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Let’s begin by a short summary of events.

  • About a month ago Nikki Haley announces to the UNSC that the USA is ready to violate the rules of this very self-same UNSC should a chemical attack happen in Syria
  • Then the Russians announced that they have evidence that a chemical false flag is being prepared in Syria
  • Then a chemical attack (supposedly) takes place (in a location surrounded and, basically, controlled by government forces!)
  • The OPWC sends investigators (in spite of western powers loudly proclaiming that no investigation was needed)
  • The AngloZionists then bomb Syria
  • Next, the UNSC refuses to condemn the violation of its own rules and decisions
  • Finally, the US Americans speak of a ‘perfect strike’

Now tell me – do you get a sense that this is over?

If you tell me that 32/103 is hardly perfect, I will reply that you are missing the point. In fact, if anything, 32/103 is further incentive to bomb again!

Let’s look at the differently for a second and ask this: what has the AngloZionist attack actually demonstrated?

  • The western general public is so terminally zombified that false flag attacks can now be announced 4 weeks in advance
  • The Europeans now live by the motto “my honor is called solidarity” (a variation of the SS motto “my honor is loyalty“)
  • Led by the USA, western countries have no objections to wars started in violation of their own national laws
  • The UN Security Council has no objections to wars started in violation of the UN Charter and International Law
  • The PRC leaders, in their infinite wisdom, act as if they have nothing personal at stake and act like bystanders
  • The Israelis, via the UN Neocons, are now in total control of the Empire and use it to “clean house” next door

Oh, I hear the objections. They go something like this:

– But the attack was a dismal failure!
– So what? the Empire did not pay any price for executing it.
– But the US Americans did blink! The attacked from Jordanian airspace and from the Red Sea! They avoided the Russians completely! They are afraid of them!
– So what? They still bombed a Russian ally with total impunity.
– But, surely you are not suggesting that the Russians should have started a war against the USA over a strike which did not even kill a single person?
– No, of course not, but by not taking any action the Russians also failed to deter any future attacks.
– But what could the Russians have done?

Now *that* is the right question!

Let’s look at it a little closer. Roughly speaking, the Russians have a choice of 3 types of retaliatory measures: political, economic and military. However, each one of them has a specific set of prerequisites which are currently problematic to say the least:

Measures Political Economic Military
Prerequisites Assumes a minimal amount of decency, integrity and respect for the rule of law by the rest of the planet. Assumes that other countries, especially China, would be willing and able to support such measures. Assumes that Russia has the military capability to defeat the AngloZionist “coalition”.
Current reality Russia can moan, bitch, complain, protest, appeal to higher values, logic or facts – nobody gives a damn. The Chinese and the rest of them are not willing to do anything at this time to support Russia. Russia can militarily defeat the AngloZionists, but only by risking the future of our planet.

This really can be summarized a simple sentence: the AngloZionist Hegemony is a threat for the entire planet, but nobody besides Russia and Iran is willing to take it on. Ain’t that an irony!

The so-called “Christian West” has become a willing host for its Zionist parasite and the only ones with the courage and moral integrity to take it on are Orthodox Christians and Muslims! Sic transit gloria mundi indeed…

But what is even more important is this: while it is true that the US Neocons did not succeed in delivering the kind of massive attack they would have wanted to, and while it is true that the US attack was just about as lame as can be, you need to completely forget about these facts. Facts simply don’t matter. And neither does logic. All that matters are perceptions!

And the perception is that “we” (the AngloZionist rulers and their serfs) “kicked” Assad’s “ass” and that “we” will “do it again” if “we” feel like it. That is all that matters in the Empire of Illusions which the AngloZionist Hegemony has become.

As soon as you understand that, you also will have to agree that Trump was right: it was a “perfect strike” (again, not in reality, but in the world of illusions created around it).

So now we come full circle.

ORDER IT NOW

The AngloZionist Hegemony demands that the entire planet bows down and worships it. Except for Russia and Iran, everybody meekly goes down on their knees or, at most, meekly looks away. In their own delusional reality, the ‘Mericans feel empowered to smack down Russia or Iran at anytime. There is nothing Iran can do to stop them, and while Russia can, she can only do that at the risk of the future of our entire planet.

Now you tell me – do you really think this is over?

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. ” There is nothing Iran can do to stop them ”
    That’s clearly a civilian assertion. By no way, the US can defeat Iran, unless they are ready to send 500 000 grunts there. And they are not. No US president will survive a 10 000 body bag return.
    They can use air power for sure, but that will never be enough to force Iran to bow.And I’m quite sure the Russian will provide them everything they have to help Iran.And China probably too.
    Without even mentionning destruction of Barbaric saoudia and closin Ormuz strait.
    It’s clearly not over but the US are not as powerful as you think.

    • Replies: @c matt
    , @Dani
  2. Antonio says:

    Well, firstly, I don’t think the future of our planet is at risk, if you mean by that extinction of life on Earth. Current arsenals can’t do that, even in the worst case scenario. Nor even can they extinct human race either. Lots of deaths? Yes, sure. Extinction? Nope.

    Secondly, there is no rule of law because there is no punishment. Once punishment is delivered, things will change quickly. I agree with you that political or economical punishment will not work. But military punishment will do. Sink some US carriers or destroy some Israel bases, and you will see how they become well-behaved.

    (BTW, the EU stopped being Christian long ago.)

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  3. The best advice that I could give Russia would be what Reese says to Sarah Connor about the Terminator (substitute AngloZionist Empire).

  4. Trump demonstrated that the U.S. can still bomb non nuclear countries without regard for the Constitution, international law or common decency. The Deplorables demonstrated that elections will not change anything. Only the death of the U.S. dollar will end Anglo/Zio Imperial aggression.

  5. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Uhhh no.

    It is not only Russia and Iran that does not bow down.

    North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Phillipines, China etc. Etc. These countries have done as much as the Russians have.

    Its not like Russia sank a carrier or anything and it’s not like Russia is defender of the world on a crusade to defend the planet. They are only acting because they are in the crosshairs.

    If America was targeting Cuba, Russia would not say or do anything against America.

  6. El Dato says:

    If you tell me that 32/103 is hardly perfect

    True if true.

    US says this was all in the pipe, 5 by 5:

    Warship ruse and new stealth missiles: How the Syria attack unfolded

    While both vessels [USS Winston Churchill, USS Donald Cook] carry as many as 90 Tomahawk missiles – the main weapon used in the Friday evening strike on Syria – neither ship in the end fired a shot. Instead, according to a person familiar with White House war planning, they were part of a plan to distract Russia and its Syrian ally from an assault Assad’s government could do little to defend itself against.

    It worked. Pentagon officials on Saturday said they faced little resistance to their targeted attack on what they said were three Syrian chemical weapons facilities. Most of the Syrian countermeasures, including defensive ballistic missiles, were fired after U.S. and allied weapons hit their targets, Lieutenant General Kenneth McKenzie said Saturday.

    “No Syrian weapon had any effect on anything we did,” McKenzie said. He described the joint U.S., French and U.K. strike as “precise, overwhelming and effective.”

    Where can I get correct assessments? For, umm…. research… yeah.

    • Replies: @Antonio
    , @aleksandar
    , @FB
    , @anon
  7. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Russia was outgunned, so they did not respond. It was probably a wise decision. They did damage control admirably, and now have an opportunity to improve the Syrian arsenal with obvious justification.

    Slowly but surely, Russia is tightening the noose in Syria. Air defenses are improving. The next step is likely to be an arsenal of anti-ship missile’s. If necessary ICBMs might follow some sort of mutual defense treaty.

    At some point, Syria itself will be able to deliver the bloody nose to the USA that is so necessary for justice and world peace. That point will be reached when Syrian abilities to inflict pain outweigh the costs of escalation

    • Replies: @JamesinNM
  8. JR says:

    Probably Saker didn’t see this yet.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1098059.shtml

    China supporting Russia using reasoning in line with the Saker.

