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Israeli Prime Minister made it to Kiev today, where he was greeted by the (pseudo) “traditional” Ukronazi slogan “Glory to the Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!”. For somebody like me who dislikes Zionism and Nazism just about the same, it was a sweet irony to see an Israeli Prime Minister officially traveling to the Nazi-occupied Ukraine to commemorate the massacre of Jews at Babii Iar greeted by the very same slogan which the Jews murdered at Babii Iar heard from their Banderite executioners while they were being shot.

STOP!

Do you already hear the choir of voices protesting: how can anyone expecting to be taken seriously write a paragraph about the civil war in the Ukraine with all the following words: Ukronazi, Zionism, Nazism, Nazi-occupied, Jews and Banderite?

That is a very good question.

But I have a better one!

How can anyone expecting to be taken seriously write a paragraph about the civil war in the Ukraine WITHOUT all the following words: Ukronazi, Zionism, Nazism, Nazi-occupied, Jews and Banderite?

Let’s begin with the first question. The obvious implied criticism behind the first question, is very simple and it assumes that there is a profound and inherent contradiction between everything Nazi and Jews/Zionism. Speaking about a “Nazi Jew” or a “Nazi Zionist” is just as nonsensical as speaking about dry water or and diamonds raining from the sky!

Except that both dry water and diamonds raining from the sky do exist in real nature, so let’s not jump to conclusions too fast and see which contradictions are real, and which ones are only apparent.

I won’t even go into the (deliciously controversial) topic of the historical fact of the collaboration of the German National Socialists with various Zionist organizations which, rather naively, thought that a nationalist like Hitler would understand their own nationalism and help them to emigrate to Palestine. But this goes even further than that as Hannah Arendt said, in her superb book “Eichmann in Jerusalem” (see excerpt here or, even better, read the full book (for free!): various Jewish organizations continued to work with/(for?) the Nazis well into the so-called “Holocaust”.

To be honest, I don’t think that we, safely sitting in the comfort of our homes, should be too quick to condemn these Jewish organizations. Yes, of course, many of them were “naive” (and I am being polite here), but others must have realized that European Jews are in a great deal of danger and must be evacuated at any cost and if the only way to achieve such an evacuation was to deal with the Nazis, then so be it! This is no different than offering a bribe to a jail guard to obtain some kind of favor. Thus I think that Jewish organizations which today categorically deny having collaborated with the Nazis are mistaken on not one, but two grounds: first, the truth is coming out and it is impossible to suppress it and, second, there is nothing shameful in swallowing your disgust to save a person. Except that for the racially deluded minds of modern Zionists, such an admission would take the air out of their silly notion of racial superiority. Hence the categorically crimethink nature of speaking about this]

No, what I want to suggest here is very different: in our 21st century, most of the 20th century terminology has lost its meaning. What is a liberal (no, not Hillary!)? What is a Communist (no, not Obama!)? What is a Christian (no, not the Pope!)? What is a democrat (no, not Kamala Harris!)? What is a patriot (no, most definitely not Trump!)? What is a tyrannical dictator (nope, not Putin!)?

You think that I am being facetious here?

Then explain to me how a rabidly Takfiri regime like the one in Saudi Arabia can get help from Zionist Israel? Or how the “democratic West” gave its full support to Takfiris in Chechnia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya and Syria? How is it that during the so-called “Global War on Terror”, (which was supposed to be officially waged against al-Qaeda and its various local subsidiaries, in retaliation for 9/11) the various Takfiri groups only got stronger? Yet what we really see is that the US provides training, financing, coordination and even close air support for pretty much every al-Qaeda type out there?

There are two phenomena which explain this gradual dissolution of meanings into meaningless and insipid categories: first, the correct meaning of many terms has been covered by a thick layer of ideological imperatives and, second, most 21st century politicians couldn’t care less what any word really means. All they care about is framing the discussion in a way which makes it easy for them to obfuscate their numerous crimes.

The truth about the Ukraine is very simple: yes, there are bona-fide Nazis in the Ukraine and, yes, they have a lot of influence due to their quasi monopoly on violence and total collapse of the state. True, these hardcore Ukronazi freaks are a rather small minority, but one which is well organized, well funded and fully prepared to use violence.

There are also a lot of Zionists in the Ukraine. And while these folks silently hate each other, they hate (and fear!) Russia much, much more; just like mobsters can fight each other, but can unite against any common threat (such as, say, an honest police chief).

Oh, and yes, there are also plenty of very influential Jews in the Ukraine (Kolomoiskii and Zelenskii being the two best known ones right now) and they have the full backing of the AngloZionist Empire and all of the Zionists interests in the West. And I think that most folks fully understand that. The real reason behind all the protests about me using terms such as “Ukronazi” stems from a very different cause.

ORDER IT NOW

The problem is that you get a lot of ruffled feathers when you suggest that the US, which is supposed to be some kind of “land of the free and the home of the brave” aka “the indispensable nation” is found in bed with the self same folks who the US propaganda machine paints as arch-villains: Nazis, of course, but also Takfiris. As for the Zionists, it would be wrong to say that the US of A is “in bed” with them. No, it’s even worse: the much-maligned and ridiculed term of ZOG (as in “Zionist Occupation Government”) is much more accurate, but it offends those who rather think of themselves as “rulers of the world” than the voiceless serfs of a regime of foreign occupation!

US Americans love to thump their chests while mantrically chanting some nonsense along the lines of “USA is number 1!” and they get really mad when they are told that “the party is over” which I did in this article in which I wrote:

Both US Americans and Europeans will, for the very first time in their history, have to behave like civilized people, which means that their traditional “model of development” (ransacking the entire planet and robbing everybody blind) will have to be replaced by one in which these US Americans and Europeans will have to work like everybody else to accumulate riches

And, just by coincidence, Paul Craig Roberts recently wrote an article entitled “American Capitalism Is Based On Plunder” in which he explained that US foreign policy is basically driven by a plunder imperative and that if that imperative cannot be realized abroad, it will be implemented at home (I wonder if he will be accused of being anti-American or even of “Communism”? It is quite striking to see a paleo-conservative like Paul Craig Roberts basically paraphrasing Lenin and his statement that “imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism” (a historical truism which the western propaganda system is doing its best to bury, obfuscate, ridicule and the like).

Writing things like these typically result in a barrage of ad hominems which, by itself, is quite telling (usually the same 2-3 folks, some probably remunerated for their efforts) There is a Russian saying that “the hat of the head of the thief is burning” (see here for an explanation of this rather weird expression) and this is exactly what is happening here: the folks protesting the loudest are always the ones who are most unwilling to stop the planetary plunder, messianic arrogance and imperial hubris in which they were raised. It is not only their livelihoods which are threatened by such talk, but even their very identity. Hence the very real and very high level of rage they feel.

Finally, there are all the Nazi sympathizers who absolutely hate Jews and for whom any notion of Nazi and Zionist collaboration are just as much a case of crimethink as it is for Zionist Jews to admit that they have collaborated with bona fide Nazis many times in the past.

However, if we set aside silly ideological shackles, we can immediately observe that the kind of ideology of racial superiority which the Nazis are known for can also be found in the Judaic (religious) and Zionist (secular) ideologies. In fact, both National-Socialism and Zionism are just two amongst many more types of European nationalisms which have their root in 19th century ideological categories.

Let’s try a different approach: what do Ukie “dobrobats”, al-Qaeda forces in Syria, KLA units in Kosovo and Israeli settlers in Palestine have in common? Correct! They are all first and foremost thugs who all prey on the weak and defenseless. In other words, they are the perfect tool to force civilians to surrender and accept some kind of foreign rule. That foreign rule is, in each case, the one of the AngloZionist Empire, of course. This, in turn, means that their official ideologies are almost irrelevant, because in reality they are all servants of the Empire (whether they understand it or not).

Conclusion one: it’s all a big lie!

Yes, it is a big lie. All of it. And this is how we end up with an Israeli Prime Minister who, by any criteria, is not only a Fascist, but also a Nazi as long as we make it clear that his brand of Nazism is a Jewish one, not a Germanic one. And it’s not just Bibi Netanyahu who does not mind dealing with Ukronazis, so the the the Chief Rabbi of Ukraine (see here for details). As for the said Ukronazis, they are now t rying hard to deny that Bandara and his gang massacred Jews during WWII. As for Zelenskii, he is most definitely not a Nazi, but he has already caved in to the Ukronazi ideology (i.e. a form of Nazism which substitutes myths about “ancient Ukrs” to the more traditional Germanic myths about the Aryan-Germanic “race”). Then there is Kolomoiskii who is simply a typical Jewish mobster who has no personal ideology whatsoever and who has no love for the bona fide Ukronazis, but who is being very careful about how to purge them from power lest they beat him yet again. And above them all, we have the leaders of the Empire who use ideological categories as slurs but who don’t give a damn who they back as long as it is against Russia.

Against this background it is worth asking a simple question: do these words even matter? Do they still have any kind of meaning?

Conclusion two: yes, words do still matter!

I believe that they do, very much so! This is precisely why the legacy corporate ziomedia and those brainwashed by it freak out when they see expressions such as “AngloZionist”,“Ukronazi” or even the rather demure “Israel Lobby”. When somebody comes up with a powerful and correct descriptor, say like “ZOG” – the propaganda machine immediately kicks into high gear to shoot down in flames whatever author and article dared to use it. In fact, there are at least two types of wannabe word censors which typically show up:

TYPE ONE: the real McCoy. These are the sincere folks (whether of the Nazi or Zionist persuasion) who are truly outraged and offended that such “hallowed” words as Nazi/Zionist (pick one) can be combined with “abominations” such as Nazi/Zionist (pick the other one). These are all the Third Reich nostalgics, the defenders of a “White Christian West” and all the rest of them neo-Nazis.

TYPE TWO: the paid trolls. These are the folks whose task it is to obfuscate the real issues, to bury them under tons of vapid ideological nonsense; the best way to do that is to misdirect any discussion away from the original topic and sidetrack it into either a barrage of ad hominems or ideological clichés.

Seriously, what we are witnessing today is a new age of censorship in which government and corporations work hand in hand to crush (ban, censor, demonetize, algorithmically purge and otherwise silence) all those who challenge the official ideology and its many narratives. It would be naïve to the extreme to assume that the so-called “alternative media” and blogosphere have been spared such an effort at silencing ideological heresies.

Next time these self-appointed enforcers of the politically correct doxa come out, try this experiment: when you read their comments, don’t just look at what they write, but also try to guess why they write what they write and then mentally place a T1 or T2 sign next to their comments and you will soon see that they follow a careful pattern 🙂

 
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  1. peterAUS says:

    Again, not one word about genuine Ukrainian nationalists.

    Very good.

  2. bluedog says:
    @peterAUS

    And just who are the Ukrainian nationalist,the cookie grubbers or the ones who set fire to the trade building.so which/who are nationalist and in reality what is their purpose,their goal, certainly not to benefit the Ukraine or its people.!!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  3. Biff says:

    TYPE TWO: the paid trolls. These are the folks whose task it is to obfuscate the real issues, to bury them under tons of vapid ideological nonsense; the best way to do that is to misdirect any discussion away from the original topic and sidetrack it into either a barrage of ad hominems or ideological clichés.

    We’ve seen him – he goes by the handle onebornfree

    • Agree: FB
  4. frank92 says:

    silly me i thought the banderites were fighting the stalinist jewish commissars that massacred and starved ukranians. seems saker never read that part. never mentions it. saker belongs to cowardly shopkeeper types who fled communism without fighting and now try to worm their way into russian society, which has never come to terms with their judeocommunist genocidal role, polls show most prefer soviet union.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
  5. Saker

    You can see this comming:

    The POTUS debates between Old Farting BOOMER Granny Elizabeth Warren And Old Farting BOOMER Donald Trump….

    Donald Trump:”Barack Obama and the Democrats allowed VLADIMIR PUTIN to steal Crimea from the Ukrainian People…If I had been POTUS back then…I never would have allowed Russia to annex CRIMEA”

    Elizabeth Warren:”If am elected POTUS…I will bomb the fucking shit out the Russian Military now occupying Crimea!!!!”

    Both Trump and Warren have their adult diapers changed backstage after the debate….

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @PetrOldSack
  6. @peterAUS

    Are you implying that Dmitry Yarosh and the Right Sector/Azov types aren’t “genuine” Ukranian nationalists? Or the Banderists that Saker mentions?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @AnonFromTN
  7. bluedog says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Idiot get off the drugs, and then post something that at least shows a little intelligence.!!!

  8. K. W. says:

    Does The Saker do anything other than name-calling and ideology? Who said that Ukrainian nationalists like Zelenskiy or even Poroshenko? If he’s going to talk about Netanyahu’s visit to Ukraine, why doesn’t he mention Netanyahu’s close friendship with Putin? And did it ever occur to The Saker that Zelenskiy might have invited Netanyahu to confuse the traditionally-jew-wise Ukrainian population and encourage people to think that Israel is their friend?

    Anatoliy Karlin may have Ukraine almost as much as The Saker, but at least he has actual facts and info.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  9. @bluedog

    Yeah…in the meantime, this is exactly how the big nukey…er(That’s how Jimmy Carter would say it)
    BOOOOOOOOOM!!!! is going to occur….An adult diaper wearing Boomer with her liver spotted finger on the button….drooling on herself……head bobbing up and down……..The Road from Woodstock…..it was the shortest path….in a Dijkstra social

  10. What an inane article. “I hate zionism as much as nazism” tells all you need to know.

    Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people who were dispersed to return to their national homeland and to rule themselves.

    That’s it in a nutshell. The nuts who have come out of their shells think it’s something else.

    They think every people have a right to a national homeland, sovereignty and security, except the Jewish people. They think every people can be good, except for the brilliant, high-achieving, kind and generous Jewish people, who, for example, give 35% of all charity in America, even though they are merely 2% of the population.

    They think every victim is due due process, except the Jewish victim. Every victim suffers, except the Jewish victim. All hate crimes are worthy of notice, except hate crimes against the Jews, which are way out of proportion to others. And Israel’s, which is 6/10th of 1% of land across the Muslim world, has too much land and should give it up.

    Oh yes, and they think the Nazis were victims of the Jews, not the other way ’round.

    Whenever you come across a person obsessed with negative portrayals of the Jews as a people or a group, I think the labels, deranged, racist and antisemitic, are absolutely correct.

  11. If he’s going to talk about Netanyahu’s visit to Ukraine, why doesn’t he mention Netanyahu’s close friendship with Putin?

    You, evidently, do not understand the difference between respectful relations between two men in two very different weight categories and a friendship–these are two very different things.

    Who said that Ukrainian nationalists like Zelenskiy or even Poroshenko?

    Why don’t you read about Ukrainian “nationalists” as seen by people of US Army, who train this cannon fodder.

    Secondly, Ukrainian soldiers are lazy slackers who are reluctant to work, they tend to intentionally sabotage any move of their U.S. instructors. Taking into account their greed for money, one has to be aware that Ukrainian military tend to steal and sell anything once they think they have found a good deal. Thirdly, heavy consumption of alcohol is a common event. All Ukrainian soldiers at Yavoriv Combat Training Center drink dangerously high levels of alcohol. With that in mind every time we had to start training with a BAC test. But that was of little help. Drunk Ukrainian soldiers who even couldn’t stand up straight because of the booze were banned from training. Some of the training activities were either canceled or rescheduled. What struck me most is their commanders’ omission with regard to that improper behavior. Their unwillingness to tackle alcohol abuse suggests that they could be immersed in a culture of booze together with their subordinates. Fourthly, most of Ukrainians are poorly educated and of low intellect. The easiest tasks seemed challenging for them. It’s no wonder taking into account that the majority of soldiers come from disadvantaged backgrounds whereas the best part of the population left the country for a better life abroad.

    https://rktracy.blogspot.com/2019/08/ukrainian-soldiers-is-major-weak-spot.html

    This is as much as you need to know about Ukrainian “nationalism” and it is difficult to accuse Colonel Robert K. Tracy of being a Kremlin Bot. Albeit, knowing Ukrainian God’s, Vladimir Putin that is, magic powers, who really knows about this Tracy-guy.

    • Replies: @AP
  12. @K. W.

    Anatoliy Karlin may have Ukraine almost as much as The Saker, but at least he has actual facts and info.

    Completely forgot. You are mistaking two different things, again: hatred and disgust (or squeamishness) are not necessarily same things. You can hate murderers or rapists (albeit this is a everyday part now of Ukrainian “culture”) but can you hate excrement or a sewer? So, I can say that I may hate Ukrainian Banderistas, but Ukraine as a whole can invoke nothing but disgust, or even a condescending pity as it is an ancient Russian tradition to pity whacky beggars at the Church entrance.

    • Replies: @AP
  13. Bandera, whatever one thinks of him, spent most of the war in a concentration camp.

    An inconvenient fact if ever there was one.

  14. @frank92

    These people breach the barrier between tragic and comic when they excuse the genocide of the early thirties by stating that the murderous monsters starved millions of ethnic Russians to death as well.

  15. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry Saker, but you’ve lost all credibility when you welcomed White Genocide “karma” in your previous post. Telling your readership to ignore logic and data by simply labelling its motives as wrongthink is what Social Justice Warriors are trained to do.

    Every other tribe/race is fighting for their own (they never stopped) but we’re unfortunately saddled with too many old white geezers like you who can’t learn new tricks.

  16. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people who were dispersed to return to their national homeland and to rule themselves.

    Well, that’s certainly the narrative. The reality is that Zionism is a political arm of the Rothschilds. The connection between “the Jewish people who were dispersed” and Palestine is extremely tenuous.
    It’s always been about controlling oil coming out of the ME.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  17. So, I’m curious what it is you hate about “Nazism”? Is it the fact that they challenged the international banking cartel?
    Given that there are plenty of videos by people like Leon DeGrelle, who actually lived and understood the movement, explaining what the philosophy was, and and a recent article by Guillaume Durocher on Hitler youth going to study in Japan with samurai, your comment

    we can immediately observe that the kind of ideology of racial superiority which the Nazis are known for

    is nothing more than repeating the official narrative.
    In the 60s, I worked with a number of German immigrants who were in the Hitler Youth. Their complaint was that it was mandatory, but otherwise described it as being a lot like Boy Scouts. The workplace had a large number of Polish, Ukrainian, and Hungarian immigrants as well. If there were people who didn’t get along, it was the Poles and virtually all others, particularly the Hungarians.

    As for Paul Craig Roberts quoting Lenin, why the surprise? Communism if the obverse of the coin from finance capitalism. Both seek to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few. Capitalism decides who has access to and benefits from capital, thereby defining the commune, and in communism the politburo decides what the commune is and who benefits from it. Not surprisingly, both concepts are Talmudic.

    • Agree: GeeBee, Fuerchtegott
  18. peterAUS says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I am saying that there is much more to the Ukrainian nationalist movement than those groups.

    “Are you implying that Serb Volunteer Guard, White Wolves, Serb Radical Party weren’t genuine Serb nationalists”?
    Not all Serbs, I presume, from 90 to 99 were the same type.

    I know that 90 % of people here are clueless beyond hope as to how that game works, but your types?!

    Saker knows what is he doing. Good gig.
    Kremlin believes it knows it. Works as we speak.

    As for Russians in Ukraine, well………..actually, my fault. It’s all multidimensional chess commoners don’t understand. Hehe..sounds familiar to you?.

    You really think it’s different? Really?
    Good.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  19. It could well be true… a form of prophecy.

  20. FB says: • Website

    This isn’t even an article…much less an ‘analysis’…

    Started reading it to find out some kind of take on the Satanyahoo visit…only to see a bunch of verbal diarrhea about nothing having to do with said visit…

    The only good part was the links to info on dry water and scientists’ conjecture that diamonds form from carbon in the atmospheres of the gas giant planets Saturn and Jupiter…

    Next time just post a one-sentence piece containing similar interesting scientific trivia and call it a day…

    How do I get my five minutes back…?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. huwhyte says:

    Saker is a delusional old boomer who hates the idea of White people taking their own side.

  22. Anonymous[607] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    all insults, no arguments. You made his point for him!

  23. SteveK9 says:

    It’s more than a little tiresome to read one more time about how Europeans and Americans never accomplished anything except by exploiting other nations. Really? So, all of that Science, Art, Architecture, Literature, … was all derived by exploiting the natives in … wherever. I suppose Beethoven stole his symphonies from the natives of Bantuland? Probably the only country that ever really got any benefit out of the colonial era was Great Britain.

  24. AP says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    LOL, you are so gullible that you believed that this hacked blog’s claims were real 🙂

    https://www.depo.ua/ukr/life/sayt-depoua-atakuvali-khakeri-201908281018989

    The content should have given it away (occasional grammar slips, unrealistic stuff like the troops ent to be trained by the Americans being drunk all day every day, repetition of every weird Sovok trope about Ukraine such as “Some of them speak only Ukrainian or only Russian, whereas others can only speak Romanian or Hungarian,” – yeah, many soldiers there only speak Romanian lol).

    But thanks for revealing the depth of your Ukraine Derangement Syndrome. It is now obvious that you will believe any nonsense written about Ukraine.

    • Replies: @AP
  25. AP says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    You can hate murderers or rapists (albeit this is a everyday part now of Ukrainian “culture”)

    Ukraine’s homicide rate is lower than Russia’s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

    Ukraine 6.2
    Russia 9.2

    Figures were for 2017.

    Also Ukraine has less than half the rate of Russia’s rapes (although these figures are from 2010):

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

    Ukraine: 1.4
    Russia: 3.4

    but Ukraine as a whole can invoke nothing but disgust

    The second whitest place in the world (after Belarus) that rejected an economic union with Eurasia in favor of Europe naturally evokes such a feeling in you.

    Here is “disgusting” Lviv, the epicenter of Ukrainian nationalism:

    Here is the “disgusting” provincial city of Vynnytsia:

    :::

    No doubt you will find some interesting nonsense in some blogs, that you will believe more than you will your lying eyes from the videos.

  26. AP says:
    @AP

    More about the fake blog believed by the gullible, naive Martyanov:

    https://www.reddit.com/user/AlexanderKovalenko/comments/cwizlr/cheap_fake_by_stranaua_with_lubyanka_roots/

    https://zloy-odessit.livejournal.com/2860938.html

    You owe the Lt. Col. an apology for spreading fake news about him.

  27. Seraphim says:

    Of course words have their importance when used in their proper sense. Bibi is in visit to ‘Khazarstan’ to remind the supposed ‘Ukro-Nazis’ that they must never forget ‘Babi Yar’, although he knows, as the Rabbi Yaakov Dov Bleich, that at the time of the Babi Yar ‘massacre’ hoax, Bandera and leading members of OUN were under arrest in Germany where they spent the rest of the war years in the concentration camp of Sachsenhausen. Germans shot a number of OUN members and cca 1,500 arrested in December 1941.

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @Wally
  28. Truth3 says:

    Oh Saker Faker just STOP yourself.

    Your bullshit attempts to give “Nazi” credentials to the Galician Jewish muscle is disgusting.

    They aren’t National Socialists of any sort. They are Jewish paid for thugs dressed up with SS symbols to make the world think that the Jewish takeover of Ukraine is some kind of Ukrainian Nationalist project, and that these clowns are heirs to the Waffen SS.

    Total Phuquing Horseshit, from a total Phuquing Piece of Shit. Known as Saker Faker.

    Up yours you misdirection asshole gatekeeping stooge. Chew on your shekels you Phuque. Then when your Jew masters insist on you chewing on their 4skins you’ll comply like the bitch you are.

  29. Seraphim says:
    @bluedog

    The ‘genuine’ Ukrainian nationalists are the ‘Zaporizhian’ Cossacks, i.e. the Khazars as per the Bendery Constitution.
    Would you be then surprised that the ‘Menorah Center’ in Dnipro (built by Kolomoisky) is the “biggest multifunctional Jewish community center in Europe or in the world”?
    Or that “Before leaving to Kiev, Netanyahu said that “We have hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens from Ukraine who constitute a living bridge between the two countries, and the link between us is tightening. The president and I will discuss the establishment of a free trade zone and a pensions agreement, as well as a series of other issues that will further strengthen the excellent connection between the two countries.”?
    Or, that Netanyahu said: “We have hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens from Ukraine who constitute a living bridge between the two countries, and the link between us is tightening. The president and I will discuss the establishment of a free trade zone and a pensions agreement, as well as a series of other issues that will further strengthen the excellent connection between the two countries”?
    Or, more ominously that: “Referring to the conflict with Russian-supported separatist groups in eastern Ukraine, Zelensky said his country has “a lot to learn from Israel, especially in security and defense,” according to an official statement”?

    • Replies: @bluedog
  30. Nato covets Ukraine.
    Israel craves Iran.
    Release the force of Bane:
    It’s war to the last man.

  31. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    And Israel’s, which is 6/10th of 1% of land across the Muslim world, has too much land and should give it up.

    Ok, given your own statistics, that is 0.6% of land, as compared to the Muslim world.

    But, consider this;

    The Joo pagan “in-his-image” mangod-worshipping cult consists of 16m unfortunates (so says Wiki).

    Muslim true monotheists are around 1.8b (Wiki again).

    The ratio then is 0.08%. Why do these greedy accursed cultists need over 7 times the land as Muslims?

    Keeping that in mind, also consider this;

    Area of “Israel”: 22,072 km², for a population of 8.7m

    Area of Singapore: 721.5 km², for a population of 5.6m

    Yes, Singapore is getting somewhat congested, but 30x more land? The greedy basterds.

    The entity called “Israel” should give up land it stole… eventually it will, through self-genocide.

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  32. @peterAUS

    I am saying that there is much more to the Ukrainian nationalist movement than those groups.

    “Are you implying that Serb Volunteer Guard, White Wolves, Serb Radical Party weren’t genuine Serb nationalists”?
    Not all Serbs, I presume, from 90 to 99 were the same type.

    Fair enough.

  33. renfro says:

    The author just gave you the NUMBER ONE RULE in reading anything.

    ”..don’t just look at what they write, but also try to guess why they write what they write ”

    I would add don’t just guess, check their back grounds for political or personal agendas.

    • Replies: @Biff
  34. @AP

    Do those numbers include the number of Orthodox Christian Russians murdered in the Maiden coup and the number of Orthodox Christian Russians murdered post-Maiden coup?

    • Replies: @AP
  35. bluedog says:
    @Seraphim

    Thank you for a thoughtful reply,but the next question is will the Ukraine also learn the hatred of the rest of mankind that Israel harbors,the hatred of your neighbors, of anything that’s not in Israels interest,my bet is that they will, which will lead to their own destruction.!!!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  36. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Thanks for the hasbara. You went to some effort to spread it. Total bullshit though. No matter what Zionism tells itself it is an expression of Nazism as it is understood. Indeed in some ways it is worse. A vile apartheid, racist, supremacist and ultimately stolen ideology. It is also temporarily squatting on Muslim lands. There is no Jewish state historically in the region, the original Hebrews blood is disprersed among the Palestinians of today and Khazars don;t belong in the Middle East. Especially ones following the ideology not of the actual teachings of Moses but of the Pharisees.

