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Honestly, I don’t know whether to rant or weep, neither of which are usual impulses for me. In the wake of the slaughter in Paris, I have the urge to write one of two sentences here: Paris changed everything; Paris changes nothing. Each is, in its own way, undoubtedly true. And here’s a third sentence I know to be true: This can’t end well.

Other than my hometown, New York, Paris is perhaps the city where I’ve felt most at ease. I’ve never been to Baghdad (where Paris-style Islamic State terror events are relatively commonplace); or Beirut, where they just began; or Syria’s ravaged Aleppo (thank you, Bashar al-Assad of barrel-bomb terror fame); or Mumbai (which experienced an early version of such a terror attack); or Sana’a, the capital of Yemen, now partly destroyed by the U.S.-backed Saudi air force; or Kabul, where Taliban attacks on restaurants have become the norm; or Turkey’s capital, Ankara, where Islamic State suicide bombers recently killed 97 demonstrators at a peace rally. But I have spent time in Paris. And so, as with my own burning, acrid city on September 11, 2001, I find myself particularly repulsed by the barbaric acts of civilian slaughter carried out by three well-trained, well-organized, well-armed suicide teams evidently organized as a first strike force from the hell of the Islamic State (IS) in Syria and Iraq.

The Paris attacks should not, however, be seen primarily as acts of revenge from a distinctly twisted crew, even though one of the murderers reportedly shouted, “You killed our brothers in Syria and now we are here.” Instead, they were clearly acts of calculated provocation meant to reshape our world in grim ways. Worse yet, their effectiveness was pre-guaranteed because, as has been true since 9/11, the leaders of such terror groups, starting with Osama bin Laden, have grasped the dynamics of our world, of what makes us tick and especially what provokes us into our own barbarous acts, so much better than our leaders, our militaries, or our national security states have understood them (or, for that matter, themselves).

Here in a nutshell is what bin Laden grasped before 9/11: with modest millions of dollars and a relatively small number of followers, he and his movement couldn’t hope to create the world of their fervid dreams. If, however, he could lure the planet’s “sole superpower” into stepping into his universe, military first, it would change everything and so do his work for him. And indeed (see: invasion of Afghanistan, invasion of Iraq), an operation mounted for an estimated $400,000 to $500,000, using 19 dedicated (mostly Saudi) followers armed only with paper cutters, did just that.

And it’s never stopped since because, just as bin Laden dreamed, Washington helped loose al-Qaeda and its successor outfits from the constraints of a more organized, controlled world. In these last 14 years of failed wars and conflicts of every sort, American military power, aided and abetted by the Saudis, the British, the French, and other countries on a case-by-case basis, essentially fractured the Greater Middle East. It helped create five failed states (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen), worlds in which terror groups could thrive and in the chaos of which they could attract ever more recruits.

Wiping Out the Gray Zones

Think of the Islamic State and various al-Qaeda crews as having developed (to steal a term from commentator John Feffer) “splinterlands” strategies. To continue to grow, they need the U.S. and its allies to lend them an eternally destructive hand to further smash the worlds around them. So in response to the Paris attacks, French President Francois Hollande’s statement that “we will lead a war which will be pitiless” was just what the terror doctor ordered, as was the growing pressure in Washington for a “big military response” to Paris. The first French reprisal air strikes against IS’s Syrian “capital,” Raqqa, were indeed launched within two days.

All of this is like manna from heaven for the Islamic State, the more “pitiless” the better. After all, that group’s goal, as they write in their magazine and online, is “the extinction of the gray zone” in our world. In other words, they seek the sharpening of distinctions everywhere, which means the opening of abysses where complexity and interaction once existed. Their dream is to live in a black-and-white world of utter religious and political clarity (and calamity), while engaging in what American pundits like to term a “clash of civilizations.” And — what a joy for the Islamic State! — Republican presidential candidates are already responding to the Paris attacks, as Marco Rubio did, by calling for just such “a civilizational conflict with radical Islam.” As he put it, “This is not a grievance-based conflict. This is a clash of civilizations… And either they win, or we win.” Jeb Bush similarly responded: “This is an organized effort to destroy Western civilization and we need to lead in this regard.” The answer, of course, is “war.” Various Republican candidates are also now calling for only accepting Syrian Christians as refugees here. You can’t be more black and white than that.

