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The transcript of President Trump’s July 25 telephone conversation with Ukraine’s recently elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, has ignited the usual anti-Trump bashing in American political-media circles, even more calls for impeachment, with little, if any, regard for the national security issues involved. Leave aside that Trump should not have been compelled to make the transcript public and ask: Which, if any, foreign leaders will now feel free to conduct personal telephone diplomacy with an American president directly or indirectly, of the kind that helped end the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, knowing that his or her comments might become known to domestic political opponents? Consider instead only the following undiscussed issues:

§ Even if former vice president Joseph Biden, who figured prominently in the Trump-Zelensky conversation, is not the Democratic nominee, Ukraine is now likely to be a contested, and poisonous, issue in the 2020 US presidential election. How did the United States become so involved in Ukraine’s torturous and famously corrupt politics? The short answer is NATO expansion, as some of us who opposed that folly back in the 1990s warned would be the case, and not only in Ukraine. The Washington-led attempt to fast-track Ukraine into NATO in 2013–14 resulted in the Maidan crisis, the overthrow of the country’s constitutionally elected president Viktor Yanukovych, and to the still ongoing proxy civil war in Donbass. All those fateful events infused the Trump-Zelensky talk, if only between the lines.

§ Russia shares centuries of substantial civilizational values, language, culture, geography, and intimate family relations with Ukraine. America does not. Why, then, is it routinely asserted in the US political-media establishment that Ukraine is a “vital US national interest” and not a vital zone of Russian national security, as by all geopolitical reckoning it would seem to be? The standard American establishment answer is: because of “Russian aggression against Ukraine.” But the “aggression” cited is Moscow’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and support for anti-Kiev fighters in the Donbass civil war, both of which came after, not before, the Maidan crisis, and indeed were a direct result of it. That is, in Moscow’s eyes, it was reacting, not unreasonably, to US-led “aggression.” In any event, as opponents of eastward expansion also warned in the 1990s, NATO has increased no one’s security, only diminished security throughout the region bordering Russia.

§ Which brings us back to the Trump-Zelensky telephone conversation. President Zelensky ran and won overwhelmingly as a peace-with-Moscow candidate, which is why the roughly $400 million in US military aid to Ukraine, authorized by Congress, figured anomalously in the conversation. Trump is being sharply criticized for withholding that aid or threatening to do so, including by Obama partisans. Forgotten, it seems, is that President Obama, despite considerable bipartisan pressure, steadfastly refused to authorize such military assistance to Kiev, presumably because it might escalate the Russian-Ukrainian conflict (and Russia, with its long border with Ukraine, had every escalatory advantage). Instead of baiting Trump on this issue, we should hope he encourages the new peace talks that Zelensky has undertaken in recent days with Moscow, which could end the killing in Donbass. (For this, Zelensky is being threatened by well-armed extreme Ukrainian nationalists, even quasi-fascists. Strong American support for his negotiations with Moscow may not deter them, but it might.)

§ Finally, but not surprisingly, the shadow of Russiagate is now morphing into Ukrainegate. Trump is also being sharply criticized for asking Zelensky to cooperate with Attorney General William Barr’s investigation into the origins of Russiagate, even though the role of Ukrainian-Americans and Ukraine itself in Russiagate allegations against Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton in 2016 is now well-documented.

We need to know fully the origins of Russiagate, arguably the worst presidential scandal in American history, and if Ukrainian authorities can contribute to that understanding, they should be encouraged to do so. As I’ve argued repeatedly, fervent anti-Trumpers must decide whether they loathe him more than they care about American and international security. Imaging, for example, a Cuban missile–like crisis somewhere in the world today where Washington and Moscow are militarily eyeball-to-eyeball, directly or through proxies, from the Baltic and the Black Seas to Syria and Ukraine. Will Trump’s presidential legitimacy be sufficient for him to resolve such an existential crisis peacefully, as President John F. Kennedy did in 1962?

Stephen F. Cohen is a professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University. A Nation contributing editor, his most recent book War With Russia? From Putin & Ukraine to Trump & Russiagate is available in paperback and in an ebook edition. His weekly conversations with the host of The John Batchelor Show, now in their sixth year, are available at www.thenation.com.

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  1. It’s a double standard for the Dems. They spend over 2 years on an investigation for Trump, but don’t spend 2 days on an investigation on the Bidens. Hunter did nothing for the money, he was just the means to pay back Joe for the 1 Billion in aid. Both Bidens should wind up in prison in a normal world. But with a corrupt Congress, Biden will just lose the race and that will be the end of it. The only thing people hate more than politicians is the lying mainstream media. If we ever get a dictator in the USA, I would not be surprised to see everyone in the lying mainstream media wind up in a gulag.

  2. Realist says:

    Trump is an agent of the Deep State, playing good cop to the bad cop Deep State. I have been saying this since mid April 2017. His multitude of actions belie his promises. Trump is a quisling to his supporters.

    Here is an excellent article that comports with my view of Trump.

    http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/3949-trump-cannot-be-anti-globalist-while-working-with-global-elites

  3. Dan Hayes says:

    As an avid listener, I am glad that Prof Cohen has returned to the John Batchelor Show after his summer break. Even happier to see that points covered in the returning broadcast and published in the Nation magazine has also been republished in the UR.

    I am puzzled why Cohen is permitted to publish in the Nation. Is it due to his marriage to its publisher or to the magazine’s remnant infatuation with the Soviet state? Just asking.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @anon
    , @Z-man
    , @Rob Roy
  4. Ron Unz says:
    @Dan Hayes

    I am puzzled why Cohen is permitted to publish in the Nation. Is it due to his marriage to its publisher or to the magazine’s remnant infatuation with the Soviet state? Just asking.

    The whole situation is a rather ironic…

    Prof. Cohen is certainly one of America’s most eminent Russia scholars, and I think that for decades he was regarded as one of the most left-leaning ones, regularly denounced for his leftism by all the Neocons and other rightwingers. I remember I used to see him on the PBS Newshour, sometimes paired with a conservative critic of the Soviets. I’d guess that past history plus being married to the publisher of The Nation is what gives him his residual foothold there.

    I’d suspect that if someone had told him a couple of decades ago that by the late 2010s he’d be blacklisted from the MSM and denounced as a “Russian agent,” he probably would have been greatly saddened at the disheartening turn in American society, but not totally shocked. He probably would have regarded such a scenario as having a 10% possibility.

    But if someone would have told him that the people denouncing and blacklisting him would have been the *liberal Democrats* and some of their most “excitable” elements would be accusing him of being a “Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Russian Agent” he would have thought the entire country had gone on LSD.

    It’s sad that our entire country has gone on LSD…

    The whole situation is actually a perfect parallel to the various past American purges I’ve often covered in my articles:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-great-purge-of-the-1940s/

  5. It is more accurate to call it Russia’s reannexation of Crimea, supported by over 90% of the people there via an election. Russia didn’t invade, it had 20,000 troops based there as Russian troops have been there for over a century.

    Jeffery Epstein should have declared that he was running for President, because according to the logic of many Democrats and their media allies, Trump would be forced to release him so as not to interfere in the elections.

    Remember Joe Biden claimed that he knew nothing about his son’s shady business in Ukraine. Tucker Carlson broke the big story of the week that was ignored by our corporate media to include Fox News itself:

    ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’ obtains photo of Joe Biden golfing with his son and Ukrainian business partner

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6090804213001/?playlist_id=5198073478001#sp=show-clips

    • Agree: Sbaker
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @follyofwar
    , @Z-man
    , @JR
  6. renfro says:

    Russia is the excuse for US actions in the Ukraine as it was in the ME.
    What is America without a big bad boogeyman like Russia?.
    Certainly not a “Superpower’ defending the world.
    Without enemies like Russia we would be nothing but big rich country.
    And all the Neos and Zios and politicians would have to use Viagra instead of war to squirt out their poison.

    A lot of countries like the Ukraine have gotten a lot of US taxpayer money by ‘standing up to a Russian takeover’….and are laughing all the way to their bank.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @Patric
    , @Realist
    , @Druid
  7. @Dennis Gannon

    “If we ever get a dictator in the USA, I would not be surprised to see everyone in the lying mainstream media wind up in a gulag.”

    If we ever get a dictator in the USA, he will owe his dictatorship to the lying mainstream media. But that of course doesn’t mean he won’t turn on them. But it’s more likely he’ll enjoy their continued support.

  8. Russia shares centuries of substantial civilizational values, language, culture, geography, and intimate family relations with Ukraine.

    Poland shares a longer and deeper mutual history with much of Ukraine than Russia does. Not to mention the fact that the USSR was essentially a Russian empire and was responsible for millions of Ukrainian deaths. Most Ukrainians want NATO membership because they loathe Putin and the Russian FSB controlled state. Why does Russia get to call the shots on Ukraine’s future?

    • Disagree: Mikhail
  9. Dan Hayes says:
    @Ron Unz

    Proprietor Ron,

    Thanks for your sharing you views about Prof Cohen, a most interesting and principled man.

    Only after reading the article did I realize that the UR (that’s you) also provided the Batchelor Show podcast. Thanks.

    I’ve been listening to these broadcasts over their entirety, now going on for six or so years. What’s always struck me is Cohen’s level-headeness and equanimity. I’ve also detected affection for Kentucky, his native state. Not something to be expected from a Princeton / NYU academic nor an Upper West Side resident.

    And once again expressing appreciation for the UR!

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Santurron
  10. sally says:

    How did the United States become so involved in Ukraine’s torturous and famously corrupt politics?

    The short answer is NATO expansion <= maybe something different? I like pocketbook expansion..
    NATO Expansion provides cover and legalizes the private use of Presidential directed USA resources to enable a few to make massively big profits at the expense of the governed in the target area.

    Behind NATO lies the reason for Bexit, the Yellow Jackets, the unrest in Iraq and Egypt, Yemen etc.

    Hypothesis 1: NATO supporters are more corrupt than Ukraine officials.
    Hypothesis 2: NATO expansion is a euphemism for USA/EU/ backed private party plunder to follow invade and destroy regime change activities designed to dispossess local Oligarchs of the wealth in NATO targeted nations? Private use of public force for private gain comes to mind.

    I think [private use of public force for private gain] is what Trump meant when Trump said to impeach Trump for investigating the Ukraine matter amounts to Treason.. but it is the exactly the activity type that Hallmarks CIA instigated regime change.

    A lot of intelligence agency manipulation and private pocketbook expanding corruption can be hidden behind NATO expansion.. Please prove to me that Biden and the hundreds of other plunders became so deeply involved in Ukraine because of NATO expansion?

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  11. @Ron Unz

    The only thing that’s ironic is that the FSB has managed to convince substantial numbers of American conservatives that Russia is a bulwark of anti-globalism. Putin is the same Chekist he was in the 1980s, Cohen is the same America hating leftist he was in the 1980s. The difference is that American so-called conservatives feel so powerless they are willing to abandon American values if necessary to stop women, sexual deviants and immigrants from getting political power. It is a destroy-the-village-in-order-to-Save-it kind of Faustian bargain.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @annamaria
  12. alexander says:
    @Dennis Gannon

    If we ever get a dictator ?

    Why do we need a “dictator” in order to prosecute media executives, and corrupt officials who conspired to defraud the US taxpayer out of 23 trillion dollars by lying us into illegal wars of aggression ?

    We just need to elect leaders who are willing to apply “existing” US law.

    There is no statute of limitations on “mass murder”.

    I say “lock em all up” and seize all their assets to pay down the heinous debt their lies created.

    Doing this does not bare the earmarks of a “dictatorship”, ……it is simple American Justice.

    “No taxation without representation” is the founding cry of the nation.

    If they lied us into war…..let THEM pay for it…the whole …damn ….way !

    • Replies: @Alta
  13. It is more than ironic that the Dems (and their like-minded cronies in Big Media) are up in arms over Trump’s attempt in find ‘dirt’ about Joe Biden when the ‘dirt’ looks and smells like actual corruption. Have laws been broken? Was Biden selling influence through his son? Stranger things have happened. At the very least, it looks as though Joe Biden crossed an ethical line. This will likely cost him the nomination.

    Similarly, the news media should–if it was doing its job–pursue leads that would help find the source behind the missing server and the Fake News that helped justify the toxic and duplicitous ‘Russiagate’ investigation. But they’d rather pursue Trump instead. I have never witnessed a more partisan and bloodthirsty Fourth Estate.

    Why is the media so utterly uninterested in finding out who/how the fake Putin-Trump ‘conspiracy’ was cooked up in the first place? Doesn’t it make sense the Trump would want to find out more? Justice demands it. False intelligence can sow chaos and start wars.

    Consider, for instance, the manufactured lies (Saddam’s phantom WMD, links to 911, etc) that were used to justify Zio-America’s annihilation of Iraq. What intelligence agency cooked up these falsehoods? Who spoon-fed these fairy tales to G.W. Bush and Colin Powell?

    Not only have these questions never been answered, they are seldom even asked! The Deep State has gone rogue. And Big Media is covering it up.

  14. This whole ridiculous drama may profit the Dem’s in the longer term — that is, by removing that corrupt, dementia ridden nit-wit Biden from the presidential competition.
    As president, Biden would be a greater sock puppet than even GWB…of course, “sock puppet” maybe just what the Dem’s want….

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  15. Patric says:
    @renfro

    renfro said “And all the Neos and Zios and politicians would have to use Viagra instead of war to squirt out their poison.”

    Very well said indeed!

  16. Beckow says:

    The key question is what is the gain in separating Ukraine from Russia, adding it to NATO, and turning Russia and Ukraine into enemies. And what are the most likely results, e.g. can it ever work without risking a catastrophic event?

    There are the usual empire-building and weapons business reasons, but those should function within a rational framework. As it is right now, the most likely outcome of the Western initiative in Ukraine will be substantially lower living standards than there would be otherwise for most Ukrainians. And an increase in tensions in the region with inevitable impact on the business there. So what exactly is the gain and for whom?

    • Replies: @AP
  17. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks to Tucker Carlson’s show, some folks on the left like Cohen, Mate and Greenwald, are more likely to get air time on Fox News than MSNBC and CNN.

  18. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer

    It is more accurate to call it Russia’s reannexation of Crimea, supported by over 90% of the people there via an election. Russia didn’t invade, it had 20,000 troops based there as Russian troops have been there for over a century.

    Prefer reunification myself.

  19. Realist says:
    @renfro

    What is America without a big bad boogeyman like Russia?.

    You forgot China, Iran…and sometimes Venezuela.

  20. GMC says:

    Ran into a Ukie from Odessa yesterday on a beach i go to i go to Saigon n Vung Tau. He told me all about how Putin set up the Maidan in Kyiv, in order to invade and take Crimea. He was doing a great propaganda act, for this American, until I told him I live in Crimea. I gave some info how the US did Kyiv, then he stormed off. The Ukie nationalist are super brainwashed. Spacibo Unz Rev.

