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Previously on SBPDL: Did Gary Martin, the Black Mass Shooter in Aurora, Target Whites (Four of Five Dead Are White Males)?

Earlier this year, there was a mass shooting by a black male in Illinois. Gary Martin killed five people, four of them white, after he was fired from his place of employment.

This story was in the national news for about a day, then disappeared. A black mass shooter just doesn’t provide the necessary racial angle our corporate media demands when they declare war on the 2nd Amendment.

The New York Times, in a shocking moment of credulity, admitted 75 percent of mass shooters in America are black. [A Drumbeat of Multiple Shootings, but America Isn’t Listening: Most shootings with four deaths or injuries are invisible outside their communities. And most of the lives they scar are black., New York Times, 5-23-16]

DeWayne Craddock, the Virginia Beach mass shooter. He murdered 12 people, nine of them white…


It’s with this knowledge, we explore the story of DeWayne Craddock – the black mass shooter in Virginia Beach – who killed 12 people, nine of them white. [These are the 12 victims of the Virginia Beach mass shooting. Here are their stories., Virginia Pilot, June 1, 2019]:


It was an hour before quitting time, as workers were preparing to head home for the weekend, when a gunman stormed into the city’s public works building late Friday afternoon and began firing.

By the time it was over, 12 people were dead and four were seriously wounded. The first officers on the scene engaged in a gun battle with the shooter and killed him. One officer was struck but was saved by his bulletproof vest.

Police and other emergency personnel found victims on all three floors of the building. They worked through the night to identify them and notify family members.

The latest black mass shooting has already departed from the national dialogue, because no one wants to acknowledge the nine dead white people (out of 12). [DeWayne Craddock was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting: report, NY Post, June 2, 2019]:

The gunman who shot dead 12 people at a Virginia Beach municipal building had been facing disciplinary action for a violent fight at work, according to a report.

DeWayne Craddock, 40, was still employed as an engineer with the Department of Public Utilities when he went on his shooting rampage Friday, killing 12 and injuring several others, including a cop.

But he recently started showing serious behavioral problems and got into physical “scuffles” with other city workers, a source told The New York Times.

The source told the paper that the troubles had escalated in the week leading up to the mass shooting — and Craddock was involved in what it called “a violent altercation on city grounds.”

Craddock reportedly knew he was facing disciplinary action for the fight when he went into the municipal building with two .45-caliber handguns, at least one of which was equipped with a sound suppressor — and both of which were purchased legally.

Her name is Tara Welch Gallagher.

Her name is Mary Louise Gayle.

His name is Alexander Mikhail Gusev.

Her name is Katherine A. Nixon.

His name is Richard H. Nettleton.

His name is Christopher Kelly Rapp.

Her name is Michelle “Missy” Langer.

His name is Robert “Bobby” Williams.

His name is Herbert “Bert” Snelling.

There stories will never be told, save among family and friends who remember them as they lived.

We will remember how they died, all white people murdered by a black male in yet another black mass shooting. And remember, as the NY Times noted, 75 percent of mass shooters in the USA are black.



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  1. Is this verified?? Two legal handguns? A tax-stamped, legal suppressor? I find it incredible that a black man legally owned such things.

    This will be the new call; an end to legal suppressors. I can’t recall any story ever of a legal suppressor used in a crime.

    Sorry, I’m a little out of the loop. Drove from Seattle to Portland yesterday. Spent the day in the mountains. Heard nothing of this till now.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    , @Father O'Hara
  2. Harry C says:

    I’m sure he was a solid engineer.

    • Replies: @Realist
  3. The anti-gun crusaders are rapidly recognizing that black criminality is both an ideal foundation onto which they build their argument, and yet the most significant cross-political rationale behind opposition to any further restrictions of private firearms ownership. The law abiding don’t want to be left defenseless against a rising tide of black crime. We can’t ALL move to whites-only small town U.S.A.

    Big Pharma won’t allow any potential connection between anti-depressive, anexiety, SSRIs, or similar drugs and sue to block any information release that may make them culpable.

    Just like Popoff ministries preys upon the ignorance of black miracle seekers, so does the “disarm the law abiding” crowd and their equalization of peril.

    At no time in the mainstream media was it noted that the shooting location was a gun-free Zone. That didn’t stop him, but it did anyone else from carrying. Nor have they discussed his status as a registered Democrat.

    I bought a bible case, and a bible. I then traced the outline of a compact 40 cal on thick sheet cardboard. I clamped the sheet to a bench with wood clamps and carefully cut out the profile. I then glued the pages together, leaving the top couple hundred readable. It quickly opens to pull the pistol, it looks like a bible case, with a nice surprise. No magnetometers, yet. If we do, I’ll come up with another means. I’d rather be fired than have my family bury me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous0619
  4. It’s been 2 days since the Virginia shooter and they are not posting a photo of him on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC or CBS news sites.

    I had to go 30 minutes into an 90 minute ABC video to see him. Or I had to go to rare news sites like this that I have never head of before.

    Now if he was white his photo would be posted all over the planet by now and politicians would be screaming for gun control.

  5. I’ve been asking all of my white friends if they knew the shooter was black.

    Not one person knew.

    • Replies: @Glock45
  6. Loren says:

    off topic…race 2 dinner makes online mag–NONWHITE WOMEN INVITE WHITE WOMEN TO ATTEND DINNERS WHERE THEY WILL BE VERBALLY ABUSED.Regina Jackson and Saira Rao are two Women of Color who have absolutely had it up to HERE with white women and their unearned privilege.

    To make themselves feel better and white women feel worse about whiteness, they have started a program called “Race 2 Dinner” where white women attend dinner—and presumably pay for everyone—while the two colored ladies guilt-trip them into brokenness and, hopefully, a deep and everlasting bout of self-hatred:

    Dear white women, you have caused immeasurable pain and damage to Brown and Black women. We are here to sit down with you to candidly explain how you caused this pain and damage.

    We are not here to change anything. We are here to express the pain you have caused, white women. What you do after you leave the dinner is up to you. WE don’t care about your feelings. SIT WITH THAT FOR A MINUTE. Your feelings pale in comparison to the violence you have caused Black and Brown women.Would it be wrong to wish that any white woman who shows up for this nonsense would choke to death on a chicken bone?–takis

  7. Loren says:

    Was he yet one more lovell mixon type?
    A diversity hire that was in trouble for not doing the job and retaliated against everyone he worked with because he could not keep up???? HUH?