In the European context and with the destruction of those “gray zones” in mind, the Paris attacks should also be considered the Islamic State’s first foray into the politics of the 2017 French presidential campaign. Think of those mass killings as a wholehearted endorsement of the extremist candidate Marine le Pen, whose poll numbers were already on the rise even before the attacks, and her anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant National Front Party. She is now, in effect, IS’s chosen candidate, the one most likely to go after gray zones. In the process, of course, pressure on France’s large, increasingly isolated Muslim population will only increase.

ORDER IT NOW

Such attacks are guaranteed to put wind in the already billowing sails of far right-wing parties all across Europe. It should, for instance, have come as no surprise that, in the wake of the Paris attacks, Konrad Szymanski, the European affairs minister for Poland’s new far-right government, almost instantly declared his country unlikely to abide by recently negotiated European Union (EU) quotas on accepting refugees from the Greater Middle East. And we’re only going to see more of this in the post-Paris world. With the assistance of IS and other jihadist groups, the elimination of such gray areas in Europe could, in the end, help crack the EU open, while pushing France’s Muslims into an even worse situation, which would, of course, mean more potential recruits for groups like the Islamic State.

In other words, from IS’s point of view, the Paris attacks and other acts like them represent a potential horn of plenty. Sadly, it’s not the only organization that will reap such benefits — and I’m not just referring to other jihadist outfits either. Such acts are, after a fashion, similarly useful in the Western world. Think of it as a kind of unspoken bargain between two “civilizations” from hell.

Take the United States, a place where, in the years since 9/11, the danger of being attacked by an Islamic terrorist could be slotted in somewhere between being “shot” by your dog and being shot by a toddler who has found a loaded, unlocked gun in your house, purse, or car. Among the many perils of American life from car crashes to suicide, E. coli illnesses to floods, injuries from crumbling infrastructure to mass killings by non-Islamic lone wolves, Islamic terrorism remains at the bottom of the barrel in the company of other frightening but rare events like shark attacks. Yet the American national security state has essentially been built and funded to protect you from that danger alone.

Put another way, the officials of that security state have bet the farm on the preeminence of the terrorist “threat,” which has, not so surprisingly, left them eerily reliant on the Islamic State and other such organizations for the perpetuation of their way of life, their career opportunities, their growing powers, and their relative freedom to infringe on basic rights, as well as for that comfortably all-embracing blanket of secrecy that envelops their activities. Note that, as with so many developments in our world which have caught them by surprise, the officials who run our vast surveillance network and its staggering ranks of intelligence operatives and analysts seemingly hadn’t a clue about the IS plot against Paris (even though intelligence officials in at least one other country evidently did). Nonetheless, whether they see actual threats coming or not, they need Paris-style alarms and nightmares, just as they need local “plots,” even ones semi-engineered by FBI informers or created online by lone idiots, not lone wolves. Otherwise, why would the media keep prattling on about terrorism or presidential candidates keep humming the terror tune, and how, then, would public panic levels remain reasonably high on the subject when so many other dangers are more pressing in American life?

The relationship between that ever-more powerful shadow government in Washington and the Islamic terrorists of our planet is both mutually reinforcing and unnervingly incestuous. Both, of course, emerge as winners when the gray zones begin to disappear. When Paris is hit, after all, law enforcement agencies in the U.S. instantly increase their “alert levels”; the CIA director pushes back hard against “hand-wringing over intrusive government spying” and the minimalist restrictions on electronic surveillance put in place in recent years; the FBI heightens “its surveillance of Americans under investigation for apparent ties to the Islamic State”; and, among other things, more police patrols are sent out in major cities, while local law enforcement “vigilance” rises even in places like Niagara Falls, New York. In Los Angeles, post-Paris, extra patrols were typically sent “to ‘critical sites’ and [the city’s police department was] monitoring the ongoing situation, even though it said there were no known threats.”

The lack of obvious threats is, of course, beside the point when American “safety” is at stake! In the meantime, the road toward a more locked-down, secretive, governmentally intrusive, less democratic world is being well paved.

A Dance of Death

Think of this as a kind of global danse macabre in which ISIS attacks — eight committed guys, some possibly trained in combat in Syria or Iraq, with AK-47s, suicide vests, and rental cars — spread death, chaos, panic, and alarm in our world at next to no cost at all. In response, Washington and its allies engage in a big-budget version of the same, including intensified air campaigns which will, of course, end up taking out civilian targets and infrastructure.

