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The Fab Five: The Trojan Horse for Hip Hop that fans ultimately rejected
The Fab Five: The Trojan Horse for Hip Hop that fans ultimately rejected

ESPN must be commended for the excellent 30 for 30 series that they have aired for the past two years. The U is an outstanding documentary about the criminals, felons, and thugs who played on the University of Miami football team in the 1980s and helped establish the culture of black players flamboyantly celebrating every single successful play. Others to be applauded are Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson , a film that documents the overly-tattooed, controversial basketball star’s inglorious high school arrest for a bowling alley brawl with white people, and The Best that Never Was , which highlights the 1980s Mississippi high school phenomenon Marcus Dupree, who ushered in the modern era of recruiting with every college football program in the nation desiring him and going to great lengths to ultimately boast his placement on their roster.

All of these, and more, represent excellent examples of the blueprint for the creation of Black Run America (BRA).

You can even watch The Legend of Jimmy the Greek , a documentary on the infamous sportscaster who dared admit publicly what everyone knows privately: that genetic differences between white and Black people play a major role in why Black people dominate positions in sports that require excellent sprinting and jumping abilities, such as running back and cornerback in football and all five positions in basketball.

This Sunday’s newest addition to the 30 for 30 family, The Fab Five, is most surprising because it documents — indeed, celebrates — the moment in basketball history when Hip-hop, ghetto culture, and Black-style all became fused with the game and has come to dominate the sport’s culture since. Simultaneously, this moment marked the repudiation of the white-style of play with its emphasis on the team accomplishments rather than the efforts of a single star.

The Fab Five represented the harbingers of change in basketball when they stepped onto the court for the first time at the University of Michigan. Retiring short shorts for baggy pants and playing with a street ball style, Jalen Rose, Chris Weber, Juwan Howard, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson represented the merger of basketball with the burgeoning Black identity in Hip-hop.

In the most watched college basketball final of all time, the Fab Five lined up against the Duke Blue Devils to compete for the 1992 championship. Duke represented then — and still represents today — the old style game of basketball typified by screens, pick’n’rolls, tough defense and team offense; Duke’s game was and is, basically, the white style of play.

Of this Duke team, one of the Fab Five’s members had this to say:

If you grew up in the ’90′s you’re probably familiar with college basketball’s Fab Five, Michigan’s 1991 recruiting class which included Jalen Rose, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson, Chris Webber and Juwan Howard. Rose, King and Jackson appeared on ESPN’s “First Take” Tuesday to discuss their “30 for 30” documentary on the Fab Five that will air on Sunday.

About midway through the “First Take” segment, they played a clip from the documentary in which Rose says:

“For me, Duke was personal. I hated Duke. And I hated everything I felt Duke stood for. Schools like Duke didn’t recruit players like me. I felt like they only recruited black players that were Uncle Toms.”

Asked about the comment, Rose elaborated:“Well, certain schools recruit a typical kind of player whether the world admits it or not. And Duke is one of those schools. They recruit black players from polished families, accomplished families. And that’s fine. That’s okay. But when you’re an inner-city kid playing in a public school league, you know that certain schools aren’t going to recruit you. That’s one. And I’m okay with it. That’s how I felt as an 18-year-old kid.”

College basketball in the early 1990s was already dominated by Black players, but the merger of hip-hop and the overt Black-style of play had not been embraced fully by the NCAA, the universities, or even the Black players. It was the Fab Five that destroyed this barrier once and for all, and it was the Hip-hop lifestyle personified by these athletes that was eagerly embraced by consumers nationwide:

The Fab Five didn’t just win, of course. They styled. They sported those now-ubiquitous baggy shorts and black socks, and they brought Michael Jordan’s bald look to the college game. They ran the floor with playground joy and swagger, slapping hands and bumping chests and talking. Always talking. “Michigan was one of the first anti-establishment programs in college,” says McCormick, who counted himself a fan. “It gave them a freshness.”

It gave them rock-star charisma. “We were almost compared to somebody like the Beatles,” says Howard, now with the NBA’s Denver Nuggets. “We used to go on the road, and there’d be fans lined up outside our hotel wanting our autographs. There’d be people on the campus selling T-shirts with our names on them, with our faces on them.”The Fab Five made the Michigan brand red-hot, and the school cashed in. Annual athletic royalties more than tripled, from $2 million in the pre-Fab year of 1990-91 to a peak of $6.2 million in ’93-94. That windfall, according to then-athletic director Jack Weidenbach, helped the school accelerate upgrades in the women’s athletic program, from coaches’ salaries to facilities to travel.

“Kids could relate to the Fab Five and wanted to emulate them. Wearing Michigan merchandise became a way that you could transform yourself into being as ‘cool’ as the Fab Five,” says Derek Eiler of the Atlanta-based Collegiate Licensing Co.

The Fab Five brought short-term financial success, but ultimately the transformation of basketball into a hybrid Hip-hop, overtly Black game had devastating long-term monetary effects on the National Basketball Association (NBA). In essence, the overt Blackness of the game turned off white fans.

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The college game didn’t completely thug-out because of those pesky academic requirements that mandate student-athletes actually go to class (the reason for the Duke-Butler 2010 championship game). Major institutions must maintain an air of academic legitimacy, and this is even true with regard to the athletes that represent the school. But perusing the graduation rates of Black players participating in the NCAA Tournament reveals that the alarming rates at which they fail to graduate when compared to their white counterparts.

Less alarming is the paucity of white players on these NCAA Tournament teams.

Many Black players do stay for one year at your Kentucky, Kansas, Kansas State or other big-time program as rented talent, but the best players normally bypass college and go pro straight out of high school. It is the ghost of the Fab Five and the ghouls they let of the ghetto-box that threatens to doom the NBA:

League and club executives decided to marry the NBA to hip-hop, and clearly didn’t know what they were getting into. As my friend Brian Burwell wrote in Tuesday’s St. Louis Post-Dispatch, NBA marketing people “thought they were getting Will Smith and LL Cool J. But now they’ve discovered the dark side of hip-hop has also infiltrated their game, with its ‘bling-bling’ ostentation, its unrepentant I-gotta-get-paid ruthlessness, its unregulated culture of posses, and the constant underlying threat of violence .

The Fab Five created an environment where teams with majority white players are castigated by fans and media alike for a perceived lack of athleticism. Recall the words of sportswriter Bob Ryan who 2004 stated Vanderbilt was too white to win in the NCAA Tournament:

The team too white to win was too good to lose.Basketball remains a beautiful sport.

Stereotypes have no place here. The truth is always on the scoreboard. It showed a 71-58 Vanderbilt victory this day. So it’s official: Color has no bearing on a basketball game.Bob Ryan tried to test this certainty. The Boston Globe columnist said on a radio show this week that Vandy was “too white” to win its NCAA Tournament game against Western Michigan.