    • Replies: @TW
  9. peterAUS says:

    Facts simply don’t matter. And neither does logic. All that matters are perceptions!
    Facts simply don’t matter. And neither does logic. All that matters are perceptions!

    Yup.

    There is nothing Iran can do to stop them, and while Russia can, she can only do that at the risk of the future of our entire planet.

    Not quite.
    Or, the regime in Kremlin could’ve stopped all this had it acted, properly, a couple of years ago.
    Opportunity missed.

    Now you tell me – do you really think this is over?

    Of course not.
    This is just a starter.

  10. @El Dato

    Nowhere, stay tuned to Radio Pentagon, that’s all you can understand anyway.

  11. Smeagol says:

    My precious, too many players want to start a real war between the Mercans and Russians. Aside from the casual suspects (KSA and Israel), Chinese also objectively benefit from the confrontation, which explains their aloofness. Should this come to a nuclear war, Chinese will be the one and only winner. For this old smart monkey is still sitting on the tree, and nothing has changed since Chairman Mao times.

    For Iran, this war will certainly enhance the Iran-Russia axis and thus may postpone the US aggression. Turkey loves it too because it can play both sides. Ironically, only the USA and Russia will be the biggest losers regardless of the outcome. It seems they both realize that and are treading carefully. But can they manage to get out of the clinch? And for how long they can be avoiding the all-out conflict? So no, – it’s definitely ain’t over. We hates it, but the best is yet to come.

  12. JamesinNM says:

    Hope Syria is quickly able to inflict unbearable pain on all invaders.

  13. Linda says:

    You forget ballsy little Bolivia defends Russia in UN with both votes and condemnation of barking Nikki. It looks like they are offering all they have – moral condemnation of Empire and her vassals.

    • Replies: @TT
  14. Linda says:

    This is a very interesting post from Zaid Fadel at Syrian Perspective. https://syrianperspective.com/2018/04/attack-on-syria-big-flop-air-defenses-robust-massive-failure-for-trump-may-macron-and-the-usual-gang-of-idiots.html

    The reason I give it a lot of weight is that the night before the bombing, either Vanessa Beasley or Eva Bartlett called in to Israeli News Live and gave 12 points explaining what Syria was expecting to happen and it seems it pretty well went down as they had said. I’m sorry I can’t find the broadcast link. Apparently the Russians said if the strike went into a second day they would strike back even if Russians were not hit. Looks like the “strike” was pretty well pre-determined by both sides.

    Gave each side a look at the others capabilities and allowed US a chance to waste missiles and Northrup sell new ones. Same old, same old.

    Every time my country says or does something insane (which is often) this Lee Greenwood song goes thru my mind with modified lyrics. “Ashamed to be an American, where I’m duped to think I’m free”.

  15. hunor says:

    ” This is far from over ! ”

    How can it be over ? It is a war in progress.

    One side of the warring party is creating they own reality, and present it on the world stage

    with absolute conviction, and determination. This fake reality is part of the war game , it should

    not be considered as lies or staged events. It is war ! Fake reality is part of the repertoire , just like

    the missiles. It is war , no rules just brutal conflict.

    The other side not understanding any of it. They are running around , like chickens in the rain.

    UNSC talk , talk and talk some more. Nobody give a them. They are counting how many missiles

    they intercepted , they are analyzing , they are theorizing . Do something you are about to be

    wiped off !

  16. This is theatre; Act 2. China sells tickets. Total now of two hundred missiles used; nothing much destroyed. Top brass satisfied. Neocons, mollified.  Audience, US, asleep in our seats as usual.  Act 3. The big love scene: Trump and Putin do Romeo & Juliet, audience confused. Back to sleep. China offers no refunds.

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/women-of-the-world-summit-2/

  17. TT says:

    Measures Political Economic Military

    Prerequisites
    Assumes a minimal amount of decency, integrity and respect for the rule of law by the rest of the planet.

    Assumes that other countries, especially China, would be willing and able to support such measures.

    Assumes that Russia has the military capability to defeat the AngloZionist “coalition”.

    Current reality
    Russia can moan, bitch, complain, protest, appeal to higher values, logic or facts – nobody gives a damn.

    The Chinese and the rest of them are not willing to do anything at this time to support Russia.

    Russia can militarily defeat the AngloZionists, but only by risking the future of our planet.

    Saker correctly pointed out Russia is showing unnecessary weakness in only moaning & bitching with empty threats that nobody bother, relegating itself to a weakling gas station.

    But to falsely accused China & the rest not willing to do anything at this time to support Russia is too far fetch, a foolish remark like a whining self pitied child blaming everyone for his own spilled milk.

    Does Saker expect its few allies China, NK, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, SAA to launch attack on US Nato when RuA refused/not permit?

    Economically, China is known to have financially back the entire costly war, signed numerous huge deals worth hundreds of Bil with Russia to booster its sanctioned economy, deliver re-construction materials, medicine & food for tens of millions soldiers & Syrians. A astromical cost.

    Military, it has also supply lot of weapons & ammunition under so called old contract with SAA, sent in its most senior advisors & Special forces to help fighting & get train, esp to mop up Uyghur ISIS terrorists(CIA assets).

    It even cut short a mammoth 40 vessels Liaoning a/c strike group drill in SCS to declare a unprecedented proximate live firing drill in Taiwan Straits, literally forcing existing USN three strike groups to tied down in SCS. This sent a very clear signal that if US start a hot war in Syria with Russia, China might open another war front to take back Taiwan which USM will be overstretched to defend.

    Also China despatched its Defense Minister in a high profile visit to Russia, declaring its military solidarity with Russia against US tyranny (a rare glaring mentioned of US name directly). This sent a very strong signal to USM, China may intervene directly or asymmetrically.

    China also took an unusual hard stand in a looming trade war, threatened to fight at all cost without slight compromise, hence refusing Trumps any leeway to back down while he up ante to save face.

    China foreign ministry further declare the trade war will not limit in trade but shall utilize all asymmetric tools, including non cooporation in strategic issues, sanction of US hugely profiting investments in China. Also Trumps redneck farming vote bank was purposely targeted to pressure him in coming Nov election. With China $4T war chess & US people resistance, US can ill afford to fight China if Syria war breakout. Every major war will see USD artificially hike >30% historically for expenditure mileage.

    In UNSC, China has surprisingly took abstained neutral stand, allowing it to play the coordinator role & denying US UK Fr to get any legit for attack. This avoid relegating UNSC into two sides shouting. Nikki Harley was thus preempted her wish of striking with or without UNSC mandate since all ended agreed to let UN conduct independent inspection. Overall, this continue to lock US UK Fr inside UNSC framework.

    China Prez Xi also in Baao seminar announced expedite opening of China huge financial market. This stirred the world into frenzy to prepare for huge investment, skillfully denied US ability to pull EU, Jp & others to joint US trade war. All US financier & trade bodies will loathe any trade or hot war that will derail their golden opportunity.

    What else happen behind door we won’t know. But whatever we can see now, China has done every heavy lifting it could, very comprehensive & well plan, short of attacking USM in Syria which it can’t with limited projection force.

    Yet Saker is accusing China & others are doing NOTHING to help Russia, when Putin is refusing to even take down a Israel airfield as a warning to USM. Killing a chicken to frighten the monkey.

    Is Saker demonstrating a typical Russian nature, unappreciative & endless blaming, always ready to throw ally under bus? This might explain why Russia has few or no true trusted ally, even ex-Soviet countries. Assad Syria & Iran interest are seen routinely been sacrificed.

    Will China one day decided Russia is not a trusted ally afterall to reconsider US G2 invitation?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  18. TT says:

    Some clever ones in unz are singing self deluded propaganda praising Russia has great wisdom in permitting USM wasteful strike to satisfy Trumps domestic audience. In a uncertain war, soldier morale & enemy’s fear/respect is very critical criteria to determine outcome.