  37. @anonymous

    Your math is as tenuous as are your facts of history and religion. The Jews were an earlier monotheist faith than Islam – only by 1400 years. Moreover, I have never seen a Jew screaming Allahu Akhbar! before he murders someone who didn’t threaten him. The very last Jew who flew a fully-loaded with jet fuel airliner into a skyscraper never happened.

    The area of Singapore you gave is not the same thing as the area of the Muslim world – which you did not address at all, and which is hundreds of thousands larger than the area of Singapore, a city I walked through in less than a day. Nice try, but such vomit is easily swept up by the cleaning lady. Incidentally, the street food in Singapore is terrific!

    You actually think that all the readers here are stupid.

    That presumption is just as misguided as are your numbers. No wonder Muslims don’t win math contests and Hungarian Jews – supergeniuses – have changed the world: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/26/the-atomic-bomb-considered-as-hungarian-high-school-science-fair-project/

    All the more reasons to hate the brilliant, successful, and the good, eh?

    Not only Islamism, but Nazism too, were the politics of envy and resentment, the creed of ignorance, and the puke of the lowest denominators on the social ladder. And that is why they were joined at the hip since Hitler:

    and

    I have no time to argue with obviously malevolent creatures who hide behind idiotic names and fictitious characters on this website spouting data pulled out of their nether regions (meaning where the sun don’t shine)…… about a subject about which they know as much as I about flying the space shuttle.

    As to the “gent” who suggests the Jewish connection to their land is “tenuous,” I say sure it is. That’s why museums and major collections around the world display Hebraic artifacts and no so-called Palestinian artifacts (meaning no Arab artifacts from an area identified as the former “palestinian territories.” And no, the Philistines were not Palestinians. They were Greeks.

    I speak of the lands of the Hebrews demanded by the Invented People of a Fabricated Nation who migrated there the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries:
    https://www.scoop.it/topic/the-palestinians-the-invented-people-of-a-fabricated-nation

    Put another way, the Jewish connection to their land is about a hundred times more conclusive and solid than the connection of the Europeans to theirs, the Americans to theirs, the Brits, Russians, French, Spanish to theirs. The Arabs from anywhere and everywhere, the so-called “Palestinians,” have absolutely no connection to that same land, but make claims to it as if they had.

    I except the few who have traveled through it, the Bedouin nomads from Saudi Arabia who keep traveling through it freely through North Africa to this day: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen

    The clue to all the above on these thoughts, what clearly has become a neo-nazi conspiracy website, is the question posed by one of the bright bulbs above asking, “What do you have against Nazism?”

    Personally, nothing much, since one of my relatives led the Nurenberg trials as chief prosecutor, and we hung and shot a lot of them, many more we chased down and threw out the windows of hotels around the globe, or poisoned, hacked to death, and garroted, and a lot more we terminated the decades following than is widely known.

    I have nothing against it, but that we deNazified its source, Germany, that has made antisemitism illegal for decades, and to boot, is selling Israel some very nice state of the art submarines capable of stinging Israel’s enemies with some nuclear darts – whomever they may be and wherever they are. YOU, are not safe!

    Even less against Nazism, as I describe in this photo that I caption:
    WHERE ARE YOU NOW ADOLF?

    Lastly, I leave you with a Protestant author of German descent at THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE that will definitely ruin your and your friend’s days and probably lives:

    https://www.aei.org/publication/capitalism-jewish-achievement-and-the-israel-test/

    OVER AND OUT, I LEAVE YOU AND YOURS TO STEW IN YOUR BILE.

  38. Sean says:

    Abba Ahimeir described himself as a fascist, He said “It is not a cathedral to international peace in the name of Bentwich that we need, but a military academy in the name of Ze’ev Jabotinsky”. Bibi’s father was the private secretary of Jabotinsky. His brother was an Israel special forces colonel. killed on the Entebbe raid.

    Ernest Rutherford was first person to realise that a thermonuclear bomb was possible. The key conceptual breakthrough in how to make it work was made by a German Gentile called Klaus Fuchs.

  39. AP says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    If they do, this would make Ukraine’s real homicide rate even lower.

    However, many of the people killed in Donbas are not Christians, but atheist-Soviets. Donbas is the least religious part of Ukraine outside of Kiev City and Kharkiv:

    They are not fans of going to church, but they are fans of Stalin:

    ::::::::::::

    By your words, are you an American boomer who thinks Russia will somehow save him?

  40. Seraphim says:
    @bluedog

    Your question made me think of Mazepa.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  41. @AP

    What is it that you want? War with with Christian Russia? You think Crimea belongs to the Ukraine? Try and take it from Christian Russia…..You couldn’t attempt to do it without US-NATO help….which means the attempt would result in Nuclear WW3…….I’ll let Saker and Andrie comment on Christianity in the D0nbass…..I wouldn’t care if they were majority Athiest….Although I suspect very strongly that you are a liar. Donbass doesn’t belong to Maiden….which is another way of saying belonging to NATO….The US Military….Joe Biden’s sons…..and to (((UKRAINIAN OLIGARGHS)))….

  42. @War for Blair Mountain

    It’s all about Crimea…And a US Millitary occupation of Crimea is a launching pad for another
    (((JEFFREY SACHS))) and (((friends))) gang rape of Christian Russian….that will never happen again…The Russian Military can exterminate Maiden in the blink of an eye….after that GLOBO-HOMO NATO-GLOBO HOMO US MILITARY….These are the very good friends of Maiden…..

  43. AP says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    What is it that you want? War with with Christian Russia? You think Crimea belongs to the Ukraine? Try and take it from Christian Russia

    I hope Ukraine does not take either Crimea or HIV-infested Donbas:

    And Ukraine is, of course, far more Christian than is Russia. Russia is over 10% Muslim, has a higher percentage of atheists than does Ukraine, and has a lower church-going rate than does Ukraine (the stats are lower for Ukraine than they ought to be because they include Donbas):

    :::::::::

    So are you a hopeless American boomer looking for a Russian savior or not?

    • Replies: @GMC
  44. @Seraphim

    Mazeppa – Miroslav Kultyshev – Tchaikovsky Competition 2007 Round 2

  45. @SeekerofthePresence

    I appreciate the technical virtuosity……but I am more impressed with a good rendition of MUSIC FOR A FOUND HARMOMIUM

  46. Biff says:
    @renfro

    I would add don’t just guess, check their back grounds for political or personal agendas.

    I would add, check their bank account; who put the money there?

    • Agree: renfro
  47. Seraphim says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Of course, I was thinking at the treason of Mazepa, which led to the gradual abolition of the Hetmanate.

  48. @peterAUS

    Can you read, silly? There is no such thing, for there is no Ukrainian nation.

    The guy on the right is what passes for Ukrainian nationalism right now:

    • Replies: @Smith
  49. Smith says:

    Yet another Saker artcile with all the “Nazism”, “jews” in Ukraine, with added evil of Zionism (never mind the same Great Zionist Satan also regularly visits “Christian” Russia). Beware the snozze that is leaking from him.

    • Troll: annamaria
  50. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Personally, nothing much, since one of my relatives led the Nurenberg trials as chief prosecutor, and we hung and shot a lot of them, many more we chased down and threw out the windows of hotels around the globe, or poisoned, hacked to death, and garroted, and a lot more we terminated the decades following than is widely known.

    Well we know you aren’t related to Justice Robert Jackson who WAS the Head Prosecutor for the Nuremberg trials.
    You are a Jew so the only person you can be related to on the US team would have been Benjamin B. Ferencz. Who wasn’t even a prosecutor at the major cases at Nuremberg . He was a prosecutor under Telford Taylor the Chief Prosecutor for the ‘separate trials’ held after the main trial, and he had a part in one, the Einsatzgruppen trial.

    You have certainly inherited his dirty character according to this:

    In a 2005 interview for the Washington Post Ben Ferencz revealed some of his activities during his period in Germany by way of showing how different military legal norms were at the time:
    Someone who was not there could never really grasp how unreal the situation was … I once saw DPs beat an SS man and then strap him to the steel gurney of a crematorium. They slid him in the oven, turned on the heat and took him back out. Beat him again, and put him back in until he was burnt alive. I did nothing to stop it. I suppose I could have brandished my weapon or shot in the air, but I was not inclined to do so. Does that make me an accomplice to murder?[8]
    You know how I got witness statements? I’d go into a village where, say, an American pilot had parachuted and been beaten to death and line everyone one up against the wall. Then I’d say, “Anyone who lies will be shot on the spot.” It never occurred to me that statements taken under duress would be invalid.[8]

    It didn’t occur to him that statements taken under duress would be invalid? And he went to law school?
    So we see you have inherited his stupidity also.

    You need to stick to your job at your RB book keeping and tax filing and not wander around spewing your envy and bile and threatening people….someone might take offense and decide gentiles need to be warned away from you and post your rantings on your company yelp reviews and cost you some customers.

  51. Smith says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Funny this is the same thing with the russians, except russian nationalists are put in jail for being CIA plants and muslims roam the street.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine BAD!

  52. Saker

    I just read “The New World Order….” over at The Saker……..

    Trump’s MAGA Jobs Program is about sending Working Class Native Born White American Males…18-22…to die as Canon Fodder in Afghanistan…..to control the trillion dollars worth of mineral resources in Afghanistan….Nothing less than the complete internal implosion of the US will put an end to all this…..so much rancidity…rot…..and decay….America living on borrowed time for sure…..America is already dead….think of ZOMBIES….THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD…..The products of a neoliberal capitalist sysem…..

  53. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people who were dispersed to return to their national homeland and to rule themselves.

    Zionism is a ‘cult’ …built on the Jewish myth of their lost home land….and Herzl’s theory that ‘separation’ from ‘others’ was the only remedy for anti Semitism because when Jews moved into host countries in any number they brought anti Semitism with them.

    The Jews problem is the Jews never really separated from ‘others’….they couldn’t and cant because they cant exist as anything except a poor tribal commune without the commerce and contacts with the 1000 x larger non Jewish world. So anti Semitism still exist and some of it is valid.

    Jews have a bigger nightmare then the 75 year ago German holocaust they cling to .
    The nightmare you should be having is what is going to happen when one day a US President ‘whispers’ to other world leaders…”we are dropping support of Israel, ‘its too much of a liability.’
    That will be the whisper hear round the world.

    First the Isr economy will go , companies and investors will pull out because the US protective umbrella over Isr will be gone and it will be too risky for them to have assets there.
    Then their military will go because they wont be able to buy US weapons without our billions every year. Isr will then have to depend on their inferior weapons manufacturing for their military. That will further add to their economic decline since Isr takes in about a billion a year selling their own manufactured weapons to third word countries and it will have to forgo most of those sales for their own national needs.

    And no, neither China nor Russia will step in to become Isr’s Uncle Sugar , because Isr has nothing to offer they cant get elsewhere, and Isr is such a tiny market it offers no favored trade benefits to them. Isr will have no middle east allies either like Saudi or India , no South American allies, because the only thing Isr ever had to offer other countries was its influence in the US, which will be gone.

    It will happen. The only question is when.

    Stay healthy Americans ,you want to be alive to see it.

    • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  54. Antares says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Thank you for the picture that shows how jews are outnumbered in the Middle East by moslims. Now ask yourself why your so-called ‘people’ had to go there.

  55. renfro says:

    I want to see this guy putting his articles here.

    ______________________________

    ”We are waiting for war”

    Lebanese say Israel has gone too far

    by Andre Vltchek / August 29th, 2019
    ______________________________

    And I am begging unz again to include articles on current events. I like history as much as anyone but they usually turn into endless food fights between anti america or anti Russia or anti Ukraine and etc etc etc…. and on and on.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  56. @Curmudgeon

    I keep on reading “Rothschild” used on UR threads as though the Rothschilds were an entity that could be followed and have its activities described like, say, SCOTUS, or the Israeli/French/Ruritanian government. But the way it is used – and your use is no exception – makes me believe it is a placeholder for something like “great-big-source-of-evil-I-believe-must-exist-but-know-nothing-about”.

    Tell us: do you know anything at all that justifies your asserting

    “The reality is that Zionism is a political arm of the Rothschilds. ” ??

    Do you know anything about the Rothschilds? Have you ever even known someone who has worked for a Rothschild banking institution?

  57. Can someone tell me, with reasons, whether there is any subject that The Saker writes about on which he is likely to say something true which is worth spending one’s time on? His crappy “Ukronazi” verbiage just about gets me to the point of asking what the hell is the point of bringing “Nazi” into discussion of Ukraine in 2019. Yeh. He’s got me just to that point of interest. Presuming he is not, as an earnest political scientist might, referring to some doctrine which is Nationalist and Socialist – and as such intellectually defensible – he must be making a connection with people who are virtually all dead and who were destroyed as a movement nearly 75 years ago. Am I not justified in assessing The Saker’s work as that of a lazy sloganeer with motives of little interest to a UR reader?

    • Troll: bluedog
    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  58. Babi Yar is a total hoax telling jewish fable from the jewish bolshevik era with that silly discredited smear known as Babi Yar which keeps changing stories is pathetic. the 3 Soviet soldiers who burned the dugged up bodies” who escaped the “killing of the witnesses” lie afterwards confirmed NKVD imposters and crisis actors…pathetic “33771” yep the kabbalah number of 33 and 77 mixed with a one for dramatic ming control in this fake story

    No ash piles in the rivineno mass fire damage or pits or track marks in the aerial recon photos…and remember this was after the Katyn recovery also claiming no evidence as the NYT “reporter” onyl 3 allowed at the scene all 3 jewish and them lying claiming only 70k in Kiev after the retaking when post war population stats immediately afterward show 800k

    also the USSR propaganda is all fucked up they before the Germans took Kiev in 1941 claimed all Jews were “evacuated” because the Jews were so special privileged and protected in the USSR they were singled out for protection fuck the rest of the filthy goyim slaves…Babi Yar is and was dioscredited Soviet propaganda, anyone claiming otherwise is insane

  59. GMC says:
    @AP

    I always look at the source of any graph, poll etc. We are in a propaganda war and we can not use these polls. I lived in Ukraine before, during and after the Maidan and have lived in Russia. All this – is about trying to take Russia -Again. As in, the Bolsheviks are alive and well in the US, EU,East EU and Israel. Even some left over in Russia, which is what the others are counting on . Why should it mater if a poll says these people has AIDS or these people go to church – the real deal is – destroy those who speak Russian and can the US,Nato, and the Nazi/Jews take them out in Ukraine. This is what they live for. thanks Unz Rev.

    • Agree: Robjil, ChuckOrloski
  60. @AP

    Vynnitsa….. yes, bring some memories of 1937-38.

  61. GMC says:

    I always look at the source of any graph, poll etc. We are in a propaganda war and we can not use these polls. I lived in Ukraine before, during and after the Maidan and have lived in Russia. All this – is about trying to take Russia -Again. As in, the Bolsheviks are alive and well in the US, EU,East EU and Israel. Even some left over in Russia, which is what the others are counting on . Why should it mater if a poll says these people has AIDS or these people go to church – the real deal is – destroy those who speak Russian and can the US,Nato, and the Nazi/Jews take them out in Ukraine. The Chka are back and they are still – jews- looking for Russians. This is what they live for. thanks Unz Rev.

  62. PeterMX says:

    The author of this article is an idiot. Ukraine now has a full blooded Jew as its president and its previous president, Poroshenko, was partially Jewish as happily reported in Jewish and/or Israeli newspapers at the time. Jews also dominate the other top posts in the gov’t. I just returned from Kiev. Previously I was in Lviv. The Ukrainians, generally a happy and friendly people, are completely impervious to being dominated by Jews, and there is no doubt in my mind the Jews dominate the Ukrainian media now too, in addition to the gov’t. There was an article a few years ago on how the Jews acquired the Kiev Post.

    When I was in Lviv I met a thoroughly indoctrinated Ukrainian in Lviv. She visited Israel and was a great admirer of the Jews, and hated the Germans. She said something revealing her sympathies with the Jews over the Palestinians too and she said she believes Jews are a superior people. Some time after I informed her of Russian President’s speech on Jews dominating the USSR gov’t (still available for viewing on YouTube) and Nobel Prize winner Solzenitsyn’s comments on Jews leading role in the communist gov’t, she called me an “anti-Semite” and tried to slander me on a internet media website. Some NAZI she is.. This, like all the other idiots there are completely oblivious to the fact that they are dominated by the grandsons of the people that murdered millions of them a little over 80 years ago. And The Saker appears to be the same. Although the largely run Jewish mainstream media (people like CNN’s president Zucker) hate Putin and Russia and created a ridiculous conspiracy theory slandering Putin and Russia as installing a Russian friendly US president and neo-con Zionist Jews like Victoria Nuland, the US Assistant Secretary of State was taped revealing her key role in selecting Ukraine’s Jewish president Poroshenko years ago, the president that began Ukraine’s anti-Russia policies, the idiot that wrote this article and so many others can’t get it thru his thick head that organized Jewry hates Putin and Russia, almost certainly for it’s traditionalist, pro-Christian stance and Russia’s pro Syria/Assad policies among other things.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  63. Beware russians, the jews are coming again!

  64. Smith says:

    Modern russian government are bullies who disguise themselves to be victims.

    You can check their victimhood right here.

    Russian being forced to speak Ukrainian in Ukraine = another shoah.
    Cantonese being forced to speak mandarin in Hong Kong/Canto = natural as it should be, CIA plot if anybody says otherwise.

  65. Seraphim says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Had someone ever tested a Chateau Mouton Rothschild? Hardly when a bottle sells for $2,000. A Chateau Mouton Rothschild 1945 went to auction for $23,000!

  66. Robjil says:
    @PeterMX

    It is games. “Neonazism” was used to get the Ukraine for Israel/US. The “Neonazism” was Banderism.
    It was the hook. Pro-Israel stuff was later thrown after the take over for Israel/US interests.

    The real hook Pro-Israel stuff is what you are seeing now in Israel/US ukraine. This Israel/US ukraine is not independent for anything. It votes at the UN mostly whatever what Israel/US wants. It has no brains of its own; only what Israel/US wants.

    It was born with a blessing from the coup leader, Nuland, a Zion J – F–k the EU. This was a sign that it was all for Israel.
    This Nuland could never say – F–k Israel. She could certainly say – Fuck the US. Since the US is very similar to the EU; a nothing compared to Israel.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  67. @peterAUS

    Haha. Troll & crypto-hasbarist, Dirty peteyAUS, opens The Saker article thread by complaining: “Again, not one word about genuine Ukrainian nationalists. Very good.”

    In previous U.R. article threads, one can revisit & read how Amerikan militarist & wannabe Israeli nationalist, Dirty peteyAUS, took his model of the IDF’s fast & furious and “ruthless” approach to serve as ZUS’s policy effort at providing for the present (non-existent😟) national southern border defense.

    Summary: Dirty peteyAUS’s bienvenido M.O., his Zio-Nazi rules-of-engagement for the defense of my “Homeland’s” imposter ZOG:
    Do the nationalist “Might Makes Right” (Israel-thing) as soon as the whites of brown caravan eyes get close to the Rio Grande!

  68. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Um you changed laws that made rape legal and you creatures defntly completely own America in fact I’d say we more Jewish then Israel what did the South Africans ever do to you monsters? They in fact helped you with your nukes you assholes think the sub-humans aren’t seen a white people lol

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  69. Saker

    Last weekend my brother and I were taking photos over at Horton’s Point Light House….I was hoping that there be Humpback Whales breaching in the Sound……..I heard Russian being spoken behind me…..Three Russian Guys behind me who came there to take photos also…So I said:”You Guys from Russia?”…Response:”Yes we are…”…..Two brothers who are dentists…the other one an emergency room MD….”…The two brothers are dentists from Crimea…one of the brothers is a dentist in Novosibirsk…which he told me is in Siberia……All three told me that the Long Island North Shore looks like Crimea….from the photos I have seen of Crimea certain places most definitely do such as Horton’s Point Lighthouse and Wildwood State Park….

    The POUTS debates fall 2020:

    Donald Trump:”Obama gave Crimea away to Russia…I would have bombed the shit out of the Russian Military….”

    Elizabeth Warren:”bombed?…..I would have fucking nuked the bastards!!!!”

    You know Saker…quite possibly we are doomed….

    • Replies: @renfro
  70. AL CIADA aka ISIS were created and are funded and supplied by Israel and the zio/US and zio/Britain and zio/NATO to destroy the mideast for zionist Israel and all the zionists worldwide whose dream and goal is the conquering of the whole mideast and the world.

    Hitler and the nazis were funded by the zionist owned FED and Wall Street and various companies of the MIC including Standard Oil and Dupont, see the books The Crime and Punishment of I. G. Farben and Trading With the Enemy by Charles Higham, and Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony Sutton, and go to the site henrymakow.com, etc., etc..

    Without the funding by the zionist banking kabal Hitler could never have come to power and so the blame for the deaths of the Jews in WWII lies at the feet of the zionists!

    In regards to Netanyahu he is a war criminal running the criminal government of Israel backed by the zionist controlled criminal zio/US government, all one big criminal syndicate!

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  71. Wally says:
    @Seraphim

    Hapless Saker says he’s opposes Zionism yet does their bidding:

    “For somebody like me who dislikes Zionism and Nazism just about the same, it was a sweet irony to see an Israeli Prime Minister officially traveling to the Nazi-occupied Ukraine to commemorate the massacre of Jews at Babii Iar greeted by the very same slogan which the Jews murdered at Babii Iar heard from their Banderite executioners while they were being shot.”

    Good try, Mr. Indoctrinated, Babi Yar is an easily demonstrated fraud.

    recommended:
    Babi Yar: The [alleged] Einsatzgruppen ‘Killings’: http://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
    and:
    http://www.unz.com/?s=babi+yar&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  72. Smith says:

    “Nazism”? Zionism? All fancy word to rile up russians.

    The world is up to kill russians, you see? So all you have to do is to vote for Putin. Luckily, actual russians do not think so.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  73. Robjil says:

    The photo is quite funny and sad.

    Two top J??s looking into each other eyes.

    Nethie – I got the center of earth -Israel. King of the J??s

    Zelie – I got Ukraine as a J?? and for the J??s

    Zelie- Thanks to the New Queen Esther/Victoria Nuland – Queen of the J??s

    Nuland says to both of them – Glory to Israel

    and F–k the US and the EU and every so-called nation on earth except Israel.

    I use ?? because I can’t figure why this is happening in our time. It is so bizarre and sad.

  74. @Wally

    Haha. Hypocrite & Judge/Jury Wally opined: “Hapless Saker says he’s opposes Zionism yet does their bidding.”

    🙄.

    As a featherweight CODAH-organ, Wally, opposes Zionism, but he lauds tRump’s “many accomplishments” which includes The Chosen One’s being “the best he could be,”* and perpetuate the Holocaust power.

    Haha. In contrast to the honorable Saker, Wally will be quick to assert that he “owns” me. 🙄

    * During the 1990’s, the US Army recruiting jingo was, “Be all that you can be & join the Army!” Shall Wally be all he can be and enlist into tRump’s Space Force? 🇮🇱

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Wally
  75. Saker is a troll who is pooping with cliches and schizophrenic word diarrhoea to earn few rubles. really writing not worth the money (however cheap he is); it offends intellect of readers and evokes loathing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Truth3
  76. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Perhaps you should have a peek at your precious Talmud. Then you can pull that log out of your eye before you try a pick the speck out of everyone else’s.
    http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  77. renfro says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Elizabeth Warren:”bombed?…..I would have fucking nuked the bastards!!!!”

    I think you must have made that up. I have searched every speech, interview and comment she has made in public and can find nothing that has ‘fucking’ or ‘nuked’.

    If you have a source for that produce it.

  78. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Am I not justified in assessing The Saker’s work as that of a lazy sloganeer with motives of little interest to a UR reader?

    Yes re the former; no re the later.
    He does have a niche here. Those people need him.
    Good gig.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  79. @War for Blair Mountain

    Both Trump and Warren have their adult diapers changed backstage after the debate….

    Telltale, same scenario always. What cannot is Trump or Warren to talk directly to Putin. There has to be “experts” as in-bet-weens (know betters, that take fees and steer the narrative).

    Telltale, why not broadcast a public session of Trump-Putin, or Warren-Putin? Why the need for anal extraction, if a straightforward conversation on public media would give the commoner a fair idea of the state of the world. The process amounts to programming with a pencil.

    Of course, that would make for obsolete experts, would betray who really commands, would no longer allow for lies and inconsistencies.

    There are two limits to human nature, bottom, the common working class, top, the incompetent elites. The bridging, cajoling, muddling in between is done by the middle class Jewish blockheads. What a nihilistic world.

    • Agree: Robjil
  80. I see the CIA’s Infinite Monkeys On Infinite Typewriters program has produced another blurb.

    I see also the CIA’s Infinite Monkey-Trolls program has generated the appropriate response.

  81. @Wizard of Oz

    Rothschilds will be remembered in history as first global financiers (pater familias, actually); then, because of the Balfour Declaration. And I think they financed many buildings in Israel, including Parliament/Knesset (I’m not sure about that).

    Culturally, apart from their lavish life-style, they appear as symbol of power in Dostoevsky’s Adolescent/Raw Youth & are ridiculed in Proust’s “Search” (alright, he did it to all aristocracy).

  82. @Wizard of Oz

    To be honest, at least 50% of articles at UNZ are lunatic. Saker is not alone.

  83. @renfro

    And I am begging unz again to include articles on current events. I like history as much as anyone but they usually turn into endless food fights between anti america or anti Russia or anti Ukraine and etc etc etc…. and on and on.

    Dead fare is good fare. Cannibalism is a must if the world cannot eat it’s own dead, there will be no place left to warry(worry).

  84. PeterMX says:
    @Robjil

    Bandera was a Ukrainian hero according to Ukraininan nationalists, but Ukrainian nationalists have no say over their own gov’t policies. And why shouldn’t Bandera be a Ukrainian hero? The Jews and the Soviet gov’t murdered millions of Ukrainians. And why shouldn’t the Ukrainians, Belarussians, Latvians and Estonians all welcome the German army as their saviors and take up arms with them? The lies of the Jewish / Commie narrative of WW II falls apart when the films of the common folk of these peoples are seen welcoming German soldiers as their liberators. But idiots like The Saker can still call everyone a “NAZI” to insult them, intimidate them and shut them down. That is the real “N” word with power. It’s an insult to all Germans and its perfectly acceptable to use in any setting, whereas the “N” word directed at blacks can’t even be written out, and if it is ever used publicly the person using it would have to be very stupid. It gets him nothing.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  85. Robjil says:
    @PeterMX

    I understand. When Banderism is used in today’s world, it does not make any sense. Russia is on the good side of history now. If Bandera was alive today, he would join Putin’s Russia.

    Banderism of the WWII era was quite primitive.

    They called Soviet troops Colorados; Colorado Beetles to be squished. The Bandera crazies of today take up the same term to mean all Russian people in Ukraine or pro-Russian people. Russian people of today have nothing to do with the mid 20th century Soviets.

