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Two years ago, I asked, “Will Russia Leave the West?” The world’s largest territorial country—sprawling from its major European city St. Petersburg to its vast Far Eastern territories and long border with China—Russia cannot, of course, depart the West geographically. But it can do so politically, economically, and strategically. Indeed, where Russia belongs, where it should seek its identity, security, and future—in the East or in the West—has divided the nation’s policy-makers and intellectual elites for centuries.

In our times, as I also pointed out two years ago, a Russia departed, or driven, from the West would likely mean “a Russia—with its vast territories, immense natural resources, world-class sciences, formidable military and nuclear power, and UN Security Council veto—allied solidly with all the other emerging powers that are not part the US-NATO Western ‘world order’ and even opposed to it. And, of course, it would drive Russia increasingly afar from the West’s liberalizing influences, back toward its more authoritarian traditions.”

That’s why the controversy provoked by President Trump (and French President Emmanuel Macron) in seeking that Russia be readmitted to the G7/8, from which it was in effect expelled in 2014 for its annexation of Crimea, is so important—and so uninformed. Purportedly, the (now) G7 is the elite club of prosperous functioning democracies. In reality, Russia under President Boris Yeltsin was neither when it was admitted in 1997. The decision was political—to assure Moscow that Russia was welcome in the West and indeed part of it, potentially including its security arrangements.

Expelling Russia sent the opposite message, as did moving the metaphorical “Iron Curtain” from Berlin to Russia’s border through a myriad of other exclusions and sanctions. And as did, above all, expanding NATO to Russia’s borders, the exceedingly unwise policy begun by President Bill Clinton and continued under President Obama. The result has already been two wars, in Georgia in 2008 and the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, and a Russian-Chinese relationship so close and expansive that its current leaders refer to each other as “best friends.” (Having come to power in 2000 as a pro-Western modernizer, Putin’s own evolution in response to these developments should be clear to any fair-minded observer.)

Underpinning these Washington follies was the notion, also promoted by President Obama and apparently still widespread in the sanction-happy US Congress, that Russia could and should be “isolated” in world affairs. Suffice it to point out that today it is said that the United States is being isolated in international relations. Meanwhile, Russia’s seemingly tireless foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, may be busier diplomatically than any of his counterparts around the world, certainly among the major powers.

Little if any of this seems to be understood by the US political-media establishment. Astonishingly, though perhaps not, US-Russian relations, still Washington’s single most important bilateral relationship, not only because of their nuclear arsenals, was not an issue in the recent Democratic presidential debates. We can therefore only guess whether or not any of the featured candidates would as president seek to reverse Russia’s drift away from the West—the one candidate who says she would do so, Tulsi Gabbard, having been excluded from the debates.

Stephen F. Cohen is a professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University. A Nation contributing editor, his most recent book War With Russia? From Putin & Ukraine to Trump & Russiagate is available in paperback and in an ebook edition. His weekly conversations with the host of The John Batchelor Show, now in their sixth year, are available at www.thenation.com.

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  1. Agreed, Professor.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  2. Russia’s designation as a “Western” nation seems to be a post-USSR phenomenon. My understanding is that a great deal of 19th and 20th century Russian history was driven by collective effort to first learn from, equal; then supercede, improve upon, or transcend the West. In music and literature, for example, many of the great Russian artists of that period did not regard themselves as “Westerners”, but rather as “Easterners”. More importantly, they felt their mission was to infuse decadent or exhausted Western culture with the “rawness” and “strength” of Slavic culture. For men such as Nikolai Gogol, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Maxim Gorky, Mikhail Zoschenko, Modest Mussorgsky, Alexander Scriabin, Sergei Rachmaninoff, Igor Stravinsky, and Dmitri Shostakovich it was among the guiding principles of their art.

    It could be argued that Russia was never “Western” in the first place—and mostly did not want to be anyway. So this turn can be seen as a return to normalcy.

  3. Russia with it’s 11 time zones, and all of the natural resources God provided therein, should wake up to the fact that it is a force unto itself. Yes, trade with those who will trade with you, and ignore the rest. Russia is like a black hole, all will gravitate to it. If i was 20 years old again i would immigrate to Russia.

    • Replies: @Neilo
    , @Richard B
  4. Quote:Will Russia be Driven from the West?
    Question ? Can you name one “thing” that the west can supply to Russia & because of the lack of it in Russia ??
    BTW , Don’t say “democracy” ??

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Joe Levantine
  5. Antares says:

    No annexation.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  6. Russia showed a smidgen of independence from Jewish world hegemony, and Jews said THE HELL with that. Putin is protective of Jews, but he went after the real bad ones. Jewish Power sides with even bad Jews against goyim. Also, such a move on the part of Russia, Jews fear, may serve as model for the rest of the West. Jewish Power can’t tolerate such and so works hard to make Russia seem The Other, esp as it said NO THANKS to the Jewish proxy of globo-homo.

  7. Why should Russia – culturally, geographically, and even religiously (the censer-swinging ikon-worshipping Russian Orthodox Church is as Asian as they come) part of the East – which wants it, try to “return” to the West, which has always, even when pretending to be friendly, been its deadly enemy? Amerikastan and its EU slaves are finally and belatedly forcing Russia to undo the damage caused by Peter the not so Great. Why should this be a problem for anybody?

  8. Russia didn’t leave the West: The West left the West.

  9. Alfred says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Russia is neither East nor West. It is Russia – another paradigm.

    It is fun to watch Ukraine struggling against the gravitational pull of Russia. The public buildings here sport the flag of the EU alongside that of Ukraine.

    Yesterday, I was surprised to find that Yandex, VKontakte and Odnoklassniki are now working again in Kiev. To my knowledge, there has been no announcement.

    Popular Russian websites Vkontakte, Yandex, Odnoklassniki to be blocked in Ukraine (2017)

    Today, I found this (Google translation):

    Zelensky “surreptitiously” removes the ban on VKontakte and Yandex: the terms are named

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @follyofwar
    , @ricpic
  10. More pertinently, will the West be driven from Russia ?
    As counties like Sweden and France become ever less European and more 3rd World, the question of maintaining diplomatic, never mind economic and social, relations with them becomes ever more problematic.
    It’s not unthinkable that some future Russian Government might break off relations and close its borders.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  11. Nik says:

    Hmmm

    Seems very simplistic to me

    Its simply a view… and a very narrow one

  12. Paul says:

    The stagnant Russian dictatorship is being increasingly replaced by a fixation on China.

  13. gotmituns says:

    Russia was never part of Western Civilization.

    • Replies: @in the middle
  14. padre says:

    It is not surprise, they don’t mention it, because either ways they will be considered wrong!

  15. Parfois1 says:

    It’s an insult to Russia and Russians even to suggest that Mother Russia was ever – or wanted to be – “Western”, especially now when the “West” is descending into a morass of amorality and decay.

    With the inception of NATO and the Cold War to provide the pretext for the US occupation of a devastated Europe, the die was cast for the caricaturization of Soviet Russia as a pariah state unfit for the polite society of “free and democratic nations” and, when the “Soviet” portion was removed, the scene was cast for the plundering of Russia by the West and the associated Jewish mafia.

    Stalin was noted for his satirical jokes and, when the setting up of NATO was discussed, he remarked that if such alliance was needed to oppose aggression, the USSR was ready to join it too!

    But the role for the USSR was not to be in with the “West”, it was to be out, the boogey man, as stated by NATO’s first secretary-general, Lord Ismay: “NATO is for keeping the Americans in, the Germans down and the Russians out”.

    Russia can stand alone; she doesn’t need to join a pack of hyenas for protection, the “American Way”.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  16. Miro23 says:

    Europe (the West) isn’t itself so homogenous. If you say that the difference between a German and a Russian is greater than the difference between a German and a Spaniard I’m not so sure. Geographically, the population centers of Russia belong in Europe (Moscow and St Petersburg).

    Also, and apart from that, European states and Russia formed as nations as part of Middle Ages Christendom. They were united in Christianity.

    Christendom fought against Asian invasions from the East (Mongols) and Muslim Arab invasions from the South, and these look more like the more relevant ethnic divisions: European – Semitic – African – Asian.

    The current rapprochement between Russia and China is more one of convenience in the face of aggression from the Jewish (Euro/Semitic mixed race) dominated – no longer Christian -Imperial West.

    • Replies: @England patriot
    , @Herald
  17. Beckow says:

    Obama stupidly dismissed Russia as a ‘regional power‘. Then he initiated a badly thought out attempt to grab Ukraine that is in that region. That was truly incoherent and predictably it hurt the West (mainly Europe), increased Russia’ estrangement from the West, and made Ukraine weaker and poorer.

    There is such a thing as a catastrophic error, an error that is almost impossible to reverse. We are living with the consequences of Obama’s incredible stupidity. There would be no alliance between Russia and China, no Russian intervention in Syria, no disengagement from the dollar economy, and Europe’s economy would be 2-3% stronger (at least) if it would continue its trading relations with Russia and didn’t have to subsidise poorer Ukraine.

    What now? The strategy seems to be to hope that Russia collapses. If it doesn’t, nobody knows what to do.

  18. Neilo says:
    @the grand wazoo

    I’m on my second holiday to Russia right now and ditto .. if I was in my 20’s this is the place I would want to spend my time.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  19. Mr Cohen is using the wrong expression when referring to Crimea. The Crimean pininsula was not an annexation, which is a terminology used by western MSM anti Russian propaganda. It was an ACCESSION to the Russian federation following a referendum in which an overwhelming majority of Crimeans voted for rejoining Russia.

  20. Walter says:

    The Soviet “collapse” (failure) presages a symmetric process in the US – as the pair existed in balance. This process is now irretrievably in operation, and is obvious.

    Thus one might also speculate as to the idea that America is leaving (what’s left of) the west, as Imperial over-reach and looting destroy one foundational institution after another. Bill Pfaff wrote about this…https://www.truthdig.com/articles/will-the-pentagon-be-the-next-u-s-institution-to-crash/

    “I’m all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.” (Szilard)

    Well, it is quite clear that the idiots are running the agenda…ain’t it? That is collapse….

    So while Stephen’s view is reasoned, it seems to have a-priori assumptions about process, and these seem to be false. Thus if it’s a prediction and understanding you want…well, let us assume that Russia is continuing to develop and recover, while the US is continuing to decline toward her own failure or “collapse”.

    If Russia seems to be leaving, is this not simply Napoleon’s strategy – when your opponent is making mistakes, don’t bother him… ??

    Standing on the stern of the ship one views the past “departing”, but this is an illusion, eh? It is you, (or Stephen?) misunderstanding the relative movements…watching from a ruined ship.

    • Replies: @Walter
  21. Jake says:

    Professor Cohen:

    You know better than this: “Little if any of this seems to be understood by the US political-media establishment.”

    The ones who made the policy know what they are doing. They are acting to push things so far that war is inevitable. And more than a few of them likely care very little if such a war means nothing better for the US than an ugly stalemate. They know that war disrupts, murders, healthy local cultures, for both war victors and war losers, and they are first and foremost revolutionary social engineers. They see themselves as practicing creative destruction.

    They are monsters.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  22. APilgrim says:

    Russia is a Christian republic.

    Vladimir Putin is a Christian republican.

