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Introduction by the Saker: During my recent hurricane-induced evacuation from Florida, I had the pleasure to see some good friends of mine (White Russian emigrés and American Jews who now consider themselves American and who fully buy into the official propaganda about the US) who sincerely think of themselves as liberals, progressives and anti-imperialists. These are kind, decent and sincere people, but during our meeting they made a number of statements which completely contradicted their professed views. After writing this letter to them I realized that there might be many more people out there who, like myself, are desperately trying to open the eye of good but completely misled people about the reality of Empire. I am sharing this letter in the hope that it might maybe offer a few useful talking points to others in their efforts to open the eyes of their friends and relatives.

Dear friends:

During our conversation you stated the following:

  1. The US needs a military
  2. One of the reasons why the US needs a military are regimes like the North Korean one
  3. The US has a right to intervene outside its borders on a) pragmatic and b) moral grounds
  4. During WWII the US “saved Europe” and acquired a moral right to “protect” other friends and allies
  5. The Allies (USSR-US-UK) were morally superior to the Nazis
  6. The Americans brought peace, prosperity and freedom to Europe.
  7. Yes, mistakes were made, but this is hardly a reason to forsake the right to intervene

I believe that all seven of these theses are demonstratively false, fallacies based on profoundly mistaken assumptions and that they all can be debunked by common sense and indisputable facts.

But first, let me tackle the Delphic maxim “know thyself” as it is, I believe, central to our discussion. For all our differences I think that there are a number of things which you would agree to consider as axiomatically true, including that Germans, Russians, Americans and others are roughly of equal intelligence. They also are roughly equally capable of critical thinking, personal investigation and education. Right? Yet, you will also agree that during the Nazi regime in Germany Germans were very effectively propagandized and that Russians in Soviet Russia were also effectively propagandized by their own propaganda machine. Right? Do you have any reason to suppose that we are somehow smarter or better than those propagandized Germans and Russians and had we been in their place we would have immediately seen through the lies? Could it be that we today are maybe also not seeing through the lies we are being told?

It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place. Crucially, had the Nazis won WWII, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that the German people would have shown much skepticism about the version of history presented in their schools. Not only that, but I would submit that most Germans would also believe that they were free people and that the regime they live under was a benevolent one.

You doubt that?

Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was. Even Hitler’s personal secretary, Traudl Junge, used that excuse to explain how she could have worked for so many years with Hitler and even like him so much. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”. Well, may I ask – where are we sittting and are we so sure that we have an independent opinion which is not defined by where we sit (geographically, politically, socially and even professionally)?

You might ask about all the victims of the Nazi regime, would they not be able to present their witness to the German people and the likes of Traudl Junge? Of course not: the dead don’t speak very much, and their murderers rarely do (lest they themselves end up dead). Oh sure, there would be all sorts of dissidents and political activists who would know the truth, but the “mainstream” consensus under a victorious Nazi Germany would be that Hitler and the Nazis liberated Europe from the Judeo-Bolshevik hordes and the Anglo-Masonic capitalists.

This is not something unique to Germany, by the way. If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities. To some degree this is a good thing, because it counteracts decades of US anti-Soviet propaganda, but it often goes too far and ends up minimizing the actual human cost of the Bolshevik experiment in Russia.

So how do the US compare to Germany and Russia in this context?

Most Americans trust the version of history presented to them by their own “mainstream”. Why? How is their situation objectively different from the situation of Germans in a victorious Third Reich? Our modern narrative of WWII was also written by victors, victors who had a vested reason in demonizing all the other sides (Nazis and Soviets) while presenting us with a heroic tale of liberation. And here is the question which ought to really haunt us at night: what if we had been born not Russians and Jews after a Nazi defeat but if we had been born Germans after an Allied defeat in WWII? Would we have been able to show enough skepticism and courage to doubt the myths we were raised with? Or would we also be doubleplusgoodthinking little Nazis, all happy and proud to have defeated the evil Judeo-Bolshevik hordes and the Anglo-Masonic capitalists?

ORDER IT NOW

Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated. No wonder that we, Jews and Russians, don’t particularly care for that kind of genocidal racist views. But surely we can be humans before being Jews and Russians, and we can accept that what is bad for us is not necessarily bad for others. Sure, Hitler was bad news for Jews and Russians, but was he really so bad news for “pure” (Aryan Germanic) Germans? More importantly, if we had been born “pure” Germans, would have have cared a whole lot about Jews and Russians? I sure hope so, but I have my doubts. I don’t recall any of us shedding many tears about the poly-genocided (a word a coined for a unique phenomenon in history: the genocide of all the ethnicities of an entire continent!) Native Americans! I dare say that we are a lot more prone to whining about the “Holocaust” or “Stalinism”, even though neither of them ever affected us personally, (only our families and ethnicity) than about the poly-genocide of Native Americans. I very much doubt that our whining priorities would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche. Again, I hope that I am wrong. But I am not sure sure.

Either way, my point is this:

We are hard-coded to be credulous and uncritically accept all the demonization of Nazis and Soviets because we are Jews and White Russians. Careful here, I am NOT saying that the Nazis and Soviets were not evil – they definitely were – but what I am saying is that we, Jews and Russians, are far more willing to accept and endorse any version of history which makes the Nazis and Soviets some kind of exceptionally evil people and that, in contrast, we almost instinctively reject any notion that “our” side (in this case I mean *your* side, the American one since you, unlike me, consider yourselves American) was just as bad (if only because your side never murdered Jews and Russians). So let’s look at this “our/your side” for a few minutes.

By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans. Truly, Hitler would have been proud. But that is hardly all, the Anglo invaders then proceeded to wage another illegal and brutal war of annexation against Mexico from which is stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico! Yes, all this land was illegally occupied and stolen by your side not once, but TWICE! And do I even need to mention the horrors of slavery to add to the “moral tally” of your side by the time the US entered the war? Right there I think that there is more than enough evidence that your side was morally worse than either the Nazis or the Soviets. The entire history of the US is one of endless violence, plunder, hypocrisy, exploitation, imperialism, oppression and wars. Endless wars of aggression. None of them defensive by any stretch of the imagination. That is quite unique in human history. Can you think of a nastier, more bloodthirsty regime? I can’t.

Should I even mention the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

I can just hear you say that yes, this was horrible, but that does not change the fact that in WWII the US “saved Europe”. But is that really so?

To substantiate my position, I have put together a separate PDF file which lists 5 sources, 3 in English, 2 in Russian. You can download it here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByibNV3SiUooWExTNGhMTGF5azQ

I have translated the key excerpts of the Russian sources and I am presenting them along with the key excerpts of the English sources. Please take a look at this PDF and, if you can, please read the full original articles I quote. I have stressed in bold red the key conclusions of these sources. You will notice that there are some variations in the figures, but the conclusions are, I think, undeniable. The historical record show that:

  1. The Soviet Union can be credited with the destruction of roughly 80% of the Nazi military machine. The US-UK correspondingly can be credited with no more than 20% of the Allied war effort.
  2. The scale and scope of the battles on the Eastern Front completely dwarf the biggest battles on the Western Front. Battles in the West involved Divisions and Brigades, in the East they involved Armies and Groups of Armies. That is at least one order of magnitude of difference.
  3. The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war.

The truth is that the Americans only entered the war when it was clear that the Nazis would be defeated and that their real motive was not the “liberation of oppressed Europe” but to prevent the Soviets from occupying all of Europe. The Americans never gave a damn about the mass murder of Jews or Russians, all they cared about was a massive land-grab (yet again).

[Sidebar: By the way, and lest you think that I claim that only Americans act this way, here is another set of interesting dates:

Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: August 6 and 9, 1945

Soviet Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation: August 9–20, 1945

We can clearly see the same pattern here: the Soviets waited until it was absolutely certain that the US had defeated the Japanese empire before striking it themselves. It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers! That should tell you a little something about the kind of military machine the Soviet Union had developed in the course of the war against Nazi Germany (see here for a superb US study of this military operation)]

Did the Americans bring peace and prosperity to western Europe?

To western Europe, to some degree yes, and that is because was easy for them: they ended the war almost “fresh”, their (stolen) homeland did not suffer the horrors of war and so, yes, they could bring in peanut butter, cigarettes and other material goods. They also made sure that Western Europe would become an immense market for US goods and services and that European resources would be made available to the US Empire, especially against the Soviet Union. And how did they finance this “generosity”? By robbing the so-called Third World blind, that’s all. Is that something to be proud of? Did Lenin not warn as early as 1917 that “imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism”? The wealth of Western Europe was built by the abject poverty of the millions of Africans, Asians and Latin Americas.

But what about the future of Europe and the European people?

There a number of things upon which the Anglos and Stalin did agree to at the end of WWII: The four Ds: denazification, disarmament, demilitarisation, and democratisation of a united Germany and reparations to rebuilt the USSR. Yes, Stalin wanted a united, neutral Germany. As soon as the war ended, however, the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program and to subvert the Soviet Union. Worse, they immediately developed plans to attack the Soviet Union. Right at the end of the WWII, Anglo powers had at least THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable. Here are some basic reminders from Wikipedia about what these operations were about:

Operation Dropshot: included mission profiles that would have used 300 nuclear bombs and 29,000 high-explosive bombs on 200 targets in 100 cities and towns to wipe out 85% of the Soviet Union’s industrial potential at a single stroke. Between 75 and 100 of the 300 nuclear weapons were targeted to destroy Soviet combat aircraft on the ground.

Plan Totality: earmarked 20 Soviet cities for obliteration in a first strike: Moscow, Gorki, Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yaroslavl.

Operation Unthinkable: assumed a surprise attack by up to 47 British and American divisions in the area of Dresden, in the middle of Soviet lines. This represented almost a half of roughly 100 divisions (ca. 2.5 million men) available to the British, American and Canadian headquarters at that time. (…) The majority of any offensive operation would have been undertaken by American and British forces, as well as Polish forces and up to 100,000 German Wehrmacht soldiers.

[Were you aware of these? If not, do you now wonder why?]

I am not making these things up, you can look it up for yourself on Wikipedia and elsewhere. This is the Anglo idea of how you deal with Russian “allies”: you stab them in the back with a surprise nuclear attack, you obliterate most of their cities and you launch the Nazi Wehrmacht against them.

I won’t even go into the creation of NATO (before the WTO was created in response) or such petty crimes as false flag terrorist attack (Operation Gladio).

[Have you ever heard of Operation Gladio or the August 1980 “Bologna massacre”, the bombing of the Bologna train station by NATO secret terrorist forces, a false-flag terrorist attack (85 dead, over 200 wounded) designed to discredit the Communist Party of Italy? If not – do you now wonder why you never heard of this?]

The sad reality is that the US intervention in Europe was a simple land-grab, that the Cold War was an Anglo creation, as was the partition of Europe, and that since WWII the US always treated Europe as a colony form which to fight the “Communist” threat (i.e. Russia).

But, let’s say that I am all wrong. For argument’s sake. Let’s pretend that the kind-hearted Americans came to Europe to free the European people. They heroically defeated Hitler and brought (Western) Europe peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness, etc. etc. etc.

Does this good deed give the US a license for future interventions? You both mentioned WWII as an example and a justification for the need for the US to maintain a military large enough to counter regimes such as the North Korean one, right? So, let me ask again,

Does the fact that the US altruistically, kindly and heroically liberated Europe from both the Nazis and the Soviets now grant the moral legitimacy to other, subsequent, US military interventions against other abhorrent, aggressive or evil regimes/countries out there?

If you reply “no” – then why did you mention it as a justification?

If you reply “yes” – then please forgive me for being so obtuse and ask you for how long this “license to militarily intervene” remains valid? One year? Five years? Maybe ten or even seventy years? Or maybe this license grants such a moral right to the US ad aeternam, forever? Seriously, if the US did liberate Europe and bring it peace and happiness, are we to assume that this will remain true forever and everywhere?

I also want to ask you this: let’s say, for the argument’s sake, that the moral license given by the US participation in the war in Europe is, truly, forever. Let’s just assume that, okay? But let me ask you this: could it be revoked (morally, conceptually)? Say the US did something absolutely wonderful in Europe. What about the subsequent horrors in southeast Asia, Latin America or the Middle-East. How many murdered, maimed, occupied, terrorized, bombed and otherwise genocided “non-West Europeans” would it take to outweigh the putatively “happily liberated” Europeans which, according to you, grant the US the license to intervene? Even if the US in Europe was all noble and pure, do the following seventy years of evil mass murder worldwide really count for nothing or does there come a point were “enough is enough” and the license cam be revoked, morally speaking, by people like us, like you?

May I point out to you that your words spoken in defense of a supposed need for the US to maintain a military capable of overseas operations strongly suggest that you believe that the US has a moral right (if not a duty!) to conduct such operations, which means that the post WWII atrocity-tally of the US is not, in your opinion, sufficient to elicit a “enough is enough” reaction in you. Are you sure that you are comfortable with this stance?

In theory, there could be another reason to revoke such a moral license. After all, one can have the moral right to do something, but not necessarily the capability to do so. If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so. Right? So when you say that the US needs to maintain a military capable of protecting friends and allies from rogue and dangerous regimes like the one in North Korea, you do imply that besides having the right to extend such a protection the US also has the capabilities and the expertise to do so?

Really?

And what is the evidence for that, may I ask?!

ORDER IT NOW

I asked you to name me a single successful US military intervention since WWII and you could name none. Good! I agree with you. The reality is that every single US military operation since WWII has resulted in a disaster either on the humanitarian, political and military level (often on all of them combined). Even Grenada was a total (military) failure! Also, do you see who sits in the White House today? Do you really want The Donald in charge of protecting “our friends and allies” and are you confident that he has the skillset needed to do this competently? Or Hillary for that matter? Even Sanders has a record of defending catastrophic military operations, such as the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2006 which, you guessed it (or not), ended in abject defeat for the Israelis and untold civilians horrors in Lebanon. But forget the President, take a look at US generals – do they inspire in you the belief that they are the kind of people who can be trusted to skillfully execute a military intervention inspired by moral and ethical reasons?! What about US “Congresspersons”? Would you trust them? So where do you see honest and competent “saviors of others” in the US polity?

Did you notice that there was no Islamic State in Iraq before the US invasion? Or did you notice that ever since the US declared a war on ISIS the latter has been getting stronger and stronger and taking over more countries. Yes, of course, once the Russians got involved ISIS began suffering defeat after defeat, but all the Americans had to say about the Russian intervention was to denounce it and predict it would fail. So why is it that the Russians are so good at fighting ISIS and the Americans, and they allies, so bad? Do you really want the Americans in charge of world security with such a record?!

Is insanity not repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

Now I hear the reply you gave me to this point. You said “yes, mistakes were made”.

Mistakes?!

I don’t think that millions of murdered people, including hundreds of thousands of children, are “mistakes” (how would you react it somebody conceded to you that Hitler and Stalin made “mistakes”?). But there is something even more insidious in this notion of “mistake”.

How would you define “success”?

Say the US armed forces were not only good at killing people (which they are), but also good at winning wars (which they ain’t). Say the US had been successful in not only invading Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in fully pacifying these countries. Say the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been successfully defeated, their economy had bounced back, and democratic regimes put in power: capitalism everywhere, 100 channels on each TV, McDonalds in every Afghan villages, gay pride parades in downtown Kabul, gender-neutral toilets in every mosque, elections every 4 years or so and not a single shot fired, not a single bomb going off? Would that be a “success”?

I pray to God and hope with all my heart that your reply to this question is a resounding “no!!”. Because if you answered “yes” then you are truly messianic genocidal imperialists. Yup, I mean that. Why? Because your notion of “success” is the spiritual, psychological and cultural death of an ancient civilization and that makes you, quite literally, an mortal enemy of mankind as a whole. I can’t even imagine such a horror. So I am sure that you answered “no!!” as every decent human being would, right?

But then what is a “success”? You clearly don’t mean the success as defined by your rulers (they would enthusiastically support such an outcome; in fact – they even promise it every time over and over again!). But if their idea of “success” is not yours, and if you would never want any other nation, people or ethnicity to ever become to victim of such as “successful” military intervention, why do you still want your rulers with their satanic notion of “success” to have the means to be “successful” in the future? And that in spite of the fact that the historical record shows that they can’t even achieve any type of “success” even by their own definition, nevermind yours?!

Did you notice that nowhere in my arguments above did I mention the fact that the US has never asked people (as opposed to local Comprador elites) whether they wanted to be saved by Uncle Sam or not? Neither did they ask the American people if they wanted to go to war, hence all the well-known false flags from the “remember the Maine”, to the sinking of the RMS Lusitania, to Pearl Harbor, to the “Gulf of Tonkin incident”, to September 11th: every time a lie had to be concocted to convince the American people that they had to go to war. Is that really people power? Is this democracy?!

Are there people out there, anybody, who really favor US military interventions? Yes, I suppose that there are. Like the Kosovo Albanians. I suspect that the Afghan Tajiks and Hazara were pretty happy to see the US bomb the crap of the Taliban. So there might be a few cases. Oh, and I forgot our Balt and Ukrainian friends (but then, they were also happy when the Nazis came, hardly much of an example). But it is pretty safe to say that in reality nobody wants to be liberated by Uncle Sam, hence the wordwide use of the “Yankee go home” slogan.

This letter is already way too long, and I will forgo the listing of all the reasons why the US are pretty much hated all over the planet, not by the ruling elites, of course, but by the regular people. And when I say “the US” I don’t mean Paul Newman, Mark Twain, Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino, James Taylor or the Bill of Rights or the beautiful country called “the US”. But the regime, as opposed to any one specific government or administration in Washington, the regime is what truly universally hated. I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America. But the hate for the Empire is quasi universal by now. Only the political elites whose status, power and well-being is dependent on the Empire do, in fact, support the Empire and what it stands for. Everybody else despises what the US stands for today. And every military intervention only makes this worse.

And you want to make sure this continues? Really?

Right now the US is desperately trying to save al-Qaeda (aka IS, ISIS, Daesh, al-Nusra, etc.) from defeat in Syria. How is that for a moral stance after 9/11 (that is, if you accept the official narrative about 9/11; if you understand that 9/11 was a controlled demolition in which al-Qaeda patsies were used as a smokescreen, then this makes sense, by the way).

By the way – who are the current allies the US are so busy helping now?

The Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia

The Nazi regime in the Ukraine and

The last officially racist regime on the planet in Israel

Do these really strike you as allies worth supporting?!

And what are the American people getting form all that? Nothing but poverty, oppression, shame, hatred, fear and untold physical, psychological and moral suffering.

These are the fruits of Empire. Every Empire. Always.

You mentioned that every time you see a veteran you thanked him for his service. Why? Do you really think that he fought in a just war, that his service is something he can be proud of? Did he fight for his people? Did he defend the innocent? Or was he an occupier in a foreign land and, if he saw combat, did he not kill people who defended their own land, their families and their way of life? What exactly do you thank that veteran for? For following orders? But is that not something the Nuremberg trials specifically condemned as immoral and illegal?

Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”. Well, you clearly are not aware of how Russian soldiers live nowadays, under your hated Putin, but that is besides the point. The question which I wanted to ask you then and which I will ask you now is this: is the comfortable lifestyle granted to US Marines good enough a reason to be a Marine – that is being part of the very first force called in to murder innocent people and invade countries? Do you even know what Marines did to Fallujah recently? How much is a human soul worth? And it is really your belief that being being a hired killer for the Empire is an honorable way of life? And should you think that I am exaggerating, please read the famous essay “War is a Racket” by Marine Brigadier General Smedley Butler, who had the highest rank a Marine could achieve in this time and who was the most decorated Marine in history. If war is a racket, does that not make Marines professional racketeers, hired thugs who act as enforcers for the mobsters in power? Ask yourself this: what would be the roughly equivalent counterparts of the US Marines in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia? To help you answer this question, let me offer a short quote from the Wikipedia entry about the Marine Corps: (emphasis added)

The Marine Corps was founded to serve as an infantry unit aboard naval vessels and was responsible for the security of the ship and its crew by conducting offensive and defensive combat during boarding actions and defending the ship’s officers from mutiny; to the latter end, their quarters on ship were often strategically positioned between the officers’ quarters and the rest of the vessel.

Does that help you identify their Nazi or Soviet counterparts?

Of all people, is it not we, Jews and Russians, who ought to recognize and categorically reject the trappings of Empire and all the rationalizations used to justify the subservient service to Empires?

I believe that history shows beyond any doubt that all Empires are evil, inherently and essentially, evil. They are also therefore equally evil. Shall I explain why?

Do you know what crimes is considered the ultimate, supreme, most evil crime under international law? It is not genocide, or crimes against humanity. Nope, the ultimate crime is the crime of aggression (that, by the way, makes every single US President a war criminal under international law, think of it!). In the the words of the chief American prosecutor at Nuremberg, Robert H. Jackson, the crime of aggression is the ultimate crime because “it contains within itself the accumulated evil” of all the other war crimes. Well, to paraphrase Jackson, imperialism contains within itself all the accumulated evil of all empires. Guantanamo, Hiroshima, Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Gladio and all the rest, they “come with the territory”, they are not the exception, they are the norm.

The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire. The support, even tacit and passive, of this Empire by people like yourself only delays this outcome and allows this abomination to to bring even more misery and pain upon millions of innocent people, including millions of your fellow Americans. This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia, with war and possibly nuclear war and that, in turn, means that this Empire threatens the survival of the human species. Whether the US Empire is the most evil one in history is debatable, but the fact that it is by far the most dangerous one is not. Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”? What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species? Or will it take a nuclear winter to open your eyes to the true nature of the Empire you apparently are still supporting against all evidence?

 
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  1. nickels says:

    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill’s jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain’s goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

  2. peterAUS says:

    Whooaah……………

    Anyway.

    Apologize for being the first and with “wrong” attitude. Time zones I guess.

    What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?

    A conviction that Russia or/and China would not fill the empty space after US pulling out/weakening.

    Disclaimer:
    Thinking as one of those, quote: “Balt and Ukrainian”, “Kosovo Albanians” and, my addition:
    Finns
    Polish
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    Hungarians
    Slovenians
    Croats
    Albanians (proper)
    Romanians
    Bulgarians.
    Georgians
    …will stop here…there are more there but, no need….

    And, yes:
    Taiwanese
    South Korean
    ..probably more but let’s not get carried away.

    So, probably the best for this “debate” would be if people from that list just don’t get involved.

    You…the rest…….enjoy.

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  3. Thirdeye says:

    Overall valid thesis undone by the inclusion of a bunch of extraneous and erroneous rubbish, from the supposed “polygenocide” to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I think The Saker’s heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.

    • Agree: Alden, Ace
  4. Sharrukin says:

    Could it be that we today are maybe also not seeing through the lies we are being told?

    It could indeed. It could also be that the extent and nature of the German crimes against Judaism are as much a part of Allied propaganda as anything else was during and after the war. Wouldn’t it in fact be surprising if they weren’t?

    Arno Düre confessed to taking part in the Katyn Massacre where Germans slaughtered Poles, which we now know to have been carried out by the Soviets. The Cold War allowed this to come out, but would it have ever been revealed if not for that?

    Kurt Gerstein confessed to taking part in the extermination of 25 million Jews, which is about 10 million more Jews than were alive at the time.

    This doesn’t make the Germans the good guys, nor does it excuse their horrific conduct towards Jews and others, but it should make one a little more cynical regarding what we ‘think’ we know.

    The false Kuwait baby incubator story that helped sell the US war against Iraq shows that even today we are not as clever or discerning as we imagine. This in an age when we actually have alternative avenues of information to fact check the media.

    • Replies: @isthatright
  5. utu says:

    Looks like you had a really rough time with your friends. Think how far out you are from the reality of average Americans.

    I liked the 1st half about all the bandits participating in the WWII. And the history written by the winner.

    I like you assessment of Russia and the unfortunate situation that the perpetrators of Soviet crimes outlived and outbred their victims and nobody is remorseful. If God is just Russia will pay for the omission of atonement for its sins. That Russian pride themselves for defeating the III Reich it is just like bragging among the murders who is the baddest.

    “And when I say “the US” I don’t mean Paul Newman, Mark Twain, Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino, James Taylor…” How many just and righteous men were needed to save Sodom and Gomorrah. Does the US have enough of them? Are you sure Tarantino belongs to the list? Americans are more responsible for the deeds of their Empire than Germans or Russians for III Reich or USSR or at least the ones who insist that they live in true democracy.

    The support, even tacit and passive, of this Empire by people like yourself only delays – Perhaps God should smite only those.

    I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere – Perhaps because many perceive Americans as children who one day will grow up. This might be a benevolent mistake.

    I liked what you insinuated about the US Marines. I would say give them an opportunity an they will demonstrate they are worse than SS and NKVD combined. The training and brainwashing in the ability to kill w/o thinking far exceeds what ever was done in Germany and USSR. On top of it there is complete absence of warrior chivalry, that one could still spot even among some SS but not in NKVD, that was completely replaced with that American pragmatism that knows no mercy and no true honor.

    and I forgot our Balt and Ukrainian friends (but then, they were also happy when the Nazis came, hardly much of an example) – No, that is very good example on the awfulness of Soviet regime and its crimes that many were willing rather to go with the Nazis. In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    Because if you answered “yes” then you are truly messianic genocidal imperialists. – Excellent point!

    • Replies: @ondrej
  6. “The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.”
    …and replace it with what, another empire? Isn’t that what the empire did in Iraq and Afghanistan? What were the results in those places?

    “Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”?”
    Many people do exactly this. I’m one of them.

    “What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?”
    Which side am I supposed to join exactly? Didn’t you just get done telling us that all empires are equally evil? Tell you what, until something better comes along, I’ll just be on my side.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @jacques sheete
  7. 5371 says:

    The US didn’t have 20 nuclear weapons in 1945, and didn’t have 300 in 1949. So neither of those was a practical plan, and nor was the third, even according to its own authors.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  8. Wally says: • Website

    What a dumsky with his ‘garbage in, garbage out’ virtue signalling.

    Childish, misinformed, Zionist propaganda in plain sight:

    “Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was. Even Hitler’s personal secretary, Traudl Junge, used that excuse to explain how she could have worked for so many years with Hitler and even like him so much. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”. Well, may I ask – where are we sittting and are we so sure that we have an independent opinion which is not defined by where we sit (geographically, politically, socially and even professionally)?”

    ‘The German’s didn’t know how bad the ‘Nazis’ were’ because there was no ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ to know about.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    “Ach,” he said, “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”

    - “holocaust historian” Raul Hilberg

  9. In 1941, during WWII, Harry Truman wanted a brutal and prolonged conflict in order to inflict as much death and destruction in Europe as possible, declaring:

    “If we see Germany winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible.”

    The US (as expressed by one of its key leaders) wanted the brutal war to continue for as long as possible, so that as many Russians and Germans as possible would be killed, (with other Europeans, including Jews, as inevitable collateral casualties in that process,) so that the US could then step in at the end to dominate war-destroyed Europe.

    And that was exactly what happened: Some 27 million Soviet people were killed, about 16% of their population, while the Americans and British delayed starting a western front until after the outcome was largely decided, then raced to seize control of as much of Europe and of the credit as possible at the end:

    “It was not until well after the Nazis’ fortunes had been decisively reversed at Stalingrad that the long-promised ‘second front’ [by the US and Britain] actually materialized. Indeed, by this point the outcome of the war had effectively already been determined. D-Day, then, was waged not to defeat the Nazis but to ensure the Soviet Union, who had borne almost all of the sacrifice, would not reap the fruits of their victory.”

    British Troops Enter Syria and Libya to Ensure That War Outlives ISIS

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/15/british-troops-enter-syria-and-libya-to-ensure-that-war-outlives-isis/

    It seems like the US is following this same pattern again in Syria: prolong the brutal war and suffering for as long as possible, and now race at the end to be able to falsely claim credit (for the defeat of ISIS) and seize control (via a Kurdistan proxy).

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  10. Heros says:

    Saker, from deep within his Russo-Soviet, Intelligence Community, and now apparently Judaic bubble as well, chastises Americans for being in their own Yankee-doodle propaganda bubble. A pox on all of them.

    The Jewish-bolschevics won the cold war. The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now. Each with a different flavored frosting of democracy.

    Saker manages to dance around Nuremburg and the “Holocaust”. He never mentions lend lease and all the other illegal activities led by the cabal without which Stalin, Moscow and the USSR would not have survived the winter of 1941/2 let alone achieved victory.

