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As many of you already know, I recently launched the “Free Harvard/Fair Harvard” campaign, aimed at electing a slate of five candidates to the Harvard Board of Overseers on a platform of (1) increasing the transparency of today’s opaque and abuse-ridden admissions process and (2) immediately eliminating undergraduate tuition as being unnecessary given the huge size of the endowment.

Although scarcely a single individual in America was aware of our plans until five or six weeks ago, our momentum has been enormous, and the New York Times ran a (somewhat suspiciously-minded) front-page story about our reformist campaign on Friday, which quickly sparked additional stories in the London Telegraph, the Harvard Crimson, New York Magazine, Time Magazine, and several other publications, along with considerable international coverage in Spanish, Turkish, and Chinese media outlets.

Harvard is the world’s wealthiest and most prestigious university, and if it were suddenly to abolish tuition under the pressure of a referendum vote of its 320,000 alumni, the resulting earthquake in the global academic community would have aftershocks far and wide. Indeed, some of Harvard’s most eminent scholars have already dropped me supportive notes, questioning the absurd rise of tuition at their own institution and at other universities over the past few decades, and very much hoping that our campaign might succeed in reversing this trend.

Certainly, Harvard hardly needs the money. Embedded below is a striking chart, showing the relative size of Harvard’s sources of income in recent years, with the annual investment earnings from its mammoth endowment regularly averaging some twenty-five times larger than the net tuition revenue from its college students. As I stated in my late 2012 article “Paying Tuition to a Giant Hedge Fund” Harvard has quietly become one of the world’s largest hedge-funds, with its aggressively managed $38 billion portfolio shielded from all taxation because of the small educational institution it continues to run as a charity off to one side.

Adding to the attention of our bold campaign has been the strange-bedfellows ideological alliance of our slate of five candidates for Harvard Overseer. Both I and Lee Cheng, co-founder of the Asian-American Legal Foundation, are generally characterized as conservatives. Stuart Taylor, Jr., who has spent decades as a prominent journalist and legal commentator, is usually considered a political moderate, although the Brookings Institution with which he has long been affiliated perhaps leans a bit more liberal. Stephen Hsu, Professor of Theoretical Physics and Vice President for Research and Graduate Studies at Michigan State, is very much a moderate academic liberal, whose blogsite has for years proudly featured photos of his meetings with President Obama. And Ralph Nader, headlining our slate, is surely one of the most renowned political progressives of the last half century.

It is also far from coincidental that two of the five members of our slate are Asian-Americans. Several years ago I published strong statistical evidence for the existence of an “Asian Quota” at Harvard and the other Ivy League universities, prompting The New York Times to run a symposium on the topic, which attracted enormous attention and commentary.

Naturally, Harvard and its peers ignored these complaints, and just a few months ago The Economist ran a lengthy survey on the issue of Asian Quotas, updating my results and showing that nothing had changed. Add to this the massive pattern of corrupt and abusive admissions practices at elite colleges—documented by Pulitzer Prize winner Daniel Golden in his book The Price of Admission—and it is obvious that only the disinfecting sunlight of admissions transparency would restore our own alma mater and its peers to the academic integrity that is absolutely necessary for their continued existence. And only the external pressure of a successful campaign for seats on the Harvard Board of Overseers could achieve this result.

Indeed, the notorious sluggishness of the Harvard Administration in responding to any external stimuli was the immediate spur for this campaign. Earlier this year the New York Times had solicited a piece from me on my suggestions for improving higher education, and I merely reiterated my argument that elite colleges should immediately abolish tuition. Response at the time was overwhelmingly positive from all ideological quarters, but Mighty Harvard paid not the slightest notice to my words, leading me to consider what possible means might exist to impose necessary reforms upon such an enormously wealthy and rather solipsistic institution, now rapidly approaching its 400th anniversary. This Overseer campaign was the ultimate result.

FreeHarvard-logo And if we succeed with this effort, the reverberations will echo far and wide, given that so many of Harvard’s near-peers possess balance sheets and institutional proclivities that are nearly indistinguishable. Anyone who looks at a chart of the sources of income for Yale, Princeton, and Stanford would notice an uncanny resemblance to their Cambridge sibling. So if Harvard falls to the “Free Tuition Movement,” many other academic dominoes will surely soon topple as well.

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Will our campaign succeed? Maybe, maybe not. Based on all indications so far, I have little doubt that if our names do appear on the annual Overseer ballot and our position statements are mailed out to the 320,000 Harvard alumni, we will win a resounding victory throughout the Harvard community, and soon thereafter Mighty Harvard will agree to forego 4% of its annual investment income and henceforth become tuition-free, while also starting to shift its admissions process from abusive total opacity to some degree of reasonable transparency. But the more difficult question is whether we will even be able to reach that ballot.

FreeHarvard-logo We now have little more than ten remaining days to obtain the valid signatures of 201 Harvard alumni, holders of either undergraduate or graduate degrees, and although those numbers are small, our time is very short. Furthermore, the traditions of such an august institution, set forth in the antique English of its mid-17th Century charter, require that all such signatures be provided in physical form and only written upon the elegant petitions printed by the University itself.

Thus, anyone holding a Harvard degree who is interested in signing our petitions and perhaps changing the world should email us at petitions@FreeHarvard.org, and include your mailing address to obtain a petition for signing. If you can commit to quickly gathering an additional signature or two and also include your phone number, we will fedex you a petition. The more Harvard alumni signatures all of you can quickly gather, the more likely Harvard will soon become both free and fair.

 
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  1. I’ve snarked at you in the past, Unz, and no doubt will again. But this is a worthy cause.

    I’ve sent your link to all the Harvard alums I know, including my wife. Should be good for 5-6 sigs.

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  2. Here’s the problem with free tuition for Harvard.

    Sure, Harvard can afford it.

    But a lot of students come from privilege and money.

    So, if Harvard is free, it will mean rich kids from rich families will go to college for free…

    whereas kids from working class and middle class families in less prestigious and less well-endowed schools have to pay tuition.

    Is that fair?

    How about this?

    Make tuition free for Harvard students, BUT rich families that send kids to Harvard must donate a good sum of money to certain causes… such as the Pig Liberation Front.

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    As for Asians and Affirmative Action, who cares? They vote for the Democrats, the party of affirmative action. Why should the American Right care about Asians when Asians don’t care about white conservative Americans?

    Also, even as Asians ONLY complain about whites cutting in front of them. They full support blacks and browns cutting in front of whites.

    Hell with the yellows.

    Besides, yellows are the biggest teacher’s pets or teapets, therefore they will serve as the PC commissars of the GLOB. Now, we have Asian professors and students bitching about ‘micro-aggressions’ and ‘triggers’. Asians may study hard, but they don’t know how to think critically on their own. So, if PC is the prevailing dogma in the US, the yellows will be the biggest pushers of that stuff.

    The stupidest thing that the Right can do is stand up for Asians who are big big Bernie Sanders supports and hate Trump and white people.

    Also, Asians are status-seeking suckassers. They crave acceptance from hipster-haughty Liberal gentrification crowd while sneering at white working class and lower middle class folks. They are the same way back in Asia, where the privileged look down on the masses.

    To be sure, there might be an advantage in stirring up controversy about anti-Asian college policies as a way of stoking blue vs blue war.

    After all, Ivy Leagues are almost 99% Liberal. So, all these accusations flying in all directions are about blue city Liberal types fighting with other blue city Liberal types.

    I suppose exploiting it from that angle is sort of fun.

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  3. Mr. Unz, I wish you and your endeavor success. Once Harvard fell to this worthy “insurgency,” other elite universities would be sure to follow.

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  4. Brilliant. You are one of America’s best and most honest thinkers and provocateurs, Mr. Unz.

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    Kudos to you Unz for disrupting and shedding light on such a rotten part of our society.

    I’m sick of Harvard with their trillion dollars in reserves being a burden on society. Time for society to get something back from Harvard for a change.

    No more elites guaranteeing their success in life!

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  6. Anecdotally, based on experience with friends of mine, I can tell you that Japanese Americans have had a strong affinity for the Republican Party since WWII. Many a Japanese granny has never forgotten nor forgiven FDR for stripping them of their rights. Back then Republicans were skeptical of the war and one R congressman (forget the name) actively opposed Japanese internment. Beyond that, there are strong conservative tendencies within the Asian community and all the ingredients are there for a Republican constituency. Perhaps it’s the hoist-yourself-upon-your-petard Republicans who’ve pushed Asians away with their silly faux white nationalist strategy.

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  7. Razib Khan,
    You forgot to mention the petitions are to be printed on Alexandrian papyrus and signed with quills.

    Non-sequitur, have you ever considered a nom de plume? Or would that be too narcissistic?

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  8. I am a poor white prole and it wouldn’t bother me if rich people received free tuition. I worked for a company that collected on federal debt and I don’t really believe the country has been made better by the initiative to get more people into college. I have had overcredentialed roommates with Harvard experience. What would help things would be to expand competency based degrees and get rid of the income tax. 10 years of zirp hurts the poor as well.

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  9. Why not tell us all to vote for Bernie “No Tuition” Sanders and that warm Progressive glow one gets from giving stuff away can spread nation wide?

    What a wonderful lesson for our young people: stuff is free. Just vote for the correct people, and you too can have free stuff.

    How does that work out long term?

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  10. IF this can make the harvard admission process become more transparent, fair, I am 100% for it.

    I am cheering for this on the side lines.

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  11. The free tuition piece is a terrible idea which will have awful consequences.

    1) If college is free, it will turn into high school. We already have twelve free years of schooling, and we have hit the limit of returns that we can get from it. We are already fruitlessly throwing higher education at millions of people who don’t need it and can’t take advantage of it. If college is free, it will become an assumed right, and society will be even more opposed to denying college to anyone. It will become a massive new entitlement with the budgets to match. Why do you think Ralph Nader is on board with this??

    Now one might argue that this is just for Harvard and similar institutions (a stated goal is to spread it to similar institutions), and we would keep tuition at the other tiers. However that is untenable – people will not tolerate Harvard being free while Ohio State causes individuals and families to go into debt. Large state schools have big endowments too.

    2) Students and families need to have skin in the game. They need to feel that they are investing something in their education. If you just throw four years at an 18 year old to live for free, what are they going to do with it? Expect a lot less STEM and a lot more transgender black hispanic studies majors. Why should we be subsidizing four years of partying.

    3) These complaints about endowment size misunderstand the role of major research universities in the first place. Their primary purpose is not undergraduate education. Their main mission is carrying out research with faculty, postdocs, and grad students. The endowment is to be spent on research labs, facilities, and so forth.

    Please Unz, reconsider the tuition part of your proposal. Sunlight in admissions is fine, but the tuition thing will further ruin American higher ed.

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  12. Good going Ron, to say the least.

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  13. Maybe if the liberal elites, gentiles and jews, see their own kids denied entrance to prestigious universities by raising numbers of Asians, they would think a little more about the impact of immigration.

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  14. They are the same way back in Asia, where the privileged look down on the masses.

    You don’t really believe that Asia is the only place this happens or even that it is a particular standout in this regard, do you? That is an incredibly broad assertion to present without any shred of supporting evidence.

    More broadly, your post to me seems like it would actually dissuade many from giving it the slightest credence. That is because whatever valid arguments may be contained therein are completely eclipsed by what are at least the trappings of a rant – name calling, promiscuous use of superlatives, and overall demonization to point out just a few.

    I can’t imagine anyone who doesn’t already agree with you being anything other than repelled by your post.

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  15. Why in the world did you wait until the last moment to get your signatures, Ron? This is such an important reversal to the HBD deniers and crony coddlers.

    I do wonder, like a commenter above, about your thoughts on the subject of the “rich” getting a free ride under your no tuition scheme. Is it your belief that elimination of cronyism will reduce acceptance rates from “the elites” to negligible levels?