    The underpinnings of ‘western-civilization’ have been discarded in Western Europe.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  23. aandrews says:
    @Beckow

    “…Russia collapses.”

    Well, that ain’t happening.

  24. The evolution of the West was fertilized by the growth of freedom; Russia’s evolution was fertilized by the growth of slavery. This is the abyss that divides Russia and the West.

    The history of humanity is the history of human freedom. The growth of human potentiality is expressed, above all, in the growth of freedom. Freedom is not, as Engels claimed, “the recognition of necessity.” Freedom is the direct opposite of necessity; freedom is necessity overcome. Progress, in essence, is the progress of human freedom. What is life itself, if not freedom? The evolution of life is the evolution of freedom.

    [MORE]


    Russia has always evolved in a peculiar way; what has evolved has been the degree of non-freedom.
    Year by year serfdom grew harsher and the peasants’ right to their land more tenuous. Meanwhile, Russian science, technology, and learning continued to advance, merging with the growth of slavery.
    …………………………………………………………..
    The nineteenth century, however, was a very special century for Russia.

    This century shook the fundamental principle of Russian life: the link between progress and serfdom.

    Russian revolutionary thinkers failed to appreciate the importance of the emancipation of the serfs in 1861. The emancipation of the serfs—as we can see from the history of the following century—was more truly revolutionary than the October Revolution. The emancipation of the serfs shook Russia’s thousand-year-old foundation, a foundation that neither Peter the Great nor Lenin had so much as touched: the dependence of the country’s evolution on the growth of slavery.
    ……………………………………………………………………….
    “Soul” is neither here nor there; it simply does not come into it. If the French or the Germans, the Italians or the English, had been placed a thousand years ago within the same parameters of forest, steppe, bog, and plain, in the force field between Europe and Asia, amid Russia’s tragic vastness, then the pattern of their history would have been no different from that of Russian history. Anyway, it is not only the Russians who have known this path. There are many people on every continent of this Earth who have come to know the bitterness of the Russian path—some of them only vaguely and from a distance, some of them closely and clearly, suffering bitterness of their own.

    It is time for the students and diviners of Russia to understand that the mystique of the Russian soul is simply the result of a thousand years of slavery.

    ……………………………………………………………………..
    Wherever slavery exists in the world, it gives birth to souls of the same kind.

    What hope is there for Russia if even her great prophets were unable to distinguish freedom from slavery?
    What hope is there for Russia if her geniuses see submissive slavery as the expression of the meek, bright beauty of her soul?
    What hope is there for Russia if Lenin, the man who did most to transform her, did not destroy but only strengthened the tie between Russian progress and Russian non-freedom?
    When will we see the day of a free, human, Russian soul? When will this day dawn?
    Or will it never dawn?

  25. Underpinning these Washington follies was the notion, also promoted by President Obama and apparently still widespread in the sanction-happy US Congress, that Russia could and should be “isolated” in world affairs. Suffice it to point out that today it is said that the United States is being isolated in international relations.

    The depth of ignorance and lack of any professionalism of Western political class are astonishing, in fact, defy imagination. Russia has no business in current “West” other than selling it hydrocarbons and manufactured goods. Maybe some cooperation in scientific field. Culturally current West is a wasteland, which will continue to be increasingly marginalized in global affairs until implodes. In all, Russia should count her blessings for being “pushed out”.

  26. Jake says:
    @Mr Reynard

    Russia lacks Numinous Negroes. Surely getting an influx of 20 or 40 million Numinous Negroes is a goal to desire every second.

    • LOL: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @neutral
  27. Jake says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Grossman was a Christ-hating, Slavic-despising Jewish Leftist who culturally was Germanic to the core.

    Taking his word on Russia and Russians is like taking the word of a diehard Netanyahu supporter on Palestine and Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  28. A123 says:

    With the break-up of the USSR, the Cold War East vs. The Cold War West does not make a great deal of sense any more as a dividing line. The current sides are best described as line is Populists vs. Globalists.

    Populist nations — U.S., Russia, Hungary, U.K., Italy, etc. — are all naturally on the same side because they care about common Christian values and the lives of their citizens.

    Globalist nations keep trying to embrace elitist National Socialist values. For example, maximizing the amount of power in the hands of the unelected few. Brussels and Tehran are quite similar. There are no elections for the most critical positions, Ayatollah and EU Commissioner.

    PEACE

  29. Russia could be the perfect white judeo-christian country in the world with a hundred million orthodox jews and a billion devout christians to keep out the third world detritus!

  30. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Very good article , Cohen ” Will Russia be Driven from the West?” , it makes you think .

    Russia is Christian , Christian Orthodox . Russia is the heir of the Eastern Roman Empire , or Byzantin Empire .

    Guy Mettan ( Russie-Occident, une guerre de mille ans : La russophobie , de Charlemagne à la crise ukrainienne , 2015 .Geneve ) says that western Europe , the Frankish , since Charlemagne , have always been trying to push the Christian Eastern Roman Empire away from Europe . Mettan blames Rome ( under the influence of the Frankish ) for the cism Orthodox- Catholics .

    Russia after WWII was eager to collaborate with the ” West ” , with 25 million deaths and countless cities and industries destroyed by the Teutonic Knights obviously Russia needed the ” West ” , but the angloyankees imposed the Cold War , with the excuse of comunisn . Comunism fell in 1990 , and Russia reached again to the ” West ” but the ” West ” kept pushing Russia away . We have invaded Ukraina , anexed ex-soviet countries to the UE and NATO , advancing Nato lines to the very frontiers of Russia . So maybe Mettan is right ?

    The economic and religious decline of the ” West ” , and the rise of other powers in the world is giving Russia oportunities to look for other alliances . Even other countries of the ” West ” orbit are thinking geopolitic alternatives to the angloyankee and frankish ( franco-german ) dominance .

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  31. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Zelensky is a native russian speaker , his ukrainian is bad . Even Porkishenko spoke a mediocre ucranian and good russian .

    • Replies: @Alfred
  32. Miro23 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    When will we see the day of a free, human, Russian soul? When will this day dawn?
    Or will it never dawn?

    This is all very dramatic, but I meet with plenty of Russians, day to day, and they’re doing fine. In fact better dressed, healthier, married, normal children, no tattoos, LGBT or Black worship and in many respects better than the average West European.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Neilo
    , @Anon
  33. Russia is the hope of the Christian world and stands against the satanic zionist NWO and although Russia stands alone against the zionists , they will prevail, Edgar Cayce predicted Russia’s return to Christianity and this vision is coming true.

    Thank God that Russia is saving Syria from AL CIADA aks ISIS the creation of Israel and the zio/US and zio/Britain and NATO!

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  34. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    In the EU we do NOT want Ukraina joining the EU never , ever , no matter how many EU flags they fly . In fact we don`t like ukrainians flying the EU flag ( nobody asked them to ) , as we did not like it when Saakashvili did the same in Georgia and invaded Russia trying to convey that the EU was backing him , the EU protested and ordered him to take away the EU flag at the side of the georgian flag .

    We already have too many eastern europeans, asians , africans , bums and troublemakers to subvention , ukrainians are late , maybe they can aply to get free oil and gas to Canada or the US .

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  35. There is no need to worry about Russia. Putin know what he is doing.
    And Mercedes is building assembly plant in Russia. Anybody did wonder why?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  36. Realist says:
    @Jake

    Russia lacks Numinous Negroes. Surely getting an influx of 20 or 40 million Numinous Negroes is a goal to desire every second.

    Good one.

  37. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Fly the rainbow flag , man , fly the rainbow flag , and shout Freedom .

  38. Russia isn’t part of “the West”, most Russians think of themselves as “Eastern” or “Eurasian”. I get the impression that the average Russian has more cultural affinity with Central Asia and Asia generally than they do with Europe, particularly Western Europe which they see as firmly “the other”.

    I don’t think Russians want to be “Western”, or particularly appreciate people referring to them as “Western”.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  39. wayfarer says:

    Long live …

    Russian Romanticism a movement which flourished between 1750 and 1850. It was a revolt against the Enlightenment and the strict rules of Neoclassicism. While the Age of Reason had upheld the primacy of harmony, balance and rationality – Romanticism emphasized intuition, imagination and the irrational.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism

  40. @Miro23

    Genetic research shows that Western and Eastern Europe has a fairly big genetic divide. Western Europe including Germany and Spain is heavily R1b, Eastern Europe including Russia is heavily R1a.

    So it would be accurate to say that genetically a German has more in common with a Spaniard than a Russian on average, that’s what the genetic research would suggest.

  41. West’s liberalizing influences

    Like compulsory Globo-Homo Worship? Like patriots fined and jailed in France for opposing the Great Replacement? Like Germany and France condemning Hungary for wanting to survive, all the while praising Israel’s policies at every turn?

  42. Russia has not yet entirely sold its soul to the moneychangers and the apostles of progress. It still has saints and sinners. (Its biggest sinners are gangsters who may actually run the world, as much as anyone does: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/09/02/evidence-why-is-putin-kissing-israels-ass-what-do-they-have-on-him/ .)

    Literature still mattered even in the hellhole that was Soviet Russia because Russians still understood, consciously or not, that the choices the human soul makes in its earthly journey have monumental consequences. Dostoevsky expressed this better than anyone ever has.

    Today Russia is rediscovering its Christian identity, which terrifies the Sabbatean-Frankist secular-progressivist-materialist post-Christian West. The Grand Inquisitors in NY, DC, the City of London, and Tel Aviv are delivering an increasingly panicked monologue.

    Shaykh Imran Hosein’s thesis—that the End Times will witness a war between the forces of Christ (Eastern Christianity allied with real Islam) and those of Antichrist (the Zionist West)—seems increasingly plausible.

  43. Neilo says:
    @Miro23

    Exactly ,. Everybody can theorise and pontificate voluminously about Russia’s place in the world .. better they actually go there and experience first hand what a “normal” society looks and feels like. As well, it’s not expensive, prices in Russia seem quite good with the Ruble currently around 64/USD..(Imports should be expensive but don’t appear to be )… apart from the luxury brands favoured by the elites, that are globally priced anyway. The only real downside appears to be massive bureaucratic corruption .. but point me to a country that doesn’t have that, it’s usually just called a different name.

    • Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning
  44. Alfred says:
    @Anon

    A “nationalist” (i.e. Nazi) Ukrainian joined a group of his fellows. He looked around suspiciously and asked in Ukrainian if all those present were also nationalists. They replied in the affirmative. He said “Good. Now we can speak Russian”

  45. @Jake

    Re: Grossman

    When any author bandies about a word, like freedom, without precise definition, you know he’s spouting claptrap.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Jake
  46. @Kevin Barrett

    “Eastern Christianity allied with real Islam”?

    The Muslims in Middle East have engaged in genocide against Christians in the original cradles of Christianity. With allies like Muslims, Christians don’t need enemies.

