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I wasn’t closely following the midterm elections campaign, but the results seemed to be about as expected for Donald Trump and the Republicans. With some races still undecided, the Democrats will apparently pick up close to 35 House seats, giving them solid control, and also a half-dozen governorships, while losing at least a couple of Senate seats. These overall Democratic gains seem roughly what might be expected for the first midterm after a Republican presidential victory, but nothing at all like the “blue wave” that had seemed possible a few months earlier, before the bitter public battle over the Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination greatly re-energized the Republican base.
Perhaps the loss of the House may actually prove to be a mixed blessing for Trump. Democrats will achieve control of all the investigative committees and their accusations and subpoenas will make Trump’s life even more miserable than it was before, while surely removing any chance that significant elements of Trump’s remaining agenda will ever be enacted. However, although Trump had reached the presidency by advocating a radical populist-nationalist agenda, he has hardly governed in those terms. For his first two years in office, he sunk nearly all his political capital into enacting huge tax cuts for the rich, wholesale Wall Street deregulation, large increases in military spending, and an extremely pro-Israel foreign policy—exactly the sort of policies near-and-dear to the establishment conservative candidates whom he had crushed in the Republican primaries. Meanwhile, his jilted grassroots supporters have had to settle for some radical rhetoric and a regular barrage of outrageous Tweets rather than anything more substantive. With Republicans in full control of Congress, finding excuses for this widespread betrayal was quite difficult, but now that the Democrats have taken the House, Trump’s apologists can more easily shift the blame over to them.
Meanwhile, a considerably stronger Republican Senate will certainly ease the way for Trump’s future court nominees, especially if another Supreme Court vacancy occurs, and there will be little chance of any difficult Kavanaugh battles. However, here once again, Trump’s supposed radicalism has merely been rhetorical. Kavanaugh and nearly all of his other nominees have been very mainstream Republican choices, carefully vetted by the Federalist Society and other conservative establishment groups, and they would probably have been near the top of the list if Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio were sitting in the Oval Office.
Both Trump’s supporters and his opponents claim that his presidency represents a drastic break from Republican business-as-usual, and surely that was the hope of many of the Americans who voted for him in 2016, but the actual reality often seems rather different.
Although the net election results were not particularly bad for the Republicans, the implications of several state races seem extremely worrisome. The highest profile senate race was in Texas, and Trump may have narrowly dodged a bullet. Among our largest states, Texas ranks as by far the most solidly Republican, and therefore it serves as the central lynchpin of every Republican presidential campaign. The GOP has won every major statewide race for more than twenty years, but despite such seemingly huge advantages, incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz faced a very difficult reelection race against a young border-area Congressman named Beto O’Rourke, who drew enormous enthusiasm and an ocean of local and national funding.
I was actually in Texas just a couple of days before the vote, speaking at a Ron Paul-related conference in the Houston area, and although most of the libertarian-leaning attendees thought that Cruz would probably win, they all agreed with the national media that it would probably be close. Cruz’s final victory margin of less than three points confirmed this verdict.
But if things had gone differently, and O’Rourke had squeaked out a narrow win, our national politics would have been immediately transformed. Any Republican able to win California has a near-lock on the White House, and the same is true for any Democrat able to carry Texas, especially if the latter is a young and attractive Kennedyesque liberal, fluent in Spanish and probably very popular with the large Latino populations of other important states such as Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado. I strongly suspect that a freshman Sen. O’Rourke (R-Texas) would have been offered the 2020 Democratic nomination almost by acclamation, and barring unexpected personal or national developments, would have been a strong favorite in that race against Trump or any other Republican. Rep. O’Rourke raised an astonishing $70 million in nationwide donations, and surely many of his contributors were dreaming of similar possibilities. A shift of just a point and a half, and in twenty-four months he probably would have been our next president. But it was not to be.
Still, the very close nature of the race does not bode well for long-term Republican control over what has certainly become one of their must-win states. O’Rourke may have been an especially attractive candidate and Cruz has often described as unlikeable, but a small margin of victory drawn entirely from the older and whiter portion of the Texas electorate reinforces the growing GOP fear that changing demographics are inevitably shifting Texas toward the Democrats.
These negative indications were even stronger in the high-profile gubernatorial races in Florida and Georgia, each narrowly won by a right-wing white Republican who faced a left-wing black Democrat. In the past a matches along such racial and ideological lines in Southern states would have been expected to produce a blowout GOP victories, but this year the margin was less than two points in Georgia and less than one in Florida. These surprisingly strong showings by the two black Democrats came despite the considerable personal baggage each had carried, with the Florida candidate under possible investigation in a local corruption scandal and the one in Georgia owing over $50,000 in unpaid federal income taxes. Normally, these would have been exactly the sort of factors that provided a racially-suspicious white electorate a convenient sort of “psychological deniability,” allowing them to vote for the white candidate with a clear conscience.
Although Florida was traditionally a swing state, Georgia had been solidly Republican for many years, at least on the federal level, supporting the Republican presidential candidate in six of the last seven elections, with only fellow Southerner Bill Clinton carrying it by a whisker in 1992. Both Georgia senators had been Republican since 2005, as had been most of the Congressional delegation for over two decades, along with every current statewide officeholder. Georgia had elected some prominent Democrats in the not too distant distant past, but these had always been white moderates of the Southern variety. In a society whose politics was still substantially divided along racial lines, electing a vocal left-liberal black as governor might have seemed almost unthinkable, but it came within a couple of points of happening.
The apparent Democratic victory in a close Arizona Senate race represents another severe warning sign to the Republicans. With the sole exception of 1996, that state had backed the Republican presidential ticket without fail in every national election since 1960 and both senators had been Republican since 1995, with the Congressional delegation generally skewing in that same direction for the last half century. Yet a Democrat now seems to have won an open Senate seat, something that had last happened in 1976.
The obvious factor driving the political realignments in both Georgia and Arizona are the long-term demographic trends, especially the rapid growth of the local Hispanic population. When combined with harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric by Republicans at both the national and the local levels, the result may eventually prove lethal to GOP prospects in both those states. And indeed I had predicted exactly these developments back in 2011:
Now consider the likely political future of a state such as Arizona, ground zero of the most recent national anti-immigrant backlash by nervous whites. A severe recession and rapidly changing demographics had alarmed Arizona voters, many of them elderly retirees from elsewhere, leaving them vulnerable to wild rumors of a huge immigrant crime wave, including beheadings and kidnappings, almost all of which was complete nonsense. As a result, harsh anti-immigrant measures were passed into law, and their mostly Republican supporters won sweeping victories among an electorate that is today roughly 80 percent white.
But buried near the bottom of a single one of the innumerable New York Times articles analyzing Arizona politics was the seemingly minor and irrelevant fact that almost half of all Arizona schoolchildren are now Hispanic. Meanwhile, according to Census data, over 80 percent of Arizonans aged 65 or older are white. A decade or more from now it seems likely that Arizona whites and Hispanics will enjoy perfectly good relations, and the former will have long since forgotten their current “immigrant scare.” But the latter will still remember it, and the once mighty Arizona Republican Party will be set on the road to oblivion.
Even in a rock-solid Deep South Republican state like Georgia, Hispanics have now grown into a remarkable 10 percent of the population, up from almost nothing in the early 1990s, and represent an even larger share of younger Georgians. So unless the local Republican Party can somehow greatly enhance its appeal to the 30 percent of Georgians who are black, the current wave of anti-immigrant legislation may prove highly problematical ten or 20 years down the road.
This pattern of immigration-driven demographic shifts producing a sharp but temporary backlash among conservative voters, later followed by the political collapse of the local Republican Party is hardly new to me. I first suggested this strong possibility for my own native state of California over twenty-five years ago, and I have subsequently published numerous articles and columns outlining the political dynamics both before, during, and after these political situations have occurred.
Although many of my pieces were published in leading conservative outlets such as the Wall Street Journal, and often were widely discussed and even endorsed in elite Republican circles, the immediate political pressures in the opposite direction have invariably been too strong. As a direct consequence, the once mighty California Republican Party has steadily declined into irrelevancy, most recently dropping below 25% of the electorate. For many years now, all statewide offices have been held by Democrats, who also now hold a super-majority in the State Legislature, while there is a reasonable chance that after all the races are decided, the size of the GOP Congressional delegation will have fallen to single digits.
I think my entire analysis of these political dynamics whether in California or nationally has held up very well, and I would scarcely change a single word I had previously written. Therefore, I see no reason to repeat myself at great length. Instead, I urge those so interested to read a couple of my past articles that cover the subject in considerable detail, and then decide for themselves whether in hindsight my analysis seems to have been correct.
Obviously, racial politics in America currently revolves around the positions taken by the Trump Administration. For foreign policy reasons, I had strongly favored Trump both in the primary and in the general election, but I hardly regarded him as a thoughtful vessel for the positions he claimed to espouse. To put it bluntly, he struck me much like a highly-opinionated construction worker, angrily spouting off on politics in his local neighborhood bar, being right on some matters and wrong on others, but with none of his views based upon any deep understanding of the issues. I suspect that even many of Trump’s strongest supporters have gradually come around to a similar appraisal of their idol.
This is nowhere better illustrated than in the issue of immigration, which surely won Trump the Republican nomination and played a major role in his unexpected general election victory. From the very beginning, his entirely wrong-headed approach to this highly contentious topic seems almost perfectly calculated to be both ineffective and severely damaging to his supposed goals.
A strong case can be made that American immigration levels have been far too high for many years and should be sharply reduced, and such a change would also greatly slow the ongoing demographic transformation that has so agitated large portions of the white American majority. But in this regard, Trump’s overwhelming focus on illegal immigration makes absolutely no sense at all. If we exclude a relatively small portion of the most highly-skilled legal immigrants, the remainder are probably not all that different in their characteristics from their undocumented counterparts, and indeed individuals may often shift back and forth between these two categories over time, as illegals gain green cards or legals remain here after their temporary visas expire. The ubiquitous rhetorical focus on illegal immigrants seems mostly due to a mixture of “political correctness” and political demagoguery, supplemented by sheer ignorance.
According to most estimates, the size of America’s undocumented population has been almost entirely stagnant since the Housing Meltdown wrecked employment in the construction industry, while net legal immigration has still regularly been running at a million or more a year. Therefore, it seems likely that nearly all net immigration over the last decade or so has been of the legal variety.
These simple facts apparently escape some of the loudest voices on the subject. For example, a year or so ago I happened to listen to the podcast of a leading Alt-Right personality, a prominent Trump supporter who claimed he made illegal immigration his central political focus. When asked why he generally ignored legal immigration, he answered that the numbers in that category were just too low to much matter. With such inspired leadership, the collapse of the Alt-Right movement hardly surprised me.
The signature issue of Trump’s populist campaign was to a build a wall across our Mexican border aimed at blocking the flow of illegal immigrants, and many of Trump’s supporters have become bitter at his total failure to achieve even a shred of that promise. But as I’ve frequently pointed out, the whole idea makes absolutely no sense at all. Suppose that Trump had built his wall, standing 700 feet tall and fronted by land-mines and self-firing machine-guns. If (say) 95% of our immigrants come across the border legally, how would such a wall have had any real impact on that flow? Policies based upon a total ignorance of the facts are unlikely to be successful.
Trump launched his longshot presidential bid with a denunciation of the “rapists and killers” swarming across our border with Mexico, and not long afterward his campaign caught fire when the national media went into a feeding frenzy about the fatal shooting of a young white woman named Kathryn Steinle by a much-deported Mexican national living in San Francisco. Safeguarding America from the rampaging hordes of illegals has been a central theme of the Trump Administration and its supporters, so much so that he even closed the recent midterm Congressional campaign with a highly controversial television spot featuring an illegal immigrant convicted of killing two sheriffs’ deputies in 2014.
However, this widespread notion of immigrant criminality is almost entirely false. All available evidence indicates that immigrants, legal or illegal, Hispanic or otherwise, have crime rates not all that much different from native-born white Americans of the same age and gender, and often somewhat lower. I demonstrated this important result almost a decade ago, and all the subsequent information has confirmed this finding. This reality is hardly difficult to notice in our daily lives. When I first moved to Palo Alto a quarter century ago, neighboring East Palo Alto had the highest per capita murder rate in America, but after a vast wave of immigrant Hispanics transformed its demographics, the homicide rate fell by some 97%.
Many of the regular commenters on my webzine are zealous anti-immigrant activists, and whenever the national media focuses on the arrest of an illegal immigrant for a violent offence, they cite the case as confirming the dangers of immigrant criminality, with the Iowa rape and murder of Mollie Tibbetts a few months ago being the most recent example. However, this sort of anecdotal reasoning is entirely innumerate.
Most experts believe that there are roughly 11 million illegal immigrants in America, with some activists often claiming that the figure is far higher; meanwhile, there are over 15,000 annual homicides. Despite these huge numbers, I suspect that the number of ordinary middle-class whites killed by illegals is almost infinitesimal, probably no more than 10 per year if we exclude wives stabbing husbands and rival drug-dealers shooting each other. Energetic right-wing websites such as Breitbart and the Daily Stormer eagerly scan the news media in hopes of locating any stories of immigrant killings, and I’ve challenged those commenters to mine the archives of those publications in order to disprove my totals, but none of them have ever succeeded in doing so. Indeed, I suspect that killings of whites by illegal immigrants often generate national headlines partly because they are so exceptionally rare, and that the average white American is about as likely to be killed by lightning as murdered by an illegal. For a candidate to win the presidency based on a platform of lightning-abatement is hardly the mark of a serious country.
Ironically enough, even the details of San Francisco killing that so greatly boosted Trump’s fledgling campaign turned out to be very different than was widely imagined. Although most of Trump’s followers probably had the impression that the homicide had been committed by a hardened Latino criminal, perhaps a gang-banger driven by anti-white hatred, the facts that eventually came out at the trial were something else entirely. The culprit had been a disoriented homeless man, here illegally, who had apparently found a gun while picking through the trash. When he casually waved it around in a foolish and reckless manner, it suddenly discharged, with the bullet striking the pavement a dozen feet from where he sat, then ricocheting to fatally wound the unfortunate victim standing a hundred feet distant. Based on these unlikely circumstances, the tragedy seems much closer to being a lighting-strike than a typical street-killing.
Trump’s final pre-election remarks, claiming that he possessed the legal right to issue an Executive Order abolishing our traditional birthright citizenship provisions seemed especially ridiculous, though wildly popular within his right-wing base. Automatic U.S. citizenship for all children born here, regardless of the legal status of their parents, has been settled constitutional law for well over a century, and nearly all legal experts have held that it was guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment, as later confirmed by a 19th century Supreme Court ruling. In the last decade or two, a tiny handful of lawyers have claimed this policy could actually be overturned by Congressional legislation rather than Constitutional Amendment, but prior to Trump, no one had claimed the President had the ability to strip millions of Americans of their citizenship merely by Executive Tweet.
To my eye, the legal case for the Fourteenth Amendment birthright provision seems extremely strong and those who dispute it are doing so on very dubious grounds, clearly motivated for ideological reasons. But given my lack of legal training, I would raise a different point. From the late 19th century onward, many, many millions of children have been born to illegal immigrants in this country, and all of them were always considered automatic U.S. citizens, without a single person having ever disputed that matter until quite recently. It’s not that the courts ruled that the children were citizens—it’s that across a century or so, no one had even questioned the matter enough to try to bring it before a judge, nor had any politician or opinion columnist ever raised a doubt. So opponents of birthright citizenship are clearly proposing a rather astonishing legal innovation, one which certainly would have surprised several past generations of Americans.
Now admittedly, such innovations have become somewhat more common in recent American jurisprudence. For example, as far as I know, no one in the entire history of the world had ever raised the notion of Gay Marriage until just a couple of decades ago, yet we recently discovered that our Founding Fathers had fortuitously guaranteed a right to Gay Marriage in the U.S. Constitution, where it lay undetected for more than two centuries until the time was ripe. Thus, Constitutional principles are obviously far more malleable than they might once have seemed.
Still, the practicalities of Trump’s sudden legal revolution seem quite considerable. For example, over the last century legal immigration from South of the border has been fairly low while the number of Hispanic citizens has increased by well over 40 million. Thus, it seems likely that tens of millions of these Latinos ultimately derive their citizenship from those disputed birthright provisions, and presumably some millions of white and Asian citizens would also fall into that same category. Since the legal territory is so completely uncharted, perhaps Trump believes his authority in this matter is retroactive, and for a president to strip perhaps 30 million Americans of their current citizenship with a single Tweet would certainly demonstrate the awesome power of Twitter.
In many ways, the failings of the Trump Administration illustrate the difficulties of that a superpower faces when it is run by a bar-stool political philosopher guided by his personal echo-chamber.
Twenty or more years ago I would have been extremely concerned about all these racially-charged political controversies involving immigration, and throughout the 1990s such issues were my central focus. But these days, I view these loud national media battles with detachment or irritation rather than anything more serious. The main reason is the recent trajectory of California, and not merely because it is my home state.
Whites had historically been minorities in a couple of small American states such as Hawaii and New Mexico, but for most of the twentieth century gigantic California had ranked as our whitest large state. Then, within a single generation it underwent one of the greatest demographic shifts in human history, rapidly becoming one of the least white. During the 1990s California whites suddenly discovered that they had become a shrinking minority of their own state’s population, but they still remained a large super-majority of the California electorate. The resulting mismatch between population and political power was a major factor in the extremely bitter Immigration Wars of that period, about which I have written at considerable length.
Although immigration issues elsewhere were only slightly visible at that time, they totally dominated California issues, with potentially disastrous consequences. Under the wrong circumstances, our politics could have devolved into an escalating cycle of bitter hostility between two large blocs, with roughly half our population consisting of native-born whites and the other half of non-whites from a recent immigrant background. Due to factors of citizenship and age, the former would have held the overwhelming majority of political power and might have been tempted to use those considerable levers to block the rise of the latter, otherwise almost inevitable due to its demographic momentum.
Back then, California represented even a larger portion of our national population than it does today, being comparable to the combined total of Texas and New York, the next two states, and as home to Hollywood and Silicon Valley, it was the long-recognized pace-setter for the country. If such a sunny and hopeful state had suddenly become embroiled in an endless cycle of racial political conflict between whites and immigrants much like the traditional black-white divides of the Deep South, that could easily have easily set the pattern nationwide.
Some especially unfortunate social policies potentially magnified this risk. Historically, the leading source of national ethnic division has usually been along the lines of language, and California seemed especially vulnerable in this regard. Almost everywhere in the world, immigrant children are taught the national language of their new country, and this had always been the case in our own schools as well. But for totally bizarre and inexplicable reasons, America had gradually abandoned this sensible policy for Hispanic immigrants. California was the national center of this newly created system of Spanish-almost-only instruction, misnamed “bilingual education,” with up to 70% of Latino children spending at least some of their school years in those classes, and as a result often failing to properly achieve English literacy. If our country’s largest and most important state had become sharply divided along lines of ethnicity and language, a national disaster with separatist overtones might have become a realistic possibility, especially as the pattern of immigrant relations in other states began following the dominant California model.
Fortunately, despite the very serious risks this national calamity was narrowly averted, partly through the hard work of many individuals, partly through luck, and partly through the sheer political incompetence of the California Republican Party, which Gov. Pete Wilson had opportunistically positioned as the standard-bearer of the anti-immigrant cause. Although demagoguery often produces strong short-term advantages, the California Republicans instead quickly fell into a sharp decline that has continued almost unabated to the present day, with California soon becoming a one-party Democratic state.
California’s transformed political landscape may be illustrated by a single example. In late 1994, I was a top featured speaker at a 70,000 person anti-Prop. 187 rally held in Los Angeles, the largest pro-immigrant protest in American history. The event had been organized by a local immigrant rights activist named Juan Jose Guttierez and his young Latino assistant then just a couple of years out of college, while apparently receiving little support from any of the state’s rather timorous Hispanic elected officials.
A few years later, that young assistant, Kevin de Leon, went into politics himself. Gradually rising through the ranks, he most recently served as President of the State Senate and this November received over 45% of the vote in his unsuccessful challenge to 85-year-old incumbent Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who had held public office almost longer than her challenger had been alive. As I’ve sometimes joked with journalists over the years, De Leon seems to have done much better politically over the last 25 years than either Gov. Wilson or the California Republican Party.
Partly because the California Republicans failed so quickly in their political attempt to capitalize upon anti-immigration sentiment, almost no lasting damage was done to relations between whites and non-white immigrants, which soon returned to the quite amicable state the two groups had previously enjoyed. Indeed, within a decade anti-immigrant sentiments had faded to insignificant levels even within the overwhelmingly white and conservative Republican rump party, let alone the heavily non-white Democrats. A few years ago, I discussed this fortunate political outcome at great length.
One important factor assisting this rapid ethnic reconciliation was my own successful 1998 campaign to dismantle the failed “bilingual education” system by ballot initiative. My measure required that all young children be taught English in the public schools, and it passed in a huge landslide despite being publicly opposed by nearly every established political element in the state and massively outspent on advertising. Although for obvious reasons, almost all immigrant families had always wanted their children taught English, many deeply suspicious whites had long remained unaware of this, instead fearing that Hispanics preferred Spanish-language schools. But once the huge media coverage surrounding the initiative drove home the true facts, many sources of tension between immigrants and the native-born faded away. I think the ultimate outcome for California society is best illustrated by an amusing AT&T radio advertisement that ran across the state a couple of years ago.
Since California had always been the center of America’s bilingual education movement, the elimination of those programs set them on the road to oblivion elsewhere as well, especially once the New York Times, the New Republic, and the rest of the mainstream media documented the tremendous success of these educational reforms and the strong support they attracted within the immigrant community.
For decades, those disastrous bilingual programs had greatly impacted the education of many millions of Hispanic students, looming very large on the national political stage, but their collapse and disappearance was so rapid and complete that I suspect few younger Americans today are even aware that they had ever existed. I’m also unsure whether the younger generation of immigrant Californians are more than vaguely aware of the ferocious political battles that roiled the state throughout the 1990s.
Since such a substantial fraction of America’s Hispanic and immigrant populations reside in California, their excellent relations with their fellow white and native-born Americans serves as a very positive model for the rest of the country. Trump had made immigration concerns a central element of his 2016 campaign, but that theme fell totally flat in America’s most heavily immigrant state, with white Californians supporting Trump at a rate 20-25 points lower than whites in the rest of the country. Indeed, if the entire white national electorate had voted like its Golden State counterpart, Trump would have lost all fifty states, mostly by huge landslides, suffering by far the greatest electoral disaster in American history. All the Trump-hating pundits would have spent Election Night laughing and saying “I told you so!”
These California sentiments hardly seem unique. Texas is our second largest state and has been following a demographic trajectory similar to that of California, with whites having fallen into minority status, soon to be passed by a rapidly growing Hispanic population. But although Texas is as strongly conservative as California is liberal, whites and Hispanics seem to get along just as well, and the enthusiastic support of the latter for O’Rourke against his Spanish-surnamed opponent hardly suggests any deep ethnic chauvinism. Florida, New York, and Illinois also contain very large concentrations of Hispanics and immigrants, who once again apparently enjoy quite good relations with their white neighbors. With such a large fraction of our immigrant population living in states displaying such negligible levels of nativist rancor, the likelihood that today’s immigration controversy at the national level will produce any long-lasting negative consequences seems very low to me.
Most observers would agree that for many years America’s highest-ranking political figure of fervent anti-immigration sentiments has been Jeff Sessions of Alabama, first as a senator and more recently as Trump’s Attorney-General. But few seem to have noted the oddity that Sessions has lived his entire life in a state containing just a sliver of immigrants or Hispanics, strongly suggesting that his entire knowledge of that complex subject comes from secondary sources, perhaps those having a sharp ideological bias. Would we really tend to trust the expertise of a political leader from lily-white Vermont when it came to sorting out the difficult black-white relations of a Deep South state such as Mississippi?
A few months ago someone pointed me to a lengthy piece in the Sunday New York Times by Richard Kahlenberg, a moderate liberal who has spent the last twenty years at the Century Foundation. Kahlenberg argued that bridging our country’s enormously deep ethnic and ideological divide desperately required a Robert Kennedy-type figure, who had demonstrated a remarkable unifying ability a half-century ago before his presidential campaign was tragically cut short by an assassin’s bullet. But although I liked the piece, I pointed out that California’s political situation was quite different, having absolutely no political divide that required any bridging. Our state’s politics had become extremely bland and boring, and I cited a good article describing the heated race for state Attorney General, in which the angry charges and counter-charges were so dull and perfunctory that one’s eyes would glaze over.
In the last couple of years, American society has been experiencing a long series of bizarre Chinese Cultural Revolution-style protests against long-honored figures of our past, now denounced as “racist symbols,” with buildings renamed and leftist mobs attacking public statues. Although monuments associated with the Confederacy have been the primary targets, these attacks have often extended outside the South and even former presidents such as Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and William McKinley have sometimes become targets, along with the author of the Star-Spangled Banner and the founder of modern gynecology. As an extreme example, the losing black gubernatorial candidate in Georgia had called for the ISIS-like destruction of the gigantic Stone Mountain Memorial, a national monument featured on a 1970 U.S. postage stamp.
Ultra-liberal California has hardly been free of such copy-cat protests, with a handful of obscure memorials to Robert E. Lee or other Confederate figures targeted and removed, along with a statue or two honoring Christopher Columbus. In Palo Alto, a zealously-PC Swedish immigrant launched a successful campaign to rename two of Palo Alto’s middle schools because they honored top academic figures of a century ago known to have advocated eugenics, even though exactly similar charges could be leveled against most other prominent American intellectuals of that same era.
But although California was seized from Mexico during a controversial 19th century war, there have been absolutely no reports of any protests aimed at the various statues and monuments honoring the leaders associated with that military action or the state’s subsequent American leadership. Ironically enough, several high-profile controversies have instead targeted symbols of California’s Mexican past, especially Father Junipero Serra, the recently-sainted founder of Spanish California. Denounced by leftists for his alleged cruelty to the Indians, Serra has had his name removed from various Stanford University buildings. Meanwhile, California’s numerous and prominent Hispanic officials would surely ridicule and condemn any such similar attacks against the state’s past Anglo-Saxon heritage.
In recent years, despondent white activists have sometimes bemoaned that America’s racial transformation has become irreversible and that our once overwhelmingly white country is inevitably headed for a Brazilian future, with the enormous crime, corruption, and political disorder that such a society entails. But I am very skeptical of these claims. Over the last half-century, California’s white European population has fallen from almost 85% of the total down to little more than 30%, far below that of Brazil, yet none of those terrible social ills seem anywhere to be found. Our ultra-liberal state legislature recently banned plastic straws for environmental reasons, but such nonsense seems more typical of Burlington, VT than the bloody favela politics of the Sao Paolo ghettos.
One widespread problem is that most of us draw our knowledge of the outside world from the media, and the picture of reality imparted by the conservative commentators of FoxNews is usually just as distorted and unrealistic as that of their liberal mainstream media counterparts. Back in January, the legislature established California as a “sanctuary state,” enacting various laws to shield illegal immigrants from threat of federal deportation. President Trump immediately denounced this policy in the strongest possible terms, warning that the horrifying levels of resulting immigrant crime would surely bring the state to its knees. But when a Hannity correspondent interviewed local Californians about that supposedly very controversial new policy, she was chagrined to discover that nearly all of them casually supported it.
More recently, the Sacramento Bee ran a rather amusing political cartoon that seems to correctly describe the divergence between actual life in California and how matters are portrayed on FoxNews.
Obviously, those ideologically committed to a different perspective will treat my claims with extreme skepticism. But they should carefully consider some supporting evidence.
Consider that blogger Steve Sailer is a California native who moved back to live in his hometown of Los Angeles around twenty years ago. While he was growing up, that city was among the whitest in America, but for the last couple of decades the population has been half Hispanic, with white Europeans probably constituting no more than 20% of the total. Racially- or ideologically-charged topics are his primary focus, especially those connected with politics. But although his posts regularly deal with all sorts of national controversies, in recent years he has only very rarely written anything about Los Angeles politics or California issues in general. Indeed, someone reading his blog over the last decade would have remained almost entirely unaware of the many hard-fought state and city election campaigns that had spent so many hundreds of millions dollars on advertising that blankets the airwaves all around his own home. The obvious reason for his remarkable silence is that nearly all those political candidates and campaigns were so bland and boring that there was almost never anything interesting to say about them. These days, Los Angeles is just not a very “exciting” city to live in or write about. By contrast, Brazil is an extremely “exciting” country, and if he were living there, his blog would surely be overwhelmed with local stories.
Oddly enough, both Los Angeles and California had experienced far more such negative “excitement” decades ago, when both were still overwhelmingly white. Although Southern California had widely been considered a true American paradise in the 1950s and early 1960s, several tumultuous decades soon followed, encompassing the Watts Riots, the two hundred or so racial Zebra killings in San Francisco and statewide, the Manson murders, the Black Panthers, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the extremely high urban crime rates from the 1980s onward, the LA Riots, and the bitter racial turmoil of the 1990s. Throughout most of the second half of the twentieth century, our state was notorious for its bizarre and often dangerous politics, with the 1978 killing of a San Francisco-area Congressman in the huge Jonestown Massacre followed just a week later by the assassination of the mayor of that same city at the hands of a conservative former supervisor. Yet as whites became a much smaller share of the population, all this turmoil and controversy seemed to fade away, a trend exactly contrary to what fearful white activists might have normally predicted.
Admittedly, many of the examples mentioned above, such as the deadly urban riots and the Zebra killings, were directly associated with the state’s black population. But California had always had by far the smallest black population of any large state, and that fraction has dropped by less than a percentage point in the last fifty years. So black demographic changes cannot be responsible. However, today 60% of the state population is neither black nor white, and perhaps this majority has had a salutary buffering effect on the local version of America’s eternal black-white racial conflict.
California still has very serious long-term problems far beyond the deadly wildfires currently ravaging portions of the state, but few of these seem related to bitter racial or ideological conflicts. Probably the leading concern is the extremely high cost of housing, and once these huge living expenses are properly considered, the state’s resulting poverty rate is among the worst in the country. The post-Cold War era of the early 1990s saw the disappearance of Southern California’s huge aerospace industry, which had traditionally been the largest source of well-paying middle class jobs, and although the current Tech Boom—or perhaps Tech Bubble—has created enormous wealth, nearly all of that has been concentrated within a sliver of the population, giving California one of America’s most unequal income distributions. Some of these poverty problems are being gradually alleviated by the 2015 enactment of a huge rise in the statewide Minimum Wage, which will reach $15 per hour by 2023, a political movement that I’m proud to have substantially fostered, but the impact is a gradual one.
It seems undeniable that most of these major California problems are closely connected to the doubling of the state’s population since the late 1960s, and nearly all of that huge increase was due to very heavy foreign immigration. Such rapid population growth naturally benefits Capital at the expense of Labor, so the resulting changes have both raised housing costs and lowered worker wages. There has also been a sharp reduction in the quality of life as more and more residents have been pushed out into the less desirable portions of the state, such as the smoggy Inland Empire of Riverside and San Bernardino counties, which often require horrific traffic commutes to Los Angeles area jobs. Even the recent spate of wildfires may not be entirely unconnected since suburban growth puts more areas at risk and state water problems have been exacerbated by increased consumption. But most of these same problems would have occurred if the many millions of newcomers had been white rather than Hispanic or Asian.
The affluent and extremely pleasant California lifestyle of the post-war era was widely recognized across America, and that magnetic lure produced the early stages of the state’s very rapid population growth. But more recently, the ill effects of congested traffic, terrible housing options, and stiff job competition at the lower end had greatly reduced state’s attractions. Growth has sharply fallen, though this is partly because continuing inflows of immigrants have been partially matched by a simultaneous outflow of existing residents.
Obviously, at some point a combination of severe overcrowding, unaffordable housing, and general worker impoverishment will sufficiently reduce the attractions of our society that the continuing inflow of immigrants will fall to merely a trickle. But this hardly seems the most desirable solution to our problems, whether in California or in other states moving along the same trajectory. Meanwhile, our deadlocked Congress has failed to enact any significant immigration legislation in 28 years, and the extremely rancorous relations between the Trump White House and newly Democratic House hardly suggest that anything will soon change. As a consequence, both Trump and Obama have been forced to issue Executive Orders of an extremely dubious legal nature, whether granting temporary protected status to illegal immigrant “Dreamers” or now promising to automatically reject all refugee claims along our Southern border. The gap between pro- and anti-immigration forces seems absolutely unbridgeable and likely to continue indefinitely, even though both sides remain extremely dissatisfied with the status quo.
However, as I argued a couple of years ago, the widespread belief that our immigration problems are insoluble is based on a very serious misunderstanding of the contending elements involved. Both the media and the political participants regard the conflict as being waged between two sides, but that is mistaken. There are actually three political factions: pro-immigrant Democrats, pro-immigration Republicans, and anti-immigration Republicans. All the unsuccessful Congressional efforts of the last couple of decades involved an alliance of the first two groups failing to overcome the opposition of the third, and with Trump having enormously increased the power of that last faction, there is no prospect for any change in that situation.
But careful consideration will reveal that the major goals of the first and third groups—pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans—are actually not directly in conflict, and if they formed a political alliance, they could easily formulate legislation acceptable to both that might stand have an excellent chance of passing both houses of Congress and being signed into law by the President. Although I published my analysis of this solution several weeks before Trump’s upset 2016 victory, I think that it is just as correct and relevant today, and perhaps even more so given that November election results have produced a divided Congress, closing the door on other options.
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I would actually like to see updates of the 2010 data. Has the change in Hispanic demographics (more gender balance, and a greater portion of adults who are US-born) truly followed the low-crime trajectory predicted?
While this was a prediction in 2010, as of 2018 the data to draw a conclusion on the prediction should be out.
Can you provide more color on what the results actually are?
OT: Ron, could you recommend 10 books which in your opinion are must reads?
Plenty of “kumbaya” and “we’re getting along great in cali”, and no mention of just how insolvent cali has become for a number of purely political and immigration-related reasons…not as deep in red as NY, but well up near the top of the list.
Continually losing middle and upperclass that have moved out of state because of taxes and cost of living, and replacing them with unskilled third worlders, who tend to use a LOT of benefits they never paid into, has definitely not helped.
It is quite simple :
i) Halt all illegal immigration and expel the illegals already here.
ii) Halt all unskilled legal immigration.
iii) Substantially increase skilled immigration.
As President Coolidge said almost a century ago : “The Business of America is Business”.
I think we can mostly thank technology for the falling crime rates.
We’re safer than ever before, and it’s all thanks to technology
Dramatic reductions in crime rates over the last 20 years aren’t down to policy reforms – they’re because technology has made it harder to commit crimes
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/technology-fuels-crime-decline
E.g.
Source: http://www.unz.com/isteve/ian-holmes-what-happens-when-geneticists-talk-sloppily-about-race/#comment-2305492 and https://quartzy.qz.com/1133840/charles-manson-death-the-serial-killer-inspired-pop-cultures-view-of-crime/
Police tracked down “Golden State Killer” suspect by matching DNA from public database
In 1860, the New Zealand newspapers reported the erronious national census that the white population was higher than the Maori population. That generated a lot of crowing by white settler opinion makers that New Zealand would now become a lilly white English colony and the Maoris if not die out would become suitably assimilated. That circulated into the Maori villages. Almost over night, the racial environment reversed. Suddenly Maoris attacked and murdered dozens of whites who had been their good term neighbours. But a few years later, about half the Maori population were fighting on the British army side against an ISIS type Maori enemy. The alternative to being a minority was a great deal worse. This history would be regelated to dusty old books but self hating whites picked up on it as sjws before the term was invented. It also became a back door for privatisation of national resources. However despite enormous publicity on racial issues, most whites and Maoris get on well with each other and have mutual goals. Racial intermarriage is very high.
Sorry Ron this is your worst essay ever. I have no idea where you get your data but it’s wrong but you should look it up yourself.
*Hispanic crime is high in many parts of the nation. I live in an area where they are heavily involved in drugs, gang violence, breaking into homes and also murder.
*Hispanic statistics aren’t accurate because in many areas they are classified as white, and in some instances they are classified as black according to the police I have talked to.
*Hispanics in many states are draining the welfare and social services to death.
*Hispanics in my town are destroying the local emergency room and the costs are passed on to the rest of us.
*When they are arrested they have fake IDs and seldom show up in court.
*They are destroying the rent where I live because they make everything section 8 and similar projects and the lowlife landlords can get more money than a normal rent because the government will pay more. They put 12 or more Hispanics in these places which should be illegal but no one does anything about it.
*I believe California is number one in welfare much of it in the agricultural areas. We all pay for those vegetables.
*According to a report by the New Century Foundation “greater than 50% of Hispanics receive some form of welfare. Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2
times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison
for felony drug crimes. Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs. At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.”
*One other point on crime rates..it’s still more crime and it adds to the overall problem.
Basically the middle class is being destroyed by the Blacks and Hispanic populations in this country in every conceivable way. FAIR has calculated that illegal immigration alone costs us 100 billion dollars per year. Much of their money they earn is cash and is not taxed…casual labor they call it where I live. Furthermore, they send at least half of it back to Mexico, and Middle America. This is not taxed and it’s not put back into the US economy. I’ve lived with them for over 35 years and they have become a social cancer on the communities.
I believe your idea that they can coexist with whites long term ignores the fact many don’t and won’t assimilate. They want their Mexico right here in America. I’ve talked to teachers and they tell me in many areas they are destroying the school system. They won’t learn English, refuse to work, and the schools have become so degraded that no one can learn.
They want to take over America just like the Blacks. They have a better plan. This hatred has been ramped up in recent years due to social media and the Communist and Bolshevik Democrats who hate white people and Western Civilization. We are doomed because too many white people who know nothing about history have some type of guilt complex. These are the people who in live in gated communities and do not live with the Hispanics or Blacks. Just like the Black athletes who make millions and choose to live where: With White Folks. It’s like Meathead, Rob Reiner the crazy Jew from All in the Family. He calls all whites racist who don’t want open borders and lives in Malibu (now burning maybe there is a God) which is about 97% white. Everyone knows the entire immigration game is being run by Jews.
I’ve said enough and I will leave you with this. A couple of months ago I was at Walmart. A brand new super loaded gigantic pickup truck pulls in next to me. A Hispanic male and female get out. The truck with all the stuff including mag wheels had to cost over $50,000. An old farmer pulled on the other side of me and just stared at the Hispanic male. Somehow both me and the farmer ended up in the check out lane behind them. The checkout lady bags their stuff and the girl pulls out a food stamp card or whatever it’s called to pay for the groceries. I looked at the farmer and I thought his neck and head were going to explode.
You may think this is alright on how the system is being raped but some of us think otherwise.
Reminds me of the South African “Rainbow Nation” (((narrative))) in the 90s. Look at them now.
I want to have your optimism and it is in my interest to have it at my age and were I live but I the skepticism in me makes me think the other side is probably right. I think your article about the “Coming Age of White Nationalism” is probably a more accurate reality.
Some good points, but as with many US commentators, you fail to take account of the global situation. Trump’s election is part of a global nationalist/populist shift that started in 2016. This shifts has its roots in the demise of neoliberalism (which ruled western politics from 1980 to 2008). In Europe this shift has already resulted in a sharp cut back in legal immigration into Europe and a number of power sharing arrangements between populist and centre-right parties that would have been considered unthinkable a decade ago.
How this populist/nationalist shift will eventually play out in the US, Canada and Australia is hard to guess. It’s like trying to guess how neoliberalism will play out by looking at the policies of Thatcher and Reagan in 1981. At the moment Trump is trying to copy the immigration approach of Australia with his tough stance on illegals and a relatively liberal stance on legal immigration. However, subsequent administrations may do things differently. For example, if the Dems get taken over by brown socialist hotheads their donors may shift to the Republicans, and the Dems won’t be able to mobilise apathetic blacks and Hispanic voters if they don’t have lots of campaign money around.
Every new age of liberal democracy has surprising twists and turns and you can’t predict how a political party will act based on past behaviour.
I am a long-time California resident. I agree with Mr. Unz that the demographic influx has not turned California into a society of Brazilian crime, violence, and corruption. However, I would argue in detail that there has occurred a shift from an ethos of “proficient, conscientious, fastidious” to a philosophy of “get it basically right.” This is a culture-driven phenomenon; Burgos of Harvard has written: “We wanted workers, but we got people.” I used to think California is a generation ahead of the rest of the country in our ineptness and aggressive apathy, but I was wrong; the timeline is shorter than that. And, I perceive that this shift is contagious; it is being adopted beyond the culture that initiated it. This is just as problematic as the Brazil model.
You’re using a strawman, Ron.
Most Americans support curtailing just about all of your ‘legal immigration’.
So called ‘legal immigration’ to the US strains all norms worldwide.
I live in a majority Hispanic city in California, and there is very little crime I am exposed to. I don’t fear Hispanics and they treat me quite well. So I believe your articles on this matter.
But one consequence that you haven’t mentioned is how socialist these Hispanics are. What do you think will happen when they take over California and Texas and then the nation? It will be more socialism and income distribution and then the decline of our nation.
Based on this entirely reasonable progression, I am opposed to more Immigration of any kind, but especially Hispanic immigration because I see how their societies are.
As far as we in the rest of the world are concerned, Americans can vote for a rusted boiler or a broken umbrella stand for all the difference it would make in how their country (mis)behaves abroad.
Around 1900 Houston Chamberlain, the brother of the despised 1938 British politician, publicised
Houston Stewart Chamberlain, ‘Die Grundlagen des Neunzehnten Jahrhunderts’, 1898- 1907, München
I suppose I’m the only idiot in the world who reads about a hundred years old books, Houston needed two volumes.
His problem at the time was how to explain European success in the world, a world almost completely controlled by Europeans, at the time the USA was european.
If Houston invented the word race, I do not know, but his explanation of the world domination by European cultures was that these Europeans were a better race.
Houston admits in no uncertain words that he could not define race, but ‘as with dogs, one immediately recognises the better race’.
In my view, Houston explained nothing.
Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Civilisations’, London, 2000 also tries to explain European supremacy.
He does not need the hazy concept of race, he explains this supremacy from the direction the earth rotates, the, what he calls ‘grass highway’ from NE Siberia to the Flemish coast, and the unique North Sea.
Now, if races exist or not, it cannot be denied that European culture, science, technology, democracy, is superior in the world, though this may be changing, Russia (European in fact) and China may be overtaking us.
Racist policies, in my opinion, no more than trying to keep the culture that brought the world prosperity, alas also the nuclear bombs.
That groups with lower intelligence hate us, understandable, in my opinion.
But the stupidiest thing we can do is let these groups destroy us.
Not just for us, but for the world, slaughtering the chicken with the golden eggs.
First, before I start arguing over it, that was a very well-written article covering as many aspects on California and immigration policy/politics and possible – it’s just that in the 10 – 15 minutes it took me to read it, there have probably been a few dozen comments written already (that I can’t read yet).
Now to the arguments: First, regarding President Trump, I’m not sure why you are under the impression that he only made an issue out of the illegal immigration (you bring up the 14th Amendment issue yourself after that, not just an illegal immigration issue). I believe Mr. Trump indeed brought up egregious examples of crime by illegals* to get people riled up about the issue. That DOES NOT MEAN that the takeover of much of California by illegal Hispanics is NOT a serious issue. Politicians often do these types of things, but that doesn’t mean the basic problems are not real; the situation is far from that. I think Mr. Trump is no numbers/details guy, and was probably unaware of the sheer numbers involved in legal immigration of various sorts.
You neglected to mention, that, whatever the actual court-determined facts in the Steinle murder case, the guy had been deported from America MULTIPLE times already and was a felon. There are many Hispanic drunk drivers that have killed innocent Americans for which one could say the same. I think a serious border barrier (again Trump says “wall” for effect, or he really doesn’t know that there’s no reason it has to be anything more costly than your average interstate highway) would have prevented many crimes that committed by aliens that are under a different legal regime. An illegal can just bail out, after a crime in which an American would have been locked up. Jose can just come back next year as Hose-B, and start a new life. What a deal! I wish I had that option!
Plenty of Americans know full well, now that the issue has been forcibly brought up, that legal immigration IS just as large a problem as illegal. I agree with you that the President has not gotten very much done on this most important of his campaign promises, but I won’t get into the argument here of whether he won’t or can’t.
* BTW, thank you for using normal, and un-PC terminology throughout your article, too.
It may be worth acknowledging that President Trump entered the White House without a party and with a government n which the executive agencies have been contaminated by two terms of President Obama and his fellow “corruptocrats”. President Trump has had to assemble an army of followers from scratch. Note that significant portions of the GOP are either Ultra “Never Trump”, are “Establishment” collaborators with the Progressives (Open borders mean cheap labor and the possibility of destroying what is left of the union movement), or are “mush” who have never conceived of a fight for anything.
The Kavanaugh confirmation was a training run againstr the progressive Democrats. The Democrats brought out their Big Guns against a moderate judge who was a very competent “Boy Scout”. They don’t have much more to bring against a hard-core ideological nomination, but the generic Republicans got to taste the sense of battle.
The mid-term election gave the “moderate”, conservative Democrats a chance to fight for control of their party against the progressives and corruptocrats. They failed. The Republicans retained control of the Senate and thus, up-coming appointments to the judiciary and to the Executive branch. The loss of the House was a minor and expected event since the rogressives have a significant portion of the population and have been Gerrymandering for decades. The House progressives will, I am sure, put on a fabulous clown-show.
President Trump has marked the “Establishment” [both Progressive and Republican] as the enemy center President Trump can’t really act aggressively until he has assembled a solid backing of his own. The actual accomplishments of the Trump Administration are relatively minor but generally show reasonable “solutions” for those not yet committed to cooperation, rather than attacks against an “opposition”.
Renegotiated trade agreements allow manufacturers to adjust to opportunities rather than threats. “Man-made Climate Change” is a ploy from Gorbechev & Gore to disrupt American and Western economies. Walking away from a ridiculous Climate “deal” allows US business and labor to adapt to new technology. Prosperity, even if the immediate profits go to the anti-Trump factions, are beneficial to workers and the economy without having to resort to the “battle axe”(taxation, intrusive regulations). This is maneuver warfare.
It is worth noting that the Trump “Deplorables” were a significant chunk of the Democratic Party of FDR. The corruptocrat urban machines are probably a lost cause, but “#Walkaway” and “#Blexit” have had some success. Everyone can prosper in a prosperous economy. The President has been careful to avoid the “Identity” scam of the progressives. Making the Identity scam irrelevant is more productive than directly attacking that progressive hobby horse. Prosperity trumps dependency.
I have no idea what President Trump’s plans are, but I am sensing seismic movements in our nation’s power structure that may counter, or co-opt, long term degenerative changes. That New York bastard is up to something. I am laying in a stock of pop-corn, butter and Tequilla. This will not be another Hoolywood farce where the problem is laid out, the battle engaged, and the solution comes to completion in an hour minus commercials.
So if I can summarize the gist, would it be correct to put it like this:
…Whites in California have grudgingly conceded “leadership” role mostly to the browns (Indians) and some yellows (mostly Chinese) who, due to their immense clannishness and ethnic “solidarity” (read nepotism) will make sure that it stays that way.
These new Americans may even want to flaunt that this is a “superior” model to the one in, say Idaho and we must welcome these high IQ (much debatable for the conniving desis), “high caste” folks with open arms (and in the case of white women, with open legs as well). If you as a white man is A-ok with being cucked in the very country your forefathers tamed then you are a worthless parasite IMHO, a drain on the rest of us who are trying to reverse this tide. I’m sure when the US goes belly up (and it just might, sooner than you think), your beloved coloreds will take care of traitors like you first (no one likes a snitch).
Most of us patriots here were never imperialistic to begin with. No invasions on behalf of the tribe and definitely no invitations. But if push comes to shove, we won’t be sitting around bean counting. The only silver lining about this is that very soon it would become clear to most whites that elections are a sham and cannot be counted on to preserve the European core of this country.
Some folks are OK with that, even thinking about it as one big rainbow colored party. Betcha don’t know what it is like to be a racial/ethnic/religious minority in the third world (and make no mistake, the US will soon become that, with us as the minority). By the time you do, it’ll be too late. I’d rather go down with a bang than wither slowly like some barnyard chaff.
Now, about California, Ron. I see you admit that just the numbers problem, with ethnicity disregarded for the moment, is ruining the state of California. I know, you figure that it’d be the same whether these immigrants to the former paradise they called the Golden State were white people or Hispanics. Well, let’s think about that.
It could happen if they were Socialist immigrants FROM another state (unfortunately other states get Californian Socialist immigrants TO their states!), but almost all the relatively fewer white immigrants from the rest of the world into California are NOT the ones that clog up the emergency rooms for free service to the point of closing down hospitals. Bilingual education not-withstanding*, they are NOT the ones that require remedial classes and loads of extra money from the taxpayers in elementary school. They are not the ones insisting on in-state tuition in college when a life-long Oregonian has to pay full. They are NOT the ones that use fake IDs to get tax credits for their non-existent or Mexican-residing (or both!) from the IRS what paying in zero. They are NOT the ones waving their own countries’ flags at the soccer games, a slightly different problem.
The destruction, especially environmental (see “Toward Sustainable Stupidity” ) of California is not just a matter of the raw numbers. See, Ron, most Americans don’t want to live in Latin America. Ex-patriates, cough, Fred Reed, cough, cough, can live their idyllic lives down there on the American dollar, as long as that lasts, and their are indeed other draws for Americans. However, almost all of us don’t. You can tell that by the lack of emigration on a large scale to that part of the world. We don’t want the US to BECOME Latin America. I’m not sure if that is something you understand or not.
This bring up the white Californians whom you say are just peachy with the way things are going in that one-party state. I’ve gotta continue that thought, though, in another comment.
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* I very much admire your work on this issue back in the 90’s(?), Mr. Unz. However, the push for instruction in Spanish has come back, as you should already know. Do you think a majority of new Hispanics in California will join with you, or the next guy, to fight this issue again when all of the speak Spanish all over the neighborhood, at work, and in traffic court (for DUI)? It’s over with the English language when it’s not needed anymore. Who in his right mind wants to learn an unnecessary new language, especially when one is not part of the best and the brightest (even of Latin America)!?
Technical point: the funny advertisement cannot be played. It refers to a file on unzmag.com, which can only be accessed when you have a password.
Now, regarding the politics of your admittedly one-party state, you maintain that the white voters are on-board with the Hispanicizing of California. I do wonder who exactly were Hannity’s interviewees that just LUVED, LUVED, LUVED the sanctuary city policy. There is no doubt a large ctrl-lef contingent remnant of white 1960’s-style pro-destruction-of-traditional-America types, your Governor among them, that inhabit the Bay Area in particular, who have no problem with illegal immigration. It does help destroy things. I bet there is a larger contingent of whites that are trying unsuccessfully to remain middle-class, that are seething over what’s going on, and moving to places in Texas or the deep South, to get a good value for that one remaining plus, the value of their crap-box California house.
You seem OK with the Democrat Uni-party politics there. If one is a Socialist, looking forward to the next successful implementation of Socialism/Communism, then, sure, by all means, it’s just great. $15 min-wage attempt at screwing with the market even more is not gonna get California out of its slide into 3rd-worldliness. It’s not just the state of the crowd you brought in, but the politics that this crowd brought in with them, that will ensure that a real disposable-income-holding, association-forming, trust-building, power-holding, can-do middle class will never be seen again in your state.
Let me get this straight. Instead of continuing the (admittedly probably lost by this point) fight against the replacement of their native people, American politicians should just pander for the Hispanic vote to go-along to get-along? Had Pete Wilson’s policies been upheld in the courts, and the draw of illegal immigration been greatly reduced due to no ability to go to school, no welfare support, and no “free” healthcare on the taxpayers, your state could very likely have still been a great place to live and a still a part of America. It was not too late at that point.
California’s problems are mostly from illegal immigration and the 14th Amendment* loophole. That’s not the case for most of the nation, where both illegal and legal are equally a problem. That brings me back full circle (I think, as the comments haven’t been “released” yet). Yes, legal immigration is indeed just as much of a problem, and it could be not solved, as the gates have been open too long, but highly curtailed via legislation and a serious implementation by a non-traitorous government. The only chance for that seemed to be Donald Trump, didn’t it Ron?
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* I’m deferring to Ann Coulter on this one – yes, though she seemed a pro-GOP neocon 2 decades back, I have not read but one opinion from her that I don’t completely agree with.
Finally, I want to say that I don’t think you understand how assimilation works, Mr. Unz. You bring up good relations between Hispanics and Whites in Texas. Yeah, there have been Hispanic families in Texas from back near the time of the Republic. They may be brown colored and still talk a bit differently (on purpose, if at all), but they are as American as apple pie.
You bring millions at a time into each region and it doesn’t work like that. I don’t blame the immigrants much on this, either. If I were in an ex-patriate community in Argentina, say, and the town was crawling with my American homies, I’d feel much more comfortable with them, and not feel a need to learn much Spanish, etc. The now-huge Chinese contingent of immigrants, both legal and illegal, is another example. I do not live in California, but in my state there are areas where, due to numbers, the Chinese people eat with each other, hang with each other, and make their kids learn Chinese outside the home. Why?
Go to one of the 3 (maybe it’s 5 now) Chinatowns in NYC, and see if you can tell you aren’t in China, if you just don’t look at the make/model of the vehicles on the dirty/crowded streets. You WOULD NOT KNOW OTHERWISE! Yet, a few decades back, the only Chinese people I knew were from Taiwan (not a factor, just that mainland Chinese did not come back then). These people, other than their skin, facial features and oftentimes more-mellow personalities, were as American as as the next folks. I know Vietnamese families that I could say the same for (except for the mellowness part – the boys were as redneck as we come, but very intelligent).
Assimilation only works with small relative numbers. There will be only one kind of assimilation in California – that will be assimilation of the remaining few white people into the 3rd-world Hispanic semi-shithole that’ll be left after the white-built economic momentum has been dissipated.
California is Brazil in waiting. Perhaps life in most of California is still great for many & in many areas. But, inevitably, with so many different segments of population having so little in common, with diverging group interests & with growing 3rd world dependency & resentment- future is predictable.
When money runs out, LA will be a hellhole like Rio de Janeiro.
“white Californians supporting for Trump at a rate 20-25 points lower than whites in the rest of the country”
Perhaps it’s not that they don’t support him, rather they see no point in voting in an effective one party state.
I don’t have turnout figures for state on hand, but this map would suggest California has one of the highest abstention rates in the nation…
https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/11/voter-turnout-midterm-election-statistics-map/574939/
Blue Wave or not, that was an impressive total. Now if we could only count the vote, quickly and with complete accuracy.
The eventual goals should be to rid the rigging of races through gerrymandering, register anyone who is eligible, and may the best candidate win. Is that likely to happen in my lifetime? Possibly, but it isn’t right around the corner that’s for sure.
Ron,
There are important takeaways from your article and parallels with the UK in large immigration flows from Eastern Europe after the 2004 enlargement of the EU. Here there is analgous situation. The immigrants were virtually all white. Most came from countries with strong Christian traditions either Catholic or Orthodox and finally most are hard-working and not welfare dependent. Yet still the flows caused resentments which played a part in the Brexit vote. Why ?
First the volume of migrants and the speed with which demographic transformations take place absolutely matters critically for absorption purposes. Many smaller towns in Eastern England relatively unused to large immigrant communities underwent very extensive demographic transitions. Suddenly relatively sleepy places suddenly had schools and GP surgeries filling up with people who did not have English as their first language of communication. Inevitably that breeds resentment as services (such as special needs help in schools) are oriented to meeting the needs of the new-comers as well as difficulties in locals just getting doctors’ appointments.
Secondly the new wave of migrants provide alot of competition for manual or lower skilled jobs. In some of these areas such as fruit picking etc, maybe the locals were not interested to do them but soon of course migrants migrate to a bit better paid work and compete with and undercut locals in other trades such as plumbing, house conversions. Much is made of the 50,000 EU nurse and doctors in the NHS but I suspect most of the 40,000 Uber drivers in London are migrants. At the same time the UK has like the US suffered a massive loss of traditional reasonably well paid and ‘safe’ jobs in manufacturing (example the closure of the massive Redcar Iron and Steel works in 2016) so this squeezes the existing working class and also begins to have an impact on the lower white middle class working in areas such as banking which are already under pressure from new technology and outsourcing.
Third is what economists call the benefit incidence ratio. In the UK at least where 90% of workers get a working tax credit, most migrants will receive that benefit and since they come with their families other welfare benefit plus free school and health care. California is probably less generous (and we know many illegals may actually contribute to social security through using SS numbers that are not their own). Still for many working class whites who have proudly never claimed welfare, this is a huge issue.
Finally we cannot minimize the huge part the media and the identity politics of the Democrats and Labour Lib Dems and Greens here in the UK) have played in castigating opposition to mass immigration or the expression of genuine concerns as racist. I and I am sure many others, feel the Grenfield Tower fire tragedy would not have engendered anywhere near the same blanket media coverage if the victims had been largely white ‘van man’ and his kith and kin in one of the other 50 English councils that had used the same cladding in its housing blocks.
In the medium term the Eastern Europeam migrants will assimilate easily enough just like their forefathers who came after WW2. The problem is those from other parts of the world whose flows were and remain greater than those from Europe.
What do you make of the idea that racial crime statistics are skewed because many Hispanic criminals are reported as white or white Hispanic? I’ve seen some compelling evidence for this, mugshots of people who are claim to be white who are clearly of South American ancestry.
In any case, I think if we’re going to end up like Brazil, it will happen after the demographic shift gives federal government inexorably to the Democrats, and the Welfare/Warfare state will achieve geometric growth at a level beyond even where it is now.
Eventually, either the Petro dollar will collapse, or the system will just crumble underneath its own weight and complexity and corruption. Until then, things will be relatively peaceful until the ruling class can’t pump out the bread and circuses fast enough.
Relations might seem fine now, but remember that this isn’t the end game to their plan, the radical left’s social policies are only now starting to develop at a faster pace, as the untouchable corporate masters and their street goons achieve near total power. State mandated satanic tranny kids story hour coming soon to a library near you. The hispanics are only their tools to divide and conquer the populace, as both whites, hispanics, blacks, and everyone else come under their thumb.
The fact that the original white inhabitants are mass exiting the state counters any idea of real good relations at any rate… white flight away to the rest of the flock. At least we birds can still take flight, not quite as easy prey as the dodo they wish us to be.
“These surprisingly strong showings by the two black Democrats came despite the considerable personal baggage carried by each of them, with the Florida candidate under possible investigation in a local corruption scandal and the one in Georgia owing over $50,000 in unpaid federal income taxes. ”
The average black voter not only does not hold any type corruption against a black or overtly anti-white white candidate, bur often seems to prefer it, perhaps as proof of willingness to get things done.
The new white Left is equally amoral. It too will bed with anything that shows it wishes to stick it to deplorable whites.
Actually it was a tax increase for a lot of wealthy blue-staters, who can no longer deduct state taxes (high in blue states) on their federal tax returns.
Difficult for you, maybe. I never had any illusions about your basic bitch Republican, which is quite a common animal in Congress. Never mind open traitors like Flake and McInsane.
What article are you referring to?
Achmed, Unz’ whole “Hispanic crime is because spics skew young” is like Jews’ “Jews skew shitlib because Jews are urban” thing; an “excuse” that sounds like dividing by 1.
Really don’t give a fuck how the leopard got his spots…
Couldn’t read the whole thing, too long. However I read that you are a silicon millionaire which means this site should be around for a while and that’s a good thing. (Wry grin)
Yes it’s been a disappointment but he’s still better than any other whor.. I mean politician in America. With regard to Israel he really hasn’t done much more than Obama would have been forced to do by the Cabal. Jerusalem is still open to final status, whatever that means. Our foreign policy is bi partisan-ly hijacked by Zionists. The tax cuts for the rich hurts as it’s a total reversal from his campaign but maybe he’ll get some Demokrat support if he targets a middle class tax cut with raising the top level to where it was before the Republitard tax cuts of last year. I’ll give him another 14 months to straighten things out, if not I’ll be looking for a National Socialist candidate or ask Putin to take over.
California’s main problem at moment is the fact is ground zero for the enactment of Agenda 21/2030.
U.S. National Debt Clock
source: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Which State has the Highest State and Local Debt?
source: https://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/compare_state_debt
State of California Debt Clock
source :http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html
https://www.theday.com/storyimage/NL/20150706/NWS13/150709550/AR/0/AR-150709550.jpg&Maxw=960&q=75
Impossible to prove intent, but one is entitled to draw an inference about what probably happened.
Anyway Ron Unz is right about immigrants, but wrong to think their children, and children’s children will be like people brought up in Hispanic culture. Immigrants have been brought up in a very non-permissive culture. Their children haven’t, and show downward assimilation in everything: educational occupational, health, SES, and crime outcomes. Hispanics get progressively worse with every generation in the US.
Only a person who thinks culture is unimportant can make the mistake of thinking genes don’t matter.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-dont-worry-immigrants-arent-causing-the-swedish-crime-wave-its-their-sons-grandsons/
Freedom is not free. If you have more inherent hereditary self control (guilt) you can live in a permissive culture and willingly not do the bad stuff because the priest and the cop are inside your genes. With a population of such people the culture sits lightly and allows all sorts of innovation and creativity. Hence the West.
Sorry, but I can’t let you brush that aside, like so many do with climate change, by saying the issue is settled. A few, very distinguishable cases are settled law, but the broader issue is not settled law, and it does not help the discussion to accept the status quo without examining how we arrived at it. One of the earliest post 14th Amendmend cases, Wong Kim Ark, dealt with a child of immigrant parents who were subject to the [complete] jurisdiction of the United States, while your garden variety illegal or birth tourist is not subject to the [complete] jurisdiction of the United States, and therefore not covered by the 14th Amendment.
Birthright citizenship as we now know it arises roughly from the 1960s forward and is a creature of the bureaucratic state, which means it is very much within the purview of the President to remedy or clarify by Executive Order. With regard to those who have attained birthright citizenship thus far and essentially by mistake, the principles of equity would not allow it to be stripped, but there is no reason for birthright citizenship to now be an acquired right for anyone else coming to America without invitation to become subject to its complete jurisdiction, i.e. legal immigrants.
that is paradise that you mentioned where whites will be breeded out of existence. isn’t race mixing great?
California is Brasil, but this is not seen by the folks who don’t take the off-ramp to take a gander at the giant tent cities in places like along the Santa Ana River or Slab City.
yes it is much better for whites to disappear forever as long if it is done by “legal” immigrants which will bring 100 million paki and indian snake charmers here
Yeah, like that rabbit in the battery commercial, Newman keeps going, and going…
Sorry, but I remembered another point regarding the modern-day All-American version of the Cultural Revolution, as you rightly describe it:
I’ve read about some of this from Steve Sailer, who does cover controversy in California, just not the politician-level politics. Why doesn’t Steve cover many election goings-on? Oh, yeah, that’s right, because it’s a 1-party state and your votes don’t mean much unless you’ve got goodies coming, and it’s about your tribe’s goodies vs. that other tribe’s goodies. Why should a net taxpayer give a damn – they’re going to spend his money hard-out one way or another, and if he’s white, he’s gonna be on the hook to support other lives, other family’s and other family’s babies and child-rearing. Socialism is a scam, Ron, and in California, the White people in California are on the wrong end of that scam.
Firstly, there have been no protests, because most of the immigrants have no earthly idea about that history (same for most Americans, to be honest). It’ll change when some Hispanic “leader” wants to make a point to become a big-shot with his constituents. Yeah, and haha to that bold part. They just haven’t gotten quite big enough of a majority yet. It’s not the average working man who cares to destroy history, by any means, but it never is. Your Hispanic leaders will have no regard for any white Anglo-Saxon heritage. The statues, monuments and names will all be taken down/forgotten.
You are living on borrowed time over there, Mr. Unz.
beautiful post and all you said is true. remember Unz is a jew and his DNA overrides his sometimes good sense
I am sick of hearing latrinos crime rate is the same as US citizens. say we have 10 million US criminals here SO WHY IN THE HELL DO WE NEED 10 MILLION MORE CRIMINALS?
Well, Svigor, a coupla’ things on that: Yeah, the younger men do most of the crime, but then again, when will these demographics change when you keeping letting more in by the 100,000’s yearly?
Secondly, what Mr. Ploskina (#27 for now) writes is a very good point – who knows the crime rate of Hispanics when many are called “whites” in the data? Additionally, with those “run-for-the-border” passes to get out of a court dates, I don’t think conviction numbers are going to be accurate with illegal aliens. I mentioned this already.
Yep.
The racial politics and the vote fraud with illegals voting and vote fraud and open borders push by the Zionist controlled mobs is right out of the Zionist playbook The Protocols of Zion to bring down America and further the Zionist goal of a Zionist NWO.
Every patriot American should read the Protocols of Zion!
Niteranger, as Mr. Meener said, very good information. I’m sorry I duplicated some of this, as the comments were all in moderation until about 30 of them became active. I just now read yours. The whole thing is a sad state of affairs for Americans who remember a better country.
“Serial Killers” were just the precursor to today’s “Mass Shooters”. Both are products of Gov. mind control projects and are no doubt intended psyops. Both are/were designed to to create large scale fear among the general population, which in turn will drive the population to accept ever increasing loss of constitutional rights and the acceptance of a police state lock-down. Dave McGowan points out many of the absurdities and unknown facts concerning the “Serial Killers” in his book “Programed To Kill” :https://api.ning.com/files/a*iJ4*yS1qwASsL-kTZPqaZXpwdunGy2ikjpqYmLLZGrbcAtcBgltwBImv5haO*U2D*Iq0MtRT5tfwXPakb7a5*MqLx6BrdW/DavidMcGowanProgrammedtoKill.pdf
Jim Fetzer does the same with the “Mass Shooters” in his book “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook”
http://12160.info/forum/topics/nobody-died-at-sandy-hook-read-the-book-free-pdf
People need to become aware of these deceptions if they are to hang onto the few remaining rights we have left.
its odd that hispanics are so low in crime but then you go to the Texas 10 most wanted criminals and almost every one is hispanic, same thing for even true for Kentucky a year or two ago
in how many other states is this the case?
Ron will surely have another excuse for them
Urban mexifornia is literally full to the brim with MexChindians. ALL these three groups are quite low when it comes to assimilation especially cultural assimilation. Granted the mexicans have a bit of an advantage here but only by a hair. Plus economically they are way below the chindians which is understood as they come from a relatively dysfunctional society.
The assimilation indices for the various major immigrant groups in the US:
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/measuring-immigrant-assimilation-post-recession-america-5858.html#.VZTAOlIaN6Y
The Chindians on the other hand have some of the lowest cultural assimilation index (not at all surprised here. I work with these people especially the hindoos almost every day. Insular, clannish, conniving and completely unoriginal describes a big swathe of them. When an Indian tries to break the mold, the others quickly bring him in line) but high economic assimilation index. What these means is that we have successfully invited an alien elite who looks at us with contempt and disgust. These folks can’t wait to acquire the levers of power so it can become our csars here, totally unconnected to the blood and the soil of this nation. But they better be careful. People have started to notice these things now.
The only group which has a high cultural AND economic assimilation index are the filipinos (not surprised). They are way more outgoing, more readily open to the idea of mixing with people unlike their own and their women are hotter in ways the Indian women can never be (counting averages here). Plus they dig whites more than anyone else. SEA is literally heaven for a lone white man, unless you look like joe lieberman. So if we HAVE to have people here, better them be like the filipinos instead of the mexchindians.
Excellent article Mr. Unz,
You make the superb point of recognizing that while Donald Trump’s ascension to the White House was based on “the advocacy of a radical, populist, nationalist agenda “, he has hardly governed “in those terms”.
I would say this is the understatement of the year.
You do not, however, spend any time discussing the reasons “why” this is the case, but merely point out that with the “Dems” now controlling the house, he can defer the blame for that, on them.
Perhaps we should take some time to look at “why” ?.
Perhaps one reason , Mr. Unz , is that “Washington DC” has become so “hermetically sealed” inside such a titanic bubble of systemic graft and corruption ,( created by and for the one percent) the will of the people simply cannot get through.
Governing by the “consent of the governed” is impossible , now.
The Plutocracy rules the roost , and the days when the say of the people, held sway, have simply vanished away.
this is another thing that’s happened the last 20 years – if you go to a retail store, the cashier doesn’t give damn about your time, just goes as slow as possible, moves only fast enough to avoid getting fired
International Cities by Murder Rate
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
U.S. Cities by Murder Rate
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
Hay as long as Ramesh gets to displace Ronald (who by the way has an $80K debt), builds a million dollar home in cupertino (which by the way would still be TRASH compared to my aun’t home in iowa) all the while Ronald lives in his car and keep appearing for interviews it’s basically a win-win.
“America” wins, it’s business as usual and Ronald slides in poverty. Hay but look at the “bright” side. He helped a pajeet realize his “true” potential, which somehow he wasn’t able to do back home in Bharat India. Isn’t this “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” they keep yammering about?
so bill gates and the crooks at google don’t have to hire Americans with IT degrees?
yeah great idea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Clark
Spot on, and based on first-hand experience.
When costs of living are taken into account, California has the highest percentage of people living in poverty among the 50 states. It’s inequality, as measured by Gini coefficient, is also the highest, on par with China. It’s understandable why a multi-millionaire would be ok with all of this, I would just appreciate if he was less disingenuous about all of it.
Mr. Unz is a bit vague about it, but it seems that the alternative he proposes for the Republican party is to be a kind of ‘socialist-lite’, 10 years behind the Democrats is every political and social fad, and to compete with them in offering goodies to NAMs. Guess who would win that contest?
Yes, the future of the Republican party is grim, but there is no viable alternative, save for ‘lay back and enjoy it’. The hope for the future lies in breakup of the ‘coalition of the fringes’, as the constituent groups have nothing in common save for the hatred of traditional America.
One thing I would appreciate on the Populist/Conservative/Republican side: lay off with blaming the Jews. Look at Ireland: it used to be the most conservative European country by far. Now, it’s flooded with third-world immigrants, the prime minister is a homosexual from Pakistan. Jews, really? No, they did this to themselves, and need to sober up before it’s too late.
Yeah, what immigrant crime? I mean, so 8 of the top 10 most wanted in Texas are Hispanic. What does THAT prove?
http://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/fugitives
Unz may be a Jew but his sense is mostly good. His DNA as you say may sometimes cause him to slip a bit not the other way around.
What he does with his pravda series, you and me can only dream about that. He’s got balls of brass taking on the SPLC and the ADL while us cowards are careful not to have some of our friends find out we are “red-pilled”. So please give credit where it is due. He is a class apart from the likes of us. Justice and fair play is what sets us apart from the Mexicans, salvadoreans, somalians, indians , pakistanis even the chinese. The Chinese may be high IQ but they still are a low trust society, although I’d place them above the Indopak crowd. Although I’d say we need to be cynical and become as tribalistic as these groups if we have to survive the onslaught. This does NOT mean we completely abandon any sense of righteousness and just behavior.
Although in my case I have slowly but steadily started to flaunt it just to get other (white) folks talking. I think it is time we get out at least in our local communities. They need to know that most people espousing white nationalism are NOT basement jocks
Political correctness means blaming Hispanics for crime while not mentioning black crime rates. Eg Trump and the GOP, and many commentators here as well, are being pc. Ron mentions this in passing early in the article.
The Hispanic crime rate is largely explained by the overall youth of the Hispanic population, and even then it is well below the black crime rate. In a way, this is because Hispanics have not been forceful enough. Black militancy makes everyone think twice before telling the truth. Hispanics don’t have the same degree of political mobilization or the threat of torching cities like blacks did from the 60’s onwards.
A particularly weak pc statement came from a commentators who claims that police systemically misclassify Hispanic crime. Really? That sounds about as smart as people who say that test anxiety is why affirmative action is fair and just.
as Calif Gov jerry brown says – “illegal aliens get 10 DUIs before you can deport them”
look closer and you will likely find that jews were involved
Agree. If you go to California and look around a bit you see a different picture. For example in the town of Camarillo, just north of Malibu, the Mexicans have taken over the downtown and the whites have moved a few miles inland to gated communities. The town thrives and is neat–not like a black town which would be a ghetto–but it is very segregated. A little further north is Ventura which is a SWPL type town and that too is segregated. Oil and vinegar.
I believe that what Ron is saying–but I don’t think he knows it–is this: California has a beautiful long coastline and a wonderful climate. As Melville observed, it’s human nature to want to live beside the sea. Many people will pay a lot of money for the ever-changing view and to enjoy access to the water for surfing and sailing and to get relief from the desert heat which is the norm inland.
Those people are some of the most intelligent, creative people on the planet. They have created a booming economy the basis of which is not dependent upon extraction of any local natural resource. It is a rootless economy and attracts rootless people. With the surplus wealth this economy has generated, the elite can afford to live like Royalty. To satisfy their extravagant desires they have imported a huge number of low-caste aliens who stand to them as serfs to Lords of the Manor.
The coastal elite care little about the living conditions of those dwelling inland. For much of the state they are separated from them by a range of mountains. White, brown, it makes no difference to them. They could easily be–and should be–different states for all they have in common. Interior California looks like Mexico but with nicer strip malls and more upscale gated communities separated from each other by better roads.
The mainspring driving who and what California is not really man-made in the sense in which Ron and his critics try to cast the problem. As long as California has a long coastline and an agreeable climate, the social structure will tilt towards technological manorialism.
Like you, I believe that California’s current social arrangements are equivalent to running on storage batteries that aren’t being charged as rapidly as they are being drained.
(((They))) are the enablers of this phenomenon, even when they are not physically present in a certain place. Not more than 2% here but they control the narrative, not just here but across the whole damn world. So even though they may not be physically present in Ireland, they still control the system there (from London presumably). Which is why we cannot extricate ourselves from these pointless wars in the middle east, constant immigration from the 3rd world and non stop cultural degeneration in the name of social justice. So as long as one doesn’t really look at the source of the leak in the underground piping as it is, it would be useless to try to fix the issue by buying a brand new tap. Please do check who changed the immigration policies in the US and the UK to remove any mention of race, just so you know what I’m talking about.
Coming on to ireland, the irish PM is a catholic born to an Indian hindoo father and catholic mother. They raised him as a catholic keeping the traditions of the host country in mind. Though I hate miscegenation of white women by men of color, I can still excuse this case. This fella (his father) made an attempt to integrate (which is NOT surprising as it was in the 80s, back when it made sense for these people to really assimilate). Whereas now they create enclaves like sunnyvale, edison and redmond WA. His father embodies the kind of people we can have here, that too in limited numbers only
How about unlimited immigration of fighting age Palastinian males to the USA ? Their vibrancy and diverse viewpoints could add spice to our slumgullion melted pot mess.
Off topic, perhaps, but related to your 1st point in this comment: I am no tax accountant, but I do my own taxes, usually with a beer in hand and in 1/2 hour (yes, I just round to the nearest $50 on most numbers, as I want to make a pretty clear point that I don’t live my life to please the fucking IRS).
Where the hell was I? Oh, yeah, the standard deduction went up by 2X, from $12,000 for a married couple filing jointly to $24,ooo. Wait! Don’t break out the cheap champagne. The “exemption” per individual went from ~ $4,000 to ZERO. For a 3 person family, it is a complete wash*, but for 4 the $12,000 extra in the standard deduction loses out to the $16,ooo loss of the “exemptions”.
Wait, here’s my point, with a question for any experts. Is this not a big blow to small family businesses, who would normally itemize if these deductions added up to more than $12,000? Now, you’ve got to top $24,000 to make it worth writing off the office, trips, etc. OK, then take the standard deduction, you say? Yeah, but the exemption deal is gone, so you may have had $20,000 in itemized deductions PLUS the $12,000 in exemptions (just for 3 kids) before, meaning $32,000 taken off the top line (deductions are taken off the amount TO BE TAXED, unlike a credit that comes off the bottom line). Now, you’re at just the standard $24,ooo deduction.
Someone tell me if I’m talking out my ass here, as again, I’m not a tax man. This is really not difficult stuff though. Is this new plan a bad thing for small family businesses?
* Not counting the slight, but non-negligible, decrease in tax rates, which will help a working man or couple.
I would find this more believable if we didn’t have most wanted lists with police systemically misclassifying hispanic crime.
This article gives me optimistism. Since it is inevitable that this country will be a one-party soon, this article helps reduce my anxiety about what to expect. And the GOP— except for the empty promises on social issues and what Trump promised during the election (end NATO, stay out of Syria, etc.)— has been at odds at with my values. E.g., neocon wars & foreign policy, Partriot Act and increased Police State, MIC, & Deep State for “national security”. So frankly, I’ll be as sad about the death of the GOP as I was about the death of John McCain.
niteranger, you are so right! The country is doomed. The only way whites can survive and live as they traditionally have is if they live separate from blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews, etc. The issue that Unz raises about the Latino crime rate is irrelevant. Even if Latinos never committed a single crime, that is not a reason why whites should tolerate their presence among us. Their presence entails ultimately our undoing, our demise. Unz, though accepting the truth about so much, nevertheless evades this obvious fact. White survival requires white nations and white nationalism…without compromise. The Japanese may one day be wiped out, but they at least won’t commit suicide by opening their borders to foreigners. Demographic diversity is no nation’s strength. The Jews want our borders open in order to destroy us. Why does Unz, if he has our best interests at heart, insist that the Latino invasion is harmless…?
That was a nicely written comment, but I have a question on this excerpt. Why was that not the case (needing all the serfs in addition to the surf) 30-80 years ago? There were plenty of very intelligent people – think Lockheed Skunk works and an aero industry turning out a newer faster fighter plan every year or so in the 1950s, along with the computer geeks that make HP, Apple etc, a coupla decades later. Why did they not feel they needed cheap servants and other labor?
I personally think the country was very middle-class oriented and the transistor-inventors and the mechanical engineers in aerospace didn’t think they needed to stand out and live in an Al-Gore or Rob Reiner style mansion on the beach, no matter how much money they made.
What changed, 3-Cranes?
I tend to agree with the author about the crime statistics insofar as they concern major criminal offenses of hispanics, but can he explain to me why NY C jails are filled to the brim with hispanics, and blacks with a infinitesimal white population?
Another brilliant article by Unz. He’s unbelievable!
Dear Mr. Unz,
I do not have a dog in the race, although I enjoy aspects of the Cold War Californian mythos, the better songs of the Beach Boys, for one.
What I really do not understand is your tale of the illegal who murdered a woman on, as I understand, a pier.
As far as I can see, the account you give is utter nonsense, and concocted by a cynical lawyer-liar (you do know that the U.S.A. is definitely the world leader on lawyers as pro. liars) in front of a rigged jury.
So, if I were to go to the U.S.A., overstay my visa (not that the killer even had one), become homeless, and fish around in garbage, I will find a pistol, and I will be so stupid about such weapons as to accidentally discharge it (which I very much doubt, I sure am not), and kill a young women by an accidental shot.
This is a plot-line from the video game Grand Theft Auto Chinatown Wars, where you find weapons in garbage bins.
I appreciate your 2nd Amdmt, but your account is nonsensical, that man was guilty of murder.
People IRL, I would guess, leave weapons for later use by others in other places.
What the? I don’t get your analogy. Do you know that OFFICIALLY*, “Hispanic” is not a race but an ethnicity that has a race to go with it (though I can’t recall hearing of an Oriental Hispanic .. yet!)? If you leave ethnicity off the column heading to avoid making a 3-D freakin’ crime table, then you end up with guys being classified as white or black, rather than white-hispanic or black-hispanic, respectively. That was the point.
* I’m not saying I agree with the Feral Gov’t classification scheme, BTW.
Unz avoids the issue of IQ differences between Hispanics and Whites. Average IQ is 89 of Hispanics. The ones coming are also largely unskilled and uneducated and don’t show a lot of interest in education even when they come to this country and it’s free. They use welfare more than Whites and are more dependent on government jobs. They are not an asset which is why they come here. Get a clue.
It’s all a scam. Take a look at the ‘Most Wanted’ lists of the various law-enforcement jurisdictions of America. You can talk sideways and backwards and rationalize all you want, the fact remains these people usually aren’t Americans. They come from elsewhere. They have different traditions and different standards of behaviour. It really is that simple.
you didn’t realize that Gomez, Gonzalez, Ramirez, Lopez, Hernandez etc were all whites?
And that doesn’t even begin to measure the total of immigrant ” crime” in our State. When you consider that something like, oh. 90%, of the DUI related fatalities on Texas Roads are done by Hispanic drivers, the true homicide rate for Hispanics in Texas approaches that of Blacks. When you consider that Hispanic females, especially illegals, won’t even bother reporting rape or other sexual coercion, you realize no one has any idea what the rate of sex crime is for that community. (Although if you track the staggering SDT rate, that tells you something). When you consider that Hispanic criminals throughout the country are routinely classified as White, you realize nobody had any idea what the Hispanic crime rate is
In fact, Mr Unz’s claim of racial harmony in California is complete rubbish.
When push comes to shove in the voting booth, non White behavior is motivated by one, and only one, emotional response- the enormous emotional satisfaction of the Stick it to Whitey moment. And the reality is that Whites, and some Asians, are huge net tax payers, and non Whites are huge net Tax consumers. Some day, soon I think, the economy is going to go very bad, here, and world wide. And then the USA is going to make Yugoslavia look like a picnic.
In the meantime, enjoy those wildfires – drought + immigrant growth have exhausted water resources throughout the SW. The systematic wrecking of a quarter of the USA’s environment is just another cost of unending immigration.
Ron Unz, meet Victor Davis Hanson.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/253685/victor-davis-hanson-illegal-immigration-illiberal-frontpagemagcom.
It might be time for all Silicon Valley residents who want to be truly “informed” drive further east and spend a weekend or two in the now blighted (and bankrupt) California towns off Highway 99 south of Stockton or particularly south of Modesto. Spending too much time around any part of Highway 101 (from north to south) can lead to way too much “happy thought”. Sorta like a European visitor getting his impressions of Californa from daily visits to Disneyland.
A debate between Unz and Hanson would be VERY illuminating.
Hanson, BTW, works off Highway 101 (Hoover Institute) but lives, part of the time at least, off Highway 99. (in the now absolutely blighted town of Parlier I believe) so he definitely knows what he is talking about. Note how planning and zoning laws are now entirely optional in this area.
Just like in Mexico. (or parts of San Jose).
There is a lot of election fraud going on. In all the states where the GOP used to rule, from TX to FL, WA, AZ, GA, CA, most of the immigrants are either too young or ineligible to vote, but many do anyway because the DMV is now responsible for registering voters and they *never* ask if anyone is a citizen, and has no capability of checking.
Trump urgently needs to sign a new Executive Order that says any foreigner caught voting in any US election will have his/her future visa/green card/citizenship application DENIED, and face immediate deportation for breaking US law.
Election records are very easy to verify.
In addition, the DOJ needs to start an election fraud investigation and investigate every state. In the state of WA, a Turkish immigrant who shot up a local mall was found to have voted illegally 4 times, all for Democrats, while living here on a green card. The GOP needs to wise up and do this investigation or they are toast in 2020.
Brilliant article and brilliant reasoning. but I have to disagree on emigration.
in society the trends are deciding factor, and trends are growing in time or they die out in time.
Emigration trend will only grow due to failing off some central American and south American countries.
What will be result of it is only the guess.
All roads lead to the City of London.
Jew Bankers perfecting their NWO by dissolving borders.
Divide and conquer; same old playbook.
To continue, the killer knew how to operate a pistol.
Sure, in U.S. movies, one sees killers throw pistols into garbage bins, but I don’t believe that they really do, maybe into the ocean or a river if they killed or grievously injured somebody, and a good one is not dirt cheap, so the whole scenario that you repeat from the defense l(awye)iar is so unlikely as for the possibility of it having been reality to meet zero.
Mugshots of the LAPD’s Most Wanted Criminals
source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
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Not for me.
For me Hillary was and is mad enough to start a nuclear war with Russia, with Europe as battle ground.
Then there is the analysis of prof Laslo Maracs of Amsterdam UVA university, that the Peking Petersburg railway with a huge land port in Khazakstan, there container are taken from Chinese trains and put on different gauge Russian ones, made Trump and his rich friends realise that eight years Obama had moved the economic centre of the world from the Atlantic to halfway Peking Petersburg.
On other words, a USA no longer able to afford worldwide imperialism.
If my judgment is correct, then Trump is unique in world history, the present of an empire who understands that the empirehas become too expensive, but does not want to see it collapse.
As usual, it’s always interesting to read the maestro, for there are nuances that only he can decipher. But are you so sure there aren’t many Democrats who oppose forced immigration? I would not be surprised that there are…
“You’ll never know who won!”
“Who will?”
Most of us will be satisfied with knowing that our enemies bled out!
Trump got elected by saying part of what most of us thought.
Who will say the rest?
he wont because he’s a fraud
if he wanted to impact illegal immigration he would target employers for prosecution but he wont do that either
Thanks for writing this Ron. I think what you have to say on this makes the most sense. If we want a higher standard of living for everyone, we have to rethink legal immigration while dealing with illegals in a much more humane way.
I don’t think many of the anti-illegal immigrant people on this site are aware of just how difficult ICE can be on some “illegals.” For example, I recently read a case of a man who entered the country legally on a work visa, got married to a US citizen and had children, and eventually obtained a permanent resident status green card. However, he was very surprised when he applied for citizenship, got called for an interview, and was promptly put in handcuffs. He was arrested by ICE and forced to leave his family behind and return to Britain. His offense? On just one of his many job related relocations he forgot to send in a change of address form to USCIS. I don’t know what happened to his case. Maybe he eventually hired an immigration lawyer or something. But there are apparently many such cases.
Recent directives handed down from Jeff Session’s to immigration judges have just made things worse because they indicate that the Department of Justice wants immigration courts to adopt a “no tolerance” policy. In other words he wants immigration violations to all be prosecuted to the full extent of the law rather than allowing for USCIS and immigration judges to exercise any prosecutorial discretion. There are serious immigration violations and then there are violations equivalent to “Jay Walking”. Sessions wants each and every violation prosecuted. No exceptions. This will lead to immigration courts being severely backed up. Many ordinary people with families may wait years to see their date in court, unable to acquire legal work while they wait.
I think the only way for Republicans and white politicians to survive politically is to keep their nationalist/populist politics intact but steer these energies towards promoting a high-wage US economy for everyone. Increasing the minimum wage was something I used to be staunchly against but I’ve softened on this considering the direction our country is obviously headed. The conversation should be focused on what levels of legal immigration are beneficial to existing US citizens while making every effort to treat illegals, and out of status migrants, humanely should be put first. Any illegals attempting to just walk across the boarder illegally should of course be detained and sent back, especially the caravan from Honduras. That can’t be tolerated. Our main focus, though, should be on population levels and its implications for the livability of our country for ourselves and our descendants.
Another thing Republicans need to seriously reconsider is “neo-liberal” economics with all of its deregulations of Wall Street. Perhaps if fractional-reserve banking didn’t exist this wouldn’t be necessary but alas, it exists.
And a final issue which I think both parties are totally ignoring to the detriment of the USA is anti-trust. The media conglomerates are buying up every property available and everything is becoming “Disney-fied.” The less the competition, the greater the political correctness and all the more that anti-American attitudes will get shoved down everyone’s throats by the media. I believe this is by design. I hate to bring up a petty issue but who would’ve thought that one of the biggest movie franchises of all time, Star Wars, would’ve been turned into a feminist diatribe. Welcome to the world of media monopoly! Thanks Disney!
We should look hard at Google. I’m suspicious of Amazon’s unchecked growth as well and what it means regarding employability of Americans in the future. What business did they have buying Whole Foods?
It’s time for the Republican party to fully embrace populism but rethink the methods of achieving it.
Thomm is an Indian National.
He just wants more Indians to come to America which is actually worse than more Mexicans since Indians are so ethnically centric.
When are you going to bust out the White Trash in you comments Thomm?
What changed?
The modern “technology” upon which the economy of California is built is not based on manufacturing. All the plants are overseas. What we have here are disembodied intellects. “Look Ma, no hands!”
Engineers are real, practical, down to earth guys. Remember, back then everything was hand drafted and every engineer studied drafting (even if he didn’t use it on the job), he nevertheless, was a person who was familiar with turning his ideas into things through the medium of his hands. He was of the body. His mind and body were One.
He could relate to the workers on the factory floor because they were involved in the same basic endeavor–turning a pile of rocks into a flying machine–as he was. They both faced the same problem of using mental material to overcome the stubborn thingness of the world we live in through the medium of the muscles of our reluctant bodies.
A programmer lives in a different universe. He lives in a science-fiction fantasy world. The “campuses” he works at reflect this with their sterile, idealized, climate-controlled environments. For the programmer, things and real people are messy. He would prefer to keep his hands from getting dirty. And that means hiring some peon to do the grubby work of weeding and fertilizing his lawn or buffing his yacht while he sweats and grunts away on the exercise machine down at his tony health club. Yesterday’s engineers probably mowed his own lawn, or his son’s did. At any rate, he owned his own lawn mower–and knew how to keep it running.
The Software Designer Class doesn’t have to navigate the issues involved in negotiating labor disputes. If his gardener doesn’t measure up, he tells him to take a hike (or a swim, back across the Rio Grande). They don’t care about labor for the simple reason that they don’t have to.
It’s never surprising that Jewish people love open borders and lots of immigrants to hide behind. It’s those Jews who don’t want to live in their own economic dynamo of Israel. There they could enact all their own economic policies just the way they like it, but they are often the biggest anti-Zionists on the planet, supporting the “Palestinian cause”, because they don’t care to live in their own land with their own people, their own economic brilliance and their ability to build a bomb. In Israel they could award themselves forever awards for their genetic ingenuity and cleverness, endlessly foisting their propaganda back onto themselves because I think they believe it. I’m so glad that immigration helped a neighborhood close to Ron, become a less violent place? How wonderful.
I’ve read some writing that was full of smoke and mirrors and then I read some. Whether the immigrants are good people or not is not the question. For those whites who choose a foreign person of color, why don’t you want to live in that person’s country of origin with their people, think your saving them? You only love that one but not the rest? This is what people do, my child, spouse, whatever, therefore none can say anything about it, not even God, they’ll change that too. It’s a nice pulpit you have.
Or really, are they artificially and unfairly boosting black crime rates? It is true that Hispanic often are classified white. The black crime rate is still highest.
Your comment prompted me to browse the Most Wanteds for California cities. Ron is whistling in the dark.
I believe when Ron ran an his unsuccessful campaign for the US senate he ran on reducing legal immigration and he’s advocated for that elsewhere.
Not the first at all. Roman Empire in the west? I know that there are at least several other examples since 1945.
Now Whites are about to become a plurality and soon a minority and Maori numbers are shooting up.
The best and easiest thing to do would be to require EVERY American citizen to re-register to vote. This should be done on a national scale, with tamper-proof voter ID cards issued upon showing proof of citizenship. This could be easily done before the next national election.
Welcome to Anarcho-Tyranny, Wade. Why would ICE pull this sort of thing over a small technicality on a hard-working English immigrant? a) Because it’s EASY – this guy is a law abiding Brit, not one of those 30-odd million illegal Hispanics who don’t give a sheeet bout no steeenikng paperwork, Senor! b) Our Feral Gov’t is FULL OF traitorous scum – they know what the point is – to change the country by replacing the population. No, it’s not written in any memo, but it’s the plan. It’ll take a massive purge of the scum in most Feral agencies to change this, and President Trump has barely gotten started.
In this Peak Stupidity post on homeschooling, I mentioned a nice white immigrant family of Germans with 6 kids who applied for asylum because the German government has clamped down on homeschooling. They got sent back by the racist Eric Holder Department of Just-Us. Nope, couldn’t have that nice, hard-working German family with the Christian values … wouldn’t be prudent. Instead we’ll take the 20,000 light-bulb-headed, worthless Moslem Somalians this year. Decisions, decisions ….
There used to be a time when just about ANY immigrant who set upon the shores of America was not only grateful, but willing to shed his “old world” ways and support his adopted country. He might have not known the language, and found some American customs and practices “strange”, but he fully embraced the idea that he could be an AMERICAN. He not only embraced the American ideal, but made damn sure that his children fully appreciated the land in which they were born.
Contrast that to today’s immigrant, who is only concerned about one thing–American dollars. Today’s immigrants care not about the founding principles of this country, the Constitutional principles in which our rights are endowed by our Creator, and that the most important thing about being an American is the sense of freedom that he doesn’t want for himself or his offspring.
Today’s immigrant brings his “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that native-born Americans kowtow to him and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways. His children are not encouraged to become Americans and fully assimilate, but are required to maintain their “old-world” customs and ways, even if they run counter to American customs and mores. These old-world customs and ways quite often are criminal in nature, and do nothing to endear him to native-born Americans. He just does not want to assimilate.
Today’s immigrants do not deserve to be here and should go back to where they came from.
“It might be time for all Silicon Valley residents who want to be truly “informed” drive further east and spend a weekend or two in the now blighted (and bankrupt) California towns off Highway 99 south of Stockton or particularly south of Modesto. Spending too much time around any part of Highway 101 (from north to south) can lead to way too much “happy thought”. Sorta like a European visitor getting his impressions of Californa from daily visits to Disneyland.”
Right on. That’s what I’m talking about. The interior of California looks like Mexico. And the roads are the worst in America. Highway 5 is a disaster of broken pavement, heaved sections and jolting expansion joints. I’ve driven the whole length numerous times, from Shasta to route 10.
When I first drove through in 1978, California had some of the best paved roads in America. Today they are the worst. And that’s an example of what I meant when I said that they’re coasting on battery power, stored wealth that is being used up.
Problem is, software type engineers aren’t cognizant of these things. Same with poor quality of workmanship performed by migrant Mexican workers. Sure, they can mow a lawn but anything technical they screw up. Disembodied intellectual programmers wouldn’t know the difference since to the uneducated eye the results look “almost like the real thing”. But shoddy Mexican workmanship shows up in the end. As the saying goes, “Only the rich can afford to buy low quality stuff.”
Of course, the rich can afford to hire specialized white craftsmen who do superlative jobs, not unlike the workmanship that went into castles built by and for European royalty. But the middle class Californian can’t afford that alternative and has to suffer from the deficiencies of Mexican labor whenever they are awarded a public contract for road maintenance and such.
