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The Middle-East is literally exploding: the Houthis have delivered an extremely effective blow against Saudi oil production which (so they claim) has now dropped by 50% before bouncing back; there are persistent rumors that Russian Su-35S and S-400 have threatened to shoot down Israeli aircraft attacking Syria; Lebanon has declared that it will defend itself against Israeli attacks; Hezbollah has been threatening to deliver crippling strikes on Israel and even Israeli officials; Turkey has purchased Russian air defenses and says that if the US refuses to deliver their F-35s, then Turkey will consider Su-35S and even maybe Su-57’s. Bibi Netanyahu tried to use Putin for his reelection campaign (well, he really is trying desperately to stay out of jail) but had to go home empty handed and, according to the JP, his mission was a failure.

Finally, and just to make sure that the crises are only limited to the Middle-East: the Polaks and the EU Court have successfully sued to try to force Russia to use the Ukie gas transit; the US is invoking ancient treaties to threaten Venezuela; the UK is going to hell in a handbasket; Europe (well, Germany) can’t even get the Polaks to heel about North Stream 2 (well, they are heeling, of course, but to Uncle Shmuel, not Angela Merkel); India and Pakistan are threatening one another over Kashmir. Did I forget anything?

Oh yes, the DPRK is firing new missiles; the US wants to blame Iran for the Houthi attacks; China categorically rejects such accusations, while Russia continues to announce new revolutionary weapons built on new principles and plans to deploy the S-500 “Prometheus”, just to make sure the Empire does not get any stupid ideas about trying to strike Russia (or her allies which will begin purchasing the S-500 in 2021, according official sources).

I am sure I have forgotten plenty. Really, the Empire is collapsing on all fronts and that, in turn, means the chances that the ignorant dimwits in the White House will do something very stupid, dramatically increase.

Yes, I know, Bolton was fired. And I applaud that, but considering that I believe that Pompeo is even more delusional and evil than Bolton (not to mention fantastically arrogant!), that is hardly a reason to hope (I just read that Robert C. O’Brien will succeed Bolton; he used to be the Special Presidential Envoy for Hostage Affairs at the State Department; I wonder if that means even more kidnappings of Russian nationals worldwide…?).

There is so much to cover here that I will limit myself to a few points about the Middle-East which I think are important.

First, the partial destruction of the most important Saudi oil facilities is a HUGE embarrassment for the US. Remember that the KSA is really the “center” of CENTCOM and even the reason for its existence (to “protect” Iran from the USSR and officially keep the Shah safe, but in reality this was also part of a major deal between the US the KSA: “you accept payment only in dollars and we will protect you against everybody“). Sure, there is a long list of western stooges to which a similar promise was made, including Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, Manuel Noriega, Hosni Mubarak and many others; most are now dead, the rest in jail (iirc). Now its the turn of the Saudis it seems: not only could the super-duper “better than the S-300” patriots not stop the Houthis, all of the combined might of CENTCOM failed too.

Second, I can only concur with ‘b’ at Moon of Alabamathe war is over for the KSA. Whether they realize it or not makes no difference. Okay, it will make a difference in time, but in time only. The Saudis and their AngloZionist patrons have three solutions:

  1. Continue pretty much like before: that is the definition of insanity if different results are expected.
  2. Escalate and strike Iran, following which the entire Middle-East will explode with dramatic consequences.
  3. Do what the US always does: declare victory and leave.

Obviously, the third option is the only sensible one, but who said that Bibi, Trump or MbS are sensible at all? Tulsi Gabbard joined me in calling Trump somebody’s bitch, except I call him an Israeli bitch whereas Gabbard calls him a Saudi bitch. Same difference!

There is, however, one restraining factor: if Trump ever strikes Iran he will become the “disposable President” for the Neocons: Iran will use the opportunity to strike Israel and Trump will be impeached for it (the Neocons are, after all, in total control of the DNC and many key committees in Congress).

So this will all boil down to Trump and whether he has the info and brains to realize that an attack on Iran will wreck his Presidency (which is already FUBARed enough and attacking Iran will make it official) and he will be both impeached and, obviously, never reelected.

Third , could the Houthis have done it themselves? Absolutely yes. Iran did not have to strike directly, precisely because the Houthis were capable of doing it themselves. Check out this official exhibit of Houthi ballistic missiles and drones and see for yourself here and here. Furthermore, the Houthis are becoming very similar to Hezbollah and they have clearly learned advanced missile and drone capabilities (from Iran, which is why the Israelis and the US are so angry). Now I am not, repeat, NOT saying that Iran did not help or that this strike would have been as successful had Iran not provided intelligence, targeting, technical expertise, etc. But if there is any evidence of direct Iranian involvement, let this “malevolent manatee” (which is how Fred Reed referred to Pompeo) show it to the world, and it better be better than the crap they showed for Skripal or the chemical false flags in Syria.

ORDER IT NOW

Fourth, what this means for the KSA and their AngloZionist patrons is that the Houthis can strike anywhere inside the KSA with total impunity. And not only in the KSA. Furthermore, I suspect that Iran can also hit every single oil or gas related facility in the Middle-East just like it can strike every US/CENTCOM/NATO/Israeli objective it wants. Furthermore, in case of total war in the Middle-East, you can expect missiles raining down on US facilities not only from Yemen (Houthis) and Lebanon (Hezbollah) but also potentially from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Fifth, it really does not matter where or what the US and/or Saudis and/or Israelis fire at Iran, the response will be the same, at least according to Professor Marandi: it will be massive and the oil and gas export capability of the entire Middle-East will be threatened. There is no safe, cheap or effective way to strike Iran. But do the folks in DC realize that?

Next, I want to offer a few points about the alleged interception of Israeli F-35 by Russian Su-35S over Syria.

First, we really don’t have the facts, so let’s wait a little. Most stories about this come from one Arabic online paper. Now, in the last 24 hours there was “sort of kinda” confirmation from Russia, but not from officials, and these reports were not so much giving factual details as gloating that Netanyahu walked away from Russia with nothing.

Second, my best guess is that this story is probably based on reality. The Israelis have been behaving as if they did not care about the Russian presence in Syria: so they engage in airstrikes exclusively for PR purposes (remember, Bibi wants to avoid jail!) and the Russians probably complained and were ignored, and now they’ve had enough.

Third, the fact that the Jerusalem Post had to published a horrified article about this event conclusively proves that those who were trying to convince us that Russia and Israel were working hand in hand and that Putin was Bibi’s best friend were, well, full of crapola and their clickbait was just that: clickbait.

Fourth, there are those technology buffs who will always try to prove that the Su-35S is vastly superior to the F-35 and that this story is very credible and those who will explain that the F-35 is vastly superior to the Su-35S and that this story is pure invention. The truth is that it is useless and meaningless to compare two advanced aircraft “in the abstract” or declare that one is so much better than the other. Okay, yes, the Su-35S is superior in many aspects to the F-35, but most definitely not in all possible scenarios. In fact, we would also need to know what other aircraft were in the air at the time – including AWACs, SEAD and EW – and we would need to find out exactly what role the Russian S-400s played (if any). Generally, I urge you not to engage in a) “bean-counting” (only looking at quantities) or in b) making direct combat aircraft comparisons. In the latter case, we would need to know what kind (and how much) of training the pilots got, what kind of weapons they had, what kind of sensors they used and how, and more generally, exactly how the Israelis decided to structure their attack and how the Russians decided to respond. Finally, we would have to get some detail on sensor fusing, network-centric operations, datalinks, etc. Since we know nothing about any of that, I recommend that we don’t dwell on aircraft/radar/missile X vs aircraft/radar/missile Y. It’s just not worth it.

Fifth, there are already rumors about this being a false flag operation of the Israelis, the British, the KSA or the US. Well, I sure can’t prove a negative, but I see no compelling reason to make such conclusions. First, this is really bad news for the Empire and, second, the Houthis have done similar actions many times in the past and there is no reason to suspect that they could not have done what they did. Still, it is also undeniable that any hike in oil prices benefits a lot of people (US shale, Russia, the KSA, etc.). Finally, there is always and by definition the risk of the Israelis and their Neocon allies pulling off some kind of false flag to finally trigger a US attack on Iran. All these are, however, only indirect arguments, at least so far. The fact that a false flag is possible does not mean it actually happened, let’s never forget that and never drop to premature or unfounded conclusions.

Sixth, let’s look at the targets themselves. We are talking about oil facilities, huge ones, which under the logic of US/NATO/Israel (aka the “Axis of Kindness”) is most definitely classified as “regime support infrastructure” or something similar. Furthermore, even under non Axis of Kindness logic, the laws of war allow strikes on infrastructures critical to the enemy’s military effort. So while TV stations, embassies or medical factories are NOT legal targets, critical oil facilities are. The ONLY stipulation is that the attacking side make an honest effort in selecting targets and munitions and try to avoid avoidable casualties. As far as I know, the Saudis have mentioned zero victims. Yes, that is unlikely, but that is how things stand for the time being. In this case, the Houthi strike was absolutely legitimate, especially considering the kind of genocidal devastation the Axis of Kindness and the KSA have unleashed against Yemen.

Lastly, I will venture a guess as to why the US and Saudi air defense were so useless: they probably never expected an attack from Yemen, at least not such a sophisticated one. Most of the US/KSA air defenses are deployed to defend against an attack from Iran, from the northern direction. The fact that this strike was so successful strongly suggest that it came from the south, from Yemen.

Conclusion: (Sept 18th, 1816Z)

I was about to conclude that according to RT, the Saudi Oil Minister has declared that the KSA “don’t know yet who is responsible” and that this was good news. Then I saw this: “Saudi Arabia accuses Iran of sponsoring oil-plant attack, says it ‘couldn’t have originated in Yemen“, also on RT. Not good. Not credible either.

For one thing, had it been Iran, the strike would have been far more massive and would have only been a part of a much bigger, full-scale, attack not only on Saudi oil facilities, but also on all crucial CENTCOM installations and forces. There is no way the Iranians would have opened major hostilities (and these strikes were definitely described by the Saudis as “major”) just to wait for a massive US/KSA/Israeli retaliation. The Iranians are most certainly not going to repeat Saddam Hussein’s crucial mistake and allow the US/CENTCOM/NATO/Israel/KSA the time needed to prepare for a massive attack on Iran. I am monitoring various “indicators and warnings” which would suggest that the US is up to no good, and so far I have noticed only one potentially worrying event: MSC Sealift and US transportation Command has ordered a no-notice turbo activation of between 23 to 25 ships from the 46 ship Ready Reserve Force (RRF have to be 5-day ready). This is an unprecedented number since 2003 and it could mean somebody just taking precautions or someone is getting twitchy. But the timing is usually September, but not in this number (more about this here). But please keep in mind that such indicators cannot be considered in isolation from other facts. Should there be more, I will do my best to report them on the blog.