    In any case, I hope you succeed. I’m not sure where a pure meritocracy at Harvard would lead us, but I’d love to find out.

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  16. dear UNZ could I suggest you include censor of pro-Palestinian events at Harvard in your campaign, because somehow ADL believes Harvard plans to “eliminate Israel”.

    Some student groups at Harvard Kennedy School along with the ‘Jewish Voice for Peace’ are organizing a ‘One State Conference‘ on Palestine at the Campus on March 3-4, 2012. The organizers have clearly stated that it’s a student run event which doesn’t represent the views of the Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard University or any Harvard school or centrer. However, this explaination didn’t satisfy the international pro-Israel watchdog, Abraham Foxman, national director of ADL. He wrote a letter to Harvard’s President Dr. Catherine Drew Gilpin Faust (her second husband, professor Charles E. Rosenberg, is Jewish), claiming that the conference is meant to “promote the elimination of Israel as the national homeland of the Jewish people“. One has to forgive Abe Foxman’s ignorance that 20% of Israeli citizen are non-Jewish and the fact that more Jewish people live in New York state than in Israel but Washington would not recognize NY as a ‘Jewish state’.

    According to ADL press release on February 24, both Dr. Faust and Dean David T. Ellwood have assured Abe Foxman on phone that Harvard University did not accept any policy that would lead to the elimination of state of Israel.

    “I want to emphasize once again that Harvard University and the Harvard Kennedy School in no way endorses or supports the apparent position of these student organizers or any participants they include. We hope that the final shape of the conference will be significantly more balanced,” Ellwood said in a released statement……

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/02/26/lobby-harvard-wants-to-eliminate-israel/

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  17. Dear Mr Unz,

    I am not sure , given Harvard’s endowment and the profits it generates each year from the returns on investing it, that the University should abolish tuition altogether. But it should be willing to offer a ‘free ride” (tuition, room ,and board) to the most “gifted” applicants who need it.
    As the endowment grows, there should be a larger percentage ,every year, of applicants who receive it. The “free rides” should be set aside for those who need it the most, but also used selectively to “lure” “gifted kids (who can afford to pay), from other universities that might otherwise snap them up.

    What I would like to see “most” in Harvard’s admission process is a “smarts without evil” requirement.

    One that seeks to discriminate as much on the “moral integrity” of the applicant as their high IQ. Seeking out applicants who have a strong sense of right and wrong should be given increasing weight every year in the admissions process.

    One can argue that it is precisely this lack of “moral integrity” that has left our nation with an unconscionable “national debt” of truly staggering proportions (19 trillion dollars) and laid waste to the homes and lives of ” 60 million” innocent people due to feckless wars of aggression based on fraud.

    Having “gifted” graduates with an exceptionally “high” moral character, entering into positions of “power” might reignite the concept of “accountability” for our actions, diminish the” ease of fraud” that permeates our national narratives and help overcome “the impunity for evil” that has become our nations” elite” national pastime.

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  18. From the figure in the OP, “Harvard University Income Sources”.
    My estimate of the bar for 2015, “Net College Tuition”: about $100 million

    Back of the envelope calculations (figures from quick Google searches):
    Harvard College undergraduate enrollment: 6,700
    Harvard College undergraduate tuition, 2015/16: $45,278
    Harvard College annual gross revenue based on sticker price: 6.7k * $45.3k = $303 million
    Harvard College’s stated financial aid figures: “In fact, approximately 70% of our students receive some form of aid, and about 60% receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year. 20% of parents [have total incomes less than $65,000 and] pay nothing.”

    The plain (but not only) reading of this is:
    60% of students pay an average of $12,000 in tuition per year.
    20% of students pay nothing in tuition per year.
    10% (70%-60%) of students receive some indeterminate amount of financial aid.
    The remaining 10% of students pay the sticker price.

    If this is correct, Harvard’s gross receipts from undergraduate tuition:
    6.7k * 60% * $12k = $48 million
    6.7k * $0 = $0
    6.7k * 10% * $29k [guess] = $19 million
    6.7k * 10% * $45.3k = $30 million

    The total comes to $87 million, which checks out with respect to the figure.

    Harvard University graduate and professional student enrollment: 14,500
    Graduate and professional student, average sticker price for tuition: [don't know]

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  19. Ron,

    I think what you are doing is a good thing. But I wonder how you would respond to the standard leftwing criticism of your proposal, that making Harvard free would just be charity for millionaires.

    Harvard already offers very generous aid packages to low income students, so the main beneficiaries of this policy would be the rich.

    I know you have argued that high tuition costs discourage low income applicants, even if they will not end up paying any of it. And I think you are right.

    But maybe there is a way to promote the image of Harvard being free while still charging the rich. Such as charging tuition only to those with incomes over a million dollars.

    Or to borrow an even better suggestion made above, to require rich millionaire families to make a charitable donation to some non-controversial cause (like the Red Cross and American Cancer Society).

    Replacing tuition with charity would be good public relations, and Harvard could still call itself tuition free.

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  20. We are here partly to converse, and partly to unload.

    DFS raised some points worth considering, even if it had some hyperbole.

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  21. Perhaps it’s the hoist-yourself-upon-your-petard Republicans who’ve pushed Asians away with their silly faux white nationalist strategy.

    Whites need to read this because this is absolute circular reasoning garbage. The GOP has done everything it can including kick white working class people to the curb to curry favor with POC who never vote for them anyway. To the POC the fact that they never vote for the GOP and therefore the GOP vote is overwhelmingly white is proof that the GOP doesn’t want them and is the white nationalist party.

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  22. That is because whatever valid arguments may be contained therein are completely eclipsed by what are at least the trappings of a rant – name calling, promiscuous use of superlatives, and overall demonization to point out just a few.

    Grow up, how long have you been reading comments on the web. At least he had a lot of truth in what he said which is more than you get from the typical liberal commenter where you get a whole lot more insults too.

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    The fact that a college could amass so much money is a sign of the problem. Harvard would like you to think that they have alumni who care, and they made so much money because they are such a smart organization. But how does that make sense.

    The smartest investors in the world could not come close to the investment record Harvard has. The only reason Harvard has so much money is because of crony capitalism. Elites helping out an institution that guarantees them their success. Welfare for rich people.

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  24. Comment and attitude reveal background.

    Obviously this person is from low social class and have anger/hatred against others (very likely living in trailer park). Losers do not have enough intelligence to understand that success/failure in life is most determined by ones ability. Also blaming others give themselves psychological relief. It is humiliating and depressing to admit their own stupidity/incompetency.

    They should blame themselves for the miserable life. They should blame their loser parents brought them into this world.

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  25. crony capitalism.

    There really needs to be a campaign to stamp this nonsense phrase out. Crony Capitalism is the only real kind there is.

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  26. Instead of making college free would it just make more sense to get rid of all the BS Affirmative Action has caused that makes it important to get a college degree – even the completely worthless ones? If Unz did that imagine the money the country could save. There would be enough money to make college free for everybody with a 115 IQ and above. Of course, a lot of useless professors would be out of jobs in the grievance study departments followed by their diversity administrators.

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  27. The Ivy Leagues are important only because they are where the rich and powerful send their kids so they meet and marry the right people and make the contacts that enable them to follow in their parents’ footsteps in the professions and business.

    The SAT test was invented by Harvard President, James Conant, ostensibly with the aim of making entry to Harvard meritocratic rather than plutocratic, but it seems to have made no difference, so why should anyone expect more of this new initiative for admissions reform?

    And anyhow, if admission to Harvard became meritocratic, what purpose would it serve? The children of the rich and powerful would obviously go elsewhere, and Harvard would go the way of Oxford and Cambridge, which, having accepted public funding, were compelled to become meritocratic. Thus they came to accept mainly nobodies with all A’s on the entrance exams, who prove after graduation to be the competent people one would expect, but who for the most part, remain what they were to begin with, just among the smarter members of the middle class, not members of the elite.

    The thing to do with the vast financial assets of the Ivy League universities, is to tax them.

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  28. Hey Homer,

    How can students be “organizing” an event that takes place “March 3-4 2012″.

    I guess they’re traveling back to 2012 in a time machine. Perhaps you built it for them with your nuclear engineering expertise.

    Sherm

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  29. I respectfully disagree with
    Unz’s focus on making college free. What the vast majority of American 17 year olds need is free vocational training geared towards their aptitude. College is a waste

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  30. Before you can ask this question, you have to understand that some in society believe nothing is fair until all parties are equal.

    Until the myth that equality = fairness is debunked, there will be no real justice.

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  31. You speak from ignorance.

    Overseas Asians are universally moderate pragmatists who shift between left and right for our interests. The average white, black, or brown liberal is far more ideological than an Asian liberal, because they possess less critical thinking than us.

    Status and wealth is racial progress. These thingsalienate Asians from liberal elites, who prefer their minorities poor and stupid/egalitarian. You are fortunate Asians exist to upends the liberal worldview.

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  32. there are some here who thinks those spots needs to be based on population percentage :) so affirmative action for everyone :) and they are the same people crying about AA for the blacks and hispanic without realizing that they are advocating for AA, on a total scale that includes everyone.

    fuck smart kids, AA for everyone.

    ps: I have to admit that it will at least solve the jewish over representation by everyone going tribal just like the jews currently are.

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  33. “You don’t really believe that Asia is the only place this happens or even that it is a particular standout in this regard, do you?”

    Of course not. Status is a big thing in all societies, even communist ones.

    BUT, some cultures are more prominent in certain characteristics and features.

    It’s like all human groups have crazy elements, but blacks are crazier.

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    And Asians tend to be more conformist, petty, and slavish than other peoples. It could be cultural and historical, but it could also be genetic.
    Asians have a weak sense of individuality, and this isn’t a matter of intelligence. A person of average intelligence can have a strong sense of individuality whereas a person of higher intelligence could be weak in the individuality department.

    Just consider the extent of emperorishness among the Chinese. It went far beyond the Caesarism of the Romans and Tsarism of the Russians.

    Maybe this had something to do with the lack of a great religion in the East.
    The power of God or gods made even the greatest leader bow down to higher forces.
    But in the East, there was no such spiritual idear. So, the most powerful man figured he is truly the greatest thing in the world. To be sure, there was the idea of Mandate of Heaven, but Heaven was a vague concept than a clear one in the West and Near East.

    Since a worldly leader was seen as the greatest power in the world, all matters of morality and ethics became a matter of social status and powers.
    In a more spiritual community, you could be poor and weak but still believe that righteousness is on your side because God is on your side. In the Jewish Bible, God often favors the raggedy Jews to mighty rulers of pagan civilizations. So, Jews developed a sense of individuality and soulful morality above and beyond social power and status.
    And Greeks, due to temperament(fiery Greeks cannot remain slavish for long) and imaginative outlook, developed their own sense of individuality.

    But then, maybe it had something to do with their limited powers. As Jews were surrounded by and outnumbered by other folks, the idea of Jews(especially a single Jew) gaining supreme power seemed ridiculous, at least in the short term. Jews did have a sense that they will one day be masters of the world, but it was in some indefinite time in the future and with the blessing of God.
    Greeks, especially Athenians, gained considerable power and set up colonies all over, but they never mustered enough power to be masters of the universe. Alexander came close but he wasn’t really Greek, he died young, and his empire soon fell apart, and then, it wasn’t long before Romans took over Greeks.
    Romans did become a superpower, as they ruled over so many non-Romans in a patchwork empire, they were filled with constant anxiety and never felt united in power. They knew they were ruling over other peoples than truly integrated with them.

    In contrast, the Chinese emperors came to rule over vast territories for long stretches of time, and this made them feel mighty. Even when dynasties changed, Chinese culture and values remained mostly the same. And as most of their subjects were fellow Chinese, it felt as though all things were one-and-united from top to bottom. Chinese faced threats from northern barbarians, but China was really threatened only when internal strife weakened the empire. Also, even when the barbarians did gain an upperhand, they were fellow yellows who would eventually become absorbed into the Chinese polity and demography.

