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Jimmer Fredette scoring yet again in a BYU game
Jimmer Fredette scoring yet again in a BYU game

Basketball, as Bill Simmons makes clear in his tome The Big Book of Basketball , is a Black sport. Time magazine wrote this in 1977:

Nearly 65% of National Basketball Association players are blacks. Says Jerry West, the former superstar who is now coach of the Los Angeles Lakers: “When I first came into the league [in 1960], it was just starting to turn into a black league. And let’s face it. This is a black league now.”

The growing black dominance in sports is evident in college athletics too. During the recent N.C.A.A. basketball playoffs, for example, Champion Marquette and Contenders Michigan and University of Nevada at Las Vegas each had only one white in their starting lineups. In N.C.A.A. football, most of 1976’s top-ranked teams were loaded with black stars—in numbers far out of proportion to the percentage of black students on campus.

Black dominance in basketball (and the slow integration of college football, which became a rampaging flood) led to the destruction of the idea of white supremacy. The notion of a starting lineup of only white players as a viable option was destroyed when Texas Western (starting five Blacks) defeated lily-white Kentucky in the 1966 NCAA finals. Coached by Adolph Rupp, Kentucky’s all-white team would undergo one of the fatal blows against white supremacy that might prove fatal. This is how Sports Illustrated remembered the game in 25 years after the fact:

Apparently, though, Rupp could see the forest for the trees. Midway through the 1965-66 season he halted practice and gathered his undefeated Rupp’s Runts—no starter was taller than 6’5″—around him. He told them about the college basketball poll he’d seen in that morning’s newspaper. “Boys,” Rupp said in his scratchy Kansas twang, “when you go home tonight, I want you to look long and hard at these rankings. One. Two. Three. Kentucky, Duke, Vanderbilt. All from the South. And all white. Read it and remember. You’ll never see it happen again.”

Five years after College Park, a 7’1″ black player named Tom Payne suited up for Rupp and Kentucky. Seven years after College Park, Alabama-George Wallace, governor—started five black players. In the 1980s, 82 of the 100 starters in the NCAA championship game were black. Indeed, from 1982 through ’85, only one first-stringer on a national champion was white, Matt Doherty of North Carolina. Twenty-five years after College Park, 19 of the 20 starters on the four top-seeded teams in the 1991 tournament—UNLV, Ohio State, Arkansas and North Carolina—are black. The lone white player is Pete Chilcutt of North Carolina.

The point of these numbers, the best moral of all, is that after Texas Western rose to the cusp of a revolution, the denouement was so swift and total that it was hardly noticed. Now college basketball is all Harry’s brothers.

The 2010 NCAA Tournament was one for the ages, with Butler and Duke providing a championship for the ages with seven or eight white guys on the floor the majority of the game. Basketball fans hate Duke, primarily for the team’s whiteness in an almost endless Black sea of hoops stars that Predominately White Institutions trot out.

The Orlando Sentinel published an article in 2009 stating that NCAA Tournament teams had a lack of white players, though research from our good friend Richard Lapchick continues to show that those white players graduate at a much higher rate than Black basketball players. Why is that?

That same paper published a story detailing how the University of Florida has become a haven for white basketball players, where the thug culture so prevalent on most college teams is filtered with a safety net of fellow melanin-deficient athletes to pal around with:

But one thing is obvious: White players can feel as if they belong at Florida. Billy Donovan has cultivated an environment for the white player to flourish. Florida forward Chandler Parsons said he evaluated the white-player track record of schools when he was being recruited in 2007.

“You look at any school in the past that has had a white guy do well,”Parsons said. “If you’re a white recruit, you look at that stuff. But you really want to look at a school that fits your style of play. All black, all white, all Spanish, doesn’t matter as long as you can flourish in that system.”

That the two big sports – basketball and football – are dominated by Black athletes mean the lone white guys in locker rooms require instant bonding. Just ask Peyton Hillis what he experienced in the 2010 NFL season. When a white player dominates a sport that Blacks have for so long presided over, you’re bound to see resentment from Black athletes.

Enter the next great white hope in basketball, Brigham Young scoring sensation Jimmer Fredette. Sports Illustrated once asked where the white athlete went and wrote these dismissive words:

Most kids, black and white, report that coaches generally are the ones who encourage positional segregation. But Mater Dei’s Rollinson often encounters white parents who won’t consider that their child might be good enough to play a “black” position at the college level. He says these parents see their son lining up at cornerback or wide receiver and say, “He’ll never make it because he’s not black.” Rollinson tries to tell them their boy runs a 4.5 40-yard dash and has great hands, but they don’t want to hear it. “They come right back and say, ‘Don’t give me that BYU story,’ ” Rollinson says.

Brigham Young is perhaps the most prominent exception to the black domination of sports. Relying almost exclusively on white talent, the Mormon school has fielded teams that have continually competed at the highest level. The football team sits perennially in the Top 20, making an occasional run at a national title. The basketball team has won 15 Western Athletic Conference titles, made 17 NCAA tournament appearances and produced a dozen All-Americas, and for a week in 1987 it held the No. 2 ranking in the country—yet the Cougars have never started more than one black. “I don’t think I had ever played on or against an all-white team,” says Van Horn, the former Ute. “When we played BYU, it was strange.”

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The paucity of African-American players on BYU teams has worked against them. “We haven’t had the quickness that a black student-athlete has,” says Roger Reid, a Cougars basketball coach for 19 years, seven of them as head coach. Nevertheless, BYU has beaten predominantly black teams from such schools as UCLA, Notre Dame and Virginia. The Cougars have defeated black teams that started games thinking that when push came to shove, their own athletic superiority would tell. San Diego Padres out-fielder Tony Gwynn learned this. As a junior point guard in 1980 he went to Provo, Utah, with his San Diego State team and got beaten badly. “Those BYU guys were flying through the air, jumping over guys, getting rebounds, and that’s the first time I thought, These guys are really athletic,” Gwynn says. “Our whole club was shocked.”

Perhaps it fitting that Ferdette, college basketball’s leading scorer – a modern day version of Pistol Pete Maravich – had one of his best games of the season against that same San Diego State team. Scoring 43 points and leading a BYU team that had 4 or 5 players on the court at all time against an all-Black San Diego State squad, Ferdette dominated the game.But it is his race that has sports writers questioning whether he can compete at the next level:

From everywhere on the floor, Fredette is a relentless, ferocious scorer. His range stretches far beyond the 3-point line, and his deftness with the ball – not to mention his toughness – gets him to the basket and the free-throw line. He’s scoring in the 30s, the 40s on some nights – averaging a nation-best 27.4 points per game – and perhaps it’s so amazing because people just don’t see that coming from a 6-foot-2 Mormon out of upstate New York. There’s no debating Fredette’s greatness as a collegiate scorer, but most fascinating is projecting what kind of pro player he’ll be.

Conversations with multiple NBA general managers and scouts who’ve tracked Fredette’s progress result in one consensus: Almost no one agrees on anything. Perhaps there’s something about a white guard with American roots which causes such prejudging, stereotyping and skepticism to abound. Perhaps there’s something about a white guard with American roots which causes such rooting interest and overhype. People are forever trying to pin Fredette into a neat little comparative box. Most agree he could top out in the late lottery around 12 or 13 but probably won’t last past the mid-20s.

It’s funny how Fredette draws comparisons to Gonzaga’s Adam Morrison(notes) and Duke’s J.J. Redick(notes). They don’t play so much like him, but they sure are white guys. Thirty years ago, the best player in BYU history, Danny Ainge, would’ve been the highest-drafted player in school history had he told NBA teams he preferred pro basketball over pro baseball. He was a different athlete than Fredette – bigger, faster and more suited for the pro game. For whatever it was worth, there was no shortage of comparable players in the NBA.