Think of what the U.S. military does when it heads out to destroy those gray zones as the Kobane or Sinjar Strategy. Kobane was a largely Kurdish town on the Turkish border that IS militants besieged and partially took in 2014. They were driven back early this year by the same combination of forces that recently retook the town of Sinjar in northern Iraq: Kurdish fighters and American warplanes. By the time both were retaken, American bombs and Islamic State IEDs and booby-trapped houses had insured that those towns would be largely uninhabitable wrecks, littered with corpses and the skeletons of buildings.

Similarly, plans by the U.S. to intensify the bombing of those Syrian oilfields under the control of the Islamic state (to cut into its supply of funds) reflect a strategy that, whatever its immediate successes, is guaranteed to further wreck the infrastructure of the region. This will help ensure that, no matter what happens to the Islamic State, “Syria” or any state structure like it will be no more. Such acts of destruction, largely from the air, have been taking place across the Greater Middle East since 2001. From Libya to Syria, Iraq to Yemen, the Sinjar Strategy has demonstrably done little to bring success to the U.S. and its allies in their various wars. It has, however, helped create a zone of failed and increasingly fragile states. It has left uprooted populations leading skeletal lives in haunted lands that are also hunting grounds for extremists of every sort. Consider this the dream world of Osama bin Laden and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as well as the perfect breeding ground for yet more extreme nightmares of our age. A dance of death indeed.

ORDER IT NOW

As it happens, I’ve barely ranted and not yet wept. If anything, on reaching the end of this piece, I find myself depressed. The future shouldn’t be so easy to see or so repetitively predictable. And it’s a terrible thing to know that, as the gray zones of our planet continue to disappear and wrecked worlds spread, the tempo of that dance of mutual death and destruction stands every chance of speeding up as the “music” only grows louder.

Tom Engelhardt is a co-founder of the American Empire Project and the author of The United States of Fear as well as a history of the Cold War, The End of Victory Culture. He is a fellow of the Nation Institute and runs TomDispatch.com. His latest book is Shadow Government: Surveillance, Secret Wars, and a Global Security State in a Single-Superpower World.

(Republished from TomDispatch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Jim says:

    The sensible course of action for the West is to stop further Moslem immigration and begin expelling the Moslems already living in the West back to where they came from. Becoming involved in the internal conflicts of the Middle East is senseless. Deliberately destabilizing the Middle East is very dangerous. The Middle East will be unstable enough if left alone.

    Europeans and North Africans/Middle Easterners put together are like two scorpions in a bottle. A wall of separation bertween the two is the only way to avoid immense violence.

    • Replies: @Lavoisier
    , @annamaria
  2. jd says:

    The establishment of the Crusader states and the impaling of Ottoman invaders in Wallachia (as well as decisive military defeats at Leponto and the Gates of Vienna kept Islam contained for centuries. The notion that military action can’t beat them back is absurd.

    Not the military action WE’RE doing, which is even more absurd, though.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @Jim
  3. So, Engelhardt is depressed. How sad. But one thing is certain, Engelhardt will never take you to the real danger zones, here’s what his CIA liaised Ford Foundation funded ‘alternative media’ will NEVER cover:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/11/18/the-real-intelligence-on-our-leaders/

    Referencing:

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Better had Obama truthfully stated ‘our clandestine agencies employing state terror to overthrow Assad has backfired’

    Speaking directly to the above intelligence report, the western powers enabling the rise of Islamic State, according to the former boss of the Defense Intelligence Agency, General Mike Flynn, “was willful” & “a policy decision”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4

    Why didn’t Obama, Hollande and company consider their clandestinely promoting the rise of Islamic State as a device to overthrow Assad was “an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians [and] an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” ??

  4. Engelhardt is clearly a disinfo agent. He pushes this stale old Osama Bin Laden nonsense. And he pushes this whole ISIS story, as if ISIS is some real independent entity that has the capacity to carry out these kinds of attacks. Of course, it doesn’t. ISIS, to the extent it exists, is completely infiltrated by Western intelligence agencies.

    And to make matters worse, he’s a poor writer, tedious and long-winded. It is just completely worthless left gatekeeper crap.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    , @annamaria
  5. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Look, if the West is about redemption by racial suicide for ‘white guilt’, then it should welcome terrorists who are helping whites in their self-destruction.

    There should be no clash in western suicidal values and third world homicidal values.

    Terrorists are just offering assisted suicide.

