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In the past few days, the Internet has been flooded with a frankly silly rumor about the US soliciting Australia’s assistance in preparing an attack on Iran. Needless to say, that report does not explain what capabilities Australia would possess which the US would lack, but never-mind that. Still, the report was picked up in too many places (see here, here and here ) to be ignored. In one of these reports, Eric Margolis has described what such a US attack could look like. It is worth quoting him in full:

Outline of a possible AngloZionist attack on Iran

The US and Israel will surely avoid a massive, costly land campaign again Iran, a vast, mountainous nation that was willing to suffer a million battle casualties in its eight-year war with Iraq that started in 1980. This gruesome war was instigated by the US, Britain, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to overthrow Iran’s new popular Islamic government.

The Pentagon has planned a high-intensity air war against Iran that Israel and the Saudis might very well join. The plan calls for over 2,300 air strikes against Iranian strategic targets: airfields and naval bases, arms and petroleum, oil and lubricant depots, telecommunication nodes, radar, factories, military headquarters, ports, waterworks, airports, missile bases and units of the Revolutionary Guards.

Iran’s air defenses range from feeble to non-existent. Decades of US-led military and commercial embargos against Iran have left it as decrepit and enfeebled as was Iraq when the US invaded in 2003. The gun barrels of Iran’s 70’s vintage tanks are warped and can’t shoot straight, its old British and Soviet AA missiles are mostly unusable, and its ancient MiG and Chinese fighters ready for the museum, notably its antique US-built F-14 Tomcats, Chinese copies of obsolete MiG-21’s, and a handful of barely working F-4 Phantoms of Vietnam War vintage.

Air combat command is no better. Everything electronic that Iran has will be fried or blown up in the first hours of a US attack. Iran’s little navy will be sunk in the opening attacks. Its oil industry may be destroyed or partially preserved depending on US post-war plans for Iran.

The only way Tehran can riposte is by staging isolated commando attacks on US installations in the Mideast of no decisive value, and, of course, blocking the narrow Strait of Hormuz that carries two-thirds of Mideast oil exports. The US Navy, based nearby in Bahrain, has been practicing for decades to combat this threat.

There is a lot of interesting material in this description and I think that it is worth looking into it segment by segment.

First, I can only agree with Margolis that neither the US nor Israel want a ground war against Iran: the country is too big, the Iranians too well prepared and the size of the force needed for such a campaign way beyond what the Empire can currently muster.

Second, Margolis is absolutely correct when he says that Iran does not have the means to stop a determined AngloZionist (missiles and aircraft) attack. Iran does have some modern air-defense capabilities, and the attackers will sustain a number of losses, but at this point, the size disparity is so huge that the AngloZionists will achieve air superiority fairly soon and that will give them an opportunity to bomb whatever they want to bomb (more about that later).

Assessing Iranian air defenses is not just a matter of counting missiles and launchers, however, and there is much more to this. According to one Russian source Iran has 4 long range anti-aircraft missile S-300PMU-2 systems (with 48Н6Е2 Mach 6,6 interceptor missiles), 29 military anti-aircraft self-propelled missile complexes Tor-M1, some fairly advanced anti-aircraft missile complexes like the Bavar-373, a passive electronically scanned array radar (whose illumination and guidance system almost certainly includes modern Chinese electronics) and an impressive number of radar systems early warning radar of the Russian, Chinese and Iranian manufacture. This category includes systems like the high-potential long-range radar detection and target designation Najm-802 radar (has 5120 receiving and transmitting modules, operates in the decimeter S-range and is designed to detect ballistic targets and small elements of high-precision weapons), the Russian meter radar “Nebo-SVU” advanced early warning and control system with a fixed-array radar, as well as a meter range early warning radar of the type “Ghadir” . Most importantly, these radars are all integrated into the network-centric missile defense system of Iran. For example, the “Ghadir” radar is able to detect not only the tactical fighters of the USAF, the KSA and Israel, but also ballistic missiles immediately after launch (at a distance of about 1100 km). As a result, the presence of Iranian radio engineering units of multi-band radar detection facilities in the Western direction (the Persian Gulf) will allow the Iranians to prepare a flexible echeloned air defense to defend against high-intensity missile strikes. And yet, no matter how much the Iranians have improved their air defenses, the sheer number of of missiles (including the new advanced AGM-158 JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) low observable standoff air-launched cruise missile delivered by B-1B bombers) means that the Iranian defenses will inevitably be overwhelmed by any massive attack.

I therefore also agree with Margolis that the Iranian oil industry cannot be protected from a determined US/Israeli attack. In fact, the entire Iranian infrastructure is vulnerable to attack.

Margolis’ final paragraph, however, makes it sound like Iran does not have credible retaliatory options and that I very much disagree with.

Example one: Iranian capabilities in the Strait of Hormuz

For one thing, the issue of the Strait of Hormuz is much more complicated than just “the US Navy has practiced for years to combat this threat“. The reality is that Iran has a very wide range of options to make shipping through this strait practically impossible. These options range from underwater mines, to fast craft attacks, to anti-shipping missiles, to coastal artillery strikes, etc.

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Therein also lies a big danger: the Israelis and or the US could very easily organize a false flag attack on any ship in the Strait of Hormuz, then accuse Iran, there would be the usual “highly likely” buzzword from all the AngloZionst intelligence agencies and, voilà, the Empire would have a pretext to attack Iran.

In fact, the mere fact of issuing a threat to shipping through this narrow body of water might well deter insurances from providing coverage to any ships and that might stop the shipping all by itself. Should that not be enough, Iran can always lay even a limited amount of mines, and that will be enough (please keep in mind that while the USN could try to engage in mineclearing operations, to do so right off the coast of Iran would expose USN minesweepers to an extreme danger of attack).

Margolis does mention this issue when he writes:

While Iran may be able to interdict some oil exports from the Arab states and cause maritime insurance rates to skyrocket, it’s unlikely to be able to block the bulk of oil exports unless it attacks the main oil terminals in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf with ground troops. During the Iran-Iraq war, neither side was able to fully interdict the other’s oil exports.

However, I believe that grossly under-estimates the Iranian capabilities in this context. Let’s take one example, the Iranian submarine force.

The Iranian submarine force is a highly specialized one. According to the 2018 Edition of the IISS’s Military Balance, the Iranians currently have 21 submarines deployed:

  • 3 Taregh-class diesel-electric submarine (Russian Kilo-class Project-877EKM)
  • 1 Fateh-class coastal submarine
  • 16 Ghadir-class midget submarines
  • 1 Nahand-class midget submarine

When most people hear “diesel-electric,” they think of old diesel trucks, and are not impressed, especially when these are contrasted with putatively “advanced” nuclear attack submarines. This is, however, a very mistaken opinion because submarines can only to be assessed in the environment they are designed to operate in. Naval geography is typically roughly divided into three types: blue water (open ocean), green water (continental shelves) and brown water (coastal regions). Nuclear attack submarines are only superior in the blue water environment where autonomy, speed, diving depth, weapon storage capacity, advanced sonars, etc. are crucial. In comparison, while diesel-electric submarines are slower, need to resurface to recharge their batteries and are typically smaller and with fewer weapons onboard, they are also much better suited for green water operations. In shallow brown water, midget submarines reign, if only because nuclear attack submarines were never designed to operate in such an environment. Now take a quick look at the kind of environment the Strait of Hormuz constitutes:

Notice the interesting combination of very shallow and shallow depth typical of brown water and then the green water type of environment when going further into the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea. With this in mind, let’s see what kind of submarine force Iran has acquired/developed:

For brown water operations (Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz) Iran has a relatively large and capable fleet of midget submarines. For green water operations (the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea), Iran has three formidable Taregh/Kilo-class submarines (which are even capable of limited blue water operations, though with much less autonomy, speed, armament or sonar than a nuclear attack submarine). Just like “diesel-electric”, the term “midget” submarine makes it sound that we are talking about a toy or, at best, some primitive third world hack which, at best, could be used to smuggle drugs. In reality, however, the Iranian “midgets” can carry the same heavyweight torpedoes (533 mm) as the Kilos, only in smaller quantities. This also means that they can carry the same missiles and mines. In fact, I would argue that Iranian Ghadir-class “midget” submarines represent a much more formidable threat in the Persian Gulf than even the most advanced nuclear attack submarines could.

The US has stopped producing diesel-electric submarines many years ago because it believed that being a hegemonic power with a typical (aircraft carrier-centric) blue water navy it had no need for green or brown water capabilities. Other countries (such as Russia, Germany, Sweden and others) actively pursued a diesel-electric submarine program (including so-called “air-independent propulsion” – AIP – ones) because they correctly understood that these submarines are much cheaper while being also much better suited for coastal defensive operations. Ditching diesel-electric submarines was yet another major mistake by US force planners; see this article on this topic. The new Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) and the Zumwalt-class guided missile destroyer were supposed to partially palliate to this lack of green and brown capabilities, but both turned out to be a disaster

Ghadir-class submarine
Ghadir-class submarine

The Russian Kilo-class submarines are some of the most silent yet heavily armed submarines ever built, and they could potentially represent a major threat to any US naval operations against Iran. However, we can be pretty sure that the USN tracks them 24/7 and that the Kilos would become a prime target (whether in port or at sea) at the very beginning of any AngloZionist attack. But would the USN also be capable of keeping track of the much smaller (and numerous) Iranian midget submarines? Your guess is as good as mine, but I personally very much doubt that, if only because these relatively small subs are very easy to hide. Just take a look at this photo of a Ghadir-class submarine and imagine how easy it would be to hide them or, alternatively, create decoy looking just like the real thing. Yet this midget submarine could sink any vessel in the Persian Gulf with a single torpedo.

While the US definitely has a lot of very capable reconnaissance and intelligence capabilities available to try to locate and then destroy these threats, we also know that the Iranians have had decades to prepare for this scenario and that they are truly masters at what is called maskirovka in Russian military terminology: a combination of camouflage, concealment, deception, and misdirection. In fact, the Iranians are the ones who trained Hezbollah in Lebanon in this art and we all know what happened to the Israelis when they confidently waltzed into southern Lebanon only to find out that for all their reconnaissance/intelligence capabilities they were unable to deal with even a relatively primitive (technologically speaking) Hezbollah missile capability. For all the patriotic flag-waving, the truth is that if the Iranians decide to block the Strait of Hormuz the only option left for the US will be to land a force on the Iranian shore and engage in a limited but still extremely dangerous offensive land-attack operation. At this point, whether this counter-attack is successful or not will be irrelevant, as there will be so much combat activity in this narrow bottleneck that nobody will even consider to bring ships through it.

I also believe that Margolis is wrong when he writes that all Iran could do would be to stage “isolated commando attacks on US installations in the Mideast of no decisive value“. One very real Iranian option would be to strike US targets (of which there are plenty in the Middle-East) with various missiles. Furthermore, Iran can also launch missiles at US allies (Israel or the KSA) and interests (Saudi oil fields).

Example two: Iranian missile capabilities

I would not trust everything the CSIS writes (they are a very biased source, to put it mildly), but on this page, they posted a pretty good summary of the current Iranian missile capability:

On the same page, CSIS also offers a more detailed list of current and developed Iranian missiles:

(You can also check on this Wikipedia page to compare with the CSIS info on Iranian missiles)

The big question is not whether Iran has capable missiles, but how many exactly are deployed. Nobody really knows this because the Iranians are deliberately being very vague, and for obvious and very good reasons. However, judging by the example of Hezbollah, we can be pretty sure that the Iranians also have these missiles in large enough numbers to represent a very credible deterrent capability. I would even argue that such a missile force not only represents a capable deterrent capability, but also a very useful war-fighting one. Can you imagine what would happen if US bases (especially airbases and naval facilities) in the region came under periodic Iranian missile attacks? Judging by the Israeli experience during the First Gulf War or, for that matter, the recent Saudi experience with the Houthi missiles, we can be pretty sure that the US Patriots will be useless to defend against Iranian missiles.

Oh sure, just like the US did during the First Gulf War, and the Israelis did in 2006, the AngloZionists will start a massive hunt for Iranian missile sites, but judging by all the recent wars, these hunts will not be successful enough and the Iranians will be able to sustain missile strikes for quite a long time. Just imagine what one missile strike, say, every 2-3 days on a US base in the region would do to operations or morale!

Reality check: the US is vulnerable throughout the entire Middle-East

Above I only listed two specific capabilities (subs and missiles), but the same type of analysis could be made with Iranian small speedboat swarms, electronic warfare capabilities or even cyber-warfare. But the most formidable asset the Iranians have is a very sophisticated and educated population which has had decades to prepare for an attack by the “Great Satan” and which have clearly developed an array of asymmetrical options to defend themselves and their country against the (probably inevitable) AngloZionist attack.

You have probably seen at least one map showing US military installations in the Middle-East (if not, see here, here or here). Truth be told, the fact that Iran is surrounded by US forces and bases presents a major threat to Iran. But the opposite is also true. All these US military facilities are targets, often very vulnerable ones. Furthermore, Iran can also use proxies/allies in the region to attack any of these targets. I highly recommend that you download this factsheet and read it while thinking of the potential of each listed facility to become the target of an Iranian attack.

The usual answer which I often hear to these arguments is that if the Iranians actually dared to use missiles or strike at the US bases in the region, the retaliation by the US would be absolutely terrible. However, according to Eric Margolis, the initial and main goal of a US-Israeli attack on Iran would be to “totally destroy Iran’s infrastructure, communications and transport (including oil) crippling this important nation of 80 million and taking it back to the pre-revolutionary era“. Now let me ask you this simple question: if Margolis is correct – and I personally believe that he is – then how would that outcome be different from the “absolutely terrible” retaliation supposedly planned by the US in case of Iranian counterattack? Put differently – if the Iranians realize that the AngloZionists want to lay waste to their country (say, like what the Israelis did to Lebanon in 2006), what further possible escalation would further deter them from counter-attacking with the means available to them?

To answer this question we need to look again at the real nature of the “Iranian problem” for the AngloZionists.

Real AngloZionist objectives for an attack on Iran

First and foremost, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Iran has any kind of military nuclear program. The fact that the Israelis have for years been screaming about this urbi et orbi does not make it true. I would also add that common sense strongly suggests that the Iranians would have absolutely no logical reason to develop any kind of nuclear weapons. I don’t have the time and space to argue this point again (I have done so many times in the past), so I will simply refer to the US National Intelligence Estimate’s conclusion that Iran had “halted its nuclear weapons program” and leave it at that.

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I don’t believe that the Iranians ever had a nuclear weapons program either, but that is irrelevant: even if they once had one, that would put them on par with many other countries which took some initial steps in the development of such a capability and then gave it up. The only point is that it is the official US position that there is no current military nuclear program in Iran.

The real problem of Iran is very simple. Iran is the only country in the world which is:

  1. Islamic and leads the struggle against the Saudi/Daesh/ISIS/al-Qaeda/etc. ideology of takfirism and the terrorism they promote
  2. Openly anti-Zionist and anti-Imperialist and combines conservative religious values with progressive social policies
  3. Successful politically, economically and militarily and thereby threatens the monopoly of power of Israel in the region

Any one of those features by itself would already constitute a grievous case of crimethink from the point of view of the Empire and would fully deserve a reaction of absolute hatred, fear and a grim determination to eliminate the government and people which dare to support it. No wonder that by combining all three Iran is so hated by the AngloZionists.

This entire canard about some Iranian nuclear a program is just a pretext for a hate campaign and a possible attack on Iran. But in reality, the goals of the AngloZionists is not to disarm Iran, but exactly as Margolis says: to bomb this “disobedient” country and people “back to the pre-revolutionary era”.

Here is the key thing: the Iranians perfectly understand that. The obvious conclusion is this: if the purpose of an AngloZionist attack will be to bomb Iran back into the pre-revolutionary era, then why would the Iranians hold back and not offer the maximal resistance possible?

Because of the threat of a US nuclear retaliation?

US nuclear attack options – not much of an option in reality

Here again, we need to look at the context, not just assume that the use of nuclear weapons is some kind of magical panacea which immediately forces the enemy to give up the fight and to unconditionally surrender. This is far from being the truth.

First, nuclear weapons are only effective when used against a lucrative target. Just murdering civilians like what the US did in Japan does absolutely no good if your goal is to defeat your opponent’s armed forces. If anything, nuking your opponents “value” targets will might only increase his determination to fight to the end. I have no doubt that, just as during the first Gulf War, the US has already made a typical list of targets it would want to strike in Iran: a mix of key government buildings and installations and a number of military units and facilities. However, in most cases, those could also be destroyed by conventional (non-nuclear) weapons. Furthermore, since the Iranians have had decades to prepare for this scenario (the US has always had Iran in its sights since the 1979 Revolution), you can be quite sure that all the peacetime facilities have been duplicated for wartime situations. Thus while many high-visibility targets will be destroyed, their wartime counterparts will immediately take over. One might think that nukes could be used to destroy deeply buried targets, and this is partially true, but some targets are buried too deep to be destroyed (even by a nuclear blast) while others are duplicated several times (say, for 1 peacetime military headquarters there would be 4, 5 or even 6 concealed and deeply buried ones). To go after each one of them would require using even more nukes and that begs the question of the political costs of such a campaign of nuclear strikes.

In political terms, the day the US uses a nuclear weapon against any enemy it will have committed political suicide from which the Hegemony will never recover. While a majority of Americans might consider that “might makes right” and “screw the UN”, for the rest of the world the first use of nuclear weapons (as opposed to a retaliatory counter-strike) is an unthinkable abomination and crime, especially for an illegal act of aggression (there is no way the UNSC will authorize a US attack on Iran). Even if the White House declares that it “had to” use nukes to “protect the world” against the “nuclear armed Ayatollah”, the vast majority of the planet will react with total outrage (especially after the Iraqi WMD canard!). Furthermore, any US nuclear strike will instantly turn the Iranians from villains into victims. Why would the US decide to pay such an exorbitant political price just to use nuclear weapons on targets which would not yield any substantial advantage for the US? Under normal circumstances, I would think that this kind of unprovoked use of nuclear weapons would be quite unthinkable and illogical. However, in the current political context in the US, there is one possibility which really frightens me.

Trump as the “disposable President” for the Neocons?

The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of “ownership” is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded. The same goes for the US reneging on the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or, for that matter, the current stream of threats against Iran. It appears that the Neocons have a basic strategy which goes like this: “we hate Trump and everything he represents, but we also control him; let’s use him to do all the crazy stuff no sane US President would ever do, and then let’s use the fallout of these crazy decisions and blame it all on Trump; this way we get all that we want and we get to destroy Trump in the process only to replace him with one of “our guys” when the time is right“. Again, the real goal of an attack on Iran would be to bomb Iran back into a pre-revolutionary era and to punish the Iranian people for supporting the “wrong” regime thus daring to defy the AngloZionist Empire. The Neocons could use Trump as a “disposable President” who could be blamed for the ensuing chaos and political disaster while accomplishing one of the most important political objectives of Israel: laying waste to Iran. For the Neocons, this is a win-win situation: if things go well (however unlikely that is), they can take all the credit and still control Trump like a puppet, and if things don’t go well, Iran is in ruins, Trump is blamed for a stupid and crazy war, and the Clinton gang will be poised to come back to power.

The biggest loser in such a scenario would, of course, be the people of Iran. But the US military will not fare well either. For one thing, a plan to just “lay waste” to Iran has no viable exit strategy, especially not a short-term one, while the US military has no stomach for long conflicts (Afghanistan and Iraq are bad enough). Furthermore, once the US destroys most of what can be destroyed the initiative will be in the Iranians’ hands and time will be on their side. In 2006 the Israelis had to fold after 33 days only, how much time will the US need before having to declare victory and leave? If the war spreads to, say, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria, then will the US even have the option to just leave? What about the Israelis – what options will they have once missiles start hitting them (not only Iranian missiles but probably also Hezbollah missiles from Lebanon!)?

Former Mossad head Meir Dagan was fully correct when he stated that a military attack on Iran was “the stupidest thing I have ever heard”. Alas, the Neocons have never been too bright, and stupid stuff is what they mostly do. All we can hope for is that somebody in the US will find a way to stop them and avert another immoral, bloody, useless and potentially very dangerous war.

 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    The Saker,

    Israel seems to act with impunity carrying out assassination and intelligence-gathering operations inside Iran.

    How important would these covert strengths be in an actual war?

    Just asking.

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    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'The Saker,

    Israel seems to act with impunity carrying out assassination and intelligence-gathering operations inside Iran.

    How important would these covert strengths be in an actual war?

    Just asking.'

    I'm not Skaer, but my guess Is that to carry out her various acts of terror and murder, Israel exploits the still-substantial Iranian Jewish population -- that regularly goes back and forth between Israel and Iran. Certainly for them to not do so would display a degree of moral scrupulousness uncharacteristic of the ol' Light unto the Nations.

    Regardless, if Israel ratchets her aggression up to all-out war, Iran may well intern or expel her Jewish population -- thus handily furnishing the moral justification for waging the war in the first place. 'See -- they're murderous anti-semites!'

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  2. no says:

    You omit a potential land attack on Israel via Syria and Lebanon.

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  3. MarkU says:

    If there is one thing we have learned over the last few decades it is that there is nothing too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, demented or evil for the US to do.

    Just a few months ago Iran was quite willingly and certifiably honouring the terms of the nuclear deal, now they are quite possibly going to be subjected to a completely unprovoked attack, with or without some (probably fabricated) Casus belli.

    Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can’t prevent this ghastly scenario? It seems doubtful that the Europeans will do anything, they have been craven enough to go along with the US on the Russia “threat” despite them having a military budget nearly four times larger than that of the RF and a population about three times bigger (The Europeans have even for all intents and purposes sanctioned themselves at the behest of the US) Do we seriously believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly by while Iran is being bombed and its oil bearing regions invaded? Potentially nuclear armed missiles flying around near the southern border of Russia anyone?

    If anyone has seen the 1984 nuclear war drama “Threads” they will be noticing an eerie similarity.

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    "Jesus Christ, they're doing it."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHoMSRZOS4

    It's too bad youtube took down the whole movie, with the Iranian invasion and newscast sequences at the beginning. Maybe vimeo or dailymotion has it up...
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    Miss pressed disagree, I agree very much!
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    Has there ever been a more murderous and evil bunch of filth than Washington's politicians and their Jewish owners?
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    I believe Russia has billions of dollars invested in various Iranian infrastructure projects from nuclear power plants to other projects.

    Isn’t Russia an ally of Iran? China too? Would they sit idly by and allow the US to lay waste to Iran without at LEAST raising a stink at the UN Security Council BEFORE any war started?!

    If the “Anglo/Zionists” decided to try to finish the George W. Bush check list of countries to be taken over detailed by Gen. Wesley Clark to Amy Goodman in 2007 (he received the reports at The Pentagon in September after 9/11...on YouTube for anyone to peruse), then perhaps Iran will do its best as it is being taken back to the Revolutionary days to do as much damage to The State of Israel as it possibly can.

    Of course that could force Israel to go to its “Samson Nuclear Option” (Google it) and that would be the end of the world. What with the “nuclear winter” that would result. Lovely Israel has the motto: “If we go down, they ALL go down with us!”.

    Yeah, Israel now has the planet in its crosshairs with its nuclear weapons. And to think that due to it’s, and the U.S.’s SECRECY regarding THEIR nukes, that the whole world has been transfixed with Iran’s nuclear weapons program!

    I never dreamed I would live to see such a dark and dangerous time.

    NOW is the time (never mind BDS!) for the world to DEMAND that Israel become a signatory to The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and that THEY allow the UN to investigate THEIR nuclear weapons program!
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    … and Russia would agree with this course of events?

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    Trust not Putin--Russia will be looking out for its own interests, and confrontation with the US is not one of them.
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  5. There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA’s goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it’s rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW’s goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel’s borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite “people”. Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians’ Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA’s own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it’s plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of “Lebanon” and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don’t wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between “Iran” and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

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    • Replies: @Den Lille Abe
    This poster actively promotes genocide to Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians and profess to be a Jew in a comment. He declared other peoples "non human".
    He is very, very low. A real scum.
    I regret very much my ancestral SS Division Nordland Sturmbannführer removed uncle did miss a few shots.
    I as an old man, in a family parted by the war, have lived with this stigma for more than half a century: Being a relative of (probably) a mass murderer. And the other part of the Allies. It was still stigmatizing back in the 60 ties when many recognized my surname, and I had to make amends.
    Especially with my mother is jewish. She taught me to never hate.
    And then is little piece of shit comes along and promotes genocide! As a jew! I baffles me completely.
    I will try and toil the hate I feel to this poster, hate is evil, but it still will be difficult.
    I have submitted his IP to our police, they will identify him, and boy, it will be cool if he lives in Europe, he is in for hard time. If he is from the US come along my friend and see what happens.
    His IP has also gone to some other people.
    Hate speech agains a group of people is not acceptable, point those out that are guilty of crimes, but not a group of people.
    , @Max Havelaar
    You're brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.

    NATO was defeated on 14042018 in Syria:

    https://southfront.org/trumps-smart-missiles-in-syria-summing-up-evidence-and-numbers-provided-by-russia/

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.
    , @Bliss

    Understanding the AZW’s goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel’s borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians
     
    Wow. Crazy if true.

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?
    , @Fatima Manoubia
    You are clearly doing here an exercise of wishful thinking as an attempt at self-help, to save yourself the psychoanalyst, for your current state of personal terror that kept you awake for several nights now, seeing that your greatest squire, in your delirious expansive dreams, is no more the feared and respected hegemon it used to be, as a consequence of his own self-sabotage....

    A teddy bear, sucking the big toe of a hand or calling mom would have the same effect, but you already have the whole beard, right? In any case, change your diaper, it smells even from here, West-Western Europe ....

    , @El Dato
    TROLL, bad satire, false flag Juice or demented hardcore Rabbi?

    I'm for satire.

    But it's the Internet! It doesn't even matter.

    The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)
     
    That's going to be a tough sell. This will probably happen shortly before everyone is Confucean.

    Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them.
     
    Don't make it so as if you were psychologically unable to spell JEHOVA.

    Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

     

    Ok, who writes "blessed be He", seriously.
    , @martino from barcelona
    take your medication
    , @Iris
    "Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily".

    This website always addresses such grave and preoccupying topics.... It is great that some comical element is introduced, albeit inadvertently.
    , @Iris
    " Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily."

    The articles on this website are always about grave and preoccupying topics... It is refreshing that you introduce such highly comical content, albeit inadvertently.
    , @Anon
    I think Greasy William is having everybody on.

    Greasy William, bacon grease I hope.
    , @pyrrhus
    I agree, there will be no attack, and can be no attack....But the Saker has ignored another consequence of an attack on Iran's oil fields, which would be rocketing oil prices that would thrown the whole world into a deep recession/depression....The neocons are too stupid to understand this, but the WH should.
    , @Eileen Kuch
    I agree with your statement that there'll be NO attack on Iran, Greasy William, but I digress on the reason for not doing so. First of all, Iran's no Iraq, and its weapons, although defensive in nature, are more advanced than those of the US/UK/NATO/Israel, especially in accuracy.
    You see, Iran's ballistic missiles are accurate enough to strike Israel's Dimona Nuclear Facility, wherein its nuclear weapons stockpiles are stored. All it would take would be for one such missile to strike the facility and the Zionist Entity would be turned into a large glass parking lot. In addition, Iran also has ships armed with hypersonic cruise missiles with the same accuracy with regard to US ships.
    Iran, a peaceful nation that hasn't attacked its neighbors in over 400 years, also has powerful allies in China and Russia, who also have highly advanced weapons systems and highly trained and disciplined ground forces. Israel used to have highly trained and disciplined ground forces as well, but that was decades ago; now, they're incapable of defeating Hezbollah, much less, Iran. June 2006 proved that point quite well.
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  6. I don’t recall a nuke submarine ever entering the Persian Gulf. It’s much too shallow. Much of the gulf is too shallow for any kind of submarine ops.

    The Kilo class has been subject to development for many years and is a very formidable conventional sub. Subs with air independent propulsion are even more so. The Swedes loaned a, AIP sub to the US Navy and the rather formidable ASW talents of the US Navy never was able to sink it in exercises, much less find it. Nukes have just recently entered that sort of quietude, with the best nukes blending into the background noise of the ocean.

    Having said that, The Sub is the next capital ship and will make carrier ops a thing of the past as long as the subs exist as an effective fighting force.

    I seriously doubt the US will attack Iran. The day where an attack would be able to effectively end the Iranian nuke program is long past.

    No, the Iranians did not stick to what the US citizenry were told about the nuke agreement. The Iranians were working with the North Koreans on both nukes and missiles. Anyone seriously thinking that Obama’s agreement with the Iranians put an end to their nuke program isn’t playing with a full deck. It is, in fact, the reason Trump pulled the US out.

    The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of “ownership” is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded.

    Like so much of what Saker writes, this is risible. The Neocons no more “own” Trump than anyone can own a wild Tiger. Trump is not just someone they hate. He is their sworn enemy, and they know that he is a threat to all their foolishness they have been pulling for the last 50 years or more.

    Evangelical Christians were the loudest about moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Evangelicals and Neocons are not, and never have been, on good terms. If the only people wanting the embassy moved were Neocons, the Embassy would still be in Tel Aviv. The Neocons kept putting off the move and I seriously doubt they would ever have moved it.

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    You are seriously deluded about Trump.
    Suggest you look around for another hero.
    , @Josecanuc
    you say: “Like so much of what Saker writes, this is risible. The Neocons no more “own” Trump than anyone can own a wild Tiger.”

    However the truth (reality) is - "You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control EVERYTHING in America. In America you can criticize God - but you can't criticize Israel." Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache, Israeli Parliament, 2009

    In 1972 Senator William Fulbright, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, decided to summon the main Zionist leaders before a committee. This threw some light on their underground activities. He summed up the results of his enquiry in a Face the Nation interview on CBS (7 Oct. 1973): ‘The Israelis control policy in Congress and in the Senate’ - the United States is “subservient” to Israel,” he stated. He added: “Our colleagues in the Senate, about 70% of them, make up their minds more under the pressure of the Jewish lobby than from their own vision of what they consider to be the principles of liberty and justice.”

    “It’s suicide for any politician to oppose them.” Senator Fulbright, 1973
    In the next elections Fulbright lost his seat as a Senator. And since Senator Fulbright’s inquiry, the Zionist lobby has continued to strengthen its grip on American policy.”
    The Founding Myths of the Israeli Policy, Roger Garaudy, 1997

    “Whoever criticizes Israel can expect painful and incessant reprisals and even the loss of his means of existence by the pressure of the Israeli lobby in Washington. The President of the United States is afraid of it. Congress gives in to all its demands. The most prestigious universities see to it that in their programs there is nothing which opposes it. The mass media giants and the military chiefs give in to its pressure.”
    Paul Findley, former congressman, They Dared to Speak Out

    “Zionist leaders did not hide their American lobby’s role. Ben Gurion stated clearly: “When a Jew in America or in South Africa talks to his Jewish companions about ‘our’ government, he means the government of Israel.” At the 23rd Congress of the World Zionist Organization, he stipulated that the duty of a Jew abroad included “the collective obligation of every Zionist organization in various countries to help the Jewish State unconditionally and in all circumstances, even if such a stance is in conflict with the authorities of their respective nations.” There is no shortage of examples that illustrate the Israeli-Zionist lobby’s success in imposing on the United States an attitude that is unfavorable to American interests but useful for Israeli policy.” The Founding Myths of Israeli Policy, Roger Garaudy, 1997

    “I want to tell you something very clear. Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people control America and the Americans know it.” Ariel Sharon, Oct 3, 2001, broadcast Israeli radio -

    “To see what is wrong right in front of your nose and not do anything about it - that is a lack of courage.” Confucius
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    @MarkU
    If there is one thing we have learned over the last few decades it is that there is nothing too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, demented or evil for the US to do.

    Just a few months ago Iran was quite willingly and certifiably honouring the terms of the nuclear deal, now they are quite possibly going to be subjected to a completely unprovoked attack, with or without some (probably fabricated) Casus belli.

    Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can't prevent this ghastly scenario? It seems doubtful that the Europeans will do anything, they have been craven enough to go along with the US on the Russia "threat" despite them having a military budget nearly four times larger than that of the RF and a population about three times bigger (The Europeans have even for all intents and purposes sanctioned themselves at the behest of the US) Do we seriously believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly by while Iran is being bombed and its oil bearing regions invaded? Potentially nuclear armed missiles flying around near the southern border of Russia anyone?

    If anyone has seen the 1984 nuclear war drama "Threads" they will be noticing an eerie similarity.

    “Jesus Christ, they’re doing it.”

    It’s too bad youtube took down the whole movie, with the Iranian invasion and newscast sequences at the beginning. Maybe vimeo or dailymotion has it up…

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    let me say torrent.
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  8. Off the map. First Tel Aviv, then D.C.

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  9. from another thread, same subject:
    All said US lost 1737 aircraft in the Vietnam war, to hostile action and a further 500 in accidents, approximately 58 000 KIA.
    Yes , i understand Vietnam is not Iran (Iran is not a rice paddy), but the US is not the same either, now it is a “professional” defense force, whose Navy rams defenseless civilian ships (or cant perform at all) , whose Air force planes keep falling from the sky and whose Army are best moving down civilians.
    Of course Iran would loose such a war, no doubt, but can the US sustain the losses, can public opinion ? Say 15 000 bodybags ? 25 000 ? 50 000?
    I doubt the US can even put 100 000 soldiers on the ground, combat soldiers, that is, not 3′rd echelon cooks and chauffeurs, very few armies can. Iran has got at least 5 000 000 trained people with ammo and a AK 47 or RPG eager to put a dent in the US. (China has between 15 – 40 Million they can draw from). Forget it, the Iranians can simply “trample” the US to death, at least until the US runs out of body bags.
    And consider if the US starts a war, we don’t have to trade with it anymore, its under sanction, goodbye “Rare metals” (China), goodbye computer chips (China) goodbye everything, because the US cant produce anything (No factories) and has few resources left, hehe.
    Sanction the American people to a dose of “concentration camp”, 900 calories a day, candle light, and horse drawn transportion! The Morgentau plan is fulfilled ! I will bathe in Champagne, wash my cojones in Budweiser when that happens. And Israel ? What Israel ? You mean Palestine ? ahhhh :) I will feed a bagel to the ducks!
    And no, i don’t think it will be necessary to learn either Russian or Chinese, I think we might get along well enough.

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    where do you get your numbers...mickey or donald...?

    The US lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War
    , @pogohere
    China is dependent on the US for semiconductor chips. That's why the ZTE fines were an issue. (see: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/zte-reportedly-finalizing-comeback-deal-with-us-government/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/us/politics/trump-trade-zte.html

    China buys $US200+ billion in computer chips from the US and produces ~$US 20+ billion itself.

    Robots, chips and the pursuit of China’s tech dreams

    7-10-18

    Despite its high-profile ambitious, the world’s second-largest economy still has to rely on a steady supply of foreign-made semiconductors, the heartbeat of the “Internet of Things” and the industrial factories of the future.

    To illustrate the point, China’s fragility was exposed last month when ZTE was dragged into President Donald Trump’s trade war. At one point, there were fears it would go under after being banned for seven years from buying US-made components such as chips.

    “Xi himself has made semiconductor development a priority for years,” Jesse Heatley, a director at Albright Stonebridge Group and a security fellow with the Truman National Security Project, wrote for The Diplomat in April.

    “Almost exactly two years ago, he gave a controversial speech in which he similarly assailed China’s dependence on foreign suppliers and urged mastering ‘core technologies.’ At that time, China observers noted Xi’s plans to develop globally competitive chipset champions and challenge foreign tech firms’ dominance.”

    The task will be daunting. A glance at the global semiconductor industry underlines just how far behind the country is when it comes to chip manufacturing, and R&D.

    Last year, revenue from the sector in the US edged close to $250 billion compared to China’s miserly $24.7 billion, statistics from IEK, which is part of the government-sponsored Industrial Technology Research Institute in Taiwan, showed.

    With such a disparity, it is hardly surprising that Chinese companies have to import about $200 billion worth of chips from the US each year.

    http://www.atimes.com/article/robots-chips-and-the-pursuit-of-chinas-tech-dreams/
    , @jack daniels
    What worries is me is that our elite of "chicken-hawks" would not hesitate to sacrifice large numbers of white blue-collar lives to win a war. Accordingly the best deterrent to US aggression would be a credible threat to take out French restaurants, gay discos, art theaters, and Ivy League universities. The US would rather sacrifice the whole state of Texas than see the destruction of Harvard Law. Maybe the Ayatollahs need to make clear that they are aware of our priorities.
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  10. @MarkU
    If there is one thing we have learned over the last few decades it is that there is nothing too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, demented or evil for the US to do.

    Just a few months ago Iran was quite willingly and certifiably honouring the terms of the nuclear deal, now they are quite possibly going to be subjected to a completely unprovoked attack, with or without some (probably fabricated) Casus belli.

    Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can't prevent this ghastly scenario? It seems doubtful that the Europeans will do anything, they have been craven enough to go along with the US on the Russia "threat" despite them having a military budget nearly four times larger than that of the RF and a population about three times bigger (The Europeans have even for all intents and purposes sanctioned themselves at the behest of the US) Do we seriously believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly by while Iran is being bombed and its oil bearing regions invaded? Potentially nuclear armed missiles flying around near the southern border of Russia anyone?

    If anyone has seen the 1984 nuclear war drama "Threads" they will be noticing an eerie similarity.

    Miss pressed disagree, I agree very much!

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  11. @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    This poster actively promotes genocide to Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians and profess to be a Jew in a comment. He declared other peoples “non human”.
    He is very, very low. A real scum.
    I regret very much my ancestral SS Division Nordland Sturmbannführer removed uncle did miss a few shots.
    I as an old man, in a family parted by the war, have lived with this stigma for more than half a century: Being a relative of (probably) a mass murderer. And the other part of the Allies. It was still stigmatizing back in the 60 ties when many recognized my surname, and I had to make amends.
    Especially with my mother is jewish. She taught me to never hate.
    And then is little piece of shit comes along and promotes genocide! As a jew! I baffles me completely.
    I will try and toil the hate I feel to this poster, hate is evil, but it still will be difficult.
    I have submitted his IP to our police, they will identify him, and boy, it will be cool if he lives in Europe, he is in for hard time. If he is from the US come along my friend and see what happens.
    His IP has also gone to some other people.
    Hate speech agains a group of people is not acceptable, point those out that are guilty of crimes, but not a group of people.

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    Nitwit of the Day Award! You win.

    Please stop. You're killing me. That means you are making me laugh at how much of a fool you are. Not that you are actually murdering me in case you don't understand English.

    Welcome to the internet, Pops. Now turn off the computer and take a nap.

    "I baffles me completely."

    Got it.

    , @Thorfinnsson
    I don't approve of Greasy William's views, but reporting other commenters to the police is disgusting and a betrayal of the spirit of the internet.

    Maybe you'd be better served posting on Reddit.
    , @RadicalCenter
    You don’t hate him but you relish destroying his life through the power of the State. You are a dangerous, hypocritical little bitch.
    , @byrresheim
    Be grateful to the man instead of bringing him to justice: he told the truth.

    The truth shall set us free.
     
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    "Jesus Christ, they're doing it."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHoMSRZOS4

    It's too bad youtube took down the whole movie, with the Iranian invasion and newscast sequences at the beginning. Maybe vimeo or dailymotion has it up...

    let me say torrent.

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  13. There is an awful lot of wishful thinking in this. Trump’s tactic is chutzpah, doing anything he wants and saying screw you if you can’t take a joke. Europe is so weak it can barely force through a gas pipeline against Washington’s displeasure. Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there? If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off? Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.

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    Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?
     
    There is a larger structure called Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Xi since 2016 was calling on accepting Iran into it, with Iran having currently an Observer status. For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue. Russia is not going to allow any hostile power to have direct access to Caspian Sea. Again, WHAT war? Combined Arms invasion--that will be the end of the US as we know it. Bombing? Let's wait an see. In fact, it is not up to Russia, it is up to Iran do decide how to proceed--Iran has options. Will she exercise them?

    Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.
     
    Ahh, what? Is the world "crossing" the Empire now? Russia is, but then again she can erase the Empire from the map. This mental construct is so "out there" that it is even difficult to respond properly to it. I omit here, of course, a gigantic political fallout for US which will make it a de facto a pariah in case it decides to use nukes. In fact, I can predict with a good degree of probability what is going to happen. For starters--dedollarization will go into overdrive.

    If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off
     
    The only thing with which I may agree here. In fact, if one of the US Navy carriers (God forbids), somehow gets damaged, let alone sunk, one may expect an escalation to a nuclear threshold since US is inherently nuclear weapons-biased since can not take any serious conventional losses, especially in terms of a naval assets. But I agree, that with about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call--neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial "speed boats" will be much of a strategic challenge.
    , @Low Voltage
    So what are they waiting for?
    , @CalDre

    Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?
     
    I wouldn't bet on that. I'm not as sure about China but even in the late 90s, when Russia was at an abyss, it occupied the Pristina airport and has also taken large positions in Syria, with the express threat to retaliate for any attacks on its troops.

    I could definitely see Russia playing this game. And using its hypersonic missiles to take out any US ships/bases attacking any Russian forces.

    China for its part is more likely to take an economic approach - continuing to purchase Iranian oil and fund the Iranian government, and not accepting any US "embargo". If the US were to forcibly intercept Chinese merchant vessels or oil tankers, I could see a trade war with the US erupting immediately and China blocking US ships in the South China Sea. Taiwan also opens up as a possible target.

    Iranian missiles can bring not only ship traffic to a halt, but destroy LNG terminals and other oil facilities. The huge jump in energy prices would cause a global depression.

    Meanwhile the entire planet will be furious with the US. Collapse of the Dollar Hegemony would be very likely, leading to a collapse of the US economy. Of course the MSM will support the war - one of the few things Trump can count on for "Liberals" to support, nay, laud and cheer, is the unprovoked destruction of an Islamic country.

    End of the day, a war with Iran would likely lead to WW III. Whether that war becomes nuclear cannot be ruled out. Hence the only ones crazy enough to risk it are the neo-cons, who want to exterminate most of the world population anyway, to then be ruled over by them.

    In fact that may be the entire plan. This will be the true "war to end all wars", as the Illuminati have finally achieved the technological edge to assure world dominion. But of course they are actually NOT all-knowing, and their predictions could be (likely are) utterly wrong.

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  14. This is a very good article. Analysis you just can’t get from the Deep State Media (DSM).

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  15. @Frederick V. Reed
    There is an awful lot of wishful thinking in this. Trump's tactic is chutzpah, doing anything he wants and saying screw you if you can't take a joke. Europe is so weak it can barely force through a gas pipeline against Washington's displeasure. Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there? If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off? Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.

    Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?

    There is a larger structure called Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Xi since 2016 was calling on accepting Iran into it, with Iran having currently an Observer status. For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue. Russia is not going to allow any hostile power to have direct access to Caspian Sea. Again, WHAT war? Combined Arms invasion–that will be the end of the US as we know it. Bombing? Let’s wait an see. In fact, it is not up to Russia, it is up to Iran do decide how to proceed–Iran has options. Will she exercise them?

    Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.