“I was a guy who could run, had good speed, and never in my college career did anyone question my athleticism,” Ainge said. “If I wasn’t playing baseball, I would’ve certainly been one of the top five or six picks. I don’t think anyone in the NBA was thinking about that with me or Doug Collins. We were bigger. We were athletic.”

Fredette has been unstoppable this year, shooting the ball with a precision normally reserved for automatons on an assembly line, though an attempt at a breakaway slam dunk become fodder for ESPN analysts who pointed out that white guys really can’t jump.But they sure can shoot lights out.

Where is the diversity?
Where is the diversity?

BYU is chastised for its lack of diversity constantly, as this Sports Illustrated article on University of Utah football coach Kyle Whittingham attacked the school for being, well, too white:

To get them there, Utah recruiters often must battle preconceived notions about the state. Before senior Shaky Smithson became a star returner at Utah (he leads the nation in punt returns, with 23.3 yards per touch), he was a star receiver and returner at East Los Angeles Community College. He was guarded when Utah’s coaches first tried to woo him. He had visited a friend in Provo and been turned off by its lack of diversity. Persuaded that Salt Lake was different, Smithson took a visit. “It was a big eye-opener,” he says. “Lot of restaurants, lot of clubs. There’s a lot to do here, and the people, they accept you with open arms.”

While BYU remains one of the nation’s most monochromatic teams, Whittingham takes pleasure in pointing out that his is “the most diverse program in the country.” A third of the Utes are white, a third African-American, a third Polynesian. Half are Mormon. Some are married, and some are married with children. “The beautiful thing about this team,” Bergstrom says, “is that we’re diverse, yet we can make fun of our differences and nobody gets upset about it.”

If you are a parent reading this who has a talented white son that excels at football or basketball, consider sending them out west to schools like Colorado State, BYU, the Air Force Academy, Wyoming, Boise State, Montana (Division FCS), Rice, Stanford or a university that will play white athletes and offer a program such as Florida basketball does.

Go where white players get the chance to play . The Southeastern Conference (SEC) equals 12 PWI schools (all with more than 85 percent white enrollment) that have football teams comprised of more than 65 percent Black athletes in football and 85 percent in basketball. Do they graduate? Who cares as long as they win games and championships!

If your kids play baseball, well, every college baseball program is overwhelmingly white.

When you breakdown the decline of the United States, sports offer a direct window into how small, incremental changes through integration allowed positive images of Black people to percolate slowly into the white American mind. We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: sports offer the primary positive examples of Black people in America. Jimmer and other talented white athletes threaten these images by showing that white players can compete at levels at or exceeding the talent of Black players.

Now when sports fans see Jimmer Ferdette of BYU dominating a basketball game, they immediately laugh at his talents because they have conditioned to believe the only legitimate form of basketball is played by Black players.

They experience a form of cognitive dissonance watching a white guy perform at levels that exceed that of even the best Black player. Because, after all, basketball is a Black man’s game.

Just don’t tell that to Jimmer. Or Peyton Hillis.

Stuff Black People Don’t Like includes Jimmer Fredette, yet another great white hope in basketball who will be surrounded by nine or ten Black players on his NBA team that will undoubtedly treat him like Pistol Pete was by the Hawks.

You can bet the Utah Jazz will try and draft him.

Until then, he provides every white sports fan with an image of what white basketball actually looks like.

(Republished from SBPDL by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Jimmer and other talented white athletes threaten these images by showing that white players can compete at levels at or exceeding the talent of Black players.

    First of all, LOL at the name 'Jimmer'. I remember people dissing the names Quarneisha and Ty'Quial in another thread but 'Jimmer' is pretty bad, too…

    Secondly, a couple of lone 'talented' (notice quotation marks) white basketball players are not going to change the fact black people are generally inherently better than whites at sports, maybe except swimming, where a strongly muscular body is less advantageous.

    What do you people always say on this site about intelligent black people?

    "Oh, yeah, well there is a talented tenth but they by no means change the reality of (so-called) black 'failure'."

    If you are going to apply that logic to blacks and success, apply it evenly to everything. So when using it, you should acknowledge that this means 'Jimmer' (LOL) is only a fluke and will not alter the undeniable: black people are better at sports than whites, especially at basketball.

    Get it? 😉

  2. BYU has an Honor Code. All students must sign and observe the Honor Code.

    Here it is:

    "Be honest
    Live a chaste and virtuous life
    Obey the law and all campus policies
    Use clean language
    Respect others
    Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse
    Participate regularly in church services
    Observe the Dress and Grooming Standards
    Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code"

    With a mere 52 words they've just eliminated 99.99% of the groids in this country.

    GOD BLESS BYU!

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Desiree,

    Jimmer is probably a variant of Jim, which is a variant of James. What biblical name is Quarneisha a variant of?

    "black people are better at sports than whites"

    Four biggest sports leagues in USA: NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL

    Basketball and Football, Blacks habs it.

    Baseball and Hockey, Whites have it.

    There are more sports than swimming in which Whites are superior, btw.

    Christophe Lemaitre is my white hope come 2012 olympics in 100m sprinting.

  4. "First of all, LOL at the name 'Jimmer'."

    LOL at what a fucking idiot you are. His name is Jimmy, his nickname is "The Jimmer".

    You are so pathetic.

  5. "black people are generally inherently better than whites at sports, maybe except swimming, where a strongly muscular body is less advantageous."

    Whites dominate swimming, wrestling, weightlifting, hockey, golf, gymnastics, tennis, cycling, martial arts, rugby, volleyball, etc etc etc…
    You dumb fucking whore.

  6. Hey Desiree,

    Larry Ellison
    Bill Gates
    Steve Jobs
    Steve Ballmer
    Richard Branson

    I guess us honkeys can be good at being billionaires though, can't we?

  7. Desiree said:

    "black people are better at sports than whites"

    Wow!

    So, let me get this straight:

    You believe blacks have superior physical capabilities, and those 'superior' capabilities are a function of race!?

    In other words: no matter the strength of effort put forth by a white athlete, he can never match or exceed the natural endowments of his black contemporary.

    My god, Desiree … you are a walking contradiction – a racist contradiction.

    If superior athleticism is a function of race, as you so eloquently asserted, then, is it out of the realm of possibility for you to acknowledge that superior intelligence is a function of the same?

    How do you reconcile the contradictions in every post you have made in regard to race and capability?

    I'll be expecting a well-thought response from you, Desiree, one of a convincing nature.

    And, by the way, if blacks are superior athletes, why, then, do African nations [fail] to dominate the Olympics?

    I'll be expecting a well-thought response to the above question, too.

    Desiree also said:

    "a couple of lone 'talented' (notice quotation marks) white basketball players are not going to change the fact black people are generally inherently better than whites at sports"

    Again: WOW.

    Let me reconstruct …

    "a couple of lone 'intelligent' (notice quotation marks) black astronauts are not going to change the fact that white people are inherently intellectually superior to blacks"

    Walking contradiction, Desiree, walking contradiction.

  8. Jimmer is probably a variant of Jim, which is a variant of James. What biblical name is Quarneisha a variant of?

    Jimmer is still a bastardization of a so-called normal name like Jim/James, as bad as so-called 'ghetto' names. This is unavoidable fact. Jimmer is a stupid name; it's not unique or creative like Ty'Quial (ty-QUELL). It just sounds like his mother and father were rednecks.