The fact that US/KSA air defenses performed so miserably does not mean that the US is totally clueless about ‘whodunit’. There are a lot of other sensors and systems (including in space) which will detect a missile launch (especially a ballistic missile!) and there are some radar modes which allow for long-range detection but not necessarily capable of track-while-scan or of long-range engagements. Furthermore, you can also monitor data signals and general telemetry, and since the US has immense databases with the “signature” signals from all sorts of enemy hardware, they also probably could accurately assess which type of systems were used. Just in this case, just as in the case of MH-17, the Pentagon knows exactly ‘whodunit’. Ditto for the Russians who have a lot of SIGINT/FISINT in the Middle-East (and in space).

But in the last days of the Empire, facts don’t really matter. What matters is whatever is seen as politically expedient by the folks in the White House and in Israel. My biggest hope is that Trump finds out the truth about the strikes and that he has enough brains left to understand that should he strike Iran he will lose the election and will probably even be impeached to boot.

Let’s hope that his narcissistic instincts will save our long-suffering planet!

 
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  1. peterAUS says:

    …..MSC Sealift and US transportation Command has ordered a no-notice turbo activation of between 23 to 25 ships from the 46 ship Ready Reserve Force (RRF have to be 5-day ready). This is an unprecedented number since 2003 …..

    Yep……

    ….facts don’t really matter. What matters is whatever is seen as politically expedient….

    Yep….

    ….My biggest hope is that Trump finds out the truth about the strikes and that he has enough brains left to understand that should he strike Iran he will lose the election and will probably even be impeached to boot.

    Trump will be good as long as he delivers what The Tribe wants.

    • Replies: @sally
  2. Rational says:

    MAYBE ISRAEL ATTACKED SAUDI OIL FACILITIES.

    Interesting article, Saker. Iran does not have much to gain and risks being attacked with this silly drone attack on Saudi oil fields.

    It happened just as Bolton was fired. Maybe he told his Jewish masters to attack Saudi arabia, and blame Iran, to push Trump into war with Iran. So the drone attack was by Israel. Classic false flag.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Monty Ahwazi
  3. America is a bona fide psychotic Nation….

    • Agree: Moi
    • Replies: @Miggle
    , @Counterinsurgency
  4. Saker

    Please don’t insult the Sirens of Florida’s crystal clear rivers…The Manatees never hurt anyone…Manatees are incapable of being malevolent….

    Mike Pompeo is a FILTHY FUCKING COCKROACH…..

  5. There is, however, one restraining factor: if Trump ever strikes Iran he will become the “disposable President” for the Neocons: Iran will use the opportunity to strike Israel and Trump will be impeached for it (the Neocons are, after all, in total control of the DNC and many key committees in Congress).

    You give Trump far too much credit for being the master of his destiny. When the ziocons say “jump”, he asks “how high”? Whether he goes to war or not depends entirely on his zionist cabinet (congress, unconstitutionally, has no say whatsoever), not the least of which is his son-in-law. He is also in the thrall of Adelson and other jewish donors.

    But, I agree that if Trump attacks Iran, Israel will be a small hole in the ground. Iran may be destroyed as well. What happens to Trump as a consequence is quite uninteresting, except to Trump.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Tom Welsh
  6. Extremely sensible article as usual. I’m not jumping the gun on who did it but am categorically ruling out Iran. I f I had to guess I suspect the Houthis launched a drone attack and given the discrepancy in types and numbers reported by the KSA and Houthis the extra cruise missiles got added to the mix by “Israel” to ensure some serious results.

    Not impossible they used Iranian weapons somehow obtained by them but if so I’d expect we’d have heard far more confident assertions of Iranian guilt and boasting about their weapons being identified even if they had not yet been.

  7. The parties who stand to gain by this are myriad. As indicated all the other big oil producers get a raised oil price. Even Russia benefited and not less because their own air defensive systems loo better when the US ones fail. Definitely this will help Russian weapons sales. Those who want war with Iran got a boost of course but even Iran gets one by virtue of the implication that if they did this, how much worse can they do if pushed? There is a deterrent effect on the other side of the risk of confrontation.

    The Saker gives the reasons why Houthis seem very likely but the only other candidate which had the means to reliably get around the air defences would be Israel using its F35s or other hardware.

  8. Pontius says:

    Any significance to the Russian/North Korean fishing boat attack? 161 Norks held by Russia after ship crossed into Russian waters and fired on a Russian vessel. It has been an eventful week.

    If it weren’t for the horrible cost in lives I would almost wish the Russians and Iranians would let loose and tuck in everyone’s chin.

  9. macilrae says:

    the Houthis can strike anywhere inside the KSA with total impunity.

    If you look at the four ‘onions’, which are detailed in Image 2 of the above overview image, some interesting facts jump out:

    (1) The four 30 metre diameter steel vessels are each pierced with an approximately 1 metre diameter clean hole with no evidence of an internal explosion – pointing to quite large armour-piercing missiles designed to cause kinetic damage only.

    (2) The consistency of targeting is breathtaking – it is obvious that each missile was independently targeted on the dead centre of each vessel from an almost due westerly approach (i.e. from the Red Sea) impacting at an angle of around 45 degrees.

    Had the missiles been targeted manually, as has been suggested, the piercings would have been more haphazard.

    I am sure the westerly approach doesn’t exonerate Iran as the instigator; any more that it suggests that Israel might have done it (which hardly anybody dares to say even though they have far more to gain). If it was the Houthis you’d have to suppose they were provided with the sort of infrastructure needed to support an attack of this sophistication – particularly the guidance system which appears to have been pretty long range.

    For my money it was the Israelis.

    • Replies: @sally
    , @AnonFromTN
  10. Who fired the missiles?
    No matter who, it’s Iran.
    Justice a thistle,
    Cuz it’s rule of the strong man.

  11. The Petro-dollar deal was for protection and greased by bribery/lobbying. Fail again? A dance of two ruthlessly unfaithful partners . Without a Tactic of Tension for a focus abroad the Worthies become targets at home. Trump’s mob would prevent a real impeachment -for instance the unprovoked near-missile strikes on Syria which the borg loved _(and then boots on the ground!). When the music stops…

  12. @Cloak And Dagger

    There is a lot to dislike about Trump, but I think people don’t give him enough credit.
    Trump, the negotiator, understands posturing. Posturing is, at its essence, threats and coersion. Negotiators understand that the threat is always better than the event. The problem Trump faces, is that the structure he inherited on taking office, doesn’t understand posturing. It is more akin to the Jewish organized crime like the Purple Gang, Dutch Schultz, and Myer Lansky – an open threat followed by immediate violence.
    Trump’s “worst” violence, of his own doing, was the attack on Syria. What did he really do? He told them in advance, the target was of minimal military use, and he launched a crapload of old missiles that were due to be taken out of service, and many were shown as being useless. Other than that, he has resisted attacks on Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, and now Iran, all of whom understand posturing. Yes he has appointed a lot of neo-cons, but he lets them expose themselves as the rabid attack dogs they are, and doesn’t take all of the actions they want, then fires them. Because they become associated with Trump, they are immediately discredited.
    Take his “good friend” Bibi. Trump openly questioned whether he actually wanted peace. Trump moved the embassy and recognized the Golan Heights to “appease” Bibi, making Bibi more disliked in Israel, and Israel’s actions more criticized. Bibi has now announced that he plans to annex Gaza and the settlements. As Gilad Atzmon has noted, Lieberman is as crazy as Bibi, and European positions on Israeli actions are being more critical. Trump, by his actions, is actually waking the American public as to how much Israel controls the US Congress.
    Gabbard can tweet all she wants about Trump being Saudis bitch. Most people paying attention understand that King Faisal’s assassination in 1974, benefited Israel the most. His successors have become little more than an extension of Israeli policy. Her tweet implies that it is OK to be Israel’s bitch, but not Saudi’s bitch.
    I believe Trump knows instinctively that any war will be the end of a Presidential bid in 2020. By the way, he is correct in calling the Fed out as an enemy, but not necessarily for the reasons stated.
    Flawed ? Absolutely. But where would the US be if Killary won?

  13. macilrae says:

    Gabbard can tweet all she wants about Trump being Saudis bitch.

    You need to realize that, to have even the remotest chance, Tulsi cannot take on Israel as well – she has kept a low profile on this so far and would do well to maintain it. Nobody realizing the Saudi stranglehold could possibly not see Israel’s however.

  14. Apparently, you are one of those who still believe that Mr. Trump is playing 4D Chess. But even the greatest chess players eventually run out of pieces sometimes, and lose the game, which may be happening to Trump. Posturing (bullying) only works when the bullied party submits out of fear that it will be biggly punished. When the bullied party doesn’t back down, and no punishment occurs, then posturing/bullying makes the aggressor look ridiculous. Trump’s successful boardroom posturing is not working so well on the international stage any more.

    That is where Mr. Trump is today, I fear. Thru his excessive hubris, he is in a bind of his own making. Perhaps he should have done less posturing in the first place, and concentrated more on actual negotiating. After all, he is the world’s greatest negotiator. Just ask him.

  15. @Curmudgeon

    Flawed ? Absolutely. But where would the US be if Killary won?

    Actually, I agree with most of what you wrote, including the above.

    However,

    We have to stop using the above for giving Trump a free pass – it’s a choice foisted on us: Tweedledee or Tweedledum, name your poison.

    I supported Trump earlier based on his non-interventionist campaign, and like previous candidates, he has disappointed the very people who got him elected, while kowtowing to zionist forces.

    So how has he fared:

    1. He didn’t start any new wars yet, but he has exacerbated the current ones in terms of human lives, both in Yemen and in Syria, and he seems unable to extricate himself from all the existing hot spots.

    2. Withdrawing from the JCPOA with Iran was silly. He could have renegotiated the deal to improve the terms, which were mostly restrictive on Iran, with little or no cost to us. So, he threw the baby out with the bath water. The US lost international credibility with that move.

    4. He gave Netanyahu a carte blanche to continue to genocide the Palestinians. Countless lives lost without accountability. Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and accepting it as the capital of Israel, further eroded our credibility as an honest broker. All we got in return are more enemies in the ME.

    5. He continues to pander to Israel, even with the evidence of spying on the Whitehouse. There appears to be no depths that he is not willing to clamber down to in order to felate zionist donkey testicles. I suspect that this is the result of blackmail, since this is counter to his narcissistic nature.

    6. He has grabbed on to the “Iran is an existential threat to Israel” mantra, like there is no tomorrow. I will grant you that he hasn’t directly attacked Iran yet, and maybe verbal provocations are part of his “Art of the Deal” as you assert. But he keeps raising on a busted flush.