    Chinese did have a spiritual concept of the Tao, but it was vague and not so much about power but about some ‘way’. It was profound but also fluffy duff.
    So, Chinese culture became all about social power and status.
    To be sure, Confucius did preach righteousness and could be critical about bad leaders and tell them, ‘no eggrolls for you’. But even Confucianism believed in strict hierarchy. It was NOT AGAINST the idea of the great leader. It was for the great leader advised my men of virtue. So, the Confucian scholar or literati wasn’t an independent thinker and intellectual like Socrates or a prophet in the Jewish tradition who stood apart from the establishment. Their ideal was to become part of the establishment to serve and advise the great ruler as the righteous master of the universe. While Confucian scholars were ideally critical of bad rulers, the primacy of social power emphasized that they should, first and foremost, serve their lord. It’s like Zhou En-Lai was a most loyal servant to Mao.

    In some ways, Chinese civilization was quite remarkable because so much of Chinese achievement happened in relative independence of other civilizations. Though stuff from other places gradually seeped into China, China mostly developed in isolation from the rest of the world.

    In contrast, Greeks were lucky cuz they could draw inspiration from other great civilizations from all around them, and of course Romans could draw from the Greeks and other major civilizations. The nearest great civilization to China was India, but even those two cultures mostly remained shut off one another.

    Maybe this insularity — an ideal that rubbed off on the Japanese as well — made the Chinese even more conformist since it made them feel as if they only needed to obey and adhere to the current power/system to survive and thrive.
    Also, for most Chinese of talent and vision, Chinese empire was the only game in town.
    A disgruntled Frenchman could go off to Germany, UK, Poland, Italy, or Russia to share his ideas and gain protection and favors. But a disgruntled Chinese had no such option. So, he knew that his only way of survival and success was by serving the ONLY GAME IN TOWN, the imperial system.

    But maybe yellow slavishness and conformism is genetic. After all, the Mongols were hardly civilized, but they too were slavish even in barbarism. The reason why they were able to conquer to much territory was because of iron discipline. At one time, the Mongols were made up of various tribes and whupping each other, like in the Russian movie with the Japanese guy as Genghis. But once they were united, all Mongols were so totally loyal to the great khan and more than willing to serve as his dogs. We see the same thing in John Wayne as Khan in The Great Conqueror and Omar Sharif as Khan in the 60s movie.

    Anyway, whether due to genetics or culture, yellows are the way they are. If US were dominated by white conservatism, yellows would serve that most loyally. But as US is now controlled by the GLOB, yellows are turning out to be some of the most slavish dogs of PC. They are barking and growling at Trump supporters.

    And because Asians have a weak sense of individuality, they tend to be more anxious and petty, like the peasants in Seven Samurai. They don’t have that John Wayne soul in them. Ethan Edwards in THE SEARCHERS may be a bit crazy, but he isn’t petty. He is passionate about what he has to do, and he will do it. He may even be wrongheaded, but he sticks to his guns like Popeye the Sailor Man. He doesn’t betray what he believes in. And this is what is great about white Southern culture.
    But yellows are born self-betrayers or self-traitors. Lacking in individuality, they are always looking over their shoulders for approval and acceptance. So, they will gladly betray their own values to quickly adopt new ones just to be petted and accepted. Their self-dom dissolves into psychological serfdom to the prevailing power.

    Of course, plenty of whites act like that too. PC is making everyone petty. Even so, PC initially spread among white folks out of the generosity of their spirit and willingness to question their privilege and be more fair. So, even if PC became tarded and demented(and cynically controlled by the GLOB), it partly sprouted out of big-heartedness.

    In contrast, the only modus operandi among yellows is approval and acceptance by any prevailing power and authority. It’s all about the worship of power and privilege.

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  34. You sound like a moron or on drugs and therefore operating in a reality distortion field.

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    Does Harvard still have an annual fundraising campaign seeking donations from alumni? Does it stop I’ll accept donations from alumni? If yes to either, why? Harvard should encourage its alumni to make donations to organizations/institutions that need money and preferably these should include at least some that benefit the middle class.

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    That should be, “Does it still accept …”, not “Does it stop I’ll accept …”

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  37. “Overseas Asians are universally moderate pragmatists who shift between left and right for our interests. The average white, black, or brown liberal is far more ideological than an Asian liberal, because they possess less critical thinking than us.”

    Don’t be Liu-dicrous.

    In a way, you are agreeing with what I’m saying.

    ‘Moderate pragmatists’ means petty opportunists, and indeed, many yellows are that way.

    Also, there is no longer much shift between ‘left’ and ‘right’ among American yellows since the elite society/culture if US is so overwhelmingly ‘leftist’. Harvard, NY, SF, Portland, Seattle, Wall Street, and etc are all hugely Lib-Demo, so that’s where most yellows will go.
    Also, as family values break down among yellows, many will become imitators of US pop culture filled with whore culture and pimp culture. Hardly conservative.

    “The average white, black, or brown liberal is far more ideological than an Asian liberal, because they possess less critical thinking than us.”

    Blacks ideological? Blacks are bootilogical, and all they care about is black, black, black. They be saying Black Jives Matter.
    If blacks were truly ideological in their ‘leftism’, they would stop worshiping rich rappers and side with poor white working class.
    As for browns, they just want more open borders and more welfare cuz it’s good for their power and numbers. Also, look at white Hispanics. They hide ‘people of color’ label to get favors. Hardly ideological.
    And Jews support nationalist Israel but push anti-nationalism in gentile nations. Some ideological purity.

    [MORE]

    The only people who are ideologically consistent(at least more than others) are white Libs, but then, the savvier ones among them(like the Clintons) just make the right proggish noises to gain more privilege and power.

    Yellows are different because they are suckassers either politically or ideologically.

    Political yellow suckassers are, as you say, ‘moderate pragmatists’. They will just go with the prevailing power, and in the current US, it is the Jews, homos, and mulattoes.
    These yellows have no principles. They just want a piece of the pie.
    But they are different from the ‘mod prags’ of other groups in one important sense: they have a very weak sense of ethnic identity and pride.

    Blacks mod-prags may play at suckassing too, but they are still all about blackness and black pride. They may serve the Jews and others, but they still have a sense of blackness apart from non-black powerverse.

    This is true of Browns too, though browns tend to be less vocal or energized than the blacks. Browns think in terms of ‘we shall overwhelm’, at least in the Southwest. They figure that time is on their side, and SW will revert black to Mexico for all practical purposes. So, Browns are ultimately for brown power.

    And even though Jews had to serve wasps on their rise to power and even though homos had to serve straights in the past, both groups never abandoned their self-centrism and group identity/interests. They served other more powerful groups in order to rise up and gain total power for themselves.

    But this isn’t so with yellows. Now, the hindus are different because the Asian-Indian personality is more like that of Jews: pushy and colorful.
    The yellows, in contrast, are colorless and bland, indeed even more so than white northern Europeans. Even when yellows act wild, it is in pure imitation of other groups. Jews have their own pushy style of personality. Blacks have their own black style. Hindus have their own style. Even Mexicans have some of this, especially when they go around calling each other ‘foo’ for ‘fool’.
    But yellows are so lacking in style that they either remain colorless or totally imitate other groups and make themselves look stupid doing it.

    So, if ultimately, Jews, blacks, homos, browns, Hindus, Muslims, and etc are out for their own power and pride, it is different with yellows.

    Non-yellow minorities may make compromises and act pragmatic for the time being, but they are all about ‘me, me, me, us, us, us’. They think in terms of ‘we serve you for the time being so that you will serve us’. Jews served wasps but now wasps serve Jews. Negroes once served whites, but whites now cuck out to Negroes. Browns now serve whites but browns look to a future when SW will be an extension of the Mex empire.
    And Hindus look do the day when 100s of millions of dotkins shall arrive from India and flood the West as India is still a mega-baby-making factory. Also, as hindus have a colorful personality, they don’t just try to be like Americans. Some of them are even proud of their ridiculous accents. And even when they lose their accents, they still come up with their own style of talking that is distinct from rest of America.

    In contrast, yellows go mod-prag to really serve the other groups. They happy to be the servile dog. That is the end-all of yellow mod-prag-ism. To serve forever than to serve now to be served later. Now, some yellows do it for opportunism.

    But if some yellows are merely servile, others are servile AND earnest. And they swallow 100% of PC. Consider the yellow mentality of China. How did China, with no history of communism, become so nutsoid communist under Mao in a few short yrs? I mean Stalin had to use extreme force to ‘persuade’ Ukrainians and others to go along with his collectivization program.
    In contrast, Mao told Chinese, “let’s all be crazy and stupid”, and 100s of millions of Chinese just went along blindly and loyally. That is the most tarded form of earnestness. And yellow PC-mentality is that of the true-believer.

    You see, blacks may support PC but never against black interests.
    Browns may support PC but never against brown interest.
    Homos may support PC but never against homo interest.
    Jews may support PC but never against Jewish interests. (Though there are some dissenters like Norman Finkelstein, Mondoweiss guy, and others.)

    But earnest yellows will serve PC even against yellow interests cuz some of them are as earnestly tarded as the Swedes and other northern Europeans.

    So, you see, yellows should all go back to Asia. It would be good for them and for whites.
    Yellows in the West will not serve yellow interest but the interests of the GLOB. Worse, they will take this influence and spread it to Asia itself, and then Asia will become like nutty Sweden and Germany with their insane PC and ‘diversity’-worship.
    So, yellows in the West are only hurting themselves.

    But yellows will also hurt whites cuz so many of them will serve the GLOB against white interests and identity.

    I kid you not. Look at the poll numbers:

    http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/187577/bernie-sanders-popular-candidate-among-asian-americans.aspx

    Yellows like Sanders most. Not because they really thought about the issues but because the yellow mod-prags want approval from the yuppie lib class(that wanna look and feel ‘progressive’ by supporting Sanders who is a totally SWPL thing and not a true commie) and because yellow-earnest-commissars truly believe in the PC fed to them in schools.

    Though there are Mifune-types among yellows, most of them are like the young samurai in SANJURO.

    As long as US is controlled by the GLOB, yellow elites will serve as collaborator-toadies against white interests. So, it is bad for whites.
    But it is bad for yellows back home also because Americanized yellows will serve as collaborator-agents to turn yellowland into a mere vassal of the US, like what has become of most of EU.

    I mean you can’t even keep your ho’s.

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    I’m trying to wrangle 3 signatures myself from out in San Francisco, one of them involved in education reform herself. Will pass note if they get on board.
    Good luck!

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  39. This is a very honest/noble but misguided idea; it just is not a political possibility starting from here. It’s just a distraction from the real issues. Making the HYP schools free to start with, is a terrible idea, for not just the knock-on effects on state schools, it is a recipe for lop-sided entitlements, useless degrees generated and a culture of shiftlessness.

    Put a one-time levy on Harvard or any school with a multi-billion endowment, take away their tax-free status and MOST importantly, make it really difficult to get into colleges. (this can be done through SATs: no one below 700 on each part plus 750 on subject tests. Don’t depend on High school grades much, since those are subjective, favor rote learners, and not comparable across schools). College should be there only for the top academic talent. Most people should go to trade schools. Set up the trade schools funded by the levies on Harvard, Yale Princeton etc.

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  40. a quality education is a great investment for any community; so if harvard can afford to be an all scholarship school why not?

    regis high school in new york city have been doing it for over one hundred years, and they have given many talented boys from underprivileged economic back ground an opportunity that they would not otherwise have.

    as for the fairness issue regarding the asians; yes we have been discriminated against for many years. however we will be just fine thank you very much. hard work will always see us through. we may not end up at the elite universities nor will we be elected into the most exclusive social clubs, but in the end we do ok. the bankers love us, and that is good enough for many of us.

    btw we are more creative and you think, and yes we can be very humorous too.

    case in point i actually think that someone reasonable will read this comment and agree with me.

    isn’t that funny?