    If USM truly wanted political gain by striking Syria illegally to mock Russia Top General warning, why Russia can’t ask a return favour of allowing it to counterstrike a few emptied UK Fr vessels or a Israel airfield to even off? That at least keep RuA & its chief General credibility.

    Otherwise, everyone sees Russia has been called bluff, with its chief general lost all credibility to lead future war.

  19. TT says:
    @Linda

    I think one US ally in ME also abstained to refuse support of US proposal, Qatar?

  20. c matt says:
    @aleksandar

    I think the point of the article was precisely that the US is not as strong as it thinks. Hence, the attack was all for “show” so the US can perpetuate the delusion it can handle Russia/Iran. The danger is that this delusion may cause a major misstep, especially if (when) the US starts believing it’s own bullshit and really pokes the bear.

  21. anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:

    The general idea seems to be containment of Russia, hemming them in within their own borders and cutting them off from being able to extend their influence outward. As part of this any allies of theirs such as Syria come under attack; if the west can’t own them then they’re to be reduced to chaos and rendered into costly burdens for the Russians. It’s all a very cynical and calculated plan that fits into the overall picture of encircling the Russians to stymie their development and influence. NATO expansion up to their borders, the Ukraine coup, encirclement, picking off vulnerable allies, economic warfare and political subversion without end, the pattern is clear. At some point an actual clash might come about, not necessarily now with Syria as the trigger but somewhere all along the entire line of points of friction. Unfortunately it seems inevitable that something bad is going to happen somewhere down the line as the irresistible force meets the immovable object.

    • Replies: @Low Voltage
  22. Linda says:

    The problem here is that moving to a multi-polar world will require many countries to contribute what and where they can as we fight a very entrenched international Cabal. But, the largest responsibility lies with the people living within the Evil Empire and its vassal states. Those whose counties are committing these atrocities need to step up and call foul on their own governments. This is difficult to do since the Project Mockingbird press continues to spew unbelievable lies on a non-stop basis. But those lies are getting more and more difficult to believe. Unless your brain is totally disconnected, you have to realize that what they are saying is inconsistent and illogical.

    Besides calling and berating my representatives, signing petitions, etc. I have taken to wearing a teeshirt with a picture of Putin and the Russian bear (Putin in a suit, not riding the bear bare chested).
    I wear it to all social events for the purpose of starting a discussion. Most Americans are not engaged. They have little trust in their government and most feel like there is nothing they can do about it. I live in the mountain west where people are more libertarian and more willing to fight. I try to provide them with ammunition and point them to places to go to get “real” news. I tell them not to “believe” any news, but get a variety of points of view and use their own minds to determine what is true.

    A few years ago, I was very disturbed when I kept hearing Dr. Stephen Cohen say that Putin was the greatest statesman of our time. As I had studied Soviet history in school, I had sort of kept abreast of what was happening in Russia. As an economist, I was aware of how the West, especially the USA, came to help Russia with Democracy and “free markets”. It was obvious to me that we were just assisting in selling Russia by the pound to the moneyed class. I had followed Dr. Cohen over the years as well. But sceptical of his assessment of Putin, I have gone back and watched and read almost everything Putin has said and watched what Russia has done and I believe Dr. Cohen is correct.

    As a fervent anti-war activist since the sixties, I have been appalled at all the regime change the US has and continues to do around the world including both military covert operations and economic warfare. Well Putin had me at his 2007 Munich speech. The one the West called a rant. Finally someone was calling out this criminal behavior on an international stage! Putin has continued with these messages and as far as I can see, Russia is operating accordingly. No one country, not Russia, not China, noone can destroy this international Cabal on its own. It will take a concerted effort of all peace seeking people from around the world to force their governments on a different path. Starting in my case with the people of the USA.

  23. TW says:
    @JR

    Well, that’s just an English-language op-ed column, not a statement by the government of China.

    In the event of disagreements, China usually provides moral support to Russia, nothing more. They quite rightly see this as a trivial incident, and so no need to get involved at any deeper level.

  24. leeza says:

    Someone over at informationclearinghouse gave a great analysis. i will try to find it and post it. but something like; russia doesn’t have to respond directly they can turn up the heat in any number of ways. ask the Philippines of who they are close i guess to push americans out of the philipines and support them with intelligence and arms and at the UN and politically. ditto cambodia, ditto thailand, ditto, turkey, ditto pakistan. ditto any number of countries. apparently an asymmetric response would be much more damaging to american interests. and that stuff i don’t understand, like there is about a 5 or 10% of russian population that is pro america, and they are powerful, and they block putin to some degree. and those people just lost a ton of sway in russia, something that will really damage america and the UK in the longer term, including a lot of store chains like the body shop and victoria secret and mcdonalds and kfc and many others, that will feel a lot of damage now that the pro american faction is seen as increasingly a 5th column, especially after their support for america after this disgrace to russia with this attack. well it was very well written but i can’t find that comment. even that putins circle was hoping for such an action to slowly purge the medvedev group and such. i don’t know myself.

  25. leeza says:

    plus that russia has a portal project with china or something. that as much as america and israel and uk antagonize russia, will limit their access to china’s market that is 4 times the size of the US market. and other such damage. that will only show up in a year or 2 or 5. and that since jews are increasingly seen as a 5th column they will suffer more and more and more.

  26. anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I was impressed with the dazzling display of military virtuosity by US over Syria this past weekend. This epic victory will go down in the an(n)al(s) of history (where it rightfully belongs) as the most impressive display of courage, heroism, sacrifice worthy only of a true superpower.

    Stalingrad, eat your heart out. This is now the battle against which all other great battles in history will be judged. I am telling you, if this heroic battle doesn’t make it into history books – then humans don’t deserve to have history at all (actually the way the things are going it might come to that – the end of history).

    This should also be a warning to the Taliban in Afghanistan, because the same thing can happen to them. Wait, what? They tried to do the same thing to the Taliban, but they couldn’t? Well, I guess you can’t win everything. Still, it doesn’t take away anything from this brilliant victory.

    So the western degeneracies (I think that this is way more accurate term, than western democracies), decided to really outdo themselves. I mean, this only shows how far the western degeneracies are prepared to go in order to protect human rights. They are willing to commit war crimes in order to prevent other “war crimes” from being committed. Talking about moral courage.

    Accusing Syria about using chemical weapons, when US uses the most dangerous chemical weapon on a daily basis. Yes, I am talking about the agent Orange – Trump.

    I look forward to many (many) Hollywood movies which hopefully will be made to celebrate this epic victory.

    • Replies: @FB
  27. @anonymous

    inevitable that something bad is going to happen somewhere down the line as the irresistible force meets the immovable object.

    Maybe Artsakh during the FIFA W.C?

  28. Svigor says:

    Hey Saker, explain to us how the AngloZionists Jews got France to bomb Syria.

  29. Svigor says:

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I was impressed with the dazzling display of military virtuosity by US over Syria this past weekend. This epic victory will go down in the an(n)al(s) of history (where it rightfully belongs) as the most impressive display of courage, heroism, sacrifice worthy only of a true superpower.

    Stalingrad, eat your heart out. This is now the battle against which all other great battles in history will be judged. I am telling you, if this heroic battle doesn’t make it into history books – then humans don’t deserve to have history at all (actually the way the things are going it might come to that – the end of history).

    Flatheads are living classics: “the food was terrible, and the portions were so small!”

    Who says you can’t have your cake, and eat it too?

  30. Svigor says:

    Then the Russians announced that they have evidence that a chemical false flag is being prepared in Syria
    Then a chemical attack (supposedly) takes place (in a location surrounded and, basically, controlled by government forces!)

    Flatheads say everything is a false flag. It makes perfect sense that the Russians would announce an inbound false flag every time they plan to play something off as a false flag.

    But this is Sakerland, and the bar is very, very low…

    • Replies: @FB
  31. Svigor says:

    The OPWC sends investigators (in spite of western powers loudly proclaiming that no investigation was needed)

    (((Big Media))) is also loudly proclaiming that investigators are being denied access by Syrians/Russians. Lemme guess, you forgot that part?