    It’s like the ending of Zardoz.

  6. Jim says:
    @jd

    Throughout most of the more than 1300 years of conflict between the West and Islam the West had a strong numerical advantage. That is no longer true. The Moslem populations adjacent to Europe have never been larger relative to the population of Europe. The Moslem population is also much younger.

    • Agree: Travis
  7. Lavoisier says:
    @Jim

    Mr. Engelhardt,

    I share your dismay with the response of the West to the Paris attacks. Continuing with endless wars in the Middle East for the sake of some “SAFE ZONE” for the territorial ambitions of Israel is madness, although one can certainly sympathize with people in Israel wanting to be safe, just not with their greed.

    But what about the West? While we should try to wind down any further military engagement over there and do what we can to repair the enormous damage that we have caused in the Middle East with our ill-planned escapades, we cannot neglect our own safety. First and foremost we have to stop importing Muslims into the West. There is no upside to this importation and plenty of potential and real downsides. Why can’t we just take this obvious first step to protect our people? And quite honestly, when a commentator fails to even consider this as a reasonable course of action, as you have, I question your sincerity in dealing with this very significant problem to our way of life.

    Secondly, we should be aggressive in deporting Muslim immigrants who preach hate for our nations and our people or who are not employed and doing nothing but collecting welfare and reproducing like rabbits. ZERO tolerance for this kind of nonsense. I am cautiously optimistic that these two strategies would work to heal the divisions between us, as the Muslims who remain would have to contribute in a positive way to our civilization or go back to their ancestral lands.

    Of course none of this is likely to happen, as it is just common sense and a reasonable approach to a very serious and ongoing problem. So we will continue on with our self-destructive ways until our civilization has been so compromised and terrorized that even the brain dead left will stop celebrating diversity and join in the sectarian conflicts and bloodshed that will have been forced upon us by our traitorous elites.

  8. If, however, he could lure the planet’s “sole superpower” into stepping into his universe, military first, it would change everything and so do his work for him. And indeed (see: invasion of Afghanistan, invasion of Iraq), an operation mounted for an estimated $400,000 to $500,000, using 19 dedicated (mostly Saudi) followers armed only with paper cutters, did just that. ”

    The Taleban was kicked out of Afghanistan in about 2 weeks. The problem was that the NeoCons took the opportunity of 9-11 to launch the war in Iraq , thereby neglacting Afghanistan. The problem also is Pakistan supports the Afghan Taleban and indeed created them. The West needs to take Pakistan and Saudi to task for their support of Jihadis. The West also needs to call out the NeoCons and ban them from ever influencing politics.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  9. szopen says:

    Polish government is “far-right”?? Then republicans in US are so extreme right, that they do not even fit on a scale…

    PiS (Law and Justice, a party which win the Polish elections) are moderately left on economic issues and conservative on social issues. They are openly catholic and nationalist, but they support UE, they are against racism, xenophobia and so on. How they could be described as “far-right” is beyond me. I mean, our home-grown left newspapers are screaming all the time abotu fascist who took over the Poland, but who takes left-wing newspapers seriously?

  10. unit472 says:

    While there is kernel of truth to Englehardt’s ‘dilemma’ in that asymmetrical warfare imposes an higher ( initial ) cost on the advanced society these ‘wars’ have been waged throughout history and resolved with the defeat of the savage.

    Consider American history. Native American peoples had to be subdued and their culture turned into a cartoon version of the real thing. Those who could adapt to the new circumstances did so and now run casinos, ranches and tourist attractions. Those that didn’t drank and ate themselves into early graves on their reservations. Freed slaves after the Civil War threatened to turn the 11 Southern States into racial battlegrounds absent the imposition of strict social controls on this , now useless, population. You just have to impose limits and get on with it!

    • Replies: @Max Payne
  11. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The Syrian Refugees are being brought into the US so as to rapidly expand the scale of the exponentially growing nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc. This is far worse, and way more violent than any possible Muslim “American” Male Yoot terrorist attack on US Soil.

    The San Francisco Homo degenerates over at antiwar.com see the Syrian Refugees as more Democratic Party Voters…and this=legalized homo filth marriage.

    Larger issue:The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act=Muslim Michigan+The Turkish conquest of the Poconos…

    • Replies: @hbm
  12. Rehmat says:

    Paris false flags changed nothing. It added more lies to 9/11 and 7/7. It solidified the concept of new ENEMY after the hoax of Communism during the Cold War, which could be termed “Clash of Judeo-Christianity”.