  8. Loren says:


  9. Insufficient data.

    From what I gather he was on steroids and quite probably SSRIs
    (shit, they are prescribing them like cold medicine).
    – Was his ex-wife a trophy blonde (hunch)?
    – What were the victims´positions in the hierarchy?
    (“unavailable due to legal reasons”)
    – What exactly does a “NON-violent” fight look like?
    Some degree of racial animus informs most everything they do – and Public Utilities tend to be overwhelmingly black.
    Still … he comes over more as a “talented tenth” (Booker T. was famous for his optimism) than as the run-of-the-mill black miscreant, and the case as a near-classic “extended suicide” (Steve Sailer just renamed it). Rare among blacks.

    • Replies: @Noman
  10. MarkU says:

    I’m not clear on why the author has chosen to present this particular incident as race related. The breakdown of the victims races and genders appears to be entirely consistent with the makeup of the general population at large. There is every reason to believe that the story is simply that of a disgruntled employee who had evidently gone mental, taking it out on his fellow workers. He appears to have been entirely colour (and gender) blind in his choice of victims. The black victims should have not have been left off of the list, that was somewhat small minded in my view.

    Personally I think it is an error to use every incident as evidence for your ones own personal thesis, its not as if there is an insufficiency of material out there.

    I fully expect to get flamed for making this post btw. I fully sympathise with those who object to being howled and screeched down by SJW types when attempting to make a rational point but there is little evidence that their opponents are any better in this regard. The degree of polarisation is now so extreme that rational debate is rapidly becoming impossible.

  11. Luludog says:

    Not sure how he got his hands on a sound suppressor since most states require a special license to purchase.

  12. When the killer is anyone but a straight White male, The Nose shuts media down post haste.

    Craddock, whose picture was harder to find than Bigfoot’s, has barely lasted longer than the transweirdo school shooter, and that’s only due to the larger loss of life.

    • Agree: Anonymous0619
  13. @MarkU

    Whether or not your conclusion is right, one salient point is that the news media is collectively refusing to identify him as a black man. The coverage of his crime is definitely race related.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  14. @MarkU

    Blacks “solving” problems with violence is actually mundane and expected.

    The outrage here is directed at (((fakenews))) which conceals the race of non-White criminals if at all possible, but slaps Whites on the front page for the slightest perceived indiscretion.

    Murderous Negro who shouts,”Kill Whitey!” = “We may never know the killer’s motive.”

    Standing and smiling Covington White kid in MAGA hat = “OMG it’s Hitler reincarnated!”

    That dog won’t hunt in Current Year.

    • Agree: Anonymous0619, Augustus
    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @Augustus
  15. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Because, Mark, this story of mass killing(although you wouldn’t know it by the reporting) actually fits a distinct pattern for those of us that can see.

    There have been many stories of blacks who were either getting reprimanded at work for poor performance or else were recently fired from their jobs who then come back and kill a bunch of their former employees. In most of these cases, the murderer recounts how his co-workers were “racist” in some way either on social media, notes, or calls to friends/family. In these cases, there might be some collateral damage (because after all, these are enraged shooters on a killing spree and in this case Virginia Beach has a decent-sized black population), but they went in looking to kill whites. Of course, if their own words are somehow made known to the public, like in this case of a black who told his family he “killed the racists” after shooting up the brewery he worked for in 2008 ( or in the case of the black guy who shot the reporter and cameraman live on air in Virginia a few years back and claimed the reporter made racist comments (, the media turns the stories around and basically asks if the slain indeed deserved to die for what the murderer only made accusations of.

    VDare has a whole file documenting these so-called “disgruntled minority massacres” going back over a decade (, of which this Virginia Beach incident fits the pattern. In this case, no one has dredged up any message from the murderer about his goals (to kill whites), so the media doesn’t have to spin them away, and thus can continue to avoid mentioning his race as long as possible. In most of these other cases, the murderers made their racist motives known early on, and instead of hiding their race, the job of the media was turning the racism of the shooter on end and pin it on the victims.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  16. @Loren

    I’m gonna book at least two dinners a day under the name of white women murdered by blacks…until the site goes down (or I get bored). 😁

    • Replies: @The OverSeer
  17. @MarkU

    Actually I had the same idea (kind of)
    (Besides, what kind of ogres has your teacher told you that we are? 😀 )

    This was a black (duh!) swan event – he was acting White (duh!) – he resigned per e-mail before he started shooting; anyone ever heard of BiCurious doing that?
    But enough of the off-color (duh!) OK, i give up.

    I agree this is not our standard fare – as I already explained.
    And it is most certainly not the kind of event we worry about.

    • Agree: MarkU
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  18. Glock45 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I’ve been asking all of my white friends if they knew the shooter was black.

    Not one person knew.

    Yep. I am willing to bet that they all assumed the shooter was white, because that’s what they’ve been (((programmed))) into believing. The MSM’s refusal to show Craddock’s picture (but the zeal and glee with which they would have had he been white) only continues to reinforce The Narrative.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @PO'd in PG County
  19. @nokangaroos

    If the “disgruntled minority shooter” pattern holds, this IS relevant.

  20. @MarkU

    “I fully expect to get flamed for making this post btw.”

    They have a term for purposely posting things to cause a negative reaction: trolling.

    I’m assuming you are not a regular reader of this site then? Perhaps this community is not a good “fit” for you if you’re not a race realist/pro-White.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  21. @Luludog

    Suppressors are quite popular these days. Many shooters are beginning to see them as desirable safety equipment. I’ve got two of my own.

    They are regulated at the Federal level, requiring a special tax stamp that can take up to a year to get approved. Who knows? He might have actually owned one legally. Although owners of NFA restricted firearms and devices tend to be amongst the most law abiding of gun owners. They also tend to be quite expensive due to the limited pool of owners. Also I have seen very few blacks who owned legal NFA items. A machine gun shoot is an extremely White event for example. So perhaps not…

    That all being said, they are not hard to manufacture illegally and the instructions as to how to do so are easy to find online. (Don’t do it, unless ten years in Federal prison sounds fun) He was a criminal after all. So that might be it.

