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Leave it to liberals to pin their hopes on the oddest things. In particular, they seemed to find post-Trump solace in the strange combination of the two-year-old Mueller investigation and the good judgment of certain Trump appointees, the proverbial “adults in the room.” Remember that crew? It once included Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, the former ExxonMobil CEO, and a trio of active and retired generals — so much for civilian control of the military — including Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly. Until his sudden resignation, Mattis was (just barely) the last man standing. Still, for all these months, many Americans had counted on them to all but save the nation from an unpredictable president. They were the ones supposedly responsible for helming (or perhaps hemming in) the wayward ship of state when it came to foreign and national security policy.

Too bad it was all such a fantasy. As Donald Trump wraps up his second year in the Oval Office, despite sudden moves in Syria and Afghanistan, the United States remains entrenched in a set of military interventions across significant parts of the world. Worse yet, what those adults guided the president toward was yet more bombing, the establishment of yet more bases, and the funding of yet more oversized Pentagon budgets. And here was the truly odd thing: every time The Donald tweeted negatively about any of those wars or uttered an offhand remark in opposition to the warfare state or the Pentagon budget, that triumvirate of generals and good old Rex went to work steering him back onto the well-worn track of Bush-Obama-style forever wars.

All the while, a populace obsessed and distracted by the president’s camera-grabbing persona seemed hardly to notice that this country continued to exist in a state of perpetual war. And here’s the most curious part of all: Trump wasn’t actually elected on an interventionist military platform. Sure, he threw the hawkish wing of his Republican base a few bones: bringing back waterboarding as well as even “worse” forms of torture, bombing “the shit” out of ISIS, and filling Guantánamo with “some bad dudes.” Still, with foreign policy an undercard issue in a domestically focused campaign to “Make America Great Again,” most Trump supporters seemed to have little stomach for endless war in the Greater Middle East — and The Donald knew it.

Common Sense on the Campaign Trail

Despite his coarse language and dubious policy positions, candidate Trump did seem to promise something new in foreign policy. To his credit, he called the 2003 Iraq War the “single worst decision ever made” (even if his own shifting position on that invasion was well-documented). He repeatedly tweeted his virulent opposition to continuing the war in Afghanistan and regularly urged President Obama to stay out of Syria. And to the horror of newly minted Cold War liberals, he even suggested a détente with Russia.

Like so much else in his campaign, none of this was from the standard 2016 bullet-point repertoire of seasoned politicians. Sure, Donald Trump lacked the requisite knowledge and ideological coherence usually considered mandatory for serious candidates, but from time to time he did — let’s admit it — offer some tidbits of fresh thinking on foreign policy. However blasphemous that may sound, on certain international issues the guy had a point compared to Hillary, the hawk.

During his presidency, traces of his earthy commonsense still showed up from time to time. In August 2017, for instance, when announcing yet another escalation in the Afghan War, he felt obliged to admit that his original instinct had been to “pull out” of it, adding that he still sympathized with Americans who were “weary of war.” He sounded like a man anything but confident of his chosen course of action — or at least the one chosen for him by those “adults” of his. Then, last week, he surprised the whole business-as-usual Washington establishment by announcing an imminent withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria. Whether he reverses himself, as he’s been apt to do, remains unknown, but here was at least a flash of his campaign-style anti-interventionism.

How, then, to explain the way a seemingly confident candidate had morphed into a hesitant president — until his recent set of decisions to pull troops out of parts of the Greater Middle East — at least on matters of war and peace? Why those nearly two years of bowing to the long-stale foreign policy thinking that had infused the Bush-Obama years, the very thing he had been theoretically running against?

Well, pin it on those adults in the room, especially the three generals. As mid-level and senior officers, they had, after all, cut their teeth on the war on terror. It and it alone defined their careers, their lives, and so their thinking. Long before Donald Trump came along, they and their peer commanders had already been taken hostage by the interventionist military playbook that went with that war and came to define the thinking of their generation. That was how you had to think, in fact, if you wanted to rise in the ranks.

The adults weren’t, for the most part, political partisans. Then again, neither was the militarist playbook they were following. Both Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush had been selling exactly the same snake oil in 2016. Only Trump — and to some extent Bernie Sanders — had offered a genuine alternative. Nevertheless, the Trump administration sustained that same policy of forever war for almost two full years and the grown-ups in the room were the ones who made it so. Exhibit A was the Greater Middle East.

The Same Old Playbook

While George W. Bush favored a “go-big” option of regime change, massive military occupation, and armed nation-building, Barack Obama preferred expanded drone strikes, increased military advisory missions, and — in the case of Libya — a bit of light regime-changing. In Trump’s first two years in office, the U.S. military seemed to merge aspects of the losing strategies of both of those presidents.

If Trump’s gut instinct was to skip future “dumb” Iraq-style wars, “pull out” of Afghanistan, and avoid regional conflict with Russia, his grown-up advisers pushed him in exactly the opposite direction. They chose instead what might be called the more strategy: more bombing, more troops, more drone strikes, more defense spending, more advisors, more everything. And if a war seemed to be failing anyway, the answer came straight from that very playbook, as in Afghanistan in 2017: a “surge” and the need for yet more time. As a result, America’s longest-ever war grew longer still with no end faintly in sight.

Given such thinking, it’s odd to recall that those adults in the room were, once upon a time, reputed to be outside-the-box thinkers. Secretary Mattis was initially hailed as such an avid reader and devoted student of military history that he was dubbed the “warrior monk.” H.R. McMaster was similarly hailed for having written a book critical of U.S. strategy in Vietnam (though wrong in its conclusions). Both Democrats and Republicans in Washington were similarly convinced that if anyone could bring order to the Trump administration, it would be the ever-responsible John Kelly.

Let’s review, then, the advice that these innovators offered the president in his first two years in office and the results in the Greater Middle East, starting with that presidential urge to pull out of Iraq. You won’t be surprised to learn that U.S. troops are still ensconced there in an ongoing fight against what’s suddenly a growing ISIS insurgency (now that its “caliphate” is no more). Nor has Washington taken any meaningful steps to bolster the legitimacy of the Shia-dominated Baghdad government, which portends an indefinite Sunni-based insurgency of some sort (or sorts) and a possible Kurdish secession.

