violence in Thailand’s Muslim south, police said on Monday.}

    There are some other links with very graphic pictures of murdered, hacked people…. I chose not to include those.
    There is also language of Muslims being killed by unknown assailants.
    So, violence begets violence.

    But I believe there is a very violent segment in the Muslim population that moderate Muslims are afraid to confront and eliminate (…..I would be afraid too).

    The behaviour of some Muslims when Mohammad is insulted vs when Jesus Christ is insulted is vivid demonstration of the violent mentality.
    For me, no religious figure should ever be insulted. Not because I fear the violence, but because millions and millions of ordinary people believe in them and it gives them comfort when they face end of life. It is truly vile to do that to ordinary people.

    Jesus Christ has been placed in urine as “art” (sick).
    Charley Hebdo’s vile insults to Christian beliefs are an order of magnitude more disgusting than the insult to Mohammad. Yet I don’t know any Christian who has murdered anyone for insulting Jesus Christ.

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    Hey Avery,

    Ditto for your feelings on the public denigration of our mutual Master, the Son of Mary (pbuh) - I get deeply disturbed when people insult him like that. But, we live in a secular society - so, anything goes in that realm - not much you can do except pray that people change. And you are right about the Muslim reaction to the insults; it also disturbs me - some fool draws a picture in Denmark and then a couple churches get burned down in Lahore - what...the...hell?

    And thanks for the other references; according to the article there does seem to be some shooting of Muslims that kicked events off and now it seems it's in some despicable downward revenge spiral. I do know that in next-door Burma, extremist Buddhists have been violently displacing a Musllim minority name the Rohingyas:
    "...more than a million people in Burma are facing state-sponsored genocide, according to a new report...The Rohingya Muslim community of the military-dominated Southeast Asian nation, which is now officially known as Myanmar, has been systematically persecuted and expunged from the national narrative — often at the behest of powerful extremist groups from the country’s majority Buddhist population and even government authorities — to the point where complete extermination is a possibility, according to a damning new study by the International State Crime Initiative (ISCI) at the Queen Mary University of London. 'The Rohingya face the final stages of genocide,' concludes the report."
    http://time.com/4089276/burma-rohingya-genocide-report-documentary/
    "The report also raises the possibility that the pattern of violations against the Rohingya may amount to crimes against humanity."
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54268#.V57aGPkrJhE

    I am wondering if this is all related and there is a simmering low-level, tit-for-tat communal violence playing out between the Buddhists and Muslims of that general area because of all these various factors.

    Peace.
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  81. attonn says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    “I am confused about all this”

    Yeah, you sure are.
    Just because you an emotional basket case, why would a Muslim female – who made it to the West, and who knows all too well that with every passing hour she’s gaining in power and stature – be angry at the lashing out of the lost, impotent and diminishing natives…???

    When the opportune moment comes, Talha (or her progeny) will simply cut your (or your kids’) head off, and thank Allah for the bounty. I bet you’ll be “confused” until the very last moment.

    Why should she be angry?
    I’d be smiling or laughing all the time, if I was in her position.

    May peace be upon you (for now).

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    Yeah, you sure are.
    Just because you an emotional basket case, why would a Muslim female
     
    "Talha" is a man's name.

    Regardless, you are not Talha. Why not let him/her/it explain what is going on?
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  82. Art says:
    @in the middle
    Mr. Mark, you indeed hit quartermaster in the head! hahahhaha, your response is so accurate that it needs no more praise.

    Yes, Russia invading Donbass, is so outlandish that if it was so, the Ukrainian Army would be history in that area. I believe that the Russian Army is a bad ass Army. I really have respect for the Russians, and I am telling you because I am a vet with 22 yrs of service. I see a lot of people who only types senseless words because they have no other things to do. I also believe that the the Russians are not our enemies, only made to look as such by 'some hidden forces' some where, deep in our national Gov. who have not America's best interest at heart. Who will fight for America? who will fight the hidden adversaries hiding under cover of traitorous persons with double citizenship? I will never forget the PFE, teaching us to 'think critically' don't confuse oranges and apples, etc. so here I do repeat it, THINK CRITICALLY, ANALYZE, who will benefit? who?


    thank you.

    V/R
    \
    in the middle

    Who will fight for America? who will fight the hidden adversaries hiding under cover of traitorous persons with double citizenship?

    Go ahead – you can say – JEW!

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  83. Biff says:

    This is how our leaders want us: terrified, confused and, above all, distracted.

    All you need to know.

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  84. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    If that is to be helpful infomation you must tell us

    1. Which are the paid hasbara commenters on this thread?

    2. How do you determine accurately which commenters are hasbara?

    3. How do you tell which hasbara commenters are paid?

    1. Which are the paid hasbara commenters on this thread?

    2. How do you determine accurately which commenters are hasbara?

    3. How do you tell which hasbara commenters are paid?

    Wiz,

    Everyone who defends Israel is hasbara (paid or unpaid) – hasbara is lying propaganda that intimidates people. In order to defend Israel, you have to be a liar.

    No honest person can defend what Israel is doing to Palestine. What Israel is doing is a clear case of mass theft.

    You are part of the hasbara stench – at every turn you add to The Stain of Palestine that engulfs the Jew people. Shame – shame – shame!

    Art

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  85. alexander says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    I have read a few threads by Tahla, but I generally passed them over (no offense Tahla)

    But having read your comment here I looked at Tahla’s comment #26.

    I think you are right on point, Jonathan.

    The arguments Tahla makes are so,…. how should I say,….. “indoctrinated” ,they would strike any thinking person as suspicious.

    The same contrived patterning of alleged Muslim behavior that is so prevalent on the MSM, seems to ooze out of Tahla’s commentary.

    I wonder what Tahla’s response will be.

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    any thinking person as suspicious.

    Pretty much leaves you on the outside looking in, doesn't it?
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  86. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    Being paranoid doesn’t prevent you from being an ignorant dickhead.

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  87. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey MP,

    the disco-Muslims
     
    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the 'West' for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys' starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared; lacking the background to distinguish the legitimate from extremist, they are easily led into an idealist/utopian vision in which they are guaranteed a quick fix for all their years of debauchery and a way to strike back at those who 'violated' them. This is an excellent analysis of issue by Nouman Ali Khan who is very actively involved in the Muslim youth in North America:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VitJM_6E74

    MI5 made very similar conclusions due to critical analysis of the background of British radicals and terrorists:
    "Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation."
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Peace.

    Talha,

    You need to have an altar call for the benefit of these guys.

    Come to Jesus on your knees and repent of your sins, all is forgiven.

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    Hey iffen,

    The fact that these guys don't know about the similar deal in Islam, namely:
    "The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin." - reported in Ibn Majah

    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven't gotten this message to enough Muslims who want to turn their lives around (and think they need to commit violence as some sort of expurgation) is a shame on us.

    Peace.
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  88. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    If that is to be helpful infomation you must tell us

    1. Which are the paid hasbara commenters on this thread?

    2. How do you determine accurately which commenters are hasbara?

    3. How do you tell which hasbara commenters are paid?

    If he gets all three of these down, can you get him to find out why my paycheck was short 20 shekels last month?

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    I think it may be short this month , iffen,

    because King Bibi is waiting on the next 3.5 billion " cashiers check" from our US Treasury which is (now) 21 TRILLION in debt.
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  89. All the inner-establishment strategy, the mothership that is orchestrating all this, is to fractionate the original threat into the multi-threat as Islam, communism, multiculturalism, and in the end, they all have a specific function it is subservient to the mothership/mother-cell. The main purpose is to disperse the opposition forces in different fronts. Older than Constantinople.

    From the beginning ()(they)() (anglo-zio or zio-anglo if you prefer) already knew they could not go toe to toe with the original western, aka, white Europeans and their descendants.

    Facing force with force would inevitably result in the annihilation of a nation-dwarf as international judea. So it was necessary to focus on the weaknesses of the European giant. And weaknesses are not necessarily the supposed pathological altruism, which is an effect, not the cause. The main cause of any empire decadence or weaknesses is that its population, early highly exploited, was deceived early and nurtured in the constant and growing alienation caused by self-centeredness, a feeling of invincibility + ignorance, to believe in silly stories like biblical THAN try to think rational and individually/independently.

    The capitalist/enslavegist modus operandi is to impersonate itself as if it were ‘THE’ people, as if were your inner voice, your desires. Capitalism clings to the desires of your audience.

    The old white racism was to nurture a culture of invincibility and contempt for foreign cultures.

    The psychopath when s’he want to conquer a person first s’he tells in the ear of your prey exaggerated praises, but closer to the truth. The psychopath leaves its victim open your heart voluntarily. So when s’he get the keys to its heart, s’he shall command her/him.

    the clever/astute always anticipate to others, the know quickly and interfere in the ”natural” progress of the stuff.

    One of the most important psychological gun used in western disaster hemisphery is

    emotional blackmail

    so called ”pathological altruism”

    and worst

    with REAL stupid things that already were done by ”’whiteman”

    Many ‘useful idiots” are really good people who are doing really ” good ” things, but that kind of action: solving one one problem causing other problems.

    They are ideal pitchman because they are often absolute believers of the moronic vague government propaganda.

    literally, ” wolf in sheep’s clothing ‘.

    the useful idiot as’ ‘the government’

    ” Our elites” are stupid, see what they are doing …

    our elites = useful idiots

    but in the true

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  90. iffen says:
    @alexander
    I have read a few threads by Tahla, but I generally passed them over (no offense Tahla)

    But having read your comment here I looked at Tahla's comment #26.

    I think you are right on point, Jonathan.

    The arguments Tahla makes are so,.... how should I say,..... "indoctrinated" ,they would strike any thinking person as suspicious.

    The same contrived patterning of alleged Muslim behavior that is so prevalent on the MSM, seems to ooze out of Tahla's commentary.

    I wonder what Tahla's response will be.

    any thinking person as suspicious.

    Pretty much leaves you on the outside looking in, doesn’t it?

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    The outside of what ?
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  91. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    Just horrible shills and trolls, people like “iffen” say.

    Not only are you an ignorant dickhead, you can’t even write coherent sentences.

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  92. alexander says:
    @iffen
    If he gets all three of these down, can you get him to find out why my paycheck was short 20 shekels last month?

    I think it may be short this month , iffen,

    because King Bibi is waiting on the next 3.5 billion ” cashiers check” from our US Treasury which is (now) 21 TRILLION in debt.

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  93. @attonn
    "I am confused about all this"

    Yeah, you sure are.
    Just because you an emotional basket case, why would a Muslim female - who made it to the West, and who knows all too well that with every passing hour she's gaining in power and stature - be angry at the lashing out of the lost, impotent and diminishing natives...???

    When the opportune moment comes, Talha (or her progeny) will simply cut your (or your kids') head off, and thank Allah for the bounty. I bet you'll be "confused" until the very last moment.

    Why should she be angry?
    I'd be smiling or laughing all the time, if I was in her position.

    May peace be upon you (for now).

    Yeah, you sure are.
    Just because you an emotional basket case, why would a Muslim female

    “Talha” is a man’s name.

    Regardless, you are not Talha. Why not let him/her/it explain what is going on?

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  94. […] Read more: False Flags Fluttering in the Empire’s Hot Air […]

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  95. alexander says:
    @iffen
    any thinking person as suspicious.

    Pretty much leaves you on the outside looking in, doesn't it?

    The outside of what ?

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    Uh oh - I think you just took the bait...
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  96. @edNels


    Great post Saker,

    You really included a nice list of issues, I'm a little sorry to read miopic comments, that like usual focus on obscure things, and avoid the main points. One post by Ravulsky did expose that as a dialictic used by ''trolls''. By going for some tiny thing, they don't give any credence, or it is ''zerosume game'' and is just irritating, and thins out the commentary.

    I will make my comment short, hopefully resonant to the drift of Sakers essay:


    Stalin chased out the treasonous devious 5th column Trotskiests before they could work their intended purposes. Sometimes it takes a little paranoia to see whose really working against ya.

    But now they're here, (Or their red pocadot diaper brats… '') are here, in sheep's clothing masquerading as neocon, or neolibs: affectionally termed (moderates).

    They're not too moderate though in their radicality. No, because they are trying to destabilize the whole world now, they finally got to the international stage. They worked their way up into the positions of power in the west, where they are busy destroying it, and bringing to heel, (The home of the Brave, and sadly home of a huge shitload of clueless doofusses, led by MSM, about using the wrong toilets of all things! (etc. etc.)>

    I wonder if they will go beyond ''dual citizenship'' and to have triple nationality, so that they can eventually retire to Israel, and to Russia, where their true homeland is. Israel, is a nice sunbelt for these ersatz Russians, after they wreck Florida and Cali etc.

    geo, it’s Revusky. I made the same error initially.

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  97. joe webb says:

    more nutty stuff from the sacker. One million Migrants and their thousands of crimes….just a put-up job by the jews, and so on.

    The claim that the muzzies that we have learned something about, the terrorists… are just badly adjusted nut jobs…proves that they have been recruited by the jews , or us, or Russia, or, or, or…is nutty. All muslims like most Arabs are nut cases. Low intelligence and impulsive, just like our darling darkies.

    The truth is the the jews started it with Israel ( and earlier ) and that The French and Englishs and Spanish may have planted the dynamite with their barbaric colonialism but the jews laid some more social and political dynamite down and lit all the fuses…bang…and we got 20 years of The Jewish Wars and now a muslim 50 million in Europe, compliments of white liberals hornschwagled by more jews writing the books of race equality.

    Just keeps going on and on. Do the Jews want to wreck western civilization too?

    Joe Webb

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    [Do the Jews want to wreck western civilization too?]

    No Joe, we are saving Western Civ from itself and making it in the image G'd wanted it, in the first place. Its Tikkun Olam, and people like you are going to help us do it.
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  98. joe webb says:

    PS, the sacker is a Negro lover and so on. He Believes as a good christian that god loves everybody and made us all equal. Ergo, the Arabs can be regarded psychologically as more or less like Whites. Big mistake. Ditto regarding the lesser races with room temperature IQs. They are very different.

    Even the north east Asians who are as smart as Whites, and a tad smarter, are given to magical thinking, gambling, zero democratic political thinking, and are simply totalitarian, totally social, with no political sense in the European sense of politics.

    The whole world, or all the races except Whites are totalitarian or chaotic. Nobody has invented liberty and free speech, etc. except we Whites.

    The sacker is a total fool for Universal luv. Nut job, fruitcake, one-worlders, interchangeable parts, we are all equal, no discrimination , no ability to perceive Difference. Anti-genetics as well, a real cave man liberal commie type of social justice warrior, old type of Christian Fool.

    Joe Webb

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    Hey - you're back! We missed you man!

    What's reading UNZ without old JW ranting about the Jews and gleefully smacking his lips about the upcoming race war??!!

    Me and Sam (aka 'Kyke-boy') Shama thought maybe you hooked up with an attractive Black female and changed your tune.

    Glad you're OK!
    Peace
    , @Anonymous
    When someone starts hurling insults on blacks, Mexicans, Arabs and other minorities for no apparent reason, as you are doing here, and tries to pass as a white racist, more often than not, it is a Jew trying to push whites into useless wars against minorities, while he, and he alone, controls the rein of the country forever and ever. These distractions will no longer work for you.
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  99. Che Guava says:
    @Ximenes
    In the terror wave sweeping the West, there does seem to be an uncanny continuity in the acts committed by ISIS sympathizers, angry Blacks (Dallas), racist white losers (Dylan Roof), psychotic white losers (Aurora), etc. The terror reminds me of a mostly forgotten period in history, Russia in the late 19th century, when also the main targets were policemen, and the perpetrators were mostly said to be 'Anarchists.' The violence did not culminate in anarchy, however, but in its opposite, in the complete totalitarianism of the Bolshevik/Soviet state.

    Does anyone have any suggestions for a good book covering the last few decades of Czarist rule? I think we are re-living that, given that so many of the descendants of the original Bolsheviks migrated out of the Soviet Union after WWII and settled in the good old USA.

    Dostoyevsky’s The Devils is a work of fiction, but it is an interesting portrayal, and clearly drawn much from life in parts. G.W. Bush paraphrased lines from one of its characters in one of his early neocon speeches.

    Bukharin’s incomplete memoir How It All Began has some interesting parts about rural life (from the viewpoint of a child of relative privilege) and anecdotes from the period when SDLP members (later Bolsheviks and Mensheviks) were still happily socialising with anarchists and what later became the SRs, among other things.

    Presumably, most of what was completely destroyed dealt with early Bolshevism. I’d love to read the missing parts, they may even have included a tale of the early exploits of Koba (Stalin)
    and Koma (have never read his real or later assumed name, either he died young or his later history had to be completely written out).

    Interesting that Stalin couldn’t bear to just destroy the whole thing.

    The early parts of A History of Modern Russia by Service have a good account of the period from the turn of the century to Lenin’s coup d’etat and, from there, to the end of the civil war.

    I suppose you mean the period from the Decembrists through the emancipation of the serfs to the coup or the end of the civil war (almost a century). Read widely on it, but not in a single work where that was the sole focus.

    Strongly recommend the above three.

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  100. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What boils my blood is: why believes in Islamic extremism and Man-made Climate Change make people smarter while believes anything else(that’s aren’t left-right issues) makes people stupid?

    and come on! there’s bigger threats to our world and that’s Illuminati and Anunnaki

    not to mention the reason I (inevitably) trivializes what’s so called “Real Life Issues” is: they’re ultimate Weapon of Mass Distraction

    also I’m sick with anyone that believes other than Mainstream View of the World being branded “Terrorists” just like those that makes Fanworks branded as “Pirates” by new Copyright law

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  101. Konga says:

    This article is high level, as usual. The Saker gets the true picture, as usual. But please delete the two last paragraphs, leave them to be dealt with in a different article.

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  102. Konga says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Does anyone know how Richard Gutjahr, the German photojournalist married to an Israeli Jew ex-Mossad agent, knew how to be at the exact Munich location and to film at exactly the spot the shooting would start?

    Sounds a bit odd, don't you think?

    Or was he there, like his Mossad buddies were on 9/11, to 'document the event?'

    One of these days, Americans are going to wake up and realize who the real enemy is and it's not chanting Muslims.

    You forgot to ask why the same guy was well placed days before in Nice to film the truck when it started moving.

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  103. Che Guava says:
    @Alden
    [Pick a single handle and stick to it or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may get trashed.]

    The article you cited made sense until I saw it is from The Guardian

    There has not been a word of truth printed in The Guardian since it was taken over by the Bolsheviks around 1920.
    My relatives read that bolshi anti White Briton rag. They often cite it in conversations and the information they site is wrong wrong wrong.

    I agree about the Grauniad’s lack of regard for truth, but they aren’t bolshy any more, if they ever were.

    Extreme Blairite, extreme neo-liberal centre, extreme SJW. extreme bleeding heart, extreme feminist, lately toying with going extreme pro-transgender (but the feminazi claque keep them from going all the way on that), extreme excuse makers for Islam, extreme anti native British, etc.

    Bolshy? If they were, why do they expend so much effort hating Corbyn?

    QED.

    Their white propagandists, particularly the women, are possibly THE single group most richly deserving to be stranded, late at night, on foot, deep in one of their beloved vibrant, diverse no-go zones, preferably dressed in their outfits most likely to be judged immodest.

    Unfortunately, it wouldn’t work for many of the non-white ones, although it might for some of the women, if dressed ‘immodestly’.

    Privileged hypocrites!

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  104. Talha says:
    @Avery
    { Can you cite a source for the claim that it is a regular occurrence of Muslims entering monasteries and beheading monks?}

    Hey Talha:

    I Googled this phrase: “monks in thailand beheaded by muslims”

    It spit out a bunch of stuff.
    Now, I know and you know that there is a lot misinformation and disinformation on the web.
    But these don’t seem fake.
    Have a look-see: tell us what you think.

    [Posts tagged ‘Buddhists beheaded in southern Thailand’ ]
    https://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/tag/buddhists-beheaded-in-southern-thailand/
    { Meanwhile Sunai Phasuk, a political analyst at Human Rights Watch, commented that “Buddhist monks have been hacked to death, clubbed to death, bombed and burned to death.”}

    [Thai Buddhist beheaded, another shot in Muslim south]
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBKK434239
    {Suspected separatists beheaded a rubber tapper and shot dead a school janitor, both Buddhists, in the latest violence in Thailand's Muslim south, police said on Monday.}

    There are some other links with very graphic pictures of murdered, hacked people…. I chose not to include those.
    There is also language of Muslims being killed by unknown assailants.
    So, violence begets violence.

    But I believe there is a very violent segment in the Muslim population that moderate Muslims are afraid to confront and eliminate (…..I would be afraid too).

    The behaviour of some Muslims when Mohammad is insulted vs when Jesus Christ is insulted is vivid demonstration of the violent mentality.
    For me, no religious figure should ever be insulted. Not because I fear the violence, but because millions and millions of ordinary people believe in them and it gives them comfort when they face end of life. It is truly vile to do that to ordinary people.

    Jesus Christ has been placed in urine as "art" (sick).
    Charley Hebdo's vile insults to Christian beliefs are an order of magnitude more disgusting than the insult to Mohammad. Yet I don't know any Christian who has murdered anyone for insulting Jesus Christ.

    Hey Avery,

    Ditto for your feelings on the public denigration of our mutual Master, the Son of Mary (pbuh) – I get deeply disturbed when people insult him like that. But, we live in a secular society – so, anything goes in that realm – not much you can do except pray that people change. And you are right about the Muslim reaction to the insults; it also disturbs me – some fool draws a picture in Denmark and then a couple churches get burned down in Lahore – what…the…hell?

    And thanks for the other references; according to the article there does seem to be some shooting of Muslims that kicked events off and now it seems it’s in some despicable downward revenge spiral. I do know that in next-door Burma, extremist Buddhists have been violently displacing a Musllim minority name the Rohingyas:
    “…more than a million people in Burma are facing state-sponsored genocide, according to a new report…The Rohingya Muslim community of the military-dominated Southeast Asian nation, which is now officially known as Myanmar, has been systematically persecuted and expunged from the national narrative — often at the behest of powerful extremist groups from the country’s majority Buddhist population and even government authorities — to the point where complete extermination is a possibility, according to a damning new study by the International State Crime Initiative (ISCI) at the Queen Mary University of London. ‘The Rohingya face the final stages of genocide,’ concludes the report.”

    http://time.com/4089276/burma-rohingya-genocide-report-documentary/

    “The report also raises the possibility that the pattern of violations against the Rohingya may amount to crimes against humanity.”

    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54268#.V57aGPkrJhE

    I am wondering if this is all related and there is a simmering low-level, tit-for-tat communal violence playing out between the Buddhists and Muslims of that general area because of all these various factors.

    Peace.

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  105. Talha says:
    @joe webb
    PS, the sacker is a Negro lover and so on. He Believes as a good christian that god loves everybody and made us all equal. Ergo, the Arabs can be regarded psychologically as more or less like Whites. Big mistake. Ditto regarding the lesser races with room temperature IQs. They are very different.

    Even the north east Asians who are as smart as Whites, and a tad smarter, are given to magical thinking, gambling, zero democratic political thinking, and are simply totalitarian, totally social, with no political sense in the European sense of politics.

    The whole world, or all the races except Whites are totalitarian or chaotic. Nobody has invented liberty and free speech, etc. except we Whites.

    The sacker is a total fool for Universal luv. Nut job, fruitcake, one-worlders, interchangeable parts, we are all equal, no discrimination , no ability to perceive Difference. Anti-genetics as well, a real cave man liberal commie type of social justice warrior, old type of Christian Fool.

    Joe Webb

    Hey – you’re back! We missed you man!

    What’s reading UNZ without old JW ranting about the Jews and gleefully smacking his lips about the upcoming race war??!!

    Me and Sam (aka ‘Kyke-boy’) Shama thought maybe you hooked up with an attractive Black female and changed your tune.

    Glad you’re OK!
    Peace

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  106. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Talha,

    You need to have an altar call for the benefit of these guys.

    Come to Jesus on your knees and repent of your sins, all is forgiven.

    Hey iffen,

    The fact that these guys don’t know about the similar deal in Islam, namely:
    “The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin.” – reported in Ibn Majah

    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven’t gotten this message to enough Muslims who want to turn their lives around (and think they need to commit violence as some sort of expurgation) is a shame on us.

    Peace.

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    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven’t gotten this message to enough Muslims …

    I would push to make this as common as possible, Talha. The benefits of the catharsis to the individual cannot be matched. The person is emotionally conflicted, torn between two cultures, not fitting completely and securely (in their mind) within either one. It is like a great re-set button for the soul.

    Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.

    I was getting ready to unload on a commenter for mocking FDR’s paralysis when the Great Cosmic Equalizer called it to my attention that I was doing the same thing by parodying certain mentally impaired commenters.

    I was going to offer my services to cuss some of the commenters out on your behalf. There likely is a word for this, that is, when a person, because of spiritual or religious reasons cannot entertain a certain behavior, can appoint a proxy to accomplish the task. But I got on the wagon of civil discourse yesterday, the Lord’s Day, so I can’t carry through with any nastiness.
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  107. Talha says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    Hey JR,

    I can see where the confusion is; I should have been more clear since my words can be misinterpreted – I have known some Muslims who have started on the path of repentance and looked to blame others (like the ‘West’) for their own prior deficiencies NOT those who have then subsequently made the hop to becoming radicalized. If I did know someone who had gone over the edge, I would call the authorities as I believe it is my duty. When I encounter people like this who are sincerely trying to change themselves, I try my best to get them on track with traditional Orthodox scholars and even a Sufi order (if they are open to that route) so they do not get side-tracked by the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists. One of my spiritual teachers has talked a man out of a suicide attack, but that was in Pakistan where a lot of those happen.

    As to your other concerns…

    Yes, I’m a Muslim and quite real – Qasim can vouch for me – we have interacted outside of UR.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them.

    I do get upset (this is natural), but I do not react in kind – this is what I have learned at the feet of my teachers. I will be asked about what I have done in life, others will be asked about what they have done. But I do have limits – in fact, I have told people that I will continue dialog as long as it maintains a modicum of civility; and I have politely called it quits when people have resorted to ad hominem attacks and outright juvenile behavior – I care not to be anyone’s punching bag – “Homie don’t play that”. Shouldn’t civility be encouraged and cultivated? Do we want the vitriol and inanity that passes for ‘interaction’ on most forums to be the norm?

    To be completely honest; what has upset me the most are some of the postings by ‘Rehmat’ – which I tried to advise him against – that lead to people lashing back and denigrating the Prophet (pbuh) – that stuff really hurts.

    Maybe it’s a result of your Sufi spiritual practice

    Look, I have been training for more than a decade under teachers of the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi order to get my ego under control. If I lose my composure due to someone’s rantings on an anonymous forum, I should just call my teachers and call it quits; there is no hope for me. It is very simple:
    “And We have made some of you as trial for others – will you not have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing.” 25:20

    And, honestly, where would it get me anyway in the discourse? Ask yourself, does anybody listen to whoever ‘Rehmat’ is?

    And I will say this; if someone angers or wrongs you – force yourself to pray for them and their family and all the good things you can ask for them – you will doubtfully ever make a more sincere, selfless prayer.

    Like, now, you say you personally know people who “self-radicalized” on the Internet

    That was a mistaken interpretation – sorry if I gave you that impression.

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims.

    I have my doubt as to the details, but I know there are Muslims out there that can indeed be radicalized. My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever. I can also believe it because this stuff is happening in the Muslim world – extremists have shot up a school of kids in Pakistan, they do launch suicide attacks in Shiah mosques and funeral processions, and on and on. Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?

    There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    I was actually in direct contact with Michael Ruppert after 9/11 (helped disseminate his videos in the LA area) and I have grave misgivings about it and almost all the other incidents (how could a small Pakistani woman be mistakenly profiled by eye witnesses as a tall athletic male – as in San Bernadino). I do think there is a legitimate case to be made that many of these people are being led in a specific direction by radicals and then certain agencies are taking advantage of foreknowledge to let events occur in a controlled manner in order to benefit (there are billions of dollars at stake). But, I do not know and I don’t think we’ll ever know the full truth. Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick – it is what you are good at, not me. Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don’t believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims. I believe you have your duty in the grand scheme to help end this violence and bloodshed, as do I and our roles are not the same.

