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Introduction by the Saker: During my recent hurricane-induced evacuation from Florida, I had the pleasure to see some good friends of mine (White Russian emigrés and American Jews who now consider themselves American and who fully buy into the official propaganda about the US) who sincerely think of themselves as liberals, progressives and anti-imperialists. These are kind, decent and sincere people, but during our meeting they made a number of statements which completely contradicted their professed views. After writing this letter to them I realized that there might be many more people out there who, like myself, are desperately trying to open the eye of good but completely misled people about the reality of Empire. I am sharing this letter in the hope that it might maybe offer a few useful talking points to others in their efforts to open the eyes of their friends and relatives.

Dear friends:

During our conversation you stated the following:

  1. The US needs a military
  2. One of the reasons why the US needs a military are regimes like the North Korean one
  3. The US has a right to intervene outside its borders on a) pragmatic and b) moral grounds
  4. During WWII the US “saved Europe” and acquired a moral right to “protect” other friends and allies
  5. The Allies (USSR-US-UK) were morally superior to the Nazis
  6. The Americans brought peace, prosperity and freedom to Europe.
  7. Yes, mistakes were made, but this is hardly a reason to forsake the right to intervene

I believe that all seven of these theses are demonstratively false, fallacies based on profoundly mistaken assumptions and that they all can be debunked by common sense and indisputable facts.

But first, let me tackle the Delphic maxim “know thyself” as it is, I believe, central to our discussion. For all our differences I think that there are a number of things which you would agree to consider as axiomatically true, including that Germans, Russians, Americans and others are roughly of equal intelligence. They also are roughly equally capable of critical thinking, personal investigation and education. Right? Yet, you will also agree that during the Nazi regime in Germany Germans were very effectively propagandized and that Russians in Soviet Russia were also effectively propagandized by their own propaganda machine. Right? Do you have any reason to suppose that we are somehow smarter or better than those propagandized Germans and Russians and had we been in their place we would have immediately seen through the lies? Could it be that we today are maybe also not seeing through the lies we are being told?

It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place. Crucially, had the Nazis won WWII, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that the German people would have shown much skepticism about the version of history presented in their schools. Not only that, but I would submit that most Germans would also believe that they were free people and that the regime they live under was a benevolent one.

You doubt that?

Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was. Even Hitler’s personal secretary, Traudl Junge, used that excuse to explain how she could have worked for so many years with Hitler and even like him so much. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”. Well, may I ask – where are we sittting and are we so sure that we have an independent opinion which is not defined by where we sit (geographically, politically, socially and even professionally)?

You might ask about all the victims of the Nazi regime, would they not be able to present their witness to the German people and the likes of Traudl Junge? Of course not: the dead don’t speak very much, and their murderers rarely do (lest they themselves end up dead). Oh sure, there would be all sorts of dissidents and political activists who would know the truth, but the “mainstream” consensus under a victorious Nazi Germany would be that Hitler and the Nazis liberated Europe from the Judeo-Bolshevik hordes and the Anglo-Masonic capitalists.

This is not something unique to Germany, by the way. If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities. To some degree this is a good thing, because it counteracts decades of US anti-Soviet propaganda, but it often goes too far and ends up minimizing the actual human cost of the Bolshevik experiment in Russia.

So how do the US compare to Germany and Russia in this context?

Most Americans trust the version of history presented to them by their own “mainstream”. Why? How is their situation objectively different from the situation of Germans in a victorious Third Reich? Our modern narrative of WWII was also written by victors, victors who had a vested reason in demonizing all the other sides (Nazis and Soviets) while presenting us with a heroic tale of liberation. And here is the question which ought to really haunt us at night: what if we had been born not Russians and Jews after a Nazi defeat but if we had been born Germans after an Allied defeat in WWII? Would we have been able to show enough skepticism and courage to doubt the myths we were raised with? Or would we also be doubleplusgoodthinking little Nazis, all happy and proud to have defeated the evil Judeo-Bolshevik hordes and the Anglo-Masonic capitalists?

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Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated. No wonder that we, Jews and Russians, don’t particularly care for that kind of genocidal racist views. But surely we can be humans before being Jews and Russians, and we can accept that what is bad for us is not necessarily bad for others. Sure, Hitler was bad news for Jews and Russians, but was he really so bad news for “pure” (Aryan Germanic) Germans? More importantly, if we had been born “pure” Germans, would have have cared a whole lot about Jews and Russians? I sure hope so, but I have my doubts. I don’t recall any of us shedding many tears about the poly-genocided (a word a coined for a unique phenomenon in history: the genocide of all the ethnicities of an entire continent!) Native Americans! I dare say that we are a lot more prone to whining about the “Holocaust” or “Stalinism”, even though neither of them ever affected us personally, (only our families and ethnicity) than about the poly-genocide of Native Americans. I very much doubt that our whining priorities would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche. Again, I hope that I am wrong. But I am not sure sure.

Either way, my point is this:

We are hard-coded to be credulous and uncritically accept all the demonization of Nazis and Soviets because we are Jews and White Russians. Careful here, I am NOT saying that the Nazis and Soviets were not evil – they definitely were – but what I am saying is that we, Jews and Russians, are far more willing to accept and endorse any version of history which makes the Nazis and Soviets some kind of exceptionally evil people and that, in contrast, we almost instinctively reject any notion that “our” side (in this case I mean *your* side, the American one since you, unlike me, consider yourselves American) was just as bad (if only because your side never murdered Jews and Russians). So let’s look at this “our/your side” for a few minutes.

By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans. Truly, Hitler would have been proud. But that is hardly all, the Anglo invaders then proceeded to wage another illegal and brutal war of annexation against Mexico from which is stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico! Yes, all this land was illegally occupied and stolen by your side not once, but TWICE! And do I even need to mention the horrors of slavery to add to the “moral tally” of your side by the time the US entered the war? Right there I think that there is more than enough evidence that your side was morally worse than either the Nazis or the Soviets. The entire history of the US is one of endless violence, plunder, hypocrisy, exploitation, imperialism, oppression and wars. Endless wars of aggression. None of them defensive by any stretch of the imagination. That is quite unique in human history. Can you think of a nastier, more bloodthirsty regime? I can’t.

Should I even mention the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

I can just hear you say that yes, this was horrible, but that does not change the fact that in WWII the US “saved Europe”. But is that really so?

To substantiate my position, I have put together a separate PDF file which lists 5 sources, 3 in English, 2 in Russian. You can download it here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByibNV3SiUooWExTNGhMTGF5azQ

I have translated the key excerpts of the Russian sources and I am presenting them along with the key excerpts of the English sources. Please take a look at this PDF and, if you can, please read the full original articles I quote. I have stressed in bold red the key conclusions of these sources. You will notice that there are some variations in the figures, but the conclusions are, I think, undeniable. The historical record show that:

  1. The Soviet Union can be credited with the destruction of roughly 80% of the Nazi military machine. The US-UK correspondingly can be credited with no more than 20% of the Allied war effort.
  2. The scale and scope of the battles on the Eastern Front completely dwarf the biggest battles on the Western Front. Battles in the West involved Divisions and Brigades, in the East they involved Armies and Groups of Armies. That is at least one order of magnitude of difference.
  3. The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war.

The truth is that the Americans only entered the war when it was clear that the Nazis would be defeated and that their real motive was not the “liberation of oppressed Europe” but to prevent the Soviets from occupying all of Europe. The Americans never gave a damn about the mass murder of Jews or Russians, all they cared about was a massive land-grab (yet again).

[Sidebar: By the way, and lest you think that I claim that only Americans act this way, here is another set of interesting dates:

Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: August 6 and 9, 1945

Soviet Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation: August 9–20, 1945

We can clearly see the same pattern here: the Soviets waited until it was absolutely certain that the US had defeated the Japanese empire before striking it themselves. It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers! That should tell you a little something about the kind of military machine the Soviet Union had developed in the course of the war against Nazi Germany (see here for a superb US study of this military operation)]

Did the Americans bring peace and prosperity to western Europe?

To western Europe, to some degree yes, and that is because was easy for them: they ended the war almost “fresh”, their (stolen) homeland did not suffer the horrors of war and so, yes, they could bring in peanut butter, cigarettes and other material goods. They also made sure that Western Europe would become an immense market for US goods and services and that European resources would be made available to the US Empire, especially against the Soviet Union. And how did they finance this “generosity”? By robbing the so-called Third World blind, that’s all. Is that something to be proud of? Did Lenin not warn as early as 1917 that “imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism”? The wealth of Western Europe was built by the abject poverty of the millions of Africans, Asians and Latin Americas.

But what about the future of Europe and the European people?

There a number of things upon which the Anglos and Stalin did agree to at the end of WWII: The four Ds: denazification, disarmament, demilitarisation, and democratisation of a united Germany and reparations to rebuilt the USSR. Yes, Stalin wanted a united, neutral Germany. As soon as the war ended, however, the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program and to subvert the Soviet Union. Worse, they immediately developed plans to attack the Soviet Union. Right at the end of the WWII, Anglo powers had at least THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable. Here are some basic reminders from Wikipedia about what these operations were about:

Operation Dropshot: included mission profiles that would have used 300 nuclear bombs and 29,000 high-explosive bombs on 200 targets in 100 cities and towns to wipe out 85% of the Soviet Union’s industrial potential at a single stroke. Between 75 and 100 of the 300 nuclear weapons were targeted to destroy Soviet combat aircraft on the ground.

Plan Totality: earmarked 20 Soviet cities for obliteration in a first strike: Moscow, Gorki, Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yaroslavl.

Operation Unthinkable: assumed a surprise attack by up to 47 British and American divisions in the area of Dresden, in the middle of Soviet lines. This represented almost a half of roughly 100 divisions (ca. 2.5 million men) available to the British, American and Canadian headquarters at that time. (…) The majority of any offensive operation would have been undertaken by American and British forces, as well as Polish forces and up to 100,000 German Wehrmacht soldiers.

[Were you aware of these? If not, do you now wonder why?]

I am not making these things up, you can look it up for yourself on Wikipedia and elsewhere. This is the Anglo idea of how you deal with Russian “allies”: you stab them in the back with a surprise nuclear attack, you obliterate most of their cities and you launch the Nazi Wehrmacht against them.

I won’t even go into the creation of NATO (before the WTO was created in response) or such petty crimes as false flag terrorist attack (Operation Gladio).

[Have you ever heard of Operation Gladio or the August 1980 “Bologna massacre”, the bombing of the Bologna train station by NATO secret terrorist forces, a false-flag terrorist attack (85 dead, over 200 wounded) designed to discredit the Communist Party of Italy? If not – do you now wonder why you never heard of this?]

The sad reality is that the US intervention in Europe was a simple land-grab, that the Cold War was an Anglo creation, as was the partition of Europe, and that since WWII the US always treated Europe as a colony form which to fight the “Communist” threat (i.e. Russia).

But, let’s say that I am all wrong. For argument’s sake. Let’s pretend that the kind-hearted Americans came to Europe to free the European people. They heroically defeated Hitler and brought (Western) Europe peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness, etc. etc. etc.

Does this good deed give the US a license for future interventions? You both mentioned WWII as an example and a justification for the need for the US to maintain a military large enough to counter regimes such as the North Korean one, right? So, let me ask again,

Does the fact that the US altruistically, kindly and heroically liberated Europe from both the Nazis and the Soviets now grant the moral legitimacy to other, subsequent, US military interventions against other abhorrent, aggressive or evil regimes/countries out there?

If you reply “no” – then why did you mention it as a justification?

If you reply “yes” – then please forgive me for being so obtuse and ask you for how long this “license to militarily intervene” remains valid? One year? Five years? Maybe ten or even seventy years? Or maybe this license grants such a moral right to the US ad aeternam, forever? Seriously, if the US did liberate Europe and bring it peace and happiness, are we to assume that this will remain true forever and everywhere?

I also want to ask you this: let’s say, for the argument’s sake, that the moral license given by the US participation in the war in Europe is, truly, forever. Let’s just assume that, okay? But let me ask you this: could it be revoked (morally, conceptually)? Say the US did something absolutely wonderful in Europe. What about the subsequent horrors in southeast Asia, Latin America or the Middle-East. How many murdered, maimed, occupied, terrorized, bombed and otherwise genocided “non-West Europeans” would it take to outweigh the putatively “happily liberated” Europeans which, according to you, grant the US the license to intervene? Even if the US in Europe was all noble and pure, do the following seventy years of evil mass murder worldwide really count for nothing or does there come a point were “enough is enough” and the license cam be revoked, morally speaking, by people like us, like you?

May I point out to you that your words spoken in defense of a supposed need for the US to maintain a military capable of overseas operations strongly suggest that you believe that the US has a moral right (if not a duty!) to conduct such operations, which means that the post WWII atrocity-tally of the US is not, in your opinion, sufficient to elicit a “enough is enough” reaction in you. Are you sure that you are comfortable with this stance?

In theory, there could be another reason to revoke such a moral license. After all, one can have the moral right to do something, but not necessarily the capability to do so. If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so. Right? So when you say that the US needs to maintain a military capable of protecting friends and allies from rogue and dangerous regimes like the one in North Korea, you do imply that besides having the right to extend such a protection the US also has the capabilities and the expertise to do so?

Really?

And what is the evidence for that, may I ask?!

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I asked you to name me a single successful US military intervention since WWII and you could name none. Good! I agree with you. The reality is that every single US military operation since WWII has resulted in a disaster either on the humanitarian, political and military level (often on all of them combined). Even Grenada was a total (military) failure! Also, do you see who sits in the White House today? Do you really want The Donald in charge of protecting “our friends and allies” and are you confident that he has the skillset needed to do this competently? Or Hillary for that matter? Even Sanders has a record of defending catastrophic military operations, such as the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2006 which, you guessed it (or not), ended in abject defeat for the Israelis and untold civilians horrors in Lebanon. But forget the President, take a look at US generals – do they inspire in you the belief that they are the kind of people who can be trusted to skillfully execute a military intervention inspired by moral and ethical reasons?! What about US “Congresspersons”? Would you trust them? So where do you see honest and competent “saviors of others” in the US polity?

Did you notice that there was no Islamic State in Iraq before the US invasion? Or did you notice that ever since the US declared a war on ISIS the latter has been getting stronger and stronger and taking over more countries. Yes, of course, once the Russians got involved ISIS began suffering defeat after defeat, but all the Americans had to say about the Russian intervention was to denounce it and predict it would fail. So why is it that the Russians are so good at fighting ISIS and the Americans, and they allies, so bad? Do you really want the Americans in charge of world security with such a record?!

Is insanity not repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

Now I hear the reply you gave me to this point. You said “yes, mistakes were made”.

Mistakes?!

I don’t think that millions of murdered people, including hundreds of thousands of children, are “mistakes” (how would you react it somebody conceded to you that Hitler and Stalin made “mistakes”?). But there is something even more insidious in this notion of “mistake”.

How would you define “success”?

Say the US armed forces were not only good at killing people (which they are), but also good at winning wars (which they ain’t). Say the US had been successful in not only invading Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in fully pacifying these countries. Say the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been successfully defeated, their economy had bounced back, and democratic regimes put in power: capitalism everywhere, 100 channels on each TV, McDonalds in every Afghan villages, gay pride parades in downtown Kabul, gender-neutral toilets in every mosque, elections every 4 years or so and not a single shot fired, not a single bomb going off? Would that be a “success”?

I pray to God and hope with all my heart that your reply to this question is a resounding “no!!”. Because if you answered “yes” then you are truly messianic genocidal imperialists. Yup, I mean that. Why? Because your notion of “success” is the spiritual, psychological and cultural death of an ancient civilization and that makes you, quite literally, an mortal enemy of mankind as a whole. I can’t even imagine such a horror. So I am sure that you answered “no!!” as every decent human being would, right?

But then what is a “success”? You clearly don’t mean the success as defined by your rulers (they would enthusiastically support such an outcome; in fact – they even promise it every time over and over again!). But if their idea of “success” is not yours, and if you would never want any other nation, people or ethnicity to ever become to victim of such as “successful” military intervention, why do you still want your rulers with their satanic notion of “success” to have the means to be “successful” in the future? And that in spite of the fact that the historical record shows that they can’t even achieve any type of “success” even by their own definition, nevermind yours?!

Did you notice that nowhere in my arguments above did I mention the fact that the US has never asked people (as opposed to local Comprador elites) whether they wanted to be saved by Uncle Sam or not? Neither did they ask the American people if they wanted to go to war, hence all the well-known false flags from the “remember the Maine”, to the sinking of the RMS Lusitania, to Pearl Harbor, to the “Gulf of Tonkin incident”, to September 11th: every time a lie had to be concocted to convince the American people that they had to go to war. Is that really people power? Is this democracy?!

Are there people out there, anybody, who really favor US military interventions? Yes, I suppose that there are. Like the Kosovo Albanians. I suspect that the Afghan Tajiks and Hazara were pretty happy to see the US bomb the crap of the Taliban. So there might be a few cases. Oh, and I forgot our Balt and Ukrainian friends (but then, they were also happy when the Nazis came, hardly much of an example). But it is pretty safe to say that in reality nobody wants to be liberated by Uncle Sam, hence the wordwide use of the “Yankee go home” slogan.

This letter is already way too long, and I will forgo the listing of all the reasons why the US are pretty much hated all over the planet, not by the ruling elites, of course, but by the regular people. And when I say “the US” I don’t mean Paul Newman, Mark Twain, Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino, James Taylor or the Bill of Rights or the beautiful country called “the US”. But the regime, as opposed to any one specific government or administration in Washington, the regime is what truly universally hated. I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America. But the hate for the Empire is quasi universal by now. Only the political elites whose status, power and well-being is dependent on the Empire do, in fact, support the Empire and what it stands for. Everybody else despises what the US stands for today. And every military intervention only makes this worse.

And you want to make sure this continues? Really?

Right now the US is desperately trying to save al-Qaeda (aka IS, ISIS, Daesh, al-Nusra, etc.) from defeat in Syria. How is that for a moral stance after 9/11 (that is, if you accept the official narrative about 9/11; if you understand that 9/11 was a controlled demolition in which al-Qaeda patsies were used as a smokescreen, then this makes sense, by the way).

By the way – who are the current allies the US are so busy helping now?

The Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia

The Nazi regime in the Ukraine and

The last officially racist regime on the planet in Israel

Do these really strike you as allies worth supporting?!

And what are the American people getting form all that? Nothing but poverty, oppression, shame, hatred, fear and untold physical, psychological and moral suffering.

These are the fruits of Empire. Every Empire. Always.

You mentioned that every time you see a veteran you thanked him for his service. Why? Do you really think that he fought in a just war, that his service is something he can be proud of? Did he fight for his people? Did he defend the innocent? Or was he an occupier in a foreign land and, if he saw combat, did he not kill people who defended their own land, their families and their way of life? What exactly do you thank that veteran for? For following orders? But is that not something the Nuremberg trials specifically condemned as immoral and illegal?

Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”. Well, you clearly are not aware of how Russian soldiers live nowadays, under your hated Putin, but that is besides the point. The question which I wanted to ask you then and which I will ask you now is this: is the comfortable lifestyle granted to US Marines good enough a reason to be a Marine – that is being part of the very first force called in to murder innocent people and invade countries? Do you even know what Marines did to Fallujah recently? How much is a human soul worth? And it is really your belief that being being a hired killer for the Empire is an honorable way of life? And should you think that I am exaggerating, please read the famous essay “War is a Racket” by Marine Brigadier General Smedley Butler, who had the highest rank a Marine could achieve in this time and who was the most decorated Marine in history. If war is a racket, does that not make Marines professional racketeers, hired thugs who act as enforcers for the mobsters in power? Ask yourself this: what would be the roughly equivalent counterparts of the US Marines in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia? To help you answer this question, let me offer a short quote from the Wikipedia entry about the Marine Corps: (emphasis added)

The Marine Corps was founded to serve as an infantry unit aboard naval vessels and was responsible for the security of the ship and its crew by conducting offensive and defensive combat during boarding actions and defending the ship’s officers from mutiny; to the latter end, their quarters on ship were often strategically positioned between the officers’ quarters and the rest of the vessel.

Does that help you identify their Nazi or Soviet counterparts?

Of all people, is it not we, Jews and Russians, who ought to recognize and categorically reject the trappings of Empire and all the rationalizations used to justify the subservient service to Empires?

I believe that history shows beyond any doubt that all Empires are evil, inherently and essentially, evil. They are also therefore equally evil. Shall I explain why?

Do you know what crimes is considered the ultimate, supreme, most evil crime under international law? It is not genocide, or crimes against humanity. Nope, the ultimate crime is the crime of aggression (that, by the way, makes every single US President a war criminal under international law, think of it!). In the the words of the chief American prosecutor at Nuremberg, Robert H. Jackson, the crime of aggression is the ultimate crime because “it contains within itself the accumulated evil” of all the other war crimes. Well, to paraphrase Jackson, imperialism contains within itself all the accumulated evil of all empires. Guantanamo, Hiroshima, Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Gladio and all the rest, they “come with the territory”, they are not the exception, they are the norm.

The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire. The support, even tacit and passive, of this Empire by people like yourself only delays this outcome and allows this abomination to to bring even more misery and pain upon millions of innocent people, including millions of your fellow Americans. This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia, with war and possibly nuclear war and that, in turn, means that this Empire threatens the survival of the human species. Whether the US Empire is the most evil one in history is debatable, but the fact that it is by far the most dangerous one is not. Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”? What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species? Or will it take a nuclear winter to open your eyes to the true nature of the Empire you apparently are still supporting against all evidence?

 
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  1. nickels says:

    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill’s jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain’s goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

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    • Replies: @KenH
    Early in his career David Irving believed that six million Jews were "systematically" killed by the Nazis. But later he reversed himself upon more research into the matter and has held firm even after withering assaults on his reputation and character.
    , @Avery
    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU - Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, 'enslave' East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,....
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, 'liberated' by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (...it sure isn't Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While 'enlightened', 'liberated' Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the 'Free World'.

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    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

    , @Wally
    There was no 'extermination' of Jews, period.

    The claimed '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are impossible frauds.
    , @RadicalCenter
    With the marked exception of number one (poor Hitler didn't know what they were doing to Jews et al. in concentration camps) and the Antichrist comment, I tend to agree.
    , @Moi
    The Zios will take over, with the shabbos goyim doing the dirty work.

    This might interest you (although I'm no fan of the writer):

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
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  2. peterAUS says:

    Whooaah……………

    Anyway.

    Apologize for being the first and with “wrong” attitude. Time zones I guess.

    What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?

    A conviction that Russia or/and China would not fill the empty space after US pulling out/weakening.

    Disclaimer:
    Thinking as one of those, quote: “Balt and Ukrainian”, “Kosovo Albanians” and, my addition:
    Finns
    Polish
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    Hungarians
    Slovenians
    Croats
    Albanians (proper)
    Romanians
    Bulgarians.
    Georgians
    …will stop here…there are more there but, no need….

    And, yes:
    Taiwanese
    South Korean
    ..probably more but let’s not get carried away.

    So, probably the best for this “debate” would be if people from that list just don’t get involved.

    You…the rest…….enjoy.

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    I can assure you that neither Czechs nor Slovaks in general favour 'foreign military interventions'. That also holds true for almost all of the elite, comprador or not. I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.

    The fear of 'empty space' that you use is silly. There is no space to fill. People have always lived together and fought together, there is no 'space manager' on this planet. You just become part of the fight with all the consequences. You cannot even theoretically fill the 'space', that's a crazy abstraction. Remember, a map is not the territory.

    Am I getting inappropriately 'involved'?
    , @uslabor
    And yet the list is a small minority of all the countries in the world. Not one in the entire continent of South America except for the elites of Columbia.
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  3. Thirdeye says:

    Overall valid thesis undone by the inclusion of a bunch of extraneous and erroneous rubbish, from the supposed “polygenocide” to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I think The Saker’s heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.

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    • Replies: @ANON
    "Saker’s heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky."

    The heart seems a little dislocated at times, here for example, but generally I'd say "Amen" to the above statement.
    , @Boris Kazlov
    Which of this wrong and why ? maybe the polygenocide term is wrong, but that is a semantic issue, not factual, the other one is the conspiracy theory, perhaps the most ridiculous conspiracy theory is the one proposed by the US govenrment: that towers build to sustain more than one airplane impact can crumble in freefall and that building 7 can crumble on its footprint at freefall speed WIHOUT being hit by a plane, read the website I posted ae911truth.org and start educating yourself before posting rubbish.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I share your sentiment, thirdeye. For example, take the talk about white European settlers allegedly polygenociding the very few people who lived in largely primitive conditions - murdering and raping and looting and scalping each other - without effectively developing or even permanently occupying and cultivating these vast lands, which is itself exaggerated double-standard nonsense.

    Saker apparently is fine with non-white people, such as "Native American" Indians, taking land or resources or women by force, but not white people.

    And where is the Saker's call for Russians to give back or at least make reparations for the lands and resources they took by violence and intimidation from the many racially or ethnically different peoples, including the Chinese, who used to have much of those lands?

    The Saker undermines his credibility greatly with the distracting PC crap about the evil whites and the poor noble peaceful Indians. Ask the Hopis, for example, how peaceful and fair minded the Navajo were, and ask yourself why the Hopi reservation is tiny and surrounded by a vast Navajo Rez. (Yes, those sainted Navajo, a few of whose members are so lionized for being codetalkers in the us gov effort to kill millions of Germans and help the soviets enslave much of Europe instead.)
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  4. Sharrukin says:

    Could it be that we today are maybe also not seeing through the lies we are being told?

    It could indeed. It could also be that the extent and nature of the German crimes against Judaism are as much a part of Allied propaganda as anything else was during and after the war. Wouldn’t it in fact be surprising if they weren’t?

    Arno Düre confessed to taking part in the Katyn Massacre where Germans slaughtered Poles, which we now know to have been carried out by the Soviets. The Cold War allowed this to come out, but would it have ever been revealed if not for that?

    Kurt Gerstein confessed to taking part in the extermination of 25 million Jews, which is about 10 million more Jews than were alive at the time.

    This doesn’t make the Germans the good guys, nor does it excuse their horrific conduct towards Jews and others, but it should make one a little more cynical regarding what we ‘think’ we know.

    The false Kuwait baby incubator story that helped sell the US war against Iraq shows that even today we are not as clever or discerning as we imagine. This in an age when we actually have alternative avenues of information to fact check the media.

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    remember the booby trapped toys supposedly left by the Soviets in the khyber pass? Saddam's rape rooms? just two more off the top of my head
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  5. utu says:

    Looks like you had a really rough time with your friends. Think how far out you are from the reality of average Americans.

    I liked the 1st half about all the bandits participating in the WWII. And the history written by the winner.

    I like you assessment of Russia and the unfortunate situation that the perpetrators of Soviet crimes outlived and outbred their victims and nobody is remorseful. If God is just Russia will pay for the omission of atonement for its sins. That Russian pride themselves for defeating the III Reich it is just like bragging among the murders who is the baddest.

    “And when I say “the US” I don’t mean Paul Newman, Mark Twain, Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino, James Taylor…” How many just and righteous men were needed to save Sodom and Gomorrah. Does the US have enough of them? Are you sure Tarantino belongs to the list? Americans are more responsible for the deeds of their Empire than Germans or Russians for III Reich or USSR or at least the ones who insist that they live in true democracy.

    The support, even tacit and passive, of this Empire by people like yourself only delays – Perhaps God should smite only those.

    I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere – Perhaps because many perceive Americans as children who one day will grow up. This might be a benevolent mistake.

    I liked what you insinuated about the US Marines. I would say give them an opportunity an they will demonstrate they are worse than SS and NKVD combined. The training and brainwashing in the ability to kill w/o thinking far exceeds what ever was done in Germany and USSR. On top of it there is complete absence of warrior chivalry, that one could still spot even among some SS but not in NKVD, that was completely replaced with that American pragmatism that knows no mercy and no true honor.

    and I forgot our Balt and Ukrainian friends (but then, they were also happy when the Nazis came, hardly much of an example) – No, that is very good example on the awfulness of Soviet regime and its crimes that many were willing rather to go with the Nazis. In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    Because if you answered “yes” then you are truly messianic genocidal imperialists. – Excellent point!

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    In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    You hardly now anything about so called Eastern Europe during and shortly 2. ww. Eastern Europe is propagandistic term of cold war, probably referring to nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with geographical realities.


    Several of my friends including myself often make a point out to our colleagues in Vienna that they are Eastern of Prague, Yet - that consider themselves proudly Western city.

    Speaking of Eastern of Vienna there was Hungary south Romania, hardly waiting for liberation of U.S. army as proud members of AXIS.

    Speaking of Yugoslavia resistance and partizan movement was hardly waiting for US liberation.

    Speaking Czechoslovakia - major uprising of Slovak army in Slovakia was coordinating and waiting for Red Army to get trough Dukla pass.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_National_Uprising

    I will not be speaking on behalf of Poland where it was more difficult for various reasons

    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you...
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  6. “The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.”
    …and replace it with what, another empire? Isn’t that what the empire did in Iraq and Afghanistan? What were the results in those places?

    “Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”?”
    Many people do exactly this. I’m one of them.

    “What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?”
    Which side am I supposed to join exactly? Didn’t you just get done telling us that all empires are equally evil? Tell you what, until something better comes along, I’ll just be on my side.

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    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    "…and replace it with what, another empire?"

    How about... let's see.. a republic?
    , @jacques sheete

    …and replace it with what, another empire?
     
    Why replace it at all? Why not just be rid of it?

    If you just got rid of a bad case of hemorrhoids, why would you want to replace them with anything? Wouldn't you be happy just to be rid of 'em? Explain?
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  7. 5371 says:

    The US didn’t have 20 nuclear weapons in 1945, and didn’t have 300 in 1949. So neither of those was a practical plan, and nor was the third, even according to its own authors.

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    Yes. As per the linked source (Wiki), Plan Totality was a disinformation campaign, a bluff, it was not a concrete military plan. (You could probably say the same about the others as well.) I like Saker's stuff, but he's being over-eager here.
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  8. Wally says: • Website

    What a dumsky with his ‘garbage in, garbage out’ virtue signalling.

    Childish, misinformed, Zionist propaganda in plain sight:

    “Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was. Even Hitler’s personal secretary, Traudl Junge, used that excuse to explain how she could have worked for so many years with Hitler and even like him so much. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”. Well, may I ask – where are we sittting and are we so sure that we have an independent opinion which is not defined by where we sit (geographically, politically, socially and even professionally)?”

    ‘The German’s didn’t know how bad the ‘Nazis’ were’ because there was no ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ to know about.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    “Ach,” he said, “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”

    - “holocaust historian” Raul Hilberg

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  9. In 1941, during WWII, Harry Truman wanted a brutal and prolonged conflict in order to inflict as much death and destruction in Europe as possible, declaring:

    “If we see Germany winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible.”

    The US (as expressed by one of its key leaders) wanted the brutal war to continue for as long as possible, so that as many Russians and Germans as possible would be killed, (with other Europeans, including Jews, as inevitable collateral casualties in that process,) so that the US could then step in at the end to dominate war-destroyed Europe.

    And that was exactly what happened: Some 27 million Soviet people were killed, about 16% of their population, while the Americans and British delayed starting a western front until after the outcome was largely decided, then raced to seize control of as much of Europe and of the credit as possible at the end:

    “It was not until well after the Nazis’ fortunes had been decisively reversed at Stalingrad that the long-promised ‘second front’ [by the US and Britain] actually materialized. Indeed, by this point the outcome of the war had effectively already been determined. D-Day, then, was waged not to defeat the Nazis but to ensure the Soviet Union, who had borne almost all of the sacrifice, would not reap the fruits of their victory.”

    British Troops Enter Syria and Libya to Ensure That War Outlives ISIS

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/15/british-troops-enter-syria-and-libya-to-ensure-that-war-outlives-isis/

    It seems like the US is following this same pattern again in Syria: prolong the brutal war and suffering for as long as possible, and now race at the end to be able to falsely claim credit (for the defeat of ISIS) and seize control (via a Kurdistan proxy).

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Excellent points, except that decent people must rejoice that the soviets were prevented from enjoying even more "fruits" of their sacrifice. Enough people suffered under that vile regime already, in Russia, in the other SSRs, and elsewhere.
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  10. Heros says:

    Saker, from deep within his Russo-Soviet, Intelligence Community, and now apparently Judaic bubble as well, chastises Americans for being in their own Yankee-doodle propaganda bubble. A pox on all of them.

    The Jewish-bolschevics won the cold war. The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now. Each with a different flavored frosting of democracy.

    Saker manages to dance around Nuremburg and the “Holocaust”. He never mentions lend lease and all the other illegal activities led by the cabal without which Stalin, Moscow and the USSR would not have survived the winter of 1941/2 let alone achieved victory.

    Unfortunately for Saker, you cannot have an honest discussion of the last 100 years of history without bringing up Freemasonry, Judaism and other sinister forces and the effects they had on WWI, Versailles, Poland 1939, the “Holocaust”, Nuremburg and most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    Otherwise Saker is merely spewing narrative at one propaganda bubble from within another one.

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    OMG! Please contribute more!

    You said more in 200 words than the columnist did in 5300, and I'm generally in sympathy with the author's apparent motives.

    For instance, how many people know this:


    ...most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.
     
    For those new to the idea, here's a quote from a very well written article that is highly worth anyone's time in my ever so humble opinion.

    70 years ago (August 9, 1945) an all-Christian bomber crew [blessed prior to takeoff by Christian clergy] dropped a plutonium bomb over Nagasaki City, Japan, instantly vaporizing, incinerating or otherwise annihilating tens of thousands of innocent civilians, a disproportionately large number of them Japanese Christians.

    Ironically, prior to the bomb exploding nearly directly over the Urakami Cathedral at 11:02 AM, Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan, and the massive cathedral was the largest Christian church in the Orient.

    -Gary G. Kohls, The 70th Anniversary of the Bombing of Nagasaki, Unwelcome Truths for Church and State, Aug 2015.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/08/gary-g-kohls/the-70th-anniversary-of-the-bombing-of-nagasaki/

     

    , @Sarah Toga

    The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now.
     
    Hmm.
    Look at who are the prime-movers behind dangerous, nation-wrecking mass-immigration.

    This is one place where Catholics and Evangelicals are buying into the same line of propaganda.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what "Francis" says, approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    Evangelicals and "Main Line" Protestants are just as bad, profiteering from US-taxpayer-funded "refugee resettlement."

    We all need to understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem.

    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.
    , @Carroll Price
    I fully agree. How are we supposed to take the Saker seriously when he repeats the following Jewish propaganda a fact:

    Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.
     
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  11. “the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, ”

    -This is not really true, they waited until 1947, after starving and tortured the German civilian population for 2 years under the Morgenthau Plan, which actually was quite a nice treatment, compared to the initial Morgenthau Plan that wanted to exterminate 20 million German civilians.(Morgenthau was a jew btw, another genocidal one, go figure)

    The reason the allies stopped starving the German civilians was not due to their high moral standards however, they were just worried the German civilians would rather live under soviet where they were allowed to eaten then live under USA and starve to death.

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    “If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.” .
     McCullough, David (15 June 1992). Truman. New York, New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 262.
    Truman made this remark after hearing that Hitler had invaded Soviet Russia.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I have two Jewish acquaintances, one born and raised in the USA and a self-proclaimed "American patriot" and "conservative republican" and the other born and raised mostly in Russia, who can't even hide their vicious hatred of Russians and Germans.

    One of the two remarked "good" when I pointed out the impoverishing effect that the much harsher sanctions he favors - effectively, an economic blockade and embargo of Russia -- could have on the Russian people. The same fellow thinks it funny to contemplate Russia being taken over gradually by Muslims.

    They may hate the Russians even more than they hate the Germans, it seems.
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  12. LauraMR says:

    Crimes committed at one point in history cannot, in general, by compared to crimes committed at another point in history.

    Europeans 2,000 years ago were an entirely different people than Europeans 1,200 or 500 years ago. Same geographical location but completely distinct populations. To the point, these populations would have not recognized each other. Indeed, even a gap of a few generations is enough to produce folks with different lore, priorities, and taboos.

    So, no, you cannot compare 19th century USA with 20th Germany. In fact, you cannot even compare early 20th Russia with mid 20th century Germany. The moral standards by which you judge them are the same. The moral standards by which each lived are unalike.

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  13. RobinG says:

    Oliver Stone film ‘UKRAINE ON FIRE’ on YouTube

    Ukraine. Across its eastern border is Russia and to its west-Europe. For centuries, it has been at the center of a tug-of-war between powers seeking to control its rich lands and access to the Black Sea. 2014′s Maidan Massacre triggered a bloody uprising that ousted president Viktor Yanukovych and painted Russia as the perpetrator by Western media. But was it?

    “Ukraine on Fire” by Igor Lopatonok provides a historical perspective for the deep divisions in the region which led to the 2004 Orange Revolution, 2014 uprisings, and the violent overthrow of democratically elected Yanukovych. Covered by Western media as a people’s revolution, it was in fact a coup d’état scripted and staged by nationalist groups and the U.S. State Department. Investigative journalist Robert Parry reveals how U.S.-funded political NGOs and media companies have emerged since the 80s replacing the CIA in promoting America’s geopolitical agenda abroad.

    Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton backed the Nazis. Oddly enough, the same ‘blood and soil’ imagery and chants were used in Charlottesville and the Unite the Right ‘rally’. Add in the fact the organizer, Kessler, was an Obama voter and Occupy supporter. It appears Charlotttesville was scripted as well.

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    Obama and Clinton did indeed back the neo-Nazis in Ukraine. - Nice touch for their resumes.

    Meanwhile the "liberated" Ukraine is entering its "well-done" phase: http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/03/the-rothschilds-and-ukraine.html
    "The Rothschild family has come up with an initiative to create a group of Ukrainian bond holders to shape a common policy on debt settlement. Rothschild & Cie Banque, a French bank belonging to Rothschild Group, offered its service in the capacity of «go-between» in the talks of Ukraine’s Ministry of Finances and creditors on restructuring the debt."
    One of the possible outcomes of the approaching default: "....the agreement will confirm the consent of Ukraine’s government on complete privatization of the country, including the rest of state industrial property, land and natural resources. Franklin Templeton and other structures belonging to the Rothschilds will gain."
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  14. Erebus says:

    As good a rant as ever I’ve read.
    Picking a nit here.

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.

    As many, even in the US, realize the “Empire’s” days are numbered, the best thing would be to abandon the Empire, rather than waiting for it to collapse.

    Conscious abandonment frees resources for rebuilding the country, and suggests it could be managed for minimum impact. A belly landing at best, but eminently survivable with luck and skill at the controls. Collapse, if delayed much longer, is shaping up to be catastrophic for the US, and highly disruptive for the rest of the world, and that’s assuming we avoid anybody going nuclear.

    Active, managed abandonment of the Empire is what the people voted for. Collapse is what it looks like they’ll get. Not “best” at all, and maybe very, very bad.

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    Erebus: I agree. EMPIRE is collapsing. Too late, I think, to manage anything.
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  15. Silva says:

    “Your country” is Russia, but you didn’t bother to live in it last I checked. Has it changed? If not, care to explain why “your country” isn’t the one you live in?

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    You know, Silva, you're right. Can't we just build a wall between us and Russia to keep people like The Saker where he belongs? Huh, can't we?
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  16. If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce.