  21. Biff says:
    @Ron Unz

    But if someone would have told him that the people denouncing and blacklisting him would have been the *liberal Democrats* and some of their most “excitable” elements would be accusing him of being a “Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Russian Agent” he would have thought the entire country had gone on LSD.

    Project MKUltra gone right?

  22. Sbaker says:
    @Dennis Gannon

    There is no national security secret left to reveal after 8 years of Hussein Obama and his buildup of the muslim brotherhood.

  23. The current CIA talking point is that it is illegal for the President to seek foreign assistance for his campaign. One might also slant it that the President of the United States has an obligation to the people who elected him to require an allied, friendly government to reopen the investigation of Biden because there is adequate reason to suspect that the Democrats are running yet another corrupt criminal for President. Incidentally, this puts Zelensky in a very awkward position, as one of the backers of his transition from sitcom star to President of Ukraine was a principal in Burisma

    It is not the threat of impeachment that will energize Trump’s base; it is the grotesque, constant character assassination in the (largely CIA manipulated) media that will return him to the White House. The American people have a sense of fairness. They have always been of better character than the reprobates we are allowed to vote for. Whatever happened to trusting the democratic process, instead of using intelligence assets to engineer domestic regime change?

    History is not made by nice guys. Trump has torn a big hole in the tissue of lies about what this country is and what it stands for, and that is too much for those who make their living deceiving us.

  24. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Can it be because NYT sometimes publishes neutral honest Israeli – Palestninan reality .?
    Can it because Guardian once published the anti Israeli op Ed regarding emotional blackmailing of Labor and false accusation against Corbyn ?
    BBC exposed the deep connection between ISIS and West . That was some old infatuation with reality .
    NYT still talks of whistleblower and Khassoghi. That infatuation with press freedom , sanctity of life don’t color NYT’s judgment on Assagne or the ‘ kill lists ‘ of White House .

  25. From the times of Huns Mongols Turks to present Ukraine did not have a governmental structure.
    Ukraine was never and does not have a history of independent nation. Only after Russian Czar chased out the Turks some structure was established with Cossacks system.

  26. mike k says:

    Russia hating is the lynchpin of oligarchic deepstate MIC MSM propaganda. Take that away and the fat cats are revealed as the naked face of evil that they are. Hating Russia (and China) supposedly justifies all their crimes.

    • Agree: GMC
    • Replies: @StefanD
  27. eah says:

    The Washington-led attempt to fast-track Ukraine into NATO in 2013–14 resulted in the Maidan crisis, the overthrow of the country’s constitutionally elected president Viktor Yanukovych, and to the still ongoing proxy civil war in Donbass.

    Which exemplifies the stupidity and arrogance of the American military/industrial/political Establishment — none of that had anything to do with US national security (least of all antagonizing Russia) — how fucking hypocritical is it to presume the Monroe Doctrine, and then try to get the Ukraine into NATO? — none of it would have been of any benefit whatsoever to the average American.

  28. And on top of it Stenka Razin was Russian and he spoke Russian.

  29. According to a recent govt study, only 12% of Americans can read above a 9th grade level. This effectively mean (((whoever))) controls the MSM controls the world. NOTHING will change for the better while the (((enemy))) owns our money supply.

    • Replies: @MaryLS
    , @Alden
  30. Why does the U.S. persist in entanglements where we have little legitimate national security interest and even less understanding of the local politics, culture, and history? Because they are pig sties of unaccountable action, corruption, and abuse of power, regardless of the Administration.

    Trump appears to be doing nothing more than playing the game the way the game is played. The whole scandal, however (including Biden, the neocons, etc.), is an excellent rationale for zeroing out the entire foreign aid budget and drastically reining in our interventionist foreign policy–even apart from its sheer waste and recklessness.

  31. The real scandal in the Ukraine is not only the Bidens corruption but the zionist involvement in the overthrow of the Ukraines government by ZUS and Israeli communists aka bolsheviks that led to the deaths of Ukrainians and a civil war, all brought on by the Demon-rats and their handlers the zionists!

    This overthrow of the Ukraines elected government is now being tried here in the ZUS with the same agent provocateurs ie the zionists, whose agenda is wrecking nations and destroying cultures, which they have done in the mideast, all for the goal of a satanic zionist NWO!

    Americas greatest enemy are zionists and zionism!

    • Replies: @Druid
  32. MLK says:

    Leave aside that Trump should not have been compelled to make the transcript public . . . .

    It’s tempting to view Trump’s presidency as sui generis. With norms and seemingly well-settled historical precedents broken, with the liability casually laid at his feet by most observers, even if not wholly out to destroy him.

    Knowing its intent was remove him from office, Trump nevertheless ordered unprecedented cooperation with the Mueller investigation. A brilliant move in hindsight. I don’t recall very much handwringing about the bad precedent this set for presidential power.

    Trump’s insight, and in no small part it explains his continued survival, is his refusal to accept the appearance of his fully possessing his Article II powers. Most especially in the context of the National Security State.

    Utz has written how even Eisenhower was foiled from negotiating to reduce tensions with the Soviet Union/Krushchev. If they could derail the POTUS then doing so with those that followed him should have been easy by comparison and, I think, was. The trend since, as the USG’s global power grew, was for president’s to ever quickly give way upon after office to the role of what I call Figurehead/Pitchman. It’s a Safe Space, as was palpably obvious through Obama’s two terms.

    While Figurehead/Pitchman versus Real POTUS is, of course, a spectrum not a dichotomy, Trump for reasons I don’t need to belabor has effectively constituted a sharp break.

    So, decisions of his like the following, facially a diminution of his authority, which passed without a great deal of notice, struck me as him protecting himself from his authorizing military actions designed to end his presidency:

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/trumps-total-authorization-military-gives-deep-concerns

    The longer Trump survives the further these highest order threats of nuclear war and to our Constitutional Republic recede. Even if it doesn’t seem that way at moments like this.

    It’s childish nonsense the idea that any foreign state, including Russia, thought Trump would win, much less wanted him to do so. It’s equally juvenile, especially close to three years hence, to not understand that foreign adversaries and allies alike awaited a resolution of this factional war internally within the US, avoiding catastrophe in the meantime.

    Thankfully, at least so far, since Trump took the oath, the foreign powers for which a Hillary presidency would have been a geopolitical gift of historic proportions (e.g. China; Iran), have largely made their peace with that lost opportunity.

  33. No fan of Trump here, and agree with everything #Peter Akuleyev has to say in comment #11, but for the life of me, I have never seen a level of insanity that is being carried out by these creepy geriatric Democrats.

    The likes of Joe “the Bagman” Biden, Nancy “the Knife” Pelosi, Jerold “the Nerd” Nadler, Adam “Shifty” Schiff, Chuck “the Schmuck” Schumer, Maxine “Mad Max” Waters, and forever lurking in the shadows Hillary “The Hildabeast” Clinton.

    Joining the “geriatric’s” is a whole new line up of cultural Marxist, frothing at the mouth to get their shot at holding the reins of Communist power. We have the likes of Cory “the Berserk” Booker, Kamala “Kooky” Harris, Beto “the Butthead” O’Rourke, Andrew “Ying-Yang” Yang, and let’s not forget Elizabeth “the Wackadoodle” Warren.

    Is it all a show? Could a political party who wanted to re-take the presidency be so stupid as too front such people as listed above? Is Trump derangement syndrome a real psychosis? Is Trump fronted as a real MAGA guy, all the while steadily carrying out the continuing Communization of America, with the above Democrat crazies making him appear to be the only adult in the room?

    All questions I feel need answering.
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=128744#more-128744

    • Agree: TKK
  34. @Ron Unz

    It seems increasingly obvious to me that what motivates politicians and their supporters is tribal rather than ideological or economic. If we refuse to talk about tribal motives or even admit their existence, things will seem mysterious that are trivially easy to understand.

    The first priority in European politics is to prevent eastern Europe from reverting to Christianity and nationalism, which are dogmatically equated with anti-Semitism. The job of spreading secularism was handled by the Soviet Union for 70 years, and when it fell, liberals and neocons immediately drafted NATO and the EU for the job. Immigration is valued as a further means to that end. The economic motive of exploiting the new order is secondary.

    It is not hard to dig up old policy pieces affirming this very goal, e.g. essays warning that US intervention in Hungary or Czechoslavakia could have the effect of helping nationalists and anti-Semites. Orban is hated because he talks back to the Head Secularizer, Soros. Putin is hated because he is anti-gay and friendly to the church and, unlike other opponents, has a formidable nuclear arsenal. Cohen himself dog-whistles constituents of this view when he mentions that isolating Russia could cause it to revert to authoritarian traditions.

    Certainly there are various financial actors looking to game the system, but money is the one motive we are allowed to look at and discuss honestly, so this factor is not unreported. What is unreported is how thoroughly western elites are bent on enforcing political correctness and continuing the suppression of Christianity. Of course EU laws at this point are incompatible with the premise of democratic Europe. There is no democracy when you can’t state your opinion.

  35. @Realist

    From the article you listed. All great points so many so called “conservatives” choose to ignore.

    Trump’s true nature is slowly being revealed as we cross the point of no return on the economy and the “global economic reset”. When Trump openly supports Red Flag gun laws designed to usurp gun rights through back door confiscation, or when he commits to a military buildup by sending troops to Saudi Arabia in an obvious first step towards war with Iran, this causes many conservatives in the liberty movement to question Trump’s loyalties (as they should). The elites have to find a way to keep conservatives and liberty activists blindly riding the Trump train for as long as possible, for if we begin to question the narrative too soon, it becomes harder for them to draw us into supporting actions which will be blamed for the burgeoning economic and geopolitical crisis.

    • Replies: @Realist
  36. @sally

    IMO money is the most over-rated motive in politics. The proof is that it is so easy to talk about it. The motives we don’t talk about, such as the wish to extinguish Christianity and its politically incorrect moral norms, are more powerful. I don’t wish to discourage anyone from investigating corruption as a factor in European or American politics, but always bear in mind that all people, even the most corrupt and greedy, have powerful tribal feelings and primitive emotions that shape even their more corrupt projects. E.g., in Northern Ireland you might find Republican crooks and loyalist crooks who would sooner die than steal if it benefitted the other’s cause.

  37. Emslander says:

    “The Ukraine”, meaning the hinterland (of Russia), couldn’t be a more perfect illustration of the phenomenological path of human history. The USA, a nation formed with the idea of separating the common people forced by poverty, famine or oppression from their tormentors in the “old” world, is now neck deep in old world complexity.

    We missed our tormenters, like a battered wife misses her battering husband, and we re-engaged through the psychicly distorted monster, Woodrow Wilson, by entering WWI when Germany was about to settle all questions once and for all.

    Russia finally sluffed off Bolshevism and that left American liberals without a promised land, so they lashed about for a while in the God-forsaken Mideast until it proved to be a very tough nut to crack. Something has to be found to justify 12 Carrier Strike Force fleets for the U.S. Navy, so we’ve discovered the landlocked hinterlands of Germany and Russia as the perfect center.

    These are symbols of deep techtonic phenomena presaging a cleansing collapse of the “modern” dysfunctional psychic arrangements. If you don’t understand, you soon will!

  38. Rachel Maddow must be the chief sophistic rat of the NatWest ARSE judging by the counterfactual misandry of its diarrho… Posters in londonistan!!!!

  39. @jack daniels

    Correct if you replace ‘Christianity’ with ‘The White Race’

  40. Pamela says:

    There was NO “annexation” of Crimea by Russia. Crimea WAS annexed, but by Ukraine.
    Russia and Crimea re-unified. Crimea has been part of Russia for long than America has existed – since it was taken from the Ottoman Empire over 350 yrs ago. The vast majority of the people identify as Russian, and speak only Russian.

    To annex, the verb, means to use armed force to seize sovereign territory and put it under the control of the invading forces government. Pretty much as the early Americans did to Northern Mexico, Hawaii, etc. Russia used no force, the Governors of Crimea applied for re-unification with Russia, Russia advised a referendum, which was held, and with a 96% turnout, 97% voted for re-unification. This was done formally and legally, conforming with all the international mandates.

    It is very damaging for anyone to say that Russia “annexed” Crimea, because when people read, quickly moving past the world, they subliminally match the word to their held perception of the concept and move on. Thus they match the word “annex” to their conception of the use of Armed Force against a resistant population, without checking.

    All Cohen is doing here is reinforcing the pushed, lying Empire narrative, that Russia invaded and used force, when the exact opposite is true!!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Parsnipitous
  41. sally says:
    @jack daniels

    Money or motive I firmly believe the humanity in the world would sort out their differences if they had a form able to hear complaints and bring form convictions or rulings of fact.

    There should be an international rule supported by the power of the nation states to use the forces of the the nation states, to enforce rulings of a human rights court (such court to be totally independent of the corrupt nation state system and such a court to be appointed by worldwide elections, done nation by nation).

    I would call such a court => The guardian court of human rights. In such a court the governed citizens and residents of any nation would have standing to personally or with representation to bring a charge of corruption, violation of human rights, or a charge of issuing an intentional mis-statement of fact or mis representation of circumstance against any official in any government.
    Also the HRG court should be empowered to develop and render null hypothesis presented to it about the truth or false hood of any understanding any where in the world. These hypothesis would stand until the negative is proved.

    Humanity many not disagree on issues or things, but all disagreement should be based on the true facts, not false hoods, and misstatements of facts or influenced by power one of the parties can bring to the table. When ever a governor is empowered or appointed, he or she should be made to pledge allegiance to human rights, and to resolve all conflict by the power of governance and human rights in favor of human rights.

    It is a human right that those who govern no matter where in the world or high or low in power the office or station of the governor is, if that office or person is a part of the governing apparatus of the nation state or nation then the HRG court should have jurisdiction and be empowered to hear all cases of corruption, malfeasance or misstatement of fact, condition or circumstance.

    Convicted persons will be punished by the court, but in all circumstances the person convicted will no longer be eligible to hold a position in any government or be a contractor or employed by any contractor which is in service to any government any where in the world.

    • Replies: @Alden
  42. @Carlton Meyer

    One wonders if Mr. Putin, as he puts his head on the pillow at night, fancies that he should have rolled the Russian tanks into Kiev, right after the 2014 US-financed coup of Ukraine’s elected president, which was accomplished while he was pre-occupied with the Sochi Olympics, and been done with it. He had every justification to do so, but perhaps feared Western blowback. Well, the blowback happened anyway, so maybe Putin was too cautious.

    The new Trump Admin threw him under the bus when it installed the idiot Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador, whose first words were that Russia must give Crimea back. With its only major warm water port located at Sevastopol, that wasn’t about to happen, and the US Deep State knew it.

    Given how he has been so unfairly treated by the media, and never given a chance to enact his Russian agenda, anyone who thinks that Trump was ‘selected’ by the deep state has rocks for brains. The other night, on Rick Sanchez’s RT America show, former US diplomat, and frequent guest Jim Jatras said that he would not be too surprised if 20 GOP Senators flipped and voted to convict Trump if the House votes to impeach.