    • Replies: @anon
  32. KA says:

    Russia should have learnt the lessons right after its lootings by US and following Chechenya war. It didn’t hoping for western kindness to prevail. Russia should have got the message clear and loud after 2003 Iraq invasion. It should have acted more aggressively and proactively after 2008 Georgian war . The actions that Russia failed to its own detriment and self sabotaging , are inability to help Iran and bolster Iran’s defense nuclear aspirations, military upgrading . Given the new tendencies of Color revolutions , it could have prepared Ghaddafi and Syria to be cognizant .

    But it’s worst mistakes were to allow Iran get hammered with UN sanctions .

    China is dangerous. ,clever racist and pure selfish

  33. Cheer up says:

    Very true, it’s not over, because what Russia wants is something that’s been in the works for generations: rights and rule of law. The next logical step is for Russia or Syria to initiate an ICJ case with the US and Russia at daggers drawn, with the whole world acutely aware that the alternatives are adjudication or general war. With that objective in mind, it makes sense to defer the showdown until the US has a significant force at risk. Russia can still control the pace of escalation with her aerospace dominance.

    The US government evaded previous attempts at pacific resolution of disputes. The US government ran from the judgement of Nicaragua v. United States of America and thumbed its nose from a safe distance, but it suffered from profound post-heroic stress for years, making a laughingstock of the US judiciary with 856 F.2d 929 (D.C. Cir. 1988). It was still traumatized in 1992 – to avoid a legal precedent prohibiting US aggression, the US backed off from armed attack under threat from Libyan Arab Jamahiriya v. United States Of America.

    The situation’s different here. In Syria the US is already implicated in aggression. The US can’t just run away if Syria sues for reparations. Syria’s ally Russia, unlike Nicaragua, is in a position to enforce a legal judgement. Penalties are now codified in customary international law by state responsibility for internationally wrongful acts (res. 56/83 of 12 December 2001) to include reparations, restitution, compensation, with interest, and satisfaction (prosecution of commanders, for example.)

    With Bolton in the driver’s seat the US government will again be aiming to ‘kill two birds with one stone,’ annihilating an enemy country in a way that wrecks the UN. The international community is fine with that, too. The UN’s successor organization will not repeat the mistake of giving veto impunity to an outlaw US state. The ICJ will remain, as it did after destruction of the League of Nations, only now with US satellite Britain expelled from the bench. Any new charter will purge the US secret agents and ensure an impartial international civil service serving the international community in their personal capacity. That is the letter of the law in the current Charter, and the US has worked obsessively to undermine it. Whatever replaces the UN, the ‘waterfall’ of arrogated P-5 privilege in international organizations will be gone.

    So the endgame is a US pariah state, psychotic as ever but disgraced by coercion to peace and legal judgement, with full-spectrum parity and no legal fig leaf for serious crimes. Sucks for us North Americans, because the US regime will have no one to push around except the subject population. But the world will be a safer place.

  34. Antiwar7 says:
    @Antonio

    The theory is that soot from firestorms in the cities will get into the stratosphere, and stay up there for years, leading to crop failures. Extrapolating from Krakatoa. Do you have evidence otherwise?

  35. Grumbler says:

    Is it over?

    That can be answered by asking the question, Is the US carrier group out of Norfolk, VA still steaming towards Syria?

  36. anonymous[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @TT

    Uyghur ISIS terrorists

    LOL! So, what do you call those of your kind who “sodomised,” well, your own kind, during the uprisings?

    I suppose soon enough you heathens will be worshipping those “sodomisers” as your “ancestor deities.” :P

    • Replies: @TT
  37. FB says:
    @El Dato

    El Crapo…

    Maybe you missed my technical analysis on the other thread…

    There we looked at very high res photo…not satellite…of the Barzeh complex in Damascus that was supposedly hit with 76 missiles…

    Easy to tell how much explosive power actually hit there…based on buildings standing nearby…and using the Kingery Bulmash equations used by the US DOD…the UN and everybody else to measure explosive power and how it affects nearby objects…

    ‘…These equations are widely accepted as authoritative engineering predictions for determining free-field pressures and loads on structures…’

    Go ahead and read my analysis El Crapo…then come back and squawk some more turd muffins…

    I already dismembered one clown who tried to take issue with my analysis…and he’s an engineer…unlike you who sounds like a taco salesman…

    Brief…review…first he claimed this site was not the place where the missiles hit…until I posted a satellite pic released by the pentagon and carried in newspapers around the world…

    Then when it was clear that this was the site…he claimed that the US had removed the warheads from those missiles…but that all of them hit…[yes...delusional is pretty funny]

    Then when I pointed out that removing 1,000 pounds from the nose of a T-hawk which weighs 3,000 lb total would make it unflyable because its center of gravity would shift aft…and would require a complete redesign of the T-hawk where the wings are likewise moved aft so that it can actually fly…

    So then he countered that they simply replaced those warheads with dummies that weighed the same…

    Have fun El Crapo…

    • Replies: @Cheer up
    , @Philip Owen
  38. FB says:
    @anonymous

    The Douma fake gas story has now been officially blown out of the water…by British journo Robert Fisk reporting on the ground from Douma…

  39. FB says:
    @Svigor

    Flatheads say everything is a false flag….the bar is very, very low…

    Try this ‘bar’ on for size…

    The UK Independent’s Robert Fisk on the ground in Douma Syria…

    He talked to a doctor at the hospital in Douma where the white helmets filmed their sick child porn…

    ‘…I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened.

    There was a lot of shelling [by government forces] and aircraft were always over Douma at night – but on this night, there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived.

    People began to arrive here suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone at the door, a “White Helmet”, shouted “Gas!”, and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other.

    Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”

    Fisk goes on to interview dozens of people in Douma…and gets a tour of the underground city dug out by the thousands of slave labor prisoners the Jaish al Islam [Army of Islam] terrorists had held for years…[they were released as part of the evacuation deal...]

    He visits the abandoned white helmets HQ…all the white helmets left on those terrorist evac buses…[even though a bunch of actual fighters decided to stay and take the govt amnesty]…

    Here’s Fisk standing in those slave-dug tunnels…

    After walking a mile underground Fisk asked how far this labyrinth goes…an SAA colonel shrugged and suggested it might go all the way to Britain…

    Read it and weep Svigor…

    It’s not just the Flaker you are up against anymore…try reading those comments below Fisk’s story and see what normal people are saying…

    Hope you have a pleasant day in the psych ward…

    • Replies: @Svigor
  40. Faker says:

    It IS over, despite the massive Kremlin damage control campaign through its online outlets (I don’t know how many more Russia-related articles the FSB can publish on their Zero Hedge platform at this point). You gotta love their latest headline: “Famed War Reporter Robert Fisk…” as though anybody knows or care who the guy is.

    Why it is over:
    -Kim Jong Il has folded (big time!)
    -Xi is folding (faster than anybody else)
    -Trump demonstrated to the world that Putin is a toothless paper tiger (hence the massive damage control campaign). He completely humiliated him, calling his bluff on all his “warnings” and invincible weapons licensed by aliens from the future…

    Hey Faker, remember when you complained the west was not covering Putin’s weapon announcement? Well, it’s because every serious person knew it was a pathetic fake.

    That is all that matter. No need for another trillion-word Faker “analysis”.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @NoseytheDuke
  41. FB says:

    Well the Saker has lived up to his namesake for once…

    Like all raptors…the Saker Falcon [Сокол Russian] is legendary for its visual acuity…able to spot a 2 mm insect from the top of a 60 ft tree…

    Whatever did or did not happen behind the scenes…it is beyond doubt that both sides blinked…

    However…the big difference is that the Russian side has been seen to have blinked…

    This is very dangerous as PCR has most cogently argued in recent articles…

    This matrix that Saker presented is pretty close…

    I would disagree only with the idea that by taking military action against the US Russia is risking the future of our planet…

    It is beyond question now that the Evil Empire is not going to give up the Syria project…or any other related project in this volatile area…

    A carrier group is now steaming into theater…the Israelis have announced that they will not be restrained by Russia [and reportedly have launched more missiles into Syria...which were down by air defenses]…there are rumors that Dump is going to replace US troops with Blackwater mercs and Saudis in the SDF held areas…the Turks have shown they are nothing more than ‘bazaris’…as MK Bhadrakumar astutely notes…

    Clearly the situation will be escalated slowly but surely like the boiling frog paradigm…

    At some point the temperature is going to get too hot…and what then…?