    Ahh, what? Is the world “crossing” the Empire now? Russia is, but then again she can erase the Empire from the map. This mental construct is so “out there” that it is even difficult to respond properly to it. I omit here, of course, a gigantic political fallout for US which will make it a de facto a pariah in case it decides to use nukes. In fact, I can predict with a good degree of probability what is going to happen. For starters–dedollarization will go into overdrive.

    If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off

    The only thing with which I may agree here. In fact, if one of the US Navy carriers (God forbids), somehow gets damaged, let alone sunk, one may expect an escalation to a nuclear threshold since US is inherently nuclear weapons-biased since can not take any serious conventional losses, especially in terms of a naval assets. But I agree, that with about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call–neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial “speed boats” will be much of a strategic challenge.

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    '...about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call–neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial “speed boats” will be much of a strategic challenge...'
     
    The US ASW aviation consists of large, slow turboprop aircraft which need to fly low to the water to do anything...namely the Lockheed P3 Orion...a sitting duck for even guys in patrol boats with manpads...

    Iran's very formidable air defense system which I discussed briefly above would make a very big no go radius for this type of aircraft, covering far beyond the straits...which means they could never get close enough to contest Iranian subs...

    This whole Iran war thing is a crock...a bluff...the US may sail some big ships in the straits just for show...but they will not enter Iranian waters...
    , @Tim too
    "For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue."

    This means some kind of electronic area access denial? Is that it? Russians/Iranians could jam air space for many miles off periphery of Iran, if nec.
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  16. All we can hope for is that somebody in the US will find a way to stop them and avert another immoral, bloody, useless and potentially very dangerous war.

    We all know how to stop them. But nobody wants to say it out loud. Certainly not me.

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    I have. Many times. See comment #8
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  17. FB says:

    How on earth does this author take the dribblings of complete know-nothing Eric Margolis seriously…?

    Just reading the excerpts here tells you this clown Margolis is a complete fool…what technical credentials does he have to even begin to understand aerial warfare and suppression of enemy air defenses [SEAD]…?

    Exactly none…which is why the diarrhea he is blowing out his bunghole is completely meaningless…the fact that Saker actually takes this crapola seriously undermines his own credibility badly…

    Here is a history lesson on SEAD…the first Gulf War in 1991 saw a highly successful US SEAD campaign, in which they destroyed Iraqi air defenses in short order…this was due to several important factors…

    1. The entire Iraqi air defense system KARI [Iraq spelled backwards] was designed by the French and the CIA got the complete details of the system well before launching the SEAD operation, Operation Instant Thunder…this is well documented in US sources…

    2. The US employed 2,250 combat aircraft…a huge number which does not exist today…

    3. The Iraqi air defenses, although huge in numbers, were fixed not mobile…and used the obsolete central command and control structure, as opposed to dispersed and networked…

    4. The Iraqi air defense crews were badly trained and lacked discipline…this is in fact the most important factor, since human competence is much more important than hardware…

    As a result of these major factors [plus many other details which I will not get into now] the US was able to quickly take out the Iraqi air defenses…and establish air superiority…which means you can fly and bomb wherever you want…and is why SEAD is ALWAYS the first step in a modern war…

    However…just 8 years later in attacking Serbia in 1999, the US plus 18 other Nato countries, were unable to take out the puny Serbian air defense system, with over 1,000 combat aircraft and 78 days of SEAD operations…it was a major failure that has been well studied in specialist circles…

    Unlike in Iraq, allied aircraft where never able to fly and bomb freely, due to the persistent threat of deadly air defenses and were forced to fly only in certain routes, and at higher altitudes, and high value aircraft like AWACS and surveillance were kept outside the engagement range of Serbian SAMS…in boxing terms, the Serbs were able to cut off the ring and keep the opponent boxed in…

    The reason was mainly Serb tactics of mobility and emissions control [their actual hardware was ancient]…which means keeping your radars turned off until you are ready to take a shot…also some of the deception and camouflage tactics mentioned in this article and described as ‘maskirovka’…

    In what is perhaps the definitive study of the ‘Kosovo’ SEAD operation, published in the USAF Academy’s flagship professional publication, Aerospace Power Journal, Dr. Benjamin Lambeth notes that had the Serbs had just two S300s, they could have effectively denied the airspace entirely…

    The Iranian air defense system is formidable, not weak…and we can be sure their AD crews are highly trained and competent…[Iran is an intellectual powerhouse...the country graduates 230,000 engineers a year, as many as the four times bigger US]

    That is why we will NEVER see a US attempt to use air power against Iran…the Pentagon relies on the very best air power theorists and practitioners to design a SEAD plan [in Iraq it was the legendary Col John Boyd] …not clowns like Margolis…

    And as for cruise missile strikes from standoff range, I have discussed this at length on this website…cruise missiles don’t work against mobile air defenses and are NOT a SEAD weapon…they cannot home in on air defense radars…

    In other words, yes you could launch 1,000 cruise missiles [the US has about 3,500 total] and bomb the heck out of a lot of targets but you will never ever hit even a single MOBILE S300, nor any other mobile system like the Tor…which the Iranians also have and which is a mobile point defense SAM designed specifically to shoot down cruise missiles…

    Even a massive cruise missile strike would achieve ZERO degradation of Iranian air defenses…and many of those cruise missiles would be intercepted by Tors guarding high value targets…

    Anyone who knows anything about SEAD and air defense knows that the US has NOT come up with an answer to the ‘double digit’ Russian SAMs [ie S300/400]…and these present A2/AD zones [anti-access, area denial]…for which the US has no answer…

    Any attempt at an air war against Iran would result in failure…which is why it will never happen…

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    , @Uncle Sam
    The Saker is almost as bad as Margolis. He completely underestimates the Iranian military. I don't know what he was smoking or drinking when he said that Iran's air defenses range from "feeble to nonexistent". Total nonsense.

    Furthermore, he makes no mention of Iran's vast array of antiship cruise missiles which include both subsonic and supersonic varieties. The only way the Fifth Fleet would avoid destruction by these missiles would be to stay out of their range and thus be ineffective in a military assault on Iran. Nor does he mention the Hoot torpedo which travels 225 mph under water thru a supercavitating process. It is an Iranian version of the Russian Shkval.

    FB points out very convincingly that an American air war campaign against a competent military opponent could very easily turn out badly---and has. As FB mentions, Serbia in 1999 was a very good example of that to say nothing of North Vietnam. In both cases American air power was ineffective in suppressing air defenses. Syria is another example. The Syrians shot down 71 or 73 of the 105 flying bombs launched against it by the Americans, French and British. In fact, their air forces never flew over Syrian air space. That is how scared they were to fly over Syria. And the same thing applies to the Israelis. They launch their flying bombs from Israeli or Lebanese air space.

    Besides if the American and/or Israelis thought they could defeat Iran in a purely air/naval military campaign they would have done so long ago. The fact that they have not speaks volumes.

    The Saker is either very badly misinformed or he is an incompetent military analyst. He is not to be taken seriously.
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  18. FB says:
    @Den Lille Abe
    from another thread, same subject:
    All said US lost 1737 aircraft in the Vietnam war, to hostile action and a further 500 in accidents, approximately 58 000 KIA.
    Yes , i understand Vietnam is not Iran (Iran is not a rice paddy), but the US is not the same either, now it is a "professional" defense force, whose Navy rams defenseless civilian ships (or cant perform at all) , whose Air force planes keep falling from the sky and whose Army are best moving down civilians.
    Of course Iran would loose such a war, no doubt, but can the US sustain the losses, can public opinion ? Say 15 000 bodybags ? 25 000 ? 50 000?
    I doubt the US can even put 100 000 soldiers on the ground, combat soldiers, that is, not 3'rd echelon cooks and chauffeurs, very few armies can. Iran has got at least 5 000 000 trained people with ammo and a AK 47 or RPG eager to put a dent in the US. (China has between 15 - 40 Million they can draw from). Forget it, the Iranians can simply "trample" the US to death, at least until the US runs out of body bags.
    And consider if the US starts a war, we don't have to trade with it anymore, its under sanction, goodbye "Rare metals" (China), goodbye computer chips (China) goodbye everything, because the US cant produce anything (No factories) and has few resources left, hehe.
    Sanction the American people to a dose of "concentration camp", 900 calories a day, candle light, and horse drawn transportion! The Morgentau plan is fulfilled ! I will bathe in Champagne, wash my cojones in Budweiser when that happens. And Israel ? What Israel ? You mean Palestine ? ahhhh :) I will feed a bagel to the ducks!
    And no, i don't think it will be necessary to learn either Russian or Chinese, I think we might get along well enough.

    where do you get your numbers…mickey or donald…?

    The US lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

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    Just casually looked it up , so you figure might be right. I know they lost a heluava many. I remember.
    , @Den Lille Abe
    But I did say "due to hostile action" which prolly means in the air.
    The more the better.
    , @fact checking
    Can't you read ? that 10,000 includes just about 5000 helicopters.
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  19. @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    You’re brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.

    NATO was defeated on 14042018 in Syria:

    https://southfront.org/trumps-smart-missiles-in-syria-summing-up-evidence-and-numbers-provided-by-russia/

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.

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    You’re brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.
     
    No, it's just that you are delusional.

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.
     
    When Israel launches it's final extermination of the Iranian people, Russia and China will merely sit and watch.

    No force in the universe can save the Iranians from utter annihilation. And thus it is written.
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  20. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?
     
    There is a larger structure called Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Xi since 2016 was calling on accepting Iran into it, with Iran having currently an Observer status. For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue. Russia is not going to allow any hostile power to have direct access to Caspian Sea. Again, WHAT war? Combined Arms invasion--that will be the end of the US as we know it. Bombing? Let's wait an see. In fact, it is not up to Russia, it is up to Iran do decide how to proceed--Iran has options. Will she exercise them?

    Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.
     
    Ahh, what? Is the world "crossing" the Empire now? Russia is, but then again she can erase the Empire from the map. This mental construct is so "out there" that it is even difficult to respond properly to it. I omit here, of course, a gigantic political fallout for US which will make it a de facto a pariah in case it decides to use nukes. In fact, I can predict with a good degree of probability what is going to happen. For starters--dedollarization will go into overdrive.

    If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off
     
    The only thing with which I may agree here. In fact, if one of the US Navy carriers (God forbids), somehow gets damaged, let alone sunk, one may expect an escalation to a nuclear threshold since US is inherently nuclear weapons-biased since can not take any serious conventional losses, especially in terms of a naval assets. But I agree, that with about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call--neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial "speed boats" will be much of a strategic challenge.

    ‘…about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call–neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial “speed boats” will be much of a strategic challenge…’

    The US ASW aviation consists of large, slow turboprop aircraft which need to fly low to the water to do anything…namely the Lockheed P3 Orion…a sitting duck for even guys in patrol boats with manpads…

    Iran’s very formidable air defense system which I discussed briefly above would make a very big no go radius for this type of aircraft, covering far beyond the straits…which means they could never get close enough to contest Iranian subs…

    This whole Iran war thing is a crock…a bluff…the US may sail some big ships in the straits just for show…but they will not enter Iranian waters…

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    The US ASW aviation consists of large, slow turboprop aircraft which need to fly low to the water to do anything…namely the Lockheed P3 Orion…a sitting duck for even guys in patrol boats with manpads…
     
    Somehow you missed P-8 Poseidons which are made on the B-737 base. Hardly turboprops. This is not to mention all necessary cover by fighter/attack aircraft. Lower altitudes are primarily for MAD which is corroborative detection system. Even being "slow" provides a very serious Operational Sweep (Search Productivity) for such an aircraft. For surfaced SSK one doesn't need sonar, one needs FLIR. Once datum is obtained, probabilities of a kill grow tremendously and all SSKs need to surface periodically. Any carrier also has SH-60 capable both of ASW and SuWA. For two operational SSKs of Iranian Navy--the odds, even if to consider a significant reduction of ASW capabilities of modern US Navy CBGs, are still overwhelmingly against them. I omit here the issue of training.
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  21. @FB

    '...about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call–neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial “speed boats” will be much of a strategic challenge...'
     
    The US ASW aviation consists of large, slow turboprop aircraft which need to fly low to the water to do anything...namely the Lockheed P3 Orion...a sitting duck for even guys in patrol boats with manpads...

    Iran's very formidable air defense system which I discussed briefly above would make a very big no go radius for this type of aircraft, covering far beyond the straits...which means they could never get close enough to contest Iranian subs...

    This whole Iran war thing is a crock...a bluff...the US may sail some big ships in the straits just for show...but they will not enter Iranian waters...

    The US ASW aviation consists of large, slow turboprop aircraft which need to fly low to the water to do anything…namely the Lockheed P3 Orion…a sitting duck for even guys in patrol boats with manpads…

    Somehow you missed P-8 Poseidons which are made on the B-737 base. Hardly turboprops. This is not to mention all necessary cover by fighter/attack aircraft. Lower altitudes are primarily for MAD which is corroborative detection system. Even being “slow” provides a very serious Operational Sweep (Search Productivity) for such an aircraft. For surfaced SSK one doesn’t need sonar, one needs FLIR. Once datum is obtained, probabilities of a kill grow tremendously and all SSKs need to surface periodically. Any carrier also has SH-60 capable both of ASW and SuWA. For two operational SSKs of Iranian Navy–the odds, even if to consider a significant reduction of ASW capabilities of modern US Navy CBGs, are still overwhelmingly against them. I omit here the issue of training.

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    The P8s don't have magnetic anomaly detectors [MAD...necessary for underwater detection], which is why I didn't mention them...their role is high altitude and their acoustic sensors, which are claimed to be twice as powerful as the ones on the P3 have been problematic...

    '...the Pentagon's Director of Operational Test and Evaluation office called the P-8A "ineffective" for large area ISR and anti-submarine warfare missions...'
     
    That from 2014...it's not yet clear if these capability issues have been resolved...[incidentally the P8s ordered by India were fitted with MADs...which tells us the Indians did not have much faith in the new and fancy sensors flagged by the DOT&E]

    In any case a B737 platform would need to stay well outside the range of Iranian S300s...just like they had to in Serbia [which didn't even have S300s, but used their S125s very capably]...that included E3 Sentry awacs, RC135 Rivet Joints recon, EC130 Compass Cell electronic attack, and U2...

    Yes the helicopters mentioned can do ASW, but here again how are you going to protect them in an A2/AD environment...?

    The only way these platforms can be deployed is if the Iranian IADS is neutralized...in other words a successful SEAD operation has to come first...you can't put the cart before the horse...

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat...

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  22. Tim too says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?
     
    There is a larger structure called Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Xi since 2016 was calling on accepting Iran into it, with Iran having currently an Observer status. For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue. Russia is not going to allow any hostile power to have direct access to Caspian Sea. Again, WHAT war? Combined Arms invasion--that will be the end of the US as we know it. Bombing? Let's wait an see. In fact, it is not up to Russia, it is up to Iran do decide how to proceed--Iran has options. Will she exercise them?

    Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.
     
    Ahh, what? Is the world "crossing" the Empire now? Russia is, but then again she can erase the Empire from the map. This mental construct is so "out there" that it is even difficult to respond properly to it. I omit here, of course, a gigantic political fallout for US which will make it a de facto a pariah in case it decides to use nukes. In fact, I can predict with a good degree of probability what is going to happen. For starters--dedollarization will go into overdrive.

    If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off
     
    The only thing with which I may agree here. In fact, if one of the US Navy carriers (God forbids), somehow gets damaged, let alone sunk, one may expect an escalation to a nuclear threshold since US is inherently nuclear weapons-biased since can not take any serious conventional losses, especially in terms of a naval assets. But I agree, that with about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call--neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial "speed boats" will be much of a strategic challenge.

    “For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue.”

    This means some kind of electronic area access denial? Is that it? Russians/Iranians could jam air space for many miles off periphery of Iran, if nec.

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    This means some kind of electronic area access denial? Is that it? Russians/Iranians could jam air space for many miles off periphery of Iran, if nec.
     
    This too. All that, however, revolves around how practical Iran's leadership is and what it is ready to trade for a reliable security. Iran DOES have own agenda in ME and it is not always parallel to that of Russia. But there is also no doubt whatsoever that Iran does have a strategic depth and is well-connected to Russia both through Caspian Sea and friendly Azerbaijan, which Russia wants to see stable. A lot is at stake here, including Russia's very own and major geopolitical interests in Caucasus.
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  23. @FB
    where do you get your numbers...mickey or donald...?

    The US lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

    Just casually looked it up , so you figure might be right. I know they lost a heluava many. I remember.

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    where do you get your numbers...mickey or donald...?

    The US lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

    But I did say “due to hostile action” which prolly means in the air.
    The more the better.

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  25. @Tim too
    "For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue."

    This means some kind of electronic area access denial? Is that it? Russians/Iranians could jam air space for many miles off periphery of Iran, if nec.

    This means some kind of electronic area access denial? Is that it? Russians/Iranians could jam air space for many miles off periphery of Iran, if nec.

    This too. All that, however, revolves around how practical Iran’s leadership is and what it is ready to trade for a reliable security. Iran DOES have own agenda in ME and it is not always parallel to that of Russia. But there is also no doubt whatsoever that Iran does have a strategic depth and is well-connected to Russia both through Caspian Sea and friendly Azerbaijan, which Russia wants to see stable. A lot is at stake here, including Russia’s very own and major geopolitical interests in Caucasus.

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    { But there is also no doubt whatsoever that Iran does have a strategic depth and is well-connected to Russia both through Caspian Sea and friendly Azerbaijan, which Russia wants to see stable.}

    Azerbaijan is nominally 'friendly' with Russia, and the Caspian sea is militarily a Russian lake, so yeah, Iran is well connected to Russia via the Caspian. But I am not sure where is the "well connection" via Azerbaijan?

    Azerbaijan is anywhere from unfriendly to hostile to IRI, so I doubt very much it will allow any military or any other kind of help from Russia to Iran.

    - Azerbaijan has designs on Iran's Northern provinces of Azarbaijan (South of the Arax river) and Iranian leadership is quite aware of that fact.
    - Azerbaijan is buddy-buddies with Israel. Azerbaijan allows Israeli spying (drones and other technical means) from its territory against Iran. Iran is aware of that too.
    - Iran says that all the terrorist attacks and sabotage operations organized against it and the assassinations of its civilian scientists were run by Israelis based in Azerbaijan.

    And Aliyev is stupid enough or greedy enough to allow US/Israeli attacks on Iran from its territory in case of war, so nobody knows what will happen in that case.

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  26. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The US ASW aviation consists of large, slow turboprop aircraft which need to fly low to the water to do anything…namely the Lockheed P3 Orion…a sitting duck for even guys in patrol boats with manpads…
     
    Somehow you missed P-8 Poseidons which are made on the B-737 base. Hardly turboprops. This is not to mention all necessary cover by fighter/attack aircraft. Lower altitudes are primarily for MAD which is corroborative detection system. Even being "slow" provides a very serious Operational Sweep (Search Productivity) for such an aircraft. For surfaced SSK one doesn't need sonar, one needs FLIR. Once datum is obtained, probabilities of a kill grow tremendously and all SSKs need to surface periodically. Any carrier also has SH-60 capable both of ASW and SuWA. For two operational SSKs of Iranian Navy--the odds, even if to consider a significant reduction of ASW capabilities of modern US Navy CBGs, are still overwhelmingly against them. I omit here the issue of training.

    The P8s don’t have magnetic anomaly detectors [MAD...necessary for underwater detection], which is why I didn’t mention them…their role is high altitude and their acoustic sensors, which are claimed to be twice as powerful as the ones on the P3 have been problematic…

    ‘…the Pentagon’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation office called the P-8A “ineffective” for large area ISR and anti-submarine warfare missions…’

    That from 2014…it’s not yet clear if these capability issues have been resolved…[incidentally the P8s ordered by India were fitted with MADs...which tells us the Indians did not have much faith in the new and fancy sensors flagged by the DOT&E]

    In any case a B737 platform would need to stay well outside the range of Iranian S300s…just like they had to in Serbia [which didn't even have S300s, but used their S125s very capably]…that included E3 Sentry awacs, RC135 Rivet Joints recon, EC130 Compass Cell electronic attack, and U2…

    Yes the helicopters mentioned can do ASW, but here again how are you going to protect them in an A2/AD environment…?

    The only way these platforms can be deployed is if the Iranian IADS is neutralized…in other words a successful SEAD operation has to come first…you can’t put the cart before the horse…

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat…

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    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat…
     
    Clearing the waters with high density of probability for SSKs by fighter aircraft will not be problematic. This is in regards to "patrol boats with manpads". Per Iranian S-300 PMU2, the are only 4 batteries of those and they are deployed mostly around strategically important facilities such as Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which is very deep into the Persian Gulf, that is 350 miles away from Bandar Abbas which is critical for Hormuz choke-point. There are, reportedly, some Buks and other systems (obviously Tors and some S1s). How good indigenous Iranian systems are? I don't know, I assume they can do some damage. What is transpiring right now between Russia and Iran--that what really matters and will matter in case of hostilities breaking out. By far the most importnat issue in all of that is: if Iran has P-800 Oniks. If that is the case--then picture changes dramatically and not in favor of the US. With that, the probability of destroying one or several very high value assets of US Navy in the area grows dramatically, as grows the probability of the whole thing going completely out of control. Per problems with P-8 Poseidon does have MAD, it also has a superb detection and signal processing suite--all despite some issues with air-frame, I heard.

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1300&ct=1

    Poseidons also carry missiles for SuWA. They are nothing to sneer at despite their problems. If Iran wants to ensure that all this does not go completely haywire, she has an option and she knows which one is that. But Iran is not an "easy" ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted--Russians are extremely well aware of this "small" fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace.
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  27. @Den Lille Abe
    This poster actively promotes genocide to Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians and profess to be a Jew in a comment. He declared other peoples "non human".
    He is very, very low. A real scum.
    I regret very much my ancestral SS Division Nordland Sturmbannführer removed uncle did miss a few shots.
    I as an old man, in a family parted by the war, have lived with this stigma for more than half a century: Being a relative of (probably) a mass murderer. And the other part of the Allies. It was still stigmatizing back in the 60 ties when many recognized my surname, and I had to make amends.
    Especially with my mother is jewish. She taught me to never hate.
    And then is little piece of shit comes along and promotes genocide! As a jew! I baffles me completely.
    I will try and toil the hate I feel to this poster, hate is evil, but it still will be difficult.
    I have submitted his IP to our police, they will identify him, and boy, it will be cool if he lives in Europe, he is in for hard time. If he is from the US come along my friend and see what happens.
    His IP has also gone to some other people.
    Hate speech agains a group of people is not acceptable, point those out that are guilty of crimes, but not a group of people.

    Nitwit of the Day Award! You win.

    Please stop. You’re killing me. That means you are making me laugh at how much of a fool you are. Not that you are actually murdering me in case you don’t understand English.

    Welcome to the internet, Pops. Now turn off the computer and take a nap.

    “I baffles me completely.”

    Got it.

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  28. Question says:

    A brief question to Saker:

    You first say: “… Just murdering civilians like what the USA did in Japan does absolutely no good if your goal is to defeat your opponent’s armed forces. …” – and then in the same breath you say “… If anything, nuking your opponents “value” targets will might only increase his determination to fight to the end. …”.

    Isn’t this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily, what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions?

    Really Saker. How do you square the circle?

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    There's no circle. The Saker believes the only thing the US did in World War II was murder civilians.

    That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism. Japan surrendered because Stalin finally entered the war against Japan like the day after Hiroshima and invaded Manchuria. The US had nothing to do with it.

    It is nonsense. But that is the standard narrative here.
    , @Pablo
    "Isn’t this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily, what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions?..." Another victim of the American education system and Hollywood history lessons
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Japan surrendered to the Americans because the Soviets were preparing to invade the home islands. The atomic bombings were simply acts of terror that at best facilitated the matter.
    , @WRFB
    No that is not correct, japan was already on the brink of surrendering , Hiroshima and nagasaki were messages to the SU and basically irrelevant and were basically no worse than the previous allied fire bombings of civilians and destruction of japanese cities, with houses built of wood.....
    , @willow
    the Hiroshima hoax. According to The Untold History of the United States , the award winning documentary, Japan would have surrendered in August 1945 without the use of atomic bombs. The were preparing to surrender to Russia. Then Truman dropped the bombs.
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  29. @FB
    The P8s don't have magnetic anomaly detectors [MAD...necessary for underwater detection], which is why I didn't mention them...their role is high altitude and their acoustic sensors, which are claimed to be twice as powerful as the ones on the P3 have been problematic...

    '...the Pentagon's Director of Operational Test and Evaluation office called the P-8A "ineffective" for large area ISR and anti-submarine warfare missions...'
     
    That from 2014...it's not yet clear if these capability issues have been resolved...[incidentally the P8s ordered by India were fitted with MADs...which tells us the Indians did not have much faith in the new and fancy sensors flagged by the DOT&E]

    In any case a B737 platform would need to stay well outside the range of Iranian S300s...just like they had to in Serbia [which didn't even have S300s, but used their S125s very capably]...that included E3 Sentry awacs, RC135 Rivet Joints recon, EC130 Compass Cell electronic attack, and U2...

    Yes the helicopters mentioned can do ASW, but here again how are you going to protect them in an A2/AD environment...?

    The only way these platforms can be deployed is if the Iranian IADS is neutralized...in other words a successful SEAD operation has to come first...you can't put the cart before the horse...

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat...

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat…

    Clearing the waters with high density of probability for SSKs by fighter aircraft will not be problematic. This is in regards to “patrol boats with manpads”. Per Iranian S-300 PMU2, the are only 4 batteries of those and they are deployed mostly around strategically important facilities such as Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which is very deep into the Persian Gulf, that is 350 miles away from Bandar Abbas which is critical for Hormuz choke-point. There are, reportedly, some Buks and other systems (obviously Tors and some S1s). How good indigenous Iranian systems are? I don’t know, I assume they can do some damage. What is transpiring right now between Russia and Iran–that what really matters and will matter in case of hostilities breaking out. By far the most importnat issue in all of that is: if Iran has P-800 Oniks. If that is the case–then picture changes dramatically and not in favor of the US. With that, the probability of destroying one or several very high value assets of US Navy in the area grows dramatically, as grows the probability of the whole thing going completely out of control. Per problems with P-8 Poseidon does have MAD, it also has a superb detection and signal processing suite–all despite some issues with air-frame, I heard.

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1300&ct=1

    Poseidons also carry missiles for SuWA. They are nothing to sneer at despite their problems. If Iran wants to ensure that all this does not go completely haywire, she has an option and she knows which one is that. But Iran is not an “easy” ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted–Russians are extremely well aware of this “small” fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace.

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    '...But Iran is not an “easy” ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted–Russians are extremely well aware of this “small” fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace...'
     
    No argument there...I've been saying the same thing for a long time...the Iranian aviation press started badmouthing Russian civil aircraft the minute sanctions were lifted [thanks mostly to Russia]...and then placing $20 billion orders with Boeing and Airbus...

    Not to mention the trouble they are causing in Syria...even Assad is holding his nose...

    I'm no fan of Iran, or religious extremism of any kind...but merely was debunking the horseshit about Iranian air defense spouted by clown Margolis...

    As for the P8, I'm not badmouthing it...it's an impressive piece of work...but I also know the MIC 'way'...which is to deliver crap that doesn't work and takes years to actually get working, if ever...and regardless of MAD or no MAD the main weapon against subs is still dropping sonobuys to find the sub in the first place...the P8 just isn't the right tool for the strait of Hormuz...even if working properly...

    And I still maintain that even with the four S300 batteries in Iran [each has four TELs, the mobile launchers, so that's 16 total]...Iran can close its airspace and that over the strait...mounting a serious SEAD effort is not going to be a Sunday walk in the park...they also have a lot of S200s, which they have reportedly modernized and mounted on trucks [and we recall how Syria brought down that F16 with its S200 a few months ago]...the S200 missile itself is still a monster even compared to S400...it's actually faster at 2500 m/s...that's near mach 10 at high altitude...compare that to US SAM technology...the SM6 has a whopping M3.5 top speed and uses the AIM120 air to air missile seeker...

    [There is also a ground-launched version of the AIM120 the SLAAMRAM...Houthis in Yemen are doing the same thing, turning old Soviet R27 AA missiles into SAMs...actually hit a Saudi F15 with one...of course one would expect the US MIC to be somewhat more sophisticated]

    I would not be surprised if the Bavar 373 is a decent SAM...at least the missile kinematic performance, since the Iranians have shown they can build pretty good missiles [the Syria strike a while back comes to mind, impressively precise from such a long range]...piggybacking those off the big Russian radars and they might have an impressive air defense capability overall...[I doubt their own radar tech is up to big league standards just yet]...

    But overall I agree...there's no way that Putin is going to 'save' Iran if the US attacks...but then I doubt the US is going to attack...I think it's pretty far fetched...Trump just offered 'no preconditions' talks to Iran so I think the whole thing is political theater...US sanctions will seriously hurt Iran and Trump needs to look like a winner for domestic politics...he can do this by simply redoing an Iran deal that is basically the same thing with window dressing...
    , @KA
    Sanction on Iran on the false accusations of pursuing nuclear activities was mounted by USA UK France but Russia could have vetoed. China cold have vetoed. The truth was available to IAEA (,El Baradi 's term ) . They didn't. The 2011 agreements by Brazil and Turkey was reneged by Hillars US after proposing that very deal. That itself should have prompted Russia and Rusdia's fellow treveller on this area China not to trust anything coming from USA . It should have stood firm. They didn't . Russia and China received the bribes offered as India did when it referred the case to UN in 2006 .

    These are the realities Iran took note . To Iran, USA was the top dog. So they went knocking at the door of the dog house . You must cut some slack for Iran.

    Iran is guilty . It has section and groups who want to kneel before USA for personal gains. No different from Russia, India, Pakistan and even Syria and Libya. The world suffers from this Anerican centric view of the economy and the growth .
    , @Kiza
    I enjoyed your military discussion guys and would not disagree with what you wrote. But for me, there two key points:
    1) war is a totally unpredictable affair; this whole discussion is playing armchair generals; Iran is not Iraq, and
    2) the Saker did touch on the US morale but one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would.

    Yes, I agree that most of Attack Iran talk is a psyops bull, designed to financially exhaust Iran. US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed, Eric Margollis at al but none of these clowns would be willing to risk their lifestyles let alone their lives more than by moronic chest beating that they engage in. Attack Iran is simply Zionist incited US trash-pile rumbling. One long smelly fart, for lack of a better methapor. Cause it would be the end of US as it is now, still a relatively comfortable living country. Event the Hebrew Slaves know their own limitations.
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  30. @Question
    A brief question to Saker:

    You first say: "... Just murdering civilians like what the USA did in Japan does absolutely no good if your goal is to defeat your opponent’s armed forces. ..." - and then in the same breath you say "... If anything, nuking your opponents “value” targets will might only increase his determination to fight to the end. ...".

    Isn't this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily, what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions?

    Really Saker. How do you square the circle?

    There’s no circle. The Saker believes the only thing the US did in World War II was murder civilians.

    That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism. Japan surrendered because Stalin finally entered the war against Japan like the day after Hiroshima and invaded Manchuria. The US had nothing to do with it.

    It is nonsense. But that is the standard narrative here.

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    Thank you for the clarification. Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of History at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior Historian at London Imperial War Museum, concur:

    "...
    "The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through Moscow's mediation," Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.

    Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings — 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in Nagasaki the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion if it retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for war, according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman ...

    "The Soviet attack changed all that," Charman said. "The leadership in Tokyo realized they had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs."
    ..."

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/14/historians-soviet-offensive-key-japans-wwii-surrender-eclipsed-bombs.html
    , @Avery
    {That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism}

    Yes, it was USSR that saved Europe from German Nazism.
    Fascist Italy was no threat to any country other than Ethiopia.
    US had very little to do with defeating the Wehrmacht, notwithstanding the sacrifice and heroism of those GIs who were KIA or WIA fighting Nazis.

    US, in particular USN, was the primary force that defeated Imperial Japan.

    , @annamaria
    Why are you so eager to show your ignorance and hatred, repeatedly?
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
    "... in 1965, historian Gar Alperovitz argued that, although the bombs did force an immediate end to the war, Japan’s leaders had wanted to surrender anyway and likely would have done so before the American invasion planned for Nov. 1. ...
    The bombing of Nagasaki occurred in the late morning of Aug. 9, after the Supreme Council had already begun meeting to discuss surrender..."
    The bombing of Japan with nuclear weapon (WMD) was a crime against humanity. Similar to bombing of Drezden.
    , @Paw
    No question , Iran has prepared for the war for some time. They have money and motivation....
    There seems to be a great advantages to defend its own nation. And loosing plenty the American lives, somewhere in the Iran deserts, could be expected.
    I have doubts about the NATO and the US military actions displayed so far in the Afganistan , very poor fighting in Iraq , and poorer above all , the Pentagon leadership.
    Trump is here an unpredictable , every day different "value" and this I am sure will not help.
    So far he has been a dog with no teeth. Too much barking, and loud, means the dog is afraid..After all , there are people behind these all machines. And we see in the USA so much chaos , bureaucratic attacks /wars/,each others and hatred and my be some want the USA, not to be successful...The security and the intelligence organizations activities
    has been recently very disastrous.
    The USA is a giant ,very tired, with no aim, besides threatening everybody and nobody seems to have a proper respect and is duly afraid.
    Besides , in the past so far , every war was different, before and after. Much different.
    If they must have a war to keep in existence , every their war , could be the last.
    Because every war is a revolution too.
    And very successful in ending many empires overnight...
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  31. tulips says:

    1) The oil and gas infrastructure of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. are all fixed targets, relatively easy to destroy by missiles. Iran would likely destroy all regional oil and gas infrastructure, if their’s is damaged.

    2) Also, Iran has a nuclear reactor right on the shores of the Persian Gulf? If that is blown up, or even fails because staff or electricity are not available, then the Persian Gulf, and maybe Turkey and Israel, would be hit by heavy radioactive fallout, like at Chernobyl or Fukushima.

    3) Finally, Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America’s most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined.

    Napoleon was certain to defeat Russia. Hitler was certain to defeat Russia. The US was certain to defeat North Korea and certain to defeat Vietnam. But the outcomes of wars are not certain. Which it is why rational people do not like war.

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    '...Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America’s most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined...'
     
    That's an interesting point...Here is part of what Major General Qassim Soleimani said after that all-caps tweet threat by Trump...

    '...We are near you where you can’t even imagine...'
     
    I found that puzzling...but your mention of cyberwar and civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to...

    Incidentally he also said this...

    'You threaten us with an action that is ‘unprecedented’ in the world. This is cabaret-style rhetoric. Only a cabaret owner talks to the world this way.

    What was it that you could do over the past 20 years but you didn’t? You came to Afghanistan with score of tanks and personnel carriers and hundreds of advanced helicopters and committed crimes there. What the hell could you do between 2001 and 2018 with 110,000 troops? You are today begging Taliban for Talks.

    Afghanistan was a poor country, what the hell could you do in this country that you are currently threatening us?

    You arrogantly attacked Iraq with 160,000 troops and multiple times (military equipment) compared to what you used in Afghanistan. But what happened? Ask your then commander who was the person that he sent to me and asked ‘Is it possible for you to give us time and use your influence so that our soldiers will not be attacked by the Iraqi fighters in these few months until we exit the country?’

    Have you forgotten that you provide adult diapers for your soldiers in the tanks? Despite that you are currently threatening the great country of Iran? With what background to you threaten us?'
     
    Ouch...this guy is a tough cookie...not sure how eager US generals are to dance with this guy...

    https://s20.postimg.cc/fkja8li7h/HAS68452342.jpg
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  32. pogohere says: • Website
    @Den Lille Abe
    from another thread, same subject:
    All said US lost 1737 aircraft in the Vietnam war, to hostile action and a further 500 in accidents, approximately 58 000 KIA.
    Yes , i understand Vietnam is not Iran (Iran is not a rice paddy), but the US is not the same either, now it is a "professional" defense force, whose Navy rams defenseless civilian ships (or cant perform at all) , whose Air force planes keep falling from the sky and whose Army are best moving down civilians.
    Of course Iran would loose such a war, no doubt, but can the US sustain the losses, can public opinion ? Say 15 000 bodybags ? 25 000 ? 50 000?
    I doubt the US can even put 100 000 soldiers on the ground, combat soldiers, that is, not 3'rd echelon cooks and chauffeurs, very few armies can. Iran has got at least 5 000 000 trained people with ammo and a AK 47 or RPG eager to put a dent in the US. (China has between 15 - 40 Million they can draw from). Forget it, the Iranians can simply "trample" the US to death, at least until the US runs out of body bags.
    And consider if the US starts a war, we don't have to trade with it anymore, its under sanction, goodbye "Rare metals" (China), goodbye computer chips (China) goodbye everything, because the US cant produce anything (No factories) and has few resources left, hehe.
    Sanction the American people to a dose of "concentration camp", 900 calories a day, candle light, and horse drawn transportion! The Morgentau plan is fulfilled ! I will bathe in Champagne, wash my cojones in Budweiser when that happens. And Israel ? What Israel ? You mean Palestine ? ahhhh :) I will feed a bagel to the ducks!
    And no, i don't think it will be necessary to learn either Russian or Chinese, I think we might get along well enough.

    China is dependent on the US for semiconductor chips. That’s why the ZTE fines were an issue. (see: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/zte-reportedly-finalizing-comeback-deal-with-us-government/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/us/politics/trump-trade-zte.html

    China buys $US200+ billion in computer chips from the US and produces ~$US 20+ billion itself.

    Robots, chips and the pursuit of China’s tech dreams

    7-10-18

    Despite its high-profile ambitious, the world’s second-largest economy still has to rely on a steady supply of foreign-made semiconductors, the heartbeat of the “Internet of Things” and the industrial factories of the future.

    To illustrate the point, China’s fragility was exposed last month when ZTE was dragged into President Donald Trump’s trade war. At one point, there were fears it would go under after being banned for seven years from buying US-made components such as chips.

    “Xi himself has made semiconductor development a priority for years,” Jesse Heatley, a director at Albright Stonebridge Group and a security fellow with the Truman National Security Project, wrote for The Diplomat in April.

    “Almost exactly two years ago, he gave a controversial speech in which he similarly assailed China’s dependence on foreign suppliers and urged mastering ‘core technologies.’ At that time, China observers noted Xi’s plans to develop globally competitive chipset champions and challenge foreign tech firms’ dominance.”

    The task will be daunting. A glance at the global semiconductor industry underlines just how far behind the country is when it comes to chip manufacturing, and R&D.

    Last year, revenue from the sector in the US edged close to $250 billion compared to China’s miserly $24.7 billion, statistics from IEK, which is part of the government-sponsored Industrial Technology Research Institute in Taiwan, showed.

    With such a disparity, it is hardly surprising that Chinese companies have to import about $200 billion worth of chips from the US each year.

    http://www.atimes.com/article/robots-chips-and-the-pursuit-of-chinas-tech-dreams/

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    Why wouldn't China just buy Semiconductors from Korea then?

    Doesn't seem like such a big deal.
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  33. FB says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat…
     
    Clearing the waters with high density of probability for SSKs by fighter aircraft will not be problematic. This is in regards to "patrol boats with manpads". Per Iranian S-300 PMU2, the are only 4 batteries of those and they are deployed mostly around strategically important facilities such as Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which is very deep into the Persian Gulf, that is 350 miles away from Bandar Abbas which is critical for Hormuz choke-point. There are, reportedly, some Buks and other systems (obviously Tors and some S1s). How good indigenous Iranian systems are? I don't know, I assume they can do some damage. What is transpiring right now between Russia and Iran--that what really matters and will matter in case of hostilities breaking out. By far the most importnat issue in all of that is: if Iran has P-800 Oniks. If that is the case--then picture changes dramatically and not in favor of the US. With that, the probability of destroying one or several very high value assets of US Navy in the area grows dramatically, as grows the probability of the whole thing going completely out of control. Per problems with P-8 Poseidon does have MAD, it also has a superb detection and signal processing suite--all despite some issues with air-frame, I heard.

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1300&ct=1

    Poseidons also carry missiles for SuWA. They are nothing to sneer at despite their problems. If Iran wants to ensure that all this does not go completely haywire, she has an option and she knows which one is that. But Iran is not an "easy" ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted--Russians are extremely well aware of this "small" fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace.

    ‘…But Iran is not an “easy” ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted–Russians are extremely well aware of this “small” fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace…’

    No argument there…I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time…the Iranian aviation press started badmouthing Russian civil aircraft the minute sanctions were lifted [thanks mostly to Russia]…and then placing $20 billion orders with Boeing and Airbus…

    Not to mention the trouble they are causing in Syria…even Assad is holding his nose…

    I’m no fan of Iran, or religious extremism of any kind…but merely was debunking the horseshit about Iranian air defense spouted by clown Margolis…

    As for the P8, I’m not badmouthing it…it’s an impressive piece of work…but I also know the MIC ‘way’…which is to deliver crap that doesn’t work and takes years to actually get working, if ever…and regardless of MAD or no MAD the main weapon against subs is still dropping sonobuys to find the sub in the first place…the P8 just isn’t the right tool for the strait of Hormuz…even if working properly…

    And I still maintain that even with the four S300 batteries in Iran [each has four TELs, the mobile launchers, so that's 16 total]…Iran can close its airspace and that over the strait…mounting a serious SEAD effort is not going to be a Sunday walk in the park…they also have a lot of S200s, which they have reportedly modernized and mounted on trucks [and we recall how Syria brought down that F16 with its S200 a few months ago]…the S200 missile itself is still a monster even compared to S400…it’s actually faster at 2500 m/s…that’s near mach 10 at high altitude…compare that to US SAM technology…the SM6 has a whopping M3.5 top speed and uses the AIM120 air to air missile seeker…

    [There is also a ground-launched version of the AIM120 the SLAAMRAM...Houthis in Yemen are doing the same thing, turning old Soviet R27 AA missiles into SAMs...actually hit a Saudi F15 with one...of course one would expect the US MIC to be somewhat more sophisticated]

    I would not be surprised if the Bavar 373 is a decent SAM…at least the missile kinematic performance, since the Iranians have shown they can build pretty good missiles [the Syria strike a while back comes to mind, impressively precise from such a long range]…piggybacking those off the big Russian radars and they might have an impressive air defense capability overall…[I doubt their own radar tech is up to big league standards just yet]…

    But overall I agree…there’s no way that Putin is going to ‘save’ Iran if the US attacks…but then I doubt the US is going to attack…I think it’s pretty far fetched…Trump just offered ‘no preconditions’ talks to Iran so I think the whole thing is political theater…US sanctions will seriously hurt Iran and Trump needs to look like a winner for domestic politics…he can do this by simply redoing an Iran deal that is basically the same thing with window dressing…

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    I agree that the Saker overestimates US capabilities in a peer-to-peer conflict as he did with the Syrian war.

    I don't expect that the US and is "allies" will attack Iran as they cannot muster the force to make an effort. Most US air assets are Qatar and Turkey and neither will allow the US planes to takeoff. An aircraft carrier and a few forces in the UAE, including some F-22s, and Diego Garcia long range bombers will not cut it.