In Syria, rather than downsize the U.S. military mission in the interest of Trump’s stated wish for détente with Russia and his urge to get the troops out “like very soon,” his administration had more than stayed put. It essentially chose to go with an indefinite American occupation of eastern Syria, including up to 4,000 mainly Special Operations forces backing predominantly Kurdish rebels there. In fact, only recently Mattis and other “senior national security officials” reportedly tried unsuccessfully to talk the president out of his recent tweeted proclamation to end the American role in Syria and withdraw those troops from the country as, it seems, is now happening. In this, he clearly wants to avoid the ongoing risk of war with both Russia and NATO ally Turkey, not to speak of Iran. The Turks continue to threaten to invade the northern Syrian region controlled by those U.S.-backed Kurds, while Russian forces had, alarmingly, exchanged fire with U.S. troops more than once along the Euphrates River buffer zone. The Syrian mission was all risk and no reward, but the adults in the room continued to work feverishly to convince the president that to pull out might create a new “safe haven” not just for ISIS but also for the Iranians.

In Afghanistan, whatever Trump’s “instinct” may have been, after many meetings with his “cabinet and generals,” or what he called his “experts,” the president decided on a new escalation, a mini-surge in that then 17-year-old war. To that end, he delegated yet more decision-making to the very generals who were so unsuccessful in previous years and they proceeded to order the dropping of a record number of bombs, including the first-ever use of the largest non-nuclear ordnance in the Air Force arsenal, the so-called Mother of all Bombs. The results were the very opposite of reassuring. Indeed, the U.S. and its Afghan allies may be headed for actual military defeat, as the Taliban controls or contests more districts than ever, while Afghan government casualties have become, in the phrase of an American general, “unsustainable.”

Now, in a rebuke to those very experts and adults, the president will apparently remove half the U.S. troops in Afghanistan. After so many years of fruitless war, this sensible decision raised immediate alarm among the hawks in Congress and in the rest of the Washington national security establishment. That decision, plus pulling the plug on the Syrian operation, apparently proved to be a red line for the last adult left standing and Jim Mattis promptly resigned in protest. For the outgoing secretary of defense, it seems that complicity in Saudi war crimes in Yemen and the murder of Washington Post columnist and Saudi citizen Jamal Khashoggi were passing events. Trump’s willingness to try to end the American role in two failing, dubiously legal quagmires, however, proved to be the general’s breaking point.

Elsewhere, the Trump team has moved ever closer to a regime-change policy in Iran, especially after the replacement of Tillerson and McMaster by the particularly Iranophobic duo of Mike Pompeo and John Bolton as secretary of state and national security advisor. Still, don’t blame any looming Iran disaster on them. Washington had unilaterally pulled out of the Obama-negotiated nuclear deal with that country well before they arrived on the scene. While the grown-ups might not have been quite as amenable to war with Iran as Bolton and Pompeo, they couldn’t countenance détente for even a second.

And, of course, all those adults in the room supported U.S. complicity in the Saudi-led terror bombing and starvation of Yemen, the poorest Arab country. They also favored sustained ties with Saudi Arabia and its increasingly brutal crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman. Indeed, despite the recent murder and dismemberment of Washington Post columnist and Saudi citizen Jamal Khashoggi in that country’s embassy in Istanbul, Turkey, and the Senate’s increasing disenchantment with the war in Yemen, Mattis remained a vocal supporter of the Saudis. Just before the Senate recently voted to pull U.S. military assistance for the Saudi war, he joined Pompeo in urging that chamber not to abandon Riyadh. In addition, key senators called Mattis’s testimony “misleading” because he “downplayed” the Saudi crown prince’s role in the murder, ignoring the conclusion of the CIA that the prince was indeed “complicit” in it.

So when it comes to outside-the-box thinking about the Greater Middle East almost two years into the president’s first term, the U.S. remains ensconced in a series of distinctly inside-the-box and unwinnable wars across the region. Trump, however, now appears ready to change course, at least in Syria and Afghanistan, perhaps out of frustration with the ever-so-conventional mess the adults left him in.

A Militarized Planet

Elsewhere, matters are hardly more encouraging. At a global level, the grown-ups have neither tempered the president’s more bizarre policies nor offered a humbler, more modest military approach themselves. The result, as the country enters 2019, is an increasingly militarized planet. Mattis’s own National Defense Strategy (NDS), released in January 2018, represents a blatant giveaway to the domestic arms industry, envisioning as it does a world eternally on the brink of Great Power war.

On that planet of the adults, the U.S. must now prepare for threats across every square inch of the globe. Far from the military de-escalation hinted at by candidate Trump (and suggested again in a recent tweet of his), Mattis’s “2-2-1 policy” has the Pentagon ramping up for potential fights with two “big” adversaries (China and Russia), two “medium” opponents (Iran and North Korea), and one “sustained” challenge (conflicts and terrorism across the Greater Middle East). Few have asked whether such a strategy is faintly sustainable, even with a military budget that dwarfs that of any other power on the planet.

In fact, the implementation of that NDS vision is clearly leading to a new arms race and a burgeoning Cold War 2.0. Washington is already engaged in a spiraling trade war with Beijing and has announced plans to pull out of a key Cold War nuclear treaty with Russia, while developing a new group of treaty-busting intermediate range nuclear missiles itself. In addition, at the insistence of his military advisers, the president has agreed to back an Obama-era “modernization” program for the U.S. nuclear arsenal now estimated to cost at least $1.6 trillion over the next three decades.

So much for a Republican insistence on balanced budgets and decreased deficits. Furthermore, climate-change denial remains the name of the game in the Trump administration and, in this singular case, the adults in the room could do nothing about it. Despite earlier Pentagon reports that concluded man-made climate change presents a national security threat to the country, the Trump administration has ignored such claims. It has even insisted upon substituting the term “extreme weather” for “climate change” in current defense reports. Here, the grown-ups do indeed know better — the military has long been focused on the dangers of climate change — but have dismally failed to temper the president’s anti-science policies.