    I say better to hit them with a vicious blow right now…which they are not expecting…and let them decide if they want to go nuclear or not…

    They are not that crazy since their own asses would be on the line…bullies are cowards at bottom…

    OTOH a devastating military blow would shake off the chickenshit vassals and take the wind out of the sails of the McChicken Empire for good…

  42. TT says:
    @anonymous

    Go read/watch RT news reporting on how RuAF bombed the whole village of Turkey trained Uyghur terrorists aka Turkmen flying black ISIS flags, after they killed the pilot ejected from Turkey shot down Su24. Sorry if those Uyghur are your kins. You should asked them stop terrorism.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown

    We have no uprising & its illegal to practise sodomy. You did that to your family or is that a common practice among your whole race? Becareful, aids started from that. Pls Heterosexual is highly recommended, and only among married couple.

    I suppose soon enough you heathens will be worshipping those “sodomisers” as your “ancestor deities.” :P

    Is that your tribal practice? Cool, that’s very much in line with Western LBGT new trend. But no thanks, keep to yourself. We are still a very conservative society.

  43. peterAUS says:
    @Faker

    Well, yes and no.

    It isn’t over, it’s still going on. It will be over when we see the regime change in Kremlin. Until that, well, it’s still going on.

    That Kremlin blinked, yes. That we see “damage control” oh yes. That we’ll see more of the same, oh yes.

    But, still, it’s far from over.

    I must agree with the “Team Russia” re history:”Napoleon”and “Hitler”.
    They, of course, don’t want to see the flip side, “Gorbachev” and “Yeltsin”.

    What we do know is simple: The Empire will keep pushing, Russia will keep backing of.
    Will it finish with The Empire overstretching and collapsing or with Russia being swallowed up, well, one way to find out.

    At the moment The Empire is stronger and has an initiative, so, my take is 70/30 The Empire wins.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Faker
  44. Cheer up says:
    @FB

    Magisterial modeling there. Your laptop should be a UNESCO world heritage site.

    You have your work cut out for you. The propaganda slogans for impending US gunboat diplomacy will be geared toward people who think a Lanchester model was when Elsa starred in Bride of Frankenstein.

  45. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Very difficult to get correct assessment from a system that announces plans for withdrawal days before signalling prolonged stay A fight is going on there in the DC.

    If there were one outside better superpower with US type motives, we would be seeing a riot followed by some police actions followed by civil war. Even that superpower might be getting the information it wants including some gas canister exploding on DC ‘s main street.

    The fiasco has eventually defined this DC gatherings of psychopaths , leftover from PNAC

  46. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    the large snake did not evolve in the sea because it couldn’t digest the preys in time , often ending in putrid painful explosion ,sending waves and throwing pieces of the bio materials for the waiting hangers-on to feed on it.

  47. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/17/the-search-for-the-truth-in-douma/

    1 A Syrian colonel I came across behind one of these buildings asked if I wanted to see how deep the tunnels were. I stopped after well over a mile when he cryptically observed that “this tunnel might reach as far as Britain”.

    2 They talked about the Islamists under whom they had lived. They talked about how the armed groups had stolen civilian homes to avoid the Syrian government and Russian bombing. The Jaish el-Islam had burned their offices before they left

    3 How could it be that Douma refugees who had reached camps in Turkey were already describing a gas attack which no-one in Douma today seemed to recall?

    4 The White Helmets – the medical first responders already legendary in the West but with some interesting corners to their own story – played a familiar role during the battles. They are partly funded by the Foreign Office and most of the local offices were staffed by Douma men. I found their wrecked offices not far from Dr Rahaibani’s clinic. A gas mask had been left outside a food container with one eye-piece pierced and a pile of dirty military camouflage uniforms lay inside one room. Planted, I asked myself? I doubt it. The place was heaped with capsules, broken medical equipment and files, bedding and mattresses.

    Of course we must hear their side of the story, but it will not happen here: a woman told us that every member of the White Helmets in Douma abandoned their main headquarters and chose to take the government-organised and Russian-protected buses to the rebel province of Idlib with the armed groups when the final truce was agreed.

    5 Before we go any further, readers should be aware that this is not the only story in Douma. There are the many people I talked to amid the ruins of the town who said they had “never believed in” gas stories – which were usually put about, they claimed, by the armed Islamist groups. These particular jihadis survived under a blizzard of shellfire by living in other’s people’s homes and in vast, wide tunnels

    • Replies: @Svigor
  48. Faker says:
    @peterAUS

    Good point on the regime-change timeline. The alternative could be no-regime change against all the west’s demands?

    About Napoleon and Hitler, those Kremlin talking points never made sense to me. Both Napoleon and Hitler had to worry about their western flanks. NATO does not.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  49. Svigor says:
    @FB

    Dumb fuck flathead, what does any of this have to do with my comment?

    • Replies: @FB
  50. Svigor says:
    @anon

    Great, good to know. Why it’s a reply to me is a mystery, though…

  51. peterAUS says:
    @Faker

    Good point on the regime-change timeline. The alternative could be no-regime change against all the west’s demands?

    If…if I read you correctly:
    The regime change is what The Empire (and that’s a bit more than just West I think) wants. That’s the goal, the objective, the purpose of all this which has been going since Putin came into power.
    The question of all questions is, of course, will that happen. Nobody knows.
    Rusophiles say “never”. The “opposite party” says “very soon”.
    Those in the middle say “watch and see”……

    Your question is, I guess, could the current regime acquiesce to western demands and, effectively, surrender?
    I feel it could, providing that, personally, they and their circle of family/friends don’t get persecuted by the winners. And that’s the clincher: Kremlin people will need a guarantee from aliens I guess; simply can’t…can not….trust West.
    That’s why I fear that when they get really cornered they’ll try to lash out, no matter what. Nothing to loose.
    Will they be able to do that, no idea. Or, will the mechanism of the state follow their orders. Nobody knows that. The problem there is that the elites in West could think …well…whatever they like to think. “We create our own realities”. I don’t think so, but, they rule the world and I am nobody.
    That’s for “Gorbachev” or “Yeltsin” options.

    As for those other options, from Milosevic to Assad (organizing internal unrest and go from there), well, even worse.
    I could envisage scenario where West could try to pull that of and it creates an unstable Russian state. Not a good option.

    Any way you cut it we get to the “nuclear” option, IMHO.

    About Napoleon and Hitler, those Kremlin talking points never made sense to me. Both Napoleon and Hitler had to worry about their western flanks. NATO does not.

    I guess you misunderstood me.

    I was talking about the principle. Overstretch.
    I just do not see a war between those two. Proper war that is.
    Yes, I see that’s a very popular topic around and I just don’t see it.

    The bloodletting will be done, of course, but by proxies and a lot of it. Don’t see the major players going at each other. Yes, plenty of mercs, some SF and what not, but not direct confrontation on, from brigade up. Could be some local clashes up to a batallion level, probably. Some brief flareup. Doesn’t matter.

    This is the game of exhaustion. Internal collapse of the regime. Kremlin or Washington D.C.Both sides playing that with the opponent.
    West believes Kremlin will buckle as in 89-91.
    Kremlin believes West will buckle and give up on expansion.

    What people don’t generally get is:
    Kremlin is fighting for survival here, but, West is doing the same. The expansion is structural there.It stops expansion, acquiring of new resources, it collapses unto itself. It…..must………expand.
    That’s why doesn’t matter much who is in the White House. The expansion has been going on, well, since the beginning. “Properly” since the US-Spanish war. The push has been the same; the difference only in tactics and small points of execution.
    That’s what makes this dangerous.
    Immovable object and irresistible force, sort of. Both with nukes.