I think the war is lost, with low White birth rates, rising Hispanic immigration and much higher Hispanic birth rates, the US is destined to become an Hispanic majority nation. Unless Whites start having more babies, and I don’t see that happening unless Whites convert to Mormonism en masse. That being said, although most Hispanic majority countries are very poor and very high in crime, a strong law and order government in the US, with long jail sentences and a return to actually using the death penalty, could keep the US in decent shape. The problem with that, is that as a gift to blacks, most states are now retrying the old early release, soft crime approach that worked so well in the late 60’s and 70’s. Along with the very corrupt American political class exemplified by the enormous wealth accumulated by the Clintons during their long careers, we have the danger of slipping into Brazil-like corruption.
As to California, if I’m not mistaken, in 2016 they returned to the old bilingual education scheme in their public schools.
looks like a Top 100 or so and almost all beaners
I’m so glad Unz commenters are starting to see these ethnically- motivated trolls for what they are.
The significance of a ten-point average IQ differential is only now beginning to dawn on me, though I am relatively well-informed. These anchor babies are getting a $150,ooo (on the low end) K-12 education, courtesy of the White US taxpayer. They will never, ever produce enough economic value to offset that massive expenditure. Not even an average White American can reasonably be expected to do so, let alone Hispanics.
Thanks for some welcome rationality.
The problem is not immigration, the problem is growth as a substitute for rights. The government’s idea is, get more people into the rat race and skim off more revenue for fiscally-strapped states. But the cost of augmenting overtaxed infrastructure outruns population growth in a vicious circle. Local dominance of real estate interests keeps states from examining their counterproductive notions. The example of states at their end of their rope like New Jersey is exactly equivalent. People don’t mind immigrants, they just can’t stand living in a seething overpopulated bug pit.
The most subversive result of immigration will be people who know their rights. In almost any country of the global south, people are educated in human rights. They understand that their well-being depends not on growth and debt but on allocation of resources to their economic rights (instead of guns and bombs and tanks and cops and spies.) They aren’t infantilized like US natives, so they know there’s more to civil society than electoral politics. As a result, they are able to organize continually rather than sitting passively between elections and then waving their pom-poms for the candidate and platform that’s stuffed down their throat. Virtually all the competent bottom-up organizers in the USA are immigrants. They don’t hold still for absolutist US state doctrine.
Immigrants who know their rights will transmogrify more than just the state-run parties. They will destroy the USA. That will be great.
Did he mention that in this article under discussion?
There is a lot of election fraud going on. In all the states where the GOP used to rule, from TX to FL,…
I don’t feel sorry for Florida Republicans, Scott or DeSantis. They deserve to lose. The FL GOP had at least 8 years under Scott to “fix” the South Florida election thing, but they didn’t care…or they didn’t want to upset South Florida Jews who control the campaign dollars. DeSantis chose an Hispanic running mate who made the “Little Marco anti-Trump” thing her calling card during the last election. For his part, Scott embraced the Puerto Rican invasion during the last hurricane, welcoming them with open arms. As if PRs are going to vote Republican. The Florida GOP is useless…same old same old pro white dispossession.
Mr. Unz, you are going to find that most of your readers will not be even slightly receptive to your message. What’s even worse, if many of them were to take a closer look at this issues history from 1965 forward, they would become downright belligerent.
As for California, I will reread your article, but did you note that Prop 187 it did actually comfortably pass? That was in 1994. It was almost 1998 before a corrupt Federal judge ruled it unconstitutional. It’s not much of a leap to think she likely withheld her decision to ensure that an incoming equally corrupt governor, Gray Davis, would not appeal it. Seems like the only people left out of the decision making were the residents of California. So Mr Unz, don’t blame Californians or even Republicans for the state turning a most solid blue. We did what we could to keep that from occurring. You now want to point the finger at us and say, “just look at how wrong you guys were”. Nah, I don’t think so.
Instead of engaging in back and forth bickering Mr Unz, I would like to suggest a small challenge. Tucker Carlson has recently posed 10 questions regarding issues ranging from immigration to war. I think you will find the questions are fair and well thought out. Perhaps you could give us your answers regarding the immigration related questions?
I fear you are correct about Mr Trump. I voted for him but was suspicious that his messages regarding immigration and war seemed a little too timely. Of course, the mere fact that he talked about them at all was relatively refreshing. Politically, it currently feel like deja-vu from 2006 with the Dems taking over the house, thus assuring lost opportunity about having a wall built. Frankly, you begin to wonder if this entire game is even real.
Sans the violence, Brazil is largely nice. And Brazilian immigrants to the U.S. are a nice mix. Especially the women who are passionate and sexy. Now in my middle age I find white women boring.
So many errors, this will have to be written in series format:
1. Bilingual education is back. Proposition 58 repealed your proud achievement of 227. In 2016 this repeal got 70+% of the vote. How come you don’t know this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_58_(2016)
This is the study cited in the article. These figures are staggering, if accurate:
Research Finds that U.S Murder Rate Suppressed by Improved Emergency Medical Response
– https://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/research-finds-us-murder-rate-suppressed-improved-emergency-medical-response and http://archive.is/9j2Si
Lets not forget that California is the countries leader in poverty when the cost of living is factored in. Maybe not Brazil, but starting to take on some troubling aspects of it.
Thomm the subcontinental doesn’t seem to realize when his mask slips.
When Thomm says “substantially increase skilled immigration,” he would like to see more of his father/half brother’s family get residence in the US so they can pack even more street defecating gas station clerks into the corrugated tin roofed shack he sleeps in, in order to provide better insulation from the cold during those chilly Sheboygan winter nights. Maybe 1 out of 15 of them will get a tech job updating software for a midget porn website, the other 14 will be shuttled into call centers where they will impersonate bank security personnel as they attempt to swindle old white ladies out of their dead husbands’ pension money with one scam or another.
Thomm needs a new bicycle to get to work everyday. His current one has a flat tire and he can’t get the smell of poo out of the seat no matter how many discarded pine tree air fresheners he rubs on it. Let’s do what we can to help the guy out!
But careful consideration will reveal that the major goals of the first and third groups—pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans—are actually not directly in conflict, and if they formed a political alliance, they could easily formulate legislation acceptable to both that might stand have an excellent chance of passing both houses of Congress and being signed into law by the President.
Democrats support keeping immigration high or higher for two reasons: i.) low skill immigrants dependent on public services = votes for Democrats, ii.) low skill immigrants = corporate donations for Democrats. Unlike the Republicans, they can even credibly hide behind anti-racist platitudes when anyone brings up the corporate interests in low wages/high levels of immigration.
It is hard to see California-style feudalism continuing without some serious political extremism ultimately injecting itself in the process, unless its all a result of chemtrails combined with marijuana legalization.
It’s repulsive how thirsty so many iSteve commenters are.
The CIA wants a war. Unz channels the same BS that the master class broadcasts on every website available to the sheep for their daily identity indoctrination. It works. Voting proves it works when millions of peons pledge their loyalty to the rich and powerful and turn their back on the poor. Only slow people, aka the willing slaves called the voting class, believe a difference exists between democrats and republicans. The rich know better.
California is great for the rich – always has been for the people who know better – even if their houses are consumed by fire. A Government agent like Ron has probably been tripping over poor people on the street for over 40 years. It’s not an easy life for a State brainwashing agent but technology has greatly eased the workload of profiling the flock.
I was born in then lily white Iowa in 1944. When everybody is white you don’t think of yourself as white. It wasn’t until 2016 that I began to “identify” as white. This in spite of the fact that I have been in the deep south for the last twenty years. To my great surprise a white consciousness (in the sense of class consciousness) has emerged in the U.S. outside the deep south. This in not a reaction to brown immigration or black militancy. It is a reaction to what Kunstler has bravely called the Left’s Niggerization of white people more generally known as the war on whiteness.
It’s not my working class brothers and sisters who are “people of color” who are demanding that I look at my shoes as I shuffle to the back of the bus. It’s the ruling class. Rich whites and Jews (and their useful idiots) who want to bring white people under a new Jim Crow.
A white political movement will not seek to take over Imperial Washington. It will seek separation. Not from people of color but from an oppressive and dangerous ruling class. Post imperial America, an era we have already begun, will be a time of nullification and secession.
at the rate he’s being exposed on here, he’s going to have to come up with another handle if he wants to continue the charade
he’s happy to sell out his nation if he can get some brown pssy
Kirsten Sinema. Ugh. I thought that our state was insane voting in Cuck McCain and Feckless Flake so many time.
don’t worry, they’ll join in demanding soon enough
Kempists have told us for 40 years that non-Whites will vote majority GOP, somehow, someway, someday. Kempists haven’t provided a bit of actual evidence of their assertion. Further, they have ignored the data-based argument of Mickey Kaus and others, against the conventional wisdom that anti-immigrant laws turned non-Whites away from the GOP. The reality is, except for non-Whites who themselves fled Communism (cubans, boat people), all non-Whites vote majority Dem. The second-generation Cubans and Vietnamese vote majority Dem.
The crucial difference is the difference between the liberal states of Mass. and Calif.: Mass. is majority White; Calif. is majority non-White. In Massachusetts, the GOP can elect governors, because Whites can listen to arguments and swing their votes. In California, there will NEVER be another GOP governor, because non-Whites will NEVER swing their votes as a majority. They don’t care about arguments and will always vote for the anti-White party.
Again, Kempists will never learn, but non-Whites will NEVER vote for the GOP in a majority. Kempists cling to their faith, bitterly. They’re bitter clingers. “Why didn’t the GOP…” even though the Kempists had control of the GOP for 40 years, they manage to blame others for the failure of the Kemp plan for the GOP. (Corporate-controlled, sucking up to immigrants forever).
I was wondering what the next item on the communists’ list was, after gender-neutral bathrooms. It’s designated shitting streets. Thanks!
Very true. I’m having a hard time believing all of it.
There is always such a lull once an ethnic change has been made. The “new” majority takes time away from killing the minority in order to sharpen their knives that had grown dull with use. As South Africa shows us, the rainbow needs ample amounts of crimson derived from white blood.
We are only months away from being turned Palestinians in our own home now. The dawn of the Ethnic European suicide bomber is about to dawn if any Ethnic European is to survive the coming first onslaught. It is difficult to imagine a nation of freedom loving gun owners to allow themselves to be exterminated.
Unz to white Republicans: cuck harder, faster.
Doesn’t matter who you vote for, the ruling class remains. The agenda remains the same. You as a white, matter no more than the newly arrived Mexican or Somalian. Just another debt slave.
Ask yourself why Republicans would allow this to happen. if it guaranteed putting their party out of power. Because the people that really run this country, do not care which party is in power, they control them both.
Surely after 0bama and Trump going back on all of their campaign promises, everyone would be able see this. Now ask yourself who always gets everything they want out of the “government” and you will know who is really pulling the strings. Who has Trump helped out the most since being put into office? Who does congress consistently work extra hard to please? Look at the bills that ALWAYS pass. Who did 0bama help out the most, especially after the 08-09 Wall St looting?
Who did Bush work extra hard to please?
Just look at what the Israelis are doing to the Pals, or what US military has done to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, how many political puppets are doing anything to stop it? All of the coups, assassinations and death squads Washington and Wall St have funded in Central and South America, anyone in congress making a real effort to stop it? Nah.
All started with the obvious lie of 9/11, how many politicians are calling for a new investigation into 9/11? Are they so stupid that the do not know the truth? Nah, they’re not stupid, neither are the FBI, CIA or any of the other Intel agencies, so why don’t they do their job and expose the guilty that did it?
Doesn’t matter who you vote for folks. That is why Republicans will begin losing in states like GA. Because more and more people are finally seeing through the BS, and joining the nonvoters that refuse to legitimize or encourage an illegitimate “government” that does not represent the people.
LOL, Mikey! You have a real good handle on the modern convenience-store industry, especially the work done that Americans will not doo-doo. Get too many blueberry squishies into this guy Thomm, in one morning, and you’ll start to get called a white trashionalist wigger, whatever the hell that is. He gets his best signal from the router in the port-a-potty.
It should be pointed out that President Trump did no worse with hispanics than previous Republican Presidential candidates. While I agree with Mr. Unz that the results from Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Arizon are disturbing, it should also be pointed out that this was the best midterm performance by an incumbent President’s party since 2002 (when voters rewarded W for presiding over 9-11…).
Even with an immediate immigration moratorium and mass deportations (neither of which appear likely at all), we Republicans still have a very challenging demographic problem. The GOP is already moving to target this problem with a variety of voter suppression and gerrymandering strategies, but it seems we need to go nuclear and repeal the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Judges who issue enemy injunctions against this strategy should also be impeached, or perhaps given the Old Hickory treatment.
We can probably pick up some more votes from working class whites, hispanics, and Asians by moderating our traditional pro-business policies. Republican proposals on healthcare for instance are extremely unpopular. Likewise, as Steve Sailer pointed out, the popular tax cutting program of 1980 has lost political relevance today.
The magic formula to dominate politics this century is:
-70% of the white vote
-40% of the hispanic vote
-Suppression of the “emerging” leftist electorate in Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, etc. No doubt Georgia politicians can consult some old law textbooks from the 1930s for ideas.
American blacks appear to be completely hopeless and should be stripped of all political power once more. If someone has a better idea I haven’t heard it. Hispanics, on the other hand, have quite a lot in common with working class whites. This means we country club Republicans need to moderate some of our demands. We shouldn’t run on issues like cutting the capital gains tax anymore (though on the plus side no one seems to notice this tax).
They’re not voting Democrat (albeit not that strongly and with low enthusiasm) because they’re scheming to replace us and adore illegal alien MS-13 cop killers. They’re voting on what they perceive to be their economic interests. The America-first national capitalist model is showing it can deliver the goods to workers, and now all we need to augment meant this by tackling exploitative rackets like healthcare and education.
Even Ron Unz is arguing with imaginary foes from 30 years ago. The old argument is that immigrants bring crime. The new argument is that whites, mainly whites of a Christian background, do not benefit from immigration. Massive immigration causes these people harm. Maybe not by beheadings, but by bejobbings, dechildrening and de representing. That 30% White figure of California symbolizing that we won’t become Brazil that Mr. Unz quotes also signifies something greater. Immigration pushes founding stock whites out. It pushes them into the ground.
Well, I’m hardly surprised at the vast number of comments taking sharp issue with various aspects of my analysis. But since so many of them seem to focus on the crime angle, I think I’ll deal with that.
First, the quantitative evidence seems absolutely overwhelming. People should really try reading my Hispanic Crime article from 2010 as well as my closely related Race/Crime issue from 2013. I’ll admit I haven’t bothered digging up the more recent numbers, but since my previous analysis covered 25 years of data and the results were so overwhelming, I very much doubt that anything has much changed:
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/
http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
For example, LA is now 50% Hispanic, and Homicides and most other crimes have actually dropped a bit since the 2011 totals which were the latest at the time I wrote my last article:
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Los-Angeles-California.html
Since this thread has attracted so many energetic commenters, let me repeat my challenge. There are at least 11M illegals in America, and many of you claim the true figure is far higher. Most of these illegals are Hispanic, and therefore have very distinct names. America also has over 15,000 annual homicides.
Now if Hispanics or other illegals had high crime rates, shouldn’t you at least be able to find TEN cases this year of a middle-class white person murdered by an illegal? I mean TEN out of 15,000 doesn’t sound like a lot to me. That girl in Iowa who was raped and murdered makes one, so you only need to find nine more.
Just browse the archives of Breitbart, Daily Stormer, VDare, and all the other anti-immigration websites. Use those state Most Wanted posters you’re talking about. Surely you’ll be able to find lots and lots of such murders there.
And if 11M or more illegals don’t seem to have murdered even 10 white people this year, out of 15,000 total American homicides, well then, maybe all my very detailed statistical analyses are actually correct, and Hispanics don’t have high crime rates…
only about 20 or 30 people have been killed by the fire in california. that’s half as many people as get killed by lightning strikes every year.
clearly, we can conclude that the threat to humans from fire in california is blown way, way out of proportion, and that fires in california are not really dangerous at all. we shouldn’t even spend any time talking about them, let alone worrying about them.
right mr unz?
The 1990 census for East Palo Alto can be found here:
http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/EastPaloAlto70.htm
The 2010 census here: http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/EastPaloAlto.htm
Note the change in “Spanish” to “Hispanic” in 1990, and again in 2010 to “Hispanic or Latino or Race”. Also note the large drop in the number of Blacks and African Americans.
Mr. Unz’s conclusions as to the reason in the drop in violent crime can be seen in at least 2 other ways: 1) the drop in the Black population; and
2) a population becoming more homogeneous.
The first is more obvious, and the second may be related to whether a sizeable number of the “Whites” in 1990 were actually “Hispanic or Latino”.
If there really isn’t a higher crime rate as Mr. Unz concludes, why are the crime rates increasing in the towns and small cities in middle America, that had, at one time, decent paying jobs in meat packing and slaughterhouses, now filled with low wage “Hispanic or Latino” immigrants.
You’re arguing with an old foe. The diminishing number of whites in California proves that immigration is not good for them demographically. The radical leftist politics of California proves that the state that gave us Ronald Reagan is no longer good for them politically. It’s now impossible that whites can get representation. So immigration is not good for them democratically.
Not really. The fellow was a disoriented homeless guy, who’d spent many, many years in and out of jail on petty crimes and immigration violations. Frankly, based on the newspaper articles, he sounded like he might have been a little mentally retarded or at least mentally-ill.
He claimed he found the gun while picking through the trash, which seemed pretty plausible. At least no one else came up with a better idea of how he’d gotten hold of it.
The poor woman who was shot was a complete stranger standing about 100 feet away from him.
The original theory had been that he’d fired the gun in her general direction for some idiotic sort of reason. But then they noticed that the bullet was flattened, meaning it must have ricocheted off the pavement. And they located the pavement indentation where the bullet had hit about 12 feet from where he was sitting.
So that’s the stupid story of how the poor young woman died. Not exactly a Murder One case…
There’s a disconnect between moderate hispanic crime rates in America and what prevails south of the Rio Grande. Mexico’s cartels are well known (and the country has a murder rate four times higher than America), and then we have El Salvador which has earned the dubious distinction of having a higher murder rate than average national IQ. Brazil records more murders than the rest of the world combined.
There’s some sort of serious problem with political culture in Latin America.
But then there was a time when Mexico was actually known for being safer and lower crime than America (a half century ago), so the situation may not be intractable. Brazil was also reportedly much safer during the military dictatorship.
Is this really correct? I’d like to see some evidence on such a remarkable claim.
My impression is that the whole illegal immigrant/DUI issue appeared because anti-immigration activists couldn’t find any significant number of homicides by illegals, and therefore desperately looked around for something else bad that they could say. Whenever I see anti-immigrant websites writing about those DUI deaths, it’s always anecdotal rather than statistical, basically just citing a particularly unfortunate case of some white person killed by a drunk-driving illegal.
Now let’s suppose there are 11M illegals, which is about 3% of the national population. There are about 10,000 DUI deaths per year, so we’d expect at least 300 of those to be caused by illegals. That obviously provides a huge number of anecdotal cases for those websites to chatter about.
If it’s Hispanics in general, they’re about 18% of the population, so there would be 1800 DUI deaths.
It’s certainly possible that illegals and/or Hispanics have much higher DUI homicide rates than the general population. But then again, maybe they don’t. I’d really like to see some solid, statistical evidence from someone who has researched the issue…
Most stats have stayed about the same or went up… and improvements in medical care continue to help lower the homicide rates. Rape increased 150%(this could be a change in reporting) and assaults almost doubled while theft and auto theft increased. Seems like crime in general dipped down it he middle of Obama’s presidency and came back up during his last two years.
Crime angle is irrelevant and silly.
It is cultural and political angle that is devastating.
Ron, hypothetical question for you: if you could wave your magic wand and give America any racial demographic mix at all, what would it be?
(Also, predictions please: Will Ron give a clear answer or will he waffle?)
Mr. Unz,
did you see my two posts in this comments thread on this topic, yet?
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2620372
By comparison, the UCR data shows that the rate of aggravated assault was 700 percent higher than it was in 1931.
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2620921
I believe Hispanics mostly kill other Hispanics, plus one could count white drug overdose deaths as white victims of Hispanic crime, in my opinion.
Latinos Got 77 Percent of Federal Pot Sentences Last Year
Federal charges often – but not always – indicate enterprise-level activity outside of state cannabis laws.
Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/latinos-got-77-percent-of-federal-pot-sentences-last-year and https://web.archive.org/web/20181112190513/https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/latinos-got-77-percent-of-federal-pot-sentences-last-year
Yeah. I noticed that the class divide, the difference between rich and poor, the wealth disparity or whatever they call it, was much more pronounced in California than in other states, even years ago.
I was born in California in the 1960’s. It was once a great place with very intelligent and ‘progressive’ people. They’ve been replaced by every idiotic demographic on the planet and are now the most pathetic population in the Union.
Mexicans are not bad people. Their families stay intact, they look after their homes, and they love their cars.
The problem with Mexicans in America is that they are Mexicans – Mexicans vote for one party over and over – they are not “throw the rascals out” voters.
To its detriment, Mexico was ruled by one party for over 50 years. DAAA – look at California – it is a one-party state. This is not good for democracy. Clearly the complexion of California has changed – and not for the better. In the 50’s and 60’s, the California economy was leading the world forward. Today, its major cities have a problem cleaning up feces on the streets. The Cal Mexicans did not do this – but the people they put in office – DID.
With Jews controlling the media in America – that means 11,000,000 more Schumer voters. America will become a one-party country. This is a disaster.
Think Peace — Art
C’mon, Ron. I think of you as a numbers guy. I don’t believe you have all your assumptions right, but I still think of you as a guy who looks through stats in database, as Mr. Sailer does. This TEN has been, let’s put it nicely, rectally extracted, just now as a high-ball estimate to prove a point. What makes you think that VDare is a compiler of stats? No, they put anecdotes up, though there are writers who do put up stats on VDare (it is THE go-to site on the real immigration story). These stories make the national news and the blogs.
What does not make the national news are everyday murders, robberies, and manslaughters. Lots of these may involve a victim who is not some pretty Californian or American movie director (per the Christmas Story guy – see commenter above). You can have a hard time digging these up from the local news”paper”‘s website even if you know about it and live there. Those cases won’t just pop up upon a search on bing and google. They are just ordinary people, white, black, hispanic themselves, getting their lives ruined by Mexicans with 0.35% blood alcohol, or beat up in a robbery gone right. Oftentimes, the crimes are not solved, so we can’t rally say. TEN?
I still want to know how you know that the numbers of Hispanics convicted of crimes includes those who skip town/country (lots of them) and why you think that “white hispanics” are not counted as white by many police departments and “black hispanics” as black. Lastly, the wanted posters have a whole lot of Hispanics on them where I live, though it’s neck-and-neck with the black guys.
niteranger: You nailed it!..I read this entire article. I do Not see how Ron can state some of his stats and ignore what the nations top illegal/& Immigrant watchdog orgs have stated. Those watchdog orgs, like Numbers usa I think its called, have shown rock solid proof again and again that. Every single Day in America…All of the usa Nation, each Day has an average of 25 Deaths of legit usa citizens. About 1/2 and 1/2 split between…Illegal Mexican and other central America illegals who Drive without a driver Lic nor any auto insurance…That group causes half or 12-13 deaths per day…While the rest of citizen deaths are by Violent Criminal Illegals mostly Mexican with some central or south American illegals…This does Not count Legal or green card type immigrant Hispanics.
Then as stated prior by niterangers post, in every stats on crimes I ever yet saw…Most times when a Mexican or other type Hispanic has been a crime Victim…Then they are Placed within the Hispanic/Non white category stats…Yet at same time, when the criminal Perp is a Hispanic or Mexican…legit immigrant/illegals or usa citizen alike. Those Perps are placed into the White perp category…Which massively skews stats to reflect greater white perps vs non white perp…and greater number of non white victims.
ALSO, Ron seems to think entirely Backwards on it all…Example several times his theme seems to be that, If Only Repubs and conservative repubs would just Act and Do much more like Dems who are 100% Pro every illegal and legit alien alive on planet attitudes…Then all will be super swell for everyone…WRONG!….What? ever first Caused any repub official’s to even consider to take the anti illegal and anti immigrant stance or policies?…Can it be that its a Reaction to all these multi millions illegals? Include also as many if not yet more Legal aliens flooding in?
Typically Cry’s for new laws, or law changes, never happen before the crime or problem exists.
If as Ron seems to desire of, that Repubs will stop it and switch game plan to be more like pro aliens and pro non whitey immigrants like dems are, happens…What reason do we still need Two different political parties for?…Repubs may as well just become a dem, all repubs switch to Dems..Because in effect that is all we will end up with on this Main Top nation Wrecker issue.
I usually like and agree with most of Rons ideas and articles etc…However….as to This article?
Sorry but Rons entire attitude is way far off kilter. And also to use California as an example today, for the many claims he made in favor of even more alien invaders, especially non whites, is loony.
Of Course. Fox news or even CNN or any other tv news, that goes into calif to ask folks there how they like being sanctuary state now?…Come on!…Sure now that about the Only whites left are Americas daffiest and looniest of loony Dem Libs, since many repubs left and so did many other whites…What else can be expected but some stupid lib women gushing how wonderful sanctuary state is…Maybe send tv news crews into Rural and small to medium American cities and towns to ask how they too will like a sanctuary city or entire sanctuary Nation….I think an entire Different reply will be found. I have my plan already. If My Rural area, which I had to leave Detroit and all perks large city life offers, as a trade off to live with No negroes nor mexicans et al, ever changes due to policys or agendas like Ron is so apt to desire for the usa?…I will Move again, into a Motor home or fifth wheel for a permant home and remain in Motion as often as necessary to keep avoiding life among Non Whites. Even if that means I, lose my home mortgage, ruin my 830-840 fico score, and wreck my credit status forever!…I simply Refuse to any longer be within 200 miles of typical non whites. Life is more boring rural yes, far less to do, no huge mall stores, not many babe women here, and closest stores and gasoline is 10 miles rnd trip..But very Well worth all the loss of such perks to remain in All White areas, period. That may give a good idea where my attitudes are at eh…43 years from birth in Detroit and I have Had it up to Here with both negroes and hispanics…especially their mexican 24/7/365 Circus Music on Loud always, and two dozen junk cars on front lawns, with too many kiddies to count making more loud noises than their Circus music sounds…NO THANKS PERIOD. Never again. Rather live Mobile in a motor home.
Next to the dems antigun crap agendas, I consider everything related to Non White Immigration, legal and illegal alike, Both, to be an equal huge importance…The Top Two main issues we face as a nation, period.
About the Only thing worse than having America filled with so many non whites, would be if at same time frame, we were Disarmed by a huge combo effort of antiguun dems+antigun Browns/Blacks+Antigun Jews which are the leaders of Both detrimental efforts to destroy whites and America as a nation. A new third world nation of Minority and Disarmed Whites who’s ancestors founded and created this nation…Now run by a combo of various Non Euro White nation wrecking Ingrates. NO THANKS RON!
Since Latin American immigrants come from countries with notoriously high rates of crime, Mr. Unz’s conclusions smack of “Magic Dirtism.” John Lott thinks so too:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992
that’s odd
Ron said hispanics don’t commit crimes at a higher rate
False. Only a 70-IQ dunce would still think that. Mikemikedotmike fails to see how loudly be broadcasts his own stupidity (as well as his extreme homosexuality).
Plus, didn’t you idiots say that I was Jewish, just last week. At the same time, you said Thorfinsson and DB Cooper are Indian (they are not).
Lastly, none of the actual South Asian commenters (rec1man, Corvinus, Talha, Malla) think I am from their part of the world.
If you took off your gimp suit once in a while and went outside, you might have a clue about the world.
Now, get off my lawn before I call pest control.
Heh heh heh heh
What you in Calif. Call:…I would argue in detail that there has occurred a shift from an ethos of “proficient, conscientious, fastidious” to a philosophy of>>> “get it basically right.”<<<
When I was still in Detroit pre-1995, it was called…"Just Nigger-Rig It" Or slang wise it was "Nig-Rig It"…..1970's affirmative action negro hire quotas, ended in Badly built Autos, which ended in Jap Car sales taking over of the Big Three Auto makers, and too many good pay/benefits Jobs you can count gone, destroyed by LBJ/Dems/Negroes.
So now, even with No Lack, No Shortages, of Negroes in usa, a brand new solution is presented to us…of..Lets just Add as Many or even More numbers of Browns/Hispanics and dot indans, than we now have of negroes…..Just enough to cause Euro Whiteys to become a tiny Minority in America. Maybe this will fix and repair all damages done the past 55-60 yrs worth of former Dem lib commie agendas like LBJ's etc eh?….Yeah, sure its a good fix…That'll be the day.
Well, yeah, 57% of them … per Niteranger above.
Are you sure, Art, you’re not writing to us from 1985, when the Mexicans in LA drove all those classic American cars that came out of auction for unpaid parking tickets and drug running?
Or, maybe you’re writing from the year 2,000, when there were 11 million illegal aliens ESTIMATED to be in the US.
Welcome, anyway, from across the internet of time.
Ron, your article is a masterpiece of rationalization, defined as the action of attempting to explain or justify behavior or an attitude with logical reasons, even if these are not appropriate.
Folk’s in California have not seen anything yet. Here is some background for folk’s.
Sep 6, 2017 “Class Warfare?” Absolutely!
“Class war fare” is the pejorative du jour in Washington these days. Behind … Classwarfare is nothing new. Plato spoke about it in his great dialogue, The Republic, more than … Smith, the “founding father” of modern free market capitalist theory, also wrote about class…
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-fair-society/201110/class-warfare-absolutely
1974 California Gov. Jerry Brown and the Gasoline Shortage
Although wage and price controls that had been imposed by President Nixon were largely ended in 1974, elaborate price controls on oil continued, producing a gasoline shortage. The shortage led to long lines at gasoline stations, particularly in California and rationing through “odd-even” plans based on license plate numbers.
Politics is dull in CA because it is now a one party sate. The only argument btwn political candidates in the perma-blue states of the West Coast and the Northeast is who is more left wing and woke, because they essentially agree on everything else — open borders, equality aka equal outcome for all, LGBTQ rights, tax the rich, free healthcare for all, free college education for all, and oh yeah, they all hate Trump.
I cannot stress enough how demagogues have permeated politics, divvying up voting blocks on the basis of their race, gender, sexual orientation and, as you’ve pointed out, their citizenship status. California is the Socialist Canary-in-the Coal Mine, as far as how these political shenanigans benefit democrats, granting that party virtually unlimited opportunities to raise taxes, fees/fines/foibles (Casinos, Lotteries,Tobacco Taxes, Alcohol Revenues, Pot and Pornography.) and funds, wholly without consideration for fiscal restraint, or for the struggles of low income citizens, while exploding numbers of addictions to those vices are occurring. It’s as if the Mob has taken full control of our state. Illegal aliens actually have developed the attitude that they’re an Endangered Species, and they’re accorded special protections as a reward for their democratic votes . Basically, you could characterize California as a Petri Dish for the successful introduction of Socialism to America. Our state is becoming unlivable, with criminality and immorality being commonplace, and even encouraged with weak sentencing, and restoration of voting rights for felons You can be assured who they’ll vote for……
Here are some more up to date stats.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/017.pdf
Homicides among Latino/Hispanics are indeed down over the past 30 years, but the same can be said across all categories. Latino/Hispanic homicide rates are still nearly twice that of White non-Hispanic/Latinos, but only one-quarter that of Blacks, who are killed at a rate 6x that of Whites even though black homicides have been nearly cut in half over the past 30 years.
But to your point about Hispanic/Latino crime, specifically homicide, are the numbers lower over time because America has become a less violent country, because emergency care is so much better? Or have the most violent among them culled themselves out over time (note the steep decline from 16.2 per 100,000 in 1992 to 5.2 in 2016)?
Finally, 11m has been the official stat since the ’80s, and it grows old to hear that figure, which recent research suggests is at least half of the actual figure.
Mar 2, 2015 OverCriminalized • Alternatives to Incarceration
OverCriminalized profiles three promising and less expensive alternatives to incarceration that may actually change the course of people’s lives. It’s time to roll back mass criminalization and focus on what works.
Aug 7, 2013 Did You Know #1 – The Myth of Police Protection
Did you know that the police have NO DUTY to protect you? In this episode of DYK, we examine the myth of police protection by first looking at the popular view of police, then contrasting it with the cases of Jessica Gonzales and Joe Lozita.
I’m sure when the US goes belly up (and it just might, sooner than you think), your beloved coloreds will take care of traitors like you first (no one likes a snitch).
Indeed, Snitches get Stitches…or..Body Bags.
Typical standard MO for the Coloreds is…First they seek out a White to harm or kill, if no Whites are close by, then second choice is to simply attack and harm or kill their fellow Coloreds.
Yet goofy virtue signaler dem lib commie whiteys, still believe their staunch and unquestioned support and defense for Coloreds, will somehow endow them to their Colored Pets. So that when the big fiasco blow out created, due to said dem lib goofy lefty commies, finally occurs Coloreds are certainly going to do every possible thing to, protect and defend those idiotic dem lib commies.
Sooo Blind to reality, the Blind leading the other Blind fools straight Off the Cliff. And you just cannot make this stuff up!
You forgot the most important: ban immigration form India and repatriate you back to India.
Steve stopped writing about L.A. politics because it’s a gone case. Whites who remained in L.A. have either given up, or are fringe whites who are Jewish, gay, trans, socialists, restaurant industry people, sleazy Democratic politicians looking for votes, commies, academics, employers like farmers who hire illegals, tech industry HR people, developers and real estate agents busy selling to foreign buyers, immigration lawyers, or public employees and therefore largely liberal. CA has become an economy of foreigners, by foreigners, and for foreigners.
All those people who claimed to support immigration on TV did it out of fear of repercussion. Political correctness is a necessity if you want to survive in CA(or any perma-blue state like WA, OR, HI, MA, CT, NY). Anyone who dares say anything negative whatsoever about immigration is committing social and career suicide. But do not confuse acquiescence with acceptance. Lots of whites in these states espouse liberal views on immigration, yet privately disdain and stay away from immigrants esp. anyone who speaks with an accent. If liberals really are that in love with immigrants, we wouldn’t still have segregated schools, and it goes beyond low performing Hispanic and black dominant schools, even Silicon Valley now has majority Asian schools because whites leave when Asians begin to dominate, even if they are high performing schools. Liberal whites are some of the most hypocritical people on earth when it comes to race.
Ron is in serious denial on immigration.
I have seen a reasonable amount of commentary to the effect that it was meant to apply to the descendants of slaves and not to any foreign national’s who managed to pop out babies while on US soil.
Can you point to well thought out arguments to the opposite?
Here is a clip of Thomm doing his things.
These are skilled and talent people. They are the best and the brightest. We definitely need more of these people coming here.
Also of Note: While as You stated that…But to your point about Hispanic/Latino crime, specifically homicide, are the numbers lower over time because America has become a less violent country, because emergency care is so much better? Or have the most violent among them culled themselves out over time (note the steep decline from 16.2 per 100,000 in 1992 to 5.2 in 2016)?
During same time frame, usa total firearms bought, and ownership of guns has aprox. Doubled.
Very Important to remember when us House control by Dems now, and with every major house committee chair head leader being the very Same virulent Rabidly, Foam at Mouth, Antigun Jewish Dem leaders, begin their usual non stop, constant whiny crys for MORE antigun Laws…
That fact of less than 1/2 violent crimes & murders since 1992, proves that..Guns are simply NOT the main problem at all. Regardless if crime stats show low or higher numbers of violent crimes and murders, the biggest overall Factor Was, Is, and very likely Will remain, Militant, Violent Negroes are key main factor component of it. Negroes Not Guns are problem #1. FBI Violent crime Stats well prove this year after year after year, since fbi began to compile such crime stats about 50 yrs ago.
the root of repatriate has positive connotations
“thom” is nothing more than a barnacle to be scraped from the hull
Ron’s declaration of victory over bilingual education is premature. It is back but under a different name – Dual Language Immersion. Our district in liberalism gone off the deep end Western WA recently added this program in 2 schools that are less than 10% Hispanic. The district claimed it was backed by “popular demand” in the community, though no parent I know has ever requested it. The new program seeks to be 50-50 starting in Kindergarten, 50% of instructions will be in English, 50% in Spanish. The goal is to have each class be 50% Hispanic, 50% white — to promote “cross-cultural understanding”.
Libtards will not be happy until America is 90% non-white, 100% gay/transgender, and 100% Spanish speaking, with the remaining 10% whites be mostly Jewish, gay/trans and Spanish speaking.
The higher the (government-enforced) minimum wage, the more crime and poverty it will spawn.
Over time, the depredations of any fixed minimum wage decline inexorably as inflation roars on.
Kumbaya Indeed! This article reads like the 60s song “If you’re going to San Francisco you better were some flowers in your hair.” For example: how wonderful that there is bilingual education in California. But the fact of the matter is that the US is de facto (de jure?) virtually (literally?) bi- lingual. Statistics describing various material phenomena do not capture the culture of a society. It is the ‘culture – war’ that is basis of and what European (aka white) people are responding too. How does Ron explain the masses of people that show up to Trump rallies? They all watch and are brainwashed by Fox News? No! They are experiencing something real in their lives. What that something is I’m not sure. But it is something more than the nightly news broadcast.
Spot on.
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2620618
You agree with Ron Unz that immigrants (I will assume he includes the descendants of immigrants) and the the country they are in will do best if they assimilate to that country’s culture.
I take the opposite view and think that if they must stay, immigrants should not only be allowed to have their own ways and language, they should actually be discouraged from bringing up children in an assimilated way . Of course the best place to give the children and grandchildren the culture they need to flourish is in their parents’ or grandparents’ homeland.
If Hispanics really are that low crime, why do so many stores in Hispanic dominant areas have bars on their windows? Why are 16 out of 20 of the most dangerous cities in the world in Latin America?
Over 42% of violent criminals in CA are Hispanic. Fully 27% of criminals in our federal prisons are non-citizens, mostly again Hispanic. The most famous gang banger schools are all Hispanic. The most violent gang in America is MS-13, a Hispanic gang. A hispanic male is 3x more likely than a white male to commit a crime, and a black male 5x more likely. Recently WaPo reported that less than 10 miles away from the White House, hispanic gangs are so virulent in a local high school the teachers are afraid to go in everyday. These are stats that you can easily find on the web which Ron ignores.
Ron needs to prove his own point by moving to a neighborhood that’s 80% Hispanic. Until then, he’s another liberal hypocrite when it comes to race, and his crime statistics on Hispanics are highly manipulated like all mainstream media statistics.
Mr. Unz, demographics and fraud result in Dems success in current elections. The 1965 immigration act, which was supposed to NOT CHANGE the demographics was the death blow to the heritage demographic and culture. Reagan in 1986 succumbed to sentiments from Reps and caved.
If say 200,000,000 more minorities, are “allowed” in, what difference does it make if they are legal or illegal. For all but in name, America will cease to exist.
Observations are made today of treatment of Christians throughout most of the world, and the experience of South African heritage whites predicts the future.
Living as you do in the cocoon of California, you are unable to recognize and process the anger of the “radical middle” identified by Sam Francis. They will not go quietly into that dark demographic night. For if whites are dispossessed in the country as a whole, what is the point of calling this their country?
Unless Trump is successful at turning this around, ominous developments will manifest.
i.e. import all of India and China because all 2.5 billion of those people are “highly skilled”, “best and brightest”.
Are you effing kidding me?
Indians are the world’s biggest scam artists. Type in “Microsoft tech support” on Google and start calling those 800 numbers, 9 out of 10 are Indian scam artists looking to download all kinds of viruses on your machine to scam you.
Our % of crime (Argentina) is lower than in the US , same for Uruguay and Chile.
So tired of this defense of Mexicans in Mexifornia.
Even if Mexican immigrants don’t commit more crimes than whites (which is doubtful, but let’s accept the premise), they are worse in many other aspects such as littering, graffiti, fraud, etc.
And even if they were model citizens, still there was and is no reason to bring millions of them and completely turn California into, basically, Latin America with more money and better government.
California now sucks, simply because it has millions of Mexicans. The cost of living is high, house are expensive (and they want to institute rent control, to worsen things!) traffic is insane, there is a water shortage, lots of homeless people, etc. Not to mention the fires, which, directly or indirectly are a result of increasing population.
Yes, the rich are happy because they can have cheap servants and maids. Screw them. I for one think they all should die in a tsunami. For “normal people”, California sucks more and more.
you need to understand the invaders
When I was growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, any mention of CA immediately conjured up the image of “Valley girls”, gorgeous CA blondes and surfer dudes. Then came the Jews and gays and brought with them mass immigration and the coalition of the fringes. These days when I think of CA I think of Hispanic gangs, Asian nerds in the tech industry, gays, Jewish lawyers and scary looking whites with neck tattoos who work in the restaurant industry.
Ron’s point is valid. Hispanics aren’t the worst people in the world, and to the extent they displace blacks, they lower crime rates. But their colonization of the USA has still ruined the country, well them and all the other immigrants. A lot of us simply prefer to live with whites.
I find it strange that Ron cites Sailer to bolster his case. Sailer may have gotten tired of the subject in recent years, but between 2010 and 2014 he frequently cited all the small ways the mediocre Mexican-American population degrades the quality of life. Littering, low test scores, playing music on speaker phone, and corner cutting. Anyone who’s worked in a diverse environment can more these smaller issues, and note how much more pleasant it is to work with Anglo Saxons. Mestizos aren’t especially violent but they are hardly the best people.
I suppose there’s no use bitching about it. White Americans are an exhausted non-people. Most of them recoil from the notion that a white majority is desirable, and are content to watch TV series and go out to restaurants. America will in time be ruled by the likes of that awful Cortes woman, it’s what we deserve. We have to settle for an America that is merely an economic zone, a place to work and spend money, rather than a nation.
lol, wait for that
The 50 most dangerous cities in America (the continent)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate (I do not know why Johannesburg was included)
5 are in the US. No Argentinian, Uruguayan, Chilean, Bolivian, Paraguayan, Costa rican, Cuban city on that list.But, hey…, Latin America is quite dangerous unlike in the US, where we are exceptional and indispensable and the safest country in the hemisphere.
Keep believing your own propaganda if that makes you happy.
If criminals have one common trait, it is their low threshold of boredom. They cannot function among productive, law abiding citizens. Criminals (I lived with one, so this is first-hand information..) are classic examples of sociopaths, who regard other people as marks for any number of scams and physical threats they can pull on them. Jails merely serve as training centers for these miscreants. Rather than rehabilitating crooks, they leave those facilities as more knowledgeable practitioners of crime. I came to the realization that Law Enforcement is a system that is dependent upon the continuation of crimes, which will inevitably occur after crooks are released. Alternatives to incarceration may seem attractive to social engineers, but they never had to deal with a true predatory criminal in their unprotected, vulnerable citizen elements.
I heard several false notes in this article. I am afraid that Ron Unz is not entirely honest here. His real motive is still hidden.
And boobs. Copulating with (down with) OPP is a normal male instinct, isn’t it? I love taking my dad to his medical appointments because they have some knockout Brazilian receptionists there who wear skin-tight outfits and low-cut tops. And they go out of their way to flaunt their assets. I love brown women and Latinas! I grew up in whitopia middle America and dated nothing by Nordic-looking white women. I was deprived! But I fixed that by marrying a brown woman. Best. Decision. I. Made.
Most of the immigration since 1965 has come from the Western Hemisphere. Western Hemisphere immigration, astonishingly, was non-quota under the 1924 law (largely due to pressure from Texan business interests). That’s not to defend the 1965 law, but maintaining the 1924 law wouldn’t have saved California either.
Well, just out of curiosity, I dropped by that Daily Stormer website, and just today they had FOUR cases of whites murdered by blacks (plus another case of a black guy who killed his white wife, which doesn’t count).
Assuming that’s fairly average, they probably provide 1,000 cases each year of whites murdered by blacks. So surely if you browse their archives, you can find at least TEN cases of whites murdered by Hispanics. If not, maybe you should warn everyone that the Daily Stormer is covering up Hispanic crime because they’re secretly part of the Open Borders Lobby.
Well, Kate Steinle was a totally unknown young woman until she was killed by an illegal and therefore became world famous. That unfortunate girl in Iowa was also totally obscure, until she became very famous for the same reason. My guess is that there are hundreds of anti-immigrant activists constantly on the lookout for any ordinary white person murdered by a Hispanic illegal, who then work very hard to ensure that the homicide reaches the national headlines, while ignoring nearly all of the 15,000 other annual homicides.
*Obviously* that’s a serious problem with the crime statistics. That’s why all the methodologies I followed in my Hispanic Crime article were exactly designed to get around that problem. You really should read the article…
Plenty of white people have “South American ancestry.” You are conflating race with geography. I assume you are interested in mestizos, Amerindians, mulattos, and so on who “claim to be white” but are not. Being white (or not) has no more to do with having roots in South America (or not) than does, say, being black (or not) have to do with having roots in North America (or not): for hundreds of years white people have been being born in South America and black people have been being born in North America. (I concede that on a large scale of time we can indeed speak of only whites having roots in Europe, only blacks having roots in Africa, and so on; but by that measure no one has roots in America, north or south – the Amerindians came of Asia…anyhow it gets increasingly hazy and silly the farther one takes it – we all have roots in prokaryotic marine sludge.
What’s more, very few South Americans have much to do with the matter at hand in any case: the vast majority of those so-called “Hispanic” persons invading the F.U.S.A. come from southern North America: Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, El Salvador, etc.
We speak of illiteracy and innumeracy, is there a ingeogracy or some such? Because this phenomenon really needs a name so it can be “A Thing” and get denounced more.
No, you entirely misinterpreted that government document. The figures were for *dying* by homicide, not *committing* homicide.
Hispanics, especially recent immigrants, tend to be considerably less wealthy than whites, so a substantial fraction of them are forced to live in more dangerous neighborhoods, which obviously means they’re more likely to get murdered.
Consider the case of Korean liquor store owners in South-Central LA during the 1980s and 1990s, or perhaps NYC taxi drivers during that same period. I’d assume that they suffered homicide rates that were vastly higher than the general population. But I doubt they were *committing* homicides in huge numbers.
You really should read my article. I go through all these statistical issues in considerable detail, using several very robust methodologies…
You’re right: the Indians from India are incredibly racialist. Because India was once an English colony, the upper castes have had access to Western educational institutions. Generally speaking, first generation Indian-Americans in government, academia, and media operate with an agenda to supplant the increasingly disappearing white ruling class and become the rulers of the ever growing brown horde. “Blacks with brains”, as Clinton-Podesta crony Neera Tanden once joked.
I was in the tech industry since before it was cool, when it was still dominated by nerds. What changed? Back when SV was dominated by the Hewlett-Packard, Jobs-Wozniak type of uncool nerds, there was integrity in the industry, techies got into tech because they were genuinely seduced by the power of computers, not because of the money(because there was little), and the industry was small enough almost everyone who worked in it was a techie nerd. Then came the dotcom boom 2.0, and this time, the entrants are very different, the founders of dotcom 2.0 are mostly Jews, funded by venture capitalists who are again Jews, and that was the beginning of the end.
Anything that makes a lot of money will always attract Jews, and when Jews take over an industry, they will invariably run it to the ground with their greed and lack of self-restraint, like they did everything else, from Wall Street to Hollywood, politics, law, medicine, media, academia and now Silicon Valley. The tech industry has grown so much that majority of people who work in SV today are not real techie software engineers, but the supporting staff like HR, diversocrats, sales, marketing, legal, finance, tech support, customer service, operations, web editors, “creatives” aka web designers etc., and of course the Venture Capitalists who are all Wall Street transplants, i.e. overwhelmingly liberal arts majors who are very liberal.
The overwhelming majority of software engineers over 40 are opposed to the H1b visa because they rightly see it as the employers way of replacing older engineers with young cheaper imports from India. But this group of people are increasingly the minority in the tech industry, shouted down by the younger peripheral staff that are dogmatic in their liberal, socialist zeal.
The upshot is SV has become another industry taken over by Jews, i.e. crazy liberal, dogmatic, ruthless, greedy, dishonest, sexually depraved, highly unequal, narcissistic, self-serving, full of hypocrisy, and surrounded by like-minded fortune seekers from around the world a.k.a. equally self-serving, rootless economic migrants who are here to take whatever they can while the taking is good, fuck everyone else and fuck country.
Don’t you miss the IQ points in your offspring?
I am also a long-time California resident, dividing my time between Los Angeles and Sacramento. I would say that both you and Mr. Unz are premature in declaring that this state is safe from Brazilification. If the white liberal ruling class, in their current madness, get their way, California will absorb continuous waves of people who are illiterate in their own language. The institutions of government and civil society will disintegrate.
I wish this is true so they can stay in their own country and build their Hindu Wakanda. Average IQ 82, not much brain. Even the subcon here are dumb but with a huge ego and hide their cluelessness well. That’s why India is a $hithole. Just google ‘Filthy India’ and take a look.
No, I meant that. While I’m sure a number of Latino/Hispanic homicides were at the hands of blacks, it is not unreasonable to assume a large proportion was at the hands of other Latino/Hispanics. If they are living in dangerous neighbourhoods, it is danger largely from their own kind with an occasional interracial drive-by.
Well put. The one (((group))) who want to destroy the west know who their biggest competition is, it’s the people who gave the world the industrial revolution and built the most advanced civilizations in the world today. The New World Order requires the complete subjugation of such a people, and the only way to do that is by seizing the propaganda machine – media and academia — by hammering white guilt into them so that enough will come along and vote against their self-interest by opening up their countries to be run over by the low IQ black and brown hordes.
As Arnold Toynbee said, civilizations don’t die, they commit suicide. Western civilization is committing suicide on a grand scale, thanks to the fifth columnists among us who now dominate the most important institutions in this country, are actively trying to stifle dissent, and brazenly and shamelessly committing election fraud when Americans try to rebel.
The only people who want mass immigration for the West are people who hate the West and want to see it destroyed from within, simple as that. It’s a revenge 2,000 years in the making.
But I take your point, that I am working backwards and making a huge assumption.
Dave McGowan’s book, Programmed to Kill (2004), is fascinating and very disturbing.
I think it may have been a policemans’s gun, and that was a story all by itself.
Well, look, you can believe whatever you want…
But then why is it that the most heavily Latino/immigrant cities in America also generally tend to have some of the lowest homicide/serious crime rates in America?
I discussed all this evidence at considerable length in my article, along with the numerous follow-up columns that addressed various responses and critiques.
I can’t see why I should bother repeating myself in this comment-thread.
You said ‘It will be more socialism and income distribution and then the decline of our nation.’
I think you are forgetting that nearly 90% of those the USA governs are among the 92% that must share the 8% of the total wealth not yet scooped up by the 1%ers. Capitalism with monopoly is quite different from capitalism without monopoly powers; just as democracy where everyone votes on laws not people, is quite different from republics were the masses (all but 527 people are denied access to their own government) are restricted to vote for the puppets of the Oligarchs.
The USA has given its 1%ers monopolies (copyright, patents, franchises, massively privileged government contracts and the like) and the 1%er monopoly recipients have used those gifts to transfer the wealth and the wealth producing capacity of the nation into to the possession of the 1%ers. Worse, they are trying to destroy the education system so that no one can independently compete with the 1%ers.
Three are three ways to fix this:
1 annex Mexico into America and let the Spanish voters over rule the Jewish 1%ers.
2. remove copyright, patents, government franchises and let capitalism return to free and open markets, tax everyone back to the same income level year after year, eliminate wealth transfer by bequeath.
3. nationalize all businesses with receipts greater than $1 million
One of these three events is going to happen..not just in America to the USA, but in every Republic type Democracy around the globe. The 1%ers can no longer hold their lead over the masses because the 1%ers are depending on the 92% (the masses) to defend an indefensibly unjust condition, because Robots are going to eliminate the need for blue collar, and because the world is rising to defend the rights and privileges of equal distribution that justice demands.
With regard to the last part of your statement: I do not think transformation to a leaderless society will result in a decline in our America, though it may result in the demise of the USA (something different may emerge), instead I see a most successful new environment. An environment that protects free market democracy and equality of political rights among everyone. A world where everyone contributes to everything, a world where highly paid leaders or highly paid footballers still get their pay, but taxes make them disappear, contributions will be expected without increase in pay, and contributions will be made not because the contributor expects a monetary benefit but because his or her contributions leads to or is intended to lead to a better world for occupying humanity.
Around the globe this phenomena is talking place. Everyone is waking to the structural corruption the Oligarchs have established in the nation state system. The nation state system has been used to distribute monopoly powers to a very few, and the awesome powers of government have been used to protect the benefits of those monopolies to the same few. This structural corruption has held in back the advancement and wealth sharing the masses of humanity are entitled. It is a human right that all humans share the same earth equally with the same rank and privilege. We don’t need to distinguish ourselves from each other, we have a new challenge: the robot.
The nation state system has enabled a very few to restrict and retard the advancement of the many; ironically, its abuses have been so extreme that the unfairness of the situation has come to the attention of the masses.
“…their own land with their own people…” – you’re kidding, right? The very fact that certain Jewish people with wealth and influence promote open borders and anti-religious “diversity” everywhere on the planet except “Israel” tells you plenty. It is a colonial settler project, and still trying very hard to erase all the REAL people of the land there. They wouldn’t last a week with open borders, and I’ve never heard any criticism about LGBTQXYZ+++ rights over there.
Ron’s article is intelligent and well-reasoned – LEGAL immigration has done far more damage to the America of old than illegal, and such intense focus on “rapists and murderers” makes the Republicans and Trump seem far more racist than they really are. Plus the ridiculous battle over Obamacare was handled badly – it doesn’t matter that it was a terrible and expensive policy, most human beings on earth want free health care. Trump also could have won a ton more votes to the Republicans by – not being such a fanatical pro-Zionist and getting out of Syria, Afghanistan,etc. Both of those things didn’t require Congressional votes and were well within his power to do (or not do in the case of “Israel”).
Finally, the USA faces difficulty with the immigration question because it is historically an immigrant nation. However, there is nothing inherently immoral about the nation deciding that they are now “full” and making it hard to become a citizen unless you are a certain sort of person – like everywhere else on the planet.
Average IQ of Filipinos: 86, even lower than the 88 of Mexicans, and barely 1 point above the mean black IQ in the US. There’s a reason why Philippine is such a shithole that so many of their women would sell themselves to get here. If you love Filipinos that much, move there. We need a 20 year moratorium on immigration, from anywhere, period, even Western Europe since they’re all a bunch of socialistards these days.
Aaaand as any white trashionalist wigger from 1994 could have predicted, another copy and paste reply from the Shiva of Sheboygan.
Your lack of creativity in coming up with any kind of new low grade insult only enforces the stereotypes higher thinking people have of you and other dot bots.
Our local fast food places have been completely taken over by the immigrant horde. Service has gone from “What can I get for you today?” to “Fuck you, what do you want?”
The brainwashing is complete in the UK/Ireland. The tribe’s done an amazing job taking over the media and academia, finance, law, politics, marrying themselves into British aristocracy after the industrial revolution when the British landed gentry lost their farmers to the factories and were going bankrupt. Brits are the biggest cucks in the world today, even more so than the French who are at least trying to enforce secularism and the French language. The Irish are just the poor man’s Brit, always trying to ape big brother even as they feign disdain.
Here’s another way to look at it. If illegal immigrants have around the same crime rate as white Americans, why do they need sanctuary cities?
Sanctuary cities do not protect just immigration violators. SB-54 protects illegal immigrants who have driven drunk, tortured and abused animals and slapped their spouses around.
So again, if the crime rate is the same, why the need for special treatment?
Who are the elites of CA who have beautiful homes with the ocean view? Jews, gays who run the movie or tech industries, finance, or law. They are well insulated from the immigrant horde they seek to import en masse, except when Juanita comes to clean their their house 2 days a week and Jose comes to mow the lawn.
Who live inland? Middle class and poor whites who have to live with the immigrant horde.
Hispanics are everywhere in Massachusetts. One city has 75,000 Hispanic residents. It’s a drug haven. Heroin is huge. So is cocaine.
Hispanics are always getting arrested for selling drugs. It’s seems like their main occupation. Barber shops and selling fancy rims for shitty cars is another favorite.
They are not so much into violent crime. Fighting isn’t a high priority. Knife and gun related crimes aren’t as popular as one might think.
They are morally bankrupt. Committed monogamous relationships are not too common. Std’s are shared regularly and multiple pregnancies with various men is the norm.
They abuse the welfare system. Section 8 puts a roof over nearly all their heads. Almost all are on food stamps.
Litter is everywhere.
They are materialistic. And poor. Not a sustainable combination.
They eat like shit.
Most do terrible in school. When your parents are too busy fucking the neighbor, or neighbors, this usually is the consequence.
I don’t know what Hispanics are like in California. Seems Ron Unz is going to bat for them. I will admit, Hispanics in California seem more assimilated. They speak clear English.
Nevertheless, a rising Hispanic population is not desirable. For their limited numbers, a seemingly high percentage are trash. I think well to do Hispanics know this. For this reason they marry whites. Well to do Hispanic women like white men.
They’re entrepreneurial capitalists, in Ayn Rand’s playbook.
Brazil is only around 2% Asian, if Asian immigrants had moved into Brazil after the 1990s, the country would have acquired a very different character. So a California that is 40% white and 15% Asian doesn’t encounter the dysfunction, when you consider the settlement patterns in the state. The vast sums of tech/entertainment industry wealth, and foreign capital surging into real estate, means that you can buy off far more people than Lula ever could with the Bolsa Familia.
The money dries up, this all changes. Ron is clueless to think that the border is a Magic Line that causes Hispanics to depart from the rampant criminality in their homelands. This “Hispanics don’t crime” ignores the countries with the highest homicide rates in the world. And its not as if you need large amounts of violence to distribute drugs.
Should I forget to mention the top income tax rate of 13%.
Change the demographics back.
No that would be *much* harder than the EO I mentioned, one that denies future visa/green card/citizenship for any non-citizen who voted.
And there is another factor, the white population is in absolute decline and there has been substantial outmigration to other states. When there is nowhere to run, you’ve got a cornered animal.
Perma-left rule at the national level means gun confiscation, explicit anti-white quotas, and even ANC-style “land reform” could be on the offing. Even at the low end, the country is set to see increased extremist violence, with a probable police state.
Some people truly must not care, feeling they will be dead by then, or either they or their children will have a ethnic-religious supermajority state in the Middle East that will welcome them. Or for the “principled anti-zionists” Singapore will be their new home.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Thanks Ron, for all of the above.
Treason trials.
Expulsion.
Sovereign money
End Parasitism.
ron needs to see a shrink for his autism.
I discussed all this evidence at considerable length in my article, along with the numerous follow-up columns that addressed various responses and critiques.
autism is incredibly sad!
immigration is NOT a purely fact based political discourse.
it’s also an aesthetic discourse.
autistic people have NO sense of beautiful and ugly and therefore have nothing to say.
Ron:
You make some good points. Clearly illegal immigrant crime is not the huge issue that Trump insinuates that it is. It is something that is designed to rile up voters.
No doubt your work on opposing “bilingual education” a couple decades ago helped society in CA overall. Thank you for that.
However, you are apparently stuck in the mode (it’s easy for all of us to do) of defending your accomplishments and research results (with respect to hispanic crime, etc.) and not looking at the big picture. You are also (as it’s also easy for us to do) observing the current CA system (largely still functional) and not seeing what things will be like in the very near future (not functional).
I know life in CA is still great for you and your contemporaries who don’t have to work anymore (recently heard a 70 year old multi-millionaire who bought his mansion decades ago gushing idiotically about how good it was that property tax is low in CA–he’s probably paying less than a tenth of the amount a new purchaser would have to pay every year). However, it has been getting progressively worse here for would be members of the middle class for several generations (the current group of 30 year olds can’t even dream of owning a home, and so contents itself with some fun gadgets and modest food experiences). They aren’t forming families, so they won’t be able to contribute to the future of the state.
The thing is, the trend is not going to change. The (largely Republian) middle class that pays huge taxes and keeps things afloat will continue to disintegrate and get replaced. The wealthy elite can afford to virtue signal a bit more, but they won’t be willing to shoulder the massively increasing tax burdens that are baked in with the demographic change. Inequality isn’t getting better, it’s getting much worse.
At some point, when the money truly runs out (and we’re already very close), things start to collapse and we start to get more South/Central American style issues. We’re not there yet, but to pretend we’re not clearly heading in that direction, primarily due to mass immigration and demographic replacement, means you are really out of touch.
Ron Unz,
There is a large mistake here in interpreting the results of the election and the status of immigration in the debate. Everything is a question of priorities.
Exit polls show that the number one concern of those surveyed was healthcare. Immigration and the economy jockeyed between second and third, but healthcare was the biggest issue.
The takeaway is that Paul Ryan lost the House for Donald Trump. Why? Entitlement Reform. Meaning, Ryan wanted cuts in social security, medicare, repealing ObamaCare without a replacement, etc. Once again, the austerity fixation of the Republican Party undid the House Republicans. Nobody wants cuts in entitlements because there are people who depend on those entitlements. You can make the case that the country can’t afford it, but, you will lose. And, so, the Republicans lost this election.
What Ron Unz and a lot of people on this site lack is the ability to think “on the margin.” The “margin” comes from marginal utility, the level of satisfaction derived from some unit of additional consumption. Satisfaction goes down the more I have, until I hit the marginal point. Change occurs at the margin. Millions upon millions of people will consistently vote either Republican or Democrat, but it is the marginal voter that ultimately decides who wins. This marginal voter is largely indifferent to the wonkish policy issues that consume others. They are practical. They ask: “What do I gain, what do I lose, and what happens now?” To these people, the message of Paul Ryan’s entitlement reform was a danger to them. They did not want it. Beyond losing the incumbent advantage of 45 Republicans resigning, the Republicans that won primaries followed Ryan in his entitlement reform agenda. This was a death sentence for those Republicans.
Notice that Trump knows how to think on the margin. He is on record stating that he will not cut social security, medicare or any of the entitlements. He believes people worked and earned this. In fact, I doubt Trump even wanted to go after ObamaCare, but was roped into it by Ryan. With those Republicans gone, he will be able to push large chunks of his agenda.
This is, in many ways, the same process that Obama went through. Obama was elected in 2008 by the marginal voter to fix the economy after it collapsed under the machinations of the Federal Reserve. Instead, he pushed ObamaCare. By 2010, the economy was still a mess, so the marginal voter put the Republicans back in to fix the economy. Instead, they went after ObamaCare. By this time, bad economic conditions made ObamaCare more popular because people could still have health insurance even if they are unemployed. Instead of realizing this, the Republicans fielded Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan as candidates in the 2012 election…who then pushed repealing ObamaCare.
We’ve now had eight years of a Republican Congress doing things at odds with what people wanted.
Enter Trump in 2016 as the candidate to fix the economy…he then proceeded to fix the economy, although not early enough, having, once again, the Republicans pushing austerity measures over ObamaCare. This is what turned the House Democrat.
Unz is wrong to imagine that there is some kind of comity between Hispanics and Whites in California. It’s just that that issue is not as important as the healthcare issue. Immigration does not loom as the immediate problem. So, if you want immigration to be an issue, then you have to take healthcare off the table as a concern. You do that by removing the elements where ObamaCare fails, like the individual mandate, and you leave the elements where it works, like pre-existing conditions.
Trump’s single biggest problem has been other Republicans that don’t want to push policies that achieve economic growth and then use that growth to pay for entitlements. They are simply obsessed with “balancing the budget” like autistic bean counters. That will never work.
Likewise, the marginal voter did not put Democrats in Congress to run around and investigate Trump. They want to fixes to healthcare.
The American people are not going to sacrifice their standard of living, in terms of either tax cuts, entitlement benefits, or both, just to fix something they do not even control, like The Budget.
I would have to agree that violent crime is simply not the bag of the hispanic community. Many of them are Christian and have a work ethic, but I would look at the statistics for deaths by drunk driving, or other type of reckless or negligent conduct while living in a more complex society. I think you will see a different picture. The hispanic people know how to work; they know how to feed their children; they can provide shelter. Many are farmers and were not and are not dependent upon their corrupt states for these services, but as far as living in a complex society, they simply cannot do it. They do not pay taxes; they do not get driver’s licenses, they do not obtain health care insurance, whether or not there is an “individual mandate.”
They simply do not do it, and that has a deleterious effect on a country’s economy. That has not been their experience in their own countries, and that experience and way of life follows them to America. In my opinion, we will see many more wildfires in California.
Thanks for the reply, Ron.
That’s no way to do business, but that 1,000 number is probably good within 50%. I say that, because I looked up and saw 17,000 murders and non-negligible manslaughters* in ’17. Taking some rough numbers that I’ve learned from VDare, Paul Kersey, Sailer,etc., blacks commit somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/2 of all of these. Make it 8,000 and then figure, also purely from my memory of my reading, that whites may be the victim 10% or so of the time. That does get me in your range, so we agree here, possibly by accident. ;-}
I completely agree that the Hispanic number is a good deal lower than that of blacks, but others have written above, that it’s still significantly higher than whites, and that’s not counting the DUI manslaughter. However, I will read your article sometime soon, I promise.
I believe you’re missing a step on this one, called “Donald Trump”. It was especially egregious because the man had been deported to the south MULTIPLE TIMES, Ron, and he WAS BAAAACK, like the Poltergeist. That’s a major portion of the reason Donald Trump highlighted the case. Yes, the media, in this case on the right, will play up one instance of some problem, and oftentimes it is hysterical. That’s not the case with this, as Americans already knew Hispanics bring additional crime (along with all the rest – see my 1st 4 comments).
Let me compare this to the summer of 2001, just before 9/11. The big infotainment, besides the killing of a girl in Washington FS who happened to be the girlfriend of a Congressman, was sharks biting people. Yes, that was sharks biting people. See, now it was big entertainment, but people are wise enough to think “hey, listen, I’ve never known a single soul to get attacked by a shark, and we live on the beach. This happens once a month, in the whole country, so this is just entertainment.” Notice that people neither really left the beaches en masse nor cried out for a “war on sharks” (though, granted, that’d be a blast, IMO!)
They understand that the Hispanic invasion is a REAL problem in many ways, because they know personally of it. The highlighting of a couple of egregious cases, though definitely the usual Media Infotainment, gave people a chance to speak out, and they did.
Yeah, they may compile these for their own stats, but they sure can’t publish them all. There would be no space for other articles – I’m thinking specifically of VDare here. They’ll put an occasional horrible case as a story, but it’s not their bread-and-butter. It would get old.
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* I’m pretty sure that’s cases in which weapons were use (including fists) to attempt to hurt but not kill, but then the victim did get killed. They may as well be murder, and probably many were, but were plea-bargained down.
I would also suggest people read this for a dose of reality.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/real-immigration-crisis-coming-america-sooner-you-think-35017
Excerpt: Latin America is already incredibly violent. As a report this spring from the Igarape Institute detailed, seventeen of the twenty countries on Earth with the highest murder rates are Latin American, as are forty-three of the fifty most violent cities. Honduras, where this caravan originated, is one of the most violent countries on earth. Tegucigalpa has a murder rate that is twenty times the size of London’s murder rate.
Neighboring El Salvador is even worse. In 2015 it became the most violent country on earth not at war . Though homicides have fallen significantly since then El Salvador still has the highest murder rate in Central America. Nicaragua is far safer at the moment but President Daniel Ortega has unleashed paramilitaries and pro-government vigilantes on his political opponents. He will continue to rule by the gun, with predictable consequences for Nicaraguans.
The picture to both the north and south is not much better. Mexico is a stable middle-income country with a GDP over $1 trillion. It also remains mired in a brutal drug war and is on its way to the most violent year in its modern history. Cuba is isolated and ignored, but regime collapse or an epidemic could precipitate a new Cuban refugee flotilla off Florida’s shores. Like Mexico, Brazil broke its own grim murder record with 63,880 homicides in 2017. The country duly elected a far-right law and order authoritarian, Jair Bolsonaro, as president this week.
Venezuela, of course, makes Brazil look like paradise. Over two million Venezuelan refugees have left their country since 2014, as its self-imposed economic and political crisis has deepened. America is lucky that most of them are trying to get to Medellin, not Miami.
It is the long-term trajectory of Latin America that should really worry Americans. There is little reason for optimism about the future of most countries in the Western Hemisphere. While globalization and a winners-take-all economy are hollowing out America’s middle class, these dynamics are likely to have catastrophic effects on Latin America’s even more unequal societies. The ongoing Fourth Industrial Revolution will stall and reverse many of the gains poorer countries have made through comparative advantage and globalization. A great deal of manufacturing will probably return to the United States and Europe, particularly if political or environmental events cause significant disruptions to global supply chains.
L Ron Cosby said: “ron needs to see a shrink for his autism.”
Hey L. Ron Cosby!
Re; Your screen name, a queer mix of Hubbard & Bill. You are a real clipper, kid!
At any rate, as Ron Unz likely has done, I advise you to consult Dr. William Pierce (video linked below) who gave an address on Jewish foreboding about the loyalty of the new wave of “U.S.” immigrants & their possible hesitance to pay homage to Israeli demands.
Selah, “shrinks” blind to their own shrunken heads, untouched by autism.
The same applies to you too… we don’t need no chinaman over here!
Geographic variables.
You have to factor in white flight. Whites would be dying in Detroit at epidemic rates if the majority of them had not simply sold their houses and moved a generation ago.
What generally happens in the Rust Belt (Perhaps the South is different) is that there is some period where an area becomes dangerous for whites and they leave and then crimes against whites decrease because there are no longer any whites around. Haiti, for example, had a brief period of genocide against French but they simply got on boats and left. So of course these days, there are very few crimes against whites in Haiti. They were either killed or left.
These days in the US, most whites are set upon by Cholos or Hood Rats IN TRANSIT. Another words, they are on the street at a bus stop or walking somewhere and happen to cross their path. They don’t know the assailants or who they are. They are simply passing by in an area where there is overlap.
I knew a few reformed white crack heads. And these folks, who hang around ghettos by choice, get robbed or gang-raped all the time. Most whites who become crack addicts stop because of the potential for black violence against them.
D B Cooper is a chinaman, you dumb arse!
“When I first moved to Palo Alto a quarter century ago, neighboring East Palo Alto had the highest per capita murder rate in America, but after a vast wave of immigrant Hispanics transformed its demographics, the homicide rate fell by some 97%.” Yes, East Palo Alto is as Black as Congresswoman Maxine Waters. I would never live in the South due to the high % of criminal Blacks.
I love Mexican culture and women, my only objection to illegals is the cost burden to taxpayers.
Many Mexicans believe in socialist type of taxpayer paid benefits. Since I am in the top 3% of income, I have to pay for it.
He would miss it the same way you would if you’re to go Ultra-orthodox…
It was the Arab OPEC Oil Embargo on Oil that caused gasoline shortages, and in Mich the same thing. Odd Vs Even Lic Plate to buy gas every Other day only. In Mich it also caused a 10 Gal Limit per day. It was nationwide IIRC. And royally fucked up everything. Guys who used a pick up Tank full or more every day due to a lot of suburban jobs in one day, or due to had several workers in truck, and had to take workers out to different distant job sites…Got screwed badly and were unable to continue working those jobs. I cannot now recall every detail but it sure did mess up our entire nation until ended. But wasn’t that Jimmy Carters screw ups caused it? Also back then a typical ford/chevy/dodge pick up truck got just 10 MPG….Very easy to burn thru a tank full per day.
Why do they have to be illegals? What about the crimes committed by the children of illegals? In addition, a lot of murders go unsolved to the point that they don’t even know who the killer is, you can only guess based on the vicinity where it happened. An illegal who kills somebody and runs back to Mexico isn’t likely to ever be identified.
This in general is the problem with a lot of Hispanic crime. If somebody breaks into your house in Palmdale, it is a good bet it was done by a black or Hispanic but since nobody was caught, you will never know.
There seems to be more than 9 in just February alone in here:
http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/2018/02/page/2/
So, you think there are no Jews South of the border… how tragic!
Sober up? This is Ireland we’re talking about. Hasn’t been sober in five hundred years.
You must be autistic yourself to recognize it so readily; perhaps, your shrink can try to help him. What say you?
Haha two desis fighting each other. Hey Thomm is higher Caste than your dumb arse! He’s going to whip you with those stick. See the clip I posted earlier.
Blacks are Christians as well, so, Christian business is moot and as to deaths from drunk-driving, it’s the indios thing… something about drinking the white man’s fire-water!
The future of America: United States of MexChindia run by Jews under sharia law.
So in essence: lie back and think of … ??? … Mexico?
I wonder how much of the “white-on-Hispanic” violent crime is committed by Hispanics identifying as white, since that rate seems rather high?
– https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rhovo1215pr.cfm
Hispanic Identity Fades Across Generations as Immigrant Connections Fall Away
11% of American adults with Hispanic ancestry do not identify as Hispanic
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/12/20/hispanic-identity-fades-across-generations-as-immigrant-connections-fall-away/
More Hispanics Declaring Themselves White
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-declaring-themselves-white.html
Wow. You write as if you’d never met Steve Sailer and never read anything he’s ever written.
Sorry Ron I stand by my original reply. I’ve never met a physicist that understood statistics and you have shown that to be true: 1) if the original data were wrong in terms of processing it by authorities who wish to hide something you just compounded it by averaging it. 2) No one lives in an average. If you live in a specific area with a large population of such people then you are at a greater probability for damage even though the entire area may show something else statistically.
Furthermore, does homicide by drunken illegals count in your statistics? You can’t find ten? Here’s a link: http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
What do you think now? How about murder by bad drugs which are laced with blood thinners and other things that have occurred in my area? You have made a lot of money in your life and that’s fine because you have appeared to make it legally which is something too many Corporatists and Politicians have not. However, you seem to lack an understanding of how the rest of the country lives. Their jobs have been taken by people from other countries who will work for one-third of their salary and you expect them to survive. There is no equal distribution of jobs across the country. There is no average. These people have degrees in things like IT and Computer Programming. Many of the corporations who do this stuff have almost 100% imported workers which is illegal but no one cares. They have families. What are they supposed do just pack up and leave the area until it’s done again to them?
You have people who work in Silicon Valley living in their cars. In academia Jews completely control the hiring at almost every level. They are now coming for the STEM people who disagree with them about politics. Some departments are entirely Jewish and no goy need apply.
You lack a serious understanding of social-economic and biogeochemical pathways of a society. One is about behavior in the marketplace and the other is about the environmental damage we do to the planet. Both of these pathways are hemorrhaging from the overload. This overload is caused by overpopulation which no one wants to talk about. The economists’ view of population has nothing to do with reality and is based on theories against the laws of nature. We have water treatments plants that are ready to collapse throughout the US and no money to pay for upgrades. Our infrastructure has never been upgraded in over 60 years. We risk disease and death and a CDC which no longer even uses standard microbiological standards and protocols to access risk from inputs in the system by people crossing the border. The CDC has become reactive rather than proactive which means they are no active. Yet we have 378 billion to give to Israel over the next 10 years and they are the people who push this overload of immigration on us.
Basically you are saying we are no longer a Sovereign Nation and you think in Globalist Fantasies. There are no Utopias from the damaging of these pathways only Hells and they may come a lot quicker than anyone thinks. I would love to put 10,000 illegals in the Hamptons, however, we know that will never happen because just like a company that pollutes your environment the damage is externalized to us….the middle class. But that’s what you think is okay from all the damage immigration both legal and illegal does ….it’s externalized to mainly the middle class. And what you are really saying is that the Rich will rule the Country and the rest of us can go fuck ourselves because you rich bastards want a cheap maid and cheap labor.
Time for AZ to start a serious voter registration audit. A large number of people voting in AZ are illegals, same goes for TX, FL, CA, WA, NY, MA…all the blue states, but the fraud is now bleeding into red states like GA.
“Indios thing”
I knew a few Mexican college kids at Tempe, Arizona from Mexico City. They were all white and mostly descended from Spanish immigrants who’d recently arrived fleeing the Franco regime.
One was named Fernie. He was studying to be an architect.
It was explained to me by these Mexicans that once the amount of Indian blood rose above 1/8 that the person began to have design flaws.
Look up “Angel Moms” on the web, they are mothers of children who have been murdered by illegals, and they are a large group.
More if you count those who were killed by drug addiction — drugs brought in by Hispanic drug mules across our Southern border.
1. Mr. Unz likes Hispanics because they push out blacks, or at least that’s an impression I get.
2. (?) I really don’t know what other motivating factors he has, other than not disliking Hispanics and either thinking they will assimilate or not caring that much.
“GETTING AWAY WITH IT” An Exploration of IQ
A white serial killer will prepare for a month. Dahmer, for example. Bundy would X off days on his calendar and spent an entire month preparing for the crime.
The Italians also go to great lengths. Nobody is ever going to know who exactly killed Hoffa, for example.
In the case of blacks, the crime is spur of the moment. The black tells 10 people he intends to “hit a lick” and attempts to trawl for accomplices. Two or three of them turn him down and these will inevitably inform on the police when they are arrested for some minor charge in order to avoid going to jail.
If you watch FIRST 48 the most common thing the black does is sell the cell phone. So the police call the victims cell phone and find out who sold it to them.
Moreover, cameras tend to record the crime.
The Mexican is equally likely to commit an impulsive crime but they are over the border in 12 hours.
“I love Mexican culture and women, my only objection to illegals is the cost burden to taxpayers. ”
See, that’s the problem right there. White Americans may not like blacks, but they love Mexicans. They love tacos, they love mariachis, they love Latinx women, they love cheap labor and cheap Mexican drugs. In the long (or not so long) run, the U.S. will become like Latin America, a white (and Jewish) minority at the top and the brown masses everywhere else. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Thomm is an Indian snake charmer. FYI.
GOP’s #1 problem: Illegal voting by non-citizens.
Address that head on and GOP will win 2020, otherwise, they can kiss the WH goodbye.
I do not know if this is true or not. But if it is then it can be safely concluded that Latinos commit murder at 2 times higher rate than white.
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How do you explain this if not for increased of population?
San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles-Arroyo Grande, Calif. – 5-yr. violent crime rate change: +58.7%
Precisely! As the concluding paragraph of one of his previous articles underscored, Ron was very concerned about the ramifications of “the End of White America”:
He argued that America’s viability depended on which of two drastically different future paths the American people would choose:
Given the high stakes involved, not sure why Ron is now choosing to downplay the cultural/political angle in favour of, as you say, the “irrelevant and silly” crime angle. I wish he’d concentrate on the former angle a little more.
Excerpts from, California and the End of White America: In the state that is a laboratory of our ethnic future, the choices about to confront us as a nation:
Two alternate futures present themselves—which might be labeled the new American melting pot and the coming of white nationalism—and the recent politics of California lends some plausibility to each. America’s continued viability as a nation may well depend upon which of these two paths we choose…
But the ideology that evolved to justify these programs also radically changed the terms of the American social compact, replacing the emphasis on assimilation with an emphasis on ethnic difference.
Two further events occurred simultaneously with the completion of the old American racial agenda, and they drastically magnified the impact of this ideological change: the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, which reopened America to large-scale immigration after a 40-year hiatus…
Over the past 30 years and at a growing pace, more than 25 million new immigrants—80 percent of non-European origin—have entered America, and they and their descendants now constitute a rapidly growing fraction of our total population.
Well over half of these new immigrants have been Hispanic, and this ethnic group—today defined in racial terms, with all the attendant special treatment under official government policies—will by itself represent between 20 and 25 percent of America by the middle of the approaching century, at which point Americans of European origin will have become a minority of the population…
Since the 1960’s, the deepening ideological decay of the American melting pot, especially among the journalists and intellectuals who shape our thoughts, has transformed our official self-image from that of a nation of individuals living in a common culture into that of a nation of groups arrayed against one another in an ethnic spoils system. Multiculturalism and “diversity” thoroughly dominate our nation’s schools and politics and public discourse, encouraging minorities to exercise influence through the mobilization of ethnic or racial grievance. Under this framework, the rise of a similar ethnic-grievance movement among America’s emerging white minority is likely, perhaps inevitable.
Already there are early warning signs of such a movement… Although so far these developments and others like them are minuscule, and the individuals involved make every effort to avoid even a hint of extremism, evolving white-bloc politics could eventually develop a white-nationalist orientation or fringe…
But surface appearances are deceiving. Underlying social dynamics, whether in California or in the nation at large, have not changed, and ethnic conflict, temporarily submerged, has far from disappeared. To the contrary, given the nature of the demographic processes now at work in the country, the potential for such conflict is growing rather than diminishing, and any sudden crack in our unprecedented economic prosperity might well be the occasion for its revival…
It is therefore a tragedy of the first order that, even as the reality of the American melting pot remains as powerful as ever, the ideology behind it has almost disappeared, having been replaced by the “diversity” model and by the politics of grievance. A social ideology that allots to blacks and Latinos and Asians their own separatist institutions and suggested shares of society’s benefits cannot long be prevented from extending itself to whites as well, especially as whites become merely one minority among many minorities. Before it is altogether too late, those who support this status quo must realize that the diversity prescription contains the seeds of national dissolution.
America today stands as one of the very few examples in history of a large and successful multiethnic society. If we are to continue and extend our success—which is hardly foreordained—we can only do so by returning to the core principles of Propositions 209 and 227: ethnic assimilation, and individual equality under the law. Otherwise, we face the very real threat of future movements along the lines of Proposition 187, each worse than the last, and on a national scale. There are few forces that could so easily break America as the coming of white nationalism.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/
Per The Economist:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/03/31/the-worlds-most-dangerous-cities
El Salvador, Mexico, Honduras, Brazil, Guatemala, South Africa, USA(New Orleans, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis-all black heavy cities), Columbia, Puerto Rico, Jamaica.
Check your own blinders.
One needs to read legal language carefully. Differences in language choice imply differences in intent and meaning. Granted, with the gay marriage, abortion, sodomy, birth control and countless other dictatorial decrees the US Supreme Court has issued, the Constitution’s text is largely irrelevant, but, let’s take a quick look at the Fourteenth Amendment.
It’s purpose was to grant citizenship to freed slaves. Look at the precise language of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States”. Note the use of the present tense. This is critical. Virtually every other Amendment, and every other Section of the Fourteenth Amendment, uses the future tense, “shall be“. Indeed, the current citizenship statute (which Trump cannot overrule, so his Executive Order “solution” is nonsense nonetheless) at 8 USC 1201 provides that “The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth”.
This difference in tense is not a “minor” distinction. It is there because Congress wanted to irrevocably grant all freed slaves citizenship, particularly in light of the infamous Dred Scott decision which had made freed slaves and their progeny ineligible for citizenship, but not tie hands of future Congress’ regarding future birth-right citizenship of other folks. Indeed Congress has traditionally legislated citizenship policy by statute.
Of course the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), “missed” this “nuance”, for whatever reason. But that court did rely on principles of common law, which are always subject to the laws of the sovereign (Congress), plus Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment grants Congress powers to enforce it. Thus an act of Congress could override birthright citizenship (though whether or not the Supreme Dictators would recognize that is another issue).
His IQ is not high enough for him to miss anything.
it’s about a lot more than just crime.
It’s about that dreamed of critical mass when White people become a powerless minority in the lands they formerly controlled. See Kosovo, when the Serbs let the Muslims in. Or Rhodesia or S. Africa or Haiti when those lands gave up White rule. The same thing is intended for N. America (and Europe and everywhere else dormant Nazis languish)
As for crime records, it seems when Hispanics are arrested, they more often than not are designated as ‘white’, obviously in order to skew the racial statistics on crime and race for the greater Agenda.
Since Nikolas Cruz is back in the news, having registered to vote in jail, (Florida just voted to allow convicted felons to vote once they finish their sentences),
If we take a look at the current arrest records in that county, (Broward) what will we find vis-a-vis racial designations for arrest records.
(Cruz was allowed a free reign by all the local authorities because he was considered a sacrosanct, eternal-victim Hispanic minority, but once he was arrested, became ‘white’, of course – and was even called [dishonestly] a ‘white supremacist’ by the ADL and ((msm)).
These are the local arrests for that county, (Broward) and there is a designation for Hispanic,
Here’s one designated as ‘Hispanic’
Moises Galindo Ortiz
Now here’s a short list of some designated as ‘white’
Juan Urbina Martinez
RACE
White
Jhonatan Cortes Sambony
RACE
White
Nicolas Domingo
RACE
White
William Morales
RACE
White
Xiomara Mestas
RACE
White
these ‘mistakes’ are never made in the reverse, and (obvious) Hispanics are more often than not designated as ‘White’.
I wonder why that is?
Victor Sanchez-Salas
RACE
White
Luis Ramirez
RACE
White
http://mugshots.sun-sentinel.com/broward
The agenda is obviously to skew the statistics to create a false narrative in order to make Americans more sanguine about their eventual demographic disenfranchisement/replacement.
And this is a near universal paradigm unofficially enforced across the entire spectrum of a dying ((murdered)) Western civilization. Whether it’s Hispanic in N. America, or Muslims and Africans and Asians in Europe.
The imperative is that the White people of the West must perish under a human tsunami of non-whites – that will permanently and irrevocably deliver Western civilization and its people to their ultimate doom and vanish them from the pages of history.
Their accomplishments and travails, sagas and follies, to be erased from the pages of history for all time, and replaced with a devil’s narrative that denigrates and demonizes them, to the glory and vanity of those who intend to replace them.
Not sure Ron is one of them, but yeah, that’s about how it is, and always has been. If the “middle class” wanted something different they need to get up off their asses and take it – cuz nobody is giving it to them on a silver platter. Life is a struggle and wimps lose. You write about nature. That’s about as natural as it gets. And think about the struggle of someone walking from Honduras, kids in tow, all the way to the US border, on the slim hope they might get in to take one of those terrible jobs an American wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole. Talk about hard work and risk-taking. US middle class is too fat and comfy for any of it.
There was a time when the Leftists said they represented “the worker”. Well obviously they are far form that now – they have done nothing but undermined the worker for the last 30 years. Thing is, they will do the same thing to the gays, the Latinos and anyone else at the end of the day. Because they have no loyalty except one: to seize control of the planet for the Illuminati. That is the one and only goal and however they need to get there, they will get there. But if you read the Protocols, how they are getting there has long been planned. And while the evidence is overwhelming and obvious, this “middle class” of dipshits you write about is busy attacking anyone who has read the Protocols as an anti-Semite and deplorable.
Under Drawin’s law, the White middle class simply deserves to die. Stupidity has consequences.
” You have a real good handle on the modern convenience-store industry, especially the work done that Americans will not doo-doo. ”
Sadly, I’m not sure that is necessarily a compliment, but thanks for your support. Based on my profession, I see all too many of them.
So in response to minorities insistence of a racial spoils system Ron thinks the answer is for whites to never respond in kind?
Ron, I doubt I could ever win you over to my side by a pure racial argument, but population swells should be enough to make you anti-immigrant. When I was in SoCal, even with the 6 lane freeways, the traffic was out of the world. As you pointed out housing costs are astronomical, and most importantly the environment has taken a huge it with all the people.
The white population in New Zealand is about the same proportion and numbers as the Jewish population in Israel. That leaves open the question what exactly are the white population in New Zealand. There are so called Maoris taking advantage of racial privilege who are completely white. Starting from about the 1980s, the white population basically rolled over. Not because they are weak or guilt infused but because generally they are so stupid. New Zealand is a good test model for what happens when a white population does not take at least a reasonable stand for its history and identity. The back lash via social media has come. But I am afraid I think it is too late. New Zealand will go the way of Fiji. And the fault is not the Maoris, not the Joos. The fault is the asinine stupidity of the white population.
My feeling is that like Miami the Jews and Anglos would be driven out and the “Hacienda” system of Basque/Andalusian/Canary Islander castizos or Criollo would take over.
Here the full report:
Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-15
https://web.archive.org/web/20181113015302/https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf
And another interesting statistic:
– http://vpc.org/press/nearly-54000-hispanics-killed-with-guns-in-u-s-since-1999-two-thirds-of-deaths-are-homicides-study-finds/
Possibly this is due to cartel-related killings/hits that affect Hispanics more than whites and blacks?
Drug cartel hitman confesses to up to 40 murders in US
A self-confessed drug cartel hitman has told police he killed up to 40 people, mostly in California, in a murder spree that lasted three decades.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/10758166/Drug-cartel-hitman-confesses-to-up-to-40-murders-in-US.html
I Killed 36 People
Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio
Whoever did it is everyone’s guess. Joe wondered aloud about it being a hit by the Mexican cartels, a theory that’s been suggested by everyone from AG DeWine to the local media, even amateur online detectives. The area, all the way up to Dayton, is a well-trodden drug corridor. State authorities recently announced the Sinaloa Cartel had a fentanyl scheme in the city of Middletown, and the Cincinnati Enquirer recently won a Pulitzer for chronicling the community’s heroin epidemic. – https://theoutline.com/post/4973/pike-county-murders-ohio-rhoden-family-unsolved-2018
How Mexican drug cartels do business in Ohio
I don’t think the issue is Hispanic voters. Their turnout was not unusually large nor did it skew more towards the Dems this year.
The only force able to shift votes dramatically are white voters. Whites in suburbs shifting towards Dems this cycle. Dems ran to parity with voters over 45 they usually are down a couple of points.
Republicans and Trump are at a disadvantage that their policies don’t lend themselves to the empty, hollow virtue signalling rhetoric that appeals to suburban white woman. In fact Trump’s bellicosity “triggers” them. Trump at least acknowledges he should tone it down. Whether he follows through though is unlikely.
Sounds like Americas military adventures in mid east regions, long ago needed to be switched to South and Central American nations. If they just must do carpet bombings around the clock in a forever war, it may be best if military focus on much closer to usa problems. Problems like your post describe.
If we actually do soon see such massive non stop hoards of invaders from Central & South American nations, as well as constant invaders from Mexico…There wont be many other options than a hot war with those nations. Or at least Tons of usa military protecting our usa border via any and all means necessary. Up to and Including shooting invaders or bombing them a bit.
We cannot simply look the other way and pretend it is not happening. That will cease as an option by the time we get our 3rd multi millions invader invasion. Maybe even sooner yet! Such a huge invasion would probably be the main event, equal to a dem libs gun bans and total confiscation of guns attempt. Which so far seems to be about the only major thing that would cause enough Whites to finally take matters into their own hands…To do as instructed in Declaration of Independence.
IE: That section in DOI that explains how its our citizen Rights and Duty to, oust, over throw, replace with those of Our choice as new top officials etc….And there is only One real method or way to do that, and its not usually a peaceful event, especially for those traitorous officials being ousted.
Of course up to that critical moment it begins in earnest, those officials still have the option to as they say…When they Feel the Very Hot Heat, they ironically See that Proverbial Light. And then to actually make good use of our well paid military personal and order them straight to our southern border to halt every single invader regardless of what the invaders sob story consists of.
IMHO I do not believe that even if under threat a real public armed revolt potential happens, that many if any current crop of officials will really do the right thing and act upon invaders by usa military actions…However I do think they will order military against usa citizens when they head to the border to do the job. Traitors typically can be counted upon to do that without any qualms.
If such events mandate an armed citizen action to defend the border, then it will likely look a lot like an 1880’s Cowboy Regulators actions, therefore I nominate the event name of…The 2019, Yipee Iya Kiyo Border Defensive.
While I generally think R Unz has good insights on this, I think you are right, that the statistics in this case do lie. All I need to do is compare crime rates in White Europe (even in very poor European countries) versus in Latin and South America – the disparity is staggering. You can do the same comparison between African crime rates and those of blacks in the US – except those come out closer because it’s more difficult to designate a black as “White” whereas is happens constantly with Hispanics, which drives up “White crime rates” and lowers “Hispanic crime rates”.
As with any data crunching: garbage in, garbage out.
It’s interesting, though, if you consider that Germany (138,000 m2, 82 million folks) is significantly smaller than, and has over twice the population of, California (156,000 m2, 40 million folks).
The problem in California is there is a lot of desert and restrictions against building. They keep bringing in people by the millions but don’t build nearly enough new homes. On top of that they keep imposing new environmental regulations (such as every new house having to offer solar, etc.) that make construction costs impossible to afford. They want us all to live 8 to an apartment, as long as the rich get their sprawling mansions in their gated communities.
But the dip-shit middle class keeps voting for it. One day they will suffer greatly for it and I will laugh, laugh, laugh. It will be the only moment of joy in the entire ride, when the dip-shit middle class finally has their Eureka “and it’s gone” moment.
Good points…I recall not too long ago reading of how across the entire nation of American law enforcement, on average per year, barely 20% of Murderers ever get caught!…So figure that every year, you can Add another 80% of actual Murderers to an already huge number roaming the country side freely. And Never likely being caught. So, anybody here know actual avg yearly number of murders that occur? Was it something close to, 15,000 murders per year was stated in article or a reply post?….If yes..Then we can add, an apox. 12,000 Murderers that have not been caught, per year to what must already be a much larger number of outstanding never caught Murderers running around free as a bird…That’s a very scary thought. And once they do a murder, they have zero left to lose and are far more apt to murder again.
Most Mexicans and Central Americans in the US are not criminals. If anything, it could be that there are problems with excessive organized crime & violence in Mexico because too many people are overly nice and passive. Too many passive Guillermos and not enough Wild Bills to take a stand against the bad guys. So, bad guys run free and kill freely… like in THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN where the bandits push around the overly nice villagers, that is until white gringos arrive to protect them.
Still, even if most Mexicans in the US are not criminal and tend to be reasonably law-abiding(perhaps even more than ‘white trash’ elements), their increasing presence tend toward social mediocrity and cultural lethargy. (Indeed, this seems to be Steve Sailer’s main gripe about Too Many Mexicans. They don’t turn LA into Detroit but nevertheless turn it into Guillermopolis.) Much of Mexican-areas in the Southwest may be stable, but it’s also so humdrum and ‘lame’. Is it good to have such a large mass of passive people without agency(except for leaving Mexico to live in the US)? Having lots of Mexican neighbors may be okay — and not dangerous like having black neighbors — , but it also means social and economic stasis. Mexicans follow but don’t lead. Also, even if these Mexicans don’t commit crime, the fact that many of them do depend on government assistance of some kind will have a long-term depressive effect on society. White Flight from black is due to violence and mayhem. Whites generally don’t run from browns on those grounds. But when Too Many Browns make for a depressed economy with low wages, many whites will leave just the same. The reason why white share of California population went down was not only because of mass immigration but mass flight to other states. So, obviously, the dramatic increase in Diversity meant something went wrong for many whites. It made them want to move out.