    The Bandera massacres of Polish civilians was wrong.

    Saker uses the N word because it comes up a lot in Banderism. Nazi symbols are used a lot by them. There was even a Paris fashion photo op of Banderists wearing Nazi symbols.

    Nazism has been demonized after WWII, so it quite shocking that now it is OK because it fits Israel/US Regime plans. In other words, our rulers are telling us that the bad “Nazis” were not so bad if Nuland is not afraid of them. The big 6 was not so big after all.

    Well, we are all learning. All the Allies were working for the Zionist agenda. Germany had no chances of “winning”. It was pinned from both sides of the continent.

    The world is quite complex. Zionist have a lot fun mixing things up. One has to keep their eyes on the prize. The prize is to keep the world free of destructive Zionist control in our time. Russia has many J Oligarchs but it does not allow them to have Zion destructive agendas to take hold of Russia. The west allows J Oligarchs to do the most destructive pro-Zion agendas to plow through every Zion ruled west “nation” and every single poorer nations outside the west like they are dirt.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @Seraphim
  86. Bibi cares about ordinary Jews no more than his co-tribesman Ze. Not to mention that Ze is not an independent player, but a puppet of another Bibi’s co-tribesman Kolomoisky, who is just as cynical and self-absorbed as Bibi.

  87. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Are you implying that Dmitry Yarosh and the Right Sector/Azov types aren’t “genuine” Ukranian nationalists? Or the Banderists that Saker mentions?

    If by nationalists you mean people who care about the nation, the answer is a resounding “No!” These are mercenaries, traitors serving the highest bidder, who organized clinical idiots to serve as cannon fodder. No enemy ever did as much damage to Ukraine (meaning the majority of Ukrainian populace) as these self-appointed “nationalists” and “patriots”.

    • Replies: @Smith
  88. Calling Ukies Nazis is indulging their self-flattering delusions of grandeur. If we are to compare different kinds of scum, Ukies are as much below Nazis as cockroaches are below snakes. They have only one thing in common: both are disgusting.

  89. Herald says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You tell us you know nothing about the Rothschilds, so why not do your own research and then tell us all what you have discovered?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  90. Smith says:
    @Robjil

    Lawl, this is literally Russia GOOD talking point, if they are good, they would not divide Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @PeterMX
  91. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The ukrainians do not believe so, yid.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  92. @Smith

    There is a huge difference between Ukrainians and Ukies. The former are human, the latter are not.

    As to your “yid”, you missed the mark (habitually, like in everything you post).

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Smith
  93. Anonymous[607] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonymousUkr

    Bravo! You have very thoroughly debunked every single argument of his.
    NOT!
    Bwahahahaha!

  94. PatrickB says:

    1. Saker may play a patriotic Rusian only in the Anglosphere or generally in the West. In Russia he has no credibility. He worked for the Great Satan against the Russian Empire (USSR at that time).
    Would a smart Russian patriot work for the enemy of the Russian Empire? Probably all of us had been deceived but Saker is not a Messiah for sure. He betrayed the country – this is the Russian point of view. He is far away from modern Russian culture. After the USSR collapse Russians did not come back to the Orthodox mumbo-jumbo despite the efforts of their authorities willing to exploit religious dellusions of the masses to maintain social order (Romanov style). Saker’s religiosity would be rather odd in Russia.

    2. Saker uses cliches like „Ukronazi” or „Nazi” in Ukrainian context without understanding the phenomenon.
    All „Nazism” or „Banderism” or „Neobanderism” in Ukraine is an ideology developed by Jews. They worked in this field for decades. One important Russian talking head Andrei Fursov claims that Banderism is promoted in the Ukraine since 1960s. Ukrainian diaspora, Canada and CIA were active in this field.

    3. Was Bandera Ukrainian? Term „bandersha” (бандерша) in Russian means brothel-keeper and I’ve heard that was profession of Bandera’s mother. Slave trade and sex business is an ethnic profession. Anyway – all „elites” in this region of Europe enjoy overrepresenation of Jewish people for at least 3-2 centuries (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Juden_1881.JPG).
    And racism is a famous Jewish obsession (below).

    4. Modern Banderism is financed by Jewish oligarchs. Simple research. Wikipedia entry for Igor Kolomoyskyi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi
    ///In April 2014 Kolomoyskyi offered a bounty for the capture of Russian-backed militants and incentives for the turning in of weapons.He also is believed to have spent $10 million to create the Dnipro Battalion,and also funded the Aidar, Azov, Dnepr 1, Dnepr 2, and Donbas volunteer battalions.///

    Simple Gugle search for „AZOV swastika” shows results: https://www.google.com/search?q=azov+swastika&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB4pS96LDkAhXSpYsKHWeWCBYQ_AUIESgB&biw=1536&bih=760

    Saker forgets to mention that all the Nazi propaganda in Ukraine was promoted by media controlled or owned by Jewish oligarchs. Nazi death squads (eg. Azov) were financed by Jewish oligarchs, Kolomoyskyi – largest thief in the country – is just a perfect example.

    This is an ad from a bank (PrivatBank) Kolomoyskyi had stolen in the past, picture from the headquarters in Dnepropetrovsk:

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5301/167229822.b1/0_e795d_595e5223_XXL.bmp

    Ad says that they offer $10.000 for a Russian. All anti-Russian hysteria in Ukraine was developed by Jewish groups of interests.

    5. Nazi ideology of racial superiority was copied from the Holy Bible and Holy Talmud. Prophet Ezekiel teaches that „Jews are humans” (Ez 34:31, https://sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/eze034.htm#031)

    //31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.//

    Saint rabbies in the Holy Talmud explain that the only word missing in this sentence is ONLY (ONLY you are men). This thesis is confirmed several times in the Holy Talmud (Baba Mezia 114b as an example – /only ye are designated ‘men’/, http://halakhah.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html).

    This tradition is not so strong in the Orthodoxy (they don’t read the Holy Bible, or – if read – don’t understant it) but Jewish „racial” supremacy is strongly backed by the „Word of God”, Judeochristian god.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  95. @Herald

    Are you just pretending to be dim and lazy. I didn’t say I know nothing about the Rothschilds. In fact I guess I know more than 99 per cent of UR Commenters and knew quite well a distinguished Jewish academic who was put in a very senior position in the (a) Rothschild bank because there were differences between the senior Rothschilds. So I am really being excessively polite and patient in asking for some evidence that the Rothschild obsessives know anything.

  96. @peterAUS

    Koala stamp for actually reading what was written closely enough to be able to give that yes & no. Not universal here by any means 🙂

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  97. @Robjil

    Profoundly, Robjil stated: “The world is quite complex. Zionist have a lot fun mixing things up.”

    👍! Am convinced there are exclusive & diabolical fun parties going on, especially after 9/11. Thank you.

    Of course, Zionists know how “Russia has many J Oligarchs,” and their Big Prize would be a speedy return to a Yeltsinesque Russia.

    Although present doability appears nil, what do you think, Robjil? A defanged & Putinless Russia 🇮🇱 is the relentlessly pursued endgame prize?

    Will the bleedin’ and sanctionin’ ZUS💰& Israel attack The Islamic Republic of Iran while Russia remains a mighty nuclear Superpower obstacle? Methinks the anxious & desperate Supremacist Jews & their Shabbos goy facilitators are even having “fun” (shits & giggles) with this dreadful scenario.👺

    P S.: Am glad you are boycotting & desisting from exchanges with shallow Sean. Too bad passionate & straight shooting others have yet to learn.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @K. W.
  98. Seraphim says:
    @Robjil

    One can see again the ‘importance of words’, or rather the Orwellian manipulation of words. Why, whenever attention is drawn to the fact that Bandera and the OUN leadership have been detained in concentration camps in Germany, that numerous ‘Banderaists’ have been executed by the real Nazis for their fight for Ukraine’s independence, a studied silence descends on discussions.
    The fake ‘nazi’ coloring is probably meant to attract the ‘white warriors’ of the ‘Third Position.’

  99. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Israel/US got most of Ukraine. Israel/US ukraine is not an independent nation; it is satrap of Israel/US.

    At least Crimea is free to be what ever they want to be with Russia.

    Donbass, is trying its best to free itself from the Israel/US ukraine satrap contraption. Good for them and our planet.

    • Replies: @Smith
  100. K. W. says:
    @AP

    Well said, good info AP. I’m an American who has lived in Ukraine (mostly Kyiv, but have traveled around the Western part of Ukraine, visiting L’viv, Chernivtsi, Ivano-Frankivsk, and Bukovel’) and found it overall to be quite a nice country, albeit poor (thanks (((oligarchs)))!). I have heard that some parts of Russia have staggering pollution problems (especially Far North cities where metals are mined and smelted, e.g. Norilsk), though perhaps Russia has better infrastructure overall (having large oil/gas and precious/semiprecious metal resources, neither of which Ukraine has, certainly helps)

    • Replies: @AP
  101. annamaria says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    “Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people who were dispersed to return to their national homeland and to rule themselves.”

    — The majority of Jews do not want to live in the Jewish State. Therefore, your statement is not true. Some Jews even prefer the former Soviet states to the “bliss” of living among the hate-filled Haredim and supremacist lunatics like Avigdor Lieberman and Natan Sharansky.

    The state of Israel (and the Israel-occupied territories of Palestine in particular) make a showcase for a general understanding of who the Jewish people really are. The words “deranged and racist” describe pretty well the terrorist governments of Israel.

    The whole edifice of “eternal victimhood, special sufferings, and superior morality” has been irreparably damaged by the facts on the ground in the Middle East.

  102. K. W. says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    While ZOG may not be 100% happy with Putin, most of his personal friends are Jews (e.g. the Rotenberg brothers); Putin is also quite friendly with Chabad Lubavitch Jews, and has even stated he “prays” for the Jewish Temple to be rebuilt! Even Jewish oligarchs like Abramovitch who previously crossed him have gotten back into his fold. This is not to say that ZOG likes Russia’s continued support of Iran (no doubt they would love to buy Russia off from supporting Iran).

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  103. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Well….I guess it pays well to, carefully, read what people coming from your “layer” wish to share around here.

    Hehe….not necessarily to agree with some of it, of course, but, quite beneficial to read and process.

    • Replies: @Begemot
  104. annamaria says:
    @Smith

    “actual russians do not think so.”

    How do you, the self-proclaimed Vietnamese, know so well what the Russians think and want? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48674705
    “the pollsters asked specifically whether or not they trusted Mr Putin” — 72.3% answer in positive.

    • Replies: @Smith
  105. annamaria says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Mr/Ms Smith seems to be a regular hasbarist (a self-proclaimed “Vietnamese,” no less) with a very special understanding of Hong-Kongers, Russians, Ukrainians… The expertise is expressed with the help of peculiar vocabulary that suggests that Mr/Ms Smith could be an Israeli of soviet descend.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @AnonFromTN
  106. Smith says:
    @annamaria

    Because polls are correct right? In yet another poll (and protest):
    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/russia-protests-up-putin-approval-ratings-down-by-andrei-kolesnikov-2019-07

    I do not trust poll and never will.

    No russians want war with Ukraine, no russians want more bloodshed while their home bleeds for more nonsensical wars because the Amerijews want to get them.

  107. Smith says:
    @Robjil

    LOL Crimea is free to run back to Russia, that’s the FREEDOM for Crimeans, to run.

    While people in the so-called Ukraine puppet state lives on and struggles on, that’s ACTUALLY good for them and our planet.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Robjil
  108. @K. W.

    Hey K.W.!

    Am afraid hell is coming to Iran, Syria, & Lebanon, either with Russian approval or without.

    Thanks for your having the informed guts to “call it” as you see it, K.W..

    • Replies: @Smith
  109. Smith says:
    @annamaria

    Ah yes, here comes the accusation but I’m an actual vietnamese male, and proud of it. The fact I make chicom yid like you seethe gives me the tingle.

    Once again:

    HONG KONG BELONGS TO CHINA = 100% certified thoughts free of Amerijews.
    CRIMEA BELONGS TO UKRAINE = HOLY SHIT, CIA PLOT, EVIL ISRAELI JEW OF SOVIET DESCENT, HOW DARE YOU? YOU DARE YOU!

    I can’t imagine the thought of saying PALESTINE BELONGS TO ISRAEL here, that’s gonna trigger the fuck out of you I think, because Israel = racist “apartheid” state, but China = NOT racist “apartheid” state. When Israeli kills and imprisons arabs, it’s evil and racist, when chinese kills and imprisons uighurs, it’s NOT evil and racist.

    Loving. Every. Laugh.

    • Replies: @anon
  110. Smith says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Russia has said times and times again that it will defend Israel if Iran decides to attack first:
    https://www.debka.com/russia-israel-will-defend-iran-attacks-also-defend-irans-presence-syria/

    This is why Russia is smart and randomly switches between EVIL ZIONIST SCUM and UBER ANTI-ZIONIST ALLY depending on which side they supports.

    I pray that the arabs and yids sort it out between themselves for mutual destruction, they deserve each other.

  111. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Ukies are the slurs used by yids to demonize ukrainians, so nah, I do not think I miss the mark, yid.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  112. @Smith

    I do not think

    To think one needs a special device called brain. What’s more, one needs a particular structure of that special devise (say, mouse brain is not particularly conducive to thinking, even though compared to fish mice are geniuses). To the best of my knowledge, trolls are not encouraged to think – they might lose their pay that way. So, keep working in your gainful employment.

  113. @annamaria

    If s/he/it is Vietnamese, I am the Emperor of the East. Unless s/he/it is working for the State Department. Then his/her/its origin makes no difference.

    • Replies: @Smith
  114. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Yeah, I do not THINK so, mr. Yid. Nice passive-aggressive coping.

    And I wonder what will you do when you find out I am vietnamese male living in Việt Nam? Khấu đầu tạ tội perharps?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  115. Wally says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    – Notice that Clueless Communist ChuckOrloski has no answers to the debunking of the fake Babi Yar claims, which is my point here, which he dodged of course.

    – But then in his small brain Communists could not / cannot do no anything wrong.
    If his Comrade Stalin said so, then for ChuckOrloski, it must be true. LOL

    – A flawed Trump is much better that the alternative, simple stuff that Chuck never mentions, and notice that the clueless & spineless ChuckOrloski never states who he supports politically. He still yearns for the good old days of Stalin. LOL

    – The fact is that everyone owns clueless Communist ChuckOrloski, he has no rational response to anything. He’s got a serious case off the Trump Derangement Syndrome and never met a Communist he didn’t like. LOL

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @renfro
  116. Smith says:
    @Wally

    Oh boy you praise Trump, prepare to be called a zionist satanist here in this “Christian” Russian board (that wishes death for their christian ukrainian brothers while acting as THE victim).

    • Replies: @anonymous
  117. AP says:
    @K. W.

    Thanks.

    I visit Russia and Ukraine on occasion. Moscow is its own world, easily as wealthy and nice as any place in the West (nicer even – cleaner, fewer third worlders, I’d take Moscow over New York).

    Outside Moscow there isn’t a huge difference between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine is poorer, so cheaper. Noticably worse cars, fewer stuff like iphones, people dressed more cheaply. But the differences aren’t so great that one feels like one has stepped into a different world.

    • Replies: @K. W.
  118. renfro says:
    @Wally

    What country do you live in?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  119. Begemot says:
    @peterAUS

    Eating is good.

    Sleeping, also.

    Chancey Gardner is exasperating. But then, you knew that. Hehe…

    quite beneficial to read and process.

    Quite.

  120. @Smith

    Smith,

    It was a question would Crimea be NATO’s or Russia’s aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. And I read you want Hong Kong to become USA’a aircraft carrier in the South China Sea. Oh … and then there’s the people. I guess you ask the US people do they want immigrants pouring over their border do you?

    • Replies: @Smith
  121. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Andrew G. Benjamin,

    Are you going to help Europe to free itself from the scourge of Islam? Or are you waiting for Europe to become majority Muslim to unleash the Samson option on its capitals? But by then the Muslims would have got their hands on those British and French nukes. Are your influential Israeli politicians and your Zionist Jewish intellectuals and rabbis in Europe working overtime to get European rulers to stop the flood of Islamic immigrants and to commence mass deportations and repatriations? Well get on with it man? Pronto!

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  122. Smith says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I think Crimea should belong to Ukraine and neither the USA or Russia, Crimea does not have enough identity to become its own country (all the russians in Crimea just want to go back to Russia!), just give Ukraine back nukes.

    And no, I don’t want Hong Kong to become USA’s aircraft carrier in the East Sea (that’s how we call it in Việt Nam), but I don’t want Hong Kong to become China’s aircraft carrier in the East Sea either! So autonomy here we go.

    And no, I ask if the nice people from Beijing would accept the immigrants from the US since China is not a “racist apatheird” state, unlike the US & Europe.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  123. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    It is. Crimea was a mousetrap for Israel/US. They wanted a base in Crimea. The Israel/US had plans for a huge ZUS base there. The main thing for ZUS in Ukraine was Crimea. ZUS is still endlessly crying about their great loss of Crimea. It was very, very good that ZUS had a least one big loss in the last 10o years. The first big win for humanity since the Fed of 11/23/13.

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=2bb691b61c59be3a68180bd8c614a0cb&_cview=1%E2%80%9D

    ZUS was planning to fix up the base in the fall of 2013. The Chocolate King protests started on 11/21/13. Nuland’s Kiev coup was on 2/22/14.

    Synopsis:
    Added: Sep 05, 2013 2:58 am
    The purpose of this request for proposal is for the design and construction for the renovation of Sevastopol School #5 in Sevastopol, Ukraine in accordance with the attachments.

    Crimea voted to go back to Russia on March 18 2014. Look what happened to the plan.

    Added: Apr 15, 2014 5:18 am

    Due to the current climate in Ukraine, the subject solicitation is hereby cancelled.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  124. @renfro

    renfro politely asked Wally: “What country do you live in?”

    Hey renfro!

    Fyi, months by ago, the tRump cheerleader & CODAH (graduate by the skin of his pearly white choppers),😏Wally, indicated he’s domiciled in a safe Zio American town where, ehem, the skies are not blue & white cloudy & Epsteined all day.

    Regrettably under sway of the tRump & Kushner Family mystique, Wally’s house was struck by endarkened Jewish Lightning, and he gleefully went down like Yevtushenko’s poem, “Babi Yar.”

    The “I own you,” Wally, 🙄thinks there was a tangible & meaningful (“America First”) exercise of foreign policy difference & benefit in Amerika’s having gotten stuck with Adelson’s “The Chosen” tRump rather than Soros/Haim Saban’s Cackling Queen Hillary as preZident. *

    This will be news to Wally:
    No matter where he lives in our Zionized “Homeland,” Wally, an avatar of CODAH chutzpah,👍 is stuck inside a shantytown on the outskirts of Mar a Lago. He waits for Jewish Lightning to strike the 2020 diebold election ballots, & give “The King of the Jews” 4 more years in D.C.’s Blue & White House.

    Sorry to intrude, renfro, but endarkened Wally can not see a Neo-Bolshie in the Oval Office even when such presence gradually sanctions 💰 and “owns him.” Haha. Thank you!

    * Putin’s Russia would stop a PreZident Hillary liberation of Syria & Iran just as they did with the zealous Israel-devoted tRump. Presently, there’s little increase of an Amerikan southern border wall, and with Open Borders, Hillary, there’d be no pretense to try fund & build one.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  125. @ChuckOrloski

    Agree, it is revealed at henrymakow.com and thetruthseeker.co.uk and on veteranstoday.com that Trump converted to judasim 2 years ago and this was reported by David Goldberg who was found dead in his NYC apartment on 6-8-19, and Goldberg also said that the US is going to attack Iran this fall following a false flag!

  126. @Smith

    Every village has an idiot. Nothing new there.

    P.S. I do not stoop to Google translate.

  127. @Robjil

    You hit the nail on the head. As Russian joke expresses it, for NATO Ukraine without Crimea is like a purebred stallion without balls.

    • Agree: Robjil
  128. @DESERT FOX

    Warm Labor Day Greetings from broken & rainy Scranton, DESERT FOX!

    Am concerned about even our Best & Brightest Regular Author Lights assembled here at The Unz Review, and if 🤔they shall address vital matters of “hacking” iPhone conversations, and that which you have alluded to as follows, and worth repeating in full view:

    “it is revealed at henrymakow.com and thetruthseeker.co.uk and on veteranstoday.com that Trump converted to judasim 2 years ago and this was reported by David Goldberg who was found dead in his NYC apartment on 6-8-19, and Goldberg also said that the US is going to attack Iran this fall following a false flag!”

    As the DESERT FOX, you know(!) how vital ’tis is for stand-up Unz Review commenters to have intelligent, articulate & patriotic leaders who will guide and be there for the “troops.” To start, I for one would be grateful if Gilad Atzmon would step up “to the plate,” offer thought on tRump’s alleged conversion to Judaism & the scary death of David Goldberg in his NYC apartment.

    My thanks & respect to you!

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Robjil
  129. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks, it is sunny and supposed to reach 95 by this afternoon, but am not complaining as it seems just the other day we were shoveling snow, which we did most of the winter, however the chemtrail planes are spraying and are going to have the sky overcast by late today , as usual, if interested check geoengineeringwatch.org.

  130. PeterMX says:
    @Smith

    Who divided Ukraine? Didn’t the Soviet Union, of which Russia was the biggest Republic with the country’s capital and where all major decisions were made let all the republics become independent? The Americans promised the Russians that no American troops and no Nato troops would move into Warsaw Pact countries. Now, Russia is surrounded by NATO troops and Americans are staioned right at the Russian border in places like Estonia. The Ukrainian President prior to Poroshenko had a policy of good relations with Russia and the EU. Sensible, I think. When Poroshenko took power, American Israel First neo-Cons like Senator John McCain was at the Maidan protests and American Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland was caught on tape discussing who she would promote to be Ukraine’s next president Nuland is Jewish and married to a major Jewish neo-con war monger named Robert Kagan. So it’s probably no surprise the next Ukrainian president was the partially Jewish Poroshenko.

    Under Poroshenko (not a German, or a NAZI, but perhaps a descendant of Jewish Bolsheviks) Ukraine began some anti-Russian policies and a fair amount people in eastern Ukraine didn’t like it. So many in Crimea didn’t like it that they voted to become independent from Ukraine. And before the election was held, they invited international observers to witness the voting but no one (EU or US) sent observers. They probably knew how the voting would go. One group did send observers -a conservative Austrian party and some journalists went along to observe the elections. What they saw was a peaceful and fairly run vote in Crimea.

    If not for the US, in particular American Jews and their allies like NcCain, Ukraine would probably still have Crimea. And unnder Poroshenko, Ukraine began discusssing joining NATO. There are now American troops stationed in Ukraine. Do you think the US would allow Russia to station troops in Mexico a few miles from the American border and allow them to station nuclear missiles there, pointing them at the US? It’s a serious question. The US didn’t allow the USSR to station missiles in Cuba in 1962 and almost started a world war over those missiles. The Americans and Jews do not have Ukraine’s intestest at heart.

    I just returned from Ukraine, Most people are friendly and warm and despite some struggles seem happy – happier than many Americans. But they have no idea what the Jews, Americans and EU have in store for them. Instead of having their Russian brothers in eastern Ukraine, who are apoarently the enemy now, these countries will make Ukraine into the multicultural nightmare that Europeans (and asome Americans) are starting to realize has been imposed on them. Nuland and her Jewish allies don’t like that Putin won’t let them do that to Russia, along with Globohomo parades, but I have a feeling Russia could lose that battle too.

    • Replies: @Smith
  131. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Nukes were part of the USSR. The capitol was Moscow.

    Now, if the US broke up. Would 50 states each get nukes?

    The capitol of the original nation keeps it and the weapons.

    If Ukraine wanted nukes, if should have stayed with Russia

    It got nukes now with being a satrap of Israel/US. So what it the big deal with nukes for the former part of the USSR? I never understood that argument.

    The main reason that Israel/US wanted Isr/US ukraine to have nukes is so their satrap could use them, Isr/US would say that our satrap did it and we did not do it. Fait Compli. Isr/US “wins” the war on the world and it controls the world.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Smith
  132. @renfro

    Not at all. Zionism is not a cult and never was one. The religions that came out of Judaism arguably can be. Nazism is a cult that ended just like many cults will, with decomposing bodies. In their case by their Der Fuhrer blowing his wife’s brains out and then his own. The same way the Jihadis blow themselves up. There is hardly a whiff of difference between the Nazis and the Jihadi – two sides of the same self-immolating coin. http://tinyurl.com/y9wznx4b

    As for Israel’s future, you got it all ass-backward, as you have everything wrong in your comment.

    A poor tribal group? You can’t have it both ways. Either the Jews control the world, or they don’t. Either they own the banks, or they don’t. Either they are too powerful, or they’re too weak in need of protection. US companies withdrawing support? You’ve got it ass-backward again. US and other global companies are moving to and expanding operations in Israel, and Israel is expanding operations all over the world, in India, Brazil, Mexico, Singapore, Hungary, Russia, and countries you have never heard of.

    The Israelis make the technology used in America’s best weapons, reserving the very best and the countertech, for themselves. Accordingly, the nightmare is not the Israelis, but of yours and your fellow Nazis before you and the Islamists who agree with you, blow your collective brains out like your dear leader had, and the others who have exploded themselves.

    My friend, you living in that dark place or what Donald Trump called a shithole country, live and learn. You are not wrong about one thing. You are wrong about everything.

    Mini Superpower: 5 Reasons You Can’t Beat Israel In a War | The National Interest

    Albert Einstein reportedly said concerning the book dissidents had written to his Theory of Relativity, One Hundred Authors Against Einstein, “Why 100? If I were wrong, then one would have been enough.”

    Accordingly, 100 neo-Nazis and Islamofascist on these pages are wrong, and I am right, and here to prove that the trends are not what your few losers think they are, but what 7 million winners in Israel make it.

    Let’s understand the core of the hate: Socialism, the politics of envy and resentment, the creed of ignorance.

    Nazi Socialism and Leftwing (collectivist) Socialism are more or less the same.
    They are two sides of the un-American coin – reviewed by this writer: https://canadafreepress.com/article/national-socialism-nazism-is-not-nationalism-bit-is-socialism-b

    You are welcome to make your dumbassed comments at the link.

    In fact, both ideologies are collectivist who believe that one’s life is not one’s own. That the State owns one’s life and chunks of its production. That an independent man owes something to another for no reason at all.

    It means that the product of one’s work and the total sum of his decisions (which puts your kind in your momma’s basement staring up at fading Hope & Change posters) should be taken and reversed so the loser becomes the winner. Everybody wins, and everyone loses. In your world your own decisions have no consequences.

    Well folks, it just doesn’t work that way in the real world, as I write these words from Hungary where we in Eastern and Central Europe have had the experience of both socialisms, that left this state and our neighbors robbed, destitute, neglected, and worn into a ruble. The Nazis are dead. Gone, detested by all of mankind and their memory is ground into a pulp. Their followers are considered human waste.

