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Some may be aware that when I originally established The Unz Review over four years ago one of my main motives was to have a convenient venue for my own writing, a situation necessitated by my removal as Publisher of The American Conservative. However, other matters intervened, and all but a few months of my time since then have been preoccupied with software development issues and politics, but now at very long last I do hope to return to that original purpose.

Shortly after my departure from TAC in Fall 2013, I had written an article recounting the unfortunate circumstances, and this had attracted some interest from editors at The Atlantic. But they not unreasonably balked at the length, and soon afterward I was drawn into a major campaign to implement my proposal of a huge hike in the American Minimum Wage, an effort that eventually helped establish it as a central economic pillar of the Democratic Party; this was soon followed by other endeavors, mostly on software matters. Over the years, various people have expressed curiosity about my TAC story, which remained unpublished, and with the fifth anniversary of my defenestration now upon us, I’ve decided I might as well release it in its original form, changing scarcely a single word though updating some of the links. Five years represents an eternity in political journalism, and various events and personalities have surely lapsed into obscurity, but such is the price paid for historical authenticity.

Given hindsight, I’d consider myself satisfied with the ultimate outcome. The Review currently operates on an absolute shoestring while the editorial budget of TAC these days is an order-of-magnitude larger, covering the costs of a full-time staff of seven or eight. But according to Alexa.com our readership passed theirs six months ago, and has been substantially higher every week since. Possibly for these sorts of reasons, TAC recently named yet another new top editor, with Benjamin Schwarz becoming the third in eighteen months. And aside from providing some of the background to the creation of The Review and helping to explain its eclectic ideological focus, I think my story also serves as an example of why so many small publications tend to blur their editorial line over time, lured by mainstream respectability and resources, a process that seems to have recently claimed the late Alex Cockburn’s once fiercely-independent Counterpunch.

On June 12th, 2013 I was having an unusually lengthy phone conversation with Daniel McCarthy, editor of The American Conservative (TAC). I live in Silicon Valley, three thousand miles away from DC, and despite holding the nominal title of publisher my involvement with TAC business operations had usually been negligible, amounting to just a few minutes a week on the phone. But I had grown alarmed over the lack of any major new donations since January, and had begun urging McCarthy to make the cuts in expenses necessary for the publication’s survival, while lobbying the board on the same subject. Web traffic had also been sharply declining for six or seven months, suggesting the need for a change in editorial focus. And several months earlier, TAC had cut its print frequency in half to just six issues a year while doubling the annual subscription rate to $60, thus quadrupling the per issue cost to an unreasonable $10, a pricing decision I’d strongly questioned at the time and now believed we needed to reverse.

Despite my tradition of operational disengagement, I felt comfortable pressing these points. Since late 2006 I had provided some 70% of TAC’s total funding, and even after converting the publication into a non-profit in 2010, I had still remained TAC’s largest donor during 2012, while also serving as chairman. TAC had come close to shutting down on a couple of previous occasions and I wanted to avoid taking such a risk again, especially since over the last year or two I had begun regularly publishing some of my own articles in the magazine.

Finally, at the end of the call I asked McCarthy whether he’d yet had a chance to prepare a redlined edit copy of the new article I’d submitted a couple of weeks earlier and on which he’d previously suggested one or two minor changes that I had subsequently made. To my enormous surprise, he informed me that he’d decided to flatly reject the entire piece—an analytical study of American urban crime rates—as representing the sort of racially-inflammatory material that had no place in a quality magazine such as TAC. He instead suggested that a more appropriate venue for my article would be one of the webzines categorized as White Nationalist hate-sites by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

After a few stunned words on my part, I hung up the phone and almost immediately received an emailing McCarthy had sent out to his undisclosed distribution list, harshly criticizing my behavior while repeating his same charges in more measured terms, describing the subject of my article as “a distraction from TAC’s mission” and something that would “fatally detract” from TAC’s advocacy of “the case for noninterventionism and restricting executive power.” I soon discovered that my TAC blogging privileges had also been terminated, banning me from the website. Later, my access to TAC’s ongoing website traffic information was eliminated. So more than six years after becoming TAC’s publisher, I had been summarily purged.

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For several weeks I made frustrating attempts to gain support from the other members of TAC’s governing board. But they had spent years just as totally disengaged as myself from TAC’s operations and had absolutely no desire to involve themselves in what they perceived as some sort of rancorous personal dispute. During this period I did my best to avoid publicizing my situation, partly because I found it so humiliating, but finally in late July National Review learned of this simmering controversy and solicited an interview. Initially I hesitated, but seeing that TAC—after rejecting my article as “a distraction”—had covered its homepage for several days straight with articles about British rock bands, zombies, giant robots, and cartoon characters, I became angry enough to provide my side of the story to the media. Three days after NR ran its short he said-she said item, TAC’s board convened in a special Sunday phone session to remove me, formalizing what had already occurred.

 

Although I regarded the denunciation of my article mostly as a pretext to eliminate my pressure on business matters and also a means of petty retaliation, one member of the TAC board did see the piece as central to the dispute. In subsequent exchanges, Founding Editor Scott McConnell, with whom I’d previously been on quite friendly terms, strongly opposed publication of my analysis, steadily growing more strident in his opinion that running such an article would severely damage TAC’s hard-won reputation; and therein lies a fascinating tale.

The American Conservative had been founded in 2002 as a rightwing alternative to National Review by McConnell, Pat Buchanan, and Taki Theodoracopulos, with Taki providing the financial backing. From its earliest days TAC had always represented “the Buchananite perspective” across both foreign and domestic policy, with McConnell having previously served as a senior advisor to Buchanan’s 2000 Presidential campaign, and Buchanan himself playing an early role as a guiding influence for the magazine, although without much day-to-day involvement.

Deep concerns over the dangers of non-European immigration had long been central to McConnell’s personal ideology, and the strength of his views had cost him his editorial position at the New York Post and his access to the pages of NR, after which he had joined with Peter Brimelow to co-found VDare, the hard-core anti-immigration website. Especially during its early years, TAC had often appeared as VDare’s somewhat more restrained print sibling, sharing many of the same writers, topics, and perspectives.

After various quarrels and disputes between the partners, McConnell was running the magazine by himself in 2006. As partial heir to the Avon fortune, he had invested a few hundred thousand dollars of his own inherited wealth to keep the publication alive, but was unwilling to contribute any additional funds and had decided to shut TAC down at the end of that year. I’d become slightly acquainted with him since 2000, and in late 2006 he desperately sought my financial help in rescuing his magazine.

TAC’s opportunity to escape its narrow rightwing niche had come from the reluctance of almost any American opinion magazines to strongly challenge President Bush’s foreign policy adventures during the early 2000s, which allowed the publication to draw in distinguished liberal and moderate contributors, eager for a print magazine platform enabling them to express their otherwise silenced views. I fell into that same ideological category and had been greatly impressed by TAC’s uniquely vigorous opposition to Bush’s foreign wars, which I regarded as totally disastrous for the country.

Thus, when McConnell approached me, I responded favorably, and soon afterward became TAC’s owner, eventually covering over $3 million of operating losses during the years that followed. Although McConnell had retained the title of editor, his involvement in the magazine’s operations had been rather meager for some time, with most of the work being done by Kara Hopkins, his exceptionally able executive editor. Our arrangement was that the two of them would continue to actually run the magazine, while I merely provided the necessary funding.

To my surprise, McConnell also named me publisher and put my name at the top of his masthead, presumably as a means of more firmly binding my crucial financial support to his publication. So I ended up with titular authority over a small DC opinion journal—almost invariably labelled “Pat Buchanan’s Magazine”—despite living on the other side of the country and being totally preoccupied with my own work. I don’t think I actually visited the TAC office more than once every year or two, when other matters brought me out to DC, though most weeks I did try to briefly touch base with the editors by phone.

An important aspect of TAC’s domestic policy agenda still consisted of strident criticism of non-white immigrants and their supposed incompatibility with American society, a position I found distasteful or even ridiculous, but a cross I was willing to bear on behalf of my far more crucial foreign policy concerns. During my discussions about becoming TAC’s owner, I had pledged to allow the editors a free hand to continue publishing their same domestic policy views, and I believe I kept that promise.

Indeed, just a couple of months after I assumed control, my commitment was tested when one of their junior editors angrily resigned from the magazine over what he regarded as a totally unfair cover story on Barack Obama’s personal racial identity, and soon after published a harsh denunciation of TAC’s racialist orientation in the pages of the prestigious Washington Monthly. Although my own perspective was actually along similar lines, I never gave the TAC editors any problems over this unanticipated early scandal in the DC media.

In the years that followed, similar sorts of racial absurdities, sometimes backed by doubtful factual claims, would periodically appear in a magazine that bore my name at the top of the masthead, but I never made any complaints. After all, most other conservative political magazines also published such nonsense, though perhaps less extreme, while liberal and leftist publications usually maintained their own unrealistic dogmas on all sorts of subjects. TAC’s line on foreign policy remained excellent, and the publication therefore continued to attract submissions from numerous outstanding academics and journalists, many of whom probably shared my own feelings. I allowed Kara Hopkins and Scott McConnell to run the magazine as they saw fit, and was always extremely impressed by the general quality of the writing and editing of each issue I happened to examine

Throughout this period, my own foreign policy and national security views had remained identical to those of my old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who had run the NSA for Ronald Reagan. Gen. Odom’s outspokenness was always an inspiration to me, and after the media revealed the vast scope of illegal post-9/11 NSA eavesdropping in 2005, he publicly declared that the NSA Director responsible for those violations should be court-martialed and President Bush impeached. My first and only article for TAC during this period was a tribute to his exemplary career after his untimely death in 2008.

For various reasons, TAC seemed to gradually soften its focus on immigration and other racial issues during the last three or four years, perhaps with my own early 2010 analysis of Hispanic crime rates causing some rethinking of long-held assumptions. While I welcomed this trend, I never pushed it along, aside from occasionally publishing articles presenting my own views. It is notable that two of DC’s most vilified recent figures—Jason Richwine and Jack Hunter—had both remained welcome in the pages of TAC during this period, the former with a lengthy review arguing that genetics explained the low IQ of certain racial groups and the latter as a regular columnist.

 

Given TAC’s long history of transgressing the boundaries of acceptable opinion on racial matters, what could possibly have been so disturbing about my own article? I had produced a careful 7,000 word quantitative analysis of public data that explicitly avoided suggesting causal explanations, while offering a variety of insights cutting across ideological lines. After all, the subject of race and crime soon dominated America’s headlines in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict, and several of Harvard University’s most eminent social scientists sent me favorable comments once they read my piece.

The topic is certainly a delicate one, but hiding from factual reality is hardly the best means of coping with social problems. Indeed, my introduction had actually cited the notorious case of the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, noting that the vicious attacks he received for his 1965 report on the grim state of the black American family had hardly been a proud day in American intellectual life. In past decades, I think my article might have found a natural home in the pages of The Public Interest, edited by Irving Kristol and Nathan Glazer.

I suspect that certain of TAC’s editors found my piece so alarming precisely because they feared that even a cautious and sober discussion of such racial matters might draw unwelcome attention to more than a decade of previous TAC articles in the same general area, many of them far less cautious and sober. The defensiveness and hostility that comes from having a very guilty conscience on racial issues is something I had previously encountered in American politics.

Consider the bizarre ideological contortions of the California Republican Party during the mid-1990s. For purely political reasons nearly all its prominent figures had wholeheartedly endorsed an appalling 1994 measure to summarily expel 300,000 immigrant children from their state’s local public schools, even though the majority of those children were native-born American citizens; the same law also mandated five-year prison sentences for any immigrant mother who attempted to prevent this. But once the inevitable backlash occurred and the Republicans realized they had set their state party on the road to oblivion, they desperately reversed every one of their related ideological positions. When I began my 1997 campaign to require that California not only enroll immigrant children in school but also teach them English, those same Republican leaders opposed my initiative with equal unanimity, sometimes darkly hinting that I was motivated by personal hatred toward immigrants or Hispanics. A few years later I described this ironic national situation in a WSJ piece entitled “The Bilingual Burden of Republican Guilt.”

Similarly, the legacy of having published a decade’s worth of mistaken and often inflammatory articles on racial topics had now convinced those same TAC editors that they must avoid the subject of race almost entirely, even when it moved to the absolute center of the national conversation. On the Monday following George Zimmerman’s acquittal, almost every media publication in America—left, right, and center—gave the topic wall-to-wall headline coverage. But TAC’s lead story that day discussed the Congressional Farm Bill, and it never ran a single major article on the subject, with its most substantial coverage being a later blog post by a recently promoted intern praising President Obama’s speech on the controversy. A couple of weeks earlier TAC had also completely ignored the crucial Supreme Court rulings on the Voting Rights Act and on the Fisher case challenging a half-century of affirmative action policies. Perhaps this was what Attorney General Eric Holder had meant when he criticized America for being a “nation of cowards” on the subject of race.

The collision between TAC’s editorial skittishness and my own work was inevitable, and sooner or later a conflict would surely have occurred. For the last twenty years, race, ethnicity, and social policy have been the main focus of my writings, and my personal website contains hundreds of articles and columns I have written on immigration, bilingual education, affirmative action, and other racially-charged topics. I have always found these issues both important and interesting, with the advantage that such dangerous minefields draw relatively few researchers, thereby providing me a less-crowded niche for exploration. And for better or for worse, my views have scarcely changed in decades, with articles I wrote long ago probably representing my current position almost as well as something I published last month.

Indeed, my first appearance in the conservative media came in the form of a lengthy letter on American urban crime and violence that run in a 1992 Commentary symposium, and I stand by those same words today. Although Commentary and TAC are usually considered ideological arch-foes, in 1999 I published a lengthy Commentary cover story entitled “California and the End of White America” while in 2011 I followed it up with an even lengthier TAC sequel bearing the similar title “Immigration, Republicans, and the End of White America.” American society had undergone significant changes across those dozen years and the two pieces differed in their focus, but otherwise their perspectives fit together as well as a matched set of book-ends. My opinions may or may not be correct, but at least they have remained consistent over time.

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I believe my positions are based on evidence and solid analysis, and can withstand the criticism of my opponents. When my aforementioned Hispanic Crime article ran, it provoked a vast outpouring of exceptionally hostile responses both on the TAC website and across the Internet, which I later collected together as The Hispanic Crime Debate. Last year, my controversial Race/IQ series was just as strongly condemned by outraged racialists, and I gathered all their numerous attacks together in The Race/IQ Debate. I felt I had nothing to fear by assisting readers in considering all sides of these arguments and drawing their own conclusions. For the same reason I strongly supported TAC’s regular tradition of publishing a presidential endorsement symposium, in which a wide range of different perspectives were presented, some of which would surely never be found in mainstream publications.

In fact, I considered this part of TAC’s broader mission, namely to provide a congenial home for a wide variety of controversial or unorthodox views located outside the NYT-to-WSJ spectrum that represents permissible political commentary in our society. A magazine calling itself “The American Conservative” would naturally skew its perspectives toward the Right, but TAC could still provide ample room for opinions considered too far Left for DC respectability. In general, I think TAC did a pretty good job of fulfilling this goal during my time as publisher, though in hindsight that openness may have begun fading a couple of years ago.

 

In early 2011 we were contacted by Wick Allison, who introduced himself as the successful semi-retired publisher of D Magazine, billing itself as Dallas’ leading local guide to restaurants and nightlife. Allison had worked at National Review a quarter-century earlier and TAC was brought to his attention by his daughter, a recent college graduate then working as an intern at The New Republic. He told us he was close to TAC’s political positions, especially on foreign policy, and offered to become our CEO on a part-time, volunteer basis, providing the publishing expertise and fund-raising skills we needed to expand beyond our existing small-circulation niche.

Six months earlier I had converted TAC into a non-profit in hopes of obtaining outside financial support, and although some had come in, the donations were hardly enough to keep the publication going. Around the same time, we had suffered the severe loss of Editor Kara Hopkins, the shaping force behind each issue, who had been lured away by the U.S. government, thereby elevating her subordinate McCarthy to the top editorial slot. Since neither I nor any of the other board members were in a position to provide the time and effort to fill such an executive role and TAC’s tiny surviving staff was agreeable, Allison’s offer was readily accepted.

After some initial slow-going, he soon seemed to hit his stride and during a three month period, he raised several times more external funding than TAC’s entire total for the previous year, validating our hopes. Part of this support was earmarked to hire Rod Dreher, a popular blogger whose themes often related to Christianity; this represented something of a departure for TAC, which had never previously touched much on religious topics.

With Dreher’s personal following providing a major boost to TAC’s website traffic and early fundraising having gone so extremely well, Allison emphasized the need to build up TAC operations to the point where we could attract a multi-million-dollar capital infusion. Although a few of us had quiet misgivings about taking on these large additional expenses, months of highly successful fundraising made our doubts seem unreasonable.

Part-time and full-time staff and bloggers were steadily added to the payroll, and some salaries were sharply increased. The compensation of TAC’s business manager was tripled. Allison’s daughter went straight from an Andrew Sullivan internship to being TAC’s second highest paid editorial employee. The salary of one of TAC’s longtime bloggers was increased seven-fold, although his readership in mid-2012 was roughly the same as it had been in 2010 or 2011. During the course of about one year, TAC’s full-time editorial and business staff grew from two or three to a total of seven, while the number of its regular bloggers rose from one to four. I also later discovered that TAC seemed to be paying most of these bloggers five to ten times the going market rate relative to the traffic they generated. Hiring staff and raising salaries inevitably follows the Ratchet Principle: easy to increase but very painful and difficult to later cut. According to public IRS Form 990s, TAC’s operational expenses grew by two-thirds between 2010 and 2012, greatly increasing the burden of meeting every monthly payroll.

And unfortunately that early burst of large donations was never again matched, with top prospect after top prospect either turning Allison down or providing just a small fraction of the support he requested, while a direct mail appeal proved extremely unsuccessful. But TAC now needed to regularly obtain large donations just to survive. On a number of occasions, I had to write a sizable check to keep TAC’s lights on, and I became increasingly doubtful about the publication’s future, deciding that it had had a good run while it lasted.

In late 2012, Allison urgently sought an immediate $60,000 donation from me to bridge the financial gap until one of his strongest prospects came through. Then two weeks after I had sent my check he left me a phone message saying that TAC was totally out of funds, and therefore would be laying off its entire staff and shutting down. At that point I decided I had done all I could.

But as it happened, my 30,000 word article The Myth of American Meritocracy had just been published in what was scheduled to be TAC’s final issue, and the piece began creating quite a stir in the media, with David Brooks ranking it as among America’s best magazine articles for the year and The New York Times organizing a symposium on the college admissions questions it raised. On a more practical level, the thirty days that followed brought in as large a total of new donations as had arrived during the preceding nine months, together with an even greater sum in firm future commitments. After reaching the brink of extinction, TAC was now granted a second chance to achieve solid financial footing.

 

Such mundane financial difficulties experienced by a small business that over-expands are hardly of any interest to the outside world. But during 2012 and 2013 they probably had an increasingly pernicious impact upon the sort of articles TAC published, which constituted the sole reason for its existence.

A single example illustrates the problem. In late August 2012 TAC published “Revolt of the Rich” an outstanding critique of our corrupt economic policies written by a former longtime Republican Congressional staffer, and the piece quickly became the most successful in TAC history, generating enormous readership and attracting a great deal of attention. But when Allison soon afterward sought urgent funds from one of TAC’s larger donors, his request was angrily rejected on the grounds that the publication had begun promoting “class warfare.” We never received another dollar from that former contributor.

I learned of this unfortunate incident by chance, and I am sure there were many others as well, with various past or prospective donors complaining about particular TAC articles and writers whose material challenged their comfort zone. Few wealthy individuals do much independent thinking on ideology or policy so they tend to merely echo the views of the prominent Democratic and Republican pundits they follow in the mainstream media. TAC probably came under pressure to achieve greater respectability by doing the same.

For whatever reason, I began noticing over the last year or two that more and more of the bold voices whom I had first encountered at TAC no longer seemed to appear, and their places had been taking by establishmentarian commentary, much of which seemed to come from far down in the slush-pile of ordinary submissions to the op-ed pages of major American newspapers. I had often sharply disagreed with much of TAC’s material in the past, but had always found it interesting; now I encountered far fewer such disagreements, but the articles seemed dull and safely mainstream.

The growing desire of TAC to become a political “player” in DC circles was also problematic. Jack Hunter—a.k.a. “the Southern Avenger”—had gone from being a regular TAC columnist to becoming a senior staffer to newly elected Sen. Rand Paul, and with growing talk of Paul considering a possible 2016 presidential bid, Hunter apparently became a powerful influence at TAC, resulting in a great deal of Rand Paul boosterism. I also later learned that TAC had begun regularly rejecting articles critical of Rand Paul or his father Ron Paul, even if the material was original and important and might have gained TAC greater visibility in the larger media landscape.

Another factor that may have led TAC astray was its discovery that adopting “liberal” ideological positions tended to attract enormous temporary traffic. Articles endorsing Gay Marriage or advocating gun control drew huge attention from liberal outlets and pundits, eager to spread the word that “even Pat Buchanan’s rightwing magazine” now supported their position. The problem was that the liberal readers who arrived to read those articles gradually realized that TAC wasn’t all that liberal a website and soon departed, while much of TAC’s conservative readership was permanently driven away by such material. “Man Bites Dog” articles only gain attention a few times before they become passé.

This development also had an unfortunate impact upon the TAC’s influence on national security matters. As TAC increasingly rejected or avoided most hot-button conservative issues, fewer and fewer people continued to regard it as “conservative” in any meaningful sense, so TAC’s strong stance on American foreign wars or civil liberties concerns became no different from that of so many other liberal, moderate, or libertarian publications. Its unique value as a dissenting conservative voice was lost.

Certainly none of these venal sins were any worse than those regularly committed by so many other media outlets, but the only advantages enjoyed by a tiny publication such as TAC had been its journalistic integrity and its willingness to ignore the boundaries of respectable punditry and establishment media opinion. Former Bush speechwriter David Frum had famously issued a 2003 fatwa excommunicating all the “unpatriotic conservatives” aligned with TAC for their strong opposition to the Iraq War, but by late 2012 he was praising TAC for finally having become a responsible media outlet, which may or may not have been much of a compliment.

For years TAC had occupied an almost vacant media niche, but once so many of its articles began falling safely within the boundaries of mainstream media opinion, it began competing against dozens of other publications offering similar commentary on the Internet, many of them backed by vastly greater resources and featuring far more prominent writers. Dreher’s Christianity-tinged punditry remained hugely popular, but between November 2012 and June 2013 the remainder of TAC’s content traffic dropped by almost 60%, although no comparable post-election decline seemed to occur at some other political websites. Why would people read TAC if they had already read something similar in their morning newspapers?

As TAC’s publisher and largest donor, my own articles had mostly remained immune from these growing restrictions, which is why it took me so long to discover they were being implemented. Although none of my writings had ever neatly fit into TAC’s original rightwing Buchananite ideology, I also doubt that most of them could have appeared in a mainstream media outlet in anything like their existing form, and that probably contributed to their considerable success. During the past two years, I had published four TAC cover stories, and these had been ranked #1, #2, #3, and #5 in total readership, averaging more than eight times the traffic of TAC’s other cover pieces. Taking risks is the only way a tiny publication can have any impact, but the desperate fear of alienating possible donors forced TAC to move in exactly the opposite direction.

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At the end of April, my “American Pravda” article critiquing our dishonest national media was scheduled to run as the cover, with the artwork having already been produced. But just before the issue closed, Allison demanded that it be replaced, arguing that the focus on old news was unlikely to attract much interest and the harsh criticism of The New York Times seemed totally unreasonable; I strongly suspect he actually feared that my controversial claims would scare off timorous donors. After a heated argument, I finally acquiesced, and the piece nonetheless quickly became my second most successful ever, attracting almost twenty-five times the readership of the bland hagiography of Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy that replaced it on the cover. That incident was how I discovered that so many other TAC writers had previously encountered similar problems.

It became obvious to me that financial pressures were a leading factor behind this growing reluctance to publish controversial material, and after I received my copy of TAC’s 2012 federal tax return, I was struck by the large growth in operating expenses. The existing staffing levels seemed completely disproportionate to TAC’s actual output.

Leaving aside the postings of its regular bloggers, TAC usually published just a single main article each day on its website plus a couple of short blog posts, with the material generally provided by outside paid contributors or sometimes even syndicated columnists. It seemed incomprehensible to me how this minimal workload required seven full-time editorial and business employees, or what most of them did each day. This was certainly a larger staff than had been necessary during the years when TAC published a meticulously edited 35-40 page print magazine every two weeks, with all the attendant effort of meeting strict deadlines in article solicitation, editing, layout, and cover design.

TAC’s print issue frequency had dropped to just six times per year and the website had become the primary means of its distribution, so it was obvious that staffing levels and costs could be drastically reduced without loss of output or quality, bringing expenses into much closer alignment with likely donations. In mid-May I was alarmed to discover that no significant new contributions had arrived since January. Therefore, I soon began pressing this issue with Allison, McCarthy, and my fellow board members. But people hate to admit that their aggressive growth strategy of the last year or two had ultimately proven unsuccessful.

Ideological organizations and publications often confront this exact dilemma. They can remain small, poor, and fiercely independent or they can take the path of growing in size and expense, hoping for greater impact and influence, but usually forcing them to make their peace with the wealthy sources of establishmentarian funding. My own opinion was that since American political journalism already contained such a vast number of different media outlets in the latter category, TAC should avoid merely becoming another one, but I can understand why others might see things differently.

 

During this heated dispute over TAC’s budgetary problems and strategic direction, I had also been completing my quantitative analysis of urban crime, and I finally submitted my draft at the end of May. If my American Pravda article had made Allison very nervous for its possible impact upon donors, my Race and Crime article must have terrified him, coming as it did soon after the Jason Richwine Affair but several weeks before the George Zimmerman trial eventually pushed that exact same subject to the top of every media outlet in America.

Even more importantly, Allison and my other opponents in the budgetary dispute surely saw denouncing my article as a perfect means of deflecting my financial arguments without addressing them, while undercutting my influence with certain of TAC’s board members and major donors. An accusation of “racial insensitivity” has become an extremely powerful political trump card to play against one’s adversaries in our society, not merely among liberals but these days among conservatives as well.

And that’s the story of why “Pat Buchanan’s Magazine” purged its publisher for submitting a Public Interest-style article analyzing urban crime in America.

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  1. renfro says:

    Consider yourself well rid of TAC.
    Its nothing anymore.

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    Thanks, Mr. Unz. for a detailed look at the inner workings of the "conservative" publishing ecosystem.

    As other commenters have noted, the world is better off with Ron Unz liberated from the strictures of an organization such as TAC.
    , @James Braxton
    And in the future stay away from anything that involves the execrable Rod Dreher.

    The personification of backpfeifengesicht.

    , @Anonymous
    May I please be honest?

    Jews have taken over much of the conservative movement and media.

    Only Unz.com has the courage to talk about this.

    American Christians are afraid to talk about this problem of liberal and Neo-con Jews basically dominating all aspects of American life.

    America is lost. I wish it was not so, but it is.
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  2. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Another moral to the story: the dangers of non-profits and their Boards. It’s easier for an executive to take over when their is no owner to fire him.

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    ... the dangers of non-profits and their Boards.
     
    The part where Allison puts his daughter into a highly-paid job is a classic of the genre. In my experience this is what foundations are all about. Idealistic college grads who want to "serve" in the non-profit sector are seriously naive.
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  3. MEH 0910 says:

    Indeed, just a couple of months after I assumed control, my commitment was tested when one of their junior editors angrily resigned from the magazine over what he regarded as a totally unfair cover story on Barack Obama’s personal racial identity, and soon after published a harsh denunciation of TAC’s racialist orientation in the pages of the prestigious Washington Monthly.

    That link to the Alexander Konetzki piece doesn’t work, here’s the one that does:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2007/05/01/the-american-conservative-crackup/

    Ever since Barack Obama burst onto the political stage in 2004, pundits have taken to calling the junior senator from Illinois a rock star. He inspires, they say, with his youth, intelligence, and soaring oratory. He transcends race.

    This flattering picture, which makes even the senator blush, has seldom been challenged by political commentators or the public. And as of mid-March 2007, no one had tried in earnest to subvert the idea that, as president, Obama could help ease Americas racial tensions because his mother was white and his father was black.

    But thats exactly what Steve Sailer, a columnist for the anti-immigration site VDARE.com, tried to do in a piece he submitted to the American Conservative magazine, where, at the time, I was assistant editor. Using quotes from Obamas 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Sailer portrayed the senator not as a unifying figure, but as an angry black nationalist who completely rejected his white racial heritage as a young man and might do the same as president.

    Alexander Konetzki’s link to the Steve Sailer piece also doesn’t work, here’s the one that does:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obamas-identity-crisis/

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    First I heard of Obama was 05, 06 when I came across Dreams Of My Father at the library of the university where I worked. I read it. I picked up right away that he was an anti White racist.

    I’m real familiar with people like his White grandparents and his mother. Liberals and commies like his White grandparents of that generation put a lot of pressure on their daughters to marry blacks and breed a commie liberal indoctrinated black man. So after the first chapters about his mother I knew exactly what he is.

    There used to be a Barnes & Noble near my house and I went there frequently It had at least 100 magazines for sale. I saw TAC, but I never bought it. The word conservative turned me off.

    I’m not a conservative. I’m a White Natuinalist and my only issue is the lost cause of affirmative action , but it’s my issue.

    I assumed TAC was just another NR; what I call fuddy duddy conservative anti abortion, asine patriotism for the country that hates Whites, anti tattoos and vulgar entertainment, pro dog eat dog capitalism, but ignoring the war against Whites, anti living wage, totally useless. I guess I was wrong about it.

    So I never bought a copy of TAC because if the word conservative Maybe I should have, but I don’t respect conservatives any more than I do liberals.

    I found Unz through Steve Sailer. I’ve been following Steve for 20 years.
    , @Anon
    I read dreams from my father. I soon realized that although Obama’s Dad disappeared and he was raised by his White family in a state with almost no blacks but the transient military he hated Whites and was as much of a black nationalist as Sharpton or Jackson.

    How could people not see it? Even though the mind of a liberal is an empty sink waiting to be filled by the latest propaganda it’s astonishing that so few picked up Obama’s hatred of Whites.

    Or maybe only brainwashed liberals read it. .
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  4. Biff says:

    Taking risks is the only way a tiny publication can have any impact, but the desperate fear of alienating possible donors forced TAC to move in exactly the opposite direction.

    And this is why the Unz Review has become a much better Webzine than TAC. Albeit, the TAC is still better than the WSJ(not hard to do).

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  5. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: “Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn’t take “no” for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with.”

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it’s easy to believe the latter claim. It would be interesting to see the complement to your article written by someone from TAC at the time, maybe even McCarthy? I tend to believe that ultimately you were in the right but, seeing how you see yourself as basically a saint as far the whole TAC situation is concerned, a lingering doubt remains.

    Thanks much for the Unz Review in any case! The awesomeness of your software implementation is impossible not to notice. It’s a shame that all other comment sections/forums continue to operate with the crap that, as far as user experience is concerned, hasn’t evolved at all in the past 25 years.

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    People with integrity and principles are generally considered a "pain in the ass to work with" by those with, shall we say, a more "flexible" mindset. John T Reed has written at length about this.

    One of the strangest ideas of the journalism business is the widespread idea that editors and reporters have some kind of right to be independent of their publisher.

    Try this attitude out in any other business and see how long you last.
    , @Ron Unz

    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: “Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn’t take “no” for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with.”

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it’s easy to believe the latter claim.
     

    Ha, ha, ha---people really shouldn't believe everything they read in the media, certainly including NR, especially if based on hostile "anonymous sources."

    As I indicated in my own articles, during my entire 100% ownership of TAC, which lasted the first five years, my operating involvement was totally negligible (except for providing virtually all the funding). I never visited the offices, almost never wrote for the publication, and barely even glanced at the issues I received in the mail. Basically, every Monday I'd have a 5m phone call with the Editor, consisting of my asking how things were going---and that was it. Remember, I was *extremely* busy with my own work.

    And this almost exactly continued the last year or two, except that I was writing articles for the publication. If you've never once met or spoken with almost the entire editorial staff, it's hard to say you're "interfering." The sole exception was the last couple of months when I became very worried about the financial situation and tried to save TAC from shutting down.

    Perhaps you should check with Steve Sailer or Anatoly Karlin about just how frequently I speak with them or second-guess their own blogging topics.

    In hindsight I'd freely admit that my almost total non-involvement with the publication was probably a serious mistake, since it surely prepared the ground for the "coup" against me. But virtually all the other Board members were just as uninvolved---several of them didn't even remember they were on the Board.

    The accusations of my alleged TAC interference were so totally ludicrous that a couple of people who knew the situation reasonably well afterward told me they've never previously realized that "XYZ" was such an utterly pathological liar.


    Otherwise, I'd very much like to thank so many of the other commenters for their extremely kind words, and I'm sorry I can't respond to them individually.

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  6. MEH 0910 says:

    Some may be aware that when I originally established The Unz Review over four years ago one of my main motives was to have a convenient venue for my own writing, a situation necessitated by my removal as Publisher of The American Conservative.
    ……
    Given hindsight, I’d consider myself satisfied with the ultimate outcome.

    I agree.

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  7. Rational says:

    UNZ.COM IS THE BEST WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET, AND HAS MANY OF AMERICA’S GREATEST MINDS.

    This is an interesting story. Maybe it was for all good, because this site is truly one of the best on the internet.

    And the internet is the future of media. People are canceling print subscriptions left and right. Which is good, because truth can come out more easily, with less “friction costs” involved in the print media.
    I respect and trust your site more than “MSM”, such as the NYT, which I consider a joke.

    So sites like this are the new MSM.

    Some of the greatest, and most honest minds in this country today can be found here.

    These include Pat Buchanan, PCR, Napalitano, Giraldi, Israel Shamir, Finkelstein, etc. And you too.

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    UNZ.COM IS THE BEST WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET
     
    The T-shirt is already sold out.
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  8. The good news here is that The Unz Review today is far more interesting than TAC ever was.

    I do recall Buchanan’s classic article, ‘Who’s War?’ when it appeared on TAC way back in 2003, but the volume, quality and range of articles on UNZ blows TAC out of the water. Plus, the comments section here is equally outstanding, often yielding insights and articulations which surpass the main article. Thus I’m addicted to The Unz Review.

    May The Unz Review’s courageous, independent, uncensored and iconoclastic tradition persevere. For my money, it’s in a class by itself. Thank you, Ron Unz!

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    Agree.
    One important, maybe the most important, distinction between unz and TAC and others in the 'debates' of all things is..... unz doesn't do 'censorship'.
    While true we can see a lot of unsavory language and ideas I believe in letting a commenters words say who and what they are and letting others agree or argue or condemn or praise their ideas and beliefs.

    TAC is too much like the liberal snowflakes in censoring anything that challenges one of their writers. Case in point is Andrew Bacevich who sometimes appears at unz and who in my opinion is just a self serving pussy interested in keeping his articles out there by leaning whichever way he thinks the msm pc wind is blowing. He published on TAC a article that was a letter to the Superintendent of West Point telling him all references to General Lee (Confederate General) should be purged from West Point because Lee was a traitor and 'worse than Benedict Arnold .
    I challenged that by posting the following;.....which TAC deleted within 30 minutes. When I tried to post it again it was again removed and I was banned.

    August 1, 1960
    Mr. Dwight D. Eisenhower
    White House
    Washington, D.C.

    Dear Mr. President:

    At the Republication Convention I heard you mention that you have the pictures of four (4) great Americans in your office, and that included in these is a picture of Robert E. Lee.
    I do not understand how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, and why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.
    The most outstanding thing that Robert E. Lee did, was to devote his best efforts to the destruction of the United States Government, and I am sure that you do not say that a person who tries to destroy our Government is worthy of being held as one of our heroes.
    Will you please tell me just why you hold him in such high esteem?

    Sincerely yours,
    Leon W. Scott

    Despite undoubtedly having more important things to do as president, Eisenhower must have felt his answer was of such importance that he took the time to send Dr. Scott the following reply from the White House:

    August 9, 1960

    Dear Dr. Scott:

    Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

    General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

    From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
    Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

    Sincerely,
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

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  9. FKA Max says:

    The compensation of TAC’s business manager was tripled. Allison’s daughter went straight from an Andrew Sullivan internship to being TAC’s second highest paid editorial employee.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-american-conservative-purged-its-own-publisher/#p_1_34:19-43

    Nepotism kills businesses, or makes them underperform.

    Family First: How Nepotism Lowers Investment at U.S. Firms

    Year-by-year average investment computed as capital expenditures over book assets for firms in the top decile of our Nepotism measure (in red) and firms that do not disclose any family ties (in blue).

    Why does high nepotism lead to underinvestment? We try to answer this question by “following the money.’’ If nepotistic firms invest less than other firms, the resources that are not spent on new equipment and projects must go somewhere else. Our results clearly indicate that executives in nepotistic firms tend to pay key employees more than other companies do and approve higher payouts to their shareholders. The payouts and salaries roughly account for the difference in investment with respect to other firms in the same industry. We conjecture that the presence of relatives among the shareholders and the main employees weakens the governance mechanisms of the firm. Relatives placed into important positions may exercise undue influence on key corporate decisions such as payouts and salaries. We rule out the possibility that our findings are driven by higher cost of accessing financial resources or by family infighting, while we find mixed evidence for the hypothesis that family related employees are less skilled.

    http://clsbluesky.law.columbia.edu/2016/08/25/family-first-how-nepotism-lowers-investment-at-u-s-firms/

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2071841

    P.s. for the moderators: The magnifying glass icon button in the search box on the top right hand side of every page does not display properly. Thank you.

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    I think this is the daughter:


    She is a daughter of Christine M. Allison and Wick Allison of Dallas. The bride's father is a founder and the chairman, and her mother the president, of the Dallas-based D Magazine Partners, which publishes D Magazine. The bride’s father is also the former chairman of the American Ideas Institute, a Washington nonprofit group that publishes The American Conservative.
     
    - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/fashion/weddings/maisie-allison-john-owen.html

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/allison.jpg

    Source: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/masthead/allison/ Archived link: http://archive.is/Oc4he
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  10. Ha!! Probably they were all wearing simple Republican cloth bathing suits not that fancy nylon….

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  11. Mishra says:

    Congrats on your growing readership here at UNZ.COM. Truly independent voices are so rare in our media/internet landscape and you’re becoming indispensable–which sometimes has me wondering if you have a plan in place for ‘eventualities’.

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  12. > NR ran its short he said-she said item,

    The link here seems wrong, it redirects to an unrelated Corner post by John Derbyshire. Perhaps the Corner changed its database in the 5 years since you wrote your article? I’m guessing this is the article in question:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/08/american-conservative-unfused-betsy-woodruff/

    Also, I haven’t finished the article yet, but I am curious to know if there is a published version of your article analyzing urban crime that was rejected. Reading further, I’m guessing it’s

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    If so perhaps the would be clearer if you also linked to it at the start.

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  13. The link to Konetzki’s “harsh denunciation’ of the TAC article on Obama is also broken. I think this is the right one:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2007/05/01/the-american-conservative-crackup/

    I’m finding this story fascinating so far.