    I’m not an Islamic “Uncle Tom” (I have little desire to be a ‘house nigger’ – if I am not a benefit to the people of the US; send me back, I’ll happily live my life growing old, doing dhikr and answering the adhan) – I have come to UR because I was very interested in LewRockwell.com and this site shared many of the same authors. I read the comments and saw so many nonsense and ignorant comments about Islam and Muslims that I had to speak up and challenge some people’s assumptions. At times I regret doing so, but I believe some have come to appreciate my input here – whether they agree with my conclusions – at least they can see what goes on in the head of a Muslim that comes from a traditional Sunni Orthodox position in contrast to all the stuff Daesh and their ilk put out – since they are the loudest voices these days. It is also the reason why I vigorously cite any claims I make.

    If you’re in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants – my treat.

    May God preserve you and yours.

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    I don't think that Talha is Razib Khan - but I could be wrong.
    , @utu
    Your post (#110).

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags? About the fact that they are being played, manipulated in order to be set against each other, against the West and eventually destroyed? Is it because they are too ashamed to admit that they are so easily being played? Don't need to be too proud and ashamed. A very powerful force and very skillful operators with centuries of experience in "divide et impera" is working on muslims. Muslims can defend themselves only by exposing that force and by admitting to themselves that they are being played.
    , @Jonathan Revusky
    This is sort of an interesting pas à deux now. Okay, first of all, I see through your bullshit. I see clearly what is going on here with this constructed "Uncle Talha" persona. I suppose you realize that I see through you and you aren't going to con me, so the responses you write are an attempt to con 3rd parties reading this. So there are things like:


    Yes, I’m a Muslim and quite real – Qasim can vouch for me – we have interacted outside of UR.
     
    One anonymous person is is going to "vouch for"another anonymous person? Strange idea.

    Anyway, I think you've fucked up. To anybody paying the slightest attention, you have basically outed yourself as a total phony. It is in particular when you respond regarding the 9/11 Truth issue that you expose yourself as a complete fraud.

    You are a complete fraud, both intellectually and morally.

    Like consider this:

    But, I do not know and I don’t think we’ll ever know the full truth.
     
    You see, this is the kind of line that gives off such a whiff of total shillery. "I don't think we'll ever know the full truth."

    Look, this 9/11 event is a constructed blood libel of Muslims, your people (assuming you really are a Muslim) and was used to launch wars in which hundreds of thousands, probably millions of your fellow Muslims have perished unjustly.

    I am pretty sure that Sharia law, like Talmudic law in Judaism for example, has very clear stipulations on accusations and the need for proof. If people are saying that Muslims committed such crimes as 9/11 and other such events, there is a need to know what the proof of this is.

    Also, if you really were a Muslim who cared for his people, you would surely, as I do, demand that people tell you what the proof is.

    Though I am not a Muslim, I am certain that my stance is the correct one according to Sharia law. These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.

    By constrast, your stance is to say things like:


    Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?
     
    In other words, Muslims could have been "radicalized" and thus committed whatever crimes. That is enough for you and you do not demand any actual proof and then you go on to say basically that you do not demand proof of these stories because you could be catalogued as a "conspiracy theorist". Oh how terrible, oy vey...

    Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don’t believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims.
     
    So, you don't challenge this blood libel of your people, don't express any anger about it even, because people might call you a "conspiracy theorist". What a lickspittle toady coward you are! Truly contemptible.


    Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick – it is what you are good at, not me.

     

    So what are you good at then, just making up lies and bullshit? Like this:

    My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever.
     
    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that. I wasn't born yesterday. This is just a lie. This "Talha" construct just exists as a conduit for these kinds of lies.

    What's the weather like in Tel Aviv? Hot, eh? Well, you've probably got air conditioning in your office.

    If you’re in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants – my treat.
     
    Well, how would I ever get in touch with you? You've given me no phone number?? Should I look under the T's in the phone book?

    Well, never mind. I don't dine with swine.
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  108. Konga says:
    @Ximenes
    In the terror wave sweeping the West, there does seem to be an uncanny continuity in the acts committed by ISIS sympathizers, angry Blacks (Dallas), racist white losers (Dylan Roof), psychotic white losers (Aurora), etc. The terror reminds me of a mostly forgotten period in history, Russia in the late 19th century, when also the main targets were policemen, and the perpetrators were mostly said to be 'Anarchists.' The violence did not culminate in anarchy, however, but in its opposite, in the complete totalitarianism of the Bolshevik/Soviet state.

    Does anyone have any suggestions for a good book covering the last few decades of Czarist rule? I think we are re-living that, given that so many of the descendants of the original Bolsheviks migrated out of the Soviet Union after WWII and settled in the good old USA.

    My suggestion: “The 18th Brumary”, Karl Marx

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  109. @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    It hadn’t previously seemed to me that Talha was other than what the eponymous writer claimed to be. But the comprehensiveness of the replies does suggest that might not be true.

    Still I don’t detect dishonesty or stupidity (it not being stupid to profess a belief in a theistic creator god I reluctantly assert) and it provides compensation for time wasted on the idiocies of Rehmat.

    Is Rehmat, as suggested in one coment, an artefact of an intelligence service? If so which? I opt for Iranian because there is a side benefit to its coming over as idiotic, namely that Sunni Pakistan will probably be blamed because there has been a claim of Pakistani origin in at least some Rehmat comments.

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  110. Talha says:
    @alexander
    The outside of what ?

    Uh oh – I think you just took the bait…

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    Yes, perhaps I did,

    But while we are also on the subject of Iffen's disgruntlement at having been shafted his extra twenty shekels by his paymaster,

    why would any nation on earth that has generated a truly obscene and unconscionable national debt of $21,000,000,000,000.00 in a mere fifteen years, dole out another 3.5 billion dollars in "interest free" aid to another country ?

    Where does our government expect to find the money to do this ?

    Can you explain this to me Tahla, now that I am (uh-oh) "baited" in ?

    I , for one, would use the 3.5 billion to pay down our heinous debt and get our own house in order, before we dole it out..... to anybody.

    but I suppose that kind of thinking is an affront to Iffen's shekel count.
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  111. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Quartermaster
    Saker, you're pathetic. It matters not what the facts of the situation are. It doesn't matter how much the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain, you deny them, or say they don't exist.

    Crimea and the Donbas were invaded by Russia. It is incontrovertible in both cases. Security cameras caught Russian troops entering through the Simferopol Airport, and the testimony of the Ukrainians captured by Russian Troops in Crimea and released, are simply dispositive.

    The Donbas is crawling with Russian Troops. The Ukrainian Army is still capturing Russians with their military Identification cards and internal passports. The equipment being used is Russian equipment and is operated by Russian Troops.

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.

    The business Muslims carrying on is similar. Either Saker is misinformed, intentionally obtuse, or simply a Putinist shill lying for the regime.

    Quartermaster;
    Yours is a typical NeoCon response. Heavy on ad hominem and light on facts.
    The people of Donbas are no fools. They know a US backed coup when they see one, and being a predominately Russian speaking society, they naturally asked for Russian help.
    The Crimea was always a part of Russia until 1955 when Soviet Premier Nikita Khruschev (a Ukrainian) gave it to Ukraine during a fit of alcoholic benevolence.
    You state, “the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain”.
    Which public domain are you talking about – CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, BBC etc?
    I would suggest that you broaden your sources of information.
    With regard to your view of the Muslim threat – any Middle Eastern looking person (notably Israelis) can claim to be a Muslim, shout “God is Great” and then gun down a crowd of innocent people. As we know from Operation Gladio during the 80′s, the Red Brigades were working for NATO, keeping European politicians in line with Washington DC.
    All this ISIS/Daesh business is no different. Like the Romans, we create our own bogeymen to give us an excuse to wage war and plunder the wealth of nations.
    Time to get back aboard your ship. Give my regards to the XO.

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    Strange that nothing happened until Strelkov got to the Donbas after Putin was finished with him in Crimea. Methinks you, like the rest of the Putin apologists, either have no idea whereof you speak (most of those in the west), or you're a member of one of Putin's troll brigade.

    It was GRU officers and Army imports that started the "insurgency." It is of the same sort of thing that is going on in Moldova and Georgia. It is almost entirely Russian.

    I got read out of the GOP because I wasn't a Neocon. Go back and read the idiot Frum's statement on "unpatriotic conservatives" sometime. I was one of those who was against going into Iraq. Like most that bandy the term, you have no idea what it means.

    There is far more to the public domain that you limited knowledge would encompass. I suggest you get out more.
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  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    PS, the sacker is a Negro lover and so on. He Believes as a good christian that god loves everybody and made us all equal. Ergo, the Arabs can be regarded psychologically as more or less like Whites. Big mistake. Ditto regarding the lesser races with room temperature IQs. They are very different.

    Even the north east Asians who are as smart as Whites, and a tad smarter, are given to magical thinking, gambling, zero democratic political thinking, and are simply totalitarian, totally social, with no political sense in the European sense of politics.

    The whole world, or all the races except Whites are totalitarian or chaotic. Nobody has invented liberty and free speech, etc. except we Whites.

    The sacker is a total fool for Universal luv. Nut job, fruitcake, one-worlders, interchangeable parts, we are all equal, no discrimination , no ability to perceive Difference. Anti-genetics as well, a real cave man liberal commie type of social justice warrior, old type of Christian Fool.

    Joe Webb

    When someone starts hurling insults on blacks, Mexicans, Arabs and other minorities for no apparent reason, as you are doing here, and tries to pass as a white racist, more often than not, it is a Jew trying to push whites into useless wars against minorities, while he, and he alone, controls the rein of the country forever and ever. These distractions will no longer work for you.

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  113. 5371 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    So because Talha doesn’t get angry on the internet and doesn’t have a screw loose in the same place as you, he can’t be real. You win a prize for something, Jonny Rev, but it ain’t self-awareness.

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  114. alexander says:
    @Talha
    Uh oh - I think you just took the bait...

    Yes, perhaps I did,

    But while we are also on the subject of Iffen’s disgruntlement at having been shafted his extra twenty shekels by his paymaster,

    why would any nation on earth that has generated a truly obscene and unconscionable national debt of $21,000,000,000,000.00 in a mere fifteen years, dole out another 3.5 billion dollars in “interest free” aid to another country ?

    Where does our government expect to find the money to do this ?

    Can you explain this to me Tahla, now that I am (uh-oh) “baited” in ?

    I , for one, would use the 3.5 billion to pay down our heinous debt and get our own house in order, before we dole it out….. to anybody.

    but I suppose that kind of thinking is an affront to Iffen’s shekel count.

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    Hey alexander - sorry man, I'm not going to get involved in that exchange!

    As far as our policy vis-a-vis Israel - I have not been able to make heads or tales of it since I first became aware of it in university. Meaning, I can't figure out benefit to us - benefit to Israel is obvious.

    Peace.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I have not explored this but a favoured American expression is, Follow the money! Perhaps a simple look at whether or not there was a steep increase in financial payments made directly after November 1963 might shed some light on the matter.
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  115. @Begemot
    Quartermaster - Putin is a Soviet Revanchist? Then why is Georgia still an independent country? In the 2008 war with Georgia the Russians broke the Georgian military and the road to Tbilisi was open. Georgia was theirs for the taking. But the Russians left and Georgia is still an American client state. This fact contradicts your assertion about Russian and Putin's goals.

    Perhaps you should pay better attention to what KGB dwarf is actually saying and doing.

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    Quartermaster - My point about the Russian evacuation from Georgia is based on what was done. The Russians left Georgia. Georgia is still independent. A revanchist policy to reconstitute the USSR would not have abandoned this prize when it was in their grasp. Your comment is an evasion because the facts are against you. Follow your own advice, shed your irrational prejudices and LOOK at the facts.
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  116. @R
    It is you who is pathetic and ignorant. The staff of the Russian army do not carry IDs of any sort let alone passports. Captured Russians by the Ukraine are Russians and members of the 70% Russian population of U kraine.

    You’re funny. Not only do they, they’ve been captured with them. You’d think Putin would be able to “Sheep dip” his troops, but I guess not.

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    And you have never been to the army. Any army.
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  117. @Anatoly Karlin
    If Ukraine had been invaded by Russia, in reality as opposed to your demented Gog & Magog fantasies, the Maidanist scum would have been driven out in a couple of weeks.

    You’re going to have to ask the KGB dwarf why he doesn’t just go ahead and knock Kyiv over.

    The Gog & Magog thing is of your own invention. It doesn’t even apply to this and you’re simply being stupid.

    The scum is in Moscow. If Putin had simply kept his troops in Russia and been a good neighbor, the situation would be far better for him and Russia. Instead, the man is having delusions of grandeur and is simply wrecking his country.

    But, that’s just a bit too much for your sort to understand.

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  118. @Jatz07
    Obviously you're not in Crimea like my wife who returns for a holiday every year to her apartment. 20.000 Russian troops were already in Crimea, no need to bring anymore in. Yea we all know Valeriy Heletey using Facebook of all things claimed Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons. Oh piffle.

    Yet, Russia brought more in. Most of the “troops” in Crimea were there incidental to the Black Sea fleet being there. There is a huge difference between the troops that stole Crimea, and those that were already there.

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    I'll say it again ... piffle. Do remind me know all how many people were killed in this Russian take over of Crimea ... one perhaps. Its always the bigmouth who know nothing. Post the date and where you stayed in your last visit to Crimea.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Quartermasterbater, stop with the BS, you're debasing the status of the rank you bear claim to.

    My info has it Russia was allowed to station 25000 troops in Crimea per a longstanding treaty. They actually only had 17000 present and these stepped out onto the streets after the massacres in Odessa to prevent a similar outbreak there. This they did without incident. How is it possible to invade a place when you are already there and have been for years?

    The Crimean people overwhelmingly voted to seced from Ukraine and join Russia using the secession of Kosavo as precedent.

    If you would care to show evidence to the contrary I'd welcome it.
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  119. @Jatz07
    Obviously you're not in Crimea like my wife who returns for a holiday every year to her apartment. 20.000 Russian troops were already in Crimea, no need to bring anymore in. Yea we all know Valeriy Heletey using Facebook of all things claimed Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons. Oh piffle.

    You need to pay attention to what Putin has actually said. He has rattled nuclear sabers. More than once, no less. Claiming it’s piffle simply shows you need to get out more.

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    Get out more, Oh from an American likely, how ludicrous when 85% of Americans have never had a passport. Remind me how many nuke the US have lying about in Turkey, talk about sabre rattling. Problem with Putin he is too soft, Russia needs a more hard liner to deal with the filth in Washington.
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  120. @Anonymous
    Quartermaster is not paying attention....instead he/she is locked into MSM lies and propaganda. Saker's point is that all these atrocities that are taking place have the smell of false flag...in fact lets just come out and say it...these are false flag operations designed to plant fear in the population so that the weak and feeble minded citizens who don't pay attention will throw up their hands and plead for more security thus playing into the hands of the sick elitist so who wish to control the global population. Quartermaster has no idea what he is talking about regarding Russia/Ukraine/Donbass...again he/she has been sucked in to the propaganda which is designed to paint Putin as an evil dictator in order to justify WW3...WW3 is required in order to make money, cover up the criminal activities of these sick people and to redraw boundaries to suit their global domination agenda. We are talking about very sick devil worshipping psychopaths who don't care who they kill and maim...

    Alas, for you, the facts on Crimea and the Donbas are in the public domain, having escaped the KGB dwarf’s captivity long ago. I don’t think Putin is an evil dictator, although is a dictator. He’s merely stupid and I acting out like little child and set his country on the path to further destruction. The Yeltsin period will look like a cake walk when the time comes to reap what he’s sown.

    There isn’t going to be a war between the US and Russia. Neither has the logistics ability to carry on such a war, and the strategic situation would excruciatingly bad for the one that kicks it off.

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  121. @Randal

    Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia. Think about what that includes, then seriously tell me that Putin is not a Soviet Revanchist. Do try to do it with a straight face.
     
    Like Hunsdon and Krollchem, I'd love to see some actual evidence of Putin saying this. It's often asserted by those pushing the mendacious "Russia as new 1930s Germany" line, but I've never yet seen it backed up.

    The idea that Putin actually wants to militarily occupy (which is what it would amount to) places like western Ukraine, the sunni muslim former Soviet states of central Asia (sunni jihadist factories, basically), and even more of the Caucasus snake pit, seems ludicrous on its face. Putin might be many things, but nobody honest accuses him of being stupid. Yes, I'm sure he wants these places within the Russian sphere, just as the US is trying to bring them within its own sphere, but that's a very different thing, and not anything we need to be concerned about.

    You need to talk with Putin and ask why he would say such a thing. The sources are public domain. If you really wanted to know about it, you’d find it.

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  122. @Anonymous
    Quartermaster;
    Yours is a typical NeoCon response. Heavy on ad hominem and light on facts.
    The people of Donbas are no fools. They know a US backed coup when they see one, and being a predominately Russian speaking society, they naturally asked for Russian help.
    The Crimea was always a part of Russia until 1955 when Soviet Premier Nikita Khruschev (a Ukrainian) gave it to Ukraine during a fit of alcoholic benevolence.
    You state, "the facts are known and broadcast through the public domain".
    Which public domain are you talking about - CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, BBC etc?
    I would suggest that you broaden your sources of information.
    With regard to your view of the Muslim threat - any Middle Eastern looking person (notably Israelis) can claim to be a Muslim, shout "God is Great" and then gun down a crowd of innocent people. As we know from Operation Gladio during the 80's, the Red Brigades were working for NATO, keeping European politicians in line with Washington DC.
    All this ISIS/Daesh business is no different. Like the Romans, we create our own bogeymen to give us an excuse to wage war and plunder the wealth of nations.
    Time to get back aboard your ship. Give my regards to the XO.

    Strange that nothing happened until Strelkov got to the Donbas after Putin was finished with him in Crimea. Methinks you, like the rest of the Putin apologists, either have no idea whereof you speak (most of those in the west), or you’re a member of one of Putin’s troll brigade.

    It was GRU officers and Army imports that started the “insurgency.” It is of the same sort of thing that is going on in Moldova and Georgia. It is almost entirely Russian.

    I got read out of the GOP because I wasn’t a Neocon. Go back and read the idiot Frum’s statement on “unpatriotic conservatives” sometime. I was one of those who was against going into Iraq. Like most that bandy the term, you have no idea what it means.

    There is far more to the public domain that you limited knowledge would encompass. I suggest you get out more.

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  123. vinteuil says:
    @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I can see where the confusion is; I should have been more clear since my words can be misinterpreted - I have known some Muslims who have started on the path of repentance and looked to blame others (like the 'West') for their own prior deficiencies NOT those who have then subsequently made the hop to becoming radicalized. If I did know someone who had gone over the edge, I would call the authorities as I believe it is my duty. When I encounter people like this who are sincerely trying to change themselves, I try my best to get them on track with traditional Orthodox scholars and even a Sufi order (if they are open to that route) so they do not get side-tracked by the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists. One of my spiritual teachers has talked a man out of a suicide attack, but that was in Pakistan where a lot of those happen.

    As to your other concerns...

    Yes, I'm a Muslim and quite real - Qasim can vouch for me - we have interacted outside of UR.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them.
     

    I do get upset (this is natural), but I do not react in kind - this is what I have learned at the feet of my teachers. I will be asked about what I have done in life, others will be asked about what they have done. But I do have limits - in fact, I have told people that I will continue dialog as long as it maintains a modicum of civility; and I have politely called it quits when people have resorted to ad hominem attacks and outright juvenile behavior - I care not to be anyone's punching bag - "Homie don't play that". Shouldn't civility be encouraged and cultivated? Do we want the vitriol and inanity that passes for 'interaction' on most forums to be the norm?

    To be completely honest; what has upset me the most are some of the postings by 'Rehmat' - which I tried to advise him against - that lead to people lashing back and denigrating the Prophet (pbuh) - that stuff really hurts.


    Maybe it’s a result of your Sufi spiritual practice
     
    Look, I have been training for more than a decade under teachers of the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi order to get my ego under control. If I lose my composure due to someone's rantings on an anonymous forum, I should just call my teachers and call it quits; there is no hope for me. It is very simple:
    "And We have made some of you as trial for others - will you not have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing." 25:20

    And, honestly, where would it get me anyway in the discourse? Ask yourself, does anybody listen to whoever 'Rehmat' is?

    And I will say this; if someone angers or wrongs you - force yourself to pray for them and their family and all the good things you can ask for them - you will doubtfully ever make a more sincere, selfless prayer.


    Like, now, you say you personally know people who “self-radicalized” on the Internet
     
    That was a mistaken interpretation - sorry if I gave you that impression.

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims.
     
    I have my doubt as to the details, but I know there are Muslims out there that can indeed be radicalized. My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me - in shock - that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever. I can also believe it because this stuff is happening in the Muslim world - extremists have shot up a school of kids in Pakistan, they do launch suicide attacks in Shiah mosques and funeral processions, and on and on. Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?

    There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.
     
    I was actually in direct contact with Michael Ruppert after 9/11 (helped disseminate his videos in the LA area) and I have grave misgivings about it and almost all the other incidents (how could a small Pakistani woman be mistakenly profiled by eye witnesses as a tall athletic male - as in San Bernadino). I do think there is a legitimate case to be made that many of these people are being led in a specific direction by radicals and then certain agencies are taking advantage of foreknowledge to let events occur in a controlled manner in order to benefit (there are billions of dollars at stake). But, I do not know and I don't think we'll ever know the full truth. Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick - it is what you are good at, not me. Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don't believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims. I believe you have your duty in the grand scheme to help end this violence and bloodshed, as do I and our roles are not the same.

    I'm not an Islamic “Uncle Tom” (I have little desire to be a 'house nigger' - if I am not a benefit to the people of the US; send me back, I'll happily live my life growing old, doing dhikr and answering the adhan) - I have come to UR because I was very interested in LewRockwell.com and this site shared many of the same authors. I read the comments and saw so many nonsense and ignorant comments about Islam and Muslims that I had to speak up and challenge some people's assumptions. At times I regret doing so, but I believe some have come to appreciate my input here - whether they agree with my conclusions - at least they can see what goes on in the head of a Muslim that comes from a traditional Sunni Orthodox position in contrast to all the stuff Daesh and their ilk put out - since they are the loudest voices these days. It is also the reason why I vigorously cite any claims I make.

    If you're in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants - my treat.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    I don’t think that Talha is Razib Khan – but I could be wrong.

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    I don’t think that Talha is Razib Khan – but I could be wrong.

    Khan is very pompous - that is not Talha's persona.

    Although the Muslim culture is a mystery to me – I feel that Talha represents the best of it.

    Art

    p.s. I do think that Muslins suffer from too much “God willing” thinking. Clearly our modern world it is more about “people willing.” We can be in charge of our future.
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  124. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    The fact that these guys don't know about the similar deal in Islam, namely:
    "The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin." - reported in Ibn Majah

    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven't gotten this message to enough Muslims who want to turn their lives around (and think they need to commit violence as some sort of expurgation) is a shame on us.

    Peace.

    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven’t gotten this message to enough Muslims …

    I would push to make this as common as possible, Talha. The benefits of the catharsis to the individual cannot be matched. The person is emotionally conflicted, torn between two cultures, not fitting completely and securely (in their mind) within either one. It is like a great re-set button for the soul.

    Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.

    I was getting ready to unload on a commenter for mocking FDR’s paralysis when the Great Cosmic Equalizer called it to my attention that I was doing the same thing by parodying certain mentally impaired commenters.

    I was going to offer my services to cuss some of the commenters out on your behalf. There likely is a word for this, that is, when a person, because of spiritual or religious reasons cannot entertain a certain behavior, can appoint a proxy to accomplish the task. But I got on the wagon of civil discourse yesterday, the Lord’s Day, so I can’t carry through with any nastiness.

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    Hey iffen,

    Don't worry about it - I have seen often that there is little need for me to respond in kind (or have someone do so on my behalf) to juvenile behavior - people usually end up making fools of themselves plenty on their own 'merits' and/or sweeping any credibility out from under themselves. People don't understand these days that silence itself is a response. Imam Shafi'i (ra) wrote a few brilliant couplets to help drive home the point when his detractors misunderstood his lack of response to be a sign of defeat:

    ‘Say what you wish in abuse of me,
    For my silence towards the idiot is indeed an answer.
    I am not at a loss for a response but rather,
    It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs.’

    I do not think you will regret getting on the wagon.

    Peace.
    , @Sam Shama
    [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don't.
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  125. alexander says:

    Saker,

    I think the biggest single indicator that the vast majority of “terror events” are either “terror fraud” or “false flags” are not how dumb they seem, or how perfectly tooled to the agendas of the state apparatus they have become………but the very “concrete” ratio of terror events to counter terror spending.

    The facts on this cannot be disputed.

    The more we dole out our trillions in hard earned tax money to all our sorted “terror industries”(to protect us) the more “terror events” there are (to protect us from).

    Consider that from the year 1970 to the year 2000, our counter-terrorism budget for the ENTIRE PERIOD was probably under a billion dollars…..and there WAS ALMOST NO TERRORISM, AT ALL.

    What does this say?

    The US GOVERNMENT has OVERSPENT its operating budget by FIFTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS in fifteen years……most of it fighting the “war on terror”…..and there have been more “terror events” in the last SIX MONTHS than in the entire decades of the seventies and eighties COMBINED ….

    What does this tell you , Saker ?

    Shouldn’t the NUMBER of terror events BE REDUCED the more we spend to eradicate it ?

    It is inconceivable ( actually I would say it is impossible) given the ratio of our humongous increase in counter-terror spending to the INCREASE in “terror events”, that there is not massive and systemic fraud at work within the entire “terror process”.

    it is the equivalent of spending a (super) premium to your house painter to paint your entire house white…and the more you pay your house painter the more red your house becomes.

    Its a total joke on all of us, Saker, and they are taking all our tax money and all our children’s tax money, and all our grand children’s tax money….and laughing all the way to the bank.

    We need to clean house, ….. FAST.

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  126. Talha says:
    @alexander
    Yes, perhaps I did,

    But while we are also on the subject of Iffen's disgruntlement at having been shafted his extra twenty shekels by his paymaster,

    why would any nation on earth that has generated a truly obscene and unconscionable national debt of $21,000,000,000,000.00 in a mere fifteen years, dole out another 3.5 billion dollars in "interest free" aid to another country ?

    Where does our government expect to find the money to do this ?

    Can you explain this to me Tahla, now that I am (uh-oh) "baited" in ?

    I , for one, would use the 3.5 billion to pay down our heinous debt and get our own house in order, before we dole it out..... to anybody.

    but I suppose that kind of thinking is an affront to Iffen's shekel count.

    Hey alexander – sorry man, I’m not going to get involved in that exchange!

    As far as our policy vis-a-vis Israel – I have not been able to make heads or tales of it since I first became aware of it in university. Meaning, I can’t figure out benefit to us – benefit to Israel is obvious.

    Peace.

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    [I can’t figure out benefit to us – benefit to Israel is obvious.]

    I'll explain. Continuing in the spirit of Tikkun Olam, and alexander [who I believe is Jewish or at least rather familiar with the culture] should comprehend immediately; it is called Ma'aser. Typically 10% of one's income, a substantial discount, in light of America's present difficulties, has been granted.

    Any further questions can be directed to Joe Webb.

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  127. Talha says:
    @iffen
    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven’t gotten this message to enough Muslims …

    I would push to make this as common as possible, Talha. The benefits of the catharsis to the individual cannot be matched. The person is emotionally conflicted, torn between two cultures, not fitting completely and securely (in their mind) within either one. It is like a great re-set button for the soul.

    Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.

    I was getting ready to unload on a commenter for mocking FDR’s paralysis when the Great Cosmic Equalizer called it to my attention that I was doing the same thing by parodying certain mentally impaired commenters.

