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Listening to Donald Trump speaking about his desire to turn Russia into an ally, I caught myself wondering if that was even still a possibility. After all, “the West” – and by that I mean every single western politician – has been lying to Russia ever since the fall of the Soviet Union. Not only has the West lied to Russia (for example on the promise to to expand NATO), but the West has also back-stabbed Russia and sided, fully, with the most vicious and evil enemies of Russia including the Wahabis in Chechnia or the Nazis in the Ukraine. The West assembled a huge air force to mercilessly and illegally bomb the Serbs, a historical ally of Russia and fellow Orthodox people, in Croatia, then in Bosnia, then in Kosovo and then even in Montenegro and Serbia proper. The West also illegally and brutally overthrew Gaddafi in direct violation of UNSC Resolutions and now, having laid waste to Libya (and Iraq!), the West is trying to repeat this performance with Syria. In the case of the Ukraine, the West stood by while the Ukronazis used every single weapon in their arsenal, including chemical weapons, ballistic missiles, heavy artillery, multiple rocket launchers, cluster munitions and bombers against the cities of the Donbass and then imposed sanctions, no, not on Kiev, but on Russia. And even when the Ukronazis burned over 100 civilians in Odessa, the West fully backed them again. Before the Olympic Games in Sochi, the West then unleashed its “homo lobby” and its “pussy rioters” to try to paint Russia as some kind of quasi-Saudi society while never even uttering a single word of criticism against what was really taking place in the real Saudi Arabia, a close ally of the “indispensable nation”. And when Turkey ambushed a Russian bomber which had given its full flight plan to the US and then shot it down, the West had no more to say about it then when the local al-Qaeda franchise in Egypt bombed a Russian airliner. In its latest manifestation of rabid russophobia, the West, lead by the US Secretary of State Kerry, is demanding the release by Russia of a rabid Nazi deathsquad member accused of murdering 2 Russian journalists, Nadezhda Savchenko. Most amazingly, Kerry is claiming that Russia is violating her obligations under the Minsk-2 Agreement by judging Savchenko even though Russia is not a party to this agreement which has nothing to say about Savchenko’s case anyway. We can be pretty sure that if the Devil himself decided to appear somewhere in the USA or Europe and declared that he wanted to fight Russia, the West would give Satan full support, money, training, recognition, etc.

Considering all of this, one could reasonably assume that anti-western feelings have reached a boiling point in Russia and that Russia will never again be an ally for the West.

But that would be very wrong.

What is true is that most Russians look at the West with a sense of disgust, but “most Russians” are not sitting in the Kremlin. Russian decision-makers are first and foremost pragmatists, they understand that ruffled feathers and hurt feelings are not the kind of things which should define policies. Furthermore, whatever their feelings about western politicians, Russian leaders fully understand that Russia is still the weaker party in any confrontation with West and that it would be highly desirable to restore some kind of working relationship with the West. Please notice that I said “highly desirable”, but not “necessary” or “vital”. Russia is ready to struggle through a long period of “warm warfare” against the West, if needed, but that hardly means that this is good for Russia. In fact, the core principle of Russian foreign policy has been expressed by both by Lavrov and Putin on many occasions in the past. It goes something like this: “we need to turn our enemies into neutrals, neutrals into partners, partners into friends and our friends into allies”. This might seem rather self-evident until you contrast this with the AngloZionist position which can be summarized as such: “we need to turn everybody into our slaves”.

Now ask yourself this: how exactly could the Russians turn enemies into neutrals, etc.? I submit that the only way to achieve such a result is to work with somebody, with some political forces, inside the West and to help them move the West in the right direction. The Russians are most unlikely to achieve their goal if they just lump every single western politician into a “our enemy” category. What the Russians need to do is to identify those individuals or political forces in the West which are the most likely to be interested in some (or even many) forms of cooperation with Russia. Hence the recent contacts with the European far-right parties (such as the National Front in France).

Okay, but why would any western politician or political force be interested in cooperating with Russia? Would that not be a huge liability in the generally russophobic West? Would the opponents of such a cooperation not denounce it as a sign of “weakness” and a “sell-out”? Last but not least, what does Russia have to offer to such a political figure or political force?

Let’s take this step by step.

First, I would not exaggerate the russophobia of the West. If we are speaking about the elites, then yes, they are generally rabidly russophobic. But the common people? Much less so, I think. And those who are do so because they are conditioned by the media to view Russia with fear, but is a superficial feeling which can be reversed by common sense and self-interest. Will the opponents of any such cooperation denounce it? Yes, of course, that is to be expected, but whether this attack will be successful or not will depend on the outcome of such a cooperation. Thus the key question is what does Russia have to offer?

A lot, in fact.

First and foremost, if some not anti-Russian politician or political force comes to power in any western country, Russia can make darn sure that he/she gets, shall we say, “most favorite” status, meaning that in any negotiations Russia will have a stake in contributing to a political success for that individual or party. The obvious example: Trump becomes the next POTUS and offers to Russia a real partnership to deal with Daesh, not only in Syria but also in Iraq. I would argue that Russia would have a huge stake into “delivering” this objective to Trump as the best way to silence the anti-Russian forces inside the USA. Another example: a EU national leader breaks ranks with the Eurocracy and decides to unilaterally lift the sanctions against Russia. At this point Russia would have a huge interest in rewarding such a move by offering many lucrative contracts to this country on a preferential basis.

ORDER IT NOW

Paradoxically, one of the countries which would stand to benefit most from such a scenario would be Turkey. Not Erdogan’s Turkey, of course. The Kremlin has effectively “Shaakashvilized” Erdogan and his future now looks bleak, to say the least. But imagine if the Turkish military decided to overthrow Erdogan and immediately call Moscow with a simple message: “help us and we will help you!” Just imagine what Russia could do to assist a port-Erdogan Turkey:

First and foremost, play the role of an honest broker between Ankara and the Kurds, in a way similar to what the USA tried to do in northern Ireland. Russia could “bring in” Syria, Iraq and Iran and make some kind of push for a “comprehensive deal” with the various Kurdish parties.

Russia could literally kick-start the Turkish economy not only by allowing the Turks to re-enter the lucrative Russia market (construction, agriculture, tourism, etc.) but also by offering the Turks a range of cooperation deals not only in Russia, but also outside Russia (Latin America, Asia). At the very least Russia could reopen the “gates of tourism” and single handedly kick-start resort business. Potentially, an Ankara-Moscow axis of cooperation could be most useful to both countries, even if the historical record mainly shows already 12 wars between the two countries.

Right now Erdogan is in a terrible situation and nobody can help him, least of all the Saudis or the US. As long as he remains in power, Russia will completely ignore him. But the Russians are not stupid, they know that Turkey is an enemy whereas what they need is for Turkey to be at the very least a reliable partner. This is why Putin will work with anybody except Erdogan to fix this bloody mess.

Right now the West is “confronting” Russia everywhere, from the Arctic waters to the Pacific – but this begs the question of who really needs that?! Is that not a huge waste of resources and efforts when working with Russia could be so much more beneficial? This state of affairs is even more grotesque when we consider that the one and only reason for the current “tepid war” with Russia is AngloZionist imperial hubris whose prime directive remains “we need to turn everybody into our slaves”. This is exactly what Putin meant when he replied to a question suggesting that the USA wanted to humiliated Russia and saidYou said that the USA want to humiliate us. This is not the case. They do not want to humiliate us, they want to subjugate us, they want to solve their problems at our expense, to submit us to their influence. Never has anyone done this in history in relation to Russia and no one ever will”. It is this maniacal insistence on subjugating every nation on the planet coupled with a total inability to cooperate on a mutually respectful basis which has brought us to the edge of a thermonuclear war between Russia and the USA. This is a purely ideological problem which does not have any objective basis in reality.

Listening to Trump, I get the feeling that there are clearly some folks in the USA who do not suffer from that kind of megalomania and who are much more interested in getting things done rather than sacrificing it all in the name of some kind of (unsustainable) “indispensable nation” status. The Europeans are willing to be governed by the AngloZionist “deep state”, but only as long as this kind of collaborationism does not result in massive waves of refugees, crime and poverty. Already major politicians, such as Sarkozy and Berlusconi, are breaking ranks and more and more people are wondering whether it was a good idea to engage Russia in a “tepid war”, especially in support of a Nazi coup in Kiev.