Don’t be too harsh to Ryan. The foolish have a strong following. Such thought dominates this game. In no other sport do people try to correlate ability and skin tone as much as they do in hoops. It’s the saddest fact in a game enlivened by its diversity.

“It really disappoints me,” said C.M. Newton, a Hall of Famer for his basketball contributions, which included detonating several racial barriers throughout college basketball. “I would think we’re way past that. Obviously, we’re not.”

Newton was disturbed that Ryan, a respected basketball writer, would make such an assertion. If someone so experienced and revered could think this way, then anyone could. It’s disrespectful to a man like Newton, who spent most of his career changing the game.

It’s amazing that, after all the melting, a new divide is starting to freeze.Blacks in. Whites out.

Basketball is a game of athleticism and movement. Apparently, only one race can supply that. Spread a few white players across the roster for shooting. This is how twisted we think.

What’s too white, anyway? The Commodores started three black players. Is two white starters too white? Is one too white? Is a single mixed player too white?

When a basketball player like Jimmer Fredette of Brigham Young University comes along, average basketball fans have been conditioned like Pavlov’s dog to proclaim “he’s pretty good — for a white guy,” The perception being that basketball is a sport wedded to the image of a tall Black guy covered in tattoos, hair in corn-rows and selfishly playing the game instead of selflessly playing the game.

Those selfish Black players in the NBA are crippling a league that once entertained visions of expansion into Europe, but now faces potential losses of $350 million this year and required an emergency $200 million to distribute among cash-strapped teams in 2009:

Commissioner David Stern says the N.B.A. is on course to lose $350 million this season. He says there’s a need to cut leaguewide salaries by as much as $800 million, hints at contraction, and acknowledges the ever-looming presence of the elephant in the room; there’s a good chance that there will be a lockout in the summer.We’re about to enter one of the most exciting periods in the sport’s history, and yet we might lose it before it even begins.

The possibility of contraction in a league that leveraged its future on the short-term profitability and marketability of the ghetto Black-style of basketball – which white fans have rejected and no longer pay to watch – should be on the minds of those who view The Fab Five 30 for 30 special.

White fans embrace the NCAA for the off-beat chance a championship game such as the epic 2010 clash between Butler and Duke can materialize:

Five white players could be on the court at tipoff. That’s the most since 1998, when six white players started in the Utah-Kentucky final.

Gordon Hayward and Matt Howard – two of Butler’s top players – are white. So are five of Duke’s top seven players.

Even though the race issue isn’t discussed in polite company, it’s been the subject of hushed conversations at the Final Four and will be obvious to anyone in attendance or tuning in at home. The subject is so taboo that even Larry Bird bristles when it’s brought up.

Perhaps it is fitting that the legacy of the Fab Five has been virtually erased in the history books, thanks to rampant rule violations:

The banners from the 1992 and 1993 Final Fours no longer hang at Michigan’s Crisler Arena. A federal investigation said that Chris Webber took $280,000 from Ed Martin, a local bookmaker and booster who pleaded guilty to conspiracy as a result of the inquiry. (Martin’s son, Carlton, said this week in a phone interview that the amount “could have been $100,000 to $200,000 higher.” Webber has said that he took far less, and repaid the money.)

Nearly two decades after their high point, the Fab Five’s legacy has gone from black socks to black marks, their swagger replaced by the shame of bequeathing the Michigan basketball program a generation of chaos.

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The true legacy of the Fab Five is the demons they unleashed upon the game, demons which haunt NBA accountants on a daily basis. Sure, it was cool, rebellious, and edgy back in the 1990s for white kids to emulate the Fab Five they saw prancing around the television; but those same white fans, now having grown up, are rejecting the subsequent ghetto-ization of the NBA. Young, Black, Rich & Famous by Todd Boyd documents with gloating terms the rise of hip-hop in the NBA. Boyd fails to address, though, the financial devastation of the merger.

So check out the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary The Fab Five and understand that what you are viewing is men who ushered in the era of hip-hop, ghetto basketball culture that ultimately drove white fans away from the NBA and precipitated the slow financial slide of the game into oblivion.

So what is the important lesson we should glean from this? It is that Black people see nothing wrong with their behavior; it is that Black people love being Black no matter the effects such behavior has on how people perceive them.Outside of professional and college football, popular culture is is rejecting the ghetto aesthetic.

It should be noted that ESPN pays the NBA roughly $930 million a year for broadcast rights, while CBS and TBS paid $10.8 billion for the rights to March Madness over a 14-year period. The NBA season is 82 games, while March Madness transpires over a three-period in late March- early April.

(Republished from SBPDL by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Total number of NCAA National Championships won by Michigan's Amazing Fab Five…

    Zero.

  2. "certain schools recruit a typical kind of player"

    An athletically-gifted negro with the IQ of a doorknob.

  3. Did you mention the Chris Webber time out?

  4. How come there are only three of them being interviewed in the video? Were two of them gunned down?

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I know your website focuses on blacks but there are fears that the Tea Party could use Rep. Peter King's McCarthyistic Muslim hearings as a way to motivate the Republican/conservative base. The base you no doubt are appealing to. I call them the idiot base.

    Rep. Keith Ellison said this today,

    "It is true that specific individuals, including some who are Muslims, are violent extremists. However, these are individuals but not entire communities…When their violent actions are associated with an entire community, then blame is assigned to a whole group. This is the very heart of stereotyping and scapegoating, which is counterproductive," Ellison insisted. "Ascribing the evil acts of a few individuals to an entire community is wrong; it is ineffective, and it risks making our country less secure."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110310/ts_yblog_theticket/muslim-rep-keith-ellison-tears-up-during-hearings-on-islamic-radicalization

    It's stuff like this that makes me ashamed of being white and that everyone in the world associates whites with Tea Party racists. The Tea Party is a bunch of disorganized rednecks who vote against their own interests because upholding whiteness is more important than protecting their livelihoods. They can't wait to have new groups of people to hate instead of looking in the mirror. First it was blacks, than Hispanics, now Muslim-Americans. Who's next?

    Read Ellison's statement and insert "black" for Muslim and "criminal" for extremist, and you'll get why your viewpoints and the viewpoints of your readers are despicable and based upon nothing but hate.

    I pity you. You should get out more.

  6. I don't attempt to appeal to anyone: I try and provide the service of letting the world know the "Stuff Black People Don't Like".

    It the conservative base finds what I write appealing, it is probably because they have experienced Black people in their every day life and made the conscious choice to avoid them henceforth.

    White liberals residing in Portland, Seattle, New York, Boulder, San Fran and other cities avoid them as well, but use them for political gain.