  22. @MarkU

    Concern Troll is concerned… 😟😦😧

  23. MarkU says:
    @Twodees Partain

    The coverage of his crime is definitely race related.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
  24. @Jim in Jersey

    Lies and damned lies.

    So. What? about the sound suppressor. On a 45, that means it just made the gun deafeningly loud instead of ear-splitingly loud. I never cease to be amazed at the low-IQ morons who “do the news.” I figure they’re all sodomites given that they don’t know one hole from another…

    It’s beyond obvious that the goal of including that tidbit is to enhance the “Oh NOOOO’s” of the Narrative.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  25. @Luludog

    The inclusion of this tidbit is all about an anti-gun Narrative, because in reality a suppressor on a 45 doesn’t render the gun all that quiet. About the only firearm that is rendered quiet enough with a good suppressor to skip hearing protection is a 22 long rifle. Even then, people with sensitive hearing would find it unpleasant, especially in enclosed spaces. 85-90 decibels is still very loud. A 45 with a commercial suppressor would be in the 120+ db range, still well into OSHA’s “exposure causes permanent hearing loss” zone.

    Media people (reporters) are indescribably ignorant about these things, so essentially everything they write is just propaganda for their Narrative. Use of (legal or illegal) suppressors in crime is unbelievably rare; If it wasn’t, however, no doubt we’d be treated to some new phrase intended to sway the opinions of morons and the ignorant.

    The anti-gunners are aware that pro-gun factions want to remove the federal restrictions on sound suppressors, and for good reason: even with the best hearing protection, guns are so loud that their use slowly erodes the hearing of those who shoot fairly frequently. A suppressor lowers the sound pressure enough that, by STILL USING HEARING PROTECTORS (plugs or muffs) a shooter could eliminate hearing loss problems. Silencers (suppressors) should be sold over-the-counter if anyone cared about the hearing of those who own and use firearms for hunting and target practice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous0619
  26. @ShermanFan

    Good point. As strange as it may seem, rampant black criminality may have actually helped safeguard the 2nd Amendment. People more jealousy guard that which they desperately need. Without the ever-present negro crime wave, many whites may have forgotten how important the right to bear arms really is.

    The MSM can’t have it both ways. They can’t beat the drum for gun control by talking about how bad crime is without reminding the general public why they need guns to defend themselves. The best they can do is try to focus on the weapons and not the people wielding them. And of course, they obfuscate the race of the people committing the highest rate of gun crime…

  27. MarkU says:
    @Texas Alt-Right Gamer

    I am a regular reader of this site as it happens and I have been posting comments here for years. I like this site because it is one of the few remaining sites where some topics can even be discussed. I reject entirely your suggestion that I am deliberately trolling and also your suggestion that this site is, or should be, exclusively reserved for one side of any argument. What exactly are you going to achieve if you exclude (seemingly) dissenting comments? preaching to the already converted is notoriously unproductive. I just think that you will get your points across a lot better and will be more likely to influence the fence sitters if you keep it ‘clean’ yourselves.

  28. MarkU says:

    I agree that the coverage of the incident was distinctly biased but I still think it a mistake to shoe-horn every incident into the same narrative.

  29. It’s been 2 days since the Virginia shooter and they are not posting a photo of him on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC or CBS news sites.

    It’s actually a good sign that even Fox isn’t showing it. Really good sign in fact.

    Conservative Inc is worried about a backlash. Their globalist narrative is falling apart.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  30. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    We currently don’t have any stated or online motive for why he killed his coworkers.

    9 whites were killed (75%) and 3 blacks (25%). The racial makeup of Virginia Beach (just estimating from several sites) is about 65% white and 20% black. So there’s a point in trying to claim that there may have been no racial bias. That is, until you take into account all the similar type mass shootings committed by disgruntled black employees who did state they were out to kill white coworkers.

    So while he may have just shot everyone at work that particular time and day that he came across, we don’t know what happened. It’s not like blacks in other situations show remorse after shooting innocent blacks in drive-bys who got in the way of their intended targets. It’s also possible he gave his former black coworkers a chance to leave (like we’ve seen with other incidents, especially those involving Muslims), but those coworkers tried reasoning with him and he was in a rush to do what he came to do and didn’t have time for them. Perhaps he sought out those particular black workers to kill because he saw them as “Uncle Toms” for engaging in such white behaviors as showing up on time for work, not stealing from the office, not going over allotted break time, and doing a good job.

  31. @dc

    On a 45, that means it just made the gun deafeningly loud instead of ear-splitingly loud.

    Not for a 45 since the ammo is subsonic. It would actually be pretty quiet in this case.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  32. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    I think both of you are right about the sound suppressor.

    Jim in Jersey is correct to point out it would be unusual for a black to own a legal one. And that is exactly why it is included in these stories which don’t come with a picture or racial description of the murderer. To the average low info person, a suppressor is fancy military/spy tech which undoubtedly would be stockpiled by a white gun-loving prepper Trump supporter. The media can put the idea of “white gunman” into people’s heads by naming gun add-on gadgets or technical gun names. Just like with “bump stocks”, this “sound suppressor” (supposedly) used in this attack will be used to come for guns when the powers that be are assured no one realizes and/or forgets the killer was black.

    For all we know, the gun improvised something to suppress the sound, the media saw something to this extent in police reports, and seized upon it to create the idea that military-grade tech was used here.

  33. I just spent all morning trying to buy a Race2Dinner tee shirt or coffee mug. There was nothing listed on EBAY or Amazon. By buying a tee shirt or coffee mug I wanted to show my support for people who live miserable lives and express themselves through public suffering. It does a person no good to suffer alone when they can receive attention by doing it in public. The new cause in America is victimhood.

    I am also a big supporter of guilt ridden white women who find pleasure in being degraded, shamed and humiliated. There are too many people in America who live happy and fulfilling lives and something must be done to combat this horrible problem. It is now time for a WAR on happiness.