    The new ENEMY is Islam. It provides all the western mafia need to establish dictatorships around the world by aborting liberties and freedom of dissent.

    Huntington’s “Clash of Civilization” was lie. Its agenda was to start a never-ending war between the Christian west and Muslim East, for the benefit of Zionist Mafia.

    American Jewish academic and former UN envoy, Dr. Richard Falk, has claimed that there was never “Clash of Civilization” between Muslims and Jews until the anti-Muslim western powers planted state of Israel in the middle of Muslim world.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/02/05/jewish-scholar-imam-khomeini-was-a-true-revolutionary/

  13. @Jonathan Revusky

    Agreed. This is the last time I click on Engelhardt’s dreck.

  14. Max Payne says:
    @unit472

    Limits like culling 10 odd million Native Americans to manageable numbers? You know they call that genocide in the civilized world.

    Astounding the similarities of US thinking to Nazism…

    • Replies: @guest
    , @MarkinLA
  15. guest says:
    @Max Payne

    10 million seems high, but however many died only a fraction were killed on purpose, and only a part of that fraction were murdered. Which means the term “genocide” is inappropriate (or everyone accused of genocide is alot better than I thought). Anyway, the whites would’ve won no matter how many reds there were, eventually.

  16. annamaria says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Just be patient. Engelhardt writes: “…the officials of that security state have bet the farm on the preeminence of the terrorist “threat,” which has, not so surprisingly, left them eerily reliant on the Islamic State and other such organizations for the perpetuation of their way of life, their career opportunities, their growing powers, and their relative freedom to infringe on basic rights, as well as for that comfortably all-embracing blanket of secrecy that envelops their activities.”
    That is a very solid summary.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  17. annamaria says:
    @Jim

    “…begin expelling the Moslems already living in the West back to where they came from.”

    That would be a fabulous plan … but their houses are demolished; the infrastructure is destroyed, the schools for children and hospitals went in smoke along with the houses and infrastructure. Perhaps this is time for you to turn to PNAC and other architects of the Middle Eastern wars and ask them why all these hordes of people are risking their lives and dragging their small children to some distant lands instead of staying in their native villages and cities. Where do you want to send them – to Fallujah and such? Why had the Irish villagers abandoned, en masse, their native villages and why had Jews abandoned, en masse, their shtettles for America in the 18th-19th centuries?
    As for nowadays, the enthusiastic architects of the Middle Eastern wars have never been asked to pay for the consequences of the wars. No Middle Eastern state had been attacking the US/EU/ Israel when the “coalition of the willing” began demolishing the functioning states, one after another: Iraq, Libya, Syria… Was not it Tony the Pious that pronounced loudly a lie that the Iraq’s “WMD to be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them.”
    A trial or two with total confiscation of all assets would have created a miracle and would have, at least stopped the war profiteers from inflicting more damages in the distant lands and from making millions of human beings into refugees. Even today, a proper judicial oversight, and proper punishment of the war profiteers could make funds available for maintaining an immediate cessation of the war activity and for creation the temporary cities for the victims of the wars near their ruined states. But the reality is not promising. See Erdogan’s son profiteering thought commerce with ISIS and Biden’s son ready to assume a post in Ukraine’s Burisma to “guide” extraction of mineral resources there.
    http://olympia.gr/2015/11/24/erdogans-son-bilal-erdogan-smuggles-illegal-isiss-oil-russianplane-syria/
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/05/14/hunter-bidens-new-job-at-a-ukrainian-gas-company-is-a-problem-for-u-s-soft-power/

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Rurik
  18. Jim says:
    @annamaria

    In 1948 Secretary of State George Marshall and virtually the entire US foreign policy establishment advised Truman not to become involved in the internal conflicts of the Middle East. Unfortunately Truman choose not to follow that advice which would have saved the US from enormous human and financial costs.

    US involvement in the internal conflicts of the Middle East has had disastrous consequences.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @bunga
  19. RobinG says:
    @Jim

    You really glossed over that big time!!! Truman was advised not to support a Jewish State in the Levant (JSIL).

  20. MarkinLA says:
    @greysquirrell

    Both Carter and Reagan armed the Taliban in our covert war with the USSR so it ain’t just Pakistan.