    I was going to offer my services to cuss some of the commenters out on your behalf. There likely is a word for this, that is, when a person, because of spiritual or religious reasons cannot entertain a certain behavior, can appoint a proxy to accomplish the task. But I got on the wagon of civil discourse yesterday, the Lord’s Day, so I can’t carry through with any nastiness.

    Hey iffen,

    Don’t worry about it – I have seen often that there is little need for me to respond in kind (or have someone do so on my behalf) to juvenile behavior – people usually end up making fools of themselves plenty on their own ‘merits’ and/or sweeping any credibility out from under themselves. People don’t understand these days that silence itself is a response. Imam Shafi’i (ra) wrote a few brilliant couplets to help drive home the point when his detractors misunderstood his lack of response to be a sign of defeat:

    ‘Say what you wish in abuse of me,
    For my silence towards the idiot is indeed an answer.
    I am not at a loss for a response but rather,
    It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs.’

    I do not think you will regret getting on the wagon.

    Peace.

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  128. Rurik says:

    obsessed with non-issues like … … gun control vs “active shooters”, … …are total non-issue, meaningless crap which does not affect them in any way other than through the corporate media.

    … This is how our leaders want us: terrified…

    [my emphasis]

    you’re right that they want us terrified, and were it not for Americans being armed to the teeth, that’s exactly how they’d have us.

    the most sacred right we Americans have is codified in the Second Amendment. The day we lose that right, is the very day we lose all the rest of them. ;)

    there is one thing, and one thing only that is keeping the Fiend at bay, and that thing is a gun wielded by an American patriot who’s willing to put holes in a tyrant. Americans have seen tyrants before, and used the same tried and true method to preserve our freedoms.

    May we continue to do so, because when the American people are finally under the Zio-iron boot, then so too will the rest of the world quickly follow suit. On that day we’ll all know what it’s like to be a Palestinian.

    Look at the Israelis – they have already read the writing on the wall and are now in the process of changing patrons, hence their newfound big friendship with Russia –

    interesting, but I doubt it’s that simple

    if the Israelis are nervous, I suspect it’s because they fear Trump might win, and they don’t know exactly what that will mean. And I wouldn’t call the relationship between the Zionists and the US as one of patronage, but rather a parasitic relationship, as we all here know.

    Putin’s Russia is not about to act as host for the Zionist ticks to slurp from. So this rapprochement is strategic, from both Russia’s and Israel’s side. They’re enemies today in Syria, and they both know it, but as long as they’re fighting a proxy war, they seem sanguine enough about pretending they’re at peace.

    Ditto for Erdogan who has apparently decided that neither the EU nor the US could be considered reliable protectors

    good news:

    “A diplomatic spat between Ankara and Berlin escalated Monday “

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/08/01/turkey-protests-germanys-barring-erdogan-address/87904264/

    as we all know, Germany is a vassal and a stooge of the Zio-fiend. So if Germany is having problems with the sultan, that should suggest that the sultan is further discovering that the Zio-boyz tried to take him out. If so, then yes, the ties between Russia and Turkey will only strengthen, and that can only be a good thing for most of the humans of the planet (assuming the Kagans are human, and not lizard- the evidence of which is persuasive ; )

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  129. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    You are a mean-spirited, confused mouth-breather. But the readership already knew that; so what compelled you to belabour the point?

    The calm and reasoned scholarly posts from Talha apparently.
    [I really do hope you don't get to write another long witless post, devoid of any literary appeal]

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  130. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb
    more nutty stuff from the sacker. One million Migrants and their thousands of crimes....just a put-up job by the jews, and so on.

    The claim that the muzzies that we have learned something about, the terrorists... are just badly adjusted nut jobs...proves that they have been recruited by the jews , or us, or Russia, or, or, or...is nutty. All muslims like most Arabs are nut cases. Low intelligence and impulsive, just like our darling darkies.

    The truth is the the jews started it with Israel ( and earlier ) and that The French and Englishs and Spanish may have planted the dynamite with their barbaric colonialism but the jews laid some more social and political dynamite down and lit all the fuses...bang...and we got 20 years of The Jewish Wars and now a muslim 50 million in Europe, compliments of white liberals hornschwagled by more jews writing the books of race equality.

    Just keeps going on and on. Do the Jews want to wreck western civilization too?

    Joe Webb

    [Do the Jews want to wreck western civilization too?]

    No Joe, we are saving Western Civ from itself and making it in the image G’d wanted it, in the first place. Its Tikkun Olam, and people like you are going to help us do it.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6k1jHAYtbI

    (nb the reference to a statement by Hitler that "Jews brought conscience into the world" is from a bogus source, but don't let that bother you.

    Oh, and the notion that Jews were first to link ethical behavior with god? Does not square with the facts of history -- Zoroaster pre-dated Abrahamic thinking by about 500 years, but once again, other than that, the video is absolutely correct.

    Tikkum Olam, y'all -- or those of you who are fortunate enough to survive it.
    , @Art

    No Joe, we are saving Western Civ from itself and making it in the image G’d wanted it, in the first place. Its Tikkun Olam, and people like you are going to help us do it.
     
    What a joke - we are saving Western Civ from itself and making it in the image G’d wanted it, in the first place.

    Here is the Jew in action - pure Tikkun Olam.

    574 Palestinians arrested in July

    Some 574 Palestinians were arrested by Israeli occupation forces in July, a joint statement by human rights groups revealed yesterday.

    The Prisoners’ Affairs Commission, Palestinian Prisoners’ Society, Addameer Prisoner Support and Human Rights Association and Al-Mezan Human Rights Association said in their statement that 189 Palestinian were arrested from occupied Jerusalem, 869 from the West Bank and 16 from the Gaza Strip.

    The numbers include 112 children and 12 women.


    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/574-palestinians-arrested-in-july/
     
    Here is more evil:

    IOF attacks expectant wife of slain activist, leaves father bleeding


    AL-KHALIL, (PIC)-- The Israeli occupation forces (IOF) attacked the expectant wife of the slain Palestinian anti-occupation activist Muhammad al-Fekih and inflicted a serious brain hemorrhage on her father.

    http://english.palinfo.com/site/pages/details.aspx?itemid=79994
     
    The Stain of Palestine is on the Jew.
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  131. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Shama
    [Do the Jews want to wreck western civilization too?]

    No Joe, we are saving Western Civ from itself and making it in the image G'd wanted it, in the first place. Its Tikkun Olam, and people like you are going to help us do it.

    (nb the reference to a statement by Hitler that “Jews brought conscience into the world” is from a bogus source, but don’t let that bother you.

    Oh, and the notion that Jews were first to link ethical behavior with god? Does not square with the facts of history — Zoroaster pre-dated Abrahamic thinking by about 500 years, but once again, other than that, the video is absolutely correct.

    Tikkum Olam, y’all — or those of you who are fortunate enough to survive it.

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    Did you hear that drone above your head? It wasn't.
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  132. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    You never know what is going on in Turkey.

    The GLOB is turking the whole world.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/news-analysis/175482/the-west-keep-reading-turkey-wrong-it-is-a-shame

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  133. utu says:
    @Anonymous
    You made some interesting and convincing points. Even if we make allowance for Libya not having a government to control its borders, it is still clear that these waves of thousands of immigrants are far from normal or spontaneous. Someone must be organizing. Also you made a point that the Hungarian Prime minster built the wall ahead of time. That is also very curious and fishy. The antagonism created against the refugees is so powerful as we can see from how the media dealt with the Hungarian policies toward refugees. Viktor Orban was not portrayed as a cruel and inhuman for leaving thousands of refugees drenched and hungry in no man’s land. Rather he is billed as the man who stood up for Europe! This false media portrayal gave Viktor Orban wrong ideas about his capacity that he started lecturing the European Union, an organization his country was allowed to join not that long ago. This positive portrayal of Hungary and its leadership created a domino effect where all Balkan states followed the Hungarian footsteps. Had the media attacked Viktor Orban for being cruel, he would have dismantled his walls, and no other country in the Balkans or elsewhere would have built a wall. Period. You are absolutely right about Brexit being part of this game. The British people were manipulated into leaving the EU. For example, nearly all the major British papers, and certainly all Rupert Murdoch’s media organs were wildly urging the public to leave the EU. This means Murdock and Co. do not want peaceful, united Europe with open borders. Rather they see fragmented, conflict-ridden Europe, where each country is at the throat of its neighbours as the good old days.

    Lastly, just in case you haven’t seen it, I would like to share with you, the Saker and all the readers interested in these issues an interesting piece titled “Jewish Self-destruction” also dealing with false flags, posted by someone using Thomas77 posted under Pat Buchanan’s article Philadelphia Vs Cleveland. I copied it below. It is comment #17, if you want to look the original post. Take a look.

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    July 30, 2016 at 6:58 am GMT • 800 Words

    Jewish Self-Destruction:

    The notion of the Jews being smart or intelligent doesn’t stand up to critical scrutiny. Being good at deception and swindling is one thing. However, failing to learn from history; cutting down the very branch you are sitting on; camping your family and children on the rails of an incoming train; blowing up America’s landmarks on a broad daylight; running down American citizens on bulldozers in front of the whole world; and still nonchalantly going about the business of running and ruling America, as if nothing has happened at all; and most idiotically, tying the fate of your entire Empire with all its banks and media networks on terror attacks and false-flag operations against America and Europe –attacks that everybody knows Israel is behind them—are no signs of intelligence, but of sheer stupidity!

    Powerful Jews in America are fully aware of this dirty war, and the false-flag operations that Israel is waging against America and Europe, but they do not stop them. Instead, they cover up Israel’s tracks, and use their powerful media tools to make the blame, always, stick on those hapless Muslims. Why is Israel doing this? In one word, it is the fear of democracy. That is, fear of democracy both in the Muslim World and in the West. In democracy numbers count. Even though Muslims do not control the big banks or large media organizations, they have one card that counts in democracy: the numbers. If Muslims, who displaced the Jews long ago as the second largest group after the Christians in every western country, are allowed to live in peace in the west, Israel will start facing a nightmare scenario: every western politician running for office will find an irresistible temptation to do the right thing, and stand up for justice, and support the Palestinian cause, and at the same time, win the large Muslim votes in his/her constituency. It is a win/win/ win situation.

    However, as soon as you enter the equation a terror attack blamed on Muslims, then all of a sudden, the potential of Muslims and the value of votes of millions of Muslims in America and Europe instantly goes to zero! Not only the votes of Muslims lose their value, but they become so poisonous that no western politician would dare to seek them, or even appear to want them. The attacks are that effective!

    Thus, it is to rob western Muslims their potential and the value of their votes, and scare and intimidate western politicians from engaging or helping Muslims or even seeking their help, and, hence, effectively remove Israel’s nightmare scenario that these terror attacks, and false-flag operations against America and Europe are waged. This terror war didn’t start now. It started with the first World Trade Center attack back 1993, which was blamed on a blind Muslim Sheikh and his handful followers. The accelerated manner in which these attacks are now waged in Germany, in France, in Belgium, and in the US, and in the other western countries that, in all likelihood, will start soon experiencing these same horrors, is intended to FORCE the hand of Western leaders to undertake a massive deportation or internment of Muslims in the West, so that the threat from Muslim votes, and, hence, Israel’s nightmare scenario would be permanently removed.

    However, since these terror attacks are no harmless games, but monumental crimes against the American people, against the European peoples, and against Muslims, these attacks not only will backfire, but their end result would create the opposite of what Israel intended: Christians and Muslims will be forced, by necessity, to come together and crush not just Israel, but the entire Jewish Empire once and for all. This is the only way in which the West, the Muslim World, and the entire humanity will find peace and stability.

    Had those powerful Jews in America and Europe stopped Israel from continuing these suicidal attacks, they would have saved millions of Jews in Israel from a certain calamity that is bound to be fall on them, and perhaps added some unknown years into Israel’s existence. And they would have saved the Jewish empire and its tens of trillions of dollars from falling into the dragnet created by Israel’s unspeakable crimes.

    By covering up Israel’s crimes and being complicit in her crimes, American and European Jews are not helping Israel at all. On the contrary they are pushing her into speedy self-destruction, and are destroying themselves in the process. Therefore, in all intents and purposes, Israel’s days are numbered. And so are those of Jewish empire.

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    Orban clearly had information on incoming “refugee” invasion. I think that Trump’s handlers also had it. The chief intent behind the invasion was to create turmoil and rise of anti-muslim sentiments that would lead EU to go after ISIS and/or Assad and become active in American lead coalition. Merkel by not opposing the invasion unlike Orban temporarily diffused the conflict which gave Putin enough time to move into Syria before planned imposition of the no-fly zone by zio-anglo-americans. But the issue of refugees remain and can be played by various factions within the establishment of European countries as well as the external actors like that of Israel and US. The terrorists attacks in Belgium, France and Germany are part of that play.

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  134. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    My teachers constantly remind us of this principle and the fact that we haven’t gotten this message to enough Muslims …

    I would push to make this as common as possible, Talha. The benefits of the catharsis to the individual cannot be matched. The person is emotionally conflicted, torn between two cultures, not fitting completely and securely (in their mind) within either one. It is like a great re-set button for the soul.

    Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.

    I was getting ready to unload on a commenter for mocking FDR’s paralysis when the Great Cosmic Equalizer called it to my attention that I was doing the same thing by parodying certain mentally impaired commenters.

    I was going to offer my services to cuss some of the commenters out on your behalf. There likely is a word for this, that is, when a person, because of spiritual or religious reasons cannot entertain a certain behavior, can appoint a proxy to accomplish the task. But I got on the wagon of civil discourse yesterday, the Lord’s Day, so I can’t carry through with any nastiness.

    [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don’t.

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    It's my contribution to TO. If Joe can help, so can I.
    , @Art

    iffen: [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don’t.
     

    Oh my -- the super superior Jew and the super superior wanabe Jew - doing a tag team slap down on the Unz naves.

    How cute!

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  135. Sam Shama says:
    @anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6k1jHAYtbI

    (nb the reference to a statement by Hitler that "Jews brought conscience into the world" is from a bogus source, but don't let that bother you.

    Oh, and the notion that Jews were first to link ethical behavior with god? Does not square with the facts of history -- Zoroaster pre-dated Abrahamic thinking by about 500 years, but once again, other than that, the video is absolutely correct.

    Tikkum Olam, y'all -- or those of you who are fortunate enough to survive it.

    Did you hear that drone above your head? It wasn’t.

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    @Sam Shama
    Did you hear that drone above your head? It wasn't.

    What does your non sequitur have to do with two (at least) major non-facts (aka misrepresentations, aka prevarications, aka lies) that form the basis of the message of the video in question?

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    Oh that dizzying acuity! As some man asked Moshe, Was there a lack of graves in Egypt, that you took us away to die in the wilderness? Exodus 14:11 . Irony there, and entirely wasted on you.

    That LOL from Talha ought to have been a clue as well.

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  137. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don't.

    It’s my contribution to TO. If Joe can help, so can I.

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  138. utu says:
    @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I can see where the confusion is; I should have been more clear since my words can be misinterpreted - I have known some Muslims who have started on the path of repentance and looked to blame others (like the 'West') for their own prior deficiencies NOT those who have then subsequently made the hop to becoming radicalized. If I did know someone who had gone over the edge, I would call the authorities as I believe it is my duty. When I encounter people like this who are sincerely trying to change themselves, I try my best to get them on track with traditional Orthodox scholars and even a Sufi order (if they are open to that route) so they do not get side-tracked by the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists. One of my spiritual teachers has talked a man out of a suicide attack, but that was in Pakistan where a lot of those happen.

    As to your other concerns...

    Yes, I'm a Muslim and quite real - Qasim can vouch for me - we have interacted outside of UR.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them.
     

    I do get upset (this is natural), but I do not react in kind - this is what I have learned at the feet of my teachers. I will be asked about what I have done in life, others will be asked about what they have done. But I do have limits - in fact, I have told people that I will continue dialog as long as it maintains a modicum of civility; and I have politely called it quits when people have resorted to ad hominem attacks and outright juvenile behavior - I care not to be anyone's punching bag - "Homie don't play that". Shouldn't civility be encouraged and cultivated? Do we want the vitriol and inanity that passes for 'interaction' on most forums to be the norm?

    To be completely honest; what has upset me the most are some of the postings by 'Rehmat' - which I tried to advise him against - that lead to people lashing back and denigrating the Prophet (pbuh) - that stuff really hurts.


    Maybe it’s a result of your Sufi spiritual practice
     
    Look, I have been training for more than a decade under teachers of the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi order to get my ego under control. If I lose my composure due to someone's rantings on an anonymous forum, I should just call my teachers and call it quits; there is no hope for me. It is very simple:
    "And We have made some of you as trial for others - will you not have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing." 25:20

    And, honestly, where would it get me anyway in the discourse? Ask yourself, does anybody listen to whoever 'Rehmat' is?

    And I will say this; if someone angers or wrongs you - force yourself to pray for them and their family and all the good things you can ask for them - you will doubtfully ever make a more sincere, selfless prayer.


    Like, now, you say you personally know people who “self-radicalized” on the Internet
     
    That was a mistaken interpretation - sorry if I gave you that impression.

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims.
     
    I have my doubt as to the details, but I know there are Muslims out there that can indeed be radicalized. My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me - in shock - that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever. I can also believe it because this stuff is happening in the Muslim world - extremists have shot up a school of kids in Pakistan, they do launch suicide attacks in Shiah mosques and funeral processions, and on and on. Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?

    There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.
     
    I was actually in direct contact with Michael Ruppert after 9/11 (helped disseminate his videos in the LA area) and I have grave misgivings about it and almost all the other incidents (how could a small Pakistani woman be mistakenly profiled by eye witnesses as a tall athletic male - as in San Bernadino). I do think there is a legitimate case to be made that many of these people are being led in a specific direction by radicals and then certain agencies are taking advantage of foreknowledge to let events occur in a controlled manner in order to benefit (there are billions of dollars at stake). But, I do not know and I don't think we'll ever know the full truth. Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick - it is what you are good at, not me. Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don't believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims. I believe you have your duty in the grand scheme to help end this violence and bloodshed, as do I and our roles are not the same.

    I'm not an Islamic “Uncle Tom” (I have little desire to be a 'house nigger' - if I am not a benefit to the people of the US; send me back, I'll happily live my life growing old, doing dhikr and answering the adhan) - I have come to UR because I was very interested in LewRockwell.com and this site shared many of the same authors. I read the comments and saw so many nonsense and ignorant comments about Islam and Muslims that I had to speak up and challenge some people's assumptions. At times I regret doing so, but I believe some have come to appreciate my input here - whether they agree with my conclusions - at least they can see what goes on in the head of a Muslim that comes from a traditional Sunni Orthodox position in contrast to all the stuff Daesh and their ilk put out - since they are the loudest voices these days. It is also the reason why I vigorously cite any claims I make.

    If you're in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants - my treat.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    Your post (#110).

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags? About the fact that they are being played, manipulated in order to be set against each other, against the West and eventually destroyed? Is it because they are too ashamed to admit that they are so easily being played? Don’t need to be too proud and ashamed. A very powerful force and very skillful operators with centuries of experience in “divide et impera” is working on muslims. Muslims can defend themselves only by exposing that force and by admitting to themselves that they are being played.

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    Hey utu,

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal - not long ago - asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.

    Peace.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags?
     
    In May of 2001, I was on a plane flying Qatar Airways from Doha to Barcelona. My previous flight was Hong Kong to Doha. The man sitting in the next seat was a Pakistani living in a Spain, who was returning from a trip home to Pakistan. We got to talking about various stuff. The man managed a hotel in Barcelona, previously lived in Germany, doing similar work, I guess.

    Finally, I couldn't resist asking him what he thought of the events in Abbottabad, the alleged killing of Osama Bin Laden. It was a few weeks after that, and I was pretty sure the event was a hoax of some sort, and was curious about his opinion. Up to that point, we had not touched on politics at all.

    His face changed and he seemed to get angry. I thought for a second he was angry at me, but he was just expressing his anger at the fraud of the whole thing. His voice raised and he said loudly: "All these stories are rubbish! NOBODY believes all this rubbish!" And he started talking about how absurd the whole 9/11 story was. And I guess I said something like: "So you don't believe this story.." and he said again loudly: "This is all nonsense. NOBODY believes it!"

    The thing is that, of course, plenty of people believe all this, but it occurred to me that this man, a Pakistani, in his social circles, simply nobody believed all these stories. They know that 9/11 was a false flag, they know the assassination of Bin Laden was a hoax (where's the body?) and so on.

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit. If you look back at all his commenting history, for example, it's interesting. I noticed only recently that this site allows you to search for words in people's commenting history. The words "extremist" and "radical" occur very frequently in Uncle Talha's comments, but the word "patsy" not even once.

    http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/Talha/?s=patsy&searchsubmit=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Talha

    He goes along with the entire Western synthetic narrative framing that there is some sort of "problem" in Islam and that Islam must clean itself up. It's like he doesn't know that all these events are false flag and the "Muslims" who are blamed are just patsies. In fact, the very word "patsy", in over 800 comments he has made, does not occur even once!

    If Uncle Talha here really believes that there are all these independent Jihadist terrorists doing all these things, he is possibly almost the only Pakistani alive who believes it!

    Anway, the guy gives off such a horrendous whiff of pure shillery. Like, look how he answered me on the 9/11 issue, sort of channeling Chomsky, like what it does it matter... when somebody starts with that shit you know he's dirty.

    If you're a Muslim and you know that they've constructed this blood libel and framed your fellow Muslims for this horrendous crime AND you know that they have used this blood libel to start wars in which hundreds of thousand or even millions of your fellow Muslims have been killed, AND then you say that 9/11 Truth doesn't really matter, then you must be some sort of dirtbag.

    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha's biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama? They love him, he's their Muslim lapdog, their Muzzie mascot. And dogs are loyal to their masters, in this case his Zionist masters, I guess.
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  139. joe webb says:

    If one does a timeline on our current problems with regard to muzzies and jews , etc. One has to start with the France and England (and a bit of Spain) colonialism.

    France got into Algeria around 1830. and England and Spain had their adventures a bit later…although Egyptian adventures were there too , earlier, as I recall. The French did sport killing of Algerians, or so do folks like Edward Said claim…probably true.

    The US kicked some Barbary Coast ass in Jefferson’s time to stop Arabs from enslaving White folks, which they justified on the ground of Allah’s enemies. of course, a true enemy should be killed not enslaved,but that logic is lost on the economic motivations of capturing free workers.

    Fast forward to Algerian War in which a half million or so ? Algerians were killed off. They also returned the compliment by bombing movie theaters filled with French. Sort of like Haiti in 1803 or so murdering 25,000 French men, women and children. Haiti really led the way for the slavish Black and Brown lives matter hatreds. The post colonial lefties love that Whites are getting what they deserve. Well, when the Muzzies are driven back to the deserts…that will have gone full circle with only a bit of mopping up to do…mopping blood I guess that means.

    So, then enter the jews. 1948 and counting. Then the beginning of the jew and shabbas goyem enablers among the foreign policy wonks. 20 years of war for the jews. Neoconservatives at play in the fields of the lord, which one does not matter.

    The next phase was and is the Migrant hordes of low life muzzies, with their average IQs at about 84, per Richard Lynn cashing in on White Altruism and dopiness. Yes we love you, all welcome. Give us your tired , your poor, your wretched (Lazarus the jew magic words) yearning for free money and free pussy.

    Then the poor white dopes start to stir when the crotch grabbers grab their women and children.

    Then the White Nationalist, excuse me! “Identity” characters start acting like White Racists!

    Then the rabbis in Europe welcome the rabble onto their turf, but never the turf of the Judenstaat.
    Israel just keeps keeping on…how long O lord does this go on?

    The neocons seem to be finished but nobody in the skin trade (aka network TV ) will take that one on and do a forensic on them.

    Then the idiots on this list go on and on about false flags, and Racism!

    Btw, I got other things to do than attend to the compulsives, or obsessives on this list, but thanks for noting my absence.

    So, Israel started the latest round of berzerk Arabs (Arab Spring?? I was the first to state that there would be no Spring….cuz of Arab stupidity and brutality). The Migration invasion being the latest chapter of the gift of the jews, you have to then note the positive irony that This is what seems to be stirring Whites in Europe from their liberal somnolence to wake up to smell the shit.

    White Nationalism of course is never admissible, but blacks, brown, jew nationalism is Liberation!

    So, thank you to the jews and the dummies on this list cannot quite get see it all in its Darwinian light. The fittest do survive, and dummies die.

    Trump is the reflection and expression of White Folks Awakening. The Counter-Evolution can be dated from 2015 or 2016.

    Joe Webb

    btw, in my work with Arabs around Palestine and Iraq sanctions a dozen years or so back, I learned just how stupid and violent Arabs are, probably not as bad as Negroes, but almost.

    Besides having invented 98 % of everything, we also are the only races to have had the psychological make-up to have invented liberty. Liberty is complex and the apes among us are incapable of even beginning to ‘conceptualize’ it.

    The next big thing after we have thrown out the arabs and the mexers, etc, will be throwing out the Chinese, who really are the worst of all the damn foreigners. There is no There there with them. And they are are smart. Totally totalitarian.

    By the way, the new movie on Billary is amazing…Billions of Turd World crooked money stashed in Clinton foundation, and Bill getting zillions for his speeches. The Third Worlization of the US.
    Scamers and grifters. Such a Wonderful World.

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  140. Art says:
    @vinteuil
    I don't think that Talha is Razib Khan - but I could be wrong.

    I don’t think that Talha is Razib Khan – but I could be wrong.

    Khan is very pompous – that is not Talha’s persona.

    Although the Muslim culture is a mystery to me – I feel that Talha represents the best of it.

    Art

    p.s. I do think that Muslins suffer from too much “God willing” thinking. Clearly our modern world it is more about “people willing.” We can be in charge of our future.

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    Although the Muslim culture is a mystery to me – I feel that Talha represents the best of it.
     
    Art, I think you should look at this "Talha" more carefully. I'm pretty sure you've fallen for a con.
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  141. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don't.

    iffen: [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don’t.

    Oh my — the super superior Jew and the super superior wanabe Jew – doing a tag team slap down on the Unz naves.

    How cute!

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    Art, you know less about architecture than you do politics, and that is a major accomplishment.

    Sorry, Talha, it's in my genes, it's going to be a struggle.
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  142. iffen says:
    @Art

    iffen: [Speaking of repentance and re-set, I am resolving (again) to stop name calling and poking fun at the dim witted.]

    Please don’t.
     

    Oh my -- the super superior Jew and the super superior wanabe Jew - doing a tag team slap down on the Unz naves.

    How cute!

    Art, you know less about architecture than you do politics, and that is a major accomplishment.

    Sorry, Talha, it’s in my genes, it’s going to be a struggle.

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  143. Sam Shama says:
    @anonymous
    What does your non sequitur have to do with two (at least) major non-facts (aka misrepresentations, aka prevarications, aka lies) that form the basis of the message of the video in question?

    Oh that dizzying acuity! As some man asked Moshe, Was there a lack of graves in Egypt, that you took us away to die in the wilderness? Exodus 14:11 . Irony there, and entirely wasted on you.

    That LOL from Talha ought to have been a clue as well.

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  144. Art says:

    Art, you know less about architecture than you do politics, and that is a major accomplishment.

    iffen,

    Hmm – working on your Joe Webb wanabe aspirations – are we?

    Art

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  145. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    It's my contribution to TO. If Joe can help, so can I.

    Rapier wit and praxis is key for TO on the Web, and you have it aplenty :)

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  146. Begemot says:
    @Quartermaster
    Perhaps you should pay better attention to what KGB dwarf is actually saying and doing.

    Quartermaster – My point about the Russian evacuation from Georgia is based on what was done. The Russians left Georgia. Georgia is still independent. A revanchist policy to reconstitute the USSR would not have abandoned this prize when it was in their grasp. Your comment is an evasion because the facts are against you. Follow your own advice, shed your irrational prejudices and LOOK at the facts.

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  147. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey alexander - sorry man, I'm not going to get involved in that exchange!

    As far as our policy vis-a-vis Israel - I have not been able to make heads or tales of it since I first became aware of it in university. Meaning, I can't figure out benefit to us - benefit to Israel is obvious.