  47. For Russia looking east or west has been froth with danger. In the early twentieth century its need of a warm-water port on the Pacific led to war with Japan. Russia was decisively beaten. As a result it turned its attention west again: access to the Mediterranean was also a vital interest for Russian maritime trade. Of course the war with the west ten years later was even more disastrous for the Romanov dynasty.
    Nicholas II’s German cousin, Kaiser Wilhelm II, encouraged him in his adventures in the East, in a hope they could challenge British power globally. By 1914 the alliances had switched. But then, as now, power and interest were the motive for war. Everyone needs to step back and learn from history if world war three is to be avoided.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  48. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    I don’t understand why people do not recognize that Putin, like Trump, is a Jewish mafia member and 100% supports the zionist entity and its criminal acts, otherwise the apartheid state would have not been able to exist. One of the reason behind existence of Israel is RUSSIAN support and Putin cooperation with the criminal tribe and Netanyahu.

    How many times Putin, the Zionist stooge, should say I value the relations with apartheid entity and he has done EVERYTHING to protect the Zionist criminal acts in Syria. Russia is one of the countries where played important role, like Britain, France and US, to erect the criminal entity, where you call it israel. Russia is as GUILTY as the other criminal western states.

    How many times Russia and Putin betrayed Muslims and aligned with the west to protect the shitty entity and to protect the Western interest? How many times Russia and Putin voted for ILLEGAL
    Sanctions against Iran to please the criminals like himself and to protect the interest of the Zionists?

    How many times Russia and Putin listened to Israel and the criminal west to go against Iran, Palestine, and the Arab world?

    Who allowed Libya to be destroyed?

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  49. @Verymuchalive

    Excellent point. It seems like any sensible country would close borders with the Afro-Arab-Paki-Turk crimeholes of Sweden — as well as close borders with France, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Germany, and the rest of the emerging Islamic Europe.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  50. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_and_Fate

    Life and fate , by Grossman is much better than the second part Everything Flows

    where are you from ? kardian sounds armenian

  51. @Alfred

    Speaking of Ukraine, what’s going on with the war between its west and east? I don’t hear much about it these days, especially since John McCain died and the insufferable Nikki Haley resigned from her UN post. Obviously, Russia ain’t gonna give Crimea back no matter how much the neoliberals and neoconservatives whine.

  52. @A123

    US and UK populist and not globalist? Give me a break. Try Poland instead.

    Sure there are grass roots populist sentiments but they are constantly demonized and smothered out.

  53. @Neilo

    Interesting. We haven’t been there yet, but Russia has climbed ahead of the countries I always thought I’d take the family to: Germany, Italy, France, the Scandinavian countries, etc.

    And we’ll be starting our younger kids on learning Russian, not German like the older ones.

    Russia may be dysfunctional, corrupt, most of the things that are said about it. But really, it’s being selectively criticized when the people ruling us in the USA and Europe are just as crooked, dishonest, and more hostile to their own core and founding peoples.

    Where do we want our young daughters doing a year abroad in high school or college — Rape Central (Sweden and Germany and England) or a major Russian city such as SPB, Moscow, even Vladivostok? That’s the ultimate test for a parent.

    The answer ain’t Europe any more.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Alexandros
  54. @Neilo

    The different name in America is “lobbying.”

  55. @Kevin Barrett

    Shaykh Imran Hosein’s thesis—that the End Times will witness a war between the forces of Christ (Eastern Christianity allied with real Islam) and those of Antichrist (the Zionist West)—seems increasingly plausible.

    Shaikh Imran Hosein is a bosom buddy of John Hagee. Both have prophesied the End Times many a time, but always missed the mark. And, people still buy their crap. I believe that you are a Muslim, whose belief should be that “Only God Has Hidden Knowledge”. O’ yes, the end of world is always been around the corner. LOL!

    It makes people dizzy with glee predicting the End Times!

    Shaikh Imran Hosein speakth with a fork tongue!

  56. A123 says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Today Russia is rediscovering its Christian identity, which terrifies the Sabbatean-Frankist secular-progressivist-materialist post-Christian West. The Grand Inquisitors in NY, DC, the City of London, and Tel Aviv are delivering an increasingly panicked monologue.

    It would be better to say that:

    Today Russia is rediscovering its Christian identity, which terrifies the Islamofascist, Globalist elites. The Grand Inquisitors in Tehran, Brussels, and Frankfurt are becoming hysterical as their anti-democratic, anti-Christian rent extraction schemes are threatened by the unification of Orthodox and Protestant Christianity.

    Shaykh Imran Hosein’s thesis—that the End Times will witness a war between the forces of Christ (Eastern Christianity allied with real Islam) and those of Antichrist (the Zionist West)—seems increasingly plausible.

    This seems wholly implausible:

    — Ayatollah Khameni seems bent on starting a Shia-Sunni war that will be an extermination level event for the Shia and remind the Sunnis why Roman history gives us the term “Pyrrhic Victory”. I keep hoping that the Iranian people will remove Khameni rather then commit mass suicide as a people, but ultimately it is their choice.

    — The Real Forces of Christ include western Protestants and eastern Orthodox. Again, trying to use an artificially placed East-West ‘line’ in the post-USSR world does not work particularly well.

    PEACE

    • Replies: @Alf Tupper
    , @Alfred
  57. APilgrim says:
    @Anon

    Russia had a thousand+ year history with Christendom.

    Russia had a 75 year history of Godless Communism.

    Russia has clearly returned to their Christian Roots, while much of The West has abandoned those values.

    The war has little to do with geography.

  58. @Beckow

    Nobody’s talking about it, but what will Russia do when Trump is finally convinced, by hook or crook, to start bombing Iran? Many seem to think that Russia is not a player in this, but that seems hard to believe. I suspect that Putin/Lavrov are doing all they can behind the scene to prevent this Middle East apocalypse from happening.

    But, after having just finished the Unz article “The Untold Story of Christian Zionism’s Rise to Power in the US,” by Whitney Webb, I’m not so sure that Pompeo, Pence, & co. will be stopped in their quest to fulfill End Times Prophecy, which includes the necessary destruction of Iran. It is bitterly ironic that Trump, who does not profess to be a Christian Zionist, but who stupidly hired a bunch of them, and also stupidly tore up the Iran nuclear agreement, now seems to be the only person standing in their way. Hopefully Tulsi Gabbard’s courageous words about Trump being SA’s bitch stung him a little.

    I don’t see how war can be put off until after the 2020 election. I hope that Stephen Cohen, if he hasn’t already, addresses this most dire situation soon.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  59. Walter says:
    @Walter

    I would recommend consideration of this> https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/09/vuyachich-marking-the-downfall-of-western-civilization/

    a fragment> “Western civilization, without any doubt, is in the state of general spiritual, moral, ideological and cultural decay. Not so long ago, what we called the “West” was the most prosperous civilization of all ages. Today, Western civilization can be defined as a geopolitical and cultural space that is absolutely dominated by the United States – or, more precisely, by the corrupt, completely alienated even from the citizens of …”

    Well, that leaves the Enlightenment, science, reality – does it not? I always thought that the Enlightenment defined what “the West” was, it’s core value… Evidently the “west” has left the only thing it had of any value, and naturally Ivan and Chin – those clans, will take their own…as is natural when something is free.

    Of course, every collapse does give birth to revolution, so, whatever that may bring, we shall have that experience, eh? Too bad.

    I would rather have lived a bit earlier on the time-line… It’s a terrible time, terrible to see the icons burning… Such is life…

  60. Realist says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Good. But- are they free?

    At least as free as we are.

    • Replies: @Anon
  61. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Actually Russia, is more Western that the US. Lets see: When I see videos of Russia, I see people as white as snow!. When you see videos of the US, you see dark people, arguing about sending people back to their dark peopled country! Only toothless, back country ignorant persons, show up now and then in their deranged world, in the woods off Tennessee, Kentucky, et al.

    Now, when I say “more western’ I mean more pale faced. Russia, is next to Finland, a pale faced nation, Poland, etc. Just look at Beloruss , Beautiful people, and Russia, of course the same. I noticed the dress wear in Belorussian, and they stick out as beautiful ladies indeed. When I look at most American women as I stroll by the malls, they look , unattractive, mean, and have you ever seeing an american lady dressed in ‘customary’ american dress? I mean just watch the Belorussians, ladies.

    I really wish for Russia to become our friend, hopefully.

    • Replies: @JoeFour
  62. @Jake

    “The ones who made the policy know what they are doing.”

    I disagree. Trump, the ultimate decider, has no idea what he is doing. He’s just winging it.

  63. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyway , after all these interesting comments , I think that we europeans generally don`t like to be called the ” west , ” . We are Europe , period , just Europe , period , not the ” west ” , ( the west of what ? ) , that `s an american politicians invention .

    The real ” west ” is west of the Mississipi , a mythical west from Texas to California , and east of the Mississipi there are the yankees in the north and the confedrate in the south , and that`s it .

    Hehehe

    • Replies: @FB
  64. @gotmituns

    What exactly is a ‘Western Civilization?” The Spaniards colonized the Americas, The Brits did so also. The French.

    well, here it is:

    Western culture is characterized by a host of artistic, philosophic, literary, and legal themes and traditions; the heritage of Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Jewish, Slavic, Latin, and other ethnic and linguistic groups, as well as Christianity, which played an important part in the shaping of Western civilization since at least the 4th century.

    So, there you have it! Surprise, surprise! It includes ‘Slavic’. mmm. I wonder then, if Russia is part of it. It surely is not oriental, or as you call it ‘Asian’. May be then Russia is Russia, and does not need to be otherwise.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  65. @Mr Reynard

    “Question ? Can you name one “thing” that the west can supply to Russia & because of the lack of it in Russia ??”

    How about degeneracy?

    • Replies: @Mr Reynard
  66. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    Lots of youngsters are coming to Moscow today with tattoos, mostly poorer strata. Western idiocracy spreads with Hollywood etc. and no one is sure how long would state schools preserve high Russian culture. Poles (who live in Poland, not in UK), are for instance, also healthy, Christian, married, etc., but culturally they are villagers of philisters, at best, compared to Russians of the same social strata (high income + university educatiom). We have no idea how to preserve culture and high literacy for humanity, having healthy and yet populous nations with miserable culture and almost no imperial dignity and any bright future in Eastern Europe.

  67. Mulegino1 says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I would go one step further and say that when an unapologetic Jew talks about freedom, he means slavery to the Talmudic Sanhedrin. In other words, submission to the Antichrist.

  68. @RadicalCenter

    Victor Orban’s Hungary is merely the beginning, I think. Europe will become a patchwork of essentially White states protected by walls and barbed wire from failed “multicultural” entities.
    I believe V V Putin is well aware of this development.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Jake
  69. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    More free than average EU or US citizen. Average Russian is less indebted, pays less taxes, owns some property, have family that backs him or her. Student debt is yet unthinkable. Culturally, Russians feel themselves as heirs of WW2 heroes (‘our grandfathers won and saved the world’), almost anyone considers the world in manyways owing to Mother Russia, whatever others may think about it. There is almost no political correctness, or fear of ‘harassment’ accusations etc. Some Western taxes such as TV tax, high income/asset tax, or ‘mobile plans’, or subscription tv channelы are considered irrational, if not stupid, in Russia. So less things spoil lives of common people in Russia, yet it is of course not a land of just milk and honey.

  70. Agent76 says:

    Jul 26, 2019 World ‘will diminish role of dollar and US banking system’: Russian minister at Non-Aligned Movement

    Anya Parampil sits down with Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov at the meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement in Venezuela. They discuss the emerging multipolar world and efforts to establish a financial system independent of the US dollar.