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    European-American:

    Thank you for the citation to the Washington Monthly article.

    BTW, I found the demeanor of its author, Alexander Konetzki, to be irritating being that of an insufferable prig.
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  14. Alfred says:

    I just checked Alexa.com and they claim that 4.6% of your visitors come from Sudan. I guess they are interested in the African IQ articles.

    Seriously, I believe there is some mixup there.

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    RI myself am reading Unz from Sudan. I answered an ad looking for male go go dancers,which stated "will train."

    It seems women here are not allowed to see so called adult entertainment. I dance for a motley collection of Sudanese army officers,drug dealers,gangsters and a group of rabbis.

    I may have made a mistake coming here and would like to leave. But I am paid only in gnurrk,the bitter mash made from squash that is a mainstay of the Sudanese diet.

    Can anyone help? I would be most appreciative.

    , @republic
    probably some NGO staffers there.

    was checking on geographic distribution of occidental observer, vdare and amren

    occidental got more traffic from the UK and Spain than US

    Vdare got traffic from US, Canada, UK, Australia and Israel

    Amren traffic came from US, UK Canada and Argentina
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  15. Tv changed the political debate, though very expensive, any politician with money can reach a large public, in a way more effective than papers can or could.
    Radio preceded tv, FDR’s Fireside Chats had great impact.
    Internet again changed the world, it is relatively cheap to communicate through internet, so vested interests are trying to control it, at this side of the Atlantic the EU leads the way.
    However, not easy to control internet.
    An interesting effect of internet also is that those whose voices have become unwanted in mainstream media resurrect themselves in the internet.

    Rabbi David Shasha is a good example, when he discovered he had been hired to counter financial claims by Palestinins driven from their land and homes with stories about sephardic jews driven out of Arabic countries, he quit.
    Could not find a job, but began the Sephardic Newletter, internet, an example that honest jews do exist.

    In Germany there is Ken Jebsen, his father is from the ME, or so.
    He was a well known well paid tv presenter, but accusations of antisemitism caused that he was fired.
    He began KenFM, internet, with so much success that a German prize for independent objective journalism was awarded to him.
    A Berlin senator did anything he could to prevent that he got the prize.
    This lead to a weird event, Ken Jebsen not being present at the ceremony, because he did not want to be a figurehead.
    But a prerecorded speech of him was presented, quite emotional, against those who want to silence him once again.
    I never could find anything antisemitic on his site, he does criticise Israel, Merkel, for waging wars, USA military presence in Germany, and war mongering by EU and NATO against Russia.

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    I’m very glad you’re here Jilles Your reading lists are informative and it’s good to have the perspective from a European.
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  16. Just out of interest, & as plain evidence of my ignorance, was TAC able to “purge” Mr Unz because it had restructured as a non-profit ?
    Mr Unz says he became the “owner”, that he assumed “control” & indeed paid some 3 million into the magazine. His reward ? Ignominiously kicked out by a board ever so cleverly steering the magazine toward bankruptcy….

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  17. It seems like this story is a microcosm of how things work. It certainly is educational for a reader who has no experience with such things.

    If the Unz Review is a result of Ron being “purged,” then the turn of events described has been for the best.

    UR has probably attracted many new readers that had nothing to do with publications like TAC. Certainly this reader is one. Many minds have been opened that otherwise would not have been. It seems also that more and more well-known people are reading this site. Let’s just hope that the history Mr. Unz tells of TAC will not repeat itself as this thing he created grows.

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  18. this was an interesting read. I am very familiar with your work at TAC. I don’t think we agreed on much about the meaning of the data sets. But most of that discussion was between readers and as i recall it is as intense as ever. Maybe fewer personal references, save from liberals. Who are forever making everything about some perceived personal flaw.

    TAC’s overall perspective seems as pro-white as ever, since I first visited their site years ago.

    I had to wince about your comments about the Zimmerman-Martn incident. I recall several articles on the subject.

    I always thought you were gone to do your site. It’s hard to imagine the matter over data articles concerning skin color. Granted TAC is not a conservative forum as I think of conservative, but then few cites are.

    If TAC wants to save money — they might consider relocating out of DC.

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  19. Ron, one of the links didn’t work: the one to the Washington Monthly.

    Before your defenestration I had been staying at clubs with libraries on the East and West coasts and urging them to remedy an omission by subscribing. However….

    Having given up my TAC subscription when I heard the short version of why you parted I am still now curious to know how TAC is faring. Is it still overstaffed? Whose financial support keeps it going? With PG also out is there anyone worth reading there?

    I’m sorry BTW to learn of your falling out with Scott McConnell whom I have not met but with whom had civil correspondence.

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  20. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    The compensation of TAC’s business manager was tripled. Allison’s daughter went straight from an Andrew Sullivan internship to being TAC’s second highest paid editorial employee.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-american-conservative-purged-its-own-publisher/#p_1_34:19-43

    Nepotism kills businesses, or makes them underperform.

    Family First: How Nepotism Lowers Investment at U.S. Firms

    https://clsbluesky.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/nepotism.png

    Year-by-year average investment computed as capital expenditures over book assets for firms in the top decile of our Nepotism measure (in red) and firms that do not disclose any family ties (in blue).

    Why does high nepotism lead to underinvestment? We try to answer this question by “following the money.’’ If nepotistic firms invest less than other firms, the resources that are not spent on new equipment and projects must go somewhere else. Our results clearly indicate that executives in nepotistic firms tend to pay key employees more than other companies do and approve higher payouts to their shareholders. The payouts and salaries roughly account for the difference in investment with respect to other firms in the same industry. We conjecture that the presence of relatives among the shareholders and the main employees weakens the governance mechanisms of the firm. Relatives placed into important positions may exercise undue influence on key corporate decisions such as payouts and salaries. We rule out the possibility that our findings are driven by higher cost of accessing financial resources or by family infighting, while we find mixed evidence for the hypothesis that family related employees are less skilled.

    – http://clsbluesky.law.columbia.edu/2016/08/25/family-first-how-nepotism-lowers-investment-at-u-s-firms/
     

    - https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2071841

    P.s. for the moderators: The magnifying glass icon button in the search box on the top right hand side of every page does not display properly. Thank you.

    I think this is the daughter:

    She is a daughter of Christine M. Allison and Wick Allison of Dallas. The bride’s father is a founder and the chairman, and her mother the president, of the Dallas-based D Magazine Partners, which publishes D Magazine. The bride’s father is also the former chairman of the American Ideas Institute, a Washington nonprofit group that publishes The American Conservative.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/fashion/weddings/maisie-allison-john-owen.html

    Source: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/masthead/allison/ Archived link: http://archive.is/Oc4he

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  21. jim jones says:

    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?

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    Ron Unz established this website after he was fired from The American Conservative. That’s why this article is important and well worth reading.

    And the only thing about his personal life in the article is that he lives on the west coast.
    , @Randal
    If it were about his personal life, it should still be interesting to those of us who value Unz.com as an unusually lightly censored place to read about and discuss political issues, since we are effectively meeting up to do so in his house and are entirely subject to his future decisions about how he runs it, or if he will even continue to run it at all. Useful to have some indications of how he will likely respond to actions, events and issues.

    However, it's not about his personal life, but about a highly directly relevant (to the aforementioned who value Unz.com) incident from his past public working life. So it's absolutely the very opposite of irrelevant.
    , @jacques sheete
    Who cares about your irrelevant and sappy opinion?

    I agree with the previous two responses to your worthless comment.
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  22. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jim jones
    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?

    Ron Unz established this website after he was fired from The American Conservative. That’s why this article is important and well worth reading.

    And the only thing about his personal life in the article is that he lives on the west coast.

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  23. Randal says:
    @jim jones
    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?

    If it were about his personal life, it should still be interesting to those of us who value Unz.com as an unusually lightly censored place to read about and discuss political issues, since we are effectively meeting up to do so in his house and are entirely subject to his future decisions about how he runs it, or if he will even continue to run it at all. Useful to have some indications of how he will likely respond to actions, events and issues.

    However, it’s not about his personal life, but about a highly directly relevant (to the aforementioned who value Unz.com) incident from his past public working life. So it’s absolutely the very opposite of irrelevant.

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  24. Randal says:

    A very interesting expansion of some inside information you have previously supplied about these events, thanks.

    Personally I find I rarely go to TAC these days – only when I’m bored and looking for some stimulating reading and have already exhausted more likely venues such as Unz and a few other sites. In part, that’s because they found my politics unacceptable and banned me from commenting there, but in part it’s surely because the content has become, as noted above, so much safer and more bland. Despite my general agreement with much of what the people writing there say, there seems to be little there that can’t be found here done at least as well, in the comments if not in the above the line pieces, and here there is the advantage of also having the opinions of those barred from writing at TAC for political reasons. TAC has become irrelevant, as the mechanism described in the piece above would have predicted it would, I suppose.

    Of course, the discussion software here is immeasurably better functionally than that at TAC, and that together with the generally far lighter censorship hand makes for a far better discussion on any issue.

    I’d like to say that it’s a vindication of an aspect of the JS Mill argument for freedom of speech. I don’t have to agree with everything someone writes to find useful information and arguments in what they write, and I sometimes find myself persuaded – usually over time – of the truth of something I formerly would not have considered.

    If my American Pravda article had made Allison very nervous for its possible impact upon donors, my Race and Crime article must have terrified him, coming as it did soon after the Jason Richwine Affair but several weeks before the George Zimmerman trial eventually pushed that exact same subject to the top of every media outlet in America.

    Even more importantly, Allison and my other opponents in the budgetary dispute surely saw denouncing my article as a perfect means of deflecting my financial arguments without addressing them, while undercutting my influence with certain of TAC’s board members and major donors. An accusation of “racial insensitivity” has become an extremely powerful political trump card to play against one’s adversaries in our society, not merely among liberals but these days among conservatives as well.

    The Giraldi experience at TAC suggests the former issue is certainly sufficient to cease publishing a writer who is writing material verboten (and usually censored for that reason) amongst the donor class, but it certainly seems likely that the latter motivation would be required in addition to do the same to a writer who is also the publisher and major donor himself.

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  25. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Indeed, just a couple of months after I assumed control, my commitment was tested when one of their junior editors angrily resigned from the magazine over what he regarded as a totally unfair cover story on Barack Obama’s personal racial identity, and soon after published a harsh denunciation of TAC’s racialist orientation in the pages of the prestigious Washington Monthly.
     
    That link to the Alexander Konetzki piece doesn't work, here's the one that does:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2007/05/01/the-american-conservative-crackup/


    Ever since Barack Obama burst onto the political stage in 2004, pundits have taken to calling the junior senator from Illinois a rock star. He inspires, they say, with his youth, intelligence, and soaring oratory. He transcends race.

    This flattering picture, which makes even the senator blush, has seldom been challenged by political commentators or the public. And as of mid-March 2007, no one had tried in earnest to subvert the idea that, as president, Obama could help ease Americas racial tensions because his mother was white and his father was black.

    But thats exactly what Steve Sailer, a columnist for the anti-immigration site VDARE.com, tried to do in a piece he submitted to the American Conservative magazine, where, at the time, I was assistant editor. Using quotes from Obamas 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Sailer portrayed the senator not as a unifying figure, but as an angry black nationalist who completely rejected his white racial heritage as a young man and might do the same as president.
     

    Alexander Konetzki's link to the Steve Sailer piece also doesn't work, here's the one that does:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obamas-identity-crisis/

    First I heard of Obama was 05, 06 when I came across Dreams Of My Father at the library of the university where I worked. I read it. I picked up right away that he was an anti White racist.

    I’m real familiar with people like his White grandparents and his mother. Liberals and commies like his White grandparents of that generation put a lot of pressure on their daughters to marry blacks and breed a commie liberal indoctrinated black man. So after the first chapters about his mother I knew exactly what he is.

    There used to be a Barnes & Noble near my house and I went there frequently It had at least 100 magazines for sale. I saw TAC, but I never bought it. The word conservative turned me off.

    I’m not a conservative. I’m a White Natuinalist and my only issue is the lost cause of affirmative action , but it’s my issue.

    I assumed TAC was just another NR; what I call fuddy duddy conservative anti abortion, asine patriotism for the country that hates Whites, anti tattoos and vulgar entertainment, pro dog eat dog capitalism, but ignoring the war against Whites, anti living wage, totally useless. I guess I was wrong about it.

    So I never bought a copy of TAC because if the word conservative Maybe I should have, but I don’t respect conservatives any more than I do liberals.

    I found Unz through Steve Sailer. I’ve been following Steve for 20 years.

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  26. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Tv changed the political debate, though very expensive, any politician with money can reach a large public, in a way more effective than papers can or could.
    Radio preceded tv, FDR's Fireside Chats had great impact.
    Internet again changed the world, it is relatively cheap to communicate through internet, so vested interests are trying to control it, at this side of the Atlantic the EU leads the way.
    However, not easy to control internet.
    An interesting effect of internet also is that those whose voices have become unwanted in mainstream media resurrect themselves in the internet.

    Rabbi David Shasha is a good example, when he discovered he had been hired to counter financial claims by Palestinins driven from their land and homes with stories about sephardic jews driven out of Arabic countries, he quit.
    Could not find a job, but began the Sephardic Newletter, internet, an example that honest jews do exist.

    In Germany there is Ken Jebsen, his father is from the ME, or so.
    He was a well known well paid tv presenter, but accusations of antisemitism caused that he was fired.
    He began KenFM, internet, with so much success that a German prize for independent objective journalism was awarded to him.
    A Berlin senator did anything he could to prevent that he got the prize.
    This lead to a weird event, Ken Jebsen not being present at the ceremony, because he did not want to be a figurehead.
    But a prerecorded speech of him was presented, quite emotional, against those who want to silence him once again.
    I never could find anything antisemitic on his site, he does criticise Israel, Merkel, for waging wars, USA military presence in Germany, and war mongering by EU and NATO against Russia.

    I’m very glad you’re here Jilles Your reading lists are informative and it’s good to have the perspective from a European.

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  27. Randal says:

    On a related note, experience suggest that publishing a website that allows the expression of views normally excluded from the US sphere mainstream would result in huge pressure via every available means on the owner to try to persuade him to change his policy and suppress the views in line with the mainstream. The most obvious area where this operates is over matters broadly described as the “jewish issue”, which seems to be among the most powerfully backed area of active promotion of censorship at the moment. Consider the convictions and likely actual jailing of three speechcriminals – Jeremy Turner, Alison Chabloz and Markus Meechan in the UK in just the past few weeks for expressing opinions found offensive by jewish lobby advocates (and which would not be at all unusual on Unz.com), in which jewish lobbies were highly active in pushing the state into acting on their complaints, and the attempts in the US to implement laws laughably in conflict with any honest interpretation of the First Amendment to criminalise any BDS activity or promotion.

    (But never forget that no suggestion jewish people and lobbies wield disproportionate influence anywhere or anyhow should be ventured – that would be anti-Semitism and a criminal offence even to say it in some unfree states such as the UK.)

    The public sign of such pressure is usually, on relatively small sites, just the expressions of faux “concern” we often see here from advocates of jewish lobby interests – “you really could get so much more respectability and become so much bigger if you would just censor these antisemites like normal publications do”. If you have donors or advertisers the same concerns are often combined with threats to withdraw funding or advertising if the demands of respectability are not complied with – fortunately this is not a concern at Unz.

    I imagine, though, that you would have received some private “advice” in this direction, and I suspect the urgency and heavyhandedness of that advice will only increase as Unz increases in size, ultimately combined with real direct harassment of both the website, and its owner. If you have not, that would be interesting in itself.

    One day, it will be interesting to read your personal memoir of these and the coming years (if it will be permitted to publish such material in the future).

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  28. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Indeed, just a couple of months after I assumed control, my commitment was tested when one of their junior editors angrily resigned from the magazine over what he regarded as a totally unfair cover story on Barack Obama’s personal racial identity, and soon after published a harsh denunciation of TAC’s racialist orientation in the pages of the prestigious Washington Monthly.
     
    That link to the Alexander Konetzki piece doesn't work, here's the one that does:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2007/05/01/the-american-conservative-crackup/


    Ever since Barack Obama burst onto the political stage in 2004, pundits have taken to calling the junior senator from Illinois a rock star. He inspires, they say, with his youth, intelligence, and soaring oratory. He transcends race.

    This flattering picture, which makes even the senator blush, has seldom been challenged by political commentators or the public. And as of mid-March 2007, no one had tried in earnest to subvert the idea that, as president, Obama could help ease Americas racial tensions because his mother was white and his father was black.

    But thats exactly what Steve Sailer, a columnist for the anti-immigration site VDARE.com, tried to do in a piece he submitted to the American Conservative magazine, where, at the time, I was assistant editor. Using quotes from Obamas 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Sailer portrayed the senator not as a unifying figure, but as an angry black nationalist who completely rejected his white racial heritage as a young man and might do the same as president.
     

    Alexander Konetzki's link to the Steve Sailer piece also doesn't work, here's the one that does:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obamas-identity-crisis/

    I read dreams from my father. I soon realized that although Obama’s Dad disappeared and he was raised by his White family in a state with almost no blacks but the transient military he hated Whites and was as much of a black nationalist as Sharpton or Jackson.

    How could people not see it? Even though the mind of a liberal is an empty sink waiting to be filled by the latest propaganda it’s astonishing that so few picked up Obama’s hatred of Whites.

    Or maybe only brainwashed liberals read it. .

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    Even though the mind of a liberal is an empty sink waiting to be filled by the latest propaganda...
     
    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.
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  29. Dan Hayes says:
    @European-American
    The link to Konetzki’s “harsh denunciation’ of the TAC article on Obama is also broken. I think this is the right one:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2007/05/01/the-american-conservative-crackup/

    I’m finding this story fascinating so far.

    European-American:

    Thank you for the citation to the Washington Monthly article.

    BTW, I found the demeanor of its author, Alexander Konetzki, to be irritating being that of an insufferable prig.

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  30. JackOH says:

    Thanks, Ron, for this fascinating insider story.

    I was one of those eager youngsters in grade school who’d shoot up his arm for teacher to call on me for the right answer. I spent the next fifty-some years figuring out that ideas need to be sold, shopped, cajoled, arm-twisted, infiltrated, tricked-out, pimped-out, etc. , if they are to stand a chance of being considered by someone who has the power to do something with them.

    Regrettably, I think, there are intelligent and sincere younger people who end up as hacks, writers and staffers and so forth, because they mistakenly believed their intelligence and sincerity were taken seriously by our overlords.

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    Agreed. I was one in the '80s, and like to think that my "career" stalled because the overlords, or more precisely minsters of propaganda in service to the overlords, saw in me limited potential as a useful idiot.
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  31. vinteuil says:

    …bloggers were steadily added to the payroll, and some salaries were sharply increased…The salary of one of TAC’s longtime bloggers was increased seven-fold, although his readership in mid-2012 was roughly the same as it had been in 2010 or 2011. During the course of about one year…the number of its regular bloggers rose from one to four. I also later discovered that TAC seemed to be paying most of these bloggers five to ten times the going market rate relative to the traffic they generated.

    Interesting. I wonder who we’re talking about, here. Millman? Larison?

    It would also be interesting to learn why TAC quit publishing Steve Sailer, way back when.

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  32. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron, I enjoyed your interview with Tom Woods. Thanks again for all you do.
    ‘Cockburn’…hehe…

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  33. @Alfred
    I just checked Alexa.com and they claim that 4.6% of your visitors come from Sudan. I guess they are interested in the African IQ articles.

    Seriously, I believe there is some mixup there.

    RI myself am reading Unz from Sudan. I answered an ad looking for male go go dancers,which stated “will train.”

    It seems women here are not allowed to see so called adult entertainment. I dance for a motley collection of Sudanese army officers,drug dealers,gangsters and a group of rabbis.

    I may have made a mistake coming here and would like to leave. But I am paid only in gnurrk,the bitter mash made from squash that is a mainstay of the Sudanese diet.

    Can anyone help? I would be most appreciative.

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  34. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?

    It’s more about the demise of TAC. A behind-the-scenes look.

    I was a subscriber to the TAC print magazine at the very beginning but lost interest after it moved away from its paleo-con orientation. A few years ago the TAC website was on my daily perusal list but I no longer bother to go there. I found Dreher too insufferable, his readers too PC and preening, and TAC itself too bland and mainstream.

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    TAC has too many articles by Larison and Dreher. I stopped reading Larison but occasionally read Dreher.

    Thank you for the Unz Review which is one of the best sites I see.
    , @David In TN
    I left TAC years ago, my subscription to the print magazine first. To judge from the comments to TAC's articles, much of their readership's views are in line with The Nation.
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  35. Since late 2006 I had provided some 70% of TAC’s total funding, and even after converting the publication into a non-profit in 2010, I had still remained TAC’s largest donor during 2012, while also serving as chairman.

    He instead suggested that a more appropriate venue for my article would be one of the webzines categorized as White Nationalist hate-sites by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    For several weeks I made frustrating attempts to gain support from the other members of TAC’s governing board.

    There may be several lessons in the above…

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  36. @Anon
    I read dreams from my father. I soon realized that although Obama’s Dad disappeared and he was raised by his White family in a state with almost no blacks but the transient military he hated Whites and was as much of a black nationalist as Sharpton or Jackson.

    How could people not see it? Even though the mind of a liberal is an empty sink waiting to be filled by the latest propaganda it’s astonishing that so few picked up Obama’s hatred of Whites.

    Or maybe only brainwashed liberals read it. .

    Even though the mind of a liberal is an empty sink waiting to be filled by the latest propaganda…

    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.

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    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.
     
    So let me guess: the human mind is an empty toilet, waiting to be filled with shit?

    Is that sufficiently unkind & inclusive for you?

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don't you.
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  37. @jim jones
    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?

    Who cares about your irrelevant and sappy opinion?

    I agree with the previous two responses to your worthless comment.

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  38. If nepotism is an eternal danger to reasonable human development, then just how does it hang together with racial tensions? – In the most obvious way, I’d assume. Since races not only cooperaate, but also compete (cf. Steve Sailer’s The Halfblood Prince).

    This leads me to just another thought: He who states such facts about racial (=societal) tensions, is always the one who riks to take the blame / it’s always about the taboo which covers the fact, that the emperor is naked (cf. Hans Christian Andersen’s Fairy Tales).

    cf. Freud’s Discomfort in Culture.

    This looks pretty much like an eternal struggle. There’s no earthly relief for this kind of problems – at least not according to Freud.

    Now all that’s left of what one can consider, concerning such societal dynamics, is the following: Nobody loves the brighter guy (an insight, Schopenhauer discussed very thoughtfully and clearly in “Parerga and Paralipomena – Essays and Aphorisms About Wisdoms of Life”) – not least after having contemplated Goethe’s pretty clear insights into this dynamic, which rested upon lots and lots of experiences – which Goethe – self-reflecting about his role in society, had managed to write down very clearly (cf. Maxims and Refections).

    To make a long story short, you’d have no problem pointing out that it was Hitler himself, who once shouted in an animalistic fashion at an enthusiastic crowd of thrilled followers: “Nothing feels better than blood on blood!”

    (… Yeah me and Franky laughin’ and drinkin’, nothin’ feels better than blood on blood
    Takin’ turns dancin’ with Maria as the band played “Night of the Johnstown Flood”
    I catch him when he’s strayin’, like any brother would
    Man turns his back on his family, well he just ain’t no good…)

    Ok – I just made a joke, see: “Highway Patrol Man”, LP Nebraska by altrigtht racist poster boy and pseudo-popstar – – –

    - – – ah, now I stop joking and just plainly say who once sang those lines: It was Bruce “The Boss” Springsteen.

    (The closest anybody came to Goethe, Schopenhauer and Freud lately, might well have been Sam Harris, in his introduction to his conversation with Charles Murray, where he remarks, that the questions concerning intelligence give him the impression of “a set of nested taboos”.

    As Goethe and Schopenhauer already discovered, it’s wise to handle explosives with care, so to speak. And it’s a bore to simply give in.

    “So” (JB Peterson) – all the best for you, Ron Unz. You are not alone in your struggle. And it is definitely worthwhile!!!

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  39. Jake says:

    I’m glad that Ron Unz finally has placed this for all interested parties to find. The story is fascinating, and in hindsight seemingly predictable.

    I think the best part of this article, the part that reveals something essential that we must face, is his analysis of the Republican ‘mainstream’ going from needlessly brutal in CA to acting like the most PC-crazed leftists. That kind of pendulum swinging is, I suggest, endemic to the American political and cultural experience, because it is also endemic to the groups that came raging out of the Anglophone reformation.

    The ‘left’ in the Anglosphere does not swing , it seems to me, so wildly. It shifts, obviously, and over time has often come to embrace nearly diametrically opposite stances from a previous era. But the Anglosphere left makes such moves rather slowly and naturally – they tend to flow. The Anglosphere ‘right’, however, is often like a teenager, with violent explosions that contradict one another from month to month or even week to week.

    Over time, I have concluded that such paroxysms from the ‘right’ are inevitable, because the entire Anglosphere, built upon the brutally self-righteous imperialism of what a Philadelphia academic would eventually dub WASP culture, is the violent revolutionary child with limits par excellence. The ‘right’ in the Anglosphere is virtually always nothing more than a collection of people trying to preserve aspects and mores of earlier eras of WASP-ruled cultural devastation imposed upon ‘other’ peoples, because those Anglophone ‘conservatives’ of today find that those previous expressions of WASP revolutionary imperialism produced a great comfort zone for a brief period of time – at least for the people they see as being theirs.

    The Anglosphere conservative is always frantic to freeze WASP revolution in a moment of time that he feels benefits him and his allies. He is as childishly naive as Alexander Kerensky thinking he could freeze Russian revolution so that it would be hunky dory and never descend into horror.

    Considering that the Kerensky family was rather close to the Ulyanov family (Lenin’s family), that is a totally self-defeating, self-blinding naivete I am talking about.

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  40. Roberto says:

    Asians generally consider “affirmative action”, as we know it on our continent, to be highly illogical. But , an Asian has a very high ability and respect, for all things mathematical.

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    As demonstrated by the high number fraudulent scientific studies, no doubt.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/world/asia/china-science-fraud-scandals.html

    http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/EY-asia-pacific-fraud-survey-2015-a-life-sciences-perspective/%24FILE/EY-asia-pacific-fraud-survey-2015-a-life-sciences-perspective.pdf

    http://occamstypewriter.org/boboh/2010/11/17/rates_of_scientific_fraud/
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  41. @Roberto
    Asians generally consider "affirmative action", as we know it on our continent, to be highly illogical. But , an Asian has a very high ability and respect, for all things mathematical.
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  42. And nothing of value was lost – in addition to Alexa, SimilarWeb also shows Unz and TAC converging in performance, whereas even just a year ago TAC was doing almost 50% better.

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

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    indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.
     
    And the comment environment as well, I would suggest - both the user-friendly software and the light moderation touch.
    , @SteveM

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

     

    I read and enjoy the Unz Review. I also read TAC among other notionally contrarian sites. I do hope that UR continues to do well and prosper.

    However the blog-o-sphere is a massive archipelago of ideological ghettos, with many (most?) enforcing lockstep conformity by heavily censoring and/or blocking dissenting comments no matter how well articulated. And most readers don't leave their mutually reinforcing ghettos.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    This Memorial Day is a case in point. The U.S. military was again sanctified and celebrated with the assumption that "Warrior Heroes" actually and truly "defend our freedoms" by slaughtering natives engaged in sectarian conflicts 6,000 miles from American shores. There was zero concomitant reflection in the MSM and by the political class as to whether U.S. "power projection" with military force was appropriate and legal. And whether the Trillions expended for those exercises in death and destruction actually served the interest of the taxpayers.

    The massive propaganda engine that codifies and sustains the perverse Cult of Military Exceptionalism in the U.S. will never allow those discussions in the MSM.

    And The U.S. (regime) in its recently updated National Security Strategy again claims the Global Cop Gorilla mantel without challenge from the Elites that matter. Expect more of the same without meaningful dissent.

    Unfortunately given that, Unz is merely entertainment and a vehicle to let off steam for us contrarians. Related to its real impact on actual decision making, the contrarian space is largely impotent.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

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  43. vinteuil says:
    @jacques sheete

    Even though the mind of a liberal is an empty sink waiting to be filled by the latest propaganda...
     
    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.

    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.

    So let me guess: the human mind is an empty toilet, waiting to be filled with shit?

    Is that sufficiently unkind & inclusive for you?

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don’t you.

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    So let me guess: the human mind is an empty toilet, waiting to be filled with shit?

     

    Apparently. At least it seems to be pretty much applicable to anyone who puts his, her, or its faith in politicians, whether "librul" or "kunsurvatif." And your comment lends support to the concept.

    Is that sufficiently unkind & inclusive for you?
     
    Why would anyone ask a question like that?
    , @jacques sheete

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don’t you.
     
    Well, dear superiority monitor, please reread the comment I was responding to and argue that it wasn't composed as a sneer, and wasn't meant to signal the author's imagined superiority.

    Tsk, tsk.
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  44. So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There’s no other site on the web–at least not in English–that even comes close.

    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.” – George Orwell

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    So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There’s no other site on the web–at least not in English–that even comes close.

    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.” – George Orwell
     

     
    I’m sure Deep State is not pleased with Unz.com. I’m sure the more popular it gets the more Deep State feels it must silence it. And I hope Ron doesn’t drive a new hackable car and end up like Michael Hastings.
    , @Gracebear
    Wonderful quote from Orwell. Thank you!
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  45. Randal says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    And nothing of value was lost - in addition to Alexa, SimilarWeb also shows Unz and TAC converging in performance, whereas even just a year ago TAC was doing almost 50% better.

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, "us" in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

    indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

    And the comment environment as well, I would suggest – both the user-friendly software and the light moderation touch.

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  46. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There's no other site on the web--at least not in English--that even comes close.

    "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations." - George Orwell
     

    So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There’s no other site on the web–at least not in English–that even comes close.

    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.” – George Orwell

    I’m sure Deep State is not pleased with Unz.com. I’m sure the more popular it gets the more Deep State feels it must silence it. And I hope Ron doesn’t drive a new hackable car and end up like Michael Hastings.

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    I would think a more likely outcome would be attempts on the part of the NSA, Mossad or some other group to hack Mr. Unz's servers and obtain the IP addresses of all the commenters. That way they could selectively blackball individuals by putting them on a terrorist watch list or something similar.

    Ron, I hope you're keeping your servers *very* secure.

    , @Seamus Padraig
    I hear you.
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  47. FWIW, when I was writing an end-of-the-book column for TAC, I was told that in racial matters I could write about affirmative action but not about intelligence. And yes, Kara was an ace.

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  48. SteveM says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    And nothing of value was lost - in addition to Alexa, SimilarWeb also shows Unz and TAC converging in performance, whereas even just a year ago TAC was doing almost 50% better.

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, "us" in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

    I read and enjoy the Unz Review. I also read TAC among other notionally contrarian sites. I do hope that UR continues to do well and prosper.

    However the blog-o-sphere is a massive archipelago of ideological ghettos, with many (most?) enforcing lockstep conformity by heavily censoring and/or blocking dissenting comments no matter how well articulated. And most readers don’t leave their mutually reinforcing ghettos.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    This Memorial Day is a case in point. The U.S. military was again sanctified and celebrated with the assumption that “Warrior Heroes” actually and truly “defend our freedoms” by slaughtering natives engaged in sectarian conflicts 6,000 miles from American shores. There was zero concomitant reflection in the MSM and by the political class as to whether U.S. “power projection” with military force was appropriate and legal. And whether the Trillions expended for those exercises in death and destruction actually served the interest of the taxpayers.

    The massive propaganda engine that codifies and sustains the perverse Cult of Military Exceptionalism in the U.S. will never allow those discussions in the MSM.

    And The U.S. (regime) in its recently updated National Security Strategy again claims the Global Cop Gorilla mantel without challenge from the Elites that matter. Expect more of the same without meaningful dissent.

    Unfortunately given that, Unz is merely entertainment and a vehicle to let off steam for us contrarians. Related to its real impact on actual decision making, the contrarian space is largely impotent.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

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    Your military are lauded by the MSM because they're scared of the popular reaction if they did anything else. The fear and loathing among the US elite for the US military is almost as strong as the tender love and care shown to it by normal US people.
    , @manorchurch

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.
     
    It's a long, long way from being bankrupt. A decade, maybe two. The conversion of the US population into a two-class feudal system will help (is helping) simplify funding for what the MI-complex becomes, as it fully integrates with government at all levels.

    The denouement will be interesting, as I suspect chunks of the massive US arsenal will be pieced-out to power centers opposing Russia and China -- perhaps to satellite puppet regimes in South America and Africa.

    Interesting times, indeed.
    , @lavoisier

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.
     
    This may be true at the level of trying to change the minds of the elite.

    But UR serves the purpose of informing those who want to be informed how the violent charade is likely to end and helps to prepare the way for new perspectives. I also believe, perhaps naively, that human rationality is the best antidote to lies and irrationality, and I think UR has helped to serve this purpose rather nobly.

    The Soviet Union collapsed in no small measure to the efforts of Solzshenitsyn.

    , @jacques sheete

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.
     
    Uh, oh, Vent-toot, at comment #43, ain't gonna be happy with your "superiority signalling," even though you are no doubt correct!

    ;)

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  49. I subscribed to TAC starting with the second issue. Kept it going for a couple years till life got in the way. Then it went “crunchy con” and except for a few foreign policy articles is mostly unreadable, especially the “New Urbans” stuff they write for the East Coast cocktail circuit.

    Is Dreher really popular or is he click-bait for people just waiting to see what he will turn coward on next?

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  50. Bill P says:

    If I recall correctly, I stopped reading TAC over ten years ago when it became bland and indistinguishable from other “conservative” mags.

    Today, the only conservative magazine I bother to read is the New Criterion, which has some pretty good articles on a regular basis. I came to Unz because I’ve been a devoted iSteve reader for 20 years now. Steve has done much of the heavy lifting here.

    Unz Review differs from TAC in that it has actually improved over time. Shows the value of a more hands off approach as well as intellectual independence. I’d guess that there are no staff meetings at Unz. Staff meetings are poisonous to creativity and independent thought. I’ll bet TAC had a lot of those, especially after it started hiring intern types.

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    Bill P:

    Regarding any staff meetings at UR: I suspect that UR's total staff consists of its proprietor Ron.
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  51. Tyrion 2 says:
    @SteveM

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

     

    I read and enjoy the Unz Review. I also read TAC among other notionally contrarian sites. I do hope that UR continues to do well and prosper.

    However the blog-o-sphere is a massive archipelago of ideological ghettos, with many (most?) enforcing lockstep conformity by heavily censoring and/or blocking dissenting comments no matter how well articulated. And most readers don't leave their mutually reinforcing ghettos.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    This Memorial Day is a case in point. The U.S. military was again sanctified and celebrated with the assumption that "Warrior Heroes" actually and truly "defend our freedoms" by slaughtering natives engaged in sectarian conflicts 6,000 miles from American shores. There was zero concomitant reflection in the MSM and by the political class as to whether U.S. "power projection" with military force was appropriate and legal. And whether the Trillions expended for those exercises in death and destruction actually served the interest of the taxpayers.

    The massive propaganda engine that codifies and sustains the perverse Cult of Military Exceptionalism in the U.S. will never allow those discussions in the MSM.

    And The U.S. (regime) in its recently updated National Security Strategy again claims the Global Cop Gorilla mantel without challenge from the Elites that matter. Expect more of the same without meaningful dissent.

    Unfortunately given that, Unz is merely entertainment and a vehicle to let off steam for us contrarians. Related to its real impact on actual decision making, the contrarian space is largely impotent.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

    Your military are lauded by the MSM because they’re scared of the popular reaction if they did anything else. The fear and loathing among the US elite for the US military is almost as strong as the tender love and care shown to it by normal US people.

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    the tender love and care shown to it by normal US people.

    Normal people elected Trump. If we can follow through and kill the NFL we will be on an unstoppable roll.
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  52. I still read TAC regularly and have no intention of ending that despite the loss of Dr. Giraldi and what Mr Unz has shared.

    These are two very different formats whose perspectives cross paths more often than not on the issue color, identity politics , gun control, federal spending, foreign policy and the military use of force.

    I would miss both for very different reasons.

    Here are the two articles on this weekend memorial perspective -

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  53. iffen says:
    @Tyrion 2
    Your military are lauded by the MSM because they're scared of the popular reaction if they did anything else. The fear and loathing among the US elite for the US military is almost as strong as the tender love and care shown to it by normal US people.

    the tender love and care shown to it by normal US people.

    Normal people elected Trump. If we can follow through and kill the NFL we will be on an unstoppable roll.

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  54. CJ says:
    @anon
    Another moral to the story: the dangers of non-profits and their Boards. It's easier for an executive to take over when their is no owner to fire him.

    … the dangers of non-profits and their Boards.

    The part where Allison puts his daughter into a highly-paid job is a classic of the genre. In my experience this is what foundations are all about. Idealistic college grads who want to “serve” in the non-profit sector are seriously naive.

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    The part where Allison puts his daughter into a highly-paid job is a classic of the genre.
     
    Awww....but she's so darn cute! You saw the picture...doncha just wanna chuck that little-girl chin oh-so avuncularly?
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  55. republic says:
    @Alfred
    I just checked Alexa.com and they claim that 4.6% of your visitors come from Sudan. I guess they are interested in the African IQ articles.

    Seriously, I believe there is some mixup there.

    probably some NGO staffers there.

    was checking on geographic distribution of occidental observer, vdare and amren

    occidental got more traffic from the UK and Spain than US

    Vdare got traffic from US, Canada, UK, Australia and Israel

    Amren traffic came from US, UK Canada and Argentina

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    Yeah, 1 in 20 Unz.com readers are NGO workers helping out in Sudan...

    ..and the entire Everyday Feminism readership are actually Imams at Wahhabi College, Riyadh.
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  56. @Anonymous
    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: "Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn't take "no" for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with."

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it's easy to believe the latter claim. It would be interesting to see the complement to your article written by someone from TAC at the time, maybe even McCarthy? I tend to believe that ultimately you were in the right but, seeing how you see yourself as basically a saint as far the whole TAC situation is concerned, a lingering doubt remains.

    Thanks much for the Unz Review in any case! The awesomeness of your software implementation is impossible not to notice. It's a shame that all other comment sections/forums continue to operate with the crap that, as far as user experience is concerned, hasn't evolved at all in the past 25 years.

    People with integrity and principles are generally considered a “pain in the ass to work with” by those with, shall we say, a more “flexible” mindset. John T Reed has written at length about this.

    One of the strangest ideas of the journalism business is the widespread idea that editors and reporters have some kind of right to be independent of their publisher.

    Try this attitude out in any other business and see how long you last.

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    Try this attitude out in any other business and see how long you last.

     

    Especially if the "business" is mafia controlled. Goes for "governments," too.

    PS: Please do accept my apologies,T, for signalling my superiority in these matters, especially since it apparently deeply offends the "Vent."
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  57. Patricus says:
    @Anonymous

    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?
     
    It’s more about the demise of TAC. A behind-the-scenes look.