    Peace.

    [I can’t figure out benefit to us – benefit to Israel is obvious.]

    I’ll explain. Continuing in the spirit of Tikkun Olam, and alexander [who I believe is Jewish or at least rather familiar with the culture] should comprehend immediately; it is called Ma’aser. Typically 10% of one’s income, a substantial discount, in light of America’s present difficulties, has been granted.

    Any further questions can be directed to Joe Webb.

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  148. DDearborn says:
    @Anonymous
    As usual The Saker defends atrocity committed by Muslims. Remember his article where refugee epidemic of rape is actually the German women's fault for being so slutty? No, Muslims never have any self will and any act of terrorism they do is always due to some false flag.

    Hmmm

    In reality looking back over the last 15 years the “Muslims” have hardly killed anybody (on their own) The US and its “allies” have killed literally millions of civilians which by an amazing coincidence are Christians and Muslims. Nary a Jew killed anywhere in the world. Not on 9-11 (where 4000 failed to show up for work that day) not throughout all the “wars” (invasions) by the “allies” and nary a one killed in all the so called “terrorist” attacks which always, always popped up at the most opportune times for Israel and/or the US. (4 major mass shootings in the US occurred right before or during the vote on gun control legislation in the US) (time after time, so called “Palestinian rocket attacks” were launched just prior to pre-planned Israeli attacks on Gaza)
    And of course the physical evidence that nearly all of these so called attacks were in fact false flags continues to mount by the day.

    The enemy isn’t Islam or radicalized Muslims sick and tired of being invaded and bombed right off the planet. The enemy is zionism. And the legions of dual citizen Americans that proliferate through out American government at all levels are the agents carrying the war to America. Israel which is in the grips of fanatical hard right war mongering wack jobs who masquerade as Orthodox Jews are the real threat not just to the Western World, but humanity in general.

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    I see your point, but don't know enough to speak otherwise. What I can't understand is why the Muslim attackers would willingly do the bidding of of these zionists?
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  149. Talha says:
    @utu
    Your post (#110).

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags? About the fact that they are being played, manipulated in order to be set against each other, against the West and eventually destroyed? Is it because they are too ashamed to admit that they are so easily being played? Don't need to be too proud and ashamed. A very powerful force and very skillful operators with centuries of experience in "divide et impera" is working on muslims. Muslims can defend themselves only by exposing that force and by admitting to themselves that they are being played.

    Hey utu,

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal – not long ago – asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.

    Peace.

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    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.
     
    You're a Zionist shill.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal – not long ago – asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.
     
    What a scumbag liar you are...
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  150. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Maybe, the leadership of the white led nations are telling us something. Something like you don’t know how good you’ve had it for two hundred years. The Leadership is of course the man who controls the money, meet: the Rothschild Family. Maybe the Rothschild’s are telling us in the US and Europe, by loading us down with people not like us and seemingly cruel, letting us get a taste of what the others have been going along with, all along -thank you, our dear and precious Constitution. Oh, that’s what is at stake here: our Constituti9on and Bill of Rights! Okay, take our blood but you cannot have our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I sense this horror we are living today is about finished. So, what’s next?

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    I'd say that this horror has barely yet begun and the US is ultimately to be the theatre.

    Going by Morgan's Law (There are two reasons for everything, a good reason and the real reason) all of those laws and militarisation of civil servants post 9/11 isn't actually there to be used to rein in muslims so much as to rein in and subgjugate everyone. Think about it, if one seeks to impose global domination, who poses the greatest threat? People with traditions of freedoms, individual rights and wealth surely.
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  151. joe webb says:

    Fw: NYTimes.com: How the ‘Stupid Party’ Created Donald Trump ( how to lie with statistics, or cherry-picking the illegals )
    People
    joe webb Jul 31 at 8:54 PM
    Message body

    —– Forwarded Message —–
    From: joe webb
    To: Joe Webb
    Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:24 PM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: How the ‘Stupid Party’ Created Donald Trump ( how to lie with statistics, or cherry-picking the illegals )

    “He claimed [Trump} that Mexican immigrants were “bringing crime” even though research consistently shows that immigrants have a lower crime rate than the native-born.

    The immigrants , the people who actually cross the border legally, and illegally, are the first people to escape the poverty of the shit third world, and tend to keep their noses clean. It is those born after the original immigrants who turn to crime. They do have the turd world filth in their memories, and resent the wealth of white folks, etc, are pretty dumb, Mexers particularly….average IQ at 90, and find, like the negroes that they mostly cannot compete for jobs that smarter Whites seek and hold. Thus, the land of free money is discovered to be not so fruitful for low IQ folks.

    Mexicans do about twice to three times the crime that Whites do. negroes in 1775 did little crime cuz they were chained up and probably had an average IQ of Africa today, around 70 or lower. Today, the children of the immigrant negroes do a whopping (about) 7 times the crime of Whites. Disparity? yup. Disparity in brain sizes for starters. Biology cannot be trumped. Negroes are about 25 % white today due to miscegenation. When it comes to murder is it about 12 times higher. They kill Whites 13 times more per capita than the reverse.

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    As for the Jew Boot’s claim that there is an anti-intellectual character to Trump, that is true. The liberal intellectuals, usually jews like those Boot quotes, are the people who got us into this mess in the first place.

    Americans, compared to the French croissant munching cafe crowd, do not have much respect for the pointy- headed ones. Given the French or American liberals’s Softness on Communism, think Sartre and tens of thousands of French communist intellectuals, led by jews of course, and their spawn, the Deconstructed Ones of the last few decades, almost all ex-communists and jews, the pragmatism of Americans is exactly what we need to get out of the mess cooked up by “intellectuals.” Even in France today, anti-migrant opinion refuses the thinking of Race, and instead uses the term “Identity,” a weak-kneed and pussy formulation of mice-balled frogs. Race is a magic word….brings up the Devil and Hitler. Grow up folks. It is race, biology, genes, evolution not The Rights of Man…which to be fair, meant White men in context. Even women were excluded, a not entirely wrong view of things even today, given the emotionalism of our gals, god love ‘em.

    I told a local Woman for Billary, that if a man from Mars was asked what he thought about our current political situation, he might say that given the mess all over the country, and in Europe, that voting for more of the same and worse, as opposed to voting for an abrupt change of direction, mostly a turning around toward a more conservative politics, etc, might make some sense. Forget the Bitch and forget Trump as persons. Look at the thing logically. Forget it…no logic from 80% of women and about 35% of men.

    Reminds me of an old Seinfeld line about ‘doing the opposite.’ Anything Boot says, or for that matter, what any jew or liberal says, do the opposite.

    The liberal’s starting point is that everything can be made better. That has had some merit with regard to White people. Not much, but some. With regard to niggers and the wretched of the earth generally, it is completely untrue. All you have to do is read the news out of Africa, or anywhere in the Third World. There is no good news, it is all bad. Always has been and always will be.

    Whites are the only race with a high enough Reasoning Quotient and low enough anger quotient, to keep things more or less ok within a small d democratic context. Asia goes totalitarian, Africa goes chaotic, and South America goes Third World depending on how many indigenous amerindians there are in any country. The Caribbean is a waste because it is heavily black. Haiti has the same IQ as Africa: 67. Mexico is a shithole, totally corrupt, and teetering on becoming a failed state, which will send a wave of greasers norte.

    The liberals love the darkies. The liberals are insane, a kind of ‘going bush’ to escape their Abstractions and untethered Ideas that prevent them from, as the Zen folks would say, being able to just carry water or chop wood. Their brains are always racing…god is love, black and white together, we shall overcome, everyone is equal, love everybody, other kids are just as valuable as my own, whites are racist, marry a nigger and prove how Good I am…uh…oh Lord make me a true negro lover, welcome the stranger, love the border jumpers, no borders, no discrimination, let me lie down with the lowest protoplasm of the human form. I am good, love me, love me, love me, I am a liberal. Big Reaction Formation, psychologically speaking, defending against the Truth of the World…that things are not that great in general, even for Whites. O Lord…say it isn’t so!

    Joe Webb

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    correction…”they do NOT have the Third World filth…’ second paragraph.

    Soft hearted….includes soft spot in the brain. You guys don’t have an argument, as I keep on keeping on about..your words are ad hominem. I don’t get it…I admit it, are you just anti-semites with time on your hands?

    here we are in the beginning of the counter-revolution and you just keep obsessing on the jews and appear to be racial democrats…goofy ….guess you are mostly turd worlders milking white taxpayer pocket books. and none of you use your names, cowards, pussies, mice balled, girlie men.

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  152. @utu
    Your post (#110).

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags? About the fact that they are being played, manipulated in order to be set against each other, against the West and eventually destroyed? Is it because they are too ashamed to admit that they are so easily being played? Don't need to be too proud and ashamed. A very powerful force and very skillful operators with centuries of experience in "divide et impera" is working on muslims. Muslims can defend themselves only by exposing that force and by admitting to themselves that they are being played.

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags?

    In May of 2001, I was on a plane flying Qatar Airways from Doha to Barcelona. My previous flight was Hong Kong to Doha. The man sitting in the next seat was a Pakistani living in a Spain, who was returning from a trip home to Pakistan. We got to talking about various stuff. The man managed a hotel in Barcelona, previously lived in Germany, doing similar work, I guess.

    Finally, I couldn’t resist asking him what he thought of the events in Abbottabad, the alleged killing of Osama Bin Laden. It was a few weeks after that, and I was pretty sure the event was a hoax of some sort, and was curious about his opinion. Up to that point, we had not touched on politics at all.

    His face changed and he seemed to get angry. I thought for a second he was angry at me, but he was just expressing his anger at the fraud of the whole thing. His voice raised and he said loudly: “All these stories are rubbish! NOBODY believes all this rubbish!” And he started talking about how absurd the whole 9/11 story was. And I guess I said something like: “So you don’t believe this story..” and he said again loudly: “This is all nonsense. NOBODY believes it!”

    The thing is that, of course, plenty of people believe all this, but it occurred to me that this man, a Pakistani, in his social circles, simply nobody believed all these stories. They know that 9/11 was a false flag, they know the assassination of Bin Laden was a hoax (where’s the body?) and so on.

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit. If you look back at all his commenting history, for example, it’s interesting. I noticed only recently that this site allows you to search for words in people’s commenting history. The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/Talha/?s=patsy&searchsubmit=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Talha

    He goes along with the entire Western synthetic narrative framing that there is some sort of “problem” in Islam and that Islam must clean itself up. It’s like he doesn’t know that all these events are false flag and the “Muslims” who are blamed are just patsies. In fact, the very word “patsy”, in over 800 comments he has made, does not occur even once!

    If Uncle Talha here really believes that there are all these independent Jihadist terrorists doing all these things, he is possibly almost the only Pakistani alive who believes it!

    Anway, the guy gives off such a horrendous whiff of pure shillery. Like, look how he answered me on the 9/11 issue, sort of channeling Chomsky, like what it does it matter… when somebody starts with that shit you know he’s dirty.

    If you’re a Muslim and you know that they’ve constructed this blood libel and framed your fellow Muslims for this horrendous crime AND you know that they have used this blood libel to start wars in which hundreds of thousand or even millions of your fellow Muslims have been killed, AND then you say that 9/11 Truth doesn’t really matter, then you must be some sort of dirtbag.

    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama? They love him, he’s their Muslim lapdog, their Muzzie mascot. And dogs are loyal to their masters, in this case his Zionist masters, I guess.

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    You are right about Talha.
    , @NoseytheDuke
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  153. @Talha
    Hey utu,

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal - not long ago - asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.

    Peace.

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

    You’re a Zionist shill.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal – not long ago – asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

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    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Your posts on this thread have left me very depressed. I really, really, really want your overall worldview to be correct. It would be great if the overwhelming majority of evil deeds attributed to Muslims could be pinned on other people, especially Jews :)

    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written. (Well, not the 9/11 part, pigs don't fly and 3 buildings don't get knocked down by 2 planes).

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit.

    There is no rational way one could come to this conclusion after reading his response.

    The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    Not everyone focuses on the same issues as you. As a traditional Sunni, he is more concerned with how Salafism/Wahhabism is disfiguring Muslim society. Maybe you interpret "extremist" to mean terrorist, but he is using it to mean Wahhabi. And these people exist. Millions of them. Even if every single Muslim terrorist attack is a false flag, Islam still has an extremism problem. The Taliban exist. Wahhabis who fund madrasas everywhere and despise all non-Muslims and non-Sunnis even exist, this isn't some media disinformation campaign. Even if one were to argue that Wahhabism itself is largely the result of American financial and military largesse over many decades, that doesn't mean it isn't a serious problem within Islam itself at this point.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it. Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies? If so, that still will be depressing for Muslims, as it suggests some sort of spiritual immunodeficiency syndrome that too many Muslims are susceptible to. Or does patsy mean completely innocent?


    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama?


    I think this is more because they really hate you, not that they like him.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is. Go find 100 Pakistanis if you don't believe me, they all will tell you there is nothing outlandish about this story at all. The manner in which many Pakistanis will attribute any malign event to Israel, India, or the US is a fact, regardless of whether their paranoia has some legitimate basis or not.

    And it isn't your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn't down with Black Lives Matter.
    , @Sam Shama
    If you can gratuitously insult Talha in this manner- a person who has demonstrated nothing but grace and friendliness - I am sure you don't balk at cursing the Virgin Mary, there in Spain.

    Anywhere, any discussion, any cast of participants, introduce the shadow of Revusky and it's corpus, and unfailingly, putridity of the air is the result.

    Are their words that can justly describe your corrupted soul? Calling you a nitwit and a mouth-breather was a charitable pass. Get you genes checked; further to the paranoia diagnosed months ago, you are almost certainly afflicted by a condition arising from homozygous deleterious genes : inbred depression.
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  154. Jatz07 says:
    @Quartermaster
    Yet, Russia brought more in. Most of the "troops" in Crimea were there incidental to the Black Sea fleet being there. There is a huge difference between the troops that stole Crimea, and those that were already there.

    I’ll say it again … piffle. Do remind me know all how many people were killed in this Russian take over of Crimea … one perhaps. Its always the bigmouth who know nothing. Post the date and where you stayed in your last visit to Crimea.

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  155. Jatz07 says:
    @Quartermaster
    You need to pay attention to what Putin has actually said. He has rattled nuclear sabers. More than once, no less. Claiming it's piffle simply shows you need to get out more.

    Get out more, Oh from an American likely, how ludicrous when 85% of Americans have never had a passport. Remind me how many nuke the US have lying about in Turkey, talk about sabre rattling. Problem with Putin he is too soft, Russia needs a more hard liner to deal with the filth in Washington.

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  156. @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I can see where the confusion is; I should have been more clear since my words can be misinterpreted - I have known some Muslims who have started on the path of repentance and looked to blame others (like the 'West') for their own prior deficiencies NOT those who have then subsequently made the hop to becoming radicalized. If I did know someone who had gone over the edge, I would call the authorities as I believe it is my duty. When I encounter people like this who are sincerely trying to change themselves, I try my best to get them on track with traditional Orthodox scholars and even a Sufi order (if they are open to that route) so they do not get side-tracked by the Salafi/Wahhabi extremists. One of my spiritual teachers has talked a man out of a suicide attack, but that was in Pakistan where a lot of those happen.

    As to your other concerns...

    Yes, I'm a Muslim and quite real - Qasim can vouch for me - we have interacted outside of UR.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them.
     

    I do get upset (this is natural), but I do not react in kind - this is what I have learned at the feet of my teachers. I will be asked about what I have done in life, others will be asked about what they have done. But I do have limits - in fact, I have told people that I will continue dialog as long as it maintains a modicum of civility; and I have politely called it quits when people have resorted to ad hominem attacks and outright juvenile behavior - I care not to be anyone's punching bag - "Homie don't play that". Shouldn't civility be encouraged and cultivated? Do we want the vitriol and inanity that passes for 'interaction' on most forums to be the norm?

    To be completely honest; what has upset me the most are some of the postings by 'Rehmat' - which I tried to advise him against - that lead to people lashing back and denigrating the Prophet (pbuh) - that stuff really hurts.


    Maybe it’s a result of your Sufi spiritual practice
     
    Look, I have been training for more than a decade under teachers of the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi order to get my ego under control. If I lose my composure due to someone's rantings on an anonymous forum, I should just call my teachers and call it quits; there is no hope for me. It is very simple:
    "And We have made some of you as trial for others - will you not have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing." 25:20

    And, honestly, where would it get me anyway in the discourse? Ask yourself, does anybody listen to whoever 'Rehmat' is?

    And I will say this; if someone angers or wrongs you - force yourself to pray for them and their family and all the good things you can ask for them - you will doubtfully ever make a more sincere, selfless prayer.


    Like, now, you say you personally know people who “self-radicalized” on the Internet
     
    That was a mistaken interpretation - sorry if I gave you that impression.

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims.
     
    I have my doubt as to the details, but I know there are Muslims out there that can indeed be radicalized. My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me - in shock - that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever. I can also believe it because this stuff is happening in the Muslim world - extremists have shot up a school of kids in Pakistan, they do launch suicide attacks in Shiah mosques and funeral processions, and on and on. Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?

    There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.
     
    I was actually in direct contact with Michael Ruppert after 9/11 (helped disseminate his videos in the LA area) and I have grave misgivings about it and almost all the other incidents (how could a small Pakistani woman be mistakenly profiled by eye witnesses as a tall athletic male - as in San Bernadino). I do think there is a legitimate case to be made that many of these people are being led in a specific direction by radicals and then certain agencies are taking advantage of foreknowledge to let events occur in a controlled manner in order to benefit (there are billions of dollars at stake). But, I do not know and I don't think we'll ever know the full truth. Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick - it is what you are good at, not me. Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don't believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims. I believe you have your duty in the grand scheme to help end this violence and bloodshed, as do I and our roles are not the same.

    I'm not an Islamic “Uncle Tom” (I have little desire to be a 'house nigger' - if I am not a benefit to the people of the US; send me back, I'll happily live my life growing old, doing dhikr and answering the adhan) - I have come to UR because I was very interested in LewRockwell.com and this site shared many of the same authors. I read the comments and saw so many nonsense and ignorant comments about Islam and Muslims that I had to speak up and challenge some people's assumptions. At times I regret doing so, but I believe some have come to appreciate my input here - whether they agree with my conclusions - at least they can see what goes on in the head of a Muslim that comes from a traditional Sunni Orthodox position in contrast to all the stuff Daesh and their ilk put out - since they are the loudest voices these days. It is also the reason why I vigorously cite any claims I make.

    If you're in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants - my treat.

    May God preserve you and yours.

    This is sort of an interesting pas à deux now. Okay, first of all, I see through your bullshit. I see clearly what is going on here with this constructed “Uncle Talha” persona. I suppose you realize that I see through you and you aren’t going to con me, so the responses you write are an attempt to con 3rd parties reading this. So there are things like:

    Yes, I’m a Muslim and quite real – Qasim can vouch for me – we have interacted outside of UR.

    One anonymous person is is going to “vouch for”another anonymous person? Strange idea.

    Anyway, I think you’ve fucked up. To anybody paying the slightest attention, you have basically outed yourself as a total phony. It is in particular when you respond regarding the 9/11 Truth issue that you expose yourself as a complete fraud.

    You are a complete fraud, both intellectually and morally.

    Like consider this:

    But, I do not know and I don’t think we’ll ever know the full truth.

    You see, this is the kind of line that gives off such a whiff of total shillery. “I don’t think we’ll ever know the full truth.”

    Look, this 9/11 event is a constructed blood libel of Muslims, your people (assuming you really are a Muslim) and was used to launch wars in which hundreds of thousands, probably millions of your fellow Muslims have perished unjustly.

    I am pretty sure that Sharia law, like Talmudic law in Judaism for example, has very clear stipulations on accusations and the need for proof. If people are saying that Muslims committed such crimes as 9/11 and other such events, there is a need to know what the proof of this is.

    Also, if you really were a Muslim who cared for his people, you would surely, as I do, demand that people tell you what the proof is.

    Though I am not a Muslim, I am certain that my stance is the correct one according to Sharia law. These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.

    By constrast, your stance is to say things like:

    Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?

    In other words, Muslims could have been “radicalized” and thus committed whatever crimes. That is enough for you and you do not demand any actual proof and then you go on to say basically that you do not demand proof of these stories because you could be catalogued as a “conspiracy theorist”. Oh how terrible, oy vey…

    Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don’t believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims.

    So, you don’t challenge this blood libel of your people, don’t express any anger about it even, because people might call you a “conspiracy theorist”. What a lickspittle toady coward you are! Truly contemptible.

    Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick – it is what you are good at, not me.

    So what are you good at then, just making up lies and bullshit? Like this:

    My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever.

    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that. I wasn’t born yesterday. This is just a lie. This “Talha” construct just exists as a conduit for these kinds of lies.

    What’s the weather like in Tel Aviv? Hot, eh? Well, you’ve probably got air conditioning in your office.

    If you’re in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants – my treat.

    Well, how would I ever get in touch with you? You’ve given me no phone number?? Should I look under the T’s in the phone book?

    Well, never mind. I don’t dine with swine.

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    Hey JR,

    I suppose no good deed goes unpunished...at the risk of receiving more of a backlash from you, let me clarify a few more things. First though, you brought a smile to my face - so may God keep you smiling - because I have never before been called a Zionist shill. I'm definitely going to convey this to some of the brothers from the old MSA on campus and we'll have a laugh about it. I've participated in rallies in front of the Israeli embassy in LA, helped create pamphlets against Zionism and even almost came to blows with the Zionists on campus (but that was 20 years and 20 pounds ago - ;) ) so I don't feel I need to prove myself on that front. Favorite experience was ruining a campus Israeli Independence Day celebration in my third or fourth year - we marched out right in the middle of it with signs and held a silent protest - totally ruined the whole atmosphere. Anyway...

    These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.
     
    You are absolutely correct in this, which is why I don't take the official version as gospel truth on 9/11 or a whole host of other events. There is a verse in the Qur'an that may interest you (that my son, daughter and I have memorized): "O you who believe, if an iniquitous person comes to you with some news, verify it (investigate to ascertain the truth), lest you should harm others unwittingly and then regret what you have done." 49:6

    The US government and media are NOT credible witnesses, which is why I am open to many possibilities apart from the official narrative. However, I am not going to take an oath and state no Muslims were involved. I think that is a reasonable stance to take, you do not. I find it very suspicious that most of the perpetrators of these crimes are conveniently dead. I am very open to them being patsies - which is what I was getting at in my last comment to you. And many are being manipulated and set up. Will Grigg does an awesome job of exposing the holes in the many instances of entrapment laid out by the authorities:
    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/03/inside-fbis-terrorism-factory.html

    On the flip side, some are indeed alive and people like Faisal Shahzad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad) was explicit in a public trial as to why he tried to do what he did.

    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that.
     
    Some do indeed. While some are the most sagacious living men on the planet; I met the erudite Yemeni scholar/Sufi Shaykh Habib Zain bin Sumait (ra) in Madinah - a walking lamp of guidance. I'll go a bit further, my brother also knew of at least one man who was disappeared for criticizing the regime - this stuff happens. Look, the extremist Wahhabi movement that came out of the Najd and caused massive havoc such that the Ottomans sent two armies to defeat it is both real and had zero to do with Zionism. These people exist and they are quite dangerous. I actually appreciate that you think Muslims are angelic people - I honestly wish that were so, but there is a problem within our midst that is not going to be remedied by always pointing the finger outward. Also that story about my aunt is true (embarrassing as it is) - but she is a lovely and gentle lady. Here are a couple of clips with a Sunni Orthodox Muslim scholar - the brilliant Shaykh Bilal Ansari (db), who taught me and others about the hadith sciences - which covers basically all the salient points succinctly and sanely:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuhpTMrlSA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52lct3XWGTs

    The saddest thing about this exchange is; I was actually appreciative of your articles and many of your comments. However, your judgement on my case being so far off the mark has indeed caused me to question your conclusions on other matters.

    My google profile website is referenced above - the offer still stands. I don't dine with swine either - they are najis 'aini gotta avoid them touching utensils and such.

    Peace.
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  157. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags?
     
    In May of 2001, I was on a plane flying Qatar Airways from Doha to Barcelona. My previous flight was Hong Kong to Doha. The man sitting in the next seat was a Pakistani living in a Spain, who was returning from a trip home to Pakistan. We got to talking about various stuff. The man managed a hotel in Barcelona, previously lived in Germany, doing similar work, I guess.

    Finally, I couldn't resist asking him what he thought of the events in Abbottabad, the alleged killing of Osama Bin Laden. It was a few weeks after that, and I was pretty sure the event was a hoax of some sort, and was curious about his opinion. Up to that point, we had not touched on politics at all.

    His face changed and he seemed to get angry. I thought for a second he was angry at me, but he was just expressing his anger at the fraud of the whole thing. His voice raised and he said loudly: "All these stories are rubbish! NOBODY believes all this rubbish!" And he started talking about how absurd the whole 9/11 story was. And I guess I said something like: "So you don't believe this story.." and he said again loudly: "This is all nonsense. NOBODY believes it!"

    The thing is that, of course, plenty of people believe all this, but it occurred to me that this man, a Pakistani, in his social circles, simply nobody believed all these stories. They know that 9/11 was a false flag, they know the assassination of Bin Laden was a hoax (where's the body?) and so on.

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit. If you look back at all his commenting history, for example, it's interesting. I noticed only recently that this site allows you to search for words in people's commenting history. The words "extremist" and "radical" occur very frequently in Uncle Talha's comments, but the word "patsy" not even once.

    http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/Talha/?s=patsy&searchsubmit=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Talha

    He goes along with the entire Western synthetic narrative framing that there is some sort of "problem" in Islam and that Islam must clean itself up. It's like he doesn't know that all these events are false flag and the "Muslims" who are blamed are just patsies. In fact, the very word "patsy", in over 800 comments he has made, does not occur even once!

    If Uncle Talha here really believes that there are all these independent Jihadist terrorists doing all these things, he is possibly almost the only Pakistani alive who believes it!

    Anway, the guy gives off such a horrendous whiff of pure shillery. Like, look how he answered me on the 9/11 issue, sort of channeling Chomsky, like what it does it matter... when somebody starts with that shit you know he's dirty.

    If you're a Muslim and you know that they've constructed this blood libel and framed your fellow Muslims for this horrendous crime AND you know that they have used this blood libel to start wars in which hundreds of thousand or even millions of your fellow Muslims have been killed, AND then you say that 9/11 Truth doesn't really matter, then you must be some sort of dirtbag.

    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha's biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama? They love him, he's their Muslim lapdog, their Muzzie mascot. And dogs are loyal to their masters, in this case his Zionist masters, I guess.

    You are right about Talha.

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    You are right about Talha.
     
    Hi, Utu. I'm glad you can see that.

    Before calling it out, I spent some time poring through Talha's commenting history. They really have put a lot of effort into constructing this phony "good Muslim" Talha persona.

    Of course, it's pretty telling that his most strident defenders will be the Zionist shills here. But, it's not just them. He had a lot of people conned and a lot of people have a hard time admitting that they were conned. This is called "cognitive dissonance".

    But the "Talha" persona is a con job pretty clearly.
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  158. @Art
    I don’t think that Talha is Razib Khan – but I could be wrong.

    Khan is very pompous - that is not Talha's persona.

    Although the Muslim culture is a mystery to me – I feel that Talha represents the best of it.

    Art

    p.s. I do think that Muslins suffer from too much “God willing” thinking. Clearly our modern world it is more about “people willing.” We can be in charge of our future.

    Although the Muslim culture is a mystery to me – I feel that Talha represents the best of it.

    Art, I think you should look at this “Talha” more carefully. I’m pretty sure you’ve fallen for a con.

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    Talha: If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.
     
    I believe that this is 100% true - The Sunni Arabs cannot advance because they cannot trust each other - it is that simple - they always think conspiracy - they need a strong man who can kick butt and make them cooperate - otherwise they would just intellectually fight each other.

    If you want to understand Arabs watch "Lawrence of Arabia." Socially little has changed.