    Gabbard can tweet all she wants about Trump being Saudis bitch. Most people paying attention understand that King Faisal’s assassination in 1974, benefited Israel the most. His successors have become little more than an extension of Israeli policy. Her tweet implies that it is OK to be Israel’s bitch, but not Saudi’s bitch.

    Why be anybody’s bitch if you are the most powerful nation in the world? I like Tulsi’s position on wars of choice, but she isn’t flawless either. She hasn’t spoken out fiercely about Israel – which would end her campaign instantly, while earning my respect, but nobody else has either.

    After almost three years of Trump, it would be delusional to continue to support him, IMO. But perhaps, I am the idiot who doesn’t understand the 4D chess he is playing.

    • Agree: Alfa158
    • Replies: @anon
  16. HEREDOT says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Trump is a Zionist prisoner like the Democrats.Trump is just a self-centered sociopath.What trump forgot is that the Zionists are much more powerful and organized.

  17. bluedog says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The same place we are now for those seated in the oval office are on a very short leash,and that goes clear back to when Ike was in office and had an upcoming meeting with the head of Russia,he ordered all flights of the U2’s cancelled until after the meeting, but the CIA ordered another flight anyway, packed the plane with all kinds of spy material which haden’t been done before and that of course was the Powers flight which was brought down,thus the meeting was canceled.Bolton threw a wrench in the Trump Kim meeting so that would go no where,now Clinton would have done the same as Trump a huge tax break for the wealthy and crumbs for the working class which should tell people that that old line of bullshit is just that bullshit that there is no such thing as I voted for the less of the two evils for they are both evil, they are there for only one purpose and that’s window dressing to fool the rubes and the sad part is that it works every time.!!!.!!

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @Anonymous
  18. Miggle says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    America is a bona fide psychotic Nation…

    Is America bona fide anything? Good faith? Any treaty? Anything?

  19. Lastly, I will venture a guess as to why the US and Saudi air defense were so useless: they probably never expected an attack from Yemen, at least not such a sophisticated one.

    How about they had plenty of advance warning from intelligence, the air defences clearly saw it coming but just let it happen. Sort of like Pearl Harbour. Don’t they nowadays tell us the same about that event?

  20. ghali says:

    Sorry, lots of ifs and ifs. Iran has NO reason whatsoever to bomb Saudi Arabia. It was most likely the U.S. and/or the Zionist Israel (AngloZionist operation). The only beneficiaries from the war on Iran. In fact, the only beneficiaries from the two-decade U.S. war and terror in the Middle East.

  21. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    She [Tulsi] hasn’t spoken out fiercely about Israel – which would end her campaign instantly, while earning my respect, but nobody else has either.

    [Not quite fierce, but not quite nobody.] Hopefully (?) you didn’t mean to say you’d respect her for tanking her own campaign. Okay, “fierce” would be suicide, but she probably could afford to press the Overton Window a little bit … or is that only for Bernie b/c he’s a Jew? (And who knows about Mayor Pete.) How about she co-sponsors Betty McCollum’s bill, H.R.2407 – Promoting Human Rights for Palestinian Children Living Under Israeli Military Occupation Act.

    Democratic voters support cutting aid to Israel, so why have only two candidates even mentioned it?

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/09/democratic-candidates-mentioned/

  22. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    (the Neocons are, after all, in total control of the DNC and many key committees in Congress).

    Would that be the neocons of AIPAC? For that who is really in control of the Congress, the Treasury Dept, where an Israeli is running the Financial Terrorism office that is always slapping sanctions on those Israel wants to destroy and has an inside line to the WH.

    If you look closely at one of those tank pics, you’ll see four tanks that each have a pinprick hole in damn near the same spot. That itself is hard to believe that four different cruise missiles would hit the same spot on each tank, but what makes the “Let’s bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” story even more implausible is that the smallest Iranian cruise missile has around 290 pounds of HE. That much HE hitting an oil storage tank would leave a scorched mess of charred and twisted metal, not leave the entire tank still standing and easy to repair.

    But those neocons and their Zionist sayanim will not rest until we are bombing Iran, so these false flags will grow in size until Trump does respond, then good luck to all with the aftermath.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @By-tor
  23. @War for Blair Mountain

    America is a bona fide psychotic Nation….

    Not even close.

    Essentially, an alliance between cities and the area of settlement from New England, the same group that brought us the Civil War, has transformed the US from a farming/manufacturing country into an Imperial power that lives by tribute (borrowing/issuign money, but it comes to the same thing). This alliance has destroyed US productive activities (save farming, so far) and spent the money on importing foreigners to preserve its urban base, and, of course, on enriching itself.
    This was probably unavoidable after winning WW II and losing twice (Korea, Vietnam) with a draftee army. The national government switched from dependence on mass armies to dependence on professional / volunteers using equipment nobody else had.
    However, the alliance was (by its nature, which was political dominance and elimination of all domestic opposition) unable to invest capital productively. See this analysis [1] for a very recent case study. The alliance now doesn’t have the money to buy world-beating equipment, it is filling the US military with what amount to patronage hires (started under POTUS Obama), and it doesn’t even have the money to keep its cities usable. Not to mention that its alliance is fracturing internally along racial lines.

    So it’s losing everything and, since thinking originally was made taboo back in the AD 1930s (Stalinism), and has no idea of what to do — actually lacks the idea that it is possible to get a new idea. I’ll grant that the alliance is acting as if it has a psychotic break, but (given the above situation) it is acting rationally: put on a brave front, hold what you can, and lie like wall to wall carpeting to the folks back home so you can remain in power a bit longer. Happens every time — you can still read the Late Roman panegyrists (literally: everything-twisters) describe the latest Imperial catastrophe as a triumph of the Emperor and of Rome.

    Dismissing something easily explicable as fundamentally impossible to understand, as your “psychotic nation” claim, it — well, it’s an insult, useless as anything else.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://newrepublic.com/article/154944/boeing-737-max-investigation-indonesia-lion-air-ethiopian-airlines-managerial-revolution?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    • Replies: @George F. Held
  24. Tom Welsh says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    ‘When the ziocons say “jump”, he asks “how high”?’

    Small correction:

    ‘When the ziocons say “jump”, he asks “SIR, how high, SIR”?’

  25. The article confines itself to the Middle East, as it should.

    I would like to point out that a major war in the Middle East would mark a great reduction in US power and influence, even if the US side prevailed but lost significant equipment and personnel. That would fundamentally change geopolitics, and could result in:
    * cyber/small scale guerillia attacks on US cities.
    * A reduction in US ability to protect the sea lanes. China might well take over protection of its sea lanes on the East coast of India, for example, this being vital to China but not the US. That would significantly reduce US strategic influence, hence ability to borrow money, which could lead to reduced funding for urban areas that already have infrastructure at or near the end of its effective life.

    Of course, one never knows how wars will turn out. We are at 7;7 billion people [1], and the world is kept alive through global trade, which trade a Middle East war would be expected to greatly diminish. There is potential for a large cascade here.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

  26. Miro23 says:

    The fact that US/KSA air defenses performed so miserably does not mean that the US is totally clueless about ‘whodunit’. There are a lot of other sensors and systems (including in space) which will detect a missile launch (especially a ballistic missile!) and there are some radar modes which allow for long-range detection but not necessarily capable of track-while-scan or of long-range engagements. Furthermore, you can also monitor data signals and general telemetry, and since the US has immense databases with the “signature” signals from all sorts of enemy hardware, they also probably could accurately assess which type of systems were used.

    Some parts of the US military know, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Trump knows.

    For example, the US Deep State was involved in 9/11, but Bush didn’t have a clue what was going on.

    • Replies: @sarz
  27. Anonymous[701] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    Nixon was bothered that several hundred employees at the Pentagon had a working day that consisted mostly of reading foreign newspapers. He may also have thought there was fat that could be trimmed at the CIA and other intelligence services. I wonder if they got to him first?

    • Replies: @renfro
  28. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Will the exsoviet Polaks , Baltics rumanians , bulgarians, etc…. ruin the EU ? Why those countries have such a low collective IQ and such a big selfdestructive tendencies ?

  29. Realist says:

    Lastly, I will venture a guess as to why the US and Saudi air defense were so useless: they probably never expected an attack from Yemen, at least not such a sophisticated one. Most of the US/KSA air defenses are deployed to defend against an attack from Iran, from the northern direction. The fact that this strike was so successful strongly suggest that it came from the south, from Yemen.

    Likely the reason for the ineffectual performance was poor design and production. The US spends trillions on weaponry…not for function, but for profit to those that own the companies that produce them. Russia, China and Iran do not have that problem…their products work.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Republic
  30. Realist says:

    My biggest hope is that Trump finds out the truth about the strikes and that he has enough brains left to understand that should he strike Iran he will lose the election and will probably even be impeached to boot.

    Trump is part of the Deep State. If you think not explain his hires?

  31. onebornfree says: • Website

    The Saker says:“But in the last days of the Empire, facts don’t really matter.”

    “The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.” ~ Adolf Hitler

    Regards, onebornfree

  32. @Curmudgeon

    Along with others including Holo Wally,🙄Curmudgeon asks the following impractical & rhetorical question which always goes nowhere: “(Chosen One Trump) Flawed ? Absolutely. But where would the US be if Killary won?”

    Dear Curmudgeon,

    In my semi-humble opinion to your question above; Uh…, in PreZident Obama’s JCPOA and the Globalist delight, 🤑Trans Pacific Partnership?

    Haha. An unanswerable question. Where would scummy Jared Kushner and Sanctionista Steve Mnuchin be had Supremacist Jews allowed “Killary” to win?🙄

    Who the fuck knows, eh Curmudgeon, but no doubt, Israel shall always get their man/woman in D.C.’s Blue & White House.

    Haha. Presently, & fyi, Benji Gantz is spearheading a 2020 Zionist program to soften up Democrat Amerikan voters to love Israel’s insidious battle plan against our “Homeland” ever more. 😟

    Thanks, (Zigh).

  33. MLK says:

    There is nothing new under the sun.

    One means I use to assess any commentary/analysis is what historical analogues it brings to bear.

    The current situation is exceedingly dangerous because in my view it’s strikingly analogous to the outbreak of war in the Pacific in 1941. With Iran in the position of Imperial Japan, behind a US-driven sanctions rock and a hard place.

    Don’t let the oil mirror — Japan needed to import it; Iran needs to export it — confuse you, the dire challenge to both was/is effectively the same.

    Similarly, Iran is being goaded, and is goading itself, into viewing the US as fragile.

    Do what the US always does: declare victory and leave.

    That makes this sort of middle schooler bravado exceedingly dangerous.

    The salient (and sanguine) difference is that Iran will have no allies (including Russia and China) for launching the region into “all out war” to save it from negotiating with the POTUS over its regional expansion and troublemaking.