    As for Saudi Arabia, many of their pilots are actually Pakistani and may hesitate to go against the wishes of their new PM. Saudi Arabia proposed a land invasion of Qatar to take its oil and cash reserves which would also serve to allow the US to launch their planes against Iran. This plan was blocked by the Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, who was subsequently fired by Trump.
    https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/rex-tillerson-qatar-saudi-uae/

    If Saudi Arabia were to now try an invasion of Qatar they would have to fight their way through the Qatar-Turkey Combined Joint Force Command containing about a thousand Turkish troops. Somehow I do not see Saudi Arabia taking on the Turkish airforce:
    https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2018/06/13/turkish-military-in-qatar-bonds-of-mutual-trust

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses. Alternatively, if Israel attempts to fly through Iraq there is no guarantee that the Iraq air force would not take them out on the return flight.

    A little background on the Iranian defenses not mentioned by the Saker:
    (1) The Bavar-373 is based on the Russian export S-300 with some upgrades and are tied into the S-300 command and control network.
    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/09/03/533862/Iran-Farzad-Esmaili

    (2) Iran has the Sunbeam anti-ship missile and more importantly may have acquired the Yakhonts’ cruise missile (SSN-X-26) as Syria had:
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article153013.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/world/middleeast/russia-provides-syria-with-advanced-missiles.html

    From an economic perspective China, India, and Turkey will not stand still while their oil supplies are cut. Likewise Russia has just invested 50 billion in Iranian projects and would not like to lose them.

    See my oil geopolitics comment at the Margolis post.
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  34. Question says:
    @Johnny Rico
    There's no circle. The Saker believes the only thing the US did in World War II was murder civilians.

    That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism. Japan surrendered because Stalin finally entered the war against Japan like the day after Hiroshima and invaded Manchuria. The US had nothing to do with it.

    It is nonsense. But that is the standard narrative here.

    Thank you for the clarification. Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of History at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior Historian at London Imperial War Museum, concur:

    “…
    “The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through Moscow’s mediation,” Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.

    Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings — 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in Nagasaki the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion if it retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for war, according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman …

    “The Soviet attack changed all that,” Charman said. “The leadership in Tokyo realized they had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs.”
    …”

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/14/historians-soviet-offensive-key-japans-wwii-surrender-eclipsed-bombs.html

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    For those (like me) who grew up with the "standard" story, I strongly recommend Hasegawa's thoroughly-documented book Racing the Enemy -- Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan


    http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674022416&content=reviews
    , @Johnny Rico
    The issue is complex. Hasegawa wrote an excellent book on the subject. I would read it if you are looking for answers and insight.

    I would also recommend reading David Glantz' 'August Storm.' It is available free on the internet or, at least, from some electronic library systems. It provides an excellent analysis of the Russian invasion of Manchuria. The breathless comments about Stalin causing the Japanese surrender are made by people who don't understand this military history.

    The simple judgement provided in that soundbite that one thing was more important than the other is misleading.

    Stalin talked a lot of shit. The atomic bomb completely surprised him. There was no mention the next day in Moscow of the event. You would think there would have been for a number of reasons.

    The narrative maintained by the neo-Stalinists here is intellectually dishonest and convenient.

    There was no possibility of the Russians invading the Japanese Homeland islands as they had no navy or amphibious landing craft for the task.

    The decision to surrender was a complicated affair with various camps within the Japanese power structure having different interests, having access to different information, exerting different amounts of influence on the Emperor, and changing stances.

    The knowledge that Stalin was no longer abiding by the non-agression pact between Japan and Russia and was now engaged in an opportunistic land grab after NOT fighting the Japanese at all for the previous four years was much more important than any military achievements in Manchuria.

    No, in the Pacific, the United States did ALL the lifting and Russia did NOTHING.

    , @Anon
    That’s the opinion of 2 men. The opinions and positions on who started WW2,how and why it ended and every thu g that happened in those 6 years are numerous and endlessly debated.
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  35. Pablo says:
    @Question
    A brief question to Saker:

    You first say: "... Just murdering civilians like what the USA did in Japan does absolutely no good if your goal is to defeat your opponent’s armed forces. ..." - and then in the same breath you say "... If anything, nuking your opponents “value” targets will might only increase his determination to fight to the end. ...".

    Isn't this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily, what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions?

    Really Saker. How do you square the circle?

    “Isn’t this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily, what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions?…” Another victim of the American education system and Hollywood history lessons

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  36. FB says:
    @tulips
    1) The oil and gas infrastructure of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. are all fixed targets, relatively easy to destroy by missiles. Iran would likely destroy all regional oil and gas infrastructure, if their's is damaged.

    2) Also, Iran has a nuclear reactor right on the shores of the Persian Gulf? If that is blown up, or even fails because staff or electricity are not available, then the Persian Gulf, and maybe Turkey and Israel, would be hit by heavy radioactive fallout, like at Chernobyl or Fukushima.

    3) Finally, Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America's most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined.

    Napoleon was certain to defeat Russia. Hitler was certain to defeat Russia. The US was certain to defeat North Korea and certain to defeat Vietnam. But the outcomes of wars are not certain. Which it is why rational people do not like war.

    ‘…Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America’s most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined…’

    That’s an interesting point…Here is part of what Major General Qassim Soleimani said after that all-caps tweet threat by Trump…

    ‘…We are near you where you can’t even imagine…’

    I found that puzzling…but your mention of cyberwar and civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to…

    Incidentally he also said this…

    ‘You threaten us with an action that is ‘unprecedented’ in the world. This is cabaret-style rhetoric. Only a cabaret owner talks to the world this way.

    What was it that you could do over the past 20 years but you didn’t? You came to Afghanistan with score of tanks and personnel carriers and hundreds of advanced helicopters and committed crimes there. What the hell could you do between 2001 and 2018 with 110,000 troops? You are today begging Taliban for Talks.

    Afghanistan was a poor country, what the hell could you do in this country that you are currently threatening us?

    You arrogantly attacked Iraq with 160,000 troops and multiple times (military equipment) compared to what you used in Afghanistan. But what happened? Ask your then commander who was the person that he sent to me and asked ‘Is it possible for you to give us time and use your influence so that our soldiers will not be attacked by the Iraqi fighters in these few months until we exit the country?’

    Have you forgotten that you provide adult diapers for your soldiers in the tanks? Despite that you are currently threatening the great country of Iran? With what background to you threaten us?’

    Ouch…this guy is a tough cookie…not sure how eager US generals are to dance with this guy…

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    ... civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to…
     
    You've heard me (and others, probably) say it before FB. 35 - 50 guys with RPGs, or even high power rifles, can reduce the US to chaos in one evening by taking down the critical choke points in the 3 regional grids that make up the national grid.
    35 if their hits are informed by, and coordinated to the grid's loads and capacities for maximum effect. 50 if the operation is less well planned, and they simply take down all the big ones. Either way, not difficult to organize.

    Within days, civil order would break down across the US, and I'd guess that the national political order would break down within months if not weeks. With that, the US is no more and its foreign military assets would devolve to whatever host country they were located in. Afghanistan, Japan, Qatar and a few others would wake up one day and find themselves owners of a staggering pile of military impedimenta, but they and many others would wake to a world where the Guarantor of the countless treaties, agreements, and organizations that defined their place in the world's pecking order had ceased to exist. The ensuing international scramble to redefine the commercial, financial, political, and security structures that currently keep order will be something to behold. Of course, that scramble would be unknown, and in any case academic to anyone stuck in CONUS.

    If Soleimani is as tough a cookie as he'd like to be seen, he's talking about something like this is. Cyberwarfare serves as a distraction from operations designed to knock out the enemy's capacity to return to the battlefield. Take out the physical grid, and America ain't coming back for a long time.
    , @renfro
    The US can't defeat Iran without putting boots on the ground after a bombing campaign .
    And when and if that happens Iran will become like Afghanistan....a country where other countries go to die.

    We are now 15 years into Afghanistan and adding more troops. We are now 5.6 Trillion in the hole for our wars on Iraq, Afghan and Syria.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/03/10/amid-little-scrutiny-us-military-ramps-up-in-afghanistan/

    ''When Trump announced in August that he was ordering a new approach to the war, he said he realized “the American people are weary of war without victory.” He said his instinct was to pull out, but that after consulting with aides, he decided to seek “an honorable and enduring outcome.” He said that meant committing more resources to the war, giving commanders in the field more authority and staying in Afghanistan for as long as it takes.''

    Our craven politicians need to be jerked from their offices and lynched in the public square....and if it was televised it would get the highest show ratings of any show in history.
    , @Moi
    If the nut-jobs who run the US were to read Iranian history, they'd forget about attacking Iran, which has been around for about 5K years.
    , @Rabbitnexus
    This man is the most formidable General on the planet at this time and the enemies of Iran fear him indeed. He's been targeted for numerous assassination attempts and his death has been regularly reported but he remains a rock star among military men.
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  37. KA says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat…
     
    Clearing the waters with high density of probability for SSKs by fighter aircraft will not be problematic. This is in regards to "patrol boats with manpads". Per Iranian S-300 PMU2, the are only 4 batteries of those and they are deployed mostly around strategically important facilities such as Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which is very deep into the Persian Gulf, that is 350 miles away from Bandar Abbas which is critical for Hormuz choke-point. There are, reportedly, some Buks and other systems (obviously Tors and some S1s). How good indigenous Iranian systems are? I don't know, I assume they can do some damage. What is transpiring right now between Russia and Iran--that what really matters and will matter in case of hostilities breaking out. By far the most importnat issue in all of that is: if Iran has P-800 Oniks. If that is the case--then picture changes dramatically and not in favor of the US. With that, the probability of destroying one or several very high value assets of US Navy in the area grows dramatically, as grows the probability of the whole thing going completely out of control. Per problems with P-8 Poseidon does have MAD, it also has a superb detection and signal processing suite--all despite some issues with air-frame, I heard.

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1300&ct=1

    Poseidons also carry missiles for SuWA. They are nothing to sneer at despite their problems. If Iran wants to ensure that all this does not go completely haywire, she has an option and she knows which one is that. But Iran is not an "easy" ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted--Russians are extremely well aware of this "small" fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace.

    Sanction on Iran on the false accusations of pursuing nuclear activities was mounted by USA UK France but Russia could have vetoed. China cold have vetoed. The truth was available to IAEA (,El Baradi ‘s term ) . They didn’t. The 2011 agreements by Brazil and Turkey was reneged by Hillars US after proposing that very deal. That itself should have prompted Russia and Rusdia’s fellow treveller on this area China not to trust anything coming from USA . It should have stood firm. They didn’t . Russia and China received the bribes offered as India did when it referred the case to UN in 2006 .

    These are the realities Iran took note . To Iran, USA was the top dog. So they went knocking at the door of the dog house . You must cut some slack for Iran.

    Iran is guilty . It has section and groups who want to kneel before USA for personal gains. No different from Russia, India, Pakistan and even Syria and Libya. The world suffers from this Anerican centric view of the economy and the growth .

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  38. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @pogohere
    China is dependent on the US for semiconductor chips. That's why the ZTE fines were an issue. (see: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/zte-reportedly-finalizing-comeback-deal-with-us-government/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/us/politics/trump-trade-zte.html

    China buys $US200+ billion in computer chips from the US and produces ~$US 20+ billion itself.

    Robots, chips and the pursuit of China’s tech dreams

    7-10-18

    Despite its high-profile ambitious, the world’s second-largest economy still has to rely on a steady supply of foreign-made semiconductors, the heartbeat of the “Internet of Things” and the industrial factories of the future.

    To illustrate the point, China’s fragility was exposed last month when ZTE was dragged into President Donald Trump’s trade war. At one point, there were fears it would go under after being banned for seven years from buying US-made components such as chips.

    “Xi himself has made semiconductor development a priority for years,” Jesse Heatley, a director at Albright Stonebridge Group and a security fellow with the Truman National Security Project, wrote for The Diplomat in April.

    “Almost exactly two years ago, he gave a controversial speech in which he similarly assailed China’s dependence on foreign suppliers and urged mastering ‘core technologies.’ At that time, China observers noted Xi’s plans to develop globally competitive chipset champions and challenge foreign tech firms’ dominance.”

    The task will be daunting. A glance at the global semiconductor industry underlines just how far behind the country is when it comes to chip manufacturing, and R&D.

    Last year, revenue from the sector in the US edged close to $250 billion compared to China’s miserly $24.7 billion, statistics from IEK, which is part of the government-sponsored Industrial Technology Research Institute in Taiwan, showed.

    With such a disparity, it is hardly surprising that Chinese companies have to import about $200 billion worth of chips from the US each year.

    http://www.atimes.com/article/robots-chips-and-the-pursuit-of-chinas-tech-dreams/

    Why wouldn’t China just buy Semiconductors from Korea then?

    Doesn’t seem like such a big deal.

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  39. @Den Lille Abe
    This poster actively promotes genocide to Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians and profess to be a Jew in a comment. He declared other peoples "non human".
    He is very, very low. A real scum.
    I regret very much my ancestral SS Division Nordland Sturmbannführer removed uncle did miss a few shots.
    I as an old man, in a family parted by the war, have lived with this stigma for more than half a century: Being a relative of (probably) a mass murderer. And the other part of the Allies. It was still stigmatizing back in the 60 ties when many recognized my surname, and I had to make amends.
    Especially with my mother is jewish. She taught me to never hate.
    And then is little piece of shit comes along and promotes genocide! As a jew! I baffles me completely.
    I will try and toil the hate I feel to this poster, hate is evil, but it still will be difficult.
    I have submitted his IP to our police, they will identify him, and boy, it will be cool if he lives in Europe, he is in for hard time. If he is from the US come along my friend and see what happens.
    His IP has also gone to some other people.
    Hate speech agains a group of people is not acceptable, point those out that are guilty of crimes, but not a group of people.

    I don’t approve of Greasy William’s views, but reporting other commenters to the police is disgusting and a betrayal of the spirit of the internet.

    Maybe you’d be better served posting on Reddit.

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    More to the point, I don't know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy's IP.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.
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  40. @FB
    How on earth does this author take the dribblings of complete know-nothing Eric Margolis seriously...?

    Just reading the excerpts here tells you this clown Margolis is a complete fool...what technical credentials does he have to even begin to understand aerial warfare and suppression of enemy air defenses [SEAD]...?

    Exactly none...which is why the diarrhea he is blowing out his bunghole is completely meaningless...the fact that Saker actually takes this crapola seriously undermines his own credibility badly...

    Here is a history lesson on SEAD...the first Gulf War in 1991 saw a highly successful US SEAD campaign, in which they destroyed Iraqi air defenses in short order...this was due to several important factors...

    1. The entire Iraqi air defense system KARI [Iraq spelled backwards] was designed by the French and the CIA got the complete details of the system well before launching the SEAD operation, Operation Instant Thunder...this is well documented in US sources...

    2. The US employed 2,250 combat aircraft...a huge number which does not exist today...

    3. The Iraqi air defenses, although huge in numbers, were fixed not mobile...and used the obsolete central command and control structure, as opposed to dispersed and networked...

    4. The Iraqi air defense crews were badly trained and lacked discipline...this is in fact the most important factor, since human competence is much more important than hardware...

    As a result of these major factors [plus many other details which I will not get into now] the US was able to quickly take out the Iraqi air defenses...and establish air superiority...which means you can fly and bomb wherever you want...and is why SEAD is ALWAYS the first step in a modern war...

    However...just 8 years later in attacking Serbia in 1999, the US plus 18 other Nato countries, were unable to take out the puny Serbian air defense system, with over 1,000 combat aircraft and 78 days of SEAD operations...it was a major failure that has been well studied in specialist circles...

    Unlike in Iraq, allied aircraft where never able to fly and bomb freely, due to the persistent threat of deadly air defenses and were forced to fly only in certain routes, and at higher altitudes, and high value aircraft like AWACS and surveillance were kept outside the engagement range of Serbian SAMS...in boxing terms, the Serbs were able to cut off the ring and keep the opponent boxed in...

    The reason was mainly Serb tactics of mobility and emissions control [their actual hardware was ancient]...which means keeping your radars turned off until you are ready to take a shot...also some of the deception and camouflage tactics mentioned in this article and described as 'maskirovka'...

    In what is perhaps the definitive study of the 'Kosovo' SEAD operation, published in the USAF Academy's flagship professional publication, Aerospace Power Journal, Dr. Benjamin Lambeth notes that had the Serbs had just two S300s, they could have effectively denied the airspace entirely...

    The Iranian air defense system is formidable, not weak...and we can be sure their AD crews are highly trained and competent...[Iran is an intellectual powerhouse...the country graduates 230,000 engineers a year, as many as the four times bigger US]

    That is why we will NEVER see a US attempt to use air power against Iran...the Pentagon relies on the very best air power theorists and practitioners to design a SEAD plan [in Iraq it was the legendary Col John Boyd] ...not clowns like Margolis...

    And as for cruise missile strikes from standoff range, I have discussed this at length on this website...cruise missiles don't work against mobile air defenses and are NOT a SEAD weapon...they cannot home in on air defense radars...

    In other words, yes you could launch 1,000 cruise missiles [the US has about 3,500 total] and bomb the heck out of a lot of targets but you will never ever hit even a single MOBILE S300, nor any other mobile system like the Tor...which the Iranians also have and which is a mobile point defense SAM designed specifically to shoot down cruise missiles...

    Even a massive cruise missile strike would achieve ZERO degradation of Iranian air defenses...and many of those cruise missiles would be intercepted by Tors guarding high value targets...

    Anyone who knows anything about SEAD and air defense knows that the US has NOT come up with an answer to the 'double digit' Russian SAMs [ie S300/400]...and these present A2/AD zones [anti-access, area denial]...for which the US has no answer...

    Any attempt at an air war against Iran would result in failure...which is why it will never happen...

    … …

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  41. Bliss says:

    the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act

    How so? It’s done and no one cares.

    At the very least it could be a safer location for the US Embassy than Tel Aviv if there is a war against Iran. For religious reasons.

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  42. Bliss says:
    @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    Understanding the AZW’s goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel’s borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians

    Wow. Crazy if true.

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?

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    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?
     
    Because it is happening now. Since the Zionist movement began, in the late 19th century, the territory controlled by the Jews has ever expanded. Currently the only thing saving the Arabs/Muslims is that the secular Jews still mostly control Israeli politics and have a death grip on the IDF senior command. But everyday Israel becomes more theocratic and, in many ways, the secular are being squeezed even more than the Arabs/Iranians.

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite "people" who have not already been destroyed by that time.


    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?
     
    No. Of course not.
    , @Miggle

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?
     
    Look more carefully at real history and not the fanciful racist story of the Arabs being the descendants of a single man, Ishmael, though it is just as true as the fanciful story that all humans including you and me are the descendants of a single man, Noah. A look at the real history and you will know that Arab does not mean Arabian.

    Caliph Omar riding his camel into Christian Jerusalem when it surrendered didn't want the locals to convert to Islam. That would have devastated his tax revenue. He expressed himself respectful of the local religious traditions, Christian and Jewish. He certainly didn't want Arabian settlers rushing in.

    Similarly when Christian Damascus became Umayyad Damascus. These were very gentle takeovers, once the battles had been won. And in neither case were they battles with the locals, but with the Byzantine emperor's forces.

    But the locals, the Arameans in Damascus and the Hebrews in Palestine, themselves chose to convert, a few initially, more and more in every generation. That always happened everywhere, throughout history. If the ruling elite were of a particular religion and culture the ambitious of every generation wanted to join that religion and culture.

    Shlomo Sand in "The Invention of the Land of Israel" writes of Saadia Gaon, a or the leading rabbi of the tenth century, who lamented on record the rate at which the Jews of Palestine were converting to Islam. More than a thousand years ago. Voluntarily. Because they wanted to. To join the elite.

    And that means in this context, wanting to become part of the elite culture meant calling themselves Arabs. That is on record for the Damascenes at least, and it would have been the same for the Hebrews. They were all closely-related peoples, all originally speakers of closely-related Semitic languages, so it was very natural.

    I have taken most of that including the Damascenes choosing to be called Arabs from "Damascus: A History" by Ross Burns.

    One distinguished historian, Steven Runciman, in his book "The First Crusade" (which goes into the background to the First Crusade), writes:

    Within a century of the conquest Syria and Palestine were predominantly Moslem countries. The growth of Islam was not due to a sudden influx of Arabs from the desert. The pure Arabs formed little more than a military caste. The racial composition of the provinces was barely changed. The inhabitants, whether they adopted Islam or remained Christian, soon adopted the Arabic tongue for all general purposes; and we now loosely call their descendants Arabs.
     
    That "remained Christian" does not relate to an earlier expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine in AD 70 or after. There was no such "second Exile", as Shlomo Sand has demonstrated in "The Invention of the Jewish People". In Christian Palestine many were Christian because of an earlier era when a different religious elite had taken over and the ambitious of every generation wanted to join the elite.

    The Caliph Omar rode his camel into Christian Jerusalem in February 638. Runciman writes of the Persian invasion a couple of decades earlier:

    The invaders occupied Antioch in 611 and Damascus in 613. Only at Jerusalem, a centre of Orthodoxy, did they meet with opposition; but, with the help of Jews within the walls, the holy city was stormed in April 614. There followed a terrible massacre of Christians; and the holiest relics of Christendom ... were carried off ...
     
    Supposedly there was an expulsion of Jews from Jerusalem, not Palestine, only Jerusalem, in AD 70 or thereabouts, but by 614 they were back in Jerusalem, "within the walls". It is their descendants, the descendants of the Judeans and Israelites of Palestine, the still unconverted remainder of them three centuries later, whose ongoing conversions were lamented by Saadia Gaon. It is the Judeans and Israelites of Palestine that we today call Palestinian Arabs.

    So, to whom was the Promised Land supposedly promised? To today's Palestinian Arabs.
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  43. Four key points:

    1. Iraq is run by a pro-Iran Shite government that tolerates the US occupation due to the money provided. Before the USA attacks Iran, it should remove all its 10,000 troops and 10,000 civilians and close its massive embassy there and write that country off. Otherwise, we’ll have thousands of American POWs. Meanwhile, the Kurds will get crushed as the Turks and Iraqis use the chaos to destroy them.

    2. The oil-rich British puppet state of Kuwait is hated by all Iraqis and Iranians. If the USA attacks Iran, one should expect Iranian and maybe Iraqi units crossing the border, while Kuwait’s army flees as expected. The USA keeps an army brigade there, but that may not be enough to fend off an invasion, even with air superiority.

    3. In past wars, civilian oil tankers did not sail through the straits. The insurers (mostly Lloyds of London) and others announced they would not cover losses, and unionize ship crews refused to enter the war zone. So even if the USA keeps the straits open, all that oil will not flow forth.

    4. Iran has a fortified island in the Gulf whose guns cannot be silenced with just air power. A major amphibious landing is required to clear that island, and it will be bloody. Note the ship channels in the map. Supertankers are huge, so while the Straits of Hormuz are large, these big ships can only pass thru these two narrow channels, which are easily blocked. Iran could park its own tankers in these channels to block them and hope the USA foolishly sinks them, thus really blocking the entire channel.

    These four issues are of more importance than air battles over Iran.

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  44. Iran has always been the Grand Prize of the Jews’ Oded Yinon agenda:

    — (http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-jewish-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-beyond.html ]

    The Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael is not only Iran’s greatest enemy, it’s ours as well.

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    The Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael is not only Iran’s greatest enemy, it’s ours as well.
     
    Yes the Christian West's.
    But hopefully it will bring the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus and not Eretz Ysrael.
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  45. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Fighter escorts would be useless in protecting these as long as there is a credible SAM threat…
     
    Clearing the waters with high density of probability for SSKs by fighter aircraft will not be problematic. This is in regards to "patrol boats with manpads". Per Iranian S-300 PMU2, the are only 4 batteries of those and they are deployed mostly around strategically important facilities such as Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which is very deep into the Persian Gulf, that is 350 miles away from Bandar Abbas which is critical for Hormuz choke-point. There are, reportedly, some Buks and other systems (obviously Tors and some S1s). How good indigenous Iranian systems are? I don't know, I assume they can do some damage. What is transpiring right now between Russia and Iran--that what really matters and will matter in case of hostilities breaking out. By far the most importnat issue in all of that is: if Iran has P-800 Oniks. If that is the case--then picture changes dramatically and not in favor of the US. With that, the probability of destroying one or several very high value assets of US Navy in the area grows dramatically, as grows the probability of the whole thing going completely out of control. Per problems with P-8 Poseidon does have MAD, it also has a superb detection and signal processing suite--all despite some issues with air-frame, I heard.

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1300&ct=1

    Poseidons also carry missiles for SuWA. They are nothing to sneer at despite their problems. If Iran wants to ensure that all this does not go completely haywire, she has an option and she knows which one is that. But Iran is not an "easy" ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted--Russians are extremely well aware of this "small" fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace.

    I enjoyed your military discussion guys and would not disagree with what you wrote. But for me, there two key points:
    1) war is a totally unpredictable affair; this whole discussion is playing armchair generals; Iran is not Iraq, and
    2) the Saker did touch on the US morale but one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would.

    Yes, I agree that most of Attack Iran talk is a psyops bull, designed to financially exhaust Iran. US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed, Eric Margollis at al but none of these clowns would be willing to risk their lifestyles let alone their lives more than by moronic chest beating that they engage in. Attack Iran is simply Zionist incited US trash-pile rumbling. One long smelly fart, for lack of a better methapor. Cause it would be the end of US as it is now, still a relatively comfortable living country. Event the Hebrew Slaves know their own limitations.

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    "...one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would."

    This is what has every sensible person on the planet concerned, and is why Russia always pulls its punches even when Washington deserves a bloody nose.

    Washington can never be trusted to keep its word or to act rationally in response to any setback.
    , @Jmaie

    US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed,
     
    If you think Fred is pro war on Iran you havn't been paying attention...
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  46. Erebus says:
    @FB

    '...Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America’s most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined...'
     
    That's an interesting point...Here is part of what Major General Qassim Soleimani said after that all-caps tweet threat by Trump...

    '...We are near you where you can’t even imagine...'
     
    I found that puzzling...but your mention of cyberwar and civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to...

    Incidentally he also said this...

    'You threaten us with an action that is ‘unprecedented’ in the world. This is cabaret-style rhetoric. Only a cabaret owner talks to the world this way.

    What was it that you could do over the past 20 years but you didn’t? You came to Afghanistan with score of tanks and personnel carriers and hundreds of advanced helicopters and committed crimes there. What the hell could you do between 2001 and 2018 with 110,000 troops? You are today begging Taliban for Talks.

    Afghanistan was a poor country, what the hell could you do in this country that you are currently threatening us?

    You arrogantly attacked Iraq with 160,000 troops and multiple times (military equipment) compared to what you used in Afghanistan. But what happened? Ask your then commander who was the person that he sent to me and asked ‘Is it possible for you to give us time and use your influence so that our soldiers will not be attacked by the Iraqi fighters in these few months until we exit the country?’

    Have you forgotten that you provide adult diapers for your soldiers in the tanks? Despite that you are currently threatening the great country of Iran? With what background to you threaten us?'
     
    Ouch...this guy is a tough cookie...not sure how eager US generals are to dance with this guy...

    https://s20.postimg.cc/fkja8li7h/HAS68452342.jpg

    … civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to…

    You’ve heard me (and others, probably) say it before FB. 35 – 50 guys with RPGs, or even high power rifles, can reduce the US to chaos in one evening by taking down the critical choke points in the 3 regional grids that make up the national grid.
    35 if their hits are informed by, and coordinated to the grid’s loads and capacities for maximum effect. 50 if the operation is less well planned, and they simply take down all the big ones. Either way, not difficult to organize.

    Within days, civil order would break down across the US, and I’d guess that the national political order would break down within months if not weeks. With that, the US is no more and its foreign military assets would devolve to whatever host country they were located in. Afghanistan, Japan, Qatar and a few others would wake up one day and find themselves owners of a staggering pile of military impedimenta, but they and many others would wake to a world where the Guarantor of the countless treaties, agreements, and organizations that defined their place in the world’s pecking order had ceased to exist. The ensuing international scramble to redefine the commercial, financial, political, and security structures that currently keep order will be something to behold. Of course, that scramble would be unknown, and in any case academic to anyone stuck in CONUS.

    If Soleimani is as tough a cookie as he’d like to be seen, he’s talking about something like this is. Cyberwarfare serves as a distraction from operations designed to knock out the enemy’s capacity to return to the battlefield. Take out the physical grid, and America ain’t coming back for a long time.

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    Absolutely agree E...

    I think we've had this discussion before...I lived through the Northeast blackout of 2003...my town had zero electricity for three days...it was impossible to put gas in your car because the pumps obviously weren't working...the food stores immediately shut down and threw out all their perishables because their refrigeration was out...

    About two days in, they started letting people in single file, one by one...but just into the checkout area, the actual store and shelf area was blocked off...at the checkout area they would hand you a box of corn flakes, some bottled water etc...there was no payment requested because their cash registers weren't working...

    Convenience stores were good for chips and water etc...and they were taking cash and writing it down with pencil and paper on a notepad [probably for tax purposes]...

    I remember thinking the world had come to an end...if this went on for 30 days I honestly don't know how life as we know it would even exist...even within a week people would start to get really hungry and you would have violent smash and grab of any store that had cans of food...what about water...?...without electricity there was no water in your tap...also no toilet because no water to flush...

    Folks in the country who had their own well PLUS your own generator to run the well pump would be better off, obviously...if you had a few chickens for eggs, a wood burning stove, a goat for milk etc....you could hunker down and at least survive for some time...until your chicken scratch and goat feed ran out...or until hordes from town who had none of that started roving the countryside with rifles and taking whatever they could...

    People don't understand these simple facts...our society is so incredibly vulnerable that it's not even funny...ironically, for all our supposedly high IQ [which we read about here 24/7]...it would be those supposedly low IQ people in rural Africa who would survive just fine, since they don't have any of that to begin with...
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  47. @Max Havelaar
    You're brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.

    NATO was defeated on 14042018 in Syria:

    https://southfront.org/trumps-smart-missiles-in-syria-summing-up-evidence-and-numbers-provided-by-russia/

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.

    You’re brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.

    No, it’s just that you are delusional.

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.

    When Israel launches it’s final extermination of the Iranian people, Russia and China will merely sit and watch.

    No force in the universe can save the Iranians from utter annihilation. And thus it is written.

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    You sound like a definitively brainwashed Mossad, Jewish Messiah.

    The Rothschild terror state for übermensch Jews-only, needs a UN army occupation to revert the Palestinian expulsions since Nakba 1948.

    All Palestinians should receive reparation payments, like Holocaust survivors.
    , @hyperbola
    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast. What is needed now is for christians to stop being lackeys of the jews. Even better would be a repetition of Persians and christians joining up to put an end to jewish crimes against humanity.


    The Massacre of Christians at Mamilla Pool, 614 AD
    https://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-massacre-of-christians-at-mamilla.html

    The Massacre of Mamilla Pool near Jerusalem in 614 AD is one of those events about which every critic of the jews needs to know as it provides a brutal blow to the jewish claims of eternal historical victim-hood and oppression by Christians. I have previously commented on it by proxy in regard to Antiochus of Palestine's comments on the jews and the fall of Jerusalem in 614 AD. (1)

    To summarize: the events at Mamilla Pool involve the deliberate genocide of the unarmed and completely innocent Christian population of Jerusalem by jews.....
    , @Rabbitnexus
    "Thus it is written" ? Yes by you and your posts are garbage. if you mean prophesy, then it is written the fake state of "Israel" is doomed. Nothing suggests Iran is in danger.
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  48. Krollchem says:
    @FB

    '...But Iran is not an “easy” ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the minute they were lifted–Russians are extremely well aware of this “small” fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite warnings, in commercial aerospace...'
     
    No argument there...I've been saying the same thing for a long time...the Iranian aviation press started badmouthing Russian civil aircraft the minute sanctions were lifted [thanks mostly to Russia]...and then placing $20 billion orders with Boeing and Airbus...

    Not to mention the trouble they are causing in Syria...even Assad is holding his nose...

    I'm no fan of Iran, or religious extremism of any kind...but merely was debunking the horseshit about Iranian air defense spouted by clown Margolis...

    As for the P8, I'm not badmouthing it...it's an impressive piece of work...but I also know the MIC 'way'...which is to deliver crap that doesn't work and takes years to actually get working, if ever...and regardless of MAD or no MAD the main weapon against subs is still dropping sonobuys to find the sub in the first place...the P8 just isn't the right tool for the strait of Hormuz...even if working properly...

    And I still maintain that even with the four S300 batteries in Iran [each has four TELs, the mobile launchers, so that's 16 total]...Iran can close its airspace and that over the strait...mounting a serious SEAD effort is not going to be a Sunday walk in the park...they also have a lot of S200s, which they have reportedly modernized and mounted on trucks [and we recall how Syria brought down that F16 with its S200 a few months ago]...the S200 missile itself is still a monster even compared to S400...it's actually faster at 2500 m/s...that's near mach 10 at high altitude...compare that to US SAM technology...the SM6 has a whopping M3.5 top speed and uses the AIM120 air to air missile seeker...

    [There is also a ground-launched version of the AIM120 the SLAAMRAM...Houthis in Yemen are doing the same thing, turning old Soviet R27 AA missiles into SAMs...actually hit a Saudi F15 with one...of course one would expect the US MIC to be somewhat more sophisticated]

    I would not be surprised if the Bavar 373 is a decent SAM...at least the missile kinematic performance, since the Iranians have shown they can build pretty good missiles [the Syria strike a while back comes to mind, impressively precise from such a long range]...piggybacking those off the big Russian radars and they might have an impressive air defense capability overall...[I doubt their own radar tech is up to big league standards just yet]...

    But overall I agree...there's no way that Putin is going to 'save' Iran if the US attacks...but then I doubt the US is going to attack...I think it's pretty far fetched...Trump just offered 'no preconditions' talks to Iran so I think the whole thing is political theater...US sanctions will seriously hurt Iran and Trump needs to look like a winner for domestic politics...he can do this by simply redoing an Iran deal that is basically the same thing with window dressing...

    I agree that the Saker overestimates US capabilities in a peer-to-peer conflict as he did with the Syrian war.

    I don’t expect that the US and is “allies” will attack Iran as they cannot muster the force to make an effort. Most US air assets are Qatar and Turkey and neither will allow the US planes to takeoff. An aircraft carrier and a few forces in the UAE, including some F-22s, and Diego Garcia long range bombers will not cut it.

    As for Saudi Arabia, many of their pilots are actually Pakistani and may hesitate to go against the wishes of their new PM. Saudi Arabia proposed a land invasion of Qatar to take its oil and cash reserves which would also serve to allow the US to launch their planes against Iran. This plan was blocked by the Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, who was subsequently fired by Trump.

    https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/rex-tillerson-qatar-saudi-uae/

    If Saudi Arabia were to now try an invasion of Qatar they would have to fight their way through the Qatar-Turkey Combined Joint Force Command containing about a thousand Turkish troops. Somehow I do not see Saudi Arabia taking on the Turkish airforce:

    https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2018/06/13/turkish-military-in-qatar-bonds-of-mutual-trust

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses. Alternatively, if Israel attempts to fly through Iraq there is no guarantee that the Iraq air force would not take them out on the return flight.

    A little background on the Iranian defenses not mentioned by the Saker:
    (1) The Bavar-373 is based on the Russian export S-300 with some upgrades and are tied into the S-300 command and control network.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/09/03/533862/Iran-Farzad-Esmaili

    (2) Iran has the Sunbeam anti-ship missile and more importantly may have acquired the Yakhonts’ cruise missile (SSN-X-26) as Syria had:

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article153013.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/world/middleeast/russia-provides-syria-with-advanced-missiles.html

    From an economic perspective China, India, and Turkey will not stand still while their oil supplies are cut. Likewise Russia has just invested 50 billion in Iranian projects and would not like to lose them.

    See my oil geopolitics comment at the Margolis post.

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    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses.
     
    1. S-300 can't track an F-35

    2. Israel showed in 2007 that it can effortlessly blind Syrian/Iranian radar if it wants to, it usually just doesn't bother as it stays out of Syrian airspace for political purposes

    3. When Israel does implement the Final Solution to the Iranian Question, it will first infect all of Iranian military and civilian infrastructure with computer viruses that will make Iranian air defense moot

    ...

    Of course, with these anti regime protests wracking Iran, the Mullahs may soon be toppled, making all of this moot. This could potentially delay the annihilation of the Iranian people by decades so hopefully the Mullahs hang on. Certainly we should all pray for them.
    , @FB
    Some good points that bring in some of the details omitted in the article...the devil is always in the details...

    It is an interesting question about China and its oil supply from Iran...it's about a third of all China's oil...obviously cutting that off could cripple China...what happens then...?...we remember the Japs launched Pearl Harbor because of the US naval blockade that cut much of Japan's oil supply...

    This is dangerous stuff...

    Otoh...if the US just wants regime change in Iran, China may not care as long as they keep getting their oil...However, it's tough to see how the US could manage blowing up Iran and then restarting its oil flow like turning on the tap...we recall the Iraq invasion and how many years it took to get the oil flowing again...

    Not to mention that Iran is fully capable of taking down Saudi Arabia's oil production with its missiles...and there is no reason to think they won't do it if their country and oilfields are getting bombed...
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  49. krollchem says:
    @Thorfinnsson
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    ??????????

    Still pissed off the FB took your point of view down a few months ago?

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    Huh?

    I object to his endless use of ellipses, as should be obvious based on my comment. Stylistic barbarism.

    The content of his comments is generally decent.
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  50. @Krollchem
    I agree that the Saker overestimates US capabilities in a peer-to-peer conflict as he did with the Syrian war.

    I don't expect that the US and is "allies" will attack Iran as they cannot muster the force to make an effort. Most US air assets are Qatar and Turkey and neither will allow the US planes to takeoff. An aircraft carrier and a few forces in the UAE, including some F-22s, and Diego Garcia long range bombers will not cut it.

    As for Saudi Arabia, many of their pilots are actually Pakistani and may hesitate to go against the wishes of their new PM. Saudi Arabia proposed a land invasion of Qatar to take its oil and cash reserves which would also serve to allow the US to launch their planes against Iran. This plan was blocked by the Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, who was subsequently fired by Trump.
    https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/rex-tillerson-qatar-saudi-uae/

    If Saudi Arabia were to now try an invasion of Qatar they would have to fight their way through the Qatar-Turkey Combined Joint Force Command containing about a thousand Turkish troops. Somehow I do not see Saudi Arabia taking on the Turkish airforce:
    https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2018/06/13/turkish-military-in-qatar-bonds-of-mutual-trust

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses. Alternatively, if Israel attempts to fly through Iraq there is no guarantee that the Iraq air force would not take them out on the return flight.

    A little background on the Iranian defenses not mentioned by the Saker:
    (1) The Bavar-373 is based on the Russian export S-300 with some upgrades and are tied into the S-300 command and control network.
    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/09/03/533862/Iran-Farzad-Esmaili

    (2) Iran has the Sunbeam anti-ship missile and more importantly may have acquired the Yakhonts’ cruise missile (SSN-X-26) as Syria had:
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article153013.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/world/middleeast/russia-provides-syria-with-advanced-missiles.html

    From an economic perspective China, India, and Turkey will not stand still while their oil supplies are cut. Likewise Russia has just invested 50 billion in Iranian projects and would not like to lose them.

    See my oil geopolitics comment at the Margolis post.

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses.

    1. S-300 can’t track an F-35

    2. Israel showed in 2007 that it can effortlessly blind Syrian/Iranian radar if it wants to, it usually just doesn’t bother as it stays out of Syrian airspace for political purposes

    3. When Israel does implement the Final Solution to the Iranian Question, it will first infect all of Iranian military and civilian infrastructure with computer viruses that will make Iranian air defense moot

    Of course, with these anti regime protests wracking Iran, the Mullahs may soon be toppled, making all of this moot. This could potentially delay the annihilation of the Iranian people by decades so hopefully the Mullahs hang on. Certainly we should all pray for them.

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    More self-help ( may be you could organize a crowfunding to pay for your psichoanalyst? ) to forget that which is at the edge of the civil war is precisely Israel, with which it is the rest of humanity, and not only Russia and China, who will sit and watch, since nobody has any dog in that fight .. ..

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/orientemedio/201808031080926195-la-tension-entre-jaredies-y-liberales-en-israel/

    , @Krollchem
    "S-300 can’t track an F-35"

    This is not 2007, and even in the late 1990s the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia used their radar systems to shoot down a US F-117.

    In addition, the s-300s do not track planes their associated radar units do the tracking. It is even worse if the pilot leaves the transponder on:
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/website-lets-you-track-f-35-stealth-fighters-26901

    I admit that I am not an expert on radar tracking but would not be surprised if Iran's radar systems can track the F35 flying paperweight. Would you care to comment on Russian and Chinese UHF based voronezh and Nebo-M radar system capabilities vs the F-35s GaN EW systems.

    It is well known that China is the leader in quantum computing and may have developed quantum radar:
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/chinas-claim-it-has-quantum-radar-may-leave-17-billion-f35-naked/news-story/207ac01ff3107d21a9f36e54b6f0fbab

    Perhaps Andrei Martyanov may have some background information.

    In the end it would be foolish for the US and its allies to start a war with Iran as it is likely to end up with a civilization ending Nuclear Winter.
    , @Jesse James
    The hate-filled, Zio-cyclops cheerleading captain has made another heartfelt prediction.
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  51. @Bliss

    Understanding the AZW’s goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel’s borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians
     
    Wow. Crazy if true.

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    Because it is happening now. Since the Zionist movement began, in the late 19th century, the territory controlled by the Jews has ever expanded. Currently the only thing saving the Arabs/Muslims is that the secular Jews still mostly control Israeli politics and have a death grip on the IDF senior command. But everyday Israel becomes more theocratic and, in many ways, the secular are being squeezed even more than the Arabs/Iranians.

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite “people” who have not already been destroyed by that time.

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?

    No. Of course not.

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    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite “people”
     
    That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?

    No. Of course not.
     
    Why not? If the land was promised by an Omnipotent God why hasn’t the promise even come close to being fulfilled in thousands of years? Isn’t it foolish to keep worshipping a God who doesn’t keep his promises?

    Here’s another promise that isn’t fulfilled: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away.
    , @annamaria
    How authoritative is your opinion? A lot of righteous Jews think of the zionist warmongers as the traitors to Jewish people (the People of Israel). http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1506.htm
    The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

    FIRST -- Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel. ... a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." ...

    SECOND -- ... the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah. ...

    THIRD Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. ...

    FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel."
    , @Anon
    When Israel becomes a theocracy won’t the entire Jewish population be exempt from military service?
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  52. @Thorfinnsson
    I don't approve of Greasy William's views, but reporting other commenters to the police is disgusting and a betrayal of the spirit of the internet.

    Maybe you'd be better served posting on Reddit.

    More to the point, I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

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    More to the point, I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.
     
    Anybody who wants my IP only has to ask. What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in? Is somebody gonna get a court order on me?

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.
     
    I'm flattered, truly. But don't you feel like the Saker's readers are getting better at not taking the bait? I feel like I'm needing to get more and more extreme to get ever lessening reactions.

    It's probably because Iran has been so thoroughly humiliated in Syria and Yemen that the Russophiles are in too much despair to respond to my provocations.