    Another problem in the Muslim world is that the language is imprecise – that what is said is wrapped in mystery and flowery innuendo – not clear rational thoughts.

    A quote from Talha. “The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin.” – reported in Ibn Majah. Sorry but I do not have a clue as to what that means.

    Here is Jesus on the subject. “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” That language is clear – there is no mistaking what it means. There is no riddle.

    As to Talha himself – I think people are being for the first time, exposed to a real honest to God good Muslim – and they cannot handle it. His speech and thought patterns and flowery language are just foreign to them.

    I have seen nothing that he has said, that is grossly morally objectionable. In his attempts to make things right, he has defended Gentile, Muslim, and Jew – and he has even been kind to Joe Webb.
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  159. Qasim says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.
     
    You're a Zionist shill.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal – not long ago – asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.
     
    What a scumbag liar you are...

    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Your posts on this thread have left me very depressed. I really, really, really want your overall worldview to be correct. It would be great if the overwhelming majority of evil deeds attributed to Muslims could be pinned on other people, especially Jews :)

    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written. (Well, not the 9/11 part, pigs don’t fly and 3 buildings don’t get knocked down by 2 planes).

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit.

    There is no rational way one could come to this conclusion after reading his response.

    The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    Not everyone focuses on the same issues as you. As a traditional Sunni, he is more concerned with how Salafism/Wahhabism is disfiguring Muslim society. Maybe you interpret “extremist” to mean terrorist, but he is using it to mean Wahhabi. And these people exist. Millions of them. Even if every single Muslim terrorist attack is a false flag, Islam still has an extremism problem. The Taliban exist. Wahhabis who fund madrasas everywhere and despise all non-Muslims and non-Sunnis even exist, this isn’t some media disinformation campaign. Even if one were to argue that Wahhabism itself is largely the result of American financial and military largesse over many decades, that doesn’t mean it isn’t a serious problem within Islam itself at this point.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it. Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies? If so, that still will be depressing for Muslims, as it suggests some sort of spiritual immunodeficiency syndrome that too many Muslims are susceptible to. Or does patsy mean completely innocent?


    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama?

    I think this is more because they really hate you, not that they like him.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is. Go find 100 Pakistanis if you don’t believe me, they all will tell you there is nothing outlandish about this story at all. The manner in which many Pakistanis will attribute any malign event to Israel, India, or the US is a fact, regardless of whether their paranoia has some legitimate basis or not.

    And it isn’t your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn’t down with Black Lives Matter.

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    white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon

    Don't you want to say that she would be calling him an Uncle Tom?
    , @Sam Shama
    Wrong on both counts mate; I like Talha, a funny, intelligent and gentle soul. Revusky does not merit my dislike, only scientific curiosity of his genetic makeup
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.
     
    Yes, of course I remember that. I did reply to you and I am replying to you now, but this will likely be the last reply.

    Obviously there is now a cloud over you as well, since Uncle Talha offered you up as his character reference. Now, obviously, the whole idea is ridiculous, the notion that one anonymous commenter "vouches for" another one. Surely you understand that a "web of trust" must be anchored by at least one person that you actually know and trust. I do not know you and, at this point, certainly do not trust you.


    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it.
     
    Oh, so before you read the first article I wrote, you had never heard the word "patsy". Okay, fine, it's simple. It's somebody who is set up to take the blame for a crime. Like Lee Harvey Oswald. That's a patsy. Fine, you didn't know that before....

    But NOW, half a year after reading the article, you still don't know what the word means? You don't understand the concept???? WTF?? WTF is this? Rocket science? Quantum mechanics? They set up somebody to take the blame for a crime, a pasty, and after half a year, you say "I still am not totally sure what you mean by it".

    For you to be saying this honestly, you would have to be just about the stupidest fucker on the face of the earth. Either that, or you're simply not honest. I opt for the latter conclusion. You may well not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but nobody is that fucking stupid. You're obviously playing a game.

    The point is that I can't waste much time talking with you either way. Either you are playing a game or you really are that stupid. If you are that stupid, it's a complete waste of time to talk to you. Go on EBay. Maybe somebody is auctioning off a second-hand brain...

    Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies?
     
    No, I am not suggesting that. The ENTIRE Truth community devoted to these questions is suggesting that! Well, they're not just suggesting it either. There is a whole literature on the topic that demonstrates it quite thoroughly.

    Now, the whole idea that you are concerned by these questions and manage to be so completely and utterly ignorant, to the point of not even understanding what the word "patsy" means, this is of course a game. The game is the Good Muslim/Bad Muslim game.

    You and Uncle Talha are the "good Muslims" who are somehow so fucking stupid that they don't know who the real terrorists are!

    We could say that you're the Pakistani poodles and Muzzie mascots of the Zionist criminals.

    Somebody like Rehmat is a "bad Muslim" and you will denounce him and it's a dead giveaway what you do, because you'll use the weaponized term "conspiracy theorist" to denounce somebody like that when he says straightforwardly who the real terrorists are. This is the "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" game.

    It's a whole synthetic narrative that is part of the Zionist playbook. If a Muslim tells the truth about these false flags and says who the real terrorists are, that's a "bad Muslim". "Bad Muslim, bad, bad!" And when you've got some bad Muslims, you set up some other people to be the "good Muslims".

    So, this is the game and you have stupid people here who don't understand the game and some of them, very goodhearted fall for this, and say: "Oh, Uncle Talha is a 'good Muslim' and this terrible Revusky is attacking this person."

    The thing is that they don't understand the anatomy of the disinformation campaign.

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is.
     
    The point of Uncle Talha's story about the Pakistani grandma is just to plant the idea that Pakistanis are these backward, ignorant people, in this case, that they could believe that diseases can be transmitted via a phone call. And these are the benighted people who believe in so-called "conspiracy theories", ya dee da.... People should see through this kind of garbage.

    And it isn’t your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn’t down with Black Lives Matter.
     
    Quite the contrary. It is up to me to judge for myself who is playing a game and who is for real. I see that you are a phony.

    The game is over wrt me. I see through you guys. Maybe you can still con some other people. But with me, it's over.

    So, in closing, fuck off. Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.
    , @Talha
    Salaam Qasim,

    Just saw JR's reply to you - wow...

    Very sorry for getting you mixed up in this, I absolutely was not expecting that level of disrespect leveled at a third party. Had I known, I would not have made reference to you at all. Again wow...

    By the way, I should be seeing the good doctor Padella soon - I'll bring up the book. Hopefully he's read it and gives it accolades.

    Fi amanillah.
    , @iffen
    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written.

    This I can't understand. Why do you wonder?
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  160. iffen says:
    @Qasim
    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Your posts on this thread have left me very depressed. I really, really, really want your overall worldview to be correct. It would be great if the overwhelming majority of evil deeds attributed to Muslims could be pinned on other people, especially Jews :)

    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written. (Well, not the 9/11 part, pigs don't fly and 3 buildings don't get knocked down by 2 planes).

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit.

    There is no rational way one could come to this conclusion after reading his response.

    The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    Not everyone focuses on the same issues as you. As a traditional Sunni, he is more concerned with how Salafism/Wahhabism is disfiguring Muslim society. Maybe you interpret "extremist" to mean terrorist, but he is using it to mean Wahhabi. And these people exist. Millions of them. Even if every single Muslim terrorist attack is a false flag, Islam still has an extremism problem. The Taliban exist. Wahhabis who fund madrasas everywhere and despise all non-Muslims and non-Sunnis even exist, this isn't some media disinformation campaign. Even if one were to argue that Wahhabism itself is largely the result of American financial and military largesse over many decades, that doesn't mean it isn't a serious problem within Islam itself at this point.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it. Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies? If so, that still will be depressing for Muslims, as it suggests some sort of spiritual immunodeficiency syndrome that too many Muslims are susceptible to. Or does patsy mean completely innocent?


    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama?


    I think this is more because they really hate you, not that they like him.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is. Go find 100 Pakistanis if you don't believe me, they all will tell you there is nothing outlandish about this story at all. The manner in which many Pakistanis will attribute any malign event to Israel, India, or the US is a fact, regardless of whether their paranoia has some legitimate basis or not.

    And it isn't your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn't down with Black Lives Matter.

    white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon

    Don’t you want to say that she would be calling him an Uncle Tom?

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    The terms are synonymous in jive.
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  161. Art says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Although the Muslim culture is a mystery to me – I feel that Talha represents the best of it.
     
    Art, I think you should look at this "Talha" more carefully. I'm pretty sure you've fallen for a con.

    Talha: If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

    I believe that this is 100% true – The Sunni Arabs cannot advance because they cannot trust each other – it is that simple – they always think conspiracy – they need a strong man who can kick butt and make them cooperate – otherwise they would just intellectually fight each other.

    If you want to understand Arabs watch “Lawrence of Arabia.” Socially little has changed.

    Another problem in the Muslim world is that the language is imprecise – that what is said is wrapped in mystery and flowery innuendo – not clear rational thoughts.

    A quote from Talha. “The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin.” – reported in Ibn Majah. Sorry but I do not have a clue as to what that means.

    Here is Jesus on the subject. “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” That language is clear – there is no mistaking what it means. There is no riddle.

    As to Talha himself – I think people are being for the first time, exposed to a real honest to God good Muslim – and they cannot handle it. His speech and thought patterns and flowery language are just foreign to them.

    I have seen nothing that he has said, that is grossly morally objectionable. In his attempts to make things right, he has defended Gentile, Muslim, and Jew – and he has even been kind to Joe Webb.

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    Actually Talha's quote is not so obscure to me, I understand it to mean that if you take responsibility for your actions, learn from your mistakes and work to make amends then spiritually you are forgiven. Not that much difference to the message of Jesus, to my way of thinking, but then I might be a bit stupid and I think Joe Webb might have even said so at some point. I do admit to knowing very little of any religion. My belief is that they all can be used for good or evil.

    I have simply thought that Talha seeks to improve the image and understanding of Islam by providing a very good example and I think JC had said something quite similar but of course, in his own way.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    If you want to understand Arabs watch “Lawrence of Arabia.”
     
    Art, we all progress at the rate we progress at. It took me a decade or so to see through 9/11. Other people were much faster. So we all do the best we can.

    At this point, Art, you really should try to understand that a movie like "Lawrence of Arabia" (much as I love the film) is not a serious portrayal of Arab culture. The Arabs in the movie are basically stock cartoon Arabs, the kind of Arab characters you have in any Hollywood movie.

    Oh, by the way, who is it who controls Hollywood again, Art?

    As to Talha himself – I think people are being for the first time, exposed to a real honest to God good Muslim – and they cannot handle it.
     
    Uhh, no. What you are being exposed to is a real honest to God con artist. And some people cannot handle that, because they cannot accept that they were conned.

    Well, Mark Twain famously said: “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
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  162. iffen says:

    A quote from Talha. “The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin.” – reported in Ibn Majah. Sorry but I do not have a clue as to what that means.

    8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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  163. […] Or why ISIS drives around in Toyota trucks kindly donated by the US State Department? As the Saker puts […]

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  164. @alexander
    Yes, perhaps I did,

    But while we are also on the subject of Iffen's disgruntlement at having been shafted his extra twenty shekels by his paymaster,

    why would any nation on earth that has generated a truly obscene and unconscionable national debt of $21,000,000,000,000.00 in a mere fifteen years, dole out another 3.5 billion dollars in "interest free" aid to another country ?

    Where does our government expect to find the money to do this ?

    Can you explain this to me Tahla, now that I am (uh-oh) "baited" in ?

    I , for one, would use the 3.5 billion to pay down our heinous debt and get our own house in order, before we dole it out..... to anybody.

    but I suppose that kind of thinking is an affront to Iffen's shekel count.

    I have not explored this but a favoured American expression is, Follow the money! Perhaps a simple look at whether or not there was a steep increase in financial payments made directly after November 1963 might shed some light on the matter.

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  165. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.
     
    You're a Zionist shill.

    Case in point; my dear elderly aunt from Karachi had called my cousin in So Cal – not long ago – asking if it was OK to use her cell phone because the word on the street was that the Jews had released a virus in the Muslim world that was transmitted through cellular call.
     
    What a scumbag liar you are...

    If you can gratuitously insult Talha in this manner- a person who has demonstrated nothing but grace and friendliness – I am sure you don’t balk at cursing the Virgin Mary, there in Spain.

    Anywhere, any discussion, any cast of participants, introduce the shadow of Revusky and it’s corpus, and unfailingly, putridity of the air is the result.

    Are their words that can justly describe your corrupted soul? Calling you a nitwit and a mouth-breather was a charitable pass. Get you genes checked; further to the paranoia diagnosed months ago, you are almost certainly afflicted by a condition arising from homozygous deleterious genes : inbred depression.

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  166. Sam Shama says:
    @Qasim
    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Your posts on this thread have left me very depressed. I really, really, really want your overall worldview to be correct. It would be great if the overwhelming majority of evil deeds attributed to Muslims could be pinned on other people, especially Jews :)

    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written. (Well, not the 9/11 part, pigs don't fly and 3 buildings don't get knocked down by 2 planes).

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit.

    There is no rational way one could come to this conclusion after reading his response.

    The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    Not everyone focuses on the same issues as you. As a traditional Sunni, he is more concerned with how Salafism/Wahhabism is disfiguring Muslim society. Maybe you interpret "extremist" to mean terrorist, but he is using it to mean Wahhabi. And these people exist. Millions of them. Even if every single Muslim terrorist attack is a false flag, Islam still has an extremism problem. The Taliban exist. Wahhabis who fund madrasas everywhere and despise all non-Muslims and non-Sunnis even exist, this isn't some media disinformation campaign. Even if one were to argue that Wahhabism itself is largely the result of American financial and military largesse over many decades, that doesn't mean it isn't a serious problem within Islam itself at this point.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it. Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies? If so, that still will be depressing for Muslims, as it suggests some sort of spiritual immunodeficiency syndrome that too many Muslims are susceptible to. Or does patsy mean completely innocent?


    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama?


    I think this is more because they really hate you, not that they like him.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is. Go find 100 Pakistanis if you don't believe me, they all will tell you there is nothing outlandish about this story at all. The manner in which many Pakistanis will attribute any malign event to Israel, India, or the US is a fact, regardless of whether their paranoia has some legitimate basis or not.

    And it isn't your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn't down with Black Lives Matter.

    Wrong on both counts mate; I like Talha, a funny, intelligent and gentle soul. Revusky does not merit my dislike, only scientific curiosity of his genetic makeup

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  167. @Quartermaster
    Yet, Russia brought more in. Most of the "troops" in Crimea were there incidental to the Black Sea fleet being there. There is a huge difference between the troops that stole Crimea, and those that were already there.

    Quartermasterbater, stop with the BS, you’re debasing the status of the rank you bear claim to.

    My info has it Russia was allowed to station 25000 troops in Crimea per a longstanding treaty. They actually only had 17000 present and these stepped out onto the streets after the massacres in Odessa to prevent a similar outbreak there. This they did without incident. How is it possible to invade a place when you are already there and have been for years?

    The Crimean people overwhelmingly voted to seced from Ukraine and join Russia using the secession of Kosavo as precedent.

    If you would care to show evidence to the contrary I’d welcome it.

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  168. @Anonymous
    Maybe, the leadership of the white led nations are telling us something. Something like you don't know how good you've had it for two hundred years. The Leadership is of course the man who controls the money, meet: the Rothschild Family. Maybe the Rothschild's are telling us in the US and Europe, by loading us down with people not like us and seemingly cruel, letting us get a taste of what the others have been going along with, all along -thank you, our dear and precious Constitution. Oh, that's what is at stake here: our Constituti9on and Bill of Rights! Okay, take our blood but you cannot have our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I sense this horror we are living today is about finished. So, what's next?

    I’d say that this horror has barely yet begun and the US is ultimately to be the theatre.

    Going by Morgan’s Law (There are two reasons for everything, a good reason and the real reason) all of those laws and militarisation of civil servants post 9/11 isn’t actually there to be used to rein in muslims so much as to rein in and subgjugate everyone. Think about it, if one seeks to impose global domination, who poses the greatest threat? People with traditions of freedoms, individual rights and wealth surely.

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  169. @Jonathan Revusky

    Why muslims do not talk about false flags?
     
    In May of 2001, I was on a plane flying Qatar Airways from Doha to Barcelona. My previous flight was Hong Kong to Doha. The man sitting in the next seat was a Pakistani living in a Spain, who was returning from a trip home to Pakistan. We got to talking about various stuff. The man managed a hotel in Barcelona, previously lived in Germany, doing similar work, I guess.

    Finally, I couldn't resist asking him what he thought of the events in Abbottabad, the alleged killing of Osama Bin Laden. It was a few weeks after that, and I was pretty sure the event was a hoax of some sort, and was curious about his opinion. Up to that point, we had not touched on politics at all.

    His face changed and he seemed to get angry. I thought for a second he was angry at me, but he was just expressing his anger at the fraud of the whole thing. His voice raised and he said loudly: "All these stories are rubbish! NOBODY believes all this rubbish!" And he started talking about how absurd the whole 9/11 story was. And I guess I said something like: "So you don't believe this story.." and he said again loudly: "This is all nonsense. NOBODY believes it!"

    The thing is that, of course, plenty of people believe all this, but it occurred to me that this man, a Pakistani, in his social circles, simply nobody believed all these stories. They know that 9/11 was a false flag, they know the assassination of Bin Laden was a hoax (where's the body?) and so on.

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit. If you look back at all his commenting history, for example, it's interesting. I noticed only recently that this site allows you to search for words in people's commenting history. The words "extremist" and "radical" occur very frequently in Uncle Talha's comments, but the word "patsy" not even once.

    http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/Talha/?s=patsy&searchsubmit=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Talha

    He goes along with the entire Western synthetic narrative framing that there is some sort of "problem" in Islam and that Islam must clean itself up. It's like he doesn't know that all these events are false flag and the "Muslims" who are blamed are just patsies. In fact, the very word "patsy", in over 800 comments he has made, does not occur even once!

    If Uncle Talha here really believes that there are all these independent Jihadist terrorists doing all these things, he is possibly almost the only Pakistani alive who believes it!

    Anway, the guy gives off such a horrendous whiff of pure shillery. Like, look how he answered me on the 9/11 issue, sort of channeling Chomsky, like what it does it matter... when somebody starts with that shit you know he's dirty.

    If you're a Muslim and you know that they've constructed this blood libel and framed your fellow Muslims for this horrendous crime AND you know that they have used this blood libel to start wars in which hundreds of thousand or even millions of your fellow Muslims have been killed, AND then you say that 9/11 Truth doesn't really matter, then you must be some sort of dirtbag.

    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha's biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama? They love him, he's their Muslim lapdog, their Muzzie mascot. And dogs are loyal to their masters, in this case his Zionist masters, I guess.

    2011?

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    2011?
     
    Yes, of course. The conversation in the plane was in May of 2011.

    The point of my anecdote is that nobody in Pakistan believes these stories. As I hinted in my last article, these are synthetic narratives created for a Western audience.

    Also, the whole "bad Muslim" (radicals, extremists...) versus the "good Muslim" (ostensibly people like unless Talha) is also a synthetic narrative for a Western audience.

    There are aspects of the discourse of this "Talha" that are a dead giveaway.

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  170. @Art

    Talha: If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.
     
    I believe that this is 100% true - The Sunni Arabs cannot advance because they cannot trust each other - it is that simple - they always think conspiracy - they need a strong man who can kick butt and make them cooperate - otherwise they would just intellectually fight each other.

    If you want to understand Arabs watch "Lawrence of Arabia." Socially little has changed.

    Another problem in the Muslim world is that the language is imprecise – that what is said is wrapped in mystery and flowery innuendo – not clear rational thoughts.

    A quote from Talha. “The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin.” – reported in Ibn Majah. Sorry but I do not have a clue as to what that means.

    Here is Jesus on the subject. “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” That language is clear – there is no mistaking what it means. There is no riddle.

    As to Talha himself – I think people are being for the first time, exposed to a real honest to God good Muslim – and they cannot handle it. His speech and thought patterns and flowery language are just foreign to them.

    I have seen nothing that he has said, that is grossly morally objectionable. In his attempts to make things right, he has defended Gentile, Muslim, and Jew – and he has even been kind to Joe Webb.

    Actually Talha’s quote is not so obscure to me, I understand it to mean that if you take responsibility for your actions, learn from your mistakes and work to make amends then spiritually you are forgiven. Not that much difference to the message of Jesus, to my way of thinking, but then I might be a bit stupid and I think Joe Webb might have even said so at some point. I do admit to knowing very little of any religion. My belief is that they all can be used for good or evil.

    I have simply thought that Talha seeks to improve the image and understanding of Islam by providing a very good example and I think JC had said something quite similar but of course, in his own way.

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  171. Jon F says:

    Wise up folks. There is simple zio propaganda technique at play here and it’s called ‘inverting the accusation’.

    It works like this.. whatever you accuse the Jews of, at a later date it will be thrown back at the Muslims. This is how Jews and their trained hasbara trolls work.

    Everything they accuse Muslims of doing is what they themselves are doing. It’s a way of shoving a talking point in your face so that the masses don’t get a chance to dwell on the real perpetrators i.e the Jews.

    And no, Talha isn’t Muslim.. the internet is awash with Jews and their agents pretending to be Muslims and making outlandish comments with the sole purpose of making Muslims look bad.

    I suspect Talha and his supporters are in fact one person, sitting at a computer somewhere in Tel Aviv with software that creates multiple fake identities.

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    Don't be silly. If someone wanted to pose as a Muslim and make Muslims look bad, he wouldn't write like Talha.
    , @Jonathan Revusky
    Cool sunglasses you're wearing! How long have you had them? :-)
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  172. Talha says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    This is sort of an interesting pas à deux now. Okay, first of all, I see through your bullshit. I see clearly what is going on here with this constructed "Uncle Talha" persona. I suppose you realize that I see through you and you aren't going to con me, so the responses you write are an attempt to con 3rd parties reading this. So there are things like:


    Yes, I’m a Muslim and quite real – Qasim can vouch for me – we have interacted outside of UR.
     
    One anonymous person is is going to "vouch for"another anonymous person? Strange idea.

    Anyway, I think you've fucked up. To anybody paying the slightest attention, you have basically outed yourself as a total phony. It is in particular when you respond regarding the 9/11 Truth issue that you expose yourself as a complete fraud.

    You are a complete fraud, both intellectually and morally.

    Like consider this:

    But, I do not know and I don’t think we’ll ever know the full truth.
     
    You see, this is the kind of line that gives off such a whiff of total shillery. "I don't think we'll ever know the full truth."

    Look, this 9/11 event is a constructed blood libel of Muslims, your people (assuming you really are a Muslim) and was used to launch wars in which hundreds of thousands, probably millions of your fellow Muslims have perished unjustly.

    I am pretty sure that Sharia law, like Talmudic law in Judaism for example, has very clear stipulations on accusations and the need for proof. If people are saying that Muslims committed such crimes as 9/11 and other such events, there is a need to know what the proof of this is.

    Also, if you really were a Muslim who cared for his people, you would surely, as I do, demand that people tell you what the proof is.

    Though I am not a Muslim, I am certain that my stance is the correct one according to Sharia law. These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.

    By constrast, your stance is to say things like:


    Why would some in the US or the West be magically inoculated to the phenomenon of radicalization?
     
    In other words, Muslims could have been "radicalized" and thus committed whatever crimes. That is enough for you and you do not demand any actual proof and then you go on to say basically that you do not demand proof of these stories because you could be catalogued as a "conspiracy theorist". Oh how terrible, oy vey...

    Put yourself in my shoes; as a Muslim, what good does it do for me to say I don’t believe in the official government version? Does anybody even care or would people just scoff and say; another of those whacky conspiratorial Muslims.
     
    So, you don't challenge this blood libel of your people, don't express any anger about it even, because people might call you a "conspiracy theorist". What a lickspittle toady coward you are! Truly contemptible.


    Taking all that into account; this is not my shtick – it is what you are good at, not me.

     

    So what are you good at then, just making up lies and bullshit? Like this:

    My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever.
     
    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that. I wasn't born yesterday. This is just a lie. This "Talha" construct just exists as a conduit for these kinds of lies.

    What's the weather like in Tel Aviv? Hot, eh? Well, you've probably got air conditioning in your office.

    If you’re in the Chicago area anytime, let me know, and we can discuss my reality (among other things) at one of the fine Indo-Pakistani restaurants – my treat.
     
    Well, how would I ever get in touch with you? You've given me no phone number?? Should I look under the T's in the phone book?

    Well, never mind. I don't dine with swine.

    Hey JR,

    I suppose no good deed goes unpunished…at the risk of receiving more of a backlash from you, let me clarify a few more things. First though, you brought a smile to my face – so may God keep you smiling – because I have never before been called a Zionist shill. I’m definitely going to convey this to some of the brothers from the old MSA on campus and we’ll have a laugh about it. I’ve participated in rallies in front of the Israeli embassy in LA, helped create pamphlets against Zionism and even almost came to blows with the Zionists on campus (but that was 20 years and 20 pounds ago – ;) ) so I don’t feel I need to prove myself on that front. Favorite experience was ruining a campus Israeli Independence Day celebration in my third or fourth year – we marched out right in the middle of it with signs and held a silent protest – totally ruined the whole atmosphere. Anyway…

    These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.

    You are absolutely correct in this, which is why I don’t take the official version as gospel truth on 9/11 or a whole host of other events. There is a verse in the Qur’an that may interest you (that my son, daughter and I have memorized): “O you who believe, if an iniquitous person comes to you with some news, verify it (investigate to ascertain the truth), lest you should harm others unwittingly and then regret what you have done.” 49:6

    The US government and media are NOT credible witnesses, which is why I am open to many possibilities apart from the official narrative. However, I am not going to take an oath and state no Muslims were involved. I think that is a reasonable stance to take, you do not. I find it very suspicious that most of the perpetrators of these crimes are conveniently dead. I am very open to them being patsies – which is what I was getting at in my last comment to you. And many are being manipulated and set up. Will Grigg does an awesome job of exposing the holes in the many instances of entrapment laid out by the authorities:

    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/03/inside-fbis-terrorism-factory.html

    On the flip side, some are indeed alive and people like Faisal Shahzad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad) was explicit in a public trial as to why he tried to do what he did.

    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that.

    Some do indeed. While some are the most sagacious living men on the planet; I met the erudite Yemeni scholar/Sufi Shaykh Habib Zain bin Sumait (ra) in Madinah – a walking lamp of guidance. I’ll go a bit further, my brother also knew of at least one man who was disappeared for criticizing the regime – this stuff happens. Look, the extremist Wahhabi movement that came out of the Najd and caused massive havoc such that the Ottomans sent two armies to defeat it is both real and had zero to do with Zionism. These people exist and they are quite dangerous. I actually appreciate that you think Muslims are angelic people – I honestly wish that were so, but there is a problem within our midst that is not going to be remedied by always pointing the finger outward. Also that story about my aunt is true (embarrassing as it is) – but she is a lovely and gentle lady. Here are a couple of clips with a Sunni Orthodox Muslim scholar – the brilliant Shaykh Bilal Ansari (db), who taught me and others about the hadith sciences – which covers basically all the salient points succinctly and sanely:

    The saddest thing about this exchange is; I was actually appreciative of your articles and many of your comments. However, your judgement on my case being so far off the mark has indeed caused me to question your conclusions on other matters.

    My google profile website is referenced above – the offer still stands. I don’t dine with swine either – they are najis ‘aini gotta avoid them touching utensils and such.

    Peace.

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    Whoops - here is the site above...
    , @Jon F
    I'm afraid you're unconvincing... like I said the internet is awash with fake Muslims with an angenda, handed to them by their Jewish masters.

    Firstly, your vernacular is all wrong. I'm not sure which Muslim from which location you're trying to fake. There's not a single thing you've said that actually relates to the way genuine Muslims speak. Throwing in words like 'brothers' and fake anecdotes doesn't cut it.