So, as 2018 comes to a close, thanks to the worldview of those grown-ups and the pliability of Trump’s own ideology (except when it comes to climate change), Washington’s empire of bases, its never-ending war on terror, and its blank-check spending on the military-industrial complex were more firmly entrenched than ever. It will fall to the president — if indeed he proves to be serious when it comes to a course change — to begin the long work of (modestly) undoing a planet of war.

The Last Adult?

Looking toward 2019 in a world on edge, here are a couple of thoughts on our future. Expect that Robert Mueller’s future report will find many things to focus on, including plenty of collusion with women, but — whatever the Russians did and whatever the desires of those around candidate Trump may have been — no actual collusion of substance with Moscow in election 2016. That will undoubtedly break the hearts of liberals everywhere and ensure — despite the best efforts of a new Democratic House — a full Trump term (or two!). Furthermore, whatever “blue-wave” Democrats do domestically, they are unlikely to present a coherent, alternative foreign-policy vision. Instead, prepare to watch them cede that territory (as always) to Trump and the Republicans. Meanwhile, at least until 2021, they will continue to lament the absence of those “adults in the room” and their supposed ability to preserve a respectable foreign policy, which, of course, would have meant war all the way to the bank.

Maybe it’s time to start thinking of those adults as the tools (and often enough the future employees) of a military-industrial-congressional complex that feeds Americans ample servings of endless war, year after year, decade after decade. In truth, in this century presidents change but the failing policies haven’t.

Call it the deep state, the swamp, or whatever you like, but bottom line: during Trump’s first two years in office, there wasn’t, until now, any serious rethinking of American foreign and military policy, not in terms of peaceableness anyway. Trump’s original adults in the room set the table for endless war. Their replacements clearly intended to devour plentiful helpings of the same dishes. Make no mistake, if it were up to those adults, the United States would be ringing in this New Year with yet another copious serving of militarism. It still may.

I must admit that I find myself in a lonely spot as 2018 ends. I’ve been serving in the U.S. Army during this period, while dissenting from prevailing foreign policy. After spending 18 years in uniform, including tours of duty in both the Afghan and the Iraq wars, and observing a slew of retired generals and policymakers who oversaw those very wars champion yet more (failed) conventional thinking, forgive me for wondering, from time to time, if I weren’t the last true adult in the room.

Danny Sjursen, a TomDispatch regular, is a U.S. Army major and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has written Ghost Riders of Baghdad: Soldiers, Civilians, and the Myth of the Surge. He lives with his wife and four sons in Lawrence, Kansas. Follow him on Twitter at @SkepticalVet and check out his podcast “Fortress on a Hill,” co-hosted with fellow vet Chris Henriksen.

[Note: The views expressed in this article are those of the author, expressed in an unofficial capacity, and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.]

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  1. peterAUS says:

    How, then, to explain the way a seemingly confident candidate had morphed into a hesitant president — until his recent set of decisions to pull troops out of parts of the Greater Middle East — at least on matters of war and peace?

    Well, pin it on those adults in the room, especially the three generals.

    Oh, no….if it was only that simple. It is NOT.
    And until somebody really understands why nothing will change.
    Actually, cancel that. There are some people who do understand all that. In fact, plenty of them.
    The problem is..to stop that would require a change of monumental magnitude across the US way of life. Nobody can do that.

    So…here we are…..

    Hopefully it won’t end with M.A.D.
    All the rest of possible scenarios aren’t, at least, that dystopian.
    But, dystopian they are, for sure.

  2. Very good article. It reminds us of how group-think in the MSM also helps shape, steer and solidify failing US foreign policies.

    It is interesting that the so-called “adults in the room” were given honor and credibility by the MSM punditocracy from day one. Clearly, Big Media cheerleaders are central to the swamp’s unflagging push for More Wars and More of the Same.

    Our corrupt and entrenched MSM is an integral part of the DC swamp.

    For that reason, it might at this point be impossible for any single president to ‘drain the swamp’ as it’s become too big, too powerful, and too entrenched.

    The only irritating part of this otherwise astute article was the needless (and false) claim that anthropogenic ‘climate change’ is a national security threat. This paranoid view is absolute bunk.

    Though the world is facing an onslaught of real environmental problems, a slight milding of the average temperature is not one of them.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Biff
    , @JVC
  3. Ace says:

    It’s astonishing that this otherwise thoughtful analysts champions climate-change, the very term itself being a prima facie dishonest evolution from “global warming” that has inconveniently not been happening. The term climate change is so worthless that a .01 degree drop in global temperature counts as climate change, not to mention the deliberate sponginess of the term so that any change in anything can be evidence of impending disaster.

    Only the major’s announcement of his belief in phrenology and witchcraft would do more to destroy his credibility than his ardent embrace of “climate change.”

    • Replies: @Christo
    , @Biff
    , @Nonny
    , @DESERT FOX
  4. the president’s anti-science policies

    Is Trump responsible for the replication crisis, or perhaps for the extension of physics to non-observables (String theory)? Is he’s responsible for rating mathematicians by their commitment to social justice? Maybe he’s reduced funding to NSF? Nope.

    Not one of the elite understands so much as basic Newtonian physics. The smarter ones can read a budget, elementary arithmetic, that’s it. What they can do is fund scientists who are desperate for money to reach predefined conclusions, and that’s what they have done. I was in that racket for some time before I found and published a few things that weren’t approved, then I was out of it.

    Science is in bad shape, and we’re in scientific and engineering stagnation except for electronic information systems which, surprise, have transmogrified into surveillance systems. The policies that caused that (instituted in the late 1960s) are anti-science. Attempts by politicians to gain authority by claiming to speak with the full authority of science are not science, they are frauds. Counterclaims are also not science (or anti-science), they too are frauds (or possibly fraud reporting, usually by accident).

    You wouldn’t let politicians try to fix you house’s plumbing. Why do you believe them about what science says? Science is even further from their understanding and habits of thought than is plumbing.

    Counterinsurgency

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    , @Johann
  5. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @mark green

    TomDispatch regular(ity).