    I know I will never be invited to have dinner with these suffering black ladies, but if they show up in town I will gladly “support the struggle” by inviting them out for pizza or a nice fried chicken dinner.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Loren
  34. MarkU says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    I agree that you guys have very legitimate concerns about the media coverage of this type of incident generally. I agree that you are becoming the victims of anti-white racism and that it is the deliberate policy of the US/UK and other European deep states to marginalise and silence critics of that policy. I am from the UK and I have been following this topic for a long time now, it is of concern to me too because what happens in the US today happens in the UK tomorrow. I simply believe that since right is on your side in this matter generally that you should strive to keep it clean and objective. The case in question does not fit the pattern of low IQ, anti white racist violence and I consider it an error to try to shoe-horn it into that narrative, that was my only point.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Sick of Orcs
  35. Noman says:

    Another angle. Norfolk-Newport News is basically a massive military base. Another mass shooting near such a facility and by an individual who had served in the military.

    Does anyone, that you know and trust, personally know any of the victims?

    How do you know that this event really happened?

    American History is a record of hoaxes and false flags from the Protestant pilgrims to Russiagate.

    Autoloading rifles, high capacity magazines, bump stocks, suppressors, each gets their time in the news cycle.

    No time in the news cycle for daily Black on Black homicides with mostly illegal handguns, that kill more black males in any one decade than several decades of lynchings.

    • Replies: @D-FENS
    , @nokangaroos
  36. Anonymous[343] • Disclaimer says:

    Your paper or reporting is racist, probably dictated by the Democratic Party just to stir up trouble. Race has nothing to do with this horrific act. This person was probably a troubled soul, who should be prayed for not, used to stir up hate. Your reporters and this paper should go back under the slimy rock you crawled out of. GOD BLESS AMERICA! VOTE FOR TRUMP IN 2020. Get rid of this racism.

    • Replies: @AnalogMan
  37. Augustus says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    It’s a disgrace that dog EVER hunted. Common sense is rare anymore.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  38. @Jim in Jersey

    Go back to the mountains-and take me with you.

  39. For all we know, the gun improvised something to suppress the sound, the media saw something to this extent in police reports, and seized upon it to create the idea that military-grade tech was used here.

    He had no criminal record and probably filed the paperwork to get one. It really isn’t that hard to do.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  40. CENTURION says: • Website

    I am buying more ammo.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  41. @John Johnson

    Unless internet forums frequented by silencer owners are full of BS, no, you’re quite wrong.

    Most 45 ACP ammo is already subsonic. The lowest figure I’ve seen for a top-notch 45 cal suppressor is about 132 db, about the same as a jack-hammer and definitely AT the pain threshold for most people who aren’t already deaf. A chainsaw run up close is rated at 120 db. I don’t know of a single person who’d call that “pretty quiet.”

    Trivia aside, I concur with other comments regarding the trustworthiness of the entire report. Then again, if a black “engineer” jumped through the hoops to legally (or frankly, illegally) manufactured firearm suppressor, it’s just more evidence that blacks in general are getting hip to the Gun Culture. I see a lot more blacks (the subset who don’t have disqualifying felony or domestic violence convictions, that is) obtaining concealed carry permits.

    Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing depends on the long term…which is entirely unknown.

    Imagine if, due to disparate impact, blacks are deemed eligible to obtain gun permits even WITH a history of violence…

    Illinois’ democRAT run government just passed a raft of anti-gun-owner bills in direct response to a black guy who had an old felony conviction for assault, who still was able to obtain a FOID (gun card) and buy a gun, and who was flagged when he applied for a concealed carry permit. The cops failed to track him down, confiscate his FOID and check to see if he was still sitting on a gun he’d bought. They didn’t follow up when neighbors complained the guy was threatening, and a loon. Then the clown when on a killing rampage at an Aurora manufacturing firm.

    Already intrusive law fails. Cops fail. So what must we do? Hammer people who don’t commit crimes even harder. IL in action. Politicians are a subclass of human with zero familiarity with the term, non sequitur.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  42. @Loren

    Saira Rao’s husband runs two vulture capital firms. She’s a bigger leech on society than any Becky.

  43. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    If they hadn’t hired DeWayne they wouldn’t have had DeShooting.

    Though Wayne wasn’t his middle name, it was obviously how he rolled.

  44. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Billy Wayne “Crash” Craddock (born June 16, 1939) is an American country and rockabilly singer. He first gained popularity in Australia …

    DeWayne “Rash” Craddock (sadly not aborted) was an American engineer whose only engineering feat was something horribly wrong…

  45. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    But what about subsonic ammunition? Is that legal? You can modify rounds to take some of the propellant out and quieten the bullet. Subsonic ammunition is what makes the bullet quieter a suppressor must be combined with this to be effective.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    , @dc.sunsets
  46. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Because this guy was smarter than the average negro doesn’t mean a damned thing. That he was African-American is the point. Here is a man who was far more intelligent than I but instead of enjoying the life a licensed engineer would offer (challenging work for your community, prestige, a good salary, medical and retirement benefits) he apparently became violent and was on the way out of the company. He then killed a whole helluva lotta people.

    Those of us who grew up around more than a few token blacks (PG County, MD) aren’t ready to play intellectual and moral Mr. High Ground waiting for a sweet narrative to soothe my ears. The guy is a mass murdering mother who doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

    Your “wait and see” style might fit the timid, those doubtful of racial differences or moral high grounders who feel that prior convictions have nothing to do with current indictments or investigations. It seems like Human Resources needs less info than you to know this guy was a bad egg, through and through.

    You probably went to good schools but I didnt. I grew up surrounded and outnumbered by the brethren of blackness thanks to the treachery of many whites and the scheming of others. Get with the program and realize that some of us speak from experience. You think any minority wanted to wait on better info on James Huberty? Not!

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  47. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Here we go again with the latest entry in Victim Outrage Theater:

    A group of blacks rents an Airbnb apartment in Manhattan. The host is an Asian woman.

    The blacks were loud, playing music, and refused to quiet down when asked. After they refused to cooperate, she asked them to leave. At this point, they started lobbing all sorts of slurs at her. The exact details are unclear because her boyfriend’s social media post detailing the bad behavior of the blacks was scrubbed from the internet. Meanwhile, they refuse to leave, so she says she’s calling the cops.

