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Note: Contains Spoilers

One of the great things about Heath Ledger’s Joker in Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight is that he does not have an origin story. Or, actually, he tells two contradictory origin stories, neither of them probably true. But the police can’t find a single shred of information on his real identity: who he was, where he came from, and how he got those scars.

Todd Phillips’ much-anticipated new film Joker is an origin story starring Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck, who becomes the Joker. Frankly, both of Ledger’s origin stories are more interesting.

The question on everybody’s mind is: How does Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker compare to Heath Ledger’s? The answer is: There is no comparison. Phoenix’s Joker isn’t even as good as Jared Leto’s in Suicide Squad. There is no question that Phoenix is a fine actor, but the character he brings to life simply isn’t compelling. He’s just a repulsive loser.

Traditionally, the character of the Joker has drawn upon the Romantic idea that madness can be entwined with genius, charisma, psychological depth, and creativity. Phoenix’s Joker is much closer to the sad truth: The vast majority of crazy people are not deep, creative, or interesting. They are just pathetic, shambling, vacant defectives who repeatedly betray and disappoint the people who are unfortunate enough to love or take care of them.

Ledger’s Joker has a Nietzschean and Heideggerian philosophy, which he articulates with striking words and deeds. Phoenix’s Joker doesn’t have a nihilistic philosophy. He’s just a depressive. When we first see him, he is holding a sign reading “Everything Must Go.” Yeah, it’s for a going out of business sale, but it’s also symbolic. Phoenix’s Joker does not “stand for” nihilism as a worldview. As he says later on, he doesn’t stand for anything. He has no worldview. He’s just a tortured soul, and a banal one at that.

All the other Jokers—Ledger, Leto, Nicholson, even Cesar Romero, ferchrissakes—have some charisma. They are commanding presences. Phoenix’s Joker has no charisma at all. He’s a physically repulsive stick insect of a man: unkempt, unhealthy, and slightly effeminate, reeking of cigarettes and low self-esteem. You’d want to squash him like a bug, if you’d deign to notice him at all.

There are a few flashes of a steely-eyed social competence when Arthur rehearses his appearance on the Murray Franklin Show, but it went nowhere, so it struck me as breaking character.

Ledger’s Joker launched a million memes, both because of his character and his lines. Phoenix’s Joker will have no such influence. He’s a pathetic nobody with nothing to say.

Judging from the technology and social trends, Joker is set in the early 1980s: There are no desktop computers or cell phones. Dem programs are being cut for the mentally ill, and drunken Wall Street yupsters are an annoyance on the subway.

Arthur Fleck lives with his mother Penny Fleck, who seems to be bedridden. Arthur brings in money as a clown, but he’s not that funny. Arthur suffers from mental health problems. He has been committed, he sees a counselor, and he is taking seven different medications. But because of budget cuts, the counselor and drugs are disappearing, and commitment will probably not be an option either. Soon there will be only the street.

Arthur is beaten up by some “teens” (read: brown people) so one of his colleagues at the clown agency (surely there must be clown agencies, right?) gives him a revolver for protection. When the gun falls on the floor during one of Arthur’s clown shows in a children’s cancer ward, he is fired.

Then, still wearing his clown makeup, Arthur is roughed up by some black hoodlums on a night train, pulls out his gun, and shoots them dead. No, wait, that was Bernard Goetz. Arthur was harassed by Wall Street yuppies and shoots three Patrick Batemans dead with seven bullets from what appears to be a .22 pistol (but who’s counting?).

This inspires a Leftist uprising of black and brown people—and some white dirtbags—who begin to wear clown masks to show how sick and tired they are of being terrorized by stockbrokers on the subway.

Oh, and Billionaire Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen), who is going to run for Mayor of Gotham, says that people like him, who have made something of their lives, think that all of life’s losers look like clowns. Of course there is only one politician in America today who would say something so unpolitic. Is he supposed to be Donald Trump?

At this point, given the obvious anti-white, Bolshevik slant here, perhaps I should mention that director Todd Phillips and his co-screenwriter Scott Silver are both Jewish. However, to their credit, the entire film is not cast against type. Arthur is first assaulted by non-whites, and sullen black women play prominent unsympathetic roles, subtly underscoring that Arthur’s alienation is in part that of a poor white man in a society in which the lower classes and those who provide services to them are increasingly non-white.

As much as I feared that Arthur Fleck was going to be turned into a sympathetic victim, it is really impossible to like him. When Arthur learns that his mother believes Thomas Wayne is his father, he goes to the Wayne estate to talk to Thomas Wayne and ends up physically assaulting Alfred Pennyworth in front of young Bruce Wayne.

Then he stalks and confronts Thomas Wayne. Wayne explains that he never had sex with Penny Fleck, that Arthur was in any case adopted, and that she was committed to Arkham state hospital for mental illness and also for endangering Arthur. When Arthur steals his mother’s file from Arkham and confirms Wayne’s story, he does not apologize to Wayne. Instead he smothers his mother with a pillow.

Arthur also savagely murders the colleague who gave him the gun. I found this scene so distasteful that I almost walked out. But then I thought of my duty to you, dear reader, and stayed to the end.

One of the obvious influences on Joker is Martin Scorsese’s The King of Comedy (1983), a dark comic masterpiece that almost reaches Fawlty Towers levels of pure cringe. Robert De Niro plays Rupert Pupkin, a deranged man who wants to be a standup comic and is obsessed with successful comedian and talk-show host Jerry Langford (brilliantly played by Jerry Lewis).

Like Rupert, Arthur lives with his mother (although there is some suggestion that Rupert’s mother is dead and that, like Norman Bates, he has only an imaginary relationship with her).

Both Rupert and Arthur have imaginary relationships with talk-show hosts whom they eventually meet in real life. In Arthur’s case the host is Murray Franklin who, to tighten the connection between the films, is played by Robert De Niro.

Yet another connection is that both Rupert and Arthur have black romantic interests. When white men date non-whites, the natural presumption is that they are dating down out of insecurity, which makes sense given that both characters are losers. (In De Niro’s case, he actually had a child with Diahnne Abbot, the actress who plays his love interest. De Niro has fathered five children with three black women. One could be considered an accident, etc.) In Arthur’s case, his relationship with his neighbor, single mother Sophie Dumond, is imaginary.

Both movies also have a cartoonish scene in which we see Rupert and Arthur from a distance chased back and forth by security personnel.

The climax of Joker is when Murray Franklin invites Arthur on his show. At this point, Arthur is wearing clown makeup and wishes to be introduced simply as “Joker.” This is Arthur’s big break, but he is not interested in actually entertaining anyone. In truth, he lacks both the talent and the interest. Arthur’s laughter is merely a syndrome, a mechanical tic, unconnected to a sense of humor. The only laughs he gets on the show are by being socially awkward.

Arthur is entirely absorbed in self-pity. He confesses to killing the three yuppies, and claims to find it funny. Murray Franklin is appalled but challenges him to defend himself. Heath Ledger’s Joker could have said something interesting and plausible. But this Joker has only inarticulate bitterness and rage. Then he shoots Franklin in the head and shambles away, allowing himself to be taken into custody.

The Dead Christ and Three Mourners, by Andrea Mantegna
The Dead Christ and Three Mourners, by Andrea Mantegna

The dénouement of the film takes place in the immediate aftermath of the Joker’s arrest. The Leftist clown mask protests have turned into city-wide rioting. The police car transporting the Joker to jail is rammed by an ambulance driven by a clown protester. The injured Joker is lifted from the back seat and laid on the hood of the police car in a pose clearly drawn from Andrea Mantegna’s The Dead Christ and Three Mourners. Then the Joker/Christ regains consciousness/resurrects, stands up on the hood of the car, and draws a smile on his face with his own blood to the acclaim of the crowd. Our savior.

The movie ends, however, with the Joker in Arkham, explaining himself to another unsympathetic black social worker, then dancing down a sterile hallway, leaving bloody footprints, followed in cartoonish pursuit by orderlies.

But the last half of the movie might actually be one of Arthur’s fantasies, because at one point, Arthur empties out his mother’s refrigerator, climbs inside, and closes the door. Can people open refrigerators from the inside? Is the whole latter half of the movie a dying man’s fantasy? Is this another giant jerk-job like Lost? Is the joke on us, the audience?

I pray there is no sequel.

As a purely technical achievement, I would rate Joker 9/10. It is well-acted, well-directed, and well-paced. The urban settings are utterly hellish. The music by Icelandic composer Hildur Guðnadóttir is highly effective.

But as a compelling story, I would rate Joker 6/10. What is this movie, exactly? It is no superhero or supervillain movie in any conventional sense. Nor it is an unconventional one like M. Night Shyamalan’s Unbreakable. Is it supposed to be a psychological thriller? If so, it is not thrilling. Is it supposed to be a dark comedy? It is not that funny. Is it supposed to be social satire? If so, it is entirely lame and conventional.

Joker is a boring movie about a disgusting loser. Although there’s no accounting for taste or madness, I think those who fear Joker will incite incels to go on shooting sprees are wrong. I’m betting that the most savage thing Joker inspires is this review.

 
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  1. It’s all good fun until somebody gets hurt, then it’s hilarious.

  2. A savage review, indeed.
    Worst thing about this review: seems utterly plausible.

    • Agree: Ash Williams
    • Replies: @Wally
  3. Hail says: • Website

    They say the movie took place circa 1980, but remembering that this is a fantasy world, looking past the technology on display may be in order. The “1980s” timing fits with the obvious allusion to the subway scene in which Arthur Fleck kills the three “Yuppies,” an obvious allusion to the Bernie Goetz case (Dec. 1984; trial ended June 1987). This Goetz reference fits with director Todd Phillips’ age (wiki has him born in “1969 or 1970”)

    But in more important ways, political conditions depicted in the movie as whole are a lot more like a Jewish-fantasy version of the 1920s or 1930s. We see a haughty WASP elite openly contemptuous of the people. We a society with economic problems and ripe for communist revolution, which occurs in the form of the Joker Mask movement.

    Where are the Jews in Todd Phillips’ Gotham? There is one scene at a comedy club in which we see Arthur Fleck incoherently taking notes on how to be a comedian. A Jewish stand-up comedian is getting a lot of laughs and says something to the effect that he had to leave a certain place because Jews were not allowed to enroll at a a particular university. Jews as outsiders, marginalized, struggling against powers above them.

    Then we have Arthur Fleck himself. The surname they assigned this character, Fleck, is Jewish. (US musician Bela Fleck is Jewish; one can find many examples of Jewish Flecks in a wiki search.) Not sure what to make of that.

  4. Hail says: • Website

    Trevor Lynch wrote:

    Is it supposed to be social satire?

    Hunter Wallace on Joker:

    Joker is the story of one man’s descent into madness and violence which is caused by our current social order – liberal democracy and free-market capitalism. Arthur Fleck lives in the wreckage of the world that liberalism has created after it has destroyed the social fabric.

    I think of [Arthur Fleck in Joker] as being a kind of avatar for the absurd world we live in. He’s a cautionary tale, not a role model.

    Hunte Wallace also highlights a Joker producer who has apparently said Joker is as a “mirror to our society.” HW then adds:

    The Joker is a product of…the severe cultural disintegration and the mental illness and nihilism it causes in urban areas in advanced liberal societies.

    • Agree: Dennis Gannon
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  5. Smith says:

    Just watch it.

    It’s really not good, the rage is uncontrolled and unfocus, so it comes out as temper tantrum or anything.

    Taxi Driver is better. It has some good jokes though.

    Again, throwing temper tantrum and wanting shit burn instead of finding solution means nothing, this movie feels like Greta Thunberg’s screaming to me, but with better jokes and music.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @Richard P
  6. “Can people open refrigerators from the inside?”

    Yes, as Obama might say, you can. The ‘fridge companies figured out that the whole “dead kid in icebox” thing was bad for business, so modern ‘fridges can be kicked open from inside, with that rubber thing providing a seal. The old time ones had clamping sort of locks on the handles to seal, hence the danger. You’ll see that with big ice box rooms, like the one in The Shining; that’s why Jack needs the ghosts to open it.

    Of course, it’s not clear what the time period of the film is, so maybe not.

    • Replies: @Trevor Lynch
    , @Bill Jones
  7. Read an online review from the WashPo (accidentally, was on Alaska times or something), and I see the narrative developing: This is going to be cast as part of the “dangerous” and “psychotic” Incel culture, which will then be conflated and expanded to all white men. The whole thing with danger at the theaters and all that (including a potential false flag) is part of a steamrolling narrative of placing white men, and more broadly, whites, as villains. Slowly, all the positive characters of whiteness are being whitewashed (replaced, e.g James Bond, other superheroes), and movies like this will have the remaining characters be the bad guy.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Trevor Lynch
  8. @James J. O'Meara

    Setting is early 1980s, but everything in the apartment looks much older.

    • Replies: @Fredrika
    , @Lurker
    , @Buck Ransom
  9. @OscarWildeLoveChild

    There’s nothing particularly Incel about this movie.

    Arthur Fleck is no supreme gentleman. He’s a psycho off his meds. He has bigger problems than being unable to get a woman.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  10. @Hail

    Yikes! This new Joker sounds like Lenny Bruce with make-up on: another whiny, unfunny Jewish loser. I’ll pass, thank you very much.

  11. @Digital Samizdat

    … on the other hand, Andrew Anglin seems to love the movie, even though he acknowledges its shortcomings. So maybe it’s worth a look-see after all:

    https://dailystormer.name/stormer-movie-review-joker-10-10-spoiler-free/

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  12. LG says:

    https://dailystormer.name/stormer-movie-review-joker-10-10-spoiler-free/

    Andy Wanglin’s take is worth reading as well. After watching the movie I tend to agree with the assessment of Lynch more than Wanglin. Having said that, if the film is watched through the lens of social commentary on the demonization of whites rather than just a film about a crazy man, the value and ranking of the Joker goes up.

  13. Amon says:

    I guess someone missed the big reveal that this is not a movie about the Joker.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/todd-philips-joker-is-real-movie-disguised-as-comic-book-film/ar-AAHW6sy

    That’s right, the produces lied and simply said they were doing a Joker movie so they could make a real movie, with a real budget.

  14. @James J. O'Meara

    And the sneakers that I’d washed because they were covered in paint stripper from the garage door kicked their way out of the tumble drier so obviously some Darwin Award winner has caused ineffective latches be de rigueur there too.

  15. At least it’s fun to speculate about what the people who went in expecting an ordinary comicbook film were thinking

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  16. @Amon

    That’s commendable, I only wish they had made something more interesting than a King of Comedy pastiche

  17. @Amon

    That’s right, the produces lied and simply said they were doing a Joker movie so they could make a real movie, with a real budget.

    Yeah, because The Dark Knight isn’t a real movie, and this hollow piece of trash is. Spare me.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Amon
  18. Batman concept.

    Man in a bat costume dukes it out with some guy with cake cream on his face.

    How did this nonsense become a cultural landmark?

    What’s next? Origin stories of Pee Wee Herman and Barney the Dinosaur?

    • Agree: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @Richard P
    , @Alden
  19. @Smith

    This movie is symptomatic of the reigning sensibility. Current culture takes Pop way too seriously and concocts a heavy and arty dramatization of a cartoonish figure.