    I do know that some goofy Black Congressman tried to say the KKK — a group consisting of FBI informants now — are worse than Muslims.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/mar/10/audio-cbc-congressman-twt-terror-hearing-your-pape/

    Congressman Al Green, Texas Democrat, found himself in a heated debate with Republican members on the Homeland Security Committee on Thursday over whether or not the Ku Klux Klan should be considered a terrorist organization. Rep. Peter King, New York Republican and chairman of the committee said, "There is no equivalency of threat between al Qaeda and Neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, and other isolated madmen." Peter King continued, "Indeed, by the Justice Department’s own record, not one terror-related case in the last two years involved neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, or anti-war groups."

    The reality of interracial crime isn't so pretty, Mr. (or Mrs.?) who pities me.

    http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm

    Of course, I heard it was members of the KKK — 18 in fact — who raped an 11-year-old Hispanic in Texas.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-rape-charges-18-men-sparks-racial-tensions/story?id=13095476

    Oh wait… that was 18 Black people.

    Most of Europe has admitted multiculturalism has failed. They don't like the idea of Muslims demanding equal rights while demanding that indigenous white populations observe their traditions and accept their lifestyle.

    Anyways, back to basketball…

  7. "It's stuff like this that makes me ashamed of being white"

    Hey Dishonest Crusader, you're not white.

    Now STFU.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What a comment from anonymous. McCarthyism, racism, redneck, voting against their own interest, disorganized, and idiots. Left wing talking points all jumbled into a morass of pointless paragraphs.

    Do you think making statements like this would ever change anyone's political views? To be fair, I am also ashamed you are white.

  9. What makes me upset about allowing that comment about Islam is that it derails what this piece is all about.

    The Black ghetto culture is being rejected by white consumers. In the 1990s when the Fab Five debuted, it was cool, fresh, edgy and hip.

    Now the NBA is seen as nothing more than "African Tree Hockey" played by players with more ink than a Bic factory.

  10. If you're ashamed of being white then go down to your local ghetto and join in with all of their festivities,(looting, pillaging, raping, gang violence, etc.) and renounce your whiteness and repudiate your European heritage. Go ahead, I want to see it.

    Your comment is so stupid that it wreaks of self loathing. How utterly moronic can one be?

    Typical liberal non sequiter.

  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What is wrong with you, liberal DWL Anon? We do get out. Probably more that you do.

    I live very near the black underclass in an large city, and they practice urban terrorism against other Americans on a daily basis. You want America to turn into a third world country and fail. This is not something that you should support. Black people and Muslims do not need your white sympathy or your help. Ask your average black man how much he hates America, and he has much to say.

    You hate America and what makes it unique – Western Civilization, the homeland of white European culture. You despise your own race and culture so much that you actively promote other races/cultures/religions and neglect your own. You think your liberal views are useful, but what you are really doing is ensuring a quick demise of your own people.

    You have been brainwashed by the multi-culti liberal agenda. Diversity and integration only mean the demise of the white race. Promoting whites is not racist, it is necessary in order for America to prosper into the future. Trust me, black Americans and Muslims have no love for you.

    Please expand your limited view, try to read other viewpoints, such as Lawrence Auster and Steve Sailer. You cannot provide anything here that will change any minds. Your comments show your own self-hatred, your hatred for your white people, and you are the true enemy.

  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "It's stuff like this that makes me ashamed of being white"

    How sad that you hate your own people so much! I will happily pay for your one way trip to Africa. I am sure the nice folks there would love to have you for dinner. LOL!

  13. "…a way to motivate the Republican/conservative base."

    'Bout time.

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    re: anonymous at 12:58 pm

    Please. Self-hating whites like you who poor slime on themselves make me sick.

    I'm sure you're a "Its just a big coincidence that I happen to live in a nearly all-white neighborhood, but don't worry, I still think diversity is our strength and if any white person disagrees, I'll call them racist" white.

    When are you people going to finally put your money where your mouth is? If you think multiculturalism is so great, move to downtown Detroit. Move to Oakland. How about Memphis? Prove me wrong. I can smell liberal hypocrite phonies like you a mile away. Why don't you go to Huffington Post and spew your self-hatred. You'll find a much more receptive audience over there

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "What makes me upset about allowing that comment about Islam is that it derails what this piece is all about."

    SBPDL, please stop letting these negroes run rampant on your site. They contribute nothing.

    They can't argue facts, so they try to steer the topics off course, and create disruption.

  16. "In the 1990s when the Fab Five debuted, it was cool, fresh, edgy and hip."

    At that time, hip-hop was MC Hammer, Will Smith, and Vanilla Ice…it was clean.

  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    My apologies SBPDL. I was going to post about this topic but got sidetracked by that moron.

    I happened to watch that documentary about Allen Iverson online and what a piece of left-wing garbage that was. This guy attacks a girl with a chair from behind, leaving her unconscious and all of his "supporters" act like he got lynched when he got sent to prison for just FIVE MONTHS. The whole movie is quintessential BRA.

    I would invite everybody here to watch it and see how BRA operates:

    http://vodpod.com/search/browse?q=the+trial+of+allen+iverson

  18. But there was an undercurrent of rap and hip-hop that came out swinging with The Fab Five. Consult the 30 for 30 film that dealt with the Oakland Raiders and Tupac's death in Las Vegas.

    The Fab Five was the Trojan Horse that brought the Hip-Hop element into basketball, as the Miami Hurricane's were the team that brought some of that style into the college football game (it was rejected much earlier than basketball).

    The NBA is financially unhealthy thanks to that Trojan Horse that professional basketball hedged its future on being a long-term winning investment.

    College basketball has survived because of the white players that alumni and fans can identify with (NCAA is 35 percent white, whereas the NBA is 12 – 15 percent American white) and cheer for during the NCAA tournament.

    Interestingly, the NCAA tournament provides 90 percent of the revenue for the NCAA:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/sports/ncaabasketball/04ncaa.html

    But there is more urgency to find answers because the N.C.A.A. has until July 31 to decide whether to opt out of the three years left on its $6 billion contract with CBS — a contract that provides about 90 percent of the association’s revenue.

    By expanding the tournament, the N.C.A.A. could negotiate a new and presumably more lucrative deal with CBS or other networks, including ESPN, which broadcasts hundreds of college basketball games on its various networks but not the main draw of the N.C.A.A. tournament. All things being equal, more games are likely to attract more viewers and more advertisers for the winning bidders.

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "Now the NBA is seen as nothing more than "African Tree Hockey" played by players with more ink than a Bic factory."

    Blacks ruin and destroy everything they touch.

    They've already ruined the music industry and boxing, the NBA is dying…I can only assume the NFL will be next.