  6. Christo says:
    @Ace

    I agree here , his bringing up “climate change” in an article about global US military involvement and national security hurts his credibility as much as it does any PR orifice of the Pentagon /deep state making attempts to link a “theory”- climate change, to a reality – National Security.

    Although I do like his identification of example of how the Trump admin fights the “misinformation wording ” of “climate change” by labeling such garbage “extreme weather’ s instead. However he then immediately takes his”grow-ups” theme totally off the rails.

    “It has even insisted upon substituting the term “extreme weather” for “climate change” in current defense reports. Here, the grown-ups do indeed know better — the military has long been focused on the dangers of climate change — but have dismally failed to temper the president’s anti-science policies.”

    This is just shows that the author himself has been fed misinformation his whole life by the MSM and has never really looked out side that box . He is somewhat against foreign US military involvement because of his service but that is it , he tows the standard MSM PC line.

    What is most telling about the level of his misinformation indoctrination , is in this whole article’s critique of US foreign affairs/military actions along the theme of “adults in the room” is not once did I see or note the word “Israel” , I went back and looked and still could not find it. Total mental block of the most important factor affecting US foreign policy and military involvement for decades . That is what 20 years of military service and teaching at West Point did for him and it shows by its absence.

    • Agree: Durruti
  7. Christo says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, when Nobel laureate physicist makes a joke about “women not being as good as men in math” is blackballed from the field, you know all hard science fields are totally “phucked” by PC(anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male dogma) , as he was. And they are all now working toward the extermination of any trace of influence, presence, and even any history of the same, except as to further vilify white people as evil. They have become similar to Social Science fields which became infested with this same “PC” back in the 1980’s, though you could see signs of it back in the 1970’s, IMO.

  8. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe it’s time to start thinking of those adults as the tools (and often enough the future employees) of a military-industrial-congressional complex that feeds Americans ample servings of endless war, year after year, decade after decade.

    {my emphasis}

    Of course.

    The U.S. War Industry Raked in $5+ Billion Worth of Foreign Military Sales in June 2018:

    {excerpts, my emphasis}

    Textron $36 million to provide Argentina with four T-6C+ aircraft. This includes maintenance, contractors, and pilot training.

    Northrop Grumman received $153.2 million for one Japan-configuration E-2D aircraft.

    Bell & Boeing received funding to provide Japan with V-22 aircraft (4 aircraft worth $230,285,600).

    Harris Corp. received $400 million for FMS (unnamed): Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite

    BAE Systems : $48 million to sustain radar warning receivers for USAF and FMS (South Korea, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, India, France, Italy, Oman, Norway, Australia, Qatar, Canada).

    General Dynamics received $149.1 million for FMS (Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Kenya, Jordan, Nigeria, Qatar): various rockets, warheads, motors, and components.

    Raytheon received $80.2 million for software development and system integrity services in support of F/A-18A-D and E/F for U.S. Navy, Australia, Canada, Kuwait, and Switzerland.

    AECOM-Baker JV, Bryan International, and Oxford Construction of Pennsylvania received a shared $148.5 million for construction services in Israel.

    DynCorp International received $62,441,808 for USA and FMS (Croatia): aviation field maintenance in Afghanistan and Iraq. Lockheed Martin received $364.6 million to extend the life of U.S. and Romanian Army Tactical Missiles (ATACMS) and launching assemblies.

    RAM-System : €79,500,000 [$92,800,000] to provide Germany with Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) launching systems (GMLS), hardware, and spares.

    Boeing received $179 million for FMS (Kuwait): system configuration sets for F/A-18E/F software development, modification, integration, testing, and support…. in support of Kuwait (92 tanks worth $11,276,260).

    Lockheed Martin received $288.3 million for USA and FMS (UAE)

    Raytheon received $49.4 million for Qatar Air & Missile Defense Operation Center (ADOC) support.

    War is profit. Only a concerted effort of education, awareness, and action will change this miserable status quo.

    https://www.newsbud.com/2018/07/27/the-u-s-war-industry-raked-in-5-billion-worth-of-foreign-military-sales-in-june-2018/

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @anon
  9. Durruti says:

    In this article there is not one mention of the Power Elite who control the United States.

    Our nation is no longer sovereign. Our last Constitutional government was overthrown in a Coup D’état on November 22, 1963. The assassins of our President and our Republic were the Zionist Oligarchs, and other American Judas’s. At last count we have 1 American Senator and 3 American Representatives, No Supreme Court, and No State Governments. Kindly do not ask for a count of local and County governments.

    Casino Trump should have sent the entire Government to Jerusalem.

    Sjursen need not have any particular opinion – in order to write a truthful article; but to write an essay on American Politics, that reviews mostly events in the Middle East, without once mentioning the Zionist Land Thieves, (or for that matter, The Palestinian People), is a strong clue, a glaring evidence, of an article designed to misdirect, rather than examine.

    Adults in the Room? Adults versus Children, or versus Martians? Adults in the garden?

    Some adults lie and steal and murder and overthrow Republics and profit off war, and some don’t.

    Which Adults will Restore Our American Republic?

  10. Biff says:
    @mark green

    The only irritating part of this otherwise astute article was the needless (and false) claim that anthropogenic ‘climate change’ is a national security threat.

    Everything is a National Security Threat – especially your mind. So things need to be put under control – I hope you don’t mind.

  11. Leave it to liberals to pin their hopes on the oddest things. In particular, they seemed to find post-Trump solace in the strange combination of the two-year-old Mueller investigation …

    Let’s call it the forever investigation.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  12. Perhaps President Trump is the “only adult in the roam.” His decision to pull out of Syria and parts of Afghanistan was more than overdue. He should leave the whole region that was messed up by the George W. Bush gang and his “liberal”-sounding black President Obama. He also should kick the Saudi assassin-in-chief Mohammed bin Salman in the butt.

    It’s storytelling that the so-called liberals are all for more wars and interventions. Their reasoning shows what adulthood means. Trump should do his own thing together with the so-called deplorable. He defends their interests, which are opposed to the financial and plutocratic elite ones. For his course, Trump needs a lot of stamina because he has the whole liberal media crowd against him. They are the real “enemy of the people.” They churn out lies and fake news.