    The deep state can’t abide four more years of the bombastic, Twitter-obsessed Trump, hence this Special Ops Ukraine false flag, designed to fool a majority of the people. The smooth talking, more warlike Pence is one of them. The night of the long knives is approaching.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Skeptikal
  43. RLV says:

    It’s quite ironic that the party that was in power when it was revealed that the NSA was spying on every US citizen (and a ton of foreigners) – an obvious violation of the 4th Amendment – now want to moan about the unconstitutionality of this phone call. This impeachment is a sham because the real issues (Iraq War, the Financial Crisis, NSA/CIA spying, etc.) are not even being discussed. Who looks at this silly transcript and thinks it even ranks in the annals of criminal actions by US presidents?

    That’s not to say Trump’s side is any better. Now William Barr wants to give access to encrypted WhatsApp messages to the Justice Department. Republicans have enabled the security state every step of the way. Democrats once at least pretended they opposed the alphabet agencies, now they do nothing but sing their praises.

    Honestly there isn’t really much hope. Anyone who knows a bit about “deep learning” (or just plain old statistics) knows what kind of weapon the government can create with the amount of data and computing power they have access to. Not to mention tbe tech corporations. Be prepared for the mass psychosis of the population to reach untenable levels in 2020.

  44. The US actions in Ukraine are typical, not exceptional. Acting as an Empire, the US always installs the worst possible scum in power in its vassals, particularly in newly acquired ones.

    The “logic” of the Dem party is remarkable. Dems don’t even deny that Biden is corrupt, that he blatantly abused the office of Vice-President for personal gain. What’s more, he was dumb enough to boast about it publicly. Therefore, let’s impeach Trump.

    These people don’t give a hoot about the interests of the US as a country, or even as an Empire. Their insatiable greed for money and power blinds them to everything. By rights, those who orchestrated totally fake Russiagate and now push for impeachment, when Russiagate flopped miserably, should be hanged on lampposts for high treason. Unfortunately, justice won’t be served. So, we have to be satisfied with an almost assured prospect of this impeachment thing to flop, just like Russiagate before it. But in the process incalculable damage will be done to our country and its institutions.

    • Agree: annamaria
  45. @Pamela

    In fact, several Western sources reluctantly confirmed the results of Crimean referendum of 2014:
    German polling company GFK
    http://www.gfk.com/ua/Documents/Presentations/GFK_report_FreeCrimea.pdf
    Gallup
    http://www.bbg.gov/wp-content/media/2014/06/Ukraine-slide-deck.pdf

    Those who support the separation of Kosovo from Serbia without Serbian consent cannot argue against separation of Crimea from Ukraine without the consent of Kiev regime.

    On the other hand, those who believe that post-WWII borders are sacrosanct have to acknowledge that Crimea belongs to Russia (illegally even by loose Soviet standards transferred to Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1956), Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Soviet Union should be restored, and Germany should be re-divided.

  46. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    From your article:

    There was also a very strange domestic incident that immediately followed the Pearl Harbor attack, one which seems to have attracted far too little interest. In that era, films were the most powerful popular media, and although Gentiles constituted 97% of the population, they controlled only one of the major studios; perhaps coincidentally, Walt Disney was also the only high-ranking Hollywood figure perched squarely within the anti-war camp. And the day after the surprise Japanese attack, hundreds of U.S. troops seized control of Disney Studios, allegedly in order to help defend California from Japanese forces located thousands of miles away, with the military occupation continuing for the next eight months.

    >><<

    the entire country had gone on LSD.

    I’ve been on LSD (the seventies, after all ; )

    This transcends LSD, this is Alice in Wonderland meets Room 101.

    From Wiki:

    Upon the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor by the Axis-affiliated Empire of Japan on December 7, 1941, 500 United States Army troops moved in the next day to occupy Walt Disney Studios in Burbank, California for the next eight months—the only Hollywood film studio under military occupation in history—as America began a massive build up to fight in World War II.

    Over 90% of Disney employees were devoted to the production of training and propaganda films for the government.[3] Throughout the duration of the war, Disney produced over 400,000 feet of educational war films, most at cost, which is equal to 68 hours of continuous films. In 1943 alone, 204,000 feet of film was produced. [2]

    Disney created The New Spirit (1942) after a request from the Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., to make Americans accept the payment of income taxes.

    [my emphasis]

    So Disney, the only Gentile with a movie studio, was commandeered, along with his studio and entire team, to make propaganda movies for the military and Dept. of the Treasury. To demonize Germans and ‘Japs’, and condition the American people to their slaughter.

    All under military occupation. With 500 troops at the ready the day after the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney%27s_World_War_II_propaganda_production

    >>sigh<<

    There was never a time under the influence of LSD that I'd ever perceived reality as so utterly 'down the rabbit hole' discombobulated, as the actual reality.

    Everything I've ever been taught is a carefully constructed, fabricated, false reality.

    What- one wonders- did this all do to Walt Disney, and his view of 'America'? (and of 'the Jews'?)

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @lysias
  47. @follyofwar

    You are right about Trump, but I don’t think you interpret Putin’s reluctance to take over Ukraine correctly. That would mean taking on 20-30 million parasites. The majority of Russians don’t want that to happen. Russia successfully got rid of a lot of parasites Soviet Union used to feed (“brotherly” republics and “brotherly” socialist countries), and now Russia looks and functions a lot better than it used to before 1991.

  48. Alden says:

    At least now I know why Ukraine is so essential to American national security. It’s so even more of my and my families’ taxes can pay for a massive expansion of Nato, which means American military bases in Ukraine. Greenland to the borders of China.

    We’re encircling the earth, like those old cartoons about bankers.

  49. It is not complicated !!!!
    All payments to Biden son were channel of bribery to Democratic administration.
    Anybody can understand it.
    So impeachment attempt of Trump is actually coverup of Democratic misdeeds .

    • Replies: @Castellio
  50. Rubicon2 says:
    @Realist

    All this theatrics, serves ONE purpose: to further divide & destroy any semblence of being an American. And the American public is ripe for such manipulations because the masses are hopelessly ignorant and illiterate about what the destructive Elitists have done and ARE doing to further pauperize this society.

    Why spend one’s time analyzing why Trump behaves the way he does? It matters NOT:

    the fact of the matter is that the American Hegemony: the US$$ is slowly eroding by contending nations and their currencies. In this regard, Dr. Michael Hudson carefully reveals this slow erosion.

    Instead, turn your focus on the rising powers of Russia, China, parts of Asia and some in the Middle East who are carefully focusing their attentions on ways to severe all ties to the US currency. Between those behaviors and the US Elitists who are beginning to eat some of their own; keep your savvy minds centered on those narrations.

    • Replies: @Realist
  51. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Poland shares a longer and deeper mutual history with much of Ukraine than Russia does. Not to mention the fact that the USSR was essentially a Russian empire and was responsible for millions of Ukrainian deaths. Most Ukrainians want NATO membership because they loathe Putin and the Russian FSB controlled state. Why does Russia get to call the shots on Ukraine’s future?

    Russia and Ukraine have closer historical and cultural ties with each other. Polls on NATO membership indicate that “most” Ukrainians aren’t gung ho on joining that militaristic organization.

    Poland isn’t historically virtuous, with Communist fault lines being multiethnic :

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    BTW, Dzerzhinsky was a Pole with other such individuals (Polish, Ukrainian, Russian and others) to boot.

    • Replies: @Alden
  52. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes

    Cohen and for that matter Batchelor have a misconceived old school view of a Russian Civil War, where one side was getting propped by foreign intervention unlike the other. The actual situation is far more nuanced, inclusive of considerable foreign support for the Reds.

  53. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nonsense. Putin and Cohen have spoken out against the brutal aspects of the USSR on numerous occasions. Post-Soviet Russia is nothing like the USSR.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  54. @animalogic

    My first thought when Pelosi came barrelling out of her meeting with the more extreme Dem whack-jobs was that Impeachment over Ukraine was a get rid of Biden move.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  55. Agent76 says:

    Oct 2, 2019 Putin: Feel Free to Release My Transcripts With Trump; You Will Find Nothing Compromising In It!

    Russian President Vladimi Putin said that he would not mind if the White House made public his talks with American President Trump at a summit meeting last year, because there was nothing compromising in their conversations.

    Sep 29, 2019 Russian TV Reveals The Facts Behind Trump’s Accusations About Biden And His Son Hunter

    Are true American President Donald Trump accusations about former US vice-president Biden And His Son Hunter Biden? Watch real news to found out!

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  56. @Bill Jones

    Dems did more to bury Biden than Trump could have. I can only applaud: when Dems bury each other, I sincerely wish them all success. Buried crap doesn’t stink as much.

  57. Alden says:
    @Mikhail

    Dzerzhinsky was a Jew not a Pole.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  58. Z-man says:
    @Dan Hayes

    From what I recall John Batchelor, besides being weird (as per Don Imus, lol), is a Neocon mouthpiece of the first order and I am surprised that Prof. Cohen is on his show. I remember hearing Prof. Cohen once on that radio show when I was waiting to pick up my son in the car. Prof. Cohen’s views which I beleived were contrary to Batchelor’s were not challenged by the Neocon mouthpiece, which intrigued me.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Dan Hayes
  59. Z-man says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Yes, Crimea is Russia. Putin just corrected a bureaucratic mistake made in the late Stalin era.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  60. @Z-man

    The stupid mistake was made by Khrushchev in 1956. Stalin died in 1953.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Parsnipitous
  61. @Ozymandias

    Don’t forget the military. A strongman needn’t be a media sponsored candidate; the armed forces could easily usurp the power with one of its own. And never say, never!

    • Replies: @Bill
  62. chris says:
    @Ron Unz

    I had to stop listening after the 10th min. where the good professor (without any push-back from the interviewer) says:

    … Victor Yanukovich was overthrown by a street coup…. at that moment, the United States and not only the United States but the Western European Governments had to make a decision would they acknowledge the overthrow of Yannukovic as having been legitimate, and therefore accept whatever government emerged, and that was a fateful moment within 24hours, the governments, including the government of president Obama endorsed what was essentially a coup d’etat against Yanukovich.

    Has the good Professor so quickly forgotten about Victoria Nuland distributing cookies with John McCain in the Maidan as the coup was still unfolding? Her claim at the think tank in DC where she discusses having spent $30million (if I remember correctly) for foisting the Ukraine coup ?

    Has he forgotten the historical conversation of Nuland and Payatt picking the next president of Ukraine “Yats is our guy” and “Yats” actually emerging as the president a week later ? None of these facts are in any way remotely compatible with passive role professor Cohen ascribes to the US.

    These are not simple omissions but willful acts of misleading of fools. The good professor’s little discussed career as a resource for the secret services has reemerged after seemingly having been left out in the cold during the 1st attempted coup against Trump.

    No, the real story is more than just a little NATO expansion as the professor does suggest, but more directly, the attempted coup that the US is still trying to stage in Russia itself, in order to regain control of Russia’s vast energy resources which Putin forced the oligarchs to disgorge. The US desperately wants to achieve this in order to be able to ultimately also control China’s access to those resources as well.

    In the way that Iraq was supposed to be a staging post for an attack on Iran, Ukraine is the staging post for an attack on Russia.

    The great Russian expert stirred miles very clear of even hinting at such scenarios, even though anyone who’s thought about US world policies will easily arrive at this logical conclusion.

    • Replies: @anon
  63. TKK says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Is it all a show? Could a political party who wanted to re-take the presidency be so stupid as too front such people as listed above? Is Trump derangement syndrome a real psychosis? Is Trump fronted as a real MAGA guy, all the while steadily carrying out the continuing Communization of America, with the above Democrat crazies making him appear to be the only adult in the room?

    These are the superior questions you have posed.

    I have a sinking feeling that Kamala Harris has been chosen by “them” to be the next figurehead. She’s too cocky and sure- its as if she has an ace up her sleeve. Remember, she was Obama’s darling.

    Yang is the least repellent, but he appears too reasonable to appeal to the SJW crowd.

    Is Trump derangement syndrome a real psychosis?

    Yes. I told a colleague, a Hillary supporter, that a Mexican defendant (illegal) tried to pay me with a SNAP card for part of a retainer. He called the number on the back and it had a $1365 balance.

    This soy boy lawyer started SCREAMING at me,

    “I don’t believe you!!!

    I don’t believe you!!!

    They don’t receive that much money!!! Its Trump hate propaganda!!! F*ck that!!!”

    He was completely unhinged. He called me later to half ass apologize but I have written him off as a loon. I used to send him cases, but that’s over.

    I have never seen him that worked up over losing money out of his own pocket.

    Maybe AT THE TOP its for show, but the rank and file took the bait.

  64. Z-man says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I stand corrected, the post Stalin era. (Grin)

  65. Alta says:
    @alexander

    Okay Boomer, let me know when your constitutional revolution finally starts.

    • Replies: @alexander
  66. Anonymous[855] • Disclaimer says:

    What about the theft of Ukraine’s farmland and the enserfing of its rural population? Isn’t this theft and enserfing of Ukrainians at least one major reason the US government got involved, overseeing the transfer of this land into the hands of the transnational banking crime syndicate? The Ukraine, with its rich, black soil, used to be called the breadbasket of Europe.

    Consider the fanatical intervention on the part of Victoria Nuland and the Kagans under the guise of working for the State Dept to facilitate the theft. In a similar fashion, according to Wayne Madsen, the State Dept. has a Dept of Foreign Asset Management, or some similar name, that exists to protect the Chabad stranglehold on the world diamond trade, and, according to Madsen, the language spoken and posters around the offices are in Hebrew, which as a practical matter might as well be the case at the State Dept itself.

    According to an article a few years ago at Oakland Institute, George Rohr’s NCH Capital, which latter organization has funded over 100 Chabad Houses on US campuses, owns over 1 million acres of Ukraine farmland. Other ownership interests of similarly vast tracts of Ukraine farmland show a similar pattern of predation. At one point, it was suggested that the Yinon Plan should be understood to include the Ukraine as the newly acquired breadbasket of Eretz Israel. It may also be worth pointing out that now kosher Ivy League schools’ endowments are among the worst pillagers of native farmland and enserfers of the indigenous populations they claim to protect.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  67. Druid says:
    @renfro

    You said it. It’s all about the Zios and neo’s ( who are also overwhellmingly Zios)!

  68. @Anonymous

    Every US intervention for “democracy” is a fig leaf for theft. Libya, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine – same difference. But not all thieves are Jews. What’s more, not all Jews are thieves.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Parsnipitous
  69. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Z-man

    Batchelor has exhibiedt some neocon tendencies. When Cohen is on with Batchelor, the latter seems to pretty much agree with the former. In other instances, Batchelor isn’t so challenging towards the anti-Russian leaning guests like a certain retired Navy officer who is affiliated with the CNAS.

  70. Realist says:
    @Rubicon2

    Instead, turn your focus on the rising powers of Russia, China, parts of Asia and some in the Middle East who are carefully focusing their attentions on ways to severe all ties to the US currency.