I think that it is highly likely that this process of “realization” will only accelerate. JFK once said, paraphrasing Tacitus, that “victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan”. The utter failure to successfully confront Russia in the Ukraine, Syria or elsewhere will soon begin to generate many “denials of paternity” and a rush to embrace a far more promising policy of collaboration with Russia.

[Sidebar: when that happens I will look with a definite sense of glee and even Schadenfreude the the Baltic States and Central European countries who fancied themselves as an important and attractive “ally” for the West against Russia only to realize that neither the West nor Russia give a damn about them].

Whatever the outcome of the US Presidential election, I think that Trump’s statement that he wanted to work with Putin and Russia already gives him a competitive advantage over his opponents. He put very simply: “what do we need problems for?!”. He is absolutely correct, of course.

Historically, Russia’s relation with the West has been a “difficult one”. You probably know that the Soviet Union was under various western sanctions for most of its existence. But did you know that was also the case for pre-1917 Czarist Russia which also spent decades under various sanctions for all sort of spurious pretexts? In fact, ever since 1242 and the so-called “Northern Crusade” of Pope Gregory IX the West has been trying to subjugate Russia under some ideological pretext (Papism, Revolutionary Freemasonery, Nazism, Capitalism, etc.). But there is no inevitability in this, no objective reason for this never-ending confrontation. As long as the leaders of the West could delude themselves about being the “bearers of civilization” entrusted by God to civilize and convert everybody on the planet to their brand of “Christianity” the conflict was probably inevitable. But right now the AngloZionists have really brought down what used to be called the “western civilization”, like a parasite kills his host, while countries such as Russia or China are, for the first time in centuries, breaking out of their subservient status. This will be a long, and dangerous, process, but the writing is on the wall. Those in the West who will have the wisdom to see this writing and who will find the courage to renounce exceptionalism will be able to use it to their advantage. As for the Russians, they will to steadfastly continue to refuse to submit to the Empire while waiting for new partners to appear. Even if this is a long wait.

 
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  1. While I agree with much in the article, I’m not so sure that Russia is in all that much “weaker” a position vis-à-vis the West. While Russia has ethnic minorities, they are more or less “acclimatized” to Russians and Russians to them. Western nations are importing large numbers of unassimilable religious and racial minorities, with unknown, but probably ultimately disastrous consequences. Add to that stupendous levels of debt, economies propped up by monetary policies of central banks, and a deepening gulf between elites and ordinary citizens, and the west’s situation may be one of long-term weakness vis-à-vis Russia. I could see appeals to Russia for help by certain groups in the future: how about a naval base in Brest in return for Breton independence from a Muslim government in Paris?

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  2. Can’t agree. Powerful Western European states lead by the evil elites only see Russia as a competitor. A powerful Russia would make most if not all of Europe under some level of growing influence.

    It’s one reason why Western leaders whore themselves to the evil US empire. If not for the spoils of domination then for countering a powerful Russian state.

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  3. The odds against Russia becoming a western ally are steep, for many of the reasons you point out in your first paragraph. The first requirement would be for the US to stop pushing against Russia, and despite the odd straw in the wind like Trump’s and others’ reasonable approach these are in the end relatively fringe players (even Trump, even if he gets elected president), and they have limited ability to shift the massive momentum of the entire US sphere foreign policy idiocracy. Then the Russians would have to be convinced that this change in policy is firm enough to be relied upon.

    But if those first huge obstacles could be surmounted, then yes for certain there would be a definite possibility of Russia cooperating with the US sphere, and even becoming an ally, since Putin has always very obviously recognised the superior power and wealth of the US sphere, and the undoubted problems for Russia of aligning with China, and wanted to be on good terms with it, provided it can be done as an alliance of near equals rather than the serf-master relationship the US usually demands.

    Consider Lavrov’s comments earlier this year, reported here:

    A Russian Diplomat’s Take on the World

    In particular, note the comment about not bearing grudges:

    “I will tell you honestly that we don’t hold a grudge. We have no such traditions in relations between states. We understand that life is tougher than any ideal, romantic scheme like “re-set” or similar. We also understand that this is a world in which there are harsh clashes of interests that come down to us from the age of the West’s total domination and it is in the midst of a long transition period to a more durable system in which there will not be one or even two dominant poles, there will be several. The transition period is long and painful. Old habits die slowly. We all understand this.

    “We understand that the USA is interested in having fewer competitors even with regards to those comparable to it in size, influence, military power, economy. We see this in the relations between the USA and China, in how the USA works with the European Union, trying to create a ring around it via the Transatlantic Partnership, and to the east of Russia, to create a Trans-Pacific Partnership which will not include Russia and China. Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about this in detail when he analyzed the processes at work in the world economy and politics. We understand all of this.

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    “The West”? There is no “West”. What’s really meant is the US+Britain. Throw in a sometimes cooperative France and a seemingly mostly reluctant Germany and that’s it. The US is the superpower so has the upper hand in determining the dance music for everyone else. It’s based itself upon expansionism and that’s been it’s history for the past 117 years, expanding itself into every part of the world. It’s conflicts have been the result of this outward movement. Russia is a regional barrier so that’s what the hysteria is about. It can’t be threatened and cowed militarily and economic and political subversion aren’t working like they’ve worked against others.
    Trump might not be a war hawk like the rest and so might be better in helping bring about a period of relaxation and a toning down of the rhetoric. Trade and cooperation might gain greater emphasis. However, were he to become president he would be there at most for eight years. After that, what? The hawks would just be biding their time to make a comeback unless some way of evicting them permanently could be found.
    I don’t even think one could call the US as being “The West”. It’s not located in Europe. Culturally and mentally Americans are like people on an island. They neither know nor care where any other countries happen to be (unless they have recent immigrant roots). That Trump’s wife is from Slovenia has sent many Americans to their computers to look up this unknown and exotic place, often mixing it up with other places that start with an ‘S’. The US is actually a hybrid of sorts; it’s new with a relatively short history and has changed quite a bit from it’s beginnings.

  5. What the Russians need to do is to identify those individuals or political forces in the West which are the most likely to be interested in some (or even many) forms of cooperation with Russia. Hence the recent contacts with the European far-right parties (such as the National Front in France).

    These are for the most part outsiders to the political mainstream, to both the Right and Left, which leads to some amusing triangulation dilemmas.

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    In my opinion, TheSaker is softening up his readership for (shock! horror!), the partitioning of Syria. Such an act would confirm the East v West conflict as Kabuki; and subsume Russia within the so-called AZE. I actually think aZe is more apt.

    So that will be the first project of such an alliance — working towards the partitioning of Syria over the dead bodies of its civilians. I’ve already read 3 or 4 articles referring to the “federalization” of the country. See the links on the TheSaker site version of this article.

    A real win for the Zionists.

    Yours disgustedly

    Flo’

  7. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"]
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    Faker’s usual battle against straw men with half truths. Orthodox Fascism is less well supported than Europhobes in the UK, as we shall see. They live in a world created by their own propaganda. But Faker wouldn’t know that as he nurses his identity crisis far away.

    The Reactionaries and Orthodox Fascists who took over the Kremlin in 2004 looked for enemies everywhere. They were selected and trained to do so. If you go looking you will find them. How Russia shakes off the grip of the security services is difficult to see. Until it does, it will be stuck with the burden of Official Nationality. But there is no Russian school in Shanghai this time.

    Russia’s natural home is Europe. Russia set itself up in opposition to the EU, which is starting a 15 year boom now. (Irish growth is 7.8%). Oil down=Europe (and Japan, Turkey, India) up rest of world down. (Anglo’s have resources and production industries so they balance – Russia is too corporatist to revive its production industries so its on the losing side, not counting its vast self inflicted wounds. Putin is a reactive short term thinker and it shows in the results. Ukraine will not be a member of the EEU. GUAM as a whole is lost to Russia. GUAM are well placed to be Turkey’s allies. Great move annoying the Turks. Back to 1853. Another war Russia lost. Forget the Zionist obsession. Anglos do world domination.

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  8. The Anglo/Zio Empire is terminally corrupt, vastly overextended and in steep decline. When the United States is just another large country in the Americas she will learn the value of cooperation and diplomacy. Until then she will remain determined to rule the world by force of arms.

  9. [the EU, which is starting a 15 year boom now]

    I may never stop laughing.

  10. Russia can never become an ally of the West because the United States needs enemies to justify the Pentagon budget. The Pentagon budget is protected by the military-industrial-security complex that lobbies, threatens, persecutes, and (as we saw with JFK) even murders when something threatens their “gravy train”.