    Unless I miss my mark, the USG is going to take this to the UN Security Council. Iran is in a lose-lose position — playing defense — regardless of what is alleged and proved up (or not) about this attack on the Saudi oil facilities.

    Timing is never coincidental. This attack occurred in the context of an approaching UNGA Day and diplomatic efforts by France to give the Iranian government an excuse to climb out of the tree (and negotiate with the USG).

    While it’s ignored by most everyone, including this crowd, Iran has long explicitly said (and not unreasonably so) that if it can’t sell its oil others won’t be able to either. It ain’t talking about the US (or Russia)! It’s referring to the Saudis and others in the Gulf.

    Zarif revealed the other day that the $15B Line of Credit negotiations with France were in return for Iran returning to the terms of the JCPOA. The idea being to put nuclear back into its temporary status quo ante to provide the room for negotiations over regional issues (Yemen; Syria; Lebanon; Iraq).

    I call him an Israeli bitch whereas Gabbard calls him a Saudi bitch. Same difference!

    Wrong, on both counts. As I’ve mentioned before, weak USG leadership during the Obama years led Saudi Arabia to hedge its bets via Russia and China. The current real POTUS has told the Saudis what time it is on this. This was baldly evident in the Khashoggi set-piece as well as in the aftermath of this oil facilities attack.

    I wish I could say I wasn’t worried because none of the relevant parties, including Iran, want war. History teaches otherwise (see e.g. The (US) Civil War). However, as serious as this attack was, it is contained as a regional issue at the moment.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
    • Replies: @Stonehands
    , @anon
  34. There is another great danger here. Inhabitants of Saudi oil producing areas are mostly of Shi-ite persuasion.
    The fact that there were no casualties in the attack is very suspicious to me.
    Is there is possibility that they were notified about what is coming?
    Could be that service personal did call in sick in the morning?

  35. @Realist

    Hey Realist!

    Sometimes your opinions work,👍, for an example, “The US spends trillions on weaponry…not for function, but for profit to those that own the companies that produce them. Russia, China and Iran do not have that problem…their products work.”

    Fyi, linked below is confirmation that Iran has an independent Central Bank which endeavors to “work” apart from the tribe’s international banking cabal.👍! Thank you.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/09/21/606705/Iran-Zarif-US-Central-Bank-Trump-sanctions-JCPOA

    • Replies: @Alfred
  36. The most helpful pointer is to never allow Eastern European or Russian Zionists into your country. These Slavic Zionists are a cancer that should have stayed in their homelands.

  37. Oh, goody! When are Pakistan and India are going to nuke each other? No more Pakis, North Indians and to boot Afghanistan and Bangladesh gone too… finally, the Dravidian nation will be the sole occupiers of the Indian Subcontinent, albeit more than half of it gone to hell in a hand basket.

  38. sally says:
    @peterAUS

    Trump will be good as long as he delivers what The Tribe wants. @peterAus

    Why is there no inclusion or discussion about the opinions, wants and desires of the Americans the USA governs? You know those deplorables, the piss ants if you like, who have been forced to accept being in debt for the remainder of the lives, who are now living in the information collected and stored, propaganda enhanced, behavior regulated, feedback informed human control system. Each container (nation state) has installed one or more control systems.

    At each transition in activity the deplorables are required to authenticate (you know picture ID, ss#, finger print, iris id, and shoe size) so that the control machinery and its database does not take in bad data or miss a behavioral clue. Then after authentication every deplorable breath is recorded, every deplorable behavior is studied, and every deplorable pocket is picked, even empty pocket spending is enabled by increasing the debt of the deplorable beyond hopeless personal bankruptcy. The nice thing about debt is it does not require printing like script currency does, it just happens.

    The deplorables are ordered to wake up each morning, authenticate, log in, so their waking minutes can be tracked as the deplorable attempt to discover what organized crime did the night before. Could be the stock market was manipulated, nuclear weapons were used to down three buildings in NYC, or some one shot down yet another billion $ spy plane somewhere, or another couple hundred Palestinians were wiped out, or maybe at the Pentagon, another 12 billion or so came up missing. but with all of that, what does it matter what the deplorables think? Trump will be good as long as he delivers what The Tribe wants.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  39. Agent76 says:

    Sep 20, 2019 Inside Saudi Arabia’s attacked oil plants

    Sky’s Mark Stone visits the two Saudi oil production facilities which were hit by a fleet of drones and cruise missiles costing the world 5% of its oil production.

  40. Why is British Intelligence worried that Russia might have it but not that Jews/Israel have it? Besides, if Russia did get it, it had to have been through a Jewish Network.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  41. @War for Blair Mountain

    For once, WFBM, I agree with you… manatees are beautiful; he should be called a hippopotamus for they are aggressive in and out of water!

  42. I believe that the attack on the Saudi refinery was done by Israel, the Houthis do not have the capability and Iran would not do it, so Israel did it in collusion with the ZUS, to give the excuse to target Iran.

    The middle east will never be at peace as long as the zionists control America and they have controlled America since 1913 when they fastened their privately owned FED and IRS onto the American people aka a millstone around our necks, and so the zionists with their control of the ZUS and their greater Israel agenda are going to continue to destroy the middle east via AL CIADA aka ISIS and all off shoots thereof , until they get what they are after and that is Armageddon aka a nuclear war with Russia which is the satanic zionist goal.

    May God protect Russia for they are the hope of the Christian world.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  43. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    Qui bono? Surely not Iran. The rashness and boldness of it virtually rules out Iran and smacks of Israel’s signature false flags such as the USS Liberty and 9/11.

  44. Alfred says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Iran has an independent Central Bank

    The Iranian Rial was 80 to the USD when I lived there in ’78. Now, it is 42,000. It is down to 1/500 of what it was worth. Of course, the USD is also worth a bundle less.

    What I am trying to say is that they messed up their economy by themselves. Unlike Russia, they did not diversify or substitute to any great extent. The way of getting wealthy did not change from the time of the Shah – property speculation. Of course, banks in that environment only lend to their friends the money of the poor.

  45. Truth3 says:

    Just because Faker-Saker is too stupid to realize that the attack on Saudi Oil Installations was a False Flag by the Israelis doesn’t mean we are that stupid.

    Really Ron, dump this clown.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  46. Art says:

    Here is the most important and consequential news of the week!

    Egypt: Protests and clashes enter second day

    Egypt has seen a second night of clashes and dozens of arrests in rare demonstrations against President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi.

    About 200 demonstrators took to the streets in the port city of Suez demanding his resignation.
    Dozens were reportedly arrested and police responded with tear gas.

    The protests – which also took place in Tahrir Square in Cairo on Friday – are in response to corruption allegations against President Sisi’s government.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49786367

    What is going to happen if Israel’s southern flank turns hostile? It will be surrounded by hate (there is no love in Jorden).

    Hmm – has the Arab world finally had enough of the Jews? They are looking very vulnerable. What outrage could trigger an all-out war against Israel? Think of all the firepower arrayed against it. How many $1000 drones can Israel destroy before it is exhausted?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm (Western hope & thoughts) — Art

  47. A rather good analysis by The Saker as usual.

    The only area I would disagree with him on is his reticence regarding his complaints for those comparing the F-35 and the Su35 Russian fighter with the required data support components.

    First and foremost, it is well known in the serious military analytical community that the F-35 is a complete dog given that its air-frame design concept was already a known failure when the design concept of this plane was even being proposed. All of the recent test reports on this aircraft have demonstrated these air-frame failures along with the many other issues that the plane has from its software to even its ordnance load-out capabilities.

    The US is now also well known for developing weapon systems to enrich the pockets of all who feed off the warfare agendas of the US and not the quality and the concern for the US service members who actually have to use such junk. This is relevant to just about every weapon system that the US has in the field and those that are still in development.

    Witness the complete failure of the US Patriot systems to intercept a single drone attack from Yemen. And this has nothing to do with the fact that these systems were pointed north towards Iran but that it is now known that they have great difficulty in tracking such small vehicles as a drone.

    Further such systems are mobile! As a result, the can target any direction with ease. It is the programming of the missile technologies that may require a great deal of effort.

    In one military report, it was noted that the Houthis first targeted these Patriot systems before sending in a second wave of drones to attack their actual targets. As a result, it is highly likely that they received inside intelligence from within the KSA as one report has already speculated on given that the monarchy is not all that popular with the general citizenry or Iran did in fact provide targeting intelligence to the Houthi batteries.

    Finally, it is very easy to destroy such facilities as highly flammable oil refineries with very small explosives, making the Houthi drones a very suitable weapon for such work.

    In a high end aerial combat simulation I fly in with people from all around the world, destroying similar facilities with the smallest of ordnance tends to be very easy. It is the hardened structures that are more difficult such as tanks and embedded positions, a trait the Sauid oil refineries obviously did not posses.

    Anyone who is interested can see this for themselves in one of the very sophisticated aerial combat simulations now available commercially.

    As a result, the Houthis would be completely capable of destroying such facilities with a minimum of effort and using sophisticated drone technology…

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  48. Republic says:
    @Realist

    they probably never expected an attack from Yemen

    ,

    Much like the British in Singapore in 1941 never expected an attack from the Malay Peninsula, but instead had all their guns facing seaward

    • Replies: @Realist
  49. sally says:
    @macilrae

    MBS <= oil to technology Vision 2030 costly,=dynastic family rule incompatible w/technology savvy middle class <= abusive human rights + no rule of law) capital and expats leaving <=no IPO (8.27.2019) b/c c/n disclose.

    could it have been the Saudis.. they certainly had the access to the necessary technology? The Saudis needed to shut down their IPO and change the direction of their nation, as even the paper market crooks were not going to let the Aramco IPO happen unless Saudi full disclosures its financial positions and activities which the Saudi c/n give that full disclosure… Could be the Saudis needed a way to save face .. I have wonder why Netanyohu visited MBS in June, maybe that trip has been explained..because now the Saudis will most likely be required to use the Israeli oil infra structure (processing plant and refinery) at Haifa, Israel.. funny how the Haifa facilities were just expanded? Another option is the west may be planning to take over Saudi Arabia very soon, and they did not want any more oil to be produced until full control of the oil and the money to be made from the oil in the area were in the hands of the West. Another point someone made was the wells local to the plants were operating at a loss and had been for some time. Read (recent review, see link). My mostly likely candidate is the Houthi did it and they do have the technology to do this; they h\b increasingly advancing their ability to destroy Saudi Infrastructure since last year.. The Houthi executed with precision a strategic blow to MBS, (Saudi killed the Brother of the leader of the Houthi's movement a few weeks back, might have been pay back). If I were Oman I would be getting out of dodge, as I see the Houthi coming at them with full revenge in mind.. and the other Persian Gulf States (Kuwait, Barian, Qatar, and UAB all of whom have been in Yemen trying to blockade Yemen, bombing its infra structure and starving out the people there, and trying to force the Yemen to reinstall the Saudi Puppet who the Yemeni threw out a few years back <= I don't think Saudi can continue their war in Yemen.
    All in all, I see Saudi Arabia as a nation in distress.. What concerns me is the USA has long depended on the money coming from Saudia Arabia to keep things going at financial USA.. it that stops, the hit did not just eliminate Saudia Arabia, it disabled the entire Military Industrial Complex in France, England, Israel and the USA With Russian and now Houthi technology equivalent or better to USA capabilities MIC is going to find it difficult to strike back. American voters may finally get a say about how the USA is run.