    I was a subscriber to the TAC print magazine at the very beginning but lost interest after it moved away from its paleo-con orientation. A few years ago the TAC website was on my daily perusal list but I no longer bother to go there. I found Dreher too insufferable, his readers too PC and preening, and TAC itself too bland and mainstream.

    TAC has too many articles by Larison and Dreher. I stopped reading Larison but occasionally read Dreher.

    Thank you for the Unz Review which is one of the best sites I see.

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  58. You are a smart guy, Ron Unz, and you should have cutoff your largess much earlier than it finally did occur… there is no sense in supporting obstinate, self serving losers!

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  59. So TAC was your private property and you turned it into a non-profit of some kind? Interesting to me how often that ends in tears (eg Ford Foundation, CS Mott, etc). Socialists have a special talent for taking over the fortunes of conservative philanthropists and using them for their politics of envy.

    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions. Most guys in your financial league would be happy with a Bugatti. But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m tremendously glad you’ve built this and gifted it to the world, but what’s your long range vision here if any? Or do you see it as inevitably short term due to the same kind of entropy that eventually takes down any effort like this?

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    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions.
     
    Actually, as I'd tried to indicate in my article, I'd been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work). Ironically enough, the overwhelming majority of my funding occurred during that earlier period, which is also when I'd also been full owner, before converting it into a non-profit in (largely forlorn) hopes of attracting other major donors.

    But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue.
     
    Frankly, the total operating budget of The Review is so small by comparison, I can't see why I wouldn't continue it almost indefinitely, especially now that I may now finally---finally!---be able to start writing once again. Anyway, I'm certainly quite pleased with how it's been doing.
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  60. @SteveM

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

     

    I read and enjoy the Unz Review. I also read TAC among other notionally contrarian sites. I do hope that UR continues to do well and prosper.

    However the blog-o-sphere is a massive archipelago of ideological ghettos, with many (most?) enforcing lockstep conformity by heavily censoring and/or blocking dissenting comments no matter how well articulated. And most readers don't leave their mutually reinforcing ghettos.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    This Memorial Day is a case in point. The U.S. military was again sanctified and celebrated with the assumption that "Warrior Heroes" actually and truly "defend our freedoms" by slaughtering natives engaged in sectarian conflicts 6,000 miles from American shores. There was zero concomitant reflection in the MSM and by the political class as to whether U.S. "power projection" with military force was appropriate and legal. And whether the Trillions expended for those exercises in death and destruction actually served the interest of the taxpayers.

    The massive propaganda engine that codifies and sustains the perverse Cult of Military Exceptionalism in the U.S. will never allow those discussions in the MSM.

    And The U.S. (regime) in its recently updated National Security Strategy again claims the Global Cop Gorilla mantel without challenge from the Elites that matter. Expect more of the same without meaningful dissent.

    Unfortunately given that, Unz is merely entertainment and a vehicle to let off steam for us contrarians. Related to its real impact on actual decision making, the contrarian space is largely impotent.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

    It’s a long, long way from being bankrupt. A decade, maybe two. The conversion of the US population into a two-class feudal system will help (is helping) simplify funding for what the MI-complex becomes, as it fully integrates with government at all levels.

    The denouement will be interesting, as I suspect chunks of the massive US arsenal will be pieced-out to power centers opposing Russia and China — perhaps to satellite puppet regimes in South America and Africa.

    Interesting times, indeed.

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  61. @CJ

    ... the dangers of non-profits and their Boards.
     
    The part where Allison puts his daughter into a highly-paid job is a classic of the genre. In my experience this is what foundations are all about. Idealistic college grads who want to "serve" in the non-profit sector are seriously naive.

    The part where Allison puts his daughter into a highly-paid job is a classic of the genre.

    Awww….but she’s so darn cute! You saw the picture…doncha just wanna chuck that little-girl chin oh-so avuncularly?

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  62. Buddy Ray says:

    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement. The replies to the comments should be collapsible. How can a man so smart not get a comment section right? This comment should be near the top so we, the people of Unz, can inform you of how bad the comment section is. You want to make The UnZ ReVi3w a happening place? Fix the comment section.

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    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement.
     
    The notion that up-votes confer quality to comments is amusing, isn't it? After all, everybody likes it -- must be the bestest example of high-quality thinking on the face of Earth.

    If Galileo had posted "But it moves!" on a Kathlick website of the 17th century, he'd would have been burned at the stake.

    And just think of the up-votes Innocent III would get.
    , @Anon
    There’s nothing wrong with the comment section no need to change it
    , @jacques sheete

    Fix the comment section.
     
    You can help by not commenting further. It's called teaching by example. Bye-bye!
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  63. Dutch Boy says:

    I might be missing something but there seems to be plenty of “racially inflammatory” stuff (i.e., frank discussion of racial differences and their implications) on Unz.com. TAC just didn’t do it as well.

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  64. Issac says:
    @Jake
    I'm glad that Ron Unz finally has placed this for all interested parties to find. The story is fascinating, and in hindsight seemingly predictable.

    I think the best part of this article, the part that reveals something essential that we must face, is his analysis of the Republican 'mainstream' going from needlessly brutal in CA to acting like the most PC-crazed leftists. That kind of pendulum swinging is, I suggest, endemic to the American political and cultural experience, because it is also endemic to the groups that came raging out of the Anglophone reformation.

    The 'left' in the Anglosphere does not swing , it seems to me, so wildly. It shifts, obviously, and over time has often come to embrace nearly diametrically opposite stances from a previous era. But the Anglosphere left makes such moves rather slowly and naturally - they tend to flow. The Anglosphere 'right', however, is often like a teenager, with violent explosions that contradict one another from month to month or even week to week.

    Over time, I have concluded that such paroxysms from the 'right' are inevitable, because the entire Anglosphere, built upon the brutally self-righteous imperialism of what a Philadelphia academic would eventually dub WASP culture, is the violent revolutionary child with limits par excellence. The 'right' in the Anglosphere is virtually always nothing more than a collection of people trying to preserve aspects and mores of earlier eras of WASP-ruled cultural devastation imposed upon 'other' peoples, because those Anglophone 'conservatives' of today find that those previous expressions of WASP revolutionary imperialism produced a great comfort zone for a brief period of time - at least for the people they see as being theirs.

    The Anglosphere conservative is always frantic to freeze WASP revolution in a moment of time that he feels benefits him and his allies. He is as childishly naive as Alexander Kerensky thinking he could freeze Russian revolution so that it would be hunky dory and never descend into horror.

    Considering that the Kerensky family was rather close to the Ulyanov family (Lenin's family), that is a totally self-defeating, self-blinding naivete I am talking about.

    Aside from the UK, the anglosphere is still remarkably livable. Their conservative analogues on the continent also sacrificed their hard right edge on a similar time frame.

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  65. Gordo says:

    Keep up the good work Ron.

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  66. I was one of the early subscribers to TAC. But after a few years noticed many strange articles appearing that made me just a little annoyed. Soon after I quit TAC. I may have a few of the early mags still somewhere down in the basement.

    I volunteered for the military. Can we please stop the BS of “They’re there so we can be free here”
    or
    “They are there protecting our freedoms”

    Whose is responsible for that propaganda nonsense?

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  67. Tyrion 2 says:
    @republic
    probably some NGO staffers there.

    was checking on geographic distribution of occidental observer, vdare and amren

    occidental got more traffic from the UK and Spain than US

    Vdare got traffic from US, Canada, UK, Australia and Israel

    Amren traffic came from US, UK Canada and Argentina

    Yeah, 1 in 20 Unz.com readers are NGO workers helping out in Sudan…

    ..and the entire Everyday Feminism readership are actually Imams at Wahhabi College, Riyadh.

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  68. renfro says:
    @mark green
    The good news here is that The Unz Review today is far more interesting than TAC ever was.

    I do recall Buchanan's classic article, 'Who's War?' when it appeared on TAC way back in 2003, but the volume, quality and range of articles on UNZ blows TAC out of the water. Plus, the comments section here is equally outstanding, often yielding insights and articulations which surpass the main article. Thus I'm addicted to The Unz Review.

    May The Unz Review's courageous, independent, uncensored and iconoclastic tradition persevere. For my money, it's in a class by itself. Thank you, Ron Unz!

    Agree.
    One important, maybe the most important, distinction between unz and TAC and others in the ‘debates’ of all things is….. unz doesn’t do ‘censorship’.
    While true we can see a lot of unsavory language and ideas I believe in letting a commenters words say who and what they are and letting others agree or argue or condemn or praise their ideas and beliefs.

    TAC is too much like the liberal snowflakes in censoring anything that challenges one of their writers. Case in point is Andrew Bacevich who sometimes appears at unz and who in my opinion is just a self serving pussy interested in keeping his articles out there by leaning whichever way he thinks the msm pc wind is blowing. He published on TAC a article that was a letter to the Superintendent of West Point telling him all references to General Lee (Confederate General) should be purged from West Point because Lee was a traitor and ‘worse than Benedict Arnold .
    I challenged that by posting the following;…..which TAC deleted within 30 minutes. When I tried to post it again it was again removed and I was banned.

    August 1, 1960
    Mr. Dwight D. Eisenhower
    White House
    Washington, D.C.

    Dear Mr. President:

    At the Republication Convention I heard you mention that you have the pictures of four (4) great Americans in your office, and that included in these is a picture of Robert E. Lee.
    I do not understand how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, and why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.
    The most outstanding thing that Robert E. Lee did, was to devote his best efforts to the destruction of the United States Government, and I am sure that you do not say that a person who tries to destroy our Government is worthy of being held as one of our heroes.
    Will you please tell me just why you hold him in such high esteem?

    Sincerely yours,
    Leon W. Scott

    Despite undoubtedly having more important things to do as president, Eisenhower must have felt his answer was of such importance that he took the time to send Dr. Scott the following reply from the White House:

    August 9, 1960

    Dear Dr. Scott:

    Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

    General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

    From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
    Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

    Sincerely,
    Dwight D. Eisenhower

    http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

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    When a publication feels the need to censor below the line comments like that simply because they contain politically inconvenient truths, you can pretty much write it off imo as far as being any kind of forum for opinion or discussion is concerned.

    That's a great letter from Eisenhower, in the modern context.
    , @MEH 0910
    Rod Dreher put Eisenhower's reply in a post:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/duty-and-dishonor-the-south-trump/
    , @EliteCommInc.
    General E Lee by all accounts was quite the leader ----


    until he betrayed his country. Making war on the US was traitorous act and no amount of whining about southern loyalty is going to change that. And that traitorous act -- is applicable to every confederate who took up arms against their fellow citizens.



    excuse my political incorrectness
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  69. Gracebear says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There's no other site on the web--at least not in English--that even comes close.

    "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations." - George Orwell
     

    Wonderful quote from Orwell. Thank you!

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    My pleasure!
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  70. Gracebear says:

    Unz is my favorite site on the net. I read it several times a day and always learn something interesting or unusual, something I could find nowhere else. Thank you so much, Ron. (I supported your efforts in the Harvard Corporation and Asian admissions suit–maybe the current suit will do better.)

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  71. Randal says:
    @renfro
    Agree.
    One important, maybe the most important, distinction between unz and TAC and others in the 'debates' of all things is..... unz doesn't do 'censorship'.
    While true we can see a lot of unsavory language and ideas I believe in letting a commenters words say who and what they are and letting others agree or argue or condemn or praise their ideas and beliefs.

    TAC is too much like the liberal snowflakes in censoring anything that challenges one of their writers. Case in point is Andrew Bacevich who sometimes appears at unz and who in my opinion is just a self serving pussy interested in keeping his articles out there by leaning whichever way he thinks the msm pc wind is blowing. He published on TAC a article that was a letter to the Superintendent of West Point telling him all references to General Lee (Confederate General) should be purged from West Point because Lee was a traitor and 'worse than Benedict Arnold .
    I challenged that by posting the following;.....which TAC deleted within 30 minutes. When I tried to post it again it was again removed and I was banned.

    August 1, 1960
    Mr. Dwight D. Eisenhower
    White House
    Washington, D.C.

    Dear Mr. President:

    At the Republication Convention I heard you mention that you have the pictures of four (4) great Americans in your office, and that included in these is a picture of Robert E. Lee.
    I do not understand how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, and why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.
    The most outstanding thing that Robert E. Lee did, was to devote his best efforts to the destruction of the United States Government, and I am sure that you do not say that a person who tries to destroy our Government is worthy of being held as one of our heroes.
    Will you please tell me just why you hold him in such high esteem?

    Sincerely yours,
    Leon W. Scott

    Despite undoubtedly having more important things to do as president, Eisenhower must have felt his answer was of such importance that he took the time to send Dr. Scott the following reply from the White House:

    August 9, 1960

    Dear Dr. Scott:

    Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

    General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

    From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
    Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

    Sincerely,
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

    When a publication feels the need to censor below the line comments like that simply because they contain politically inconvenient truths, you can pretty much write it off imo as far as being any kind of forum for opinion or discussion is concerned.

    That’s a great letter from Eisenhower, in the modern context.

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  72. chris says:

    Dear Ron, that was a great interview you did with Tom Woods last week.
    Why not start your own weekly podcast, interviewing your own featured writers? That will really leave TAC in the dust?

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  73. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:

    Everything happened for a reason. Ron Unz was fired from TAC because the world needs a website like Unz Review, which is without a doubt the best website I’ve come across on the web today, a place where free speech is truly honored and respected, what a breath of fresh air, and so sorely needed.

    UR’s greatest strength, aside from being a place for alternative, non-mainstream viewpoints, is that it has a well designed comments section that does not practice any form of censorship, and let people police themselves (except for Steve Sailer’s columns, I wish he would stop censoring comments).

    Too many websites either censor reader comments heavily (NYT, Breitbart, TAC), or uses lousy technology that makes it hard to view comments (Breitbart, any site with Disqus). The Economist used to have a robust reader comments section with some great commenters, then they “redesigned” the website and buried the comments, now they’ve removed it altogether. People like to be able to respond to what they read, too many liberal as well as neocon websites refuse to allow anyone else an opinion. The left and neocons have that in common, both are totalitarians. Only liars are afraid of readers’ comments.

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website. UR is now my go to website everyday, replacing first NYT then Breitbart. The only thing that could make this website even better is a “thumbs up” feature for every article and reader comment.

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    Agreed. I'm a moderate lefty who finds UR to be a true open forum. The writing from both the contributors and the commentators is mostly of a high caliber.
    , @The Scalpel
    "Everything happened for a reason. " Yes, we live in the best of all possible worlds.
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  74. gsjackson says:
    @JackOH
    Thanks, Ron, for this fascinating insider story.

    I was one of those eager youngsters in grade school who'd shoot up his arm for teacher to call on me for the right answer. I spent the next fifty-some years figuring out that ideas need to be sold, shopped, cajoled, arm-twisted, infiltrated, tricked-out, pimped-out, etc. , if they are to stand a chance of being considered by someone who has the power to do something with them.

    Regrettably, I think, there are intelligent and sincere younger people who end up as hacks, writers and staffers and so forth, because they mistakenly believed their intelligence and sincerity were taken seriously by our overlords.

    Agreed. I was one in the ’80s, and like to think that my “career” stalled because the overlords, or more precisely minsters of propaganda in service to the overlords, saw in me limited potential as a useful idiot.

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    Yeah. I recall reading an article, possibly NYT, about a young Ph. D. in political science whose writing attracted the attention of a possible employer. Government, think tank, can't really recall. During the course of meeting with the employer's rep, the Ph. D. sensed he was being "turned". I recall little detail.

    In a nutshell, the employer didn't give a hoot about the substance of what the young Ph. D. had to say. He, the employer, just wanted a bright guy who could crank out slick policy papers on demand. In other words--a hack, an automaton. The Ph. D. chucked it and took work as a motorcycle mechanic.

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  75. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    So for three million dollars plus you learned that incompetent people hate being told what to do by competent people. One is tempted to say LOL. However, it is an important lesson of which anyone who is in some way competent should take note.

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    So for three million dollars plus you learned that incompetent people hate being told what to do by competent people.
     
    LOL. Yeah, you and I learned that while being paid by incompetent people!
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  76. Wade says:
    @Anonymous

    So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There’s no other site on the web–at least not in English–that even comes close.

    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.” – George Orwell
     

     
    I’m sure Deep State is not pleased with Unz.com. I’m sure the more popular it gets the more Deep State feels it must silence it. And I hope Ron doesn’t drive a new hackable car and end up like Michael Hastings.

    I would think a more likely outcome would be attempts on the part of the NSA, Mossad or some other group to hack Mr. Unz’s servers and obtain the IP addresses of all the commenters. That way they could selectively blackball individuals by putting them on a terrorist watch list or something similar.

    Ron, I hope you’re keeping your servers *very* secure.

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    I would think a more likely outcome would be attempts on the part of the NSA, Mossad or some other group to hack Mr. Unz’s servers and obtain the IP addresses of all the commenters.
     
    That's not how it works. I advise you not to muss your hair over technical details of website access and operation.
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  77. ” … a process that seems to have recently claimed the late Alex Cockburn’s once fiercely-independent Counterpunch.”

    Counterpunch is now a DNC publication. They might as well install racialist fraud Joy Reid as editor. Alexander Cockburn, long-time resident of the Lost Coast up in Humboldt County, was a true contrarian. I was an avid reader of his Nation columns during the Reaganite eighties. His brother, Patrick, wrote a slim but eye-opening biography of Donald Rumsfeld.

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  78. @anon
    Everything happened for a reason. Ron Unz was fired from TAC because the world needs a website like Unz Review, which is without a doubt the best website I've come across on the web today, a place where free speech is truly honored and respected, what a breath of fresh air, and so sorely needed.

    UR's greatest strength, aside from being a place for alternative, non-mainstream viewpoints, is that it has a well designed comments section that does not practice any form of censorship, and let people police themselves (except for Steve Sailer's columns, I wish he would stop censoring comments).

    Too many websites either censor reader comments heavily (NYT, Breitbart, TAC), or uses lousy technology that makes it hard to view comments (Breitbart, any site with Disqus). The Economist used to have a robust reader comments section with some great commenters, then they "redesigned" the website and buried the comments, now they've removed it altogether. People like to be able to respond to what they read, too many liberal as well as neocon websites refuse to allow anyone else an opinion. The left and neocons have that in common, both are totalitarians. Only liars are afraid of readers' comments.

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website. UR is now my go to website everyday, replacing first NYT then Breitbart. The only thing that could make this website even better is a "thumbs up" feature for every article and reader comment.

    Agreed. I’m a moderate lefty who finds UR to be a true open forum. The writing from both the contributors and the commentators is mostly of a high caliber.

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  79. lavoisier says: • Website
    @SteveM

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

     

    I read and enjoy the Unz Review. I also read TAC among other notionally contrarian sites. I do hope that UR continues to do well and prosper.

    However the blog-o-sphere is a massive archipelago of ideological ghettos, with many (most?) enforcing lockstep conformity by heavily censoring and/or blocking dissenting comments no matter how well articulated. And most readers don't leave their mutually reinforcing ghettos.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    This Memorial Day is a case in point. The U.S. military was again sanctified and celebrated with the assumption that "Warrior Heroes" actually and truly "defend our freedoms" by slaughtering natives engaged in sectarian conflicts 6,000 miles from American shores. There was zero concomitant reflection in the MSM and by the political class as to whether U.S. "power projection" with military force was appropriate and legal. And whether the Trillions expended for those exercises in death and destruction actually served the interest of the taxpayers.

    The massive propaganda engine that codifies and sustains the perverse Cult of Military Exceptionalism in the U.S. will never allow those discussions in the MSM.

    And The U.S. (regime) in its recently updated National Security Strategy again claims the Global Cop Gorilla mantel without challenge from the Elites that matter. Expect more of the same without meaningful dissent.

    Unfortunately given that, Unz is merely entertainment and a vehicle to let off steam for us contrarians. Related to its real impact on actual decision making, the contrarian space is largely impotent.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

    This may be true at the level of trying to change the minds of the elite.

    But UR serves the purpose of informing those who want to be informed how the violent charade is likely to end and helps to prepare the way for new perspectives. I also believe, perhaps naively, that human rationality is the best antidote to lies and irrationality, and I think UR has helped to serve this purpose rather nobly.

    The Soviet Union collapsed in no small measure to the efforts of Solzshenitsyn.

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  80. Ron Unz says:
    @Stan d Mute
    So TAC was your private property and you turned it into a non-profit of some kind? Interesting to me how often that ends in tears (eg Ford Foundation, CS Mott, etc). Socialists have a special talent for taking over the fortunes of conservative philanthropists and using them for their politics of envy.

    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions. Most guys in your financial league would be happy with a Bugatti. But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m tremendously glad you’ve built this and gifted it to the world, but what’s your long range vision here if any? Or do you see it as inevitably short term due to the same kind of entropy that eventually takes down any effort like this?

    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions.

    Actually, as I’d tried to indicate in my article, I’d been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work). Ironically enough, the overwhelming majority of my funding occurred during that earlier period, which is also when I’d also been full owner, before converting it into a non-profit in (largely forlorn) hopes of attracting other major donors.

    But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue.

    Frankly, the total operating budget of The Review is so small by comparison, I can’t see why I wouldn’t continue it almost indefinitely, especially now that I may now finally—finally!—be able to start writing once again. Anyway, I’m certainly quite pleased with how it’s been doing.

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    Actually, as I’d tried to indicate in my article, I’d been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work).
     
    I read it in entirety and then all the comments before I posted so the mistake is mine I’m certain, plus I’d actually have a bit more admiration if it was done primarily so you could inject your own reasoned opinions (as well as hate facts) into the public discourse.

    I can’t see why I wouldn’t continue it almost indefinitely
     
    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz although I can see Unz.org being maintained (after being scrubbed of non-PC material) as you said indefinitely. In any case, the question itself is probably inappropriate as is my next one..

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding? Have you ever chatted with any of the guys who think different and have Monopoly money to play with (eg Thiel, Paul Allen) about ways to reach a larger audience? Finding Unz.com isn’t like finding FaceBook - but are FaceBook users on average able to glean any wisdom here or is this all beyond them? Put another way, currently Unz.com is a bit of a highbrow site with an outsized influence. Yet much of what you yourself have written could and should be known by Joe Sixpack despite his difficulties following along. An UnzForDummies.com might distill a 20,000 word series on media confabulation and prevarication into something digestible yet more substantial than “fake news.” Or it might translate James Thompson or Razib Khan into high school freshman-ese (eg “dna is confirming what our lying eyes have been telling us for 10,000 years...”). The videos you’ve added I think are a big step toward this, but only if people like our pal Joe can find them.
    , @David In TN
    Ron,

    Thanks for providing us with The Review. I hope you can "continue it almost indefinitely."
    , @Yevardian
    Will you be writing articles regularly in the future from now on? You have been on quite a long hiatus.
    Do you have any more unpublished papers on antiquity? I quite enjoyed 'The Spartan Naval Empire' and later cited it for my own work.

    Regarding the site, do you have any plans of inviting/taking-on any more columnists? I think Robert Fisk would fit very well here, a middle-east correspondent of personal integrity and a fluent Arabist. As of right now one can only read him in The Independent which today is about on the same quality level as The Guardian.

    I assume you're familiar with him already, but if not:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk
    On chlorine attack:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd4Euuq0iF8
    1993 documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDoyxzRlgE

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  81. @Buddy Ray
    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement. The replies to the comments should be collapsible. How can a man so smart not get a comment section right? This comment should be near the top so we, the people of Unz, can inform you of how bad the comment section is. You want to make The UnZ ReVi3w a happening place? Fix the comment section.

    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement.

    The notion that up-votes confer quality to comments is amusing, isn’t it? After all, everybody likes it — must be the bestest example of high-quality thinking on the face of Earth.

    If Galileo had posted “But it moves!” on a Kathlick website of the 17th century, he’d would have been burned at the stake.

    And just think of the up-votes Innocent III would get.

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    I take it they are blocking P addresses outside the catholic sphere of influence.
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  82. @Wade
    I would think a more likely outcome would be attempts on the part of the NSA, Mossad or some other group to hack Mr. Unz's servers and obtain the IP addresses of all the commenters. That way they could selectively blackball individuals by putting them on a terrorist watch list or something similar.

    Ron, I hope you're keeping your servers *very* secure.

    I would think a more likely outcome would be attempts on the part of the NSA, Mossad or some other group to hack Mr. Unz’s servers and obtain the IP addresses of all the commenters.

    That’s not how it works. I advise you not to muss your hair over technical details of website access and operation.

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  83. @CanSpeccy
    So for three million dollars plus you learned that incompetent people hate being told what to do by competent people. One is tempted to say LOL. However, it is an important lesson of which anyone who is in some way competent should take note.

    So for three million dollars plus you learned that incompetent people hate being told what to do by competent people.

    LOL. Yeah, you and I learned that while being paid by incompetent people!

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    LOL. Yeah, you and I learned that while being paid by incompetent people!
     
    Nor sure what you're getting at here. Apart from a stint as an employee of several universities and the taxpayers of several countries, I was self-employed.
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  84. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous
    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: "Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn't take "no" for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with."

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it's easy to believe the latter claim. It would be interesting to see the complement to your article written by someone from TAC at the time, maybe even McCarthy? I tend to believe that ultimately you were in the right but, seeing how you see yourself as basically a saint as far the whole TAC situation is concerned, a lingering doubt remains.

    Thanks much for the Unz Review in any case! The awesomeness of your software implementation is impossible not to notice. It's a shame that all other comment sections/forums continue to operate with the crap that, as far as user experience is concerned, hasn't evolved at all in the past 25 years.

    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: “Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn’t take “no” for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with.”

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it’s easy to believe the latter claim.

    Ha, ha, ha—people really shouldn’t believe everything they read in the media, certainly including NR, especially if based on hostile “anonymous sources.”

    As I indicated in my own articles, during my entire 100% ownership of TAC, which lasted the first five years, my operating involvement was totally negligible (except for providing virtually all the funding). I never visited the offices, almost never wrote for the publication, and barely even glanced at the issues I received in the mail. Basically, every Monday I’d have a 5m phone call with the Editor, consisting of my asking how things were going—and that was it. Remember, I was *extremely* busy with my own work.

    And this almost exactly continued the last year or two, except that I was writing articles for the publication. If you’ve never once met or spoken with almost the entire editorial staff, it’s hard to say you’re “interfering.” The sole exception was the last couple of months when I became very worried about the financial situation and tried to save TAC from shutting down.

    Perhaps you should check with Steve Sailer or Anatoly Karlin about just how frequently I speak with them or second-guess their own blogging topics.

    In hindsight I’d freely admit that my almost total non-involvement with the publication was probably a serious mistake, since it surely prepared the ground for the “coup” against me. But virtually all the other Board members were just as uninvolved—several of them didn’t even remember they were on the Board.

    The accusations of my alleged TAC interference were so totally ludicrous that a couple of people who knew the situation reasonably well afterward told me they’ve never previously realized that “XYZ” was such an utterly pathological liar.

    Otherwise, I’d very much like to thank so many of the other commenters for their extremely kind words, and I’m sorry I can’t respond to them individually.

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    Thanks for following up, Ron. FWIW, I did not blindly believe NR, just had reasonable doubts about both sides of the story.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Perhaps you should check with Steve Sailer or Anatoly Karlin about just how frequently I speak with them or second-guess their own blogging topics.
     
    1. Rarely.

    2. Can't recall a single incidence of that.

    I think Ron trusts us to have a good idea about what is best for the growth of our own audience. Considering this site's editorial position, to the extent that it exists, is innately heterodox ("Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives"), it would in any case be contrary to the site's vision to have overweening editorial interference.
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  85. Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website.

    Indeed we all gained from this fallout.
    It was interesting to read about Ron Unz’s evolution; now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans. It would be good if you’d get Justin Raimondo on board. Now Unz Review is probably more read than Antiwar. Good that Diana Johnstone is with us. And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
    The present format of just two pieces on the top is also good. Julian Assange told me that Counterpunch’s main problem was that they published too much of crap.

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    " . . . now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race . . ."


    it's not hard. we set up an entire system based on skin color and why one was better than the other - so much so we condoned, and embraced slavery which launched a major economic boon North and south from free labor and the trade and sale of human beings -- "property".

    given our fundamental philosophy for a revolution, the very idea of slavery severed its claims. That level of hypocrisy was bound to catch up with is sooner or later and when it came to logger heads, quite by accident, the country killed 1 million of its own to resolve whether one could voluntarily or by force leave the union. Winners set blacks free. But failed to ensure their rights as citizens and the mess has played itself out in various forms --- it is our original sin that we refuse to put to sleep.

    What it would take send us reeling into recriminations the evils of diversity be wish we really mean ----

    can no one rid us these damnable blacks -- their mere presence problematic -- having to face that original sin day out and day in --- with all of its tentacles stretching across and inside the very american dream we set to bestow upon ourselves.


    What the apostle paul calls -- " . . . a thorn in the flesh."

    , @Mishima Zaibatsu

    Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans.
     
    Steve Sailer's blog has been eye-opening to me as an outsider to how the U.S. elites use race in a way which seems designed to engineer and encourage maximum resentment towards white Americans.

    I read this stuff with horror over the years, feeling grateful that such ruthlessly effective divide and conquer tactics were largely absent from public discourse in Britain and (foolishly) believing that it wouldn't stand here.

    Sadly since then, we have seemingly imported the whole kit and caboodle of race war nonsense, which has been made more dangerous in that it has received full backing from the state, with our "Conservative" government creating a race differences database and demanding all inequalities between groups be eliminated.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
     
    I second that whole-heartedly. In retrospect, the Unz pieces were probably the best thing I ever read over at TAC. And the ones you've posted here are just as good. Keep it up!
    , @jacques sheete

    It would be good if you’d get Justin Raimondo on board.
     
    With the proviso that he limit his articles to a max of 600 words. Yeah, he has a lot to say, but tends to get too windy.
    , @Rurik

    Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race;
     
    been to Zimbabwe lately Mr. Shamir?

    how about S. Africa?

    or, perchance have you heard of Palestine?

    It's true that most Japanese or Icelanders or Samoans have very little preoccupation with race, but it's hard to determine any explanation for that.

    Hmm..

    England, for instance, (nor France, etc..) had any racial problems to speak of only a few decades ago, and now this issue is ripping apart the fabric of those erstwhile homogeneous nations.

    and yet there's just no figuring out why that is...!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/f5DpoBB5ZFNHG/giphy.gif
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  86. @Anonymous

    This article is irrelevant, who cares about Mr.Unz`s personal life?
     
    It’s more about the demise of TAC. A behind-the-scenes look.

    I was a subscriber to the TAC print magazine at the very beginning but lost interest after it moved away from its paleo-con orientation. A few years ago the TAC website was on my daily perusal list but I no longer bother to go there. I found Dreher too insufferable, his readers too PC and preening, and TAC itself too bland and mainstream.

    I left TAC years ago, my subscription to the print magazine first. To judge from the comments to TAC’s articles, much of their readership’s views are in line with The Nation.

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  87. iffen says:

    Counterpunch’s main problem was that they published too much of crap.

    Heaven forbid that should happen to the UR.

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  88. MEH 0910 says:
    @renfro
    Agree.
    One important, maybe the most important, distinction between unz and TAC and others in the 'debates' of all things is..... unz doesn't do 'censorship'.
    While true we can see a lot of unsavory language and ideas I believe in letting a commenters words say who and what they are and letting others agree or argue or condemn or praise their ideas and beliefs.

    TAC is too much like the liberal snowflakes in censoring anything that challenges one of their writers. Case in point is Andrew Bacevich who sometimes appears at unz and who in my opinion is just a self serving pussy interested in keeping his articles out there by leaning whichever way he thinks the msm pc wind is blowing. He published on TAC a article that was a letter to the Superintendent of West Point telling him all references to General Lee (Confederate General) should be purged from West Point because Lee was a traitor and 'worse than Benedict Arnold .
    I challenged that by posting the following;.....which TAC deleted within 30 minutes. When I tried to post it again it was again removed and I was banned.

    August 1, 1960
    Mr. Dwight D. Eisenhower
    White House
    Washington, D.C.

    Dear Mr. President:

    At the Republication Convention I heard you mention that you have the pictures of four (4) great Americans in your office, and that included in these is a picture of Robert E. Lee.
    I do not understand how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, and why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.
    The most outstanding thing that Robert E. Lee did, was to devote his best efforts to the destruction of the United States Government, and I am sure that you do not say that a person who tries to destroy our Government is worthy of being held as one of our heroes.
    Will you please tell me just why you hold him in such high esteem?

    Sincerely yours,
    Leon W. Scott

    Despite undoubtedly having more important things to do as president, Eisenhower must have felt his answer was of such importance that he took the time to send Dr. Scott the following reply from the White House:

    August 9, 1960

    Dear Dr. Scott:

    Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

    General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

    From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
    Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

    Sincerely,
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

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    Rod Dreher put Eisenhower’s reply in a post:
     
    Interesting......Dreher quotes the Ike letter on August 25 2017.......after I had quoted it on August 19 2017 and had it deleted twice.
    , @Jeff Deist
    Every so often Dreher surprises.
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  89. @Ron Unz

    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions.
     
    Actually, as I'd tried to indicate in my article, I'd been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work). Ironically enough, the overwhelming majority of my funding occurred during that earlier period, which is also when I'd also been full owner, before converting it into a non-profit in (largely forlorn) hopes of attracting other major donors.

    But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue.
     
    Frankly, the total operating budget of The Review is so small by comparison, I can't see why I wouldn't continue it almost indefinitely, especially now that I may now finally---finally!---be able to start writing once again. Anyway, I'm certainly quite pleased with how it's been doing.

    Actually, as I’d tried to indicate in my article, I’d been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work).

    I read it in entirety and then all the comments before I posted so the mistake is mine I’m certain, plus I’d actually have a bit more admiration if it was done primarily so you could inject your own reasoned opinions (as well as hate facts) into the public discourse.

    I can’t see why I wouldn’t continue it almost indefinitely

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz although I can see Unz.org being maintained (after being scrubbed of non-PC material) as you said indefinitely. In any case, the question itself is probably inappropriate as is my next one..

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding? Have you ever chatted with any of the guys who think different and have Monopoly money to play with (eg Thiel, Paul Allen) about ways to reach a larger audience? Finding Unz.com isn’t like finding FaceBook – but are FaceBook users on average able to glean any wisdom here or is this all beyond them? Put another way, currently Unz.com is a bit of a highbrow site with an outsized influence. Yet much of what you yourself have written could and should be known by Joe Sixpack despite his difficulties following along. An UnzForDummies.com might distill a 20,000 word series on media confabulation and prevarication into something digestible yet more substantial than “fake news.” Or it might translate James Thompson or Razib Khan into high school freshman-ese (eg “dna is confirming what our lying eyes have been telling us for 10,000 years…”). The videos you’ve added I think are a big step toward this, but only if people like our pal Joe can find them.

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    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz
     
    Well, I'm really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there's a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) "discontinuity" of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?
     
    Well, it's difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn't really work out so well.

    Anyway, it's not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I'm not sure they'd get along that well.

    One thing I've learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there's only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.
    , @Anon
    Don’t be such a snob. Anyone can read the articles and comments. One way to increase readership would to put links in other like minded websites.
    For instance I found amren in the list of links on vdare
    , @CanSpeccy

    Or it might translate James Thompson ... into high school freshman-ese
     
    For those unable to recognize BS in its native state, such translation might be enlightening.
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  90. @Ron Unz

    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions.
     
    Actually, as I'd tried to indicate in my article, I'd been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work). Ironically enough, the overwhelming majority of my funding occurred during that earlier period, which is also when I'd also been full owner, before converting it into a non-profit in (largely forlorn) hopes of attracting other major donors.

    But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue.
     
    Frankly, the total operating budget of The Review is so small by comparison, I can't see why I wouldn't continue it almost indefinitely, especially now that I may now finally---finally!---be able to start writing once again. Anyway, I'm certainly quite pleased with how it's been doing.

    Ron,

    Thanks for providing us with The Review. I hope you can “continue it almost indefinitely.”

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  91. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @anon
    Everything happened for a reason. Ron Unz was fired from TAC because the world needs a website like Unz Review, which is without a doubt the best website I've come across on the web today, a place where free speech is truly honored and respected, what a breath of fresh air, and so sorely needed.

    UR's greatest strength, aside from being a place for alternative, non-mainstream viewpoints, is that it has a well designed comments section that does not practice any form of censorship, and let people police themselves (except for Steve Sailer's columns, I wish he would stop censoring comments).

    Too many websites either censor reader comments heavily (NYT, Breitbart, TAC), or uses lousy technology that makes it hard to view comments (Breitbart, any site with Disqus). The Economist used to have a robust reader comments section with some great commenters, then they "redesigned" the website and buried the comments, now they've removed it altogether. People like to be able to respond to what they read, too many liberal as well as neocon websites refuse to allow anyone else an opinion. The left and neocons have that in common, both are totalitarians. Only liars are afraid of readers' comments.

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website. UR is now my go to website everyday, replacing first NYT then Breitbart. The only thing that could make this website even better is a "thumbs up" feature for every article and reader comment.

    “Everything happened for a reason. ” Yes, we live in the best of all possible worlds.

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    Not to be mistaken - Ron's treatment by TAC was certainly unjust. I just don't care for the pollyanna-ish perspective in the face of adversity. That said, I also am thankful to Ron for this site and all it offers. I think he truly cares about truth and justice and feels we can at least approach that, if only in discussion, through an exchange of intelligent, independent, diverse opinions. I am not a big believer in the supernatural, but if there is a God, Ron is on the good side.
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  92. “In early 2011 we were contacted by Wick Allison, who introduced himself as the successful semi-retired publisher of D Magazine, billing itself as Dallas’ leading local guide to restaurants and nightlife. Allison had worked at National Review a quarter-century earlier and TAC was brought to his attention by his daughter, a recent college graduate then working as an intern at The New Republic.”

    Wow, sorry, Ron, but there were so many tactical indicators of troubles to come in this snippet. It’s a shame you were so hands-off, because this was the point that needed a real but less conflicted activist.

    I worked in a video production whose principal owner had grown weary of being the principal salesperson, so he turned to an “angel” who would also be its biggest “elephant hunter.” Turns out the sales guy was a wanna-be video producer who brought in a slew of friends and family to crank out the product he sold to the one and only “elephant” client whom, it turned out, gave him the business because he kicked back one-third of the billings. It took us a year to fire and sue the guy out of the business, and another year to get rid of the overpaid camp followers he had injected into the business. It was almost fatal, but we made it to buyout.

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    Wow, sorry, Ron, but there were so many tactical indicators of troubles to come in this snippet. It’s a shame you were so hands-off, because this was the point that needed a real but less conflicted activist.
     
    I should emphasize that I only became aware of the "very bad ongoing business practices" only shortly between my removal, and the two developments were closely connected.

    And in strong defense of bringing Allison on board, Kara Hopkins had left and the publication was very close to shutting down, so all of us thought to ourselves, "Either he saves it or he doesn't." No one else was even remotely interested in playing such a role.

    Since at that point, I was very busy with my work and had written maybe three TAC articles in five years, and had only visited the office a couple of times, with no future expectation of anything different, I assumed the magazine would probably come to an end. Also, with Obama in the White House, we all expected the likelihood of another disastrous Middle Eastern war to be much, much lower, making its survival much less essential.
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  93. @Israel Shamir

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website.
     