    Unfortunately for Saker, you cannot have an honest discussion of the last 100 years of history without bringing up Freemasonry, Judaism and other sinister forces and the effects they had on WWI, Versailles, Poland 1939, the “Holocaust”, Nuremburg and most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    Otherwise Saker is merely spewing narrative at one propaganda bubble from within another one.

  11. “the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, ”

    -This is not really true, they waited until 1947, after starving and tortured the German civilian population for 2 years under the Morgenthau Plan, which actually was quite a nice treatment, compared to the initial Morgenthau Plan that wanted to exterminate 20 million German civilians.(Morgenthau was a jew btw, another genocidal one, go figure)

    The reason the allies stopped starving the German civilians was not due to their high moral standards however, they were just worried the German civilians would rather live under soviet where they were allowed to eaten then live under USA and starve to death.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @RadicalCenter
  12. LauraMR says:

    Crimes committed at one point in history cannot, in general, by compared to crimes committed at another point in history.

    Europeans 2,000 years ago were an entirely different people than Europeans 1,200 or 500 years ago. Same geographical location but completely distinct populations. To the point, these populations would have not recognized each other. Indeed, even a gap of a few generations is enough to produce folks with different lore, priorities, and taboos.

    So, no, you cannot compare 19th century USA with 20th Germany. In fact, you cannot even compare early 20th Russia with mid 20th century Germany. The moral standards by which you judge them are the same. The moral standards by which each lived are unalike.

  13. RobinG says:

    Oliver Stone film ‘UKRAINE ON FIRE’ on YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzM4iVm4dRc

    Ukraine. Across its eastern border is Russia and to its west-Europe. For centuries, it has been at the center of a tug-of-war between powers seeking to control its rich lands and access to the Black Sea. 2014′s Maidan Massacre triggered a bloody uprising that ousted president Viktor Yanukovych and painted Russia as the perpetrator by Western media. But was it?

    “Ukraine on Fire” by Igor Lopatonok provides a historical perspective for the deep divisions in the region which led to the 2004 Orange Revolution, 2014 uprisings, and the violent overthrow of democratically elected Yanukovych. Covered by Western media as a people’s revolution, it was in fact a coup d’état scripted and staged by nationalist groups and the U.S. State Department. Investigative journalist Robert Parry reveals how U.S.-funded political NGOs and media companies have emerged since the 80s replacing the CIA in promoting America’s geopolitical agenda abroad.

    Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton backed the Nazis. Oddly enough, the same ‘blood and soil’ imagery and chants were used in Charlottesville and the Unite the Right ‘rally’. Add in the fact the organizer, Kessler, was an Obama voter and Occupy supporter. It appears Charlotttesville was scripted as well.

    • Replies: @anon
  14. Erebus says:

    As good a rant as ever I’ve read.
    Picking a nit here.

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.

    As many, even in the US, realize the “Empire’s” days are numbered, the best thing would be to abandon the Empire, rather than waiting for it to collapse.

    Conscious abandonment frees resources for rebuilding the country, and suggests it could be managed for minimum impact. A belly landing at best, but eminently survivable with luck and skill at the controls. Collapse, if delayed much longer, is shaping up to be catastrophic for the US, and highly disruptive for the rest of the world, and that’s assuming we avoid anybody going nuclear.

    Active, managed abandonment of the Empire is what the people voted for. Collapse is what it looks like they’ll get. Not “best” at all, and maybe very, very bad.

    • Replies: @Ghost
  15. Silva says:

    “Your country” is Russia, but you didn’t bother to live in it last I checked. Has it changed? If not, care to explain why “your country” isn’t the one you live in?

    • Replies: @uslabor
  16. If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce.

    Unlikely, considering there were far fewer executioners than executed, and a good percentage of them belonged to a specific ethnocultural group that gradually turned against the USSR once they were driven out of power around 1938, after which most of them eventually emigrated.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  17. Miro23 says:

    In my experience letters to friends (or at least speeches of this kind – I haven’t done any letters) don’t go down too well and produce a high level of boredom.

    Political action is rather uncomfortable, and it seems to be restricted to defined places, where it can be read and heard or ignored, like the editorial columns of main stream newspapers or explicitly political forums like Congress or Think Tanks.

    The problem of course, is that in the US and Western Europe these “respectable” forums have been hijacked by the centre and force fed with propaganda while preserving the veneer of impartiality.

    So, that seems to leave places like Unz Review , in the role of the pre-WW1 Viennese coffee house (e.g. Café Central 1913 with Papadopoulos/Dzhugashvili (Stalin) and Bronstein (Trotsky) playing chess at one table and Hitler and friends with cakes and coffee at another).

    Or will it take a nuclear winter to open your eyes to the true nature of the Empire you apparently are still supporting against all evidence?

    Public political talk probably only becomes general and continuous (unless it is obligatory as in Switzerland) through direct threatening experiences, involving everyone, such as a total war, mass unemployment or hyperinflation and the US hasn’t arrived there yet.

  18. Randal says:

    Not only that, but I would submit that most Germans would also believe that they were free people and that the regime they live under was a benevolent one.

    The reality is that freedom is not the simple yes/no issue that it is presented as by American-style simplist propagandists. It is a complex matter of degrees, and of more freedom in some areas versus less in others, of more freedom for some in a particular society versus less for others.

    One of the best easily readable anecdotal sources imo on the way government supporting Germans viewed their pre-WW2 government, is the following:

    They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  19. Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.

    The German elite in this era believed they were practicing ‘good science’ by these actions. In fact they were by the standards of the pseudo science of Eugenics which was supported universally by leading figures in the West. The Nazis began this purge with German citizens deemed faulty and a threat to humanity long before attention was focused on Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc etc. The shock of the camps and the actions at Nuremberg put an end to Eugenics except in the US where it continued. Actually Eugenics was the horror child birthed in the US and UK.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

  20. Renoman says:

    “The World is ruled by violence but that is better off left unsaid.”

    Bob Dylan

  21. DAN III says:

    Saker,

    Having spent years in the Federal Republic of Germany as a member of the USA’s military occupation force, I cannot agree with you more.

    Re: Winning the war in Europe. The source I read YEARS ago stated that 84.9% of all WW2 German casualties (KIA, WIA, MIA) occurred on the Eastern Front at the hands of the Soviets. The American military did not defeat the NAZI war machine. They only conducted mop-up ops after the Soviets had disembowled the Wehrmacht.

    Believe me. Not all Americans are asleep to the lies and imperialism of the scoundrels who comprise the U.S. government. Thank you for your accurate synopsis.

    • Agree: Cyrano
  22. Very well written and emotionally charged piece by Sacker. Despite disagreeing with him mostly on Soviet past and whitewashing of Islam I see good in him. Now, I will try to be brief but making Soviet regime equal in evilness to the mentioned Nazi and US regimes is completely false and mostly comes form Sacker’s background.
    First thing that should never be missed is that unlike Nazi and US regimes Soviet regime never committed genocides. All those fair tales about tens of millions killed in Gulag and elsewhere with opened archives are pure bogus, nor did Russians and Soviets committed genocides against populations under their control in new acquired lands. Central Asia had extremely low population when taken over by Russia. Under Soviet rule that population ballooned out of all proportions due to extremely favorable conditions created. I know, I lived there for 20 years.
    It should never be forgotten that Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years leading to their mental and physical degeneration and huge deformities of Russian character which are still there even after decades of Soviet power to tackle it. By every definition Russian peasants were not serfs but slaves who could be sold, families broken and gambled away of exchanged for dogs.
    Lenin and Stalin had to do with extremely low level of human material available to them , which was uplifted basically from the dirt, educated and provided with things necessary for decent life which they never experienced before. This regime cannot be called evil. USSR did not commit evil against other countries and actually propped and helped other third world nations to build their own countries unfortunately at the expense of our own people.
    The last but not the least, were there not Bolsheviks, Russia would seize to exist as thanks to pre Bolsheviks regime, old regime led Russia to certain death by 1917. Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia without Lenin and Bolsheviks coming along and the death of millions of European people and Jews. How this regime can be called evil. I have no clue.
    Otherwise, I often agree with Sacker and consider him a good man.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Cyrano
    , @anon
  23. Whilst I have followed you constantly over the years and respect your views immensely and have studied your works for several years, my one and only response (as a follow-up) to your ‘letter’ is this:

    What is your solution? What system or which empire shall we replace the American one with? Someone with your intelligence should know that things don’t exist in a vaccum.

    If the American empire is collapsed as you wish it would be, then what? What magical solution do you have? Because rest assured there will be someone else taking the reins but I guess you feel that the next power will do it the ‘right way’.

    Laughable…

    You do a great job pointing out the faults of the American Empire but I feel you fall into the same ‘hole’ that so many do while riding their high horse, and that is: complain, complain, point out faults, compare the USA to Nazi Germany, and to the more evil Soviet Union (which by the way – according to many sources was extraordinarly worse; by a order of magnitude worse then the Nazis).

    Anyway, to get to my point about your rant…

    Your main point is what?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  24. dearieme says:

    ‘the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?’

    Christ, you might at least be accurate. In three hundred years of exploring, colonising, trading, and conquering there must be some genuine atrocities you could discuss. Why discuss fake ones?

    Apartheid was nothing to do with Britain, it was introduced in independent South Africa by an Afrikaner party that won power after WWII.

    The Opium Wars don’t seem to me to be an atrocity: opium was legal in Britain and throughout the Empire. I agree that the wars might be classed as wicked – aggressive war usually is – but they were no atrocity.

    Britain didn’t invent Concentration Camps – in the sense of the expression used by the Nazis, the Nazis invented Concentration Camps. In the sense of the expression used by Britain in the South African war, the camps were simply a copy of the earlier concentration camps used by the US in the Philippines and by Spain in Cuba.

    etc, etc.

    • Agree: Randal
    • Replies: @grr
  25. dearieme says:

    “The truth is that the Americans only entered the war when it was clear that the Nazis would be defeated”: your implication of cause-and-effect seems to me to be bogus. The US ‘entered’ the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  26. But Saker…you and your White Russian emigre friends don’t seem to have any problems taking advantage of the European conquest of North America.

    If you are going to play the “Evil Whitey” game…then please just leave, and go back to Russia. Perhaps you and your fellow Russians can welcome the millions of Blacks…Mexicans…. Muslims…and Hindus…into Mother Russia so that you can be blessed by our diversity.

  27. iffen says:

    This is an ugly and evil country. I am stuck here cause I’m a Murican. If I was of another nationality or citizenship, I would leave this evil and ugly place just for the salving of my soul.

  28. CK says:

    1) At Tehran and again at Potsdam, the US and GB gave the Russians an ultimatum. “Join the war against Japan within 90 days of the end of the war in Europe or have no voice in the partition of Asia.” The Russians attacked on the 89th day.
    2) The Russians were preparing to land on Hokkaido as they had already done on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands when the Japanese capitulated.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  29. @War for Blair Mountain

    Saker

    For the record, I agree with the anti-war theme of your post, but unfortunately your veer off into the “EVIL WHITEY’ realm. Working Class Native Born White American Teenagers join the US Military “voluntarily” because they have been made economically redundant by post-1965 Immigration Policy. The scale of the nonwhite imported scab labor=Nonwhite Immigrants+the US born geneline of nonwhite legal immigrants.

    The Alt Right Rally in Charlottesville was a protest against post-1965 imported nonwhite scab labor and The Democratic Party which has made an open declaration of war against Christian Russian. The Democratic Party is the post-1965 nonwhite Party in 2017…..

  30. Arrrrggghh!

    What a confused mixture of good insight and tiresome parroting of threadbare, hackneyed, Allied propaganda.

    While the intent is clearly good, the overall analysis is so lacking in logic and avoidance of basic facts that it’s impossible to even begin a reasonable criticism.

    The anti-Hitler shtick is particularly appallingly elementary as are the concepts of “victors” history and Nazi propaganda.

    Letter to Saker:

    If you really want people to read your stuff, you should consider employing an editor. Check your facts and assumptions, and most of all tighten it up, especially when repeating ancient propaganda.

    Also, it would help you to educate yourself. Here’s a good start.:

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    - Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    So cut the tiresome Nazi-bashing, will ya?

  31. I agree with most of this article. Al Qaeda had help inside the US for sure and there was a cover up at the highest levels, but the debris that could be used to test the demolition theory was removed quickly without analysis to China.

    The lowest order of social organization is the band society. Historically they would war against each other. Chimpanzees war against each other. This a hominidae problem at least. Also human society favors narcissist and psychopaths for leaders. The psychopaths lie the US into war for their objective. Narcissist do it because they want to feel good about murdering people so they lie to themselves. This won’t stop unless these groups of people are screened and prevented from reaching positions of power.

    Afghanistan is a disgusting society run by pedophiles. I’m not sympathetic to their way of life. The Taliban at least tried to stop the practice. I would be disappointed if the Iraqis didn’t miss secularism. The Syrians are fighting for their very lives to live in a secular society.

    Modern US is an Empire that is ruled by finance, corporations, and foreign governments such as Israel. The description of the whore of Babylon in the book of Revelations fits Washington D.C. to a T. The internet has documented its crimes and corruption for all to see. The US Empire is not completely incoherent because there are servants in it that are rational and pushing back. It is why the war with Iran has been delayed. The US under Obama sought to use Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. President Trump stopped the support of Al Qaeda in Syria, and challenged the Muslim world to stop using terrorism to solve its problems. Afghanistan war is prolonged but negotiating with the Taliban is an option which is something George W. Bush rejected.

    The American Empire is a hit-man for the well connected, including governments. President Trump has shown interest in having them fund the American Empire since its broke, they do receive some protection from it, but they themselves do not seem to want to fund it. Europe cries about Russia, Gulf States cry about Iran, and Asia cries about China. They are militarily occupied but the American people suffer the expense.

    American Imperium has and does great evil but its a pagan society which is pretty tolerant if you are within its domain with a favorable status. I think those that adopted a pagan capitalist society are at least living comfortably for the most part. I do think a free pagan society is the highest form of human civilization. It is true the US has allied with some nasty belief systems like Nazis, Wahhabist, etc. It will be interesting to see how things pan out once China takes America’s place since it is hostile to religion. Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that the US must be a global policeman and that its poop doesn’t stink. There are those that think other nations poop doesn’t stink. All of the poop stinks.

    The US will decline and will have to give up the Empire unless it figures out a sustainable course, rejects perpetual war in favor of being a counterbalance just from its presence. It also would have to reorient the military industrial complex towards something profitable outside of war profiteering. The US Empire may be replaced with the Chinese one road, one belt project. The US is at a crossroads. We got an Iran deal which is in jeopardy but its amazing that it was made in the first place. In Syria the US hasn’t started World War 3 on behalf of Al Qaeda. The internet is clearly having an affect on the American Empire. It is why there is a rush to censor it. No longer can evil human beings misuse power without everyone else finding out about it. They can’t control the information from reaching the rest of the world now. They will try and people will get around it. The American Empire has a huge bureaucracy and there are a lot of moral human beings in it. The US political class has other problems: it hasn’t won a war since World War II, and economic inequality is having its negative effect on the American people. We got Trump instead of Hillary because half the nation realized the US is in bad shape.

    • Replies: @Ace
  32. lol jews doesn’t care for genocidal views? Ever hear of the Palestinians? Heck, ever heard Jews speak about Germans or White people in general? I’d say the mainstream view for Jews is pro-genocide. In Israel is pro-Palestinians genocide, and in the Europe Jews are pro-white genocide.

    In pretty much every country stretching from UK to Russia. I doubt many needs to be reminded that 6 out of the 7 oligarch that seized 50% of the Russian economy in the 1990s and inflicted genocidal conditions on Russian of poverty, alcholism, abortion, were jews… And I am not even going to go into the jewish influence in mass-extermination of ethnic Russians and other white slavic groups during the bolshevik rule. For that just read some works of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to understand the jewish view of ethnic christian Russians.

    “Mr. Ignatiev pledges in the essay that his journal, Race Traitor, intends to “keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.””

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/sep/4/20020904-084657-6385r/

    “JEW German politician calls germans nazis and says they must die!”

    Jews will play a leading role in multicultural Europe says Jewish researcher Barbara Spectre

  33. Well reasoned, well thought-out, thought-provoking piece. Shame it will be dismissed by many as merely pro-Russian propaganda.

    Just a couple comments:

    “If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so.”

    I think in this particular context you are mixing right up with obligation. Many Americans see it as the US having both the right and the obligation to intervene. The two together compose the license.

    “I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America.”

    I have, but only when the objects of scorn were behaving like Amerotrash. In the 30+ years living abroad, I have never personally experienced it, but I try to be on my best behaviour, and sometimes actually succeed.

    “Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”.”

    The comparison to military housing when I served nearly 40 years ago is telling. We should have had it so nice. It’s expensive to keep enough people interested with today’s ops tempo if they have to deal with a screaming family back home, especially now that cheap global telecom has replaced monthly AUTOVON morale calls home.

    “The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.”

    Can’t agree with that, because if America as we know it today collapses, they’re taking the whole world down with them. I would be happy if they simply accepted that this is a multi-polar world with nations that have simetimes competing goals, but full of people who pretty much want the same things in life: Health, happiness, love, entertainment, good food, etc. These things are pretty common across the globe, even in North Korea.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @RadicalCenter
  34. @CK

    One has to admit that mobilising forces, many of which were war-weary from the European front, to engage in Asia in 89 days is remarkable. To point out that they took 89 of the 90 days to do it is a rather cheap shot.

  35. Tom Welsh says:

    “The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war”.

    Sorry, but that is wrong. The USA entered the war on December 11th, 1941. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States_(1941)

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later – incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.

    The battle of Stalingrad lasted from August 23rd, 1942 to January 31st, 1943. The battle of Kursk lasted from July 5th, 1943 to July 17th, 1943. They began eight months and 19 months respectively after the USA entered WW2.

    It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @Eagle Eye
  36. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Thought the ‘SAKER’ was in control of his faculties but after reading this rant, implying that there is no difference between WW II Nazis and Americans, think the Saker has been too long out in the Sun.

    That’s the same toxic BS the violent Judaic-led Antifa Thugs are pushing, that white Americans males are actually secret Nazis and must be exterminated.

    Yet the Saker nor Antifa mention the fact that the Bolshevik Jews, from 1917-1957 murdered around 66 million Russians, mostly Christians who refused to bow down to Godless Communism. Add in the other Commie slaughters and the figure is easily over 100 million.

    This toxic ideology is what the SAKER wants us to follow after his/her Antifa buds tear apart the USA?

  37. Tom Welsh says:
    @Jason-------

    “…and replace it with what, another empire?”

    How about… let’s see.. a republic?

    • Replies: @Jason-------
  38. @5371

    Yes. As per the linked source (Wiki), Plan Totality was a disinformation campaign, a bluff, it was not a concrete military plan. (You could probably say the same about the others as well.) I like Saker’s stuff, but he’s being over-eager here.

  39. Avalanche says:

    Yup, great propaganda for your side, your skewed version of reality, your heart’s desire to believe about yourself and your people… not QUITE as well-honed as the propaganda used by the both sides in WWII , and everything before and after, but good try! (not.)

  40. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”.

    Saker, I’m almost 61 years old, born and raised in middle America, have lived and worked in the Northeast, the South, the Southwest – I have never heard that expression.

    Where did you learn that expression?

  41. ondrej says:
    @utu

    In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    You hardly now anything about so called Eastern Europe during and shortly 2. ww. Eastern Europe is propagandistic term of cold war, probably referring to nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with geographical realities.

    Several of my friends including myself often make a point out to our colleagues in Vienna that they are Eastern of Prague, Yet – that consider themselves proudly Western city.

    Speaking of Eastern of Vienna there was Hungary south Romania, hardly waiting for liberation of U.S. army as proud members of AXIS.

    Speaking of Yugoslavia resistance and partizan movement was hardly waiting for US liberation.

    Speaking Czechoslovakia – major uprising of Slovak army in Slovakia was coordinating and waiting for Red Army to get trough Dukla pass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_National_Uprising

    I will not be speaking on behalf of Poland where it was more difficult for various reasons

    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you…

    • Replies: @iffen
  42. Ghost says:
    @Erebus

    Erebus: I agree. EMPIRE is collapsing. Too late, I think, to manage anything.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  43. @Heros

    OMG! Please contribute more!

    You said more in 200 words than the columnist did in 5300, and I’m generally in sympathy with the author’s apparent motives.

    For instance, how many people know this:

    …most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    For those new to the idea, here’s a quote from a very well written article that is highly worth anyone’s time in my ever so humble opinion.

    70 years ago (August 9, 1945) an all-Christian bomber crew [blessed prior to takeoff by Christian clergy] dropped a plutonium bomb over Nagasaki City, Japan, instantly vaporizing, incinerating or otherwise annihilating tens of thousands of innocent civilians, a disproportionately large number of them Japanese Christians.

    Ironically, prior to the bomb exploding nearly directly over the Urakami Cathedral at 11:02 AM, Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan, and the massive cathedral was the largest Christian church in the Orient.

    -Gary G. Kohls, The 70th Anniversary of the Bombing of Nagasaki, Unwelcome Truths for Church and State, Aug 2015.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/08/gary-g-kohls/the-70th-anniversary-of-the-bombing-of-nagasaki/

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
  44. @Greg Bacon

    TheSaker also believes that the black supremacist Malcom X that called white children for blue eyed devils is the greatest american that has ever lived.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  45. @Jason-------

    …and replace it with what, another empire?

    Why replace it at all? Why not just be rid of it?

    If you just got rid of a bad case of hemorrhoids, why would you want to replace them with anything? Wouldn’t you be happy just to be rid of ‘em? Explain?

    • Replies: @Jason-------
  46. The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.

    Beg to differ.

    The best thing that could happen to this country would be to end immigration.

    See VDARE dot com for all the reasons why and supporting data.

  47. @Robert Magill

    [Choose a single Handle and use it, or Anonymous/Anon. Using multiple Handles to conceal your identity will get all your comments trashed.]

    ” pseudo science of Eugenics”

    -There is no psuedo-science, it is well established since before recorded history that if you breed individual with desirable traits these traits will likely be passed on and increase in the population. Eugenics is just this basic knowledge applied to humans, which of course are animals and subject to the hereditary.

  48. @The Alarmist

    Perhaps, but Saker’s exaggeration of the Kwantung Army’s capabilities in 1945 (boasting about Soviet military achievements) invites such shots. (Apropos of nothing, but it would appear the Red Army brought their predilection for mass rape from Central Europe to the Far East.)

  49. @Serge Krieger

    Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia…

    And knowing what we should all know about Marxists and the banker backed Reds of the times, plus the jealousies of the petulant, dictatorial, showtime morons, Churchill, and FDR and others like them, and the prior actions of the major colonial powers, I’d say the anti-Red Germans were the ones who faced annihilation and subjugation by the Big Three, (Please note that they were called that for some very good reasons.), and subsequent history bears that out.

    So enough with the “dangeorus Nazis” cliches, OK?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  50. @The Alarmist

    BTW, the Soviets had been building up forces in the Far East after Stalingrad, when it became likely they could participate in an eventual settlement in Asia, it’s not like they transferred huge numbers of troops from Berlin overnight.

  51. Always refreshing to hear from The Saker who is more solidly anchored to reality than most.

  52. @jacques sheete

    Hmm.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what “Francis” says about violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    If Japan had a big RCC presence now, they might be flooded by 3rd world mass immigration.
    Just speculation, I know.
    And not the way to stop the global plague of mass immigration.

    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem, causing more long-term harm than the two atom bombs dropped on Japan.
    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  53. @dearieme

    The US ‘entered’ the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.

    That was merely the technical excuse.

    The US was at economic and propaganda war against Germany long before that declaration.
    For instance, the US broke international laws, treaties and circumvented its own Neutrality Act well prior to Hitler’s declaration of war. The concept applies not only for the Atlantic areas, but the Pacific ones as well, where FDR and his crew of ghouls worked overtime to provoke the Japanese militarists to fire the first shot.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @KA
  54. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The sad reality is that the US intervention in Europe was a simple land-grab,

    That’s pretty much all of it. The Germans and Soviets grabbed as much as they could so it’s just a matter of who is more successful at grabbing the most. Being under the Americans pays the best unlike the other two who work you to death or kill you outright. The moral angle is just a way of fancying things up and only deluded low-level munchkins believe any of that rot. That’s the way it’s always been with most empires. Which ruler gives you the higher standard of living?

  55. @Heros

    The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now.

    Hmm.
    Look at who are the prime-movers behind dangerous, nation-wrecking mass-immigration.

    This is one place where Catholics and Evangelicals are buying into the same line of propaganda.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what “Francis” says, approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    Evangelicals and “Main Line” Protestants are just as bad, profiteering from US-taxpayer-funded “refugee resettlement.”

    We all need to understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem.

    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  56. @Tom Welsh

    Any idea where I can find one of those today?

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  57. @jacques sheete

    Nature abhors a vacuum. If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can’t just “get rid of it”. It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form. I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it’s roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets…and it’s our own fault as a species.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  58. KenH says:
    @nickels

    Early in his career David Irving believed that six million Jews were “systematically” killed by the Nazis. But later he reversed himself upon more research into the matter and has held firm even after withering assaults on his reputation and character.

    • Replies: @iffen
  59. iffen says:
    @ondrej

    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you…

    That’s okay, nothing wrong with that, everybody needs to dream.

    However, some did not dream of being liberated by the Red Army, and some that were dreaming that dream found it to be a nightmare instead of a dream.

    I am old enough to remember when Germans shot other Germans for trying to escape “the dream.” It hasn’t even been thirty years yet. No “history” books or “propaganda” needed.

  60. I took this article seriously until I got down to the “Nazi regime in the Ukraine”. At that point, I realised that it was just pro-Putin propaganda. I don’t see how any of this, even if it were true, affects the right of the Ukrainian people to have their own sovereign nation-state. The sovereign nation-state, or the aspiration to it, has been the fundamental building block of the European political order since the French Revolution. The problem with Putin is that he rejects that concept and is seeking to resurrect the pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence”.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  61. iffen says:
    @KenH

    Yes, it seems that the 6 million figure is a lie. It was actually 5, 999, 999.

    • Replies: @KenH
  62. Avery says:

    {…..and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.}

    Saker, why are you whitewashing what the Nazis planned to do?
    The plan was to exterminate nearly all Slavic peoples in East Europe and SU East of the Urals to make room for Lebensraum for the alleged* Master Race.

    ALL Slavic peoples, not just the intelligentsia.

    Didn’t Nazi invaders murder and kill ~15 million Soviet _civilians_, or is that a myth.

    ______
    *
    You know, like Goebbels, a club-footed scrawny runt, who murdered his 5 children, before offing himself.
    Or Goering, a drug-addict overweight swine, who also offed himself.
    Or Himmler, a myopic weakling, with a malformed skull, who couldn’t stand the sight of bloodshed. Instead of going down fighting, he was caught trying to flee like a rat. Also offed himself.

    And Hitler himself: 6’3″ tall, perfect physic, blond hair, deep blue eyes…..such an ‘Aryan’. He also committed suicide, instead of going down fighting.

  63. Oh look, a jew claiming White settlement of the continent was genocide

  64. Apartheid was no ‘atrocity’, British or otherwise.

  65. @Robert Magill

    Are you implying the moral superiority of dysgenics?

  66. I trust never to have social relations with the Saker, were an epistolary effusion such as this to be the reward.

  67. KA says:
    @jacques sheete

    Benn Steil’s book, The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order,  -notes that, as a result of White’s fierce lobbying, FDR “authorized [Secretary of State] Hull to present the Japanese with what became known as the Ten-Point Note

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/17147-the-communist-agent-who-caused-pearl-harbor-and-global-economic-havoc

    An alarmed Kurusu told Hull that the Japanese government would ‘throw up its hands’ if presented with such a response to their truce proposal. Hull did not waiver. The collision course had been set.”
    And Soviet agent Harry Dexter White had set that course. Steil comments:
    That White was the author of the key ultimatum demands is beyond dispute. That the Japanese government made the decision to move forward with the Pearl Harbor strike after receiving the ultimatum is also beyond dispute.
    Steil notes that “the Soviets, American allies in the European war, were anxious to ensure that such an attack did take place.” He quotes Soviet spymaster Vladimir Karpov in this regard:
    ¥ “The war in the Pacific could have been avoided,” wrote retired GRU military intelligence colonel and World War II “Hero of the Soviet Union” Vladimir Karpov in 2000, nearly sixty years after Pearl Harbor. “Stalin was the real initiator of the ultimatum to Japan,” he insisted. Harry Dexter White was acting in accordance with a design initiated by [NKVD intelligence official Iskhak] Akhmerov and Pavlov,” Karpov argued. “[White] prepared the aide-memoire for signature by Morgenthau and President Roosevelt.” The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name, “Operation Snow,” snow referring to White. “[T]he essence of ‘Operation Snow’ was to provoke the war between the Empire of the Rising Sun and the USA and to insure the interests of the Soviet Union in the Far East…. If Japan was engaged in a war against the USA it would have no resources to strike against the USSR.”