    This started after WWII and continues to the present day. The seminal war was the Vietnam War when the defense contractors got “drunk” on not only building weapons but supporting troops in the field via legions of paramilitary contractors. This has progressed to the present day to the extend that it is now common (Afghanistan, Iraq) for there to be more paramilitary contractors in the field supporting US troops than there are troops in the field. They perform logistics, maintenance, and site security functions that have traditionally been considered military functions.

    In military procurement, we now have the saga of the F-35 fighter … America’s most extreme example of politics and greed in military procurement that has finally produced a trillion dollar universal fighter design that doesn’t work. But there is too much political risk (read: billions in contracts) to call it what it is: A dysfunctional fighter produced by a dysfunction procurement system protected by a dysfunctional political system.

    The objective of the the military is no longer national security based on the objectives of a rational foreign policy. Rather, the objective is “feeding” the military-industrial-security” complex with endless waves of fiat dollars. One needs an endless supply of enemies to keep this “gravy train” going.

    Welcome to perpetual war!

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  11. And where is Israel in all this? Saker doesn’t mention it at all. He rarely ever does. Is it because Saker’s analyses are based on MSM? They rarely mention Israel and when it comes to Syria never.

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  12. Its the sound .The Big Bang of imploding .

  13. Everybody knows that Russia and the so-called West should work together to fight the problem.
    The same should happen in co-operation with the Shiite Iran.

    But the real non-elected decision-makers behind the scene are against it.

    Instead the US prefers “Friends” like Saudi-Arabia , rich Gulf-States and Turkey who supporting Islamists.After 2001 it is difficult to understand.Can the US be so stupid?

    Also “Cold Warriors” want to see Russia get killed after 100 years of Communism and its successors.But when Russia is lost whole Europe will have the same fate – and it will have a giant backclash on the US.

    At the moment we see the downfall of the West, huge masses of “not -compatible” people with “very different views” are flooding today an aging Europe, Currencies are manipulated, social standards are “fading” – so the liberal System losing its acceptance.

    The situation becomes more and more like after WW I.
    After the war people did ask where God was.So they did think it is time for a new Religion. It was a fight between (Leftists do not like this word) International Socialism and National Socialism .The winner was a non-globalized Capitalism.But with the globalisation the social standards are falling down.

    History does not repeat but sometimes rhyming.
    This time the winner will not be on the Trans-Atlantic side.
    Maybe the West is winning a battle – but not the war.
    The winner has more and more manpower and its name is – Islam.
    …and the idiotic West is celebrating its Humanity while the inhabitants get changed by several thousands every day……

    Democracy and Demography is only a matter of majorities.

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  14. Russia’s natural home is Europe. Russia set itself up in opposition to the EU, which is starting a 15 year boom now.

    LOL.

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    maybe the question might be posed… are you ready to be a good party to any kind of… such.!

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    The problem is with Russia. Russians have an identity crisis.

    They so want to belong to Europe and be liked and respected by Europeans that Russia constantly looks for opportunities to be the white knight. Just look at the Paris shootings where Russia tried to show support, and France slapped them in the face.

    Meanwhile the West is always looking for ways to break up and destroy Russia and Russians, like a cuckolded husband, meekly looks to crawl back.

    Unless BOTH the West and Russia overthrow their Zionist owners who want to divide and conquer, there will be no sincere reconciliation.

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  17. There are a fair number of Americans sympathetic towards Russia and to Putin, but the “Putin is Evil” Jewsmedia programming is still strong with the evangelical set– Gog and Magog and all that nonsense.

    Putin put a stop to the YHWH-approved looting of the Russian Spoils of Babylon during the Yeltsin years and thereby became a Haman who must be destroyed by the goyim in the minds of the Chosen.

  18. “Russian decision-makers are first and foremost pragmatists, they understand that ruffled feathers and hurt feelings are not the kind of things which should define policies”

    According to Saker, Putin should allow the west a graceful, face-saving exit from its recent decades of murderous idiocy so Russia will face more more decades of murderous idiocy; whilst ignoring the truism ‘leopards don’t shed their spots.’

    In other words, Saker demands the Kremlin practice ‘Realpolitik.’ Kind of reminds me of the punchline of a joke about a wrestler with a fantastic move called ‘the pretzel hold’ … where at the end of the story the guy caught in the pretzel hold who should have lost becomes champion instead, because ‘it’s amazing what a man can do when he bites himself in the balls.’

    Realpolitik, based in practical considerations, which often require ignoring morality and ethics, nonetheless demands rational adversaries, to work. Russia doesn’t have rational adversaries. Also, I somehow doubt Putin could be considered a Willy Brandt.

  19. In the Cold War the US elite respected the USSR because the USSR was powerful. They lost respect when Russia was weak, and resent her renewed strength. If she continues to gain strength their tone will moderate.

  20. In practice the alliance already exists. After 2012 Obama kicked out neocon Hillary and began working with Russia against our rogue agent ISIS. Now we’ve basically stood back and allowed Russia to END the war that Hillary started in Syria. We’ve also warmed up to Persia, who is openly on Russia’s side.

    The real question is not whether we will start an alliance, but who gets elected this time. If Trump, the alliance will continue, perhaps more openly. If Hillary, war will explode everywhere.

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  21. Russia has always been an ally of the West. The Jewish-controlled Soviet Union’s had strategic differences with the US, UK, and other non-communist western countries – but they all collaborated with each other when threatened by an independent Germany.

    Like the US, Russia is still a colonial power. Their interests in the Middle East or Ukraine are nothing to do with their national interests. It emerges from the interests of the Organized world Jewry.

    On March 10, 2016, Kenneth Rapoza said at ‘Forbes’ magazine: “And now rumor has it that ‘our guy Yats’ will be replaced by ‘our girl Natalie’ in Kyiv’s musical chairs.”

    Born into a Ukrainian immigrant Jewish family, Natalie Jaresko is a former employee of US State Department. She took Ukraine nationality in 2014 to become a cabinet minister.

    Since she assumed the finance ministry portfolio, the Jewish-controlled media declared her an “economic genius”, however, according to financial documents filed with the US Internal Revenue Service last year, she robbed US taxpayers of $1.77 million….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/12/ukraine-to-get-us-jewess-pm/

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  22. Hey Homer

    You and Jaresko much have a lot in common being that you’re both geniuses – after all, you must be a genius being that you’re a nuclear engineer.

    D’oh!

    Sherm

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  23. Not going to happen. The US can’t even agree to disagree Russia. But as you mentioned, the average person has no beef with Russia, just the elite azzwipes.

  24. Listening to Trump, I get the feeling that there are clearly some folks in the USA … … who are much more interested in getting things done

    was that an endorsement?

    ouch

    that must have hurt. But kudos for looking beyond your kneejerk criticism of anyone who supports Trump being a racist/fascist/whatever

    Intelligent and reasonable people should look past their parochial and petty bigotries to the bigger picture. The West, as you call it, or more specifically and correctly- the AngloZionist occupied and dying West- is on a collision coarse with anyone and everyone who does not submit to its will.

    A war between the Zio-occupied West vs. Russia is a bad idea. Hillary or Cruz will inevitably take us there. So that leaves Trump for any hope, however gossamer, for sanity in our lifetimes. And if he isn’t assassinated, then there is really no reason on this earth why the US wouldn’t immediately begin cooperation across the board with not only Russia, but Hamas and Iran and Assad in Syria and Eastern Ukraine and all the other hot spots of strife that the boy$ of Zion have been foisting on the world vis-a-vis their corrupt quislings in the White House.

    Just imagine the collective sigh of relief the world could breath if Trump were to be inaugurated and there was actually hope!

    no more of this!

    http://www.therightplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Hillary-We-Came-We-Saw-He-Died.png

    No more of the Bush doctrine, AIPAC whore, GOP dogs licking Bibi’s ****

    It’s really almost too much to even imagine, things have been so bad for so long. Being an American, it’s like some kind of nightmare you never wake up from.

    God speed to Trump, and God save us all

  25. Demography (including ageing, fertility, citizenship/voting and cultural differences) can scarcely be mentioned and emphasised too much. But I think your particular version of gloom ignores a few factors including 1. China 2. India 3. Large Muslim countries incompetent government 4. Sectarian strife within Islam.

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  26. I don’t claim the sort of certainty that this Anonymous does but, whatever one can say of the Israel Firsters in America it seems hard to categorise Russian policy making in the same way since Putin and his old KGB mates grabbed the reins. Apart from the subordination or at least curbing of the oligarchs Putin has taken advantage of the great depth of Russian nationalism combined with revived Orthodoxy to consolidate power well away from any Elders of Zion fantasy such as this Anonymous seems to entertain.