    Indeed we all gained from this fallout.
    It was interesting to read about Ron Unz's evolution; now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans' preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans. It would be good if you'd get Justin Raimondo on board. Now Unz Review is probably more read than Antiwar. Good that Diana Johnstone is with us. And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
    The present format of just two pieces on the top is also good. Julian Assange told me that Counterpunch's main problem was that they published too much of crap.

    ” . . . now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race . . .”

    it’s not hard. we set up an entire system based on skin color and why one was better than the other – so much so we condoned, and embraced slavery which launched a major economic boon North and south from free labor and the trade and sale of human beings — “property”.

    given our fundamental philosophy for a revolution, the very idea of slavery severed its claims. That level of hypocrisy was bound to catch up with is sooner or later and when it came to logger heads, quite by accident, the country killed 1 million of its own to resolve whether one could voluntarily or by force leave the union. Winners set blacks free. But failed to ensure their rights as citizens and the mess has played itself out in various forms — it is our original sin that we refuse to put to sleep.

    What it would take send us reeling into recriminations the evils of diversity be wish we really mean —-

    can no one rid us these damnable blacks — their mere presence problematic — having to face that original sin day out and day in — with all of its tentacles stretching across and inside the very american dream we set to bestow upon ourselves.

    What the apostle paul calls — ” . . . a thorn in the flesh.”

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    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

    , @EliteCommInc.
    Maybe blacks should be grateful. But they are entitled to every single consideration as citizens whose ancestors built the country, fought and died for it as indicated in the constitution and or by the grace of god however one chooses to see it.


    but they need not be anymore grateful than any other citizen.

    After all in the land of "all men are created equal" which essentially means treated equally as to the law --- then by law and philosophy under which the country was founded and in which their participation was in full free and slave --


    Anything that artificially hinders as much violates the promise in every way. High IQ or not.

    One's gratefulness does not dismiss the promise as citizen.

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  94. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @The Scalpel
    "Everything happened for a reason. " Yes, we live in the best of all possible worlds.

    Not to be mistaken – Ron’s treatment by TAC was certainly unjust. I just don’t care for the pollyanna-ish perspective in the face of adversity. That said, I also am thankful to Ron for this site and all it offers. I think he truly cares about truth and justice and feels we can at least approach that, if only in discussion, through an exchange of intelligent, independent, diverse opinions. I am not a big believer in the supernatural, but if there is a God, Ron is on the good side.

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  95. Ron Unz says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Actually, as I’d tried to indicate in my article, I’d been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work).
     
    I read it in entirety and then all the comments before I posted so the mistake is mine I’m certain, plus I’d actually have a bit more admiration if it was done primarily so you could inject your own reasoned opinions (as well as hate facts) into the public discourse.

    I can’t see why I wouldn’t continue it almost indefinitely
     
    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz although I can see Unz.org being maintained (after being scrubbed of non-PC material) as you said indefinitely. In any case, the question itself is probably inappropriate as is my next one..

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding? Have you ever chatted with any of the guys who think different and have Monopoly money to play with (eg Thiel, Paul Allen) about ways to reach a larger audience? Finding Unz.com isn’t like finding FaceBook - but are FaceBook users on average able to glean any wisdom here or is this all beyond them? Put another way, currently Unz.com is a bit of a highbrow site with an outsized influence. Yet much of what you yourself have written could and should be known by Joe Sixpack despite his difficulties following along. An UnzForDummies.com might distill a 20,000 word series on media confabulation and prevarication into something digestible yet more substantial than “fake news.” Or it might translate James Thompson or Razib Khan into high school freshman-ese (eg “dna is confirming what our lying eyes have been telling us for 10,000 years...”). The videos you’ve added I think are a big step toward this, but only if people like our pal Joe can find them.

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz

    Well, I’m really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?

    Well, it’s difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn’t really work out so well.

    Anyway, it’s not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I’m not sure they’d get along that well.

    One thing I’ve learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there’s only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

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    One thing I’ve learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there’s only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but your one political success (English immersion) has been, or is, being reversed. That said, do you have a political strategy for the UR?

    , @Miro23

    Well, I’m really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.
     
    Hopefully, as much as possible of the "discontinuity" will be restricted to the US. In an ideal world the US would close its bases, stop all the "regime change" activities, print a US dollar that corresponds to the US economy and basically mind its own business.

    Too much to hope for, I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without "Empire", foreign bases, "regime change" , a "reserve currency" or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.
    , @Haxo Angmark
    many of Anglin's essays on this-n-that are hilarious.

    and unz.com could use some some comic relief from time to time.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Anyway, it’s not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding.
     
    I have had several people asking me if you would be interested in organizing a conference, of the sort that Amren organizes (and which the National Policy Institute used to organize, though I'm not sure they are in a position to do any more of them).

    I have limited experience with organizing conferences myself, but from what I know of the transhumanist conference organized by Hank Pellissier, they're not that expensive - sometimes even break even, when ticket sales are successful. In principle I think an Unz.com conference could be successful, especially if the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak. Maybe institutions with experience with this e.g. Amren or VDARE will even agree to cooperate.

    Of course there's no point in doing that if you're not interested yourself, and/or if you think the media attention it will be sure to draw is undesirable. As I recall, the last VDARE conference had to be canceled due to SJWs. And we know that the London Conference on Intelligence had to be moved to Denmark this year. So political considerations are also a factor.
    , @Anonymous

    Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.
     
    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?

    Say what you will about his other beliefs, but Professor Bryan Caplan, your old debate opponent, has a very interesting practice of making bets on ideas with people he disagrees with, in the tradition of the Paul Ehrlich/Julian Simon bet about resource prices. This ferrets out genuine belief from unfounded speculation.

    So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?

    I really dislike this kind of "just you wait!" doomsaying, because it can never be proven wrong---the postulated collapse is always just around the next corner, never mind all the previous times that the collapse didn't happen.
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  96. Ron Unz says:
    @The Alarmist

    "In early 2011 we were contacted by Wick Allison, who introduced himself as the successful semi-retired publisher of D Magazine, billing itself as Dallas’ leading local guide to restaurants and nightlife. Allison had worked at National Review a quarter-century earlier and TAC was brought to his attention by his daughter, a recent college graduate then working as an intern at The New Republic."
     
    Wow, sorry, Ron, but there were so many tactical indicators of troubles to come in this snippet. It's a shame you were so hands-off, because this was the point that needed a real but less conflicted activist.

    I worked in a video production whose principal owner had grown weary of being the principal salesperson, so he turned to an "angel" who would also be its biggest "elephant hunter." Turns out the sales guy was a wanna-be video producer who brought in a slew of friends and family to crank out the product he sold to the one and only "elephant" client whom, it turned out, gave him the business because he kicked back one-third of the billings. It took us a year to fire and sue the guy out of the business, and another year to get rid of the overpaid camp followers he had injected into the business. It was almost fatal, but we made it to buyout.

    Wow, sorry, Ron, but there were so many tactical indicators of troubles to come in this snippet. It’s a shame you were so hands-off, because this was the point that needed a real but less conflicted activist.

    I should emphasize that I only became aware of the “very bad ongoing business practices” only shortly between my removal, and the two developments were closely connected.

    And in strong defense of bringing Allison on board, Kara Hopkins had left and the publication was very close to shutting down, so all of us thought to ourselves, “Either he saves it or he doesn’t.” No one else was even remotely interested in playing such a role.

    Since at that point, I was very busy with my work and had written maybe three TAC articles in five years, and had only visited the office a couple of times, with no future expectation of anything different, I assumed the magazine would probably come to an end. Also, with Obama in the White House, we all expected the likelihood of another disastrous Middle Eastern war to be much, much lower, making its survival much less essential.

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  97. iffen says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz
     
    Well, I'm really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there's a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) "discontinuity" of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?
     
    Well, it's difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn't really work out so well.

    Anyway, it's not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I'm not sure they'd get along that well.

    One thing I've learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there's only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    One thing I’ve learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there’s only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but your one political success (English immersion) has been, or is, being reversed. That said, do you have a political strategy for the UR?

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  98. Dan Hayes says:
    @Bill P
    If I recall correctly, I stopped reading TAC over ten years ago when it became bland and indistinguishable from other "conservative" mags.

    Today, the only conservative magazine I bother to read is the New Criterion, which has some pretty good articles on a regular basis. I came to Unz because I've been a devoted iSteve reader for 20 years now. Steve has done much of the heavy lifting here.

    Unz Review differs from TAC in that it has actually improved over time. Shows the value of a more hands off approach as well as intellectual independence. I'd guess that there are no staff meetings at Unz. Staff meetings are poisonous to creativity and independent thought. I'll bet TAC had a lot of those, especially after it started hiring intern types.

    Bill P:

    Regarding any staff meetings at UR: I suspect that UR’s total staff consists of its proprietor Ron.

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    Much better that way, isn't it?

    If you have to hire staff, get a janitor - he'd probably be the only one worth the money. These days it's all about counterproductive meetings, feelz, preening, flirting and social games in the workplace.

    No doubt in my mind this kind of culture contributed to the decline of TAC. The trend of rich guys sticking their daughters in these jobs has contributed greatly to this problem.

    Yes, I think Ivanka is currently exhibit A.
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  99. Hey Unz…. So you live and learn…there’s nothing “conservative” about shoveling good money after bad.

    First and foremost is financial accountability, and regardless whether a non-profit or LLC, those employees of yours should have been a little more circumspect.

    Thanks for this great little webzine and the posting hardware that enables editing, numbered posts, e-mail replies & etc..

    PS

    This forum is proof- positive of your independent mindset by allowing all manner of intelligent (sometimes, lol ) discourse.

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  100. S. Verdad says:

    Great article. I was a “charter” subscriber to TAC and loved it in the beginning. After it went soft on immigration (which I had incorrectly believed was your doing, my apologies), I cancelled my subscription, and have not visited its site in years. Thanks for your efforts and the best of luck to you and your family.

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  101. Eagle Eye says:
    @renfro
    Consider yourself well rid of TAC.
    Its nothing anymore.

    Thanks, Mr. Unz. for a detailed look at the inner workings of the “conservative” publishing ecosystem.

    As other commenters have noted, the world is better off with Ron Unz liberated from the strictures of an organization such as TAC.

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    As other commenters have noted, the world is better off with Ron Unz liberated from the strictures of an organization such as TAC.
     
    Unz unbound!
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  102. DFH says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    " . . . now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race . . ."


    it's not hard. we set up an entire system based on skin color and why one was better than the other - so much so we condoned, and embraced slavery which launched a major economic boon North and south from free labor and the trade and sale of human beings -- "property".

    given our fundamental philosophy for a revolution, the very idea of slavery severed its claims. That level of hypocrisy was bound to catch up with is sooner or later and when it came to logger heads, quite by accident, the country killed 1 million of its own to resolve whether one could voluntarily or by force leave the union. Winners set blacks free. But failed to ensure their rights as citizens and the mess has played itself out in various forms --- it is our original sin that we refuse to put to sleep.

    What it would take send us reeling into recriminations the evils of diversity be wish we really mean ----

    can no one rid us these damnable blacks -- their mere presence problematic -- having to face that original sin day out and day in --- with all of its tentacles stretching across and inside the very american dream we set to bestow upon ourselves.


    What the apostle paul calls -- " . . . a thorn in the flesh."

    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

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    excuse me this was intended in response to you --

    Maybe blacks should be grateful. But they are entitled to every single consideration as citizens whose ancestors built the country, fought and died for it as indicated in the constitution and or by the grace of god however one chooses to see it.

    but they need not be anymore grateful than any other citizen.

    After all in the land of “all men are created equal” which essentially means treated equally as to the law — then by law and philosophy under which the country was founded and in which their participation was in full free and slave –

    Anything that artificially hinders as much violates the promise in every way. High IQ or not.

    One’s gratefulness does not dismiss the promise as citizen.
    , @Anon
    So blacks have a legitimate grievance against the British for their anti-slavery efforts?
    , @jacques sheete

    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

     

    Oh goody!

    For sure "we" didn't have King Leopold and his agents running around chopping off people's hands by the millions in order to "encourage" them to gather more latex, and we didn't have Mussolini to spray phosgene by aircraft over large areas of Ethiopia to satisfy his imperialistic lusts, and they didn't have to suffer the Brit concentration camps in Kenya in the 1950s, but...
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  103. Very interesting article, Ron. I continue to like much (not all) of what TAC is doing, but I’m glad that UnzReview has freed you to publish some more controversial material. I’m particularly glad for the American Pravda series – I’ve shown some of the articles to intelligent people I know who wouldn’t reject them out of hand immediately, and the articles have made a big impression on them. The sustained, intelligent media critiques that UnzReview runs are vitally important in this day of weaponized news.

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  104. TAC’s advocacy of the case for noninterventionism

    If TAC was serious about advocating for a noninterventionist foreign policy, they would have concentrated on trying to convert the Republican base (red state White Evangelicals) to that point of view.

    Instead, they consistently sneer and snipe at that demographic, while studiously refraining from criticizing any other group as a group.

    In other words, the folks at TAC are more interested in being good little politically correct boys and girls and getting a pat on the head from the Hillary Clinton supporting establishment, than they are in changing the Republican foreign policy platform (and thus US foreign policy).

    As a direct result, the Republican base gravitates towards outlets and personalities which notably do not support a noninterventionist foreign policy – Breitbart, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, President Trump.

    These outlets and personalities might not be sincere advocates for the ethnic, religious, and economic interests of the Republican base, but at least they go to the trouble of plausibly presenting themselves as such – and as a direct result, they keep the Republican base supporting the neocon foreign policy.

    The people who deserve credit for drawing a portion of the Republican base away from neocon foreign policy are the scrappy fighters who, in stark contrast to the folks at TAC, aren’t afraid of being called “racist”, “sexist”, “homophobic” etc., people who sincerely advocate for the interests of the Republican base – Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter, and the various lesser-known nationalist and conservative intellectuals featured at The Unz Review, VDARE, Chronicles Magazine etc.

    Frankly, I think the folks at TAC actually prefer for the Republican base to be supporters of neocon foreign policy. It gives them an excuse to disdain flyover country, and thus curry favor with the liberal establishment.

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  105. Miro23 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz
     
    Well, I'm really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there's a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) "discontinuity" of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?
     
    Well, it's difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn't really work out so well.

    Anyway, it's not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I'm not sure they'd get along that well.

    One thing I've learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there's only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    Well, I’m really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Hopefully, as much as possible of the “discontinuity” will be restricted to the US. In an ideal world the US would close its bases, stop all the “regime change” activities, print a US dollar that corresponds to the US economy and basically mind its own business.

    Too much to hope for, I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without “Empire”, foreign bases, “regime change” , a “reserve currency” or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.

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    I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without “Empire”, foreign bases, “regime change” , a “reserve currency” or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.
     
    They're biding their time.

    First, they overtook the US in industrial output. Now their "defense" spending is growing exponentially. as they race for AI military superiority over US, and overall military superiority. You may yet come to look back whistfully on Trump's quest to make America great again.

    , @RadicalCenter
    See your point, but the Chinese certainly ARE throwing their weight around the waters near the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries. They are building and will have more and more serious military bases with landing strips on the islands, natural and artificial, throughout those waters.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Based on the UNCLOS agreements --- the assessment about Empire and how the operate chinese operate is premature
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  106. ThomasJ says:

    A fascinating behind-the-scenes account. Thanks.

    I was a charter (founding) TAC subscriber in 2002, delighted at TAC’s 11th hour appearance opposing the 2nd mendacious military adventure in Iraq. Over the years I had mixed reactions to some of the content in TAC, but in general I gave the magazine high marks for mixing it up and keeping it interesting. After all, unconventional points of view are grossly lacking in most media outlets. But TAC’s recent firing of Philp Giraldi, following on the heels of Rod Dreher’s sanctimonious and destructive attack on TAC co-founder Pat Buchanan, both indicated that creepy, censorious, and dishonest forces must now be pulling the strings, if not outright running the show at TAC. Thus ended my fifteen years as a TAC subscriber.

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  107. @EliteCommInc.
    " . . . now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race . . ."


    it's not hard. we set up an entire system based on skin color and why one was better than the other - so much so we condoned, and embraced slavery which launched a major economic boon North and south from free labor and the trade and sale of human beings -- "property".

    given our fundamental philosophy for a revolution, the very idea of slavery severed its claims. That level of hypocrisy was bound to catch up with is sooner or later and when it came to logger heads, quite by accident, the country killed 1 million of its own to resolve whether one could voluntarily or by force leave the union. Winners set blacks free. But failed to ensure their rights as citizens and the mess has played itself out in various forms --- it is our original sin that we refuse to put to sleep.

    What it would take send us reeling into recriminations the evils of diversity be wish we really mean ----

    can no one rid us these damnable blacks -- their mere presence problematic -- having to face that original sin day out and day in --- with all of its tentacles stretching across and inside the very american dream we set to bestow upon ourselves.


    What the apostle paul calls -- " . . . a thorn in the flesh."

    Maybe blacks should be grateful. But they are entitled to every single consideration as citizens whose ancestors built the country, fought and died for it as indicated in the constitution and or by the grace of god however one chooses to see it.

    but they need not be anymore grateful than any other citizen.

    After all in the land of “all men are created equal” which essentially means treated equally as to the law — then by law and philosophy under which the country was founded and in which their participation was in full free and slave –

    Anything that artificially hinders as much violates the promise in every way. High IQ or not.

    One’s gratefulness does not dismiss the promise as citizen.

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  108. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: “Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn’t take “no” for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with.”

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it’s easy to believe the latter claim.
     

    Ha, ha, ha---people really shouldn't believe everything they read in the media, certainly including NR, especially if based on hostile "anonymous sources."

    As I indicated in my own articles, during my entire 100% ownership of TAC, which lasted the first five years, my operating involvement was totally negligible (except for providing virtually all the funding). I never visited the offices, almost never wrote for the publication, and barely even glanced at the issues I received in the mail. Basically, every Monday I'd have a 5m phone call with the Editor, consisting of my asking how things were going---and that was it. Remember, I was *extremely* busy with my own work.

    And this almost exactly continued the last year or two, except that I was writing articles for the publication. If you've never once met or spoken with almost the entire editorial staff, it's hard to say you're "interfering." The sole exception was the last couple of months when I became very worried about the financial situation and tried to save TAC from shutting down.

    Perhaps you should check with Steve Sailer or Anatoly Karlin about just how frequently I speak with them or second-guess their own blogging topics.

    In hindsight I'd freely admit that my almost total non-involvement with the publication was probably a serious mistake, since it surely prepared the ground for the "coup" against me. But virtually all the other Board members were just as uninvolved---several of them didn't even remember they were on the Board.

    The accusations of my alleged TAC interference were so totally ludicrous that a couple of people who knew the situation reasonably well afterward told me they've never previously realized that "XYZ" was such an utterly pathological liar.


    Otherwise, I'd very much like to thank so many of the other commenters for their extremely kind words, and I'm sorry I can't respond to them individually.

    Thanks for following up, Ron. FWIW, I did not blindly believe NR, just had reasonable doubts about both sides of the story.

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  109. Though for their 15th Anniversary they gave Mr Unz high praise for everything he did. I cannot recall a single article of rancor. I appreciate both sites — especially their tolerance for my writing –

    I recall giving Mr Unz a hard time on some articles, but I don’t recall any rancor between he or other staff writers. This all news to me.

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  110. @manorchurch

    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement.
     
    The notion that up-votes confer quality to comments is amusing, isn't it? After all, everybody likes it -- must be the bestest example of high-quality thinking on the face of Earth.

    If Galileo had posted "But it moves!" on a Kathlick website of the 17th century, he'd would have been burned at the stake.

    And just think of the up-votes Innocent III would get.

    I take it they are blocking P addresses outside the catholic sphere of influence.

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  111. @Ron Unz

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz
     
    Well, I'm really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there's a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) "discontinuity" of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?
     
    Well, it's difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn't really work out so well.

    Anyway, it's not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I'm not sure they'd get along that well.

    One thing I've learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there's only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    many of Anglin’s essays on this-n-that are hilarious.

    and unz.com could use some some comic relief from time to time.

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    u j/k, but Daily Stormer does have Roy Batty, who also used to be Vincent Law at AltRight.com, who is a very entertaining and witty writer.

    Also very realistic about Russia, having moved back there as well.

    Anglin himself would be "problematic" as the SJWs say. He's hilarious, and very talented - even Greasy William calls him a genius. But UR will lose any last vestiges of "handshakeworthiness" it might still have, and will test even open-minded moderates' tolerance for dissent to the brink. He also has his own, very profitable and successful gig going on, so I don't know if he'd even be interested.

    Come to think of it, the collapse of the AR has left quite a few writers in the doldrums.

    Guillaume Durocher - One of the AR's few genuine intellectuals, deeply read in European history and the Greek classics.

    Gregory Hood - Also a brilliant writer, and I think he no longer has any platform at all.
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  112. Thank God for places like Unz that still allow free speech and truth. I come for the comments, not many places around where you can say Jew or holocaust and not get censored or banned. Sad! The truth will set you free!

    Your’re an American hero Unz. Appreciate it.

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  113. @DFH
    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

    excuse me this was intended in response to you –

    Maybe blacks should be grateful. But they are entitled to every single consideration as citizens whose ancestors built the country, fought and died for it as indicated in the constitution and or by the grace of god however one chooses to see it.

    but they need not be anymore grateful than any other citizen.

    After all in the land of “all men are created equal” which essentially means treated equally as to the law — then by law and philosophy under which the country was founded and in which their participation was in full free and slave –

    Anything that artificially hinders as much violates the promise in every way. High IQ or not.

    One’s gratefulness does not dismiss the promise as citizen.

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  114. Bill P says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Bill P:

    Regarding any staff meetings at UR: I suspect that UR's total staff consists of its proprietor Ron.

    Much better that way, isn’t it?

    If you have to hire staff, get a janitor – he’d probably be the only one worth the money. These days it’s all about counterproductive meetings, feelz, preening, flirting and social games in the workplace.

    No doubt in my mind this kind of culture contributed to the decline of TAC. The trend of rich guys sticking their daughters in these jobs has contributed greatly to this problem.

    Yes, I think Ivanka is currently exhibit A.

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    Ivanka doesn’t really have a job. She’s just a sort of personal advisor free floating representative. She’d be a personal advisor even if she had no official position at all.

    She can’t really harm anything because her job description is so vague and nebulous.

    Wives of Madison, Harding FDR and Clinton now, had no official position but had immense power for better or worse.
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  115. JackOH says:
    @gsjackson
    Agreed. I was one in the '80s, and like to think that my "career" stalled because the overlords, or more precisely minsters of propaganda in service to the overlords, saw in me limited potential as a useful idiot.

    Yeah. I recall reading an article, possibly NYT, about a young Ph. D. in political science whose writing attracted the attention of a possible employer. Government, think tank, can’t really recall. During the course of meeting with the employer’s rep, the Ph. D. sensed he was being “turned”. I recall little detail.

    In a nutshell, the employer didn’t give a hoot about the substance of what the young Ph. D. had to say. He, the employer, just wanted a bright guy who could crank out slick policy papers on demand. In other words–a hack, an automaton. The Ph. D. chucked it and took work as a motorcycle mechanic.

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  116. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buddy Ray
    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement. The replies to the comments should be collapsible. How can a man so smart not get a comment section right? This comment should be near the top so we, the people of Unz, can inform you of how bad the comment section is. You want to make The UnZ ReVi3w a happening place? Fix the comment section.

    There’s nothing wrong with the comment section no need to change it

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  117. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Miro23

    Well, I’m really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.
     
    Hopefully, as much as possible of the "discontinuity" will be restricted to the US. In an ideal world the US would close its bases, stop all the "regime change" activities, print a US dollar that corresponds to the US economy and basically mind its own business.

    Too much to hope for, I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without "Empire", foreign bases, "regime change" , a "reserve currency" or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.

    I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without “Empire”, foreign bases, “regime change” , a “reserve currency” or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.

    They’re biding their time.

    First, they overtook the US in industrial output. Now their “defense” spending is growing exponentially. as they race for AI military superiority over US, and overall military superiority. You may yet come to look back whistfully on Trump’s quest to make America great again.

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    China has no interest in conquering another country. They have enough trouble governing 1.3 BILLION people. Their military is for self defense only. They remember their "century of humiliation" and being "the sick man of Asia". Only neocons are looking at their rise as a threat to America. Neocons look at everybody who isn't Israel as a threat to America.

    China needs America to stay rich and powerful, we are their biggest customer. They are not as dumb or crazy as the neocons who just want war with everybody who isn't Israel. These are the same people who discovered Africa but only wanted to trade and then go home. All we need to do is make sure they go home. There are too many damn Chinese nationals in the US, they're invading us without ever launching a single missile.

    , @Bill jones
    Please seek medical advice.
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  118. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Actually, as I’d tried to indicate in my article, I’d been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work).
     
    I read it in entirety and then all the comments before I posted so the mistake is mine I’m certain, plus I’d actually have a bit more admiration if it was done primarily so you could inject your own reasoned opinions (as well as hate facts) into the public discourse.

    I can’t see why I wouldn’t continue it almost indefinitely
     
    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz although I can see Unz.org being maintained (after being scrubbed of non-PC material) as you said indefinitely. In any case, the question itself is probably inappropriate as is my next one..

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding? Have you ever chatted with any of the guys who think different and have Monopoly money to play with (eg Thiel, Paul Allen) about ways to reach a larger audience? Finding Unz.com isn’t like finding FaceBook - but are FaceBook users on average able to glean any wisdom here or is this all beyond them? Put another way, currently Unz.com is a bit of a highbrow site with an outsized influence. Yet much of what you yourself have written could and should be known by Joe Sixpack despite his difficulties following along. An UnzForDummies.com might distill a 20,000 word series on media confabulation and prevarication into something digestible yet more substantial than “fake news.” Or it might translate James Thompson or Razib Khan into high school freshman-ese (eg “dna is confirming what our lying eyes have been telling us for 10,000 years...”). The videos you’ve added I think are a big step toward this, but only if people like our pal Joe can find them.

    Don’t be such a snob. Anyone can read the articles and comments. One way to increase readership would to put links in other like minded websites.
    For instance I found amren in the list of links on vdare

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  119. Good for you on unz.com, Ron. Without denigrating the value of TAC, you’ve better fulfilled your own mission here!

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    Without denigrating the value of TAC,
     
    TAC doesn't need anyone to denigrate it, since it has done an impressive job of denigrating itself, and all the sniveling hacks who remain there.

    From Mr. Unz's article:

    Ideological organizations and publications often confront this exact dilemma. They can remain small, poor, and fiercely independent or they can take the path of growing in size and expense, hoping for greater impact and influence, but usually forcing them to make their peace with the wealthy sources of establishmentarian funding. My own opinion was that since American political journalism already contained such a vast number of different media outlets in the latter category, TAC should avoid merely becoming another one, but I can understand why others might see things differently.
     
    I believe what Mr. Unz is suggesting here is that the spiritually weak, intellectual jellyfish at TAC were 'turned out'. Which in the vernacular of urban slang, means that they willingly accommodated themselves and their opinions to their 'owners', offering up their minds as open vessels for the agendas of their patrons, and thereby TAC became the 'bitch' of the donors who demanded intellectual yielding. Just like any whore who becomes pliant for a price. With the notable exception that a crack whore only sells her body, whereas the cowering worms at TAC sold their very souls.

    More here:

    Like many pundits, Dreher paid no price for being spectacularly wrong about Iraq, because he knows how to play the game, a game that encourages both calculation (including calculated attacks on those to one’s right) and adherence to the ever-expanding rules of political correctness. I think we’d be better off changing the rules of the game to encourage frankness and courage.
     
    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/rod-dreher-and-the-politics-of-betrayal/

    whether you're a wiling dumpster for bodily fluids or shekels matters not, when you've denigrated yourself so unctuously.

    http://www.regulation-london.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/large/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/2/22__90205.1378555529.1280.1280.jpg

    I'd like to think that the folks over at TAC might stumble upon this thread, and take a nice look at that photo there, because that is how many, many people, (who have not sold their dignity to the devil) will see TAC from now on.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I had no idea just how disappointed you are with TAC.


    maybe i missed something.


    apparently a lot. No i don't get the release of Dr. Giraldi . . .

    maybe i am more naive than I think.

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  120. renfro says:
    @MEH 0910
    Rod Dreher put Eisenhower's reply in a post:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/duty-and-dishonor-the-south-trump/

    Rod Dreher put Eisenhower’s reply in a post:

    Interesting……Dreher quotes the Ike letter on August 25 2017…….after I had quoted it on August 19 2017 and had it deleted twice.

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  121. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Stan d Mute

    Actually, as I’d tried to indicate in my article, I’d been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work).
     
    I read it in entirety and then all the comments before I posted so the mistake is mine I’m certain, plus I’d actually have a bit more admiration if it was done primarily so you could inject your own reasoned opinions (as well as hate facts) into the public discourse.

    I can’t see why I wouldn’t continue it almost indefinitely
     
    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz although I can see Unz.org being maintained (after being scrubbed of non-PC material) as you said indefinitely. In any case, the question itself is probably inappropriate as is my next one..

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding? Have you ever chatted with any of the guys who think different and have Monopoly money to play with (eg Thiel, Paul Allen) about ways to reach a larger audience? Finding Unz.com isn’t like finding FaceBook - but are FaceBook users on average able to glean any wisdom here or is this all beyond them? Put another way, currently Unz.com is a bit of a highbrow site with an outsized influence. Yet much of what you yourself have written could and should be known by Joe Sixpack despite his difficulties following along. An UnzForDummies.com might distill a 20,000 word series on media confabulation and prevarication into something digestible yet more substantial than “fake news.” Or it might translate James Thompson or Razib Khan into high school freshman-ese (eg “dna is confirming what our lying eyes have been telling us for 10,000 years...”). The videos you’ve added I think are a big step toward this, but only if people like our pal Joe can find them.

    Or it might translate James Thompson … into high school freshman-ese

    For those unable to recognize BS in its native state, such translation might be enlightening.

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  122. While I agree with SteveM ” The larger point is that … contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus… because the “in cahoots”crowd ..controls the message and consequently the mindsets of [the mass audience]. [Because t]he ..[mainstream].. propaganda engines ….. deny contrarian discussions… contrarian space has been classed as “entertainment”..

    While your statement set is well formed, it fails to capture the main point: standard journalism cannot swim upstream against the good ship MSM in the propaganda sea. What is needed is a stealth equipped anti-propaganda weapon..? An expression or a mind set that acts as a reflector, a repellent, or something able to capture, absorb, process and redirect or re-purpose the propaganda message in ways that act to destroy the MSM propaganda.

    NK responded to Trump’s bigger button, with…? thanks for the mention I needed your help to reach my audience.

    What turned the American audience around in the Viet Nam war was a single picture, that appeared in Life Magazine, which showed a viet Nam Government policeman, shooting an unarmed, so called viet cong person in the head at point blank range.

    After that picture appeared, anything the war mongers said, actually bommeranged to destory any form of MSM propaganda.. The MSM had a choice, face an American internal revolution or end the war.

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  123. Bernie says:

    My views on TAC are similar. I subscribed early on and then let it lapse. It grew steadily more left wing on race so as to be downright PC and anti white. The nadir was The Southern Avenger lecturing us on how bad blacks and gays have it. Look, if someone wants leftist boilerplate there are thousands of outlets out there. Why do we need 1001?

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  124. My opinion on America’s primordial racial melting-pot soup has not changed in decades, either.

    No sign of intelligent life.

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  125. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I just read an article on TAC about the constitution. It’s totally ignorant that the judiciary and its rulings on court cases makes constitutional law.
    Second, it’s the most mawkish drivel about the constitution I’ve ever read.

    The author knows no more about constitutional law than a new born baby does

    Then there was an article about White privileged by a White feminazi upset that some black feminazis yell about White privilege at the coven gatherings

    It was the standard feminazi nonsensical incoherent gibberish.

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  126. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Much better that way, isn't it?

    If you have to hire staff, get a janitor - he'd probably be the only one worth the money. These days it's all about counterproductive meetings, feelz, preening, flirting and social games in the workplace.

    No doubt in my mind this kind of culture contributed to the decline of TAC. The trend of rich guys sticking their daughters in these jobs has contributed greatly to this problem.

    Yes, I think Ivanka is currently exhibit A.

    Ivanka doesn’t really have a job. She’s just a sort of personal advisor free floating representative. She’d be a personal advisor even if she had no official position at all.

    She can’t really harm anything because her job description is so vague and nebulous.

    Wives of Madison, Harding FDR and Clinton now, had no official position but had immense power for better or worse.

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  127. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without “Empire”, foreign bases, “regime change” , a “reserve currency” or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.
     
    They're biding their time.

    First, they overtook the US in industrial output. Now their "defense" spending is growing exponentially. as they race for AI military superiority over US, and overall military superiority. You may yet come to look back whistfully on Trump's quest to make America great again.

    China has no interest in conquering another country. They have enough trouble governing 1.3 BILLION people. Their military is for self defense only. They remember their “century of humiliation” and being “the sick man of Asia”. Only neocons are looking at their rise as a threat to America. Neocons look at everybody who isn’t Israel as a threat to America.

    China needs America to stay rich and powerful, we are their biggest customer. They are not as dumb or crazy as the neocons who just want war with everybody who isn’t Israel. These are the same people who discovered Africa but only wanted to trade and then go home. All we need to do is make sure they go home. There are too many damn Chinese nationals in the US, they’re invading us without ever launching a single missile.

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    China has no interest in conquering another country. They have enough trouble governing 1.3 BILLION people.
     
    You mean they are busy suppressing the Caucasoid people of Xinjiang, formerly the Second East Turkestan Republic which was illegally incorporated into the People's Republic of China in 1949, while dealing with the resistance in occupied Tibet, although that has not prevented them from occupying and militarizing islands in the South China Sea.

    No, your facile assurances about Communist China's peaceful propensity are totally at odds with the reality of both their past behavior and their future militarist intentions as reflected in an exponentially growing military budget.

    The world now, as always, is ruled by force. Currently, the US has means to exert more force than anyone else, but the Chinese clearly intent to change that.

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  128. @Ron Unz

    I vaguely remember some write up in NR that went like this: “Ron used TAC to promote himself, constantly interfered with editorial decisions, wouldn’t take “no” for an answer and in general is a pain in the ass to work with.”

    From your former online persona and some of your comments regarding unz.com, it’s easy to believe the latter claim.
     

    Ha, ha, ha---people really shouldn't believe everything they read in the media, certainly including NR, especially if based on hostile "anonymous sources."

    As I indicated in my own articles, during my entire 100% ownership of TAC, which lasted the first five years, my operating involvement was totally negligible (except for providing virtually all the funding). I never visited the offices, almost never wrote for the publication, and barely even glanced at the issues I received in the mail. Basically, every Monday I'd have a 5m phone call with the Editor, consisting of my asking how things were going---and that was it. Remember, I was *extremely* busy with my own work.

    And this almost exactly continued the last year or two, except that I was writing articles for the publication. If you've never once met or spoken with almost the entire editorial staff, it's hard to say you're "interfering." The sole exception was the last couple of months when I became very worried about the financial situation and tried to save TAC from shutting down.

    Perhaps you should check with Steve Sailer or Anatoly Karlin about just how frequently I speak with them or second-guess their own blogging topics.

    In hindsight I'd freely admit that my almost total non-involvement with the publication was probably a serious mistake, since it surely prepared the ground for the "coup" against me. But virtually all the other Board members were just as uninvolved---several of them didn't even remember they were on the Board.

    The accusations of my alleged TAC interference were so totally ludicrous that a couple of people who knew the situation reasonably well afterward told me they've never previously realized that "XYZ" was such an utterly pathological liar.


    Otherwise, I'd very much like to thank so many of the other commenters for their extremely kind words, and I'm sorry I can't respond to them individually.

    Perhaps you should check with Steve Sailer or Anatoly Karlin about just how frequently I speak with them or second-guess their own blogging topics.

    1. Rarely.

    2. Can’t recall a single incidence of that.

    I think Ron trusts us to have a good idea about what is best for the growth of our own audience. Considering this site’s editorial position, to the extent that it exists, is innately heterodox (“Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives”), it would in any case be contrary to the site’s vision to have overweening editorial interference.

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  129. @Ron Unz

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz
     
    Well, I'm really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there's a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) "discontinuity" of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?
     
    Well, it's difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn't really work out so well.

    Anyway, it's not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I'm not sure they'd get along that well.

    One thing I've learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there's only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    Anyway, it’s not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding.

    I have had several people asking me if you would be interested in organizing a conference, of the sort that Amren organizes (and which the National Policy Institute used to organize, though I’m not sure they are in a position to do any more of them).

    I have limited experience with organizing conferences myself, but from what I know of the transhumanist conference organized by Hank Pellissier, they’re not that expensive – sometimes even break even, when ticket sales are successful. In principle I think an Unz.com conference could be successful, especially if the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak. Maybe institutions with experience with this e.g. Amren or VDARE will even agree to cooperate.

    Of course there’s no point in doing that if you’re not interested yourself, and/or if you think the media attention it will be sure to draw is undesirable. As I recall, the last VDARE conference had to be canceled due to SJWs. And we know that the London Conference on Intelligence had to be moved to Denmark this year. So political considerations are also a factor.

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    the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak
     
    I haven't heard Fred speak but I heard the other two and I heard you. Neither of you is a giant when it comes to speaking.
    , @JackOH
    " . . . I think an Unz.com conference could be successful . . .".

    I think an Unz.com speakers' tour addressed to a popular audience has the potential for success. Maybe three speakers, a friendly interlocutor tossing a few softball questions after each speaker, and an emcee who warms up the audience and gives ground rules for audience Q & A. Maybe 15 minutes for each speaker, 90 minutes total with bumper time and questions.


    Sound far-fetched? Maybe. But, I think there's a real hunger out there for a calm speaker to say stuff that's obvious. "Our leaders say 'diversity' is a good thing, but have you ever noticed they don't mean women who want to stay home to raise their children and manage the household, or Black folks who want to be barbers?" Think Will Rogers for the light touch, but with a little more attitude.
    , @Anon
    Keep it on the web. Ron may not have the time or inclination to organize one.

    Look what happens to the amren conferences. The hotels are pressured to cancel the reservations and there are all sorts of problems and demonstrations. Plus some of the views and expressions used are sure to draw fire from all the liberal busybodies.
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  130. @Israel Shamir

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website.
     
    Indeed we all gained from this fallout.
    It was interesting to read about Ron Unz's evolution; now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans' preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans. It would be good if you'd get Justin Raimondo on board. Now Unz Review is probably more read than Antiwar. Good that Diana Johnstone is with us. And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
    The present format of just two pieces on the top is also good. Julian Assange told me that Counterpunch's main problem was that they published too much of crap.

    Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans.

    Steve Sailer’s blog has been eye-opening to me as an outsider to how the U.S. elites use race in a way which seems designed to engineer and encourage maximum resentment towards white Americans.

    I read this stuff with horror over the years, feeling grateful that such ruthlessly effective divide and conquer tactics were largely absent from public discourse in Britain and (foolishly) believing that it wouldn’t stand here.