    Secondly, the comment you've just made proves beyond any doubt that you're 100% Jew owned shill. You've used the exact same structure that all the other hasbara trained shills use. First you distance yourself from Jews, Zionism and Israel and throw in some crap about how you doubt the official 9/11 version of events so the rest think you're one of them. Then you throw in the twist. Which in this case is Muslim extremism.

    Only someone who has gone through training structures their comment in the way you have.

    Muslim extremism is a Jewish concoction... why do you feel the need to bend over backwards to promote this myth, instead of bending over bending over backwards to expose it?

    The world isn't full morons you know.. like you and Jewish masters seem to think.
    , @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    There are limits to politeness.

    I have been pointing to his mental deterioration for a period of time on the UR [even in his exchange with Ron Unz, JR's barely contained apoplexy was clearly on display and Ron ended up remarking [with words to that effect] on the unyielding extremeness, bordering on zealotry, of his views]

    His presence in any discussion poisons the environment. Invite him to dine? You must be taking the piss there mate!

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  173. Except that Talha isn’t making muslims look bad, he’s seemingly setting an example of tolerance and goodwill to all making them appear, gasp, human.

    I do however agree with Jonathan Revusky that anyone who writes anything based on the bogus premise that 9/11 was an attack planned and funded by OBL in Afghanistan and carried out by simulator trained Saudi pilots is, one way or another, furthering the evil agenda of those who seek to destroy the USA, if they haven’t already succeeded.

    I don’t know what Talha is but after reading his many contributions here over quite a while I certainly wouldn’t have identified him as part of the problem, obviously I missed that.

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    Except that Talha isn’t making muslims look bad,
     
    Look more closely at what Talha is doing. Consider this gem from Talha:

    My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever
     
    Think about the idea that he's trying to plant in the reader's mind. Think about it.

    That's without even digging into the archive of Talha's comments. That's right on this page.

    Or consider what he is saying here:

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

     

    Note the use of the magic incantation "conspiracy theory". The problem in the Muslim community is that people believe in so-called "conspiracy theories".

    The reason he proffers for avoiding the topic of 9/11 Truth is that people could then call him a "conspiracy theorist". Think about that. Just think about it. It's very damning.

    Well, anyway, the reason that you can't see through what this "Talha" is doing is that you don't understand the game, the synthetic narrative. It's basically a "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" narrative, where he keeps pointing at these "radicals" and "extremists" who are the "bad Muslims".

    The whole "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" narrative is just a distraction of course, blow smoke to try to prevent people from seeing who the real terrorists are.
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  174. joe webb says:

    what a waste of time trying to figure out this person or that person, and so on.

    just the facts M’am from my namesake, Jack Webb of Dragnet TV a half century ago. Do the timeline of events in ME as I remarked earlier. Those are facts, evidence.

    Just for the record, I outed Chomsky about 2004 as a zionist and Finkelstein as well about 2006.

    This list is getting more and more useless to me. I provide facts and argument and nobody shows up to talk facts and evidence. Just more stupidities, or ideologies, usually of the Coloreds Throwing off the Shackles of the White Man. And the Anglo-Zionists ! real scary stuff peddled by a Russian Nationalist anxious to frame things per a half-century ago….commies vs. Fascists. Puhlease. More things on …earth than are dreamt up by such sophistry…and Christian dopiness.

    Why not demand indemnification, or restitution, or whatever Black lives Useless claims now? Just like the Black Panthers 50 years ago. Times don’t change until there is a great resolution of grievances. There will be no resolution along peaceful lines because Blacks are nuts, have hit the Wall of their own Stupidity, and therefore blame Whitey for their own uselessness. They are Hopeless. We should have picked our own cotton and left them in the Dark Continent.

    Meanwhile the UR grinds on with its liberal pantywaste complaints about Jewish Apartheid, and Third Worldist magic words…Equalityyyyy Nowwww! What do you want? Dead White Men!

    Race war is coming but the UR babbles on about not much.

    The Revolution is about to be crushed by the new White Nationalism….it will take awhile, but it is coming.

    Joe Webb

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    Race War!!! I'm telling you Joe, nobody talks about race war like my kids talk about ice cream - but you! That's why we missed you - nothing like a good cup o' Joe Webb in the morning - but do not ask for it extra dark!

    Peace.
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  175. 5371 says:
    @Jon F
    Wise up folks. There is simple zio propaganda technique at play here and it's called 'inverting the accusation'.

    It works like this.. whatever you accuse the Jews of, at a later date it will be thrown back at the Muslims. This is how Jews and their trained hasbara trolls work.

    Everything they accuse Muslims of doing is what they themselves are doing. It's a way of shoving a talking point in your face so that the masses don't get a chance to dwell on the real perpetrators i.e the Jews.

    And no, Talha isn't Muslim.. the internet is awash with Jews and their agents pretending to be Muslims and making outlandish comments with the sole purpose of making Muslims look bad.

    I suspect Talha and his supporters are in fact one person, sitting at a computer somewhere in Tel Aviv with software that creates multiple fake identities.

    Don’t be silly. If someone wanted to pose as a Muslim and make Muslims look bad, he wouldn’t write like Talha.

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  176. joe webb says:

    And, Muslims are harmless and we should pluralistically embrace them. The violence is just false flags in the service of israel, or the Ruling Class, or, Capitalism, or, Bilderbergers, or Trilateral something or other, and don’t forget the Bohemian Club, or, or, and, and…

    nameless scribblers contesting egos, signifying not much.

    Joe Webb

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  177. @NoseytheDuke
    2011?

    2011?

    Yes, of course. The conversation in the plane was in May of 2011.

    The point of my anecdote is that nobody in Pakistan believes these stories. As I hinted in my last article, these are synthetic narratives created for a Western audience.

    Also, the whole “bad Muslim” (radicals, extremists…) versus the “good Muslim” (ostensibly people like unless Talha) is also a synthetic narrative for a Western audience.

    There are aspects of the discourse of this “Talha” that are a dead giveaway.

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  178. 5371 says:
    @iffen
    white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon

    Don't you want to say that she would be calling him an Uncle Tom?

    The terms are synonymous in jive.

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    Thanks. I have only a conversational grasp of jive, nowhere near fluency.
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  179. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I have met some of these guys, and they are the ones on the edge when they start getting more religious. Often, they have a deep resentment against the ‘West’ for having seduced and despoiled them instead of taking personal responsibility. This then can be manipulated very easily my extremists. Often these guys’ starting point for learning about religion is done through web searching (just like most people do for any subject these days). This is where they get ensnared;
     
    Let me get this straight. You are saying you "have met some of these guys"... You mean you personally know individuals who, in the terminology of the FBI, say, "self-radicalized on the Internet"?

    You've met such people, you know them... Hmm....

    You know, Talha (or whatever your name is), we haven't interacted before. I follow this site and I've seen your various participation here and I have come to wonder whether this "Talha" person is for real. Are you really a Muslim? Or is this some sort of constructed identity controlled even by somebody who is not even a Muslim?

    Before finally writing this comment, I scanned through a lot of your comments and I have very great doubts. There are very strange aspects to this "Talha" persona.

    For one thing, you engage in polite dialogue with some of the most rancid, retrograde Islamophobic racists imaginable and you never get angry at them. Just horrible shills and trolls, people like "iffen" say. And you always are polite to them. Okay, maybe it's a case of "You're a better man than I, Gunga Dinn". I am not a Muslim myself, but I find these people infuriating. I can only imagine how angry I would get at them if I myself were a Muslim. Yet you never get angry. I mean, to an extent that seems almost inhuman...

    It's very strange. Maybe it's a result of your Sufi spiritual practice, that you can keep your cool with these assholes, but another possibility is that you never get angry because this is sort of unreal. If this is a constructed persona and you're just running a game, that would also explain why you never get angry, like a real person invariably would.

    You, "Talha", or whoever is behind this persona, are really quite erudite about all kinds of obscure historical information regarding Muslims in the 17th century in some corner of the Ottoman empire or whatever, things like that. However, you take all these sorts of "War on Terror" tropes as a given. Like, now, you say you personally know people who "self-radicalized" on the Internet. Have you also seen alligators crawling out of the New York City sewers?

    I mean, in all your writing, you simply tacitly accept that all of these crimes that are being attributed to Muslims really are being carried out by Muslims. (You say they are misguided people, not following "true Islam", that's your schtick, but you tacitly assume that these narratives are truthful.) Are you really that ignorant? Or are you just pretending that you are that ignorant? There is no mention I see in any of your writing here, of any awareness of 9/11 Truth issues at all.

    But I really am curious. Are you a real Muslim? (And if so, some sort of Islamic "Uncle Tom"...) Or are you just pretending to be a Muslim here for whatever reason?

    I am confused about all this. If, as I kind of suspect, "Talha" is a fake construct created as a disinfo conduit, then, it is pretty well done. I think you have most peopled conned. A lot of painstaking work has been put into this.

    Anyway, I have my doubts, but I am not 100% sure either. Maybe you could clarify the situation. I'm not at all sure. As I said, if "Talha" is a hoax, it's a well constructed hoax. If I'm just being paranoid and you are a real religious Muslim participating here, then you should be very interested in clearing up the doubts I am expressing.

    [Using multiple handles to disguise your identity is not problem. Pick one and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon.]

    Thank you JR. I think you have exposed Talha! He says he is Pakistani. But he could be a Pakistani Jew, you know. One thing is for sure. His comments don’t read at all as someone who in the least cares about Muslims. He says Qasim knows him. But who is Qasim? His writing reflects his feelings and who he is. If he doesn’t care about Muslims, as JR clearly underlined, he is obviously faking it. Good job, JR.

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  180. @Qasim
    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Your posts on this thread have left me very depressed. I really, really, really want your overall worldview to be correct. It would be great if the overwhelming majority of evil deeds attributed to Muslims could be pinned on other people, especially Jews :)

    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written. (Well, not the 9/11 part, pigs don't fly and 3 buildings don't get knocked down by 2 planes).

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit.

    There is no rational way one could come to this conclusion after reading his response.

    The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    Not everyone focuses on the same issues as you. As a traditional Sunni, he is more concerned with how Salafism/Wahhabism is disfiguring Muslim society. Maybe you interpret "extremist" to mean terrorist, but he is using it to mean Wahhabi. And these people exist. Millions of them. Even if every single Muslim terrorist attack is a false flag, Islam still has an extremism problem. The Taliban exist. Wahhabis who fund madrasas everywhere and despise all non-Muslims and non-Sunnis even exist, this isn't some media disinformation campaign. Even if one were to argue that Wahhabism itself is largely the result of American financial and military largesse over many decades, that doesn't mean it isn't a serious problem within Islam itself at this point.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it. Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies? If so, that still will be depressing for Muslims, as it suggests some sort of spiritual immunodeficiency syndrome that too many Muslims are susceptible to. Or does patsy mean completely innocent?


    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama?


    I think this is more because they really hate you, not that they like him.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is. Go find 100 Pakistanis if you don't believe me, they all will tell you there is nothing outlandish about this story at all. The manner in which many Pakistanis will attribute any malign event to Israel, India, or the US is a fact, regardless of whether their paranoia has some legitimate basis or not.

    And it isn't your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn't down with Black Lives Matter.

    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Yes, of course I remember that. I did reply to you and I am replying to you now, but this will likely be the last reply.

    Obviously there is now a cloud over you as well, since Uncle Talha offered you up as his character reference. Now, obviously, the whole idea is ridiculous, the notion that one anonymous commenter “vouches for” another one. Surely you understand that a “web of trust” must be anchored by at least one person that you actually know and trust. I do not know you and, at this point, certainly do not trust you.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it.

    Oh, so before you read the first article I wrote, you had never heard the word “patsy”. Okay, fine, it’s simple. It’s somebody who is set up to take the blame for a crime. Like Lee Harvey Oswald. That’s a patsy. Fine, you didn’t know that before….

    But NOW, half a year after reading the article, you still don’t know what the word means? You don’t understand the concept???? WTF?? WTF is this? Rocket science? Quantum mechanics? They set up somebody to take the blame for a crime, a pasty, and after half a year, you say “I still am not totally sure what you mean by it”.

    For you to be saying this honestly, you would have to be just about the stupidest fucker on the face of the earth. Either that, or you’re simply not honest. I opt for the latter conclusion. You may well not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but nobody is that fucking stupid. You’re obviously playing a game.

    The point is that I can’t waste much time talking with you either way. Either you are playing a game or you really are that stupid. If you are that stupid, it’s a complete waste of time to talk to you. Go on EBay. Maybe somebody is auctioning off a second-hand brain…

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    Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies?

    No, I am not suggesting that. The ENTIRE Truth community devoted to these questions is suggesting that! Well, they’re not just suggesting it either. There is a whole literature on the topic that demonstrates it quite thoroughly.

    Now, the whole idea that you are concerned by these questions and manage to be so completely and utterly ignorant, to the point of not even understanding what the word “patsy” means, this is of course a game. The game is the Good Muslim/Bad Muslim game.

    You and Uncle Talha are the “good Muslims” who are somehow so fucking stupid that they don’t know who the real terrorists are!

    We could say that you’re the Pakistani poodles and Muzzie mascots of the Zionist criminals.

    Somebody like Rehmat is a “bad Muslim” and you will denounce him and it’s a dead giveaway what you do, because you’ll use the weaponized term “conspiracy theorist” to denounce somebody like that when he says straightforwardly who the real terrorists are. This is the “Good Muslim/Bad Muslim” game.

    It’s a whole synthetic narrative that is part of the Zionist playbook. If a Muslim tells the truth about these false flags and says who the real terrorists are, that’s a “bad Muslim”. “Bad Muslim, bad, bad!” And when you’ve got some bad Muslims, you set up some other people to be the “good Muslims”.

    So, this is the game and you have stupid people here who don’t understand the game and some of them, very goodhearted fall for this, and say: “Oh, Uncle Talha is a ‘good Muslim’ and this terrible Revusky is attacking this person.”

    The thing is that they don’t understand the anatomy of the disinformation campaign.

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is.

    The point of Uncle Talha’s story about the Pakistani grandma is just to plant the idea that Pakistanis are these backward, ignorant people, in this case, that they could believe that diseases can be transmitted via a phone call. And these are the benighted people who believe in so-called “conspiracy theories”, ya dee da…. People should see through this kind of garbage.

    And it isn’t your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn’t down with Black Lives Matter.

    Quite the contrary. It is up to me to judge for myself who is playing a game and who is for real. I see that you are a phony.

    The game is over wrt me. I see through you guys. Maybe you can still con some other people. But with me, it’s over.

    So, in closing, fuck off. Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.

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    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]

    In how short a step, Jonny Rev, does one go from the heights of perfection to the depths of iniquity! All it takes is not conforming to one of the phantoms in your brain.
    , @Qasim
    Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.

    How dare you insult my camel!! What has he ever done to you? What's next, verbal abuse directed at my goat/girlfriend??

    It is very interesting that you called me a camel jockey though, not very pro-Muslim at all. I guess you are like Lawrence of Arabia, benevolently instructing us benighted natives how to struggle against the man!! You even lecture us on how to keep it real as Muslims and the true meaning of Sharia!! Thank you! Where would we be without your guidance??

    They set up somebody to take the blame for a crime, a pasty, and after half a year, you say “I still am not totally sure what you mean by it”.

    For you to be saying this honestly, you would have to be just about the stupidest fucker on the face of the earth.


    Please indulge me; after all, camel jockeys aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Anyway, I still don't fully get it. For example, I get Omar Mateen is the patsy. But did he kill those people in the club after being instructed by some government agency? Or did other people kill them, and he is totally innocent? Or did no one even get killed and he took the blame for a non-existent crime? The last time I asked you, I was really trying to understand what you were saying. Now I just think you are deranged, so never mind.

    Somebody like Rehmat is a “bad Muslim” and you will denounce him and it’s a dead giveaway what you do, because you’ll use the weaponized term “conspiracy theorist” to denounce somebody like that when he says straightforwardly who the real terrorists are. This is the “Good Muslim/Bad Muslim” game

    Good point. Oh wait, I have never even responded to Rehmat! Oh well, don't let facts get in the way of your ranting.

    So the question now becomes what exactly is wrong with you. The safer assumption is that you are mentally ill/paranoid. But there is this saying that it isn't paranoia when someone is really out to get you. I disagree, it is paranoia that in that case happens to be justified. So I think your paranoia helps you see through some BS and that is good, but your BDQ meter is completely out of whack so you also see a bunch of crap that isn't there. To give a medical example, if there is a test that detects breast cancer 100% of the time, that is great. But if it tells 10% of the people that don't have cancer that they do and that leads to them getting chemo and mastectomies, then the false positive rate ends up making the test useless and quite harmful. Maybe you are kind of like that test.

    But there is a less likely, more sinister possibility. Remember in school when some kid would fart and then someone would say "Eww who farted?" and then the kids would say "Whoever smelt it dealt it?"

    How is anyone to know who YOU are exactly? You seem quick to accuse people from writing from Tel Aviv, how can we know where you write from? Mr. Revusky?Something very strange is going on. You offer your fatwa on the apostasy of Uncle Talha, and then a bunch of people (all of them sharing your expertise on Islam, no doubt) quickly chime in to agree with you. Here is one of them...

    kirkm451@yahoo.com says: Next New Comment

    August 2, 2016 at 9:45 am GMT • 100 Words
    @Jonathan Revusky

    [Using multiple handles to disguise your identity is not problem. Pick one and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon.]

    Thank you JR. I think you have exposed Talha! He says he is Pakistani. But he could be a Pakistani Jew, you know. One thing is for sure. His comments don’t read at all as someone who in the least cares about Muslims. He says Qasim knows him. But who is Qasim? His writing reflects his feelings and who he is. If he doesn’t care about Muslims, as JR clearly underlined, he is obviously faking it. Good job, JR.


    So there are bunch of things about this comment. First, the content is absurd. Pakistani Jew?? Second, this is his first and only post on this site! Uncle Talha is the issue that forced him to enter the fray? And third, the moderator warns him about using multiple handles! Mr. Unz has actually wrote an article about this today...

    On a much less favorable note, there seems to be a sharp increase in the amount of “sockpuppetry,” with commenters adopting multiple handles to disguise their identity and seemingly multiply the prevalence of their particular views.

    Too bad we can't know if this kirkm is also one of the other people who agreed with you.

    And this is from Jon F (#176)

    And no, Talha isn’t Muslim.. the internet is awash with Jews and their agents pretending to be Muslims and making outlandish comments with the sole purpose of making Muslims look bad.

    I suspect Talha and his supporters are in fact one person, sitting at a computer somewhere in Tel Aviv with software that creates multiple fake identities.


    Again check out his commenting history. He has never commented on this site before this article! (There are some posts from 2011, but I think those must be comments from Razib Khan's old blog). Another person who never has commented here that feels the need to out Talha the hasbara troll...

    The whole thing stinks.
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  181. @NoseytheDuke
    Except that Talha isn't making muslims look bad, he's seemingly setting an example of tolerance and goodwill to all making them appear, gasp, human.

    I do however agree with Jonathan Revusky that anyone who writes anything based on the bogus premise that 9/11 was an attack planned and funded by OBL in Afghanistan and carried out by simulator trained Saudi pilots is, one way or another, furthering the evil agenda of those who seek to destroy the USA, if they haven't already succeeded.

    I don't know what Talha is but after reading his many contributions here over quite a while I certainly wouldn't have identified him as part of the problem, obviously I missed that.

    Except that Talha isn’t making muslims look bad,

    Look more closely at what Talha is doing. Consider this gem from Talha:

    My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever

    Think about the idea that he’s trying to plant in the reader’s mind. Think about it.

    That’s without even digging into the archive of Talha’s comments. That’s right on this page.

    Or consider what he is saying here:

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

    Note the use of the magic incantation “conspiracy theory”. The problem in the Muslim community is that people believe in so-called “conspiracy theories”.

    The reason he proffers for avoiding the topic of 9/11 Truth is that people could then call him a “conspiracy theorist”. Think about that. Just think about it. It’s very damning.

    Well, anyway, the reason that you can’t see through what this “Talha” is doing is that you don’t understand the game, the synthetic narrative. It’s basically a “Good Muslim/Bad Muslim” narrative, where he keeps pointing at these “radicals” and “extremists” who are the “bad Muslims”.

    The whole “Good Muslim/Bad Muslim” narrative is just a distraction of course, blow smoke to try to prevent people from seeing who the real terrorists are.

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    who the real terrorists are
     
    No argument here - the US and allies have been a massive purveyor of state-sponsored terrorism and death - is there a difference of opinion regarding this? The piles of bodies across the Atlantic bear witness to this.

    This is why the ulema (while recognizing the existence and denouncing the works of extremists and radicalized Muslims) place a great deal of responsibility on the US and others for creating the environment for these to sprout up:
    "The situation in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine is radicalising young people," says Mufti Rafi Usmani, one of Pakistan's highest-ranking clerics. [And possibly a Jewish plant, I guess - I kid, the man is a pillar of knowledge, wisdom and piety]
    "And an angry young man is in no-one's control," he said...
    These ulema are convinced that the solution to terrorism no longer lies in the hands of the Muslim world or the clerics.
    The West, they say, must seek a resolution of all the conflicts involving the Muslim world and hit at the root causes that have spawned terrorism all over the world."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm

    I think theirs is is a very balanced perspective to the matter.

    Peace.

    , @NoseytheDuke
    If I've been had it's the second time this week as I also got duped by a net scam and whilst it hasn't cost me anything I now have to wipe my hard drive, luckily much of my stuff is backed up. Clearly I need to pay more attention.
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  182. 5371 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.
     
    Yes, of course I remember that. I did reply to you and I am replying to you now, but this will likely be the last reply.

    Obviously there is now a cloud over you as well, since Uncle Talha offered you up as his character reference. Now, obviously, the whole idea is ridiculous, the notion that one anonymous commenter "vouches for" another one. Surely you understand that a "web of trust" must be anchored by at least one person that you actually know and trust. I do not know you and, at this point, certainly do not trust you.


    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it.
     
    Oh, so before you read the first article I wrote, you had never heard the word "patsy". Okay, fine, it's simple. It's somebody who is set up to take the blame for a crime. Like Lee Harvey Oswald. That's a patsy. Fine, you didn't know that before....

    But NOW, half a year after reading the article, you still don't know what the word means? You don't understand the concept???? WTF?? WTF is this? Rocket science? Quantum mechanics? They set up somebody to take the blame for a crime, a pasty, and after half a year, you say "I still am not totally sure what you mean by it".

    For you to be saying this honestly, you would have to be just about the stupidest fucker on the face of the earth. Either that, or you're simply not honest. I opt for the latter conclusion. You may well not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but nobody is that fucking stupid. You're obviously playing a game.

    The point is that I can't waste much time talking with you either way. Either you are playing a game or you really are that stupid. If you are that stupid, it's a complete waste of time to talk to you. Go on EBay. Maybe somebody is auctioning off a second-hand brain...

    Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies?
     
    No, I am not suggesting that. The ENTIRE Truth community devoted to these questions is suggesting that! Well, they're not just suggesting it either. There is a whole literature on the topic that demonstrates it quite thoroughly.

    Now, the whole idea that you are concerned by these questions and manage to be so completely and utterly ignorant, to the point of not even understanding what the word "patsy" means, this is of course a game. The game is the Good Muslim/Bad Muslim game.

    You and Uncle Talha are the "good Muslims" who are somehow so fucking stupid that they don't know who the real terrorists are!

    We could say that you're the Pakistani poodles and Muzzie mascots of the Zionist criminals.

    Somebody like Rehmat is a "bad Muslim" and you will denounce him and it's a dead giveaway what you do, because you'll use the weaponized term "conspiracy theorist" to denounce somebody like that when he says straightforwardly who the real terrorists are. This is the "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" game.

    It's a whole synthetic narrative that is part of the Zionist playbook. If a Muslim tells the truth about these false flags and says who the real terrorists are, that's a "bad Muslim". "Bad Muslim, bad, bad!" And when you've got some bad Muslims, you set up some other people to be the "good Muslims".

    So, this is the game and you have stupid people here who don't understand the game and some of them, very goodhearted fall for this, and say: "Oh, Uncle Talha is a 'good Muslim' and this terrible Revusky is attacking this person."

    The thing is that they don't understand the anatomy of the disinformation campaign.

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is.
     
    The point of Uncle Talha's story about the Pakistani grandma is just to plant the idea that Pakistanis are these backward, ignorant people, in this case, that they could believe that diseases can be transmitted via a phone call. And these are the benighted people who believe in so-called "conspiracy theories", ya dee da.... People should see through this kind of garbage.

    And it isn’t your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn’t down with Black Lives Matter.
     
    Quite the contrary. It is up to me to judge for myself who is playing a game and who is for real. I see that you are a phony.

    The game is over wrt me. I see through you guys. Maybe you can still con some other people. But with me, it's over.

    So, in closing, fuck off. Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.

    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]

    In how short a step, Jonny Rev, does one go from the heights of perfection to the depths of iniquity! All it takes is not conforming to one of the phantoms in your brain.

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    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]
     
    Oh, hi. I see that you seem to take what I told that little worm Qasim personally. You're quite correct in that. It also applies to you. You, anonymous dipshit #5371, can also go fuck yourself.

    Oh, and it also applies to the rest of the professional lying shit eating shill bastards here: iffen, grmbl, Sam Shama... you guys can all go fuck yourselves.

    I've exposed this shit. Go play your "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" shill game somewhere else because you're exposed here. AND take your little Pakistani poodle Muzzie mascot Uncle Talha with you too. That little lying bastard with his smarmy phony piety can go fuck himself too.
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  183. Talha says:
    @joe webb
    what a waste of time trying to figure out this person or that person, and so on.

    just the facts M'am from my namesake, Jack Webb of Dragnet TV a half century ago. Do the timeline of events in ME as I remarked earlier. Those are facts, evidence.

    Just for the record, I outed Chomsky about 2004 as a zionist and Finkelstein as well about 2006.

    This list is getting more and more useless to me. I provide facts and argument and nobody shows up to talk facts and evidence. Just more stupidities, or ideologies, usually of the Coloreds Throwing off the Shackles of the White Man. And the Anglo-Zionists ! real scary stuff peddled by a Russian Nationalist anxious to frame things per a half-century ago....commies vs. Fascists. Puhlease. More things on ...earth than are dreamt up by such sophistry...and Christian dopiness.

    Why not demand indemnification, or restitution, or whatever Black lives Useless claims now? Just like the Black Panthers 50 years ago. Times don't change until there is a great resolution of grievances. There will be no resolution along peaceful lines because Blacks are nuts, have hit the Wall of their own Stupidity, and therefore blame Whitey for their own uselessness. They are Hopeless. We should have picked our own cotton and left them in the Dark Continent.

    Meanwhile the UR grinds on with its liberal pantywaste complaints about Jewish Apartheid, and Third Worldist magic words...Equalityyyyy Nowwww! What do you want? Dead White Men!

    Race war is coming but the UR babbles on about not much.

    The Revolution is about to be crushed by the new White Nationalism....it will take awhile, but it is coming.

    Joe Webb

    Race War!!! I’m telling you Joe, nobody talks about race war like my kids talk about ice cream – but you! That’s why we missed you – nothing like a good cup o’ Joe Webb in the morning – but do not ask for it extra dark!

    Peace.

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    War...you idiot.

    You guys are so out of it, I wonder why I bother. JW
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  184. @Jon F
    Wise up folks. There is simple zio propaganda technique at play here and it's called 'inverting the accusation'.

    It works like this.. whatever you accuse the Jews of, at a later date it will be thrown back at the Muslims. This is how Jews and their trained hasbara trolls work.

    Everything they accuse Muslims of doing is what they themselves are doing. It's a way of shoving a talking point in your face so that the masses don't get a chance to dwell on the real perpetrators i.e the Jews.

    And no, Talha isn't Muslim.. the internet is awash with Jews and their agents pretending to be Muslims and making outlandish comments with the sole purpose of making Muslims look bad.

    I suspect Talha and his supporters are in fact one person, sitting at a computer somewhere in Tel Aviv with software that creates multiple fake identities.

    Cool sunglasses you’re wearing! How long have you had them? :-)

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  185. Talha says:
    @Qasim
    Hi Mr. Revusky, hopefully you remember me, you were kind enough to reply to several of my posts on your last article.