    In Germany, the “famous” policy-magazine The Spiegel just was caught on the hop by the exposure of a bunch of fake news that was made up by one of its “star” reporters, his name Claas Relotius. He also produced several fake articles about America. Throughout several years, he jerked his almost 600 colleagues around, including the famous documentary department. From top to bottom, the whole Spiegel crowd was thrilled by these made-up stories. Awards washed Claas Relotius. America’s fake news producer, CNN, awarded him twice with “Journalist of the Year”! After the scandal got public, CNN deprived him of the awards.

    The American ambassador to Germany, Richard A. Grenell, complained in a letter to the Spiegel about its severe anti-American bias. Unsurprisingly, one of the assistant editors-in-chief rebuffed his criticism. But if one sees the Spiegel covers of the past years, Grenell’s claim stares everybody in the face.

    http://between-the-lines-ludwig-watzal.blogspot.com/2018/12/der-spiegel-sturmgeschutz-der.html
    http://betweenthelines-ludwigwatzal.com/2018/12/23/der-spiegel-und-sein-luegenbaron-claas-relotius/

  13. Biff says:
    @Ace

    Carbon dioxide levels, and average mean temperatures in the atmosphere are some of the easiest things on the planet to test for, and analyze the results.
    Human stupidity remains off the scale, and therefore it is impossible to properly determine.

    The climate/song remains the same.

    • Replies: @Ace
  14. @Christo

    Hmmmm . . .,

    I don’t there’s solid evidence that the theory of climate change is anything but a theory. and this is really, of not much consequence to the article, but weather is a major competent of military strategic thinking. As has been demonstrated repeatedly, to ignore weather cycles, or possible weather conditions could spell the end of a many wars.

    If climate change, even as theory has any validity, then the military would be wise to consider its impact in tactical applications. Further, regardless of “climate change” today’s massive fire power capabilities could in fact, have an impact on weather conditions (if only temporarily).

    Laugh —

    I was going to say, it is doubtful weather the development of green weapons is going to be a serious consideration any time soon. Then i stumbled on the following:

    https://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/blogs/the-weapons-industry-is-going-green
    _____________________________

  15. @Christo

    “Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. Three things happen when they are in the lab. You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticize them, they cry.”

    Given the response, I suspect the evidence for the last reference in his jest might have substantial support enough to be fact.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/science-sexism-and-the-nobel-laureate/article24963270/

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  16. @EliteCommInc.

    Given the response, I suspect the evidence for the last reference in his jest might have substantial support enough to have some validity.

  17. @Christo

    correction: Given the response, I suspect the evidence for the last reference in his jest might have substantial support enough to be fact.

  18. Johann says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    When morons like JoecBiden, John Kerry and Barry O’Bama openly declare that “the Science is settled” you know that real Science is in big trouble.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  19. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    https://www.rt.com/usa/447400-blackwater-returns-private-military/

    Not on your list of war for profit leadership Blackwater and other private military contractors? According to the reference article entire budget of the USA military could be diverted (privatized) to private mercenary armies, explains the reason for pull out of Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen. Israeli Air force attacked Syria Again last night, Syria Defense Air defense system worked, Syria Says, even before the S-300 were in service. The military in the “you-can’t-have-any-oil-but-us-countries”, is about to try to govern the entire world at the point of a bomb.. I guess we should all have expected that from Zionist controlled Globalization and the election of its favorite peoples for Presidents, Prime Ministers, of Crown princes of Zionist controlled countries?
    Humanity is over, everyone that counts from now on will be a dead or surviving warrior or a beggar in the street or shivering in a refugee camp? No one it seems cares that the business of killing is about to become the best job, and maybe the only job, to be had?

  20. @Christo

    Just wondering: Is Major Sjursen still on active duty? I’ve read other articles by him and found no indication he is not. If he is full-time active (not just in Reserves) how does he get away with contradicting US military policy all the time? Does he submit his articles to higher ups to get their stamp of approval? I’ve always thought that active soldiers are told to shut up and MYOB about military policy. Can anyone else here straighten me out?

    • Replies: @lost american
  21. @Christo

    Even IF climate change/global warming exists there is little that can be done about it unless the world is prepared to scrap modernity and globalism, and go back to agrarian societies. Good luck getting China and India to go along.

    The USA blew it big time when it wasted trillions on too many highways, taxpayer gifts to both the oil and auto industries, instead of mass transit, as other countries have more wisely done. Now we’re stuck with short-sighted political decisions made by Washington until the oil runs dry. As James H Kunstler said in his prescient book from several years ago, we’re in “The Long Emergency.”

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  22. @Digital Samizdat

    As a believer in a strong executive, who is burdened such a dysfunctional legislature, I sometimes wish that the President had even MORE power. This Mueller investigation, which has so damaged a legally elected president as well as the entire country, is one such case. Everyday, I wish that Trump would just shut it down and recommend the prosecution of Robert Mueller on grounds of Treason. I know he could do so already, but he has been talked out of it by his legal team for political considerations. Plus Trump would be roasted by a hostile, venal press even more than now. Impeachment, with the Leftist D’s set to take control the House, would be looming.

    Due to the Mueller witch hunt (initiated by Rod Rosenstein at the behest of Obama/Hillary), we’ll never know if Trump meant what he said about engaging diplomatically with Putin’s Russia. And the world, brought ever closer to the brink of war, is so much worse off for it.

  23. Agent76 says:

    May 16, 2013 The Psychology of Authority

    What percentage of people would obey if they were ordered to commit murder? The answer might surprise you.

    Oct 28, 2018 US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 Victim Nations Since World War II

    The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

  24. wayfarer says:

    The wave of evil washes all our institutions alike.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson

    Rothschild’s Zionist Political Globalization

    • Replies: @Agent76
  25. Agent76 says:

    The New American Century Part 1/10

    This film goes in detail through the untold history of The Project for the New American Century with tons of archival footage and connects it right into the present. This film exposes how every major war in US history was based on a complete fraud with video of insiders themselves admitting it.