    Aug 19, 2019 Russia Keeps Increasing Its Gold Reserves!

    Dedollarisation Or Incoming Financial Crisis?

  71. wayfarer says:

    What does not break the human spirit, only serves to temper a resilient eternal soul.

    Tempering is a heat treatment technique applied to ferrous alloys, such as steel or cast iron, to achieve greater toughness by decreasing the hardness of the alloy. The reduction in hardness is usually accompanied by an increase in ductility, thereby decreasing the brittleness of the metal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_(metallurgy)

  72. JoeFour says:
    @in the middle

    “When I see videos of Russia, I see people as white as snow!”

    Particularly noticeable in the military.  See the below videos … first is Ukraine (aren’t they really Russian?) … second is the 2019 parade for the Russian celebration of the WW II Great Victory … 

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  73. @Antares

    No annexation.

    You mean this?

    expelled in 2014 for its annexation of Crimea,

    Agreed!

  74. @Beckow

    ” We are living with consequences of O’s incredible stupidity”

    Wait a minute something doesn’t jibe here as the all-knowing Germans : ” Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen” consider BO to be the most intelligent, wisest, benevolent, human being to have ever set foot on planet mirth, and of course the “deutsche Besserwisser” the German know-it-alls can’t be wrong, oder?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army vet, and pro jazz performer.

  75. @follyofwar

    ” Has no idea what he is doing” (DT) : So what, fact is no US president ever had an idea what he was “doing”, as they were all just flying by the seat of their pants. The important thing ” how” they play it by ear.

    AJM

  76. @Beckow

    What now? The strategy seems to be to hope that Russia collapses. If it doesn’t, nobody knows what to do.

    Russia mightcollapse (Though it seems highly improbable) but Russia+China certainly won’t.

  77. @Contraviews

    It was an annexation following an invasion. Putin’s regime, twice, recognized Crimea as Ukrainian. The “referendum was held under the guns of an occupying power and was not legitimate. Few countries recognize the vote as legal. Crimea is still occupied by a foreign power.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Contraviews
    , @Phodges
  78. @APilgrim

    Putin has been shown to be an inveterate liar. Christians are not liars. Therefore, Putin cannot be a Christian.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @APilgrim
  79. Dennis says:

    Russian was entirely right to annex the Crimea, and Trump and others should have the courage to say so, rather than pandering to Ukraine nationalist BS. The Crimea is Russian, period. It only ended up in the Ukraine post-1991 because of arbitrary internal USSR border manipulations by Khruschev. Hell, one could make a legitimate argument that the Ukraine as a whole should be part of Greater Russia and not a sovereign state.

    • Replies: @Jake
  80. I stopped reading as soon as I saw the “annexed the Crimea lie”

    The ((bullshit))) never ends,

  81. @Anon

    Joining the EU is problematic for anyone. The EU is a curse, not a blessing. Ukraine would not better itself joining the EU, which is basically run by Germany and France, who send some of their worst to Brussels to do the actual ruling. There are very good reasons the people of the UK want out.

    Most of the problems the EU faces are self inflicted by its own stupidity.

    • Replies: @Anon
  82. East and West are Orthodox Russia and Catholic Rome. The designations remain even though Russia is only recently returning to Orthodoxy and The West is even more recently turning to Godless Communism.

    • Replies: @Jake
  83. @anonymous

    I don’t understand why people do not recognize that Putin, like Trump, is a Jewish mafia member and 100% supports the zionist entity and its criminal acts, otherwise the apartheid state would have not been able to exist. One of the reason behind existence of Israel is RUSSIAN support and Putin cooperation with the criminal tribe and Netanyahu.

    Jewish Power is such that he plays the game.

    But after Libya, he stood by Syria and Iran.

    So, he’s 50/50.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  84. @JoeFour

    The entire clip is Ukrainian. No, Ukrainians are not Russian. They need to quit doing things by the old soviet pattern.

    For some reason the Russian clip was not showing up. I refreshed the page and the Russian clip appeared.

    • Replies: @Anon
  85. @Bardon Kaldian

    “Freedom” is treated by people who think like you, as though it were some sort of “thing-in-itself”. It is not, by which I mean it is not an “absolute” but a dialectical unity. Every “Freedom to” for one person implies or is the other face of a “lack of Freedom from” for someone else. So if. for example, the government of the USA is free to lock up anyone they suspect of being a baddy (Which they are) that implies that I, as a US Citizen, have a lack of freedom to say things offensive to the USG.

    Or if I am free to exploit the labour of my neighbour, then he may be forced (by economic necessity) to sell his labour to me for less than it is worth. Which is not “freedom”, but something more akin to slavery.

    As to the remark that Engels was wrong to say that “Freedom is the realization of necessity”, if you don’t realise what is necessary and you think you are free, you are not “free”. You are living in a fools paradise.

  86. @A123

    Hi Steve,
    how’s the ‘charity’ work at the Campaign Against Antisemitism going these days?

  87. @A123

    Populist nations — U.S., Russia, Hungary, U.K., Italy, etc. — are all naturally on the same side because they care about common Christian values and the lives of their citizens.

    What an extraordinary thing to say! Thousands, nay, tens or hundreds of thousands, probably even millions of people in the US and the UK are living and quite frequently perishing in the streets of their towns and cities. The people in power in those countries are living lives of luxury and you call them “Christians”? What sect of Christianity is that? I don’t recognise it and I doubt that were there a Christ he would either.

  88. Robjil says:
    @Quartermaster

    Invasion yes by Nuland’s ZUS flunkies. US ukraine is now a US overseas territory like Puerto Rico or any of the Baltics.

    Russia took back Crimea from ZUS. Crimea did want to be part of an ZUS overseas territory. The Chechens thought about being outside of Russia. They had second thoughts when the choice was to be one of many ZUS overseas territories like Afghanistan.

  89. @Bardon Kaldian

    Good. But- are they free?

    Define “freedom”.

  90. Robjil says:
    @Priss Factor

    Russia has no choice but to play the game for now. It was ruled by Zion power since the 1917 Revolution.

    US and UK both were ruled by Zion power since the FED in 1913. WWI was so vicious like no other war because it started in 1914 after the FED came to be. WWII was even more vicious. The Zion FED “must” win at all causes. Zion power only loves power, it does care one whit about people’s lives. It “must” win WWI and WWII no matter how ruthless and cruel to do so.

    Russia knows this since it has been conquered by Zion power in 1917. Russia has gain some freedom with Putin from Zion power. Putin has to play around the corners to get around Zion Power.

    • LOL: FB
  91. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    the first clip is ucranian , the second ir russian , have you seen that the soldiers have the St Georges ribbon , from WW II ?

  92. @England patriot

    I don’t think Russians want to be “Western”, or particularly appreciate people referring to them as “Western”.

    I think that as far as the majority of Russian are concerned, you are right. There is however, a minority, known as the “Atlantacists” who do long for Russia to be accepted as a part of the “West”. They control a lot of the media and some of them have relatively important positions.

    • Replies: @Herald
  93. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    Most of the problems the EU faces are self inflicted by its own stupidity.

    Agree , just like in the USA ,

  94. Herald says:
    @Miro23

    The current rapprochement between Russia and China is more one of convenience in the face of aggression from the Jewish (Euro/Semitic mixed race) dominated – no longer Christian -Imperial West.

    Thanks to Western animosity it may be rather more a marriage of necessity than convenience, but nevertheless it looks likely to endure. Russia should know, only too well by now, that the West always had and will likely continue to have underlying bad intentions in all its dealings with it.

    Russia’s relationship with China is a two way dynamic and already is probably far too entrenched to be undone by any Western slight of hand trickery.

    The West has nothing to offer except its neo-liberalism and who in their right minds would want that.

  95. Nice try, Mr. Cohen, but, as Russian saying puts it, “the train has already left the station”. The West has had it chance with Russia, and blew it miserably. When I left the USSR in 1991, the prevailing feelings towards the US and the West in general were quite friendly. Nowadays, when the Empire and its obedient vassals condemn something Russia does, most people conclude that Russia is doing the right thing. When the US and its sidekicks praise something, this raises serious suspicions in Russia: what did we do wrong? There will be no more Yeltsins. The next leader of Russia may be less skilled and devious than Putin, but s/he will be much more hostile to the West.

  96. @Quartermaster

    If Crimea is occupied territory there would have been armed resistance by the populace same as all countries do when they are occupied by a foreign power. East Ukrainian people of the Donbas took up arms against a Kiev occupation after the illegal western engineered coup. There has always been -under agreement since the fifties – a small Russian garrison in Crimea. There is no evidence whatever of any armed resistance against the Russian presence. Crimeans are very fortunate that in this peaceful way they have escaped the violence that befell their Ukrainian brethren in the Donbas.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  97. gotmituns says:
    @in the middle

    The jews are alien to Western Civilization. The Russians are a mix of slav and mongol.

  98. Jake says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    No doubt – the conmen in politics prattle about freedom, and what they mean is they hope you bite so that can enslave you.

  99. Russia’s relationship with China is a two way dynamic and already is probably far too entrenched to be undone by any Western slight of hand trickery.

    Perhaps, but Russia is a thing unto itself, too big and too unique to fit neatly into “East” or “West”. At any rate, there already is grumbling among some Russians over the perception that China treats their nation as something of a junior partner. (In China, too, there is discontent over perceived historical grievances, as well as the demarcation of borders in what is the Russian Far East.)

    China will eventually learn—like France, Germany, Japan, and US in their time—that even a weakened Russia cannot be controlled, and can still be a significant diplomatic (and military) opponent capable of putting a serious dent in its ambitions. Russia, meanwhile, will remain the free agent it has always been throughout its modern history, strategically shifting alliances when needed. Today it is China; tomorrow who knows?

    Western sabotage may not be needed at all to dissolve this marriage.

  100. Jake says:
    @WorkingClass

    Indeed, the West is becoming godless Communist, while also expanding amoral laissez faire capitalism for the super rich.

  101. Jake says:
    @Dennis

    An ‘independent’ Ukraine will always be a puppet of some other power. Today’s Ukraine, for example, is whoring itself to the Anglo-Zionist Empire, while also nurturing its own native Nazis that somehow are supposed to be anti-imperialist and necessary to peace and tolerance in Eastern Europe.

    The absurdities and contradictions, the insanities, are comical even when deathly tragic.

  102. Jake says:
    @Verymuchalive

    It sure won’t be the Anglosphere or any part of the world the Anglosphere controls that does something necessary to save civilization.

  103. If indeed Russia turns to the east, economically and politically, as the writer suggests in the first paragraph, it will be on the basis of exporting natural resources and especially energy to China, which will turn it into every bit as despicable a parasite nation as is Saudi Arabia today.

    I would be wary of taking advice from the so-called friends of Russia, Cohens and Levites especially.

    Slowly but surely Russia is assembling the Eurasian Behemoth of mythical lore, today adding Turkey and Iran, after which Europa must decide if it can compete with low wage regions by pursuing a policy of replacement immigration or else become like a head balancing the Russian heart of a vast Eurasian Empire.

  104. @Contraviews

    Cohen is married to long-time Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel who, contrary to her name, is Jewish too. As much as I like Cohen’s reasoned voice on Russia, consider the connections. He’s married to globalist “left” establishment. Some ass-kissing surely was required to get tenure at Princeton/NYU.