    Sadly since then, we have seemingly imported the whole kit and caboodle of race war nonsense, which has been made more dangerous in that it has received full backing from the state, with our “Conservative” government creating a race differences database and demanding all inequalities between groups be eliminated.

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    Assuming you are Japanese, what groups of importance are there? I hardly think a few Ainu, Ryukans or 5th-generation Koreans could stir up much internal unrest.
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  131. @Haxo Angmark
    many of Anglin's essays on this-n-that are hilarious.

    and unz.com could use some some comic relief from time to time.

    u j/k, but Daily Stormer does have Roy Batty, who also used to be Vincent Law at AltRight.com, who is a very entertaining and witty writer.

    Also very realistic about Russia, having moved back there as well.

    Anglin himself would be “problematic” as the SJWs say. He’s hilarious, and very talented – even Greasy William calls him a genius. But UR will lose any last vestiges of “handshakeworthiness” it might still have, and will test even open-minded moderates’ tolerance for dissent to the brink. He also has his own, very profitable and successful gig going on, so I don’t know if he’d even be interested.

    Come to think of it, the collapse of the AR has left quite a few writers in the doldrums.

    Guillaume Durocher – One of the AR’s few genuine intellectuals, deeply read in European history and the Greek classics.

    Gregory Hood – Also a brilliant writer, and I think he no longer has any platform at all.

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    Gregory Hood was hired by American Renaissance, which is a good platform for him.
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  132. The thing about The American Conservative site is that if you make any comment about Jews or Israel that is negative or pointed, that comment disappears.

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  133. JackOH says:

    OT, but related. Attended town hall, ask-the-Congressman event yesterday evening. Our Congressman is a genuinely likeable guy, and his name has been mentioned as a possible 2020 Dem presidential contender. He’ll be reelected with 70-80% of the vote.

    Friendly audience, mostly schoolteachers, judging by response to applause lines. Impenetrable fog of unexamined, shared assumptions. Trump is mentally ill. Check. Identity politics. Check. Corporate naughtiness. Check. Pro forma recitation of New Deal Dem hot buttons—wages, pensions, health care. Check. Public education, K-16. Check. Gun control. Check. Specific questions by audience members allowed them to display their plumage: studied hurt and anger, a Dem fave; knowledge of arcane legislation; partisan compartmentalization.

    Nothing to see there. I declined the numbered ticket offered me at the door that would have given me a chance to pose a question. Why bother?

    Unz Review‘s writers and commentariat offer pretty powerful tools for understanding why the watery porridge I heard last night is mostly chatty “cover” for more powerful decision-making forces that we talk about regularly here. Economics, race and ethnicity, culture, corrupt elites.

    Hat’s off, Ron.

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    Tim Ryan?
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  134. Anon[351] • Disclaimer says:

    “many of Anglin’s essays on this-n-that are hilarious.”

    Anglin is a very talented writer. I can see why the establishment Jews fear him as he’s easily their match in the forum of popular discourse; that’s why they’ve tried to deplatform him.

    However, Anglin and his Daily Stormer writers also have a habit of distortion and out right lying that matches the Jews they rail against. For example, in a recent blog post on that website they claimed Elon Musk “named the Jew.” In reality, they failed to report the rest of the man’s tweet (the one he was replying to), simply the tweet itself and perhaps the left wing replies to it. The full conversation thread makes it clear he’s referring to the rich and powerful upper class, not Jews specifically.

    They’ve done this kind of thing repeatedly with lots of different stories, like a recent one where they insinuate that immigrants are literally shitting on people’s food because someone got food poisoning from a vegetable.

    Anglin, while being talented and often humorous, is a psychopath who idolizes mass murders, laughs at people’s deaths, and writes nutty things like “women should be slaves” to people like himself. He tends to excuse this by using the “it’s just a joke” refrain, but I somehow doubt he actually means it in the way a normal person would.

    Anglin is a good agitator against the establishment, but make sure you stay far enough away from him and his outfit so that you don’t get taken down with them when they inevitably get blamed for something horrible.

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  135. @Anonymous

    So sad. CounterPunch and TAC were my go-to sources for years. Now look at them!

    Well, Mr. Unz, keep up the good fight! The Unz Review now has the best of both the left and the right. There’s no other site on the web–at least not in English–that even comes close.

    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.” – George Orwell
     

     
    I’m sure Deep State is not pleased with Unz.com. I’m sure the more popular it gets the more Deep State feels it must silence it. And I hope Ron doesn’t drive a new hackable car and end up like Michael Hastings.

    I hear you.

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  136. @Gracebear
    Wonderful quote from Orwell. Thank you!

    My pleasure!

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  137. @Israel Shamir

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website.
     
    Indeed we all gained from this fallout.
    It was interesting to read about Ron Unz's evolution; now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans' preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans. It would be good if you'd get Justin Raimondo on board. Now Unz Review is probably more read than Antiwar. Good that Diana Johnstone is with us. And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
    The present format of just two pieces on the top is also good. Julian Assange told me that Counterpunch's main problem was that they published too much of crap.

    And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.

    I second that whole-heartedly. In retrospect, the Unz pieces were probably the best thing I ever read over at TAC. And the ones you’ve posted here are just as good. Keep it up!

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  138. @vinteuil

    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.
     
    So let me guess: the human mind is an empty toilet, waiting to be filled with shit?

    Is that sufficiently unkind & inclusive for you?

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don't you.

    So let me guess: the human mind is an empty toilet, waiting to be filled with shit?

    Apparently. At least it seems to be pretty much applicable to anyone who puts his, her, or its faith in politicians, whether “librul” or “kunsurvatif.” And your comment lends support to the concept.

    Is that sufficiently unkind & inclusive for you?

    Why would anyone ask a question like that?

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  139. @vinteuil

    Sink is too kind, and liberal is too exclusive.
     
    So let me guess: the human mind is an empty toilet, waiting to be filled with shit?

    Is that sufficiently unkind & inclusive for you?

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don't you.

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don’t you.

    Well, dear superiority monitor, please reread the comment I was responding to and argue that it wasn’t composed as a sneer, and wasn’t meant to signal the author’s imagined superiority.

    Tsk, tsk.

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    Come to think of it, if you were a character in a Dostoevsky novel, you wouldn't be Raskolnikov. You'd be Doctorenko.
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  140. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH
    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

    So blacks have a legitimate grievance against the British for their anti-slavery efforts?

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  141. @SteveM

    This is highly encouraging and indicates that there is a real demand for our product, “us” in this case being Unz himself, the columnists and bloggers, and last but not least, the commenters.

     

    I read and enjoy the Unz Review. I also read TAC among other notionally contrarian sites. I do hope that UR continues to do well and prosper.

    However the blog-o-sphere is a massive archipelago of ideological ghettos, with many (most?) enforcing lockstep conformity by heavily censoring and/or blocking dissenting comments no matter how well articulated. And most readers don't leave their mutually reinforcing ghettos.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    This Memorial Day is a case in point. The U.S. military was again sanctified and celebrated with the assumption that "Warrior Heroes" actually and truly "defend our freedoms" by slaughtering natives engaged in sectarian conflicts 6,000 miles from American shores. There was zero concomitant reflection in the MSM and by the political class as to whether U.S. "power projection" with military force was appropriate and legal. And whether the Trillions expended for those exercises in death and destruction actually served the interest of the taxpayers.

    The massive propaganda engine that codifies and sustains the perverse Cult of Military Exceptionalism in the U.S. will never allow those discussions in the MSM.

    And The U.S. (regime) in its recently updated National Security Strategy again claims the Global Cop Gorilla mantel without challenge from the Elites that matter. Expect more of the same without meaningful dissent.

    Unfortunately given that, Unz is merely entertainment and a vehicle to let off steam for us contrarians. Related to its real impact on actual decision making, the contrarian space is largely impotent.

    P.S. the sclerotic U.S. Global Cop monolith will indeed eventually collapse, but not because the Elites were convinced by contrarians to significantly update their governance strategy to a new reality, but because it will go bankrupt and the rest of the planet will finally tell it to pound sand.

    The larger point is that UR and other contrarian sites have had negligible impact on steering the political and social apparatus of the United States. The MSM in cahoots with the Pentagon, Deep State, Political Hacks and Corporate Cronies still controls the message and consequently the mindsets of Americans.

    Uh, oh, Vent-toot, at comment #43, ain’t gonna be happy with your “superiority signalling,” even though you are no doubt correct!

    ;)

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  142. @Thorfinnsson
    People with integrity and principles are generally considered a "pain in the ass to work with" by those with, shall we say, a more "flexible" mindset. John T Reed has written at length about this.

    One of the strangest ideas of the journalism business is the widespread idea that editors and reporters have some kind of right to be independent of their publisher.

    Try this attitude out in any other business and see how long you last.

    Try this attitude out in any other business and see how long you last.

    Especially if the “business” is mafia controlled. Goes for “governments,” too.

    PS: Please do accept my apologies,T, for signalling my superiority in these matters, especially since it apparently deeply offends the “Vent.”

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  143. @Buddy Ray
    The comment section needs work. The best comments need to be the ones that have the most thumbs up or down or the most engagement. The replies to the comments should be collapsible. How can a man so smart not get a comment section right? This comment should be near the top so we, the people of Unz, can inform you of how bad the comment section is. You want to make The UnZ ReVi3w a happening place? Fix the comment section.

    Fix the comment section.

    You can help by not commenting further. It’s called teaching by example. Bye-bye!

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    I don’t comment here very often because of the difficulty of the comment section and because I have to scroll through so many comments to get to the good ones. It’s frustrating. None of the comments left in reply to me were worthy of reply. Just people who like to throw insults around. That is not what I was doing. I like Ron Unz, but his comment section needs work.
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  144. @Israel Shamir

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website.
     
    Indeed we all gained from this fallout.
    It was interesting to read about Ron Unz's evolution; now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans' preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans. It would be good if you'd get Justin Raimondo on board. Now Unz Review is probably more read than Antiwar. Good that Diana Johnstone is with us. And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
    The present format of just two pieces on the top is also good. Julian Assange told me that Counterpunch's main problem was that they published too much of crap.

    It would be good if you’d get Justin Raimondo on board.

    With the proviso that he limit his articles to a max of 600 words. Yeah, he has a lot to say, but tends to get too windy.

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  145. @DFH
    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/slavery-in-the-united-states/

    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

    Oh goody!

    For sure “we” didn’t have King Leopold and his agents running around chopping off people’s hands by the millions in order to “encourage” them to gather more latex, and we didn’t have Mussolini to spray phosgene by aircraft over large areas of Ethiopia to satisfy his imperialistic lusts, and they didn’t have to suffer the Brit concentration camps in Kenya in the 1950s, but…

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    Not only that, but it's only just for Britain to invite as many Nigerians as will fit as compensation for keeping their ancestors trapped in Africa and impoverishing local kingdoms by ending the slave trade.
    /s
    , @Anon
    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.

    Britain was willing to share Africa and Asia with France, but not any other European country. Hence the atrocity propaganda.
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  146. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

     

    Oh goody!

    For sure "we" didn't have King Leopold and his agents running around chopping off people's hands by the millions in order to "encourage" them to gather more latex, and we didn't have Mussolini to spray phosgene by aircraft over large areas of Ethiopia to satisfy his imperialistic lusts, and they didn't have to suffer the Brit concentration camps in Kenya in the 1950s, but...

    Not only that, but it’s only just for Britain to invite as many Nigerians as will fit as compensation for keeping their ancestors trapped in Africa and impoverishing local kingdoms by ending the slave trade.
    /s

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  147. @Anatoly Karlin
    u j/k, but Daily Stormer does have Roy Batty, who also used to be Vincent Law at AltRight.com, who is a very entertaining and witty writer.

    Also very realistic about Russia, having moved back there as well.

    Anglin himself would be "problematic" as the SJWs say. He's hilarious, and very talented - even Greasy William calls him a genius. But UR will lose any last vestiges of "handshakeworthiness" it might still have, and will test even open-minded moderates' tolerance for dissent to the brink. He also has his own, very profitable and successful gig going on, so I don't know if he'd even be interested.

    Come to think of it, the collapse of the AR has left quite a few writers in the doldrums.

    Guillaume Durocher - One of the AR's few genuine intellectuals, deeply read in European history and the Greek classics.

    Gregory Hood - Also a brilliant writer, and I think he no longer has any platform at all.

    Gregory Hood was hired by American Renaissance, which is a good platform for him.

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  148. Rurik says:
    @Fran Macadam
    Good for you on unz.com, Ron. Without denigrating the value of TAC, you've better fulfilled your own mission here!

    Without denigrating the value of TAC,

    TAC doesn’t need anyone to denigrate it, since it has done an impressive job of denigrating itself, and all the sniveling hacks who remain there.

    From Mr. Unz’s article:

    Ideological organizations and publications often confront this exact dilemma. They can remain small, poor, and fiercely independent or they can take the path of growing in size and expense, hoping for greater impact and influence, but usually forcing them to make their peace with the wealthy sources of establishmentarian funding. My own opinion was that since American political journalism already contained such a vast number of different media outlets in the latter category, TAC should avoid merely becoming another one, but I can understand why others might see things differently.

    I believe what Mr. Unz is suggesting here is that the spiritually weak, intellectual jellyfish at TAC were ‘turned out’. Which in the vernacular of urban slang, means that they willingly accommodated themselves and their opinions to their ‘owners’, offering up their minds as open vessels for the agendas of their patrons, and thereby TAC became the ‘bitch’ of the donors who demanded intellectual yielding. Just like any whore who becomes pliant for a price. With the notable exception that a crack whore only sells her body, whereas the cowering worms at TAC sold their very souls.

    More here:

    Like many pundits, Dreher paid no price for being spectacularly wrong about Iraq, because he knows how to play the game, a game that encourages both calculation (including calculated attacks on those to one’s right) and adherence to the ever-expanding rules of political correctness. I think we’d be better off changing the rules of the game to encourage frankness and courage.

    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/rod-dreher-and-the-politics-of-betrayal/

    whether you’re a wiling dumpster for bodily fluids or shekels matters not, when you’ve denigrated yourself so unctuously.

    I’d like to think that the folks over at TAC might stumble upon this thread, and take a nice look at that photo there, because that is how many, many people, (who have not sold their dignity to the devil) will see TAC from now on.

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  149. Weaver1 says:

    I recommend getting some of the people who wrote for EconomicPopulist, EconomyInCrisis, and AmericanEconomicAlert to write here.

    Alan Tonelson would be great, as well as Ian Fletcher. LifeZette and Breitbart probably have also featured good writers.

    Trade protectionism is very interesting, because globalism has expanded wealth gaps. If workers were simply paid more, then in theory we’d have a more stable society, less demand for socialism.

    In theory, a larger middle class reduces the potential energy used by socialists to come to power. Stupid “capitalists” have in the past defended and even praised wealth gaps, when that’s exactly what socialist revolutionaries want.

    For years, many of us have been making this argument; it’s great how under Trump the argument is more popular. Wanting a large middle class and greater economic decentralisation is not “socialist” but an excellent defence against socialism.

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  150. Rurik says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Thank you Ron, for this amazing website, and thank you TAC for firing Ron so he can start this amazing website.
     
    Indeed we all gained from this fallout.
    It was interesting to read about Ron Unz's evolution; now I understand his mind better. Not being an American, I do not understand Americans' preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans. It would be good if you'd get Justin Raimondo on board. Now Unz Review is probably more read than Antiwar. Good that Diana Johnstone is with us. And it would be good to read more original Unz pieces.
    The present format of just two pieces on the top is also good. Julian Assange told me that Counterpunch's main problem was that they published too much of crap.

    Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race;

    been to Zimbabwe lately Mr. Shamir?

    how about S. Africa?

    or, perchance have you heard of Palestine?

    It’s true that most Japanese or Icelanders or Samoans have very little preoccupation with race, but it’s hard to determine any explanation for that.

    Hmm..

    England, for instance, (nor France, etc..) had any racial problems to speak of only a few decades ago, and now this issue is ripping apart the fabric of those erstwhile homogeneous nations.

    and yet there’s just no figuring out why that is…!

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    Who does her spoolie head hair doo?.....Lawn Boy? or perhaps Toro? and now many dem libs and femcomies are promoting oprah for yet another baboon ape in the white house eh.

    I hope all them white guilted idiots that thought "Maybe if we elect hobammy as us prez, African savages will finally stop anti white racism when they see a black man in worlds top position/job"?


    Have finally realized that to play the African game by black hatred of whites rules is the absolute wrong way to think eh.....Yes it really Is Okay to Be a European derived White Peoples, And Yes indeed it really is no big deal to get called a rayssis or anti-Semite by Americas double whammy two pronged Curses...#1= jewry…#2= African savages.


    If just one half of American white folk would simply Laugh Loudly in the faces and do so publicly, of each African or jew that resorts to such vile name calls, and same goes for when any Shaboz goys use same vile name calls to stifle all speech and shut down all forms truth speak. Them who use those name call tactics would fast fold like a cheep sears & robucks suit.


    Then whites can return to former ways of speak truth and hell with whom ever don't like it.


    There just cannot still be any where close to as many idiot white voters who elected hobammy after seeing how bad of a us prez he really was eh?


    However, I do credit hobammy for being Americas best ever firearm salesman in the entire history of America and of firearms! Nice to know so many folks see and feel it coming and have prepared for just such a scenario no?


    When that fateful day arrives that anti whitey hatred karma slaps tyrone upside his nappy head and he learns about, Rule.308.
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  151. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anyway, it’s not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding.
     
    I have had several people asking me if you would be interested in organizing a conference, of the sort that Amren organizes (and which the National Policy Institute used to organize, though I'm not sure they are in a position to do any more of them).

    I have limited experience with organizing conferences myself, but from what I know of the transhumanist conference organized by Hank Pellissier, they're not that expensive - sometimes even break even, when ticket sales are successful. In principle I think an Unz.com conference could be successful, especially if the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak. Maybe institutions with experience with this e.g. Amren or VDARE will even agree to cooperate.

    Of course there's no point in doing that if you're not interested yourself, and/or if you think the media attention it will be sure to draw is undesirable. As I recall, the last VDARE conference had to be canceled due to SJWs. And we know that the London Conference on Intelligence had to be moved to Denmark this year. So political considerations are also a factor.

    the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak

    I haven’t heard Fred speak but I heard the other two and I heard you. Neither of you is a giant when it comes to speaking.

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  152. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @anon
    China has no interest in conquering another country. They have enough trouble governing 1.3 BILLION people. Their military is for self defense only. They remember their "century of humiliation" and being "the sick man of Asia". Only neocons are looking at their rise as a threat to America. Neocons look at everybody who isn't Israel as a threat to America.

    China needs America to stay rich and powerful, we are their biggest customer. They are not as dumb or crazy as the neocons who just want war with everybody who isn't Israel. These are the same people who discovered Africa but only wanted to trade and then go home. All we need to do is make sure they go home. There are too many damn Chinese nationals in the US, they're invading us without ever launching a single missile.

    China has no interest in conquering another country. They have enough trouble governing 1.3 BILLION people.

    You mean they are busy suppressing the Caucasoid people of Xinjiang, formerly the Second East Turkestan Republic which was illegally incorporated into the People’s Republic of China in 1949, while dealing with the resistance in occupied Tibet, although that has not prevented them from occupying and militarizing islands in the South China Sea.

    No, your facile assurances about Communist China’s peaceful propensity are totally at odds with the reality of both their past behavior and their future militarist intentions as reflected in an exponentially growing military budget.

    The world now, as always, is ruled by force. Currently, the US has means to exert more force than anyone else, but the Chinese clearly intent to change that.

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  153. No, your facile assurances about Communist China’s peaceful propensity are totally at odds with the reality of both their past behavior and their future militarist intentions as reflected in an exponentially growing military budget.

    I see. Well then, China must be committed to the flames, eh?

    Any thoughts on the reality of past behavior and future militarist intentions of the American Empire? And its exponentially growing military budget? Any at all?

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    I see. Well then, China must be committed to the flames, eh?
     
    You have a propensity for absurd assumptions. You would have a better grasp of reality if you were to draw conclusions from the facts, several of which I cited with web links that you seem not to have looked at.
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  154. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @manorchurch

    So for three million dollars plus you learned that incompetent people hate being told what to do by competent people.
     
    LOL. Yeah, you and I learned that while being paid by incompetent people!

    LOL. Yeah, you and I learned that while being paid by incompetent people!

    Nor sure what you’re getting at here. Apart from a stint as an employee of several universities and the taxpayers of several countries, I was self-employed.

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  155. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @manorchurch

    No, your facile assurances about Communist China’s peaceful propensity are totally at odds with the reality of both their past behavior and their future militarist intentions as reflected in an exponentially growing military budget.
     
    I see. Well then, China must be committed to the flames, eh?

    Any thoughts on the reality of past behavior and future militarist intentions of the American Empire? And its exponentially growing military budget? Any at all?

    I see. Well then, China must be committed to the flames, eh?

    You have a propensity for absurd assumptions. You would have a better grasp of reality if you were to draw conclusions from the facts, several of which I cited with web links that you seem not to have looked at.

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    You have a propensity for absurd assumptions. You would have a better grasp of reality if you were to draw conclusions from the facts, several of which I cited with web links that you seem not to have looked at.
     
    My assumptions? I did but ask a rather innocuous question, following your pronouncement of "facile assurances about Communist China’s peaceful propensity are totally at odds with the reality of both their past behavior".

    Just wondering, you know? Should we accept facile assurances of America's peaceful propensity, based on the reality of past behavior?

    Perhaps my grasp of reality has been over-influenced by reports of a Trillion-dollar military budget, 800+ military bases worldwide, and 30+ years of unceasing military adventurism, funded by people who work for a living.

    Damn, grasping reality is a major bitch, ain't it?
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  156. anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    So, what are Unz’s basic views on The Race/IQ Debate? That IQ is 100% environmental/socio-economic? 50%? 0%?

    And, in Unz’s view, are Hispanic and white crime rates comparable? Hispanics being only slighting more crime prone? Regarding this point, why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than it is in the US? And, why does their behavior change when they arrive in the US?

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    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all
    non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.

    Therefore, it’s futile to even attempt a study about Hispanic crime rates.

    Only way I can think of would be to actually obtain lists of every person in county jails and state and federal prisons. Then just use the names.


    The affirmative action criteria are anyone whose ancestors came from Spain but not Portugal and any territory that was ever a Spanish colony but not Brazil. Of course lots of Brazilian immigrants get affirmative action privilege because no one knows the difference

    Hispanic classification depends on the name.

    If anyone wants to obtain and dig through the names of all the incarcerated criminals in the country go to it. Their names aren’t private any more once they get charged in court.

    It would be possible to get the county state and federal court records of everyone convicted of a crime and select the Hispanic names.

    But relying on official statistics is useless because Hispanic criminals are classified as White
    , @utu

    why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than it is in the US
     
    Do not have data on homicide rate. But look at incarceration rate. The US has 25% of world prisoners with 5% population. The incarceration rate is ≈700/100k out of which Whites are ≈40%, Blacks are ≈40% and remaining (mostly Hispanics) are about ≈20%. This gives you incarceration rate of Hispanics in the US about 875/100k. which is significantly higher than

    El Salvador 541
    Panama 426
    CostaRica 352
    Puerto Rico 349
    Brazil 307
    Peru 251
    Chile 242
    Mexico 204

    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.
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  157. @CanSpeccy

    I see. Well then, China must be committed to the flames, eh?
     
    You have a propensity for absurd assumptions. You would have a better grasp of reality if you were to draw conclusions from the facts, several of which I cited with web links that you seem not to have looked at.

    You have a propensity for absurd assumptions. You would have a better grasp of reality if you were to draw conclusions from the facts, several of which I cited with web links that you seem not to have looked at.

    My assumptions? I did but ask a rather innocuous question, following your pronouncement of “facile assurances about Communist China’s peaceful propensity are totally at odds with the reality of both their past behavior”.

    Just wondering, you know? Should we accept facile assurances of America’s peaceful propensity, based on the reality of past behavior?

    Perhaps my grasp of reality has been over-influenced by reports of a Trillion-dollar military budget, 800+ military bases worldwide, and 30+ years of unceasing military adventurism, funded by people who work for a living.

    Damn, grasping reality is a major bitch, ain’t it?

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  158. Geremiah says:

    Thank you for putting another “conservative” magazine on my subscription non-renewal chopping-block.

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  159. JackOH says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anyway, it’s not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding.
     
    I have had several people asking me if you would be interested in organizing a conference, of the sort that Amren organizes (and which the National Policy Institute used to organize, though I'm not sure they are in a position to do any more of them).

    I have limited experience with organizing conferences myself, but from what I know of the transhumanist conference organized by Hank Pellissier, they're not that expensive - sometimes even break even, when ticket sales are successful. In principle I think an Unz.com conference could be successful, especially if the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak. Maybe institutions with experience with this e.g. Amren or VDARE will even agree to cooperate.

    Of course there's no point in doing that if you're not interested yourself, and/or if you think the media attention it will be sure to draw is undesirable. As I recall, the last VDARE conference had to be canceled due to SJWs. And we know that the London Conference on Intelligence had to be moved to Denmark this year. So political considerations are also a factor.

    ” . . . I think an Unz.com conference could be successful . . .”.

    I think an Unz.com speakers’ tour addressed to a popular audience has the potential for success. Maybe three speakers, a friendly interlocutor tossing a few softball questions after each speaker, and an emcee who warms up the audience and gives ground rules for audience Q & A. Maybe 15 minutes for each speaker, 90 minutes total with bumper time and questions.

    Sound far-fetched? Maybe. But, I think there’s a real hunger out there for a calm speaker to say stuff that’s obvious. “Our leaders say ‘diversity’ is a good thing, but have you ever noticed they don’t mean women who want to stay home to raise their children and manage the household, or Black folks who want to be barbers?” Think Will Rogers for the light touch, but with a little more attitude.

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    It has the potential for a massive public order and security problem, though.

    On the other hand, there would be few better ways to raise awareness of the site.

    Up to the owner whether it's worth the grief, I suppose.
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  160. Anon[541] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    So, what are Unz's basic views on The Race/IQ Debate? That IQ is 100% environmental/socio-economic? 50%? 0%?

    And, in Unz's view, are Hispanic and white crime rates comparable? Hispanics being only slighting more crime prone? Regarding this point, why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than it is in the US? And, why does their behavior change when they arrive in the US?

    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all
    non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.

    Therefore, it’s futile to even attempt a study about Hispanic crime rates.

    Only way I can think of would be to actually obtain lists of every person in county jails and state and federal prisons. Then just use the names.

    The affirmative action criteria are anyone whose ancestors came from Spain but not Portugal and any territory that was ever a Spanish colony but not Brazil. Of course lots of Brazilian immigrants get affirmative action privilege because no one knows the difference

    Hispanic classification depends on the name.

    If anyone wants to obtain and dig through the names of all the incarcerated criminals in the country go to it. Their names aren’t private any more once they get charged in court.

    It would be possible to get the county state and federal court records of everyone convicted of a crime and select the Hispanic names.

    But relying on official statistics is useless because Hispanic criminals are classified as White

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    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.
     
    Actually, you're very seriously mistaken on this point. I would strongly urge you to read the analysis provided in my own work, which was formulated to get around exactly these serious classification obstacles:

    First, racially-based prison gang violence has been a very serious problem for decades, especially in California, and therefore to minimize this problem inmates are routinely segregated by race (white-black-Hispanic). Naturally, this requires each inmate to be assigned a racial classification, and given the life-or-death impact, I'm sure the accuracy is quite high. This provides for overall racial incarceration statistics, and I've never heard of anyone disputing their correctness.

    Second, the U.S. Census provides a very solid estimate of the racial composition of all our urban centers and the correlations between these racial distributions and the entirely separate federal statistics on urban crime rates (independent of ethnicity) provide a very useful picture of the relationship between race and crime.

    Here are links to a couple of my main articles, which I had already referenced above:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
    , @utu
    See CDC report

    https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Reports_Research/Offender_Information_Services_Branch/Annual/CalPris/CALPRISd2010.pdf

    Table 10: W 25.2%, H 39.8%, B 28.9%
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    As an anecdote there is Texas Fugitives Still Wanted:

    White
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White
    White
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    White (Hispanic)
    Black

    Texas is 39.1% hispanic.
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  161. Anon[541] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to America. It gave them (not to mention their descendants) a much better life than they would have as slaves in Africa.

     

    Oh goody!

    For sure "we" didn't have King Leopold and his agents running around chopping off people's hands by the millions in order to "encourage" them to gather more latex, and we didn't have Mussolini to spray phosgene by aircraft over large areas of Ethiopia to satisfy his imperialistic lusts, and they didn't have to suffer the Brit concentration camps in Kenya in the 1950s, but...

    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.

    Britain was willing to share Africa and Asia with France, but not any other European country. Hence the atrocity propaganda.

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    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.
     
    I'd be interested in any support for your claim.

    Of course all of it could be faked, but based on the evidence that I can gather, the atrocities were probably downplayed a bit.

    Take a look at the pics here.

    https://ghb67.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/african-holocaust-king-leopolds-belgian-congo/

    Here's one of them.

    https://ghb67.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/index.jpg?w=133&h=241
    , @DFH
    There's very little to back up the absurd figures that are often given for it

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/07/24/mythologies-about-leopolds-congo-free-state/
    , @German_reader

    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda
     
    It wasn't just propaganda, but apparently it's not quite true like it's often presented, that is that limbs were chopped off to mutilate living people. The reality seems to have been more like this: The natives enrolled in Leopold's forces were often sent out on their own to collect tribute. Their superiors didn't want them to waste ammo for hunting game, so they had to account for pretty much every bullet they used. So they chopped off the hands of people they had killed, to have proof they had used up their ammo for their job.
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  162. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Should we accept facile assurances of America’s peaceful propensity

    Well if you’re a total innocent determined to remain in a state of blissful ignorance, by all means accept such a ridiculous proposition. But why do you suppose that the imperatives of power in America are any different from those in China?

    You talk of America’s $trillion dollar “defense” spending, but China’s “defense” spending, already the second largest in the world, is growing far more rapidly than America’s, and given that a dollar’s worth of Yuan go a lot further in China than a dollar does in America, there’s not so much difference between the two countries in the present scale of military spending.

    China obviously has much catching up to do in military technology, but they have far more scientists and engineers to devote the task of catching up than America has to devote to the task of staying ahead. Currently, the Chinese are updating their nuclear forces andracing to lead the world in AI. They have hypersonic carrier-killing missiles potentially eliminating the US navy as a significant means of force projection in a major war. They are militarizing the S. China Sea and much else beside. And they have more than twice as many men under arms as the US.

    But dream on. Only the US is evil, the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.

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    the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.
     
    Don't know so much about China per se, but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs, but are also, (like so many others) victims of ZUS treachery and villainy and relentless bullying.

    As far as the military ascendancy of the ZUSA, at least as far as I know, China has never terrorized and then burned alive men, women and children like the ZUS government did at Waco. Nor has China committed acts of terror and atrocities against its citizens as elements of our "own" government did on 9/11.

    As an American citizen, I'm far, far more worried about the evils that my "own" government is capable of, than of any rival for world hegemony.

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.
    , @manorchurch

    Well if you’re a total innocent determined to remain in a state of blissful ignorance, by all means accept such a ridiculous proposition. But why do you suppose that the imperatives of power in America are any different from those in China?
     
    Again, it was a question. Are you answering it? You seem unduly focused on your assessment of my intelligence and experience as being inadequate, indeed "ignorant".

    I did but ask.

    Here's another: If one compares the "militaristic" behavior and history of China with the "militaristic" behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and "sanctions"?

    For that matter, can you cite Chinese obfuscation for military aggression that is on a par with the US tendency to write-off aggressive behavior as being righteous defense of stalwart ally "plucky little Israel"? I mean, shucks, just for comparison, f'rinstance?

    Here's another: Have you noticed that China's approach to foreign relations and economic relationships make US foreign policy look as though it was thought-up by a bowling team after ten beers?

    Here's another: China is eating our lunch, isn't it? We owe China money we will never repay -- because we can't. We are getting our economic asses handed to us, and we go right on looking like blitzed Polish miners at an evangelical church picnic. We've got dumbasses like YOU suggesting that it's China, not the US, that's going all apeshit militaristic.

    As a nation, we are confronted by the obvious, by impending and unavoidable disaster. But, what do the dumbasses DO? They whine. They piss and moan. They blame China, or Russia, or Africa, or South America, or Europe.

    We are fucked, Charlie. And we've known for a long, long time how to reverse the process of decay, of imperial decline.

    But, no. Piss. Moan. Whine. Point fingers.
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  163. utu says:
    @anonymous
    So, what are Unz's basic views on The Race/IQ Debate? That IQ is 100% environmental/socio-economic? 50%? 0%?

    And, in Unz's view, are Hispanic and white crime rates comparable? Hispanics being only slighting more crime prone? Regarding this point, why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than it is in the US? And, why does their behavior change when they arrive in the US?

    why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than it is in the US

    Do not have data on homicide rate. But look at incarceration rate. The US has 25% of world prisoners with 5% population. The incarceration rate is ≈700/100k out of which Whites are ≈40%, Blacks are ≈40% and remaining (mostly Hispanics) are about ≈20%. This gives you incarceration rate of Hispanics in the US about 875/100k. which is significantly higher than

    El Salvador 541
    Panama 426
    CostaRica 352
    Puerto Rico 349
    Brazil 307
    Peru 251
    Chile 242
    Mexico 204

    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.

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    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.
     
    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.

    Incarceration is, statistically, most correlated with enforcement and prosecution. The USA spends money (i.e the government collects substantial revenue for) a substantial degree of enforcement, and for a legal system (i.e. lawyers make money) that prosecutes. Add a penal system that in the last decade has discovered that incarceration, too, can make money for the rich.

    The countries you list don't spend a tenth, relatively speaking, on those highly-profitable institutions of enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration.

    The race stats you seek to assert/define are invalid, meaningless.
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  164. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon
    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all
    non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.

    Therefore, it’s futile to even attempt a study about Hispanic crime rates.

    Only way I can think of would be to actually obtain lists of every person in county jails and state and federal prisons. Then just use the names.


    The affirmative action criteria are anyone whose ancestors came from Spain but not Portugal and any territory that was ever a Spanish colony but not Brazil. Of course lots of Brazilian immigrants get affirmative action privilege because no one knows the difference

    Hispanic classification depends on the name.

    If anyone wants to obtain and dig through the names of all the incarcerated criminals in the country go to it. Their names aren’t private any more once they get charged in court.

    It would be possible to get the county state and federal court records of everyone convicted of a crime and select the Hispanic names.

    But relying on official statistics is useless because Hispanic criminals are classified as White

    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.

    Actually, you’re very seriously mistaken on this point. I would strongly urge you to read the analysis provided in my own work, which was formulated to get around exactly these serious classification obstacles:

    First, racially-based prison gang violence has been a very serious problem for decades, especially in California, and therefore to minimize this problem inmates are routinely segregated by race (white-black-Hispanic). Naturally, this requires each inmate to be assigned a racial classification, and given the life-or-death impact, I’m sure the accuracy is quite high. This provides for overall racial incarceration statistics, and I’ve never heard of anyone disputing their correctness.

    Second, the U.S. Census provides a very solid estimate of the racial composition of all our urban centers and the correlations between these racial distributions and the entirely separate federal statistics on urban crime rates (independent of ethnicity) provide a very useful picture of the relationship between race and crime.

    Here are links to a couple of my main articles, which I had already referenced above:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

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    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.
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  165. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Should we accept facile assurances of America’s peaceful propensity
     
    Well if you're a total innocent determined to remain in a state of blissful ignorance, by all means accept such a ridiculous proposition. But why do you suppose that the imperatives of power in America are any different from those in China?

    You talk of America's $trillion dollar "defense" spending, but China's "defense" spending, already the second largest in the world, is growing far more rapidly than America's, and given that a dollar's worth of Yuan go a lot further in China than a dollar does in America, there's not so much difference between the two countries in the present scale of military spending.

    China obviously has much catching up to do in military technology, but they have far more scientists and engineers to devote the task of catching up than America has to devote to the task of staying ahead. Currently, the Chinese are updating their nuclear forces andracing to lead the world in AI. They have hypersonic carrier-killing missiles potentially eliminating the US navy as a significant means of force projection in a major war. They are militarizing the S. China Sea and much else beside. And they have more than twice as many men under arms as the US.

    But dream on. Only the US is evil, the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.

    the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.

    Don’t know so much about China per se, but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs, but are also, (like so many others) victims of ZUS treachery and villainy and relentless bullying.

    As far as the military ascendancy of the ZUSA, at least as far as I know, China has never terrorized and then burned alive men, women and children like the ZUS government did at Waco. Nor has China committed acts of terror and atrocities against its citizens as elements of our “own” government did on 9/11.

    As an American citizen, I’m far, far more worried about the evils that my “own” government is capable of, than of any rival for world hegemony.

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

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    but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs
     
    LOL Does the name Grozny ring a bell. As for burning people alive ....

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

     

    Substitute the words Chinese and Beijing for America and Washington, DC, and you see the one-sidedness of your view.
    , @Bill jones
    You liar, you. Persia attacked Russia in 1826 (I think it was- don't remember exactly, I was very young) to, vainly, attempt to retake a couple of northern provinces taken by the Russians . Less than 100 years ago during which the rest of the globe has enjoyed the tranquility of pax americana.
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  166. @CanSpeccy

    Should we accept facile assurances of America’s peaceful propensity
     
    Well if you're a total innocent determined to remain in a state of blissful ignorance, by all means accept such a ridiculous proposition. But why do you suppose that the imperatives of power in America are any different from those in China?

    You talk of America's $trillion dollar "defense" spending, but China's "defense" spending, already the second largest in the world, is growing far more rapidly than America's, and given that a dollar's worth of Yuan go a lot further in China than a dollar does in America, there's not so much difference between the two countries in the present scale of military spending.

    China obviously has much catching up to do in military technology, but they have far more scientists and engineers to devote the task of catching up than America has to devote to the task of staying ahead. Currently, the Chinese are updating their nuclear forces andracing to lead the world in AI. They have hypersonic carrier-killing missiles potentially eliminating the US navy as a significant means of force projection in a major war. They are militarizing the S. China Sea and much else beside. And they have more than twice as many men under arms as the US.

    But dream on. Only the US is evil, the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.

    Well if you’re a total innocent determined to remain in a state of blissful ignorance, by all means accept such a ridiculous proposition. But why do you suppose that the imperatives of power in America are any different from those in China?

    Again, it was a question. Are you answering it? You seem unduly focused on your assessment of my intelligence and experience as being inadequate, indeed “ignorant”.

    I did but ask.

    Here’s another: If one compares the “militaristic” behavior and history of China with the “militaristic” behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and “sanctions”?

    For that matter, can you cite Chinese obfuscation for military aggression that is on a par with the US tendency to write-off aggressive behavior as being righteous defense of stalwart ally “plucky little Israel”? I mean, shucks, just for comparison, f’rinstance?

    Here’s another: Have you noticed that China’s approach to foreign relations and economic relationships make US foreign policy look as though it was thought-up by a bowling team after ten beers?