    Anyway…..

  52. FB says:
    @Svigor

    Ooh…Spidey is having a rough day at the psych ward…

    Now he has forgotten what he said…

    • Replies: @Anon
  53. Anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Hope you have a pleasant day in the psych ward…

    Ooh…Spidey is having a rough day at the psych ward…

    Ahhh…crawling around to bite everyone again. Look like you hv a relapsed of rabid. Psychiatry treatm is no longer effective for yr critical case. You shld not try DIY by borrowing bk on amnesia either, it won’t work. If condition not improve, we might hv to put you down as prevention.

    Sincerely, your vet.

    • Replies: @FB
  54. FB says:
    @Anon

    ‘…we might hv to put you down as prevention…’

    Go right ahead and give it the old college try chump…

    PS: learning to spell first might be a good idea…

  55. FB says:

    Just a note here about ‘anonymous’ commenters…my policy in general is to not respond to them…

    If they are too lazy to put down a fictitious ‘pen name’ and fictitious email then why should anyone take the effort to engage with them…

    Ron Unz…the custodian of this excellent discussion forum agrees…

    ‘…I must say that some of the commenters on my website seem both totally paranoid AND totally lazy…

    Personally, I find it extremely difficult to believe that any of the anonymous commenters here are so important that the Deep State will try to track down their identities…’

    Mr. Unz recently introduced an ingenious method allowing us to keep track of the flood of ‘anons; and ‘anonymouses’ by assigning each one a number…which stays with them every time they comment…

    But generally the consensus here is that these various fleas that pop up here are an irritant to all…and should understand this themselves…and modify their miscreant behavior accordingly…

    Just to make sure the fleas are aware of this…

  56. Philip Owen says: • Website
    @FB

    “Brief…review…first he claimed this site was not the place where the missiles hit…until I posted a satellite pic released by the pentagon and carried in newspapers around the world…”

    Fake. Like much else you write. I didn’t dispute it wasn’t the same site for one second.

    You don’t pay attention to detail. I never denied that the damage was too small for 76 missiles of the public declared specification to have hit. That said, the three courtyards constituted 10 buildings all but one of which were totally destroyed and the last, facing the trees was largely destroyed. That took at most 10 missiles plus x1 or x2 for backup? Recent British Storm Shadows detect if a target has been destroyed and fly over if it has been, although they are not drones so I don’t know how much retargetting they can do. Do Tomahawks do that? I don’t know. If the UK can do it, the US could. Iraq 1 made plain that modern war involves strikes in civilian areas. Then there was the jack hammer and the other construction machine on the far right of the area. On reflection, the route of the jack hammer was too obstructed for it to have been driven there after the raid. The buildings were reported to have been largely out of use anyway.

    Missiles aborting and heading for the sea or some such could account for the high trajectory attacks. Having spare missiles around to draw enemy fire by presenting easy targets (post hit) could be a workable target especially if you are using redundancy to make sure the target is destroyed. So shoot downs after the strike, maybe.

    What I am resisting is the conclusion that Syrian Air Defences shot down a large proportion of the incoming missiles. The few pictures I have seen of them were all rocketry aiming far too high to hit a cruise missile. (See another of my comments on this thread – I was asked to provide IR illuminators to eliminate the power line problem). There has to be another explanation for their lack of visibility. Packing them with electronics to probe radars or sending in smaller packets of explosive (reducing civilian deaths) was brainstorming. So is thinking that there might be some at the bottom of the Mediterranean. I don’t have the answer but I don’t believe in 71 incoming hits either, from the little evidence available. Last week a single Israeli missile took out a Syrian air defense system.

    • Replies: @FB
  57. FB says:

    Last week a single Israeli missile took out a Syrian air defense system.

    Anything verifiable to support that Tampon Phil…?

  58. FB says:
    @Philip Owen

    ‘…Fake. Like much else you write. I didn’t dispute it wasn’t the same site for one second…’

    You’re really a cracker jack Tampon Phil…

    Your comment from the thread in question…

    ‘…Shadows are long. So it is sunrise or sunset. There isn’t much traffic. So probably sunrise. That takes place at 6:00 am. The missile launches started at at 03:55 several hundred miles away at least (Red Sea and Gulf). So the strike would have been ) 04:30 or later. So this is no more than 1 or 2 hours after the missile strike. Stuff should still be burning, if only remaining fuel in the tomahawks. It isn’t. No smoke marks either.

    1) There were NO missiles.
    or
    2) This is not an “after” shot of the site. It’s a “before” shot. So, the US bombed a demolition site.
    or
    ?..’

    • Replies: @Mikel
  59. Faker says:

    Putin folding:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-18/putin-reportedly-ready-deep-concessions-seeks-deal-trump

    Yup! Trump totally called his bluff.

    He was just a paper tiger all along.

  60. Mikel says:
    @FB

    Hey FB,

    The other day at the WWIII thread you said this:

    If Putin just keeps letting Tomahawks fly over his head he might as well let them shit on his head…

    Well, that’s pretty much what happened last Friday, isn’t it? I mean, by looking at a map, those missiles flying from the various allies’ carriers in the Mediterranean towards their Homs targets almost literally flew over the Tartus Russian Naval Base operators’ heads.

    It’s probably good for everybody that the Russians chose not to escalate after that largely symbolic attack but I don’t get why they didn’t also make some equally symbolic gesture. Flying one of their hypersonic missiles over the attackers’ vessels or ports in the Eastern Mediterranean, hitting some desert target (or even better an ISIS enclave) inside Syrian territory occupied by the US, scare some of the US Arab allies in the Gulf with some similar non-lethal flyover à la Kim-Jong-Un over Japan,…

    I find it quite difficult to understand what good it is to possess all those technologically superior weapons Martyanov and yourself have been informing us about if all you’re going to do is brag about them with a virtual-reality screen behind you but you’re not willing to at least show their capabilities when your ally on the ground is being attacked by a group of bullies.

    What’s your take on that? Why is Russia acting this way? Is that not inviting further aggression at a time of dangerous hawks taking over key positions in the White House?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Erebus
  61. @Faker

    Anyone with even a scant claim to being “informed” has heard of Robert Fisk and many of them do care about what he says. Don’t look now but you may have just outed yourself as a moron.

    • Replies: @Faker
  62. FB says:

    ‘…What’s your take on that? Why is Russia acting this way?..’

    True…I had advocated for a forceful response…but you are leaving out the now established fact that Syrian air defenses shot down most of the incoming cruise missiles…the Russian air defenses won this skirmish hands down…

    You cannot ignore this fact…Tass is reporting details on a number of cruise missiles that targeted SIX Syrian airfields…all of them were shot down with Pantsir and other SAMs…only three T-hawks got through the air defenses at Homs airfield…causing no damage…while 13 of the 16 were downed…

    The pentagon is claiming, quite ridiculously, that they targeted only three ‘chemical’ sites which were indeed hit…but targeted no airfields…

    This in contrast to their pre-strike rhetoric that they would target eight sites, including airfields…

    Now…when nearly all the missiles targeting airfields have been intercepted…they change their story…

    Which in itself would not be so bad…unless one looks at their NEW story…which is that they launched 76 T-hawk missiles at one site in the Damascus area…the Barzeh research center…which is about 5,000 square meters…about half a hectare or one acre…

    I have posted a technical analysis debunking this conclusively on another thread…

    Go ahead and read it…and then come back if you have any further questions…it’s all there…a great high res picture from the day after the strike…as well as a sat pic from the pentagon…

    I dissected the nonsensical idea that 34 tons of high explosives had hit this small area while buildings, light poles and small stands of pine trees on the perimeter are unharmed…I demonstrated this using the Kingery Bulmash equations for explosive force which are used by the US DoD, the UN and are considered authoritative…

    So the pentagon bullshit is exposed…there were maybe three or four missiles that actually hit that site…not 76…

    Sorry if that’s not what you’d like to hear…but you might learn something about science and physics by reading my analysis…

    I also posted another technical comment on the Mike Whitney thread…explaining the basics of the flight characteristics of cruise missiles and how they can be defended…

    Again …not something you might want to hear…but no doubt another ‘learning moment’ for you…

    So while I do agree that Putin is perceived by the koolaid drinkers in the West that he blinked…the reality of this little air war is that the US tomahawk attack got creamed by Russian air defenses run by Syrians…

    The US version of events is completely debunked…they got creamed…most of the missiles were downed…as I would have expected…

    • Replies: @Mikel
  63. peterAUS says:
    @Mikel

    I don’t get why they didn’t also make some equally symbolic gesture. Flying one of their hypersonic missiles over the attackers’ vessels or ports in the Eastern Mediterranean, hitting some desert target (or even better an ISIS enclave) inside Syrian territory occupied by the US, scare some of the US Arab allies in the Gulf with some similar non-lethal flyover

    You can’t get it. You are just an average person.
    You simply can’t comprehend it. Not your fault, mind you.