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  27. I wonder why people think they can reliably predict Clinton’s line on foreign policies in so far as they are supposed to be bought by her current financial supporters. With an influence like Bill in the background I would expect her to be about as reliable as Napoleon found Talleyrand to be.

  28. THE INCREDIBLE TURK
    1958 Documentary, Narrated by Walter Kronkite

    The Incredible Turk (1958)

    Alliances change. Judging from previous comments (arguments) here at Unz, this paean to Ataturk should be a flashpoint, but everyone can enjoy the vintage newsreel footage. Only 25 minutes, it covers a lot of ground quickly. Note Greek invasion of Turkey.

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  29. And the truth about the US/UK-carried (and Zionists-inspired) slaughter of the Middle Eastern population is steadily coming out: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/335343-obamas-attempt-disclaim-libya/

  30. “The Reactionaries and Orthodox Fascists who took over the Kremlin in 2004…”
    Sounds like a lachrymose for Yeltsin
    “Russia set itself up in opposition to the EU, which is starting a 15 year boom now.”
    This statement is impossible to support with facts but it is very easy to support with western presstitute propaganda a la Kagans & B.–H. Levy as delivered by FauxNews, WSJ, and other well-financed sources that channel oligarchs’ messages for the “biomass.”
    A minor comment: The Saker is run by a person with great dedication and expertise, including military expertise. (His posts, for instance, have been taken seriously by such great man as Pat Lang of Sic Semper Tyrannis). You cannot prove your superiority by insulting the Saker.

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  31. “This is a purely ideological problem which does not have any objective basis in reality.”

    Truer words have never been spoken. Putin knows this. He knows this demonic ideology, which Russia is fighting, is found in nearly every country, though the former US of A seems to be its latest victim.

    Putin remembers what these “ideologues” did to Russia 100 years ago. To a large extent, he seems to be saying to regular Americans, “I understand. You have a very severe problem with a Very Old Ethnic Mafia, who are doing to you exactly what they did to Russia. We’ve been there, we remember. In fact, we’ll NEVER FORGET.”

    For that reason, Putin can’t defeat the enemy by bombing every western country where The Oldest Ethnic Mafia wreaks its murder, mayhem and power for its Chosen Ones. That would be suicide, not just for Russia, but humanity as well.

    Putin knows this struggle will be long and difficult, but CAN be won if we remember who the enemy is and don’t get distracted by endless false-flags and terrorist operations designed to pit us against each other, not our common enemy.

  32. An alliance between the U.S. and Russia would be an alliance against China. The Saker’s shallow analysis fails completely to consider those key implications.

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  33. Yes, I know the other players in the world-wide “chess-game” too.

    I did not mention them because Muslims are the “main-factor”.Muslims follow first the Quran and second the constitution. It doesn’t matter in which country.

    China has problems with their Muslim minorities the Uigures.

    India and Pakistan are still enemies and not to forget nuclear-powers.Pakistan was created and splitted apart from India after WW II and is supporting Terror-groups with their Secret Service ISI, playing a double-game in Afghanistan and a dirty role in the attacks in India and in the Bin Laden case.Remember where Osama was living….

    Large Muslim countries like Saudi-Arabia,Egypt,Indonesia,Pakistan can change their gouvernments easily when the time is come.Because Muslims will always follow the Quran first.
    Step by step,percentage by percentage and Generation by Generation they reach their worldwide Caliphate.

    In 1979 a sleeping giant did get up:
    -Khomenei in Iran ( result of dirty politics of US and Britain after removing Mossadegh)
    -Russians in Afghanistan (and the support of these “Freedom-Fighters” by the US and Pakistan)
    - bloody attempt to conquer and occupy the Kaaba

    Should these Terrorists,moderate beheaders and former “freedom -fighters” one day remove the Saudi Kingdom, occupy the Kaaba and Mekka and declare the real Caliphate then the whole World will be a battlefield and Millions of former “moderate citizens” will follow the call for the last battle and the Djihad against all non-muuslims.
    Today a lot look “moderate” – but how will it be in 2 or 3 generations….? Than more Muslims in a country than more rights and tolerance they want.Are they then in a majority then they will give the orders from their book – and tolerance is a weak thing from the West, not in the Quran

    Erdogan did write a poem about this.”Minaretts are our Bayonetts,Mosques are our barracks,cupolas are our helmets” etc.

    At the moment they do their “Birth-Djihad” and immigrate in the West.
    Refugee or Invaders – that is the Question.Most will become permission to stay …..

    In the WWII in the main battles the numbers of killed,wounded or missed soldiers were about 25000-30000 per day.Look at the numbers from “people with different views” who are coming since last summer.Their Soldiers are already here, weapons will follow later and in the end they will rule.Simple,not that much blood but very effective with their “manpower”.

    …while the West celebrates its “Humanity”…..

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  34. Hence the recent contacts with the European far-right parties (such as the National Front in France).

    No that was a result of the French establishment making sure the banks would deny the FN a loan , thereby forcing the FN get a loan from Russia, which was a public relations disaster for Le Pen. It is like Reagan’s US isolating NIcaragua by asking western countries not to sell them arms , and then seizing on the Sandinistas getting advanced weapons to defend themselves from US proxy force from the only people left: the Soviets.

    Western Political parties would be wise to steer clear of Russia. They are welcome to invest funds obtained by methords best left unmentioned in London property and send their children to English schools (London is awash with dirty money) , but that does not buy them anything but a bolt hole/nest egg. Russia is becoming economically nationalist and Western companies will be reluctant to invest there without any garentee their profits can be repatriated.

    Russia serves a purpose as a strategic threat to the EU, while Russian money coming to the West and reinforcing the power of elites in various ways, but there will be no alliance, at least not until China becomes the dominant global power

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  35. Hi Sharon – Yes Jaresko and I are genius but with great difference. Jaresko is a female Shylock – but, me, a working dude for Canadian nuclear industry controlled by Zionist Jews.

    Shalom and watch Atzmon under your bed!!

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  36. Sorry dear I’m no Turk though my name is found in Turk, Azerbaijan, Arabic, and Persian languages.

    I’m no admirer of Turkey’s president Erdogan, who is considered a “Crypto-Zionist” by many Turk Islamists. However, when war criminals like Shimon Peres demonize Erdogan – I think he must be doing something good for his people.

    “I’m happy what happened in Turkey. Erdogan wanted to turn Turkey into Iran, and there is no room for two Iran’s in the Middle East,” Peres said in June 2015.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/06/13/peres-erdogan-and-911/

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  37. the only way for russia to be part of the west or even friends is for the evils of 90s to come back. I doubt any russians want that.

  38. And their “gravy train” is currently being threatened by Trump.

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    “The Saker is run by a person with great dedication and expertise, including military expertise. ” Hasn’t shown yet

  40. Hey Homer

    I’ll look out for Atzmon in my bed.

    You be careful of the goat in your bed!

    Sherm

  41. Sorry…. I didn’t think you were. It’s Avery who has particular opinions on Turks, but lots of others jump into the debates. Some aspects of Ataturk remind me of Peter the Great, wrenching his country into Western modernization.

  42. Good comparison but my impression is that Ataturk was a civilised modern compared to Peter the Great.

  43. Whatever their own problems with Muslims neither China nor India are going to stand for any nonsense from the oil producers.

    But my larger point of disagreement is your unwillingness to give due weight to the absolutely huge differences and enmities between Sunni and Shia to name only the major Muslim sectarian divisions. compare the centuries of Christian strife from about 1400 onwards (maybe the Cathars and Albigensians were earlier).

    As for them narrowly following the Koran – which interpretation? The foreigners joining ISIS are generally a dim lot of young people who have been known to buy “Islam for Dummies” before taking off for their great adventure.

    And think how westerners have changed – even fanatical fundies who still produce bombers of abortion clinics to remind us tbat we have changed from the witchburning days of America’s western founders.

  44. “Russia serves a purpose as a strategic threat to the EU”
    Could you provide a fact or two for supporting that statement?

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    Insofar as geopolitics matters (separate from geographically related trade issues), Russia has been an ally of Western Europe against the centre since Kievean Rus when the Vikings bypassed the Franks to trade with Byzantium. Add 1612, 1812 and 1941 to that. And of course a great uncertainty to the remnant Mongols when considering a move West.

