The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 BlogviewTed Rall Archive
The Killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: Illegal, Disgusting and Degenerate
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

As a society degenerates, life cheapens. The rhetoric that follows death coarsens. Respect paid to fallen rivals is replaced by triumphalism.

Historians observed this trend in ancient Rome. As republic turned to empire and domain expanded — and so also arrogance and hubris — vanquished chieftains who previously might have been allowed to keep their thrones as the head of a vassal state were gruesomely executed at public triumphs. Early Christians got tossed to the lions. Gladiatorial combat became all the rage.

The assassination of Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi by U.S. special operations forces operating under orders from President Donald Trump reminds us that ours is a nation in moral decline — bloodthirsty and crass, functioning more like a vengeful crime family sending a message to its rivals than a nation of laws, a hell pit so devoid of basic ethics that it doesn’t even occur to its ruling party’s adversaries to raise the question of legality.

Nor does it cross the minds of journalists to mention the United States’ responsibility for the rise of ISIS. Rather than defend the secular socialist government of Bashar al-Assad or staying out of it, the Obama administration armed and funded the Free Syrian Army, parts of which allied with ISIS. This began the civil war. By most accounts, al-Baghdadi was radicalized by his time in a hellish prison in U.S.-occupied Iraq. That’s on George W. Bush.

Inserting the caveat that ISIS committed many terrible crimes under al-Baghdadi ought not to be necessary here. Alas, such is the depth of our depravity that to omit such a mention is to risk being accused of approving of ISIS, its religious extremism, its kidnapping, enslavement, torturing and beheading because one suggests, as I do here, that a culture that had not lost its moral moorings would not tolerate what Trump did, what the media fails to question and what even those on what passes for the “left” not only tolerate but cheer.

So here: ISIS sucks. Moving on:

“Thank you and congratulations to our special operations forces and others involved in tracking and getting rid of ISIS/Daesh leader Baghdadi,” tweeted Tulsi Gabbard.

Getting rid of.

Gabbard is, by far, the least militaristic candidate for president.

“In tone and substance,” Vox noted, “the announcements of the deaths of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Osama bin Laden couldn’t have been more different.” In 2011, Barack Obama used “nearly clinical tones” in his taped statement, and Trump made fun of the dead jihadi, dubiously claiming that he left this world “whimpering and crying and screaming all the way” before detonating a suicide vest. He “died like a dog, died like a coward,” Trump told a press conference. Perhaps Caesar had something similarly classy to say about Vercingetorix.

ORDER IT NOW

If ISIS had been defeated, as the president previously stated, the death of al-Baghdadi wasn’t a military victory. Worse than the BS was the undiluted repulsiveness of the president’s statement. Trump’s degeneracy did not spring out of thin air; rather, it was the culmination of his predecessors’ increasingly shameless contempt for the human lives we have given them the power to snuff out — and their discovery that holding up a severed head as a trophy can get you votes.

Obama played it cool. He put his surrogates in charge of his death-gloating.

“If you are looking for a bumper sticker to sum up how President Obama has handled what we inherited, it’s pretty simple: Osama bin Laden is dead, and General Motors is alive,” Vice President Joe Biden bragged as he stumped for Obama in 2012. No one in the media questioned the White House about the lack of legal justification for the operation.

“We came, we saw, he died,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton cackled in 2011 after she watched on TV as a U.S. drone missile hit the Moammar Khaddafi’s car, driving him into the hands of American-armed radical Islamists who sodomized the Libyan leader with a bayonet. Running for president in 2016, Clinton reminded audiences that she’d been in the Situation Room watching bin Laden being whacked.

“Good riddance,” George W. Bush said after Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was hung and decapitated. Bush invaded Iraq on the pretext that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. In fact, Colin Powell admitted to associates that the evidence he presented in a ballyhooed speech to the United Nations was “bull——.” Saddam never threatened the United States. Impeaching Bush for conning America into war, Nancy Pelosi said in 2006, was “off the table.”

We have come a long way since 1981, when Ronald Reagan, a conservative Republican, signed Executive Order 12333, which states: “No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.”

E.O. 12333 — which remains in force — was part of the aftermath of the Church Committee hearings of the 1970s, which exposed assassinations and other illegal acts committed by the CIA in Latin America and elsewhere at the height of the Cold War. American spooks conspired to murder political adversaries and heads of state, mainly on the left, all over the world. Back then, the political class had the grace to pretend to be ashamed.

When asked whether they had ordered extrajudicial assassinations, presidents of that era issued what came to be known as the Glomar response: They refused to confirm or deny. They would never have admitted — much less boasted about — murdering people. The press would never have looked the other way. If they had, the American people would not have tolerated either the politicians or the journalists.

 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: American Military, Assassinations, ISIS 
Hide 67 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
    []
  1. “ISIS sucks.”

    How glib.

    Then save your vitriol for the man who rid the Earth of the head of an organization whose existence served only to murder, maim, rape, enslave, torture, on a wholesale level, in the name of a religion?

    You are the problem with America. Not Trump. May God have mercy on your soul.

    • Agree: TTSSYF, Mr. Grey
    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  2. zimriel says:

    Illegal, disgusting, degenerate, perhaps. It was still better than what that Muslim supremacist and mass rapist deserved.