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  41. As a graduate of Harvard Law School, am I deemed an “alumnus” of Harvard University for purposes of the petition?

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  42. any one graduating harvard is deemed a “criminal” and warrants a prison cell with a graduate of u of chicago

    harvard’s endowment should go to victims of harvard’s grads.

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  43. East Asian immigrants are not a organized group who have political collective pretensions just a million of individuals and its families who are trying to adapt, on average, in foreigner coasts, not so different than white middle classes who also micro-adapt to new reality when they are guilty by every shit that happened throughout inhuman “history”.

    Would be interesting analyze east Asian (generically speaking) behavior in second, third, fourth generation.

    Most of them immigrate from the very distant nations like China, thanks to the bizarre world perspective where Japan is in the other side of the world while California is geographically near, recapitulating, most of them immigrate with its families as well happened with European immigrants in the XIX and XX century and sustain certain behavioral cultural trends but seems most them aculturalized very well, specially the youngers.

    My premature and useless opinion about “this” topic by now.

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  44. Harvard is already tuition-free for middle and low income. Families with incomes of $180,000 or lower are only expected to contribute 10% down to 0%. Room and board alone is $15,000 and many students don’t even pay that.

    Family Income Average Cost

    $0-$30,000 $3,897
    $30,001-$48,000 $2,977
    $48,001-$75,000 $5,405
    $75,001-$110,000 $13,604
    $110,001+ $36,946

    https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University

    This kid’s family earned too much for decent financial aid so he turned down all of the Ivies for a free ride at the University of Alabama. http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

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  45. Do you remember the stink Asians made about not getting into University of California law schools years ago because their relatively poorer command of the English language caused them to do poorly on the LSAT compared to whites. There they were all for some type of set-aside then.

    Fairness to them means quotas when they do poorly and no quotas when the do well.

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  46. While I agree that too many people are in college, exactly what are these people in trade schools going to learn about? Everything in a trade school is being automated away or technological advances have made it easier for somebody with little training to replace them.

    Robotic welders can do even the most difficult welding jobs like pipe welding and are so consistent and precise than they put 99% of the human welders to shame. The only advantage to the human is in a repair situation where he has to get there quick, set up and do the job before too much more money is lost. Production level work no longer needs human welders like production level jobs no longer need journeymen machinists.

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  47. >>> Production level work no longer needs human welders like production level jobs no longer need journeymen machinists.

    The results of a Harvard education on display: “we don’t need craftsmen anymore”.

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    Most Asians in California support affirmative action in general, as do a majority of whites in California:

    http://www.naasurvey.com/reports/field-2014-affaction.html

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  49. …immediately eliminating undergraduate tuition as being unnecessary…

    Consider this in light of the proper definition of “tuition”:

    teaching, ​especially when given to a ​small ​group or one ​person, such as in a ​college or ​university: All ​students ​receive tuition in ​logic and ​metaphysics.
    [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/tuition

    It’s not necessary to teach students anything at Harvard. Connections are enough!

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  50. Crony Capitalism is the only real kind there is.

    Still, better crony capitalism than crony socialism. At least the radiators work.

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  51. College should be there only for the top academic talent.

    Students got a better education back in the pre-”meritocracy” legacy days. You got in because dad and granddad got in. (And grandmom got into Radcliffe.)

    Why is it, as the students get smarter, what comes out of their mouths gets dumber?

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  52. if harvard can afford to be an all scholarship school why not?

    regis high school in new york city have been doing it for over one hundred years

    And when a boy is graduated from Regis High, he can continue his studies at <a title=’"https://www.berea.edu/&quot;’ href="https://www.berea.edu/&quot; at Berea College in Kentucky, which has had the same policy for even longer.

    Has anyone investigated how well this has worked for Bereans over the years? Especially anyone in Cambridge?

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  53. Yeah, that is why Prop 209 passed, all those whites supporting it. It would take that poll over a bunch of people afraid to answer what they really thought.

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  54. Craftsmen are one thing people doing production level work is something else. When was the last time you watched people doing residential construction work?

    There aren’t enough people around who can afford to pay 5000 dollars for a custom bench rest rifle to provide jobs for people.

    By the way, have you actually seen what robotic welders and 6 axis machining stations can do?

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  55. yes

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    White people only say these things about Asians because they do not want to compete against them.

    They want to rig the game in their favor is all it is.

    Rigging the hame is Harvard to a T.

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  57. The article’s most important point is transparency on the top. It does not matter what is the label of the shade-loving flowers that have been “correcting” this country’ direction. While some citizens are scared of such terrible “socialist” demands as the universal health care and free college education in the US, the prominent Harvard alumni Messrs. Summers (former president of Harvard University), Lloyd Blankfein (CEO of Goldman Sachs), Ben Bernanke (former Fed Chairman) have been promoting and practicing the real socialism for mega-banks (see Quantitative Easing).

    https://shadowproof.com/2013/09/20/federal-reserve-program-is-socialism-for-the-rich/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/borrowing/10105959/QE-is-socialism.-It-should-be-illegal.html

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  58. You may not be listening to the the best students today (a result of media deliberately dumbing down messages for general consumption), which is why it might sound dumber to you. The top 10% of students today are significantly smarter than the top 10% of yesteryear (measured any number of ways; AP classes in: calculus, statistics, physics, chemistry, history, literature etc. routinely taken in HS by top students are easily college level, the depth and breadth of courses offered are much more advanced for non-AP non-honors classes as well, and, all of this, is more or less unremarkable in the current context!). The trouble today, stems from a surfeit of average and lower than average students going to college for wishy-washy degrees. MarkinLA also has a very good observation regarding the emergence of robots in production processes.

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  59. In this day and age, I don’t think you can get away from the kind of socialism complained about here. It is how things work.

    Unz’s “transparency” is just the same process picking different winners.

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  60. They want to rig the game in their favor is all it is.

    Harvard’s goal is to pick the best students. Do you think they are not doing this?

    You imply they are picking too many Whites. They should probably pick more, since Whites build and maintain the kind of societies that others move to and emulate. What Asian society has the problem of too many people wanting to move there? Who makes a point to copy what they have created?

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    Harvard is definately not doing this. They hire priveldged sons of the elite.

    Actually, Harvard is not admitting enough whites. A true meritocracy would see enrollment of whites and Asians increase at the expense of blacks and latinos.

    And as far as whites building the kind of societies people move to, give me a break lol. Unz plan is at its heart about making making a fairer society that has transparency not politics.

    The white people here trying to argue their way out if competing with others shows why this is needed.

    Finally, people move to white societies just because that is where the money is. Nothing else. And why do white societies have money? Because America practices dollar hegemony and can print money at will. Also America wrecks any country it perceives as a threat.

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  62. “Unz’s “transparency” is just the same process picking different winners.”

    Disagree. Unz suggests a straightforward approach to a systematic problem as applied to a concrete case. His solution includes a real transparency, not “transparency.”
    On a topic of socialism: Why socialism for the mega-banks (mega corporations) should be accepted? Because “It is how things work?” Who made these rules?
    According to the Princeton study, the US are a plutocracy. Is not meritocracy highly desirable for a healthy and well-functioning society? The more transparency the better.

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150427/1021431612.html

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  63. Also America wrecks any country it perceives as a threat.

    I know you think what you wrote is clever. It is not.

    Here are two lists of countries:

    1. Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan.

    2. China, the EU, India, Japan.

    Notice how the first list is composed of countries which are essentially irrelevant to the US while the second list is composed of major powers?

    Now which list did America actually attack?

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  64. We need to grapple more with what this comment raises. If the mass of humanity is programmed to hunt and gather in some fashion, what do we do when there is no longer any form of hunting and gathering left for people? This essay is prescient.

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  65. You use even more forward slashes than anonguy does.

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  66. What I would like to see “most” in Harvard’s admission process is a “smarts without evil” requirement.

    One that seeks to discriminate as much on the “moral integrity” of the applicant as their high IQ. Seeking out applicants who have a strong sense of right and wrong should be given increasing weight every year in the admissions process.

    Seriously? You want Harvard to select applicants on the basis of how moral Harvard thinks those applicants are? You do realise that other people have different moral values to you?

    Harvard’s morality is couched in progressivism. You would have to list Caitlyn Jenner as one of your heroes just to get interviewed…

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  67. Harvard is definitely not doing this. They hire privileged sons of the elite.

    Are these privileged sons of the elites not pulling their weight? Are they not performing? Do you know people who are more deserving of those slots? Maybe Harvard should hire you to run the admissions office and the place would just fly; fly baby fly; high into the sky!

    Finally, people move to white societies just because that is where the money is. Nothing else. And why do white societies have money? Because America practices dollar hegemony and can print money at will. Also America wrecks any country it perceives as a threat.

    But Sweden and Germany don’t have the dollar or Bernanke’s et al printing presses, and they are desired destinations. What northern European based countries do to make themselves the pinnacle of social arrangements are available to any country, yet few can replicate it.

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  68. US is no longer a Democracy

    It never was. Let’s not kid ourselves.

    I don’t like the way our banks are set up and run, but the debate here is how much planning and how much oversight we should have from the central authorities; it is not a stark choice between “free market” and “socialism”.

    It is the same with college admissions. Unz acts like he want to write a program that admits kids by SAT rank order. This is a plan no better and probably worse than what is in place now.

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  69. Also America wrecks any country it perceives as a threat.

    Why wouldn’t we, when the world’s capitals name their boulevards after invasive vermin like Wilson, Roosevelt, and Kennedy?

    There’s even a Trumanstrasse in Wiesbaden. Why anyone outside of Kansas City would name a street after America’s greatest war criminal is a mystery to me.

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  70. Now which list did America actually attack?

    We attacked half of list #2. Britain attacked the other half.

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  71. – You are absolutely right, free tuition is ridiculous. It should be free for those in STEM fields. It should be not free and doubled for those majoring in useless degrees like gender/ethnic studies. The very rich should be charged an extremely high price for their child to attend, sort of a sliding scale based on income. One of the major reasons why tuition is so high is because of the massive increases of 6 figure administrators. Academia has become the Academic Welfare State and liberals have been gorging themselves on $1 trillion of taxpayer funded student loans. A great example is Fauxcahontus Warren who earned $350k for teaching just two courses. There is a great disparity between Harvard Business and Harvard Medical regarding faculty salaries and other perks. Harvard Med is stingy and Harvard Business is profligate. Which adds more value to society? Researchers at HMS who do groundbreaking work or professors at HBS who churn out amoral economic criminals like Skilling or Rajat Gupta? Ron Unz’s advocation of free tuition completely misunderstands the point of having an endowment. Indeed, I agree completely with fizziks regarding the level of research activities that need to be funded. Is there waste and mismanagement there? Yes, but that’s completely separate from the tuition debate.

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  72. But when east asians need to immigrate to the ‘white nations’ the first and fundamental step of this ”competition” was won.

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  73. All Ivy leagues have aprox. 125.600 students (wikipaedia’s source, well…)

    in 2011, 23% were jewish or 28,888

    23% were non-jewish white or 28,888

    16% ”asian” ( i assumed, ”east asians”) or 20,096

    11% unknown race or 13,816

    6 to 8 million jewish-americans, 0,5% of them are in one of ivy leagues

    190 to 188 million of non-jewish and non-hispanic white americans or simply euro-americans, 0,014% them

    18 million asian-americans (included non-”east asian” asians) ( unknown race is non-important here), 0,11% them…

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  74. That is all far too far back in history to be relevant. I mean if you include Britain and America over the last 200 years then you could just list the whole world.