    Nolan’s BATMAN movies were as if directed by Bergman. Who needs that about some goofy comic book tale?

    When Batman and 007 are handled as grimly as something like DUNKIRK, it makes you wonder.

  20. @Digital Samizdat

    Lenny Bruce certainly had his faults but unfunny? Read his autobiography, How To Talk Dirty And Influence People, and it’s highly likely that you will reassess your opinion.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  21. I thought the Joker’s real name is Joe Kerr. Get it Joker! Silver age comics were much better.

  22. Nicholas Fuentes loves the Joker

    • Replies: @J1234
  23. @Hail

    Depending on the context, the noun ” der Fleck” in German can mean either stain, patch (regarding color) or spot (referring to a place).

    • Replies: @Hail
  24. Richard P says:

    The Dailystormer highly recommends this movie and rated it a 10/10. Nonetheless, I have no desire to watch this pathetic film as I don’t support anything that comes out of modern Hollywood. I urge everyone here to not support Hollywood under any circumstances. Supporting Hollywood is equivalent to supporting degeneracy — which leads to societal decay.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  25. Richard P says:
    @Priss Factor

    No grown man should be reading comics or watching films that were derived from comics. Furthermore, any self-proclaimed traditionalist should boycott Marvel for obvious reasons. Comics — just as professional sports — are puerile twaddle.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Anonymousse
    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  26. @Digital Samizdat

    Andrew Anglin is just the secretary of corrupt jewish nutcase Weev helping run his personal blog to degrade shiksas and foment rightist infighting.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  27. @Hail

    Interesting.

    Liberal director from an urban area that the liberals run, in a country that the liberals ran and quite possibly still do, in which liberals have a standard deviation more income than the Whites, and two standard deviations more than the Blacks, criticizes “the severe cultural disintegration and the mental illness and nihilism it causes in urban areas in advanced liberal societies.” that the policies epitomized by this movie have brought about.

    Another “We didn’t do it, see, we’re criticizing it! Somebody else did it, they did it to the Jews also, and we’ll help you understand who did it and then help catch and destroy them! ” ploy.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Hail
  28. Wally says:
    @byrresheim

    Someone, something doesn’t like it at all.

    Joker’ Screenings Canceled in L.A. Area After ‘Credible Threat’:
    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/10/04/joker-screenings-canceled-in-l-a-area-after-credible-threat/
    exc.:
    “The FBI also reported that it was paying close attention to possible threats to theaters as the film starts its first run this month.

    “The FBI, DHS and [National Counterterrorism Center] remain concerned that the volume of threatening language may lead to lone offender violence,” the FBI said in a bulletin to law enforcement.”

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Alden
  29. Hollywood hasn’t really learned that origin stories don’t really work out all that often as sequels, especially about the bad guy. Hannibal Rising, Wolverine, Solo, etc, work more to ruining a viewer’s perception of the character. What makes a character like the Joker or Hannibal Lecter more compelling is the murkiness of their pasts. The attempts to capture those pasts mostly end in disappointment, and the scale of the character is then reduced. But hey, some Hollywood people made a few millions bucks.

    To the Joker, I haven’t seen the last two movies featuring him, and never will, but there was what, 20 years between Nicholson and Ledger, so the performances are separated by a generation and difficult to compare because the entire styling of both movies is different as is the audience. Both were outstanding in their own way and fit into the movie they were placed in perfectly.

    But within 10 years of the Dark Knight you now have two new actors attempting to play the a character where the standard of performance and also uniqueness is unrealistically high. Ledger’s performance is also recent enough that comparisons, fair or not, are inevitable. On top of that, we have Leto and Phoenix, two weirdos who take themselves way way too seriously to begin with, trying way too hard to not be overshadowed by previous performances, and leave their own lasting legacy stamped on the character (Think of Val Kilmer and George Clooney of all people attempting to play Batman in the wake of a surprisingly good in the role Keaton; they were both terrible – and Afleck’s (who is also a competent actor) version just seems like an asshole in the wake of Bale’s.) Further, in the Suicide Squad, we’re supposed to be manipulated into seeing the Joker as some sort of protagonist, and the character was never meant to be one. The Joker backstory from the movie recounted by this review isn’t interesting at all. I’d rather his backstory have remained vague and contradictory.

  30. Richard P says:
    @Smith

    Why would you support Hollywood to any capacity?

    • Replies: @Smith
  31. Absolute proof that you guys are complete douchebags.

    I mean, Batman movies? Adults actually going to see Batman movies?

    And you all cry and moan about the decadence and infantilization of Western society.

    And then you go to Batman movies. And compare them to philosophers and Renaissance painters.

    You are complete, un-self-aware, childish braindead douchbags.

  32. @Hail

    This Joker represents the present insanity of the mentally ill Jews. This is what they wish for. The sickies in Hollywood wish this would happen and that they would overthrow “The Trump Regime.” This is the Ultimate ANTIFA. In their world this is what they have done to many civilizations. The Joker is a Metaphor for all their madness and all their dreams.

  33. Will not see it. Its too negative. I saw Taxi Driver at a college screening years ago. I hated it.

    • Agree: El Dato
  34. “Heideggerian philosophy”

    Whatever that it is.

    This is dead-on though. Technically brilliant, but basically empty. Evil white male trope everywhere. Taxi Driver in comic book garb with high-style edging.

  35. @Priss Factor

    Nolan doesn’t direct like Bergman. But he does treat his material with gravitas and endow it with depth. You seem to think that is a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  36. Miro23 says:
    @Priss Factor

    I haven’t seen the film, but there’s definitely something going on here:

    Timmy loves Joker.


    Trevor Lynch hates Joker.

    Andrew Anglin loves Joker.
    https://dailystormer.name/stormer-movie-review-joker-10-10-spoiler-free/

    8 minute standing ovation at the Golden Globes in Venice.

    Critics initially loved it but then decided/were instructed to hate it.

    Public Rotten tomatoes 92% (but very divided), Critics 69% (also very divided).
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019

  37. Ledger’s Joker has a Nietzschean and Heideggerian philosophy, which he articulates with striking words and deeds. Phoenix’s Joker doesn’t have a nihilistic philosophy. He’s just a depressive. When we first see him, he is holding a sign reading “Everything Must Go.” Yeah, it’s for a going out of business sale, but it’s also symbolic. Phoenix’s Joker does not “stand for” nihilism as a worldview. As he says later on, he doesn’t stand for anything. He has no worldview. He’s just a tortured soul, and a banal one at that.

    Now, that’s a good one.

  38. alexander says:

    Trevor,

    When I got to the point where you mentioned “pathetic “, “shambling “,” vacant” and “defective” I actually thought, for a moment, you were referring to the DNC policy debates…..(minus Tulsi Gabbard….Of course.)…

    and then, when you wrote….

    “who repeatedly betray and disappoint the people”

    I realized ….you WERE referring to the DNC policy debates….

    Is this a movie review….. or a subliminal critique of our current governmental institutions and all its
    pre-selected ” front runners” for the democratic nominee ?

  39. I am sympathetic with the view that criminal psychopaths, as distinct from the vast majority of people with mental disorders, tend to have few if any admirable or useful personal qualities. In my professional experience they are, without exception, extremely damaged and chronically dysfunctional individuals, trapped in destructive cycles of behaviour that they themselves neither understand nor control.

    Their sometimes atrocious behaviour towards other people can give rise to public notoriety, but it typically also results in long periods in prison and secure mental health facilities. During these episodes of confinement, they struggle to understand the reasons for their predicament, come into recurrent conflict with peers and staff, while their emotions fluctuate between anger, perplexity, frustration and despair.

    In the absence of effective treatments for their disorder, both they and the people whose job it is to manage their behaviour find it increasingly difficult to maintain the belief that their confinement serves any meaningful therapeutic purpose. Rather than acknowledge this, they are obliged to demonstrate therapeutic progress by completing lengthy courses of psychological therapy, although there is a marked paucity of evidence that such therapies are effective for such disorders.

    Simply completing a course of psychological therapy is seen as evidence of success and little or no attention is paid to whether the individual actually benefits from the therapy. Liberal doses of psychotropic medications help keep the more resistive patients quiet. A “positive response” to medication, in the form of a more subdued and bidable patient, is seen as further evidence that treatment is beneficial.

    After a while, there will be a period of testing using leave to the community. Undesirable behaviour will be punished by withdrawal of leave. Eventually, all but the most severely disordered patients will realise what they need to say and do to be granted discharge. Treatment resistant cases face indeterminate detention, often for periods far in excess of any prison sentence imposed for the offences that brought them to the attention of the authorities.

    For those discharged, there will be a lengthy period on licence during which they are obliged to live in specialist accomodation for people with severe and enduring mental disorders and to continue with psychiatric treatment in the community. Recall to hospital can result in further lengthy detention in hospital. Absolute discharge may never be granted.

    Should I pitch this idea as the basis for a sequel?

    • Replies: @Alden
  40. If you are going to have a society that tries to ignore God, you have a Godless society. Crime will get worse and worse. This is what the lying mainstream media and Hollywood, TV and movies are, mostly Godless. The USA is right on track to continue its downward spiral. Keep murdering babies and it will depopulate. The illegals are shoring up the numbers. If they stop the illegals to save the few jobs left that have not been outsourced, eventually the population will shrink, and will collapse.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    , @Nodwink
  41. Wrench says:

    I think the point of this film is to set off marginal people. This movie made my skin crawl. I wouldnt recommend going to see this movie after the opening weekend this thing is going to be a magnet for nutjobs.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  42. Russ says:

    De Niro has sired five children with three black women? I no more knew that than I knew that he had a role in this movie; it explains a lot. Thanks Mr. Lynch for an interesting review of yet another movie I’ll never get around to seeing. Perhaps that new Scorsese film about Edison, Westinghouse, and Tesla …

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
  43. “James Bond, other superheroes), and movies like this will have the remaining characters be the bad guy.”

    Well, bond is not a super hero. His history established in detail precludes any nonsense of turning the role female or into a role for anyone other than a white would in my view kill – destroy the the character and the series . . .

    you would have to kill or retie the bond we know and love, which in my view means killing and retiring the entire run.

    Just dumb.

    ——————————

    What makes Mr. Ledger’s Joker power: he plays and preys on the hypocrisies of the society in which he lives and the constant stress tests of human morality, goodness and justice.

    And the perfect mechanism to introduce Harvey Two face and serves as the backdrop for the film itself as even Batman himself takes on the role as villain, to protect the reputation and the image against “good guy” choosing bad.

  44. El Dato says:
    @obwandiyag

    Today in “The voice from the ghetto.”

  45. El Dato says:
    @Wrench

    But is it more triggering than “Death Wish” with Charles Bronson?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Wish_(1974_film)

    The film was rejected by other studios because of its controversial subject matter and the perceived difficulty of casting someone in the vigilante role. Winner attempted to recruit Bronson, but there were two problems for the actor. One was that his agent, Paul Kohner, considered that the film carried a dangerous message. The other was that the screenplay then followed the original novel in describing the vigilante as a meek accountant, hardly a suitable role for Bronson.

    “I was really a miscast person,” Bronson said later. “It was more a theme that would have been better for Dustin Hoffman or somebody who could play a weaker kind of man. I told them that at the time.”

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    , @Logan
    , @bro3886
  46. Adamant says:

    The easiest way to have improved this film immensely? Cut out all BATMAN references and call it something else.

    Then it could be interesting instead of having to drag around the huge bat shaped weight behind it. Or have a bat shaped cloud hanging over it. Whatever.

    Otherwise it’s just Better Call Saul. You mean, I’ve got to sit thru 3 seasons of Jimmy McGill and maybe we’ll get to see some criminal lawyer shit in 4th? Maybe? Finally? At least Mike and Gus are on this show.

  47. Adamant says:
    @Amon

    That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    But! I would like to believe that someone did write a movie about a clown that loses his mind and his world and the studio said ‘tack the Joker onto that’ because that would explain so much. It’s happened with at least one Hellraiser sequel.(Completely original horror movie script that the studio bought and said jam Pinhead into this)

  48. Pericles says:
    @Wally

    Odds that the producer called it in?

  49. bjondo says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    How to Talk Dirty

    is this elevating a culture
    or a parasite degrading his host’s culture?

  50. It is a great movie, 5/5.

    No need to over analyze it too much.

    Just enjoy and relax.

    Better than most superhero/comic based movies for sure. Actually it was not a superhero or supervillain movie at all. Just a story about sad man who goes crazy and starts a revolution.

  51. bjondo says:

    Not interested in seeing this movie.

    Unless a Mel Gibson movie,

    don’t bother with Weinswinewood’s rot.

    If remember accurately,

    J. Phoenix’s portrayal turned

    J. Cash into a pathetic whiner.

  52. @Amon

    Actually, it’s the other way around. As TL has said elsewhere, movies with traditional or Traditionalist messages can only be made if disguised as comic book movies. Re an earlier genre, Jef Costello has written about how movies about supervillians (Bond, Flynt, Helm) present normal Western values as a conspiracy of fascist lunatics (SPECTRE, Big O, etc) being fought by “individualists” (i.e. deracinated hedonists), all crypsis for Jews projecting their fears of White culture.

  53. @Trevor Lynch

    You seem to think that is a bad thing.

    Depends on the subject. Who would want a serious dramatization of Pokemon, Sailor Moon, or Dragonball Z?

    Batman is about some guy in a bat costume riding around in a ‘batmobile’ duking it out with villains such as the Joker, Catwoman, and Penguin. It shouldn’t be handled with overt gravitas.

    Antman was done to perfection. Such material has a seriousness-threshold and mustn’t be more serious than it needs to be. It’s like a hamburger shouldn’t try to be gourmet.

    I laud Nolan’s seriousness with Insomnia(maybe his best work), Dunkirk, and Inception(a sci-fi movie with a great concept).

    RESIDENT EVIL series work better than most comic book superhero movies because it’s mindful of its mindlessness. It is without pretension but just clever enough for ingenious plot twists.

    I’m amazed by all those people, such as Richard Spencer, who take Batman(and 007) so seriously. I mean it ain’t exactly Bubblegum Crisis.

    • Replies: @Trevor Lynch
  54. @Priss Factor

    “Nolan’s BATMAN movies were as if directed by Bergman. Who needs that about some goofy comic book tale?”

    So, that’s how you think about Bergman’s take on The Magic Flute?

  55. Poor Joaquin! Must be hard to follow in the footsteps of River…

  56. I find it hard to believe that Hollywood could make anything worthwhile.

    I despise Hollywood and the people who work in Hollywood.

    Robert Deniro is a crazy degenerate POS.

    Andrew Anglin hates women and older people, so his take on this movie doesn’t really matter.

  57. @MikeatMikedotMike

    “To the Joker, I haven’t seen the last two movies featuring him, and never will, but there was what, 20 years between Nicholson and Ledger, so the performances are separated by a generation and difficult to compare because the entire styling of both movies is different as is the audience. Both were outstanding in their own way and fit into the movie they were placed in perfectly.”