Could the GOP have earned the loyalty of Mexicans if it weren’t anti-immigration in California under Pete Wilson? I doubt this. Even if GOP weren’t ‘anti-Mexican’ — these days, the mere opposition to more immigration is ‘xenophobic’ and ‘racist’ — , the fact is Democrats will always offer more in terms of government benefits and holy victim pokemon points. At most, GOP can offer Mexicans an equal playing field and chance to be good fellow Americans. In contrast, Democrats offer them more government aid, favorable affirmative action, and elevated status as a ‘victim group’. (Even though CA got rid of Affirmative Action, it lives on through many ‘holistic’ methods.) Of course, the majority of Mexicans will take the latter. It’s the same thing with Jews. GOP is even more pro-Israel than the Democratic Party. The likes of Bush and McCain were more brazenly servile to Zionism than Clinton was. But the fact is Democratic Party is sufficiently pro-Zionist, and besides, Jewish elites prefer the immigration-diversity policy of the Democrats because it ensures Jewish domination in yrs to come: Turning whites into just another gentile minority is good for Jewish domination, or so the Jews think. Whites won’t be able to politically or electorally gang up on Jewish power.
Now, let’s suppose GOP could have won over tons of Mexicans by being Mex-friendly. Suppose Pete Wilson kissed brown babies all day long and suppose Texan GOP went full Jeb-Bush and hailed Mexicans and welcomed more brown immigrants. As a result, suppose the majority of Mexicans in Ca and Tx voted GOP, and in time, browns outnumbered whites.
But in the end, for many white American patriots, it’s not about the Party but the Nation. What good is the GOP even if it wins elections IF it allows the browning of America? White patriots will take a white Democratic-ruled America over a brown Republican-ruled America. GOP is secondary to white patriotic interests. They support it because they see it as the less of two evils in the demographic transformation of America. If GOP was for mass-immigration and if Democrats were for preserving the racial composition of White America, most white patriots will go with Democrats. In the end, political parties are means to an end, not the end. It’s like blacks went from voting Republican to voting Democratic because the latter offered them more stuff in programs and holy victim points.
Now, what is wrong with Ca and Tx turning majority brown IF most browns are nice-okay people? If the only priorities that mattered are social stability and economics, the browning of America might be tolerable. After all, large numbers of Mexicans may lead to some economic stagnation but nothing like the degradation in black areas of Baltimore or the jungles of Detroit. But white patriots have a historical and cultural view of what America is. It’s not just about crime rates or economics. After all, Asians commit less crime than whites. So, if a white community were to become 60% Asian, it might have even lower crime. If the only thing that matters is crime rates, that would be ideal. But white patriots have a sense of connection to the land and its history. Now, amnesiac whites probably don’t care. White Liberals and whites of Conservative Inc. don’t have much in the way of memory and bond. But white patriots do have a sense of historical America, and they want to preserve it. And in a way, it is history that gives meaning to a people. History makes a person see a particular land in a special way. Surely, an American Indian looks upon the hills of South Dakota differently than a recent Chinese or Hindu immigrant does. The immigrant will look at the scenery and say, ‘very nice’. But he has no sense of historical connection or claim to the land. But to the American Indian, there is more to the land than the land itself. It’s a sense that this was the land of his ancestors who hunted, fought, died, and were buried. And surely a black in the South, if he has a sense of roots, has a different feeling about the land than a recent immigrant from Guatemala does. To the Guatemalan, some town in Georgia is just an economic zone to find a job. But to the Negro, it is the land where his folks were once slaves and picked cotton and sang coded songs that might have meant, “I’m gonna get even with whitey one day and whup his ass and hump his daughter.” So, a Negro in the South feels a special attachment to the land. Or, take Jews and Israel/Palestine. Why did they feel this powerful need to choose THAT part of the world to create or recreate their homeland? Why not some piece of Africa or Siberia or North America? It was due to a deep historical sense that it was on that land that the founding stock of Jews received blessing from the Lord. Then, why wouldn’t white patriots feel the same way about American history and territory? America wouldn’t exist if not for white adventure, white conquest, white conception, and white creativity. Now, amnesiac whites don’t care about the past. They just think of the here-and-now. And white PC-types see the past as one of ‘guilt’ and ‘shame’, so whites must welcome racial demise for atonement. But white patriots feel that white folks created something unique and great in the New World, and they should remain the dominant people on the land. This side of white patriotism cannot be appreciated with mere numbers on crime and wages.
Also, the danger of immigrants leading to Democratic domination has something to do with Jewish Power that has grown demented over the yrs. While non-whites supply the votes for the Democratic Party, they don’t command the heights. They supply the coal for the ship’s engine, but they don’t get to steer the ship. Jews control the Democratic Party, and so, when Democrats win, Jews get to decide and steer the future of America. Indeed, I would be less worried IF the Democratic Party were controlled by Mexicans like Guillermo. He seems like a nice guy and have no agenda beyond saying, “hello Jimmy” and getting chubby on tacos. I wouldn’t mind if Guillermo were governor, senator, or president. Or the head of Harvard or Yale. But the fact is Mexicans supply the votes but don’t control the commanding heights. They supply the feet but not the brains of the Democratic Party. And even Mexican and non-white politicians who do get elected just become puppets of Jewish globalists. Look at the Ocasio character from NY. As a street activist, she used to be pro-Palestinian. But headed to DC, she is suddenly with the Zionists. Look at Elizabeth Warren, the pseudo-Indian. She is just a squaw whore when it comes to Jewish Power. And Negro Obama was supposed to be a socialist who cared about Main Street. As president, he did little but bail out Wall Street, push Homo-Worship, and wage more Wars for Israel.
Now, if Jewish Power was only moderately liberal, it’d be no big deal. But it’s gone crazy. It’s pushing Homo-Worship as replacement for Christianity. It is promoting all kinds of degeneracy. In the foreign policy field, it’s more Cold War with Russia and more neo-liberal or neocon wars or subversion. I don’t think most Mexicans are that crazy. But when they vote Democratic, they are not really voting for Mexican power. They are voting for Jewish power that is hellbent on pushing ‘hate speech’ laws, taking away guns, spreading anti-white hatred, and waging more Wars for Israel. As for Asians, they do better than Mexicans in climbing the ladder, but what do successful Asians in the Democratic Party do? They are like Sarah Jeong who serves as whore to Zion. And that Yuree Koh bitch at the Wall Street Journal who helped to shut down Alt Right Youtube channels like the Killstream. We have all this talk of the New People, but we don’t see anything like the New Elite. Indeed, would Jews support mass-immigration IF they regarded yellows and browns are real threats to their hold on Elite Power? No, they just see browns as easy votes and yellows as easy toadies. There is no Elite Equality in the US. Now, suppose anti-Israeli Arab immigrants have higher IQ than Jews and, as immigrants, are poised to reach the top and take over elite power from Jews. Would Jews push for mass-immigration? I think not.
Anyway, even if most Mexicans don’t commit lots of crime in California, they(and Asians) did totally change historic California. If one is amnesiac or purely materialistic, I suppose it doesn’t really matter. (Indeed, it seems the problem with white Californians is they went from GRAPES OF WRATH mode to ‘Good Vibrations’ mode. Too much affluence and leisure robbed them of their worker-warrior spirit.) But if one has a sense of history, it is a great loss.
The same applies to the Palestinians. Under Jewish-Zionist rule, many Arabs have done pretty well in Israel. They are materially better off living with Jews than they would be otherwise under Arab rule. After all, Israel is a first world nation, and even Arabs have lots of opportunities there that Arabs in Arab-ruled nations don’t have. So, if materialism and individual well-being are all that counts, many Palestinians(those allowed to stay in Israel) certainly benefited from the rise of the Jewish State. But if they have a sense of history, they feel the tragedy of how Palestine was wiped off the map and many of their brethren were expelled from the land. Palestinian individualist-materialists are happy to live in modern and prosperous Israel. But Palestinian patriots with a sense of history feel the pain over the fact that their homeland was taken by another people and that many of their brethren live under occupation in West Bank.
You are just desperate for attention from your betters.
No one with an IQ above 70 (i.e. above yours) thinks I am of that group you obsess over, and nothing in my comment history suggests that I am (get even ONE of the regulars from that group to confirm your idiotic assumption, and then we’ll see).
What is funny is that an entire slum of Indians lives in your head, which means they are literally shitting inside your head. Ironically, even this increases your intelligence, since it is starting from a rock bottom level.
Get off my lawn!
Both good points, Newman.
“Middle class”
Its going, going, gone. My brother was among the Midwest transplants who headed for the Golden Shore in the 1990’s and he moved back East.
Middle-class white transplants really did not sign up for how primitive and barbaric the Red Indians are. I found this out in Phoenix.
Whites have all but fled Los Angeles, middle-class that is.
The working-class whites will stay a bit longer because they cannot go anywhere. But Los Angeles has already lost its white middle-class.
You’d be hard pressed to find any Republican less of a Jew supremacist house goyim than the Republicans – from Trump to Cruz to Bush to Coulter. They’re all a bunch of treasonous snakes.
But you’re right on one point, it’d be far better to have 50 million Mexicans in the US than 5 million Jews.
Indeed, the Asians aren’t suing Harvard for their extreme pro-Jewish racism, they want to take some more of the tiny number of White seats.
Certainly not compared to say Kuwait, UAE, or Suadi Arabia, or what they had in Libya. More than Egypt, sure. But end of the day Israel is a brutally racist, Jew supremacist Apartheid regime, and even Israeli Arabs are subject to constant humiliations and extensive Jim Crow laws.
It was MikemikedotMike and Utu who said DB Cooper was Indian. Read my comment again (assuming your IQ is high enough).
DB Cooper is Chinese. He is also a homosexual (as indicated by his obsession with feces). I have blocked his comments after seeing that, as any psychologically healthy person would.
Ron Unz said :
East Palo Alto had the highest per capita murder rate in America, but after a vast wave of immigrant Hispanics transformed its demographics, the homicide rate fell by some 97%.
The Hispanic crime rate is not 1/33rd that of blacks. Even the white crime rate is not that low.
Therefore, clearly the demographic change in favor of Hispanics is not the primary reason for this drop in crime. I think it is more due to a systematic decision to push out blacks and build new office buildings on what is one of the most commuter-friendly districts of land in the entire Bay Area.
The data about San Jose, Los Angeles, etc. is more compelling, but a statistical update to your 2010 article is due, as your primary prediction (that gender normalization, age normalization, and 2nd-gen Hispanics becoming adults will improve things) can now be checked for accuracy.
They keep bringing in people by the millions but don’t build nearly enough new homes.
When even a crappy thrown together house in Palmdale costs 300,000, the problem isn’t due to not building enough of them.
About a decade ago the FBI just finished a 5 year long massive Voter Fraud investigation in Detroit Mich. FBI spent over $50 million tax payer shekels $$ and a full Five years and found that most every Dead Detroit Voter going back close to when Blacks were first registered to vote, how ever far back that is? FBI found listed in Detroit Voter base files, close to, 500,000- A Half of a Million Dead Voter names still listed as registered voters…FBI also found that, Mail in Ballots of, iirc, same number of 500,000 were sent by us mail to Detroit voters who asked for it and those who did Not ask for mail ballots…And every mail ballot already had a checked vote box for the Dem candidate. When Voters who received an already checked ballot phoned Detroit voter hq to ask what should they do with it, they were told to just mail it Back to get a fresh ballot in mail!…Once sent back and post marked they became a valid dem vote and counted. When FBI announced this fact, and many fed officials and reg people cried foul, and demanded swift action to remove dead voter names, and prosecute those guilty of maintaining that voter base….Al Sharpton went Radical Ape Shit Berzerk. Then many Blacks joined in to attack FBI as, evil whitey Raaasssissts An’ Sheeeeeit!
And Nothing at all was done to remove those dead names, most, African Blacks no doubt, and far as I know those names still remain on list same as live voters do. Detroit’s All Black Mayor & City Council board members, claimed it was necessary to retain the dead voter names incase they ever some day needed to look back to see how many voters then existed compared to modern day era list totals of names. What a huge Crock and massive waste of $$$ & Time for FBI and Taxpayers.
Yet some idiots still ask me, why I so despise most Back folks. Just let any White Council boards try that eh. Then when caught by feds fbi, refuse to fix or change it.
Irish Dinner…One six pack beer with one boiled potato.
Small Correction: Run by Jews under Talmudic Noahide Laws for Goyim only.
“Better to have 50 million Mexicans”
Events in Brazil or Mexico make this questionable.
“It was MikemikedotMike ”
No, it wasn’t. Just you, Sheboygan Shiva!
I would like to see some evidence too, but many long searches later I haven’t been able to find a current ( that is to say, post 2004) listing of accidents stats in Texas broken down by Race.
I can say that Texas does lead the nation in traffic deaths, even more than California in total, and massively more per capita, and alcohol is an overwhelming contributor. Also, Texans are apparently not fond of seat belts.
I can go through newspaper accident reports or County or State court convictions, and do a rough estimate by last name. Unsatisfying to say the least. Then I would have to rely on Census data to do a percentile comparison. On that very rough basis it looks like Hispanics are 35% of the local population, and maybe 70% of the fatal crashes . I can say that the Ector\Midland\Reagan County area is a traffic slaughterhouse, and Hispanics are heavily represented.
But in general, the more I dig for information, the further it gets way from me. Interesting though, that various government agencies are happy to list Hispanics by victim, by perp, not so much.
In the meantime, the countries from the Rio Grande to the Amazon are the most violent on earth, that being a statistic that can’t be argued, so I am sure if they all move here our crime rate will go way down.
try harder, maybe you’ll at least convince yourself
But Why is it just White nationalism Ron is so worried about? Maybe I missed it, but so far I do Not recall in his articles the same worry concern when minorities of Blacks, Mexicans, and Jews do the very same type things…..Does this you posted mean that as long as only the others do such, and as long as Whites do Not do so..All can remain swell and calm? If yes, I am Not buying it. Why should Whites Only, never try to Get More Gibsmedats like those Blacks, Jews and Mexicans keep doing and getting? What about all that talk we keep hearing on, My Fair Share? and how about Whites Fair Share?….Good for goose= good for gander too eh.
Man, between this new article, and the parts You posted here of an older one by Ron, it sounds as if Ron is very confused. This you posted= As long as whitey remains as is all is ok, while new article here its, as long as Repubs cave in and act like pro immigrant dems all can be super swell. WTF does it mean if not that?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-hispanics_b_5309973.html
Herein lies the problem that fundamentally and completely seems to undermine Unz’s assertions here. Hispanics are treated as Whites on far too many reports. The only way to compare White, Hispanic and Black crime statistics is to use statistics that accurately distinguish among all three groups. Every Hispanic criminal identified in a report as “White” increases the White crime rate and decreases the Hispanic crime rate – that’s just simple math.
Mr. Unz, can you certify that your sources did such a proper differentiation? That all of the statistics you use accurately distinguish between Hispanic and White assailants?
Because if you cannot, all of your results are nothing but absolute junk. (Sorry, that’s a factual statement of “garbage in, garbage out”.)
sounds about right
sad 🙁
lol, yes
also, suspect he’s so ugly that no white women are interested
Jews and blacks will bring America to its swift death.
Sure, that sounds fine, and thanks for making the effort. Like I said, it wouldn’t surprise me if Hispanics were more likely to drive drunk, but it would be nice to see some actual data.
But one very important thing is to make sure you adjust for age. A huge fraction of all serious crime is committed by young males in the prime-crime years, maybe 15-34 but especially 18-29. Nationally, the median age for whites is well over 40, meaning that few of them are in those years, while Hispanics are at 27, so a much larger fraction of them are. So Hispanics certainly do indeed have much higher crime rates than whites, but after you adjust for age, most of that difference disappears. I’d assume that drunk-driving is also age-dependent, though probably less so.
The advantage of looking at homicides is that the numbers are so much smaller, you can just browse around a little and put together a list. Remember, I’m just asking for TEN whites who were murdered by illegals in a given year. Someone up-thread mentioned a couple of anti-criminal-illegal websites, but when I took a quite glance, they mostly seemed to have drunk-driving stories, and I wasn’t going to scroll through a huge list to try to locate any actual homicides (I’m excluding vehicular homicides).
Here’s another reason I doubt the annual total is very large. Back in 2016, Trump was making “killer illegals” the centerpiece of his campaign and doing all sorts of media events with the relatives of the victims. But from what I recall, his campaign staff was only able to locate only one in the entire country, some white 7-11 clerk in Arizona who’d been killed by an illegal in some robbery or something. It seems to me if you’re spending $600 million on your presidential campaign plus getting a couple of billion of free media, and despite all your efforts, you can’t round up more than one white killed by an illegal, the national total can’t be too huge.
Isn’t that the same FLA county Sheriffs Dept. that the recent last year school shooter happened in? And it also has a Jewish Sheriff head honcho. Who fully agreed with and complied with Hobammy and Eric Holders exec order policy to never charge Colored, Mexicans and Negroes, Yooots with any actual crimes. In order to stifle what is called the High school to Prison pathways.
Which was reason that even after cops got called and sent to school shooter guys home 65 times in less than two years…No matter what he did prior to shooting up school, it never got reported as a real crime….
I wonder if we are witness to some form of colusion of scams via a combo of, Dems, in Fla and DC,+ Coloreds+Jews. With the main agenda goals of Screw all Euro Whites and do not stop, but rather keep screwing more and more.
I cannot here on a public forum type what my inner most feelings and ideas might be. So I shall quit now. I will type….Tic-Toc…Tic-Toc, to every Traitorous scum involved in it all.
Live in Phoenix for a month. Down-at-heel on entry-level pay.
You don’t need statistics.
Generally, the US is big enough for barrios and ghettos to be avoided.
And whites tend to move out swiftly.
Look, I really hate to repeat myself. Of *course* Hispanics are sometimes classified as white in police reports and sometimes not. That’s *exactly* why such data is *totally* useless in estimating Hispanic crime rates, and I certainly never used it for anything.
If the commenters here are just too lazy to bother reading my detailed analysis which is linked and highlighted in my current article, I guess the methods I used will just have to remain mysterious.
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/
What I will say is that quite a number of America’s leading anti-immigration analysts went through it very carefully at the time and were very impressed with my analysis while being absolutely stunned by my results. And since they were top public figures rather than anonymous random people just spouting off on a website, I was certainly willing to spend all the necessary time going through the details with them.
Blacks have been in the US for 400 years. Much longer than most whites (In the North anyhow).
Jews have been in the US for 150 years.
Why now, in the 21st century?
When I left the US in the 1990’s things were not as bad with Jews and blacks.
What happened in the last 20 years is what I am curious about?
The Hispanics who commit the most crime are Red Indians. They are not even Mestizos. Just Red Indian primitives from the Central American jungles.
Well, aren’t you being a little too hard on them? After all, the white Gentiles are just as totally chicken. And not only do the Gentiles outnumber the Asians a dozen to one, but they’re also the ones who actually established the universities in question.
Crime does not matter – free bennies does not matter – the takeover of towns does not matter – what matters – is block voting for the left by Latinos. There is a difference between Americans and Latins – they dance to a different tune. By tradition Americans value freedom – no so with the Latins.
The Jew will use Latins just like they use blacks to gain power over America.
All our constitutional freedoms are in jeopardy.
The more Latins that come to America – faster it will happen – period.
Think Peace — Art
p.s. What our forefathers labored to create – a nation of free people governing themselves – will parish.
I was born in Northern California and lived there for almost 60 years. Ron is an example of the bright financially successful people one comes across all the time in California. The downsides of the foreign deluge do not negatively impact him to any great extent – yet. He gets a wider range of food choices and cheap labor.
The trade-offs for the working and middle class are far more negative. The working class has been hit the hardest. Cheap foreign labor has driven down wages while driving up the cost of living. That dynamic is starting to hit the middle class now. Areas, such as coastal property and quaint mountain towns, that used to be home to all levels of economic classes are increasingly becoming the home of only affluent people from all over the world and poor people with subsidized housing. Plus, the young often can’t afford to live in the same towns as their parents thus breaking down communities even more.
Besides the friction between all these groups – that exists especially at the poor and working class levels – California has still not found Sailer’s famous magic dirt. The New Californians are far more in love with socialism and big government than the earlier Californians – who are leaving the state.
This has already generated the highest poverty rate (when adjusted for cost of living) in the nation, an ever growing and more meddlesome government, and a bad business environment (thanks to costs of land, regulation and taxes). This has much to do with the flight of businesses, middle class and working class.
Look forward and you can see California becoming a Democratic Socialist paradise that appeals to a rainbow coalition of the affluent and poor but not a paradise to the people in the middle (but they don’t matter anyway).
My brother and I both moved west from Michigan. I went to Phoenix and because Hispanics were so few in Detroit-you barely met any back in the 90’s-it was not until I got to the Southwest that I came across them.
Hispanics, which is to say Red Indian wagon burners, tend to view white society as a bunch of wagons on the prairie.
They tend to be nearer to middle or lower middle class areas and will target whites closer to their barrios than well-to-do whites who live in more upscale places. In Phoenix they would get you in parking lots, bus stops or even hallways of apartment complexes on the periphery of the barrio.
My brother moved to Los Angeles. He has since left.
California was once a middle-class paradise. Now the only whites around are either homeless, gays or wealthy. There can be no white middle class.
If you adjust for age, it is opposite of what you say Ron…Take biggest criminals in usa are Young Black Males…aged 15 to 27 yrs old on avg….Ok..Now consider total black pop is around 12% right…Out of That total 12 % blacks in usa…How much smaller of a percentage is it when ONLY 15 to 27 year old black Males get counted? A Lot less than 12%…So, while black male violent crime perps highly out number white perps and all other perps too…Being such a smaller percentage yet of only younger black males as violent perps….Then it makes for even greater disparate numbers vs white perps. Due to far less black pop vs total white pop numbers. Which means on avg in usa, a white is 50 times more likely to get murdered by a black younger male, than a black is to be murdered by a white.
Also LOOK at those actual Broward Co. Fla Sheriffs dept Criminal perp Photos taken when cops there Booked criminal HISPANIC…..Yet, All but ONE are Listed as a White Race man!…Even when its so obvious based on names and facial features/looks they are a Hispanic…Most look more like a real Ape than a white man ever would…They look much closer to a negro man and are all a Hispanic…..I think it was poster Geokat62 who posted those photos up in This forum we are in now…Male Hispanic Crime perps listed under Race as White! All but for one perp!
But if you find a Hispanic VICTIM of crime List with photos?…Most often, then, they list the Hispanic victim as a Hispanic…That totally skews stats big time to make white criminals look like far more than really are…And fewer White victims…This is BY planned design by scamming dem libs to make colored look better and whitey look bad.
Obama & his AG Eric Holder did an prez exec order or prez directive, and sent it out to every usa jurisdiction. It told School teachers and admins, and Police dept’s nationwide to…NOT charge Hispanics nor Black Yooots (youths) with ANY real Crime offence whenever possible, to Halt the High school To prison Pathway as dem libs called it. That is 100% factual Ron. I do not now have a link to proof of it…But much was discussed online at websites and forums about the issue back during obamas term. And that policy is still in effect..Proven so at that Fla school shooting last year when again this hidden prior info again surfaced…This time even discussed on prime time msm news shows!….These factors sort of fully wreck your theory on less mex crime perps.
You raise many excellent points. In addition the inevitable problems and conflicts that you identify, there is the matter of Affirmative Action in college admissions as well as in hiring throughout government as well as corporate America.
These politically correct quotas (affirmative action) will surely harm white Americans (men in particular) and add fuel to racial divisions and as well as cultural differences between America’s English-speaking, European-derived core and the hoards of new arrivals who demand social and economic ‘equality’. This spells more division, more ethno-racial rivalry. The worst is yet to come.
No.
Paul Ryan undid the House for Trump. Paul Ryan decided to, once again, focus on entitlement reform, i.e., cutting social security, medicare, etc.
Remember, Trump did not focus on these issues. He did not want these cuts. That’s what undid the House.
The problem for Democrats is that they got rid of a lot NeverTrumpers, neocons, rinos, and neoconservatives. These were wildcards that Trump could not trust. He was uncertain whether moves he made would get undone by impeachment led by his own party.
Those are gone.
He is actually in a much stronger position now than he was before. He has a lot to work with. Meanwhile, the marginal voter did not put Dems in the White House to impeach Trump. They put them there to work on healthcare. They can’t do that with Trump vetoing everything they push. Moreover, all of their subpoena nonsense is hot air. The Executive does not answer to the House so count on all of their subpoenas being ignored.
Do you know how Trump can get his agenda through the House? Attach healthcare provisions to the Wall, Immigration, border control, tariffs, birthright citizenship, anything he wants. Healthcare is a critical issue and Trumps position on entitlements…that we can pay for this if the economy grows and if we confine the benefits to real American citizens only…can work easily.
There are whole other avenues of attacks: Price controls on university tuition with student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy; Big Pharma attacks, attacking the price-differential between drugs costs here and elsewhere in the world; moving US soldiers stateside to guard the border and build the wall.
The possibilities are endless.
Thanks Ron, great article and while I still disagree with you more broadly it’s nice to respectfully disagree for once. I am curious about the environment though, specifically in relation to this sentence:
“Probably the leading concern is the extremely high cost of housing, and once these huge living expenses are properly considered, the state’s resulting poverty rate is among the worst in the country.”
One of the questions I postulate to immigration proponents (or in this case apologists) is how does 1-2 million more people a year help citizens that already live here? Traffic will obviously become worse but how does importing the equivalent population of Los Angeles help the American ecosystem? It’s really interesting how environmentalism is completely absent from the immigration debate, in fact it’s that curiousness that makes me dubious of claims that follow the same template.
There has been so much written about overpopulation in the third world but of course there are many folks who don’t believe the planet (or particular countries) are overpopulated, apparently they’ve never heard of Nigeria.
But I’m curious Mr Unz, how does 1-2 million more people every year help our environment? How does that make us more self sufficient or resistant to inevitable dips in food production or other large scale challenges? I’m not sure if I’ve heard answers to those questions before.
“Nationally, the median age for whites is well over 40, meaning that few of them are in those years, while Hispanics are at 27, so a much larger fraction of them are. So Hispanics certainly do indeed have much higher crime rates than whites, but after you adjust for age, most of that difference disappears. I’d assume that drunk-driving is also age-dependent, though probably less so.”
I don’t know what this means: What does “adjustment for age” do? If Hispanics have a much higher crime “rate” then whites, then how would adjusting for age make that disappear?
Are you claiming that whites and hispanics are equally crime-prone at the age of 27?
It is not mysterious. It is too simplistic. It has flaws. You get crime rates {Ci} for cities i=1,….,n and their populations {Pi} and racial fractions {Wi,Hi,Bi}. Then you calculate correlations cor(Ci, Wi) or cor(Ci*Pi, Wi) and the same for Hi and Bi and then you plot them against time to see trends.
There is more info in the data that your method does not extract. Your data have qualitative feel only.
If correlations for Whites and Hispanics have similar magnitude it does mean that two groups have similar criminality. Correlation is not linear: correlation of a set is not a sum of correlations of the subsets.
That correlation is trending down or up does not really tell us much.
Blacks have much higher criminality so they can mask smaller magnitud effects among Whites and Hispanics.
If population of Blacks and Hispanics is anti correlated then the correlation of Hispanics with crime will be lower.
A proper method would be a linear model C=w*W+h*H+b*B+D that would be fitted with or w/o population P as weights. The coefficients w,h,b would quantitatively show contributions of each group to crime. From h, H and P you could get estimate number of all crimes committed by Hispanics according to this linear model.
Your method whether by design or not obfuscates. Why haven’t you done it correctly in the first place? It is not significantly harder than what you have done?
Cheap and dishonest shot. The animus was anti-White/European and anti-Catholic. Serra was Spanish not Mexican.
There was never a real intent to build it regardless of what Trump believed If reduction of illegals was the real objective penalizing business on the job supply side would solve the problem. I do not think Trump mentioned it even once.
Speculation: The wall as a signature issue was invented in the Spring of 2015 when the refugee invasion of Europe was being orchestrated in the ME by Turkey and Israel and horrific scenes on Hungarian borders were to being choreographed. It was not done for the benefit of Trump though. He just got an insight information that the Summer of 2015 would be the Summer of people storming the borders. It did not last as long as expected because Merkel defused the situation in September 2015 and Putin moved to Syria the same month. The intent behind the operation of sending refugees to Europe was much deeper.
It made me laugh.
Stirring things up is a job for him. It pays. But not near his home. He likes harmony where he lives. His bravery is proportional to his vulnerability.
Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010
‘How Germany destroys itself through large scale immigration of relatively stupid migrants, with high birth rates’.
Germany is rich through, what German industrialists call ‘export of intelligence’, high quality advanced products..
Intelligence is to a large extent hereditary.
Sarrazin foresaw, even before Merkel opened the gates, how Germany would destroy itself
The whole European world, that is, European culture, is busy destroying itself, more and more peple realise.
Oh boy this is going to cause a shit show in the comments but its interesting none the less. According to the leftist prison policy institute who’s world view is basically that mass incarceration is the new Jim Crow and that the Texas justice system is just as “racist” to Hispanics as it is to Blacks if not more so, Whites and Hispanics are incarcerated at similar rates in Texas.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/TX.html
Simplistic issues summarized
Hispanics are not blacks and that is a good thing ~ Ron Unz, Fred Reed
Hispanics are like blacks and its terrible ~ John Derbyshire, Steve Sailer, VDare, Strormfront types
Hispanics are like blacks and its awesome ~ Democratic Party, SJWs, the Media, NAACP publicly, ect.
Hispanics are not blacks and its a horrible ~ ? maybe Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan NACCP privately,
“Much of their money they earn is cash and is not taxed…casual labor they call it where I live. Furthermore, they send at least half of it back to Mexico, and Middle America. This is not taxed and it’s not put back into the US economy. I’ve lived with them for over 35 years and they have become a social cancer on the communities.”
Boy ! Got confused there for a moment – thought you were taking about multinational companies. Then realised the money you spoke of was a mere drop in the ocean compared to corporate tax avoidance.
Mr Unz has written a very thoughtful article.
He is right to separate race and immigration.
Immigration is a serious issue – cast it in racial terms and you will never get positive action: you will be fought at EVERY turn.
I believe EVERY country has an environmental (& cultural) carrying capacity, beyond which it is dangerous to go. I can’t prove it , but I believe the US (& Australia) are getting close to capacity. Could the US function as a first world country with a population of 400, or 450 million people ? Even climate change deniers must admit that there are environmental limits.
Assume climate change & those limits radically shrink.
Radically reduce immigration – good, but remember, most immigrants only leave because their own countries are hell-holes. The US (& Mrs Clinton) enthusiasticly helped Hondurous into a vicious despotism. Surprise-surprise, they want to leave.
Want to shrink immigration push factors ? Stop helping foreign countries become hell-holes….But now we approach issues way beyond mere immigration….
Ron, I find it rather incredible that you could get through this entire piece without mentioning Bernie Sanders. This is Mickey Mouse–or uninformed? I myself contributed to OurRevolution so that Bernie and friends would have the loot for him to make his election swing through many states. What, you think Kevin deLeon would have made real progress against Feinstein were it not for the CA DNC that got the message, even if that putz Padilla refused to count all the 2016 primary votes. I’m surprised, since you yourself are aware how the inclusion/exclusion of info and the framing participate in creating the future. There were a few pieces in alt-media that gave coverage, also or especially to the non-coverage of Bernie’s stump appearances and the (as usual) blowout #’s. I would think that you’d do a greater service if you would conceive of getting Ron Paul and the Libertarians to put aside some of their Platonist ideals long enough to get together with Sanders–bringing him support for breaking with the US foreign Policy (here they agree with Corbyn)–so that he would be encouraged to make a run as an Independent. What would Israel Shahak say?
You are right that Whites need to stop up and stop suing Jews for discrimination. Such discrimination is rampant, and goes far beyond Ivy League schools. I’m not even sure such a case has ever been brought and lost.
I suppose it’s possible that to some Asians, Jews are also “Whites”, but their lawyers can’t be that dumb. Maybe their lawyers are Jews, lol. Lo and behold, a moment after contemplating that, I discovered that the organization behind the lawsuit, Students for Fair Admissions, is run by a Edward Blum, who no doubt just happens to be Jewish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Blum_(litigant)
So we will see what remedies they seek. On its face the suit is about discrimination against Asian-Americans. It’s possible Mr. Blum will seek to reduce Jewish admissions and point out the blatant pro-Jewish discrimination at the Ivy Leagues. Though it’s more likely that pigs fly, given he is a raving neo-con.
Point taken, but it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I don’t feel I need to read all 200 linked pages (or so) to be able to ask a question about the data accuracy. Thanks for pointing me to the correct one of the many linked articles you authored.
Using state incarceration rates is useful only if you know how the prison system uses them. The low occurrences of Hispanic crimes in Florida would seem to indicate that they do not faithfully follow the forms, or the forms do not have a “Hispanic” option. I suppose it is possible that the numbers are accurate but given the extent to which they are outliers, I would want to interview some prison officials/inmates to see if there is any semblance to reality – my guess is not. While not scientific, a search of “Florida inmates” on my search engine shows a lot more Hispanics than the official statistics count (and a massive number of Blacks) – https://duckduckgo.com/?q=florida+inmates&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images .
If I have time I will look at it some more but the critical analysis for any statistical study is the data set, and I don’t see how anti-immigration analysts would be any more suited to assess prison data sets than you or I – it would take actual investigative journalism to ascertain whether these statistics resemble reality. As noted, in my very simple test, they did not. And there are other factors too – e.g., to the extent groups tend to prey on other members of the same group, Hispanics may be less likely to report crimes, particularly if they are illegal. You have taken some similar factors into account in your analysis, namely, median age. I.e., one would need to look at reporting rates, suspect apprehension rates, conviction rates and incarceration rates, not just the incarceration rates. Maybe you did all that but I haven’t gotten to it yet – anyway, thanks for sharing your work, good food for thought.
You forgot the elephant in the room, tech. They already HAVE devastated the industry as far as whites and non indians are concerned. It’s almost like a fiefdom now. And (((they))) are quite fine with that since they sit on the very top. However almost all “leadership” positions are the dot heads. Since they share a lot more than just basic supremacism, it is no wonder the dotheads are such ardent zionists
I concur that we actually need a complete 20 year moratorium on ALL immigration. I was just indulging in some ol fashioned joshing. However I’d be lying if I said I am not attracted to asian women (I mean the real deal, the orientals. Not the “Asian” subcons).
The lure of p**** can make men do some real stupid sh** so yeah I can understand why some folks here are OK with mexicans as long as they look like salma hayek or penelope cruz. It’s totally understandable. Sometimes us men behave like pigs when it comes to beautiful women. Completely greedy. That doesn’t excuse immigration though. It must stop for now
I completely concur. 10+ years in tech and I have seen it ALL.
Yours truly fits in said group. However I am trying my best to educate the (very few) white younger staff of the “perils” of liberalism (or rather neo-liberalism as classical liberalism was or at least pretended to for the workers!) to their personal and professional “growth”
I can feel your bitterness. I wake up every morning with a certain stoicism which allows me to face these charlatans that hate my guts with dignity. Is it any wonder (((they))) have chosen the dot-heads to be their closest minions? These dot heads are a tanned version of the chosenites.To replace the (now) expendable WASP traitors as they’ve found someone even better, someone who, unlike the WASP, has similar values “baked in” to their worldview.
I was at Intel a couple years back and a fat dot-head slob from Qualcomm just replaced one of our senior managers for a very senior leadership role. In three months that bas**** had replaced almost all mid level white managers with his hindoo brethren and the whole thing went predictably down after that. As you can expect it is another cisco or oracle in the making. Obviously I’ve left that company after my white manager also got replaced by a hindoo and predictably started making life difficult for the non Indians. Unfortunately wherever you go, you run into them however this new place has a couple of (I think) based whites so I am just a little more optimistic.
I hate their guts at this point in my life and no one sickens me the way these dot heads do. Even in faraway memphis, they are replacing white folks at fedex HQ with dot indians. It’s just shameful what we are allowing to happen to our young generation. Had this been happening in India, they’d have rioted by now (riots are an Indian specialty, featuring all the blood and gore you’d expect from any 3rd world sh**hole plus a lot of sexual sadism to the women and children)
Our young lads, full of naive optimism, were fooled to incur a ton of debt so they can be pushed aside to make way for these conniving blowhards by their equally conniving (((leaders))). No wonder they make such a perfect “couple”. They both come from a place of racial resentment and in the case of the dot heads, I’d say sexual resentment as well (considering how deprived they look)
Aside from the most important thing, preserving California natural beauty, high density living IMO opinion is miserable. In China they have “coffin apartments.” Think of how cheap CA could be with coffin apartments!
If anything land in CA should be reclaimed, with many buildings torn down, with land being returned to nature.
Well, it’s nice to see that the latest Texas data available online tells exactly the same story as what I had mentioned in my article a few years ago.
Actually, since Hispanics are considerably more likely to be in their prime-crime years, if you adjust for age, you’ll discover that Hispanic incarceration rates in TX are substantially *below* those for whites.
Ron,
This column seems to be aimed at your leading columnist. If he knows what’s best for him, he’ll remain silent—the power relationship is too unequal. But he’ll remember.
My two cents is that this column suffers from too flaws:
1. It reduces the social and cultural issues of immigration to the single issue of crime.
2. The crime issue is further reduced to that of homicide.
The homicide rate is arguably a good measure of violent crime. It’s not a good measure of most other forms of criminal activity. A society can have a relatively low homicide rate while having high rates of corruption, nepotism, petty theft, and disregard for public space (littering, vandalism, indifference to strangers, etc.). In fact, such societies are pretty much the norm on this planet.
There’s also the larger issue of demographic dispossession. The United States was founded by settlers from northwest Europe who came in the 17th and 18th centuries. They and their descendants defined the U.S., not only its laws and political institutions but also its cultural and behavioral norms—the unwritten ways of doing and being. Above all, they created a peaceful, law-abiding society where people normally trust each other. That’s not how most societies work on this planet, in case you haven’t noticed.
There’s another aspect of American exceptionalism. I won’t discuss Hispanic IQ at length because Fred Reed will get upset and because many of your commenters will see this as a distraction from more important issues (which seem to be Jews! Jews! Jews!). Hispanic IQ is not unusually low, but it’s not unusually high either—it falls within the mid range of human societies. So the smart fraction will be accordingly smaller. I remember reading an author who said he could engage in a lengthy intellectual discussion with most people in California, including obscure things like the possibility of life on other planets or the latest advances in science and technology. This was back in the 1950s. Is it true today?
Finally, there’s the little issue of voluntarily becoming a minority. Why would anyone agree to such a fate? I used to know an Italian whose family came from Rijeka (formerly Fiume). It used to be a largely Italian city, but most of its Italian inhabitants were pressured into leaving in 1945. He still had a few relations there. When I asked him if they enjoyed living in Rijeka, he shrugged and replied: “You know, it’s no fun being a minority. Even when things go OK, it’s no longer your country. You’re just a guest.”
So let me repeat my question. What’s in this for the founding population of the United States and their descendants? Or is that question off-limits? Are they allowed to talk only about crime?
You should read my later, much more detailed paper on the same topic:
http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
You’re missing the big issue. Cities as a whole are *extremely* large and ethnically-heterogeneous geographical units, and treating each one as a single unit for correlation purposes introduces vastly larger problems than the ones you suggest. We’re grouping together Bed-Stuy and the Upper East Side.
The problem is that below the city level, crime rates are reported by precinct and ethnic distributions by zip code, and matching the two sets up would probably involve 100x more effort than my urban correlation approach, if it could even be done at all. So somebody else can try it if they wish.
Meanwhile, my more “simplistic” analysis had never previously been performed by any researcher and my findings absolutely astonished several of America’s most prominent social scientists, so I guess I’ll have to be satisfied with that…
The commenters on my website tend to be a very lazy lot, who randomly spout off on things without first bothering to read my articles I’ve linked in the text and prominently featured on my website.
This seems to just be another variation on the theme that “Hispanics are natural conservatives”. However, didn’t Hispanics just try to get Proposition 209 overturned in the legislature only to have is shot down by the Asians? Aren’t Latino politicians always crying about the lack of (your) money in the schools and demanding increeases to supposedly fix the failure of their students?
“The US (& Mrs Clinton) enthusiasticly helped Hondurous into a vicious despotism” Generally speaking I agree with what you said. More specifically, I would suggest that if you want to start talking about Latin America, the first thing you should do is to learn how to write the the names properly (HONDURAS). I guess you do not know where to put the finger in the map if you have to find Honduras. No…., Honduras is neither near Peru nor close to Papua New Guinea.
The problem with this is that we know there is a problem in Texas where a lot of Hispanic perps are considered white. If you just grab local and state statistics and don’t look at each individual case (which I doubt they did) than you have an unreliable result. Now you are probably correct in their world view as it applies to incarceration of minorities but you also have their other interest which is to keep up the charade that illegal aliens are a great gift to society.
The problem with adjusting for age is that you have to wait 15 years to see if that comparison makes any sense. One thing you do not adjust for is the high incidence of gang and crime family membership with Hispanics.
We had one in our neighborhood – the whole family was involved in low level drug dealing. Eventually all the males and a few of the females went to prison. Since the old man ran off that was how they got by. They are gone now (probably foreclosed on when too many family members went to jail) and I didn’t have that much contact with them since I never used much in the way of drugs. From the grapevine I heard that some got tired of revolving jail stints and some didn’t. The problem with drug dealing is that you always have to be ready for a deal that goes bad so pretending that it isn’t violent is something the left tries to push that isn’t reality on the streets.
“California was once a middle-class paradise. Now the only whites around are either homeless, gays or wealthy. There can be no white middle class.”
I grew up working class/middle class and Northern California was once a promise land for that economic level. No more.
Your description of California as a whole fits San Francisco with the addition of young hipsters, Section 8 denizens and first gen immigrants. Now San Francisco is on the cutting edge of street poop. Calcutta with better weather and architecture.
When I first moved to SF a strong working class community still existed. Has almost disappeared and even young professionals who want kids are often forced out now. Other cheaper hubs in redder states are beginning to attract startups for that reason. Such is the life in a Socialist paradise
Well, quasi-WN-types such as yourself sometimes take more pride than you should in your supposed scholarly skills, which are often quite mediocre.
If you’ll recall, I had gladly allowed you to publish on this website, and much of your material was interesting, if perhaps of somewhat doubtful quality.
Then you wrote a long article on the evolution of criminal tendencies. I thought it was quite interesting, but (very politely) pointed out you had apparently miscalculated the strength of the selective-pressures involved by one to two orders-of-magnitude, which is hardly a small amount.
You gradually became extremely agitated and deleted my own (very polite) technical comments. Strangely enough, I do not like to get censored on my own website.
As a reasonable consequence, I eliminated your moderation privileges. You took that quite badly, and a few months later, abandoned this website entirely, using the excuse of the horrific “anti-Semitism” that you found so troubling here.
You apparently returned to WN/HBD blogging some time ago, but as far as I can tell, you get negligible traffic and almost no comments, which apparently is the reason you occasionally show up here to denounce immigration and “anti-Semitism”…
yep, that’s the county
Scott Israel is the sheriff, and he’s an anti-gun nut.
And yes, the reason the school district didn’t act on the numerous violations of Mr. Cruz, was indeed due to Obama’s ‘Promise’ program, that prevented minority students from being disciplined. (the logic of course that if minority students were disciplined in higher percentages vs. white students, then it was prima facie proof of widespread racism in America’s school system. The so-called racist “school-to-prison pipeline.”).
The irony is that once the sacrosanct victim of endemic and ubiquitous white racism in the nation, went on a crazed killing spree, he suddenly morphed into a ‘white supremacist’, as per the ADL and media outlets.
But there’s so much more to this. America’s cops are often trained by the ADL. This is likely why so many Hispanics are designated as ‘white’ in crime reports. In fact, I suspect that most Hispanics are designated as white, for local and national crime statistics.
And of course this is all part and parcel of the Agenda.
Just watch anything coming out of Hollywood, and you’ll see that whites are far, far more violent and murderous than all their myriad victims; blacks, Hispanics and everyone else.
All part of the Agenda:
Headlines on Drudge right now –
German states want social media law tightened; No ‘Hate’…
London’s homicide rate hits grim milestone after spate of bloodshed…
Raising mentally fragile generation…
RABBI WARNS START OF BIBLICAL WAR…
Latinos could turn Texas blue in 2020 if enthusiasm holds…
MORE races go to Dems.
as for California, I remember reading somewhere that it was La Raza zealots trying to speed up the Reconquista of their lands in California and elsewhere who were starting many of the ‘wildfires’ in that state. With the intention of driving whitey out once and for all.
The fact that it’s now wealthy white areas being burned, makes me wonder.
But this is the thing. IF ten illegals were caught setting fires simultaneously, and when caught all cried out – Reconquista!’. I still don’t think it’d get reported.
Indeed, I suspect that the Agenda is so strong in the fevered minds of our law enforcement and media, elites and residents of Malibu, that even if it means they themselves will finally suffer some inconvenience do to their hatred and treachery, that they would universally prefer the fires to continue, rather than report on who was setting the fires. (just a theory ; )
No that’s not correct. By “adjusting for age,” I mean calculating incarceration rates based on the portion of the population aged e.g. 18-29 rather than the entire total. It’s certainly not perfect, but better than nothing.
And although it’s possible that some Hispanics may be mis-identified as white in prison incarceration statistics, it probably isn’t a huge effect. That’s because so much of prison violence is along racial lines, and the prisons therefore try their to properly identify inmates and avoid putting them together. That’s certainly the case in CA, and I assume it’s probably true in TX as well.
I’m not saying all these official government statistics are perfect, but they’re all we have. I do think they’re much better than your anecdotal data like “I know a Latino family that’s been involved in crime.”
But if you prefer the anecdotal approach, perhaps you should take up my repeated challenge to find just TEN cases of middle-class whites who’ve been murdered by illegals this year across the entire county. Given the 15,000 total homicides, my request is hardly an unreasonable one…
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Neither version is true.
In fact, the Arab Oil Embargo was brought on by American re-supply of Israel during the so-called Yom Kipper War in 1973.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/opec-enacts-oil-embargo
Those who don’t know history are not only condemned to repeat it, but also to confuse others in the process.
Are we there yet?
I believe I already did. The very first one on the list is 3 people who’s names don’t seem to be Hispanic. In addition, limiting the victims to middle class whites is another misleading trick. So if illegal aliens only murder black and Hispanic Americans we shouldn’t care that they are here?
http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/category/murder/
The point of gangs and crime families is that they don’t stop being criminals just because they get old. The old ones become the shot callers while the younger members do the crime. They are no less a criminal than the mafia Don.
In my youth, I saw many Americans working those terrible jobs without any 10 foot pole.
Darwin wrote no laws. If stupidity has consequences, watch your back. And your front.
Thankyou for your enlightening spelling criticism. So reassuring that there are people out there completely on top of such sins against the English lankyouaje.
MIDWEST DREGS
When I was young (90’s) all the druggies blew town for the Golden Shore Jerry Garcia sang about. Ranging from the potheads following the Dead to the real hardcore drug dealers. In the Midwest, if you are a druggy, you’ll be endlessly hassled.
The gays all wanted to leave the Midwest as well. This was essentially what the Dan White vs Harvey Milk case was all about-Irish-Catholics finding their community overrun by felch-breath homosexuals.
Also, the hot chicks wanted to move out West. Find a sugar daddy, become an actress etc.
My brother was a wannabe rock star. He settle for being an urban planner but even on a decent salary he did not want to raise his daughter out there. So he moved back East.
All people can be, & are, criminal…of course, as with everything else, some are “better” than others.
Left unsaid in the article is what the state would be like without immigration.
It might be okay now, but it could well be considerably better if Californians had raised up more of their own instead of importing different people.
EDIT: This was intended as a reply to @Peter Frost
Is it? Sailer has long been an immigration restrictionist, but he doesn’t have an obsession with hispanic crime. He’s also not a white nationalist, having debate Jared Taylor on this issue. Sailer promotes “Citizenism”. If anything golf course architecture figures more prominently in his material, and I’ve been reading Sailer for a decade now.
Crime obsessives actually mentioned by Ron in his piece include Breitbart, VDARE, and the Daily Stormer (lol). Sailer figures into Ron’s piece in his noted quiescence about Angeleno politics, though I can recall a number of pieces by Sailer on Garcetti.
Sailer’s main big theories (or rather ones that are novel to him) appear to be:
1 – The Sailer Strategy for winning elections (and Ron’s focus on Proposition 187 here is a challenge to Sailer, but not on the crime issue)
2 – Sailer’s “Affordable Family Foundation” theory (Ron in this very piece criticizes California’s high housing costs, so he can’t be too opposed there).
Sailer’s not in the habit of getting into debates with people anymore, but I’m sure Ron Unz would welcome his contribution here.
In a previous piece Ron mentions the late Philippe Rushton, who apparently despaired over Ron’s findings and felt they would invalidate his life’s work. I’d say Rushton’s ego was too sensitive and that when your only tool is a hammer the more everything looks like a nail. R-k is a good theory which explains much, but I recall Derbyshire’s observation that the greatest distinction is between blacks and non-blacks.
Hispanic crime seems useful to exploit politically despite not really being true. Playing on people’s primal fears is excellent electioneering. And we can point to the actual truth of significant violence south of the Rio Grande.
I read it way back. It was then I realized that your method while somewhat nouvelle was deficient. That having your data set one could extract much more information if doing it correctly. At that time I did not know why you did not do it in the correct way but now I began to suspect that you opted for correlations not from laziness, as I suspected first, but because you wanted to hide the quantitative rates of criminality for different ethnic groups.
Look at the bright sides. They do not spot holes in your methodology.
WHITE SUPER-CRIMINALS
When a Jeffrey Dahmer or John Gotti goes off the rails who has a high IQ and enough muscle mass to be the match of the average ghetto thug they wreak enormous amounts of damage on society.
Dahmer, for example, killed 17 people. That is more than 15 Crips, who always get busted their first or second homicide and are locked up for the rest of their life.
Gotti killed possibly as many as 100 people.
Thankfully, white criminals are statistically few in number.
And let us be honest that the public does not really care anyhow about queer prostitutes missing in action or Italian-American hoods.
Shawn Returns,
“In China they have “coffin apartments.” ”
“coffin apartments” are in Japan, Mr. Returns. We’re already quite miserable, don’t plant anymore on us…
The only way to truly stop voter fraud is to make every American citizen re-register, with proof of American citizenship, using a standard form at the federal level, from which a tamper-proof voter ID card is issued.
There is enough time before the next federal election cycle to make this work.
Well Sir, I have read some of your articles on the subject, and you make excellent and salient and cogent points. As usual.
The thing is.. as one commenter just suggested, it isn’t all about rape and murder, but those things are important too. Even one rape or murder or both are considered unacceptable if it turns out the raped and murdered girl was raped and murdered by an orc that had no business being in the country in the first place. But was here due to the greed, or treachery and genocidal hatred of our ruling classes.
But more to the point, as I and others have said, the more dire nature of immigration isn’t just the crime. It’s the tenor of the place.
Miami might be the most crime-free city in the nation, (not likely), but that isn’t the whole story.
I happened to be in the vicinity during New Years Eve 2017, and was witness to Pit Bull’s Miami Revolution celebration.
here’s a quick search of what it looked like
a typical performance
what was missing, was any hint of Heritage American culture
It was a new Miami, with all that entailed.
Dade county was once a white place. With Miami Beach being Jewish and Miami proper and the outskirts being white.
Now it’s mostly diversity, (non-white) as the whites have been driven out. Crime or no crime, the culture doesn’t resonate with white folks. They’re still punished by Affirmative Action in every way possible, but they’re been driven to minority status.
A harsh reality for those pitiful few without the wherewithal to escape.
And this is the Agenda for America writ large, and once the diversity gets control of the nation in absolute terms, whitey won’t just be dying from opioid overdoses and seeing their sons snuff it coming back spiritually shattered from the Eternal Wars for Israel, but it will be a hell on earth to live in this nation for them.
Crime or no crime.
There’s more to life than just working and paying taxes and existing. There’s a subtle, ineffable quality that makes life worth living. Culture that resonates with your blood and gives meaning to your aspirations. Hope for your children to be happy. Friends and neighbors and associates you can feel something for, just as they feel something for you. Something other than distain and hostility.
It isn’t just when a crazed lunatic eats a man’s face off in Miami that you know something has gone wrong. It’s when the music and languages all spoken are something completely alien to you.
So you move on, and then find the community you move to is transforming in exactly the same way.
And this is all part of a larger Agenda, IMHO.
From Pakistanis in England to Turks in Germany, to Iraqis who rape ten year old Austrian boys, and are subsequently acquitted, because he didn’t understand that doing so was a crime.
The demographic and cultural war against the White people of the West seems to know no bounds.
And many of us find that troubling.
Are we racists for thinking that way? Dunderheaded fools and Rednecks, worried about our bodily fluids – as Fredo Reed would put it? Are Hispanics the exact same thing as white Americans, interchangeable in every way, except for the racism of white racist gas station louts?
Or, is there something worth preserving about Western civilization and its people, as such.
Even it only so they can enjoy New Years Eve celebrations that resonate with their tribal wonts..
This would be quite a remarkable news story and unlikely to be ignored by President Trump, particularly in advance of the midterm elections. The news media doesn’t need to report it when the President has 56 million followers on Twitter and his every “outrageous” utterance is duly covered wall-to-wall as the world’s most important news story.
Setting effective wildfires is not as easy as people think–ask the Japanese. At least it’s not all the time in all areas. Turkish agents did successfully set some in Greece, but I’m not aware of another time.
The crime simply seems to ambitious for La Raza activists, of whom there are not many and do not have a particularly high level of ability.
But if you have evidence that La Raza fanatics set the fire, I suggest you Tweet that to President Trump, Ann Coulter, Don Trump Jr, etc.
Ron,
I don’t consider myself a “White Nationalist,” and I have mixed feelings about nationalism in general. The nationalism of the 19th and early 20th centuries led to the globalism of the 21st century. It’s the same logic of liquidating local identities in order to create a larger and supposedly better identity. On the other hand, I advise people to vote for nationalist parties, like those of Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, and Viktor Orban in Hungary. But that’s a different sort of nationalism. Anyway, if Macron can redefine patriotism, why can’t nationalism be redefined?
This year you asked me to return to The Unz Review. I turned down your kind offer, and I explained my reasons at some length:
1. Comment control. When I was previously at The Unz Review I never had full comment control. For the first few months I had no control at all. After that I had the power to delete comments that could trigger a legal action in a U.S. court of law. Then, even that limited control was withdrawn. Nothing you have said since then leads me to believe that I would ever have full comment control. Please note: I’m a Canadian, and as such I can be held liable not only for what I write but also for what other people write in the comments section.
2. Your letter to The Harvard Crimson, in which you described Gregory Cochran as “an extreme rightwinger.” I understand that you have personal issues with Greg but those issues should be resolved in private between the two of you, and not in a public venue like The Harvard Crimson.
I have no wish to be famous. My blog is a workshop where I work out my ideas, and some of those ideas end up in dry academic publications. If I can do that, I’ll have done everything that is required of me.
What can we learn from graphs in your paper (see below)? What does correlation of -0.4 for Hispanics as opposed to -0.2 for Whites mean? Can we get some idea about crime rate form this graph? No.
What mathematically unsophisticated, including “America’s most prominent social scientists”, will take from it: Look, Blacks are high, I knew it. But look at the yellow curve, it is going down while the curve for Whites is going up. Hispanics reduce crime and whites increase crime? Get more Hispanic is the take home message.
You are a manipulator, Ron Unz.
I suspect that instead of immigration issues causing voters to switch parties, Republicans who made California the Republican powerhouse it was, have simply left the state, leaving it to the Democrats.
This “stay calm, it’s no so bad in CA” doesn’t acknowledge the horrifying fact that the two most powerful cultural and opinion forming industries – Hollywood, Popular Music & TV and Social Media (Facebook, Twitter, Google etc) are based in California (Los Angeles and the Bay Area) and these industries are dominated by ethnic and sexual groups/cults that absolutely hate poor and working class White Americans in fly over states, the South.
These $ billion elites openly insult, threaten us and openly work to replace us with anyone and everyone.
In order to work in these gigantic, insanely wealthy industries of Hollywood, Social Media a regular White American really has to sell her soul or her/his body to the most degraded sexual and political cults.
There seem not to be any John Waynes, Ronald Reagans, Johnny Carsons or traditional women able to work in the entertainment industry.
Take the actress Bo Derek – arguably one of the most beautiful women in Western history – she just let it out that she sort of supported President George W Bush’s compassionate Conservatism and that was it, she has been basically blacklisted from ever working in the entertainment industry again.
As for Facebook, Twitter, Google – Milo Y – an intelligent, very funny Gay Libertarian comedian got banned from Twitter for life for just making a very funny negative film review of the God awful Feminist remake of Ghostbusters!
I’ve lost all my social media access and Paypal for things like just “noticing” Islamic terrorist slaughters in Europe and the UK or the Pakistani Muslim, North African migrant sexual assaults sexual grooming rapes of Girls in Rotherham England and Cologne Germany!
No everything isn’t going to be alright in CA or in our invaded and rapidly declining USA, Western Europe/UK.
California also just has way too many people living there – too many diseased homeless people, too many street people, too many #*&[email protected] Lib as*holes, too many worthless colleges and universities where nothing much of value is taught.
M’thinks the Benedict Option is best in such a situation – withdraw from public life, form monasteries of the best of literature, philosophy, classical and popular culture because there just aren’t going to be many/any decent movies, TV shows, popular music – let alone a great, new symphony or opera.
As I said, it;’s only a pet theory of mine. (and others ; )
here there’s story of an illegal who it’s said set a fire ‘to stay warm’ that subsequently got out of control.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fires-immigration-20171019-story.html
I haven’t seen any proof that illegals or La Raza is responsible for the California fires, but consider..
If you could make a convincing case that by setting wildfires, that it would drive the racist and guilty white invaders out of your lands, is it possible some zealots might be temped?
And then consider.. If it were to have been demonstrated that an illegal or illegals were indeed responsible, would the authorities report this news?
Yes, Ann Coulter and perhaps even Trump, might tweet it and start a conversation, but I doubt Trump would do so. It’s just too incendiary. Trump likes to enflame his base from time to time, but when push comes to shove, he’s a damper on the combustibles.
Take the Las Vegas shooter. I’m convinced that psycho did that for a reason. They usually do.
But to this day they say he had no motive, or any motive escapes the authorities.
I think they’re lying, as usual. I think they know what his motive was, and are suppressing it for reasons of national exigency.
And I believe that they’d do the same thing if it were discovered that La Raza was starting the fires.
Are these fires burning white folks lands in proportions outside what you’d expect if they were random?
Just the answer to that one question might be telling, but I doubt anyone has any interest in asking it.
I think that blaming the collapse of the Republican party in California on the backlash to proposition 187 ignores a few major issues. First that it kept the Republican party on life support for 8 years longer than it would have otherwise. Pete Wilson would have lost in 1992 without it. Second is the unexamined question of why Californian whites don’t vote Republican.
If you removed every single Hispanic from California it would still vote Democratic. In the 1990s over 100,000 working class white families left California. They were displaced economically by the Hispanic working class, many of whom were illegally in the US. The white professional class wasn’t displaced at all they just had new serfs.
Immigration causes internal migration at nearly a 1 to 1 rate. The whites who have the most animosity against newcomers leave their old neighborhoods. The whites who have the least animosity against newcomers employ them.
Rurik said:
this just in from Drudge
https://apnews.com/cbcaf374df5e4bb6bd82c8894053d2a1
[emphasis mine]
I don;’t know California all that well, but perhaps Mr. Unz or others might know if those areas are inhabited by racist invaders or not.
BTW, I don’t want to sound unsympathetic to those people who’ve lost homes or loved ones. It’s very tragic and sad. And my heart goes out to all people who suffer such loss.
But consider how much more tragic and sad IF they knew who was starting some of the fires, and why. But failed to report on it, out of politically correct fealty to the Agenda.
Ha, ha, I designed an eight-bit processor on paper, logic tables and schematics all by hand, unfortunately, it was just before the age of afforaable FPGAs and a few affordable computers capable of emulating designs.
So I never saw my design run.
I was never the neatest at tech. drawing, not bad, but had several years of it, as you say, doing it (or having done it) is great training. I greatly appreciate having had that.
Question of arson, interesting, is it not? Never having been near the place, I was starting to have similar thoughts to your own reading of it two or three days ago, arsonists have to have had some role.
Sure, but I think it was mostly poking some mild fun at Mayor Garcetti for being a bland and boring white guy with an Italian name who’s part Jewish and suddenly “discovered” he was actually Mexican when he decided to run for office. I think I may have left a comment pointing out that since Mitt Romney’s family also came from Mexico, maybe Romney should have urged voters to elect Americans to break barriers by electing our first “Latino” president.
Steve has also sometimes written about that gigantically expensive new public school downtown that looks like a giant robot about to incinerate City Hall with its death-ray. And also about that the former LAUSD schools chief, a gay Latino in his 70s who was hit with an expensive sexual-harrassment lawsuit.
But LA is 50% Hispanic and only 20% white, and if Steve were living in 45% white Brazil, I suspect he’d have much more “exciting” things to focus on.
I’m not sure about that. Relying upon ridiculous lies in politics is fairly doable if you have overwhelming control of the media (e.g. RussiaGate), but I think it get much more risky when your opponents do.
Wake the hell up pajama people:
No, you’re missing what I emphasized in my text. My central result was that the urban correlation between the presence of blacks and the presence of violent crime is apparently just about the highest that anyone has ever found anywhere in the social sciences, and has been like that for 25 years. I think this is quite “interesting.”
Furthermore, I also pointed out that this result is surely weakened because most large cities are so racially-heterogeneous. A much more difficult but accurate calculation based upon neighborhoods would very likely raise the correlation to something close to unity.
Obviously, when the correlation of one particular factor approaches unity, it becomes extremely difficult to tease apart the impact of any other factors, and I certainly never claimed otherwise. Anyway, rather low correlations in the range of -0.2 or -0.4 don’t really indicate anything important, though since most sociological correlations are more like this, desperate academics sometimes pretend otherwise.
Meanwhile, the relative criminality of whites and Hispanics is better suggested by the other methods I employed.
On the matter of ‘Hispanics’, isn’t it about time to distinguish between the brown People-of-Color and white People-of-Conquistador? This confuses issues.
Calling all of them ‘Hispanic’ allows the people-of-conquistador(the whites or mostly white light-skinned mestizos) to masquerade as people-of-color(the browns and indigenos).
Also, it robs the brown people-of-color of their true identity and origins. After all, they’d lived in the Americas for 10,000 yrs BEFORE the conquistadors arrived. Calling all those indigenous brown people ‘hispanics’ is like calling black Africans ‘Europeans’ because Africa had been colonized by Europe in the 19th and 20th century.
Russians had been in Russia for a long long time. Then, they came under Mongol rule for few centuries. So, would it have made sense to call Russians ‘Mongoloid’?
It is a historical and linguistic crime to refer to All people of ‘Latin America’ as ‘Hispanics’ or ‘Latinos’. It is an imperialist identity for the non-whites. What kills me is that they’ve passively accepted it. What lack of agency.
perhaps so
and even if it’s only inadvertently, like migrants starting fires to keep warm, would they report that?
or, if the wealthy liberals living in Malibu and Santa Barbara were burned out by such fires, intentionally set or otherwise, would that mollify their gushing love of all non-white immigrants?
Would it be preferable to live in a country that would elect a man like Donald Trump, and know your homes were relatively safe..
or would it be preferable to live with the constant fear of arson, because the payoff would be the Deplorables would lose whatever remaining rights they once had?
If Bill Maher had to lose a house every few years, but white Americans were treated literally like Palestinians, with check points and gratuitous torture.. would that be preferable to knowing his house was safe? (rhetorical question)
What would George Soros or Robert Reich be willing to sacrifice to see Donald Trump and the Deplorables ground into the dirt?
Half their houses? Half of their wealth? More?
How many prominent national writers are there with a major focus on local issues? To take a random example, such as for instance Ron Unz, I can’t recall you writing much on local politics either. State politics to be fair, which Sailer doesn’t do much of either. Karlin occasionally writes on Moscow, and Derbyshire occasionally comments on New York.
I can think of some pretty good local writers like Chicago’s John Kass (or the late, great Mike Royko), but not many who do both.
Some commenters here point out interesting information about the states and cities where they live.
You’re right on media power, but the existence of substantial conservative media means that one can now effectively propagandize conservative voters (the opposite example you cited, Russiagate, for instance is only taken seriously by partisan Democrats).
A potential problem if your propaganda happens to turn off the marginal “moderate” voter, especially in competitive districts. So far I don’t see evidence of this being a problem. In fact if not for your work, no one would even be aware of hispanic crime being moderate other than perhaps Southwestern police officers.
The prominent Republican ad (Democrats let him into our country) featuring a menacing cop killer was denounced for “racism”, not painting a false pattern unsupported by data. The enemy specifically compared it to Lee Atwater’s 1988 Willie Horten ad, which of course painted a correct picture. Now to be fair there are suburban moderates, who while not exactly liberal, generally object to harsh belligerence (e.g. hence the Never Trump buffoons who abandoned our nominee in 2016).
And if I read you correctly, your thesis is that campaigning against hispanics leads to temporary political strength but long term defeat for conservatives. I am not convinced of that argument because hispanics aren’t blacks. They lean mostly Democratic because that party offers them relatively more financial benefits. Efforts to whip them into a fever against President Trump have gone nowhere (which speaks well of their political maturity). Thus it seems like our long-term political hopes hinge upon stabilizing our share of the electorate rather than anything else. Granted, there are ways of doing so which aren’t anything like Prop 187, but immigration control is one part of the recipe.
Well, in the first case someone with a long criminal history who may or may not be an illegal killed his former roommates who may or may not have been white supposedly because “they knew too much.” It wouldn’t surprise me if they’d all been involved together in drug-dealing or something like that. So it’s not at all clear whether it falls into my category.
The second case is an immigrant Uber drive who was paid by his idiotic customers to let them “car surf” but one of them carelessly fell off the roof and killed himself. I really wouldn’t call that a “homicide” and there’s anyway no indication that the immigrant was illegal.
In the third case, a couple of Latino gang members killed a couple of rival Latino gang-members, which obviously doesn’t meet my criteria. Same for the fourth case, in which a Latino guy strangled his Latina ex-girlfriend.
Most of the other cases are similar or involve drunk-driving. There isn’t a single clear case that goes toward my target of TEN, and I’m certainly not going to wade through endless pages looking for them.
The broader problem is that illegals are over 3% of the total population, so if they were just “average” in criminality they’d account for around 500 annual homicides. If you want to go through all the websites and try to show that the actual total is far, far above 500 murders per year then be my guest. But by challenging you to locate merely TEN middle-class white victims, I was giving you a much, much easier task, and also one more relevant to middle-class American whites. To some extent, it’s a sampling or filtering technique.
Frankly, that website you found seems pretty useless to me, though if you want to filter it for the cases I’m talking about, that’s fine.
By contrast, consider the Daily Stormer. It may be a “Neo-Nazi” webzine, but it seems to be run by much more competent and serious journalists. As I mentioned upthread, I went there yesterday and *immediately* found four cases of middle-class whites murdered by blacks. I just now went back there again, and found four *additional* cases of middle-class whites killed by blacks. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re able to publish close to 1,000 such murders per year, and that’s probably not the entire national total.
If that stupid illegal immigrant website were run along similar lines, the whole question would be pretty easy to resolve.
Um, because if you mention that the people you are actually concerned about are the gang-raping Pakis, the police come and take your children away?
Or, maybe it was the verbose nonsense you wrote.
Hard to say. There was a giant corporate tax cut as well, so I suspect most of those rich blue-staters benefitted from the tax cut anyway (since rich folks own the corporations).
All the plants are overseas.
They are there because owning your own silicon foundry is very expensive and beyond the economics of low volume chip houses. It is horrendously expensive to constantly update your equipment as technology advances.
The company I worked at designed their own ASICs for pacemakers and ICDs. They bought the design files for an old 8 bit processor and modified it. The other chips for monitoring the heart’s electrical system and stimulating the heart were designed based on previous designs and the new requirements. There is no way, doing 25,000 units a year, that they could maintain their own foundry. They send the tapes to Taiwan and get the wafers back where they do testing in house. Of course they are taking a chance that their design will be stolen but that is the price you pay.
The hardware design group does build proof of concept breadboards but the actual chip design is all done on the computer, just like a computer programmer. The wafer is cut and some are put in DIP packages for testing to make sure what was designed works as expected. So even EEs are slowly being removed from hands-on experience.
Shoot in fact even in total per capita terms they are “underrepresented”. Look at Harris County the largest in the state. Over 44 percent Hispanic and less then 23 percent of the inmates are latino. https://www.texastribune.org/library/data/texas-prisons/counties/harris/crime/
I’m not so sure about that. Don’t forget that Silicon Valley companies basically control the Internet, and they’ve been kicking off lots of pretty influential right-wingers, which eventually may have a major impact on the political landscape.
My impression is that most of the Tech execs are rather politically naive, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they vaguely believe all that crazy RussiaGate nonsense. So if stopping “Russia spies” has had a major role in the new policies at Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, that could be very significant, and far more extreme things could happen in the future.
And don’t forget that Silicon Valley is very heavily immigrant/Hispanic, and most of these top Tech execs know perfectly well from their real-life experiences that Hispanics don’t commit a lot of crime. So when Trump and his right-wing friends claim otherwise, they just look like liars or idiots. Personally, I’d bet that all the ridiculous “illegal immigrant crime” nonsense has been one of the three or four biggest reasons that the top Tech people all think that Trump and his friends are just a bunch of potentially dangerous nuts, and feel they’re doing a public-service by gradually driving them off the Internet.
Their silly views on RussiaGate probably come from occasionally glancing at the headlines of the NYT, but their sensible views on Hispanic crime come from the evidence of their own daily experiences.
I live in Palo Alto and I think I have a reasonable awareness of the sort of local news and events that would tend to shape their view of reality. Convincing the CEOs of Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube that you’re a bunch of lunatics entails serious risks…
OK, I’m trying to be the exception that proves the rule here, and I’d promised you to read the article. I did a few hours back. However, as you’ve already been told by some of the astute commenters, your method is not necessarily sound. You discussed, but did not address well (besides hand-waving “yeah, it’s prison, so they know who’s what race/ethnicity to avoid riots”) the problem of whom of the Hispanics will be labeled White, Black, or Hispanic in the various stages of crime investigation and the legal system. You do not understand what I’ve written about a number of times, the fact that illegals, by definition do not fall under the same legal system in reality.
There are state incarcerations, and there are Federal. It’s true that many of the Fed crimes committed by illegal aliens are illegal entry to the country to begin with, but my hand-waving, and reading, says that not so many are held nowadays just for illegal immigration – they have usually committed felonies to end up in the Federal pen. 20% of Fed inmates are illegal aliens, is what I just read. In addition, incarceration numbers do not equal the number of actual criminals. This is much more the case for illegal aliens who bail out of the system at will.
You have some kind of assumption about most illegal aliens being urban dwellers. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion, as lots of illegals work in farming where I live. I think many more live in the country, but no, I don’t have numbers – they are, after all, what’s that word, oh yeah, UnDOCUMENTED.
I will address these points, but I will tell you that, having read 2/3 of the comments under your 8-year-old article (just making sure it’s the same one you meant me to read), I agree with lots of the very intelligent detractors in those comments, some of who are still trying to explain their points here, but it may have to be later on due to work calling.
I will say now though, that having spent 20 minutes or so with bing, one can find articles with conclusions all over the map as to whether illegal Hispanics commit crimes, including murder more or less in proportional to their population than Whites. I did run upon a site that described (with the police information in and accompanying .pdf) 48 underage rapes by illegals in ONE MONTH in ONE STATE (NC) alone! – yeah, a few were statutory rape, but many were just plain children. OK, that’s not homicide, but it’s violent and despicable crime nonethless.
It’s not easy to find that mythical TEN homicides, as I explained to you already. Many are local articles that will not pull up. I know ones in my city, but I can’t find anything on-line (I’d have to remember names, I suppose). I’ll continue later on, Mr. Unz.
San Francisco, a city I drove through each night, does have a population devoted to ‘progressive’ agendas. Conversely, their rents, housing costs, utility costs and other expenses will swell the homeless population, impoverish your “Middle Class”, and empower the ruling class to further tighten their already iron grip on the electorate. When the city’s “Sanctuary” status was initiated to allow illegal aliens to live there without fear of deportation, said visitors formed gangs of young men who would hurl insults at people, following pedestrians in a threatening manner, while defining a “Turf” for their activities to continue unchallenged by police or civic groups. There’s a reason why Mexico is described as a Toilet American Sits On, and it’s starting to overflow. We’re witnessing the ‘overflow’ in these sanctuary cities.
Well I only needed 7 pages to get to J.S on a fishing boat in Virginia (assumed white) , Madison Wells, Molly Tibbets, Charles Byrdic, Veronica Jester, Joyce Cluchey, Ann Farrin, Neidy Roche, Maria Larin, Dixie Rios, Laura Abarca, Brittany Baez, and Russel Fisk.
Now I know your are going to say that somebody with a Hispanic surname doesn’t count but with a first name like Dixie I am guessing a long time family resident of the South. Why do you think it is OK for illegals to murder anybody who isn’t a middle class white? How does that make any difference to people who don’t want them here?
In addition, ICE statistics showed 1800 illegals arrested for homicide.
http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/murder/fact-ice-arrested-1800-foreign-born-killers-in-2017/
curious, I did a quick search of “palo alto california arrests” on Bing
this was the first result:
https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Palo+Alto+California+Arrests&qpvt=palo+alto+california+arrests&FORM=EWRE
it begins with-
Palo Alto Arson Suspect Arrested
https://patch.com/california/paloalto/palo-alto-arson-suspect-arrested
it doesn’t mention his ethnicity, but his name is Osvaldo Madrigal
here’s his mug shot and arrest record from Kentucky
https://kentucky.arrests.org/Arrests/Osvaldo_Madrigal%20mendoza_27980066/
there is no mention of his race or ethnicity anywhere
the next story is about this
https://californiadolphin.com/news/577977/police-renew-attention-to-east-palo-alto-cold-case-killing
more
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/3-Men-Kidnap-Sexually-Assault-East-Palo-Alto-Teen-in-Random-Attack-Police-499483041.html
read the comment
I don’t want to read too much into such anecdotal information, but I do note that it seems the authorities are loath to ever make mention of the race of a perp, especially if they’re a first-class [non]citizen.
And for what it’s worth, when ever they say “random’, you can basically be 100% certain that the perps are fist-class citizens and the victim most likely white.
BTW, my retort to your “laziness” crack was not meant to denigrate other commenters. Just speaking for myself, I am a numbers/details guy for work that I do, but I don’t have the time to get into this stuff in the way you did. Now, does that mean I should trust your stuff? No, I’ve written the same thing about the climate “journalists” who will read nothing but a conclusion of a scientific paper (as that’s all he CAN read) and just extrapolate from there. In addition, my common sense from observing this play out all around me, tells me otherwise. As I said, I’ll write more on this.
I did read your essay and look at your graphs, but again, there are many assumptions in this area simply due to the undocumentedness of it all. That is what you were trying to get to, right, whether Americans should think illegal Hispanics are more of a physical threat than others (leaving the brothers alone for a second, of course.)?
First of all it’s not a drop in the bucket. I suggest you quantify it. The last time I checked it was the third source of income into Mexico! It does not dismiss the Corporate stealing in America which is great. Everything is cumulative and synergistic in the economic pathways.
OK, I found the city’s own website
https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/gov/depts/pol/info/default.asp
it begins with the arsonist’s arrest, but of course no mention of his ethnicity or legal status
more:
https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=4228
if you scroll down, it looks like a charming cornucopia of vibrant races, from dark black to white and everything in between, but it also seems that Palo Alto does not report on the race or ethnicity or legal status of its criminals.
All I’m suggesting is that ‘top Tech execs’ probably travel in circles that don’t get much ‘up close and personal’ experience with these folks, and probably rely on the local media to keep them informed.
But as with the teenage girl gang raped by three men in your town, even as they’re putatively looking for these orcs, the media and authorities are so pathologically obsessed with protecting the dishonest narrative of ‘minorities as eternal victims of white racism…
that they refuse to even give a description of the animals.
The legislation limited the federal deduction for state and local taxes (income, sales, property) to $10,000 per year.
That has substantially hurt people who are mostly NOT “rich.”
Many millions of non-rich families and individuals in CA, NY, NJ, CT, MD, OR, Hawaii, etc., pay more than $10,000 per year in property tax alone (especially in New Jersey) AND more than $10,000 in state income tax alone (especially in California and Oregon).
Easily the majority of the people hurt by this change are people who supported Trump, especially outside CA and Manhattan.
This includes my retired mother, living in NJ, whose federal income tax liability has increased under the new tax law.
The limitation on federal deduction of state and local tax payments has arguments in its favor, but the change needed to be done gradually and the limit can’t be only $10,000 per year. A deduction limit more like $30,000 per year would hit the fat cats without hurting so many others.
Really? Seems highly improbable. How is ‘white’ defined?
I’m just sorta incredulous ’cause Brazil always seemed pretty brown to me. And then a few years ago, a Brazilian co-worker referred to Sao Paolo as white, and identified himself as white … when by any US standard he was quite obviously not …. or mixed … or whatever is the PC definition.
And BTW, if Hispanics are not White, why would the Portuguese be any whiter than the Spaniards? Does Hispanic only refer to a mixture of Spanish with indigenous Amerindians? Aren’t Mexican colonial Spaniards who didn’t miscegenate still considered Hispanic?
. I don’t think they have accepted it. There’s a caste system. It’s the whiter upper layer that’s adopted this language.
When the political model of Socialism is applied, races, genders, sexual orientation, citizenship status and religious freedom ALL are thrown upon the Altar of Government Control and Special Dispensation. Stirring up racial and gender strife creates a fertile environment for demagogues to minister to a “Majority” electorate, promising jobs, promotions, special protections and speech codes that will further deteriorate relations between these now-competing factions. Let’s look at Venezuela, shall we? (Russia is old hat, but the same tribe infiltrated their leadership…) What happened to a nation that was rolling in oil money, self sufficient, virtually uniform in its racial population makeup, and had a bright future as an oil rich, sovereign nation? First and foremost, they gave WOMEN the vote. Female suffrage was emphasized for one reason: Women vote for demagogues. When that effort reached fruition, the media, courts, social organizations and coffee shops commenced a campaign to enforce “Fairness”. Why did the big oil magnates and leadership live in luxury, while the masses wallowed in slums and squalor? Of course, when you talk to females about political issues, you include children in the mix. You also encourage women to campaign for “Equal Rights”, and the expansion of the government to implement programs to benefit their newly hatched revolutionaries. Females are not the only faction socialists ply with their government administered panacea; blacks, homosexuals, illegal aliens, malcontents and criminals will eagerly join the fray. Before they knew it, the hugely bloated, politically corrupted and fiscally careless leadership faced a steep decline in oil revenues, while they simultaneously nationalized the nation’s industries, which created a revenue source ill equipped to adjust to such drastic economic downturns. Now, those women chase stray dogs and cats to eat, and their protests are met with armed government resistance I’m afraid the human condition renders many people vulnerable to such schemes. America also contains those types of humans.
Frankly, I’m also pretty surprised and somewhat skeptical. But Wikipedia claims that 48% of Brazilians are “white,” being entirely or mostly European in ancestry. I’ll bet that the true figure is quite a bit lower, but don’t have a clue what it would be.
One way to do this and separate them out, is to look at religious affiliation instead of ethnicity, since, presumably the majority of Hispanics, even if they self-identify as white, are Roman Catholic.
I commented on this a while back in regards to blacks being overwhelmingly Protestant and also make up a big chunk of American Muslims:
– http://www.unz.com/article/the-national-question-and-the-war-on-poland/#comment-2085551
Blacks are rarely Catholic, which should give Catholics a huge advantage in terms of being underrepresented in the federal prison population, but Catholics are actually incarcerated at higher rates than Protestants (see below), even though most blacks are associated with historically black Protestant churches:
Source: http://www.unz.com/article/the-national-question-and-the-war-on-poland/#comment-2084350 and http://archive.is/w19xI
Hispanics are less often Protestant, particularly Mexicans, who are also about 12% of the federal prison population https://web.archive.org/web/20181021232251/https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp :
– http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/08/on-religion-mexicans-are-more-catholic-and-often-more-traditional-than-mexican-americans/
Maybe it’s race. We know that even though African-Americans represented only 13 percent of the U.S. population in 2013, they represented 36 percent of the prison population. And we know that Muslims are almost twice as likely to be African-American as the U.S. population as a whole. (I think race is also probably relevant when we’re thinking about the over-representation of Rastafarians and Santerians in prison too.) – http://archive.is/G5y5o#selection-1267.0-1279.235
I’d very much doubt that the EPA girl abducted and assaulted was white. East Palo Alto is overwhelmingly Hispanic and black and probably less than 5% white. Both she and the suspects were almost certainly Hispanic or black, and if they catch them, I’ll find out about the latter.
I carefully read my local newspapers and since ethnic sociology is interesting to me, I keep a close eye on the crime reports. Most of the time the racial background is apparent on the more serious cases, either based on description or after the suspects are arrested, on name.
My general area is about 25-30% Hispanic and maybe 2-3% black. I’d say Hispanics and blacks commit about an equal share of the serious crimes, with perhaps a little more due to the latter. I’d say these two groups together account for about 80-90% of the total, hardly surprising since the local whites and Asians are mostly affluent executives and technologists, hardly likely to commit street crimes.
Those are the apparent facts, and you can make of them as you will.
Not at all. Please do keep in mind that my Hispanic Crime article that you say you just read focused only very slightly upon illegal immigrants. My entire analysis was on *Hispanics*, whether legal, illegal, or citizens. And Census data conclusively proves that Hispanics are very heavily urbanized, much more so than whites.
Actually, almost everyone in the subject generally admits that illegal immigrants have relatively low crime rates. The much sharper debate is whether the next generation does as well, and I think that was substantially addressed by my article in question.
The last time I looked, roughly half of all federal inmates were incarcerated for immigration violations. As I pointed out, almost all ordinary street crimes—murder, robbery, rape, theft, assault—are prosecuted in state courts. I doubt the average street thug is usually sent away for interstate kidnapping.
Which right-wingers have been kicked off for spreading factually incorrect information about illegal alien crime? Any?
Dissent from whatever we should call this strange ideology is functionally treated by the so-called SJWs as heresy. Conflicts over illegal immigration are only a smart part of this. Milo Yiannapolous for instance barred from Twitter as a result of attacking…an actress (who happens to be black and not very attractive).
If you doubt me have a look at some of the prominent members of the so-called Resistance:
Here’s Ed Krassenstein, a Jewish white collar criminal from Florida who latched onto the Resistance grift: https://twitter.com/edkrassen
Lots of content, though nothing about immigration recently. Though no doubt once the “Caravan” arrives Ed and his less notable Brian will be on the subject again.
Then there’s the claim most senior tech executives have extensive experience with his hispanics. Most of these executives come from upper middle class backgrounds and attended elite universities prior to entering the business sector. Very few of them are thus likely to have much experience with hispanics, other than minor interactions with domestic service workers.
As for the power of major tech companies, indeed it is considerable. This has led Tucker Carlson for instance to question his traditional free market conservative views. Clearly the federal government will be forced to regulate these entities. This task just grew harder with the loss of the House, but there’s a lot the executive branch can do on its own by using the existing framework of antitrust and civil rights law.
The problem has recently started spreading outside of the tech companies for the first time. Major banks and retailers are now putting their thumbs on the scales against the firearms industry. See this news piece from the summer: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2018-06-24/gun-industry-sees-banks-as-new-threat-to-2nd-amendment
This is new for them, but Google for instance has been refusing to accept gun ads for a very long time: https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/6014299?hl=en
Knives and tobacco come in for bans as well.
Somehow I don’t think that if we agree to only disseminate empirically accurate information about illegal alien crime that Corporate America will agree not to censor us.
I believe only 6.5% are incarcerated for immigration violations, Mr. Unz. Almost 50% of offenders in the federal prison system are incarcerated for drug offenses http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621043 , according to this source:
Last Updated: Saturday, 27 October 2018
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp
Archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20181023210718/https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp
True, up to a point.
You left out the consumer (r)evolution. Mass.
Engineering for quality before; engineering for consumer market as we speak.
Before, the work was done for the system.
I am sure you were able to explain some things to senior management once upon a time.
Now, the work is done for a common person carrying a smart phone.
Explaining to them…I am sure you know how it works.
That’s one of reasons the industry doesn’t need tech people as much. It needs somebody who can relate, communicate, with a customer.
Well…if you are really good, there IS one area you could try to find a refugee in: security.
Good luck.
Informative.
You are onto something there, but….I don’t think it’s given.
Besides….there IS a difference between North and South Island there.
I just think that what’s happening in USA isn’t the same what’s been happening in NZ. Things there are, IMHO, a bit different…more….complicated.
Or..to put it bluntly: it’s not about Maoris, it’s about “progtards”. They lost the plot.
Anyway….neither place nor time to get into that topic here.
Well, you made some effort at your end, so I’ll try to do the same, though you may not appreciate it.
First, there’s absolutely no evidence “J.S.” was white. Moreover, Rios, Abarca, and Baez are obvious Hispanic names.
Meanwhile, Ann Farin and Neidy Roche were both prostitutes:
https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/undocumented-immigrant-confesses-to-killing-prostitutes-dumping-bodies-in-street-cops/
Madison Wells was killed by her boyfriend:
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/09/13/new-jersey-teenager-stabbed-to-death-madison-wells-bryan-cordero-castro-long-branch/
Charles Byrdic was killed by a reckless driver:
https://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/crime/article216291150.html
Veronica Jester looks non-white, and with no motive specified, it’s not impossible that they were dating:
https://www.witn.com/content/news/Deputies-investigate-murder-outside-of-Pink-Hill-490259751.html
The Joyce Cluchey case certainly seems a very odd one, with no apparent motive and the suspect with no criminal record strangely claiming self-defense. The woman also apparently had a strange tattoo all around her neck and it sounds like she was probably a street prostitute:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/il-joyce-cluchey-30-chicago-18-may-2018-arrest.375831/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/murder-joyce-cluchey-archer-heights-garage-missing-person-chicago-southwest-side/
Russel Fisk was a tattoo artist killed by someone “who heard voices.”
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article211601869.html
My challenge was to find TEN middle-class whites (including Molly Tibbetts) murdered by illegal immigrants, excluding wives and girlfriends and that sort of thing.
Since most people don’t consider street prostitutes as “middle class” people, I think we’re basically left with…Molly Tibbets plus a tattoo artist killed by someone “who heard voices.” Personally, I’m not sure I regard tattoo artists as middle class people, but I’ll be generous give you that one. But maybe now it’s clear why poor Mollie Tibbets became such a internationally-famous victim.
Remember, I’m perfectly willing to accept that TEN middle-class whites are probably killed each year by illegals. I’m just saying that you’d probably need to work pretty hard to reach that total.
And I don’t think my standards are too unreasonable. For example, when I looked at the Daily Stormer in the last two days, all the EIGHT cases of whites killed by blacks seemed like pretty middle-class people to me.
Nope. There’s absolutely no indication that the 1,800 killers arrested in 2017 were illegals rather than just foreign-born, i.e. legal immigrants. The problem is that activists get very lazy and to them “illegal immigrant” just means “bad immigrant.”
Right now, 14% of America’s population is foreign-born, of whom about half are still non-citizens. Since we have over 15,000 annual homicides, if this group was “average” in homicidal tendencies, you’d expect it to commit about 2,100 murders. The web page claims that 1,800 “foreign-born killers” were arrested in 2017, which would make the population pretty average. But it also seems to imply that the figure refers only to non-citizens, so there’s some ambiguity. Even if it’s the latter case, I’d really need to know the age-distribution before I could say whether they were heavily over-represented in murders.
Informative, too.
And….hopefully you are correct.
Just another anecdote!
Illegal alien released by Philadelphia mayor went on to rape child
It’s funny how these anecdotes seem to have such bad consequences.
I was behind Mama Mexico in the grocery checkout counter the other day. She had three children – they were all well behaved, happy, and eager to help Mom bag her groceries. Mama bought good food, fresh vegetables and meats (I would like to eat at her house).
So, what is the problem with Mama Mexico and her brood? It is political. All four of them are going to vote for more leftist un-American government. The Jew controlled media will pump them up with a charade of victimhood. The Jews will build hate between them and me. All four of them will vote against my middleclass heritage of freedom and personal responsibility.
It has already happened in California. Thanks to the Latino voters – the balance of political power in California has shifted to the extreme left. The white middleclass with its values (both moderate left and right), that built California into a world class economy – has lost political control.
With most every crossing of our US border by a Latino – this freedom losing process accelerates, for all of America.
Think Peace — Art
p.s. Trump’s Mexican crime and anchor baby arguments are FAKE news.
Hmm… Here’s what I’d seen mentioned in the NYT: “half of all federal arrests are immigration-related”
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/10/immigration-offenses-make-up-a-growing-share-of-federal-arrests/
Here’s one very important possibility to consider. Obviously, there’s a lot of cross-border drug-smuggling, especially by Mexican “mules,” who just go back and forth carrying drugs. Now I’d assume that when any of them are caught, they’re sentenced to federal prison on drug charges, and weapons charges as well if they were armed. So maybe that’s where a substantial portion of the federal inmate population come from.
But they’re not really “immigrants”—they’re Mexican drug smugglers who got caught at the border.
Ron,
As you (and many others here) no doubt recall, over a year ago I wrote an article entitled The Muslim Rape is coming to getcha!… which is largely (though not solely) about a similar sort of narrative in Europe — that attributes an outrageous level of criminality to Muslim refugees, particularly crimes of a sexual nature. They paint a picture of current-day Germany or Sweden, for example, in which white women are being raped all over the place by the… err… Muslim savages, I guess. Publications like Breitbart and VDare are heavily invested in this narrative certainly, as are some of the right-wing racialist bloggers on this very website.
In the article in question, I called this the MRA (Muslim Rape Army) synthetic narrative. Now, my conclusions on this (and my opinion has not changed one iota since) is that this is, just like the story that illegals in the U.S. are raping and murdering all over the place, basically nonsense.
As best I can tell:
There is NO “rape epidemic”, by any reasonable definition, taking place in Germany or Sweden or any other country in Europe.
Now, to be clear, this does not mean that nobody ever gets raped! Obviously, in a country with 80 million people like Germany, there are plenty of cases in a given year, and in turn, some of those rapes (a minority of them) are committed by Muslim migrants. So, a more precise formulation would be:
There is NO “rape epidemic” taking place AND whatever raping that does take place is NOT being done disproportionately by people of Muslim background.
I was already pretty sure of this when I wrote that piece, but every bit of information that I have come across since I wrote that has only reinforced my view on this. For example, consider this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugees-responsible-for-tiny-proportion-of-sex-crimes-in-germany-despite-far-right-claims-following-a6884166.html
The upshot is that the police in Germany are reluctant to break down crime statistics by race but there was a leaked internal report and it reported that there were 1.6 million migrants from the Middle East in Germany, or 2% of the population, and they accounted for about 3.6% of the sex crimes.
Well, granted, on the face of it, that means that they were committing such crimes at a rate 80% higher than their share in the population. However, the above is uncorrected for the fact that the refugees that Merkel let in were disproportionately young males. My best guess is that if you corrected for that, you would see that the migrants were not raping at a higher rate than the existing German population. In any case, for there to be a “rape epidemic” attributable to these people, given that they are only 2% of the population, obviously, their propensity to rape would have to be very many times that of the rest of the population, correct? And that does not seem to be the case.
I came across that data after writing the article, but even before then, I was quite confident in my claim that the whole thing was basically nonsense. Certainly, any serious attempt to verify the MRA narrative was kind of like grasping at air. One ended up seeing that so many of the notorious cases being pushed in the right-wing echo chamber just turn out to be hoaxes. I wasn’t the first person to realize this, of course. There are so many hoax stories related to refugees that a couple of German ladies run a site called hoaxmap.org, which tries to document all of them, and that is quite an undertaking apparently!
Regardless, I came under some very nasty (and often personal) attack for saying what I said in the article.
Well, all of the above is a lead-up for a certain question I feel I need to ask:
Ron, if you believe that all this stuff about the criminality of Hispanic migrants in the U.S. is baseless nonsense, why would you think that broadly similar stories being peddled about Muslims in Europe are particularly different? In the discussion under my MRA article, you sided clearly with the people attacking me. You did not come up with a particularly strong argument, as I recall. Basically, you argued (like the rest of the people attacking me) that whatever stories being told must be true because…. people were telling said stories… Maybe that is a mischaracterization of your “argument”, but I don’t think so. For example, in one comment under that article, you wrote:
That was here: http://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/#comment-1945286
It does not seem to me that your argument there is particularly different from: “I heard this story a lot so the story must be true.” On those grounds, every urban legend out there simply must be true!
Now, here you write:
So, the Silicon Valley execs know that there is no huge Hispanic criminality in California because…. they live in California…
Well, I have a friend here in Spain who is half-German. His mother is German and he grew up speaking German at home. After I wrote that “Muslim Rape Army” piece, this friend became very interested in the topic and started asking the Germans he knew about this horrible rape epidemic. It was summertime and there were parties he went to around here full of Germans. He would broach the topic to people there. Granted, I wasn’t there, but he reported what he found. Results of his inquiries into the Muslim Rape Epidemic, basic summary:
Nobody knew WTF he was talking about!
Isn’t that strange? Well, okay, what do those people know? They just live in Germany, eh? Obviously, there is a Muslim rape epidemic going on all around them and they are blissfully unaware of it, I guess. Just as there is a Hispanic crime wave going on all around you and you are unaware of it…
Well, I should close this message here. I suppose I made my point. There is one last thing I would add, though.
The central point I was getting at in that essay was not actually that the incidents I was referring to were hoaxes, or that there was no Muslim Rape Army. Truth told, I actually just figured that most people with a few brain cells to rub together basically knew that the MRA story was nonsense. (I was wrong on that…) But, regardless, what the essay was really about was the overall milieu in which baseless stories like this can take on a life of their own and it becomes basically impossible to dislodge them. I called this the “Culture of Bullshit”. That is what the essay was really about, this degraded intellectual culture in which people simply repeat these stories that have no basis and there is no way to correct them!