    Black victim playbook kicks into action and they whip out their phones and start recording. The Asian woman makes the mortal mistake of calling one of them a “monkey” on camera, and now her life is in shambles, and whatever the blacks were doing before she uttered that word is irrelevant.

    The black “victims” are going on every media outlet they can and whining about how “dehumanized” they felt. Of course, it was their bad behavior, their own insulting language, and refusal to cooperate that made the woman snap and declare her racist self.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  48. Most 45 ACP ammo is already subsonic. The lowest figure I’ve seen for a top-notch 45 cal suppressor is about 132 db

    Yes there is no sonic boom and 132 isn’t much more than a balloon popping.

    So if you are down the hall in a noisy office you aren’t going to hear the crack of the bullet.

    9mm unsuppressed isn’t that loud from 100 yards away. A lot of people mistake it for firecrackers.

    So a suppressed 45 is going to be ignored in an office unless you are near it.

    • Disagree: dc.sunsets
  49. PK: “The New York Times, in a shocking moment of credulity, admitted 75 percent of mass shooters in America are black.”

    Credulity is a willingness to believe on insufficient evidence. I think “credibility” is the word you’re looking for here, not “credulity”.

    MarkU: “I’m not clear on why the author has chosen to present this particular incident as race related. ”

    Probably because everything about negroes is race-related, both in their own eyes and in the eyes of whites. That’s the narrative to which just about everyone subscribes. What do you think are the odds, if somehow a post-mortem interview could be conducted, that Craddock wouldn’t blame racism as the cause of his troubles, at least in part? I have yet to hear a black man admit that his problems are his own fault, not the result of something someone else did.

    The mystery is why whites buy into the narrative that white racism is the cause of black misbehavior, and even deeper, why whites think that racism is a bad thing, and condemn it and try to stamp it out among themselves. It’s obvious that such a policy, if successful, would necessarily lead to their own racial death.

    Various explanations have been proposed for why whites opt into the narrative of their own evil. White “guilt” is one, media “programming” is another. Others point out that there can be severe penalties for trying to opt out of the narrative. Dissent is often penalized with ostracism, possible loss of job, and other things. There are problems with all three explanations. White “guilt” is popular with those who would like to think that whites are genetically different from other races in being inherently more moral, but to me it seems a little too self-serving and convenient to be a good excuse. Where was their finely developed conscience, for example, when they were exterminating the injuns in North America, or enslaving the negroes or, for that matter, enslaving their fellow whites, which they did for thousands of years? Laying the blame on “programming” from mass media and academia neglects to consider that whites behaved in a racially self-destructive way even before such things became a factor. For example, American whites granted the negro citizenship and legal equality with themselves in the 1860s, long before movies, TV, radio, and the internet. As for the last explanation, that dissent is being repressed, while it’s true in some cases, the overwhelming majority of whites don’t dissent, but even enthusiastically endorse the public policy of anti-racism that will inevitably result in their own racial demise. If they secretly believed that racism is good and healthy they wouldn’t do so, so it stands to reason that they do so because they agree that racism is bad. Ironically, even the attempt to pin a racial motive on Craddock, though it is probably in some sense true, reinforces the “racism is bad” narrative. It’s become a universal value from which there’s no escape.

  50. @John Johnson

    The Murdoch second generation owners of Fox do not qualify as conservatives. When Rupert Murdoch died the conservatives lost their last major TV network.

    It is just a matter of time before the conservatives figure that out–then maybe they will start to figure out some other things.

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails
  51. @MarkU

    Va. Beach/Norfolk/Portsmouth metro area is probably more than 25% black and also heavily repped by other non-white minorities. (military/civilian federal government and gov’t contractors/shipyard/ports–all heavy minority employers) And you can bet blacks with desks and cubicles are disproportionately represented in municipal governments there.

  52. @dc.sunsets

    We all have to keep seeing the ante go up against us because of this shit.

    I have been told however that the beachfront section of Virginia Beach is no longer invaded be feral hordes of partaying negroes. It seems that the tourism powers that be got together and modernized the oceanfront properties and made them too expensive for them. So I guess a significant number of decent white people of modest means are now priced out of the Virginia Beach vacation market.

  53. @Anonymous0619

    Ya gotta love it! I only booked one and now feel inadequate!

  54. @dc.sunsets

    The inclusion of this tidbit is all about an anti-gun Narrative, because in reality a suppressor on a 45 doesn’t render the gun all that quiet.

    Agreed. I’m pretty sure one of the stories I read quoted a witness who said, “We kept hearing shots”.

    “But, but…HE HAD A SILENCER!”

  55. D-FENS says:

    “Another angle. Norfolk-Newport News is basically a massive military base. Another mass shooting near such a facility and by an individual who had served in the military.”

    It appears that the military does not conduct adequate screening for those joining or being discharged. Another reason to stop using the military as a proxy for the IDF.

  56. @Anonymous

    Most .45acp is subsonic already. Very east to suppress.

    Most of the issue, as you correctly point out, is with the sonic boom as the bullet breaks the sound barrier. No gadget you screw in the end of a barrel will fix that.

    I can’t imagine its use in a crime unless it is to showcase the fact that they are out there – legally – and ‘need to be taken off the atreets’

  57. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Maybe “In a journalistic moment of candor rarely seen since (insert desired time period), the Old Gray Lady admitted that . . .” would be a good way to put it.

  58. So let me get this straight. Black mass murderers are more common than white? Since when?

    You cook the books. You spin the facts. You a phony.

  59. @Noman

    Bad example 😀

    By the most hash-inspired estimates the number of Affirmative Action Americans lynched in all of 1865 – 1965 was slightly over 4000;
    judging from available anecdote, mostly for home invasion-rape-torture-murder of White women.
    You may also remember this was the first Sibbyl Rite they demanded – one gets the impression that´s what the movement was about in the first place.
    (As an interesting aside, in the wild days of California death by AAA was considered more or less an “Act of God” not because they were so divine but because it took extremely bad luck to get fatally hit; standard sentence was three years(!) while Chinese murderers were hanged – presumably because they really, REALLY meant it 😛 )

    Exactly how many aspiring rocket surgeons are flatlined by their bruthas in ONE year again?
    – And another pattern emerges …
    (Ooops. I wasn´t supposed to say that)

    – Hoax …. you think?
    I have no information beyond what I read and infer (measly enough) but …
    what possible purpose would it serve – except maybe numbing Joe Averidge Murkan before the NEXT White supremaciss event because MAGA hat-noose-bleach screams JUSSIE!!! at present?
    You know – like those little cubes of mild, half-hard cheese between the wines you savour?