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    The price of oil is a fact.

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    Exactly so.

    Russia is now vigorously courting Japan since the rather tepid reception it had from China for its turn to the East. It’s a much better deal economically (Japan has stuff Russia can’t duplicate, China has trashy consumer products) and strategically – Japan is on the open sea.

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    “Muslims follow first the Quran and second the constitution. It doesn’t matter in which country.”

    So should should Christians. But we don’t see it anymore. Protestantism and the Russian Orthodox Church (a unilateral breakaway from Constantinople almost identical to Anglicanism and Rome bar a divorce) were state sponsored attempts to deal with this.

    Even Malaysians are becoming militant. We are going to need HUGE interment camps.

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    The right wing of the UK Conservatives have been rather supportive of Russia as a fellow traveller against the EU.

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  50. It’s a much better deal economically (Japan has stuff Russia can’t duplicate, China has trashy consumer products) and strategically – Japan is on the open sea.

    On the contrary, China has infinitely more to offer Russia than Japan – far greater wealth, a much bigger market, continental strategic security, a much bigger military, far greater scope for distracting the Yanks when needed and very importantly another UNSC veto so that neither of them has to be the lone veto against the US sphere’s regularly attempted abuses of the UNSC. And unlike the Japanese they are not deeply embedded in Uncle Sam’s back pocket.

    On the other hand, China is still a long term potential threat and the Russians are far too canny to burn any bridges unnecessarily, so they certainly want to keep open lines to the Japs. A degree of uncertainty helps to keep Japan from going too far in the other direction, as well.

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  51. Think what could have been if the US and Russia became allies after the cold war. Like in the Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven series of Sci-fi novels. The CoDominium. Instead the neo-cons went to Russia and looted it. A crying shame. A strong CoDominium could enforce peace throughout the planet instead of permanent war.

    Russia and the US are natural allies. The only territorial space where we have competition with each other is the Arctic for oil resources and a quick treaty where all shared in one big combined oil exploration company would solve that problem. I don’t believe the Russians in any way wish to attack and conquer Europe. What would they do with it? It would cost a fortune and provide no extra security.

    I believe Trump could easily make deals that would help the US and Russia equally prosper and maybe over time lesson tensions. It wouldn’t be that difficult just stop attacking Russia and act reasonable.

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    Not so fast.

    Putin has done an admirable job of casting out the Zionists in Russia. But what happens when Putin steps down?

    The problem with Russia is that Russia has never come to terms with what the Jews have done to Russia ie the Bolshevik Revolution and many other instances where Jews have stabbed Russia in the back.

    So Russia is bound to repeat the same mistake over and over again. Just give it a little time.

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  53. “Russia has never come to terms etc.” Maybe but anyone visiting Russia for any time other than as a cosseted VIP would have to notice that Russians don’t like Jews and make it pretty obvious without PC niceties. So what’s your evidence that Jews are likely to overcome that starting behind scratch problem?

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  54. Soarintothesky goes:
    “Russia set itself up in opposition to the EU, which is starting a 15 year boom now.”

    Are you DENSE? The above line is a real howler but basically your entire post.(7) is nonsense.

  55. “wizard” writes:
    “..would have to notice that Russians don’t like Jews and make it pretty obvious without PC niceties””

    To the degree that this is even true, Russians have every reason not to like them.

  56. An alliance between the U.S. and Russia would be an alliance against China.

    I don’t see that happening. China has a lot more to offer Russia than the US does. China has the capital that Russia needs without the downside of seeking capital from Western sources. China has a vital interest in a stable and secure Russia as a trading partner and a security partner in central Asian affairs. China’s technology has traditionally been adapted from Russian technology. Rivalry between China and the US over the Pacific is likely to put a crimp in China’s ability to acquire technology from the West, in much the same fashion as the West has clamped down on capital to Russia. Russia would be foolish to forego developing their economic and security relationship with China for the sake of allying with a partner as unreliable and untrustworthy as the US.

  57. @Western European states lead by the evil elites only see Russia as a competitor.

    This is a mild statement.

    “In his letters (Cyrus Alder, Jacob H Schiff: His Life and Letters, 1928), Schiff (the one who financed the Russian Revolution) reveals an obsession with bringing down the Russian government. He admits to loaning money to Japan for the 1904-5 war, for a political purpose: ‘I further said, that as a friend of Japan, who had rendered important services in financing her war loans, in order to enable her to defend herself and become victorious over Russia, ” the enemy of mankind,” …’ (vol I, p. 255).”

    Why “the enemy of mankind”? Uh, because: THE AUTOCRAT OF ALL THE RUSSIAS THE GOG OF MAGOG FORETOLD BY EZEKIEL: “the prophecy of Ezekiel, relating to Israel’s last enemy, points conclusively to Russia. Unless a radical change—from which may God preserve us—takes place in the mind and in the political constitutions of Europe, we need not fear that any other nation than Russia will oppress the Hebrews…Russia is the single empire which has the disposition, and can command the means of undertaking a like campaign; and it is worthy of remark, that a prophecy is in vogue in Russia, its origin I know not, predicting that at a certain future period the Russians will become Lords of the Universe.It is thus almost established by evidence, that Russia is the country of Magog, and that Nicholas, or one of his successors, is the Gog announced by the prophet, and that there is reason to believe that the latter days are not far off; let us, therefore, be on the watch and in continual prayer, that we may not be overwhelmed by a torrent of events, as a thief taken in the night!”.

    You may dismiss that as ravings of lunatics from the 19-20th Centuries, Jewish bankers, Socialists (for Marx and Engels Russia was always ‘The Russian Menace to Europe’: – “Alexander II will place himself at the head of the Panslavist movement, and change his title of Emperor of all the Russians into that of Emperor of all the Slavs” – wrote they in 1854 in ‘Panslavism and the Crimean War’), British Empire, Austro-Hungary, the 2nd and 3d Reich, all the “West” denouncing the “menace of Panslavism”!

    But don’t we see today how “Are Gog And Magog Marching On Israel As We See Russia Deploying Its Military Might In Syria?” Can’t we hear (again) The Sound of the End Time Shofar around the World?

  58. Before commenting on the film, I think it is always helpful to provide a little geopolitical context to this historical event.

    As the saying goes, there are typically three sides to every story… and this one is no different. Rather than depicting the battle as a “Greek invasion of Turkey,” as this film does, the landing of the Greek troops in Smyrna was part of Eleftherios Venizelos’s (the Greek Prime Minister) plan, inspired by the Megali Idea, a long-held desire to liberate the large Greek populations residing in Asia Minor. For those who are unaware, these lands were Greek for millennia. Plato once described the Greeks living round the Aegean “like frogs around a pond.”

    The Ottaman Turks had captured Constantinople in 1453 and had occupied Greek lands for over 400 years. The Greek War of Independence in 1821 liberated only a limited amount of Greek land. More Greek lands were liberated in the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913. But the Greeks had to wait till the defeat of the Ottoman Empire during WWI to try and liberate the rest of the Greek people that were living in Asia Minor:

    At the Paris Peace Conference, 1919, Eleftherios Venizelos lobbied hard for an expanded Hellas (the Megali Idea) that would include the large Greek communities in Northern Epirus, Thrace and Asia Minor. The western Allies, particularly British Prime Minister David Lloyd George, had promised Greece territorial gains at the expense of the Ottoman Empire if Greece entered the war on the Allied side. These included Eastern Thrace, the islands of Imbros and Tenedos, and parts of western Anatolia around the city of Smyrna, which contained sizable ethnic Greek populations.

    Now, turning to the film. The first thing I did after I began viewing it was to fast forward to the very end to view the credits to see if I could determine who the people were that were responsible for making this film. I had a sneaking suspicion of who it might be, and, sure enough, those suspicions were confirmed when the following names appeared in the credits:

    Produced by: Burton Benjamin

    Associate Producer: Isaac Kleinerman

    Narration Written by: Lael Wertenbaker

    After going back to the beginning and viewing it to the very end, I can safely say that this film was a propaganda piece, clearly intended to get the American public to form a favorable view of a country with which the Zionists were eager to form a strategic alliance. Why would they want to do such a thing… here’s why:

    Turkey was the first Muslim-majority nation to formally recognize the State of Israel, only one year after the Declaration of the Jewish State (28 March 1949). Israel was a major supplier of arms to Turkey. Military, strategic, and diplomatic cooperation between Turkey and Israel were given high priority by the governments of both countries, which shared concerns with respect to regional instabilities in the Middle East.