    • Replies: @Anastasia
  105. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    China will eventually learn—like France, Germany, Japan, and US in their time—that even a weakened Russia cannot be controlled,

    Are you sure?

    First- I am certain that Chinese have no intention to occupy many (most?) parts of Russia. They don’t need to & it’s not their “historical style”.

    But, having in mind huge discrepancy between them & French, Germans etc. & the Russians & their soil- I am convinced they could, if something that lunatic appears on the horizon- occupy & erase Russians from the face of earth. They are 10 times more numerous; in not so near a future, they will be technologically superior in all aspects that matter for conquest.

    Of course I am on the Russian side, because they are, with small difeferences, like us – unlike the Chinese. Also, there are more important matters: Chinese are not interested in being super-conquerors; Russia has military ability to annihilate them & the whole globe.

    But, if we include other variables- for the sake of argument- I don’t see how anyone could stop a Chinese empire to expand from Shanghai to Berlin. Russia would be overwhelmed, as in the 13th C by Mongols, just, this time, with much more disastrous consequences amounting to genocide.

    This is just a fiction, of course. Chinese don’t want that. But, unlike Napoleon & Hitler, and like Genghis khan, Subutai & Batu khan- they could do it.

  106. ricpic says:
    @Alfred

    Are Russian women having replacement level babies? If not no gravitation to “the force unto itself.”

  107. First- I am certain that Chinese have no intention to occupy many (most?) parts of Russia. They don’t need to & it’s not their “historical style”.

    They may not need it, but more than a few of their ultranationalists certainly want it.

    In the case of nuclear-armed Russia, they cannot steamroll their way with it as they have with Southeast Asian nations in the South China Sea. What they intend is likely more subtle: Namely, economic domination which, in time, may yield territorial concessions.

    Their “historical style”, incidentally, was in the manner of bloody conquest seen elsewhere in the world. It is just that between roughly 1793 – 1945, the West and Japan outperformed Qing China (and their Ming predecessors) at the same game. So it was not for lack of trying that their “historical style” of that period precluded ambitions for territorial expansion.

    But, having in mind huge discrepancy between them & French, Germans etc. & the Russians & their soil- I am convinced they could, if something that lunatic appears on the horizon- occupy & erase Russians from the face of earth. They are 10 times more numerous; in not so near a future, they will be technologically superior in all aspects that matter for conquest.

    The fact that Russia has its own significant military and nuclear arsenal would, at the very least, either assure the destruction of both nations, or eke out only a pyrrhic victory for the (barely) surviving one. Even with potential technological and numerical advantages, the cost to China in treasure and blood would be ruinous enough to dissuade them from such an alternative.

    Chinese are not interested in being super-conquerors

    Any nation with power will always want to accrue more. China is no different, rhetoric about their “peaceful rise” notwithstanding.

    But, if we include other variables- for the sake of argument- I don’t see how anyone could stop a Chinese empire to expand from Shanghai to Berlin. Russia would be overwhelmed, as in the 13th C by Mongols, just, this time, with much more disastrous consequences amounting to genocide.

    That is exactly why I do not foresee any such action ever being pushed by China. The conqueror would lose at least as much as the conquered. Again, their angle would be economic domination of the Russians and their sphere, which eventually would secure their political submission. Even then, I personally believe such a thing is far from being fait accompli as unforeseen future developments in Europe, the Americas, and Asia—to say nothing of the sheer tenacity of the Russian will to survive—may provoke Russia to once again realign its political alliances, only next time in a manner disadvantageous to China.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @RadicalCenter
  108. Thought the Russians and Chinese were already married since xi came into power.

    Where did this “will” come from?

  109. @Contraviews

    Austrians voted for Anschluss with Germany. It was till an annexation. Being endorsed democratically doesn’t change that.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  110. Z-man says:

    Professor, you must know that it’s your NECON sect that is conspiring to put a greater wedge between America and Russia. Endless conflict between the two great powers is what they want for the greater glory of Zion.
    BTW, I admire your work as a Russia expert and I assume that you have a positive view on détente and friendship between America and Russia, a natural friendship, imho.

  111. Herald says:
    @foolisholdman

    Yes that’s all true. It’s now long past time that Russia’s fifth column was put out to pasture.

  112. Ideafix says:

    The trouble with those Russian discussions about whether Russia belongs to the East or West is the sheer slavishness of it. Russia must be itself and have the East and the West complement and join it, not the other way around. Otherwise it’s a schisophrenic attitude of being secondary to and obstructed by either West or East. That said, EU and US have being pushing Russia Eastwards as the East at least doesn’t discriminate/abuse the country as much.

  113. @Bardon Kaldian

    Free? Do you mean free like the British who are spied upon by their own government from every angle as they go about their business? Or do you mean free like the millions of law abiding Americans who are terrified of being pulled over and beaten or shot by a hyped-up, armed thug in body armour driving a black and white?

    • Replies: @FB
  114. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    A Russo-Japanese alliance against China is very natural, if only Japan could find the balls to free itself from the Yanks. In fact, right after the Russo-Japanese war, from roughly 1907-1916, Russia and Japan cooperated with each other to partition a weak China. Also don’t forget Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact of 1941. Russia would be much better off with Japan as an Asian ally instead of the backstabbing Chinese insects.

  115. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Russian alliance with China will end, no doubt. But that will happen after the West looses the power to sabotage anything.

  116. @anon

    Lol, do you still dream of partitioning the weak China? 🤣.

    I never understand the hate China recieves. What did it do for people to hate it?

    For existing? Not being a poodle?

  117. Miro23 says:

    Expelling Russia sent the opposite message, as did moving the metaphorical “Iron Curtain” from Berlin to Russia’s border through a myriad of other exclusions and sanctions. And as did, above all, expanding NATO to Russia’s borders, the exceedingly unwise policy begun by President Bill Clinton and continued under President Obama.

    The provocations have come from the US side.

    Putin welcomed Trump’s election rhetoric about friendly relations with Russia only to have the US neo-con/deep state neutralize it with their “Russian hacking” fabrication.

    It was the US that in 2002 unilaterally withdrew from the nuclear NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty). “John Rhinelander, a negotiator of the ABM treaty, predicted that the withdrawal would be a “fatal blow” to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and would lead to a “world without effective legal constraints on nuclear proliferation.” The construction of a missile defense system was also feared to enable the US to attack with a nuclear first strike. (Wikipedia)”.

    And that’s how the Russians saw it:

    On 1 March 2018, Russian president Vladimir Putin, in an address to the Federal Assembly, announced the development of a series of technologically new missile systems and stressed that those were designed as a response to U.S. withdrawal from the ABM Treaty.

    And also:

    “It is possible that the Pentagon has decided to step up facilities preparations without waiting for legal procedures concerning the INF Treaty to complete,” Sterlin* said, arguing that Washington has rebuffed Moscow’s attempts to resolve their dispute, the state-run Tass Russian News Agency reported.

    The U.S. has already positioned an advanced missile defense system known as the Aegis Ashore in Romania and planned another one in Poland. Sterlin said Thursday that “as far as these weapons are concerned, the U.S. tried for decades to convince us that its missile defense plans aimed to counter the limited missile threats from North Korea and Iran and would not affect Russia’s deterrence capability. Today, Washington doesn’t deny that the global missile defense system is targeted against Russia.”

    So, the US was destabilizing the nuclear balance and also lying about the new missiles on Russia’s borders.

    In the build up to the Iraq war US Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the Neo-cons as “F….ing Crazy” but what they’re doing with Russia is in a whole new category of dangerous.

    * Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces’ General Staff, Major General Andrei Sterlin

  118. @anon

    A Russo-Japanese alliance against China is very natural, if only Japan could find the balls to free itself from the Yanks.

    Absolutely agree. I think both Vladimir Putin and Abe Shinzō understand this, but the latter is far too timid, too obsequious to US interests to see this through. The Kuril/Northern Territories dispute complicates things here. Abe ought to either formally agree to Russian sovereignty of the disputed islands first, then move to negotiations afterwards; or better still simply renounce their claim and move on. As it turns out, this dispute persists today because the US threatened Japan with permanent annexation of Okinawa Prefecture if they agreed to the USSR’s terms for solving the problem.

    The US has persistently sabotaged Japanese interests since at least the end of the Anglo-Japanese Alliance. Aside from the lop-sided Anpo, there was also the Plaza Accord (which resulted in Japan tanking its own economy in order to prop up the US’), and the Obama-era discovery of pervasive American espionage in the very highest echelons of the Japanese government. But the Japanese themselves do not seem to care. According to various surveys, Japan is among the nations with the highest rates of pro-US sentiment in the world. Go figure.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/11/12/views-of-the-u-s-and-president-trump/

  119. FB says: • Website
    @Anon

    One good turn deserves another…here’s a version by the British Ukulele Orchestra…

    • Replies: @Anon
  120. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    It was an annexation following an invasion. Putin’s regime

    Christians are not liars. Therefore, Putin

    Don’t take your petty Eastern European ego/ambition as some universal moral criterion. All politicians are liars, including all Roman popes etc. Politicians are also not the best possible humans. Yet when compared with Trump or Macron, Putin lools like a genius, when compared to Pielsudski or Lech Waleza – Putin again looks as, at least, a sane and very kind-hearted person. From Eastern European point of view, Russians are plain evil (‘mordor’ with heavy industry and horrendous army) that always tries to grab their small lands to rule them forever, and Europeans are just humans. From a Russian point of view, Eastern Europeans are a bunch of ungrateful hobbits, not to be cared about anymore.

  121. FB says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke

    Excellent comment…

    A fleeing Walter Scott is shot dead by ‘officer’ Slager…

  122. without the Iron-Man, Stalin, who preserved Holy Russia´s eastern “shades” & prevented the Judeo-apparatchiks of the party to take over, completely, the whole land of the Soviets. I am afraid to say, it is utmost urgent to bring back Father Joe to the USA if the American Republic is to be saved.

    • Replies: @FB
  123. Alfred says:
    @A123

    Why all the venom directed at Iran? What have they done to you? Their government is overwhelmingly popular despite all the sanctions. I guess you have been reading the NYT and that is where you get your information about Iran.

    Whether you like it or not, Iran is a heck of a lot more democratic than the USA.

    This Sunni-Shia nonsense has to be laid to rest.

    The Yemenis are no more Shia than the Syrians are. What we have is the Wahabis versus the non-Wahabis. Wahabism was largely supported/created by the British when they counted for something in that region – just like so many other sects. Divide and Rule. In Iran, they created the Baha’i sect.

    • Replies: @anon
  124. Stalin put the label “cosmopolites” to those Judeo-apparatchiks of the Party that were desiring a sort of “rapprochement with the West. we call them, nowadays, the “globalists”.

  125. @Bardon Kaldian

    BS. Humans got where we are through cooperation and surrender of certain freedoms for common good. The west concentrated too much on personal trivial freedom while in reality creating modern slavery. Complete freedom especially in this overcrowded world is illusion used used as wool constantly pooled in front of gullible people eyes. Reality is that modern people are enslaved on many levels. One of the outcomes between reality and illusion being huge numbers of people seeking scape through drugs and anti stress meds. Capitalists got the best kind of slaves now. Free ranging slaves. No need to feed, cloth and house those and no even need to use military force to keep them in line. As Lenin used to say that the worst slave is one happy with his slavery. The west is full of this kind.