    Your posts on this thread have left me very depressed. I really, really, really want your overall worldview to be correct. It would be great if the overwhelming majority of evil deeds attributed to Muslims could be pinned on other people, especially Jews :)

    But now you have turned your conspiratorial eye to a person that I have some outside, first-hand knowledge of, and seeing how completely off-base your attacks are leaves me wondering about everything else you have written. (Well, not the 9/11 part, pigs don't fly and 3 buildings don't get knocked down by 2 planes).

    So this particular Pakistani here, Uncle Talha, somehow believes all the bullshit.

    There is no rational way one could come to this conclusion after reading his response.

    The words “extremist” and “radical” occur very frequently in Uncle Talha’s comments, but the word “patsy” not even once.

    Not everyone focuses on the same issues as you. As a traditional Sunni, he is more concerned with how Salafism/Wahhabism is disfiguring Muslim society. Maybe you interpret "extremist" to mean terrorist, but he is using it to mean Wahhabi. And these people exist. Millions of them. Even if every single Muslim terrorist attack is a false flag, Islam still has an extremism problem. The Taliban exist. Wahhabis who fund madrasas everywhere and despise all non-Muslims and non-Sunnis even exist, this isn't some media disinformation campaign. Even if one were to argue that Wahhabism itself is largely the result of American financial and military largesse over many decades, that doesn't mean it isn't a serious problem within Islam itself at this point.

    And at least personally, I never even have heard of the word patsy before your articles. And to be honest, I still am not totally sure by what you mean by it. Are you suggesting that the attackers are idiots who were handled by intelligence agencies? If so, that still will be depressing for Muslims, as it suggests some sort of spiritual immunodeficiency syndrome that too many Muslims are susceptible to. Or does patsy mean completely innocent?


    Anyway, you notice how Uncle Talha’s biggest defenders now are these Zionist shills, like iffen and Sam Shama?


    I think this is more because they really hate you, not that they like him.

    What a scumbag liar you are…

    If you actually have been to Pakistan/ knew multiple Pakistani grandmas, you would know how wrong this comment is. Go find 100 Pakistanis if you don't believe me, they all will tell you there is nothing outlandish about this story at all. The manner in which many Pakistanis will attribute any malign event to Israel, India, or the US is a fact, regardless of whether their paranoia has some legitimate basis or not.

    And it isn't your place to decide which Muslims are keeping it real or not, the whole situation is like some Upper East Side white lady calling some black dude in Harlem a coon because he isn't down with Black Lives Matter.

    Salaam Qasim,

    Just saw JR’s reply to you – wow…

    Very sorry for getting you mixed up in this, I absolutely was not expecting that level of disrespect leveled at a third party. Had I known, I would not have made reference to you at all. Again wow…

    By the way, I should be seeing the good doctor Padella soon – I’ll bring up the book. Hopefully he’s read it and gives it accolades.

    Fi amanillah.

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  186. @Art

    Talha: If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.
     
    I believe that this is 100% true - The Sunni Arabs cannot advance because they cannot trust each other - it is that simple - they always think conspiracy - they need a strong man who can kick butt and make them cooperate - otherwise they would just intellectually fight each other.

    If you want to understand Arabs watch "Lawrence of Arabia." Socially little has changed.

    Another problem in the Muslim world is that the language is imprecise – that what is said is wrapped in mystery and flowery innuendo – not clear rational thoughts.

    A quote from Talha. “The one who repents from sin is like one who did not sin.” – reported in Ibn Majah. Sorry but I do not have a clue as to what that means.

    Here is Jesus on the subject. “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” That language is clear – there is no mistaking what it means. There is no riddle.

    As to Talha himself – I think people are being for the first time, exposed to a real honest to God good Muslim – and they cannot handle it. His speech and thought patterns and flowery language are just foreign to them.

    I have seen nothing that he has said, that is grossly morally objectionable. In his attempts to make things right, he has defended Gentile, Muslim, and Jew – and he has even been kind to Joe Webb.

    If you want to understand Arabs watch “Lawrence of Arabia.”

    Art, we all progress at the rate we progress at. It took me a decade or so to see through 9/11. Other people were much faster. So we all do the best we can.

    At this point, Art, you really should try to understand that a movie like “Lawrence of Arabia” (much as I love the film) is not a serious portrayal of Arab culture. The Arabs in the movie are basically stock cartoon Arabs, the kind of Arab characters you have in any Hollywood movie.

    Oh, by the way, who is it who controls Hollywood again, Art?

    As to Talha himself – I think people are being for the first time, exposed to a real honest to God good Muslim – and they cannot handle it.

    Uhh, no. What you are being exposed to is a real honest to God con artist. And some people cannot handle that, because they cannot accept that they were conned.

    Well, Mark Twain famously said: “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

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    @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I suppose no good deed goes unpunished...at the risk of receiving more of a backlash from you, let me clarify a few more things. First though, you brought a smile to my face - so may God keep you smiling - because I have never before been called a Zionist shill. I'm definitely going to convey this to some of the brothers from the old MSA on campus and we'll have a laugh about it. I've participated in rallies in front of the Israeli embassy in LA, helped create pamphlets against Zionism and even almost came to blows with the Zionists on campus (but that was 20 years and 20 pounds ago - ;) ) so I don't feel I need to prove myself on that front. Favorite experience was ruining a campus Israeli Independence Day celebration in my third or fourth year - we marched out right in the middle of it with signs and held a silent protest - totally ruined the whole atmosphere. Anyway...

    These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.
     
    You are absolutely correct in this, which is why I don't take the official version as gospel truth on 9/11 or a whole host of other events. There is a verse in the Qur'an that may interest you (that my son, daughter and I have memorized): "O you who believe, if an iniquitous person comes to you with some news, verify it (investigate to ascertain the truth), lest you should harm others unwittingly and then regret what you have done." 49:6

    The US government and media are NOT credible witnesses, which is why I am open to many possibilities apart from the official narrative. However, I am not going to take an oath and state no Muslims were involved. I think that is a reasonable stance to take, you do not. I find it very suspicious that most of the perpetrators of these crimes are conveniently dead. I am very open to them being patsies - which is what I was getting at in my last comment to you. And many are being manipulated and set up. Will Grigg does an awesome job of exposing the holes in the many instances of entrapment laid out by the authorities:
    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/03/inside-fbis-terrorism-factory.html

    On the flip side, some are indeed alive and people like Faisal Shahzad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad) was explicit in a public trial as to why he tried to do what he did.

    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that.
     
    Some do indeed. While some are the most sagacious living men on the planet; I met the erudite Yemeni scholar/Sufi Shaykh Habib Zain bin Sumait (ra) in Madinah - a walking lamp of guidance. I'll go a bit further, my brother also knew of at least one man who was disappeared for criticizing the regime - this stuff happens. Look, the extremist Wahhabi movement that came out of the Najd and caused massive havoc such that the Ottomans sent two armies to defeat it is both real and had zero to do with Zionism. These people exist and they are quite dangerous. I actually appreciate that you think Muslims are angelic people - I honestly wish that were so, but there is a problem within our midst that is not going to be remedied by always pointing the finger outward. Also that story about my aunt is true (embarrassing as it is) - but she is a lovely and gentle lady. Here are a couple of clips with a Sunni Orthodox Muslim scholar - the brilliant Shaykh Bilal Ansari (db), who taught me and others about the hadith sciences - which covers basically all the salient points succinctly and sanely:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuhpTMrlSA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52lct3XWGTs

    The saddest thing about this exchange is; I was actually appreciative of your articles and many of your comments. However, your judgement on my case being so far off the mark has indeed caused me to question your conclusions on other matters.

    My google profile website is referenced above - the offer still stands. I don't dine with swine either - they are najis 'aini gotta avoid them touching utensils and such.

    Peace.

    Whoops – here is the site above…

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  188. @utu
    You are right about Talha.

    You are right about Talha.

    Hi, Utu. I’m glad you can see that.

    Before calling it out, I spent some time poring through Talha’s commenting history. They really have put a lot of effort into constructing this phony “good Muslim” Talha persona.

    Of course, it’s pretty telling that his most strident defenders will be the Zionist shills here. But, it’s not just them. He had a lot of people conned and a lot of people have a hard time admitting that they were conned. This is called “cognitive dissonance”.

    But the “Talha” persona is a con job pretty clearly.

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    He had a lot of people conned and a lot of people have a hard time admitting that they were conned. This is called “cognitive dissonance”.

    “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” - Mark Twain
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  189. Jon F says:
    @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I suppose no good deed goes unpunished...at the risk of receiving more of a backlash from you, let me clarify a few more things. First though, you brought a smile to my face - so may God keep you smiling - because I have never before been called a Zionist shill. I'm definitely going to convey this to some of the brothers from the old MSA on campus and we'll have a laugh about it. I've participated in rallies in front of the Israeli embassy in LA, helped create pamphlets against Zionism and even almost came to blows with the Zionists on campus (but that was 20 years and 20 pounds ago - ;) ) so I don't feel I need to prove myself on that front. Favorite experience was ruining a campus Israeli Independence Day celebration in my third or fourth year - we marched out right in the middle of it with signs and held a silent protest - totally ruined the whole atmosphere. Anyway...

    These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.
     
    You are absolutely correct in this, which is why I don't take the official version as gospel truth on 9/11 or a whole host of other events. There is a verse in the Qur'an that may interest you (that my son, daughter and I have memorized): "O you who believe, if an iniquitous person comes to you with some news, verify it (investigate to ascertain the truth), lest you should harm others unwittingly and then regret what you have done." 49:6

    The US government and media are NOT credible witnesses, which is why I am open to many possibilities apart from the official narrative. However, I am not going to take an oath and state no Muslims were involved. I think that is a reasonable stance to take, you do not. I find it very suspicious that most of the perpetrators of these crimes are conveniently dead. I am very open to them being patsies - which is what I was getting at in my last comment to you. And many are being manipulated and set up. Will Grigg does an awesome job of exposing the holes in the many instances of entrapment laid out by the authorities:
    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/03/inside-fbis-terrorism-factory.html

    On the flip side, some are indeed alive and people like Faisal Shahzad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad) was explicit in a public trial as to why he tried to do what he did.

    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that.
     
    Some do indeed. While some are the most sagacious living men on the planet; I met the erudite Yemeni scholar/Sufi Shaykh Habib Zain bin Sumait (ra) in Madinah - a walking lamp of guidance. I'll go a bit further, my brother also knew of at least one man who was disappeared for criticizing the regime - this stuff happens. Look, the extremist Wahhabi movement that came out of the Najd and caused massive havoc such that the Ottomans sent two armies to defeat it is both real and had zero to do with Zionism. These people exist and they are quite dangerous. I actually appreciate that you think Muslims are angelic people - I honestly wish that were so, but there is a problem within our midst that is not going to be remedied by always pointing the finger outward. Also that story about my aunt is true (embarrassing as it is) - but she is a lovely and gentle lady. Here are a couple of clips with a Sunni Orthodox Muslim scholar - the brilliant Shaykh Bilal Ansari (db), who taught me and others about the hadith sciences - which covers basically all the salient points succinctly and sanely:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuhpTMrlSA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52lct3XWGTs

    The saddest thing about this exchange is; I was actually appreciative of your articles and many of your comments. However, your judgement on my case being so far off the mark has indeed caused me to question your conclusions on other matters.

    My google profile website is referenced above - the offer still stands. I don't dine with swine either - they are najis 'aini gotta avoid them touching utensils and such.

    Peace.

    I’m afraid you’re unconvincing… like I said the internet is awash with fake Muslims with an angenda, handed to them by their Jewish masters.

    Firstly, your vernacular is all wrong. I’m not sure which Muslim from which location you’re trying to fake. There’s not a single thing you’ve said that actually relates to the way genuine Muslims speak. Throwing in words like ‘brothers’ and fake anecdotes doesn’t cut it.

    Secondly, the comment you’ve just made proves beyond any doubt that you’re 100% Jew owned shill. You’ve used the exact same structure that all the other hasbara trained shills use. First you distance yourself from Jews, Zionism and Israel and throw in some crap about how you doubt the official 9/11 version of events so the rest think you’re one of them. Then you throw in the twist. Which in this case is Muslim extremism.

    Only someone who has gone through training structures their comment in the way you have.

    Muslim extremism is a Jewish concoction… why do you feel the need to bend over backwards to promote this myth, instead of bending over bending over backwards to expose it?

    The world isn’t full morons you know.. like you and Jewish masters seem to think.

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    Muslim extremism is a Jewish concoction
     
    ...that has been around since the 7th century...
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kharijite

    I know, I know...

    Jewish masters
     
    You mean my wife?

    Peace.
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  190. grmbl says:

    Outstanding — A+!

    This thread is the best free entertainment on the web, bar none.

    Not since Philip K. Dick wrote the short story Shell Game (later expanded into the SF novel Clans of the Alphane Moon) has the experience of a bunch of psychotic people thrown together without supervision been so vividly portrayed.

    As expected on a politics website, paranoid schizophrenia is the prevalent mental illness, although others from DSM-IV are also represented. The speed and alacrity with which participants turn, on a dime, from fear and loathing of the “usual suspects” to accusing and condemning one another is beautifully realized. Academy Award material.

    The only discordant note is struck by “iffen”, but his spoilsport posts are happily but speed bumps on the road to conflagration.

    Rated: ★★★★½/☆☆☆☆☆

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    The only discordant note is struck by “iffen”, but his spoilsport posts

    Thanks! This may help me get that 1000 shekel bonus I've been working on.
    , @Talha
    Hey grmbl,

    Ditto on iffen's comment. Since my 'identity' has been the watershed of all this entertainment for you, I demand handsome remuneration in royalties. You know my kind doesn't work for free.

    Pay up boy!

    Peace.
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  191. iffen says:
    @grmbl
    Outstanding -- A+!

    This thread is the best free entertainment on the web, bar none.

    Not since Philip K. Dick wrote the short story Shell Game (later expanded into the SF novel Clans of the Alphane Moon) has the experience of a bunch of psychotic people thrown together without supervision been so vividly portrayed.

    As expected on a politics website, paranoid schizophrenia is the prevalent mental illness, although others from DSM-IV are also represented. The speed and alacrity with which participants turn, on a dime, from fear and loathing of the "usual suspects" to accusing and condemning one another is beautifully realized. Academy Award material.

    The only discordant note is struck by "iffen", but his spoilsport posts are happily but speed bumps on the road to conflagration.

    Rated: ★★★★½/☆☆☆☆☆

    The only discordant note is struck by “iffen”, but his spoilsport posts

    Thanks! This may help me get that 1000 shekel bonus I’ve been working on.

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  192. iffen says:
    @5371
    The terms are synonymous in jive.

    Thanks. I have only a conversational grasp of jive, nowhere near fluency.

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  193. Talha says:
    @Jon F
    I'm afraid you're unconvincing... like I said the internet is awash with fake Muslims with an angenda, handed to them by their Jewish masters.

    Firstly, your vernacular is all wrong. I'm not sure which Muslim from which location you're trying to fake. There's not a single thing you've said that actually relates to the way genuine Muslims speak. Throwing in words like 'brothers' and fake anecdotes doesn't cut it.

    Secondly, the comment you've just made proves beyond any doubt that you're 100% Jew owned shill. You've used the exact same structure that all the other hasbara trained shills use. First you distance yourself from Jews, Zionism and Israel and throw in some crap about how you doubt the official 9/11 version of events so the rest think you're one of them. Then you throw in the twist. Which in this case is Muslim extremism.

    Only someone who has gone through training structures their comment in the way you have.

    Muslim extremism is a Jewish concoction... why do you feel the need to bend over backwards to promote this myth, instead of bending over bending over backwards to expose it?

    The world isn't full morons you know.. like you and Jewish masters seem to think.

    Muslim extremism is a Jewish concoction

    …that has been around since the 7th century…

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kharijite

    I know, I know…

    Jewish masters

    You mean my wife?

    Peace.

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  194. Talha says:
    @grmbl
    Outstanding -- A+!

    This thread is the best free entertainment on the web, bar none.

    Not since Philip K. Dick wrote the short story Shell Game (later expanded into the SF novel Clans of the Alphane Moon) has the experience of a bunch of psychotic people thrown together without supervision been so vividly portrayed.

    As expected on a politics website, paranoid schizophrenia is the prevalent mental illness, although others from DSM-IV are also represented. The speed and alacrity with which participants turn, on a dime, from fear and loathing of the "usual suspects" to accusing and condemning one another is beautifully realized. Academy Award material.

    The only discordant note is struck by "iffen", but his spoilsport posts are happily but speed bumps on the road to conflagration.

    Rated: ★★★★½/☆☆☆☆☆

    Hey grmbl,

    Ditto on iffen’s comment. Since my ‘identity’ has been the watershed of all this entertainment for you, I demand handsome remuneration in royalties. You know my kind doesn’t work for free.

    Pay up boy!

    Peace.

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  195. Talha says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Except that Talha isn’t making muslims look bad,
     
    Look more closely at what Talha is doing. Consider this gem from Talha:

    My brother worked in Saudi for a while, he told me – in shock – that there were people there that believed there was nothing wrong with killing a non-Muslim for no reason whatsoever
     
    Think about the idea that he's trying to plant in the reader's mind. Think about it.

    That's without even digging into the archive of Talha's comments. That's right on this page.

    Or consider what he is saying here:

    If you had you ear to the ground in the Muslim community you would know that it is so steeped in conspiracy theory that it is at the level of paralysis to any reality-based solutions.

     

    Note the use of the magic incantation "conspiracy theory". The problem in the Muslim community is that people believe in so-called "conspiracy theories".

    The reason he proffers for avoiding the topic of 9/11 Truth is that people could then call him a "conspiracy theorist". Think about that. Just think about it. It's very damning.

    Well, anyway, the reason that you can't see through what this "Talha" is doing is that you don't understand the game, the synthetic narrative. It's basically a "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" narrative, where he keeps pointing at these "radicals" and "extremists" who are the "bad Muslims".

    The whole "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" narrative is just a distraction of course, blow smoke to try to prevent people from seeing who the real terrorists are.

    who the real terrorists are

    No argument here – the US and allies have been a massive purveyor of state-sponsored terrorism and death – is there a difference of opinion regarding this? The piles of bodies across the Atlantic bear witness to this.

    This is why the ulema (while recognizing the existence and denouncing the works of extremists and radicalized Muslims) place a great deal of responsibility on the US and others for creating the environment for these to sprout up:
    “The situation in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine is radicalising young people,” says Mufti Rafi Usmani, one of Pakistan’s highest-ranking clerics. [And possibly a Jewish plant, I guess - I kid, the man is a pillar of knowledge, wisdom and piety]
    “And an angry young man is in no-one’s control,” he said…
    These ulema are convinced that the solution to terrorism no longer lies in the hands of the Muslim world or the clerics.
    The West, they say, must seek a resolution of all the conflicts involving the Muslim world and hit at the root causes that have spawned terrorism all over the world.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm

    I think theirs is is a very balanced perspective to the matter.

    Peace.

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  196. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey JR,

    I suppose no good deed goes unpunished...at the risk of receiving more of a backlash from you, let me clarify a few more things. First though, you brought a smile to my face - so may God keep you smiling - because I have never before been called a Zionist shill. I'm definitely going to convey this to some of the brothers from the old MSA on campus and we'll have a laugh about it. I've participated in rallies in front of the Israeli embassy in LA, helped create pamphlets against Zionism and even almost came to blows with the Zionists on campus (but that was 20 years and 20 pounds ago - ;) ) so I don't feel I need to prove myself on that front. Favorite experience was ruining a campus Israeli Independence Day celebration in my third or fourth year - we marched out right in the middle of it with signs and held a silent protest - totally ruined the whole atmosphere. Anyway...

    These people are making these accusations and there is an onus on them to tell us what the proof is.
     
    You are absolutely correct in this, which is why I don't take the official version as gospel truth on 9/11 or a whole host of other events. There is a verse in the Qur'an that may interest you (that my son, daughter and I have memorized): "O you who believe, if an iniquitous person comes to you with some news, verify it (investigate to ascertain the truth), lest you should harm others unwittingly and then regret what you have done." 49:6

    The US government and media are NOT credible witnesses, which is why I am open to many possibilities apart from the official narrative. However, I am not going to take an oath and state no Muslims were involved. I think that is a reasonable stance to take, you do not. I find it very suspicious that most of the perpetrators of these crimes are conveniently dead. I am very open to them being patsies - which is what I was getting at in my last comment to you. And many are being manipulated and set up. Will Grigg does an awesome job of exposing the holes in the many instances of entrapment laid out by the authorities:
    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/03/inside-fbis-terrorism-factory.html

    On the flip side, some are indeed alive and people like Faisal Shahzad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad) was explicit in a public trial as to why he tried to do what he did.

    Yeah, right, sure the people in Saudi Arabia think that.
     
    Some do indeed. While some are the most sagacious living men on the planet; I met the erudite Yemeni scholar/Sufi Shaykh Habib Zain bin Sumait (ra) in Madinah - a walking lamp of guidance. I'll go a bit further, my brother also knew of at least one man who was disappeared for criticizing the regime - this stuff happens. Look, the extremist Wahhabi movement that came out of the Najd and caused massive havoc such that the Ottomans sent two armies to defeat it is both real and had zero to do with Zionism. These people exist and they are quite dangerous. I actually appreciate that you think Muslims are angelic people - I honestly wish that were so, but there is a problem within our midst that is not going to be remedied by always pointing the finger outward. Also that story about my aunt is true (embarrassing as it is) - but she is a lovely and gentle lady. Here are a couple of clips with a Sunni Orthodox Muslim scholar - the brilliant Shaykh Bilal Ansari (db), who taught me and others about the hadith sciences - which covers basically all the salient points succinctly and sanely:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuhpTMrlSA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52lct3XWGTs

    The saddest thing about this exchange is; I was actually appreciative of your articles and many of your comments. However, your judgement on my case being so far off the mark has indeed caused me to question your conclusions on other matters.

    My google profile website is referenced above - the offer still stands. I don't dine with swine either - they are najis 'aini gotta avoid them touching utensils and such.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,
    There are limits to politeness.

    I have been pointing to his mental deterioration for a period of time on the UR [even in his exchange with Ron Unz, JR's barely contained apoplexy was clearly on display and Ron ended up remarking [with words to that effect] on the unyielding extremeness, bordering on zealotry, of his views]

    His presence in any discussion poisons the environment. Invite him to dine? You must be taking the piss there mate!

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    Sam,

    Talha really believes in the tenets of his religion and is doing his best at actual implementation in his personal life. You and I have a different response to someone like JR because we are not bounded by these tenets.
    , @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    There are indeed limits - totally agree. I give internet conversations a wide berth since rudeness seems to be the norm everywhere. However, with respect to other facets of life; I used to live in a tough neighborhood in Inglewood for a spell (sirens all the time). It spurred me to buy a 'case' of intruder repellent made by our friends at Sturm/Ruger. If one threatens my babies, they will know the practical limits of a Sufi's politeness.

    Peace.

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  197. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    There are limits to politeness.

    I have been pointing to his mental deterioration for a period of time on the UR [even in his exchange with Ron Unz, JR's barely contained apoplexy was clearly on display and Ron ended up remarking [with words to that effect] on the unyielding extremeness, bordering on zealotry, of his views]

    His presence in any discussion poisons the environment. Invite him to dine? You must be taking the piss there mate!

    Sam,

    Talha really believes in the tenets of his religion and is doing his best at actual implementation in his personal life. You and I have a different response to someone like JR because we are not bounded by these tenets.

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    Yes you are right of course; in Tel Aviv we would give Jonny a Brith Mila ha'shnia [second circumcision]
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  198. Art says:

    Hmm – the question of the day.

    Is Talha guilty of truly, honestly, and forthrightly objecting to his Muslim people being murdered day in and day out year after year?

    Or is he a jihadi Ayatollah Gulenist Paki Saudi Mossad double agent with left wing commi back lives matter sympathies?

    p.s. Surly being respectful and nice and writing peace all the time is suspicious.

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  199. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    Sam,

    Talha really believes in the tenets of his religion and is doing his best at actual implementation in his personal life. You and I have a different response to someone like JR because we are not bounded by these tenets.

    Yes you are right of course; in Tel Aviv we would give Jonny a Brith Mila ha’shnia [second circumcision]

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    Yes you are right of course; in Tel Aviv we would give Jonny a Brith Mila ha’shnia [second circumcision]

    Oh - how sweet - supper Jew and super Jew wanabe - Sam and iffen - doing Tikkun.

    Here is Israel doing Tikkun.

    Israel to demolish 7 agricultural structures, water wells in southern Nablus

    NABLUS (Ma’an) -- Israeli forces on Monday evening delivered demolition notices for seven agricultural structures and water wells in the Nablus village of Qusra, local sources told Ma’an, amid a massive surge in demolitions carried out in Palestinian communities in the occupied West Bank's Area C.

    http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=772471
     
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  200. Talha really believes in the tenets of his religion and is doing his best at actual implementation in his personal life.

    Yeah, Uncle Talha belongs to a Muslim sect, whose main form of religious practice is sucking Zionist d***. In his theology, he’s currently running up the bonus points that will get him an extra choice spot in heaven.

    He also is a firm believer in “blowback”, figures that if he blows you, you’ll blow him back. (He’s probably misguided on that.)

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    LOL! Man that was a good one, I haven't heard stuff that good since highschool - seriously keep it coming man! You must have been awesome at "Yo Mama" stand offs!

    Peace.
    , @alexander
    Wasn't there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?

    I think he was being paid too...but I cannot remember how they caught him...I think someone in his dorm room saw his website history or something....

    The hasbara troll was using two alternate persona's and actually arguing with himself on internet sites like UNZ.

    I think one of his persona's was a psuedo skinhead antisemite and the other was an ultra liberal JVP type.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi's shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?
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  201. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Yes you are right of course; in Tel Aviv we would give Jonny a Brith Mila ha'shnia [second circumcision]

    Yes you are right of course; in Tel Aviv we would give Jonny a Brith Mila ha’shnia [second circumcision]

    Oh – how sweet – supper Jew and super Jew wanabe – Sam and iffen – doing Tikkun.

    Here is Israel doing Tikkun.

    Israel to demolish 7 agricultural structures, water wells in southern Nablus

    NABLUS (Ma’an) — Israeli forces on Monday evening delivered demolition notices for seven agricultural structures and water wells in the Nablus village of Qusra, local sources told Ma’an, amid a massive surge in demolitions carried out in Palestinian communities in the occupied West Bank’s Area C.

    http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=772471

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    Art,

    I am no expert on TO, but I am sure that this does not qualify.
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  202. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    There are limits to politeness.

    I have been pointing to his mental deterioration for a period of time on the UR [even in his exchange with Ron Unz, JR's barely contained apoplexy was clearly on display and Ron ended up remarking [with words to that effect] on the unyielding extremeness, bordering on zealotry, of his views]

    His presence in any discussion poisons the environment. Invite him to dine? You must be taking the piss there mate!

    Hey Sam,

    There are indeed limits – totally agree. I give internet conversations a wide berth since rudeness seems to be the norm everywhere. However, with respect to other facets of life; I used to live in a tough neighborhood in Inglewood for a spell (sirens all the time). It spurred me to buy a ‘case’ of intruder repellent made by our friends at Sturm/Ruger. If one threatens my babies, they will know the practical limits of a Sufi’s politeness.

    Peace.

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    Slight correction; my purchase of said repellent actually predated my move, but it was all related. A bunch of us young Muslims had started families right after university and wanted to make big changes in the world. We had been in contact with and read about inner city Imams that had changed up the environments around their communities; you know, run out the drug dealers, clean up the parks for the kids, etc. We were so young, naive and full of ourselves that we thought we could do the same. Lucky Inglewood came under our sights. The whole endeavor took less than a year to collapse...sigh...Schopenhauer had some relevant things to say about this phenomena in youth.

    "Youth is a type of madness." - reported in Fayd ul-Qadeer

    Peace.
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  203. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You are right about Talha.
     
    Hi, Utu. I'm glad you can see that.