    Here’s another: China is eating our lunch, isn’t it? We owe China money we will never repay — because we can’t. We are getting our economic asses handed to us, and we go right on looking like blitzed Polish miners at an evangelical church picnic. We’ve got dumbasses like YOU suggesting that it’s China, not the US, that’s going all apeshit militaristic.

    As a nation, we are confronted by the obvious, by impending and unavoidable disaster. But, what do the dumbasses DO? They whine. They piss and moan. They blame China, or Russia, or Africa, or South America, or Europe.

    We are fucked, Charlie. And we’ve known for a long, long time how to reverse the process of decay, of imperial decline.

    But, no. Piss. Moan. Whine. Point fingers.

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    I did but ask.

    Here’s another: If one compares the “militaristic” behavior and history of China with the “militaristic” behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and “sanctions”?
     
    Look, I'm not here to recount Chinese history, but suffice it to say, that China had an empire more than a thousand years before the US of A was even thought of, and the Chinese Government has never shown the slightest inclination to pacifism, or gentleness in dealing with enemies and dissidents.

    What you and Rurik seem unable to grasp is that physical force is the basis of state power and no state can exist without access to physical violence, which it naturally justifies in the most Holy and Glorious terms, painting itself victim of traitors within and vile opponents without.

    It's the same with any nation. The fact that the US routinely goes to war with small countries reflects only the fact that the US is currently the most powerful nation in the world, and that to remain the most powerful nation it must, so the experts at the State Department and the CIA, etc. believe, deal violently with states that resist its will.

    Basically, the rules of power politics are the same for all participants, although the various players have different roles depending on their power, their vulnerabilities, etc.

    You may view the use of force for the attainment of state objectives as an evil but it is a practice that dates back to the earliest civilizations. To single out the US as uniquely evil is simply silly.

    Morally, the US might be held in higher regard by pacifists and vegetarians if it disbanded its armed forces, the FBI, the National Guard and all the other mechanisms for enforcing the will of the government. But on that basis, the United States would not long endure, moreover the prosperity that most American citizens enjoy would be lost as countless aliens from Asia, Africa and Latin America established their own settler states, Muslim, Voodoo, Communist, or whatever, where once American of mostly Christian faith had once ruled.
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  167. @utu

    why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than it is in the US
     
    Do not have data on homicide rate. But look at incarceration rate. The US has 25% of world prisoners with 5% population. The incarceration rate is ≈700/100k out of which Whites are ≈40%, Blacks are ≈40% and remaining (mostly Hispanics) are about ≈20%. This gives you incarceration rate of Hispanics in the US about 875/100k. which is significantly higher than

    El Salvador 541
    Panama 426
    CostaRica 352
    Puerto Rico 349
    Brazil 307
    Peru 251
    Chile 242
    Mexico 204

    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.

    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.

    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.

    Incarceration is, statistically, most correlated with enforcement and prosecution. The USA spends money (i.e the government collects substantial revenue for) a substantial degree of enforcement, and for a legal system (i.e. lawyers make money) that prosecutes. Add a penal system that in the last decade has discovered that incarceration, too, can make money for the rich.

    The countries you list don’t spend a tenth, relatively speaking, on those highly-profitable institutions of enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration.

    The race stats you seek to assert/define are invalid, meaningless.

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    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.
     
    The estimates are pretty good, imo. You can't argue with the numbers particularly that all you showed is your emotional outburst.
    , @roo_ster
    Victim survey stats back up arrest & incarceration data.

    Not sure where utu got his data, but if it is FBI/state arrest/conviction/incarceration rates, suchlike has been corroborated.

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  168. Randal says:
    @JackOH
    " . . . I think an Unz.com conference could be successful . . .".

    I think an Unz.com speakers' tour addressed to a popular audience has the potential for success. Maybe three speakers, a friendly interlocutor tossing a few softball questions after each speaker, and an emcee who warms up the audience and gives ground rules for audience Q & A. Maybe 15 minutes for each speaker, 90 minutes total with bumper time and questions.


    Sound far-fetched? Maybe. But, I think there's a real hunger out there for a calm speaker to say stuff that's obvious. "Our leaders say 'diversity' is a good thing, but have you ever noticed they don't mean women who want to stay home to raise their children and manage the household, or Black folks who want to be barbers?" Think Will Rogers for the light touch, but with a little more attitude.

    It has the potential for a massive public order and security problem, though.

    On the other hand, there would be few better ways to raise awareness of the site.

    Up to the owner whether it’s worth the grief, I suppose.

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    March 15th this year Norman Finkelstein, whose writing appears on these pages, spoke at our local state university. He came, he spoke, he was interviewed, he left. No theatrics.
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  169. @Fran Macadam
    Good for you on unz.com, Ron. Without denigrating the value of TAC, you've better fulfilled your own mission here!

    I had no idea just how disappointed you are with TAC.

    maybe i missed something.

    apparently a lot. No i don’t get the release of Dr. Giraldi . . .

    maybe i am more naive than I think.

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  170. utu says:
    @manorchurch

    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.
     
    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.

    Incarceration is, statistically, most correlated with enforcement and prosecution. The USA spends money (i.e the government collects substantial revenue for) a substantial degree of enforcement, and for a legal system (i.e. lawyers make money) that prosecutes. Add a penal system that in the last decade has discovered that incarceration, too, can make money for the rich.

    The countries you list don't spend a tenth, relatively speaking, on those highly-profitable institutions of enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration.

    The race stats you seek to assert/define are invalid, meaningless.

    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.

    The estimates are pretty good, imo. You can’t argue with the numbers particularly that all you showed is your emotional outburst.

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    The estimates are pretty good, imo.
     
    Huh-uh. Your ratios are based on multiples, therefore the error is multiplied by the differentials between arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations in the countries you cite for comparison. That is, the comparison is not valid because parameters are grossly unequal.

    Emotional? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. I read your bullshit, and usually I just laugh. You are a fraud -- transparently so.

    So, yes, the emotion is raucous laughter.
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  171. Buddy Ray says:
    @jacques sheete

    Fix the comment section.
     
    You can help by not commenting further. It's called teaching by example. Bye-bye!

    I don’t comment here very often because of the difficulty of the comment section and because I have to scroll through so many comments to get to the good ones. It’s frustrating. None of the comments left in reply to me were worthy of reply. Just people who like to throw insults around. That is not what I was doing. I like Ron Unz, but his comment section needs work.

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    I don’t comment here very often because of the difficulty of the comment section and because I have to scroll through so many comments to get to the good ones. It’s frustrating. None of the comments left in reply to me were worthy of reply. Just people who like to throw insults around. That is not what I was doing. I like Ron Unz, but his comment section needs work.
     
    Many years ago, I suggested to El Ron that he simply use a freebie comment engine, such as phpBB, SMF, or AEF, any of which would provide quick access to threads, specific topics, search on keyword, etc.

    Nothing doing. It's like Charlie Brown and football.
    , @Donald Bramich
    What improvements would you suggest? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious.
    (I'm not that knowledgable about software so perhaps I'm not aware what other useful features are possible.)
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  172. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.
     
    Actually, you're very seriously mistaken on this point. I would strongly urge you to read the analysis provided in my own work, which was formulated to get around exactly these serious classification obstacles:

    First, racially-based prison gang violence has been a very serious problem for decades, especially in California, and therefore to minimize this problem inmates are routinely segregated by race (white-black-Hispanic). Naturally, this requires each inmate to be assigned a racial classification, and given the life-or-death impact, I'm sure the accuracy is quite high. This provides for overall racial incarceration statistics, and I've never heard of anyone disputing their correctness.

    Second, the U.S. Census provides a very solid estimate of the racial composition of all our urban centers and the correlations between these racial distributions and the entirely separate federal statistics on urban crime rates (independent of ethnicity) provide a very useful picture of the relationship between race and crime.

    Here are links to a couple of my main articles, which I had already referenced above:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.

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    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.
     
    Bwahahahahahahaha. Dig, dig, dig. LOL.

    So, you propose a unique racial genotype -- Mexican Americans -- where criminality increases with each succeeding generation? Or, does it stop after the second gen? Zowie, the genetificational metaphysical hoopty-hoopdedoo of your theory is off the charts.

    That is some finely rarefied bullshit, a veritable Laphroaig of bullshit. I yam in awe, d00d.
    , @Ron Unz

    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.
     
    This is very likely correct, but the magnitude of the difference has often been grossly exaggerated.

    For example, some years ago the mainstream-liberal Migration Policy Institute published a study based on some very dubious statistics claiming that American-born Latinos were 700%(!!!) more likely to be criminal than their foreign-born counterparts. Ironically enough, it was the rightwing/anti-immigrant Center for Immigration Studies that thoroughly debunked such an absurdity.

    Anyway, the crucial empirical fact is that over the last couple of decades the population of prime-crime-age Hispanics has shifted to now become overwhelmingly American-born, yet simultaneously the crime rate of that overall ethnic group has plummeted. So while the difference you noted probably exists, it's clearly small enough to easily be swamped by various other factors.

    I discussed all these issues at considerable length in my major article as well as follow-up columns, and I'd prefer not to have to regularly repeat myself in comment-threads.
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  173. utu says:
    @Anon
    It’s absolutely. totally, completely impossible to do any any study or find any statistics about Hispanic crime rates:

    Because by state and federal law all
    non black and and non Asian arrestees and convicted criminals are classified as White.

    Therefore, it’s futile to even attempt a study about Hispanic crime rates.

    Only way I can think of would be to actually obtain lists of every person in county jails and state and federal prisons. Then just use the names.


    The affirmative action criteria are anyone whose ancestors came from Spain but not Portugal and any territory that was ever a Spanish colony but not Brazil. Of course lots of Brazilian immigrants get affirmative action privilege because no one knows the difference

    Hispanic classification depends on the name.

    If anyone wants to obtain and dig through the names of all the incarcerated criminals in the country go to it. Their names aren’t private any more once they get charged in court.

    It would be possible to get the county state and federal court records of everyone convicted of a crime and select the Hispanic names.

    But relying on official statistics is useless because Hispanic criminals are classified as White
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  174. @Anon
    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.

    Britain was willing to share Africa and Asia with France, but not any other European country. Hence the atrocity propaganda.

    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.

    I’d be interested in any support for your claim.

    Of course all of it could be faked, but based on the evidence that I can gather, the atrocities were probably downplayed a bit.

    Take a look at the pics here.

    https://ghb67.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/african-holocaust-king-leopolds-belgian-congo/

    Here’s one of them.

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  175. @utu

    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.
     
    The estimates are pretty good, imo. You can't argue with the numbers particularly that all you showed is your emotional outburst.

    The estimates are pretty good, imo.

    Huh-uh. Your ratios are based on multiples, therefore the error is multiplied by the differentials between arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations in the countries you cite for comparison. That is, the comparison is not valid because parameters are grossly unequal.

    Emotional? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. I read your bullshit, and usually I just laugh. You are a fraud — transparently so.

    So, yes, the emotion is raucous laughter.

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    Your ratios are based on multiples, therefore the error is multiplied by the differentials between arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations in the countries you cite for comparison.
     
    Are you by any chance black? The way you used the words 'multiples' and 'differentials' ? You made me think of Michael Eric Dyson or this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ROOi5xagxg
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  176. @utu
    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.

    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.

    Bwahahahahahahaha. Dig, dig, dig. LOL.

    So, you propose a unique racial genotype — Mexican Americans — where criminality increases with each succeeding generation? Or, does it stop after the second gen? Zowie, the genetificational metaphysical hoopty-hoopdedoo of your theory is off the charts.

    That is some finely rarefied bullshit, a veritable Laphroaig of bullshit. I yam in awe, d00d.

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    In the light of your expressed interest in the comments as such it is a pity you don't restrain yourself from such barmy-sounding excess. He did after all say his perfectly intelligible suggestion (which only applied to one generation - and for which many other countries can provide parallels) was only anecdotal.
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  177. @Buddy Ray
    I don’t comment here very often because of the difficulty of the comment section and because I have to scroll through so many comments to get to the good ones. It’s frustrating. None of the comments left in reply to me were worthy of reply. Just people who like to throw insults around. That is not what I was doing. I like Ron Unz, but his comment section needs work.

    I don’t comment here very often because of the difficulty of the comment section and because I have to scroll through so many comments to get to the good ones. It’s frustrating. None of the comments left in reply to me were worthy of reply. Just people who like to throw insults around. That is not what I was doing. I like Ron Unz, but his comment section needs work.

    Many years ago, I suggested to El Ron that he simply use a freebie comment engine, such as phpBB, SMF, or AEF, any of which would provide quick access to threads, specific topics, search on keyword, etc.

    Nothing doing. It’s like Charlie Brown and football.

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  178. @Miro23

    Well, I’m really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.
     
    Hopefully, as much as possible of the "discontinuity" will be restricted to the US. In an ideal world the US would close its bases, stop all the "regime change" activities, print a US dollar that corresponds to the US economy and basically mind its own business.

    Too much to hope for, I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without "Empire", foreign bases, "regime change" , a "reserve currency" or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.

    See your point, but the Chinese certainly ARE throwing their weight around the waters near the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries. They are building and will have more and more serious military bases with landing strips on the islands, natural and artificial, throughout those waters.

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    It depends on whether they get Imperial ideas. At the moment they're consolidating their grip on what they regard as already theirs - it hasn't extended into ideas of "Lebensraum" and their military (so far) stays at home.
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  179. DFH says:
    @Anon
    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.

    Britain was willing to share Africa and Asia with France, but not any other European country. Hence the atrocity propaganda.

    There’s very little to back up the absurd figures that are often given for it

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/07/24/mythologies-about-leopolds-congo-free-state/

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    An excerpt:


    Mythologies About Leopold’s Congo Free State
    ...
    an independent council created by Italy, Switzerland and Belgium conducted an ongoing investigation and released periodical reports called The Official Bulletin of the Congo Free State (translation).

    Of course this council did not report extreme genocide going at the behest of Leopold’s government. In fact, they reported that the abuses occurred almost exclusively when FP detachments were sent out WITHOUT a European commander, and that the presence of European commanders was what prevented atrocities and rape.

    (It is interesting to read these bulletins and see just how matter-of-fact they are about it; it’s just assumed that blacks will rape unless kept in order by whites.)

    And in terms of mutilation – chopping off hands and feet – there is zero documentation that that was Leopold’s policy, nor did the investigation find any evidence that it was Leopold’s policy. In fact, the investigation claimed that this was done by indigenous members of the FP, particularly when a European officer was absent.

     

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  180. utu says:
    @manorchurch

    The estimates are pretty good, imo.
     
    Huh-uh. Your ratios are based on multiples, therefore the error is multiplied by the differentials between arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations in the countries you cite for comparison. That is, the comparison is not valid because parameters are grossly unequal.

    Emotional? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. I read your bullshit, and usually I just laugh. You are a fraud -- transparently so.

    So, yes, the emotion is raucous laughter.

    Your ratios are based on multiples, therefore the error is multiplied by the differentials between arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations in the countries you cite for comparison.

    Are you by any chance black? The way you used the words ‘multiples’ and ‘differentials’ ? You made me think of Michael Eric Dyson or this guy:

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    Are you by any chance black? The way you used the words ‘multiples’ and ‘differentials’ ?
     
    Black? You betcha, white boy. Ah be black and proud, mf. Ah be a multiple of blackness, nigga, and differential as all hell. Wuzzat a video link? Cain't see it. Ah is using Netscape version 1.

    Show nigga sum mo' dat real studdistics.

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  181. @utu

    Your ratios are based on multiples, therefore the error is multiplied by the differentials between arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations in the countries you cite for comparison.
     
    Are you by any chance black? The way you used the words 'multiples' and 'differentials' ? You made me think of Michael Eric Dyson or this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ROOi5xagxg

    Are you by any chance black? The way you used the words ‘multiples’ and ‘differentials’ ?

    Black? You betcha, white boy. Ah be black and proud, mf. Ah be a multiple of blackness, nigga, and differential as all hell. Wuzzat a video link? Cain’t see it. Ah is using Netscape version 1.

    Show nigga sum mo’ dat real studdistics.

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  182. JackOH says:
    @Randal
    It has the potential for a massive public order and security problem, though.

    On the other hand, there would be few better ways to raise awareness of the site.

    Up to the owner whether it's worth the grief, I suppose.

    March 15th this year Norman Finkelstein, whose writing appears on these pages, spoke at our local state university. He came, he spoke, he was interviewed, he left. No theatrics.

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  183. Ron Unz says:
    @utu
    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.

    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.

    This is very likely correct, but the magnitude of the difference has often been grossly exaggerated.

    For example, some years ago the mainstream-liberal Migration Policy Institute published a study based on some very dubious statistics claiming that American-born Latinos were 700%(!!!) more likely to be criminal than their foreign-born counterparts. Ironically enough, it was the rightwing/anti-immigrant Center for Immigration Studies that thoroughly debunked such an absurdity.

    Anyway, the crucial empirical fact is that over the last couple of decades the population of prime-crime-age Hispanics has shifted to now become overwhelmingly American-born, yet simultaneously the crime rate of that overall ethnic group has plummeted. So while the difference you noted probably exists, it’s clearly small enough to easily be swamped by various other factors.

    I discussed all these issues at considerable length in my major article as well as follow-up columns, and I’d prefer not to have to regularly repeat myself in comment-threads.

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    I have just found this:

    Crime rises among second-generation immigrants as they assimilate
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

    But recently researchers have posited an alternate theory: Second-generation immigrants are just “catching up” with the rest of us, claims Bianca E. Bersani, a sociologist at the University of Massachusetts-Boston.

    Call it the dark side of assimilation. These second-generation immigrants have become as susceptible to temptation and harmful influences as are other Americans according to Bersani.
     

    This support my pet theory that America demoralizes and leads to criminal behavior that would not occur if the immigrants stayed in their home countries. In case of Mexico and Central America it got more complicate because criminal gangs that originated in the US among Hispanics expanded back to home countries. This is a second order negative effect of emigration from these countries to the US. I am not saying this is America's per se fault but rather cultural difference between modern capitalist system and its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border. It is a high price that many families have to pay.
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  184. roo_ster says:
    @manorchurch

    BTW, Black incarceration rate in the US would be 2275/100k and Whites 397/100k.

    These are back of the envelope estimates.
     
    More like pulling-out-your-ass estimates.

    Incarceration is, statistically, most correlated with enforcement and prosecution. The USA spends money (i.e the government collects substantial revenue for) a substantial degree of enforcement, and for a legal system (i.e. lawyers make money) that prosecutes. Add a penal system that in the last decade has discovered that incarceration, too, can make money for the rich.

    The countries you list don't spend a tenth, relatively speaking, on those highly-profitable institutions of enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration.

    The race stats you seek to assert/define are invalid, meaningless.

    Victim survey stats back up arrest & incarceration data.

    Not sure where utu got his data, but if it is FBI/state arrest/conviction/incarceration rates, suchlike has been corroborated.

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    Victim survey stats back up arrest & incarceration data.
     
    Of course. That is not at issue. Consider that American stats reflect ten times or more the number of arrests per 1000 that a Latin American country would have, for example (keeping in mind that the US has 25% of global total imprisoned). Within that count, the US stats for hispanics and blacks will skew higher, simply as a function of raw numbers. Without a significant effort to normalize the data, accurate comparisons cannot be made of US stats to Latin America stats.

    FBI/state arrest/conviction/incarceration rates, suchlike has been corroborated.

     

    One would hope so, but, again, not the issue. The FBI tables that are published, incidentally, merge hispanic as white. Recently (last year being last I checked), the FBI began to implement some tables that treat hispanic and white domestic crime stats separately. Those tables were a bit more difficult to find.
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  185. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    When I lived in California I formulated the following hypothesis: criminality increases in the 2nd generation. First generation American Mexicans are less criminal than Chicanos. But it was based on anecdotal data only.
     
    This is very likely correct, but the magnitude of the difference has often been grossly exaggerated.

    For example, some years ago the mainstream-liberal Migration Policy Institute published a study based on some very dubious statistics claiming that American-born Latinos were 700%(!!!) more likely to be criminal than their foreign-born counterparts. Ironically enough, it was the rightwing/anti-immigrant Center for Immigration Studies that thoroughly debunked such an absurdity.

    Anyway, the crucial empirical fact is that over the last couple of decades the population of prime-crime-age Hispanics has shifted to now become overwhelmingly American-born, yet simultaneously the crime rate of that overall ethnic group has plummeted. So while the difference you noted probably exists, it's clearly small enough to easily be swamped by various other factors.

    I discussed all these issues at considerable length in my major article as well as follow-up columns, and I'd prefer not to have to regularly repeat myself in comment-threads.

    I have just found this:

    Crime rises among second-generation immigrants as they assimilate

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

    But recently researchers have posited an alternate theory: Second-generation immigrants are just “catching up” with the rest of us, claims Bianca E. Bersani, a sociologist at the University of Massachusetts-Boston.

    Call it the dark side of assimilation. These second-generation immigrants have become as susceptible to temptation and harmful influences as are other Americans according to Bersani.

    This support my pet theory that America demoralizes and leads to criminal behavior that would not occur if the immigrants stayed in their home countries. In case of Mexico and Central America it got more complicate because criminal gangs that originated in the US among Hispanics expanded back to home countries. This is a second order negative effect of emigration from these countries to the US. I am not saying this is America’s per se fault but rather cultural difference between modern capitalist system and its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border. It is a high price that many families have to pay.

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    This support my pet theory that America demoralizes and leads to criminal behavior that would not occur if the immigrants stayed in their home countries.
     
    That's a little bit more of a reasonable premise. There are fundamental cultural differences between the US and Latin America. It goes all the way back to the somewhat overused label of "Conquistador culture"; however, it is a very real factor. The strong take from the weak -- it's engrained; it's seen as a basic factor of human nature, even all nature. Failing strong, there is the backing concept of "aproveita" -- take advantage of, use, cheat, deceive.

    It runs deep.
    , @Anon
    Catholic culture? Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico in 1917 and not completely de criminalized until 1992.

    MS 13 began near MacArthur Park in Los Angeles by Central Americans mistakenly, very mistakenly let in to this country because of a natural disaster. Forget if it was hurricane or earthquake.

    Don’t know why we didn’t just send several hundred million in relief funds to be stolen by the dictators. But we took them in. Maybe the farmers and food industry had another fake labor short age.

    They were gangsters back home, continued their criminal behavior in the US and brought the same behavior back home when they were deported because of their crimes and felonies.

    It’s probably true that it’s the 2nd and 3rd generation that become the criminals. So why import their parents?

    Salinas has been the headquarters of the infamous Del Norte Mexican descent criminal mafia for about 60 years now and even the founders were American born.
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  186. Jeff Deist says: • Website
    @MEH 0910
    Rod Dreher put Eisenhower's reply in a post:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/duty-and-dishonor-the-south-trump/

    Every so often Dreher surprises.

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  187. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rurik

    the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.
     
    Don't know so much about China per se, but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs, but are also, (like so many others) victims of ZUS treachery and villainy and relentless bullying.

    As far as the military ascendancy of the ZUSA, at least as far as I know, China has never terrorized and then burned alive men, women and children like the ZUS government did at Waco. Nor has China committed acts of terror and atrocities against its citizens as elements of our "own" government did on 9/11.

    As an American citizen, I'm far, far more worried about the evils that my "own" government is capable of, than of any rival for world hegemony.

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

    but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs

    LOL Does the name Grozny ring a bell. As for burning people alive ….

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

    Substitute the words Chinese and Beijing for America and Washington, DC, and you see the one-sidedness of your view.

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    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

     

    Substitute the words Chinese and Beijing for America and Washington, DC, and you see the one-sidedness of your view.
     
    it is one-sided, because China is not acting like a fiend on the world's stage, are they?

    Nor is Russia or Iran or Syria or any of the other inoffensive nations and governments currently being menaced by the Fiend in DC. (London, Tel Aviv, et al)

    As an American, I pray for the day the dollar collapses, and the Yuan (or something, anything!) takes over. Not because I believe the Chinese have my best interests at heart, I don't. In fact I suspect that the Chinese, (like most non-white nations) harbors a resentment for the West, and the ZUS imperial Fiend in particular.

    But resentment I can live with. To see the world ruled by people who only resent the West, and would perhaps like to see it reined in a notch, would be refreshing. Because right now the world is ruled by people who hate the West with a psychotic, netherworld insanity.

    I can't be sure of course, but something tells me that if the Chinese were running England, that eleven year old British school girls would not be systematically subjected to Muslim rape gangs. The Chinese may resent the British people, but I doubt they hate them as much as the pedophiles ruling England today do.

    Have the Chinese ever committed an act of genocidal hatred and cruelty to match the Holodomor?

    and for Russia to kill ISIS orcs is hardly what I'd equate to my own government burning alive women and children locked inside a church.

    If Taiwan were recalcitrant in their submission to Beijing, do you imagine that the Chinese might think it would be a good idea to mass-starve Taiwan into submission, perhaps deny their children medicine and clean water, so that hundreds of thousands of them died excruciatingly?

    The Fiend running the West today considers such suffering and death "worth it", even as a half a million children die from such Satanic hatred. Indeed, just as the war hag cackled over Gadhafi, I suspect that in the bowels of their black hearts, most of the vermin running the foreign policy of the Western world actually are giddy over the millions of innocents murdered or maimed by the murderous atrocities of the ZUSA fiend. It bolsters their narcissistic view of themselves as favored by the god of hatred and death they worship.

    Do the Chinese worship a god of racial superiority, tribal hatred and death?

    Do the Chinese celebrate the mass-slaughter of children every year as their most sacred holiday?

    Were the Chinese responsible for the world wars? And the horrors that raged all over Europe and Russia (and China) as a result?

    Were the Chinese responsible for 9/11? And the attempt to use that beyond-heinous crime to plunge this century into a blood spattered, Orwellian hell on earth?

    was it the Chinese who eviscerated the American people's constitutional rights? Who assassinated an American citizen with a drone, and then assassinated his 16 year old son?

    Who passed laws like the NDAA, which gives the Fiend the legal pretest to black-bag any American citizen in the middle of the night, and rendition them off to a black site, never to be heard from again. Was that China, or the Fiend slithering in the halls of Washington, DC (NYC/London/Hollywood/Wall Street/Paris/Berlin and Tel Aviv)?

    I don't think China is running an open torture camp, as least that I know of. I'm sure all governments use torture, but only the Fiend does it so proudly.

    The planet is being menaced today by an unspeakable evil. One that burns women and children alive in a church, because their menfolk didn't submit to its power fast enough.

    One that destroys entire nations willy-nilly.

    One that shoots protestors dead, for the temerity of protesting their permanent occupation by a psychopathic regime. A demonic and blood-soaked fiend that operate with full funding and moral sanction by a government that I'm forced to pay taxes to.

    There is no sunlight between the government of the ZUSA and Israel. Even as Israel murders our sailors and mocks those dying on 9/11, as they laugh and cheer and dance at the spectacle.

    And all of it- the serial atrocities and war crimes and crimes against reason and simple human decency. All of it are a direct manifestation of the Fiend that is running the Western world today (into the depths of depraved suicide)

    Perhaps the Chinese might be close to being as bad as that lot, but it's rather hard to imagine it.
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  188. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @manorchurch

    Well if you’re a total innocent determined to remain in a state of blissful ignorance, by all means accept such a ridiculous proposition. But why do you suppose that the imperatives of power in America are any different from those in China?
     
    Again, it was a question. Are you answering it? You seem unduly focused on your assessment of my intelligence and experience as being inadequate, indeed "ignorant".

    I did but ask.

    Here's another: If one compares the "militaristic" behavior and history of China with the "militaristic" behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and "sanctions"?

    For that matter, can you cite Chinese obfuscation for military aggression that is on a par with the US tendency to write-off aggressive behavior as being righteous defense of stalwart ally "plucky little Israel"? I mean, shucks, just for comparison, f'rinstance?

    Here's another: Have you noticed that China's approach to foreign relations and economic relationships make US foreign policy look as though it was thought-up by a bowling team after ten beers?

    Here's another: China is eating our lunch, isn't it? We owe China money we will never repay -- because we can't. We are getting our economic asses handed to us, and we go right on looking like blitzed Polish miners at an evangelical church picnic. We've got dumbasses like YOU suggesting that it's China, not the US, that's going all apeshit militaristic.

    As a nation, we are confronted by the obvious, by impending and unavoidable disaster. But, what do the dumbasses DO? They whine. They piss and moan. They blame China, or Russia, or Africa, or South America, or Europe.

    We are fucked, Charlie. And we've known for a long, long time how to reverse the process of decay, of imperial decline.

    But, no. Piss. Moan. Whine. Point fingers.

    I did but ask.

    Here’s another: If one compares the “militaristic” behavior and history of China with the “militaristic” behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and “sanctions”?

    Look, I’m not here to recount Chinese history, but suffice it to say, that China had an empire more than a thousand years before the US of A was even thought of, and the Chinese Government has never shown the slightest inclination to pacifism, or gentleness in dealing with enemies and dissidents.

    What you and Rurik seem unable to grasp is that physical force is the basis of state power and no state can exist without access to physical violence, which it naturally justifies in the most Holy and Glorious terms, painting itself victim of traitors within and vile opponents without.

    It’s the same with any nation. The fact that the US routinely goes to war with small countries reflects only the fact that the US is currently the most powerful nation in the world, and that to remain the most powerful nation it must, so the experts at the State Department and the CIA, etc. believe, deal violently with states that resist its will.

    Basically, the rules of power politics are the same for all participants, although the various players have different roles depending on their power, their vulnerabilities, etc.

    You may view the use of force for the attainment of state objectives as an evil but it is a practice that dates back to the earliest civilizations. To single out the US as uniquely evil is simply silly.

    Morally, the US might be held in higher regard by pacifists and vegetarians if it disbanded its armed forces, the FBI, the National Guard and all the other mechanisms for enforcing the will of the government. But on that basis, the United States would not long endure, moreover the prosperity that most American citizens enjoy would be lost as countless aliens from Asia, Africa and Latin America established their own settler states, Muslim, Voodoo, Communist, or whatever, where once American of mostly Christian faith had once ruled.

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    I believe I made a small set of accurate observations with regard to militarism of modern China, versus militarism of modern USA. I also understand that you have no intention of recognizing those.

    Have a nice day.

    , @jacques sheete

    But on that basis, the United States would not long endure...
     
    What version of the US are you trying to discuss here?

    The peace loving, free, industrious and just US of our dreams never existed. You are correct that states are founded on a monopoly of violence and the USA is no exception. Furthermore, the violence got ratcheted up a few notches when it became an empire, and again when it came under the sway of one of the most vicious mafias in the world.

    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit "enduring."
    , @Daniel Chieh
    China doesn't really invade unless your country is named Vietnam, though. The methodology is different, actually; China is much more focused on the use of soft subversion(bribes) and perhaps assassinations, but there's a reason why China wasn't a grand colonizing empire when she did have a chance for it historically.

    For a variety of reasons, China is much more reluctant to use force historically against outside actors. As for internal security, that's a different story but its given the bloody history of some of the actors:


    The rebels engaged in massacres of Han Chinese civilians, especially targeting people affiliated with the KMT and Sheng Shicai.[19] In the "Kulja Declaration" issued on 5 January 1945, the East Turkestan Republic proclaimed that it would "sweep away the Han Chinese", threatening to extract a "blood debt" from the Han. The Declaration also declared that the Republic would seek to especially establish cordial ties with the Soviets.[20] The ETR later deemphasized the anti-Han tone in their official proclamations after they were done massacring most of the Han civilians in their area
     
    Given all that happened, the fact that China only wants to break them culturally is rather generous if you ask me. Fairness would be to return the same music they tried to play.
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  189. @renfro
    Consider yourself well rid of TAC.
    Its nothing anymore.

    And in the future stay away from anything that involves the execrable Rod Dreher.

    The personification of backpfeifengesicht.

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  190. @roo_ster
    Victim survey stats back up arrest & incarceration data.

    Not sure where utu got his data, but if it is FBI/state arrest/conviction/incarceration rates, suchlike has been corroborated.

    Victim survey stats back up arrest & incarceration data.

    Of course. That is not at issue. Consider that American stats reflect ten times or more the number of arrests per 1000 that a Latin American country would have, for example (keeping in mind that the US has 25% of global total imprisoned). Within that count, the US stats for hispanics and blacks will skew higher, simply as a function of raw numbers. Without a significant effort to normalize the data, accurate comparisons cannot be made of US stats to Latin America stats.

    FBI/state arrest/conviction/incarceration rates, suchlike has been corroborated.

    One would hope so, but, again, not the issue. The FBI tables that are published, incidentally, merge hispanic as white. Recently (last year being last I checked), the FBI began to implement some tables that treat hispanic and white domestic crime stats separately. Those tables were a bit more difficult to find.

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  191. @CanSpeccy

    I did but ask.

    Here’s another: If one compares the “militaristic” behavior and history of China with the “militaristic” behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and “sanctions”?
     
    Look, I'm not here to recount Chinese history, but suffice it to say, that China had an empire more than a thousand years before the US of A was even thought of, and the Chinese Government has never shown the slightest inclination to pacifism, or gentleness in dealing with enemies and dissidents.

    What you and Rurik seem unable to grasp is that physical force is the basis of state power and no state can exist without access to physical violence, which it naturally justifies in the most Holy and Glorious terms, painting itself victim of traitors within and vile opponents without.

    It's the same with any nation. The fact that the US routinely goes to war with small countries reflects only the fact that the US is currently the most powerful nation in the world, and that to remain the most powerful nation it must, so the experts at the State Department and the CIA, etc. believe, deal violently with states that resist its will.

    Basically, the rules of power politics are the same for all participants, although the various players have different roles depending on their power, their vulnerabilities, etc.

    You may view the use of force for the attainment of state objectives as an evil but it is a practice that dates back to the earliest civilizations. To single out the US as uniquely evil is simply silly.

    Morally, the US might be held in higher regard by pacifists and vegetarians if it disbanded its armed forces, the FBI, the National Guard and all the other mechanisms for enforcing the will of the government. But on that basis, the United States would not long endure, moreover the prosperity that most American citizens enjoy would be lost as countless aliens from Asia, Africa and Latin America established their own settler states, Muslim, Voodoo, Communist, or whatever, where once American of mostly Christian faith had once ruled.

    I believe I made a small set of accurate observations with regard to militarism of modern China, versus militarism of modern USA. I also understand that you have no intention of recognizing those.

    Have a nice day.

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  192. @utu
    I have just found this:

    Crime rises among second-generation immigrants as they assimilate
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

    But recently researchers have posited an alternate theory: Second-generation immigrants are just “catching up” with the rest of us, claims Bianca E. Bersani, a sociologist at the University of Massachusetts-Boston.

    Call it the dark side of assimilation. These second-generation immigrants have become as susceptible to temptation and harmful influences as are other Americans according to Bersani.
     

    This support my pet theory that America demoralizes and leads to criminal behavior that would not occur if the immigrants stayed in their home countries. In case of Mexico and Central America it got more complicate because criminal gangs that originated in the US among Hispanics expanded back to home countries. This is a second order negative effect of emigration from these countries to the US. I am not saying this is America's per se fault but rather cultural difference between modern capitalist system and its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border. It is a high price that many families have to pay.

    This support my pet theory that America demoralizes and leads to criminal behavior that would not occur if the immigrants stayed in their home countries.

    That’s a little bit more of a reasonable premise. There are fundamental cultural differences between the US and Latin America. It goes all the way back to the somewhat overused label of “Conquistador culture”; however, it is a very real factor. The strong take from the weak — it’s engrained; it’s seen as a basic factor of human nature, even all nature. Failing strong, there is the backing concept of “aproveita” — take advantage of, use, cheat, deceive.

    It runs deep.

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  193. @CanSpeccy

    I did but ask.

    Here’s another: If one compares the “militaristic” behavior and history of China with the “militaristic” behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and “sanctions”?
     
    Look, I'm not here to recount Chinese history, but suffice it to say, that China had an empire more than a thousand years before the US of A was even thought of, and the Chinese Government has never shown the slightest inclination to pacifism, or gentleness in dealing with enemies and dissidents.

    What you and Rurik seem unable to grasp is that physical force is the basis of state power and no state can exist without access to physical violence, which it naturally justifies in the most Holy and Glorious terms, painting itself victim of traitors within and vile opponents without.

    It's the same with any nation. The fact that the US routinely goes to war with small countries reflects only the fact that the US is currently the most powerful nation in the world, and that to remain the most powerful nation it must, so the experts at the State Department and the CIA, etc. believe, deal violently with states that resist its will.

    Basically, the rules of power politics are the same for all participants, although the various players have different roles depending on their power, their vulnerabilities, etc.

    You may view the use of force for the attainment of state objectives as an evil but it is a practice that dates back to the earliest civilizations. To single out the US as uniquely evil is simply silly.

    Morally, the US might be held in higher regard by pacifists and vegetarians if it disbanded its armed forces, the FBI, the National Guard and all the other mechanisms for enforcing the will of the government. But on that basis, the United States would not long endure, moreover the prosperity that most American citizens enjoy would be lost as countless aliens from Asia, Africa and Latin America established their own settler states, Muslim, Voodoo, Communist, or whatever, where once American of mostly Christian faith had once ruled.

    But on that basis, the United States would not long endure…

    What version of the US are you trying to discuss here?

    The peace loving, free, industrious and just US of our dreams never existed. You are correct that states are founded on a monopoly of violence and the USA is no exception. Furthermore, the violence got ratcheted up a few notches when it became an empire, and again when it came under the sway of one of the most vicious mafias in the world.

    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit “enduring.”

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    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit “enduring.”
     
    That's OK with me, I suppose, since I'm not an American, but I doubt if many Americans would appreciate being Third Worldized and quite possibly Islamified if not subordinated to a Chinese Communist Government in Occupation, following the abdication of the existing Imperial Government of the USA.

    But I think you are engaging in virtue signalling of the usual foolish left-wing variety, something that no successor State to that of the Imperial US of A is likely to tolerate.

    Not that I disapprove of your idealism, as idealism. I just think it dangerous nonsense and hopelessly naive.

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  194. @Anon
    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda on a par with using Belgian babies for bayonet practice.

    Britain was willing to share Africa and Asia with France, but not any other European country. Hence the atrocity propaganda.

    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda

    It wasn’t just propaganda, but apparently it’s not quite true like it’s often presented, that is that limbs were chopped off to mutilate living people. The reality seems to have been more like this: The natives enrolled in Leopold’s forces were often sent out on their own to collect tribute. Their superiors didn’t want them to waste ammo for hunting game, so they had to account for pretty much every bullet they used. So they chopped off the hands of people they had killed, to have proof they had used up their ammo for their job.

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    Sorry, I don’t believe a word of the anti German English propaganda and I don’t believe the anti Belgium propaganda either

    Really, 10 years after the Belgians were monsters devouring the helpless Africans, the Belgians were being ruthlessly massacred by the Germans including Belgian babies being used for bayonet practice.

    The continentals had it right when they called Britain Perfidious Albion.
    , @Anon
    Belgium was then and still is one of the biggest small arms manufacturers in the world

    I doubt they needed to save bullets.
    , @Bliss

    it’s not quite true like it’s often presented, that is that limbs were chopped off to mutilate living people......they chopped off the hands of people they had killed, to have proof they had used up their ammo for their job.
     