    • Replies: @anon
  3. Rall is a degenerate, vicious communist and anti-American.

    He’s always on the side of communists and jihadists.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Iris
  4. The persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire is wildly exaggerated. Modern scholarship puts the total number of Christian “martyrs” at around three thousand – over a period of three centuries in an empire that contained sixty million people. When Christians did take over they launched a murderous reign of terror against the old gods and their faithful that the Taliban and ISIS would have admired.

    Like all polytheists the Romans were tolerant of all gods, and never demanded conversion to the “one true faith.” But they were a superstitious lot and, like Pat Robertson today, imagined that calamities were the result of the gods’ anger at being insufficiently worshipped. To their way of thinking the unprecedented political, social, military, economic and natural crises of the third century were vivid proof that the gods had withdrawn their favors. It was reasonable from this perspective to assume that the growing presence of Christians was the source of these woes, yet the “persecution” amounted simply to be required to make a token gesture to the state’s patron deities.

    A souvenir of the last “great persecution,” under the Emperor Maximinus II, circa 311-312 CE is the coin you can view at http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=228421 The figure on it is Jupiter, king of the gods and the protector of the Roman state. All you had to do was drop one of these tiny pieces into the offering box at the great temple at Antioch and you were considered to have discharged your civic obligation. So many Christians complied that the early churchman Tertullian devised a special ritual to return them to the fold.

    Moderns misunderstand the nature of gladiatorial contests. In the ultra-macho Roman world, the highest honor a man could attain was to die with a weapon in his hand facing a worthy foe. Gladiators were the rock stars and sports heroes of the day. By facing death with unflinching courage, they were exemplars to the world of the best ideals of Roman manhood.

  5. @NoCriticHere

    That is nonsense. Thew story is as silly and daft as the killing of Bin Laden myth. The difference is Bin Laden died in late 2001, Al-Gold Rolex Baghdadi is alive and well with his beard shaved off in a nice hotel getting a new ID. The thing which needs to be eliminated is what created these and other terrorist and dictatorial regimes around the world they prop up and that is the USA. ISIS always belonged to you and the orange one has now removed the mask in case you forgot and grabbed the oil. You did not fight ISIS, they were only secure in US locations and USA was smuggling oil from those oil fields even when ISIS controlled them.. ISIS has bee defeated despite your best efforts.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  6. Mulegino1 says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Trump (whether knowingly or unknowingly) took a page from the Obama playbook, but spiced it up a bit with his theatrical hyperbole, i.e., “died like a dog.”

    Made a public announcement that “major terrorist leader ” has been killed by American “special forces.”

    Withing hours, DNA tests proved conclusively that the remains belonged to “major terrorist leader,” even though this is highly unlikely, if not impossible.

    Burial at sea.

    No authentic photographs of the deceased to be released. At least with Trump, we have not been shown fake composite photographs or stills from “Blackhawk Down.”

    • Agree: Rabbitnexus
  7. aela says:

    Isis was created by the CIA. That alone enplanes all else that followed.

  8. HEREDOT says:

    Bagdadi, bin laden, epstein have you seen the bodies of the men of this deep state

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  9. buckwheat says:

    So here: ISIS sucks. Moving on: Ted Rall is a fucking asshole.

    • Replies: @Herald
  10. onebornfree says: • Website

    “The Killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: Illegal, Disgusting and Degenerate”

    You are exactly right, Ted [assuming he was actually offed[.

    And predictably, all the morons here fume.

    Is this [morons fuming] just sad in its predictability, or highly entertaining? I’m not sure .

    …and so it goes.

    Regards, onebornfree

  11. He “died like a dog, died like a coward,” Trump told a press conference. Perhaps Caesar had something similarly classy to say about Vercingetorix.

    Perhaps, but Obumboy (or you Mr. Rall) didn’t seem to get his knickers in a twist with the illegal take down of Libya and Killary cackling “We came, we saw, he died,”. At least Gaddafi had raised the standard of living and life expectancy of Libyans. What did Killary and Obumboy do for Americans?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Realist
    , @Richard P
  12. Ted Rall: “As a society degenerates, life cheapens. The rhetoric that follows death coarsens. Respect paid to fallen rivals is replaced by triumphalism.

    Historians observed this trend in ancient Rome.”

    The Romans were always brutal, even during the republic. For example, after the Spartacus slave revolt was put down, the Romans showed their displeasure with the rebels by crucifying 6600 of them, about one every hundred yards along the Appian Way from Rome to Brundisium. The bodies were left to rot as an example to the rest.

    Ted Rall: “Back then, the political class had the grace to pretend to be ashamed.”

    Exactly. They pretended to have a moral compass they did not in fact possess. But states aren’t moral entities, and it’s doubtful whether the people that comprise them are. Homo lupus homini; man is a wolf to man. The United States was founded by whites seizing the land from the natives, displacing and mostly killing them in the process. Was that a moral action? If we seek examples of states acting or refraining from action on the basis of morality alone, it’s going to be hard to find any. Then there is the question of whose morality. Bagdadi no doubt thought that his own actions were morally justified. The jihadis that crashed the jets into the twin towers no doubt thought their actions were justified too. In fact, just about everyone thinks this, so plainly, Rall is here trying to smuggle in the idea that there is some kind of impersonal standard of morality against which any action can be judged moral or immoral. That’s just nonsense. There is no objective way to judge anyone’s actions; everything depends on who’s doing the judging. All we have is convention, and that means that morality is subjective, largely if not completely an illusion.