    Very frustrating.
    , @Wally
    This coming from the same Anatoly Karlin who bans / censors those who make on topic & varied comments about his posted references in his articles concerning the fake & impossible '6M Jews / holocaust'.

    Free speech only goes so far for Anatoly Karlin.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/20180118_outrage.png?itok=RhdJTA4x

    www.codoh.com

    , @Mike P

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.
     
    Everyone who has read your sophomoric articles already knows that you have not yet reached adulthood - no need to supplement it with inane comments like this one.
    , @peterAUS

    I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.
     
    Well, it's possible.

    A couple of prerequisites:
    The "random commenter" is a medium level hacker. Plenty of those around.
    More importantly, the poster doesn't implement reasonable measures re the system he's posting from. Most people don't.

    So........
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  53. @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    You are clearly doing here an exercise of wishful thinking as an attempt at self-help, to save yourself the psychoanalyst, for your current state of personal terror that kept you awake for several nights now, seeing that your greatest squire, in your delirious expansive dreams, is no more the feared and respected hegemon it used to be, as a consequence of his own self-sabotage….

    A teddy bear, sucking the big toe of a hand or calling mom would have the same effect, but you already have the whole beard, right? In any case, change your diaper, it smells even from here, West-Western Europe ….

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    That was really touching. I cried a little.
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  54. @Anatoly Karlin
    More to the point, I don't know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy's IP.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

    More to the point, I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.

    Anybody who wants my IP only has to ask. What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in? Is somebody gonna get a court order on me?

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

    I’m flattered, truly. But don’t you feel like the Saker’s readers are getting better at not taking the bait? I feel like I’m needing to get more and more extreme to get ever lessening reactions.

    It’s probably because Iran has been so thoroughly humiliated in Syria and Yemen that the Russophiles are in too much despair to respond to my provocations.

    Very frustrating.

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    Outstanding work. Comment #5 is some of your best material to date. Don't get frustrated. They are just in shock. They'll be back. Stay vigilant.
    , @peterAUS

    ....What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in?...
     
    You are THAT naive?

    With a correct IP a a lot can be done.
    A LOT.

    One has to be really good though. The poster commenting against you doesn't strike me as such. Still, he could have access to those who can.

    And, besides, any state level player can, with more or less ease. Any of "Five Eyes" can.

    I know that...ahm..."agencies" where I am, could, just as I type this, monitor exactly what I am doing.
    The thing is, of course, I can see that. Or so I say.....
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  55. @Greasy William

    You’re brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.
     
    No, it's just that you are delusional.

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.
     
    When Israel launches it's final extermination of the Iranian people, Russia and China will merely sit and watch.

    No force in the universe can save the Iranians from utter annihilation. And thus it is written.

    You sound like a definitively brainwashed Mossad, Jewish Messiah.

    The Rothschild terror state for übermensch Jews-only, needs a UN army occupation to revert the Palestinian expulsions since Nakba 1948.

    All Palestinians should receive reparation payments, like Holocaust survivors.

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  56. @Greasy William

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses.
     
    1. S-300 can't track an F-35

    2. Israel showed in 2007 that it can effortlessly blind Syrian/Iranian radar if it wants to, it usually just doesn't bother as it stays out of Syrian airspace for political purposes

    3. When Israel does implement the Final Solution to the Iranian Question, it will first infect all of Iranian military and civilian infrastructure with computer viruses that will make Iranian air defense moot

    ...

    Of course, with these anti regime protests wracking Iran, the Mullahs may soon be toppled, making all of this moot. This could potentially delay the annihilation of the Iranian people by decades so hopefully the Mullahs hang on. Certainly we should all pray for them.

    More self-help ( may be you could organize a crowfunding to pay for your psichoanalyst? ) to forget that which is at the edge of the civil war is precisely Israel, with which it is the rest of humanity, and not only Russia and China, who will sit and watch, since nobody has any dog in that fight .. ..

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/orientemedio/201808031080926195-la-tension-entre-jaredies-y-liberales-en-israel/

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    this is America. Speak English.
    , @krollchem
    Don't get discouraged. Greasy is a Zionist anti-Semitic troll who likes to go fishing at this site. As for "Johnny Rico", he is a self identifying NAZI per his handle from the anti-Fascist movie “Starship Troopers”

    https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/starship-troopers-fascist-satire-coming-true
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  57. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kiza
    I enjoyed your military discussion guys and would not disagree with what you wrote. But for me, there two key points:
    1) war is a totally unpredictable affair; this whole discussion is playing armchair generals; Iran is not Iraq, and
    2) the Saker did touch on the US morale but one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would.

    Yes, I agree that most of Attack Iran talk is a psyops bull, designed to financially exhaust Iran. US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed, Eric Margollis at al but none of these clowns would be willing to risk their lifestyles let alone their lives more than by moronic chest beating that they engage in. Attack Iran is simply Zionist incited US trash-pile rumbling. One long smelly fart, for lack of a better methapor. Cause it would be the end of US as it is now, still a relatively comfortable living country. Event the Hebrew Slaves know their own limitations.

    “…one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would.”

    This is what has every sensible person on the planet concerned, and is why Russia always pulls its punches even when Washington deserves a bloody nose.

    Washington can never be trusted to keep its word or to act rationally in response to any setback.

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  58. @Question
    Thank you for the clarification. Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of History at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior Historian at London Imperial War Museum, concur:

    "...
    "The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through Moscow's mediation," Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.

    Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings — 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in Nagasaki the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion if it retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for war, according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman ...

    "The Soviet attack changed all that," Charman said. "The leadership in Tokyo realized they had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs."
    ..."

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/14/historians-soviet-offensive-key-japans-wwii-surrender-eclipsed-bombs.html

    For those (like me) who grew up with the “standard” story, I strongly recommend Hasegawa’s thoroughly-documented book Racing the Enemy — Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan

    http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674022416&content=reviews

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  59. Avery says:
    @Johnny Rico
    There's no circle. The Saker believes the only thing the US did in World War II was murder civilians.

    That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism. Japan surrendered because Stalin finally entered the war against Japan like the day after Hiroshima and invaded Manchuria. The US had nothing to do with it.

    It is nonsense. But that is the standard narrative here.

    {That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism}

    Yes, it was USSR that saved Europe from German Nazism.
    Fascist Italy was no threat to any country other than Ethiopia.
    US had very little to do with defeating the Wehrmacht, notwithstanding the sacrifice and heroism of those GIs who were KIA or WIA fighting Nazis.

    US, in particular USN, was the primary force that defeated Imperial Japan.

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    I see what you did there. Sneaky.

    That, of course, is the horseshit narrative to which I refer.

    The USSR didn't "save" anybody.
    , @CalDre

    Yes, it was USSR that saved Europe from German Nazism.
     
    Equally true, but vastly more important (and a fact for which one really needs to thank Hitler and the Nazis deeply, though of course with the Bolshevik-media/establishment driven demonization of anything anti-Communist, you need to think outside the proverbial box to see it), it was Germany that saved Europe, and the world, from Soviet Stalinism/Communism. A fate a million times worse than Nazism.
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  60. LOL @ anybody who thinks that Greasy is trolling and not a genuine jewish psychopath.
    He is indeed one of the chosen – not by the God of the Bible, but the God from the Berserk manga – The Idea of Evil.

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  61. @Fatima Manoubia
    More self-help ( may be you could organize a crowfunding to pay for your psichoanalyst? ) to forget that which is at the edge of the civil war is precisely Israel, with which it is the rest of humanity, and not only Russia and China, who will sit and watch, since nobody has any dog in that fight .. ..

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/orientemedio/201808031080926195-la-tension-entre-jaredies-y-liberales-en-israel/

    this is America. Speak English.

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    America doesn't have an official language. Try speaking English in certain parishes in Louisiana and in many towns along the Mexican border.
    , @Rabbitnexus
    This is NOT America you tonk! This is the internet. As for what Americans speak, it is only a bastardised and misspelled English Americans use actually.
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  62. @Question
    Thank you for the clarification. Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of History at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior Historian at London Imperial War Museum, concur:

    "...
    "The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through Moscow's mediation," Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.

    Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings — 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in Nagasaki the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion if it retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for war, according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman ...

    "The Soviet attack changed all that," Charman said. "The leadership in Tokyo realized they had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs."
    ..."

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/14/historians-soviet-offensive-key-japans-wwii-surrender-eclipsed-bombs.html

    The issue is complex. Hasegawa wrote an excellent book on the subject. I would read it if you are looking for answers and insight.

    I would also recommend reading David Glantz’ ‘August Storm.’ It is available free on the internet or, at least, from some electronic library systems. It provides an excellent analysis of the Russian invasion of Manchuria. The breathless comments about Stalin causing the Japanese surrender are made by people who don’t understand this military history.

    The simple judgement provided in that soundbite that one thing was more important than the other is misleading.

    Stalin talked a lot of shit. The atomic bomb completely surprised him. There was no mention the next day in Moscow of the event. You would think there would have been for a number of reasons.

    The narrative maintained by the neo-Stalinists here is intellectually dishonest and convenient.

    There was no possibility of the Russians invading the Japanese Homeland islands as they had no navy or amphibious landing craft for the task.

    The decision to surrender was a complicated affair with various camps within the Japanese power structure having different interests, having access to different information, exerting different amounts of influence on the Emperor, and changing stances.

    The knowledge that Stalin was no longer abiding by the non-agression pact between Japan and Russia and was now engaged in an opportunistic land grab after NOT fighting the Japanese at all for the previous four years was much more important than any military achievements in Manchuria.

    No, in the Pacific, the United States did ALL the lifting and Russia did NOTHING.

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    The Russians may have had a shot taking Hokkaido largely unopposed if they conducted their landings while the American invasion of Kyushu and Honshu was drawing off most of the Japanese defense effort.

    Specialized landing craft are not really a prerequisite for amphibious operations against undefended landing sites. Most of Japan’s initial offensives in Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, the Philippines, and elsewhere were conducted using impressed merchant shipping.

    Nonetheless I agree with your larger point. The invasion of Manchuria was a fine victory but the victory over Japan was first and foremost an American one, just as the Soviets deserve the lion’s share of the credit for defeating Germany. Let both enjoy what they earned.
    , @skrik

    The narrative maintained by the neo-Stalinists here is intellectually dishonest and convenient
     
    One needn't be a neo-anything to question the 'standard US narrative,' just a truth-seeker. That the 'Western' rogue-regimes lie, especially the FUKUSIL ones, is hardly contested these days: It is now 'a given.'

    One may wonder what Johnny Rico&Co need to be, to swallow the 'standard US narrative' whole. But, of course, we don't need to know what Johnny Rico&Co are [who could care?] Here's a partial quote:


    But it remained for the yyy, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, ...
     
    Now, following Sherlock Holmes, IF the US rogue-regime, say, is the 'yyy' here, THEN it would pay us to look for alternatives to this particular 'standard US H&N A-bomb narrative;' let' see:

    1. The US A-bombs cost a real motser; there'd be hell to pay if they weren't 'cashed in' for 'best' value. Hence the '½mio' [give or take; YMMV] US casualty estimate for invading.

    2. The US wanted to 'send a signal' to the USSR: 'You could very well be next!'

    3. But acutely, the US rogue-regime really, really wanted to get data from *live targets*.


    It is not unlikely that the estimates of killed and wounded in Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) are over conservative
     
    Mostly innocents, note; the 3 target cities were kept 'pristine' in reserve; had they been 'legitimate' war targets, not to attack them like US did most other cities would be seen as 'aiding the enemy.'
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  63. Tulip says:

    I would say odds on for a war with Iran.

    Results:

    Collapse of Iran, failed state, more terrorism.

    Trump discredited and booted out of office.

    Probably a bigger mess on the ground than Americans are used to–and if I were China, I’d make sure Iran had some surprises. (Never miss a chance to escalate conflict when your neighbor turns on your other neighbor.)

    Isolation of America in the international community.

    But it would probably make Israel stronger in geopolitical terms, as long as America can be propped up with life support and federal bailouts.

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  64. @Fatima Manoubia
    You are clearly doing here an exercise of wishful thinking as an attempt at self-help, to save yourself the psychoanalyst, for your current state of personal terror that kept you awake for several nights now, seeing that your greatest squire, in your delirious expansive dreams, is no more the feared and respected hegemon it used to be, as a consequence of his own self-sabotage....

    A teddy bear, sucking the big toe of a hand or calling mom would have the same effect, but you already have the whole beard, right? In any case, change your diaper, it smells even from here, West-Western Europe ....

    That was really touching. I cried a little.

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  65. @Greasy William

    More to the point, I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.
     
    Anybody who wants my IP only has to ask. What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in? Is somebody gonna get a court order on me?

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.
     
    I'm flattered, truly. But don't you feel like the Saker's readers are getting better at not taking the bait? I feel like I'm needing to get more and more extreme to get ever lessening reactions.

    It's probably because Iran has been so thoroughly humiliated in Syria and Yemen that the Russophiles are in too much despair to respond to my provocations.

    Very frustrating.

    Outstanding work. Comment #5 is some of your best material to date. Don’t get frustrated. They are just in shock. They’ll be back. Stay vigilant.

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    Enjoy, "Johny Rico:" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1506.htm

    "What is "The people of Israel"?
    1. The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
    2. It has its own particular, essential, nature.
    3. The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
    4. Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
    5. Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
    6. The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
    7. Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service."
    , @peterAUS
    Actually......agree.
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  66. Avery says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    This means some kind of electronic area access denial? Is that it? Russians/Iranians could jam air space for many miles off periphery of Iran, if nec.
     
    This too. All that, however, revolves around how practical Iran's leadership is and what it is ready to trade for a reliable security. Iran DOES have own agenda in ME and it is not always parallel to that of Russia. But there is also no doubt whatsoever that Iran does have a strategic depth and is well-connected to Russia both through Caspian Sea and friendly Azerbaijan, which Russia wants to see stable. A lot is at stake here, including Russia's very own and major geopolitical interests in Caucasus.

    { But there is also no doubt whatsoever that Iran does have a strategic depth and is well-connected to Russia both through Caspian Sea and friendly Azerbaijan, which Russia wants to see stable.}

    Azerbaijan is nominally ‘friendly’ with Russia, and the Caspian sea is militarily a Russian lake, so yeah, Iran is well connected to Russia via the Caspian. But I am not sure where is the “well connection” via Azerbaijan?

    Azerbaijan is anywhere from unfriendly to hostile to IRI, so I doubt very much it will allow any military or any other kind of help from Russia to Iran.

    - Azerbaijan has designs on Iran’s Northern provinces of Azarbaijan (South of the Arax river) and Iranian leadership is quite aware of that fact.
    - Azerbaijan is buddy-buddies with Israel. Azerbaijan allows Israeli spying (drones and other technical means) from its territory against Iran. Iran is aware of that too.
    - Iran says that all the terrorist attacks and sabotage operations organized against it and the assassinations of its civilian scientists were run by Israelis based in Azerbaijan.

    And Aliyev is stupid enough or greedy enough to allow US/Israeli attacks on Iran from its territory in case of war, so nobody knows what will happen in that case.

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    Azerbaijan is anywhere from unfriendly to hostile to IRI, so I doubt very much it will allow any military or any other kind of help from Russia to Iran.
     
    It will. Moreover, new railroad track (under auspices of North-South corridor) is being laid from Russia through Azerbaijan to Iran as I type this.

    - Azerbaijan has designs on Iran’s Northern provinces of Azarbaijan (South of the Arax river) and Iranian leadership is quite aware of that fact.
     
    Having millions of ethnic Azeris living in Northern Azerbaijan in Iran does not in any way make very long range (and not really serious) designs of Baku realistic. In the end, Achmadinejad is ethnic Azeri, didn't prevent him from becoming a president. In general, Baku's "designs' are simply minuscule in relation to a fact, one of many, that Iran's business and finances are omnipresent in Azerbaijan. Plus, if to imagine (God forbids) the actual bombing campaign against Iran, Baku may get its "wish" in form of a stream of people escaping war zone into Azerbaijan and handling that will require resources which Baku doesn't have. And this is just one contingency.

    And Aliyev is stupid enough or greedy enough to allow US/Israeli attacks on Iran from its territory in case of war, so nobody knows what will happen in that case.
     
    Extremely remote scenario since Aliev has a direct line to Putin and here Moscow has a real say. I doubt such a scenario to be realistic. But, of course, in this present world one cannot be sure anymore.
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  67. @krollchem
    Still pissed off the FB took your point of view down a few months ago?

    Huh?

    I object to his endless use of ellipses, as should be obvious based on my comment. Stylistic barbarism.

    The content of his comments is generally decent.

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  68. I’m skeptical of the idea that Iran has major retaliatory options.

    Midget subs have a poor combat record. Doubt that much has changed on that front.

    Modern SSKs are pretty formidable, but they’re also slow, need to surface, and have to return to port (which themselves are targets). And they’d be operating in well imaged, shallow water.

    Iran’s missiles can and will do damage, but I doubt they’ll even make much of a dent in allied sortie rates. The missiles are limited in number, are subject to dispersal, and are equipped with conventional warheads. Realistically, not much more threatening than Saddam’s SCUDs or Germany’s V-2s.

    And the idea that oil tankers will stop operating because of problems with insurance is so stupid I can’t believe anyone takes it seriously. Major consumer states will immediately step in and provide insurance themselves. Just as the Allies did in both world wars.

    Iran’s best option in the event of a war might be to attack American troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As Islamic war of liberation against the “crusaders”. There are supposedly 15,000 American troops in Afghanistan and 9,000 in Iraq.

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    Iran’s best option in the event of a war might be to attack American troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As Islamic war of liberation against the “crusaders”. There are supposedly 15,000 American troops in Afghanistan and 9,000 in Iraq.
     
    Something better than nothing then. I hope everyone of those evil scum gets captured... alive.

    I have no stomach for all those barbaric head chopping videos from some time back. But, I would make an exception for the 24000 you mention above. I would especially look for the hook noses wearing a kippah or a starry trinket.

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  69. Vendetta says:
    @Johnny Rico
    The issue is complex. Hasegawa wrote an excellent book on the subject. I would read it if you are looking for answers and insight.

    I would also recommend reading David Glantz' 'August Storm.' It is available free on the internet or, at least, from some electronic library systems. It provides an excellent analysis of the Russian invasion of Manchuria. The breathless comments about Stalin causing the Japanese surrender are made by people who don't understand this military history.

    The simple judgement provided in that soundbite that one thing was more important than the other is misleading.

    Stalin talked a lot of shit. The atomic bomb completely surprised him. There was no mention the next day in Moscow of the event. You would think there would have been for a number of reasons.

    The narrative maintained by the neo-Stalinists here is intellectually dishonest and convenient.

    There was no possibility of the Russians invading the Japanese Homeland islands as they had no navy or amphibious landing craft for the task.

    The decision to surrender was a complicated affair with various camps within the Japanese power structure having different interests, having access to different information, exerting different amounts of influence on the Emperor, and changing stances.

    The knowledge that Stalin was no longer abiding by the non-agression pact between Japan and Russia and was now engaged in an opportunistic land grab after NOT fighting the Japanese at all for the previous four years was much more important than any military achievements in Manchuria.

    No, in the Pacific, the United States did ALL the lifting and Russia did NOTHING.

    The Russians may have had a shot taking Hokkaido largely unopposed if they conducted their landings while the American invasion of Kyushu and Honshu was drawing off most of the Japanese defense effort.

    Specialized landing craft are not really a prerequisite for amphibious operations against undefended landing sites. Most of Japan’s initial offensives in Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, the Philippines, and elsewhere were conducted using impressed merchant shipping.

    Nonetheless I agree with your larger point. The invasion of Manchuria was a fine victory but the victory over Japan was first and foremost an American one, just as the Soviets deserve the lion’s share of the credit for defeating Germany. Let both enjoy what they earned.

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    You are way too friendly with (Western) Germany's post-war protectors who supplied Stalins Soviet Union with all the materiel needed to deserve said lion's share.

    Mass murder, mass pillaging and mass rape were made possible by masses of Studebaker trucks.

    If you think these crimes were committed solely to punish Germans, take a tour of eastern Europe and research the lodal's attitude towards Russia.
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  70. FB says:
    @Erebus

    ... civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to…
     
    You've heard me (and others, probably) say it before FB. 35 - 50 guys with RPGs, or even high power rifles, can reduce the US to chaos in one evening by taking down the critical choke points in the 3 regional grids that make up the national grid.
    35 if their hits are informed by, and coordinated to the grid's loads and capacities for maximum effect. 50 if the operation is less well planned, and they simply take down all the big ones. Either way, not difficult to organize.

    Within days, civil order would break down across the US, and I'd guess that the national political order would break down within months if not weeks. With that, the US is no more and its foreign military assets would devolve to whatever host country they were located in. Afghanistan, Japan, Qatar and a few others would wake up one day and find themselves owners of a staggering pile of military impedimenta, but they and many others would wake to a world where the Guarantor of the countless treaties, agreements, and organizations that defined their place in the world's pecking order had ceased to exist. The ensuing international scramble to redefine the commercial, financial, political, and security structures that currently keep order will be something to behold. Of course, that scramble would be unknown, and in any case academic to anyone stuck in CONUS.

    If Soleimani is as tough a cookie as he'd like to be seen, he's talking about something like this is. Cyberwarfare serves as a distraction from operations designed to knock out the enemy's capacity to return to the battlefield. Take out the physical grid, and America ain't coming back for a long time.

    Absolutely agree E…

    I think we’ve had this discussion before…I lived through the Northeast blackout of 2003…my town had zero electricity for three days…it was impossible to put gas in your car because the pumps obviously weren’t working…the food stores immediately shut down and threw out all their perishables because their refrigeration was out…

    About two days in, they started letting people in single file, one by one…but just into the checkout area, the actual store and shelf area was blocked off…at the checkout area they would hand you a box of corn flakes, some bottled water etc…there was no payment requested because their cash registers weren’t working…

    Convenience stores were good for chips and water etc…and they were taking cash and writing it down with pencil and paper on a notepad [probably for tax purposes]…

    I remember thinking the world had come to an end…if this went on for 30 days I honestly don’t know how life as we know it would even exist…even within a week people would start to get really hungry and you would have violent smash and grab of any store that had cans of food…what about water…?…without electricity there was no water in your tap…also no toilet because no water to flush…

    Folks in the country who had their own well PLUS your own generator to run the well pump would be better off, obviously…if you had a few chickens for eggs, a wood burning stove, a goat for milk etc….you could hunker down and at least survive for some time…until your chicken scratch and goat feed ran out…or until hordes from town who had none of that started roving the countryside with rifles and taking whatever they could…

    People don’t understand these simple facts…our society is so incredibly vulnerable that it’s not even funny…ironically, for all our supposedly high IQ [which we read about here 24/7]…it would be those supposedly low IQ people in rural Africa who would survive just fine, since they don’t have any of that to begin with…

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  71. hyperbola says:
    @Greasy William

    You’re brainwashed to filtering it all, to pro US of AIPAC.
     
    No, it's just that you are delusional.

    And Russia-China-Iran is completely ignored in all analysis.
     
    When Israel launches it's final extermination of the Iranian people, Russia and China will merely sit and watch.

    No force in the universe can save the Iranians from utter annihilation. And thus it is written.

    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast. What is needed now is for christians to stop being lackeys of the jews. Even better would be a repetition of Persians and christians joining up to put an end to jewish crimes against humanity.

    The Massacre of Christians at Mamilla Pool, 614 AD

    https://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-massacre-of-christians-at-mamilla.html

    The Massacre of Mamilla Pool near Jerusalem in 614 AD is one of those events about which every critic of the jews needs to know as it provides a brutal blow to the jewish claims of eternal historical victim-hood and oppression by Christians. I have previously commented on it by proxy in regard to Antiochus of Palestine’s comments on the jews and the fall of Jerusalem in 614 AD. (1)

    To summarize: the events at Mamilla Pool involve the deliberate genocide of the unarmed and completely innocent Christian population of Jerusalem by jews…..

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    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast.
     
    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.
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  72. FB says:
    @Krollchem
    I agree that the Saker overestimates US capabilities in a peer-to-peer conflict as he did with the Syrian war.

    I don't expect that the US and is "allies" will attack Iran as they cannot muster the force to make an effort. Most US air assets are Qatar and Turkey and neither will allow the US planes to takeoff. An aircraft carrier and a few forces in the UAE, including some F-22s, and Diego Garcia long range bombers will not cut it.

    As for Saudi Arabia, many of their pilots are actually Pakistani and may hesitate to go against the wishes of their new PM. Saudi Arabia proposed a land invasion of Qatar to take its oil and cash reserves which would also serve to allow the US to launch their planes against Iran. This plan was blocked by the Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, who was subsequently fired by Trump.
    https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/rex-tillerson-qatar-saudi-uae/

    If Saudi Arabia were to now try an invasion of Qatar they would have to fight their way through the Qatar-Turkey Combined Joint Force Command containing about a thousand Turkish troops. Somehow I do not see Saudi Arabia taking on the Turkish airforce:
    https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2018/06/13/turkish-military-in-qatar-bonds-of-mutual-trust

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses. Alternatively, if Israel attempts to fly through Iraq there is no guarantee that the Iraq air force would not take them out on the return flight.

    A little background on the Iranian defenses not mentioned by the Saker:
    (1) The Bavar-373 is based on the Russian export S-300 with some upgrades and are tied into the S-300 command and control network.
    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/09/03/533862/Iran-Farzad-Esmaili

    (2) Iran has the Sunbeam anti-ship missile and more importantly may have acquired the Yakhonts’ cruise missile (SSN-X-26) as Syria had:
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article153013.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/world/middleeast/russia-provides-syria-with-advanced-missiles.html

    From an economic perspective China, India, and Turkey will not stand still while their oil supplies are cut. Likewise Russia has just invested 50 billion in Iranian projects and would not like to lose them.

    See my oil geopolitics comment at the Margolis post.

    Some good points that bring in some of the details omitted in the article…the devil is always in the details…

    It is an interesting question about China and its oil supply from Iran…it’s about a third of all China’s oil…obviously cutting that off could cripple China…what happens then…?…we remember the Japs launched Pearl Harbor because of the US naval blockade that cut much of Japan’s oil supply…

    This is dangerous stuff…

    Otoh…if the US just wants regime change in Iran, China may not care as long as they keep getting their oil…However, it’s tough to see how the US could manage blowing up Iran and then restarting its oil flow like turning on the tap…we recall the Iraq invasion and how many years it took to get the oil flowing again…

    Not to mention that Iran is fully capable of taking down Saudi Arabia’s oil production with its missiles…and there is no reason to think they won’t do it if their country and oilfields are getting bombed…

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    Sounds like Russia would be the real winner of this war. Goes right along with how Iran was the real winner of Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

    If they the US ever goes that far down the path of stupidity, don’t rule out the neocons launching another harebrained scheme to try and rescue themselves from the consequences of the first one.

    Regime change in Venezuela comes to mind. What’s the closest, weakest country they could smash to get some oil back on the market? Venezuela. Already comes with built-in ‘humanitarian’ (“those people are starving!”) and ‘realist’ (“the IRGC is building secret missile bases there!”) excuses to justify intervention.

    Venezuela already has a large fifth column ready to jump when the US says jump, Colombia is right next door with a battle hardened army to do the grunt work if the fifth columnists won’t cut it, and the Venezuelan government has mismanaged its defense spending about as badly as everything else, throwing money away on prestige weapons like Sukhoi fighter jets instead of things that might actually do them some good in asymmetrical warfare against the US, like anti-ship missiles.

    Unleash the fifth columnists, call in the Colombians, give them round the clock air support like we did in Libya, maybe call on the new right wing governments in Brazil, Argentina, etc. to supply a few token regiments to give the whole thing an “international coalition” flavor (surely we can count on a few platoons from Guatemala and Honduras, at least) and bingo, it’s a cakewalk!

    It may actually even be something like a cakewalk, certainly more so than our misadventures in the Middle East. The one snag in the plan might be if Maduro manages to burn the oilfields down on his way out. I wouldn’t put it past him to try, but trying and failing seems par the course for him. Chavez was impressive in many ways, Maduro is a joke. I imagine US special forces being sent in to try and wrest control of the oil facilities would be the very first move of the invasion.

    As for what happens afterward, though...probably going to be quite a mess. The comprador regime takes power, the Americans move in and get the oil pumping again to the max, behind a perimeter of Colombian mercenaries and American special forces. The Americans probably try and minimize their footprint on the ground to just that, control of the oil infrastructure and providing training and air support to whatever forces the new regime can muster. This whole thing is premised on a simultaneous US war in Iran, that means the Venezuela operation will have to be done on the cheap with minimal investment of forces.

    Of course, the neocons may well end up getting more than they bargained for with that. Caracas is already a war zone right now, with out of control crime and murder rates...just picture this place when the actual country is a war zone. The chavistas retreat and maintain an urban insurgency where they can while probably setting up a FARC-like force out in the jungles and rural areas. The American invasion, the presence of the Colombians, the cancellation of the social welfare programs, the US reliance on airpower and mercenaries, and the undisguised theft of the country’s oil wealth (together with the death or detention of the bumbling Maduro) will breathe fire back into the Venezuelan left. Before long this chavista insurgency will be fighting with an ideological fervor Maduro could have only dreamt of from his own indifferent troops at the start of the war.

    The new regime’s forces meanwhile turn out to be another hollow force like every other collaborator army the US has trained overseas, the Colombians get sick of doing the dying for the US (growing domestic backlash against the war in Colombia, the people were just starting to get used to peace), and off in Iran, the war still rages on - turns out that surgical airpower was completely unable to hunt down every Iranian anti-ship missile group around the strait of Hormuz, or to stop the Iranians from launching a couple dozen more speedboats every night to toss a few more mines into the strait, so now we had to send in the Marines to seize “a few strategic sites” on the Iranian coast - which turned into seizing the entire Iranian coast, which turned into a full-scale land war in Iran to keep our coastal holdings from being overrun by these endless waves of men the Iranians keep sending...

    Well at that point the commanders in Venezuela are going to be screaming for a ‘surge’ to maintain their precarious hold in the country, only the problem is, there’s no one left to surge with, all the forces that could be spared are in Iran, and the commanders in Iran are also screaming about how they don’t have enough manpower either...

    What can the neocons do then?

    Blame Russia, I guess. And maybe the Cubans.
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  73. Bliss says:
    @Greasy William

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?
     
    Because it is happening now. Since the Zionist movement began, in the late 19th century, the territory controlled by the Jews has ever expanded. Currently the only thing saving the Arabs/Muslims is that the secular Jews still mostly control Israeli politics and have a death grip on the IDF senior command. But everyday Israel becomes more theocratic and, in many ways, the secular are being squeezed even more than the Arabs/Iranians.

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite "people" who have not already been destroyed by that time.


    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?
     
    No. Of course not.

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite “people”

    That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?

    No. Of course not.

    Why not? If the land was promised by an Omnipotent God why hasn’t the promise even come close to being fulfilled in thousands of years? Isn’t it foolish to keep worshipping a God who doesn’t keep his promises?

    Here’s another promise that isn’t fulfilled: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away.

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    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it?
     
    It does these days, unfortunately.

    At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.
     
    We aren't going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn't use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?
     
    Messiah's donkey
    , @Avery
    {That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.}

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy?
    What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?

    The country hasn't attacked anyone in centuries.
    It has been attacked, invaded, interfered with, etc, etc by others.
    It was invaded in WW2 by USSR and UK.
    Its democratically elected government was overthrown by US & UK.
    US sicced Iraq to invade Iran and US & UK (and others) assisted Iraq in its war of aggression against Iran: satellite and other intelligence, chemical weapons given to Iraq which it used against Iran,...Iran lost about 1 million people in the desperate 8 year war.
    Sabotage of its infrastructure and surreptitious attacks on its military, and assassinations of its civilian scientists by US & Israel.
    Shootdown of an Iranian civilian aircraft killing 290 civilians by a crazy USN captain, who had intruded into Iranian territorial waters.
    British patrol boats which intruded into Iranian territorial waters, supposedly by "mistake".
    Two USN patrol boats which intruded into Iranian territorial waters, supposedly because navigational equipment on both boats failed. (right).
    And on, and on, and on,.....


    Whatever actions IRI has taken has been to defend itself, a natural right.

    , @Colin Wright
    '...Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away...'

    It's an arcane point concerning theology I don't believe in either, but technically...

    Look at the birthrates in both Germany and Japan. Cursed or not, at the moment they seem bent on extinguishing themselves.
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  74. krollchem says:
    @Greasy William
    this is America. Speak English.

    America doesn’t have an official language. Try speaking English in certain parishes in Louisiana and in many towns along the Mexican border.

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  75. @hyperbola
    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast. What is needed now is for christians to stop being lackeys of the jews. Even better would be a repetition of Persians and christians joining up to put an end to jewish crimes against humanity.


    The Massacre of Christians at Mamilla Pool, 614 AD
    https://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-massacre-of-christians-at-mamilla.html

    The Massacre of Mamilla Pool near Jerusalem in 614 AD is one of those events about which every critic of the jews needs to know as it provides a brutal blow to the jewish claims of eternal historical victim-hood and oppression by Christians. I have previously commented on it by proxy in regard to Antiochus of Palestine's comments on the jews and the fall of Jerusalem in 614 AD. (1)

    To summarize: the events at Mamilla Pool involve the deliberate genocide of the unarmed and completely innocent Christian population of Jerusalem by jews.....

    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast.

    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.

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    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians
     
    lol......I am sure you wish there were no Persians.

    Hate to deflate you but Persians were in Persia in 8800BC....long before there was any such thing as Jews. ..... Jews didnt exist until 1010 BC.

    You should know more about your enemies.....Iran was known as Persia until 1935, when Reza Shah Pahlavi asked foreign delegates to use the term Iran, the endonym of the country.
    , @hyperbola
    Persians have been around for many millenia. Ethnic groupings in the mideast take very long times to change and the invasion of east european ashkenazi is already looking like a desperate failure.

    Living Descendants of Biblical Canaanites Identified Via DNA
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/

    More than 90 percent of the genetic ancestry of modern Lebanese is derived from ancient Canaanites, according to a paper published today in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

    Researchers supported by The Wellcome Trust were able to sequence the Canaanite genome from the remains of five individuals buried in the ancient port city of Sidon (modern Saïda, Lebanon) around 3,700 years ago. The results were compared against the DNA of 99 modern-day Lebanese residents.

    According to the results, Canaanite ancestry is a mix of indigenous populations who settled the Levant (the region encompassing much of modern Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories) around 10,000 years ago, and migrants who arrived from the east between 6,600 and 3,550 years ago.....
    , @annamaria
    The upstart is unhappy that the historical facts remind about the upstart's historical insignificance as compared to an ancient and noble civilization of Persia
    , @Rabbitnexus
    Actually Persians by any other name would be the same. There is however no such thing as Hebrews. They're extinct and Khazars don't belong in the Middle East.
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  76. @Bliss

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite “people”
     
    That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?

    No. Of course not.
     
    Why not? If the land was promised by an Omnipotent God why hasn’t the promise even come close to being fulfilled in thousands of years? Isn’t it foolish to keep worshipping a God who doesn’t keep his promises?

    Here’s another promise that isn’t fulfilled: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away.

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it?

    It does these days, unfortunately.

    At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.

    We aren’t going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn’t use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?

    Messiah’s donkey

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    We aren’t going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn’t use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.
     
    You must be guy the pulling in crack cocaine through unusual orifices I saw recently.
    , @Bliss

    It does these days, unfortunately.
     
    Germany really looks “cursed” to you? So why are millions of non-germans so eager to go and live there? Most countries would love to be as “cursed” as Germany.

    Secondly, why “unfortunately”? Why don’t you want your god to punish the nation that killed millions of Jews?

    Messiah’s donkey
     
    So where is the Messiah? Who sends his ride ahead of himself?

    Btw, you do know that the jewish concept of Messiah (and the muslim concept of Mahdi) comes from the Persian Zoroastrian Saoshyant, right?
    , @annamaria
    Jews from Israel and the former USSR have been swarming into the "unfortunate" Germany.

    "Tens of Thousands of Jews Leaving Israel for Germany": http://americanfreepress.net/tens-of-thousands-of-jews-leaving-israel-for-germany/
    "A growing exodus of young Israelis to Berlin has not only shocked Israel’s far right leadership but has highlighted the growing disillusionment with Zionism among Israel’s younger generation."

    "Germany Is Moving To End Mass Immigration of Jews From Russia": https://forward.com/news/4029/germany-is-moving-to-end-mass-immigration-of-jews/
    "The mass migration of Jews from the former Soviet Union to Germany likely will come to a swift end with the introduction of a new law drawn up by Germany's 16-state governments. German authorities presented the new restrictions on Jewish immigration..."
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  77. krollchem says:
    @Fatima Manoubia
    More self-help ( may be you could organize a crowfunding to pay for your psichoanalyst? ) to forget that which is at the edge of the civil war is precisely Israel, with which it is the rest of humanity, and not only Russia and China, who will sit and watch, since nobody has any dog in that fight .. ..

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/orientemedio/201808031080926195-la-tension-entre-jaredies-y-liberales-en-israel/

    Don’t get discouraged. Greasy is a Zionist anti-Semitic troll who likes to go fishing at this site. As for “Johnny Rico”, he is a self identifying NAZI per his handle from the anti-Fascist movie “Starship Troopers”

    https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/starship-troopers-fascist-satire-coming-true

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    LOL...thanks for that background Kroll...very useful...

    So our little Johnny Reek-oh imagines himself to resemble Caspar van Dien...

    https://s20.postimg.cc/ulqmn0hjh/Casper_Van_Dien_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg


    whereas he actually looks like this...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/d8gc85eil/hilarious_drawings_11.jpg
    , @Johnny Rico
    Lol. That's not where I got the name. And as far as Starship Troopers goes, I didn't realize Rico was supposed to be a Nazi. I didn't see the movie. In Heinlein's classic book it sure doesn't seem that way.

    But you are an annoying idiot. We've established that much.
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  78. El Dato says:
    @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    TROLL, bad satire, false flag Juice or demented hardcore Rabbi?

    I’m for satire.

    But it’s the Internet! It doesn’t even matter.

    The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    That’s going to be a tough sell. This will probably happen shortly before everyone is Confucean.

    Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them.

    Don’t make it so as if you were psychologically unable to spell JEHOVA.

    Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Ok, who writes “blessed be He”, seriously.

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  79. El Dato says:
    @Greasy William

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it?
     
    It does these days, unfortunately.

    At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.
     
    We aren't going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn't use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?
     
    Messiah's donkey

    We aren’t going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn’t use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.

    You must be guy the pulling in crack cocaine through unusual orifices I saw recently.

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  80. Krollchem says:
    @Greasy William

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses.
     
    1. S-300 can't track an F-35

    2. Israel showed in 2007 that it can effortlessly blind Syrian/Iranian radar if it wants to, it usually just doesn't bother as it stays out of Syrian airspace for political purposes

    3. When Israel does implement the Final Solution to the Iranian Question, it will first infect all of Iranian military and civilian infrastructure with computer viruses that will make Iranian air defense moot

    ...

    Of course, with these anti regime protests wracking Iran, the Mullahs may soon be toppled, making all of this moot. This could potentially delay the annihilation of the Iranian people by decades so hopefully the Mullahs hang on. Certainly we should all pray for them.

    “S-300 can’t track an F-35″

    This is not 2007, and even in the late 1990s the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia used their radar systems to shoot down a US F-117.

    In addition, the s-300s do not track planes their associated radar units do the tracking. It is even worse if the pilot leaves the transponder on:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/website-lets-you-track-f-35-stealth-fighters-26901

    I admit that I am not an expert on radar tracking but would not be surprised if Iran’s radar systems can track the F35 flying paperweight. Would you care to comment on Russian and Chinese UHF based voronezh and Nebo-M radar system capabilities vs the F-35s GaN EW systems.

    It is well known that China is the leader in quantum computing and may have developed quantum radar:

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/chinas-claim-it-has-quantum-radar-may-leave-17-billion-f35-naked/news-story/207ac01ff3107d21a9f36e54b6f0fbab

    Perhaps Andrei Martyanov may have some background information.

    In the end it would be foolish for the US and its allies to start a war with Iran as it is likely to end up with a civilization ending Nuclear Winter.

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  81. FB says:
    @krollchem
    Don't get discouraged. Greasy is a Zionist anti-Semitic troll who likes to go fishing at this site. As for "Johnny Rico", he is a self identifying NAZI per his handle from the anti-Fascist movie “Starship Troopers”

    https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/starship-troopers-fascist-satire-coming-true

    LOL…thanks for that background Kroll…very useful…

    So our little Johnny Reek-oh imagines himself to resemble Caspar van Dien…

    whereas he actually looks like this…

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  82. Avery says:
    @Bliss

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite “people”
     
    That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?

    No. Of course not.
     
    Why not? If the land was promised by an Omnipotent God why hasn’t the promise even come close to being fulfilled in thousands of years? Isn’t it foolish to keep worshipping a God who doesn’t keep his promises?

    Here’s another promise that isn’t fulfilled: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away.

    {That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.}

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy?
    What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?

    The country hasn’t attacked anyone in centuries.
    It has been attacked, invaded, interfered with, etc, etc by others.
    It was invaded in WW2 by USSR and UK.
    Its democratically elected government was overthrown by US & UK.
    US sicced Iraq to invade Iran and US & UK (and others) assisted Iraq in its war of aggression against Iran: satellite and other intelligence, chemical weapons given to Iraq which it used against Iran,…Iran lost about 1 million people in the desperate 8 year war.
    Sabotage of its infrastructure and surreptitious attacks on its military, and assassinations of its civilian scientists by US & Israel.
    Shootdown of an Iranian civilian aircraft killing 290 civilians by a crazy USN captain, who had intruded into Iranian territorial waters.
    British patrol boats which intruded into Iranian territorial waters, supposedly by “mistake”.
    Two USN patrol boats which intruded into Iranian territorial waters, supposedly because navigational equipment on both boats failed. (right).
    And on, and on, and on,…..

    Whatever actions IRI has taken has been to defend itself, a natural right.

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    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons
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  83. @krollchem
    Don't get discouraged. Greasy is a Zionist anti-Semitic troll who likes to go fishing at this site. As for "Johnny Rico", he is a self identifying NAZI per his handle from the anti-Fascist movie “Starship Troopers”

    https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/starship-troopers-fascist-satire-coming-true

    Lol. That’s not where I got the name. And as far as Starship Troopers goes, I didn’t realize Rico was supposed to be a Nazi. I didn’t see the movie. In Heinlein’s classic book it sure doesn’t seem that way.

    But you are an annoying idiot. We’ve established that much.

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    I read the book and saw the movie, the book's much better, but the movie's okay in a campy sort of way.In neither one is Rico any kind of "Nazi". He's a soldier, and of course, to some, any soldier with Pale skin is a "Nazi".
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  84. @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    take your medication

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  85. Bliss says:
    @Avery
    {That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.}

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy?
    What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?