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Reverend Spooner
  68. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye

    “Saker’s heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.”

    The heart seems a little dislocated at times, here for example, but generally I’d say “Amen” to the above statement.

  69. KA says:
    @CensoredByTheSaker

    “If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.” .
     McCullough, David (15 June 1992). Truman. New York, New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 262.
    Truman made this remark after hearing that Hitler had invaded Soviet Russia.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  70. Avery says:
    @nickels

    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU – Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, ‘enslave’ East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,….
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, ‘liberated’ by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (…it sure isn’t Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While ‘enlightened’, ‘liberated’ Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the ‘Free World’.

    ——–
    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

  71. The genocide of the Indians by the Americans was inevitable. An immigrant who makes a dangerous crossing into new country with few comforts just for food security (land for growing food) and right to practice a religion with no spiritual component, but conformity with neighbors – will always find reasons for genocide.
    All this happened at the time of the industrial revolution and with inputs from the old world along with their own ingenuity, it made America a power to reckon with, more so with its sparsely populated northern neighbor and a backward Latin Mexico. Two huge oceans made it an impregnable fortress.
    Capitalism and the systematic capture of the political system by big money has made it an empire.
    This will end badly, not just for the US but the whole world.
    I give it a year or twenty.

  72. @Jason-------

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Nature probably also abhors human institutions and would probably prefer a vacuum if one would ensue after the collapse of the (particularly disgusting) ‘Merkin empire. Humans and their societies existed before empires and the threat of a vacuum probably didn’t exist then, and shouldn’t now.

    If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can’t just “get rid of it”. It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form.

    True, but I’d like to emphasize that’s the type of reasoning that leads to arms races and wars, but your next comments are right on target, and I agree completely.

    I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it’s roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets…and it’s our own fault as a species.

    What really torques me is that all are to blame to some degree, yet most persist in thinking their behavior is immaculate and justified. The rank hypocrisy and distorted finger pointing stinks as well, along with the idea that politicians and governments exist to make things better. Where do folks get their faith?

    Anyway, I’d prefer nothing over emerods! ;)

    • Replies: @Reverend Spooner
  73. Tom Welsh says:
    @Jason-------

    Switzerland? Uruguay? Mostly small nations without any pretensions to supremacy. The trouble nowadays is that there are far too many people, far too much wealth, far too many weapons, and far far far too much propaganda – most of it exceptionally successful. Not because the propaganda is believable, but because the sheeple just don’t care.

    Wealth and power attract the filthiest fractions of humanity like flies to honey. The bigger the concentration of wealth and power, the more and the more degraded the human filth that congregates.

  74. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    a word a coined

    Error

  75. @jacques sheete

    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  76. Kris says:

    Key difference between the American, Nazi, and Soviet empires: in the Nazi and Soviet empires, one would not be permitted to write articles against them.

  77. What aggravates the problem is the fact that US is not just an Empire – it’s a highjacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the highjackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on, and the number of those daring to speak out against the army of super-powerful and well-organized criminals is even less.
    And wars, aggressions, revolutions, etc. in the last 200 years often (if not always) were initiated not by the nominal governments (or by their opponents) but by the hidden global forces, whose presence nowadays, thanks to the Internet, is impossible to deny.
    These forces influence all governments across the globe, at least to some degree (even the North Korean), and their methods of control vary from exclusively financial to pure criminal.
    The very special role of US in that scheme of things stems from the fact that after a certain point in 20-th century, willingly or unwillingly, it has become the most powerful and the most controllable military and financial tool in the hands of global criminals.
    So, the best thing that can happen to US (and every other country in this world) would be the deliverance from these nasty and sticky “puppet-masters”.
    Unfortunately, there’s a tiny chance that it may happen by itself or without grave complications. Primarily because these “puppet-masters”, in addition to all other negative features, are truly sick maniacs.

    • Replies: @Reverend Spooner
  78. @Tom Welsh

    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

  79. @Sharrukin

    remember the booby trapped toys supposedly left by the Soviets in the khyber pass? Saddam’s rape rooms? just two more off the top of my head

    • Replies: @anonymous
  80. @Avery

    Avery…

    But, but, but what about da roads, man!??

    I believe that recently you tried to convince me of the need for government on the basis of all the nice goodies they provided, especially roads, now here you are criticizing the Nazis, when in point of fact, the Nazis were far ahead of most, in caring for their own people and providing for them the nice things in life.

    In fact, the Nazis comparatively speedily built an autobahn system that was copied by the Americans only decades later.

    The Nazis were very far ahead in the area of taking care of their workers as well, which was an embarrassment to the socially backward American and Soviet systems, both of which were much closer to slave labor camps than Nazi Germany was at least until Churchill provoked the war which even he admitted was unnecessary.

    So, back to the road argument, (not that it’s a valid one),you may want to change your view of Nazis.

    Regarding Nazi vs “Allied” civil rights, here’s how Mencken put it. :

    The [single] bloody Hitler purge that made such a sensation in the summer of 1934 is, [and has been], [often] duplicated in Russia at close intervals, and if it were not for the army there would undoubtedly be rebellions on a large scale, and in all parts of [our ally, Russia]. To prevent such works of Satan the Moscow Mussolinis keep 9oo,ooo yokels under arms, with an enormous outfit of tanks, airplanes, and artillery, and missionaries in every squad to preach the Only True Faith. The American pacifists, always easily gulled, compare this formidable host to the band of Boy Scouts that Richard the Lion-Hearted led up the walls of Acre. It is actually much more like the corps of mine guards in the Pennsylvania coal fields.

    -H.L. Mencken, The Reds and Civil Rights, The American Mercury, July 1936, pp. 284-289

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1936jul-00284

  81. Possibly the best piece I have ever read.

  82. hence the wordwide use of the “Yankee go home” slogan.

    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  83. Tom Welsh says:
    @Johnny Rico

    “The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!!”

    I’m aware of that, since my father was one of the British soldiers. However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”. The Russians – or rather the Soviet leadership, at whose head was the Georgian Stalin – agreed a non-aggression pact with Germany. But only after years of begging the British and French to join with the USSR in order to contain Germany.

    The British and French, and of course the Americans, loathed the Soviets even more than the Nazis (indeed many of them admired the Nazis until finding themselves at war with them).

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @utu
  84. @Avery

    Ooops! I made a mistake.

    It was Alden, not you, who made that argument. Please accept my apologies!

  85. @jacques sheete

    You are and American and trying to opt out. The Saker did not point at ordinary Americans but I guess reading about American interventions around the world makes you uneasy and you don’t want to face the facts.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  86. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    I can assure you that neither Czechs nor Slovaks in general favour ‘foreign military interventions’. That also holds true for almost all of the elite, comprador or not. I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.

    The fear of ‘empty space’ that you use is silly. There is no space to fill. People have always lived together and fought together, there is no ‘space manager’ on this planet. You just become part of the fight with all the consequences. You cannot even theoretically fill the ‘space’, that’s a crazy abstraction. Remember, a map is not the territory.

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  87. @Sergey Krieger

    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.

    Obviously I have valid views on real history.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  88. Wally says: • Website
    @Avery

    Spoken like another amateur Stalinist / communist / Zionist apologist.
    You talk because you have a mouth. You are laughable

    The Allies did succeed in turning over 1/2 of Europe to the communists, see map.
    Some ‘victory’ that was.

    The USSR underwent a massive arms build up in it’s plan to invade Germany.

    Debate here and get smacked own:
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    “Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché.”
    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    • Replies: @Parfois
  89. @KA

    All Bullshit. There was a blockade placed on Japan and it prevented them from importing oil.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @CK
  90. Wally says: • Website
    @nickels

    There was no ‘extermination’ of Jews, period.

    The claimed ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are impossible frauds.

    • Replies: @nickels
  91. @Sarah Toga

    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem,

    Many Palestinians would probably agree.

    I think the number one world problem is the clique of bored, depraved bankers with too much time on their bloody paws

    For details see TW’s comment #73.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
  92. KenH says:
    @iffen

    The original four million death toll at Auschwitz was Soviet propaganda. Numbers have been drastically revised downward with the death toll ranging from as low as 630K to 1.1 million. If we use the latter figure it means your vaunted six million gets reduced to three million which is still too high.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html

    The dubious claims of six million dead means that holocaust museums should be closed and demolished much like the Jewish funded and led left is finding pretexts to destroy monuments and icon to confederate history. Besides, Jewish holocaust memorials and museums have no place on U.S. soil since this nation had nothing to do with hardships experienced by Jews in WWII.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  93. From the Saker’s “About” page on his blog,

    My main objective in the immediate future is to (finally) write my thesis for the graduate degree in patristic theology I am working on now, and to set some money aside to visit Russia again

    Stick to that.

    If you must take shots at empire – you need a friend. One that can help you dial these down several notches. A body of knowledge isn’t sufficient, and in the absence of critical thinking, can lead to hubris, which is worse.

  94. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Fred V. Reed

    If this is Fred Reed, the contributor to this site, the comments should be highlighted in yellow like those of other contributors. If this is an imposter, the alias should be changed to prevent confusion.

  95. @AB_Anonymous

    AB Anonymous, your post is spot on.
    I totally agree with your statement when you say ‘US is not just an Empire – it’s a hijacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the hijackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on. ”
    And thank you for the new label ‘Global Criminals’.
    Thankfully the petrodollar is being abandoned and the days of the Saudi, Israeli, UK, Aussie American hegemony will end.

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  96. Polygenocide? Laughable.

    Saker keeps banging this drum over and over, but if you look at the facts, the allegation doesn’t hold up. What the Anglo invaders were involved in was a war. The Lakota Sioux and Iroquois and Cheyenne had weapons and fought back, often brutally. Moreover, they’re still here, which kinda demolishes the point about a genocide, since the point of a successful genocide is to wipe out every single vestige of an ethnic or racial group. Kinda like what the Spanish did so successfully all across Central and South America. Why nothing on them? Or is he just using this imagined polygenocide as a brickbat to condemn a country he hates yet oddly resides in? It surely has nothing to do with today’s neocon wars, and I agree that we should pull out of NATO and let Europe fend for itself. Of course, as soon as a U.S. politician questions NATO, he’s immediately attacked — by Europe.

    Likewise, bleating about the Mexican War doesn’t help his case either. The Mexicans were invaders and conquistadors just like the Anglos were. The 1848 war was like one drug dealer robbing another. No victims, really. And note that the Mexicans signed a treaty ratifying the lands lost and didn’t complain about it until the “Indian problem” they couldn’t deal with had been dealt with, and the territories had been developed along First World standards. Then all of a sudden, they had an urge to “reconquer.” I say sure, let them — as long as we re-arm the Apaches and Navajos with automatic weapons and blow up all the roads/bridges/sewers/dams/electrical grids first. In other words, return the lands to their condition in 1848. I’m sure Mexico will jump on that opportunity.

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  97. The closing paragraph shows this writer’s confusion. The best thing would be collapse of American Empire? But just a few sentences later he notes correctly that America is the most dangerous entity in history? How does collapse equal security of our mountains of weapons? How many nukes must escape our collapsing empire before it becomes an even bigger danger than before?

    This failure in critical thinking is also evident in his genocidal Americans commentary. We are so inept that our genocide of Amerinds left us facing societal collapse under a tidal wave of North American Amerinds from south of our border. We are so incompetent that our unprecedented cruelty towards Africans led to the 400K we imported becoming 45M of them today and an epidemic of obesity. So cruel are we that Africans’ greatest social problems are dependence on all the free shit we give them and abject stupidity as we have exempted them from being forced to acquire the bare minimum of education. Extending our racist hatred even back to their homelands in Africa we have forced upon them such horrors as clean water, food, and medicine such that they will soon be the most populous race on the planet.

    Interspersed with the obvious fallacies he sprinkles truth tidbits, but by that time it’s too late for him to be taken for anything other than a communist tool.

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  98. @Tom Welsh

    Agreed.

    I like to say “allied” because they were working together in many respects and had been throughout the 1930s.

    Not to mention the awkward issue of Poland.

    And also, there is the “alliance” between the The US and Stalin after June 1941 – which wasn’t always a perfect partnership. And dissolved into the Cold War as soon as there was no common enemy in 1945.

    Peace Sells, But Who’s Buying?

  99. Issac says:

    That nobody in the vast and ruthless “Atlanticist” military industrial empire sees fit to liquidate the comically treasonous Saker should tell one all they need to know about him.

  100. @Bragadocious

    Polygenocide? Laughable.

    All the more so as he’s too stupid to look at a map or know what “continent” means. He claims we genocided a “continent” – which one? North America includes Mexico and Canada. South America maybe? Is it particularly hard to find an Amerind in Canada, America, or Mexico today? Or in South America? Amerinds hard to locate in say Peru or Colombia or Brazil? In fact, of those who survived the new germs unknowingly brought with explorers, pioneers, and settlers (and conquistadors in the south), their population has exploded just like the African population. There are FAR FAR more (apparently imaginary) Amerinds and Africans today than at ANY point in history and solely due to our (reverse) genocide.

  101. Munx says:

    Some of your details are accurate as much as Soviet and Red Chinese propaganda is or was by insertion of mini truths to make it believeable. It does bring back memories of Pravda tho.. too much of your anti American speil sounds like you were schooled by the Brezhnev Regime with some outside assistance.

    Some points to ponder

    Israel is racist but the Islamists that want them exterminated ? Neither of them is a “race” like Spanish is not a race.

    No mention of the millions Stalin startved to death or sent off to Gulags not to mention those they executed by the thousands in eastern europe and Ukraine before attacking the beastly nazis..

    Ukranians just want their country back the Soviets stole from them after starving millions for not producing food fast enough.

    No Mention of the millions executed, starved, forced abortions and Red Chinese butchery that continues today.. but thats not important either..

    I really get the “Ugly American” concept but its tired and to paint Americans as colluding with the criminal element currently running this govt as a third hidden entity is unacceptable.. we were trusting once but those days are over. We also reject nonsense, disinformation and misinformation perpetrated whatever the reason.. Not all of us are ignorant of history just because most today are. If you want the right to claim your information is factual that you need to clean up your “facts” first.

    You sound really angry and hateful of this country and its stupid people yet you wear Marine camo with a 40 year old helmet nd salute like a Brit… Who or what are you really ?

  102. Cyrano says:
    @Serge Krieger

    For those who still don’t know the difference between German Nazism, Jewish liberalism, US imperialism and Russian communism – the Russians never treated anyone worse than they treated themselves, which can’t be said about the other 3, whose starting position has always been – we are better than you.

  103. KA says:
    @Reverend Spooner

    How does your fact negate what I have referred to. Empire is a complex business with many layers of disconnected realities. Its the motive or fealty to the motives that binds them together. Individual success of failure or change of track doesn’t disprove the overarching philosophy . It is easier to put sanction .Nobody notices excepting the suffering peasants . It is much difficult to declare war . Back then it was more difficult .

  104. @Sergey Krieger

    I’m crushed.

    Anyway, you got anything better? Prove it.

  105. This deplorable article by The Saker contains many questionable assertions. I will focus here only on The Saker’s claim that the U.S. Government is directly responsible for a uniquely evil event in world history: a “poly-genocide” – defined by The Saker as “the genocide of all the ethnicities of a single continent.” The Saker seems proud of this term as he has been injecting this concept into most of his recent articles. But it is a sham concept, which reveals more about The Saker’s ever increasing anti-American bias then it reveals about the true history of the U.S. Government and its relations with the Native Americans.

    The fact is, if you added up all of the death totals from all of the wars, skirmishes, battles, or forced removals involving the U.S. and Native Americans, the total numbers would still be well short of the total deaths of many single battles in European or Russian history or either of the two World Wars. For example, George Washington’s troops in the Revolutionary War killed maybe two hundred Iroquois out of a population of about 9000. Same for the Sand Creek massacre in 1864 or the tragedy at Little Big Horn or any of the other famous massacres or wars (e.g. the Seminole Wars) or forced removals – in each case, we’re talking possibly several thousand deaths, at most.

    You only get massive numbers comparable to other well-known genocides and ethnic cleansings if you instead do one or more of the following: (1) start counting from the late 1400s – almost three hundred years before the United States came into existence (thereby falsely attributing to the U.S. Government deaths which occurred well before the U.S. came into existence); (2) including the entire Western Hemisphere (including Mexico, where according to anthropologist Henry Dobyns and other scholars a much larger number of indigenous peoples have suffered and died), rather than just the land that currently belongs to the U.S.; (3) by including deaths that occurred due to intertribal warfare. The Cherokee, for example, were probably not “indigenous” to the Southern Appalachian region, but were in fact a conquering people, who swept down from the north and killed or displaced the tribes that had previously lived there. Should the U.S. Government be held responsible for those deaths? A similar story can be told re the Comanche, who became the dominant tribe on the Southern Plains only because of their brutal and unceasing warfare against the weaker tribes that previously lived there. Again, do these deaths carried out by the Comanche and other conquering Native American tribes count towards The Saker’s “poly-genocide” totals?

    Scholarly consensus is the intentional infliction of smallpox-infected blankets (e.g., by British general Amherst in 1763, or by American fur traders in the 1830s) did not happen that often. Exactly how diseases such as smallpox and malaria were first introduced is a matter of ongoing controversy and debate. Moreover, if Europeans (and their American descendants) are to be held responsible for introducing smallpox and malaria, should Native Americans be held responsible for introducing syphilis to Europeans?

    Since The Saker is so obviously uninformed about and poorly read in U.S. history, he would be well advised to focus instead on Russia’s history, of which he is much more knowledgeable. There he would find numerous recent examples of large scale ethnic cleansings and genocidal conquests carried out by Russia’s government against its native peoples. As author Oliver Bullough recounts in his devastating book “Let Our Fame Be Great,” the Russian Government’s genocidal colonial war against the Circassians in the late 1800s resulted in the displacement or death of over one million people. Now THAT is a true example of a genocide! A similar sad story can be told about the Russian Government’s actions against other native peoples such as the Nogais, Chechens, Mountain Turks and Ingush. The combined death total attributable to the Russian Government’s actions against these peoples easily exceeds two million. On no reasonable and informed account could the U.S. Government be said to be directly responsible for the deaths of anywhere near as many Native Americans.

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  106. @Priss Factor

    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.

    Because you’ve bombed the Piss outta my country and I no longer have a place to live. Think Vietnamese boat people, for instance..

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Priss Factor
  107. @Johnny Rico

    On a different thread here the Russian view of WW2 was characterized as a victory cult, and that’s entirely accurate.

  108. @Johnny Rico

    +1000 for the Megadeth reference.

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  109. @Reverend Spooner

    Bless you Padre, but you have sinned. You better get your stinky little tushy to confession, ASAP.

    PS: You evidently don’t know what you’re talking about either, so kindly drop the free online psychoanalysis. As for your nitwit charge of my pusillanimity regarding facing facts, you seem to be yet another fool with projection problems.

    And don’t forget to luv thy neighbor. (If any can stand to associate with you.)

  110. yyrvjh says:

    Saker, your article was garbage as usual, not that I bothered to read it. Here’s a pro tip: itinerant Vietnamese moron Dim Lin writes equally stupid garbage as you, but that he has a “way with word” cannot be denied. So I always read his screeds to the end.

    Maybe take a few writing classes at your community college? Worth a try.

  111. utu says:
    @Tom Welsh

    However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”.

    Must be very slightly.

    1. Invaded Poland together. Had victory parade together. Had Gestapo-NKVD conferences in occupied Poland.
    2. Traded
    3. Stalin ordered all communist parties in the world to cease all ant-NAZI propaganda. Some communist outfits cooperated with Gestapo in occupied France denouncing anti-German resistance. In the US till June 22, 1941 communists were siding with the America First isolationist and were acting against pro war British propaganda.
    4. When Germany was invading countries in the West USSR was invading countries in the East.
    5. When USSR attacked Finland UK was considerings sending help to Finland and Germany did not do it. UK was considering bombing of Baku so Germany would not get oil.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wally
  112. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.

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  113. @KenH

    Don’t forget the fantastical 1.4M the Soviets claimed were killed at Majdanek (the accepted number now is 75,000). These propaganda fables form much backbone of the WW2 myth, both in America and Russia.

    • Agree: KenH
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  114. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @FederalistForever

    “Since The Saker is so obviously uninformed about and poorly read in U.S. history…”

    Exactly so. Thank you for all of your excellent commentary.

    With regard to U.S. history The Saker apparently believes what he finds in MSM (and maybe recently written “history” texts?) and should know better.

  115. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Good points; 2) does not count though, neutrals have trade rights. 5) should be clarified as Germans actually prevented aid from German-aligned nations (certainly Italy) from reaching Finland.

    • Replies: @Wally
  116. yeah says:

    “The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.”

    This point of Saker’s seems to have rankled many. A controlled “withering away” has been argued for by many, including the likes of Pat Buchanan. Not for reasons to do with any anti-Americanism, but precisely out of love for the American Republic and the people. “Empire or Republic” is a well argued thesis.

    But what looks like is that the Empire is growing and growing. Many argue that the Empire is on its last legs, that it will collapse when the dollar collapses, or when the left loonies and other half-crazed groups create sufficient inner discord. I don’t see it happening in the next twenty years. The US State is strong, very strong, far stronger than any other that history has seen; and it plans to hold on to its empire and strengthen it by any and all means. It is not going to wither away, fade away, or be planned down. Nor is its unwinding going to be supported by many Americans, and that is the tragic part, the real tragic part, as Saker has passionately tried to address. He thinks evil and ignorance can be talked down; I doubt it. That is the tragedy and danger of our times.

    So keep your popcorn and chilled beer ready, and wait for the next of round of boom, kabbatz, and other spectacular sounds and images to keep you entertained. Likely, it all will happen “over there”, so no danger to you or the homeland.

  117. CK says:
    @The Alarmist

    No, it is pointing out that they did it early. Not a cheap shot but a praise for a job well done.
    Or,
    If you prefer to admit a bit of soviet control over the ailing Roosevelt; Hiss and White helped con the US president into believing that the USSR was a spent force and could not possibly mobilize and cross from Berlin to Manchuria in 90 days with the millions of men, tanks, artillery, POL, food, meds etc. over the single double tracked railroad in existence in that part of the world.
    The Russians did that with time to spare.
    I submit to you for your approval that the single most important battle in WWII was the battle of Khalkhin Ghol in September of 1939. The Japanese army in Manchuria had its ass handed to it by Zhukov and the Russians. The Japanese and the Russians signed a peace treaty that was renewed yearly until the evening before the Russian attack in 1945. As a result, the USSR was the only nation that did not have to engage in a multiple front war. Russia’s enemy came from her west and was sent back the same way. The US’s enemies came from her west and her east ditto the British empire, and Japan. China’s enemies were from her east and internal. France was an irrelevancy but her empire did have to face internal enemies as well as the Japanese.

  118. CK says:
    @Reverend Spooner

    In 1904 the Japanese did a preview of Pearl Harbor on the Russians at the urging of GB.
    In 1905 at Portsmouth Teddy Roosevelt screwed the Russians as a favour to the House of Warburg,
    with the Treaty of Portsmouth.
    In 1918 the US, France, GB, Japan, and others invaded Russia to attempt to control the outcome of the Russian Civil War. The Americans left when it became obvious that Wilson was stroked out and Harding would become the next president. The Japanese stayed until 1925 trying to sever Siberia from Russia. The Japanese left in 25 and attempted to re-insert themselves in 37. The revamped Russian military handed them their asses at Khalkhin Ghol.
    A blockade is an act of war.

  119. You only have to read the Old Testament to see that even God was a war criminal, particularly if seen from the point of view of Baal or the Philistines. And the Romans, although known for propagating aspects of civilization like public baths, clean water, sewerage, and the rule of law, were not averse to X-rated entertainment like watching enemies of the state eaten by lions.

    A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator, and that lesser breeds needed to knuckle down and accept their place in the world or they would get their just desserts.

    Since God’s retirement there has been a lot less of the Spanish Inquisition and that kind of thing, though admittedly there is a kind of residual effect in the consideration of human history that prevents us from being too hard on our forefathers. The case for the defense may be summed up as forgive them for they knew not what they did.

    However, to be fair, a lot of the Native Americans were already regularly killing each other before they came under the British Crown and it was time for the business of culling excess human beings to be brought under central control. Native Americans are now running casinos, which is a step up from ripping off scalps.

    Although George W. Bush reintroduced torture which had generally fallen out of favor, his heart was in the right place, and who is to say that a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization’s finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? They know they screwed up, and they have promised not to do it again. Now they are making Volkswagens, not waging war.

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    , @Wally
    , @Seraphim
  120. @Anon

    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.

    The enemy is within, mainly, so why would they flee here to avoid enemies of ‘Merka?. They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation, I bet.

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  121. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    The enemy is within

    Is this Zen?

    They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation

    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn’t fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn’t American bombs they were fleeing.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  122. hunor says:
    @Stan d Mute

    ” extending our racist hatred even back to their homeland in Africa we have forced upon them such horrors as clean water, food and medicine”

    you forgot to mention tailored clothing , toilet bowl and a language, ” yo yo yo chekit out you know whhat im cayyin” they are the biological weapons of mass population reduction, for the globalist elites. they are transporting them by the millions to Europe to ensure total carnage , when the economies doctored to collapse. the global elites can’t just nuke the ” useless eaters ” because it wouldn’t look good for them in future history books, so it has to look like human tragedy. evil is supremely intelligent.

  123. bdub says:

    Would largely agree with FederalistForever above. The article is just so full of falsehoods that any valid points it makes are difficult to take seriously.

    Can agree that the United States has not always been the poster child for good conduct, but am pretty sure that there is no nation/state that has conducted themselves in a manner that would not lead to condemnation from somebody. My suspicion is that the United States would rank on the gentler, kinder end of the scale.

    There are too many errors in the supposed facts given for this to be taken seriously.

    “The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war.” The United States formally entered WWII 8 Dec 1941. The Battle of Stalingrad was Aug 1942 – Feb 1943, the Battle of Kursk was 5 July – 23 Aug 1943. Either the author is full of crap, is too lazy to do basic fact checking or has an agenda and doesn’t want facts to stand in his way…

    “It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers!” At the time of the Soviet attack on Manchuria, there was not a single combat ready division in the Japanese Kwantung Army, with a number of the divisions only reporting 15% readiness. The Kwantung Army has been steadily bled of its best leadership, men, materials and equipment to reinforce/replenish other Japanese Army units that had been engaged against Allied (mostly American) forces in the Pacific. Again – if the author had only read the article he referenced…basic fact checking. Not to take anything away from the Soviet accomplishment in Manchuria – it was a masterful accomplishment of logistics and planning.

    As far as US/Allied plots against the USSR during WWII, it might be worthwhile to remember that many in our military saw the USSR and its leadership in a more realistic, immediate manner than our political leaders at the time. Saker seems to conveniently forget about many of the revelations of the Venona Papers and the USSR’s actions against the US and Great Britain at the time (Rosenbergs, Cambridge Five…)

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  124. Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was.

    There was no free press as we understand it in Germany. Granted, ‘free press’ was never really free, but it’s still better than state-control.

    The fact is people in a democracy have the means to realize the truth.. even if they often don’t. Also, when things go badly, people may rise up. Also, even if your dissident voice is not heard, you don’t have constitutional guarantees in a system like National Socialist Germany.

    The fact is the Germans lost all means to oppose and protest Hitler as Nazis consolidated power. In contrast, there was an anti-war movement during the Vietnam War. And the press often went against the government during the war yrs.

    Another thing we have to know about Nazi Germany was that the National Socialists did some good things, even very good things. So, on that basis, it’s understandable why many Germans supported the system. No system is all bad. It does have beneficiaries, and those who benefit may become blind to those who don’t. To understand why things are the way they are, we need to understand that even nations that commit great evil may also do things of immense value. So, the moral issue becomes complicated. (Only Negroes make a mess of everything. All other peoples do bad but can build good on the bad. If Nazis had won in Russia, they would have committed great evils, but then would have built a great new nation atop the old one. But if Negroes take over, it’s all over. Look at Detroit.)