    Severing all ties with the US is the smartest thing any country can do.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  71. Mikhail says: • Website

    On the subject of the US, Ukraine and Russia, the author of these pieces (via the below link) exhibit the lousy journalism evident at The Intercept:

    https://theintercept.com/staff/robertmackey/

    Robert Mackey has the gall to call some others propagandists. Shame on The Intercept for still advertising itself as some kind of grand alternative.

  72. Anonymous[855] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    No, not by any stretch, any more than Italians are collectively guilty for the crimes of the Mafia. I never implied as such.

  73. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @chris

    You make a good case. Have you commented at The Nation, or wherever Cohen posts his interviews? Who know if he reads here, and more of his readers should see these points. Cohen may be under some pressure (besides from his wife) to be cautious.

    • Replies: @chris
  74. Wally says:
    @Realist

    Yawn.
    As if the alternatives to Trump would be any better.

    I’ll take Trump over those now running any day.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Realist
  75. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Is Trump derangement syndrome a real psychosis? ABSOLUTELY, and I have the [social] scars to prove it.

  76. Dan Hayes says:
    @Z-man

    Z-man:

    First off you have to realize that Batchelor will be all things to all people on his radio program. For example, he will consecutively host both Cohen and the neocons from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy. I agree that most times he comes across as a neocon lackey. But he never challenges Cohen for whom he seems to have sincere affection for (perhaps being West Side neighbors at one time?) and always exuberantly supports his views on air.

    OT. Batchelor outwardly acts as a frothing-at-the-mouth Israeli supporter but maybe it’s a cover for his Persian heritage and for attending a Scottish Presbyterian seminary.

    • Replies: @lysias
  77. @Wally

    Here I go, agree again. That’s how Trump won in 2016, and that’s how he’s going to win in 2020. Just one note: being better than cackling hyena or current Dem zoo is not a big achievement.

  78. alexander says:
    @Alta

    It has already started.

    Our neocon policies have proven to be an existential threat to the solvency , well being, and future of the United States.

    We have squandered tens of trillions of dollars on stupid wasteful wars when we could have been using those exact same resources to build out our infrastructure, education and technological advantages.

    Our pentagon should be producing best and first technologies ACROSS THE BOARD, not spending all its time trying to hide from the taxpayer how many billions the neocons pilfered last quarter.

    We need to replace our policy of “perpetual war fraud” with a policy of empowering and igniting creativity and human excellence.

  79. Cohen is another Government stooge – almost everything available to read on the Nation is propaganda from “retired” CIA agents.

    Nothing Cohen says here sounds implausible but why buy into any fairy tale from the press? Here’s an idea – ask your own questions. Why is the US sending hundreds of millions of dollars in US military aid to Ukraine? If this were Israel we’d have the usual blather laced with nationalism, idiocy and confusion.

  80. @Pamela

    Absolutely correct, also on the importance of using the word “annexation”, when less than a small fraction of 1% of Americans know jack about the history. Cohen is in bed with liberal warmongers in more than one way, so no surprise. Still, he’s upholding a limited brand of reason and has been cut accordingly.

  81. @AnonFromTN

    The fact that it bears saying so is indicative in itself.

  82. @AnonFromTN

    Honest question: was Crimea’s transfer to the Ukraine done for purely Soviet state reasons or did Khrustchev’s background play a role?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  83. Castellio says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Channel of bribery, or simply tribute?

    What did they want in return from the Democrats? Or were they simply doing their duty and paying the expected tribute to the new governors post-Maidan, as a “cost of doing business”.

    In either case your last line holds.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  84. @Parsnipitous

    Hard to tell. Khrushchev was from Ukraine. He played a role of a clown in Stalin’s court, and often sported “vyshivanka” (embroidered shirt Ukies believe to be their national thing, even though practically all folk costumes in Europe and Asia include embroidered shirts). So, he could have been a simple moron or a pro-Ukrainian moron. But moron he was.

    There was a joke in Khrushchev period.
    One inmate asks another:
    – Why are you in jail?
    – For disclosing state secrets.
    – What did you disclose?
    – I said “Khrushchev is a moron”.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  85. @Castellio

    Maybe you will not believe this, but even 50 thousand cash goes a long way.

  86. AP says:
    @Beckow

    As it is right now, the most likely outcome of the Western initiative in Ukraine will be substantially lower living standards than there would be otherwise for most Ukrainians.

    Living standards have gotten a lot worse for those Ukrainians living in the war zone. They are better now than they have been since the post-independence collapse of the early 90s for most of the rest of the Ukrainians (which, of course, is not saying much).

    • Replies: @Beckow
  87. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    Hard to tell. Khrushchev was from Ukraine.

    Southern Russia, near what was to become the Ukrainian SSR.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  88. MaryLS says:

    I do not believe Trump is a member of the deep state. Attacks on him are too extreme, plus, his history of getting into politics shows no connection to the deep state. His win was a fluke. Once in, I could see deep state attempting to recruit him,but I doubt he would play along. More likely the deep state would try to bring him down, and that us What they are doing.

  89. MaryLS says:
    @Roberto Masioni

    That could be — the only 12% above a decent reading level, but I believe the problem thst gives us disfunctional government is not the poor readers, but the misguided educated who seem incapable of thinking for themselves. And, It’s getting worse,

  90. Bracket says: • Website

    Executive order 12333, 1981, prohibits the CIA from spying on American citizens on domestic soil, or internationally, except as incidental to terrorist investigations outside the US of A.
    The POTUS is the first citizen.
    Why has no one in any part of the press, right, left, or center pointed out this simple fact?
    Also, there is no “transcript” of any conversation between Trump and any other head of state. Because there is no recording or verbatim typed record (such as a court reporter would make) due to diplomatic protocols agreed by all parties. There are only informal notes taken by witnesses at the time of the call. (Unless Snowden is correct about the private contractors working for the NSA). As for anti Russian propaganda, look first to the UK, who have been at it for several hundred years, and who are in the habit of knighting American Republican presidents who take orders from the square mile and Downing street, or whitehall and Balmoral castle. The new cold war is an international project aimed at demonising Putin, who god knows is no saint, but who is also no dummy. Unlike the image Trump likes to cultivate. Has anyone noticed how clumsy the CIA has gotten lately? Or, how hysterical the press has become on their behalf?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  91. Rob Roy says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Dan Hayes, you say:

    “I am puzzled why Cohen is permitted to publish in the Nation. Is it due to his marriage to its publisher or to the magazine’s remnant infatuation with the Soviet state?”

    For you and others of that mindset, there is no more Soviet xtate. Repeat: THERE IS NO MORE SOVIET STATE. That disappeared with the governance of Putin. Haven’t you noticed? The MSM keep right on using the term, “Soviet” because they are determined to keep up the idea that there’s a new cold war. But THERE ISN’T. That’s all US policy propaganda spewed out for the masses so that Russia will remain our “known enemy,” or “known adversary.” It was written into Hillary’s emails the future plan to bomb Iran and then pull another of her very-poor-results coups. That’s what this country does. One coup or illegal war after another, leaving death and destruction in its wake, plus endless punishing sanctions.
    Putin/Russia are so much wiser, cooler and far more intelligent.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  92. Mikhail says: • Website

    At the 9:30 mark of the below link, there’s a Friday 10/4 segment with Tucker Carlson and Stephen Cohen:

    The question they pose at the end of their discussion is easy to answer.

  93. Realist says:
    @Wally

    Yawn.
    As if the alternatives to Trump would be any better.

    I’ll take Trump over those now running any day.

    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the ‘two parties’ as long as their important issues are maintained. As a matter of fact it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting.

    The sad thing is you think voting makes a difference.

  94. El Dato says:

    As I’ve argued repeatedly, fervent anti-Trumpers must decide whether they loathe him more than they care about American and international security.

    Nobody of the hate polloi understands this anymore.

    These people are dumb as bricks and basically chaff used to fire the red-hot politicial machinery some more.

    OTOH, when Schiff talks, he knows exactly what he is doing. A manipulative motherfucker with not an ounce of integrity left up his ass.

  95. StefanD says:
    @mike k

    Hating Russia (and China) supposedly justifies all their crimes.

    + Iran + Venezuela + Cuba + N Korea

    basically any country it is unable to economically control.

  96. @Mikhail

    Well, if we really go into it, things become complicated. What Khmelnitsky united with Russia was maybe 1/6th or 1/8th of current Ukraine. Huge (4-5 times greater) areas in the North and West were added by Russian Tsars, almost as great areas in the South and East taken by Tsars from Turkey and affiliated Crimean Khanate were added by Lenin, a big chunk in the West was added by Stalin, and then in 1956 moron Khrushchev “gifted” Crimea (which he had no right to do even by Soviet law). So, about 4/6th of “Ukraine” is Southern Russia, 1/6th is Eastern Poland, some chunks are Hungary and Romania, and the remaining little stub is Ukraine proper.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  97. @Bracket

    Executive order 12333, 1981, prohibits the CIA from spying on American citizens on domestic soil, or internationally, except as incidental to terrorist investigations outside the US of A.
    The POTUS is the first citizen.
    Why has no one in any part of the press, right, left, or center pointed out this simple fact?

    Has anyone noticed how clumsy the CIA has gotten lately? Or, how hysterical the press has become on their behalf?

    You answered your own questions. The law is for sheeple, Deep State does not give a hoot about the laws, constitution, and the rest of the niceties.

    • Replies: @Bracket
  98. Truth3 says:
    @Mikhail

    Felix was a Jew. His father was a Jew (Rubin) that falsified his origins to pretend nobility.

    The Jews of the Cheka (partial list)

    [MORE]

    • Felix Dzerzhinsky (chairman)
    • Yakov Peters (Vice-Chairman and chief of the Revolutionary Tribunals)
    • Viktor Shklovsky
    • Kneifis
    • Zeistin
    • Krenberg
    • Maria Khaikina
    • Sachs
    • Stepan Shaumyan
    • Seizyan
    • Delafabr
    • Blumkin
    • Alexandrovich
    • Zitkin
    • Zalman Ryvkin
    • Reintenberg
    • Fines
    • Yakov Goldin
    • Golperstein
    • Knigessen
    • Deibkin
    • Schillenckus
    • Yelena Rozmirovich
    • G. Sverdlov
    • I. Model
    • Deibol
    • Zaks
    • Yanson
    • Leontievich
    • Libert
    • Antonov
    • Yakov Agranov (Sorenson), who became especially feared.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  99. Dan Hayes says:
    @Rob Roy

    Rob Roy:

    Thank you for your response although I believe that readers would have recognized that the Soviet state had long been consigned to history.

  100. Bracket says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Limpet bombs on Japanese tanker, in the arabian sea, failed coup in Vn, Skripal case, etc. Are the clumsy examples i was thinking of. They behave as if there is no internet. Not sure if they are even aware that everything they do is being watched and evaluated from 100 different points of view.
    But yeah, i know, most questions do contain an intrinsic answer.

  101. Robjil says:

    ZUS ukraine is an overseas ZUS territory.

    It is not a foreign nation at all.

    Trump dealt with one of our overseas territories.

    Nuland said that ZUS invested 5 billion dollars to get Ukraine.

    She got Ukraine without balls that is Crimea. Russia took back the balls.

    ZUS cried, cried a Crimea river about this. They are still crying over this.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  102. Alden says:
    @Mikhail

    Thanks for supporting me.

  103. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    I read the 1940s purge article last night. I remembered it from a year ago. Great article. Thanks so much for your site and archives. And the hard work, skills time and money you’ve put into it.

  104. Alden says:
    @Roberto Masioni

    Truth is, 4 th grade reading level is totally adequate for just about everything except technical works.

  105. Alden says:
    @sally

    There already are two of those international organizations. One is in New York, the other a war crimes tribunal, is located in The Hague Netherlands.

  106. @Robjil

    Agree, and like Israel the Ukraine will be a welfare drain on the America taxpayers as long as Israel and the Ukraine exist.

  107. Beckow says:
    @AP

    I don’t disagree with what you said, but my point was different:

    lower living standards than there would be otherwise for most Ukrainians

    Without the unnecessary hostility and the break in business relations with Russia the living standards in Ukraine would be higher. That, I think, noone would dispute. One can trace that directly to the so-far failed attempt to get Ukraine into Nato and Russia out of its Crimea bases. There has been a high cost for that policy, so it is appropriate to ask: why? did the authors of that policy think it through?

    • Replies: @AP
  108. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Truth3

    Your sources?

    • Replies: @Truth3
  109. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    Then again, back at that point in history (Khmelnitsky), there was no Ukraine as such. Going back further, much of the territories at issue were part of Rus. The bottom line is that Khrushchev wasn’t born on the territory which became the Ukrainian SSR.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AnonFromTN
  110. @Mikhail

    Wherever he was born, he had two things making him a true Ukie: vyshivanka and clinical stupidity.

  111. @Mikhail

    To be exact, there was never any Ukraine except a vaudeville Ukrainian People’s Republic created by occupying Germany, that existed on paper in 1918-1920. There was a parallel West Ukrainian People’s Republic, which was taken over by Poland (with smaller pieces taken over by Czechoslovakia and Romania). As Russian bloggers joke “Will buy ancient Ukrainian coins. Will pay a lot.”

  112. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Without the unnecessary hostility and the break in business relations with Russia the living standards in Ukraine would be higher.

    Questionable for now, and even more questionable for the future.

    The last 2 years of Yanukovich’s rule had 1% and 0% economic growth.

    Ukraine has now equalized/slightly surpassed per capita GDP PPP in Yanukovich’s last year. This is despite Ukraine being without its formerly richest provinces under Yanukovich. Remember that the 2013 GDP figure included Donbas, which had the highest income outside Kiev. Ukraine minus Donbas in 2013 had a significantly lower per capita GDP. So Ukraine minus Donbas in 2019 is significantly wealthier than Ukraine minus Donbas was in 2013.

    You can speculate that somehow Ukriane’s growth would have skyrocketed in 2014-2019 if Yanukovich had remained in power. But if it continued at the rate it was under him – 0% to 1% per year – it wouldn’ t be higher than in current Ukraine (at least, for the part sof Ukriane under Kiev). Ukraine is projected to have about 3% growth in 2019 and 2020 (beyond that is perhaps too speculative). So it will continue moving past the likely point it would have been under Yanukovich with his 0% to 1% growth.

    Since independence, in terms of per capita GDP PPP Ukraine has fallen behind Russia every single year until 2016. With its western re-orientation, it has now turned back the clock to 2011.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  113. Raven 17 says:

    Trump loathing trumps, sanity, US Citizens wellbeing, U S economy and at least 1000 other things. But it clearly exposes the Organized Criminal Syndicate both in the US and in the Western World that has been actively destroying Western Civilization.

  114. Beckow says:
    @AP

    I don’t give a flying f…k about Yanukovitch and your projections about what ‘would be growth’ under him. He was history by 2014 in any case.

    One simple point that you don’t seem to grasp: it was Yanuk who negotiated the association treaty with EU that inevitably meant Ukraine in Nato and Russia bases out of Crimea (after a decent interval). For anyone to call Yanuk a ‘pro-Russian’ is idiotic – what we see today are the results of Yanukovitch’s policies. By the way, the first custom restrictions on Ukraine’s exports to Russia happened in summer 2013 under Y.