    Nah … far out.

  60. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    A US man has been sentenced to 19 years in prison after pleading guilty to throwing a five-year-old boy from a third-floor balcony.

    Emmanuel Aranda, 24, told police he went to Minnesota’s Mall of America “looking for someone to kill”, before choosing the boy, identified as Landen.

    In a statement read in court on Monday, Landen’s parents decried Aranda’s act as one “intended to kill and destroy”.

    Landen survived the almost 40ft (12m) fall, but required multiple surgeries.

    His parents described his recovery from head trauma and broken bones sustained in the 12 April attack as “miraculous”. No further update on his condition was provided.

    “I wish you could experience the pain and suffering you inflicted on my boy,” Landen’s parents said in a statement read by prosecutor Cheri Townsend on Monday.

    “You should have the maximum punishment that this life has for you so you understand the impact of your actions.”

    US man ‘threw or pushed’ child off balconyBoy charged after man stabbed in chestBoy, 16, charged with murdering man

    Aranda pleaded guilty in May to one count of attempted premeditated murder as part of a plea deal with prosecutors.

    In court after his sentencing on Monday, Aranda declined to speak.

    He had previously told investigators that he had made several unsuccessful attempts to talk to women in the Minnesota mall, but that their rejection “caused him to lash out and be aggressive”, US media report.

    He said he initially planned to kill an adult before choosing Landen instead.

    Aranda had two past convictions for assault at the same mall, both in 2015, and had been banned from the area at an earlier date,according to CBS News , the BBC’s US affiliate.

    Court records show he was ordered to undergo psychological evaluation after those incidents.

    Aranda’s friends and family told US media that he had been in and out of treatment for a variety of mental health issues, including attention deficit disorder, depression, autism and schizophrenia. They said believed he was homeless before the attack.

    At trial, Aranda’s attorney did not raise a mental illness defence.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  61. Agreed. I’m pretty sure one of the stories I read quoted a witness who said, “We kept hearing shots

    There is also quote from someone who thought it was a nailgun and didn’t try to leave.

    Republicans have tried to deregulate suppressors which is a mistake. I am against deregulation because I do not want to make life harder for the first responders that have to deal with these shooters.

    Deregulate them and they will be all over the ghetto. That is just the way it is. So even if you deregulated them it would only be a matter of years before Democrats try to completely ban them. In fact you could make the situation worse but legalizing them and then having Democrats follow with a total ban.

    The second amendment was intended for Whites. White men have very low homicide rates and especially if they are married with children. Most of the White mass shooters have been teenagers raised by Democrats or social degenerates like the Vegas shooter. I doubt the founding fathers would have supported arming Blacks with suppressed 45s.

  62. @MarkU

    Thank you for your comment.

    We Kersey readers, awake to the true color of crime and its scope, do see the distinction between a gang orc and an affirmative orc.

    Sleepwalking Whites will only see what fakenews wants them to see, in this case blaming guns and keeping the orc pic suppressed.

    Supposedly the orc was an engineer, but affirmative action means low IQ is not a barrier to employment and the job could be anything from riding a desk and surfing porn all day to fetching coffee.

  63. @Anonymous

    The only solution (before the “hot” race war) is to avoid them at all costs.

    Useless Aside: Asian girl was hot.

  64. @Augustus

    Thank you for your comment.

    Common sense is the leastest, rarest sense of all.

  65. @Anon

    He could be out in as few as 12 years.

  66. @Anon

    Here is a man who was far more intelligent than I but instead of enjoying the life a licensed engineer would offer

    No, he almost certainly wasn’t.  He was decades into the era of affirmative-action grading in universities.  He was awarded a degree he was not qualified to hold, and given a make-work job leading tours of a plant he barely understood and could never have designed.  When he started getting violent at “work”, something had to give.  Nine actual workers (and three racial tokens) paid for it with their lives.

    That he was African-American is the point.

    You’re almost there, but not quite.  I hope my explanation pushes you across that threshold.

  67. I believe the targets were supposed to be ‘white only’ like fancy toilets in the 60’s. I feel the 3 black people that were also killed: 1.Wanted to be captain save everybody that would shoot his black ass in the head and walk right over his dead body. 2. the other was a lonely, depressed, obsessive bible thumper. 3. Well Jehovah witness…..need I say more. I feel he had more targets he wanted to bulls eye but hey you get what you get and you dont throw a fit.

  68. Loren says:
    @Ex New Yorker

    maybe trademark terms like
    lets race together
    race 2 dinner

    and market the stuff…give the money to homeless White teens to go to trade or computer school.

    Get a 501c…advert that all profit goes to homeless teens.

  69. Loren says:

    off topic

    there is a talk on youtube by Chris hedges, is a HOOT.
    he blames it all on globalization, and none on race.

    here are comments from it,


    i propose as my grand father and father told me, vote with your feet. if the homes have no value, the schools vile, the crime high and no jobs or hope, then pack what you can carry, put your best shoes on and walk out of town and head to the local library. ask the librarian for help finding out where the jobs are and start walking. walk till you get a job.

    live lean, really lean, then send for your loved ones. yes it is a tough thing to do but at least you take control of your own life. the older you get the more difficult this plan becomes. life is hard, lots of pain, failure a constant companion. in the end we succeed or fail by our own actions not some politico’s “program”. many times as a young man i was told you only get out what you put in.
    be generous and kind for that always opens doors and creates good will.

  70. Loren says:

    off topic,
    kill 2 Whites, get 8 years in prison.
    I forget where the article is.


  71. @Mr. Rational

    100% on the mark

    I had a very good ACT score and good GPA, but couldn’t get into Iowa State University school of Engineering as a white male. A classmate who is 1/2 black scored several points lower on the ACT and had a lower GPA, but he got a scholarship…and flunked out sophomore year.
    I moved west, worked through school, and never looked back. Iowa was paying big bucks to get highly skilled grads back.
    Much nicer to visit in non-snow months and remain out west with the mountains, nicer climate, and lower taxes. Iowa is better now, but too late.