    Unlikely, considering there were far fewer executioners than executed, and a good percentage of them belonged to a specific ethnocultural group that gradually turned against the USSR once they were driven out of power around 1938, after which most of them eventually emigrated.

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    @a specific ethnocultural group that gradually turned against the USSR once they were driven out of power

    Bullseye.
    It is a phenomenon observed and in other 'communist' countries (Romania, for example).

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  17. Miro23 says:

    In my experience letters to friends (or at least speeches of this kind – I haven’t done any letters) don’t go down too well and produce a high level of boredom.

    Political action is rather uncomfortable, and it seems to be restricted to defined places, where it can be read and heard or ignored, like the editorial columns of main stream newspapers or explicitly political forums like Congress or Think Tanks.

    The problem of course, is that in the US and Western Europe these “respectable” forums have been hijacked by the centre and force fed with propaganda while preserving the veneer of impartiality.

    So, that seems to leave places like Unz Review , in the role of the pre-WW1 Viennese coffee house (e.g. Café Central 1913 with Papadopoulos/Dzhugashvili (Stalin) and Bronstein (Trotsky) playing chess at one table and Hitler and friends with cakes and coffee at another).

    Or will it take a nuclear winter to open your eyes to the true nature of the Empire you apparently are still supporting against all evidence?

    Public political talk probably only becomes general and continuous (unless it is obligatory as in Switzerland) through direct threatening experiences, involving everyone, such as a total war, mass unemployment or hyperinflation and the US hasn’t arrived there yet.

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  18. Randal says:

    Not only that, but I would submit that most Germans would also believe that they were free people and that the regime they live under was a benevolent one.

    The reality is that freedom is not the simple yes/no issue that it is presented as by American-style simplist propagandists. It is a complex matter of degrees, and of more freedom in some areas versus less in others, of more freedom for some in a particular society versus less for others.

    One of the best easily readable anecdotal sources imo on the way government supporting Germans viewed their pre-WW2 government, is the following:

    They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45

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    not credible, Randal, for reasons similar to nickel's comment @146 --

    "That’s the problem with jewish authors playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won’t be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they’ll just write the whole thing off."
     
    in other words, you can fool all of the people some of the time . . . but not all of the people all of the time. And time is running out for the tall-tale-tellers.

    in the period Mayer interviewed 10 Germans and wrote his book, Germany was fully under control of US psychological warfare squads, predominantly Jewish. Germans who did not stick to the script imposed on them by occupiers could find themselves living on the street, not getting food, losing their job. The Jewish psychological warfare operatives were brutal and thorough, and they were in control of Germany for over 5 years post-war.

    US occupiers had lists of American authors they sponsored -- OSS -which turned into CIA -- committed billions to creating propaganda and hiring propaganda writers. William Kristol got his start thanks to CIA financial support.

    Mayer may have been solid and independent, but, see above: the pond of history has forever been polluted by "Jews playing 'tell the biggest lie' for decades."
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  19. Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.

    The German elite in this era believed they were practicing ‘good science’ by these actions. In fact they were by the standards of the pseudo science of Eugenics which was supported universally by leading figures in the West. The Nazis began this purge with German citizens deemed faulty and a threat to humanity long before attention was focused on Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc etc. The shock of the camps and the actions at Nuremberg put an end to Eugenics except in the US where it continued. Actually Eugenics was the horror child birthed in the US and UK.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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    [Choose a single Handle and use it, or Anonymous/Anon. Using multiple Handles to conceal your identity will get all your comments trashed.]

    " pseudo science of Eugenics"

    -There is no psuedo-science, it is well established since before recorded history that if you breed individual with desirable traits these traits will likely be passed on and increase in the population. Eugenics is just this basic knowledge applied to humans, which of course are animals and subject to the hereditary.
    , @mad anthony
    Are you implying the moral superiority of dysgenics?
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  20. Renoman says:

    “The World is ruled by violence but that is better off left unsaid.”

    Bob Dylan

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  21. DAN III says:

    Saker,

    Having spent years in the Federal Republic of Germany as a member of the USA’s military occupation force, I cannot agree with you more.

    Re: Winning the war in Europe. The source I read YEARS ago stated that 84.9% of all WW2 German casualties (KIA, WIA, MIA) occurred on the Eastern Front at the hands of the Soviets. The American military did not defeat the NAZI war machine. They only conducted mop-up ops after the Soviets had disembowled the Wehrmacht.

    Believe me. Not all Americans are asleep to the lies and imperialism of the scoundrels who comprise the U.S. government. Thank you for your accurate synopsis.

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  22. Very well written and emotionally charged piece by Sacker. Despite disagreeing with him mostly on Soviet past and whitewashing of Islam I see good in him. Now, I will try to be brief but making Soviet regime equal in evilness to the mentioned Nazi and US regimes is completely false and mostly comes form Sacker’s background.
    First thing that should never be missed is that unlike Nazi and US regimes Soviet regime never committed genocides. All those fair tales about tens of millions killed in Gulag and elsewhere with opened archives are pure bogus, nor did Russians and Soviets committed genocides against populations under their control in new acquired lands. Central Asia had extremely low population when taken over by Russia. Under Soviet rule that population ballooned out of all proportions due to extremely favorable conditions created. I know, I lived there for 20 years.
    It should never be forgotten that Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years leading to their mental and physical degeneration and huge deformities of Russian character which are still there even after decades of Soviet power to tackle it. By every definition Russian peasants were not serfs but slaves who could be sold, families broken and gambled away of exchanged for dogs.
    Lenin and Stalin had to do with extremely low level of human material available to them , which was uplifted basically from the dirt, educated and provided with things necessary for decent life which they never experienced before. This regime cannot be called evil. USSR did not commit evil against other countries and actually propped and helped other third world nations to build their own countries unfortunately at the expense of our own people.
    The last but not the least, were there not Bolsheviks, Russia would seize to exist as thanks to pre Bolsheviks regime, old regime led Russia to certain death by 1917. Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia without Lenin and Bolsheviks coming along and the death of millions of European people and Jews. How this regime can be called evil. I have no clue.
    Otherwise, I often agree with Sacker and consider him a good man.

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    Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia...
     
    And knowing what we should all know about Marxists and the banker backed Reds of the times, plus the jealousies of the petulant, dictatorial, showtime morons, Churchill, and FDR and others like them, and the prior actions of the major colonial powers, I'd say the anti-Red Germans were the ones who faced annihilation and subjugation by the Big Three, (Please note that they were called that for some very good reasons.), and subsequent history bears that out.

    So enough with the "dangeorus Nazis" cliches, OK?

    , @Cyrano
    For those who still don’t know the difference between German Nazism, Jewish liberalism, US imperialism and Russian communism – the Russians never treated anyone worse than they treated themselves, which can’t be said about the other 3, whose starting position has always been – we are better than you.
    , @anon
    "... Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years..."
    It seems that you have some strong words against Russian nobility. Have you heard about "zemstvo?" It is exemplary naive to assign all positive qualities to the manual laborers, for the expense of Russian intelligentsia, including nobility. It seems that the glorification of the laboring masses was the main point of the Soviet propaganda...
    Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a "normal" European state, with the well-developed local governments, local schools, and local hospitals in addition to the first-class universities and hospitals in the metropolitan centers. From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully. You need to check the Moscow School of Mathematics, for example. Or you could try to learn about Russian avant-garde of the beginning of the 20-th century, which was a heavy influence on the western endeavors (minus the soulful seriousness of the Russian artists and architects who were deep into philosophy). The Bolshevik revolution was a terrorist act that stunted the development of Russia. The enormous potential of the country has allowed for a recovery, long and painful, which is still going on today.
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  23. Whilst I have followed you constantly over the years and respect your views immensely and have studied your works for several years, my one and only response (as a follow-up) to your ‘letter’ is this:

    What is your solution? What system or which empire shall we replace the American one with? Someone with your intelligence should know that things don’t exist in a vaccum.

    If the American empire is collapsed as you wish it would be, then what? What magical solution do you have? Because rest assured there will be someone else taking the reins but I guess you feel that the next power will do it the ‘right way’.

    Laughable…

    You do a great job pointing out the faults of the American Empire but I feel you fall into the same ‘hole’ that so many do while riding their high horse, and that is: complain, complain, point out faults, compare the USA to Nazi Germany, and to the more evil Soviet Union (which by the way – according to many sources was extraordinarly worse; by a order of magnitude worse then the Nazis).

    Anyway, to get to my point about your rant…

    Your main point is what?

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    You're right. It will NOT be better living under the boot of the heartless, brutal, "pragmatic" Chinese, where individual people are nothing but ants, if the USA collapses and becomes unable to deter or meaningfully project force outside its borders.

    Nor will it be better living under sharia.

    Neither the Chinese nor the worshippers of the pedophile prophet will hesitate to kill, conquer, and occupy wherever they can if no other major power stands in their way.
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  24. dearieme says:

    ‘the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?’

    Christ, you might at least be accurate. In three hundred years of exploring, colonising, trading, and conquering there must be some genuine atrocities you could discuss. Why discuss fake ones?

    Apartheid was nothing to do with Britain, it was introduced in independent South Africa by an Afrikaner party that won power after WWII.

    The Opium Wars don’t seem to me to be an atrocity: opium was legal in Britain and throughout the Empire. I agree that the wars might be classed as wicked – aggressive war usually is – but they were no atrocity.

    Britain didn’t invent Concentration Camps – in the sense of the expression used by the Nazis, the Nazis invented Concentration Camps. In the sense of the expression used by Britain in the South African war, the camps were simply a copy of the earlier concentration camps used by the US in the Philippines and by Spain in Cuba.

    etc, etc.

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    dearieme, British Lord Kitchener is the architect of concentration camps, during the Boer War. Get yer facts correct or you appear a twat.
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  25. dearieme says:

    “The truth is that the Americans only entered the war when it was clear that the Nazis would be defeated”: your implication of cause-and-effect seems to me to be bogus. The US ‘entered’ the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.

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    The US ‘entered’ the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.
     
    That was merely the technical excuse.

    The US was at economic and propaganda war against Germany long before that declaration.
    For instance, the US broke international laws, treaties and circumvented its own Neutrality Act well prior to Hitler's declaration of war. The concept applies not only for the Atlantic areas, but the Pacific ones as well, where FDR and his crew of ghouls worked overtime to provoke the Japanese militarists to fire the first shot.
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  26. But Saker…you and your White Russian emigre friends don’t seem to have any problems taking advantage of the European conquest of North America.

    If you are going to play the “Evil Whitey” game…then please just leave, and go back to Russia. Perhaps you and your fellow Russians can welcome the millions of Blacks…Mexicans…. Muslims…and Hindus…into Mother Russia so that you can be blessed by our diversity.

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    Saker

    For the record, I agree with the anti-war theme of your post, but unfortunately your veer off into the "EVIL WHITEY' realm. Working Class Native Born White American Teenagers join the US Military "voluntarily" because they have been made economically redundant by post-1965 Immigration Policy. The scale of the nonwhite imported scab labor=Nonwhite Immigrants+the US born geneline of nonwhite legal immigrants.

    The Alt Right Rally in Charlottesville was a protest against post-1965 imported nonwhite scab labor and The Democratic Party which has made an open declaration of war against Christian Russian. The Democratic Party is the post-1965 nonwhite Party in 2017.....
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  27. iffen says:

    This is an ugly and evil country. I am stuck here cause I’m a Murican. If I was of another nationality or citizenship, I would leave this evil and ugly place just for the salving of my soul.

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    It has, indeed, become an evil government and an arrogant, ugly, stupid, perverse, homosexual-worshipping, savage-glorifying, increasingly slothful and unhealthy culture here in the USA.

    But if you travel around the world, you'll see evil and cruelty again and again, perpetrated by those same noble nonwhite nonwestern people who are supposedly always victims and nothing like us horrible Americans. Please. Most of these peoples inflict what they can on other races, tribes, or religions with whatever more-limited technology and organization they can muster.

    , @RadicalCenter
    False. If you really want to leave, you can certainly arrange for permanent residency and eventually citizenship in another country if you work at it. Canada, for one.

    Certainly it is not hard to retire to another country and be welcomed, with income or asset requirements that are often not onerous. Some in Latin America.

    Is it really prohibitively difficult to learn, say, Spanish over the course of several years preparing to leave the us for a Latin American country?

    You and I are still here - for now - because we want to be here more than we want to leave, despite the growing defects and injustices in our culture, economy, and national character.

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  28. CK says:

    1) At Tehran and again at Potsdam, the US and GB gave the Russians an ultimatum. “Join the war against Japan within 90 days of the end of the war in Europe or have no voice in the partition of Asia.” The Russians attacked on the 89th day.
    2) The Russians were preparing to land on Hokkaido as they had already done on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands when the Japanese capitulated.

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    One has to admit that mobilising forces, many of which were war-weary from the European front, to engage in Asia in 89 days is remarkable. To point out that they took 89 of the 90 days to do it is a rather cheap shot.
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  29. @War for Blair Mountain
    But Saker...you and your White Russian emigre friends don't seem to have any problems taking advantage of the European conquest of North America.

    If you are going to play the "Evil Whitey" game...then please just leave, and go back to Russia. Perhaps you and your fellow Russians can welcome the millions of Blacks...Mexicans.... Muslims...and Hindus...into Mother Russia so that you can be blessed by our diversity.

    Saker

    For the record, I agree with the anti-war theme of your post, but unfortunately your veer off into the “EVIL WHITEY’ realm. Working Class Native Born White American Teenagers join the US Military “voluntarily” because they have been made economically redundant by post-1965 Immigration Policy. The scale of the nonwhite imported scab labor=Nonwhite Immigrants+the US born geneline of nonwhite legal immigrants.

    The Alt Right Rally in Charlottesville was a protest against post-1965 imported nonwhite scab labor and The Democratic Party which has made an open declaration of war against Christian Russian. The Democratic Party is the post-1965 nonwhite Party in 2017…..

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  30. Arrrrggghh!

    What a confused mixture of good insight and tiresome parroting of threadbare, hackneyed, Allied propaganda.

    While the intent is clearly good, the overall analysis is so lacking in logic and avoidance of basic facts that it’s impossible to even begin a reasonable criticism.

    The anti-Hitler shtick is particularly appallingly elementary as are the concepts of “victors” history and Nazi propaganda.

    Letter to Saker:

    If you really want people to read your stuff, you should consider employing an editor. Check your facts and assumptions, and most of all tighten it up, especially when repeating ancient propaganda.

    Also, it would help you to educate yourself. Here’s a good start.:

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    - Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    So cut the tiresome Nazi-bashing, will ya?

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  31. I agree with most of this article. Al Qaeda had help inside the US for sure and there was a cover up at the highest levels, but the debris that could be used to test the demolition theory was removed quickly without analysis to China.

    The lowest order of social organization is the band society. Historically they would war against each other. Chimpanzees war against each other. This a hominidae problem at least. Also human society favors narcissist and psychopaths for leaders. The psychopaths lie the US into war for their objective. Narcissist do it because they want to feel good about murdering people so they lie to themselves. This won’t stop unless these groups of people are screened and prevented from reaching positions of power.

    Afghanistan is a disgusting society run by pedophiles. I’m not sympathetic to their way of life. The Taliban at least tried to stop the practice. I would be disappointed if the Iraqis didn’t miss secularism. The Syrians are fighting for their very lives to live in a secular society.

    Modern US is an Empire that is ruled by finance, corporations, and foreign governments such as Israel. The description of the whore of Babylon in the book of Revelations fits Washington D.C. to a T. The internet has documented its crimes and corruption for all to see. The US Empire is not completely incoherent because there are servants in it that are rational and pushing back. It is why the war with Iran has been delayed. The US under Obama sought to use Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. President Trump stopped the support of Al Qaeda in Syria, and challenged the Muslim world to stop using terrorism to solve its problems. Afghanistan war is prolonged but negotiating with the Taliban is an option which is something George W. Bush rejected.

    The American Empire is a hit-man for the well connected, including governments. President Trump has shown interest in having them fund the American Empire since its broke, they do receive some protection from it, but they themselves do not seem to want to fund it. Europe cries about Russia, Gulf States cry about Iran, and Asia cries about China. They are militarily occupied but the American people suffer the expense.

    American Imperium has and does great evil but its a pagan society which is pretty tolerant if you are within its domain with a favorable status. I think those that adopted a pagan capitalist society are at least living comfortably for the most part. I do think a free pagan society is the highest form of human civilization. It is true the US has allied with some nasty belief systems like Nazis, Wahhabist, etc. It will be interesting to see how things pan out once China takes America’s place since it is hostile to religion. Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that the US must be a global policeman and that its poop doesn’t stink. There are those that think other nations poop doesn’t stink. All of the poop stinks.

    The US will decline and will have to give up the Empire unless it figures out a sustainable course, rejects perpetual war in favor of being a counterbalance just from its presence. It also would have to reorient the military industrial complex towards something profitable outside of war profiteering. The US Empire may be replaced with the Chinese one road, one belt project. The US is at a crossroads. We got an Iran deal which is in jeopardy but its amazing that it was made in the first place. In Syria the US hasn’t started World War 3 on behalf of Al Qaeda. The internet is clearly having an affect on the American Empire. It is why there is a rush to censor it. No longer can evil human beings misuse power without everyone else finding out about it. They can’t control the information from reaching the rest of the world now. They will try and people will get around it. The American Empire has a huge bureaucracy and there are a lot of moral human beings in it. The US political class has other problems: it hasn’t won a war since World War II, and economic inequality is having its negative effect on the American people. We got Trump instead of Hillary because half the nation realized the US is in bad shape.

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    Vietnam was a U.S. military victory. Read Snepp's Decent Interval.
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  32. lol jews doesn’t care for genocidal views? Ever hear of the Palestinians? Heck, ever heard Jews speak about Germans or White people in general? I’d say the mainstream view for Jews is pro-genocide. In Israel is pro-Palestinians genocide, and in the Europe Jews are pro-white genocide.

    In pretty much every country stretching from UK to Russia. I doubt many needs to be reminded that 6 out of the 7 oligarch that seized 50% of the Russian economy in the 1990s and inflicted genocidal conditions on Russian of poverty, alcholism, abortion, were jews… And I am not even going to go into the jewish influence in mass-extermination of ethnic Russians and other white slavic groups during the bolshevik rule. For that just read some works of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to understand the jewish view of ethnic christian Russians.

    “Mr. Ignatiev pledges in the essay that his journal, Race Traitor, intends to “keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.””

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/sep/4/20020904-084657-6385r/

    “JEW German politician calls germans nazis and says they must die!”

    Jews will play a leading role in multicultural Europe says Jewish researcher Barbara Spectre

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  33. Well reasoned, well thought-out, thought-provoking piece. Shame it will be dismissed by many as merely pro-Russian propaganda.

    Just a couple comments:

    “If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so.”

    I think in this particular context you are mixing right up with obligation. Many Americans see it as the US having both the right and the obligation to intervene. The two together compose the license.

    “I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America.”

    I have, but only when the objects of scorn were behaving like Amerotrash. In the 30+ years living abroad, I have never personally experienced it, but I try to be on my best behaviour, and sometimes actually succeed.

    “Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”.”

    The comparison to military housing when I served nearly 40 years ago is telling. We should have had it so nice. It’s expensive to keep enough people interested with today’s ops tempo if they have to deal with a screaming family back home, especially now that cheap global telecom has replaced monthly AUTOVON morale calls home.

    “The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.”

    Can’t agree with that, because if America as we know it today collapses, they’re taking the whole world down with them. I would be happy if they simply accepted that this is a multi-polar world with nations that have simetimes competing goals, but full of people who pretty much want the same things in life: Health, happiness, love, entertainment, good food, etc. These things are pretty common across the globe, even in North Korea.

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    "...if America as we know it today collapses, they’re taking the whole world down with them."

    Nonsense! The USSR collapsed with noone else except themselves (and a few of their closest allies) suffering - and with their devoted, unreconciled enemies actually benefiting HUGELY from the collapse. The same should happen with the U.S. empire (except that, in the case of the U.S. empire, you can replace the phrase "their devoted enemies" with "those who have been wronged by the U.S. empire and suffered from its multitude of crimes throughout the decades").

    Or is this a threat?

    , @RadicalCenter
    Beautifully reasoned and written comment, with a balance between appropriate respect for other peoples and cultures, and not hating oneself or favoring others over one's own family and nation as lefties today want us to do.

    But it's dangerously naive to think that almost everyone in the world just wants to be happy, have food and shelter and clothing and family and safety etc. Hundreds of millions of Muslims want to subjugate, intimidate, kill, and do whatever it takes to enforce their vision of life and morality.

    I favor the US getting our troops the hell out of those countries, as well as ending sanctions and droning and other hostilities against Muslim peoples when they are not attacking or preparing to attack us here in our lands. But let's have no illusions about "everyone just wanting the same things in life." Evil bullies who will never leave the rest of us in peace run the US government, and such evil bullies are also widespread and inherent in the intolerant political supremacist cult known as islam (proud imitators of the original evil bully, pedophile mentally ill muhammad.

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  34. @CK
    1) At Tehran and again at Potsdam, the US and GB gave the Russians an ultimatum. "Join the war against Japan within 90 days of the end of the war in Europe or have no voice in the partition of Asia." The Russians attacked on the 89th day.
    2) The Russians were preparing to land on Hokkaido as they had already done on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands when the Japanese capitulated.

    One has to admit that mobilising forces, many of which were war-weary from the European front, to engage in Asia in 89 days is remarkable. To point out that they took 89 of the 90 days to do it is a rather cheap shot.

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    Perhaps, but Saker's exaggeration of the Kwantung Army's capabilities in 1945 (boasting about Soviet military achievements) invites such shots. (Apropos of nothing, but it would appear the Red Army brought their predilection for mass rape from Central Europe to the Far East.)
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    BTW, the Soviets had been building up forces in the Far East after Stalingrad, when it became likely they could participate in an eventual settlement in Asia, it's not like they transferred huge numbers of troops from Berlin overnight.
    , @CK
    No, it is pointing out that they did it early. Not a cheap shot but a praise for a job well done.
    Or,
    If you prefer to admit a bit of soviet control over the ailing Roosevelt; Hiss and White helped con the US president into believing that the USSR was a spent force and could not possibly mobilize and cross from Berlin to Manchuria in 90 days with the millions of men, tanks, artillery, POL, food, meds etc. over the single double tracked railroad in existence in that part of the world.
    The Russians did that with time to spare.
    I submit to you for your approval that the single most important battle in WWII was the battle of Khalkhin Ghol in September of 1939. The Japanese army in Manchuria had its ass handed to it by Zhukov and the Russians. The Japanese and the Russians signed a peace treaty that was renewed yearly until the evening before the Russian attack in 1945. As a result, the USSR was the only nation that did not have to engage in a multiple front war. Russia's enemy came from her west and was sent back the same way. The US's enemies came from her west and her east ditto the British empire, and Japan. China's enemies were from her east and internal. France was an irrelevancy but her empire did have to face internal enemies as well as the Japanese.
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  35. Tom Welsh says:

    “The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war”.

    Sorry, but that is wrong. The USA entered the war on December 11th, 1941. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States_(1941)

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later – incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.

    The battle of Stalingrad lasted from August 23rd, 1942 to January 31st, 1943. The battle of Kursk lasted from July 5th, 1943 to July 17th, 1943. They began eight months and 19 months respectively after the USA entered WW2.

    It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities.

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    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.
    , @Eagle Eye

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later – incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.
     
    The facts stated in support are true - Pearl Harbor happened, and Hitler declared war on the U.S.

    Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was "forced" to enter the war. The U.S. did "choose" to enter the Pacific and European war because FDR and the Communist agents around him (and some Brits) wanted the U.S. to enter the war.

    There is considerable evidence that FDR - always partial to a "get-rich-quick" scheme as noted by his biographer Conrad Black - had advance notice of Pearl Harbor plans and intentionally allowed the operation to proceed (while making sure to U.S. aircraft carriers would be affected). FDR needed a war to stay in office.

    Similarly, Germany does appear to have "declared war" on the U.S. in December 1941. But this "declaration" did not "force" the U.S. to enter the European theater. The U.S. could simply have chosen to stay on the sidelines as it had before December 1941. Again, whatever the military rights and wrongs, the salient fact is that FDR needed a war to stay in office.

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  36. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Thought the ‘SAKER’ was in control of his faculties but after reading this rant, implying that there is no difference between WW II Nazis and Americans, think the Saker has been too long out in the Sun.

    That’s the same toxic BS the violent Judaic-led Antifa Thugs are pushing, that white Americans males are actually secret Nazis and must be exterminated.

    Yet the Saker nor Antifa mention the fact that the Bolshevik Jews, from 1917-1957 murdered around 66 million Russians, mostly Christians who refused to bow down to Godless Communism. Add in the other Commie slaughters and the figure is easily over 100 million.

    This toxic ideology is what the SAKER wants us to follow after his/her Antifa buds tear apart the USA?

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    TheSaker also believes that the black supremacist Malcom X that called white children for blue eyed devils is the greatest american that has ever lived.
    , @Anon
    Leader was Stalin. A Christian.
    , @Thirdeye
    Your numbers are fabrications.
    , @anon
    The bringing the neo-Nazis to power in Ukraine has been done in cooperation between ziocons and neocons.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/17/flashback-that-time-mccain-met-and-praised-actual-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31887-the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made
    http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/03/the-rothschilds-and-ukraine.html
    http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12
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  37. Tom Welsh says:
    @Jason-------
    "The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire."
    ...and replace it with what, another empire? Isn't that what the empire did in Iraq and Afghanistan? What were the results in those places?

    "Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”?"
    Many people do exactly this. I'm one of them.

    "What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?"
    Which side am I supposed to join exactly? Didn't you just get done telling us that all empires are equally evil? Tell you what, until something better comes along, I'll just be on my side.

    “…and replace it with what, another empire?”

    How about… let’s see.. a republic?

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    Any idea where I can find one of those today?
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  38. @5371
    The US didn't have 20 nuclear weapons in 1945, and didn't have 300 in 1949. So neither of those was a practical plan, and nor was the third, even according to its own authors.

    Yes. As per the linked source (Wiki), Plan Totality was a disinformation campaign, a bluff, it was not a concrete military plan. (You could probably say the same about the others as well.) I like Saker’s stuff, but he’s being over-eager here.

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  39. Avalanche says:

    Yup, great propaganda for your side, your skewed version of reality, your heart’s desire to believe about yourself and your people… not QUITE as well-honed as the propaganda used by the both sides in WWII , and everything before and after, but good try! (not.)

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  40. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”.

    Saker, I’m almost 61 years old, born and raised in middle America, have lived and worked in the Northeast, the South, the Southwest – I have never heard that expression.

    Where did you learn that expression?

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  41. ondrej says:
    @utu
    Looks like you had a really rough time with your friends. Think how far out you are from the reality of average Americans.

    I liked the 1st half about all the bandits participating in the WWII. And the history written by the winner.

    I like you assessment of Russia and the unfortunate situation that the perpetrators of Soviet crimes outlived and outbred their victims and nobody is remorseful. If God is just Russia will pay for the omission of atonement for its sins. That Russian pride themselves for defeating the III Reich it is just like bragging among the murders who is the baddest.

    "And when I say “the US” I don’t mean Paul Newman, Mark Twain, Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino, James Taylor..." How many just and righteous men were needed to save Sodom and Gomorrah. Does the US have enough of them? Are you sure Tarantino belongs to the list? Americans are more responsible for the deeds of their Empire than Germans or Russians for III Reich or USSR or at least the ones who insist that they live in true democracy.

    The support, even tacit and passive, of this Empire by people like yourself only delays - Perhaps God should smite only those.

    I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere - Perhaps because many perceive Americans as children who one day will grow up. This might be a benevolent mistake.

    I liked what you insinuated about the US Marines. I would say give them an opportunity an they will demonstrate they are worse than SS and NKVD combined. The training and brainwashing in the ability to kill w/o thinking far exceeds what ever was done in Germany and USSR. On top of it there is complete absence of warrior chivalry, that one could still spot even among some SS but not in NKVD, that was completely replaced with that American pragmatism that knows no mercy and no true honor.

    and I forgot our Balt and Ukrainian friends (but then, they were also happy when the Nazis came, hardly much of an example) - No, that is very good example on the awfulness of Soviet regime and its crimes that many were willing rather to go with the Nazis. In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    Because if you answered “yes” then you are truly messianic genocidal imperialists. - Excellent point!

    In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    You hardly now anything about so called Eastern Europe during and shortly 2. ww. Eastern Europe is propagandistic term of cold war, probably referring to nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with geographical realities.

    Several of my friends including myself often make a point out to our colleagues in Vienna that they are Eastern of Prague, Yet – that consider themselves proudly Western city.

    Speaking of Eastern of Vienna there was Hungary south Romania, hardly waiting for liberation of U.S. army as proud members of AXIS.

    Speaking of Yugoslavia resistance and partizan movement was hardly waiting for US liberation.

    Speaking Czechoslovakia – major uprising of Slovak army in Slovakia was coordinating and waiting for Red Army to get trough Dukla pass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_National_Uprising

    I will not be speaking on behalf of Poland where it was more difficult for various reasons

    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you…

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    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you…

    That's okay, nothing wrong with that, everybody needs to dream.

    However, some did not dream of being liberated by the Red Army, and some that were dreaming that dream found it to be a nightmare instead of a dream.

    I am old enough to remember when Germans shot other Germans for trying to escape "the dream." It hasn't even been thirty years yet. No "history" books or "propaganda" needed.
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  42. Ghost says:
    @Erebus
    As good a rant as ever I've read.
    Picking a nit here.

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.
     
    As many, even in the US, realize the "Empire's" days are numbered, the best thing would be to abandon the Empire, rather than waiting for it to collapse.

    Conscious abandonment frees resources for rebuilding the country, and suggests it could be managed for minimum impact. A belly landing at best, but eminently survivable with luck and skill at the controls. Collapse, if delayed much longer, is shaping up to be catastrophic for the US, and highly disruptive for the rest of the world, and that's assuming we avoid anybody going nuclear.

    Active, managed abandonment of the Empire is what the people voted for. Collapse is what it looks like they'll get. Not "best" at all, and maybe very, very bad.

    Erebus: I agree. EMPIRE is collapsing. Too late, I think, to manage anything.

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    You may be right, but we both hope you're wrong, eh?

    Drastic changes, done gradually, might still effect a managed decline and reorganization of the us gov and society, rather than a collapse at home or abroad, tho admittedly the hour is getting late in financial and cultural terms.

    Gradual withdrawal of US troops from Japan, Germany, South Korea, Kuwait, etc., coupled with those countries doing whatever they think they need to do to deter potential aggressors such as China.

    Gradual reduction in US military spending and domestic spending alike. Just two or three percent per year, done mostly by attrition and buyouts rather than firing, to lessen the impact on soldiers and other gov employees and their families and towns.

    Plenty of ways to save or raise a few billions here, a few tens of billions there, without lowering the quality of life or impairing the liberty of American citizens. Make noncitizens ineligible for just about any gov program or benefit other than unemployment or truly urgent emergency medical care. Repeal Fed prohibition of marijuana and levy an excise tax, sending revenue to gov rather than gangs and growers here and in Mexico. End birthright citizenship and chain migration from the third world, which contibute enormously to the growth of our welfare dependent class. Tax remittances sent to people in foreign countries, as trump wisely proposed in his otherwise typical fluff campaign book. Require federal employees to pay a higher proportion,of their medical insurance premiums, increasing their share by just one percent per year over the next twenty years (currently the fed taxpayers cover more than seventy percent of fed employees Med insurance premiums, I think, but some fed employees can correct me if that is no longer the case.... and many more gradual reductions that don't entail things like abolishing or severely curtailing Medicaid or Medicare.

    No radical overnight changes for us citizens proposed here, but some acknowledgement of the reality of our limited financial and Human Resources and an effort every year to slightly lessen our gov's commitments. First and foremost, phase out our subsidy of non citizens here, our subsidy of corporations or unions, and our subsidy of governments and militaries abroad. Big changes that will in time save big money, without adversely affecting the great majority of American citizens.

    Admittedly, if trump and a Repub congress won't even get started on gradual economic and militsry retrenchment, it may not happen in time to save us, or ever. But that's what we can do to aim for a managed decline and reform, rather than a collapse.

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  43. @Heros
    Saker, from deep within his Russo-Soviet, Intelligence Community, and now apparently Judaic bubble as well, chastises Americans for being in their own Yankee-doodle propaganda bubble. A pox on all of them.

    The Jewish-bolschevics won the cold war. The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now. Each with a different flavored frosting of democracy.

    Saker manages to dance around Nuremburg and the "Holocaust". He never mentions lend lease and all the other illegal activities led by the cabal without which Stalin, Moscow and the USSR would not have survived the winter of 1941/2 let alone achieved victory.

    Unfortunately for Saker, you cannot have an honest discussion of the last 100 years of history without bringing up Freemasonry, Judaism and other sinister forces and the effects they had on WWI, Versailles, Poland 1939, the "Holocaust", Nuremburg and most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    Otherwise Saker is merely spewing narrative at one propaganda bubble from within another one.

    OMG! Please contribute more!

    You said more in 200 words than the columnist did in 5300, and I’m generally in sympathy with the author’s apparent motives.

    For instance, how many people know this:

    …most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    For those new to the idea, here’s a quote from a very well written article that is highly worth anyone’s time in my ever so humble opinion.

    70 years ago (August 9, 1945) an all-Christian bomber crew [blessed prior to takeoff by Christian clergy] dropped a plutonium bomb over Nagasaki City, Japan, instantly vaporizing, incinerating or otherwise annihilating tens of thousands of innocent civilians, a disproportionately large number of them Japanese Christians.

    Ironically, prior to the bomb exploding nearly directly over the Urakami Cathedral at 11:02 AM, Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan, and the massive cathedral was the largest Christian church in the Orient.

    -Gary G. Kohls, The 70th Anniversary of the Bombing of Nagasaki, Unwelcome Truths for Church and State, Aug 2015.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/08/gary-g-kohls/the-70th-anniversary-of-the-bombing-of-nagasaki/

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    Hmm.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what "Francis" says about violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    If Japan had a big RCC presence now, they might be flooded by 3rd world mass immigration.
    Just speculation, I know.
    And not the way to stop the global plague of mass immigration.

    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem, causing more long-term harm than the two atom bombs dropped on Japan.
    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.
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  44. @Greg Bacon
    Thought the 'SAKER' was in control of his faculties but after reading this rant, implying that there is no difference between WW II Nazis and Americans, think the Saker has been too long out in the Sun.

    That's the same toxic BS the violent Judaic-led Antifa Thugs are pushing, that white Americans males are actually secret Nazis and must be exterminated.

    Yet the Saker nor Antifa mention the fact that the Bolshevik Jews, from 1917-1957 murdered around 66 million Russians, mostly Christians who refused to bow down to Godless Communism. Add in the other Commie slaughters and the figure is easily over 100 million.


    This toxic ideology is what the SAKER wants us to follow after his/her Antifa buds tear apart the USA?

    TheSaker also believes that the black supremacist Malcom X that called white children for blue eyed devils is the greatest american that has ever lived.

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    Much like the Russia Today tv station and website babble on about American mistreatment of those poor noble African-"Americans" who are merely minding their own business when cops attack them -- while none of the writers, editors, producers live in a majority-black or even plurality-black neighborhood or city.

    Easy for Russians like RT and Saker to spout about how to deal with that population when they are safely far away from them.
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  45. @Jason-------
    "The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire."
    ...and replace it with what, another empire? Isn't that what the empire did in Iraq and Afghanistan? What were the results in those places?

    "Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”?"
    Many people do exactly this. I'm one of them.

    "What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?"
    Which side am I supposed to join exactly? Didn't you just get done telling us that all empires are equally evil? Tell you what, until something better comes along, I'll just be on my side.

    …and replace it with what, another empire?

    Why replace it at all? Why not just be rid of it?

    If you just got rid of a bad case of hemorrhoids, why would you want to replace them with anything? Wouldn’t you be happy just to be rid of ‘em? Explain?

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    Nature abhors a vacuum. If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can't just "get rid of it". It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form. I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it's roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets...and it's our own fault as a species.
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  46. The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.

    Beg to differ.

    The best thing that could happen to this country would be to end immigration.

    See VDARE dot com for all the reasons why and supporting data.

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  47. @Robert Magill

    Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.
     
    The German elite in this era believed they were practicing 'good science' by these actions. In fact they were by the standards of the pseudo science of Eugenics which was supported universally by leading figures in the West. The Nazis began this purge with German citizens deemed faulty and a threat to humanity long before attention was focused on Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc etc. The shock of the camps and the actions at Nuremberg put an end to Eugenics except in the US where it continued. Actually Eugenics was the horror child birthed in the US and UK.


    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    [Choose a single Handle and use it, or Anonymous/Anon. Using multiple Handles to conceal your identity will get all your comments trashed.]

    ” pseudo science of Eugenics”

    -There is no psuedo-science, it is well established since before recorded history that if you breed individual with desirable traits these traits will likely be passed on and increase in the population. Eugenics is just this basic knowledge applied to humans, which of course are animals and subject to the hereditary.

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  48. @The Alarmist
    One has to admit that mobilising forces, many of which were war-weary from the European front, to engage in Asia in 89 days is remarkable. To point out that they took 89 of the 90 days to do it is a rather cheap shot.

    Perhaps, but Saker’s exaggeration of the Kwantung Army’s capabilities in 1945 (boasting about Soviet military achievements) invites such shots. (Apropos of nothing, but it would appear the Red Army brought their predilection for mass rape from Central Europe to the Far East.)

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  49. @Serge Krieger
    Very well written and emotionally charged piece by Sacker. Despite disagreeing with him mostly on Soviet past and whitewashing of Islam I see good in him. Now, I will try to be brief but making Soviet regime equal in evilness to the mentioned Nazi and US regimes is completely false and mostly comes form Sacker's background.
    First thing that should never be missed is that unlike Nazi and US regimes Soviet regime never committed genocides. All those fair tales about tens of millions killed in Gulag and elsewhere with opened archives are pure bogus, nor did Russians and Soviets committed genocides against populations under their control in new acquired lands. Central Asia had extremely low population when taken over by Russia. Under Soviet rule that population ballooned out of all proportions due to extremely favorable conditions created. I know, I lived there for 20 years.
    It should never be forgotten that Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years leading to their mental and physical degeneration and huge deformities of Russian character which are still there even after decades of Soviet power to tackle it. By every definition Russian peasants were not serfs but slaves who could be sold, families broken and gambled away of exchanged for dogs.
    Lenin and Stalin had to do with extremely low level of human material available to them , which was uplifted basically from the dirt, educated and provided with things necessary for decent life which they never experienced before. This regime cannot be called evil. USSR did not commit evil against other countries and actually propped and helped other third world nations to build their own countries unfortunately at the expense of our own people.
    The last but not the least, were there not Bolsheviks, Russia would seize to exist as thanks to pre Bolsheviks regime, old regime led Russia to certain death by 1917. Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia without Lenin and Bolsheviks coming along and the death of millions of European people and Jews. How this regime can be called evil. I have no clue.
    Otherwise, I often agree with Sacker and consider him a good man.

    Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia…

    And knowing what we should all know about Marxists and the banker backed Reds of the times, plus the jealousies of the petulant, dictatorial, showtime morons, Churchill, and FDR and others like them, and the prior actions of the major colonial powers, I’d say the anti-Red Germans were the ones who faced annihilation and subjugation by the Big Three, (Please note that they were called that for some very good reasons.), and subsequent history bears that out.