    Yes, and this is why comparisons of Cox and Hopkins as Lecktor (or Leckter) as pointless. Not that as much time had passed, but the movies are entirely different. Like The Shining, Manhunter is really Mann’s movie rather than the author’s, and being a better director and a better idea, it’s better than SOTL, but that’s another debate. Cox fits perfectly into Mann’s film, and so Hopkins does in Demme’s film (which is operatic and campy). Speaking of origin stories and sequels, not only in Hannibal terrible, but so is the pointless attempt to remake Manhunter as Red Dragon, solely to make money and craft a trilogy with a unified style for marketing purposes. Sad.

  58. @Dennis Gannon

    “Keep murdering babies and it will depopulate.”

    This is why Christian/Zionist/Evangelical/Catholic “conservatives” are useless. We WANT the darkies to depopulate. As for us Whites, ask Evola: you don’t need a large population if you have WILL. Cf. who ruled the world, tiny England or more populous India or China; or even Germany?

    • Replies: @Alden
  59. @Trevor Lynch

    I still plan on seeing the movie so I read the review quickly.

    Is it true that Heath Ledger’s role as Joker in “The Dark Knight” helped to drive him to suicide? I have read that he was haunted by the part.

    Also, I can no longer stand anything with the FOUL MOUTH Robert DeNiro in it, and hate that even a penny of my ticket price winds up in his pocket. I hope that the woman now suing him wins a multimillion dollar judgment, which should finally finish off that over-the-hill bum for good.

  60. Christo says:

    “Arthur was harassed by Wall Street yuppies and shoots three Patrick Batemans dead with seven bullets from what appears to be a .22 pistol (but who’s counting?).”

    The author is, and it shows he was looking too hard for imperfections, which throws early shade on the rest of the subjective criticism for the objective error. Do any editors or writers today know a thing about guns except to hate them?

    Generally revolvers in 22 cal usually have 8 round cylinders , be they in 22LR or even 22 Mag. The rounds’ casing is alot smaller in diameter than say, 38 caliber . roughly .22″ as opposed to .38″ , so more bores can be drilled in the cylinder and since they have less powder as well, the cylinder is still strong enough to contain their firing power.

  61. @Priss Factor

    I’m amazed by all those people, such as Richard Spencer, who take Batman(and 007) so seriously. I mean it ain’t exactly Bubblegum Crisis.

    I think you are taking yourself entirely too seriously.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  62. @Trevor Lynch

    That’s too gay to be taken seriously.

  63. Corvinus says:

    “At this point, given the obvious anti-white, Bolshevik slant here, perhaps I should mention that director Todd Phillips and his co-screenwriter Scott Silver are both Jewish.”

    There was no need to mention it.

    “In De Niro’s case, he actually had a child with Diahnne Abbot, the actress who plays his love interest. De Niro has fathered five children with three black women. One could be considered an accident, etc.”

    Who cares? The Alt Right has their own white men who have procreated with non-white women. The reality is that race mixing is a normal, human function.

  64. OT: Some WNs seem to think that, though (((they))) control Hollywood 99%, they don’t control 100%; “Fight Club” and “Idiocracy”, to name 2 films that get mentioned in this regard, somehow made it through to us, somehow getting by (((them))).

    The truth is that “Idiocracy” is a bore and “Fight Club” is downright unbareable, and, yes,
    (((they))) allowed them to be made.

  65. @obwandiyag

    And then you go to Batman movies. And compare them to philosophers and Renaissance painters.

    There was a guy a couple thousand years ago who had the big Grecian balls to write moralistic tales about tortoises and hares. Another guy came along a few centuries later and told stories about mustard seeds and fig trees.

    Allegory works. Good comic book movies are allegories. Lighten up.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  66. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    Then why are you here?

    LOL

  67. @Corvinus

    The reality is that race mixing is a normal, human function.

    So’s cerebral palsy. What’s yer point?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  68. Richard P says:
    @follyofwar

    It’s a shame what has come of ounce great actors such as Robert DeNiro. He was spectacular in The Deer Hunter and HEAT. Now he’s just another washed up limousine liberal and wannabe SJW. This is why I boycott modern Hollywood and urge others to do the same. Buy supporting Hollywood — just as supporting professional sports — one is theoretically giving a platform to those who hate and want to silence us.

  69. Agent76 says:

    September 1, 2019 How Americans Have Been Conditioned to Support the Police State

    This is how you condition a populace to life as prisoners in a police state: by brainwashing them into believing they are free so that they will march in lockstep with the state and be incapable of recognizing the prison walls that surround them. Face the facts: we are no longer free.

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/americans-conditioned-support-police-state/

    Hollywood Hypocrites Demand Gun Control For Citizens

    As Their Movies Promote Gun Violence

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Ian Smith
  70. Corvinus says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    “So’s cerebral palsy. What’s yer point?”

    Race mixing is not the equivalent of cerebral palsy. Try harder next time to be more intellectually stimulating.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  71. Corvinus says:
    @Richard P

    “Buy supporting Hollywood — just as supporting professional sports — one is theoretically giving a platform to those who hate and want to silence us.”

    Tens of millions of white normies would beg to differ. So, exactly who is this “us”?

  72. Corvinus says:
    @Agent76

    “This is how you condition a populace to life as prisoners in a police state: by brainwashing them into believing they are free so that they will march in lockstep with the state and be incapable of recognizing the prison walls that surround them.

    Then you are admitting that tens of millions of white people lack the requisite intellect to make their own decisions about race and culture. The reality is that you prefer something else. When others do not share that attitude, you label them in this fashion.

    “Face the facts: we are no longer free.”

    Actually, we are free. It’s you who are imprisoned by your own thoughts.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  73. @El Dato

    “I was really a miscast person,” Bronson said later. “It was more a theme that would have been better for Dustin Hoffman or somebody who could play a weaker kind of man. I told them that at the time.”

    Interesting, I doubt Hoffman would have done Death Wish, since he had already done a vigilante role in 1971’s Straw Dogs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. @Corvinus

    You are right. Race mixing is a self inflicted mental disorder. Like homosexuality or being transgender.

    Victims of cerebral palsy are innocent.

    • LOL: Herbert West
    • Replies: @Richard P
    , @Corvinus
  75. Stogumber says:

    “The Joker” and in particular the comment by Hunter Wallace reminded to me the Weimarian movies like “Caligari” and “Mabuse” which as well showed a destructive personality formed by and rising in a chaotic society. (I just found that “Mabuse” had indeed some influence on the Ledger movie.)
    Now, since Kracauer, these movies are mostly seen as partly an expression, partly a mirror of Weimarian pre-fascism.
    This wouldn’t bode well for the United States. Of course, at present a lot of the New Left would like to see the States as a chaotic society which forms destructive fascist personalities. It’s a narrative apt to a commenting class which feels that it is no more the commanding class and things don’t go as they are used and like it.
    But such a broadly negative narrative about the existing society is rather isolating. At best, it brings the discontented and radical elements of the left and of the right together – Nazis would have easily conformed to a narrative of the Weimarian society as “chaotic”. On the other hand, the New Left is hampered by such a narrative: It cannot forge what they strive for : the broad anti-fascist alliance with the middle-of-the-road people who want to defend the status quo.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  76. Richard P says:
    @Corvinus

    The Dissident Right.

    A Taxonomy of Dissident Right Factions courtesy of the Western Rifle Shooters Association (WRSA):

    https://cascadefreezone.com/2018/03/22/a-taxonomy-of-dissident-right-factions/

    Subcultures of the Right Wing courtesy of Amerika.org:

    http://www.amerika.org/culture/subcultures-of-the-right-wing/

    Where do you fall into the spectrum?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Corvinus
  77. Richard P says:
    @Chris Mallory

    I wholeheartedly agree. The aforementioned are unnatural and degenerative acts. Procreation is a generative act between a man and woman in order to continue mankind. Homosexuality and transgenderism are regressive acts as they’re self-serving and kill the ability to procreate.

    Meanwhile, our degenerative Western society continues to spiral out of control as another Christian is persecuted for their beliefs — and this time it was an experienced medical doctor in the UK.

    On Tuesday, a British court ruled that belief in the Bible was “incompatible with human dignity” and fired Dr. David Mackereth, a devout Christian who had worked as an emergency doctor for the National Health Service for 26 years. Mackereth was fired from his job because he refused to call a biological man a woman.

    https://russian-faith.com/news/medical-doctor-fired-judge-rules-his-christian-beliefs-incompatible-human-dignity-n2480

    • Replies: @sayless
  78. Though a tad over the top Ledger, playing the haunted, nihilistic Joker, as they used to say “stole the show.”

    It never ceases to amaze me how utterly fascinated people are by evil, as evidenced by all the cable shows about Hitler and the Nazis (not to mention the obsession with the Holocaust). For that reason “Joker” will be a box-office hit.

    • Replies: @Richard P
  79. @Richard P

    It’s a shame what has come of ounce great actors such as Robert DeNiro. He was spectacular in The Deer Hunter and HEAT. Now he’s just another washed up limousine liberal and wannabe SJW.

    I think he was always a libby-dib, like 95% of Hollywood actors.

    As for his career, he probably figured he did his share of hardcore acting and should make some money with stuff like Meet the Fokkers. Laurence Olivier mostly collected the check in his latter days.

    But it seems De Niro is back to seriousness with Scorsese’s latest.

    Interesting that De Niro was best with Italian or Italian-American directors. He was fabulous as young Vito in GODFATHER II. And as Noodles in Once Upon a Time in America. However, not so much with Bertolucci in 1900, an embarrassment.

    • Replies: @Alden
  80. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Allegory works. Good comic book movies are allegories.

    Allegories usually work on a smaller scale. What Hollywood has done is to inflate comic book material into grand operatics.

    Also, both the progs and ‘dissident right’ are reading far too much into this movie.

    It’s like all the rightwing drooling over FALLING DOWN and FIGHT CLUB, even AMERICAN PSYCHO, which really aren’t much. FIGHT CLUB at least has great film-making.

    • Replies: @Richard P
  81. Agent76 says:
    @Corvinus

    I respet your right to free speech. Review what you currently cannot view. Let’s chant USA, USA!

    May 6, 2016 How Much Liberty Do Americans Have Left?

    This post explains the liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights – the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution – and provides a scorecard on the extent of the loss of each right.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-much-liberty-do-americans-have-left/5524450

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  82. Richard P says:
    @Prester John

    It never ceases to amaze me how utterly fascinated people are by evil,

    This shouldn’t come as a surprise when one lives in a society engulfed by decadence — a society who values modernism rather than traditionalism.

  83. Richard P says:
    @Priss Factor

    FIGHT CLUB at least has great film-making.

    Zerohedge.com loves Fight Club.

  84. Have not scene this fikm and make no comparisons to the other “Joker” performances, past or present.

  85. Ian Smith says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Jews’ prowess in humor is overrated. I’ve never read a Jewish novel as funny as Evelyn Waugh or Kingsley Amis at their peak. That being said, no movie has ever made me laugh as hard as Tropic Thunder, which was heavily Jewish.

    • Replies: @Anon
  86. Ian Smith says:
    @Anonymousse

    That would explain the attacks on Jayoh De La Rey over at Right Stuff.

  87. Ian Smith says:
    @Agent76

    So if you play someone in a movie who uses a gun…you can’t support gun control? I don’t get the logic there. I mean, how is Jon Hamm playing an FBI agent shooting a banker robber promoting gun violence?

    It’s like these NRA people who say that taking people’s guns from them would violate their freedom…and then call for censorship of films and video games!

    • Replies: @Agent76
  88. Mr. Anon says:
    @Richard P

    Corvinus is a stupid, carping, liberal s**thead. He doesn’t have a thought in his head he didn’t hear on NPR. He should not be taken seriously.

  89. @Richard P

    Richard P

    I partly agree but there are themes in some comic book movies that are worth taking our kids to see. Tony Stark is almost libertarian at times in the early Iron Man movies. He adamantly protects his intellectual property from the greedy hands of the government and represents the superiority of private sector over public.

    If you want a film to introduce the concept of the deep or shadow state to a teen, Captain America-The Winter Soldier is excellent.

    • Replies: @Richard P
  90. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Funny that you both mention Hannibal Lecter. I’d say that Anthony Hopkins version is one of the better Jokers we’ve ever seen. And I like the TV version played by Mads Mikkelsen better still but he wasn’t funny. Just thoroughly evil.

  91. “I’m betting that the most savage thing Joker inspires is this review.”

    There’s definitely a positive side to this movie too, lol.
    Among other useful hints “Joaquin Phoenix/Joker” reminds us, AGAIN,
    what happens when “occult” is mixed with “primordial evil”.

  92. ricpic says:

    Actually, Cesar Romero had a lot of charisma.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  93. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Hollywood misocalia

  94. Richard P says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Thank you for the insight and recommendation. It’s refreshing to learn that there are still films that examine the evil wrongdoings disguised through Black Ops of the Deep State and Shadow Government.

    Tom Clancy’s Clear and Present Danger was always one of my favorite films that exposed the corrupted Shadow Government.

  95. @Priss Factor

    Because Nolan’s film dealt with very grim themes. Not just the senseless violence of the Joker but with the problem of how much freedom do you give away in hope of being kept safe? How much violence do you accept as the cost of freedom? The aspect of electronic surveillance was addressed. When Lucius Fox proclaimed the immorality of Batman’s use of citizens cell phones to spy everywhere he might as well have rebuked the Congress outright for passing the Patriot Act. It didn’t even take ten years for that sort of technology to be a reality.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  96. Alden says:
    @Priss Factor

    I was never a fan of Batman, as a kid or adult. Here’s the explanation of why it’s so popular according to people who write about such things including Joseph Campbell.

    It’s basically a revenge fantasy. It’s also a reminder that evil lurks and can attack any time anywhere. This is especially relevant to Americans because our cities and many rural and suburban areas are full of black criminals and no one is safe out in the streets.

    Anywhere in the streets. For instance before Hispanics and Chabad Jews cleared the blacks out of the dreaded east of Robinson neighborhood, wealthy Beverly Hills had a very high rate of blacks robbing stores and pedestrians despite the best efforts of police. South side black thugs regularly invade the most expensive shopping and residential districts of Chicago.

    Liberals deny black crime. But all Americans have this fear of criminal attacks. Back in the 30’s when Batman was a comic the blacks were well controlled and cities were safe.

    By the time the first Batman movie came out, the cities and many metro areas were crime ridden hell holes with rampant uncontrollable black crime.

    So that’s the background, an entire country where no one is safe from black crime.

    Here’s the unconscious mind, Joseph Campbell take on the popularity of Batman.

    Hero Bruce Wayne is a small boy, about 6. He’s a privileged protected only child of one of the wealthiest most important families in the country. But all this money influence and political power can’t protect him from rampant raging street crime known as “robberies gone wrong” “tragedies” no known motive random robbery by the media and government.

    One evening parents take him to a show, probably a popular PG movie. Leaving the show his parents are shot dead by a common thug street robber. All their money and power can’t protect them.

    That’s the basic revenge motif. Every person in the world feels out upon and abused in some way, especially in childhood Sister got the bigger bedroom. I had to do chores. Didn’t like high school. Everyone wants revenge for all these slights, sometimes consciously, more often unconsciously.

    Little Bruce is devastated and vows revenge. By enormous coincidence, he is the sole heir to all the Wayne wealth and power. He grows up and uses that wealth and power to wipe out crime in Gotham City.

    Batman also has the standard plot. Happy little boy, parents killed in front of him, devastated and depressed then revenge and recovery.