  20. For the book on sports I'm doing, roughly 30 – 40 percent of the material will be brand new. The 30 for 30 series on ESPN champions these Black athletes, many of whom are out-right reprobates deserving of no praise.

    http://30for30.espn.com/film/the-sixteenth-man.html

    That South Africa gave up because they couldn't play international rugby parallels Americans infatuation with sports — especially college football in the South — where Black players that alumni live nowhere near are routinely cheered for on Saturday's by those same people.

    It's sick.

  21. "I happened to watch that documentary about Allen Iverson online and what a piece of left-wing garbage that was."

    ESPN is a left-wing, negro-loving network.

  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    [email protected] 12:58 said:

    It's stuff like this that makes me ashamed of being white

    Well please pull the trigger now and put yourself out of misery.

    When their violent actions are associated with an entire community, then blame is assigned to a whole group. This is the very heart of stereotyping and scapegoating, which is counterproductive

    You mean like how whites as a group are held responsible for the evils of the world? Like that? Of course what Ellison does as does Anonymous @12:58 is ignore the majority and in many/most cases it is the overwhelming majority and say because of a small minority of that population we can come to no conclusions about group behavior. That is not only disingenuous but dangerous as hell.

  23. I love stuff black people don't like!

  24. South Africa are the reigning rugby world champions. Australia and New Zealand also tend to dominate the Northern countries, and they're not short of ethnic participants.

  25. My husband used to love basketball; he played it all through high school (pre-BRA style uniform shorts!). He hasn't watched a game in years – he can't stand to – and he's said, just as you noted SBPDL, that the blacks are just grandstanding and there's no teamwork or skill or finesse anymore.

    Good response to the DWL anonymous commenter. The mere fact that black muslim thug Keith Ellison is a Congressman, elected by White Minnesotans, is a disgrace.

  26. Whatever happened to "athlete-students"?

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks DO ruin everything they touch. Basketball never had a chance.

    A question I have for blacks – especially the ones who come here to try to blind "we who can see", is this: just WTF do you want? WTF do you REALLY want?

    It can't be "equal opportunity" as that exists; it can't be equal protection under the law, as THAT already exists.

    In fact, it can't be anything that is at all reasonable or rational. It can only be that they want to be able to do whatever they want to do at that moment, and be given a pass. Drugs, murder, assault, robbery, etc. Whatever I be doin' ain't none o' yo bidness, whitey. Right black folk? Is that it?

    I'd love for one of them to answer that question – WTF do you people REALLY want? – honestly.

  28. Another great post, SBPDL.

    Like locusts, Blacks destroy everything and leave a barren wasteland in their wake. And right now they are destroying the National Football League! I hope that the owners lock them out and starve them to death.

  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "It's stuff like this that makes me ashamed of being white and that everyone in the world associates whites with Tea Party racists."

    Wrong. It doesn't matter how "not racist" you try to be. It doesn't matter how much you denounce "whiteness," and proclaim how shameful it is to be white. It doesn't matter how much you denigrate the lowly rednecks, tea baggers, Republicans, whatever. There is nothing you can ever do to appease blacks, to help their plight, to remedy and white on black racism past and present. You are White, and you are the enemy. End of story. Newborn White children are racists. Whites who will be born in 200 years are racists. Just being White, in blacks' eyes, makes you a racist, regardless of your political and social beliefs. There is nothing you can do to change this.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "just WTF do you want? WTF do you REALLY want?"

    Blacks want to be taken care of. That's why they always vote for the candidate who promises more handouts and goodies from the government (in other words, the democrat).

    Like infant children, they want to be completely free of any responsibility or accountability for their behavior.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @ anon 5:57 PM

    I know that and you know that.

    But I really want to hear it from a black. They gripe and moan and complain about every damn thing. But they never actually articulate it: WTF do they want, that they don't have? ALL any of us "get" in America is the OPPORTUNITY to do what we want to do. Oh, and those darned consequences things. They can be a beeyoch.

    WTF do they want?

  32. @ Anon 5:20PM:

    Blacks DO ruin everything they touch. Basketball never had a chance.

    Hahaha. The irony!

    I have to say that I was shocked–utterly shocked–and then completely gratified at the poetic justice of it all to find out that there used to be an unspoken rule back in the day (I'd say in the early 20th century or so) that coaches were never ever to allow blacks on a white team.

    Also, there was an unspoken rule that stated that white teams were forbidden to play black teams.

    Wow! Just look at the game now! White boys were never meant to play it. Or play it well. (There's always an anomaly. The Lakers is getting whiter!)

    A question I have for blacks – especially the ones who come here to try to blind "we who can see", is this: just WTF do you want? WTF do you REALLY want?

    I was going to say total equality of opportunity and true equal protection under the law but you say that already exists. I didn't know it did but this is whitey's world. We play by yo rules, massa. (I wonder if you really even know what those are, by the way.)

    I'd love for one of them to answer that question – WTF do you people REALLY want? – honestly.

    I don't know if SBPDL will even let me answer but I'll try: we want all the things that all Americans want. Try to think of what you'd want and, at the very least, it is tangential to what blacks or Latinos or any minority group would want.

    You act like we're pod people from another galaxy! No, we are all Americans! Blacks have been here just as long as whites.

    What we want–and, again, this is what any minority group wants–is to not be judged by our skin color, or hair texture, or eye shape, etc. but seen as an individual. Like white people are seen as individuals; we don't have this luxury.

    These are simple requests. But the first step to a colorblind and equal society is to acknowledge that racism and inequality does exist, and work to change it.

    It's not about Blame Whitey, the stock, knee-jerk response to any appeal for equality.

    I'm just trying to keep it real, Anonymous. Only the people on this site think blacks, or whoever, are completely different from you. That's ignorant. It's predicated upon not knowing, but generalizing based on negative experience.

    I was perplexed when SBPDL said he was 'mugged by reality at an early age', on his book. I thought he'd grew up in a Whitopia? Is he lying?

    White people are not on my Shit List but I'd be lying if I said I 'liked' you people as much as coloreds. I prefer minorities as friends but I would never, ever ever discriminate against or turn away friendship with a white person.

    Your language tells me that you are not really open to a real and honest answer, and that is part of the problem. If you you are more comfortable with an "I's be black an' proud, honkey" answer, I can please your appetite for stereotypes, as well: I want you and your ilk and Sheila (definitely Sheila!) and, yes, SBPDL to kiss my black ass. Rim it good for slavery, Emmitt Till, Martin Luther King, Jr., and that Vanessa Williams lost her Miss America crown.

    Do you like that better? I hope you prefer the former as it is the real answer. Insofar as I can be a representative of my race, of course.

    How about posting this one, Massa SBPDL? He asked a question of we negroes.