    Many 'ghetto' names are bastardizations of Swahili names. The languages of the Bible were Semitic; no Quarneishas would be found.

    If you can find someone in the Bible called Jimmer, please cite the scripture. Otherwise, Jimmer is seriously just a dumb name; if it was up to me, all men would have numbers. Biologically, they just aren't important…

    As for sports, I am not a sports fan at all but I do like basketball, playing it and watching it, especially during Playoffs. White basketball players SUCK! My voice goes hoarse yelling at their stupidity. Steve Nash was pissing me off with every beautiful 3-point shot last year but that's all he has, really. Blah, it's about defense. What I'm saying is, flukes are not going to end this succession of crappy or one-trick-pony white players. And how would Jimmer (LOL) come up against Michael Jordan?

    Even Kobe Bryant, who I LOVE, is not as good as MJ.

    This is a pipe dream for SBPDL. He's fighting a losing battle. All of the sports, save swimming, for which blacks are underrepresented, would probably be on the List of Sports We Kick Ass In if given the opportunity.

    Sports aren't everything, though. I don't get why SBPDL can't just let this lie. Sad. And delusional… You're over-egging the white supremacy pudding, SBPDL.

  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @ Desiree. Blacks arent better than whites at Sports.

    People of West African descent are built for speed and power. Hence Jamaica whipping everyone in the 100M. People of East Africa are built for long distance running.

    West Africans in a marathon and East Africans in a sprint wouldnt work very well.

    White people are a medium between the two.

    If "Blacks" as a homogeneous group are superior why was the 2006 Basketball world cup final contested between Spain and Greece. Why didn't the big blacks blitz the Greeks in the Semis and the Spanish in the final?

  10. Disarray wrote:

    First of all, LOL at the name 'Jimmer'. I remember people dissing the names Quarneisha and Ty'Quial in another thread but 'Jimmer' is pretty bad, too…

    Correct. Jimmer is a bad name; no argument there.


    Secondly, a couple of lone 'talented' (notice quotation marks) white basketball players are not going to change the fact black people are generally inherently better than whites at sports, maybe except swimming, where a strongly muscular body is less advantageous.

    That *could* be true, and if it is, I have no problem with it or even saying it. However, I wouldn't necessarily brag about such a fact. Black people need to excel at more than just rapping and playing sports, and it could also be because white and asian people spend significantly more time working on a broader range of life skills other than trying to perfect a 3-point throw or find words that rhyme with "heezy" and "sheezy". You know, stuff like inventing the airplane…discovering electricity…creating a rocket to get to the Moon…inventing the Internet…blackberry…IPhone…indoor plumbing…television…blu-ray….all the stuff that makes our lives a bit easier and more interesting.

    What do you people always say on this site about intelligent black people?

    "Oh, yeah, well there is a talented tenth but they by no means change the reality of (so-called) black 'failure'."

    Again, no argument there. However, your continued bragging about being dominant in sports is distressing; I realize that's about the only area that black Americans are excelling in at the moment, but why don't you challenge your community to be #1 in mathematics and science and quantum physics? #1 in deep sea exploration? #1 in least amount of crimes committed? #1 in least amount of illegitimate babies? #1 in least amount of AIDS cases?

    It's like you conquered sports and then decided to give up on all other pursuits in life.

  11. Mormons do have weird names, but unlike "ghetto" names and areas where people with the latter reside, Utah is one of the most vibrant, economically successful states in the union.

    The NSA is putting a new security center in Utah because of the high rate of intelligence, language skills and sense of honor and duty BYU, Utah, Utah State and Mormons in general display.

    http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/011011-nsa-breaks-ground.html

    It's a shame that the center wasn't built in Clayton County, Jefferson County or Prince George's County. Gosh, or even Detroit.

    As OneSTDV pointed out, Utah flourishes in spite of its lack of diversity.

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/12/utah-flourishes-despite-all-those.html

    So yes, Mormons have weird first-names, but I think most people would rather live around Mormons then in the ghetto or Black areas where people with names that Freakonomics poked fun at reside.

    http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2008/08/25/creative_black_names

    http://www.slate.com/id/2116449/

  12. Perhaps Marion Berry spoke too soon when he said "All Laws are racist. The law of gravity is racist." For if gravity were truly racist, how do you explain black dominance of the slam dunk competition?

    But I do believe America's greatest black mayor (aside from King Kwame) was telling the truth when he proclaimed: "The bitch set me up."

    But let this post serve as an informative one. Rather than carrying mace at night, women should carry Spalding basketballs. If a black male attempts to assault her, she can flash the ball to her would-be assailant, and his amygdala will be short-circuited. Q. How does one stop five black guys from raping a white woman? A: Throw 'em a basketball.

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Although some blacks may be better at sports than some Whites – the anecdotal data suggests they may have an edge in football and basketbrawl only, as Whites have been systematically excluded from both of those over the years in order to placate black people; most remaining sports, as has been stated here, are NOT dominated by blacks -the whole thing is reducible to this: at the end of the day, they're still just black, and continue to contribute to civilization what they always have. Nothing.

    Joe

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Desiree, why would Ty'Quial's mama spell his name that way for a hospital Labor and Delivery nurse who is creating a birf certificate when the pronunciation, as you have told us (twice), is Ty'Quell? Is Ty'Quial a traditional black name that is always pronounced in a manner different from how it looks phonetically, or are you just able to intuitively know what a low IQ mother was actually thinking when she went and stigmatized her son for life by branding him with a moniker that warns all white people who he happens to encounter "I was born to an illiterate half wit sperm receptacle and learned everything I know in a place where being named Ty'Quial is considered normal"?

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, that's why when you watch the Worlds Strongest Man competitions you see almost all caucasions. Mostly descendants of the vikings, the most powerful men on earth. When all you have are some decent genetics for physical activity, and low IQ inhibiting mental aspirations in regard to employment, coupled with the "golden ticket" lie that most blacks can get into pro sports if they want, there's no wonder you see blacks in large numbers packing sports. If all you did everyday is play basketball/football or whatever, of course you would expect to be pretty good at it. Just see the old soviet bloc and how they turned out superior (caucasion!) athletes. They saw potential at a young age and let it blossom resulting in a dominant athletic performance. Just take Dezzie: She spouts overheated broken-record victimhood and through much self delusion and practice has become a champion of spewing crap.

  16. LOL ahh Desiree the enjoyable field negress of SBPDL. Keep flapping your mouth it only furthers our pleasure.

  17. The funny thing is that all of you are still discussing lone instances of capable white athletes. In general, blacks seem to be better. I think most people know this. It's only the white supremacists that argue with this fact because they just have to be good at everything, everything. This is SBPDL's folly…

    Whites dominate swimming, wrestling, weightlifting, hockey, golf, gymnastics, tennis, cycling, martial arts, rugby, volleyball, etc etc etc…

    I think I already referred to this: "This is a pipe dream for SBPDL. He's fighting a losing battle. All of the sports, save swimming, for which blacks are underrepresented, would probably be on the List of Sports We Kick Ass In if given the opportunity."

    The same goes for Olympics. These African countries are POOR and disorganized. Maybe if they had nationalized training programs, they could pump out very disciplined and very dominant athletes. Too bad not; we would kill it.

    Unlike sports, where you can see the body move and actually measure ability without voodoo, all of this intelligence business is still questionable, and while there are so-called 'stats' out there demonstrating what you people like to believe, many people question the methodology of how one gets to this data, not mention state how to get different data for blacks if the children lived in better environments.

    No one is debating the sports thing, though. Except you people. Percy Kittens mentioned he has some blacks kids he'd adopted who are excelling. He didn't screen their IQs or got lucky. He put them in an environment that allowed them to grow. This is what all black kids need. I had it, Percy's kids have it, everyone can have it if we ensure equality of opportunity.