  21. MarkinLA says:
    @Max Payne

    I always ask those people who got that 25 million in North America number from some boob – where is the evidence of large scale settlements in North America by Indian tribes? One guy once pointed out some place on the Mississippi river that died out by the year 1350 or so that was estimated to have had 10,000 inhabitants – well you only need about 499 more of those to get to 5 million. These people had no technology to support a large population.

    We can find evidence of the Vikings settlements in North America and those settlements are extremely small yet we have none of Indians outside of a few places in the east and west coasts and nothing that would indicate a large population.

    The Trail of Tears was less than 20,000 people and when the Sioux and their allies defeated Custer their combined camp was also less than 20,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they all died from smallpox the minute the whites landed.

  22. hbm says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Marxists in charge of immigration policy and Muslim vaginas are infinitely more dangerous than AK-47s and suicide vests.

  23. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    “…the officials of that security state have bet the farm on the preeminence of the terrorist “threat,” which has, not so surprisingly, left them eerily reliant on the Islamic State and other such organizations for the perpetuation of their way of life, their career opportunities, their growing powers, and their relative freedom to infringe on basic rights, as well as for that comfortably all-embracing blanket of secrecy that envelops their activities.”

    That is a very solid summary.

    I agree

    Even today, a proper judicial oversight, and proper punishment of the war profiteers could make funds available for maintaining an immediate cessation of the war activity and for creation the temporary cities for the victims of the wars near their ruined states.

    but that’s not in line with the agenda

    Zionism means two thing simultaneously

    Israel is to become a racially pure state while all white (dormant Nazi) nations are to become blended. So as Israel’s neighbors are sent reeling into the stone age, the refugees are going to be doing their job in Europe, eventually preventing for all time any chance whatsoever of that little glitch in Germany ever being a potential redux.

    “Never Again”

  24. @annamaria

    Just to be clear, the issue with these sorts of left gatekeepers is not that everything they say is wrong or that they never provide any worthwhile insights.

    For example, Noam Chomsky is somebody I consider to be kind of a classic left gatekeeper and I would be the first to admit that sometimes Chomsky says things that are worthwhile and I would even grant that one can learn things from him. The problem is that what he says is laced with disinfo and he is also — I am pretty sure — purposefully throwing one off the scent. He will never address the question of the Zionist power configuration. And all his bloviating about “conspiracy theories” is just cringeworthy, of course.

    In short, that you can quote a paragraph that Engelhardt wrote that makes sense, that I also agree with — this does not alter my general impression that I expressed above.

  25. bunga says:

    https://lobelog.com/muslims-and-nationalism-a-different-model/
    Insightful but definitely un American /un Western thoughts and devastatingly un Neocon musings .

  26. bunga says:
    @Jim

    I thought everybody from Republican to Democrat and from the religious leaders to the secular establishment in the media were on board . Only a handful in the administration and State Department pushed against it
    But then my knowledge is limited .There were enormous the pressures on the governments of Phillipnes , Latin America Cuba, Greece, France, Liberia and on India and it came from within the US government and the supreme court .
    Indian representatives were even threatened of bodily harms if it did not vote . India did not vote in favor of Israeli creation

    UN General Assembly resolution did not even go to security council . UNGA resolution by itself was insufficient and non binding .So technically the recognition of Israel is still invalid from UN’s own charter

  27. Treating Marie Le Pen as morally equivalent to the Neocons is pretty grotesque.

    I guess they’d say the same at National Review. :p

  28. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:

    sk them why all these hordes of people are risking their lives and dragging their small children to some distant lands instead of staying in their native villages and cities

    They built those villages and cities….why would we want people who build places that are so bad they flee from them here?

  29. geokat62 says:

    … people who build places that are so bad…

    What, exactly, are you suggesting, Mr. Rediger?

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
  30. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:
    @geokat62

    What, exactly, are you suggesting, Mr. Rediger

    I love my country and its people and have no wish to replace either of them…and if I did, bizarrely, decide to replace them it would be with a group of people with a better track record of function that Middle Easterners.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  31. geokat62 says:
    @This Is Our Home

    I love my country and its people and have no wish to replace either of them…

    If you truly mean that, you should be totally against the PNAC plan to remake the ME. So the interesting question is, why aren’t you?

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
  32. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:
    @geokat62

    If you truly mean that, you should be totally against the PNAC plan to remake the ME. So the interesting question is, why aren’t you?