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "Blacks DO ruin everything they touch. Basketball never had a chance.

    Hahaha. The irony!"

    It's not irony, and it's not funny. It's a fact.

    Blacks ruin everything they touch.

    Just take a peek at Atlanta, Detroit, New Orleans, Haiti, South Africa, etc…and every other city/town/community taken over by blacks.

    Blacks destroy everything they touch.

  34. "we want all the things that all Americans want"

    How lame.

    There is no such thing as a list of "things that all Americans want".

    Why not just say "I don't know"?

    This is a non-response.

  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "Only the people on this site think blacks, or whoever, are completely different from you. That's ignorant. It's predicated upon not knowing, but generalizing based on negative experience."

    Then add all the people we know and the people they know and the people they know and the people they know… You get the idea. Just about every white, Asian, and Hispanic I've ever known doesn't like blacks. Especially the Hispanics.

  36. "White boys were never meant to play it. Or play it well."

    Diarrhea, if you think that whites are inferior to blacks, then by definition, you are a racist.

    How funny.

  37. There is no such thing as a list of "things that all Americans want".

    Why not just say "I don't know"?

    This is a non-response.

    You fool. I answered. What does every American want? If you cannot provide an answer to this question, you are un-American!

    Someone asked the question wherein 'I don't know' would be an insufficient answer. I answered and said we want to be treated like individuals and not based upon the racist stereotypes you hold for us. We deserve this much, I believe, as citizens of this country. I mentioned equality of opportunity–not results, mind you–but the question asker stated that this already existed, which I disagree and I do not know from what authority he speaks. Equality of opportunity is still a 'pie in the sky', a hope, a dream.

    I also stated that we want what all Americans want. If you'd like me to delineate further, I can, but I ask you first to figure out what you'd want as an American, and you cannot say 'No blacks' because that is not going to happen.

    I'll help: we want good schools with high-quality teachers; safe neighborhoods free of riff-raff; honest leaders; tax dollars going to good use, etc. Quintessentially American 'wants'. None of this has anything to do with Blame Whitey. I think it's well-deserved for all American citizens.

    I'd add, for blacks especially, to not deny us our humanity. That is what is done when you poke fun at someone's name or deride someone for their culture or how they were raised. I'm not talking moral relativism here. I'm just talking about treating people like they're not less-thans for an arbitrary reason.

    I don't know if anyone on here is capable of this; many people the world over deny another's humanity everyday. It's a paradox of being 'human'.

    What I am saying is, if you can muster enough humanity to tolerate that lone token black, you have it in you to tolerate blacks as a whole. And I'm not talking about being in a love affair; I'm just talking about treating people with respect!

    It is frequently mentioned by SBPDL that DWLs and SWPL whites distance themselves from blacks, too, only to support them from a 'distance', or 'worse', use blacks as a hammer to beat the conservative. But I will always choose one of these cloistered liberals over the conservative because there is a difference between your kind and their kind, and it is significant.

    They may live in Whitopias away from blacks and LOVE it but they would never, ever want to take away our civil rights. Your kind does. They do not deny the whole race's humanity due to the actions of a few (criminals are a minority in ALL races). Your kind does.

    I don't think the question asker wants a real answer, nor does SBPDL. So, the question I'd like anyone to answer–reasonably, please–is:
    what do you want blacks to do if we are so 'savage', 'inferior', can't 'escape' our genetics, etc.? What should we do to remedy our 'lowly' status if we are so genetically predisposed that we must not be able to 'learn' our way out of it? What should we do? Mass suicide?

    Answer away, if you can manage it. And do so with intelligence.

  38. Diarrhea, if you think that whites are inferior to blacks, then by definition, you are a racist.

    How funny.

    Pot, meet Kettle!

    No, but really, I was only saying that because it is so ironic how they used to keep blacks from playing a sport they dominate today. It is almost divinely guided, that kind of poetic justice. You have to admit that, at least.

    You know what's funny? My word verification was 'troll'. Now that's funny!

    :-}

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Desiree: “What we want–and, again, this is what any minority group wants–is to not be judged by our skin color, or hair texture, or eye shape, etc. but seen as an individual.”

    Your answer is context-free. It means nothing by itself, because it doesn't even begin to define what is an individual, how an individual interacts with society, and what society does as a result. It allows you and most other progressives to blather on forever, to express various degrees of displeasure with your opponents, without ever really discussing facts, i.e., specific recordable instances of events that can be typified numerically, especially with statistics.

    An individual is known by the actions and works which arise from their character, intelligence, and to a lesser extent their physical attributes such as beauty or skill. However, all those attributes are also content free, unless and until they are expressed as specific acts that are repeatably measurable.

    This is where blacks excel at making excuses. When society tries to incarcerate a black for bad character, usually repetitive criminal acts, you say he/she should not be convicted because the legal system is rigged due to racism. When society tries to judge a black by intelligence or meritocracy, you say the tests or jobs are rigged against blacks because of racism. In short, every time we do try to judge a person as an individual, you scream that the judging is rigged because of racism (which BTW, a progressive always defines in terms of inner motivations, as if he can read peoples' minds).

    In other words, it's a no-win situation for whites, because no matter what we try to do in a dispassionate, contextually color-free manner, blacks can always distort the result simply by mindlessly screaming “racist”. You have been given every chance, and you continue to not only disappoint, but you then proceed to abuse and defile the whole system. Believe me, we're tired of it, and we're tired of you. Please just go away to your own planet somewhere, because you really do seem like an alien. Barring that, go emigrate to whatever other country on earth meets with your approval. Whatever you do, please stop trying to drag our lives down to your level any more.

  40. Hmm…Desire may have a point about white boys never being meant to play basketball. The same could be argued for blacks and credit. Or blacks and money. Or blacks and working together. It always fails. Now according to Afrocentric theory, Egypt was black and the Moors were black as well. That said…black people were never meant to maintain civilizations. Or maintain it well.

    Between Detroit, New Orleans and Memphis…it's interesting to see my opinion proven as fact. It doesn't even matter if us whites never stepped foot in a black country, blacks just cannot maintain things (Ethiopia).

    As far as what blacks want, they want the same "power" that they think we have. There's not a black person around who doesn't like the fact that despite fighting for "equality by merit and character", they don't have to show merit OR character to get the best of life now.

    Between sports leagues, government jobs, entertainment and the ol' reliable church, it's interesting to see that despite the purchasing power and creativity that American blacks supposedly possess, it is mishandled and misused.

    SBPDL, I'd love to contribute to a blog topic called "Blacktopia". It could be about the stuff that black people REALLY like (a welcome change for Desiree and other black lurkers).