    The Jews have come back to Hungary – Israel is Hungary’s third largest investor next to Germany and the USA – and entire swaths of its beautiful cities are being rebuilt, making Budapest the world’s number 1 destination according to FORBES, which is, incidentally, moving one its bureaus, to super-power Israel: http://tinyurl.com/y6vt4w3o, following GOOGLE, Microsoft, Apple, Warren Buffet and all the major financial and tech firms worldwide.

    Obviously, the trends are not going to END Israel as you and your blowhards would like. For Israel, and the Jews who have prevented your kind from interfering with their galactic takeover for 4000 years against all odds, and successfully I might add, it is just the beginning of their massive legacy to man. The trend of Jewish success and prosperity is accelerating to the chagrin of the socialists and losers who will never be winners. I post the evidence below.

    In 1492 , Isabella the Palestinian expelled the Jews from Spain, leaving Spain in a 500 year economic coma and much of the nation a rubble. The Jews arrived in Hungary, Germany, Austria and elsewhere, and created the most prosperous of empires in European history that built the most beautiful city in Europe – Budapest. That’s not all blowhards. Two errant Jews who give the middle finger to the antisemites in their rear view mirrors made America the Shining City on the Hill, a reality.

    The first was the Jewish Colombo,
    https://www.aish.com/jw/s/Christopher-Columbus-Secret-Jew.html

    The second was another Jewish man, his navigator, who found that land and paved the way to its settlement. The third was the Jewish Solomon who financed the Revolution when the Brits came to impose gun control on America’s people. http://tinyurl.com/y5mdt9ym The Jews were among the better shots.

    The third is the current Jewish CEO of arms manufacturer SIG-SAUER, who is equipping right now the US Army under its largest contract ever, with its next-gen small arms which will kill Jihadis and other antisemites.

    The Jews created the concept of freedom, one known story is the Exodus itself. They created how western man thinks and how you think. They created the idea of possibilities and that human achievement and intellect trumps all – and should be rewarded. The Jews made western civilization possible – and the superiority of western civilization is, that it is fact-based:
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27202.The_Gifts_of_the_Jews

    Israel demonstrates these principles daily by the example of its brilliant people – the Jews. http://tinyurl.com/z5z3bkw

    The Jew is hated because he’s brilliant, effective, industrious, can outwork anyone, can out think anyone, because he’s kind and charitable, because he’s good, he’s loyal, and because he’s better than you are. Not just a little better. A whole lot better and a whole lot smarter. And that is the bug up your rump. http://tinyurl.com/y2mqgsng

    The Jew is better because instead of stewing in his hate like you will – a totally useless and unproductive activity – he produces and profits from his creativity. He’s the exact opposite of Barack Obama’s view of man when the Kenyan said: You Didn’t Build That.

    Yes he did, and he continues building it.

    Au contraire to the wishing and hoping of the HOPE & CHANGE gang, Israel is not only not going away, it is over a thousand times more powerful economically, militarily, and culturally than it was a mere two decades ago. It is spreading its tentacles of beauty, creativity, entrepreneurship, and influence worldwide, whereas most great nations are totally dependent on its way-ahead space technology, cyber security apparatus, intelligence acumen and effectiveness, medical inventions and innovations, and military prowess and technology. All of these translate into commerce almost growing logarithmically.

    Israel’s influence, now global, is growing steadily and predictably, reaping massive rewards for all of humanity, leaving the Judeophobics marinating in their bile. https://www.aei.org/publication/capitalism-jewish-achievement-and-the-israel-test/

    Israel has developed first strike capability that even the five other superpowers won’t challenge. NEVER AGAIN is not just a slogan insofar as the Jews are concerned. It is an explosion no one in their right mind wants to experience. And those not in their right minds will. I leave you with reading material that will rightfully ruin your lives.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-superpower-5-reasons-you-cant-beat-israel-war-51972

    https://nypost.com/2017/01/29/why-israel-has-the-most-technologically-advanced-military-on-earth/

    https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-joins-the-race-to-become-a-quantum-superpower-574510

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/books/review/weapon-wizards-yaakov-katz-amir-bohbot.html

    https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cufi.org/israel-becoming-worlds-top-cyber-superpower/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjtjruvyq_kAhXkkYsKHRZzCMQQFjAHegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1qaXXvXpWdOMwxa-p4YqAE

    http://www.thetower.org/article/could-israel-become-a-cultural-superpower/

  133. @Michael1919

    Nice try. South African people of means live behind barbed wire and walled fortresses, armed to the hilt, to prevent the raping and pillaging by blacks. In fact, you have it ass-backward – forgive my French. South Africa is the child rape capital of the world: https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/rape-statistics-41-children/

    Israel has no rapes at all, except in the disputed – not occupied – territories, rapes committed by Muslims. The same Muslims who made Stockholm and Malmo the rape capitals of Europe. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

    No, Jews never made rape legal. Jews, with very few exceptions, don’t do rape. It’s just not a Jewish thing. Rape however is legal in some Muslim lands where women have no rights. In fact, child rape is right in the Q’uoran, as something to be honored. The rapes and slavery of Christians in Muslim lands is well-known as Christian communities have been decimated.

    However South Africans invented the wheel, the helicopter, and put a man on the moon. Ask Al Sharpton.

    Hatred of whites is just dumb.
    White people created civilization, at least the western kind, and 97% of human achievement. I wrote about it here: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/the_crucifixion_of_james_watson.html

  134. @DESERT FOX

    Oh yes, the cited are the most reliable websites next to the Disney cartoon studios. Keep reading such mush and see what happens to your brain. But I have to tell you, honestly, I almost broke my ribs laughing too hard.

    Trump is a Christian, attends services.
    Not frequently, but he attends. So do his wife and his wife’s son, Baron, who we hope will someday follow in his dad’s footsteps to the Oval Office.

    But don’t let these facts get in the way of a good cartoon and your Jewhate.

    When one can blame one’s failures on the Jew, one will. The Jew is everywhere and look, if you can blame some Jew for sunspots or the hurricane about to hit the US (probably Bibi pushed a button to make it happen), you might as well. Weather? Why blame the weather when a Jew is handy, right there on top of the hurricane?

    Hey, it worked for centuries, why not now?

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  135. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    The Israelis make the technology used in America’s best weapons, reserving the very best and the countertech, for themselves.

    Ahem, that is a rather bold statement, to put it mildly. Israelis are really good at war propaganda, that is for sure, but if Israel decides to develop own really serious submarine or major surface combatant above corvette class she will see her economic bottom falling off. You may recall the origin of Saar 3 boats (resulted in Operation Cherbourg):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherbourg_Project

    Or ask yourself a question where present Saar 5 corvettes or whole Israeli Navy’s submarine force originated from (a hint: not in Israel). This is not to mention the fact of Israeli Air Force being surprisingly US-built. But, nah, I am being picky.

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  136. @Commentator Mike

    Dear Mike,

    I live in illiberal Hungary that has alone succeeded to stem the flow. In fact the fence we built is 99% effective in keeping Hungary Hungarian and Christian. This is seen by the EP as a sin. The problem you see, is we won’t let swarthy men of fighting age from Syria rape gorgeous Hungarian girls to whom they feel entitled. The EU and EP sees this as racism and don’t want us to continue defending the Christian nation of Hungary that loves its formerly hated Jews who are rebuilding the Hungarian state after the Nazis and communists who destroyed it. I mean, they pulverized it. Today Budapest according to FORBES, is Europe’s most beautiful and safest city. You got bad vibes bro, don’t come here.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  137. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Trump may as well be jewish as he is giving the zionists and Israel everything they ask for and is continuing to support AL CIADA aka ISIS which is a creation of the zio/US and Israel and zio/Britain and zio/NATO, which is destroying the mideast for zionist Israel and their goal of complete control of the mideast as part of the greated Israel project, aka a zionist NWO.

    By the way your Israel had enough on its hands with Hezbollah in 2006, let alone taking on a country like Iran, but as long as you zionists can keep the zio/US fighting and dying for Israel, no problem, without the zionist control of every facet of the zio/US government Israel would be up shit creek!

  138. Robjil says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    There was another 6/8 in 1967. The USS Liberty was attacked by Israel.

    The Hippy movement was stirred up in San Francisco on 1/14/67. The following six months there was a built up for the Summer of Love.

    If the USS Liberty sunk according to plan, there may have been a nuke war over Egypt with USSR and USA involved.

    The drugged out Love-ins were the back up to stop any protest about it or thought about it.

    If the attack on Iran goes to plan this fall, hopefully something like the big failure for the crazies will happen again like in 1967. Obviously, for the 34 soldiers who died and the 174 injured it was a great tragedy.

    The ship was not honored, it was sold for scrap just like the nine eleven evidence in 2001.
    Look at the price of the scrap. What is it with the 666.66 at end of the price? Does our government have any respect for our people since the coup of 11/22/63? or since the FED of 12/23/1913.

    https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

    The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  139. @Robjil

    If Ukraine wanted nukes, if should have stayed with Russia

    Ukrainian prays to God:
    – Dear God, why did you make it so unfair? Russians have literature, opera, ballet, oil, gas, precious metals, while we Ukrainians have nothing.
    God replies:
    – But you had all of this.
    – When?
    – When you were Russians.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Seraphim
  140. PatrickB says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Makow admits that this David Goldberg is a PsyOp. Journalist? No single evidence that such person has ever existed.

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/08/antisemites-are-being-tagged-for-extermination.html

    One does not have to be a prophet to declare that a war on Iran will be preceeded by a false flag op. It always happens.

    Messenger is fake. Is the message true? Can be…

  141. @Robjil

    For those interested, get and read the books Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen and Remember the Liberty by Phil Nelson and survivors of the joint Israeli and zio/US attack on the USS Liberty, these can be had on amazon or barnes & noble.

    • Agree: Robjil
  142. Smith says:
    @Robjil

    Uh no, Ukraine had nukes, then Russia and US had a deal with them to dismantle it.

    So nah, just give them back the nukes.

    And in case the US broke up, there is NO reason why the individual state cannot have nukes either.

    Apparently, North Korea can have nukes by themselves, but Ukraine needs Russia to have nukes? What silly logic.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  143. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    So just give ukranian nukes, that is one way street where russians will not pray that Ukraine “were” them anymore.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  144. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    It’s commendable that you personally have taken a stand against the Islamic invasion of Europe but you have here taken on yourself to represent the entire Jewish community, and as we see from articles and comments on UR that Jewish community does not seem to share or propagate your views on the matter. Hence, I think my comment was valid, what bad vibes? If you feel it’s hopeless to try to convert other Jews to your views on immigration into Europe well then tell us so instead of rebuffing me so unceremoniously.

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  145. @Smith

    Ask your State Department curator. If the answer is above his pay grade, let him ask his superior.

    BTW, Russians are happy that Ukrainians are not “brothers” any more. They say that it’s a shame to have brother like that.

    • Replies: @Smith
  146. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Well I see I hit a nerve…LOL

    First things first, You dont live in Hungary. You aren’t hard to find since you linked to a article you wrote for American Thinker as your “Web site”…which leads to other articles you have written for other websites which show your bio:
    https://canadafreepress.com/members/1/AndrewG.Benjamin/934/P80

    So now that we have established you are a liar lets look at your typical Jewish delusions of grandeur for which your proof is a book about Jews written by the same gimmick writer that wrote ‘How The Irish Saved the World’…I guess he cant make up his mind if it was the Irish or the Jews…LOL:
    ”The Jews created the concept of freedom, one known story is the Exodus itself. They created how western man thinks and how you think. They created the idea of possibilities and that human achievement and intellect trumps all – and should be rewarded. The Jews made western civilization possible – and the superiority of western civilization is, that it is fact-based:
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27202.The_Gifts_of_the_Jews”

    Now lets look at your stupidity:
    ‘Israel has developed first strike capability that even the five other superpowers won’t challenge. NEVER AGAIN is not just a slogan insofar as the Jews are concerned. It is an explosion no one in their right mind wants to experience. And those not in their right minds will. .”’

    You are so naïve. You really think that the US pentagon doesnt have plans for a response to Israel in the event of a Israeli nuke strike. The US War College has a department that writes up scenarios on countries every day. The reality is in a toss up between the global economy being ruined by a nuke strike(s) in the ME and Israel , Israel would lose. The up side of World Capitalism is its not going to let some crazy Jews ruin business around the world. The other reality is the US eyes in the sky would know the moment Israel prepared for a nuke strike. ….if they ignored US demand to stand down and got one off it would be the last one . Your ‘Sampson Option’ to destroy all the nations is ridiculous kid stuff….a US Boomer nuclear sub could target Israel from underwater 7 thousands miles away and launch in 60 seconds and destroy Israel.
    Power wise Isr is a pimple on the mountain . You think there arent Boomers and maybe Russian nuclear subs in the oceans off the ME ? You would be wrong.

    You are like monkeys beating your chest pretending to be big Silverbacks. It would be comical if it weren’t so repulsive.

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  147. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Smith, capitols have the nukes.

    USSR broke up. Nukes are Moscow’s. Moscow has the codes.

    Israel/US ukraine is under another capitol with nukes now – Washington/ Tel Aviv.

    So, Ukraine is in the same position again with the ISRAELUZSA.

    Same thing, different capitol.

    • Replies: @Smith
  148. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Nah, I’m gonna ask you specifically so you can ask your Moscow handler.

    Why did you help the US in dismantling the nukes in Ukraine? Is this a way to protect the poor russian jews against “ukranazi” as well?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  149. Smith says:
    @Robjil

    Ukraine had nukes, Kiev is the capitol of Ukraine, not Moscow.

    And no, I want Kiev to have nukes, like Moscow or Washington.

    The fact Moscow helped in dismantling Ukraine nukes with the US means Russia serves jew’s interests, like the US.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  150. Seraphim says:
    @AnonFromTN

    ‘Ukrainians’ are not ‘Russians’ anymore. They reverted to their ‘Khazarity’ like the dog returning to his vomit. But the dreams of the new ‘kagans’ that they would sprawl in the Crimean palaces of the Tsars have been shattered forever.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @AP
  151. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Nukes without codes are useless.

    Moscow had the codes.

    So they had to be dismantled.

    Why would any sane person want more nations to have nukes?

    The world is crazy enough as it is.

    The Kiev coup government is a ZUS puppet that follows orders from Tel Aviv/Washington. It has no brains of its own. Its brains (Tel Aviv/Washington) has nukes. If it had nukes, it would follow orders not for its good but for the good of Israel/US.

    In other words, it would be like Isis or Al-Qaeda with nukes. Both of them are order followers of Israel/US.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  152. Smith says:
    @Seraphim

    Lawl, and I find it funny that now that the ukrainians want to get their independence, they get to be called dogs!

    @Robjil
    If Moscow has the codes, they should sell the codes to Ukraine if they legitimately want Ukraine to have independence, but they don’t, they want Ukraine to “remain” Russia.

    And why wouldn’t a sane nation have nukes?

    Russia has nukes, do you think Russia is a sane nation?
    What about North Korea, what about China? Are these sane nations?

    And ISIS or Al-Qaeda’s handlers i.e. US/Israel/Pakistan already have nukes! So why can’t Ukraine have it?

    The fact you seem flustered about this betrays your cry of freedom for Russia.

    And no, I do not oppose Crimea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Palestine having nukes either. Nukes = no one will fuck with you.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @AnonFromTN
  153. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    China at least not throwing them out of the country nor asking g them to be second class citizen nor asking america to help them cleanse those minorities . China has never said that “Its a Chinese Haan and Secular Socialist country” for all “Chinese “ . China is not creating 2nd and third class citizen China is not attacking neighbors to stay in perpetual war economy buoyed and floated by US money . Xi his not asking g for war to stay in power. China is not getting Vietnam or Russia or Canada into war with its arch enemies by meddling by lying by forcing and by stealing – all of these that Israel does – inside the belly of its well-wishers.

    So many differences.

    • Replies: @Smith
  154. annamaria says:
    @Smith

    You sound like a true ZUSA loyalist, Mr/Ms Smith.

    Here is the sanctimonious UK government slowly murdering the best journalist of today: https://www.rt.com/news/467833-pilger-julian-assange-warning/

    Assange is currently serving a 50-week sentence in Belmarsh Prison for skipping a bail hearing in 2012.

    US authorities are seeking his extradition for his role in publishing classified documents, accusing him of espionage. Speaking at a rally outside the Home Office in London on Monday, Pilger passed on a message from the WikiLeaks editor who, if extradited and convicted, could be sentenced to 175 years in prison. …

    “By defending Julian Assange we defend our most sacred rights,” Pilger warned. “Speak up now or wake up one morning to the silence of a new kind of tyranny.”

    Where are your protestations, Mr/Ms Smith? No protestations? Perhaps Assange is not democratic enough for you…

    You see, a murderer of a young pregnant (pregnant!) woman has been energetically protected by the Hong Kong Fifth column of admirers of the “western democracies” (see above the treatment of Assange), whereas the procuress of children for sexual exploitation (see Epstein saga) was not even arrested and there has been no Interpol Red Alert for Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Your posts do indeed smell hasbara.

  155. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Ukraine and Russia could like Canada is to the US.

    There is no reason for this anti-Russian hysteria in Ukraine.

    Russians don’t hate Ukrainians. This hysteria is all pumped in by the US/Israel.

    • Replies: @Smith
  156. Smith says:
    @anon

    So China should accept them instead of the USA, USA is a racist apatheird state, they are not deserving these rocket scientists. Send all the south americans, africans, asian, jews and arabs into China so they can become chinese in China instead.

    And if China doesn’t want to get into war, it shouldn’t try to occupy Vietnamese water! That’s BOTH forcing and robbing.

    inb4 that’s fake news.

    @annamaria

    How exactly, Mr. Chicom yid?

    And no, I do not support UK government for slowly killing Julian Assange either! In fact, why should I? I support Brexit and the UK government tries to block that too.

    In fact, if you think the Chinese government is more pro-freedom than the UK, why hasn’t China tried to rescue Assange or giving him asylum? Oh yeah!

    And for your information, I protest the US/UK for imprisoning Assange on false charge! I oppose the US, the same as I oppose China.

    And you see, you are arguing for extradition laws! Not against it, because of one case of murderer, you want every SPECIAL CASES (i.e. political criminals if labeled by China) to be sent to China, the same case as Mr. Assange for the US/UK?

  157. K. W. says:
    @AP

    Interesting. I have never set foot in Russia despite speaking fluent Russian but am very curious to visit, albeit a bit trepidatious given what I have heard from Ukrainians about the alleged brutality of Russia and what they call the confused nature of Russian identity (with Soviet influences, plus a strain of anti-Western orientation that dates from Mongol times, plus of course a European aspect as well). Do you enjoy your visits to Russia equally? If so I suppose I should swallow my prejudices and visit the country.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Andrew G. Benjamin
  158. @Smith

    China, Russia, and even North Korea are a lot saner than the US. None of them promotes wars and chaos all over the world or has military bases in 100+ countries. If we look at history, none of them ever used nukes on humans. If China, Russia, or North Korea were as insane as the US, we’d all be dead long ago in WWIII.

    • Replies: @Smith
  159. Smith says:
    @Robjil

    And I have no opposition to Canada having nukes, the same as the US!

    You see, you always say it’s always anti-Russia. Yet you think Ukraine, a different country than Russia, having nukes is anti-Russia.

    In that case, it’s no longer anti-Russia, it’s anti-Ukraine, because you oppose people who value their independence and autonomy by NOT allowing them having nukes.

    So no, there’s no anti-Russia, there is anti-Ukraine sentiments promoted by both the Russian government and the US government.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  160. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    So if sane nations like China and Russia and even North Korea can have nukes while insane nations like US can have nukes, and we are in nuclear war yet, that means Ukraine can have nukes as well! As well, as Taiwan, Hong Kong and Palestine.

    After all, history shows that Ukraine, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Palestine have never used nukes on humans, correct?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Biff
    , @annamaria
  161. AP says:
    @K. W.

    albeit a bit trepidatious given what I have heard from Ukrainians about the alleged brutality of Russia

    Ukrainians speak about Russia as Canadians speak about the USA. I had a Canadian friend who terribly frightened her parents when she decided to do a road trip through the USA. They thought she would be robbed or shot – driving around America is dangerous! So in Ukraine one hears that Russia is dangerous, terrible, etc. (this was before Maidan, too). When I was in Kiev and walked past some litter in the street my hosts were embarrassed but said something like, you must be used to worse after having lived in Moscow (Moscow is actually cleaner than Kiev).

    Russia does have a higher homicide rate than does Ukraine but it’s not a big difference, and a lot of killings involve binge drinking, rather than street crime. Don’t binge drink and get into arguments if there are knives around.

    Do you enjoy your visits to Russia equally

    Moscow is a wonderland well worth seeing. Since you are fluent in Russian, you will enjoy its world class theater, second to none in the world. It has incredible museums, it is beautiful, wealthy and clean. I would easily choose visiting Moscow over visiting Kiev. Kiev’s advantages are that it is greener with more trees, and has a more laid back comfortable atmosphere.

    Smaller Russian cities are similar to smaller Ukrainian cities; they are obviously wealthier but it’s not a radically different feel in terms of lifestyle or architecture. There is a clear difference but it is subtle. Lviv is an exception – no small Russian city is as nice.

    The countryside has larger differences. Ukrainian villages certainly seem cleaner, neater and nicer than do Russian ones. In Galicia in addition to being cleaner they also have fences and gardens, and resemble ones in Poland or central Europe, except much poorer.

  162. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    LOL, you are so butt-hurt that Ukraine has Bukovyna.

  163. @Smith

    We do know that Russia, China, France, UK, Israel, North Korea, India, and Pakistan having nukes never used them on humans. We don’t know whether Genghis Khan or Hitler would have used nukes on humans if they had them. We also don’t know whether Ukraine (which part, LPR, DPR, or Kiev?), Taiwan (which faction?), Hong Kong (which faction?), Palestine (Hamas or Fatah?), or Burkina Faso would have used nukes on humans if they had them. For some reason, I’d rather not test this experimentally.

  164. Seraphim says:

    That does not make the ‘Ukrainians’ less Khazars!

    • Replies: @AP
  165. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    That’s faulty logic. I can say we don’t know Russia, China, France, UK, Israel, North Korea, India and Pakistan WOULDN’T have used nukes on humans if they CONTINUE to have them.

    And I’m talking about the current reigning governments of Ukraine, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Palestine. You have ZERO reasons for not allowing these countries to have nukes, like the sane and insane countries you have listed above.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  166. Biff says:
    @Smith

    There is a requirement that you pass the fourth grade before commenting here.

  167. @Commentator Mike

    First Mike, I am not rebuffing you. Second, there are plenty of Jewish conservatives in the United States (I presume you are speaking of that nation), who are in the leadership of the conservative movement. I name a few: David Horowitz of Frontpage, Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager, Mark Levin and many others I’m sure you’re aware of. Whatever “conservative” may mean to people, the cited cannot be doubted. One can doubt Mitt Romney and other RINOs for not really being conservatives.

    Is is hopeless to convert SOME Jews to see the darkness brought into Europe by their own enemies? I don’t think so. The orthodox Jews in Europe and the American continent are clear about the problem. The converted Jews (those who have integrated too well and too fully into their respective Christian societies and no longer really practice their beautiful faith of love and kindness, the core of which is charity), are in lock step with the liberals, often of the far left. Indeed, statistics prove the results: Conservative Jews give far more than liberal Jews; and the same stands for conservative Christians.

    No, I am not saying liberal Jews are “bad” people, because they are not bad at all. Most are terrific people who have been propagandized the same way as today’s graduates of the universities. By far left professors and staff. 97% of America’s university staff are leftwing. https://cornellsun.com/2015/10/15/cornell-faculty-donations-flood-left%E2%80%88filings-show/

    The results are visible, right? Since Jews are almost all college “educated,” they happen to be the most educated on the planet, they are also more propagandized than others. The more leftwing one becomes, the less God-fearing one becomes. Just the way it is. More Jews than others identify themselves for their political affiliation than their religion.

    On the other hand, the cited named, all Jewish, are hard-core conservatives with impeccable creds, historians, and all logically defend their positions, making the Jews of the left – and America’s left – grit their teeth in sheer frustration. That too, is what I do. And, my writings, pursuant to your comment, are meant to convert not just SOME Jews not yet on my side, but all people. That is because history, unlike Hillary Clinton, tells us What Really Happened.

  168. @Andrei Martyanov

    Well, the Israelis have also engaged in industrial espionage duplicating and then bettering the French Mirage warplane. They built the entire plane from scratch. Therefor they are quite capable of designing and manufacturing entire, whole weapons systems – and they do. Unlike the Chinese, the Israelis don’t copy. The create better products. They build their own tanks, arguably the best in the world. Not only that, they have the first and only operational anti-antitank weapon mounted on their tanks.

    As for what they make, design or buy, decisions are made strategically. If they buy, it means the decision makes economic sense. If they design, and then build it, it has to make economic sense. If they copy it, it has to make economic sense, and if they steal it, it has to make economic sense. Jews are driven by reality-based thinking. Their enemies are driven by ideology and myth-driven thinking.

    One always wins.

    As the United States and Israel were and continue to be partners in making long-term strategic decisions on national security looking ahead decades sometimes (as they were in on the initial planning stage on the strategic warfighters F35 and some small ships ideal to guard the shores and stage fast attacks on large ships), Israel supplies many American weapons systems (and of other nations) with their own ideas, improvements, modules and subsystems to be included in these nation’s weaponry. Without the Israeli input and modules in fact, these weapon systems won’t even work.

    There’s nothing to explain here for anyone moderately informed about the weapons and intelligence cooperation between global superpowers. Israel plays a major role for all the superpowers totally dependent on Israeli acumen. In fact, Russia, with its very smart leader, has been so helpful to the Israelis that they had exported their best scientists and engineers, their best brains, to Israel! What more can one ask for other than for a delicious bowl of Russian borscht or one of the best hookers in the world?

    For the Israelis, the dumb commenters and Judeophobics (most of whom never met a Jew) on the net are immaterial. They are powerless, still stupid, while the Israelis punch so far above their weight, that they themselves have become a superpower. Militarily, culturally, and economically. But thank you for your thoughts.

  169. @K. W.

    A great comment Sir. Swallowing prejudices is the wisest path one who is prejudiced can take. What has prejudice ever gotten you? I know. Stomach acidity.

    I except the perps of 9-11 and other like kind from this thought for good reasons, until they too reform, so bias will not longer be an issue.

    There are those people who build and improve the world for man. These are people who create.
    There are those who only destroy – and I refer you to the Banyan Buddhas and the similar for a clue.

    In fact, you can tell the good from the bad.

    The good build skyscrapers that improve the skylines of cities around the world.
    The bad destroy them and have allies from Kenya who tell the world: YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT.
    They also might sell you free health care plans, free college education, and free lies. I trust we’re on the same page?

  170. Smith says:
    @PeterMX

    I’m pretty sure it was Russian cover troops and volunteers who came and foght in Donbass in the first place. They caught wind of a Russian genocide on the eastern Ukraine (and to this date where ukrainians are still eating babies there) and now we have a full occupation of Russian troops in Crimea.