There is no way to tell Sailer or Derbyshire or any of your “ace bloggers” that there is no “Muslim Rape epidemic” going on in Europe, that it’s a hoax. These people and their followers do not care whether the story is true or not. They only care whether it is ideologically useful.
You did not seem to understand that this was the real point of the essay. But perhaps you understood the point and were only affecting that you did not. I honestly have no idea. It is up to you to clarify, if you wish to do so.
Is your position currently that there really is a “Muslim rape epidemic” going on in Germany but similar narratives about illegal hispanics in the U.S., on the other hand, are just nonsense?
You are missing at least two fundamental distinctions:
(1) foreign corporations bring jobs; immigrants take jobs. Yes, immigrants indirectly create jobs by spending some money, but since a lot of the money is sent abroad, they create fewer jobs than a local; moreover, the “add-on” effect is also true for the jobs created by the foreign corporation (whose workers spend money and create additional jobs).
(2) foreign corporations send home a far smaller percentage of revenues. Net profit margins in manufacturing are around 2%; assuming all that is repatriated, only 2% of revenues leave the country. Whereas labor constitutes the largest cost component and immigrants repatriate a far larger share of their income to their home country.
Look at it this way: would you rather have 100 foreign corporations entering the US opening 100 plants employing 100,000 Americans, or have 1 million illegal immigrants entering US taking jobs at cutthroat rates and sending, say, half their money abroad?
If you want the US to become a third world shithole, you’ll pick the latter option.
Rios, Abarca, and Baez. Their first names are not Hispanic. You are changing the goal posts. You can’t say definitely that somebody who is a prostitute is not middle class. If you limit it to only Becky’s with a 5th Avenue apartment worth more than 20 million dollars, of course, there won’t be many. And as I stated I only got to page 7 which was about sometime in May.
Molly Tibbets was not famous because a murder by an illegal was so rare. It was famous due to all the media covered attempts by the family and community to find her. They thought she was just missing and maybe disoriented and would soon show up.
Since we have over 15,000 annual homicides, if this group was “average” in homicidal tendencies, you’d expect it to commit about 2,100 murders.
That 15,000 includes the approximately 7500 committed by the 13% black population. So 73% of the population is responsible for 5700 murders? We don’t know how many black foreigners contribute to the foreigner homicides so there would be a slight difference. So we have 14% of the population comitting 1800 homicides and 73% of the population comitting 5700 homicides. Doesn’t sound too average to me.
Frankly, I’m also pretty surprised and somewhat skeptical. But Wikipedia claims that 48% of Brazilians are “white,” being entirely or mostly European in ancestry
Latin is a language – not a race. Latino refers to those who mostly speak Spanish. Mexico is a country – not a race.
We are being manipulated into “race hate” think and speak – when the problem is between countries and their sovereignty.
Think Peace — Art
What about Latino IQ, which is on average 92?
What about the cost of immigration?
In 2012, 51 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) reported that they used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households. Welfare in this study includes Medicaid and cash, food, and housing programs.
Welfare use is high for both new arrivals and well-established immigrants. Of households headed by immigrants who have been in the country for more than two decades, 48 percent access welfare.
The one you dismissed as drug related seems to be a case of a guy pissed off because his roommates evicted him.
https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2018/11/07/stolen-gun-linked-springfield-murders-luis-perez/1918865002/
Perez, a New Jersey man who recently come to Springfield, got kicked out of a home in the 900 block of East Locust by his roommates.
Police say Starr drove Perez and another man, Aaron D. Anderson, back to the home, where Perez shot and killed two men and injured others.
Police later identified the two deceased men as 38-year-old Steven R. Marler and 23-year-old Aaron J. Hampton.
Police say a day after the double homicide, Perez shot Starr six times in her home in 2100 block of North Oakland Avenue, killing her.
That looks like a three-fer to me.
This is a good article insofar as it focuses attention on the real issues with mass immigration. Conservatives need to understand that the primary problem is not crime, but rather the societal, political, and economic transformation that mass immigration imposes on the US.
I am not entirely clear on how Mr Unz feels about it, but his description of what happened to California is chilling. The doubling of the population and resulting total destruction of the “California dream,” turning the state into the country’s poorest, is *not* a good outcome and most Americans do *not* want the same process to repeat itself on a continental scale.
Moreover, the collapse of the Republican Party in California is certainly ominous for all Republicans and small-government conservatives nationwide, who find the prospect of permanent Democratic rule over the Unites States unacceptable. Again, this is a much bigger issue than Hispanic crime.
Mr Unz’s linked article proposing a “grand bargain” on immigration reform is worth reading. I would agree that conservatives need to aim at permanently reducing the rate of legal immigration, but I think the scale of reduction should be closer to 100%.
I tend to doubt that. Certainly, Jewish groups are extremely powerful in California, and pretty much all the elected officials except maybe for one or two of the most leftist are very pro-Israel. But that’s generally true everywhere else as well.
In fact, isn’t it mostly very conservative white parts of the South that are trying to pass those crazy laws making it illegal to support BDS?
Meanwhile, California certainly has all sorts of serious problems, many of them closely related to immigration, just as I discussed in my article. But racial conflict is just not among them. I can’t remember the last time there was a major racial controversy in the state.
The Legislature is very liberal and does all sorts of crazy things relating to recycling, environmentalism, and trans-gender bathrooms. But I think that’s the same sort of nonsense you find in 95% white Vermont.
There are several factors that make it difficult to perceive what the future will look like. We can reasonably divide these factors into those that will help the US stay the same, even as its demographics change, and those that will make it change to be more like the original countries of its immigrants:
Positive factors:
* Prosperity reduces tensions and crime across all races. If the US stays wealthy enough, we’ll be ok.
* Technology continues to reduce the need for labor and smart middle-men for wealth generation. It may be good enough to simply have enough innovators at the top to preserve national wealth, combined with stronger redistribution for easing class tension.
* We’re getting a blend of immigrants; some of them are not particularly prone to crime (Hispanics), and some are less violent than existing Americans (Asians).
* Birth rates of the least adapted Americans appears to be falling as fast as that of the most adapted. This will delay, and perhaps eliminate, radical dysgenic trends.
* Genetic research may develop moral eugenic techniques, in which case racial stock becomes much less relevant.
Negative risks:
* The lack of any natural selection allows less adapted people to out-procreate more adapted, if their fertility rates increase.
* The previous point, played out worldwide (i.e. Sailer’s most important graph), may cause large increases in refugees into Western countries, even if immigrants residing in the US have low fertility rates.
* Americans have become so tolerant that they are unable to defend themselves against more aggressive cultural values. It would not shock me to see immigrants assert their values on us.
* Assortative mating will likely increase the divide between the haves and have-nots, increasing class (and thus racial) tensions.
* As minorities gain political power (which they are only now beginning to do), they may start to put in policies that reduce prosperity. That is, the peace Unz talks about may simply be momentum that will eventually fail.
* Racial tensions in a multi-racial society are likely to increase if prosperity falls.
* Some of the racial peace-through-prosperity has likely been created via debt, which can not last forever.
I’m sure there are plenty more. It’s impossible to know which factors will play large or small roles, so it’s hard to predict what will happen. Without radical technological advancement, though, I do think Brazil-like, but with more overall wealth, is the most likely outcome.
No, it’s a matter of broader credibility. When you take positions that everyone knows are ridiculously false, you lose your credibility on other things that are difficult to check. So Trump and his friends say absurd things about Hispanic Crime, and therefore the Tech executives tend to disbelieve them when they deny the stories in the New York Times and the rest of MSM that they were involved in some dastardly plot with Russia.
That just isn’t correct. I’d say that something like 60-70% of all the service employees and blue-collar types in Palo Alto and much of the rest of Silicon Valley are Hispanic. Basically, in your office almost everyone is white or Asian, except for your black Diversity manager, and maybe the Hispanic support staff. But whenever you go shopping or get something to eat or go to a movie or get your car fixed or have work done on your home, you’re mostly dealing with Hispanics. Plus the nannies and gardeners, of course.
So a pretty substantial fraction of everyone you’ve encountered in your day-to-day life over the last few years have been immigrant Hispanics, and they all seem like perfectly nice, pleasant people. Then Trump comes along and tells you they’re actually killers and rapists, and you just decide he’s an idiot.
You need to realize that for economic reasons, there are very few working-class whites left in Silicon Valley. So all those sorts of jobs are filled with immigrants, mostly Hispanics.
I spend a lot of time in California desert farmland, and I don’t see any Blacks or Whites (apart from owners on tractors) picking fruits or vegetables in the desert sun and heat. I wasn’t writing about your perceptions of your “youth” but about reality today.
So you are too dim to know even what “Darwin’s Law” means. Not one bit surprised, I have to confess.
> No, it’s a matter of broader credibility. When you take positions that everyone knows are ridiculously false, you lose your credibility on other things that are difficult to check.
I agree with this. The problem is that the actual reasons to push back against immigration are of two basic varieties:
1. HBD. That is, the variability of IQ and other traits related to wealth generation, crime, etc.
2. Multicultural societies, independent of genetic differences, can lead to violence and tension
Point two can generally be defeated by bringing up the various European immigrants in the 20th century, which is, I think a credible argument. But point one, which is refractory, and thus the most critical argument, is not even allowed to be spoken in modern society.
So, if you’d like to argue against immigration, there is nothing credible that you are allowed to say. This is why the right can not logically win the argument in the public sphere, and why they have no choice but to argue ridiculous things. Which, as you point out, is a losing proposition.
What is the solution?
I agree – basically Mexicans and Americans do not see race, when they look at each other. Black and white in America, is an entirely different matter. It is the Jewish media that turns it into a power seeking, shaming put down “race” thing.
The conflict is about the people of one country invading another country and upsetting the balance of political power.
Trump is way off on the crime and anchor baby FAKE political issues – but the invasion problem is real.
Think Peace — Art
Why not crunch the numbers and prove your point instead of whining about someone else not doing it and imputing nefarious motives (which is quite rude actually).
I see horribly bigoted posts about these topics all the time. Usually blaming every single Muslim for the crimes of each Muslim (but of course, each White is utterly blameless for the crimes of other Whites). Often calling for the genocide of Muslims (often couched in such ingenious terms as “turn the Middle East into glass”).
If even those posts survive the censors, and I see them constantly, what must you have written to merit banishment?
By the way, pedophilia is rampant in UK is at the very highest levels. The “Paki gangs” work for the House of Lords, more or less. But folks like you always focus exclusively on the gangs, and never on who covered up for them, and why (always blaming it on some liberal fascination with Muslims – instead of rightly pointing to the fact that the rulers employ these gangs).
Actually, I think I worked out the solution several years ago. Some leading long-time anti-immigration activists told me that they were astonished that after several decades someone had now come up with an entirely new idea. It’s long, but I think you’ll find it quite interesting:
http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/
And a couple of years ago, I developed an additional blue-print for politically implementing this sort of approach:
http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/
I find this crazy … working class whites need jobs as well.
Agree.
I believe many or most of them are Hispanic U.S. immigrants or U.S. citizens/residents, Mr. Unz.
Since Mexican citizens are “only” 12% of the overall/total federal prison population
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2622663 ,
but Hispanics/Latinos are the majority of “enterprise-level”/federal drug offenders
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621043
who comprise almost half of all federal inmates http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2622728 ,
and Hispanics (who don’t self-identify as white http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621516 ) are also 32% of the overall/total federal inmate population https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp .
So, at least half of all Hispanic federal inmates are American citizens/residents, in my opinion, and not Mexican et al. citizens.
Mexican drug cartels, I believe, prefer and mostly recruit “mules” and assassins etc. who have American citizenship or dual American-Mexican citizenship since they can more easily/legally cross the border, etc.
Like these guys, for example:
Mexican drug cartel’s American killers
CNN: American head of Mexican drug cartel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Valdez_Villarreal
Some young Mexican/Hispanic Americans look up to and admire drug traffickers because of all the money they make etc.
From High School Star to Mexican Drug Cartel
%%%They%%% are either smarter, sager, a combination of the thereof, than the others, or epse know some magic charm all the others are in ignorance of.
What explanation would you choose for °°°their°°° narrative control?
When you find out, please let me know.
Remember all the pre-2000 talk about shit hitting the fan? Then nothing happened? Well, maybe it did, but in slow motion. Maybe it was one of those slow turning ceiling fans like the ones they used to have in Chinese restaurants.
“My impression is that most of the Tech execs are rather politically naive, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they vaguely believe all that crazy RussiaGate nonsense.”
So they don’t fake it while just allying themselves with power?
…
Never considered that scenario, but could be.
PHOENIX – WHITE INCOME BRACKETS
In order to completely avoid Cholos you’d have to live in a 6 figure income bracket. Below that, you’ll have enough contact with Mestizos for sudden mindless violence or chaos to erupt. Parking lots, bus stations, hallways of apartment complexes, sidewalks. Usually they are strangers and have no motive.
Whites who get into cocaine are harm’s way especially. If the white is into crystal meth or pills then he is in poor white trailer parks or low-rent neighborhoods. But in the 1990’s cocaine was popular with whites and many of them were put into harm’s way of Mexicans as a result. Especially white women. And many prostitutes use cocaine or heroin. So unsurprisingly, they would become victims.
Most Cholos are not “foreign-born”. They are second or third generation Americans, no different from myself or Donald Trump.
Nowadays (Fed Bureau of Prisons stats as of 2017), fewer than ten percent of federal prisoners are locked up for immigration crimes. Drug crimes still account for early half of all federal prisoners.
You’re right, of course, that violent crimes are almost always prosecuted in state court under state law, not in federal court.
http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/
Well, I’ve seen worse suggestions. Might get more attention if stated more succinctly, and without all the extraneous stuff.
Yes, and this is unaffordable for the rest of us.
Two summers ago, my wife and I met a lovely South American (Latino but not Mexican) couple living in CT. We hit it off. They had three children, wife at home. The husband was proud to tell me that he was working fulltime and “don’t take nothing for free except the healthcare.” Which costs us plenty.
And he didn’t mention that his fed, state, and local taxes couldn’t possibly cover the cost of his three kids attending government schools.
And that’s “one of the good ones.” I liked the guy very much and would have invited them to dinner at our home if we lived there instead of just vacationing. But at this juncture — especially with a massive government debt and oncoming reduction in lower-skilled jobs by increased automation and robotics —my family and my country are not made better off by letting tens of millions more people like this (at best) settle here and become citizens.
I’ve had this discussion with Cuban Hispanics on other websites.
The “white elite” of Latin America look like Al Pacino or Antonio Banderas. They could pass for 25% Indian Mestizos and Iron Eyes Cody and John Turturro were two Italian-Americans who always played Native Americans or Mestizos. Andy Garcia has always played Italian-Americans.
If the ruling elite look like Dolph Lundgren or Roger Moore, they are clearly an alien race and it is a more obvious form of aparthied.
This according to Hispanic posters.
It has been pointed out that even among the pure white elite of Latin America there are distinctionns with Basque being considered superior to Canary Islanders.
The “Latinos” or “Hispanics” of MS-13 or illegal immigration are “Wagon Burner” Red Indians. There is nothing Iberian about them.
To expand on this, working class white kids are excluded from entry-level jobs and thus their entry into the workforce because of the presence of lots of cheap-labor Hispanics.
This is bound to have consequences, and I think the offspring of people who have been here in the US for a long time come first.
In Germany, in the ’30s the economic travails of ordinary Germans allowed a demagogue to rise to prominence and may well do so here in the US.
There is no end of demagogue wannabees in any population. It only takes one to latch onto the most disaffected population …
This is exactly right. It is hard enough in SJW world to focus on illegal immigration. It would not be politically possible to make legal immigration a campaign issue. Our american mythology is “nation of immigrants” for crying out loud… normies simply couldn’t grok what was going on, and Trump would have lost.
Trump did it exactly right, again.
When I was flitting around Arizona and California it was the Oakie kids who seemed to bear the brunt of Hispanics. These were the grandchildren of Oklahoma migrants-most of them claimed Indian blood but were in appearance white.
Their parents were blue-collar people through and through. They had grown up in places like the San Fernando Valley.
Mexicans seem not only to take away their jobs but often physically imperil them.
There’s a whole lot more (((backstory))) to “the economic travails.”
The whole thing is odd because just last year the NYT quoted an ultra-reliable Pew study saying that 50% of federal prosecutions were now for immigration violations:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/10/immigration-offenses-make-up-a-growing-share-of-federal-arrests/
Upthread I suggested a possible way to reconcile the differences, though I don’t know whether my speculation is correct:
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2622763
It would be interesting to know the statistics on use of consumer credit among various ethnic groups, including debt to income ratio and default rates, and their impact on the long term health of the banking system.
It was rude but the other option was to impute he was stupid and this would be even worse for him. He prides himself for his intellect more than his ethics.
But as far his methodology I know what I am talking about. If I had access to the data I would do it correctly. Getting the data was several orders of magnitude harder that doing calculations that he did.
Think about what the Founders of this country had in mind. They never could have foreseen the things we would do. They sure didn’t think anchor babies from some faraway non European land would be something in our future. I believe I read there was a time when only white male land owners could vote. Our country is in a sad state.
Well, in my article I discussed Kevin de Leon. Both his parents were illegals and he’s said that many of his other relative and family members fall into that same category. As president of the CA State Senate, he’s always been considered one of CA’s top Hispanic elected officials and if his challenge to Dianne Feinstein had succeeded, he’d have certainly become the leading Hispanic in America. But his first name is “Kevin” so maybe he’s not really Hispanic.
I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree about this. I don’t consider street prostitutes “middle class” people, especially if they’re also described by the newspapers as being “homeless,” but I guess you do.
White female middle-class victims.
Becky was in my dorm. I met her when she was 18. A Freshman. She was a normal girl. Sometime in the next year, she was introduced to cocaine by some Yuppie frat guys at a Fraternity Party.
You meet girls like this at college. They come as freshman who were normal nice girls in high school and try cocaine and become coke whores.
In Becky’s case, she quickly realized the source of cocaine was Hispanics. She eventually dropped out of college and I later heard she was arrested with some Cholos in a stolen car in Texas. She simply drifted into the cocaine scene.
Kathleen was a rich local girl whose father owned a gas company. She was only 12 when she began using cocaine. For some period of time, her allowance paid for it.
Then crack cocaine hit Michigan in the late eighties and in order to have a source for it, she became increasingly involved with blacks.
One night, aged 15, she got so high on crack that after having group sex with her the blacks she was with simply dumped her nude and in a crack-induced seizure out in the middle of a suburban road where she rolled around naked.
Blacks also burglarized her house.
Dana was a reformed crack whore. She met some older guy while working as a stripper and married him and he left her with enough money to get into real estate. I rented a unit from her. At that time she was in her 30’s and perfectly normal. She had not smoked crack in years.
But she told me about her experiences as a crack whore. Gang rapes by blacks. Forced Lesbian sex in prison when she was jailed for possession. And so on.
Once a white woman gets into cocaine, she will be eventually gang-raped and pimped or preyed upon by Mexicans or blacks.
If she gets hooked on meth, this is different. Meth is a white trash drug and Hispanics and blacks don’t supply it.
> Actually, I think I worked out the solution several years ago
Very interesting article — thanks!
I have to think some of this over, as you’re looking at the problem in a way that I had not.
Some immediate objections come to mind. For example, progressives will object over the disparate impact; that any improvement in our workers’ quality of life will only increase the demand to emigrate to the US (esp. in light of booming African population); that the left will likely propose government welfare for immigrants rendered jobless (I believe Germany and Sweden do this for their refugees, which is similar-but-different).
Having said that, I think the idea of shaping demographics organically is a more effective and realistic approach — not to mention more humane. I would rather make the US a place that only people who deeply share its values will want to live, than to simply kick certain types of people out. But it’s difficult to get it right. Perhaps the carrot and stick can both be used.
I just don’t really see many of them getting past the progressive voters, but perhaps I read too much Reddit, and put too much credence in what people write there.
I’m guessing those are probably overwhelmingly “Catch and release” cases, who never get send into the federal prison system, but merely into the federal immigration detention system:
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release_(immigration)#Under_George_W._Bush
Fact Check: A short history of ‘catch and release’
Well, it’s certainly possible, but like I said, I’d need to know more facts first…
Basically, a couple of guys murdered their former roommates supposedly because “they had to go” since “they knew too much.”
The gun was supplied to the killer by the (current) girlfriend of one of the dead males, allegedly in exchange for a heavy tattoo job, and he later used it to shoot her dead as well. She was covered with tattoos and posted lots of photos to social media showing her posing with the guy to whom she gave the gun, who then killed her boyfriend, and afterward her as well:
http://thedailyhaze.com/sabrina-starr-aaron-hampton-luis-perez/
With all the guns and tattoos floating around in that close circle of (former) friends, as well as the claimed motive, I’d really suspect they’d all been involved together in drug-dealing or other illegal activity, and got into a dispute over something, maybe over whose tattoos looked nicer. The whole thing only happened very recently, so the facts should eventually come out at trial.
Anyway, it certainly doesn’t sound like the case of a middle-aged white CPA walking down the street who gets killed in a street robbery by a total stranger.
Peter, when I first found Unz you were posting regularly and I recall enjoying your articles.
You did censor my comments because I talked about Jews though. They were in no way threatening and I don’t see how they could have broke any laws even Canadian ones.
To now say that you censored with a light touch, only censoring extremist comments is a flat out lie. No one else here at Unz censors comments and I applaud Unz for giving you the boot.
If you want to be a mainstream writer, write for the Huffington Post. If you want to write for the leading alternative news source be prepared to defend your position or shut up and go home.
@Unz.
I don’t respect Frost, but he does bring up a good point.
The immigration question should not be boiled down to homicides or even violence. There are perfectly good reasons Americans should not want more immigrants besides this one issue.
1) There are more young men immigrating than women. This effects society in profound ways that should not be discounted.
2) While we should not accept any immigrants from any society, I am especially wary of bringing in more Latinos. Not because of violence, but because of their proclivity for socialism. Failed Latin societies failed because they were socialist and there was no incentive to be productive. Why do we think they will not think the same way when they come to America?
3) Our elites are bringing in immigrants for a purpose. They are purposely bringing them in to divide and conquer. Why should we help our elites?
4) Our socialist society brings out the worst in immigrants. In the past it was sink or swim. America could handle immigrants because to fail literally meant death. So we attracted and molded productive people. Our current society encourages bad habits in our immigrants. So they will not be encouraged to be productive citizens.
5) We are entering into an age of automation where high IQ people will get by fine, but what will we do with moderate to low IQ people already in America? Why should we want more migrants whom technology is making irrevelent?
Just saw this:
ICE Appears To End Use Of Federal Prisons For Immigrant Detainees
October 20, 2018
– https://www.npr.org/2018/10/20/658988420/ice-appears-to-end-use-of-federal-prisons-for-immigrant-detainees
From 1996 to 1998, the number of immigrants in detention increased from 8,500 to 16,000[3] and by 2008 this number increased to more than 30,000.[4][5] According to the Global Detention Project, the United States possesses the largest immigration detention system in the world.[6] – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States
Well, I’d tend to disagree.
All the data was publicly available on government websites. The FBI website had the crime data and the Census website had the demographics. I got someone to download and put it into a spreadsheet for me, which only took him a few hours. Then I spent a day or two putting together all the different cases and correlations in my calculation spreadsheet, and looking around for all the interesting things I found, plus producing the graphs.
To the best of my knowledge, no one in the academic world had ever done these simple calculations before.
I’m sure the data is still up on those various government websites, so you can certainly go ahead and analyze the data yourself if you’d like, using the much more complex methodology you prefer.
The nice thing about using simple correlations is that most people (vaguely) know what they are and can understand what they mean. That’s not the case with your extremely complex curve-fitting procedure.
Anyway, I doubt very much you’ll find anything interesting. The problem, which I described upthread, is that the black correlation is so enormously large, it would tend to mask anything you could sift out with regard to the Hispanic or white correlations.
But I seem to recall you spent an *enormous* amount of time on the 9/11 comment-thread arguing about the supposed blast-ratio of the stolen Russian nuclear missile that you thought may have been used to destroy the World Trade Center, or something like that. So it’s clear that you’re someone with plenty of time on your hands…
Middle-aged CPA’s walking down the street are more likely to be targeted because the perpetrator tends to assume he has some money on him and an expensive watch and perhaps a nice car parked where he is walking.
If you see a scuzzy looking white coming out of a tattoo parlor in the bad part of town, the perpetrator assumes that he might be armed with a blade and has no money.
The Outlaws and other MC always had their clubhouses in the Detroit ghetto. Their bikes were never stolen and they were never robbed. Why?
Because they are physically dangerous. So their clubhouses go unmolested.
1. There are more young men than women immigrating. This has always been the case in Latin America and the reason for the existence of the Mestizo to begin with-concubinage, orphans, a ruling elite who imported women from Spain, a few prostitutes deported.
2. Latinos are seem less able to integrate than any other group-Muslims, Asians, Slavs. Proximity makes integration irrelevant since they believe that Arizona is in Mexico anyhow. A Muslim has crossed an ocean and knows he is in a foreign country.
3. Events in France reflect what happens to Jews when this happens.
4. The US is not that socialist compared to Canada or Sweden.
5. Underground economies, of course. Drug dealing. Prostitution (Until sex robots replace this market). Theft. Gambling. Fencing. Extortion.
Normally I’m with you, Mr. Unz, but come on: “Dr. Sims, the well-known gynecologist, lived his entire life as a man, strongly suggesting that his entire knowledge of that complex subject came from secondary sources.”
Thanks Rurik, I thought I was correct on it. I have been aware of ADL+IDF+Israeli Training of usa cops etc for a long time now. But others may not be so its always good for us to repeat it now and then.
I agree 100% all you said on TV and Hollywood constant bashing of White males, and always promoting Negroes and Mexicans as Heros, Leaders, Boss’ over White man. With an real Euro White actor to paly the role of a total idiotic Buffoon and Lunatic. Yet most all other “white male” actors get played by some Hollywood JewBoy. Jewboy”whitey” gets the Blonde Buxom Babe whos also usually played by a real Euro White Woman. Of course, since Our White babes rise above most non white females. Too bad so many whitey females today are so daffy brainwashed and dumbed down.
I cannot count the number of Detroit area White women I have met or known when I still lived there, who hooked up with a Darkieboy….Only to later hugely regret it..That’s those who remained alive after relationships with a savage…Many tell horror stories that will blow your mind as to the terrible treatment they got from those savage ape boy friends…And once they go black or brown, NO real white guy wants anything at all to do with them women any more.
I can just picture when I was younger, and Mom still alive, how she’d react if I ever showed up at her home with some white bitch and her two Beige or Tan chillins in tow!!!!….My Mom would not even remain polite when advising me to scram and get them half breeds Out of her home asap fast.
I cannot blame her either….Of course she had zero to worry of as I’d never consider to hook up with such goofy white females. Once they go Black they cannot come back!
Anyways, Thanks again for replying and answering me Rurik, it is swell to have guys like you posting here, as you are a wealth of good info…Them Guys
Moreover, why has the same genetic substrate that produces the bulk of California immigrants generated some of the highest violent crime rates in the world? El Salvador tops the list, with a warlike murder rate of 82/100,000. By contrast, the murder rate for the entire state of Michigan, which includes grizzly kill zones like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Battle Creek and Benton Harbor, is just 5.7/100,000. Anywhere south of the 43rd parallel in Michigan, I can drive 30 minutes and have the average person in a neighborhood that they would not let me drop them off in for $100 cash. Bad neighborhoods in Michigan are real bad. They’re also real common.
What does that say about the really bad areas of a country with only a slightly smaller population and a murder rate 15 times as large? Good schools? Nice parks?
I don’t think the case needs to be rehashed at length here as to exactly how violent much of Mexico and Central America is. But five of the 10 most murderous cities in the world are located in Mexico.
Perhaps Mr. Unz would have us believe that these are unfortunate accidents of geography. But the far more convincing story is that these islands of horror adrift in a sea of indolent banality are the end result of a genome left to its fate.
The Tijuanification experiment has been run before, ad nauseum, as the piles of rotting bodies will attest. That labor there might be cheap and drugs good doesn’t change the fact that most whites would find those environs intolerable. The burden of proof, then, would seem to be on the person claiming that Tijuanification won’t, at last, lead to its usual spectrum of dire states.
[If you want your comments published, you should make a serious effort to improve your capitalization, punctuation, and grammar, while providing substantive information that’s generally on topic.]
Ok but as far as when we used odd vs even Lic Plates to be allowed to buy gas and only a 10 gal limit each time…I had a One year Old, 1977 Dodge Pick Up truck then..Sooo, maybe it wasn’t the arab opec embargo that caused it that time I spoke of…But I am correct it was not 1973 Israel war caused it.
Nobody could buy a brand new 1977 dodge pick up prior to 1977. And it was then my Only vehicle, so I know it was about 1978 we did that odd vs even lic plate thing to buy gas every Other day only.
You can thank Planned Parenthood and the death penalty for the relatively low murder rate in the U.S. and blame the Catholic Church and their anti-abortion and anti-birth control rhetoric and policies for the violence in Mexico and Central America:
Source: http://www.unz.com/jpetras/how-billionaires-become-billionaires/#comment-2034028
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#Americas_2 and http://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2056086
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_El_Salvador
The Effects of ‘Youth Bulge’ on Civil Conflicts
Between 1970 and 1999, 80 percent of civil conflicts occurred in countries where 60 percent of the population or more were under the age of thirty, according to the PAI report. – http://archive.is/rSug7
El Salvador Population pyramid 2016
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_El_Salvador
There is also the criminal association. I knew one college girl who was in an interracial relationship who was living with a black whose house was raided and they found a kilo of cocaine and a pound of pot.
This was 1996 and she would have just gotten out of jail. She was not dealing, but was aware that he was. But not to what extent. That’s it…she was in jail for 20 years. All for some college fling.
I also knew a college girl who got into coke and was pulled over in a stolen vehicle with some Hispanics. She went to jail.
Have you mentioned that to the Mexicans?
They call restricting immigration from Mexico “racist.”
WHAAAT? You haven’t mentioned that to the Mexicans??
We’re truly SHOCKED!
🙂
The Ohio family was not murdered by a cartel:
Nearly three years after ‘execution-style’ killing of family, four charged with murder, police say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2018/11/13/four-arrested-execution-style-shootings-eight-family-members/
Gold quote for mine:
However, although Trump had reached the presidency by advocating a radical populist-nationalist agenda, he has hardly governed in those terms. For his first two years in office, he sunk nearly all his political capital into enacting huge tax cuts for the rich, wholesale Wall Street deregulation, large increases in military spending, and an extremely pro-Israel foreign policy—exactly the sort of policies near-and-dear to the establishment conservative candidates whom he had crushed in the Republican primaries. Meanwhile, his jilted grassroots supporters have had to settle for some radical rhetoric and a regular barrage of outrageous Tweets rather than anything more substantive. With Republicans in full control of Congress, finding excuses for this widespread betrayal was quite difficult, but now that the Democrats have taken the House, Trump’s apologists can more easily shift the blame over to them.
Got blacks?
I think you missed the knowledge boat. Btw %%%they%%% refers to the elite 1%, the majority of whom are card carrying members of a certain tribalistic cult.
And that cult considers the talmud ABOVE the torah which isn’t what moses preached. So get off your high horse. No one is targeting regular folks here, be they of any tribe/sect/cult etc
I appreciate your policy suggestions, but the problem is the following:
1.) If we look at Trump, what you see is anti-immigration rhetoric, not actual laws or policies. Further, where we see policies, it is stuff like family separations or other forms of symbolic sadism directed a the “invader enemy”, not something practical like everify, which would cost business interests money and would not result in media coverage of some Honduran peon being mobbed by 4 border guards.
2.) Conclusion: Immigration hawks, at least those elected to public office, are more interested in virtue signalling to their base than actual putting into effect public policies.
3.) “The Left”: The “Left” likewise is more interested in virtue signalling that they are good people who love immigrants and all brown people, and are dependent on corporate donations, meaning that they are more than happy to preside over the feudalization of the American economy so long as they get to be in charge. Their “equity” measures involve taxing middle class workers to provide for non-workers and underpaid peasants, while letting their donors (who earn more in capital gains than wages) pay pennies on the dollar in taxes.
4.) Conclusion: The “Left”, at least those elected to public office, are more interested in virtue signalling to their base than actually putting into effect public policies, at least policies intended to benefit American works and the American middle class.
5.) The Solution: The Solution, if it comes, will not come from elected officials, but from some version of a MARS-led General Strike. This is another way of saying it won’t happen, but when it does, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. (“Be realistic, demand the impossible.”) Further, it will not consist in a balanced and moderate compromise between competing political interests.
How demagogue ?
Under Hitler Schacht reduced German unemployment in the period 1933 until 1936 from six to one million, on a total population of some 44 million.
Demagogue FDR came to power in 1933, with his hogwash New Deal.
In 1938 USA unemployment was about the same as in 1933.
Ever read Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath ?
When one sees and hears a high Swedish police official state on Swedish tv that women and girls should stay at home when it is dark, am I to assume there is something wrong with their night vision ?
” The nationalism of the 19th and early 20th centuries led to the globalism of the 21st century. ”
I’d say ‘the propaganda that succeeded in blaming German nationalism for two world wars and the holocaust was effectively used to promote the idea of globalism, the EU being the concrete result’.
Great Britain engineered WWI, it could not compete economically with the Germany united by the French attack of 1870.
Versailles was meant to destroy three empires forever, the German, the Austrian Hungarian and the Ottoman.
Austria Hungary indeed disappeared, Atatürk saved Turkey from the ruins of the Ottoman empire, Hitler resurrected Germany.
The British problem of not being able to compete with Germany was back, AND, in the USA someone called Bernard Baruch, comparable to Soros, wanted world domination.
As before 1914, Britain saw no other solution than war, the guarantees, as in WWI the USA politicians were anti German.
When WWII was over: never again, thus globalism, that is: world domination by the USA.
We now live in the period where many over the whole world understand that globalism is the world wide competition of anyone with anyone, and understand that just the nation state can protect its citizens.
On the European continent this has led to the situation that those in power want more EU, destruction not only of the nation states, but also, through mass immigration, of the cultures of the nation states.
Until Trump: the EU just a USA vassal state.
But many in the EU member states not in power, in the last French presidential elections four out of ten votes, want to get rid of the EU.
Anti EU political parties appearing all over the place: Germany, France, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Hungary, Poland, Austria
Britain decided to leave, the British want their country back.
Keynes already in 1921 stated that ideas are the most powerful in the world.
I’d add ‘even if these ideas are nonsensical, such as that nation states are wrong’.
That is the kind of backstory I referred to.
I think we have different definitions of “experience with hispanics”. Getting your hedge trimmed and your mission burrito made by hispanics hardly constitutes experience in my view.
This “experience” isn’t much different than what Northeastern racial liberals had with black domestics a half century ago.
Experience to me would constitute living and working with them.
Silicon Valley is also hardly the only part of the country where hispanic workers have displaced blue collar white (and black) workers. My non-California family witnessed hispanic gardeners replace black ones twenty years ago.
To be sure, there are far better arguments for targeting highly “educated”, high income workers in affluent metropolitan areas. Net tax burdens for instance.
The USA did not steal California in a war. We bought it and made everyone North of the new border citizens no question asked. We also recognized the former Mexicans land deeds. No one stole anything.
In Texas they had a revolution because after inviting white people to become citizens in Texas the Mexican government disolved Texas’ 2 parliament seats because whites who became the overwhelming majority population of Texas elected 2 whites to the parliment. A law was passed at the same time they disolved the seats banning whites from serving in the Mexican parliment. This happened at a time that Texas was sending more taxes to the capitol than all other Mexican states combined. Taxation without representation is a fine reason for a revolution. This is a dishonest article. Not mentioning that Mestizo’s are counted as white when it comes to crime and then claiming they don’ t commit crime more than whites is dishonest.
Unz is just another anti white jew. This sight is just another case of jews trying to control both sides of every debate.
Mestizos most definitely supply the Meth in California
Well, I never saw or heard that, I have to admit. Do you have a link? What is the name of the official? In what context did he say that? Granted, if no police official ever said any such thing, it would be proof as well, I suppose, because… “Look, see how they are all covering up the problem!”
Regardless of that, is this your best evidence that there is a rape epidemic going on? Or do you have some other “proof” that you are holding back in reserve?
Well, maybe. Maybe there are women being raped all over the place but nobody can see it because they lack the appropriate infra-red night vision optics.
Well, anyway, Jilles, I have the impression that you are Dutch and that you live in the Netherlands. There are plenty of foreigners of all sorts there but, for some reason we never hear much about Holland. Most of the narrative focuses on Sweden and Germany. But, since you live there, you can tell us, I suppose.
Is there a rape epidemic going on in Holland?
If the liar jew media did not cover for the Mestizo’s you could not make these claims. Mestizo’s are hostile to any white who is not their boss. I live here and work with them both as co-workers and as my customers. In both cases they are openly anti white. Your tribe is conditioning them to kill us and a look at the prison population where they don’t get to classify them as white proves it.
You are just another lying jew.
Mr Unz,
I much appreciate the reply, but find the account difficult to impossible to believe.
Not wanting to repeat myself, but do you truly believe that an endless supply of weapons exists in rubbbish bins across the U.S.A. ?
As said in my earlier post, even if they are relatively cheap in the U.S.A., good firearms are not that cheap, I do not believe that that killer (and as you said, with a very troubled past) randomly found a good quality firearm in a rubbish bin, and killed by accident.
My earlier post was better, you may re-read it.
In any case, appreciate the reply.
Proving that there are exceptions to every rule, Ron is grotesquely wrong on this subject. My question is, “Why?”
I have pointed out here before Californians net worth based on illegal immigration (and legal immigration). It’s a giant game of musical chairs. Stop the growth (music) and whomever hasn’t already cashed their chips (grabbed a chair) loses. So let the music play until I cash out and move to Denver or Dallas dammit!
But I don’t think that’s Ron’s blindness. Ron is independently wealthy and his mega-millions mansion in Atherton isn’t his nest egg. And based on news reports, he definitely doesn’t have a Mexican housekeeper unless she’s blind, armless, and thinks clutter attractive. So what is it that prevents Ron from seeing the damage caused by illegal invasion (concomitant with offshoring manufacturing)?
I suspect two factors. Ron lives far from the dysfunctional mess so he doesn’t see it. He’s not lounging in East LA, let alone Nashville or Columbus or Flint. He lives in a bubble of incredible wealth and most likely would change his tune if forced to spend a year in my world. Secondly, the invaders pose zero threat to Ron. They aren’t developing software for Wall Street. They aren’t attending Harvard or Stanford, aren’t becoming physicists, and will never occupy the walled estate next door to Ron’s palatial estate. Ron in his Ivory Tower, you see, can afford to be completely “objective” about the invasion of our nation by illiterate low-IQ mesoamericans, Africans, and South Asians. I’ll even add a third, perhaps most important factor, Ron (to my knowledge) has no kids. He has no skin in the game. Why should he care what happens in Grand Rapids or Toledo in 40 years? His eulogy will say, “Ron was an honest, principled, and objective guy. He did what he thought was correct and damn the consequences.” It won’t say, “Ron cared first and foremost for American kids, that tiny global minority of mostly white kids in the only place on the planet with free speech and enshrined rights to self-defense and government frightened of the people. Let the others eat cake” which is what I want my own eulogy to say.
Taking principled objective stands is what Ron does. But he’s got a blind spot big enough for his Bentley Bentayga to disappear. We are here and everything we do must be for the purpose of our children – not the kids of aliens. And if you haven’t been immersed in barrio/ghetto culture, you really don’t know the true nature thereof either quantitatively or qualitatively. The problems of others, in far off towns in distant states, may not be your problem today but if they’re not checked will become your problem eventually.
I’ve been everywhere in America and by far the best places are those inhabited and managed by non-Puritan whites. The more Africans or Indians or Hinpoo Indians, the more dysfunctional it gets whether reflected by crime stats or not. I’ve been all over Central America and love the people and culture, in some ways superior to our own. But I spent a decade in South Florida and had daily reminders that when you mix the two together you’re more likely to see the worst of each than the best. Inflicting this on our kids, on my kids, along with an unpayable debt, is evil.
” Do you have a link? What is the name of the official? In what context did he say that? ”
I was tv, television, you must have heard of it, it exists already some time.
The name, sorry, not in the habit of taking notes when watching tv.
But context I can answer, Swedish citizens patrolling at night, as one of them said ‘we want our streets back’.
Rape epidemic in the Netherlands, no.
How are you coming up with that nonsical idea?
Of course, ‘African-American’ perps do it at times, part of the BLM bullshit.
You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a liar.
From the WSJ today:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/its-a-crisis-of-civilization-in-mexico-250-000-dead-37-400-missing-1542213374?mod=hp_lead_pos8
Also,
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/03/31/the-worlds-most-dangerous-cities
Ron needs to take off his blinders on Latin American migration. Immigrants bring with them their cultural baggage. The culture, which is a direct function of the average IQ, is the #1 factor behind all the violence in these societies, not the government.
Okay, so, somebody said something on the TeeVee and that is your proof of the rape epidemic.
In Sweden…
That’s interesting. No Muslim rape epidemic in Holland, eh? Why not? After all, Holland is about 5% Muslim, the same as Germany or Sweden. Why aren’t the Muslims there raping women all over the place? Are the Dutch women too ugly? Or maybe there is no need to rape them because they are so easy???
But then again, how do you know that there is no rape epidemic going on? Okay, nobody is talking about it, but maybe there is a rape epidemic going on and nobody is talking about it because the authorities are determined to cover it up.
Now, okay, I’m inferring that you are pretty sure that if there really was a rape epidemic going on in your country, you would know about it, right? Now, let’s look at things this way…. Suppose Breitbart and and Paul Joseph Watson and Steve Sailer and the rest of them start saying tomorrow that there is a Muslim rape epidemic going on in Holland. How would you react to that?
Granted, none of those people live in Holland, as you do, but they know better than you. How would you go about convincing them that there is no rape epidemic going on?
Only because of the phrase “or something like that” you avoided making a false statement. But you are right that I have extra time. I could spend it better than pointing out the nonsense of nukes at WTC hypothesis or making objections to your methodology.
Well, suppose you’re an ordinary middle-class white guy and for the last ten years 70% of all the working-class people whom you’ve encountered in your daily life have been Hispanic. Would you have acquired a deep understanding into the philosophical underpinnings of the Hispanic world-view? Maybe not. But if Trump tells you that they’re “rapists and killers” planning to slaughter your family, you’d probably be a little skeptical…
I am not suggesting that any of the other factors that we discuss at these sites are not operating. They are. It’s just that they may not be immediate concerns to the marginal voter.
Trump needs a House minority leader that will work with the Democrats on fixing ObamaCare. That is, lower premiums, better coverage, portability and including pre-existing conditions. Basically, fixing all the things Democrats added to screw people. This means no Kevin McCarthy. He is Ryan clone.
Focusing the House on healthcare will take the wind out of the sails of whatever investigations the House wants to pursue and it will end the gridlock while doing the people’s business. Imagine Trump responding to every Pelosi tweet about this, that or the other with “Get back to work on that Healthcare bill.” Meanwhile, the House minority leadership also actively crafts this bill and submits proposals to the President to comment about on twitter.
If conservatives shout back and ask “how do we pay for this” then the answer is simple: economic growth. As we become wealthier, services like healthcare become easier to afford. This allows Trump to focus his efforts on what is truly his biggest enemy: The Federal Reserve. The Fed has now actively telegraphed its intentions to raise the federal fund rate until it crashes the economy. Trump must actively talk about this on twitter: “Oh look, the Fed is making announcements. Watch it crash the market like Powell did on October 3, 2018.”
Remember, Trump wanted to replace ObamaCare with something better, not just go back to what we had before.
Instead of responding to so many individual commenters, I’ll just provide some additional general remarks…
First, I think all of us can agree that in 2016 Trump made sharp opposition to immigration/Hispanics one of his central themes, both in the primaries and the general election. From everything I’ve read, it brought in huge white support in states like West Virginia and Alabama, which have almost no Hispanics/immigrants, but fell completely flat among the white voters in the states with the most Hispanics/immigrants. Maybe that’s partly because the former populations got all their information from FoxNews and Breitbart rather than from the real world.
Suppose someone were running for president on a strongly anti-black platform and did extremely well with the white voters of Vermont and North Dakota, but got very little support from whites in Missippi and South Carolina. What might that tell you?
I just checked, and in 2016 Trump got less than 20%(!!!) of the vote in Santa Clara+San Mateo counties, which comprise “Silicon Valley.” He lost to Hillary Clinton by about 55 points(!!!). For reasons of age and citizenship-status, whites were probably a strong majority of those voters, and I’d think they voted against Trump by roughly similar margins. And although some of the million or so whites living in Silicon Valley are extremely wealthy, the vast majority are just middle-class or upper-middle-class.
If you want to believe I’m totally irrational and delusional in my views about Hispanics/immigrants, you have every right to do so. But my views are held by an absolutely overwhelming majority of all the million-odd whites living in my region, and to a very large extent the 15 million whites living in California.
Maybe everyone’s just totally delusional. Maybe the space-aliens from Pluto hypnotized them.
Here’s a very notable local incident that strongly supports my perspective. For many years there’s been a local trailer-park in Palo Alto filled with poor Latino immigrants. When there was an effort to close it down and build luxury housing, it triggered a popular crusade by Palo Alto residents which produced five years of legal battles. Ultimately, they persuaded local politicians to pay tens of millions of dollars to buy the trailer-park so that the poor Latino immigrants could continue to live there.
In effect, Palo Alto spent tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to KEEP low-income housing for poor Latino immigrants in their city. I discussed some of the details in some lengthy comments a couple of years ago:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/george-lucas-strikes-back-against-marin-county/#comment-926017
From a political perspective, however, it makes a great deal of sense.
Trying to convince ordinary voters that all those legal immigrants are the real problem is going to be much harder than telling them that illegals are a big problem.
Unless, that is, you want to go down the nativist path, but then there will be screams of racism from the usual suspects. Of course, the usual suspects have called Trump a racist anyway, but it would be worse if he went down the nativist path.
In addition, illegals do represent a large health problem because they are bringing in all sorts of diseases we have either not seen before or which we thought we had under control.
Stockholm syndrome?
The White people that support this influx do not have to live with poor Latinos. Their neighborhoods have not been destroyed by poor Latinos. Their kids don’t go to school with poor Latinos. They are voting on behalf of causing problems for someone else…which is very easy to do.
How many White people have left California because they don’t want to deal with the problems Latinos cause…like high taxes and expensive property?
Since they like these people so much, the solution is to charge heavy taxes on each individual H1B they import and redirect the funds to fix the problem that they cause. A nice 50% annual fee on the salary of the H1B should raise enough money.
What swung the election in favor of House Democrats was healthcare.
Thanks for links. I’ve never understood the strong opposition to abortion on the dissident right.
No doubt, but you yourself cited the power of the media (and now tech) previously. What does the typical person, or better yet liberal, think of the criminal proclivities of blacks?
Away from the criminal front, you get a lot of total nonsense from people about hispanics about how they “work hard”, have “strong family values”, and better yet are even “natural conservatives”.
Without close experience with other people (or a very inquiring and analytical mind with a finely honed bullshit detector), your views about them will be superficial, shallow, and influenced strongly by the media.
By way of my own experience, I’ve learned a lot about the white working class as a result of moving to such a community and employing them. Some things were as I expected, others not so much. And there were many discoveries that simply shocked me as I had no idea people could live like that (my background is upper class white).
I propose we meme Trump into A:B testing this. Let’s see if we can get him to Tweet about black crime and see what the response is in Silicon Valley. Perhaps you have some connections with Peter Thiel you can employ.
My prediction is there will be no major difference in response, except that outrage will be greater since hispanics aren’t sacralized in the same way.
She walked past him along the long narrow pier, and Steinle was more than 90 feet away when she was hit in the back. The gun barrel, the mark on the pavement and Stenie’s back were all more or less lined up in a vertical plane when the gun fired. If he had deliberately fired the gun it would be equivalent to playing Russian roulette with an unwitting bystander. Merely discharging a bullet into the ground from where it would be likely to to bounce up in her very approximate direction would have hardly sustained a trial for attempted murder if she had not been hit. But given that we know the barrel of the gun was aligned along the pier in her direction in a vertical plane when it fired, because she was hit. The crucial issue was whether the gun went off because he intended to bounce a bullet along the pier knowing she was in that direction. The jury were allowed to consider a verdict of first degree murder, so there was a case to answer for that.
Extremely informative article, Mr. Unz. I need to remind myself to check out from isteve and read non-blurb some more regularly…
It’s a lot to absorb, but the overriding point I’m noticing-and that I agree with-is that America’s changed demographics are what they are. It doesn’t matter what one thinks about, it is there, and it isn’t changing. It’s much better for a novel political movement actually aiming to correct America’s problems to go forward with that and look toward changing the future rather than hankering over ideological racial fantasies. Ideologically, it wouldn’t be hard with the right people and circumstances, given how utterly rotten both of America’s political parties have become, but practically…
(And that massive ethno-sectarian conflagrations are, like, a bad thing.)
I personally think that if we’re going to end up as some neo-Brazil eventually as a nation, it’ll be rooted a lot more in the self-serving, short-sighted gentry/donor-class oriented politics that have dominated the country for at least my entire life. Uncontrolled immigration influxes-especially of the unskilled variant-are a major sub-component in that. That’s bad enough. The inability of the legacy declassed Americans to make common cause with the assimilated yet often screwed over is a major factor in why this is going on unabated.
We had a “grand bargain” in 1986. How did that work out?
You’re on the right track. Jews control the economy in America via the Fed. They also control the narrative of sociopolitical issues with their media dominance and legal positions (Supreme and Appeals Courts.) Each candidate for U.S. political office must signify their support for Israel–indeed, they appear at the Wailing Wall, or genuflect to Jews at AIPAC Rallies. Just ask ex-congressional members about these requirements. Better yet, view a few AIPAC meetings to witness these politicians selling their goyim constituents down the River Jordan.
Palo Alto is well-policed and can easily accomodate a latino trailer park to house its custodial help. They do not compete with the Palo Altans for jobs or educational and medical resources. Besides, who wants to deal with tradesmen and service workers who can ask you in your own language if you caught the game last night? Like they’re your citizen-equals or something.
And fobbing this off on the municipality in a town full of multi-millionaires and one or more billionaires. Dear God, that is priceless. It’s amazing how libertarians just fall to pieces over activist government when the issue is immigration.
Absolutely. I live in a neighborhood comprised of Hispanics, and on most weekends it sounds like Beer Night in Beirut. When a pizza is delivered on our street, the driver draws Combat Pay. I am now at the point where I can identify the make of the car that leaves circles of tire rubber on each corner. We have two pigeons in our rafters building their nest out of Kevlar. I’m not kidding! These elitists who somehow can discern the Hispanic environment from afar would quickly change their tune when they witness stolen vehicles being burned from their living room windows.
But the inverse is also true: Whites far removed from black ghettos, from what I’ve read and personally witnessed, are the least likely to be concerned with the grave dysfunction and violence of blacks, to the point of thinking, speaking and voting in ways wholly inconsistent with reality. That this same cohort is hypersensitive, as you claim, to mild Hispanic dysfunction while being all but inoculated against the unlivable chaos unleashed by blacks suggests poor calibration. Maybe they just need a little contact theory to enrich their lives.
But it also may be that these groups are primarily concerned with what affects them as a result of Hispanic mass immigration, like the fact that all Hispanics are roughly $7,000 per-capita yearly net tax liabilities or the fact that the endgame of an open-floodgates policy towards Latin America is necessarily Latin American healthcare.
As with other experiments of the type “let Amerindians create society X, Y times”, there are wide variations. But in the flagship Amerindian healthcare system, that of Mexico, anyone presenting at the ER with, for example, a ruptured appendix without also presenting a lump-sum cash payment in the thousands or ironclad proof of insurance is likely to be sent into the alley to let peritonitis work its agonal course.
Blacks chaos isn’t going to bring that future to West Virginians. But letting in half of New Spain’s lost children will.
This is basically what is happening in East Germany with the anti-immigration party AfD. East Germany has relatively few immigrants and foreigners, with the exception of Berlin, of course, but the AfD is very strong and popular in East Germany.
Are these people and a person like Thilo Sarrazin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thilo_Sarrazin , a long-time Social Democrat, wrong?
I don’t believe so.
Argumentum ad populum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Many older East Germans believe West Germans are delusional and brainwashed, and they claim that the pro-immigrant/immigration propaganda from German politicians and the media reminds them of the Communist regime and propaganda they grew up with/under before reunification and that is why they vote AfD and oppose it and more immigration, etc.
Source: http://archive.is/Atpf9
I don’t think anybody (including me) has ever claimed that there is a high probability of being robbed at gunpoint by some Hispanic. Most Hispanics who rob a 7/11 know better than to pile on a gun charge when all you need to do is threaten to punch Prajeet on your way out the door on your beer run.
The real problem has always been their general lack of respect for the law. They are heavily involved with street gangs, drug dealing, low level crime like breaking and entering, hit and runs, and ignoring the traffic rules leading to sky high accident rates and costs that WE all pay through our insurance premiums.
However, as everybody else pointed out, crime is only one facet of the problem of Hispanic immigration. As someone else pointed out, it is the only topic tolerated in “polite society”.
Just how do you define white?
Way back around 1850 when California statehood was proposed, “white” didn’t mean what it does today. The population mostly spoke Spanish, and the notion that skin color might bear on civil rights seemed absurd. The term “white” was translated as “gente de razón” or literally “men of reason”. To acquire this status and the right to vote it was only necessary to speak a little Spanish, or English, or Chinese. So runaway slaves became white, while Europeans who spoke other languages became nonwhite. More typical nonwhites were the million or so native Indians who had not yet learned Spanish and were not counted in the census.
By the time California became a state, Spanish speaking natives had already formed their own local governments. By tradition since that day they have always called themselves white. This tradition was reinforced in the 1850s when moonlighting federal employees began capturing Californians for profit under the provisions of the Fugitive Slave Act that was added to the California admission bill as a rider. In the last few decades however the introduction of federal incentives and the replacement of that state-run census with a federal one has caused an increase in the number of Californians placed in other categories.
Having grown up there, I am unconvinced that there has been any massive influx into California from south of the border in my lifetime. By tradition many California families speak Spanish in the home, and want their children to learn English in school. Back Easters come and hear people speaking Spanish in the streets and assume there has been an invasion, but there has not been one. If anything there has been a decline as California natives sell their homes and move to other parts of the country.
In any event we lack a universal objective definition for the term “white.” It is to be expected that definitions will vary around the world. It is a mistake to compare statistics on whiteness between countries or even between US states.
I just checked, and in 2016 Trump got less than 20%(!!!) of the vote in Santa Clara+San Mateo counties, which comprise “Silicon Valley.” He lost to Hillary Clinton by about 55 points(!!!). For reasons of age and citizenship-status, whites were probably a strong majority of those voters, and I’d think they voted against Trump by roughly similar margins. And although some of the million or so whites living in Silicon Valley are extremely wealthy, the vast majority are just middle-class or upper-middle-class.
Probably the same thing happened in Brentwood and Beverly Hills. There are a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with a love of Hispanics and rejection of immigration restriction. For one, these people lost their ability to deduct their state and local taxes on their federal returns. These people have minimal close contract with barrio Hispanics so it is easy to virtue signal.
It’s much simpler than that.
By and large the whites in Palo Alto do not have to live with the negative externalities of lots of cheap-labor Hispanics living in East Palo Alto in a trailer park.
Also, of course, many of the whites in Silicon Valley are afraid of being perceived as racist.
In the United States, most people who self-identify as white are of nearly pure European ancestry. Therefore, defining white to be anyone with at least 95 percent European ancestry might make sense.
Few Brazilians would meet that criteria.
I hear you.
Disclaimer: I guess I understand most of your suggestions because that’s not quite my area of expertise. Having said, I do think I can recognize those who have and you appear to be one of them.
Now, one thing that really puzzles me.
I guess it has something to do with being American, some psyche there, whatever, but hard to pinpoint it. Here it is:
Looking at, say, your comments in this thread and quite a few comments around this site, one feels there is a huge POTENTIAL for real change. All that’s needed is tapping into it.
So…how come that Trump team (and I am not talking about the man; I am talking about that push of his) hasn’t been able to tap into it?
I got into heated conversation before here with another American who, apparently, put a lot of effort in Trump’s campaign and even later tried to help with actual work; he was simply ignored.
So…again….why, how come, that Trump team, as soon as they walked into the White House, apparently, cut all their connections with their base ?
I mean…..anyone with a half a brain would’ve CREATED a mechanism, so easily in this era, to tap, use, that energy and expertise from own base.
Not this team.
Even “progs”, regardless how delusional and psychotic they are, do that.
Any insight into this ISSUE?
I’m convinced your unable to recognize the nightly cat-and-mouse game played by California-based Border Patrol Agents reveals a “Massive Influx” of people from the south. Not to mention the legal visitors who pour through the checkpoints.
By the way,
Sight is not the same as site.
I know that my English is deficient at times, but I work on it, to be free of errors. You may consider doing the same.
After reading nonsense like this there of course comes the question, answer or not ?
Maybe you do not realise that Sweden is quite close to the Netherlands, much discussed these days, because the party that traditionally ruled there no longer has a majority, the usual political move to the right these days in Europe.
Forgot the exact number, but right now Sweden has twenty or more no go areas, where police only go reluctantly, where cars are set on fire regularly, etc, and where rape is common.
This is not one tv report, this is reported in newspapers all over Europe.
Why it is so much worse in Sweden as in the Netherlands, no explanation, migrants from other areas ?
Or is or was it Swedish naïvity, as Dutch friends now living in Sweden, tell us ?
Weird country, Sweden, despite very strict anti drinking laws the only country in the world I ever saw youngsters drunk at noon just walking down a road.
When a Swedish girl reports a rape, AND states it was a migrant, she’s immediately prosecuted for racism.
In Germany in many areas it is not much better, young women demonstrating with a banner ‘wir sind kein Freiwild’, ‘w’re not to be had for anyone’, the literal meaning is ‘game that can be shot by anyone’.
But I now wonder if you really havea question, or just try to assert that rape by migrants in Sweden is just nonsense.
” Suppose Breitbart and and Paul Joseph Watson and Steve Sailer and the rest of them start saying tomorrow that there is a Muslim rape epidemic going on in Holland. How would you react to that? ”
Not at all.
In this small country we know quite well what’s going on.
THE event of today was if a lawsuit trying prevent that Sinterklaas with his Black Petes would arrive next Saturday would have success.
It had not.
You have zero empathy. If you’re not autistic, I’m in utter shock.
How you can fail to understand that for the vast majority of Americans, whose interaction with most immigrants is not just cheap menial “help” or amazing Asian elite classes but actual competition for jobs, houses and services, this stuff is not complicated.
The white Californian middle class no longer exists. It was the best (white) middle class ever. It no longer exists because of the policies of people like you.
You show no loyalty to them. They’ve, so far, shown plenty of loyalty to you. The latter won’t last. You can expect to reap what you have sown.
In the meantime AfD got seats in any of the states, Länder, Germany is composed of.
Great panic among ‘good’ Germans, these AfD people even make heretic statements such as that German soldiers in WWII were very professional.
Don’t forget I was referring to the 2016 presidential election results, long before Trump’s very doubtful “tax reform” was even under discussion…
Well, he carried Florida, and they certainly have a lot of real life experience with Hispanic immigration.
how then do you explain Prop 187?
It passed by nearly 60%, with no doubt all Hispanics and progressive, liberal type Whites voting against it. Which sort of suggests a massive White middle class last-gasp effort to keep California nominally White.
but isn’t that the oldest game in the book, to saddle the (middle and working class) tax slave to subsidize the necessities of the wealthy people’s cheap labor?
Isn’t that why the middle and working class are forced to pay for the free health care for illegals at the ER rooms and EBT cards and food stamps and other freebies? So that their employers don’t have to cover those expenses?
Would the wealthy residents of Palo Alto have crusaded to save the trailer park if it was inhabited by working class whites (Rednecks and ‘trailer trash’)? Rather than their Hispanic housekeepers and gardeners?
Actually, that’s not the case. Obviously, the MSM is the primary force that presents and intermediates these sorts of complex issues to most of the broader public.
Over the years, I’ve discussed the case for sharp reductions in legal immigration with quite a number of reasonably prominent figures in those (liberal) MSM circles and they’re really rather open to the idea, so much so that I was quite surprised. Ironically, most of the arguments they vaguely make on the other side are citing Koch-funded “open borders” analyses claiming that heavy immigration is essential to “grow the economy.”
On the other, they’d be exceptionally hostile to Trump-type denunciations of illegal immigrants as “rapists and killers,” which obviously are totally demagogic and ridiculous. And since something like 95% of our current net immigration is probably legal, focusing on illegal immigration is clearly a sign of dishonesty and bad faith.
You really should read my “Grand Bargain” article I’ve linked several times in the main article and in the comments.
Gee, you are reminding me of Sarah Palin, who can see Russia from her window. I guess you can see Sweden from your window, eh?
Look, this isn’t even about you specifically. There is a basic pattern here. People repeat a bunch of stories. You ask them for proof of the stories in question, and their “proof” is simply to repeat the story.
Well, yeah, I’ve heard this narrative. Sweden is some sort of Mad Max dystopia, has become a crime-ridden hellhole and so on. I have great doubts about the story, of course, but regardless of whether this narrative is true or not, you won’t convince me that this story is true by simply repeating the story!
This is a continual problem. There are all these very dubious events reported and you ask somebody what evidence there is that the story is true and they point you to the Wikipedia page, which is simply a recapitulation of the story in question!
Which newspapers? I live in Spain and certainly never got the impression from reading through local newspapers that Sweden is a crime-ridden hellhole.
Is the above really true? I mean, this is a fantastical claim. Don’t you think there is an onus to back this up from some credible information source???!!!!
Well, yes, I am asserting that, as far as I can tell, it’s basically nonsense. To be clear, I don’t mean to say that absolutely nobody is ever raped in Sweden. Or in Germany. But the notion that there is some massive rape epidemic taking place in either country, specifically attributable to Muslim immigrants… I’m pretty sure this is nonsense.
So, to the extent that I’m posing a question, it’s whether you have any hard evidence that this is actually true? But you decline to provide a link. You say some guy said something, but you won’t say who it was or provide a link. I guess there’s no need because everybody knows this narrative is true because it’s in the newspapers, but you don’t say which newspapers…
Meanwhile, I have tried to prove to myself I’m wrong. Well, I haven’t actually gone to Sweden to check, but there is a lot of social media out there, for example. One site I looked at is called quora.com. A Q&A site. The question of how crime-ridden and how dangerous Sweden is for women frequently comes up on Quora and it’s quite fascinating to scan the answers that people provide. Yes, you have people spouting the Paul Joseph Watson line that Sweden has become utterly crime-ridden and so forth, but actually, I looked carefully through the answers and all the answers that are very precise, such that you believe the person really lives in Sweden, the person is almost invariably dismissive of these claims of a massive crime/rape epidemic.
Well, like here is an example of what I mean. https://www.quora.com/Is-Sweden-really-that-dangerous-for-women-e-g-how-safe-is-it-for-them-to-walk-the-streets-alone-from-school-work-a-party-a-bar-et-cetera/answer/Alva-Lindvall
This person, who signs her name to what she writes (I assume Alva Lindvall is not a nom de plume) says there:
Another answer to the question from June 22 of this year, by one Susanna Viljanen, who is apparently a Finnish woman living in Stockholm.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Sweden-really-that-dangerous-for-women-e-g-how-safe-is-it-for-them-to-walk-the-streets-alone-from-school-work-a-party-a-bar-et-cetera/answer/Susanna-Viljanen
Excerpt:
4 a.m. alone, eh? Well, again, this person really does seem to live in Sweden, but seems quite blissfully unaware that there is a rape epidemic going on all around her. Go figure…
And there are a lot of other examples. Basically, when the discussion comes up on these sites, the commenters who very clearly do live in Sweden, are almost invariably saying that the whole thing is extremely overblown, to say the least.
Well, this is precisely the point. People do tend to know what is going on in their own neighborhoods. As I said, and this refers to Germany, not Sweden, but I don’t think the results would be very different, a friend of mine was trying to get some real info about this “Muslim rape epidemic” in Germany and he was asking people who live in Germany about this in Summer of 2017, and he told me that he would broach the topic with German girls who lived in various places in Germany and, basically, none of them even knew what he was talking about! They would say, just like these people in Sweden I cited above, that they live in whatever town in Germany, they go about any time of night with no fear. It’s completely safe.
My impression really is that this rape epidemic only exists if you read Breitbart and listen to Paul Joseph Watson and, basically, if your main information sources are this constellation of right-wing echo sphere sorts of publications. If I go to a local travel agency here in Spain and try to book a trip to Germany or Sweden, will the travel agent tell me to be careful because there is a rape epidemic going on there? I doubt it… Has the U.S. State department ever issued a travel advisory telling Americans not to go to these countries because they are in such danger of being raped there?
So, yes, I’m pretty sure it’s nonsense. The fact that you answer me without providing any links or anything that I can really look at only tends to reinforce that view.
Not well. However, I do not think the 1986 amnesty is analogous to the “grand bargain” Mr Unz is proposing. The 1986 Act did not stipulate any reduction of *legal* immigration. It was basically just an amnesty for illegal aliens in exchange for a light increase in regulation and false promises of beefed-up border security.
By contrast, Mr Unz is proposing a permanent reduction, by as much as 50% or more, of *legal* immigration flows in exchange for some type of amnesty for the existing illegal immigrants.
I should make it clear I don’t know if such a “grand bargain” is achievable or desirable, only that it’s worth considering. Politics being the art of the possible, immigration patriots need to keep their eyes on the prize, which is a drastic reduction of legal immigration levels. The “grand bargain” seems as likely to achieve that goal as any other proposal.
Remember the RAISE Act introduced in the Senate last year, crafted by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon, which would slash immigration levels by half? How did that work out? I haven’t heard a whisper about it since last October or so. And Republicans just lost control of the House.
Well, you did neglect to answer a question I posed, which was the following:
Is your position currently that there really is a “Muslim rape epidemic” going on in Germany and Sweden, but broadly similar narratives about illegal Hispanics in the U.S., on the other hand, are just “nonsense”?
It’s an interesting question, because it seems to me that a lot of the arguments you have been making here also apply perfectly well to the situation in Europe. I mean, for one thing, people who really live in the places in question would know perfectly well, presumably, whether there really is a “Muslim rape epidemic” going on, wouldn’t they? I mean, if there isn’t, wouldn’t the ethno-nationalist crowd be discrediting themselves in that case just as they are when they grab onto this Trump narrative about illegal aliens raping and murdering all over the place in the States?
Of course, maybe you haven’t thought about this too much, but that would be surprising, since the two cases seem to have such similarities. (Though there are some key differences too, of course….)
The problem was that Ryan was always for open borders and would not ever fight for any restrictions. You actually have to do something if you want something to happen. They always hid behined the claim that they didn;t have enough Senators.
I used to post that the GOP should pick off issues one by one and drive a wedge between the Democrat leadership and the red state Senators. Take the visa lottery, nobody supports it. The democrats protect it because it is a bargaining chip for an amnesty.
Ryan could have sent a clean bill to the Senate with it’s repeal ONLY. The Republicans with Trump holding his rallies in red states where the Senator was up for reelection demandig that he Senate pass it. As you pick each one off, the visa lottery, chain migration, E-verify…. you weaken Schumer’s ability to demand an amnesty.
Schummer backed down over the shutdown to save DACA becase his red state senators told him to take a hike. Yet, this strategy was never attempted by the GOP. The GOP has to play hardball and dish out some chin-music evey once in a while.
As someone else else just mentioned, this is kind of like how the anti-immigrant sentiment is strongest in areas in Europe where there is not much migration. The problem with this viewpoint is that it takes a very atomized view of life. People would like their culture centers to reflect themselves. There’s already the rural and urban mentality divide but when you add diversity that just adds to the estrangement. I think Michael Dougherty or Doudhat has something about brexit about how much was driven by people who’d like to live in london(or children) but are kind of pushed out culturally.
California has lost a lot of it’s glamour. It’s not some place people dream as much about unless they are in tech.
Feinstein and Pelosi are extreme left? Give us a break, Art. They’re Wall Street endowed Corporate Dems, Hilligula’s minions. But the Dems and Reps are almost equally awful, a curse on both their houses.
(Poor old Dana R. His Russia and Syria policies were about the only decent things about him, but since he was the only one good on that, I’m sad to see him go.)
The US is a two-party system. Each party represents a two-parent household: The Democrats are the Mommy party and the Republicans are the Daddy party.
Who do you think is better at doing all of the organizing in the household? Mommy.
Who do you think organizes neighbors for block parties and other events? Mommy.
Who do you think handles the bake sales and the PTA and other elements? Mommy.
Why do you think the Democratic party represents a shrill and hysterical woman?
Do you think Daddy is good at asking for help from the neighbors?
And, really, tapping that expertise for the administration may not be easy simply because that expertise is already engaged in other professional endeavors.
That’s the situation we have now. There is a reason why Nazi Germany was called the Fatherland and the Soviet Union was called the Motherland. Yet, America never had such a designation. We already had the embodiment of both.
SHOWING MY AGE
* In the 1990’s crystal meth was a white prole drug. You never saw it on college campuses or suburbs, only trailer parks and rural white areas. I never knew a tweaker until I moved to Arizona in 1998. It wasn’t IN Michigan at that time.
* Meth at that time was a make-it-yourself narcotic but of course ephedrine was not yet banned.
* For middle-class whites cocaine was the stimulant of choice and meth back then was associated with white trash and to a lesser extent, gays.
* Blacks and Hispanics did not sell cocaine. Bikers in Detroit tried to introduce meth to the ghetto with no success. You could not find meth in the inner-city.
That’s an interesting point you present.
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Depends.
In military, for example, combat arms on top of it, when unit finds itself in a really tight spot a C.O. summons everybody he deems qualified and asks for input. I did it a couple of times (or so I say….) when it was REALLY bad.
Not related, probably; civilian affairs and military, could be. But, we hear that word “war” spelled so easily around. And in this “war” we are, apparently, engaged and, looks like it not faring well in it, I simply feel it would make sense to pool all resources. Feels simply….sensible.
Don’t think so.
Plenty of that expertise is underemployed, unemployed or simply retired. And, something tells me it would be so easy to find plenty of guys so happy to resign their digs just to get involved.
Anyway, I feel both of us do know the reasons, but, say, not keen on spelling them out. Probably sensible, for a time being.
Interesting times. Will become even more interesting I am sure.
In Brazil, race is measured in the Census by self-identification. So if someone says he’s white, then he’s counted as white. I would say that the the proportion of non-mixed Europeans in Brazil is lower than 30%, and probably more like 20% of the whole population, if that. Maybe if you count people with just 10% of Indian blood and no black blood as White, then it can be 48%, but I still doubt it.
Still, if you go to the South of Brazil, and especially to the smaller towns, you will see that there is a surprisingly large amount of phenotypically white people around. But below the surface, if you do a DNA test, even many or most “whites” in Brazil are probably mixed one way or another. Like they are becoming in California. Fred Reed is right, Mexico is the future.
The Swedish Crime Survey
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/swedish-crime-survey.html
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html
https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/robbery.html
The Swedish Crime Survey (SCS or Nationella trygghetsundersökningen – NTU – in Swedish) is an annual survey of the attitudes and experiences of the general population of Sweden (aged 16-79 years) regarding victimisation, fear of crime and public confidence in the justice system.
Sexual offenses: Increased by factor of 2.5 from 2014 to 2016
Robbery agains men: Increased by factor of 2.25 from 2014 to 2016
Robbery agains men: Increased by factor of 1.6 rom 2014 to 2016
Well it hardly applies to Australia. Your country will be taken over by Asians. And I suspect they are better at cutthroat capitalism. Your cities will be veritable Chinese millionaire colonies.
That is true, but the MSM and the broader Media and Entertainment complcx are frothing-at-the-mount Trump haters, and that has been true since he entered the race, or perhaps before when he dared to suggest that there was something wrong with Obama’s BC.
Personally, I am on the opinion that Obama is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, which clearly makes him eligible to be President, unless he repudiated his citizenship for some reason.
“Mexico is the future”
Red Indians took over the land from the whites and blacks again, then. Because Mexicans are basically Indians.
The Republican white prole, like the white Dad who loses everything in a divorce and his wife become a BBC-craving Milf and his son a whigger and his daughter a dyke, ends up homeless in an alley suicidal.
Mommy has the system of support. But the white male, who always touted individualism and self-reliance unlike the Jew or Asian has no support network.
Most of the white homeless are male. Most are not Jews or other ethnic groups with ethnic networks to support them.
It is the Emperor who wore no clothes.
If you removed every single Hispanic from California it would still vote Democratic
I don’t spend much time on the West Coast but this strikes me as very true. Listening to what Coloradans and Oregonians say about California refugees is quite instructive. Californians seem to arrive in other states and presto — these places immediately become more liberal. The locals don’t seem to like this one bit, nor do they like white Californians.
2010 adult incarceration rates by race, ethnicity, and sex per 100,000 adult US residents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
Males:
White 678
Black 4347
Hispanic 1775
These stats suggest that Hispanic criminality is 2.6 times higher than that of Whites but still 2.45 time lower than the criminality of Blacks. What are the actual criminality rates now?
Dilution of Black population with Hispanic population should reduce overall crime rate in cities with high Black population but dilution of Whites with Hispanics in cities with low Black population should increase overall crime rate. This effects may not be seen directly because of the overall downward crime rate trend in last several years.
Ron Unz’s correlation method applied to the US cities shows negative correlations for Hispanics and Whites.
One may speculate that this negative correlation effect for Hispanic is driven by cities with high Black populations like some cities East of Mississippi and cities with high Hispanic population like some cities on the West coast that have also low Black population.
That White and Hispanic correlations have similar magnitude is most likely a spurious effect and it should by no means mislead anybody into believing that criminality rates for the two populations are similar.
[More and more people are starting to post image “memes” here, which occupy a great deal of vertical space in comment-threads and contribute very little. This is not that 4Chan website for memes, so don’t be surprised if your meme-heavy comments frequently get trashed.]
And, of course, who can forget these grateful immigrants from south of the border!
You seem to have relatively little experience with Mexicans …
I have seen quite a few Mexicans who are very white. Just look at their political leaders.
However, most of the illegals are Mestizos …
They sure look like “wagon burners”. There is not a drop of Spanish blood in these people. They are Red Indians. We might as well make the Southwest a giant reservation.
It’s pretty clear people. Mr. Unz wants 10 examples of Hispanic on white murder. The crimes have to have been committed in the last year. The victims have to be definitely white, making at least $30,000 a year, and not blameworthy in any way. Also helps if the murders happened on a Tuesday afternoon. Should not involve an automobile in any way. And cutting instruments are acceptable if they’re more than 4″ in length.
He reminds me of the Knights who say Ni. He wants a shrubbery before you can pass. Then you bring him one and he says it’s the wrong shrubbery, and besides, he’s changed his mantra, he’s now the knight who says Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing.
The pro-open borders CATO institute did a report, “Incarcerated Immigrants in 2016: Their Numbers, Demographics, and Countries of Origin”, using the ACS. They try to spin it as “immigrants are no worse than natives” with the usual BS controls, but the underlying data are clear (Table 1):
https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/their-numbers-demographics-countries-origin
Table 1: Incarceration rates by race, ethnicity, nativity ages 18-54
Source: Authors’ analysis of the 2016 American Community Survey data.
Note: Rates are per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation.
Natives Legal Immigrants Illegal Immigrants All
White 898 207 357 870
Black 4,202 472 1,001 3,782
Asian 516 121 169 244
Hispanic (any race) 1,915 479 1,130 1,443
Other 2,314 460 789 1,112
All 1,521 325 800 1,350
In handy graph form:
Now let’s turn to educational attainment. Mexican-Americans have been around for a while, so we know how each generation progresses (or not). These economists try to put a good spin on things:
https://www.nber.org/papers/w24067.pdf
New Evidence of Generational Progress for Mexican Americans
U.S.-born Mexican Americans suffer a large schooling deficit relative to other Americans, and standard data sources suggest that this deficit does not shrink between the 2nd and later generations. Standard data sources lack information on grandparents’ countries of birth, however, which creates potentially serious issues for tracking the progress of later-generation Mexican Americans. Exploiting unique NLSY97 data that address these measurement issues, we find substantial educational progress between the 2nd and 3rd generations for a recent cohort of Mexican Americans. Such progress is obscured when we instead mimic the limitations inherent in standard data sources.
However:
Panel A of Table 1 illustrates the seemingly persistent educational disadvantage of Mexican Americans. These calculations of average years of schooling for men use 2003-2016 data from the Current Population Survey (CPS).1 Mexican Americans display impressive growth in educational attainment between the 1st generation (9.5 years) and the 2nd generation (12.7 years), but no further improvement is evident for the 3rd+ generation (the grandchildren and later descendants of Mexican immigrants). As a result, even when the comparisons are confined to individuals whose families have lived in the United States for at least a couple of generations (i.e., the 3rd+-generation), Mexican Americans possess schooling deficits of more than a year relative to non-Hispanic whites and almost one-third of a year relative to African Americans.
CRIME STATISTICS AND EMPIRICAL FACT
Per person German-Americans in Milwaukee would kill the most number of people simply because Dahmer and Gein were intelligent enough to get away with their crimes.
Similarly, per criminal, the Italians in North Jersey would be the most prolific. The average mafia don commits/orders 50 murders before he is finally arrested on tax evasion or his underboss “rolls”.
Hispanic gangs are not as sophisticated as the Italians or genius-IQ serial killers but they are going to get away with many more crimes than blacks. By the time they are caught for one homicide, they have committed 10.
Blacks get caught 50% of the time. Watch the FIRST 48. The killer sells the cell-phone to some guy whom the police call and when he answers the victim’s cellphone he tells them who sold it to him. On the odd occasion when some Russian in Chicago is found dead the killer is never apprehended. Hispanics are less likely on the show to be caught either.
My point is that Hispanics are not necessarily less criminally-inclined but they are less likely to tell anyone about the crime. They will get rid of the gun. None of their fellows will inform on them.
And their most petty crime is never reported. Stealing cars, jumping some middle-class white guy for no reason in a public place (A favorite hobby in Phoenix when I lived there), stabbing a stranger outside a bar.
Plus, as another poster put it, many of them head down to Mexico out of paranoia. They rape a few white women in El Paso, feel the heat of an investigation and head down to Mexico for five years. Then the urge hits them. So they go back up to the US and rape a few more women.
How many Mexican whites will you MEET in the United States who look like Charlie Sheen? They have a good gig in Mexico, why would they come to the US to be illegal aliens.
White Mexicans see the US as a safety valve for the Red Indians so they do not revolt against their conditions in Mexico (Or Latin America). If the US were not the next country, Red Indian vs. European wars in Mexico would be unending.
The Mexicans you see in the Southwest are not Hispanic. They are Indians. Maybe they are 5% white but this does not make them Mestizo. They identify as Aztecs.
Hmm… I published my Hispanic Crime article almost nine years ago, and it looks like almost nothing has changed. Here was one of my early paragraphs:
Maybe if some of the lazy people here will actually read my article, they’ll discover why I nonetheless concluded that Hispanics had approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age and gender:
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/
“Blameworthy”
Becky was a white working class girl who was attending Central Michigan on a scholarship when Frat boys turned her onto cocaine.
When she was arrested in Texas a year later (I heard from her dormitory roommate) in a stolen car with Mestizo coke dealers, she went to jail for the full stretch. She had grown up with her grandmother and had no money for a lawyer or bail or anything else. Had her father been a lawyer or doctor, things would be different.
White coke whores are a thing of the past (They are either dead or past 50 now) but in the old days if a white girl was scoring crack in the ghetto and was gang-raped the police did not bother to investigate it. The chances were that the white girl came from a blue-collar prole background and her parents would not hire a lawyer anyhow. If a middle-class white girl who could afford powder cocaine was raped at a frat party by whites, then chances were that her father WAS a lawyer. Or would hire one.
Mexicans come and go over the border. Your average Mexican criminal commits 20 crimes, has enough money saved and feels some heat, so he rides down to Mexico where he can live off the money for a few years. Nobody knows who is was because he was an illegal anyhow.
In terms of “blameworthy” essentially any white who is poor enough to be in harm’s way is blameworthy. But the daughter of an upper middle class white is not blameworthy, because her Dad can afford a lawyer.
If I may attempt to summarize the positions of Ron’s two articles:
* Hispanics, whites, and Asians appear to be able to live in peace with each other.
* Demonizing minorities is, politically, a losing proposition
* A politically viable way to sharply curtail future demographic change is the following combination: 1. raising the minimum wage, 2. reforming H1B visas, 3. limiting legal immigration, and 4. dealing humanely with illegals already in the US.
It’s a pretty good argument. I admit that I see no future, politically, in racially-charged arguments, unless the situation in the US deteriorates significantly, and raising the cost of labor could remove the incentives for immigration.
This does strike as a “making the best of it” proposal, though, and while I’m not aware of any realistic solution that’s better, that doesn’t mean that it’ll work well. It isn’t enough for people to be able to coexist peacefully. A country must have good policies and productive people. My concerns are threefold:
1. Group differences will not just disappear, and the progressive mindset of the US will continue to inflame racial tensions. I think the US will become more racially divisive over time; not less.
2. Everyone gets a vote. While minorities have largely been willing to cede political control to whites in the past, they are no longer doing so. I suspect there will be a growing demand for increasing redistribution, and a larger overall government role.
3. A per-capita productivity loss will have very real effects, and will weaken the US is almost every conceivable way. In particular, this will limit the ability of the US to afford inefficiencies created by points #1 and #2.
Note that these points all feed back on each other. For example, tolerance markedly declines when prosperity falls.
True solutions that are moral could center on changing voting rights, but there’d have to be a lot of heavy lifting for that to be palatable.
I said, and repeat, “Darwin wrote no laws.” I do know the difference between a law, like gravity, and a theory, like evolution. I also know the difference between Darwinism and the simplistic and discredited Social Darwinism you promote.
I spend a lot of time in the California desert too. BFD. The reality today is that most of the country doesn’t look or feel like the California desert out in that burning sun, which is productive only because of imported — or stolen — water, and very cheap labor. Cui bono?
There are plenty of farms throughout the United States that have gotten along just fine without cheap Mexican labor. Those lands in the Midwest and High Plains are farmed by the middle class folks you insist deserve to die, and that makes you a psychopathic shithead in my book.
I’m sure that most of the recent immigrants are decent, hard-working people, but have to question whether California in the long run is going to be able to afford a standard of living and social programs for its residents on a par with other prosperous parts of the Pacific Rim.
Sure, that’s a pretty reasonable summary.
Incidentally, since all the commenters here are so agitated about immigration policy, here’s something I should mention…
Almost exactly two years ago, soon after Trump’s election, I was interviewed by various MSM journalists because my webzine had been one of the very few outlets generally supportive of Trump. Most of the assessment I gave of him was extremely similar to what I wrote in my article above, and I think I turned out to be generally correct.
One thing the journalists asked me about with a great deal of interest and concern was what I thought would happen with immigration policy under Trump.
I told them probably nothing much. Congress had been completely deadlocked on immigration issues for 27 years, so why would Trump’s close election win change anything? I’d say I was 100% correct.
Barring some sweeping event like a nuclear war or a total economic collapse, it’s not at all clear whether anything will change with immigration policy in the foreseeable future. But I’d say my “Grand Bargain” proposal is by far the most likely political framework if something did.
http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/
While I agree with the point you make, that since Hispanic age structure is skewed towards younger people and with lots of younger males, they actually have comparable crime rates to similar age and sex whites.
However, surely that is irrelevant.
Do we really want to import a large number of crime-prone people when we have enough of our own?
Better lazy than Byatch.
This caught my attention:
I am not sure what “crime-age population” population is but I decided to compare it with:
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/WV.html
Arkansas 593 Whites, 915 Hispanic
Louisiana: 675 Whites, 1114 Hispanic
West Virginia: 622 Whites, 4585 Hispanic
and
California: 453 Whites, 753 Hispanic
The key is deciphering the “crime-age population”. Is it a correction based on age brackets that may depress Hispanic crime rate because of different age demographics between Whites and Hispanics? Could it boost White incarceration rate to be three or four time higher than Hispanic rate? For West Virginia from 7 time higher incarceration rate for Hispanics?
Anybody who spent a day in a working middle class part of Phoenix knows this is a load of bollocks.
I’m sure all the white moved out of California and Miami before that to get to a better climate.
Look at the public school system in those places. It has vastly improved.
Mr. Unz,
I think you forgot to factor in the behavior of one particular group of legal and illegal immigrants in your analysis that was mentioned in the CATO study another commenter just linked to http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2624401 , namely the age group of immigrants that arrived here when they were between ages 0 to 17, who happen to be incarcerated at much higher rates than their older fellow immigrants once they get older/mature:
Table 8
Incarceration rates for immigrants by their age of arrival in the United States, ages 18-54
Source: Authors’ analysis of the 2016 American Community Survey data.
Note: Rates are per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation.
– https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/their-numbers-demographics-countries-origin
CATO concludes:
The younger the immigrants are upon arrival in the United States and the longer they are here, the more likely they are to be incarcerated as adults.
Also, immigrants as a group are older than native-born Americans, which would explain their lower crime rates; one of the main arguments you deploy in your article in favor of Hispanic immigration http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/ :
What is the immigrant age distribution?
– http://archive.is/c6Hy7#selection-2515.0-2523.291
I think you also need to correct the following paragraph from your article since you seem to have conflated/mixed up/mixed together federal arrest and federal incarceration rates, when they are not the same thing, as we discussed here http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2622763 and here http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2623104 :
– http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#p_1_14
I think this is the biggest error in your analysis due to the federal arrest to federal imprisonment rates conflation/mix up:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#p_1_17
I don’t get the impression that crime is such a dominant issue here. That’s especially the case if Mr Unz inference is that we would be OK with it if not for the crime problem. Not at all. My biggest frustration is that this issue has been purposely avoided for so long that it is likely too late. That, of course, was the strategy all along.
Another factor that people don’t seem to mention is the role that the courts have played all along. A big example is the “right” that a child here illegally has to0 a public education. That is only the single largest expense incurred for states and localities, not to mention an obvious incentive for those illegally entering to just ignore the law. In a normal world, one might think that public officials might be irritated at having to bear such an expense. California is not now solidly blue because of the voters, the legislature or even the governor. It’s because of a single Federal Judge who basically decided she had the right to play politics with Prop 187. Such a noble act from someone completely shielded from the voting public. In a more recent related matter, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court just decided to flip two districts because of biased gerrymandering. Duh… With the California case the judge needlessly delayed a ruling and in the PA case it was actually expedited. Speaking of bias..
At this point, I’m not even sure further debate should be considered about this issue. It all started with a huge lie in 1965, followed by a biggie in 1986, then the real gut punch in 1990 and 28 years later a final admission that the law was never going to be enforced anyway. The most patriotic act Trump could take right now is to issue his executive order(s)and simply ignore anything a judge might have to say about it. Yes it would be blatantly illegal, but also par for the course with this issue.
Sure, that’s a totally valid criticism. Remember, I published the paper almost nine years ago, and I was relying upon the latest 2005 BOJ report having statewide ethnicity incarceration figures:
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf#page=11
Back then, the Hispanic population in those three states was very small and recent, and I explicitly noted that issue in my text:
However, I pointed out that this time-lag effect certainly wouldn’t apply to states with large, long-standing Hispanic populations such as CA, TX, and FL, and in fact you’ll notice that the CA rates you quote are very close to the ones I used from a few years earlier in the BOJ report, though there’s actually a significant decline in the Hispanic incarceration in your more recent figures.
My Hispanic Crime paper provoked a great deal of public debate, and I published several follow-up columns to address issues raised. Along the way, I found a study that I thought largely settled the issue.
California has by far America’s largest Hispanic population, and the long history of extremely serious racial violence in its prisons made it a national leader in proper racial classification of inmates. PPIC is CA’s largest and most reputable thinktank, with a strong focus on demographic issues, and they published a report including an age-adjusted set of racial incarceration rates. Here’s the link:
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_806ABCC.pdf#page=5
Notice that among males, the white and Hispanic incarceration rates are relatively close, while among females, the Hispanic incarceration rate is considerably *below* the white rate. So the overall Hispanic rate is only very slightly above the white one in CA, just as I’d found in my own calculations.
An American sage once proffered this stern warning:
It would serve us well if we all heeded these erudite words.
The problem with the combat arms example is all of those men are already functioning as a unit in a military situation where their officers have given them an objective. In civilian life, we barely know our neighbors, at least for the bulk of the people. When knowing our neighbors, usually the wives take the initiative.
“Don’t think so. Plenty of that expertise is underemployed, unemployed or simply retired. And, something tells me it would be so easy to find plenty of guys so happy to resign their digs just to get involved.”
The White House hires based on credentialism, like any other high-end job and Trump and his staff values that.
Right…and Mommy will drive the country into the ground.
But, as I have argued elsewhere on this thread, the House was lost as punishment for repealing ObamaCare at the House level with no replacement.
During the run up to the election, ads were filled with one House member after another getting hammered on healthcare. That is why the House flipped.
I’ve argued on this thread that Trump needs to engage the House in getting an improved replacement for ObamaCare.
The data I cited were form 2010. The facts on the ground apparently change fast and when you were writing the article your data were already invalid. Perhaps it is time to update your article or retire and definitively stop advertising it.
I am very skeptical and suspicious about the tweaking of incarceration rates by adjusting the denominator for the age demographics. And you already know my opinion on the correlations.
And I am sorry to say I will have to revise my attitude about your Harvard paper and consider a possibility that the Byatch woman might be onto something even though I have to go against my confirmation bias.
Adjusting for age demographics is more than reasonable and important, but the federal incarceration rates-federal arrest rates conflation/mix up is a major flaw of the analysis, in my opinion: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2624565
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, utu.
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/#comment-2602005
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/#comment-2613299
I meet a great many white males 50 or over in Southeast Asia and they all have the same story. Sometimes it is unbelievably bad.
John’s wife began cheating on him in their 40’s with black men she would simply bring off the street while he was at work who would shaft her and then walk off out of his house after shooting their loads. John confronted her, she got the house in the divorce and would have gotten alimony too but John took off for Southeast Asia.
Randy was an ex Army Ranger from Ohio. He served in the Philippines. He later became an engineer. He caught his wife cheating and lost his temper and hit her lover in his house with a tire iron he picked up in the garage because he thought it was an intruder. His wife divorced him and his son committed suicide at 13 because he was ordered to go with her. Randy returned to the Philippines in his early 50’s. His only real happiness had been when he was a young soldier abroad.
Clinton Macbeth was forced out of his house by his wife. Out of decency, he left his condo two his kids. He never had many assets being a steelworker. He was homeless in Connecticut and when he went into a homeless shelter a nude black man walked up to his cot and started jacking off on his head. So he moved outside but you can freeze to death in Connecticut. Somehow, he got $300 a month from his brother and that was enough to get by in the Philippines in a beach hut with a bottle of local firewater.
Mark was on the run from child support in the US and had entered Malaysia by plane and then took a ferry from Malaysia to Southern Philippines (Known as the “Death Run” because it is through Muslim Mindanao). He had gotten a madwoman named Diane pregnant who intended to take him for everything he owned. She staked him throughout the US. She finally won the paternity case but Mark took off and got overseas. He slipped into the Philippines by boat which means the US government did not know what country he was in so they could not seize his assets in the Philippines.
I could go on and on but my point is that more and more white males are leaving the US and when they do things go into the ground.
As one other poster pointed out here, if things get really bad the 1% will exit quickly and take their money with them. Then the US will really collapse.
Well, suit yourself.
It looks like the latest government figures available are from 2010, which isn’t exactly breaking-news-timely.
The four states with the largest Hispanic populations are CA, TX, FL, and NY. It’s easy enough to compare the relative Hispanic/white incarceration figures against the earlier ones available when I’d published my paper.
The H/W ratio decreased very slightly in CA and increased very slightly in TX. Meanwhile, it increased by about 1/3 in FL and dropped by about 40% in NY. So overall, it looks like there wasn’t much change at all, though perhaps a very slight net decline in H/W.
One thing I’ve noticed is that racial/ethnic-type statistics tend to evolve only very slowly over time. I’m busy with other things and I certainly don’t bother rewriting my papers every time the government releases new data.
However, that provides someone like you with a tremendous opportunity to repeat my own analysis with those (slightly) more up-to-date statistics and see whether anything really changed. It looks like you’ve now published almost 850,000 words of comments on my website, so surely you have the time available to do some research of your own.
Your Hispanic figures for WV seemed *extraordinarily* odd to me, so I took a closer look at the website you’d used. Here’s what they say with regard to their data:
Apparently, the government has *never* updated their state incarceration data, so the BOJ report I used in my article was the last one ever published. Therefore, the website people tried to back-into the state incarceration statistics using Census data. But they emphasize that includes federal prisons (and immigration-detention facilities), so we’re not talking about the state jails/prisons I was focusing on.
The obvious reason that the WV Hispanic figures are so insanely high is that WV’s Hispanic population is only 1.6% but they have a federal prison and various other federal facilities, and the Hispanics located there totally distorts the results. The same is true for Louisiana. But since CA, TX, FL, and NY have very large Hispanic populations, the distortion due to federal facilities would be relatively small.
The problem with certain people is that they just use Google to locate some nice looking chart on the Internet, but being somewhat lackadaisical, they never bother checking how the data was obtained or what it actually means….
I don’t doubt any of this being true.
What I am pointing out to you is that, for the marginal voter that decides elections in the United States, the experiences of these men is not that common and, though it may become more common over time, it is not a priority for the marginal voter right now.
The margin is where things change, where the tilt occurs. The voter deciding at the margin simply asks “what do I win, what do I lose and when does it happen.” They are keenly aware of their own self-interest. Across all the areas that voted for Trump, whether in the white woman suburbs or the rural areas of Western Pennsylvania, voters rejected the Republican House for going on record for repealing, and not replacing, ObamaCare.
Trump, going forward, needs to make healthcare a front and center issue.
The Democrats are also making a mistake by touting their victory as a referendum on Trump. It’s not. It was a referendum on the House.