  26. @follyofwar

    Will oil ever run dry ?
    An interesting theory is that oil and gas originate from when the earth was formed.
    E=MC² is still valid, if and when we find better ways to make energy by fission or fusion, I do not know.
    But if the white supremacists continue as they did in the last 400 years, I expect that new methods for making energy will be found.

  27. Agent76 says:
    @wayfarer

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers.

    September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century “What Really Happened”?

    New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

  28. As long as the zionists have control of the U.S. government nothing will change and we will continue with the zionist agenda of debt and wars and open borders and general chaos as that is the zionist playbook, ie a satanic zionist NWO and the destruction of America!

  29. onebornfree says: • Website

    D.S. said: “…..Call it the deep state, the swamp, or whatever you like, but bottom line: during Trump’s first two years in office, there wasn’t, until now, any serious rethinking of American foreign and military policy, not in terms of peaceableness anyway. Trump’s original adults in the room set the table for endless war. Their replacements clearly intended to devour plentiful helpings of the same dishes. Make no mistake, if it were up to those adults, the United States would be ringing in this New Year with yet another copious serving of militarism. It still may….”

    Maybe these quotes will help clear your somewhat confused mind :

    “War is the health of the state” Randolph Bourne

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    It’s important to understand the true nature of what you are dealing with/complaining about, don’t you think?

    Regards, onebornfree.
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/

  30. JVC says:
    @mark green

    Danny –you were doing so well, until you just had to throw the “Climate Change” mime in. My very experienced advice to you would be to “question” the motives of the adults in the room in that area too. The globalist agenda is alive and well out side of the pentagon back rooms also, and the IPCC is one of the spear heads.

    • Agree: Agent76, Mike P
  31. The military steals from the taxpayers. Lots of confusion in the comments section. Danny Sjursen trained to kill people before he started delivering propaganda in the MSM. Anti-war is too serious a social movement for anyone but the military to direct.

    “Pose in fatigues with a rifle, kill children with drones, blow up wedding parties and impoverish the nation..then protest all of it” – title of a class CIA Sjursen could teach at West Point.

    • Agree: The scalpel
    • Replies: @The scalpel
  32. Nonny says:
    @Ace

    The Russians now regularly navigate the seas north of Russia / Siberia from Japan to Europe when a few decades earlier that had never been done because those seas were then made of a solid material.

    Just stick to watching all those UFOs rather than wasting time here.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @follyofwar
    , @Ace
  33. @Ace

    The deep state is spraying chemtrails in the skies over America to make the atmosphere a conduit for micro waves to enable HAARP to guide weather fronts and create tornadoes and hurricanes and create forest fires via DEW ie direct energy weapons , there is a war on we Americans all in the name of the fraudlent global warming B.S. so the zionists can lay a carbon tax on we goyim!

    Check Geoengineeringwatch.org.

    • Replies: @Ace
  34. The JFK/Magic Bullet option is the adult in the room.

  35. MarkinLA says:
    @Nonny

    What was the Artic ice caps extension in winter during the Medieval Warm Period? Did the Russian Navy navigate the Arctic Ocean back then?

    Oh wait, there was no Russian Navy and as far as the Arctic ice cap nobody knows and can never know.

  36. I am impressed with how this writer has gradually emerged as a significant effective commentator based on his experience and his intelligent way of evaluating the real as opposed to propaganda facts. Early on, he still accepted some elements of the official narrative that he was not directly confronting, but he has quickly outgrown this weakness as he effectively rebuts more and more of the official ‘facts’ in exposes such as this one.

  37. Ahoy says:

    Today’s adult in the room

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  38. @follyofwar

    folly of war- good point about what a military person can say. You could go to the UCMJ to see what it shows the law to be. I think the wording is to avoid contemptuous language which the major does not use. In my time in USMC and US Army enlisted over many years, I never saw any officers speak out. In the 1960s with the draft a lot of troops were outspoken but the large majority didn’t threaten the Commander in Chief.
    Most troops are very careful today because the “walls have ears”. There are a lot more backstabbers today.
    I believe one has to stay away from contemptuous language but I am not sure what that is. Sjursen knows how to tow the line. He focuses on the big pictures and avoids character assassinations and that kind of stuff. The military branches have their own schools where they are always tossing around scenarios with criticisms so what Sjursen does may just be consistent with discussions of strategy, but folly of war, you are right in that speaking out is often not good for careers.
    One blogger indicated he could be CIA but I doubt that.
    I wish more military would post what goes on and how much influence the top brass have on things.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  39. Swan Knight says: • Website

    Climate Change is a hoax, a socialist fantasy. Why mention this unrelated canard in a legitimate article about foreign policy?

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    , @Sparkon
  40. Pete1216 says:

    For its 1-2-3, what are we fighting for?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn.
    Next stop is in Iran.
    (Shameless theft of a current Vietnam War protest song (quite modified)

  41. @Swan Knight

    As I was informed at the Forbes CEO conference, because that is where the money, energy and polity is going.

    Climate change remains a theory — not a fact.

    • Replies: @uncle tungsten
  42. @lost american

    Thanks so much for your response. In his last paragraph, Sjursen says he’s spent “18 years in uniform.” Is he trying to hang on for two more to get his pension? In any case, I’m surprised that the upper brass hasn’t drummed him out of the service, though I much appreciate his guts for telling the truth (except when it comes to Israel’s role, of course). That would certainly get him kicked out, if not sent to the brig.

  43. @Ahoy

    I despise Netanyahu. Yet where is your absolute proof that he said those things? He would have been insane to do so.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  44. @follyofwar

    Netanyahu said right after 911 that it was good for Israel, and it sure as hell was, as it was the catalyst to get America into another war for Israel, and the ironic thing is that Zionist Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911!

    The zionists known damn well that they control every facet of the U.S. government so they can say what ever the hell they want and get away with it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  45. @Nonny

    The biggest driver of climate change is not industrialization but severe Overpopulation! Yet the American Left, who used to be concerned for the environment, and thus wanted to limit immigration into the country, has now gone hysterical crazy Open Borders, no matter that America is rapidly becoming a sh*thole, with formerly eradicated Third World diseases making their way into your town next. To concern oneself with global warming without mentioning the role of overpopulation is much crazier than belief in UFOs.