  50. @Anonymous Snanonymous

    I believe that the entymological classification is the right one….

    On can say with a high degree of scientific certainty that Mike P0mpeo and John Bolton are a cockroach breeding pair……as are Bill and Hillary Clint0n……successfull mass spawning of these two cockroach breeding pairs, of course, requires the thermonuclear MASS EXTERMINATION of the Human Species…..which will usher in the trillion year rule of the BLATARIA Species…….Out of concrete bunkers the two cockroach breeding pairs emerge…nostrils flaired to take in the aroma of billions of rotting human corpses………The aroma of rotting human corpses their signal to start breeding…..

    This is what WE are up against….and it is quite horrifying……

  51. Personally I think the damage to oil refineries was minimal. If Iran would have attacked these refineries the damage would have been much greater. (((Somebody))) is pushing Trumps buttons, trying to get him to attack Iran. Some even feel it was Saudi Arabia who carried out the attack.
    https://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2019/09/saudi-oil-refinery-attacks-have-i-been.html

  52. Alfa158 says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    Autonomous drones are one of the weapons of the future. Most current anti-air defense systems like Patriot are designed to bring down much smaller numbers of much larger missiles. The only thing that might protect facilities like oil refineries from small drone attacks are the naval Gatling gun systems such as the US Phalanx or the Russian version (don’t remember the name of theirs).
    Even with those you have problems that preclude their effective use. A big one, is simply collateral damage. These weapons firehose a stream of 20 (US) or 23 (Russia) millimeter shells. At sea no one cares where all the misses land. Infrastructure like refineries are usually surrounded by developed civilian areas like cities or at a minimum, worker housing and support companies. Using such defensive systems would entail showering the locals even miles away with hundreds or thousands of stray small cannon rounds.
    Additionally they are not designed to engage dozens of small targets, and if nothing else would quickly expend their ready ammunition loads.
    Any real defense would likely involve development of completely new systems like lasers, or swarms of robotic counter drones that can engage and intercept incoming attacking drones.
    Good luck.

  53. @Priss Factor

    Why is British Intelligence worried that Russia might have it but not that Jews/Israel have it? Besides, if Russia did get it, it had to have been through a Jewish Network.

    MI6 is reportedly concerned that Russia has evidence which could link Prince Andrew to theJeffrey Epstein sexual abuse scandal.
    Spy chiefs are said to be worried that a former Florida deputy sheriff, who had access to the investigation into Epstein, has provided sensitive information about the case to Russian intelligence officials.
    A source told The Times that John Mark Dougan, a former deputy in the Palm Beach County sheriff’s office, has made contact with the Russian government since moving to Moscow.
    Dougan was part of the original investigation into Epstein after a Palm Beach woman Dougan was part of the original investigation into Epstein after a Palm Beach woman claimed back in 2005 that the billionaire had paid her 14-year-old stepdaughter $300 to strip to her underwear and perform an “erotic massage”.Dougan said on Facebook in July that he had spoken to investigators about the case when it was reopened and still has confidential documents no-one else has seen.
    The former office himself said the information would be “incredibly valuable” for any intelligence agency and might give “leverage” over “a guy like Prince Andrew”.
    “His knowledge of the Epstein case would have been of great interest to Russian intelligence,” the source said.

    Yahoo News

    I think this is the answer to your question. This bod, John Mark Dougan, may have info that the CIA/Mossad does not have and he has moved to Moscow. (!)

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  54. By-tor says:
    @Greg Bacon

    The photos are from the corrupt Saudis and or the US and both are known liars. The damage would need to be verified by a third party for me to believe the pictures the Saudis presented.

  55. peterAUS says:
    @sally

    …Why is there no inclusion or discussion about the opinions, wants and desires of the Americans the USA governs? You know those deplorables, the piss ants if you like…

    Because they do not matter.

    This game is for very smart people.
    Deplorables are dumb. The Tribe is smart.

    Look at us who, sort of, are interested in the game. Trying, at least, to think about it. You see any practical solution on “our” side? I don’t. Lots of blathering but that’s it.
    The Tribe has it all. They don’t blather. They have vision, plan and methodology how to get it executed (pun intended).
    And deplorables don’t even think about it.

    So…here we are.

    BTW, nobody so far, understandably, mentioned how come that sanctions hurt so much?
    How come when The Falling Apart Empire puts just an economic squeeze a country gets into dire straits? What happened to BRICS/whatever. Border with Russia for fuck’s sake……

    Yeah…falling empire….sure…..Multipolar world. Where is that other “polar” to neutralize sanctions?
    Blah…blah….

    The regime in Tehran will go down one way or another. If that needs tactical nukes it will happen. And nobody will do anything about it. Save blathering around.

    • Replies: @frankie p
  56. @Alfred

    Courteously and with apparent experience, Alfred shared: “What I am trying to say is that they messed up their economy by themselves.”

    Fyi, linked below, am sure you saw how The Chosen & Un-Diversified One, tRump, announced sanctions on Iran Central Bank.

    From the “messed up” Scranton Bat Cave, haha, thanks, Alfred!

    • Replies: @mcohen
  57. @foolisholdman

    This bod, John Mark Dougan, may have info that the CIA/Mossad does not have and he has moved to Moscow. (!)

    Good for him. No doubt he moved to stay alive.

  58. melpol says:

    Going into isolation is wise for the US, since there are too many international problems to handle. But the US has too many undesirables within its borders to support. Isolation is possible if 50 million undesirables are deported to Central America. Fortress USA has enough cash to last it for 100 years.

  59. zogborg says:

    I laugh at all the cuckservative white Americans focusing their hate on foreigners and foreign countries while proudly bending over and taking it up the ass from ((them)) and domestic niggers.

  60. SafeNow says:

    Toward the end of yesterday’s Ohio State / Miami (Ohio) game, with Ohio State leading 76 to 5 and the weather conditions bad, the coaches called “Enough!” and everyone went home. So, there is now Football Precedent (!!) for the U.S., in its Middle East game, to simply say “Enough!” and go home.

  61. Pompasseo consolidates power,
    Readies drones and minions for Iran fest.
    Fuel up F-16s while Saudis cower,
    More ‘Murkans to die for neocon quest.

  62. DCBillS says:

    What attack? No injuries, surgical (easily repaired) holes in tanks, some obsolete equipment burned. No radar tracks of “drones.” The videos show no AA fire. It was a false flag faked attack.

  63. onebornfree says: • Website

    “…The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent……..”

    “….War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist……”: [emphasis mine]

    From: 1984 [THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM] by George Orwell

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  64. zogborg says:

    I look forward to a nuclear war. This globalist nightmare is so dystopian George Orwell would probably go on a shooting rampage if he were living in the “West” in 2019. Most “people” on the planet are absolute scum anyway, cowardly bootlicking faggots who worship all the wrong things and like fucking with people who are weaker than them while toadying up to those who are actually screwing them over.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  65. Realist says:
    @Republic

    That is not my quote.

    • Replies: @Republic
  66. frankie p says:
    @peterAUS

    “This game is for very smart people.
    Deplorables are dumb. The Tribe is smart.

    Look at us who, sort of, are interested in the game. Trying, at least, to think about it. You see any practical solution on “our” side? I don’t. Lots of blathering but that’s it.
    The Tribe has it all. They don’t blather. They have vision, plan and methodology how to get it executed (pun intended).
    And deplorables don’t even think about it.

    So…here we are.”

    You speak as if it’s a brave new world, and the phenomenon you describe is new. It’s not.

    The tribe is smart, and the tribe has always been smart. Additionally, the tribe is arrogant, oppressive, and predatory in the host culture it settles in. Does this sound familiar? Yes, it does. The tribe sees itself as smarter and smarter, as its arrogance, oppression and predatory games increase, until one day, the blinders come off the deplorables, and then, what is the result? Look at history, man.

    The regime in Iran is going nowhere. Any action by the US or Israel only cement its power and support from its people. Any attack will be met with a disproportionate response (nukes, are you out of your mind?), from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Lebanon.

    Playing with fire.

    • Replies: @Herald
  67. sally says:

    Frankie p @69.. you are showing your age, its not playing with fire any more; instead its tossing lighted nukes around, the fun they tell me, is watching the neutron disappear..

    Only humans are stupid enough to elect persons capable to pit one group of armed humans against another group of armed humans. This kind of activity is anti-social and could get somebody really hurt.

  68. @Truth3

    There are wide ranging viewpoints on offer at The Unz Review so why not just be grateful for that? If you don’t like what The Saker writes then a practical solution would be for you to not read his articles. It would appear that your confirmation bias compels you to only read articles that you agree with and that you choosing to use Truth in your username is just there for amusement value.

    Asking Ron Unz to drop or censor a contributor because you don’t agree with what they write would suggest that you’ve missed the point of this website and why he created and maintains it.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  69. TX says:

    Attacks on Iranian interest in Iraq-

    Israel took credit.

    Rewind to Osirik.

    Israel could not have flown F35s or any other known combat aircraft across the contested airspace that is Syria. Likely Jordan would not have agreed to be a transit either because they have warmongers on all borders and need to stay plausibly neutral. F35s regardless have only forward-aspect stealth. You might not see them coming (actually stealth or LO aircraft have been trackable for some time, but targeting solutions are difficult) but they would have no stealth and would be able to see and hit them going.

    That leaves Saudi Arabia. F35 ranges are insufficient to hit Iraq without midair refueling. Israel has no known seaborne capability to have done it from the Gulf. The notion of flying into Iraq with F35s over Saudi Arabia with in flight refueling is perilous. Risky and dangerous compared to other options.

    This rules out the F35. It rules in kamikazee UAVs like they’ve hit Syria with. Short range stuff.

    Where was that launched from? If you ponder it for a moment there’s only one real option- Saudi Arabia.

    The Iranians retaliated here. From Yemen. Same type of materiel.

    This was a statement attack. Both to Israel and to KSA. KSA hasn’t really been that loud because they KNOW they’ve been in bed with the jews and that Israel struck Iranians from a UAV base in KSA. Maybe CENTCOM’s real estate, who knows, but an attack of this kind- out of nowhere, invisible, and things blow up is the signature of small, slow, low flying kamikazee UAVs.