    • Replies: @Anon
  13. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    Wow, pretty strong. I’ve previously questioned his addition to the columnist roster, based on a couple of lightweight, cliche Progressive(tm) submissions so far. But is there anything in this article that you can refute?

  14. Iris says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    Rall is a degenerate, vicious communist and anti-American.

    Of course, the author should instead praise the great military exploits accomplished in the name of America.

    Such as the massacre of Saddam Hussein’s 14-years old grandson Mustafa, for instance, who was slaughtered by an entire US division, using anti-tank missiles, after his father and uncle had been killed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jul/25/iraq

    • Agree: Realist
  15. @Observator

    Modern scholarship puts the total number of Christian “martyrs” at around three thousand – over a period of three centuries in an empire that contained sixty million people.

    Fact check question posed to Google:
    “how many christians died in the roman persecutions”

    Answer:
    By 200, the faith had permeated most regions of the Roman Empire, though Christians were mostly in the larger urban areas (Gaul, Lyons, Carthage, Rome). By 325, an estimated 7 million were Christians with as many as 2 million killed for the faith.

    Anceint (sic) Christian Martyrdom
    https://www3.dbu.edu › mitchell › anceint_christian_martyrdom

    Wisdom and faith rebuke fake Roman “justice”…

  16. it was the culmination of his predecessors’ increasingly shameless contempt for the human lives we have given them the power to snuff out

    Starting with a fellow New Yorker who carried Donald’s native city as handily as Donald lost it.

  17. @Observator

    Modern scholarship puts the total number of Christian “martyrs” at around three thousand – over a period of three centuries in an empire that contained sixty million people

    So it’s as exaggerated as the Spanish Inquisition? (Which bequeathed us the presumption of innocence, by the way.)

    a token gesture to the state’s patron deities.

    A forced gesture is hardly “token”. People die over them. Ask any Irishman about “souptakers”– who, during the famine, ate Protestant food in exchange for listening to a sermon. The Quakers, being more Christian, simply fed them.

  18. Jax says:

    Ted reall is the cartoonist fired from one of the Chicago newspapers for portraying Condelezza Rice as nothing more than the House N***** during the bush presidency. I’m not surprised to see his hatred and vitriol for everyone not a commie has not abated.

    • Replies: @anon
  19. Eric135 says:

    The behavior of our government is no longer of interest to about 90% of the American population. They know that what they think doesn’t matter. Many of them know that what they have been seeing and hearing in the media is nothing but a pack of lies. They know that politicians are bought and paid for. They know that educators, the intelligentsia, politicians, journalists, lawyers and judges couldn’t care less about truth and justice, much less about the rest of us.

    There is no great battle for the soul of the people going on in the U.S. and most Western nations because the people have tuned out, leaving only a small percentage to obsess over such things.

    I understand how they feel. At this point I don’t care who Baghdadi was, whether he was really killed, how he was killed, or how our politicians talk about killing him. There is no way that I can personally determine the truth about him, and I certainly wouldn’t expect the MSM to reveal the truth if they knew it. I already know what matters — that our country has been run by a bunch of crooks and liars from the very beginning. And there is no reforming it. The people of America, on the other hand, are overall pretty decent.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. Svevlad says:

    Imma be honest with you chief – the world would be better off if Osama was alive and GM dead. Albeit Osama died way back in 2001 anyway

    • Troll: TTSSYF
  21. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @zimriel

    Sone one told that “God put Bush on earth to be President. Look he did not win the election but he became because our God was better than the God of Islam “ : Gen Boykin .
    How many did Boykin kill ?
    AND HOW MANY HIS GOD DESIGNATED PRESIDENT KILL?

    God told me to smite Saddam I did. – George Bush Jr-the Evango alcoholic . How many did he kill, rape, maim torture? Millions. Get the idea .

    Graham : Wearte sending millions of bible to Jordan to redeem the soul of Iraqis I prayed with President for the success of his mission. — How many did Graham kill? Millions.

    70% church goers supported Iraq war. How many did they kill ? Millions. How many of them vote to re elect when the lies were obvious? Majority of them ,

    Blair- My cons science is clear . God is on my side. He guided me in those dark hours.
    How deep was the darkness that he made the world even,lope with ? Black hole of morality conscience and and justice.

    Now you get it!

    Vietnamese can’t. Germans couldn’t Russian couldn’t . American natives or African slaves couldn’t. El Salvadoran and Guatmalan couldn’t.

    But the resistance – shia and Sunni They did . They made the defeat of the anglo basatards possible . They have hastened the death and demise of an ugly cult known as western civilization. ISIS the trophy that Bush Jr with Chneey would carry to their graves was created by the forces that we call Christianity of AngloZionist complex.