    That’s why Batman is so popular.

    I liked the one with Una Thurman as the environmental activist trying to ruin one of the Wayne industries

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  97. Alden says:
    @Wally

    Terrorism and threats. Reminds me of something from the 1950’s. To publicize a humdrum horror film, the studio and theaters advertised that a nurse would be stationed at every showing in every theater in case of fainting from the horror of it all.

    Playwright Victor did the same in 1830s Paris. After the first week his play wasn’t doing very well. So he went to the unemployment office and university and hired students and others needing money to go to the show, boo and express out rage. Ticket sales soared and Hugo was in his way to being a prominent man of letters.

  98. J1234 says:
    @Priss Factor

    I’ve been watching Nick recently. I find his pathos very entertaining, and I don’t really mean that in a negative way. There’s tons of stuff that I strongly disagree with him about, but when you sift through his reflexive, knee-jerk opinions you can find fairly frequent islands of genuine insight that reveal some true brilliance.

    His review on the Joker last night left me cold, however – the only show of his that has affected me this way. Cold and a little depressed. That a young intelligent man should find some degree of solace and encouragement from a story about a pathetic loser (and villain) left me sad for Nick, and a little concerned for all young people on what I call “the strong right.” It also left me angry at a world that would encourage them in this direction…but not enough to get me disillusioned.

    Find more encouragement in the world, young people, even when things look as bleak as they do today. That’s the legacy and tradition of the West. And don’t look for that encouragement from Hollywood. Most of all, view yourselves as the heroes that you are, not the villains that you aren’t.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Vendetta
    , @Hail
  99. Alden says:
    @Julian of Norwich

    If you don’t mind my asking, what secure mental health facilities? Are you referring to America or another country? American secure mental health facilities were closed down starting about 50 years ago after the judge’s findings and orders in the Hodge cases.

    • Replies: @Julian of Norwich
  100. Che Guava says:

    I appreciate Trevor’s review as usual (although I think this is the first time I have read one of a film I have not seen, and am not one to whine abt. spoilers, when I see a movie, I automatically suspend disbelief, unless it is total crap).

    Today (well, yesterday now, but still Saturday to most readers there), I read the review on Breitbart (I know, Breitbart is a crap propaganda outlet on Israel and Iran in particular, but two or three of the writers are usually of interest) on the train and during work breaks.

    The Joker review was very good, by their writer Nolte IIRC, and offering a very different (and spoiler-free) take to this, and also Anglin’s. It and Anglin”s made me think ‘maybe I should see this.’

    It is worth reading.

    I generally avoid western super-hero movies.

    Did see, however the Ledger and Leto performances, found both annoying in different ways.

    Trevor’s idea that much is imaginary remiods me of American Psycho (both the novel )

    • Replies: @Richard P
  101. Alden says:
    @James J. O'Meara

    Thank you so much. All these anti abortion fools just want more and more black and brown thug criminals and affirmative action beneficiaries born to destroy Whites.

    Anti abortion is anti White pro welfare pro crime and pro black.

    We’re it not for abortion the whole country would be like the Atlanta Metro Area. We’d be 35-40 percent black.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  102. Richard P says:
    @Che Guava

    Anglin’s review was good and insightful. Nonetheless, I find supporting Hollywood to any capacity as being contradictory to our cause. As members of the Dissident Right, we must make conscious decisions everyday when it comes to who to support or not — as supporting the wrong entity can be equated to providing the ammunition to those who want to silence you.

  103. Agent76 says:
    @Ian Smith

    Here are historical fact’s! JANUARY 7, 2016 CURE’s Never Again/No Gun Control Press Conference

    Star Parker’s CURE: Never Again 2013 Press Conference regarding Gun Control legislation.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4571870/cures-againno-gun-control-press-conference

    August 22, 2017 The racist origin of gun control laws

    Congress demolished these racist laws. The Freedmen’s Bureau Bill of 1865, Civil Rights Act of 1866, and Civil Rights Act of 1870 each guaranteed all persons equal rights of self-defense. Most importantly, the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, made the Second Amendment applicable to the states.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/347324-the-racist-origin-of-gun-control-laws

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  104. Corvinus says:
    @Agent76

    “This post explains the liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights – the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution – and provides a scorecard on the extent of the loss of each right.”

    The post links to a site that uses a number of its own links–without analysis–to “prove” that Americans have lost their liberties. A number of the contributors on that website you listed Jewish, which I thought this group cannot be trusted. Moreover, according to several fact checking websites, globalresearch.ca is an hard advocate of conspiracy theories.

    Try again.

  105. Abbybwood says:

    “Lost” was NOT a giant “jerk-job”!

    It was all Hurley’s dream!

    I think I’ll watch it again.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  106. Abbybwood says:
    @Russ

    I am hearing that the new Clint Eastwood movie about Richard Jewell is going to be worth seeing….

  107. Vendetta says:
    @J1234

    The young people who put it all on the line to get Trump elected do feel like losers after their victory has turned out to have had little effect or meaning. We’re more persecuted and oppressed now than we ever were before, the great populist coalition has shattered, leaving us only with Trump’s diminishing personality cult, and most of the people who stepped up to be heroes ended up disgraced, exposed as frauds, or going back into hiding, with few emerging to replace them.

    All is not yet lost, but even the optimists like Nick are struggling right now with the sense of doom and despair. The only hope most are seeing right now is that some new and totally unexpected chaotic element will emerge and shake the system enough to let us rally and resist once again.

    That’s why the Joker movie strikes a chord with everyone, since it’s a fantasy where that takes place. It’s also why Joaquin Phoenix’s character resonates in spite of being so loathsome and pathetic – the idea that even someone so pitiful and detestable as him is capable of beating the system is a powerful one.

  108. @Richard P

    Deniro is a disgusting POS.

    I believe that he’s a pedophile. I think France went after him on pedophile charges.

    I saw a story about how he and Weinstein would lure young wannabe actresses to Deniro’s restaurant and promise them acting work for sex. Apparently they screwed the young girls in an office at the restaurant and then told the girls to get lost.

    In any case, he’s about 5’2″, and he says he’s going to beat Trump’s ass….and Trump
    is 6’3″, and surely weighs 80 lbs. more than slimy little Bobby.

    The latest voicemail message to his personal assistant is really something. He sounds like the male version of Greta Thunberg, yelling at his assistant like a spoiled brat, “How DARE you! You fucking bitch! How DARE YOU!!!!!”

    I hope she gets 12 million from the little prick and more.

    • Replies: @Richard P
    , @Logan
  109. Ian Smith says:
    @Agent76

    So you’ve skipped attempting to address my question and gone for Dems duh real rayciss!

    And in before you pull ‘the Hitler supported gun control’ argument out:

    https://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

    I know, I know, it’s Salon. I couldn’t find the Ramzpaul episode we he demolished the Hitler was a gun grabber myth.

  110. Richard P says:

    Our nation is crumbling from societal decay and infrastructure rot like never seen before. Our borders have become more fluid since Trump has taken office because of his failed promises. Ethnic Europeans have little to no voice left in this nation. Christians and traditionalists are being persecuted — and will soon be a resemblance of the Cossacks. We’re faced with a worsening, nationwide epidemic when it comes to homelessness, mental health, obesity, and substance abuse. We spend $1.1 trillion a year on the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and give another $38 billion to Israel — a terrorist conglomerate.

    But Normies who so vehemently complain from their McMansions have become ever so complacent and continue to allow themselves to be indoctrinated by the modern day bread and circuses. Not only have they become complacent, they’ve become supportive of atrocities such as this:

    Nebraska football receiving $155M athletic facility, to be largest in US:

    “The University of Nebraska announced Friday its plans for a new athletic facility which is set to be one the largest of its kind in the country.”

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/nebraska-football-athletic-facility-upgrade

    The USA is an artificial abstract; a corporate entity. It’s not much different than the UAE. We have no heritage or anything sacred left at this point.

    Our priorities are way out of line and we’re providing our opposition every tool in the toolbox to wipe us out forever. This is no laughing matter.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  111. @Alden

    “Batman also has the standard plot. Happy little boy, parents killed in front of him, devastated and depressed then revenge and recovery.

    That’s why Batman is so popular. ”

    It’s the orphan protagonist: Moses, Perceus, Oliver Twist, Tom Sawyer, Luke Skywalker, Frodo, Aragorn, James Bond, Tony Stark, Peter Quill, Peter Parker, Annie (natch), Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Conan, Harry Potter, Cinderella, Tarzan, Dorothy, etc, etc….

  112. Richard P says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I wasn’t aware of this story. Yes, hopefully she gets no less than $12 million from the scumbag. There’s definitely something in the water in Hollywood.

  113. Hail says: • Website
    @Counterinsurgency

    Somebody else did it

    My reading of the Joker movie of 2019, as I wrote above, is”the WASPs did it” would be that “somebody else.” While several narrative strands from several eras are weaved together and superficially overlaid on New York ca.1980, one should not be deceived by appearances: To the Jews, it is always the era of Jewish marginalization and the need to overthrow a hostile White elite.

    The Joker Mask movement is essentially a righteous communist uprising of left-wing Jewish dreams, surrealized somewhat for artistic and plot purposes, but not far off the communist red revolution dream. And thus, to the extent we are to sympathize with the Joker Mask movement that we see taking over the city in the second half of this film, we are to sympathize with the most extreme of Antifas today.

    (And the above fits nicely with the whole Batman universe in any case. It’s always the 1930s in Gotham City.)

    There has been much talk about how Batman is a right-wing or even “fascist” superhero, and I see this effort with Joker may be at attempt to construct a counter-narrative.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  114. Hail says: • Website
    @ThreeofSwords

    Given who the director, writers, and producers were, we should ask about what it means in Yiddish. I don’t know Yiddish, but was intrigued by this definition:

    English to Yiddish Meaning :: fleck (or flek)

    פלעקקעד

    Show English Meaning (+)

    Noun (1) a small fragment of something broken off from the whole

    • Replies: @ThreeofSwords
  115. Logan says:
    @El Dato

    At least through most of the original Death Wish he’s not really a vigilante. He’s a guy who goes into dangerous places and then quite legally defends himself when attacked. (Although to be fair probably using illegal means since he’s in NYC.)

    That’s not what vigilantes do. They track down and kill or run out of town people they think are undesirable. Quite often getting the wrong people.

    • Replies: @Richard P
    , @Alden
  116. Anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    Surveys show that the most “godless” nation is Czech Republic; white nationalists would call it heaven.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  117. Richard P says:
    @Logan

    A good example of an authentic movie vigilante would be Clint Eastwood’s character, William Munny, in Unforgiven. He completed both of your requirements for a vigilante — he tracked down and killed everyone who was responsible for assaulting the whores and killing Ned.

  118. Hail says: • Website
    @J1234

    I agree with the spirit of this comment.

    Not sure if you, J1234, had seen the movie or not when you wrote the above:

    That a young intelligent man should find some degree of solace and encouragement from a story about a pathetic loser (and villain) left me sad for Nick, and a little concerned for all young people on what I call “the strong right.”

    The filmmakers made a concerted effort, largely successful (though Trevor Lynch doesn’t seem to agree), to create a mixed-but-overall-sympathetic picture of the young man Arthur Fleck (who becomes The Joker towards the end of the movie). So for someone who watched the movie in full, it’s not necessarily as those who haven’t seen it may think it is.

    I am reminded of the 1990s movie Falling Down, in which we also sympathize with a ‘loser’ [?] character who commits a string of crimes.

  119. Alden says:
    @Priss Factor

    De Niro’s parents were ultra leftist. He was raised that way. He got his start in ultra left Noo Yawk theater circles Lee Strasberg , Stella Adler Group Theater types.

    He looks about 85 years old withered wrinkled and emaciated. Needs to retire.

  120. Alden says:
    @Logan

    Only took the Vigilantes about 2 years to run the killers and robbers out of Gold Rush San Francisco.

    • Replies: @Logan
  121. Corvinus says:
    @Richard P

    “The Dissident Right.”

    Not a particularly united front, considering the faces of the franchise include Vox Day, who is making money on his brand of dissidence, and Milo and Jack Donovan, two homosexuals.

  122. Corvinus says:
    @Richard P

    “Ethnic Europeans have little to no voice left in this nation.”

    Actually, they speak loudly in the U.S.

    “Christians and traditionalists are being persecuted — and will soon be a resemblance of the Cossacks.”

    The reality is that they practice their traditions out in the open.

    “But Normies who so vehemently complain from their McMansions have become ever so complacent and continue to allow themselves to be indoctrinated by the modern day bread and circuses.”

    No, they are heavily involved in the community, and are able to think for themselves when it comes to race and culture.

    “The USA is an artificial abstract; a corporate entity.”

    Actually, it’s about blood and soil.

    “We have no heritage or anything sacred left at this point.”

    Actually, the normies embrace their heritage in a way you object.

    Our priorities are way out of line and we’re providing our opposition every tool in the toolbox to wipe us out forever. This is no laughing matter.

  123. Hail says: • Website

    perhaps I should mention that director Todd Phillips and his co-screenwriter Scott Silver are both Jewish.

    Joaquim Phoenix is also Jewish. Identifies as Jewish. Phoenix’s mother is of post[?]-Ellis Island Ostjude ancestry (her father was born in 1910 in Russia; the mother herself was born in Dec. 1944 in New York City).

    Phoenix’s parents were members of a cult from about 1969 to 1978, when Joaqium was three or four and the oldest sibling was eight. Phoenix in his 40s retains many of the usual left-wing beliefs and continues to identify as Jewish.

    • Replies: @Alden
  124. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory

    “You are right. Race mixing is a self inflicted mental disorder. Like homosexuality or being transgender.”

    I never made that connection, Lil’ Chief. The reality is that race mixing is natural and wholesome.

    • Replies: @awry
    , @Chris Mallory
  125. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Corvinus is a stupid, carping, liberal s**thead. He doesn’t have a thought in his head he didn’t hear on NPR. He should not be taken seriously.”

    Yet another one of your tired get off my lawn tropes. The reality is that I am a white married man of European descent with children who makes my own decisions about race and culture. We are…Normies.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @roo_ster
    , @ia
  126. Miro23 says:
    @Hail

    The Joker Mask movement is essentially a righteous communist uprising of left-wing Jewish dreams, surrealized somewhat for artistic and plot purposes, but not far off the communist red revolution dream. And thus, to the extent we are to sympathize with the Joker Mask movement that we see taking over the city in the second half of this film, we are to sympathize with the most extreme of Antifas today.

    This roughly describes Russian Jewish Bolshevism, but it’s not what’s happening in the US.

    The Russian Jewish Bolshevik left claimed to be the leaders of the (ethnic Russian) working class, and developed a class war in which they eliminated the “class enemy”, the (also ethnic Russian) middle class and aristocracy.

    The US is a different story. The elite Jewish Counter-Cultural left have allied with the middle class (ethnic Anglo) and old “aristocracy” (also ethnic Anglo) in developing a political-correctness war in which they eliminate the new “class enemy”, the Anglo working class (the Deplorables).

    Either way, the result is the same. On gaining absolute power, they turn on their allies, who get repressed the same as the rest of their ethnic group.