    At any rate, even if every order has a dominant official narrative, such is totally enforced in some systems whereas others do tolerate dissent and deviance. Try saying anything irreverent in North Korea. Try making fun of Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Denounce Che Guevara myth in Cuba, and see what happens.
    In liberal democracies, there is at least the freedom of dissent. And even if democracies also cracked down on dissent in some cases, there is still more freedom.
    Now, I think that may be the problem of power in democracy. Because people do have basic freedoms, they assume that everything is going well. I mean, how can there be autocratic or oligarchic power in a democracy when we are so FREE? But such lax attitude may allow devious elements to gain virtual autocratic power by gaining control of all the key institutions that matter. Deep State.
    Ideal is an active democracy where people don’t take their freedoms for granted and get involved in what’s what. But most people find politics boring. Esp local politics. So, they leave it up to others while they pursue fun stuff like recreation and entertainment.

    Our modern narrative of WWII was also written by victors,

    There’s one crucial difference. History may be written by the victorious side, but the writers may not necessarily be the scribes of the system. In the USSR, all history had to be official history with the stamp of approval by the state.
    That was not the case in the US. Many historians in the US wrote AGAINST the favored official narrative, and in some cases, their counter-narratives became the new prevailing narratives. Because of freedom of expression, even the losers and dissidents could write histories in the West.
    The South lost the war to the North, but southern historians dominated the Civil War and Reconstruction narrative for a time. Soon after WWI, there were many histories critical of US role in the war.
    If there’s sufficient freedom, there is no guarantee that historians in the winning side will be pro-their-own-side.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    Arguing with libby-dib patriotards, this might carry rhetorical water, but historically it’s questionable, especially in contrast to Nazi and Japanese war crimes. Most natives of Americas died of disease due to lack of immunity. Genocide requires intent. It’s like Mongols spread Bubonic plague that killed anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of Europeans. I don’t see that as genocide. Just ‘shi* happens’.
    Now, was there was a policy of expulsion and even at times extermination in the conquest of the New World? Yes, and this was a much bigger event in ‘Latin America’ than in US and Canada.
    North America was sparsely populated. White takeover was much like Russian takeover of Siberia. Humans are invasive and will take over vast empty lands. Indians were childish savages shooting arrows at bison and each other. They couldn’t have done much with the land. So, whites took over, built a great nation, and later apologized and gave Indians some reservations, which was decent enough.

    Nazi and Japanese plans were far more sinister since they tried to quell, destroy, or even eradicate advanced nations with huge populations. Both the scale and character of the aggression were different. Surely, knocking down some tippees isn’t as evil as razing Moscow to the ground. Surely, herding some red savages to a reservation isn’t as horrible as sacking an entire city like Nanking.

    Also, libby-dibs will rebut your argument as follows: “Because we whites did all those bad things, we must atone by allowing mass immigration from darkies.” I’m not sure how letting the world invade the US and Canada helps the native Indians, but there you go. Libby-dibs will not disagree with you but use your points to say THAT is why whites must welcome ‘white genocide’ via mass colonization from Third World. To be sure, white elites think, ‘Better immigrants than negroes. Immigrants can be our servants in cities whereas blacks will burn stuff down.’ The trick of the white/Jewish elites is to elevate blacks into holy icons while replacing them with newcomers.

    Anglo invaders then proceeded to wage another illegal and brutal war of annexation against Mexico from which is stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    In a way, that was an aggressive land grab, but I don’t see it as bad. Mexico held all that land but did NOTHING with it. Mexican elites were too afraid of their brown masses to inspire and use them properly. And the brown masses were making tortillas and dancing in circles like in THE WILD BUNCH. And the war wasn’t all that brutal. It was swift and over pretty quickly as the Mexers couldn’t fight worth a damn. Look what great things Anglos did with the SW territory. The real crime was letting all those Mexers over the border. Now, it’s being Mexicanized again… which is why even Mexicans in those areas move to OTHER areas of the US because regions run by Mexicans is just like more of Mexico.

    At any rate, once the war was over, Anglos and Mexicans got along pretty well. It’s like in PAT GARRETT AND BILLY THE KID where Slim Pickens has a Mexican wife. The real Pat Garrett had a Mexican wife too.

    Should I even mention the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

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    Selling opium was pretty bad, but it was David Sassoon the Jew who done most of it.
    Now, see the good side of British imperialism in China. It led to the overthrow of the foreign Manchus and rise of Chinese mass politics. Also, British development of Hong Kong taught Chinese a lot about world trade. And British ‘racism’ was good stuff. It encouraged non-whites elites to serve their own kind as they were kept out of white clubs. (Now that non-white elites are welcomed into globo Jewish/white clubs, they become like Fareed Zakaria and Francis Cukuyama who serve the empire.) Also, British ‘racism’ reduced chance of race-mixing, and that meant Anglo men didn’t sexually exploit darky women as much as the Spanish and the French did. (How nicer it would have been for the Russians if Mongols were ‘racists’ who didn’t go for race-mixing. There would have been less rape.)
    For many centuries, China was full of itself, arrogant and stagnant. But due to Western incursions, it was forced to change its ways, and mostly for the better. The worst events of China during this period was from Japanese imperialism and then Maoism.

    Apartheid was not evil. As whites were the minority in South Africa, they needed an apartheid system if they were to rule. I mean look what happened to SA ever since it turned democratic.
    Also, apartheid was esp necessary because race-ism is real. Blacks are more muscular, more aggressive, and less intelligent. They are the savage race. So, whites could not offer them equality. Blacks would just run riot, loot, holler, wallop, and rape whitey.

    As for the Irish, they are a difficult people. They got bad temper, have moldy potatoes for brains, and love to fight all the time. Fighting Irish indeed. And Irish are stupid. I mean they fought so hard for independence but now they are allowing their nation to be colonized by Africans and homomania. A bunch of taterheads.

    The Soviet Union can be credited with the destruction of roughly 80% of the Nazi military machine. The US-UK correspondingly can be credited with no more than 20% of the Allied war effort.

    This is true, but USSR got key support from the US, especially in the form of trucks.

    Another thing. Soviet victory over Nazis meant replacing one tyranny with another whereas US victory meant spread of democratic governments. So, even though USSR did more to crush the Germans, it was the American Ideals that were the shining promise in postwar world. And back then, US was not this PC homo-degenerate interracist nation. US was rationally race-ist and respected nationalism. It had yet to be taken over by Jewish globalists and their cuck-turds. Of course, today, US is the biggest source of evil in the world: military, economic, cultural, moral, spiritual(with homomania as new religion).

    It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers! That should tell you a little something about the kind of military machine the Soviet Union had developed in the course of the war against Nazi Germany

    No, the Soviets crushed the Japanese not because they had these great weaponry but because Japanese had nothing. No tanks, no planes, nothing. They just had rifles and molotov cocktails. And some swords. Japan had expended all its war material against Americans and due to US control of seas, Japanese military in North China had no means to supply itself.

    They also made sure that Western Europe would become an immense market for US goods and services and that European resources would be made available to the US Empire, especially against the Soviet Union. And how did they finance this “generosity”? By robbing the so-called Third World blind, that’s all.

    US robbed the third world blind soon after WWII? Where do you get this? Imperialism doesn’t necessarily make a nation rich. Russia had a vast empire for centuries, but that didn’t make it rich. Soviet Empire collapsed.
    US was rich cuz of its great natural resources(America was an empire unto itself), work ethic, free enterprise, innovation, and market economy. And rule of law and property rights.
    If imperialism makes a nation rich, why did Spain decline and decline even though it had a big head start in the imperialist game? America had mostly white people with sound values and sound ideology. And lots of land and resources. The idea that US made Europe rich after WWII by looting the Third World is nuts.

    Also, there is nothing wrong making a nation a market of something. Markets are good. US became a market for European goods(like German cars and Italian shoes), and Europe became a market for US goods. Nothing wrong with that.

    The wealth of Western Europe was built by the abject poverty of the millions of Africans, Asians and Latin Americas.

    Blacks in Africa were always poor. Prior to imperialism, Asia was stagnant and making no progress. Imperialism built up Africa. Africa declined AFTER the Europeans left. Japan made progress by adopting western ways. And China was making headway in the 1930s… until Japan invaded and made a mess of things.

    As for Latin America, that was a European creation. If Spanish and Portuguese had been smarter and had better ideas, they would have achieved much more. Anglo-US came to dominate Latin America because the Latin elites sucked so bad and ruled over brown masses who were never taught anything.

    Stalin wanted a united, neutral Germany. As soon as the war ended, however, the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program and to subvert the Soviet Union.

    There’s surely blame to go around, but given Stalin’s record in the USSR, the idea that he had noble intentions in nations occupied by the Soviets is ludicrous. This is Stalin who did Katyn.
    Stalin had good reasons not to trust the US, but the US and Europeans had good reasons not to trust Stalin. There were many European communists who were pro-Stalinist and anti-American in the post-war yrs. French Communist Party and Italian Communist Party were big, and they were obedient to the USSR. But over time, they all came to see the Soviet system for what it is. The Hungarian uprising and Prague Spring.

    (USA) immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program

    Soviets did this too. They got Nazi German scientists to work in Soviet rockets.

    THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable.

    Those were POSSIBLE war plans. Every nation comes up with these hypothetical scenarios. The fact is sound minds had control in the US and didn’t carry out those plans. Suppose Hitler considered the invasion of Poland and Russia but didn’t carry them out. Then, we have to judge him by what he DID. The fact is, even if US had some nutters coming up with nutty plans, the Power decided against them.

    There is no reason to dig up all the skeletons from the past as every nation has them.

    What really matters is the NOW. In the NOW, Jewish globalism is the biggest power in the world, and US is its Jewel in the Crown, like India was the jewel in the crown of the British Empire.

    As the saying goes, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And Jewish Power has gotten very corrupt.

    This is too bad because Jews had once been effective critics of the empire. When Anglos ruled the world, Jews had to delegitimize Anglo power, and this made them sympathetic to the rest of the world. But now that Jews rule the US and World Power, they are now in pro-imperialist mode. It’s Pax Judaica. And for globalist missionary neo-religion, there is homomania.

    Homomania is necessary as a religion for globalism. After all, people are united by passion than by ideas. During the heyday of Western Imperialism, it was Christianity that supplied the moral passion for expansion. ‘We must conquer darkies to bring them to Jesus and God and salvation.’ Well, Christianity is now dead. Also, Jews hate it. So, they needed a new religion to make people support globalism with passion. Queertianity is the new holy theme that unites everyone behind Globalism. Westerners have been converted to the delirium of homo magic. The mere sight of homo colors makes them pee in their pants, have epileptic fits. They go into rapture mode. So, the globalists can justify ANY imperialist venture by shrouding it in homo colors. Hey look at Ukraine!! The coup was worth it cuz it now has Homo Parades. And Russia is EEEEEVIL because it bans homo parades and ‘gay marriage’. Homomania is now so holy among educated westerners that the Power can justify ANYTHING in their eyes as long as it is seen as spreading ‘gay’ stuff. It’s like so many Europeans and Americans supported any imperialist venture as long as it was portrayed as spreading Jesus and Salvation.

    In the past, the Left had religious zeal about class revolution. Marx and Lenin were gods back then. But former leftists(many of them Jews) got very rich, and the rich wanna get richer. And class politics gets in the way. Globalism makes the rich richer since they can snub the native working class and game the whole world for cheap labor.
    After WWII, the new passion among the Left was Third Worldism. As non-whites were struggling to gain national independence from European imperialists and fighting US ‘imperialists’ in Vietnam and due to Civil Rights Movement, the new big theme was standing with the darkies fighting for liberation. But that religion lost luster because, soon after liberation, so many third world nations sunk into corruption, tyranny, nastiness. Also, if siding with darkies against Wasps had been useful to Jews in their rise to power, Jews-as-new-elites were no longer interested in Darky Liberation since they now wanted to use globalist power around the world to expand Jewish wealth and power.
    So, Jews who’d been anti-Vietnam-War, were for Iraq War, Libya War, Syrian mess, new cold war with Russia, and etc. Granted, many Jews did oppose these, but Jewish elites have been for them.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  125. @jacques sheete

    The boaters were running from commies, not from bombs.

    People in South Vietnam stayed put when the US was bombing the hell out of Vietnam.

    It was after the war and during peacetime that many in the South decided to leave cuz they feared communism. As things turned out, they had good reasons to fear communism.

    The whole thing is tragic. US was wrong to divide the nation. And the North was courageous and patriotic in unifying the nation.

    But their form of Stalinism meant terror and tyranny for many yrs to come.

    • Troll: Cyrano
  126. @Reverend Spooner

    Thank you. Let’s hope it’ll happen the way you described. I have a bit more pessimistic expectations.

  127. iffen says:
    @Johnny Rico

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

    Naw, just opportunistic (or smart); they had to wait and see which side was going to win.

  128. rented mule says: • Website

    I am not an intellectual Egg head, but i know Russian bullshit when i see it. so hears back at you
    America is so powerful that our mistake is being way too nice and patient.
    pear harbor and 9-11 false flag, fuck you. The ancient culture of Afghanistan worth saving, bullshit again. you ruski motherfuckers know all about that. All cultures are not equal and their primitive ass rape of little boy culture should be completely exterminated and all traces erased, if that takes killing every last one of them GOOD RIDDANCE. keep up your shit talk & sooner or later we are going to fight with you, finally an opponent that we will can and will have to go all out on. all you are is a gangster country that cant even keep your average life expectancy from falling. and Russian brides can be had for penny’s. nothing but a kleptocracy.
    HEY WRSA american haters fuck you too.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @iffen
  129. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sarah Toga

    approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU

    In an article detailing the unabashed Evil of your beloved lily white kind, you bring up the relatively minor violence of migrating Moslems and Africans, as the “number one world problem.”

    You of course conveniently ignore the reason for the migration… the evil greed and psychopathy of your kind. Read the article again, you old fool.

    But, the likes of you will never ever see it.

    It is the reason why hell exists… must exist.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
  130. @Beefcake the Mighty

    It’s bizarre. I thought I had seen everything.

    These points are like common, observed, documented history with dates carved in stone. Some of us haggle and debate over the details, subtleties, and implications but the basics have become fairly standardized.

    Putin himself would sign off on this stuff.

    But it’s like a parallel historical universe here with the Russians.

    Ironically, the Westerners here are about as friendly, cooperative, knowledgeable, and tolerant of anything Russia as you are going to get anywhere in the West. We are almost all highly skeptical at the very least to highly critical of the American Deep State and Empire…and yet we are told by these Russians that we don’t know anything about how the world works or especially our own country and our own history.

    So Far, So Good…So What :)

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  131. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Tom Welsh

    “It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities.”

    Yes that tactical decision being to wait until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi’s down sufficiently

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  132. @Anon

    Is this Zen?

    No. It’s Rumsfeld.

    “The adversary is closer to home; it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy…”

    - Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn’t fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn’t American bombs they were fleeing.

    The shooting may have stopped, but the devastation of the bombs, Agent Orange and what not had turned the country into a basket case. In fact, the effects of those hideous things linger to this day, and you and I would wanna leave too, i think.

    • Replies: @Anon
  133. Mulegino1 says:
    @Avery

    The largest invasion force in recorded history was staging in offensive formations in the Bialystok and Lvov salients. The bulk of the Soviet front line airforce was sitting on tarmacs wingtip to wingtip in very close proximity to the western frontiers (most of it was destroyed on June 22, 1941). The most powerful army in the world, the 9th Rifle Corps, was deploying on the Romanian border within easy striking distance of the Romanian oil fields. Large numbers of light infantry were being deployed in the Carpathians; the Danube Flotilla was preparing to sortie.

    It is only the fact that the Soviet forces were caught while staging for an unprecedented invasion of Central Europe that can possibly explain the vast envelopments achieved by the Wehrmacht and its allies in the first few weeks and months of Barbarossa. Had they been deployed in defensive formations in depth, the Germans would have never been able to breach the Stalin Line.

    Hitler quite candidly admitted to Mannerheim that he knew that Barbarossa was a desperate gamble and that his armed forces were not equipped to wage a winter war or a war of attrition with an enemy as powerful as the USSR, but he gave the order anyway, as he knew that had the Soviets struck first and seized the Romanian oil fields, the Wehrmacht would have had a two weeks or so supply of petrol and all of its mechanized units to a halt. With nothing in its way, the gargantuan Soviet invasion force would have engulfed the European continent like a tsunami.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  134. @bdub

    My suspicion is that the United States would rank on the gentler, kinder end of the scale.

    That sounds more like BS than a credible suspicion. You may want to do a bit of serious study before you spew such irresponsibly inaccurate but comforting, self-congratulatory foolishness.

    The US was an ally of the Red Butcher, Stalin. That alone proves your suspicion suspicious.

    I will admit, however, that Joey did do the world a favor when he rid it of a lot of blood spattered old Bolshies. Too bad he couldn’t manage to exterminate their bankster backers.

  135. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?

    Free will, brother….free will…..

    Semantics !?

    Power vacuum then.

    Speaking of “Czechs or Slovaks” you remember ’68?

    So, should you have an opportunity to choose, which master you’d prefer: Russian or American?

    Yes, yes, I know that it would be right,proper, the best, whatever, to be without any master, but,Czechs or Slovaks, of all the people, should know how the real world really works.

    I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.

    You mean which master the’d prefer?
    Probably.
    I have zero doubts about some, too.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Kiza
    , @Anonymous
  136. Cyrano says:
    @rented mule

    Hey dumbo, you don’t have to fight the Russians. Just make some heroic Hollywood prequel movies. When the Russians see how brave you are in your movies, they’ll never dare to fight you.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  137. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    Pagan polytheist human worshippers, following a belief system based primarily on hearsay, consider themselves the purveyors of The Truth.

    And, those following true unbending monotheism, are infidels?

    Remember this; Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

    No amount of spin, or exultation of worldly glory, can whitewash who the real infidels are. :)

    Hell’s torturous embrace awaits your torture loving soul man!

  138. iffen says:
    @rented mule

    Hot Damn!

    It just makes one proud to be a Murican.

  139. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    American bombs, generally speaking, fell on the North and neighboring countries; Red bombs fell on the South and Red Northern troops occupied it. Since the refugees were generally Southerners, they must have been fleeing the Reds. Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  140. Wally says:
    @Anon

    Nonsense, you have no proof.

    • Replies: @Anon
  141. Wally says:
    @utu

    facts:
    - USSR invaded Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, invaded & annexed parts of Romania, invaded Iran, invaded northern Norway and the Danish island of Bornholm, yet the ‘Allies’ did nothing.

    - Poland invaded and annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, held large parts of German territory, was engaged in atrocities against German civilians. Yet the ‘Allies did nothing.

  142. Wally says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    And even the reduced 75,000 is an easily debunked fraud.

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

  143. Wally says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    “The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization’s finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? ”

    Sorry for what?
    The Allies had tons of ‘concentration camps’.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM
    $151,826,695.00

    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf

    US Taxpayers money to to USHMM:
    56,999,500.00
    source: https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    “Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché.”

    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

  144. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @isthatright

    — FDR’s fireside chat when he told the American people he had a map showing German plans to invade USA thru Mexico, plunder their way to DC and topple the US government.

  145. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    still can’t interest a Hollywood studio in producing your fiction, eh PF? keep spinning the yarns — blind pigs and acorns eh wot?

  146. nickels says:
    @Wally

    Who knows.
    Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million.
    That’s the problem with jewish authors playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won’t be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they’ll just write the whole thing off.
    But neurotic authors are power hungry and $ hungry and don’t understand these things.

    • Replies: @ANON
  147. nickels says:
    @Avery

    Whether Hitler was Mother Theresa herself or the almighty devil is beside the point.
    The point is accurate history, not allied lies.

  148. @Randal

    not credible, Randal, for reasons similar to nickel’s comment @146 –

    “That’s the problem with jewish authors playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won’t be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they’ll just write the whole thing off.”

    in other words, you can fool all of the people some of the time . . . but not all of the people all of the time. And time is running out for the tall-tale-tellers.

    in the period Mayer interviewed 10 Germans and wrote his book, Germany was fully under control of US psychological warfare squads, predominantly Jewish. Germans who did not stick to the script imposed on them by occupiers could find themselves living on the street, not getting food, losing their job. The Jewish psychological warfare operatives were brutal and thorough, and they were in control of Germany for over 5 years post-war.

    US occupiers had lists of American authors they sponsored — OSS -which turned into CIA — committed billions to creating propaganda and hiring propaganda writers. William Kristol got his start thanks to CIA financial support.

    Mayer may have been solid and independent, but, see above: the pond of history has forever been polluted by “Jews playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades.”

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  149. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @nickels

    “Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million.”

    Irving claims that “camps further east may have killed a couple million”? No way sir. Please post your source(s) for this absurdity.

  150. anon • Disclaimer says:

    what did your friends think of Lazar Kaganovitch?

  151. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Leader was Stalin. A Christian.

  152. Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled

    Jews saw Germans as “barbarians” which had to be starved, their economy shattered;

    http://www.whale.to/c/new_york_times.html

    Jews planned the incineration of German infants then carried out the project, firebombing 131 German cities, deducting them to rubble then strafing the homeless survivors. 7 million German civilians were rendered homeless. https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Bombing-Germany-1940-1945/dp/0231133812/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1505693764&sr=1-1&keywords=jorg+friedrich

    There was no lie so egregious — and preposterous — that numerous, prominent zionist Jews, mostly in USA, would not tell to incite hatred of Germans.

    i.e. from Peter Moreira’s biography of Henry Morgenthau, Jr: “Early in 1942 Rabbi Stephen Wise told Morgenthau that Germans were making soap and lampshades of Jewish flesh.”

    USA is carrying on almost exactly the same campaign of “Othering” against North Koreans, with the same ghoulish agenda — shatter the North Korean economy (in a softening up operation — sanctions have NEVER worked to “bring a nation to heel.”) for example: Gideon Rose: “North Korea is an evil porcupine . . .” https://www.c-span.org/video/?432425-4/washington-journal-gideon-rose-discusses-trump-admin-foreign-policy-challenges

    US Congress engaged in a shameful exercise in demeaning and childish name calling and called it decision-making re foreign policy , w/ Ed Royce, Eliot Engel & Brad Sherman leading the pack of rabid coyotes baying for the starvation of North Koreans https://www.c-span.org/video/?433679-1/house-members-brief-reporters-north-korea

    That is one reason why the lies about WWII are so pernicious: USA drinks its own KoolAid/propaganda and its turned US leaders into Draculas.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  153. nickels says:
    @ANON

    Irving gives his take on the holocaust at the end of this vid:

  154. Arizona says:

    In your objectivity you also fail to mention the horrors and atrocities committed by the “native” Americans against the “Anglos”.

    • Replies: @Boris Kazlov
    , @uslabor
  155. @Thirdeye

    Which of this wrong and why ? maybe the polygenocide term is wrong, but that is a semantic issue, not factual, the other one is the conspiracy theory, perhaps the most ridiculous conspiracy theory is the one proposed by the US govenrment: that towers build to sustain more than one airplane impact can crumble in freefall and that building 7 can crumble on its footprint at freefall speed WIHOUT being hit by a plane, read the website I posted ae911truth.org and start educating yourself before posting rubbish.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    , @Somewhere in NE
  156. @Arizona

    LIke the atrocities committed by Syrians against the invaders of their land or Soviet soldiers. BTW I do not agree with Saker on the evil bolshevism, and I am a white Russian, like snow.

  157. Eagle Eye says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later – incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.

    The facts stated in support are true – Pearl Harbor happened, and Hitler declared war on the U.S.

    Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was “forced” to enter the war. The U.S. did “choose” to enter the Pacific and European war because FDR and the Communist agents around him (and some Brits) wanted the U.S. to enter the war.

    There is considerable evidence that FDR – always partial to a “get-rich-quick” scheme as noted by his biographer Conrad Black – had advance notice of Pearl Harbor plans and intentionally allowed the operation to proceed (while making sure to U.S. aircraft carriers would be affected). FDR needed a war to stay in office.

    Similarly, Germany does appear to have “declared war” on the U.S. in December 1941. But this “declaration” did not “force” the U.S. to enter the European theater. The U.S. could simply have chosen to stay on the sidelines as it had before December 1941. Again, whatever the military rights and wrongs, the salient fact is that FDR needed a war to stay in office.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  158. uslabor says:
    @peterAUS

    And yet the list is a small minority of all the countries in the world. Not one in the entire continent of South America except for the elites of Columbia.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  159. @Anon

    I was using the word, “bombs,” largely as a figure of speech.
    Anyway, “bombs” can also refer to nearly any HE ordnance such as artillery shells and mortar rounds, and plenty of that was “dropped” on S Vietnam too. Not to mention the carpet bombing of rice paddies from the air in that part of the country. I wouldn’t be surprised if Google maps doesn’t show evidence of the bomb craters to this day.

    Anyway, If you want to beat a tired horse, be my guest.

    (I didn’t mean that literally, either, Pardner!)

    • Replies: @Anon
  160. uslabor says:
    @Silva

    You know, Silva, you’re right. Can’t we just build a wall between us and Russia to keep people like The Saker where he belongs? Huh, can’t we?

    • Replies: @Silva
  161. uslabor says:
    @Arizona

    Arizona, I hope somebody stakes you to an ant hill.

  162. @ANON

    A very good discussion of Irving’s frankly suspicious hedging on the question of the AR camps can be found here:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/4061/?page=1

    • Replies: @nickels
  163. @SolontoCroesus

    “Jews playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades.”

    Decades?

    Try millennia. Some of their own even accused them of it.

    Jeremiah 9

    7 Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty says:
    “See, I will refine and test them,
    for what else can I do
    because of the sin of my people?
    8 Their tongue is a deadly arrow;
    it speaks deceitfully.
    With their mouths they all speak cordially to their neighbors,
    but in their hearts they set traps for them.

    9 Should I not punish them for this?”
    declares the Lord.
    “Should I not avenge myself
    on such a nation as this?”

    2 Timothy

    10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
    11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

    John 8:44

    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    Then there’s the old synagogue of Satan quote.

    (Rev 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    None of these things are faults of the tribe alone, however. The point is neither are they blameless perpetual victims.

  164. @Wally

    Re. Babi Yar, the commonly referenced 34K number refers to Jews only, the official account holds that 150K (Slavs, communists, etc.) were shot by the Germans there, the bodies conveniently (and absurdly) washed away by a flood in the 60′s (never mind there is no archaeological evidence from aerial photos of such an enormous mass grave anyway).

  165. @Johnny Rico

    Yeah, it’s a bit discouraging, really, many Russians here seem to look for any excuse to pick a fight (and I am generally pro-Putin, BTW, for rescuing his country from parasitical “western” economic “advisors”, and standing against Ango-Zionist imperialism).

  166. Seraphim says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    @a specific ethnocultural group that gradually turned against the USSR once they were driven out of power

    Bullseye.
    It is a phenomenon observed and in other ‘communist’ countries (Romania, for example).

  167. Mr. Saker,
    My response to your expose is this:
    We won…they lost. Deal with it.
    Cheers.

  168. @Avery

    You seem unaware that the SU defeated Finland in the Winter War and extracted substantial territorial and economic gains (despite heavy losses, to be sure). Can you please remind us why you expect anyone to take you seriously?