    While the Poroshenko’s government invites in the americans, which are just as bad.

    I hold no love for either the americans nor the russians, and I hold them responsible for dividing Ukraine, either ways, all the russian crimeans actually just love to migrate back to Russia so there’s no lost love.

    And also, aversion to globohomo parades are not an excuse for shitty government, and both US and Russia have shitty governments, but I have to admit that the Russian one is more united and less schizo.

  171. @AnonFromTN

    But we know who did use them – the good ole US of A.

  172. @renfro

    You established that I’m a liar, eh? So you know for a fact that I’m not a Hungarian who lives in the epicenter of that nation’s political and financial power, right? You must have a crystal ball fellow. Care to share it with us? As a trader I could really use tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal.

    [MORE]

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/confessions-of-a-denier-the-last-word-on-global-warming

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/eu-balkanizes-europe-again-with-diabolical-anti-hungary-vote

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-tragedy-of-george-soros

    Sorry buddy, I also have homes elsewhere. Five all over the world. What you’ve established is that you’re an ass, because as the ancient wisdom posits, only asses assume things they don’t know. But that’s relatively easy to do. What I do is far harder. And I don’t need to establish who I am or where I live. I’m secure with it. Or in the wise words of one man, reality is what is.

    https://westernfreepress.com/hungarys-communist-newspaper-folds-obama-and-u-s-state-department-panic/

    https://westernfreepress.com/reporting-from-hungary-pt-1-muslim-refugees-mostly-males-of-fighting-age/

    And to really ruin your night and that of your Judeophobic pals, I won’t even have to try – take a look at the dates these were written, and ask yourself who was connected with reality and the future – you or I:

    https://westernfreepress.com/how-bibi-win-means-the-end-of-obamas-iran-nuclear-negotiations/

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-palestinians-an-ancient-civilization-that-always-existed-just-not-on-th

    https://westernfreepress.com/obama-we-dont-want-israel-to-become-a-partisan-issue-so-we-will-make-it-one/

    https://westernfreepress.com/capitalisms-imperious-moral-code/

    As I was one of the invitees to this event on a moment’s notice, I must have flown across continents at warp speed, eh?: https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-new-york-times-war-against-israel-and-hungary

    In the vid you can see my gorgeous neighborhood, that park around Parliament is being wholly renovated, as are all the major parks in the district where this Hungarian-American lives happily in a happy country free of antisemitic leftwingers and Jihadis.

    In a city where Jewish money, Jewish brains, and Jewish oppression is rebuilding Europe’s most gorgeous city in this beautiful Christian nation that was left a rubble by the Nazi socialists and the Commie socialists – and earlier, the 150 year rule of Islam, the bodies of whom the Hungarians threw burning into the Danube. It is a city filled with the most beautiful women imaginable, friendly and sweet. Anti-semites and Jihadis are not welcome for these women (Melania Trump comes from the same genetic stock), and the state has put up fences that are 99% effective.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2019/02/05/these-are-the-trendiest-best-european-destinations-for-2019/#5c92e45b43c1

    So tell me Renfro, is that because I’m not Hungarian, eh?

    • Replies: @renfro
  173. Biff says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Unlike the Chinese, the Israelis don’t copy.

    Ha ha that tickles.

  174. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Nukes as AnonFromTN said have only been used by ZUS.

    Why?

    It is Amalek fighting? An Tanakh/Old Testament concept – attack civilians instead of the soldiers.

    “Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey, after you left Egypt — how, undeterred by fear of God, he surprised you on the march, when you were famished and weary, and cut down all the stragglers in your rear. Therefore, when the Eternal your God grants you safety from all your enemies around you, in the land that the Eternal your God is giving you as a hereditary portion, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!” (Deuteronomy 25:17-19)

    Ever since 11/23/1913 – US, Britain and its J advisors at top have been pushing endless Amalek fighting techniques.

    In WWII, the US/Britain/with J advisors pushed for endless firebombing of civilians in Germany, Japan, France and Italy.

    This led up to Oppenheimer’s nuke attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nagasaki was the Christian center of Japan. It survived hundreds of years of Japanese oppression but could not survive J advisor Oppenheimer’s Amalek nuke bomb.

    The J advisors in the ZUS still love Amalek fighting.

    Mad Albright said 500000 iraqi children dying from ZUS sanctions is OK, in other words, Amalek fighting – attacking civilians is OK.

    Nine Eleven was Amalek fighting. Fighting against civilians within ZUS to promote ZUS wars. What a weave that that our ZUS overlords deceive to get us to fight for them?

    666 – 6th hour, 6th day, 6th month -D day – Devil? day. Operation Overlord? Who are the Overlords? The Top J advisors?

    The games our ZUS overlords like to play on us. Mr/Mrs./Ms Smith that the way it is.

    • Replies: @Smith
  175. Smith says:
    @Robjil

    I don’t care who has used nukes, I care about who holds nukes.

    And holding nuke is ONLY way ticket where no one will fuck up your country, example: North Korea. The fact you are adamant on SPECIFIC countries (i.e. empires such as USA, China, Russia, Israel) having nukes while poor and small countries/regions (Ukraine, Taiwan, Hong Kong) NOT having them does not sit well with me.

    I don’t care what games empires play, I care about the independence and autonomy of countries.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  176. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    You mean a Turkic tribe that converted to Judaism?

    Yeah, those are Ukrainians LOL.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  177. annamaria says:
    @Smith

    The protesting Hong-Kongers came out with the Star-Spangled Banners to show their unconditional loyalty to the ZUSA. The more you protest the more obvious you become.

    http://www.visiontimes.com/2019/08/09/hong-kong-defiant-protesters-wave-american-flags-against-ccp-interference.html

    • Replies: @Smith
  178. Robjil says:
    @Smith

    Ukraine is not an independent nation. It is under ZUS control. So, no independence will happen even if Ukraine gets nukes.’ With nukes as a ZUS client Ukraine might use them, ZUS is good at brainwashing people to do things that are destructive to themselves but constructive to ZUS goals. WWI brought the Balfour for ZUSUK, WWII brought Israel for ZUS, WWIII brings Eretz Yisrael for ZUS.

    Ukraine could have been an contender in the world if it did not invite in ZUS. Now it just another of one of numerous clients for ZUS and nothing more than that.

    ZUS never lets go of its clients. Greece tried to go free in 2015. Big clamp downs on Greece. Greece went meekly back to ZUS control.

    Hong Kong is not a nation. It would have no room for nukes. That is silly.

  179. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    duplicating and then bettering the French Mirage warplane.

    LOL. Yes, they also tried to “better” US F-16, by calling it Lavi until even the United States had it with Israeli “betterment” and shut the whole program down, this is not to mention an enormous cost for this “bettered” F-16. You really need to update yourself on economics of R&D in aerospace and, in general, military-industrial field. Just for the heck of it–check out whose power-plant were and are being used in all IAF aircraft.

    There’s nothing to explain here for anyone moderately informed about the weapons and intelligence cooperation between global superpowers.

    Oh, but I beg to differ–there is a lot to explain, especially starting from the term “moderately informed”. Pray tell what this “moderate” informing should include? And then, of course, what is superpower? You mean Israel? I currently can account only for three (actually two and a half) superpowers and Israel is not in there.

  180. yurivku says:
    @AnonFromTN

    We do know that Russia, China, France, UK, Israel, North Korea, India, and Pakistan having nukes never used them on humans …

    Excuse me. Aren’t you tired to speak to that scumbag? You know how we say – don’t touch shit and it won’t stink.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  181. Smith says:
    @annamaria

    Aksually, they protest in different flags, some fly their colonial flags, some fly the Union flag, some fly the US one because they want the 2nd amendment like the US, or are you anti-the right to bear ams too?
    @ Robjil
    Yeah, I don’t care which kind of jew devils plague them. Let them have nukes, a strong military and a strong nationalist spirit then jew devils will leave.

    And Hong Kong can declare themselves a nation (of Han chinese), they actually have comparable population to a small state like Sweden, Serbia or Singapore. If they want to have nukes, more power to them.

  182. @Smith

    Don’t provide more support for the stereotype of Americans as woefully ignorant and arrogant fools. There are three current governments in Ukraine: in Kiev, in Lugansk, and in Donetsk. The current government in Hong Kong is as pro-China as one can get. It is the current government of Hong Kong that the demonstrators are against. There are two current governments in Palestine: Hamas in Gaza, Fatah in the West Bank. Taiwan has one government, but if the question of the war with big China ever becomes relevant, Taiwan is going to have full-blooded (in every sense of the word) civil war. Don’t be like Bush Jr. It helps to know at least something before you voice an “opinion” about it.

    • Replies: @Smith
  183. @yurivku

    I am not writing for the benefit of that thing. It is either a troll or an ignorant moron. I am writing for honest readers with IQ above clinical retardation.

    • Replies: @yurivku
  184. Israel developed many combat systems and the bottom has not fallen out. Moreover, for some of your geniuses, America has NEVER fought Israel’s wars. Israel on the other hand, has fought America’s.

    I refer you to pre-invasion Iraq and Osirak: https://theaviationist.com/2017/06/07/36-years-ago-today-operation-opera-the-israeli-air-strike-on-an-iraqi-nuclear-reactor/, one of many operations, including Israel’s Lebanon adventures before and after the Osirak victory. In fact, the United States and Israel are fighting the same enemy: Jihadists. Palestinian and other Jihadist fighting the same war. In fact, the Palestinian movement is not a liberation movement, but a Jihadi movement: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen & https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/Data/pdf/PDF_06_032_2.pdf

    No, Israel, unlike the Chinese, does not copy entire weapons systems – at least not lately – but redesigns current systems AT THE REQUEST OF THE PARTY selling the same, for Israeli or other’s use. Moreover, Israel designs, manufactures, and sells entire weapons systems either co-financed or co-developed to other nations. Israel is one of the largest arms merchants in the world today. For example the anti-missile shield Israel developed for its own use, co-financed by the United States, and now deployed inside the United States. It is rumored that Eastern European nations and even the NATO is on board to buy these very effective weapons systems.

    In another sense, Israeli conflicts are the battle test grounds for US weapons before they get deployed for the US military for use in later conflicts. America’s top soldiers, SEALS and others, are also being trained in Israel. So are some Russians and Ukranians. Moreover, Israel has the best hand-to-hand combat training in the world, developed by a European Jewish man. Krav Maga: Watch two American martial artists learn it. These two veteran martial artists have traveled the world to find the best unarmed martial arts – and in Israel they have found it and say so on the Discovery Channel.

    Israel is the only place where girls can take on martial arts masters and kick their collective behinds. Jewish girls. Let me clarify it for the antisemites and jihadis on this website and others. Don’t mess with the Jews. You have far more to fear of them than they of you.

    If you doubt me, watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt8w92ilbVM

    • Troll: bluedog
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @renfro
  185. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    People of this site should treat this character ‘wally’ as a Troll, period. He calls others zionist, yet he is the zionist mafia pimp lover.

  186. annamaria says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    “Jews are driven by reality-based thinking. Their enemies are driven by ideology and myth-driven thinking.”

    — Tell us more about the annual celebration of Purim by Jewish communities in the western countries. I am afraid that you are not able to comprehend the stupidity of the celebration that goes against all norms of decency. Making the ear-shaped sweets for children to celebrate the mass-murder of the local population by obnoxious Jews.

    It is indeed the “reality-based thinking” that stops the Jews from emigrating to the Jewish State en masse. What rational person wants to live among fanatical and myth-driven supremacists and Haredim?

    And tell us more about zionist terrorists (let’s start with Ukrainian thug Zhabotinsky) and their belief in the mythological Eretz Israel. Millions of human beings (including hundreds of thousands of children) died because of the bloody supremacist project in the Middle East. To protect the mythology, zionists have been obsessively attacking the freedom of speech in the US/EU/UK.

    Also, what is so Jewish about science and engineering per se? You are free to list prominent (and non-prominent) Jewish universities in Europe, which had produced important scientists and engineers in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. You can certainly list some important shtetls inhabited by poorly educated and mythology-driven Jews.

    Your Israeli engineers are mostly a product of the Soviet educational system designed after the German educational system. You have no national music and no national literature — everything has been borrowed. Your spies have been stealing from American inventors while your government has been working with Israel-firsters (Jewish Fifth column in the US) to steal more and more from American taxpayers.
    The state of Israel is the most aggressive beggar — and the quetching one.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  187. @annamaria

    That is what parasites do, and zionists parasites are destroying America.

  188. yurivku says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Funny. Can you recall at least one person who changed his pov due to your words? I think you can’t. Most people here (not counting trolls) quite grown up and won’t follow any arguments not matters how reasonable they are.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  189. @yurivku

    You may be right, but this does not explain why you bother to comment here.

    • Replies: @yurivku
  190. yurivku says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Correct. But you should have noticed I do it now quite rarely. When I started commenting I had some illusions. No they gone.
    Especially I’m trying not to argue much with scumbags. Yes, sometimes I do, but just cause being too emotional.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  191. annamaria says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    “For the Israelis, the dumb commenters and Judeophobics (most of whom never met a Jew) on the net are immaterial. They are powerless, still stupid, while the Israelis punch so far above their weight, that they themselves have become a superpower.”

    — Let’s see how brave is Mr. Andrew G. Benjamin.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-03/hes-ghost-modeling-agency-boss-accused-scouting-girls-epstein-mysteriously-vanishes

    French authorities are trying to find the 72-year-old Brunel [his MC 2 Model Management company is based in New York, Miami and Tel Aviv]… Brunel’s connection to the Epstein scandal had come to light in numerous court filings. Epstein had invested $1 million to help launch Brunel’s modeling firm, MC2, in return for a “supply of girls on tap” according to one lawsuit.

    “Jeffrey Epstein has told me that he has slept with over 1,000 of Brunel’s girls, and everything that I have seen confirms this claim.” -Daily Beast

    Is this antisemitic to discuss Mr. Brunel? What about Ghislaine Maxwell, the favorite child of the crook of a century and Mossad agent Robert Maxwell: https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/epsteins-accusers-call-her-his-protector-and-procurer-is-ghislaine-maxwell-now-prosecutors-target/2019/08/11/7af5968a-bbbd-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html

    Ghislaine Maxwell was Jeffrey Epstein’s protector and procurer, his girlfriend and his madam. … Together, Epstein and Maxwell allegedly built what prosecutors, police and a growing number of women described as a sex-trafficking operation that crisscrossed the nation…

    Or you still believe that presenting facts about Jewish mafia’ activities is a sure sign of Judeophobia? https://www.mintpressnews.com/genesis-jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-relationship/261455/

    It is this tale of intrigue that fully reveals the extent to which this decades-old alliance between organized crime, the CIA, and Israeli intelligence has corrupted and influenced politicians of both political parties, both through the use of sexual blackmail and through other means of coercion.

    You are certainly wrong about the cultural superiority of the Jewish State. But thanks that you did not dare to imply that Israelis are the “most moral.”

    “The Mega Group, Maxwells and Mossad: The Spy Story at the Heart of the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal — The picture painted by the evidence is not a direct Epstein tie to a single intelligence agency but a web linking key members of the Mega Group, politicians, and officials in both the U.S. and Israel, and an organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties in both nations:” https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epstein-blackmail-roy-cohn/260621/
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  192. @yurivku

    I try to avoid obvious trolls and retards, too, but sometimes I feel like I need to respond when people spew total BS (несут пургу in Russian).

    • Replies: @yurivku
  193. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    That’s what the ‘Bendery Constitution’ emphatically boasts about, that’s what they believed about themselves.

    • Replies: @AP
  194. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    Yes, and Poles boasted about being Sarmatians, that also must have been the case.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  195. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    Why Poles wouldn’t be Sarmatians?

    • Replies: @AP
  196. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    Some Lithuanians claimed to be descended from the Caesars.

    http://www.lituanus.org/1957/57_1_02Puzinas.html

    Why wouldn’t this also not be the case?

    Let’s all believe grandiose origin claims by Early Moderns.

    Or we can go later too – as Blok pointed out, Russians are Scythians.

  197. Seraphim says:

    You are beating around the bush, the usual tactic of avoiding to give a straight answer.

    • Replies: @AP
  198. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Don’t mess with the Jews. You have far more to fear of them than they of you.

    The only people who fear Jews are the unarmed children you shoot, kill and kidnap.
    You aren’t men, the world sees you as cowards.

    Do you think no one sees in your tough talk and threats your insecurity and inferiority complex that makes you spew forth that nonsense?
    We see it in your kind all the time.

  199. Smith says:

    @ AnonFromTX & yurivku

    First “troll”, now “scumbag”!

    First they argue with you.
    Then they insult you!
    Now they ignore you!
    Finally, you win.

    And that’s the end of it.

  200. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    while the Israelis punch so far above their weight, that they themselves have become a superpower

    A super power?….rotflmao!

    Sure you are…..not…..you exist on US aid and weapons and planes and submarines from Germany……all given to Jews because they are poor pitiful victims of Hitler.

    You are really eaten up by your Jewish inferiority complex aren’t you.?…some advice…your insane
    claims arent curing that problem, get some mental help before you explode.

  201. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    As a trader I could really use tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal.

    LOL As a trader you have to trade thru a brokerage and they typically provide up to minute data on stock prices……so why would you need the Wall Street Journal ….you wouldn’t and even if you wanted it to get the gossip on various companies you would surely be subscribed and read it online.

    You are full crap buddy .

    • Replies: @Andrew G. Benjamin
  202. @annamaria

    If I had to answer every antisemitic nonsense puked out by obsessive antisemites who NEVER mention the religion of vastly higher number of Christian or Muslim criminals, I’d have no life left.

    This means if the names were not Epstein or Maddoff, the religion of the criminal would never have been an issue. His name would never even have been noticed, right? That a criminal is a Jew – meaning just like all other people – all of a sudden the racist filled with bile unattractive critter who was likely rejected by a Jewish suitor sick of her character and looks, like cockroaches, come out of the woodwork. I say this in light of the most gorgeous women across the world come to New York, Lost Angeles, Moscow, London, and Budapest, to find themselves a Jewish mate. I mean models, actresses, and dancers. And they do. Some of them even marry the sons and daughters of presidents. Most of them convert to Judaism.

    If I pointed out that Purim is a children’s holiday, or a holiday for children mostly, or similar to, Christmas, and the rituals to Christmas trees under which toys are placed, I’d be called Christianphobic. I don’t think so. I have hundreds of Christian friends and have written many articles in defense of Christianity. For those who think I must really hate Christians, I tell them to tell that two my two Christian wives. One ex, of course, who converted to orthodox Judaism AFTER I had divorced her.

    If I pointed out that most antisemites have never met a Jew in their whole lives, and/or have never interacted with Jews, or did business with Jews, or if they had, never had a bad experience with Jews, this INCONVENIENT fact would be dismissed out of hand. After all, myths are easier to live with to fill a hole in one’s life than fact-based reality – what Jews deal with.

    If I pointed out that all cultures have myths, for example if I might suggest in some circles, the Jesus myth, I’d be called any number of names by the cockroaches crawling out of the woodwork, for their god is better than my god right? Their god has to be better than mine. Even if Jesus was born a Jew, lived the life of a Jew, and died a Jew, and never met a Christian in his life. Even if Jesus’ mother, father, brothers, cousins, uncles and aunts and grandparents were Jewish. ALL OF THEM. And they were – only idiots would deny it.

    If I suggested there’s a 20-40 percent chance that the antisemite has Jewish blood cursing through their veins, that would be laughed off, even if it is absolutely true. What that translates to is that the miserable antisemite hates himself and herself, hates his/hers legacy, and hates his/hers, destiny.

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/hiding-behind-every-christian-blood-platelet-you-will-find-a-jew-lurking

    https://www.ancestry.com/dna/ethnicity/european-jewish

    There is a warehouseful of evidence beyond what you just read – a demonstration of reality-based thinking.

    If I suggested to believers in myths that the Khazar Jew is a myth, invented by a rather remarkable Hungarian man of Jewish descent who later reversed the myth because it did not serve the purpose for which he invented it, I’d be called the mythmaker, rather than the mythmaker who swallowed the fake myth hook, line and sinker. Proving that those of you who pass on myths as if they were true, FAKE NEWS and Fake Myth shall we say, are living in that alternate universe I spoke of: non-reality-based thinking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Koestler

    https://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/myth-khazar-ancestry-jews

    If I told you they are the mythmakers and myth-swallowers themselves who accuse the Jews of the mythmaker’s crimes of mythmaking. Psychological projection on steroids.

    As it were, the best scientists and lawyers, writers, mathematicians and technicians – the best analysts on Wall Street – are all professions requiring reality-based thinking. Professions Jews dominate. Professions that are the most lucrative. Google’s co-chiefs are BOTH Jewish. Amazon’s honcho is Jewish. In other words, the mythmakers are the pots that calls the kettles black.

    How do you spell H I P O C R I S Y?

    I said AND maintain, as there is no evidence to the contrary, the Jews are the brightest people on earth BECAUSE they are reality-based. The Chinese are the best spellers. Blacks are the best basketball players. And Hungarians, as a people, also the smartest. To be the brightest, logically one needs to think reality-based. One cannot violate the laws of physics.

    MATH, science, medicine, biology, physics and law, are ALL reality-based disciplines in which Jews, considering their small numbers, dominate. The person to whom I’m replying obviously does not understand any of these concepts, for hate fills the hole in her life, blinding her to life itself.

    You need evidence? Check these two articles I had posted earlier:

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/26/the-atomic-bomb-considered-as-hungarian-high-school-science-fair-project/

    https://www.aei.org/publication/capitalism-jewish-achievement-and-the-israel-test/

    Not enough? https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/opinion/12brooks.html

    As for the possibly Russian bloke who predicted a dire future for Israel, I had shown the trends are continuing exponentially-growing Israeli influence from global businesses opening shop in Israel and using Israeli technology, as Israel is a major defense, cyber, medical, computer, and military supplier of advanced technology ALL the superpowers need and use – including India and China. Meanwhile Israel is becoming a cultural superpower too, the antisemites wishing and hoping for the failure of the better man – the Jews – will end up exactly the same way their Dear Leader, Dr Fuhrer, ended up.

    First blowing out the brains of his wife he wedded moments before.
    Second, by blowing his own brains out over the back wall.

    Der Fuhrer also loved the non-existent Palestinians:

    https://www.scoop.it/topic/the-palestinians-the-invented-people-of-a-fabricated-nation

    That’s too bad, for no one but the antisemites, losers mostly without a future, people who don’t live in the real world but marinated in envy and resentment and the hole in their lives, and the echo chambers of their mates in kind.

    These antisemites joined at the hip with jihadis have more to worry about.
    The HOPE 4 CHANGE is ending:

    UAE, Bahrainis, Saudis Condemn Hezbollah for Attacking Israel https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/09/03/uae-bahrainis-saudis-censure-condemn-hezbollah-for-attacking-israel/

    Don’t shoot me, I’m just the messenger.
    Over and Out.

  203. yurivku says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Ok, sorry for interfering. I just thought this “vietnameese” guy will never stop spewing his shit if talk to him. But you’re right, some silent readers could get some useful knowledge reading your discussion.

    PS: Every village has its fool (дурачок), probably Vietnam also can have some.

    • Replies: @Smith
  204. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    You are beating around the bush

    I am mocking the silliness by pointing out similar silliness from the same region and similar time.

    To point out the obvious – tiny Turkic ancestry according to DNA indicates that Khazar ancestry among Ukrainians is generally nonexistent.

    But you believe the Early Modern fantasies – Poles are Sarmatians, Lithuanians are Romans, Ukrainians are Khazars.

    Actual potential Khazar descendants (this is disputed):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Karaites

    :::::::::::::::::::

    To point out the obvious, to the clueless:

    https://file.scirp.org/pdf/AA_2017011815275855.pdf

    This study describes ancient R1a haplogroup in two Khazar skeletons, dated about 1200 and 1300 years before present (earlier and later Khazars) though the two belonged to rather distant DNA lineages, with their common ancestor who lived some 1500 – 2000 years before them. Both the Khazars (R1a-Z93) were unrelated to ancestors of the present day ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Belarus, Poles, and other Slavic peoples of haplogroup R1a (predominant subclades are R1a-Z280 and R1a-M458; Rozhanskii & Klyosov, 2012), as well as Scandinavians of haplogroup R1a (the predominant subclade being R1a-Z284; ibid.). There are, however, many peoples with a rather large share of R1a-Z93, who speak Turkic languages, and who seem rather closely related to the DNA lineages of the excavated Khazars (some of them live in the Caucasus, some on the former Scythian and Khazar land, and in the area of Volga river, such as Tatars and Bashkirs. It should be noted that according to DNA genealogy data none of the two ancient Khazars belonged to the Jewish YDNA (Y-chromosomal DNA) lineage.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Seraphim
  205. annamaria says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Your response was long, contorted, self-glorifying, and evasive.

    Back to the main points of my post:
    1. Zionists are myth-driven Fifth-column in the western world
    2. The state of Israel is a permanently quetching country of supremacist beggars and immoral occupiers
    3. The myth-driven zionists have been attacking the freedom of speech in the western world

    You wrote: “Der Fuhrer also loved the non-existent Palestinians.”
    — Are you aware that Der Fuhrer was in correspondence with the leading zionists, loved their settlements (see Eichman’s trip to Palestine), and Hitler’ rise to power was supported by some prominent Jewish bankers? Not interested? — You should, if you want to write about Der Fuhrer: https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf

    How about Knesset arming and supporting Ukrainian neo-Nazi, now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0txqZUjAp3s

    If you insist on discussing the past only: “When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis: Meet Israel’s First Fascists: Some worrying components of Hebrew fascism are still evident in Israel’s right-wing, 80 years on:” https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-when-jews-praised-mussolini-and-supported-nazis-meet-israel-s-first-fascists-1.7538589

    “Einstein Letter Warning Of Zionist Fascism In Israel: Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times, 1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin:”
    http://wilsonweb.physics.harvard.edu/HUMANRIGHTS/Einstein_Letter_Warning_Of_Zionist_Facism_In_Israel.html

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Andrew G. Benjamin
  206. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    There is nothing more ignorant about what I wrote:

    – Ukraine: the reigning government there is Kiev. Donetsk and Lugansk are not even a part of Ukraine right now. And all 03 of them would like to possess nukes.
    – Hong Kong: doesn’t matter if the current government is pro-China, the fact they have nukes is paramount.
    – Palestine: Hamas is NOT a government, there is the State of Palestine. ALSO, Hamas would favor having nukes in Palestine.
    – Taiwan: again, the fact they have civil war if China invades or not doesn’t matter if they should have nukes or not (which they should).

    Also, I’m not an american, I’m a vietnamese.

  207. Smith says:
    @yurivku

    I hope the silent readers realize how the russians are cowards for talking behind someone back, and they would wonder why Russia can have nukes, but Ukraine somehow can’t.

  208. Smith says:
    @annamaria

    Stop the myth.