    But to understand it you have to be a genius.

    The Master Genius simply knows what’s he doing. A bit lesser geniuses can comprehend it and, perhaps, indulge in trying to explain that to you. Of course you can’t get it but they’ll show how great and nice they are. O.K. perhaps not nice but great for sure.

    What’s your take on that? Why is Russia acting this way? Is that not inviting further aggression at a time of dangerous hawks taking over key positions in the White House?

    It’s a master move in multi-dimensional chess play. No offense but you lack faculties to get it.
    Me too.

    No problem.
    As long as serfs in Russia itself buy all that all is good.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Mikel
  64. Faker says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Nope. Nobody cares what a washed up reporter for a fading newspaper has to say. But I did notice the Kremlin’s “Fisk coordination” across RT, Sputnik, Zero Hedge, discussion boards, Russia Insider, etc., etc.
    And… nobody cared.

  65. FB says:
    @peterAUS

    Of course Potatohead Peter has to put in his two cents worth…

    • Replies: @Anon
  66. Mikel says:
    @FB

    Thanks for your reply, FB. You have provided all the information that I required.
    I wouldn’t have asked those questions to Martyanov because I think that it would have been utterly pointless but I did think that asking you was a worthwhile effort and, indeed, you have dispelled my doubts.
    Best regards,
    Mikel

  67. Mikel says:
    @peterAUS

    It’s a master move in multi-dimensional chess play. No offense but you lack faculties to get it.
    Me too.

    Well, at least we both get that we lack those faculties. Some others believe that they have it all figured out and live in a realm of “established facts” outside of our grasp.

    But, unlike you, I’d be a wiling participant of Team Russia. Just not this one.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  68. Svigor says:

    Russia appears to have surrendered to SpaceX in the global launch market

    As recently as 2013, Russia controlled about half of the global commercial launch industry with its fleet of rockets, including the Proton boosters. But technical problems with the Proton, as well as competition from SpaceX and other players, has substantially eroded the Russian share. This year, it may only have about 10 percent of the commercial satellite launch market, compared to as much as 50 percent for SpaceX.

    LOL.

  69. Svigor says:

    Actually, I shouldn’t laugh. I’d like to see Russia thrive, including in the burgeoning space race deux. But I can’t help taunting the flatheads…

  70. Erebus says:
    @Mikel

    … scare some of the US Arab allies in the Gulf with some similar non-lethal flyover à la Kim-Jong-Un over Japan,…

    I can’t disagree on the face of it. A dozen disarmed Kalibrs with dummy warheads slamming into the runways at Al Udeid and/or Akrotiri would have sent the required messages to the required recipients, and not just the aggressors.

    As it is, the Kremlin’s passivity has been looking less and less like 4D chess, and more and more like there’s some serious disconnects between the players within its walls. Gerasimov went out on a limb, and while an abject failure of an attack may have been negotiated behind the scenes, his words still echo to his detriment. Visibly at least, he stood down.

    OTOH, Pat Lang reports that the original plans were for a much larger strike:

    I am told that the old neocon crew argued as hard as possible for a disabling massive air and missile campaign intended to destroy the Syrian government’s ability to fight the mostly jihadi rebels. John Bolton, General (ret.) Jack Keane and many other neocons argued strongly for this campaign as a way to reverse the outcome of the civil war. James Mattis managed to obtain President Trump’s approval for a much more limited and largely symbolic strike but Trump was clearly inclined to the neocon side of the argument.

    http://www.unz.com/plang/the-neocons-are-selling-koolaid-again/

    We know Gerasimov and Dunford are communicating directly. Did Dunford talk Gerasimov into giving him this one, and pitched a soft ball down the middle as his end of the deal? It looks plausible to me. All the internal and external parties in both capitals that needed to hear a sensible message got the one they needed to hear. Dunsford can tell Bolton et al “Imagine, you idiot, what would’ve happened with 300 missiles aimed for targets of real value? The Russians would have lit up their AD, we wouldn’t’ve hit shit, and knowing Valeri as I do we would’ve lost something big. Donald C. Cook big. Got it? Now, go tell your warmongering friends.”

    Who knows…

    Parenthetically, an article by Publius Tacitus on Lang’s site opens by stating:

    Do not believe a word you have heard from the Pentagon and the White House about the “success” of the cruise missile strikes on Friday last. A fraud is being perpetrated on the American people and the world at large. Frankly, General Mattis and General Dunford have dishonored themselves by going along with this charade.

    He reports that the operators in CAOC (Combined Air Operations Center), Al Udeid are up in arms with a “mixture of disgust, shock and anger” over the strike. Basically, they’re unhappy that the attack was fully coordinated with the Russians, that “well over 50%” of their missiles were intercepted, and finally by the chest beating lies and nonsense coming out of Washington to try to mask the previous 2 facts.

    So, if Gerasimov had to take one on the chin for Team Sanity, it seems Dunford and Mattis joined him. Perhaps we owe a debt of gratitude to the 3 of them, with Shoigu a very likely 4th.

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  71. Anon[997] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Again rabid is biting. After let go Svigor, its biting poor Peter. The last vaccine not working, need larger dose. We will keep track and let Ron take note so he might consider to put it down some time later.

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/alas-this-is-far-from-over/#comment-2294490

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/alas-this-is-far-from-over/#comment-2293218

    • Replies: @FB
    , @peterAUS
  72. FB says:
    @Anon

    Nice dog…

    I guess he’s angry because you told him you were going to cook him for lunch…?

    [Old oriental custom...]

  73. FB says:
    @Erebus

    Good comment…

    Far better in fact than Yoda Shamir’s jokefest up on the site today…

    I too have checked out both those articles on Lang’s blog…but I have no idea how accurate that ‘insider’ information from CAOC may be…or even who this Publius might be…’

    Bottom line…there is no way to tell just what kind of behind the scenes coordination has taken place…if any…

    I do agree that the Russian side has lost face…and this is not good…as it is only throwing red meat to the crazies…

    Also strongly agree that the Russians could and should have made some kind of symbolic strike as you suggested…

    The whole thing lies in perceptions…the US koolaid machine reigns supreme over humanity…they just grind out that sausage and people scarf it down like shit-eating dogs…[to borrow another commenter's most apropos usage]

    I am beginning to think about the possibility that the US media is THE most powerful force in our entire geopolitical system…[along with its EU and other vassal media sockpuppets...]…with the political class in reaction mode to what the media cranks out as the agenda…

    But you never know…DC is full of nuts who believe their own koolaid…that is certainly dangerous…

    As for the possible coordination…I would say the only thing we can assume with a high degree of confidence is that Dunford and Mattis took Gerasimov’s statements seriously…because they know well what G is capable of throwing their way…

    And based on that…Mattis tried to scale down the attack…over the objections of crazies like Bolton and very likely Dump himself…who is known for brinkmanship [even though he never has any actual skin in the game]

    That does not mean necessarily that the Russians were given details of the targets etc…

    It is not actually necessary to have that kind of ‘softball lob’ in order to defend against this size of cruise missile attack…

    I will be exploring the technical details some more to shed some light on this whole thing…

    • Replies: @Erebus
  74. Erebus says:
    @FB

    …but I have no idea how accurate that ‘insider’ information from CAOC may be…or even who this Publius might be…’

    Well, as the saying goes: “On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog”. Pat Lang, who I’ve followed on and off for a few years has proven himself a reliable, clear headed thinker. I doubt he’d let Publius, who writes frequently, publish stuff that isn’t up to the mark. Other than that, YMMV.