    IMO the writers/producers of Joker aimed to use the standard Russian Bolshevik model with edgy Antifa heroes, whereas they’ve come to realize (too late) that the audience really see the Jokers as Deplorables in masks. Hence the critical acclaim quickly morphing into critical rejection.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  127. Alden says:
    @Hail

    So that’s how the parents got the kids jobs as actors soon after leaving the cult in S America. Always wondered how that happened. Now I know.

  128. @Hail

    I am not familiar with either Yiddish (other than the description online) or any of the personnel associated with the film , so my immediate reaction was to default to the German word.

    I assume that writers in general do not assign names to their characters willy-nilly . For me then it would be more interesting to learn about the origin of the name itself rather than of the fictional character bearing the name.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hail
  129. @Jefferson Temple

    Because Nolan’s film dealt with very grim themes.

    In a story where some guy in a bat costume rides around in a big toy mobile and gets into fights with some guy with cake cream on his face. Or who was the other guy with a black duck mask. Bane?

    Batman works on the level of youth entertainment. It shouldn’t strive to be anything more.

  130. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    The reality is that I am a white married man of European descent with children who makes my own decisions about race and culture. We are…Normies.

    Maybe (this is the internet, so…….. no guarantees). And yet, without doubt, you are indeed a stupid, carping, liberal s**thead.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  131. padre says:

    I find it very odd, to take comic book character seriously, and then even drag Nietzsche in!Comic books were meant to be just entertainment for children up to 12 years!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. @Alden

    Thanks for asking, I don’t mind at all. In the UK we have high, medium and low secure psychiatric units which provide treatment for patients whose behaviour cannot be safely managed by ordinary adult services.

    Courts have the power to send mentally disordered offenders for compulsory hospital treatment and probably the commonest destination is a medium secure unit because of the risks such patients are thought to pose to other people.

    Detention can be for an indefinite period, in which case discharge can only be ordered by the Secretary of State for Justice or by a Mental Health Tribunal.

    We don’t tend to have ‘psychiatric prisons’ because we don’t think prison environments and prison staff are suitable for the provision of complex mental health interventions. However, patients who respond well to treatment and make a good recovery can in theory be returned to prison to serve any remaining time in custody.

    There is episodic debate about whether people with severe personality disorders have treatable conditions or are in fact better placed in prison. The law allows both types of disposal, but judges almost invariably follow medical recommendations when sentencing individuals.

    Occasionally, a patient will argue that their personality disorder is not treatable and they should be returned to prison. Their preference is to serve a determinate sentence in prison rather than an indeterminate one in a hospital.

    I presumed the US has similar secure hospital facilities, but I could well be mistaken.

  133. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Bronson is unconvincing as a pacifist type who hates guns until his family is attacked. He is all too convincing as someone who blows people away on the subway.
    He had Lipka Tatar ancestry and probably had nomadic warrior ancestors in the Golden Horde. His acting range was not great and he could not play a wimp.

  134. awry says:
    @Corvinus

    “homosexuality or being transgender.”

    So you agree that homosexuality or being transgender is a mental illness?

    Racial mixing in this era is not mental illness, but a white person founding a mixed-race family is kind of treasonous. Of course it has levels, the worst by far is founding a mixed-race family with a black. Especially white women bringing up black kids.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Richard P
    , @Alden
  135. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    A remnant of Communist-era atheism plus national memories of forced religious change – Hussites/Utraquists had anticipated the Reformation, but after 1620 Czechs were forced to adopt Catholicism or become refugees. It created cynicism about religion – there is no equivalent to the Polish perception of Catholicism and Polishness going together.
    The Slovaks had a different national history and Catholicism is stronger there.

  136. melpol says:

    Wars without nuclear weapons can only be fought with a trade of conventional explosives. There are warehoused in the US enough bombs to destroy most cities. The rest of the world has only a limited amount of bombs. Forget high tech knowledge. No nation can beat the US in a war. They have the bombs.

  137. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @padre

    Some influence from French/Belgian bandes dessinées? Some of these really are graphic novels rather than just comics.

  138. Christo says:

    Gee, all that mentioning of (they), (them) and (they) while talking of antisemitic movies and two possible contenders for that field. you forgot the real one

    They Live. – watch it if you have not

    Another is- Invasion of the Body Snatchers – about communism – ( same thing/culprits)

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  139. Corvinus says:
    @awry

    “So you agree that homosexuality or being transgender is a mental illness?”

    It’s genetic.

    “Racial mixing in this era is not mental illness, but a white person founding a mixed-race family is kind of treasonous.”

    It’s not treason. It’s a personal decision.

    “Of course it has levels, the worst by far is founding a mixed-race family with a black. Especially white women bringing up black kids.”

    No, it’s not “the worst”. It’s just something you do not prefer.

  140. Those for: Matt Forney, Andrew Anglin, Nick Fuentes, RRTI, the Trump Internet, sedevacantists and Daily Stormer

    Those against: the entire MSM, Tim Pool, Stefan Molyneux, combined international Jewry and associated Southern Baptists and Greg Johnson.

    I’m with the proponents and will see it.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
  141. sayless says:
    @follyofwar

    Heath Ledger had been telling people for months that he couldn’t sleep. That’s why he was taking the drugs. He didn’t die of an overdose. He died because he fell asleep face down on the pillow and was too deep under to shift position.

    It looked to me as if he was having fun with the part, but maybe it did trouble him. His metabolism was haywire in any case.

  142. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    I was there in New York City in the mid to late 1980s.

    The place had bad vibes.

    What is a good person, with good health, physically strong and fit, still young and not beaten down by life to do….

    Anything goes, free markets, trickle down economics, the Constitution where everybody has 2nd Amendment gun rights….

    Or in my case – go back to the fly over states and try to warn Conservatives, “support the troops” or even Neo Confederates what is coming and something has to be done.

    Then there is trying to survive the Bob and Liddy Dole campaigns for President or hang out with perfectly nice, safe White Latter Day Saint Mormons who’ve never taken a New York City subway car, never felt an Al Sharpton mob growing, perfectly decent “family values” Whites who know nothing about… the Jews.

    And then there’s a great wave of patriotism over some war/intervention in Iraq because, well Saddam supposedly is Hitler and has weapons of mass destruction or else Syria’s Assad is Hitler and he’s supposedly gassing little children…

    And then there was the real Hitler and regular people in Red Berlin in the late 1920s where there similar stories of personal despair and degradation – what did they/he do?

    In real life something really strange happened. New York City elected a law and order Mayor GOP Giuliani and civilization was restored… well sort of, internet stock market booms and yeah, there are ass hol## yuppies and then….

    The Islamists bomb the World Trade Center in 1993 and again on 9/11/01, and…..

    New York City has a Sandinista Communist mayor married to a Black lesbian BlackLiesMatter #*&$*@

    And now we have this movie “The Joker”.

    I’m skipping Latter Day Saint Mormon General Conference today…. so many ways to go crazy or die, I’m not dying of boredom spending all day with Latter Day Saints who have never even had a beer or a hot drink, cup of coffee.

  143. sayless says:
    @Richard P

    And the patient Dr. Mackereth was fired over was six feet tall and had a beard. The guy wasn’t even trying.

    • Replies: @Richard P
  144. roo_ster says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus:

    Normie, you are not. Ed Duton has your number: spiteful mutant.

    Dutton, E., Madison, G. & Dunkel, C. (2018). The Mutant Says in His Heart, “There Is No God”: The Rejection of Collective Religiosity Centred Around the Worship of Moral Gods is Associated with High Mutational Load. Evolutionary Psychological Science, 4: 233-244.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXxifvpVHT4

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  145. @Corvinus

    There was no need to mention it.

    Well, some of us found the information interesting, while the rest of us could just survive having received that amount of unnecessary information, almost a full sentence.

  146. Che Guava says:
    @Alden

    I think that many european-descended and east asian babies are also aborted.

    The Sex Pistols may have been a degenerate mess, and Lydon now says that Bodies was not specifically anti-abortion, well the lyrics say otherwise. Worse, he secretly married a mother figure in his youth, and kept it secret with the connivance of British press until very recently.

    I still lile to belt out Bodies when performng karaoke.

    If you have not read the words, they are interesting. Sure, a further increase in abortion in sparsely among semi- or sub-hnmans would be great, but abortion destroys a soul, would the rabbit-lile darkie-breeders cnntinue it, they have more gibsmedat to share among fewer dysiunctionals.

  147. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Eh.

    This review is lame and takes itself too seriously.

    This was an origin story. Joker is just getting his groove by the end of the movie. The sequel, if they ever make one, would show Joker being more charismatic and narcissistic.

  148. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “And yet, without doubt, you are indeed a stupid, carping, liberal s**thead.”

    LOL, not even in the slightest. Try again.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  149. Che Guava says:
    @Abbybwood

    I never watched it. How many hours of your time do you waste by watching it all again?

  150. Corvinus says:
    @roo_ster

    “Normie, you are not. Ed Duton has your number: spiteful mutant.”

    Normie, I am. You’ve been reading way too many comic books, my white friend.

  151. Ruprecht says:

    What does it say about our society when we’re left to debate the philosophical content of a freakin’ Hollywood comic book movie? Is this the best pop culture can do? Saddest thing is the average over-entertained mouth-breathing pop culture consumer will see this – or any other Hollywood abomination – and truly believe he’s participating in something intellectual.

    Maybe we’re the culmination of multiple generations that have spent too much goddamn time going to movies, taking movies seriously, reading comic books, confusing comic books with real literature or real philosophy, listening to idiot rock stars, and absorbing an elementary school level worldview passed down from pop culture.

    It seems we really have become a society of douchebags:

    https://theredfootedbooby.com/2019/09/23/generation-douchebag-how-gen-x-became-the-baby-boomers-bottom-bitch/

    Let’s just call it what it is.

  152. “I find it very odd, to take comic book character seriously, and then even drag Nietzsche in!Comic books were meant to be just entertainment for children up to 12 years!”

    The seriel 2 penny comic was not merely for entertainment. Far from it, it was and remains a artifact about right and wrong. It told stories about good guys and bad guys sometimes they could be gals. The also were designed to reinforce norms of right behavior that included lessons on the how the system operated or should operate. It also was among that group of literature that reinforced the notions of conspiratorial menaces threatening “goodness”.

    The only difference today is that the artifact is reflecting the conflicts of cognitive dissonance about who is the hero in systems where “black and white” morality is not what it seems. Hence something as ridiculous as Batman killing Superman, because he sets an ideal that is unreachable and therefore must be destroyed.

    Missing the point entirely, that the idea is what one strives for as a means of push back against the dark.

  153. @Miro23

    IMO the writers/producers of Joker aimed to use the standard Russian Bolshevik model with edgy Antifa heroes, whereas they’ve come to realize (too late) that the audience really see the Jokers as Deplorables in masks. Hence the critical acclaim quickly morphing into critical rejection.

    Win some, lose more. the leadership of the third and fourth generation s after a revolution have trouble hitting the ground with their hats. That and balancing a budget.

    Counterinsurgency

  154. Richard P says:
    @awry

    Homosexuality and transgenderism are sinful, deviant behaviors. They’re degenerative as homosexuals and transgendered can’t procreate — thus they’re not generative. Furthermore, the aforementioned behaviors are self-serving and unorthodox as they’re incompatible with Orthodox Christianity.

    Religious reasons aside, homosexuality and transgenderism are degenerative and self-serving behaviors that shouldn’t be tolerated to any capacity. They’re a product of our highly sexualized environment and an indicator of blatant individualism — a modernistic cancer that Evola warned us about.

    • Replies: @Nodwink
  155. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeofSwords

    Yiddish vocabulary is about 80% German, with most of the rest being Hebrew or Slavic. To a large extent German and Yiddish are mutually intelligible. Abstract, religious or emotionally loaded concepts tend to be Hebrew, such as mishpokhah meaning “family”, and some of the German-origin words have changed meaning from modern German, so Yiddish teykh or “lake” is the cognate of German Teich, which now means “pond”. “Lake” in Yiddish can also be the Slavic ozere.
    In Blazing Saddles, Mel Brooks plays a Yiddish-speaking Indian chief. I first saw it at a school night (it was obviously decided that 15-year-olds could handle the film’s more risqué material). I remember someone else in my German class wondering, “Why is he speaking German?”

    • Replies: @Hail
  156. ia says:
    @Corvinus

    The reality is that I am a white married man of European descent with children who makes my own decisions about race and culture. We are…Normies.

    Nice try. Your wife’s Arab/Muslim and I suspect you converted. Right? If so, you’ve got a lot of . . . issues. Foremost, being dishonest.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  157. Logan says:
    @Alden

    Vigilantes only worked when they had a very well-defined purpose and targets and promptly disbanded after.

    When they didn’t, the situation invariably deteriorated into score-settling not directly related to criminality, and usually resulted in the formation of an anti-vigilante group, often calling themselves Regulators, with something like a low-grade civil war ensuing.

    There have been a lot more episodes like this in American history than most people realize, starting long before the Revolution.

    • Replies: @Richard P
  158. Richard P says:
    @Logan

    …and usually resulted in the formation of an anti-vigilante group, often calling themselves Regulators, with something like a low-grade civil war ensuing.

    Like Billy the Kid in Young Guns? That was a great film with an epic ending.

    • Replies: @Logan
  159. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Evidently – based on every insipid cliche you utter here – you are. If you don’t want to be thought of as as a stupid, carping, liberal s**head, don’t act like one – or be one.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  160. SFG says:

    Nobody thought to comment on the director’s own expressed opinions? He said himself he was criticizing ‘woke’ culture:

    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/todd-phillips-left-comedy-joker-woke-culture-1202177886/

    He’s obviously not a white nationalist, but he seems as sick of the PC patrol as anyone…

    • Replies: @Trevor Lynch
  161. @Corvinus

    I was agreeing with you that race mixing and cerebral palsy have nothing in common. Nothing natural or wholesome about race mixing anymore than pouring raw sewage into pure water is natural and wholesome.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  162. Whatever anyone else thinks about the Joker film, it’s a safe bet that Mr. Joquin Pheonix, cast, crew, and director are smiling all the way to the bank.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/

    What I wouldn’t give to have a one liner

    laugh.

  163. @Anonymous

    My comment was about Hoffman, not Bronson.
    Bronson was an intimidating guy. I didn’t even buy him as a reporter in Messenger of Death.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  164. @SFG

    Nobody thought to comment on the director’s own expressed opinions? He said himself he was criticizing ‘woke’ culture:

    He said that he stopped doing comedy because of political correctness. He did not say that Joker is criticizing political correctness. And basically everything about this movie is Left-liberal to PC in its outlook.

  165. Alden says:
    @awry

    I’m with you on race mixing treason. Saw a picture of Tiger and Elle Wood’s teen daughter in the internet. Elle is the epitome of perfect Nordic beauty. As is usual, the daughter looks like her father. Dark and his unattractive face.

    Heidi Kkum’s black daughter has a very pretty face now but she’s still a child. Pretty children sometimes grew up not so pretty. She’s dark and her hair is extremely thick and frizzy. Hair that thick is hard to style . Heidi’s White daughter is a drop dead blonde beauty.