  72. Augustus says:

    The FBI definition of mass murder is four or more people killed in one attack.
    How many times does that happen with black gang attacks? Enough to outnumber school shootings? Does that explain it adequately for you?
    So there it is, something like 75% of mass shooting attributed to blacks. Also, blacks still have the 13-51 rate, a problem which seems to be always growing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. @Justvisiting

    When Rupert Murdoch died the conservatives lost their last major TV network.

    Rupert Murdoch is still very much alive, but the second generation Murdochs are running Fox News with a less conservative take.

  74. @MarkU

    I don’t agree you are “trolling” either, Mark, as yours is a perfectly reasonable comment. In regards to your contention that there was no racism whatsoever involved in this guy’s pick of victims, I am glad Mr. Lassiter wrote in here, and will put in about the same 2 cents: What was the percentage of black people in this governmental organization?

    You live in England (I thought I read), so you don’t have the 1st-hand experience. It may have previously been only in the South, but nowadays black people exist in the downtowns of just about all cities here, and I count Virginia Beach as a city. When they do, the local, state, and Federal branch offices are composed of such large numbers of black people, that I think there would be almost no black middle class were it not for those jobs paid for by taxpayers.

    You’ve never been to the highway department for license plates, or the Feral building for a new SS card, or what have you, Mark. This gist of it is that there was probably a larger percentage of blacks in that government office that this murderer worked at than just the % of black people in Virginia Beach. I’d like to know the answer, but if it’s hard enough to get the race of this 12X mass-murderer out of American Pravda, I’m not sure how you’d find that exact number out.

    Was Mr. Craddock targeting white people, but with an animosity toward a few black people he’d had trouble with too, or did he just shoot anybody and everybody that was there and could have resisted otherwise?

    • Replies: @MarkU
  75. @Glock45

    I had a gut feeling right from the get-go, that the shooter was black. First, the reluctance to show his picture, or describe his race. And, the name, which is a bit of a giveaway, was withheld at first. Although, that is probably common practice in these types of tragedies, as they unfold, until further details are learned.

    Also, “municipal building” and “Virginia Beach” automatically made me think “black”.

    “They” like to say that mass murderers are always Whites, which we know to be false. However, it’s always the White ones that get the mass media coverage. I hate to say it, but every time I hear of a mass shooting these days, my first thought is “Please, DON’T let it be a White guy!”

    • Replies: @Anon
  76. @Mr. Rational

    Not to mention that Old Dominion State “University”, while not technically an HBCU, is a majority minority urban diploma mill.

  77. @John Johnson

    ” I doubt the founding fathers would have supported arming Blacks with suppressed 45s.”

    The founding fathers would have only supported continued chattel slavery or expulsion of Blacks from the North American continent

  78. @Anonymous

    I know you’re not seeking to be ridiculed, but…sheesh.

    All typical 45 ACP ammo is subsonic.
    Most 22 LR ammo is subsonic from a pistol.
    There are numerous pistol cartridges that are essentially all subsonic (25 ACP, 32 ACP, 380 ACP, etc.) The “sonic boom” of a firearm is loud, yes, but for Pete’s Sake, the level of unconscionable ignorance about guns, bequeathed us by TV and Hollywood, is awe-inspiring.

    Watch a typical shoot-em-up movie. Guys firing AK’s, AR’s, handguns, piling up the spent shell casings, then they turn to each other and whisper.


    Firing essentially ANY gun without good hearing protection renders you temporarily deaf. Doing a slew of rounds will cause permanent tinnitus and probably cost you several frequency baskets of permanent hearing loss. If any of the characters in those movies actually did what they show, they’d all be mostly deaf. FOREVER.

    Have you ever run a chainsaw? A compressed-air jackhammer? You’d NEVER do it without hearing protection, or not for long, because it’s PAINFUL.

    An unsuppressed 45 ACP yields about 162 db. The best suppressor attenuates about 30 db. Earplugs attenuate about 32 db, but (sorry for shooters) some of the damage to hearing occurs via transmission from the facial bones. If you doubt me, go to the range, shoot a gun (while wearing hearing protectors) and keep your mouth open when you do it.

    Really. Bad. Idea.

    Yes, you can assemble ammunition with as little propellant as you like. You can even skip the propellant (the bullet might just get lodged in the gun barrel.) But you can’t reduce the propellant enough to make a damn bit of difference in a centerfire caliber like the 45 ACP.

    There exist 22 CB caps. They are 22 cartridges that just have the priming compound in them. They are so low powered that they’re less powerful than many pneumatic (air) rifles. But they still make plenty of noise.

    There isn’t a gun on Earth that is as quiet as those shown in TV and in the movies.

  79. @John Johnson

    John, let me just say that as a resident of a state where suppressors are entirely illegal, your comment makes me want to ask you to perform an anatomically impossible act.

    The NFA 1934 was one brick in a huge wall of SHAM legislation. It was among the precedents for the entire evisceration of the Bill of Rights, which were the only decent thing to come out of the excrescence emerging from the Coup d’tat in Philadelphia.

    Perhaps you’re right, that criminal misuse of sound suppressors would rise if they were made no more difficult to obtain than a handgun. Neither you nor I know, all is conjecture.

    What I do know is that my hearing is a lot less acute than would be the case if I could have attenuated the sound of gunfire by 30 db BEFORE it got to my hearing protection.

    Maintaining the current system helps insure I and many like me have no means of protecting our hearing using a product that is no more complicated than a muffler on a car.

    If a man wants to commit murder quietly there are plenty of tools, not the least of which is a simple hammer or a kitchen carving knife. The notion that blacks might more often use firearm silencers while committing their crimes is and will always be a back-assed rationalization for what is otherwise utterly STUPID.

    Who gives a RIP what the founding fathers would have done. The reverence in which they’re held is nothing short of mythology of the mind-control variety. Prior to the Post Millennial Christian Pietists realizing they could further their Gnostic Heresy via seizure of the political system, whites were the same as Asians (today), comfortable in a sense of superiority that required SEPARATION for those who were “less.” This included keeping low-class whites on “the other side of the tracks.”