    As for Ty'Quial, I actually was guessing about the way it sounds. If I am correct about it's pronunciation, his mother is pretty stupid. But, for all I know, it really could be ty-QWEE-al… Still better than Jimmer, though.

    😉

  18. Disarray,

    What is a white guy surrounded by 5 black guys?

    A basketball coach.

    What is a white guy surrounded by 10 black guys?

    A quarter back.

    What is a white guy surrounded by 5000 black guys?

    A prison warden!

  19. "The same goes for Olympics. These African countries are POOR and disorganized."

    Wow, the same is true for every organization, business, city, state or country run by black people world wide.
    Thank you for pointing this out, Desiree. This explains so much for me.

  20. @ Hirsch:

    Q. How does one stop five black guys from raping a white woman? A: Throw 'em a basketball.

    And what's the answer if five white guys are raping a white woman, which happens leaps and bounds more often than the former? Throw them a TI-83 and a physics book? No, because most white guys aren't that smart, like most people.

    Whereas a black guy will stop at a basketball (thanks for letting us now that, Hirsch), a white guy won't stop, will he? Because most of them are not good at anything, in spite of articles like this one here. We all saw the Accused.

    (We all know the humble white masses like to take credit for everything one of their member's do, except if it's bad. White people who took in Michael Oher? Proof that all whites are kind and sweet. Jimmer can jump? All whiteys can jump now. LOL–doesn't work that way…)

    Is it me or do white men/people only care about white women when they are raped by minority men? (Obviously the Runaway Bride Jennifer Wilbanks knew she'd get sympathy if she said she was kidnapped/attacked by a Hispanic man.) The white female organizers of the Take Back the Night rallies are victims of white men above and beyond.

    Do they not get any love, Hirsch? Shame on you. Wake up. Black men and white women mingle more than black women and white men, and the former victims are just victims of acquaintance rapes, as would be black women if they mingled more with white guys, which they don't because black women don't like white men…

    Hirsch, I thought you were smart? What's going on?!

    (Will this comment survive the filtering guantlet, SBPDL? He started it.)

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "He put them in an environment that allowed them to grow. This is what all black kids need. I had it, Percy's kids have it, everyone can have it if we ensure equality of opportunity."

    LOL, WTF??

    So….. you are actually saying that black children should be removed from their black mothers and "put" into smart majority white and culturally white environments? Blacks cannot excel in black communities? Whites need to create environments for blacks in order for them to excel??????

    To remove black children completely from black culture is the only way to "allow them to grow"?

    Black culture is not as equally "enriching" as white culture? Blacks will fail if segregated from whites??

    Equality of opportunity cannot be found unless blacks are exposed to whites?

    What about the stigma of "acting white" in the black community? How are you going to exorcise this demon?

    Blacks hold THEMSELVES back. Blacks hold their CHILDREN back. Blacks beat down any other black who tries to express individuality and break free from the black collective.
    Blacks are remedial by nature and unable to function or compete in white society without handouts and special-ed.

    You are so full of horse shit Desiree. Do you even thing about things before you start spewing your ignorance?

  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "He put them in an environment that allowed them to grow. This is what all black kids need. I had it, Percy's kids have it, everyone can have it if we ensure equality of opportunity."

    Why can black kids not excel in good school systems all over the country? Can you explain this? Black have low test scores even when they are given equal opportunities. You are playing a broken record. Already tried this. Like most blacks, you are demanding equal OUTCOME not equal OPPORTUNITY. Black have every opportunity under the sun and they still can not cut it.

    Even when they are "put" into a good environment blacks fail miserably. The failure is because of low IQ, low intelligence, and the limitations of the black race.

  23. Desi said… "if it was up to me, all men would have numbers."

    Most black men already do. And, I don't mean sports jerseys.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Disarray, you really are, like the vast majority of your brethren, stupid. Yes Disarray, if, with regards to the Olympics, the "African countries are POOR and disorganized. Maybe if they had nationalized training programs, they could pump out very disciplined and very dominant athletes. Too bad not; we would kill it". That will never happen, will it, Disarray? Wherever your people are in the world, they are poor and disorganized. It is the result of having embarrassingly low IQs. They cannot help but soil their nest and live like baboons. They do not have the intellectual capacity for organization. You feel and act, we think and act.
    Yet sadly, one must have something to be proud of. For blacks, it can only be their prowess in certain sports and their uncontrollable, animalistic libido. While whites excel at all they do, cling to these, Disarray, they are all you have. Like most blacks, you are incapable of intelligence thought, reason, embarrassment and shame. You truly are sub-human. One day you will be banished from our midst. We will soar, you will descend into primordial chaos. Enjoy it. You are not capable or deserving of anything better.

    Northlander

  25. "…African countries are POOR and disorganized…"

    -An Idiot

    Aaaah! So it's MONEY! I knew there was an answer! But wait. Haven't we spent billions in this country trying to get that IQ to move from "85" up to "86", without success?

    Joe

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    HA,HA! So you Moon Crickets readily accept blacks are typically superior athletes because of genetic differences, but REFUSE to accept that white people are typically better governors because of genetic differences. Pick a card, Sambo! Pick a card, boy!!

    Ya'll better get ready … stock up on your malt liquors and your moon pies because the Chinese are cashing in their chips and if you think the Pale-faced, white-devils are bastards, wait until you get a load of Chinese up you asses.

    There is a scene in Schindler's List where a bunch of Jews are waiting in line and the nazi soldiers are asking, "what kind of work do you do?" And the first Jew says, "sheet metal fabrication." The soldier ordered him to the factory. The second Jew said, "social worker." He got put on the gas chamber train.

    The Engineer

  27. "blacks are underrepresented, would probably be on the List of Sports We Kick Ass In if given the opportunity."

    LOL @ "probably".

    Blacks are underrepresented because they suck at these things.

    Same reason blacks are underrepresented in physics, science, math, etc…

  28. Desi said… "if it was up to me, all men would have numbers."

    Cool. I'll do that after you spend one week living without any technology created by a man. Naked, running down small game in the forest, its just like modern day Africa.

  29. @ Northlander

    Thank you, I don't think that anyone could have said it better.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One sport that both blacks and whites play is soccer, and truth is blacks are horrible. The whole continent of Africa plays, but not one country there has come close to winning anything significant. Of the top fifty players in the world, only four or five are black, and the rest mostly white. Only Brazil, when its roster is mostly white and mestizo, can afford to put blacks on the pitch.

  31. Desecrator,

    When did you decide Percy wasn't lying about his kids? Just wondering.

  32. Desiree said:

    "Wake up. Black men and white women mingle more than black women and white men, and the former victims are just victims of acquaintance rapes, as would be black women if they mingled more with white guys, which they don't because black women don't like white men…

    Hirsch, I thought you were smart? What's going on?!"

    I should do as everyone advises, and skip over your posts. To be honest, I usually do unless you call me out by name. There is no debate here, though, since your "evidence" is partially anecdotal and partly based on God knows what. It mostly reads like baiting.

    But I've got thirty seconds to kill, so I'll bite. There are many years of available data where the correlation between crime victimization studies, FBI, and DOJ records show that for about every thirty thousand black on white rapes, there are less than ten white on black rapes. "Less than ten," is a tricky figure, since the range could be anywhere from zero to ten.

    If you want to account for this disparity by bringing up a movie starring Jodie Foster (or any other True Lifetime-style movies) or attribute the problem to "mingling" or "white men being good at almost nothing," that's fine. But pardon me if I decide to invest my time in something more meaningful, like Solitaire or Minesweeper, rather than tripping over every steaming cow-pie you lay here at SBPDL.