I don’t argue that healthcare is not an issue.
But an equally big one is the US turning into one big Indian reservation because of illegal immigration from Mexico (Except that Aztecs seem worse than American Indians).
As for white women voting for Trump, they have the most to lose by NOT voting for Trump.
White males (And many of us do so) can simply sell the farm and move to Southeast Asia or Eastern Europe. We will get laid and live cheap. A small apartment in Prague or a bungalow in Philippines is not much of a change from a house in the suburbs.
White women cannot go anywhere, unless they are the daughter of the 1%. They are trapped in the US no matter how bad it gets.
A white woman cannot easily peddle ass in Southeast Asia.
Also, they know that Hispanics and blacks are more fecund. And white women deep down know that black women are violent, aggressive, impulsive.
So for their own self-interest they are going to vote for Trump.
If Hispanics are responsible for White ODs then Whites are responsible for drug-related crimes not just in Latin America, but Asia too.
Good point and I’ve thought similarly as well, that the purging of moderate Republicans is a good thing long term. I still keep coming back to the GOP being wiped out in CA and NJ. This isn’t good for the party no matter how it’s spun.
You’re right Ron. In fact the real tragedy is how much more likely Latinos are to be victims of crime than white Americans!
Nationally, from 1994 to 2011, Latinos were more likely to be shot than whites, and had higher home burglary rates than white households, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Sounds awful. Who will stop this disparate impact racism?
But wait, there’s a group even more likely to be victims of crime.
Latinos were less likely than African Americans to be shot and had lower burglary rates than African Americans.
I can only assume that since white people are much less likely to be murdered than Latinos and blacks that white people are doing all the murdering!
(Or is Ron “Elysium Now” Unz engaging in his usual trick of drawing hard conclusions from poorly collected data and backing it up with a few rambling observations drawn anecdotally from decades ago?)
Jeff Stryker, this and your previous good comments on this thread pretty much match up with my observation that there’s an untold number of Americans who are just barely clinging to clean fingernails-white shirt middle class respectability.
Grandpa, rough-mannered and barely literate, comes up (to Ohio) from West Virginia or Kentucky for factory war work that pays pretty well. Sons and daughters are reasonably bright and want to distance themselves from the cracker mentality for which they’re cruelly mocked at school and on their street. They go to school, become schoolteachers and accountants, learn decent table manners, and cultivate a little professional and personal autonomy. By gosh, they’re not completely helpless pawns in the big boys’ game.
Then their children born in the 1970s and 1980s, discover the America they’re born into won’t reward or respect their families’ three-generation arc out of the backwoods. Whether it’s the White Death (Sailer’s term for the heroin plague), wages and salaries heading backwards, any number of other calamities, they’re getting proletarianized. They sort of sense it, but they don’t yet have the stomach to fully admit that they’re getting fucked.
They’re in an America where, as you mention, having a White skin in a public location can make them a target for racially motivated crime. Grandpa’s backwoods wit distinguished decent Blacks from the outright crazy, malicious Blacks. After two or three generations, though, his grandchildren just don’t have that mental acuity.
The history was between Peter and Ron over how much a few hundred years of criminals being killed at a known rate could have altered the genetic propensity for the population to commit crime. A paper by Peter and the late Professor Henry Harpending was found to have a weak point, in that it assumed an improbable amount of genetic change to account for the fall in crime, and being the superb debater he is, Ron relentlessly battered away at that point.
But neither can an alteration in genetic propensity explain the following. Forgive the repetition.
For Ron, Hispanics are not genetically different in the ways that count and he cites their good behaviour after they immigrate to the US. He has good evidence concerning the law-abidingness of immigrants” to America after being brought up in Hispanic culture before crossing the border, but not genetic Hispanics brought up in permissive American culture. It seems to me that the culture people are brought up in must be held constant to determine any genetic differences in their propensity to commit crime.
Steve made the same point
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-dont-worry-immigrants-arent-causing-the-swedish-crime-wave-its-their-sons-grandsons/
PPIC has issued an updated report using 2016 data, showing a larger white-Hispanic gap.
http://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/jtf-prison-population-jtf.pdf
“At the end of 2016, 29% of the male prisoners in state prisons were African American, while only 6% of the state’s male residents are African American. The incarceration rate for African American men is 4,180 per 100,000. White men are imprisoned at a rate of 420 per 100,000, and imprisonment rates for Latino men and men of other races are 1,028 and 335, respectively.”
So in 2005, we have:
White 770
Black 5,125 (6.65 x)
Hispanic 1,141 (1.48 x)
In 2016:
White 420
Black 4,180 (9.95 x)
Hispanic 1,028 (2.44 x)
Lots of possible explanations for the gap, but there it is.
JACK O
Clinton told me that when he checked into the Men’s Homeless shelter immediately a huge black man, and most of the other homeless were black winos or crackheads, got out of his own cot and walked stark naked across the barracks to Clinton and stood over him to jack off on him as he lay in his cot.
He lived on the street for a time. But only one group of black or Hispanic teenagers has to find you. As Clinton mentioned, normal people have no idea the Clockwork Orange-style mayhem that goes on in most cities at night when middle-class whites are safely in their houses.
And law-abiding whites don’t know how to survive on the streets. They have not been dealing drugs or stealing cars their entire life. Or conning people. They don’t belong to a drug-dealing gang who will “Front” drugs to sell. They are simply completely without any help.
Things in the US seemingly have gotten worse since the 1990’s when I was young. Most young people live at home at ages I would have never imagined in 1995 when I was 21 years old. When I was young, you left home at 18 or 19. Your Dad owned the house you grew up in by the time he was 30.
Sure, your grandparents or great-grandparents were poor immigrants or Southern transplants and you heard about the Depression (My German grandmother arrived in the middle of it) but that seemed a far cry from the middle-class of the 1990’s.
In the 1990’s, just about anyone could go to college. Maybe only a state school, but you could get a degree and prosper. All you had to do was not impregnate a girl, stay off hard drugs, not commit crimes.
These days, the white middle class seems worst off.
JACK O
Odd reverse correlation.
I lived in Asia for 20 years and when I first got to India and later Southeast Asia it was poor and Michigan was middle-class.
These days, Michigan cities like Flint and other white working class cities have regressed to Third World conditions.
When I was growing up, the Midwest was a neat tidy German-Polish-Scandinavian region of clean yards, polite people, tidy communities. There was not grotesque poverty.
Now parts of it look like India.
And meanwhile, India looks better than much of the Midwest.
Actually, I don’t think that’s correct…
One very nice aspect of the 2005 PPIC report was that they had “age-standardized” their racial incarceration dates, just as I argued was necessary. You’ll see that mentioned at the bottom of the PPIC chart to which I had linked. They didn’t describe their methodology, but since PPIC employs solid social-scientists, it was probably a very valid one, perhaps superior to the approach I used.
Meanwhile, the 2016 figures you quoted appear to be “raw” rather than age-standardized. And the difference in the H/W incarceration rates appear to be pretty similar to the impact of age-adjustment when I applied it.
Notice that the white incarceration rate has dropped by a suspiciously large factor, and that entirely accounts for the ratio change. CA whites are generally much older than CA Hispanics.
It’s absolutely true that American-born Hispanics have considerably higher crime rates than immigrant ones (though some of the wildly exaggerated claims floating around are completely ridiculous). But I addressed exactly this issue in my paper:
Since another eight years have gone by (during which new Latin American immigration sharply declined), by now I’d think a very large fraction of all prime-crime age Latinos are American-born.
So any large increase in Latino crime rates would have already manifested itself, and it hasn’t.
You’re unconvinced there has been a massive influx from south of the border in your lifetime? Then you are a liar or an utter fool. They’re still walking in from Mexico every single day and have been for decades.
Our workplace has three young Mexican-“American” women (late teens to thirty) whom I’ve gotten to know over the years. One of them has parents who were both born in Mexico and came here young. A second girl says that “a couple of my grandparents” came here from Mexico. The third gal, I don’t know.
Get out and talk to Mexicans here and find out when their families immigrated. Most came in the past fifty years, even in California. The State of New Mexico is somewhat different in that respect, but an insignificant share of the US Hispanic population lives in NM.
They should do exactly what you propose, Mark, and pass each incremental piece of immigration restriction with votes from swing-State or swing-district Democrats.
Its a greater “distortion” than you have perhaps considered. WV is a giant welfare state (thanks Sen Byrd!) and location of prisons is usually determined based on “economic” considerations. Urban ghetto/barrio criminals are sent to prisons in overwhelmingly white rural areas to “create jobs” – but then invariably the Affirmative Action crowd demands that a percentage of the jobs go to the same class from which the convicts are drawn. So a 99% white county in hickville suddenly gets an influx of Africans or Indians hitherto unknown and a concomitant increase in African/Indian crime and general dysfunction.
If you think about it, it’s just the existing precursor to Obama’s AFFH.
Only if you have credible data on demographics of population and prison inmates. This is not the case, I think.
Let suppose that you can prove that 18-25 male refugees in Sweden have the same criminality as the native Swedes in the same age group. Then obviously you are not permitted to make statements about higher criminality of the refugees but when you look at general crime statistics you see an increase. And this is because in the refugee demographics the 18-25 males constitute several times higher fraction than in the native population. From the point of view of society there is the same negative impact regardless of equal criminalities for age corrected groups of refugees and natives. The 18-25 age male group is more criminogenic, so when this group disproportionately is represente among immigrants or refugees it is technically correct to make statements that these refuges or immigrants are more criminogenic and they will increase crime rates.
Something happened on my computer and I broke the thread. I responded to you at #497.
You are correct but when you say “distorts the results” you really mean the results that you do not like. You did not have qualms to write this dubious statement
based also on some distortions stemming from low Hispanic population in WV because it was a nice punch in your line of arguments you could not resist it so you delivered it.
While the federal prisons population is less than 10% of all incarcerated in the US it somehow should be accounted for in any analysis.
I do not know how big a phenomenon it is but I have heard that in CDC some Hispanic inmates prefer to pass for Whites or even Filipinos to avoid the immense pressure of being drafted to Mexican or Chicano prison gangs that conduct pretty vicious warfare against each other.
Same in the US. Furthermore, if you self-identify as something that is not really a race [such as African], that is how you’re counted. I know this because I worked on the 2010 Census, so don’t bother asking for a link.
“Still for many working class whites who have proudly never claimed welfare, this is a huge issue”.
To wit:
“Ask not what the country can do for you , but ask what you can do for the country.”
This ethical standard , it seems only that group of White people have it, with a few exceptions added from other ethnics. You do not see this on a widespread social level with Blacks, Hispanic immigrants, Asians or Jews in the USA, They all have seem to have majorities that act on if you can get some benefit(fair or fraud) from the US entity, it is yours for the taking. Of course this pisses off people who built this country that is it being taken from, or who are descendants of the same. Those who never asked for anything and never will, and of which some gave all.
Re the first paragraph,the problem is a certain “quality” of people in question. Let’s leave it there.
That’s for moving things from below.
Re the second, the problem IS that the Trump is trying to run a superpower as a business. BTW, I seem to remember he’s had a couple of bankruptcy or two, so far.
That’s for moving things from above.
It’s obvious what’s been happening and, more importantly, what is likely to happen.
Hehe….we’ll adapt, I hope.
As Lee Kuan Yew said, people vote their race and religion and not their economic interests.
California is going to become another failed Mexican narco state and then white people are going to have to clean it out.
That last part will be bloody.
Hey troll, this isn’t the comment section at the Daily Mail. If you want to seem the least bit credible then at least you should know that Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. That was Tiny Fey.
Well, like I said, you’d apparently just Googled some website listing state incarceration statistics. Since some of these sharply differed with the ones in my 2010 article, you more-or-less denounced me as a research fraud for not having updated my paper to reflect this new data. But when I actually looked at the website, they explicitly stated that no new BOJ data had been released since 2006, and they’d therefore been forced to use far less reliable methods. This suggests that you are rather careless in your research skills.
The population of Vermont includes barely a sliver of blacks, so if a large federal prison where located there, an incompetent researcher might discover that 70% of all the black males in Vermont were criminals, and try to determine what mysterious factor in Vermont society caused such extremely high rates of black criminality.
The incarceration statistics you cited for Hispanics in WV were *ridiculously* high, which is what led me to take a closer look at the website and discover the very severely flawed methodology it was forced to rely upon. You seemed to accept those ridiculous figures, which makes me wonder about your common sense.
You’ve published around 850,000 words of comments on my website, and from what I vaguely recall, a good number of them included all sorts of complex statistical arguments intended to debunk the findings of hereditarian IQ researchers. That you apparently accepted those totally ridiculous WV statistics without suspecting any underlying problem makes me wonder whether you actually understand any of those statistical formulas you have sometimes cited…
Actually, here’s another interesting data-point on Hispanic/white relations in CA…
We have a top-two system, so Dianne Feinstein’s opponent in the general election was left-liberal Hispanic Kevin de Leon, president of the State Senate. Feinstein was expected to easily crush him, but she only won by 9 points. The reason he did so well was that he got a large majority of the (overwhelmingly white) Republican vote, while Feinstein crushed him 2-to-1 among Democrats.
De Leon had made authorship of the CA “Sanctuary State” legislation his top priority, and was very liberal in general, actually winning the official endorsement of the CA Democratic Party against Feinstein, a moderate.
De Leon didn’t have any real money for advertising, so this being California, I doubt whether most voters, Democrat or Republican, were too familiar with him as a candidate until they got their ballot. I’m pretty sure most of the Republicans supported him because they didn’t like Feinstein and therefore voted for “the other guy.”
Still, if the white conservatives who constitute the Republican voters were strongly suspicious of CA Latinos, let alone Latinos who champion illegal immigrant rights and “Sanctuary State” laws, they probably would have abstained, so I think the results tend to support my views that whites and Latinos get along pretty well.
For example, suppose that Stacey Abrams, that leftist black in Georgia, had been running against a moderate white Democrat. I really doubt that most white Georgia Republicans have voted for her, even for tactical reasons.
Nope. It was strategic.
Getting rid of Feinstein was so attractive and we would simply be replacing the the Senior Democrat from CA with a Junior senator from CA.
Even though De Leon scares me he was the better choice there …
Quite happy to by concidence reading all this.
You do not seem to have a clue how reports about the immigrant crimes increase could be read and seen here in NW Europe for say five years.
The news from Dutch friends in Sweden changed over time: ‘it was not that bad’, say five years ago, to a year ago ‘so great, this Swedish naivity, “anyone must be helped’”.
I’m not dependent on any website, I can read in four languages, have of course internet, Dutch cable tv and a satellite receiver.
If, over the years, the news about Sweden is consistent, ever more troubles and no go areas, and I see that the party that ruled Sweden for decades has no longer a majority, a new right nationalistic party, recently, I am still to believe that there are no major immigrant problems in Sweden ?
In all this fits that ordinary citizens began patrolling the streets at night, that a high police functionary states that women should not be in the street at night, and, reporting an immigrant rape is racist.
Denying the problems, as is the case in Germany, Belgium and France.
The problems must be denied, because Brussels wants even more migrants, these are needed to establish the Fourth Reich.
So maybe you now understand that there are consistent patterns, geographically, politically, and over time.
BTW, there is relatively little rape in the Netherlands, contrary to for example Britain, do not know why, but we have more than enough ordinary immigrant crimes, liquidations etc every day.
It seems what prompts “Immigration” are public works projects which require a labor force that exceeds the available sources. Chinese were hauled to America to work on railroad construction, along with people of other nationalities. Vietnamese (My wife being among them) immigrated with their returning soldier husbands, while their families tagged along under the program to reward their soldiers and families who aided U.S. forces. In this day and age, under the aegis of so-called “Globalism”, jobs are leaving America for those nations that welcome manufacturing or other processes that have been red-taped, unionized and litigated to death in our country. Hence, America does not have a worker-deficiency problem. Whatever public works projects are pending could easily be manned with multitudes of available American laborers. Bottom line, Immigration is not required under any circumstances, and should be curtailed as America strives to rebuild sovereignty and economic self-sufficiency from resources within our borders.
Yes, I made a mistake in case of WV because I did not read the footnote. Actually the number seemed way too high to me but I thought that perhaps Appalachians had an open season for Hispanics so I took it. My excuse was believing in white racism too much. But you are not off the hook. After removing the federal prisoners for WV statistics we get
West Virginia 396 W, 370 H
and there are still
Louisiana 675 W, 1114 H
Arkansas 593 W, 915
How do we get from these numbers the age adjusted rates to be three to four times higher for Whites than for Hispanics? This site
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/20/the-nations-latino-population-is-defined-by-its-youth/
tells me that in the 18-33 age bracket Whites are 20% and Hispanics are 26%. This gives us 1.3 factor. But we need much more to get your numbers.
The adjustments for age and gender Mr. Unz did are reasonable, as I stated, but the main error is the conflation of federal arrests with federal incarcerations I mentioned here: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2624565
I will use graphs so you can visualize what I mean.
Federal arrests by offense:
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20181115181814/http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/10/immigration-offenses-make-up-a-growing-share-of-federal-arrests/
Federal incarcerations by offense:
Source: Carson, E. A. & Anderson, E. (2016). Prisoners in 2015. United States Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. – https://web.archive.org/web/20181115182318/https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/federal-prisons-crossroads/
The vast majority of federal immigration apprehensions and arrests result in detention and “Catch and Release” and not in federal incarceration as I mentioned here: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2623104
Meaning that most of these people that get apprehended or arrested on immigration violations, e.g. illegally entering the U.S. etc., never get processed in the federal prison system, but are either very quickly deported/removed or send into/processed in the federal civil immigration detention system http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2623142 or released (e.g. “Catch and Release” if there is not enough space for them in the federal immigration detention system) to await their asylum/immigration case court hearings, to which many of them don’t show up to.
What Mr. Unz did, as far as I can tell, in his analysis is to assume a reduction of 50% (the federal arrest percentage which are immigration-related arrests) in the federal Hispanic incarceration rate, since he considers immigration violations not a real/criminal act, but, assumingly, just a civil violation e.g. ” illegal nannies convicted of illegal nannying.”:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#p_1_14:1-131 and http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#p_1_17:1-117
But federal authorities already do this by sending most immigration violators into the federal immigration detention system and not into the federal incarceration/prison system or by “Catching and Releasing” them (see above), so reducing by or reclassifying 50% of the Hispanic federal prison population as not criminal because they are immigration violators is not accurate, in my opinion.
Of the about 170,000 total annual federal arrests http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/10/immigration-offenses-make-up-a-growing-share-of-federal-arrests/ of which about 50% (roughly 85,000) are immigration related only very few end up in the federal prison system, I believe.
I don’t have the exact figures on this but it must be well under 10,000 each year, since of the federal inmate population of about 190,000 only around 7 to 8% or roughly 15,000 are incarcerated for immigration violations (see above), but over 80,000 annually get arrested for immigration violations.
Most Hispanic inmates are in federal custody for drug offenses and not immigration offenses: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621043
So ignoring Hispanic federal incarcerations and only focusing on Hispanic state incarcerations distorts the Hispanic crime picture, in my opinion.
To make a long story short, this is what I’m talking about (my emphasis):
– http://archive.is/hqM10#selection-623.0-653.1
I might be wrong, so please correct or enlighten me if you think so, but the numbers just don’t seem to add up, in my opinion.
I also just saw that Mr. Unz’s “The Myth of Hispanic Crime” article/paper is the number one search result on Google for the search term “Hispanic crime”, which probably means that Google and pro-immigration activists are using the article to promote their open borders and amnesty agenda, so it would probably be good to correct it, *if my analysis is correct*.
You can sample all the skewed data you like from California’s diverse population, but you must walk-the-walk and talk-the-talk within an environment where Hispanics dominate the census. Example: I delivered a bank concession tent to the California State Capitol Building, where a Mexican Cinco De Mayo celebration was held on the western steps. Upon my return later that night to pick up the tent, the waning minutes of this event were marked by constant bellows from the band leader: “Viva La Mexico!!!” As Mexican flags were being waved and mounted above the American and California ensigns, this phrase was repeated at least twenty times. Needless to say, the consensus among the few gringos in attendance, or walking along the adjacent sidewalks was “If they miss it that much, why don’t they go back?” Indeed, why should they, when Hispanic dominated organizations operating in the US. campaign to return California to Mexico?
I don’t disagree. The Republicans in Congress are completely useless, because the GOP is owned by the open-borders lobby. If the GOP were interested in drastic immigration cuts, there would be no need for the type of bipartisan bargain that Mr Unz has proposed.
Does anybody have data, as to whether or not Prop 187 actually slowed down the demographic change of California?
People like to say that was the “last gasp” of White California, but is that accurate? Or did the demographic decline continue anyways?
Another thing: you would have to compare different “Hispanic” crime rates. Of course a 3/4 White Mexican might be alright, but the people coming over now are basically full feather Indians…
Do they have kids? The Hispanic birthrate is plummeting in the USA (much faster than White). Even the Mexican TFR is now below replacement (1.97 in 2017). I wonder if it will eventually converge with the Spanish and Portuguese rates of around 1.2-1.3
I don’t believe the border will ever be closed. But one way to mitigate it will be to allow the fertility rate of Hispanics to sink (progressive reproductive policies) and to keep the White birthrate relatively high. This will be achieved through economic policies, bringing back blue collar and rural prosperity.
Kavanaugh and guns were the two main reasons conservatives voted for De Leon. Punishment for leading the witch hunt and a desire to get rid of the assault weapons ban crank.
I just looked at this and you seem to have cherry-picked the years that you compared, 2014 and 2016. The series goes back to 2005 and when you look at the full series, the trend is far from obvious.
The appropriate graph is archived here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171118082717/https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistiska-undersokningar/nationella-trygghetsundersokningen.html
For example, if you just look at the time series form 2005 to 2014, a period in which I assume that plenty of immigrants were coming into the country. Over that time period there is, if anything, a downward trend. Just eyeballing it, anyway. Maybe you could say it’s stable. For some reason it jumps up after 2014. I anticipate that your explanation would be Muslim immigrants but if so, why was there not a steady rise throughout the previous decade.
I gather that T=this data is the result of a poll taken every year. They ask people whether they had been victims of different categories of crime in the previous year, I guess. I was kind of speculating (though I don’t know, obviously) that they changed the wording of the question at some point and got more positives as a result.
Well, in any case, I’m not actually committed to arguing that there has been no uptick whatsoever in crime in Sweden. It’s entirely possible. And it is also quite possible that, if there has been an increase, it could be attributable (or partly attributable maybe) to Muslim immigrants. It’s possible, but I don’t have the data to prove it to myself. When I ask people what proof they have of this, they invariably just respond by repeating the story.
What I am quite certain of, though, is that the portrayal of Sweden as a crime-ridden hellhole that you get from these people like Paul Joseph Watson and off of Breitbart and that whole constellation of “news sources” — that’s pretty clearly a fiction.
As for the “rape epidemic” stuff, the vast majority of the “rapes” reported in Sweden are people who knew each other and, for all I know, were even involved, or even married! Sweden pioneered the concept of “marital rape”, which is the notion that a man who obliges his wife to have sex when she’s not in the mood, is a rapist. And then if this happens twice a week for a year, it’s counted as 100 distinct rapes. So, the rise in the number of reported rapes has practically nothing to do with the “Muslim Rape epidemic” narrative anyway, which would be cases where some complete stranger drags off a woman and rapes her. As best I can tell, that kind of rape is very rare in Sweden.
As I said, when you get on social media, in particular, I find quora.com fairly useful, and you see when the topic comes up, the view expressed by the vast majority of people in Sweden, women in particular, is that Sweden is an extremely safe country. Basically, people who reside in Sweden pretty much invariably scoff at the notion that there is a huge crime epidemic going on.
The three southern states in Brazil are very White with the vast majority of its inhabitants being descended from the millions of European immigrants who arrived at the turn of the century and settled the region, The south has its own distinct culture and considers itself and is considered by the rest as different from the rest of the nation. Bolsonaro swept the south in the election, Also other European languages such as Italian German are widely spoken alongside Portuguese
Do you not understand that, if somebody asks you for proof of a story, your “proof” cannot be simply to repeat the story?
Actually, the above is a rhetorical question. I can see that you don’t understand that. Well, you’re in good company. At least half the commenters on this site also do not understand that.
Well, fine, but it doesn’t matter how many languages you can read or any of that. If you don’t understand that the proof of a story cannot be simply to repeat the story, then you are, unfortunately epistemologically crippled. Well, that just makes me you like most people, utterly helpless against the various synthetic narratives out there.
Now, as for why Sweden has this (alleged) Muslim rape epidemic while Holland does not, despite having about the same number of Muslims…. well, the country where I live, Spain, is also about 5% Muslim and has let in some Middle Eastern refugees (though nowhere near as many as Germany, I know) and I am quite confident that there is no rape epidemic going on at all, and certainly no “Muslim rape epidemic” here either.
As best I can understand this, the reason for this anomaly is that Sweden has been targeted for this propaganda attack, and Holland and Spain have not been. My considered view is that all three of the aforementioned countries are extremely safe overall and you would have to be pretty unlucky for very much to happen to you in any of them. (Though obviously, things do happen, but I’m talking statistical expectation obviously…)
Sure. But back when I’d published my article, the 2006 BOJ report (which I’d linked upthread), had the raw incarceration rates at W=392 and H=211. And when you adjust for the prime-crime age portion of the local population, you obviously need to do it separately for each state since the local age-curves differ. In the case of WV, the adjusted figure was 3-4x greater for whites, and the same was true for those other two states. It just came out that way.
I’d emphasized in my text that such a large white over-representation was very possibly due to an incarceration time-lag effect since Hispanics had only recently started to move to those states. The fact that the white over-representation had considerably dropped by the 2010 Census tends to support this.
Anyway, WV, AK, and LA are states with very few Hispanics, so they don’t really matter much, except as a curiosity. Meanwhile, as I noted upthread, the H/W ratios for states with large numbers of Hispanics, such as CA, TX, NY, and FL didn’t really change much at all, or at least the changes generally balanced out.
Maybe, but I really doubt that. I suspect you’re either not from CA, or being very political, don’t realize just how few CA voters pay any attention to politics.
Back in 1998, Gray Davis spent something like $100M in advertising and won his gubernatorial race by 20 points, the biggest landslide in modern CA history. Yet just 30 days after the vote, a poll showed that only half of *high-propensity* voters knew who they had just elected governor.
De Leon had been a top elected official for years and sponsor of the high-profile Sanctuary State legislation and lots of other things. He and Feinstein were the two real candidates on the primary ballot (all the others were unfunded random unknowns), yet he only got 12% of the vote, barely beating out one of the unknowns. That’s because very few CA voters had ever heard of him.
He didn’t have many money for TV and Feinstein didn’t bother spending much either, so I’ll bet that very few of the Republicans had ever heard of him, thinking he was just some random Latino Democrat. And since they didn’t like Feinstein, they voted for him instead. If CA Republicans were seriously nervous/hostile toward Latinos, they probably would have voted for Feinstein.
curious, I Bing’d Jefferson county mugshots
this is the link
https://mugshots.com/US-Counties/West-Virginia/Jefferson-County-WV/
if you check out the first group of mugshots, these are from the first twelve
Name: JUAN E MAPLES
Race: White
Name: JOSE I ZAVALA
Race: White
Is it possible the ADL also trained West Virginia’s law enforcement?
Not really. I just compared at the state-by-state incarceration statistics for Hispanics and whites since almost all ordinary street crimes are prosecuted at the state level, and there’s no way to tell where federal prisoners committed their crimes.
The fact that there’s such a huge “bulge” of Hispanics in federal prison is just puzzling. If it’s not immigration offenses, then I still think it’s probably cross-border drug-smugglers from Mexico who happen to get caught. This would also help to explain why an astonishing 26% of all federal inmates are aliens, a figure many times higher than any similar estimates for state prisons and jails:
https://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens
– https://web.archive.org/web/20181116010256/https://www.wired.co.uk/article/technology-fuels-crime-decline
This NY Times article is a perfect example of this:
The Myth of the Criminal Immigrant
By ANNA FLAGG MARCH 30, 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html
Why do New Yorkers want more surveillance cameras when crime is supposedly falling!?
Poll: New Yorkers Want More Surveillance Cameras
– https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/26/poll-new-yorkers-want-more-surveillance-cameras/ and https://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/quinnipiac-poll.pdf
Hispanics are also mostly concentrated in big cities which usually have much broader and better surveillance camera coverage than rural areas, which assists in crime prevention and solving:
The Most Spied Upon Cities in the World
These cities are home to more security surveillance cameras than anywhere else in the world.
– https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-spied-on-cities-in-the-world.html
These guys could pass for Sicilians. They don’t look particularly Aztec. Not even Mestizo.
Thank you for your feedback, Mr. Unz.
Mexicans (12.1%), Cubans (0.6%), Colombians (0.9%) and Dominicans (0.8%) are about 14% of the federal inmate population as of 27 October, 2018:
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp and http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2622883
Differences between Federal and State Prison Systems – What are they? – Prison Talk 1.7
Source: http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-do-you-call-the-opposite-of-a-nerd/#comment-2334327
Ron, I haven’t replied to your reply of a coupla’ days back due to doing my very important blogging work, along with other obligations, like, say, work. Just on this puzzlement of yours, could you sit back for a second and try to understand the concept of a different legal system (effectively) for illegal aliens vs. citizens and “nationals”.
I understand, and understood 2 days ago, that your essay from 8 years back was on Hispanics in general. It’s just that a not-easily-countable number of Hispanics ARE illegal aliens. Additionally, of the types of people who do violent crime an appreciable amount (I’m just trying to rule out the many illegal Chinese folks here), almost all of the illegal aliens doing it are Hispanics. You don’t seem to understand, or maybe never read about, guys getting arrested for serious crimes, including the drunk driving that’s killed many, skipping out on the legal system.
How do you think the court can catch up with an illegal Hispanic that has skipped out on a court date after bail was paid? He doesn’t even HAVE TO leave the country (but what’s stopping him?). The guy’s got a fake idea, and to an American, it’s pretty hard to distinguish among many thousands of 20-35 y/o Hispanic men in the one country. A criminal can just go hang out at the trailer with his friends, and lay low for long enough. Yes, I know about fingerprints and DNA, but then, he’d have to get arrested again for another crime to be found for the first one. Many will take this chance. If he does leave the country, then he can come back another year (what’s stopping him?), get a different ID, and try to turn over a new leaf, so as not to get arrested for anything else, which MAY lead to the 1st crime. (Or in a sanctuary city, he’ll just be let go before ICE can get him)
Here’s the point, in a nutshell: The number of criminals != the number of people incarcerated.
Now, as to my other points, that you blew off with other commenters too, some of them were answered here by commenters subsequent to your last reply to me. I think they haven’t rebutted all that I was going to, so maybe later on. I read your whole previous paper and was not convinced of anything.
You’ve got to realize that this is sociological issue, and not something like a physical process which can be explained and left for others to (try to) see any flaws in. It would take someone with years of experience in the justice system to really give good answers. He could really have a handle on all the assumptions involved. I wouldn’t expect you to know all of the ins-and-outs of Hispanic crime, but from viewing your comments here, I can see you are not this expert. I’m not either, but I don’t claim to have this astonishing solution to solve our immigration problems.
And no, NO MORE AMNESTIES!
Hispanics don’t tend to “corner deal”. That is usually blacks. You’ll be busted within 2 weeks standing on a corner selling drugs. It is far harder for cops to get a search warrant for a house and half the time the dealers in the house know they are under suspicion and stop dealing before they are raided. If you watch episodes of COPS, most of the time the cops follow a car from a known crack house and pull it over but they don’t bother with the occupants selling the drugs because they know they need a warrant.
Murders on public streets where there are cameras are rare. Generally, people are killed inside or in secluded places.
In robberies, usually the perpetrators where a disguise. Professional criminals who target commercial buildings and spend 3 months planning the robbery are rarely caught.
This ignores the possibility of a non-linear relationship between percentage of Hispanics and crime, that the levels of crime seen south of the border may be an emergent property of mestizo society when mestizos come to utterly dominate it, but perhaps not before.
The levers of power are still largely attended in the U.S. by sober-minded legacy Americans and the country’s institutions manned by high-trust groups. Could the corrosive product of all individual acts of civic subversion seen in a population ill-disposed for high civilization be orders of magnitude higher when that population is 80 percent of the population versus 40?
Jobs that pay $15/hr may well keep military-age mestizos from hoisting the black flag and declaring war against all as they do throughout their homelands with horrific regularity. But it is the very absence of such men in large numbers that allows the social capital that is the prerequisite for $15/hr jobs to exist at all. And this may be in no small part related to the moth-like attraction of the mestizo to socialism’s consuming flame as further attested by their multi-generational voting record here.
As you have not infrequently highlighted, population distributions matter, especially at the tails. And it seems mestizos are to Wild-West violence and civic degeneracy what Jews are to philosophy and the sciences. There were few famous Jewish physicists 200 years ago. But this was only because the conditions weren’t right, not because Jews were suddenly endowed with searing genius over a couple generations.
In the same way, removed from the ancestral habitat in which the death-worshipping Aztecs’ heirs can achieve their highest body count, there are few super-sicarios plaguing Los Angeles today. But lists like this give us indubitable evidence of how that might change, given demographic trends.
Given the near universality of blood-curdling violence throughout mestizo society, reason would dictate that the burden of proof would be on population-replacement enthusiasts to show that our brown future is more San Diego and less Acapulco, leaving aside the serious long-term problems of generalized white decline.
Tijuanification is betting everything on an anti-jackpot, dodging steamrollers for pennies. Winning involves a few extra GDP points. Losing involves the destruction of All That’s Good.
RACE & PRISON
Whitey Bulger represented the last of the real professional white criminals from ethnic gangs in the inner-cities who once bulged the penal system-a first-generation American who grew up in a bad Irish neighborhood. Bad white neighborhoods don’t exist anymore because European immigrants have assimilated and most whites live in suburbs. There is not the same degree of urban poverty.
Fewer whites want to be professional car thieves or burglars. It just isn’t worth being a sex slave in prison. Prior to three-strikes law, there were more white criminals. But a great many whites just decided to make a living doing something else.
In the old days, the worst offenders were white teenagers like the Sean Penn character in BAD BOYS. But these days if you are sixteen and commit Mick O’Brien’s crimes-robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, driving a stolen vehicle, manslaughter-you are going to adult prison instead of doing three years in reform school (Penn would commit more crimes like bludgeoning other teens with pillowcases full of soda cans). Many juvenile offenders, especially white ones, don’t want to go to adult prison.
Most whites in prison today are drug addicts or sex offenders. The days of the professional white cat burglar are well-nigh over. The biggest reason is sodomy. The second would be long prison sentences. Fewer whites want to make a living at crime when they are doing 40 years.
That tipping point might have been reached in L.A.?
Top 60 metropolitan areas, by Hispanic population
http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/hispanic-population-in-select-u-s-metropolitan-areas/
In Los Angeles, homicides are down, but violent crime is up for the fourth year in a row
The Los Angeles Police Department did not make an official available to discuss the crime trends. A spokeswoman said no one could speak on the topic until a news conference in late January.
Earlier this year, a similar media event that was planned to discuss 2016 crime numbers never occurred. – http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-crime-stats-20171230-story.html
Great resource from The Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO):
In January 2007, our office released the first edition of California’s Criminal Justice System: A Primer to provide the public, media, and policymakers some basic information on the state’s criminal justice system, caseloads, costs, trends, and outcomes. This publication provides more up-to-date data, generally through 2011.
Source: https://lao.ca.gov/reports/2013/crim/criminal-justice-primer/criminal-justice-primer-011713.aspx and https://web.archive.org/web/20181116032313/https://lao.ca.gov/reports/2013/crim/criminal-justice-primer/criminal-justice-primer-011713.aspx
Fewer Immigrants Are Reporting Domestic Abuse. Police Blame Fear of Deportation.
Police departments in several cities with large Hispanic populations, including Los Angeles, Denver and San Diego, also experienced a decline in reports of domestic violence and sexual assault in their Hispanic communities. In Houston, Latino domestic violence reports went down even as the city’s Hispanic community, now 44 percent of the population, grew significantly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/03/us/immigrants-houston-domestic-violence.html
What you suggest might actually be the real reason for the supposed “El Paso Miracle” https://reason.com/archives/2009/07/06/the-el-paso-miracle
Why El Paso prospers as Juarez struggles
– https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/09/23/el-paso-prospers-juarez-struggles
– https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/report-el-paso-one-of-countrys-safest-cities
The Constitution in the 100-Mile Border Zone
Many people think that border-related policies only impact people living in border towns like El Paso or San Diego. The reality is that Border Patrol’s interior enforcement operations encroach deep into and across the United States, affecting the majority of Americans.
The regulations establishing the 100-mile border zone were adopted by the U.S. Department of Justice in 1953—without any public comments or debate. At the time, there were fewer than 1,100 Border Patrol agents nationwide; today, there are over 21,000.
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
All true, but, keep in mind the healthcare problem is a more immediate issue and a more visceral problem than eventually having to sell ass somewhere to survive.
The faster a healthcare matter can be settled the faster we can get other problems on the plate.
To put a face to this fact, observe the case of prominent NorCal White Trashionalist, Kevin Crawford Kraft :
http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof
Despite the pristine Anglo-Saxon name, he is the very personification of White Trashionalist 70-IQ dysfunction.
He gets arrested every 60 days or so, as per the mugshot link above. The two-year gap between arrests were only due actual time in prison. Yet, he is considered a leading light in the movement and a central part of the NorCal wing of White Trashionalism as per his followers on Stormfront.
Since writing the above I have been wondering: do you think I’m so stupid as to believe what one or two websites assert ?
The great thing about truth is consistency, the news about Swedish developments has been fairly consistent for at least five years.
Denials of course are part of this consistency, the for decades ruling Swedish party of course could not, and cannot, admit the truth.
Politicians do not make mistakes.
On top of that, they fear civil war, a civil war that already in 2005 existed in France.
On the other hand, maybe the ruling class wants this civil war, at some point in time, when police can no longer handle it: the EU army that Merkel wants, bringing peace and complete dictatorial rule, by the EU clique.
Sexual offenses in Sweden increased by factor of 2.5 from 2014 to 2016.
” . . . [N]ormal people have no idea the Clockwork Orange-style mayhem that goes on in most cities at night when middle-class whites are safely in their houses.”
Agree. I mentioned in a comment a while back the elderly woman who sassed a local gangbanger maybe in the mid-1980s. Her garage was torched. She moved. Her family had built the house she lived in about 1910. No matter. The gangbangers, at that time at least, were effectively an unelected extra-legal authority.
Unz Review readers who want the slightest glimpse of feral America ought to get a 30-day bus pass, and ride with some of the folks who make up that America.
One of the strange things is that in Canada Indians-particularly Sikhs-took to crime quickly. But in the US, Indian-Americans have been relatively well-behaved.
No Indian-American neighborhood has gangsters. But East Vancouver and Brampton are getting as bad as LA.
Indians I knew in Dubai would move to Brampton and then leave, claiming the Indo-Canadians had just gone plain crazy.
He is hardly a rich dangerous mafioso like the Russians or Italians in New York.
One of the problems with the so-called White Supremacists is that they are not supreme at anything…Anglin, Spencer, Tommy, Milo are all nobodies or homosexuals. None of them are millionaires or powerful or seemingly intelligent. Milo french kisses his boyfriend in public; Anglin is a dork; Spencer was a perpetual student at 30 something.
If Kraft is the leader of the white race and he goes to jail for petty offenses like being drunk in public than whites don’t stand a chance, do they?
I r.ode the public bus
Brampton is a joke, the Sikhs there are turning it into a shithole. The government keeps piping them in, though. The 2nd generation Sikhs seems to have adopted the toxic black culture too. Brampton is the butt of every joke in Ontario.
I knew Indians in Dubai that MOVED BACK to India after moving to Brampton.
What was their refrain?
“I thought Canada was white.”
America is becoming the Congo, Guatemala, Pakistan, and Homosexual Haven.
It is very sad what is happening to our country.
Does anyone think this is a good thing?
The cause is liberals and cowardly conservatives.
On Merkel:
https://tpook.nl/2018/11/16/video-farage-verwacht-excuses-van-merkel-voor-het-vluchtelingen-debacle/
Meanwhile, I have tried to prove to myself I’m wrong. Well, I haven’t actually gone to Sweden to check, but there is a lot of social media out there, for example. One site I looked at is called quora.com. A Q&A site.
I am surprised that hardcore skeptic like you trusts, of all places, Quora as a reliable source.
1/ Ouora is hard core SJW site. Anything even slightly “racist”, “fascist”, “conspirational”, “homophobic”, “islamophobic” or “anti-semitic” is swiftly deleted and the offender banned, in the name of “Be Nice Be Respectful”. Do you realy think they would let stand any stories about rape in Sweden?
2/To register at Quora, you need only fakebook account, and anyone in the world can make as many FB accounts as he/she/they/zir/xir want. How can you know that the happy Swedish women enjoying the multicultural paradise actually are what they claim to be? You cannot.
They faked 9/11 and numerous other incidents, created thousands of false persons to be spectacularly killed, do you think it would be a problem for them to hire few interns to sit in cubicles all day and post these stories, each using twenty names?
If the information in the following document is correct, then immigration from south of the border is a very bad deal:
Fiscal Impact of Whites, Blacks and Hispanics
Percentage of taxes paid by whites: 75.85%
Percentage of taxes paid by blacks: 8.13%
Percentage of taxes paid by Hispanics: 8.84%
Those seem somewhat under their respective population percentages.
Here’s another data-point that supports my analysis of California society these days…
Silicon Valley is obviously a very liberal area, and those ideological perspectives are reflected in the San Jose Mercury News. One of the local columnists is (Hispanic) Sal Pizarro, who mostly covers uncontroversial issues like the opening of a new ice-skating rink or the annual Christmas in the Park holiday celebration.
His column this morning discussed the new inductees to the San Jose Hall of Fame, emphasizing their welcome “diversity.” As you might guess, support for “diversity” is a pretty uncontroversial position around here:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/15/san-jose-sports-hall-of-fame-showcases-star-inductees-and-diversity/
Interestingly enough, a couple of the awardees seem to have been black (blacks constitute 3% of the local population), and all the others were white European (though one was half-Japanese). One-third of the local population is Hispanic, yet the Hispanic columnist didn’t seem to regard the absence of any Hispanic awardees as anything worth noticing or considering non-diverse. This hardly suggests any strident Hispanic ethnocentricism in the region.
Similarly, the huge new local library built a couple of decades ago was named after Martin Luther King, even though MLK had absolutely no connection to the city and almost no blacks live in San Jose, which is 70% Asian and Latino. Nobody regarded that as odd, and I’m sure that for similar reasons, lots of important things in 2% black Vermont are also named after MLK.
Here’s another piece by a longtime LA Times political columnist describing how the Republicans were further annihilated in the recent CA election:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/16/skelton-how-california-blue-wave-wiped-out-republicans/
It’s perfectly fine if you want to criticize Silicon Valley or CA as much as you’d like, but you should do so on grounds that have some connection with reality…
You’re almost there. You’ve almost noticed that most Latino types, deep down at least, think of themselves as white. They’re mixed European, worship a mostly European faith and are the inheritors to Spanish Conquistador culture. It isn’t that surprising.
The first question is: does that last in a centrifugal society with endless immigration?
Also, can it survive many generations of people noticing that they achieve less, as a group, without serious resentment taking over?
I’d say no to the first but yes to the second.
Any person of any skin colour can adopt “white bourgeois values”. Having said that, your California dystopian Elysium of wealthy, smug boomers selling out what should have been their posterity for cheap lawn mowering is not exactly encouraging.
Sorry, and “no” to the second. I wrote in a confusing manner.
BAHAHA yeah honestly that doesnt susprise me. Sometimes I feel bad for the Indians who come here, only to be immersed back into their native problems. Not all Indian immigrants are bad, but Trudeau seems to bring in the worst Sikhs. The good ones would no doubt be disappointed.
The idea of “model minority” will soon be disproved. Canadians thought that all Indians are very smart, nice and hardworking because in the past only the 0.1% were coming here. Now we’re getting into the 1%, and the quality is really dropping. People will soon see why India is a shithole.
That said. Canada is a white country, just don’t go to Toronto or Vancouver.
Can’t complain too much though, GTA acts as a sink and keeps these filthy immigrant hordes away from the rest of us.
France got along with Lebanon and Haiti as colonies better just as French in Canada always got along with Natives better so Lebanese and Haitian immigrants to Montreal/Quebec seemed to want or be willing to fit in better and aspired to be Frenchman.
But Indians and Jamaicans have always resent English colonial rule and bring that attitude to Ontario or Vancouver. They can get along and assimilate in Quebec better.
Indians actually have a better standard of living in Dubai than Canada. When they arrive in Brampton they find themselves living with 2 other families in a basement. Unlike the US, unemployment is a bit higher in Canada and more of them end up doing what they regard as degrading jobs.
Hispanic intermarriage rates with whites (notably Irish Catholics) is very high. The offspring produced are visually going to be considered just generic whites in America.
If not for the high ongoing influx of new Hispanics, a large portion of the group would just vanish into the white population over a generation or two.
“Silicon Valley is obviously a very liberal area..” Just as Washington is a very liberal area. Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, etc. Anywhere there’s big money floating around, and a playing field that needs leveling (See “Socialism”) you’ll find liberals. Courts, social programs, political planks, special protections for minorities and women, enforced fairness and speech codes combine to erect the liberal panacea for an all-inclusive social structure that restricts individual ambition and advantages factions based upon liberal criteria: Alien Status, for example. That Jews in Silicon Valley are filthy rich, and are now dictating the content of the internet to ensure nobody gets their feelings hurt, or no conservative influences poison the minds of future business leaders (See “Competitors”.) is ancillary to the issue of these quasi-egalitarian zealots plying the gentry with their crocodile-tear pabulum. Here’s something the Puffy Lips (Liberals) can wiggle around: Casinos are popping up on every vacant lot in California, while the lottery is raking-in loads of money for the state (See “The Mob”…) One of the liberal’s never-ending campaigns to save the children of the world is to ensure the little boogers are not exposed to second-hand tobacco smoke. OMG!!! Before these kids are 10 years old, they’ll expire from cancer and emphysema!!!! So, if there’s any chance at all that a child will be affected with this noxious smoke, the perps who puff on those coffin nails will be subjected to the third liberal degree. That’s funny, because the casino I visit occasionally hosts lots of little kids, and the quality of the air inside is roughly equivalent to a Space Shuttle launch. Why aren’t liberals screaming at 300 decibels about this egregious exposure of these children to such health hazards? This is not to mention their parents losing their nest eggs buying lottery tickets, or plunging their life savings into slot machines (A couple at said facility left their infant child in their car while they gambled for hours..) I can’t help but wonder why Puffy Lips aren’t parading back and forth at that casino to protest such conditions.
The vast majority of the Hispanic population lives within the “100-miles border zone” https://www.cato.org/blog/introducing-checkpoint-america , which is much better monitored and staffed by law enforcement than the rest of the country (especially along the southern border, where most of the Hispanic population in the U.S. is concentrated), and which in turn should suppress Hispanic crime rates in a significant way (see the example of the “El Paso Miracle” in my above comment).
U.S. Border Patrol personnel, for example, quadrupled over the last 20 years:
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Provost
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol
If the Hispanic population starts to move out of the “100-miles border zone” and/or there are cuts to law enforcement budgets the true potential for criminality of the Hispanic population will come to the surface.
Cities Spend More and More on Police. Is It Working? https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-07-07/cities-spend-more-and-more-on-police-is-it-working
How Much Do U.S. Cities Spend On Policing? https://www.statista.com/chart/10593/how-much-do-us-cities-spend-on-policing/ and http://archive.is/Cu6rT
Private Security Outnumbers The Police In Most Countries Worldwide [Infographic] https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/08/31/private-security-outnumbers-the-police-in-most-countries-worldwide-infographic/
The more I have researched this topic over the last several days the more I have come to the conclusion that the Hispanic population in the U.S. is a ticking time bomb and a disaster waiting to happen.
Source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/hispanic-population-by-county/
Source: https://www.wired.com/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/
Functional whites (the Top 80%) are nothing like that. We exhibit excellence.
The bottom 20% of whites comprise a defective subrace where the genetic waste matter collects for the purpose of removal from the evolutionary stream. The unusually high variance found within whites makes this bottom 20% subrace unique to our race. The men of this defective subrace become White Trashionalists, and the women become fat bluehaired feminists.
Kevin Crawford Kraft is certainly a personification of dysfunction. But he and other WNs have as little to do with functional whites as a Pygmy from the Congo has to do with Usain Bolt.
Agree, whites have a vast bell curve running from low IQ to genius whereas Asians, Jews and high-caste Indians fall into the bright-normal range on average.
My friend was working in the border zone. Him and some tough hombres. He had to ban them from visiting the local town.
The local danger didn’t have names like John Smith. The clientele, at the outside of town motorbike bar, agreed that even steely eyed hombres like my friend’s colleagues must not go out in that town.
My friend was reckless, got drunk and went out there one night. He had fun with the Mexican chicks. I hear there’s something especially exciting about alcohol, young ladies and an atmopshere of danger.
Now he’s older, I doubt he’d make the same decision.
Indians’ excellence is exhibited in their inability to solve a basic sanitation problem – street defecation.
JS, this item below (edited) from my local paper today:
“Four city men were cited Wednesday on misdemeanor theft charges, accused of stealing sidewalk slabs.”
“[The alleged perpetrators] are all cited after police caught up to a truck and trailer just after 11 a.m. at Oak Hill and Parkwood avenues on the South Side.”
“Police were called to a nearby street for a report of men digging up a sidewalk, and in the trailer police found there were six sidewalk slabs.”
“The slabs were given to the street department . . .”.
You can’t persuade the unpersuadable of anything, but I think a bus tour with a big-time gutsy tour guide doing a well-scripted narrative of the feral American ‘hood might open a few eyes. There are cities and neighborhoods in cities where even the sidewalks can’t rest in peace in broad daylight.
Call it the New Barbarism, or sumpin’.
Now, I’m not going to claim that gun control is the only factor at play here. There are so many cultural factors at work, it’s impossible to single out this one issue as the only important one. Gun control advocates will credit gun control for low homicides, and blame everything else for high homicides. The truth is far more complex.
[…]
It is instructive that, on the northern side of the border, meanwhile, there is still a drug war, there is a lot of ethnic diversity, and the US border areas have some of the highest poverty rates in the United States. And yet, homicide rates are far, far below what they are on the southern side. Indeed, right along the border, they’re among the lowest rates we see anywhere in the world.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20181116204647/https://mises.org/wire/borderland-homicides-show-mexicos-gun-control-has-failed
It is kind of comical to me that many libertarians are totally clueless to the fact or intentionally ignore that the low crime rates along the southern border can be directly attributed/linked to more not less government presence, control and interference in people’s lives. They try to spin the low crime rates along the southern border as a result of less gun control etc. on the U.S. side of the border or some other spurious free market and libertarian reasoning/thinking, when in fact the southern border is one of the most militarized/”governmentized” regions on the planet: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/01/us/border-army-troops-migrant-caravan.html
Even the FBI warns/cautions against relying too much on superficial crime statistics. I really hope Mr. Unz reconsiders and reassesses his earlier analysis and factors in all the data I shared in this comments thread:
Border Communities Have Lower Crime Rates
Texas counties along the Rio Grande are relatively safe, state and federal crime statistics show, and they seem to be getting even safer as more law enforcement resources pour into the area.
– https://web.archive.org/web/20181116202729/https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02/23/border-communities-have-lower-crime-rates/
Things like alcohol are much cheaper across the border and that is why people still go to Mexico despite the risks, but some never return alive from their “adventures” south of the border…
Texas Prison Documentary 2017: Hispanic Gangs TERRORIZE EL Paso Jail County
http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/woman-raped-in-swedish-playground-by-three-africans/
even if this is true, so what if some racist Nazi bitch get what she deserves?
When you consider all the benefits that Sweden gets from immigration (none), what’s the big deal if a few of the reluctant ladies are cajoled to have a little fun?
She’s just one bitch out of millions! What’s the f’n big deal?!
I wonder if the higher murder rate in Mexico is due to the fact that nobody ever gets caught in Mexico so it is just easier to leave the bodies in place (it also makes a better statement). The drug murders by the cartel affiliates in the US have to be more like the Italian mafia so as to keep the police from doing anything. The Italians dispose of the body and the cops never do much in the way of investigating a disappeared mafioso. A missing gang member would probably also result in police indifference versus a dead body. It would also result in no added murder to the statistics.
That last part probably will be physically impossible. Whites comprise a smaller proportion of CA’s population with each passing year, possibly without exception for several decades now. There may be more Asians than whites in CA within just one more generation.
Maybe you are counting on white people (or whatever sensible people) in the rest of the country to demand that the federal military storm in and clean the illegal aliens and other criminals out of the State. That seems very unlikely, doesn’t it? We elected the current president in large part because he promised to take much lesser measures than that, and he has allowed both legal and illegal immigration to continue virtually unabated.
One can hope. But one can also join the crowd of civilized, industrious, English-speaking people FLEEING California, which seems to be the choice that most have made.
You like that they dress like hookers. Kinda fits.
I’m in California, follow CA politics fairly closely, and I agree with Peripatetic.
I voted for De Leon for several reasons, and a big one was simply voting against the incumbent.
A second reason was that, no matter how destructive De Leon’s anti-nation ideas are, he would be a first-term senator with no seniority, compared to Feinstein, who is one of the very most senior senators in that not-so-august body. California’s US Senators having less powerful committee assignments and less clout, can only be good (or less bad) for the country as a whole.
Seems like European men need to get out on the street and escort and protect their women from violence, harassment, and intimidation — wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, neighbors, whoever. Then again, to be fair, isn’t that true to some extent of north American men as well.
When police officers refuse to help catch an attacker, or when they lie about who the attacker was, the European men need to direct their attention forcefully to those traitorous police. Push them out of their jobs so that real men can take over. Consider shunning them, or worse, until they leave their towns or regions entirely.
Police, prosecutors, and politicians who favor foreign attackers and harassers over their own people, are traitorous cowards and should be treated accordingly.
Hispanics in California speak clear English??? Often not the case in our years here so far, and doesn’t seem to be improving, at least in LA and Orange Counties.
There’s a lot to criticize about Rand without making things up. She would condemn those people as committing fraud, as she was against “coercion and fraud.”
But I gotta admit, I gradually soured on Rand quite some time ago, so I understand your sentiment about how extreme and unrealistic she could be.
“Some people truly must not care, feeling they will be dead by then….” BINGO.
I have had several people say versions of this disgustingly selfish sentiment to me as we discuss the obvious decline of the USA and the prospect of more widespread violence, racial conflict, and real poverty. Every one of the ones I can think of, including one of my own siblings, doesn’t have children. Just like Merkel, Macron, and an unusual number of self-hating, misfit genetic-dead-end Western “leaders.”
Couldn’t say it better myself, sir.
We enjoy living in SoCal in some respects, to be sure, and I can appreciate Ron U’s instinct to defend his home State. But many people, even intelligent, well-read, and politically engaged people, are harboring a relatively optimistic attitude about California’s future that isn’t warranted.
As you noted, things here can and likely will change fairly rapidly as the demographic changes continue and the ratio of government-supported people to net taxpayers gets worse.
Based on 2017 statistics, Brampton and Vancouver had murder rates of 2.7 and 3 per 100K population, respectively, compared to LA’s 7.3 in 2016.
https://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/8017885-crime-map-16-murders-in-brampton-mississauga-in-2017/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brampton
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouvers-homicides-rise-in-2017-while-surrey-reports-decrease
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver
http://www.city-data.com/city/Los-Angeles-California.html
My guess that Indians expats in Canada who repatriate to India probably have an issue with fewer economic opportunities in Canada vs the US. Some of that may be due to more Asian immigrants in Canada, thereby providing more competition, on top of Canada’s Euro-like tax and regulatory policies, which hamper those economic opportunities.
I answered this same question of yours at least twice before :
http://www.unz.com/freed/darwins-vigilantes-reichard-sternberg-and-conventional-pseudoscience/#comment-2533613
My answer generously provides a solution where you can achieve great happiness in life, and get an unlimited supply of what you really want (even if normal people find you disgusting).
The fact that you pose the same question again and again (even though I am not even from the country you obsess over) reveals the following about yourself :
i) Your IQ is extremely low (just 70).
ii) You are a h0mosexual.
iii) You have a disgusting obsession with feces.
You are a real sicko, and are the reason functional, successful whites (like me) keep you exiled out of respectable society.
I suspect you will still pose the same question again and again and again.
Blocked.
The answer *could* be due to Ron’s central point that Hispanic communities are younger and more male-heavy than white communities, and since crime is dominated by young males, this is a temporary situation that will correct once the average age and gender balance normalized in those midwestern areas (where Hispanics are still new, and few of the Hispanic adults who live there were born in America).
BUT, others have brought up good points on this thread that even after adjusting for age, gender balance, and even immigrant vs. 2nd generation, Hispanic crime rates are high.
What is the real answer? Is the Hispanic (particularly Mexican) crime rate just 1.2x that of whites, or is it as high as 2.5x?
It appears we still don’t know the real answer, since the assimilation level of 2nd-generation Mexicans is yet to be seen. The intermarriage rate between 2nd-gen Hispanics and whites also blurs the picture.
American culture is white.
That is what has made it great.
Without a majority of whites, America will become a 3rd world swamp.
I do not share Mr. Unz’s optimism.
Hispanics vote Democrat, which is the “gimme” party. It is also the pro-homosexual, pro-transgender party.
You can see how nutty the Democrats have become. That is partly the fault of Hispanics but of course also liberal Jews.
This is simply a bizarre, tangled and tone-deaf (of immense length) mess of an essay that is weirdly erroneous in every way. Even the BROAD strokes are confused and muddled. Nothing about what is stated is relevant. Please leave your house and drive around town once and awhile.
Start with Downtown LA — otherwise known as, “The Apocalypse.”
Although anecdotal, everywhere in downtown is getting more gated, more locked up, more barrier-encased. One can hardly go to a bathroom without locked doors controlled by a key or buzzer. This was not the case — even recently.
Basically, ALL non-whites (Asian, Hispanic, Blacks) in the USA vote Democrat 70-, 80-, 90%, always, every year, for decades.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP.
And as the country changes with more immigration, or more non-whites, the USA is increasingly moving to become Democratic, fully Democratic, or as is currently California. At that time, the values of autonomy, self-reliance, “historical Americana” will be lost for authoritarianism. Or Silicon Valley values imbued up-and-down the culture.
The ONLY reason there is “small government” values, politics, interests is because of … the white population in the US. SEE THE DAMN GRAPHS.
I thought “Unz” was an intelligent person. This essay of junk isn’t even worth writing a competent reply as a comment. So much is tone-deaf — boring as it is irrelevant verbiage!
Please take the time to review the material, books written by Ann Coulter.
I am sure that you would like to see more data but she does an effective job in summary and encapsulating the broad themes. She is among the most competent on this subject. I am sorry but your arguments are rather elementary in comparison to her claims.
It would seem that you have a bias, a confirmation bias, an interest to support your overall interpretation of what you perceive your capabilities and intelligence to be. Sadly, absent rigor or challenges to your efforts, you look rather foolish, in comparison, to those of us who are not tied to an agenda but just want to know the truth.
Is Proposition 47 responsible for crime increases in California?
– https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/07/is-proposition-47-responsible-for-crime-increases-in-california/
Violent crime increased in 4 of Orange County’s largest cities and dropped in 3 others https://www.ocregister.com/2017/01/14/violent-crime-increased-in-4-of-orange-countys-largest-cities-and-dropped-in-3-others/
Santa Ana’s population is almost 80% Hispanic or Latino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana,_California
Santa Ana homicides nearly doubled in 2016, hit highest rate in six years https://www.ocregister.com/2017/03/18/santa-ana-homicides-nearly-doubled-in-2016-hit-highest-rate-in-six-years/
Public safety devours city budgets https://www.ocregister.com/2014/09/14/public-safety-devours-city-budgets/
The fact of the matter is that the higher-caste Indians live far better than poor white Americans. I’ve been in the better parts of Mumbai, which go on for miles and miles.
Sure, the poor in India are poor. But there millions of rich people in India and their plumbing is better than the average trailer park or low income apartment.
Most of Jo-Jo (The Bollywood part of Mumbai) looks better than rust belt cities.
Gee, really, you should not ask questions unless you really want the answer. Do you really want to know whether I think you’re stupid???
First of all, the fact that people tell a story and the story doesn’t change does not mean that the story is true! By the argument you are making, the official story on JFK or 9/11 would necessarily be true because they tell the story and it never changes!
Furthermore, that you can read the story in four different languages also does not make the story true. You can read the 9/11 official story in far more than four languages and…. well, you’re making arguments that make very little sense…
Well, I suppose it is true that when they can’t even keep their story straight, it’s even less likely that they’re telling the truth, but your notion that the story is told consistently, therefore it’s true, is an astonishingly weak argument.
Of course, that is based on the assumption that the story does not change! Regarding that, here is an example…I vaguely recalled this and then looked it up just now because of this conversation. Apparently, there were four major cases of “gang rapes” in Malmo, Sweden in late 2017. I vaguely remember this and this, apparently, is the case where one high-level cop said that women should not walk alone at night. (But then, actually, he later retracted that statement.)
I was looking for a bit more informaiton on this, now that about a year has passed. I quickly found this:
https://www.thelocal.se/20180213/woman-admits-lying-about-malmo-rape
That is from back in February. Here is an extract from that article:
There is also a related article that is more recent, just late September. https://www.thelocal.se/20180925/malm-police-drop-probes-into-high-profile-rapes
Well, in short, your claim that the story never changes is not correct. In this case of the string of gang rapes in Malmo, the original story of four incidents has been changed significantly. We have one case where, I guess somebody really was raped. Another case of somebody who finally admitted to having made a completely false accusation, and two other cases where all investigation has been discontinued due to “lack of evidence”. It really seems, reading between the lines, that the authorities are pretty skeptical that those incidents actually happened.
All of the above is quite interesting. I think that a genuinely intellectually engaged person would be quite curious to figure out what the truth of the matter is about all this. If there really is a rape epidemic going on, why the need to concoct all the false stories?
But also, it has become pretty clear to me that if you actually ask anybody who lives in these countries about an ongoing rape epidemic, by and large, the people who actually live there pretty much invariably scoff at all this. Well, and not even people who just live in the same country… people who live in the very city and neighborhood where there alleged rape epidemic is at its worst! These people just say that there is basically nothing going on!
But anyway, I guess the point is this. Your contention that the story never changes is wrong. What happens is that the story changes plenty, but somehow you never become aware of that.
For example, the single most shocking incident of the New Year’s Eve massive sexual assaults in Cologne was the story of a girl who was gang raped and got pregnant and had to get an abortion and all that.
That girl was not even in Cologne on the night in question. This later came out.
https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/
As best I understand, the reason you think that the story “never changes” is because you hear the original story but then when it gets exposed as a hoax, as in the above cases, you somehow never become aware of this.
Why is that?
One more try, it may well be that some incidents have not been reported correctly, this is always the case.
That Swedish now realise they have a tremendous immigrant problem is beyond all reasonable doubt.
The Swedish social democratic party that had an absolute majority for decades, lost this majority at the last elections.
Sweden follows the examples of France, the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, where social democratic parties lost heavily, or disappeared completely: France.
You of course may continue to think that this has nothing to do with immigration.
Sure, I read Coulter’s book a couple of years ago, and as I recall, it was just total nonsense, with very little serious examination of the extensive quantitative data. It sold lots of copies, though, so it did the trick.
If Hispanics have high crime rates, why do very heavily Hispanic cities such as Santa Ana, El Paso, Anaheim, San Diego, and San Jose generally have pretty low crime/homicide rates, roughly the same as Portland, OR, which is one of the whitest cities in America? You really should bother reading my long article on the subject—you might learn something.
One thing I discovered many years ago was that anti-immigrationism was in many respects just a religious movement…
“One thing I discovered many years ago was that anti-immigrationism was in many respects just a religious movement…”
Ron, “religious” dogmatism was just what I discovered years ago when I was doing public speaking. Minds that are trap-door shut; people clinging to beliefs that are at odds with direct observation. Acting-out behaviors directed against me. That sort of thing. I don’t quite know what to make of the phenomenon. I think Theodore Lowi noted that New Deal legislation adopted grandiose “biblical” language, but I can’t recall the exact quote or context.
Unfortunately, the ‘Globalism’ you’ve described was already quite present (albeit somewhat less sophisticated) by the mid 19th century. Below is an excerpt and link from The Spectator of London about plans to move US manufacturing plants (textiles) from the United States to famine stricken Ireland in 1850 probably to ‘pay’ the Irish workers the 19th century equivalent of the ten cents to a dollar an hour ‘paid’ to Chinese workers (crushed under Communism) by US exported manufacturing there.
Just as the nefarious overdriving desire to not pay the prevailing real time local cost of labor (typically to one’s own) has historically driven chattel slavery and its trade, so too does it drive chattel slavery’s monetization wage slavery, ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system. Alien elites and hangers on involved would likely tend to have even less compunction about engaging in this sort of thing than the corrupt native ones.
(In California during the 1870’s when the state legislature was literally forced to investigate the matter, it was found the Chinese being imported in -by diktat, just as with chattel slavery- by the tens of thousand were often being paid upward of seventy percent (ie two thirds) below the prevailing real time local cost of labor of whatever city, village, region they were being brought into.)
Ultimately, in regards to the subject of The Spectator article, and applicable both then and now, if you can’t get enough of the slaves to come to you, you go directly to where the slaves are.
‘..this competition with native industry, this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for slave-labour..’
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/22nd-june-1850/15/american-factories-in-ireland
Explain how Hispanics are more than twice as likely to be murdered than whites…
Have you read it? I have.
The title was The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
This dovetails with the many jews calling themselves Lerner or Schuler, among several similar names.
You’d really benefit from being much less lazy and actually reading my article, or even just the comments up-thread where I already addressed the issue…
First, all the data shows that Hispanics have far, far higher rates of criminality than whites, probably somewhere between 50% and 100% higher. But that’s mostly because they’re much younger and a far larger fraction of their population is in its prime-crime years. Basically, 55-year-olds get into much less trouble than 23-year-olds. Once you adjust for age, most of the difference in criminality suddenly disappears.
Second, Hispanics are considerably less affluent than whites, so many more of them live in dangerous neighborhoods where they can get killed. For example, I think blacks commit stranger-murder at rates something like 700-1000% higher than other groups, so if you live around blacks, you’re more likely to get murdered.
There aren’t twice as many Hispanics as a proportion of their population between 18 and 40 than there are white people. Not even close.
Sly! If only Hispanics were wealthier, they’d commit fewer crimes…indeed. “If you give me all your money, I won’t forcibly take it” said the highway man.
Oh, I know, your point was supposedly that they’re hugely victimised by black people. Not that there’s any evidence for them being picked on more than others.
This is just dishonest on your part now. You’re trying to represent that this entire conversation was about the more general question of whether immigration causes problems or whether people in Sweden and other places increasingly want a more restrictive immigration policy.
And you’re now arguing with me as if I am advocating immigration, which actually, I am not!
But all of that that is NOT what the conversation was about! Go look at comment #388 which was my original comment that you replied to. The only real point I was making there was that this “Muslim rape epidemic” narrative is pretty clearly nonsense.
And then you started with these pathetic, ridiculous arguments, like the story is true because you read it in 4 different languages, or the story is true because it stays consistent (except that it doesn’t…)
In any case, all I’ve ever been saying in this conversation is that the “Muslim rape epidemic” narrative is basically nonsense. I have never said that accepting all this immigration was a good idea or that it does not cause any problems in a country like Sweden.
In fact, I can tell you that, if I were a native Swede, I would also tend to be in favor of a more restrictive immigration policy. Certainly, it is very hard for me to see what is in it for the typical native-born Swede.
But, to be clear, I would be opposed to very open immigration policies for a variety of practical, real reasons, NOT because “the swarthy savages are raping our fair women”, which I assume is just a bunch of nonsense. Likewise, I don’t think illegal immigration is a good thing in the U.S. (or anywhere else) but that is not because I buy into any stories about how the illegals are raping and murdering all over the place. I am pretty sure Ron Unz is right, that this is also basically nonsense.
Well, finally, the problem with trying to talk to very stupid people like you is that you cannot disentangle these issues in your head. If I point out that these “Muslim rape epidemic” narratives are far-fetched, you then start arguing with me as if I am an advocate of mass immigration — which I am not! I’m pretty sure that, when people get invested in all this lurid storytelling about non-existent rape epidemics, rather than making real honest arguments, they are just hurting their cause, because they come across as a bunch of deranged cranks.
Do you mean this in the sense that it’s based on myth, as opposed to fact? Funny how much these guys (your troll commenters) have in common with the Hillary-bots who believe Putin stole the election.
Well, the statistic in question is not arrests or convictions or anything like that. It’s a result of asking a sample of people whether they were the victims of whatever category of crime in the preceding year.
And what is the definition of a “sexual offense” in ultra-feminist pussy-whipped Sweden?
Well, I don’t know either, but I’m pretty sure that it’s much less than anything we would call a real rape.
I can’t continue the conversation much with you guys. I came to the conclusion a good while ago that you are not an honest interlocutor. Frankly, I am pretty sure that you no more believe that there is a real rape epidemic going on in Sweden than I do. You’re just arguing for the heck of it. Or for whatever reason…
OTOH, maybe this Jilles Dykstra guy really believes there is a rape epidemic going on. Well, the guy lives in Holland and can see Sweden from his window, so…. Though he seems to be backing away from that, trying to redefine what the whole conversation was about!
This Rurik guy seems to read Breitbart and all the other sorts of publications that are pushing these stories and he believes it all. He cites these websites like SaveMySweden.com or VoiceofEurope.com and the rest of them like they are real news sources!
Again, I get the feeling that you specifically are smarter than that and are just playing games for whatever reason. I have no more time for it. Go play with somebody else.
Look, I did a very detailed demographic analysis of all the data based on official government statistics. If you want to repeat it and demonstrate a different result, then do so.
If Hispanics generally committed homicides at high rates, why do heavily or even overwhelmingly Hispanic cities generally have fairly low homicide rates? I actually live next to overwhelmingly Hispanic East Palo Alto, where the homicide rate dropped by 97% once they moved in, so this isn’t merely an abstract issue to me.
Meanwhile, as far as I know, you’re just some fanatic Jewish-activist type who lives in Britain and probably doesn’t know anything about America. And based upon your past arguments about Jewish enrollment at Harvard, you also seem totally incompetent and rather innumerate:
http://www.unz.com/article/a-reply-to-jordan-peterson/#comment-2345137
You know of course that slaves were bought and sold by Jews? Jewish-owned international Slave Labor firms arranged for African tribes to sell their members to these people, and transported them to America to be sold to plantation owners. Israel tricks young Eastern Europe gentile women to travel to their country to obtain legitimate employment. When those women arrive in the “Holy Land” (Oh brother..) they are beaten, their passports are confiscated, and they’re forced to work as sex slaves within Israel’s thriving brothel industry. You may have read about Hillary’s friends attempting to smuggle hundreds of children from earthquake ravaged Haiti, and how Ugly Butt arranged for their kid glove prosecution. What takes place right under our noses is swept out of sight and zealously guarded by the media and government secrecy, because the outrage potential of citizens around the world reacting to such activity would swell to a violent revolt against our leaders. People ARE sheep, but even sheep have limits to their patience and wanton ignorance.
Sorry for this interruption, but I have very important breaking news. While Ron is enjoying himself challenging others to disprove the results of his detailed demographic analysis regarding Hispanic crime rates, I have fortuitously stumbled upon the mother lode.
I call upon all Unzers to disseminate this article far and wide, to as many of their family and friends as possible. The stakes are too high for complacency on this all important issue, for, as August Comte famously said, ‘demographics is destiny.’
The article in question was posted on the website of the Center for Immigration Studies.
I never heard of this organization before, so I did a little background check:
The article was written in 2001 by someone by the name of Dr. Stephen Steinlight.
Dr. Steinlight was Director of National Affairs (domestic policy) at the American Jewish Committee for more than five years. His article provides a window into organized Jewry’s thinking on the very important topic of immigration and how their approach to it needs to evolve to ensure it remains, as he says, Good for the Jews.
Here are the introductory, an intermediate, and concluding paragraphs to The Jewish Stake in America’s Changing Demography: Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy:
This piece is the fruit of an authentic and deeply felt conversion experience, but much as one hankers to grab the reader’s attention with a dramatic retelling of a great and sudden epiphany, it didn’t happen that way. My change of heart, of thought, came gradually, even reluctantly. It was the product of a long evolution, one that occurred incrementally and unevenly over the years I spent as an advocate in the immigration debate who came increasingly to doubt and now, finally, to disown his own case and cause. The conversion is also the result of the consumption of many books and monographs on many aspects of the issue, as well as my own reflections on the innumerable (and often interminable) coalition meetings and conferences I attended on the subject. Writing in the immediate wake of the nightmare America has experienced (I live in Manhattan and watched the second plane strike the World Trade Center), it must be added that the enormities committed by Islamist terrorists in my city, Washington, and Pennsylvania have given these thoughts greatly increased emotional urgency. But they developed unremarkably, slowly, steadily…
Also, let’s confess it: It would be ridiculous to mistake the organized Jewish community’s hesitancy to address the subject of the great cultural transformation of America for genuine equanimity. We are, after all, standing on the edge of what is arguably the most profound social transformation in the nation’s history. It is a demographic transformation that, most experts believe, will result in a majority non-white population sometime before the end of the new century. A new American nation is coming into being before our very eyes, and many in the Jewish world are worried about it; some are even terrified…
Conservative risk-assessment suggests, nay, it demands that we rethink major components of our current open-ended approach to immigration, and that we do so before we will have become complicit, through action or inaction, in a fait accompli that may have dire implications for Jews and for America.
https://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Americas-Changing-Demography
What follows is a collection of what I thought were the most pertinent excerpts:
Preface: Challenging A Crumbling Consensus
It must be acknowledged from the start that for many decent, progressive Jewish folk merely asking such fundamental questions is tantamount to heresy, and meddling with them is to conjure the devil. But if we hope to persuade the organized Jewish community to adopt a new stance of enlightened self-interest with regard to the immigration debate, a debate that will surely become increasingly bitter, fractious, and politicized in the crudest partisan ways in the days ahead we have little choice. Of equal urgency, and inextricably linked to that debate, is the mission of finding ways to strengthen national unity and social cohesion in America by resuscitating patriotic assimilation under demanding, historically unprecedented circumstances.
This is emphatically not a time for expending much energy worrying about political good manners and seeking to anticipate each and every qualm of our hypersensitive current political allies (I hope soon-to-be former allies), not to mention the reactions of some of our own flock. And we can’t afford to continue putting our heads in the sand, appealing as that is. The problem — and there is a problem — is not going to go away. Unlike the case with earlier eras of immigration, there appears to be no hiatus in the offing. According to figures just pre-leased from the recent Census, the number of Mexicans who have come to the United States legally and/or illegally has doubled in one decade…
Leaving Inviolate the Historical Holy of Holies
America’s abandonment of the Jews to Nazi annihilation is arguably the greatest moral failure in its history. This shameful, frightening history has formed, as it were, the sacred moral basis for mainstream Jewish support for generous legal immigration.
But Jewish memories of the failure of U.S. refugee policy and a national-origins immigration policy abandoned some 36 years ago should no longer, can no longer, serve as the basis for communal thinking on this issue. We are, in the first instance, not speaking here of refugees from tyranny or oppressed minorities, but of vast numbers of immigrants seeking economic betterment, and, secondly, we are not advocating an anti-immigration position — far from it — but rather a sensible one that is consonant with the American dream. Put simply, what we are advocating is a pro-immigrant policy of lower immigration.
Also, let’s confess it: It would be ridiculous to mistake the organized Jewish community’s hesitancy to address the subject of the great cultural transformation of America for genuine equanimity. We are, after all, standing on the edge of what is arguably the most profound social transformation in the nation’s history. It is a demographic transformation that, most experts believe, will result in a majority non-white population sometime before the end of the new century. A new American nation is coming into being before our very eyes, and many in the Jewish world are worried about it; some are even terrified…
For a community that has long advanced an ambitious and unapologetic public agenda, and not infrequently in a rambunctious, in-your-face style, this hesitancy is striking and does not go unnoticed. If unchanged, in the long run it may also prove dangerous…
The Anti-Democratic Nature of the Determinists
This tacit surrender to determinism — the belief that economically motivated, unceasing immigration on a vast scale is unstoppable because it is due to inexorable global market forces — makes us complicit in a self-fulfilling prophecy. Such surrender also means, ominously, that we have, in effect, accepted the notion that something as momentous as immigration policy — and no public policy arena carries wider implications for the whole of American society — need not, indeed can not, be subject to the democratic will of the American people. Given the rising unpopularity of current policy on immigration and even reports of isolated violence against immigrants nationwide, cutting off democratic channels of redress raises the specter of serious social unrest…
Where, pray, will all this end? Astonishing data drawn from the 2000 Census indicates that there may be something like nine million illegal residents in the United States. Most people on earth have nothing; if they manage to make it to America they will have something. But do we really wish to construct immigration policy on the catastrophe of global poverty and chaos, and the breakdown of nation-states around the world that threatens to overwhelm all notions of separate nationhood and erode all borders? An appeal based on global misery can know no boundaries and can make no distinctions. And we must continually bear in mind that the Republicans and Democrats pushing these agendas do not do so out of genuine compassion (where were they during the Rwandan genocide?) but in a shabby public relations battle for the Latino, especially Mexican, vote. And no one imagines that we could afford such compassion economically, or that the American people would stand for such a policy if one were explicitly presented…
Abandoning the Field to Nativism and Xenophobia
Not far down the list of awful consequences, our unspoken acquiescence leaves the anti-determinist camp, with some notable exceptions (such as the thoughtful and moderate Center for Immigration Studies), largely in the hands of classic anti-immigrant, xenophobic, and racist nativist forces. The white “Christian” supremacists who have historically opposed either all immigration or all non-European immigration (Europeans being defined as Nordic or Anglo-Saxon), a position re-asserted by Peter Brimelow, must not be permitted to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go unchallenged. To allow this opens the door to inter-ethnic conflict and a potential white ethnic (and black) backlash of unimaginable proportions, including a potentially large, violent component, especially if the economy continues to sour, joblessness rises sharply, and anti-immigrant attitudes harden…
We need to rescue it from the influence of those who understand America not in terms of its abstract constitutional principles, not as embodied in the Bill of Rights, but rather in some Buchananite version of blut un boden. It was recently reported in the Tennessean that Buchanan’s Reform Party has, unsurprisingly enough, made all-out anti-immigration a central plank of its platform, calling for a 10-year moratorium on all immigration. It must be admitted that this attitude clearly resonates with a majority of Americans. Every time representative samples of Americans are presented this option on opinion surveys of all sorts they support it, though usually it is couched in the context of a five-year moratorium. We are not advocating surrender to the thoughtless mob, but we are advocating the design of policy closer to where the American people actually are with regard to the issue, at the same time that we morally educate them to extend the parameters of their sense of community. Here is a good role for the church…
Equally, and more politically awkward for many Jews, we must save the pro-immigration argument from its own most extreme and uncritical proponents. Especially from those who see unchecked illegal immigration from Mexico (in the 1990s the source of one-third of all immigration to the United States and fully 50 percent of illegal immigration) as a brilliant strategy in an undeclared, low-intensity, and thus far remarkably successful war of Reconquista. With over 8 percent of Mexico’s population already here, and who knows what additional percentage on the way, the notion of a de facto Reconquista, especially in the Southwest where the Mexican share of immigration is astronomical, sounds less and less like nativist hyperbole.
It should be added that immigration from the rest of Central and South America and the Caribbean accounts for an additional 23 percent, for a total Hispanic/Caribbean share of 1990s immigration of about 55 percent…
Posing the Sphinx Questions
What are some of those large vexing questions we would prefer not to speak aloud? Let’s throw out a few and see how many sleepers we can awaken. The big one for starters: is the emerging new multicultural American nation good for the Jews?
Facing Up to the Gradual Demise of Jewish Political Power
All of this notwithstanding, in the short term, a number of factors will continue to play into our hands, even amid the unprecedented wave of continuous immigration. The very scale of the current immigration and its great diversity paradoxically constitutes at least a temporary political asset. While we remain comparatively coherent as a voting bloc, the new mostly non-European immigrants are fractured into a great many distinct, often competing groups, many with no love for each other. This is also true of the many new immigrants from rival sides in the ongoing Balkan wars, as it is for the growing south Asian population from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. They have miles and miles to go before they overcome historical hatreds, put aside current enmities and forgive recent enormities, especially Pakistani brutality in the nascent Bangladesh. Queens is no melting pot!…
No small consideration, it also arguably makes them a greater drain on the economy than a benefit, a subject of unending dispute between advocates of large-scale immigration and reduced immigration…
For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to divide and conquer and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas. But the day will surely come when an effective Asian-American alliance will actually bring Chinese Americans, Japanese Americans, Koreans, Vietnamese, and the rest closer together. And the enormously complex and as yet significantly divided Latinos will also eventually achieve a more effective political federation…
With the changes in view, how long do we actually believe that nearly 80 percent of the entire foreign aid budget of the United States will go to Israel?
It is also true that Jewish economic influence and power are disproportionately concentrated in Hollywood, television, and in the news industry, theoretically a boon in terms of the formation of favorable public images of Jews and sensitizing the American people to issues of concern to Jews…
Supporting Immigration by Reducing Its Scale
Before offering specific recommendations about immigration policy, we should immediately anticipate the predictable opposition and state emphatically what we are not advocating. We are not advocating an anti-immigration position. It would be the height of ingratitude, moral amnesia, and gracelessness for a group that has historically benefited enormously from liberal immigration — as well as suffered enormously from illiberal immigration policies — to be, or to be seen to be, suggesting that we cruelly yank the rope ladder up behind us. It is also, frankly, in our own best interest to continue to support generous immigration. The day may come when the forces of anti-Semitic persecution will arise once more in the lands of the former Soviet Union or in countries of Eastern Europe and Jews will once again need a safe haven in the United States. The Jewish community requires this fail-safe. We will always be in support of immigration; the question is whether it should be open-ended or not? The question is what constitutes the smartest approach to supporting immigration?
We also believe that generous immigration has been and remains one of the greatest strengths of American life for a multitude of reasons, perhaps the chief source of the remarkable social, cultural, and intellectual vitality and continual revitalization that is the byproduct of the periodic reinvention of American society. Along with our constitutional principles, democratic values, ideal of equal opportunity, and free market economy, immigration and the cultural variety it produces is one of the principal engines of our creativity, genius for invention, impatience with outworn ideas, anachronistic social arrangements, and stifling cultural conformity. It is also main source of a deep-seated historic tolerance for diversity…
For starters, we should give serious, immediate consideration to terminating our alliance with the advocates of open borders — we do not belong in their coalitions — and ally ourselves, instead, with pro-immigration advocates who favor immigration reform that includes moderate reductions in immigration, such as the Center for Immigration Studies. With them, and others, we should support an approach to immigration that restores its good name and helps immigrants make a successful, well-planned transition to American life. These goals are realistic only if the present stratospheric numbers are reduced, criteria for entry are rationalized, and legal and cultural processes of naturalization and acculturation are more efficient and deliberate. Successful immigration is defined in this context first of all as naturalization — acquiring citizenship — and, second, as striking a proper balance between ethnic/cultural group loyalty and a larger sense of national belonging…
Immigration Policy and Identity Politics
The goal of immigration should be citizenship, an acceptance of the rights and obligations of full participation in the national life, accompanied by an embrace of American political and social values; its goal should not be access to opportunities for better-paying jobs and public benefits, and nothing more…
Trendy Postmodernism Skews the Debate
Ethnocentrism has proven remarkably enduring into the new millennium; those who counted it out, who thought humanity was ready for some higher notion of fraternity, have been shown to have been utterly mistaken in their predictions. Ethnocentrism is the undisputed world champion…
But there is a cadre of dilettantes with academic and law degrees who proffer a postmodern philosophy that sees the nation state, even open ones with pluralistic values, as an anachronism… They lend the present crisis the veneer of a conceptual breakthrough.
Jews and Identity Politics
We Jews need to be especially sensitive to the multinational model this crowd (many of them Jewish) is promoting. Why? Because one person’s “celebration” of his own diversity, foreign ties, and the maintenance of cultural and religious traditions that set him apart is another’s balkanizing identity politics. We are not immune from the reality of multiple identities or the charge of divided loyalties, a classic staple of anti-Semitism, and we must recognize that our own patterns are easily assailed, and we need to find ways of defending them more effectively as the debate goes on. Much public opinion survey research undertaken in recent years continues to indicate that large numbers of Americans, particularly people of color, assert that Jews are more loyal to Israel than the United States.
For Jews, it is at best hypocritical, and, worse, an example of an utter lack of self-awareness, not to recognize that we are up to our necks in this problem. This has been especially true once we were sufficiently accepted in the United States to feel confident enough to go public with our own identity politics. But this newfound confidence carries its own costs; people are observing us closely, and what they see in our behavior is not always distinct from what we loudly decry in others. One has to be amused, even amazed, when colleagues in the organized Jewish world wring their hands about black nationalism, Afrocentrism, or with cultural separatism in general — without considering Jewish behavioral parallels. Where has our vaunted Jewish self-awareness flown?
I’ll confess it, at least: like thousands of other typical Jewish kids of my generation, I was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a quasi-separatist. Every summer for two months for 10 formative years during my childhood and adolescence I attended Jewish summer camp. There, each morning, I saluted a foreign flag, dressed in a uniform reflecting its colors, sang a foreign national anthem, learned a foreign language, learned foreign folk songs and dances, and was taught that Israel was the true homeland. Emigration to Israel was considered the highest virtue, and, like many other Jewish teens of my generation, I spent two summers working in Israel on a collective farm while I contemplated that possibility. More tacitly and subconsciously, I was taught the superiority of my people to the gentiles who had oppressed us. We were taught to view non-Jews as untrustworthy outsiders, people from whom sudden gusts of hatred might be anticipated, people less sensitive, intelligent, and moral than ourselves. We were also taught that the lesson of our dark history is that we could rely on no one.
I am of course simplifying a complex process of ethnic and religious identity formation; there was also a powerful counterbalancing universalistic moral component that inculcated a belief in social justice for all people and a special identification with the struggle for Negro civil rights. And it is no exaggeration to add that in some respects, of course, a substantial subset of secular Jews were historically Europe’s cosmopolitans par excellence, particularly during the high noon of bourgeois culture in Central Europe. That sense of commitment to universalistic values and egalitarian ideals was and remains so strong that in reliable survey research conducted over the years, Jews regularly identify “belief in social justice” as the second most important factor in their Jewish identity; it is trumped only by a “sense of peoplehood.” It also explains the long Jewish involvement in and flirtation with Marxism. But it is fair to say that Jewish universalistic tendencies and tribalism have always existed in an uneasy dialectic. We are at once the most open of peoples and one second to none in intensity of national feeling. Having made this important distinction, it must be admitted that the essence of the process of my nationalist training was to inculcate the belief that the primary division in the world was between “us” and “them.” Of course we also saluted the American and Canadian flags and sang those anthems, usually with real feeling, but it was clear where our primary loyalty was meant to reside.
I am also familiar with the classic, well-honed answer to this tension anytime this phenomenon is cited: Israel and America are both democracies; they share values; they have common strategic interests; loyalty to one cannot conceivably involve disloyalty to the other, etc., etc. All of which begs huge questions, including an American strategic agenda that extends far beyond Israel, and while it may be true in practice most of the time, is by no means an absolute construct, devoid of all sort of potential exceptions. I say all this merely to remind us that we cannot pretend we are only part of the solution when we are also part of the problem; we have no less difficult a balancing act between group loyalty and a wider sense of belonging to America. That America has largely tolerated this dual loyalty — we get a free pass, I suspect, largely over Christian guilt about the Holocaust — makes it no less a reality.
At the very least, as the debate over multinational identity rises, I hope the Jewish community will have the good sense not to argue in favor of dual citizenship and other such arrangements. I would also advocate that those who possess dual citizenship to relinquish it in order not to cloud the issue and to serve the best interests of the American Jewish community and of American national unity. The recent case of the Israeli teenager who committed a murder in suburban Maryland (his victim was a young Latino) and fled to Israel, where he was permitted to remain despite attempts at extradition by U.S. prosecutors, with considerable congressional support, must never be repeated. That incident inflicted serious damage on Israel’s good name, and it shapes the public’s perception of Jews as people in a special category with additional rights who have a safe haven where they can escape the reach of American justice…
Promoting Patriotic Assimilation and Reviving Civic Virtue
Also in the interest of advancing the concept of E Pluribus Unum, Jewish organizations should cease their well-intentioned but groundless support for bilingual education, switch sides in the debate, and come roaring in as strong opponents. Our opposition to bilingual education ought to rest primarily on symbolic grounds rather than on educational ones, though common sense, as manifested in the huge majorities of Spanish-speaking parents polled on this question who wish their children to be mainstreamed into classes taught in English, should not be ignored. Data on the efficacy of bilingual education is inconclusive; clearly much of it is dreadful, though some programs in some locales appear to yield good results when they function as brief way stations on the road to integrating students into classes taught in English…
In addition to opposing bilingual education (I would stop, however, at making English an “official language” because most of those that promote it reek of xenophobia) there are other concrete steps to consider in an effort to build one nation at a time of unprecedented, culturally discordant immigration. It may be time to reconsider the institution of mandatory national non-military service, both to foster the social and cultural integration of all American young people who effectively live in a society of informal residential apartheid, and to rekindle a sense of service to the nation…
The Ultimate Conundrum
But the process will be more difficult, and internal and external resistance to the socialization of the new immigrants is and will remain far stronger than in the past. While we are right to remain hopeful in the long run, we should also be profoundly concerned about life in the short- and mid-term. It is reasonable to be generally optimistic that all will come right in the end, but we must acknowledge that this outcome is hardly a certainty. We have even noted that some “cutting edge” thinkers no longer accept that assimilation represents a desirable goal or that loyalty to one’s country constitutes a positive virtue. That leaves plenty of room for doubt, far too much regarding a matter of such great moment, and certainly enough to cause us to consider major modifications in our immigration policy now. Conservative risk-assessment suggests, nay, it demands that we rethink major components of our current open-ended approach to immigration, and that we do so before we will have become complicit, through action or inaction, in a fait accompli that may have dire implications for Jews and for America.
Mr. Unz,
Hispanics live mostly in urban centers which are better policed and monitored by law enforcement agencies or private security companies, which should suppress Hispanic crime rates: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2627346 and http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2627491
I think just as adjusting demographics and data sets for age and gender is important so is accounting/adjusting demographics and data sets for urban vs. suburban vs. rural dwelling rates:
In fact, whites have become the minority in most urban counties (53% of them are majority nonwhite) since 2000;
Source: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/05/22/demographic-and-economic-trends-in-urban-suburban-and-rural-communities/
How much of the decline in East Palo Alto crime and in California crime rates in general do you attribute to more and better law enforcement resources and surveillance technology vs. a growth in the share of the Hispanic population?
BART Security Cameras Key To Capture Of Stabbing Suspect
Just about everywhere you look at a BART station, you will see a camera. While the system’s 4,000 electronic eyes couldn’t prevent the killing of 18-year-old Nia Wilson by a knife wielding attacker, they were key to the suspect’s arrest. – https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/07/25/bart-security-cameras-key-to-capture-of-stabbing-suspect/
First, increasing numbers of police officers can reduce crime. Increased police in the 1990s brought down crime by about 5 percent (this could range from 0 to 10 percent). Police employment increased dramatically in the 1990s, rising 28 percent. One major contributor was the 1994 Crime Bill, which provided funding for 100,000 new local officers. A body of empirical research has found that simply having more officers on the streets, even if they are not arresting or stopping anyone, can be a crime deterrent. – http://www.unz.com/isteve/in-baltimore-there-has-been-no-ferguson-effect-just-a-freddie-gray-effect/#comment-2628934
Here’s a question.
You make a convincing argument that the White and Hispanic criminality distributions are fairly similar in the United States. However, Mexico and most Latin American nations have extremely elevated homicide rates.
Here are the 2016 homicide rates for selected nations (per 100,000 inhabitants):
Mexico: 19
Guatemala: 27
Honduras: 56
El Salvador: 82
Panama: 10
Nicaragua: 7
What’s your view on the high rate of homicide in these nations?
Most drugs in the future will be sold online through the darkweb
Ha, ha, ha… You’d never heard of CIS??!! For *decades* they’ve been America’s leading anti-immigration research organization, endlessly quoted in MSM stories on the topic, and with their work very widely cited by anti-immigrationists.
I’ve been pretty friendly with the top people there for many, many years, and indeed I cited some of the very important results in one of their studies in my own Hispanic Crime article.
When my article came out, they were totally shocked by my findings and naturally had lots of questions about my underlying data and methodology, which I answered for them at considerable length. Unless I’m quite mistaken, they pretty much admitted I was largely correct, though obviously they’ve never emphasized it, lest they be viciously attacked as sell-outs by some of their more fanatic supporters.
What would you think about someone who spouted off at enormous length about the causes of the Iraq War…but who eventually admitted he’d never heard of Bill Kristol or the Neocons?
Look, I’ve probably published as much important work relating to immigration/Hispanics over the last 25 years as anyone in America. Indeed, a leading academic scholar asked me to blurb his book. Meanwhile, to put things bluntly, I get the impression you don’t have a clue about the topic, and just wandered into it a few months ago…
Ron,
I believe that in most cases Coulter’s books are superficial, but I am not so sure that this holds for her book on immigration. I base this on Peter Brimelow’s judgement that this book was noteworthy and brought forth facts that he was unaware of!
leading anti-immigration research organization? Ok, if you say so. But that sure as heck doesn’t jibe with their About statement I posted above:
btw, Ron, are you familiar with the leading Canadian anti-immigration organizations?
I inferred as much. I was going to remark how coincidental it was that back in 2001 Dr. Steinlight was proposing the exact same policy recommendations regarding bilingualism that you were:
I wonder if this was a collaborative effort or did one precede the other?
Sorry, Ron, I don’t spout off. When I do speak to the causes of the Iraq War, I cite the detailed scholarship of two distinguished professors from two prestigious academic institutions and make specific citations to their magnum opus, which is supported by copious references. You consider this “spouting off”? Oy vey!