    So enough with the “dangeorus Nazis” cliches, OK?

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    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.
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  50. @The Alarmist
    One has to admit that mobilising forces, many of which were war-weary from the European front, to engage in Asia in 89 days is remarkable. To point out that they took 89 of the 90 days to do it is a rather cheap shot.

    BTW, the Soviets had been building up forces in the Far East after Stalingrad, when it became likely they could participate in an eventual settlement in Asia, it’s not like they transferred huge numbers of troops from Berlin overnight.

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  51. Always refreshing to hear from The Saker who is more solidly anchored to reality than most.

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  52. @jacques sheete
    OMG! Please contribute more!

    You said more in 200 words than the columnist did in 5300, and I'm generally in sympathy with the author's apparent motives.

    For instance, how many people know this:


    ...most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.
     
    For those new to the idea, here's a quote from a very well written article that is highly worth anyone's time in my ever so humble opinion.

    70 years ago (August 9, 1945) an all-Christian bomber crew [blessed prior to takeoff by Christian clergy] dropped a plutonium bomb over Nagasaki City, Japan, instantly vaporizing, incinerating or otherwise annihilating tens of thousands of innocent civilians, a disproportionately large number of them Japanese Christians.

    Ironically, prior to the bomb exploding nearly directly over the Urakami Cathedral at 11:02 AM, Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan, and the massive cathedral was the largest Christian church in the Orient.

    -Gary G. Kohls, The 70th Anniversary of the Bombing of Nagasaki, Unwelcome Truths for Church and State, Aug 2015.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/08/gary-g-kohls/the-70th-anniversary-of-the-bombing-of-nagasaki/

     

    Hmm.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what “Francis” says about violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    If Japan had a big RCC presence now, they might be flooded by 3rd world mass immigration.
    Just speculation, I know.
    And not the way to stop the global plague of mass immigration.

    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem, causing more long-term harm than the two atom bombs dropped on Japan.
    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.

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    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem,
     
    Many Palestinians would probably agree.

    I think the number one world problem is the clique of bored, depraved bankers with too much time on their bloody paws

    For details see TW's comment #73.
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  53. @dearieme
    "The truth is that the Americans only entered the war when it was clear that the Nazis would be defeated": your implication of cause-and-effect seems to me to be bogus. The US 'entered' the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.

    The US ‘entered’ the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.

    That was merely the technical excuse.

    The US was at economic and propaganda war against Germany long before that declaration.
    For instance, the US broke international laws, treaties and circumvented its own Neutrality Act well prior to Hitler’s declaration of war. The concept applies not only for the Atlantic areas, but the Pacific ones as well, where FDR and his crew of ghouls worked overtime to provoke the Japanese militarists to fire the first shot.

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    Benn Steil’s book, The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order,  -notes that, as a result of White’s fierce lobbying, FDR “authorized [Secretary of State] Hull to present the Japanese with what became known as the Ten-Point Note
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/17147-the-communist-agent-who-caused-pearl-harbor-and-global-economic-havoc
    An alarmed Kurusu told Hull that the Japanese government would ‘throw up its hands’ if presented with such a response to their truce proposal. Hull did not waiver. The collision course had been set.”
    And Soviet agent Harry Dexter White had set that course. Steil comments:
    That White was the author of the key ultimatum demands is beyond dispute. That the Japanese government made the decision to move forward with the Pearl Harbor strike after receiving the ultimatum is also beyond dispute.
    Steil notes that “the Soviets, American allies in the European war, were anxious to ensure that such an attack did take place.” He quotes Soviet spymaster Vladimir Karpov in this regard:
    ¥ “The war in the Pacific could have been avoided,” wrote retired GRU military intelligence colonel and World War II “Hero of the Soviet Union” Vladimir Karpov in 2000, nearly sixty years after Pearl Harbor. “Stalin was the real initiator of the ultimatum to Japan,” he insisted. Harry Dexter White was acting in accordance with a design initiated by [NKVD intelligence official Iskhak] Akhmerov and Pavlov,” Karpov argued. “[White] prepared the aide-memoire for signature by Morgenthau and President Roosevelt.” The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name, “Operation Snow,” snow referring to White. “[T]he essence of ‘Operation Snow’ was to provoke the war between the Empire of the Rising Sun and the USA and to insure the interests of the Soviet Union in the Far East.... If Japan was engaged in a war against the USA it would have no resources to strike against the USSR."
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  54. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The sad reality is that the US intervention in Europe was a simple land-grab,

    That’s pretty much all of it. The Germans and Soviets grabbed as much as they could so it’s just a matter of who is more successful at grabbing the most. Being under the Americans pays the best unlike the other two who work you to death or kill you outright. The moral angle is just a way of fancying things up and only deluded low-level munchkins believe any of that rot. That’s the way it’s always been with most empires. Which ruler gives you the higher standard of living?

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  55. @Heros
    Saker, from deep within his Russo-Soviet, Intelligence Community, and now apparently Judaic bubble as well, chastises Americans for being in their own Yankee-doodle propaganda bubble. A pox on all of them.

    The Jewish-bolschevics won the cold war. The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now. Each with a different flavored frosting of democracy.

    Saker manages to dance around Nuremburg and the "Holocaust". He never mentions lend lease and all the other illegal activities led by the cabal without which Stalin, Moscow and the USSR would not have survived the winter of 1941/2 let alone achieved victory.

    Unfortunately for Saker, you cannot have an honest discussion of the last 100 years of history without bringing up Freemasonry, Judaism and other sinister forces and the effects they had on WWI, Versailles, Poland 1939, the "Holocaust", Nuremburg and most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    Otherwise Saker is merely spewing narrative at one propaganda bubble from within another one.

    The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now.

    Hmm.
    Look at who are the prime-movers behind dangerous, nation-wrecking mass-immigration.

    This is one place where Catholics and Evangelicals are buying into the same line of propaganda.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what “Francis” says, approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    Evangelicals and “Main Line” Protestants are just as bad, profiteering from US-taxpayer-funded “refugee resettlement.”

    We all need to understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem.

    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.

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    approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU
     
    In an article detailing the unabashed Evil of your beloved lily white kind, you bring up the relatively minor violence of migrating Moslems and Africans, as the "number one world problem."

    You of course conveniently ignore the reason for the migration... the evil greed and psychopathy of your kind. Read the article again, you old fool.

    But, the likes of you will never ever see it.

    It is the reason why hell exists... must exist.

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  56. @Tom Welsh
    "…and replace it with what, another empire?"

    How about... let's see.. a republic?

    Any idea where I can find one of those today?

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    Switzerland? Uruguay? Mostly small nations without any pretensions to supremacy. The trouble nowadays is that there are far too many people, far too much wealth, far too many weapons, and far far far too much propaganda - most of it exceptionally successful. Not because the propaganda is believable, but because the sheeple just don't care.

    Wealth and power attract the filthiest fractions of humanity like flies to honey. The bigger the concentration of wealth and power, the more and the more degraded the human filth that congregates.
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  57. @jacques sheete

    …and replace it with what, another empire?
     
    Why replace it at all? Why not just be rid of it?

    If you just got rid of a bad case of hemorrhoids, why would you want to replace them with anything? Wouldn't you be happy just to be rid of 'em? Explain?

    Nature abhors a vacuum. If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can’t just “get rid of it”. It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form. I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it’s roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets…and it’s our own fault as a species.

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    Nature abhors a vacuum.
     
    Nature probably also abhors human institutions and would probably prefer a vacuum if one would ensue after the collapse of the (particularly disgusting) 'Merkin empire. Humans and their societies existed before empires and the threat of a vacuum probably didn't exist then, and shouldn't now.

    If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can’t just “get rid of it”. It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form.
     
    True, but I'd like to emphasize that's the type of reasoning that leads to arms races and wars, but your next comments are right on target, and I agree completely.

    I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it’s roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets…and it’s our own fault as a species.
     
    What really torques me is that all are to blame to some degree, yet most persist in thinking their behavior is immaculate and justified. The rank hypocrisy and distorted finger pointing stinks as well, along with the idea that politicians and governments exist to make things better. Where do folks get their faith?

    Anyway, I'd prefer nothing over emerods! ;)

    , @RadicalCenter
    Is there a button for "wish I could say you're wrong but I can't"?
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  58. KenH says:
    @nickels
    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler's big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill's jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain's goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

    Early in his career David Irving believed that six million Jews were “systematically” killed by the Nazis. But later he reversed himself upon more research into the matter and has held firm even after withering assaults on his reputation and character.

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    Yes, it seems that the 6 million figure is a lie. It was actually 5, 999, 999.
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  59. iffen says:
    @ondrej
    In 1945 everybody in Eastern Europe was dreaming to be liberated by Americans instead of by the Red Army.

    You hardly now anything about so called Eastern Europe during and shortly 2. ww. Eastern Europe is propagandistic term of cold war, probably referring to nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with geographical realities.


    Several of my friends including myself often make a point out to our colleagues in Vienna that they are Eastern of Prague, Yet - that consider themselves proudly Western city.

    Speaking of Eastern of Vienna there was Hungary south Romania, hardly waiting for liberation of U.S. army as proud members of AXIS.

    Speaking of Yugoslavia resistance and partizan movement was hardly waiting for US liberation.

    Speaking Czechoslovakia - major uprising of Slovak army in Slovakia was coordinating and waiting for Red Army to get trough Dukla pass.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_National_Uprising

    I will not be speaking on behalf of Poland where it was more difficult for various reasons

    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you...

    So, my grand parents were waiting for Red Army and not dreaming about US I can assure you…

    That’s okay, nothing wrong with that, everybody needs to dream.

    However, some did not dream of being liberated by the Red Army, and some that were dreaming that dream found it to be a nightmare instead of a dream.

    I am old enough to remember when Germans shot other Germans for trying to escape “the dream.” It hasn’t even been thirty years yet. No “history” books or “propaganda” needed.

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  60. I took this article seriously until I got down to the “Nazi regime in the Ukraine”. At that point, I realised that it was just pro-Putin propaganda. I don’t see how any of this, even if it were true, affects the right of the Ukrainian people to have their own sovereign nation-state. The sovereign nation-state, or the aspiration to it, has been the fundamental building block of the European political order since the French Revolution. The problem with Putin is that he rejects that concept and is seeking to resurrect the pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence”.

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    So the US gov doesn't recognize and jealously guard its own sphere of influence? How would we react if Russia placed troops "in our backyard" just over the border in Canada or Mexico, as we have done with us and NATO troops in Eastern Europe? Try to tell us that the US gov would say "oh, we don't want to go back to those pre-1789 spheres of influence."
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  61. iffen says:
    @KenH
    Early in his career David Irving believed that six million Jews were "systematically" killed by the Nazis. But later he reversed himself upon more research into the matter and has held firm even after withering assaults on his reputation and character.

    Yes, it seems that the 6 million figure is a lie. It was actually 5, 999, 999.

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    The original four million death toll at Auschwitz was Soviet propaganda. Numbers have been drastically revised downward with the death toll ranging from as low as 630K to 1.1 million. If we use the latter figure it means your vaunted six million gets reduced to three million which is still too high.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html

    The dubious claims of six million dead means that holocaust museums should be closed and demolished much like the Jewish funded and led left is finding pretexts to destroy monuments and icon to confederate history. Besides, Jewish holocaust memorials and museums have no place on U.S. soil since this nation had nothing to do with hardships experienced by Jews in WWII.
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  62. Avery says:

    {…..and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.}

    Saker, why are you whitewashing what the Nazis planned to do?
    The plan was to exterminate nearly all Slavic peoples in East Europe and SU East of the Urals to make room for Lebensraum for the alleged* Master Race.

    ALL Slavic peoples, not just the intelligentsia.

    Didn’t Nazi invaders murder and kill ~15 million Soviet _civilians_, or is that a myth.

    ______
    *
    You know, like Goebbels, a club-footed scrawny runt, who murdered his 5 children, before offing himself.
    Or Goering, a drug-addict overweight swine, who also offed himself.
    Or Himmler, a myopic weakling, with a malformed skull, who couldn’t stand the sight of bloodshed. Instead of going down fighting, he was caught trying to flee like a rat. Also offed himself.

    And Hitler himself: 6’3″ tall, perfect physic, blond hair, deep blue eyes…..such an ‘Aryan’. He also committed suicide, instead of going down fighting.

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    Avery...

    But, but, but what about da roads, man!??

    I believe that recently you tried to convince me of the need for government on the basis of all the nice goodies they provided, especially roads, now here you are criticizing the Nazis, when in point of fact, the Nazis were far ahead of most, in caring for their own people and providing for them the nice things in life.

    In fact, the Nazis comparatively speedily built an autobahn system that was copied by the Americans only decades later.

    The Nazis were very far ahead in the area of taking care of their workers as well, which was an embarrassment to the socially backward American and Soviet systems, both of which were much closer to slave labor camps than Nazi Germany was at least until Churchill provoked the war which even he admitted was unnecessary.

    So, back to the road argument, (not that it's a valid one),you may want to change your view of Nazis.

    Regarding Nazi vs "Allied" civil rights, here's how Mencken put it. :


    The [single] bloody Hitler purge that made such a sensation in the summer of 1934 is, [and has been], [often] duplicated in Russia at close intervals, and if it were not for the army there would undoubtedly be rebellions on a large scale, and in all parts of [our ally, Russia]. To prevent such works of Satan the Moscow Mussolinis keep 9oo,ooo yokels under arms, with an enormous outfit of tanks, airplanes, and artillery, and missionaries in every squad to preach the Only True Faith. The American pacifists, always easily gulled, compare this formidable host to the band of Boy Scouts that Richard the Lion-Hearted led up the walls of Acre. It is actually much more like the corps of mine guards in the Pennsylvania coal fields.

    -H.L. Mencken, The Reds and Civil Rights, The American Mercury, July 1936, pp. 284-289
    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1936jul-00284

     

    , @jacques sheete
    Ooops! I made a mistake.

    It was Alden, not you, who made that argument. Please accept my apologies!
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  63. Oh look, a jew claiming White settlement of the continent was genocide

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  64. Apartheid was no ‘atrocity’, British or otherwise.

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  65. @Robert Magill

    Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.
     
    The German elite in this era believed they were practicing 'good science' by these actions. In fact they were by the standards of the pseudo science of Eugenics which was supported universally by leading figures in the West. The Nazis began this purge with German citizens deemed faulty and a threat to humanity long before attention was focused on Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc etc. The shock of the camps and the actions at Nuremberg put an end to Eugenics except in the US where it continued. Actually Eugenics was the horror child birthed in the US and UK.


    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Are you implying the moral superiority of dysgenics?

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  66. I trust never to have social relations with the Saker, were an epistolary effusion such as this to be the reward.

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  67. KA says:
    @jacques sheete

    The US ‘entered’ the war against Hitler because Hitler declared war on the US.
     
    That was merely the technical excuse.

    The US was at economic and propaganda war against Germany long before that declaration.
    For instance, the US broke international laws, treaties and circumvented its own Neutrality Act well prior to Hitler's declaration of war. The concept applies not only for the Atlantic areas, but the Pacific ones as well, where FDR and his crew of ghouls worked overtime to provoke the Japanese militarists to fire the first shot.

    Benn Steil’s book, The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order,  -notes that, as a result of White’s fierce lobbying, FDR “authorized [Secretary of State] Hull to present the Japanese with what became known as the Ten-Point Note

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/17147-the-communist-agent-who-caused-pearl-harbor-and-global-economic-havoc

    An alarmed Kurusu told Hull that the Japanese government would ‘throw up its hands’ if presented with such a response to their truce proposal. Hull did not waiver. The collision course had been set.”
    And Soviet agent Harry Dexter White had set that course. Steil comments:
    That White was the author of the key ultimatum demands is beyond dispute. That the Japanese government made the decision to move forward with the Pearl Harbor strike after receiving the ultimatum is also beyond dispute.
    Steil notes that “the Soviets, American allies in the European war, were anxious to ensure that such an attack did take place.” He quotes Soviet spymaster Vladimir Karpov in this regard:
    ¥ “The war in the Pacific could have been avoided,” wrote retired GRU military intelligence colonel and World War II “Hero of the Soviet Union” Vladimir Karpov in 2000, nearly sixty years after Pearl Harbor. “Stalin was the real initiator of the ultimatum to Japan,” he insisted. Harry Dexter White was acting in accordance with a design initiated by [NKVD intelligence official Iskhak] Akhmerov and Pavlov,” Karpov argued. “[White] prepared the aide-memoire for signature by Morgenthau and President Roosevelt.” The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name, “Operation Snow,” snow referring to White. “[T]he essence of ‘Operation Snow’ was to provoke the war between the Empire of the Rising Sun and the USA and to insure the interests of the Soviet Union in the Far East…. If Japan was engaged in a war against the USA it would have no resources to strike against the USSR.”

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    All Bullshit. There was a blockade placed on Japan and it prevented them from importing oil.
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  68. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Thirdeye
    Overall valid thesis undone by the inclusion of a bunch of extraneous and erroneous rubbish, from the supposed "polygenocide" to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I think The Saker's heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.

    “Saker’s heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.”

    The heart seems a little dislocated at times, here for example, but generally I’d say “Amen” to the above statement.

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  69. KA says:
    @CensoredByTheSaker
    "the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, "

    -This is not really true, they waited until 1947, after starving and tortured the German civilian population for 2 years under the Morgenthau Plan, which actually was quite a nice treatment, compared to the initial Morgenthau Plan that wanted to exterminate 20 million German civilians.(Morgenthau was a jew btw, another genocidal one, go figure)

    The reason the allies stopped starving the German civilians was not due to their high moral standards however, they were just worried the German civilians would rather live under soviet where they were allowed to eaten then live under USA and starve to death.

    “If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.” .
     McCullough, David (15 June 1992). Truman. New York, New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 262.
    Truman made this remark after hearing that Hitler had invaded Soviet Russia.

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    That was pretty much the Anglo-French war plan - wait for Germany and the Soviet Union to go to war and bleed each other dry, then sweep over Europe. It was undone by the little oopsie of having France knocked out of the war first.
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  70. Avery says:
    @nickels
    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler's big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill's jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain's goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU – Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, ‘enslave’ East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,….
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, ‘liberated’ by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (…it sure isn’t Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While ‘enlightened’, ‘liberated’ Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the ‘Free World’.

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    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

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    Spoken like another amateur Stalinist / communist / Zionist apologist.
    You talk because you have a mouth. You are laughable

    The Allies did succeed in turning over 1/2 of Europe to the communists, see map.
    Some 'victory' that was.

    The USSR underwent a massive arms build up in it's plan to invade Germany.

    Debate here and get smacked own:
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999


    "Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché."
    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966
    http://mises.org/daily/2592
     

    , @Mulegino1
    The largest invasion force in recorded history was staging in offensive formations in the Bialystok and Lvov salients. The bulk of the Soviet front line airforce was sitting on tarmacs wingtip to wingtip in very close proximity to the western frontiers (most of it was destroyed on June 22, 1941). The most powerful army in the world, the 9th Rifle Corps, was deploying on the Romanian border within easy striking distance of the Romanian oil fields. Large numbers of light infantry were being deployed in the Carpathians; the Danube Flotilla was preparing to sortie.

    It is only the fact that the Soviet forces were caught while staging for an unprecedented invasion of Central Europe that can possibly explain the vast envelopments achieved by the Wehrmacht and its allies in the first few weeks and months of Barbarossa. Had they been deployed in defensive formations in depth, the Germans would have never been able to breach the Stalin Line.

    Hitler quite candidly admitted to Mannerheim that he knew that Barbarossa was a desperate gamble and that his armed forces were not equipped to wage a winter war or a war of attrition with an enemy as powerful as the USSR, but he gave the order anyway, as he knew that had the Soviets struck first and seized the Romanian oil fields, the Wehrmacht would have had a two weeks or so supply of petrol and all of its mechanized units to a halt. With nothing in its way, the gargantuan Soviet invasion force would have engulfed the European continent like a tsunami.
    , @nickels
    Whether Hitler was Mother Theresa herself or the almighty devil is beside the point.
    The point is accurate history, not allied lies.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    You seem unaware that the SU defeated Finland in the Winter War and extracted substantial territorial and economic gains (despite heavy losses, to be sure). Can you please remind us why you expect anyone to take you seriously?
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  71. The genocide of the Indians by the Americans was inevitable. An immigrant who makes a dangerous crossing into new country with few comforts just for food security (land for growing food) and right to practice a religion with no spiritual component, but conformity with neighbors – will always find reasons for genocide.
    All this happened at the time of the industrial revolution and with inputs from the old world along with their own ingenuity, it made America a power to reckon with, more so with its sparsely populated northern neighbor and a backward Latin Mexico. Two huge oceans made it an impregnable fortress.
    Capitalism and the systematic capture of the political system by big money has made it an empire.
    This will end badly, not just for the US but the whole world.
    I give it a year or twenty.

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  72. @Jason-------
    Nature abhors a vacuum. If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can't just "get rid of it". It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form. I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it's roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets...and it's our own fault as a species.

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Nature probably also abhors human institutions and would probably prefer a vacuum if one would ensue after the collapse of the (particularly disgusting) ‘Merkin empire. Humans and their societies existed before empires and the threat of a vacuum probably didn’t exist then, and shouldn’t now.

    If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can’t just “get rid of it”. It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form.

    True, but I’d like to emphasize that’s the type of reasoning that leads to arms races and wars, but your next comments are right on target, and I agree completely.

    I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it’s roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets…and it’s our own fault as a species.

    What really torques me is that all are to blame to some degree, yet most persist in thinking their behavior is immaculate and justified. The rank hypocrisy and distorted finger pointing stinks as well, along with the idea that politicians and governments exist to make things better. Where do folks get their faith?

    Anyway, I’d prefer nothing over emerods! ;)

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    You are and American and trying to opt out. The Saker did not point at ordinary Americans but I guess reading about American interventions around the world makes you uneasy and you don't want to face the facts.
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  73. Tom Welsh says:
    @Jason-------
    Any idea where I can find one of those today?

    Switzerland? Uruguay? Mostly small nations without any pretensions to supremacy. The trouble nowadays is that there are far too many people, far too much wealth, far too many weapons, and far far far too much propaganda – most of it exceptionally successful. Not because the propaganda is believable, but because the sheeple just don’t care.

    Wealth and power attract the filthiest fractions of humanity like flies to honey. The bigger the concentration of wealth and power, the more and the more degraded the human filth that congregates.

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    a word a coined

    Error

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  75. @jacques sheete

    Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia...
     
    And knowing what we should all know about Marxists and the banker backed Reds of the times, plus the jealousies of the petulant, dictatorial, showtime morons, Churchill, and FDR and others like them, and the prior actions of the major colonial powers, I'd say the anti-Red Germans were the ones who faced annihilation and subjugation by the Big Three, (Please note that they were called that for some very good reasons.), and subsequent history bears that out.

    So enough with the "dangeorus Nazis" cliches, OK?

    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.

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    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.
     
    Obviously I have valid views on real history.
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  76. Kris says:

    Key difference between the American, Nazi, and Soviet empires: in the Nazi and Soviet empires, one would not be permitted to write articles against them.

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  77. What aggravates the problem is the fact that US is not just an Empire – it’s a highjacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the highjackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on, and the number of those daring to speak out against the army of super-powerful and well-organized criminals is even less.
    And wars, aggressions, revolutions, etc. in the last 200 years often (if not always) were initiated not by the nominal governments (or by their opponents) but by the hidden global forces, whose presence nowadays, thanks to the Internet, is impossible to deny.
    These forces influence all governments across the globe, at least to some degree (even the North Korean), and their methods of control vary from exclusively financial to pure criminal.
    The very special role of US in that scheme of things stems from the fact that after a certain point in 20-th century, willingly or unwillingly, it has become the most powerful and the most controllable military and financial tool in the hands of global criminals.
    So, the best thing that can happen to US (and every other country in this world) would be the deliverance from these nasty and sticky “puppet-masters”.
    Unfortunately, there’s a tiny chance that it may happen by itself or without grave complications. Primarily because these “puppet-masters”, in addition to all other negative features, are truly sick maniacs.

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    AB Anonymous, your post is spot on.
    I totally agree with your statement when you say 'US is not just an Empire – it’s a hijacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the hijackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on. "
    And thank you for the new label 'Global Criminals'.
    Thankfully the petrodollar is being abandoned and the days of the Saudi, Israeli, UK, Aussie American hegemony will end.
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  78. @Tom Welsh
    "The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war".

    Sorry, but that is wrong. The USA entered the war on December 11th, 1941. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States_(1941)

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later - incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.

    The battle of Stalingrad lasted from August 23rd, 1942 to January 31st, 1943. The battle of Kursk lasted from July 5th, 1943 to July 17th, 1943. They began eight months and 19 months respectively after the USA entered WW2.

    It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities.

    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

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    "The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!!"

    I'm aware of that, since my father was one of the British soldiers. However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that "the Russians were allied with the Nazis". The Russians - or rather the Soviet leadership, at whose head was the Georgian Stalin - agreed a non-aggression pact with Germany. But only after years of begging the British and French to join with the USSR in order to contain Germany.

    The British and French, and of course the Americans, loathed the Soviets even more than the Nazis (indeed many of them admired the Nazis until finding themselves at war with them).
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    On a different thread here the Russian view of WW2 was characterized as a victory cult, and that's entirely accurate.
    , @iffen
    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.


    Naw, just opportunistic (or smart); they had to wait and see which side was going to win.
    , @Parfois
    "...Russians were allied with the Nazis"

    If you keep your mouth shut you may hide your ignorance and stupidity... and appear normal. Go to your Wiki-bible and find out the difference between an alliance treaty and a non-aggression treaty. Meanwhile learn a basic lesson: the USSR was never allied with Nazi Germany.
    , @Cyrano
    Do you know what’s the difference between Nostradamus and Ignoramus? Nostradamus was able to predict the future, Ignoramus is not capable of predicting even the past, because he has no clue about it. You definitely belong in the 2nd category. Totally clueless.
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  79. @Sharrukin

    Could it be that we today are maybe also not seeing through the lies we are being told?
     
    It could indeed. It could also be that the extent and nature of the German crimes against Judaism are as much a part of Allied propaganda as anything else was during and after the war. Wouldn't it in fact be surprising if they weren't?

    Arno Düre confessed to taking part in the Katyn Massacre where Germans slaughtered Poles, which we now know to have been carried out by the Soviets. The Cold War allowed this to come out, but would it have ever been revealed if not for that?

    Kurt Gerstein confessed to taking part in the extermination of 25 million Jews, which is about 10 million more Jews than were alive at the time.

    This doesn't make the Germans the good guys, nor does it excuse their horrific conduct towards Jews and others, but it should make one a little more cynical regarding what we 'think' we know.

    The false Kuwait baby incubator story that helped sell the US war against Iraq shows that even today we are not as clever or discerning as we imagine. This in an age when we actually have alternative avenues of information to fact check the media.

    remember the booby trapped toys supposedly left by the Soviets in the khyber pass? Saddam’s rape rooms? just two more off the top of my head

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    --- FDR's fireside chat when he told the American people he had a map showing German plans to invade USA thru Mexico, plunder their way to DC and topple the US government.
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  80. @Avery
    {.....and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.}


    Saker, why are you whitewashing what the Nazis planned to do?
    The plan was to exterminate nearly all Slavic peoples in East Europe and SU East of the Urals to make room for Lebensraum for the alleged* Master Race.

    ALL Slavic peoples, not just the intelligentsia.

    Didn't Nazi invaders murder and kill ~15 million Soviet _civilians_, or is that a myth.


    ______
    *
    You know, like Goebbels, a club-footed scrawny runt, who murdered his 5 children, before offing himself.
    Or Goering, a drug-addict overweight swine, who also offed himself.
    Or Himmler, a myopic weakling, with a malformed skull, who couldn't stand the sight of bloodshed. Instead of going down fighting, he was caught trying to flee like a rat. Also offed himself.

    And Hitler himself: 6'3" tall, perfect physic, blond hair, deep blue eyes.....such an 'Aryan'. He also committed suicide, instead of going down fighting.

    Avery…

    But, but, but what about da roads, man!??

    I believe that recently you tried to convince me of the need for government on the basis of all the nice goodies they provided, especially roads, now here you are criticizing the Nazis, when in point of fact, the Nazis were far ahead of most, in caring for their own people and providing for them the nice things in life.

    In fact, the Nazis comparatively speedily built an autobahn system that was copied by the Americans only decades later.

    The Nazis were very far ahead in the area of taking care of their workers as well, which was an embarrassment to the socially backward American and Soviet systems, both of which were much closer to slave labor camps than Nazi Germany was at least until Churchill provoked the war which even he admitted was unnecessary.

    So, back to the road argument, (not that it’s a valid one),you may want to change your view of Nazis.

    Regarding Nazi vs “Allied” civil rights, here’s how Mencken put it. :

    The [single] bloody Hitler purge that made such a sensation in the summer of 1934 is, [and has been], [often] duplicated in Russia at close intervals, and if it were not for the army there would undoubtedly be rebellions on a large scale, and in all parts of [our ally, Russia]. To prevent such works of Satan the Moscow Mussolinis keep 9oo,ooo yokels under arms, with an enormous outfit of tanks, airplanes, and artillery, and missionaries in every squad to preach the Only True Faith. The American pacifists, always easily gulled, compare this formidable host to the band of Boy Scouts that Richard the Lion-Hearted led up the walls of Acre. It is actually much more like the corps of mine guards in the Pennsylvania coal fields.

    -H.L. Mencken, The Reds and Civil Rights, The American Mercury, July 1936, pp. 284-289

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1936jul-00284

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  81. Possibly the best piece I have ever read.

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    If this is Fred Reed, the contributor to this site, the comments should be highlighted in yellow like those of other contributors. If this is an imposter, the alias should be changed to prevent confusion.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Damn, Fred, you ruined it. I was agreeing with much of the Saker piece too.
    , @Brawndo
    Says the coward hding out in Mexico. Don't worry boomer, we'll clean up the mess your shitty generation left for us.
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  82. hence the wordwide use of the “Yankee go home” slogan.

    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.

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    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.
     
    Because you've bombed the Piss outta my country and I no longer have a place to live. Think Vietnamese boat people, for instance..
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  83. Tom Welsh says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

    “The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!!”

    I’m aware of that, since my father was one of the British soldiers. However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”. The Russians – or rather the Soviet leadership, at whose head was the Georgian Stalin – agreed a non-aggression pact with Germany. But only after years of begging the British and French to join with the USSR in order to contain Germany.

    The British and French, and of course the Americans, loathed the Soviets even more than the Nazis (indeed many of them admired the Nazis until finding themselves at war with them).

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    Agreed.

    I like to say "allied" because they were working together in many respects and had been throughout the 1930s.

    Not to mention the awkward issue of Poland.

    And also, there is the "alliance" between the The US and Stalin after June 1941 - which wasn't always a perfect partnership. And dissolved into the Cold War as soon as there was no common enemy in 1945.

    Peace Sells, But Who's Buying?
    , @utu
    However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”.

    Must be very slightly.

    1. Invaded Poland together. Had victory parade together. Had Gestapo-NKVD conferences in occupied Poland.
    2. Traded
    3. Stalin ordered all communist parties in the world to cease all ant-NAZI propaganda. Some communist outfits cooperated with Gestapo in occupied France denouncing anti-German resistance. In the US till June 22, 1941 communists were siding with the America First isolationist and were acting against pro war British propaganda.
    4. When Germany was invading countries in the West USSR was invading countries in the East.
    5. When USSR attacked Finland UK was considerings sending help to Finland and Germany did not do it. UK was considering bombing of Baku so Germany would not get oil.
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  84. @Avery
    {.....and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.}


    Saker, why are you whitewashing what the Nazis planned to do?
    The plan was to exterminate nearly all Slavic peoples in East Europe and SU East of the Urals to make room for Lebensraum for the alleged* Master Race.

    ALL Slavic peoples, not just the intelligentsia.

    Didn't Nazi invaders murder and kill ~15 million Soviet _civilians_, or is that a myth.


    ______
    *
    You know, like Goebbels, a club-footed scrawny runt, who murdered his 5 children, before offing himself.
    Or Goering, a drug-addict overweight swine, who also offed himself.
    Or Himmler, a myopic weakling, with a malformed skull, who couldn't stand the sight of bloodshed. Instead of going down fighting, he was caught trying to flee like a rat. Also offed himself.

    And Hitler himself: 6'3" tall, perfect physic, blond hair, deep blue eyes.....such an 'Aryan'. He also committed suicide, instead of going down fighting.

    Ooops! I made a mistake.

    It was Alden, not you, who made that argument. Please accept my apologies!

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  85. @jacques sheete

    Nature abhors a vacuum.
     
    Nature probably also abhors human institutions and would probably prefer a vacuum if one would ensue after the collapse of the (particularly disgusting) 'Merkin empire. Humans and their societies existed before empires and the threat of a vacuum probably didn't exist then, and shouldn't now.

    If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can’t just “get rid of it”. It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form.
     
    True, but I'd like to emphasize that's the type of reasoning that leads to arms races and wars, but your next comments are right on target, and I agree completely.

    I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it’s roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets…and it’s our own fault as a species.
     
    What really torques me is that all are to blame to some degree, yet most persist in thinking their behavior is immaculate and justified. The rank hypocrisy and distorted finger pointing stinks as well, along with the idea that politicians and governments exist to make things better. Where do folks get their faith?

    Anyway, I'd prefer nothing over emerods! ;)

    You are and American and trying to opt out. The Saker did not point at ordinary Americans but I guess reading about American interventions around the world makes you uneasy and you don’t want to face the facts.

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    Bless you Padre, but you have sinned. You better get your stinky little tushy to confession, ASAP.

    PS: You evidently don't know what you're talking about either, so kindly drop the free online psychoanalysis. As for your nitwit charge of my pusillanimity regarding facing facts, you seem to be yet another fool with projection problems.

    And don't forget to luv thy neighbor. (If any can stand to associate with you.)
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  86. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS
    Whooaah...............

    Anyway.

    Apologize for being the first and with "wrong" attitude. Time zones I guess.


    What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?
     
    A conviction that Russia or/and China would not fill the empty space after US pulling out/weakening.

    Disclaimer:
    Thinking as one of those, quote: "Balt and Ukrainian", "Kosovo Albanians" and, my addition:
    Finns
    Polish
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    Hungarians
    Slovenians
    Croats
    Albanians (proper)
    Romanians
    Bulgarians.
    Georgians
    ...will stop here...there are more there but, no need....

    And, yes:
    Taiwanese
    South Korean
    ..probably more but let's not get carried away.

    So, probably the best for this "debate" would be if people from that list just don't get involved.

    You...the rest.......enjoy.

    I can assure you that neither Czechs nor Slovaks in general favour ‘foreign military interventions’. That also holds true for almost all of the elite, comprador or not. I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.

    The fear of ‘empty space’ that you use is silly. There is no space to fill. People have always lived together and fought together, there is no ‘space manager’ on this planet. You just become part of the fight with all the consequences. You cannot even theoretically fill the ‘space’, that’s a crazy abstraction. Remember, a map is not the territory.

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?

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    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?
     
    Free will, brother....free will.....

    Semantics !?

    Power vacuum then.

    Speaking of "Czechs or Slovaks" you remember '68?

    So, should you have an opportunity to choose, which master you'd prefer: Russian or American?

    Yes, yes, I know that it would be right,proper, the best, whatever, to be without any master, but,Czechs or Slovaks, of all the people, should know how the real world really works.


    I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.
     
    You mean which master the'd prefer?
    Probably.
    I have zero doubts about some, too.
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  87. @Sergey Krieger
    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.

    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.

    Obviously I have valid views on real history.

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    I really doubt that.
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  88. Wally says: • Website
    @Avery
    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU - Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, 'enslave' East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,....
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, 'liberated' by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (...it sure isn't Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While 'enlightened', 'liberated' Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the 'Free World'.

    --------
    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

    Spoken like another amateur Stalinist / communist / Zionist apologist.
    You talk because you have a mouth. You are laughable

    The Allies did succeed in turning over 1/2 of Europe to the communists, see map.
    Some ‘victory’ that was.

    The USSR underwent a massive arms build up in it’s plan to invade Germany.

    Debate here and get smacked own:
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    “Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché.”
    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

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    Poor Wally, always busy to find a hiding place, he was left behind at kindergarten level. He (mis)reads everything coming his way and gets confused with grotesque images of history. For Wally and those of the same ilk left stranded in kindy, Hitler was the Messiah coming to liberate the white race by conquering all white (by then) Europe up to the Urals, except that those undeserving untermenschen Soviets did not want to be "liberated" off their land! And for that unpardonable sin against capitalism on steroids (a.k.a. fascism/nazism) now the Wallies of this world blame the Soviets for starting WWII!!!

    Keep on the good work and uncover the hidden secrets proving the Soviets also started WWI, maybe they also secretly ran the Nazi concentration camps and, the worst of crimes, they also had the time to insidiously incite the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. By doing all those nasty things, the Soviets also created the conditions for the rise of Islamic terrorism leading to the worst external attack on the exceptional nation ruled by the Chosen tribe, themselves a branch of the traitorous Soviet Bolsheviks who escaped the McCarthy witch hunt.
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  89. @KA
    Benn Steil’s book, The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order,  -notes that, as a result of White’s fierce lobbying, FDR “authorized [Secretary of State] Hull to present the Japanese with what became known as the Ten-Point Note
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/17147-the-communist-agent-who-caused-pearl-harbor-and-global-economic-havoc
    An alarmed Kurusu told Hull that the Japanese government would ‘throw up its hands’ if presented with such a response to their truce proposal. Hull did not waiver. The collision course had been set.”
    And Soviet agent Harry Dexter White had set that course. Steil comments:
    That White was the author of the key ultimatum demands is beyond dispute. That the Japanese government made the decision to move forward with the Pearl Harbor strike after receiving the ultimatum is also beyond dispute.
    Steil notes that “the Soviets, American allies in the European war, were anxious to ensure that such an attack did take place.” He quotes Soviet spymaster Vladimir Karpov in this regard:
    ¥ “The war in the Pacific could have been avoided,” wrote retired GRU military intelligence colonel and World War II “Hero of the Soviet Union” Vladimir Karpov in 2000, nearly sixty years after Pearl Harbor. “Stalin was the real initiator of the ultimatum to Japan,” he insisted. Harry Dexter White was acting in accordance with a design initiated by [NKVD intelligence official Iskhak] Akhmerov and Pavlov,” Karpov argued. “[White] prepared the aide-memoire for signature by Morgenthau and President Roosevelt.” The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name, “Operation Snow,” snow referring to White. “[T]he essence of ‘Operation Snow’ was to provoke the war between the Empire of the Rising Sun and the USA and to insure the interests of the Soviet Union in the Far East.... If Japan was engaged in a war against the USA it would have no resources to strike against the USSR."

    All Bullshit. There was a blockade placed on Japan and it prevented them from importing oil.