    The country hasn't attacked anyone in centuries.
    It has been attacked, invaded, interfered with, etc, etc by others.
    It was invaded in WW2 by USSR and UK.
    Its democratically elected government was overthrown by US & UK.
    US sicced Iraq to invade Iran and US & UK (and others) assisted Iraq in its war of aggression against Iran: satellite and other intelligence, chemical weapons given to Iraq which it used against Iran,...Iran lost about 1 million people in the desperate 8 year war.
    Sabotage of its infrastructure and surreptitious attacks on its military, and assassinations of its civilian scientists by US & Israel.
    Shootdown of an Iranian civilian aircraft killing 290 civilians by a crazy USN captain, who had intruded into Iranian territorial waters.
    British patrol boats which intruded into Iranian territorial waters, supposedly by "mistake".
    Two USN patrol boats which intruded into Iranian territorial waters, supposedly because navigational equipment on both boats failed. (right).
    And on, and on, and on,.....


    Whatever actions IRI has taken has been to defend itself, a natural right.

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?

    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

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    That's all you have??? That's pathetic. By your standards, if Iran is "crazy," then most countries, certainly the USA, Russia, & China are much crazier
    , @jack daniels
    "It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War. "

    But not crazy to kill them in large numbers?

    War brings out the finest in sophisticated ethical reasoning! Thank the Big Bang that America is secular enough not to sacrifice innocent young lives to the god of war.
    , @jack daniels
    Now for a more serious reply: Many people take for granted that theocracies are irrational since they view religion as irrational. However, no major religion justifies wars of national suicide, on one hand, or wars of conquest, on the other. Secular ideologies do, however. Just look at our neoconservatives. The utilitarian moral doctrine that dominates western ethics justifies any horror whatsoever if the resulting good outweighs the bad, taken over the long run. This allows one to construct a rationale for death camps, gulags, and pre-emptive wars.
    Nuclear weapons are defensive weapons. Once a country possesses them, it can no longer be attacked with impunity. THAT is why American neocons are so upset at the prospect of Islamic countries having them. We have made public our intention to overthrow the governments of every country in the region unfriendly to Israel, and fear that they might be able to put up a resistance. Imagine that!
    , @jilles dykstra
    Saddam, as USA puppet, failed to subjugate Iran.
    Alan Friedman, ‘Spider’s Web, Bush, Saddam, Thatcher and the Decade of Deceit’, London, 1993
    Iran is now, hopefully with Syria, the only ME state not under the USA/Israeli yoke.
    The west twice, 1911 and 1953, overthrew Iranian democracy, I do not think they will let it happen a third time.
    W. Morgan Shuster, ´The strangling of Persia, Story of the European diplomacy and oriental intrigue that resulted in the denationalisation of twelve million Mohammedans’, New York, 1912
    Roy Mottahedeh, ‘The Mantle of the Prophet, Religion and Politics in Iran’, Oxford, 1985, 2000
    , @UncommonGround

    More here: http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/co
     
    Künzel had been a communist militant of the far left. The events of 1989 must have been a shock for him and he must have understood that he had no future. Imagine yourself after 1989 having studied political sciences or history and having a far left background at that time. You had nothing at all, it must have been a hard situation for those people, I imagine. So, it seems that he sought someone who could support him, give him some perspectives. He became then a member of the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism (SICSA) of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem He has now some very original views. Single handedly he seems to have discovered that Arabs are Nazis (or like Nazis), or something like that, I don't know exactly. Above everything he fights antisemtism and antiisraelism which he discovers everywhere, mostly in Arab countries even if he doesn't speak Arabian, but he has a special nose for such things. He detects antisemitism in Arab countries very easily (with the nose, as he apparently doesn't speak Arabian). He also became a rabid antiiranist. Already years ago a specialist demolished his views, Alexander Flores, and since them a few other experts have criticised him very strongly. Even critical Jews have laughed about him (in the web site arendt-art). On the other hand he has been able to publish articles in newspapers like: in The Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, The New Republic, Policy Review and Telos and has the support of people like Henryk Broder. (see wikipedia article in German about him).
    , @annamaria
    Was not it "crazy and criminal" to do the nuclear bombing of two Japanese cities populated by the innocent civilians including thousands and thousands of children? The bombing of Dresden? https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/02/13/73rd-anniversary-of-bombing-of-dresden-worst-war-crime-of-20th-century/
    How about certain Madeleine Albright (of Jewish descent) who firmly believes that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq's non existent WMD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
    And how do you, "Bliss," like the murder of thousands and thousands of children in Libya and Syria by the ziocon-inspired & paid mercenaries?
    Moreover, Israel looks really bad for its bombing and shooting the children and teens in the Gaza Ghetto (rhymes with Warsaw Ghetto).
    , @Avery
    {It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War}

    Oh, I don't know.
    Number one: the youth _volunteered_ to help save their country from a well armed invader, not shy about using chemical weapons against Iranians.
    Number two: no more crazy than a large group of Orthodox Jews celebrating the killing of a Palestinian baby by repeatedly, joyfully stabbing its picture.
    How about it?

    {It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.}

    You guys keep repeating this lie over and over again.
    Iran leadership has not threatened to, quote , 'annihilate' Israel*.

    [In the words of Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister: "They are the leaders of Iran who called for a new Holocaust and who vowed to wipe Israel off the map."] (a lie)

    [Al Jazeera's Teymoor Nabili talks to Dan Meridor, Israel's minister of intelligence and atomic energy and deputy prime minister, about this and questions him over Israeli politicians' claims that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, said Iran would 'wipe Israel out'.]

    ["They [Iranian leaders] all come basically ideologically, religiously with the statement that Israel is an unnatural creature, it will not survive," Meridor says. "They didn't say 'we'll wipe it out', you are right, but 'it will not survive, it is a cancerous tumour, it should be removed'. They repeatedly said 'Israel is not legitimate, it should not exist'."]

    Yeah, true, hostile words, but nowhere near the menacing words “wiped off the map” or "annihilate". And no more hostile than McCain singing "....Bomb, bomb, bomb,....bomb,bomb Iran....la,la,la......"
    or
    Candidate Hillary Clinton promising to "obliterate Iran" if Iran were to attack Israel.

    {....over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.}

    Don't Jews celebrate Purim?
    Something that supposedly happened about 1,500 years ago?
    Am I wrong?

    __________________
    *
    https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/04/2012413151613293582.html

    , @Avery
    ......aaaaaaand one for the road:

    [By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem2:25PM GMT 29 Feb 2008
    A senior Israeli politician provoked controversy today when he warned that Palestinians firing rockets from Gaza would be punished with a "bigger holocaust" from Israeli armed forces.
    The use of the Hebrew word for holocaust, "shoah", tends to be used exclusively in Israel to describe the Nazi persecution of Jews. ]

    So, a senior Israeli politician threatens to commit genocide** against Palestinians for firing some ineffectual rockets at Israel which rarely kill anyone, and if they do, the numbers are quite small. [From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and at least 11 Palestinians] (Wiki).

    Which party would you say is the crazier one?
    __________________________
    *
    [Israeli minister vows Palestinian 'holocaust']
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1580339/Israeli-minister-vows-Palestinian-holocaust.html

    ** Holocaust(shoah)=genocide.
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  86. Bliss says:
    @Greasy William

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it?
     
    It does these days, unfortunately.

    At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.
     
    We aren't going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn't use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?
     
    Messiah's donkey

    It does these days, unfortunately.

    Germany really looks “cursed” to you? So why are millions of non-germans so eager to go and live there? Most countries would love to be as “cursed” as Germany.

    Secondly, why “unfortunately”? Why don’t you want your god to punish the nation that killed millions of Jews?

    Messiah’s donkey

    So where is the Messiah? Who sends his ride ahead of himself?

    Btw, you do know that the jewish concept of Messiah (and the muslim concept of Mahdi) comes from the Persian Zoroastrian Saoshyant, right?

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    So where is the Messiah? Who sends his ride ahead of himself?
     
    Figure of speech. The secular are like sandpaper, we will use them until they no longer have value to us and then discard them. Their time will come, but it isn't up yet.

    Btw, you do know that the jewish concept of Messiah (and the muslim concept of Mahdi) comes from the Persian Zoroastrian Saoshyant, right?
     
    Okay, first of all, how dare you compare real religions like Islam and Judaism to a barbaric, joke religion like Zoroastrianism.

    2nd of all, people always say that Judaism borrowed this or that from the faiths of neighboring peoples. I have never seen any proof though, just theories. Our documentation of the ancient world is very poor and involves a great deal of guesswork.

    ...

    Mosiach should come in the next 100 years or so. After he comes there will be no more war, so we need to kill all the Iranians before he gets here because then it will be too late.

    ...

    p.s.: are you black? What do you think about Latinos?
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  87. Miro23 says:

    There’s a lot of fragility in the current arrangement:

    - A world financial system overloaded with debt and derivatives.

    - A stressed Saudi Arabian regime allied with Israel (but with a largish Shia minority in its oil producing regions.

    - Oil supply through the narrow Straits of Hormuz.

    - Traditional partners alienated by the unilateral US exit from the JCPA Iran nuclear deal + disregard for the UN + threatened sanctions.

    - Public awareness of the Iraq WMD trick.

    - An overstretched US military unwilling to take casualties.

    - A US president becoming daily more illegitimate with regard to his election promises.

    As the saying goes, “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones” (“If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out”).

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  88. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    That’s all you have??? That’s pathetic. By your standards, if Iran is “crazy,” then most countries, certainly the USA, Russia, & China are much crazier

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  89. It’s clear that a smaller, weaker country’s best defensive asset is the unwillingness of a rich, entitled aggressor to take casualties and sustain damage. The primary retaliation might well be to ensure that US allies suffer unacceptable damage. If the Samson Option makes sense for Israel it makes even more sense for Iran. However it is probably best not to put Trump in a position of having to make good on his threat. I continue to think he would prefer not to start fresh wars but is under heavy pressure from neocons which he tries to relieve by making colorful threats. It is ironic to hear our domestic liberals complaining that Trump thunders like Hitler but doesn’t follow up like Hitler!

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  90. Someone says:

    Iran has the only Islamic bureaucracy in the world and the only country run on Sharia- the true sharia and not the joke that the Sunni Sharia based societies are like the Taliban or the Saudis or the ISIS….

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    Except Iran is not really Islamic. Any faith which includes as an important aspect of its dogma, a hyper-veneration of a man or men, cannot be truly Islamic.

    The real joke is on your delusional kind, those considering the polytheist Shi'sm, as Islamic... as true sharia.

    Now, say a few "hail Ali's" and crawl back into your polytheist cesspool.
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  91. @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    “It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War. ”

    But not crazy to kill them in large numbers?

    War brings out the finest in sophisticated ethical reasoning! Thank the Big Bang that America is secular enough not to sacrifice innocent young lives to the god of war.

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    14 year old boys only became children about 1920 in the USA, later in parts of the world.
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  92. @Greasy William

    Israel, the other main ally of the US, would have to fly through Saudi Arabia to attack Iran and given the Iran air defenses they would suffer serious losses.
     
    1. S-300 can't track an F-35

    2. Israel showed in 2007 that it can effortlessly blind Syrian/Iranian radar if it wants to, it usually just doesn't bother as it stays out of Syrian airspace for political purposes

    3. When Israel does implement the Final Solution to the Iranian Question, it will first infect all of Iranian military and civilian infrastructure with computer viruses that will make Iranian air defense moot

    ...

    Of course, with these anti regime protests wracking Iran, the Mullahs may soon be toppled, making all of this moot. This could potentially delay the annihilation of the Iranian people by decades so hopefully the Mullahs hang on. Certainly we should all pray for them.

    The hate-filled, Zio-cyclops cheerleading captain has made another heartfelt prediction.

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    LOL and spot on :-D
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  93. @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    Now for a more serious reply: Many people take for granted that theocracies are irrational since they view religion as irrational. However, no major religion justifies wars of national suicide, on one hand, or wars of conquest, on the other. Secular ideologies do, however. Just look at our neoconservatives. The utilitarian moral doctrine that dominates western ethics justifies any horror whatsoever if the resulting good outweighs the bad, taken over the long run. This allows one to construct a rationale for death camps, gulags, and pre-emptive wars.
    Nuclear weapons are defensive weapons. Once a country possesses them, it can no longer be attacked with impunity. THAT is why American neocons are so upset at the prospect of Islamic countries having them. We have made public our intention to overthrow the governments of every country in the region unfriendly to Israel, and fear that they might be able to put up a resistance. Imagine that!

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  94. SSL says:

    Why dosn’t anyone explain what happens when a nucluar bomb is use to hit a underground target? It vaporizises hundreds of millions of ton of earth and debri. All this fallout will be highly radioactive, and while most will be heavy and fall in the first hundred mile of the site, some will countinue. Going around the world many times. Americans are insane!

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  95. What I do not read in the article is that Iran has been building deep in its rocky surface nobody knows what, except that it is resistant to both atomic and hydrogen bombs.
    Anyone can know that Iranian missiles can reach Israel.
    In case of an attack they will be fired from these deep shelters.
    Then there is the interesting possibility that Iran since 2005 has operational atomic bombs, it has been assrted that in 1990 90 disappeared from the Ukraine, and that it took Iran fifteen years to open the locks.
    I often wonder is the Iranian leaders would welcome an atomic attack, the excuse to wipe tiny Israel literally from the map.
    Some 45% of the oil for the west passes through the Hormuz Strait, here the assertion is that Iran has Chinese Silkworm anti ship missiles, in deep caves or so, there is no defence against Silkworm missiles, they fly at wavetop height at Mach 4 or so.
    At Hormuz there is a very narrow deep water passage, sinking one or two tankers is said to be enough to block the passage.
    So indeed, it may be possible to kill the larger part of the Iranian population, at the same time it may, in my opinion, be suicide for Israel, and it will put Europe’s industries and transport out action, to a large extent.
    Then there are the political consequences, what will Russia and China do, and, what will Muslims all over the world do ?
    Will any USA citizen be safe anywhere outside the USA ?
    Possibly any European, if NATO again defends US.

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  96. @Den Lille Abe
    from another thread, same subject:
    All said US lost 1737 aircraft in the Vietnam war, to hostile action and a further 500 in accidents, approximately 58 000 KIA.
    Yes , i understand Vietnam is not Iran (Iran is not a rice paddy), but the US is not the same either, now it is a "professional" defense force, whose Navy rams defenseless civilian ships (or cant perform at all) , whose Air force planes keep falling from the sky and whose Army are best moving down civilians.
    Of course Iran would loose such a war, no doubt, but can the US sustain the losses, can public opinion ? Say 15 000 bodybags ? 25 000 ? 50 000?
    I doubt the US can even put 100 000 soldiers on the ground, combat soldiers, that is, not 3'rd echelon cooks and chauffeurs, very few armies can. Iran has got at least 5 000 000 trained people with ammo and a AK 47 or RPG eager to put a dent in the US. (China has between 15 - 40 Million they can draw from). Forget it, the Iranians can simply "trample" the US to death, at least until the US runs out of body bags.
    And consider if the US starts a war, we don't have to trade with it anymore, its under sanction, goodbye "Rare metals" (China), goodbye computer chips (China) goodbye everything, because the US cant produce anything (No factories) and has few resources left, hehe.
    Sanction the American people to a dose of "concentration camp", 900 calories a day, candle light, and horse drawn transportion! The Morgentau plan is fulfilled ! I will bathe in Champagne, wash my cojones in Budweiser when that happens. And Israel ? What Israel ? You mean Palestine ? ahhhh :) I will feed a bagel to the ducks!
    And no, i don't think it will be necessary to learn either Russian or Chinese, I think we might get along well enough.

    What worries is me is that our elite of “chicken-hawks” would not hesitate to sacrifice large numbers of white blue-collar lives to win a war. Accordingly the best deterrent to US aggression would be a credible threat to take out French restaurants, gay discos, art theaters, and Ivy League universities. The US would rather sacrifice the whole state of Texas than see the destruction of Harvard Law. Maybe the Ayatollahs need to make clear that they are aware of our priorities.

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  97. @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    Saddam, as USA puppet, failed to subjugate Iran.
    Alan Friedman, ‘Spider’s Web, Bush, Saddam, Thatcher and the Decade of Deceit’, London, 1993
    Iran is now, hopefully with Syria, the only ME state not under the USA/Israeli yoke.
    The west twice, 1911 and 1953, overthrew Iranian democracy, I do not think they will let it happen a third time.
    W. Morgan Shuster, ´The strangling of Persia, Story of the European diplomacy and oriental intrigue that resulted in the denationalisation of twelve million Mohammedans’, New York, 1912
    Roy Mottahedeh, ‘The Mantle of the Prophet, Religion and Politics in Iran’, Oxford, 1985, 2000

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  98. renfro says:
    @Quartermaster
    I don't recall a nuke submarine ever entering the Persian Gulf. It's much too shallow. Much of the gulf is too shallow for any kind of submarine ops.

    The Kilo class has been subject to development for many years and is a very formidable conventional sub. Subs with air independent propulsion are even more so. The Swedes loaned a, AIP sub to the US Navy and the rather formidable ASW talents of the US Navy never was able to sink it in exercises, much less find it. Nukes have just recently entered that sort of quietude, with the best nukes blending into the background noise of the ocean.

    Having said that, The Sub is the next capital ship and will make carrier ops a thing of the past as long as the subs exist as an effective fighting force.

    I seriously doubt the US will attack Iran. The day where an attack would be able to effectively end the Iranian nuke program is long past.

    No, the Iranians did not stick to what the US citizenry were told about the nuke agreement. The Iranians were working with the North Koreans on both nukes and missiles. Anyone seriously thinking that Obama's agreement with the Iranians put an end to their nuke program isn't playing with a full deck. It is, in fact, the reason Trump pulled the US out.

    The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of “ownership” is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded.
     
    Like so much of what Saker writes, this is risible. The Neocons no more "own" Trump than anyone can own a wild Tiger. Trump is not just someone they hate. He is their sworn enemy, and they know that he is a threat to all their foolishness they have been pulling for the last 50 years or more.

    Evangelical Christians were the loudest about moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Evangelicals and Neocons are not, and never have been, on good terms. If the only people wanting the embassy moved were Neocons, the Embassy would still be in Tel Aviv. The Neocons kept putting off the move and I seriously doubt they would ever have moved it.

    You are seriously deluded about Trump.
    Suggest you look around for another hero.

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  99. renfro says:
    @FB

    '...Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America’s most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined...'
     
    That's an interesting point...Here is part of what Major General Qassim Soleimani said after that all-caps tweet threat by Trump...

    '...We are near you where you can’t even imagine...'
     
    I found that puzzling...but your mention of cyberwar and civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to...

    Incidentally he also said this...

    'You threaten us with an action that is ‘unprecedented’ in the world. This is cabaret-style rhetoric. Only a cabaret owner talks to the world this way.

    What was it that you could do over the past 20 years but you didn’t? You came to Afghanistan with score of tanks and personnel carriers and hundreds of advanced helicopters and committed crimes there. What the hell could you do between 2001 and 2018 with 110,000 troops? You are today begging Taliban for Talks.

    Afghanistan was a poor country, what the hell could you do in this country that you are currently threatening us?

    You arrogantly attacked Iraq with 160,000 troops and multiple times (military equipment) compared to what you used in Afghanistan. But what happened? Ask your then commander who was the person that he sent to me and asked ‘Is it possible for you to give us time and use your influence so that our soldiers will not be attacked by the Iraqi fighters in these few months until we exit the country?’

    Have you forgotten that you provide adult diapers for your soldiers in the tanks? Despite that you are currently threatening the great country of Iran? With what background to you threaten us?'
     
    Ouch...this guy is a tough cookie...not sure how eager US generals are to dance with this guy...

    https://s20.postimg.cc/fkja8li7h/HAS68452342.jpg

    The US can’t defeat Iran without putting boots on the ground after a bombing campaign .
    And when and if that happens Iran will become like Afghanistan….a country where other countries go to die.

    We are now 15 years into Afghanistan and adding more troops. We are now 5.6 Trillion in the hole for our wars on Iraq, Afghan and Syria.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/03/10/amid-little-scrutiny-us-military-ramps-up-in-afghanistan/

    ”When Trump announced in August that he was ordering a new approach to the war, he said he realized “the American people are weary of war without victory.” He said his instinct was to pull out, but that after consulting with aides, he decided to seek “an honorable and enduring outcome.” He said that meant committing more resources to the war, giving commanders in the field more authority and staying in Afghanistan for as long as it takes.”

    Our craven politicians need to be jerked from their offices and lynched in the public square….and if it was televised it would get the highest show ratings of any show in history.

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  100. renfro says:
    @Greasy William

    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast.
     
    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.

    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians

    lol……I am sure you wish there were no Persians.

    Hate to deflate you but Persians were in Persia in 8800BC….long before there was any such thing as Jews. ….. Jews didnt exist until 1010 BC.

    You should know more about your enemies…..Iran was known as Persia until 1935, when Reza Shah Pahlavi asked foreign delegates to use the term Iran, the endonym of the country.

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    Nobody in Iran calls themselves Persian except for Iranians Jews and ultra secular Iranians.

    Iran's population is only 61% Persian. The Supreme Leader, Khamenei, is Azeri. You are trying to create discord between Iranians.
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  101. Sean says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Van_Riper

    A decade and a half ago, Van Riper did rather too well as Red team commander in the opening stages of an exercise obviously based on war with Iran.

    https://warontherocks.com/2015/11/millennium-challenge-the-real-story-of-a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/

    His initial attack sounds a bit like The New Yorker article on Artificial intelligence

    … program from 1981, called Eurisko in naval role-playing game. After playing ten thousand matches, it arrived at a morally grotesque strategy: to field thousands of small, immobile ships, the vast majority of which were intended as cannon fodder. In a national tournament, Eurisko demolished its human opponents, who insisted that the game’s rules be changed. The following year, Eurisko won again—by forcing its damaged ships to sink themselves.

    There might be a low tech way to inflict heavy casualties with human waves, if the US fleet come close and the Iranians have enough trained SEAL types willing to die, but they would need an awful lot of them. I don’t doubt that Iranians would fight hard to on their own soil but piloting a plane or boat on a suicide mission out in the Gulf is something else. And mass suicide tactics are probably unrealistic, especially as the US would declare a total exclusion zone, use stand off missiles, and try to lure the Iranians out to international sea and airspace maybe even by a feigned withdrawal.

    Trump is just pressurizing Iran like he pressurized North Korea. Pity.

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  102. @renfro

    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians
     
    lol......I am sure you wish there were no Persians.

    Hate to deflate you but Persians were in Persia in 8800BC....long before there was any such thing as Jews. ..... Jews didnt exist until 1010 BC.

    You should know more about your enemies.....Iran was known as Persia until 1935, when Reza Shah Pahlavi asked foreign delegates to use the term Iran, the endonym of the country.

    Nobody in Iran calls themselves Persian except for Iranians Jews and ultra secular Iranians.

    Iran’s population is only 61% Persian. The Supreme Leader, Khamenei, is Azeri. You are trying to create discord between Iranians.

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    Strange first you post there are no Persians, and now you post well except for the 61% who are,you sounds like the fellow who said if you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit,,,
    , @Anon
    The ones in S California of whatever ethnicity or religion all call themselves Persians.
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  103. @Bliss

    It does these days, unfortunately.
     
    Germany really looks “cursed” to you? So why are millions of non-germans so eager to go and live there? Most countries would love to be as “cursed” as Germany.

    Secondly, why “unfortunately”? Why don’t you want your god to punish the nation that killed millions of Jews?

    Messiah’s donkey
     
    So where is the Messiah? Who sends his ride ahead of himself?

    Btw, you do know that the jewish concept of Messiah (and the muslim concept of Mahdi) comes from the Persian Zoroastrian Saoshyant, right?

    So where is the Messiah? Who sends his ride ahead of himself?

    Figure of speech. The secular are like sandpaper, we will use them until they no longer have value to us and then discard them. Their time will come, but it isn’t up yet.

    Btw, you do know that the jewish concept of Messiah (and the muslim concept of Mahdi) comes from the Persian Zoroastrian Saoshyant, right?

    Okay, first of all, how dare you compare real religions like Islam and Judaism to a barbaric, joke religion like Zoroastrianism.

    2nd of all, people always say that Judaism borrowed this or that from the faiths of neighboring peoples. I have never seen any proof though, just theories. Our documentation of the ancient world is very poor and involves a great deal of guesswork.

    Mosiach should come in the next 100 years or so. After he comes there will be no more war, so we need to kill all the Iranians before he gets here because then it will be too late.

    p.s.: are you black? What do you think about Latinos?

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    joke religion like Zoroastrianism.
     
    Not that I really wish to agree with the greasy Greasy William, but there is surely something really deranged about those Parsis.

    http://anomalyinfo.com/Stories/2003-january-19-tower-silence
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  104. Deschutes says:
    @Jesse James
    The hate-filled, Zio-cyclops cheerleading captain has made another heartfelt prediction.

    LOL and spot on :-D

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  105. bluedog says:
    @Greasy William
    Nobody in Iran calls themselves Persian except for Iranians Jews and ultra secular Iranians.

    Iran's population is only 61% Persian. The Supreme Leader, Khamenei, is Azeri. You are trying to create discord between Iranians.

    Strange first you post there are no Persians, and now you post well except for the 61% who are,you sounds like the fellow who said if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit,,,

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  106. Miggle says:
    @Bliss

    Understanding the AZW’s goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel’s borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians
     
    Wow. Crazy if true.

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?

    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?

    Look more carefully at real history and not the fanciful racist story of the Arabs being the descendants of a single man, Ishmael, though it is just as true as the fanciful story that all humans including you and me are the descendants of a single man, Noah. A look at the real history and you will know that Arab does not mean Arabian.

    [MORE]

    Caliph Omar riding his camel into Christian Jerusalem when it surrendered didn’t want the locals to convert to Islam. That would have devastated his tax revenue. He expressed himself respectful of the local religious traditions, Christian and Jewish. He certainly didn’t want Arabian settlers rushing in.

    Similarly when Christian Damascus became Umayyad Damascus. These were very gentle takeovers, once the battles had been won. And in neither case were they battles with the locals, but with the Byzantine emperor’s forces.

    But the locals, the Arameans in Damascus and the Hebrews in Palestine, themselves chose to convert, a few initially, more and more in every generation. That always happened everywhere, throughout history. If the ruling elite were of a particular religion and culture the ambitious of every generation wanted to join that religion and culture.

    Shlomo Sand in “The Invention of the Land of Israel” writes of Saadia Gaon, a or the leading rabbi of the tenth century, who lamented on record the rate at which the Jews of Palestine were converting to Islam. More than a thousand years ago. Voluntarily. Because they wanted to. To join the elite.

    And that means in this context, wanting to become part of the elite culture meant calling themselves Arabs. That is on record for the Damascenes at least, and it would have been the same for the Hebrews. They were all closely-related peoples, all originally speakers of closely-related Semitic languages, so it was very natural.

    I have taken most of that including the Damascenes choosing to be called Arabs from “Damascus: A History” by Ross Burns.

    One distinguished historian, Steven Runciman, in his book “The First Crusade” (which goes into the background to the First Crusade), writes:

    Within a century of the conquest Syria and Palestine were predominantly Moslem countries. The growth of Islam was not due to a sudden influx of Arabs from the desert. The pure Arabs formed little more than a military caste. The racial composition of the provinces was barely changed. The inhabitants, whether they adopted Islam or remained Christian, soon adopted the Arabic tongue for all general purposes; and we now loosely call their descendants Arabs.

    That “remained Christian” does not relate to an earlier expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine in AD 70 or after. There was no such “second Exile”, as Shlomo Sand has demonstrated in “The Invention of the Jewish People”. In Christian Palestine many were Christian because of an earlier era when a different religious elite had taken over and the ambitious of every generation wanted to join the elite.

    The Caliph Omar rode his camel into Christian Jerusalem in February 638. Runciman writes of the Persian invasion a couple of decades earlier:

    The invaders occupied Antioch in 611 and Damascus in 613. Only at Jerusalem, a centre of Orthodoxy, did they meet with opposition; but, with the help of Jews within the walls, the holy city was stormed in April 614. There followed a terrible massacre of Christians; and the holiest relics of Christendom … were carried off …

    Supposedly there was an expulsion of Jews from Jerusalem, not Palestine, only Jerusalem, in AD 70 or thereabouts, but by 614 they were back in Jerusalem, “within the walls”. It is their descendants, the descendants of the Judeans and Israelites of Palestine, the still unconverted remainder of them three centuries later, whose ongoing conversions were lamented by Saadia Gaon. It is the Judeans and Israelites of Palestine that we today call Palestinian Arabs.

    So, to whom was the Promised Land supposedly promised? To today’s Palestinian Arabs.

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  107. @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    More here: http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/co

    Künzel had been a communist militant of the far left. The events of 1989 must have been a shock for him and he must have understood that he had no future. Imagine yourself after 1989 having studied political sciences or history and having a far left background at that time. You had nothing at all, it must have been a hard situation for those people, I imagine. So, it seems that he sought someone who could support him, give him some perspectives. He became then a member of the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism (SICSA) of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem He has now some very original views. Single handedly he seems to have discovered that Arabs are Nazis (or like Nazis), or something like that, I don’t know exactly. Above everything he fights antisemtism and antiisraelism which he discovers everywhere, mostly in Arab countries even if he doesn’t speak Arabian, but he has a special nose for such things. He detects antisemitism in Arab countries very easily (with the nose, as he apparently doesn’t speak Arabian). He also became a rabid antiiranist. Already years ago a specialist demolished his views, Alexander Flores, and since them a few other experts have criticised him very strongly. Even critical Jews have laughed about him (in the web site arendt-art). On the other hand he has been able to publish articles in newspapers like: in The Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, The New Republic, Policy Review and Telos and has the support of people like Henryk Broder. (see wikipedia article in German about him).

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    Are all communists Jews, or all Jews communists?
    , @Anon
    He sounds like former CPUSA liason to the Oakland Black Panthers, ancient commie David Horowitz now the Israeli lobbyist who runs the front page magazine web site
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  108. APilgrim says:

    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 – January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

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    Nuclear winter in exchange for some people who understood the perils of working at Embassy when they swore in-I worked briefly in an Embassy in the USIA division.

    Good exchange.

    Not that I don't believe in defending borders. I've been face-to-face with cholo scum in Phoenix.

    But a nuclear winter?
    , @Z-man
    The World owes Izrael a massive nuclear attack, so there!
    , @Art
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.


    APilgrim - You are a stupid mad bad human. You are the worst that humanity has to offer. Art
    , @annamaria
    "The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979. November 4, 1979. ... Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran..."
    --- Actually, if you insist on the eye for an eye, the US should first bomb the Jewish State for the despicable murderous attack on USS Liberty in 1967: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/06/08/israeli-attack-uss-liberty-paul-craig-roberts/
    "The attackers killed 34 Americans and wounded over 170 out of 294 crewmembers."
    -- Should we issue a battle cry "Death to Israelis" for the premeditated murder of American servicemen and initiate a thermonuclear attack on the amoral midget-state of ridiculous supremacists?
    , @anonymous
    Mr.A Pilgrim, all you evangelicals will get your own thermonuclear roasting soon enough. Soon. Soon.
    , @renfro

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.
     
    Really?....great!... in honor of your support we'll buckle you onto the first nuke to Tehran and send you on your way.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    You are an idiot.
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  109. Mike P says:
    @FB
    Absolutely agree E...

    I think we've had this discussion before...I lived through the Northeast blackout of 2003...my town had zero electricity for three days...it was impossible to put gas in your car because the pumps obviously weren't working...the food stores immediately shut down and threw out all their perishables because their refrigeration was out...

    About two days in, they started letting people in single file, one by one...but just into the checkout area, the actual store and shelf area was blocked off...at the checkout area they would hand you a box of corn flakes, some bottled water etc...there was no payment requested because their cash registers weren't working...

    Convenience stores were good for chips and water etc...and they were taking cash and writing it down with pencil and paper on a notepad [probably for tax purposes]...

    I remember thinking the world had come to an end...if this went on for 30 days I honestly don't know how life as we know it would even exist...even within a week people would start to get really hungry and you would have violent smash and grab of any store that had cans of food...what about water...?...without electricity there was no water in your tap...also no toilet because no water to flush...

    Folks in the country who had their own well PLUS your own generator to run the well pump would be better off, obviously...if you had a few chickens for eggs, a wood burning stove, a goat for milk etc....you could hunker down and at least survive for some time...until your chicken scratch and goat feed ran out...or until hordes from town who had none of that started roving the countryside with rifles and taking whatever they could...

    People don't understand these simple facts...our society is so incredibly vulnerable that it's not even funny...ironically, for all our supposedly high IQ [which we read about here 24/7]...it would be those supposedly low IQ people in rural Africa who would survive just fine, since they don't have any of that to begin with...

    Amen to that. Soleimani hinted at exactly this scenario, I think, when he said recently “we are near you, where you can’t even imagine … “

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  110. Moi says:
    @Alberto
    ... and Russia would agree with this course of events?

    Trust not Putin–Russia will be looking out for its own interests, and confrontation with the US is not one of them.

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    Russia does not have a choice but to help Iran to repel the Israel-guided bully, in order to protect her people from the peril of fanatical Islam.
    The Jewish Lobby has been a parasitoid on the hapless US. Parasitoids always kill their hosts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovo_T0KqdYg
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  111. Moi says:
    @FB

    '...Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America’s most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined...'
     
    That's an interesting point...Here is part of what Major General Qassim Soleimani said after that all-caps tweet threat by Trump...

    '...We are near you where you can’t even imagine...'
     
    I found that puzzling...but your mention of cyberwar and civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding to...

    Incidentally he also said this...

    'You threaten us with an action that is ‘unprecedented’ in the world. This is cabaret-style rhetoric. Only a cabaret owner talks to the world this way.

    What was it that you could do over the past 20 years but you didn’t? You came to Afghanistan with score of tanks and personnel carriers and hundreds of advanced helicopters and committed crimes there. What the hell could you do between 2001 and 2018 with 110,000 troops? You are today begging Taliban for Talks.

    Afghanistan was a poor country, what the hell could you do in this country that you are currently threatening us?

    You arrogantly attacked Iraq with 160,000 troops and multiple times (military equipment) compared to what you used in Afghanistan. But what happened? Ask your then commander who was the person that he sent to me and asked ‘Is it possible for you to give us time and use your influence so that our soldiers will not be attacked by the Iraqi fighters in these few months until we exit the country?’

    Have you forgotten that you provide adult diapers for your soldiers in the tanks? Despite that you are currently threatening the great country of Iran? With what background to you threaten us?'
     
    Ouch...this guy is a tough cookie...not sure how eager US generals are to dance with this guy...

    https://s20.postimg.cc/fkja8li7h/HAS68452342.jpg

    If the nut-jobs who run the US were to read Iranian history, they’d forget about attacking Iran, which has been around for about 5K years.

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    1. 4000 years, not 5000
    2. 4000 years of being gay is nothing to brag about
    3. Lost to the Greeks, lost to Alexander (after cowardly trying to surrender), lost to the Romans 2x and the Byzantines 2x, lost to the Arabs, lost to the Mongols, effortlessly conquered by the UK and Soviet Union during WWII (cowardly Iranians didn't even put up a fight), couldn't beat Saddam even with Israeli help, don't respond to the murders of their scientists and officers by Israel because they know that the Jews are too strong for them.

    conclusion: Iranians = homos
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  112. Miggle says:

    Perhaps as part of its preparation for invasion Iran needs with Syria’s help to ensure that Hezbollah is supplied with new weapons. There have been several Israeli air attacks to prevent weapon convoys from passing into Lebanon. Iran and Syria could put an effort into the air defenses of each convoy.

    This is not 1967. My impression is that today, the “civil war” won, Syria’s army, larger, and battle-hardened, could easily overpower the army that’s only practised at firing dumdum bullets at unarmed civilians.

    I thought Avigdor Lieberman’s recent words about peaceful relations with Assad sounded timorous, that he knows Israel lost. And Israel has fled from Hezbollah in the past.

    So, if the USA or Israel attacked Iran, Iran’s allies would quickly recover the Golan Heights and the Shebaa Farms, and there would be simultaneous uprisings of the captive people of Palestine when the IDF was already overwhelmed.

    So there’s a good chance that if Trump unleashes attacks on Iran, at that time Israel will cease to exist and so there will no longer be any need to attack Iran. So, with luck, Israel no longer in existence, Trump would end his war with Iran.

    Israel might not cease to exist without finally destroying half the world with its nuclear weapons. Israel needs to be made aware that that would be seen by history, and by the people of the world, as the Jewish legacy. We would soon see American courts sending Jews to prison for not wearing the star of David.

    But if they restrain themselves on that front and simply surrender, there might be surprising mercy, and peace.

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    "Israel might not cease to exist without finally destroying half the world with its nuclear weapons. Israel needs to be made aware that that would be seen by history, and by the people of the world, as the Jewish legacy. We would soon see American courts sending Jews to prison for not wearing the star of David."
    -- Your prediction sounds true, unfortunately.
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  113. @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    Nuclear winter in exchange for some people who understood the perils of working at Embassy when they swore in-I worked briefly in an Embassy in the USIA division.

    Good exchange.

    Not that I don’t believe in defending borders. I’ve been face-to-face with cholo scum in Phoenix.

    But a nuclear winter?

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  114. @Moi
    If the nut-jobs who run the US were to read Iranian history, they'd forget about attacking Iran, which has been around for about 5K years.

    1. 4000 years, not 5000
    2. 4000 years of being gay is nothing to brag about
    3. Lost to the Greeks, lost to Alexander (after cowardly trying to surrender), lost to the Romans 2x and the Byzantines 2x, lost to the Arabs, lost to the Mongols, effortlessly conquered by the UK and Soviet Union during WWII (cowardly Iranians didn’t even put up a fight), couldn’t beat Saddam even with Israeli help, don’t respond to the murders of their scientists and officers by Israel because they know that the Jews are too strong for them.

    conclusion: Iranians = homos

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    Lets see now, Israel has existed since 1948, thats 70 years. Previously Israel only existed for say a hundred years at most, a couple of times, before someone else came along and conquered them. All the big boys in the region, at some point or other, ruled over Israel's ass.

    Even Persia conquered Palestine, the Jews never ever conquered Persia. Persia had an empire, several times, all the Jews got is some BS in a bible. So Persia has at least been something in the past.

    Israelis have always been = featherweight bantam roosters
    , @Moi
    Could be they are homos, but in that case the Yisraelis are trannie :-(

    PS: 4k years and they are still very much around....

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  115. Rich says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Lol. That's not where I got the name. And as far as Starship Troopers goes, I didn't realize Rico was supposed to be a Nazi. I didn't see the movie. In Heinlein's classic book it sure doesn't seem that way.

    But you are an annoying idiot. We've established that much.

    I read the book and saw the movie, the book’s much better, but the movie’s okay in a campy sort of way.In neither one is Rico any kind of “Nazi”. He’s a soldier, and of course, to some, any soldier with Pale skin is a “Nazi”.

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    He only had pale skin in the movie. In the book Rico was Filipino, but of course far more people are familiar with the movie where Rico and his classmates were White Argentinians.
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  116. Search and replace! This is essentially the author’s standard article that goes “Putin’s invincible hordes would whip the socks off the US military” with “Iran” substituted for “Russia”. Having grovelled in front of Putin (and the TV cameras of the world!) in Helsinki, Trump must now inflict on Putin a defeat so unequivocal that even Putin’s most ardent American supporters cannot hype it into a victory. An attack on Iran would serve that purpose only in so far as Putin could be dragged into it: forcing him to ditch his (supposed) “ally” or attacking Iranian forces in Syria (if there actually are any) and directly engaging Putin’s forces in that process. Since Trump’s grovelling suggests that he may well be in hock up to his ears to the Russian gangsters Putin fronts for, I doubt if Trump will do anything. His verbal attack on Iran was probably a panic measure designed to divert attention away from his Helsinki blunder but actually just highlighted the “privileged” treatment accorded to Putin.

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  117. Wally says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    More to the point, I don't know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy's IP.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

    This coming from the same Anatoly Karlin who bans / censors those who make on topic & varied comments about his posted references in his articles concerning the fake & impossible ’6M Jews / holocaust’.

    Free speech only goes so far for Anatoly Karlin.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    nobody fucking cares about the Holocaust, that's why you keep getting censored
    , @Anonymous
    (((Anatoly Karlin))) is the only one on Unz that censors people. He did the same to me.

    I guess he values the truth only when he can control the narrative.
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  118. @Wally
    This coming from the same Anatoly Karlin who bans / censors those who make on topic & varied comments about his posted references in his articles concerning the fake & impossible '6M Jews / holocaust'.

    Free speech only goes so far for Anatoly Karlin.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/20180118_outrage.png?itok=RhdJTA4x

    www.codoh.com

    nobody fucking cares about the Holocaust, that’s why you keep getting censored

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    Thank you for the reassuring words about Holo-biz.
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  119. Z-man says:
    @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    The World owes Izrael a massive nuclear attack, so there!

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    The problem is not Israel but the anti-Semitic Zionists false Jews who subjugate the Muslims, Druze, Christians, Bedouin Muslims and Old Testament Jews of Israel along with those Christians and Muslims in the open air prison/concentration camps of Gaza and Palestine. There are daily protest in Israel against the Zionists but are not covered much in the MSM including within the EU. The Zionists are being out-bred by the non-Zionists and in the long run would be kicked out - it we had the time.

    The Zionist false Jews keep bringing up the red herring of an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel to get the US and the other Zionist states to threaten Iran. Iran would never drop a nuclear bomb on Israel, as the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque would also be destroyed or at least radioactive for many years. Thus, such an action would also turn the Muslim world against Iran.

    Unfortunately, Israel is supported by perhaps 100 million Zionist Christians in the US and a like number in the EU while controlling the Western propaganda media. Many of these useful idiots couldn't even find Iran on a map, including my brother and sister.
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  120. Z-man says:
    @El Dato
    TROLL, bad satire, false flag Juice or demented hardcore Rabbi?

    I'm for satire.

    But it's the Internet! It doesn't even matter.

    The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)
     
    That's going to be a tough sell. This will probably happen shortly before everyone is Confucean.

    Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them.
     
    Don't make it so as if you were psychologically unable to spell JEHOVA.

    Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

     

    Ok, who writes "blessed be He", seriously.

    Ya never know, those Israelis have a lot of time on their hands in those ‘internet monitoring’ farms in Tel a Viv.

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  121. Z-man says:
    @Pat Kittle
    Iran has always been the Grand Prize of the Jews' Oded Yinon agenda:

    -- [ http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-jewish-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-beyond.html ]

    The Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael is not only Iran's greatest enemy, it's ours as well.

    The Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael is not only Iran’s greatest enemy, it’s ours as well.

    Yes the Christian West’s.
    But hopefully it will bring the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus and not Eretz Ysrael.

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  122. ‘Therein also lies a big danger: the Israelis and or the US could very easily organize a false flag attack on any ship in the Strait of Hormuz, then accuse Iran, there would be the usual “highly likely” buzzword from all the AngloZionst intelligence agencies and, voilà, the Empire would have a pretext to attack Iran.’

    I think a false-flag ‘Iranian terrorist attack’ would provide a much more stimulating pretext; outraged America ‘strikes back.’

    Note here that leaving aside such unadmitted instances as the attack on the USS Liberty, Israel confessed that she had bombed the USAID library in Cairo back in the fifties. She has mounted at least false-flag attack in the past, and I fully expect her to do so again when the time is right.

    We’ll have a satisfying reason to attack Iran. No fear.