    In fact, UFO’s do exist (not saying that they are from another planet). Also, I’ve lately become persuaded that we never went to the Moon – the technology to get men there and back didn’t exist 50 years ago, nor, apparently, does it now.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Mike P
  46. @Ludwig Watzal

    Thanks for that!

    It amazes me that anyone believes anything that they cannot self verify. As for the press, Mark Twain, who worked as both a newspaper correspondent and also a newspaper editor in Nevada, told many amusing stories “synthesizing” stories for the newspapers when the real news was slow.

    One of the funniest was his fabricated news report that appeared in the [Nevada]Territorial Enterprise in 1862 which described the discovery of a petrified human body. The story was reprinted in many Eastern newspapers.

    Another was the Empire City Massacre hoax which Twain wrote telling of a man who lost “an immense amount [of money]” and who, in a deranged fit, kills and scalps his wife and nine children. The story was pretty obviously fake yet other newspapers in the region reprinted it as well.

    Here are a few relevant snips from Twain’s “License of the Press” speech if 1873.:

    “There are laws to protect the freedom of the press’s speech, but none that are worth anything to protect the people from the press.”

    “It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people–who constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations–do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a newspaper, and there is where the harm lies.”

    “That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse.”

    – Mark Twain “License of the Press” speech, 1873

    He could have said the same about politicians. Trump, and Netanyahu (ex furniture salesman or something) are prime examples

  47. @follyofwar

    Recommend the book The Day After Roswell by the late Col. Phillip Corso and the site Davidicke.com.

  48. Thanks Danny, that’s a fine read over the holiday season. You know, the adults in the room, the military chaps that is, have a heap of explaining to do. That is a 21trillion dollar heap of explaining. Now I know people are wary of the banks and their perpetual kleptocracy (see sarawakreport dot org).

    But the pentagoon theft is a doozy. Not one of those adults in the room believe in responsibility, integrity, accountability and now $21trillion later they are all gone. Mattis was silent in the revelation and that was his doom. Trump won’t tolerate wasters in his company and why should he in his presidency.

    Way to go Donald, throw out the wasters. Bring all the troops home, invest in USA production at home and sell it to the world.

  49. @EliteCommInc.

    Yes, it is a theory but it has driven a remarkable science and technology impetus that has delivered a significantly better future. Even if climate change never comes about the results of the thinking and human ingenuity are excellent.

    Goodbye coal and oil, just a matter of time:

  50. @Ludwig Watzal

    it seems that little has changed

  51. I would point out that the Pentagon budget doesn’t come close as to the debt.

    That is the gamesmanship of social services largely: medicaid, medicare and social security.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  52. Ahoy says:

    @ follyofwar #44

    I respect and thank you for your question. I am answering it indirectly for a purpose.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/11/burying-sharon/

    Americans live the greatest deception of all time ever since Jackson and Jefferson were done away with. They ignore the fact that immediately after Waterloo the Rothchild family bought the British Empire. The coming about of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC. in 1871 is also lost somewhere in the oblivion and the assassination of Kennedy belongs to pre-historic times.

    Keeping the people away from History and Geography one can lead them wherever he wants. For instance they project the electric car as an enviromental solution while it is an enviromental catastrophy. For 1 gram of lithium one must destroy hundreds of acres of land and the same with fracking. On the other hand, though Tesla opened the door for us to wireless technology, higher powers decided that we must be wired. Whoever tried to apply his findings that gas is not necessary for the internal combustion engine, found his car without breaks on a critical turn.

    Coming back to your question I believe that Haaretz is a source of accurate information.

    PS. Since you came through to me as an agile and inquiring mind I recomend an article by Chris Hedges about the state of our Universties today.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  53. Honesty says:

    In this distinguished analysis, did I read the word “Israel” anywhere? Seriously? You discuss foreign policy and ignore the powerful influence of The Lobby on Republicans and Democrats. Do you, even for a second, believe that the so-called elected, or even nominted, representatives are anyone other than the mindless bots placed in positions to achieve the goals of the master?
    They are all adults, sir. Just not free adults. They are slave adults to the masters. And DJT ain’t no different.

  54. Durruti says:
    @EliteComminc.

    I would point out that the Pentagon budget doesn’t come close as to the debt.

    What the hell?

    Some claim that The Military budget & that of the 16 associated Secret Agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.,) comprise 50% of the Government budget-expenses.

    This is one link: https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

    The Pentagon, and associated military spending, & secret agencies, “come close.” America spends more on Weapons of Mass Destruction than any other nation, (almost as much as the rest of the world combined).

    If you oppose the issuance of Social Security, and Medicare (inadequate as it is), just say so. Maybe you also oppose the Federal monitoring of food & water – for our safe consumption?

    Do you have your own private access to healthy food & potable water?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  55. Sparkon says:
    @Swan Knight

    Climate Change is a hoax, a socialist fantasy.

    Please.

    Climate change is a natural event on planet Earth.

    Without climate change, large parts of the American Midwest would still be buried under ice sheets up to a mile thick in some places halfway down Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio.

    Poor knowledge of history and geology along with lack of precision with language are the cardinal flaws that get many people in trouble with climate change.

    It is critical to distinguish between the established fact of natural climate change, on the one hand, and the contentious theory of man-made climate change, on the other, which holds that burning so-called fossil fuels contributes to a build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and that leads to runaway global warming because CO₂ is a so-called greenhouse gas.

    Cut to the chase: there is no proof of man-made climate change or global warming from human release of CO₂. There is abundant proof of natural climate change due to reasons we don’t understand, but which are most logically related to variations in solar output since the Sun is the source of virtually all heat on Earth.

    There is also irrefutable proof that climate on Earth varies from one geographical region to another. Thus, as the military forces of the United States continue to straddle the globe, they have to be prepared for a different climate — some might say climate change — that the deploying units may encounter.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  56. @Ahoy

    Even if I concede that every statement made above is true, that still doesn’t prove that Nuttyahoo said what you allege in your previous comment.

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. Mike P says:
    @follyofwar

    The biggest driver of “climate change” is nature itself – the ice ages came and went without any help from humans.