    I doubt that PNAC has a plan to remake the ME and I doubly doubt that they have the power. I understand that many people on this site believe that they are a ‘hidden hand’ in world affairs but I strongly prefer ‘invisible hand’ explanations.

    As for whether I would support this imagined plan: perhaps it would be good for the ME to have new borders, perhaps not. I don’t think that the current ones are working very well, but I’m also not sure that any others would work better.

    If I were omnipotent I would probably give the Kurds a homeland. I might also allow the Sunni Arabs of the fertile crescent to live in the Islamic state that they seem to want. My mind changes on these things from day to day, I am no expert.

    Not that this hypothetical matters; I am not omnipotent, and I am not passionate on this issue. Other things stir me.

    Instead I am ‘for’ my small island nation asserting our borders, and the people coming together to create a healthy society again.

    My path only crosses with you because you make arguments which are so implausible that they ‘trigger’ me. To be honest, most of the time I suspect that I am being trolled, or rather the site is.

    ‘Hidden hand’ explanations are generally extremely simplistic explanations for incredibly complicated events and it is quite infuriating the way in which their proponents trumpet their own brilliance while actually demonstrating their clear shortcomings.

    I have no idea what your obsession with Israel and Jews stems from. I have been good friends with a number of Arabs and they generally sound like psychopaths when the topic of the Jews comes up. So I suspect that you are one also. Rene Girard would argue that they are at the last stage of a mimetic conflict with them, so I worry, because I am reasonably humane, that the Arabs will try to wipe them all out.

    Nonetheless, the future of my country is a much more pressing concern for me and we can quite easily shut our borders regardless of what occurs in the rest of the world.

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  33. geokat62 says:
    @This Is Our Home

    I doubt that PNAC has a plan to remake the ME and I doubly doubt that they have the power… I am no expert… My path only crosses with you because you make arguments which are so implausible that they ‘trigger’ me.

    Mr. Rediger, none of us are experts, but if I furnish you with the documents that support my position that PNAC indeed formulated a plan to remake the ME and that the Lobby indeed has the power to influence its implementation, would you be willing accept that our arguments are sufficiently plausible to help explain where our “obsession with Israel and Jews stems from”?

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  34. annamaria says:

    “…perhaps it would be good for the ME to have new borders, perhaps not.”
    Exactly: this rootless approach to other peoples’ wellbeing is the key to the PNAC plan, namely, recreation of mythical Israel by way of the eradicating the functioning neighboring states.

    ” …have been good friends with a number of Arabs and they generally sound like psychopaths when the topic of the Jews comes up.” An interesting observation; I have observed the similar psychopathic responses from Jews when the topic of Arabs comes on. Stunningly, even the most peaceful Jews suddenly lose their bearing and start yelling, literally, “death to all arabs.” Reminds of a family feud.
    Look at the native Palestinians that are the descendants of ancient Jews, those that lived in Israel during the very short period of glory of the Jewish Kingdom. Today, the newcomers from the former USSR and US, some with no (zero, zilch) relation to Israel and Judaism, are the mortal enemies of Palestinians; the newcomers allow themselves the most obscene proclamations against other humans beings, which are in glaring contradiction to everything noble and good in Jewish tradition. Nothing is uglier than family feud.

  35. annamaria says:
    @This Is Our Home

    “They built those villages and cities….why would we want people who build places that are so bad they flee from them here?”

    It was not honest to use another person’ words out of context. Here are is a paragraph that you, for some reason, decided to turn into a discussion on the quality of dwellings:

    “That would be a fabulous plan [to “begin expelling the Moslems already living in the West back to where they came from”], but their houses are demolished; the infrastructure is destroyed, the schools for children and hospitals went in smoke along with the houses and infrastructure. Perhaps this is time for you to turn to PNAC and other architects of the Middle Eastern wars and ask them why all these hordes of people are risking their lives and dragging their small children to some distant lands instead of staying in their native villages and cities. Where do you want to send them – to Fallujah and such? Why had the Irish villagers abandoned, en masse, their native villages and why had Jews abandoned, en masse, their shtettles for America in the 18th-19th centuries?”

    My question was about the mass emigration of Jews from Eastern Europe in the beginning of the 20th century. According to you words, they abandoned theirs shtetls and drugged their small children and elderly parents to the distant lands because they “build places that are so bad they flee from them here.” Any more revelations about refugees from war zones?