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  123. macilrae says:

    Any attack on Iran would have to be initiated by the USA alone – the Israelis’ aversion to taking any sort of losses guarantees that they would remain ‘hands-off’ until they were absolutely certain the Iranians’ (and probably Hezbollah’s) missile capabilities had been eliminated. Only then would the fearless Israeli air-force swing into bold action – bombing at will and with more guile and creativity than the Americans.

    Israel would have let it be known, through back-channels, that any retaliation from Iran, following an initial American attack, would trigger an immediate nuclear response. If this then transpired, the media would present Israel as rightly responding to an unprovoked and existential attack – with images of mutilated Israeli babies – the eternal victim.

    It seems to me that the Israelis can now get away with almost anything because any effective opposition, on the necessary scale, would only be able to organize by putting its case through the media.

    Personally, though, I hugely doubt that even Trump’s administration would actually carry out an attack on Iran – but on the other hand there is an enormous incentive on the part of his handlers to make this appear likely.

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    "It seems to me that the Israelis can now get away with almost anything..."
    -- Actually, the people of the world are awakening to the zionists' bloody machinations.
    The MSM has been losing steadily their readership and viewership, understandably. The web made a lot of information available for the thinking and honest people. A degree of public's disgust towards the Jewish State and the Jewish Lobby has been rising.

    Agree that "there is an enormous incentive on the part of his handlers to carry out an attack on Iran." Our best hope is a sense of self-preservation among the real "deciders." It seems that the Russian Federation' armament works as a deterrent to stupid global military "initiatives" for now.

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  124. Mike P says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    More to the point, I don't know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy's IP.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

    Everyone who has read your sophomoric articles already knows that you have not yet reached adulthood – no need to supplement it with inane comments like this one.

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    Anatoly Karlin is a real name. His articles are interesting and informative.
    The Greasy William, on the other hand...
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  125. Vendetta says:
    @FB
    Some good points that bring in some of the details omitted in the article...the devil is always in the details...

    It is an interesting question about China and its oil supply from Iran...it's about a third of all China's oil...obviously cutting that off could cripple China...what happens then...?...we remember the Japs launched Pearl Harbor because of the US naval blockade that cut much of Japan's oil supply...

    This is dangerous stuff...

    Otoh...if the US just wants regime change in Iran, China may not care as long as they keep getting their oil...However, it's tough to see how the US could manage blowing up Iran and then restarting its oil flow like turning on the tap...we recall the Iraq invasion and how many years it took to get the oil flowing again...

    Not to mention that Iran is fully capable of taking down Saudi Arabia's oil production with its missiles...and there is no reason to think they won't do it if their country and oilfields are getting bombed...

    Sounds like Russia would be the real winner of this war. Goes right along with how Iran was the real winner of Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

    If they the US ever goes that far down the path of stupidity, don’t rule out the neocons launching another harebrained scheme to try and rescue themselves from the consequences of the first one.

    Regime change in Venezuela comes to mind. What’s the closest, weakest country they could smash to get some oil back on the market? Venezuela. Already comes with built-in ‘humanitarian’ (“those people are starving!”) and ‘realist’ (“the IRGC is building secret missile bases there!”) excuses to justify intervention.

    Venezuela already has a large fifth column ready to jump when the US says jump, Colombia is right next door with a battle hardened army to do the grunt work if the fifth columnists won’t cut it, and the Venezuelan government has mismanaged its defense spending about as badly as everything else, throwing money away on prestige weapons like Sukhoi fighter jets instead of things that might actually do them some good in asymmetrical warfare against the US, like anti-ship missiles.

    Unleash the fifth columnists, call in the Colombians, give them round the clock air support like we did in Libya, maybe call on the new right wing governments in Brazil, Argentina, etc. to supply a few token regiments to give the whole thing an “international coalition” flavor (surely we can count on a few platoons from Guatemala and Honduras, at least) and bingo, it’s a cakewalk!

    It may actually even be something like a cakewalk, certainly more so than our misadventures in the Middle East. The one snag in the plan might be if Maduro manages to burn the oilfields down on his way out. I wouldn’t put it past him to try, but trying and failing seems par the course for him. Chavez was impressive in many ways, Maduro is a joke. I imagine US special forces being sent in to try and wrest control of the oil facilities would be the very first move of the invasion.

    As for what happens afterward, though…probably going to be quite a mess. The comprador regime takes power, the Americans move in and get the oil pumping again to the max, behind a perimeter of Colombian mercenaries and American special forces. The Americans probably try and minimize their footprint on the ground to just that, control of the oil infrastructure and providing training and air support to whatever forces the new regime can muster. This whole thing is premised on a simultaneous US war in Iran, that means the Venezuela operation will have to be done on the cheap with minimal investment of forces.

    Of course, the neocons may well end up getting more than they bargained for with that. Caracas is already a war zone right now, with out of control crime and murder rates…just picture this place when the actual country is a war zone. The chavistas retreat and maintain an urban insurgency where they can while probably setting up a FARC-like force out in the jungles and rural areas. The American invasion, the presence of the Colombians, the cancellation of the social welfare programs, the US reliance on airpower and mercenaries, and the undisguised theft of the country’s oil wealth (together with the death or detention of the bumbling Maduro) will breathe fire back into the Venezuelan left. Before long this chavista insurgency will be fighting with an ideological fervor Maduro could have only dreamt of from his own indifferent troops at the start of the war.

    The new regime’s forces meanwhile turn out to be another hollow force like every other collaborator army the US has trained overseas, the Colombians get sick of doing the dying for the US (growing domestic backlash against the war in Colombia, the people were just starting to get used to peace), and off in Iran, the war still rages on – turns out that surgical airpower was completely unable to hunt down every Iranian anti-ship missile group around the strait of Hormuz, or to stop the Iranians from launching a couple dozen more speedboats every night to toss a few more mines into the strait, so now we had to send in the Marines to seize “a few strategic sites” on the Iranian coast – which turned into seizing the entire Iranian coast, which turned into a full-scale land war in Iran to keep our coastal holdings from being overrun by these endless waves of men the Iranians keep sending…

    Well at that point the commanders in Venezuela are going to be screaming for a ‘surge’ to maintain their precarious hold in the country, only the problem is, there’s no one left to surge with, all the forces that could be spared are in Iran, and the commanders in Iran are also screaming about how they don’t have enough manpower either…

    What can the neocons do then?

    Blame Russia, I guess. And maybe the Cubans.

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    You make a critical point about the US economic and terror attacks on Venezuela. I suspect that Iran is just a smokescreen to divert attention from Venezuela (and Nicaragua) who are the real short term targets. I hope this is not true and am encouraged by Russian and especially Chinese investments in Venezuela to counter the US attempts to destroy the government.

    The US leaders need more time to soften up Iran using terrorists groups such as the MEK now being trained in Albania. In the meantime, the US thinks that worldwide sanctions against Iran, China, Russia, and even Canada will do the trick. The problem with the US sanctions policy is that it doesn't recognize that "When goods don’t cross borders, soldiers will"
    https://fee.org/resources/if-goods-dont-cross-borders/

    The problem is that the US and the EU are collapsing economically from the terminal vampire financial capitalism dominated by the FAANG/FIRE/MICC/corporate consumption sector. They need tribute from neo-colonial plantation vassel states and the tap is running dry, resulting in ever increasing attacks on oil and mineral resource rich countries such as Iran, Venezuela and Russia.
    , @FB
    Very well thought out 'what if' scenario...

    Frightening, but plausible...Maduro is no Hugo Chavez, but then who is...?

    Certainly the fifth column compradors in Venezuela are dangerous...this is the one percent class and their claque of lesser hangers-on...the people are behind the Bolivarian movement as evidenced by the Maduro victories at the polls, which were free and fair as attested by many prominent voices, including Jimmy Carter...

    Yes, some have cooled because of the worsening everyday conditions, but this deterioration is due solely to the economic sabotage carried out by the compradors...I have to think that they can't keep it up forever because they are eating their own seed corn...all Masuro needs to do is last them out...go the distance and stay on his feet and Venezuela wins...

    I honestly don't believe Trump is really that invested in big time military gambles in either Iran or Venezuela...I think this is being whipped up by the neocons and the liberal interventionists...

    I think Trump is more concerned about domestic politics...and so are the US people...Trump's main strength seems to be good instincts as to what the people are really interested in...I don't see him going full in on things that people don't care about...

    He is not a Clinton or Bush Jr where the idea was that the people can always be dragged into a war...as per Goebbels' philosophy...
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  126. I think the most fundamental problem with this piece is the same as the problem with most pieces on a prospective US-Iran War; it assumes the goal is to win.

    From the point of view of the Israel Lobby, we don’t need to win; if anything, victory would lead to remorse, repentance, and a decline in our support for Israel.

    We just need to attack — and ideally, the resulting war will go on forever. What’s desired is not an Iran somehow made into another Egypt — it would be unstable anyway. What’s desired is that the US has a Muslim foe who keeps mounting ‘terrorist attacks’ on Americans and things American.

    Fairly obviously, after the initial exchanges, ‘terrorism’ is going to be Iran’s only effective means of retaliation — and she will almost certainly resort to it.

    That leads to an enraged US, locked in a permanent war with Iran — and standing shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

    And isn’t that what is wanted?

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    Pretty much agree.
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  127. @WorkingClass

    All we can hope for is that somebody in the US will find a way to stop them and avert another immoral, bloody, useless and potentially very dangerous war.
     
    We all know how to stop them. But nobody wants to say it out loud. Certainly not me.

    I have. Many times. See comment #8

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  128. @Bliss

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite “people”
     
    That’s just what the world doesn’t need, another crazy theocracy in the middle-east. At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?

    No. Of course not.
     
    Why not? If the land was promised by an Omnipotent God why hasn’t the promise even come close to being fulfilled in thousands of years? Isn’t it foolish to keep worshipping a God who doesn’t keep his promises?

    Here’s another promise that isn’t fulfilled: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away.

    ‘…Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it? Nor does it’s WWII ally Japan. Explain that away…’

    It’s an arcane point concerning theology I don’t believe in either, but technically…

    Look at the birthrates in both Germany and Japan. Cursed or not, at the moment they seem bent on extinguishing themselves.

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  129. Art says:

    One thing not covered in this article is the roll of Russia and China in the defense of Iran.

    They could stop a war, if they loaded Iran up with S-300’s and the like.

    The thought of the US and Israel having to go in and rescue pilots is a game changer.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. The AngloZionSaudi cabal would have to go it alone. The world will oppose an Iran war. The Iran nuke scare is bogus, and everyone knows it.

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  130. @Den Lille Abe
    This poster actively promotes genocide to Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians and profess to be a Jew in a comment. He declared other peoples "non human".
    He is very, very low. A real scum.
    I regret very much my ancestral SS Division Nordland Sturmbannführer removed uncle did miss a few shots.
    I as an old man, in a family parted by the war, have lived with this stigma for more than half a century: Being a relative of (probably) a mass murderer. And the other part of the Allies. It was still stigmatizing back in the 60 ties when many recognized my surname, and I had to make amends.
    Especially with my mother is jewish. She taught me to never hate.
    And then is little piece of shit comes along and promotes genocide! As a jew! I baffles me completely.
    I will try and toil the hate I feel to this poster, hate is evil, but it still will be difficult.
    I have submitted his IP to our police, they will identify him, and boy, it will be cool if he lives in Europe, he is in for hard time. If he is from the US come along my friend and see what happens.
    His IP has also gone to some other people.
    Hate speech agains a group of people is not acceptable, point those out that are guilty of crimes, but not a group of people.

    You don’t hate him but you relish destroying his life through the power of the State. You are a dangerous, hypocritical little bitch.

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  131. Art says:
    @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    APilgrim – You are a stupid mad bad human. You are the worst that humanity has to offer. Art

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  132. @Den Lille Abe
    This poster actively promotes genocide to Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians and profess to be a Jew in a comment. He declared other peoples "non human".
    He is very, very low. A real scum.
    I regret very much my ancestral SS Division Nordland Sturmbannführer removed uncle did miss a few shots.
    I as an old man, in a family parted by the war, have lived with this stigma for more than half a century: Being a relative of (probably) a mass murderer. And the other part of the Allies. It was still stigmatizing back in the 60 ties when many recognized my surname, and I had to make amends.
    Especially with my mother is jewish. She taught me to never hate.
    And then is little piece of shit comes along and promotes genocide! As a jew! I baffles me completely.
    I will try and toil the hate I feel to this poster, hate is evil, but it still will be difficult.
    I have submitted his IP to our police, they will identify him, and boy, it will be cool if he lives in Europe, he is in for hard time. If he is from the US come along my friend and see what happens.
    His IP has also gone to some other people.
    Hate speech agains a group of people is not acceptable, point those out that are guilty of crimes, but not a group of people.

    Be grateful to the man instead of bringing him to justice: he told the truth.

    The truth shall set us free.

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  133. krollchem says:
    @Z-man
    The World owes Izrael a massive nuclear attack, so there!

    The problem is not Israel but the anti-Semitic Zionists false Jews who subjugate the Muslims, Druze, Christians, Bedouin Muslims and Old Testament Jews of Israel along with those Christians and Muslims in the open air prison/concentration camps of Gaza and Palestine. There are daily protest in Israel against the Zionists but are not covered much in the MSM including within the EU. The Zionists are being out-bred by the non-Zionists and in the long run would be kicked out – it we had the time.

    The Zionist false Jews keep bringing up the red herring of an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel to get the US and the other Zionist states to threaten Iran. Iran would never drop a nuclear bomb on Israel, as the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque would also be destroyed or at least radioactive for many years. Thus, such an action would also turn the Muslim world against Iran.

    Unfortunately, Israel is supported by perhaps 100 million Zionist Christians in the US and a like number in the EU while controlling the Western propaganda media. Many of these useful idiots couldn’t even find Iran on a map, including my brother and sister.

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    The problem is not Israel
     
    You're wrong there. The Rothschild terror state of Israel is very much the problem. Whether they are real or not is hardly the issue. That state only exists because of those evil people. The state of Israel that exists today is as false as you seem to readily recognize the Jews who established it to be. It's full of people like them. It was Palestine before their involvement, before them. Just because it's strategically named Israel now, does not mean it's not really the Zionist false Israel, just like just because they call themselves Jews does not mean they're not really the Zionist false Jews. Where exactly do you see a rift between the people and their nation that allows you to perceive their base of operations as anything less than a problem?

    There are daily protest in Israel against the Zionists
     
    The exception does not dictate the rule. If those protests were not of an extreme minority then they wouldn't be able to be ignored at all. Most of those residing in Israel are on board with the genocidal expansionism and the exploitation and subversion of gentile civilization. It is a supremacist nation.

    The Zionists are being out-bred by the non-Zionists and in the long run would be kicked out – it we had the time.
     
    And then they'd just regroup in the nation of the next gentile suckers who take them in, rebrand under a different -ism and restart the same old cycle of persecution for the umpteenth time ihn recorded history. Because it's Judaism, not Zionism, Bolshevism or any of the other -ism they use to obfuscate the truth, that is the real enemy. You keep trying to call them Zionist false Jews, but before they called themselves Zionists they had been attempting the same thing they are as Zionists for MILLENNIA.


    The Zionist false Jews keep bringing up the red herring of an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel to get the US and the other Zionist states to threaten Iran.
     
    Yes. The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan requires land from Iran, as it still does from Syria and KSA in addition to the other territories that it has already reduced to shambles or are otherwise too small to pose the kinds of threats that Syria and Iran do. KSA is most certainly ruled by crypto-Jews, the House of Saud. I suspect they will simply acquiesce and become one of the satellite nations from which Israel intends to derive it's long term legitimacy after the balkanization of the Arab world, as per the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan. They're already taking steps away from radicalism as we see with the social 'reforms' that have begun to be rolled out.

    Iran would never drop a nuclear bomb on Israel, as the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque would also be destroyed or at least radioactive for many years. Thus, such an action would also turn the Muslim world against Iran.
     
    Monuments and shrines can be rebuilt. Israel's genocidal goal of expansionism has a very permanent end result in mind. I rather suspect that they are fully capable of weighing their options rationally and realizing that sooner or later those sites will be destroyed by Israel anyway, along with their entire civilization.

    Unfortunately, Israel is supported by perhaps 100 million Zionist Christians in the US
     
    Uhh, citation needed? I can say with what I believe is absolute certainty that Christian Zionists do not make up anywhere near a third of America. And I would also strongly doubt that they have anywhere near those numbers in Europe either. They are few in number, but a well placed few. At the gateways of all information and discussion, media, academia, government, banking, business, activism. Their influence is greatly disproportionate to their population figures. But this has always been the case for Jews and their gentile lapdogs.
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  134. JamesG says:

    Why would Iran not have planned to respond with terrorist attacks right here in the USA?

    I don’t think they are stupid and I believe plans (and people and arms) are already in place.

    Blather about Hormuz Straits and oil supply is short-sighted

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  135. Glancing through the reactions, the same I did not find in the article, is the obvious implicit idea that Europe does not exist.
    Yet the EU warned Trump about quitting the Iran nuclear deal, NATO secretary Stoltenberg warned Israel that, in case of an Israeli attack, NATO will not help Israel.
    If indeed Israel is so stupid as to attack Iran, and Iran retaliates by closing Hormuz, the political reactions, and public opinion reactions world wide, will be enormous.
    If I were a jew, I’d shudder for the possible consequences.
    Until recently USA foreign politics were possible just for domestic reasons, this era is over.
    What just the economic consequences for the USA would be in case of an Israeli attack, and blocking Hormuz, I cannot oversee it.

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  136. gT says:
    @Greasy William
    1. 4000 years, not 5000
    2. 4000 years of being gay is nothing to brag about
    3. Lost to the Greeks, lost to Alexander (after cowardly trying to surrender), lost to the Romans 2x and the Byzantines 2x, lost to the Arabs, lost to the Mongols, effortlessly conquered by the UK and Soviet Union during WWII (cowardly Iranians didn't even put up a fight), couldn't beat Saddam even with Israeli help, don't respond to the murders of their scientists and officers by Israel because they know that the Jews are too strong for them.

    conclusion: Iranians = homos

    Lets see now, Israel has existed since 1948, thats 70 years. Previously Israel only existed for say a hundred years at most, a couple of times, before someone else came along and conquered them. All the big boys in the region, at some point or other, ruled over Israel’s ass.

    Even Persia conquered Palestine, the Jews never ever conquered Persia. Persia had an empire, several times, all the Jews got is some BS in a bible. So Persia has at least been something in the past.

    Israelis have always been = featherweight bantam roosters

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    Here’s a rough time line of the ancient Jewish kingdoms straight from their own bible The Mesopotamians, Egyptians Assyrians and Babylonians and Alexander the Great never mentioned Jews or Judea in their extensive records

    1,000 BC David Solomen Saul, bible claims an independent Jewish state.

    87o BC conquered by Assyria ancient independent Jewish state disappears

    560 BC Babylonia conquers Assyrian territory where Jews live

    325 BC Greek Alexander conquers Babylonia Egypt and absorbs Egyptian territory in which Jews live wth Egypt. Extensive Greek histories don’t mention Jews.

    50 BC Rome conquers Greco Egypt and the Egyptian territory east of Egypt where Jews live. 50 BC more jews lived in Egypt especially Alexandria than in the Jewish territory to the east

    100 AD Jerusalem is important in the new Christian religion.

    324 AD Rome divided into Roman Empire in the west and north and Europe and Eastern Roman Empire known as Byzantine Empire honoring the city of Byzantium later Constantinople later Istanbul. Egypt and Jerusalem become part of the Eastern Roman or Byzantian Empire.

    650AD Due to the Justinian plague, the Mediterranean lands and much of Europe are so depopulated the Muslims of S Arabia easily conquer the western part of the Byzantine Empire in which are Egypt and present day Israel.

    1150 AD crusades

    1300 AD Turks conquer the area.

    1914 to 1922 WW1 Area becomes part of the British Empire. Jewish immigrants allowed to set up the separatist segregated Jewish Agency.

    1948 AD Israel becomes a state again 1,900 years after the alleged maybe did. maybe didn’t exist , state ruled by David Solomon Saul.

    That’s a rough timeline. Until 325 BC? Alexander’s conquest, it’s pretty vague and based on the collection of fairy tales known as the Bible.

    The western wall formerly known as the wailing wall is not part of some fairy tale Temple. It’s a retaining wall built under Roman rule because the civic center Roman headquarters was built on a hill as Roman administrative and army headquarters usually were so as to control the high ground in case of an insurrection by the subject peoples.

    The Romans dumped enough rubble to elevate the bottom of the hill and built a retaining wall to hold it together.

    Sneer at Italians and S Europeans all you want, the Italians sure know how to build.

    So the Jews worship a retaining wall built by the conquering Roman Goyim.

    And idiot British and American zionists and governments believe the Jews . Maybe Jews are geniuses. Maybe the Goyim are idiots.

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  137. krollchem says:
    @Vendetta
    Sounds like Russia would be the real winner of this war. Goes right along with how Iran was the real winner of Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

    If they the US ever goes that far down the path of stupidity, don’t rule out the neocons launching another harebrained scheme to try and rescue themselves from the consequences of the first one.

    Regime change in Venezuela comes to mind. What’s the closest, weakest country they could smash to get some oil back on the market? Venezuela. Already comes with built-in ‘humanitarian’ (“those people are starving!”) and ‘realist’ (“the IRGC is building secret missile bases there!”) excuses to justify intervention.

    Venezuela already has a large fifth column ready to jump when the US says jump, Colombia is right next door with a battle hardened army to do the grunt work if the fifth columnists won’t cut it, and the Venezuelan government has mismanaged its defense spending about as badly as everything else, throwing money away on prestige weapons like Sukhoi fighter jets instead of things that might actually do them some good in asymmetrical warfare against the US, like anti-ship missiles.

    Unleash the fifth columnists, call in the Colombians, give them round the clock air support like we did in Libya, maybe call on the new right wing governments in Brazil, Argentina, etc. to supply a few token regiments to give the whole thing an “international coalition” flavor (surely we can count on a few platoons from Guatemala and Honduras, at least) and bingo, it’s a cakewalk!

    It may actually even be something like a cakewalk, certainly more so than our misadventures in the Middle East. The one snag in the plan might be if Maduro manages to burn the oilfields down on his way out. I wouldn’t put it past him to try, but trying and failing seems par the course for him. Chavez was impressive in many ways, Maduro is a joke. I imagine US special forces being sent in to try and wrest control of the oil facilities would be the very first move of the invasion.

    As for what happens afterward, though...probably going to be quite a mess. The comprador regime takes power, the Americans move in and get the oil pumping again to the max, behind a perimeter of Colombian mercenaries and American special forces. The Americans probably try and minimize their footprint on the ground to just that, control of the oil infrastructure and providing training and air support to whatever forces the new regime can muster. This whole thing is premised on a simultaneous US war in Iran, that means the Venezuela operation will have to be done on the cheap with minimal investment of forces.

    Of course, the neocons may well end up getting more than they bargained for with that. Caracas is already a war zone right now, with out of control crime and murder rates...just picture this place when the actual country is a war zone. The chavistas retreat and maintain an urban insurgency where they can while probably setting up a FARC-like force out in the jungles and rural areas. The American invasion, the presence of the Colombians, the cancellation of the social welfare programs, the US reliance on airpower and mercenaries, and the undisguised theft of the country’s oil wealth (together with the death or detention of the bumbling Maduro) will breathe fire back into the Venezuelan left. Before long this chavista insurgency will be fighting with an ideological fervor Maduro could have only dreamt of from his own indifferent troops at the start of the war.

    The new regime’s forces meanwhile turn out to be another hollow force like every other collaborator army the US has trained overseas, the Colombians get sick of doing the dying for the US (growing domestic backlash against the war in Colombia, the people were just starting to get used to peace), and off in Iran, the war still rages on - turns out that surgical airpower was completely unable to hunt down every Iranian anti-ship missile group around the strait of Hormuz, or to stop the Iranians from launching a couple dozen more speedboats every night to toss a few more mines into the strait, so now we had to send in the Marines to seize “a few strategic sites” on the Iranian coast - which turned into seizing the entire Iranian coast, which turned into a full-scale land war in Iran to keep our coastal holdings from being overrun by these endless waves of men the Iranians keep sending...

    Well at that point the commanders in Venezuela are going to be screaming for a ‘surge’ to maintain their precarious hold in the country, only the problem is, there’s no one left to surge with, all the forces that could be spared are in Iran, and the commanders in Iran are also screaming about how they don’t have enough manpower either...

    What can the neocons do then?

    Blame Russia, I guess. And maybe the Cubans.

    You make a critical point about the US economic and terror attacks on Venezuela. I suspect that Iran is just a smokescreen to divert attention from Venezuela (and Nicaragua) who are the real short term targets. I hope this is not true and am encouraged by Russian and especially Chinese investments in Venezuela to counter the US attempts to destroy the government.

    The US leaders need more time to soften up Iran using terrorists groups such as the MEK now being trained in Albania. In the meantime, the US thinks that worldwide sanctions against Iran, China, Russia, and even Canada will do the trick. The problem with the US sanctions policy is that it doesn’t recognize that “When goods don’t cross borders, soldiers will”

    https://fee.org/resources/if-goods-dont-cross-borders/

    The problem is that the US and the EU are collapsing economically from the terminal vampire financial capitalism dominated by the FAANG/FIRE/MICC/corporate consumption sector. They need tribute from neo-colonial plantation vassel states and the tap is running dry, resulting in ever increasing attacks on oil and mineral resource rich countries such as Iran, Venezuela and Russia.

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    '...The problem is that the US and the EU are collapsing economically from the terminal vampire financial capitalism dominated by the FAANG/FIRE/MICC/corporate consumption sector.

    They need tribute from neo-colonial plantation vassel states and the tap is running dry, resulting in ever increasing attacks on oil and mineral resource rich countries such as Iran, Venezuela and Russia...'
     
    Bingo...the tap is running dry indeed...the ponzi scheme is about to collapse and the only way to prop it up is squeezing more blood from the vassal turnips...not going to work...
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  138. @Vendetta
    The Russians may have had a shot taking Hokkaido largely unopposed if they conducted their landings while the American invasion of Kyushu and Honshu was drawing off most of the Japanese defense effort.

    Specialized landing craft are not really a prerequisite for amphibious operations against undefended landing sites. Most of Japan’s initial offensives in Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, the Philippines, and elsewhere were conducted using impressed merchant shipping.

    Nonetheless I agree with your larger point. The invasion of Manchuria was a fine victory but the victory over Japan was first and foremost an American one, just as the Soviets deserve the lion’s share of the credit for defeating Germany. Let both enjoy what they earned.

    You are way too friendly with (Western) Germany’s post-war protectors who supplied Stalins Soviet Union with all the materiel needed to deserve said lion’s share.

    Mass murder, mass pillaging and mass rape were made possible by masses of Studebaker trucks.

    If you think these crimes were committed solely to punish Germans, take a tour of eastern Europe and research the lodal’s attitude towards Russia.

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    The GAZ-AA and the ZiS-5 were the most heavily used trucks of the Red Army, both produced in the USSR, as were the T-34, the SU-76, the Il-2, the Yak-9, the artillery, the small arms, and so on.

    All the weapons and logistical support in the world will amount to little anyway if you give them to an army that won’t fight with them, as demonstrated by the collapse of Chiang Kai-shek

    Who won and who lost are facts that exist regardless of anyone’s moral judgement.
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  139. @Dan Hayes
    The Saker,

    Israel seems to act with impunity carrying out assassination and intelligence-gathering operations inside Iran.

    How important would these covert strengths be in an actual war?

    Just asking.

    ‘The Saker,

    Israel seems to act with impunity carrying out assassination and intelligence-gathering operations inside Iran.

    How important would these covert strengths be in an actual war?

    Just asking.’

    I’m not Skaer, but my guess Is that to carry out her various acts of terror and murder, Israel exploits the still-substantial Iranian Jewish population — that regularly goes back and forth between Israel and Iran. Certainly for them to not do so would display a degree of moral scrupulousness uncharacteristic of the ol’ Light unto the Nations.

    Regardless, if Israel ratchets her aggression up to all-out war, Iran may well intern or expel her Jewish population — thus handily furnishing the moral justification for waging the war in the first place. ‘See — they’re murderous anti-semites!’

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    Honestly the Iranian Jewish community have nothing to do with "Israel" and never did have. They predate the fake Jewish state by over 1000 years. They're loyal and proud Iranians. In fact "Israel" uses a local terrorist group of Islamists. Mujahedin-e-Khalq, MeK or MKO.

    I'd answer the first point by Dan by pointing out that the Zionist state does not act with impunity in Iran. They use the terrorists mentioned and these clowns get caught very often. Iran is not impervious to Zionist terrorism but they manage a determined and effective counter intelligence against it too.
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  140. hyperbola says:
    @Greasy William

    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast.
     
    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.

    Persians have been around for many millenia. Ethnic groupings in the mideast take very long times to change and the invasion of east european ashkenazi is already looking like a desperate failure.

    Living Descendants of Biblical Canaanites Identified Via DNA

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/

    More than 90 percent of the genetic ancestry of modern Lebanese is derived from ancient Canaanites, according to a paper published today in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

    Researchers supported by The Wellcome Trust were able to sequence the Canaanite genome from the remains of five individuals buried in the ancient port city of Sidon (modern Saïda, Lebanon) around 3,700 years ago. The results were compared against the DNA of 99 modern-day Lebanese residents.

    According to the results, Canaanite ancestry is a mix of indigenous populations who settled the Levant (the region encompassing much of modern Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories) around 10,000 years ago, and migrants who arrived from the east between 6,600 and 3,550 years ago…..

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    More than 90 percent of the genetic ancestry of modern Lebanese is derived from ancient Canaanites
     
    3300 years ago we killed all the Canaanites in Canaan. Soon we will kill all the remaining Canaanites in Lebanon. See how everything comes full circle?

    4k years and they are still very much around….
     
    Not for long
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  141. Moi says:
    @Greasy William
    1. 4000 years, not 5000
    2. 4000 years of being gay is nothing to brag about
    3. Lost to the Greeks, lost to Alexander (after cowardly trying to surrender), lost to the Romans 2x and the Byzantines 2x, lost to the Arabs, lost to the Mongols, effortlessly conquered by the UK and Soviet Union during WWII (cowardly Iranians didn't even put up a fight), couldn't beat Saddam even with Israeli help, don't respond to the murders of their scientists and officers by Israel because they know that the Jews are too strong for them.

    conclusion: Iranians = homos

    Could be they are homos, but in that case the Yisraelis are trannie :-(

    PS: 4k years and they are still very much around….

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  142. Jmaie says:
    @Kiza
    I enjoyed your military discussion guys and would not disagree with what you wrote. But for me, there two key points:
    1) war is a totally unpredictable affair; this whole discussion is playing armchair generals; Iran is not Iraq, and
    2) the Saker did touch on the US morale but one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would.

    Yes, I agree that most of Attack Iran talk is a psyops bull, designed to financially exhaust Iran. US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed, Eric Margollis at al but none of these clowns would be willing to risk their lifestyles let alone their lives more than by moronic chest beating that they engage in. Attack Iran is simply Zionist incited US trash-pile rumbling. One long smelly fart, for lack of a better methapor. Cause it would be the end of US as it is now, still a relatively comfortable living country. Event the Hebrew Slaves know their own limitations.

    US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed,

    If you think Fred is pro war on Iran you havn’t been paying attention…

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  143. FB says:
    @Vendetta
    Sounds like Russia would be the real winner of this war. Goes right along with how Iran was the real winner of Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

    If they the US ever goes that far down the path of stupidity, don’t rule out the neocons launching another harebrained scheme to try and rescue themselves from the consequences of the first one.

    Regime change in Venezuela comes to mind. What’s the closest, weakest country they could smash to get some oil back on the market? Venezuela. Already comes with built-in ‘humanitarian’ (“those people are starving!”) and ‘realist’ (“the IRGC is building secret missile bases there!”) excuses to justify intervention.

    Venezuela already has a large fifth column ready to jump when the US says jump, Colombia is right next door with a battle hardened army to do the grunt work if the fifth columnists won’t cut it, and the Venezuelan government has mismanaged its defense spending about as badly as everything else, throwing money away on prestige weapons like Sukhoi fighter jets instead of things that might actually do them some good in asymmetrical warfare against the US, like anti-ship missiles.

    Unleash the fifth columnists, call in the Colombians, give them round the clock air support like we did in Libya, maybe call on the new right wing governments in Brazil, Argentina, etc. to supply a few token regiments to give the whole thing an “international coalition” flavor (surely we can count on a few platoons from Guatemala and Honduras, at least) and bingo, it’s a cakewalk!

    It may actually even be something like a cakewalk, certainly more so than our misadventures in the Middle East. The one snag in the plan might be if Maduro manages to burn the oilfields down on his way out. I wouldn’t put it past him to try, but trying and failing seems par the course for him. Chavez was impressive in many ways, Maduro is a joke. I imagine US special forces being sent in to try and wrest control of the oil facilities would be the very first move of the invasion.

    As for what happens afterward, though...probably going to be quite a mess. The comprador regime takes power, the Americans move in and get the oil pumping again to the max, behind a perimeter of Colombian mercenaries and American special forces. The Americans probably try and minimize their footprint on the ground to just that, control of the oil infrastructure and providing training and air support to whatever forces the new regime can muster. This whole thing is premised on a simultaneous US war in Iran, that means the Venezuela operation will have to be done on the cheap with minimal investment of forces.

    Of course, the neocons may well end up getting more than they bargained for with that. Caracas is already a war zone right now, with out of control crime and murder rates...just picture this place when the actual country is a war zone. The chavistas retreat and maintain an urban insurgency where they can while probably setting up a FARC-like force out in the jungles and rural areas. The American invasion, the presence of the Colombians, the cancellation of the social welfare programs, the US reliance on airpower and mercenaries, and the undisguised theft of the country’s oil wealth (together with the death or detention of the bumbling Maduro) will breathe fire back into the Venezuelan left. Before long this chavista insurgency will be fighting with an ideological fervor Maduro could have only dreamt of from his own indifferent troops at the start of the war.

    The new regime’s forces meanwhile turn out to be another hollow force like every other collaborator army the US has trained overseas, the Colombians get sick of doing the dying for the US (growing domestic backlash against the war in Colombia, the people were just starting to get used to peace), and off in Iran, the war still rages on - turns out that surgical airpower was completely unable to hunt down every Iranian anti-ship missile group around the strait of Hormuz, or to stop the Iranians from launching a couple dozen more speedboats every night to toss a few more mines into the strait, so now we had to send in the Marines to seize “a few strategic sites” on the Iranian coast - which turned into seizing the entire Iranian coast, which turned into a full-scale land war in Iran to keep our coastal holdings from being overrun by these endless waves of men the Iranians keep sending...

    Well at that point the commanders in Venezuela are going to be screaming for a ‘surge’ to maintain their precarious hold in the country, only the problem is, there’s no one left to surge with, all the forces that could be spared are in Iran, and the commanders in Iran are also screaming about how they don’t have enough manpower either...

    What can the neocons do then?

    Blame Russia, I guess. And maybe the Cubans.

    Very well thought out ‘what if’ scenario…

    Frightening, but plausible…Maduro is no Hugo Chavez, but then who is…?

    Certainly the fifth column compradors in Venezuela are dangerous…this is the one percent class and their claque of lesser hangers-on…the people are behind the Bolivarian movement as evidenced by the Maduro victories at the polls, which were free and fair as attested by many prominent voices, including Jimmy Carter…

    Yes, some have cooled because of the worsening everyday conditions, but this deterioration is due solely to the economic sabotage carried out by the compradors…I have to think that they can’t keep it up forever because they are eating their own seed corn…all Masuro needs to do is last them out…go the distance and stay on his feet and Venezuela wins…

    I honestly don’t believe Trump is really that invested in big time military gambles in either Iran or Venezuela…I think this is being whipped up by the neocons and the liberal interventionists…

    I think Trump is more concerned about domestic politics…and so are the US people…Trump’s main strength seems to be good instincts as to what the people are really interested in…I don’t see him going full in on things that people don’t care about…

    He is not a Clinton or Bush Jr where the idea was that the people can always be dragged into a war…as per Goebbels’ philosophy…

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    Drudge reported shots fired at Maduro yesterday 8/4 and there are anti government demonstrations in Iran the last month. I suppose the American army will go in to liberate the dissidents in both countries and the Chinese weapons factories will make more money.
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  144. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Question
    Thank you for the clarification. Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of History at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior Historian at London Imperial War Museum, concur:

    "...
    "The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through Moscow's mediation," Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.

    Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings — 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in Nagasaki the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion if it retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for war, according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman ...

    "The Soviet attack changed all that," Charman said. "The leadership in Tokyo realized they had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs."
    ..."

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/14/historians-soviet-offensive-key-japans-wwii-surrender-eclipsed-bombs.html

    That’s the opinion of 2 men. The opinions and positions on who started WW2,how and why it ended and every thu g that happened in those 6 years are numerous and endlessly debated.

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  145. FB says:
    @krollchem
    You make a critical point about the US economic and terror attacks on Venezuela. I suspect that Iran is just a smokescreen to divert attention from Venezuela (and Nicaragua) who are the real short term targets. I hope this is not true and am encouraged by Russian and especially Chinese investments in Venezuela to counter the US attempts to destroy the government.

    The US leaders need more time to soften up Iran using terrorists groups such as the MEK now being trained in Albania. In the meantime, the US thinks that worldwide sanctions against Iran, China, Russia, and even Canada will do the trick. The problem with the US sanctions policy is that it doesn't recognize that "When goods don’t cross borders, soldiers will"
    https://fee.org/resources/if-goods-dont-cross-borders/

    The problem is that the US and the EU are collapsing economically from the terminal vampire financial capitalism dominated by the FAANG/FIRE/MICC/corporate consumption sector. They need tribute from neo-colonial plantation vassel states and the tap is running dry, resulting in ever increasing attacks on oil and mineral resource rich countries such as Iran, Venezuela and Russia.

    ‘…The problem is that the US and the EU are collapsing economically from the terminal vampire financial capitalism dominated by the FAANG/FIRE/MICC/corporate consumption sector.

    They need tribute from neo-colonial plantation vassel states and the tap is running dry, resulting in ever increasing attacks on oil and mineral resource rich countries such as Iran, Venezuela and Russia…’

    Bingo…the tap is running dry indeed…the ponzi scheme is about to collapse and the only way to prop it up is squeezing more blood from the vassal turnips…not going to work…

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    We are a colony of China as we buy almost all manufactured products from China and they buy nothing from us.

    They do get science and tech from us, but that’s stolen by the Chinese nationals who do all the American research.
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  146. @hyperbola
    Persians have been around for many millenia. Ethnic groupings in the mideast take very long times to change and the invasion of east european ashkenazi is already looking like a desperate failure.

    Living Descendants of Biblical Canaanites Identified Via DNA
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/

    More than 90 percent of the genetic ancestry of modern Lebanese is derived from ancient Canaanites, according to a paper published today in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

    Researchers supported by The Wellcome Trust were able to sequence the Canaanite genome from the remains of five individuals buried in the ancient port city of Sidon (modern Saïda, Lebanon) around 3,700 years ago. The results were compared against the DNA of 99 modern-day Lebanese residents.

    According to the results, Canaanite ancestry is a mix of indigenous populations who settled the Levant (the region encompassing much of modern Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories) around 10,000 years ago, and migrants who arrived from the east between 6,600 and 3,550 years ago.....

    More than 90 percent of the genetic ancestry of modern Lebanese is derived from ancient Canaanites

    3300 years ago we killed all the Canaanites in Canaan. Soon we will kill all the remaining Canaanites in Lebanon. See how everything comes full circle?

    4k years and they are still very much around….

    Not for long

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  147. peterAUS says:

    Overall, a good article.

    Agree with:

    AngloZionists will achieve air superiority fairly soon and that will give them an opportunity to bomb whatever they want to bomb…

    ….the issue of the Strait of Hormuz is much more complicated than just “the US Navy has practiced for years to combat this threat“. The reality is that Iran has a very wide range of options to make shipping through this strait practically impossible. These options range from underwater mines, to fast craft attacks, to anti-shipping missiles, to coastal artillery strikes, etc.

    Therein also lies a big danger: the Israelis and or the US could very easily organize a false flag attack on any ship in the Strait of Hormuz, then accuse Iran, there would be the usual “highly likely” buzzword from all the AngloZionst intelligence agencies and, voilà, the Empire would have a pretext to attack Iran.

    Iran can always lay even a limited amount of mines, and that will be enough (please keep in mind that while the USN could try to engage in mineclearing operations, to do so right off the coast of Iran would expose USN minesweepers to an extreme danger of attack).

    For brown water operations (Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz) Iran has a relatively large and capable fleet of midget submarines.
    I would argue that Iranian Ghadir-class “midget” submarines represent a much more formidable threat in the Persian Gulf than even the most advanced nuclear attack submarines could.

    As for below, don’t quite agree:

    ….the only option left for the US will be to land a force on the Iranian shore and engage in a limited but still extremely dangerous offensive land-attack operation.

    Landing some force could be an option, but, definitely secondary to devastating air campaign against Iran.

    Agree with below:

    The usual answer which I often hear to these arguments is that if the Iranians actually dared to use missiles or strike at the US bases in the region, the retaliation by the US would be absolutely terrible

    .
    In any case where Iranian response becomes serious, the retaliation becomes terrible. THAT is my point.

    And, Saker is wrong here.

    ..then how would that outcome be different from the “absolutely terrible” retaliation supposedly planned by the US in case of Iranian counterattack? Put differently – if the Iranians realize that the AngloZionists want to lay waste to their country (say, like what the Israelis did to Lebanon in 2006), what further possible escalation would further deter them from counter-attacking with the means available to them?
    the goals of the AngloZionists is not to disarm Iran, but exactly as Margolis says: to bomb this “disobedient” country and people “back to the pre-revolutionary era”.

    The US intent is regime change in Iran.

    Saker got the very objective wrong (which is sort of surprising…sort of….). Not very flattering I am afraid.

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  148. annamaria says:
    @Johnny Rico
    There's no circle. The Saker believes the only thing the US did in World War II was murder civilians.

    That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism. Japan surrendered because Stalin finally entered the war against Japan like the day after Hiroshima and invaded Manchuria. The US had nothing to do with it.

    It is nonsense. But that is the standard narrative here.

    Why are you so eager to show your ignorance and hatred, repeatedly?

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

    “… in 1965, historian Gar Alperovitz argued that, although the bombs did force an immediate end to the war, Japan’s leaders had wanted to surrender anyway and likely would have done so before the American invasion planned for Nov. 1. …
    The bombing of Nagasaki occurred in the late morning of Aug. 9, after the Supreme Council had already begun meeting to discuss surrender…”
    The bombing of Japan with nuclear weapon (WMD) was a crime against humanity. Similar to bombing of Drezden.

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  149. annamaria says:
    @Greasy William

    It’s been what almost 4000 years since The Promised Land was supposedly promised? It never fully happened. How do you explain that? And what makes you think it will happen now?
     
    Because it is happening now. Since the Zionist movement began, in the late 19th century, the territory controlled by the Jews has ever expanded. Currently the only thing saving the Arabs/Muslims is that the secular Jews still mostly control Israeli politics and have a death grip on the IDF senior command. But everyday Israel becomes more theocratic and, in many ways, the secular are being squeezed even more than the Arabs/Iranians.