  41. I hope this comment is not "lost in the mud"… Crhis Webber is my personal "most hated nigger". This post does not allude to Webber's admission of receiving $180,000 during his glorious two-year reign over college discipline. Chris Webber's hearing was adjourned until the NBA offseason, where he was able to plead out of felony perjury by indicting a dead man (Bill Martin).

    The Fab Five banners were torn down years ago at Crisler Arena and the program is on the verge of its MOST PROMISING postseason in 20 years, just one season since "star" player Corperryale Harris left a year of eligibility on table to go undrafted into NBA free agency.

    BEILEIN IS A GREAT WHITE COACH, FEAR HIS PRESCIENCE YOU NIGGERS

  42. Desiree,

    Do me a favor and just make a list of the accomplishments, beneficial to society that blacks have achieved. I mean, besides sports and entertainment. I'm just curious as to what you would present to the readers here on significant events that the black race could hold up as memorable to the advancement of society?

    It's always funny to see people critical of white, European culture living here and benefiting from it. Oh, I'm sure that you'll say it was built on the backs of slaves, etc., but the truth is it was built on ingenuity and hard work, dedication, NOT HIP-Hop,ghetto culture mentality.

    Please just make a list of significant advancements thanks to blacks. I eagerly await you response.

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Diarrhea's overt racism is obvious in nearly all of her posts. That she fails to recognize it and acknowledge it is one of the primary reasons I believe she lacks self-awareness, is intellectually dishonest, and can't be taken seriously.

    I am open about my racism. I'm not exactly proud of it, but it is the product of my life experience. I would surely rather have not had the experiences that determined my negative feelings about black people, but that doesn't change the fact that those experiences happened. I am no longer willing to deny the truth to remain "politically correct."

    Not all blacks are as awful as the worst ones that I have encountered, and remember the most. However, the more educated blacks that I have encountered are almost ready with a smirking excuse for the worst of their kind–endorsing the antisocial ghetto behaviors, at the same time knowing that they, because of their African heritage, will likely not be on the victim-end of such barbarism. This permanent "pass" issued by the black "upper" class to the black underclass puts them all in the same cesspool in my eyes. Bill Cosby, of course, exempt for obvious reasons.

    Back to the matter at hand: I was a HUGE basketball fan in the glory days of college basketball. Yes, Duke was my team (and Duke was on my short-list when I was choosing my college…though was ultimately not my choice) and I loved their game. Dignity, respect and decorum are ideas that come to mind when remembering those teams. Dignity, respect and decorum are what the ghetto has stolen from college basketball, the NBA, and other sports. In the days when I loved it, college basketball as a thinking man's team sport. The respect was so evident: respect for teammates, respect for opponents, respect for coaches, respect for officials, respect for the game. Of course there were always rare exceptions, but those exceptions made the overall atmosphere of respect all the more obvious–the breaches of respect were shameful then. No longer. The ghetto mentality permeates the sport, and respect is almost never present. Sad.

    Showboating, grandstanding, flagrant narcissism, mob-rules, intimidation, and the constant threat of violence simmering just below the surface–that is today's basketball. It's looks-a-me taken to the court, taken to the TV, taken to the nth power. It's not fun to watch, for me, anyway, and leaves me kind of sad. Are these ball-court terrorists really the "people" we want to be our kids' heroes?

    I've had a lot of one-and-two-degrees-of-separation experiences with college athletes, at four different schools, two where I attended and two where I worked. I've had good friends who "tutored" the student affleets, and their story would have you laughing your ass off, scratching your head, and fighting off nausea, all at once. Many of those boys playing sports for "institutes of higher education" should never have passed out of 6th grade. Or fourth grade. Tracking the graduation rates is one thing, but digging deeper and looking into the resources that go into maintaining the barely-passing or artificially-passing grades for many of these students is another. Examining the ones who do graduate–the degrees they hold, the jobs they may have–and their level of (in)competence is yet another, and more telling, story.

    This was a great post, but I must say, reading it has made me sad. Our civilization, our culture has had so much stolen and destroyed in the last 50 years, it's heartbreaking to me.

    When will America wake up and realize that the structure is still standing, but the termite infestation is so extensive and has already done so much damage, we might never recover, even if we could exterminate the vermin?

  44. Eh, if whites were not meant to play baskbetball then why did a white guy invent the game?

    Basketball used to be a worthwhile sport and now its all negros in baggy britches playing 'street ball' and getting paid very well for it. It's really sad.

  45. Desiree

    Let me see if I have this straight:

    You want ME to see you people as "individuals", yet YOU like "coloreds" more than "white people"?

    Are you really this stupid, or is this some pointless act?

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "Diarrhea's overt racism is obvious in nearly all of her posts."

    This also applies to Dishonest Crusader.

    As noted previously, even the most devout egalitarians are usually quick to say "blacks are better athletes", or "blacks have more rhythm".

    In other words, they are fully aware that we are NOT all alike.

    Yet they go berserk at the suggestion that blacks are less intelligent, and then irrationally argue that "we're all exactly alike".

    Funny.

  47. "This was a great post, but I must say, reading it has made me sad. Our civilization, our culture has had so much stolen and destroyed in the last 50 years, it's heartbreaking to me."

    Anon 5:32 AM…

    Excellent commentary! Well stated.

  48. @ Anon 6:45PM:

    There is no such thing as a list of "things that all Americans want".

    Why not just say "I don't know"?

    This is a non-response.

    You fool. I answered. What does every American want? If you cannot provide an answer to this question, you are un-American!

    Someone asked the question wherein 'I don't know' would be an insufficient answer. I answered and said we want to be treated like individuals and not based upon the racist stereotypes you hold for us. We deserve this much, I believe, as citizens of this country. I mentioned equality of opportunity–not results, mind you–but the question asker stated that this already existed, which I disagree and I do not know from what authority he speaks. Equality of opportunity is still a 'pie in the sky', a hope, a dream.

    I also stated that we want what all Americans want. If you'd like me to delineate further, I can, but I ask you first to figure out what you'd want as an American, and you cannot say 'No blacks' because that is not going to happen.

    I'll help: we want good schools with high-quality teachers; safe neighborhoods free of riff-raff; honest leaders; tax dollars going to good use, etc. Quintessentially American 'wants'. None of this has anything to do with Blame Whitey. I think it's well-deserved for all American citizens.

    I'd add, for blacks especially, to not deny us our humanity. That is what is done when you poke fun at someone's name or deride someone for their culture or how they were raised. I'm not talking moral relativism here. I'm just talking about treating people like they're not less-thans for an arbitrary reason.

    I don't know if anyone on here is capable of this; many people the world over deny another's humanity everyday. It's a paradox of being 'human'.