    Iraq’s military radars saw nothing of the Israeli attack. It happened to Iranian targets seemingly without warning. Likewise this attack on Abqaiq. Same attack profile. “we have them too.”

    The Saudis are now on notice that they will be held responsible for Israel’s aggression from their real estate.

    The brouhaha about Hezbollah in Lebanon is over this very same capability. Nobody right now has a good answer for these drones- both Russia and the USA are scrambling. Pantsir was ineffective against them, even compared to TOR and older systems as the radars didn’t envision low slow small drones. They’re hard to detect, hard to shoot, don’t give off much of a doppler return at those speeds and are nap of the earth (GPS and terrain mapping).

  70. @macilrae

    I am no expert on weapons, but here are my two cents.

    Successful attack on KSA has only two possible explanations:
    1. It were Houthis. Then the attack shows that American hardware is total crap. The lies and massive thievery of US MIC manufacturers would be exposed in this case.
    2. It were Israelis. This explains why American defenses did not target “friendly” hardware even if the defenses themselves are functional. That would be a false flag, and the price of pretending to accept that it wasn’t is very bad rap for the US military hardware. MIC thieves would be furious to be blamed for something they aren’t even guilty of.

    Quite naturally, the US will blame Iran, even though it’s the least likely perpetrator (I’d say the only less likely perpetrators are Martians). Everybody with half-a-brain already knows that every US official story is a lie, so that’s not even interesting. But both real possibilities are intriguing.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @macilrae
  71. Truth3 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Sorry Clown… but the so called Saker is a gatekeeping faking sensationalist with nothing better to do than obfuscate… a la Eric Zeusse and others. Asking Ron Unz to drop him is simply good advice.

    Your handle describes you pretty well I bet. Mine does for me too. Glad you noticed. Maybe you’ll learn something.

  72. Republic says:
    @Realist

    sorry for the mistake

    • Replies: @Realist
  73. @Rational

    Agreed. Rockets came from the North according Trump’s double, Pimpeo! North is a pretty large region where in Israel is also located. Israelis dirty hands are involved in this controlled attack. No casualties accounted for and according SA oil minister “the damages can be fixed in 30 days”. My ass! Evil people do whole a lot before every election!

  74. @Alfred

    Data correction! Currency before 1979 was 70 to a $ and now is 120,000 to a $! Many thanks for the harsh, illegal and imposed US sanctions for the past 40 years! Now the people on street can not afford to purchase anything that’s available and or NOT available like needed medications. My guess is that the US has done a good job by converting over 80 million friends to enemies for itself!

  75. Herald says:
    @frankie p

    “Playing with fire” indeed and always a likely way to get very badly burned.

    Peter always mixes a measure of truth in his missives, though here his over gushing admiration for the tribe comes through just too strongly to be seen as simply just a warning. Clearly the admiration now morphed into something much stronger.

  76. JaKo says:

    Well, it seems that nobody (not even Mr. Saker) brought up this interesting (and likely) twist:
    There are enough unhappy Yemeni/other Shia inhabitants of the eastern KSA, who would be willing and capable (they may be the operators of the refineries and the near-by oil-wells) of cooperating with whomever launched the attacks. IOW, the Yemeni didn’t need any sophisticated navigation, all they needed was terminal direction done locally…

  77. renfro says:
    @Anonymous

    Pentagon had a working day that consisted mostly of reading foreign newspapers.

    Intelligence agencies do have analyst that do nothing but read news from around the world.
    They collect and compare statements and note events in both political and business news….its compared with private intelligence agents reports ….and in this modern age it is also useful in raising questions about certain areas or countries where intel may want to review US satellite images for signs, confirmation or discrediting of news stories.

    Its not that different from a investigative reporter following all kinds of threads in a investigation story except its on a world wide scale.

    Which brings up what Saker said;

    Just in this case, just as in the case of MH-17, the Pentagon knows exactly ‘whodunit’

    A month ago it was reported that the US had satellite images of missiles being loaded in Iran.
    If the missiles in the Saudi attack had come from Iran the US satellites would have captured that also.
    BUT….you are not being shown US satellite pictures.
    The images like the one above come from a company contracted to NSA….they specialize in enhancing images for clearer pictures. And all we are seeing is pictures of the oil facilities and some where experts are drawing yellow lines across the image trying to ‘guess’ where the drones or missiles came from according to the ‘pattern ‘ of the hits and possible trajectory .

    The US knows damn well here they came from and its not Iran, if it were they would be showing us the ‘actual ‘ satellite images of Iran with missiles being launched at the time of the Saudi attack.

    As usual they treat the public as if we are stupid…and some are…put out some images, get people engrossed in pictures that really show us nothing and keep repeating Iran did it.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @anon
    , @tac
  78. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Correct and well said.

  79. tac says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Disagree. Your hypothesis is lacking in may respects; one of the most poignant is that of Trump’s unconditional support for the apartheid state of Israel. He has bent over backwards–ostensibly because his grandchildren are now Jewish-for this criminal enterprise, and when one examines the proof of such claims, one is immediately confronted with Trump’s betrayal to just about all of his pledges, much like a conman indeed (for all of you who simply cannot see the emerging caste of his [Trump’s] team of portraying his image as some sort of savoir to the [White] Americans through his use of calculating, soft-whistle proclamations in order to appease the less weary. Truth be told, Trump is a Traitor much akin to his predecessors. He, just like every single ‘Western’ leader who has sold out his citizens for 30 pieces of silver shekels, is a self-exuberant narcissist!

  80. @zogborg

    How will your children fare after a nuclear war?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @zogborg
  81. tac says:
    @renfro

    The most simple examination of the satellite data shows–when one adjusts for true North–that the entrance holes were directed from the West. Not North, East nor South! Funny that KSA does not monitor those threats! Yes, drones can rearrange their positions of attack, but we should wait until the true cost and repairs have been made public (don’t hold your breath) before coming to a substantive conclusion in the matter.

    There are may inconsistencies to make this occurrence a questionable event to be examined by evidence at hand — before being shipped of to China!

  82. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Incels don’t have children.

    • Replies: @zogborg
  83. sally says:

    You mean the USA knows damn well where the missiles came from, but I can assure you not one Google cruising, face book posting, voting American has a clue..

    One of the biggest problems facing deplorables is how to defake fake ..how to find the truth in lies, how to discover the missing information in news, how to circumvent the media masks and container filters in order to discover and sort the information that can lead to the truth.

    How can fake and engineered propaganda be made transparent to the truth; that is, how can deplorables discover the truth after being lied to.. by the government, the leaders in government, the courts, the prosecutors, the state governors, the county boards, the city managers, the teachers, the international, national, regional, and local news and how can the deplorables circumvent containerization .. ?

    What is containerization..? Each nation state is a human container. Those who control the information content of the container control all the experiences available to the humans trapped there <-means only information the powers-to-be want you to know about or to be able to find out about is available to your container. You can dig and dig, but information is known to those in other containers is not available to you in your container. The world could be on fire, but it those who design and allow information into your container do not want you to know about the fire, no amount of effort on your part would allow you to find out about it, because no information about the fire is available to those in your container. Availability of Information is container specific.

    The amount and type of information allowed to be experienced by those humans trapped in one of the nation state containers is engineered. tailored, and made available for display within that particular container. Think of it in formula fashion: the total Information in the world is let us say Y.. assume there are 206 nation states.
    plus the International community, the intelligence community, and multinational corporate & NGO communities. So in our example there are 210 human containers as follows. so the sum of all information regulated human experience containers would contain all available information in the world, but probably none of the containers would have available all of the world's information.
    Y(all information) = sum of info in (Intl, Intelligence, multinational corporate-NGO +206 nation states)
    as you can easily see, there are 210 ways to manipulate who sees what and by manipulating who sees what there are 210 products of that manipulation.

    Information allowed within each controlled human container is selected and limited in scope, both vertically and horizontally, by those in charge of regulating the information for human container in which you are allowed to be. Certain information is promoted (repeated many times) and most information is filtered out. So a person in container 1 might not see the same information as a person in container 29 and so on.

    Now we get to engineering the information available in a regulated information human container. As you can see, filtering facts, information, distorting facts and information, and generally manipulating what one sees is a function of the regulator of information, for the particular container in which that person is trapped.

    IMO, deplorables (in America, France, England, Scotland, Syria, Yemen, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. ) need to develop a common language ( based on content and information control in regulated human containers). Something that can globally unify the dialog and unify the understanding of the plight of the deplorables.. some way is needed to enhance deplorable knowledge and to develop a common situatinal understanding. Merging the information available in each separate container with information from other regulated containers would enhance the available information to all persons in all information merged containers.

    In response to frankie p says:September 22, 2019 at 9:55 pm GMT • 200 Words @peterAUS
    i think there is a practicable direction the deplorables, similarly situated where ever in the world, can collectively take to defend themselves. As you point out, it takes those of us who are trying to figure this stuff out, to develop ideas into practical packages. The deplorables ended the viet nam war just as soon as they understood it.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  84. zogborg says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Not married. Being born an Asian male in this country gives me an extremely cynical outlook on society and life, I see through everyone’s bullshit. Neither part of the white majority nor a member of Jew-approved minorities who get coddled throughout their lives with affirmative action and freebies despite not deserving anything. Treated worse than everyone else just because Asian men are chosen to be the “untouchables” of American society. Have no desire to go back to Asia because I can’t stand insect-like conformity. America would be better off treating Asian men with dignity instead of constantly propping up illiterate pavement apes who do nothing but breed the next generation of criminals.

  85. zogborg says:
    @anon

    Haha another normie who feels he has the authority to answer on behalf of other people. Go mind your own business anonymous pussy.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  86. @zogborg

    And you would be better off not wallowing in self-pity but instead seeing that being born in the USA, imperfect as it is, has given you opportunities that many Asian men have not had and would love to have had. Buck up Sunshine, life is short so make the most of it!

    • Replies: @zogborg
  87. Realist says:
    @Republic

    No problem. Usually the comments in the block/box are quotes the commeter is referring to.

  88. zogborg says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Funny thing is I don’t even look like the stereotypical Asian dude. If my skin tone was slightly lighter or darker, I could pass for a mestizo or an ethnic person. Its mainly my yellowish skin tone that gives me away as Asian. Been lifting weights for several years now and I notice I get salty/jealous looks from white and black dudes who are not as built, not to mention passive aggressive shit from waiters, store clerks etc. Shit like this really reminds me Western society wants Asian males to look like effeminate losers so all non-Asians can feel better about themselves and have somebody to mock and shit on.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  89. sarz says:
    @Miro23

    … the US Deep State was involved in 9/11, but Bush didn’t have a clue what was going on.