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    How does your fact negate what I have referred to. Empire is a complex business with many layers of disconnected realities. Its the motive or fealty to the motives that binds them together. Individual success of failure or change of track doesn't disprove the overarching philosophy . It is easier to put sanction .Nobody notices excepting the suffering peasants . It is much difficult to declare war . Back then it was more difficult .
    , @CK
    In 1904 the Japanese did a preview of Pearl Harbor on the Russians at the urging of GB.
    In 1905 at Portsmouth Teddy Roosevelt screwed the Russians as a favour to the House of Warburg,
    with the Treaty of Portsmouth.
    In 1918 the US, France, GB, Japan, and others invaded Russia to attempt to control the outcome of the Russian Civil War. The Americans left when it became obvious that Wilson was stroked out and Harding would become the next president. The Japanese stayed until 1925 trying to sever Siberia from Russia. The Japanese left in 25 and attempted to re-insert themselves in 37. The revamped Russian military handed them their asses at Khalkhin Ghol.
    A blockade is an act of war.
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  90. Wally says: • Website
    @nickels
    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler's big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill's jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain's goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

    There was no ‘extermination’ of Jews, period.

    The claimed ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are impossible frauds.

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    Who knows.
    Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million.
    That's the problem with jewish authors playing 'tell the biggest lie' for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won't be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they'll just write the whole thing off.
    But neurotic authors are power hungry and $ hungry and don't understand these things.
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  91. @Sarah Toga
    Hmm.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what "Francis" says about violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    If Japan had a big RCC presence now, they might be flooded by 3rd world mass immigration.
    Just speculation, I know.
    And not the way to stop the global plague of mass immigration.

    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem, causing more long-term harm than the two atom bombs dropped on Japan.
    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.

    But understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem,

    Many Palestinians would probably agree.

    I think the number one world problem is the clique of bored, depraved bankers with too much time on their bloody paws

    For details see TW’s comment #73.

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    You raise a very good point - looking at how USA's "too big to fail" bankers have gamed the system to concentrate even more power in their mistake-prone hands.

    Dodd-Frank is killing small banks, apparently by design.
    Not to mention most wars are banker's wars.
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  92. KenH says:
    @iffen
    Yes, it seems that the 6 million figure is a lie. It was actually 5, 999, 999.

    The original four million death toll at Auschwitz was Soviet propaganda. Numbers have been drastically revised downward with the death toll ranging from as low as 630K to 1.1 million. If we use the latter figure it means your vaunted six million gets reduced to three million which is still too high.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html

    The dubious claims of six million dead means that holocaust museums should be closed and demolished much like the Jewish funded and led left is finding pretexts to destroy monuments and icon to confederate history. Besides, Jewish holocaust memorials and museums have no place on U.S. soil since this nation had nothing to do with hardships experienced by Jews in WWII.

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    Don't forget the fantastical 1.4M the Soviets claimed were killed at Majdanek (the accepted number now is 75,000). These propaganda fables form much backbone of the WW2 myth, both in America and Russia.
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  93. From the Saker’s “About” page on his blog,

    My main objective in the immediate future is to (finally) write my thesis for the graduate degree in patristic theology I am working on now, and to set some money aside to visit Russia again

    Stick to that.

    If you must take shots at empire – you need a friend. One that can help you dial these down several notches. A body of knowledge isn’t sufficient, and in the absence of critical thinking, can lead to hubris, which is worse.

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  94. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Fred V. Reed
    Possibly the best piece I have ever read.

    If this is Fred Reed, the contributor to this site, the comments should be highlighted in yellow like those of other contributors. If this is an imposter, the alias should be changed to prevent confusion.

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  95. @AB_Anonymous
    What aggravates the problem is the fact that US is not just an Empire - it’s a highjacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the highjackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on, and the number of those daring to speak out against the army of super-powerful and well-organized criminals is even less.
    And wars, aggressions, revolutions, etc. in the last 200 years often (if not always) were initiated not by the nominal governments (or by their opponents) but by the hidden global forces, whose presence nowadays, thanks to the Internet, is impossible to deny.
    These forces influence all governments across the globe, at least to some degree (even the North Korean), and their methods of control vary from exclusively financial to pure criminal.
    The very special role of US in that scheme of things stems from the fact that after a certain point in 20-th century, willingly or unwillingly, it has become the most powerful and the most controllable military and financial tool in the hands of global criminals.
    So, the best thing that can happen to US (and every other country in this world) would be the deliverance from these nasty and sticky “puppet-masters”.
    Unfortunately, there’s a tiny chance that it may happen by itself or without grave complications. Primarily because these “puppet-masters”, in addition to all other negative features, are truly sick maniacs.

    AB Anonymous, your post is spot on.
    I totally agree with your statement when you say ‘US is not just an Empire – it’s a hijacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the hijackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on. ”
    And thank you for the new label ‘Global Criminals’.
    Thankfully the petrodollar is being abandoned and the days of the Saudi, Israeli, UK, Aussie American hegemony will end.

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    Thank you. Let's hope it'll happen the way you described. I have a bit more pessimistic expectations.
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  96. Polygenocide? Laughable.

    Saker keeps banging this drum over and over, but if you look at the facts, the allegation doesn’t hold up. What the Anglo invaders were involved in was a war. The Lakota Sioux and Iroquois and Cheyenne had weapons and fought back, often brutally. Moreover, they’re still here, which kinda demolishes the point about a genocide, since the point of a successful genocide is to wipe out every single vestige of an ethnic or racial group. Kinda like what the Spanish did so successfully all across Central and South America. Why nothing on them? Or is he just using this imagined polygenocide as a brickbat to condemn a country he hates yet oddly resides in? It surely has nothing to do with today’s neocon wars, and I agree that we should pull out of NATO and let Europe fend for itself. Of course, as soon as a U.S. politician questions NATO, he’s immediately attacked — by Europe.

    Likewise, bleating about the Mexican War doesn’t help his case either. The Mexicans were invaders and conquistadors just like the Anglos were. The 1848 war was like one drug dealer robbing another. No victims, really. And note that the Mexicans signed a treaty ratifying the lands lost and didn’t complain about it until the “Indian problem” they couldn’t deal with had been dealt with, and the territories had been developed along First World standards. Then all of a sudden, they had an urge to “reconquer.” I say sure, let them — as long as we re-arm the Apaches and Navajos with automatic weapons and blow up all the roads/bridges/sewers/dams/electrical grids first. In other words, return the lands to their condition in 1848. I’m sure Mexico will jump on that opportunity.

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    Polygenocide? Laughable.
     
    All the more so as he's too stupid to look at a map or know what "continent" means. He claims we genocided a "continent" - which one? North America includes Mexico and Canada. South America maybe? Is it particularly hard to find an Amerind in Canada, America, or Mexico today? Or in South America? Amerinds hard to locate in say Peru or Colombia or Brazil? In fact, of those who survived the new germs unknowingly brought with explorers, pioneers, and settlers (and conquistadors in the south), their population has exploded just like the African population. There are FAR FAR more (apparently imaginary) Amerinds and Africans today than at ANY point in history and solely due to our (reverse) genocide.
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  97. The closing paragraph shows this writer’s confusion. The best thing would be collapse of American Empire? But just a few sentences later he notes correctly that America is the most dangerous entity in history? How does collapse equal security of our mountains of weapons? How many nukes must escape our collapsing empire before it becomes an even bigger danger than before?

    This failure in critical thinking is also evident in his genocidal Americans commentary. We are so inept that our genocide of Amerinds left us facing societal collapse under a tidal wave of North American Amerinds from south of our border. We are so incompetent that our unprecedented cruelty towards Africans led to the 400K we imported becoming 45M of them today and an epidemic of obesity. So cruel are we that Africans’ greatest social problems are dependence on all the free shit we give them and abject stupidity as we have exempted them from being forced to acquire the bare minimum of education. Extending our racist hatred even back to their homelands in Africa we have forced upon them such horrors as clean water, food, and medicine such that they will soon be the most populous race on the planet.

    Interspersed with the obvious fallacies he sprinkles truth tidbits, but by that time it’s too late for him to be taken for anything other than a communist tool.

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    " extending our racist hatred even back to their homeland in Africa we have forced upon them such horrors as clean water, food and medicine"

    you forgot to mention tailored clothing , toilet bowl and a language, " yo yo yo chekit out you know whhat im cayyin" they are the biological weapons of mass population reduction, for the globalist elites. they are transporting them by the millions to Europe to ensure total carnage , when the economies doctored to collapse. the global elites can't just nuke the " useless eaters " because it wouldn't look good for them in future history books, so it has to look like human tragedy. evil is supremely intelligent.
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  98. @jacques sheete

    Obviously you have alternative views on real history.
     
    Obviously I have valid views on real history.

    I really doubt that.

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    I'm crushed.

    Anyway, you got anything better? Prove it.
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  99. @Tom Welsh
    "The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!!"

    I'm aware of that, since my father was one of the British soldiers. However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that "the Russians were allied with the Nazis". The Russians - or rather the Soviet leadership, at whose head was the Georgian Stalin - agreed a non-aggression pact with Germany. But only after years of begging the British and French to join with the USSR in order to contain Germany.

    The British and French, and of course the Americans, loathed the Soviets even more than the Nazis (indeed many of them admired the Nazis until finding themselves at war with them).

    Agreed.

    I like to say “allied” because they were working together in many respects and had been throughout the 1930s.

    Not to mention the awkward issue of Poland.

    And also, there is the “alliance” between the The US and Stalin after June 1941 – which wasn’t always a perfect partnership. And dissolved into the Cold War as soon as there was no common enemy in 1945.

    Peace Sells, But Who’s Buying?

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    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/f9/8d/bcf98d939265876f4c181c5f8b1aa453.jpg
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    +1000 for the Megadeth reference.
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  100. Issac says:

    That nobody in the vast and ruthless “Atlanticist” military industrial empire sees fit to liquidate the comically treasonous Saker should tell one all they need to know about him.

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  101. @Bragadocious
    Polygenocide? Laughable.

    Saker keeps banging this drum over and over, but if you look at the facts, the allegation doesn't hold up. What the Anglo invaders were involved in was a war. The Lakota Sioux and Iroquois and Cheyenne had weapons and fought back, often brutally. Moreover, they're still here, which kinda demolishes the point about a genocide, since the point of a successful genocide is to wipe out every single vestige of an ethnic or racial group. Kinda like what the Spanish did so successfully all across Central and South America. Why nothing on them? Or is he just using this imagined polygenocide as a brickbat to condemn a country he hates yet oddly resides in? It surely has nothing to do with today's neocon wars, and I agree that we should pull out of NATO and let Europe fend for itself. Of course, as soon as a U.S. politician questions NATO, he's immediately attacked -- by Europe.

    Likewise, bleating about the Mexican War doesn't help his case either. The Mexicans were invaders and conquistadors just like the Anglos were. The 1848 war was like one drug dealer robbing another. No victims, really. And note that the Mexicans signed a treaty ratifying the lands lost and didn't complain about it until the "Indian problem" they couldn't deal with had been dealt with, and the territories had been developed along First World standards. Then all of a sudden, they had an urge to "reconquer." I say sure, let them -- as long as we re-arm the Apaches and Navajos with automatic weapons and blow up all the roads/bridges/sewers/dams/electrical grids first. In other words, return the lands to their condition in 1848. I'm sure Mexico will jump on that opportunity.

    Polygenocide? Laughable.

    All the more so as he’s too stupid to look at a map or know what “continent” means. He claims we genocided a “continent” – which one? North America includes Mexico and Canada. South America maybe? Is it particularly hard to find an Amerind in Canada, America, or Mexico today? Or in South America? Amerinds hard to locate in say Peru or Colombia or Brazil? In fact, of those who survived the new germs unknowingly brought with explorers, pioneers, and settlers (and conquistadors in the south), their population has exploded just like the African population. There are FAR FAR more (apparently imaginary) Amerinds and Africans today than at ANY point in history and solely due to our (reverse) genocide.

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  102. Munx says:

    Some of your details are accurate as much as Soviet and Red Chinese propaganda is or was by insertion of mini truths to make it believeable. It does bring back memories of Pravda tho.. too much of your anti American speil sounds like you were schooled by the Brezhnev Regime with some outside assistance.

    Some points to ponder

    Israel is racist but the Islamists that want them exterminated ? Neither of them is a “race” like Spanish is not a race.

    No mention of the millions Stalin startved to death or sent off to Gulags not to mention those they executed by the thousands in eastern europe and Ukraine before attacking the beastly nazis..

    Ukranians just want their country back the Soviets stole from them after starving millions for not producing food fast enough.

    No Mention of the millions executed, starved, forced abortions and Red Chinese butchery that continues today.. but thats not important either..

    I really get the “Ugly American” concept but its tired and to paint Americans as colluding with the criminal element currently running this govt as a third hidden entity is unacceptable.. we were trusting once but those days are over. We also reject nonsense, disinformation and misinformation perpetrated whatever the reason.. Not all of us are ignorant of history just because most today are. If you want the right to claim your information is factual that you need to clean up your “facts” first.

    You sound really angry and hateful of this country and its stupid people yet you wear Marine camo with a 40 year old helmet nd salute like a Brit… Who or what are you really ?

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  103. Tom Welsh says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Agreed.

    I like to say "allied" because they were working together in many respects and had been throughout the 1930s.

    Not to mention the awkward issue of Poland.

    And also, there is the "alliance" between the The US and Stalin after June 1941 - which wasn't always a perfect partnership. And dissolved into the Cold War as soon as there was no common enemy in 1945.

    Peace Sells, But Who's Buying?

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    "It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities."

    Yes that tactical decision being to wait until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi's down sufficiently
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  104. Cyrano says:
    @Serge Krieger
    Very well written and emotionally charged piece by Sacker. Despite disagreeing with him mostly on Soviet past and whitewashing of Islam I see good in him. Now, I will try to be brief but making Soviet regime equal in evilness to the mentioned Nazi and US regimes is completely false and mostly comes form Sacker's background.
    First thing that should never be missed is that unlike Nazi and US regimes Soviet regime never committed genocides. All those fair tales about tens of millions killed in Gulag and elsewhere with opened archives are pure bogus, nor did Russians and Soviets committed genocides against populations under their control in new acquired lands. Central Asia had extremely low population when taken over by Russia. Under Soviet rule that population ballooned out of all proportions due to extremely favorable conditions created. I know, I lived there for 20 years.
    It should never be forgotten that Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years leading to their mental and physical degeneration and huge deformities of Russian character which are still there even after decades of Soviet power to tackle it. By every definition Russian peasants were not serfs but slaves who could be sold, families broken and gambled away of exchanged for dogs.
    Lenin and Stalin had to do with extremely low level of human material available to them , which was uplifted basically from the dirt, educated and provided with things necessary for decent life which they never experienced before. This regime cannot be called evil. USSR did not commit evil against other countries and actually propped and helped other third world nations to build their own countries unfortunately at the expense of our own people.
    The last but not the least, were there not Bolsheviks, Russia would seize to exist as thanks to pre Bolsheviks regime, old regime led Russia to certain death by 1917. Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia without Lenin and Bolsheviks coming along and the death of millions of European people and Jews. How this regime can be called evil. I have no clue.
    Otherwise, I often agree with Sacker and consider him a good man.

    For those who still don’t know the difference between German Nazism, Jewish liberalism, US imperialism and Russian communism – the Russians never treated anyone worse than they treated themselves, which can’t be said about the other 3, whose starting position has always been – we are better than you.

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  105. KA says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    All Bullshit. There was a blockade placed on Japan and it prevented them from importing oil.

    How does your fact negate what I have referred to. Empire is a complex business with many layers of disconnected realities. Its the motive or fealty to the motives that binds them together. Individual success of failure or change of track doesn’t disprove the overarching philosophy . It is easier to put sanction .Nobody notices excepting the suffering peasants . It is much difficult to declare war . Back then it was more difficult .

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  106. @Sergey Krieger
    I really doubt that.

    I’m crushed.

    Anyway, you got anything better? Prove it.

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  107. This deplorable article by The Saker contains many questionable assertions. I will focus here only on The Saker’s claim that the U.S. Government is directly responsible for a uniquely evil event in world history: a “poly-genocide” – defined by The Saker as “the genocide of all the ethnicities of a single continent.” The Saker seems proud of this term as he has been injecting this concept into most of his recent articles. But it is a sham concept, which reveals more about The Saker’s ever increasing anti-American bias then it reveals about the true history of the U.S. Government and its relations with the Native Americans.

    The fact is, if you added up all of the death totals from all of the wars, skirmishes, battles, or forced removals involving the U.S. and Native Americans, the total numbers would still be well short of the total deaths of many single battles in European or Russian history or either of the two World Wars. For example, George Washington’s troops in the Revolutionary War killed maybe two hundred Iroquois out of a population of about 9000. Same for the Sand Creek massacre in 1864 or the tragedy at Little Big Horn or any of the other famous massacres or wars (e.g. the Seminole Wars) or forced removals – in each case, we’re talking possibly several thousand deaths, at most.

    You only get massive numbers comparable to other well-known genocides and ethnic cleansings if you instead do one or more of the following: (1) start counting from the late 1400s – almost three hundred years before the United States came into existence (thereby falsely attributing to the U.S. Government deaths which occurred well before the U.S. came into existence); (2) including the entire Western Hemisphere (including Mexico, where according to anthropologist Henry Dobyns and other scholars a much larger number of indigenous peoples have suffered and died), rather than just the land that currently belongs to the U.S.; (3) by including deaths that occurred due to intertribal warfare. The Cherokee, for example, were probably not “indigenous” to the Southern Appalachian region, but were in fact a conquering people, who swept down from the north and killed or displaced the tribes that had previously lived there. Should the U.S. Government be held responsible for those deaths? A similar story can be told re the Comanche, who became the dominant tribe on the Southern Plains only because of their brutal and unceasing warfare against the weaker tribes that previously lived there. Again, do these deaths carried out by the Comanche and other conquering Native American tribes count towards The Saker’s “poly-genocide” totals?

    Scholarly consensus is the intentional infliction of smallpox-infected blankets (e.g., by British general Amherst in 1763, or by American fur traders in the 1830s) did not happen that often. Exactly how diseases such as smallpox and malaria were first introduced is a matter of ongoing controversy and debate. Moreover, if Europeans (and their American descendants) are to be held responsible for introducing smallpox and malaria, should Native Americans be held responsible for introducing syphilis to Europeans?

    Since The Saker is so obviously uninformed about and poorly read in U.S. history, he would be well advised to focus instead on Russia’s history, of which he is much more knowledgeable. There he would find numerous recent examples of large scale ethnic cleansings and genocidal conquests carried out by Russia’s government against its native peoples. As author Oliver Bullough recounts in his devastating book “Let Our Fame Be Great,” the Russian Government’s genocidal colonial war against the Circassians in the late 1800s resulted in the displacement or death of over one million people. Now THAT is a true example of a genocide! A similar sad story can be told about the Russian Government’s actions against other native peoples such as the Nogais, Chechens, Mountain Turks and Ingush. The combined death total attributable to the Russian Government’s actions against these peoples easily exceeds two million. On no reasonable and informed account could the U.S. Government be said to be directly responsible for the deaths of anywhere near as many Native Americans.

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    "Since The Saker is so obviously uninformed about and poorly read in U.S. history..."

    Exactly so. Thank you for all of your excellent commentary.

    With regard to U.S. history The Saker apparently believes what he finds in MSM (and maybe recently written "history" texts?) and should know better.

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  108. @Priss Factor
    hence the wordwide use of the “Yankee go home” slogan.

    Now the slogan is 'Yankee, take me to America'.

    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.

    Because you’ve bombed the Piss outta my country and I no longer have a place to live. Think Vietnamese boat people, for instance..

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    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.
    , @Priss Factor
    The boaters were running from commies, not from bombs.

    People in South Vietnam stayed put when the US was bombing the hell out of Vietnam.

    It was after the war and during peacetime that many in the South decided to leave cuz they feared communism. As things turned out, they had good reasons to fear communism.

    The whole thing is tragic. US was wrong to divide the nation. And the North was courageous and patriotic in unifying the nation.

    But their form of Stalinism meant terror and tyranny for many yrs to come.
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  109. @Johnny Rico
    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

    On a different thread here the Russian view of WW2 was characterized as a victory cult, and that’s entirely accurate.

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  110. @Johnny Rico
    Agreed.

    I like to say "allied" because they were working together in many respects and had been throughout the 1930s.

    Not to mention the awkward issue of Poland.

    And also, there is the "alliance" between the The US and Stalin after June 1941 - which wasn't always a perfect partnership. And dissolved into the Cold War as soon as there was no common enemy in 1945.

    Peace Sells, But Who's Buying?

    +1000 for the Megadeth reference.

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    It's bizarre. I thought I had seen everything.

    These points are like common, observed, documented history with dates carved in stone. Some of us haggle and debate over the details, subtleties, and implications but the basics have become fairly standardized.

    Putin himself would sign off on this stuff.

    But it's like a parallel historical universe here with the Russians.

    Ironically, the Westerners here are about as friendly, cooperative, knowledgeable, and tolerant of anything Russia as you are going to get anywhere in the West. We are almost all highly skeptical at the very least to highly critical of the American Deep State and Empire...and yet we are told by these Russians that we don't know anything about how the world works or especially our own country and our own history.

    So Far, So Good...So What :)
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  111. @Reverend Spooner
    You are and American and trying to opt out. The Saker did not point at ordinary Americans but I guess reading about American interventions around the world makes you uneasy and you don't want to face the facts.

    Bless you Padre, but you have sinned. You better get your stinky little tushy to confession, ASAP.

    PS: You evidently don’t know what you’re talking about either, so kindly drop the free online psychoanalysis. As for your nitwit charge of my pusillanimity regarding facing facts, you seem to be yet another fool with projection problems.

    And don’t forget to luv thy neighbor. (If any can stand to associate with you.)

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  112. yyrvjh says:

    Saker, your article was garbage as usual, not that I bothered to read it. Here’s a pro tip: itinerant Vietnamese moron Dim Lin writes equally stupid garbage as you, but that he has a “way with word” cannot be denied. So I always read his screeds to the end.

    Maybe take a few writing classes at your community college? Worth a try.

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  113. utu says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!!"

    I'm aware of that, since my father was one of the British soldiers. However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that "the Russians were allied with the Nazis". The Russians - or rather the Soviet leadership, at whose head was the Georgian Stalin - agreed a non-aggression pact with Germany. But only after years of begging the British and French to join with the USSR in order to contain Germany.

    The British and French, and of course the Americans, loathed the Soviets even more than the Nazis (indeed many of them admired the Nazis until finding themselves at war with them).

    However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”.

    Must be very slightly.

    1. Invaded Poland together. Had victory parade together. Had Gestapo-NKVD conferences in occupied Poland.
    2. Traded
    3. Stalin ordered all communist parties in the world to cease all ant-NAZI propaganda. Some communist outfits cooperated with Gestapo in occupied France denouncing anti-German resistance. In the US till June 22, 1941 communists were siding with the America First isolationist and were acting against pro war British propaganda.
    4. When Germany was invading countries in the West USSR was invading countries in the East.
    5. When USSR attacked Finland UK was considerings sending help to Finland and Germany did not do it. UK was considering bombing of Baku so Germany would not get oil.

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    Good points; 2) does not count though, neutrals have trade rights. 5) should be clarified as Germans actually prevented aid from German-aligned nations (certainly Italy) from reaching Finland.
    , @Wally
    facts:
    - USSR invaded Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, invaded & annexed parts of Romania, invaded Iran, invaded northern Norway and the Danish island of Bornholm, yet the ‘Allies’ did nothing.

    - Poland invaded and annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, held large parts of German territory, was engaged in atrocities against German civilians. Yet the ‘Allies did nothing.
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  114. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @jacques sheete

    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.
     
    Because you've bombed the Piss outta my country and I no longer have a place to live. Think Vietnamese boat people, for instance..

    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.

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    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.
     
    The enemy is within, mainly, so why would they flee here to avoid enemies of 'Merka?. They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation, I bet.
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  115. @KenH
    The original four million death toll at Auschwitz was Soviet propaganda. Numbers have been drastically revised downward with the death toll ranging from as low as 630K to 1.1 million. If we use the latter figure it means your vaunted six million gets reduced to three million which is still too high.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html

    The dubious claims of six million dead means that holocaust museums should be closed and demolished much like the Jewish funded and led left is finding pretexts to destroy monuments and icon to confederate history. Besides, Jewish holocaust memorials and museums have no place on U.S. soil since this nation had nothing to do with hardships experienced by Jews in WWII.

    Don’t forget the fantastical 1.4M the Soviets claimed were killed at Majdanek (the accepted number now is 75,000). These propaganda fables form much backbone of the WW2 myth, both in America and Russia.

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    And even the reduced 75,000 is an easily debunked fraud.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

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  116. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @FederalistForever
    This deplorable article by The Saker contains many questionable assertions. I will focus here only on The Saker’s claim that the U.S. Government is directly responsible for a uniquely evil event in world history: a “poly-genocide” - defined by The Saker as “the genocide of all the ethnicities of a single continent.” The Saker seems proud of this term as he has been injecting this concept into most of his recent articles. But it is a sham concept, which reveals more about The Saker’s ever increasing anti-American bias then it reveals about the true history of the U.S. Government and its relations with the Native Americans.

    The fact is, if you added up all of the death totals from all of the wars, skirmishes, battles, or forced removals involving the U.S. and Native Americans, the total numbers would still be well short of the total deaths of many single battles in European or Russian history or either of the two World Wars. For example, George Washington’s troops in the Revolutionary War killed maybe two hundred Iroquois out of a population of about 9000. Same for the Sand Creek massacre in 1864 or the tragedy at Little Big Horn or any of the other famous massacres or wars (e.g. the Seminole Wars) or forced removals – in each case, we’re talking possibly several thousand deaths, at most.

    You only get massive numbers comparable to other well-known genocides and ethnic cleansings if you instead do one or more of the following: (1) start counting from the late 1400s - almost three hundred years before the United States came into existence (thereby falsely attributing to the U.S. Government deaths which occurred well before the U.S. came into existence); (2) including the entire Western Hemisphere (including Mexico, where according to anthropologist Henry Dobyns and other scholars a much larger number of indigenous peoples have suffered and died), rather than just the land that currently belongs to the U.S.; (3) by including deaths that occurred due to intertribal warfare. The Cherokee, for example, were probably not “indigenous” to the Southern Appalachian region, but were in fact a conquering people, who swept down from the north and killed or displaced the tribes that had previously lived there. Should the U.S. Government be held responsible for those deaths? A similar story can be told re the Comanche, who became the dominant tribe on the Southern Plains only because of their brutal and unceasing warfare against the weaker tribes that previously lived there. Again, do these deaths carried out by the Comanche and other conquering Native American tribes count towards The Saker’s “poly-genocide” totals?

    Scholarly consensus is the intentional infliction of smallpox-infected blankets (e.g., by British general Amherst in 1763, or by American fur traders in the 1830s) did not happen that often. Exactly how diseases such as smallpox and malaria were first introduced is a matter of ongoing controversy and debate. Moreover, if Europeans (and their American descendants) are to be held responsible for introducing smallpox and malaria, should Native Americans be held responsible for introducing syphilis to Europeans?

    Since The Saker is so obviously uninformed about and poorly read in U.S. history, he would be well advised to focus instead on Russia’s history, of which he is much more knowledgeable. There he would find numerous recent examples of large scale ethnic cleansings and genocidal conquests carried out by Russia’s government against its native peoples. As author Oliver Bullough recounts in his devastating book “Let Our Fame Be Great,” the Russian Government’s genocidal colonial war against the Circassians in the late 1800s resulted in the displacement or death of over one million people. Now THAT is a true example of a genocide! A similar sad story can be told about the Russian Government’s actions against other native peoples such as the Nogais, Chechens, Mountain Turks and Ingush. The combined death total attributable to the Russian Government’s actions against these peoples easily exceeds two million. On no reasonable and informed account could the U.S. Government be said to be directly responsible for the deaths of anywhere near as many Native Americans.

    “Since The Saker is so obviously uninformed about and poorly read in U.S. history…”

    Exactly so. Thank you for all of your excellent commentary.

    With regard to U.S. history The Saker apparently believes what he finds in MSM (and maybe recently written “history” texts?) and should know better.

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  117. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”.

    Must be very slightly.

    1. Invaded Poland together. Had victory parade together. Had Gestapo-NKVD conferences in occupied Poland.
    2. Traded
    3. Stalin ordered all communist parties in the world to cease all ant-NAZI propaganda. Some communist outfits cooperated with Gestapo in occupied France denouncing anti-German resistance. In the US till June 22, 1941 communists were siding with the America First isolationist and were acting against pro war British propaganda.
    4. When Germany was invading countries in the West USSR was invading countries in the East.
    5. When USSR attacked Finland UK was considerings sending help to Finland and Germany did not do it. UK was considering bombing of Baku so Germany would not get oil.

    Good points; 2) does not count though, neutrals have trade rights. 5) should be clarified as Germans actually prevented aid from German-aligned nations (certainly Italy) from reaching Finland.

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    Nonsense, you have no proof.
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  118. yeah says:

    “The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.”

    This point of Saker’s seems to have rankled many. A controlled “withering away” has been argued for by many, including the likes of Pat Buchanan. Not for reasons to do with any anti-Americanism, but precisely out of love for the American Republic and the people. “Empire or Republic” is a well argued thesis.

    But what looks like is that the Empire is growing and growing. Many argue that the Empire is on its last legs, that it will collapse when the dollar collapses, or when the left loonies and other half-crazed groups create sufficient inner discord. I don’t see it happening in the next twenty years. The US State is strong, very strong, far stronger than any other that history has seen; and it plans to hold on to its empire and strengthen it by any and all means. It is not going to wither away, fade away, or be planned down. Nor is its unwinding going to be supported by many Americans, and that is the tragic part, the real tragic part, as Saker has passionately tried to address. He thinks evil and ignorance can be talked down; I doubt it. That is the tragedy and danger of our times.

    So keep your popcorn and chilled beer ready, and wait for the next of round of boom, kabbatz, and other spectacular sounds and images to keep you entertained. Likely, it all will happen “over there”, so no danger to you or the homeland.

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  119. CK says:
    @The Alarmist
    One has to admit that mobilising forces, many of which were war-weary from the European front, to engage in Asia in 89 days is remarkable. To point out that they took 89 of the 90 days to do it is a rather cheap shot.

    No, it is pointing out that they did it early. Not a cheap shot but a praise for a job well done.
    Or,
    If you prefer to admit a bit of soviet control over the ailing Roosevelt; Hiss and White helped con the US president into believing that the USSR was a spent force and could not possibly mobilize and cross from Berlin to Manchuria in 90 days with the millions of men, tanks, artillery, POL, food, meds etc. over the single double tracked railroad in existence in that part of the world.
    The Russians did that with time to spare.
    I submit to you for your approval that the single most important battle in WWII was the battle of Khalkhin Ghol in September of 1939. The Japanese army in Manchuria had its ass handed to it by Zhukov and the Russians. The Japanese and the Russians signed a peace treaty that was renewed yearly until the evening before the Russian attack in 1945. As a result, the USSR was the only nation that did not have to engage in a multiple front war. Russia’s enemy came from her west and was sent back the same way. The US’s enemies came from her west and her east ditto the British empire, and Japan. China’s enemies were from her east and internal. France was an irrelevancy but her empire did have to face internal enemies as well as the Japanese.

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  120. CK says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    All Bullshit. There was a blockade placed on Japan and it prevented them from importing oil.

    In 1904 the Japanese did a preview of Pearl Harbor on the Russians at the urging of GB.
    In 1905 at Portsmouth Teddy Roosevelt screwed the Russians as a favour to the House of Warburg,
    with the Treaty of Portsmouth.
    In 1918 the US, France, GB, Japan, and others invaded Russia to attempt to control the outcome of the Russian Civil War. The Americans left when it became obvious that Wilson was stroked out and Harding would become the next president. The Japanese stayed until 1925 trying to sever Siberia from Russia. The Japanese left in 25 and attempted to re-insert themselves in 37. The revamped Russian military handed them their asses at Khalkhin Ghol.
    A blockade is an act of war.

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  121. You only have to read the Old Testament to see that even God was a war criminal, particularly if seen from the point of view of Baal or the Philistines. And the Romans, although known for propagating aspects of civilization like public baths, clean water, sewerage, and the rule of law, were not averse to X-rated entertainment like watching enemies of the state eaten by lions.

    A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator, and that lesser breeds needed to knuckle down and accept their place in the world or they would get their just desserts.

    Since God’s retirement there has been a lot less of the Spanish Inquisition and that kind of thing, though admittedly there is a kind of residual effect in the consideration of human history that prevents us from being too hard on our forefathers. The case for the defense may be summed up as forgive them for they knew not what they did.

    However, to be fair, a lot of the Native Americans were already regularly killing each other before they came under the British Crown and it was time for the business of culling excess human beings to be brought under central control. Native Americans are now running casinos, which is a step up from ripping off scalps.

    Although George W. Bush reintroduced torture which had generally fallen out of favor, his heart was in the right place, and who is to say that a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization’s finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? They know they screwed up, and they have promised not to do it again. Now they are making Volkswagens, not waging war.

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    a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?
     
    Pagan polytheist human worshippers, following a belief system based primarily on hearsay, consider themselves the purveyors of The Truth.

    And, those following true unbending monotheism, are infidels?

    Remember this; Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

    No amount of spin, or exultation of worldly glory, can whitewash who the real infidels are. :)

    Hell's torturous embrace awaits your torture loving soul man!
    , @Wally
    "The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization’s finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? "

    Sorry for what?
    The Allies had tons of 'concentration camps'.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM
    $151,826,695.00
    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf

    US Taxpayers money to to USHMM:
    56,999,500.00
    source: https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    "Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché."

    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966
    http://mises.org/daily/2592
     
    , @Seraphim
    @A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator

    Not Christianity as such, but Judaism disguised under the cloak of 'Puritanism'. To wit:

    "The Puritan culture of New England was marked from the outset by a deep association with Jewish themes. No Christian community in history identified more with the Israelites of the Bible than did the first generations of settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, who believed their own lives to be a literal reenactment of the biblical drama of the chosen people―they were the children of Israel and the ordinances of God’s Holy covenant by which they lived were His divine law. Since they viewed themselves as the persecuted victims of the sinful Christian establishment of the Old World (England), the Puritans also had a natural sympathy for the Jews of their own time. The Protestant Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God's "Beloved People.” The New Israel―The influence of the Hebrew Bible marks every step of the Puritan exodus to their Zion in the wilderness of the New World. The Jewish Bible formed their minds and dominated their characters; its conceptions were their conceptions....
    Unlike their cousins back home, these American Puritans strongly identified with both the historical traditions and customs of the ancient Hebrews of the Old Testament. They viewed their emigration from England as a virtual re-enactment of the Jewish exodus from Egypt: England was Egypt, the English king was Pharaoh, the Atlantic Ocean their Red Sea, America was the Land of Israel, and the Indians were the ancient Canaanites. They were the new Israelites, entering into a new covenant with God in a new Promised Land...
    Accordingly, the first settlers in New England called themselves "Christian Israel." Comparison of the Puritan leaders with the great leaders of ancient Israel—especially Moses and Joshua—were common. So the names of Daniel, Jonathan, Esther, Enoch, Ezra, Rachel and a host of others were in constant use among the Puritans. Interestingly enough, there was a conspicuous absence of the names of Christian saints.  Names of cities, towns and settlements likewise derived from Hebraic sources.  This widespread use of biblical names, however, was not confined to the naming of offspring, cities and towns - names of many biblical heights were eventually bestowed upon the great mountains of America. Mount Carmel and Mount Horeb, home of the Prophets, were popular names, as was Mount Nebo, the final resting place of Moses. Names like Mount Ephraim, Mount Gilead, Mount Hermon, Mount Moriah, Mount Pisgah, were all popular as well. Some mountains in the New World were even called  Mt. Sinai, Mount Zion and Mount Olive".

    See a short resume of the problem @http://jdstone.org/cr/files/puritansweremorejewishthanprotesta
    This is the root of 'Christian Zionism' which infests America and determin its foreign policy.
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  122. @Anon
    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.

    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.

    The enemy is within, mainly, so why would they flee here to avoid enemies of ‘Merka?. They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation, I bet.

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    The enemy is within
     
    Is this Zen?

    They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation
     
    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn't fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn't American bombs they were fleeing.
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  123. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    The Boat People were fleeing the enemies of America who were also bombing and shooting them though.
     
    The enemy is within, mainly, so why would they flee here to avoid enemies of 'Merka?. They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation, I bet.

    The enemy is within

    Is this Zen?

    They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation

    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn’t fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn’t American bombs they were fleeing.

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    Is this Zen?
     
    No. It's Rumsfeld.

    “The adversary is closer to home; it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy…”

    - Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

     


    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn’t fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn’t American bombs they were fleeing.
     
    The shooting may have stopped, but the devastation of the bombs, Agent Orange and what not had turned the country into a basket case. In fact, the effects of those hideous things linger to this day, and you and I would wanna leave too, i think.
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  124. hunor says:
    @Stan d Mute
    The closing paragraph shows this writer's confusion. The best thing would be collapse of American Empire? But just a few sentences later he notes correctly that America is the most dangerous entity in history? How does collapse equal security of our mountains of weapons? How many nukes must escape our collapsing empire before it becomes an even bigger danger than before?

    This failure in critical thinking is also evident in his genocidal Americans commentary. We are so inept that our genocide of Amerinds left us facing societal collapse under a tidal wave of North American Amerinds from south of our border. We are so incompetent that our unprecedented cruelty towards Africans led to the 400K we imported becoming 45M of them today and an epidemic of obesity. So cruel are we that Africans' greatest social problems are dependence on all the free shit we give them and abject stupidity as we have exempted them from being forced to acquire the bare minimum of education. Extending our racist hatred even back to their homelands in Africa we have forced upon them such horrors as clean water, food, and medicine such that they will soon be the most populous race on the planet.

    Interspersed with the obvious fallacies he sprinkles truth tidbits, but by that time it's too late for him to be taken for anything other than a communist tool.

    ” extending our racist hatred even back to their homeland in Africa we have forced upon them such horrors as clean water, food and medicine”

    you forgot to mention tailored clothing , toilet bowl and a language, ” yo yo yo chekit out you know whhat im cayyin” they are the biological weapons of mass population reduction, for the globalist elites. they are transporting them by the millions to Europe to ensure total carnage , when the economies doctored to collapse. the global elites can’t just nuke the ” useless eaters ” because it wouldn’t look good for them in future history books, so it has to look like human tragedy. evil is supremely intelligent.

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  125. bdub says:

    Would largely agree with FederalistForever above. The article is just so full of falsehoods that any valid points it makes are difficult to take seriously.

    Can agree that the United States has not always been the poster child for good conduct, but am pretty sure that there is no nation/state that has conducted themselves in a manner that would not lead to condemnation from somebody. My suspicion is that the United States would rank on the gentler, kinder end of the scale.

    There are too many errors in the supposed facts given for this to be taken seriously.

    “The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war.” The United States formally entered WWII 8 Dec 1941. The Battle of Stalingrad was Aug 1942 – Feb 1943, the Battle of Kursk was 5 July – 23 Aug 1943. Either the author is full of crap, is too lazy to do basic fact checking or has an agenda and doesn’t want facts to stand in his way…

    “It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers!” At the time of the Soviet attack on Manchuria, there was not a single combat ready division in the Japanese Kwantung Army, with a number of the divisions only reporting 15% readiness. The Kwantung Army has been steadily bled of its best leadership, men, materials and equipment to reinforce/replenish other Japanese Army units that had been engaged against Allied (mostly American) forces in the Pacific. Again – if the author had only read the article he referenced…basic fact checking. Not to take anything away from the Soviet accomplishment in Manchuria – it was a masterful accomplishment of logistics and planning.