    Another 5o years of affirmative action and all we’ll have left is our looks. We won’t be able to use our intelligence talents and skills because of affirmative action. We won’t be able to invest because of affirmative action imposed poverty. We’ll be untouchables. But we’ll still have our beauty if we breed true.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  166. @Stogumber

    “This wouldn’t bode well for the United States. Of course, at present a lot of the New Left would like to see the States as a chaotic society which forms destructive fascist personalities.”

    What we see in the progressive movement and today’s Democratic Party are the descendants of the 60s and 70s mostly white and middle class New Left. We see this particularly in the cultural Marxist use of race. The Bonnie and Clyde of the New Left, Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers, used the anti-war movement (a legitimate grievance) to mask their obsession with black people. They and their comrades developed the strange sacralization of blacks we witness today in media, culture, and academia.

    The societal chaos you mention is probably a mix of organic and synthetic triggers. Organic: racially diverse societies tend to be low trust and high tension. Synthetic: the effort to flood Western (white) societies with non-white and non-Christian migrants who have ingrained hostility towards Europeans and Blanco-Americans (some of their hostility is warranted given how our elites have financially plundered their countries; how our militaries wreaked death and destruction in their lands whilst reaping corporate profits).

    You also mention fascism. These descendants of the New Left are wired into the vampiric financial sector and aligned with intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA. This allegiance to the security state was cemented during the illiberal Obama-Holder regime. What I see is not fascism of the kind that emitted from the Cheney Regency, but a move towards Chinese-style authoritarianism: a bloated elite hostile to the free-flow of ideas, a managerial class in media and government that carries out their edicts, and a surveillance state for the rest of us. A mixture of crony capitalism and totalitarianism.

    • Agree: Flint Clint, Alden, sayless
  167. @Chris Mallory

    Charles Bronson was highly effective as a watermelon-grower who runs afoul of organized crime goons in Mr. Majestyk (1974).

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  168. Che Guava says:
    @Christo

    I didn’t finish my post on Trevor’ Joker thread, nnt re-editing it in time for thiis site’s timeout. The last part, I meant to say that in both the film and the book of American Psybho</i>, there is a suggestion thait much was imaginary. More subtle in the book, but handled well in the film, too.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  169. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    What this makes me wonder — besides the obvious question of how Dutton et al. pull this stuff out of their asses without cracking up — is about the reliability of the journal Evolutionary Psychological Science itself. I wasn’t able to find any meta-analysis of EPS’s reliability online; that sort of self-policing by academia is sorely lacking. But this paper has all the hallmarks of a pay-to-play publication in a journal that honestly doesn’t give a flying fuck about the study’s quality. It’s hard to imagine any study that cites The Jesus Tribune making it into Science, for example. — Skeptophilia

  170. @Kent Nationalist

    At least it’s fun to speculate about what the people who went in expecting an ordinary comicbook film were thinking

    My wife was actually expecting something much closer to a conventional comic book film, but she has weird tastes (hence her decision to be married to yours truly), and so she was pleasantly surprised. I’ll bet some were decidedly not.

  171. @follyofwar

    …I can no longer stand anything with the FOUL MOUTH Robert DeNiro…that over-the-hill bum…

    I share your general assessment of De Niro. But as an actor, he is good in this film.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  172. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If any other German speakers are reading this, your input would be appreciated.

    As someone who reads German, the name Fleck reminded me at first of Dreck, a word meaning something highly undesirable, dirt or filth or the like; maybe Dreck is literally “filthy dirt” but it seems to be usually used metaphorically. See phrases with Dreck at a German-English dictionary (scroll down). This would fit with the character in Joker and certainly with Trevor Lynch’s negative interpretation of the character in this review.

    But the name is not Dreck, it is Fleck.

    I note that one of the translations of “bruise” in German is “blauer Fleck.”

    As for Arthur, “[the name’s] popularity derives from its being the name of the legendary hero King Arthur” (wiki). So we have a heroic name followed by a probably-negative name.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  173. Hail says: • Website
    @ThreeofSwords

    It is possible the character’s name here is a reference to another fictional Fleck. The only such Fleck listed in the wiki is a Kernel Fleck, one of the main characters and narrators in the book series called The Demonata (published 2005 to 2009).

    The series centers around three protagonists: Grubitsch “Grubbs” Grady, Cornelius “Kernel” Fleck and Bec MacConn. Although they meet each other at various points, they are from separate times; Grubbs lives in the present day, Kernel in the 1970s and Bec in around 450AD. The books detail their fight against the demon master Lord Loss, his many demon familiars and the mysterious Shadow, who promises to destroy the human universe and to even stop death. Together with The Disciples, the main characters thwart the Demonata’s attempts at world destruction multiple times.

    In favor of this theory, Kernel Fleck and Arthur Fleck are both assigned to about the same time (1970s/1980s).

    Then this surprising tidbit: A character in the second book in the series, the first narrated by Fleck (a “lonely child”), is a kidnapped child named — Art [!]. Art is the younger brother of Kernel Fleck.

    Fleck then must confront dark forces of evil to rescue Art.

    A parallel with Arthur Fleck of this Joker movie suddenly seem likely.

    [MORE]

    Kernel Fleck is a lonely child. He has always been different: he can see strange patches of light in the air around him. Other kids think he’s mad. But when he manages to link some of the lights together, he creates a window into another universe, and disappears for several days. When he returns, his memory completely blank, his panicked parents whisk Kernel and his younger brother, Art, away from their home, off to an isolated village, to start a new life.

    One year later, Kernel is enjoying himself. Life is good. Until one day a crazy old woman summons a demon. The beast slaughters many of the children, then kidnaps one of them and retreats back to its own universe. The child it has kidnapped is Art [i.e., Kernel Fleck’s younger brother].

    Can Kernel find the courage to step through the window after the demon in a desperate attempt to rescue his brother? And if so, what wonders and terrors will he discover in the barbaric universe of the evil, twisted Demonata?

  174. I’m not interested in seeing it in a theater –I’ll catch up on disc– but unlike a lot of posters I’m not rooting against it either. It did very well and apparently the market is right there for any Joker/super hero flick.

    “Joker” is the largest opening for Warner Bros. this year as well as one of the biggest openings for a R-rated film. It made $234 million worldwide.

    And, there was apparently no violence anywhere surrounding the showings. Good news. Maybe the crackpots were too excited about viewing the film to plan anything bad around it.

  175. Fredrika says:
    @Trevor Lynch

    “Setting is early 1980s, but everything in the apartment looks much older.”

    It would, because if you live in an apartment in 1980, it would be full of items from the 1970s or older. Movie makers often make the mistake of making their films historically correct by filling a street in movie about, say the JFK murder, with shining 1963 models. But there would be lots of cars from the 1940s and forward.

    • Agree: Alden
  176. @Anonymous

    Paul Kersey was liberal but not a peacenik.

    He’d suffered a childhood trauma when his parent was killed in a hunting accident. He served in the Army Medical corps in World War II and then in Korea again as a medical corpsmen. That is two wars. Its clear from Hawaii that he is in incredible shape for a guy in his early fifties.

    Also, he does not get hysterical when the criminals inflict damage on him. He is slashed by the black guy in the shoulder in DEATH WISH. He is shot and gets up and follows one of the criminals.

    The vicious PCP-smoking hippies in DEATH WISH II really get some cracks in. They hit him with a crowbar and knock him unconscious and give him a bit of a kicking before the Mexican maid tries to call the cops and is killed. The black rapist Jiver hot wires a forklift and runs into him. Nirvana slashes him with a knife while high and then stabs Bronson repeatedly with a scalpel in the hospital.

    Paul does not get that upset over his own wounds. If he were a wimp he would have probably stopped when the black guy slashed him in DEATH WISH. He’s fairly resilient.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  177. @SunBakedSuburb

    Actually, I could buy Bronson as Majestyk the Polish farmer who’d been a POW in Korea and did some jail time for a bar brawl.

    He was believable as Majestyk, a beer-guzzling senorita-screwing Polish-American vet.

    As a swishy NYC Jewish architect….not so much.

  178. Nodwink says:
    @Dennis Gannon

    Fictional characters are pretty easy to ignore, if you aren’t part of the fandom.

  179. Nodwink says:
    @Richard P

    Homosexuality is fairly normal. Christianity, on the other hand, is a brief phenomenon, on its way to the dustbin of history.

  180. @Pat Hannagan

    Can’t believe how horribly wrong and perverse Trevor Lynch’s reading of the movie is, which reflects somewhat more on himself than this masterpiece. Lynch obviously inhabits a different world to the one we live in.

    If you’re into cartoon superhero childish stories, as I believe the dark knight goofball series is, then I suppose you’ll hate this as Lynch does.

    If you’re into a believable genesis story that has resonance in the world we live in today then Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is the one.

    Phoenix is simply brilliant in his portrayal of a mentally ill “loser”, as Gotham society and the likes of Trevor Lynch and Robert De Niro’s Murray Franklin term this lost soul, filling every scene with a profound sadness that plumbs depths of pathos that resonate with some (like myself) but not with others (like the MSM critics).

    I don’t see the movie promoting violence as a necessary reaction to Joker’s circumstances any more than Albert Camus’ The Rebel should be banned for making the case for the legitimate use of violence to defend oneself. The movie is a study in mental illness and how it is rooted, more often than not, in “society” and that mental illness may itself be a manifestation of a mentally ill society, as are ours and Gotham. The Joker is very much the product of the soulless and desolate Gotham, the sludge that pours through it’s sewers. Phoenix Joker is Gotham and Gotham deserves the Joker. One get’s the sense that the Joker here is the true hero come to “wash away the garbage and trash off the sidewalks” being the likes of the Thomas Wayne’s of this world.

    On that note, what a brilliant conception of the how Bruce Wayne and Joker become enemies.

    The intensity of the movie was similar to the recent Dunkirk, constantly present, constantly building, echoed in the musical score this time with the booming and winding cello that reminded one of T S Eliot’s Portrait of a Lady:

    Among the winding of the violins
    And the ariettes
    Of cracked cornets
    Inside my brain a dull tom-tom begins
    Absurdly hammering a prelude of its own,
    Capricious monotone
    That is at least one definite “false note.”

    All up this is well worth the price of entry with a lingering memory that will kick off repressed thought processes hopefully to produce something worthy of the life that should have been Arthur Fleck’s, but was brutally stolen from him by “society”.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
  181. Richard P says:
    @obwandiyag

    My thoughts exactly. And here we thought that limousine liberals were the epitome of hypocrites who often condradict themselves?

  182. Richard P says:
    @sayless

    I know and that’s what makes this matter worse. I pray that Dr. Mackereth wins his appeal and lawsuit.

  183. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory

    “Nothing natural or wholesome about race mixing anymore…”

    You do realize that YOU were the product of race mixing, right, lil’ Chief? You had stated earlier on another thread you can trace both sides of your ancestors who are English AND Native American. So are you ashamed about your own heritage as a half-breed? You shan’t be…

  184. Corvinus says:
    @ia

    “Nice try. Your wife’s Arab/Muslim and I suspect you converted. Right? If so, you’ve got a lot of . . . issues. Foremost, being dishonest.”

    Project much, Freud acolyte?

  185. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “If you don’t want to be thought of as as a stupid, carping, liberal s**head, don’t act like one – or be one.”

    You are projecting.

  186. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Well, he doesn’t convince me at any rate as a liberal architect in the early part of Death Wish, and he seems to have thought himself miscast for that.
    Contrast this with Chato’s Land (1972) a revenge Western in which he plays a half-Apache. He spends much of the film semi-naked and is ripped, pretty impressive for someone already over 50 at the time. He is totally convincing as someone who takes out a pursuing posse one by one.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  187. @ricpic

    Yeah, but he’s no Ricardo Montalban.

  188. @Anonymous

    Watch Bronson as a heroic, fresh-faced secret agent for the American government out to foil a madman (played by Vincent Price, naturally!) in the adaptation of Verne’s Master of the World. It’s as mesmerising as Jack Nicholson’s turn in The Terror (opposite Boris Karloff!).

  189. @Che Guava

    Che, I finally wrote my article on the 2 Japanese 9/11 victims:

    https://heresycentral.is/revusky/discreet-japanese/

    I think it’s an amusing read, but I now see that I’ll have to revise it somewhat, because I found information about 9/11 Taku that I had previously overlooked. It appears that he allegedly attended this high school: Yamaguchi Kenritsu Toyora High School 豊浦高校

    The alumni association is at http://toyora.net and it would be really great to get in touch with them and see if there is any information about this Taku. I am still quite convinced that this is a non-existent person, but it would be great to have some help tracking down any and all leads on this.

  190. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Indeed. MAd Men was careful about that. Someone on staff mentioned that people don’t go out and buy whole new wardrobes every time the decade turns.

  191. Amon says:
    @Trevor Lynch

    Yeah, because The Dark Knight isn’t a real movie

    Why are you accusing me of saying something that I have not said?

  192. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    “I’m with you on race mixing treason.”

    It’s not treason.

    We won’t be able to use our intelligence talents and skills because of affirmative action. We won’t be able to invest because of affirmative action imposed poverty. We’ll be untouchables.

    “But we’ll still have our beauty if we breed true.”

    Who is this “we”? Whites make their own decisions when it comes to dating and procreating. They certainly do not need your virtue signaling and elitist attitude.

    Now, on a related matter, another poster talked about how the Romans did not divide nations nor people into races. They employed a term, “gentus”, to designate peoples from the same vast geographical location, but not a particular race. The Romans noted biological characteristics, but noting them and creating categorizations based on them are two different things.

    I am very interested in you showing where where the Romans specifically divided human beings based on morphological or phenotypical traits. Do you have the requisite source material?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  193. Alden says:
    @Corvinus

    It is treason when the most beautiful Whites don’t marry and have children with other beautiful Whites.
    Didn’t you post that nonsense about gentus gentes and nationes under the name of Nick Diaz? FYI Nick Diaz, Nationes isn’t a Latin word. It’s not a word in any language.

    I shall now describe my late mother in law, my daughters and my husband with whom I created those daughters. 3 clones of Simonetta Vespucci and 1 male version of Simonetta. Sons look like my beautiful side of the family, think Mel Gibson with lighter hair and bigger blue eyes.

    No jews will ever match them, no matter how much cosmetic surgery and liposuction.

    Even your own collection of bloodthirsty massacre and genocide mentions that the Queen of Sheba was “black, but comely”

    You’re a laughable uneducated brainwashed Jew up against a highly educated WASP historian.

    FYI ugly old crow, nick Diaz, gentus is Latin for race as in black Africans European Whites Asians Gentes is Latin for people humans all humans in general. You should be ashamed to display your ignorance

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  194. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    In plain old english, a fleck is ‘a tiny mark or spot’, which presumably indicates the insignificance of the character.

    (Btw, swedish has ‘fläck’ pronounced the same as ‘fleck’, meaning ‘a spot’.)

    • Replies: @Hail
  195. Milton says:
    @Hail

    Well, the Antichrist will be Jewish, possessed, charismatic and will be a man of violence, come in the mold of the proto-Zionists/proto-SJW’s Simon Bar Giora, Eleazar Ben Simon and John of Giscala.

    The Joker is not suffering from depression, he’s suffering from generational curses and possession, some of which is brought on by his practicing of “sex magik” (hinted at in the film where it is implied Arthur is a porn addict). Some of his poverty and hardship is indeed the result of an unjust economic system, but just as much is the consequence of his own personal sin, which brings a curse upon him not a blessing. The Joker could have been a great Saint had he embraced the Cross.