    Of course he knew. It was not his show, but he played his part.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  90. Moi says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    That is an insult to roaches. Pompeo is less than poop!

  91. @zogborg

    By not married I take it you mean that you have no children. Still not sure how you could even semi-seriously wish for a nuclear war, but the lack of little ones may help to partly explain it. Sad.

    My wife is Asian, and an immigrant, but not a bitter, ungrateful, disloyal, whiny-ass one.

    I don’t view Asian men as untouchables, nor does anyone I know, though many of us are not fond of mass Indian immigration here, if we are counting those folks as Asians.

    It would seem that anyone, of any race, in the USA, who is being honest with himself and others, knows that the truly deplorable group here — which makes our lives a constant insult and hassle and risk, and sometimes a deadly Hell — is not Asian men but Africans.

  92. @zogborg

    So the guy with no wife and children calls the other guy a pussy. Okay.

  93. @zogborg

    We’re all going to chip in and buy you a big screen for your projection.

    I don’t dislike Asian males generally, and wouldn’t dislike one for being muscular and lifting weights (as I used to). Others may harbor such resentments, but I haven’t heard or seen it yet.

    Perhaps many musclebound Asian guys, like many musclebound white guys, put on too much of a grunty, not-too-friendly attitude to be “tough”, I don’t know. That’s not a matter of race but of character and personality, and most guys grow out of it in time even if they keep seriously lifting.

    • Replies: @zogborg
  94. zogborg says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Am I mistaken in thinking that the average white American simply does not accept Asian males as a normal part of American society? Even conservative whites are too PC to call out bad behavior by blacks, but have no problem talking racist shit about Asian males. Hell if you turn on the TV, the only group of people that its acceptable to insult racially are Asian males, while blacks and jews are supposedly divine gods that we cant say shit about.

  95. peterAUS says:
    @sally

    ….it takes those of us who are trying to figure this stuff out, to develop ideas into practical packages.

    Yep.

    Not much luck so far looks like it. “We” are still in the “blabbing” phase. It will take a BIT more of the everyday real-life hardship to start motivating smart people enough.
    My take: 3 years from now, at the earliest.

    Hehe…true, a hard conflict in M.E. could do it much sooner. Draft thing for example and similar unpleasantries re that

    The deplorables ended the viet nam war just as soon as they understood it.

    Nope. The white middle class ended it when they realized they could get themselves killed or mutilated. You’ve noticed that since the introduction of professional force (some other man skin in the game) no problem. Deplorables didn’t figure out anything then. They..hehe..actually, represent the bulk of US armed forces as we speak.
    Not counting on it, though. Hard conflict creating enough unpleasantries for the middle class to do something.
    I can envisage hard enough to motivate even more “deporables’ to join and “support the troops”.

  96. jason23 says:

    Sept 23, 2019 – The official US response to the recent missile attack on a KSA oil refinery is to send more US troops to the KSA for “air defense and delivery of weapons”.

    But it looks more like this: To cover up the fact that even the best US multi-billion dollar anti-missile systems cannot protect the KSA against Houthi drones/missiles the US is trying to discourage further attacks by using its’ troops as human shields.

    If a future attack injures or kills any of these troops, who will most likely be stationed at strategic KSA locations (near oil refineries), it will provide the US with an excuse to attack Iran.

    Of course this is speculation. But considering the situation I think it is possible.

  97. Alden says:
    @zogborg

    We should have a vote. Pavement apes or obsolete farm equipment pronounced ofeee?

  98. anon[997] • Disclaimer says:

    America went to war to relive KSA of any military presence or base – main anger or one of the main angers of Bin Kaden , according to neocon 2003

    There are other reasons offered by neocons included that their mothers were not only horny but enjoyed pornography of violence inflicted from the sky .

    War has made Iran more powerful . American soldiers are needed in KSS – according to neocon 2019 .

    Other things that Americans have forgot or never connected or pondered was the promise of the neocon that Shia of Iraq will enjoy the freedom and liberation . This will inspire Iranian Shia to demonstrate and fight for freedom .

    Now neocons want the pain and suffering not joy of liberation to force the change .

    Neocons are angry that liberation didn’t educate and inspire Iranian
    Neoconservative are angry America didn’t pursue the war to Iran
    Neocons are angry that pain and suffering are not making the Iranian march .
    Neoconservative are angry that pain and suffering are making Palestinian march for BDS .

    Hey neocons , have you heard of suicide as a means to escape from justice ?

    When justice comes to yourvtribe , the member might have to share the rope.

  99. anon[997] • Disclaimer says:

    “A United States Army soldier was criminally charged Monday after allegedly talking about bombing a major American news network, attacking leftist groups and traveling to Ukraine to fight with a far-right paramilitary group.”
    CNBC

    Can Bolton be arrested for mouthing similar threats to a lot of countries ?
    What about McCain ? Or Norman Podihoretz ? Can they be dug out of graves and be forced to face justice ?
    They travelled a lot to get people join them or agree with them .

    • Replies: @anon
  100. Miro23 says:
    @sarz

    … the US Deep State was involved in 9/11, but Bush didn’t have a clue what was going on.

    Of course he knew. It was not his show, but he played his part.

    In a general way, Bush was warned that Muslim terrorists were targeting the US and that the US was in danger of terrorist attacks (i.e. he was being primed to respond) – but that’s completely different from directly participating in the deception.

    Bush wasn’t part of the select group of planners who worked out how to access the buildings, plant the explosives, co-ordinate the aircraft hijacks and orchestrate the media response. He was down in Florida on the morning of 9/11 but he wasn’t aware of the “Muslim terrorist” pilots and their red carpet treatment on CIA airfields, their fast tracked paperwork, FBI warnings to the local police to keep away, or the later FBI visits/warnings to everyone who had contact with them.

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Anonymous
    , @Bill Jones
  101. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Can Bolton be arrested for mouthing similar threats to a lot of countries ?

    What about McCain ? Or Norman Podihoretz ? Can they be dug out of graves and be forced to face justice ?

    They travelled a lot to get people join them or agree with them .

    Great points. One could only hope. Let’s include rabid war bitch Liz Cheney.

  102. FB says: • Website

    I just posted a technical article on the Houthi Quds-1 cruise missile on my blog…

    This cruise missile is basically a scaled-down Tomahawk or Kalibr and has a range of 1,400 km…TWICE what the so-called ‘experts’ are saying in the corporate media…

    I had previously posted a couple of comments working out the basic math on the Macron thread…here…and here…

    This has now been expanded into a full-blown technical analysis with lots of illustrations, and a full explanation of the methodology involved…

    The fact is that the Houthis missile is easily capable of reaching the oil facility that was hit…from Houthi territory in Yemen…

    We are getting total BS and ZERO substance from the so-called media and so-called ‘experts’…and the disinfo seems to be working because a lot of people are just assuming that the Houthi missiles are not capable of doing what they did…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  103. sarz says:
    @Miro23

    Bush inadvertently gave away the fact that he had seen the first crash live. He messed it up by saying he had seen it on TV. It had to have been a private feed. Perhaps that can be fitted in with your views. I don’t see how you can, but I’m open to the possibility. Do spell it out.

  104. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    There’s no way Bush didn’t receive a briefing. Something simple along the lines of “big shit’s about to go down. We’re in control. Keep calm and say what we tell you to say, and you’ll be rewarded generously”

    On the other hand, Donald Trump was clearly not clued in until much later as he’s on the record saying there’s no way aeroplanes could have taken down those towers.

  105. @zogborg

    You seem right to the extent that Americans are trained to fear criticizing Jews and Africans, but are certainly not trained to fear criticizing Asians in America. But that is far more true for criticism and even hatred of WHITE people, especially white men.

    Thousands of rap “songs” and videos, torture-fantasy movies, twitter posts, newspaper articles, etc., daily encourage (sometimes “joke”) about the mockery and assault, even murder and torture and dispossession of white people. There is no such concerted cultural effort against Asian people or Asian men in the USA, not even close.

    By the way, was the black “bicycle murderer” who shot an innocent white woman in the back in Chicago recently targeting Asians or whites? He said he was targeting whites.

    Another by the way: savage African “teens” bludgeoned an innocent white man, John Weed, to death, at the county fair in Frederick, Maryland this week, not Asians. And yes, you can find Asians in Maryland and almost everywhere else now if you’re a sick bastard who wants to kill.

    Whites are attacked, raped, murdered every hour of every day by Africans, and it is both increasing and encouraged, and you’re whining about how your feelings are hurt by prejudice against Asian guys or muscular Asian guys. It’s understandable that you come from your perspective based on experience, but have a sense of proportion and look at what MY people are suffering. (And if the Africans eliminated or subjugated all of us, they’d gladly come for you all next or simultaneously. Watch.)

    As for me in particular, I’m married to and deeply in love with my wife, an immigrant from Asia. One of the many great things about her is that she doesn’t whine about how hard it is to be Asian or an immigrant in the USA, and she clearly sees and opposes the transformation of our country into a place where white people are constantly discriminated against and have to cower and apologize. That hasn’t been her experience as an Asian woman, and she doesn’t harbor such bitterness and resentment against the core and founding populations of America (white people) as you do.

    Don’t worry, though, once they grow up, our half-slanty children are being raised to jump in and defend you if they saw you being attacked by an aggressor — especially if you and they are by then in a State where the law actively protects their right to use firearms to defend against aggression. And you, and they, will together be intentionally disadvantaged in university admissions and hiring in favor of Africans and Latinos,

  106. @zogborg

    PS Serious question: why are you still “turning on the TV”? You’re obviously smart enough to know that your TV payments enrich people who demean whites, and in your view demean Asians, and glorify and privilege Africans, homosexuals, and Jews.

    • Replies: @zogborg
    , @zogborg
  107. macilrae says:
    @AnonFromTN

    President Trump’s expressed willingness to talk to Hassan Rouhani at the UN must have horrified Netanyahu – who, at the same time, was fighting for his political life (and do not count him out yet).

    Something fairly drastic had to be done.

    It’s interesting that the media are all saying that the attack came from the north when the blow up of the above images clearly shows it came from the west. Admittedly the missiles could easily have flown along curved paths – although that would have made them easier to detect. SA is likely not heavily defended from the Red Sea direction.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  108. @Miro23

    We know Bush wasn’t directly involved in 9/11 because it worked.

  109. zogborg says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Haha I’ve stopped watching TV for almost a decade, but I’m not blind to pop culture. And I have no worries about defending myself, I have so much pent up rage, with weight-lfiting my only outlet, that I’d just love for some two-legged animal to come up and test me.

  110. zogborg says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I used to be sympathetic to white nationalist concerns until I realized most whites are content to suck up to apes and hook-noses. White people with your views probably don’t even make up 2% of the population.