    • Agree: Miro23, FB
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @FB
  126. APilgrim says:
    @Quartermaster

    Those who cannot dissemble are unfit to bear rule.

    Quartermaster knows NOTHING of: Christianity, Politics, or Vladimir Putin.

  127. please, show one page of the last 300 years of History when the West was “friendly” to Russia or wanted to welcome her. enmity, ill-feeling, hostility started since the big Schism of 1058.

  128. Why Russia wo UK ld need to be part of THIS West? It is degenerate asilium. The reason is not only in anti Russian policies but on fundamental level. Modern west is degenerate. As an one of examples what Russia does not need is transgender fagots advertising on kids channels and in cinemas when kids cartoons are being shown. Yes, it is what is going on. The west is anti life. Anti white and anti everything normal. Not that China is an alternative. Russia on the other hand might be.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @APilgrim
  129. neutral says:
    @Jake

    You may joke about it, but this is exactly what is going to happen in the future. Observe how Hungary and Poland are facing immense pressure by the US and EU to open itself to the third world. This is now the fundamental ideology of the post West SJW regimes, Russia will face ever increasing hostility if it does not open its borders to the non white world.

    The question is if Russia can last long enough, because once the US and EU become a brown blob they will not have the means to enforce their ideology anymore, or will the Russian liberals gain enough power to make Russia succumb to the same racial doom that the post West will have.

  130. Parbes says:
    @Philip Owen

    You’re simply engaging in verbal legerdemain here, like dishonest demagogues of your ilk always do, trying to play on the negative emotional connotation ascribed to the vocabulary word “annexation”. Annexation against against one’s will, i.e. “forcible conquest”, is very different from voluntarily joining, i.e. “voluntary annexation” – although technically they are both called “annexation”. In fact, they are the POLAR OPPOSITES of each other. It’s like saying there’s no difference between consensual sex and rape – since technically they are both “an act of sex”, involving penetration of a body cavity and ejaculation of sperm into it.

    Pre-World War 2 Austria democratically voting for anschluss with Germany was perfectly voluntary, too; and there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with it – IF HITLER HADN’T GONE ON TO DO THE THINGS HE DID AFTER THAT.

    But you already knew all that, didn’t you, you Anglo-Zio propagandist cretin?

  131. Pandour says: • Website

    Simply uncanny that this joker after all these decades should be considered as an objective analyst of Russian affairs.

  132. @RadicalCenter

    Having children in a mongrel nation is a hostile act to our race. Good riddance traitor.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  133. APilgrim says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I do not disagree with your statement generally.

    However, what is ‘asilium’?

  134. Richard B says:
    @Fran Macadam

    today it is said that the United States is being isolated in international relations.

    The United States in this case = The Hostile Elite.

    As such, the hostile elite have isolated themselves from international relations and from the host population they openly despise.

    Talk about burning the candle from both ends.

    No wonder

    Little if any of this seems to be understood by the US political-media establishment.

    The problem is obviously not Russia or The United States or The Deplorables.

    The problem is obviously The Hostile Elite.

    The problem is a group of people whose behavior has made it clear that they must be removed from power immediately.

    Their insanity is not going to stop itself.

    Treason Against The Hostile Elite Is Loyalty to Humanity.

  135. Richard B says:
    @the grand wazoo

    If i was 20 years old again i would immigrate to Russia.

    I remember a professor in college during the 80’s saying “If I was in my early 20’s today I’d be learning Russian or Japanese.”

    In my own case, I don’t regret not taking him up on his advice.

    But it’s still good advice.

    And today, of course, we could add Chinese.

    But, for obvious reasons (obvious to some at least), the best choice would be Russian.

  136. Richard B says:
    @Contraviews

    If Crimea is occupied territory there would have been armed resistance by the populace same as all countries do when they are occupied by a foreign power.

    Then how would you explain The United States?

    It’s quite obviously an occupied territory run by a foreign power – Israel.

    Do you think the US Congress gives Netenyahu a standing ovation every time he opens his mouth because they love him?

  137. FB says: • Website
    @nietzsche1510

    without the Iron-Man, Stalin, who preserved Holy Russia….

    I am afraid to say, it is utmost urgent to bring back Father Joe to the USA if the American Republic is to be saved.

    Hear, hear…!

    People are generally too dumb to appreciate that a strong hand is needed in times of confusion…

  138. Miro23 says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    BS. Humans got where we are through cooperation and surrender of certain freedoms for common good. The west concentrated too much on personal trivial freedom while in reality creating modern slavery. Complete freedom especially in this overcrowded world is illusion used as wool constantly pooled in front of gullible people eyes. Reality is that modern people are enslaved on many levels. One of the outcomes between reality and illusion being huge numbers of people seeking escape through drugs and anti stress meds. Capitalists got the best kind of slaves now. Free ranging slaves. No need to feed, clothe and house those and no even need to use military force to keep them in line. As Lenin used to say that the worst slave is one happy with his slavery. The West is full of this kind.

    All these “our freedoms” are indeed a load of BS.

    Complex modern societies are all about restricting freedoms for the common good. That’s why traffic lights work and everyone drives on the same side of the road. In fact, the more complex the society the less freedoms there are.

    For perspective, most of human history people lived in a tiny number of hunter-gatherer groups ( about 25 people each?) lost in a vast natural world. Now many live in cities of 1 million+ with little nature in sight and a mass of complex social rules to make it all work.

    As you suggest , what “freedoms” they have at all are 100% dependent on what the government allows. If the government is hijacked by special interests, and the state and people forced into debt, then it’s very difficult for an urban population trained in docility and obedience to fight back.

    • Replies: @anon
  139. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    This Sunni-Shia nonsense has to be laid to rest.

    Yes, the Sunni-Shia nonsense is glommed onto by every newbie who makes a pretense of being an authority, like they’ve discovered the secret of the ME. The Sunni-Shia tripe has been waved for years (decades?) by all the shallow talking heads while they ‘splain Anglo-Zionist innocence.

  140. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    We are the anthill. Before long we’ll have implants to give us the Borg mind.

  141. FB says: • Website
    @Sergey Krieger

    Capitalists got the best kind of slaves now. Free ranging slaves. No need to feed, clothe and house those and no even need to use military force to keep them in line.

    As Lenin used to say that the worst slave is one happy with his slavery. The West is full of this kind.

    Right on the money…!

    There are many examples to prove this self-enslaving tendency…the sheeple of the US are completely supporting the agenda of the billionaire class, instead of their own interests…

    ‘Socialism’ is a dirty word in the US…but in fact half the population cannot come up with 400 lousy dollars in an emergency…this according to none other than the Federal Reserve survey of 5,000 households…

    Another survey finds that 63 percent of Americans can’t come up with $500…

    How many millions have been thrown out of their homes by greedy bankers…?

    That’s some kind of ‘freedom’ right there…

    A massive wealth redistribution is necessary…the ordinary folk can’t even buy the things they need, which depresses the whole economy, which runs on consumer demand…

    Yet these same dumbshits vote for the agenda of the Plutocrats and Oligarchs…and will squirt all kinds of bullshit about the glory of capitalism, which only enriches their oppressors at their own expense…we see this all the time right here on this forum…

    Then there is the issue of immigration…which EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN SUPPORTS [at least the legal kind]…just recently Trump said we actually need more workers coming in…incredible…

    The problem isn’t even the illegal migrants, which are a drop in the bucket compared to the millions coming in legally…the reason is to create an excess pool of labor in order to keep wages low FOR EVERYONE…

    The illegal immigration issue is a perfect example of redirecting the people’s attention from the real problem…’look over here’…

    And move on…nothing to see ‘there’ with LEGAL IMMIGRATION and foreign visa workers coming in by the millions…

    Again, this is self-defeating for a consumer-driven economy…even Henry Ford knew this 100 years ago when he paid his auto workers double the going rate…so that they could actually afford to buy cars…

    Hitler tripled corporate taxes and gave workers a guaranteed house on easy repayment terms…

    In ‘dreadful’ communism, the employer had an obligation to provide housing for employees…which the employee would own [for all intents and purposes] after a few short years…here we have 50 year mortgages…

    Some ‘freedom’…

    The sheer stupidity of these folks is breathtaking…even a cockroach has an instinct for self-preservation, and will attempt to cleverly hide behind a piece of furniture if caught scurrying across the floor…

    This basic tool of survival has been bleached out of the American people by means of very effective brainwashing, which starts at day one of an individual’s life in the capitalist paradise…

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, bluedog
    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  142. @neutral

    Russia will face ever increasing hostility if it does not open its borders to the non white world.

    First, Russia had formerly not only opened its borders to the non-White world, but had incorporated a sizable chunk of it within its borders. Even today, Russian territory west of the Caucasus accounts for barely 1/5 of the country.

    Second, Putin has in fact encouraged immigration to Russia in order to shore up the country’s sluggish birth rates; and has taken considerable lengths to loosen ex-Soviet immigration laws, as well as to silence anti-immigration groups. All this was done under no pressure from the West. Plenty of ethnic Kazakhs, Tajiks, Chechens, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Chuvash, Ainu, etc have already lived historically within Russian borders; lots of immigration today not only from non-White CIS countries, but from further abroad (e.g. Afghanistan, China, Philippines, India, etc). Presently Russia offers immigrants some of the easiest access to residency and even citizenship in the world.

    Historically, many Russians took pride in not being “White”—that is to say of purely European stock—but an admixture of Mongol, Tartar, and European.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @FB
    , @JL
  143. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Historically, many Russians took pride in not being “White”—that is to say of purely European stock—but an admixture of Mongol, Tartar, and European.

    “Historically” needs to be defined here. This is not to mention that I, personally, never met any Russian who would be “taking pride” in not being white. You should also consult yourself on a dramatic number of radically pro-white jokes which were in circulation during Soviet times, not to mention contemporary Russia. You should know then what the term “chernilnytsa” (Чернильница) means. Another matter, that Russians are racially acceptable of people who are simply good people. Such as Igor Hiryak (the veteran of Chernobyl) who is, with the exception of his black skin is really…well Russian. In everything. So was, btw, the creator of modern Russian language Alexandr Pushkin. Here is Igor.

    and here is Pushkin;))

  144. Miro23 says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Another matter, that Russians are racially acceptable of people who are simply good people. Such as Igor Hiryak (the veteran of Chernobyl) who is, with the exception of his black skin is really…well Russian. In everything. So was, btw, the creator of modern Russian language Alexandr Pushkin.

    If people of any race 100% commit to their nation of residence, IMO they deserve a big welcome – especially since they can sometimes make an exceptional outsized contribution e.g. Pushkin.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov, FB
  145. @Andrei Martyanov

    “Historically” needs to be defined here.

    The 19th century up until 1914. Various artists, thinkers, and artistic movements believed that the genetic mixture of Russians made them superior to Europeans; therefore that it was Russia which was destined to renew and lead Europe. Many in the Mir iskusstva circles, for example, expressed this sentiment in their artistic works.