    If you still think that Yanukovitch was in spite of all of that somehow a ‘Russian puppet’, you must have a very low opinion of Kremlin skills in puppetry. He was not, he was fully onboard with the EU-Nato-Crimea policy – he implemented it until he got outflanked by even more radical forces on Maidan.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonFromTN
  115. annamaria says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “…the USSR was essentially a Russian empire and was responsible for millions of Ukrainian deaths.”

    So you wrote about Holodomor… Here is some useful information on the topic: https://holodomorinfo.com

    On January 13, 2010, Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found Lazar Kaganovich [the former First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR] guilty of genocide against Ukrainians for his participation in the 1932-33 Holodomor…

    GULAG, a system of labor camps:

    By November 1929 Matvei Berman the son of a Jewish brickyard owner had developed the Gulag system of concentration camps that defined Lenin’s “most cruel revolutionary terror” …

    Yet it is Naftaly Frenkel, a Jewish businessman and member of the Cheka who is best known for his role in the organisation of work in the Gulag… Frenkel personally invented the notorious you-eat-as-you-work system, also known as the nourishment scale. Like the larger scale Holodomor, genocide-murder by starvation, this destroyed weaker prisoners in weeks and induced a phenomenal death toll…

    Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, Nobel-Prize-winning novelist and historian:

    You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  116. annamaria says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “Cohen is the same America-hating leftist he was in the 1980s.”
    — Sounds like a slander from a poorly informed person.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  117. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Did you even read my comment? Your reply has little to do with what I wrote.

    I don’t give a flying f…k about Yanukovitch and your projections about what ‘would be growth’ under him. He was history by 2014 in any case.

    You wrote:

    “Without the unnecessary hostility and the break in business relations with Russia the living standards in Ukraine would be higher.”

    Well, no. I addressed that in my comment, that you ignored in order to write some stuff about Yanukovich not being pro-Russian (he was, of course, pro-Donbas clan and pro-himself).

    “Unnecessary hostility and the break in business relations with Russia” came with throwing Yanukovich from power. The alternative to this, our, reality was him staying in power.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  118. @Beckow

    Well, exactly like all Ukrainian presidents before and after him, Yanuk was a thief. He might have been a more intelligent and/or more cautious thief that Porky, but a thief he was.

    Anyway, there is no point in crying over spilled milk: history has no subjunctive mood. Ukraine has dug a hole for itself, and it still keeps digging, albeit slower, after a clown in whole socks replaced a clown in socks with holes. By now this new clown is also a murderer, as he did not stop shelling Donbass, although so far he has committed fewer crimes than Porky.

    There is no turning back. Regardless of Ukrainian policies, many things it used to sell Russia won’t be bought any more: Russia developed its own shipbuilding (subcontracted some to South Korea), is making its own helicopter and ship engines, all stages of space rockets, etc. Russia won’t return any military or high-tech production to Ukraine, ever. What’s more, most Russians are now disgusted with Ukraine, which would impede improving relations even if Ukraine gets a sane government (which is extremely unlikely in the next 5 years).

    Ukraine’s situation is best described by Russian black humor saying: “what we fought for has befallen us”. End of story.

    • Replies: @anon
  119. @annamaria

    You should start research onto mass dying of population after 1991 and subsequent and ongoing demographic catastroph in Russia under current not as “brutal ” as soviet regime. I wonder why is that.?Demography statistic won’t support fairy tales by solzhenicin and his kind. Russian population was steadily growing up to 1992. Now some people say Russia looks better then before 1991. Well, ussr in 1990 looked better than in 1960. Meanwhile population fails to keep even at replacement level. Kids are just too expensive under capitalism. It is better to have good time and gradually die off. Not as dramatic of course.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  120. @Peter Akuleyev

    How many millions? It is same story. Ukraine claims more and more millions dead from so called Hilodomor when in Russia liberals have been screaming about 100 million deaths in russia from bolsheviks. Both are fairy tales. Now you better answer what is current population of ukraine. The last soviet time 1992 level was 52 million. I doubt you got even 40 million now. Under soviet power both ukraine and russia population were steadily growing. Now, under whose music you are dancing along with those in Russia that share your views when die off very real one is going right under your nose.

  121. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    By now this new clown is also a murderer, as he did not stop shelling Donbass, although so far he has committed fewer crimes than Porky.

    Have you noticed that the Republicans, while seeming to defend Trump, never challenge the specious assertion that delaying arms to Ukraine was a threat to US security? At first I thought this was oversight. Silly me. Keeping the New Cold War smoldering is more important to those hawks.

    Tulsi Gabbard flipping to support the impeachment enquiry was especially disappointing. I’m guessing she was under lots of pressure, because she can’t possibly believe that arming the Ukies is good for our security. If I could get to one of her events, I’d ask her direct, what’s up with that. Obama didn’t give them arms at all, even made some remarks about not inflaming the situation. (A small token, after his people managed the coup, spent 8 years demonizing Putin, and presided over origins of Russiagate to make Trump’s [stated] goal of better relations impossible.)

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  122. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …came with throwing Yanukovich from power. The alternative to this, our, reality was him staying in power.

    Do you know anyone who thinks Yanuk. was going to win the election in 2014? He was done, so comparing anything in 2014-19 to what it would have been ‘under Y.” is a fantasy.

    To address your point about Ukraine’s economy: Ukraine has lost industry that depended on trade with Russia (exports). It has also lost its role as an energy corridor from Russia to EU. That is quantifiable and quite substantial.

    Those losses are supposed to be replaced with new business with EU and others. It has not been so far – that’s simply a reality. Let’s assume that it actually works and Ukraine gets all this EU business – but it will still have lost Russia’s business.

    If 2013-14 was handled by Ukrainians better they could have preserved all the benefits of existing trade with Russia and add new benefits of EU trade. But they didn’t – they rioted, started a civil war, lost territory, and lost business relationship with Russia. That was what Maidan did. It is that simple, in the long run that means lower Ukrainian living standards and fewer business opportunities (even for Europeans who would be interested in Ukraine) than if they had played it better: no violence, no rioting, regular elections, negotiate in good faith with both EU and Russia. By the way, Yanukovitch by being a weak, corrupt and incompetent largely caused most of it. But Porky’s crowd actually managed to make it worse.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @AP
  123. Malacaay says:

    Relations between the two are simple: fake amero trash is doing everything in its power to help its counterpart fake Russkies, since both are ruled by the same clique: or orders we would say So what are they trying to do? They had an idea of gathering those “nazis” (a demonizing term for the nationalists, because those Ukrainian nationalists have been against Russo colonization). Should be noted that no real nazis would ever allow themselves to be ruled by Jews like those Ukrainian “nazis,” and no real nazis would ever tolerate Jewish theft and plunder like those Ukranian “nazis.” These are fakes through-and-through, just like those who call themselves Russkies are fake Russians. They are artificially spawned for demonizing purpose and possibly to lessen the dislike Russkies have for the nazis with whom they associate Germans (it would seem that masons planed to send Germans eastward to be colonized by Russkies just like some have been colonized into Anglos). So, Ukrops are fake nazis just like most of those who call themselves Russkies are fake Russians, since their very being disables, bars and disqualifies them from being Russians. Ukranians don’t think they have much in common with fake Russkies (who could blame them really), so they have ever been against colonization by the Tatars calling themselves Russkies. It’s perfectly natural they would. Anyone sane would too. But why are they carrying name which belongs to Ukranians then? If they are no Slavs and don’t resemble Slavs, why are they calling themselves Russians, those Tatars? That is what Ukranians are asking. It’s a lie.

    That aside, it should be noted that Russia is ruled by Knights of Malta, while USA by Knights Templars whom some refer to Illuminati (name derived from Los Alumbrados how they called themselves when le French king banished them to Aragon land in Spain, which translated stands as “illuminated”; they are order of banksters). They both employ Jews who serve as their fronts, like Soros for example. Or Rothschilds. Legions of Julius Caesar had their shileds painted in red before going into battle.

    Liberal degeneracy which is ever accompanied with all kinds of sexual perversions and deviance is spawned by these social engineers. Possibly Tavistock Institute or some other institute of degeneracy like that Frankfurt School of Jewish social engineers. It all comes down to freeing yourselves from their foul influence. In the end these polluters like Tavistock must be obliterated from the face of the Earth.

    • Agree: Truth3
    • Replies: @Truth3
  124. Malacaay says:

    And masons should note not to spread their foul degeneracy throughout our lands. We are no Germans, let alone those degenerate scum from western Europe, to tolerate social engineering via spread of liberal degeneracies, perversions and ruin. Germans are good for us as long as they don’t behave like liberals. Or become Mulat race like degenerate libtard le French are becoming. It used to be that le French as well as everyone else in Europe didn’t behave like liberal trash, as they were of Christian morals and mores. Then some brotherhood existed. Anyhow, the only end will be destruction just like masonic scum have wrought all around former Yugoslavia.

  125. Malacaay says:

    I should expand a bit my 1st comment, as the 2nd part of sentence was lost. They had an idea of gathering those “nazis” to be killed in eastern Ukraine. That theater amero golem was used to create is only to gather nationalists to be killed in eastern Ukraine, but that is not going to work. Comrade Stalin and communist company tried to exterminate Ukrainian nationalists (or “nazis” if you ask communists and Tatars) via famine, mass murder and gulag conditions but to no avail. Comunist company applied a lot harsher methods in trying to exterminate Ukranian natiohood without any sucess though. So the plan is most likely abandoned, as killing some volunteers isn’t going to allow Tatars to colonize their people and take those lands belonging to Ukranians. Russo dogs will try to take as much land from Ukranians as possible though. Stealing Crimea was just the beginning. O they would steal all of Ukraine if they could. How often they say they cannot return Crimea which they stole from Ukranians because of monetary resources they used to invest in Crimea. Unfortunately Ukraninas fell into trap and started purging Soviet history, symbols and relics, which only alienated part of Ukranian society and made them feel more Russian. Nazis is also directed and artificially spawned in order to alienate Ukranians from Ukranian origins and turn them into Russians. hey have done everything they can in order for Ukranians to hate Ukraine and make them turn to Russia and into Russians. That is all by design for it was orchestrated to benefit Russo scum by trying to make Ukranians as pliable as possible to b e colonized by Russo scum.

  126. Malacaay says:

    Notice with what persistence and passion Russo dogs guard their “right” to steal and take from Ukranians and how dismissive and rejecting they are toward Japanese who only seek to bring back their 4 northern islands stolen by Tatars: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai which are still called thus to this very day. And to think that Tatars could ever take from Polaks and colonize them. Bah. Just fantasies.

  127. @anon

    American view always was: “yes, he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch”. That historically applied to many obnoxious regimes, now fully applies to Ukraine. In that Dems and Reps always were essentially identical, revealing that they are two different puppets run by the same puppet master.

    Trump is hardly very intelligent, but he has some street smarts that degenerate elites have lost. Hence their hatred of him. It is particularly galling for the elites that Trump won in 2016, and has every chance of winning again in 2020 (unless they decide to murder him, like JFK; but that would be a real giveaway, even the dumbest sheeple would smell the rat).

    • Replies: @lysias
  128. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Do you know anyone who thinks Yanuk. was going to win the election in 2014? He was done, so comparing anything in 2014-19 to what it would have been ‘under Y.” is a fantasy

    High likelihood he would have stayed in power. You are very naive if you believe otherwise (or dishonest if you claim otherwise). At the time he was overthrown one competitor was legally barred from running, an old rival was in jail, and another competitor had his offices raided by the police. It looks like he was setting up a matchup against Tiahnybok, the only opposition figure that he could beat. He was also thinking of changing Ukraine to a parliamentary republic with the presidency being reduced to a ceremonial role. His party controlled the parliament and courts so this would not have been a problem.

    So no he was not done, until he was kicked out.

    To address your point about Ukraine’s economy: Ukraine has lost industry that depended on trade with Russia (exports).

    Ukraine lost regions responsible for exports (Donbas with its coal and steel). However exports from other regions have increased. Lviv, Vynnytsia, Kiev etc. are collectively exporting more than than they were before.

    At the beginning of 2014, before the overthrow, exports were at $5 billion. About 20% were from Donbas, so $4 billion for Donbas-less Ukraine.

    Currently from Ukraine (which no longer includes Donbas) it is $4.3 billion.

    Given the loss of trade with Russia, it means other markets have opened up to compensate.

    It has also lost its role as an energy corridor from Russia to EU.

    Not yet. And it was going away anyways. Nordstream2 project began in 2011 and first application occurred in 2012.

    If 2013-14 was handled by Ukrainians better they could have preserved all the benefits of existing trade with Russia and add new benefits of EU trade.

    Ukraine could not be in both EU and ECU at the same time. It had to choose one or the other. Yanukovich initially chose EU. Russia gave a few billion to swing Ukraine from EU to ECU at the last minute (how much to Yanukovich clan’s accounts?). Central and western Ukrainians revolted, threw Yanukovich out and undid his new deal.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  129. Skeptikal says:
    @follyofwar

    The only reason I can imagine that Putin/Russia would want to “take over” Ukraine and have this political problem child back in the family might be because of Ukraine’s black soil.

    But it is probably not worth the aggravation.

    Russia is building up its agricultural sector via major greenhouse installations and other innovations.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  130. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Well, you are a true simpleton who repeats shallow conventional views. You don’t ever seem to think deeper about what you write, e.g. if Yanukovitch could beat anyone in a 1-on-1 election than he obviously wasn’t that unpopular and that makes Maidan illegal by any standard. You say he could beat Tiahnybok, who was one of the leaders of Maidan, how was then Maidan democratic? Or you don’t care for democracy if people vote against your preferences?

    Trade with Russia is way down and it is not coming back. That is my point – there was definitely a way to do this better. It wasn’t a choice of ‘one or the other’ – actually EU was under the impression that Ukraine would help open up the Russian market. Your either-or wasn’t the plan, so did Kiev lie to EU? No wonder Ukraine has a snowball chance in hell of joining EU.

    • Replies: @AP
  131. @Skeptikal

    Russia moved to the first place in the world in wheat exports, while greatly increasing its production of meat, fowl, and fish. Those who supplied these commodities lost Russian market for good. In fact, with sanctions, food in Russia got a lot better, and food in Moscow got immeasurably better: now it’s local staff instead of crap shipped from half-a-world away. Funny thing is, Russian production of really good fancy cheeses has soared (partially with the help of French and Italian producers who moved in to avoid any stupid sanctions).

    So, there is no reason for Russia to take Ukraine on any conditions, especially considering Ukraine’s exorbitant external debt. If one calculates European demand for transplantation kidneys and prostitutes, two of the most successful Ukrainian exports, Ukraine will pay off its debt – never. Besides, the majority of Russians learned to despise Ukraine due to its subservient vassalage to the US (confirmed yet again by the transcript of the conversation between Trump and Ze), so the emotional factor is also virtually gone. Now the EU and the US face the standard rule of retail: you broke it, you own it. That infuriates Americans and EU bureaucrats more than anything.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  132. annamaria says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    “Demography statistic won’t support fairy tales by solzhenicin and his kind.”