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  75. 2% of a population with average iq (scores) 100 will score 130 or more. We will assume that ”exactly” 2% of non-jewish non-hispanic white americans scores 130 or more (and starting by, in my opinion, relatively wrong hypothesis of linearity of giftedness levels by psychometric standards)

    =

    there are 3,8 million of white americans par excellence who scores 130 or more on iq tests (0,7% of them are in one of ”ivy league” universities),

    Looking for ”bell curve” and estipulating that if average iq of jewish americans is 107 so 7% of them ”will score” 130 or more

    … if ”logically speaking” a population A with average iq 115, i look for the classical bell curve with average 100 and change the % chart and divide by the half …. like, 13% of people ”with” iq scores 130 or more if the average is 115, but ”we’ don’t know what is the real shape of bell curve distribution among ashkenazi jews.

    420 mil – 560 mil of jewish americans ”will’ score 130 or more (despising the umbalanced cognitive nature of ashkenazi intelligence), (6,8% of them are in one of the ”ivy leagues”).

    ”Same” hypothetical average iq and normal or linear’ (standard) distribution for ”asian-americans”, 107 and 7% among psychometrically ”gifted” ones.

    1,26 million of ”gifted” asian-americans and 1,58% of them are in of the ”ivy leagues”.

    I could try to estimate by people with 15-45 years but i don’t know if my thought is predominantly right and i don’t have will to continue.

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  76. Fred did have a column about this issue. The problem exists because money is used to allocate resources. As long as something has to be “profitable” things will get worse.

    You could do something like put millions of people on Cancer research. Even dumb people can be utilized to run samples back and forth between machines running tests. It just depends on the perspective. Most likely 85% of those people are just wasting space. However, that is all they were doing before so we don’t lose anything by putting them on the project provided they don’t get in the way of people really accomplishing something. It does become an issue when the enterprise is “losing” money in our current system.

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  77. The first order of business should be to rid Harvard of the riff-raff. Any ideas?

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  78. Ok, I just got home. I‘ll check it out.

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  79. Why wouldn’t we, when the world’s capitals name their boulevards after invasive vermin like Wilson, Roosevelt, and Kennedy?

    People love to name things after conquerors. And they’re they’re preferable to Hitler and Stalin.

    “There’s even a Trumanstrasse in Wiesbaden. Why anyone outside of Kansas City would name a street after America’s greatest war criminal is a mystery to me.”

    Small potatoes when compared to giants like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan,….

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  80. Well actually , I would like Harvard to consider the “moral integrity” of their candidates,…. absolutely !

    But I think to help you out in understanding what I mean…..I don’t want Harvard to “decide” how “moral” they are…that seems like a pedantic and sophomoric statement…I want Harvard to weigh their capacity for” moral integrity” and make that criteria nearly as equal to their intelligence.

    Why?

    Because we don’t really need a lot more “evil geniuses” running around. We have enough of those actively destroying the world and inflicting unconscionable suffering on the lives of tens of millions of innocent people…..

    We don’t “need” a lot more world leaders who believe “fraud is good”. We have way too many of those, making a mess of things as it is.

    We don’t really “need” a lot more “smart ” people in power who like to “defraud”.

    We need a lot more , right now, who don’t.

    I think that should be a criteria for gaining acceptance to Harvard, today, as much as anything else.

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    The Euro is the complementary left hand to the dollars right for the Anglo Zionist empire. That’s why EU countries all have generous welfare packages because they print money just as America does.

    This is why Russia, which is a white country that is non EU, does not have gen throngs of foreigners lining up to move there.

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    But Sweden and Germany don’t have the dollar or Bernanke’s et al printing presses, and they are desired destinations. What northern European based countries do to make themselves the pinnacle of social arrangements are available to any country, yet few can replicate it.

    Most migrants seem to go to northern European countries because the governments there are hell-bent on giving away free stuff to them. Otherwise they don’t seem to find it too enticing:

    https://news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261316/lazy-refugee-went-europe-didnt-get-free-stuff-went-daniel-greenfield

    If you have money, southern Europe is generally more pleasant to stay in because of the climate and lifestyle there. That’s why a lot of northern Europeans and others vacation and retire there.

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  83. This is autism. Agreeing to a (non multikult) shared definition of moral integrity and then testing for it is not going to happen at Harvard these days.

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  84. Would East Asian style cram schools and rote memorization work with White kids? Has anyone tried this seriously? Does the helicopter style of parenting work with white kids as well as it does with Korean kids? What if say Finland, Slovakia, or Lithuania decided to just import the South Korean school system and just literally xeroxed it but using white high schoolers instead of Koreans, would it work wonders or have the opposite effect?

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  85. You don’t say.

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  86. Lol. Let the hate out, champ.

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  87. 420 mil – 560 mil of jewish americans ”will’ score 130 or more (despising the umbalanced cognitive nature of ashkenazi intelligence), (6,8% of them are in one of the ”ivy leagues”).

    um…can you please explain (ignoring some curious misspellings), when in the history of mankind, leave alone in America, was the jewish population 420-560 mil? Had it actually existed, given an average IQ orf 105-110 or so, America would have been a far better place: saner, better governance, modern thinkers who would keep the bible thumpers under control etc.

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  88. It is difficult to understand from your strange writing style, what you mean sincerely, as opposed to irony, in view of the surfeit of quotation marks (“”).

    Harvard, you likely did not attend; and do tell us exactly how you are going to measure a student’s moral integrity? (1) by asking the student? (2) by designing tests? (3) by glaring hard at their faces? (4) some other bureaucracy enhancing scheme from your misguided SJW brain?

    Harvard is for the truly smart leaders of the future. Some of them will likely turn out to be undesirable, but many more the opposite.

    You want to convert Harvard to Universidad Che Guevara!!

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  89. % of Jewish population with iq scores 130 or more.

    6 to 8 million (total jewish american population)

    7% of 6-8 million

    420-560 thousand.

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  90. Are you feeling alright, Unit8200 ?

    I am sure with your chosen name of Unit8200, your ability to understand much beyond the fifth grade level would be hard to make an argument for?

    No doubt you are among those wandering goons of society, who can’t help but have a stupid grin on their face at having been defrauded out of 19 trillion dollars of our national solvency to prosecute feckless and illegal wars of aggression in the middle east ?

    I am sure you would be even more delighted, when our national debt reaches the 100 trillion dollar mark….then all the money left, to do anything,will have vanished into thin air.

    Maybe you cannot fathom the possibility that a modicum of moral integrity on the part of our Nations leaders, groomed for public service in our finer institutions, like Harvard, could well have avoided the catastrophes that are underway both at home and abroad ?

    Maybe to you, the” fraud” that has brought us to this point, is all good ?

    Maybe you can’t even “see” the problem ?

    Maybe your incapacity to distinguish the real from fictitious issues our nation faces, and their causes, is a result of your lack of brain power to understand them, not your ability to distinguish right from wrong ?

    Maybe its both ?

    Since the complete absence of “moral integrity” is a condition you aspire too, with every fiber of your being, and “demand” it of our Universities..perhaps you can entertain me with your notion of what society should (or would) look like, absent all knowledge of right and wrong ?

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  91. I am reluctant to approve pure meritocracy,
    if the latter is identified with the test results only.
    Consider me jingoistic, but I have a feeling
    that majority of Chinese “meritocrats” do not have the notion “Nobless Oblige”
    in their mode of operation.
    I will skip my small family examples.
    But read Amy Chua’s books: nowhere you can sense the “Oblige” part there,
    with plenty of “Nobless”.

    A distant relative is married to a Google employee (programmer.)
    She complains, how difficult for her (their, white) son
    to attend (elementary) public school there in San Jose,
    due to abundance of Chinese pupils. My observation:
    He is quite capable boy, but still … .

    Disclaimer: I do know personally excellent people of Chinese ethnicity,
    who are not only brilliant scientists, but also very good persons.

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  92. Harvard is rendering a service.

    People should pay for that service. Why should it be free? Because people expect something for nothing?

    Free classes would teach students to be more entitled than they already are.

    Give something of value to get something of value.

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  93. I can second to your opinion that majority of Chinese do not have “Noblesse Oblige”. Again, this is a sweeping generalization.

    The idea of “Noblesse Oblige” only exists when you are in true noble position. Most of Chinese in the US are immigrants, and if you expect them to have “Noblesse Oblige”, you should also check if White immigrants also have Noblesse Oblige. Most of the time, Majority of Immigrants do not have that, be it Whites or whatever.

    Noblesse Oblige is only palpable when you are in true position of “Nobleness”. Unless you immigrate to the US with loads of monies, you’re bound to have a sense of “Self survival” first. Otherwise, there’s no way to act as a Noble in a foreign country.

    I for one truly support “Pure Meritocracy”. If my children, my relatives, my whatever can’t do what’s required for their admission into higher institution, so be it. This is what is supposed to be. If there would be dog fight to gain admission into Harvard, let them fight.
    If there need an intense pressure to obtain higher social status, let them have a boiler pressure.

    The only thing I expect is “Let there be transparency”.

    If Whites are better at verbal skill to gain strong hold in Legal profession, let them have it.
    If EAsians are better at conceptualizing idea and doing experiment, let them excel in STEM fields.

    If Whites are complaining why they’re not getting seats at STEM fields, I’d say study bejesus out of their brains, instead of late night partying.
    If EAsians are complaining why they’re not getting seats at Law department, I’d say go and exercise their freaking mouths and verbalize their thoughts instead of mere smiling and nodding their heads.

    My observation:
    He is quite capable boy, but still … .

    This is only your observation. My observation is if he can’t show his result, then get out. “Capable” does not equate to “Rights to be part of it”. Only the best and the fittest will get you where you want to be. This is nothing to do with “Noblesse Oblige”. This is what I called “Evolution of Education”.

    The future I see is nobody will give a damn on kids not having enough playing time. The humans evolution is going towards higher brain development, i.e., higher neurons functions and capability to conceptualize abstract idea. Our legs are not prehensile as it used to be to survive in a jungle. Our body are not as hairy as it used be for protection. We came a long way and now it’s going to be brainy evolution in the future.

    This is how I see kids in the future.

    Maybe in future, you need 1 hour to calculate even with a calculator, those kids will be kicking your butts.

    Then we will have “Asian Noblesse Oblige” not to kick those slowpokes butts.

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  94. You are really demonstrating the problem with having immigration and a welfare state including state subsidized higher ed in a multiracial society. Everyone looks out for themselves and many public goods are in fact a zero sum game. I’ve had foreign born roommates with ivy league experience complain about white privilege. Most people are going to say the game is rigged if they didn’t get want out of life and little incentive to contribute to public goods.

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  95. The German sociologist Witfogel wrote extensively on oriental despotism and Chinese bureaucracy as self reinforcing social networks of power disinterested in the rule of law or economic reality. It explains why intelligent Asian students feel like they are a failure if they aren’t the best in class cramming for tests that may or may not matter. It explains why Asian societies spend so much time keeping everyone in their place. It explains why rich Asians move to the west when they have enough money to do so. We don’t want to become asia.

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  96. Dear Rdm, you wrote:
    If my children, my relatives, my whatever can’t do what’s required for their admission into higher institution, so be it.”
    Did you mean by that “if my whatever” can’t cheat to a degree the competitors can, “so be it”?
    You can read numerous Steve Sailer’s posts about the cheating during tests in China.

    You jumped upon my distant relative’s son, “it is only your (i.e. IffU’s) observation”. OK, let us not talk about elementary school, where, according to you, he “can’t show his result, then get out.” He actually can’t show social fitness in Chinese surrounding, his results in math and writing are very good. Chinese parents of those elementary school kids are employees of Google, Apple, etc., so they are not your ”Most of the time, Majority of Immigrants do not have that, be it Whites or whatever”. They do “have that.