I may not have your pedigree on this topic, Ron, but I do know how to seek out the most authoritative documents on any topic, including this one, and how to derive sound conclusions on the basis of the pertinent information contained in those documents. So, putting aside your ego for a moment, what have I spouted off on thus far that you can demonstrate is a nonsensical statement? I eagerly await your response, oh mighty one.
Every 30 seconds or so, our ever-watchful media reminds us about American European culture being outnumbered by illegal aliens and naturalized citizens (These reports are interspersed with Holocaust messages, and how Nazis are still trying to take over the world.) Americans wonder why they have to submit to probing searches and other security measures when they board aircraft (Soon, those groping sessions will take place at other public transit venues.) The reason is simple: Our government sticks their BIG noses into international affairs, effecting “Regime Changes”, while engaging in proxy wars, boycotts and sanctions against the citizens of foreign countries. Rank and file Americans are subjected to their retaliations. Our Founding Fathers wisely warned against International Entanglements. Unfortunately, their prudent admonitions fell on the deafened ears of Globalist politicians.
Agreed. For people to better articulate the key driver for this interventionism, however, I’d recommend referring to this FP goal the way PNAC did: it was a policy to “Remake the Middle East.” And boy have they been remaking it… at a price tag of over a million innocents killed and $6 trillion plundered from the Treasury. The Lobby’s motto: Think Big Or Go Home.
Actually, come to think of it. Remaking should be The Lobby’s trademark.
Through their promotion of mass immigration policy, they’ve been “Remaking America and Europe.”
Their slogan should be: Remaking R Us!
Actually, that’s the only book of hers I’ve ever read. Very little of the contents stick in my mind, but it all seemed very propagandistic and trashy, basically just ranting about Hispanic/Muslim rapists and killers, that sort of thing. Supposedly that was the ultimate source of lots of Trump’s ideas.
Naturally, she’d never dare to say a word about high black crime rates, since “racists” lose their media access…
Ron, are you thinking of a run for the Presidency in 2020?
I’m not important in my community, but I sometimes exercise disproportionate influence on people who are important. I’d be willing to do something to get your name in the public eye in a good way.
Let your readers know.
Ha, ha, ha…well, the CIS was founded by JOHN TANTON!!! Oops, I guess you’ve probably never heard of him either:
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/john-tanton
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/center-immigration-studies
Nope, don’t have a clue. But then again, I’ve never claimed to know anything about Canadian immigration issues. Not only have I never published anything on that topic, I don’t think I’ve ever even mentioned it once in the 1,900 comments I’ve left on this website. It’s better for people to give their opinions in subjects about which they actually know something.
Coincidence? In 2001??!! During the preceding four years, I’d personally organized and led a very successful nationwide effort to get rid of that bilingual nonsense in California and everywhere else in the country, generating many thousands of news stories throughout the MSM. Indeed, my efforts were so successful that in 1999, the New Republic ran a big cover-story about my achievements.
Presumably, that Steinlight fellow, whom nobody had ever heard of, read something about what I’d been doing and decided he agreed.
Basically, Steinlight was some totally obscure Jewish activist who about 20 years ago became fearful that immigrants might be “anti-Semitic” and therefore shifted into the anti-immigration camp. Since all the anti-immigration groups were always being accused of anti-Semitism, they gave him a job and puffed him up for a year or two, but he totally dropped off the political radar screen soon afterwards. Frankly, it’s been over a dozen years since I’ve seen anyone mention his name, and I didn’t even realize he was still alive. One reason nobody much pays any attention to him is that he basically says the same sorts of things all the other anti-immigration activists always say, and after a year or two, the novelty of his unusual background wore out.
Look, you seem like a perfectly nice fellow, and for all I know, you’re even the world’s greatest expert on Canadian immigration issues. But it’s very clear you’re a total newcomer to American immigration issues…
I can’t really say. I’m no expert on Latin America, so I’ve never looked into it and all I know is what I’ve read in my newspapers and such. I do know that homicide rates used to be dramatically lower, and the experts are arguing about the exact factors that have recently raised them so much higher.
Supposedly, the drug war and battles between the different cartels have been a big factor. Also, Salvadorans who’d grown up illegally in the US had sometimes become gang-members, and when they were deported back, they sparked the creation of local gangs. Plus all the 1980s civil wars in Central America led to a culture of violence. And some of those countries had have huge population growth, putting a lot of pressure on income and resources.
So the answer is that I don’t really have a good idea myself.
True, then that ACLJEW Lawyer spices up the controversy by endorsing torture to extract information from suspected (but somehow, never convicted or legally represented..) terrorists. It worked after World War II, when Nazi leaders were subjected to such methods to convince them to sign confessions about their activities in Concentration Camps, all written in a language they did not understand. TORTURE, for Christ’s Sake! Who in their right mind would endorse such an inhuman act?
I never claimed to be an expert on anything, Ron. As a matter of fact, I think of myself as a student of most subjects. Always thirsting for knowledge. I have learned a lot about American immigration policies reading your articles… and I will continue to learn by reading what you and other immigration experts have to say. But I should hope that being a student shouldn’t preclude one from sharing his thoughts on a topic, should he have something meaningful to contribute.
As you can tell, I enjoy debating… and I’d like to thank you for the opportunity for allowing me and others to do so on your fine site.
This is another interesting fact that does not get mentioned a lot and should be considered in the evaluation of crime statistics, namely that, apparently, 50% of murders in many big cities never lead to an arrest.
Where killings go unsolved
The data, which The Post is making public, is more precise than the national homicide data published annually by the FBI.
[…]
In Pico-Union, a gentrifying Latino neighborhood, 19 killings have led to five arrests. Right across the 110 freeway in downtown Los Angeles, a much larger area, three-quarters of homicides this decade have been solved.
[…]
In interviews, police said most of the killings in Pico-Union are linked to Latino gangs, primarily with roots in El Salvador. Many of the killings are drive-bys or walk-up shootings, and at times, the killers target the family members of rivals, stoking fear across the community, police said. This means witnesses are reluctant to cooperate and cases go unsolved. – https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/where-murders-go-unsolved/
Out of 54,868 homicides in 55 cities over the past decade, 50 percent did not result in an arrest.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/unsolved-homicide-database/
How many of these homicides were committed by well-organized and -financed Hispanic gang or cartel members who either fled across the southern border or intimidated or bribed witnesses and therefore never got caught? Since blacks have, on average, lower IQs than Hispanics and are not supported and protected by powerful drug cartels they probably, on average, get caught more often for homicides and for any other crime in general than Hispanics.
That would be another important thing to control/adjust/account for: IQ
How much would crime rates change if we adjusted them for IQ?
Can 30,000 Cameras Help Solve Chicago’s Crime Problem?
– https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/26/us/chicago-police-surveillance.html
The US went into the toilet the day George Bush decided to do this. The 1990’s, while not a great time for everyone, seemed to be much more prosperous than today.
Canadians never got many Mexicans. Their immigration was always from British former colonies-India and Jamaica.
Lebanese, once a colony of France, gravitated to Montreal but moved into Ontario.
Chinese, of course, seized Vancouver.
They never had many Mexicans in Canada and the vast problems with illegal immigrants the US has because there was never a contiguous boundary with a Third World country, except Detroit. And there have been odd shootouts on the Detroit-Windsor border where blacks whipped out guns and shot Canadian border guards.
http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/
You’re right, I hadn’t. Thanks for bringing him to my attention, Ron.
I guess I’m very intrigued to understand why you do or don’t agree with his statement:
After reading your articles on immigration, I’m still not clear about which of the two approaches you’re in favour of:
1. Traditional Melting Pot, in which a small percentage of non-European immigrants are assimilated, as individuals, into the European-majority
2. New Multiculturalism, in which every ethnic group retains its cultural identity, respecting the principle that Diversity Is Our Strength
Or, do you advocate a “third way,” so to speak?
Frankly, I find your response to this question more interesting than whether Hispanic crime rates are higher than those of whites.
Almost. I would append the following words to make your statement factually correct:
The US went into the toilet the day George Bush decided to do this to satisfy the tremendous pressure placed on his administration by The Lobby to do something meaningful about terrorism and state-sponsors of terrorism.
Something tells me you’ll probably refer me to the proposal you recommended in your Grand Bargain article. As I mentioned in a previous comment, instead of tackling the core issue, this proposal simply prolongs the inevitable. I guess what I’m really driving at is what issues do you have with option #1? That is, I’d appreciate your articulating the reasons that prevent you from endorsing this option. Thanks.
These homicide stats for Chicago are from 2011 and the interesting finding is that Hispanics/Latinos have the lowest victim to perpetrator ratio, i.e. they are the deadliest ethnicity to other ethnicities:
Chicago: 75% of Murdered Are Black, 71% of Murderers Are Black
Victims by Race:
Offenders by Race:
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20181118043856/https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/chicago-75-murdered-are-black-71-murderers-are-black
Latin Kings The Dangerous Gang In Chicago – 2017
” In any case, all I’ve ever been saying in this conversation is that the “Muslim rape epidemic” narrative is basically nonsense ”
Here we fully agree, alas your arguments in my opinion do not exist.
For those here with an open mind, let me explain.
For the sake of argument, let us assume that a white Swedish woman accused migrants of gang rape, and withdrew her accusation.
Now there are in my opinion two theories possible:
– my opponent: Swedish women make false accusations
– mine: Swedish authorities force Swedish women who make accusations like thi to withdraw them.
My theory is based on news from Sweden over several years, comparable cases in Germany, there even police women dare not report sexual agression by those with a migrant background, comparable behaviour of authorities in all countries in the EU with considerable immigration, personl experiences in Muslim countries, and that from the middle Mediterrean eastwards, also even in christian Greece, male behaviour towards women deteriorates (in our cultural view) as one goes eastwards.
Nicholas Gage, ‘Eleni’, 1983, 1996, New York
Fosco Maraini, ‘Where four worlds meet, Hindu Kush 1959’, London 1964
For what reason the ruling clique in the EU wants large scale immigration, for example Merkel ‘der Islam gehört zu Deutschland’, I give the original in German, so that ayone can judge if my translation is right ‘Islam belongs to Germany’, I do not know, I can just guess.
But these reasons for the discussion here are irrelevant, the migrants are, as also Merkel said, ‘die sind schon hier’, ‘they’re already here’.
Authorities fear civil war, guerilla fights, whatever.
So it is in their interest to minimise, in mainstream media, immigrant crime, and to suppress ‘fake news’, that is, reports about crimes by migrants.
However, in a society that states there is freedom of expression, this is not easy.
How to prevent that an investigative journalist, after having been in a middle sized German town, 70.000 or so inhabitants, reports that women remain home after dark ?
And reports that the sexual crimes are perpetrated by a group of no more than a few dozen migrants, known by name, some of them many times arrested, not even staying in Germany legally, but that they’re not prevented from continuing as they do.
Of course, reports like this of course appear only in German, and not in mainstream media.
However, the report I just mentioned gave so much detail, such as the names of women who were interviewed, that there is no doubt in my mind about the facts being true.
” Basically, Steinlight was some totally obscure Jewish activist who about 20 years ago became fearful that immigrants might be “anti-Semitic” and therefore shifted into the anti-immigration camp. ”
Steinlight’s argument for fearing migration from the south is, or was, that for them jews are ‘just rich Americans’, and ‘that these migrants know nothing about the holocaust’.
But, he writes, if the worst comes to the worst, ‘there is always the life boat Israel’.
He does not seem to understand that, if whites are driven from the USA, whites including jews, the lifeboat will sink immediately.
I suppose his article is stored on another computer, so I can try to find it.
My filing was never done in an orderly way.
” enormities committed by Islamist terrorists in my city, Washington, and Pennsylvania have given these thoughts greatly increased emotional urgency. ”
Amazing seeing someone writing this now, when one could fill a library with books and articles, in quite a few languages, many by scientists, explaining there was no Islamic terrorist attack.
Are you still pretending that there’s any merit in your American Meritocracy article as regards Jewish numbers in top universities? It is a bit off topic but I really am surpised that you’re sticking to this. What argument do you have left?
You mean the cities in this belt? The most policed parts of any developed country anywhere in the world?
https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/newss-crime-on-the-southwest-border/view
So Hispanics are only a bit more likely to be in prison than white people, given the age range that best supports your argument?
You also chose to focus on state incarceration which exludes federal crimes such as drug related murders – another convenient instance where your thumb is on the scale.
You even tipped it somewhat by looking at incarceration rates, as, with a growing population, Hispanics will lag behind their crime rate in prison population; especially in the US where custodial sentences are often bizarrely long. Furthermore, this tipping is strengthened by your focus on a particular age group.
Essentially, you’re comparing the Hispanic share of the prison population of all age ranges to the Hispanic share of the much younger criminal age-range population! A substantial bias compounded by the fact that it works the exactly opposite way round for the white population that you’re comparing your Hispanic result to!
Bias upon bias upon bias upon bias upon bias, and you still didn’t quite get the result you wanted…
Something more, and I think this is less important than the complicated point I bolded in my last post, but it is as catastrophic for your argument as it is simple.
The white average age is much closer to the average age of prisoners than is the Hispanic…
Yet you adjusted all your stats in the other direction!
Under 18 10 0.0%
Ages 18-21 1,988 1.1%
Ages 22-25 9,083 5.0%
Ages 26-30 23,299 12.9%
Ages 31-35 29,578 16.4%
Ages 36-40 33,497 18.5%
Ages 41-45 27,589 15.3%
Ages 46-50 21,207 11.7%
Ages 51-55 14,609 8.1%
Ages 56-60 9,655 5.3%
Ages 61-65 5,512 3.0%
Over 65 4,805 2.7%
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_age.jsp
Yes, these are federal and you used state but it is better evidence than you used for biasing your results…that you had a feeling or whatever. You should, in fact, have adjusted them in exactly the opposite way.
Embarrassing…
Federal prison stats:
Black: 38%
Hispanic: 32.2%
White: 26%
Percentage in for immigration offenses: 6.5%
Percentage of immigration offenses that are merely for being in the country illegally: 0%?
Average federal prison age: circa 40.
Average general population Hispanic age: 27.
Average general population white age: 40.
Average general population black age: 32.
Conclusion: Hispanics commit Federal crimes wildly out of proportion to their population.
As I was doing further research on Steinlight, I came across this article by Luke Ford that speaks to the same issues Steinlight raises in his article. For those who may not be aware, Luke Ford is an Anglo who converted to Orthodox Judaism.
Excerpts from Why Do They Deny The Holocaust?:
The stability of the rest of the country acts as a sort of ballast for California. Once the country at large goes diverse that will reverse. California is still coasting on Anglo-Saxon institutions (and wealth). But eventually (barring major intervention) the newcomers will remake these things according to their nature and the result will be corruption and incompetence, just as we see in their countries of origin. It will take a while for the American cultural capital to be exhausted and for the mean IQ to drop below the minimum for civilization. Just a decade or two into the experiment, it is fallacious to say, oh, look, California hasn’t collapsed yet, therefore, it’s all good.
The oligarchs want to have a modern plantation, but that doesn’t work with a liberal democratic welfare state. They think they will be able to rig the game so the votes don’t matter.
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2626072
who would have to be subtracted/separated out from the 32.2% Hispanic inmate population since Mr. Unz’s argument is that Hispanics immigrants to the U.S. are not as criminal as they are often portrayed as. But that would still leave the percentage of Hispanic inmates of the federal prison population at about 18%.
The percentage of non-US citizens in federal incarceration is about 19%.
But we don’t know the citizenship of the rest of those inmates, many of them could be Middle Eastern or Persian etc. and therefore be classified as “White/Caucasian”, for example, some might be black but have African citizenship.
If we take the 81% U.S. citizens as their own separate prison population, of whom 38% are black https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp , 18% are Hispanic and 26% are White, we get the following incarceration percentages:
38/81= 46% black
26/81= 32% non-Hispanic White
18/81= 22% Hispanic
I hope my logic and calculations are correct.
Hispanics and Latinos are still over-represented when compared to their share of the U.S. population among the U.S. federal prison population, which is roughly about 17% at the moment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Hispanic_or_Latino_origin , even if we separate Mexican et al. citizens out.
Short term the thesis is correct, but in the medium term the Dem’s alliance with organised labor (AKA urban white working class, ethnic whites, Catholics) is going to collapse. Organised labour has to restrict the supply of workers to increase demand and wages, which is incompatible with anything but immigration restriction. “THE most powerful elements of the conservative movement are all Catholic” as identified by Clinton strategists. What lies behind this is the Democratic party are pro business, which is another way way of saying they are anti-racist. At a fundraiser, Hillary Clinton said half the opposition supporters were “irredeemable” bigots. They are irredeemable because their wages are slowly but surely prevented from rising by immigration.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bill-clintons-lonely-one-man-effort-to-win-white-working-class-voters
Just as the Dems very slowly and surely lost their Southern whites, they cannot retain the white rural-rustbelt vote. And even the modern Dem’s key ‘ electoral campaign managers like Robbie Mook do not want to retain the support of people who are bigots.
The Democratic party have no choice but to bring in an unwhite voting block to replace their eroding bedrock support and take money from outsourcing Wall Streeters. The Republican Party will progressively loose their attraction for business, and act to reduce and even reverse the unwhite influxes that Dems will unleash .
Notice I said “Party” both are things that just growed; the Founders and first presidents did not anticipate parties would coalesce at all. The parties can be thought of as competent but uncomprehending information processing systems that act so as to survive above and beyond the interests of their members. Both parties will both maintain their current relative positions with fluctuations as each makes corrections and dumps obsolete principles to go with what works and keep them from ceasing to exist. So I think the Republican Party’s prospects for electoral success will remain about equal to the Democratic Party’s.
Ha, ha—probably not. These days, being a Reality TV star is one the main stepping-stones to the White House, so I’d need to do that first.
Also, based on this comment-thread, probably 90% of the readers of my webzine would support Hillary over me. And I’m mostly an unknown these days to most other Americans…
Ouch!!! If they try to turn out that old hag again, I’ll have to pull for Trump (again).
Look, over the last 25 years, the overwhelming majority of what I’ve published has been in the area of race, ethnicity, and social policy, focusing on exactly those sorts of issues. I’d say I’ve probably published more than just about any other serious writer in the country, especially during the 1990s, including some of the longest articles in all the mainstream-conservative opinion magazines, plus lots of WSJ, NYT, and LAT columns. Basically, during the 1990s, I’d say I was generally the main “go-to guy” when mainstream-conservative publications wanted someone to write something in that controversial topic.
All my writings are conveniently available on this website, totaling just over 3 million words, with probably close to half of them being in that subject-area. If you want to know my views, why don’t you just bother reading some of my articles? I can’t see why I should waste my time on someone just too lazy to do so. And it’s just as ridiculous to argue American immigration policy with someone so totally ignorant he’d never heard of John Tanton!
Here’s a long list of my hundreds of Race/Ethnicity articles, ordered by length:
http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/category/raceethnicity/?ItemSorts=Length
And here they are, ordered by date of publication:
http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/category/raceethnicity/?ItemOrder=ASC
Have fun…
I don’t know why you would separate out those with other nationalities. Huge numbers of people who have moved to America have other nationalities, and federal prisoners, bar a negligible number of high profile exceptions, committed their crimes in the United States.
They’re immigrants. It is not like there are huge numbers of people committing Federal crimes while on holiday.
Furthermore, by Unz’s age adjustment logic, the proportion of Hispanics in prison vastly underepresents their likelihood of committing a crime due to the very large disrepancy in their average age from that of the average prisoner.
In other words, his argument was 100% backwards.
This thread, like the Jews and meritocracy one, is closed.
It seems the “myths” he mentions in the titles are the ones he intended to spin, and quite successfully. Pravda Review…
You also have to take into account that a fair number of “White/Caucasian” U.S. citizen federal prisoners are (ethnically or religiously) Jewish or Muslim, etc., more here: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2622663
People like Bernie Madoff, Samuel Israel III and Jonathan Pollard, for example, are or were incarcerated at Federal Correctional Complex, Butner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Complex,_Butner
Northwestern-European-descended Americans are probably very underrepresented among the federal inmate population these days.
FBI: Top Ten Most Wanted of America’s White Collar Criminals Not Too White American
– http://www.unz.com/isteve/fbis-top-ten-most-wanted-white-collar-criminals-list-not-too-white/
I think his argument is the following, but you make very good points:
– http://archive.is/j9XF5#selection-729.0-729.372
I disagree with your opinion about his “The Myth of American Meritocracy” analysis, as you know.
I think it is a tremendously important paper, especially the Jewish nepotism/favoritism angle to it:
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/#comment-2602005
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/#comment-2613299
Trump’s Son-In-Law Jared Kushner Roasted By Former Classmates On Harvard’s Anniversary Report
California has not gone through the full course of Jewish Socialism, so we’re still hanging-on to a somewhat shaky economic model that will soon exhaust tax revenues well ahead of budgeting and unfunded liability expenses. One characteristic of liberals you may be familiar with is their penchant for describing each issue they advance as a “Crisis.” In their estimation, whichever social/fiscal/meteorological conditions are discussed, ONLY the government can solve them, invariably by raising taxes and expanding the size/scope/cost/authority and discretion of government functions. That’s what Socialism does. I’ll provide an analogy: Take a balloon, write “Government” on one side, then print “Private Sector” on the opposite side. Now squeeze the “Private Sector” side, and you’ll be demonstrating what is happening to California. The only matter we should discuss is just who is doing that squeezing…
Absolutely fascinating! Everyone has always believed that males in their early/mid-twenties had the highest rates of serious criminality, but you’ve now conclusively proved that it’s actually middle-aged men who are the really dangerous ones.
Given the revolutionary implications of your findings for modern criminology, I suggest you immediately write them up and get them published in a leading academic journal…
No, we were talking about the average age of those incarcerated.
You had a feeling that it was somewhere around the Hispanic average age of 27.
I provided the data, which showed it is around the white average age of 40.
The data totally contradicts your feeling.
Very rarely, in subjects like these, is anyone shown to be so starkly and comprehensively wrong. Your reaction to this baffles me.
Before California was flooded with Mexican wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) they’d made an attempt to do the same with Chinese from the mid to latter 19th century.
Elements of the corporate media from the 1850’s onward were declaring the resulting Asiafication of the US a done deal and that tens of millions of Chinese would soon be pouring into first California, then into the rest of the country. They not only did not decry it in those instances, but were all for it.
(The template for wage slavery’s (ie cheap labor/mass immigration) genocidal and displacing aspects within the Anglosphere can be found in its origins, ie chattel slavery and its trade, as exemplified in places such as South Carolina where the Anglo population by 1860 after two hundred plus years of chattel slavery had been reduced to a minority, 45 percent Anglo versus 55% African slave.
A centuries old addiction by Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on to doing anything but anything but pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor to their own people in addition to A-S and alien elite participation in the slave trade were responsible for creating the demographic situation in South Carolina.
And too, the failure, easier said than done to be sure, of the non-slaving portion of the A-S general public, the vast majority, to at minimum to have wholly separated themselves from those historically involved in the unholy practice and trade of chattel slavery, if not put a stop to the practice entirely, bears much responsibility.
This same pattern is seen with chattel slavery and its trade’s monetization via the so called ‘cheap labor/mass immigration system, the economic and political basis of the Multi-Cultural society, a society which not surprisingly closely parallels the chattel slave holding society of the British Empire’s colonies it evolved from.
The ‘immigrant’ for whatever period of time, days, weeks, months, years, that he or she is paid significantly below what is or what would have been the prevailing real time local costs of labor, without the immigrant being present or the immigration taking place, is the slave in this arrangement.
True, in time the said immigrant might quit, but that’s entirely okay for those engaged in this sort of predation with this arrangement. They just hire another ‘immigrant’ at far below what the prevailing real time local cost of labor would have been without the ‘immigration’ taking place, it not being called mass immigration for nothing.)
Magazines such as Harpers ridiculed concerns expressed by some about this potential tsunami of Chinese and the physical, cultural, and economic displacement which would likely be caused by their arrival and said that there was nothing to be concerned about.
That it did not come about at the time was due to stiff resistance from the general public in California, and elsewhere, which resulted in the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, though not for the lack of trying on the part of those promoting the mass immigration.
Two of the biggest providers of this ‘immigration’, acting at the behest of the California rail road tychoon Stanford, amongst other Anglo elites and hangers on, was the Dutchman ‘labor agent’ Cornelius Koopmanschap and his half Dutch/half Jewish employee, and in time partner, Charles Henri Maurice Bosman.
The Dutch name Koopmanschap translates as ‘business’ or ‘commerce’ in English.
While K’s employee and then partner, Bosman, is said via his father to be half Jewish, presumably correct, in examining the genealogy of his mother (readily available online) there would seem to be at least the possibility his mother was wholly Jewish as well.
Koopmanschap was based in San Francisco and handled distribution of the tens of thousands of Chinese wage slaves being imported in, the so called ‘cheap labor’, while Bosman based in Hong Kong handled their procurement.
After the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 Koopmanschap would soon die and disappear from the history books.
Bosman’s trajectory was much different, however.
In addition to his labor procurement work with Koopmanschap in Hong Kong, Bosman would work for Jardines and would become part owner of the Hong Kong Hotel. After having family with and then abandoning a Chinese concubine, he would travel to London and establish a new business, the Eastern Agency.
He’d then marry a prominent San Francisco family’s (Forbes) daughter, and return to London. It was in London that Bosman would be granted the honor of representing the Anglo-California Foundation in presenting a gift at 10 Downing Street to Britain’s then Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli.
Bosman’s children by the abandoned Chinese concubine in Hong Kong were all quite succesful as well, presumably Bosman having provided funds for their upbringing.
One, Sir Robert Hotung, besides it being said he was the richest man in all Hong Kong by age 35, was also knighted twice by the British Empire. Hotung would help finance the revolutions which saw the overthrow of the Qing Dynasty which in turn brought Sun Yat Sen in to power and the Republic of China into being.
It’s this part of the Bosman family which is said to have famed karate star Bruce Lee as a descendant.
Meanwhile the Dutchman Koopmanschap would make big waves in the United States with the announcement in the summer of
Being the United States had a much smaller and much more homogenous population in 1869 -with due respect to both Chinese and Somalis- the shock it would cause the citizenry then would be like someone today saying they planned to import one million Somalis suddenly into the country.
Now, wasn’t there something in the history books about it being a Dutch ship that appeared off the coast at Jamestown?
KOOPMANSCHAP; Who He Is, What He has Done, and What He Proposes to do, The Approaching Inundation of Chinese Coolies
https://gwulo.com/charles-henri-maurice-bosman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hotung
https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Robert_Hotung/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/mixed-martial-artist-uncovering-bruce-lees-hidden-jewish-ancestry/
https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html
Ron isn’t living in California. He’s in a “chosen” enclave in The State of Denial. Sounds like an 80s Reagan era go along to get along, but actually its just wishful thinking. Schrodinger’s Cat is out of the box. Tha cat won’t go back. Thing one is Civil Rights failed with Oprah supporting Obama and Sharpton and Cosby being arrested for rape. Thing two is nobody wants to learn Spanish to be poor and destitute in Antiwhiteystan.
Hey, I feel you, Ronnie boy. Reagan died though, boy. And nobody loves LA and believes blacks are cool no more. Must be those celebrating White people dying on twitter and on the street.
The economy must be good for you and the Yenta right now. Petrodollar still worth something. If only this Rothschild Monopoly Money was real.
You and the Tribe were useful idiots. We at The Corporation see we now have Babylon. Wrong continent, but you’re lazy and cowardly. Oh, well. Close enough.
We would like to inform you and your Khazarian Tribalists that your services are no longer required. Good Luck on your future endeavors whatever they may be. You have violated the Core Principles we operate under, however. You can no longer expect support. These principles are Reason, Knowledge and Technological Progress AKA Enlightenment. There are no appeals and this decision is Final.
Sincerely, Satan AKA Morningstar
Mr. Unz,
commenter Tyrion 2 might not be completely off-base here, since blacks have the lowest average age of first admission into the (federal) prison system of all the racial groups, which would mean that Hispanics that get send into the (federal) prison system are probably, relatively older than the average U.S. Hispanic, e.g. El Chapo is 61 years of age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joaqu%C3%ADn_%22El_Chapo%22_Guzm%C3%A1n , Edgar Valdez Villarreal was 42 when he was extradited back to the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Valdez_Villarreal :
Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison
https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/Llgsfp.pdf Archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20181118215458/https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/Llgsfp.pdf
That was shown to be absolutely false.
Lazy? This looks like your go to cheap shot, Ron. Rather than being lazy, it is more a matter of awareness. The last time we had an exchange on the immigration issue you had referred me to just two of your articles on the topic, which I read. Now you’ve provided links to a few more sources, which I shall also read… not bad for a lazy guy, huh?
Look, what I was trying to drive at in my previous comment but failed miserably was to articulate something I’ve been trying to get you to speak to for some time, namely, what are the key reasons you think Lawrence Auster was, as you put it, engaging in “hyperbolic rhetoric–exemplified by the title of his 1990 book on immigration, The Path to National Suicide”?
Having just read the article Unz vs Them, it appears that you accept a key assumption underpinning Auster’s thesis – i.e., the policy of multiculturalism is harmful to America. Auster was all for immigration as long as the new immigrants saw themselves as individuals who were prepared to assimilate into the dominant European-majority culture rather than seeing themselves as part of their historic ethnic group, keen on retaining their identity, based on the culture of their home country.
The only way I can see you successfully challenging Auster’s dire prediction embedded in the title of his book is if you can demonstrate how the original Melting Pot policy can somehow be successfully restored as well as how the newly adopted Cultural Mosaic policy (or multiculturalism) can be abandoned.
Now, if you’ve already delved into this critical aspect of immigration policy, then I would appreciate it if you’d refer me to the appropriate article. If not, it would be interesting to get your initial thoughts on this.
Immigrant Hispanics probably are extremely law abiding. The Hispanic second and third generation may be a lot different .
As far as I can gather Federal crimes include things like are things like credit card or mail fraud, and most criminal never see the inside of a Federal prison.
I have read that suggestions that blacks men have peak testosterone at a younger age than whites and it declines sooner too, so I can believe blacks may on average commit serious crimes at a younger age than whites, but I would not think there is as much of a difference with Hispanics.
Well look to see if the data can be made to support the opposite conclusion to Ron’s. Can you use the data to show Jews are being discriminated against? It should be easy if you are right.
Not a good look for Ron there.
Stop making stuff up. Basically no one is in federal prison for mail fraud and similar crimes. Federal prison is generally for worse crimes.
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp
Read this comment: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/#comment-2613299
Jews comprise a disproportionate number of Harvard’s (and other Ivy League schools’) donors, administration staff and faculty, whose children receive favorable admissions privileges and odds:
The rejects get exiled to and have to settle for schools of the unprivileged like Middlebury College: http://www.unz.com/isteve/top-50-rich-kid-colleges-ranked-by-mom-and-dads-income/ and http://www.unz.com/isteve/which-college-has-the-richest-graduates-the-richest-parents/
It seems to be roughly right. As if being Jewish isn’t a particular positive nor a negative.
The exhaustive investigation also seems to have yielded some clarity on race and success rate by score.
It is said that personality is another factor along with SAT scores and it hinders Asian admissions while potentially favouring blacks.
Judging by the two groups’ relative successes in the entertainment industry, this is plausible.
Just as Asians are hugely disproportionately represented at after school science competitions, black Americans are hugely disproportionately represented in the music charts.
Perhaps Harvard shouldn’t care about anything other than test score. But, then again, why shouldn’t they consider other factors? Would anyone only consider test scores when hiring an employee?
I’m a bit agnostic on all of this, but none of it is simple.
Aging lifers increase the average age of the prison population over time, this is the real flaw in Mr. Unz’s analysis, imo “blacks have the lowest average age of first admission into the (federal) prison system of all the racial groups”: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2630319
Aging Prison Populations Drive Up Costs
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2018/02/20/aging-prison-populations-drive-up-costs
Did you have any reason to insert the “mostly Jewish” part? I guess I must be missing something but “mostly” would be extraordinary.
Thanks for this article Mr. Unz.
Your take on immigration is very interesting for me because I think my own society (Iceland) will soon face similar problems. We are not quite there yet but I am already seeing similar trends. Anti immigrant voices are currently focusing on refugees from the terrible war zones in the middle east, worrying about crimes etc. This is really a none- issue because we have let so few of them in. I suspect the real issue is the influx of workers and their families from Eastern Europe – approaching 10% of the population in just few years. And they are not all to happy about the situation either – feeling left out in our society. Here the language barrier is high to say the least.
Reading your “A “Grand Bargain” on Immigration Reform?” article I noticed similar interests and political views. A great food for thought for me going forward. +
Let’s hope the Celtic-Irish immigrant story repeats it self regarding Hispanics in the U.S. And for Polish immigrants in Iceland as well.
Federal inmates are indeed serious criminals often career criminals who progressed to the major league. They are often serving long sentences so the current average age of those incarcerated in Federal pens of 41 years’ old may not be a good guide to the age when they committed their offence. They are not a representative sample is what I was trying to say.
Actually, I’d forgotten that three or four years ago, Heather Mac Donald, a conservative journalist generally regarded as being in the anti-immigration camp, had managed to dig out hidden Department of Justice statistics on the racial identification of violent criminals, breaking out the Hispanic category, which previously had been kept secret.
Robert VerBruggen wrote up the results in a short RealClearPolitics piece:
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/07/01/justice_departments_hidden_race_data.html
Here are a couple of key paragraphs:
I was actually alerted to the story by a top White Nationalist leader, who dropped me a friendly note saying that it looked like my Hispanic Crime analysis had probably been correct all along…
They definitely look like mestizos. Especially in America where an overwhelming amount of the base component Europeans were NW Europeans who have much lighter skin and different facial features.
I already commented on this data in this comments thread and I’m skeptical of it, because of the high “white-on-Hispanic” violent crime rate. They even have the data for 2012 t0 2015, not just 2012-2013:
***EMBARGO UNTIL BUREAU OF JUSTICE STATISTICS
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2017, 10 A.M. ET
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621516
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621645
I think many Hispanics give false testimonies because they get intimidated and threatened by cartel members after they witnessed them commit violent crimes:
In interviews, police said most of the killings in Pico-Union are linked to Latino gangs, primarily with roots in El Salvador. Many of the killings are drive-bys or walk-up shootings, and at times, the killers target the family members of rivals, stoking fear across the community, police said. This means witnesses are reluctant to cooperate and cases go unsolved. – http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2629202
North Alabama murder highlights drug cartel activity in the state
26 people with connections to Mexican cartels arrested in Cobb County
Three of the last four Harvard presidents since 1991 have been (ethnically) Jewish and the one non-Jewish one, is married to a Jewish man:
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gilpin_Faust#Personal_life
Just having had a quick glance over this list and I can say with pretty high confidence that about 30% of these people are likely Jewish. Paulson is Jewish:
The Most Generous Alumni Donors to American Colleges & Universities
– https://thebestschools.org/features/most-generous-alumni-donors/ and http://archive.is/f7PaL
Most of these surnames sound pretty Jewish to me and Michael R. Klein also looks the part http://www.costargroup.com/about-us/senior-management-group/michael-r-klein
$6.5 Billion. Now What?
With about two years left in its drive, Harvard’s fundraising officials are now focusing their energies on raising money for still-unfilled “buckets” of need. But that’s easier said than done.
– https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/5/23/capital-campaign-surpasses-goal-now-what/
Not the same person but probably related:
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Buttenweiser
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/broders_spiegel_merkels_neue_fake_news_ideen
Here an example of how governments try to influence news.
Merkel announced that those that bring fake news will not be subsidized by the government any more.
This was in Chemnitz, former DDR, where AfD is relatively strong, where migrants have been accused of sexual assaults.
The government of course denies that there were sexual assaults.
So, to prevent any misunderstanding, bringing news that pleases Merkel is subsidized.
Is this a joke? You cherrypick a handful of Jews as substantive evidence of a mass phenomenon.
No, because unlike Ron (you?) I compare like data with like data. The most you might say is that while Hispanics are vastly overrepresented among serious criminals, they might not be among those committing petty crimes.
This would be an extraordinary claim, based off a feeling and unsubstantiated by any evidence. It would also be contradictory to his general point.
They are a representative sample of those who have been convicted of federal crimes though!
There’s only a few hundred thousand of you Icelanders. I assume when you meet a new compatriot, you must find out you have a friend in common! If you guys aren’t able to organise to hold your government accountable and protect the value of your citizenship, what hope could the rest of us have?
Ron, thanks, and LOL. Why step down from editing UR to eat corn dogs for a year in Iowa? Plus, you’ll probably do as much or more to frame issues and inform debate by not being an outlier candidate in the carnival freak show we call electoral politics.
I regard UR as a liberal (old-fashioned sense) publication that successfully rehabilitates talk of race and ethnicity in public affairs, and, of course, there’s plenty more cultural and social criticism here, too. The stuff here could be too strong for people who’ve been fed watery porridge narratives for a half-century.
Well, you earlier said that you believed all this narrative because it was “consistent”. That already is pretty silly because the fact they tell a story consistently does not mean that said story is true! But, I then pointed out that, if you pay attention, the story actually changes quite a bit. And this was an example. Whatever really did happen, the story did not say the same!
Now, what’s going on is that this story that the Swedes forced the woman to say she was not raped somehow, this is just some explanation you’ve come up with — pulled out of your ass, really — to deal with news that does not coincide with what you want to believe. Well, it could be true that the Swedish police are this dishonest and corrupt, to force a woman to say she wasn’t raped when they know perfectly well that she was. But I doubt this very much. I tend to think that Sweden is a country where local law enforcement is pretty honest and competent. I think the problem is that there are a lot of hoaxes. It’s not even all sex crimes. For example, in a town near me, there was some big story about how the Muslims hate dogs (it’s part of their culture…) and were murdering people’s pet dogs. Quite an inflammatory story…. You know how many pet owners feel about their animals….
Well, there was some investigation and it was reported that this was a total hoax. The local Muslims in Lerida the Catalan name of the town is Lleida) were not murdering people’s pet dogs. It was Islamophobic hoax #1137 or something….
So this, unfortunately, is an environment (not just in Sweden) where local law enforcement has to be very careful about verifying that things really did happen and they have to treat reports with quite a bit of skepticism.
Now, in that case, if you want so much to believe that the Muslims were killing the dogs, then you could claim that the local authorities were covering it up, and that’s possible, but I tend to believe that the whole story was a hoax, the authorities investigated honestly and reported their findings.
But the bigger overarching problem is this:
You are establishing a world view that is completely unfalsifiable!”
If it is claimed that a woman was raped and the authorities investigate and say it happened, then it happened, fine. But if they investigate and end up saying that this did not happen and the woman herself admits that she made it up, well, it still happened because, obviously, the authorities are covering up the crime.
When I pointed out that you can look at these social media sites and pretty much all the people there who actually live in Sweden (or say they do anyway) scoff at the stories of an ongoing rape epidemic, this other guy (an anonymous poster) who I have not replied to, argued that these people were fake accounts, shills. That’s possible, I suppose, but I don’t think it’s the case. In fact, I think that the Swedes posting who say there is no crime epidemic going on in Sweden really, are real Swedes and the people getting on there saying how dangerous Sweden are, by and large, the shills! This is my honest sense of things.
The overarching problem is that people like you don’t seem to understand just how vast an orchestrated Islamophobic smear campaign there is. A huge amount of resources are put into this, a vast network of fake news sites and sell-out “journalists” who work for that endeavor. The whole “Muslims as rapists” meme is pretty much entirely a smear campaign. I’m sure it happens, but I honestly think that the genuine cases are actually quite few and far between.
But, anyway, I don’t really want to continue talking with you. If you construct an unfalsifiable belief system, so that if a woman says she was raped, she was definitely raped, and then even if, she later says that she wasn’t telling the truth, she still was raped because obviously, the authorities pressured her to say that…
What’s the point of talking with people who have constructed an unfalsifiable belief system?
You do not learn lessons in Iceland apparently.
Cheers Mr. Unz,
I figured I’d chime back in here for a moment.
Please consider.. I’m assuming you’d agree that in some cases, an anti-immigrant stance would be prudent to say the least. An in for instance the case of the Amerindian, or as I was just mentioning, the Serbs of Kosovo. Both of these peoples were displaced by the immigrants, and so for these people, I’m assuming you’d concede that immigration in those contexts, were negative events for the people who were displaced (or genocided, as the case may be). You can also take the case of Palestine, and how immigration in the last several decades has effected the Palestinian people.
And once we agree that being displaced by others can have negative consequences, wouldn’t you also agree that for the white folks of Dade county (greater Miami)- that their way of life and norms were so drastically altered, that in that narrow context and from their perspective – that immigration might be considered an ultimate negative.
Or, just consider California, and how it will likely never again vote for a fiscally conservative politician for potus. Isn’t it possible that the demographic changes and the political results of those changes might have negative impacts on certain segments of society, especially if you’re a fiscally conservative individual?
When ethnic minorities become majorities, they generally vote along ethnic lines, and elect members of their ethnic communities to represent their unique values, perhaps at the expense of other people’s values.
Or, just consider the case of Affirmative Action. Affirmative Action is designed and used to give preferential treatment to all non-white peoples at the direct expense of American born white men.
Personally, I consider it insane to give foreigners, (or anyone for that matter) preferential treatment over a poor white man whose done no one any harm, and whose only crime is the color of his skin. And yet, as Mexicans and Asians and Africans, (many of whom are far more well-off than the working class white men of America) pour into this country, that to give them preferential treatment over a (despised and reviled) segment of the native born population, is wrong, misguided, un-constitutional and literally insane, from the perspective of a native born white man.
So, considering these exigencies, isn’t it possible that in some circumstances, and from the perspective of some segments of society, that Mexican (or any other type of massive and transformational) immigration is not just a kind of religious affliction, but rather a very real and quite dire potential menace.
What if not a menace has plagued the Palestinians from immigration?
What if not a menace was visited upon the Amerindians by immigration?
What if not a menace unfolded in Kosovo for the Serbians living there, due to foreign immigration?
For the Polish Catholics living in Hamtramck, MI, immigration has destroyed their community.
For the whites (and blacks) in Hialeah, Florida, they’re surprised to find they can’t even order from Taco Bell, unless they speak Spanish.
“¡Esto es Hialeah! Aquí no se habla inglés”.
Do they all just need to get over themselves?
As you allude utu, what’s described taking place in Iceland, not to mention elsewhere, is a perverse form of ‘people power’, ie using mass immigration as a divide and conquer, divide and rule weapon.
The below excerpts are from pg 4 of a 2003 academic paper written by two Israeli university professors which describe succinctly what ‘mass immigration’ has historically in reality been about.
Not being said in reference to niceland, but I can only imagine if someone were to walk up to the two professors which authored the paper, and say ‘but…but..I’d always thought immigration was about helping others and helping people..and and..and properly cooked foreign food…and..It’s what the television always told me…and…and..’ that that person would be laughed at to their face by the professors and guffawed out of their presence entirely.
The ideology of multi-culturalism was developed and promoted in large part to cause the peoples of the world to embrace this utter poison as somehow being ‘good’ for them, though assuredly it is not.
and
http://www.academia.edu/27219183/Between_urban_and_national_Political_mobilization_among_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_towns_
In 2010, 53% of Hispanics self-identified as “white” on the census.
The victim’s crime survey asks the victim if the offender was Hispanic. “Don’t know” is offered. Since more than half of Hispanics identified themselves as white it would hardly be shocking if Hispanics were severely undercounted by crime victims. Nevermind the “don’t knows”.
Being convicted of crimes in a federal court will on average bring a massive amount of jail time compared what one would get for a similar conviction in a non-federal court. That is why American criminals always knew to avoid the former and those who don’t try to, or don’t know to, end up doing lengthy sentences. Also there was a doubling in the average length of time being served by federal prisoners between 1988 and 2012,
I was alluding to Icelanders not learning their lesson form their banking crisis when their greed sucked them into a territory they did not belong to and had no skills to cope. They were the sheep among the wolves. Who planted the idea they would be next Switzerland or London? Fortunately they recovered well by refusing to bail out the bankers. This happened because they had cohesion and solidarity. So what happens next? Iceland opens up to immigrants and Gastarbeiter. They even get some Jewish rabbi to settle in Iceland who will teach them what is right and wrong in multicultural society. So the next time they will need to respond in a cohesive way they will have no cohesion left and no sense solidarity.
Hispanic and Latino gangs are much better organized and much more disciplined than black ones are: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2629202
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Kings_(gang)#Organizational_structure
Latin Kings Live, Die By Rigid Organization
http://archive.is/3lKuW
So Hispanics likely get caught less often than blacks.
Hispanics are also more family-oriented or put another way more cohesive as a group or “clannish” than blacks, which should be or is a useful trait to have to establish and maintain large-scale organized criminal enterprises like drug-trafficking and drug-growing cartels and other mafia-like criminal organizations and structures.
Are some ethnic groups more genetically ethnocentric than others?
– http://archive.is/IbqD6#selection-245.0-257.239
South Americans have the least diverse gene pool of all the major racial groups:
– http://www.unz.com/jthompson/boost-your-iq/#comment-2084535
Pseudo scientific mambo jumbo you often fell for.
This is an incredibly important point you make.
The nature of Hispanic crime is very different from black and probably even white crime, since it is mostly drug-related i.e. not petty crime at all, but “enterprise-level” http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621043 crime, so average Hispanic criminals are usually older on average than black criminals and maybe even white criminals due to the nature of their criminal activity and business, i.e. it requires experience and international social networks to traffic drugs on a large scale and than launder the profits/money from those activities (see below).
And Hispanics also stay criminally active much longer in life on average than black or white criminals, because trafficking, selling and producing drugs one can pursue until old age whereas robbery and theft etc. – the crimes mostly committed by blacks – require physical fitness, i.e. a younger age.
You can see exactly this effect in the graph I shared upthread. Hispanics start to commit crime later in life or said another way they are older a first admission into the prison system than blacks and they also commit crime for a longer time in their lives/their criminal careers last longer, i.e. the Hispanic age at first prison admission/incarceration curve flattens more slowly, even when compared to whites:
Source: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2630319
How the Global Economy Depends on Illegal Drug Money: Part I: Free Markets, Financial Regulations & Money Laundering
https://web.archive.org/web/20181119200329/https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/global-economy-depends-illegal-drug-money-part-free-markets-financial-regulations-money-laundering/
How the Global Economy Depends on Illegal Drug Money – Part II: Trade Routes, Empire, & the “Narco-State”
https://web.archive.org/web/20181119200558/https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/global-economy-depends-illegal-drug-money-part-ii-trade-routes-empire-narco-state/
Of the illegal industries, the single largest sector is drugs. In fact, drug capital alone may make up almost 1% of total world GDP. The UNODC estimated that $321 billion was spent on drugs in 2003; the same year, total GDP was estimated at $38.7 trillion, indicating that 0.83% of the total world GDP was generated from drugs.
A breakdown of the Cali Cartel’s money laundering system
Great points.
Regarding ‘demographic changes’ along similar lines as you describe, as has been mentioned from the 1850’s thru the early 1880’s there was talk and much support from elements of the corporate media in regards to the importing of tens of millions of Chinese not only into California, but into the entire United States.
The soon to be Asiafication of the United States was being presented as a done deal.
Harper’s Weekly did a many years long campaign at the time in support of the mass immigration from China.
Just as today, there were those then who stood to profit from it that had little concern about the effects of the proposed mass immigration.
The template for the resulting displacement/genocide can be found in chattel slavery and its trade where in 1860 the Anglo-Saxon population of South Carolina after two hundred plus years of the unholy practice had been reduced to a minority of the population as opposed to the African slaves. The other Southern slave states were headed the same way.
Chattel slavery and its trade was not abolished but rather monetized with wage slavery via the introduction by the slave dealers of the so called ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system.
The same core goal is achieved with both slave systems for its consumers, ie to pay significantly below whatever the prevailing real time local costs of labor is that they would typically be paying their own people, excepting with the latter wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’) the muss and fuss of chattel slavery that the slave owner used to have to deal with and pay for has been outsourced to the general public, ie old age care, food, clothing etc, aka as public welfare/charity spending.
With the cheap labor/mass immigration wage slavery system both the former would be chattel slave dealer and would be owner get the added bonus of now getting to play act that they are the good guys, where in reality they are every bit as rotten as before, if not more so.
The big losers are the vast majority of the non slavery participating general public whom have suffered grievously with the practice, slavery being known quite rightly historically as a scourge upon mankind.
Slavery, whether it be chattel or wage, is genocidal, the latter even more so than the former.
In regards to the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap and the New York Times article excerpted below, he was a Dutch ‘labor agent’ whose surname translates into English as ‘commerce’ or ‘business’.
He along with his half Jewish/half Dutch business partner (Maurice Bosman) had supplied many of the tens of thousands of wage slaves (ie ‘cheap laborers) from China to work on the laying of rail tracks for people such as the California rail tychoon Stanford.
Koopmanschap in that summer of 1869 had declared his plans to import one hundred thousand Chinese (ie about a million persons roughly in comparison with today’s much larger population) to hawk to various businesses not ‘only’ in California but across the entire United States and this had caused quite a stir.
Now, wasn’t there something in the history books about a Dutch ship appearing off the coast at Jamestown?
https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n7
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=ABJ1733.0001.001
https://thomasnastcartoons.com/the-chinese-cartoons/timeline-of-chinese-cartoons/
https://thomasnastcartoons.com/2016/02/13/the-chinese-question/
https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html
Thanks for elaborating. Good points.
Very much so. A very big part of the ulterior motives for those pushing the mass immigration.
Hispanic Families in the United States: Family Structure and Process in an Era of Family Change
– https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK19902/
Have you watched the El Chapo interview, utu?
He talks mostly about his mom and his family:
El Chapo Exclusive Interview in Its 17 Minute Entirety ENGLISH SUBTITLES
Meet El Chapo’s Mom | FRONTLINE
And utu,
South and Central Americans don’t practice cousin marriage since they are mostly Catholic, so their high degree of family-orientation and familism is extraordinary.
Arabs et al. are family and clan oriented mostly because they practice and follow cousin marriage customs, etc.
I think Pumpkin Person‘s explanation is very plausible and sensible.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/2w9w2y/cousin_marriage_across_the_world_15001159/
There are limited opportunities in Mexico for gainful employment. Most Mexicans are confronted with employment prospects narrowed down to Prostitution, Drug Cartel Specialties, NAFTA Sweatshop Factories, Low Wage Hospitality Industry Jobs and Swimming Across the Rio Grande. Now that puffy lips have paved the way for the last option on that list to be an attractive alternative to crushing poverty in a failed state, we can see that their efforts to compile a sizable voting block for the Democratic Party have come to fruition, while American citizens foot the bill for their various expenses. What we should do is candidly explore the reasons why the nation of Mexico is bleeding its population to northern latitudes. One would believe all this is occurring by accident; somehow a nation of people finds themselves tugging on the door of abject poverty. It’s not an accident. Boneheaded citizens have voted in despots and demagogues since the dawn of time. They’ve relinquished the means they had to seek their heart’s desires of self-sufficiency, security and peaceful social stability, and installed a corrupted cabal of feckless, spineless political classes who dance to the tunes of drug lords and globalists. Americans should know that these people–should they eventually gain a majority at the polls–will repeat their mistake. Politicians have refined the art of appealing to this demographic, and they’ll play on their hopes and dreams to construct a duplicate of that failed state these people escaped. It is vitally important for Americans to understand this process, and to take steps to limit what our government is orchestrating among the populace. First and foremost, we must orchestrate the means to ensure our national sovereignty. That will at least prevent the infiltration of people who don’t know what freedom is.
Actually, as I emphasized in my article, there’s very little such racial/ethnic agitation these days in CA, even though whites are down to 30-odd percent of the state, probably much less than there was 50 years ago when CA was 80% white European. And that certainly includes Affirmative Action.
Consider Silicon Valley. Whites are not much over 25% here, probably below the Hispanic population. Meanwhile, Google is 95% white+Asian and only 3% Hispanic. Most of the other leading tech companies are probably roughly similar.
Yet I’ve almost never seen any agitation by Hispanic activists demanding AA or more hiring there. Probably 70% of that sort of agitation is coming from feminist-activists demanding more jobs for women and maybe 25% from blacks, even though blacks are 2% of the local population and also 2% of the Google employees.
Similarly, maybe 80-90% of the agitation regarding criminals being shot by the police or that sort of thing involves the 2% regional black population.
All the racial agitation on the East Coast and nationally can really get on one’s nerves, and I sometimes really wonder how the East Coast people I know can get by in such an environment. Meanwhile, there’s very little of that here, though the trans-genderism is sometimes pretty irritating.
You should be an editor of science section in the National Enquirer. You have just a right level of ignorance with high degree of belief in the modern superstitions that are only vaguely based on some, usually faulty, science.
You left out the Minimum Wage ruse. Our government is not supposed to enact or enforce hiring quotas, speech codes and wage levels. That is called FASCISM, and if you would please think beyond your ledger of statistics, you could widen your horizons and recognize what liberals do to economies with these schemes. You live in a rather tony hamlet shielded from the bulk of what results from liberal agendas. Read about the “Liberal/Corporate Complex”, and how millionaire politicians project the image that they’re fighting for the little people. while orchestrating the closures of their businesses, and sending their jobs to foreign countries.
17 Times the National Enquirer Broke Real News
– https://www.ranker.com/list/national-enquirer-real-news/evan-lambert
You engage in Ad Hominem and have no arguments against my points https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Graham’s_hierarchy_of_disagreement
Very weak, utu, why so salty?
Here another instructive correlation:
Growth in the Hispanic population vs. Total U.S. Drug Deaths
Is there a causality here? I believe so: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2631646
Source: http://archive.is/BsFNq
and
Source: http://archive.is/p8Unc
– http://www.unz.com/isteve/mexico-is-a-libertarian-paradise/#comment-2028126
NAFTA, Mexico and Drug Cartels
What’s really disturbing is that there is no reason to believe the promoters of mass immigration didn’t know exactly from the beginning what those ‘negatives’ would be.
An example of ‘negative consequences’ resulting from mass immigration and the resulting ‘mixing’ of races is from a book published in 1870 which fully supported wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration) to be acquired from everywhere.
This is the author’s vision of what the results of ‘open borders’ would be one hundred years in to the future..ie 1970.
‘..very different intellectual and moral characteristics from those which we possess today..’
An example of an ‘ultimate negative’ from the same book in regards to the future US city circa 1970 that is to be created from all the so called ‘cheap labor’ pouring in from the entire world.
In a scene that would fit well into the script of any 1970’s inner city crime drama such as Kojak or Baretta the random act of drug and hatred driven ultra-violence directed at the innocent bystander(s) is an everyday occurrence.
A kriss is a knife.
‘..it would not surprise us to know, that in one of his fits of jealousy against Englishmen and Americans, he had assassinated some friend of ours..’
This horrible pattern of elite and hangers on disregard toward their own people was established with the several hundred years of chattel slavery and its trade in British North America. Northeastern slave dealers (who often enough owned household slaves themselves) showed little regard towards their southern brethren when they sold African slaves in the southern colonies.
Southern elite consumers of slaves and hangers on showed little regard for their own either by purchasing them. By 1860, due to chattel slavery, Anglo-Saxon South Carolinians had become a minority in their own state. The other southern states were going the same way.
Continuing the pattern in the north, by 1860, the former slave dealers and now industrialists of Massachusetts had within mere decades largely displaced their own Boston Anglo-Saxon protestant population with imported Irish Roman Catholic wage slaves (ie cheap labor), the rest of that state headed the same way.
By way of the country’s ‘backdoor’ the state of California by 1860 had already imported tens of thousands of Chinese as so called ‘cheap labor’, with there soon to be indications of plans to import many millions more, all by diktat.
When chattel slavery and its trade was monetized rather than abolished by the north-eastern slave dealers as part of a larger global scheme being pushed by the British Empire, first in the north during the early 19th century, and then in a recalcitrant south after 1865, via the introduction of the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, it shouldn’t be surprising that the exact same pattern of elite disregard towards their own people should continue on as before.
Alien elites and their hangers on involved historically in slavery and its trade would have even less compunction to care who was harmed.
So who has the better case?
Those who wish to put a true end to slavery and its trade, and thus have a chance to preserve the peoples, lands, and cultures of the world, by putting a stop to the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system?
Or
Those who wish to continue on with slavery and its trade via chattel slavery’s monetization, ie the genocidal and incredibly destructive ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, no matter who or what is harmed, all so short term profits can be made by not paying the prevailing real time local cost of labor?
To ask the question is to answer it.
The failure to have dealt in a truthful matter with slavery has been a catastrophe of unprecedented proportions for the peoples of the world and for humanity as a whole.
The Big Lie, the lie of the millenium, was the 19th century abolition of slavery and its trade.
https://archive.org/details/onehundredyearsp00flinrich/page/526
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/crimes_that_our_grandchildren_will_see
The Polish of Hamtramck were destroyed by a group that has been in America for 400 years. Not immigration.
There never was much Hispanic immigration to Michigan. It is too far North and the economy could not support it.
The glorification and promotion of homosexuality and “transgenderism” here is more than a mere irritation, though, for those of us with children in CA government schools.
Hispanics actually have the lowest drug death rates of all the ethnicities/races. They must following the drug dealer/trafficker adage:
Don’t get high on your own supply
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_overdose
But apparently drug use is on the rise in Mexico as well:
Mexico’s drug trade hits home
While rates of drug use here remain far below those of the United States, the percentage of Mexican men between 12 and 65 who have used illegal drugs nearly doubled over the past decade (to 15.8 percent) while the percentage of women more than doubled (to 4.3 percent), according to the latest national survey.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/mexico-s-drug-traffic-is-now-hitting-home/
Why don’t you convince Thomm here to go back with you, to Mumbai and live there permanently? perhaps buy a beach house near Jo-Jo and have a time of your lives? Perhaps you two can then share with us the joys of open air beach defecation!!
Re: Trump’s focus on illegal immigration.
He has also attacked H1B visas and legal immigration, but aside from changes in Refugee policies, not much has happened on this front.
Re: the Wall.
The wall is rhetorically useful and a symbolic gesture that demonstrates an overall change of policy: an opposition to all immigration.
During the Bush years we talked about defending the border. Even Bill O’Reilly wanted the military on the border. Trump was the first, so far as I am aware, to make cuts to H1Bs, Green Cards, and legal immigration in general a mainstream position of the Republican party. He accomplished this through polarization with ideas like the wall, piggy backing other ideas on top of it.
Re: Hispanic crime.
Hispanic crime is still greater than white crime, even if you characterize the percentage as small. Black criminality, of course, serves to hide this to a certain degree.
Whatever the case, Hispanic crime works something like cholesterol. The greater the Hispanic population, the larger the degree of corruption. At some point it reaches critical mass and criminal activity, because it is no longer policed, breaks out.
Every country I am aware of south of the border has a gigantic crime rate (I don’t know the crime rate in Argentina and a few other states). Mexico, which is one of the most peaceful, has a murder rate on par or above that of Chicago. As you well know, the black crime rate 4x or 5x times the Hispanic rate in America. Yet in Mexico they are rivals to Chicago. Other countries, like El Salvador, greatly eclipse our country. In El Salvador it is 65 murders per 100,000 inhabitants. Mexico is only 27 per 100K. Chicago was either at 23 or 27. What does that tell you?
Of course, there are racial differences as well that account for some of this. Mexicans in general are of a higher caste, lower amount of native blood. Also, some Indian groups, which we may even consider as being of a different ethnicity, are almost entirely harmless. The people from places like Guatamala or El Salvador are of a very violent, criminal lot. For this reason the United States, which gets its majority of illegals from Mexico, doesn’t feel the pain as much as it otherwise would if we were right next to El Salvador.
Of course, we still don’t want Mexican criminality here. I saw a video recently of Mexican cartel members taking a knife to a little boy, maybe 12 or 13 years old, and cutting pieces of meat off his chest, ribs, and other parts of his body, before peeling off the flesh all the way down to his stomach to reveal his intestines. They made him watch as the intestines bubbled up and out of his body in tune with his heart beat. He was alive up to the point where they pulled out his still beating heart. The entire murder took about 6 or 7 minutes.
I watched because I wanted to understand how evil these people are. Well, big mistake. My chest was burning in sympathetic pain for days. I still want to vomit, and cry and rage thinking of it now.
Re: Hispanic voting patterns.
Trump could be performing sexual favors for Hispanic men on stage and it would not change how they vote. They vote the same way in Mexico and every other country south of the border, with only a few exceptions. Brazil just voted in a Trump-like guy, a white man. He won because of rampant black criminality and the usual corruption that is normal for Hispanic countries.
That may be true, I’ll take your word for it.
But I am not from there. Don’t listen to these WN faggots. They also said Thorfinsson and DB Cooper are Indian, while saying I am Jewish, so the topic is unrelated to me. They only think I am Indian because I defended Dinesh D’Souza. Had I defended Thomas Sowell or Larry Elder first, they would have insisted I am black. To these idiots, there is no possible thought other than their crude ‘muh tribe! muh tribe!’ ooga booga chants.
Most importantly, the frontier of HBD thought is the fact that the white race contains of an 80% functional norm and a 20% wastematter subrace where the genetic trash collects for removal. This explains the extremely high variance in whites, as well as the existence of White Trashionalist faggots (the males of this race) and fat bluehaired feminists (the females of this race).
Perfectly put!
I just watched this short report from Mexico by Sky News from a couple of months ago and that is exactly what the reporters observed and conveyed. That is also why I have been urging Mr. Unz http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#comment-2627739 to reevaluate or at least add a qualification to his extremely popular and influential “The Myth of Hispanic Crime” article. America can’t afford to get this extremely crucial public policy issue wrong otherwise it’s “Game Over”.
On the frontline of Mexico’s drug war
Wait’ll they start emulating animals, identifying themselves as a “Trans-Species”. Maybe we could set out a Gender-Neutral Litter Box for them.
This is another great paper that confirms that the average age of first admission into the prison system (page 13) increased from Mean age 30.1 years and Median age 29 years in 1993 to Mean age 33.8 years and Median age 32 years in 2013. Unfortunately this particular section is not broken down by ethnicity/race, but since Hispanics have been the fastest growing major ethnic U.S. population group over the last 30+ years this would mean that more Hispanics as a share of the U.S. population have increased the age of first admission into the prison system.
Aging of the State Prison Population, 1993–2013
Admissions of state prisoners increased most among
45 to 49 years old between 1993 and 2003, and among
ages 55 or older after 2003
The number of state prison admissions increased 31% from
1993 to 2003 and then declined 10% from 2003 to 2013. The
growth between 1993 and 2003 was driven by admissions of
persons ages 40 to 54 (up 162%) and those age 55 or older
(up 124%) (figure 12). Persons age 55 or older represented
1% of state prison admissions in 1993, 2% in 2003, and 4%
in 2013. From 2003 to 2013, admissions declined 12% for
those age 39 or younger and 11% for those ages 40 to 54,
while admissions for persons age 55 or older increased.
In 2013, 25,700 persons age 55 or older were admitted to
prison, an increase of 82% from 2003 (14,100). The mean
age at admission increased, from 30 years in 1993 to almost
34 years in 2013 (table 8). The majority of the change
occurred between 1993 and 2003.
– page 13 http://archive.is/JgDq4#selection-13263.0-13385.31
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aspp9313.pdf Archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20181120064720/https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aspp9313.pdf
The trend and story seems to be the same everywhere, as the Hispanic population grows in a town or city http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2631985 Mexican drug cartel activity http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2631646 and the number of drug overdose deaths increases. Here Philadelphia as an example:
Philly’s overdose epidemic
70 deaths in 30 days
Demographics of a Crisis
Approximately 86 percent of Philadelphia’s 800 opioid-related drug deaths from January through September of this year were residents of the city. Here are breakdowns of the deaths for the first nine months of the year. Rates are annualized based on census estimates for Philadelphia for 2016.
Source: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/opioid-crisis-heroin-overdoses-philadephia.html
Philadelphia Struggles with Fighting Massive Drug Epidemic
– https://www.voanews.com/a/philly-faces-heroin-crisis/4148075.html
The Hispanic share of the population grew from 8.5% in 2000 to 12.29% in 2010:
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2011/03/10/Hispanic-population-shows-modest-climb-in-region/stories/201103100734
Since 2013 the total number of homicides in Philadelphia decreased, but drug-related ones increased:
Although the number of homicides in Philadelphia in the past few years has been relatively low by historical standards, the number of killings connected to drugs has been increasing, according to data from the Philadelphia Police Department.
Source: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2017/09/28/philadelphias-drug-related-homicides-continue-to-rise
Drug cartel in NJ: Sinaloa traffickers now live among us
New Jersey State Police picked up two Sinaloa drug cartel members during the biggest bust of fentanyl in the state’s history.
https://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/2017/12/03/sinaloa-cartel-new-jersey-heroin-drugs/901261001/
“The Walmart of Heroin”: How a Philadelphia neighborhood became a case study in America’s opioid [epidemic]
Trapped by the ‘Walmart of Heroin’
A Philadelphia neighborhood is the largest open-air narcotics market for heroin on the East Coast. Addicts come from all over, and many never leave.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/magazine/kensington-heroin-opioid-philadelphia.html
CDC: More than 5,000 Californians died from overdoses last year. Officials say fentanyl and heroin are to blame
August 30, 2018
– https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article217581555.html
Unable to see how the global economy depends on drug money.
On cannot eat drugs, they do not provide education, health care or public transport.
It is the other way round, drugs money, because is it illegal, threatens to destroy the global economy.
Governments cannot control illegal money.
It is even worse, those with illegal drugs money seem to get more and more political influence.
The CIA as an example.
I’ve seen Mueller accused of perpetrating Lockerby, in order to eradicate a rival USA organition jealous of the money Mueller’s criminal organistion made with drugs trade.
If the accusation has any truth in it, do not know.
What I do know is that the CIA in Afghanistan, at the time of the USSR occupation, did not have enough legal funds to pay El Quaida etc for fighting the Russians, among them Bin Laden, began the drugs trade in Afghanistan.
Drugs were shipped to the USA, so one might say the USA still paid, but not as Senate and House had foreseen, or wanted.
There are many Hispanics moving into Grand Rapids. You are way out of date.
One difficulty of sorting out controversial matters involving race and ethnicity is that the topic tends to attract individuals whose “enthusiasm” is not matched by their knowledge or apparent mental ability.
As an example of this, we have the very numerous comments of “FKA Max,” spouting off on Mexican drug-cartel activities in the US and that sort of thing, suggesting that the rise of the Hispanic population in American cities is directly responsible for the rise in drug deaths. However, he also displays a chart showing that Hispanics nationally actually have by far the *lowest* rate of drug deaths, implying this would be true for the most heavily Hispanic cities. Therefore, he suggests that Hispanic drug-dealers apparently refuse to sell drugs to other Hispanics (at least in the US).
As for “cartel killings” in the US, I’d be surprised if they’re more than a fraction of 1% of our annual homicides. If anyone has information suggesting the contrary, I’d be glad to stand corrected.
Even more intriguing is a chart that “FKA Max” has *repeatedly* displayed showing a very sharp rise in individual Hispanic incarceration rates over time, many times greater than that of whites:
https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/Llgsfp.pdf
Since this drastically contradicted my own incarceration data, I examined the source and it turned out to be from the (very respectable) Bureau of Justice (BOJ), which I’d used in my own analysis. However, it was merely a *projection* published more than two decades ago and based upon incarceration data from 27(!!) years ago. Since the more recent data tells a very different story, that projection obviously turned out to be mistaken.
Suppose someone posted a graph projecting that within ten years we’d hit Peak Oil and prices would reach $300/barrel. Surely that graph would grab everyone’s attention, especially if it came from a highly-respectable industry source. But suppose that *projection* had originally been published 20 years ago. Surely, only a very stupid person would cite it today.
It’s cleary that lots of the commenters on my website are very stupid people…
One United Nations expert claimed that illegal drug money served as a very important source of much-needed liquidity during the financial crisis, which, according to him, prevented a total collapse of the financial system and lessened the impact of the global banking crisis.
But some other people challenge that claim:
Did Drug Cartels Save the Global Financial System?
According to a United Nations insider, the real savior of the global financial system after the crisis was $352 billion worth of illicit drug money.
https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/02/01/did-drug-cartels-save-the-global-financial-system.aspx
Mr. Unz,
the data I shared is not about the projection, and yes I was aware of the fact that the data was from 1991.
My point was that your adjusting for age of the Hispanic prison population rate is misleading because the average Hispanic prisoner is older than, for example, the average black and maybe even average white prisoner at their first age of admission into the prison system: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2631646
And I believe I found further evidence to back up this claim here:
“The mean age at admission increased, from 30 years in 1993 to almost 34 years in 2013 (table 8). The majority of the change occurred between 1993 and 2003.” – http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2632380
I never claimed that, but it could very well be the case. The more likely scenario is probably that Hispanics are (culturally or genetically) just not that much into drugs as whites and blacks are.
South and Central Americans don’t seem to drink as much alcohol as Europeans either, maybe because they don’t have a very high tolerance for it?
Overall, Hispanics are less likely to drink at all than are non-Hispanic Whites. In fact, Hispanics have high rates of abstinence from alcohol. But Hispanics who choose to drink are more likely to consume higher volumes of alcohol than non-Hispanic Whites.
What Factors Predict Drinking Behavior in the Hispanic Community?
Gender
In traditional Hispanic culture, women typically do not drink alcohol outside of small family gatherings or other private settings. For Hispanics in the United States, though, this cultural norm is changing. Recent evidence shows some young Hispanic women are drinking as much or even more than young Hispanic men.
– https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/HispanicFact/HispanicFact.htm
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
Well, that seems to me like quite the trajectory. If we extrapolate from that trend, especially considering its momentum in recent years, where will that leave the white population in a decade or two?
Are such concerns only the religious-type angst of ‘white nationalists’? Is there something unique about California’s geography or politics that will ensure the whites of California are never persecuted or discriminated against, (at least any more than they already are?)
one reason they might not be agitating is because those tech companies are generally run by ‘progressive’, rabidly anti-white Jews and soy-boy male feminists. As Google and Facebook and Apple and Microsoft infamously are. So the motivation to hire minorities is already de rigueur. The reason more blacks and Hispanics and feminists aren’t working there, probably has more to do with a dearth of qualified people, than with any lack of AA motivation.
https://dailycaller.com/2017/01/10/silicon-valleys-affirmative-action-policies-are-tanking/
But out there in the world beyond Silicon Valley, jobs and promotions and university slots and government contracts are highly sought after, and so AA can be brutally punitive, even when whitey becomes a minority. I remember listening to NPR in Florida, and they occasionally have the Dade County School Board meetings broadcast, and one such meeting included a segment on Affirmative Action and the various efforts each agency were using towards that end. I’ll never forget how they (all Hispanics) gushed over their ‘successes’ in achieving a near perfect record of awarding contracts to “minority” (Hispanic) contractors.
But please allow me to mention what’s really sinister about Affirmative Action. You see it isn’t really about white men losing jobs or promotions or contracts. Those things are wrong and patently unfair and pernicious, but the true insidious evil of Affirmative Action, is the motivating principle. The idea that the reason all white men, no matter how poor or underprivileged, deserve to be fucked over by our institutions and society at large, it because they’re considered a congenitally wicked and flawed people. Suspect (due to their race and only their race) and underserving of any fair play, whatsoever. And that goes for all of them, from the reviled ‘dead white men’ founding fathers of the country, to the lowly “white, male construction workers”.
Just imagine if a Trump cabinet member said he didn’t want jobs or funds to go to Jews or Blacks. The screeching hysterics would stop a freight train in its tracks. But because our society has marinated in a stew of hatred and resentment for that uniquely scorned and reviled segment of society, (working class white men [racists]), it’s considered business as usual to use the levers of government power to extort their tax dollars with gusto, and then do their damndest to ensure they’re shut out of any money’s that leaks back into the economy.
But as I said, it isn’t the actual loss of jobs or promotions or medical school slots that are the true insidious evil of Affirmative Action. Rather it’s the idea that these men are so Beyond the Pale wicked, that they simply don’t deserve a level playing field. No matter how poor or wretched or desperate, these men don’t deserve the protections of the Fourteenth Amendments guarantee of ‘equal protection under the law’. Everybody’s equal, but these people are less equal, because of their race. When you look at it in stark terms, it seems almost unbelievable that white men put up with it.
I confess I have to wonder..
..considering the circles you travel in- which type of “racial agitation’ is it that the East Coast people you know are having to put up with. The yenta shrills wanting to cut off white men’s private parts and feed them to pigs? Or the white guys protesting the removal of all statues and monuments to their heritage that honor the sacrifice of their ancestors- who paid the ultimate price in their honorable struggle against tyranny.
Indeed, perhaps the most strident and shrill ‘racial agitation’ comes from the politicians and media personalities screeching their red-faced invectives and opprobrium against the Southern men wanting to preserve a statue to Robert E. Lee in their town square. ‘WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!!!’
It does get so shrill, that I’d almost prefer the triggered trans-genders.
As I’ve said before, these discussions generally come down to perspective. Where one’s perch in life is at. If your a millionaire who travels in elite circles, then your perspective is going to be effected by that. Vs. if you’re a working class white bloke, who’s seeing his world being dismantled on a global scale, and his phenotype demonized as endemically evil and racist and misogynist, as laws are passed and programs enacted by his own government to single him out for second class citizenship, and use his tax dollars to spend on Eternal Wars for which he and his are used as cannon fodder, while his homelands are being overrun by people who often are hostile to him and his culture, and who openly revile his ancestors and evil and racist and slavers.. and sometimes hate his culture and people enough to even slaughter them on the streets.
All a matter of perspective.
And for the record, I consider it an honor and a pleasure to have these discussion on your uniquely sublime website. For many reasons, not least of which is that it gives us an opportunity to let others see an issue from another vantage point. From a different background and social strata perspective. Perhaps were it not for a website like this, many of us would not be privy to the wide array of viewpoint you have collected here Sir. And for that, I’m certainly grateful.
Well, do you have any actual *evidence* for this remarkable claim, aside from that BOJ projection based upon 1991(!!) data that you repeatedly cited?
Maybe it’s true and maybe it’s not. But unless you have some supporting evidence, you really shouldn’t make the claim…
I know my evidence is not completely perfect, and I pointed that out:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2632380
But I see no other logical and rational explanation for it other than that more Hispanics, in absolute terms, in the federal and state prison systems have increased the average age of prisoners at first admission into the systems.
Do you have another explanation?
If the highest/most crime-risk/prone age range for young males is between between 18 to 29 years of age:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#p_1_12:40-61
Then the average age of first admission into the prison system should have stayed constant and not have increased/risen, in my humble opinion.
The most plausible explanation is that Hispanics have pushed up the average age at first admission, which suggest that Hispanics, on average, become criminally active later in life and/or stay criminally active for longer periods of their life than blacks and whites.
Yet I’ve almost never seen any agitation by Hispanic activists demanding AA or more hiring there.
Not quite.
https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-pol-legislature-latinos-20140622-story.html
I think the Asians were the roadblock.
Hispanics comprise about sixteen percent of Grand Rapids, Michigan’s Population and growing. Never will be the same.
This is just anecdotal evidence, Mr. Unz, but the Hispanic offenders in these mug shots don’t look too young to me:
Major drug ring busted in Berks County
Source: https://fox43.com/2013/05/16/major-drug-ring-busted-in-berks-county/
LI Crimes: Cocaine Ring Busted, Fatal DWI Crash, Facebook Sneaker Buy Turned Robbery, Pizza Deliveryman Robbed
Source: https://patch.com/new-york/greatneck/li-crimes-cocaine-ring-busted-fatal-dwi-crash-facebook-sneaker-buy-turned
Before the Mob entered California’s ‘compassionate’ leadership sector, drugs were discouraged, and laws against possession and distribution of these potions were enforced with vigor by thousands of police, sheriffs and state officials. The reason drugs are needed in most cases centers around personality and social interaction. Most liberals are objectionable people, because they do little more than spew their litany of invective terms toward those who disagree with their social views and government expansion notions. You can always tell a liberal, but you can’t tell them much. Consequently, a liberal attempting to behave with civility in social settings must make adjustments to their moods to be able to function without irritating guests. Pot is in vogue, but you can believe a population of ever-indignant malcontents will need more potent chemicals to tame their irascible, intransigent natures when they enter mixed company.
I don’t believe drugs are of any benefit, and that they unravel the cultural fabric of society with addicts and shady people who capitalize on the misery of others. However, California’s leadership does just that, so drug profits would be right up their alley.
Rurik, affirmative action ought to be on a short list of current domestic American evils for reasons you mention, and plenty more.
We’re taught to shudder at historical governments that compelled the preference of, say, Aryans over Jews and Slavs, and, likewise, proletarians over bourgeoisie. We’re taught to be repelled by the language and behavior of those regimes that simply assume that Aryans and everything they do is good, regardless of actual merit, and everything that Jews and Slavs do is not good, regardless of merit. Ditto proletarians = good, bourgeoisie = not so good, regardless of merit. We’re aghast at the distortions of thought and feeling among elites and ordinary people in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia: “How could people think and behave like that?”
How America’s affirmative action differs from the compulsory preferences of those historical regimes seems to be a question of degree, of particular American style in choice of legalisms and other supporting rhetoric, but not a difference in kind, at least as I’m seeing it.
+1 on your props to Ron.
“Cleary”, my stats were from this year and they inverted your conclusions. I’m still baffled by your response. I believe you have my email. Maybe send me an outline of your 4D gameplan rather than letting me assume you’re in utterly awful faith?
Also, bilingual education was re-legalised by 70% of the vote. Unz’s previous success was utterly undone. Weirdly, he can’t bring himself to acknowledge that…
In Sweden they’d be assumed to be 13 and in high school as a story of bravery and love refugees…
California’s Changing Prison Population
https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-changing-prison-population/
Data from chart for 2016 (not adjusted by age)
White: 21% prison population, 42% state population ( I know this is too high)
Hispanic: 43% prison population, 35% state population (I know this too low)
NOTES: Each square represents 1% of the population. Incarceration rates are “raw”—not age-adjusted to account for differing demographic profiles across races/ethnicities—because of data unavailability. In previous years, raw incarceration rates have been on the order of 12% higher than age-adjusted rates for Latino men, about 7% lower for white men, and within 5% for other racial/ethnic designations.
For raw not age corrected Whites=21/42=0.5 and Hispanics=43/35=1.228. which gives 2.456 times incarceration rate of Hispanics than Whites.
If we adjust as the suggest by age we we divide this number by 1.12 (+12% for H) and multiply by 0.93 (-7% for W) which gives us: 1.87 times higher incarceration rate for H than W age corrected
This data does not include county jails incarcerations rates and probably does not account for incarceration in youth authority facilities.
If we used current data that W and H populations in California are pretty equal we would get the numbers: age not corrected 2.04 and age corrected 1.69.
But obviously I must’ve made some mistake because I am lazy and stupid as most of the UR readership and commentariat particularly the fraction that cares to read Ron Unz himself and dares to make comments showing insufficient appreciation.
I always say “If something needs to be sold with advertisements, it isn’t worth the cost”. The same sentiment can be applied to “Affirmative Action”. Companies and government offices would hire women and minorities in a heartbeat if they would provide the needed skills, dedication and work ethics those agencies seek in prospective employees. Unfortunately, lawyers, social groups and government busy bodies have cajoled those prospective employees to confront their bosses, and construct special rules, speech codes, sensitivity training classes and severe penalties for violating the same by the ‘enemy’. Tack on childcare issues (Many’s the night I had to ‘babysit’ the child of a fellow female employee–a single mother who had great difficulty finding someone to watch her kid–while we worked in the Flight Operations section of a military base.) health concerns and adjustments to the male atmosphere that prevailed prior to her shifts. Lawsuits are legion against companies, while women complement the litigious environment of their workplaces with “Don’t Go There” admonitions against their male cohorts.
Yep, Tryron 2, as one of the stupid commenters, I didn’t get any reply on that part (hey, I get that he sure can’t answer everybody). I wrote, and I think, that was an outstanding job that Mr. Unz did to help remove bilingual education in California back in the 90’s(?), as a it was preventing a common language, which is one of the biggest impediments to assimilation. As I wrote though, in Immigration invasion, assimilation, and refugees , assimilation only works with small relative numbers. That’s very simple. Now that Hispanics are large in relative numbers, they have no reason to assimilate, and, in fact, I don’t blame them for not. (You are what you are, and you ain’t what you ain’t.)
All that work is down the drain now, as I’ve also read of those efforts to bring back instruction in Spanish. I really don’t think 20,000,000 mostly UNassimilated newcomers would vote for a Ron Unz initiative for the same purpose again.
Just for clarification; the second BOJ data set I used to back up my claims was published in May 2016 and is based on data collected from 1993 to 2013:
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2632380
Aging of the State Prison Population, 1993–2013
Admissions of state prisoners increased most among 45 to 49 years old between 1993 and 2003, and among ages 55 or older after 2003 The number of state prison admissions increased 31% from 1993 to 2003 and then declined 10% from 2003 to 2013. The growth between 1993 and 2003 was driven by admissions of persons ages 40 to 54 (up 162%) and those age 55 or older (up 124%) (figure 12). Persons age 55 or older represented 1% of state prison admissions in 1993, 2% in 2003, and 4% in 2013. From 2003 to 2013, admissions declined 12% for those age 39 or younger and 11% for those ages 40 to 54, while admissions for persons age 55 or older increased. In 2013, 25,700 persons age 55 or older were admitted to prison, an increase of 82% from 2003 (14,100). The mean age at admission increased, from 30 years in 1993 to almost 34 years in 2013 (table 8). The majority of the change occurred between 1993 and 2003.
– page 13 http://archive.is/JgDq4#selection-13263.0-13385.31
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aspp9313.pdf Archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20181120064720/https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aspp9313.pdf
Now let’s look at 2015 California crime stats
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/cjsc/publications/candd/cd15/cd15.pdf
and see if the data are consistent with CDC incarceration and how consistent they are with the rosy picture painted by Ron Unz.
Data are for felony arrests White males and Hispanic males in 2015. While reading keep in mind that Hispanic population is roughly equal to White population in California.
Offense________W_____H________H/W
Violent offenses: 23,992 and 37,848, ratio=1.57
Homicide: 240 and 629, ratio=2.62
Rappe: 570 and 1231, ratio=2.16
Robbery: 2,613 and 5356, ratio=1.84
Assault: 20,275 and 29,958, ratio=1.48
Kidnapping: 294 and 674, ratio=3.39
Property offenses: 17,551 and 24,063, ratio=1.37
Burglary: 5,954 and 7,754, ratio=1.30
Motor vehicle theft: 3,661 and 6,647, ratio=1.86
Drug offenses: 12,378 and 15,322, ratio=1.24
Sex offenses: 1,552 and 2,457, ratio=1.58
Hit and run: 255 and 496, ratio=1.95
Weapons: 4,706 and 8,828, ratio=1.88
Total felony arrests: W=32%, H=41.5%, ratio=1.297
So why in prison the ratio is about 2.00 or more? Because serious crimes Hispanics have higher rate of crimes for which you go prison for longer sentences. Then there is the accumulation effect. Already 25% of inmates in California are doing life sentences.
What about the magic of age correction that Ron Unz does? Let’s look at violent offenses by age.
Violent offenses 23,992 and 37,848, ratio=1.57
10-17___955___2,880___3.02
18-19___875___2,753___3.15
20-29___6,783___15,368___2.26
30-39___6,319____9,893___1.57
40-69___8,794____6,868___0.78
(1) Only in the age group 40-69 that accounts for 36% of violent crime among Whites and accounts for 18% of violent crimes among Hispanics we see Whites outperforming Hispanics by 1/0.78 factor. In all other other groups Hispanics outperform Whites by factors from 1.57 to 3.15.
(2) While a single magical factor of 1.57 would do the Ron Unz’s trick to make the disparity go away no such single factor is justified. The age demographics differences between Hispanics and Whites can’t explain the disparity. There are no over 3 time more 10-19 years old Hispanics than Whites and 2.26 times more Hispanics in the 20-29 age bracket and 1.57 time more in 30-39 age bracket.
What is actually age distribution in California?
https://latinocaucus.legislature.ca.gov/sites/latinocaucus.legislature.ca.gov/files/forms/Statistical%20Picture%20of%20Latinos%20in%20California%20-%202017%20Update.pdf
age____no-Latino_Latino_Ratio
0-19____21%_____34%____1.62
20-39___26%_____32%____1.23
40_64___35%____27%____0.77
65+_____18%____7%_____0.38
The factor 0.77 explains very well the o.78 factor for 40-68 age bracket. Which means indeed Ron Unz was right when but when it comes to old folks above 40 years old. Then Hispanics and Whites have the similar violent crime rates.
But when it comes to younger folks Ron Unz is as wrong as only he can be – the error is proportional to his ego puff up factor. Age corrected criminality of young Hispanics is significantly higher than that of Whites. For 20 and younger it is about 1.9 times higher and for age bracket 20-39 it is 1.55 times higher.
Keep in mind that I assumed that W=H in California in terms of population!
Not even in that age bracket, utu.
Because you have to go back in time to when these guys were incarcerated – since many of the whites and Hispanics in that age bracket were probably convicted 20 to 40 years ago and are serving life sentences like you pointed out – and compare it to the white/Hispanic demographics of California at that time and not to the ones of today.
One has to “retro-date and -calculate” the demographics, so to speak, but that is above my paygrade. Maybe you are enthusiastic enough to do it:
Population of California according to racial/ethnic group 1960–2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#National_origin
Source: https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-population/
Well, since I see that you and a couple of other commenters have raised the issue, I’ll try to reply. I really wouldn’t be at all concerned about the “English” issue in CA these days.
Basically, I wiped out the crazy “bilingual” system in CA 20 years ago, and although the Bilinguals tried to launch various counter-attacks for the next few years, I easily beat them back. The final battle came in early 2003 when a very politically well-entrenched Latino activist named Nativo Lopez was recalled from office by a 41(!) point margin in Santa Ana, probably the most heavily Latino immigrant city in America, entirely due to his stubborn opposition to “English.”
http://www.unz.com/runz/a-spanish-speaking-landslide-for-english/
After that, the whole issue was dead and buried and everyone forgot about it, except for a tiny handful of (mostly white) fanatic bilingual-activists, who never gave up.
Meanwhile over the years, there’s been a considerable growth in “dual immersion” programs, in which affluent white students learn Spanish alongside Latino students who are native-speakers. My Prop. 227 allowed the Latino students to participate, but only if their parents were also offered English classes instead and still signed an annual waiver for Spanish.
The problem was that almost all the Latino families preferred English and very, very few were willing to sign the waivers. That meant that the programs couldn’t expand and accommodate the large number of affluent white families that wanted to participate. So those affluent white families began an organized lobbying campaign to repeal the waiver provisions and recruited a somewhat dim-witted Latino politician named Ricardo Lara to front for them, thereby allowing Latino students to be placed in the Spanish programs on a somewhat “less voluntary” basis.
Since the whole “English” issue had been so totally forgotten for so many years, the repeal effort succeeded, which certainly was irritating to me. But I’m pretty sure that the practical impact in CA schools has been nil.
As far as I can tell, all that’s happened is that they’ve grabbed a couple of thousand Spanish-speaking students and stuck them in the programs to serve as unpaid tutors to the white students who want to learn that language. It’s certainly not good educational policy, but with CA having something like 6M students, it’s hardly a major issue.
If anyone can find any contrary information, I’ll be very willing to stand corrected.
The recent Icelandic immigration story is rooted in the EEA agreement with the rest of the EU countries – since 1994. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Involved is free flow of people between Iceland and the rest of Europe. Iceland is very expensive place to live and you need a decent job to immigrate here. During economic upswings, like 2002-7 and again 2012-18 we get plenty of workers from Eastern Europe (mostly from Poland) many are here temporarily but some stay and if memory serves, Polish immigrants are by far our biggest immigrant group approx 5% of our current population.
Overall, the Eastern Europeans that decided to stay are decent, hard working people occupying the worst low paying jobs in our society. Often over qualified and treaded unfairly. I happen to own several condos at the low end of the cost spectrum and this group is my favorite tenants. So this immigration has gone very smooth and is virtually none-existent in our media. Of course there is a local group that has felt the pain but they don’t have a voice – workers without any qualifications or education competing for the bottom jobs.
However, reading Mr Unz articles and the comment section here I suppose our East European immigration groups are going to cause some tensions in the future. We currently have some evidence of Eastern European mafia activity here, drugs are everywhere (and have been for long time) and so forth but crime is still low and anyone waving a gun makes headline news for several weeks. It hardly happens. Our police only recently got access to guns and their kill list consists of ONE mentally ill person they shot two years ago instead of calling his mother to calm him down.
Our anti-immigrant voices are focused on the very few refugees we have taken in from Iraq and Syria. Islamo-fobia and so forth. I am no fan of radical Islam but few widows with kids are hardly going to change our society much. Yes some of our media gives great access to SJW very occupied with the suffering of refugees but this doesn’t translate into policy and few are taken in. This is a none- issue. Still our anti-immigrant voices are loosing sleep over this issue.
BTW we don’t need Jewish Rabbi to teach us about multi-cultural societies – our educated class has done the job already. Iceland is also very different from many countries, our political spectrum is by far more left wing than the U.S. Our main-steam “right wingers” would be considered “center” in the U.S. Additionally – Close to one third of the population partakes each year in Reykjavik in Gay-Pride marches (if they are gay and want to be gay – who gives a shit really – let’s celebrate with them) Religion, well we are Christian nation according to our constitution but I believe few nations on the planet are more atheist than Iceland. Our state church is symbolic, powerless, boring and stupid like the rest of religion – and mostly ridiculed. For most of us – there is nothing there, it’s thing of the past. But older people like it when we have to bury someone, nice music, comforting words from the priest, flowers and closure for the grieving – thats about it.
Regarding our response to the banking crises – it’s not about social cohesion. It’s about our social-democracy. Scandinavian version, as good as it gets currently. The idea that big business, corporations, and people in suits can be criminals isn’t lost on us – – yet. It seems to be lost on most of the “right” or “alt right” or “conservatives” all over the planet.
Nobody has to go back in time. Data is about arrests three years ago and the age demographics from last year or so. Why don’t you read before you comment?
(1) Actually, another commenter had previously noted that exact PPIC report upthread, and I’d already addressed the issue:
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2624958
(2) If you’d look a little more carefully at the exact report you’re citing, you’d see that it actually provides per capita racial incarceration statistics (which the previous commenter cited), so you don’t really need to count the squares on the chart and then divide by the ethnic population.
(3) If you’d look at some of my earlier comments upthread, you’d notice that there was a very large male H/W incarceration ratio in the previous PPIC report (and my own article). However, once PPIC adjusted for age most of it disappeared, just as in the case of my own calculation. Furthermore, according to PPIC after age-adjustment white females were much *more* likely to be incarcerated than Hispanic females, so merging the two genders further reduces the age-adjusted H/W ratio.
(4) Back in 2005 CA, the “raw” H/W incarceration ratio was 1.7, and according to PPIC, the “raw” H/W incarceration for *males* in 2016 is 2.4, considerably higher. But as the previous PPIC report demonstrated, the H/W ratio for females skews in the other direction, so it’s certain that the 2016 “raw” H/W ratio is substantially below 2.4. How much below? Who knows! It’s probably still significantly higher than the gender-merged 1.7 figure for 2005, but it’s hard to say how much higher.
(5) Meanwhile, 11 years have gone by, and the demographic age-curves of both the white and Hispanic populations have obviously shifted quite a bit, which would impact the prime-crime age fraction used to age-normalize those incarceration rates. Unfortunately, I don’t have a clue what the correct current figure would be.
(6) Back in my 2010 paper, I noted that in CA Hispanics seemed to have rates of criminality up to 27% higher than whites of the same age and gender based on incarceration statistics, and PPIC seemed to come up with a roughly similar estimate based on their own age-adjustment method.
(7) So based on these new statistics, it’s perfectly plausible that the age-adjusted H/W figure has gone up a bit. But it’s also possible that it hasn’t. Unless someone wants to work out the current age-distribution curve for the two groups in CA, we just can’t say.
(8) I’ll admit I sometimes lose my temper on these sorts of things. But when someone has spent a great deal of time doing a very detailed and careful quantitative analysis of a topic, it’s irritating when someone denounces it as totally wrong based on 5 minutes of Googling, without even noticing that e.g. male incarceration ratios are being compared against gender-merged incarceration ratios, especially when Hispanic incarceration is so extremely heavily male-skewed.
I looked at age distribution in the comment #769 above using 2015 arrest data in California. It seems that for the category of arrests I looked at the age above 40 group W and H have the same arrest rates but for younger than 40 H have significantly higher (1.5 to 1.9 times) arrest rates after age correction. I looked at the violent offenses category that produce over 60k arrest among W and H. The conviction rate approaches 70%. Is it the same for H and W I could not verify. This is just a sample and one would have to do more thorough analysis of the data from 2015 arrest report but it looks that the conclusions that you reached in your article are definitively no longer valid. Young Hispanics have much higher criminality than Whites.
RON
Most whites in prison would be junkies committing petty crimes to support a habit, wouldn’t they? Barring the odd biker or mafioso the average white is not in prison for gang-related crimes like drive-by shootings, armed robberies or the like.
Most wealthy junkies like the Downey character in LESS THAN ZERO can con and steal from their families for a long time before they have to resort to a burglary to pay for their habit. Whereas the poor white addict does not have a rich uncle who will give him $50 here and there or a father who will grudgingly pay $1000 a month to him just to keep him out of sight.
I mean the vast majority of white offenders in jail are non-violent druggies who got caught stealing a car battery, which is why more men then women are raped in the United States.
It makes no difference whether drugs are legalized or not because junkies cannot hold a job and would have to steal to pay for drugs. That is why rich people in Los Angeles go to rehab for cocaine abuse and poor people go to jail. Charlie Sheen is a dope fiend but he can afford to pay for his habit.
Well, you dug up a very helpful CA report, but I think you’re somewhat misinterpreting the data…
(1) As I’m mentioned in my previous comment, my Hispanic Crime paper estimated that in CA, Hispanics were up to 27% more likely to commit (serious) crimes than whites (age-adjusted, gender-merged) based on incarceration statistics. PPIC had found something pretty similar.