    Peace and chicken grease.

  33. Hey Desiree,

    "Larry Ellison
    Bill Gates
    Steve Jobs
    Steve Ballmer
    Richard Branson

    I guess us honkeys can be good at being billionaires though, can't we?"

    Take a quick look in the mirror if you need to know which "Honkey" isn't on the above list.

    -Black guy

  34. I see Desiree conveniently ignored my first post. I'm still waiting for your well-thought responses, Desiree …

    I take issue with another statement you made:

    "The same goes for Olympics. These African countries are POOR and disorganized. Maybe if they had nationalized training programs, they could pump out very disciplined and very dominant athletes."

    What you are saying now, Desiree, is that 'superior' African athletic ability can be fully expressed ONLY if organization and wealth – two achievements that require high levels of cognition – are present.

    Quick history lesson, based on fact and reality:

    There are NO black-run nations, from antiquity to modernity, that have ever produced organization and wealth. Not the countries that benefited from colonialism, e.g., Ivory Coast and SA, or, those that did not, e.g., most of the land-locked African countries that NEVER came in contact with white faces.

    Now, considering the above, if athleticism is a function of organization and wealth, as you so clearly believe, is it not fair to say that blacks have been, and, judging by history itself, will always be, inferior to whites: athletically [and] intellectually – by virtue of poverty and disorganization alone???

    Again I ask: How do you reconcile this irreconcilable contradiction in your world-view, Desiree???

    How?

    I hope you have the intellectual courage to answer all of my questions in this thread. Not in a sophomoric, immature, fashion, but in a well-thought-out adult manner with answers based in reality and of a convincing nature.

    Perhaps you should petition your mother's assistance before you reply …

  35. Disarray wrote: "Percy Kittens mentioned he has some blacks kids he'd adopted who are excelling. He didn't screen their IQs or got lucky. He put them in an environment that allowed them to grow. This is what all black kids need. I had it, Percy's kids have it, everyone can have it if we ensure equality of opportunity."

    Uh, I'm not sure what "equality of opportunity" even means anymore. Who ensures that black kids have "equality of opportunity"? What about the white kids who don't have "equality of opportunity"? Sounds like a liberal, vacuous, feel-good phrase to me.

    By and large, black Americans have "equality of opportunity"; why they have chosen to throw it away is beyond me. We didn't do anything that any other family couldn't have done, black or white.

    They aren't simply good or above average students; they are in advanced, gifted-classes in high school. We started them on advanced reading programs from the moment they were learning their ABCs. They weren't allowed cell phones (to talk on endlessly or to get addicted to texting). They weren't allowed to have a tv in their rooms or unsupervised Internet access. Their friends were screened by us; we're their parents, not their friends. We picked them up from school everyday; didn't let them ride the bus. Considered private or home school, but went with public. No boyfriends at their age.

    You see Disarray, it helps to have a "village" to raise a child, but it's not totally necessary when you have two committed, married, loving adults raising children together. The "village" that helps us with them are family members and friends, not federal or state welfare or social programs. Uncle Sam is no substitute for parents raising their own children.

    As President Bush once said, we didn't 'engage in the soft bigotry of lowered expectations'. They play the Viola, Cello, and guitar. We're not rich. We're just middle class.

    We don't let them watch MTV or BET. Because at least half of the black kids in the local school districts are either pregnant, dropping out, failing, or on some sort of disciplinary probation, they have only a few black friends, but they are quality. I don't give a rat's ass about "diversity".

    We saved two children. They have a sibling that we did not adopt; he was taken in by a black family. He will be going to juvenile detention within the next year or two. DFACS had to get involved and force the family to put the child into a pre-K program because he was barely speaking at age 5 (he wasn't autistic; just no instruction or learning was going on in the home). He's had to go to summer school every year since 2nd grade in order to just barely pass the grade and move up. As I said, he will be going to juvenile detention with two years. He is violent and the school system has grown exasperated with him.

    At some point the black community will have to stop and admit that what they've done so far hasn't worked and change course. Pumping more money into education isn't the answer; more social and welfare programs isn't the answer. Glorifying teenage pregnancy (Fantasia Burrino) isn't the answer. Peddling a culture of victimhood through movies and music to young males barely out of the womb has made the problem worse. When you all get over your hangups about "acting white" and instead try to emulate the things about other cultures that work, you'll make progress.

    Until then, you'll be working for my two children.

  36. "The whole continent of Africa plays [soccer], but not one country there has come close to winning anything significant."

    Good point.

    Soccer is the world's most popular sport and Africans virtually fail at it.

    Another case-study, the size of a continent, that gives more evidence to the fact that blacks are athletically and intellectually inferior.

  37. Dezz: "all this intelligence business is still questionable". With this moronic statement you are now required to take at least 30 points off your next bogus IQ figure you post here. Childlike is as childlike does strikes again.

  38. @ Hirsch:

    You engage in ad hominem attacks (as you did in your original post) and then mince what I write in order to deliver a quasi-witty jab, insinuating that I am somehow insane.

    It was not actually a 'bait', Hirsch; I am sorry that you seem to get hot under the collar and defensive whenever someone derides what you think was a clever remark. You're like a thin-skinned hemophiliac walking on a tightrope over broken glass!

    Wading through your response, I see only one thing: a statistic from the DOJ that verifies my original point, one that merely watching basic cable can establish.

    I've made this point before and I'll say it again:

    Over 70 percent of rapes of women are committed by an acquaintance or a friend. In terms of black women and white women, the latter mingles more interracially than the former. This is fact. If we bring it home to the original stat–the ~70 percent acquaintance rape figure–the higher number of BM/WW rapes is explained pretty easily. I'll let you figure out the answer.

    It should take less time than your original reply to 'get'.

    But pardon me if I decide to invest my time in something more meaningful, like Solitaire or Minesweeper, rather than tripping over every steaming cow-pie you lay here at SBPDL.

    Another ad hominem attack, in-crowd boy. Play your minesweeper and solitaire. Your level of cowardice is unbelievable, Hirsch. You yourself can say I am some bourgeois black Carlton Banks or am from a Seinfeld milieux and when I defend myself to your shallow attacks, you flee. So pathetic. May I assume your cowardice is due to lack of argument.

    For perspective, these are your words to me, remember, Dear One? And I QUOTE,

    On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM, J—– <—[email protected]—.com> wrote:

    "…I really hate SBPDL, the site and the writer. The truth is that he can't write. Or rather, that he makes the mistake of overwriting. I almost puked when I had to read Porter's compliment on SBPDL's wonderful prose. He makes the classic mistake of piling on the copious verbiage when smaller words would work."

    I don't know why you frequent, Hirsch, when you HATE this guy and his writing. Apparently, you hate black people, too (or black men), like everyone else on this site, and yet, you feel it is pointless to defend your ad hominem wisecracks against a black? It seems like you have a new comment every couple of hours, so busy you are with your solitaire. So contradictory, too, Hirsch. You are flailing in that, sweetheart, not me.

    We aren't in the same boat; I'm off at sea, and you are struggling with the motor. It's up to you to figure out what to do: let someone help you fix it, or give up…

  39. Percy Kitten,

    I still blame Hillary Clinton for that absurd book title. It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes responsible parents, which happen to be a very rare sight in the black community.