    Der Fuhrer got this to say about Zionism:
    “While the Zionists try to make the rest of the World believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.
    It is a sign of their rising confidence and sense of security that at a time when one section is still playing the German, French-man, or Englishman, the other with open effrontery comes out as the Jewish race.”
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/342153-while-the-zionists-try-to-make-the-rest-of-the

    This will is the same will that most anti-Zionists have nowadays, except some of them are plagued by anti-colonialism thought, which is a hypocritical disease from the left considering they support colonialism from China.

  209. @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Khazar Jew is a myth, invented by a rather remarkable Hungarian man of Jewish descent

    Arthur Koestler did not invent this; he published The Thirteenth Tribe in 1976 but Khazar Jews were known well before. For example the same “myth” is mentioned in this book written in 1951 and published in 1954:

    https://archive.org/stream/BeatyJohnTheIronCurtainOverAmerica1.o/Beaty_John_-_The_Iron_Curtain_over_America%281%29.o_djvu.txt

    I have no time to investigate but I would think that there’s ample historical evidence about the Judaism of the Khazars going back in time. Anyway, if not, according to DNA studies you are mostly genetically similar to those Palestinians and Arabs you love to hate so much. Surprisingly their achievements pale compared to their genetic Jewish cousins.

    I admit Israel’s popularity is rising in some areas, especially in certain parts of Eastern Europe, but I suspect that in Poland it is falling dramatically of late, as well as elsewhere like Turkey. It’s popularity does go through ups and downs but we’ll see if your optimism is justified. I’d be wary of Jews because they have betrayed Europeans to Muslims in the past. I have personally had no bad experiences with Jews and have no reason to dislike them on a one to one basis, however observing their actions and investigating their role throughout history does tend to make one an antisemite. Anyway I don’t see why I or other Europeans have to be exposed to them any more, whether we like or dislike them, as they now have their own country so they can all go and stay there so we don’t have to bother with them any more other than when they visit as Israeli tourists, and hopefully well behaved ones.

  210. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Many Ukrainians (and others too) think that modern day Romanians are actually descended from or closely related to Gypsies – fact or fiction? 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AP
  211. @Mr. Hack

    What’s the point of obsession with who descended from whom? People and nations should be judged by their virtues, vices, and present-day behavior, not by their ancestry. As far as nations go, it was well said that every nation has the government it deserves.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  212. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Although an interesting topic to be sure, trying to figure out the origins of any nationality, you’re right in that whatever group one is descended from, it’s more important how that nationality fares in today’s modern world. A lot of these origin theories are based on myth and propaganda wooven by storytellers that are no longer known to the world. I was just trying to also cast some doubt on Seraphim’s tenacious beliefs in one of these theories regarding Ukrainians, by pointing out other fruitless theories regarding his own nationality, Romanian. AP’s point in comment #207 pretty much closes any possible belief about the veracity of Seraphim’s closely held ideas about the Khazar origins of the Ukrainians!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AnonFromTN
  213. @Mr. Hack

    You are right, all these origin “theories” are based on myths and very often serve to claim something, good or bad, that the current state of affairs does not allow claiming. In general, I find them all highly suspicious and always look for ulterior motives of people pushing those “theories”.

    Personally, I don’t think Ukrainians descended from Khazars. Phenotypically, most Ukrainians look like Eastern Slavs, with a significant admixture of Turks (Southern Ukraine), Poles (Western Ukraine) and Russians (Eastern Ukraine). The prevalence of dark eyes and hair (reflected in many Ukrainian folk songs) suggests that Turkish component is about as great as in Bulgarians. These are certainly non-Slavic features. The coat of arms (“tryzub”) is a clear knockoff of Khazar tamga, but that was chosen mostly out of desperation in seeking something non-Russian than because of significant Khazar component. The language, both vocabulary and grammar, is clearly Eastern Slavic, most closely related to Russian and Belorussian. However, Ukrainian has some borrowed European (German, Italian, etc.) everyday words, whereas in Russian foreign words (with the exception of some French ones) are only used in the areas of science, technology, and art.

    • Replies: @AP
  214. @Mr. Hack

    BTW, considering that Khazars were Turkish people, those “patriotic” idiots would be better off not showcasing shaved heads with a long piece of hair (“oseledez”) and “salvar” trousers – both are as Turkish as Ottoman Empire. Embroidered shirts are OK: these are common to all Slavic, Turkish, and Finno-Ugric people.

  215. Mr. Hack says:

    Why “idiots”? I always thought that there was more Turkish genetic accretion in the Ukrainian ethnos than there appears to be. If there were more, this wouldn’t bother me in the least. The predominantly Ukrainian Zaporizhian cossacks lived and warred with their Turkish and Tatar neighbors that also lived in the steppe zone of Southern Ukraine. They incorporated more than just dress and hairdoos from their neighbors, including many words into their language. All of this gives them a noticeable veneer of exoticism that adds to their mystique and macho warrior image. I’m proud of my Ukrainian ethnic roots, and obviously you are not, lending once again to your tarnished Janissar image (also an asiatic image, however, a subservient traiterous kind). 🙁

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonFromTN
  216. renfro says:

    ONCE AGAIN……there is no such thing as a Jewish gene or Jewish blood. The research was ginned up by Jews in an effort to prove Jews are a unique race of people. The ONLY thing genetic testing can show is who you are ‘related’ to , iow, family members . Jews being a tiny population were inbred, married ‘within’ the tribe making them mostly ‘related to ‘each other’. All these hokey ancestry test can’t tell you ‘what you are’—–they only tell you where DNA like yours is found in the world. If your DNA is found in Ireland for instance they tell you you are Irish….and Irish is a nationality not a race. A native African Jew’s DNA is going to show his DNA is predominately found in Africa, its not going to show he is Jewish. A ancestry test that claims it can prove your Jewish ancestry will tell you for instance that your DNA is found in a area in Portugal which has Jews……which only proves you probably had some ancestors from Portugal and doesnt prove they were Jewish.
    Jewish genes and blood is junk science.

    Genetic markers cannot determine Jewish descent
    US National Library of Medicine
    National Institutes of Health
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301023/

  217. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    It is not uncommon among Russians to think that Romanians and gypsies are pretty much the same, or that gypsies are a type of Romanian (I have not heard this much among Ukrainians; Hungarians say this but it’s basically to make fun of Romanians).

    The peoples are not actually related to each other. Romanians are basically a mixture of Slavs, Balkanoids, and Roman colonists. Funny thing is that they have more Slavic descent than do Slavic-speaking Serbs and Bulgarians.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  218. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I always thought that there was more Turkish genetic accretion in the Ukrainian ethnos than there appears to be

    There is very little, about as much as there is Asian descent among the general Russian population.

    Frontier Anglos incorporated Indian words and dress but didn’t really mix much with Indians. Daniel Boone dressed and fought like an Indian but was not one.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  219. @Mr. Hack

    I always knew that people who have no personal achievements to be proud of take pride instead in their nationality, race, gender, religion, and other external things. Thanks for the admission!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Smith
  220. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Phenotypically, most Ukrainians look like Eastern Slavs, with a significant admixture of Turks (Southern Ukraine), Poles (Western Ukraine) and Russians (Eastern Ukraine). The prevalence of dark eyes and hair (reflected in many Ukrainian folk songs) suggests that Turkish component is about as great as in Bulgarians.

    It comes from Balkan rather than Turkish mixture.

    The coat of arms (“tryzub”) is a clear knockoff of Khazar tamga

    Tryzub was deliberatley based on Rus heraldry, in an attempt to demonstrate that Ukriane is the real Rus.

    Here is a coin of Volodymyr the Great:

    Notice the tryzub.

    The language, both vocabulary and grammar, is clearly Eastern Slavic, most closely related to Russian and Belorussian.

    Vocabulary – closer to Polish. Grammar and pronunciation, closer to Rusisan.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  221. @AP

    Are you saying that Prince Vladimir (his name was Vladimir, Volodymyrs appeared many centuries later) borrowed Khazar tamga long time ago? Maybe, I am not a historian.

    Knowing Russian, Ukrainian, and a bit of Polish I can say that Ukrainian vocabulary is much closer to Russian than to Polish. Although many words are not related to Russian equivalents and have non-Slavic origins, like “farba” (paint) clearly came from German Farben, the closest relative of “perukarnya” (hairdresser’s) I know is Catalan perruqueria, etc.

    • Replies: @AP
  222. Truth3 says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    You are such a sophistic asshole. Get lost… and take your bullshit hasbara with you.

  223. Mr. Hack says:

    Vocabulary – closer to Polish. Grammar and pronunciation, closer to Rusisan.

    Actually, a close friend of mine who’s 87 years old (a great tribute to living a clean lifestyle), who worked his whole life between the Library of Congress and the University of Arizona map library, once had in his possession an etymological dictionary of the Russian language where within it showed that up to 40% of the Great Russian vocabulary was borrowed from the Little Russian language (Ukrainian). The dictionary was printed in 1910. He remembers to whom he loaned it too, so I’m going to try and retrieve it from that individual. Loan words from Polish to Ukrainian seems to be more of a one way street from left to right. He also mentioned that he was surprised that there were quite a few loan words from the Greek and Latin languages too. Of course, it’s quite well known that many loan words that made their way into the Russian language were of French and German origin too. Russian vocabulary really seems to be hodge podge of many other languages, of course with a strong Slavic underbase including Old Church Slavonic. I mention all of this not to try and belittle the language, because I happen to like it, but just to point out what a complex language it can appear to be.

  224. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I always knew that people who have no personal achievements to be proud of take pride instead in their nationality, race, gender, religion, and other external things.

    Actually, all of the things that you mention as being symbols of external worth are actually quite internalized for me and do indeed provide me with an internal strength that supercedes anything that I’ve accomplished with my own volition, the most important being my personal relation with my Creator/God. Apparently, you’ve missed the part in the Bible where Solomon, the smartest, wisest, wealthiest, best looking and most revered King of his time had this to say about your own type of reliance on self promotion and earthly accomplishments:

    Ecclesiastes 2:11
    Yet when I considered all the works that my hands had accomplished and what I had toiled to achieve, I found everything to be futile, a pursuit of the wind; there was nothing to be gained under the sun.

    Ecclesiastes 2:17
    So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. For everything is futile and a pursuit of the wind.

    Ecclesiastes 2:26
    To the man who is pleasing in His sight, He gives wisdom and knowledge and joy, but to the sinner He assigns the task of gathering and accumulating that which he will hand over to one who pleases God. This too is futile and a pursuit of the wind.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  225. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Are you saying that Prince Vladimir (his name was Vladimir, Volodymyrs appeared many centuries later) borrowed Khazar tamga long time ago? Maybe, I am not a historian.

    Actually the original sounds like the Ukrainian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_(name)

    The Old Russian form of the name is Володимѣръ Volodiměr, the Old Church Slavonic one Vladiměr.

    The borrowing seems to have been from Scandinavia:

    Most historians agree that the medieval symbol was not intended as depicting a trident, but rather, was a symbol of the Holy Trinity;[2] it also was most likely a stylized falcon. Depictions of a flying falcon with a Christian cross above its head have been found in Old Ladoga, the first seat of the Kievan Rurik dynasty,[3] of Scandinavian lineage.[4] Such a falcon, along with a cross are also featured on the coins of Olaf Guthfrithsson, a Viking king of Dublin and Northumbria.[3] Falconry for centuries has been a royal sport in Europe. The gyrfalcon (known also as Norwegian falcon) was considered a royal bird and is mentioned (ukr.: кречет) in one of the earliest epics of Ruthenia, the 12th century poem The Tale of Ihor’s Campaign.

    Knowing Russian, Ukrainian, and a bit of Polish I can say that Ukrainian vocabulary is much closer to Russian than to Polish.

    That’s just nonsense, sorry.

    Most common nouns in English language:

    https://www.espressoenglish.net/100-common-nouns-in-english/

    1. time Polish chas, Ukrainian chas, Rusisan vremya
    2. year Polish rok, Ukrainian rik, Russian god
    3. people Polish ludze, Ukrainian liude, Russia liude
    4. way Polish sposob, Ukrainian sposib, Russian sposob
    5. day Polish dzien, Ukrainian den, Russian den
    6. man Polish chloviek, Ukrainian cholovik, Russian chelovek
    7. thing Polish zhech (spelled rzecz), Ukrainian rich, Russian vyeshch
    8. woman Polish kobieta, Ukrainian zhinka, Russian zhenshchyna
    9. life Polish zycie, Ukrainian zhytia. Rusisan zhyzn
    10. child Polish dietsko, Ukrainian dytyna, Russian rybyonik
    11. world Polish sviat, Ukrainian svit, Russian svet (but myr is more common)
    12. school Shkola all three languages
    13. state Polish panstvo, Ukrainain derzhava, Russian gosudarstvo
    14. family Polish rodzina, Ukrainian rodyna, Russian semya (in Russian rodyna means homeland but accent is on first syllable whereas Ukrainian rodyna [family]has accent on second)
    15. student Polish student, Ukrainian uchen, Russian uchenyk
    16. group Polish grupa, Ukrainian hrupa, Russian grupa
    17. country Polish kray, Ukrainian krayina, Russian strana
    18. problem Polish problem, Ukrainian problema, Russian problema
    19. hand Polish reka, Ukrainian ruka, Russian ruka
    20. part Polish cheshch, Ukrainian chastyna, Russian chast
    21. place Polish mieysce, Ukrainian mistse, Russian myesto
    22. case Polish sprava, Ukrainian vypadok (I’ve heard sprava a lot, Galicianism?), Russian dyelo
    23. week Polish tydzien, Ukrainian tyzhden, Russian nedyela

    So of the 23 nouns, 7 are in common with Polish and Ukrainian but not Russian, 2 are in common with Russian and Ukrainian but not Polish, 12 are in common for all three languages, and only 2 are unique for each language.

    That’s just a sample, the rest is probably similar.

    Although many words are not related to Russian equivalents and have non-Slavic origins, like “farba” (paint) clearly came from German Farben, the closest relative of “perukarnya” (hairdresser’s) I know is Catalan perruqueria

    If you knew Russian you would know that Ukrainian perukarnya is like Russian “парикмахер.” 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  226. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    Where you are beating around the bush is when you try to dismiss the fact that, at least at a certain point in time, ‘Ukrainians’ believed that they were Khazars and took it as a mark of their ‘difference’ from the Moskali. Perhaps you have some idea of the controversy that raged in the time of Stalin about the theory of Artamonov about the role of the Khazars in the development of the Russian state.

    • Replies: @AP
  227. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    Where you are beating around the bush is when you try to dismiss the fact that, at least at a certain point in time, ‘Ukrainians’ believed that they were Khazars and took it as a mark of their ‘difference’ from the Moskali.

    They actually were focused on their equality with the supposedly Sarmatian Poles.

    I don’t dismiss the fact that for a period of time Ukrainians claimed to be Khazars, I dismiss the idea that there was any reality behind this fantasy.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  228. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    This is the same guy who thinks Russia should keep nukes (because russians has never used nukes) while Ukraine should not have nukes (because for some reasons, another country i.e. the USA has used nukes).

    Stick to your own principles! Nukes are EXTERNAL things, Russia/Ukraine/nationality is EXTERNAL thing.

  229. @AP

    I leave you with your delusions about relationship between Ukrainian and Polish – it apparently makes you feel better. There aren’t many things in the real world that can make Ukrainians feel better, so we have to be forgiving here.

    The name Vladimir has nothing Scandinavian in it. It has two purely Slavic roots and literally means “the owner of the world”. That’s why Russian princes liked this name, as well as Vsevolod (meaning “the one who owns everything”). They sure had their delusions of grandeur, like most monarchs.

    I like your idea of teaching me Russian. Russian is my first language, the dialect spoken around Lvov – second, literary Ukrainian – third, English – forth. As to Russian “парикмахер”, it actually means “wig maker”, and is indeed related to “perukarnya”, as in French wig is “le perruque” (hence Catalan “perruquerria”, as Catalan is somewhere in between French and Castilian (commonly known as Spanish, although Catalan, Portuguese, and Latin Americans call it Castilian)). In Russian word “парикмахер” the part “махер” is German “macher”, which means maker or doer. Perruque is certainly not a Slavic word. Neither is Russian “parik”, descended from the same French word with a bit more changes, to be honest.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Smith
  230. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    your delusions about relationship between Ukrainian and Polish

    Word list is obvious. You can speak of delusions whatever you wish – evidence was clear. I posted the 23 most common nouns in English and Ukrainian had many more words in common with Polish than with Russian.

    Then you have other words – “yes” is Tak in both Polish and Ukrainian, and “Da” in Russian. Dad is “Tato” in Ukrainian and Polish, Papa in Russian. Flower is “kviat” in Polish, “kvitka” in Ukrainian but “tsvetok” in Russian. “Onion” is cebula in Polish and Tsybula in Ukrainian, but “Luk” in Russian. Etc.

    The name Vladimir has nothing Scandinavian in it.

    I didn’t post that the name Vladimir had Scandinavian origins. I posted:

    “The Old Russian form of the name is Володимѣръ Volodiměr, the Old Church Slavonic one Vladiměr.”

    So the Ukrainian version of the name, Volodymyr, matches the Old Rus form of the word. The Russian version, in contrast, is the Church Slavonic version.

    So when you wrote “Prince Vladimir (his name was Vladimir, Volodymyrs appeared many centuries later)” you were clearly wrong, as usual.

    In addition to showing how you are wrong as usual, it’s also nice illustration of how Ukrainian is an organic language based on local vernacular of the Rus people, while Russian is more artificial and loaded with Church Slavonic or French words.

    I like your idea of teaching me Russian. Russian is my first language

    I was teasing you, obviously.

    It was funny that you wrote “Although many words are not related to Russian equivalents and have non-Slavic origins, like “farba” (paint) clearly came from German Farben, the closest relative of “perukarnya” (hairdresser’s) I know is Catalan perruqueria” when there was a Russian equivalent to Ukrainian. You forgot?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  231. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    This guy and his butthurt against ukrainian is legendary.

    It seems to be pro-Russia, you have to be anti-Ukraine after all. Bad form, bad form.

    I hope ukranian can soon have their independence from both the West and Russia, they deserve it.

  232. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    But if ‘they’ were focused on the equality with the Sarmatian Poles why didn’t they simply claim they were Sarmatians? There was no PR advantage to claim descendance from the ‘zhidy’ Khazars “chastised with many punishments for its multiple iniquities and sins, degraded and humbled, and reduced to a state of almost perpetual ruin and made subject to the Polish Kingdom” (it is likely that by the ‘multiple iniquities and sins’ Orlyk was alluding to their conversion to Judaism – Kiev was the home of the sect called Judaizanti, or zhidovstvuishchie) from which they wanted to be liberated. It is an argument that Orlyk was firmly believing in the Khazar descendance and that the claim was directed against the Poles as much as against the Russians.
    Romanians never claimed a descendance from Gypsies, let alone boasting about it.

    • Replies: @AP
  233. peterAUS says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    A question if I may.

    Which group, exactly, is on the top in USA? Anglos or Jews?

    You appear to be on the topic and willing to share your stuff. A very good friend of mine and I got into a debate yesterday and hit that snag. We both aren’t sure, but, he feels it’s Jews and I feel it’s Anglos.

    Yes, they do work together (Anglo top elite and Jewish top elite, that is…), but, at the end of the day, as in any human organization, SOMEBODY has to be on the top. Even committees have chairmen etc.

    So, what say you? Your tribe or Anglos?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @peterAUS
  234. Seraphim says:
    @peterAUS

    Can you really see any difference?

    • Replies: @AP
  235. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    But if ‘they’ were focused on the equality with the Sarmatian Poles why didn’t they simply claim they were Sarmatians?

    This claim appeared later, when the word Rus was said to come from a Sarmatian tribe, Roxolany.

    Cossacks claimed to be the equal of Poles, but not Poles. Thus they did not claim to be Sarmatians because that would make them Poles. But instead they were another Turkic people, the Khazars, and thus they were equal to the Poles/Sarmatians.

    There was no PR advantage to claim descendance from the ‘zhidy’ Khazars

    Sure there was. The “Polish” (including Lithuanian and Ukrainian) way of thinking in the 16th-17th century was that Slavs were inherently inferior and servile creatures, Turks who ruled arguably Europe’s single strongest Empire were not. So in their minds, Polish nobles became Turkish Sarmatians (this was reflected in their dress) and Ukrainian Cossacks became Turkish Khazars.

    This did not mean that they thought Turks or Khazars themselves were good. Poles/Sarmatians felt that they were redeemed due to their Catholicism, Cossacks/Khazars that they were redeemed through their Orthodoxy. Thus Poles were enemies of the Ottomans and Tatars, despite seeing them as their equals and fellow-Turks. And Cossacks had no qualms about pogromming Jews, and fighting their Ottoman and Tatar peers.

    So there was no contradiction between bragging about Orthodox Cossacks alleged Khazar descent while chastising unredeemed Jewish Khazars and their descendants. Just as there was no contradiction between Polish noble bragging alleged Turkish/Sarmatian descent while chastising and going to war against the unredeemed Muslim Turks and Tatars.

    I thought you knew about Sarmatism?

    Romanians never claimed a descendance from Gypsies, let alone boasting about it.

    Perhaps they are too insecure about this 🙂

    Russians often have trouble differentiating between the two peoples.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Daniel.I
  236. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    LOL, you don’t see any difference between WASPs and Jews?

  237. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    That’s a good one: Romanians are too insecure to claim that they are Gypsies! But you know better, don’t you? You know that calling someone a Gypsy is an ethnic slur, an insult actually.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  238. Marcus says:
    @AP

    Yeah but Ukraine and southern Russia were occupied again and again by Turkic nomads: Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Khazars, Patzinaks, Cumans, Tatars, etc. BTW probably like 25% of Amerindians today have European ancestry

    • Replies: @AP
  239. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Is the wisdom of King Solomon comparable to anything you’ve done or said? Of course, even he missed the mark too…(there’s hope for us all!). 🙂

  240. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    I guess it depends on where you’re from. In the US and other parts of Western Europe being labeled a gypsy is not a condescending term, but actually is seen as a symbol of “freedom”. Super group Fleetwood Mac made this abundantly clear in their massive hit song “Gypsy”.

    So take a breath of fresh air and relax, Seraphim. I appreciate your banter here and vividly remember your enlightening comments regarding the history of the Danubian plane…

  241. @AP

    Ukrainian is an organic language based on local vernacular of the Rus people, while Russian is more artificial and loaded with Church Slavonic or French words

    Just ask yourself, how realistic is it that written Church Slavonic affected the language of illiterate Russian peasants on a territory greater that the whole EU? Here is a piece of info to give residents of handkerchief-sized countries some perspective: the driving distance from Arkhangelsk in the North to Krasnodar in the South of Russian European part is >2,500 km, about as much as from Lisbon to Berlin.

    Isn’t it more reasonable to hypothesize that Belorussian, Ukrainian and its local dialects, as well as Russian and its local dialects developed from the vernacular of corresponding areas? The people living in all these areas considered themselves Russians (e.g., in Kiev St. Sofia Cathedral, built in 1047, people call themselves Russians in ancient inscriptions).

    Besides, “The tale of Igor’s campaign” (Слово о полку Игореве) was written somewhere around years 1185, and it is written in distinct Russian (an educated Russian speaker can understand most of it even today; arguably the language is closer to modern Russian than Shakespeare language to modern English). You theory fails to explain these facts.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
  242. AP says:
    @Marcus

    Slavs mass settled those areas mostly after the Turkic peoples were driven away. Ukrainians have very little Turkic ancestry according to DNA studies.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Robjil
  243. Marcus says:
    @AP

    What studies and what is “Turkic DNA,” far eastern? Anatolian Turks have little of that.

  244. Mikhail says: • Website

    On the subject of Ukraine, the effort to end the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that’s loosely affiliated with the Moscow Patriarchate has taken a flop:

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2019/0904/Why-religion-and-politics-are-a-fickle-mix-in-Ukraine

    Regarding Canada and the svidos:

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2019/09/04/whitewashing-collaborationism/

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  245. Robjil says:
    @AP

    Even the Turks in Turkey don’t have much Turkic DNA. Most have Greek/Italian, West Asian (Arab), or Caucasian (Armenian, Kurd) DNA. Central Asian DNA is Turkic DNA. Most Turks have a very small percentage of Central Asian DNA.
    The reason why is the Muslim Turkic Central Asian Overlords dominated the towns of Asia Minor, converted the masses. Turkish became the language to join the overlords over the centuries. Greek and Armenian became less spoken or only spoken by those who remained Christian. Kurdish survived longer because Kurds were Muslim overlords too in Asia Minor.

    • Replies: @AP
  246. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    “Ukrainian is an organic language based on local vernacular of the Rus people, while Russian is more artificial and loaded with Church Slavonic or French words”

    Just ask yourself, how realistic is it that written Church Slavonic affected the language of illiterate Russian peasants on a territory greater that the whole EU?

    Well, standard Russian is littered with Church Slavonic and French words, so it affected the Russian people very much. It’s why Russians use Vladimir, a Church Slavonic name, while Ukrainians still use the original Old Rus Volodymyr.

    Besides, “The tale of Igor’s campaign” (Слово о полку Игореве) was written somewhere around years 1185, and it is written in distinct Russian (an educated Russian speaker can understand most of it even today; arguably the language is closer to modern Russian than Shakespeare language to modern English

    You probably refer to a translation made in 1800 (the original was destroyed by fire during Napoleon’s invasion of Russia), based on a 16th century transcription. Catherine II had a translation in which the translator stated he changed some “Little Russian” and “Polish” words from the original, that Russians would not understand. So it is more Russian than the original was.

    This is the original 1800 translated version:

    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BA%D1%83_%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82

    This is the 1800 version transcribed into modern Russian Cyrillic, with attempts to remove some modernisms from 1800:

    http://www.infoliolib.info/rlit/drl/slovorec.html

    Note that it uses both Vladimir and Volodymyr as names:

    Lines 16, 17:

    Почнемъ же, братiе, повесть сiю отъ стараго
    Владимира до нынешняго Игоря

    Lines 222-223:

    Се у Римъ крычять подъ саблями половецкыми,
    а Володимиръ подъ ранами. Туга и тоска сыну Глебову!

    This work included a lot of vernacular but was not written in pure vernacular; there are still Church Slavonic elements. This probably explains the use of both versions of Volodymyr.

    Grafitti from 12th century Kiev includes recognizable Ukrainian versions of names, such as Pavlo (rather than Russian Pavel) and the vocative tense that does not exist in the Russian language.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  247. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    No eloquent, educational and sophisticated reply so far?!

    True, it’s hard.
    If Jews are on top, well, admitting that would be counterproductive. Can’t have it.
    The problem is that pride, and ego, thing, especially at this stage. “Admitting” that Anglos are on top.

    Still, I am sure that a proper reply can be manufa…I mean produced, and presented here. Pointing to Anglos, of course, but still not giving them too much credit.

    If masters of the game can’t handle it …..hehe….maybe they are slipping. Hubris does that to people. Disappointing.