    Most demographers predict that Israel will become a theocracy in the next 30 years or so. When that happens Israel will launch a final war liberate every grain of sand from the Nile to the Euphrates as well as to kill all remaining Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian and Yemenite "people" who have not already been destroyed by that time.


    If anything it’s the Arabs who have occupied that entire land (eastern Egypt to southern Syria and Iraq) the longest. Does that mean the original promise to Ishmael (father of the Arabs) is the valid one?
     
    No. Of course not.

    How authoritative is your opinion? A lot of righteous Jews think of the zionist warmongers as the traitors to Jewish people (the People of Israel). http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1506.htm
    The People of Israel oppose the so-called “State of Israel” for four reasons:

    FIRST — Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel. … a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic “salvation.” …

    SECOND — … the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah. …

    THIRD Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. …

    FOURTH — Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.”

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    The anti Israel orthodox faction is very happy with Israel. The draft exemption separate neighborhoods schools and cultures and 4 generations living on generous welfare instead of any kind of work did it.
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  150. peterAUS says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    More to the point, I don't know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy's IP.

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.

    I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.

    Well, it’s possible.

    A couple of prerequisites:
    The “random commenter” is a medium level hacker. Plenty of those around.
    More importantly, the poster doesn’t implement reasonable measures re the system he’s posting from. Most people don’t.

    So……..

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  151. annamaria says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Outstanding work. Comment #5 is some of your best material to date. Don't get frustrated. They are just in shock. They'll be back. Stay vigilant.

    Enjoy, “Johny Rico:” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1506.htm

    “What is “The people of Israel”?
    1. The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
    2. It has its own particular, essential, nature.
    3. The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
    4. Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
    5. Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
    6. The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
    7. Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.”

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    What is “The people of Israel”?
     
    G'day, good Q and thnx.

    [COED] Jew
    n noun a member of the people whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins to the ancient Hebrew people of Israel.

    Several people have queried what this asserted 'legacy' Israel may have been, and for how long inhabited by whom. Certainly, the 'imaginary supernatural deity promised it to us' crowd claim that the latter were their forefathers, but how does this claim stack up? Also, what would be the legal status of any 'imaginary supernatural deity' as property dealer, and what would be any legal basis of its claim to Palestine anyway?

    There is a theory [to which I subscribe], asserting that the true origin of the ~90% of 'Judaics' comprising the Ashkenazis is Khazars, Turco-Finn by race, from the steppes north of the Caucasus, who mass-converted to Judaism about 690 A.D.[ymmv], as a deception strategy. IF so THEN they fail the "trace their origins to the ancient Hebrew people..."

    Also certainly, later usurpers could hardly claim any promise [even if valid; haw], applied to them.

    We can do a little experiment; evolving humans adapt to their environments, see the northern Europeans [lighter skin going north], Mediterranean people [darker] and Africans [darkest.] Semitics evolved in and around Palestine = Mediterranean.

    Now, does this man look at all 'Semitic?'
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4285292-3x2-340x227.jpg
    QED
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  152. peterAUS says:
    @Greasy William

    More to the point, I don’t know how a random commenter is going to have access to Greasy’s IP.
     
    Anybody who wants my IP only has to ask. What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in? Is somebody gonna get a court order on me?

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.
     
    I'm flattered, truly. But don't you feel like the Saker's readers are getting better at not taking the bait? I feel like I'm needing to get more and more extreme to get ever lessening reactions.

    It's probably because Iran has been so thoroughly humiliated in Syria and Yemen that the Russophiles are in too much despair to respond to my provocations.

    Very frustrating.

    ….What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in?…

    You are THAT naive?

    With a correct IP a a lot can be done.
    A LOT.

    One has to be really good though. The poster commenting against you doesn’t strike me as such. Still, he could have access to those who can.

    And, besides, any state level player can, with more or less ease. Any of “Five Eyes” can.

    I know that…ahm…”agencies” where I am, could, just as I type this, monitor exactly what I am doing.
    The thing is, of course, I can see that. Or so I say…..

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    With a correct IP a a lot can be done.
     
    Not without a subpoena or without being a super hacker. Pretty sure he doesn't have a subpoena and isn't a super hacker.

    And he doesn't have a correct IP. At most he has the proxy I was using when I typed that.
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  153. annamaria says:
    @Greasy William

    More likely is that the Persians will once again put an end to zionism in the mideast.
     
    Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.

    The upstart is unhappy that the historical facts remind about the upstart’s historical insignificance as compared to an ancient and noble civilization of Persia

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  154. peterAUS says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Outstanding work. Comment #5 is some of your best material to date. Don't get frustrated. They are just in shock. They'll be back. Stay vigilant.

    Actually……agree.

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  155. Alfa158 says:
    @Rich
    I read the book and saw the movie, the book's much better, but the movie's okay in a campy sort of way.In neither one is Rico any kind of "Nazi". He's a soldier, and of course, to some, any soldier with Pale skin is a "Nazi".

    He only had pale skin in the movie. In the book Rico was Filipino, but of course far more people are familiar with the movie where Rico and his classmates were White Argentinians.

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    You are absolutely correct, I forgot that he was a Filipino in the novel, been so many years since I read it. He was Argentinian in the movie. I wonder where Filipinos fall on the SJW scale? They are a fiercely religious people, so are probably despised.
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  156. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I'm skeptical of the idea that Iran has major retaliatory options.

    Midget subs have a poor combat record. Doubt that much has changed on that front.

    Modern SSKs are pretty formidable, but they're also slow, need to surface, and have to return to port (which themselves are targets). And they'd be operating in well imaged, shallow water.

    Iran's missiles can and will do damage, but I doubt they'll even make much of a dent in allied sortie rates. The missiles are limited in number, are subject to dispersal, and are equipped with conventional warheads. Realistically, not much more threatening than Saddam's SCUDs or Germany's V-2s.

    And the idea that oil tankers will stop operating because of problems with insurance is so stupid I can't believe anyone takes it seriously. Major consumer states will immediately step in and provide insurance themselves. Just as the Allies did in both world wars.

    Iran's best option in the event of a war might be to attack American troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As Islamic war of liberation against the "crusaders". There are supposedly 15,000 American troops in Afghanistan and 9,000 in Iraq.

    Iran’s best option in the event of a war might be to attack American troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As Islamic war of liberation against the “crusaders”. There are supposedly 15,000 American troops in Afghanistan and 9,000 in Iraq.

    Something better than nothing then. I hope everyone of those evil scum gets captured… alive.

    I have no stomach for all those barbaric head chopping videos from some time back. But, I would make an exception for the 24000 you mention above. I would especially look for the hook noses wearing a kippah or a starry trinket.

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    There won’t be any Jews fighting Iran. It will all be Americans. The IDF only fights unarmed Palestinians.
    , @Druid
    There aren't any of those "hook noses" there. They're in WA sending others there.
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  157. annamaria says:
    @Greasy William

    Germany doesn’t exactly look like a cursed nation does it?
     
    It does these days, unfortunately.

    At least the Ayatollahs of Iran aren’t armed to the teeth with nukes and ICBMs.
     
    We aren't going to use our nuclear weapons. They are only to make sure that Russia doesn't use their nukes on us. When Russia disarms, so will we.

    The men who founded Israel and fought successfully to defend it weren’t religious fanatics, were they?
     
    Messiah's donkey

    Jews from Israel and the former USSR have been swarming into the “unfortunate” Germany.

    “Tens of Thousands of Jews Leaving Israel for Germany”: http://americanfreepress.net/tens-of-thousands-of-jews-leaving-israel-for-germany/
    “A growing exodus of young Israelis to Berlin has not only shocked Israel’s far right leadership but has highlighted the growing disillusionment with Zionism among Israel’s younger generation.”

    “Germany Is Moving To End Mass Immigration of Jews From Russia”: https://forward.com/news/4029/germany-is-moving-to-end-mass-immigration-of-jews/
    “The mass migration of Jews from the former Soviet Union to Germany likely will come to a swift end with the introduction of a new law drawn up by Germany’s 16-state governments. German authorities presented the new restrictions on Jewish immigration…”

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    There are about a million Israelis living in America. Some are those fake Jewish Russians who used Israel as a stop on the way to America. Many are Mizrahi and Sephardi tired of being treated like Palestinians. Many are observing the ancient Jewish tradition of evading the draft. Most left for a better life elsewhere.

    A few are propagandists keeping the
    holocaust haunted American Jews in line and the money flowing from the America. taxpayer to Israel. They’re mostly in NYC and Los Angeles.

    , @Anon
    When will we hear the howling and yowling about anti Semitism?

    The Jewish and Muslim immigrants will enrich and vibrantize Germany as they fight for most favored minority status.
    , @Bill jones
    Just now much safer and simpler would the world be if the US dumped 10% of its nuclear arsenal on Israel?
    , @skrik

    Jews from Israel and the former USSR have been swarming into the “unfortunate” Germany
     
    Mainly, one may suppose, aimed at Berlin's "Poof culture" - totally different, even if related, to "Puff Kultur." Haw. rgds
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  158. peterAUS says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think the most fundamental problem with this piece is the same as the problem with most pieces on a prospective US-Iran War; it assumes the goal is to win.

    From the point of view of the Israel Lobby, we don't need to win; if anything, victory would lead to remorse, repentance, and a decline in our support for Israel.

    We just need to attack -- and ideally, the resulting war will go on forever. What's desired is not an Iran somehow made into another Egypt -- it would be unstable anyway. What's desired is that the US has a Muslim foe who keeps mounting 'terrorist attacks' on Americans and things American.

    Fairly obviously, after the initial exchanges, 'terrorism' is going to be Iran's only effective means of retaliation -- and she will almost certainly resort to it.

    That leads to an enraged US, locked in a permanent war with Iran -- and standing shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

    And isn't that what is wanted?

    Pretty much agree.

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  159. Vendetta says:
    @byrresheim
    You are way too friendly with (Western) Germany's post-war protectors who supplied Stalins Soviet Union with all the materiel needed to deserve said lion's share.

    Mass murder, mass pillaging and mass rape were made possible by masses of Studebaker trucks.

    If you think these crimes were committed solely to punish Germans, take a tour of eastern Europe and research the lodal's attitude towards Russia.

    The GAZ-AA and the ZiS-5 were the most heavily used trucks of the Red Army, both produced in the USSR, as were the T-34, the SU-76, the Il-2, the Yak-9, the artillery, the small arms, and so on.

    All the weapons and logistical support in the world will amount to little anyway if you give them to an army that won’t fight with them, as demonstrated by the collapse of Chiang Kai-shek

    Who won and who lost are facts that exist regardless of anyone’s moral judgement.

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  160. @peterAUS

    ....What exactly is that going to tell you besides the city that my IP proxy is based in?...
     
    You are THAT naive?

    With a correct IP a a lot can be done.
    A LOT.

    One has to be really good though. The poster commenting against you doesn't strike me as such. Still, he could have access to those who can.

    And, besides, any state level player can, with more or less ease. Any of "Five Eyes" can.

    I know that...ahm..."agencies" where I am, could, just as I type this, monitor exactly what I am doing.
    The thing is, of course, I can see that. Or so I say.....

    With a correct IP a a lot can be done.

    Not without a subpoena or without being a super hacker. Pretty sure he doesn’t have a subpoena and isn’t a super hacker.

    And he doesn’t have a correct IP. At most he has the proxy I was using when I typed that.

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    O.K.

    One day, when you have time/inclination, take a look at:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmfoovHj2Y

    I'd change "super hacker" into "medium level". Those who are experts, say, with Kali but can't, by themselves, develop Zero Day exploits.
    "Subpoena" you say? Funny. Sorry, just me.

    As for the second paragraph...yes and no. Depends who's after you.
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  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @gT
    Lets see now, Israel has existed since 1948, thats 70 years. Previously Israel only existed for say a hundred years at most, a couple of times, before someone else came along and conquered them. All the big boys in the region, at some point or other, ruled over Israel's ass.

    Even Persia conquered Palestine, the Jews never ever conquered Persia. Persia had an empire, several times, all the Jews got is some BS in a bible. So Persia has at least been something in the past.

    Israelis have always been = featherweight bantam roosters

    Here’s a rough time line of the ancient Jewish kingdoms straight from their own bible The Mesopotamians, Egyptians Assyrians and Babylonians and Alexander the Great never mentioned Jews or Judea in their extensive records

    1,000 BC David Solomen Saul, bible claims an independent Jewish state.

    87o BC conquered by Assyria ancient independent Jewish state disappears

    560 BC Babylonia conquers Assyrian territory where Jews live

    325 BC Greek Alexander conquers Babylonia Egypt and absorbs Egyptian territory in which Jews live wth Egypt. Extensive Greek histories don’t mention Jews.

    50 BC Rome conquers Greco Egypt and the Egyptian territory east of Egypt where Jews live. 50 BC more jews lived in Egypt especially Alexandria than in the Jewish territory to the east

    100 AD Jerusalem is important in the new Christian religion.

    324 AD Rome divided into Roman Empire in the west and north and Europe and Eastern Roman Empire known as Byzantine Empire honoring the city of Byzantium later Constantinople later Istanbul. Egypt and Jerusalem become part of the Eastern Roman or Byzantian Empire.

    650AD Due to the Justinian plague, the Mediterranean lands and much of Europe are so depopulated the Muslims of S Arabia easily conquer the western part of the Byzantine Empire in which are Egypt and present day Israel.

    1150 AD crusades

    1300 AD Turks conquer the area.

    1914 to 1922 WW1 Area becomes part of the British Empire. Jewish immigrants allowed to set up the separatist segregated Jewish Agency.

    1948 AD Israel becomes a state again 1,900 years after the alleged maybe did. maybe didn’t exist , state ruled by David Solomon Saul.

    That’s a rough timeline. Until 325 BC? Alexander’s conquest, it’s pretty vague and based on the collection of fairy tales known as the Bible.

    The western wall formerly known as the wailing wall is not part of some fairy tale Temple. It’s a retaining wall built under Roman rule because the civic center Roman headquarters was built on a hill as Roman administrative and army headquarters usually were so as to control the high ground in case of an insurrection by the subject peoples.

    The Romans dumped enough rubble to elevate the bottom of the hill and built a retaining wall to hold it together.

    Sneer at Italians and S Europeans all you want, the Italians sure know how to build.

    So the Jews worship a retaining wall built by the conquering Roman Goyim.

    And idiot British and American zionists and governments believe the Jews . Maybe Jews are geniuses. Maybe the Goyim are idiots.

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    Thank you for the important reference:
    "The western wall formerly known as the wailing wall is not part of some fairy tale Temple. It’s a retaining wall built under Roman rule because the civic center Roman headquarters was built on a hill as Roman administrative and army headquarters usually were so as to control the high ground in case of an insurrection by the subject peoples.

    The Romans dumped enough rubble to elevate the bottom of the hill and built a retaining wall to hold it together.

    Sneer at Italians and S Europeans all you want, the Italians sure know how to build.

    So the Jews worship a retaining wall built by the conquering Roman Goyim."
    , @mark green
    The ancient Egyptians also had nothing to say about Jews or any Israeli kingdom or civilization. None. Why? The Jewish 'kingdom of David' either never existed or it was of no significance.

    On the other hand, the ancient 'Jews' obsess about the Egyptians (and their extraordinary accomplishments) hundreds of times in their miracle-drenched 'holy' book--which today looks very much like a silly collection of ethnocentric fairy tales.

    Jews were a jealous, superstitious and deceptive people then, and they still are.

    There's also no corabborating archeological evidence to sustain any of the fanciful yarns found in the Torah, including the exodus. Not a shred. Nothing. It's all cooked up.

    But there are immense, impressive and undeniable monuments as well as physical evidence for the glorious existence of the ancient Persian, Roman and Greek civilizations--not to mention the Egyptians.

    In comparison, the Jews were--at best--a second rate tribe in the ancient world whose descendents concocted a copious collection of unbelievable myths, many of which are contradictory or totally inconsistent with science, nature and real human history.

    Recent evidence suggests that the Jews may have borrowed many of their religious fables from the ancient Sumerians, who existed thousands of years before Abraham was ever even imagined.

    The precarious, a-scientific collection of yarns amassed by the Jews helps explain why these voracious parasites remain the Western world's foremost censors.

    Intellectual freedom threatens their vast library of libels, calumnies, and strategic falsehoods.

    It is surely no accident or coincidence that the Jews continue to be the world's most feared, most disliked, and least-trusted people.

    , @skrik

    1948 AD Israel becomes a state
     
    No. Oh, sorry! Always and in every way IMHO: No. Then see my PS.

    UNGA181 [Partition Plan for Palestine] was only ever that; a plan - and a stupid one at that. UNGA181 a) was never accepted, let alone passed, by the UNSC, so it never became 'the Law,' b) was only passed in the UNGA on a low majority after a 'coercion exertion' delay anyway, c) was both immoral and totally illegal [one cannot 'arbitrarily deprive anyone of their property' {UDHR Article 17(2)}]. Then, the UNGA recognised 'the error of their ways' with UNGA194 [my 'refinement' = RoR+R*3 = Right of Return + Revest, Reparations and Reconciliation], which is still on the UN 'to do' list and regularly confirmed with high majorities in the UNGA. That the [illegitimate entity] Israel was recognised by the UNGA was 'conditional' on Israel a) recognising and b) implementing UNGA194 [among other preconditions] - this they have singularly failed to do [proof by casual inspection]. Next, the '47/'48 war in Palestine was effectively an aggressive war to acquire Lebensraum; such actions were declared illegal [= supreme international crime] latest at the post-WW2 Nuremberg trials = *before* the alien [invading by 'stealth' = unwanted and/or illegal immigration] Zs attacked the natives via Plan Dalet [including King David Hotel bombing, Deir Yassin massacre] etc., with terrorist bombings directed at the UK 'administrators' and ethnic cleansing of the natives via murdering = genocidal violence.

    Now, because of UDHR Article 17(2)[= *inalienable* rights = *not* able to be surrendered] and UNSC242 [inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war], Israel can *never* own the land it so obscenely squats upon [outside of the ~6% they 'legally' acquired before '47, mostly of poor quality, mostly from 'absentee landlords'].

    So: With no legal title to the [stolen!] Palestinian land, and no 'regularised' UN 'legitimacy,' *plus* no asserted let alone accepted borders [pre-'67 = 'green line' = an armistice line *only* + UNGA181 not law], Israel is *not* a state, QED

    PS Any who disagree should publicly prove how/why - I bet none can.

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  162. annamaria says:
    @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    Was not it “crazy and criminal” to do the nuclear bombing of two Japanese cities populated by the innocent civilians including thousands and thousands of children? The bombing of Dresden? https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/02/13/73rd-anniversary-of-bombing-of-dresden-worst-war-crime-of-20th-century/
    How about certain Madeleine Albright (of Jewish descent) who firmly believes that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq’s non existent WMD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
    And how do you, “Bliss,” like the murder of thousands and thousands of children in Libya and Syria by the ziocon-inspired & paid mercenaries?
    Moreover, Israel looks really bad for its bombing and shooting the children and teens in the Gaza Ghetto (rhymes with Warsaw Ghetto).

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  163. edNels says:

    Expendable, disposable presidents:

    It appears that the Neocons have a basic strategy which goes like this: “we hate Trump and everything he represents, but we also control him; let’s use him to do all the crazy stuff no sane US President would ever do, and then let’s use the fallout of these crazy decisions and blame it all on Trump; this way we get all that we want and we get to destroy Trump in the process only to replace him with one of “our guys” when the time is right“

    You are correct about this but that is just normal costs of business and is usual throughout the self described free world, in the concept of replaceable leaders.
    In most organizations with a few exceptions like cults of personality it is considered a great source of strength and pride that the system can regenerate and correct its problems by its timely and orderly replacement of bad or old management as a maintenance function including through use of term limits, if not other attrition even the over rated impeachement process, (much less getting rid of him) to ensure, reinforce, the system

    So what benefits to who? (MOFU’s of course!). This makes possible any horrible campaign or unpopular war or what ever doable with PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY___!

    You gotta put somebody up there to take the flack when you make the moves that they want, knowing that they have to be removed from it, (at arms length, so to speak.)

    Ships sink, planes dive into mountains, etc. etc. etc. “It was just a fluke of a fallible human.” (While the captain sleeps off a hangover in his cabin… or president runs amok like Caligula… (“Oh gee, who would have ever guessed that?)

    T is classic… ! Who would ever be able to follow the first n pres, the first female, (though not consummated as elected, fills the spot some sort of way, while half the country refuses to snap out of the dilution…! Well how about a red headed stepchildso easy to hate, with a line of common sense solutions, maybe not too much follow through, for the true believers, hahaha.

    INOwords Saker over thinks this point because it is really at the heart of the purpose of renewable democracy ideological operations. Otherwise great article of course.

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    That’s exactly what the Jews did with Nixon: affirnatuve action, making Hispanics and Asians eligible for affirmative action, section 8, massive federal funding for radical legal foundations,

    paying state and local governments billions in CETA and EEOA money to hire nothing but affirmative action dreck massive extended welfare

    opening to China thus sending all our factories to China at behest of people like Richard Blum, Senator Feinstein’s husband massive immigration of Chinese including spies

    and finally, sending every American tank in Europe to Israel to use in the 1973 war along with thousands of American soldiers and vast amounts of war materiels

    And after Nixon obeyed all the Jews orders the Jews got rid of him.

    The inflation of the 1970s was caused by Nixon and his handler Kissinger sending the tanks and troops to Israel.

    The Saudi and other Arab ambassadors tried to protest Kissinger ordered the state department to refuse to speak with or respond to them.
    The King of Saudi Arabia called Nixon several times to protest. Nixon refused to take the calls

    The king raised the price of Saudi oil setting off a terrible inflation which our useless government did nothing to control.

    Nixon was a Jewish stooge. He was rewarded by being forced to resign by the Jewish press.

    Same thing pretty much happened with Johnson. It was Jews being subject to the draft in the Vietnam war that did for him.

    All those Jews he helped out of Germany before WW2, dropping Kennedy's demand that AIPAC register as agent if a foreign country, dropping Kennedy’s investigation of Israel’s nuclear program

    all those anti White great society programs and the 65 immigration law and 68 affirmative action law didn’t help him.

    Our Presidents are like the African chiefs appointed by the colonial powers in 1900.
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  164. Rich says:
    @Alfa158
    He only had pale skin in the movie. In the book Rico was Filipino, but of course far more people are familiar with the movie where Rico and his classmates were White Argentinians.

    You are absolutely correct, I forgot that he was a Filipino in the novel, been so many years since I read it. He was Argentinian in the movie. I wonder where Filipinos fall on the SJW scale? They are a fiercely religious people, so are probably despised.

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    Reading comments here I regularly find it stil shocking how horribly dumb the majority of US people are. No wonder the Jews have been making minced meat out of you, in literal and in physical sense. All muscle no brain, an Eldorado for the smart and tricky Jews. Total control of the land of morons stolen from the aboriginies through genocide.
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  165. annamaria says:
    @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    “The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979. November 4, 1979. … Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran…”
    — Actually, if you insist on the eye for an eye, the US should first bomb the Jewish State for the despicable murderous attack on USS Liberty in 1967: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/06/08/israeli-attack-uss-liberty-paul-craig-roberts/
    “The attackers killed 34 Americans and wounded over 170 out of 294 crewmembers.”
    – Should we issue a battle cry “Death to Israelis” for the premeditated murder of American servicemen and initiate a thermonuclear attack on the amoral midget-state of ridiculous supremacists?

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  166. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB
    Very well thought out 'what if' scenario...

    Frightening, but plausible...Maduro is no Hugo Chavez, but then who is...?

    Certainly the fifth column compradors in Venezuela are dangerous...this is the one percent class and their claque of lesser hangers-on...the people are behind the Bolivarian movement as evidenced by the Maduro victories at the polls, which were free and fair as attested by many prominent voices, including Jimmy Carter...

    Yes, some have cooled because of the worsening everyday conditions, but this deterioration is due solely to the economic sabotage carried out by the compradors...I have to think that they can't keep it up forever because they are eating their own seed corn...all Masuro needs to do is last them out...go the distance and stay on his feet and Venezuela wins...

    I honestly don't believe Trump is really that invested in big time military gambles in either Iran or Venezuela...I think this is being whipped up by the neocons and the liberal interventionists...

    I think Trump is more concerned about domestic politics...and so are the US people...Trump's main strength seems to be good instincts as to what the people are really interested in...I don't see him going full in on things that people don't care about...

    He is not a Clinton or Bush Jr where the idea was that the people can always be dragged into a war...as per Goebbels' philosophy...

    Drudge reported shots fired at Maduro yesterday 8/4 and there are anti government demonstrations in Iran the last month. I suppose the American army will go in to liberate the dissidents in both countries and the Chinese weapons factories will make more money.

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  167. Iris says:
    @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    “Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily”.

    This website always addresses such grave and preoccupying topics…. It is great that some comical element is introduced, albeit inadvertently.

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  168. It seems to me that the problem of an American attack against Iran is that its results could be quite unpredicatble and uneffective and this would make such a war quite different from the last wars like the war against Grenada, against Serbia, Afganistan, Iraq and so on. They tried to defend themselves, but they couldn’t do this in a large scale or at all. At any time the US could just go away and leave behind a devastated country. Circunstances were quite different from a possible war against Iran today.

    A war like the Vietnam war shows how a war can fail, it can extend in time, escalate, cause many victims and destruction. To be effective in any way against Iran the US would have to cause a lot of destruction, a lot more than would be considered acceptable. But a more decisive war could affect the US more strongly than other wars in the past. The problem is that there would be no excuse for the war and that Iran could answer more decisively than smaller coutries. A war that doesn’t have any justification and that has unpredicatable consequences is a bad idea. Because of that I don’t think that Americans are considering it minimally as a real possibility. They know where the limits are, even if the neoconservative push them quite a lot towards a war. The German journalist Henryk Broder wrote a book a few years ago with the title “Vergesst Ausschwitz” (Forget Ausschwitz) where he tells Germans that they (Jews) would forgett Ausschwitz in case Germany helps Israel against Iran.

    The main point against a war against Iran are possible long term consequences. Some times I think this would be the last European war in Asia for the next 500 years. Such a war is not a local war, it’s a continental war. This could lead in the future to a more hostile stance against the US from countries that have the possibility to challenge the US, the result would be militarisation, more weapons against a weaker US. The war is simply a bad idea, a very bad idea.

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    As for the last european war in Asia in 500 years: do we have a reason to think that white Europeans will exist in Europe in 500 years? Or even 150 years? They are dying out already, and will soon start dying out more rapidly.
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  169. annamaria says:
    @Moi
    Trust not Putin--Russia will be looking out for its own interests, and confrontation with the US is not one of them.

    Russia does not have a choice but to help Iran to repel the Israel-guided bully, in order to protect her people from the peril of fanatical Islam.
    The Jewish Lobby has been a parasitoid on the hapless US. Parasitoids always kill their hosts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovo_T0KqdYg

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  170. annamaria says:
    @Miggle
    Perhaps as part of its preparation for invasion Iran needs with Syria's help to ensure that Hezbollah is supplied with new weapons. There have been several Israeli air attacks to prevent weapon convoys from passing into Lebanon. Iran and Syria could put an effort into the air defenses of each convoy.

    This is not 1967. My impression is that today, the "civil war" won, Syria's army, larger, and battle-hardened, could easily overpower the army that's only practised at firing dumdum bullets at unarmed civilians.

    I thought Avigdor Lieberman's recent words about peaceful relations with Assad sounded timorous, that he knows Israel lost. And Israel has fled from Hezbollah in the past.

    So, if the USA or Israel attacked Iran, Iran's allies would quickly recover the Golan Heights and the Shebaa Farms, and there would be simultaneous uprisings of the captive people of Palestine when the IDF was already overwhelmed.

    So there's a good chance that if Trump unleashes attacks on Iran, at that time Israel will cease to exist and so there will no longer be any need to attack Iran. So, with luck, Israel no longer in existence, Trump would end his war with Iran.

    Israel might not cease to exist without finally destroying half the world with its nuclear weapons. Israel needs to be made aware that that would be seen by history, and by the people of the world, as the Jewish legacy. We would soon see American courts sending Jews to prison for not wearing the star of David.

    But if they restrain themselves on that front and simply surrender, there might be surprising mercy, and peace.

    “Israel might not cease to exist without finally destroying half the world with its nuclear weapons. Israel needs to be made aware that that would be seen by history, and by the people of the world, as the Jewish legacy. We would soon see American courts sending Jews to prison for not wearing the star of David.”
    – Your prediction sounds true, unfortunately.

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  171. annamaria says:
    @Greasy William
    nobody fucking cares about the Holocaust, that's why you keep getting censored

    Thank you for the reassuring words about Holo-biz.

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  172. Iris says:
    @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    ” Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily.”

    The articles on this website are always about grave and preoccupying topics… It is refreshing that you introduce such highly comical content, albeit inadvertently.

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  173. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Someone
    Iran has the only Islamic bureaucracy in the world and the only country run on Sharia- the true sharia and not the joke that the Sunni Sharia based societies are like the Taliban or the Saudis or the ISIS....

    Except Iran is not really Islamic. Any faith which includes as an important aspect of its dogma, a hyper-veneration of a man or men, cannot be truly Islamic.

    The real joke is on your delusional kind, those considering the polytheist Shi’sm, as Islamic… as true sharia.

    Now, say a few “hail Ali’s” and crawl back into your polytheist cesspool.

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    So you’re a Sunni. That’s nice.
    , @Bill
    Yeah. Protestant = Sunni. Catholic = Shia. Well, not = exactly.
    , @CalDre

    Any faith which includes as an important aspect of its dogma, a hyper-veneration of a man or men, cannot be truly Islamic.
     
    Is that so, oh Wahhabist takfiri idiot? So I guess Judaim's veneration of Adam, Noah, Moses, et al means it's not a religion; Christians' veneration of Jesus mean Christianity is out; and you camel fucking Saudis' hyper-veneration of Mohammed means you aren't Islamic.

    Now say Alluhah Akbar 100 times and fall back into your Wahhabi genocidal cesspool.
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  174. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria
    Jews from Israel and the former USSR have been swarming into the "unfortunate" Germany.

    "Tens of Thousands of Jews Leaving Israel for Germany": http://americanfreepress.net/tens-of-thousands-of-jews-leaving-israel-for-germany/
    "A growing exodus of young Israelis to Berlin has not only shocked Israel’s far right leadership but has highlighted the growing disillusionment with Zionism among Israel’s younger generation."

    "Germany Is Moving To End Mass Immigration of Jews From Russia": https://forward.com/news/4029/germany-is-moving-to-end-mass-immigration-of-jews/
    "The mass migration of Jews from the former Soviet Union to Germany likely will come to a swift end with the introduction of a new law drawn up by Germany's 16-state governments. German authorities presented the new restrictions on Jewish immigration..."

    There are about a million Israelis living in America. Some are those fake Jewish Russians who used Israel as a stop on the way to America. Many are Mizrahi and Sephardi tired of being treated like Palestinians. Many are observing the ancient Jewish tradition of evading the draft. Most left for a better life elsewhere.

    A few are propagandists keeping the
    holocaust haunted American Jews in line and the money flowing from the America. taxpayer to Israel. They’re mostly in NYC and Los Angeles.

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    "Former Holocaust Claims Conference Director Sentenced to Eight Years in Prison for $57.3 Million Fraud:" https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2013/former-holocaust-claims-conference-director-sentenced-to-eight-years-in-prison-for-57.3-million-fraud-on-organization-that-makes-reparations-to-victims-of-nazi-persecution
    “As the highest-ranking insider to participate in this fraud against the Holocaust Claims Conference, Mr. Domnitser played an integral role in the scheme by processing fraudulent applications to the conference and turning a profit of thousands of dollars for himself.”

    "Holocaust Fund Was Defrauded:" https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/nyregion/10holocaust.html
    "Over 16 years, the suspects used fake identification documents, doctored government records and a knowledge of Holocaust history to defraud the fund of more than $42 million."

    A sample of a happy Holo-biz fraudster: http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/tag/holocaust-fraud/

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  175. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Iran’s best option in the event of a war might be to attack American troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As Islamic war of liberation against the “crusaders”. There are supposedly 15,000 American troops in Afghanistan and 9,000 in Iraq.
     
    Something better than nothing then. I hope everyone of those evil scum gets captured... alive.

    I have no stomach for all those barbaric head chopping videos from some time back. But, I would make an exception for the 24000 you mention above. I would especially look for the hook noses wearing a kippah or a starry trinket.

    There won’t be any Jews fighting Iran. It will all be Americans. The IDF only fights unarmed Palestinians.

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  176. annamaria says:
    @macilrae
    Any attack on Iran would have to be initiated by the USA alone - the Israelis' aversion to taking any sort of losses guarantees that they would remain 'hands-off' until they were absolutely certain the Iranians' (and probably Hezbollah's) missile capabilities had been eliminated. Only then would the fearless Israeli air-force swing into bold action - bombing at will and with more guile and creativity than the Americans.

    Israel would have let it be known, through back-channels, that any retaliation from Iran, following an initial American attack, would trigger an immediate nuclear response. If this then transpired, the media would present Israel as rightly responding to an unprovoked and existential attack - with images of mutilated Israeli babies - the eternal victim.

    It seems to me that the Israelis can now get away with almost anything because any effective opposition, on the necessary scale, would only be able to organize by putting its case through the media.

    Personally, though, I hugely doubt that even Trump's administration would actually carry out an attack on Iran - but on the other hand there is an enormous incentive on the part of his handlers to make this appear likely.

    “It seems to me that the Israelis can now get away with almost anything…”
    – Actually, the people of the world are awakening to the zionists’ bloody machinations.
    The MSM has been losing steadily their readership and viewership, understandably. The web made a lot of information available for the thinking and honest people. A degree of public’s disgust towards the Jewish State and the Jewish Lobby has been rising.

    Agree that “there is an enormous incentive on the part of his handlers to carry out an attack on Iran.” Our best hope is a sense of self-preservation among the real “deciders.” It seems that the Russian Federation’ armament works as a deterrent to stupid global military “initiatives” for now.

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    Actually, the people of the world are awakening to the zionists’ bloody machinations.
     
    That is certainly true but a depressing majority of otherwise smart people I meet in Europe, USA and Canada are still in lockstep with the mass media on Russia, Putin and even Israel. Look at what Corbyn is facing in the UK for stating what everybody here knows is only too true.

    Although opinions may be changing the platform doesn't yet exist from which to mount an effective resistance - a platform that the media could provide but staunchly resists.

    Agree that “there is an enormous incentive on the part of his handlers to carry out an attack on Iran.”
     
    Actually I never said that - I said their incentive is to make an attack appear likely. They probably know they won't get their war this time around - after Iraq and Afghanistan the military will surely back away - the USA is in no condition to take on Iran. And as you say, Russia can't be discounted - especially if first use of nukes is contemplated.
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  177. annamaria says:
    @Mike P

    PS. One has to admit that Greasy trolls the Saker comments section good.
     
    Everyone who has read your sophomoric articles already knows that you have not yet reached adulthood - no need to supplement it with inane comments like this one.

    Anatoly Karlin is a real name. His articles are interesting and informative.
    The Greasy William, on the other hand…

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  178. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greasy William

    So where is the Messiah? Who sends his ride ahead of himself?
     
    Figure of speech. The secular are like sandpaper, we will use them until they no longer have value to us and then discard them. Their time will come, but it isn't up yet.

    Btw, you do know that the jewish concept of Messiah (and the muslim concept of Mahdi) comes from the Persian Zoroastrian Saoshyant, right?
     
    Okay, first of all, how dare you compare real religions like Islam and Judaism to a barbaric, joke religion like Zoroastrianism.

    2nd of all, people always say that Judaism borrowed this or that from the faiths of neighboring peoples. I have never seen any proof though, just theories. Our documentation of the ancient world is very poor and involves a great deal of guesswork.

    ...

    Mosiach should come in the next 100 years or so. After he comes there will be no more war, so we need to kill all the Iranians before he gets here because then it will be too late.

    ...

    p.s.: are you black? What do you think about Latinos?

    joke religion like Zoroastrianism.

    Not that I really wish to agree with the greasy Greasy William, but there is surely something really deranged about those Parsis.

    http://anomalyinfo.com/Stories/2003-january-19-tower-silence

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    Christianity owes a lot to the ancient Persian religions.
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  179. annamaria says:
    @Anon
    Here’s a rough time line of the ancient Jewish kingdoms straight from their own bible The Mesopotamians, Egyptians Assyrians and Babylonians and Alexander the Great never mentioned Jews or Judea in their extensive records

    1,000 BC David Solomen Saul, bible claims an independent Jewish state.

    87o BC conquered by Assyria ancient independent Jewish state disappears

    560 BC Babylonia conquers Assyrian territory where Jews live

    325 BC Greek Alexander conquers Babylonia Egypt and absorbs Egyptian territory in which Jews live wth Egypt. Extensive Greek histories don’t mention Jews.

    50 BC Rome conquers Greco Egypt and the Egyptian territory east of Egypt where Jews live. 50 BC more jews lived in Egypt especially Alexandria than in the Jewish territory to the east

    100 AD Jerusalem is important in the new Christian religion.

    324 AD Rome divided into Roman Empire in the west and north and Europe and Eastern Roman Empire known as Byzantine Empire honoring the city of Byzantium later Constantinople later Istanbul. Egypt and Jerusalem become part of the Eastern Roman or Byzantian Empire.

    650AD Due to the Justinian plague, the Mediterranean lands and much of Europe are so depopulated the Muslims of S Arabia easily conquer the western part of the Byzantine Empire in which are Egypt and present day Israel.

    1150 AD crusades

    1300 AD Turks conquer the area.

    1914 to 1922 WW1 Area becomes part of the British Empire. Jewish immigrants allowed to set up the separatist segregated Jewish Agency.

    1948 AD Israel becomes a state again 1,900 years after the alleged maybe did. maybe didn’t exist , state ruled by David Solomon Saul.

    That’s a rough timeline. Until 325 BC? Alexander’s conquest, it’s pretty vague and based on the collection of fairy tales known as the Bible.

    The western wall formerly known as the wailing wall is not part of some fairy tale Temple. It’s a retaining wall built under Roman rule because the civic center Roman headquarters was built on a hill as Roman administrative and army headquarters usually were so as to control the high ground in case of an insurrection by the subject peoples.

    The Romans dumped enough rubble to elevate the bottom of the hill and built a retaining wall to hold it together.

    Sneer at Italians and S Europeans all you want, the Italians sure know how to build.

    So the Jews worship a retaining wall built by the conquering Roman Goyim.

    And idiot British and American zionists and governments believe the Jews . Maybe Jews are geniuses. Maybe the Goyim are idiots.

    Thank you for the important reference:
    “The western wall formerly known as the wailing wall is not part of some fairy tale Temple. It’s a retaining wall built under Roman rule because the civic center Roman headquarters was built on a hill as Roman administrative and army headquarters usually were so as to control the high ground in case of an insurrection by the subject peoples.

    The Romans dumped enough rubble to elevate the bottom of the hill and built a retaining wall to hold it together.

    Sneer at Italians and S Europeans all you want, the Italians sure know how to build.

    So the Jews worship a retaining wall built by the conquering Roman Goyim.”

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  180. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    Mr.A Pilgrim, all you evangelicals will get your own thermonuclear roasting soon enough. Soon. Soon.

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  181. mcohen says:

    Sigh.
    the saker is on a fishing expedition.i went to my favourite itanian shop yesterday.they sell these dried figs about the size of a marble.you leave a few in water and it makes a great drink.now and then a few iranian princesses come to shop.not the ones with scarves or what have you but well dressed and super gorgeous.most will say they are persian and left iran because they said it is backward.all that fools gold is a curse.

    It is a curse of the land
    It is a curse of the people
    It is a curse of the oceans
    Oil is a curse of this planet and will kill it with its gases and its plastics.
    But the road to hell is paved with stupid ideas like the exhaust fumes from vehicles pumped out everyday in the billions of cubic whatever just floats away.floats away.birdie bye bye

    Yes floats away so not my problem
    Sit in an enclosed space with the engine running and you die.surely this should be warning enough
    They ban plastic bags at the supermarket and everybody goes crazy.

    Truly we are all fucked

    So yes bomb iranian oil fields and close the straits.force the price of oil up and make it only available to those that can afford it.
    $500 per barrel is the only way to save this planet.notice how the president of Venezuela nearly got presi dented last week.guess whose next????

    The chess pieces are no more black vs white but green vs red

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    So you live WLA BH?
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  182. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    I think Greasy William is having everybody on.

    Greasy William, bacon grease I hope.

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  183. peterAUS says:
    @Greasy William

    With a correct IP a a lot can be done.
     
    Not without a subpoena or without being a super hacker. Pretty sure he doesn't have a subpoena and isn't a super hacker.

    And he doesn't have a correct IP. At most he has the proxy I was using when I typed that.

    O.K.

    One day, when you have time/inclination, take a look at:

    I’d change “super hacker” into “medium level”. Those who are experts, say, with Kali but can’t, by themselves, develop Zero Day exploits.
    “Subpoena” you say? Funny. Sorry, just me.

    As for the second paragraph…yes and no. Depends who‘s after you.

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    That video just said that governments can track you down if they want to and that apparently they don't even need your IP to do so. We are talking about something way outside the ability of a "medium level" hacker here.
    , @Anonymous
    That was a pretty funny video.

    Let's think about this for a second. The easiest part is probably getting the IP address his used to post his message. Maybe you find a friendly person in Mr Unz's organization who has access to the connections logs, assuming he keeps them, and they give it to you. Maybe you get one of those super elite hackers you live in fear of and you they use mystic powers to break into the server and download the logs. However you come by it let's assume you have the IP address. How would use use it to establish someones identity?

    Pretty much anyone who cares even a little about privacy uses at least a VPN or TOR or both. So congratulations. You have now acquired the IP address of a TOR exit node or VPN server.

    So now what?

    If your target is concerned about privacy the VPN is probably located in a country with strong privacy laws meaning that even if you pony up cash for lawyers your subpoena would likely be rejected except in specific cases. Hint: somebody hurt my feeewwings on the internet is not one of them. Even if they accept the subpoena it doesn't matter since good VPN services don't retain logs.
    There are plenty of jurisdictions that are like this and many others that are outright hostile to western law enforcement. The IP of a TOR exit node is even less useful.

    At this point unless you have US government resources that is pretty much the end of the story.

    Sure, some people take elaborate measures to remain anonymous but it really isn't necessary as even the simplest things provide considerable protections against everyone except government agencies. Honestly I'd be pretty flattered if someone were to spend that kind of political capital just because I said something they didn't like on the internet.
    , @FB
    I always love how Pototahead Peter always talks so authoritatively about things he knows nothing about...

    Read about Ross Ulbricht who ran the Silk Road online drug market and how he was finally nabbed...because he had once left his email on a forum post, and which email address contained his actual full name...

    There are drug markets operating online 24/7 using bitcoin for payment, and using US Postal Service and UPS to send purchases to customers...they have no way to track anybody or find anybody...the only way they ever intercept a package is by chance or poor packaging, like where you have a pill container rattling around in there...LOL...