    To be clear, this is not to say that these men did not see themselves as “White”, much less that they were ashamed of being so. But they also saw the mixed roots of modern Russian ethnic stock as a source of pride.

    Of course, they have been far more accepting of foreign peoples than is typically seen elsewhere; though this was borne from necessity as their wide borders, with its various ethnicities contained therein, required this.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  146. melpol says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Slavs are Asian not Anglo-Saxon. China will in a decade incorporate Slavic-Russia into their economic and racial sphere. There is lots of room for the Chinese population to live peacefully and thrive in Slavic-Russia.

  147. @Andrei Martyanov

    See… I knew it, butthead is an russian agent.
    I think Beavis is Putin.

  148. @FB

    Yay for mass murdering psychopaths!

  149. @melpol

    Slavs are Slavs—neither wholly Asian, nor wholly White European. An amalgam of and rival to both spheres.

    China will in a decade incorporate Slavic-Russia into their economic and racial sphere.

    Maybe, maybe not. I have my doubts. Russia is too big, too independent, too powerful to accept submission as a mere Chinese satellite. While not powerful enough to overwhelm the US during the Pax Americana, it was strong enough to be a constant thorn in the sides of American imperial ambitions. Chinese and their supporters hoping for a Pax Sinica ought to take note.

  150. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Russian Orthodox is not Christianity.

    Actually, most American so called “Christian” evangelical denominations have very little to do with Christianity and are mostly Old Testament cults and fundamentalist sects. Hence their Jew and Israel worshiping. In general, so called Western Christendom is done.

  151. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    The 19th century up until 1914. Various artists, thinkers, and artistic movements believed that the genetic mixture of Russians made them superior to Europeans; therefore that it was Russia which was destined to renew and lead Europe. Many in the Mir iskusstva circles, for example, expressed this sentiment in their artistic works.

    I have to go here with Lenin and state that” Russian creative intelligentsia–Govno.” I arrived to this opinion independently from Lenin and a long time ago precisely because of good knowledge of “Mir Isskustva” in its pre-Revolutionary and Soviet period. As modern Russian proverb goes–thank God for internet to allow us to learn what stupid dumbfvcks our creative intelligentsia are. Term Kreakls didn’t appear out of nowhere.

  152. FB says: • Website

    Yay for brainwashed morons who manage to string a SINGLE sentence together…

  153. @Andrei Martyanov

    I find your sentiments interesting. May I ask why the sort of thinking illustrated in my previous posts should incur your disdain? I agree about the modern “kreakls”, but the nationalist sentiments exposed by their pre-World War I forebears would seem to be in accord with the mood to alleviate or surmount the modern crisis of the West. Would love to hear your thoughts.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  154. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    agree about the modern “kreakls”, but the nationalist sentiments exposed by their pre-World War I forebears would seem to be in accord with the mood to alleviate or surmount the modern crisis of the West.

    An interesting assertion, but enough to recall (it is from the top of my head on Friday evening, so I could be wrong) that either Khlebnikov or one of his friends from all this “wonderful” Silver Century of Russian poetry when seeing his passion getting into the boat with her lover, started swimming around, fearing that she would hurt herself. I believe today it is called being a cuck or poly-amorous, so, basically such beta-males can not produce any idea about “surmounting of modern West”. Sergei Esenin was known to have a taste even for younger boys and was very upset when NYC press was more interested in his lover, world renown, Isidora Duncan, when visiting USA than him (why should they?) . So, there are many questions about them–mostly screwed up individuals, same as Vysotsky or Solzhenitsyn, with rather mediocre “tempore” on-demand talents (well, Vysotsky had some moments) who practiced in banalities. I think, however, that Blok will endure.

  155. @Andrei Martyanov

    Again, very interesting. How do you personally reconcile your sense of self as a Russian with this aesthetic legacy? Russia’s artistic culture has exercised a considerable degree of soft power in the West. So much so that even those who are deeply opposed to it politically are drawn to it culturally. Do you feel that this has been useful at all for Russia? Also, I am well aware of the aesthetes’ taste for licentiousness or peculiar sexual interests among early 20th century aesthetes. (Shostakovich, for example, married a radical feminist who insisted on an “open” relationship that made him into a miserable wreck.) Nevertheless, do you feel that there are kernels of ideas that can be salvaged and repurposed to more fitting contemporary aims?

    Thanks for the reply.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @anon
  156. FB says: • Website
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Historically, many Russians took pride in not being “White”—that is to say of purely European stock—but an admixture of Mongol, Tartar, and European.

    Silly statement…there is no such thing as a ‘purely European stock’…genetics maps confirm that…

    For instance the Iberian peninsula has a fair amount of North and Sub-Suharan African admixture that are not present elsewhere in Europe…this due to the 800 year long Arab rule that also brought in Berbers etc…probably earlier migrations also due to proximity to North Africa…

    Southern Europe to some extent has African admixture…but it is strongest in the Iberian peninsula

    Here’s a fairly up to date genetic map of Europe that shows the major haplogroups of various populations by geography…

    We see here some interesting things…the Slavic lands of eastern Europe and Russia are dominated by the R1a haplogroup…while western Europe is dominated by R1b…in Scandinavia they are about half and half, with Norway actually having slightly more ‘Slavic’ R1A than ‘western’ R1B…Iceland [not shown] is even more skewed to R1a…

    Southern Europe, especially Italy and Greece, but also Iberia have a significant admixture of the J2 haplogroup… which is dominant in western, central and south Asia…even France and Germany have about 5 to 6 percent…Russia and the Slavic populations have much less of this Asian admixture…

    Russians do have a significant N haplogroup among their indigenous populations…and this is the dominant haplogroup in Finland and the Baltics…associated with the Finno-Ugric languages…

  157. Zumbuddi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Henry VIII did in “western Christendom.”

    Manassas Ben Israel swooped in opportunistically.

    Jews have been running the table ever since.

    In several ways, the 20th century wars were wars of religion, rather, the finishing of the Pharisees war.
    Pharisees won.

    • Agree: Robjil
  158. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    LOL. How binary of you. Slavs are Slavs, and true Russians are very White.

  159. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Russia’s artistic culture has exercised a considerable degree of soft power in the West.

    Dyagilev, Stravinsky. Russian Seasons were great, then came WW II and the West was forced to save its narrative of exclusivity. West is not equipped to read Tosltoy, and is largely ignorant of Soviet culture, some of which, including cinematography, is beyond Hollywood reach.

    How do you personally reconcile your sense of self as a Russian with this aesthetic legacy?

    I reconcile myself just fine because I look at the history of Russian people as a whole, and primarily as a people, not as some grossly uneducated construct of Western political pseudo-science, not to mention West’s gross illiteracy in warfare. I do love, however, a lot in Western culture, including but not limited to jazz-fusion and the best of Hollywood. Forest Gump and Wall-E will never be repeated, though.

  160. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    …taste for licentiousness or peculiar sexual interests among early 20th century aesthetes.

    This was/is common among all aesthetes, hardly confined to Russians, and just as common in the political/business classes, no?

  161. @Andrei Martyanov

    West is… is largely ignorant of Soviet culture, some of which, including cinematography, is beyond Hollywood reach.

    Agreed. Aside from Eisenstein, Tarkovsky, and maybe late Soviet era directors like Klimov and Shepitko, Soviet cinema is largely unrecognized in the West. Awhile ago a self-proclaimed “film buff” colleague of mine asked me who were the great directors of the past century. The first name I mentioned was Kozintsev—he just looked at me and asked “who?”

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  162. Passer by says:

    Yes, it will be driven from the West. It sees the West as abnormal and degenerating. It wants to stay away from it just like people try to stay away from viruses and bacteria.

    It is already over. It will be part of Asia, as part of a multipolar world. Its main allies will be China, India and Iran. It will be its own unique civilisation. And it won’t be part of Europe.

  163. JL says:
    @Beckow

    no Russian intervention in Syria

    I agree with most of your comment, but this is a common misconception. In fact, Russia had plans to intervene in Syria before the Maidan was but a twinkle in Nuland’s eye. This is a large part of why the Americans were so aggressive in trying to use the Ukraine situation against Russia. They were hoping to either prevent (unsuccessfully) or, at least, delay (successfully, but ultimately fruitlessly) Russia’s entry into the Syrian war.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  164. Phodges says:
    @Quartermaster

    “It was an annexation following an invasion”

    That was in 1783. Get over it. Or should Putin give Crimea back to the Golden Horde?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  165. @Andrei Martyanov

    ” West is not equipped to read Tosltoy” (check your spelling)

    Listen you arrogant Besserwisser myself a typical mid-western American ignoramous, I have plodded through Marx in German, W S, Hegel (full of shit) Voltaire, Descartes , Wilde , and a plethora of other legendary penmen and I will say this to you : Reading Tolstoy is nothing short of self-flagellation, self-torture, with nothing to gain, no meaningful philosophical points to retain, in short reading Tolstoy is a bloody waste of time and energy.

    “Not limited to jazz-fusion” and what do you mean with this ignorant statement, as the jazz played in Russia today, starting with Igor Butman has basically nothing in common with “jazz-fusion”, rather it is typical for American Hard-Bop, Be-Bop out of the post-war modernistic jazz school, as exemplified by the Charlie Parker, Lennie Tristano idiom.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz performer.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  166. @anon

    Indeed. Which is why I am against throwing out their ideas solely on the basis of their personal conduct. Wagner gave Germany Meistersinger, but he also liked to wear women’s underwear. Beethoven bequeathed to posterity his late piano sonatas and string quartets; but he was also, frankly, a loser with respect to women, careless in his personal hygiene, cavorted with prostitutes, and would probably be considered a “beta” by today’s standards. Do we just chuck out everything these people created because we think what they did in life was yucky? I refuse to, anyway.

  167. Robjil says:
    @Phodges

    Should West Germany give East Germany back its independence?

    East Germany was “annexed” to West Germany according to the recent western “logic” that voting doesn’t count for land disputes.

    The French Riviera voted to join France over Italy in 1860. Voting was an old time way of people picking what nation they like be with.

    Recently, ZUS only likes wars to settle land disputes, Kosovo being a prime example.

  168. @Authenticjazzman-

    and what do you mean with this ignorant statement

    By that, Mr. “Mensa” I mean late Alan Holdsworth, Frank Gambale, Tribal Tech and a variety of collaborations, such as Davibd Hines’ music, among many other things. Go perform your acts of outrage about jazz music in the downtrodden diner somewhere. I know who Butman is, I saw his anniversary concert in Moscow with Winton Marsalis and Billy Cobham–try to invite those to celebration of your jazz wisdom. Good luck with your overly “intellectual” life.

  169. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    West recognized Bondarchuk for War and Peace (hence was his directorship of Waterloo), but such epics as Beg (The Flight), after Bulgakov’s play, by Alov and Naumov, are simply unknown. In the end, who even knows who Pavel Klushantsev was, albeit both Lucas and Spilberg cited him as their inspiration and in the US his films were “adapted” by Hollywood. It is a long story. And then, of course, there is a whole filed of Soviet Great Patriotic War movies, some of which, when discarding a fair share of propaganda fodder which also had its place, are cinematographic masterpiece. Granted, I have to say, that Ballad of Soldier was a part of mandatory courses in US universities’ departments of arts.