    The Alliance of the periphery or the Periphery doctrine is a foreign policy strategy that called for Israel to develop close strategic alliances with non-Arab Muslim states in the Middle East to counteract the united opposition of Arab states to the existence of Israel. It was developed by David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, and employed chiefly towards Turkey, pre-revolutionary Iran and Imperial Ethiopia…

    The Arab–Israeli conflict was seen for many decades as primarily a conflict between Arab states and Israel, rather than a pan-Islamic one. Thus, nations such as Turkey and Iran, which were considered rivals of Arab states for regional dominance, were steadily cultivated by the Israeli government…

    Finally, while it’s understandable that most Zionists would have a favorable view of this tyrant (for having turned Turkey away from the Middle East and looking towards Europe), I’m not sure why some Americans would. I’m always struck by the irony of so-called democrats venerating a dictator, whether benevolent or not. Go figure!

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  59. And where is Israel in all this? Saker doesn’t mention it at all. He rarely ever does. Is it because Saker’s analyses are based on MSM? They rarely mention Israel and when it comes to Syria never.

    What specifically are your own thoughts on this ‘issue’ utu?

    Just wondering…

  60. The best that can be hoped for is realism, i.e., the recognition that nations are going to act in their own interests and that those interests need to be taken account in international relations. Realism was forced upon the US by the nuclear threat during the Cold War, then disregarded after the breakup of the Soviet Union. Realism would also indicate that propping up the gulf states and Israel is no longer in the US interests, as neither relationship enhances security in the region and exported Wahhabism is the #1 threat to security throughout MENA. Petrodollar oil is not as vitally important to US economic interests as it used to be. Better to make deals elsewhere and not finance Wahhabist terrorism. A realist approach to the mideast would recognize that it is more central to Russian and Iranian interests than to American interests. Realism vis-a-vis Russia is more likely to emerge in Europe than in the US. Such realism would be a threat to the global hegemon and its local structures, the EU and NATO. The big question would be whether the US would accept the demise of NATO or try to prop up a rump NATO. A rump NATO could be a dangerous situation if the remainder were mainly composed of actors such as Turkey, the Baltic states, and Poland seeking to enhance their regional ambitions under a NATO umbrella.

  61. You lost me at the nonsense “Nazis in the Ukraine.” The Nazis are in Moscow, and it’s Ukraine not “the Ukraine.” Ukraine has been a sovereign country for over 20 years. You need to deal with it.

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  62. {For those who are unaware, these lands were Greek for millennia. Plato once described the Greeks living round the Aegean “like frogs around a pond.”
    The Ottaman Turks had captured Constantinople in 1453 and had occupied Greek lands for over 400 years. }

    For those who are unaware, today’s Turks illegally squatting in Asia Minor, are the descendants of nomad Turkic invading tribes from Uyguristan (East Asia, Central Asia). Turks are the one who invaded Asia Minor from 1,000s of miles away.

    {“Greek invasion of Turkey,” } is as irrational as saying e.g. Free French Army “invaded” Paris to liberated it from Nazi occupiers.
    Turkey is a criminal, genocidal, illegal state, occupying the lands of indigenous peoples (Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks), after subjecting them to Genocide.
    Next thing we’ll hear from Turkophile propaganda outlets is that Cypriots “invaded” Cyprus. (Descendants of invadonomad Turk invaders are still illegally squatting on 40% of indigenous Greek inhabited Cyprus).

    geokat62: good background analysis to identify the Turkophile Zionist propagandists behind the phrase {“Greek invasion of Turkey,” }. Turkophile denialist Jewish-American “intellectuals” and NGOs (e.g. ADL and the slimy Abe Foxman) have been carrying water for the Turks for decades. Nothing new.

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  63. {Russia is still a colonial power. Their interests in the Middle East or Ukraine are nothing to do with their national interests.}

    You know as much about Russia and what is or isn’t its national interest, as your illogical claim in another thread that “Ottoman Turkey and Soviet Union fought several wars”.
    You have no clue about anything.

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    Anither brilliant piece from the Saker.

    Russia and China needs to break the western economic stranglehold on the African continent and its environs and the rest will be assured.

    Anglo-zionists will never forgive Russia for unleashing communism alternatives to their chosen capitalism. Worse the Soviet assistance in freeing many third world nations from western imperialism in the 70s can only be repaid now with the total destruction of Russia. There is no forgiveness.

    So LISTEN up RUSSIA

    You have right on your side, now get Justice. That means a principled foreign policy…an imposibility as dictated by western powers..so KNOW the fight is on.

    Gather Third World leaders and read the riot act. No more GRAFT no more CORRUPTION no more ELITISM. They are the servants of their respective peoples and BELZEEBUB needs to be evicted.

    EDUCATE THE MASSES
    IMPLEMENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS
    STOP CHASING PROFITS
    HELP THE PEOPLE FEED THEMSELVES
    HELP THE NATIONS PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST PREDATORS

    RELEASE the potential of the people to fight back.

    There is no other way.

    Russia has earned Special Status. Thank you to the Russian people for being a bulwark. We are sorry for the blood wound the head of the snake has been trying to enforce on your body when it is to be borne by the great satan himself.

    National Front politics have almost emerged as a lone voice of rationalism except may I ask them….are they Nationalist because they want to continue the rape of third world countries without looking into the faces of people of colour.

    That kind of dead politics is for nincompoops Reasonable and passionate people of knowledge know better.

    It is better to give a man an opportunity rather than deny him. 99 out of 100 times that is true. The rest the 1 percent…well we know what their heaven is all about.

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  65. Turkophile denialist Jewish-American “intellectuals” and NGOs (e.g. ADL and the slimy Abe Foxman) have been carrying water for the Turks for decades. Nothing new.

    Here’s a little evidence that backs that claim up:

    http://www.salon.com/2010/06/16/israel_lobby_genocide_armenia/

    http://asbarez.com/123385/after-years-of-denial-foxman-recognizes-genocide/

    http://archive.adl.org/presrele/mise_00/5114_00.html#.Vs5IV_DEirU

    http://youtu.be/uoXED_7I3VA (The most relevant part begins at 21:04)

  66. Modern Turks are descendants of Greeks, Hellenized Anatolian peoples, Armenians, and Kurds who converted and “Turkicized.” You won’t see any E Asian phenotypes in Turkey other than the Japanese tourists.

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  67. The Ukraine is a bad joke, like you.

  68. ““Russia has never come to terms etc.” Maybe but anyone visiting Russia for any time other than as a cosseted VIP would have to notice that Russians don’t like Jews and make it pretty obvious without PC niceties.”
    Please check the ethnicity of people in power at the various state and private institutions in RF. Perhaps Russia is the most ethnically tolerant country considering the cost of the terrorist revolution of 1918 (see “Two Hundred Years Together”) and comparing to the history of European countries’ “overcoming” the power of the tribe. For the US citizenry the unraveling of the relationships with the tribe’ most unscrupulous and vicious ones (exemplified by AIPAC and ADL) is currently in full flower.

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  69. Your post contradicts to the US’ admission of the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/12/u-s-house-admits-nazi-role-in-ukraine/

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-aided-a-coup-led-by-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/5371940

  70. Religion vs. Science

    Human mankind has reached a higher level.
    Once it was “believing” and in the most parts of the world today it is “knowing”.
    Religiion was until 2001 a kind of hobby and a private matter.

    So in the West (including Russia) and most parts of Asia there will be no way back in the middle-age.But all these countries have a low fertility-rate and most of them dreaming the multicultural dream who is in reality a nightmare (Libanon,Yugoslavia,Soviet-Union,even Ireland).

    Tolerance is the beginning of the end of a country.

    And if there is a group who is becoming stronger than the rest they will use their chance.
    Muslims feel that the West is weak and they have Millions of Trojan Horses already inside the West.Look in the Schools of Western -European Countries and you will see the (dark) Future.
    In one or two generations they are ready for reaching the power via legal elections.
    Then Europe was been a proud Continent and the US becomes a downgrade as a regional power.

    The so-called “Elites” in the West thinking without borders they can rule the world – but they have ignored Religion.They were believing it is a thing from the past.But this thing from the past will break the neck from the West until mid of this Centrury.They have enough “manpower”.Even today they rule the streets in the City’s.
    Who is remembering the riots from London and Paris? Such things will happen more and more while Politicians and the Media follow the Political Correctness , a new kind of censorship and do indirectly help these hardcore-Muslims.