  40. Desiree, your main tactic when confronted with the inordinate number of black on white rapes (versus the paucity of white on black attacks) is to first try to explain it away by creating an apologia based on something as empirical as "mingling." Am I supposed to say, well shit since black men "mingle" more often with white women, it's only natural that there would be more rapes occuring. We all know that rape is a natural byproduct of mingling, something like collateral damage.

    True, the majority of crimes are intraracial, but when they become inter-, the proportionality is so weighted toward black misbehavior that you can't help but lose to everyone you engage.

    Debating you is truly non-gratum anus rodentum. You spend a good portion of your time on this site chastising others for their obsession with race, and yet here you are, commenting just as often (sometimes more often) than we less-thans. Perhaps you should pay a visit to your local bar, pound a few shots, and then castigate all those alcoholics for their wicked ways. It certainly wouldn't be any more hypocritical.

    So yes, back to Solitaire. I'd tell you to pick up a book, but as you once told me, you can barely stand to read, which is strange since I thought you were in the talented tenth.

  41. @ Desiree. I say again.

    If "Blacks" are so dominant in all sports (except the ones where they haven't been given equal opportunity lol) how come West Africans are bad at endurance sports and East Africans bad at sprint sports?

  42. Anonymous wrote: "I still blame Hillary Clinton for that absurd book title. It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes responsible parents, which happen to be a very rare sight in the black community."

    True, and only a liberal Democrat would even posit the notion or theory that it takes everyone else to raise someone else's child, when two parents should do just fine. Having said that, I think she got that book title from the notion, or philosophy, in Africa that it is everyone else's responsibility to raise someone else's child.

    So, anyway, when you subscribe to African wisdom you end up with some such nonsense as "it takes a village to raise a child", or, in our case, it takes Uncle Sam, WIC, Section 8, Peach Care, food stamps, subsidized housing, free pre-k, etc…to raise a child because the chances are extremely great that the father will be nowhere to be found, and more than likely has 22 other children with 12 or 13 other baby mommas.

  43. @ Hirsch

    I ask you to direct Desiree's attention to the questions I asked her, [on this thread]. She's avoiding them for obvious reason because they are forcing her to look inward and reexamine her beliefs on racism and biological 'equity'.

    I have her corned.

    She has no intellectual escape, no pseudo-truths to hide under, no refuge save the comfort she finds in her own silence.

    A nudge by you might help expose and obliterate every position she espouses on SBPDL.

    Desiree said:

    "Your level of cowardice is unbelievable"

    You haven't answered one of my questions.

    "Cowardice," did you say?

  44. It's funny how no one brings up the fact that there are only 432 players in the entire NBA.

    Why all of the crying over an organization that over 99.9% of the U.S. population has nothing to do with.

    -Black guy

  45. @ Hirsch Iscariot:

    Am I supposed to say, well shit since black men "mingle" more often with white women, it's only natural that there would be more rapes occuring.

    Seeing that most rapes are acquaintance rapes, yes, you should concede to this.

    'Mingling' may be a muddled word. Does 'coexist' offend less of your sensibilities? The fact of the matter is, rape is rape, and the only people who seem to try to make a distinction are racist white men.

    See, Hirsch, you don't seem to 'get it', do you? Like the others here, you have resorted to rolling out the statistics but have no willingness to explore context.

    True, the majority of crimes are intraracial, but when they become inter-, the proportionality is so weighted toward black misbehavior that you can't help but lose to everyone you engage.

    Again, surface explanation. The statistics do read that black-on-white crime is higher than white-on-black. But the difference–one most of the people on this site fail to realize–is that those white-on-black crimes are racially motivated, as in hate crimes, etc. Sure, some of the black criminals may stereotype a white victim as 'weak' but they are not racists. I doubt the vast majority of black criminals see a white soon-to-be mugging victim and says, 'Yea, kid, Imma make dat cracka wish he wasn't born white.'

    Debating you is truly non-gratum anus rodentum.

    Parting ad hominem attack of a losing opponent. Yes, Hirschie sweetie, you've lost, only your pride prevents you from acknowledging this factoid.

    You spend a good portion of your time on this site chastising others for their obsession with race, and yet here you are, commenting just as often (sometimes more often) than we less-thans.

    LOL at 'we less-thans'. Hey everyone, Hirsch's found a clique! He's in the In-Crowd at Whitey U.! Bless him.

    A correction, if I may: my behavior on this site is not at all a reflection of my interests. Race is boring to me and this is the only race-related site I frequent. My time spent on here–as opposed to yours since no one engages you, Hirsch–is for sparing purposes. I'll respond to something stupid in one of the posts and someone will say something about it. They can ignore it if they'd like but, as history has shown and the lack of black interaction most of these people have truly experienced will dictate, these people cannot help themselves. I say good on them; if you're going to hold on to a ridiculous viewpoint might as well learn how to defend it.

    So yes, back to Solitaire. I'd tell you to pick up a book, but as you once told me, you can barely stand to read, which is strange since I thought you were in the talented tenth.

    Another ad hominem attack. Tsk-tsk-tsk, Hirsch. Do you have anything else in your bag of tricks? And throw out something better than 'ugly', because that's not working for me in the substantive department. We both know you can only function at the rage/bitterness dial but try harder. Would you like me to paste more of your emails to me disproving your childish remark?

    As for the reading bit, you are aware that I have abysmal vision and wear glasses, correct, or did that factoid also disappear from the seeming 'storehouse' of non-applicable knowledge you possess? And not cutesy ornamental frames, but heavy duty specs with a high power. Secondly, if you can find me a book where the writing is not crap and the story is not crap (so I won't be bored to tears), I will be happy to read it. As of now, Smug One, I only enjoy non-fiction and read it as much as I can until my eyes begin to kill me and I am put to sleep by the pain. Last night, I was enjoying a black history text.

    Yes, back to solitaire. Or you can work on that thing called 'interpersonal maturity' over ego-centrism; I think it would be a better use of your time. 29 going on 3. Sad.

  46. @ White Guy:

    I thought I answered your questions, although I acknowledge that I did not address them to you, so understandably you were confused.

    You said: If superior athleticism is a function of race, as you so eloquently asserted, then, is it out of the realm of possibility for you to acknowledge that superior intelligence is a function of the same?

    How do you reconcile the contradictions in every post you have made in regard to race and capability?

    I wrote earlier:

    "Unlike sports, where you can see the body move and actually measure ability without voodoo, all of this intelligence business is still questionable, and while there are so-called 'stats' out there demonstrating what you people like to believe, many people question the methodology of how one gets to this data, not mention state how to get different data for blacks if the children lived in better environments.

    No one is debating the sports thing, though. Except you people. Percy Kittens mentioned he has some blacks kids he'd adopted who are excelling. He didn't screen their IQs or got lucky. He put them in an environment that allowed them to grow. This is what all black kids need. I had it, Percy's kids have it, everyone can have it if we ensure equality of opportunity."

    You said: And, by the way, if blacks are superior athletes, why, then, do African nations [fail] to dominate the Olympics?

    I wrote earlier:

    "I think I already referred to this: "This is a pipe dream for SBPDL. He's fighting a losing battle. All of the sports, save swimming, for which blacks are underrepresented, would probably be on the List of Sports We Kick Ass In if given the opportunity."

    The same goes for Olympics. These African countries are POOR and disorganized. Maybe if they had nationalized training programs, they could pump out very disciplined and very dominant athletes. Too bad not; we would kill it."

    No cowardice here, White Guy. Those are other people's demons, not mine.

  47. "These African countries are POOR and disorganized."

    All people with low IQ's are poor and disorganized.

  48. "The fact of the matter is, rape is rape, and the only people who seem to try to make a distinction are racist white men."

    Black men commit rape at a rate 10 times that of white men.