    I am beginning to think about the possibility that the US media is THE most powerful force in our entire geopolitical system…

    FB, I assume you’re American, but where I am, I couldn’t find CNN et al unless I paid good money to look for it, and then even more money to watch/read it. I’m a cheapskate, so I don’t. IOW, it’s powerful in its home stadium, but dissipates at an inverse cube rate outside. Of course, TPTB don’t actually care what us proles think. They care what politically active people, party members, think and that’s their audience.

    It is not actually necessary to have that kind of ‘softball lob’ in order to defend against this size of cruise missile attack…

    I think Publius’, and by extension Lang’s, point was that every parameter of the salvo was negotiated. Which missiles, how many, to which targets, when, from what launch platforms, etc. That the Russians didn’t light up indicates that they had negotiated a strike that the Syrians could handle by themselves (… ahem!). The Syrian defenders are now heroes, the guys at CAOC are pissed, the Neocons are staring at their shoes, Trump crows about “sending a message”, while Lavrov condemns yet another criminal attack. What’s not to like?

    Anyway, that’s what is making me think that the adults at the top of the two military pyramids got together and said “OK, let’s give the kids what they’re clamouring for, but give them a lesson at the same time. Oh, and nobody gets hurt.” Once the Pentagon’s salvo reports start coming in, I’ll bet Bolton will be clamouring a lot less rabidly, and I also expect that the next time a McCain/Kagan/Boot/Kristol etc buttonhole him on why “We’re not going after the Russkies”, John will tell them the awful truth. As his Neocon credentials are beyond reproach, there’s simply no better man to bring that truth to those circles.

    BTW, unofficial damage reports coming out of Syria (guys on Twitter counting craters) indicate that the actual numbers of missiles that got through the defences and hit actual targets (as opposed to getting through and missing by meters, or flying off into the desert) was miniscule. On the order of a dozen, the numbers consistently fall into the 10-15 range from a number of these “missile chasers”. Those numbers may be braggadocio, but they’re consistent and therefore add to the suggestion that the whole affair was a piece of Kabuki theatre.

    • Replies: @FB
  75. FB says:

    Agree with you on Pat Lang and the point that he would likely not allow some wild guessing from guest contributors…

    ‘…Anyway, that’s what is making me think that the adults at the top of the two military pyramids got together and said “OK, let’s give the kids what they’re clamouring for, but give them a lesson at the same time. Oh, and nobody gets hurt.”’

    If this is how it went down then that would be a good sign…I have to admit your scenario sounds reasonable enough…let’s assume it went like that…

    The question then is…how did this close coordination come about…?

    Did it come from the two militaries who are in contact in Syria via the deconfliction channel…?

    And if so…which side initiated the ‘plan’…?

    I have no doubt that Gerasimov was dead serious about hitting back…those threats from the US were certainly taken as serious…so what changed…and when…?

    I also have to believe that there are tensions in the skies over Syria between the US and Russian airmen…that’s just the nature of the beast…and we have had reports of flareups especially from the US side about Russian pilots and ‘dangerous’ situations…and similar accusations from the Russian side…

    So I’m not that sure there isn’t military tension there that could just be smoothed over like that…

    We’ll have to wait and see…but I always like to base my assessments on something more concrete than speculation…

    The cruise missile is not some kind of invincible weapon for anything other than a defenseless country…

    Even if those missiles were fired in anger and with the intent to hit targets…it should not surprise anyone that Syrian defenses were able to knock down a couple dozen…they are integrated into the very capable Russian radars in country…and those Russian EAW planes also…

    The Russian MoD statement says six different airfields were attacked…of those five of them were defended with perfect success…while the sixth field saw three out of 16 missiles get through…

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/[email protected]

  76. FB says:
    @Erebus

    ‘…I couldn’t find CNN et al unless I paid good money to look for it, and then even more money to watch/read it. I’m a cheapskate, so I don’t…’

    You’re not missing much…I don’t watch the idiot box at all…but I cam across this CNN ‘report’ on the Douma ‘chemical’ incident…

    ‘…Survivors of a chemical attack in Syria tell their stories for the first time…’

    Note the placeline…’Northern Syria’…

    No…CNN did not go to Douma where the ‘attack’ supposedly happened…but to the headchopper sanctuary in Northern Syria where they were bused to as per the evacuation deal…

    So out of 400,000 East Ghouta residents…the 350,000 that stayed behind don’t count…?

    But the 50,000 headchoppers and their multiple wives and hangers on that took the buses…including white helmets…they are the only Syrians…?

    That’s CNN for you…

    Everyone knows already about the Fisk report from Douma…and you probably saw on Pat Lang’s site the OAN report from that obscure American channel…

    But not our trusty CNN…they follow the chemical trail…

    Oh…and big kudos to Roger Waters…

  77. peterAUS says:
    @Mikel

    But, unlike you, I’d be a wiling participant of Team Russia. Just not this one.

    That’s an interesting point.
    If I may ask, what kind of “Team Russia” you’d be a willing participant of?
    And, how likely is that to happen? Any timeframe for that?
    Just curious.

    I guess the same applies for the “Team USA” but that’s a different story.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  78. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    My name popped up….

    Well, I disagree with

    ….let Ron take note so he might consider to put it down ..

    Two reasons:

    Free speech etc. Enough said.

    Then, it’s very good to see such posts and such posters in action.
    That for two reasons also.

    One, it’s not a bad learning experience about certain types.
    Then, there is another reason, but I’ll leave it out.

    Bottom line, more of the same (method/style/attitude) we see, better it is.

    Just an opinion.

  79. Mikel says:
    @peterAUS

    Never mind. I was just thinking about a Team Russia 2 with level-headed, realist Russians and pro-Russians such as Anatoly. I would be more of a supporter than a participant. Ideally, one would convince AP to get on board but there we have the Ukrainian thingy in the way.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  80. peterAUS says:
    @Mikel

    I was just thinking about a Team Russia 2 with level-headed, realist Russians and pro-Russians such as Anatoly. I would be more of a supporter than a participant. Ideally, one would convince AP to get on board but there we have the Ukrainian thingy in the way.

    Makes sense.
    Can’t see that happening during my remaining time on this Earth, but you are probably younger, so, who knows.
    Miracles do happen.

  81. Dani says:
    @aleksandar

    aleksandar, see, now this is what i hate most & everybody keeps failing to say anything about & we MUST…who is constantly left out of all of these equations, which consequently is exactly how (((they))) like/love it???? of course JewSA is not as powerful as they would like to think others see them…but all of these tactics work! we are splitting hairs over pecking orders while the bastards ultimately responsible are killing palestinians in cold blood, stealing & selling US technology (unit 8200 Talpiot) & making traitors & jackasses of all first world leaders.
    what is putin’s plan for Bibi? We need to hack off the head of the serpent, once & for all!!!!
    no physical or historical proof of 6mill killed Holohaux but plenty of proof for many millions russians/ukrainains executed & starved to death under bolshevism – i am ukrainian & want to know where are OUR reparations?
    enough is enough & people STILL won’t verbalize the big hooked-nosed centuries of lying mass executioner of european nations rat-faced serpenine luciferian ELEPHANT in the room….are we now waiting for next even year of 2020, perhaps? well i am ready now, i don’t care if my coward hypocrite POTUS is not!

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