  248. AP says:
    @Robjil

    Even the Turks in Turkey don’t have much Turkic DNA. Most have Greek/Italian, West Asian (Arab), or Caucasian (Armenian, Kurd) DNA. Central Asian DNA is Turkic DNA. Most Turks have a very small percentage of Central Asian DNA.

    Ukrainians have very little of all of that DNA. They are basically just Slavs, with a some Balkan descent (which makes them a bit darker than their Slavic neighbors).

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Marcus
  249. Robjil says:
    @AP

    I know. Balkan DNA is very common in Southeast Europe. Lots of Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians and Ukrainians have it. Ukrainians don’t have much of the three most common Asia Minor DNA that I mentioned. Ukrainians are more removed from the Greek/Italian, West Asian and Caucasian center which is the East Med. – Greece, Italy, and Turkey.

  250. @AP

    You are writing as if Church Slavonic came from Mars, rather than was based on the local vernacular of the time.

    BTW, vocative is not a tense, it’s a case (along with Genitive, Dative, and the rest of them). Russian has rudimentary vocative, which it inherited from the same old Eastern Slavic language that gave rise to Russian, Ukrainian, and Belorussian, with all local dialects.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  251. @Mikhail

    It’s even worse than that. Jerusalem Patriarch Theophilos III recently refused to recognized Ukrainian pseudo-church organized by Porky, saying “I recognize only one Church in Ukraine, headed by Met. Onuphry” (http://orthochristian.com/123625.html).

    • Replies: @Smith
  252. AP says:

    You are writing as if Church Slavonic came from Mars, rather than was based on the local vernacular of the time.

    Church Slavonic came from what is now Macedonia, it certainly did not arise from the local vernacular in Russia though it adopted some elements:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Old-Church-Slavonic-language

    Old Church Slavonic language, also called Old Church Slavic, Slavic language based primarily on the Macedonian (South Slavic) dialects around Thessalonica (Thessaloníki). It was used in the 9th century by the missionaries Saints Cyril and Methodius, who were natives of Thessalonica, for preaching to the Moravian Slavs and for translating the Bible into Slavic. Old Church Slavonic was the first Slavic literary language … Old Church Slavonic was readily adopted in other Slavic regions, where, with local modifications, it remained the religious and literary language of Orthodox Slavs throughout the Middle Ages.

    …had significant influence on the modern Slavic languages, especially on the Russian literary language that grew out of a compromise style incorporating many Church Slavonic elements into the native Russian vernacular.

    :::::

    So literary Russian, spoken by modern Russian people, is an artificial combination of vernacular with Church Slavonic (and French added too, to fancy it up suitably).

    BTW, vocative is not a tense, it’s a case (along with Genitive, Dative, and the rest of them).

    Correct.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  253. Seraphim says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Church Slavonic is based on a South-Slavic ‘vernacular’. It did affect the language of ‘illiterate Russian peasants’ for the simple reason that it was spoken, recited, chanted, during Church services that everybody attended. Besides it was the literary language, as such influencing the formation of the Russian literary language.
    “The tale of Igor’s campaign” (Слово о полку Игореве) was not cleared of the suspicion of being a forgery, despite the ‘patriotic’ efforts to prove its authenticity.

  254. Smith says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Yeah too bad about Constantinople, eh?

    Funny how patriarches decides to play politics, and hard.

    Each country its own religion, that is fair. We have no need international cabal claiming as holy men.

  255. Daniel.I says:
    @AP

    Perhaps they are too insecure about this 🙂

    Russians often have trouble differentiating between the two peoples.

    It’s ok, we think of Russians as thieving alcoholic rapists.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  256. @renfro

    If I were to reply to every stupid person, my time would be gone shortly. REREAD what I wrote to the crystal ball comment. What traders would love is TOMORROW’S Wall Street Journal. That you cannot understand what that means tells all one needs to know.

    First, I never referred to brokerages. You have. My bio, at any of my articles tells you what I do for a living. So much for full of crap buddy. One who can’t comprehend what I wrote obviously is.

    Second, to explain how tomorrow’s journal might be of benefit to someone like you who have never traded – obviously – is this. Let’s say the day before yesterday you purchased at the close 15,000 X shares @ 200/sh. You have tomorrow’s WSJ on your desk open, that shows tomorrow’s close for X at a 10% rise because the co reported better earnings than the analysts anticipated. Ditto if you were to short. Another technique you probably don’t understand.

    15,000 shares long close of market Sept 4 = $3,000,000. 15,000 shares sold Sept 5 at close = $3,300,000 on a day trade. Profit, $300,000, which buys lunch at the Oyster Bar with good wine for two, and a $2000 Russian hooker for the night, courtesy of Vladimir Putin’s recommendation, and of his oligarchs, with a room for the night at the Plaza – formerly owned by America’s terrific president. You still go home with $296,000 minus short term capital gains taxes.

    If you were not adverse to position trade for a few days considering the gap up on X, that may just run a couple of days more before retracing, you might double the profit. You will still pay short term cap gain taxes, and change to a different hooker for each night you stay on at the Plaza, decorated by Ivana.

    Now you understand what tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal can do for Jews who can regularly eat at diners which you can’t afford, and rent the hookers and the hotels in which lobbies you will never enter. Now go back to stare up at your fading Hope & Change posters.

    • Replies: @renfro
  257. @annamaria

    I love how you post myths to confirm you bias, but I will just debunk the first, entirely. I have little time to answer the rest just as removed from reality – or so many fools.

    Eichmann’s visit to Israel, in which you incorrectly suggest that the Nazis’ Der Fuhrer loved Israel’s settlements.

    In fact Eichmann was there on a clandestine mission for one night in 1937, about two-t0-three hours max, when Israel barely had electricity and no street lights, and then unceremoniously sent back. Not having street lights, Eichmann saw nothing, not even the reflection of his memories. His alleged meeting with an Israeli soldier was arranged only because Israel wanted more Jewish migration (it still does) to settle the land. Eichmann was chosen for the Chosen People later, to get rid of Hungary’s Jews, as it were, Zionism was started in Hungary by another great Hungarian Jew. So was the hydrogen bomb, https://www.atomicheritage.org/profile/edward-teller , currently a science project in Israeli high schools, as no antisemite could have ever come up with such brilliant math.

    The lowlife Eichmann then reported back to the Micro Penis, formerly known as Der Fuhrer to his micro penis followers, that the Israeli state was not viable. That it will never succeed. The Jews will fail, so we, The Master Race of SUPERMEN, might as well freely rob and steal the Jooz property and wealth, and their lives, and then join the Jihadis as all good Nazi Socialists would.

    We good Nazis, Eichmann and his micro penis leader surmised, must make sure the Jihadis will do our job there before we join the Jihad and submit to Allah’s will. And so, the Nazis did join the Jihad, now known as the Palestinian Movement invented in Moscow about 1964.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9090/soviet-union-palestinians

    [MORE]

    In 1937 LEFTenant Eichmann (not a misprint, for Nazism was anticapitalist leftism on steroids, envy and resentment of the better man, the Jews), had dinner in Israel before he was kicked out by the seat of his pants, and then he left until he returned unwillingly, courtesy of Mossad. He saw nothing. Even his micro penis is gone. https://blog.nli.org.il/en/eichmann_secret_visit/

    After the war he returned to be tried and hanged, along with his mania and hate and stupidity (and micro penis), he saw even less, and certainly did not see the massive global success that is Israel today, and the massive contributions of the Jewish People whose members now sit inside the White House of the nation that, at the loss of tens of thousands of its patriots, and millions of the brave Soviet troops, ended the Regime of the Master Race of Supermen with Micro Penises and their crazed and sexually unsatisfied women who worship at the altar of Hitler’s image over their beds.

    https://www.livescience.com/53818-hitler-micropenis.html

    Does anyone wonder then, why the world’s most beautiful and desirable Christian women flock to New York, LA, Moscow, Milan and Budapest to find themselves a Jewish mate? And then convert to Judaism? This, in contrast to the grotesquely obese and gruesome hags of the Master Race, the antisemite nobodies, and the skinheads in the boondocks with their Hitler posters in their bedrooms giving them hard ons?

    Here’s that story:

    • Replies: @annamaria
  258. Marcus says:
    @AP

    Not sure how accurate this is. The main difference between Ukrainians and their neighbors seems to be the nasal ridge and a more square jawline. Very different from both Poland and Russia, but closer to the latter I’d reckon

    View post on imgur.com

  259. @AP

    So, Zhukovsky, Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Esenin, Blok, Mandelshtam, Bulgakov, Shokhov and many others wrote in artificial language, whereas Shevchenko, Lesya Ukrainka, Franko wrote in a natural one? Then I choose “artificial” Russian over “natural” Ukrainian every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Mr. Hack
  260. @Daniel.I

    In your case “thinking” is clearly an overstatement.

  261. annamaria says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    Andrew G. Benjamin has included a lot of racy pics and has spiced his post with racy words but Andrew G. Benjamin has completely omitted the recent — and indisputable — facts of the Jewish State’s arming and supporting Ukrainian Banderites (the self-proclaimed neo-Nazi).

    Instead of hysterical denunciations of the long-died Nazis, Andrew G. Benjamin should give some attention to the ongoing scandal of the Jewish support for neo-nazi in Ukraine.

    See the well-documented cooperation between Nuland-Kagan and Banderites and see the astonishing document exposing the holobiz activists at the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center as the ardent supporters and protectors of Ukrainian neo-nazi. “How the Israel Lobby Protected Ukrainian Neo-Nazis” https://portside.org/2014-11-20/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis.

    If passed, Conyers’ amendment would have explicitly barred those found to have offered “praise or glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols” from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense. …

    Despite their stated mission to combat anti-Semitism and violent extremism, the ADL and Wiesenthal Center refused to support Jeffries and Conyers’ proposal.

    This is Nuland-kagan’s baby:
    Neo-nazi Azov Battalion, the recipients of Israeli rifles from the Jewish State: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Mr. Hack
  262. annamaria says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The politically-correct Belorussian recipient of the Nobel Prize in Literature wrote exclusively in Russian. The contex: https://www.greanvillepost.com/2015/10/13/kulturkampf-playing-political-football-with-the-nobel-prizes/

    … the Nobel prize committee is by now largely bankrupt in terms of moral integrity, one more totally infiltrated tool of Western—read: US—propaganda. …

    The disease gave us warning. In 1973 the Nobel Peace committee cowardly decided to give the prize to both Le Duc Tho, who, representing a viciously victimized state, amply deserved it, and Henry Kissinger, who as chief architect of a Machiavellian policy to advance imperialism and illegitimate war on behalf of the victimizer, did not. More recently (and equally scandalously) the awarding of the peace prize, of all things, to an obvious corporate politician like Barack Obama, barely out of the barn at the beginning of his disastrous and criminal tenure, is just another case in point. Obama’s thickly hypocritical record of nonstop war and reckless support for the most unsavory players on the international scene has eviscerated any credibility this prize ever managed to retain.

    Prizes in other areas are also subject to heavy political arm-twisting by the West, which seeks to accumulate them as trophies to demonstrate its inherent superiority. …

    This reality then makes it inevitable that a morally bankrupt and irredeemable system would seek to manufacture them to order, which is where the Nobel prizes fit in so well, and why—it is our contention—in the present historical context the latest winner, Svetlana Alexandrovna Alexievich, an objectively (whatever else she thinks she’s doing is another story) anti-Soviet, anti-Russian journalist, was chosen for the accolade.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  263. @annamaria

    Nobel Peace and Literature prizes are less trustworthy than used car salesmen. Both are totally politicized. Politicians are professional liars. Compared to politicians, prostitutes are paragons of virtue.
    As American joke puts it:
    – How do you know the politician is lying?
    – His lips are moving.

  264. Smith says:
    @annamaria

    Yeah, look like Israel is backing the wrong source for their take-over then, because this is what the Azov’s political branch wants:
    The party advocates expanding the powers of the President of Ukraine by granting him authority to be the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as well as the head of government.[9][5]

    National Corps favours restoring Ukraine’s nuclear power status and nationalising enterprises which were Ukrainian SSR-owned when Ukraine gained independent in 1991.[5] The party wants Ukraine to break all ties with Russia (diplomatic, trade and cultural ties).[5] It is against Ukraine joining the European Union and against Ukraine joining NATO.[10] It wants to create the “Intermarium Union” with Baltic and Black Sea nations (to include Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc.[10]).[5] The party also advocates expanding the right to bear arms and initiate public discussion about restoring capital punishment for treason and the embezzlement of excessive amounts of government funds by officials.[5]

    National Corps espouses economic nationalism and protectionism.[11]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Corps

    No EU/NATO, no Russia, nuclear power and right to be armed is the pretty much the de-facto way to fix to Ukraine.

  265. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria

    Why not just come right out and point out the “obvious”, annamaria? Since Nuland is herself Jewish, and many of those supporting Ukraine’s efforts to separate itself from the neo-imperialist grasp of its historic Russian masters are undoubtedly Jewish too, perhaps she and her co-idealogues are Nazis too? Like “Ukro-Nazis” they should be labeled “Americo-Nazis”?…This way your argument comes full circle and starts to make some sense. Besides, didn’t pinko commie nutcases like you in the past routinely refer to the US as “imperial fascists”?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  266. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    There you go again, trying to denigrate your own people’s great acheivements in comparison to the achievements of their imperial masters. BTW, you’re such an inconsistant idiot too, for you continuously like to state how much you adore the “‘real Ukrainians” and their “beautiful language” in comparison to the language around Lviv (that is no longer used by the younger generation), not heard on television or even radio there. Obviously, you don’t realize that Shevchenko, in part, was so well respected because he elevated the standard Ukrainian language being developed in Central Ukraine to a literary language. And I’m pretty sure that Franko and Ukrainka too leaned towards the standard language (that you falsely pretend to “adore”), with few local colloquialisms. But I’m becoming used to the false ravings of our resident janissar. 🙁

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  267. @Mr. Hack

    If you read what I wrote, you have a comprehension problem. The beauty of the language does not make those who write prose or poetry in it any better than they are. I was talking about literary qualities of the works of people I mentioned, not the quality of the language they used. Shevchenko was a third-rate poet, not to mention that he wrote his prose in Russian (he was a third-rate writer, as well). In terms of literary talent, neither Franko nor Lesya Ukrainka qualify even as second-rate (say, like Turgenev or Leskov). There were (and are) many talentless people writing in Russian, English, French, Spanish, German, etc. Their writings are pathetic, but that does not mean that the languages they use are. Did I explain it clearly enough?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  268. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The beauty of the language does not make those who write prose or poetry in it any better than they are.

    And making such a glib statement is akin to trying to state something analogous about the English language and Shakespeare. Shevchenko was the father of modern Ukrainian literature, you cretin. Trying to characterize Shevchenko’s poetry as something “third class” is about as stupid a thing that you could or ever will say. Apparently, Shevchenko attracted the admiration of respect of many great literati around the world, including great Russians that undoubtedly know more about literature than you ever will:

    Shevchenko fell ill late in 1860 and never recovered his health. He died on March 10, 1861. His funeral in St. Petersburg was attended by such literary notables as Saltykov-Shchedrin, Turgenev, Dostoevsky, and Leskov. Herzen published an obituary of Shevchenko, and Nekrasov contributed a poem to mark the occasion. Many of Shevchenko’s poems were later set to music by Ukranian and Russian composers including Mussorgsky, Tchaikovsky, and Rachmaninoff.

    I’m sure that these literati were in the habit of paying such high tribute to “third rate” writers. The only one who is less that third rate is yourself, a mousey little pathetic Ukrainian janissar!

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  269. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “Besides, didn’t pinko commie nutcases like you in the past routinely refer to the US as “imperial fascists”?
    — Working on a fiction novel? Don’t like to discuss the valid points but prefer to behave like adolescence?

    Azov Battalion:

    In 2014, it [Azov battalion] gained notoriety after allegations emerged of torture and war crimes, as well as neo-Nazi sympathies and usage of associated symbols by the regiment itself, as seen in their logo featuring the Wolfsangel, one of the original symbols used by the German Nazi Party. …

    The U.S. Congress passed legislation in 2018 blocking military aid to Azov on the grounds of its white supremacist ideology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

    Svoboda (Freedom) Party:

    The Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU) was registered as a party on 16 October 1995; the constituent congress of the party took place on 13 October 1991, in Lviv. …. The party adopted a party emblem that could be associated with the fascist formation and in Europe is used by neo-Nazi organizations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

    “Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine” (2019)

    The stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kyiv is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity. Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. https://www.thenation.com/article/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

    If you’ve got offended by the revelations showing cooperation between the Jewish State, American Israel-firsters and “pure” Ukrainians, it’s is your problem.
    The Azov Battalion leaders were content from its inception to cooperate with the pious Kolomoisky.

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  270. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria

    The far right fringe groups have never managed to become a viable parliamentarian bloc within Ukraine, never obtaining more than about 3% of the popular vote, so you can rest comfortably and not try to scare people with your bizarre observations. You can thank your hero Putler for allowing them to even get to be that big in a country that generally steers clear of radical parties or politics. They were a useful element when Ukraine was viciously attacked by Russia in 2014, and without their fierce military maneuvers, the Russian and Russian backed aggressor would have taken a much larger swath of Ukraine.

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  271. @Mr. Hack

    First, I am not a writer, and never pretended to be. Before you ask, I am not a singer, either, nor a musician, or artist of any kind. My artistic ability is exactly zero.

    As to Shevchenko, let me tell you Soviet politically incorrect joke. To help you understand it, I have to tell you that there was a Chukchi singer (I forget his name), who used to play guitar (or pretend to) on stage.

    The joke:
    Soviet artists organized a concert in New York. First, they put forth a first-rate opera singer. The audience clapped politely. Than they put forth the best rock band they had. The audience clapped politely. Then they put forth that Chukchi singer. The audience went mad, kept clapping and did not let him off stage. The organizers were puzzled and tried to find out what’s the reason for this unexpected reaction. One of the attendees says to the questioner: we’ve heard great opera singers before, we’ve heard great roc bands before, but we never saw a monkey playing guitar and singing on stage.

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  272. renfro says:
    @Andrew G. Benjamin

    First, I never referred to brokerages. You have. My bio, at any of my articles tells you what I do for a living. So much for full of crap buddy. One who can’t comprehend what I wrote obviously is.

    Your bio claims you are a equity trader…iow stock trader.. To buy and sell stocks you must use a brokerage firm. The only other way you are going to buy stocks is thru the few companies that will sell direct to an investor—-but that wouldn’t work for the buy – sell time frame you use because even if you do buy stocks you are operating similar to a ‘day trader’…lol

    Second, to explain how tomorrow’s journal might be of benefit to someone like you who have never traded – obviously – is this.

    Spare me the details, I am up to the gills with that information since my younger brother is a Harvard MBA who first worked for Alex Brown Investment Bank in Baltimore , a very prestigious firm that wouldn’t touch someone like you with a 50 foot pole . He left in the mid nineties to form his own investment company with a partner and handles my investments and trust…so I ‘ve been well versed for 23 years on investing .

    If you were not adverse to position trade for a few days considering the gap up on X, that may just run a couple of days more before retracing, you might double the profit. You will still pay short term cap gain taxes, and change to a different hooker for each night you stay on at the Plaza, decorated by Ivana.
    Now you understand what tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal can do for Jews who can regularly eat at diners which you can’t afford, and rent the hookers and the hotels in which lobbies you will never enter.

    And that rant totally gives you away as just what I said you were —a phony. I’m guessing since you brag so much about money you are probably close to poor and cant rent hookers or pay for fine dining..
    We’ve seen ranting Jews like you on here before, lying, bragging, insulting….its all so obvious and sleazy.

  273. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “They [Banderites] were a useful element when Ukraine was viciously attacked by Russia in 2014, and without their fierce military maneuvers, the Russian and Russian backed aggressor would have taken a much larger swath of Ukraine.”

    — This is a perfect summation of “Maidan Revolution” from the mouths of zionists at the State Dept. In one phrase you have exonerated and extolled Nuland-Kagan (and the whole Kagans’ clan of stink-tankers), Pyatt, Brennan (the CIA minder in Kyiv at a critical time of initiation the ongoing civil war in Ukraine), Obama, the NED’s Karl Gershman, Atlantic Council, Kolomoisky, and Bidens.
    Your writing creates serious competition for Elliot Higgins.

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  274. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria

    So be it. And your dialogue closely resembles most any mindless Kremlin Stooge bot claptrap. 🙂

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  275. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Your insipid attempts to use sovok type humor to somehow try and butress your strange disrespect of Shevchenko is beyond any sane explanation. For centuries Shevchenko has been the paragon of Ukrainian national cultural achievement, and he’s been held in the highest esteem by all strata of society within and outside of Ukraine’s borders. Your boorish attempts to try and denigrate this great bard of Ukraine is a clear sign of your own empty thought process and is quite inexcusable – stick to washing and cleaning your testubes, please.

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  276. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Don’t’ agree with your vile characterization. But I am not surprised that you accept the Ziocon company as your own.

  277. @Mr. Hack

    For centuries Shevchenko has been the paragon of Ukrainian national cultural achievement
    Why not for millennia? Typical Ukie delusion of grandeur. Shevchenko lived 1814-1861, so it has been barely two centuries since his birth, a century and a half since his death. If he is “the paragon of Ukrainian national cultural achievement”, I could have only pitied that achievement, if I didn’t know any better.

    Ukrainian became a literary language since Kotlyarevsky’s Eneyida, written in 1798, before Shevchenko was even born. His two plays, Natalka Poltavka (Natalka from Poltava) and Moskal-Charivnyk (The Muscovite-Sorcerer), became the foundation of the Natalka Poltavka opera and the development of Ukrainian national theater. Kotlyarevsky is rightly considered the first Ukrainian writer. In terms of talent, he beats habitual drunkard Shevchenko hands down. Why stick to third-rate when you have first? Ukies would remain Ukies, though…

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  278. Smith says:

    We are witnessing the Crimean conflict unfolding before our very eyes in this comment section, people.

    Ukrainian side: we don’t like Russia, Ukraine can stand on its own, Russia should mind its own business.

    Russian side: How dare you hate Russia? Why are you such a Zio US tool? Everything great about Ukraine is us, us, us all along, Russia STRONK! We love “ukranian” unless they try to defect from us, that means you are Zio-US pig dogs *take Crimea* Why do you oppress russians so?

    I can safely say at the end of the days, good luck Ukraine!

  279. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    What do you actually “know better” about Shevchenko, that elicits your vile reactions to him?

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  280. @Mr. Hack

    The timing puts Kotlyarevski way ahead of Shevchenko. Not to mention literary quality. I am sure it is not politically correct: Kotlyarevsky was an officer in the Russian Imperial army, whereas Shevchenko was a serf, his freedom was bought by the money collected by a bunch of Russian writers and poets (who were all anti-tsar fronda; Dostoyevsky was a revolutionary in his youth, even spent some years in katorga before wising up, but wise up he did, as should be evident from his “Demons” novel).

    Your response and your previous posts make we wonder whether you can really read and understand Ukrainian. If you can’t, your “opinion” is a typical Western “opinion” about Russian and Ukrainian literature, i.e., worthless. If you can, just read and compare Kotlyarevski and Shevchenko. I suggest adding some Lesya Ukraininka, Franko, and Nechuy-Levytsky (like Кайдашева сiм’я (Kaidash’s Family)) for perspective. If you can read and understand Russian, I suggest Pushkin and Lermontov (in the latter case both poems and prose for proper comparison with Shevchenko). If the answer is still not obvious, I wash my hands off you.

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  281. Mr. Hack says:

    You’ve skirted the issue, totally:

    What do you actually “know better” about Shevchenko, that elicits your vile reactions to him?

    Shevchenko was a literary genius, important to the Ukrainian people for many things, that you as a janissar loathe. If he weren’t, why would the likes of these gentlemen think so highly of him:

    Shevchenko fell ill late in 1860 and never recovered his health. He died on March 10, 1861. His funeral in St. Petersburg was attended by such literary notables as Saltykov-Shchedrin, Turgenev, Dostoevsky, and Leskov. Herzen published an obituary of Shevchenko, and Nekrasov contributed a poem to mark the occasion. Many of Shevchenko’s poems were later set to music by Ukranian and Russian composers including Mussorgsky, Tchaikovsky, and Rachmaninoff.

    Although I’ve read all of the Ukrainian authors that you’ve mentioned in Ukrainian, except for Lesya Ukrainka, and find Nechui-Levytski’s works charming in their own right, not even close to the importance or greatness of Shevchenko and his poetry.

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  282. @Mr. Hack

    why would the likes of these gentlemen think so highly of him

    Because these gentlemen would praise the Devil himself, if he were against the Tsar

    Ukrainian and Russian composers including Mussorgsky, Tchaikovsky, and Rachmaninoff

    Which of these composers is Ukrainian?

    I knew that Ukies cannot stomach anything first-rate. Their praise for Shevchenko and dismissal of Kotlyarevsky and his contribution to the Ukrainian culture is one of many examples of this fact. Yet that culture exists, despite Shevchenko fanboys.

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    , @AP
  283. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Who’s dismissing Kotlyarevsky?…But you still have not pointed out why you so heavily dislike Shevchenko? His poetry is moving to anybody who has a Ukrainian heart and soul, obviously something that you never developed and don’t have. You’re beginning to bore me with your inability to answer a direct question. It would be as if a Scotsman somehow found the poetry of Robert Burns “third rate” – preposterous as are you! 🙁

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  284. @Mr. Hack

    It is sad when political correctness substitutes for taste. Cannot be helped, though.

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  285. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonFromTN

    It’s even sadder when an individual betrays his own people and takes up the cause of its historic imperial masters…

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  286. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    If you can, just read and compare Kotlyarevski and Shevchenko. I suggest adding some Lesya Ukraininka, Franko, and Nechuy-Levytsky (like Кайдашева сiм’я (Kaidash’s Family)) for perspective.

    The Russian reactionary critic Konstantin Leontiev liked Marko Vovchok more than he did Dostoevsky.

    What do you think of Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky’s works? (His son was a scumbag.)

    Your opinion of Shevchenko is bizarre, but you have many bizarre ideas. One of my in-laws is specialist of literature at an excellent Moscow university, he considers Shevchenko to be a solid second-tier poet of the sort many nations do not produce. And he makes fun of Shevchenko’s alcoholism and “saintly” status by Ukrainians.

    Some of Shevchenko’s works are moving (as Mr. Hack observed) in a way that Kotlyarevski’s works are not.

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  287. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Dostoyevsky and Shevchenko appeared together:

    https://www.fedordostoevsky.ru/around/Shevchenko_T_G/

    Хорошая знакомая Достоевского Е.А. Штакеншнейдер записывает в своем «Дневнике» о выступлении Достоевского и Шевченко на литературном чтении в пользу воскресных школ 21 ноября 1860 г.: «Вечером была на чтении в пользу воскресных школ, в Пассаже. Читали Бенедиктов, Полонский, Майков, Писемский, Достоевский и Шевченко. Вот, век изучай и все не поймешь то, что называют публикой. Шевченку она так приняла, точно он гений, сошедший в залу Пассажа прямо с небес . Думаю, что неистовый шум этот относился не столько лично к Шевченко, сколько был демонстрацией. Чествовали мученика, пострадавшего за правду. Но ведь Достоевский еще больший мученик за ту же правду . Шевченко был только солдатом. Достоевский был в Сибири, на каторге. Между тем Шевченка ошеломили овациями, а Достоевскому хлопали много, но далеко не так . Достоевский читал “Неточку Незванову”, вещь немного длинную и растянутую для публичного чтения. К тому же у Достоевского голос слабый и однообразный, по-видимому, не применявшийся еще к подобному чтению».