  22. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Rall was never a supporter of Obama. Read his book, “The Book of Obama.” There’s this moronic knee-jerk reaction that if someone is criticizing Trump one must be a Dem or Hillary supporter.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @TTSSYF
  23. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jax

    house negro ( white, brown, sand ,black nigger ) is no longer house bound and no longer chained to their ankles . They are out in the front . They have broken the glass ceilings. They rise to the top. Look at the MbS of Saudi Arab ,Bolsarno of Brazil,Sissi of Egypt, new leaders of Haiti and Honduras, Macron, Modi of India. Ghani in kabul. The lists goes on expanding . In USA, it is not possible or useful to have final say from one person. You have to break the ceiling for each and every congressperson and senator, each and every cabinet member. Look at Bolton and Pomeo,

  24. Truth3 says:

    The US Government has been killing people far outside the law for over 200 years.

    Why should anyone be surprised?

    Since the Jews took over, the victims are almost totally Muslim.

    Lots of TRUTH in seeing that Jews are the 99% controllers of the USG.

  25. TTSSYF says:
    @HEREDOT

    Islam considers photography to be haram. There is no sense in riling up the Islamic world who supported us in this mission with publishing their photos in death.

    My question is, why isn’t Rall more appalled at the response of the Left in Britain when Margaret Thatcher died, when they publicly were cheering that the “Wicked witch is dead!”, or when the Left in this country was gloating over Reagan’s Alzheimer’s and subsequent death, than he is at the death of an inbred terrorist nutcase?

    The political Left are disgusting.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Iris
  26. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    Was this guy killed to prevent his capture by the Syrian- Russian forces? The rebel held area is Idlib on the north western corner of Syria where he had been hiding . He was killed in a cave of Idlib. We remember the media hype about OBL being protected by Pakistan . That argument has been used to drone to sanction to denounce Pakistan since 2011 . That has not stopped .

    Lavrov is hinting at something more that just engaging in the political hyperbole when he asserts that ISIS was spawned by USA.

  27. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    Its sad that Margaret Thatcher was not tried in court and guillotined for her deceptive lying dishonest roles in 1991 Iraq war procured to a large extent by the pressures of jewish members of her government.

    • Troll: TTSSYF
  28. Realist says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Perhaps, but Obumboy (or you Mr. Rall) didn’t seem to get his knickers in a twist with the illegal take down of Libya and Killary cackling “We came, we saw, he died,”.

    Oh I did. Hillary is a goddamn, subhuman bitch. And I equated both Trump and Hillary grandstanding over the killing ‘triumph’…which neither participated in.

  29. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    There’s this moronic knee-jerk reaction that if someone is criticizing Trump one must be a Dem or Hillary supporter.

    Exactly.

  30. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    When one synthesizes the data ,gathers the foreknowledge of the chaos and dismissal of the concerns with desires to modify ME, one comes to conclusion that ISIS was the desired goal of the PNAC crowd.- Joe Liberman ,Kagan,Kristol Podohoretz Goldberg and Sharon +Netanyahu + the Zionisst of all shapes

    “In their eyes, Iraq is just the starting point – or, as a recent presentation at the Pentagon put it, “the tactical pivot” – for re-moulding the Middle East on Israeli-American lines.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/03/worlddispatch.iraq

    ttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/world/middleeast/17bremer.html

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-deciders/comment-page-1/-The Deciders The disastrous Iraq policies that led to ISIS were not President Bush’s.By JOHN HAY • October 27, 2015
    http://takimag.com/article/the_kissinger_connection/print#axzz4Qkal0TAJ The Kissinger Connectionby Patrick Foy May 03, 2007

    THE IRAQ WAR: BUSH’S BIGGEST BLUNDER BY DAVID C. GOMPERT , HANS BINNENDIJK , AND BONNY LIN ON 12/25/14 AT 10:26 AM

    Did prewar assessments vastly understate the difficulty and cost of occupation? That’s because the war party didn’t want to hear anything that might raise doubts about the rush to invade. Indeed, the Army’s chief of staff was effectively fired for questioning claims that the occupation phase would be cheap and easy. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/opinion/paul-krugman-errors-and-lies.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/03/worlddispatch.iraq
    “In a televised speech last week, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt predicted devastating consequences for the Middle East if Iraq is attacked.
    “We fear a state of disorder and chaos may prevail in the region,” he said. “

    At the outset of the Iraq War, Kristol called predictors of Shia-Sunni strife purveyors of “pop sociology “,insisting, “Iraq’s always been secular” and that a US invasion would spread “the principles of liberty and justice in the Islamic world .” -Eric Alterman in The Nation February 12,2007 . Kristolizing the (Neoconservative )Moment

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @anon
  31. TTSSYF says:
    @Anonymous

    There also was this moronic knee-jerk reaction that if someone criticized Obama, that person was a racist. Today, there is this moronic knee-jerk reaction that if someone voted for Trump, that person must be a racist and xenophobe. This country has no shortage of jerks.

  32. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The first factor was an effort by a group of neoconservatives in and out of government to seek opportunity in danger. They saw an opportunity to rid the Middle East of a dangerous dictator and create a new democratic model for the region

    A week after the attack, Wolfowitz began sending memos to Rumsfeld making the case for an attack on Iraq

    Even before the inauguration, Cheney asked outgoing Secretary of Defense William Cohen to provide Bush with a briefing focused on Iraq. Wolfowitz was pushing for military seizure of Iraq’s oil fields, which Secretary of State Colin Powell is reported to have called “lunacy.”