    The West is so stupid , exscuse me….. “tolerant”…..
    He is applauding and celebrating its own executioner who is preparing the rope.
    Tolerance until to the self-sacrifice.

  71. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"]
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    “Worse the Soviet assistance in freeing many third world nations from western imperialism in the 70s” What! The Spanish, Dutch, British and French were long gone by then.

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    Exclusion from senior public sector jobs and direct land ownership outside the Pale is what drove the Jews disproportionately into business, finance and academic positions in the first place. That’s why so many 90′s oligarchs were Jewish. A culture that promoted education but a limited number of channels to express it. Compared to their presence in business and education there are very few Jews in senior administrative positions. Overlaps with banking and finance are perhaps the most common.

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    There are Nazis in Ukraine. A party which included some Nazi members got 1.5% of the vote. After the Maidan, for about 5 weeks the Nazis intruded into the government which was briefly a genuine Junta until the elected Parliament restored enough power to throw them out. This was enough for Russian nationalists to label Ukraine Nazi ever since. The Russian Fascists have been more significant. They promoted the insurgency in the Donbass and are still doing so although the numbers of their leaders are reducing due to regular assassinations. They even used language like March On Rome err…Kiev. Ukraine doesn’t need Minsk 2 (Russia gets to pay for the Donbass or loses any loyalty it still enjoys there), Russia does (money bleeding away), hence the assassinations of the more militant fascist leaders. There are many Nazis in Russia especially Ariosophists (about 750,000 active) but they are on the fringes, unlike the Orthodox Fascists. Think Mussolini not Hitler.

  74. Vladimir Putin orders start of Russian forces’ withdrawal from Syria

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/14/vladimir-putin-orders-withdrawal-russian-troops-syria

    Is it the face saving exit? The mission accomplished? Assad sold out?

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  75. https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/14/kerrys-secret-war-plan-for-syria/

    “Obama agreed in October 2013 to a very risky major escalation of military assistance to the Syrian opposition. That fall the Pentagon sold 15,000 U.S. TOW anti-tank missiles to the Saudis, and throughout 2014, the Saudis doled them out to armed groups approved by the United States. Dispensing anti-tank missiles was a reckless policy, because it was recognized by then that many of the groups being armed were already fighting alongside Nusra Front in the northwest. The missiles were crucial to the capture of all of Idlib province by the Nusra-led “Army of Conquest” in April 2015.”
    More: http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/13/u-s-may-be-salvaging-victory-for-jihadists-in-syria-how-why/
    U.S.-provided weaponry used by the “moderate terrorists” agains Russian and Syrian forces in Syria: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/02/26/watch-u-s-made-missile-goes-up-against-one-of-russias-most-advanced-tanks/

  76. “With its large Catholic and Jewish populations, the Pale was acquired by the Russian Empire (which was majority Russian Orthodox) in a series of military conquests and diplomatic maneuvers between 1791 and 1835, and lasted until the fall of the Russian Empire in 1917.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

  77. 1992 was a while after 1918. The big legs up Jews had in becoming oligarchs was their prominence in organized crime and simpatico with Western finance.

  78. Brendan Simms on the UK’s Russian Lobby ; ” a nexus of oilmen , fund managers, bankers and independent schools as well as the lawyers, advisors and politicians who service them”

    I suppose by the right wing of the UK conservatives you mean Boris Johnson — a City banker’s man, who loves immigration and is triumphant about an economically buoyant London of bankers, real estate profiteers (employing foreign construction workers ) ect Johnson is a spokesman for vampire London, stuffed with immigrants and dirty Russian money as the rest of the country is pauperised. By the way, he became a major figure (London mayor) after appearing as presenter of a popular TV show,

    Cameron is not much different, The Conservatives do have a right wing or nationalist opposition to the EU, but the City support behind the move to threaten to leave the EU is bankers who want to leverage to infinity and beyond, and think the French and Germans, should allow them to. The risky speculation is backed by the British taxpayers, but the hedge fund mangers thus backed threatened to leave Britain to avoid 50% income tax on high earners seehere.

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  79. 1917, obviously

  80. FlonerdFlopot was absolutely right. The Faker was softening up his readership for the coming partition of Syria.
    The Faker has always been an FSB propagandist, with countless contradictions (not to say outright lies) in his “analyses”.
    In the end the propaganda served one purpose: promote Putin and the Kremlin.
    The Faker’s garbage went as far as arguing the West led a policy of “white supremacism”. That’s right, the very same West where the white population erodes every single day.
    It baffles the mind to see people still believe in this “Putin the great savior” crap.
    Putin, Obama and Netanyahu have been working together all along. And the main goal has been to weaken Europe and free up space for Israel.
    Keep in mind that even at the height of the “crisis” between the West and Russia, the Kremlin NEVER took any measures against U.S. corporations. Never! In fact, business has been great for Visa, MasterCard, Coca-Cola, etc. in Russia. Oh and Netflix is rolling out its product in Russia. Gotta make sure those Russians get their share of Hollywood crap. It’s obviously a necessity you know…
    The only measures they took were against small European farmers…
    Now, whose special interests does that serve? Ha ha! Is it all starting to make sense now?
    When did Russia take measures to stop selling their natural ressources for a currency in the form of digits on a screen that Wall Street can create ad infinitam at will, huh? When did they take steps to shut down the Rotschild-owned Russian central bank?
    I must say, the whole “Ukrainian crisis” was beautifully staged by Washington and the Kremlin. It was a necessity to neutralize the greatest nationalist force (quickly transformed into “Nazis” by the Kremlin propagandists… Remember that the U.S.S.R. created the whole “holocaust” narrative) they would not suffer any setbacks in their plans to flood Europe with “refugees”.
    And in case the situation went awry in Ukraine, the two great powers made sure Russia would “get back” Crimea to act as a buffer in the underbelly of Easter Europe (where the greatest resistance against the “refugee” crisis was to be expected) to make sure Israel would be safe, by making sure the empire kept full control of the Black Sea.
    Also, why do you people think the U.S. has been sending heavy weapons to Eastern Europe? The “Russian threat” was the excuse. What are the nations seriously revolting against the hordes of invaders, huh? Remember that when the U.S. destroyed the former Yugoslavia, they were siding with Islam. Oh yeah, they were. And slaughtering Christians by the tens of thousands while they were at it.
    And who was sitting idle by, just watching, huh?
    Typical good cop/bad cop script and the world fell for it.
    Remember the conversation between Obama and Medvedev…
    They were just waiting for Obama’s second term.

  81. The EU can use the Russians as a wedge to create a super state. External threat is the reason for existence of states, they cannot come into being (or endure) without it. Look at Germany, for the first time Germany is cocooned within friendly countries, and as the result dismantling itself.

  82. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"]
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    Yes. These things don’t vanish overnight.

  83. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"]
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    I am an engineer. Tell me about it. The UK has been run entirely for the City since the first barrel of oil landed onshore. (Before that there was some lip service to industry). Tax reduction rather than building infrastructure. Russia has had the same problem.

  84. Ignorant nonsense! Have you ever actually been anywhere in Turkey, other than maybe a few tourist attractions? Have you ever actually LIVED in Turkish society, among true ordinary Turks? Sure, the original Turkish invaders mixed considerably throughout the centuries with native Anatolian populations, as well as with various Balkan, Middle Eastern and West Asian-origin people; but the basic North-Central Asiatic, Turco-Mongol geno- and phenotype, although somewhat mutated, is still very evident and mostly dominant in the bulk of the present-day Turkish population.

    And by the way – the original Turkish phenotype is NOT the same as “E Asian phenotypes”. The Turkic peoples were/are part of the Altaic subdivision of the Ural-Altaic racial-linguistic family -cousins of Mongolians, but quite different from East Asians such as Japanese, Chinese etc.

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  85. Hello Mr. SAKER..
    As I said that Mr. Putin will SELL Assad for 100% Crimea, 50% Donbas (federalization in Ukraine), no sanctions, higher OIL-price and perhaps a bonus : the head of Recep the wannabe Sultan, your ICH-”followers” jumped up and yelled like chopped by the ISIS :-)

    A KGB remains a KGB. That means an A++-hole.
    Now be so kind and in the future just sh*t-up when it comes to Putin.

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    All a bit long term. Japan has investment funds at low interest rates NOW.