    • Replies: @Avery
  169. Seraphim says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    @A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator

    Not Christianity as such, but Judaism disguised under the cloak of ‘Puritanism’. To wit:

    “The Puritan culture of New England was marked from the outset by a deep association with Jewish themes. No Christian community in history identified more with the Israelites of the Bible than did the first generations of settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, who believed their own lives to be a literal reenactment of the biblical drama of the chosen people―they were the children of Israel and the ordinances of God’s Holy covenant by which they lived were His divine law. Since they viewed themselves as the persecuted victims of the sinful Christian establishment of the Old World (England), the Puritans also had a natural sympathy for the Jews of their own time. The Protestant Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God’s “Beloved People.” The New Israel―The influence of the Hebrew Bible marks every step of the Puritan exodus to their Zion in the wilderness of the New World. The Jewish Bible formed their minds and dominated their characters; its conceptions were their conceptions….
    Unlike their cousins back home, these American Puritans strongly identified with both the historical traditions and customs of the ancient Hebrews of the Old Testament. They viewed their emigration from England as a virtual re-enactment of the Jewish exodus from Egypt: England was Egypt, the English king was Pharaoh, the Atlantic Ocean their Red Sea, America was the Land of Israel, and the Indians were the ancient Canaanites. They were the new Israelites, entering into a new covenant with God in a new Promised Land…
    Accordingly, the first settlers in New England called themselves “Christian Israel.” Comparison of the Puritan leaders with the great leaders of ancient Israel—especially Moses and Joshua—were common. So the names of Daniel, Jonathan, Esther, Enoch, Ezra, Rachel and a host of others were in constant use among the Puritans. Interestingly enough, there was a conspicuous absence of the names of Christian saints.  Names of cities, towns and settlements likewise derived from Hebraic sources.  This widespread use of biblical names, however, was not confined to the naming of offspring, cities and towns – names of many biblical heights were eventually bestowed upon the great mountains of America. Mount Carmel and Mount Horeb, home of the Prophets, were popular names, as was Mount Nebo, the final resting place of Moses. Names like Mount Ephraim, Mount Gilead, Mount Hermon, Mount Moriah, Mount Pisgah, were all popular as well. Some mountains in the New World were even called  Mt. Sinai, Mount Zion and Mount Olive”.

    See a short resume of the problem @http://jdstone.org/cr/files/puritansweremorejewishthanprotesta
    This is the root of ‘Christian Zionism’ which infests America and determin its foreign policy.

  170. Mexico claimed Texas, but the Commanche owned it. Unable to break the Commanche, Mexico hired Anglo frontiersmen to steal it for them. After a long and bitter war with the Commanche, these Anglos did indeed steal Texas from the Commanche. And then they decided to keep it for themselves.

  171. Mises said that the war was won when the British navy, joined by the American navy, defeated the U-boat menace in the north Atlantic (completed 1943). Without this victory, the allies, especially the Russians would not have been supported logistically, via both the Murmansk run and through Iran.

    How would Russia have the supplies, war materials, tanks, planes, etc. if they could not be provided by the allies, principally the Americans? Even Stalingrad might not have been a Soviet victory without this support, for even if they did not there use allied support directly, they were able to forward supply from areas that did.

    There are more American Indians alive today than ever; and countless millions are represented in the DNA of others via inter-marriage. See: Stefan Molyneux on this point.

    • Replies: @Thales the Milesian
  172. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    I say again:
    Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?

    I doubt the Communists would have been much less vindictive though, assuming they still won. It’s not in the nature of Reds to live-and-let-live.

    Not that Americans are so great either, but when you’re riding a dead horse, perhaps having a few people beating it helps. The previous sentence will make considerably more sense after a stiff brandy or two.

  173. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    you remember ’68?

    No, ancient history. But I do remember bombing of Kosovo for ‘human rights’.

    It is a shallow nonsense to state that in a ‘real world’ one must choose a master. Allies, yes, friends, yes, but where do you get the idea that one must have a master civilization to defer to?

    ‘Power vacuum’? What does that actually mean? How would it work in practise in today’s Europe? All countries in Europe have more than enough ‘governments’, institutions and a stable civilization. There is literally a zero chance of a ‘vacuum’, power or otherwise. Those societies are fairly well governed. The main threat they are facing are unmanageable migrants from the Third World. And possibly some mutual hostilities traced back to their contentious history. But neither US, nor Russia, nor China, have much to do directly with any of it. Chasing towel-headed fanatics in Afghanistan or marching around the Baltic marshes are equally pointless when it comes to real threats those countries are facing. We all know it and the false choice that you are trying to push on us is absurd in its face. It is in your head, the dichotomy of latter-day Cold War grandpas, it means nothing today.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  174. Seraphim says:
    @Wally

    Talking about Babi Yar, the figure is…33,771 (you’ll love the precision of it!), put on the account of the Commander of the camp, Paul Blobel, by a vapid http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/270.html. And of course, by ‘retrieved memories’ of ‘survivors’.
    As in many other cases the figures hardly match the number of killings attributable to Blobel by the Nurnberg Tribunal: “during testimony he was alleged to have killed 10,000–15,000″ (Wikipedia) in all his career.

  175. nickels says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Interesting, thanks.
    What a crazy thread.

  176. peterAUS says:
    @uslabor

    Hahaha……

    Maybe, just maybe, because they are far away from The Bear?
    Or The Dragon?

    Maybe close proximity of those from the list to those two Big Guys has something to do with their attitude?
    You know…closer they are…..?!?

    Just an idea.

    .

  177. @Seraphim

    Even in this link, the context of the mass shootings (which definitely happened, actual numbers aside) is made clear: reprisal shootings for specific partisan actions (i.e. not part of some centralized extermination plan, although excesses doubtless occurred).

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  178. @Seraphim

    BTW, Blobel was not a camp commandant, he was an Einzatzgruppen commander.

  179. Parfois says:
    @Johnny Rico

    “…Russians were allied with the Nazis”

    If you keep your mouth shut you may hide your ignorance and stupidity… and appear normal. Go to your Wiki-bible and find out the difference between an alliance treaty and a non-aggression treaty. Meanwhile learn a basic lesson: the USSR was never allied with Nazi Germany.

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  180. Thirdeye says:
    @Boris Kazlov

    If you think about it for even a minute, Building 7 undoes the conspiracy theory rather than supporting it. The contention is that the airplane impacts were a cover for a demolition. So why would the conspirators do demolition on a building not impacted by an airplane and deliberately blow their cover if that were the case? They had some extra demo charges and couldn’t help themselves from taking down Building 7 just for giggles?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Joe Wong
  181. Parbes says:
    @The Alarmist

    “…if America as we know it today collapses, they’re taking the whole world down with them.”

    Nonsense! The USSR collapsed with noone else except themselves (and a few of their closest allies) suffering – and with their devoted, unreconciled enemies actually benefiting HUGELY from the collapse. The same should happen with the U.S. empire (except that, in the case of the U.S. empire, you can replace the phrase “their devoted enemies” with “those who have been wronged by the U.S. empire and suffered from its multitude of crimes throughout the decades”).

    Or is this a threat?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  182. Thirdeye says:
    @KA

    That was pretty much the Anglo-French war plan – wait for Germany and the Soviet Union to go to war and bleed each other dry, then sweep over Europe. It was undone by the little oopsie of having France knocked out of the war first.

  183. Thirdeye says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Your numbers are fabrications.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  184. grr says:
    @dearieme

    dearieme, British Lord Kitchener is the architect of concentration camps, during the Boer War. Get yer facts correct or you appear a twat.

  185. Parfois says:
    @Wally

    Poor Wally, always busy to find a hiding place, he was left behind at kindergarten level. He (mis)reads everything coming his way and gets confused with grotesque images of history. For Wally and those of the same ilk left stranded in kindy, Hitler was the Messiah coming to liberate the white race by conquering all white (by then) Europe up to the Urals, except that those undeserving untermenschen Soviets did not want to be “liberated” off their land! And for that unpardonable sin against capitalism on steroids (a.k.a. fascism/nazism) now the Wallies of this world blame the Soviets for starting WWII!!!

    Keep on the good work and uncover the hidden secrets proving the Soviets also started WWI, maybe they also secretly ran the Nazi concentration camps and, the worst of crimes, they also had the time to insidiously incite the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. By doing all those nasty things, the Soviets also created the conditions for the rise of Islamic terrorism leading to the worst external attack on the exceptional nation ruled by the Chosen tribe, themselves a branch of the traitorous Soviet Bolsheviks who escaped the McCarthy witch hunt.

  186. @Thirdeye

    If you think about it for even a minute, your comment simply reveals your own desperation in trying to uphold and build support for the official narrative, the one that requires the laws of physics to be suspended in order to have occurred as a result.

    The fact remains that three massive skyscrapers collapsed into their own footprint at almost freefall speed while hundreds of first responders and a myriad of witnesses reported multiple explosions and there is seismic evidence to back those claims up. See ae9iitruth.org for a detailed explanation.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  187. Tom Welsh says:
    @The Scalpel

    In a sense, you are quite right. The Normandy invasion could by no means go ahead “until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi’s down sufficiently”.

    But not necessarily for geopolitical reasons. The success of the invasion – don’t forget, by far the biggest sea-borne invasion ever – hung in the balance even as things were. Had the Germans disposed of even a dozen or so of the scores of divisions tied down in the East (and destroyed in the course of Operation Bagration, for instance) the invasion might have been repelled with appalling losses. The consequencew would have been a further year (or more) of delay in opening a Western front.

  188. Tom Welsh says:
    @Eagle Eye

    ‘Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was “forced” to enter the war’.

    I don’t think that can be quite what you meant to say. When your main battle fleet is attacked and many ships sunk with the loss of thousands of lives, you do not have the option of remaining at peace.

    Nor when a head of state personally declares war on your nation, as Hitler did. From that day on, all US forces and civilian property were liable to attack by the Axis, and any US government that did not defend itself or fight back would have been quickly strung up (by their necks if they were lucky).

    You seem to be saying that the US government secretly plotted to get the USA into the war. So what? If that is what happened, it was only FDR and a handful of his associates who were in the secret. The very fact that he plotted in secret – if he did – is the most powerful proof that the US people and the US government did NOT want to go to war.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  189. @Rick Johnson

    peterAUS,

    Can you check in the Internet “the nostalgia of East Europeans for communism?

    This may answer your question about “who is better?”

  190. @Parbes

    The USSR at the end was being run by realistic and rational beings who were looking for a better life after the Soviet Union. I’ve seen their old Dachas etc, and compared to the gang in DC they had little to lose from a peaceful reboot. The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  191. Seraphim says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    You won’t be surprised if the figure of 20,000 Jews killed by the Romanian Army in Odessa in October 1941 (as reprisals for partisan terrorism) have been contradicted by Molotov himself who denounced the killing of 8,000 people in Odessa ‘mostly Jews’! Even more surprising would be the fact that this information is relayed by documents kept at… Yod Vashem (ahem!).

  192. @NoseytheDuke

    Don’t forget the overlooked Building 6, which was literally hollowed out and obviously not the result of any plane crash. There were probably multiple operations going on during 9-11.

  193. Parbes says:
    @The Alarmist

    “The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall.”

    That’s why the “gang” need to be made to understand that this can be done the nice way; or it can be done the hard way.

    That “making understand”, however, cannot be accomplished by cowering in fear, acquiescing indefinitely to their power and demands, acting like obedient sheep, and not lifting a finger.

  194. Silva says:
    @uslabor

    Why do you like immigrants who refuse to identify with the country they go to (i.e. rootless cosmopolitans)? I thought that was most of the problem.

  195. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The American government made 800 treaties with the Indians and broke every single one while at the same time committing genocide.

    America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776

    http://davidswanson.org/warlist/?link_id=3&can_id=ed31bf4cbc8f991980718b21b49ca26d&source=email-how-outlawing-war-changed-the-world-in-1928-2&email_referrer=email_232560&email_subject=how-outlawing-war-changed-the-world-in-1928

    It’s a brutal empire, like all empires, perhaps worse. It exists for the enrichment of the 1%, like all regimes. If you continue to believe propaganda, you are part of the problem.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  196. @nickels

    With the marked exception of number one (poor Hitler didn’t know what they were doing to Jews et al. in concentration camps) and the Antichrist comment, I tend to agree.

  197. More hilarious ignorance by Saker:

    I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America.

    If you haven’t seen any, you need to get out more. I saw a lot of it even back in the 60s. Family and friends saw it get worse through the 70s and 80s.

    The Nazi regime in the Ukraine….

    You just can’t get past this pathetic lie. And, lie it is.

    This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia, with war and possibly nuclear war and that, in turn, means that this Empire threatens the survival of the human species.

    This is truly funny in its bland ignorance. The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal. Yet, you can’t get past this lie either. I don’t like the fact the Neocons don’t pick battles well, but not all they have involved the US in have been failures, despite your nonsense. To take just the one operation you call a complete failure, Grenada, was anything but. It’s objectives were reached, and the fighting stopped. Same in Panama.

    To borrow a few lines from H. L. Mencken, with no apologies,

    If you don’t read Saker, you are uninformed.
    If you do read Saker, you are misinformed.

    Saker talks about brainwashing, but cant get past his self brain laundering.

    Latin America is the way it is because it bought into socialism. Argentina was a 1st world country in the early 20th century. Then, Peron came on the scene and the old phrase “rich as an Argentine” lost its meaning as Peron drubbed the country economically. No form of fascism is healthy economically. Even the current version of China is a house of cards.

    By the by, if Russia is so great, why doesn’t he live there? The reason is quite simply, and goes back to a statement made of Stalin’s Soviet Union – the place is a 3rd world country with nukes.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  198. @Thirdeye

    I share your sentiment, thirdeye. For example, take the talk about white European settlers allegedly polygenociding the very few people who lived in largely primitive conditions – murdering and raping and looting and scalping each other – without effectively developing or even permanently occupying and cultivating these vast lands, which is itself exaggerated double-standard nonsense.

    Saker apparently is fine with non-white people, such as “Native American” Indians, taking land or resources or women by force, but not white people.

    And where is the Saker’s call for Russians to give back or at least make reparations for the lands and resources they took by violence and intimidation from the many racially or ethnically different peoples, including the Chinese, who used to have much of those lands?

    The Saker undermines his credibility greatly with the distracting PC crap about the evil whites and the poor noble peaceful Indians. Ask the Hopis, for example, how peaceful and fair minded the Navajo were, and ask yourself why the Hopi reservation is tiny and surrounded by a vast Navajo Rez. (Yes, those sainted Navajo, a few of whose members are so lionized for being codetalkers in the us gov effort to kill millions of Germans and help the soviets enslave much of Europe instead.)

  199. @Canadian Cents

    Excellent points, except that decent people must rejoice that the soviets were prevented from enjoying even more “fruits” of their sacrifice. Enough people suffered under that vile regime already, in Russia, in the other SSRs, and elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  200. @CensoredByTheSaker

    I have two Jewish acquaintances, one born and raised in the USA and a self-proclaimed “American patriot” and “conservative republican” and the other born and raised mostly in Russia, who can’t even hide their vicious hatred of Russians and Germans.

    One of the two remarked “good” when I pointed out the impoverishing effect that the much harsher sanctions he favors – effectively, an economic blockade and embargo of Russia — could have on the Russian people. The same fellow thinks it funny to contemplate Russia being taken over gradually by Muslims.

    They may hate the Russians even more than they hate the Germans, it seems.

  201. @Black Bird

    You’re right. It will NOT be better living under the boot of the heartless, brutal, “pragmatic” Chinese, where individual people are nothing but ants, if the USA collapses and becomes unable to deter or meaningfully project force outside its borders.

    Nor will it be better living under sharia.

    Neither the Chinese nor the worshippers of the pedophile prophet will hesitate to kill, conquer, and occupy wherever they can if no other major power stands in their way.

  202. @iffen

    It has, indeed, become an evil government and an arrogant, ugly, stupid, perverse, homosexual-worshipping, savage-glorifying, increasingly slothful and unhealthy culture here in the USA.

    But if you travel around the world, you’ll see evil and cruelty again and again, perpetrated by those same noble nonwhite nonwestern people who are supposedly always victims and nothing like us horrible Americans. Please. Most of these peoples inflict what they can on other races, tribes, or religions with whatever more-limited technology and organization they can muster.

  203. @iffen

    False. If you really want to leave, you can certainly arrange for permanent residency and eventually citizenship in another country if you work at it. Canada, for one.

    Certainly it is not hard to retire to another country and be welcomed, with income or asset requirements that are often not onerous. Some in Latin America.

    Is it really prohibitively difficult to learn, say, Spanish over the course of several years preparing to leave the us for a Latin American country?

    You and I are still here – for now – because we want to be here more than we want to leave, despite the growing defects and injustices in our culture, economy, and national character.

    • Replies: @iffen
  204. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    When we look back on Saddam’s trial which was recent, it helps to imagine how far from fair those trials from the past were ! and btw, did his trial cover the wmd’s he didn’t use ?

  205. @The Alarmist

    Beautifully reasoned and written comment, with a balance between appropriate respect for other peoples and cultures, and not hating oneself or favoring others over one’s own family and nation as lefties today want us to do.

    But it’s dangerously naive to think that almost everyone in the world just wants to be happy, have food and shelter and clothing and family and safety etc. Hundreds of millions of Muslims want to subjugate, intimidate, kill, and do whatever it takes to enforce their vision of life and morality.

    I favor the US getting our troops the hell out of those countries, as well as ending sanctions and droning and other hostilities against Muslim peoples when they are not attacking or preparing to attack us here in our lands. But let’s have no illusions about “everyone just wanting the same things in life.” Evil bullies who will never leave the rest of us in peace run the US government, and such evil bullies are also widespread and inherent in the intolerant political supremacist cult known as islam (proud imitators of the original evil bully, pedophile mentally ill muhammad.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  206. @Heros

    I fully agree. How are we supposed to take the Saker seriously when he repeats the following Jewish propaganda a fact:

    Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.

  207. @Thirdeye

    Is it alright that the soviets “merely” murdered FEWER millions of innocent peaceful people, including millions of Christian Russians and other Christian Slavs? What is your point?

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  208. @Ghost

    You may be right, but we both hope you’re wrong, eh?

    Drastic changes, done gradually, might still effect a managed decline and reorganization of the us gov and society, rather than a collapse at home or abroad, tho admittedly the hour is getting late in financial and cultural terms.

    Gradual withdrawal of US troops from Japan, Germany, South Korea, Kuwait, etc., coupled with those countries doing whatever they think they need to do to deter potential aggressors such as China.

    Gradual reduction in US military spending and domestic spending alike. Just two or three percent per year, done mostly by attrition and buyouts rather than firing, to lessen the impact on soldiers and other gov employees and their families and towns.

    Plenty of ways to save or raise a few billions here, a few tens of billions there, without lowering the quality of life or impairing the liberty of American citizens. Make noncitizens ineligible for just about any gov program or benefit other than unemployment or truly urgent emergency medical care. Repeal Fed prohibition of marijuana and levy an excise tax, sending revenue to gov rather than gangs and growers here and in Mexico. End birthright citizenship and chain migration from the third world, which contibute enormously to the growth of our welfare dependent class. Tax remittances sent to people in foreign countries, as trump wisely proposed in his otherwise typical fluff campaign book. Require federal employees to pay a higher proportion,of their medical insurance premiums, increasing their share by just one percent per year over the next twenty years (currently the fed taxpayers cover more than seventy percent of fed employees Med insurance premiums, I think, but some fed employees can correct me if that is no longer the case…. and many more gradual reductions that don’t entail things like abolishing or severely curtailing Medicaid or Medicare.

    No radical overnight changes for us citizens proposed here, but some acknowledgement of the reality of our limited financial and Human Resources and an effort every year to slightly lessen our gov’s commitments. First and foremost, phase out our subsidy of non citizens here, our subsidy of corporations or unions, and our subsidy of governments and militaries abroad. Big changes that will in time save big money, without adversely affecting the great majority of American citizens.

    Admittedly, if trump and a Repub congress won’t even get started on gradual economic and militsry retrenchment, it may not happen in time to save us, or ever. But that’s what we can do to aim for a managed decline and reform, rather than a collapse.

  209. Rurik says:

    came to this party late, and haven’t read all the comments, but the crux of the article is something that vexes very many of us; and that is the extraordinary power of the PTBⓊ to write ‘the narrative’ on the hearts and souls of the masses. Creating their own “Matrix’-like reality wherein 90%+ of the sheople bray and wallow.

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.

    yep, and we have two choices- either we end the Fed, or we sit by and hope the rest of the planet can come up with an alternative to the ‘world’s reserve currencyⓊ’.

    as long as they control the money, they control everything

    and as long as they control everything, the rest of us will get more wars and Orwellian dystopias and hatred and strife and misery

    it is written

  210. iffen says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You and I are still here – for now – because we want to be here more than we want to leave

    I would not entertain the idea of leaving.

    That comment was for the benefit of The Saker and others like him.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  211. @CensoredByTheSaker

    Much like the Russia Today tv station and website babble on about American mistreatment of those poor noble African-”Americans” who are merely minding their own business when cops attack them — while none of the writers, editors, producers live in a majority-black or even plurality-black neighborhood or city.

    Easy for Russians like RT and Saker to spout about how to deal with that population when they are safely far away from them.

  212. @Jason-------

    Is there a button for “wish I could say you’re wrong but I can’t”?

  213. @Michael Kenny

    So the US gov doesn’t recognize and jealously guard its own sphere of influence? How would we react if Russia placed troops “in our backyard” just over the border in Canada or Mexico, as we have done with us and NATO troops in Eastern Europe? Try to tell us that the US gov would say “oh, we don’t want to go back to those pre-1789 spheres of influence.”

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  214. @Fred V. Reed

    Damn, Fred, you ruined it. I was agreeing with much of the Saker piece too.

  215. @RadicalCenter

    Completely agree, except that the US govt regards pretty much the entire planet as its “sphere of influence”.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  216. Kiza says:
    @peterAUS

    As someone who used to be a regular commenter here and now come here only when have absolutely nothing better to do, I would like to award you the title of the most brainwashed, dumb and annoying troll on unz.com. Since I reside in the same country as you do, I actually find it hard to imagine that such sh** rolls down the same streets that I walk. Simply, I have never met crap like you in this fine country. You and a couple of other morons are the reason that I am not commenting here any more. You can enjoy the cesspool you created together with your Hasbara friends, Averies and other assorted.

    To put it in another way – you are so full of valuable opinions as a turd is rich in vitamins.

    If she have not said do already, unz comments are a cesspool now, unfortunately.

    PS I thought that Wizzard of Oz was bad till this empty-headed crap showed up.

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  217. @Parfois

    We’ve already covered this. This thread has been here for a day. Thanks for your useful input.

  218. Interesting fantasy world The Saker has. I have heard of conspiracy theorists but never met one from the Soviet side. So many contradictions, it’s hard to know where to start.

    Suffice to say, The Saker considers itself an elite – choice of phrase, assumption of moral and intellectual superiority, maintenance of so many mutually exclusive behaviors (selecting first one, then the other, as the situation requires). The smug, the arrogance come through loud and clear. And they’d better, because this refugee from an alternate timeline is pushing the idea that everything we think we know is false, we are surrounded by liars with no obvious motive, who (despite their numbers) have somehow managed to keep this all a secret from everyone under their thumb.

    Everyone but The Saker. Naturally.

    Good luck with that, Saker. You’re something I have never actually seen before. But maybe that’s why you’re here. Go back to shaping that tinfoil hat, buddy.

  219. Sam Shama says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general. In particular, they ought not be allowed to proselytise in the West.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Rurik
  220. Zumbuddi says:

    Among many errors of logic in Saker s rant — NS Germany did not target Christian Russia but Jewish-influenced Bolshevic Commies, esp. Since Commies targeted Germany in ATTEMPT to subvert and “internationalize”
    Shaker s cliche re history demands full rebuttal

    And his solution — collapse of Empire — is juvenile, pedestrian

    Rwanda resolved its horror w a process of Truth and Reconciliation.
    The same would be much less costly in lives &treasure — tell the truth about Zionist/ Jewish treachery in the world wars
    Debunk holocaust nonsense
    Shut down or tear down holohoax freak show museums

  221. Brawndo says:

    I’ve always thought you were full of sh!t, Saker. Now after reading this dreck, I see that I am correct.
    “the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans”

    Wrong. We didn’t steal anything, we TOOK it. As in conquered. You know, like every other group in human history? There is nothing “illegal” about it. What law (and whose law) did conquering Stone Age savages break? Take your Russia-philia and blatant Anti-Americanism and shove it up your ass.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  222. Brawndo says:
    @Fred V. Reed

    Says the coward hding out in Mexico. Don’t worry boomer, we’ll clean up the mess your shitty generation left for us.

  223. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG

    Obama and Clinton did indeed back the neo-Nazis in Ukraine. – Nice touch for their resumes.

    Meanwhile the “liberated” Ukraine is entering its “well-done” phase: http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/03/the-rothschilds-and-ukraine.html
    “The Rothschild family has come up with an initiative to create a group of Ukrainian bond holders to shape a common policy on debt settlement. Rothschild & Cie Banque, a French bank belonging to Rothschild Group, offered its service in the capacity of «go-between» in the talks of Ukraine’s Ministry of Finances and creditors on restructuring the debt.”
    One of the possible outcomes of the approaching default: “….the agreement will confirm the consent of Ukraine’s government on complete privatization of the country, including the rest of state industrial property, land and natural resources. Franklin Templeton and other structures belonging to the Rothschilds will gain.”

  224. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general.

    nope Sam

    the greatest danger of Islam (to the West) is that treacherous Jews in the West are using their positions of power to open the gates to a massive and transformational invasion of the West by Islamic hoards. Duh

    If we’d simply stop fighting eternal zio-wars for Israel, and leave the Muslims alone to sell us oil, there’d be no problem with Islam.

    But it’s because of the ((invade / invite)) kosher insanity imposed on the West by treacherous, hatred-consumed Jews, (neocons like Sheldon Adelson) that Islam is a problem today.

    wouldn’t you agree?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  225. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Serge Krieger

    “… Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years…”
    It seems that you have some strong words against Russian nobility. Have you heard about “zemstvo?” It is exemplary naive to assign all positive qualities to the manual laborers, for the expense of Russian intelligentsia, including nobility. It seems that the glorification of the laboring masses was the main point of the Soviet propaganda…
    Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a “normal” European state, with the well-developed local governments, local schools, and local hospitals in addition to the first-class universities and hospitals in the metropolitan centers. From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully. You need to check the Moscow School of Mathematics, for example. Or you could try to learn about Russian avant-garde of the beginning of the 20-th century, which was a heavy influence on the western endeavors (minus the soulful seriousness of the Russian artists and architects who were deep into philosophy). The Bolshevik revolution was a terrorist act that stunted the development of Russia. The enormous potential of the country has allowed for a recovery, long and painful, which is still going on today.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Thirdeye
    , @Sergey Krieger
  226. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    I’ll pick Dragon. They seem like they plan ahead beyond 4 years.

    At least the Chinese will mostly leave us alone beyond economics and they helped us against the Americans when your masters decided to abuse us for fun. Repeatedly.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  227. @Anon

    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    USSR survived and even triumphed from the hellfire of WWII… but declined and collapsed under its own official ideology.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @anonymous
  228. Moi says:
    @nickels

    The Zios will take over, with the shabbos goyim doing the dirty work.

    This might interest you (although I’m no fan of the writer):

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068

  229. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    you remember ’68?

    No, ancient history.

    O.K.

    But this isn’t ancient history:

    would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

    Makes sense.
    Whatever works to swipe Soviet/Russian imperialism, genocide, war crimes and atrocities under the rug.
    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us. We are the good guys…….we are….we are…..we are…………………………..

    • Replies: @Beckow
  230. @Quartermaster

    The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal.

    That is a material misstatement of fact. Both Russia and Ukraine disarmed a significant number of nukes. In fact, more than a couple neocons played up the possibility of nuking up Ukraine in response to Crimea, pointing out that it had agreed to diarm all of its nukes in exchange for a Russian guarantee of Ukranian borders at that time.

    Greneda: A stunning success indeed, but one of the duller stars on my Expeditionary Medal ribbon. Not really a fair fight, but the surfing was OK.

    A lot of Latin America owes its present state to a succession of socialist governments toppled by US juntas. One can only wonder how they’d be if they hadn’t endured that vicious cycle.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  231. @Cyrano

    Red Dawn 1984 teamed the Sovs up with the Cubans, but the latter seem rather toothless now, so Red Dawn 2012 teamed the Russkies up with the big, bad Norks.

  232. woodNfish says:

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire. … This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia

    And yet at the beginning of this article, this POS ruskie immigrant says he evacuated with others from Florida. Hey shithead jew! GO BACK TO RUSSIA! Of course the Russians don’t want you POS jews either. I don’t blame them.

    I also noticed in your entirely too long diatribe Saker, you POS jew, that you fail to mention that jews helped put Hitler in power by voting for him and supporting him until he turned on them. So you have your rewritten history too. POS hypocrite jew.

  233. utu says:
    @anon

    From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully.

    And somebody did not like it.

  234. Cyrano says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The reason I am writing you this memento is because you are demento. You don’t know nothing about communism, so shut your trap. All the experts like you have ever heard about communism is some stale propaganda and they think they know everything.