  49. "white-on-black crimes are racially motivated, as in hate crimes"

    Blacks hate whites. Almost all black-on-white crime is motivated by hate.

  50. "Race is boring to me"

    You are obsessed with race. Please be honest.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "while there are so-called 'stats' out there demonstrating what you people like to believe"

    LOL @ "stats".

    The research has been consistent for over 70 years, blacks are always at the bottom of the IQ scale.

    Repeated efforts to construct an IQ test that demonstrates racial equality have consistently failed, blacks always end up at the bottom of the IQ scale.

    Every single place on earth that blacks live is a virtual uninhabitable shithole.

    These are the facts and they are not going to change, in spite of what you people like to believe.

  52. "He put them in an environment that allowed them to grow. This is what all black kids need."

    Perhaps you should communicate this to the black community and to black parents.

  53. Desiree

    Hirsch Iscariot? Judas's intestines exploded onto a fallow field. My fate of debating the queen Harpie of the multicult is the less enviable lot.

    Please no more wasting time with claims to moral high-ground or maturity. Were you not the one who claimed foul in this post by telling SBPDL, "He started it." Next time when you seek intermediation, remember to mention that I have cooties, so that your infantile regression can be complete.

    But to address your latest abortion

    "Again, surface explanation. The statistics do read that black-on-white crime is higher than white-on-black. But the difference–one most of the people on this site fail to realize–is that those white-on-black crimes are racially motivated, as in hate crimes, etc. Sure, some of the black criminals may stereotype a white victim as 'weak' but they are not racists. I doubt the vast majority of black criminals see a white soon-to-be mugging victim and says, 'Yea, kid, Imma make dat cracka wish he wasn't born white.'

    Roughly one fifth of the crimes committed by blacks against whites have a monetary motive, meaning robberies or thefts. The rest are assaults, batteries, murders, rapes, etc. Remove the 1/5th that gives you an alibi and the scales are still tipped very much to one side.

    Regarding hate crimes enhancement, white college students spread cotton balls across a campus green and it is called a "hate crime." Four blacks raped, tortured, and poured cleaning solvents down the throats of a white couple before killing them, and there was no hate crime classification. Also, hispanics in many cases are categorized as whites for the data purposes, so that a latino on white crime is many times listed as a white on white crime.
    Even with this trickery, whites can't compete with blacks in terms of proportionality.

    Please don't play with facts anymore. You might put your eye out. And, if I can paraphrase the rappers, don't hate the facts. Hate the game.

    Peace and chicken grease.

  54. The sum of it's parts. The Ty'Quial name broke down. This one is fairly easy. Mom scans her mind until reaching the upper most layers of her memory banks and locks onto a bottle of Tylenol. Seemingly on a roll she now spies a hazy mental image of a NyQuil bottle and POW!!!!! After fusing the images together a new funkadelic name is born. Ty'Quial pronounced Ti – Kwill is added to the growing black lexicon. The Kwill sound is just a play on words similar to the Ahhhn't sound in Aunt and the Axes sound for ask. Hopefully that shed some light on the name. Oh…and how bout Jimmer straight draining those 3 pointers……Son!!!!! 🙂

  55. Oh, Hirsch, tsk-tsk-tsk….

    Hirsch Iscariot? Judas's intestines exploded onto a fallow field. My fate of debating the queen Harpie of the multicult is the less enviable lot.

    Funny, I giggled. You aren't very good at relinquishing the ad hominem 'jabs'–for lack of a better term–are you? No, you won't be as 'fortunate' as Judas, if only on the Internet. My harpy claws would do more damage in person, Hirsch. Please remember the hemophiliac analogy and consider yourself lucky.

    The Iscariot moniker can be explained thusly: imagine we are two goths. You work on a school project with a jock and while at his house, he scrubs you of your goth-ness. You receive some sort of Pavlovian response to the New You. When you approach your goth friend, you are wholly different, dare I say, a traitor.

    Unless I was always in a snowstorm, Hirsch; that's possible. I do have bad vision and snow's not going to help anything.

    Please no more wasting time with claims to moral high-ground or maturity. Were you not the one who claimed foul in this post by telling SBPDL, "He started it." Next time when you seek intermediation, remember to mention that I have cooties, so that your infantile regression can be complete.

    More giggles. How fast you have devolved back into the intellectual primordial ooze. There were no pleadings to SBPDL for intermediation; some of my comments, especially the nastier ones (recall: harpy claws) or ones about less desirable white inclinations, do not get published. For that reason, there is sometimes some begging that must go on.

    Remember, Hirsch, you called me 'ugly', which is grade school. 29 going on 3.

    Please don't play with facts anymore. You might put your eye out. And, if I can paraphrase the rappers, don't hate the facts. Hate the game.

    Just thinking, Hirsch, I have never disputed the 'hate facts'. My goal was in providing context, alternate ways of thinking about them. Think of it this way: many tabloids have 'gotcha' headlines. You read them and they are shocking. However, when you read the accompanying article, you are let down.

    That's sort of like these so-called 'hate facts'. Sure, the cold, hard numbers looks bad but when they are explained (and many, if not most, can be explained), they are by several orders of magnitude less 'hard'.

    Black/Latino male graduation rates? Sure, looks bad but when you find out why–such as needing to make money for their families, education takes a backseat to LIFE, something we middle class people don't understand–they prove less shocking, usually exposing a systemic problem.

    Men–all men, none are exempt–have a rape impulse and, even if they are friends with a woman, it can happen as proven by the acquaintance figure. Black men and white women are 'friends' more than white men and black women. I know you 'get' what I am saying, Hirsch, but you refuse to acknowledge this contextual bump in the road to your argument because of your obstinate pride.

    This is how race is played in this country, 'Gotcha' headlines, no context, all for the knee-jerk reactionaries. This prevents real change.

    You are smart, Hirsch, and there is no use in my beating this into you over and over. I know you get what I am saying but, for some reason, possibly your Club Membership for Whitey U.'s In-Crowd fraternity is to blame, you have decided to forgo this simple extension of logic. Instead you choose ad hominem, ad populum, repeat, repeat, repeat.

    Right?? Yes… sad.

    Shalom and matzos, friend.

  56. @ Desiree

    You have predictably failed to address my questions with anything close to resembling a coherent and convincing retort.

    Very unsatisfying.

    Your non-sequiturs are evidence enough, that, at least, subconsciously, you recognize biology is inegalitarian and that averages among the races, do, indeed, exist: intellectually and athletically – irrespective of liberal dogma.

    You cannot have your cake (race is responsible for 'superior' African athletic ability) and eat it too (race has nothing to do with inferior African intellectual faculty).

    You – are – a – walking – contradiction.

    Again:

    You cannot use [nature], or, race, to explain 'superior' black athleticism, then, in the same keystroke, use [nurture], or, environment, to write-off black failure.

    Observe:

    The physical and intellectual are functions of the DNA passed down through the generations.

    You can close your eyes as tight as possible and cuff your ears as hard as you can, but it doesn't bend, change or warp reality to what you wish it to be.

    Checkmate.

  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Desecratia said:

    Black/Latino male graduation rates? Sure, looks bad but when you find out why–such as needing to make money for their families, education takes a backseat to LIFE.

    ————

    Black/Latino males didn't get to that point without making a series of bad choices (likely followed by the series of bad choices made be their parents). Also, it's likely that they have wasted 10 years of education by that point, having nearly reached adulthood without learning to read or write (reading and writing beez actin' white an' sheeit, you feel me, nigga?) and they realize that they have permanently f*cked their lives. FUBAR, not FUBU.