    — What’s your point? Your post reads like an attempt at saying that Kaganovitch was white like snow and that it does not matter what crimes were committed in the Soviet Union because of the “demography statistic” and because you, Sergey Krieger, are a grander person next to Solzhenitsyn and “his kind.” By the way, had not A. I. S. returned to Russia, away from the coziness of western life?

    S.K.: “You should start research onto mass dying of population after 1991 and subsequent and ongoing demographic catastroph in Russia under current not as “brutal ” as soviet regime.”

    — If you wish: “The Rape of Russia: Testimony of Anne Williamson Before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the United States House of Representatives, September 21, 1999:” http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/Harvard_mafia/testimony_of_anne_williamson_before_the_house_banking_committee.shtml

    “Economic rape of post-USSR economic space was by design not by accident:”
    http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml#Economic_rape_of_post_USSR_economic_space_was_by_design_not_by_accident

    “MI6 role in economic rape of Russia, Ukraine, and other post-Soviet republics:” http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml#MI6_role_in_economic_rape_of_Russia,_Ukraine_and_other_post_Soviet_republics

  133. lysias says:
    @AnonFromTN

    If they kill Trump, there will be civil war. And the people with the guns — cops and rank and file military — are Trump supporters.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  134. Truth3 says:
    @Mikhail

    Look it up Lazy Mik.

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  135. Truth3 says:
    @Malacaay

    Agree with part… not all… the nonsense about KoM belongs in the dungheap.

  136. lysias says:
    @Dan Hayes

    When John Batchelor was an undergraduate at Princeton, Cohen was a professor there.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  137. chris says:
    @anon

    Thanks anon.

    Cohen knows the points I was making perfectly well, he’s actively working to erase the collective memory of the coup. I’m just surprised they’re so blatant about ignoring a fact which we all perfectly well remember. Besides the creepiness of it all, I find it extremely insulting that they’re trying to fool us with such easily debunkable lies.

    His actions only makes sense if they’re trying to create a narrative from which the blatant fingerprints of the us.gov have been completely expunged. Others will then reference him and so on until all ‘trusted’ sources will have completely erased this detail. I think if he had released a copy of his 1040, it wouldn’t have been more obvious who he’s working for.

  138. lysias says:
    @Rurik

    Pearl Harbor happened on a Sunday. The seizure of the Disney studios the next day must have been planned in advance.

  139. Dan Hayes says:
    @lysias

    lysias:

    Many thanks for the information about Batchelor and Cohen.

    So it’s the old school tie!

  140. @lysias

    Maybe that’s what needs to happen to return the US to its senses. Public hanging of the elites would be a huge bonus.

  141. AP says:
    @Beckow

    if Yanukovitch could beat anyone in a 1-on-1 election than he obviously wasn’t that unpopular

    Tiahnybok was the most extreme and least popular of the three Maidan leaders. And even he was within 2% or so of Yanukovich.

    and that makes Maidan illegal by any standard.

    Nonsense. Just because a junior partner of a coalition, alone, is not the most popular does not mean that the coalition itself is less popular.

    Trade with Russia is way down and it is not coming back.

    And other trade is up instead. Perhaps in your fantasy world Ukraine could have both equally.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  142. @AP

    Maidan was an illegal coup that violated Ukrainian constitution (I should say all of them, there were too many) and lots of other laws. And that’s not the worst part of it. But it already happened, there is no going back for Ukraine. It’s a “yes or no” thing, you can’t be a little bit pregnant. We can either commiserate with Ukraine or gloat, but it committed suicide. Some say this project was doomed from the start. I think Ukraine had a chance and blew it.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Beckow
  143. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Truth3

    You’re the one making the suspect claim that Dzerzhinsky wasn’t a Pole.

    I can’t find anything credible substantiating your claim that he was of a Jewish background.

  144. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Maidan was an illegal coup that violated Ukrainian constitution (I should say all of them, there were too many) a

    Illegal revolution (are there any legal ones? – was American one legal?) rather than coup. Violations of Constitution began under Yanukovich.

    We can either commiserate with Ukraine or gloat, but it committed suicide.

    LOL. Were you the one comparing it to Somalia?

    Here is “dead” Ukraine:

    What a nightmare.

    Compare Ukraine 2019 to Ukraine 2013 (before revolution):

    GDP per capita PPP:

    $9233 (2018) vs. $8648 (2013)

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=UA-AM-GE-MN-AL&name_desc=false

    GDP per capita nominal:

    $3110 (2018) vs. $3160 (2013)

    Given 3% growth in 2019, it will be higher.

    Forex reserves:

    $20 billion end of 2013, $23 billion currently

    Debt to GDP ratio:

    40% in 2013, 61% in 2018. Okay, this is worse. But it is a decline from 2016 when it was 81%.

    Compare Ukraine’s current 61% to Greece’s 150%.

    Military: from ~15,000 usable troops to 200,000.

    Overall, not exactly a “suicide.”

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @AnonFromTN
  145. Beckow says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I usually refrain from labelling off-cycle changes in government as revolutions or coups – it clearly depends on one’s views and can’t be determined.

    In general, when violence or military is involved, it is more likely it was a coup. If a country has a reasonably open election process, violently overthrowing the current government would also seem like a coup, since it is unnecessary. Ukraine had both violence and a coming election that was democratic. If Yanukovitch would prevent or manipulate the elections, one could make a case that at that point – after the election – the population could stage a ‘revolution‘.

    AP is a simpleton who repeats badly thought out slogans and desperately tries to save some face for the Maidan fiasco – so we will not change his mind, his mind is done with changes, it is all about avoiding regrets even if it means living in a lie. One can almost feel sorry for him, if he wasn’t so obnoxious.

    Ukraine has destroyed its own future gradually after 1991, all the elites there failed, Yanukovitch was just the last in a long line of failures, the guy before him (Yushenko?) left office with a 5% approval. Why wasn’t there a revolution against him? Maidan put a cherry on that rotting cake – a desperate scream of pain by people who had lost all hope and so blindly fell for cheap promises by the new-old hustlers.

    We don’t know what happens next, but we know the following: Ukraine will not be in EU, or Nato. It will not be a unified, prosperous country. It will continue losing a large part of its population. And oligarchy and ‘corruption’ is going to stay. Another Maidan would most likely make things even worse and trigger a complete disintegration. Those are the wages of stupidity and desperation – one can see an individual example with AP, but they all seem like that.

    • Replies: @AP
  146. Robjil says:
    @AP

    It is a ZUS overseas territory who has to follow the ZUS line on all things.

    Thus, Syria, Venezuela, Iran, Russia and Cuba are “bad”.

    Notice how this ZUS overseas territory votes at the UN.

    It votes like it is an overseas territory of ZUS and talks that way at the UN.

    It is right next to Russia, yet, it tries all it can to provoke and make fights with Russia.

    Imagine if Russia did a coup in Mexico or Canada, and created an overseas territory in either of them.

    Our ZUS press would be howling about that. It would be something real for them to howl about.

  147. AP says:
    @Beckow

    In general, when violence or military is involved, it is more likely it was a coup.

    So uprising by American colonists was a coup?

    How about what happened in Russia in 1917?

    Or Romania when Communism fell?

    Ukraine had both violence and a coming election that was democratic. If Yanukovitch would prevent or manipulate the elections, one could make a case that at that point – after the election – the population could stage a ‘revolution‘.

    How convenient. Wait until Yanukovich has time to prepare and prevent an uprising.

    Maidan fiasco

    Although the bar is low, Ukraine (at least the parts under Kiev’s control) is better now than before. So if Maidan was a “fiasco”, pre-Maidan was even more a fiasco.

    Yanukovitch was just the last in a long line of failures, the guy before him (Yushenko?) left office with a 5% approval. Why wasn’t there a revolution against him?

    If you were a little smarter (or more honest) you would admit that this was because nobody felt that Yushchenko was going to subvert the next election and hold onto power. He wasn’t jailing his opponents, raiding their offices, banning them from running against him.

    But it was rather clear that Yanukovich was not going away peacefully after an election.

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
    , @Beckow
    , @Mikhail
  148. Robjil says:
    @AP

    Russian Revolution was coup too.

    Here is the proof. It was a Purim deal. It started on Purim 1917.

    https://www.chabad.org/holidays/purim/article_cdo/aid/3605206/jewish/Purim-in-Petrograd-1917.htm

    That year, International Women’s Day serendipitously coincided with the festival of Purim, which marks the salvation of the Jewish people, in part through the audacious bravery of Queen Esther. Tens of thousands of men and women joined the workers of the Putilov factory who had already been striking for several days. Marching in the streets of Petrograd they demanded an end to the continuous food shortages, an end to the war, and an end to the Tsarist autocracy. Michoel Dworkin, a graduate of the Tomchei Temimim yeshiva, was in the city at the time and recalled that the Rebbe delivered a discourse marking the festival. It began with the passage from the megillah in which Haman, the arch-foe of the Jews is advised to “build a gallows fifty cubits high” (Esther, 5:14). Though originally intended for Mordechai, the righteous Jew, Haman himself was ultimately hung upon it instead. Unfortunately, no transcript of the discourse is extant.25

  149. Robjil says:
    @AP

    American Revolution also had the same help too.

    https://www.aish.com/jw/s/The-Jew-who-Financed-the-American-Revolution.html

    America owes a debt of gratitude to a largely unsung Jewish hero who helped establish the sweet land of liberty in the 1700s.

    Haym Salomon was a patriotic broker who helped finance the American Revolution. In 1975 the United States Postal Service issued a 10-cent commemorative stamp honoring Salomon as a “Contributor to the Cause” of the American Revolution. The back of the stamp reads: “Financial Hero – Businessman and broker Haym Salomon was responsible for raising most of the money needed to finance the American Revolution and later to save the new nation from collapse.”

  150. Beckow says:
    @AP

    You intentionally omitted the second part of what I wrote: ‘a reasonably democratic elections’, neither 18th century American colonies, nor Russia in 1917 or Romania in 1989, had them. Ukraine in 2014 did.

    So all your belly-aching is for nothing. The talk about ‘subverting’ and doing a preventive ‘revolution’ on Maidan to prevent ‘subversion’ has a very Stalinist ring to it. If you start revolutionary violence because you claim to anticipate that something bad might happen, well, the sky is the limit and you have no rules.

    You are desperately trying to justify a stupid and unworkable act. As we watch the unfolding disaster and millions leaving Ukraine, this “Maidan was great!!!” mantra will sound even more silly. But enjoy it, it is not Somalia, wow, I guess as long as a country is not Somalia it is ok. Ukraine is by far the poorest large country in Europe. How is that a success?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AP
  151. What no one will tell the American people is the whole FISA Court scheme is a scam. The NSA and other spy organizations pick up “raw” data (including phone calls) and store it as “raw” data. It can be searched as “raw” data and that’s exactly what the Obama criminals were doing. Then, if they found something they wanted to use, they would go to a FISA Court and PRETEND to unmask it; but you can NOT UNMASK “raw” data that was NOT masked to start with. So in the end, the idea the American people’s data is protected is pure hogwash. It’s all there and Obama made it available to 17 different spy agencies to enhance his spying capacity. It’s time this FISA FRAUD is exposed and all of them arrested, including Obama. In truth, under Obama, the USA was reduced to a CIA controlled “police” state. Google RAW SIGINT for more info.

    This includes ALL the phone calls, including the President of the USA. The actual phone call of President Trump was captured by the NSA and the CIA whistleblower is a set up. The real questions is, will the CIA and NSA “admit the truth” and reveal they have the actual call on record?

    • Replies: @Michael888
  152. @AP

    I posted this earlier, but have to repeat: nobody is as blind as someone who refuses to see. Sweet dreams!

  153. @Beckow

    True believers are called that because they willfully ignore facts and logic. AP is a true believer Ukie. Ukie faith is their main undoing. Unfortunately, they are ruining the country with their insane dreams. But that cannot be helped now. The position of a large fraction of Ukrainian population is best described by a cruel American saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @AP
  154. Beckow says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You are right, it can’t be helped. Another saying is that it takes two to lie: one who lies, and one to lie to. The receiver of lies is also responsible.

    What happened in Ukraine was: Nuland&Co. went to Ukraine and lied to them about ‘EU, ‘Marshall plan’, aid, ‘you will be Western‘, etc,,,’. Maidanistas swallowed it because they wanted to believe – it is easy to lie to desperate people. Making promises is very easy. US soft power is all based on making promises.

    What Nuland&Co. really wanted was to create a deep Ukraine-Russia hostility and to grab Crimea, so they could get Russian Navy out and move Nato in. It didn’t work very well, all we have is useless hostility, and a dysfunctional state. But as long as they serve espresso in Lviv, AP will scream that it was all worth it, ‘no Somalia’, it is ‘all normal’, almost as good as 2013. Right.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @AP
  155. quazi fascists??????
    The ukrops are pureblooded nazis, duckduckgo “Why 2019 Ukraine Imports Terrorists and Exports Terror 1992-2019” to find links and other historical treats in the text mr Cohen.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  156. @Per/Norway

    The ukrops are pureblooded nazis

    Not really. Ukies are wonnabe Nazis, but they fall way short of their ideal. The original German Nazis were organized, capable, brave, sober, and mostly honest. Ukie scum is disorganized, ham-handed, cowardly, drunk (or under drugs), and corrupt to the core. They are heroes only against unarmed civilians, good only for theft, torture, and rape. When it comes to the real fight with armed opponents, they run away under various pretexts or surrender. Nazis should sue these impostors for defamation.

  157. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    So uprising by American colonists was a coup?

    How about what happened in Russia in 1917?

    Or Romania when Communism fell?

    Talk about false equivalencies.

    Yanukovych signed an internationally brokered power sharing agreement with his main rivals, who then violated it. Yanukovych up to that point was the democratically elected president of Ukraine.

    Since his being violently overthrown, people have been unjustly jailed, beaten and killed for politically motivated reasons having to do with a stated opposition to the Euromaidan.

    Yanukovych refrained from using from using considerably greater force, when compared to others if put in the same situation, against a mob element that included property damage and the deaths of law enforcement personnel.

    In the technical legal sense, there was a legit basis to jail the likes of Tymoshenko. If I correctly recall Yushchenko offered testimony against Tymoshenko. Rather laughable that Poroshenko appointed the non-lawyer Lutsenko into a key legal position.

  158. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Beckow

    The undemocratic aspect involving Yanukovych’s overthrow included the disproportionate number of Svoboda members appointed to key cabinet positions. At the time, Svoboda was on record for favoring the dissolution of Crimea’s autonomous status.

  159. AP says:
    @Beckow

    You intentionally omitted the second part of what I wrote: ‘a reasonably democratic elections’, neither 18th century American colonies, nor Russia in 1917 or Romania in 1989, had them. Ukraine in 2014 did.