    Repeat after me: gulag, KGB, Stalin, oppression. After you repeat this phrase 10 times – you are an expert on communism. That about sums it up how you and the others like you have acquired their “knowledge” on communism.

  235. @Kiza

    I just read through some of your comments from the last month. I wouldn’t be opposed to you slowing down even more. Thanks for doing that.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Kiza
  236. @Priss Factor

    This is an important point. There are more than a few historians who believe the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1980s was ultimately the consequence of destruction suffered during the Russo-German war of 1941-45.

    On a semi-related note the work of Emmanuel Todd is interesting if you have not read it.

    After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (2003)
    by Emmanuel Todd

     

    “Todd attracted attention in 1976 when he, at 25 years old, predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, based on indicators such as increasing infant mortality rates: La chute finale: Essais sur la décomposition de la sphère Soviétique (The Final Fall: An Essay on the Decomposition of the Soviet Sphere).”

     

    • Replies: @Miro23
  237. Thirdeye says:
    @The Alarmist

    Minor point of correction – Ukrainian controlled nukes were never on the table. No former Soviet strategic forces were ever going to be under the control of former outer republics. The deal was for the former Ukrainian SSR to maintain its borders in exchange for neutrality, period. Russia even moved to counteract those in Crimea who wished to remain with Russia rather than join the new Ukrainian state.

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html

  238. Another religious exercise: we get to pick our interests and of experience proves us wrong we adjust.

    Saker just likes to play the prophet, the rabbi and have us believe based on the words used, and not the truth observed.

    Saker is of the Book, but no evidence of proven ability: he is of reveal truth and not demonstrated performance.

  239. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    “great moral capital.”

    do you stay up nights making up this s&%t?

    USSR was enriched like never before because Commies walked out of Germany with everything that wasn’t nailed down and 90% of what was nailed down (discounted by what US stole from Germany).

    It didn’t hurt that USA lent them money to achieve this “proud victory”, aided & abetted by Commie spies in FDR’s government like mosquitos in Mississippi.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  240. Thirdeye says:
    @anon

    “Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a “normal” European state…….”

    That would be predicated on Russia winning in WWI, which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do. Absent the Bolshevik Revolution, the most likely outcome would have been a rump Russian state bordered by ethnic statelets aligned with colonial powers seeking their resources – minerals in the Donbas, oil in the Caucasus region, agricultural products in the Ukraine and such. The Bolsheviks succeeded in holding most of the old empire together by taking a de-Russified stance that allowed them to make deals with the outer nationalities to oppose the Tsarists. The Tsarists were never going to do that. Britain was still very much into the Great Game and would not foster a settlement of the war that would lead to the rise of a competitive industrial power in Russia.

    The essential tension in the Tsarist attempts at developing the Russian economy was the antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended – the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class. And that’s not even considering the tension between the Tsarists and the nationalities who chafed under their rule. One way or another, disruptive social strife was in the cards.

    Whatever else might be said about Stalin, the development of heavy industries in the 1930s was a signal accomplishment that blindsided virtually the entire world. It resulted in Hitler woefully underestimating the Soviet Union’s ability to mount a sustained war effort.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Seraphim
  241. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us.

    Any objective observer can see the exact opposite: it is the ‘Anglos’ who try to control the narrative and constantly declare themselves the ‘good guys’. You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10′s of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc…) or US, or Australia.

    You seem to be one of the Cold War grandpas, still bitter after all those years. Get over it, ’68? who the f..k cares?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Johnny Rico
  242. IvyMike says:

    I agree with most of what you say but, being such a stickler for details and absolute truth I strongly encourage you to research how complex, time consuming, and impossible to conceal is the preparation for a controlled demolition. And maybe spend a year in quite and sober self contemplation with the goal of slowing down your very interesting stream of concsiousness and expressing yourself with a bit more clarity.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  243. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    ’68? who the f..k cares?

    Rusophiles definitely don’t.

    And they don’t also care for the rest of this …….casual reading:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

    All in the ancient past for them.
    We just need to trust them, they say.

    They are the good guys…..they say.

    And if they keep repeating it, well, who knows…they believe some people will buy it.
    That’s the one thing in this topic I agree with them.

    Quantity has its own quality.

  244. @Beckow

    You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10′s of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc…) or US, or Australia.

    Could you do me a favor and translate this sentence into English? Thanks.

    It’s just that rough estimates show Ireland’s population dropping from 8 million in 1840 to 3.2 million in 1900 and your grammar is impenetrable.

  245. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye

    “…which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do.”
    Perhaps you are not aware of the name of Mr. Jacob Schiff, an American financier, and his effective efforts re Russo-Japanese war of 1905 and the revolutionary agitation among the Russians prisoners of the war. The Bolshevik revolution was the fundamentally terrorist enterprise that started with the dissolving of the constitutional assembly. Look for the financiers of the prominent Bolshevick revolutionaries, for example, Trotsky.
    “…antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended – the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class.”
    This statement is not supported by the facts. Even the old and moneyed aristocrats (for example, Nabokovs) were on a side of reforms.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    , @Anon
  246. You have no problem listing the sins of the U.S. and in large part you are fairly factual. However, you fail to mention the fact that the American Indians were among the bloodiest of examples, of humanity on the face of the earth. Long before the U.S. was a nation. Slavery, torture for ritual and military domination of any other tribe was the common theme of life for the “noble American indian”.

    The English , Dutch & every other European nation, shipped hundreds of thousands of Irish and Scots to the new world – and the Carib Islands, as out-right slaves and as indentured servants, long before Africans became the primary basis of the slave trade, by the same English, Dutch ect ect slave traders. Yale University was established by one of the premier slave ship owners of that era. New York was named after the slaver “blackbird” Duke of York. History is what it is. Humanity is on average a bloody, heedless raft of barbarians. The “moneyed and powerful” have always dictated the terms by which all peoples live their lives, with no regard for right or wrong and without granting a choice in the decision making to all the “rest of us”. That has not changed at all.

    You are intent on beating the U.S. for repeating the same mistakes that every empire in history has made; as if you are surprised that people are still greedy, vengeful and stupid.

    Let me correct you on one aspect of this history. China and Russia and several dozen other nations murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, just because the politics of doing so was so easy. They also murdered millions of people that were not their own citizens.

    The U.S. has also murdered millions of people, not U.S. citizens and a few million or so American soldiers during “Lincolns War”; “Wilsons War”; “FDRs War”; “Trumans War”; The Eisenhower/LBJ War”; the South American “Drug Franchising Wars”; meddling in the “Balkans’ Wars” and all the various “Sand Wars”. Reprehensible each and every one; and yet supported by the international community at every turn.

    YET- YET – To date however, the U.S. has refrained from murdering tens of millions of its fellow Americans. At least to date – tho that is subject to change any day, considering the political realities facing us.

    People are people the world over and regardless of where they started from, historically they end up in the same place – again and again. Enjoy the one sided debate you have going and remember – repeating history is what humanity does best.

    And ain’t that a bloody, damn shame.

    Bill Cleveland

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Schmid
  247. @IvyMike

    Mike, I would suggest that you research the total power shutdowns, the only such events in the history of the buildings, just prior to 9/11, the large number of “art students” living illegally for months prior to the event in said buildings, along with cartons clearly marked as coming from a detonator manufacturer and who exactly controlled the security company whose job it was to watch over them. There’s much more…

    • Replies: @Erebus
  248. peterAUS says:
    @Circular Argument

    Agree.

    Well written.

    There IS a catch though with

    repeating history is what humanity does best

    Nuclear weapons. Thermonuclear type.

    That adds some gravity to the current situation.

    • Replies: @iffen
  249. Kiza says:
    @Johnny Rico

    You are a champion turd swimming the backstroke in this cesspool, although I have not even paid attention to your crap before. No need to slow down, you are swimming among the friendly turds. Are you turds at least paid for your mind-diarrhea, out of those $600M that US government dedicated to making a swamp out of the Internet until it can control it. LOL.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @Daniel Chieh
  250. Miro23 says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Thanks for the link. I’d never heard of the book , but I’ve just read through the very interesting Amazon summary and comments .

    https://www.amazon.com/After-Empire-Breakdown-Perspectives-Criticism/dp/023113102X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505787199&sr=8-1&keywords=emmanuel+todd

    Without reading the book I shouldn’t comment, but anyway; Publishers Weekly does a fine summary, and reviewer Dick Burkhart says,

    “However, as Chalmers Johnson suggests, we should look at modern empire from new perspectives. The rest of the world is forced to prop up the US economy, otherwise their own economies will be hard hit. And the US empire project is directed at granting the benefits of US citizenship throughout the world, not as political citizens but as consumers, not as equal citizens, but with most of the wealth going to elites, for whom the rest labor at low cost. It’s a kind of universal citizenship for the wealthy, with just enough “bread and circuses” for the masses to keep them from revolting, also enough education and entrepreneurial opportunity that they will be good employees and suppliers, and enough social opportunity that the most talented and hardworking can make it into the elites rather than leading revolts. In practice, of course, what has often materialized, under the lure of short-term profit, has been the stench of exploitation.”

    Todd makes the valuable point that US $ reserve status is central to everything (very much linked to oil pricing) and it is weakening.

    Also from Publishers Weekly:

    “Particularly reductionist is his demographic and anthropological view of political science, in which birth and literacy rates and peasant family structures are virtually the sole determinants of a society’s politics (but, it should be noted, he used declining birth rates in the Soviet Union to predict its downfall). “

    It ‘s surprising, but these basic indicators of social health do seem to have strong predictive value.

  251. @Kiza

    What does that even mean? I thought you said you weren’t commenting anymore because the comments section is now a cesspool.

    Okay. Fine. I’m sorry to hear you are so angry about this. I hope we can all survive without your valuable contributions.

  252. @Kiza

    I come to Unz for the dankest burns.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  253. Cyrano says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Do you know what’s the difference between Nostradamus and Ignoramus? Nostradamus was able to predict the future, Ignoramus is not capable of predicting even the past, because he has no clue about it. You definitely belong in the 2nd category. Totally clueless.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  254. Thirdeye says:
    @anon

    Yeah, yeah, the revolution was a big Jew conspiracy against Russia. Boring.

    The fact that there were dissidents aristocrats like Nabokov pere and Kropotkin doesn’t change the overall stance of the Russian aristocracy towards the new dynamic classes that they saw as a threat to their power. They wanted the benefits of industrial development without the social changes that it would bring about.

    • Replies: @anon
  255. Erebus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    the large number of “art students” with 24/7 Construction Passes living illegally at the point of impact, for the 4 years prior to the event in said buildings,

    I put a bit finer point on it for ya, Nosey. My pleasure.

  256. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    “Look for the financiers of the prominent Bolshevick revolutionaries, for example, Trotsky.”

    Don’t forget, when looking at Trotsky, to look into close Wilson advisor (very powerful then now ‘forgotten’), Mandell House. When he and his group were stopped by Canada for being professional agitators, M. H. arranged for their liberation. The group proceeded on to Russia. The rest is known.

  257. @anon

    Russian nobility had it’s day but by 20 the century it was overall parasitic class. Catastrophic you are talking about was caused by exactly this nobility with Tsar at the top and what bolsheviks did they saved Russia which effectively was dying. No, with all trends Russia would have never become normal state. It is interesting line of thinking you show which is purely speculative because you hate what bolsheviks represented. However, nothing in Russian history at the time signified Russia turning into anything but western colony. It is where things were heading before bolsheviks took power and proceeded with their vision. Far from being a catastrophe it was divine intervention which was obvious from results. I am far from glorifying peasants but they turned the way they were due to objective conditions created by parasitic classes literally sucking peasants dry for centuries. Russia was suffering never ending famines before bolsheviks. They also were confined to their status. Bolsheviks released all that energy turning backward and poor country into premier superpower. If you check famous Soviet engineers and scientists you will find many from peasant stock. Modern Russia unfortunately does not inspire long term confidence.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @anon
  258. Seraphim says:
    @Thirdeye

    Russia was not losing the war in 1917. The ‘Revolution’ did.

  259. @Cyrano

    How much time did you spend thinking that one up?

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  260. Schmid says:
    @Circular Argument

    Nope!

    The US is the cause of Hitler and WWII and of the bolshevik Revolution and therefore of Stalin and Mao https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton and http://guidopreparata.com/conjuring-hitler/. The US and UK has make this bloody history come true, the atrocity was planed! They wanted to destroy Gemany and prevent cooperation between Russia and Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYnUzB-vX8o. For that they put Hitler to power. Then the US powered the German army (until 1942 !) and let WWII happen. Finaly UK and US destroys Germany: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/14/hellstorm-the-documentary/ Officially the “good guys” has won over the “bad guys”. The “bad guys” have to be eternally thankful for their liberation and have to subjugate themselves as vassals under the legitimate leading power.

    The UK and US’s machiavellic plans are for shure by fare the most criminal in history, such destructive power was never seen before. I don’t think there was ever such an evil Empire in history as the US. After they cause the two wars in Europe, they continue in Korea (killing 20-30% of the population of NK), Vietnam, Afghanistan, Irak (1 Million casualties), Libya, Syria…

    Antony C. Sutton in Chapter 12 of “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler” estimate the number murdered as consequence of the US-politics until 1975 to be 200 Millions. Never ever a nation has sunk this low in criminal acting against humanity.

    • Replies: @Circular Argument
  261. Erebus says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Mao’s cathartic revolution (and rule) in China, breaking a sclerotic Confucian system, paralleled Lenin’s destruction of Russia’s parasitic landed gentry. In both cases, an old, staid, decaying order was burned by revolution – with plenty of blood and iron.
    I’ve had but one good thing to say about either Mao or Lenin. They were both necessary. Neither modern China, nor modern Russia was possible without the horrors both unleashed on their populations in the transition from the 18th, to the 20th centuries.

    Both continue to exhibit a variety of social/cultural dysfunctions, of course, but they’re hardly unique in that. I wonder why you think Russia’s long-term prospects are in doubt. If it’s only Russian elites’ infatuation with Western culture that troubles you, then don’t worry. The West is about a decade away from its own bout with catharsis. A generation or two of Western Cultural Revolution will cure both Russian and Chinese elites of whatever infatuations they have for it.

  262. A Letter to My American Friends

    – (White Russian emigrés and American Jews . . .)

    In the 1970s US census statistics identified “Americans” by their ethnic (language) group: back then, “British” was the largest group; second was German; then came Irish, Italian, French.

    According to wikipedia, today the official categories are racial (Nazee alert):

    White 232,943,055 73.6%
    Black or African American 39,908,095 12.6%
    American Indian and Alaska Native 2,569,170 0.8%
    Asian 16,235,305 5.1%
    Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 546,255 0.2%
    Some other race 14,865,258 4.7%

    It is assumed that “Russian-Americans” – particularly White Russian Americans, are included in “White.”
    It is also assumed that “Jewish” is also included in “White” (which creates a problem for the Soros-payees in BLM whose script requires them to condemn the Trump administration as “all whites” and “white supremacist.” Isn’t that inherently antisemitic?? -but I digress)

    The same wikipedia source also provided some religion statistics (2008 shown) (which is basically useless since “Jewish” means different things according to the way an argument is framed) :

    Source:ARIS 2008

    2008
    Adult population, total 228,182

    Total Christian 173,402 76% of Adults
    Catholic 57,199 25.1%
    Non-Catholic Christian 116,203 50.9%
    Baptist 36,148 15.8%
    Mainline Protestant 29,375 12.9%
    Methodist 11,366 5.0%
    Lutheran 8,674 3.8%
    Presbyterian 4,723 2.1%
    Episcopalian/Anglican 2,405 1.1%
    Christian Generic 32,441 14.2%
    Evangelical/Born Again 2,154 0.9%

    Jewish 2,680 1.2%

    notice there does not seem to be a category for “Eastern Orthodox” or “Russian Orthodox,” which is where one would expect to find many “Russians,” to the extent that white Russians identify religiously as opposed to ethnically/linguistically)

    There are between 6- and 6.4 million Jews in the USA, 1.9% of the US population. The number is contested by those who tabulate Jewish population. Further, it is reasonable to assume that many Jews are of Russian origin.

    Here’s what wikipedia reports about Russian Americans:

    The Russian American population is reported to be 3.13 million [.9% of the total population].
    Many Russian Americans do not speak Russian, having been born in the United States and brought up in English-speaking homes. In 2007, however, Russian was the primary spoken language of 851,174 Americans at home, according to the U.S. Census. According to the Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies at Harvard, 750,000 Russian Americans were ethnic Russians in 1990.

    In other words, Saker’s “Letter to My American Friends” was addressed to 3.8% of the American people.

    Some years ago a friend and I went to a bar that, unbeknownst to me and my female companion, was a gay bar. We were the only heterosexual couple in the place. Let’s say there were 50 people in the bar. My friend and I comprised 3.8% of the population of that establishment. What if the proprietor had solicited only our opinion on programs planned to appeal to the likely patron-demographic of that bar?

    iow, Saker’s analysis FAILS at the outset. It’s based on the same narcissistic, self-referential, self-important logical fallacy as Phil Giraldi describes here http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

    or, in far fewer words: an increasing number of Americans are sick and tired of Jews (and other cut-out identity politics).

    96.2% of American lives MATTER.

  263. @SolontoCroesus

    Excellent rundown on the numbers. The work is much appreciated.

  264. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye

    Dare to mention Stolypin, or he was not aristocratic enough for you?

  265. Heros says:

    A news blast from Sakers Vinyard where it is always 1942 and Nazi’s are always butchering Untermenschen:

    “Later, in the camps of Stalin’s gulag, a Polish woman met hundreds of ‘unhappy, barefoot, half-naked Ukrainians’ who had been sentenced for cannibalism.

    Their children, they told her, had died of hunger; then, driven mad by grief and starvation, the parents had cooked and eaten them. But afterwards, ‘when they came to understand what had happened, they lost their minds’.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4897164/The-forgotten-Holocaust-Ukraine-famine-1932-33.html

    Daily Mail is going way out on a limb and claiming it was “Stalin” who did the Holdomort in their review of Anne Applebaums newest book. Of course there is no mention of the JQ. They are claiming a convenient 4 million victims, comfortably under the crime of all eternity as told in the more than a century
    old “Tales of the Holocaust”.

    • Replies: @anon
  266. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Your enthusiasm, about the USSR’ many achievements, is understandable, and yet you need to study the Russian history prior to the Bolshevik revolution. You should start with the institution of “zemstvo” and proceed with the demographics changes in Russia before the November and February revolutions.
    The policies of Count Witte and Stolypin and the innovations by Shukhov and Tsiolkovsky, as well as the spectacular accomplishments of the Moscow School of Mathematics and the masterpieces of the Russian Silver Age all point towards the obvious: the Russian culture and state were on the rise and the revolutions not just aborted ths development — they clipped the Russian wings.
    It was the potential accumulated during the 19th century and the very beginning of the 20th century that have allowed the country for the slow and painful (if distorted) post-revolutionary recovery.
    Learn the facts, otherwise your opinion strikes as poorly informed if not ignorant.

  267. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros

    The Holodomor is inseparable from the name of Lazar Kaganovitch.
    “Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) … were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine (known as the Holodomor in Ukraine).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
    “On January 13, 2010, Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found Lazar Kaganovich guilty of genocide against Ukrainians for his participation in the 1932-33 Holodomor. … The materials consist of over 250 volumes of archive documents (from within Ukraine as well as from abroad), interviews with witnesses, and expert analysis of several institutes of National Academies of Sciences. Though Kaganovich was pronounced guilty as a criminal, the case was ended immediately following sentence without fanfare or any significant media attention, indicating either Jewish appeasement or more likely Jewish interference.” https://holodomorinfo.com/tag/lazar-kaganovich/

    • Replies: @Heros
  268. Cyrano says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    It bothers you, doesn’t it? How much time did you spent thinking about how much time I spent? That’s the question. I bet you spent more time than me.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  269. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    {Can you please remind us why you expect anyone to take you seriously?}

    I wrote: ” Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.”
    I didn’t write Finland won the war.

    At the outset of the invasion SU possessed more than three times as many soldiers as the Finns, thirty times as many aircraft, and a hundred times as many tanks. The force disparity was overwhelming.

    Yet Finns held the Red Army off for more than 3 months.
    By comparison, France had the same number of troops/divisions as Germany in 1939.
    Better and more tanks.
    Far more artillery guns.
    Yet France folded in less than 3 months.

    Red Army losses were enormous:
    5X-6X times more dead and missing than Finns.
    4X times the WIA than Finns.
    100X times the tanks destroyed than Finns.
    5X-8X times the aircraft lost than Finns.

    It was a bloodbath.

    Eventually the enormous numbers of Red Army overwhelmed the Finnish defenders, but the performance of the Red Army was disastrous.
    Hardly a military that could take on the Wehrmacht in Germany.

  270. Eagle Eye says:
    @Tom Welsh

    When your main battle fleet is attacked and many ships sunk with the loss of thousands of lives, you do not have the option of remaining at peace.

    Could you provide more details of the “main battle fleet” being under attack by Germany? I sincerely don’t know about the naval situation on the Atlantic in December 1941. Also, to what extent were existing tensions due to the fact that the U.S. insisted on providing covert military support to Great Britain (as it had done in WW I)?

    You seem to be saying that the US government secretly plotted to get the USA into the war. So what? If that is what happened, it was only FDR and a handful of his associates who were in the secret. The very fact that he plotted in secret – if he did – is the most powerful proof that the US people and the US government did NOT want to go to war.

    Precisely. It certainly appears to be true that the U.S. population was not keen to go to war. Charles Lindbergh and many others saw the writing on the wall and loudly argued against a pointless (for the U.S.) war.

    None of this is to say that National Socialist Germany and its people did not deserve to be defeated. But what really moved FDR may have been the chance to crank up the ailing economy while conjuring up a smokescreen that not coincidentally would help him stay in office.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Avery
  271. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Is there a reason why the Americans needed to lose blood and treasure just to keep the Germans down? Which is essentially what it boiled down to?

  272. Avery says:
    @Eagle Eye

    {Could you provide more details of the “main battle fleet” being under attack by Germany?}

    US Navy main battle fleet was attacked by Imperial Japan, not Germany.
    After that event US had no choice but to go after Japan.
    It is true that FDR wanted to provoke Japan into attacking US (….embargoes and such).
    But when you draw first blood, you draw first blood.
    And Imperial Japan was no wallflower: they had conquered large chunks of Asia since 1910s; killed and murdered millions; enslaved 10s of 1,000s. Massacres, tortures, conducting experiments on live prisoners (Unit 731)…….

    And Hitler declared war on US a few days after Pearl Harbor.
    What was US supped to do? Say “No, Thank You Adolf” ?

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  273. @Rurik

    I would leave them in peace, but I would also turn off the mass migration to the west pronto, and visit visas would be hard to get.

    To my earlier comment, I’m not so naive to think there are no bad guys, so I’d follow a Trust but Verify approach tempered with Peace through Strength. Probably what TR had in mind with the Speak Softly, but Carry a Big Stick doctrine. To continue with the cliches, Just because we’re the biggest kid doesn’t mean we can’t play nicely with the other kids on the playground.

    • Agree: Rurik
  274. Eagle Eye says:
    @Avery

    US Navy main battle fleet was attacked by Imperial Japan, not Germany.
    After that event US had no choice but to go after Japan.

    There is always a choice. Pearl Harbor was a failure for Japan in that they did not manage to sink or destroy any carriers.

    It is true that FDR wanted to provoke Japan into attacking US (….embargoes and such).
    But when you draw first blood, you draw first blood.

    In terms of propaganda, yes – once you trick the enemy into spilling “your” people’s blood, it’s much easier to launch a nice little (or big) war.

    And Imperial Japan was no wallflower: they had conquered large chunks of Asia since 1910s; killed and murdered millions; enslaved 10s of 1,000s. Massacres, tortures, conducting experiments on live prisoners (Unit 731)…….

    Certainly true, although not quite sure when Unit 731 started operating. Also, while there were indeed massacres on a considerable scale, one should not imagine that the Chinese were above exaggerating what did happen. Truth is the first casualty in any war.

    And Hitler declared war on US a few days after Pearl Harbor.
    What was US supped to do? Say “No, Thank You Adolf” ?

    Again true, but at least from a military perspective, the U.S. could have ignored the declaration of war.

    BOTTOM LINE: FDR wanted a war, entirely for his own purposes – as we seem to agree.

  275. @Avery

    I guess Armenians mean something else by “beaten badly”. I suppose by your criteria the SU was “beaten badly” by Germany? Anyway, how do you know the appropriate level of performance in this situation? The Soviets were fighting excellent soldiers (in WW2 really only the Finns were on par with the Germans), defending their homeland in harsh conditions (do you need a hint why it was called the Winter War?). True, in typical Soviet fashion they threw conscripts into the breech, but as they did later against the Germans they adapted and arguably gained more than their pre-war aims. (Surprised that Team Russia hasn’t chastised you on this.)

    Did the Soviets later that summer have trouble with the Baltics? On annexing Bessarabia from Romania? Were they sufficiently chastened and unsure of their capabilities to refrain from presenting the Germans with ultimatums in Nov 1940, including further demands against Finland? Another hint for you, the answers are “no”. Now, why don’t you go find a Turk to “beat badly”.

    • Replies: @Avery
  276. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    That adds some gravity to the current situation.

    Gravity is just a theory.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  277. @Schmid

    And you think this all started with the U.S. and Britain? It has been going on for centuries. The Spanish and the Dutch and a dozen other nations were planning and executing atrocities since the invention of the sailing ship. In Africa the competing tribes killed and enslaved each other from the time of the spinx builders to this very day. The Huns killed everyone that got in their way for a century or so. Are you so simple minded as to think any of this is going to change because you are outraged at what the yanks and the brits have done lately, on a historical scale. Get a grip bud, humanity is anything but humane. Whining about johnny come lately historical details is of no value to anyone. Historical truth is that the loser in war doesn’t get a vote. And your trying to use the Paul Craig Roberts of the world to justify your ire is a bit pathetic. Roberts and his ilks opinion is no better than any other, no matter how well meaning they might be. They weren’t there and only have the observations of other somewhat informed, or not, individuals to go on; and like you – those folks have their own ax to grind. You certainly weren’t there, making your opinion so much supposition.

    Let me repeat this for you. To date, the U.S. has not murdered tens of millions of it own citizens. I find that remarkable in and of itself. Take it for what it is. It may change tomorrow.

    Now, go have a beer and calm down; you don’t matter any more than I do in this.

    Bill Cleveland

    • Replies: @Schmid
  278. peterAUS says:

    Agree, of course.

    Not so sure about “simple minded” part of:

    Are you so simple minded as to think any of this is going to change because you are outraged at what the yanks and the brits have done lately, on a historical scale.

    It’s mostly “virtue signalling”.
    Some agenda here and there too, with associated fan boys.

    All in all, not much thinking, most of the time.

  279. Since we are airing out all the dirty laundry. Here’s some points you missed.

    Churchill’s “naughty document. He went behind Rosevelts back to do a deal with Stalin to divide up parts of Europe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement

    Churchill’s speech at Fulton Missouri about an iron curtain descending across eastern Europe was about the same time as his comment with regard to Germany “ We butchered the wrong pig.”

    “.We butchered the wrong pig.” – Winston Churchill, The Second World War (Book by Winston Churchill, Bern, 1960) [Amazon]

    Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact
    A aggrement to divide Poland in two half German and half Russian. The Russians attacked Poland the day after Germany. Why didn’t England and France declare war against Russia???? The pact they had with Poland was to come to thier aid if they were attacked.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

    Any one that takes the time to read Stuka Pilot by Hans Ulrich Rudel will see that the Germans complain about the massive allied equipment supplyed to the Soviets. It’s all thru the book. But just one passage on page 93-94. This is at the battle of Kursk.
    “ our advance has been halted all along the front. We have seen to clearly how this has happened: first the landing in Sicly and afterwards the Putsch aginst Mussolini,each time our best divisions have to be withdrawn and speedily transferred to other points in Europe. How often we tell one another during these weeks: the Soviets have only their Western Allies to thank that they continue to exist as a military effective force!”
    For those not familar some background on Rudel.
    Shot down over 24 times, Hans Rudel is credited with destroying over 500 tanks 2,000 ground targets the Russian battleship Marat,two cruisers and a destroyer,and was so successful against Russian forces Stallin put a 100,000 rouble ransom on his head. His flying record of over 2,500 combat missions remains unmatched by any pilot since.
    Side note the aircraft designers of the A-10 warthog were required to read that book.
    There is more I could add, but I think you get the picture.
    Saker, I had two cousins that fought your country in 1939 Finland. I can tell you the hard feelings run deep to this day!
    K. Norberg

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  280. peterAUS says:

    First, Talvisota, Continuation War and Battle of Ilomantsi were impressive feats.
    This

    I can tell you the hard feelings run deep to this day!

    is quite well understood in some parts of Eastern Europe. Quite well indeed.