    You're so stupid it makes a grown man want to cry...
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  184. annamaria says:
    @Anon
    There are about a million Israelis living in America. Some are those fake Jewish Russians who used Israel as a stop on the way to America. Many are Mizrahi and Sephardi tired of being treated like Palestinians. Many are observing the ancient Jewish tradition of evading the draft. Most left for a better life elsewhere.

    A few are propagandists keeping the
    holocaust haunted American Jews in line and the money flowing from the America. taxpayer to Israel. They’re mostly in NYC and Los Angeles.

    “Former Holocaust Claims Conference Director Sentenced to Eight Years in Prison for $57.3 Million Fraud:” https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2013/former-holocaust-claims-conference-director-sentenced-to-eight-years-in-prison-for-57.3-million-fraud-on-organization-that-makes-reparations-to-victims-of-nazi-persecution
    “As the highest-ranking insider to participate in this fraud against the Holocaust Claims Conference, Mr. Domnitser played an integral role in the scheme by processing fraudulent applications to the conference and turning a profit of thousands of dollars for himself.”

    “Holocaust Fund Was Defrauded:” https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/nyregion/10holocaust.html
    “Over 16 years, the suspects used fake identification documents, doctored government records and a knowledge of Holocaust history to defraud the fund of more than $42 million.”

    A sample of a happy Holo-biz fraudster: http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/tag/holocaust-fraud/

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  185. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels
    "It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War. "

    But not crazy to kill them in large numbers?

    War brings out the finest in sophisticated ethical reasoning! Thank the Big Bang that America is secular enough not to sacrifice innocent young lives to the god of war.

    14 year old boys only became children about 1920 in the USA, later in parts of the world.

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  186. skrik says:
    @Johnny Rico
    The issue is complex. Hasegawa wrote an excellent book on the subject. I would read it if you are looking for answers and insight.

    I would also recommend reading David Glantz' 'August Storm.' It is available free on the internet or, at least, from some electronic library systems. It provides an excellent analysis of the Russian invasion of Manchuria. The breathless comments about Stalin causing the Japanese surrender are made by people who don't understand this military history.

    The simple judgement provided in that soundbite that one thing was more important than the other is misleading.

    Stalin talked a lot of shit. The atomic bomb completely surprised him. There was no mention the next day in Moscow of the event. You would think there would have been for a number of reasons.

    The narrative maintained by the neo-Stalinists here is intellectually dishonest and convenient.

    There was no possibility of the Russians invading the Japanese Homeland islands as they had no navy or amphibious landing craft for the task.

    The decision to surrender was a complicated affair with various camps within the Japanese power structure having different interests, having access to different information, exerting different amounts of influence on the Emperor, and changing stances.

    The knowledge that Stalin was no longer abiding by the non-agression pact between Japan and Russia and was now engaged in an opportunistic land grab after NOT fighting the Japanese at all for the previous four years was much more important than any military achievements in Manchuria.

    No, in the Pacific, the United States did ALL the lifting and Russia did NOTHING.

    The narrative maintained by the neo-Stalinists here is intellectually dishonest and convenient

    One needn’t be a neo-anything to question the ‘standard US narrative,’ just a truth-seeker. That the ‘Western’ rogue-regimes lie, especially the FUKUSIL ones, is hardly contested these days: It is now ‘a given.’

    One may wonder what Johnny Rico&Co need to be, to swallow the ‘standard US narrative’ whole. But, of course, we don’t need to know what Johnny Rico&Co are [who could care?] Here’s a partial quote:

    But it remained for the yyy, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, …

    Now, following Sherlock Holmes, IF the US rogue-regime, say, is the ‘yyy’ here, THEN it would pay us to look for alternatives to this particular ‘standard US H&N A-bomb narrative;’ let’ see:

    1. The US A-bombs cost a real motser; there’d be hell to pay if they weren’t ‘cashed in’ for ‘best’ value. Hence the ‘½mio’ [give or take; YMMV] US casualty estimate for invading.

    2. The US wanted to ‘send a signal’ to the USSR: ‘You could very well be next!’

    3. But acutely, the US rogue-regime really, really wanted to get data from *live targets*.

    It is not unlikely that the estimates of killed and wounded in Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) are over conservative

    Mostly innocents, note; the 3 target cities were kept ‘pristine’ in reserve; had they been ‘legitimate’ war targets, not to attack them like US did most other cities would be seen as ‘aiding the enemy.’

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  187. …is a troll.

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  188. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    This coming from the same Anatoly Karlin who bans / censors those who make on topic & varied comments about his posted references in his articles concerning the fake & impossible '6M Jews / holocaust'.

    Free speech only goes so far for Anatoly Karlin.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/20180118_outrage.png?itok=RhdJTA4x

    www.codoh.com

    (((Anatoly Karlin))) is the only one on Unz that censors people. He did the same to me.

    I guess he values the truth only when he can control the narrative.

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    Except that he is not (((he))). Genetically he’s overwhelmingly Russian and Lak, in that order, followed by no more than ten percent combined of italian and Jewish and perhaps others.

    http://akarlin.com/about/
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  189. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @edNels
    Expendable, disposable presidents:

    It appears that the Neocons have a basic strategy which goes like this: “we hate Trump and everything he represents, but we also control him; let’s use him to do all the crazy stuff no sane US President would ever do, and then let’s use the fallout of these crazy decisions and blame it all on Trump; this way we get all that we want and we get to destroy Trump in the process only to replace him with one of “our guys” when the time is right“
     
    You are correct about this but that is just normal costs of business and is usual throughout the self described free world, in the concept of replaceable leaders.
    In most organizations with a few exceptions like cults of personality it is considered a great source of strength and pride that the system can regenerate and correct its problems by its timely and orderly replacement of bad or old management as a maintenance function including through use of term limits, if not other attrition even the over rated impeachement process, (much less getting rid of him) to ensure, reinforce, the system

    So what benefits to who? (MOFU's of course!). This makes possible any horrible campaign or unpopular war or what ever doable with PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY___!

    You gotta put somebody up there to take the flack when you make the moves that they want, knowing that they have to be removed from it, (at arms length, so to speak.)

    Ships sink, planes dive into mountains, etc. etc. etc. "It was just a fluke of a fallible human.'' (While the captain sleeps off a hangover in his cabin… or president runs amok like Caligula… ("Oh gee, who would have ever guessed that?)



    T is classic… ! Who would ever be able to follow the first n pres, the first female, (though not consummated as elected, fills the spot some sort of way, while half the country refuses to snap out of the dilution…! Well how about a red headed stepchildso easy to hate, with a line of common sense solutions, maybe not too much follow through, for the true believers, hahaha.

    INOwords Saker over thinks this point because it is really at the heart of the purpose of renewable democracy ideological operations. Otherwise great article of course.

    That’s exactly what the Jews did with Nixon: affirnatuve action, making Hispanics and Asians eligible for affirmative action, section 8, massive federal funding for radical legal foundations,

    paying state and local governments billions in CETA and EEOA money to hire nothing but affirmative action dreck massive extended welfare

    opening to China thus sending all our factories to China at behest of people like Richard Blum, Senator Feinstein’s husband massive immigration of Chinese including spies

    and finally, sending every American tank in Europe to Israel to use in the 1973 war along with thousands of American soldiers and vast amounts of war materiels

    And after Nixon obeyed all the Jews orders the Jews got rid of him.

    The inflation of the 1970s was caused by Nixon and his handler Kissinger sending the tanks and troops to Israel.

    The Saudi and other Arab ambassadors tried to protest Kissinger ordered the state department to refuse to speak with or respond to them.
    The King of Saudi Arabia called Nixon several times to protest. Nixon refused to take the calls

    The king raised the price of Saudi oil setting off a terrible inflation which our useless government did nothing to control.

    Nixon was a Jewish stooge. He was rewarded by being forced to resign by the Jewish press.

    Same thing pretty much happened with Johnson. It was Jews being subject to the draft in the Vietnam war that did for him.

    All those Jews he helped out of Germany before WW2, dropping Kennedy’s demand that AIPAC register as agent if a foreign country, dropping Kennedy’s investigation of Israel’s nuclear program

    all those anti White great society programs and the 65 immigration law and 68 affirmative action law didn’t help him.

    Our Presidents are like the African chiefs appointed by the colonial powers in 1900.

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  190. pyrrhus says:
    @Greasy William
    There will be no AngloZionist attack on Iran. The Saker has been promising such an attack for at least 4 years now and it has never materialized and will never materialize.

    The AngloZionist/Wahhabi (AZW from now on) coalition is in in a position of great strength. In an era of war by proxy, the AZW know that a direct assault against the Resistance Axis (RA from now on) would be counter productive.

    When we are talking about the AZW conflict versus the RA, it is very important that we define the goals of both sides. Everybody knows what the RA's goal is: to steal the Land of Israel from it's rightful Jewish owners. But rarely are the goals of the AZW coalition explicitly spelled out. Understanding the AZW's goals are critical to understand AZW grand strategy. They are as follows:

    1. The expansion of the State of Israel's borders from their current provisional state to the final Nile to Euphrates borders that are promised to the Jewish People in the Torah

    2. The complete destruction of the fictitious states of Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen and the physical extermination of every (non Kurdish) man, woman and child residing in said states

    3. The physical extermination of all Shiite Muslims (world wide, not just regionally)

    4. The physical extermination of all Arab Christians (see above)

    With these goals in mind, we can begin to understand AZW strategy. A direct attack on Iran would not open up the way to achieving either Greater Israel nor the genocide of the Lebanese/Syrian/Iranian/Yemenite "people". Rather the AZW coaliton will just continue to squeeze and squeeze.

    This squeezing strategy has been remarkably successful thus far. The world has by and large forgotten about and abandoned the Palestinians, even the Palestinians' Arab brothers no longer pay them any attention. With the defeat of the Palestinians, the AZW has been able over the last 7 years to begin a proxy offensive directly in the RA's own homelands.

    As late as 2011, Lebanon/Syria/Iran/Yemen were prosperous countries where the people were happy and optimistic about their futures. Today, everyone in said countries knows that they have no future at all, not even a bad one. While it is true that Assad is still in power, he controls a war devastated, rump Syria that is certain to never be rebuilt in his lifetime. Israeli air strikes against Syria have once again shown the world that G-d is on the side of the Jewish People and that the RA has no means to retaliate against Israeli attacks, or even defend against them. The IDF, normally afraid of bad publicity, has published it's plan for the next war with Lebanon. The plan includes a direct, genocidal attack against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure which will lead to the largest humanitarian crisis since WWII. Cut off from Western and Saudi aid, the Lebanese people will die en masse from starvation and disease, even if Hezbollah is somehow able to win the war (Hezbollah will not win, but it needs to be understood that even if Hezbollah does so, it still would not prevent the complete liquidation of the fake terror state of "Lebanon" and the population therein).

    In Yemen, the AZW assault is more direct. Using the Saudi army, the AZW coalition continues to tighten the noose around the Houthis. Hundreds of thousands of Yemenites have already been massacred by the AZW forces and the rate of extermination continues to pick up pace every day. Although I don't wish to put a timeline on the Yemen operation, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we achieve the Final Solution to the Houthi question in the next 2 years.

    So this brings us to Iran. Is the AZW coalition going to directly attack Iran? Of course not! Remember, the goal is not merely to halt the Iranian aggression against the Jewish people; rather the goal is to exterminate the Iranian people entirely. An AZW regime change operation would only push back the inevitable war between "Iran" and Israel. Iran is isolated and weak and the AZW coalition is bleeding it white in Syria and Lebanon. Thousands of Iranian dogs have been sent to Hell by the AZW forces since the Syrian Civil War began, and this is set to continue in conjunction with the increasingly severe financial problems that Iran is having. Further, the Creator, blessed be He, has wracked Iran with devastating droughts which are further weakening this disgusting, bandit state.

    Now, hypothetically, if the AZW coalition did in fact want to launch a large scale regime change operation in Iran, it could do so easily. The Iranian political and military leadership would be killed in the first few days of the conflict and all organized resistance would cease after 2 to 4 weeks. The AZW coalition would not even bother to occupy the country, instead having ethnic minority militias just carve it up, leaving a leaderless, rump Iran. But as I have explained above, this simply is not congruent with AZW grand strategy so it is all moot.

    I agree, there will be no attack, and can be no attack….But the Saker has ignored another consequence of an attack on Iran’s oil fields, which would be rocketing oil prices that would thrown the whole world into a deep recession/depression….The neocons are too stupid to understand this, but the WH should.

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  191. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria
    How authoritative is your opinion? A lot of righteous Jews think of the zionist warmongers as the traitors to Jewish people (the People of Israel). http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1506.htm
    The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

    FIRST -- Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel. ... a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." ...

    SECOND -- ... the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah. ...

    THIRD Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. ...

    FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel."

    The anti Israel orthodox faction is very happy with Israel. The draft exemption separate neighborhoods schools and cultures and 4 generations living on generous welfare instead of any kind of work did it.

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  192. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    '...The problem is that the US and the EU are collapsing economically from the terminal vampire financial capitalism dominated by the FAANG/FIRE/MICC/corporate consumption sector.

    They need tribute from neo-colonial plantation vassel states and the tap is running dry, resulting in ever increasing attacks on oil and mineral resource rich countries such as Iran, Venezuela and Russia...'
     
    Bingo...the tap is running dry indeed...the ponzi scheme is about to collapse and the only way to prop it up is squeezing more blood from the vassal turnips...not going to work...

    We are a colony of China as we buy almost all manufactured products from China and they buy nothing from us.

    They do get science and tech from us, but that’s stolen by the Chinese nationals who do all the American research.

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  193. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @UncommonGround

    More here: http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/co
     
    Künzel had been a communist militant of the far left. The events of 1989 must have been a shock for him and he must have understood that he had no future. Imagine yourself after 1989 having studied political sciences or history and having a far left background at that time. You had nothing at all, it must have been a hard situation for those people, I imagine. So, it seems that he sought someone who could support him, give him some perspectives. He became then a member of the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism (SICSA) of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem He has now some very original views. Single handedly he seems to have discovered that Arabs are Nazis (or like Nazis), or something like that, I don't know exactly. Above everything he fights antisemtism and antiisraelism which he discovers everywhere, mostly in Arab countries even if he doesn't speak Arabian, but he has a special nose for such things. He detects antisemitism in Arab countries very easily (with the nose, as he apparently doesn't speak Arabian). He also became a rabid antiiranist. Already years ago a specialist demolished his views, Alexander Flores, and since them a few other experts have criticised him very strongly. Even critical Jews have laughed about him (in the web site arendt-art). On the other hand he has been able to publish articles in newspapers like: in The Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, The New Republic, Policy Review and Telos and has the support of people like Henryk Broder. (see wikipedia article in German about him).

    Are all communists Jews, or all Jews communists?

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  194. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria
    Jews from Israel and the former USSR have been swarming into the "unfortunate" Germany.

    "Tens of Thousands of Jews Leaving Israel for Germany": http://americanfreepress.net/tens-of-thousands-of-jews-leaving-israel-for-germany/
    "A growing exodus of young Israelis to Berlin has not only shocked Israel’s far right leadership but has highlighted the growing disillusionment with Zionism among Israel’s younger generation."

    "Germany Is Moving To End Mass Immigration of Jews From Russia": https://forward.com/news/4029/germany-is-moving-to-end-mass-immigration-of-jews/
    "The mass migration of Jews from the former Soviet Union to Germany likely will come to a swift end with the introduction of a new law drawn up by Germany's 16-state governments. German authorities presented the new restrictions on Jewish immigration..."

    When will we hear the howling and yowling about anti Semitism?

    The Jewish and Muslim immigrants will enrich and vibrantize Germany as they fight for most favored minority status.

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    Yep, until Muslims become an outright majority.
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  195. @peterAUS
    O.K.

    One day, when you have time/inclination, take a look at:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmfoovHj2Y

    I'd change "super hacker" into "medium level". Those who are experts, say, with Kali but can't, by themselves, develop Zero Day exploits.
    "Subpoena" you say? Funny. Sorry, just me.

    As for the second paragraph...yes and no. Depends who's after you.

    That video just said that governments can track you down if they want to and that apparently they don’t even need your IP to do so. We are talking about something way outside the ability of a “medium level” hacker here.

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    That video just said that governments can track you down if they want to and that apparently they don’t even need your IP to do so.
     
    Not just governments.......
    Besides, not all governments can do that. Actually only a few can.
    And a few other players too.

    As for this:


    We are talking about something way outside the ability of a “medium level” hacker here.
     
    can't say I agree.
    The first step would be to get the IP address. Something tells me that's doable for that "medium level" hacker. Several ways to do that, if he/she really wants it. The key isn't ability but dedication.
    The next steps would be utilizing that IP address properly. Again, that "medium level" guy can do that if dedicated enough.

    I guess it boils down to how dedicated a bunch of guys/girls can be to mess up with you, personally. That's something I'd, if I were you, take into account.

    Say, a combination of emotion your posts most likely create, with a bunch of dedicated people of certain ethnic/religious origin.

    Granted, if you, at the other hand, put equal, "medium level" precautions/defense that offsets that. Do you?

    Anyway.....

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  196. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    O’Reilly the revisionist.

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  197. renfro says:
    @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    Really?….great!… in honor of your support we’ll buckle you onto the first nuke to Tehran and send you on your way.

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  198. peterAUS says:
    @Greasy William
    That video just said that governments can track you down if they want to and that apparently they don't even need your IP to do so. We are talking about something way outside the ability of a "medium level" hacker here.

    That video just said that governments can track you down if they want to and that apparently they don’t even need your IP to do so.

    Not just governments…….
    Besides, not all governments can do that. Actually only a few can.
    And a few other players too.

    As for this:

    We are talking about something way outside the ability of a “medium level” hacker here.

    can’t say I agree.
    The first step would be to get the IP address. Something tells me that’s doable for that “medium level” hacker. Several ways to do that, if he/she really wants it. The key isn’t ability but dedication.
    The next steps would be utilizing that IP address properly. Again, that “medium level” guy can do that if dedicated enough.

    I guess it boils down to how dedicated a bunch of guys/girls can be to mess up with you, personally. That’s something I’d, if I were you, take into account.

    Say, a combination of emotion your posts most likely create, with a bunch of dedicated people of certain ethnic/religious origin.

    Granted, if you, at the other hand, put equal, “medium level” precautions/defense that offsets that. Do you?

    Anyway…..

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    The first step would be to get the IP address. Something tells me that’s doable for that “medium level” hacker.
     
    Getting the displayed IP address is trivial, I agree with that. But I'm behind a proxy as I assume most on here are. Either that or something like TOR.

    Getting the real IP address, assuming I'm not just posting from a coffee shop or hacking my neighbors wifi (I'm not) would require much more skill but I agree it's doable.

    The next steps would be utilizing that IP address properly.
     
    This is the hard part. To translate an IP into meaningful personal info, there are the following options:

    1. Get a subpoena
    2. Hack the ISP and find the account connected to the IP and then decrypt all the info therein
    3. Use "social engineering" to pretend to be an employee or contractor and get the ISP to just voluntarily hand over the account details to you

    1 is out of the question, obviously. 2 is theoretically doable but I'm not sure it has ever been done by any non state actor. 3 is really the only way and while I guess it is possible, it is very unlikely and I'm not sure how it would work given the social engineering protections that even a shitty ISP like Comcast (incidentally, my ISP) uses.

    Say, a combination of emotion your posts most likely create, with a bunch of dedicated people of certain ethnic/religious origin.
     
    That's where you lose me. No Arabs or Muslims care about my comments. My comments are meant to offend pro Syria/Iran westerners and those are the people who tend to go crazy in reaction to my posts. If ever there was a group of people to not be afraid of, it is them. I could give them my social security number, all my bank accounts and a DNA sample and they still wouldn't be able to do anything. You are talking about the most useless people to ever exist.

    Granted, if you, at the other hand, put equal, “medium level” precautions/defense that offsets that. Do you?
     
    I use a proxy. No need to get fancy.
    , @skrik

    with a bunch of dedicated people of certain ethnic/religious origin
     
    Q: How do you make a small fortune with a restaurant? A: Start with a large one. Haw.

    IF one were to set out to threaten some mafia [who said Khazar?], THEN one should 1st belong to a larger mafia [in the Khazar case, larger/worse = non-existent]. This is why 'truth + justice = peace' activists generally avoid thoughts, let alone threats, of violence. Even when 'turned off,' Cloudflare most probably can see every keystroke, that includes mine, yours and Greasy W's [who likely has a 'hotline' connection available to Cloudflare's controllers, at least to get its - trolls are by definition sexless - instructions]. Since we all [should] know that Greasy W is a Z-troll, the only reason I can see for you to continue to 'converse' with it would be as some sort of 'controlled opposition' [most charitable view, if not worse = active 'black hat'], thus enabling further propagation of 'enemy' propaganda.

    Generally - perhaps you shouldn't take this personally - I'm always amused how some people ['clever dicks?] think they can get any value out of conversing with trolls. Their job is to 'paint it blackest,' who would want that? Proof is Greasy says one of its aims, writing as 'we,' is to do multiple genocides. Fits.

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  199. Avery says:
    @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    {It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War}

    Oh, I don’t know.
    Number one: the youth _volunteered_ to help save their country from a well armed invader, not shy about using chemical weapons against Iranians.
    Number two: no more crazy than a large group of Orthodox Jews celebrating the killing of a Palestinian baby by repeatedly, joyfully stabbing its picture.
    How about it?

    {It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.}

    You guys keep repeating this lie over and over again.
    Iran leadership has not threatened to, quote , ‘annihilate’ Israel*.

    [In the words of Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister: "They are the leaders of Iran who called for a new Holocaust and who vowed to wipe Israel off the map."] (a lie)

    [Al Jazeera's Teymoor Nabili talks to Dan Meridor, Israel's minister of intelligence and atomic energy and deputy prime minister, about this and questions him over Israeli politicians' claims that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, said Iran would 'wipe Israel out'.]

    ["They [Iranian leaders] all come basically ideologically, religiously with the statement that Israel is an unnatural creature, it will not survive,” Meridor says. “They didn’t say ‘we’ll wipe it out’, you are right, but ‘it will not survive, it is a cancerous tumour, it should be removed’. They repeatedly said ‘Israel is not legitimate, it should not exist’.”]

    Yeah, true, hostile words, but nowhere near the menacing words “wiped off the map” or “annihilate”. And no more hostile than McCain singing “….Bomb, bomb, bomb,….bomb,bomb Iran….la,la,la……”
    or
    Candidate Hillary Clinton promising to “obliterate Iran” if Iran were to attack Israel.

    {….over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.}

    Don’t Jews celebrate Purim?
    Something that supposedly happened about 1,500 years ago?
    Am I wrong?

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    https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/04/2012413151613293582.html

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  200. renfro says:

    Unfortunately, Israel is supported by perhaps 100 million Zionist Christians in the US

    100 million?….there are only 300 million people in the US equating to only 126 million households. According to the US religious census Christian Zionist sects cant number more than 5 million people.

    But Jews seeking to deflect responsibility from the Jews away try to inflate the numbers as you are doing.

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  201. @Anon
    Here’s a rough time line of the ancient Jewish kingdoms straight from their own bible The Mesopotamians, Egyptians Assyrians and Babylonians and Alexander the Great never mentioned Jews or Judea in their extensive records

    1,000 BC David Solomen Saul, bible claims an independent Jewish state.

    87o BC conquered by Assyria ancient independent Jewish state disappears

    560 BC Babylonia conquers Assyrian territory where Jews live

    325 BC Greek Alexander conquers Babylonia Egypt and absorbs Egyptian territory in which Jews live wth Egypt. Extensive Greek histories don’t mention Jews.

    50 BC Rome conquers Greco Egypt and the Egyptian territory east of Egypt where Jews live. 50 BC more jews lived in Egypt especially Alexandria than in the Jewish territory to the east

    100 AD Jerusalem is important in the new Christian religion.

    324 AD Rome divided into Roman Empire in the west and north and Europe and Eastern Roman Empire known as Byzantine Empire honoring the city of Byzantium later Constantinople later Istanbul. Egypt and Jerusalem become part of the Eastern Roman or Byzantian Empire.

    650AD Due to the Justinian plague, the Mediterranean lands and much of Europe are so depopulated the Muslims of S Arabia easily conquer the western part of the Byzantine Empire in which are Egypt and present day Israel.

    1150 AD crusades

    1300 AD Turks conquer the area.

    1914 to 1922 WW1 Area becomes part of the British Empire. Jewish immigrants allowed to set up the separatist segregated Jewish Agency.

    1948 AD Israel becomes a state again 1,900 years after the alleged maybe did. maybe didn’t exist , state ruled by David Solomon Saul.

    That’s a rough timeline. Until 325 BC? Alexander’s conquest, it’s pretty vague and based on the collection of fairy tales known as the Bible.

    The western wall formerly known as the wailing wall is not part of some fairy tale Temple. It’s a retaining wall built under Roman rule because the civic center Roman headquarters was built on a hill as Roman administrative and army headquarters usually were so as to control the high ground in case of an insurrection by the subject peoples.

    The Romans dumped enough rubble to elevate the bottom of the hill and built a retaining wall to hold it together.

    Sneer at Italians and S Europeans all you want, the Italians sure know how to build.

    So the Jews worship a retaining wall built by the conquering Roman Goyim.

    And idiot British and American zionists and governments believe the Jews . Maybe Jews are geniuses. Maybe the Goyim are idiots.

    The ancient Egyptians also had nothing to say about Jews or any Israeli kingdom or civilization. None. Why? The Jewish ‘kingdom of David’ either never existed or it was of no significance.

    On the other hand, the ancient ‘Jews’ obsess about the Egyptians (and their extraordinary accomplishments) hundreds of times in their miracle-drenched ‘holy’ book–which today looks very much like a silly collection of ethnocentric fairy tales.

    Jews were a jealous, superstitious and deceptive people then, and they still are.

    There’s also no corabborating archeological evidence to sustain any of the fanciful yarns found in the Torah, including the exodus. Not a shred. Nothing. It’s all cooked up.

    But there are immense, impressive and undeniable monuments as well as physical evidence for the glorious existence of the ancient Persian, Roman and Greek civilizations–not to mention the Egyptians.

    In comparison, the Jews were–at best–a second rate tribe in the ancient world whose descendents concocted a copious collection of unbelievable myths, many of which are contradictory or totally inconsistent with science, nature and real human history.

    Recent evidence suggests that the Jews may have borrowed many of their religious fables from the ancient Sumerians, who existed thousands of years before Abraham was ever even imagined.

    The precarious, a-scientific collection of yarns amassed by the Jews helps explain why these voracious parasites remain the Western world’s foremost censors.

    Intellectual freedom threatens their vast library of libels, calumnies, and strategic falsehoods.

    It is surely no accident or coincidence that the Jews continue to be the world’s most feared, most disliked, and least-trusted people.

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  202. Avery says:
    @Bliss

    Iran is a theocracy, but why do you consider it crazy? What exactly have they done that can be remotely considered crazy?
     
    It was crazy and criminal of the ayatollahs to use children as suicide minesweepers in the Iran-Iraq War.

    It is crazy of them to keep threatening Israel with annihilation.

    It is crazy of them to beat, whip and cut themselves yearly over something that happened over 13 centuries ago.

    More here:

    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-demons

    ……aaaaaaand one for the road:

    [By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem2:25PM GMT 29 Feb 2008
    A senior Israeli politician provoked controversy today when he warned that Palestinians firing rockets from Gaza would be punished with a "bigger holocaust" from Israeli armed forces.
    The use of the Hebrew word for holocaust, "shoah", tends to be used exclusively in Israel to describe the Nazi persecution of Jews. ]

    So, a senior Israeli politician threatens to commit genocide** against Palestinians for firing some ineffectual rockets at Israel which rarely kill anyone, and if they do, the numbers are quite small. [From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and at least 11 Palestinians] (Wiki).

    Which party would you say is the crazier one?
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    [Israeli minister vows Palestinian 'holocaust']

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1580339/Israeli-minister-vows-Palestinian-holocaust.html

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  203. @MarkU
    If there is one thing we have learned over the last few decades it is that there is nothing too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, demented or evil for the US to do.

    Just a few months ago Iran was quite willingly and certifiably honouring the terms of the nuclear deal, now they are quite possibly going to be subjected to a completely unprovoked attack, with or without some (probably fabricated) Casus belli.

    Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can't prevent this ghastly scenario? It seems doubtful that the Europeans will do anything, they have been craven enough to go along with the US on the Russia "threat" despite them having a military budget nearly four times larger than that of the RF and a population about three times bigger (The Europeans have even for all intents and purposes sanctioned themselves at the behest of the US) Do we seriously believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly by while Iran is being bombed and its oil bearing regions invaded? Potentially nuclear armed missiles flying around near the southern border of Russia anyone?

    If anyone has seen the 1984 nuclear war drama "Threads" they will be noticing an eerie similarity.

    Has there ever been a more murderous and evil bunch of filth than Washington’s politicians and their Jewish owners?

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  204. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS
    O.K.

    One day, when you have time/inclination, take a look at:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmfoovHj2Y

    I'd change "super hacker" into "medium level". Those who are experts, say, with Kali but can't, by themselves, develop Zero Day exploits.
    "Subpoena" you say? Funny. Sorry, just me.

    As for the second paragraph...yes and no. Depends who's after you.

    That was a pretty funny video.

    Let’s think about this for a second. The easiest part is probably getting the IP address his used to post his message. Maybe you find a friendly person in Mr Unz’s organization who has access to the connections logs, assuming he keeps them, and they give it to you. Maybe you get one of those super elite hackers you live in fear of and you they use mystic powers to break into the server and download the logs. However you come by it let’s assume you have the IP address. How would use use it to establish someones identity?

    Pretty much anyone who cares even a little about privacy uses at least a VPN or TOR or both. So congratulations. You have now acquired the IP address of a TOR exit node or VPN server.

    So now what?

    If your target is concerned about privacy the VPN is probably located in a country with strong privacy laws meaning that even if you pony up cash for lawyers your subpoena would likely be rejected except in specific cases. Hint: somebody hurt my feeewwings on the internet is not one of them. Even if they accept the subpoena it doesn’t matter since good VPN services don’t retain logs.
    There are plenty of jurisdictions that are like this and many others that are outright hostile to western law enforcement. The IP of a TOR exit node is even less useful.

    At this point unless you have US government resources that is pretty much the end of the story.

    Sure, some people take elaborate measures to remain anonymous but it really isn’t necessary as even the simplest things provide considerable protections against everyone except government agencies. Honestly I’d be pretty flattered if someone were to spend that kind of political capital just because I said something they didn’t like on the internet.

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    O.K.

    Let's say "not bad". Tor, VPN, subpoena and such. Agree.

    You've, though, just touched the most important element in all that: people.
    As


    ....find a.....person..
     
    Let's put it this way: (some believe) there is no (IT) security without physical security, meaning physical access to actual hardware. From SAN solution to the demarcation point.....and everything in between.

    All (proper) systems are monitored and maintained by people.

    All this I.T. "thing" looks and feels so.....smart.
    It isn't.

    From actual hardware to, more importantly, processes, procedures and people who keep all that running.
    Just 3 months working in any enterprise datacenter will clear a lot of misconceptions. How things are, really, done at 3 A.M. is totally different from what even their management believe.

    Just a thought.

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  205. Josecanuc says:
    @Quartermaster
    I don't recall a nuke submarine ever entering the Persian Gulf. It's much too shallow. Much of the gulf is too shallow for any kind of submarine ops.

    The Kilo class has been subject to development for many years and is a very formidable conventional sub. Subs with air independent propulsion are even more so. The Swedes loaned a, AIP sub to the US Navy and the rather formidable ASW talents of the US Navy never was able to sink it in exercises, much less find it. Nukes have just recently entered that sort of quietude, with the best nukes blending into the background noise of the ocean.

    Having said that, The Sub is the next capital ship and will make carrier ops a thing of the past as long as the subs exist as an effective fighting force.

    I seriously doubt the US will attack Iran. The day where an attack would be able to effectively end the Iranian nuke program is long past.

    No, the Iranians did not stick to what the US citizenry were told about the nuke agreement. The Iranians were working with the North Koreans on both nukes and missiles. Anyone seriously thinking that Obama's agreement with the Iranians put an end to their nuke program isn't playing with a full deck. It is, in fact, the reason Trump pulled the US out.

    The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of “ownership” is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded.
     
    Like so much of what Saker writes, this is risible. The Neocons no more "own" Trump than anyone can own a wild Tiger. Trump is not just someone they hate. He is their sworn enemy, and they know that he is a threat to all their foolishness they have been pulling for the last 50 years or more.

    Evangelical Christians were the loudest about moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Evangelicals and Neocons are not, and never have been, on good terms. If the only people wanting the embassy moved were Neocons, the Embassy would still be in Tel Aviv. The Neocons kept putting off the move and I seriously doubt they would ever have moved it.

    you say: “Like so much of what Saker writes, this is risible. The Neocons no more “own” Trump than anyone can own a wild Tiger.”

    However the truth (reality) is – “You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control EVERYTHING in America. In America you can criticize God – but you can’t criticize Israel.” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache, Israeli Parliament, 2009

    In 1972 Senator William Fulbright, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, decided to summon the main Zionist leaders before a committee. This threw some light on their underground activities. He summed up the results of his enquiry in a Face the Nation interview on CBS (7 Oct. 1973): ‘The Israelis control policy in Congress and in the Senate’ – the United States is “subservient” to Israel,” he stated. He added: “Our colleagues in the Senate, about 70% of them, make up their minds more under the pressure of the Jewish lobby than from their own vision of what they consider to be the principles of liberty and justice.”

    “It’s suicide for any politician to oppose them.” Senator Fulbright, 1973
    In the next elections Fulbright lost his seat as a Senator. And since Senator Fulbright’s inquiry, the Zionist lobby has continued to strengthen its grip on American policy.”
    The Founding Myths of the Israeli Policy, Roger Garaudy, 1997

    “Whoever criticizes Israel can expect painful and incessant reprisals and even the loss of his means of existence by the pressure of the Israeli lobby in Washington. The President of the United States is afraid of it. Congress gives in to all its demands. The most prestigious universities see to it that in their programs there is nothing which opposes it. The mass media giants and the military chiefs give in to its pressure.”
    Paul Findley, former congressman, They Dared to Speak Out

    “Zionist leaders did not hide their American lobby’s role. Ben Gurion stated clearly: “When a Jew in America or in South Africa talks to his Jewish companions about ‘our’ government, he means the government of Israel.” At the 23rd Congress of the World Zionist Organization, he stipulated that the duty of a Jew abroad included “the collective obligation of every Zionist organization in various countries to help the Jewish State unconditionally and in all circumstances, even if such a stance is in conflict with the authorities of their respective nations.” There is no shortage of examples that illustrate the Israeli-Zionist lobby’s success in imposing on the United States an attitude that is unfavorable to American interests but useful for Israeli policy.” The Founding Myths of Israeli Policy, Roger Garaudy, 1997

    “I want to tell you something very clear. Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people control America and the Americans know it.” Ariel Sharon, Oct 3, 2001, broadcast Israeli radio –

    “To see what is wrong right in front of your nose and not do anything about it – that is a lack of courage.” Confucius

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  206. for the record

    Ralph Peters presenting with HitlerPutin Derangement Syndrome

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&v=4HjVipLZYns

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  207. for the record

    Max Boot exhibiting neocon derangement

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=y7SdVYFZtHc

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  208. for the record

    Anderson Cooper, Stephen Cohen, Max das Boot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=5RToPP-n6YU

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  209. @Question
    A brief question to Saker:

    You first say: "... Just murdering civilians like what the USA did in Japan does absolutely no good if your goal is to defeat your opponent’s armed forces. ..." - and then in the same breath you say "... If anything, nuking your opponents “value” targets will might only increase his determination to fight to the end. ...".

    Isn't this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily, what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions?

    Really Saker. How do you square the circle?

    Japan surrendered to the Americans because the Soviets were preparing to invade the home islands. The atomic bombings were simply acts of terror that at best facilitated the matter.

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  210. Anon[235] • Disclaimer says:

    Howev

    er, in the current political context in the US, there is one possibility which really frightens me.

    Trump as the “disposable President” for the Neocons?

    Of course! I think this has always been totally obvious.

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  211. @APilgrim
    The United States of America, have owed Iran a thermonuclear attack, since November 4, 1979.

    Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, took hostage all 63 Americans inside and demanded the U.S. deliver the Shah, who had recently been overthrown and was in the USA, for medical treatment. An attempt to rescue the hostages by force failed. After 444 tense days (November 4, 1979 - January 21, 1981 ), the American hostages were freed minutes after Ronald Wilson Reagan was inaugurated as president.

    I fully support thermonuclear attacks upon Muhammadan Caliphates in Tehran & elsewhere.

    You are an idiot.

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  212. @mark green
    The ancient Egyptians also had nothing to say about Jews or any Israeli kingdom or civilization. None. Why? The Jewish 'kingdom of David' either never existed or it was of no significance.

    On the other hand, the ancient 'Jews' obsess about the Egyptians (and their extraordinary accomplishments) hundreds of times in their miracle-drenched 'holy' book--which today looks very much like a silly collection of ethnocentric fairy tales.

    Jews were a jealous, superstitious and deceptive people then, and they still are.

    There's also no corabborating archeological evidence to sustain any of the fanciful yarns found in the Torah, including the exodus. Not a shred. Nothing. It's all cooked up.

    But there are immense, impressive and undeniable monuments as well as physical evidence for the glorious existence of the ancient Persian, Roman and Greek civilizations--not to mention the Egyptians.

    In comparison, the Jews were--at best--a second rate tribe in the ancient world whose descendents concocted a copious collection of unbelievable myths, many of which are contradictory or totally inconsistent with science, nature and real human history.

    Recent evidence suggests that the Jews may have borrowed many of their religious fables from the ancient Sumerians, who existed thousands of years before Abraham was ever even imagined.

    The precarious, a-scientific collection of yarns amassed by the Jews helps explain why these voracious parasites remain the Western world's foremost censors.

    Intellectual freedom threatens their vast library of libels, calumnies, and strategic falsehoods.

    It is surely no accident or coincidence that the Jews continue to be the world's most feared, most disliked, and least-trusted people.

    Great comment, as usual.

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    Thanx, Beefcake.
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  213. The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him.

    Eh. I’m still not convinced of that. If they owned him they would have the power to do more than hate and lament him. But they would if they couldn’t get him to take the kind of initiative that they want him to, they’d hate him for that, knowing he is basically just throwing them scraps from the table to keep his MAGA support base strong, as much of it consists of people who don’t yet realize Israel is pure evil.

    Yes, he moved the embassy, yes he pulled the US out of the JCPOA.

    Yes, both of those are on the Zionist checklist.

    But I don’t think it’s as simple as you make it sound. I think there is still the possibility that he is just throwing a bone every here and there on the foreign front to placate an enemy that both he and America is not yet fully prepared to fight.

    Jewish influence is being chipped away at from all angles these days. The left and the right, the religious and the secular. But the American public is not quite yet red-pilled enough to get that there is actual merit to the comments about Israel coming from alt-right or the BDS wing of the left. The Jewish media is being systematically crippled by his fake news campaign, losing control of the narrative, Jewish money is losing it’s ability to buy politicians as American voters reap the benefits of Trump’s policies and get on the MAGA train in larger numbers. Even Evangelical support for Israel seems to be showing some signs of wavering. So even the long-standing Judeo-Christian indoctrination is cracking to some degree. But the Overton Window is not in place to shatter the illusion completely yet. And that is very much a prerequisite to naming the enemy publicly. The words have to come from the peoples’ mouths first. Not Trumps.

    [MORE]

    For the time being, pro-Israel is still very much main stream. So taking actions that could be perceived as against Israel by the layman voter, while he is still quite heavily reliant on their support here on the domestic front, before dealing with this Mueller coup business, before getting reelected, before finding a way to break America’s indoctrinated infatuation with Israel and Zionism, would be political suicide in the absolute extreme. It’s too many enemies at once.

    So yes, he appears to be cooperating with the Zionists to an extent. But he’s also telegraphing his military strikes in advance to Syria and otherwise seems to be kind of dragging his feet with his foreign policy in the MENA region compared to his predecessors. It’s mostly trivial rhetoric, not action. The outward appearance is that he’s just focused on MAGA business, but the tacit implication of that is that he is also not prioritizing Zionist interests more than absolutely necessary to keep them at bay. The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan is moving backwards, not forwards. And that would certainly explain Neocon disdain.

    Of course, he could very well be a total ZioStooge. But I am of the opinion that it is still too early to tell for certain. So I am content to wait and see what happens for now. After the midterms. And more importantly, after his reelection, when he will (hopefully) be done with the Leftist coup as well as done campaigning and handshaking. That’s when the gloves should really come off and show us what he intends to leave behind as his legacy.

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    Real American:
    The problem is the leftist coup grows stronger by the day. It will reach an irresistible crest after the November route of Republican House and Senate (not that 80 percent of those support the President).
    Too much time and effort is being wasted on foreign policy. Evidence of economic progress may be correct, although overstated, but when the economy is weak, the economy is the issue (Clinton 1972). When the economy is strong, other issues dominate (HHH VS Nixon 1968).
    The media-entertainment-security state -academic complex drives PDJT from office by impeachment and convection, 25th amendment or resignation by May 2019. Perhaps he will avoid prison and go into exile.
    Will this make a better USA? Not with the trends set in stone of citizen replacement and unlimited entitlements and an ever more oppressive police state. It will herald a new USSA, if we already do not have it.
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  214. @annamaria
    Jews from Israel and the former USSR have been swarming into the "unfortunate" Germany.

    "Tens of Thousands of Jews Leaving Israel for Germany": http://americanfreepress.net/tens-of-thousands-of-jews-leaving-israel-for-germany/
    "A growing exodus of young Israelis to Berlin has not only shocked Israel’s far right leadership but has highlighted the growing disillusionment with Zionism among Israel’s younger generation."

    "Germany Is Moving To End Mass Immigration of Jews From Russia": https://forward.com/news/4029/germany-is-moving-to-end-mass-immigration-of-jews/
    "The mass migration of Jews from the former Soviet Union to Germany likely will come to a swift end with the introduction of a new law drawn up by Germany's 16-state governments. German authorities presented the new restrictions on Jewish immigration..."

    Just now much safer and simpler would the world be if the US dumped 10% of its nuclear arsenal on Israel?

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    Just now much safer and simpler would the world be if the US dumped 10% of its nuclear arsenal on Israel?
     
    That depends on whether or not Israel saw it coming. If they did, they'd invoke their Samson Option and the answer would be... Not very, as a lifeless nuclear husk of a planet.

    Even if they didn't though, their people are internationalists and subversive in the extreme. It's unlikely that even most of them are residing in Israel. They'd have to be prevented from repeating history at any point in the future. Or retaliating in any way with their manipulation of any other zionist occupied governments, of which there are many.
    , @Druid
    Just warn the Palestinians to get out first, like the Jews were warned before 911 in New York. No Jews died in a Jewish owned business building in New York. Makes one think !
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  215. peterAUS says:
    @Anonymous
    That was a pretty funny video.

    Let's think about this for a second. The easiest part is probably getting the IP address his used to post his message. Maybe you find a friendly person in Mr Unz's organization who has access to the connections logs, assuming he keeps them, and they give it to y