    What I am saying is, if you can muster enough humanity to tolerate that lone token black, you have it in you to tolerate blacks as a whole. And I'm not talking about being in a love affair; I'm just talking about treating people with respect!

    It is frequently mentioned by SBPDL that DWLs and SWPL whites distance themselves from blacks, too, only to support them from a 'distance', or 'worse', use blacks as a hammer to beat the conservative. But I will always choose one of these cloistered liberals over the conservative because there is a difference between your kind and their kind, and it is significant.

    They may live in Whitopias away from blacks and LOVE it but they would never, ever want to take away our civil rights. Your kind does. They do not deny the whole race's humanity due to the actions of a few (criminals are a minority in ALL races). Your kind does.

    I don't think the question asker wants a real answer, nor does SBPDL. So, the question I'd like anyone to answer–reasonably, please–is:
    what do you want blacks to do if we are so 'savage', 'inferior', can't 'escape' our genetics, etc.? What should we do to remedy our 'lowly' status if we are so genetically predisposed that we must not be able to 'learn' our way out of it? What should we do? Mass suicide?

    Answer away, if you can manage it. And do so with intelligence.

  49. @ Anon 7:45AM:

    There is a difference between saying 'blacks are better athletes/have more rhythm' and saying 'blacks are less intelligent'.

    This, too, is a simple concept. Very simple.

    The former are based upon physiology. The latter is based upon tests created by white westerners (whites IQ = 100 which is the average for humans? How convenient!), geared toward men and their abilities (women come up as less intelligent), and the Pioneer Fund pseudoscience.

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1271

    (The Bell Curve took research from the Pioneer Fund, a racist organization that will give hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone willing to qualify/quantify alleged racial differences. They are a SPLC-labeled hate group.)

    Many white basketball players may have the build of a black player but they are less good because they lack confidence. The physiology is there. Likewise there are many white people who can dance, and blacks you cannot (I can't!).

    However, more blacks have a physiology more advantageous for most sports than whites do. The build is different.

    We are all alike on the inside. Sports ability is one tiny facet of the human. A thin person is more capable of doing activity than a fat person. It's a simple concept! Tall people, short people. Dark skin is better in the sun than light skin; light skin is better in a cold climate than dark.

    These are physical!

    Pioneer Fund-esque intelligence measurements/data have been widely panned and widely shown to be mutable when certain variables are changed or introduced. The literature is there, and I don't believe it is political correctness. The literature admonishing these hereditary models don't call the researchers' results lies, they just provide context and suggest applications that would influence the results in other directions. Read the literature with an open-mind so you won't talk out of your ass.

    Asian countries stress rigor for all, they don't say a person is incapable or had ADD/ADHD so they 'can't' learn it. That's why they are not failures.

    I'm telling you this not to convince you; I'm just letting you know fact will always beat emotions, and racism is emotional.

    @ Dissident:

    I will not make a list. You make a list. Let SBPDL make one. He seems to enjoy those types of things anyway, and I'm sure you will find his palatable.

    I think you have to understand that black opportunity was limited until recently. You cannot expect 500 years worth of advancement to occur in a little over 50. Come on.

    I will name one, though: the Civil Rights movement. You may disagree that it was beneficial to society but it was. It's criminal to have a group of people live in a land that they helped build like borders. It's a crime against humanity.

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I agree that 5:32 is a good post.

    To this:

    However, the more educated blacks that I have encountered are almost ready with a smirking excuse for the worst of their kind–endorsing the antisocial ghetto behaviors, at the same time knowing that they, because of their African heritage, will likely not be on the victim-end of such barbarism. This permanent "pass" issued by the black "upper" class to the black underclass puts them all in the same cesspool in my eyes.

    I would add that in addition to making excuses for these pathologies that even the educated blacks for the most part harbor all kinds of anti white BS.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "The former are based upon physiology."

    So what? If you believe that blacks are superior athletes, then you believe that blacks are superior. That makes you a racist.

    "The latter is based upon tests created by white westerners"

    Yet Asians with very little English skills outscore both American whites and blacks.

    Seriously, how many times are you going to repeat this tiresome, nonsensical argument?

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "The latter is based upon tests created by white westerners"

    The entire world IQ research community has spent the last 50 years trying to develop an IQ test showing all races to be equal, yet such a test still has not been created.

    Results remain remarkably consistent with East Asians scoring highest, and blacks scoring lowest.

  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "Many white basketball players may have the build of a black player but they are less good because they lack confidence."

    So now you're also saying that blacks have superior confidence. You're quite a racist.

    How many more ways do you believe that blacks are superior?

  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The idiot Desiree, was asked to make a list of "significant advancements thanks to blacks"

    So she offers up an "advancement" that was made by idiotic (though well-meaning) Whites – the civil rights movement. This woman is unbelievably stupid.

    The civil rights movement was the beginning of the end of this country. It forever took away our God given right to associate with whomever we wanted. It forced the unnatural, and completely false, idea of "equality" on us. It forced us to associate with savages, to do business with them, to have them sit next to, and terrorize, our children in their schools.

    The only example this stupid woman could find of something worthwhile that blacks did, was not only NOT done by blacks, but horrifically destructive to civilization.

  55. "We are all alike on the inside."

    Then why are blacks significantly more likely to get sickle cell, while whites are virtually immune? And why does cystic fibrosis disproportionately affect whites?

    How many times are you going to repeat these easily refuted arguments?

  56. So Diarrhea says that we're all alike on the inside, but whites have less confidence???

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  57. Black sprinters routinely run 100 meters in less than 10 seconds, however, there has never been a single white sprinter in history to break the 10-second barrier.

    I guess Diarrhea will explain it's all because white sprinters have less confidence.

  58. "the Pioneer Fund, a racist organization"

    Racist…racist…racist…blame-whitey…blame-whitey…blame-whitey…repeat…repeat…repeat…

    Just like a broken record.

  59. If we're "all alike on the inside," black woman, then why can race be determined by skeletal remains? If our bones and skin and genetic susceptibility to inherited diseases are different, why can you not see (aside from your genetically/racially-based lack of intelligence) that so, too, our brains are different? These are all physiological differences. Whether you believe they are the result of "evolution" or "planned design of a Creator" is irrelevant; they EXIST. Your continued denial of all other things rational is merely a continuance of your denial of basic racial realities. I realize my post, like most others, will fall on deaf ears: you do not merely lack the will to hear and understand, you lack the inherited biological intellectual ability to do so. Unlike your "Reductio ad Absurdam," it is a case of "Quod Erat Demonstrandum."

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "You fool. I answered. What does every American want? If you cannot provide an answer to this question, you are un-American!"

    You sillies, blacks want what all "Americans" want–a really good looking "white" spouse. And they would have one if you whities weren't such bigots and racists.