    As far as US/Allied plots against the USSR during WWII, it might be worthwhile to remember that many in our military saw the USSR and its leadership in a more realistic, immediate manner than our political leaders at the time. Saker seems to conveniently forget about many of the revelations of the Venona Papers and the USSR’s actions against the US and Great Britain at the time (Rosenbergs, Cambridge Five…)

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    My suspicion is that the United States would rank on the gentler, kinder end of the scale.
     
    That sounds more like BS than a credible suspicion. You may want to do a bit of serious study before you spew such irresponsibly inaccurate but comforting, self-congratulatory foolishness.

    The US was an ally of the Red Butcher, Stalin. That alone proves your suspicion suspicious.

    I will admit, however, that Joey did do the world a favor when he rid it of a lot of blood spattered old Bolshies. Too bad he couldn't manage to exterminate their bankster backers.
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  126. Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was.

    There was no free press as we understand it in Germany. Granted, ‘free press’ was never really free, but it’s still better than state-control.

    The fact is people in a democracy have the means to realize the truth.. even if they often don’t. Also, when things go badly, people may rise up. Also, even if your dissident voice is not heard, you don’t have constitutional guarantees in a system like National Socialist Germany.

    The fact is the Germans lost all means to oppose and protest Hitler as Nazis consolidated power. In contrast, there was an anti-war movement during the Vietnam War. And the press often went against the government during the war yrs.

    Another thing we have to know about Nazi Germany was that the National Socialists did some good things, even very good things. So, on that basis, it’s understandable why many Germans supported the system. No system is all bad. It does have beneficiaries, and those who benefit may become blind to those who don’t. To understand why things are the way they are, we need to understand that even nations that commit great evil may also do things of immense value. So, the moral issue becomes complicated. (Only Negroes make a mess of everything. All other peoples do bad but can build good on the bad. If Nazis had won in Russia, they would have committed great evils, but then would have built a great new nation atop the old one. But if Negroes take over, it’s all over. Look at Detroit.)

    At any rate, even if every order has a dominant official narrative, such is totally enforced in some systems whereas others do tolerate dissent and deviance. Try saying anything irreverent in North Korea. Try making fun of Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Denounce Che Guevara myth in Cuba, and see what happens.
    In liberal democracies, there is at least the freedom of dissent. And even if democracies also cracked down on dissent in some cases, there is still more freedom.
    Now, I think that may be the problem of power in democracy. Because people do have basic freedoms, they assume that everything is going well. I mean, how can there be autocratic or oligarchic power in a democracy when we are so FREE? But such lax attitude may allow devious elements to gain virtual autocratic power by gaining control of all the key institutions that matter. Deep State.
    Ideal is an active democracy where people don’t take their freedoms for granted and get involved in what’s what. But most people find politics boring. Esp local politics. So, they leave it up to others while they pursue fun stuff like recreation and entertainment.

    Our modern narrative of WWII was also written by victors,

    There’s one crucial difference. History may be written by the victorious side, but the writers may not necessarily be the scribes of the system. In the USSR, all history had to be official history with the stamp of approval by the state.
    That was not the case in the US. Many historians in the US wrote AGAINST the favored official narrative, and in some cases, their counter-narratives became the new prevailing narratives. Because of freedom of expression, even the losers and dissidents could write histories in the West.
    The South lost the war to the North, but southern historians dominated the Civil War and Reconstruction narrative for a time. Soon after WWI, there were many histories critical of US role in the war.
    If there’s sufficient freedom, there is no guarantee that historians in the winning side will be pro-their-own-side.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    Arguing with libby-dib patriotards, this might carry rhetorical water, but historically it’s questionable, especially in contrast to Nazi and Japanese war crimes. Most natives of Americas died of disease due to lack of immunity. Genocide requires intent. It’s like Mongols spread Bubonic plague that killed anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of Europeans. I don’t see that as genocide. Just ‘shi* happens’.
    Now, was there was a policy of expulsion and even at times extermination in the conquest of the New World? Yes, and this was a much bigger event in ‘Latin America’ than in US and Canada.
    North America was sparsely populated. White takeover was much like Russian takeover of Siberia. Humans are invasive and will take over vast empty lands. Indians were childish savages shooting arrows at bison and each other. They couldn’t have done much with the land. So, whites took over, built a great nation, and later apologized and gave Indians some reservations, which was decent enough.

    Nazi and Japanese plans were far more sinister since they tried to quell, destroy, or even eradicate advanced nations with huge populations. Both the scale and character of the aggression were different. Surely, knocking down some tippees isn’t as evil as razing Moscow to the ground. Surely, herding some red savages to a reservation isn’t as horrible as sacking an entire city like Nanking.

    Also, libby-dibs will rebut your argument as follows: “Because we whites did all those bad things, we must atone by allowing mass immigration from darkies.” I’m not sure how letting the world invade the US and Canada helps the native Indians, but there you go. Libby-dibs will not disagree with you but use your points to say THAT is why whites must welcome ‘white genocide’ via mass colonization from Third World. To be sure, white elites think, ‘Better immigrants than negroes. Immigrants can be our servants in cities whereas blacks will burn stuff down.’ The trick of the white/Jewish elites is to elevate blacks into holy icons while replacing them with newcomers.

    Anglo invaders then proceeded to wage another illegal and brutal war of annexation against Mexico from which is stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    In a way, that was an aggressive land grab, but I don’t see it as bad. Mexico held all that land but did NOTHING with it. Mexican elites were too afraid of their brown masses to inspire and use them properly. And the brown masses were making tortillas and dancing in circles like in THE WILD BUNCH. And the war wasn’t all that brutal. It was swift and over pretty quickly as the Mexers couldn’t fight worth a damn. Look what great things Anglos did with the SW territory. The real crime was letting all those Mexers over the border. Now, it’s being Mexicanized again… which is why even Mexicans in those areas move to OTHER areas of the US because regions run by Mexicans is just like more of Mexico.

    At any rate, once the war was over, Anglos and Mexicans got along pretty well. It’s like in PAT GARRETT AND BILLY THE KID where Slim Pickens has a Mexican wife. The real Pat Garrett had a Mexican wife too.

    Should I even mention the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

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    Selling opium was pretty bad, but it was David Sassoon the Jew who done most of it.
    Now, see the good side of British imperialism in China. It led to the overthrow of the foreign Manchus and rise of Chinese mass politics. Also, British development of Hong Kong taught Chinese a lot about world trade. And British ‘racism’ was good stuff. It encouraged non-whites elites to serve their own kind as they were kept out of white clubs. (Now that non-white elites are welcomed into globo Jewish/white clubs, they become like Fareed Zakaria and Francis Cukuyama who serve the empire.) Also, British ‘racism’ reduced chance of race-mixing, and that meant Anglo men didn’t sexually exploit darky women as much as the Spanish and the French did. (How nicer it would have been for the Russians if Mongols were ‘racists’ who didn’t go for race-mixing. There would have been less rape.)
    For many centuries, China was full of itself, arrogant and stagnant. But due to Western incursions, it was forced to change its ways, and mostly for the better. The worst events of China during this period was from Japanese imperialism and then Maoism.

    Apartheid was not evil. As whites were the minority in South Africa, they needed an apartheid system if they were to rule. I mean look what happened to SA ever since it turned democratic.
    Also, apartheid was esp necessary because race-ism is real. Blacks are more muscular, more aggressive, and less intelligent. They are the savage race. So, whites could not offer them equality. Blacks would just run riot, loot, holler, wallop, and rape whitey.

    As for the Irish, they are a difficult people. They got bad temper, have moldy potatoes for brains, and love to fight all the time. Fighting Irish indeed. And Irish are stupid. I mean they fought so hard for independence but now they are allowing their nation to be colonized by Africans and homomania. A bunch of taterheads.

    The Soviet Union can be credited with the destruction of roughly 80% of the Nazi military machine. The US-UK correspondingly can be credited with no more than 20% of the Allied war effort.

    This is true, but USSR got key support from the US, especially in the form of trucks.

    Another thing. Soviet victory over Nazis meant replacing one tyranny with another whereas US victory meant spread of democratic governments. So, even though USSR did more to crush the Germans, it was the American Ideals that were the shining promise in postwar world. And back then, US was not this PC homo-degenerate interracist nation. US was rationally race-ist and respected nationalism. It had yet to be taken over by Jewish globalists and their cuck-turds. Of course, today, US is the biggest source of evil in the world: military, economic, cultural, moral, spiritual(with homomania as new religion).

    It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers! That should tell you a little something about the kind of military machine the Soviet Union had developed in the course of the war against Nazi Germany

    No, the Soviets crushed the Japanese not because they had these great weaponry but because Japanese had nothing. No tanks, no planes, nothing. They just had rifles and molotov cocktails. And some swords. Japan had expended all its war material against Americans and due to US control of seas, Japanese military in North China had no means to supply itself.

    They also made sure that Western Europe would become an immense market for US goods and services and that European resources would be made available to the US Empire, especially against the Soviet Union. And how did they finance this “generosity”? By robbing the so-called Third World blind, that’s all.

    US robbed the third world blind soon after WWII? Where do you get this? Imperialism doesn’t necessarily make a nation rich. Russia had a vast empire for centuries, but that didn’t make it rich. Soviet Empire collapsed.
    US was rich cuz of its great natural resources(America was an empire unto itself), work ethic, free enterprise, innovation, and market economy. And rule of law and property rights.
    If imperialism makes a nation rich, why did Spain decline and decline even though it had a big head start in the imperialist game? America had mostly white people with sound values and sound ideology. And lots of land and resources. The idea that US made Europe rich after WWII by looting the Third World is nuts.

    Also, there is nothing wrong making a nation a market of something. Markets are good. US became a market for European goods(like German cars and Italian shoes), and Europe became a market for US goods. Nothing wrong with that.

    The wealth of Western Europe was built by the abject poverty of the millions of Africans, Asians and Latin Americas.

    Blacks in Africa were always poor. Prior to imperialism, Asia was stagnant and making no progress. Imperialism built up Africa. Africa declined AFTER the Europeans left. Japan made progress by adopting western ways. And China was making headway in the 1930s… until Japan invaded and made a mess of things.

    As for Latin America, that was a European creation. If Spanish and Portuguese had been smarter and had better ideas, they would have achieved much more. Anglo-US came to dominate Latin America because the Latin elites sucked so bad and ruled over brown masses who were never taught anything.

    Stalin wanted a united, neutral Germany. As soon as the war ended, however, the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program and to subvert the Soviet Union.

    There’s surely blame to go around, but given Stalin’s record in the USSR, the idea that he had noble intentions in nations occupied by the Soviets is ludicrous. This is Stalin who did Katyn.
    Stalin had good reasons not to trust the US, but the US and Europeans had good reasons not to trust Stalin. There were many European communists who were pro-Stalinist and anti-American in the post-war yrs. French Communist Party and Italian Communist Party were big, and they were obedient to the USSR. But over time, they all came to see the Soviet system for what it is. The Hungarian uprising and Prague Spring.

    (USA) immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program

    Soviets did this too. They got Nazi German scientists to work in Soviet rockets.

    THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable.

    Those were POSSIBLE war plans. Every nation comes up with these hypothetical scenarios. The fact is sound minds had control in the US and didn’t carry out those plans. Suppose Hitler considered the invasion of Poland and Russia but didn’t carry them out. Then, we have to judge him by what he DID. The fact is, even if US had some nutters coming up with nutty plans, the Power decided against them.

    There is no reason to dig up all the skeletons from the past as every nation has them.

    What really matters is the NOW. In the NOW, Jewish globalism is the biggest power in the world, and US is its Jewel in the Crown, like India was the jewel in the crown of the British Empire.

    As the saying goes, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And Jewish Power has gotten very corrupt.

    This is too bad because Jews had once been effective critics of the empire. When Anglos ruled the world, Jews had to delegitimize Anglo power, and this made them sympathetic to the rest of the world. But now that Jews rule the US and World Power, they are now in pro-imperialist mode. It’s Pax Judaica. And for globalist missionary neo-religion, there is homomania.

    Homomania is necessary as a religion for globalism. After all, people are united by passion than by ideas. During the heyday of Western Imperialism, it was Christianity that supplied the moral passion for expansion. ‘We must conquer darkies to bring them to Jesus and God and salvation.’ Well, Christianity is now dead. Also, Jews hate it. So, they needed a new religion to make people support globalism with passion. Queertianity is the new holy theme that unites everyone behind Globalism. Westerners have been converted to the delirium of homo magic. The mere sight of homo colors makes them pee in their pants, have epileptic fits. They go into rapture mode. So, the globalists can justify ANY imperialist venture by shrouding it in homo colors. Hey look at Ukraine!! The coup was worth it cuz it now has Homo Parades. And Russia is EEEEEVIL because it bans homo parades and ‘gay marriage’. Homomania is now so holy among educated westerners that the Power can justify ANYTHING in their eyes as long as it is seen as spreading ‘gay’ stuff. It’s like so many Europeans and Americans supported any imperialist venture as long as it was portrayed as spreading Jesus and Salvation.

    In the past, the Left had religious zeal about class revolution. Marx and Lenin were gods back then. But former leftists(many of them Jews) got very rich, and the rich wanna get richer. And class politics gets in the way. Globalism makes the rich richer since they can snub the native working class and game the whole world for cheap labor.
    After WWII, the new passion among the Left was Third Worldism. As non-whites were struggling to gain national independence from European imperialists and fighting US ‘imperialists’ in Vietnam and due to Civil Rights Movement, the new big theme was standing with the darkies fighting for liberation. But that religion lost luster because, soon after liberation, so many third world nations sunk into corruption, tyranny, nastiness. Also, if siding with darkies against Wasps had been useful to Jews in their rise to power, Jews-as-new-elites were no longer interested in Darky Liberation since they now wanted to use globalist power around the world to expand Jewish wealth and power.
    So, Jews who’d been anti-Vietnam-War, were for Iraq War, Libya War, Syrian mess, new cold war with Russia, and etc. Granted, many Jews did oppose these, but Jewish elites have been for them.

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    still can't interest a Hollywood studio in producing your fiction, eh PF? keep spinning the yarns -- blind pigs and acorns eh wot?
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  127. @jacques sheete

    Now the slogan is ‘Yankee, take me to America’.
     
    Because you've bombed the Piss outta my country and I no longer have a place to live. Think Vietnamese boat people, for instance..

    The boaters were running from commies, not from bombs.

    People in South Vietnam stayed put when the US was bombing the hell out of Vietnam.

    It was after the war and during peacetime that many in the South decided to leave cuz they feared communism. As things turned out, they had good reasons to fear communism.

    The whole thing is tragic. US was wrong to divide the nation. And the North was courageous and patriotic in unifying the nation.

    But their form of Stalinism meant terror and tyranny for many yrs to come.

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  128. @Reverend Spooner
    AB Anonymous, your post is spot on.
    I totally agree with your statement when you say 'US is not just an Empire – it’s a hijacked Empire, with all its major institutes of power and about 10% of population actively helping the hijackers, while out of remaining roughly 90% only a tiny fraction understands what’s going on. "
    And thank you for the new label 'Global Criminals'.
    Thankfully the petrodollar is being abandoned and the days of the Saudi, Israeli, UK, Aussie American hegemony will end.

    Thank you. Let’s hope it’ll happen the way you described. I have a bit more pessimistic expectations.

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  129. iffen says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

    Naw, just opportunistic (or smart); they had to wait and see which side was going to win.

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  130. rented mule says: • Website

    I am not an intellectual Egg head, but i know Russian bullshit when i see it. so hears back at you
    America is so powerful that our mistake is being way too nice and patient.
    pear harbor and 9-11 false flag, fuck you. The ancient culture of Afghanistan worth saving, bullshit again. you ruski motherfuckers know all about that. All cultures are not equal and their primitive ass rape of little boy culture should be completely exterminated and all traces erased, if that takes killing every last one of them GOOD RIDDANCE. keep up your shit talk & sooner or later we are going to fight with you, finally an opponent that we will can and will have to go all out on. all you are is a gangster country that cant even keep your average life expectancy from falling. and Russian brides can be had for penny’s. nothing but a kleptocracy.
    HEY WRSA american haters fuck you too.

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    Hey dumbo, you don't have to fight the Russians. Just make some heroic Hollywood prequel movies. When the Russians see how brave you are in your movies, they'll never dare to fight you.
    , @iffen
    Hot Damn!

    It just makes one proud to be a Murican.
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  131. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sarah Toga

    The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now.
     
    Hmm.
    Look at who are the prime-movers behind dangerous, nation-wrecking mass-immigration.

    This is one place where Catholics and Evangelicals are buying into the same line of propaganda.
    The RCC is now a force pushing a mindless, dangerous mass-migration.
    Look at what "Francis" says, approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU.

    Evangelicals and "Main Line" Protestants are just as bad, profiteering from US-taxpayer-funded "refugee resettlement."

    We all need to understand the global plague of mass immigration is the number one world problem.

    I am ashamed of my fellow Christians who are suckered into open borders propaganda.

    approving violent Moslems and Africans flooding the EU

    In an article detailing the unabashed Evil of your beloved lily white kind, you bring up the relatively minor violence of migrating Moslems and Africans, as the “number one world problem.”

    You of course conveniently ignore the reason for the migration… the evil greed and psychopathy of your kind. Read the article again, you old fool.

    But, the likes of you will never ever see it.

    It is the reason why hell exists… must exist.

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    " ... of your kind ..."
     
    The ruling class that drive mass-migration is a small number, operating without approval. In fact, consciously acting against the expressed will of most White people.
    Your comment is nonsense.
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  132. @Beefcake the Mighty
    +1000 for the Megadeth reference.

    It’s bizarre. I thought I had seen everything.

    These points are like common, observed, documented history with dates carved in stone. Some of us haggle and debate over the details, subtleties, and implications but the basics have become fairly standardized.

    Putin himself would sign off on this stuff.

    But it’s like a parallel historical universe here with the Russians.

    Ironically, the Westerners here are about as friendly, cooperative, knowledgeable, and tolerant of anything Russia as you are going to get anywhere in the West. We are almost all highly skeptical at the very least to highly critical of the American Deep State and Empire…and yet we are told by these Russians that we don’t know anything about how the world works or especially our own country and our own history.

    So Far, So Good…So What :)

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    Yeah, it's a bit discouraging, really, many Russians here seem to look for any excuse to pick a fight (and I am generally pro-Putin, BTW, for rescuing his country from parasitical "western" economic "advisors", and standing against Ango-Zionist imperialism).
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  133. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Tom Welsh
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/f9/8d/bcf98d939265876f4c181c5f8b1aa453.jpg

    “It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities.”

    Yes that tactical decision being to wait until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi’s down sufficiently

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    In a sense, you are quite right. The Normandy invasion could by no means go ahead "until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi’s down sufficiently".

    But not necessarily for geopolitical reasons. The success of the invasion - don't forget, by far the biggest sea-borne invasion ever - hung in the balance even as things were. Had the Germans disposed of even a dozen or so of the scores of divisions tied down in the East (and destroyed in the course of Operation Bagration, for instance) the invasion might have been repelled with appalling losses. The consequencew would have been a further year (or more) of delay in opening a Western front.
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  134. @Anon

    The enemy is within
     
    Is this Zen?

    They were mainly fleeing the bombs and devastation
     
    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn't fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn't American bombs they were fleeing.

    Is this Zen?

    No. It’s Rumsfeld.

    “The adversary is closer to home; it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy…”

    - Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn’t fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn’t American bombs they were fleeing.

    The shooting may have stopped, but the devastation of the bombs, Agent Orange and what not had turned the country into a basket case. In fact, the effects of those hideous things linger to this day, and you and I would wanna leave too, i think.

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    American bombs, generally speaking, fell on the North and neighboring countries; Red bombs fell on the South and Red Northern troops occupied it. Since the refugees were generally Southerners, they must have been fleeing the Reds. Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?
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  135. Mulegino1 says:
    @Avery
    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU - Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, 'enslave' East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,....
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, 'liberated' by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (...it sure isn't Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While 'enlightened', 'liberated' Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the 'Free World'.

    --------
    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

    The largest invasion force in recorded history was staging in offensive formations in the Bialystok and Lvov salients. The bulk of the Soviet front line airforce was sitting on tarmacs wingtip to wingtip in very close proximity to the western frontiers (most of it was destroyed on June 22, 1941). The most powerful army in the world, the 9th Rifle Corps, was deploying on the Romanian border within easy striking distance of the Romanian oil fields. Large numbers of light infantry were being deployed in the Carpathians; the Danube Flotilla was preparing to sortie.

    It is only the fact that the Soviet forces were caught while staging for an unprecedented invasion of Central Europe that can possibly explain the vast envelopments achieved by the Wehrmacht and its allies in the first few weeks and months of Barbarossa. Had they been deployed in defensive formations in depth, the Germans would have never been able to breach the Stalin Line.

    Hitler quite candidly admitted to Mannerheim that he knew that Barbarossa was a desperate gamble and that his armed forces were not equipped to wage a winter war or a war of attrition with an enemy as powerful as the USSR, but he gave the order anyway, as he knew that had the Soviets struck first and seized the Romanian oil fields, the Wehrmacht would have had a two weeks or so supply of petrol and all of its mechanized units to a halt. With nothing in its way, the gargantuan Soviet invasion force would have engulfed the European continent like a tsunami.

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  136. @bdub
    Would largely agree with FederalistForever above. The article is just so full of falsehoods that any valid points it makes are difficult to take seriously.

    Can agree that the United States has not always been the poster child for good conduct, but am pretty sure that there is no nation/state that has conducted themselves in a manner that would not lead to condemnation from somebody. My suspicion is that the United States would rank on the gentler, kinder end of the scale.

    There are too many errors in the supposed facts given for this to be taken seriously.

    "The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war." The United States formally entered WWII 8 Dec 1941. The Battle of Stalingrad was Aug 1942 - Feb 1943, the Battle of Kursk was 5 July - 23 Aug 1943. Either the author is full of crap, is too lazy to do basic fact checking or has an agenda and doesn't want facts to stand in his way...

    "It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers!" At the time of the Soviet attack on Manchuria, there was not a single combat ready division in the Japanese Kwantung Army, with a number of the divisions only reporting 15% readiness. The Kwantung Army has been steadily bled of its best leadership, men, materials and equipment to reinforce/replenish other Japanese Army units that had been engaged against Allied (mostly American) forces in the Pacific. Again - if the author had only read the article he referenced...basic fact checking. Not to take anything away from the Soviet accomplishment in Manchuria - it was a masterful accomplishment of logistics and planning.

    As far as US/Allied plots against the USSR during WWII, it might be worthwhile to remember that many in our military saw the USSR and its leadership in a more realistic, immediate manner than our political leaders at the time. Saker seems to conveniently forget about many of the revelations of the Venona Papers and the USSR's actions against the US and Great Britain at the time (Rosenbergs, Cambridge Five...)

    My suspicion is that the United States would rank on the gentler, kinder end of the scale.

    That sounds more like BS than a credible suspicion. You may want to do a bit of serious study before you spew such irresponsibly inaccurate but comforting, self-congratulatory foolishness.

    The US was an ally of the Red Butcher, Stalin. That alone proves your suspicion suspicious.

    I will admit, however, that Joey did do the world a favor when he rid it of a lot of blood spattered old Bolshies. Too bad he couldn’t manage to exterminate their bankster backers.

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  137. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow
    I can assure you that neither Czechs nor Slovaks in general favour 'foreign military interventions'. That also holds true for almost all of the elite, comprador or not. I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.

    The fear of 'empty space' that you use is silly. There is no space to fill. People have always lived together and fought together, there is no 'space manager' on this planet. You just become part of the fight with all the consequences. You cannot even theoretically fill the 'space', that's a crazy abstraction. Remember, a map is not the territory.

    Am I getting inappropriately 'involved'?

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?

    Free will, brother….free will…..

    Semantics !?

    Power vacuum then.

    Speaking of “Czechs or Slovaks” you remember ’68?

    So, should you have an opportunity to choose, which master you’d prefer: Russian or American?

    Yes, yes, I know that it would be right,proper, the best, whatever, to be without any master, but,Czechs or Slovaks, of all the people, should know how the real world really works.

    I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.

    You mean which master the’d prefer?
    Probably.
    I have zero doubts about some, too.

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    you remember ’68?
     
    No, ancient history. But I do remember bombing of Kosovo for 'human rights'.

    It is a shallow nonsense to state that in a 'real world' one must choose a master. Allies, yes, friends, yes, but where do you get the idea that one must have a master civilization to defer to?

    'Power vacuum'? What does that actually mean? How would it work in practise in today's Europe? All countries in Europe have more than enough 'governments', institutions and a stable civilization. There is literally a zero chance of a 'vacuum', power or otherwise. Those societies are fairly well governed. The main threat they are facing are unmanageable migrants from the Third World. And possibly some mutual hostilities traced back to their contentious history. But neither US, nor Russia, nor China, have much to do directly with any of it. Chasing towel-headed fanatics in Afghanistan or marching around the Baltic marshes are equally pointless when it comes to real threats those countries are facing. We all know it and the false choice that you are trying to push on us is absurd in its face. It is in your head, the dichotomy of latter-day Cold War grandpas, it means nothing today.
    , @Kiza
    As someone who used to be a regular commenter here and now come here only when have absolutely nothing better to do, I would like to award you the title of the most brainwashed, dumb and annoying troll on unz.com. Since I reside in the same country as you do, I actually find it hard to imagine that such sh** rolls down the same streets that I walk. Simply, I have never met crap like you in this fine country. You and a couple of other morons are the reason that I am not commenting here any more. You can enjoy the cesspool you created together with your Hasbara friends, Averies and other assorted.

    To put it in another way - you are so full of valuable opinions as a turd is rich in vitamins.

    If she have not said do already, unz comments are a cesspool now, unfortunately.

    PS I thought that Wizzard of Oz was bad till this empty-headed crap showed up.
    , @Anonymous
    I'll pick Dragon. They seem like they plan ahead beyond 4 years.

    At least the Chinese will mostly leave us alone beyond economics and they helped us against the Americans when your masters decided to abuse us for fun. Repeatedly.

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  138. Cyrano says:
    @rented mule
    I am not an intellectual Egg head, but i know Russian bullshit when i see it. so hears back at you
    America is so powerful that our mistake is being way too nice and patient.
    pear harbor and 9-11 false flag, fuck you. The ancient culture of Afghanistan worth saving, bullshit again. you ruski motherfuckers know all about that. All cultures are not equal and their primitive ass rape of little boy culture should be completely exterminated and all traces erased, if that takes killing every last one of them GOOD RIDDANCE. keep up your shit talk & sooner or later we are going to fight with you, finally an opponent that we will can and will have to go all out on. all you are is a gangster country that cant even keep your average life expectancy from falling. and Russian brides can be had for penny's. nothing but a kleptocracy.
    HEY WRSA american haters fuck you too.

    Hey dumbo, you don’t have to fight the Russians. Just make some heroic Hollywood prequel movies. When the Russians see how brave you are in your movies, they’ll never dare to fight you.

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    Red Dawn 1984 teamed the Sovs up with the Cubans, but the latter seem rather toothless now, so Red Dawn 2012 teamed the Russkies up with the big, bad Norks.
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  139. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Mason
    You only have to read the Old Testament to see that even God was a war criminal, particularly if seen from the point of view of Baal or the Philistines. And the Romans, although known for propagating aspects of civilization like public baths, clean water, sewerage, and the rule of law, were not averse to X-rated entertainment like watching enemies of the state eaten by lions.

    A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator, and that lesser breeds needed to knuckle down and accept their place in the world or they would get their just desserts.

    Since God's retirement there has been a lot less of the Spanish Inquisition and that kind of thing, though admittedly there is a kind of residual effect in the consideration of human history that prevents us from being too hard on our forefathers. The case for the defense may be summed up as forgive them for they knew not what they did.

    However, to be fair, a lot of the Native Americans were already regularly killing each other before they came under the British Crown and it was time for the business of culling excess human beings to be brought under central control. Native Americans are now running casinos, which is a step up from ripping off scalps.

    Although George W. Bush reintroduced torture which had generally fallen out of favor, his heart was in the right place, and who is to say that a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization's finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? They know they screwed up, and they have promised not to do it again. Now they are making Volkswagens, not waging war.

    a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    Pagan polytheist human worshippers, following a belief system based primarily on hearsay, consider themselves the purveyors of The Truth.

    And, those following true unbending monotheism, are infidels?

    Remember this; Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

    No amount of spin, or exultation of worldly glory, can whitewash who the real infidels are. :)

    Hell’s torturous embrace awaits your torture loving soul man!

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  140. iffen says:
    @rented mule
    I am not an intellectual Egg head, but i know Russian bullshit when i see it. so hears back at you
    America is so powerful that our mistake is being way too nice and patient.
    pear harbor and 9-11 false flag, fuck you. The ancient culture of Afghanistan worth saving, bullshit again. you ruski motherfuckers know all about that. All cultures are not equal and their primitive ass rape of little boy culture should be completely exterminated and all traces erased, if that takes killing every last one of them GOOD RIDDANCE. keep up your shit talk & sooner or later we are going to fight with you, finally an opponent that we will can and will have to go all out on. all you are is a gangster country that cant even keep your average life expectancy from falling. and Russian brides can be had for penny's. nothing but a kleptocracy.
    HEY WRSA american haters fuck you too.

    Hot Damn!

    It just makes one proud to be a Murican.

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  141. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @jacques sheete

    Is this Zen?
     
    No. It's Rumsfeld.

    “The adversary is closer to home; it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy…”

    - Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

     


    Probably, but since the war was over, and American bombs hadn’t fallen since two years before the end of the war, it wasn’t American bombs they were fleeing.
     
    The shooting may have stopped, but the devastation of the bombs, Agent Orange and what not had turned the country into a basket case. In fact, the effects of those hideous things linger to this day, and you and I would wanna leave too, i think.

    American bombs, generally speaking, fell on the North and neighboring countries; Red bombs fell on the South and Red Northern troops occupied it. Since the refugees were generally Southerners, they must have been fleeing the Reds. Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?

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    I was using the word, "bombs," largely as a figure of speech.
    Anyway, "bombs" can also refer to nearly any HE ordnance such as artillery shells and mortar rounds, and plenty of that was "dropped" on S Vietnam too. Not to mention the carpet bombing of rice paddies from the air in that part of the country. I wouldn't be surprised if Google maps doesn't show evidence of the bomb craters to this day.

    Anyway, If you want to beat a tired horse, be my guest.

    (I didn't mean that literally, either, Pardner!)
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  142. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Good points; 2) does not count though, neutrals have trade rights. 5) should be clarified as Germans actually prevented aid from German-aligned nations (certainly Italy) from reaching Finland.

    Nonsense, you have no proof.

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  143. Wally says:
    @utu
    However, it is slightly inaccurate to say that “the Russians were allied with the Nazis”.

    Must be very slightly.

    1. Invaded Poland together. Had victory parade together. Had Gestapo-NKVD conferences in occupied Poland.
    2. Traded
    3. Stalin ordered all communist parties in the world to cease all ant-NAZI propaganda. Some communist outfits cooperated with Gestapo in occupied France denouncing anti-German resistance. In the US till June 22, 1941 communists were siding with the America First isolationist and were acting against pro war British propaganda.
    4. When Germany was invading countries in the West USSR was invading countries in the East.
    5. When USSR attacked Finland UK was considerings sending help to Finland and Germany did not do it. UK was considering bombing of Baku so Germany would not get oil.

    facts:
    - USSR invaded Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, invaded & annexed parts of Romania, invaded Iran, invaded northern Norway and the Danish island of Bornholm, yet the ‘Allies’ did nothing.

    - Poland invaded and annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, held large parts of German territory, was engaged in atrocities against German civilians. Yet the ‘Allies did nothing.

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  144. Wally says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Don't forget the fantastical 1.4M the Soviets claimed were killed at Majdanek (the accepted number now is 75,000). These propaganda fables form much backbone of the WW2 myth, both in America and Russia.

    And even the reduced 75,000 is an easily debunked fraud.

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

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    Re. Babi Yar, the commonly referenced 34K number refers to Jews only, the official account holds that 150K (Slavs, communists, etc.) were shot by the Germans there, the bodies conveniently (and absurdly) washed away by a flood in the 60's (never mind there is no archaeological evidence from aerial photos of such an enormous mass grave anyway).
    , @Seraphim
    Talking about Babi Yar, the figure is...33,771 (you'll love the precision of it!), put on the account of the Commander of the camp, Paul Blobel, by a vapid http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/270.html. And of course, by 'retrieved memories' of 'survivors'.
    As in many other cases the figures hardly match the number of killings attributable to Blobel by the Nurnberg Tribunal: "during testimony he was alleged to have killed 10,000–15,000" (Wikipedia) in all his career.
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  145. Wally says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason
    You only have to read the Old Testament to see that even God was a war criminal, particularly if seen from the point of view of Baal or the Philistines. And the Romans, although known for propagating aspects of civilization like public baths, clean water, sewerage, and the rule of law, were not averse to X-rated entertainment like watching enemies of the state eaten by lions.

    A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator, and that lesser breeds needed to knuckle down and accept their place in the world or they would get their just desserts.

    Since God's retirement there has been a lot less of the Spanish Inquisition and that kind of thing, though admittedly there is a kind of residual effect in the consideration of human history that prevents us from being too hard on our forefathers. The case for the defense may be summed up as forgive them for they knew not what they did.

    However, to be fair, a lot of the Native Americans were already regularly killing each other before they came under the British Crown and it was time for the business of culling excess human beings to be brought under central control. Native Americans are now running casinos, which is a step up from ripping off scalps.

    Although George W. Bush reintroduced torture which had generally fallen out of favor, his heart was in the right place, and who is to say that a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization's finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? They know they screwed up, and they have promised not to do it again. Now they are making Volkswagens, not waging war.

    “The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization’s finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? ”

    Sorry for what?
    The Allies had tons of ‘concentration camps’.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM
    $151,826,695.00

    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf

    US Taxpayers money to to USHMM:
    56,999,500.00
    source: https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    “Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché.”

    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

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  146. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @isthatright
    remember the booby trapped toys supposedly left by the Soviets in the khyber pass? Saddam's rape rooms? just two more off the top of my head

    — FDR’s fireside chat when he told the American people he had a map showing German plans to invade USA thru Mexico, plunder their way to DC and topple the US government.

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  147. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was.

    There was no free press as we understand it in Germany. Granted, 'free press' was never really free, but it's still better than state-control.

    The fact is people in a democracy have the means to realize the truth.. even if they often don't. Also, when things go badly, people may rise up. Also, even if your dissident voice is not heard, you don't have constitutional guarantees in a system like National Socialist Germany.

    The fact is the Germans lost all means to oppose and protest Hitler as Nazis consolidated power. In contrast, there was an anti-war movement during the Vietnam War. And the press often went against the government during the war yrs.

    Another thing we have to know about Nazi Germany was that the National Socialists did some good things, even very good things. So, on that basis, it's understandable why many Germans supported the system. No system is all bad. It does have beneficiaries, and those who benefit may become blind to those who don't. To understand why things are the way they are, we need to understand that even nations that commit great evil may also do things of immense value. So, the moral issue becomes complicated. (Only Negroes make a mess of everything. All other peoples do bad but can build good on the bad. If Nazis had won in Russia, they would have committed great evils, but then would have built a great new nation atop the old one. But if Negroes take over, it's all over. Look at Detroit.)

    At any rate, even if every order has a dominant official narrative, such is totally enforced in some systems whereas others do tolerate dissent and deviance. Try saying anything irreverent in North Korea. Try making fun of Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Denounce Che Guevara myth in Cuba, and see what happens.
    In liberal democracies, there is at least the freedom of dissent. And even if democracies also cracked down on dissent in some cases, there is still more freedom.
    Now, I think that may be the problem of power in democracy. Because people do have basic freedoms, they assume that everything is going well. I mean, how can there be autocratic or oligarchic power in a democracy when we are so FREE? But such lax attitude may allow devious elements to gain virtual autocratic power by gaining control of all the key institutions that matter. Deep State.
    Ideal is an active democracy where people don't take their freedoms for granted and get involved in what's what. But most people find politics boring. Esp local politics. So, they leave it up to others while they pursue fun stuff like recreation and entertainment.

    Our modern narrative of WWII was also written by victors,

    There's one crucial difference. History may be written by the victorious side, but the writers may not necessarily be the scribes of the system. In the USSR, all history had to be official history with the stamp of approval by the state.
    That was not the case in the US. Many historians in the US wrote AGAINST the favored official narrative, and in some cases, their counter-narratives became the new prevailing narratives. Because of freedom of expression, even the losers and dissidents could write histories in the West.
    The South lost the war to the North, but southern historians dominated the Civil War and Reconstruction narrative for a time. Soon after WWI, there were many histories critical of US role in the war.
    If there's sufficient freedom, there is no guarantee that historians in the winning side will be pro-their-own-side.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    Arguing with libby-dib patriotards, this might carry rhetorical water, but historically it's questionable, especially in contrast to Nazi and Japanese war crimes. Most natives of Americas died of disease due to lack of immunity. Genocide requires intent. It's like Mongols spread Bubonic plague that killed anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of Europeans. I don't see that as genocide. Just 'shi* happens'.
    Now, was there was a policy of expulsion and even at times extermination in the conquest of the New World? Yes, and this was a much bigger event in 'Latin America' than in US and Canada.
    North America was sparsely populated. White takeover was much like Russian takeover of Siberia. Humans are invasive and will take over vast empty lands. Indians were childish savages shooting arrows at bison and each other. They couldn't have done much with the land. So, whites took over, built a great nation, and later apologized and gave Indians some reservations, which was decent enough.

    Nazi and Japanese plans were far more sinister since they tried to quell, destroy, or even eradicate advanced nations with huge populations. Both the scale and character of the aggression were different. Surely, knocking down some tippees isn't as evil as razing Moscow to the ground. Surely, herding some red savages to a reservation isn't as horrible as sacking an entire city like Nanking.

    Also, libby-dibs will rebut your argument as follows: "Because we whites did all those bad things, we must atone by allowing mass immigration from darkies." I'm not sure how letting the world invade the US and Canada helps the native Indians, but there you go. Libby-dibs will not disagree with you but use your points to say THAT is why whites must welcome 'white genocide' via mass colonization from Third World. To be sure, white elites think, 'Better immigrants than negroes. Immigrants can be our servants in cities whereas blacks will burn stuff down.' The trick of the white/Jewish elites is to elevate blacks into holy icons while replacing them with newcomers.

    Anglo invaders then proceeded to wage another illegal and brutal war of annexation against Mexico from which is stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    In a way, that was an aggressive land grab, but I don't see it as bad. Mexico held all that land but did NOTHING with it. Mexican elites were too afraid of their brown masses to inspire and use them properly. And the brown masses were making tortillas and dancing in circles like in THE WILD BUNCH. And the war wasn't all that brutal. It was swift and over pretty quickly as the Mexers couldn't fight worth a damn. Look what great things Anglos did with the SW territory. The real crime was letting all those Mexers over the border. Now, it's being Mexicanized again... which is why even Mexicans in those areas move to OTHER areas of the US because regions run by Mexicans is just like more of Mexico.