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  36. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:
    @geokat62

    Mr. Rediger, none of us are experts, but if I furnish you with the documents that support my position that PNAC indeed formulated a plan to remake the ME and that the Lobby indeed has the power to influence its implementation, would you be willing accept that our arguments are sufficiently plausible to help explain where our “obsession with Israel and Jews stems from”?

    It would go some of the way, but, in the end, I care about domestic issues the most. If you could show that Israelis were colonising my country then I would be on board. Or if you could show that Israelies were colonising your country I would be sympathetic, but then sympathy is cheap…

    You might say that I am callous for caring about my country above all, but that would be inhuman of you. We each only have a finite amount of care to spread around and my priorities are my family, my friends, my neighbours and my countrymen, in that order. Anything else would be disconcerting, don’t you think?

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  37. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:
    @annamaria

    My question was about the mass emigration of Jews from Eastern Europe in the beginning of the 20th century. According to you words, they abandoned theirs shtetls and drugged their small children and elderly parents to the distant lands because they “build places that are so bad they flee from them here.” Any more revelations about refugees from war zones

    Eastern Europe was not the Jewish homeland. Syria is the Syrian homeland. That is the crucial difference and why I apportioned responsibility to the Syrians for the state of Syria and not the Jews for the state of Eastern Europe.

    I think the Americans were crazy to let anyone in who wasn’t Anglo-Saxon, and their descendants have paid the price – I mean they had just stolen a beautiful land and then just gave it away!

    However there are degrees of crazy and letting in a quite hostile population of hundreds of thousands from a civil war wracked country is even further along the spectrum.

  38. geokat62 says:
    @This Is Our Home

    If you could show that Israelis were colonising my country then I would be on board.

    I’m inferring from one of your previous posts that you’re British:

    We don’t bomb Bangladesh in the UK yet there are many, many more Bangladeshis here than Iraqis or Syrians.

    If that’s an accurate assumption, my next question is this: have you ever viewed Dispatches, Inside Britain’s Israel Lobby?

    http://youtu.be/-LBM-cAGfdI

    Or if you could show that Israelies were colonising your country I would be sympathetic

    My country is right next door to the US, whose foreign policy has a much more dramatic impact on world affairs than does Canada’s FP. My next question is this: have you ever read Mearsheimer and Walt’s The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy? They clearly demonstrate that if it were not for the influence of The Lobby, the invasion of Iraq would never have occurred.

    To save you time, I’ve linked to the 60 page essay.

    http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf

    Finally, to demonstrate the PNAC indeed developed a plan to remake the ME, here is a link to the policy paper they presented to Bibi Nut’nYahoo back in 1996.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

    After viewing and reading this material, there is only one thing left to say: welcome aboard, Robert!

  39. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:

    If that’s an accurate assumption, my next question is this: have you ever viewed Dispatches, Inside Britain’s Israel Lobby?

    We have many lobbies which are much more powerful such as the pro-EU lobby. The latter has removed our borders and removed our sovereignty.

    My next question is this: have you ever read Mearsheimer and Walt’s The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy? They clearly demonstrate that if it were not for the influence of The Lobby, the invasion of Iraq would never have occurred.

    When there are many voices arguing for war it is extraordinary to pick one out and label it the deciding factor.

    The Israel Lobby has not persuaded America to attack Iran. Nor was it responsible for Vietnam or Korea. The limits of their power are obvious, no matter what you have concluded from one book.

    Finally, to demonstrate the PNAC indeed developed a plan to remake the ME, here is a link to the policy paper they presented to Bibi Nut’nYahoo back in 1996.

    Derren Brown, an English television ‘mentalist’, visited an old lady on his show once. When he got there she was shocked to see him and in awe of him. You see the week before she had received a letter from him telling her what the lottery numbers would be that week! Which is pretty amazing.

    But Darren Brown later revealed that he had sent out every possible combination to lots of addresses and then visited the only successful one.

    Someone has scoured the thousands of differing Israeli policy papers and found one which is sort of coming true and declared it strange but it would be stranger if they couldn’t find one.

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  40. geokat62 says:
    @This Is Our Home

    Wow, with that response, I can definitely say you certainly are someone who is desperately seeking the truth. If you are not already in politics, may I suggest you pursue that as a possible career path, as you’ve provided a smashing demonstration of “spinning the truth.”

    Could you also do me a favour, could demonstrate your unique skill set by putting forward your best arguments that:

    The world is flat?
    The sun revolves around the earth?
    The universe is only 6 thousand years old?

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