    Before calling it out, I spent some time poring through Talha's commenting history. They really have put a lot of effort into constructing this phony "good Muslim" Talha persona.

    Of course, it's pretty telling that his most strident defenders will be the Zionist shills here. But, it's not just them. He had a lot of people conned and a lot of people have a hard time admitting that they were conned. This is called "cognitive dissonance".

    But the "Talha" persona is a con job pretty clearly.

    He had a lot of people conned and a lot of people have a hard time admitting that they were conned. This is called “cognitive dissonance”.

    “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain

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  204. Talha says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Talha really believes in the tenets of his religion and is doing his best at actual implementation in his personal life.
     
    Yeah, Uncle Talha belongs to a Muslim sect, whose main form of religious practice is sucking Zionist d***. In his theology, he's currently running up the bonus points that will get him an extra choice spot in heaven.

    He also is a firm believer in "blowback", figures that if he blows you, you'll blow him back. (He's probably misguided on that.)

    LOL! Man that was a good one, I haven’t heard stuff that good since highschool – seriously keep it coming man! You must have been awesome at “Yo Mama” stand offs!

    Peace.

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    Talha,

    Didn't you get into a similar exchange a few months ago with another commenter? I seem to remember that you repented of that exchange in that you were feeding your ego and that is not something "we" want to do.

    Just trying to keep a fellow passenger on the wagon. :)
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  205. iffen says:
    @Art
    Yes you are right of course; in Tel Aviv we would give Jonny a Brith Mila ha’shnia [second circumcision]

    Oh - how sweet - supper Jew and super Jew wanabe - Sam and iffen - doing Tikkun.

    Here is Israel doing Tikkun.

    Israel to demolish 7 agricultural structures, water wells in southern Nablus

    NABLUS (Ma’an) -- Israeli forces on Monday evening delivered demolition notices for seven agricultural structures and water wells in the Nablus village of Qusra, local sources told Ma’an, amid a massive surge in demolitions carried out in Palestinian communities in the occupied West Bank's Area C.

    http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=772471
     

    Art,

    I am no expert on TO, but I am sure that this does not qualify.

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    I am no expert on TO, but I am sure that this does not qualify.

    TO is BS - there is no Tikkun - it cannot happen - it is impossible - Jews cannot make the world better because they love force. Their answer is always another force backed law.

    Israel is proof that Tikkun will not happen. Here is another daily example of life under Jew rule.

    PPS: “Israeli Soldiers Kidnap 21 Palestinians In The West Bank”

    The Palestinian Prisoners Society (PPS) has reported that Israeli soldiers have kidnapped, on Tuesday at dawn, 21 Palestinians in different parts of the occupied West Bank. The soldiers also assaulted one of the Al-Aqsa Mosque guards, in occupied Jerusalem.

    http://imemc.org/article/pps-israeli-soldiers-kidnap-21-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/
     
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  206. @5371
    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]

    In how short a step, Jonny Rev, does one go from the heights of perfection to the depths of iniquity! All it takes is not conforming to one of the phantoms in your brain.

    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]

    Oh, hi. I see that you seem to take what I told that little worm Qasim personally. You’re quite correct in that. It also applies to you. You, anonymous dipshit #5371, can also go fuck yourself.

    Oh, and it also applies to the rest of the professional lying shit eating shill bastards here: iffen, grmbl, Sam Shama… you guys can all go fuck yourselves.

    I’ve exposed this shit. Go play your “Good Muslim/Bad Muslim” shill game somewhere else because you’re exposed here. AND take your little Pakistani poodle Muzzie mascot Uncle Talha with you too. That little lying bastard with his smarmy phony piety can go fuck himself too.

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    Jonathan, you and Talha are the undisputed stars of this show. Hope to collect an autograph one of these days from you both. As well as from that ole Tasmanian devil Joe Webb and about a dozen others.

    Yours will go on the wall right next to Sam ("Son of Sam") Berkowitz, Talha's goes below the autographs of Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer. Genealogy, even if only cultural, is important.

    , @Sam Shama
    Really unhappy creature, aren't you? Has it occurred to you, even in some small measure, that you are your own undoing? Just as 5371 observed, and I am paraphrasing: you are basically a schizophrenic turd with lines of Tourette's .

    What is the root cause of your condition? I am truly intrigued; that you are Jewish you told me in the past; that you hate jews is also clear but not unusual; that you live and breathe conspiracy and have been warring on account of 9/11 "truth" from some Spanish slum is odd to be sure; but this unrestrained, filth speckled vitriol with shades of sado-masochism points to a desperate search for catharsis.

    Do you remember what happened to you in your teenage years? Or childhood? Were your parents able to get you Bar Mitzvah'd?
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  207. alexander says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Talha really believes in the tenets of his religion and is doing his best at actual implementation in his personal life.
     
    Yeah, Uncle Talha belongs to a Muslim sect, whose main form of religious practice is sucking Zionist d***. In his theology, he's currently running up the bonus points that will get him an extra choice spot in heaven.

    He also is a firm believer in "blowback", figures that if he blows you, you'll blow him back. (He's probably misguided on that.)

    Wasn’t there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?

    I think he was being paid too…but I cannot remember how they caught him…I think someone in his dorm room saw his website history or something….

    The hasbara troll was using two alternate persona’s and actually arguing with himself on internet sites like UNZ.

    I think one of his persona’s was a psuedo skinhead antisemite and the other was an ultra liberal JVP type.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?

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    how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?


    When I signed my contract I was told that there are about 60 of us English speakers on the payroll. I didn't know whether to believe that or not. You know how deceptive (((they))) are, especially concerning contracts and finances.
    , @Sam Shama
    You could apply as well. I do it pro bono [and Iffen too, although he has better benefits]; but the Fed always backstops our efforts.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Wasn’t there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?
     
    Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

    I think he was being paid too.
     
    Most likely he was. I always had a funny feeling about this "Talha" persona. When I read the comment he made, basically saying that he personally knew people who had "self-radicalized" on the Internet, I knew that couldn't be. I went and read through a lot of his comments history and it really became readily apparent that the guy is some sort of phony. There were certain dead giveaways -- that I outlined.

    But, anyway, when you look through all that, you see how much bloody work has been expended to create this phony "good Muslim" persona "Talha". It is very hard to believe that somebody would put in all that work on their own time just for the pure heck of it.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?
     
    I think you'd see plenty. A site like wikipedia that, in principle, anybody can edit, they're all over it like flies on shit. Of course, there are a bunch of them here.

    I think "Talha" is busted now. To anybody with a discerning eye, the fact that his ardent defenders on the site are, for the most part, the most notorious Zionist shills here -- this should tell anybody what is really going on. I think it's worth busting the fake "Talha" character because they did really invest quite a bit of energy into that deception.
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  208. grmbl says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]
     
    Oh, hi. I see that you seem to take what I told that little worm Qasim personally. You're quite correct in that. It also applies to you. You, anonymous dipshit #5371, can also go fuck yourself.

    Oh, and it also applies to the rest of the professional lying shit eating shill bastards here: iffen, grmbl, Sam Shama... you guys can all go fuck yourselves.

    I've exposed this shit. Go play your "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" shill game somewhere else because you're exposed here. AND take your little Pakistani poodle Muzzie mascot Uncle Talha with you too. That little lying bastard with his smarmy phony piety can go fuck himself too.

    Jonathan, you and Talha are the undisputed stars of this show. Hope to collect an autograph one of these days from you both. As well as from that ole Tasmanian devil Joe Webb and about a dozen others.

    Yours will go on the wall right next to Sam (“Son of Sam”) Berkowitz, Talha’s goes below the autographs of Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer. Genealogy, even if only cultural, is important.

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    Darn it! How many people does a man have to eat before he gets a higher placement?

    Peace.
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  209. Art says:
    @iffen
    Art,

    I am no expert on TO, but I am sure that this does not qualify.

    I am no expert on TO, but I am sure that this does not qualify.

    TO is BS – there is no Tikkun – it cannot happen – it is impossible – Jews cannot make the world better because they love force. Their answer is always another force backed law.

    Israel is proof that Tikkun will not happen. Here is another daily example of life under Jew rule.

    PPS: “Israeli Soldiers Kidnap 21 Palestinians In The West Bank”

    The Palestinian Prisoners Society (PPS) has reported that Israeli soldiers have kidnapped, on Tuesday at dawn, 21 Palestinians in different parts of the occupied West Bank. The soldiers also assaulted one of the Al-Aqsa Mosque guards, in occupied Jerusalem.

    http://imemc.org/article/pps-israeli-soldiers-kidnap-21-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/

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    Art,

    One person's kidnapping of innocents is another person's arrest of evildoers.
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  210. iffen says:
    @Talha
    LOL! Man that was a good one, I haven't heard stuff that good since highschool - seriously keep it coming man! You must have been awesome at "Yo Mama" stand offs!

    Peace.

    Talha,

    Didn’t you get into a similar exchange a few months ago with another commenter? I seem to remember that you repented of that exchange in that you were feeding your ego and that is not something “we” want to do.

    Just trying to keep a fellow passenger on the wagon. :)

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    Yeah - that was with JW where I insulted him surreptitiously with sarcasm - he's more of an 'eccentric uncle' figure for me now - so I don't take things personally from him. As far as JR, my last comment was sincere, I did laugh out loud when I read it - gotta give credit where it's due - it was a good jibe.

    But I do thank you for looking out for me in this regard - it is always welcome.

    May God preserve you and yours.
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  211. iffen says:
    @Art
    I am no expert on TO, but I am sure that this does not qualify.

    TO is BS - there is no Tikkun - it cannot happen - it is impossible - Jews cannot make the world better because they love force. Their answer is always another force backed law.

    Israel is proof that Tikkun will not happen. Here is another daily example of life under Jew rule.

    PPS: “Israeli Soldiers Kidnap 21 Palestinians In The West Bank”

    The Palestinian Prisoners Society (PPS) has reported that Israeli soldiers have kidnapped, on Tuesday at dawn, 21 Palestinians in different parts of the occupied West Bank. The soldiers also assaulted one of the Al-Aqsa Mosque guards, in occupied Jerusalem.

    http://imemc.org/article/pps-israeli-soldiers-kidnap-21-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/
     

    Art,

    One person’s kidnapping of innocents is another person’s arrest of evildoers.

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  212. joe webb says:
    @Talha
    Race War!!! I'm telling you Joe, nobody talks about race war like my kids talk about ice cream - but you! That's why we missed you - nothing like a good cup o' Joe Webb in the morning - but do not ask for it extra dark!

    Peace.

    War…you idiot.

    You guys are so out of it, I wonder why I bother. JW

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    [War ...you idiot]

    Joe can you please expand a bit? You may have done it in the past, and if so provide a link?
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  213. iffen says:
    @alexander
    Wasn't there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?

    I think he was being paid too...but I cannot remember how they caught him...I think someone in his dorm room saw his website history or something....

    The hasbara troll was using two alternate persona's and actually arguing with himself on internet sites like UNZ.

    I think one of his persona's was a psuedo skinhead antisemite and the other was an ultra liberal JVP type.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi's shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?

    how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?

    When I signed my contract I was told that there are about 60 of us English speakers on the payroll. I didn’t know whether to believe that or not. You know how deceptive (((they))) are, especially concerning contracts and finances.

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    Well I ,for one, think you are doing a swell job, Iffen.

    Maybe we should ring up King Bibi and demand that big shekel boost !

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  214. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    [Fuck you, Qasim, and the camel you rode in on.]
     
    Oh, hi. I see that you seem to take what I told that little worm Qasim personally. You're quite correct in that. It also applies to you. You, anonymous dipshit #5371, can also go fuck yourself.

    Oh, and it also applies to the rest of the professional lying shit eating shill bastards here: iffen, grmbl, Sam Shama... you guys can all go fuck yourselves.

    I've exposed this shit. Go play your "Good Muslim/Bad Muslim" shill game somewhere else because you're exposed here. AND take your little Pakistani poodle Muzzie mascot Uncle Talha with you too. That little lying bastard with his smarmy phony piety can go fuck himself too.

    Really unhappy creature, aren’t you? Has it occurred to you, even in some small measure, that you are your own undoing? Just as 5371 observed, and I am paraphrasing: you are basically a schizophrenic turd with lines of Tourette’s .

    What is the root cause of your condition? I am truly intrigued; that you are Jewish you told me in the past; that you hate jews is also clear but not unusual; that you live and breathe conspiracy and have been warring on account of 9/11 “truth” from some Spanish slum is odd to be sure; but this unrestrained, filth speckled vitriol with shades of sado-masochism points to a desperate search for catharsis.

    Do you remember what happened to you in your teenage years? Or childhood? Were your parents able to get you Bar Mitzvah’d?

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  215. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Talha,

    Didn't you get into a similar exchange a few months ago with another commenter? I seem to remember that you repented of that exchange in that you were feeding your ego and that is not something "we" want to do.

    Just trying to keep a fellow passenger on the wagon. :)

    Yeah – that was with JW where I insulted him surreptitiously with sarcasm – he’s more of an ‘eccentric uncle’ figure for me now – so I don’t take things personally from him. As far as JR, my last comment was sincere, I did laugh out loud when I read it – gotta give credit where it’s due – it was a good jibe.

    But I do thank you for looking out for me in this regard – it is always welcome.

    May God preserve you and yours.

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  216. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb
    War...you idiot.

    You guys are so out of it, I wonder why I bother. JW

    [War ...you idiot]

    Joe can you please expand a bit? You may have done it in the past, and if so provide a link?

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    the Demagogue Party is the party of minority racists and white race traitors aka white liberals.
    The Repugnican Party is being transformed into the White People's Party. This is Polarization. Demographics is running against Whites, who know who built this country, us. Guns are selling like...guns in the run-up to civil war. Obongo speaks and guns fly off the shelves of gun stores

    (All over Europe, civil war is obviously coming, with the French military very aroused over the muzzies )

    If you think that this will eventuate in peace, you are crazy. Here is one I just penned, with the the Roger Cohen column targeted.

    Maybe you guys are ME centric and not paying attention to Trumpism, US media and European media.

    Fw: NYTimes.com: Obama’s American Idea ( the rabbi is tired of yelling and bobbing at his desk.)
    People


    To: Joe Webb
    Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:21 AM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: Obama’s American Idea ( the rabbi is tired of yelling and bobbing at his desk.)

    The 'Ceaseless Becoming' is a joke, a kind of Hegelian historicist or Marxist historicist metaphysics that Mankind has a Destiny, that we are traveling in a straight line toward some kind of End, which of course is Nice. Liberals think similarly, that the End of History is the liberal capitalist pluralist democracy. The marxists and Hegel types were less wild about how soon all of this would be accomplished, and of course Christian fundamentalists think it is around the next corner, with the jews no longer a Problem as they either convert or go to hell.

    The rabbi here deploys the liberal universalist ideology of E Plurabus Unum for us but of course grants Israel a dispensation for its old fashioned racialism: Out of One, One. keep the negroes.! and wogs Out!

    "Ceaseless Becoming" is a more conservative claim as it defers the promised-land ceaselessly. Well that is more Darwinian but it carries the notion that the 'Becoming' means better and better.

    Reminds me of an line from a local marxist perfesser: because the world is not yet complete, therefore we are not yet complete. Nice. Of course, the metaphysics therein is that there exists a Completeness. This is akin to liberal capitalist democracy ideology. We have Arrived say the yo-yos like Fukiyaya a while back. History is Over and Compleat.

    Main point: the rabbi deploys the magic words, 'out of many, one' which in the foundation of the US meant, out of many White people, one white people. That was true enough then and is true enough today. In fact with Trump white people are becoming more one, except for our race traitors, negro-lovers, muzzie lovers, etc.

    Robert Putnam in his Diversity and Community in the 21st Century study a few years ago (Harvard Sociology Dept.) set out to prove a hypothesis that Diversity Makes Us Stronger. His very large study found exactly the opposite, that the more diverse (euphemism dept.) or racially mixed a community is , the more distrust and unhappiness among all races obtains.

    So much for race mixing here. Also, any merely casual reading of race mixing in other countries....every day in the news is nothing but Bad News.

    So. Evolution has been a biological tendency toward Higher, at least with regard to Northern races like northeast Asians and Whites. Natural Selection selects for smarter people, when left alone to do its work. These days, Higher, or eugenics, is being swapped for Dysgenia. IQs are going down due to race mixing and the corruption of smart whites who prefer BMWs to children.

    Evolution has driven Higher, thru Natural Selection and Sexual Selection. Now, we are instructed by jews to mate with negroes and other low-life, while of course jews are to marry only jews.

    Go figure. Out of Many Races in one country, comes Race War, dysgenics, and the End of Higher. Buy guns.

    Tell the rabbi to take a vacation, next week in Jerusalem, and remember The Future Lies Ahead.

    You want peace and love? Stay with your own kind. You want World Peace (relative)? all races in their own countries, and aggressive wars forbidden; worth a try.

    Joe Webb
    --------

    What more can I say , in brief? Blacks vote 90 % Dem. Mexers, chinks, assorted Turd World and muzzie types, Arab and Turkic vote low 70 per cents Dem. This cannot end peacefully. Whites are down to abut 71 % of the population and more non-white critters are being born than White babies.

    The jews keep on and now jewtimes has come with the "Trump Emergency" which I guess is a signal to the military. That is funny, cuz if the military makes a move, it will be for Whites.

    The jewyorktimes and other media are beside themselves with rage. Most Whites are on the verge of rage. E Pluribus Unum.

    The low IQ types and the chinks as well...yellow peril again...combine against Whites , and of course this is all cheerlead by jews.

    send me an email and i will add you to my list cuz I write several times a week on all of this stuff. I am Out, and my enemies know my stuff, so any of you who want to send Mossad copies, etc, have been beaten to the punch many times over.

    Joe Webb
    Evolution IS racial, as Darwin stated in his Origin. The global North selected for intelligence and good sense, which does not exist in the South, for the largest part. Ice Age, etc.



    ----- Forwarded Message -----
    From: webfoote41
    To: webfoote41@yahoo.com
    Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 9:32 AM
    Subject: NYTimes.com: Obama’s American Idea


    Sent by webfoote41@yahoo.com:

    OP-ED COLUMNIST
    Obama’s American Idea
    BY ROGER COHEN

    There is no real America to take back, as Trump insists, because America’s many-hued reality is a ceaseless becoming.
    Or, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://nyti.ms/2aWhR65
    Not
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  217. Sam Shama says:
    @alexander
    Wasn't there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?

    I think he was being paid too...but I cannot remember how they caught him...I think someone in his dorm room saw his website history or something....

    The hasbara troll was using two alternate persona's and actually arguing with himself on internet sites like UNZ.

    I think one of his persona's was a psuedo skinhead antisemite and the other was an ultra liberal JVP type.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi's shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?

    You could apply as well. I do it pro bono [and Iffen too, although he has better benefits]; but the Fed always backstops our efforts.

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    Don't forget Talha.

    The three amigos: Muslim, Jew and atheist.
    , @alexander
    Touche' Sam,


    Too funny !
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  218. alexander says:
    @iffen
    how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?


    When I signed my contract I was told that there are about 60 of us English speakers on the payroll. I didn't know whether to believe that or not. You know how deceptive (((they))) are, especially concerning contracts and finances.

    Well I ,for one, think you are doing a swell job, Iffen.

    Maybe we should ring up King Bibi and demand that big shekel boost !

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  219. @alexander
    Wasn't there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?

    I think he was being paid too...but I cannot remember how they caught him...I think someone in his dorm room saw his website history or something....

    The hasbara troll was using two alternate persona's and actually arguing with himself on internet sites like UNZ.

    I think one of his persona's was a psuedo skinhead antisemite and the other was an ultra liberal JVP type.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi's shekels ?

    Does anyone know ?

    Wasn’t there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?

    Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

    I think he was being paid too.

    Most likely he was. I always had a funny feeling about this “Talha” persona. When I read the comment he made, basically saying that he personally knew people who had “self-radicalized” on the Internet, I knew that couldn’t be. I went and read through a lot of his comments history and it really became readily apparent that the guy is some sort of phony. There were certain dead giveaways — that I outlined.

    But, anyway, when you look through all that, you see how much bloody work has been expended to create this phony “good Muslim” persona “Talha”. It is very hard to believe that somebody would put in all that work on their own time just for the pure heck of it.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?

    I think you’d see plenty. A site like wikipedia that, in principle, anybody can edit, they’re all over it like flies on shit. Of course, there are a bunch of them here.

    I think “Talha” is busted now. To anybody with a discerning eye, the fact that his ardent defenders on the site are, for the most part, the most notorious Zionist shills here — this should tell anybody what is really going on. I think it’s worth busting the fake “Talha” character because they did really invest quite a bit of energy into that deception.

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    I think it’s worth busting the fake “Talha” character because they did really invest quite a bit of energy into that deception.

    Pinpricks against the Empire?
    , @alexander
    I wonder what happens when they get busted ?

    If they get "outed" like you outed Mr. Talha....are they forced to take a shekel cut ?

    Shouldn't his shekels go to you, now ?
    , @L.K
    J.R: "I think you’d see plenty. A site like wikipedia that, in principle, anybody can edit, they’re all over it like flies on shit. Of course, there are a bunch of them here."

    So true.

    Wikipedia Infiltrated by Zionist Editors
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLinRHhPxvA
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  220. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    You could apply as well. I do it pro bono [and Iffen too, although he has better benefits]; but the Fed always backstops our efforts.

    Don’t forget Talha.

    The three amigos: Muslim, Jew and atheist.

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    Talha is still in training, but shows great promise.

    You know, it just occurred to me that Jonny Rev may just be that deep deep undercover talent I kept hearing about in Tel Aviv, one that plays crazy muzzie-loving jew, and outs the traitors!

    Its a long-term operation.
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  221. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama
    [War ...you idiot]

    Joe can you please expand a bit? You may have done it in the past, and if so provide a link?

    the Demagogue Party is the party of minority racists and white race traitors aka white liberals.
    The Repugnican Party is being transformed into the White People’s Party. This is Polarization. Demographics is running against Whites, who know who built this country, us. Guns are selling like…guns in the run-up to civil war. Obongo speaks and guns fly off the shelves of gun stores

    (All over Europe, civil war is obviously coming, with the French military very aroused over the muzzies )

    If you think that this will eventuate in peace, you are crazy. Here is one I just penned, with the the Roger Cohen column targeted.

    Maybe you guys are ME centric and not paying attention to Trumpism, US media and European media.

    Fw: NYTimes.com: Obama’s American Idea ( the rabbi is tired of yelling and bobbing at his desk.)
    People

    To: Joe Webb
    Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:21 AM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: Obama’s American Idea ( the rabbi is tired of yelling and bobbing at his desk.)

    [MORE]

    The ‘Ceaseless Becoming’ is a joke, a kind of Hegelian historicist or Marxist historicist metaphysics that Mankind has a Destiny, that we are traveling in a straight line toward some kind of End, which of course is Nice. Liberals think similarly, that the End of History is the liberal capitalist pluralist democracy. The marxists and Hegel types were less wild about how soon all of this would be accomplished, and of course Christian fundamentalists think it is around the next corner, with the jews no longer a Problem as they either convert or go to hell.

    The rabbi here deploys the liberal universalist ideology of E Plurabus Unum for us but of course grants Israel a dispensation for its old fashioned racialism: Out of One, One. keep the negroes.! and wogs Out!

    “Ceaseless Becoming” is a more conservative claim as it defers the promised-land ceaselessly. Well that is more Darwinian but it carries the notion that the ‘Becoming’ means better and better.

    Reminds me of an line from a local marxist perfesser: because the world is not yet complete, therefore we are not yet complete. Nice. Of course, the metaphysics therein is that there exists a Completeness. This is akin to liberal capitalist democracy ideology. We have Arrived say the yo-yos like Fukiyaya a while back. History is Over and Compleat.

    Main point: the rabbi deploys the magic words, ‘out of many, one’ which in the foundation of the US meant, out of many White people, one white people. That was true enough then and is true enough today. In fact with Trump white people are becoming more one, except for our race traitors, negro-lovers, muzzie lovers, etc.

    Robert Putnam in his Diversity and Community in the 21st Century study a few years ago (Harvard Sociology Dept.) set out to prove a hypothesis that Diversity Makes Us Stronger. His very large study found exactly the opposite, that the more diverse (euphemism dept.) or racially mixed a community is , the more distrust and unhappiness among all races obtains.

    So much for race mixing here. Also, any merely casual reading of race mixing in other countries….every day in the news is nothing but Bad News.

    So. Evolution has been a biological tendency toward Higher, at least with regard to Northern races like northeast Asians and Whites. Natural Selection selects for smarter people, when left alone to do its work. These days, Higher, or eugenics, is being swapped for Dysgenia. IQs are going down due to race mixing and the corruption of smart whites who prefer BMWs to children.

    Evolution has driven Higher, thru Natural Selection and Sexual Selection. Now, we are instructed by jews to mate with negroes and other low-life, while of course jews are to marry only jews.

    Go figure. Out of Many Races in one country, comes Race War, dysgenics, and the End of Higher. Buy guns.

    Tell the rabbi to take a vacation, next week in Jerusalem, and remember The Future Lies Ahead.

    You want peace and love? Stay with your own kind. You want World Peace (relative)? all races in their own countries, and aggressive wars forbidden; worth a try.

    Joe Webb
    ——–

    What more can I say , in brief? Blacks vote 90 % Dem. Mexers, chinks, assorted Turd World and muzzie types, Arab and Turkic vote low 70 per cents Dem. This cannot end peacefully. Whites are down to abut 71 % of the population and more non-white critters are being born than White babies.

    The jews keep on and now jewtimes has come with the “Trump Emergency” which I guess is a signal to the military. That is funny, cuz if the military makes a move, it will be for Whites.

    The jewyorktimes and other media are beside themselves with rage. Most Whites are on the verge of rage. E Pluribus Unum.

    The low IQ types and the chinks as well…yellow peril again…combine against Whites , and of course this is all cheerlead by jews.

    send me an email and i will add you to my list cuz I write several times a week on all of this stuff. I am Out, and my enemies know my stuff, so any of you who want to send Mossad copies, etc, have been beaten to the punch many times over.

    Joe Webb
    Evolution IS racial, as Darwin stated in his Origin. The global North selected for intelligence and good sense, which does not exist in the South, for the largest part. Ice Age, etc.

    —– Forwarded Message —–
    From: webfoote41
    To: webfoote41@yahoo.com
    Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 9:32 AM
    Subject: NYTimes.com: Obama’s American Idea

    Sent by webfoote41@yahoo.com:

    OP-ED COLUMNIST
    Obama’s American Idea
    BY ROGER COHEN

    There is no real America to take back, as Trump insists, because America’s many-hued reality is a ceaseless becoming.
    Or, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://nyti.ms/2aWhR65
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  222. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Wasn’t there an article in Mondoweiss a few years back that stated they caught this guy at Harvard trolling for Israel with multiple fabricated identities ?
     
    Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

    I think he was being paid too.
     
    Most likely he was. I always had a funny feeling about this "Talha" persona. When I read the comment he made, basically saying that he personally knew people who had "self-radicalized" on the Internet, I knew that couldn't be. I went and read through a lot of his comments history and it really became readily apparent that the guy is some sort of phony. There were certain dead giveaways -- that I outlined.

    But, anyway, when you look through all that, you see how much bloody work has been expended to create this phony "good Muslim" persona "Talha". It is very hard to believe that somebody would put in all that work on their own time just for the pure heck of it.

    I wonder if you pulled back the curtain, how big an army of decepticons would we actually see, trolling for King Bibi’s shekels ?
     
    I think you'd see plenty. A site like wikipedia that, in principle, anybody can edit, they're all over it like flies on shit. Of course, there are a bunch of them here.

    I think "Talha" is busted now. To anybody with a discerning eye, the fact that his ardent defenders on the site are, for the most part, the most notorious Zionist shills here -- this should tell anybody what is really going on. I think it's worth busting the fake "Talha" character because they did really invest quite a bit of energy into that deception.

    I think it’s worth busting the fake “Talha” character because they did really invest quite a bit of energy into that deception.

    Pinpricks against the Empire?<