    At any rate, once the war was over, Anglos and Mexicans got along pretty well. It's like in PAT GARRETT AND BILLY THE KID where Slim Pickens has a Mexican wife. The real Pat Garrett had a Mexican wife too.

    Should I even mention the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

    Selling opium was pretty bad, but it was David Sassoon the Jew who done most of it.
    Now, see the good side of British imperialism in China. It led to the overthrow of the foreign Manchus and rise of Chinese mass politics. Also, British development of Hong Kong taught Chinese a lot about world trade. And British 'racism' was good stuff. It encouraged non-whites elites to serve their own kind as they were kept out of white clubs. (Now that non-white elites are welcomed into globo Jewish/white clubs, they become like Fareed Zakaria and Francis Cukuyama who serve the empire.) Also, British 'racism' reduced chance of race-mixing, and that meant Anglo men didn't sexually exploit darky women as much as the Spanish and the French did. (How nicer it would have been for the Russians if Mongols were 'racists' who didn't go for race-mixing. There would have been less rape.)
    For many centuries, China was full of itself, arrogant and stagnant. But due to Western incursions, it was forced to change its ways, and mostly for the better. The worst events of China during this period was from Japanese imperialism and then Maoism.

    Apartheid was not evil. As whites were the minority in South Africa, they needed an apartheid system if they were to rule. I mean look what happened to SA ever since it turned democratic.
    Also, apartheid was esp necessary because race-ism is real. Blacks are more muscular, more aggressive, and less intelligent. They are the savage race. So, whites could not offer them equality. Blacks would just run riot, loot, holler, wallop, and rape whitey.

    As for the Irish, they are a difficult people. They got bad temper, have moldy potatoes for brains, and love to fight all the time. Fighting Irish indeed. And Irish are stupid. I mean they fought so hard for independence but now they are allowing their nation to be colonized by Africans and homomania. A bunch of taterheads.

    The Soviet Union can be credited with the destruction of roughly 80% of the Nazi military machine. The US-UK correspondingly can be credited with no more than 20% of the Allied war effort.

    This is true, but USSR got key support from the US, especially in the form of trucks.

    Another thing. Soviet victory over Nazis meant replacing one tyranny with another whereas US victory meant spread of democratic governments. So, even though USSR did more to crush the Germans, it was the American Ideals that were the shining promise in postwar world. And back then, US was not this PC homo-degenerate interracist nation. US was rationally race-ist and respected nationalism. It had yet to be taken over by Jewish globalists and their cuck-turds. Of course, today, US is the biggest source of evil in the world: military, economic, cultural, moral, spiritual(with homomania as new religion).

    It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers! That should tell you a little something about the kind of military machine the Soviet Union had developed in the course of the war against Nazi Germany

    No, the Soviets crushed the Japanese not because they had these great weaponry but because Japanese had nothing. No tanks, no planes, nothing. They just had rifles and molotov cocktails. And some swords. Japan had expended all its war material against Americans and due to US control of seas, Japanese military in North China had no means to supply itself.

    They also made sure that Western Europe would become an immense market for US goods and services and that European resources would be made available to the US Empire, especially against the Soviet Union. And how did they finance this “generosity”? By robbing the so-called Third World blind, that’s all.

    US robbed the third world blind soon after WWII? Where do you get this? Imperialism doesn't necessarily make a nation rich. Russia had a vast empire for centuries, but that didn't make it rich. Soviet Empire collapsed.
    US was rich cuz of its great natural resources(America was an empire unto itself), work ethic, free enterprise, innovation, and market economy. And rule of law and property rights.
    If imperialism makes a nation rich, why did Spain decline and decline even though it had a big head start in the imperialist game? America had mostly white people with sound values and sound ideology. And lots of land and resources. The idea that US made Europe rich after WWII by looting the Third World is nuts.

    Also, there is nothing wrong making a nation a market of something. Markets are good. US became a market for European goods(like German cars and Italian shoes), and Europe became a market for US goods. Nothing wrong with that.

    The wealth of Western Europe was built by the abject poverty of the millions of Africans, Asians and Latin Americas.

    Blacks in Africa were always poor. Prior to imperialism, Asia was stagnant and making no progress. Imperialism built up Africa. Africa declined AFTER the Europeans left. Japan made progress by adopting western ways. And China was making headway in the 1930s... until Japan invaded and made a mess of things.

    As for Latin America, that was a European creation. If Spanish and Portuguese had been smarter and had better ideas, they would have achieved much more. Anglo-US came to dominate Latin America because the Latin elites sucked so bad and ruled over brown masses who were never taught anything.

    Stalin wanted a united, neutral Germany. As soon as the war ended, however, the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program and to subvert the Soviet Union.

    There's surely blame to go around, but given Stalin's record in the USSR, the idea that he had noble intentions in nations occupied by the Soviets is ludicrous. This is Stalin who did Katyn.
    Stalin had good reasons not to trust the US, but the US and Europeans had good reasons not to trust Stalin. There were many European communists who were pro-Stalinist and anti-American in the post-war yrs. French Communist Party and Italian Communist Party were big, and they were obedient to the USSR. But over time, they all came to see the Soviet system for what it is. The Hungarian uprising and Prague Spring.

    (USA) immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program

    Soviets did this too. They got Nazi German scientists to work in Soviet rockets.

    THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable.


    Those were POSSIBLE war plans. Every nation comes up with these hypothetical scenarios. The fact is sound minds had control in the US and didn't carry out those plans. Suppose Hitler considered the invasion of Poland and Russia but didn't carry them out. Then, we have to judge him by what he DID. The fact is, even if US had some nutters coming up with nutty plans, the Power decided against them.

    There is no reason to dig up all the skeletons from the past as every nation has them.

    What really matters is the NOW. In the NOW, Jewish globalism is the biggest power in the world, and US is its Jewel in the Crown, like India was the jewel in the crown of the British Empire.

    As the saying goes, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And Jewish Power has gotten very corrupt.

    This is too bad because Jews had once been effective critics of the empire. When Anglos ruled the world, Jews had to delegitimize Anglo power, and this made them sympathetic to the rest of the world. But now that Jews rule the US and World Power, they are now in pro-imperialist mode. It's Pax Judaica. And for globalist missionary neo-religion, there is homomania.

    Homomania is necessary as a religion for globalism. After all, people are united by passion than by ideas. During the heyday of Western Imperialism, it was Christianity that supplied the moral passion for expansion. 'We must conquer darkies to bring them to Jesus and God and salvation.' Well, Christianity is now dead. Also, Jews hate it. So, they needed a new religion to make people support globalism with passion. Queertianity is the new holy theme that unites everyone behind Globalism. Westerners have been converted to the delirium of homo magic. The mere sight of homo colors makes them pee in their pants, have epileptic fits. They go into rapture mode. So, the globalists can justify ANY imperialist venture by shrouding it in homo colors. Hey look at Ukraine!! The coup was worth it cuz it now has Homo Parades. And Russia is EEEEEVIL because it bans homo parades and 'gay marriage'. Homomania is now so holy among educated westerners that the Power can justify ANYTHING in their eyes as long as it is seen as spreading 'gay' stuff. It's like so many Europeans and Americans supported any imperialist venture as long as it was portrayed as spreading Jesus and Salvation.

    In the past, the Left had religious zeal about class revolution. Marx and Lenin were gods back then. But former leftists(many of them Jews) got very rich, and the rich wanna get richer. And class politics gets in the way. Globalism makes the rich richer since they can snub the native working class and game the whole world for cheap labor.
    After WWII, the new passion among the Left was Third Worldism. As non-whites were struggling to gain national independence from European imperialists and fighting US 'imperialists' in Vietnam and due to Civil Rights Movement, the new big theme was standing with the darkies fighting for liberation. But that religion lost luster because, soon after liberation, so many third world nations sunk into corruption, tyranny, nastiness. Also, if siding with darkies against Wasps had been useful to Jews in their rise to power, Jews-as-new-elites were no longer interested in Darky Liberation since they now wanted to use globalist power around the world to expand Jewish wealth and power.
    So, Jews who'd been anti-Vietnam-War, were for Iraq War, Libya War, Syrian mess, new cold war with Russia, and etc. Granted, many Jews did oppose these, but Jewish elites have been for them.

    still can’t interest a Hollywood studio in producing your fiction, eh PF? keep spinning the yarns — blind pigs and acorns eh wot?

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  148. nickels says:
    @Wally
    There was no 'extermination' of Jews, period.

    The claimed '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are impossible frauds.

    Who knows.
    Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million.
    That’s the problem with jewish authors playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won’t be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they’ll just write the whole thing off.
    But neurotic authors are power hungry and $ hungry and don’t understand these things.

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    "Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million."

    Irving claims that "camps further east may have killed a couple million"? No way sir. Please post your source(s) for this absurdity.

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  149. nickels says:
    @Avery
    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU - Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, 'enslave' East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,....
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, 'liberated' by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (...it sure isn't Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While 'enlightened', 'liberated' Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the 'Free World'.

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    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

    Whether Hitler was Mother Theresa herself or the almighty devil is beside the point.
    The point is accurate history, not allied lies.

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  150. @Randal

    Not only that, but I would submit that most Germans would also believe that they were free people and that the regime they live under was a benevolent one.
     
    The reality is that freedom is not the simple yes/no issue that it is presented as by American-style simplist propagandists. It is a complex matter of degrees, and of more freedom in some areas versus less in others, of more freedom for some in a particular society versus less for others.

    One of the best easily readable anecdotal sources imo on the way government supporting Germans viewed their pre-WW2 government, is the following:

    They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45

    not credible, Randal, for reasons similar to nickel’s comment @146 –

    “That’s the problem with jewish authors playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won’t be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they’ll just write the whole thing off.”

    in other words, you can fool all of the people some of the time . . . but not all of the people all of the time. And time is running out for the tall-tale-tellers.

    in the period Mayer interviewed 10 Germans and wrote his book, Germany was fully under control of US psychological warfare squads, predominantly Jewish. Germans who did not stick to the script imposed on them by occupiers could find themselves living on the street, not getting food, losing their job. The Jewish psychological warfare operatives were brutal and thorough, and they were in control of Germany for over 5 years post-war.

    US occupiers had lists of American authors they sponsored — OSS -which turned into CIA — committed billions to creating propaganda and hiring propaganda writers. William Kristol got his start thanks to CIA financial support.

    Mayer may have been solid and independent, but, see above: the pond of history has forever been polluted by “Jews playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades.”

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    “Jews playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades.”
     
    Decades?

    Try millennia. Some of their own even accused them of it.

    Jeremiah 9

    7 Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty says:
    “See, I will refine and test them,
    for what else can I do
    because of the sin of my people?
    8 Their tongue is a deadly arrow;
    it speaks deceitfully.
    With their mouths they all speak cordially to their neighbors,
    but in their hearts they set traps for them.

    9 Should I not punish them for this?”
    declares the Lord.
    “Should I not avenge myself
    on such a nation as this?”
     


    2 Timothy

    10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
    11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.


     


    John 8:44

    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
     

    Then there's the old synagogue of Satan quote.

    (Rev 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

     

    None of these things are faults of the tribe alone, however. The point is neither are they blameless perpetual victims.
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  151. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @nickels
    Who knows.
    Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million.
    That's the problem with jewish authors playing 'tell the biggest lie' for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won't be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they'll just write the whole thing off.
    But neurotic authors are power hungry and $ hungry and don't understand these things.

    “Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million.”

    Irving claims that “camps further east may have killed a couple million”? No way sir. Please post your source(s) for this absurdity.

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    Irving gives his take on the holocaust at the end of this vid:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=97L_SJrPl6g
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    A very good discussion of Irving's frankly suspicious hedging on the question of the AR camps can be found here:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/4061/?page=1
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  152. anon says: • Disclaimer

    what did your friends think of Lazar Kaganovitch?

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  153. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Greg Bacon
    Thought the 'SAKER' was in control of his faculties but after reading this rant, implying that there is no difference between WW II Nazis and Americans, think the Saker has been too long out in the Sun.

    That's the same toxic BS the violent Judaic-led Antifa Thugs are pushing, that white Americans males are actually secret Nazis and must be exterminated.

    Yet the Saker nor Antifa mention the fact that the Bolshevik Jews, from 1917-1957 murdered around 66 million Russians, mostly Christians who refused to bow down to Godless Communism. Add in the other Commie slaughters and the figure is easily over 100 million.


    This toxic ideology is what the SAKER wants us to follow after his/her Antifa buds tear apart the USA?

    Leader was Stalin. A Christian.

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  154. Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled

    Jews saw Germans as “barbarians” which had to be starved, their economy shattered;

    http://www.whale.to/c/new_york_times.html

    Jews planned the incineration of German infants then carried out the project, firebombing 131 German cities, deducting them to rubble then strafing the homeless survivors. 7 million German civilians were rendered homeless. https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Bombing-Germany-1940-1945/dp/0231133812/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1505693764&sr=1-1&keywords=jorg+friedrich

    There was no lie so egregious — and preposterous — that numerous, prominent zionist Jews, mostly in USA, would not tell to incite hatred of Germans.

    i.e. from Peter Moreira’s biography of Henry Morgenthau, Jr: “Early in 1942 Rabbi Stephen Wise told Morgenthau that Germans were making soap and lampshades of Jewish flesh.”

    USA is carrying on almost exactly the same campaign of “Othering” against North Koreans, with the same ghoulish agenda — shatter the North Korean economy (in a softening up operation — sanctions have NEVER worked to “bring a nation to heel.”) for example: Gideon Rose: “North Korea is an evil porcupine . . .” https://www.c-span.org/video/?432425-4/washington-journal-gideon-rose-discusses-trump-admin-foreign-policy-challenges

    US Congress engaged in a shameful exercise in demeaning and childish name calling and called it decision-making re foreign policy , w/ Ed Royce, Eliot Engel & Brad Sherman leading the pack of rabid coyotes baying for the starvation of North Koreans https://www.c-span.org/video/?433679-1/house-members-brief-reporters-north-korea

    That is one reason why the lies about WWII are so pernicious: USA drinks its own KoolAid/propaganda and its turned US leaders into Draculas.

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  155. nickels says:
    @ANON
    "Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million."

    Irving claims that "camps further east may have killed a couple million"? No way sir. Please post your source(s) for this absurdity.

    Irving gives his take on the holocaust at the end of this vid:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=97L_SJrPl6g

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  156. Arizona says:

    In your objectivity you also fail to mention the horrors and atrocities committed by the “native” Americans against the “Anglos”.

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    LIke the atrocities committed by Syrians against the invaders of their land or Soviet soldiers. BTW I do not agree with Saker on the evil bolshevism, and I am a white Russian, like snow.
    , @uslabor
    Arizona, I hope somebody stakes you to an ant hill.
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  157. @Thirdeye
    Overall valid thesis undone by the inclusion of a bunch of extraneous and erroneous rubbish, from the supposed "polygenocide" to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I think The Saker's heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.

    Which of this wrong and why ? maybe the polygenocide term is wrong, but that is a semantic issue, not factual, the other one is the conspiracy theory, perhaps the most ridiculous conspiracy theory is the one proposed by the US govenrment: that towers build to sustain more than one airplane impact can crumble in freefall and that building 7 can crumble on its footprint at freefall speed WIHOUT being hit by a plane, read the website I posted ae911truth.org and start educating yourself before posting rubbish.

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    If you think about it for even a minute, Building 7 undoes the conspiracy theory rather than supporting it. The contention is that the airplane impacts were a cover for a demolition. So why would the conspirators do demolition on a building not impacted by an airplane and deliberately blow their cover if that were the case? They had some extra demo charges and couldn't help themselves from taking down Building 7 just for giggles?
    , @Somewhere in NE
    Wasn't Building 7 housing the records of the Enron investigation?
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  158. @Arizona
    In your objectivity you also fail to mention the horrors and atrocities committed by the "native" Americans against the "Anglos".

    LIke the atrocities committed by Syrians against the invaders of their land or Soviet soldiers. BTW I do not agree with Saker on the evil bolshevism, and I am a white Russian, like snow.

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  159. Eagle Eye says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war".

    Sorry, but that is wrong. The USA entered the war on December 11th, 1941. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States_(1941)

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later - incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.

    The battle of Stalingrad lasted from August 23rd, 1942 to January 31st, 1943. The battle of Kursk lasted from July 5th, 1943 to July 17th, 1943. They began eight months and 19 months respectively after the USA entered WW2.

    It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities.

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later – incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.

    The facts stated in support are true – Pearl Harbor happened, and Hitler declared war on the U.S.

    Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was “forced” to enter the war. The U.S. did “choose” to enter the Pacific and European war because FDR and the Communist agents around him (and some Brits) wanted the U.S. to enter the war.

    There is considerable evidence that FDR – always partial to a “get-rich-quick” scheme as noted by his biographer Conrad Black – had advance notice of Pearl Harbor plans and intentionally allowed the operation to proceed (while making sure to U.S. aircraft carriers would be affected). FDR needed a war to stay in office.

    Similarly, Germany does appear to have “declared war” on the U.S. in December 1941. But this “declaration” did not “force” the U.S. to enter the European theater. The U.S. could simply have chosen to stay on the sidelines as it had before December 1941. Again, whatever the military rights and wrongs, the salient fact is that FDR needed a war to stay in office.

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    'Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was “forced” to enter the war'.

    I don't think that can be quite what you meant to say. When your main battle fleet is attacked and many ships sunk with the loss of thousands of lives, you do not have the option of remaining at peace.

    Nor when a head of state personally declares war on your nation, as Hitler did. From that day on, all US forces and civilian property were liable to attack by the Axis, and any US government that did not defend itself or fight back would have been quickly strung up (by their necks if they were lucky).

    You seem to be saying that the US government secretly plotted to get the USA into the war. So what? If that is what happened, it was only FDR and a handful of his associates who were in the secret. The very fact that he plotted in secret - if he did - is the most powerful proof that the US people and the US government did NOT want to go to war.

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  160. uslabor says:
    @peterAUS
    Whooaah...............

    Anyway.

    Apologize for being the first and with "wrong" attitude. Time zones I guess.


    What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species?
     
    A conviction that Russia or/and China would not fill the empty space after US pulling out/weakening.

    Disclaimer:
    Thinking as one of those, quote: "Balt and Ukrainian", "Kosovo Albanians" and, my addition:
    Finns
    Polish
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    Hungarians
    Slovenians
    Croats
    Albanians (proper)
    Romanians
    Bulgarians.
    Georgians
    ...will stop here...there are more there but, no need....

    And, yes:
    Taiwanese
    South Korean
    ..probably more but let's not get carried away.

    So, probably the best for this "debate" would be if people from that list just don't get involved.

    You...the rest.......enjoy.

    And yet the list is a small minority of all the countries in the world. Not one in the entire continent of South America except for the elites of Columbia.

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    Hahaha......

    Maybe, just maybe, because they are far away from The Bear?
    Or The Dragon?

    Maybe close proximity of those from the list to those two Big Guys has something to do with their attitude?
    You know...closer they are.....?!?

    Just an idea.

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  161. @Anon
    American bombs, generally speaking, fell on the North and neighboring countries; Red bombs fell on the South and Red Northern troops occupied it. Since the refugees were generally Southerners, they must have been fleeing the Reds. Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?

    I was using the word, “bombs,” largely as a figure of speech.
    Anyway, “bombs” can also refer to nearly any HE ordnance such as artillery shells and mortar rounds, and plenty of that was “dropped” on S Vietnam too. Not to mention the carpet bombing of rice paddies from the air in that part of the country. I wouldn’t be surprised if Google maps doesn’t show evidence of the bomb craters to this day.

    Anyway, If you want to beat a tired horse, be my guest.

    (I didn’t mean that literally, either, Pardner!)

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    I say again:
    Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?

    I doubt the Communists would have been much less vindictive though, assuming they still won. It's not in the nature of Reds to live-and-let-live.

    Not that Americans are so great either, but when you're riding a dead horse, perhaps having a few people beating it helps. The previous sentence will make considerably more sense after a stiff brandy or two.
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  162. uslabor says:
    @Silva
    "Your country" is Russia, but you didn't bother to live in it last I checked. Has it changed? If not, care to explain why "your country" isn't the one you live in?

    You know, Silva, you’re right. Can’t we just build a wall between us and Russia to keep people like The Saker where he belongs? Huh, can’t we?

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    Why do you like immigrants who refuse to identify with the country they go to (i.e. rootless cosmopolitans)? I thought that was most of the problem.
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  163. uslabor says:
    @Arizona
    In your objectivity you also fail to mention the horrors and atrocities committed by the "native" Americans against the "Anglos".

    Arizona, I hope somebody stakes you to an ant hill.

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  164. @ANON
    "Irving claims Ausch. is a fraud, but that camps further east may have killed a couple million."

    Irving claims that "camps further east may have killed a couple million"? No way sir. Please post your source(s) for this absurdity.

    A very good discussion of Irving’s frankly suspicious hedging on the question of the AR camps can be found here:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/4061/?page=1

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    Interesting, thanks.
    What a crazy thread.
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  165. @SolontoCroesus
    not credible, Randal, for reasons similar to nickel's comment @146 --

    "That’s the problem with jewish authors playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades, right? Whatever lesson might be learned from history won’t be because people will become so disgusted with the tall tale they’ll just write the whole thing off."
     
    in other words, you can fool all of the people some of the time . . . but not all of the people all of the time. And time is running out for the tall-tale-tellers.

    in the period Mayer interviewed 10 Germans and wrote his book, Germany was fully under control of US psychological warfare squads, predominantly Jewish. Germans who did not stick to the script imposed on them by occupiers could find themselves living on the street, not getting food, losing their job. The Jewish psychological warfare operatives were brutal and thorough, and they were in control of Germany for over 5 years post-war.

    US occupiers had lists of American authors they sponsored -- OSS -which turned into CIA -- committed billions to creating propaganda and hiring propaganda writers. William Kristol got his start thanks to CIA financial support.

    Mayer may have been solid and independent, but, see above: the pond of history has forever been polluted by "Jews playing 'tell the biggest lie' for decades."

    “Jews playing ‘tell the biggest lie’ for decades.”

    Decades?

    Try millennia. Some of their own even accused them of it.

    Jeremiah 9

    7 Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty says:
    “See, I will refine and test them,
    for what else can I do
    because of the sin of my people?
    8 Their tongue is a deadly arrow;
    it speaks deceitfully.
    With their mouths they all speak cordially to their neighbors,
    but in their hearts they set traps for them.

    9 Should I not punish them for this?”
    declares the Lord.
    “Should I not avenge myself
    on such a nation as this?”

    2 Timothy

    10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
    11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

    John 8:44

    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    Then there’s the old synagogue of Satan quote.

    (Rev 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    None of these things are faults of the tribe alone, however. The point is neither are they blameless perpetual victims.

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  166. @Wally
    And even the reduced 75,000 is an easily debunked fraud.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Re. Babi Yar, the commonly referenced 34K number refers to Jews only, the official account holds that 150K (Slavs, communists, etc.) were shot by the Germans there, the bodies conveniently (and absurdly) washed away by a flood in the 60′s (never mind there is no archaeological evidence from aerial photos of such an enormous mass grave anyway).

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  167. @Johnny Rico
    It's bizarre. I thought I had seen everything.

    These points are like common, observed, documented history with dates carved in stone. Some of us haggle and debate over the details, subtleties, and implications but the basics have become fairly standardized.

    Putin himself would sign off on this stuff.

    But it's like a parallel historical universe here with the Russians.

    Ironically, the Westerners here are about as friendly, cooperative, knowledgeable, and tolerant of anything Russia as you are going to get anywhere in the West. We are almost all highly skeptical at the very least to highly critical of the American Deep State and Empire...and yet we are told by these Russians that we don't know anything about how the world works or especially our own country and our own history.

    So Far, So Good...So What :)

    Yeah, it’s a bit discouraging, really, many Russians here seem to look for any excuse to pick a fight (and I am generally pro-Putin, BTW, for rescuing his country from parasitical “western” economic “advisors”, and standing against Ango-Zionist imperialism).

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  168. Seraphim says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce.
     
    Unlikely, considering there were far fewer executioners than executed, and a good percentage of them belonged to a specific ethnocultural group that gradually turned against the USSR once they were driven out of power around 1938, after which most of them eventually emigrated.

    https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1402/04/1402044461640.png

    @a specific ethnocultural group that gradually turned against the USSR once they were driven out of power

    Bullseye.
    It is a phenomenon observed and in other ‘communist’ countries (Romania, for example).

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  169. Mr. Saker,
    My response to your expose is this:
    We won…they lost. Deal with it.
    Cheers.

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  170. @Avery
    {(2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler’s big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.}

    Like all neo-Hitlerite apologists and revisionists you too are suffering from an overactive imagination.

    There was no so-called massive buildup of arms by SU.
    Nazi German juggernaut reached deep into SU - Volga river, Stalingrad.
    Red Army was in no position in 1941 to mount in invasion of Nazi Germany, even if they wanted to. Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier.

    Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated and vanquished by the Red Army, after years of tough fighting and great sacrifices.
    Bolshevism* did not enslave Europe.
    Communism did not, quote, 'enslave' East Europe.
    East Europeans, who fell under Communist rule, had a hard life no doubt, but they are having the last laugh now. Despite the hardships of Communist rule, they are still Polish, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians,....
    They are still Christians.

    Western Europe, 'liberated' by US, is being slowly but methodically de-Christianized, de-nationalized, and Islamized.
    Guess by who (...it sure isn't Russia).

    Despite the hysteria of supposed world domination, Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight and inherent contradictions within.
    People of Russia are slowly but inexorably reverting to their Russian nationalist and Orthodox Christian roots.

    While 'enlightened', 'liberated' Western Europe is slowly sinking into a witches brew concocted by the 'Free World'.

    --------
    * Stalin wiped out pretty much all Jewish Bolsheviks.

    You seem unaware that the SU defeated Finland in the Winter War and extracted substantial territorial and economic gains (despite heavy losses, to be sure). Can you please remind us why you expect anyone to take you seriously?

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    I wrote: " Red Army got badly beaten by tiny Finland a couple of years earlier."
    I didn't write Finland won the war.

    At the outset of the invasion SU possessed more than three times as many soldiers as the Finns, thirty times as many aircraft, and a hundred times as many tanks. The force disparity was overwhelming.

    Yet Finns held the Red Army off for more than 3 months.
    By comparison, France had the same number of troops/divisions as Germany in 1939.
    Better and more tanks.
    Far more artillery guns.
    Yet France folded in less than 3 months.

    Red Army losses were enormous:
    5X-6X times more dead and missing than Finns.
    4X times the WIA than Finns.
    100X times the tanks destroyed than Finns.
    5X-8X times the aircraft lost than Finns.

    It was a bloodbath.

    Eventually the enormous numbers of Red Army overwhelmed the Finnish defenders, but the performance of the Red Army was disastrous.
    Hardly a military that could take on the Wehrmacht in Germany.
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  171. Seraphim says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    You only have to read the Old Testament to see that even God was a war criminal, particularly if seen from the point of view of Baal or the Philistines. And the Romans, although known for propagating aspects of civilization like public baths, clean water, sewerage, and the rule of law, were not averse to X-rated entertainment like watching enemies of the state eaten by lions.

    A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator, and that lesser breeds needed to knuckle down and accept their place in the world or they would get their just desserts.

    Since God's retirement there has been a lot less of the Spanish Inquisition and that kind of thing, though admittedly there is a kind of residual effect in the consideration of human history that prevents us from being too hard on our forefathers. The case for the defense may be summed up as forgive them for they knew not what they did.

    However, to be fair, a lot of the Native Americans were already regularly killing each other before they came under the British Crown and it was time for the business of culling excess human beings to be brought under central control. Native Americans are now running casinos, which is a step up from ripping off scalps.

    Although George W. Bush reintroduced torture which had generally fallen out of favor, his heart was in the right place, and who is to say that a few Christian lives were not saved by selective torturing of infidels?

    The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were certainly not Western Civilization's finest moment, but how many times do the Germans have to say sorry? They know they screwed up, and they have promised not to do it again. Now they are making Volkswagens, not waging war.

    @A lot of crimes of Manifest Destiny were committed under the somewhat mistaken belief that Christianity was officially sanctioned by The Creator

    Not Christianity as such, but Judaism disguised under the cloak of ‘Puritanism’. To wit:

    “The Puritan culture of New England was marked from the outset by a deep association with Jewish themes. No Christian community in history identified more with the Israelites of the Bible than did the first generations of settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, who believed their own lives to be a literal reenactment of the biblical drama of the chosen people―they were the children of Israel and the ordinances of God’s Holy covenant by which they lived were His divine law. Since they viewed themselves as the persecuted victims of the sinful Christian establishment of the Old World (England), the Puritans also had a natural sympathy for the Jews of their own time. The Protestant Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God’s “Beloved People.” The New Israel―The influence of the Hebrew Bible marks every step of the Puritan exodus to their Zion in the wilderness of the New World. The Jewish Bible formed their minds and dominated their characters; its conceptions were their conceptions….
    Unlike their cousins back home, these American Puritans strongly identified with both the historical traditions and customs of the ancient Hebrews of the Old Testament. They viewed their emigration from England as a virtual re-enactment of the Jewish exodus from Egypt: England was Egypt, the English king was Pharaoh, the Atlantic Ocean their Red Sea, America was the Land of Israel, and the Indians were the ancient Canaanites. They were the new Israelites, entering into a new covenant with God in a new Promised Land…
    Accordingly, the first settlers in New England called themselves “Christian Israel.” Comparison of the Puritan leaders with the great leaders of ancient Israel—especially Moses and Joshua—were common. So the names of Daniel, Jonathan, Esther, Enoch, Ezra, Rachel and a host of others were in constant use among the Puritans. Interestingly enough, there was a conspicuous absence of the names of Christian saints.  Names of cities, towns and settlements likewise derived from Hebraic sources.  This widespread use of biblical names, however, was not confined to the naming of offspring, cities and towns – names of many biblical heights were eventually bestowed upon the great mountains of America. Mount Carmel and Mount Horeb, home of the Prophets, were popular names, as was Mount Nebo, the final resting place of Moses. Names like Mount Ephraim, Mount Gilead, Mount Hermon, Mount Moriah, Mount Pisgah, were all popular as well. Some mountains in the New World were even called  Mt. Sinai, Mount Zion and Mount Olive”.

    See a short resume of the problem @http://jdstone.org/cr/files/puritansweremorejewishthanprotesta
    This is the root of ‘Christian Zionism’ which infests America and determin its foreign policy.

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  172. Mexico claimed Texas, but the Commanche owned it. Unable to break the Commanche, Mexico hired Anglo frontiersmen to steal it for them. After a long and bitter war with the Commanche, these Anglos did indeed steal Texas from the Commanche. And then they decided to keep it for themselves.

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  173. Mises said that the war was won when the British navy, joined by the American navy, defeated the U-boat menace in the north Atlantic (completed 1943). Without this victory, the allies, especially the Russians would not have been supported logistically, via both the Murmansk run and through Iran.

    How would Russia have the supplies, war materials, tanks, planes, etc. if they could not be provided by the allies, principally the Americans? Even Stalingrad might not have been a Soviet victory without this support, for even if they did not there use allied support directly, they were able to forward supply from areas that did.

    There are more American Indians alive today than ever; and countless millions are represented in the DNA of others via inter-marriage. See: Stefan Molyneux on this point.

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    peterAUS,

    Can you check in the Internet "the nostalgia of East Europeans for communism?

    This may answer your question about "who is better?"
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  174. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Nonsense, you have no proof.

    Of what?

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  175. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @jacques sheete
    I was using the word, "bombs," largely as a figure of speech.
    Anyway, "bombs" can also refer to nearly any HE ordnance such as artillery shells and mortar rounds, and plenty of that was "dropped" on S Vietnam too. Not to mention the carpet bombing of rice paddies from the air in that part of the country. I wouldn't be surprised if Google maps doesn't show evidence of the bomb craters to this day.

    Anyway, If you want to beat a tired horse, be my guest.

    (I didn't mean that literally, either, Pardner!)

    I say again:
    Had the US, China, and the USSR not been involved in the war, there would indeed probably have been less carnage. Is this what you meant?

    I doubt the Communists would have been much less vindictive though, assuming they still won. It’s not in the nature of Reds to live-and-let-live.

    Not that Americans are so great either, but when you’re riding a dead horse, perhaps having a few people beating it helps. The previous sentence will make considerably more sense after a stiff brandy or two.

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  176. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?
     
    Free will, brother....free will.....

    Semantics !?

    Power vacuum then.

    Speaking of "Czechs or Slovaks" you remember '68?

    So, should you have an opportunity to choose, which master you'd prefer: Russian or American?

    Yes, yes, I know that it would be right,proper, the best, whatever, to be without any master, but,Czechs or Slovaks, of all the people, should know how the real world really works.


    I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.
     
    You mean which master the'd prefer?
    Probably.
    I have zero doubts about some, too.

    you remember ’68?

    No, ancient history. But I do remember bombing of Kosovo for ‘human rights’.

    It is a shallow nonsense to state that in a ‘real world’ one must choose a master. Allies, yes, friends, yes, but where do you get the idea that one must have a master civilization to defer to?

    ‘Power vacuum’? What does that actually mean? How would it work in practise in today’s Europe? All countries in Europe have more than enough ‘governments’, institutions and a stable civilization. There is literally a zero chance of a ‘vacuum’, power or otherwise. Those societies are fairly well governed. The main threat they are facing are unmanageable migrants from the Third World. And possibly some mutual hostilities traced back to their contentious history. But neither US, nor Russia, nor China, have much to do directly with any of it. Chasing towel-headed fanatics in Afghanistan or marching around the Baltic marshes are equally pointless when it comes to real threats those countries are facing. We all know it and the false choice that you are trying to push on us is absurd in its face. It is in your head, the dichotomy of latter-day Cold War grandpas, it means nothing today.

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    you remember ’68?

    No, ancient history.
     
    O.K.

    But this isn't ancient history:

    would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?
     
    Makes sense.
    Whatever works to swipe Soviet/Russian imperialism, genocide, war crimes and atrocities under the rug.
    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us. We are the good guys.......we are....we are.....we are................................
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  177. Seraphim says:
    @Wally
    And even the reduced 75,000 is an easily debunked fraud.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Talking about Babi Yar, the figure is…33,771 (you’ll love the precision of it!), put on the account of the Commander of the camp, Paul Blobel, by a vapid http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/270.html. And of course, by ‘retrieved memories’ of ‘survivors’.
    As in many other cases the figures hardly match the number of killings attributable to Blobel by the Nurnberg Tribunal: “during testimony he was alleged to have killed 10,000–15,000″ (Wikipedia) in all his career.

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    Even in this link, the context of the mass shootings (which definitely happened, actual numbers aside) is made clear: reprisal shootings for specific partisan actions (i.e. not part of some centralized extermination plan, although excesses doubtless occurred).
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    BTW, Blobel was not a camp commandant, he was an Einzatzgruppen commander.
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  178. nickels says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    A very good discussion of Irving's frankly suspicious hedging on the question of the AR camps can be found here:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/4061/?page=1

    Interesting, thanks.
    What a crazy thread.

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  179. peterAUS says:
    @uslabor
    And yet the list is a small minority of all the countries in the world. Not one in the entire continent of South America except for the elites of Columbia.

    Hahaha……

    Maybe, just maybe, because they are far away from The Bear?
    Or The Dragon?

    Maybe close proximity of those from the list to those two Big Guys has something to do with their attitude?
    You know…closer they are…..?!?

    Just an idea.

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  180. @Seraphim
    Talking about Babi Yar, the figure is...33,771 (you'll love the precision of it!), put on the account of the Commander of the camp, Paul Blobel, by a vapid http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/270.html. And of course, by 'retrieved memories' of 'survivors'.
    As in many other cases the figures hardly match the number of killings attributable to Blobel by the Nurnberg Tribunal: "during testimony he was alleged to have killed 10,000–15,000" (Wikipedia) in all his career.

    Even in this link, the context of the mass shootings (which definitely happened, actual numbers aside) is made clear: reprisal shootings for specific partisan actions (i.e. not part of some centralized extermination plan, although excesses doubtless occurred).

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    You won't be surprised if the figure of 20,000 Jews killed by the Romanian Army in Odessa in October 1941 (as reprisals for partisan terrorism) have been contradicted by Molotov himself who denounced the killing of 8,000 people in Odessa 'mostly Jews'! Even more surprising would be the fact that this information is relayed by documents kept at... Yod Vashem (ahem!).
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  181. @Seraphim
    Talking about Babi Yar, the figure is...33,771 (you'll love the precision of it!), put on the account of the Commander of the camp, Paul Blobel, by a vapid http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/270.html. And of course, by 'retrieved memories' of 'survivors'.
    As in many other cases the figures hardly match the number of killings attributable to Blobel by the Nurnberg Tribunal: "during testimony he was alleged to have killed 10,000–15,000" (Wikipedia) in all his career.

    BTW, Blobel was not a camp commandant, he was an Einzatzgruppen commander.

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  182. Parfois says:
    @Johnny Rico
    Absolutely correct.

    But you will never convince these Russians of the importance of this. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    The British were also fighting the Nazis BEFORE June 1941 for more than a year when the Russians were ALLIED with the Nazis!!! Hahahaaaa

    These Russians. Hilarious. Complete delusion.

    “…Russians were allied with the Nazis”

    If you keep your mouth shut you may hide your ignorance and stupidity… and appear normal. Go to your Wiki-bible and find out the difference between an alliance treaty and a non-aggression treaty. Meanwhile learn a basic lesson: the USSR was never allied with Nazi Germany.

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    We've already covered this. This thread has been here for a day. Thanks for your useful input.
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  183. Thirdeye says:
    @Boris Kazlov
    Which of this wrong and why ? maybe the polygenocide term is wrong, but that is a semantic issue, not factual, the other one is the conspiracy theory, perhaps the most ridiculous conspiracy theory is the one proposed by the US govenrment: that towers build to sustain more than one airplane impact can crumble in freefall and that building 7 can crumble on its footprint at freefall speed WIHOUT being hit by a plane, read the website I posted ae911truth.org and start educating yourself before posting rubbish.

    If you think about it for even a minute, Building 7 undoes the conspiracy theory rather than supporting it. The contention is that the airplane impacts were a cover for a demolition. So why would the conspirators do demolition on a building not impacted by an airplane and deliberately blow their cover if that were the case? They had some extra demo charges and couldn’t help themselves from taking down Building 7 just for giggles?

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    If you think about it for even a minute, your comment simply reveals your own desperation in trying to uphold and build support for the official narrative, the one that requires the laws of physics to be suspended in order to have occurred as a result.

    The fact remains that three massive skyscrapers collapsed into their own footprint at almost freefall speed while hundreds of first responders and a myriad of witnesses reported multiple explosions and there is seismic evidence to back those claims up. See ae9iitruth.org for a detailed explanation.
    , @Joe Wong
    You meant the perpetrators even planted evidence for credible denial when they blew up the twin towers in 9/11? The perpetrators must be very disappointed that no one is fallible to pick up their cue, so they need you to draw out their smartness for the dumb world to see?
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  184. Parbes says:
    @The Alarmist
    Well reasoned, well thought-out, thought-provoking piece. Shame it will be dismissed by many as merely pro-Russian propaganda.

    Just a couple comments:

    "If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so."
     