    Shame on you for trying cover up the Belgian atrocities in Africa. Very typical of your kind:

    https://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/8a-congolese-with-severed-hand.jpg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MutilatedChildrenFromCongo.jpg


    Something very similar, albeit on a smaller scale, happened to the mongoloid natives of Peru:

    http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/1/03/25/36/20140609/ob_8a6513_esclave-amerindiens.jpg


    https://lab.org.uk/the-putumayo-atrocities/

    Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos apologised on 12 October to the indigenous peoples who suffered as a result of the rubber boom more than a century ago......Many of these communities were the victims of the rubber boom and it is believed that at least 100,000 died.....This was the harsh reality of the rubber boom in the South American Amazon, fuelled by the insatiable hunger of the industrial world for the crucial raw material that kept cars and machines going.

    Hardenburg witnessed hunting expeditions to catch Indians, called ‘orrerías, a name inherited from colonial times. Many of the victims of these expeditions looked “thin, cadaverous and attenuated, they looked more like ghosts than human beings”, as he would write later. He found out that in La Chorrera, the headquarters of Arana’s empire, young girls were captured and used as “wives” by his agents.

    The chiefs of sections…all impose upon each Indian the task of delivering 5 arrobas (about 75kg) of rubber every fabrico (a 3-month period). When the time comes to deliver the rubber, these unhappy victims appear with their loads upon their backs, accompanied by their women and children, who help them to carry the rubber. When they reach the section, the rubber is weighed. They know by experience what the needle of the balance should mark, and when it indicates that they have delivered the full amount required, they leap about and laugh with pleasure. When it does not, they throw themselves face downwards on the ground and, in this attitude, await the lash, the bullet or the machete…They are generally given fifty lashes with scourges, until the flesh drops from their bodies in strips, or else are cut to pieces with machetes. This barbarous spectacle takes place before all the rest, among whom are their women and children”.

    “I noticed the food they received, which was given to them once a day, by noon; it consisted of a handful fariña, and a tin of sardines – when there were any – for each group of four Indians, nothing more. And this was to sustain them for twenty-four hours, sixteen of which were spent at the hardest kind of labour!”

    In another occasion, Justice Valcárcel described the kidnap and killing of an Indian woman one of Arana’s henchmen, Bartolomé Zumaeta. “…he took her by force, despite her partner’s protestations and after he had satisfied his carnal desires, he flogged her, chained her and dumped her in a rubber warehouse, where she died days later.”
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  195. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    But on that basis, the United States would not long endure...
     
    What version of the US are you trying to discuss here?

    The peace loving, free, industrious and just US of our dreams never existed. You are correct that states are founded on a monopoly of violence and the USA is no exception. Furthermore, the violence got ratcheted up a few notches when it became an empire, and again when it came under the sway of one of the most vicious mafias in the world.

    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit "enduring."

    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit “enduring.”

    That’s OK with me, I suppose, since I’m not an American, but I doubt if many Americans would appreciate being Third Worldized and quite possibly Islamified if not subordinated to a Chinese Communist Government in Occupation, following the abdication of the existing Imperial Government of the USA.

    But I think you are engaging in virtue signalling of the usual foolish left-wing variety, something that no successor State to that of the Imperial US of A is likely to tolerate.

    Not that I disapprove of your idealism, as idealism. I just think it dangerous nonsense and hopelessly naive.

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    Jacques hates America. You won’t change his mind.
    , @AaronB

    Not that I disapprove of your idealism, as idealism. I just think it dangerous nonsense and hopelessly naive.
     
    It isn't. Its the highest form of realism.

    Its you realists that have no future.
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  196. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anyway, it’s not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding.
     
    I have had several people asking me if you would be interested in organizing a conference, of the sort that Amren organizes (and which the National Policy Institute used to organize, though I'm not sure they are in a position to do any more of them).

    I have limited experience with organizing conferences myself, but from what I know of the transhumanist conference organized by Hank Pellissier, they're not that expensive - sometimes even break even, when ticket sales are successful. In principle I think an Unz.com conference could be successful, especially if the giants such as Steve, Fred, and the Derb agree to speak. Maybe institutions with experience with this e.g. Amren or VDARE will even agree to cooperate.

    Of course there's no point in doing that if you're not interested yourself, and/or if you think the media attention it will be sure to draw is undesirable. As I recall, the last VDARE conference had to be canceled due to SJWs. And we know that the London Conference on Intelligence had to be moved to Denmark this year. So political considerations are also a factor.

    Keep it on the web. Ron may not have the time or inclination to organize one.

    Look what happens to the amren conferences. The hotels are pressured to cancel the reservations and there are all sorts of problems and demonstrations. Plus some of the views and expressions used are sure to draw fire from all the liberal busybodies.

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  197. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda
     
    It wasn't just propaganda, but apparently it's not quite true like it's often presented, that is that limbs were chopped off to mutilate living people. The reality seems to have been more like this: The natives enrolled in Leopold's forces were often sent out on their own to collect tribute. Their superiors didn't want them to waste ammo for hunting game, so they had to account for pretty much every bullet they used. So they chopped off the hands of people they had killed, to have proof they had used up their ammo for their job.

    Sorry, I don’t believe a word of the anti German English propaganda and I don’t believe the anti Belgium propaganda either

    Really, 10 years after the Belgians were monsters devouring the helpless Africans, the Belgians were being ruthlessly massacred by the Germans including Belgian babies being used for bayonet practice.

    The continentals had it right when they called Britain Perfidious Albion.

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  198. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit “enduring.”
     
    That's OK with me, I suppose, since I'm not an American, but I doubt if many Americans would appreciate being Third Worldized and quite possibly Islamified if not subordinated to a Chinese Communist Government in Occupation, following the abdication of the existing Imperial Government of the USA.

    But I think you are engaging in virtue signalling of the usual foolish left-wing variety, something that no successor State to that of the Imperial US of A is likely to tolerate.

    Not that I disapprove of your idealism, as idealism. I just think it dangerous nonsense and hopelessly naive.

    Jacques hates America. You won’t change his mind.

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    Jacques hates America. You won’t change his mind.
     
    It seems Jachques is not the only one who considers America uniquely evil, and even insane.

    Such views, it seems to me, reflect a misunderstanding of the role of conflict in human evolution and the machinery upon which civilizations are built.

    One can believe that in terms of its own interests, the United States has made many poor decisions concerning the use of military force. One can believe that the United States, in its brutal destruction of whole nations, its resort to torture, and its use of banned weapons has so coarsened American society as to insure its own internal disintegration. One can believe that in the quest for global hegemony, the United States serves not the will of the American people, but a tiny globalist elite intent on the genocide of the Western nation states as racial and cultural entities.

    But though I believe each of those propositions, I believe it is entirely mistaken to assume that the United States is uniquely evil in its use of force. Rather the United States differs from other countries in its use of force abroad for the simple reason that it is currently the world's greatest power, the position previously held by the British, the French, the Spanish, the Turks, and so on back to the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, Egyptians ....

    As the world's greatest power since 1945, the US has naturally acted to preserve its dominance and when possible to reinforce it. For Americans, Europeans and some others, America's role has generally been to their advantage, although that advantage to those outside of the US has come at the price of becoming a vassal to the United States.

    For example, in 1945, Germany, Britain and France, great powers of their day, had been reduced in power relative to the US and the USSR to near insignificance. The Communists, intent on global domination ruled the greater part of Eurasia, and were intent on spreading their regime to Vietnam, Korea, Greece, Italy, etc. In Western Europe, there was nothing but the US military to prevent the Soviets from driving to the Atlantic coast. Some in Europe no doubt hoped that the Soviets would do exactly that, but to most in Europe, the American option was preferable.

    In Vietnam and Korea, the devastation wrought by America's anti-Communist stand was surely worse than the outcome it opposed. Yet for the world as a whole, putting an end to Communist expansion must be seen by many to have justified the horrific cost.

    Most controversial if only because it is ongoing and the eventual consequences are unknowable, is America's attempted occupation of the ME. The reason for it is obvious. There are more Arabs than there are Americans, the Arabs and Persians control as huge proportion of the world's energy resources, and under leaders such as Saddam Hussein and Gadhafi, the people of that ME (and n. Africa) have demonstrated the capacity to translate energy income into economic development and actual or potential military power. Hence, Dubya's "Fuck Saddam. We're gonna take him out."

    Was that a good decision? We will never know what the alternative would have been. But it is the kind of decision that all great powers take. In 1914, Russia, with an empire of 22,400,000 square kilometers declared war on Austria-Hungary because Nicholas II wanted to emulate his Romanov ancestors, each of whom ruled a larger empire at their death than at their coronation. Only 25 years later, another Russian ruler embarked on aggressive wars against Finland and Poland and ended up ruling all of Eastern Eur0pe.

    So much for the idea of the peace-loving Russkies. The Russians are very smart people, with the largest contiguous land empire the world has ever seen. It is an empire that expands and contracts and re-expands according to circumstances and the pressures brought to bear upon it. Likewise the Chinese, Persians, the Turks, etc. So there is nothing abnormal about America's use of power. The real issue with which everyone in a democratic American empire should be concerned is the wisdom with which that power is deployed.

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  199. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    That King Leopold’s soldiers chopping off hands was just British propaganda
     
    It wasn't just propaganda, but apparently it's not quite true like it's often presented, that is that limbs were chopped off to mutilate living people. The reality seems to have been more like this: The natives enrolled in Leopold's forces were often sent out on their own to collect tribute. Their superiors didn't want them to waste ammo for hunting game, so they had to account for pretty much every bullet they used. So they chopped off the hands of people they had killed, to have proof they had used up their ammo for their job.

    Belgium was then and still is one of the biggest small arms manufacturers in the world

    I doubt they needed to save bullets.

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    The following is from David van Reybrouck's Congo: The epic history of a people (which seemed generally credible to me):

    The dirty work of collecting these revenues was left to subordinates with rifles. Because their white bosses wanted to be sure that they did not misuse their weapons to hunt for game, they had to account for every round of ammunition. At various places, therefore, there arose the custom of cutting off the right hand of those they had shot and taking it along as proof of what the bullet had been used for. To keep the hands from rotting they were smoked over an open fire, in the same way that food is preserved to this day.
    The tax collector, after all, saw his boss only once every few weeks. During the debriefing he was expected to present the hands as pièces justificatives, as “receipts” for expenses incurred.
    Beginning in 1900 voices began to be raised in Europe against this Belgian ruler who had his employees cut off people’s hands. A few photographs of Congolese with stumps for arms made their way around the world. This resulted in the widespread misconception that living persons were having their hands cut off in Congo on a major scale. That did happen, but much less systematically than most people thought. The greatest ignominy of Leopold’s rubber policies was not that dead people’s hands were cut off, but that the murdering took place so casually. The mutilation of corpses was a secondary effect. That does nothing, however, to detract from the fact that, in a number of cases, the atrocities truly knew no bounds.
     
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  200. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    I have just found this:

    Crime rises among second-generation immigrants as they assimilate
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

    But recently researchers have posited an alternate theory: Second-generation immigrants are just “catching up” with the rest of us, claims Bianca E. Bersani, a sociologist at the University of Massachusetts-Boston.

    Call it the dark side of assimilation. These second-generation immigrants have become as susceptible to temptation and harmful influences as are other Americans according to Bersani.
     

    This support my pet theory that America demoralizes and leads to criminal behavior that would not occur if the immigrants stayed in their home countries. In case of Mexico and Central America it got more complicate because criminal gangs that originated in the US among Hispanics expanded back to home countries. This is a second order negative effect of emigration from these countries to the US. I am not saying this is America's per se fault but rather cultural difference between modern capitalist system and its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border. It is a high price that many families have to pay.

    Catholic culture? Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico in 1917 and not completely de criminalized until 1992.

    MS 13 began near MacArthur Park in Los Angeles by Central Americans mistakenly, very mistakenly let in to this country because of a natural disaster. Forget if it was hurricane or earthquake.

    Don’t know why we didn’t just send several hundred million in relief funds to be stolen by the dictators. But we took them in. Maybe the farmers and food industry had another fake labor short age.

    They were gangsters back home, continued their criminal behavior in the US and brought the same behavior back home when they were deported because of their crimes and felonies.

    It’s probably true that it’s the 2nd and 3rd generation that become the criminals. So why import their parents?

    Salinas has been the headquarters of the infamous Del Norte Mexican descent criminal mafia for about 60 years now and even the founders were American born.

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    Catholic culture? Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico in 1917 and not completely de criminalized until 1992.
     
    What you call as criminalization only applied to some aspects of operation of the Catholic Church and public appearances of priests outside the church. Can you distinguish between state policies and culture or are too dense for it? Was Poland after the WWII communist or Catholic or both? Mexico culturally is Catholic.

    I said that criminal gangs originally started among Chicanos here in the US. Since then they were exported back to Mexico and Central America. The dynamic now is more complicated in terms of flow of criminals and it is really bad in Honduras and El Salvador.
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  201. @Anon
    Belgium was then and still is one of the biggest small arms manufacturers in the world

    I doubt they needed to save bullets.

    The following is from David van Reybrouck’s Congo: The epic history of a people (which seemed generally credible to me):

    The dirty work of collecting these revenues was left to subordinates with rifles. Because their white bosses wanted to be sure that they did not misuse their weapons to hunt for game, they had to account for every round of ammunition. At various places, therefore, there arose the custom of cutting off the right hand of those they had shot and taking it along as proof of what the bullet had been used for. To keep the hands from rotting they were smoked over an open fire, in the same way that food is preserved to this day.
    The tax collector, after all, saw his boss only once every few weeks. During the debriefing he was expected to present the hands as pièces justificatives, as “receipts” for expenses incurred.
    Beginning in 1900 voices began to be raised in Europe against this Belgian ruler who had his employees cut off people’s hands. A few photographs of Congolese with stumps for arms made their way around the world. This resulted in the widespread misconception that living persons were having their hands cut off in Congo on a major scale. That did happen, but much less systematically than most people thought. The greatest ignominy of Leopold’s rubber policies was not that dead people’s hands were cut off, but that the murdering took place so casually. The mutilation of corpses was a secondary effect. That does nothing, however, to detract from the fact that, in a number of cases, the atrocities truly knew no bounds.

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  202. Miro23 says:
    @RadicalCenter
    See your point, but the Chinese certainly ARE throwing their weight around the waters near the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries. They are building and will have more and more serious military bases with landing strips on the islands, natural and artificial, throughout those waters.

    It depends on whether they get Imperial ideas. At the moment they’re consolidating their grip on what they regard as already theirs – it hasn’t extended into ideas of “Lebensraum” and their military (so far) stays at home.

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  203. AaronB says:
    @CanSpeccy

    So, the America of common mythology has not endured, and the current bankrupt, brainwashed, war mongering, monstrosity that we have would do us all a favor if it quit “enduring.”
     
    That's OK with me, I suppose, since I'm not an American, but I doubt if many Americans would appreciate being Third Worldized and quite possibly Islamified if not subordinated to a Chinese Communist Government in Occupation, following the abdication of the existing Imperial Government of the USA.

    But I think you are engaging in virtue signalling of the usual foolish left-wing variety, something that no successor State to that of the Imperial US of A is likely to tolerate.

    Not that I disapprove of your idealism, as idealism. I just think it dangerous nonsense and hopelessly naive.

    Not that I disapprove of your idealism, as idealism. I just think it dangerous nonsense and hopelessly naive.

    It isn’t. Its the highest form of realism.

    Its you realists that have no future.

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  204. @CanSpeccy

    I did but ask.

    Here’s another: If one compares the “militaristic” behavior and history of China with the “militaristic” behavior and history of the USA, which one seems more imperial, more invasive, more disregarding of an entire laundry-list of principles and ideals cited repeatedly by political figures in (rather comical, in retrospect) justification for bombings, invasions, blockades, missile attacks and “sanctions”?
     
    Look, I'm not here to recount Chinese history, but suffice it to say, that China had an empire more than a thousand years before the US of A was even thought of, and the Chinese Government has never shown the slightest inclination to pacifism, or gentleness in dealing with enemies and dissidents.

    What you and Rurik seem unable to grasp is that physical force is the basis of state power and no state can exist without access to physical violence, which it naturally justifies in the most Holy and Glorious terms, painting itself victim of traitors within and vile opponents without.

    It's the same with any nation. The fact that the US routinely goes to war with small countries reflects only the fact that the US is currently the most powerful nation in the world, and that to remain the most powerful nation it must, so the experts at the State Department and the CIA, etc. believe, deal violently with states that resist its will.

    Basically, the rules of power politics are the same for all participants, although the various players have different roles depending on their power, their vulnerabilities, etc.

    You may view the use of force for the attainment of state objectives as an evil but it is a practice that dates back to the earliest civilizations. To single out the US as uniquely evil is simply silly.

    Morally, the US might be held in higher regard by pacifists and vegetarians if it disbanded its armed forces, the FBI, the National Guard and all the other mechanisms for enforcing the will of the government. But on that basis, the United States would not long endure, moreover the prosperity that most American citizens enjoy would be lost as countless aliens from Asia, Africa and Latin America established their own settler states, Muslim, Voodoo, Communist, or whatever, where once American of mostly Christian faith had once ruled.

    China doesn’t really invade unless your country is named Vietnam, though. The methodology is different, actually; China is much more focused on the use of soft subversion(bribes) and perhaps assassinations, but there’s a reason why China wasn’t a grand colonizing empire when she did have a chance for it historically.

    For a variety of reasons, China is much more reluctant to use force historically against outside actors. As for internal security, that’s a different story but its given the bloody history of some of the actors:

    The rebels engaged in massacres of Han Chinese civilians, especially targeting people affiliated with the KMT and Sheng Shicai.[19] In the “Kulja Declaration” issued on 5 January 1945, the East Turkestan Republic proclaimed that it would “sweep away the Han Chinese”, threatening to extract a “blood debt” from the Han. The Declaration also declared that the Republic would seek to especially establish cordial ties with the Soviets.[20] The ETR later deemphasized the anti-Han tone in their official proclamations after they were done massacring most of the Han civilians in their area

    Given all that happened, the fact that China only wants to break them culturally is rather generous if you ask me. Fairness would be to return the same music they tried to play.

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    Well, my strong impression is that Chinese ideological culture greatly emphasizes the notion of a "Sacred Promised Land," and as we can see from the Middle East, this can cause all sorts of serious problems. Except that to the Chinese, the "Sacred Promised Land" is China, and since they're already living there, it isn't much of a issue, except sometimes regarding Taiwan and also some thinly populated border regions (not totally different from Alaska with its Eskimos).

    Isn't this the reason that prior to modern times there was such a strong ideological taboo against Chinese permanently immigrating overseas, with the immigrants often regarded as traitors, and sometimes a major effort made to have their bodies shipped back to their Chinese homeland so they could be buried in the traditional family plot, right next to all their ancestors?

    Anyway, these days China and Russia are both perfectly normal countries, behaving in perfectly normal ways. On the other hand, America is totally insane, which unfortunately leads to "interesting times" for the world as a whole...
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  205. Ron Unz says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    China doesn't really invade unless your country is named Vietnam, though. The methodology is different, actually; China is much more focused on the use of soft subversion(bribes) and perhaps assassinations, but there's a reason why China wasn't a grand colonizing empire when she did have a chance for it historically.

    For a variety of reasons, China is much more reluctant to use force historically against outside actors. As for internal security, that's a different story but its given the bloody history of some of the actors:


    The rebels engaged in massacres of Han Chinese civilians, especially targeting people affiliated with the KMT and Sheng Shicai.[19] In the "Kulja Declaration" issued on 5 January 1945, the East Turkestan Republic proclaimed that it would "sweep away the Han Chinese", threatening to extract a "blood debt" from the Han. The Declaration also declared that the Republic would seek to especially establish cordial ties with the Soviets.[20] The ETR later deemphasized the anti-Han tone in their official proclamations after they were done massacring most of the Han civilians in their area
     
    Given all that happened, the fact that China only wants to break them culturally is rather generous if you ask me. Fairness would be to return the same music they tried to play.

    Well, my strong impression is that Chinese ideological culture greatly emphasizes the notion of a “Sacred Promised Land,” and as we can see from the Middle East, this can cause all sorts of serious problems. Except that to the Chinese, the “Sacred Promised Land” is China, and since they’re already living there, it isn’t much of a issue, except sometimes regarding Taiwan and also some thinly populated border regions (not totally different from Alaska with its Eskimos).

    Isn’t this the reason that prior to modern times there was such a strong ideological taboo against Chinese permanently immigrating overseas, with the immigrants often regarded as traitors, and sometimes a major effort made to have their bodies shipped back to their Chinese homeland so they could be buried in the traditional family plot, right next to all their ancestors?

    Anyway, these days China and Russia are both perfectly normal countries, behaving in perfectly normal ways. On the other hand, America is totally insane, which unfortunately leads to “interesting times” for the world as a whole…

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    I'll say its mostly the Chinese reluctance to use force because its seen as "barbaric" or "low-class." The specific saying is 硬撞硬(hardness hitting hardness) which is seen as being the least clever of all methods, whereas more subtle methods are seen as higher and more celebrated. I don't know how much it applies these days, obviously things have changed a lot.
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  206. Them Guys says:
    @Rurik

    Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race;
     
    been to Zimbabwe lately Mr. Shamir?

    how about S. Africa?

    or, perchance have you heard of Palestine?

    It's true that most Japanese or Icelanders or Samoans have very little preoccupation with race, but it's hard to determine any explanation for that.

    Hmm..

    England, for instance, (nor France, etc..) had any racial problems to speak of only a few decades ago, and now this issue is ripping apart the fabric of those erstwhile homogeneous nations.

    and yet there's just no figuring out why that is...!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/f5DpoBB5ZFNHG/giphy.gif

    Who does her spoolie head hair doo?…..Lawn Boy? or perhaps Toro? and now many dem libs and femcomies are promoting oprah for yet another baboon ape in the white house eh.

    I hope all them white guilted idiots that thought “Maybe if we elect hobammy as us prez, African savages will finally stop anti white racism when they see a black man in worlds top position/job”?

    Have finally realized that to play the African game by black hatred of whites rules is the absolute wrong way to think eh…..Yes it really Is Okay to Be a European derived White Peoples, And Yes indeed it really is no big deal to get called a rayssis or anti-Semite by Americas double whammy two pronged Curses…#1= jewry…#2= African savages.

    If just one half of American white folk would simply Laugh Loudly in the faces and do so publicly, of each African or jew that resorts to such vile name calls, and same goes for when any Shaboz goys use same vile name calls to stifle all speech and shut down all forms truth speak. Them who use those name call tactics would fast fold like a cheep sears & robucks suit.

    Then whites can return to former ways of speak truth and hell with whom ever don’t like it.

    There just cannot still be any where close to as many idiot white voters who elected hobammy after seeing how bad of a us prez he really was eh?

    However, I do credit hobammy for being Americas best ever firearm salesman in the entire history of America and of firearms! Nice to know so many folks see and feel it coming and have prepared for just such a scenario no?

    When that fateful day arrives that anti whitey hatred karma slaps tyrone upside his nappy head and he learns about, Rule.308.

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    whites can return to former ways of speak truth and hell with whom ever don’t like it.
     
    perhaps I was hasty in clicking the 'troll' button.

    I checked your history and you do seem genuine, (if hyperbolic ; ).

    I just wasn't used to your prose, is all.

    Cheers
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  207. Giuseppe says:

    Thanks Ron, I think you have somehow explained something I couldn’t really put my finger on as a former avid TAC reader who as time passed found myself reading Unz more and more, eventually becoming most often read alternate news site. This article for me comes on the heels of recently listening to the excellent interview you gave to Tom Woods, where you explain your philosophy of sifting through the news for truth and thereby show the reason for the Unz review. The thing I remember from that interview, that seems to hold all of these disparate writers and views found on Unz together, is the phrase you used, “nuggets of truth,” to be found even in dubious *conspiracy* theories. The backstory of your time at TAC (you were fired before I started reading it) was fascinating, and the most interesting thing is that in my opinion there is no such thing as a comparable overarching philosophical guiding light that unites TAC’s articles and views. Unz.com allows the reader to discover nuggets of truth in the most unlikely of places, while TAC to me is a patchwork of articles with no apparent guiding or organizing principle. What shabby treatment of the man who kept TAC going. Organizational failure is invariably due to leadership failure, failure at the highest levels, and if TAC is headed for oblivion, it and HRC’s campaign appear to have a lot in common.

    (link to Tom Woods podcast of the Ron Unz interview)

    https://tomwoods.com/ep-1160-our-american-pravda-how-the-media-misleads/

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  208. utu says:
    @Anon
    Catholic culture? Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico in 1917 and not completely de criminalized until 1992.

    MS 13 began near MacArthur Park in Los Angeles by Central Americans mistakenly, very mistakenly let in to this country because of a natural disaster. Forget if it was hurricane or earthquake.

    Don’t know why we didn’t just send several hundred million in relief funds to be stolen by the dictators. But we took them in. Maybe the farmers and food industry had another fake labor short age.

    They were gangsters back home, continued their criminal behavior in the US and brought the same behavior back home when they were deported because of their crimes and felonies.

    It’s probably true that it’s the 2nd and 3rd generation that become the criminals. So why import their parents?

    Salinas has been the headquarters of the infamous Del Norte Mexican descent criminal mafia for about 60 years now and even the founders were American born.

    Catholic culture? Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico in 1917 and not completely de criminalized until 1992.

    What you call as criminalization only applied to some aspects of operation of the Catholic Church and public appearances of priests outside the church. Can you distinguish between state policies and culture or are too dense for it? Was Poland after the WWII communist or Catholic or both? Mexico culturally is Catholic.

    I said that criminal gangs originally started among Chicanos here in the US. Since then they were exported back to Mexico and Central America. The dynamic now is more complicated in terms of flow of criminals and it is really bad in Honduras and El Salvador.

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    utu:

    The Cristero War (1926-29) was the heartfelt response of the Mexican peasantry to what you so blithely dismissed as "criminalization [which] only applied to some aspects of operations of the Catholic Church and public appearances of priests outside the church".
    , @Hibernian
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiada_(film)

    English title: For Greater Glory
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  209. Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz

    Also interesting is that you dropped $3mil essentially just to have a “real” publishing platform for your own opinions.
     
    Actually, as I'd tried to indicate in my article, I'd been publisher of TAC for nearly seven years, and until the last year or two had written virtually nothing for the publication (I was much too busy with my own work). Ironically enough, the overwhelming majority of my funding occurred during that earlier period, which is also when I'd also been full owner, before converting it into a non-profit in (largely forlorn) hopes of attracting other major donors.

    But like an earlier commenter, I’m now wondering how long this vanity project will continue.
     
    Frankly, the total operating budget of The Review is so small by comparison, I can't see why I wouldn't continue it almost indefinitely, especially now that I may now finally---finally!---be able to start writing once again. Anyway, I'm certainly quite pleased with how it's been doing.

    Will you be writing articles regularly in the future from now on? You have been on quite a long hiatus.
    Do you have any more unpublished papers on antiquity? I quite enjoyed ‘The Spartan Naval Empire’ and later cited it for my own work.

    Regarding the site, do you have any plans of inviting/taking-on any more columnists? I think Robert Fisk would fit very well here, a middle-east correspondent of personal integrity and a fluent Arabist. As of right now one can only read him in The Independent which today is about on the same quality level as The Guardian.

    I assume you’re familiar with him already, but if not:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk

    On chlorine attack:

    1993 documentary:

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    Will you be writing articles regularly in the future from now on? You have been on quite a long hiatus.
    Do you have any more unpublished papers on antiquity? I quite enjoyed ‘The Spartan Naval Empire’ and later cited it for my own work.
     
    I'm utterly *astonished* that someone actually read, let alone *cited*, my unpublished Spartan Naval Empire thesis from 35+ years ago. I did publish those four other Classical History papers a couple of years afterward, but I'm afraid that I then totally abandoned that field, along with Theoretical Physics, decades ago.

    However, I very much do hope that my "long hiatus" is now over and I'll now be able to get back into regular writing mode since my software development cycle is (knock wood) largely completed. There's a whole long list of articles I've been meaning to write up for many years, in some cases drawing upon my UNZ.org content-archives, and maybe now I'll finally be able to do so.
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  210. Yevardian says:
    @Mishima Zaibatsu

    Not being an American, I do not understand Americans’ preoccupation with race; while the US foreign policy is very important for us non-Americans.
     
    Steve Sailer's blog has been eye-opening to me as an outsider to how the U.S. elites use race in a way which seems designed to engineer and encourage maximum resentment towards white Americans.

    I read this stuff with horror over the years, feeling grateful that such ruthlessly effective divide and conquer tactics were largely absent from public discourse in Britain and (foolishly) believing that it wouldn't stand here.

    Sadly since then, we have seemingly imported the whole kit and caboodle of race war nonsense, which has been made more dangerous in that it has received full backing from the state, with our "Conservative" government creating a race differences database and demanding all inequalities between groups be eliminated.

    Assuming you are Japanese, what groups of importance are there? I hardly think a few Ainu, Ryukans or 5th-generation Koreans could stir up much internal unrest.

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    "Mishima Zaibatsu" is a video game reference. He's talking about the UK.
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  211. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have been preoccupied with mortality for a while and didn’t make it very clear in that paragraph although I mentioned how the local foundations have strayed so far from their benefactors’ own politics. I can’t see Unz.com for example outliving Ron Unz
     
    Well, I'm really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there's a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) "discontinuity" of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Given that you are able to run Unz.com on a shoestring, do you think it could do much better with more funding?
     
    Well, it's difficult to believe any billionaire-type would be willing to pump an ocean of funding into this publication without also requiring control, and the last time I tried something like that at TAC it didn't really work out so well.

    Anyway, it's not entirely obvious to me what I would do with such huge funding. Maybe I could buy lots of Facebook ads, but pretty quickly Facebook would come under heavy pressure to ban them. I suppose I could raid the staff of Daily Stormer and Marxists.org, but I'm not sure they'd get along that well.

    One thing I've learned from my decades of involvement in political campaigns is that there's only a very slight correlation between financial inputs and political impact outputs, with effective strategy being enormously more important.

    Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.

    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?

    Say what you will about his other beliefs, but Professor Bryan Caplan, your old debate opponent, has a very interesting practice of making bets on ideas with people he disagrees with, in the tradition of the Paul Ehrlich/Julian Simon bet about resource prices. This ferrets out genuine belief from unfounded speculation.

    So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?

    I really dislike this kind of “just you wait!” doomsaying, because it can never be proven wrong—the postulated collapse is always just around the next corner, never mind all the previous times that the collapse didn’t happen.

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    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?...So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?
     
    Not really. Basically, this is one example of the sort of thing I mean:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ok-so-abramovich-is-an-israeli-agent-at-least-he-doesnt-head-a-state-owned-bank/#comment-2349986

    There are lots of possible examples of the sort of major "discontinuity" I'm talking about. For example, World War III breaking out. Or Trump being assassinated followed by the imposition of Martial Law. Or the U.S. economy collapsing leading to a popular revolution and the massacre or flight of most of America's ruling elites.

    Add up all those sorts of individual cases, and I'd say the aggregate likelihood is far greater than I'd like. That's why I'm not worried too much about the longevity of my website....
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  212. Ron Unz says:
    @Yevardian
    Will you be writing articles regularly in the future from now on? You have been on quite a long hiatus.
    Do you have any more unpublished papers on antiquity? I quite enjoyed 'The Spartan Naval Empire' and later cited it for my own work.

    Regarding the site, do you have any plans of inviting/taking-on any more columnists? I think Robert Fisk would fit very well here, a middle-east correspondent of personal integrity and a fluent Arabist. As of right now one can only read him in The Independent which today is about on the same quality level as The Guardian.

    I assume you're familiar with him already, but if not:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk
    On chlorine attack:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd4Euuq0iF8
    1993 documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDoyxzRlgE

    Will you be writing articles regularly in the future from now on? You have been on quite a long hiatus.
    Do you have any more unpublished papers on antiquity? I quite enjoyed ‘The Spartan Naval Empire’ and later cited it for my own work.

    I’m utterly *astonished* that someone actually read, let alone *cited*, my unpublished Spartan Naval Empire thesis from 35+ years ago. I did publish those four other Classical History papers a couple of years afterward, but I’m afraid that I then totally abandoned that field, along with Theoretical Physics, decades ago.

    However, I very much do hope that my “long hiatus” is now over and I’ll now be able to get back into regular writing mode since my software development cycle is (knock wood) largely completed. There’s a whole long list of articles I’ve been meaning to write up for many years, in some cases drawing upon my UNZ.org content-archives, and maybe now I’ll finally be able to do so.

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  213. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.
     
    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?

    Say what you will about his other beliefs, but Professor Bryan Caplan, your old debate opponent, has a very interesting practice of making bets on ideas with people he disagrees with, in the tradition of the Paul Ehrlich/Julian Simon bet about resource prices. This ferrets out genuine belief from unfounded speculation.

    So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?

    I really dislike this kind of "just you wait!" doomsaying, because it can never be proven wrong---the postulated collapse is always just around the next corner, never mind all the previous times that the collapse didn't happen.

    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?…So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?

    Not really. Basically, this is one example of the sort of thing I mean:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ok-so-abramovich-is-an-israeli-agent-at-least-he-doesnt-head-a-state-owned-bank/#comment-2349986

    There are lots of possible examples of the sort of major “discontinuity” I’m talking about. For example, World War III breaking out. Or Trump being assassinated followed by the imposition of Martial Law. Or the U.S. economy collapsing leading to a popular revolution and the massacre or flight of most of America’s ruling elites.

    Add up all those sorts of individual cases, and I’d say the aggregate likelihood is far greater than I’d like. That’s why I’m not worried too much about the longevity of my website….

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    Ron, for a sub-cataclysmic discontinuity, I'll go with a rectification or normalization of American health care distribution.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Incidentally, I was thinking along similar lines in 2010-11. Now I consider e.g. this article to be rather embarrassing in hindsight. :)

    Incidentally, pictures from old posts no longer seem to show up.

    If the US is to collapse, my best guess now is that it will occur due to some sort of political fracturing. Peter Turchin projects a cyclical peak in instability around the 2020s. Thorfinnsson or Greasy can generate a plausible scenario.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    I have 2 questions.

    1. What are your thoughts on the inflation rate? Given the rapid increase in the cost of living (housing, tuition, healthcare), do you think inflation is being vastly underestimated? If yes, what are the implications of this? In 1980 and again in the early 90s, adjustments were made to how the inflation rate was calculated, which lowered the inflation rate substantially. Under the pre-1980 calculation method, the inflation rate would be much higher. What do you think about this change in calculation methodology?

    2. What's your opinion of PPP vs nominal GDP? Do you think PPP is a legitimate adjustment or an unneeded adjustment? Do you think that when comparing the relative economic strengths of 2 nations, PPP or nominal GDP (per capita) should be utilized?

    Thanks.
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  214. JackOH says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?...So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?
     
    Not really. Basically, this is one example of the sort of thing I mean:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ok-so-abramovich-is-an-israeli-agent-at-least-he-doesnt-head-a-state-owned-bank/#comment-2349986

    There are lots of possible examples of the sort of major "discontinuity" I'm talking about. For example, World War III breaking out. Or Trump being assassinated followed by the imposition of Martial Law. Or the U.S. economy collapsing leading to a popular revolution and the massacre or flight of most of America's ruling elites.

    Add up all those sorts of individual cases, and I'd say the aggregate likelihood is far greater than I'd like. That's why I'm not worried too much about the longevity of my website....

    Ron, for a sub-cataclysmic discontinuity, I’ll go with a rectification or normalization of American health care distribution.

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  215. vinteuil says:
    @jacques sheete

    So go find your Lizavéta Ivánovna and crack her head open with an axe, to prove your superiority to all us lesser folk, why don’t you.
     
    Well, dear superiority monitor, please reread the comment I was responding to and argue that it wasn't composed as a sneer, and wasn't meant to signal the author's imagined superiority.

    Tsk, tsk.

    Come to think of it, if you were a character in a Dostoevsky novel, you wouldn’t be Raskolnikov. You’d be Doctorenko.

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  216. bjdubbs says:

    What was the motivation for management to overpay employees? I get that management wanted to grow and didn’t want to admit mistakes but can’t figure out the reason for overpaying by 5x or whatever it was.

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  217. @CanSpeccy

    I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without “Empire”, foreign bases, “regime change” , a “reserve currency” or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.
     
    They're biding their time.

    First, they overtook the US in industrial output. Now their "defense" spending is growing exponentially. as they race for AI military superiority over US, and overall military superiority. You may yet come to look back whistfully on Trump's quest to make America great again.

    Please seek medical advice.

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  218. @Miro23

    Well, I’m really not that old and (as far as I know) in perfect health. Personally, I think there’s a far greater likelihood that American society would first experience a sufficiently large (negative) “discontinuity” of some possible type as to immediately render all the material on this website absolutely moot.
     
    Hopefully, as much as possible of the "discontinuity" will be restricted to the US. In an ideal world the US would close its bases, stop all the "regime change" activities, print a US dollar that corresponds to the US economy and basically mind its own business.

    Too much to hope for, I know, but we have the example of China, that is doing well without "Empire", foreign bases, "regime change" , a "reserve currency" or throwing its weight around. And they do it all while being quite comfortable with Chinese nationalism.

    Based on the UNCLOS agreements — the assessment about Empire and how the operate chinese operate is premature

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  219. @Eagle Eye
    Thanks, Mr. Unz. for a detailed look at the inner workings of the "conservative" publishing ecosystem.

    As other commenters have noted, the world is better off with Ron Unz liberated from the strictures of an organization such as TAC.

    As other commenters have noted, the world is better off with Ron Unz liberated from the strictures of an organization such as TAC.

    Unz unbound!

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  220. @renfro
    Agree.
    One important, maybe the most important, distinction between unz and TAC and others in the 'debates' of all things is..... unz doesn't do 'censorship'.
    While true we can see a lot of unsavory language and ideas I believe in letting a commenters words say who and what they are and letting others agree or argue or condemn or praise their ideas and beliefs.

    TAC is too much like the liberal snowflakes in censoring anything that challenges one of their writers. Case in point is Andrew Bacevich who sometimes appears at unz and who in my opinion is just a self serving pussy interested in keeping his articles out there by leaning whichever way he thinks the msm pc wind is blowing. He published on TAC a article that was a letter to the Superintendent of West Point telling him all references to General Lee (Confederate General) should be purged from West Point because Lee was a traitor and 'worse than Benedict Arnold .
    I challenged that by posting the following;.....which TAC deleted within 30 minutes. When I tried to post it again it was again removed and I was banned.

    August 1, 1960
    Mr. Dwight D. Eisenhower
    White House
    Washington, D.C.

    Dear Mr. President:

    At the Republication Convention I heard you mention that you have the pictures of four (4) great Americans in your office, and that included in these is a picture of Robert E. Lee.
    I do not understand how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, and why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.
    The most outstanding thing that Robert E. Lee did, was to devote his best efforts to the destruction of the United States Government, and I am sure that you do not say that a person who tries to destroy our Government is worthy of being held as one of our heroes.
    Will you please tell me just why you hold him in such high esteem?