  61. @Seito

    "The former are based upon physiology. The latter is based upon tests created by white westerners (whites IQ = 100 which is the average for humans? How convenient!), geared toward men and their abilities (women come up as less intelligent), and the Pioneer Fund pseudoscience"

    Since these tests are created by white males, I'm assuming that their cultural bias means that they generally not only outscore blacks, but other non-white minorities like Asians. You can perpetrate this fraud, but just make sure to keep mentioning anecdotal evidence from your own life; the Asians at Desiree's school don't seem so smart, thus all the G-MAT, SAT, PSAT, etc. tests are negated.

    "(The Bell Curve took research from the Pioneer Fund, a racist organization that will give hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone willing to qualify/quantify alleged racial differences. They are a SPLC-labeled hate group.)"

    Well Shucks, the SPLC is a non-partisan group without an agenda, so maybe we should listen to them, right? What they do have, however, is something that no other non-profit can boast. An off-shore Cayman Islands bank account, and close to one-quarter of a billion dollars in verifiable funds:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/26/923486/-Southern-Poverty-Law-Centers-Cayman-Islands-bank-account.

    "You cannot expect 500 years worth of advancement to occur in a little over 50. Come on."

    The problem with this one is that you get the same intelligence/crime rate pyramid in countries that do not have the same history as the United States. France did most of its hostile intervention in Algeria, which consists overwhelmingly of Arabs and Berbers, who are not black, and who do not score as low on tests as blacks despite privation.

    We used our nuclear arsenal twice on Japan, but nothing could reduce the Japanese to pre-civilization status of blacks outside of dense urban centers in Africa like Johannisburg. No natural disaster, either a massive earthquake like the one in Kobe, Japan (or the one happening now) could reduce the Japanese to the kinds of pathology you saw in Katrina.

  62. "generalizing based on negative experience"–which is also known as "common sense."

  63. "What should we do? Mass suicide?"

    From your fingertips to God's ears.

  64. "Asian countries stress rigor for all, they don't say a person is incapable or had ADD/ADHD so they 'can't' learn it. That's why they are not failures."

    Asian countries don't have black people, that is why they are not failures. Duh.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "I think you have to understand that black opportunity was limited until recently."

    Black people are supposedly the oldest "culture" in the world. But their opportunity was limited until recently? How is that?

    2000 years ago, the Romans built great architecture, and Africans lived in huts made of feces and straw.

    Today, Africans live in huts made out of feces and straw.

    Africans infesting America live in houses paid for by whitey.

  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "the Asians at Desiree's school don't seem so smart, thus all the G-MAT, SAT, PSAT, etc. tests are negated"

    Really smart students of all races, but especially Asians, can and do got to better schools than Diarrhea's school. I don't know the current stats, but in 2009, UNLV only barely cracked the top 500; I am not impressed.

  67. I can't believe none of you pointed out the fact the she said:

    "Many white basketball players may have the build of a black player…"

    Then contradicts herself 2 sentences later with:

    "The build is different. "

  68. 2000 years ago, the Romans built great architecture, and Africans lived in huts made of feces and straw.

    More than 4000 years ago, the Cretans lived in palaces, worked bronze, and commanded fleets of ships.

    The intellectual chasm between Caucasians and blacks is almost unthinkably vast. Blacks are a third-world people, now and forever; to live in a first-world nation is to be a failure. How could it be otherwise?

  69. SBPDL Lawrence Auster just posted something about the Japanese and their natural disaster VS the reaction to blacks in Katrina — http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/018863.html

    PLEASE post on it? THANK YOU! Appreciate the discussion.

  70. Good grief. The Pacers v. Pistons brawl was disgusting, and very illustrative of thug "values": not allowing a slight (physical or verbal) for any reason, explosive anger, physicality FIRST/thinking LAST. What ever happened to sportsmanship?

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I like the last part about:

    "So what is the important lesson we should glean from this? It is that Black people see nothing wrong with their behavior; it is that Black people love being Black no matter the effects such behavior has on how people perceive them."

    Sort of proves the point, that that's how the rest of the world views America as a nation. Too bad, that racism is such an issue that black and white Americans don't even see the truth…they all have the same issues, they just deal with them differently.

    For the record, this is my second favorite site, that deals with racism on the earth, you have to catch up though to #1 – http://whitewatch.info/

    Good Luck.

  72. How does the rest of the world view America as a nation? I don't think 6 billion people would think exactly alike. That's more of a black thing.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "I'll help: we want good schools with high-quality teachers; safe neighborhoods free of riff-raff; honest leaders; tax dollars going to good use, etc. Quintessentially American 'wants'. None of this has anything to do with Blame Whitey. I think it's well-deserved for all American citizens".

    Desiree, you exemplify everything that is wrong with your pathetic subspecies of protohominids. All I see is "want, want, want", and I *can't* find word one about responsibility, and what you're doing to make this happen.

    The taxpayers of Kansas gave *A Billion* dollars for good schools, complete with Olympic swimming pools, planetariums, fully functional courtrooms for moot court exercises.

    The black kids pulled their usual monkey shines: "no go" zones within the schools where non-black kids quickly learned not to tread were established. Disruptions in class, violence in the corridors. Stolen computers, the moot courtrooms stripped of their sound equipment. These new schools were thoroughly trashed in no time.

    We send high quality teachers into predominantly black schools. The only time these teachers hear from the parents of their students is when they employ even the mildest of discipline. Then they confront an angry, chimp out from the mammy: "Muh chile ain't dun nuffinz! You beez ray ciss! Aham gunna suuuuuuuu!" Within a few years, these high quality teachers are completely burnt out. They either decide to become time servers, collect that paycheck, and do nothing to rock the boat. Or they leave the profession completely.

    You say you want safe neighborhoods free of riff-raff. However, the word in the 'hood is: "Snitches get stitches". After the bullets stop flying, cops canvassing for witnesses hear nothing but: "Dint saw nuffins". The cops never get called about those drug dealers hawking their wares on the street corner, in broad daylight. Increase patrols, and they complain about "occupation". Let the cops back off, and it's "they don't care about black people". May be you want safer neighborhoods, but you won't lift a finger to make even your own neighborhoods safer.

    "Honest leaders": Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton — more than enough said.

    "I think it's well-deserved for all American citizens".

    Translation: Gimme, gimme, gimme — without an iota of effort, without even a scintilla of personal responsibility.

    In other terms: TNB

  74. Black sprinters routinely run 100 meters in less than 10 seconds, however, there has never been a single white sprinter in history to break the 10-second barrier.

    Christian Lemaitre
    Patrick Johnson

  75. This whole discussion and article is horrible and stupid. Made by white racist. You say blacks ruin everything they touch? You have no mid at all.

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