    I think in this particular context you are mixing right up with obligation. Many Americans see it as the US having both the right and the obligation to intervene. The two together compose the license.

    "I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America."
     
    I have, but only when the objects of scorn were behaving like Amerotrash. In the 30+ years living abroad, I have never personally experienced it, but I try to be on my best behaviour, and sometimes actually succeed.

    "Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”."
     
    The comparison to military housing when I served nearly 40 years ago is telling. We should have had it so nice. It's expensive to keep enough people interested with today's ops tempo if they have to deal with a screaming family back home, especially now that cheap global telecom has replaced monthly AUTOVON morale calls home.

    "The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire."
     
    Can't agree with that, because if America as we know it today collapses, they're taking the whole world down with them. I would be happy if they simply accepted that this is a multi-polar world with nations that have simetimes competing goals, but full of people who pretty much want the same things in life: Health, happiness, love, entertainment, good food, etc. These things are pretty common across the globe, even in North Korea.

    “…if America as we know it today collapses, they’re taking the whole world down with them.”

    Nonsense! The USSR collapsed with noone else except themselves (and a few of their closest allies) suffering – and with their devoted, unreconciled enemies actually benefiting HUGELY from the collapse. The same should happen with the U.S. empire (except that, in the case of the U.S. empire, you can replace the phrase “their devoted enemies” with “those who have been wronged by the U.S. empire and suffered from its multitude of crimes throughout the decades”).

    Or is this a threat?

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    The USSR at the end was being run by realistic and rational beings who were looking for a better life after the Soviet Union. I've seen their old Dachas etc, and compared to the gang in DC they had little to lose from a peaceful reboot. The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall.
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  185. Thirdeye says:
    @KA
    “If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.” .
     McCullough, David (15 June 1992). Truman. New York, New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 262.
    Truman made this remark after hearing that Hitler had invaded Soviet Russia.

    That was pretty much the Anglo-French war plan – wait for Germany and the Soviet Union to go to war and bleed each other dry, then sweep over Europe. It was undone by the little oopsie of having France knocked out of the war first.

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  186. Thirdeye says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Thought the 'SAKER' was in control of his faculties but after reading this rant, implying that there is no difference between WW II Nazis and Americans, think the Saker has been too long out in the Sun.

    That's the same toxic BS the violent Judaic-led Antifa Thugs are pushing, that white Americans males are actually secret Nazis and must be exterminated.

    Yet the Saker nor Antifa mention the fact that the Bolshevik Jews, from 1917-1957 murdered around 66 million Russians, mostly Christians who refused to bow down to Godless Communism. Add in the other Commie slaughters and the figure is easily over 100 million.


    This toxic ideology is what the SAKER wants us to follow after his/her Antifa buds tear apart the USA?

    Your numbers are fabrications.

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    Is it alright that the soviets "merely" murdered FEWER millions of innocent peaceful people, including millions of Christian Russians and other Christian Slavs? What is your point?
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  187. grr says:
    @dearieme
    'the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?'

    Christ, you might at least be accurate. In three hundred years of exploring, colonising, trading, and conquering there must be some genuine atrocities you could discuss. Why discuss fake ones?

    Apartheid was nothing to do with Britain, it was introduced in independent South Africa by an Afrikaner party that won power after WWII.

    The Opium Wars don't seem to me to be an atrocity: opium was legal in Britain and throughout the Empire. I agree that the wars might be classed as wicked - aggressive war usually is - but they were no atrocity.

    Britain didn't invent Concentration Camps - in the sense of the expression used by the Nazis, the Nazis invented Concentration Camps. In the sense of the expression used by Britain in the South African war, the camps were simply a copy of the earlier concentration camps used by the US in the Philippines and by Spain in Cuba.

    etc, etc.

    dearieme, British Lord Kitchener is the architect of concentration camps, during the Boer War. Get yer facts correct or you appear a twat.

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  188. Parfois says:
    @Wally
    Spoken like another amateur Stalinist / communist / Zionist apologist.
    You talk because you have a mouth. You are laughable

    The Allies did succeed in turning over 1/2 of Europe to the communists, see map.
    Some 'victory' that was.

    The USSR underwent a massive arms build up in it's plan to invade Germany.

    Debate here and get smacked own:
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999


    "Revisionism has the general function of bringing historical truth to a public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché."
    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966
    http://mises.org/daily/2592
     

    Poor Wally, always busy to find a hiding place, he was left behind at kindergarten level. He (mis)reads everything coming his way and gets confused with grotesque images of history. For Wally and those of the same ilk left stranded in kindy, Hitler was the Messiah coming to liberate the white race by conquering all white (by then) Europe up to the Urals, except that those undeserving untermenschen Soviets did not want to be “liberated” off their land! And for that unpardonable sin against capitalism on steroids (a.k.a. fascism/nazism) now the Wallies of this world blame the Soviets for starting WWII!!!

    Keep on the good work and uncover the hidden secrets proving the Soviets also started WWI, maybe they also secretly ran the Nazi concentration camps and, the worst of crimes, they also had the time to insidiously incite the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. By doing all those nasty things, the Soviets also created the conditions for the rise of Islamic terrorism leading to the worst external attack on the exceptional nation ruled by the Chosen tribe, themselves a branch of the traitorous Soviet Bolsheviks who escaped the McCarthy witch hunt.

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  189. @Thirdeye
    If you think about it for even a minute, Building 7 undoes the conspiracy theory rather than supporting it. The contention is that the airplane impacts were a cover for a demolition. So why would the conspirators do demolition on a building not impacted by an airplane and deliberately blow their cover if that were the case? They had some extra demo charges and couldn't help themselves from taking down Building 7 just for giggles?

    If you think about it for even a minute, your comment simply reveals your own desperation in trying to uphold and build support for the official narrative, the one that requires the laws of physics to be suspended in order to have occurred as a result.

    The fact remains that three massive skyscrapers collapsed into their own footprint at almost freefall speed while hundreds of first responders and a myriad of witnesses reported multiple explosions and there is seismic evidence to back those claims up. See ae9iitruth.org for a detailed explanation.

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    Don't forget the overlooked Building 6, which was literally hollowed out and obviously not the result of any plane crash. There were probably multiple operations going on during 9-11.
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  190. Tom Welsh says:
    @The Scalpel
    "It is true that the Western Allies did not invade France until June 1944, but that was a tactical decision whose timing was dictated by military necessities."

    Yes that tactical decision being to wait until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi's down sufficiently

    In a sense, you are quite right. The Normandy invasion could by no means go ahead “until the Soviets had beaten the Nazi’s down sufficiently”.

    But not necessarily for geopolitical reasons. The success of the invasion – don’t forget, by far the biggest sea-borne invasion ever – hung in the balance even as things were. Had the Germans disposed of even a dozen or so of the scores of divisions tied down in the East (and destroyed in the course of Operation Bagration, for instance) the invasion might have been repelled with appalling losses. The consequencew would have been a further year (or more) of delay in opening a Western front.

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  191. Tom Welsh says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Of course, it is true that the USA never chose to enter the war at all, but was forced to when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and then Hitler personally declared war on the USA four days later – incidentally, showing a degree of loyalty to his allies that puts the USA to shame.
     
    The facts stated in support are true - Pearl Harbor happened, and Hitler declared war on the U.S.

    Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was "forced" to enter the war. The U.S. did "choose" to enter the Pacific and European war because FDR and the Communist agents around him (and some Brits) wanted the U.S. to enter the war.

    There is considerable evidence that FDR - always partial to a "get-rich-quick" scheme as noted by his biographer Conrad Black - had advance notice of Pearl Harbor plans and intentionally allowed the operation to proceed (while making sure to U.S. aircraft carriers would be affected). FDR needed a war to stay in office.

    Similarly, Germany does appear to have "declared war" on the U.S. in December 1941. But this "declaration" did not "force" the U.S. to enter the European theater. The U.S. could simply have chosen to stay on the sidelines as it had before December 1941. Again, whatever the military rights and wrongs, the salient fact is that FDR needed a war to stay in office.

    ‘Neither of these facts means that the U.S. was “forced” to enter the war’.

    I don’t think that can be quite what you meant to say. When your main battle fleet is attacked and many ships sunk with the loss of thousands of lives, you do not have the option of remaining at peace.

    Nor when a head of state personally declares war on your nation, as Hitler did. From that day on, all US forces and civilian property were liable to attack by the Axis, and any US government that did not defend itself or fight back would have been quickly strung up (by their necks if they were lucky).

    You seem to be saying that the US government secretly plotted to get the USA into the war. So what? If that is what happened, it was only FDR and a handful of his associates who were in the secret. The very fact that he plotted in secret – if he did – is the most powerful proof that the US people and the US government did NOT want to go to war.

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    When your main battle fleet is attacked and many ships sunk with the loss of thousands of lives, you do not have the option of remaining at peace.
     
    Could you provide more details of the "main battle fleet" being under attack by Germany? I sincerely don't know about the naval situation on the Atlantic in December 1941. Also, to what extent were existing tensions due to the fact that the U.S. insisted on providing covert military support to Great Britain (as it had done in WW I)?

    You seem to be saying that the US government secretly plotted to get the USA into the war. So what? If that is what happened, it was only FDR and a handful of his associates who were in the secret. The very fact that he plotted in secret – if he did – is the most powerful proof that the US people and the US government did NOT want to go to war.
     
    Precisely. It certainly appears to be true that the U.S. population was not keen to go to war. Charles Lindbergh and many others saw the writing on the wall and loudly argued against a pointless (for the U.S.) war.

    None of this is to say that National Socialist Germany and its people did not deserve to be defeated. But what really moved FDR may have been the chance to crank up the ailing economy while conjuring up a smokescreen that not coincidentally would help him stay in office.

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  192. @Rick Johnson
    Mises said that the war was won when the British navy, joined by the American navy, defeated the U-boat menace in the north Atlantic (completed 1943). Without this victory, the allies, especially the Russians would not have been supported logistically, via both the Murmansk run and through Iran.

    How would Russia have the supplies, war materials, tanks, planes, etc. if they could not be provided by the allies, principally the Americans? Even Stalingrad might not have been a Soviet victory without this support, for even if they did not there use allied support directly, they were able to forward supply from areas that did.

    There are more American Indians alive today than ever; and countless millions are represented in the DNA of others via inter-marriage. See: Stefan Molyneux on this point.

    peterAUS,

    Can you check in the Internet “the nostalgia of East Europeans for communism?

    This may answer your question about “who is better?”

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  193. @Parbes
    "...if America as we know it today collapses, they’re taking the whole world down with them."

    Nonsense! The USSR collapsed with noone else except themselves (and a few of their closest allies) suffering - and with their devoted, unreconciled enemies actually benefiting HUGELY from the collapse. The same should happen with the U.S. empire (except that, in the case of the U.S. empire, you can replace the phrase "their devoted enemies" with "those who have been wronged by the U.S. empire and suffered from its multitude of crimes throughout the decades").

    Or is this a threat?

    The USSR at the end was being run by realistic and rational beings who were looking for a better life after the Soviet Union. I’ve seen their old Dachas etc, and compared to the gang in DC they had little to lose from a peaceful reboot. The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall.

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    "The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall."

    That's why the "gang" need to be made to understand that this can be done the nice way; or it can be done the hard way.

    That "making understand", however, cannot be accomplished by cowering in fear, acquiescing indefinitely to their power and demands, acting like obedient sheep, and not lifting a finger.
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  194. Seraphim says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Even in this link, the context of the mass shootings (which definitely happened, actual numbers aside) is made clear: reprisal shootings for specific partisan actions (i.e. not part of some centralized extermination plan, although excesses doubtless occurred).

    You won’t be surprised if the figure of 20,000 Jews killed by the Romanian Army in Odessa in October 1941 (as reprisals for partisan terrorism) have been contradicted by Molotov himself who denounced the killing of 8,000 people in Odessa ‘mostly Jews’! Even more surprising would be the fact that this information is relayed by documents kept at… Yod Vashem (ahem!).

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  195. @NoseytheDuke
    If you think about it for even a minute, your comment simply reveals your own desperation in trying to uphold and build support for the official narrative, the one that requires the laws of physics to be suspended in order to have occurred as a result.

    The fact remains that three massive skyscrapers collapsed into their own footprint at almost freefall speed while hundreds of first responders and a myriad of witnesses reported multiple explosions and there is seismic evidence to back those claims up. See ae9iitruth.org for a detailed explanation.

    Don’t forget the overlooked Building 6, which was literally hollowed out and obviously not the result of any plane crash. There were probably multiple operations going on during 9-11.

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  196. Parbes says:
    @The Alarmist
    The USSR at the end was being run by realistic and rational beings who were looking for a better life after the Soviet Union. I've seen their old Dachas etc, and compared to the gang in DC they had little to lose from a peaceful reboot. The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall.

    “The gang in DC are sitting at the pinnacle of wealth and world power and have everything to lose. They will make us all pay if they fall.”

    That’s why the “gang” need to be made to understand that this can be done the nice way; or it can be done the hard way.

    That “making understand”, however, cannot be accomplished by cowering in fear, acquiescing indefinitely to their power and demands, acting like obedient sheep, and not lifting a finger.

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  197. Silva says:
    @uslabor
    You know, Silva, you're right. Can't we just build a wall between us and Russia to keep people like The Saker where he belongs? Huh, can't we?

    Why do you like immigrants who refuse to identify with the country they go to (i.e. rootless cosmopolitans)? I thought that was most of the problem.

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  198. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The American government made 800 treaties with the Indians and broke every single one while at the same time committing genocide.

    America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776

    http://davidswanson.org/warlist/?link_id=3&can_id=ed31bf4cbc8f991980718b21b49ca26d&source=email-how-outlawing-war-changed-the-world-in-1928-2&email_referrer=email_232560&email_subject=how-outlawing-war-changed-the-world-in-1928

    It’s a brutal empire, like all empires, perhaps worse. It exists for the enrichment of the 1%, like all regimes. If you continue to believe propaganda, you are part of the problem.

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    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    USSR survived and even triumphed from the hellfire of WWII... but declined and collapsed under its own official ideology.
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  199. @nickels
    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler's big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill's jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain's goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

    With the marked exception of number one (poor Hitler didn’t know what they were doing to Jews et al. in concentration camps) and the Antichrist comment, I tend to agree.

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  200. More hilarious ignorance by Saker:

    I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America.

    If you haven’t seen any, you need to get out more. I saw a lot of it even back in the 60s. Family and friends saw it get worse through the 70s and 80s.

    The Nazi regime in the Ukraine….

    You just can’t get past this pathetic lie. And, lie it is.

    This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia, with war and possibly nuclear war and that, in turn, means that this Empire threatens the survival of the human species.

    This is truly funny in its bland ignorance. The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal. Yet, you can’t get past this lie either. I don’t like the fact the Neocons don’t pick battles well, but not all they have involved the US in have been failures, despite your nonsense. To take just the one operation you call a complete failure, Grenada, was anything but. It’s objectives were reached, and the fighting stopped. Same in Panama.

    To borrow a few lines from H. L. Mencken, with no apologies,

    If you don’t read Saker, you are uninformed.
    If you do read Saker, you are misinformed.

    Saker talks about brainwashing, but cant get past his self brain laundering.

    Latin America is the way it is because it bought into socialism. Argentina was a 1st world country in the early 20th century. Then, Peron came on the scene and the old phrase “rich as an Argentine” lost its meaning as Peron drubbed the country economically. No form of fascism is healthy economically. Even the current version of China is a house of cards.

    By the by, if Russia is so great, why doesn’t he live there? The reason is quite simply, and goes back to a statement made of Stalin’s Soviet Union – the place is a 3rd world country with nukes.

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    The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal.
     
    That is a material misstatement of fact. Both Russia and Ukraine disarmed a significant number of nukes. In fact, more than a couple neocons played up the possibility of nuking up Ukraine in response to Crimea, pointing out that it had agreed to diarm all of its nukes in exchange for a Russian guarantee of Ukranian borders at that time.

    Greneda: A stunning success indeed, but one of the duller stars on my Expeditionary Medal ribbon. Not really a fair fight, but the surfing was OK.

    A lot of Latin America owes its present state to a succession of socialist governments toppled by US juntas. One can only wonder how they'd be if they hadn't endured that vicious cycle.
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  201. @Thirdeye
    Overall valid thesis undone by the inclusion of a bunch of extraneous and erroneous rubbish, from the supposed "polygenocide" to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I think The Saker's heart is in the right place, but my God he can be flaky.

    I share your sentiment, thirdeye. For example, take the talk about white European settlers allegedly polygenociding the very few people who lived in largely primitive conditions – murdering and raping and looting and scalping each other – without effectively developing or even permanently occupying and cultivating these vast lands, which is itself exaggerated double-standard nonsense.

    Saker apparently is fine with non-white people, such as “Native American” Indians, taking land or resources or women by force, but not white people.

    And where is the Saker’s call for Russians to give back or at least make reparations for the lands and resources they took by violence and intimidation from the many racially or ethnically different peoples, including the Chinese, who used to have much of those lands?

    The Saker undermines his credibility greatly with the distracting PC crap about the evil whites and the poor noble peaceful Indians. Ask the Hopis, for example, how peaceful and fair minded the Navajo were, and ask yourself why the Hopi reservation is tiny and surrounded by a vast Navajo Rez. (Yes, those sainted Navajo, a few of whose members are so lionized for being codetalkers in the us gov effort to kill millions of Germans and help the soviets enslave much of Europe instead.)

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  202. @Canadian Cents
    In 1941, during WWII, Harry Truman wanted a brutal and prolonged conflict in order to inflict as much death and destruction in Europe as possible, declaring:

    "If we see Germany winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible."

    The US (as expressed by one of its key leaders) wanted the brutal war to continue for as long as possible, so that as many Russians and Germans as possible would be killed, (with other Europeans, including Jews, as inevitable collateral casualties in that process,) so that the US could then step in at the end to dominate war-destroyed Europe.

    And that was exactly what happened: Some 27 million Soviet people were killed, about 16% of their population, while the Americans and British delayed starting a western front until after the outcome was largely decided, then raced to seize control of as much of Europe and of the credit as possible at the end:

    "It was not until well after the Nazis' fortunes had been decisively reversed at Stalingrad that the long-promised ‘second front' [by the US and Britain] actually materialized. Indeed, by this point the outcome of the war had effectively already been determined. D-Day, then, was waged not to defeat the Nazis but to ensure the Soviet Union, who had borne almost all of the sacrifice, would not reap the fruits of their victory."

    British Troops Enter Syria and Libya to Ensure That War Outlives ISIS
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/15/british-troops-enter-syria-and-libya-to-ensure-that-war-outlives-isis/

    It seems like the US is following this same pattern again in Syria: prolong the brutal war and suffering for as long as possible, and now race at the end to be able to falsely claim credit (for the defeat of ISIS) and seize control (via a Kurdistan proxy).

    Excellent points, except that decent people must rejoice that the soviets were prevented from enjoying even more “fruits” of their sacrifice. Enough people suffered under that vile regime already, in Russia, in the other SSRs, and elsewhere.

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    The reason I am writing you this memento is because you are demento. You don’t know nothing about communism, so shut your trap. All the experts like you have ever heard about communism is some stale propaganda and they think they know everything.

    Repeat after me: gulag, KGB, Stalin, oppression. After you repeat this phrase 10 times – you are an expert on communism. That about sums it up how you and the others like you have acquired their “knowledge” on communism.
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  203. @CensoredByTheSaker
    "the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, "

    -This is not really true, they waited until 1947, after starving and tortured the German civilian population for 2 years under the Morgenthau Plan, which actually was quite a nice treatment, compared to the initial Morgenthau Plan that wanted to exterminate 20 million German civilians.(Morgenthau was a jew btw, another genocidal one, go figure)

    The reason the allies stopped starving the German civilians was not due to their high moral standards however, they were just worried the German civilians would rather live under soviet where they were allowed to eaten then live under USA and starve to death.

    I have two Jewish acquaintances, one born and raised in the USA and a self-proclaimed “American patriot” and “conservative republican” and the other born and raised mostly in Russia, who can’t even hide their vicious hatred of Russians and Germans.

    One of the two remarked “good” when I pointed out the impoverishing effect that the much harsher sanctions he favors – effectively, an economic blockade and embargo of Russia — could have on the Russian people. The same fellow thinks it funny to contemplate Russia being taken over gradually by Muslims.

    They may hate the Russians even more than they hate the Germans, it seems.

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  204. @Black Bird
    Whilst I have followed you constantly over the years and respect your views immensely and have studied your works for several years, my one and only response (as a follow-up) to your 'letter' is this:

    What is your solution? What system or which empire shall we replace the American one with? Someone with your intelligence should know that things don't exist in a vaccum.

    If the American empire is collapsed as you wish it would be, then what? What magical solution do you have? Because rest assured there will be someone else taking the reins but I guess you feel that the next power will do it the 'right way'.

    Laughable...

    You do a great job pointing out the faults of the American Empire but I feel you fall into the same 'hole' that so many do while riding their high horse, and that is: complain, complain, point out faults, compare the USA to Nazi Germany, and to the more evil Soviet Union (which by the way - according to many sources was extraordinarly worse; by a order of magnitude worse then the Nazis).

    Anyway, to get to my point about your rant...

    Your main point is what?

    You’re right. It will NOT be better living under the boot of the heartless, brutal, “pragmatic” Chinese, where individual people are nothing but ants, if the USA collapses and becomes unable to deter or meaningfully project force outside its borders.

    Nor will it be better living under sharia.

    Neither the Chinese nor the worshippers of the pedophile prophet will hesitate to kill, conquer, and occupy wherever they can if no other major power stands in their way.

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  205. @iffen
    This is an ugly and evil country. I am stuck here cause I'm a Murican. If I was of another nationality or citizenship, I would leave this evil and ugly place just for the salving of my soul.

    It has, indeed, become an evil government and an arrogant, ugly, stupid, perverse, homosexual-worshipping, savage-glorifying, increasingly slothful and unhealthy culture here in the USA.

    But if you travel around the world, you’ll see evil and cruelty again and again, perpetrated by those same noble nonwhite nonwestern people who are supposedly always victims and nothing like us horrible Americans. Please. Most of these peoples inflict what they can on other races, tribes, or religions with whatever more-limited technology and organization they can muster.

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  206. @iffen
    This is an ugly and evil country. I am stuck here cause I'm a Murican. If I was of another nationality or citizenship, I would leave this evil and ugly place just for the salving of my soul.

    False. If you really want to leave, you can certainly arrange for permanent residency and eventually citizenship in another country if you work at it. Canada, for one.

    Certainly it is not hard to retire to another country and be welcomed, with income or asset requirements that are often not onerous. Some in Latin America.

    Is it really prohibitively difficult to learn, say, Spanish over the course of several years preparing to leave the us for a Latin American country?

    You and I are still here – for now – because we want to be here more than we want to leave, despite the growing defects and injustices in our culture, economy, and national character.

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    You and I are still here – for now – because we want to be here more than we want to leave

    I would not entertain the idea of leaving.

    That comment was for the benefit of The Saker and others like him.

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  207. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    When we look back on Saddam’s trial which was recent, it helps to imagine how far from fair those trials from the past were ! and btw, did his trial cover the wmd’s he didn’t use ?

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  208. @The Alarmist
    Well reasoned, well thought-out, thought-provoking piece. Shame it will be dismissed by many as merely pro-Russian propaganda.

    Just a couple comments:

    "If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so."
     
    I think in this particular context you are mixing right up with obligation. Many Americans see it as the US having both the right and the obligation to intervene. The two together compose the license.

    "I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America."
     
    I have, but only when the objects of scorn were behaving like Amerotrash. In the 30+ years living abroad, I have never personally experienced it, but I try to be on my best behaviour, and sometimes actually succeed.

    "Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”."
     
    The comparison to military housing when I served nearly 40 years ago is telling. We should have had it so nice. It's expensive to keep enough people interested with today's ops tempo if they have to deal with a screaming family back home, especially now that cheap global telecom has replaced monthly AUTOVON morale calls home.

    "The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire."
     
    Can't agree with that, because if America as we know it today collapses, they're taking the whole world down with them. I would be happy if they simply accepted that this is a multi-polar world with nations that have simetimes competing goals, but full of people who pretty much want the same things in life: Health, happiness, love, entertainment, good food, etc. These things are pretty common across the globe, even in North Korea.

    Beautifully reasoned and written comment, with a balance between appropriate respect for other peoples and cultures, and not hating oneself or favoring others over one’s own family and nation as lefties today want us to do.

    But it’s dangerously naive to think that almost everyone in the world just wants to be happy, have food and shelter and clothing and family and safety etc. Hundreds of millions of Muslims want to subjugate, intimidate, kill, and do whatever it takes to enforce their vision of life and morality.

    I favor the US getting our troops the hell out of those countries, as well as ending sanctions and droning and other hostilities against Muslim peoples when they are not attacking or preparing to attack us here in our lands. But let’s have no illusions about “everyone just wanting the same things in life.” Evil bullies who will never leave the rest of us in peace run the US government, and such evil bullies are also widespread and inherent in the intolerant political supremacist cult known as islam (proud imitators of the original evil bully, pedophile mentally ill muhammad.

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    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general. In particular, they ought not be allowed to proselytise in the West.
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  209. @Heros
    Saker, from deep within his Russo-Soviet, Intelligence Community, and now apparently Judaic bubble as well, chastises Americans for being in their own Yankee-doodle propaganda bubble. A pox on all of them.

    The Jewish-bolschevics won the cold war. The USA, Germany, the EU and Russia are all basically judeo-communist now. Each with a different flavored frosting of democracy.

    Saker manages to dance around Nuremburg and the "Holocaust". He never mentions lend lease and all the other illegal activities led by the cabal without which Stalin, Moscow and the USSR would not have survived the winter of 1941/2 let alone achieved victory.

    Unfortunately for Saker, you cannot have an honest discussion of the last 100 years of history without bringing up Freemasonry, Judaism and other sinister forces and the effects they had on WWI, Versailles, Poland 1939, the "Holocaust", Nuremburg and most of all Nagasaki, the catholic capitol of Japan.

    Otherwise Saker is merely spewing narrative at one propaganda bubble from within another one.

    I fully agree. How are we supposed to take the Saker seriously when he repeats the following Jewish propaganda a fact:

    Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated.

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  210. @Thirdeye
    Your numbers are fabrications.

    Is it alright that the soviets “merely” murdered FEWER millions of innocent peaceful people, including millions of Christian Russians and other Christian Slavs? What is your point?

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    Facts matter.
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  211. @Ghost
    Erebus: I agree. EMPIRE is collapsing. Too late, I think, to manage anything.

    You may be right, but we both hope you’re wrong, eh?

    Drastic changes, done gradually, might still effect a managed decline and reorganization of the us gov and society, rather than a collapse at home or abroad, tho admittedly the hour is getting late in financial and cultural terms.

    Gradual withdrawal of US troops from Japan, Germany, South Korea, Kuwait, etc., coupled with those countries doing whatever they think they need to do to deter potential aggressors such as China.

    Gradual reduction in US military spending and domestic spending alike. Just two or three percent per year, done mostly by attrition and buyouts rather than firing, to lessen the impact on soldiers and other gov employees and their families and towns.

    Plenty of ways to save or raise a few billions here, a few tens of billions there, without lowering the quality of life or impairing the liberty of American citizens. Make noncitizens ineligible for just about any gov program or benefit other than unemployment or truly urgent emergency medical care. Repeal Fed prohibition of marijuana and levy an excise tax, sending revenue to gov rather than gangs and growers here and in Mexico. End birthright citizenship and chain migration from the third world, which contibute enormously to the growth of our welfare dependent class. Tax remittances sent to people in foreign countries, as trump wisely proposed in his otherwise typical fluff campaign book. Require federal employees to pay a higher proportion,of their medical insurance premiums, increasing their share by just one percent per year over the next twenty years (currently the fed taxpayers cover more than seventy percent of fed employees Med insurance premiums, I think, but some fed employees can correct me if that is no longer the case…. and many more gradual reductions that don’t entail things like abolishing or severely curtailing Medicaid or Medicare.

    No radical overnight changes for us citizens proposed here, but some acknowledgement of the reality of our limited financial and Human Resources and an effort every year to slightly lessen our gov’s commitments. First and foremost, phase out our subsidy of non citizens here, our subsidy of corporations or unions, and our subsidy of governments and militaries abroad. Big changes that will in time save big money, without adversely affecting the great majority of American citizens.

    Admittedly, if trump and a Repub congress won’t even get started on gradual economic and militsry retrenchment, it may not happen in time to save us, or ever. But that’s what we can do to aim for a managed decline and reform, rather than a collapse.

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  212. Rurik says:

    came to this party late, and haven’t read all the comments, but the crux of the article is something that vexes very many of us; and that is the extraordinary power of the PTBⓊ to write ‘the narrative’ on the hearts and souls of the masses. Creating their own “Matrix’-like reality wherein 90%+ of the sheople bray and wallow.

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire.

    yep, and we have two choices- either we end the Fed, or we sit by and hope the rest of the planet can come up with an alternative to the ‘world’s reserve currencyⓊ’.

    as long as they control the money, they control everything

    and as long as they control everything, the rest of us will get more wars and Orwellian dystopias and hatred and strife and misery

    it is written

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  213. iffen says:
    @RadicalCenter
    False. If you really want to leave, you can certainly arrange for permanent residency and eventually citizenship in another country if you work at it. Canada, for one.

    Certainly it is not hard to retire to another country and be welcomed, with income or asset requirements that are often not onerous. Some in Latin America.

    Is it really prohibitively difficult to learn, say, Spanish over the course of several years preparing to leave the us for a Latin American country?

    You and I are still here - for now - because we want to be here more than we want to leave, despite the growing defects and injustices in our culture, economy, and national character.

    You and I are still here – for now – because we want to be here more than we want to leave

    I would not entertain the idea of leaving.

    That comment was for the benefit of The Saker and others like him.

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    Ah, understood.

    I actually don't blame the Saker for living outside Russia, nor for maintaining loyalty to Russia and the Russian people as he does so. But yeah, he is so "in the tank" for anything Russia does that he undermines his credibility.

    With the Saker as with RT, I generally follow the rule of thumb that they are largely accurate when talking about the deception and warmongering of the USA and the west;

    they are somewhat less accurate and objective when speaking of Russian domestic affairs, but still a valuable perspective that we wouldn't otherwise hear;

    and they are themselves ill-informed propagandists when it comes to aspects of American domestic affairs (such as their reflexively taking the side of African-"Americans", whom they would find it impossible to live with safely and peacefully and whom they would crack down on harder than we do if they had to try and run a society infected with tens of millions of them).
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  214. @CensoredByTheSaker
    TheSaker also believes that the black supremacist Malcom X that called white children for blue eyed devils is the greatest american that has ever lived.

    Much like the Russia Today tv station and website babble on about American mistreatment of those poor noble African-”Americans” who are merely minding their own business when cops attack them — while none of the writers, editors, producers live in a majority-black or even plurality-black neighborhood or city.

    Easy for Russians like RT and Saker to spout about how to deal with that population when they are safely far away from them.

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  215. @Jason-------
    Nature abhors a vacuum. If the American Empire collapsed today, it would be absorbed by competing empires with the probably outcome that nothing good would result. You can't just "get rid of it". It has to be replaced with something more robust than the last model which is what mutated into this present form. I think the problem is not solvable because ultimately, it has it's roots in human nature. I think George Carlin is probably right. This is as good as it gets...and it's our own fault as a species.

    Is there a button for “wish I could say you’re wrong but I can’t”?

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  216. @Michael Kenny
    I took this article seriously until I got down to the “Nazi regime in the Ukraine”. At that point, I realised that it was just pro-Putin propaganda. I don’t see how any of this, even if it were true, affects the right of the Ukrainian people to have their own sovereign nation-state. The sovereign nation-state, or the aspiration to it, has been the fundamental building block of the European political order since the French Revolution. The problem with Putin is that he rejects that concept and is seeking to resurrect the pre-1789 concept of “spheres of influence”.

    So the US gov doesn’t recognize and jealously guard its own sphere of influence? How would we react if Russia placed troops “in our backyard” just over the border in Canada or Mexico, as we have done with us and NATO troops in Eastern Europe? Try to tell us that the US gov would say “oh, we don’t want to go back to those pre-1789 spheres of influence.”

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    Completely agree, except that the US govt regards pretty much the entire planet as its "sphere of influence".
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  217. @Fred V. Reed
    Possibly the best piece I have ever read.

    Damn, Fred, you ruined it. I was agreeing with much of the Saker piece too.

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  218. @RadicalCenter
    So the US gov doesn't recognize and jealously guard its own sphere of influence? How would we react if Russia placed troops "in our backyard" just over the border in Canada or Mexico, as we have done with us and NATO troops in Eastern Europe? Try to tell us that the US gov would say "oh, we don't want to go back to those pre-1789 spheres of influence."

    Completely agree, except that the US govt regards pretty much the entire planet as its “sphere of influence”.

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    True.
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  219. Kiza says:
    @peterAUS

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?
     
    Free will, brother....free will.....

    Semantics !?

    Power vacuum then.

    Speaking of "Czechs or Slovaks" you remember '68?

    So, should you have an opportunity to choose, which master you'd prefer: Russian or American?

    Yes, yes, I know that it would be right,proper, the best, whatever, to be without any master, but,Czechs or Slovaks, of all the people, should know how the real world really works.


    I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.
     
    You mean which master the'd prefer?
    Probably.
    I have zero doubts about some, too.

    As someone who used to be a regular commenter here and now come here only when have absolutely nothing better to do, I would like to award you the title of the most brainwashed, dumb and annoying troll on unz.com. Since I reside in the same country as you do, I actually find it hard to imagine that such sh** rolls down the same streets that I walk. Simply, I have never met crap like you in this fine country. You and a couple of other morons are the reason that I am not commenting here any more. You can enjoy the cesspool you created together with your Hasbara friends, Averies and other assorted.

    To put it in another way – you are so full of valuable opinions as a turd is rich in vitamins.

    If she have not said do already, unz comments are a cesspool now, unfortunately.

    PS I thought that Wizzard of Oz was bad till this empty-headed crap showed up.

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    I just read through some of your comments from the last month. I wouldn't be opposed to you slowing down even more. Thanks for doing that.
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  220. @Parfois
    "...Russians were allied with the Nazis"

    If you keep your mouth shut you may hide your ignorance and stupidity... and appear normal. Go to your Wiki-bible and find out the difference between an alliance treaty and a non-aggression treaty. Meanwhile learn a basic lesson: the USSR was never allied with Nazi Germany.

    We’ve already covered this. This thread has been here for a day. Thanks for your useful input.

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  221. Interesting fantasy world The Saker has. I have heard of conspiracy theorists but never met one from the Soviet side. So many contradictions, it’s hard to know where to start.

    Suffice to say, The Saker considers itself an elite – choice of phrase, assumption of moral and intellectual superiority, maintenance of so many mutually exclusive behaviors (selecting first one, then the other, as the situation requires). The smug, the arrogance come through loud and clear. And they’d better, because this refugee from an alternate timeline is pushing the idea that everything we think we know is false, we are surrounded by liars with no obvious motive, who (despite their numbers) have somehow managed to keep this all a secret from everyone under their thumb.

    Everyone but The Saker. Naturally.

    Good luck with that, Saker. You’re something I have never actually seen before. But maybe that’s why you’re here. Go back to shaping that tinfoil hat, buddy.

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  222. Sam Shama says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Beautifully reasoned and written comment, with a balance between appropriate respect for other peoples and cultures, and not hating oneself or favoring others over one's own family and nation as lefties today want us to do.

    But it's dangerously naive to think that almost everyone in the world just wants to be happy, have food and shelter and clothing and family and safety etc. Hundreds of millions of Muslims want to subjugate, intimidate, kill, and do whatever it takes to enforce their vision of life and morality.

    I favor the US getting our troops the hell out of those countries, as well as ending sanctions and droning and other hostilities against Muslim peoples when they are not attacking or preparing to attack us here in our lands. But let's have no illusions about "everyone just wanting the same things in life." Evil bullies who will never leave the rest of us in peace run the US government, and such evil bullies are also widespread and inherent in the intolerant political supremacist cult known as islam (proud imitators of the original evil bully, pedophile mentally ill muhammad.

    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general. In particular, they ought not be allowed to proselytise in the West.

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    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general.
     
    nope Sam

    the greatest danger of Islam (to the West) is that treacherous Jews in the West are using their positions of power to open the gates to a massive and transformational invasion of the West by Islamic hoards. Duh

    If we'd simply stop fighting eternal zio-wars for Israel, and leave the Muslims alone to sell us oil, there'd be no problem with Islam.

    But it's because of the ((invade / invite)) kosher insanity imposed on the West by treacherous, hatred-consumed Jews, (neocons like Sheldon Adelson) that Islam is a problem today.

    wouldn't you agree?
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  223. Zumbuddi says:

    Among many errors of logic in Saker s rant — NS Germany did not target Christian Russia but Jewish-influenced Bolshevic Commies, esp. Since Commies targeted Germany in ATTEMPT to subvert and “internationalize”
    Shaker s cliche re history demands full rebuttal

    And his solution — collapse of Empire — is juvenile, pedestrian

    Rwanda resolved its horror w a process of Truth and Reconciliation.
    The same would be much less costly in lives &treasure — tell the truth about Zionist/ Jewish treachery in the world wars
    Debunk holocaust nonsense
    Shut down or tear down holohoax freak show museums

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  224. Brawndo says:

    I’ve always thought you were full of sh!t, Saker. Now after reading this dreck, I see that I am correct.
    “the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans”

    Wrong. We didn’t steal anything, we TOOK it. As in conquered. You know, like every other group in human history? There is nothing “illegal” about it. What law (and whose law) did conquering Stone Age savages break? Take your Russia-philia and blatant Anti-Americanism and shove it up your ass.

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    Yep. I wholeheartedly share the Saker's distrust of and resentment towards the US government, but I cannot abide his undiscerning anti-Americanism.

    I am proud to be an American and I would put our FORMER culture and nation up against anyone in history for fundamental decency, prosperity, productivity, safety, and a chance for the average guy. But that former USA is deteriorating culturally, demographically, spiritually, and economically, under a steady concerted attack, and it is not Russia doing the attacking.
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  225. Brawndo says:
    @Fred V. Reed
    Possibly the best piece I have ever read.

    Says the coward hding out in Mexico. Don’t worry boomer, we’ll clean up the mess your shitty generation left for us.

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  226. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @RobinG
    Oliver Stone film 'UKRAINE ON FIRE' on YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzM4iVm4dRc

    Ukraine. Across its eastern border is Russia and to its west-Europe. For centuries, it has been at the center of a tug-of-war between powers seeking to control its rich lands and access to the Black Sea. 2014's Maidan Massacre triggered a bloody uprising that ousted president Viktor Yanukovych and painted Russia as the perpetrator by Western media. But was it?

    "Ukraine on Fire" by Igor Lopatonok provides a historical perspective for the deep divisions in the region which led to the 2004 Orange Revolution, 2014 uprisings, and the violent overthrow of democratically elected Yanukovych. Covered by Western media as a people's revolution, it was in fact a coup d'état scripted and staged by nationalist groups and the U.S. State Department. Investigative journalist Robert Parry reveals how U.S.-funded political NGOs and media companies have emerged since the 80s replacing the CIA in promoting America's geopolitical agenda abroad.

    Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton backed the Nazis. Oddly enough, the same 'blood and soil' imagery and chants were used in Charlottesville and the Unite the Right 'rally'. Add in the fact the organizer, Kessler, was an Obama voter and Occupy supporter. It appears Charlotttesville was scripted as well.
     

    Obama and Clinton did indeed back the neo-Nazis in Ukraine. – Nice touch for their resumes.

    Meanwhile the “liberated” Ukraine is entering its “well-done” phase: http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/03/the-rothschilds-and-ukraine.html
    “The Rothschild family has come up with an initiative to create a group of Ukrainian bond holders to shape a common policy on debt settlement. Rothschild & Cie Banque, a French bank belonging to Rothschild Group, offered its service in the capacity of «go-between» in the talks of Ukraine’s Ministry of Finances and creditors on restructuring the debt.”
    One of the possible outcomes of the approaching default: “….the agreement will confirm the consent of Ukraine’s government on complete privatization of the country, including the rest of state industrial property, land and natural resources. Franklin Templeton and other structures belonging to the Rothschilds will gain.”

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  227. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama
    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general. In particular, they ought not be allowed to proselytise in the West.

    I think the greater dangers of Islam are in the seductive ideas of glory and martyrdom it promises youth in general.

    nope Sam

    the greatest danger of Islam (to the West) is that treacherous Jews in the West are using their positions of power to open the gates to a massive and transformational invasion of the West by Islamic hoards. Duh

    If we’d simply stop fighting eternal zio-wars for Israel, and leave the Muslims alone to sell us oil, there’d be no problem with Islam.

    But it’s because of the ((invade / invite)) kosher insanity imposed on the West by treacherous, hatred-consumed Jews, (neocons like Sheldon Adelson) that Islam is a problem today.

    wouldn’t you agree?

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    I would leave them in peace, but I would also turn off the mass migration to the west pronto, and visit visas would be hard to get.

    To my earlier comment, I'm not so naive to think there are no bad guys, so I'd follow a Trust but Verify approach tempered with Peace through Strength. Probably what TR had in mind with the Speak Softly, but Carry a Big Stick doctrine. To continue with the cliches, Just because we're the biggest kid doesn't mean we can't play nicely with the other kids on the playground.
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  228. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Serge Krieger
    Very well written and emotionally charged piece by Sacker. Despite disagreeing with him mostly on Soviet past and whitewashing of Islam I see good in him. Now, I will try to be brief but making Soviet regime equal in evilness to the mentioned Nazi and US regimes is completely false and mostly comes form Sacker's background.
    First thing that should never be missed is that unlike Nazi and US regimes Soviet regime never committed genocides. All those fair tales about tens of millions killed in Gulag and elsewhere with opened archives are pure bogus, nor did Russians and Soviets committed genocides against populations under their control in new acquired lands. Central Asia had extremely low population when taken over by Russia. Under Soviet rule that population ballooned out of all proportions due to extremely favorable conditions created. I know, I lived there for 20 years.
    It should never be forgotten that Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years leading to their mental and physical degeneration and huge deformities of Russian character which are still there even after decades of Soviet power to tackle it. By every definition Russian peasants were not serfs but slaves who could be sold, families broken and gambled away of exchanged for dogs.
    Lenin and Stalin had to do with extremely low level of human material available to them , which was uplifted basically from the dirt, educated and provided with things necessary for decent life which they never experienced before. This regime cannot be called evil. USSR did not commit evil against other countries and actually propped and helped other third world nations to build their own countries unfortunately at the expense of our own people.
    The last but not the least, were there not Bolsheviks, Russia would seize to exist as thanks to pre Bolsheviks regime, old regime led Russia to certain death by 1917. Knowing what we know about Nazis, it would be the end of Russia without Lenin and Bolsheviks coming along and the death of millions of European people and Jews. How this regime can be called evil. I have no clue.
    Otherwise, I often agree with Sacker and consider him a good man.

    “… Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years…”
    It seems that you have some strong words against Russian nobility. Have you heard about “zemstvo?” It is exemplary naive to assign all positive qualities to the manual laborers, for the expense of Russian intelligentsia, including nobility. It seems that the glorification of the laboring masses was the main point of the Soviet propaganda…
    Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a “normal” European state, with the well-developed local governments, local schools, and local hospitals in addition to the first-class universities and hospitals in the metropolitan centers. From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully. You need to check the Moscow School of Mathematics, for example. Or you could try to learn about Russian avant-garde of the beginning of the 20-th century, which was a heavy influence on the western endeavors (minus the soulful seriousness of the Russian artists and architects who were deep into philosophy). The Bolshevik revolution was a terrorist act that stunted the development of Russia. The enormous potential of the country has allowed for a recovery, long and painful, which is still going on today.

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    From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully.

    And somebody did not like it.
    , @Thirdeye
    "Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a “normal” European state......."

    That would be predicated on Russia winning in WWI, which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do. Absent the Bolshevik Revolution, the most likely outcome would have been a rump Russian state bordered by ethnic statelets aligned with colonial powers seeking their resources - minerals in the Donbas, oil in the Caucasus region, agricultural products in the Ukraine and such. The Bolsheviks succeeded in holding most of the old empire together by taking a de-Russified stance that allowed them to make deals with the outer nationalities to oppose the Tsarists. The Tsarists were never going to do that. Britain was still very much into the Great Game and would not foster a settlement of the war that would lead to the rise of a competitive industrial power in Russia.

    The essential tension in the Tsarist attempts at developing the Russian economy was the antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended - the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class. And that's not even considering the tension between the Tsarists and the nationalities who chafed under their rule. One way or another, disruptive social strife was in the cards.

    Whatever else might be said about Stalin, the development of heavy industries in the 1930s was a signal accomplishment that blindsided virtually the entire world. It resulted in Hitler woefully underestimating the Soviet Union's ability to mount a sustained war effort.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Russian nobility had it's day but by 20 the century it was overall parasitic class. Catastrophic you are talking about was caused by exactly this nobility with Tsar at the top and what bolsheviks did they saved Russia which effectively was dying. No, with all trends Russia would have never become normal state. It is interesting line of thinking you show which is purely speculative because you hate what bolsheviks represented. However, nothing in Russian history at the time signified Russia turning into anything but western colony. It is where things were heading before bolsheviks took power and proceeded with their vision. Far from being a catastrophe it was divine intervention which was obvious from results. I am far from glorifying peasants but they turned the way they were due to objective conditions created by parasitic classes literally sucking peasants dry for centuries. Russia was suffering never ending famines before bolsheviks. They also were confined to their status. Bolsheviks released all that energy turning backward and poor country into premier superpower. If you check famous Soviet engineers and scientists you will find many from peasant stock. Modern Russia unfortunately does not inspire long term confidence.
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  229. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @peterAUS

    Am I getting inappropriately ‘involved’?
     
    Free will, brother....free will.....

    Semantics !?

    Power vacuum then.

    Speaking of "Czechs or Slovaks" you remember '68?

    So, should you have an opportunity to choose, which master you'd prefer: Russian or American?

    Yes, yes, I know that it would be right,proper, the best, whatever, to be without any master, but,Czechs or Slovaks, of all the people, should know how the real world really works.


    I am not sure about the others you have listed, but I have my doubts about some.
     
    You mean which master the'd prefer?
    Probably.
    I have zero doubts about some, too.

    I’ll pick Dragon. They seem like they plan ahead beyond 4 years.

    At least the Chinese will mostly leave us alone beyond economics and they helped us against the Americans when your masters decided to abuse us for fun. Repeatedly.

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    Like the Chinese "mostly left the" Uighurs alone "except for economics"?

    Like the Chinese "mostly left the" Tibetans alone "except for economics"?

    A China unchecked by a strong, cohesive, determined USA and Russia - preferably both working together - is a terrifying prospect. Of course, I will readily admit that the us government has been dishonest and unreliable even as a wary partner, let alone an ally, of Russia, and that "my" government has relentlessly encircled Russia, lied to Russia, lied about Russia, and thus driven them into the arms of the Chinese. That was avoidable and must be reversed as soon as possible.

    Russia and the USA need each other in the struggle to deter and contain China, and in the civilizational battle against the evil of Islam.

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  230. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Greg Bacon
    Thought the 'SAKER' was in control of his faculties but after reading this rant, implying that there is no difference between WW II Nazis and Americans, think the Saker has been too long out in the Sun.

    That's the same toxic BS the violent Judaic-led Antifa Thugs are pushing, that white Americans males are actually secret Nazis and must be exterminated.

    Yet the Saker nor Antifa mention the fact that the Bolshevik Jews, from 1917-1957 murdered around 66 million Russians, mostly Christians who refused to bow down to Godless Communism. Add in the other Commie slaughters and the figure is easily over 100 million.


    This toxic ideology is what the SAKER wants us to follow after his/her Antifa buds tear apart the USA?
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  231. @Anon
    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The American government made 800 treaties with the Indians and broke every single one while at the same time committing genocide.

    America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776

    http://davidswanson.org/warlist/?link_id=3&can_id=ed31bf4cbc8f991980718b21b49ca26d&source=email-how-outlawing-war-changed-the-world-in-1928-2&email_referrer=email_232560&email_subject=how-outlawing-war-changed-the-world-in-1928

    It's a brutal empire, like all empires, perhaps worse. It exists for the enrichment of the 1%, like all regimes. If you continue to believe propaganda, you are part of the problem.

    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    USSR survived and even triumphed from the hellfire of WWII… but declined and collapsed under its own official ideology.

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    This is an important point. There are more than a few historians who believe the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1980s was ultimately the consequence of destruction suffered during the Russo-German war of 1941-45.


    On a semi-related note the work of Emmanuel Todd is interesting if you have not read it.

    After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (2003)
    by Emmanuel Todd

     

    "Todd attracted attention in 1976 when he, at 25 years old, predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, based on indicators such as increasing infant mortality rates: La chute finale: Essais sur la décomposition de la sphère Soviétique (The Final Fall: An Essay on the Decomposition of the Soviet Sphere)."

     

    , @anonymous

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.
     
    "great moral capital."

    do you stay up nights making up this s&%t?

    USSR was enriched like never before because Commies walked out of Germany with everything that wasn't nailed down and 90% of what was nailed down (discounted by what US stole from Germany).

    It didn't hurt that USA lent them money to achieve this "proud victory", aided & abetted by Commie spies in FDR's government like mosquitos in Mississippi.
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  232. Moi says:
    @nickels
    1) David Irving proves that it is very unlikely Hitler knew of the execution of jews, and he was fully committed to dealing with that issue after the war and moving them elsewhere. The atrocities were done under by his staff (and, of course, are not described accurately by the holohoa$x industry).
    2) if Germany had not torn into Russia, considering the massive buildup of arms (Hitler's big mistake was underestimating this), it is likely that Bolshevism would have enslaved Europe and, perhaps, in time, the world.
    3) It was the Anglos and Drunkhill (Drunk Churchill), who refused to come to agreement with Germany, on fair terms that resolved the Versaille disaster, that led to the war. Hitler sued for peace for a year before Barbarossa. The war and the Partisan revolts, in which jews played a huge role, led to the accrlerated deportations and hence atrocities against the jews. And, of course, it was Drunkhill's jewish creditors that helped pushed Britain to this stance, make of that what you will. Britain's goal was always to annhilate Germany.
    4) The atrocities against Germany, the rape and starvations after the war, destroy any moral case for the Allies to have a hand in future world governance.
    5) It is the Anglo/Jewish establishment that has pushed America to Empire, always, and it is the Anglo-Zionist cabal that started not only WW I, II, and, if they have their way, III.

    So, whereas the argument in the article is a good pedagogical approach for helping people understand the Empire, the actual nuances are not necessarily in agreement.

    The Anglo Zionists will likely take over the world and usher in the AntiChrist.

    The Zios will take over, with the shabbos goyim doing the dirty work.

    This might interest you (although I’m no fan of the writer):

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068

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  233. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    you remember ’68?
     
    No, ancient history. But I do remember bombing of Kosovo for 'human rights'.

    It is a shallow nonsense to state that in a 'real world' one must choose a master. Allies, yes, friends, yes, but where do you get the idea that one must have a master civilization to defer to?

    'Power vacuum'? What does that actually mean? How would it work in practise in today's Europe? All countries in Europe have more than enough 'governments', institutions and a stable civilization. There is literally a zero chance of a 'vacuum', power or otherwise. Those societies are fairly well governed. The main threat they are facing are unmanageable migrants from the Third World. And possibly some mutual hostilities traced back to their contentious history. But neither US, nor Russia, nor China, have much to do directly with any of it. Chasing towel-headed fanatics in Afghanistan or marching around the Baltic marshes are equally pointless when it comes to real threats those countries are facing. We all know it and the false choice that you are trying to push on us is absurd in its face. It is in your head, the dichotomy of latter-day Cold War grandpas, it means nothing today.

    you remember ’68?

    No, ancient history.

    O.K.

    But this isn’t ancient history:

    would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

    Makes sense.
    Whatever works to swipe Soviet/Russian imperialism, genocide, war crimes and atrocities under the rug.
    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us. We are the good guys…….we are….we are…..we are…………………………..

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    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us.
     
    Any objective observer can see the exact opposite: it is the 'Anglos' who try to control the narrative and constantly declare themselves the 'good guys'. You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10's of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc...) or US, or Australia.

    You seem to be one of the Cold War grandpas, still bitter after all those years. Get over it, '68? who the f..k cares?
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  234. @Quartermaster
    More hilarious ignorance by Saker:

    I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America.
     
    If you haven't seen any, you need to get out more. I saw a lot of it even back in the 60s. Family and friends saw it get worse through the 70s and 80s.

    The Nazi regime in the Ukraine....
     
    You just can't get past this pathetic lie. And, lie it is.

    This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia, with war and possibly nuclear war and that, in turn, means that this Empire threatens the survival of the human species.
     
    This is truly funny in its bland ignorance. The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal. Yet, you can't get past this lie either. I don't like the fact the Neocons don't pick battles well, but not all they have involved the US in have been failures, despite your nonsense. To take just the one operation you call a complete failure, Grenada, was anything but. It's objectives were reached, and the fighting stopped. Same in Panama.

    To borrow a few lines from H. L. Mencken, with no apologies,

    If you don't read Saker, you are uninformed.
    If you do read Saker, you are misinformed.

    Saker talks about brainwashing, but cant get past his self brain laundering.

    Latin America is the way it is because it bought into socialism. Argentina was a 1st world country in the early 20th century. Then, Peron came on the scene and the old phrase "rich as an Argentine" lost its meaning as Peron drubbed the country economically. No form of fascism is healthy economically. Even the current version of China is a house of cards.

    By the by, if Russia is so great, why doesn't he live there? The reason is quite simply, and goes back to a statement made of Stalin's Soviet Union - the place is a 3rd world country with nukes.

    The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal.

    That is a material misstatement of fact. Both Russia and Ukraine disarmed a significant number of nukes. In fact, more than a couple neocons played up the possibility of nuking up Ukraine in response to Crimea, pointing out that it had agreed to diarm all of its nukes in exchange for a Russian guarantee of Ukranian borders at that time.

    Greneda: A stunning success indeed, but one of the duller stars on my Expeditionary Medal ribbon. Not really a fair fight, but the surfing was OK.

    A lot of Latin America owes its present state to a succession of socialist governments toppled by US juntas. One can only wonder how they’d be if they hadn’t endured that vicious cycle.

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    Minor point of correction - Ukrainian controlled nukes were never on the table. No former Soviet strategic forces were ever going to be under the control of former outer republics. The deal was for the former Ukrainian SSR to maintain its borders in exchange for neutrality, period. Russia even moved to counteract those in Crimea who wished to remain with Russia rather than join the new Ukrainian state.

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html
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  235. @Cyrano
    Hey dumbo, you don't have to fight the Russians. Just make some heroic Hollywood prequel movies. When the Russians see how brave you are in your movies, they'll never dare to fight you.

    Red Dawn 1984 teamed the Sovs up with the Cubans, but the latter seem rather toothless now, so Red Dawn 2012 teamed the Russkies up with the big, bad Norks.

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  236. woodNfish says:

    The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire. … This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia

    And yet at the beginning of this article, this POS ruskie immigrant says he evacuated with others from Florida. Hey shithead jew! GO BACK TO RUSSIA! Of course the Russians don’t want you POS jews either. I don’t blame them.

    I also noticed in your entirely too long diatribe Saker, you POS jew, that you fail to mention that jews helped put Hitler in power by voting for him and supporting him until he turned on them. So you have your rewritten history too. POS hypocrite jew.

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  237. utu says:
    @anon
    "... Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years..."
    It seems that you have some strong words against Russian nobility. Have you heard about "zemstvo?" It is exemplary naive to assign all positive qualities to the manual laborers, for the expense of Russian intelligentsia, including nobility. It seems that the glorification of the laboring masses was the main point of the Soviet propaganda...
    Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a "normal" European state, with the well-developed local governments, local schools, and local hospitals in addition to the first-class universities and hospitals in the metropolitan centers. From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully. You need to check the Moscow School of Mathematics, for example. Or you could try to learn about Russian avant-garde of the beginning of the 20-th century, which was a heavy influence on the western endeavors (minus the soulful seriousness of the Russian artists and architects who were deep into philosophy). The Bolshevik revolution was a terrorist act that stunted the development of Russia. The enormous potential of the country has allowed for a recovery, long and painful, which is still going on today.

    From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully.

    And somebody did not like it.

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  238. Cyrano says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Excellent points, except that decent people must rejoice that the soviets were prevented from enjoying even more "fruits" of their sacrifice. Enough people suffered under that vile regime already, in Russia, in the other SSRs, and elsewhere.

    The reason I am writing you this memento is because you are demento. You don’t know nothing about communism, so shut your trap. All the experts like you have ever heard about communism is some stale propaganda and they think they know everything.

    Repeat after me: gulag, KGB, Stalin, oppression. After you repeat this phrase 10 times – you are an expert on communism. That about sums it up how you and the others like you have acquired their “knowledge” on communism.

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  239. @Kiza
    As someone who used to be a regular commenter here and now come here only when have absolutely nothing better to do, I would like to award you the title of the most brainwashed, dumb and annoying troll on unz.com. Since I reside in the same country as you do, I actually find it hard to imagine that such sh** rolls down the same streets that I walk. Simply, I have never met crap like you in this fine country. You and a couple of other morons are the reason that I am not commenting here any more. You can enjoy the cesspool you created together with your Hasbara friends, Averies and other assorted.

    To put it in another way - you are so full of valuable opinions as a turd is rich in vitamins.

    If she have not said do already, unz comments are a cesspool now, unfortunately.

    PS I thought that Wizzard of Oz was bad till this empty-headed crap showed up.

    I just read through some of your comments from the last month. I wouldn’t be opposed to you slowing down even more. Thanks for doing that.

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    You are a champion turd swimming the backstroke in this cesspool, although I have not even paid attention to your crap before. No need to slow down, you are swimming among the friendly turds. Are you turds at least paid for your mind-diarrhea, out of those $600M that US government dedicated to making a swamp out of the Internet until it can control it. LOL.
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  240. @Priss Factor
    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    USSR survived and even triumphed from the hellfire of WWII... but declined and collapsed under its own official ideology.

    This is an important point. There are more than a few historians who believe the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1980s was ultimately the consequence of destruction suffered during the Russo-German war of 1941-45.

    On a semi-related note the work of Emmanuel Todd is interesting if you have not read it.

    After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (2003)
    by Emmanuel Todd

     

    “Todd attracted attention in 1976 when he, at 25 years old, predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, based on indicators such as increasing infant mortality rates: La chute finale: Essais sur la décomposition de la sphère Soviétique (The Final Fall: An Essay on the Decomposition of the Soviet Sphere).”

     

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    Thanks for the link. I'd never heard of the book , but I've just read through the very interesting Amazon summary and comments .

    https://www.amazon.com/After-Empire-Breakdown-Perspectives-Criticism/dp/023113102X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505787199&sr=8-1&keywords=emmanuel+todd

    Without reading the book I shouldn't comment, but anyway; Publishers Weekly does a fine summary, and reviewer Dick Burkhart says,

    "However, as Chalmers Johnson suggests, we should look at modern empire from new perspectives. The rest of the world is forced to prop up the US economy, otherwise their own economies will be hard hit. And the US empire project is directed at granting the benefits of US citizenship throughout the world, not as political citizens but as consumers, not as equal citizens, but with most of the wealth going to elites, for whom the rest labor at low cost. It's a kind of universal citizenship for the wealthy, with just enough "bread and circuses" for the masses to keep them from revolting, also enough education and entrepreneurial opportunity that they will be good employees and suppliers, and enough social opportunity that the most talented and hardworking can make it into the elites rather than leading revolts. In practice, of course, what has often materialized, under the lure of short-term profit, has been the stench of exploitation."
     
    Todd makes the valuable point that US $ reserve status is central to everything (very much linked to oil pricing) and it is weakening.

    Also from Publishers Weekly:

    "Particularly reductionist is his demographic and anthropological view of political science, in which birth and literacy rates and peasant family structures are virtually the sole determinants of a society's politics (but, it should be noted, he used declining birth rates in the Soviet Union to predict its downfall). "
     
    It 's surprising, but these basic indicators of social health do seem to have strong predictive value.
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  241. Thirdeye says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Is it alright that the soviets "merely" murdered FEWER millions of innocent peaceful people, including millions of Christian Russians and other Christian Slavs? What is your point?

    Facts matter.

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  242. Thirdeye says:
    @The Alarmist

    The US is the only country that has openly cut its nuke arsenal.
     
    That is a material misstatement of fact. Both Russia and Ukraine disarmed a significant number of nukes. In fact, more than a couple neocons played up the possibility of nuking up Ukraine in response to Crimea, pointing out that it had agreed to diarm all of its nukes in exchange for a Russian guarantee of Ukranian borders at that time.

    Greneda: A stunning success indeed, but one of the duller stars on my Expeditionary Medal ribbon. Not really a fair fight, but the surfing was OK.

    A lot of Latin America owes its present state to a succession of socialist governments toppled by US juntas. One can only wonder how they'd be if they hadn't endured that vicious cycle.

    Minor point of correction – Ukrainian controlled nukes were never on the table. No former Soviet strategic forces were ever going to be under the control of former outer republics. The deal was for the former Ukrainian SSR to maintain its borders in exchange for neutrality, period. Russia even moved to counteract those in Crimea who wished to remain with Russia rather than join the new Ukrainian state.

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html

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  243. Another religious exercise: we get to pick our interests and of experience proves us wrong we adjust.

    Saker just likes to play the prophet, the rabbi and have us believe based on the words used, and not the truth observed.

    Saker is of the Book, but no evidence of proven ability: he is of reveal truth and not demonstrated performance.

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  244. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Yes, the Russians destroyed the Nazis while paying a tremendous price.

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    USSR survived and even triumphed from the hellfire of WWII... but declined and collapsed under its own official ideology.

    The great irony is the Nazis did the most physical damage to the USSR but strengthened the USSR like never before. By end of WWII, Soviets had gained all of Eastern Europe and had won great moral capital and pride as the victors over mighty Germany.

    “great moral capital.”

    do you stay up nights making up this s&%t?

    USSR was enriched like never before because Commies walked out of Germany with everything that wasn’t nailed down and 90% of what was nailed down (discounted by what US stole from Germany).

    It didn’t hurt that USA lent them money to achieve this “proud victory”, aided & abetted by Commie spies in FDR’s government like mosquitos in Mississippi.

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    Well said, sir. I have come to have respect, appreciation, and even admiration for the russians despite being raised in the Cold War era, and the fact that they choose a different system of government than our former system is no threat or offense to me.

    But the Soviet Union or communism? HELL NO.

    The USSR was just as evil and menacing as I was taught, but the US government has grown into much the same kind of cruel leviathan. Moreover, the USSR wasn't nearly as Russian as I had been taught and assumed, judging from the prevalence of nonRussians in the revolution and long thereafter, and from the great cruelty and harm that the USSR inflicted on the Russian people.

    God bless Americans and our cousins the Russians. I continue to pray for less belligerence and lying by the government I once thought of as mine, and mir and profitable trade, tourism, and cultural exchange between our peoples.

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  245. Thirdeye says:
    @anon
    "... Sacker comes from the line or class that had been sadistically exploiting and draining Russian peasant population for at least 200 years..."
    It seems that you have some strong words against Russian nobility. Have you heard about "zemstvo?" It is exemplary naive to assign all positive qualities to the manual laborers, for the expense of Russian intelligentsia, including nobility. It seems that the glorification of the laboring masses was the main point of the Soviet propaganda...
    Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a "normal" European state, with the well-developed local governments, local schools, and local hospitals in addition to the first-class universities and hospitals in the metropolitan centers. From the end of the 19th century, Russia was going through the industrial revolution, successfully. You need to check the Moscow School of Mathematics, for example. Or you could try to learn about Russian avant-garde of the beginning of the 20-th century, which was a heavy influence on the western endeavors (minus the soulful seriousness of the Russian artists and architects who were deep into philosophy). The Bolshevik revolution was a terrorist act that stunted the development of Russia. The enormous potential of the country has allowed for a recovery, long and painful, which is still going on today.

    “Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a “normal” European state…….”

    That would be predicated on Russia winning in WWI, which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do. Absent the Bolshevik Revolution, the most likely outcome would have been a rump Russian state bordered by ethnic statelets aligned with colonial powers seeking their resources – minerals in the Donbas, oil in the Caucasus region, agricultural products in the Ukraine and such. The Bolsheviks succeeded in holding most of the old empire together by taking a de-Russified stance that allowed them to make deals with the outer nationalities to oppose the Tsarists. The Tsarists were never going to do that. Britain was still very much into the Great Game and would not foster a settlement of the war that would lead to the rise of a competitive industrial power in Russia.

    The essential tension in the Tsarist attempts at developing the Russian economy was the antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended – the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class. And that’s not even considering the tension between the Tsarists and the nationalities who chafed under their rule. One way or another, disruptive social strife was in the cards.

    Whatever else might be said about Stalin, the development of heavy industries in the 1930s was a signal accomplishment that blindsided virtually the entire world. It resulted in Hitler woefully underestimating the Soviet Union’s ability to mount a sustained war effort.

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    "...which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do."
    Perhaps you are not aware of the name of Mr. Jacob Schiff, an American financier, and his effective efforts re Russo-Japanese war of 1905 and the revolutionary agitation among the Russians prisoners of the war. The Bolshevik revolution was the fundamentally terrorist enterprise that started with the dissolving of the constitutional assembly. Look for the financiers of the prominent Bolshevick revolutionaries, for example, Trotsky.
    "...antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended – the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class."
    This statement is not supported by the facts. Even the old and moneyed aristocrats (for example, Nabokovs) were on a side of reforms.
    , @Seraphim
    Russia was not losing the war in 1917. The 'Revolution' did.
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  246. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    you remember ’68?

    No, ancient history.
     
    O.K.

    But this isn't ancient history:

    would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche.

    By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans.

    stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico!

    the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?
     
    Makes sense.
    Whatever works to swipe Soviet/Russian imperialism, genocide, war crimes and atrocities under the rug.
    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us. We are the good guys.......we are....we are.....we are................................

    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us.

    Any objective observer can see the exact opposite: it is the ‘Anglos’ who try to control the narrative and constantly declare themselves the ‘good guys’. You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10′s of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc…) or US, or Australia.

    You seem to be one of the Cold War grandpas, still bitter after all those years. Get over it, ’68? who the f..k cares?

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    ’68? who the f..k cares?
     
    Rusophiles definitely don't.

    And they don't also care for the rest of this .......casual reading:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

    All in the ancient past for them.
    We just need to trust them, they say.

    They are the good guys.....they say.

    And if they keep repeating it, well, who knows...they believe some people will buy it.
    That's the one thing in this topic I agree with them.

    Quantity has its own quality.
    , @Johnny Rico

    You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10′s of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc…) or US, or Australia.
     
    Could you do me a favor and translate this sentence into English? Thanks.

    It's just that rough estimates show Ireland's population dropping from 8 million in 1840 to 3.2 million in 1900 and your grammar is impenetrable.
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  247. IvyMike says:

    I agree with most of what you say but, being such a stickler for details and absolute truth I strongly encourage you to research how complex, time consuming, and impossible to conceal is the preparation for a controlled demolition. And maybe spend a year in quite and sober self contemplation with the goal of slowing down your very interesting stream of concsiousness and expressing yourself with a bit more clarity.

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    Mike, I would suggest that you research the total power shutdowns, the only such events in the history of the buildings, just prior to 9/11, the large number of "art students" living illegally for months prior to the event in said buildings, along with cartons clearly marked as coming from a detonator manufacturer and who exactly controlled the security company whose job it was to watch over them. There's much more...
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  248. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Completely agree, except that the US govt regards pretty much the entire planet as its "sphere of influence".

    True.

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  249. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us.
     
    Any objective observer can see the exact opposite: it is the 'Anglos' who try to control the narrative and constantly declare themselves the 'good guys'. You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10's of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc...) or US, or Australia.

    You seem to be one of the Cold War grandpas, still bitter after all those years. Get over it, '68? who the f..k cares?

    ’68? who the f..k cares?

    Rusophiles definitely don’t.

    And they don’t also care for the rest of this …….casual reading:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

    All in the ancient past for them.
    We just need to trust them, they say.

    They are the good guys…..they say.

    And if they keep repeating it, well, who knows…they believe some people will buy it.
    That’s the one thing in this topic I agree with them.

    Quantity has its own quality.

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  250. @Beckow

    Nothing there. Move on. Keep focus on bad Anglos. Trust us.
     
    Any objective observer can see the exact opposite: it is the 'Anglos' who try to control the narrative and constantly declare themselves the 'good guys'. You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10's of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc...) or US, or Australia.

    You seem to be one of the Cold War grandpas, still bitter after all those years. Get over it, '68? who the f..k cares?

    You barely ever see comparisons between British behaviour that has caused 10′s of millions of dead (from Ireland to colonises, etc…) or US, or Australia.

    Could you do me a favor and translate this sentence into English? Thanks.

    It’s just that rough estimates show Ireland’s population dropping from 8 million in 1840 to 3.2 million in 1900 and your grammar is impenetrable.

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  251. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Thirdeye
    "Also, there is a well-documented opinion that Russia needed some 20-25 more years (before the Bolshevik catastrophe) to become a “normal” European state......."

    That would be predicated on Russia winning in WWI, which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do. Absent the Bolshevik Revolution, the most likely outcome would have been a rump Russian state bordered by ethnic statelets aligned with colonial powers seeking their resources - minerals in the Donbas, oil in the Caucasus region, agricultural products in the Ukraine and such. The Bolsheviks succeeded in holding most of the old empire together by taking a de-Russified stance that allowed them to make deals with the outer nationalities to oppose the Tsarists. The Tsarists were never going to do that. Britain was still very much into the Great Game and would not foster a settlement of the war that would lead to the rise of a competitive industrial power in Russia.

    The essential tension in the Tsarist attempts at developing the Russian economy was the antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended - the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class. And that's not even considering the tension between the Tsarists and the nationalities who chafed under their rule. One way or another, disruptive social strife was in the cards.

    Whatever else might be said about Stalin, the development of heavy industries in the 1930s was a signal accomplishment that blindsided virtually the entire world. It resulted in Hitler woefully underestimating the Soviet Union's ability to mount a sustained war effort.

    “…which by 1917 they were clearly not going to do.”
    Perhaps you are not aware of the name of Mr. Jacob Schiff, an American financier, and his effective efforts re Russo-Japanese war of 1905 and the revolutionary agitation among the Russians prisoners of the war. The Bolshevik revolution was the fundamentally terrorist enterprise that started with the dissolving of the constitutional assembly. Look for the financiers of the prominent Bolshevick revolutionaries, for example, Trotsky.
    “…antagonism developing between the aristocracy and those on whom such development depended – the rising bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the industrial working class.”
    This statement is not supported by the facts. Even the old and moneyed aristocrats (for example, Nabokovs) were on a side of reforms.

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    Yeah, yeah, the revolution was a big Jew conspiracy against Russia. Boring.

    The fact that there were dissidents aristocrats like Nabokov pere and Kropotkin doesn't change the overall stance of the Russian aristocracy towards the new dynamic classes that they saw as a threat to their power. They wanted the benefits of industrial development without the social changes that it would bring about.
    , @Anon
    "Look for the financiers of the prominent Bolshevick revolutionaries, for example, Trotsky."

    Don't forget, when looking at Trotsky, to look into close Wilson advisor (very powerful then now 'forgotten'), Mandell House. When he and his group were stopped by Canada for being professional agitators, M. H. arranged for their liberation. The group proceeded on to Russia. The rest is known.
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  252. You have no problem listing the sins of the U.S. and in large part you are fairly factual. However, you fail to mention the fact that the American Indians were among the bloodiest of examples, of humanity on the face of the earth. Long before the U.S. was a nation. Slavery, torture for ritual and military domination of any other tribe was the common theme of life for the “noble American indian”.

    The English , Dutch & every other European nation, shipped hundreds of thousands of Irish and Scots to the new world – and the Carib Islands, as out-right slaves and as indentured servants, long before Africans became the primary basis of the slave trade, by the same English, Dutch ect ect slave traders. Yale University was established by one of the premier slave ship owners of that era. New York was named after the slaver “blackbird” Duke of York. History is what it is. Humanity is on average a bloody, heedless raft of barbarians. The “moneyed and powerful” have always dictated the terms by which all peoples live their lives, with no regard for right or wrong and without granting a choice in the decision making to all the “rest of us”. That has not changed at all.

    You are intent on beating the U.S. for repeating the same mistakes that every empire in history has made; as if you are surprised that people are still greedy, vengeful and stupid.

    Let me correct you on one aspect of this history. China and Russia and several dozen other nations murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, just because the politics of doing so was so easy. They also murdered millions of people that were not their own citizens.

    The U.S. has also murdered millions of people, not U.S. citizens and a few million or so American soldiers during “Lincolns War”; “Wilsons War”; “FDRs War”; “Trumans War”; The Eisenhower/LBJ War”; the South American “Drug Franchising Wars”; meddling in the “Balkans’ Wars” and all the various “Sand Wars”. Reprehensible each and every one; and yet supported by the international community at every turn.

    YET- YET – To date however, the U.S. has refrained from murdering tens of millions of its fellow Americans. At least to date – tho that is subject to change any day, considering the political realities facing us.

    People are people the world over and regardless of where they started from, historically they end up in the same place – again and again. Enjoy the one sided debate you have going and remember – repeating history is what humanity does best.

    And ain’t that a bloody, damn shame.

    Bill Cleveland

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    Agree.

    Well written.

    There IS a catch though with

    repeating history is what humanity does best
     
    Nuclear weapons. Thermonuclear type.

    That adds some gravity to the current situation.
    , @Schmid
    Nope!

    The US is the cause of Hitler and WWII and of the bolshevik Revolution and therefore of Stalin and Mao https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton and http://guidopreparata.com/conjuring-hitler/. The US and UK has make this bloody history come true, the atrocity was planed! They wanted to destroy Gemany and prevent cooperation between Russia and Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYnUzB-vX8o. For that they put Hitler to power. Then the US powered the German army (until 1942 !) and let WWII happen. Finaly UK and US destroys Germany: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/14/hellstorm-the-documentary/ Officially the "good guys" has won over the "bad guys". The "bad guys" have to be eternally thankful for their liberation and have to subjugate themselves as vassals under the legitimate leading power.

    The UK and US's machiavellic plans are for shure by fare the most criminal in history, such destructive power was never seen before. I don't think there was ever such an evil Empire in history as the US. After they cause the two wars in Europe, they continue in Korea (killing 20-30% of the population of NK), Vietnam, Afghanistan, Irak (1 Million casualties), Libya, Syria...

    Antony C. Sutton in Chapter 12 of "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" estimate the number murdered as consequence of the US-politics until 1975 to be 200 Millions. Never ever a nation has sunk this low in criminal acting against humanity.
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  253. @IvyMike
    I agree with most of what you say but, being such a stickler for details and absolute truth I strongly encourage you to research how complex, time consuming, and impossible to conceal is the preparation for a controlled demolition. And maybe spend a year in quite and sober self contemplation with the goal of slowing down your very interesting stream of concsiousness and expressing yourself with a bit more clarity.

    Mike, I would suggest that you research the total power shutdowns, the only such events in the history of the buildings, just prior to 9/11, the large number of “art students” living illegally for months prior to the event in said buildings, along with cartons clearly marked as coming from a detonator manufacturer and who exactly controlled the security company whose job it was to watch over them. There’s much more…

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    the large number of “art students” with 24/7 Construction Passes living illegally at the point of impact, for the 4 years prior to the event in said buildings,
     
    I put a bit finer point on it for ya, Nosey. My pleasure.
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  254. peterAUS says:
    @Circular Argument
    You have no problem listing the sins of the U.S. and in large part you are fairly factual. However, you fail to mention the fact that the American Indians were among the bloodiest of examples, of humanity on the face of the earth. Long before the U.S. was a nation. Slavery, torture for ritual and military domination of any other tribe was the common theme of life for the "noble American indian".

    The English , Dutch & every other European nation, shipped hundreds of thousands of Irish and Scots to the new world - and the Carib Islands, as out-right slaves and as indentured servants, long before Africans became the primary basis of the slave trade, by the same English, Dutch ect ect slave traders. Yale University was established by one of the premier slave ship owners of that era. New York was named after the slaver "blackbird" Duke of York. History is what it is. Humanity is on average a bloody, heedless raft of barbarians. The "moneyed and powerful" have always dictated the terms by which all peoples live their lives, with no regard for right or wrong and without granting a choice in the decision making to all the "rest of us". That has not changed at all.

    You are intent on beating the U.S. for repeating the same mistakes that every empire in history has made; as if you are surprised that people are still greedy, vengeful and stupid.

    Let me correct you on one aspect of this history. China and Russia and several dozen other nations murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, just because the politics of doing so was so easy. They also murdered millions of people that were not their own citizens.

    The U.S. has also murdered millions of people, not U.S. citizens and a few million or so American soldiers during "Lincolns War"; "Wilsons War"; "FDRs War"; "Trumans War"; The Eisenhower/LBJ War"; the South American "Drug Franchising Wars"; meddling in the "Balkans' Wars" and all the various "Sand Wars". Reprehensible each and every one; and yet supported by the international community at every turn.

    YET- YET - To date however, the U.S. has refrained from murdering tens of millions of its fellow Americans. At least to date - tho that is subject to change any day, considering the political realities facing us.

    People are people the world over and regardless of where they started from, historically they end up in the same place - again and again. Enjoy the one sided debate you have going and remember - repeating history is what humanity does best.

    And ain't that a bloody, damn shame.

    Bill Cleveland

    Agree.

    Well written.

    There IS a catch though with

    repeating history is what humanity does best

    Nuclear weapons. Thermonuclear type.

    That adds some gravity to the current situation.

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    That adds some gravity to the current situation.

    Gravity is just a theory.
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  256. Kiza says:
    @Johnny Rico
    I just read through some of your comments from the last month. I wouldn't be opposed to you slowing down even more. Thanks for doing that.

    You are a champion turd swimming the backstroke in this cesspool, although I have not even paid attention to your crap before. No need to slow down, you are swimming among the friendly turds. Are you turds at least paid for your mind-diarrhea, out of those $600M that US government dedicated to making a swamp out of the Internet until it