    In considering war on Iraq, the sibling of danger was opportunity.17 Some of the neoconservatives around Wolfowitz had held mid-level jobs in the administration of George H. W. Bush. They had seen efforts at regime change work when the United States invaded Panama to topple Manuel Noriega in 1989, when Eastern Europeans cast communism aside that same year, when the Soviet Union itself collapsed in 1991

    CIA threat briefings concentrated on al Qaeda, not Iraq,8 though efforts to have the new administration deal with al Qaeda failed.

    The CIA had missed several indications that might have given specific warning about the September 11 attack

    Bush, Wolfowitz and others thought that Iraq might be behind the attacks.11 So did a large majority of the American people, a belief reinforced by the speculation of administration officials.

    Well before the September 11 attacks, officials at the Pentagon, led by Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, quietly began to consider military options against Saddam.

    THE IRAQ WAR: BUSH’S BIGGEST BLUNDER
    By David C. Gompert , Hans Binnendijk and Bonny Lin On 12/25/14
    Newsweek

    • Replies: @Iris
  33. Iris says:
    @TTSSYF

    Islam considers photography to be haram. There is no sense in riling up the Islamic world who supported us in this mission with publishing their photos in death.

    Rubbish.

    What Islamic faith considers a sin is the anthropomorphological representation of God or of Prophet Muhammad, as a clean cut from polytheistic Ancient Arabia religious practices and as an affirmation of strict monotheism.

    There is no Muslim rule whatsoever that forbids picturing dead people: it is just universal human decency that Muslims respect, too. And that the US army did NOT respect when they allowed the publishing photos and videos of Qusay and Uday Hussein’s mutilated bodies, the hanging and cadaver of Saddam Hussein.

    An the “burial at sea” alleged practice is a complete invention.

    The ZOG and its army has long come out of basic human civilisation: most Americans just don’t realise it, but everybody else does. This is what this article is pointing at.

    • LOL: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @TTSSYF
  34. Iris says:
    @anon

    They saw an opportunity to rid the Middle East of a dangerous dictator and create a new democratic model for the region.

    Not quite. They saw an opportunity towards establishing the Greater Israel and a means to divert Iraq’s oil resource towards the parasitic Israeli Leper State.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Richard P
  35. TTSSYF says:
    @Iris

    Question
    ASSALAMALEIKUM
    My question is : IS the taking of PHOTOGRAPHS ALLOWED,(I know drawing pictures of living things is not allowed -but what about taking photograph’s of people etc.), can you supply me with some evidence please. I need this information quickly.- Inshallah.
    Jaazakala hair.

    Answer
    Praise be to Allaah.

    Photography (tasweer) means the taking of pictures of living, animate moving beings, like people, animals, birds, etc. The ruling is that it is forbidden on the basis of a number of reports, such as the following:

    ‘Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Those who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).

    Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah, may He be exalted, says: ‘Who does more wrong than the one who tries to create something like My creation? Let him create a grain of wheat or a kernel of corn.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see Fath al-Baari, 10/385).

    ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it.” (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa’i; this is the version narrated by al-Nisaa’i).

    Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him and his father) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every image-maker will be in the Fire, and for every image that he made a soul will be created for him, which will be punished in the Fire.” Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “If you must do that, make pictures of trees and other inanimate objects.” (Reported by Muslim, 3/1871)

    These ahaadeeth indicate that pictures of animate beings are haraam, whether they are humans or other creatures, whether they are three-dimensional or two-dimensional, whether they are printed, drawn, etched, engraved, carved, cast in moulds, etc. These ahaadeeth include all of these types of pictures.

    The Muslim should submit to the teachings of Islam and not argue with them by saying, “But I am not worshipping them or prostrating to them!” If we think about just one aspect of the evil caused by the prevalence of photographs and pictures in our times, we will understand something of the wisdom behind this prohibition: that aspect is the great corruption caused by the provoking of physical desires and subsequent spread of immorality caused by these pictures.

    The Muslim should not keep any pictures of animate beings in his house, because they will prevent the angels from entering. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or pictures.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/380).
    But nowadays, unfortunately, one can even find in some Muslim homes statues of gods worshipped by the kuffaar (such as Buddha etc.) which they keep on the basis that they are antiques or decorative pieces. These things are more strictly prohibited than others, just as pictures which are hung up are worse than pictures which are not hung up, for how easily they can lead to glorification, and cause grief or be a source of boasting! We cannot say that these pictures are kept for memory’s sake, because true memories of a Muslim relative or friend reside in the heart, and we remember them by praying for mercy and forgiveness for them.

    Taking pictures with a camera involves human actions such as focusing, pressing the shutter, developing, printing, and so on. We cannot call it anything other than “picture-making” or tasweer, which is the expression used by all Arabic-speakers to describe this action.

    In the book Al-I’laam bi naqd kitaab al-halaal wa’l-haraam, the author says: “Photography is even more of an imitation of the creation of Allaah than pictures which are engraved or drawn, so it is even more deserving of being prohibited There is nothing that could exclude photography from the general meaning of the reports.” (p. 42, see also Fataawa Islamiyyah, 4/355).