    Let us talk about my personal experience. A Chinese classmate of our daughter regularly came to our house to copy math homework from our daughter at 11-th grade. Eventually that classmate became valedictorian and was accepted to Harvard U., which she finished in English literature and later became a lawyer in Missouri.
    I do not complain that our daughter was rejected from H.U. She did OK: got magna cum laude from Chem. Dept. of Cornell U. and got Ph.D. in biomedical research from one of the top Universities in California. I will skip the STEM Ph.D. stories of two my sons.

    Anyhow, you assume that the competition is honest. God help you with that assumption, and I sincerely whish the God to help your kids and your whatever. Honest, no hard feelings.

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  97. You are confused with a recent flood of refugee into Europe (esp Germany) Vs transparency in higher institutional admission.

    Immigration =/= Admission into Higher Education (aka Harvard etc etc etc)

    But your frustration of rampant immigration and state subsidized higher ed is understandable.

    I don’t support free tuition at Harvard, which would be ridiculous. But I do support transparency in admission.
    I don’t support Affirmative Action. But I do support holistic consideration for applicants background.

    So where do I stand? Yes, I do stand on “Pure meritocracy”.

    It explains why intelligent Asian students feel like they are a failure if they aren’t the best in class cramming for tests that may or may not matter.

    MSM really do a good job of feeding you this nonsense. But I’d try here to give you an insight on how Asians think. No Asians feel like a failure if they aren’t the best in class. But all Asians feel like what else they could have done to achieve the best if they’re not getting what they want. If all Asian feel like failure everytime they’re not the best in class, you can expect there would be more than 1 billion failing Asians because there’s only “ONE” spot in the class to be the best, and the rest automatically become a “failure”.

    So when Asian feel frustrated over not getting perfect score in SAT/GRE/GMAT/MCAT/USMLE, they’re not frustrated because they feel like they’re not the best, feel ashamed of other Asians. No it’s not the exact feeling. They are IN FACT frustrated because the bar they hope to overcome, the mental goal in their endeavors is the maximum obtainable score and they aim to achieve that.

    It explains why rich Asians move to the west when they have enough money to do so. We don’t want to become asia.

    There’s a saying in the East Asia if you care to measure.
    Except very high prestigious universities like Ivy (HYP, Columbia, Cornell, etc etc) and Top 20, anyone who went to the West are in fact the ones who couldn’t get into Top universities in their home country. That’s why Rich Asians want to migrate out of their homeland where their progeny have to fight intense pressure whereas in the West, just a mere study of multiplication table up to 13 will lend their kids into Stuyvesant. Go figure.

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  98. To suggest that wealth comes from money printing is specious and smacks of magical thinking.

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  99. Most migrants seem to go to northern European countries because…

    For whatever reason they are coming, staying, and increasing; while turning their new home into a version of from where they came.

    What was Europe is disappearing, and taking with it their future discoveries and accomplishments.

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  100. I am certain that I have a unique outlook in things here. I worked for several companies in years past as a manager for collection agencies collecting on federally defaulted loans and have seen personally the complete lack of accountability in these organizations. The purpose of going to school as an adult should be to position one’s self in place where you are going to receive a positive rate of return on investment from the activity – not just going to a physical building that some bureaucrat designates as education. Most people don’t learn things in the schools that are absolutely essential to their jobs anyways. You say that you just want meritocracy but who is to judge this supposed ‘meritocracy’ – the bureaucrats that have insulated themselves from economic reality? Do we really need more stem workers? I have worked at collection agencies with people who have degrees in computer science, finance, information systems. What we need is a tax system that empowers people to be able to start their own organizations and better credit facilities than we have now. Education reform won’t change anything.

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  101. Deluge of inane drivel, unoriginal SJW tripe, cluelessness about economics, all in one neat package.

    Is it a bit much to pose the question to you once again : how do you “measure” a student’s integrity prior to admission? Ask the Maker, or glare at him hard during the interview?

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  102. Dear ex-USSR,

    Did you mean by that “if my whatever” can’t cheat to a degree the competitors can, “so be it”?
    You can read numerous Steve Sailer’s posts about the cheating during tests in China.

    Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, Cheating is prevalent in China. A Chinese student who has been cheating his whole life ever since he started memorizing multiplication table back in China. Now as a part of admission requirement for the US, he cheated his test and luckily got admitted into Harvard U for his undergrad or PhD study. Do you honestly believe that THAT Chinese student will succeed and become an employee in Google?

    If you believe so, well … I just have to say American universities are not as good as they claim to be for someone who has been cheating his whole life and succeed an American dream.

    If you believe such a student will not succeed, I’m also in agreement with you. I’m not saying Cheating as a virtue. I’m pointing out that even Cheating is prevalent in China, and somehow they passed the test and got into American universities, how far can they go in their lives with cheating? If they can still do well in the US, it’s because they’re still cheating? or they’re truly an overachiever?

    He actually can’t show social fitness in Chinese surrounding, his results in math and writing are very good.

    Let’s be honest. That’s the two sides of the coin we’re looking at.
    If you put a Chinese kid into a group of non-Chinese kids, I can bet the Chinese kid cannot show his social fitness in non-Chinese surrounding as well.

    Chinese parents of those elementary school kids are employees of Google, Apple, etc., so they are not your ”Most of the time, Majority of Immigrants do not have that, be it Whites or whatever”. They do “have that.”

    For the first time, I’d say there are a few Chinese I don’t like at all. Yes, they have money. They have wealth. But they are locust of the society. They are basically cesspool.

    Let us talk about my personal experience. A Chinese classmate of our daughter [sic] [sic] [sic]……I will skip the STEM Ph.D. stories of two my sons.

    First let me congratulate you for having such a wonderful family. You must be proud and you should be.

    First a classmate of your daughter, copying 11th math grade and got into HU is, I’d say, not a major driving force to get into HU. If someone can copy 11th math grade with mere perseverance and work ethic, I’d say HU is blind and they should do a better job at admission screening.

    The fact of the matter here is, both your daughter and her classmate got into Ivy says something about their strong academic performance and work ethic, rather than copying 11th math grade and becoming a valedictorian for sheer luck. If a Chinese classmate got in to Podunk University although she is a valedictorian, while your daughter got into Cornell U, then it’s clear that 11-th math grade copying does help her in high school. Otherwise, I’ll be damned.

    Anyhow, you assume that the competition is honest. God help you with that assumption, and I sincerely whish the God to help your kids and your whatever. Honest, no hard feelings.

    I do not assume that competition is honest. I don’t even expect competition to be perfect. In fact, there won’t be 100% perfect competition at all.

    However among the variable factors we humans possess, and accumulate over time, and even more complicated as they interact each other to produce something of we can observe and witness, I genuinely believe that Standardized Tests are at least reliable source to gauge one’s future performance in their academic endeavor. They shouldn’t be used alone, but they should be one of the criteria in their admission process.

    Imagine a scenario; there are 3 applicants
    1. A valedictorian girl with straight As
    2. Mere achiever, but Einstein daughter
    3. Top 20 in class, but poor background

    If only one seat is available, which one you choose?

    Before you answer, I just want to point out that, even before Ivy league look at those 3 applicants qualifications and background, they have already set their quotas solely based on “Ethnicity of the applicants”. And you go figure!

    That’s why Ron Unz and others are making a motion that there should be more transparency coming from Top Elite universities such as Harvard.

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    The reason why I fully support “Meritocracy” is because we are dealing with Higher Education. Higher education should be Meritocracy based institution. We all make progress and improve our lives is because of Higher Institutions. All our technology, sciences, medicine, they all come from Higher Ed. If this is screwed for legacy or nepotism or affirmative action, we’ll be doomed.

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  103. Maybe, Unit 8200,

    After years of truly applying yourself, very hard, you will muster the minutiae of brain power needed to actually read our national debt clock….and understand it.

    Let me know when that day has finally arrived, and we can strive to have a conversation on the matter, that is worth our time and effort.

    Until that day arrives…what is the point ?

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  104. Dear Rdm:
    I am glad that you have the final word in the argument.

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  105. Listen little darling (you are a girl), try not to use big words with an intent to impress. For example, “minutiae of brain power”, badly misplaces the first word in that sentence. You might use it, e.g., in the context of laws, engineering processes etc., but not when speaking of brain power, which though it indeed is , a highly complex system, is poorly understood by the best of brain researchers, leave alone self-important little SJWs.

    As far as the “debt-clock” is concerned, its amply evident that you have received your “insights” from the usual, ignorant , alarmist internet sites. Try to read more authentic and economically sound sources: The CBO’s website, Brad Delong’s website, might be two good starters.

    Finally, pumpkin, any further thoughts regarding how you propose to gauge a student’s integrity during the admission process? I guess not…….

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  106. One aspect of the Harvard admissions process has been overlooked, and needs to be addressed.

    Those noble souls that committed themselves to selfless review of countless essays, scores, transcripts, recommendation letters, emoluments and such down through the generations will need to be mollified. They represent keepers of secrets, nay, even admissions-eaters, and must be, ahem, bought off. Otherwise, knowledge of who got in why would leak into the public purview, with disastrous results. Is it asking too much to include a stipend, with health benefits, for those tireless defenders, and their offspring? Not to be overlooked in the process are legions of admissions consultants worldwide that would be cast aside, so appropriate measures must be taken to facilitate their ease.

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  107. What a shame , unit8200,

    Not only do you believe fraud is good, and the absence of all moral integrity a must for a healthy society and its finer institutions…. but you think minutiae is a “big word” , want to call me. a girl , and try as you might, you are actually incapable of reading our national debt clock.

    How can I help you ?…What can I do for you ?…..How much of a conversation can we really have , unit8200 ?..

    .Do I think Harvard is “capable” of determining whether people, like yourself, have no moral integrity ?…….Of course they can…… It didn’t take me very long..

    But if you cannot even see beyond your own capacity to defraud yourself and others..and don’t really want to do anything about it………then what is the point of our having a conversation ?

    Your key points are clear…..you think fraud is good ….You think “moral integrity” as a quality in people should be winnowed out, especially those who go to Harvard….and you refuse to even acknowledge that we have a national debt or how much it has become ?

    Maybe you should run for President, I am sure you would be bankrolled right away.

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  108. Can you imagine white people in Asia, complaining that their representation in Asian universities at FOUR TIMES their share of the population is not enough?

    It would be unbelievable, right?

    The balls of Asian defenders demanding even more overrepresentation, and complaining that American universities should change their admissions criteria to Asian criteria, is shocking.

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  109. I’m not satisfied that it’s really been established that Harvard discriminates against Asian applicants. Granted, Asian admittees have a higher average SAT score overall. But does that hold department-by-department? That is, do Asian physics majors at Harvard come in with higher SATs than white physics majors?

    Harvard has a legitimate interest in having thriving departments in Slavic languages, classics, English and art history, and not just in math, physics and the typical pre-med fields. Concentrators in the humanities are overwhelmingly white, and for better or worse they come in with lower SATs than physics students — including white physics students.

    Even forty years ago, when Asian applicants were a trace element, Harvard was “discriminating” against future hard-science majors in the sense that it took (likely) humanities concentrators with lower SATs. So unless it can be shown that Harvard discriminates against Asians *within* departments, it’s not meaningful to say that Harvard discriminates against Asians overall either.

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  110. I’d wonder too about department by department breakdown. Are Asian applicants competing over a narrow range of posts, where there just isn’t much room for expansion?

    Here’s an example from England –

    https://fullfact.org/factchecks/oxford_university_admissions_race_ethnic_minorities-28794

    “As the Guardian notes, the University has explained this gap in the past by noting than BME applicants were more likely than whites to apply for Oxford’s three most oversubscribed large courses – Economics & Management, Medicine and Mathematics. In fact, 44% of all Black applicants – compared to just 17% of all white applicants – applied for these courses.