  196. Logan says:
    @Richard P

    Haven’t seen that movie, but the Billy the Kid situation was a fairly classic example.

  197. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    “It is treason when the most beautiful Whites don’t marry and have children with other beautiful Whites.”

    You are being silly. There is no betraying one’s country when whites makes their own personal decision to join in holy matrimony and sire offspring with non-whites. It’s clearly none of your business.

    “Didn’t you post that nonsense about gentus gentes and nationes under the name of Nick Diaz?”

    No. Nick Diaz is a separate poster.

    “FYI Nick Diaz, Nationes isn’t a Latin word. It’s not a word in any language.”

    I am not Nick. And actually “nationes” is a word.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nationes

    “I shall now describe my late mother in law, my daughters and my husband with whom I created those daughters. 3 clones of Simonetta Vespucci and 1 male version of Simonetta.”

    That is wonderful that you think highly of your kin, but anyone can say anything on the Internet. You would have to offer visual evidence to confirm.

    “No jews will ever match them, no matter how much cosmetic surgery and liposuction.”

    That’s really your opinion.

    “Even your own collection of bloodthirsty massacre and genocide mentions that the Queen of Sheba was “black, but comely””

    You are mistaking me for someone else.

    “You’re a laughable uneducated brainwashed Jew up against a highly educated WASP historian.”

    First, I am goy, pure goy. Second, it is more than likely you are not what you say you are.

    “FYI ugly old crow, nick Diaz, gentus is Latin for race as in black Africans European Whites Asians Gentes is Latin for people humans all humans in general.”

    Actually, genus is Latin for race. In ancient Rome, a gens, plural gentes, was a family consisting of all those individuals who shared the same nomen and who claimed descent from a common ancestor.

    • Replies: @Alden
  198. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    You are projecting.

    No, I am observing.

    And you are indeed a stupid s**thead

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  199. Hail says: • Website
    @Pericles

    Of all the English words to accomplish that, why choose the one that is a Jewish surname?

    _____________

    Another possibility is a(n at least partial) reference to a past director, Jacob Fleck:

    Austrian Jews Jacob and Luise Fleck (born 1880s, died 1950s) were a husband-and-wife team of Jewish movie director- producers active in Berlin in the Weimar Republic era. Jacob was interned at Dachau concentration camp in 1938 for 16 months, presumably for political activities, then released. In early 1940 they emigrated to Shanghai. They made lots of movies.

    It’s possible Jewish Hollywood people like Scott Silver (writer) and Todd Philips (director and producer) were aware of this man and the name is a partial reference.

    _____________

    I still think the strongest possibility yet is that it is a reference to Kernel Fleck, one of the main characters and narrators in the book series called The Demonata [comment 174 above], in which Fleck, the protagonist, confronts demons to rescue a kidnapped child named named Art.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Feric Jaggar
  200. Alden says:
    @Corvinus

    “ Actually, genus is Latin for race.” So you admit there is a Latin word for races.

    That’s exactly what I wrote to Nick Diaz and you.

    Gentes all humans people in general. Gentus is Latin for race.

  201. Alden says:
    @Corvinus

    My source material

    My parents library now dispersed to their descendants

    Greene Library Palo Alto Ca

    Young Research Library Los Angeles Ca

    I don’t do Wikipedia. That’s for ignorant Jews like you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  202. @Pat Hannagan

    Further to the above, I’m flabbergasted that Lynch’s review completely missed the pivotal moment of the movie: when we along with Arthur suddenly realise that he was not only adopted but also the victim of childhood abuse of a brutal nature, including sexual abuse at the hands of his mother’s partner/s. Arthur himself probably suffering from repressed memories of the ordeals typical of sexual assault survivors.

    When Arthur steals his mother’s file from Arkham and confirms Wayne’s story, he does not apologize to Wayne.

    Did Trevor fall asleep at this moment? Apologising to that arsehole Wayne would be the last thing on his mind. Arthur Fleck is the victim of childhood sexual abuse ffs!

    Note the usage of convicted pedophile Gary Glitter’s Rock and Rock Part II when Arthur transitions into Joker symbolically descending the stairs, not only into the gutter of Gotham resiling himself to his fate, but also descending into madness.

    The symbol of the stairs is a reference throughout to Arthur’s daily grind to raise himself up, transcending the streets of Gotham to his grimy home with his crazy mum battling to keep himself sane and at least in the present.

    The joy Arthur feels, dressed in red dancing, is one of release from the battle of sanity. I note that Anglin missed this aspect as well in his fantastic review. Though I agree with Anglin that it would have been good to have some inkling as to how Arthur becomes a criminal mastermind, unlike Anglin’s take mental illness is not something that positive thinking can resolve. True mental illness that is and not the knee-jerk naming of anything not servile to Globohomo’s requirements as a mental illness and treated with pharmaceuticals (like ADHD with Ritalin Adderall etc)

    (https://people.com/movies/joaquin-phoenix-surprises-joker-movie-audience-director-todd-phillips/)

    What makes the movie so good is that people such as me, who are typically *not* fans of cartoon movies designed for teens, can appreciate this movie; because it can be understood and appreciated without any reference to the goofy batman saga and all the arcane fanboy knowledge that entails.

    Lynch has missed the constant references by Arthur to himself as a “little boy”, his usage of talking through his hand like a puppet with a high pitched voice – symbolic of dissociation typical of victims of childhood sexual abuse. This behaviour is similar to that of Danny Torrance who talks to his imaginary friend Tony which is “his own crooked finger in an eerie, croaking voice”. Danny of course was a victim of his alcoholic father’s sexual abuse, a theme of the movie.

    It’s interesting to note not only Trevor Lynch’s criticism of Arthur as a “loser”, and on that basis Lynch’s rejection of Arthur as worthy of empathy or sympathy, and how that is reflected in the movie’s constant point that it is this rejection of Arthur as a loser which makes him “invisible” to the world, but also how this seems to be the main point of all the MSM critics who reject the movie based on their distaste for Arthur as a “loser”. An instance of art imitating life?

    There is so much more to reflect on this movie; it warrants a repeat viewing to distill further meaning but at least it should be pointed out that Trevor Lynch’s review is an abysmal attempt to grasp the matter before him rather than seek to project his own anxieties onto a work of fiction and is in fact a disservice to the Unz readership. I give it half a star for at least having a working keyboard and classify it along with The Root’s sad attempt at the same.

    (https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/tiff-2019-joker-is-a-white-man-1838038559)

    The Joker as a movie can be appreciated without any reference to the Batman comic book series and is a work of genius brought to life by Joaquin Phoenix’s brilliant portrayal of the adult victim of childhood sexual assault and physical abuse, brought up fatherless by an insane mother in a city that has ceased to have the human empathy to care for its people, and that man’s descent into madness.

  203. Talha says:

    Yaaasss!

    Peace.

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  204. Hail says: • Website

    [Joker] is firmly leftist in its sympathies…a social-justice morality tale.” — Jim Goad

    More political analysis of Joker from Jim Goad:

    [MORE]

    Maybe I was napping, but not once throughout the film do I remember it being made a point that Arthur is white. But over and over again it’s emphasized that he’s a victim of the strong, the sane, and the wealthy.

    Even the fact that he’s an incel plays less of an integral role in his character than those depicted by Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver and King of Comedy. It’s clear that Arthur finally snaps after a society which has attempted to beat the life out of a mentally ill man forces him to start beating back. At bottom, it’s a social-justice morality tale.

  205. @Pat Hannagan

    There was no indication of childhood sexual abuse in the movie.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    , @Yevardian
  206. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    Of all the English words to accomplish that, why choose the one that is a Jewish surname?

    “Why not both?” That is, he’s an insignificant Jew.

    I’ve never heard of the books you mention, so no real idea how well that fits.

  207. @Talha

    The brave Afgani mujahideen, fighting to preserve Globo-Islamo-Homo-Man-Boy-Love-Thursdays, Yaaasss!!!!!

    • Replies: @Talha
  208. @Trevor Lynch

    It’s not stated outright but is implied with plenty of indication as I already noted:

    * The medical records file detailed that he suffered horrific abuse at the hands of one of his mother’s partners. Physical abuse of children is often accompanied by sexual abuse. We aren’t privy to all the details but going by the broken soul we see one can put two-and-two together.

    I don’t recall this particular part but his mother “tried to burn him alive as a child”

    https://observer.com/2019/10/joker-review-joaquin-phoenix-rex-reed/

    * There is a high rate of sexual assault of children of single mothers compared to two parent families

    * He displays dissociative behaviour common to survivors of child sexual assault

    * He has a faulty and untrustworthy memory probably indicative of repressed memory

    * He refers to himself several times as a “little boy”

    * There’s the shout out to Kubrik’s Danny of the Shining with the puppet hand as stated above. Danny’s sexual assault by his father is the underpinning theme of the movie version.

    * There’s the Rock and Roll II reference by the notorious homosexual pedophile Gary Glitter – a major clue by the director that wasn’t subtle as a brick. The director knew he would be called out for using Glitter’s song and paying the royalties to a pedo in the age of Woke as he himself noted. It’s a deliberate choice of song and artist. Why this song and artist?

    * There’s the troubled sexuality and effeminate behaviour

    * He’s quite clearly insane – not just in need of a positive pep-talk and some Tony Robbins seminars. Something caused that insanity.

    I’m sure a second viewing, which this movie more than warrants, will glean vastly more clues. What we do know for a fact is that his mother was insane and harmed her boy, she had at least one partner who physically abused him quite brutally, he suffers from a brain injury (from that abuse?), he has a faulty memory and delusional memory.

    The movie would suffer somewhat if the sexual assalt were detailed in some sort of straightforward expositional device. The Shining didn’t sledgehammer Danny’s sexual abuse home but delivered the message through imagery.

    This movie is far more profound than your superficial take which I get the impression is derived from you hoping for something very different to what you got and have thus imposed your own narrative on the movie.

  209. Talha says:
    @Bombercommand

    No that was the US Army, by its own admission:
    “The Taliban made the practice punishable by death, but bacha bazi has been resurrected since the fall of the Taliban.”
    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/2015-10-30qr.pdf

    Yaaaasss, queen!!! Our tax dollars at work!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  210. Corvinus says:
    @Alden

    Stop stalling. Show us where the Romans specifically divided human beings based on morphological or phenotypical traits. Your alleged academic chops depends upon it.

    “I don’t do Wikipedia. That’s for ignorant Jews like you.”

    Do you enjoy vigorously pressing the “Anyone who opposes my line of thinking I will label a Jew, even though they are not Jewish” button?

    That’s right, I almost forgot. Thanks, Mrs. “I’ve read hundreds of thousands of history books in my life time.” Remember when you made that tall claim and have yet to offer evidence to prove it?

    Let us take a stroll down memory lane. One could assume that besides history books, you have read non-history books. I gather you are retired. So, for fun, let us assume that you are 80 years old AND you began reading at age 4 since you were a prodigy. 76 x 365 = 27740 days of your life. Let us now assume you read 200000 HISTORY books, since that was YOUR claim. 200000 divided by 27740 = 7.20. So, your average number of books a day is 7.

    Considering that the average number of books people read over the course of a year is 12…

    For the sake of argument, let us say the books you read averaged 100 pages, which would be on the low end. That would be 700 pages to read in a day. Consider that the average reading speed is 200-250 words a minute for non-technical material, (roughly 2 minutes per page). But assuming you were that prodigy, I will grant you for non-technical AND technical material, you would average 1 page in two minutes and meaningfully comprehend the information. That would mean 30 pages in 60 minutes/1 hour.

    Do you see where the math is leading us? Had you stated that you read thousands of history books in your lifetime, while highly unlikely, at least this possibility is more digestible than your claim of reading hundreds of thousands of history books.

  211. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I just saw the film yesterday, and disagree on DeNiro. He was far too old for the part. Wouldn’t it have been a lot more fun to have cast Stephen Colbert, and then watch his head get blown off?

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  212. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “No, I am observing.”

    Clearly you are doubling down on projection.

    “And you are indeed a stupid s**thead”

    LOL. Like your boy toy Beefcake the Mighty, you are a one trick pony.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  213. @follyofwar

    Wouldn’t it have been a lot more fun to have cast Stephen Colbert, and then watch his head get blown off?

    LOL, you’ll get no argument from me on that point.

  214. Yngvar says:

    …reeking of cigarettes…

    How do you know?

  215. JimDandy says:

    God, this is just as bad as reading a review (and comments) on Salon, or something. Half of you who ripping on this movie are projecting your own political obsessions on this film, and half of you haven’t even seen it. It’s a great movie, an intense character study and a valid critique of society. The plutocracy is held up as a villain, but the Antifa-type mobs are not glamorized. Neither is the Joker himself.

    I had a feeling it was going to be a very good movie, so I deliberately avoided reading anything about it before seeing it. It’s an unpleasant work of art. I’m still thinking about it.

    What is the point of reviews, again? This experience made me forget.

    • Replies: @Hail
  216. Hail says: • Website
    @JimDandy

    The plutocracy is held up as a villain, but the Antifa-type mobs are not glamorized. Neither is the Joker himself.

    I would say Arthur Fleck is depicted as a mainly-sympathetic character; that may not qualify as “glamorized,” whatever you intend that to mean, but it is a positive depiction. In other words, audience members are led into rooting for Arthur Fleck to a great extent, despite his many negative qualities and even despite his killing spree; residual audience sympathy likely lasts to the end.

    It’s a great movie, an intense character study and a valid critique of society.

    It’s fair to say that Trevor Lynch dislike the movie specifically because it is not a good character study of the character that we have known as the Joker foe years now. Maybe it’s some kind of good character study of an anonymous person named Arthur Fleck. But there was just a lot here that didn’t fit with the previous Joker character, nor with the previous Gotham political narrative as shown in the Christopher Nolan Batman films.

    I am not a comic book fan (or comic-based movie fan), but it is understandable why some are annoyed, and why Trevor Lynch was annoyed.

    See Trevor Lynch’s reviews of:

    Batman Begins (2005),
    The Dark Knight (2008), and
    The Dark Night Rises (2012).

    e.g., this from the Dark Knight review:

    [MORE]

    Philosophizing with Dynamite

    The true star of The Dark Knight is Heath Ledger as the Joker. The Joker is a Nietzschean philosopher. In the opening scene, he borrows Nietzsche’s aphorism, “Whatever doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger,” giving it a twist: “I believe whatever doesn’t kill you, simply makes you . . . stranger.” Following Nietzsche, who philosophized with a hammer, the Joker philosophizes with knives as well as “dynamite, gunpowder, and . . . . gasoline!”

    Yes, he is a criminal. A ruthless and casual mass murderer, in fact. But he believes that “Gotham deserves a better class of criminal, and I’m going to give it to them. . . . It’s not about money. It’s about sending a message. Everything burns.” In this, the Joker is not unlike another Nietzschean philosopher, the Unabomber, who philosophized with bombs because he too wanted to send a message.

  217. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Homosexual insinuations? That your game………….Nancy?