    • LOL: Iris
  36. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    I agree with you. There are a few golden nuggets in this article but beyond the obvious that is known to anyone with mid brain level functioning intact ,there are cliché shibboleth and platitude dancing around with a contrite face . Idea is that Saddam was bad and war was necessary but executed on wrong intelligence without planning.

    Saddam was not bad No worse than any recent US president or any worse than Thatcher or Blair .. War was not based on wrong intelligence . Intelligence was supplied by the judge ( neocon ) to the prosecutors ( neocons),the jury ( same neocons ) and to the media ( where these neoocons used to argue wearing liberal, conservative nationalistic anti Islamic, pro Christian ,pro Shia, pro Arab , anti -Saddam and pro democracy hats . Make Israel Great was etched inside those hats .

    No planning for postwar was allowed by these Zionist .
    Kissinger Connection in Taki ‘s magazine says it all

  37. Iris says:

    No planning for postwar was allowed by these Zionist .

    Exactly, because chaos and war in the Middle East were always the endgame, as a means to destroy secular Arab nation-states and bring about the Great Israel geopolitical construction.

    Back in 2011 , during the Zio-NATO war on Libya, Arab analysts were already predicting an efflorescence of “radical Islamist” terrorist movements that would wreck havoc in the region, undermine Israel’s enemies and make her look like the only sane regional force.

    It was reported that Hosni Mubarak had refused to host training camps for such Wahhabi foreign legions on Egyptian soil, aimed at Syria and Iran, and got punished and deposited by a well-organised “Arab Spring”.

    WW1, WW2, and now a WW3 in all but name taking place in the Middle-East: Israel’s adversaries get annihilated, the military powers leading the charge on her behalf change, but the obvious main long-term beneficiary does not.

  38. L.K says:

    The Killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: Illegal, Disgusting and Degenerate

    Not to mention IMAGINARY…

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • LOL: Iris
  39. TTSSYF says:
    @Iris

    Instead of chortling out loud, why don’t you provide some evidence that shows that Islam does not consider photography of humans to be haram? And I’m not talking pictures of the dead — just photography of humans or other living creatures.

    • Replies: @Iris
  40. Iris says:
    @TTSSYF

    The answer is simple enough: as photography wasn’t invented yet in 610 AD when Islam was revealed, it would be very difficult to anybody to argue that photography is “haram”.

    Of course, nothing is beyond the capabilities of the “enlightened” Wahhabi and Hasbara thinkers who falsify Islam on a daily basis, but that is another problem.

    In this occurrence, they are deliberately mis-interpreting an Islamic requirement not to represent human figures in a religious context, as a way to strictly affirm monotheism, and as rejection of the ancient Arabian polytheistic tradition where people used to adore statues.

    This strict rule is indeed enforced in mosques, which are always decorated with geometric figures, never with anything alluding to the human anthropomorphy. But that’s it.

    Muslims all use photographs the same we do in the West.
    The first thing that one sees when attending a Muslim funeral is photos of the defunct. As well as photos of everybody else in the family, paintings, etc ..

    They never cremate, and never bury at sea. Except, a long time ago, if somebody would die during a slow naval trip.

    They have a requirement to bury very quickly, preferably within a day, so as not to encourage the mourning: the idea is that the dead goes back to God and this must be accepted by the family.

    The whole Al-Baghdadi charade is a cock-and-bull story. Beyond basic common sense.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @Kratoklastes
  41. TTSSYF says:
    @Iris

    Yes, of course, photography did not exist in the 7th century, but Islam passes judgement on plenty of modern day practices. What does modern day Islam say about photography? Is it haram or halal? It’s a simple question. Don’t indulge in taquia — be honest…assuming you’re capable of intellectual honesty (which I doubt, based on your previous responses…and, in fact, I doubt you are American and thus hardly worth communicating with on this topic).

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Authenticjazzman
  42. Iris says:
    @TTSSYF

    I doubt you are American and thus hardly worth communicating with on this topic).

    What a ridiculous reply. Good riddance.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  43. Richard P says:
    @Curmudgeon

    At least Gaddafi had raised the standard of living and life expectancy of Libyans.

    Gaddafi was a man of the people. He contributed more to his nation than any of the Western leaders have or ever will. Western leadership is driven by capitalistic greed and Zionism. Period.

    Gaddafi’s Last Speech Censored in the West

    Never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go too long lines to get soup.

    https://europeansworldwide.wordpress.com/2019/10/06/gaddafis-last-speech-censored-in-the-west/

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was a Mossad operative. Perhaps he’s dead…or not. It doesn’t really matter. What does matter is that ISIS was created and enabled by the CIA, MI6 and Mossad in an illegal effort to overthrow Assad, a man who’s been a protector of Christians from being eradicated by Western interventionism.

  44. Richard P says:
    @Iris

    It’s all part of the Yinon Plan. Israel commits genocide by sniping Christian kids in Gaza without recourse from Washington.

    You can see many pictures of the aforementioned atrocities inflicted against the innocent by IDF snipers at the link below:

    Israeli Soldier Gives 74-Year-Old Palestinian Woman Water Then Shoots Her In The Head

    https://cufpa.wordpress.com/author/cufpa/

  45. TTSSYF says:
    @Iris

    You may be a U.S. citizen, but you don’t come across as American but instead as a rabid Israel hater and Islamophile. And you provide no evidence that photography of living creatures is not haram but instead merely run from the question with an airy dismissal.