    Sincerely yours,
    Leon W. Scott

    Despite undoubtedly having more important things to do as president, Eisenhower must have felt his answer was of such importance that he took the time to send Dr. Scott the following reply from the White House:

    August 9, 1960

    Dear Dr. Scott:

    Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

    General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

    From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
    Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

    Sincerely,
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

    General E Lee by all accounts was quite the leader —-

    until he betrayed his country. Making war on the US was traitorous act and no amount of whining about southern loyalty is going to change that. And that traitorous act — is applicable to every confederate who took up arms against their fellow citizens.

    excuse my political incorrectness

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    General Washington by all accounts was quite the leader —-

    until he betrayed his country.
     
    FTFY
    , @Daniel Chieh
    He was quite loyal to Virginia.
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  221. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs
     
    LOL Does the name Grozny ring a bell. As for burning people alive ....

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

     

    Substitute the words Chinese and Beijing for America and Washington, DC, and you see the one-sidedness of your view.

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

    Substitute the words Chinese and Beijing for America and Washington, DC, and you see the one-sidedness of your view.

    it is one-sided, because China is not acting like a fiend on the world’s stage, are they?

    Nor is Russia or Iran or Syria or any of the other inoffensive nations and governments currently being menaced by the Fiend in DC. (London, Tel Aviv, et al)

    As an American, I pray for the day the dollar collapses, and the Yuan (or something, anything!) takes over. Not because I believe the Chinese have my best interests at heart, I don’t. In fact I suspect that the Chinese, (like most non-white nations) harbors a resentment for the West, and the ZUS imperial Fiend in particular.

    But resentment I can live with. To see the world ruled by people who only resent the West, and would perhaps like to see it reined in a notch, would be refreshing. Because right now the world is ruled by people who hate the West with a psychotic, netherworld insanity.

    I can’t be sure of course, but something tells me that if the Chinese were running England, that eleven year old British school girls would not be systematically subjected to Muslim rape gangs. The Chinese may resent the British people, but I doubt they hate them as much as the pedophiles ruling England today do.

    Have the Chinese ever committed an act of genocidal hatred and cruelty to match the Holodomor?

    and for Russia to kill ISIS orcs is hardly what I’d equate to my own government burning alive women and children locked inside a church.

    If Taiwan were recalcitrant in their submission to Beijing, do you imagine that the Chinese might think it would be a good idea to mass-starve Taiwan into submission, perhaps deny their children medicine and clean water, so that hundreds of thousands of them died excruciatingly?

    The Fiend running the West today considers such suffering and death “worth it”, even as a half a million children die from such Satanic hatred. Indeed, just as the war hag cackled over Gadhafi, I suspect that in the bowels of their black hearts, most of the vermin running the foreign policy of the Western world actually are giddy over the millions of innocents murdered or maimed by the murderous atrocities of the ZUSA fiend. It bolsters their narcissistic view of themselves as favored by the god of hatred and death they worship.

    Do the Chinese worship a god of racial superiority, tribal hatred and death?

    Do the Chinese celebrate the mass-slaughter of children every year as their most sacred holiday?

    Were the Chinese responsible for the world wars? And the horrors that raged all over Europe and Russia (and China) as a result?

    Were the Chinese responsible for 9/11? And the attempt to use that beyond-heinous crime to plunge this century into a blood spattered, Orwellian hell on earth?

    was it the Chinese who eviscerated the American people’s constitutional rights? Who assassinated an American citizen with a drone, and then assassinated his 16 year old son?

    Who passed laws like the NDAA, which gives the Fiend the legal pretest to black-bag any American citizen in the middle of the night, and rendition them off to a black site, never to be heard from again. Was that China, or the Fiend slithering in the halls of Washington, DC (NYC/London/Hollywood/Wall Street/Paris/Berlin and Tel Aviv)?

    I don’t think China is running an open torture camp, as least that I know of. I’m sure all governments use torture, but only the Fiend does it so proudly.

    The planet is being menaced today by an unspeakable evil. One that burns women and children alive in a church, because their menfolk didn’t submit to its power fast enough.

    One that destroys entire nations willy-nilly.

    One that shoots protestors dead, for the temerity of protesting their permanent occupation by a psychopathic regime. A demonic and blood-soaked fiend that operate with full funding and moral sanction by a government that I’m forced to pay taxes to.

    There is no sunlight between the government of the ZUSA and Israel. Even as Israel murders our sailors and mocks those dying on 9/11, as they laugh and cheer and dance at the spectacle.

    And all of it- the serial atrocities and war crimes and crimes against reason and simple human decency. All of it are a direct manifestation of the Fiend that is running the Western world today (into the depths of depraved suicide)

    Perhaps the Chinese might be close to being as bad as that lot, but it’s rather hard to imagine it.

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  222. @Ron Unz

    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?...So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?
     
    Not really. Basically, this is one example of the sort of thing I mean:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ok-so-abramovich-is-an-israeli-agent-at-least-he-doesnt-head-a-state-owned-bank/#comment-2349986

    There are lots of possible examples of the sort of major "discontinuity" I'm talking about. For example, World War III breaking out. Or Trump being assassinated followed by the imposition of Martial Law. Or the U.S. economy collapsing leading to a popular revolution and the massacre or flight of most of America's ruling elites.

    Add up all those sorts of individual cases, and I'd say the aggregate likelihood is far greater than I'd like. That's why I'm not worried too much about the longevity of my website....

    Incidentally, I was thinking along similar lines in 2010-11. Now I consider e.g. this article to be rather embarrassing in hindsight. :)

    Incidentally, pictures from old posts no longer seem to show up.

    If the US is to collapse, my best guess now is that it will occur due to some sort of political fracturing. Peter Turchin projects a cyclical peak in instability around the 2020s. Thorfinnsson or Greasy can generate a plausible scenario.

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    Incidentally, I was thinking along similar lines in 2010-11. Now I consider e.g. this article to be rather embarrassing in hindsight.
     
    Actually, I'd published a major 2012 article also laying out some very negative trends:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    I think the two biggest factors that at least delayed the looming US disaster I was projecting were (1) the fracking revolution and (2) the astonishing global success of Apple, Google, Facebook, and other US tech companies.

    Without fracking, "Peak Oil" might really have happened, at least in the sense of prices being very high, enormously adding to the trade deficit and the economic stress on ordinary Americans. But even more importantly, the sudden impact of fracking helped to reestablish America's "aura of invincibility," thereby making other countries more willing to ignore our gigantic problems and deficits. I think that was also the biggest impact of the tech triumph.

    Given our gigantic deficits, totally insane international policies, and domestic impoverishment, I think about all that keeps America afloat is our "reputation." That's why I believe that any sudden, unexpected calamity could "puncture the bubble" and lead to some sort of very serious domestic "discontinuity"...

    Incidentally, pictures from old posts no longer seem to show up.
     
    I fixed that bug and finished regenerated all your cached pages; now I'm doing the same with the all the others.
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  223. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    General E Lee by all accounts was quite the leader ----


    until he betrayed his country. Making war on the US was traitorous act and no amount of whining about southern loyalty is going to change that. And that traitorous act -- is applicable to every confederate who took up arms against their fellow citizens.



    excuse my political incorrectness

    General Washington by all accounts was quite the leader —-

    until he betrayed his country.

    FTFY

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    Laugh ---- i will take that bait this far,


    I doubt you want to hear my views of the revolution and the traitors that engaged it.

    , @Hibernian
    He won.
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  224. Rurik says:
    @Them Guys
    Who does her spoolie head hair doo?.....Lawn Boy? or perhaps Toro? and now many dem libs and femcomies are promoting oprah for yet another baboon ape in the white house eh.

    I hope all them white guilted idiots that thought "Maybe if we elect hobammy as us prez, African savages will finally stop anti white racism when they see a black man in worlds top position/job"?


    Have finally realized that to play the African game by black hatred of whites rules is the absolute wrong way to think eh.....Yes it really Is Okay to Be a European derived White Peoples, And Yes indeed it really is no big deal to get called a rayssis or anti-Semite by Americas double whammy two pronged Curses...#1= jewry…#2= African savages.


    If just one half of American white folk would simply Laugh Loudly in the faces and do so publicly, of each African or jew that resorts to such vile name calls, and same goes for when any Shaboz goys use same vile name calls to stifle all speech and shut down all forms truth speak. Them who use those name call tactics would fast fold like a cheep sears & robucks suit.


    Then whites can return to former ways of speak truth and hell with whom ever don't like it.


    There just cannot still be any where close to as many idiot white voters who elected hobammy after seeing how bad of a us prez he really was eh?


    However, I do credit hobammy for being Americas best ever firearm salesman in the entire history of America and of firearms! Nice to know so many folks see and feel it coming and have prepared for just such a scenario no?


    When that fateful day arrives that anti whitey hatred karma slaps tyrone upside his nappy head and he learns about, Rule.308.

    whites can return to former ways of speak truth and hell with whom ever don’t like it.

    perhaps I was hasty in clicking the ‘troll’ button.

    I checked your history and you do seem genuine, (if hyperbolic ; ).

    I just wasn’t used to your prose, is all.

    Cheers

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  225. @Anon

    General Washington by all accounts was quite the leader —-

    until he betrayed his country.
     
    FTFY

    Laugh —- i will take that bait this far,

    I doubt you want to hear my views of the revolution and the traitors that engaged it.

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    I probably agree with you to an extent. I'm not sure which side I would have come down on, had I been alive then. I tend to favor the Loyalists a bit, but I can't help but admire many of the Patriots.
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  226. @Ron Unz
    Well, my strong impression is that Chinese ideological culture greatly emphasizes the notion of a "Sacred Promised Land," and as we can see from the Middle East, this can cause all sorts of serious problems. Except that to the Chinese, the "Sacred Promised Land" is China, and since they're already living there, it isn't much of a issue, except sometimes regarding Taiwan and also some thinly populated border regions (not totally different from Alaska with its Eskimos).

    Isn't this the reason that prior to modern times there was such a strong ideological taboo against Chinese permanently immigrating overseas, with the immigrants often regarded as traitors, and sometimes a major effort made to have their bodies shipped back to their Chinese homeland so they could be buried in the traditional family plot, right next to all their ancestors?

    Anyway, these days China and Russia are both perfectly normal countries, behaving in perfectly normal ways. On the other hand, America is totally insane, which unfortunately leads to "interesting times" for the world as a whole...

    I’ll say its mostly the Chinese reluctance to use force because its seen as “barbaric” or “low-class.” The specific saying is 硬撞硬(hardness hitting hardness) which is seen as being the least clever of all methods, whereas more subtle methods are seen as higher and more celebrated. I don’t know how much it applies these days, obviously things have changed a lot.

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  227. @EliteCommInc.
    General E Lee by all accounts was quite the leader ----


    until he betrayed his country. Making war on the US was traitorous act and no amount of whining about southern loyalty is going to change that. And that traitorous act -- is applicable to every confederate who took up arms against their fellow citizens.



    excuse my political incorrectness

    He was quite loyal to Virginia.

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  228. The problem with the crime stats is not the stats (usually).

    it’s their value to describing an entire population — it’s vastly overgeneralized. Even the proportionality argument is not a standard that can accurately demonstrate what is accurate for the populations in general, unless more direct evidence is available

    And in the case of sociopathy, if one can locate similar patterns among other population even if it across time and place —

    That challenges the conclusions. If one insists their conclusions are fact, based on counter interpretations based on the same qualitative standards, then people might see your motive as suspect — therein lies the problem with numbers to meaning — especially as it relates to sociological factors.

    If 98% of the population you claim is not affiliated with you conclusions — you have a problem, you might even get pushback.

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    Let us know if you think the same thing after you take a beat down from a POC.
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  229. @Rurik

    the Russians, the Iranians, whoever, are all innocent as lambs.
     
    Don't know so much about China per se, but Russia (under Putin) and Iran (for the last two hundred years anyways) are not just innocent as lambs, but are also, (like so many others) victims of ZUS treachery and villainy and relentless bullying.

    As far as the military ascendancy of the ZUSA, at least as far as I know, China has never terrorized and then burned alive men, women and children like the ZUS government did at Waco. Nor has China committed acts of terror and atrocities against its citizens as elements of our "own" government did on 9/11.

    As an American citizen, I'm far, far more worried about the evils that my "own" government is capable of, than of any rival for world hegemony.

    As an American citizen, the only government I fear is in Washington, DC.

    You liar, you. Persia attacked Russia in 1826 (I think it was- don’t remember exactly, I was very young) to, vainly, attempt to retake a couple of northern provinces taken by the Russians . Less than 100 years ago during which the rest of the globe has enjoyed the tranquility of pax americana.

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    1826 ... Less than 100 years ago..
     
    math is not your specialty, I'm guessing

    during which the rest of the globe has enjoyed the tranquility of pax americana.
     
    sarcasm?
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  230. @Ron Unz

    Ron, is there some sort of specific, testable prediction you would make here?...So, would you take a bet with someone, or at least make a public prediction, on the odds of American society suffering some sort of catastrophe within the next 15 years or so?
     
    Not really. Basically, this is one example of the sort of thing I mean:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ok-so-abramovich-is-an-israeli-agent-at-least-he-doesnt-head-a-state-owned-bank/#comment-2349986

    There are lots of possible examples of the sort of major "discontinuity" I'm talking about. For example, World War III breaking out. Or Trump being assassinated followed by the imposition of Martial Law. Or the U.S. economy collapsing leading to a popular revolution and the massacre or flight of most of America's ruling elites.

    Add up all those sorts of individual cases, and I'd say the aggregate likelihood is far greater than I'd like. That's why I'm not worried too much about the longevity of my website....

    I have 2 questions.

    1. What are your thoughts on the inflation rate? Given the rapid increase in the cost of living (housing, tuition, healthcare), do you think inflation is being vastly underestimated? If yes, what are the implications of this? In 1980 and again in the early 90s, adjustments were made to how the inflation rate was calculated, which lowered the inflation rate substantially. Under the pre-1980 calculation method, the inflation rate would be much higher. What do you think about this change in calculation methodology?

    2. What’s your opinion of PPP vs nominal GDP? Do you think PPP is a legitimate adjustment or an unneeded adjustment? Do you think that when comparing the relative economic strengths of 2 nations, PPP or nominal GDP (per capita) should be utilized?

    Thanks.

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    1. What are your thoughts on the inflation rate?
     
    I'm no economic expert, but I do think the effective inflation rate is indeed often being severely underestimated, which obviously impacts the true standard of living.

    2. What’s your opinion of PPP vs nominal GDP?
     
    And I very strongly support PPP rather than nominal GDP for most important purposes. I think it's very clear that China's total GDP surpassed that of America some years ago, and continues to zoom farther ahead, though you'd never know that from our totally dishonest MSM.

    Furthermore, I believe that a good portion of the US GDP is basically "fictional," namely financial services transactions that have no reality, totally corrupt "national defense," and our massively inefficient health care system, arguably about the worst in the world on a per-dollar basis. The more money it wastes, the higher our GDP.

    I'm sure that the old Soviets had lots of complex ways of proving how great their agricultural system was. These days, our own country is similarly run by its Ministry of Propaganda.
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  231. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Laugh ---- i will take that bait this far,


    I doubt you want to hear my views of the revolution and the traitors that engaged it.

    I probably agree with you to an extent. I’m not sure which side I would have come down on, had I been alive then. I tend to favor the Loyalists a bit, but I can’t help but admire many of the Patriots.

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    here i tread lightly,


    i have already deeply wounded the sensibilities who see the founders through a lens of 'utopic' magnifying glasses ---

    I need to allow the dust to settle before plowing ahead.
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  232. Rurik says:
    @Bill jones
    You liar, you. Persia attacked Russia in 1826 (I think it was- don't remember exactly, I was very young) to, vainly, attempt to retake a couple of northern provinces taken by the Russians . Less than 100 years ago during which the rest of the globe has enjoyed the tranquility of pax americana.

    1826 … Less than 100 years ago..

    math is not your specialty, I’m guessing

    during which the rest of the globe has enjoyed the tranquility of pax americana.

    sarcasm?

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    I'm pretty sure he's trying to mimick a bot.
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  233. @Anon
    I probably agree with you to an extent. I'm not sure which side I would have come down on, had I been alive then. I tend to favor the Loyalists a bit, but I can't help but admire many of the Patriots.

    here i tread lightly,

    i have already deeply wounded the sensibilities who see the founders through a lens of ‘utopic’ magnifying glasses —

    I need to allow the dust to settle before plowing ahead.

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    i have already deeply wounded the sensibilities who see the founders through a lens of ‘utopic’ magnifying glasses —
     
    Oh, don't be coy. Or do it better.

    What was written in the history books with respect to the War of Separation was a product of media consensus -- over time, and distilled into the contemporary presentation given each generation in the textbooks provided to public schools. Thus, the Boomer generation was regaled with tales of patriotic devotion to faith, principles, and government integrity. Gen X was instilled with some additional basic intolerance for popular representations of racism, sexism, religious prejudice, etc. All of which was prescription direct from the media golem.

    By the time the Millennials arrived, the package delivered by the media for re-definition of national history, ethics, values, perceptions and cultural pastiche was growing unwieldy. Public schools no longer work well as the primary component of propaganda. That is now delivered directly through TV, music, Internet, etc. But, those who own media are learning quickly ... ALL dissent must be ruthlessly expunged.

    And so it goes. I remember with sardonic good humor that US public schools in the '60s revealed, with outraged horror, that school children in the USSR were rewarded for ratting-out parents and relatives who expressed disapproval of the regime. And now, 50 years later, the media directs the government and people to call out any appearance of racism, of bad-think, of values not approved by Big Brother.

    Full circle. And getting worse. As time goes by, jailings for bad-think will be replaced by executions.

    It was ever thus.
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  234. Dan Hayes says:
    @utu

    Catholic culture? Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico in 1917 and not completely de criminalized until 1992.
     
    What you call as criminalization only applied to some aspects of operation of the Catholic Church and public appearances of priests outside the church. Can you distinguish between state policies and culture or are too dense for it? Was Poland after the WWII communist or Catholic or both? Mexico culturally is Catholic.

    I said that criminal gangs originally started among Chicanos here in the US. Since then they were exported back to Mexico and Central America. The dynamic now is more complicated in terms of flow of criminals and it is really bad in Honduras and El Salvador.

    utu:

    The Cristero War (1926-29) was the heartfelt response of the Mexican peasantry to what you so blithely dismissed as “criminalization [which] only applied to some aspects of operations of the Catholic Church and public appearances of priests outside the church”.

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    Originally I wrote a phrase

    'its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border'
     
    to which Anon apparently objected bringing up the criminalization of the Church. Which I dismissed restating that Mexico is culturally Catholic. The Cristero War confirms it, right?

    The story of masonic war against the Catholic Church in Mexico is interesting in itself and not that well known here. What was the role of the eminence grise Joseph Retinger who after the WWII helped to start the Bilderberg Group? This explains why Mexico was so welcoming for various Bolsheviks and anarchists refugees. Perhaps you could write about it.
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  235. anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yevardian
    Assuming you are Japanese, what groups of importance are there? I hardly think a few Ainu, Ryukans or 5th-generation Koreans could stir up much internal unrest.

    “Mishima Zaibatsu” is a video game reference. He’s talking about the UK.

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  236. @Rurik

    1826 ... Less than 100 years ago..
     
    math is not your specialty, I'm guessing

    during which the rest of the globe has enjoyed the tranquility of pax americana.
     
    sarcasm?

    I’m pretty sure he’s trying to mimick a bot.

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  237. @EliteCommInc.
    here i tread lightly,


    i have already deeply wounded the sensibilities who see the founders through a lens of 'utopic' magnifying glasses ---

    I need to allow the dust to settle before plowing ahead.

    i have already deeply wounded the sensibilities who see the founders through a lens of ‘utopic’ magnifying glasses —

    Oh, don’t be coy. Or do it better.

    What was written in the history books with respect to the War of Separation was a product of media consensus — over time, and distilled into the contemporary presentation given each generation in the textbooks provided to public schools. Thus, the Boomer generation was regaled with tales of patriotic devotion to faith, principles, and government integrity. Gen X was instilled with some additional basic intolerance for popular representations of racism, sexism, religious prejudice, etc. All of which was prescription direct from the media golem.

    By the time the Millennials arrived, the package delivered by the media for re-definition of national history, ethics, values, perceptions and cultural pastiche was growing unwieldy. Public schools no longer work well as the primary component of propaganda. That is now delivered directly through TV, music, Internet, etc. But, those who own media are learning quickly … ALL dissent must be ruthlessly expunged.

    And so it goes. I remember with sardonic good humor that US public schools in the ’60s revealed, with outraged horror, that school children in the USSR were rewarded for ratting-out parents and relatives who expressed disapproval of the regime. And now, 50 years later, the media directs the government and people to call out any appearance of racism, of bad-think, of values not approved by Big Brother.

    Full circle. And getting worse. As time goes by, jailings for bad-think will be replaced by executions.

    It was ever thus.

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    The backlash comes in many guises of intellectual acumen, but in the end, it's hair pulling and teeth gnashing.


    But I get it.
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  238. utu says:
    @Dan Hayes
    utu:

    The Cristero War (1926-29) was the heartfelt response of the Mexican peasantry to what you so blithely dismissed as "criminalization [which] only applied to some aspects of operations of the Catholic Church and public appearances of priests outside the church".

    Originally I wrote a phrase

    ‘its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border’

    to which Anon apparently objected bringing up the criminalization of the Church. Which I dismissed restating that Mexico is culturally Catholic. The Cristero War confirms it, right?

    The story of masonic war against the Catholic Church in Mexico is interesting in itself and not that well known here. What was the role of the eminence grise Joseph Retinger who after the WWII helped to start the Bilderberg Group? This explains why Mexico was so welcoming for various Bolsheviks and anarchists refugees. Perhaps you could write about it.

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    utu:

    Yes, the Cristero War does confirm that Mexico is culturally Catholic.

    Thank you for pointing out my inadvertent misinterpretation of your views.

    , @FKA Max

    Anon apparently objected bringing up the criminalization of the Church. Which I dismissed restating that Mexico is culturally Catholic. The Cristero War confirms it, right?
     
    We had a discussion about this here:

    Growth during the new Church-State modus vivendi, 1940–1980
    [...]
    The number of functioning churches doubled during these four decades, as did the number of seminaries training Mexican priests. The number of priests tripled, which matched the growth in Mexico’s population, which was rapidly urbanizing.
    [...]
    you are so ignorant you don’t even know the Catholic Church and all its clergy, nuns and doings were illegal in Mexico from 1926 to 1992.
    [...]
    Why then did the Church have an almost 40,000-person-strong workforce in Mexico in 1980?

    https://cara.georgetown.edu/staff/webpages/mexico16d.jpg

    [Source Archived link:] http://archive.is/9qyTv
     

    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/how-billionaires-become-billionaires/#comment-2033598

    Just to put this in perspective how pro-Catholic Church Manuel Ávila Camacho must have been. He became President of Mexico on December 1 1940 and the Legion of Christ was founded on January 3 1941.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/how-billionaires-become-billionaires/#comment-2034028

    Based in the United States but with members in Mexico since 1905, the Knights of Columbus worked hard to bring a peaceful end to the Mexican persecution in the 1920s by waging a public information campaign to inform Americans of the atrocities occurring just across the border. The organization also lobbied President Calvin Coolidge, seeking his help to end the violent persecution. Several members of the Knights of Columbus were martyred at the hands of the Mexican government, including six priests who were declared as saints by Blessed Pope John Paul II in 2000.
     
    - http://www.kofc.org/en/news/releases/cristiada-book-release.html

    Not to completely veer off topic, I think much of Wick Allison's donor network, etc. is probably comprised of wealthy and powerful Catholics, and might explain why TAC took certain editorial decisions on various topics, etc. and became what it is today:


    Allison converted from Methodism to Catholicism in 1978.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick_Allison#Personal_life

    As a traditionalist-leaning Catholic, I have always supported the hierarchical structure. I remain a firm papist.
     

    - https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2010/july/why-the-catholic-diocese-of-dallas-burned-while-prelates-in-rome-fiddled/

    Both [Rod] Dreher and [Wick] Allison are converts to Catholicism who have sharply criticized the Church, bishops and even the pope.

    Love these guys. Bishop Grahmann dug himself in so deep to resist his Rome-appointed coadjutor that his current episcopal tenure amounts to a kind of squatter's claim -- "Move me who dares!" -- yet the innuendo is that Dreher and Allison, being converts, are shaky in the Faith and therefore unreliable as critics.
     

    - https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otr.cfm?id=2483

    The city of Dallas and Dallas County have more Catholic than Protestant residents, while the converse is usually true for the suburban areas of Dallas.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas#Religion

    This is an interesting blog post:

    Is Rod Dreher really only Wick Allison's Erin Manning?


    So why is Wick Allison so reticent to directly acknowledge the Allison-Dreher connection on Allison's own home turf? Dreher certainly has a history in Dallas, and the two are far closer than just remote publisher and hired writer.
    [...]
    What seems one obvious precipitate from all this to me is that Dreher is far more a liability for Allison if seen to be connected to Allison's primary D Empire (which even boasts its own Academy) than he is an asset for Allison as the little engine that could still keep TAC alive and useful as a tax shelter if nothing else.
     
    - http://contrapauli.blogspot.com/2015/03/is-rod-dreher-really-only-wick-allisons.html Archived link: http://archive.is/pjkEd

    Maybe, Rod Dreher is not as welcome and popular anymore in Dallas, because he left the Catholic Church?


    Raised a Methodist, he converted to Roman Catholicism in 1993. He wrote widely in the Catholic press, but covering the Roman Catholic Church's child sex abuse scandal, starting in 2002, led him to question his Catholicism,[1] and on October 12, 2006, he announced his conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Dreher#Personal_life
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  239. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anon
    Jacques hates America. You won’t change his mind.

    Jacques hates America. You won’t change his mind.

    It seems Jachques is not the only one who considers America uniquely evil, and even insane.

    Such views, it seems to me, reflect a misunderstanding of the role of conflict in human evolution and the machinery upon which civilizations are built.

    One can believe that in terms of its own interests, the United States has made many poor decisions concerning the use of military force. One can believe that the United States, in its brutal destruction of whole nations, its resort to torture, and its use of banned weapons has so coarsened American society as to insure its own internal disintegration. One can believe that in the quest for global hegemony, the United States serves not the will of the American people, but a tiny globalist elite intent on the genocide of the Western nation states as racial and cultural entities.

    But though I believe each of those propositions, I believe it is entirely mistaken to assume that the United States is uniquely evil in its use of force. Rather the United States differs from other countries in its use of force abroad for the simple reason that it is currently the world’s greatest power, the position previously held by the British, the French, the Spanish, the Turks, and so on back to the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, Egyptians ….

    As the world’s greatest power since 1945, the US has naturally acted to preserve its dominance and when possible to reinforce it. For Americans, Europeans and some others, America’s role has generally been to their advantage, although that advantage to those outside of the US has come at the price of becoming a vassal to the United States.

    For example, in 1945, Germany, Britain and France, great powers of their day, had been reduced in power relative to the US and the USSR to near insignificance. The Communists, intent on global domination ruled the greater part of Eurasia, and were intent on spreading their regime to Vietnam, Korea, Greece, Italy, etc. In Western Europe, there was nothing but the US military to prevent the Soviets from driving to the Atlantic coast. Some in Europe no doubt hoped that the Soviets would do exactly that, but to most in Europe, the American option was preferable.

    In Vietnam and Korea, the devastation wrought by America’s anti-Communist stand was surely worse than the outcome it opposed. Yet for the world as a whole, putting an end to Communist expansion must be seen by many to have justified the horrific cost.

    Most controversial if only because it is ongoing and the eventual consequences are unknowable, is America’s attempted occupation of the ME. The reason for it is obvious. There are more Arabs than there are Americans, the Arabs and Persians control as huge proportion of the world’s energy resources, and under leaders such as Saddam Hussein and Gadhafi, the people of that ME (and n. Africa) have demonstrated the capacity to translate energy income into economic development and actual or potential military power. Hence, Dubya’s “Fuck Saddam. We’re gonna take him out.”

    Was that a good decision? We will never know what the alternative would have been. But it is the kind of decision that all great powers take. In 1914, Russia, with an empire of 22,400,000 square kilometers declared war on Austria-Hungary because Nicholas II wanted to emulate his Romanov ancestors, each of whom ruled a larger empire at their death than at their coronation. Only 25 years later, another Russian ruler embarked on aggressive wars against Finland and Poland and ended up ruling all of Eastern Eur0pe.

    So much for the idea of the peace-loving Russkies. The Russians are very smart people, with the largest contiguous land empire the world has ever seen. It is an empire that expands and contracts and re-expands according to circumstances and the pressures brought to bear upon it. Likewise the Chinese, Persians, the Turks, etc. So there is nothing abnormal about America’s use of power. The real issue with which everyone in a democratic American empire should be concerned is the wisdom with which that power is deployed.

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    the United States serves not the will of the American people, but a tiny globalist elite intent on the genocide of the Western nation states as racial and cultural entities.
     
    bravo!

    As the world’s greatest power since 1945, the US has naturally acted to preserve its dominance and when possible to reinforce it. For Americans, Europeans and some others, America’s role has generally been to their advantage, although that advantage to those outside of the US has come at the price of becoming a vassal to the United States.
     
    convenient that your characterization of American power starts after 1945, once Europe was in smoking ashes, due directly to the treachery of presidents Wilson and F. Roosevelt.

    It was Wilson who funded Trotsky, and handed the treasury over to the world's most Satanic Jewish banksters/Zionists enemies of Western civilization (Rothschild ; )

    And it was FDR (and Churchill) who bludgeoned Germany on the rocks of envy and hatred and who "keelhauled" the best of Europe (and Russia) at Yalta.

    Once Europe had been raped into prostrate submission, and her eastern provinces handed over to the tender mercies of Stalin, *then* you're going to laud the "advantage" of becoming a vassal to the ZUSA?

    Isn't that like telling a rape victim that you're going to prevent other men from raping her, so long as she continues to 'put out' for you and you alone? And thereby enjoy the "advantage" of your "protection"?

    For example, in 1945, Germany, Britain and France, great powers of their day, had been reduced in power relative to the US and the USSR to near insignificance. The Communists, intent on global domination ruled the greater part of Eurasia, and were intent on spreading their regime to Vietnam, Korea, Greece, Italy, etc.
     
    who funded the communists?

    Who was Stalin's ally as he genocided millions of Ukrainians, and Gulaged any and all who, by the millions, failed to bow their heads to the (((Bolshevik, Red Terror))) that engulfed Russia and beyond?

    It was the ZUS and England that collaborated with the Bolsheviks to genocide the best of Russia, plunge Europe into a disastrous war, and then menace Europe between the two tentacles of the Fiend (international capitalism / communism). Both funded out of ((London and NYC banks)).

    Yet for the world as a whole, putting an end to Communist expansion must be seen by many to have justified the horrific cost.
     
    all that has happened is that the communists have simply came over here, to the West. That's why the wall came down, because ((they're)) over here now, doing their thing.

    That's why that guy in England is in a Gulag. That's why our society is coming apart at the seams. That's why the West is committing suicide, and that's why the ZUS is bombing all rivals to Israel. Duh.

    Most controversial if only because it is ongoing and the eventual consequences are unknowable, is America’s attempted occupation of the ME. The reason for it is obvious. There are more Arabs than there are Americans, the Arabs and Persians control as huge proportion of the world’s energy resources, and under leaders such as Saddam Hussein and Gadhafi, the people of that ME (and n. Africa) have demonstrated the capacity to translate energy income into economic development and actual or potential military power. Hence, Dubya’s “Fuck Saddam. We’re gonna take him out.”
     
    bullshit

    It was never about the oil. It was and is all about Israel. The petro dollar and oil are all part of the Zio-death grip the banksters have on the throats of the world. Israel may want the oil in the Golan Heights, and that may be part of why they're trying to destroy Syria. But America's involvement in the ME is due 100% to the Fiend's grip on the institutions of the ZUSA. Not because Americans are going to benefit from the oil in the Golan. Hardly. That's beyond even laughable.

    Was that a good decision? We will never know what the alternative would have been.

     

    that like saying 'yea, sure we raped her and tortured and murdered her family, but we'll never know what the alternative would have been if we hadn't done so.

    Millions of people's lives would not have been destroyed, it we hadn't destroyed them. And Israel would not have been as ascendant had we not acted like her murderous goon, destroying all her rivals, right and left.

    Who knows what the world might look like today had president Wilson not betrayed the US (and Western civilization) and handed her destiny over to the very people determined to see the West genocided off the planet.

    There would have been no world war two. 65 million of the flower of Europa would have flourished, instead of being slaughtered and enslaved.

    There are many alternatives to the consequences of ZUSA treachery and rapine. All of them good, by my standards.

    Only 25 years later, another Russian ruler embarked on aggressive wars against Finland and Poland and ended up ruling all of Eastern Eur0pe.

    So much for the idea of the peace-loving Russkies.
     
    The Russian people were just as much a victim of that Georgian fiend as were the people of Eastern Europe. What Stalin did, was just like what the ZUSA is doing. Genociding and rampaging all over the planet on behalf of the Fiend//Zionism/Rothschild.

    Global communism was funded by global capital. They're two sides of the same ((coin))

    So there is nothing abnormal about America’s use of power. The real issue with which everyone in a democratic American empire should be concerned is the wisdom with which that power is deployed.
     
    that's right.

    And American power has not been deployed for the benefit of the American people in over a hundred years. Quite the contrary.

    It was Wilson's treachery that dragged America into the first world war. It was FDR's treachery that dragged us into the second. Now, since the false flag attack on 9/11, American power doesn't even pretend to be deployed for any pretext of a benefit to the American people.

    It is all for Israel, all day long. And no one with an IQ over room temperature even pretends it's otherwise.

    And this has been the case going back to the first world war. But at least back then there were pretexts for the slaughter of young American lives, like 'democracy', or a 'war to end all wars', blah, blah, blah..

    Now young Americans openly die for Israel, the very people who despise them the most.

    Hard to imagine anything more humiliating that beating your chest at how 'powerful' you are, as you're nothing more than a dog on a leash, and your ((owner)) has more contempt for you than Michael Vick had for his dogs.
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  240. Dan Hayes says:
    @utu
    Originally I wrote a phrase

    'its values and that of traditional rural Catholic culture south of the border'
     
    to which Anon apparently objected bringing up the criminalization of the Church. Which I dismissed restating that Mexico is culturally Catholic. The Cristero War confirms it, right?

    The story of masonic war against the Catholic Church in Mexico is interesting in itself and not that well known here. What was the role of the eminence grise Joseph Retinger who after the WWII helped to start the Bilderberg Group? This explains why Mexico was so welcoming for various Bolsheviks and anarchists refugees. Perhaps you could write about it.

    utu:

    Yes, the Cristero War does confirm that Mexico is culturally Catholic.

    Thank you for pointing out my inadvertent misinterpretation of your views.

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  241. @EliteCommInc.
    The problem with the crime stats is not the stats (usually).

    it's their value to describing an entire population -- it's vastly overgeneralized. Even the proportionality argument is not a standard that can accurately demonstrate what is accurate for the populations in general, unless more direct evidence is available

    And in the case of sociopathy, if one can locate similar patterns among other population even if it across time and place ---

    That challenges the conclusions. If one insists their conclusions are fact, based on counter interpretations based on the same qualitative standards, then people might see your motive as suspect -- therein lies the problem with numbers to meaning -- especially as it relates to sociological factors.


    If 98% of the population you claim is not affiliated with you conclusions -- you have a problem, you might even get pushback.

    Let us know if you think the same thing after you take a beat down from a POC.

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    POC is an unknown term to me.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    POC:

    https://www.acronymfinder.com/POC.html
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  242. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:

    “General E Lee by all accounts was quite the leader —until he betrayed his country. Making war on the US was traitorous act and no amount of whining about southern loyalty is going to change that. And that traitorous act — is applicable to every confederate who took up arms against their fellow citizens.”

    Glad to commit treason against your empire, hypocrite. My people owe you no more loyalty than the colonists owed the crown their subservience. All alliances are temporary.

    “no amount of whining about southern loyalty is going to change that.”

    Loyalty to the right people is what counts. We aren’t your slaves.

    “applicable to every confederate who took up arms against their fellow citizens”

    Against invaders who committed an act of war against my people by refusing to vacate my country.

    “What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”

    THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to Colonel Smith, Nov. 13, 1787

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    Laughing


    Good grief.


    Robert E Lee and the confederates joined the union as per their choice. Each southern state ratified the agreement.

    It always amazes how little people comprehend empire. The colonists were the empire. They were the empire as British citizens and they remained the empire as the confederation of states and as the United States.


    An enterprise for which Great Britain footed the bill. I am unclear what subservience you are referring to -

    paying taxes hardly unique
    supporting the troops that defended you hardly a unique request
    there was freedom of speech - oral and print
    trial by jury
    free exchange of goods and services -- some limitations with foreign states -- hardly a unique feature - after all that is the complaint today -- free enterprise at the expense of the nation -- Britain made the same arguments.
    travel freely and even travel with military support killing and removing native populations

    excuse while I avoid taking lessons about loyalties and freedoms from the likes of Pres. Jefferson -- that should by now almost be embarrassing in this context.

    I hate to break the news to you, but Fort Sumter was US property agreed to and supported since the end of the War of 1812.
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    As I have said before the south could have pursued a course of action to terminate their relation to the union by peaceful means -- the right of petition and redress is well documented and sealed.

    They chose war. Their choice. They lost. They could held their fire -- because Pres Lincoln had no intention of freeing a single slave at the slightest risk of breaking the union. The only invasion was the premature and immature temper tantrum of the southern states.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    "All alliances are temporary."

    I am a conservative, decency demands that if one chooses to break or change an agreement, they do so in an orderly manner. Using tools such as fair play, honest exchange, issues of compensation, etc.

    This sounds like the communist version of relative arrangements. The situational ethics of the current President and others, those arguing for violent regime change --- seems a rather tawdry manner to conduct one's social relations and deeply chaotic. Like a women who says "I am your girlfriend, today." But who knows, maybe I will meet someone else tomorrow.

    Today we are the US but who knows how we feel tomorrow.

    free my slaves -- no I won't
    liberty for all -- no just for some
    first act - failure to deliver duly appointed judgeships


    And no country can maintain its nationhood if its people are as fickle as the south or Pres Jefferson. An advocate for disorder who upon being elected became a minor tyrant.


    Thank goodness for the likes of Pres Adams.
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  243. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    “There are lots of possible examples of the sort of major “discontinuity” … Or the U.S. economy collapsing leading to a popular revolution and the massacre or flight of most of America’s ruling elites.”

    Bingo.

    The most likely means by which economic collapse occurs is the following scenario:

    Gas prices continue to climb as the country’s demographic and political condition wanes. The economy worsens, food prices soar, the people blame the government for causing the crisis – now easier to do than ever thanks to social media. The ruling elite become even more oppressive than they are now. Then the government miscalculates and uses force, causing a couple of states to try breaking free of the Union. They either succeed or we get a dictator.

    I think this could happen around 2030. Karlin overestimates the US electrical grid’s ability to support electric cars at the moment, so that wont save us.

    Perhaps your next in depth article might examine the likelihood of peak oil in the era of fraking, population growth, racial division, and government mismanagement of the economy.

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