    Segregation (racial, ethnic or simply socio-economic) is the norm, it’s preferable for most people and it largely makes good sense. It was discarded on the Gnostic March of Christian Soldiers, and (given its allegiance to Satan himself) carries us toward a somewhat predictable denouement.

  80. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    And since they don’t close cases at the rate they do for whites you can estimate that black serial killers are actually underrepresented in the figures.

    These are the real “hidden figures”.


    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  81. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @PO'd in PG County

    Travelling east for work with a Hispanic worker we exited our plane and entered into a large eastern international airport. He turned to me and said in a low and astonished voice,”I’ve never seen so many naggers!”

    Well, not quite “naggers”. 😉

  82. @John Johnson

    It’s legal to build your own suppressors in Wyoming for your personal use. You just can’t sell them or bring them out of the state.

  83. MarkU says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you for a polite and reasonable response and for taking the time to discern my actual intent (you were the guy that used to read the same sci-fi books as me, right?) and yes I am from the UK so I cannot claim to have any first hand experience of conditions in the US. As I said elsewhere, these matters are very much of concern to me because what happens in the US today will happen in the UK tomorrow.

    I have some thoughts to share on these issues if anyone is interested.

    Firstly, we don’t seem to have the same issues (or at least to the same extent) in Europe and I suspect strongly that the reason for that is that the SJW’s don’t have the same level of influence here (yet) If people are brought up to believe that they are victims that are “owed” and any time they fail is because they are victimised by racism then it is hardly surprising that they grow up with a crappy attitude and lash out at their “oppressors” when things go wrong for them.

    Secondly, it appears to me that this situation is being deliberately contrived, that blacks (and to a lesser extent others) are being weaponised and used as a political tool against the white population. I consider it obvious that the “deep state” is manipulating events in this direction and also blindingly obvious that the “deep state” is not dominated by white gentiles. What you have is the legitimisation of blatant anti-white racism, whites are hardly likely to demonise themselves and/or their power base. The phrase “toxic whiteness” seems to be commonplace in the US, can you imagine the uproar if someone in government or the media used the phrase “toxic Jewishness” or “toxic blackness”.

    Can you imagine if a white guy wrote a racist tale like this…

    This evil racist fuckwit is actually allowed to teach FFS. Given the trivia which has been used to fire white people from teaching jobs, his continued employment is like a great big neon sign ten miles high, declaring war on whites. It ain’t exactly subtle is it.

    Thirdly, we do need to be able to acknowledge that racial differences do exist and we do need to be able to investigate and discuss them. The PC/SJW types are a huge obstruction in that regard. I personally regard it as a mistake to describe any race as “inferior” or “superior” to another in a general way. From a strictly scientific viewpoint it would seem to be an absurd hypothesis that “all races of humans regardless of differences in their environment have same average abilities in every area across the board” Can you imagine someone coming up with the notion that ‘all breeds of horses from all parts of the world had identical average running speeds’ That hypothesis would be laughed at and deservedly so. In short I do not believe that races (or genders) have to be identical in order to be considered equal.

    Unless we can actually discuss and investigate racial differences we will never be able to find solutions to the problems we have.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  84. @Loren

    WE don’t care about your feelings. … Would it be wrong to wish that any white woman who shows up for this nonsense would choke to death on a chicken bone?

    Well, that is refreshing.
    See, I don’t care what the negress thinks either.

    Is it wrong to wish every white women chokes on a chicken bone?

    No, but it is classless, and a tell of your own primitive behavior. White people generally use utensils and don’t eat bones.

    Their own TNB is quite easy to spin back on them. Best of all, they know it is true.

    The shooter had a sweet job, If he could have just played nice. Apparently plenty of other blacks in the Work place, he could have asked them. But, nope, he had to get offended and in typical negro response- go violent.

    Remember the black guy who got fired and beheaded the HR lady in the office, only to be held at gun point by an employee? This IS black behavior.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  85. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    MarkU: “What you have is the legitimisation of blatant anti-white racism, whites are hardly likely to demonise themselves and/or their power base. ”

    White Americans are steeped in a culture shaped by its Puritan Christian past, and are only too happy to demonize themselves. They think their willingness to confess that they are sinful racists is proof of their virtue. Are you unwilling to confess? Then you are still in league with Satan, my friend.

    You have to keep in mind that the country was founded by this sect of religious lunatics to really understand why it’s the way it is. For example, John Brown, the radical abolitionist whose actions helped start America’s bloodiest conflict, the Civil War, was referred to by his contemporaries as “the last Puritan”. He demonized the white slave owners and was very proud of murdering them. And as shown by the resulting war, this was by no means an uncommon sentiment among the general populace. After the war, the white Christian nation showed its commitment to its ideal of racial equality by giving the freed negroes full citizenship and the vote. Everything else that has followed has only been a matter of living up to that initial commitment, and it’s being done in typical Christian fashion too: reality be damned!

  86. @MarkU

    Can’t say I completely disagree. While I’m not looking for equality among victims, I think the ‘racism’ card can easily be played (if that’s your insinuation) by the simple fact that when whites get fired or are in danger of losing their job, they typically shoot the resume out, not all of their coworkers.

    The fact that there were not that many blacks in the office only shows that work was being done.

    So, while he may not have targeted the whites in the office ‘deliberately’, the fact that this was his response speaks volumes.

    And yes, every opportunity must be taken to tarnish the opposition because they will never hesitate to sensationalize any white on black or blue on black shooting.

    Across the pond or not, the uncomfortable time to ‘pick a side’ has come for you.

  87. @obwandiyag

    I know.

    We all know.

    Math is hard.

  88. Okechukwu says:

    You made a reasonable comment initially, making you a breath of fresh air around here as someone with a modicum of intelligence. You get attacked and instead of defending your very prudent take, you pussy out and try to curry favor by disgorging a panoply of canned alt-right, white nationalist conspiracist and pseudoscientific junk.

  89. Realist says:
    @Harry C

    I’m sure he was a solid engineer.

    Right….by the way where did he ‘earn’ his degree?

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