  111. @zogborg

    I hate to burst your bubble kid but largely you don’t figure much at all in the average honky conscious.
    Not a major pain, not a major player at all.
    Just kinda blah.

    • Replies: @zogborg
    , @zogborg
  112. zogborg says:
    @Bill Jones

    Yeah is that why whites always stare at me like an autistic inbred when I’m out in public? They obviously have some subconscious sentiments towards my people, most likely negative. The same honkies who are too scared to even look in a Negro’s direction.

  113. zogborg says:
    @Bill Jones

    The point I’m making is Asians are probably the only non-white people in this globalist slave camp of a country who have at least some overlapping interests with whites, but mainstream normie whites are cowardly faggots who love to shit on Asians and suck up to monkeys and hook-nosed rats.

  114. I don’t know anybody who “shits on Asians”
    We must move in different circles.

    • Replies: @zogborg
  115. zogborg says:
    @Bill Jones

    I’m talking about non-woke, normie whites. The ones who just follow media and pop culture and have no intelligence or healthy instincts. White nationalist whites are probably a tiny minority of the overall white populace. What surprised me about websites like this one are that it seems there are more red-pilled white folks than I thought, based on what I see and hear IRL.

  116. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @MLK

    “The salient (and sanguine) difference is that Iran will have no allies (including Russia and China) for launching the region into “all out war” to save it from negotiating with the POTUS over its regional expansion and troublemaking. “- Iran doesn’t need Russia and China .They have proved to be unreliable and opportunists in the past . It can engulf the region in ‘all out war ” just like China has and Russia has the power if US pushes China in HK or S China Sea too much or Russia in Ukraine or Syria too much. While Israel is engulfing the region in more fire and Russia has been quiet happy with the development .Repeated Israeli aggression have allowed Russia to look like a mediator . But the reality is that a rogue nation has been allowed to go unpunished too long .

    “weak USG leadership during the Obama years led Saudi Arabia to hedge its bets via Russia and China.”. Japan is hedging S Korea is hedging . Israel has been hedging fro a long time .Turkey has . Modi hedged and got embraced by Trump. Only the Brexit fan Johnson is not hedging .

    Despite no hedging by Saudi, powerful Bushs Cheney ignored Saudi requests regarding Iraq of Saddam and Sudan .

    “This was baldly evident in the Khashoggi set-piece as well as in the aftermath of this oil facilities attack.’ MbS got some bad publicity which is not something unknown to Trump personally and bad publicity has left no impact on either of them at home, in UN or abroad.

    Irrespective of the players ,oil attack is par the course in the game US plays all the times everywhere . No legal or moral consequences from it unless someone wants to break the moral or the legal codes .Having broken too many moral and legal codes, may be, US finds that it has no taker – neither in new military attacks or tanker war or tanker protection .

    Iran was always vulnerable more yesterday compared to today when measured from 1980 . It’s situation is thousands times better than it was in 2003 or 2006 0r 2018 . Unless US is ready to accept some serious costs which includes the possibility of unseating USA from global status , it has no chance of vanquishing Iran. Here the Machiavellian roles of China and Russia enter the equation . Iran knows it . Does neoocn educated America know it ?

  117. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    US special services are involved in transferring Daesh* militants to northern regions of Afghanistan with the aim of destabilising the situation on the borders with the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), Sergey Beseda, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service’s international relations department, said on Monday.
    “We have received information about the US special services’ involvement in the transferring of Daesh fighters to Afghan northern regions to destabilise the situation on the CIS southern borders and later in Central Asia,” Beseda said at the meeting.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-accuses-us-of-transferring-daesh-to-northern-afghanistan/

    It seems that US has stopped inventing new things .
    All it’s strategies , talking points, sinister activities, promotions of ideas , funneling of money , gathering heinous murderers have been repeatedly exposed and laid bare . But it continues hammering the same plot into each new script.

    Was Taliban peace effort aborted because of the refusal of Taliban to do American bidding against China CIS and Iran ?

    Bolton is capable of murdering anything including newly born babies . This was not his first .
    That man loves drinking blood first thing in the morning .

  118. @FB

    OK. I’m sure you’re right about their capability. I am confused as most of the official MSM is still insisting that it was a drone attack. I haven’t really bothered to look at this in detail but I think it implies that the Houthis used drones which then fired missiles at the targets when they were closer. I see others are claiming it was a combined drone and missile attack. From the latest photos it does seem more like long range missiles:

    https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.199%2C$multiply_1.06%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/w_800/q_86%2Cf_auto/1b3113452b58915fbc04747a65891d3efc266088

    Or could such missiles be fired from larger drones?

    Now how come they didn’t display parts of the 911 wreckage of the planes or even that missile that supposedly hit the Pentagon? Oh never mind.

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    , @FB
  119. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    The wreckage displayed by KSA clearly shows cruise missile parts, in fact one of the displays is labeled LACM [land attack cruise missile]…

    Two nearly intact empennage sections [tail] of the Quds-1 were displayed…as well as two nearly intact TJ-100 turbojet engines…

    You’re confused…?…after listening to the shite in the so-called media…?…gee go figure…

    As for the nonexistent 911 wreckage…well…the idea I guess is that they assume we are all retarded…[in may cases rightly so…]

    The infamous Shankville, PA hole in the ground with no aircraft pieces should be declared the eighth wonder o the world…an entire Boeing 767 wide body jet swallowed hole by the ground…even planes that have crashed in swamps have never been swallowed…

    Pictures and local eye witnesses attest to the curious fact of corn flake-sized ‘wreckage’…with the whole sum total amounting to probably one box of cereal…amazing…

    If any airplane ever impacted in that hole then I’m the fucking Ghost of Christmas Past…

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  120. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Forgot to answer your question about cruise missiles like the Quds-1 possibly being fired from larger drones…

    No…it would take a huge drone to fire any kind of cruise missile…I estimate the weight of the Quds-1 at about 1,000 pounds…even the large US missile carrying drones like the turboprop-powered MQ-9 ‘Reaper’ UAV only carries 500 lb bombs and 100 lb Hellfire missiles…

    Conceivably the Reaper could carry a smallish cruise missile like the Quds, since it can carry up to about 2,400 lb total armaments on its underwing hardpoints…it would need to use its fuselage-mounted center hardpoint to do something like that…[this hardpoint is not currently being used]…

  121. @macilrae

    Circumstantial evidence makes Israel a prime suspect. That would also explain why US-made system did not respond: it recognized Israeli craft as “friendly”.

    As far as Trump is concerned, he has, using a Russian expression, “seven Fridays in one week”.

    I am not surprised that Western MSM is lying through its teeth: I don’t recall a word of truth from Western MSM in years (with the exception of weather forecasts, that are often untrue unintentionally).

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  122. FB says: • Website

    Also need to point out that Saker bumbled Fred Reed’s immortal Pompeo nickname…

    It’s Malignant Manatee

    What a perfect fit for that barndoor-broad head and land-whale ‘physique’…LOLOLOL

    Of course Manatees are beautiful gentle creatures and could never be malevolent…but malignancy can strike even the beautiful and gentle, through no fault of one’s own…

  123. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Somewhat off topic, but how much plane debris was recovered from inside the twin towers? That could shed some light on the planes vs CGI vs missles discussion.

    Obviously, the pentagon strike needs some explaining too.

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  124. anon[593] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/09/24/us-invokes-state-secrets-to-block-lawsuit-challenging-kill-list/

    The degeneration is complete . One can’t go down any further . Khassoghi murder tells us he was on Saudi kill list .

    • Replies: @anon
    , @AnonFromTN
  125. anon[593] • Disclaimer says:

    Despite the assertion by Saker based on UK based Arab media quoted by Times of Israel , Russia doesn’t seem to have entirely disagreed on Israeli air strikes . There is a possibility of qualified support . Russia is reaching out to UAE ,to Saudi ,to Turkey ,and is coordinating with Iran on pure geostrategic aims of dislodging US from ME ,become a honest broker ,and prevent emergence of terrorism . It doesn’t want Iran establish any roles beyond what desired by Syria or beyond what is required for status quo in Lebanon. It is dynamic . Russia will calibrate the need but also keep Iran becoming the guarantor of the peace and the border . Russia wants this prize.

    Russia is where USA was before Kennedy assassination.

    While Russia sees a future in the past, the rest of the players have moved along further down a different trajectory . Turkey and Iran would play significant roles . Iraq will become the swing entity . UAE and Qatar will depend on Russia to keep their kingdoms . Saudi family will disappear in next few years . Yemen will be a waste land but war will end this year with Russia again guaranteeing semblance of normalcy .
    Pakistan also will leave Saudi fold . Egypt will be permanently relegated to being just another country in N Africa . Libyans Haftar will get more close to Russia.

    Israel will not have peace but it will absorb west bank . Gaza will continue the resistance with Iran Syria and Hizbullah.

    Next year election and market crash will neutralize US entirely . Afgahanistan will be abandoned .
    At home riot will become norm from January or earlier . Israel might try to attack Hizbullah . This will mark the beginning of the end of Israel. But Russia and China will come to its rescue

    • Agree: bluedog
  126. anon[593] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Was Khassoghi on Saudi Friday Kill List ?
    Did MbS cite the state secrets ?

    Who knows ?

  127. @anon

    Maybe. However, Saudis are only minor criminals on the world stage. In my book, the key lesson here for anyone stupid enough to serve the Empire is that Khassoghi was used by the US and then thrown away, like a used condom.

  128. @Anonymous

    Yes quite amazing isn’t it? WTC was a towering inferno that melted all, or almost all, of the plane wreckage, (and Pentagon?) but a burning oil refinery, with all that fuel inside, left so much evidence behind of the missiles for the world to see. Ah well I suppose those Saudis have far greater IQ and capability than those Americans. Now if only they had got some better air defences than those US Patriots. OK, joking aside, obviously the Americans aren’t that stupid and there’s something more going on both in the case of 911 and this latest attack in Saudi. And why are more US soldiers going to Saudi? If anything the Saudis should be dumping the Patriots and buying those S-400 that even Turkey considers superior. Don’t say it’s a start up of a military buildup as we saw in the region before the wars against Iraq?

  129. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Yet Russia allows the US to transport by rail military hardware to US troops in Afghanistan. It sells rocket engines to the US which otherwise would experience a major setback in its space activities. It launches rockets carrying American payloads.” counterpunch

    Why does Russia bend backward to accommodate USA each step of the way ? USA makes menacing threat of wiping out Kalingrad. USA imposes sanction. USA undermines Russian efforts to stabilize Syria. Russia even fears the transport of ISIS to northern Afghanistan will destabilize Russian southern region.

    But Russia keeps on coming back cravenly begging for some accommodation.

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