  58. @Sparkon

    Climate changes and changed all the time.
    For an analysis of climate change since the year 1000 CE
    ⦁ Le Roy Ladurie, ‘Histoire du climat depuis l’an mil’, Paris, 1983

  59. M Edward says:
    @Christo

    Yes, apparently Israel must have videos of the entire U.S. Federal Government having sex with animals as a deterrent from speaking out on the crimes, espionage and technology theft Israelis have committed against the U.S. since day-one…..

    Oded Yinion must be proud…..

    http://www.chuckmaultsby.net/id71.html

    • LOL: Ace
  60. Ahoy says:

    @ follyofwar

    I didn’t bring it out of my head.

    https://zaidpub.com/2013/11/14/once-we-squeeze-all-we-can-out-of-the-united-states-it-can-dry-up-and-blow-away-benjamin-netanyahu-2002/

    The situation in the USA is exactly the same as in Russia. The question that remains to be answered is at which point in time. Are we at the time of the Tsar’s assassination or at the Yeltsin years when out of the blue Putin came up and the Russians finally were liberated.

    I enjoyed immensly talking to you.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  61. Ace says:
    @Christo

    An excellent comment. Thank you.

    Amen on the Cone of Silence vis-a-vis our bestest pal ever in the whole WORLD. The Julie Andrews-style treatment of Israel in such movies as “Exodus” is no longer possible in our time. Their support for jihadi scum in Syria and the their snipers’ murder of a nurse and mere kids are likely to be watershed events in the perception of non-Jews of Israel as an admirable country. Videos of IDF treatment of Palestinian and the insufferable hypocrisy, above all, of building walls and an unapologetic Jews-only ethnostate at home while their allies in AIPAC, ADL, BB, AJC, ZOG, HIAS, Adelson, Saban, Soros, and Gelbaum, among others in the U.S. beaver away for open borders, multiculturalism, and white replacement do not sit well with those whom they despise so.

  62. Ace says:
    @Biff

    The approach to ground measurement of global temperature was, to use a scientific term, laughable, so I’ll reserve judgment on the ability of the boffins to measure atmospheric temps.

    It’s easy to measure CO2 levels at certain points, I presume, but I’m unaware that anyone questions global levels, the mass of atmospheric CO2 being so enormous.

    What’s missing, it seems to me, is the warmists determination to ignore or finesse that the percentage of the atmosphere that is manmade CO2 is somewhere between 0.o84-0.116%. And of all the CO2 in the atmosphere (3.6% of total atmosphere, hence a trace gas), 3.2% of that is generated by humans. I’m 180 lbs. before any alcohol consumption and if my weight represented the atmosphere, 6.5 lbs of me would represent all CO2 therein. 0.21 lbs would represent human-caused CO2, or 3.32 oz. On its face, it seems pretty ridiculous to posit that that 6.5 lbs. is the cause of all our problems and that we have to thrash around on the ground like children over 3.32 oz. of that. Catalysts have an effect far out of proportion to their weight but no one has ever argued that CO2 is a catalyst.

    Warmists like to talk about gigatons of CO2 belching into the atmosphere from factories and tailpipes operated by evil deniers but truth of the matter is that water vapor is a much more effective retainer of heat, causing temperatures to soar, soar I tell you, to the tune of 0.15 deg. C per century, or 0.0015 deg. C per YEAR. Except when it’s not.

    With these tiny quantities and minuscule temperature changes firmly in hand, we witness planetary meltdown and wise people issuing stern warnings of impending annoying inconvenience if not extinction of all life.

    • Replies: @Ace
  63. Ace says:
    @Nonny

    All due to a 1.33 deg.-C. temperature rise from 1900-2000 — until the temp stopped rising — to which rise man’s activities apparently contributed .0426 deg. C. If you think that such a small temperature rise caused gazillions of tons of ice to melt, well, more power to you. I suppose you’re really alarmed about that .0426 degrees C. that we “cause.”

    Well, reading YOUR comment has been a waste of time.

  64. Ace says:
    @Ace

    Sorry. 1.33 deg. not 0.15 deg.

  65. Ace says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Your link contains an interesting video of contrails starting and stopping. This is explained here.

    I’m afraid your idea of microwaves guiding weather fronts and creating tornadoes is just too fanciful.

    I do agree with about global warming BS.

  66. @Durruti

    Gamesmanship,

    Here’s the breakdown,

    https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320

    And here’s the reference I use. DOD spending usually hovers around 7 – 10%. 13% is higher than I am familiar with.

    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

    I have not ventured on the value of social services spending.

  67. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Why do you even bother replying to anyone who can write that dopey stuff about Rothschilds buying the British Empire after the Napoleonic Wars?

  68. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Are you too stupid to understand that your reply about what you say Netanyahu said undermines the credibility of the fake looking quote from Ahoy? Obviously you can’t provide any support or you wouldn’t blather about Netanyahu saying 911 was good for Israel. Of course it was just, as Pearl Harbour was good for the British – as Churchill made clear at the time.

  69. Ahoy says:

    @ Anon [171] #69

    A typical American swimming in a sea of ignorance. Why don’t you enlighten us then about what happened after Waterloo, the French revolution, the Act of 1871, the Khazars?

    Was there a Khazarian Empire? The Russian revolution was a revolution or an all out war between two different races, Russians against Khazars?

    If any one is dopey it is you, total IGNORAMOUS.

    Do you believe that America lives in total democracy? Do you know that the City is private land on which London has no juristiction? So is District of Columbia.

    Buy, buy DOPE.

  70. Ahoy says:

    @ Anon [171]

    Start learning for whom Americans, Brits, Australians, Canadians die in the fields all over the world.

    You are about 1500 years behind European history.

  71. mike shoen says: • Website

    The warfare state, the military industrial complex, the national security state — they are all the same. Lots of money for the military-industrial-governmental-intelligence complex and **** for the rest of us, and death and destruction for our supposed enemies — the products of our own provocations. Endless war, war without end, endless enemies, in search of enemies, etc. The mind-control, propaganda-mill MSM has triumphed. Youtube “people are stupid — a history of the national security state”.

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