    Russia in 1917 had reasonably democratic elections.

    doing a preventive ‘revolution’ on Maidan to prevent ‘subversion’ has a very Stalinist ring to it. If you start revolutionary violence because you claim to anticipate that something bad might happen, well, the sky is the limit and you have no rules

    “Might”? No, it was certain. Yanukovich knew it, the opposition knew it, his supporters and opponents knew it. The question was, would the opposition allow it. They did not.

    Reality was:

    After winning his election, Yanukovich subverted the previous parliamentary election, giving himself control over parliament despite not winning any parliamentary election. This violated the constitution, but he put his people in the courts, and the constitution was changed. So illegality began with him, for the purpose of consolidating his power. Next, he changed the election rules so that in the next parliamentary election the opposition would lose despite winning the popular vote. He also jailed his main rival, then made a law barring one popular opponent from running. His police raided the offices of his next most popular opponent. Facts were clear, everyone in Ukraine was aware of them. Question was, if the Ukrainian people would be passive or timid and allow the despotism to take root. They were not.

  160. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Only dreamer is you. I simply provide facts. You ignore them, because you prefer your dreams.

    I’ll post them again:

    Compare Ukraine 2019 to Ukraine 2013 (before revolution):

    GDP per capita PPP:

    $9233 (2018) vs. $8648 (2013)

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=UA-AM-GE-MN-AL&name_desc=false

    GDP per capita nominal:

    $3110 (2018) vs. $3160 (2013)

    Given 3% growth in 2019, it will be higher.

    Forex reserves:

    $20 billion end of 2013, $23 billion currently

    Debt to GDP ratio:

    40% in 2013, 61% in 2018. Okay, this is worse. But it is a decline from 2016 when it was 81%.

    Compare Ukraine’s current 61% to Greece’s 150%.

    Military: from ~15,000 usable troops to 200,000.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  161. AP says:
    @Beckow

    But as long as they serve espresso in Lviv, AP will scream that it was all worth it, ‘no Somalia’, it is ‘all normal’, almost as good as 2013.

    The facts speak for themselves, dreamer.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=UA-RU

    In 2010, Yushchenko’s last year in office, Ukraine had 37.4% of Russia’s GDP per capita PPP.

    In 2011 under Yanukovich it dropped to 34%. Then by 2013, the year he was overthrown, it was down to 33%.

    In 2018 it was back up to 34%. So two years of Yanukovich-era stagnation have been erased.

    Now, again, keep in mind that the 2013 figures included Donbas, which were wealthy regions. So the territory being measured currently is doing significantly better it was in 2013.

    But we know facts are scary for you. Better accuse others of being “dreamers”. Projection is your thing.

    • Replies: @anon
  162. @AP

    200,000 usable troops? How come then that Donbass freedom fighters use them in all orifices?

    The rest of your “facts” are just as true.

    We can resume this conversation in 5 years. Then in 10 years. Then in 20, when no “Ukraine” will be in existence, thanks to deluded Ukies like you.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Malacaay
  163. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    200,000 usable troops? How come then that Donbass freedom fighters use them in all orifices?

    They are locked in their cities hiding among civilians, dependent on Russian support, in the extreme SE corner of Ukraine.

    Remember New Russia was supposed to be half of Ukraine, but it got stopped..

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @anon
  164. @AP

    Is that what Ukie propaganda is saying? If Ukies really believe this BS, it explains why they could not make a right move for years. Even bribed Biden so clumsily that it blew in their faces.

    • Replies: @AP
  165. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Grest comment #159 by Beckow. Really, I’m more concerned with the coup against POTUS that’s happening right now, since before he took office. The Ukraine is pivotal, from the Kiev putschists collaborating with the DNC, to the CIA [pretend] whistleblowers who now subvert Trump’s investigation of those crimes.

    Tragic and pitiful, the Ukrainians jumped from a rock to a hard place. Used and abandoned by the Clinton-Soros gang, they appeal to the next abusive Sugar-Daddy. Isn’t this FRANCE 24 report fairly objective?

    Revisited: Five years on, what has Ukraine’s Maidan Revolution achieved?

    • Replies: @AP
  166. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    This from BBC is less current. (That magnificent bridge -the one the Ukies tried to sabotage- is now in operation, of course.) I’m just trying to use sources that might not trigger you.

    Crimea: Three years after annexation – BBC News

  167. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Is that what Ukie propaganda is saying?

    I don’t know.

    It is simply reality. Donbas rebels are holed up in the cities where they fled, hiding amongst civilians. Ukraine won’t touch them there, either from humanitarian concerns or because they fear a retaliation form Russia itself.

    See, here are the areas of control:

    Look what a tiny slice of Ukraine it is. And the large cities are at the front.

    Now compare that tiny slice to what the rebels grandiosely proclaimed to be “New Russia”

    No much came of that. But hiding among women and children in the extreme SE corner, with Russia standing behind, is heroic indeed 🙂

    Mind you, I am not complaining. Ukraine is much better off without those areas. It is actually the perfect border for Ukraine. Which is why Putin, no friend of Ukraine, wants those territories back in Ukraine and refuses to add them to Russia.

  168. AP says:
    @anon

    Sorry, I don’t have time to watch through a 16 minute video, and skimming through doesn’t allow me read the point. Skimming through, noticed they interviewed some eastern Ukrainians. Of course those would be upset. You can also interview some Lviv people and they will say how great everything is. So? Data is ore compelling evidence. Is there a transcript?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  169. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
    Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

  170. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    “Whenever people ask me how to figure out the truth about Ukraine, I always recommend they watch the film Ukraine on Fire by director @lopatonok and executive produced by @TheOliverStone. The sequel Revealing Ukraine will be out soon proud to be in it.”
    – Lee Sranahan (Follow @stranahan for Ukrainegate in depth.)
    “….what has really changed in the life of Ukrainians?”

    REVEALING UKRAINE OFFICIAL TEASER TRAILER #1 (2019)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Nj_bdtO0SI0

    • Replies: @AP
  171. AP says:
    @anon

    Lopotanok – some shady guy from eastern Ukraine with a sketchy bankrupt background.

    Do you also believe documentaries claiming that the Illuminati or Anunnaki control the world?

    • Replies: @Malacaay
    , @Malacaay
  172. anastasia says:

    Yeah, but look what happened to JFK. And we are pretty well know who did it.

    Looks like they are going to try to put Trump out of commission too, one way or the other.

  173. anastasia says:

    Biden did not figure “prominently” in the transcript of the conversation. He figured “prominently” only in the minds of the people trying to impeach Trump. . Trump seemed far more determined in that conversation to find out what happened in the Ukraine that caused the 2016/17/18 Russia hoax.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @anon
  174. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @anastasia

    Right, and Biden figured prominantly in what happened in the Ukraine that caused the 2016/17/18 Russia hoax.

    IMPEACH BIDEN
    (Yes, it’s a real thing.)

  175. Malacaay says:
    @AnonFromTN

    What are you fantasizing about, Russo trash? Stealing Ukraine? Want more of their land and sea, hmm? Tatar scum doesn’t even hide their thieving intentions.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  176. Malacaay says:

    You know all of this Italianos caused. I think it’s high time to enslave Italianos and sell them to the highest bidder. Our ancestors yearn for justice, as does all of Europe and beyond as well. We’ll see whom Italic trash will be conquering and enslaving. O yea. Ethiopians cut their balls and fed them with it. Nobody ever saw Italianos returning. They run away like they witnessed arrival of Lucifer himself. Such timid kind. They are feminine animals. Everything feminine is per se worthy of contempt. Besides they don’t even look European. They hate Europeans. Passionately. They are just too timid kind to admit it. Or honest and honorable. O yea, it’s all Italianos fault. All of it. Our ancestors compel us to take revenge on this despicable kind. Even from the river of souls they are calling for their blood.

  177. Malacaay says:
    @AP

    Illuminatis are the Knights Templars you Ukrop clown. You are obviously on the payroll of some NGO, muddling the water, distracting and denying as ever. Illuminatis is how the Templars were called many centuries before in the land of Aragon. Things, beings and everything else in this world have many a name. Have you heard about the Whore of Babylon? Her name was Semiramis. She was real and the Bible also spoke of her. She was wife of emperor Nimrod, the builder of Tower of Babel. She was also called Easter/Ishtar. In Persia she was known as Astarte, in Mediterranean Venus or Aphrodite, Celts called her Ostara and so on. That’s just an example of a single person carrying many names depending on people or culture her cult transplanted her to. Slavs are such dull kind. I find Slavic feminine nature to be most displeasing. What does a Slav know but to whore itself.

  178. Malacaay says:
    @AP

    In case you (and by “you” I mean your kind generally) still haven’t noticed, licking fake amero trash nuts and balls is not something you should ever think about, let alone do. Amero trash together with Russo scum is working together to destroy, rip apart and dismantle Ukraine as much as possible. Fake amero is just a golem though: mindless, simple and extremely stupid. That Tempar order you (again, your entire kind) should hate with every fiber of your being, the same as Tatars. But you don’t know how to hate, do you? Only those with indomitable will can hate. Animals cannot hate. Animals just react and do what is in the instinct of their cells to do. That’s why Slavs have always been slaves. Slaves have feminine nature which compels them to obey. Slaves are animals, and even though they work on 2 legs instead of 4, they are no better than any four-legged animal.

  179. Arioch says:

    (RUS) http://geoenergetics.ru/2019/10/08/ukrainskij-gazovyj-tranzit-ostavsheesya-okno-vozmozhnostej/

    Precious! After all those years Ukraine tried to force Gazprom to prolong transportation contracts, including in western Courts, now it is EUROCOMMISSION that plays their 3rd Energy Package card, but how!

    After Zelensky so daringly kissed up to Trump and talk dirt about Merkel and Macron – EC says the prolongation of Gazprom-NaftaGaz contract is “not legally possible” and that Ukraine has to kill and “unbundle” NaftaGaz, and when they done – only then the new pipes-only company would be free to try negotiate a new unrelated contract for gas transportation.

    The Holy Grail of Ukrainian foreign economics is dead, backstabbed by EU.
    What a fine present to President Ze :-DDDD

  180. @Ozymandias

    Depends on whether the chosenites approve of him. They own the media bullhorns. Unless of course it’s all a process of kabuki to keep the electorates head spinning while they lock the deal down.

  181. @Malacaay

    I will follow the first rule of psychiatry: never argue with a patient

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  182. @AnonFromTN

    There is still the reason. Majority of Ukrainians are actually Russian.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  183. Ukraine suffers from old multiculturalism that happened because of action of Stalin.
    Stalin stole large areas from Poland Slovakia Hungary and Romania.
    Ukraine is now a new Babylon.
    In every case now when England is leaving EU. The all burden of economic support of Eastern European states is falling on shoulders of Germany and France. (The France is already rebelling through Yellow vests.)
    No wander the Europeans were not not too much into supporting Maidan.
    Only US intelligence idiots were dreaming about Ukraine Russian war where Ukraine with a little US help would destroy Russia. (Talking about wet dreams.) On some websites there were military expert opinions and evaluations of Ukraine and Russian military power, indicating that there is reasonable parity. (So much for intelligence of US intelligence community.)
    EU does not need another Eastern European country to support. And also US will not extend any support to Ukraine except gyving them weapons, still dreaming about Ukraine Russia war.
    So Ukraine is only burden to those who support it and I do not think that there will be many volunteers.
    Ukraine is capable of exporting now only agricultural goods, and is only competition for other Eastern European countries. Maybe Ukraine can export coal to England where many people are freezing to dead in winter.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  184. What no one will tell the American people is the whole FISA Court scheme is a scam. The NSA and other spy organizations pick up “raw” data (including phone calls) and store it as “raw” data. It can be searched as “raw” data and that’s exactly what the Obama criminals were doing. Then, if they found something they wanted to use, they would go to a FISA Court and PRETEND to unmask it; but you can NOT UNMASK “raw” data that was NOT masked to start with. So, in the end, the idea the American people’s data is protected is pure hogwash. It’s all there and Obama made it available to 17 different agencies to enhance his spying capacity. It’s time this FISA FRAUD is exposed and all of them arrested, including Obama. In truth, under Obama, the USA was reduced to a CIA controlled “police” state. Google RAW SIGINT for more info.

    Therefore, the odds are close to 100% the CIA (NSA) has the actual Trump telephone conversation and, like Watergate, will “roll out” (if they dare) the actual conversation and claim President Trump needs to be impeached for LYING about the contents of the telephone call.

    In truth, it is WE THE PEOPLE VS THE CIA and the CIA will kill President Trump to win.

  185. @Ozymandias

    A dictator arising in the banana republic that is the US would most likely be from an Intelligence Agency, such as Brennan. The MSM clearly worships such authority, which is why we have had an evidence-free coup in motion since 2016. Elections no longer are even pretended to matter.

  186. @TellTheTruth-2

    The bigger issue which no one in the MSM wants to touch is Crowdstrike. Supposedly Crowdstrike “made its reputation’ by showing that the Russians hacked the Ukraine artillery, then later found the same type of evidence that the Russians hacked the DNC. Although it turned out that there was no Russian hack of the Ukrainian artillery, and likely no Russian hack of the DNC. There is a reason the 17 Intelligence Agencies have never showed any evidence; Crowdstrike and New Knowledge seem to be “the Russians”.

    • Replies: @anon
  187. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael888

    Exactly, thank you. The MSM won’t mention that Trump asked Zelinsky about “the server” … which may refer to the Ukrainian server used to hack into (something) … or to Crowdstrike’s possession of Clinton server… or what?

    Biden was deeply involved in 2014 coup in Kiev … much bigger story than nepotism/Hunter.

  188. Malacaay says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Took you days to come up with such pathetic reply, Russky. When without arguments, it’s better not to show impotence. You end up even more pathetic than before.

  189. Malacaay says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    No, Ukranians are real Russians. But you fake Russos are not. You are Tatars who speak Slavic Russian language. If you don’t look like Slavs or Nordics who created the Rus nation, then you couldn’t possibly be Russian. Majority of Russos are not of Slavic or Nordic look, thus no Russians. They just speak Russian language and have Slavic names. That’s all. All this means you are fake Russians, just like Europeans or Africans are fake Americans. Your very genes that governs every aspect of your existence, including appereance, disqualifies you from being Russians. You are impostors stealing from Ukranians their heritage. You are a gang of thieves, thugs and murderers. No wonder all Slavs don’t like you, even fellow Orthodox ones It’s really not hard to see why. Such fakes. But that’s not even the worse. You have no respect for you ancestors.

  190. Malacaay says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Those are all lands of Slavic people. Whether Slav call himself Ukranian or Polak, it makes no difference for both are Slavic people and those are Slavic lands. Difference only exists on cultural and historical grounds. Ukranians are using their own Slavic resources, whereas you nomadic Tatars are extracting and leeching on the resources of countless people trapped in Russian Federation (over 130 or something like that officially, counting those Russos have colonized and who refer to themselves as Russians even though they are not and couldn’t possibly be so). That is the difference between real Russians – Ukranians, and you fake ones – Tatars. Ukranians are using their Slavic resources while you are plundering countless people whose lands you took over. You are just like that fake anglicized filth (you know the ones who call themselves “americans”). Thieves, plunderers and murderers. That’s what you are.