    Еще раньше Шевченко и Достоевский выступали на аналогичном чтении 11 ноября 1860 г.

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  288. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    A really great summation of Shevchenko’s greatness and importance for the Ukrainian people, taken from an introduction to the fabulous collection of Shevchenko’s works found at the Library of Congress (1998):

    The writings of Taras Shevchenko – a genius of the Ukrainian Nation – belong to all nations. They cross from one continent to the next. Hundreds of monographic studies done in Ukrainian and other languages, written by Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians around the world, could be compared with writings about Walt Whitman in the United States. or Rainer Maria Rilke in Germany. Shevchenko’s works and literature about him are widely represented in the Library of Congress…His indescribably beautiful and stirring poems exposed the terrible conditions under which the Ukrainian nation was suffering, and on the other hand he aroused the Ukrainian people out of their sleep and lethargy. Through the medium of his poems he awakened thoughts of liberty within the hearts of the Ukrainian people, crystallized these thoughts and finally showed the people the only road to freedom – by way of fearlessness, unity and brotherly love. He was Moses of the Ukrainian people who led them out of the wilderness. Every year Ukrainian pilgrims from all over the world come to visit Taras Shevchenko’s grave at Kaniv, in his beloved Ukraine – overlooking the famed roaring, rushing and surging Dnieper. They come to pay their respects to him. Let us also in spirit make this pilgrimage to his grave, and there resolve to obey his precepts of unity, brotherly love and self-sacrifice for our fellow Ukrainians. And let us also resolve never to rest until we have achieved that for which he struggled and slaved for, that for which our ancestors sacrificed their lives and fortunes, and that which is dear to all Ukrainian people – the establishment of a free and independent state of Ukraine.

    http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/shevchenko.html

  289. @AP

    I did not read much of what Mariia Vilinska (writing under pen name Marko Vovchok, likely because of prevailing Ukrainian and Russian macho culture) wrote, and that was ~ 40 years ago, when we studied Ukrainian literature (this was an obligatory subject in the USSR) in school. I don’t recallt her writings impressing me very much. I think she is best at retelling Ukrainian folk stories than in creative writing. I like Nechuy-Levytsky much more – he is remarkably genuine and not pretentious at all. I’d place Vilinska at the same level as Lesya Ukrainka – second to third tier, depending on the point of view. Probably above Panas Myrny (who is at the level of Nekrasov), but that’s not much to write home about.

    Shevchenko’s reception by Russian intelligentsia in the XIXth century has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with literature. As a poet, he was second to third tier, depending on the point of view. As a writer, he was even lower (his prose was written in Russian, anyway). Some of his poems are poignant (you call that “moving”), not because of their quality, but because of his personal story. I think Brodsky in his poem got it right (here are few of many links: https://pan-ikota.livejournal.com/381629.html; https://pegasoff.livejournal.com/429010.html).

    In contrast, Kotlyarevsky is a master in his own right, a real poet, whose poems do not need a teary story to advance them. Not to mention that Kotlyarevsky wrote in literary Ukrainian many years before Shevchenko was even born, let alone learned to read and write. Kotlyarevsky contributed to the development of Ukrainian culture in more ways than one. Shevchenko’s drinking problem was papered over by “progressives” of the time, then by Soviet propaganda, but it was real, nonetheless. I don’t think it significantly affected his writing: his talent was too small to begin with. The fact that Ukies paint him as a saint and the founder of Ukrainian literature is yet another example how false their narrative is. In my view, Ukrainian literature has real achievements and does not need artificially elevated pigmies on struts.

    You (or your relative) are right about the fact that many nations did not produce anyone even of Shevchenko’s caliber. But if we compare his writings with human literary achievements in any language, his place is way below the top.

    To be honest, I did not read Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky. I guess you mean “Тіні забутих предків” (“The shadows of forgotten ancestors”) or “Fata morgana”. Or maybe you can suggest something else he wrote? I’ll try to remedy this omission.

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  290. @Mr. Hack

    One cannot stop being amazed at the short-sightedness or more like voluntary blindness of Ukies.

    First, being the US boot-licker is no more dignified or independent than being Russia boot-licker. So, self-appointed “patriots” praising current policies of the Ukrainian government are nothing but liars and traitors.

    Second, ever since 1991 “patriotism” or “nationalism” of Ukrainian elites was nothing more than a fig leaf to cover up their rampant thievery. It is disgusting, even though some sheeple lap it up.

    Third, Ukraine is too heterogenous to make tribal nationalism a viable option. It does a lot more damage to Ukraine than any enemy can, it ruins the country.

    Fourth, Ukraine is too fragile to survive usage as a battering ram against much tougher and stronger Russia. The Empire doesn’t care about that, for the Empire Ukraine, just like any aborigine country, is worthless and disposable. But those who care about Ukraine should have a different attitude.

    Fifth, those who really care about Ukraine would make effort to develop its economy, culture, and language. First thing would be to compile a serious dictionary of Ukrainian, like Webster. Naturally, this was never done by the ruling thieves, they keep pushing underdeveloped and understudied language on everybody, dragging Ukrainian-speaking people down and inducing a gag reflex in others. This is the greatest disservice anybody ever did to the Ukrainian language.

    I can keep going in this vein, but honest readers would get the drift, whereas Ukies are hopeless: nobody is as blind as someone who refuses to see.

  291. Mr. Hack says:

    So, self-appointed “patriots” praising current policies of the Ukrainian government are nothing but liars and traitors.

    So who’s praising the current government in Ukraine here, anyway? You have a bad tendency to stereotype and type cast people and ideas to fit your narrowly constructed world view.

    Second, ever since 1991 “patriotism” or “nationalism” of Ukrainian elites was nothing more than a fig leaf to cover up their rampant thievery. It is disgusting, even though some sheeple lap it up.

    This is a trend rampant throughout the whole world, not specifically a Ukrainian phenomena. Russia is pretty similar, the one difference being that it has its own godfather who sits at the top of the authoritatian pyramid that everybody needs to pay homage to. Perhaps, Ukraine would benefit from such a similar tyranical system?

    Third, Ukraine is too heterogenous to make tribal nationalism a viable option. It does a lot more damage to Ukraine than any enemy can, it ruins the country.

    Actually. with the ceding of Russian ethnically based territories in the east and south, Ukraine is more homogenous now than ever before in its history. You’re still trapped in a time warp that precedes 2014.

    Fourth, Ukraine is too fragile to survive usage as a battering ram against much tougher and stronger Russia. The Empire doesn’t care about that, for the Empire Ukraine, just like any aborigine country, is worthless and disposable. But those who care about Ukraine should have a different attitude.

    Boloney. Things are getting better there all of the time. If not for the insane Russian inspired war there, Ukraine would be humming along much nicer than what it’s doing today. As for the “Empire” it’s reach and position to control things in Ukraine are getting less and less everyday. Countries around the world are moving away from any such arrangements.

  292. @Mr. Hack

    Amazing set of delusions. Pretty much what you’d expect from a Ukie. Sweet dreams…

  293. @Mr. Hack

    Second, ever since 1991 “patriotism” or “nationalism” of Ukrainian elites was nothing more than a fig leaf to cover up their rampant thievery. It is disgusting, even though some sheeple lap it up.

    This is a trend rampant throughout the whole world, not specifically a Ukrainian phenomena. Russia is pretty similar

    There used to be a joke explaining why Asia develops a lot faster than Africa. Two graduates of a European University, one Asian, the other African, meet, and the Asian invites the African to visit him. The guy comes and sees a huge mansion with parks and fountains around. He asks: when you were a student, you didn’t have two pennies to rub together, where did all this come from? The Asian takes him to a window.
    – See that highway?
    – Yes.
    – 10% were mine.
    Then the African invites the Asian to visit him. The Asian comes and sees a huge mansion with parks and fountains around. He asks: when you were a student, you were also dirt-poor, where did all this come from? The African takes him to a window.
    – See that highway?
    – No.
    – 100% were mine.
    This perfectly describes the difference between corruption in Russia and Ukraine. All the other differences are a direct result of that.

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  294. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I did not read much of what Mariia Vilinska (writing under pen name Marko Vovchok, likely because of prevailing Ukrainian and Russian macho culture) wrote, and that was ~ 40 years ago, when we studied Ukrainian literature (this was an obligatory subject in the USSR) in school.

    Interestingly, she was an ethnic Russian. She married a Ukrainian.

    I don’t recallt her writings impressing me very much.

    They impressed Leontiev and Dostoyevsky.

    Kotlyarevsky is a master in his own right, a real poet, whose poems do not need a teary story to advance them. Not to mention that Kotlyarevsky wrote in literary Ukrainian many years before Shevchenko was even born, let alone learned to read and write.

    Correct.

    Shevchenko’s reception by Russian intelligentsia in the XIXth century has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with literature.

    There is certainly some truth in this but it is too strong a statement. Without some genuine talent they could not have worked with his material.

    Some of his poems are poignant (you call that “moving”), not because of their quality, but because of his personal story.

    They have a universal quality not tied to his personal travails.

    You (or your relative) are right about the fact that many nations did not produce anyone even of Shevchenko’s caliber. But if we compare his writings with human literary achievements in any language, his place is way below the top.

    I am not an expert of literature or poetry, I can merely tell what I find moving. My in-law is, I trust his judgment – Shevchenko is a solid second tier writer, so he was a significant talent. This is particularly impressive given his background. I can’t think of any other person who was born and grew up as a serf who had achieved what he did. And given the extent of serfdom in Ukraine it is logical that he would become a national hero.

    Shevchenko’s drinking problem was papered over by “progressives” of the time, then by Soviet propaganda, but it was real, nonetheless.

    He also had an embarrassing infatuation with a peasant girl who couldn’t appreciate his talent because she was illiterate.

    Some Ukrainian critic (Kulish?) was critical of the Shevchenko-worship because of over-glorification of peasants.

    But his talent and achievements are significant.

    To be honest, I did not read Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky. I guess you mean “Тіні забутих предків” (“The shadows of forgotten ancestors”) or “Fata morgana”.

    Those are his well-known works. I liked a short story he wrote but it was a long time ago and I forgot its title.

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  295. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “Ukraine is too heterogenous to make tribal nationalism a viable option.”
    — Agree. It is hard to expect much of deference towards the Ukrainian language by the Romanians, Polacks, Czechs & Slovaks, whose territories were “appropriated” by the Soviets to augment Ukraine.

    It seems that Russians have rather an easy-going attitude to their ethnic roots, whether Tatar (Sagdeev, Khamatova), German (Nabokov, Witte), Armenian (Florensky), Jewish (Grossman), Ukrainian (Vernadsky) and so forth.

    Below is the map of the “appropriations” after WWII.

    The “appropriations” before WWII:
    https://orientalreview.org/2018/02/20/where-is-ukraine/

    https://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Ukraine-

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  296. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria

    “Ukraine is too heterogenous to make tribal nationalism a viable option.”
    — Agree.

    It’s good to see that you’re agreeing with yourself! (you made this original, but faulty, quote). 🙂

    All of the territories that were added to “augment” the Ukrainian state, except for the Crimea, had a majority of Ukrainians living within them from time immemorial. Please read a history book or two before trying to position yourself as some sort of “expert” on Ukrainian affairs…Please!

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  297. @AP

    Interestingly, she was an ethnic Russian. She married a Ukrainian.

    Well, I don’t judge people on their tribal affiliation. Very small fraction in any nation has talents worth noticing. I don’t think that fraction is significantly different among Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Brits, Germans, etc.

    Shevchenko had some talent, but it was quite limited. In Russian culture the closest analogue would be Gorky: a self-taught guy from the very bottom of the heap, with limited talent, greatly overhyped for political reasons.

    I’ll try to read a novel or two of Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky, will look for short stories, as well.

    BTW, if you like poignant short stories, hardly anyone surpasses Vasyl Stefanyk. He wrote in one of Western Ukrainian dialects, but is quite easy to understand.

    • Replies: @AP
  298. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You have mistaken — my agreement was with the post of another discussant (see post 294).

    You wrote: “All of the territories that were added to “augment” the Ukrainian state, except for the Crimea, had a majority of Ukrainians living within them from time immemorial.”
    — Are you suggesting that the Polacks, Czechs, Slovaks, and Romanians (whose lands were “appropriated” to augment the Soviet republic of Ukraine ) all used to speak Ukrainian?
    Thanks, though, that you recognized the provenance of Crimea.

    “After the middle of the 14th century, present-day Ukrainian territories came under the rule of three external powers:
    1. the Golden Horde
    2. the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland – during the 15th century these lands came under the rule of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, then of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (from 1569)
    3. the Crimean Khanate (from the 15th century). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

    Following the 14th century Galicia–Volhynia Wars most of the territory of modern Western Ukraine was annexed by the Crown of Poland of Casimir the Great. The territory of Bucovina was occupied by Moldavian voivode Dragoș who was departed by the Kingdom of Hungary. The eastern Volhynia and most of Podolia was added to the territory of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania …

    • Easternmost Bukovina, historical region of Central Europe in official use since 1775, controlled by Kingdom of Romania after WWI
    • Eastern Galicia (Ukrainian: Halychyna), once a small kingdom with Lodomeria (1914), province of the Austrian Empire until the dissolution of Austria-Hungary in 1918. …
    • Red Ruthenia since medieval times in the area known today as Eastern Galicia. [Red Ruthenia is a term used since the Middle Ages for the territories of the old western Russian principalities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ruthenia%5D
    • West Ukrainian People’s Republic declared in late 1918 until early 1919 and claiming half of Galicia with mostly Polish city dwellers (historical sense).
    • Carpatho-Ukraine region within Czechoslovakia (1939) under Hungarian control until the Nazi occupation of Hungary in 1944.
    • General Government of Galicia and Bukovina captured from Austria-Hungary during WWI.
    • Ținutul Suceava (Kingdom of Romania)
    • Volhynia, historic region straddling Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus to the north. The alternate name for the region today is Lodomeria after the city of Volodymyr-Volynsky. See also: Polish unofficial term Kresy (Borderlands, 1918–1939) that includes the West Belarus as well as Volhynia.
    • Zakarpattia or Carpathian Ruthenia presently in the Zakarpattia Oblast of western Ukraine.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ukraine

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    , @Mr. Hack
  299. Seraphim says:
    @annamaria

    Hey, don’t you know that Ukrainians “the direct ancestors of most European peoples” built pyramids 300 years before the Egyptians?

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  300. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria

    — Are you suggesting that the Polacks, Czechs, Slovaks, and Romanians (whose lands were “appropriated” to augment the Soviet republic of Ukraine ) all used to speak Ukrainian?

    No, of coure not. What I’m stating is that all of these lands were primarily comprised of Ukrainian inhabitents, or Ruthenians or Rysyns as they were then were called, speaking old Ukrainian dialects known as Ruthenian. These sorts of arrangements were common enough throughout Europe, where states were often an amalgamation of patchworks of different nationalities governed by a different ethnicity. You really need to imimerse yourself in reading a few books about European history and not solely rely on internet output including Wikipedia!

    • Replies: @Old Jew
  301. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    You forgot to inform annamaria that the Romanians, in a similar vein, were the direct transmiters and heirs of Roman culture in Eastern Europe. Out of the embers of the old civilization was placed a new one that was the envy of the pre-modern world. I don’t, however, see anywhere the new shiny beacons representing replacements of the old of the new Roman Coloseum or the new Pantheon anywhere? Fantasy?…

    Out of the old Rome a new one appeared?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  302. Mr. Hack says:

    You forgot to inform annamaria that the Romanians, in a similar vein, were the direct transmiters and heirs of Roman culture in Eastern Europe. Out of the embers of the old civilization was placed a new one that was the envy of the pre-modern world. I don’t, however, see anywhere the new shiny beacons representing replacements of the old of the new Roman Coloseum or the new Pantheon anywhere?

    Out of the old Rome a new one appeared?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Seraphim
  303. @AP

    Do you know a website in the US where you can buy books in Ukrainian? I couldn’t find a source of Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky books, and I would like to have my own copy of Kotlyarevsky’s Eneida and plays.

  304. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Otto von Bismarck:

    The power of Russia can be prevented only by its separation from Little Russia (Ukraine) … it is necessary not just to separate Ukraine, but to make a confrontation between two countries, to set on fire two parts of the one nation, and to observe how a brother kills brother.

    For this, one should find traitors among the national elite and educate them and then with their help to change the self-confidence of a large part of the nation so that people will hate everything that is Russian, will hate their descent without realizing it. Everything else is just a matter of time.

    Your “old civilization” has been converted into Kaganat of Nuland.

    Remember Antaeus.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Seraphim
  305. Old Jew says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Dear Mr. Hack,

    My comment concerns only Northern Bukowina (now Chernivtsy oblast). The Romanian History books, claim that Ruthenians were brought into Bukowina between 1775 and 1850 when the province was administered from Lemberg (Lviv). Not immemorial times!

    In Czernowitz (Chernivtsy), the capital of Bukowina, there was no Ruthenian majority, before the 29 June 1940 (Soviet Ultimatum to Kingdom of Romania to vacate that territory in 3 days).
    Now – 2019 there is a Ukrainian majority.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Seraphim
  306. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria

    Ukrainian’s own self conception as a separate nationality had/has nothing at all to do with the ideas of Otto von Bismarck. You’re clutching at straws and once again betray your own lack of knowledge of the subject matter. Like I’ve suggested to you before, read a book or two about Ukrainian history before you come back here spouting off total nonsense. You’re beginning to bore me and are becoming a complete waste of time. 🙁

  307. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Here’s a much more current map provided by Harvard trained professor Paul Robert Magocis clearly showing that Bukovina (both northern and southern) as part of the Rus prinipality of Galicia-Volyn:

  308. Seraphim says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You have noticed that I was urged to inform you about the ancestors of Romanians.
    Well, these were the Getae, a branch of the Thracians, mentioned first by Herodotus in the 5th century BC., inhabiting the region known today as Romania and extending towards east up to the Caspian and Caucasus: ‘Getae’ (and a branch called Daci) in the region of the Lower Danube and Carpathians, ‘Tyragetae’- living on the Tyras river (Dniester), ‘Tyssagetae’ – north of the Palus Maeotis (the Azov Sea), ‘Massagetae’ – north of the Caucasus (possibly extending in Central Asia, although I believe that’s an error). Their presence is mentioned by all ancient sources until late Antiquity in the same regions, you guessed… ‘Ukraine’, before any Slavs, Ruthenians, Rus.
    BTW, the name of Galitzia/Halych is derived from the name of Galati, a Celtic tribe settled in the region in the course of the eastward expansion of the Celts (who ended up in Galatia of Asia Minor). Also, ‘Ruteni’ were a Gallic tribe.

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  309. Seraphim says:
    @Old Jew

    The naivety of Mr. Hack is breathtaking.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  310. Seraphim says:
    @annamaria

    There are doubts that Bismarck ever said that or that he recommended such political course.
    On the contrary, he always warned against any fantasies of ‘destroying’ Russia, mindful of the consequences for Germany:

    “It could be argued here if such a war could possibly have the consequence that Russia, as Count Kálnoky puts it, would be “smashed”. Such a result is beyond all probability even after the most brilliant victories. Even the most favorable outcome of the war would never result in the decomposition of Russia’s main power, which rests on the millions of actual Russians of the Greek [Orthodox] Confession. These, though separated by treaties, would always reunite as quickly as the parts of a cut-up body of mercury. This indestructible empire of the Russian nation, strong by its climate, its deserts, and its frugality, as well as the advantage of having only a border to be protected, would, after its defeat, remain our native and revolted adversary, just as France today is in the West”.
    “Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia’s weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians have always come for their money. And when they come – do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play”.
    And he concluded: “The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia”.
    He wouldn’t have opposed the taking of Constantinople by the Russians.
    History confirmed his prescience.

  311. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    So you’ve changed your story from insisting that the original Ukrainians were once Egyptians to proving that they were ancient Romanians (Getae)? I myself had came to the same concluson, only basing my findings on the Trypillian peoples, that were once pretty equally spread accross a large swath of both Ukraine and Romania. 🙂

  312. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    Don’t be so sore. I don’t really believe that the Romanians were in any way the direct heirs of those drunken, sexually deviant psychopaths depicted in Couture’s painting above – a dirth of great architectural monuments of Roman deisign (and other great cultural accoutrements) are severely absent in Romania to make this sort of an association. And don’t blame me if the common East European stereotype that includes lumping together Romanians and the Roma as one and the same people has even spilled over to Western Europe too:

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  313. Seraphim says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I am neither sore nor do I blame you for the lumping of Romanians with the Gypsies, whose origin is rather West-European (German and Hungarian in the first place and it appeared in the context of the Romanian national struggles in Austro-Hungary).
    I do not ‘insist’ that Ukrainians were Egyptians. It was a little tongue in cheek (I admit) reference to some outlandish ‘theories’ that have currency among Ukrainian ‘RUNvira/MahaVira/Oryana’ a la Volodymyr Shaian and Lev Sylenko. I can’t believe you take the ‘Book of Veles’ seriously. (Romanians were not immune to the same kind of ‘theories’, known as ‘Dacomania’, using the same kind of fabricated ‘documents’).

    But, that is not to deny the solid documentary and archaeological information (which increased several folds in the last three-four decades) about the antiquity and continuity of the ‘Getae’. Indeed the ethnic background of the Thracian Getae is the population of the Eneolithic cultural complex of the painted pottery of Gumelnita/Karanovo, Cucuteni-Ariusd-Tripolie (or Tripyllie if you prefer) whose origin is undoubtedly in the Balkano-Carpathic-Pontic-Anatolian (the Starčevo–Körös/Criş-Sesklo and Vinča cultures) area where from it extended over the sylvo-steppe areas of Scythia. The genetic relations of these cultures with the following Bronze Age and Iron Age cultures is nowadays beyond doubt, notwithstanding the survival of the obsolete theories of the steppe origins of the ‘Indo-Europeans’ which linger among some scholars and mostly among amateur archeologists, linguists and geneticists (of ‘White nationalism’ bend).
    That’s not to deny either the impact of the nomadic populations (Scytho-Sarmatic-Turkic) on the internal evolution of these societies, but which was less profound than the constant formative impact of the Greek-Roman civilization on the shores of the Black Sea (Crimea was for more than two thousand years part of this Greek-Roman civilization) on the descendants of the ‘Getae’. Now, like it or not (I presume that you are on the ‘not’ side) Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church are the heirs of the Roman-‘Byzantine’ Empire

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    , @Mr. Hack
  314. Daniel.I says:
    @Seraphim

    obsolete theories of the steppe origins

    I was going to say that we have three-fold confirmation of this obsolete theory in the form of

    – genetic evidence (80% of Irish men, for example, belong to an Y-DNA haplogroup originating on the Volga)
    – linguistic evidence (you might want to learn about something called “the comparative method”)
    – archeological evidence (we do in fact have found unbroken chains of material cultures connecting present-day Indo-European speakers to the steppe)

    But then again, you’re an obscurantist idiot.

    Te faci de rusine, prostul satului.

  315. Seraphim says:

    I am very disappointed that you demonstrate that Romanians are indeed ‘țigani’. You won’t expect manners from them. Că nici plopul nu e pom…They come from this parts of the world, don’t they?

  316. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    You keep reading into me things that I’ve never said and don’t believe in. I”ve read and rejected the things that I’ve read written by both Shaian and Sylenko, and although I find the “Book of Veles” and interestingly written document, a “fabricated document” in the end result remains just that.

    That that you’ve named off many ancient tribal cultures that created and left settlements both in Ukraine and Romania is beyond doubt and only shows that modern nationalities are the culmination of many influences and accretions that preceeded their end stage or culmination. You wouldn’t deny that the Slavic element had the greatest influence on the development of the Ukrainian nation, as the Dacian had on the Romanian? What’s interesting to me is that one of the greatest influences on the developemnt of both the Ukrainian and Romanian nation had to have been the Trypillian-Cucoteni one that included an area much wider than perhaps any other that you’ve mentioned, with perhaps the exception of the Scythian-Sarmation one.

    Many theories abound about the origins and influx of the Aryans into Europe, but I don’t think that Maria Gimbutas theories have been totally annhialated, as you seem to indicate, and beliee that they’re a good strting point for researcing this topic.

  317. Old Jew says:

    Mr. Seraphim and Mr. Hack

    I recently read many articles about “The Origin of the Slavs” by Florin Curta, a Romanian Historian
    now working at a University in Florida, USA.

    Did you have a chance to read his theories?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  318. Seraphim says:

    As a matter of fact the theories of Maria Gimbutas have been seriously challenged starting in the 70s of the last century, not only the ‘Kurgan’ origins of the Indo-Europeans, but her ‘eco-feminist’ take on the ‘matriarchal’ cultures of the ‘Old Europe’ of the ‘Great Goddess’, supposedly pre-Indo-European. To much ‘water flowed down the Danube’ since (as we say, and it’s an apposite saying, the archaeological situation in the Danubian regions leaving her theories hanging dry). Far from being a ‘starting point’ for researching the topic, there are a dead end. Already in the 70s it was increasingly clear that the Cucuteni-Tripolie people were Indo-Europeans and accumulation of archaeological (with a complete revision of chronology), linguistical, paleoanthropological data only confirmed it. I will suggest to you to search this website: “THE PALEOLITHIC CONTINUITY PARADIGM FOR THE ORIGINS OF INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES”@http://www.continuitas.org/index.html
    But it’s true that the theory of the Indo-European invasion survives as a ‘scientific superstition’. Scholars are resistant to abandon theories on which they built their carriers. Not to say anything about the cultors of the mythology of the ‘Aryan super-race’ who don’t need any scientific argument.

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  319. Seraphim says:
    @Old Jew

    I certainly did and read the book.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  320. Daniel.I says:
    @Seraphim

    You don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about.

    Makes one wonder about the rest of your pompous pontification.

  321. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    Unfortunately, I don’t have the time currently to read the whole book, however, I did manage to skim some reviews of this book through the internet. Weren’t you the one giving me a hard time for suggesting that Slavs had some presence in the area just north of the Danube, along the Black Sea stretching back a long time ago?

    We are fortunate to have first-hand sources of information for the late 500s and the early 600s, such as the Strategikon, and the campaign diary used by Theophylact Simocatta’s Books vi—viii. In both cases, our knowledge, however restricted, of what was going on north of the Danube river is based, almost certainly, on eyewitness accounts. Neither Theophylact nor the author of the Strategikon knew any other area of Slavic settlements except that located north of the Danube frontier.

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