    But,

    this he Soviets have only their Western Allies to thank that they continue to exist as a military effective force!

    is just not true.
    Just …..not….true.

    As credit is given to Finns for their achievments in Talvisota and summer 1944, the same credit should be given to Soviets.

    This sounds much better, IMHO:
    Soviets have only Nazi policy towards Slavic “untermensch” to thank that they put red banner on Reichstag!

  281. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Some years ago a friend and I went to a bar that, unbeknownst to me and my female companion, was a gay bar. We were the only heterosexual couple in the place. Let’s say there were 50 people in the bar. My friend and I comprised 3.8% of the population of that establishment. What if the proprietor had solicited only our opinion on programs planned to appeal to the likely patron-demographic of that bar?”

    Except it is other than likely the proprietor would implement your suggestions into actions, considering he/she would ascertain your sexual orientation in the process and would ask other patrons to what extent your advice was worthwhile. More importantly, you assume that Jews as a minority group are universally dominating American public policy at the expense of nearly every one, almost every time. Perhaps it is the demographic you belong to are “sick and tired of Jews”.

  282. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Jews planned the incineration of German infants then carried out the project, firebombing 131 German cities, deducting them to rubble then strafing the homeless survivors. 7 million German civilians were rendered homeless.”

    Talk about propaganda. Friedrich clearly labeled the bombing campaign as a “comprehensive extermination strategy” to elicit sympathy for Germans. One city, Hamburg, indeed burned to the ground due to weather and other external factors other than the bombing raids. While 1.5% of the German urban population died in air raids–in a just war mind you–over 40% of British planes who sought to take out German cities were blown out of the sky. The bulk of the deaths stemmed from attrition, as the Allies eventually gained air supremacy and knocked out remaining and important industrial areas–with civilians choosing to work in those factories and live near them–still churning out war goods for the German military.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  283. Mike_MSO says:

    Saker,

    Thank you for the presentation.

    I typically have to endure distorted fragments of this “thesis” from associates to my left. It wasn’t quite as good as Herbert’s presentation of the Ottoman Empire (“Dune”), but it was at least coherent, even for someone like myself who spells Holocaust as Holodomor.

    I guess that every “power” or “empire” seems evil when they are driving tracked fighting vehicles through the garden where you have buried your victims.

    M

  284. Heros says:
    @anon

    Saker loves to bash the “Banderist’s” and “Ukronazi’s” but he conveniently forgets that the descendants of Holodomor survivors might still have a legitimate beef against those Russian nationalists, like Saker, who minimize and gloss over any atrocities committed by the Soviets.

    These Russian nationalists want to have it both ways, on one hand claiming that the Judeo-Bolschevics forced the Russians to commit these crimes and on the other hand blathering on about the great Russian victory in WWII. IMO it is even worse than Americans gloating over their victory in the “good war” while hiding from their war crimes like Dresden, Rhine Meadows Camps, Morgentau plan, etc.

    Saker also seems to conveniently forget that western Ukraine was a part of the Austro-Hungarian empire until 1919, and that the Soviets had invaded Bessarabia (Romania) before Hitler finally decided that the Judeo-Bolschevics had to be stopped. The Chech Republic was also until then Moravia and Bohemia, for centuries part of Germany.

    One big question is: “Did Stalin hate ethnic Russians more than ethnic Germans?” He certainly murdered more Russians than he did Germans, and he didn’t treat them any better. Stalin apologists like Saker just don’t want to acknowledge important historical issues like this and instead insist on constantly screaming “Nazi” the same way blacks scream “Racist”.

    • Replies: @ondrej
    , @peterAUS
    , @Schmid
    , @anon
  285. Schmid says:
    @Circular Argument

    “It has been going on for centuries.” Of course you are right. But the scale are new. Humanity has evolved, at least technically, in terms of knowledge. But when the evolution in terms of humanism, ethic and moral don’t go parallel, it’s very bad and dangerous. What’s important is to see that the US and UK are not these moral nations to rely on. It’s important to see, that’s all propaganda. Without people who trust propaganda, propaganda will not work again. And without effective propaganda, no war. So of course, we should not have illusions. But also no illusion about the “good guys”. There are not, there are much worse than anyone else, because they use the power at any scale, so doing much more harms that would have be possible in centuries before. Going from that point, the world will have much more chance to became a better place than driven by illusions of the “good guys” doing “good things”. Or driven by the fatalist statement, this is nothing new, it was every time like this and will be so in the future so we can’t change this. At least we can take our responsibility to think independently and not to trust propaganda. Peoples have to wake up. And for this we needs people like Sutton, Paul Craig Roberts, the Saker, Daniel Ganser, Seymour Hersh and many others who try to open the eyes.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  286. ondrej says:
    @Heros

    The Chech Republic was also until then Moravia and Bohemia, for centuries part of Germany.

    Czech Lands were not part of Germany..

    According to the Golden Bull of Sicily, the estates of Bohemia and Moravia were an autonomous and undivisible constituent of the Holy Roman Empire. The King of Bohemia was no longer subject to appointment by the Emperor, and was only required to attend Reichstag diets close to the Bohemian border. Although a subject of the Holy Roman Empire, the Bohemian king was to be the premier Prince-elector (Kurfürst) of the Empire and to furnish all subsequent Emperors with a bodyguard of 300 knights when they went to Rome for their coronation. By this act Frederick II also declared that he and the Empire will give the investiture for Bohemia only to a ruler approved by the people of the country.

    When in 1346 King Charles IV united the rule over Bohemia and Germany in his hands, he established the Lands of the Bohemian Crown, which remained beyond the Empire’s suzerainty and were not considered Imperial States.

    In fact at that time parts of nowadays Germany were considered part of Czech Crown… an not other way around

    • Replies: @Heros
  287. @Corvinus

    Corvinus wrote:

    Talk about propaganda. Friedrich clearly labeled the bombing campaign as a “comprehensive extermination strategy” to elicit sympathy for Germans.

    Factually incorrect utterance (nice way of saying goddam lie from a goddam liar).

    In 2003, The Guardian wrote:

    Last week, one of Germany’s most controversial historians, Jörg Friedrich, published a new photo book about the issue. Called Brandstätten, or Fire Sites, it contains some of the most grisly images from the war ever to be published. None of them have been seen before.

    The victims are not Jewish, but German. The charred, mutilated bodies of women, children and babies are all civilians who perished during the allies’ bombing campaign against Germany’s cities.
    In his book, Friedrich argues that the RAF’s relentless campaign against Germany during the final months of the war served no military purpose. Instead, he says that Winston Churchill’s decision to drop more bombs on a shattered Germany between January and May 1945, most of them on small German towns of little strategic value, was a war crime.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/oct/22/worlddispatch.germany

    The bit about “eliciting sympathy for Germans” is especially hateful: the photos have never been seen before; they’ve been hidden for 50 years; even as occupying forces waded through tons of rubble that used to be Germany’s cities and villages; and as US military imprest labor to gather corpses from that rubble, to be burned on mass pyres, “the German victims of British bombing were scarcely mentioned.”

    I was able to purchase a copy of Brandstätten: Der Anblick des Bombenkriegs. It’s in German, and college German was many moons ago, but as the Guardian article states, this is a photo book; 238 pages, most with at least two photos, many with four photos. I suppose I could scan each page and report the number of photos of corpses of infants and children, but I suspect you would still refuse to give credence to such evidence, Corvinus, because it makes you too uncomfortable — see the clip about “motivated reasoning,” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning– “a form of implicit emotion regulation . . . used to mitigate cognitive dissonance . . . in which the brain converges on judgments that minimize negative and maximize positive affect states associated with threat to or attainment of motives” http://www.unz.com/article/why-do-they-hate-the-south-and-its-symbols/#comment-1987607.

    As the Guardian article also states, Friedrich focuses on the British bombing campaign.
    But the Americans also participated heavily and intentionally in the firebombing of German civilians; as I have referenced several times (and will continue to do), US planning for – and implementation of -the incineration of German civilians:
    1. is documented by the US Department of the Interior; http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf

    2. involved numerous Jewish persons and institutions in critical roles of planning and implementation;
    3. began in earnest ~1942 when credible authorities believed Germany had already lost the war — i.e. firebombing served no military function but rather was intended to terrorize the civilian population. Indeed, it was called “morale bombing.”
    4. as the US Department of the Interior document states, targets of firebombing included “young families with infants in cribs.”

    There is far more credible evidence of Allied planning and implementation of war crimes against German civilians than there is of a so-called holocaust of Jews.

    Corvinus wrote:

    While 1.5% of the German urban population died in air raids–in a just war mind you–over 40% of British planes who sought to take out German cities were blown out of the sky.

    Corvinus, is your complaint that British firebombers who were attacking German civilians met resistance from German defense forces? Is that your best argument?

    This is priceless:

    “–in a just war mind you–”

    It’s become more complex to apply Just War theory in a time of high-tech, remote/robotic weaponry and also of ‘democratized’ populations. But one notion remains rock-solid through the ages:

    It would be wrong, on the principle of discrimination, to group the enemy into one targetable mass of people – some can not be responsible for a war or its procedures, notably children. http://www.iep.utm.edu/justwar/

    The United States, with the assistance of “the Jewish architect,” Erich Mendelsohn, and also of Jewish-owned Hollywood studio set designers, were directly knowingly, and willingly instrumental in the planning and implementation of the firebombing of German civilians. That planning included among intended targets “infants in cribs.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Corvinus
  288. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    or, in far fewer words: an increasing number of Americans are sick and tired of Jews

    Really?

    What is not interesting is Ethnocentrism, revealed by every religious group.

    Still, despite the home-team advantage of the Christians in the survey, who made up more than two-thirds of the sample, Jews got the highest overall ratings. A good chunk of the respondents said they don’t even know any Jewish people; only 60 percent said they’d ever met a Jew. These feelings of warmth toward Jews aren’t just fond personal memories of Mrs. Rosenberg from down the street, who makes an excellent kugel; they’re a sign of a broad acceptance and appreciation of Jewish culture. Outside of New York City, Jews are generally rare in terms of numbers. Yet in spite of this, they’ve become seen as normal—and popular—by the population at large.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/07/americans-just-think-jews-are-the-coolest/374530/

  289. @Sam Shama

    Good for you — or rather, good for Jew, Sam; the statistics assure you that you are liked.

    A few years ago Jane Eisner told a J Street audience that Jews are now on the top of the US heap — they’re rich, they hold important positions, etc. And, she said, “People love us! It’s true! Polls say …”

    That made me feel so sad.

    Our grandkids don’t need a poll to let them know that we love them.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  290. peterAUS says:
    @Schmid

    At least we can take our responsibility to think independently and not to trust propaganda. Peoples have to wake up.

    I guess that being realistic (not fatalistic) and rejecting all propaganda (including Saker and his “team”) would help there.

    Waking up has nothing to do with being hammered by different propaganda and that’s exactly what most of “US bad Russia/China good” is all about.

    Including this article.

    • Replies: @Schmid
  291. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Missing Incitatus’ commentary. He hasn’t commented recently, but did he not deal with your infinite loop issue once or twice? Your code should’ve compiled better by now. But no such luck it appears.

    So here is a collection from Incitatus:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/neocon-like-groupthink-dominates-both-conventions/#comment-1523711
    But why not pick Warsaw in August 1944 (150,000 to 200,000 civilians were killed: less than the 70,000-146,000 estimated killed at Hiroshima 6 Aug 1944)? Or reverse the tape. How about Warsaw September 1939 (20,000 – 25,000 civilians were killed by those poor, poor Nazis: about the same number those evil allies -who S2C claims planned the war and pushed St-Adolf into it -killed at Dresden in 1944)?

    Lest one feels too embarrassed by Allied ‘crimes’ against imperial Japan – what about the Japanese at Nanking (40,000-300,000 civilian deaths Dec 1937) or (to exact vengeance after the 18 Apr 1942 Doolittle raid) the Zhejaiang-Jiangxi campaign (May-Sep 1942: 250,000 Chinese civilians killed).

    S2C is a stickler on chronology. But he never mentions the invention of aerial “terror bombing” by those clever (poor victimized) Germans in January 1915. The zeppelins (which made 51 raids and dropped more than 5,000 bombs) augmented long-range “terror shelling” by Krupp monster guns (mostly aimed at Paris).

    S2C cites Jewish architect Eric Mendleson’s participation in weapons effects tests as proof FDR and Churchill conspired to force Germany into war as early as 1937 and planned to unleash “terror bombing” to force the poor innocent Germans into submission. The only problem: the US tests were held in 1943 (two years after St-Adolf declared war on the USA 11 Dec 1941). Six years prior to the US tests Nazi Germany didn’t bother to build a village to test their destructive weapons: they dispatched the Condor Legion to Spain to test-bomb venues like Guernica (killing up to 1650).

    Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ‘40? Nazis used incendiaries. Were Dolf’s fires humane? As many Polish civilians were slaughtered in Warsaw ‘39 as Germans in Dresden ‘45. Any tears for them?

    http://www.unz.com/article/bestselling-revisionist-historian-germany-was-just-a-patsy/?highlight=Dresden#comment-1932910

    Not sure civilian victims in “front-line, hardened [Nazi] targets” felt any better burned or blown death than those in tragic Dresden ‘45. Including the 150,000-200,000 Polish civilians killed in Warsaw Aug-Oct ‘44. Whoops, forgot. That was “legal” since it was a “military objective.”

    http://www.unz.com/article/bestselling-revisionist-historian-germany-was-just-a-patsy/?highlight=Dresden#comment-1933414

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/neocons-as-a-figment-of-imagination/?highlight=Dresden#comment-1815766

  292. peterAUS says:
    @Heros

    Agree.

    Especially with

    minimize and gloss over any atrocities committed by the Soviets.

    These Russian nationalists want to have it both ways, on one hand claiming that the Judeo-Bolschevics forced the Russians to commit these crimes and on the other hand blathering on about the great Russian victory in WWII.

  293. Heros says:
    @ondrej

    “In fact at that time parts of nowadays Germany were considered part of Czech Crown… an not other way around”

    But you don’t include Moravia, and having had numerous Chech friends I always ask which they are, and the Chech’s always know their origins.

    Your argument, as factually true as it may be, doesn’t actually refute the points I was making about Soviet aggression on the eve of WWII.

    The reason I brought up “Chechoslovakia” was because it was a completely artificial entity created out of spite and greed at Versailles and was an entity composed of many regions where even Moravians and Bohemians together were not a majority or even the major ethnic group. Why do you think the Slovaks were so eager to side with Hitler? Because they already wanted out from under the “Chech” oppression of minorities and they were well aware of the ethic cleansing going on of German’s, Hungarian’s, Ruthinian’s and Gypsy’s.

    The real problem is that most of the wars biggest criminals got off the hook by screaming “Nazi” and “Holocaust”.

    • Replies: @ondrej
  294. @Sam Shama

    LOL the Nanking number (40-300K). Talk about precise accounting.

  295. Schmid says:
    @Heros

    First, you miss the fact, that the bolshevik revolution was the work of US-capitalists who wanted war and mutual destruction in Europe – founding Hitler and Stalin.

    Second you miss the fact, that the Soviet Empire don’t exist anymore. Are Germany of today responsible for the crimes of Nazi-Germany? Are Germans of today Nazi if they like their country? But the US-Empire who is guilty of greatest crimes still exist and is a threat to humanity. And this is the point of Saker’s thougts here, and that the most US-citizen are not aware of that fact because not seeing the propaganda as the most German in Nazi-time didn’t see the propaganda and the threat that their country represented to the world. With the speech of Trump to the UN now everybody can understand the threat that the US represented.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  296. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Good or bad is a matter of personal opinion. I merely responded to your assertion that Jews are the most disliked group in the US. On the UR, possibly, but R!=S

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  297. Schmid says:
    @peterAUS

    It’s not about “Russia/China are good”! How good or bad they are is another question. But of course in comparison to the US it’s not difficult to appear as at least decent nation.

    Its about the propaganda, that the US where and are the “good guys” of recent history. The truth is the contrary. That isn’t propaganda as it isn’t propaganda that the US-government and most media lies about 9/11. The US is since more than a century mainly responsible for wars and crimes against humanity on this planet. And it’s going on. That should be stopped. For that you have to recognize the real dangerous firebug. And this isn’t Russia, China, North-Korea, Iran ore any other country.

    Do you know one long lasting diplomatic success of US diplomacy with no breach of promise or dirty trick from side of the US? (It’s an open question, I don’t know the answer but would be interesting). Compare US-diplomacy to Russian diplomacy, for example what they achieve in the conflict with Turkey who shut down one of their warplane. Would the US ever been able to manage this in this way without turning it into a carnage?

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  298. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Guernica ‘37

    What about the women and children in the Alcazar or in Granada? Did they not matter? Could they be bombed with impunity? Are you some sort of “Red Lives Matter” ideologue?

    (This invective is directed at the quotation from our friend the Wonder Horse and is not a reflection on Sam who is more courteous and more intelligent in propria persona).

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  299. Schmid says:
    @Sam Shama

    The crimes of the Nazi can’t compensate the crimes of the US and UK, presented as the “good guys”, “liberator” and so on. And this is much more true, when it is clear, that Nazi-Germany was founded by US-Oligarchs and the purpose of all this crimes was to destroy Germany, separate West-Europe from Russia and make West- Europe an US-vassal (eternal thankful to US for his liberation…). The crimes of the US-elites are without comparison.

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  300. peterAUS says:
    @Schmid

    Good post.
    As an example.

    I am positive that you are not even aware how counterproductive this post, actually, is to your agenda.

    As most of the article.

    For Anglo-haters and Rusophiles it is a good online therapy.
    Works well as “click-bait” too.

    But, otherwise…….just counterproductive.

    East-German, perhaps?
    That would explain some of it, I guess.

    I mean, citizens of US/West are under, say, “neocon” propaganda for sure.
    But, trying to wake them up to realities of this world using “Russian” propaganda is just counterproductive.

    Your main mistake is, you guys don’t even see it, let alone get it.

    It’s so bad that, often, can make one wonder what your real agenda is.

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  301. ondrej says:
    @Heros

    Well, that artificial state has historical statehood and borders longer than many European states. At least speaking of lands belonging to Czech crown (Czechia, Moravia and Silezia) to be exact – and always difficult to correctly translate to english.

    And I yes nearly all my ancestors coming from Moravia – but I consider myself as many of them (and many current citizens of Slovakia and Czechia) as Czechoslovak.

    Do not bring that stupid Runciman argument again about German regions in Czechoslovakia back again – there are still many who remember how it ended.

  302. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    white evangelicals-Jews: 69 :)

    But Jews don’t return the love: Jews-white evangelical: 34 (lowest ranking given by Jews) :(

    It is an interesting chart. If I read it correctly, Jews view themselves with the most favor, 89, (which pumped their overall) followed by evangelicals 82, atheists 82 and Catholics 80.

    Too bad there was no philosophical Christian row.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  303. peterAUS says:
    @Schmid

    It’s not about “Russia/China are good”!

    It does appear that way.

    How good or bad they are is another question.

    Is it important question?

    But of course in comparison to the US it’s not difficult to appear as at least decent nation.

    Interesting argument.
    “Your honor, I am a decent person.
    I raped only two women and cut their throat later on.
    HE….HE….he raped five and murdered all of them. And he used both knife and a hammer.”
    That type of decent?

    How about we flip a bit, just as an exercise:

    Its about the propaganda, that the Russia where and are the “good guys” of recent history.
    The truth is the contrary. That isn’t propaganda as it isn’t propaganda that the Russia-government and most media lies about Soviet war crimes. The Russia is since more than a century mainly responsible for wars and crimes against humanity in areas controlled by Soviet Union. And it’s going on on some parts. That should be stopped.

    Sounds about right?

    Do you know one long lasting diplomatic success of US diplomacy with no breach of promise or dirty trick from side of the US? (It’s an open question, I don’t know the answer but would be interesting).

    Yeah….and Russians, since 1917 have been paragon of diplomacy.
    Like ’56, ’68, ’79, attempts in Baltics just before breakup of Soviet Union……

    Compare US-diplomacy to Russian diplomacy, for example what they achieve in the conflict with Turkey who shut down one of their warplane. Would the US ever been able to manage this in this way without turning it into a carnage?

    Glad you mentioned it.
    You see that as diplomacy.
    I see that as weakness.

    • Replies: @Schmid
  304. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    A good chunk of the respondents said they don’t even know any Jewish people

    I wonder if this is influencing the ratings… ( :) )

    /sarc

    • LOL: iffen
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  305. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Jews-Jews: 89 chutzpah? :)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  306. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Jews giving 58% approval to Catholics?!? I don’t believe it for a second.

  307. @Sam Shama

    I merely responded to your assertion that Jews are the most disliked group in the US.

    If that’s what you responded to, you are talking to yourself — reverse cognitive projection??

    What S2C said is that:

    an increasing number of Americans are sick and tired of Jews (and other cut-out identity politics).

    which bears scant relationship to what the voices in your head induced your fingers to type.

    But since we’re having this conversation: How much has Israel, in addition to vast number of Jewish organizations, spent to convince “80%” of this group and “82%” of that group that “Jews are cool?”

    How much of that money came from US taxpayers?

    And hasn’t your average 14-year old figured out that it is pathetic to pay off someone to “like” you, and that it’s not so much pathetic but downright disgusting to tells lies about your group.

    Finally, what other group engages in such behavior? Is there a poll showing how many Americans like Polish people? Or Finns? Who is the Icelandic Frank Luntz or the Spielvogel who creates a turn-around campaign for Yemen?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  308. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Jews on White Evangelicals definitely does not sound right, given Jews->Catholics. I’d say Jews->Evangelicals should be more or less Evangelicals->Jews.

    Jews ->Jews is excessively high. I don’t believe it for a second. More like 40.

  309. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    [A good chunk of the respondents said they don’t even know any Jewish people

    I wonder if this is influencing the ratings…]

    thank G’d :)

  310. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Jew->Jews 89 is only for public consumption protocol :)

  311. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Are you joking? No one would like you if you didn’t give them something. Ingrained human instinct. I always bribe my antagonists into submission. Friends and family require vastly greater greasing.

  312. Sam Shama says:
    @Schmid

    [Nazi-Germany was founded by US-Oligarchs and the purpose of all this crimes was to destroy Germany, separate West-Europe from Russia]

    You are right of course. It was more. Dolf was FDR’s cousin thrice removed – FDR did not especially like him, and, quite contrary to the offing-in-the-basement story, the erstwhile Fuehrer was spirited away to England where he lived a long and quiet life, fathered a son [with an Indian lady]. The son who later took the name, Freddie Mercury was a talented singer and songwriter and died early in life.

    https://www.pinterest.com/Harrietka555/freddie-mercury/

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  313. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    [in propria persona]

    Hahaaaaa, that is, with the proper application to a bottle as well. Appreciate the kind words.

  314. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros

    “…the descendants of Holodomor survivors might still have a legitimate beef against Russian nationalists…”
    1. Hope you do not celebrate Ukrainian neo-Nazis and their parades in Kiev and Lvov. Don’t you?
    2. The WWII was won by the Soviets; check how many different ethnicities used to belong to the category “Soviets.” Those people who march on the Day of Victory with the portraits of their fallen relatives belong to various ethnic groups.
    3. As for the former Romanian and Hungarian parts of Ukraine, you should direct your grievances to the Ukrainian nationalists.
    4. And one more time, specifically for you (re “Russian nationalists”): “On January 13, 2010, Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found Lazar Kaganovich guilty of genocide against Ukrainians for his participation in the 1932-33 Holodomor. … The materials consist of over 250 volumes of archive documents (from within Ukraine as well as from abroad), interviews with witnesses, and expert analysis of several institutes of National Academies of Sciences.” https://holodomorinfo.com/tag/lazar-kaganovich/

    Do you understand that any country includes both decent people and scoundrels? Do you have any idea why people cherish certian memories? Here is a word for your to ponder – “dignity.”
    It seems that your family lacks any memories of valiant relatives, otherwise, how one could explain your childish rant about the WWII?

  315. @K. Norberg

    Thanks for the recommendation! Found a copy of ‘Stuka Pilot’ available at my local library today. It is excellent.

    The air-war on the Eastern Front is usually glossed over in accounts of the war. This is quite an illuminating book.

  316. Dan Hayes says:
    @Avery

    Avery:

    The German General Staff estimated that the Finns were the best soldiers in WW II.

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  317. Schmid says:
    @Sam Shama

    My sentence is based on the work of Antony C. Sutton. He was a scientific historian and just rely on facts he could found, no speculations and wired theory. But there is not only Sutton who came to such results.

  318. Schmid says:
    @peterAUS

    “It does appear that way.”

    For someone who want not to understand, what is said and for that ad something is not said to the text so his reality isn’t endangered.

    ““Your honor, I am a decent person.
    I raped only two women and cut their throat later on.
    HE….HE….he raped five and murdered all of them. And he used both knife and a hammer.”
    That type of decent?”

    You missed the point. The US and UK founds the criminals who commits the crimes, like hiring a serial killer. Both are criminals, the one who hire the killer and the killer. But without hiring the killer, there would be no killing. The US and GB are the cause of the crimes, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and so one are the consequences. A very few US- and GB- peoples are the criminal masterminds behind all this and as that the most evil people in history. It’s about to recognize that to be aware of such things not to fall again and again in the trap of their propaganda. It’s not about normal criminal behavior of some individuals in a otherwise healthy society.

    “How about we flip a bit, just as an exercise:”
    The Soviets are gone. And about Russia, just find the source for your affirmation as I quote the source of mine. For the case you missed it: https://www.thenation.com/article/does-putin-really-want-to-destabilize-the-west/

    We should be aware of propaganda of people who wants war!

    “You see that as diplomacy.
    I see that as weakness.”
    What would have Jesus done? Are the west a christian civilization ore a barbaric civilization relying on the principles of the old testament?

  319. Schmid says:
    @peterAUS

    “using “Russian” propaganda”…

    Is Sutton a Russian propagandist?

    The problem is, that for some people when the truth is what you also can read on Russian channels, it can’t be the truth, it’s automatically Russian propaganda. Because some people can’t imagine that the Russian media don’t lie as much as the US. Of course I’m very critical to all sources. So for you, the truth can’t be what the Russian side is telling or what put them in a better light than the US… Intellectually problematic point of view.

    I have no other agenda then looking for the truth with intellectual strength. And it’s not about bashing anyone ore hate anyone, it’s all about understanding to do better and not to be on the wrong side (on the side of the propaganda of the really bad guys).

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    , @RadicalCenter
  320. @Dan Hayes

    Yes. And there’s no evidence that Soviet performance in the Winter War played any kind of major role in the German decision to attack.

  321. Joe Wong says:
    @Thirdeye

    You meant the perpetrators even planted evidence for credible denial when they blew up the twin towers in 9/11? The perpetrators must be very disappointed that no one is fallible to pick up their cue, so they need you to draw out their smartness for the dumb world to see?

  322. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Factually incorrect utterance (nice way of saying goddam lie from a goddam liar).”

    No, what I stated was the stark truth.

    “The bit about “eliciting sympathy for Germans” is especially hateful…”

    There was a war. People died. Both sides committed heinous acts. The German people clearly understood the consequences of their decision to support Hitler. They are hardly “innocent”. If the parents loved their children, and realized that Germany was on the brink of impending doom, rise up overthrow Hitler, and surrender. They choose to fight. Admirable and noble. But with that decision came death to themselves and their loved ones.

    “But the Americans also participated heavily and intentionally in the firebombing of German civilians; as I have referenced several times (and will continue to do), US planning for – and implementation of -the incineration of German civilians”.

    With those civilians living and working near several key industrial areas which continued to churn out goods for the German war machine.

    “involved numerous Jewish persons and institutions in critical roles of planning and implementation”

    You mean numerous Americans played a role. But, in your mind, Jews ruin everything.

    “3. began in earnest ~1942 when credible authorities believed Germany had already lost the war — i.e. firebombing served no military function but rather was intended to terrorize the civilian population. Indeed, it was called “morale bombing.””