  170. @Andrei Martyanov

    And then, of course, there is a whole filed of Soviet Great Patriotic War movies, some of which, when discarding a fair share of propaganda fodder which also had its place, are cinematographic masterpiece.

    No different from various American films from that same period—or from after, for that matter. (Have you seen the Transformers movies, to cite but one example? Pure pro-US imperial propaganda that.) Even so, a well-made film is a well-made film.

    A lot of Soviet music from that period is also routinely dismissed in the West as “propaganda”. Well, that may be so, but it is still expertly crafted and thrilling music. (Khachaturian’s Symphony No. 3 or a number of works by Lev Knipper, Georgy Sviridov, Viktor Belÿ, et al come to mind.)

  171. no-name says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    The West is vanishing, the European Civilization is dying, Europeans are being replaced by a hostile invading force, courtesy of the NWO agents. Being called western now is a joke, Paris, London, Madrid, Rome, Stockholm, all the northern countries look less and less European. Men are few, homos and lesbos are everywhere, perverting children. The only remaining European centres are located in former communist countries (knowing the taste, is harder to fool them with the tale of the European Union). Russia is emerging as a centre of European Power, recently accepted several thousand families from South Africa. Thus, who cares anymore about the stupidity of the 1700s, 1800s, 1900s, etc, when now almost extinguished European countries farted too high for their own asses and looked down at Russia, at times calling them “not European savages”? You must get better information, your claim is old, even the always haters of the white man (hint: those that control the Western nations) recognize that the European beauty of the females is incredible high among the Slavic (Russian among others) women, and constantly trade and prostitute them to Israel (crap, I gave it away!).

    • Agree: Robjil
  172. @no-name

    I get what you mean, but you seem to have misunderstood my point. The author claims that Russia is on the verge of being expelled from the political construct known as the “West”. My point is that even if this were true, that Russia’s designation as a “Western” nation, at least in the West, is a relatively recent phenomenon born from the ashes of the USSR’s fall; and that if it indeed gravitates away from the West politically, it would simply be a return to the natural state of things. Russia is to a great degree a thing unto itself, fusing aspects of West and East into an original civilization of its own and independent of both.

    The fact that the current trend in the West is to degeneracy and atomization, while in Russia (at least officially) things appear to be moving in the opposite direction would suggest that my observation is correct.

  173. Beckow says:
    @JL

    …Russia had plans to intervene in Syria before Maidan

    We will never know that for sure. You might be right, but it probably would had taken a different form. What we have seen since Nuland’s dream took place on Maidan is a lot less compromise and a lot more self-assertion. I don’t think it was inevitable.

  174. @Andrei Martyanov

    In ancient times creakls were considered on the level of street whores and generally were considered bad company. No wonder wonder Lenin considered them as you say Govno. By their subsequent and daily behaviour they completely justify this classification. Imho Lenin deserves lots of credits.
    I never liked so called bards Vysotsky included. But I liked him as Zheglov.

  175. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    Lenin was a great organizer, but he was also a Shit. And who are these kreakls? Does the “creative class” include Pussy Riot, et al?

    Kirill Medvedev: “Let’s not view each other as wretched sovoks and obnoxious kreakls”
    https://srbpodcast.org/2016/01/18/kirill-medvedev-lets-not-view-each-other-as-wretched-sovoks-and-obnoxious-kreakls/

  176. JL says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Presently Russia offers immigrants some of the easiest access to residency and even citizenship in the world.

    If you really think it’s easy, I suggest you try it some day.

    https://www.rbth.com/travel/330996-moving-russia-immigration-living-kirby

  177. Anastasia says:

    Russia will never be accepted in the west or better ny US and Great Britain. They gotta keep Germany and Russia forever separate. Way too powerful together

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  178. Anastasia says:
    @Parsnipitous

    It’s the best the corporate octopus media can do. Cohen is the new fringe element. We’re supposed to be grateful. I see you’re not. Good. Keep that antennae up…..always

  179. @Anastasia

    Way too powerful together

    Not anymore. This meme is long dead. Russia and China–that is the nightmare for the West. Germany? The times when Germany mattered in any geopolitical sense are long gone and economically–it is a declining power which also committed energy suicide, courtesy of Greens and other mad “lefties”. The train has left the station.

    • Agree: Robjil, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Passer by
    , @RadicalCenter
  180. Passer by says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Plus look at the recent issues between DW and Russia. Russia may expel DW from the country. Germany was active in the China protests too. It is politically not compatible with Russia, not simply geopolitical wise. Greens are very popular there and german greens are well known russophobes.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  181. Robjil says:
    @Passer by

    George Friedman, a geopolitical “forecaster”, spouts all the time what the Bigwigs of the ZUS are planning.
    In this video, he mentions that Gen. Hodges pinned medals on the Ukrainian soldiers, at the 42 minute mark. He says that no army pins medals on an army unless it considers it its army. Thus, ZUS considers Ukrainian soldiers its army. US ukraine is a ZUS overseas territory like Puerto Rico.

    He mentions that ZUS has made a cordon sanitaire around Russia by adding Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics as its overseas territories, at the 48 minute mark.

    Russia was correct in bringing back Crimea to Russia. ZUS has too many overseas territories in Europe and in the world in general.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  182. @Passer by

    Plus look at the recent issues between DW and Russia.

    If your are talking about Deutsche Welle, same as BBC or any US “main-stream” media–these are propaganda outlets which, as Lavrov correctly stated, should just write their BS without leaving the confines of their corporate HQs, without visiting Russia.

    It is politically not compatible with Russia, not simply geopolitical wise.

    It is culturally incompatible with Russia with the exception of the former DDR where many (I underscore that) both Russian Germans and native Germans consider very seriously of either returning back to Russia (many do) or immigrating to it. Here is one such, out of many, native German who learned Russian and moved to Yaroslavl countryside long ago and is never coming back to Germany. Here is one such example of many (in Russian).

  183. @Robjil

    George Friedman, a geopolitical “forecaster”, spouts all the time what the Bigwigs of the ZUS are planning.

    American geopolitical forecasting is a field mostly for shysters and ideologues, not real academics and professionals. Last 30 years of US geopolitical “forecasting” produced and overwhelming body of pseudo-scientific delirium and miserable failures with NOT a single work (or “forecast”) establishing at least some workable academic framework. Even “seminal” Huntington’s treatise, despite some interesting local insights, failed miserably. Friedman and his STRATFOR are a parody on analytical organization.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @anon
    , @NoseytheDuke
  184. Robjil says:

    ZUS is trying to make a cordon santitaire around China too with the Uighurs. The “rights” of Uighurs is being pushed by ZUS to create a Ukraine like situation around China.

    Pompeo plans to talk up about Uighir “rights” at the UN general assembly this September.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-un/pompeo-urges-world-to-resist-chinas-demands-to-repatriate-ethnic-uighurs-idUSKBN1W70KX

    The United States will use this month’s UN General Assembly to rally support for the Uighurs, whose treatment by China is among “the worst stains on the world,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Friday (Sep 6).

    If Uighurs get ZUS “rights”, they will be have the same ZUS “rights” like Afghanistan, cordon sanitaire around Iran, or Ukraine, cordon sanitaire around Russia.

  185. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Didn’t Friedman say that Maidan was the most blatant coup in history? At least he got that right.

  186. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei, I am wondering if you have read Foreign Minister Lavrov’s “World at a crossroads..” article and if he had mentioned Israel at all? I have only read an article about it which is not the same thing and I think that you have more than likely read it in Russian. Thanks.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/lavrov-elaborated-russia-vision-emerging-multipolar-world-order/5689957

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  187. Passer by says:
    @anon

    Friedman is still a joke though. He claimed that Poland, Japan and Turkey would be the great powers of the future, and predicted a new war between the US and Japan.

    Stratfor was hacked before and lots of corporate/client information stollen.

  188. @anon

    Didn’t Friedman say that Maidan was the most blatant coup in history? At least he got that right.

    Friedman and his Org (STRATFOR that is) to stay relevant have to, at least once in a while get things right. His “conclusion” on Maidan is nothing special–everyone even remotely acquainted with the dynamics of the region made such a conclusion. So, he concluded nothing special but the obvious fact. After he concluded that, in 2014, he went on and described scenario of Russian Army being smashed in a conventional war in Ukraine by NATO. As I state constantly–most US think-tankdom lives in alternative reality.

  189. @NoseytheDuke

    No I didn’t, but I will, absolutely. Thank you for pointing me in this direction.

  190. @Andrei Martyanov

    Sadly, Andrei, I couldn’t agree with you more. Our guess as to Germany’s likely medium-term trajectory is so bleak that we will be switching some of our children from German to Russian studies.

  191. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    That tenacious will to survive apparently doesn’t include, you know, survival of actual Russian people. They don’t have enough children, so they will age and dwindle if they don’t turn it around.

    Nonexistent Russian young people can’t defend their country’s land and people.

    Nonexistent Russian people can’t settle their own vast emptying-out Far Eastern territory, let alone settle and encroach on neighboring lands as they used to do (Baltics, northern Kazakhstan, northern Caucasus ).

    I’m saddened by the refusal of all our kindred peoples to have children, including Europeans in Europe and North America as well as Russia.

    What few people are left in far eastern Russia will learn mandarin if they’re able, and in some cases younger Russian / part-Russian people there will see no option but marrying Chinese people (on either side of the current border). The Russia-China border will mean as little as the USA-Mexico border, with similar demographic, economic, and cultural replacement of the demoralized non-reproducing euro peoples.

  192. @Alexandros

    Need more explanation.

    It’s treasonous to have your kids ever live or study or work in another country?

    Or it’s treasonous to give one’s children language and other skills to survive no matter what happens to their home state/country, as we are doing with ours?

    Please clarify, oh righteous one.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  193. @FB

    No, we don’t need a drunken atheist Georgian leading us, thank you.

    Now a sober, God-fearing Russian might be a different story. I think Russia already has one of those, though who knows who will come after him.

  194. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Because they don’t have enough active sodomites to be as Christian as the Catholic Church? Or what?

  195. @Andrei Martyanov

    Having migrated to an evangelical Baptist congregation, I love these people but I’m seeing some truth in your observation.

  196. @RadicalCenter

    It’s not treasonous by itself to live or work in another country. It begs the question though why anyone would expose their kids to a childhood in a racially foreign country? Who knows, maybe they’ll fall in love with one of the natives. What is the motivation behind this? Loyalty to your own race and country would certainly not feature at the top of that list. If the answer is not Europe, the answer is suicide.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  197. @Alexandros

    See your point. But in your view, is Russia a sufficiently racially-foreign country for white European-descended people? I wouldn’t think so, and I’m well aware of the broader genetic and cultural mixture within Russia and Russians.

    We are encouraging our children to do a semester, summer or year abroad in high school, college, or both. We are starting to focus them mostly on Russia.

    We had started them with German, but have become very doubtful that any of the three German-speaking countries will be a safe or civilized place for them to live, study, work, let alone meet someone to start a family.

    They’re in a Mandarin program as well, but we definitely aren’t encouraging them to live in Singapore or Taiwan, let alone PR of China. Too alien and too authoritarian even compared to Russia. And yeah, I’d rather one of our kids fall in love with and marry a Russian than Chinese, mean old me.

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