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  87. This is an outstanding overview of the US-conducted “anti-democracy on the march” in the Arab world. Why the Arabs don’t want us in Syria, by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr: http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/
    “This is the bloody history that modern interventionists like George W. Bush, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio miss when they recite their narcissistic trope that Mideast nationalists “hate us for our freedoms.” For the most part they don’t; instead they hate us for the way we betrayed those freedoms — our own ideals — within their borders.”
    Roots of the current mess in Syria:
    ” In 2009, according to WikiLeaks, soon after Bashar Assad rejected the Qatar pipeline, the CIA began funding opposition groups in Syria. It is important to note that this was well before the Arab Spring-engendered uprising against Assad.
    Despite the prevailing media portrait of a moderate Arab uprising against the tyrant Assad, U.S. intelligence planners knew from the outset that their pipeline proxies were radical jihadists who would probably carve themselves a brand new Islamic caliphate from the Sunni regions of Syria and Iraq. Two years before ISIL throat cutters stepped on the world stage, a seven-page August 12, 2012, study by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, obtained by the right-wing group Judicial Watch, warned that thanks to the ongoing support by U.S./Sunni Coalition for radical Sunni Jihadists, “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI (now ISIS), are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”

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  88. http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/03/httpwwwreuterscomarticleus-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-pullout-iduskcn0wg23c.html#comments

    “Bibi’s pal, Biden in his recent presser in Israel said something like “even Russia has heard the Lord about Syria.”
    Comments section: Nightsticker said… “Col Lang, I think Putin’s statement has to be parsed very carefully. The Russian Navy base in Syria is not leaving. Nor, presumably, the forces necessary to operate it and protect it. This would include some fighter aircraft and the air defense system. I can’t imagine that the training and logistical support to the SAA will be withdrawn, it was there in smaller numbers before the surge. The SOF forces are, as far as I, know not officially there anyway.The Intelligence support does not require a lot of people. The Cease Fire Center personnel will remain. It is not clear to me that all this is going to make much difference on the battlefield.”

    “Outrage Beyond said… To append to Nightsticker’s remarks, I think the key word in the headline is “start.” What does that really mean? Starting doesn’t imply any timetable to finishing. Russia could withdraw a token amount of forces and wait to see if the hidden bargain with the Borg is fulfilled on the other side. It’s all phrased in a way that seems to leave plenty of options for Russia.
    On top of that, Russia has demonstrated considerable cruise missile capabilities, along with the ability to launch airstrikes from Russian bases. Withdrawal or not, those options remain. Putin is talking softly while carrying the big stick.
    Meanwhile, the SAA appears to have plenty of new gear. A number of videos showing T-90s have popped up; and after seeing the post on the Tiger force, I came across various videos of Tiger and/or Cheetah forces equipped with new-looking AK-74s; and using ATGMs to blast jihadis. Those S-400 systems probably aren’t going anywhere, either.”

  89. Umm Hmm…

    So…while “many” Russian warplanes make the 6 hour flight back home, the Russian military bases in Latakia and Tartus will remain open and Russia will continue to ‘observe the ceasefire’ that’s ongoing…

    What exactly is your conclusion from all this utu?

    Just wondering…

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  90. Yes, but if they were enough to make a difference Washington would veto the Japs using them in Russia. Japan is still too much in hock to Washington for the Russians to trust them.

  91. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"]
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    Assad wanted to keep a unitary Ukraine. Not Russia’s strategy at all.

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    The Baathist slaughter of 30,000 Sunni villagers in a morning isn’t a root of this conflict then?

    Any evidence for this CIA involvement? Perhaps the Qataris are capable of intrigue themselves or are Arabs racially incapable of doing things themselves? The CIA that had so few Arabic speakers that they relied on the Israelis to translate their intelligence findings.

  93. “…the CIA that had so few Arabic speakers…”
    There has been a systemic, treasonous disarming of the US military re the Arabists before and during the illegal Iraq War. Among the main activists involved in weeding out the specialists in everything related to Arab world have been the leading neocons (Cheney is a prime example) and ziocons (Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle and such): http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/05/12/selective-intelligencehttp://davidswanson.org/node/756
    One cannot deny the excellence of the review, written by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., of the US anti-democratic activities in the Arab countries. Please take a note, that the review addresses the CIA activities against pro-democracy forces in Arab world on a different time-scale that you have suggested: http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/

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  95. You seem to have forgotten that Boris Johnson has come out strongly for Brexit. Not favoured by most people in the City I think.

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  96. What’s Razib’s take on this? There must be some DNA studies which provide a reasonably accurate idea about Turkish genes today.

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  97. Your third par on Western imperialism is so bizarrely clueless and ignorant that you ought never be considered from regular paid employment by whomever you want to support

  98. Yes, I’ve been to Turkey twice, and traveled from Istanbul to Cappadocia, several areas in the SE region, Lake Van, and Mt. Ararat. Turks (and Kurds) are most definitely not Central or E Asian in appearance whatsoever. Any Mongolic traits would’ve been long gone by the time they reached Anatolia, let alone Europe. http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/476887546-turkish-national-football-team-pose-prior-to-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QdqjmqCy52q2riD%2Fmq%2BNHHR26WBH52BhucEQrvabz8CmGcrxg8eZyytP4pdzcsfQeg%3D%3D

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/c6/20160131210411!Gentile_Bellini_003.jpg

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  99. If we judged the ethnic composition of the whole country by the soccer team’s appearance, we’d conclude that France is in Africa, No ?

    https://androidtvfrance.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/france-android-live-tv.jpg

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  100. Studies show C Asian contribution in Turkey to be very minor https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/europe_y-dna_map_pie-chart.png

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  101. Obviously the W European teams have immigrant contingents, some first generation even. Looking at the Turkish roster, I didn’t see a noticeably non-Turkish name.

  102. [Ahmet Davutoglu, who has become the first Turkish foreign minister ever to visit Uighur Autonomous Region in China, toured historical sites in Kashgar city. Davutoglu and an accompanying Turkish delegation arrived early Thursday in Kashgar in the extreme west of China and the extreme southwest of Uighur region. Davutoglu first visited the tomb of Mahmud Kashgari and then they toured the tomb of Yusuf Has Hajib as well the 500-year-old Id Khah Mosque, the largest mosque in China. "We are visiting the land of our ancestors," Davutoglu said.] (October 2010)

    “We are visiting the land of our ancestors,”

    Türks currently squatting in Asia Minor are invadonomad Uyguroğlar and always will be, despite their contrived appearance.

  103. That’s like saying Indo-European speakers in Europe are Siberians b/c PIE origin is in the Andronovo area. Or the Aztlan theory that Mexicans have a claim the US Southwest. Language =/= race.

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  104. No his fallacy is just to ignore the reality you pointed out to me that Central Asian DNA has been very diluted so that it cannot be said that today’s Turkish speakers ancestors were Turkic nomads. Nitpicking I know.

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  105. Yes it is actually. Many of the most cosmopolitan and creative of the original London based international traders think the French will always use the EU to impinge on the City’s privileges (ie freedom to leverage).

  106. As a rule of thumb, nomadic conquerors will be absorbed by larger settled populations, even if they leave legacy in terms of language: eg I’d guess the Hungarians are more like Slavs than the original nomadic Magyars.

  107. And they would be right to fear that!

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    Russia to date represents a series of missed opportunities for the West, most particularly Europeans. Russia has vast reserves of strategic materials which currently lie in the ground for want of political will and investment, whereas European money and technology properly utilized, i.e. outwith the USZionist swindle, could become part of revitalizing the economies of both and create a politically stable bloc covering most of Eurasia. For that to happen however Europe needs to get seriously real and start down the road to major reform of the EU – which is a whole other
    story. The US is a busted flush growing increasingly desperate and is being increasingly sidelined by real world events , viz Russia’s success in Syria. If Russia is weak economically, it’s potential is enormous and as a corollary to this, as has recently been acknowledged, any military conflict between the US and Russia would see the US swiftly humiliated. So the reason(s) for Russian “weakness” need to be seen in context. Given the attractiveness of the large and growing Russian market it is surely only a matter of time before e.g. Germany or France breaks ranks over the current embargo’s and starts to avail themselves of the benefits of that market. Don’t though expect that the UK will ever wake up; unfortunately my country will continue to slavishly and unashamedly bumsuck the US forever, not having realized that the focus of power in the world has now shifted significantly. The reason for this latter is that the UK’s foreign policy is made in Washington and the US foreign policy is decided in Tel Aviv. Sic transit Britannia.

  109. Absolutely agree, a great comment.

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