(2) Presumably for cultural reasons, Hispanics are highly gender-skewed in their criminality, so although the male H/W violent crime figure you found was indeed 1.57, the female H/W was only 1.09. The gender-merged figure of 1.46 is what I would have used (Crudely assuming equal H/W populations). This seems very, very plausible to me.
(3) You were careless in your age-adjustment estimates. You’re quoting the age-ratios of Latinos/Non-Latinos, while the correct figure to use is Latinos/Whites. Whites are actually by far the oldest-skewed population group in CA, considerably older than blacks, Asians, Latinos, or “other.”
(4) So I was claiming that based on 2005 CA data, Hispanics were up to 27% more likely to commit (serious) crimes than whites after age-adjustment, and you’ve found that in 2015 CA, Hispanics are 46% more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than whites *before* age-adjustment. Since Hispanics are *far* more likely to be in their prime-crime years (I had used 18-29/15-34/15-44), assuming that the age-adjustment factor is 1.2 or more, you’ve helpfully confirmed that the estimates in my 2010 paper still hold true in 2015. Thanks!!!
(5) Now according to that report you found, the CA Latino/Non-Latino age-ratio for 20-39 is 1.23. Since the white fraction of CA is very much older than the non-White/non-Latino 25% of the population, I’d guess that the Latino/White age-ratio for 20-39 would be at least 1.3, maybe even considerably higher. So if we apply that age-adjustment ratio to the H/W violent crime arrest figures, we get a result very, very consistent with my Hispanic Crime paper. It’s always nice to know that things haven’t apparently changed much during the last decade or so. Double-thanks!!!
(6) Reality tends to be self-consistent. Since I think I have a reasonably good idea of the reality of crime in CA, both based on my research and based on my living here, I’m not at all surprised that when your data is carefully analyzed, it tends to confirm my previous findings.
Disclaimer: I don’t mean to provoke or disrespect you or your research with this comment, Mr. Unz.
Do you think the higher rate of stay-at-home moms among Hispanics has anything to do with that? Meaning that due to cultural influences/customs/traditions, Hispanic women simply spend more time at home with the family and therefore have fewer opportunities to be criminally active, and get seduced to take drugs, drink alcohol and then get addicted to and abuse these substances, etc.
Among Hispanics, immigrants more likely to be stay-at-home moms and to believe that’s best for kids
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/04/24/among-hispanics-immigrants-more-likely-to-be-stay-at-home-moms-and-to-believe-thats-best-for-kids/
I already briefly commented on this phenomenon upthread in regards to Hispanic alcohol consumption:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2633020
I know that incarceration rates for white women have skyrocketed in recent years and experts think that alcohol abuse and the opioid epidemic are mostly the cause for this frightening trend:
White women are going to prison at a higher rate than ever before
Problems with alcohol — the drug most closely linked to arrests, violence and incarceration — are up among white women but down among black women. White woman have also been disproportionately affected by the methamphetamine and prescription opioid epidemics, both of which raise the risk of contact with the criminal justice system. – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/24/white-women-are-going-to-prison-at-a-higher-rate-than-ever-before/
The trend seems to be shifting for Hispanics and their incarceration rates are becoming less male-skewed:
The ratio dropped from Hispanic males over 20 times more likely to be incarcerated than Hispanic females in the year 2000, to Hispanic males “only” 17 times more likely to be incarcerated than Hispanic females in the year 2014 – http://archive.is/I2g5J#selection-837.0-981.18
African-American incarceration rates are actually the most male-skewed in 2014:
Incarceration rate per 100,000
White male 465 White female 53 = 8.7x
Black male 2,724 Black female 109 = 24.9x
Hispanic male 1,091 Hispanic female 64 = 17.0x
Source: https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Incarcerated-Women-and-Girls.pdf
Possibly. But I’d guess that the overwhelming majority of Hispanic women who commit violent crimes do so when they’re young and before they have children. I’d think the same is probably true for white women as well.
Thank you very much for your feedback, Mr. Unz.
If true, this is very problematic, since this is the perfect way for a Mexican influx to kill off a lot of Americans while nominally maintaining a low ‘official’ crime rate.
But the causation between the two has not been fully established. It could very well be that 99% of Hispanics have no involvement with drug distribution from the cartels, but just that the 1% that are drug dealers are among them.
It occurred to me it was possible. But I have no other age distribution data for California than what I linked above. There are 2014 Pew Research data for the US
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/20/the-nations-latino-population-is-defined-by-its-youth/
They suggests that Asians are very close to whites and that Blacks are half way between W and H. I adjusted White distribution to be close to Pew Research by adding -2% in first age bracket and by adding -1% in the next two brackets. Here are results for three age brackets
2015 California
Violent offenses male arrests : W=23,992 and H=37,848, H/W=1.57 (raw)
_________MALE ARRESTS_______POPULATION________AGE CORRECTED
Age____ W_____H____H/W____W___H___H/W_______H/W
10-19___1,830___5,633__3.08___19%__34%__1.80_______1.71
20-39__13,102__25,261__1.93___ 25%__32%__1.28_______1.50
40_64__ 8,794__ 6,868__0.78___34%__27%__0.78______ 1.00
In the age brackets of 82% of violent crime arrests of Hispanics Hispanics have 1.50-1.71 times more arrests than Whites and in the age bracket over age of 40 responsible for 18% of male Hispanic arrests Hispanics have the same rate of arrests as Whites. In 10-64 age bracket (≈100% of all arrests) Hispanics have 1.32 times (age corrected) more arrests.
I am ambivalent about adding women to these stats. Technically correct but misleading and probably irresponsible. Just like Reagan adding military personnel to statistics to reduce the unemployment rate in 1980s though it did not kill anybody but having a misperception of Hispanic male criminality may get somebody killed.
I will have to reread your paper to see if indeed as you have just claimed here the result I compiled here is consistent with your paper. If so I must have either misunderstood your paper or your paper’s rather optimistic tone and conclusions lead me to believe that you claimed that Hispanic crime rate was close to that of Whites. The factor of 1.32 times is not close. The factor of 1.80 times in age less than 20 bracket is not close. This result is for California, the state that in your narrative is a model of Hispanic harmonious assimilation.
Regarding the Opioid crisis :
I guess I was not aware of how quickly the numbers have risen. Unless it plateaus in 2018 and 2019, it will reach numbers that exceed even automobile accident deaths.
i) Why has the death rate *risen* so quickly? Is it that people don’t know how powerful some new drugs are, or that they are indifferent and perhaps even want to die?
ii) Does it really have anything to do with a rising number of Mexicans in the US? I mean, if someone takes the substances, no one else *made* them do it.
iii) What is the endgame here? Will the US annual death toll cross 60,000/yr? 100,000/yr?
As with all such problems, two-thirds of all ‘Years of Life Lost’ (YLL) accrue to males. I read that of 1.7M YLL, 1.17M (two-thirds) was borne by men.
You are right, utu, thanks for the correction.
I have been so focused on incarceration rates in my last several comments http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2633308 that I couldn’t see the forest for the trees and I misinterpreted and misunderstood your passages on incarceration:
Your comment is, obviously, mainly about arrest rates and only tangentially about incarceration rates.
Thanks again for the correction!
This might be one of the reasons for why arrest rates for the elderly, particularly elderly whites, have been increasing. Since the Hispanic/Latino population is younger http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/20/the-nations-latino-population-is-defined-by-its-youth/ than the white population it has a lower dementia rate:
Another Possible Indignity of Age: Arrest
– https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/health/older-americans-arrests.html
These are breathtaking arrest rate figures/increases for the older age bracket. Baby boomers are among the hardest hit by the opioid epidemic, which likely leads to more contact with law enforcement, i.e. arrests “Individuals born between 1947 and 1964 and between 1979 and 1992 are particularly afflicted by the opioid epidemic.” https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304142 :
“The number of arrests of persons age 55 or older for drug offenses increased 375%, from 9,600 in 1993 to 45,600 in 2012, compared to a 26% increase for persons ages 18 to 39 (from 892,100 in 1993 to 1,120,200 in 2013).”
Arrests of persons age 55 or older have increased over time
There were almost 2 million fewer arrests in the United
States in 2012 (the most recent year for which national arrest
estimates by age are available) than in 1993 (down 1,851,900
or 13%), with all of the decrease attributed to fewer arrests
for persons age 39 or younger (table 12). Over the same
period, arrests of persons ages 40 to 54 increased 44% (up
739,000) and arrests of persons age 55 or older increased 77%
(up 260,800).
As with prison admissions, growth in arrests between 1993
and 2003 was greater for persons ages 40 to 54 (up 47%)
than for those age 55 or older (up 9%). Between 2003 and
2012, however, arrests of persons ages 40 to 54 decreased
2% compared to those age 55 or older (up 63%).
The total number of arrests for violent offenses declined
11% (down 214,100) between 1993 and 2012. Over the
same period, arrests of persons ages 40 to 54 increased 58%
(131,200) and arrests of persons age 55 or older increased
88% (40,500) for violent crimes. The number of arrests of
persons age 55 or older for drug offenses increased 375%,
from 9,600 in 1993 to 45,600 in 2012, compared to a 26%
increase for persons ages 18 to 39 (from 892,100 in 1993 to
1,120,200 in 2013). – http://archive.is/JgDq4#selection-17597.0-17741.19
Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aspp9313.pdf
Never trust experts
” What’s really disturbing is that there is no reason to believe the promoters of mass immigration didn’t know exactly from the beginning what those ‘negatives’ would be. ”
Should be
What’s really disturbing is that there is no reason to believe that SOME promoters of mass immigration didn’t know exactly from the beginning what those ‘negatives’ would be.
What is even more disturbing is, that even now, when it should have become more and more clear to common citizens how destructive mass immigration is, there still is a substantial part of the populations that wants to welcome immigrants.
These people seem to be driven by ideas that w’re rich because we plundered the now poor countries, and thus have the obligation to let them come here, to share in our wealth.
Not really. If you look carefully at that national Pew report you quoted, you’ll notice that the fraction of the groups in the 18-33 range (roughly corresponding to the prime-crime years) is very similar for Hispanics, blacks, and Asians and quite different than for whites. Moreover, they very quite a bit from state to state, and I’d have to dig up my figures for CA. But in any event, the H/W age-adjustment factor is certainly somewhat higher than the 1.23 you used.
No. Of course you need to include women if you want to estimate the relative criminality of the Hispanic population. Suppose the gender-merged figure were exactly the same as for whites. Then the increase of the Hispanic population would have no impact on crime rates whatsoever.
Similarly, I noted that based on incarceration rates, Hispanics in some states (e.g. TX) had somewhat *lower* crime rates than whites, while in other states (e.g. CA), they had somewhat higher crime rates. When you’re looking for a national average, you obviously have to combine the two, just like merging male/female crime rates.
Yes, you should *carefully* reread my paper, since I said exactly that. My estimate for CA was that the incarceration-based age-adjusted H/W crime ratio was 1.04-1.27, depending upon which age-adjustment you use.
Now the report you found shows that the “raw” H/W violent crime arrest in 2015 CA ratio is 1.46, which seems very reasonable to me. If we adjust that by the (somewhat low) 1.23 prime-crime age ratio, we get an age-adjusted H/W violent crime ratio of 1.19, which is totally consistent with my Hispanic Crime estimates based on data from a decade earlier. So CA Hispanics are 19% more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than whites of the same age, and you claim that for Hispanic males, the figure is 32%, which you argue is “not close.”
Well “close” is a relative and subjective term. The same report shows that blacks (male+female) are something like 350%(!!) more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than whites. I would argue that relative to 350%, a difference of 19% is “roughly similar.” But this is an entirely subjective judgment, and if you say otherwise, be my guest.
Incidentally, the graph I included in my article and also displayed upthread *clearly* show that on a national basis, Hispanics have higher rates of age-adjusted incarceration than whites. The obvious reason you didn’t notice it is that I also included the black figure, which is so astonishingly high it masks all other differences:
Interestingly enough, based on incarceration rates, the age-adjusted rate of white criminality varies enormously between different states and regions, with whites in e.g. FL and TX having several times the rate of incarceration as whites in MN or MA:
So if TX whites are actually 200% more likely to commit crimes than MA whites of the same age, then perhaps an age-adjusted 19% (or even 32%) difference between Hispanics and whites in CA is really not so enormously large.
Anyway, I’m quite grateful that you managed to locate CA 2015 racial arrest data that entirely confirms my 2010 Hispanic Crime conclusions, which were based upon 2005 CA incarceration data. And you really should reread my article much more carefully, along with all the follow-up columns I published, addressing various responses.
Well, I have absolutely no doubt that you are the expert in this area, Mr. Unz, though I did read an article last night to to see the details, which are exactly as you wrote to me..
OK, I don’t live there, but you should know that elsewhere around the country, anytime you get a serious concentration of Hispanics, Miami, Florida being the original example, then Spanish will be spoken more and more. This is especially true when new arrivals with no English ability (if they are literate at all, for that matter).
It’s the same in the Chinese communities that exist all over the country now, concentrated in University towns and the Chinatowns in the big cities. I don’t mean the kids, as they will learn English well, but the bigger the concentration gets, the more adults will just keep communicating in Chinese, making them a different population from Americans. Yeah, kids are the next generation, so this works OK for long-term assimilation, so long as LOTS MORE DON’T KEEP COMING AT ONCE. Though you’ve explained it well (the Hispanic and most other parents want it), I don’t know why California is different, and will stay different, than a place like Miami in this respect. Good luck.
I do realize that your original point was about violence levels of Hispanics with a concentration on California, so this is not to argue against your point of the article. That is not to say I don’t disagree still with some of your assumptions, but I want to leave this thread on good terms. ;-}
Have a happy Thanksgiving, Mr. Unz, and take a break from the internet for one day if you can. I’m gonna give it a try!
“One thing I would appreciate on the Populist/Conservative/Republican side: lay off with blaming the Jews. Look at Ireland: it used to be the most conservative European country by far. Now, it’s flooded with third-world immigrants, the prime minister is a homosexual from Pakistan. Jews, really? No, they did this to themselves, and need to sober up before it’s too late.”
I respond:
I think our immigration, cult marxism problems/horrors are a lot like Communism in Russia and Central Europe 100-80 years ago.
Not all of the worst Communists/radical anarchists were ethnic Jews then and not all ethnic jews then were Communists, but there was a huge correlation.
None other than Winston Churchill just noticed this. Churchill didn’t really offer much of a solution other than to say maybe Zionism might be a healthier alternative for the Jewish soul – but how did that turn out?
Winston Churchill: Communism vs Zionism a struggle for the Jewish soul:
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm
And yes, I agree bad Leftist Irish in Ireland or Irish Americans here in the USA are often as bad as the worst anti White Jews on issues of immigration, racial realities, but that doesn’t mean American Jews don’t overwhelmingly suck on immigration and Hollywood has never been more Jewish and produced more terrible anti White movies than it does now.
Well at least one of the worst Hollywood ethnic Jew pervert Jewish media mafia guys got taken down:
Harvey Weinstein:
the programming is relentless and maniacal, from every direction.
This
is the most evil thing that has ever existed!
They didn’t even want to be equal with all others!!!
But simultaneously – while we’re all exhorted to revile the Nazis as ‘racists’ and monsters and evil, evil, EVIL!
Out of the other side of our mouths, ‘our’ entire world view considers the genocidal expulsion of Arabs from Palestine, so that Jewish racial supremacists can steal their land, and oppress the Arabs under an iron boot of racism and hatred that numbs the very soul — not just as perfectly fine and nothing to worry about, but even as the most sacred of all our national aspirations, and something we’re willing to spill every last drop of American blood and treasure to secure.
IOW, when it’s Aryans who’re deporting foreigners out of their midst, it’s the most evil thing imaginable! But if it’s Jewish supremacists doing the same thing to their version of untermenchen, well then to even consider criticizing such a thing, can only mean you’re either a Nazi or a terrorist!
Such ragging hypocrisy is so over the top, it’s a wonder people’s heads don’t explode from all the cognitive dissonance.
Yes, it is of course.
But it will be lost on most people, because most people are not principled. A principled position is that if racial discrimination is wrong, it’s wrong across the board. But since we don’t live in a principled society, people are holding two contradictory morals in their heads simultaneously.
That racial discrimination is wrong, but only if it’s practiced against certain races. Whereas racial discrimination based purely on race, is sometimes a good thing, provided the race being discriminated is one that the elites of our society revile.
And the sheople bray their approval.
Returning to topic, (not that we were too far off), what I wonder about with all the talk of crime statistics, is how we can even have any faith in them, when clearly the numbers and data are being skewed in a certain verifiable way.
An observation on the thread by Mr. Unz
so I Bing’d Houston mugshots
Jonathan Pena
John Rivera
Race: White
https://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Texas/Houston-County-TX/
Is the thinking that this data is corrected somehow before the data is processed for statistical purposes?
Because if anything I’ve glimmered about the ADL-trained police is true, the whole purpose of dishonestly misclassifying obviously Hispanic men as ‘white’, is done specifically for the very purposes of skewing discussions like this one. And making violent, (child sexual assault in the two cases above) look as if these are the crimes of indigenous, white men. And not the “rapists” that Donald Trump was talking about.
My point not being that all Hispanic immigrants are rapists, (of course not), but rather that some of them are, and the people keeping tabs are cooking the books, in order to assure unlimited numbers of them continue to throng into the country, (rapists and otherwise).
Jose Lopez
Race: W
Jose Carmelo Lara
Race: W
https://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Texas/Bexar-County-TX/
How can we put so much stock in the statistics when they’re clearly falsified in a specific way- so that it seems to me, they mean next to nothing?
Unless as I said, these obvious errors are corrected, and I doubt that. The whole point IMHO, is to skew the statistics.
Spot on!
That is exactly the point I was trying to bring across with my comments. We have to evaluate the effect of Hispanic immigration not just with the narrow focus of homicide, and violent crime rates, etc., but understand the “bigger picture” implications of it and, accordingly, debate and “treat” the issue/problem in a more holistic way than we currently do.
The larger the Hispanic community grows the easier it will be for the drug cartels to blend into American society and establish major “beachheads” here. Immigrant communities give them cover and serve as camouflage.
Mexico’s Sinaloa drug cartel leaving deadly mark on Alabama
– https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/07/what_is_the_sinaloa_mexican_dr.html
Aryan was a term popularized in Britain, The Nazis borrowed the concept, and they never considered the Slavs to be non-Aryan.
It is already exceeding automobile accident deaths:
Bleak New Estimates in Drug Epidemic: A Record 72,000 Overdose Deaths in 2017
– https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/15/upshot/opioids-overdose-deaths-rising-fentanyl.html
Drug Deaths in America Are Rising Faster Than Ever
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/05/upshot/opioid-epidemic-drug-overdose-deaths-are-rising-faster-than-ever.html
Availability of the drug plays a huge role, of course, in the maintenance of a drug habit and Mexican drug cartels are the main supplier of illicit drugs in the U.S., ensuring a constant availability of cheap, powerful drugs, since they are wholesalers.
Many babies are born as addicts as a result of the opioid epidemic:
Babies Fall Victim to the Opioid Crisis
Born to women addicted to drugs or in treatment, newborns suffer through withdrawal, needing cuddling and often medication to recover
– https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/09/science-of-addiction-babies-opioids/
I am still not happy with data and some conclusions. I really would like to see the age distributions for H and W in California and in other states. I am sure the data is somewhere but I could not find it by looking on the surface that google can see.
Texas and Massachusetts argument? Incarceration rate:
TX/MA=2.92 (rate per 100,000 adults)
TX/MA=2.48 (rate per 100,000 of all ages)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_and_correctional_supervision_rate
In the ideal world crime statistics by race, ethnicity and sex in age brackets with age demographics would be easily available. Then the interpretations and spins by activists on either side of the debate could easily verified and debunked. We would avoid a lot of irrational arguments. Unfortunately we are not there. I sometimes wonder if it is so by design.
Well, that’s why my 2010 Hispanic Crime article took quite a bit of time and effort to produce. Among other things, I needed to get the individual racial age-distributions for each state from the Census data. I dug up my old spreadsheet and it looks like back then the relative H/W prime-crime adjustment ratio was actually much, much higher than what you’ve been assuming, being 1.6 for 18-29, 1.5 for 15-34, and 1.3 for 15-44. But since almost a decade has gone by, I assume they may have changed somewhat.
I already linked upthread the crucial page from the 2005 BOJ report providing statewide per capita incarceration separated by race:
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf#page=11
As you’ll see, the TX/MA white per capita incarceration ratio is 667/201 = 3.3. Obviously, much of it may be due to harsher criminal penalties in TX, but I’d still bet that TX whites are considerably more violent and criminal than those in MA.
I certainly agree. That’s the reason nobody had previously performed my Hispanic Crime analysis, and so many noted experts on all sides of the ideological divide were so shocked by my findings.
I assume that’s the case. After all, why else did the BOJ stop publishing their state-by-state incarceration statistics broken down by race in 2005? Everyone was also shocked when Heather Mac Donald somehow managed to obtain the secret “racial victimization data” a couple of years ago, which I mentioned upthread.
However, I’m very pleased to see that the recent CA violent crime arrest data you located seems to confirm that nothing much has changed racially since my 2010 analysis.
Look, I’ve endlessly addressed this silly issue, so widespread among the ignorant and the gullible…
Hispanic and white are officially overlapping categories, and depending upon the particular local police department (which circulates mugshots), Hispanic may be reported one way or the other.
This is *totally* different from prison systems, in which racially-based violence is a very serious problem, and Hispanics are therefore carefully identified in the records so that they can (often) be separated from whites. Obviously, this process isn’t perfect and there can be edge-effects (half Hispanic/white criminals), but it’s the best data we have, and therefore what I used.
It’s obvious you’re just too lazy to have bothered reading my Hispanic Crime article, in which I emphasized this exact point right at the beginning.
Very lazy commenters who choose to rant away in a totally ignorant fashion upon topics they clearly don’t understand simply destroy their credibility on everything else they say.
I suspect that on many other websites, such totally lazy and ignorant commenters would just be permanently banned, but I’m a generous person and don’t like to do that sort of thing…
It’s probably unrealistic to expect the type of feedback that you’d receive in a peer-reviewed academic article. Some of the posters here may have the capacity to do that, but it requires time they might not have and some dedication. It’s possible you’ll get few perceptive ideas thrown out that help you hone your own ideas and presentation. I hope you wouldn’t be averse to receiving them.
It’s worse on many of the other threads. Your articles tend to be well-prepared, and this raises the standards of the comments. The quality of the other articles is spotty and the opposite occurs. Even some of the well-known columnists are doing a lot of drive-by posts.
You’re kind of a puzzling figure, hosting a free speech platform while obviously being acutely aware that very few people have much useful to say.
Well Sir, I will concede a mea culpa on my ignorance, and whereas I have read some of your articles on the subject, I have not read them all.
But in fairness, I was more or less asking if the skewed data of the police departments were corrected for the official statistics.
If you say they are, then that’s good enough for me. You’re obviously far more erudite than I am, but I’m just trying to learn in my own humble, stumbling way, which must seem plodding and frustrating when I clog up your threads with chaff.
But there is one bright spot, and that is there are no doubt many other ignorant and lazy people out there, who also benefit from getting Mr. Unz hackles up, so that you put it out there point blank, and that registers with some of us thicker skull variety. (my dad used to say a two by four was the best method ; )
I appreciate that. I know I’ve taken liberties with off-color language and other stuff here on your site, so I’ll try to keep in mind that I’m a guest here, and do more homework/research.
Rurik ~ the penitent
Sure. But putting it the other way round, I think commenters should be able to understand why I sometimes lose my temper when I need to address an issue for the 20th or 30th time in comments, when I’d already carefully explained it in my original article. Incidentally, for those so interested, here’s the link one more time:
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/
“Lay off blaming the Jews.” Okay, the minute Jews “Lay off blaming the Nazis” for their phony Holocaust, and stop indoctrinating children in schools and visitors to those museums with their baloney, and confess their precious “Shoa” is a fib, we’ll lay off blaming the Jews. Don’t look for that to occur any time soon.
FYI,
Proposition 47 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_47_(2014) in California seems to have had the greater benefit for Hispanics in terms of lowering their total drug arrests relative to whites, and the greater benefit for whites in terms of lowering theirfelony drug arrests relative to Hispanics:
On the basis of expected counts because of secular and seasonal trends, we estimate that Prop 47 led to 20 460 fewer arrests of Whites during the first year, 7079 fewer arrests of Blacks, and 24 231 fewer arrests of Latinos (Table 2). These represent reductions of 19.0%, 22.5%, and 23.7%, respectively.
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The difference in the number of felony arrests made and the number expected on the basis of secular and seasonal trends was substantial. During the first year of its adoption, Prop 47 led to an estimated 51 985 fewer felony arrests among Whites, 15 028 fewer among Blacks, and 50 113 fewer among Latinos (Table 2). These represent reductions of 75.9%, 66.1%, and 73.7%, respectively. – https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304445
Drug Arrests Before and After Prop 47
The figure above shows both total drug arrests (left graph) and felony drug arrests (right graph) in California before and after Prop 47 was implemented. The dashed lines show expected arrest rates if Prop 47 had not passed.
Source: https://www.publichealthpost.org/databyte/drug-arrests-before-and-after-prop-47/
I don’t think there’s anything particularly anti-free speech with stating at the outset that you’ve put a lot of time and effort into preparing a particular article, and that comments will be moderated to maintain a high level of discourse.
Since only a small portion of my article focusing on Hispanic crime issues, I was very surprised how heavily the topic dominated the comments. But despite my considerable irritation, I’d have to admit I found this comment-thread very useful.
It’s probably been at least five or six years since I’d looked at my old article and the quantitative data behind it, and the fact that so many commenters now challenged my findings forced me to refresh my memory in some areas. Also, I’m very glad that “utu” located those CA 2015 statewide arrest data broken down by race and lots of other things, which I hadn’t realized existed. Among other things, it seems to strongly confirm that my previous findings, mostly based upon 2005 BOJ incarceration data, seem pretty much unchanged.
Here an insightful, short primer on the opioid epidemic from the NY Times:
The Facts on America’s Opioid Epidemic
No doubt.
I read it again. – Yes, I know, if I had read it before, why didn’t I remember the part about racial statistics being accounted for. I guess because it has been a while since I first read it, and forgot about that part. It is a very well-researched and cogent article, and with your caveats, seems rather unassailable.
But then my familiarity is more with Miami than LA, and so while you call Miami an outlier, it was once my backyard, and I knew it pretty well. But I’ll confess that even so, it was always Overtown or Liberty City that you wanted to avoid like the plague, if you valued your life and property. And those areas were not Hispanic, but black.
I can’t speak for Miami so much anymore, as I’ve long since moved away. But as my most recent experiences with it was bearing witness to a Pit Bull NYE celebration, it isn’t just the crime that I’m not regretting leaving behind. It’s also the culture and general tenor of the place.
And I notice you also cover those aspects in your excellent article.
Yes, your commenters are not always university trained academics, or researchers or statisticians, and you have more than your fair share of ideologues and trolls and dunderheads, but I still consider it the best website of its kind that I’ve ever seen. Your forbearance with the moderator button is refreshing, and even if it means skipping over some of the more obnoxious posters, it isn’t hard to figure out who they are, and simply avoid reading their tripe. Because in between there are often times some amazing gems, and that’s what makes this oasis of free-speech, in a desert of PC, so uniquely rousing. So please continue to put up with some of us less-than-scholarly clods, because there are more of us out there in the world, and elevating ‘us’ will have more profound effects on the world than the PHDs and academics in their ivory towers – I humbly posit.
Just found:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#comment-2634716
That was my comment that Rurik quoted, and you missed the unnamed straw man I was invoking, namely, those by whom we’re taught. I think proponents of affirmative action would quickly counter by saying that affirmative action laws have been passed by representative bodies working through deliberative process, and mostly supported by a judiciary independent of both the legislative and executive branches.
Have a great Thanksgiving all!
Mr. Unz and contributors,
All this is very well but, possibly off topic, how do we rescue TRUMPISM from Trump?
Is the Trump now in office still the one who articulated its principles (of Trumpism) or has he been replaced by a virtual reality produced by Zuckerberg’s boys in order to discredit all that Donald Trump committed to during his election campaign and in his inaugural address. I know, it may look like the mother of all conspiracy theories but there is just too much power and money that could have been at risk, don’t you think?
Silence Speaks: The Relationship between Immigration and the Underreporting of Crime
– https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0011128715599993
Tough immigration enforcement likely hinders public cooperation with the police, and may undermine crime reporting.
On average, the 40 metropolitan areas sampled in our study experienced a 3-percentage point increase from 1990 to 2000 in the proportion of noncitizen residents. The probability of violent crime reporting fell between 24-35 percent in cities that had more than a 5-percentage point increase in their share of noncitizen residents (see Figure 2). Places like Atlanta, Dallas, and Phoenix, that experienced a large growth in the proportion of their noncitizen residents, may therefore endure the greatest barriers to the reporting of violent crime.
Source: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/64300/1/blogs.lse.ac.uk-Tough%20immigration%20enforcement%20likely%20hinders%20public%20cooperation%20with%20the%20police%20and%20may%20undermine%20cri.pdf
Figure 1 – Change in the Relative Size of the Noncitizen Population across US Metropolitan Areas from 1990 to 2000
Figure 2 – The Probability of Reporting Violent Crime to the Police in a Metropolitan Area by Change in the Relative Size of the Noncitizen Population
Source: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2015/10/28/tough-immigration-enforcement-likely-hinders-public-cooperation-with-the-police-and-may-undermine-crime-reporting/ Archived link: http://archive.is/sMln1
Thanks for this informative video.
But examining the facts, it is still unclear about the veracity of a direct link to Mexican immigrants.
i) Fentanyl emerged out of the laboratory, obviously unrelated to the presence of Mexicans in the US.
ii) The US healthcare system has perverse incentives to overprescribe.
iii) The regions in the US where the epidemic is the worst are in fact where Mexicans are the fewest in number, and have been present for the shortest time (OH, WV, PA).
So there may be an indirect link for the reasons they discuss (more Mexicans means a greater pool of people for Sinaloa operatives to conceal themselves within). But then again, if the drug trade were still centered in Colombia (as was the case in the 1980s and 90s), the influx of Mexicans would not have been the conduit.
It is true that illegality, rather than Mexican-ness, was a bigger fact in the establishment of a conduit from the Sinaloa cartel to suburban Ohio.
I don’t know if you read the article I shared with you earlier, but the reason for the higher death toll on the East Coast is likely the following:
– https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/15/upshot/opioids-overdose-deaths-rising-fentanyl.html
I don’t know how much is fictionalized in the series NARCOS but the Mexican cartel that was bringing in lots of weed also started to bring in the Columbians cocaine when the Caribbean routes started to be cut off.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/feature/a870644/narcos-mexico-real-life-true-story/
From what I have read the normal situation is somebody who starts using prescription opiods for a variety of reasons, many simply to control pain after surgery or a severe injury. When they can no longer get presciption opiods they turn to street heroin. Mexico (at the behest of the US government) grew opium poppies during WWII to make morphine for wounded GIs. It is the remant of this that is the heroin that used to come from the Mexican cartels. Heroin has always been around in the Hispanic community. Now they are importing all sorts of drugs from around the world.
The cartels do send people up north to guard their safehouses and establish routes. During the big cocaine busts in the 80s in the LA area we had some in Sylmar where a whole warehouse had cocaine and it was manned by foreign nationals.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/massive-drug-busts/16/
Mexicans were not responsible for the Do-It-Yourself Meth Scourge of the 1990’s among white proles either.
That one was stopped when Ephedrine was banned and my feeling is the same would be true of heroin pills.
Mexicans are Johnny Come Lately to the heroin trade anyhow. Chinese and Sicilians were in it for 100 years.
If Mexican cartels disappeared, Chinese and Italian crime groups will take over again.
True, but that does not mean Mexicans are directly culpable, since regional variance in the processed form on the drug. It just means that the combination method in the East (where there are fewer Mexicans) is different than in the West.
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In addition, it is quite possible that the Sinaloa Cartel wants to stop the deaths even more than Americans do (entirely for business reasons), as a dead customer can’t buy more. Keeping them addicted but alive greatly increases lifetime demand.
It occurs to me that the heroin sellers actually have a big problem courtesy of fentanyl : too many young customers dying too quickly. 1.7M YLL each year shrinks the heroin sellers’ market.
Another question :
i) It appears the 2018 total drug overdose death will be 80,000! That is immense, and is twice as much as auto deaths. Until three days ago, I had no idea the number was skyrocketing this much.
But then why does it not show up in the CDC death table (2016 linked here, which was still a high enough number)? For younger age brackets, surely even the 2016 number was in the Top 10. Is it categorized as something else (like ‘Unintentional Injury’)?
The government is not supposed to advantage citizens on the basis of their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or citizenship status. So called “Affirmative Action” is a fancy term for demagoguery: Politicians forming and gerrymandering voting blocks from those factions by giving them special recognition. Happy Thanksgiving.
Data I just found on San Jose:
San Jose crime rate surpasses U.S. average, arrests plummet
– https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/12/16/san-jose-crime-rate-surpasses-u-s-average-arrests-plummet/
Editorial: Crime in Oakland goes down, rises in San Jose — what’s up with that? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/13/editorial-crime-in-oakland-goes-down-rises-in-san-jose-whats-up-with-that/
Just as the London School of Economics researchers forecasted:
The probability of violent crime reporting fell between 24-35 percent in cities that had more than a 5-percentage point increase in their share of noncitizen residents (see Figure 2). – http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2015/10/28/tough-immigration-enforcement-likely-hinders-public-cooperation-with-the-police-and-may-undermine-crime-reporting/
Figure 1 – Change in the Relative Size of the Noncitizen Population across US Metropolitan Areas from 1990 to 2000
Figure 2 – The Probability of Reporting Violent Crime to the Police in a Metropolitan Area by Change in the Relative Size of the Noncitizen Population
Source: http://archive.is/sMln1
Language is a very fascinating subject, alas I do not know very much about it.
One statement about language came to my mind, if it is in the mentioned book, do not remember now.
But the statement is something like ‘speaking (maybe also writing) is much easier than listening (and certainly reading, my idea), because when one speaks one just is involved with one brain, when listening with two, what is being listened to must be translated, and/or fitted in, one’s own brain’.
On top of this, the deterioration of education in the west, that began around 1960.
Anyone a college degree, and nonsense like that: Lasch.
Sarrazin wrote that hardly anyone can read an intelligent article of a few pages any more, that is, reading and understanding.
This lack of education, the problem, according to Sarrazin, is that good education increases social differences, in my opinion may well be the cause of several present problems: CO2 hysteria, fake news, derivatives.
Real, that is factual discussion, has become rare.
Mud slinging came in its place.
Voltaire long ago died: I completely disagree with you, but I’ll do anything so that you can utter your ideas’.
Maurice Merleau-Ponty, ‘Conciousness and the Acquisition of Language’, Evanston, 1973 (La Conscience et l’acquisition du langue, Bulletin de psychologie, 1964)
Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010
Christopher Lasch, ‘The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations’, 1979, 1980, London
William H. Whyte, ‘The organisation man’, New York 1956, Penguin 1961
Whyte was a long time before Lasch, but I wonder if he did not address the same problems.
Thus, having to explain the same thing over and over again, nothing special, these days.
Maybe it never was different: Goebbels.
David, I’m agin’ it, AA that is.
I think I was trying to point out how relatively easy it is to dismiss well-founded dissent by pointing out that Crap Idea X, such as affirmative action, enjoys legitimacy because its proponents have made the “long march through the institutions”, where dissent and alternatives, I guess, were found wanting.
The good news may be that affirmative action and a whole raft of other Crap Ideas are now mature, and their defects more readily seen, maybe even by the onetime cheerleaders for Crap Idea.
Oh by the way, he’s gay too. Enjoy!
I think the difference to the ’90s is that many illicit drugs have become so much cheaper and therefore more people, especially younger, curious people can afford them, try and “experiment” with them. That was not the case in the past:
INTERACTIVE: Explore how illegal drugs have become cheaper and more potent over time
https://www.statnews.com/2016/11/16/illegal-drugs-price-potency/
Source: http://archive.is/ajftm
Why a bag of heroin costs less than a pack of cigarettes
– https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/08/27/why-a-bag-of-heroin-costs-less-than-a-pack-of-cigarettes-2/ and http://archive.is/9Egrh
Of course individual immigrants and their families are not responsible, but the bigger the Hispanic (not just Mexican) communities grow in the U.S. the more confident and bold the drug cartels will become, because, like I pointed out upthread http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2634372 , they will have more cover and manpower here.
One can observe this in Chicago, for example:
Mexicans and ‘Hispanics’, now the largest minority in Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/hoy/ct-mexicans-and-hispanics-largest-minority-in-chicago-20171013-story.html
Why Mexico’s Sinaloa Cartel Loves Selling Drugs in Chicago
https://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2013/Sinaloa-Cartel/
– http://archive.is/WppPx#selection-1407.1-1419.175
Chicago and Its Mexican Immigrants—a Need Like No Other
Source: https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/blog/global-insight/chicago-and-its-mexican-immigrants-need-no-other and http://archive.is/vx9C1
Probably. Very good example of “collateral damage” War-/Newspeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
In U.S., rise in drug overdoses make accidental injury the 3rd leading cause of death
– https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/In-U-S-rise-in-drug-overdoses-make-accidental-12446203.php
Overdoses are injuries too
– https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2610611/
My uncle was a big wig with Ma Bell, the telephone company. He and his family owned a house in San Jose, and we went there to visit them. The town was not quite finished at that juncture, with many tract home neighborhoods still under construction. and so-called “Silicon Valley” was still a gleam in the eyes of the nerd contingent. It was a nice place to visit, and the population was generally content with their surroundings. In other words, the government had not yet enticed litigious, race-conscious and entitlement-driven minorities to coexist with the gentry by conveying the considerable costs of housing and other expenses upon the taxpayers. Once the government became involved with mixing the social fabric up with “Diversity”, things quickly went downhill.
I understand what you were conveying. My point is that no altruism factors into government-enforced “Diversity”. Affirmative Action in any capacity betrays demagoguery, and the efforts of Socialist/Marxist political candidates to fashion voting blocks from government dependents. You would think after so many cultures collapsed from the fiscal and social malaise occurring in the wake of such schemes, while tyrants reigned with iron fist authority, even blacks would understand why they’e being corralled into the Democrat Voting Booths.
In the 1990’s middle-class whites used cocaine and poorer ones did meth-neither of which were inexpensive.
A good many whites became burglars and thieves and prostitutes to support their addiction.
No matter how big of a coke head a middle-class white was, he could not always get cocaine.
As a result, many whites just gradually stop using it as they get older.
You know the funny thing Unz in one of Coulter’s recent Tweets she said we should deport the Dreamers first and then the felons and the lowest priority is non violent illegals. She said no one minds the peaceful illegal immigrants or something to that effect. I can’t find the text but I remember here saying something like that. Here is a text I found from her ““I actually like all of the illegal immigrants except the DREAMers. They’re the ones I want deported first because they’re the activists,”.
Oh wait I found it “You’re regular illegal alien, the ones not going on TV every night and demanding amnesty, they’re actually really sweet and hard workers. I’ve always said that about … illegal aliens. They’re so friendly and they really do work hard. So nobody really minds them, it’s the DREAMers who have to go first.”
Coulter ~ “SO NOBODY REALLY MINDS THEM”
Your findings were diametrically opposed to the truth because you made a fully inverted assumption about the average age of those incarcerated and then massively adjusted for that when you should have adjusted in exactly the opposite direction.
In other words, Hispanic rates of crime are ludicrously high when you properly adjust for their median age.
Considering that they tend to move to America from the most crime-ridden countries in the world, this is an ordinary observation.
In one of his articles he mentions California and the coming age of white nationalism. I don’t know which one it was in.
“My point is that no altruism factors into government-enforced “Diversity”. (emphasis mine)
Spot on, DB. My guess is that some underlying psychological component of affirmative action, as it was origimally conceived to help Blacks, was craven fear: “Gosh, if we don’t give something to Blacks, they’ll burn all our cities.” Call it Danelaw money, tribute or protection. The piously high-minded tone that surrounded the idea originally, the bureaucratization of AA’s application in the real world, and the gaming of the idea by corporate America to favor White women all make AA my candidate for America’s #1 Crap Idea. Hurting innocent people to unduly benefit uninjured parties seems to me just plain evil, and that’s what AA does.
Translation:
“Privileged white bitch likes subservient cheap labor.”
Here some more videos on the drug cartel presence in Chicago.
Since Chicago is their main distribution hub it makes sense why the opioid and opiate epidemic is so severe in the Upper Midwest and Northeast and their presence likely also has played a big role in the exploding violence in Chicago over the last several years. Like I pointed out upthread, we don’t really know how many of the blacks in Chicago were killed by other blacks or by Hispanics since up to 70% of homicides don’t get solved in Chicago: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2629202 and http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2629421
Mexican cartel drug war adding to Chicago violence
“El Chapo’s” Chicago connection
Feds: A Chicago hub in latest Sinaloa Cartel drug plot
I wouldn’t lower the bar for any illegal alien to remain in the U.S. American Citizenship is a sacred commitment for immigrants to swear their allegiance to. One disheartening trend we hear regularly entails Hyphenated Citizenship. We’re no longer Americans, we’re “Mexican-Americans”, “African- Americans”, “Native-Americans”, etc. These terms inhibit the vital process of amalgamating cultures into a society of self sufficient, patriotic and sovereign citizens. If your origin pedigree gets top billing to define your ‘special’ status, as far as I’m concerned, you should be deported to the former.
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, probably because you’re not from California. There is zero “insolvency” apparent in California state government currently. But as Mr. Unz and Fox have told you, there HAVE been large scale influxes of foreign immigrants. What might surprise you however, is that most of those come from the resettlement of American toadies and their families after our successive wars in SE Asia. The Hmong being chief among them. The thing that you don’t know about this is that these are exceptionally hard-working people who spend as little time as possible on state provided assistance. And in the long-run they’ll contribute more the California’s collective ethics and prosperity than Caucasians have since the 60’s. The Latinos you hear about from Fox and Breitbart (most of whom are also hard-working and family driven) are taking a little longer to become decent American citizens, but that can be chalked up to their long, long history of being slaves to the Spanish and the Catholic Church. I have no doubt that they’ll come around providing legal immigration avenues are maintained and illegal immigration is curtailed by a wall impossible to more around. The latter which shouldn’t be difficult for a nation that’s spent close to $10T on gratuitous foreign wars since just 2001.
Here is another expert on the situation that confirms that the large law enforcement and military presence in El Paso, among other things, is a big contributor to the low crime rate in the city:
Why is the violent crime rate low in El Paso, Tx vs. Juarez, Mexico | Science Cafe
You may be aware that Lincoln wanted blacks deported from our country. At the very least, he would have kept that group out of politics, educational institutions and government employment. There are indeed people who hate blacks, but there are those who hate white people, Asians, Jews, Hispanics, Indians, etc. I don’t recommend that you harbor such sentiments toward anyone, but the government and social groups engender such enmity between races, genders and nationalities. The fracturing of a citizenship into competing factions serves those who seek to impose the power of government to advantage one group over another, thus creating conflict, fostering an entitlement mentality and the arrogant flaunting by favored groups of their advantages. There is no more destructive ideology than a society divided by their leaders and their media to expand the power of the mediators.
Here video of the female Hispanic LAPD captain who blew the whistle on a crime misclassifying scandal in the department:
LAPD captain accuses department of underreporting violent crimes
The LAPD chief claims she is lying and is litigious:
LAPD Chief Calls Crime Stats Accusations ‘Damn Lies’
– https://web.archive.org/web/20181123192936/https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/12/16/san-jose-crime-rate-surpasses-u-s-average-arrests-plummet/
At 47 so far, San Jose headed for most homicides in 25 years
Posted: Dec 29, 2016
https://www.ktvu.com/news/226218335-video
Reward Offered to Keep San Jose Homicide Case from Going Cold
KPIX CBS SF Bay Area
Published on Sep 7, 2018
More examples of cold cases of homicides in San Jose in recent years:
Cold Blooded San Jose Murder Caught On Camera
KPIX CBS SF Bay Area
Published on Jul 19, 2016
Here a report on a Hispanic San Jose police officer who allegedly tipped off Vietnamese gang members:
San Jose Cop Caught Up In Multi-State Gang Of Thrones Sweep
KPIX CBS SF Bay Area
Published on Aug 24, 2016
San Jose police officer Derrick Antonio taken into custody during multi-state ‘Gang of Thrones’ sweep. Betty Yu reports. (8/24/16)
Well, as I’ve already mentioned a couple of times upthread, I find it a little irritating when totally incompetent obsessives Google around a little and leave comments with whatever random facts they happen to encounter…
For example, it’s perfectly true that San Jose had a major homicide spike in 2016. This was due to unknown causes, possibly just random fluctuations due to the very small number. But homicides then fell by around 40% in 2017, and may be even lower this year. Indeed, Bay Area homicides have generally plunged to historical lows in 2018:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Bay-Area-homicides-plunge-to-historic-lows-in-13055488.php
On a quantitative basis, here are the recent homicide statistics for America’s 30 largest cities:
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/2018_09_CrimeAnalysisV5.pdf#page=4
Note that in 2017 and 2018, San Jose homicide rates were among the lowest in America, for example 85% lower than Chicago and 70% lower than Phoenix. Also note that they’re considerably below the figures for Portland, OR and Seattle, WA, two of the whitest cities in America.
Also, since homicide reporting is close to 100%, it provides a good check against the validity of other violent crime reporting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_Americans#Poverty
FEW TO FEEL AID CUT MORE THAN THE STRUGGLING HMONG
– https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1997-10-06-9710060196-story.html
Hmong marijuana growers in California fight attempts to shut them down
A Hmong community turned out to be quite efficient growers of cannabis. County officials were not happy.
– https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hmong-marijuana-growers-in-california-fight-attempts-to-shut-them-down/
Did you also notice that compared to the 1990 homicide rate (4.5) San Jose in 2017 and 2018 (3.0) = around 30% decrease, had one of the smallest, relative drops/decreases of all the major cities in the U.S., Mr. Unz.
Seattle dropped from 10.3 in 1990 to 3.7 in 2017 and 4.5 in 2018 = around 60% decrease
Portland dropped from 7.5 in 1990 to 3.5 in 2017 and 3.7 in 2018. = around 50% decrease
San Jose was 50% non-Hispanic white in 1990 and 29% in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California#Demographics
Seattle was 74% non-Hispanic white in 1990 and 66% in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle#Demographics
Portland was 83% non-Hispanic white in 1990 and 72% in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon#Demographics
San Jose actually had one of the highest homicide clearance rates in the Bay Area from 2006 to 2012, but gangs must have been moving into the area and so crime clearance rates have been dropping:
Majority of killings go unsolved in Bay Area’s most violent cities, FBI data shows
Source: https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/11/13/majority-of-killings-go-unsolved-in-bay-areas-most-violent-cities-fbi-data-shows/
Richmond, CA which had the lowest homicide/crime clearance rate was around 40% Hispanic in 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond,_California#Demographics
Veteran Richmond Officer Fired, Accused Of Corruption
KPIX CBS SF Bay Area
Published on Dec 19, 2014
‘We’re taking this seriously’: DA reviewing cases involving Richmond cop tied to drug cartel
– https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/13/were-taking-this-seriously-da-reviewing-cases-involving-richmond-cop-tied-to-drug-cartel/
Warrant mysteriously dismissed for fugitive linked to huge Bay Area drug ring
– https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/04/14/contra-costa-feds-dismiss-warrant-for-fugitive-connected-to-huge-drug-case/
Addenum:
San Jose was 5% black in 1990 and 3% black in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California#Demographics
Seattle was 10% black in 1990 and 8% black in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle#Demographics
Portland was 8% black in 1990 and 6% in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon#Demographics
Having a 50% smaller share of a city’s population be black should have a significant effect on homicides rates in that city, e.g. San Jose, El Paso, etc.
San Jose’s share of their black population actually decreased 40% from 1990 to 2010.
For Seattle and Portland it was merely 20% and 25% , respectively, which makes their relative drop in homicide rates compared to San Jose even more impressive and larger http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2637420
Youth Homicide Rates by Race in the U.S.
– https://www.realclearscience.com/journal_club/2013/07/22/youth_homicide_rates_by_race_in_the_us_106602.html
El Chapo actually put a hit out for Jack Riley when he worked at the Mexican border:
– https://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/07/16/dea-deputy-chief-targeted-for-murder-by-drug-kingpin-el-chapo-vows-to-recapture-him/
In this video he talks about his experiences with El Chapo:
Wives of members of El Chapo’s drug cartel speak out
Published on Jun 19, 2017
I don’t know how accurate these rumors were, but El Chapo also threatened to kill Donald Trump, which I believe gave him a huge boost and a competitive edge in the primaries.
Donald J. Trump was elected POTUS thanks to El Chapo and his Twitter-using sons!
Donald Trump on Escaped Drug Lord El Chapo: ‘You Can’t Be Intimidated’
El Chapo’s Sons Show Force On Social Media
If you didn’t so studiously ignore straightforward simple arguments that completely upend your articles then people might not be so tempted to take potshots…
Do you have any data? As someone who replied to you pointed out, the two areas you mention are much better than LA.
And, from what I can see, Indo-Canadians do very well educationally, are affluent, and have lower crime rates than white Canadians.
“There is zero insolvency apparent in California State Government…” Probably not “Apparent”, because the media and government would avoid candid assessments of our fiscal health to ferret out deficits and unfunded liability levels. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown is the epitome of liberal existential greed, as he searches for more taxpayer veins to tap in the wake of Proposition 13 to recoup the revenue losses from that measure. Look for these recent fires to be exploited to bolster the liberal crusade to end “Global Warming/Climate Change” by jacking up gas taxes, and increasing costs of vehicle registrations and sales taxes. Liberal tax increases are like city buses; if you miss this one, another one will come along in a few minutes.
San Jose also has the highest median household income of those three cities you cited:
2017 median income by city
San Jose $105,000
Seattle $87,000
Portland $66,000
Source: https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/09/see_2017_median_income_of_any.html
Plus, its much smaller black community when compared to Seattle and Portland http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2637611 should mean that San Jose should have a much lower homicide rate in comparison to Seattle and Portland if your thesis of low Hispanic crime rates and crime propensity were correct.
Imagine if San Jose’s black population were 8% or 6% of the population as it is, respectively, currently the case for Seattle and Portland instead of just 3%.
If instead of 30,000 blacks living in San Jose, there would be 80,000 or 60,000 blacks living in the city, the city’s homicide rate would easily double or maybe even triple.
Compare Albuquerque to San Jose, for example, similar demographics (small black population), but the median household income is half that of San Jose’s and it is not located within the southern border’s “100-mile border zone” like El Paso, Santa Ana and San Diego are, which has a large, crime-suppressing military and law enforcement presence http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2627491 and http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2627346
Albuquerque median household income in 2017: $50,000 https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/09/see_2017_median_income_of_any.html
Albuquerque demographics in 2010: 42% non-Hispanic white, 3% black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albuquerque,_New_Mexico#Demographics
It has a much higher homicide rate:
– https://www.abqjournal.com/1087720/number-of-murders-in-albuquerque-surpasses-last-years-totals.html
and one of the highest property crime rates among larger cities:
Source: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/no-seattle-doesnt-have-the-nations-highest-rate-of-property-crime/
I think Albuquerque is a much more realistic example of what America would look like with a large Hispanic population than San Jose, El Paso, Santa Ana, San Diego or even Los Angeles etc. are.
Suspect in Albuquerque murder may be tied to more
Published on Apr 6, 2017
“Police say three suspected cartel members, charged with murder, are responsible for more. Court documents indicate at least one of the trio is linked to two other murders and a pot farm.”
Video: Cartels in New Mexico
These are the current “Border Patrol Agent Duty Locations”:
The Border Patrol staffs various locations across the United States based on mission need. Currently, all new agents will be stationed along the southwest border. Agents may have the opportunity to change duty locations after some period of time. Locations that CBP is currently hiring for are located on job announcements posted to USAJobs. – https://www.cbp.gov/careers/frontline-careers/bpa/duty-locations
Border Patrol Sectors https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-patrol-sectors
El Paso Sector Texas
The El Paso Sector employs approximately 2,400 Border Patrol Agent positions, six permanent vehicle checkpoints and patrols 268 miles of international border. The sector encompasses 125,500 square miles. – https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-patrol-sectors/el-paso-sector-texas
San Diego Sector California
The San Diego Sector encompasses 56,831 square miles including 931 miles of coastal border from the California border with Mexico north to Oregon. […] Although the smallest Border Patrol sector geographically, San Diego Sector was the busiest sector for illegal entries, accounting for more than 40 percent of nationwide apprehensions in the early nineties. For decades, this area was the preferred corridor for illegal entries due to the highly populated neighborhoods north and south of the border. The region gained national attention with the inception of Operation Gatekeeper on October 1, 1994, an initiative that aimed to restore integrity and safety at the Nation’s busiest border. The former Immigration and Naturalization Service, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of California, and the Executive Office for Immigration Review committed unprecedented resources and implemented innovative strategies to reverse decades of neglect along the San Diego border. – https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-patrol-sectors/san-diego-sector-california
Tucson Sector Arizona
Tucson Sector covers most of the State of Arizona from the New Mexico State line to the Yuma County line. This area covers a total of 262 border miles and we are one of the busiest sectors in the country in both illegal alien apprehensions and marijuana seizures. We currently have approximately 4,200 agents working the eight stations in Tucson Sector. – https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-patrol-sectors/tucson-sector-arizona
Ron, I don’t know whether you’re aware of the following research from Yale, which seriously undercuts some of your arguments: https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/09/mit-yale-study-of-govt-data-finds-22-1-mil-illegal-immigrants-in-u-s/
“The number of illegal immigrants in the United States is nearly double the current and widely reported estimate of 11.3 million, according to a new academic study that uses a more precise method. The research was conducted by professors from two of the nation’s most prestigious universities, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Yale, and determined that 22.1 million illegal aliens live in the U.S. Even when implementing extremely conservative parameters, the study measures a population of 16.7 million, which is still substantially higher than the figure that is universally accepted by the government and media.
The MIT and Yale researchers say the currently used inaccurate number is based on data from population surveys, which is not very reliable for measuring hidden populations. “In this method, the size of the unauthorized immigrant population residing in the United States is set equal to the estimate of the total foreign-born population minus the legally resident foreign-born population,” researchers write in their report. “The total foreign-born population estimate is derived from surveys that ask respondents whether they were born outside of the United States (and whether they are American citizens), specifically either the American Community Survey or the Current Population Survey.” One of the study’s key researchers, MIT Professor Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, says surveys aren’t the best method to count illegal immigrants because they probably want to stay undetected. “It’s likely that undocumented immigrants are more difficult to locate and survey than other foreign-born residents and if contacted, they may be inclined to misreport their country of origin, citizenship, and number of household residents, fearing the legal consequences of revealing their status,” Fazel-Zarandi said in a university publication.”
“Violence down?” said Dr. Scalea. “I don’t think so.” – http://archive.is/yEvsj#selection-4403.0-4403.53
From the WSJ:
In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence
After a steady decline through the 1990s, the annual number of homicides zigzagged before resuming a decline in 2007, falling from 16,929 that year to an estimated 14,722 in 2010, according to FBI crime data.
At the same time, medical data and other surveys in the U.S. show a rising number of serious injuries from assaults with guns and knives. The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program. The CDC estimates showed the number of people injured in serious stabbings rose to 23,550 from 22,047 over the same period. – http://archive.is/yEvsj#selection-4149.0-4153.579
Another example of a growing Hispanic population and an increase in drug-related crimes and overdose deaths, this time from Salt Lake City, UT:
Utah’s Latino population skyrockets 78% in 10 years
2010 census • Group’s population grew 78% in 10 years; it’s now 13% of state’s total.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=51307553&itype=CMSID
SLC police chief blames crime surge on county jail restrictions; sheriff disputes any link to his lock-up policy
Restrictions • Mike Brown cites inability to interrupt bad behavior; sheriff disputes interpretation of crime stats.
– http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=5143968&itype=CMSID
Cartel presence in Utah ‘exploding’ with violence likely to increase, police warn
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865607788/Cartel-presence-in-Utah-exploding-with-violence-likely-to-increase-police-warn.html
It’s the same story in Chicago:
The Bleeding of Chicago
America’s third-largest city has built one of the world’s best trauma care systems. But that success might be obscuring the true scale of its gun violence.
– https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/02/the-bleeding-of-chicago/554141/
The interesting development I detected is that the neighborhoods in Chicago that have had the largest increases in their Hispanic populations actually are the most violence-prone. They are still predominately African-American, I believe, but Hispanics are moving in and the increase in violence is likely the result of gang warfare between Hispanics and blacks (and maybe even Asians) “Chicago Gang Database Targets Black and Latino Men” http://archive.is/euE9k :
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20181125183851/https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/02/the-bleeding-of-chicago/554141/
If the racial population trends continue over the next 10 years in a similar fashion to how they have since 2000, the non-White Hispanic population will jump from 3rd to 1st in terms of sheer numbers. While the Black population dropped over 11% (from just over a million to 887,600 in 2010) and the White population dropped nearly 6% (over 907,000 in 2000 to 854,700 today), the Hispanic population has increased over 3% (779,000 today from approximately 754,000 in 2000).
[…]
In 2000, there were three community areas with populations over 80% Hispanic: Lower West Side (88.9%), Hermosa (83.9%), and South Lawndale (83%). Despite the increase in citywide Hispanic population, all three of these community areas saw a decrease in Hispanic residents. Neighborhoods like Pilsen (Lower West Side) and Little Village (South Lawndale) seem to have lost Hispanic residents to neighboring community areas. As the map shows, there were heavy increases in Hispanic population to the west and northwest of Hermosa, the east of the Lower West Side, and both north and south of South Lawndale. – https://web.archive.org/web/20181125184325/http://bigshouldersatlas.blogspot.com/2011/03/2010-census-neighborhood-demographic.html
DNA and ancestry data used to solve 50-year-old murder case of Harvard student
Michael Sumpter, who was 54 when he died of cancer in 2001, was connected to Britton’s murder through the FBI’s Combined DNA Index System and confirmed through a biological brother.
– https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dna-ancestry-data-used-solve-50-year-old-murder-case-n938561?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Michael Sumpter is pictured in mugshots taken in June 1968, about six months before he is believed to have raped and murdered Harvard graduate student Jane Britton in her Cambridge apartment.
Source: https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/jane-britton-police-solve-50-year-old-murder-of-harvard-student-using-dna-ancestry-database/877505664
The bottom line on illegal immigrants is that they’re a voting block for liberal democrats. That’s it, plain and simple. What SHOULD be done to ensure proper elections–Providing proof of U.S. Citizenship, and the Right to Vote–are both cast aside, so even if some “Undocumented Aliens” don’t go to the polls, those ballot boxes can be stuffed by ballots from non-existent, expired or quadrupedal constituents. Many an election has been swung toward democrats by absentee voters.
Hey, Russia just defeated Ukraine in a naval battle.
Ukraine is preparing to declare martial law.
This may be true, but it may have been what Democrats had hoped for, i.e. that the influx of Hispanics delivers the beat-down on blacks and drives them into rural areas (but after that, when an area is all-Hispanic, the crime is lower). This may have been what happened in Ron’s favorite example of East Palo Alto.
But the fact remains, when all factors are considered and adjusted for (age, gender balance, immigrant vs. 2nd-gen, etc.), what is the Hispanic crime rate? Ron Unz says it is just 1.2x that of whites, whereas the overwhelming evidence provided by FKA Max points to something closer to 2.5x (still much lower than the 7x rate of blacks, but still high).
What is the right number?
Visit Brampton or East Vancouver.
Of course Canada is mostly white so crime rates might even out but whites with gang tendencies either joinbiker gangs or enter ethnic mafias.
Sonce whites are good at committing crimes and not getting caught it is hard to rely on statistics whereas Cholos and Mestizos cannot stesl a bike without getting caught mich less kill Jimmy Hoffa.
You are not going to meet many blacks living off crime North Jersey McMansions
like a capo di capo because blacks and Mestizos are stupider.
So while a Capo di Capo like Gotti may be responsible for 100 murders the fact is that on statistics he does not show up.
Those people have been squabbling since the earth’s crust cooled. America needs to steer clear of foreign conflicts and forge our economic and energy independence. We also need to seal our borders and rid our leadership of demagogues.
One Nation, Overdosed: Documentary On The Deadliest Drug Crisis In American History (Full) | MSNBC
This City’s Overdose Deaths Have Plunged. Can Others Learn From It?
Dayton, Ohio, had one of the highest overdose death rates in the nation in 2017. The city made many changes, and fatal overdoses are down more than 50 percent from last year.
– https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/25/health/opioid-overdose-deaths-dayton.html
Pellets, planes and the new frontier
How Mexican heroin cartels are targeting small-town America
– https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/09/24/pellets-planes-and-the-new-frontier/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorain,_Ohio
These Are The 10 Ohio Cities With The Largest Hispanic Population For 2018
– https://www.homesnacks.net/most-hispanic-cities-in-ohio-1210781/
Cleveland’s Hispanic population doubled from 1990 to 2010 from 5% to 10%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland#Demographics
Mexican cartel moves into Northeast Ohio, three year investigation sends 19 to federal prison
News 5 Cleveland
Published on May 11, 2018
Ohio lost over 500,000 years of life due to opioid epidemic, report finds
The study looked at overdose deaths in the state between 2010 and 2016. Statewide across that seven year period, 13,059 people died from opioid overdoses, according to the study’s researchers. Over that period an estimated 519,471 years of life were lost in Ohio.
[…]
Researchers calculated the years of life lost by taking the age of each decedent and subtracting it from the standard life expectancy accounting for gender. Life expectancy was determined from the Social Security Administration and the data used for analysis were provided by the Ohio Department of Health.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20181126200705/https://www.morningjournal.com/news/ohio/ohio-lost-over-years-of-life-due-to-opioid-epidemic/article_e443a1cc-bb42-55ef-84ef-6741a00ee6ba.html
People are still using and overdosing, but fewer are dying thanks to Narcan and this change “By mid-2017 carfentanil’s presence was fading — maybe in part because traffickers realized how much of their customer base it was killing, said Timothy Plancon, the Drug Enforcement Administration special agent in charge of Ohio.” http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2642280 :
Lorain County predicts lowest number of opioid overdoses since 2012
– https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-lorain/lorain-county-predicts-lowest-number-of-opioid-overdoses-since-2012
This article is complete garbage, top to bottom. I am a native born and raised and still living Californian close in age to Ron Unz. It would take me an entire day to compose a rejoinder to all the lies and half-truths shading into lies contained within this piece.
One in particular, that Unz does very quietly acknowledge, almost in passing, but which is the key to his case: White Californians are far more liberal than Whites in many other states, but this is because … (drum roll please) … MILLIONS of White conservatives have moved out of the state over the course of my adult life!! They did not want to leave the beautiful WHITE state of their childhoods. Rather, they were ethnically cleansed by the Third World being dumped on their (our) heads. I personally know maybe two dozen friends and family members who have moved away from CA since 1990. Another wonderful GOP couple I know are moving in 2019. They started planning their ‘escape’ over two years ago. They are leaving for racial, ideological, and racio-ideological reasons.
After a couple of decades of ethno-ideological cleansing, as well as similar leftist-White racio-ideological in-migration, why should it be surprising that CA Whites now skew Left? Those of us Old Stock White Californians HATE what has happened to our state. But what can we do? We’ve been conquered. This is what long time restrictionists like myself tried (since the 70s) to prevent. And what we desperately wish to prevent happening to the whole USA.
Immigration has utterly ruined the old White California. And it will similarly ruin the Old White USA (I agree with Unz, however, that LEGAL Immigration is much worse than illegal immigration, though the 35 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS should all be deported to prevent their ever being granted citizenship by some future White-hating traitor).
Leon, thanks for your interesting comment. It had me thinking of that decision node where people decide whether to fight, flee, collaborate, or surrender, whether it be a job, a career, a marriage, or, as you note, a polity. Just have time for a quick reply.
I’ve been reading these pages for three years now, and, well, God bless the super-intelligent commentariat here, but I’m not sure there’s a strong enough grasp of the political phenomena that plague us. To wit: I think the other side–however you define it–has won. A lot of the comments here, my own included, have the character of an enfeebled resistance shouting, “We’re #1!”, after having knocked out a single metaphoric sentry in a likewise metaphoric million-man occupying army.
Our antagonists really don’t give a shit about our IQ, Bach, 14th century cathedrals, or much of anything, except the power to denigrate us.
California goes from one “special” tax that “can only be used for XXX purpose” to another to hide the fact that it cannot pay the pensions of current state employees when they retire. So the government plays the game of getting a special tax for the roads and steals the money currently paid into the systems for the roads but not part of the special tax and transfers it to the general fund to pay for all the nonsense the politicians want.
The right number is what would the overall crime rate be if we weren’t importing crime from Mexico. That is the real issue. It would be great if every Mexican let in meant one ghetto black out, but that isn’t the way it works.
Hmm..
Is it possible that Mr. Unz is referring to moi?!
Mr. Buchannan has just written an article that suggests that Hillary Clinton is on to something when she recently counseled Europe to re-think its (suicidal) agenda of supporting mass-immigration of non-Westerners into Europe. According to a poll Buchannan cites, the electorate in this country increasingly considers (non-white) mass-immigration to be the most serious problem this nation faces.
[parenthetical commentary is mine]
So these discussions are salient, and worth having. And it isn’t every day a ‘totally incompetent obsessive’ has the opportunity to engage someone as esteemed as Mr. Unz vis-a-vis the benefits, (or lack there of), of Hispanic (or other) immigration into the West. (North America in this case) Especially considering the wealth of experience and insights Mr. Unz has acquired and disseminated, (respectively), regarding this important issue.
So, with that in mind, I read the article once again, and feel privileged to make a couple of small critiques. (I do so convinced that Mr. Unz relishes the vigorous clash of ideas and a healthy debate).
First off..
(and if this has already been mentioned, then please forgive me, I haven’t read every single comment to this thread)
From the article in question.
The reason the above statements tweaked me, (and I emboldened some of the text) is because of the (erroneous in my opinion) conflation of anti-mass-immigration conservatives, like myself, (‘Paleos’, iow) with our most intractable enemy ideologies; the ‘neo-conservatives’ and their perfidious whores at Conservative Inc. (The American Conservative, for instance)
I don’t know of anyone on the so-called ‘Alt-right’ who bought for one second the obvious lies about WMD. Or any of the myriad lies used as a pretext for the Eternal Wars (for Israel).
In fact, even more so than any liberal/progressive Democrat, it has been the Alt-right / Paleos who have been most adamant that the Eternal Wars (for Israel) and all the attendant evils like Gitmo and millions of slaughtered innocents, not to mention the moral price of an America that has become a blood-spattered fiend on the world’s stage – are wrong and illegal and immoral!
So my first point is that I think it’s an error to equate those who’re against mass-Hispanic (or any other kind of third world) immigration as being easily duped.
That reminds me of when Tucker Carlson has a guest on that says ‘but that idiotic policy was advocated by Dick Cheney! And he’s a Republican!
As if all ‘conservatives’ can be placed in the same basket of Deplorables that I proudly inhabit.
No one is more ideologically opposed to Dick Cheney or McCain [RIH] or Dubya Bush, than I am. And I still consider myself a conservative of sorts, just not the (neo)-kind- that believed in WMD or American “exceptionalism” or any of the other tropes used to get the sheople to slaughter and/or die for Israel.
(Zionism (neocon-ism) means two things simultaneously: Racial purity and military hegemony for Israel, while at the same time racial diminution (through massive and transformational non-white immigration) for all white nations.
The Alt-right are against both of those agendas because they’re based on (Jewish) racial supremacism, and fundamentally at odds with the idea of (especially Western and Palestinian) self-determination. The Alt-right are NOT racial supremacists who want to lord it over anyone, they simply want to be left alone to pursue their happiness and raise their families unmolested by the globalists and their war-mongering neocons and leftists.
But what’s not mentioned here, and is more to the point, (and as I and others have already mentioned), it isn’t even about crime. No. Rather it’s about our national and community cohesion and bonhomie. Even if the immigrants were all low-crime Asians or some beatific race of geniuses and saints from Tahiti, then we still wouldn’t want to be replaced by them. No matter how much it benefited the 1% to do so.
We like being who and what we are, even if others don’t. We feel a sense of kinship and fellowship with other’s who share a common ancestral heritage, whether we’re black Americans or white. We still don’t want the Asians or Hispanics or anyone else arriving in transformational numbers that will ultimately supplant our own kind with (often hostile) others.
Humans are deep down tribal animals. We evolved that way for hundreds of thousands of years. Living in small, homogeneous groups, and that’s who humans today are and how they’re most content.
It doesn’t make us racist or xenophobic to like being amongst people who look like us and act like us. It’s human nature. (Perhaps Freudian-like I first typed ‘human nation ; )
But that fundamental driving spirit had been demonized by those with an agenda to see the West replace with a more malleable blend. And so people like myself feel a certain necessity in pointing out that our ultimate genocide into a brown morass of bipedal consumer farm animals, is something to be resisted. Even if only on websites with owners/editors who seemingly feel otherwise.
Humbly ~ Rurik
Meanwhile, the national debate over immigration remains contentious. Restrictionists can provide numerous completely legitimate arguments in favor of their position, ranging from economic competition and cultural conflict to national overpopulation and environmental degradation. But they will discredit these by including unsubstantiated claims about crime.
The problem with this paragraph is that any mention of job loss, cultural conflict, national overpopulation, or environmental degradation is met with the combination of the media either deriding it as the rantings of inbred losers or completely ignoring it until it goes away. The only thing that gets the media attention is the criminality of the illegals (even as they try to memory hole it).
Speaking of those with an agenda, former UK Immigration Minister (under Tony Blair, RIH), Barbara Roche, explains why “diversity” is so desired:
Tobias Langdon, of TOO, provides his analysis of what may be motivating Barbara Roche’s desire to feel comfortable:
Could it be that Ron, too, wishes to feel comfortable in Palo Alto? May this desire colour his views on the issue of mass immigration?
For those who feel more “comfortable” living in European or European-derived countries with European-majorities, discussions about crime rates of non-European immigrants are beside the point. What is of critical importance is the immediate repeal of Hart-Cellar and the immediate closing of the borders to non-European immigration. Having these debates as over a million non-Europeans flood across the border is, as the late Larry Auster put it, “a path to national suicide.”
I live next door to Palo Alto. The local newspaper, The PA Daily Post, edited bye Dave Price, is full of Mexican crime. Granted, the White working class has been driven out by high rents. Blacks too have been driven out, or better, sold whatever they had in East Palo Alto, and moved to the Valley, or Southwards.
I do not believe that the crime rate of Mexicans is no worse than whites….I did a couple studies locally a few years ago that put Mexican crime at two to three times higher than Whites. Burglary and auto-break-ins are their specialty. etc.
I have never seen Ron address the Mexican IQ, or the Black IQ, which , per Richard Lynn, are average 90 and 85 respectfully. I chat with Mexicans frequently in the coffee house, etc…They are not very smart. Most of them are nice enough, particularly the ladies who want to marry up.
They are a huge burden on social services, etc, etc. Whites don’t want them except White liberals who need nannies, and servants, because they are Other. And stupid. And we need a smarter work-force.
Most importantly, they vote Dem. When they take over with the Dem coalition of minority racists, Whites will be taxed to death.
The the antifa lunatics will bring out the guns. Thank God we got most of the guns. It is coming, and all the Ron Unz apologetics will go up in smoke, gun smoke.
Ron should stick to his anti-semitic reporting on Jews at Harvard, etc, about which he has done a great service.
Joe Webb
Trump ain’t that great but he is all we got. So many forget that. You don’t get the counter-revolution in one election cycle.
The GOP is cucked, and many of Trump’s men are swamp critters too.
If Trump brings the country to expel Mexicans, etc, He will have started the counter-revolution.
Ron, bless his soul, is still a libertarian I guess…what a sorry mess given the reality of evolutionary genetics, and the tribal basis of Homo Sapiens psychology. We don’t get along with Others, and we barely get along within our own racial cohort.
You want Peace? Racial separation is the only way to peace, and that will only be relative.
Grow up Ron.
Joe Webb
JOE
Crime and Statistics
Hispanics are better organized criminals than blacks and are not going to be statistics as often.
A small number of Italians in Northeast pockets of the US commit an ENORMOUS amount of crime for example. They live pretty well off it. Ditto Russians.
But Russians and Italians are not high in statistics because THEY ARE TOO SMART TO GET CAUGHT.
The reason the white bikers do business with Mexicans is because they are smarter and less likely to get caught.
1) Crack cocaine is not AS popular so a good many black gangs simply folded for economic reasons because they lacked an economy to stand on. Poor whites discovered crystal meth and blacks never sold this so they lacked the profits and many black criminals simply went straight.
2) Hispanics have the supply source and guns from cartels so blacks cannot compete with that. They simply get driven out of Hispanic areas.
3) If watch the film BAD BOYS with Sean Penn there was a time when juveniles-meaning 16 and 17 year old young men-were sent into reform schools until they were 21 no matter what crime they committed. Now they are tried as adults so when a 16 year old commits his first homicide like Sean Penn did he is tried as an adult and locked up until he is fifty.
4) Technology and police response time are better now and criminals get caught more often.
Apropos East Palo Alto:
Two dead, two critical after East Palo Alto shooting; suspect sought
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/14/two-dead-two-critical-after-east-palo-alto-shooting-suspect-sought/
Police can’t find suspect in double murder — might be in Mexico
– https://padailypost.com/2018/10/31/police-cant-find-suspect-in-double-murder-might-be-in-mexico/
The most damning aspect about this double – almost quadruple if the EMTs hadn’t shown up that quickly – homicide is that it seems that the local media didn’t really cover it properly or maybe even (actively) covered it up to keep up apperances… one of the victims’ mothers wrote the following in the comments:
– https://web.archive.org/web/20181129045146/https://padailypost.com/2018/10/31/police-cant-find-suspect-in-double-murder-might-be-in-mexico/
This puts the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants at 6 for East Palo Alto for 2018, since the city only has about 30,000 inhabitants/residents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palo_Alto,_California . Had the other two people also died in the shooting it would have brought the homicide rate up to 12 per 100,000 inhabitants/residents for East Palo Alto for 2018!
Yep. This does partly destroy Ron’s pristine ‘97% decline’ number, and would have really destroyed it if it was a quadruple homicide.
Now it is merely an 80% decline or so.
Alas, while we all wish Ron’s ‘Myth of Hispanic Crime’ thesis were true, FKA Max has proven that it is not. Hispanics have 2.5x the crime rate of whites. Just because 2.5x is lower than 7x does not mean 2.5x is good.
The GOP is no longer the GOP. They’re spineless, feckless conformists who, like all the other branches, kowtow to Israel, and remain clear of “Third Rail” issues they know will end their political careers if they don’t toe the liberal line on those issues. The media (Jews) runs Congress, the White House, and state governments. They can release data on candidates who won’t curry their favor, and paint an unflattering profile of those elected officials or candidates. Before the ink was dry on Trump’s contract, he was in Jerusalem signifying his subordination to Jews at the Wailing Wall. I’m afraid no American leader will be exempted from that obligation.
JackOH,
Thanks for your reply to me. Across the internet for many years I’ve been employing a metaphor taken from the original ‘verboten’ American book of what might be called “political ethnography” – The Dispossessed Majority, by Wilmot Robertson (pub. 1972, which I first read in 1989; I reread it just after Trump’s election, and was amazed at how much of it still holds up). This metaphor is “ripening harvest vs encroaching jungle”. Robertson claimed that was the correct way to view what he perceived – in 1972! – as a race between traditional America (aka, “George Washington’s America”, “John Wayne’s America”, the America whose essence was immortally described with unrivaled pith by the great 19th century Senator Stephen Douglas as “free, White, and Christian”), and the multitudinous forces – ethnic, economic, and political – which together had already turned Real Americans into a political dispossessed (disempowered) majority, and the logic of whose self-interest would ultimately utterly destroy the old nation, and transform it into something unrecognizably alien to all past generations.
Real Americans have been on some kind of bizarre holiday from reality for the past two generations. My dad, a WW2 vet, to his dying day in 2012, could not believe that Real Americans had *still* not “repealed the Sixties” – the decade that began our modern decline (yes, I’m aware that the Constitution died at Appomattox, and that capitalism was killed by the Wilson and FDR regimes – but those abandonments of the Old Republic could always have been resurrected, at least in theory, as long as the American People remained themselves; the 60s were a war not on the structures supporting the American Way of Life, but on the very moral character and foundational biology of the people themselves). We are already starting to pay the price for not having the guts – the real in your face guts – to take on and defeat the Left. The logic of social evolution points to matters getting much worse.
In less than a century, White Americans will have allowed themselves to have been transformed from masters to slaves in their own ancestral house. Unz is one of the “pragmatists” who tells real patriots to “get over it”, “things won’t be so bad” when America is no longer controlled by Americans. No, they will be much worse. CA “works” (actually, it doesn’t; life is worsening here year over year, measurably) only because its local insanity is still contained and to some extent limited by the state’s being embedded within a larger USA which is still partially controlled by Real Americans (or their pansy proxies, elected Republicans). Once the Federal tipping point has been breached – once the colonists of the Third World have finally reached a critical mass whereby they permanently control the Electoral College – then matters will start declining astonishingly rapidly, and with ever accelerating speed. And CA will be at the cutting edge of what no longer “works”.
I am amazed that an intelligent Jew like Unz sees no parallels between the slow dispossession and strangulation of Real America, and the way the Nazis dispossessed the Jews, paving the way for the Holocaust. Hitler didn’t just come to power and then start butchering Jews. He “tightened the vise”, constantly restricting Jewish rights, liberties, property usage, professional status, etc. The Occupationist Regime is doing the same thing (albeit in ways conducive to America and the current situation). They are flooding the country with alien voters to strengthen themselves; they are ever more tightly controlling the means of education and news; they work tirelessly to take away our means of self-defense, to whittle away our speech rights, so as to make Real American dissent from our dispossession harder, and to seize our property and wealth for their purposes and power; and they are shamelessly using their disproportionate control of the judiciary to hamper any and every act of legislative or presidential resistance to this dispossessionist agenda.
Meanwhile conservatards worry about minority abortions (would America be better off with yet more nonwhites? do I have to ask this?!), and libertards have hissy fits over pot laws. Something is wrong with White people that we allow this to happen, to ourselves and esp to future generations.
Patriot Trump notwithstanding, I think the jungle encroachment is now irreversible (though it is in our interest still to work to slow these trends down as much as possible).
America is gone, and it won’t be coming back. The only hope to preserve some portion of America – or even just some place of safety and refuge for White Americans – is territorial ingathering of all Patriot Whites into the already Whitest parts of the country, with a goal of eventual secession from Amerikwa, and the formation of a sovereign, all-White ethnostate.
Great comment. Agree on all points, and have for 30+ years. So nice to see great masses of real Americans finally “facing race” and other biological and cultural issues (instead of constant invocations of “liberty” [which I support] and “free markets” [ditto] as solutions to every perennial human problem).
One point: we Occidentalists should embrace Zionism. I am neither pro- nor anti-Israel. I am indifferent to Middle East issues, except for a general desire to disassociate from them all. But Zionism and Israel are precise examples of what White Preservationists want and need. Israel is an ethnostate. If the Jews get one, why not Germans, Frenchmen, and Americans?
And Zionism is simply Jewish ethnonationalism. Its existence makes it easier [to hyper-ethical Whites] to defend White nationalism.
Well Geo, I confess I have wondered whether or not Mr. Unz’s ‘Jewishness’ has effected his views vis-a-vis immigration. I wonder if Mr. Unz has ever wondered the same thing?
It does seem to be the default imperative of all Jewish axioms- from the ((Hollywood/Harvard/msm)) hard left to the ((neocon)) hard right- that massive and transformational non-white immigration into all white lands is the obligatory stance of the entire Jewish paradigm. Jews like Stephan Miller are as rare as a the metaphorical black swan.
But then I also feel it’s a little unfair to pidgin-hole individuals, (and specifically those outliers who buck all orthodox conventions as Mr. Unz does regularly). But I do suspect that from a very early age, those Jews who’re raised as ‘Jews’, are subject to a endless fear campaign for the evil goyim who has ‘persecuted them for 2000 years’, and especially for the ‘Nazis’ of only yesterday, whose singular evil, not only Jews, but all of us have been harangued and bludgeoned with as the most evil of evils that has ever menaced not just Jews, but the whole planet with their genocidal evil hate! (blah, blah, blah).
So I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that most Jews grow up in a milieu of suspicion and fear for the ‘irrational goyim’ who can morph from civilized neighbors into homicidal Nazis at the drop of a hat, and consider it the default position that such people should be marginalized and diluted.
But at the end of the day, I really don’t have any idea about Mr. Unz in particular, or any other individual Jew’s motivations.
But I was struck by his characterization of ridding the bus with naught but ‘diversity’ in sight, and feeling completely at ease. (Not that I haven’t had the same experiences from time to time. Diversity in and of itself is not a guarantee of harm or menace for a white man in most cases.)
But I was reminded of the pathos of this video, where a working class British woman was railing against the denizens of the ‘New England’, no doubt knowing exactly what that will bode for her blond, British son.
For speaking her mind, she was arrested for ‘thought crimes’, and excoriated by the British pedophile authorities- who have ruined England and doomed that little boy to a dystopian hell on earth. The working class have never had it all that great in any nation, but to compound their wretchedness by dooming their children to ‘rivers of blood in the streets’ is an evil so incomprehensible that it could have only been made possible by a pedophile elite that hate the (homophobic) British people with an insane, psychotic malice.
I do not think Mr. Unz is motivated by anything close to malice. Hardly. Rather I just suspect that he’s lived a life so completely removed from the experiences of a woman like that, that he can’t possibly commiserate with what she’s going though. No doubt he’d just put it down to her ‘racism’, or ‘bigotry’, not for a moment thinking that she’s motivated by a mother’s concern for the welfare of her child.
Unlike Mr. Unz’s uneventful bus rides, what bodes for the future of white children in a diverse world, will look increasingly like this:
So as I keep saying, it’s all a matter of perspective.
(And my apologies if it seems in any way crass or untoward to openly speculate on the motivations of our gallant host, whose generosity and vision are what makes these conversations even possible).
Thanks Leon,
I’m more or less with ya here, except that today the expression “free markets’ has taken on the meaning that everybody but the ZUSA should practice economic nationalism. IOW it’s OK for Canada to charge massive tariffs on dairy products, but it’s somehow unfair for the US to reciprocate. So I’m for free markets, but not when American workers are expected to compete with the entire Third World when it comes to wages. What that will do is drive down American wages to the level of the Third World, which is good for the elites, but not good for the dying (murdered) American middle and working class.
Wow
Well, with all due respect, you’re equating apples and oranges here. Not even. More like disease and the cure.
First off, ‘White Preservationists”, as you call them, are exactly that, trying to preserve what they already had, and have had for centuries going back to antiquity. Whereas Zionists are trying to murder others so they can steal their lands, who like White Preservationists, are simply attempting to keep what’s theirs.
So there is a huge denotative (not to mention moral and philosophical and legal) difference between someone who wants to keep what’s his, vs. someone who wants to murder someone and steal what’s theirs.
Germans have had their lands going back to the beginning of human time, when before it was even measured. Whereas Zionists have zero claim to the lands they’re trying to steal, other than laughably idiotic lunacies about ‘God gave it to us’.
And it goes deeper, much deeper than I have time to flesh out now. For one thing, it’s been the Jews who’ve screeched and railed and frothed their moral indignation and sanctimonious blather about how ‘the Nazis were wrong and EVIL! to ethnically cleanse us from Germany!!!!’
And so for the Western world to sanction the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians, because genocide is wrong, is perhaps the greatest mind-fuck of the century.
The only mind-fuck I can think of that’s even similar is Affirmative Action, because having racist policies is a must = because racism is wrong!
Whoo boy are those some doozies.
And not only that, but who are the most froth-dripping rabid in their demonization of “White Preservationists” as “white supremacists” and “racists’ and “Nazis”, if not for the uber-Zionists and Jewish supremacists.
Who more than the Jewish supremacist media, is more blood thirsty in their promotion of Zionism, while simultaneously screeching in their bullhorns that any white man who opposes massive and transformational immigration is a “RACIST!!!” and “WHTIE SUPREMACIST!!!
No, no, no. There is no common ground here. It does seem that the Trump administration is trying to navigate those troubled waters between the Zionists and Christian Zionists like Pence, with those on the right who want to preserve some semblance of the America they grew up in, for their children to have some kind of life here. But it’s a devil’s bargain, and will only blow up in their faces.
You can’t bargain with the devil, and trust me when I tell you, that Zionists are more dedicated to the destruction of the West, than they ever will be for the Palestinians. The Pals are but a pebble in their shoe, whereas the West drives them insane with existential envy/angst/hatred. There’s nothing on this earth that they will ever hate as much as they hate the West. Because they envy it, and so they hate Western civilization and its people with a netherworld, all-consuming fire.
They only bomb and shoot Palestinians, for the most part. But what they did to the Kulaks, or to the denizens of Dresden, was the perfect expression of their id. There is no hatred on this earth or below it, as the hatred of the Zionist, Jewish supremacists for the accomplishments and people of the Western world. (And Germans in particular ; )
Am reminded here of an 1851 London Times editorial where the proto-multiculturalists of that UK establishment newspaper described the historic immigrants (ie the Plantation) and resulting ‘mixed’ population of the north of Ireland as being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and ‘which can submit to a master’, much unlike the more purely Celtic in the remainder of Ireland.
According to the article it was to be this ‘more mixed’ and ‘more docile’ population of the north of Ireland which was to be used to replace the recalcitrant Celtic population of the rest of Ireland, thus resulting in the Irish being ‘known no more’ as a people.
Times editorials have long been seen as a mouthpiece for official British government thought regarding policy.
Abbott Lawrence, the subject of the editorial then on tour in Ireland, was a Massachusetts textile factory magnate, who also at the time (1851) was rather conveniently for him the US ambassador to the UK, which at the time included the whole of Ireland.
Ireland was a primary source of wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) for New England’s textile mills, including Lawrence’s own plants in his self named Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Massachusetts. Lawrence, as described in this very multicultural editorial, was inspecting his largely Irish labor force in situ as it were in famine stricken and British occupied Ireland.
Lawrence, amongst other Anglo-Saxon industrialists, was already well into displacing his own A-S Protestants in Mass (ie the ‘Yankee Girls’) who had been doing this work with the imported Roman Catholic Irish.
In this, wage slavery (ie chattel slavery and its trade’s monetization via the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system) was simply continuing in a much more pronounced fashion, now gone viral, the same displacing pattern chattel slavery had in places such as SouthCarolina where by 1860 the Anglo- Saxon population had reached minority status.
This subject has been researched. It was the New England industrialists families such as the Lawrence’s which had also in a good many instances historically been the chattel slave dealers.
In unwisely displacing their own with wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’), and driven by the desire to not pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor, they were continuing down an unwholesome path they already knew with chattel slavery.
It seems in the final analysis with multi-culturalism that it all gets back to slavery and that the accursed institution was not in reality ever truly dealt with.
‘Its [the Irish people’s] present place will be occupied by the more mixed, more docile, and more serviceable race, which has long borne the yoke of sturdy industry in this island, which can submit to a master and obey the law…’
Say what one will about the Irish, they’ve been resisting their being multi-culturalised for a very long time. Per the link below, in 1847 members of the British aristocracy in Ireland were being shot for promoting the mass exodus of the Irish from Ireland as ‘immigrants’ to the United States which the Irish termed an act of ‘extermination’.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.55226263;view=1up;seq=302;skin=mobile
https://matteroffact.tv/lawrence-mass-immigrant-city/
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/20th-november-1847/12/extermination-and-vengeance
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/22nd-june-1850/15/american-factories-in-ireland
yes thanks. Per Am Ren, Jared Taylor, FBI Dept of Justice still lumps “Hispanics” with Whites when perps. However they lump “Hispanics” with Whites as victims….if I remember correctly.
IN Redwood City my hometown just about 4 miles from Palo Alto and Menlo Park, Redwood City is now about half white and…
Redwood City (RwC) is about half Mexican, maybe more than that by now. When I was a kid my High School (Sequoia..probably misnamed since we got Coast Redwoods not Sequoias nearby) had a handful of Mexicans. Now it is , dunno, full of Mexicans. I was talking to a Menlo-Atherton HIgh School kid a couple weeks ago as I gave the White Palo Alto and Menlo Park girls…almost all…collecting food for the Mexers at the local grocery stores, a little talk about invaders…..he said that M-A Menlo Atherton High School, is about half Mexican.
This is great stuff since he said the Mexicans were amazingly bad students. Well, what do you expect with Menlo Park and Atherton being of the upper middle class and Rich , respectively, of the Peninsula. So put the Hispanics cheek by jowl with the White smarties…that should fling them up the SES what with Culture raising high their intelligence.
Sequoia was the then RwC High School of mostly working class whites, which is where I learned to fight and box…imagine that! 1950s when boxing was part of high school athletics. (undefeated by the way…although one of my memories of that was getting hit very hard by a smaller Mexican.)
So RwC is now mostly upper middle class Whites in the West and Mexican in the East. RwC is also the San Mateo County seat and we just built a new jail to house the Mexicans until they adopt our civics lessons.
I live in the hills behind RwC and Menlo Park…joyfully mostly now upper middle class white liberals who don’t want any mexicans up here. The White working class has been driven out.
The consequence of Mexicans in East Menlo and East Palo Alto, is that the once Capital of the US in homicide numbers has been brought down as the Mexicans have driven out the Blacks. (part of that is that. lots of homes in East Palo Alto were owned by Blacks, and they have thus cashed-in their chips, not just getting terrorized by mexicans.
Consequently while the Mexican concentrate on property crimes, the occasional home invasions by Blacks are few and far between, however, they do come over from Oaktown and the East Bay now and then…communting to where the money is. The cops say they usually do their crime in neighborhoods near freeways to enhance their prospects for getaways.
Mexicans don’t need that since their neighborhoods are walking distance away.
WSJ did a story a couple years ago on how Rich Man Atherton is just a block or two away from Mexican neighborhoods…Fairoaks.
The Rich think they got it under control I guess. And the Upper Middle Class think that Culture will save them.
Joe Webb
The damage done to the country by Hispanic crime is an order of magnitude greater than the damage caused by black crime, in my opinion, as I pointed out in in my first reply to Mr. Unz in this comments thread:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2621043
Between them the American (Jewish) Sackler family legal drugs cartel and the (Hispanic) illegal drugs cartels have killed hundreds of thousands of white Americans over the decades and torn apart the social fabric of the country:
– http://www.unz.com/article/west-bank-settler-and-american-patriot/#comment-2640913
The Sackler Family: The First Family of Oxycontin | Op-Ed | NowThis
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Published on Jul 21, 2018
The Sacklers have made plenty of contributions to the art world, and have wings at the Met, the Lourve, and at the American Museum of Natural History. But they also made millions of dollars in pharmaceutical advertising, starting with their marketing strategy for Valium. Though there was already an identical “anti-anxiety” medication on the market, targeted at a narrow group of patients, Arthur Sackler strategized to sell an identical substance, but claim that would treat a wide range of ailments, from physical problems to headaches, to sexual problems. They later got into the pain management industry and profited billions of dollars off of OxyContin, which is a cornerstone of America’s opioid addiction.
Race is a liberal phrase. Their campaign to apply and enforce “Equality”, which invariably requires an expanded government presence within cultural processes, employs trigger terms to compel their coterie of oppressed minorities to seek official sanction of their struggle to participate in business and government functions. Individuals are subordinated and pigeonholed into defined groups, rather than being encouraged and rewarded on the merits of their personal efforts. The old saw “All roads lead to Rome” can be updated to describe our current liberal zeitgeist: “All gender/race equality solutions lead to Socialism”.
Take Some Pills for Your Hysteria, Lady: America’s Long History of Drugging Women Up
But this isn’t unique to today’s women. Females have long been targeted by pharmaceutical advertising, and massive disparities in prescription drug use have been around almost as long as prescription drugs. […] By the time the earliest studies on the drug class were conducted in the 1960s, women were being prescribed Valium twice as much as men. – https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gqmx9j/here-lady-take-some-pills-for-your-hysteria-253
– https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain
I wish Americans could at least exercise the brains God gave a Goat, and realize that we’re under siege. Our Constitution is systematically dismantled via the rubrics of “National Security” and “Public Safety” (Gun Control, with a dash of dead Children to enhance the need for this liberal imperative, while enjoining mothers in their worthy campaign.) Remove your rose colored lenses and LOOK what’s going on: Constant Wars, Fiscal Federal and State Insolvency, Globalization of our economy and industries, the dissolving of our sovereign borders, the decaying of our morals, cultures and entertainment: gambling, drugs, pornography , and the ENDORSEMENT of criminal behavior by means of the early release of criminals from prisons with restoration of voting rights to felons. Maybe the old analogy of the frog in the pot is valid, but perhaps a flock of sheep being sheared of their national heritage and means to subsist on their own volition, free from oppressive government taxation and regulatory red tape would more accurately define our current dilemma.
Why do whites like Opoids so much but blacks, Jews and Hispanics are impartial to them? I remember the “meth epidemic” and how Detroit was bracing itself for a load of tweaked-out Hood Rats…but blacks never took to crystal meth in the ghetto.
Leon, thanks.
Just time for a quick response. I’m inching my way through a biography of the activist Michael Harrington, and it’s painful reading.
“Majoritarian solidarity” (my made-up term), even in benign form, had been anathematized by the defeat of Hitler and Mussolini, and America’s greatest generation rested on its laurels, not believing that the folks who defeated Hitler could be demonized by generations of vicious and self-serving Democrat politicians shredding America with grievance-mongering, redistribution schemes, and identity politics.
Anyway, that’s how I’m seeing things so far in my reading.
Maybe someone can put together a pop psych self-help infomercial telling America’s White Euro-folks they’re not a hundredth as evil as they’ve been made out to be.
JOE
In Detroit Greektown and other mob family enclaves there was a similar thing known as the “Spaghetti Curtain” and a few blacks who tried to operate crack houses had them blown up.
Blacks being unable to understand the finer points of using C-4 on some fundamental level just accepted the fact that Sicilians were better at organized violence and left this particular neighborhoods alone.