    The interpretation of the Koran and “guidance” posted by imams when answering questions from Muslims constitutes gaslighting of the highest order, holding its members in check by utter fear of anything that deviates from the robotic life and thought of what they say is a “good” Muslim. Islam is an international men’s club, a socio-political system that is 180 degrees at odds with Western society and that feeds its blood-thirsty members with such directives such as “slay the infidel wherever you find him” and orders the non-Muslim to “convert, become a second-class citizen (dhimmi), or die”. Islam needs to be vanquished from the earth. As with small pox, we can keep two Korans frozen in liquid nitrogen in case we need to thaw them out and respond to any new outbreaks with political antibiotics.

    • Replies: @Iris
  46. Iris says:
    @TTSSYF

    Spoken like a true Hasbara psychopath.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  47. TTSSYF says:
    @Iris

    “Hasbara psychopath”? Someone’s got some barely suppressed anger.

    We likely would disagree on who carried out 9/11, but one thing I’m pretty certain of: It wasn’t plotted or carried out by anyone of my heritage or religious affiliation, and those who did do it can fairly be labeled psychopaths…not me, who is merely expressing an opinion and lack of respect for a 7th century religion that allows men to treat women as no more than chattel and whose adherents routinely are cruel to dogs and have to ask an iman about the proper way to chew and swallow.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Kratoklastes
  48. L.K says:
    @TTSSYF

    9/11 Was an Israeli Job
    How America was neoconned into World War IV
    by LAURENT GUYÉNOT
    http://www.unz.com/article/911-was-an-israeli-job/

    As for ISIS, it was created by the US and its Allies in their proxy war against Syria.

    This is solidly backed by a declassified 2012 DIA( Defense Intelligence Agency) document;
    https://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/

    Astoundingly, the newly declassified report states that for “THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.

    The DIA report, formerly classified “SECRET//NOFORN” and dated August 12, 2012, was circulated widely among various government agencies, including CENTCOM, the CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA, State Dept., and many others.

  49. @Iris

    The answer is simple enough: as photography wasn’t invented yet in 610 AD when Islam was revealed, it would be very difficult to anybody to argue that photography is “haram”.

    How interesting.

    That must mean that Ultra-orthodox (the Haredim, especially – the likes of Chabad) are even bigger fuckwits than it seems at first impression (which itself is pretty bad, with that whole “tie a box to your head and rock like a mental patient” schtick)

    Those guys are not permitted to answer the phone, drive a car, operate machinery or computers, or a host of other things – from dusk on Friday afternoon. Fucking dummies – maybe they think that Moses invented the iPhone.

    The Amish don’t use power tools, or drive SUVs, or invest in hedge funds, either.

    Stupid bastards – don’t they realise that your ‘simple[ton]’ answer clearly furnishes a perfect theological argument?

  50. @TTSSYF

    expressing an opinion and lack of respect for a 7th century religion that allows men to treat women as no more than chattel

    Maybe you ought to have a look at your co-religionists a bit more closely, habibi.

    Take your daughter (or a close female relative) to where the Satmar whackjobs congregate (e.g., Beit Shemesh), and have her wear pants or ‘dress immodestly’ (in the view of some backward fuckwit who is half a generation out of a hovel in Lithuania).

    There have been abundabtstories about young girls (8 and up) being spat on and harassed by Haredi arseholes in various places.

    Maybe getting spat on by whackjobs is a mitzvah.

    Oh, and the whole “child sex ring” thing – another thing that the Haredim can’t get enough of:

    https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/a-haven-for-paedophiles-the-ultra-orthodox-settlement-where-malka-leifer-hides-20180612-p4zkx4.html

    A fictional bloke once made a cryptic remark about looking to the beam in your own eye rather than being preoccupied with the mote in your neighbours’ eye. Like a lot of fictional characters, his creators have him talk in stupid fucking riddles so that his shit can be taken to mean anything, but I think what he as getting at is that it’s best to have your own house in order before casting nastertiums (HA!) at others.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  51. TTSSYF says:
    @Kratoklastes

    It’s amusing how you and others are so convinced that I’m Jewish. I’m about as far from Jewish as anyone can be (mostly Scottish, raised Southern Baptist, agnostic since college). And despite my own shortcomings, I will continue to express how much I despise a 7th-century politico-religious system. It is my opinion that no good will come from letting more and more Muslims into the U.S. But, lest you think I lack intellectual consistency, I don’t care much for any organized religion, including the Haredi (although I’ll admit, I know very little about them as I’ve never encountered any in my day-to-day life, as I have practicing Muslims).

  52. @TTSSYF

    ” I doubt you are American”

    You are right as she is a crazy German know-it-all, a rabid leftist deutsche “Besserwisserin”, and of course we all know that the Germans are right about everything and the Americans along with the rest of the world are always wrong about everything : ” Am deutschem Wesen soll die Welt genesen”.