    This is part of a trend among black Oxford applicants. The University also flagged this in 2009:

    “28.8% of all Black applicants for 2009 entry applied for Medicine, compared to just 7% of all white applicants. 10.4% of all Black applicants for 2009 entry applied for Economics & Management, compared to just 3.6% of all white applicants.”

    (in this case, this is Black African migrants, who have a lower success rate of applications to Oxford than Whites, while Black-White biracials are higher).

    Lots of people from very ambitious groups competing over a small number of places.

    I also think it’s interesting that there’s so much skepticism over the idea that Asian applications could tend to be deficient, relative to the SAT score.

    The university application rates for all ethnic groups, but especially Asians, are very high relative to White natives. Even if you control for SAT scores, they’re very high for Asians. That’s probably particularly the case when you look at the major universities and not the State U.

    (Again, here’s a vivid illustration of these high application rates in British data –

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3648460/thumbs/o-ISF-570.jpg?1

    http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ucas-figures-application-figs-by-ethnicity-2013.png

    Asians are very competent in education. Enough for the Chinese to get a double application rate from that alone? Probably not).

    Now Asians likely to be that much more competent or impressive, neutral of the SAT score or is more that they’re a lot more ambitious? These guys do not have the ethos which the White Natives have a lot of, where yes, you work hard, but fundamentally you work to live and you get a “normal” job (manage a small business, work hard at a retail bank, etc.), and you only go further in higher education if you’re actually passionate about knowledge. After all, society guarantees a decent standard of living, for the average person who is willing to work and take personal responsibility, right? So why compete for these top jobs unless you *really* believe you’re special?

    The focus on education as a route to power and ambition is a lot higher in migrant ethnic minorities, particularly Asians, who are focused on power, money and ambition. That seems pretty likely to lead to a lot of applications which aren’t as strong, whatever the SAT scores, but they’re giving it a shot anyway.

    Now making the process open, *could* reveal this. But I think if it does reveal this, it’s unlikely that Asians will accept it. Instead, they’ll work harder to manufacture the impression that their kids really do deserve entry to the highest ranks of money and power. Or we’ll get protests that “That’s racist”.

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  111. The idea that percentage of overall population should represent corresponding percentage in every imaginable organization, institution, and clubs is SHOCKING to me as well.

    According to your concept, Smithsonian Museum should have 75% whites faces because Whites make up 75% of the US population. Why do we see Pachydema Elephant? Dinosaur skeletons? Native Americans?

    Or we should expect to see 75% whites in NBA, NFL.

    Or we should see 75% whites in national zoo too.

    The perception that Asians (and all other nationals) have towards Elite Universities in the US says something about why the US education is still admired and well respected. No Asian is complaining why they can’t get into some Norwegian/Finnish/Swedish universities.

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  112. I think your assertion of inter-departmental SAT scores is warranted. For all data we have, we don’t know the discrepancy between Whites and Asians on each major.

    The observation that stands out among all other criteria and available data from college admission is, the Asian population in Ivy somehow stop at 13 or 14% while the Asian application pool and their average scores have been ramping up.

    So we can all safely say that majority of Asians become static in terms of (1) application volume (2) their static scores or (3) become dumb.

    Ron Unz previous article already refuted (1), the enrollment, a steady increase in Asian enrollment in Ivy yet their student population become static at ~14%.

    This is also another data available which can easily refute points (2) and (3).

    https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

    From 1987 to 2013, the only race that managed to dramatically increase their admission test score is Asian/Pacific Islanders from 479 to 521 in Critical Reading, and 541 to 597 in Math whereas Affirmative Action driven Blacks fluctuates around their traditional scores of (428 and 411).

    But I agree that we don’t know much about Whites and Asian score discrepancy within departments.

    There’s also another possibility that I’d like to point out is although we are only talking about SAT scores, the other factors such as SAT Subject tests also play a huge role in admission requirement. For that matter, I don’t think we have available data to interpret on subject test Vs racial quotas in higher ed.

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  113. These guys do not have the ethos which the White Natives have a lot of, where yes, you work hard, but fundamentally you work to live and you get a “normal” job (manage a small business, work hard at a retail bank, etc.), and

    You’re absolutely right. that’s why we see lots of Asian restaurants, laundromat that aim to conquer the world by serving “abnormal” jobs and they don’t have ethics. Asians (esp Chinese) have no idea of how to live their lives by managing small business and working hard. Their biggest dream is to make their children grow and open another laundromat.

    you only go further in higher education if you’re actually passionate about knowledge.

    Dead on. That’s why we see Bill Gates drop out of college because he’s not passionate about knowledge. Zuckerberg drop out of Harvard because he’s not into programming. Tell me more about your passion.

    Now making the process open, *could* reveal this. But I think if it does reveal this, it’s unlikely that Asians will accept it. Instead, they’ll work harder to manufacture the impression that their kids really do deserve entry to the highest ranks of money and power. Or we’ll get protests that “That’s racist”.

    Are you pulling something out of your bloody arse?

    Where have you heard Asians protesting “Diversity” in college admission? Calling for “Mandatory” diversity and calling for “Transparency” in admission process is as different as Man and Woman.

    For all I know, Asians never call Whites as “racist”. That’s the global elitist invention of a new word to cater to the needs of oppressed “Blacks” to vent their anger occasionally.

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  114. the Asian population in Ivy somehow stop at 13 or 14%

    This appears to be not true. I just checked the latest figures for Harvard and Princeton and they’re now at 21% and 22% Asian. To be sure, I’m not clear on how they define “Asian”: are Indians Asian (per geography) or white (per hoary obsessions about Aryan race)?

    Either way, an Asian enrollment that’s increasing but slower than the Asian share of the applicant pool is exactly what you’d see if, as I’ve suggested, these schools are just trying to keep their humanities departments well stocked and the Asians are not all that interested in majoring in humanities. That is, the smaller Asian population of the 1990s quickly displaced the weaker white engineering students, but the very top tier of white engineering students remain competitive against even a vastly larger Asian population.

    Finally, as an aside and with no intention to offend, are you perhaps an Asian with a stratospheric SAT score, wondering why you had to settle for Berkeley instead of Harvard? Because if you are, I’ll mention that your English is full of the kind of errors that will always make elite Americans underestimate your true talents.

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  115. Political parties never turn down votes, except when the support of one demographic costs you more votes than you gain. If the GOP could get the support of Louis Farrakhan’s NOI, they would, but they would lose a tremendous amount of support in return.

    When it comes to Asians, one has to consider the ongoing high levels of legal immigration, and how this has altered the community from mainly East-Asian anti-communists with a Christian background, to also include South and SE Asians of non-Christian background. But they are a notably flexible constituency, if we can believe the 2014 exit polls.

    What the various POC organizations and communities want, is for the right to give them equal status without the matching heft in numbers. The wwc is largely unorganized and demands little in return other than lip service and gun-rights. To get a higher share and even a “lock” on the Asian vote, they would have to hand over control of the foreign policy thought on SE Asia to the diaspora orgs, in the same way that the largely Jewish neoconservatives influenced the Middle East policy. Stephen Harper did both when he was prime minister of Canada.

    Still, it has its weaknesses when it comes to getting actual majorities of support. You still need the white conservative base, and its very existence embarrasses the bought off poc.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

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  116. Of possible relevance to this important subject is my own experience with an elite university which at one time didn’t charge tuition, Rice University in Houston TX. While it styles itself as “the Harvard of the South” that is a stretch, since it is quite small but extremely selective.
    Originally founded via a bequest by Wm Marsh Rice, it charged no tuition but was only open to white males (circa 1920). Women were admitted in the 1950s and other races by the early 1960s. Tuition was then charged (coincidental timing?) but mainly to collect the scholarship funds many of the applicants had qualified for. Or so they said.
    I received a “tuition grant” since my family was quite modest financially.
    However, today tuition is charged to the tune of $40K/year, despite a huge per capita endowment ( but not nearly as large as Harvard’s).
    The moral is that institutional dynamics push the administrators to seek more and more funds from whatever source. Formerly tuition free Rice claims to be generous with tuition grants but I wonder how true that is. Why should any non-wealthy family pay them any tuition at all, unless it is a merit scholarship or similar? Instead my mail is replete with begging letters for loyal alums to fork over. Stats on tuition subsidies are short on facts.
    It is one thing to change to become open to all who merit entrance objectively. But why simply grub for money because you can squeeze it out of student families? As it was I had to both work and take out student loans (quite small by current standards). I was dirt poor but Rice was affordable. Harvard should seek the same path, and Rice should stop emulating the racketeering that passes for higher education, especially in supposed elite institutions.
    I applaud Mr. Unz’s heroic effort and those of his allies. Huge elite universities have become mere adjuncts for highly paid money managers and administrators to pose as educators while securing themselves lifetime sinecures for doing very little actual work.

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  117. @ Rdm, as the International Jew notes, you don’t seem particularly literate, and of poor reading comprehension.

    Asian migrants work very hard in ordinary jobs. Fundamentally, on average, they do not work hard so that their kids can work the same job. Asians migrants embrace to a greater extent the idea that everyone should go to university, and everyone should try to be the biggest success they can, not just the most talented. The ethos (not “ethics”, a distinct concept) of White Natives is more that, yes, you work hard, but you’re a regular guy and you’ll do so in a “regular job” (teacher, plumber, computer repair man, small businessman, builder, etc. – often trade) unless you’re an incredibly bright spark.

    There isn’t the focus on career and success, and achieving high levels of education, in the same way as there is for striving Asian migrants who want the highest levels of power, influence and success in their adopted country.

    I’d conjecture that’s going to lead to more Asians trying for high quality universities, even when they don’t necessarily have “what it takes” to be a great candidate. Even if they have high SAT scores on average. So they’ll fail a little harder relative to their SAT. Could be wrong. I think it’s a reasonable conjecture.

    Now, as to the last point if you haven’t heard of Asian Americans complaining about racism or being not represented enough, or well enough you’ve probably been asleep under a rock for a number of years. Or deaf, if you haven’t heard the din of Asian Americans complaining about not having enough representation in the film and entertainment industry (where unlike formal education they have no special advantage you get a truer representation of what they actually feel about having their ambitions be treated unkindly by reality, and of how willing they are to call racism when that happens).

    I’m not sure you have the intelligence to understand this, so for information that you may be able to understand, I’m taking this more as an opportunity to debunk your rudeness and nonsense to anyone actually reading.

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  118. 1. Before we ask the question of who needs to improve their reading comprehension,

    Here’s what I’d like to draw our argument into discussion. You claimed White Natives can run small business and know how to live their lives normally, (work in a retail bank, or as a plumber, builder etc etc etc) whereas Asians only focus on education, and they don’t have ethos.

    What you failed to realize in the first place is there are thousands of Plumbers, Builders, Construction workers, Bankers, Teachers, Computer programmers etc etc etc in Asia. They have normal lives. What are the benefits of coming to the US and do the same menial job? The normal jobs you described in your first comment that White Natives seem to occupy and work happily are just as the same normal jobs as what you can observe in Asia. There are millions of those jobs too.

    A majority of Asian immigrants here in the US consists of higher ed seeking population. Comparing different working profiles between White Natives and Asian immigrants and drawing conclusion that White Natives have normal jobs and ethos whereas those Asians have neither of those is completely ridiculous as saying Caitlyn Jenner is a stronger woman because she is life-transformed and has Ethos while the rest of the women are just pussy.

    No Irish plumber will migrate to the US. The same goes for no British sewage cleaners in the US as well. Native and Immigrants issue. It’s not White and Asian different virtues per se. So coming back to where we left off: reading comprehension? You’ll be the judge.

    2.

    I’d conjecture that’s going to lead to more Asians trying for high quality universities, even when they don’t necessarily have “what it takes” to be a great candidate. Even if they have high SAT scores on average. So they’ll fail a little harder relative to their SAT. Could be wrong. I think it’s a reasonable conjecture.

    You have your own opinion. I’m fine with that. Whatever floats your conjecture, my dear.