    Well, you are a flaming a**hole, you stupid little man.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  218. JimDandy says:

    “I would say Arthur Fleck is depicted as a mainly-sympathetic character; that may not qualify as “glamorized,” whatever you intend that to mean, but it is a positive depiction. In other words, audience members are led into rooting for Arthur Fleck to a great extent, despite his many negative qualities and even despite his killing spree; residual audience sympathy likely lasts to the end.”

    I saw it as a very dark, personal, somewhat expressionistic work. I think viewers (some, anyway) find themselves pulling for Fleck, hoping things work out for him, but are not, say, leaping up and fist-bumping other moviegoers when he murders his mother. By “glamorized” I meant glamorized:

    glam·or·ize
    /ˈɡlaməˌrīz/
    Learn to pronounce
    verb
    past tense: glamorized; past participle: glamorized
    make (something) seem glamorous or desirable, especially spuriously so.

    glam·or·ous
    /ˈɡlam(ə)rəs/
    Learn to pronounce
    adjective
    adjective: glamorous
    having glamour.
    “one of the world’s most glamorous women”

    “It’s fair to say that Trevor Lynch dislike the movie specifically because it is not a good character study of the character that we have known as the Joker foe years now.”

    Actually, he begins his critique entirely independent of that context:

    “the character he brings to life isn’t compelling. He’s just a repulsive loser.”

    I agree that he was a”loser” but I found his character quite compelling, as did millions of other people. Art is experienced and judged in the realm of the emotions. I don’t care one bit about Lynch’s personal revulsion for the character, and I suspect it is, on some level, ideologically-based. His opinion irritates me, but I ultimately don’t care, and, as I wrote in my original post, I was left wondering what the purpose of these kinds of reviews really is. Maybe they benefit viewers who see the movie with an open mind, and THEN shop around for the reviews that best articulate the way they genuinely felt about it?

  219. @Anonymous

    I thought Jack Palance looked pretty tough in that film for a 55 year old. I was waiting for him and Bronson to go mano-a-mano but the film was supposed to be a Vietnam allegory so this never happened. Strangely enough, CHATO’S LAND makes a pretty good allegory for Afghanistan as well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  220. @Hail

    “Of all the English words to accomplish that, why choose the one that is a Jewish surname?”

    Just as a point of information — Arthur Fleck wasn’t born as Arthur Fleck in the movie but was adopted by a psychotic woman named Penny Fleck who allowed him to be assaulted by her boyfriends. If Fleck is supposed to be a Jewish name in the film then it reflects very poorly upon the Js. It insinuates that the Joker was driven mad by growing up in an environment designed (dominated) by a J (not his kin) who did not have his best interests at heart and permitted (encouraged) his abuse at the hands of those also unrelated to him.

  221. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Well, you are a flaming a**hole, you stupid little man.”

    More “get off my lawn commentary” and projection on your part.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  222. @Talha

    Wrong. US Army soldiers tried to interfere with the boy diddling, but were finally ordered to stand down as Anthropologists advised that boy diddling is endemic and universaly pervasive in muslim societies and interfering with it is as futile as Sisyphus trying to get that rock up a hill. The Taliban “ban”? You’re a hoot. The Taliban ban it publically while themselves diddling boys in private. That’s the nature of the obscene muslim cult: public displays of being right, righteous, and holy as a disguise to cover their slimy sleazyness. As a female friend once sagely remarked “Islam creates really creepy men”.

    • Replies: @Talha
  223. Talha says:
    @Bombercommand

    US Army soldiers tried to interfere with the boy diddling, but were finally ordered to stand down

    Yes, they were ordered to stand down by their military command – again, US military owns that one.

    Anthropologists advised that boy diddling is endemic and universaly pervasive in muslim societies

    LOOOL!!! Citation that “boy diddling is endemic and universaly pervasive in muslim societies”? Do you have any? This is something that is known to happen in parts of Pashtun culture, like forced inheritance of widows – both of which the Taliban quashed.

    The Taliban ban it publically while themselves diddling boys in private.

    I’m sure some of them did, same as some cops are corrupt and take bribes in the West (see LA Rampart division for instance) – doesn’t mean that it is policy or endemic.

    What we do know is that the Taliban came to power partially because they stopped warlords from kidnapping and raping children. They were not only strict about the law, but often brutal in its application. Everyone that has done serious research into this (like the Congressional Research Service) already knows that:
    “The Taliban strongly oppose bacha bazi, and had largely eradicated it when they controlled the country. A former Marine who had served in Afghanistan noted that the Taliban have used reports of rapes committed by government agents as a recruiting tool.231 The current Afghan government, after initially failing to address bacha bazi, has pledged to tackle the problem.232 The Department of State’s 2018 Trafficking in Persons report creditsthe Ghani Government with some strides toward criminalizing bacha bazi and enforcing those laws, but the practice continues to be widespread.233”
    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R45818.pdf

    “‘Like it or not, there was better rule of law under the Taliban,’ said Dee Brillenburg Wurth, a child-protection expert at the U.N. mission in Afghanistan, who has sought to persuade the government to address the problem. ‘They saw it as a sin, and they stopped a lot of it.’…In Kandahar during the mid-1990s, the Taliban was born in part out of public anger that local commanders had married bachas and were engaging in other morally licentious behavior….During the Taliban era, men suspected of having sex with men or boys were executed. In the late 1990s, amid the group’s repressive reign, the practice of bacha bazi went underground. The fall of the Taliban government in late 2001 and the flood of donor money that poured into Afghanistan revived the phenomenon.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afganistans-dancing-boys-are-invisible-victims/2013/12/30/bb8e8a5a-7c2b-11e1-8f65-4cbb23028e62_story.html?utm_term=.01fc128c5a4a

    In fact the Taliban have been able to work with these abused kids in order to exploit vulnerabilities in Afghan (para)military command (you know, our allies that we arm with our tax dollars):
    “Powerful police commanders — who should be the ones disciplining the perpetrators — are themselves kidnapping boys. That leaves no hope for the stricken families in a system with no specific law against bacha bazi, no mechanism for redress and apparently no official will to act against abusive policemen who are seen as the lesser of two evils in the fight against the Taliban….”Often the only escape for enslaved bachas is to make a deal with the Taliban: ‘Liberate me and I will help you get my abuser’s head and weapons’,” the official added, referring to insider attacks.”
    https://correspondent.afp.com/behind-shame-and-silence

    As a female friend once sagely remarked “Islam creates really creepy men”.

    Meh – everyone has opinions.

    Now while you speculate and opine about the Taliban without any citation, we know what is going on in the West in full public view with bacha pozzi:

    If the West creates better men, why haven’t they stopped this by now? This is in public and people are posting videos of it to the world.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Alden
  224. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    “Projection” seems to be your new favorite word. Is that from Words with Friends – difficult as it is to imagine that you have any.

    No, there is no projection here, a**hat. Just pointing out that you are a prating idiot.

  225. Lurker says:
    @Trevor Lynch

    Thats actually good set design then. Often the problem of screen homes set in 1960, 1970, 1980 or whenever is they look like they’re full of stuff from 1960, 1970, 1980 or whenever. In reality most homes are have at least some clutter from one’s own past, parents, grandparents etc rather than the current year.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  226. Franz says:

    All the right people hate Joker, so I guess I’ll be seeing this one.

    Not on a big screen, I won’t pay for any H-Wood pictures, but I’ll see it.

    Someone mentions the movie is a fictional 80s but actually a Jewish fantasy 20s-30s.

    Clue needed here: For the American working class, the 80s were the Greater Depression the banksters had been working on since their CIA agent Bill Buckley created the new, improved, police-state friendly “dollar conservatism” of Milton Friedman, et al. As the guy put it, “Kindler, gentler machine-gun hand.” Ever hear of Downsizing and Generation Out? Happened then. They picked the right year. And the monster cutbacks in industry was still a year to come, though the writing was on the plants, foundrys, mines and warehouses.

    White guys got downsized and white USA never came back. Remember Howard (Network) Beal in the seventies talking about the depression? Which the Reagan 80s made worse?

    When the 80s ended and Ronald Reagan got his Japanese millions of dollars bonus, don’t you think they were trying to tell you something?

    So they made a fantasy movie about the years that done the country in. Better than no movie at all, and better late than never.

    Come to think of it, I might just say the hell with it and see it on a big screen.

  227. Anonymous[518] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Palance’s character looks tough (he gets his old Confederate uniform out before joining the posse) but he is oddly passive despite nominally being the leader. It was a Vietnam allegory so perhaps that is why.
    Like Bronson, Palance had somewhat Asiatic features (he was of Ukrainian descent) although he also had traces of facial burns received in WW2.
    Fun fact – the nanny who hangs herself in The Omen (1976) is his daughter.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  228. @Anonymous

    Bronson was short. Old Vladimir Paluchinuik was a solid 6’3 and equally muscular. Bronson built a physique in the mines but Jack actually was a former prizefighter.

    Amazingly, Chato’s Land holds up as an allegory for Afghanistan. You could release it today and it would make as much sense-more maybe, being set in the desert.

  229. Not Raul says:
    @Trevor Lynch

    Incel is an over-used term. People are using it as a synonym for white, male loser.

    I agree that Joker is no incel.

    Speaking of over-used terms, the thread below ak’s review of Joker has people calling you a “boomer”. You don’t seem old.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  230. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian Smith

    Nobody ever said Jews were great novelists but they are pretty much the fons et origo of standup.

  231. bro3886 says:
    @El Dato

    What about the “Godfather” trilogy or “Scarface.” Those movies probably sent hundreds of Italian boys into the mob, thousands world-wide. The body count for those movies must be in the thousands. Nobody is too upset.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  232. @bro3886

    Tony Montana was a Cuban of Spanish descent. Not Italian.

    Christopher Montesori of the SOPRANOS personified the reason why Italians from the working class enter the mafia. No great intelligence. No money. High school graduate at best. No real work ethic.

    Nothing better on offer.

  233. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    love it how people who rail about the system and TPTB recoil when a work of fiction shows an outcome.

    the bitchfest defends the system at every turn…no, no, no, keep your socialist hands off my billionaire’s fortune! It’s just wrong to take away from people who’ve so rightfully “earned” every dollar they have through cheating, lying, stealing, outsourcing, polluting, corruption, bribery, and everything else.

    I mean, OMG leave Zuckerburg and Jewgle billionaires ALONE FFS, these people made their money the old-fashioned way and you’re a SOCIALIST if you think otherwise!

    The joker is capturing the zeitgeist of a sick, and disintegrating society.

    You get what you fucking deserve. THAT is the message of this movie.

    Couched in the terms of “socialist” thought which holy shit has the insanity to think a society should function for its people instead of the people serving an economy! Why, so grifter jews can get richer?

    I am consistently amazed at how many “righties” don’t get it.

    what we’ve been doing hasn’t been working. More of it isn’t the answer.

    The “power” at the top must be destroyed by any means necessary, even Antifa understands this.

    So they want a marxist cesspool…the other side seems to want Brazil!

  234. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    The background of the “Gold Watch” scene with Christopher Walken in Pulp Fiction was a good example of early 70s American, especially the frame on the wall with the miniature wine bottles.

  235. Yevardian says:
    @Trevor Lynch

    I feel that it was very strongly implied.

  236. Smith says:
    @Richard P

    Because I had legit trust in this film, somehow, some ways.

  237. Pheasant says:
    @obwandiyag

    ‘You are complete, un-self-aware, childish braindead douchbags.’

    I have read your posting history.

    Yours is a case of a dindu who really must stop projecting.

  238. Pheasant says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Hes none of those things.

    Hes just uppity.

  239. @Trevor Lynch

    It’s the subway cars that are the wrong vintage in the movie. In the early 80s, they would have been those lumbering, heavy-gauge steel, flat-sided cars that probably dated back to WW2. The sleek and shiny aluminum cars with the horizontally pleated sides did not really get phased in until later in the 80s. The old cars were switched out with the new ones very slowly, and in the early years the new cars were garaged somewhere where they did not get covered instantly in spray-painted graffiti.

  240. Just a thought about an additional detail that may have a place in the synopsis of Joker:
    When Arthur is given a gun by his burly clown colleague at the beginning of the film, it is not because the colleague is being a nice guy. My take: Burly has already used the gun to commit a murder or two, and he is giving it to Arthur to frame him. Recognizing that Arthur is unhinged and volatile, he probably assumes that if Arthur has the gun, he will soon find a reason to use it. When Arthur shoots someone, his thinking goes, the cops will apprehend him and trace the gun as the same one used in Burly’s crimes.

    By the time Burly shows up at Arthur’s apartment with the dwarf clown and a bottle of alcohol in a paper bag to have a nice friendly chat, Arthur has figured all this out. (There have been some intervening scenes at the clown agency where we see that Arthur has connected the dots.) Burly casually asks Arthur what he has told the police investigators who have been snooping around. It is then that an enraged Arthur murders his enabler in the particularly graphic scene that almost sent Mr. Lynch fleeing the theatre. And then, of course, there is the dark humor of the dwarf needing to be helped to exit the premises because the latch chain is too high to reach. Is it fair to think of that as a Hitchcockian touch?

  241. Got around to seeing this movie today, so this is pretty much my initial impression. It’s not racial. It’s not rich vs. poor. If I compare Joker to another character by the end of the movie, it’s Krampus. Yes, the Christmas devil who destroyed ungrateful wretches in the movie of the same name. Or you could look at Arthur Fleck as the personification of bad karma. He is a symbol of the the worst that can happen when an abused child grows up to be an abused and hopeless man. He gives society its just desserts.

    Not to say I was rooting for him but by the time his true family background and childhood story were revealed I was completely sympathetic with him. Joker is a description of what awaits a society which believes in nothing and where even simple civility is rare.

  242. Alden says:
    @Talha

    The law is one thing and observance is another.

    Desmond is one boy. There are tens of thousands of bacha boys in the Islamic world.

    In Afghanistan and Pakistan women are for making babies, boys are for love. It was that way in those countries long before Islam.

    It’s incredibly naive of you to believe that the Taliban obeyed their rules against gay and pederast sex. Or else you’re just lying. I suspect you’re lying.

    • Replies: @Talha
  243. Talha says:
    @Alden

    Desmond is one boy.

    Uh, no:

    This is growing.

    There are tens of thousands of bacha boys in the Islamic world.

    I don’t know about that many unless you have something to back you up. Thousands? Sure. They are mostly in Afghanistan.

    In Afghanistan and Pakistan women are for making babies, boys are for love.

    I come from Pakistan, know more Pakistanis than you’ll ever meet in your lifetime. Pederasty is not a thing there. Now it is known that some people do it up in the provinces near Afghanistan and it is a joke that you hear about Pasthuns.

    It’s incredibly naive of you to believe that the Taliban obeyed their rules against gay and pederast sex.

    Why? I’ve cited multiple non-Muslim sources – anywhere from news articles citing NGOs working with the UN to prevent abuse to multiple sources within the US military itself. If you think your opinion is stronger on the subject than those sources, that’s fine with me.

    Now, if you’d like to do the legwork and bring reasonable sources on the matter that support your view that the Taliban were indulging in this practice and just pretending to outlaw it, please bring them and we can discuss.

    If all you have is your opinion, what do I care? Everyone has opinions.

    I suspect you’re lying.

    Meh – completely uninterested in convincing you otherwise.

    Peace.

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