    And don’t worry about Ukranian land. It’s the most fertile land in the world. No amount of gold can buy it, let alone paper or digital currency units (1s and 0s). But how are you Tatars so adamant on staling their land. You know, Ukranians hate you, for stealing their land would insure that for sure. Polaks don’t like you either. It appears Slavs don’t like you at all. And those Baltic people… they hate you too (I found it despicable that you would try to colonize those little Baltic people by planting Russos there in large numeros, yet simultaneously being so passionately against taking large Chinese, Korean or Japanese population in the Far East, for you know the numbers too: hundred times more numerous than poor Balts, but over 10 times less numerous than east Asians who live just south of a bordering river; so you would take from the poor Balts and guard what you have taken from the East Asians; what do you do when you earn hatred for you disgusting deeds, hmm?). Truth is you are only liked among nomads who share common cultural, religious and historical attributes with you, like your good nomadic friends Iranian Serbois. They too adopted Slavic language and culture. Forget about taking over their lands or colonizing their people and return that what you have stolen.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  191. @Malacaay

    I have dealt with this matter very long time ago. You double click my name and you will find it
    if you want to educate yourself. I do not like to repeat myself.

    p,s, If you are Ukrainian Russian why you are giving yourself Hungarian name? (Just asking.)

  192. Malacaay says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Either you have arguments or you don’t (which you obviously don’t, else you wouldn’t embark on that evading, eluding, deluding path just like your fellow countryman I had addressed before you had had). You know perfectly well that I am no Ukranian or Russian. I remember educating your ignorance and rectifying your senselessness before (and I am sure anyone can find the proofs of it should he wish so by going through the articles I posted on). My avatar’s name comes from a character in a SF genre who discovered secrets of life. There is no names like this one in Hungarian culture or among Hungarian people I am sure, just as I am sure you have no idea what you are talking about… again.

    The truth is that you are Tatars and the ones with whom you share behavioral attributes are your fellow nomads, not the Slavs who don’t like you… who you could even say hate you (certainly so in the case of Polaks and Ukranians who are primal Slavs; and even those Balts who are very much connected with primal Slavs and share common behavioral norms also: with none of them you behaviorally correspond well; only with your fellow nomads and with liberal subhuman waste of the fake “westerners” you correspond well because of your disgusting behavioral characteristics. Have you never asked yourself why those primal Slavs like Polaks and Ukranians and even Balts do not like you… organically you could say? I have. The answer is simple, as do all genuine answers of worth ought to be. I just explained it to you.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  193. Robjil says:
    @Malacaay

    Baltics, Ukrainians and Poles were part of the Polish Kingdom from 1025-1569 and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 1569-1764.

    This probably explains their differences with Russia.

    Russia had this area in the Russian Empire from 1764-1917. Russia called this area the Pale of Settlement. Why? This Polish Kingdom since 1025 welcomed 25000 Jews in, who later grew to millions by the 19th century. They are the Ashkenazis who are all over the world these days. The name Pale was for Ashkenazis to stay in that area and not immigrate to the rest of Russia.

    The reasoning for this was not religious prejudice but the way the Ashkenazis treated the peasants of the Pale. It was to protect the Russian peasants. This did not help after 1917. A huge invasion of Ashkenazis descended all over Russia to take up positions all over the Soviet Union.

    Ukraine US is like the Pale again. It has a Jewish President and a Jewish Prime Minister.

    Ukraine and Poland were both controlled by Tartars too. Ukraine longer than Russia. Russia ended the Tartar rule of Crimea in 1783. The Crimean Tartars lived off raiding Ukraine, Poland, and parts of Russia for Slav slaves. Russia ended this Slav slave trade in 1783.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  194. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ilyana,

    LOLLLL. Malaka is an Illyrian, and very serious about it. He often pops up to insult others who are not as well versed about their heritage as he is. A blast from the past, as they say.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  195. Malacaay says:
    @Robjil

    Were we talking about states? No. Why are you jumping into conversation for which you are evidently lacking intelligence to meaningfully engage? The way imperial state is in relation with various people and their lands is the matter of the greatest importance for the life of the state and its people which is tasked to protect, guard, guide and watch over their well-being. State is organization. How it is organized is determined by its ruler(s). There were great rulers of old who made their states to last forever — i.e. to be able to forever stand on its own from the inside, which means it was only vulnerable from the outside (not counting quality of rulers at any given time of course).

    But speaking of states, neither Balts (those 3 Baltic people and their lands), Ukranians or Polaks would never see, regard or accept Moscow as their capital, and they never have. Balts and Ukranians have been part of USSR, but they never saw or acknowledged Moscow as their capital and will never accept Moscow as their capital (and those Muslimo states in central Asia too for that matter). Polaks haven’t been part of USSR, but they hated Moscow just as much as Ukranians and Balts did. Lands westward of Ukranian-Russian border will never accept Russo-Tatar authority or dominion. Russos can only rule themselves (and lands they occupied and took from those who weren’t able to defend themselves, but there too a spark could ignite which could change dynamic and render rule of Russos and their capital no longer acceptable for the conquered: the truth is, Russo capital is just a provincial center of Russos, and it doesn’t even have the authority or desirability to command Russian people: those western Russians would never acknowledge it as their capital let alone anyone else, i.e. not Russian). There is only one city today whose fame, significance, character, history and majesty in the past would allow it to rule not only all lands in Europe, but other lands (including overseas ones) and Russian ones also. It’s Constantine’s city. Constantinople has the fame, history and grandeur, alongside being open for the designated imperial culture and language to be imprinted on it, to be the imperial capital. It even has the authority to be the capital and rule all Caucasian Christian people, their cultures and realms. Constantinople and Rome are the only capitals whose history and fame can made into our imperial capital, and since Rome is Italian capital, populated with Italians with Italian culture and language, it cannot serve as common capital. But Roman culture can. It seems like Constantine knew what he was doing when he put the capital of the Roman Imperium in the strategic center of Eurasian and African landmass.

  196. @Commentator Mike

    Well?
    Even Wikipedia is telling us that all Illirians are dead now so how Malakaay can by Illyrian.
    The great reaper somehow did miss him?

  197. Ilyana,

    He is amusing. Still living in the past. Very Byzantine outlook in his last post. He’ll need the Russians though if he intends to retake Constantinople. But the way it’s going even the Italians could end up losing Rome to Muslims and Africans. He should take up writing historical novels or alternative histories.

    I was going to say that he maybe a remnant of the 19th Century Illyrian movement in Croatia, but since he hates Slavs so much and calls them dogs, that can’t be it either. Must be a genuine old timer – or at least he thinks so. You are what you think I guess. If his psychiatrist agrees who are we to argue?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_movement

    Still his presence here could be a sort of warning to all whites. We could all become Illyrians if we’re not careful – just entries in some future version of wikepedia as long gone tribes.

  198. Malacaay says:

    You clowns are wrong on every aspect of your blather. How could we be “dead” if we are very alive. We have Slavic culture but that doesn’t make us dead. Culture is variable. It’s worthless unless it disciplines its members to follow its code, which fake amero one doesn’t. Amero degenerates are anti-culture crowd just like they are anti-intelligence. They don’t even have their own language, yet they speak of some culture. Ha. At least we have our own very distinctive language. But nobody gives a shit about some foreign degenerates implanting some degenerate norms or support some foul behavior, like fake “western” trash has been doing following their Italic masters social engineering directions, instructions and regulations. I never called Slavs dogs, dog, I referred to Slavs as slaves. Russos are no Slavs. Noone can be something which his very physical attributes and appearance bars him/her from it. Just common sense. Basic logic even 6 year old children instinctively know. Not these dogs though. Following your parasitic masters directives has obviously led you on anti-evolutionary path against the Nature. You are abominations. Utter scum in other words.

    As for Byzantium, dog again you display your utter ignorance. Let me offer you a quick history tour, you half-witted ignoramus. Byzantium is the name of a city Greek colonists founded in 657 BC expending further into Thracian land. Thracians unfortunately weren’t able to drive them off, but the land on which Byzantium was founded on is Thracian. That has always been Thracian land. Not Persian/Iranian. Not Turkish. Not Greek. Comprendo, you dim-witted ignoramus? Then Constantine came and made it his city. It was no longer Greek Byzantium, but Constantine’s city… Constantinople. And when you hear the imperium of Constantinople referred to as Byzantium, it refers to culture it later had, which was Greek. That’s what the Vatican instructed moronic fake westerners like yourself to call eastern imperium, because “Constaine donated them the western imperium,” and they even had “donation of Constantine” to prove it. Byzantium kept our southern borders safe from the invading Muslimo hordes for 8 centuries. When the Muslimo hordes went on the onslaught after the death of Muhammad they managed to reach Tours in France just outside the outskirts of Paris via northern Africa and Hispania, but Byzantium kept in check those hordes of Muslimos when they were the strongest and most deadly. But after Vatican found you western European imbeciles to do their filthy deeds, we now have Turko dogs from central Asia polluting one of the most sacred places of all humanity. Do you clown know that civilizations there go back to the last Ice Age, or some c. 11-12 thousand years ago, hmm?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

    Do you clowns know that the very language we are communicating on possibly comes from the Hittites? Hittite language sounds a lot like English when you hear their words. You must have heard of Troy just on the other side across the narrow sea from Constantinople. Have you heard of ancient Lydia and her famous king Croesus? These indigenous cultures and people from Anatolia do not belong to Asia, they belong to us. They do not deserve to be polluted and besmirches by Turkish central Asians or Persian southern Asians.

    The truth is all our problems come from the Vatican. Vatican and their 13 papal bloodlines are the source of all the world’s problems. We didn’t have Muslimos here before Vatican helped to wreck Byzantium and opened the gates to Turks into Europe. Who controls you now have you asked yourself? Vatican bloodlines do. Russia, Turks, degenerate land of Murica, all of Europa… it’s all controlled by the Vatican. Murica even parades with Latin inscriptions on its state emblems and using Roman symbols on the federal state insignia even though it shares no historical or otherwise connection with the Rome. The truth is that it’s Vatican which has wrecked this part of world and is now in the process of wrecking yours. Have you ever asked yourselves why have you allowed yourselves to be ruled by Bishops of Rome when Constantine himself put that Bishop of Rome on the same status and rang as all the other bishops, hmm? And clown, I didn’t put Constantinople as Byzantium. Constantine was of Roman culture, so his city should be too. If I had put Byzantium instead of Constantinople it would have been outlining Greek culture. The city of Constantine stands on Thracian land. I don’t expect you to understand these nuances, but I am explaining it for the others who might read it. As for Russia helping, I wouldn’t bet on it. Russia is controlled by Knights of Malta and these are in Vatican’s bloodlines control. Turkey too is controlled by these. “Hürriyet, müsavat, uhuvvet” is the motto of the “Turks” from the “revolution.” Translated it means “liberty, equality, fraternity” an infamous motto from the French “revolution.” Russian revolution had the similar one also. It’s the Vatican’s world order and util it remains, nothing changes.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  199. @Malacaay

    Thanks for the history lesson but not for the insults. Seems you got it in for everybody. Yeah I agree they all have their shortcomings but Illyrians? What makes them any better than anyone else? I may not have got everything right but neither have you. Slav has nothing to do with slaves, Slav comes from Slava or glory. Byzantium actually is a just a word for the Eastern Roman Empire. You’re getting worked up over some long gone past … just go fishing or take a hike in your mountains. It’s all so irrelevant. Bigger minds than yours wanted to get something done and failed – the world went in a different direction – what to do? – people wouldn’t listen.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  200. JR says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “Reannexation” happens to be far too much associated with NAZI Germany’s annexation of Sudetenland. Annexation tends to be associated with involuntary and forced one way or the other.

    If a newly elected parliament of Crimea requests reincorporation into Russia and Russia grants that that is no annexation.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  201. Malacaay says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Clown, you are extremely dull creature alongside being elementally ignorant about nature of things or even basics of history. You would make a good Slav, if you are not one already. You do resemble a Slav. Dull. Ignorant. Stupid. If somebody told you that they do not want to have anything to do with Slavics or Slavicism, you would do well to listen to them. We don’t belong to those filthy northern realms, and we won’t tolerate northern colonization. Not Slavs, not Germanics, not Italics, not Turkish, not Persian. Illyrians is who we are, dog. And it’s our land, our domain, not some Slavic northern filth. Remember that dog. Our culture is Slavic and that’s all. Nothing more.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  202. @Johnny Walker Read

    The level of mouth-frothing insanity is unprecedented.
    What if it is because not only are careers at stake but, quite possibly, lives are at stake?
    What if evidence existed that illustrates the level of greed had led to commission of treason? (Reference to treason: Graham questions Kavanaugh during Senate hearings re: Treason, military tribunals, death penalty)
    I have reason to believe such evidence exists and will come out. I have been watching very carefully. Hillary’s use of a private server was to sell tickets to U.S. intelligence. The Chinese and others bought access to it.
    What if this behaviour could be proven? What if other people were doing similar acts?

    I think we are in a period that is Unprecedented; the level of corruption and it’s exposure is driving the behavior we are seeing.
    The desperation will increase and the screaming will get louder.

  203. @Malacaay

    May I ask the question?
    How many Illyrians are there?
    Please name cities that used to Illyrians
    Are you of pure Illyrian blood? Did you have a genetic test?

  204. Santurron says:
    @Ron Unz

    Cohen is a disgusting Putin apologist. To hell with him.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  205. Santurron says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Cohen is a pathetic Putin apologist who will support any two bit dictator that gives the US the finger. The guy was in love with the old Soviet Union, and has transferred his twisted affection to Putin.

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
  206. Dan Hayes says:
    @Santurron

    Santurron:

    Putin needs no apologizing from Cohen or anyone else!

  207. Robjil says:
    @JR

    East Germany was re-annexated to West Germany.

    This is same situation.

    East Germany as an entity does not exist.

    West Germany went on like it just swallowed East Germany, like nothing happened.

    Crimeans wanted to go back to Russia.

    People should be free to may choices.

    Sudetenland was German. So, it was not bad thing for Sudetenland to join Germany.

    Sudetenland was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire for centuries.

    It was only part of Czechoslovakia in the inner war period.

    Therefore, it was not a “great” sin that Sudetenland wanted to be part of Germany.

    Germany was doing good in that time. It had a money system outside our Rothchild system.

    This outside money system is what the Rothchild lands- Britain and US – really “hated” about National Socialist Germany. The other “hates” about NS Germany are BS.

    Nuland revived Neo-Nazism to take over Ukraine. She didn’t revive the National Socialist Money System for her ZUS overseas territory of Ukraine. That is something she is terrified about. The “racial” theories don’t scare Nuland and company so much. It is good coup material. It was used in the 1990s to break up Yugoslavia too.

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