    Germany a madhouse and major source of evil starting with communism (yeah I know Marx was a Jew), then on to Heroin, and then on to neurotic authority worship, and then on to Bauhaus, Psychology, (okay Freud was Austrian), Antifa, the lunatic “Grün” movement, and now the obligation to hate privately owned automoblies. the list goes on and on.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS the implementation of German authority worship is one of the main causes for the dire situation in the US today, as parents of untold numbers of brainwashed students were simply terrified at the thought of questioning the teachers and perfessers as to what the hell they are doing to their kids.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  53. TTSSYF says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Americans don’t say “Rubbish.” And I don’t think Iris is a woman. It’s mostly European or Australian men who use that term, in my experience.

    • Replies: @Iris
  54. Iris says:
    @TTSSYF

    Your duo with “Authenticjazzmen” is such a fitting match: you are both a sandwich short of a picnic.

    You two should get married. That would be a first on the UR, and you would get noticed at last, albeit not for the right reason. You’re an idiot, bless you.

  55. Calvin says:

    You’re right Ted. Trumps just saying what Obama was too much of a pussy to say. Trumps just the natural conclusions to empire. You need to enjoy it for its natural beauty. Just think how fucked we’d be if we had to continue the charade with Hitlery? The lack of pretense is the scab that needed to be picked. The bloody sore exposed.

  56. Fuck Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He is no better than his pretend murderers. It’s the murder by imperial aggression of the nameless innocents in their thousands that should concern decent humans, if any, throughout the world.

  57. buckwheat says:

    Who’s your daddy now muthafucka? This lets terrorists know that no matter how long it takes you WILL pay with your life. Trying living with that little nugget of info……..

  58. @Iris

    “Am deutschen Wesen soll die welt genesen”

    Die grossmaulige stupiden Deutschen Besserwisser sollen endlich ruhig sein , sie haben genug Unheil mit ihrer unsäglichen Besserwisserei für die nächsten tausend Jahren angerichtet.

    Translated : The big-mouth know-it-all stupid Krauts should just shut up, they have caused enough damage with their petulant know-it-all attitude for the next thousand years.

    AJM

  59. Hey LK; I consider it an honor to be labeled as a Troll by an idiot such as yourself.

    AJM

    • Replies: @L.K
  60. L.K says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Hello numbnuts!

    You wish it were only me, your problem is that every thinking person who has had the displeasure of dealing with your disgusting person here at Unz knows fully well you are a TROLL and also a total IDIOT.
    Both of us know that!
    Now, now, go back to your bag of dicks.

    P.S: Your envy of all things German has become all too apparent. So sad.

  61. TTSSYF says:
    @Iris

    An entire picnic and only two sandwiches missing?

    More proof that you’re not American.

  62. Herald says:
    @buckwheat

    You got it half right. However, Ted Rall simply told us what we all know, except of course those poor souls who can’t see past their own cognitive dissonance.

  63. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    The jihadis that crashed the jets into the twin towers no doubt thought their actions were justified too.

    It’s not unexpected at all, that someone raising doubts on things nearly everyone believes in should mention the “jihadis” did the 9-11 attack as an undisputable reality. If one knows a little psychology, it is not unexpected at all.

    It is also not unexpected that you haven’t posted a reasoning like the one you posted here to every column in this site, a site where every columnist believes in (a) morality.

    Let’s say you are healthily, very healthily!, sure when being sure is the best choice for you, and inquisitive/doubtful when being so is the best choice for you.

  64. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    Authenticjazzman is married, to put it kindly, to his MENSA certificate, and he doesn’t look like he’s going to consider polygamy.

  65. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:

    In fact, Colin Powell admitted to associates that the evidence he presented in a ballyhooed speech to the United Nations was “bull——.”

    What a strange coincidence. It has been just a couple hours since I watched, Official Secrets, in the comfort of my home.

    It was not just a few times when I kept pointing at the screen, and muttering, “mofing evil whitrash.”

  66. Mike-SMO says:

    Just a lot of babble justifying prior opinions.

    al_Baghdadi commited suicide. The children with him were either hostages or trophies like the Bacci Bazzi (sp?) “dancing boys” in Afghanistan. that are dressed as girls and used for the sexual pleasure of the “victors”. It is their way of “war”.

    Baghdadi knew what was coming if he was turned over to Syria or most Muslims. “Payback” was going to be nasty.

    He already “knew” that he had been betrayed when the helos and dogs appeared. That is how the game is played. al_Baghdadi’s pleasure palace was surrounded by Turks, Sunni jihadists, Russians and Syrians. There was no warning or help and he knew none was coming.

    The rump of ISIS, al_Qaeda, and al Nusra etc made a deal for their own survival.

    I wondered what was going to happen to all the nasty Sunnis that were being assembled next to the Turkish border. The Turks didn’t want Arab malcontents. Syria didn’t want to pay the price in blood to eliminate the jihadi pocket. Russia is still trying to “play nice” and not resort to their specialty of massed artillery and air attacks. It was all worked out in advance, but al_Bagdadi didn’t like the part he was given. So sad.

  67. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eric135

    The people of America, on the other hand, are overall pretty decent.

    Rofl!! Keep telling yourself that. Self-delusion can be cathartic… for while anyway.

Current Commenter
says:

Leave a Reply - Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All Ted Rall Comments via RSS