    We have the benefit of hindsight. Germany continued to fight. They had not “lost” the war in the minds of its leadership and its military were remained committed to exterminating Jews and battling the Allied Powers.

    “4. as the US Department of the Interior document states, targets of firebombing included “young families with infants in cribs.”

    Horrific, indeed. But in a Just War, people are killed.

    “There is far more credible evidence of Allied planning and implementation of war crimes against German civilians than there is of a so-called holocaust of Jews.”

    Thank your very much for your opinion on this matter.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  323. PeterAUS

    I want say this up front. It is important to remember that while the allies provided a lot of supplies, the soviets provided most of the bodies (about 10 million military casualties). Its men and material that win wars!!!

    Because of the onset of the cold war so closely at the end of WWII a lot of facts were sent to the dust bin of history. The following info can be checked on from a number of sources.

    First the British informed the Soviet Union on German plans by the use of there code breakers at Bletchley Park.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bletchley_Park

    Lend-Lease provided the soviets with 400,000 jeeps, 12,000 armoured vehicles, 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food (wiki) through three corridors. The arctic convoy, the pacific convoy, and the Persian convoy routes. It’s estimated that 27% of the supplies came through the Persian route, which could sustain 60 front line divisions (http://www.history.army.mil/book…). Doing some simple calculations, we see that all supplies provided by the US could sustain 222 divisions of the Soviet Union over the four years of lend-lease.

    By comparison, by late 1941 the soviets fielded 401 divisions (wiki). By the end of the war, there were 550 divisions (Mark L Urban, Soviet Land Power). So, lend-lease could have supplied between 40-55% of soviet forces at varying times in the war. Of course, not all the supplies were used for active forces, and a significant portion of food was diverted to relieve the siege of Leningrad (today St. Petersburg).

    Still the huge tonnage of supplies sustained the massive soviet war effort and did play a substantial role in pushing back the Germans. Many of the vehicles were repurposed by the soviets as katusha missile launchers and transports for their forces streaming west.

    According to the Wikipedia (Operation Barbarossa):
    Joseph Stalin, during the Tehran Conference in 1943, acknowledged publicly the importance of American efforts during a dinner at the conference: “Without American production the United Nations [the Allies] could never have won the war.”[21][22]
    The most impactful help the Allies offered in WWII to the USSR from 1941 consisted of economic and military aid (such as US Lend-Lease that started in October 1941), followed by the ability to tie down some number of German and Italian divisions and weapons in Western Europe and North Africa. Half of Soviet agriculture was gone before harvest time in 1941. With much of Soviet industry destroyed by November 1941, or being shipped East in containers on slow trains, the Soviet economy would have likely collapsed without urgent help. While this was acknowledged by Stalin, this was not disclosed in Soviet media at the time, and not emphasized in Soviet history books. However, the total amount (about $100B in todays dollars, from the US alone) is significant. Soviet literature and movies from the time often mention American trucks, ham, and other aid.
    The timeline is important. US aid before October 1941 is categorized as pre-Lend-Lease. Lend-Lease quickly ramped up in Fall-Winter 1941.
    Also helpful was the strategic bombing of Romanian oil fields and German production facilities. Starting from 1943, Germany was running short of weapons and ammunition, whereas the USSR received an increasing amount of vehicles, airplanes, food and other resources from the USA. Heard of the famous Katyusha rocket launchers? Most were installed on US-supplied light Studebaker truck chassis. Around 400,000 medium transport trucks was supplied by the US, along with warships and warplanes. When you enjoy a sizeable resource advantage, the nature of the war changes – the enemy’s mistakes get exploited, and yours are often forgiven.
    The Normandy landings in 1944 were a huge help, but by that time Germany was already losing the war. Finishing the war sooner was a matter of not wasting the lives of millions of Soviet soldiers. Would your Russian friend dismiss that?

    When the first aid programme was finally settled in October 1941, Maxim Litvinov, by then ambassador to Washington, leaped to his feet and shouted out, ‘Now we shall win the war!’ [citation] Yet after 1945 Lend-Lease was treated int he official Soviet histories of the war as a minor factor in the revival of Soviet fortunes. The story of Lend-Lease became a victim of the Cold War. Even in the late 1980s it was still a subject of which the regime would not permit open discussion. The significance of Western supplies for the Soviet war effort was admitted by Khrushchev in the taped interviews used for his memoirs, but the following passage was published only in the 1990s: ‘Several times I heard Stalin acknowledged [Lend-Lease] within the small circle of people around him. He said that… if we had had to deal with Germany one-to-one we would not have been able to cope because we lost so much of our industry.’ Marshal Zhukov, in a bugged conversation in 1963 whose contents were released only thirty years later, endorsed the view that without aid the Soviet Union ‘could not have continued the war.’ All of this was a far cry from the official history of the Great Patriotic War, which concluded that Lend-Lease was ‘in no way meaningful’ and had ‘no decisive influence’ on the outcome of the war. [citation]
    Sorce

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-the-United-States-supplying-the-Soviet-Union-help-the-Soviets-win-in-World-War-II

    Ken

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  324. @Corvinus

    you seem incapable of making honest assessments of information.

    Infants were targeted.
    I quoted a contemporary analysis of Just War theory: in a just war, targeting children is a criminal act.

    Moreover, you are responding in exactly the way I predicted you would.

    begone Satan

  325. peterAUS says:
    @K. Norberg

    Well….agree with your post, but still strongly believe that the major factor in Soviet performance against Axis was quality and quantity of men, their moral first and foremost.

    And that moral was, most of the time, direct result of Nazi Germany policy towards Slavic peoples.

    If Germans had treated Slavic peoples there as, say, Danes, who knows how all that story would’ve unraveled.

    But, then, we ARE talking about Nazi regime here.

    BTW, it’s good you posted all that data for people to see, but, well, I saw all that as part of my studies (both in schools and later in service).
    Speaking of which, it’s obvious how much sacrifice Soviet peoples did.
    But, interestingly enough, sacrifice of Arctic convoys is often glosses over (especially in “East”).

    Bad, bad Anglos….Brits in particular…..Royal Navy etc.

    Anyway….

  326. peterAUS says:
    @Schmid

    O.K.
    Let’s assume, for the moment, that you:
    -haven’t got an agenda here (“Moscow line” etc.)
    -you aren’t a fanboy (need to “belong”….)
    -not a troll
    -and not a general “West hater”

    When you say

    I have no other agenda then looking for the truth with intellectual strength.

    looking at:

    The US and GB are the cause of the crimes, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and so one are the consequences

    that’s not encouraging to say the least, but, let’s skip that for the moment. Intellectual strength that is.

    Anyway.

    Taking into account:

    The Soviets are gone (when we have to say some bad things about Russia/Russians from that period)

    with

    But the US-Empire who is guilty of greatest crimes still exists and is a threat to humanity.

    your position appears to be that we can’t predict future behavior of the regime in Moscow based on looking at behavior of all those previous regimes in Moscow (from Czars onward)?

    Yeah.

    Could’ve fooled some people.
    Especially those from the list I posted before in the post 2. here.

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  327. PeterAUS

    I agree that it boiled down to your army is only as good as the trigger pullers. You are well versed in this history. I would like to recommend a good read if you haven’t seen this book. I have a 1973 hard back copy I got many years ago.
    Hitlers secret conversations 1941-1944 also known as table talk.
    Some of it is boring, but if you know your history it’s a gold mine of insight into the era.
    You said you were in the service. If you don’t mind what branch? I was Airborne Infantry 1971-1973
    Ken

  328. peterAUS says:

    Well…

    I agree that it boiled down to your army is only as good as the trigger pullers.

    I’d think it’s a bit more complicated than that.
    I’d say it’s complete society in a country engaged in war.

    From a laborer in factory, through a public servant to top political leadership….to senior military leadership to a guy crawling in mud.
    That’s why Japan and Germany, and some other nations, could have mighty military tomorrow if they want (or, well, if they are allowed to have by the victors of WW2).
    And why most of African countries can’t and never will. Etc.

    As for

    If you don’t mind what branch?

    I definitely do mind.

    If/when you have time take a look at Eagle Eye posts here. He wrote something about protecting own privacy on the Internet.
    When people write in sites like this, if they are not careful, in, say, 3 months, a competent analyst could pinpoint the name/address.
    Just bit by bit…slip here….note there….angry remark here…and there you go.

    Now, with our lives already under pressure by PC brigade, we don’t really need to give them more ammo to really f*&k us up.
    Just a thought.

    As for military thing, well, I know some things here and there.
    Always happy to talk about those topics, of course.
    Preferably with similar types.
    The problem I’ve seen with “talking” about military, the people who talk the most have, most of the time, very little real life experience.
    And true warriors can’t write well, most of the time.

    So, intellectuals/scholars have all the data, just don’t get the “vibe”.
    Warriors know the “vibe” only too well, just can’t write it down/speak up.

    Conundrum, a?

  329. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    You are posting liberally claims that anyone not agreeing with your position (which is apparently pro-neocon) is a Kremlin agent. Perhaps you are trying to fool yourself.

    Here is interesting information about the resurrected monastery in Moscow, which is “devoted to the New Martyrs – those thousands of Christians murdered by communists following the 1917 revolution:” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-21/spanish-police-mount-force-16000-catalan-port-raid-government-offices-tensions-mount

  330. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “you seem incapable of making honest assessments of information.”

    There was a war. People died. Both sides committed heinous acts. Just War is just to those who are fight it and justify the means by which to win. Anything goes in war. That is the brutality of man. “Gentlemen” rules based on religious principles are wonderful in theory, but impractical in real time. Ask any parent to choose–their son/daughter or the son/daughter of their enemy. Easy decision to make. Mothers and fathers demand that their nation use whatever means at their disposal to win. They also realize the costs involved–the country they are fighting will also employ similar barbaric measures. In both cases, families inevitably put their own children in harm’s way to be obliterated. The obvious solution would be to demand peace. However, emotions get ramped up, and blood must be spilled. Indeed, the hate of the Anglo-Saxon personified.

    “I quoted a contemporary analysis of Just War theory: in a just war, targeting children is a criminal act.”

    Indeed, German leadership directly responsible for the jackbooting of Jewish infants. Regardless of that “minor” detail, the thought process by every nation in a war is to cause a government’s collapse by undermining public support through absolute demoralization. In this case, the targeted bombing of German industrial centers by the Allied Powers, which were purposely located near urban areas, would certainly facilitate this obliteration. Invariably, German infants would be collateral damage, and the hope would be that their mothers and fathers would call for the laying down of arms by their leaders. Had German mothers and fathers been that concerned for the well-being of their own children, they would have realized the tragic cost of war, led a rebellion, and laid down their arms.

    Now, of course it is absolutely repugnant that babies die in war, but the belief on BOTH sides was to save their own people from destruction; thus, each engaged in actions deemed to be just in order to preserve their civilization from a tyrannical and immoral “enemy”. In end, morality and war do not mix.

  331. @iffen

    Ah, understood.

    I actually don’t blame the Saker for living outside Russia, nor for maintaining loyalty to Russia and the Russian people as he does so. But yeah, he is so “in the tank” for anything Russia does that he undermines his credibility.

    With the Saker as with RT, I generally follow the rule of thumb that they are largely accurate when talking about the deception and warmongering of the USA and the west;

    they are somewhat less accurate and objective when speaking of Russian domestic affairs, but still a valuable perspective that we wouldn’t otherwise hear;

    and they are themselves ill-informed propagandists when it comes to aspects of American domestic affairs (such as their reflexively taking the side of African-”Americans”, whom they would find it impossible to live with safely and peacefully and whom they would crack down on harder than we do if they had to try and run a society infected with tens of millions of them).

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  332. @Brawndo

    Yep. I wholeheartedly share the Saker’s distrust of and resentment towards the US government, but I cannot abide his undiscerning anti-Americanism.

    I am proud to be an American and I would put our FORMER culture and nation up against anyone in history for fundamental decency, prosperity, productivity, safety, and a chance for the average guy. But that former USA is deteriorating culturally, demographically, spiritually, and economically, under a steady concerted attack, and it is not Russia doing the attacking.

  333. @Anonymous

    Like the Chinese “mostly left the” Uighurs alone “except for economics”?

    Like the Chinese “mostly left the” Tibetans alone “except for economics”?

    A China unchecked by a strong, cohesive, determined USA and Russia – preferably both working together – is a terrifying prospect. Of course, I will readily admit that the us government has been dishonest and unreliable even as a wary partner, let alone an ally, of Russia, and that “my” government has relentlessly encircled Russia, lied to Russia, lied about Russia, and thus driven them into the arms of the Chinese. That was avoidable and must be reversed as soon as possible.

    Russia and the USA need each other in the struggle to deter and contain China, and in the civilizational battle against the evil of Islam.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  334. @anonymous

    Well said, sir. I have come to have respect, appreciation, and even admiration for the russians despite being raised in the Cold War era, and the fact that they choose a different system of government than our former system is no threat or offense to me.

    But the Soviet Union or communism? HELL NO.

    The USSR was just as evil and menacing as I was taught, but the US government has grown into much the same kind of cruel leviathan. Moreover, the USSR wasn’t nearly as Russian as I had been taught and assumed, judging from the prevalence of nonRussians in the revolution and long thereafter, and from the great cruelty and harm that the USSR inflicted on the Russian people.

    God bless Americans and our cousins the Russians. I continue to pray for less belligerence and lying by the government I once thought of as mine, and mir and profitable trade, tourism, and cultural exchange between our peoples.

  335. @Daniel Chieh

    Stop talking like a black, it sounds ridiculous.

    And when you talk of quote burning and quote dank, I think of something a lot more fun than insults.

  336. @Schmid

    I want my people, culture, language, and civilization to survive and thrive long after I’m gone. To the extent that Christianity or any their philosophy, properly understood, is inconsistent with that overriding goal, we shouldn’t follow it.

    Fortunately, what was said of the US Constitution may be said of Christianity as well. It’s not a suicide pact.

  337. @Schmid

    I hope you’re not saying that it was some admirable Christian peacefulness that caused Russia to refrain from attacking Turkey in retaliation for that incident. That would be embarrassing.

    It may have been wise, for Russia to proceed with such restraint, or not. But Christianity had little to do with it.

    If Russia could destroy or conquer turkey at a low and acceptable cost, in retaliation or just in selfinterested expansion to gain land and resources, it probably would, and Russia is no worse than other countries in that regard.

    • Replies: @schmid
  338. schmid says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “I hope you’re not saying that it was some admirable Christian peacefulness that caused Russia to refrain from attacking Turkey in retaliation for that incident.”

    Exactly, I didn’t say this. It’s just about: the reaction of Russia remembers of what Jesus has done when he was offended. Anything else would be speculation without fact. As is your sentence “But Christianity had little to do with it.” I suppose. Or do you know, what Putin and his advisers where thinking and feeling? I don’t know but I suspect (on the ground of different facts) that Putin has some affinity to orthodox Christianity and take it seriously.

    Fact is, that Russia and Putin since 2011 reacts wisely avoiding a great carnage to all provocations coming from the west.

    Of course, what is with Syria? Russia did intervene with military action. But the alternative would have been a victory of the Islamist, much more casualties in Syria, much more refugee, chaos for years with the danger that this spread to Russia and Iran (as it was probably intended by the Assad-must-gone coalition). The intervention in Syria prevents approximately 15 millions of peoples to be raided by US-supported Islamist.

    When an action is wise, it’s also good for the one who commit it and is congruent to christian (universal moral and ethic) values. And it can include military action and use of violence when this surely prevent worse.

    PS.: I see also good things the US have brought to the world (democracy, freedom of speech in some country), they also have make wise decisions – it’s not black and white. But – and this one is huge – there was and still is also a huge amount of decisions based on quite endless greed for power and money, see the foundation of the FED, the imposition of the Dollar as world currency (ousting John Maynard Keynes genius plan of the Bancor), see John Perkins “Confession of an economic hit man”, see the suppression of technologies (Royal Rifle), see how Bush sen. helps the interests of Monsanto and so one – the list could be endless. I don’t see so much, so deeply amoral and evil motivated greed in other nations.

    • Replies: @schmid
    , @RadicalCenter
  339. iffen says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Good comment.

    I can tolerate his criticism of America, but I think that it’s tacky when he says he loves America and it’s obvious that the thing he loves the most is the freedom to tear in to it. Needless to say, I would love for him to try this in Mother Russia.

  340. schmid says:
    @schmid

    P.S. to complete the list with important or less important points: see the overthrow of democratic government by CIA (Chile, Iran and especially Syria : http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601), see the assassination of JFK, the Operation Northwood (which luckily could be stopped) and the role of the CIA. See the relation between Saudi-Arabia and the US, see the founding of Islamist in Afghanistan and Chechnya (little known fact), see the clandestine prisons of the CIA and so on.

    How ridiculous is on all this background “Russlandgate”? Or the critics against Russia and Putin? Its clearly propaganda again from the same evil peoples who since one century want’s to be the only kings of the world – at any costs.

  341. @iffen

    You’re thinking of the force, which is observable and therefore real, though how it works is theoretical. He’s thinking of the Roman virtue of gravitas, or seriousness.

    • Replies: @iffen
  342. iffen says:
    @The Alarmist

    I was trying to get at gravitas.

    The idea that bringing it to bear will result in better decisions is wishful thinking; hit or miss at best.

  343. @Boris Kazlov

    Wasn’t Building 7 housing the records of the Enron investigation?

  344. @jacques sheete

    You raise a very good point – looking at how USA’s “too big to fail” bankers have gamed the system to concentrate even more power in their mistake-prone hands.

    Dodd-Frank is killing small banks, apparently by design.
    Not to mention most wars are banker’s wars.

  345. @anonymous

    ” … of your kind …”

    The ruling class that drive mass-migration is a small number, operating without approval. In fact, consciously acting against the expressed will of most White people.
    Your comment is nonsense.

  346. The Saker proves his own thesis: he never questions the (anti-USA) propaganda he was brought up with in Russia. His juvenile piece is a garbage heap of ancient Pravda themes and other hard-left tripe which even Khrushchev might have laughed at when sober.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @RadicalCenter
  347. anarchyst says:

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build
    “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, recreational, medical and other ancillary facilities. Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this
    trouble? The jewish communist Bolsheviks did just that with the non-communist civilian populations of the conquered countries in the communist orbit.
    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish“holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with theNazis in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.
    The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a strange land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .
    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into
    jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident.
    The truth about this minor event in human history will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.
    It is curious to note that jewish interests will hunt down and imprison a 90 plus year-old German “camp guard” while looking the other way when their “own kind” was involved in truly brutal actions. Camp “capos” and “sonderkommandos” (who were primarily jewish) come to mind. Not one of these jewish “collaborators” has been brought to justice. Iguess blood is thicker than water. For truly brutal jewish butchers, look up Bela Kuhn and Kaganovich…
    A good example of present-day censorship isthe fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust”orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. A 79-year-old German grandmother is incarcerated for questioning the “holocaust ™”.
    Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .
    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was
    necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .
    Many jews will never be satisfied with knowing that those that commit evil deeds on earth in this lifetime will pay
    for it in the next life . . . they have taken vengeance from the Creator and appointed themselves the exacter of vengeance (in contradiction to mosaic law but not their anti-gentile talmud).
    Many jews are vengeful people that will never pass up a chance to “make a buck” by screwing a gentile (goyim) out of money or property. jews were hated in Germany for taking advantage of the non-jew Germans between the two world wars. The average German did not have a pot to piss in while his wealthy jewish neighbor was trading food for land . . . taking advantage of the jewish bankster situation in Germany.
    Look at the “commercialization” of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.
    Since “world jewry” (Judea) declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), Germany had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland” – Israel.
    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland” for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). In fact, the International Red Cross had access to all of the camps and not once mentioned or noticed any “gas chambers”…
    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”.
    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing.
    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license” – a law which had never been used before or since. . .
    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes.
    The engineering inconsistencies proves that these “death camps” were recreated for communist propaganda purposes. Germans were excellent engineers, and as such, would not have made the engineering “mistakes” that are evident.
    Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. However, the prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic
    levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.
    When the Germans fled the camps, in advance of the allies, the camp occupants chose to go with the Germans rather than with the oncoming Soviet troops. THAT is telling…
    After the end of WW2, German civilians were interned. These German civilians were subject to much greater deprivation and suffering than the “occupants” of the “camps”. In fact, jews were controlling these camps, at the
    behest of the Allied forces, and were vicious in their treatment of those interned. In fact, the German civilians interned were defined as “disarmed enemy combatants” despite being civilians, so that Geneva Convention rules would not apply to them.
    In fact, it was JEWS that ran the internment camps after WW2. I guess vengeance was theirs, as the Germans made the jews WORK (manual labor in the camps) for the first time in their lives…

  348. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @The True and Original David

    Yes, Saker is extremely unpleasant for Israel-firsters. Again, what ethnicity was prevailing among the Bolsheviks? Though the Russians’ main sin today is, of course, the stopping the radical jihadists in Syria and thus the depriving the little supremacist state of the Golan Heights’ (Syrian) oilfields.
    Saker criticizes ZUSA – the Ziocon-captured USA. The same criticism has been coming from some of the best and most valiant persons in the US. The scoundrels, of course, run for cover of “patriotism,” whether the scoundrel in quesion is Mr. Kristol or Mrs. Judy Miller. The Kagans’ clan, as always, knows better than anybody else what Americans (and others) need. Look at the amazing conseqiences of Kagans’ exploits in Ukraine: http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/saakashvilis-ploys-are-only-tip-of.html

  349. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    { Now, why don’t you go find a Turk to “beat badly”.}

    Obviously a bovine brain is incapable of understanding the concept of ‘ beaten badly’ in relevant context and circumstance.

    Now, why don’t you retire to your cozy barn, and have your evening meal of nutritious hay. If you stay out too long and make trouble, you might become a (USDA) prime candidate for tomorrow’s trip to the abattoir.

    • LOL: Cyrano
  350. @anon

    I had to laugh when you implied that I’m an Israel-Firster. You haven’t read my other comments at Unz.

    What has Israel to do with the “poly-genocide” of “Native Americans”? Aren’t you really saying the Israelis caught their (undeniable) genocide bug from the US? Which is a Pravda trope.

    Another is the (allegedly) unique and atrocious crime against humanity known as America’s legacy of black slavery. That one is always produced as a would-be trump card by left-wing loons. (Every society in history had slaves. The British and US put a legal end to slavery. But not according to Pravda.)

    But the bigger point is that this type of junky Soviet propaganda implies that the US inspired and corrupted Israel, not the other way around.

    It’s merely solid anti-Americanism, and of the most laughable kind – vulgar Chomskyism. Thus my apt figure of Nikita laughing up his sleeve.

    There are good critiques (including some by Noam) of America’s geopolitical sins, but Saker is tenth-rate on that score, like someone going through the motions for money. I don’t mean to sound like loony Louise Mensch, but there are such things as Russian disruption or disinfo agents.

  351. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “I don’t mean to sound like loony Louise Mensch, but there are such things as Russian disruption or disinfo agents.”
    – You are indeed a skilled disinfo agent who skillfully replaced “Syria” with “Native Americans.”

    “…this type of junky Soviet propaganda implies that the US inspired and corrupted Israel, not the other way around.”
    – Poor Israel, the “most moral” one… Are you sure that the “America’s legacy of black slavery” is unique to Americans of European descend and that there were no important Jewish slave-traders involved?

    “…not according to Pravda.”
    – Reads like a pride for MSM: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#4baf0fa5660a

  352. @schmid

    Thoroughly agree with you about the Syrian conflict. Decent Americans have to be rooting for Russia and Assad — among other reasons because of the torture, death, and sharia subjugation that will befall Christians, Alawites, and others in Syria if the us-backed Islamists overthrow him.

    This conflict is like the Serbian-Kosovar conflict back in the 1990s: i wish that the US government, f k a “my government”, had stayed out, but if they insisted on intervening, they should have helped the other side!

    Those were missed opportunities to stop the further spread of Islam in Europe and the further expansion of extreme Islamism in the Middle East, respectively.

    They were also opportunities to work together with Russiaa — aaaaand, the US likely could have bargained for greater Russian cooperation in other areas or regions in return for the USA actively praising and assisting Russian efforts in both locations.

    My only fear is that the US gov and whoever the Hell is calling the shots, cause American and Russian soldiers to come into direct combat against one another. I can never wish for my American people to be harmed, but neither can I be happy when a people who should be our partners and eventually allies, the Russians, are killed with no compelling reason and for no just cause.

    Praying that President Trump cannot be threatened or pressured to escalate into a war against Russia over Syria, Ukraine, or anything else far from our borders.

    God bless Americans and our Russian cousins. God damn the warmongers and liars in our government and elsewhere.

    • Replies: @iffen
  353. @The True and Original David

    Saker needs to do better seeing past his own indoctrination and bias, alright, but it’s hard to say he is even exaggerating when it comes to the evil perpetrated by “my” government.

    I am far from left, let alone far left, but our government deserves even less trust than Russia’s these days, it seems.

  354. iffen says:
    @RadicalCenter

    God bless Americans and our Russian cousins. God damn the warmongers and liars in our government and elsewhere.

    Hear! Hear!

  355. Carlton says: • Website

    Touche. Now write the same about Russia, Germany, Italy , France , Spain, Italy, Greece, Rome, Japan, Ottomans, Mohammed, English ,Africans, Latin Americans, Mongols, etc…. The Chinese are the only ones that I think can go relatively free.

  356. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Oh please. China has helped us, your people bombed us. REPEATEDLY. Why the hell should we care about your new religious revival? You’ll forget us just as easily if you ever came into power again.

    Sleep in the bed you made. You never included Slavs in your Western world anyway.

  357. Ace says:
    @Johnny F. Ive

    Vietnam was a U.S. military victory. Read Snepp’s Decent Interval.

  358. Ace says:

    Ah. The saintly Lakota and Comanche. And all the rest of the Siberian invaders enjoying tea and crumpets with each other.

    Then there was the empty vastness of what became the southwestern U.S. Stolen from . . . from . . . ok, stolen from someone.

    I admit I’m not well read on the history of white-Indian interaction but where did all this killing take place? I mean specifically. Yup. Heard about Wounded Knee, people dying on the Trail of Tears, battle deaths at the Little Bighorn and the Blackhawk Rebellion. Also heard of the Iroquois who slowly roasted a Jesuit priest while they poured burning pitch on his head and cut off his lips. Not one cry from the man, I understand.

    Was there a pitched battle in Indiana somewhere I never heard of, followed by massacre of all the women and children? Or are we talking about the smallpox blankets thing that got the job done? Sort of like the Black Death that was ordered by . . . by . . . well, by someone?

    The Muslims dispatched 80,000,000 people in India during their conquest and occupation. Did American settlers really kill more than that. Personally, I’d retire that poly-genocidal theme. Continental reach isn’t the real problem. Numbers of actual killings are.

    I appreciate your take on seeing history from a different perspective and the true nature of those toads Churchill and FDR has yet to be brought out. However, I gotta tell you that your piece looks like you snagged some Hillary Clinton campaign literature for your outline, such is the unmistakable horror of America you describe.

  359. @Avery

    I would like to point out that there are objectively false points here.

    The communist regime did invade and enslave Eastern Europe. The regime that was/is considered worse than national socialism, which was at least national. Good thing Russia seems to be getting out of its unnatural embrace and unnatural ideas like equality.

    We are still who we are exactly because we know how to resist invasive alien ideas, whenever they be communist or multiculturalist.
    Communism basically vaccinated us against the EU, the next step of the USSR’s evolution.

    We know that our culture is the only one worth following, and no amount of outlander propaganda can change that. One culture, one people. Diversity is weakness and collapse.

    White or Christian are secondary attributes. The first and most primary one is that we are Hungarian, Polish, Czech, Croatian, Slovak, Romanian, etc, first and above all else.

    Americans think that all Africa is one black nation, and all of Europe is one white nation, when this is hubris. The US is unique in its more than one culture outlook, a system that never worked anywhere else.

    We still remember the genocides that Islam wrought on us, and know that no other thing on this planet is as dangerous as the followers of the Black Prophet. Nazis, Soviets are both lesser evils, barely evil by comparison to Islam. Indeed Jihad is the threat that unites all the eastern nations to act and oppose immigration in unison.

    It is a threat to humanity, not a Mcdonalds in every Syrian village. Some cultures are not worth preserving, and Islam is the one that should never reach space age.

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