    3.

    Now, as to the last point if you haven’t heard of Asian Americans complaining about racism or being not represented enough, or well enough you’ve probably been asleep under a rock for a number of years.

    Awesome, you brought this issue up. Asian Americans complaining about racism in film industry? I used to be an active participant regarding this SAG (Screen Actors Guild). First, let me emphasize here that Racism and Whitewashing are entirely different categories. What you want to correct your own observation is “Asian Americans complaining about Whitewashing in Hollywood industry”. That correction alone will stand you in good stead when it comes to film industry.

    Remember Blacks complain “Racism” whereas Asians complain “Whitewashing”. Let me educate you since you might as well be living under a rock for a number of years, my dear:

    (1) 21
    Based on a real life event played by a white guy, Jim Sturgess, who exploited Las Vegas with his improved method of card counting; a scene where he mentally calculated the price on the spot for a customer after discount and sale tax, leaving the customer mouth agape literally with his incredible mathematical skills.

    The real guy in real life –> Jeff Ma (MIT blackjack team)

    (2) Extraordinary Measures
    Based on a real life event, played by a white guy, Harrison Ford, who miraculously developed a cure for Pompe disease. Without giving in to the monetary pressure, he persistently pursued his dream of finding a cure, clashing with the authority, being impatient with his lab colleagues procrastination, ultimately leading the audience to believe that how a White guy can singlehandedly achieve something so unbelievable and something so incredible.

    The real guy in real life –> Yuan-Tsong Chen (Columbia)

    Hollywood whitewashing on Asians based on fictions, novels characters

    (3) Dragon Balls
    The guy who can spit fire, with those thick spiky hairs, whom we Asians hold as “Superman” in our childhood, suddenly becomes a White guy.

    (4) 47 Ronin
    47 Samurai known as Ronin, suddenly became a white guy.

    This is what we called “Whitewashing” film industry while Blacks are pampered with their “diversity” card.

    You’d see Black doctors, scientists, engineers, authorities, etc etc etc. In real life? Come to America. You’re more likely to see an American bald eagle than an overachieving Black in real life. They pamper Blacks so that they won’t revolt.

    Now if you think I hate Whites or Blacks, I’d say “No, I don’t” because I don’t hate Whites or Blacks. I enjoy movies as long as it’s interesting and entertaining. But Just don’t take the pride of Asian people when they hold their life achievement dear.

    If you think “Well, it’s Hollywood, nobody actually cares”, I’d say how about Hollywood shooting a film based on Howard Hughes aviator real life and cast “Jackie Chan” as Howard Hughes? if nobody really cares.

    Or

    Thomas Edison toying with his whole life on something we should be thankful for in coming years for “lights bulb” and Hollywood makes a film, casting “Chow Yun-fat” as Mr. Edison?

    That would be ridiculous, wouldn’t it?

    I’m not sure you have the intelligence to understand this, so for information that you may be able to understand, I’m taking this more as an opportunity to debunk your rudeness and nonsense to anyone actually reading.

    Anyone who’s following this comment thread can easily see who has the intelligence, my dear.

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  119. You forgot to mention, Rehmat hates Jews more than Hitler and Himmler combined.

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  120. Harvard is probably going to continue to do what Harvard sees as in its own interest, and free tuition seems like a bridge too far. That both costs money(if its only a small amount I’ll certainly take money off their hands), and is going to benefit the wealthy, foreigners, and racial set asides. Not too many people are going to genuinely be in favor of that. As far as the shift in admissions, I don’t care one way or another. “Meritocracy” is a train where you get off when you reach your destination.

    I would like to see Disparate Impact gone however, that is primarily responsible for the rise in tuition. If opening up Harvard et al to being overrun by asia turns out to be a mistake that will at the very least limit the overall damage.

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  121. @ Rdm

    “A majority of Asian immigrants here in the US consists of higher ed seeking population. Comparing different working profiles between White Natives and Asian immigrants and drawing conclusion that White Natives have normal jobs and ethos whereas those Asians have neither of those is completely ridiculous as saying Caitlyn Jenner is a stronger woman because she is life-transformed and has Ethos while the rest of the women are just pussy.”

    That’s why I’m talking specifically about Asian migrants to the West only, you incredible illiterate.

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  122. Assuming that last names are a reasonable proxy for ethnicities, I went through the 2012 Yale College yearbook and found that the percentage of Jews was less than half the number Mr. Unz used. He said he was using numbers from Hillel, but those numbers are quite obviously arbitrary since they are the same from year to year. So Hillel should count or estimate more precisely, but that does not excuse Mr. Unz from using data overly favorable to his claims when he could easily have determined that they are inaccurate.

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  123. I don’t see the upside of flooding Harvard with Asians. Asians don’t believe in a transparent meritocracy any more than the current Harvard of Board of Overseers. And who cares what Harvard does? If transparency and meritocracy if the way to creating better scholars and citizens, then some other university is free to try it and knock Harvard out of the box.

    Seriously, what is so great about Harvard these days that we should even care about their undergraduate admissions policy, other than the fact that they are a 36 billion dollar hedge fund attached to a puny 2 billion dollar university? After eight years of an Obama Administration filled with Harvard undergrads, you’d think people would wise up to the mediocrity of the Harvard product. Besides, the Harvard grad programs, which are vastly superior to the undergrad program, are already very meritocratic, and aren’t those the ones that really matter?

    Send your kid to Stanford for college. Harvard for grad school. Or better still, Berkeley.

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  124. Notwithstanding your comparisons of people to animals, which make no sense, there is NO proof or even good evidence that Asians are discriminated against by Harvard or other Ivies.

    Unz uses data comparing Harvard to Caltech. I’ve read his analysis and it makes me wonder how the hell he actually got into Harvard. I didn’t get into Harvard, actually I didn’t even apply, and yet I get that these are completely different schools with completely different missions.

    Harvard wants to cultivate future leaders. Therefore, it has other criteria for admission besides the SAT. This is Harvard’s choice. Unz can’t comprehend, somehow, why Harvard has other criteria. But the fact is that it does, and it’s not illegal. Harvard has preferences for children of alumni; it also has over 40 athletic teams where recruits get preference as well. Meanwhile Caltech basically admits whoever has the hightest Math SAT and other math-related talent. Caltech doesn’t recruit for athletics and nobody goes there to major in English.

    So Unz compared the admissions of Harvard to the admissions at Caltech, a school with no athletic recruitment, a location in a much more Asian part of the country, and a focus on math and science (which happens to be the strong point of most Asian applicants). So *of course* Caltech will be more Asian. Asians’ talents tend more towards math and science, and not so much towards athletics.

    So Unz either does not understand, or chooses to purposely ignore, the fact that Harvard is a completely different school than Caltech, with a completely different mission, and therefore has completely different criteria. There’s no evidence of “discrimination” against Asians. There’s much more evidence of discrimination against white Americans, who are vastly underrepresented at *both* schools.

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  125. How about ten years of only minority admission? Sorry legacies. Make life more fair. Fight racism, oppression and stuff!

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  126. The reason why I compare the percentage of the population in each respective institution is to show you that percentage in each institution does not always equate to the prevailing percentage of the population.

    Whites make up roughly 75% of the US population. But that does not translate into 75% of Whites students in every institution in the US. Since you brought up Asians occupying more than they should be in higher ed because of their mere population in the US, I found that’s not a logical way of thinking.

    For e.g., Native Americans make up 1% of the US population. But do we see them occupying 1% in every institution in the US? According to your logic, they should. The reality tells the otherwise. They have more representations of their traditions and history display in National Museum. There’s no 1 Native Americans in every 100 students you come across in the US campus.

    I’m not comparing persons to animals. I’m using every imaginable institutions to point out that the racial composition of the US population does NOT dictate the corresponding composition in every institution.

    That’s my point.

    Regarding the admission criteria of Harvard, I don’t think we are here saying that Harvard is discriminating against Asians. Every policy, criterion Harvard set to achieve their student body population is purely their freedom of rights. The motion here is to make it transparent policy instead of making it nebulous while downplaying the obvious Quota they set for Asians/Asian Americans. Or they might as well have some nebulous criteria for White Americans as well (legacy, donation, etc etc etc) while killing the seats for aspiring ordinary White Americans or filling the seats for Affirmative Action driven Black students.

    So *of course* Caltech will be more Asian. Asians’ talents tend more towards math and science, and not so much towards athletics.

    You might want to revisit UC proposition 209. After the proposition, Whites and Asians admission rate skyrocketed in UC system, without having to deal with Affirmative Action.

    So Unz either does not understand, or chooses to purposely ignore, the fact that Harvard is a completely different school than Caltech, with a completely different mission, and therefore has completely different criteria.

    There is so much to absorb here. I’d point out my take on Higher Ed although I don’t expect you to change your mind. Here in Unz many commenters have their own belief system. So I’d try to lay out my belief here.

    If Harvard is completely different school than Caltech, based on what?

    If the purpose of Harvard is to train more pastors, then let’s just call a spade a spade and we should label Harvard as a Church, not a University.
    If the purpose of Harvard is to help the unfortunate, we then call it “the Red Cross”.

    What I see here is Harvard and Stanford (Harvard of the West) [I put Caltech in the rank of MIT, more focused on technology department], they all have the same purpose: to educate future generation of people to be well rounded, well trained, and prepare them to take on their dreams and execute them. If the purpose is the same, the criteria they have should be more or less likely the same.

    We’re fixating our attention on Harvard because it’s the oldest institution in the US, and has a enormous power to swing education landscape across the continent.

    There’s no evidence of “discrimination” against Asians. There’s much more evidence of discrimination against white Americans, who are vastly underrepresented at *both* schools.

    How’s that so?

    Even then, don’t you want to know why?

    That’s why we want Transparency from Higher Ed instead of their nebulous criteria set in their admission department.

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  127. There’s a Howard University if you want.

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  128. I whole-hardily agree with this assessment.

    I have college age kids now, and I can’t tell you what a scam the whole system is. We applied to eight universities, public and private, with prices ranging from $15,000 to $60,000. With “automatic scholarships”, the prices drop to $15,000 to $18,000. All of them. How do eight universities all arrive at exactly the same price? because they have “decided” that is what I should pay.

    Another way universities steal money is trolling students to apply, who won’t be admitted. Why? $30 application fees, that’s why.

    Why stop at Harvard? By my calculation the top 50 universities in the u.s could be free, if they simply spent 5% of their endowments each year. probably another 100 universities could be free with a reasonable contributions form the state of feds to their endowment. The only charities exempt from federal laws requiring a % spending of endowments are universities. Why?

    Want to turn back the out of control student debt? start making all college compete with free college. Want to have more students graduate in 4 years? make college free.

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  129. Striking but unremarked upon in your article was the dramatic lack of investment income for ALL of the graphed Universities in 2012. What was the cause or condition?

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  130. Dear Mr. Unz.

    I applaud and congratulate you on getting traction for this campaign!

    I feel “meh” about the free tuition goal. Harvard is effectively free or at least heavily, heavily, subsidized for all families who need it. I attended a peer school with probably similar finaid (albeit our endowment is a fraction of Harvard’s size and highly levered to boot so who knows for sure), and my solidly upper middle class family got tuition discounted from 60k to 20k a year. It’ll be good for symbolic reasons though (aka the giant hedge fund actually now serves the school), and probably make alma maters like mine lever up more and go bankrupt in the next crash in an attempt to match Harvard’s generous leadership.

    I do however, strongly support the idea of pushing for enhanced meritocracy though. However,I could foresee an unintended side-effect of this hastening the further dis-integration of society where the cognitive elites, go to the same schools, marry the same people, and self-perpetuate in gated communities guarded by robots (while at the same time monopolizing the key means of production in an information economy: high intellect), while the rest of the population gets fed bread and circuses via universal basic income so as not to revolt with pitchforks.

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