    The growing epidemic of blacks raping white women, which is gleefully endorsed by the black community at large, is definitely a hate crime performed by black men against white MEN. The fact that they are violating white women is dust a bonus to these savages.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "You have predictably failed to address my questions with anything close to resembling a coherent and convincing retort."

    White Guy, I'll explain Deziarrhea's position, it's quite simple…
    1. In any discussion that demonstrates black inferiority or ineptitude or low IQ, she will respond with "All races are equal".
    2. In any discussion of sports or athletics, she will proclaim that "blacks are superior".

    Apparently the irreconcilable contradiction of these two positions does not register with her.

  59. Desiree-

    "Ugly," is a flexible adjective. When people refer to "Ugly Americans," they are talking about coarse behavior. No one said anything about your face.

  60. Ugly is as ugly does.

  61. "Black/Latino male graduation rates? Sure, looks bad but when you find out why–such as needing to make money for their families"

    Thank you for the explanation. Now I FINALLY understand what all those under 18 groids are doing clustered together on their porches in Oakland and Richmond during 'skool' hours.

    Dey dun beez makin mony fo dey famblys!

    It all makes sense now.

    ;-}

  62. Hirsch issued this dying breath because he knows–deep down in the pit of his belly–that I am right and not only does he agree with me, he concedes ad infinitum to every point I have made and will make in the future: "Ugly," is a flexible adjective. When people refer to "Ugly Americans," they are talking about coarse behavior. No one said anything about your face.

    (Damned straight you didn't mean my face; almost coming to the right side of history…)

    Sure, Hirsch. Sure, that's exactly what you meant by 'ugly', sweetie, my 'behavior'… which would be exemplified by what? Engaging fools?

    Not exactly 'coarse' behavior, is it, Hirsch? Try to be clever with your lies.

    Actually 'Ugly Americans' is a (very good) TV program and, unsurprisingly, is filled with monsters who are ugly.

    You cannot deny your words and your childishness. Because you are childish, friend. Grow up. If you want to skewer my alleged and nebulous 'coarse behavior', call me 'mean' or 'cruel', or does that give me too much power over you?

    Shalom and matzos. And by emphasis of these two, I mean you are Jewish. Take note, Aryans (LOL), you have a less obvious interloper in your midst!!

    I will thumb my nose at 'Queen Harpy of the multicult', as you are equally belonging to the 'multicult'. You see, Hirsch, you are not white, at least not in the social sense, and definitely not to these people, well, until you do something. As noted numerous times by your 'run-ins' with people on this site. If you forgot, I've stuck up for you a few times…

    Enjoy your fraternity, your delusions, your lies, and your betraying ways, Joseph Hirsch Iscariot. I really do feel sorry for you, dude.

    @ White Guy:

    There is no checkmate. If you didn't get what I wrote, you are too far in your delusions. You recommend 'March of the Titans', for God's Sake. I wouldn't recommend Cheikh Anta Diop or Chancellor Williams because I choose to be neutral in my information. No afro- or euro-centrists need apply!

    Sports ability can be seen plainly and measured with electrodes and other physical apparatuses. Hard science, which is a hard cry from psychology. There is no dispute in the data resulting from these mechanisms. All you have to do is watch ESPN and see proof. It's not nebulous, boyfriend!

    But that is not the same with IQ data. They are hotly contested and if you want to blame political correctness for this, go ahead, but that's naive and insufficient. What, do you think DWLs and BRA are threatening people? You really believe in that?

    I don't believe whitey doctors results. I just believe they fail to give context to them, and there is a seeming unwillingness to explore the variables that could change the outcome.

    If I am granted one conspiracy (and, seeing you believe in the junk within 'March of the Titans', you've been allotted your fair share, White Guy), I find it odd that the average IQ, which is considered to be 100, is where whites fall dead-on, and these are the creators of IQ and their tests.

    You don't find that odd? Culture-fair (lol) manipulations done to modern tests aside, these tests are still made by whites. It is impossible to remove all biases. They are devised by humans, after all.

    There is no comparison between tangible physical athletic ability and intelligence measurements. It is mind-boggling to me, White Guy, that you are so far-gone as to not see this. They aren't even tangental. My suggestion to you, White Guy, would be to relinquish your stereotypes and self-aggrandizing superiority to actually 'get' this.

    It's not rocket science, boo. Take care.

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    "But that is not the same with IQ data. They are hotly contested"

    You are a fucking idiot. IQ testing results have been consistent for as long as IQ tests have existed. Every effort to construct a test that demonstrated racial equality has failed. The only people "contesting" anything are people like you who live in denial.
    Within the Intelligence Research community, the racial distribution of IQ is common knowledge.

  64. "There is no comparison between tangible physical athletic ability and intelligence measurements."

    Of course there is, and decades of testing proves that there is.

    You can continue to repeat statements of stupidity, but you can't change the facts.

  65. Ty'Quial's mama just couldn't spell "tequila."

  66. How the F does a grown man walk around with the name "Jimmer"??? I don't care who gave him the nickname it is childish. He should be a man and go by James or Jim, his God-given name…

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jimmer Fredette is a great player and i love watching him play !!! and yes im a "Black Male". To say he is the best player in the NCAA makes sense to say if all you look at is scoring, in his case, his jump shot. Disregarding the fact that he is playing in a very I repeat very bad league, he is the only legit scorer on his team over 80% of the offense is ran through him, average dribbling skills, average vert, average passer, below average defense. All this talk about him having an advantage in I.Q just sounds stupid. What makes him smarter his jump shot??? Nolan Smith, Kimba Walker, are better because they arent just offensive weapons and aren’t given the ball every possession and told to shoot. Both have at least 2 legit scorers on their team but they can still score 30-40pt in a game. They also play better competition on a nightly basis .Jimmer doing well doesn’t upset blacks at all, its the constant media coverage and praise he receives because he is a great "White" player. I call it the Tim Tebow syndrome for basketball, my color challenged friends aren’t use to seeing someone who looks like them dominate in a sport that blacks actually play. You can list all the sports you want and say black aren’t dominate in, the simple fact is that we don’t play those sports. More whites play basketball and football than blacks, that’s just simple math we are only 12% of the population and there is a football/basketball team in almost every high school even your manipulated stats makes it clear their are more white athletes but less college and pro talent than black athletes. Lets get one thing clear almost all of the coaches, scouts, and front office executives are white. These men choose the players and im positive they aren’t saying he's not a good player because he is white, unless you think he is a black man in a white male costume. Their job is to find the best talent not the best white or black player. Jimmer is compared to great white players because he is no where close in talent to the great black players and he sure as hell isn’t close to Larry Bird. @Desiree you are an idiot, maybe an intelligent idiot but am idiot nonetheless for trying to argue intelligently ignorant remarks.

  68. Steve Sailer mentioned that Mormons have weird first names.

    Utah happens to have one of the highest standards of living in the nation, an educated population and a culture of self-reliance.

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/12/utah-flourishes-despite-all-those.html

    What culture (or race) with weird names has a problem doing just that? Without sports, this culture (or race) would have a difficult time getting work at McDonald's with names that are less strange than many Mormons.

  69. Dear white pople,

    relax.

    Love,

    A white person.

  70. Steve Sailer mentioned that Mormons have weird first names.

    Shawntrell, Quintonius, LaTisha, DeShawn, Teonna Monae.

    Point taken.

  71. "The fact of the matter is, rape is rape, and the only people who seem to try to make a distinction are racist white men. such as Whoopi "rape-rape" Goldberg.

  72. All you nignogs complaining at this stuff can take some solace.

    You too can be white someday,but not in this lifetime.

    That is all.

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