Sailer himself noted that in terms of criminal IQ the black is locked up or dead at age 25 and the average Italian mob boss manages to last until age 50 or so.
Most black crimes are essentially ID-based and related to immediate gratification. Not as many Hispanics gang members will commit nursing home rapes or Knoxville-type nursing home rapes.
If black gangs were smarter and could master the finer points of using C-4 to blow up cars or cyanide like the mob then society would be in worse trouble than it is.
But like the Italians on a much bigger scale the Hispanics are simply better-organized. They have direct access to drugs through the cartels so they don’t need middle-men.
The US will face the difficulty of where blacks will go. My guess is that they will drift into white areas, being completely unwelcome in Hispanic ones. If anything, Hispanics will further disenfranchise blacks.
Just a guess first… and then some more other important dynamics to keep in mind in regards to how the opioid epidemic probably and in my opinion got first started below that:
‘Drunken’ gene discovered by scientists
– https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8073303/Drunken-gene-discovered-by-scientists.html
The Role of CYP2E1 in the Drug Metabolism or Bioactivation in the Brain
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5259652/
Ethnic variation in the CYP2E1 gene: polymorphism analysis of 695 African-Americans, European-Americans and Taiwanese.
The rare alleles (c2 and C) occurred at frequencies of 0.28 and 0.24 in Taiwanese, 0.01 and 0.08 in African-Americans, and 0.04 and 0.11 in European-Americans. – https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7987402
These allele frequencies correspond well with the illegal drug use rates of the different ethnicities.
Blacks’ rate of illegal drug use is actually 20% above the national average:
– https://www.samhsa.gov/specific-populations/racial-ethnic-minority
Since many whites live in rural areas their illegal drug use is also lower, mostly due to availability restrictions probably:
– https://www.samhsa.gov/specific-populations/other
Legal prescription drugs are a different story:
Race-ethnicity and Prescription Drug Misuse: Does Self-esteem Matter?
– https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/raceethnicity-and-prescription-drug-misuse-does-selfesteem-matter-2375-4494-1000239.php?aid=60237
One explanation why whites are disproportionately affected by the prescription opioid epidemic, which then progressed into an illicit drug epidemic, is that they probably trusted their doctors the most and through that got hooked on pain killers, plus they were, on average, probably also more frequently health insured than minorities and so could afford legal pain killers, etc. before “Obamacare” was introduced: https://www.kff.org/disparities-policy/issue-brief/health-coverage-by-race-and-ethnicity-changes-under-the-aca/
That is probably why the Sackler family drug advertisement campaigns targeting/convincing doctors to overprescribe their patients OxyContin was so effective and disproportionately affected whites:
Minorities are less likely to trust their doctors
Minority groups in the United States are less likely than white people to believe their doctors care about them, according to recent research.– https://www.futurity.org/physicians-race-trust-1079492-2/ and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X15001325?via%3Dihub
The share of the nonelderly population that was uninsured hovered around 16% between 1998 and 2007, then peaked during the ensuing economic recession (Figure 1). As early provisions of the ACA went into effect in 2010, and as the economy improved, the uninsured rate began to drop. When the major ACA coverage provisions went into effect in 2014, the uninsured rate dropped dramatically and continued to fall in subsequent years. In 2016, the nonelderly uninsured rate was 10.3%, the lowest in decades.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20181130032406/https://www.kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/
Jeff Stryker, you may have missed the Next Big Thing in Free Money for minority racists: that is colonizing White neighborhoods with just a family or two in houses rented by the State. The theory is that White Culture will rub off on the Blacks and make them sorta White.
It is like seeding a district/area with not too many Blacks, but just enough to turn them into good citizens, again, on the theory that being White is catchy….you get it from close proximity.
This Great Leap Forward will vastly increase Blacks’ vulnerability to White Racism! and attendant low morale given the rejection they will experience from Whites not familiar with their new White MAn’s Burden burden to Help the Negro.
Of course, when the cops look for black perps they won’t have far to go. And, arrests of Blacks are sure to increase since they will be much easier to find.
I have a social/racial theory comparing Blacks and Mexicans, and Chinese and Asians generally. Start with Whites, who are very Individualistic, that is the Normal Standard I will use. Chinese and Asians are very Collectivistic, due to rice aqua-culture, etc while Whites did not get regimented by rice growing.. We raised wheat, which is farmed by rainfall. Thus we got natural selection selected for Individualism while the Asians, and probably Semites too…in the Fertile Crescent , etc. got selected for Collectivism. ( Jews and other semites in the arid areas just fought over pastoral/ grazing resources. and became very tribal and also collectivistic but for other reasons than rice agriculture.)
Blacks are neither Collectivistic nor Individualistic. They are Chaotic. Nothing but Gangs more or less small. Continual warfare, with little Peace time to grow into larger tribal units. Never mind their average IQ at 70…just think how dumb Negroes were when brought over here for slavery/plantations.
We are the only race to have invented elections, rule of law, and free speech. Individualism.
Race is All.
Joe Webb
Jews are also affected, but they often try to cover it up or try to ignore the problem in their own community, according to these reports:
Battling addiction in Orthodox Jewish community means breaking through silence https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/battling-addiction-orthodox-jewish-community-means-breaking-through-silence-n922566
‘Not My Son’: Jewish Community Not Exempt From Opioid Epidemic
http://jewishexponent.com/2018/09/05/aj-solomon-justin-gregg-wolfe-opioids-heroin-jewish-victory-bay/
Well said! Another point about criminal activity by immigrants—if sanctuary states and local jurisdictions aren’t asking about immigration status, how can they tell us the immigrant crime rate is low?
Jews were probably MORE affected by cocaine than rural white proles because of the dimestore availability of the drug in urban centers like NYC or DC or Miami where Jews congregate.
Similarly, in the seventies when nobody in the sticks or Podunk US interior could lay hands on heroin there were many more Jewish junkies because they lived in New York City.
My own experience with Jews is that cocaine is their drug of choice. Northern Europeans can give or take cocaine and crack-I’ve known lots of whites that tried crack cocaine or smoked it casually and did not become addicted. Jews, like blacks, seemed to get hooked on cocaine the second they use it. We see this in Hollywood.
Actually, I was referring to that “FKA Max” character, who’s clogging up this comment-thread with his completely irrelevant charts and graphs, which mostly demonstrate his total innumeracy. But I suppose that your ranting-and-raving falls into the same category…
No. “FKA Max” is just some innumerate retard, and “Thomm” is an obvious dimwit for taking his silly claims at face value. Indeed, since “Thomm” claims that the East Palo Alto homicide rate had only declined by 80% since 1992, he’s pretty innumerate as well.
As I had noted in my article, EPA had had 42(!) homicides in 1992, when it was the murder capital of America:
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-01-05/local/me-833_1_east-palo-alto
Meanwhile, EPA had exactly 1 homicide during the second half of 2016, 1 homicide in 2017 (a murder-suicide involving a couple of elderly white lesbians), and now 2 homicides in late 2018.
For those who know simple arithmetic, a decline from 42 annual homicides to 4 homicides during a period of over 2.5 years represents a decline of about 97% rather than 80%. Indeed, prior to this recent double-homicide, the decline from 1992 had been the 99% I had once previously mentioned in a comment.
Since “Thomm” is very likely a Hindu immigrant ridiculously pretending to be a “Native-Born White American,” his poor mathematical skills are hardly a testament to the quality of America’s current legal immigration policies.
https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/of-course-harvard-discriminates-against-asians/#comment-2112102
Yes,
I’m so innumerate that you had to censor my comments and you gave a weak “quality control” argument: http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#comment-2634998 and now you are resorting to even weaker ad hominem.
You are spreading lies, Mr. Unz, that have dire consequences for America and that is why I’m obsessively posting in these threads and pointing out the shortcomings and superficiality of your analysis, chief among them the following:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2634817
Figure 2 – The Probability of Reporting Violent Crime to the Police in a Metropolitan Area by Change in the Relative Size of the Noncitizen Population
Source: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2635226
These data and findings demolish the claims of your “The Myth of Hispanic Crime” article, like this one:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/#p_1_40:1-158
I further proved, with the help of a source you provided to prove me wrong, that San Jose actually had a smaller, relative drop in homicide rates than Seattle and Portland did, which you never replied to and addressed:
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2637420
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2637660
– http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2639220
All illicit drug use stems from personality disorders: Misanthropy and other Anti-Social behaviors. Liberals especially are ‘endowed’ with the type of confrontational, excessively self-righteous attitudes which renders them unable to function socially, without starting a riot. They must modify their moods with potions in order to interact with mere humans. Addiction is another matter, but it is an unconscionable breach of prudent governmental authority to endorse drugs in order to obtain taxes from their sale. Gambling, too, is an addiction-prone behavior, and yet another liberal cash cow (Just try to shut down a casino in a liberal district or state, and see who comes out of the woodwork to halt your progress..) People must learn to behave in public, and not require these personality crutches to fit in with the crowd.
Look, I’m an honest person and the reason I call “FKA Max” a random retard is because he IS a random retard. Moreover, he’s been spamming this comment-thread with NEARLY ONE HUNDRED COMMENTS, mostly low-quality and filled with large numbers of generally irrelevant graphs and charts he located here and there on the Internet.
Obviously, crime-reporting variations are a serious research consideration. However, as I’ve repeatedly emphasized, homicide reporting is nearly 100%, and therefore examining homicide data can serve as a very effective check upon the validity of other crime rates.
For example, here’s one of my charts showing the correlation between urban ethnicity and homicide rates for twenty-five years of national data across all major cities in America, followed by the same result for violent crime rates:
https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
Notice that the urban crime correlation results for white percentage and Hispanic percentage are very similar. This would be virtually impossible if Hispanics had the high homicide/crime rates alleged by some of the commenters on this thread, including a certain random retard. Furthermore, all other methods of racial crime analysis, which I’ve discussed at considerable length upthread, produce entirely similar conclusions.
Twenty-five years of annual cross-correlation analyses based on FBI and Census data require some time and effort to produce, and should not simply be ignored by random retards.
Publishing ALMOST ONE HUNDRED COMMENTS on this thread by a single agitated random retard is hardly indicative of “censorship.” Therefore, until that random retard can provide some semi-plausible explanation why these 25-year national correlation results do not demonstrate that Hispanics and whites have approximately similar homicide/crime rates, none of his future comments will be published.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1052923/UN-migration-agreement-Angela-Merkel-EU-criticise-migration-hate-crime
It is the issue of the century.
Will Western civilization survive the obvious agenda to see it inundated under a tsunami of non-Western migrants.
Ron, when I did my local crime studies a few years ago…about Redwood City and Menlo Park andEast Palo Alto and Palo Alto, I used the State of California Attorney General’s statistical sources.
They are easy to read and were at least then, broken down by race, including Hispanics as a separate category and not merged with Whites as the Feds do, per Jared Taylor of AM Ren.
I asked Jared a couple weeks ago if the FBI still merges Hispanics crime with White crime in any way. He said yes.
He said that Hispanic perps are merged with White perps, thus inflating the true number of White perps. If so, is there not some kind of category of Hispanic crime perps? This does not make sense
Then the issue of victims is not clear to me. If I understand Jared, he is saying that Hispanic victims are not necessarily merged with Whites, but have their own category.
Maybe you can clear up what Hispanic White means, or non-Hispanic White means. And since you work with the Federal numbers a lot, maybe you could look at California crime numbers and solve the problem here of incommensurability between Fed and California methods.
When I last looked, the California crime stats were listed by County. Hence our local San Mateo Co. and Santa Clara County are easily compared and then individual cities must be known in regard to their racial demographics.
Joe Webb
Yes, commenter “utu” located the most recent 2015 CA AG crime report upthread, which very helpfully separated arrests by Hispanics and whites. For violent crimes, Hispanic crime rates were almost 50% higher than that for whites, which seems very plausible to me. In fact, my own Hispanic Crime article had looked at the BOJ CA incarceration statistics, and the most recent racial breakdown (from 2005) showed CA Hispanics were about 70% more likely to be incarcerated than whites, which seems quite consistent with the 2015 violent crime arrest data.
However, as I discussed in my article and also emphasized upthread, CA Hispanics and whites have very different age-distribution curves, and you need to adjust this data to the prime-crime age sub-population: 55-year-olds obviously don’t commit as many robberies as 25-year-olds. I used Census data to determine the size of the youthful Hispanic and white sub-populations, testing three different age-ranges, and that causes most of the racial difference to disappear. Depending upon which age-range you use for normalization, CA Hispanics seem to be between 10% and 25% more likely to commit crimes than whites of the same age. You really should read my long article linked near the top.
County-level correlations would take quite a bit of work, and I’m not sure how useful they would be. Crime rates almost always tend to be much higher in cities than in suburbs or rural areas, so a county-level racial analysis could easily be distorted by urbanization. That’s why I restricted my racial correlations only to American cities, testing both the 250K+ and 500K+ datasets, which produced very similar results.
Anyway, since the CA AG arrest report separates out Hispanics and whites, that sort of indirect racial correlation approach isn’t really necessary in California. But since the FBI data mixes the two groups together, it is necessary on the national level.
And if you haven’t already read it, you should definitely take a look at my long Race/Crime article from a few years ago, which discusses these issues in considerable detail:
http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
thanks Ron. I will do so.
When I looked at the census material a few years ago, I was aware of the age/youth factor but could not find the break-down with which to more finely tune the arrest data.
Of interest here in general is violent crime vs. property crimes. You are probably aware of the spectacular numbers of auto burglary, especially in San Francisco. I think the number of arrests for these crimes is close to zero.
I had a guy install a furnace for me about 8 years ago. I could not find a white guy, but a Hispanic name was given with high praise. OK, I called him up and he came out and turned out to be a Spaniard, not a Mexican. I gave him the job. I would have given it to a Mexican anyway.
I grew up in Redwood City and know the whole town. El Camino as the old demarcation of east/west is no longer….The Mexicans are moving West. My furnace installer lives near John Gill School on Jefferson, about two-thirds of the way west toward the Emerald Hills district, a now completely upper middle and middle White area…where I grew up.
My Spaniard installer tells the story I hear all the time. Mexicans steal, period. He said that you used to be able to leave your garage door open. Not any more. Everything walks away.
Whereas Blacks tend toward rape, Mexicans tend toward molestation. Whereas Blacks tend toward violent crime, Mexicans tend toward burglary.
The “clearing” (I think the cop term is for crimes solved ) of non-violent crime is very low. So Mexicans can make a living from car burglary, etc. And the crime stats do not reflect this factor. No arrests..no stats.
I talked to a gal who runs an internet company specializing in home gadgets. She is located in Washington…state. She says her Mexican workers are very good…workers, but they steal.
She offered the liberal view that this crime is “cultural.” I told her no, that it is genetic. The Categorical Imperative requires some brain power to understand. The ten point IQ deficit of Mexicans is apparently low enough to prevent understanding… Also, Whites have invented all the Fairness type ethics…it is genetic.
Now we in California have the liberal pols not even enforcing so-called non-violent crime. So the new normal is that we have a kind of nuisance crime level that we are supposed to Accommodate. And new legislation is coming to make it official…do the low-level crime, and don’t do the time.
You left your garage door open..you are an accessory to burglary. You are grooming the underprivileged, contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
I talk to Mexican guys at my local paint store. One guy I liked particularly and we kept up a banter.I had not seen him for a while and when he reappeared I asked where he had been. In jail, and amused by the whole thing. I asked him about gangs and did Mexico have local gangs, etc. He said, yes, every block has its gang in Mexico.
What these gangs do, besides the serious cartel types, is not clear. This brings up the Patron-peon matter. I had a motorcycle seat made in Hollister . The White owner, liked my looks I guess and we started a conversation. He has made about a half million after market seats over the last few decades. I told him about Mexican IQ. He said so what, they are good workers and that he is their Patron. They need a patron he says. His girls in his little cafe love him and he had then strut their stuff for me. What could I say…very nice.
This is not the White norm of Individualism , free speech, etc. When we are outvoted, they will bleed our wallets. Their crime is the least of our problems.
.———-
Here is a brain teaser: Whites fight, and that…in general is not so bad. It is an evolved trait that has kept us alive. If one disaggregates the assault/battery type white crimes, then the White crime rate would be interesting to see.
thank Evolution for our White fighting spirit. It what will save us from our other trait of pathological altruism.
Joe Webb
I neglected to mention the issue of what the future of Hispanic crime is likely to be.
There are two factors here. The first is that the technical type jobs are the future, and the grunt type jobs are the past. What adding another large cohort of people not too bright to the job market is not a great idea.
The second factor is that when Hispanics get legal, they get more aggressive, since they cannot be expelled. I expect more crime as a result of both factors.
Then, there is voting…not a great prospect for America…adding another aggrieved minority to the Dem Party, which ultimately is going to take over.
There are about a dozen forms of welfare. The anti immigrant organizations say that about half of Hispanics, even while working, are recipients of welfare.
Here is another form. When at Kaiser hospital, I asked one of the employees about how come I see so many Mexican patients and how do they afford it? I was told that in addition to the usual government Programs, that part of my premium/payments every month to Kaiser…subsidizes the poor.
Just as we were not asked if we want immigrants, I was not asked if I wanted to contribute part of my payments to Kaiser, to the Mexicans.
Joe Webb
The “clearing” (I think the cop term is for crimes solved ) of non-violent crime is very low. So Mexicans can make a living from car burglary, etc. And the crime stats do not reflect this factor. No arrests..no stats.
There is a general lack of respect for the law that does not show up in crime stats like you addressed. Things like running a red light, hit and runs, theft, breaking and entering that are almost never prosecuted unless somebody is seriously hurt.
Remember when we were supposed to give illegal aliens drivers licences so they would be licensed and buy insurance. Yet the insurance rates are skyrocketing (according to my last statement). When I called to find out why, I was told of the huge increases in loss payouts.
Yesterday I had two instances of Mexicans lack of respect for the driving rules. One ran a stop sign right in front of me with just a quick glance. Luckily I saw him and slowed down, he pulled over and let me by. In the other some women on the other side of a 4 lane double yello marked road made a U turn while I was making a left out of the parking lot. Luckily I saw her or it could have been a messy accident with her lying about making the turn and me getting hit while it looked like I made a stupid turn into traffic.
I see these things all the time.
Look, I can understand how Ron Unz, as a statewide political figure, needs to come out with something that can curry favor with what is now the largest group in CA, and will soon be the largest voting block.
The deep dive of stats needed to refute Runz’s masterful narrative is something the average Mexican in CA can’t do, so they become favorably disposed to Runz.
Neither FKA Max nor Runz is ‘innumerate’. The point is that Runz is peddling something he knows to be untrue, simply because it is a valid political strategy.
As an analogy, there are tons of ‘reports’ that ‘prove’ a pay gap between men and women. Innumerate feminists take those reports and run with them, but those who produce the reports know that the ‘pay gap’ is a myth, they are just selling to an audience that they can profit from.
Runz has many reasons to appease Hispanics in CA for personal gain.
San Francisco had a serious issue with Hispanic illegal immigrants, and two examples I witnessed first hand. One incident occurred at the Ocean Beach parking lot between Lincoln and Fulton avenues. I was completing my exercise walk on the beach one evening, and as I was climbing the stairs to the parking area, I passed by a group of young Hispanic males. Suddenly, they hurled insults at me, and followed me down the sidewalk while making threatening gestures. Luckily, the car was close enough for me to board and depart before I was attacked. (Similar attacks were reported at North Beach.) The second event took place during a stop at a client’s office one afternoon to retrieve veterinary specimens. As I walked back to my vehicle, a young, Hispanic male was yelling insults toward me, threatening to kill me, as he foamed at the mouth and glared menacingly. I did absolutely nothing to provoke these attacks. A third incident involved an Hispanic male driver at an intersection driving very slowly ahead of me. When I took an opportunity to pass his vehicle, he accelerated around my left rear, and angled toward my car, flipping me off and smirking.. If these people want to get along with gringos, maybe they should change their behavior from the Mexican machismo crap hole variety to a more civil and respectable prose Americans are accustomed to.
Runz said :
You know that this is false. That is why you diligently block all comments of mine that contain lighthearted, humorous poems and songs that reveal my extraordinarily deep knowledge of American pop culture, that could only have come from an American upbringing. *This* is what he bans, of all things.
Plus, I am the one who usually defends mainstream white people, whereas Runz on the other hand…..
Furthermore, I have often praised and defended Runz in the past. It took FKA Max’s yeoman work in linking the Opioid epidemic to the influx of Hispanics in the US (say, Hispanics are 25% responsible), to truly see the impact of Hispanic immigration to the US and how the deaths of white Americans via the influx of Hispanics is very indirect, but still evident.
Sure. I needed to download all the raw Census data for every state and stratify it by age and race/ethnicity. That’s why it took quite a bit of time and effort and I therefore sometimes lose my temper with nitwits who simply ignore my clear quantitative findings.
Incidentally, if you’re primarily interested in Hispanic crime issues, you should probably start with my earlier article:
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/
Frankly, I’m pretty skeptical about this claim. For example, a very large fraction of all the CA gardeners, nannies, cleaning-women, janitors, home-repair people, and that sort of thing are Hispanics. These are the people who have complete, usually unsupervised access to homes and offices. If they (or their close family members) developed a reputation for stealing, surely other groups would be hired instead.
Meanwhile, I carefully read my local newspapers and keep an eye out for crime incidents. I’d say that something like 10-15% of the serious crimes are committed by whites+Asians, with roughly half the remainder by Hispanics and the other half by blacks. But in my general region, Hispanics outnumber blacks by nearly 10-to-1, so this would tend to suggest that blacks are nearly 10x more likely to commit serious street crimes.
The obvious reason that whites+Asians are so enormously under-represented in street crime is that they’re affluent professionals, while the Hispanics are overwhelmingly working-class. Software developers and venture capitalists don’t tend to commit burglaries or robberies, though perhaps they make up for it dollar-wise in stock fraud.
As I’ve previously pointed out, “Thomm”s true identity is strongly suggested by several tell-tale indicators:
https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/of-course-harvard-discriminates-against-asians/#comment-2112102
(1) He endlessly and crudely rants about “White Trashionalists.”
(2) His earliest comments were filled with boastful claims about the great success and wealth of Hindu immigrants.
(3) He claims to be a “Native-Born White American” (ha, ha).
(4) He claimed that neither Irish-Americans nor Polish-Americans were considered “white” until around 1965(!!!)
While this doesn’t prove he’s a (dishonest) Hindu immigrant totally ignorant of American society, it certainly makes this likely.
“Thomm” has now left twenty comments on this thread, all denouncing my detailed quantitative findings without ever providing a hint of any valid argument on the other side. As I’d said, my quantitative work took a great deal of time and effort, and I’ve gotten completely fed up with this sort of misbehavior, which irritates me far more than his notorious dishonesty.
Therefore, unless and until he can come up with some valid analytical arguments on the other side, none of his future comments will be published. Since the overwhelming majority of his comments have always been crude rants against “White Trashionalists,” good riddance to him.
Bye, Bye “Thomm”…
Frankly, I’m pretty skeptical about this claim. For example, a very large fraction of all the CA gardeners, nannies, cleaning-women, janitors, home-repair people, and that sort of thing are Hispanics. These are the people who have complete, usually unsupervised access to homes and offices. If they (or their close family members) developed a reputation for stealing, surely other groups would be hired instead.
Most people are smart enough not to — where they eat. I imagine the rate of theft by black domestics and employees was much lower than the rate of blacks in general. I know you don’t put much faith in anecdotes but in my neck of the woods I only see those signs in 7-11s in Hispanic areas reminding you that a beer run is a felony. This is something that is quite frequent in these neighborhoods. A guy grabs a 12 pack and just runs out the door. The busy store clerk simply can’t chase after him. If he stupidly does, he usually stops after the first punch.
As for other people to hire, like who? Maybe for a job like cable installer but people have to be home and it is a one-time deal. The gardener doesn’t need access to your house. Only cleaning people and nannies would likely have unsupervised access to someones house. Most of them get hired through agencies that have to vouch for them.
while the Hispanics are overwhelmingly working-class.
Making excuses? Does it matter why they commit more street level crime. Even in your example 43% of the serious crime was committed by Hispanics. Why isn’t it related to their being overrepresented in juvenile facilities?
https://chronicleofsocialchange.org/analysis/california-data-shows-racial-gap-widened-juvenile-incarceration-declined
That second type of incident you mention happened to me in SF recently, but it was a Russian.
JOE
I’ve been to Spain and it is no more dangerous than any other country in Western Europe.
Even Cubans in Florida are particularly prone to crime because they are 100% Spanish due to the fact that Spain killed all the Indians in Cuba and the country was settled by Spanish families.
The problem the US has with illegal immigrants is with Amerindians.
Whites and whites alone are responsible for the Opiate epidemic because they choose to get addicted to the stuff.
I was young during the meth era and with drugs there is a certain Darwinism at work. Without exception, the whites who became meth addicts were lower class and never more than lower middle class. Most were redneck types.
In the nineties it was rare to meet a meth addict on a college campus or middle-class suburb.
Most meth addicts were working class whites who could not afford cocaine. Because most of them did not have the best judgement anyhow, the effect that meth had on them was nearly comical.
The same could be said about crack cocaine in the ghetto. When I was in high school at the height of the crack era in the early nineties one thing that white kids in Southeast Michigan used to do was DRIVE through crack-infested areas to see black crack fiends.
DAVID
Liberals are generally middle-class or lower upper middle-class and the addicts who do the damage in society who are white are either meth or heroin pill addicts who are overwhelmingly white proles and often semi-rural. This was especially true with crystal meth (At least in the 1990’s when I was in high school and college) which at the time was a trailer trash drug.
Well, to some extent that’s true. But CA does have enormous numbers of other working-class groups who could be hired instead such as Filipinos, Vietnamese, Middle Easterners, South Asians, and even whites. I still say the fact that Latinos seem to so overwhelmingly dominant those low-wage home-access professions makes me doubt they have any sort of reputation for thievery.
Look, it’s not very complicated. Over the last generation, economic competition from Latinos and other working-class immigrants have caused a huge exodus of working-class whites from most parts of CA, and I think relatively few of the younger cohorts of the latter are still around in CA. Everyone knows that youngish, working-class people commit most of the street crime. So if you replaced the Latinos with their white counterparts, I doubt the crime rate would change much.
BTW, that Color of Social Change report was quite interesting, though its data has some serious weaknesses. For example, prison/jail is lumped together with training and treatment facilities and (apparently) illegal immigrant detention centers, which may somewhat distort the figures. For example, the overall CA Latino imprisonment figure from the (extremely solid) PPIC discussed upthread was very substantially lower, probably reflecting these distortions.
Even so, Latino youth are held at a rate 65% above whites (while the corresponding black figure is 500%). So if the Latino figure is somewhat elevated due to e.g. immigrant detention, the net figure might not be much different from my decade-old calculation based on BOJ/Census data.
“I doubt the crime rate would change much”
CHRISTOPHER MOLTASANTI embodied the sort of working-class Italian young person in the last days of the Italian mob in the Northeast-a petty criminal recruited by more organized gangsters in his ethnic group.
Young Hispanics are no different than the Italian-American young working class males who used to be recruited by the mob in the sense that Mexican cartels and prison gangs enable them to commit far more extensive crimes within the framework of huge drug-dealing organizations.
White trash prole tweakers or Opoid addicts don’t have huge underground economies that will pay them as contract killers.
Rural white communities don’t have the sort of huge underground economies of drug distribution empires that organize petty white young thugs into paramilitary street gangs.
Rural white working class thugs have no drug-dealing rivals to shoot at.
The days when working-class white gangs of Polish and Irish like the Chicago “Royals” who were a genuine urban threat are well-nigh gone.
Young working class Hispanics are different for the same reason that Italian-American working class young males in the Soprano era of North Jersey once were. Behind them are huge organized criminal syndicates.
Apart from a few Armenian thugs in Los Angeles (IF you would even classify these folks as white) there is no longer much in the way of an urban white working class population to produce street gangs.
Working poor whites are mostly rural and there is not enough of a population for them to terrorize. Extortion at the trailer park? Stealing from farms?
In white rural communities the local cops always know who the local young punks are and they are taken off the street soon enough.
Well, it’s sometimes better to actually look at quantitative data rather than just spout off on your personal opinions…
Much of my analysis was based on a BOJ report showing the per capita incarceration rates for whites across the different states, and I repeatedly cited it upthread:
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf#page=11
It’s interesting to note that per capita white incarceration in Texas, Idaho, Oklahoma, and Georgia is nearly 50% higher than per capita white incarceration in California. I think a good part of the reason is that youngish working-class whites are much more likely to be found in those states, while most of the ones in CA have been driven out by economic competition from immigrants.
Perhaps it’s more than purely coincidental that the white incarceration rate in those states is a lot closer to the Hispanic incarceration rate in California.
If you replaced all the CA Hispanics with their same-age working-class white counterparts from TX, ID, OK, and GA, I doubt crime would change by all that much.
Steve Sailer and other commentators have often postulated this** to be the source of the puzzling relative enthusiasm we have seen in the past few decades for Hispanic (and by extension also other Non-Western) immigration, and against a quasi-racialist restrictionist program, by so many influential, major-metro-area-dwelling Core Americans. (“Puzzling” because the people I mean have such strong ethnocultural interests in keeping — or, by now, moving back towards — a White-Christian-supermajority America.) Such people need not necessarily be a big portion even of the total White population nationwide; they need only be the agenda setters. Think NY and DC.
** – i.e., the Hispanic general displacement of Blacks at the lower-ends of U.S. society; including [1] in criminal enterprise (if someone is going to engage in crime, better Mestizos than Blacks, the former being seen as a lot less dangerous/destructive per capita), but also critically [2] in that sort of socially ubiquitous low-level service work at which Hispanics are seen as a lot more docile, reliable, and pleasant; most major-metro-area Blue Americans, I think, are generally secretly glad when they get to deal with a Hispanic at a service job rather than a Black. This directly impacts Blue Americans’ daily lives, remember.
Consider that by the last quarter of the 20th century, the term “Urban” in the USA (and ‘inner-city’, a term seldom heard anymore) had become almost a euphemism for “Black” (the term ‘Urban Contemporary’ emerged by the late 1970s as a purported music genre but really a euphemism for ‘Black music’). The related associations with the concept “urban” were a shabby set of undesirable traits like crime, drugs, gangs, and urban-blight. For certain reasons, Whites were politically able only to engage in ‘flight,’ never any kind of ‘fight’ The BlueWhite demographic to which I refer above, unable to fight on its own behalf, has relied on two things to fight for them by proxy: The Immigrant influx, and Gay-led urban re-colonization (gentrification) (followed eventually by non-gay hipsters)….to defeat Blacks, to phrase it in crude terms.
TLDR: Foreign Mestizos as racial mercenaries in an unspoken (indeed, taboo to discuss; likely mostly unconscious) White(mainly BlueWhite!)-Black racial conflict, centered on the USA’s once-great urban cores. The conflict continues.
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I am not ideologically sympathetic with what I take to be Ron’s point in his article here, but I would concede many of its core assertions. The main criticism I would level is that there is no real mention of the above for why “Racial Politics in America” are the way they are, for why White-Hispanic relations seem so good, and especially for why Immigration Restrictionism is so weak among our agenda-setters, including Donalg ‘Wide Open Door to the Wall’ Trump.
The “Hispanics used as cultural-demographic mercenaries/auxiliaries in a White-Black war” is something I’d expect the pseudonymous SBPDL writer Paul Kersey (published occasionally at the Unz Review) would be a lot more likely to go for than Ron Unz, who (admirably, in many ways) wants to go for reasonable-sounding centrism.
Strictness index: Which states are the toughest? The most lenient?
http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/04/strictness-index-which-states-are.html and http://archive.is/Alvox
Markin…detail. I have had two fender benders in the last 10 years. Both Mexican drivers, at fault.
Speaking of losses , when you have your car repaired for body work, it shows up on the carfax So you lose…again.
Another issue is schooling. The is not considered welfare. It is, for those of 90 and 85 IQ, Mexicans and Blacks, respectively.
8th grade is about all they can use, realistically speaking. Reading and writing can be accomplished by the 8th grade. If not then…never.
A few years ago the WSJ ran a story on the LA School District that dealt with South Central, etc. Blacks and Mexicans. The study determined that the school district spent about $30k a year per pupil.That is a total loss to society. That is like 4 times 30 thousand dollars. for just high school. If you take the whole 12 years…that is 36 k dollars…for very little return. Baby sitting and crime school, and sex ed; welfare in short.
Schooling is a vexed topic. College should just be for the top ten percent or so of high school. The rest is a waste of everybody’s time and money. Schooling Mexicans and Blacks is almost ridiculous. Maybe 15 % of them are worth schooling. Still, what do you do with them?
Even for the rest of us more or less normal whites…we got along without schools for almost ever. Did the various greats ever go to school? Not many.
Finally, the Blacks and Mexicans go to school to find out how exploited they are…and to build grievances against White Males in particular. This is also somewhat true of school for girls. Back to basics…and let The Revolution disappear. I am a former leftie….I know.
Joe Webb
OK Ron, I forgot to mention that contractors that I talk to, all say that mexicans steal, but that that is the price of doing business. This crime does not get prosecuted because it is too much bother for contractors fool around with.
Cheaper just to fire them.
This is a lot better than having blacks around who might kill you in the bargain if you accuse them of…. One of my kids is a contractor, he says tmexicans are pretty dumb and do not necessarily remember instructions the next day, after having been told today. As far as theft is concerned, his materials are big and heavy and not easy to steal.
Joe
QUANTITATIVE DATA & REVERSE RACISM
When an 18 year old Travor Martin type is gunned down in a drive-by his high school picture in his football uniform is shown on TV and there is some degree of public demand to apprehend his killers.
But when the news reports that some “soldier” in a Brooklyn or Jersey crime family was “gunned down” the photo is a hollow-eyed grim-faced middle-aged Italian dirtbag who looks like a Soprano and there is not much public demand for justice.
The WORST white offenders of the Whitey Bulger mold running Irish or Russian Jewish or Italian syndicates in the Northeast US don’t show up on quantitative data because they don’t get caught.
Most white offenders in jail are junkies who stole a radio for $30 worth of meth and not Brooklyn Jew “button men” responsible for 36 homicides.
I am in no way stating that Italians or Jews are more criminally-inclined than any other whites but those that are tend to be extremely cunning.
HISPANIC CRIME vs WHITE CRIME
Hispanics SELL the drugs and poor whites commit crimes to pay for them. But poor whites are not going to shoot at other poor whites over Opoid sales territory in Georgia.
At one time Los Angeles did have Irish-American and Jewish street gangs which Anthony Quinn (Though his Mom was Mexican) and Rory Calhoun (The actor from Motel Hell) and of course Mickey Cohen famously belonged to.
In the Central Californian Valley you had rural gangs of crazies like the “Speedfreak Killers” Shermantine and Herzog but in general white prole crime is extremely petty and drug-related like boosting televisions or burglary.
But in general there are no longer vast pockets of white urban poverty left.
That’s a very interesting table, and the “strictness” levels seem to reasonably track the per capita white incarceration rates. Actually, in my original article I’d strongly emphasized that different states must surely have varying rates of legal harshness, and therefore relative racial incarceration rates must be calculated on a state-by-state basis. But I’d never bothered trying to estimate those differences.
Interestingly enough, on an age-adjusted basis I showed that TX Hispanics are somewhat *less* likely to be incarcerated that TX whites. If you look at the PDF I linked, you’ll see that likelihood in the BOJ table.
Your legitimate, substantive comments will continue to be published, but not any random spamming nonsense.
Ha, ha, ha…Where do you think Steve GOT that idea??!!
Five years ago I published a 7,200 word article on *exactly* that issue, which three of Harvard’s most eminent social scientists (among many others) separately told me they found absolutely fascinating, and I’d been previously making that point to people for something like the last 25(!) years.
Here’s the piece in question, which was linked at the bottom of my current article and which I’d already cited three or four times in this very comment-thread:
http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
Over the years, that particular article has gotten something like 70,000 pageviews and I’ve cited it over and over again in my various writings. I obviously can’t bother repeating the text of my analysis in every single article I publish.
HAIL
“White Flight & undesirable traits”
The Irish and Italians youth gangs of the WELCOME BACK KOTTER era previous to white flight were no angels although shooting were less common than with blacks.
The reason white urban youth crime disappeared with the Carter era was because the “Reagan Democrats” of the Tony Manero stripe moved to the suburbs from their traditional hardscrabble white ethnic districts like Brooklyn or Chicago.
It is not just Hispanics that reduced black crime but the declining popularity of crack cocaine and the Clinton era change in prison sentencing aka “Three Strikes” and “Broken Windows” that cleaned up cities like New York. Blacks my age who entered the criminal prime of their life in the 1990’s were locked up for 25 to life in 1995 at age 20 and remain in prison to this day.
Bernie Goetz the subway shooter also made a point about AIDS wiping out a considerable number of the worst black criminals.
“Declining criminal opportunities”
Hispanics criminals cannot do much except sell drugs, which is victimless crime.
Protection rackets? Corporate American has done away with the small-time shop owner anyhow.
Pimping and street prostitution? Craigslist has done away with its better-paying customers. Mexicans do a bit of child-trafficking and the like but the days of “white slavery” are over now.
Car theft? It happens on an organized level but teenagers cannot hot-wire cars as easily as they once could.
Purse snatching? Cameras are everywhere in public now.
Revolving door? Gone with the Three Strikes Law and privatization of prisons.
Rape? Young men these days are so exhausted from all the self-abuse with internet porn that it is hard for them to muster an erection or the energy for “wilding” in Central Park.
Armed robbery? Cameras and technology. Police response time is swifter as well.
Crack epidemic? Very few people under age 45 smoke crack. It simply is no longer popular with young people.
I forgot to mention that the Race/Crime article in question was actually the excuse used to purge me as publisher of TAC, which directly led to the establishment of this webzine.
I discussed that history in a long article, which I linked a couple of days ago in a current Announcement:
http://www.unz.com/announcement/major-progress-amid-media-purges/
Actually, since you’re quoting that sort of IQ nonsense, I really suggest that you also read my major Race/IQ paper from a few years ago:
http://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/
It caused an enormous debate in IQist circles, leading me to publish close to a dozen follow-up columns. You might find this one particularly interesting, in which I responded to Prof. Richard Lynn, the world’s leading IQist:
http://www.unz.com/runz/unz-on-raceiq-response-to-lynn-and-nyborg/
And here’s a later column on the famous Jason Richwine controversy:
http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-the-jason-richwine-affair/
[You have been repeatedly warned about your overly numerous rambling comments, mostly based solely on your personal opinions. Fewer and fewer of them will be published, so change your behavior or depart for a different website.]
IQ and Crime
What did the worst killers of the Upper Midwest have in common? Names like Dahmer (German-Danish parentage) and Herb Baumeister (German-American recent immigrant) and John Wayne Gacy (Originally Gatza, to Polish-Danish parents).
Without exception when some member of a statistically high IQ group in high ethnic concentrations like a German-American in Milwaukee is a sexual (Usually homosexual) psychopath who makes being a criminal his life’s work he causes far more damage to society because he has the IQ to to be a combat medic like Dahmer or wealthy businessman like Gacy along with enough muscle mass to be a match for the average Hispanic gang member.
What is my point?
High IQ criminals per offender generally get away with offending longer (For lack of a better word) then the average Cholo or Hoodrat.
More blacks and Mestizos are criminals, of course. But they generally get caught fairly easily.
High IQ makes white offenders worse.
Italians or Russians, for example, are far more capable of better-organized crime than Hispanics or Blacks.
SON OF SAM and JOEL RIFKIN for example, were high IQ Jewish offenders who operated in Jewish communities-Queens and Long Island, respectively.
Both of them stayed on the street for years and years and require much more money to finally apprehend Berkowitz (Whose IQ was 130 something).
Hispanics steal and a good many are killers as well. But it is relatively easy for the police to apprehend them. It is even easier to apprehend blacks.
This is the downside to dealing with higher IQ groups.
Liberals span the economic scale, from filthy rich to dirt poor. The one thing they all have in common is that they’re ‘addicted’ to indignity. They must find a subject, ideology, sentiment or issue which affords them unlimited opportunities to behave self-righteously and contentious. I keep asking Puffy Lips (Liberals) why they’re allowing casinos to host smokers, who cloud their facilities with deadly second hand smoke. Small children are regularly in attendance at our local casino, and they’re immersed in those toxins. Liberals should be screaming from the rafters about this, but it doesn’t seem to bother them. Gee, I wonder why?………………..
Excellent comment. You hit the bullseye. Though I would add this. Though the hostile elite you refer are certainly good at infiltration, subversion and destruction, they’re no good at construction. They very well might green light White genocide world wide and they might succeed. But I have no doubt at all that it will by a Pyrrhic victory. Because it’s simply unsustainable.
When you poke past the surface of Marx’s explanation of the world it doesn’t take long to see that it’s literally insane. Instead of focusing on facts and consequences it focused on vague abstractions and glittering generalities. But if you think was bad, when the Marxist focused move from Class to Race the abstractions and generalities spun completely out of control to the point where they could only hold on to reality by clinging to mindless political slogans repeated over and over again like the chattering of an idiot, only less interesting and much less productive, for them!
No, I have no doubt that this explanatory Ponzi Scheme will collapse and sooner than later. And not because I said so, but because it’s simply unsustainable. But, after all, aren’t they the ones saying “Become Ungovernable”? Well, be careful what you ask for. Cause that’s what you’re going to get. Maybe that’s the real reason they hate White men. White men are the ONLY demographic in world history who were the most concerned with governing fairly. Which is why we’re the only people in the history of the world who have ever permitted our authority to be criticized. Something the hostile elite you refer to in your comment will never do – ever. Which means they are constitutionally incapable of governing fairly – ever. That being the case, there’s no reason we should care what they say about us. It’s all lies.
HI Ron, I read your article. Thanks. I am unconvinced.
Let the Richard Lynn , et al IQ testing rest for a bit.
Take the empirical realities of school success and failure. Millions of data point here in the US.
Blacks are always at the bottom of practical measures, like drop-out rates, grades, etc. Mexicans are a bit above Blacks. Asians are a bit above Whites. This all confirms brain difference.
At the level of ordinary experience, taking to members of different races…it is clear that there are huge differences , at least in regard to blacks and Mexicans.
Head size correlates .45 with higher IQ, say the experts. Brain size follows head-size. ( Remember I think that Attila was said to have a very large head.)
Go to Europe…Arab immigrants do very poorly in school….Turks too.
Turkey’s occupation of the Balkans…for 400 years or so…reduced Greece’s IQ to low 90s.
WE have spent one billion dollars on Black Uplift , per the NYT for example, since the mid-60s. Nothing to show for it but they hate us even more. (I marched with King in 1963).
All the De-Colonization of Third World countries has done nothing but set them back to their primordial jungle state.
Most compelling is the argument of Rushton, Lynn, etc. that IQ falls all over the world, going South.
The Global North and its cold (Ice Age over about 11 k year ago ) selected naturally for smarter people.
If you look at Blacks, they often have small heads compared to their bodies. North East Asians tend to have larger heads for their bodies, than even Whites, although I notice lots of Chinese now around Palo Alto, etc. are getting as big as whites generally. Diet
All this Common Sense approach confirms the racial IQ science or pseudo-scienece per you, that Lynn, etc demonstrate.
Jews. Israeli Arab Jews , Misraheem (sp?),I think it is, are less intelligent per Lynn than Ashkenazi. And the Arabs generally are about 85, like our Blacks. My experience in Palestine stuff and working with Arabs a bit about a dozen years ago, also confirms their lower intelligence to me. They are also ,like Blacks, prone to anger.
High Jewish IQ has been theorized as caused by interbreeding in Europe with smart Whites…AND the Jewish historical experience of sending their brightest to Yeshiva, while Europeans sent their brightest to seminary…rabbis marry the smart merchant’s daughter. and have lots of kids, while our smart choir boys did not marry, etc. This raised Jewish IQ, etc. very plausible.
The phenotype of Ashkenazis is often not very Semitic…I know a few locally who look like Norwegians….how come? if not intermarriage with northern Whites?
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A decent Respect for the Opinion of Mankind, as opposed to Abstractions would lead one to confirm the racialist view.
Also, Murray’s “Human Achievement” puts western European White Males at the top. Women carry off only 2% of the honors.
Then there is Temperment/Emotion. A greatly respected and admired prof of mine at Cal, Sheldon Wolin (Jewish), in his book Politics and Vision, 1964, stated twice that Jews contributed nothing to the Western Political Tradition.
Who invented Free Speech and Rule of Law, etc. Not Jews and not any other race on the planet.
Joe Webb
(while the corresponding black figure is 500%).
Nobody is arguing that Mexicans aren’t better than the typical inner city black. It is just that we are importing Mexico’s underclass and just arguing about things like lost jobs (what are you a dumb redneck who is too stupid to compete with an illiterate Mexican?), cultural change (I know a great Michoacán restaurant), welfare use (whites use more welfare than anybody), or lack of school achievement (we just need to spend more money) don’t seem to be viable arguments.
Remember Tom Tancredo, well who does except for people really familiar with the problems due to immigration. The media essentially made him a non-person since he kept the subject exactly the way the media, the DGOP and Democrats want it.
Marx projected a Jewish Supremacist attitude which condemned the ‘racist’ aspects of Capitalism, a scheme that concentrated wealth and power among an elite cabal of greedy, white male nabobs. This entity would solidify their authority and inviolability by enjoining government law enforcement and legislative protections to stem protests by their ‘victims’, and impede competitors and upstarts from threatening their monopolies. He was spot on with each of his observations, but the gist of the Communist ideology was the supplanting of Jews within the structure of agencies and government entities to undermine these monopolies, and ‘free’ the workers from wage slavery, serfdom and poverty. Jews would then position themselves as ombudsmen for these workers, forming unions, demanding higher wages, better working conditions, shorter working hours and weeks, redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor, and participation of employees within the negotiation process for these benefits. This all sounds altruistic, but what results from the implementation of the Marx doctrine is the transfer of wealth from Capitalists to Jews, via the legal system, union functions, government taxation, fees, fines and other incidental costs applied against wealthy business owners and executives. In no time at all, you’ll have a powerful, inviolable, wealthy and racist collection of Jews dictating to those nabobs how their firms will operate, who they’ll hire, what wages they’ll pay, and how they’ll be under Jewish media, government and social group pressure to toe the line, or else…….
As usual, Unz slips in the implicit assumption that the invasion of America by 60 million+ non-Whites that began with the notorious Hart-Celler Act of 1965 was some sort of inexorable natural process, or perhaps some sort of inexplicable “accident” whose noxious consequences are now inevitable, leading to the “logical” conclusion that the historic American nation has no choice but to lie back and enjoy their displacement.
Of course, this invasion was not — and is not — some sort of act of God. It was not an “accident.” It was a deliberate plan, by particular people. Those people have names. They have homes. And many of them share a common ethnic identity.
And he even has the chutzpah to promote the long-discredited semitic canard that, because America has one dedicated anti-white party, it simply must need two. Uh huh.
The “solution” that Unz promotes is to give up. To refuse to fight the invasion. To focus on the Harlem Globetrotters vs. Washington Generals sideshow.
No thanks. The correct solution to any foreign invasion is the obvious one — the historic American nation needs to unite to close the borders, expel the invaders, and crush the traitors.
Other notes:
Unz also throws in some meaningless pilpul about “legal” vs. “illegal” invaders, which really should be beneath a big-brained nibba like him. And of course, he repeats one of the favorite (and most obviously counterfactual) Unz tropes about “muh peaceful, non-violent, law-abiding mestizos” — by “proving”… that mestizos are less violent than Negroes. Nope — not a straw man at all.
Kind of sad that he bothers to include the outright lie that anchor babies are somehow “traditional.” At least he doesn’t reference the worn-out “melting pot” or “muh proposition nation” canards, though. So there’s that.
The attempt to “prove” that the destruction of California is a result, not of the non-White invasion, but of the GOP’s occasional, feeble attempts to defend against that invasion is simply ludicrous on its face, of course.
Though it is interesting to see Unz take “credit” for launching the political career of the notorious anti-White activist Kevin Leon (aka Kevin “de León”), I suppose.
Unz deploys a typical anti-White rhetorical trick in this bit of pilpul:
“Ironically enough, several high-profile controversies have instead targeted symbols of California’s Mexican past, especially Father Junipero Serra, the recently-sainted founder of Spanish California.”
Junipero Serra died… when again? It’s highly doubtful that he would have viewed himself (as Unz does) as a “Mexican,” rather than a subject of the Spanish Empire.
Obviously, the issue for the invaders is not Spanish vs. American, but non-White vs. White.
Is Unz seriously attempting to claim that Serra was an Indio? A mestizo? He would have been surprised to hear that…
“California’s numerous and prominent Hispanic officials would surely ridicule and condemn any such similar attacks against the state’s past Anglo-Saxon heritage.”
OK, now you’re just being silly.
“In recent years, despondent white activists have sometimes bemoaned that America’s racial transformation has become irreversible and that our once overwhelmingly white country is inevitably headed for a Brazilian future, with the enormous crime, corruption, and political disorder that such a society entails. But I am very skeptical of these claims.”
Muh Magic Dirt!!! Muh Blank Slate!!! Ya just gotta BELIEVE! If you move people to a different place, they just… change.
lol
At least Unz has the honesty to admit that California has the highest poverty rate in the country, and that this entirely a consequence of the non-White invasion. But hey — Cheap gardeners and maids? What’s not to like? Who needs a middle class, anyway?
“Some of these poverty problems are being gradually alleviated by the 2015 enactment of a huge rise in the statewide Minimum Wage, which will reach $15 per hour by 2023, a political movement that I’m proud to have substantially fostered, but the impact is a gradual one.”
Translation — “Importing millions of non-Whites has driven down wages for unskilled laborers, while drastically increasing costs of housing and other living expenses. The solution? Mandate a higher minimum wage… while continuing to import millions more non-Whites. It’s OBVIOUS!!”
“Why not just close the border?”
“Oh, we can’t do THAT! Because, uh, you know… REASONS!”
TL;DR: Gotta agree with @Leon Haller on this one. Some of Unz’s sophistry here is self-deception in the service of his tribe, but a lot of it appears to be conscious/ intentional.
Putting aside the aspect of an “Invasion” of undocumented Hispanics, what should vitally concern Americans is the prevailing attitudes of these people, who will vote for demagogues, and entrench themselves within social programs, receive handouts they never earned, nor are they entitled to these benefits. Look at the country they left: A poverty pit of mass serfdom, with a frightened population who cowers from the threat of drug cartels, corrupt government officials, limited opportunities for gainful employment, and even more limited business opportunities. Who can blame them for flooding over our borders, where they can win lotteries, get free education, housing, food stamps, healthcare and cellphones? The problem with these people is that they import the same attitudes and political ideologies that resulted in their home country’s impoverishment and rampant corruption. Make no mistake; there are American politicians who would like nothing better than to construct their version of such a crap hole.
Well, leaving aside the rest of the agitated rant, I’ll admit I found this particular statement *extremely* irritating:
Over the years, I’ve endlessly explained to people that the Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965 didn’t OPEN America’s borders, it CLOSED America’s borders. Something like 99% of all the anti-immigration activists have the facts completely upside-down. But the Zombie urban legend lives on.
The history is very simple. Prior to the 1920s, America allowed unlimited immigration from Europe and Latin America. Then, the 1924 Immigration Act sharply restricted European immigration, but kept an “open borders” policy towards Latin America because business interests in the Southwest wanted that.
This situation continued until the 1965 Act, which greatly increased immigration from Europe (and Asia) but for the first time sharply restricted immigration from Latin America (and the Caribbean). Prior to the 1965 Act, any Latin American who paid something like (as I recall) a $18 one-time immigration fee and waited a day or two for processing, could *legally* immigrant to America.
Without the 1965 Act, I’d think that *legal* Latin American immigration would have reached 5 million per year by the 1990s and probably the entire impoverished population of Haiti would have moved to the U.S. It’s perfectly true that post-1965 immigration increased America’s non-white population by almost 60M. But without the restrictions of the 1965 Act, the increase surely would have been more like 120M or even 180M.
If my simple factual claims about the 1924 and 1965 Acts totally shock some of the agitated commenters here, they should investigate the issue and decide whether I’m correct. If I am, perhaps they should begin to place a little less trust in the anti-immigration sources who endlessly spout off about the 1965 Act and also take some of my other arguments a little more seriously.
Immigration is fine in moderation, but you ignore what occurs when these people arrive on your shores with certain ideologies, to wit, “Dual Citizenship”. “Socialism” for another. Fascists, Anarchists, Terrorists and people with Organized Crime backgrounds should never be allowed in our country. I don’t think America needs any more immigrants. In fact, we should start deporting the illegal ones, and when folks do arrive from foreign countries in the future, they should be watched very closely until they’re assimilated and productive in legitimate occupations or businesses. The need for immigrants ended pretty much when major public projects were completed., and those took place a long time ago. America needs to invoke Sovereignty, and part of that notion means our borders will be sealed tight. If we’re going to bring back jobs to America, and forge our energy independence, labor/manufacturing independence, Constitutional Currency (No more Fed) and a foreign policy that isn’t dictated from Tel Aviv, we’ll have to start with ridding our country of freeloaders and interlopers.
If by “the facts” you are referring to the intent of these respective pieces of legislation, the anti-immigrationists have it completely right-side up.
Here’s how you choose to characterize Johnson-Reed:
Here is a more factual characterization:
Here is your characterization of Hart-Celler:
Here is a more factual characterization:
So what the anti-immigrationists are more concerned about isn’t whether a particular piece of immigration legislation is deemed to be “open” or “closed.” They are rather more keenly interested in the legislation’s intent: will it “preserve the racial composition of the country” or will it “greatly change the demographic makeup of the American population.”
Pretty simple concept, actually. The Israelis seem to get it, not sure why you don’t.
Thanks for the reply. I’ll assume that your failure to respond to my other points constitutes a tacit admission of their validity.
Your contention that the notorious Hart-Celler Act somehow served to partially stem the non-White invasion, rather than triggering its massive acceleration is, of course, an illustration of my broader point — your support for the belief that this invasion was due to some inevitable force of nature, akin to an earthquake or tidal wave, rather than the result of deliberate human acts of treason. Some semblance of empirical support for this belief would be appreciated, as its face validity is… rather low, to say the least. I’m not aware of a historical precedent for an invasion of anything approaching this scale — and certainly not without resistance from the government of the nation-state being invaded. Are you? If not, then what, in your estimation, changed with respect to the laws of nature that triggered this seemingly-unique event?
A couple of points here:
1. My claim that the 1924 act sharply restricted immigration of non-Whites and Eastern/ Southern Europeans is self-evidently true. Changing the subject to “Latin Americans” (mestizos) specifically rather than all non-Whites does nothing to refute this fact. I realize that your research interests focus largely on Mexicans, but surely you realize that the overall non-White invasion is the problem?
2015 Pew Research Center review of some of the malign effects of the Hart-Celler Act:
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/
2. Your claim that the 1924 Act did not specifically exclude mestizos is technically true, but the implication that this somehow “opened the borders” to a Mexican invasion is clearly false. Just look at the numbers:
No signs of any large-scale mestizo invasion driven by irresistible (yet inscrutable) “natural forces” during the decades following the 1924 Act.
Furthermore, during this era, there were large-scale, effective deportations of Mexicans in both the 1930s and, more notably, the 1950s.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Wetback
https://www.vdare.com/posts/eisenhowers-operation-wetback-worked-beautifully-but-ike-had-political-will
It’s quite clear that the Hart-Celler Act opened the borders to the non-White invasion (and that the US had been able to fend off large-scale mestizo invasion prior to its passage). Invoking miraculous “natural forces” as the cause of the supposedly irresistible mestizo invasion of the decades since its passage does nothing to refute this.
Of course, the intensive promotion of pseudoscientific Boasian race-denialism in the post-WW2 period, and the concomitant institutionalization of the “refugee asylum” scam haven’t helped, among many other factors.
Anyway, it’s clear that you feel strongly that this non-White invasion has somehow “benefited” the American nation (or perhaps some other group?) in some ill-defined manner. You’re not the only one who feels this way. The National Academy of Scientists recently sponsored a study by leading immigration economists in order to quantify the exact monetary benefits that each invader brings to America. Since these were the best economists, they didn’t merely add up the yearly cash value each one of these people brings brings to us over his expected lifespan. Nope, they calculated an exact net present value of $259,000.
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration
Wow! Each additional unit of diversity brings us $259K worth of additional vibrancy! Remarkable.
Anyway, the Brookings Institution has heartily endorsed this finding:
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/global_20181102_migrants_economy_transcript.pdf
And since they’re another group of highly intelligent people — we know this because they’re called a “think tank” — we should take these findings very seriously. Each Guatemalan, Mexican, Somali, Afghan… $259K. As is. On the hoof, as it were. After considering the sources of much of Brookings’ funding, I believe I have hit upon at least a partial solution to the invasion question.
The American people are currently scheduled to send more than $38 billion in welfare payments to Israel over the next 10 years. This is typically sent in cash, but I’m sure the Israelis would be happy to accept valuable commodities instead — especially if we upped the total amount. Let’s see:
38B/ 259K = 146,718 Salvadorans, Somalis, etc. Just to sweeten the pot, let’s give them double value — roughly 293,000 non-White immigrants. That’s 96B worth of vibrancy! Who could turn that down?
You have my permission to submit this proposal to the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the aforementioned Brookings Institution. No really — you can take all the credit. I’m a modest guy. I’m sure they’ll endorse it — since they’re such firm believers in the monetary value of cultural enrichment and all.
Waddaya say?
Hell of a comment, Mr. Forrestal!
Mr. Unz, you may be technically correct about those 2 very important immigration bills of the last century. So, the 1924 bill contained legislation that was lax as far as government policy regarding what goes on along the Rio Grande and the rest of the borderline? Maybe the 1965 act was stricter in language, as to official US Feral Gov’t policy regarding the same? Is that your point? What difference does that make, as it doesn’t seem to have meant a hill of beans when compared to reality.
The southern border is (supposed to be) the location of control of illegal entry and temporary, once-in-a-while permanent entry to the United States from Mexico. Legal immigration from all over the world happens via the Feral Gov’t immigration department, involving lots of paperwork and an interview or two in the home country, then later, identification, inspection, etc. at points of entry (usually airports nowadays). Anything else is an invasion.
The Latin American illegal entries were small in relative numbers until the US Gov’t reneged on its responsibility (due to support from big farming, and later lots of other big business). It looks like that started in the mid-1959’s, but started reaching for the sky in the mid ’70’s. This is not related to either of the 2 bills, is it? Official policy is one thing, but the numbers are completely different.
As far as legal immigration, the 1924 bill closed the floodgates that had been open since the mid-1870’s (though even wider for the next 4 decades). The 1965 bill not only opened the flood gates again, but radically changed the make-up of the new-comers well beyond some of the fairly-slowly-assimilable problem children of the previous influx. That was Lion (sack-o-shit) of the Senate Ted Kennedy‘s big, necessary lie.
So, though both of these important bills may have addressed control of the southern border in addition to legal immigration levels and types, it’s the latter that people refer to when discussing the effects of these bills. Whatever the laws have said about controlling illegal immigration has been ignored by people on both sides of the border.
I enjoy your comments, Joe W.
The main reason why so many Ashkenazi Jews look like white Europeans is that they typically descend from Italian converts through their maternal lines. See Jon Entine column at Genetic Literacy Project: he discusses a study whose “Ashkenazi Jewish” participants were on average FORTY percent Italian on their mothers’ side
So, they have the genes of the impressive people who built the Roman Empire and civilization, PLUS Jewish societal values and arrangements that honored, rewarded, and selected for intelligence, particularly skill at reading, writing, analyzing, and speaking, over centuries since the admixture.
No surprise that Ashkenazi “Jews” would tend to look like Europeans, and to be more intelligent and more verbally facile, on average, than other peoples.
Then throw in whatever Germanic and Slavic genes the “Jews” picked up during their centuries of migrating west, successfully trading and sometimes acquiring gentile brides again along the way.
Funny, then, that so many Ashkenazi Jews see white european pride and unity as a threat, or see us as “not us.” They ARE “us” as much as they are Middle Eastern / Semitic. (This doesn’t apply to Sephardic Jews, of course.)
Well said, Mr. Baker.
We live in L.A. Every day I see Mexican women waddling past with huge smartphones sticking out of the back pocket of their even huger jeans.
Fave example of mine: the young Mexican-“American” women who work at my boss’s site — paid in cash — have nicer, newer iPhones than my wife and I, and one has taken a vacation in Italy during our time together. Since my wife and I are actually, you know, doing weird things like paying TAXES, investing for our retirement, and paying medical-insurance premiums. I won’t mention investing fo college since, thank God, none of them has children yet.
The most pleasant and seemingly brightest of the group, late 20s now, flatout told me that she’s not marrying her boyfriend even if they have a child together, which they plan to do soon, because she gets MediCal health insurance free due to her being a single person with no reported income. There must be a million people like this, or more, just in California.
PS Should have said ya he Ashkenazi Jews studied were EIGHTY percent Italian on their maternal side, I.e. about forty percent overall.
because she gets MediCal health insurance free due to her being a single person with no reported income
And thank’s to Obamacare, Medical is not the MediCal of old with few doctors taking it due to the low payouts. It is a selection of regular HMOs like HealthNet, LA Care, and Molina Healthcare.
Thanks. And good points about the synergy between enforcement of harmful immigration laws and deliberate refusal to enforce protective immigration laws.
One additional note — while you are, of course, correct in referring to Ted Kennedy as a “sack-o-shit,” giving him most of the “credit” for Hart-Celler is a bit of a stretch. He did serve as the public face of the legislation, but he was a freshman senator with little clout. A spokesman, really.
A brief summary:
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/05/29/ted-kennedy-did-not-pass-the-immigration-act-of-1965/
More detail:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/CofCchap7.pdf
I do know more of the history of that 1965 Hart-Celler bill and just read the quick article from your link, James. The U-Boat Commander was not the long-term impetus behind this bill, of course. As you say, he was still a young man at the time, and, yes, there was a long history of certain interests pushing for this right from the time immigration was greatly restricted 41 years earlier.
However, Senator Kennedy was a sponsor of the bill. That means he definitely supported it. The short blurb I just read says (to paraphrase) that he may not have been lying in his famous statement that this bill would in no way change the demographics of America. Was he just uninformed? He should know what’s in the bill, as a Senator. Additionally, if the case was, that the bill was taken advantage of later, well, that’s why we elect these people – to look at the details and see if it could be abused. Kennedy had to have known that the restrictions that had always given immigrants from northern/western Europe, and at least Europe AT ALL, were going to be trashed.
So, I do think he lied to Americans on this. It’s not like Americans had never been lied to by a Kennedy before, even this very same one. Her name was Mary Jo Kopechnee, and she didn’t drown, but suffocated.
Anyway, it’s just a quibble, James, or actually, we agree, as I didn’t mean to give Kennedy most of the credit for that nation-destroying legislation. I just give him credit for lying like hell to Americans about it. .
Ashkenazi “Jews” are not Jewish. They’re not “Semitic”, They have no bloodline to the tribes of Israel, and no religious or other justification to occupy that country. Herzl actually entertained the idea of establishing the Jewish Homeland in Madagascar. He was as concerned about the Israel issue as others who knew such a scheme would foment Palestinian unrest–indeed, the entire region would be affected by the machinations of these “Diaspora”. These people have found hostility wherever they’ve “Set up Shop”, due to their insular natures, conniving, greed and usury, pornography, media dominance and political influences. Their predilections were known well before we got stuck with them.
I grew up in Lancaster, CA. (We could listen to Captain Beefheart’s band practice as we walked home from school. They needed more practice….) There were Hispanic families–legal immigrants and generational–living around our neighborhoods. We didn’t think anything about their citizenship or other issues. They were welcomed and assimilated. From what I’ve heard about the old homestead, it’s a crime-ridden, drug infested Hell hole where Los Angeles County sends their incorrigible elements when their criminal records exceed a certain value.
I’ve been following this discussion here off and on and I just realized something. You are talking to all these characters on the basis of the assumption that they actually care about the truth!
So, like, in this last post, you tell this guy that he should “investigate the issue” and verify the facts of the matter basically. In other messages, you berate people for their “laziness”. You repeatedly refer to people being “lazy”, I notice. Presumably, the reason that these people don’t ascertain the facts about whatever question is because they are too “lazy” to do so.
I mean to say, Ron, when will it dawn on you that the reason these people do not verify the facts about whatever question is NOT because they are “lazy”!? It is because they don’t really care about factual truth!
Basically, they operate a “post-Truth” mental world!
Moreover, this is also true of the authors of a very large proportion of the material you publish on your webzine, especially the material you mirror from sites like VDare or OccidentalObserver. They have very little interest in factual truth and will go with any narrative that is useful to them ideologically. Whether it is really true or not is barely even a consideration.
I have to admit that I made the same mistake for the longest time, assuming that people cared about factual truth when, of course, they don’t. Finally, isn’t it a rather absurd situation to be in? It’s kind of a like a regular, straight guy who hangs out at a gay bar regularly and talks to all the guys there as if they are interested in women the same as he is.
And he does this year after year, never figuring out the nature of the situation….
I read one of your articles more than a year ago, Revulsky, and have only seen a few of your comments since. It’s not that I can tell if you are telling the truth or not, though, because it’s always just long-winded screeds with stupidity levels so high, that I can’t make heads or tails of it.
VDare has probably the most meticulous and accurate writers that I’ve read on any one website, and I’ve been around the conservative and libertarian sides of the web for a long, long time. Except for in the Godfree Roberts (and other assorted Commies) threads, I think the unz commenters are a very erudite lot. My favorite commenters USED TO be on Zerohedge, but now these guys are.
You suck to no end, sir.
>Makes comment composed entirely of a string of unsupported assertions/ speculations about the mental states of others.
>Claims that other people are not rigorous empiricists/ care nothing for truth.
Uh huh.
Kind of an amusing combination of
https://infogalactic.com/info/Psychological_projection
with near-total lack of self-awareness, though. So there’s that…
@Achmed E. Newman
Do you really think that your ignorant ranting serves any purpose, other than your own psychological satisfaction? It’s a little like the cheerleaders at a HS football game. Does shouting “Go Tigers!” ever persuade any opponents to change sides?
I’d assume that you and your silly friends have been yelling “Immigration is Treason!” for 20 or 30 years. Have you ever actually accomplished anything? Isn’t immigration today just as high as it was when you first started?
Well, since the last item isn’t actually *true*, that presents other difficulties, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out. Among other things, it helps persuade the Silicon Valley people that you’re just a bunch of total liars, making it much more likely that they’ll just throw you off the Internet.
And since you’re obviously total liars about something they know from their own real-life experiences, they’re much more likely to believe the NYT/MSM accusations about other things, such as your being Russian spies who should be tossed into prison.
But here’s a simple, empirical question. I’d say that you and your friends have followed the political/media strategy you advocate for at least 20-30 years. As it ever actually worked? Isn’t immigration just as high today as it was when you started? What have you actually accomplished?
It seems to me that if a particular political/media strategy hasn’t produced any noticeable results for 20-30 years, well, maybe you should consider trying something different…
You’re still evading the question, of course. Again — to precisely what inexorable of force of nature do you attribute the unprecedented non-White invasion of America over the past 50+ years? And whence derives its supposedly irresistible force? How did this irresistible force of nature arise de novo in recent years? What changed with respect to the laws of physics/ population biology/ etc.? Why does this “force of nature” target only particular countries, and not others?
I’m not sure why these very straightforward, simple questions about the underlying assumptions of your worldview are so triggering to you. They’re certainly central to the “diversity is our greatest strength” canard that you are so desperate to promote. Are you seriously claiming that you’ve never even considered them?
Or are you now admitting that (as should be obvious) the non-White invasion of recent decades was the result of deliberate human action by identifiable people (and groups of people with perceived common interests), but simply claiming that is is somehow “NOT FAIR!!!” to identify and target those responsible for the ongoing destruction of the historic American nation? Seems like a pretty weak “argument.”
I’m very disappointed that you failed to respond to my modest proposal for a combination immigration reform for America/ welfare reform for Israel program.* It’s based on very sound econometric principles and backed by the cognitive elites of the National Academy of Sciences and the renowned Brookings Institution. Needless to say, it’s also a good fit for your radical stance in favor of promoting non-White immigration to White countries. Looks like a win/ win to me. With your assistance, I’m certain that we can get the Saban Center to sign on to move this thing forward. Please consider it.
So you admit that your “arguments” are merely empty rationalizations, and that you’re engaged in speaking power to truth?
Thanks.
*Errata in original comment: “National Academy of Scientists” should be “National Academy of Sciences,” and “96B” should be “$76B,” of course.
Well Mr. Unz, as you know I look at this issue from a more civilizational, ‘big picture’ approach, and there have been some minor victories.
Some might even suggest the advent of Donald Trump – and everything the left hates him for, as one of those victories. As N. American whites are slated for the trash heap of history, at least Trump gives them one last rallying cry before they’re escorted off stage left, to go gently into that goodnight.
But even more to the point is Europe, with Brexit and a nascent nationalism that is blossoming all over the mother continent. Italy, Hungary, Poland, and even France is now roiling under the demand that the French middle class pay for their replacements.
So even as I suspect that your side has accomplished its ‘fait accompli’ in the ZUSA, and the ‘United States of America’ is now a laughable farce, there’s still some hope for our people/civilization to persevere, Silicon Valley execs notwithstanding.
“the criminality of the illegals” ?
Seems true by definition, at least on some level. Also, when American girls are raped and murdered by illegals (who don’t belong here to begin with), certainly that falls under the definition of “criminality of the illegals”, even if you’re able to show that from certain perspectives, their raping and murdering isn’t noticeably higher percentage-wise than native born American’s raping and murdering, (but the girls are just as dead).
Well Sir, what would you suggest?
Oxycontin, perhaps fentanyl?
Is it wrong or misguided to notice (and wonder at the wisdom of) seeing your fellow ethnics cleansed from the lands they were born in? What, if not ethnic cleansing has happened to those areas in California, where you mention whites were 80% a few short decades ago, and are now 30% – ?
Is that something whites should be sanguine about? Should they accept, (what they can’t change), and learn to adapt to a new way?
The whites of South Africa (like Zimbabwe before them) are now finding out what political disenfranchisement really means. Is there some reason to expect that the whites in the ZUSA will fare any better?
Leftist professors are already calling for white men’s genitalia to be cut off and fed to pigs. As such people consolidate absolute power here, and because demography is destiny, they surly will..
What would you suggest is the prudent thing to do?
But here’s a simple, empirical question. I’d say that you and your friends have followed the political/media strategy you advocate for at least 20-30 years. As it ever actually worked? Isn’t immigration just as high today as it was when you started? What have you actually accomplished?
Speaking about something that isn’t true. Nobody in any political arena has made immigrant crime an issue in any significant way other than Trump. That is why the media was so sure they could derail him. Yet Trump won on it no matter how many times they called him a racist.
The people in Silicon Valley don’t live in the same neighborhoods so don’t see the day-to-day degradation of the neighborhood that becomes Hispanic. It is easy to believe in a fantasy such as yours when your only contact is the maid and the carwash guy.
This is what a Hispanic neighborhood looks like:
http://homicide.latimes.com/
Notice all the Hispanics and blacks. While there aren’t many white victims, who pays for all of this? Do you really think the Hispanics do? The LA County Jail system is the largest in the country and has expanded immensly since I was a kid. Some of that can be blamed on tougher sentencing, but this is the county jail where people are awaiting trial and sentencing for felonies and doing time for misdemeanors. The jail is so overcrowded that sentences of 90 days or less are not served (according to a judge where I attended a hearing), you are processed and released. If you visit the facility in Saugus, you might think you are in Boyle Heights.
thanks Radical Center. will check out your Jon Entine article.
Since Ron’s article is on our American racial politics, maybe to refresh the threads here, I offer this longish piece I wrote a few days ago.
The 4th Failure I address maybe should have been put first. Nevertheless…..my point is this: The reason for our current madness over race and immigration is that the Whole Project of Race Equality (the only socially constructed aspect of the whole mess ) is a Total Failure.
Therefore, so many folks are going nuts because they have hit-the-wall psychologically….Total Failure and its consequent scapegoating of the Messengers from Darwin. so comes the Devil Theory …White Men , in the usual progression of Denial…anger, blame others, and so on. Plus opportunism in virtue signaling, etc…… Give me a medal.
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We are all familiar with love life’s dialectics, of how extreme love can turn to hate, not just of the rejected for his or her would-be lover, but of anybody who counsels restraint.
FDR’s Four Freedoms comes to mind so I looked it up: Four freedoms: “the freedom of speech and expression, the freedom to worship God in his own way, freedom from want and freedom from fear.” This formulation was the official Liberal Words of our Time. It contrasted with 19th century purely political Liberalism which made no claims on Society and its warts. For example, the Founders talked only about the “pursuit” of happiness, not happiness.
“Freedom” is about worn-out as a Word, It is on the lips of every fool in the country. Obligation , a very useful Word in the lexicon of both personal life and political life, is pretty scarce. So, let me take another tack to see if we can make some headway in today’s heavy weather of love/hate politics. Let’s talk about Failures of the Socialism and Communism and then the Social Revolution in general.
What are the Four Failures of our Time? The first one is the failure of communism. Th Second Failure is the Social Revolution of what can be called Happiness guaranteed by the State.. This is problematic inasmuch as certain aspects of Four Freedoms..like freedom from want..make sense in a country that can afford it , and it contributes to general health since we all can get sick from communicable diseases, etc. And, State intervention in the economy, particularly to protect purchasing power of workers, is necessary for the economy as a whole.
The Third Failure, is a subset of the Second Failure, that of the Social Revolution. It began in our time right now, about the same time as the UN’s International Declaration of Human Rights, after WW2 and the Liberation of Third World countries from European Imperial Domination and Control.
Third World Liberation was the clarion call for the Wretched of the Earth— the words of Frantz Fanon , a Caribbean of Black and European descent, to achieve liberation from White Colonialism, etc. Over the last half-century, Third World Revolution, or Liberation and Development, has failed.
This Failure is co-eval with the Civil Rights Revolution in the US. It began about the same time, heavily influenced by communism and Jews, usually in the same personnel. This Third World Revolution is largely Black but also Arab and South-Asian with a complicating factor of Religion in the form of Islam.
Feminism must also be included in the Failure of the Social Revolution. When Feminism strayed beyond political rights and into Social rights, the rot set in. This was also led by Jews. Today, It has not completely failed because the energies released by Social claims of White women, while similar to Black energies, have not had enough time to fail as dramatically as Black energies.
What is meant here is that legal remedies like quotas, affirmative action, set asides, quotas ….have worked much better for women than for Blacks because their general level of intelligence, if not emotional restraint, is close to White Male intelligence, and thereby can be accommodated by employers, etc.
Women continue to complain about a Glass Ceiling, but the ceiling is genetically based, and not “socially constructed” in that the higher reaches in sciences, etc. match the much higher IQs of men… when in the IQ range of 120 plus.
Nevertheless women’s emotional character is much more social than in men. They are thus prey to misplaced and surplus love…especially when childless, or manless….a result of their Jewish feminist hectoring to hate men.
The Fourth Failure of our times of the last half-century plus, is the Ideology of biological Equality, that the various Races are equal in general endowment.
Arguably, this is the Granddaddy of the First Three Failures. But because the Ultimate Causation in a vexed consideration and study of a problem can be the last to yield its secrets. The clearest case in this regard is that of the discovery of DNA and RNA back in the early 1960s, by Crick and Watson, (two White men, not to rub it in or anything).
Darwinism was based on the early discoveries in inheritance, and study of change in organisms over time. But it lacked the understanding of the blueprint of our biology. Now we have it
Genetics is now beyond dispute. Environment can only be conceptualized as having a very long period of determination of genetic change in a population, taking thousands of years to effect change.
The races are very different as a result. The most significant difference is intelligence, and has been determined by the effects of Cold and geographic Distance from the global north’s Ice Age and general cold conditions. The Third World is South and dumb, and the First World is North and Smart.
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The Four Failures have become signal and massive only in the last half-century although many prescient folks, mostly White, have been aware of it for much longer…going back into the 18th Century.
Given the implicit racialism of most of our history as Whites, it took the American Civil War, and now in the aftermath of World War Two, and the social movements described above, to bring the contradictions of the Social Revolution Ideology of Racial Equality vs. the biological reality of race into sharp focus….especially given the manifest Failures of them all.
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The Four Failures are hard to stomach, for both Negroes and their colored cousins, but especially for Whites inasmuch as Whites, peculiar amongst the races, have a huge genetic component of the trait…Altruism. It is called these days, Pathological Altruism because when we were alone, it worked well for our developement as a civilization. But now among racial Others, who want to milk or butcher us, it has become pathological for Whites. No other race allows Others to immigrate, especially Jews and Chinks.
Social Trust amongst Whites has fallen greatly. The White areas with the highest Social Trust are homogenous White. The White areas with the least social trust are diverse with Negroes and Whites. (Robert Putnam)
We are starting to hate one-another. Or better, as was just revealed in a poll last week, conservatives are twice as likely to have liberal friends as liberals are to have conservative friends. ( so who exactly is “liberal” in the old-fashioned classical sense of tolerance and openness?)
I ran into a liberal friend last night. He always talks peace and love. When I talk about our cave-man psychic wiring, he repeatedly objects that we must learn to love one-another. When Trump came up, about one minute later, he called Trump an ass-hole. So much for peace and love.
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How luv turns to hate. Whites are the race that Luvs Too Much. Romantic Love has been argued to be a feature of the White Race, that we invented it in the Middle Ages. Dunno.
Sexual passion can lead to fireworks among any race. Personal love is another matter, And I do not claim that Whites love more than Other races. However, it is clear that we love our animals more than Other races do. It is possible that our Love Quotient is higher than Other races. Nothing is equal. Given our now pathological altruism, we probably do love more than Other races
Whites abolished slavery, and led and lead the various Helping efforts all over the world. Etc.
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Today, Whites are starting to hate a lot, particularly White lefties and liberals. Whites are not only disciplined soldiers, we are also ferocious. Look at our Civil War, which took on the character of a religious war.
Today, Liberals have a religion, not a point of view. They hate racialists in the same way they hated in religious wars. This may only be possible given the waning of Christianity. God is dead, but Niggers are Holy.
Etc. We have been goaded into this in part by Jews, who led the Black Insurrection, right from the git-go, as a wedge to get Jews into the US when Immigration policy was set against them, and to get Jews jobs thru affirmative action like policies, etc..
Nevertheless, White Altruism has become suicidal and also fratricidal in that it can be subverted to kill White Racists! for NIggers and the Refuse of the Planet, open borders, etc.
It is very Strange, but True. The Excessive Luv of liberals has turned to hate. The excessive luv was always Bad for Whites when living among Negroes, etc. but now it is heading for a catastrophe.
The difference now when compared to our Civil War, is that knowledge and experience are on the side of Racialism. And White racialist warriors have all the guns. And the Anglo -Saxon ha begun to hate…as well. We feel obligated (not to Strangers who will never love us) to our blood brothers and sisters, our White Genome, the genome that invented almost everything and certainly the only genome to have invented free Speech, etc.
We are White Supremacists only in the sense that we are the best, and certainly do not want to lord it over any inferior race, we just want Separation. Go in Peace but leave us in Peace.
The Second American Civil War will not lead to the Third Civil War inasmuch as most of the pathological liberal traits will have become extinct.
Joe Webb
There is no problem with the cultural issue of “Diversity”, as the process of assimilation creates ghettos, compromises and understandings between people within a given country. There IS a problem when the government gets involved with this process, advantaging people of certain racial makeups, and especially those of certain religious persuasions (Jews…) You can’t settle cultural disputes by government fiat. You’ll only exacerbate disputes when one party can brandish their official sanctions to the detriment of others. The racist attitudes of people who’ve attained a ‘special’ status as a government-designated endangered species foments discord, and precipitates racial incidents and entitlement mentalities. Ringo Starr said it best: “Everything government touches turns to crap”. In the case of government orchestrated “Diversity”, we are mired in that crap without any recourse.
This article overlooks some of Trump’s notable accomplishments which are supported by blue-dog moderate Democrats. That would be the jettisoning of unfavorable trade agreements like NAFTA in favor of USMCA, the economic policies of bringing jobs into the USA, and the foreign policy progress with nations like North Korea and China.
And there are also a lot of intangible benefits by having Trump move the Overton window even if they don’t show up in a Presidential report card. At least now we are talking about immigration again, and now if a news reporter ever tries to ask me a question I won’t have to explain myself when I say, “Sorry, I don’t talk to the enemy of the American people.”
Actually, reporters are doing what they’re supposed to do: Keep tabs on our government and keep their viewers posted on developments within that body. The 1st Amendment has made a dramatic comeback from the Stalinist tyranny of Obama’s “Rhetoric” condemning, Designated Assassinations of Dissidents Without a Warrant, or Indefinite Incarceration of U.S. Citizens Without Charges, Legal Representation or Appeals. Hillary would have been a Bull-Dyke in a China Shop if she inherited such Unconstitutional Powers, and the media would have gladly ignored their responsibility.
JOE
Second American Civil War?
Whites don’t live in inner-cities anyhow, who is there to have a civil war with? The poorest blacks and Hispanics live in inner-cities with an occupying force of police.
Where would blacks and Hispanics get the gasoline to wage a civil war on whites? Who controls the primary economies? Jews concentrate in the Northeast working in finance, law and politics but they don’t control agriculture or mining or ranching or oil.
Look, you’re being ridiculous. LA is about 50% Latino, and probably 60-70% Latino in the youthful, high-crime age population. So who would you expect is committing most of the street crime? 55-year-old suburban whites?
Meanwhile, PPIC, CA’s leading thinktank, just came out with a new report that CA arrest rates had dropped to “historic lows,” and it got a big headline in the SF Chronicle:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/California-arrest-rates-at-historic-lows-racial-13440702.php
If you look at the actual report, it shows that on a per-capita basis Latinos are being arrested at a rate just 11% higher than whites, and the figures have dramatically converged over the last few years:
https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/new-insights-into-california-arrests-trends-disparities-and-county-differences.pdf#page=11
https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/new-insights-into-california-arrests-trends-disparities-and-county-differences.pdf#page=13
Furthermore, since Latinos are much more likely to be in their prime-crime years, once you adjust for age, the arrest rates are probably identical or perhaps even a little *lower* for Latinos.
Now maybe you’ll argue that overall per-capita arrests aren’t necessarily the best metric to use, since different types of crimes are being lumped together and perhaps Latinos are less likely to be caught. Well, maybe, but these seem like pretty dramatic results to me.
Anyway, let’s look at homicides, a different, very solid metric since the reporting is almost 100%. You say you’ve lived in LA a long time and your actual handle is “MarkinLA,” so let’s consider that city.
Well, back in 1980 LA was almost 50% white and only about 25% Hispanic and there were over 1,000 homicides that year:
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1980/12/22/LA-homicides-pass-1000-for-1980/8243346309200/
Meanwhile, in 2017 LA is around 50% Hispanic and probably 20% white European, and there were only 271 homicides:
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-crime-stats-20171230-story.html
And the trend has generally been downward:
http://www.city-data.com/city/Los-Angeles-California.html
So in the last 37 years, the white population of LA has dropped by more than half and the Hispanic population has doubled, now reaching half of the total. Meanwhile, the homicide rate has *dropped* by almost 75%!
Obviously, there are lots of different complex factors involved. But if Hispanics/immigrants really had a high homicide/crime rate, this would be totally impossible.
Here’s your problem. All the Silicon Valley execs glance at the headlines of the NYT or the SF Chronicle and see some article saying Hispanics/immigrants have fairly low crime rates. That’s also exactly what they see in their day-to-day lives. All their friends and neighbors and relatives tell them the same thing.
But then you and your friends and Trump and Alex Jones and VDare all say that Hispanics/immigrants have high crime rates. So maybe a couple of SV people are sufficiently suspicious of the MSM that they decide to check the data and see who’s really telling the truth.
Unfortunately for you, in this particular case the MSM is 100% correct. And that convinces the SV people that all of you are just a bunch of complete liars or lunatics, and the MSM is probably also telling the truth about Trump being a Russian spy or something.
So Twitter and Facebook and Google then get together and ban all of you to save America from the KKK and Vladimir Putin…
“Trash heap of history”
Who would grow the food, mine the necessary metals, drill and extract oil etc. Whites control every primary economy from ranching to forestry.
We’ve seen black riots and they generally end when the looters have stolen everything worth stealing and realize that whites in the suburbs don’t care what they do in their own neighborhoods.
Blacks are not great military strategists but they do understand on a very basic level that if they did trying to extend their riots to suburbs they would be shot like fish in a barrel.
RON
The violent crime in 1980’s Los Angeles was because many more blacks were concentrated in South Central and the LBC and needless to say, Watts.
Blacks have gradually been dispersed (Apparently) by Hispanics.
If you watch COLORS or other documentaries on LA gangs in the 1980’s it was the economy created by crack cocaine that fueled so many gangs and so much crime. Whites at that time had little to do with crack-dealing street gangs at that time.
The elephant in the room is that dispersal of blacks from Los Angeles and the decline of crack cocaine as popular drugs.
The other factor was brought on by a Native American named Richard Allen Davis, who kidnapped Polly Klass. This crime brought about the Three Strikes Law that really locked up most of the 20 year old blacks in 1995 who would have been in their criminal prime.
Ron Unz,
You’re ignoring the largest neighborhood of Hispanics, and the atrocious crime rates occurring in that neighborhood. You know the place; it’s called MEXICO!
Don’t forget about the…”ethic foundation” of RU. It explains the supposedly silly claims.
At the end of the day he’s one of them. His genetics want America to be destroyed
That’s their business.
The price of flooding drugs into the US is to turn their country into one great big narco-war and lose mass US tourism.
No, it’s our problem, ’cause they’s a coming up here.
Honestly, Meimou, I don’t think that’s the problem, in this case. Though I don’t agree with many of his arguments here, I’ve seen some of his long articles on Jewish questions. They are all on this website and probably not hard to find. You will see that Mr. Unz questions just about everything, and, in fact, is pretty hard-core in his distain for the popular narrative on many things (also, not always right on that stuff either, IMO). Anyway, he is far off of that reservations that you are thinking of.
I chalk this one up to a bit of naivety due to not living on “the surface streets” and a trust in stats that don’t have some major underlying assumptions taken into account. OTOH, I’ve not done a study myself, and I’m the one who started off criticizing the article that I didn’t have to read, so I’ll let bygones be bygones …. for tonight. ;-}
So Twitter and Facebook and Google then get together and ban all of you to save America from the KKK and Vladimir Putin…
They would be banning us anyway like they fired that Damore guy. That LA story also said violent crime is up for the 4th year in a row.
However, the other report did say this:
Meanwhile, older adults make up a growing share of all arrests. For example, those ages 40 and older made up 14 percent of all arrests in 1980, compared to 30 percent in 2016.
So maybe your whole argument about correcting for age is wrong. This indicates a large amount of recividism which is typical of gangs and crime families – something quite common in the Hispanic community.
So in the last 37 years, the white population of LA has dropped by more than half and the Hispanic population has doubled, now reaching half of the total. Meanwhile, the homicide rate has *dropped* by almost 75%!
Obviously, there are lots of different complex factors involved. But if Hispanics/immigrants really had a high homicide/crime rate, this would be totally impossible.
You are comparing a time when the crack turf wars had Hispanic gangs attacking each other, black gangs attacking each other, and blacks attacking Hispanics and vice versa. The black gangs are essentially non-existent as compared to then due to section 8 sending them to the Antelope Valley. The Mexican Mafia and cartels have largely stopped the inter-gang drug turf wars for the Mexican gangs.
The problem with looking at these cooked statistics is that California has consistently passed laws weakening sentences and responding to prison and jail overcrowding by ignoring lots of low level crime. They simply don’t do anything when you report you have been broken into (it happened to me). If it is less than the recently passed 950 dollar threshold the police don’t care, they don’t want to deal with a case that will be a misdemeanor and result in no jail time. A guy I know had gang members tear down the security cameras he installed at his house in Santa Ana. He brought the DVR to the police station and they basically told him to get lost. With stuff like this, of course, arrests are going to go down and make Hispanics look far less crime prone than they are.
Throw into this the natural tendency of people to not report low level crime when they know it is gang related and you have reduced crime rates.
You think these things are irrelevent anecdotes but they are not, they tell the story of how these statistics get distorted. Small time crime is no longer being policed or part of the crime statistics.
When I grew up everybody knew how things changed as you went from La Habra to East Los Angeles on Whittier Boulevard. Certainly nobody was going to shoot you like might actually happen driving by some black housing project but you could see the different attitudes to the law. You would see it on a typical weekend night where the most someone might be picked up for was having an open can of beer or curfew in Whittier to displays in East Los Angeles of the machismo of the vato locos doing a trick where they open their car door, place their empty beer bottles on the road, and burn out through the light as it changes to red. Obviously, a stupid trick to impress the girls but representative of their attitudes to the law.
Where I lived it was very majority white and the Hispanics who tried to pretend they were cholos were laughed at (even by some of the Hispanics), Now that same place is full of gangs and more than a few people have been shot as well as a major drug bust of an entire gang a number of years ago. The local police have a gang unit and a grafitti abatement officer who takes pictures of the gang grafitti to pass it along to the gang unit.
There were no grafitti abatement units 40 years ago. The first one was a voluntary unit in Sylmar. Now every town seems to have one and possibly a gang unit or liason with the Sherriff’s gang unit.
If there is no Hispanic crime why has the LA County jail system been expanded extensively? Why did black inmates at the Saugus facility sue because they weren’t safe?
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/may/11/local/me-29015
However, why is the argument about how much Hispanic crime is allowable when the real issue is why should we be importing any? Crime rates don’t tell the whole picture since if we removed Hispanics the crime rate might actually go up as the very high black crime rate swamps the drop in crime and population. It still would be a better place without the Hispanic crime.
So what should the focus be on if the idea is to curb immigration in general and especially from the third world such that every attempt isn’t met by the other side sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming “racist”, “racist”, “racist”? Do you really think those SV people reading about low Hispanic academic achievement would believe a story that said Hispanics don’t study STEM because of aptitude? There isn’t one failing in the Hispanic community that doesn’t have some “expert” explaining it all away with “science”.
MARKIN
1) Richard Allen Davis the Polly Klass killer was the end of the white petty career criminal/junkie who went through the “revolving door”. The THREE STRIKES LAW does not really affect Mexican Mafia but rather the lone masses of derelict white burglars and sex offenders. Either they stopped committing crimes or were locked up for life for stealing a bicycle for the third time.
2) There are no longer white ethnic neighborhoods. Irish and Italian kids rumbling with Armenians is a thing of the past. WELCOME BACK KOTTER types live in suburbs and don’t form WARRIOR-type street gangs that fight in parks.
3) Very few people smoke crack anymore. It is a drug that has gone largely out of style. Black gangs no longer have an economy to stand on.
4) The blacks and Hispanics my age who would have been in their criminal prime in the 90’s and 2000’s got locked up at age 20 after the Three Strikes Laws and were not on the street to commit more crimes.
Herzl answered the so-called “Jewish Question”: He developed Zionism as a doctrine to establish a Safe House for Jews, though he was not influential in the process of selecting the locale. The reason Palestine was chosen was simple: Jews could claim that nation as their ancestral home, though that is truly an indication of their cynicism, and mendacity. There was never a Jewish “Question”, except to beg an explanation why no country or culture would tolerate them. At least the “Father of Zionism” understood that fundamental fact. You know of course that Herzl coined the term “Final Solution” to emphasize the need for such a doctrine?
Either they stopped committing crimes or were locked up for life for stealing a bicycle for the third time.
Each strike has to be a felony and the law was changed so the last one has to be a violent felony. This has caused some problems where a violent felon’s third strike was a non-violent offense and he wasn’t locked up for life and later did commit a violent crime.
I think this is “Jeff Stryker” going Anon to escape Mr. Unz’s increasingly meddlesome (from his perspective) jabs at his mostly incoherent rambling. Doesn’t matter what nom-de-plume (or lack thereof) you adapt, you have a distinct signature in your prose. Just give up your false detroit street cred mixed with the man of the world shtick already
The Criminal Justice System is a self-defeating enterprise. Three Strikes was a valid and effective anti-crime measure that recognized criminal behavior. If you lock up one criminal, you’ve prevented HUNDREDS of crimes, because for every caper these crooks are convicted of, there are likely dozens of other crimes they’ve committed, which police are not aware of. Actually, very few crimes even warrant an arrest, much less incarceration–drug use being one of them. The true criminals who deserve a stretch in the Big House are few and far between, and when they’re locked up, particularly in large numbers, the crime rates drop significantly. Hence, police are faced with cuts in staffing due to the lack of crime. That is one reason why they want these crooks released and on the streets, and why they’re still going after drug addicts and prostitutes. I label this process as “Self-Perpetuating Government”.
Well yeah, it’s obvious that having the government officially anoint particular designated victim groups (and designated villain groups), and jam everything into some kind of oppressor-victim narrative, only exacerbates things.
But the underlying truths are:
Diversity + Proximity = War.
“Assimilation” is a myth — except with peoples that are closely related genetically, and preferably share a significant amount of common culture. And even then, it takes generations.
The Slate is not Blank. The Dirt is not Magic. Every known human behavioral characteristic has a significant (often majority) genetic component, and those characteristics differ in their distribution between groups.
A nation is not lines on a map, or a particular patch of dirt, or a particular economic or political system. It is a people who share a common heritage, language, culture, and religion.
Large scale invasion by alien peoples destroys a nation. Attempting to claim “B-b-but this invasion is good for you, goy!!” is transparent sophistry. Beneath contempt. From the standpoint of actual Americans, not only is there no need to import 10s of millions of non-Whites — the practice is actively, indisputably harmful. Why is it done? Because rootless cosmopolitans and other elites view it as useful to their interests. It’s been very successful in suppressing wages/ ensuring that all gains from increased productivity over the past 45 years have gone to capital, and none to labor (pic related):
It’s also viewed as advantageous from the standpoint of dividing the goyim, of course. Not to mention that a people who view themselves as members of a single nation spread out across the world, who just happen to live in others’ countries for the moment… reflexively view the very idea of those host countries actually enforcing their own borders to be rather inconvenient. Abhorrent, really. It’s a obvious matter of group self-interest, but they go through all sorts of logical contortions to try to present it as “moral” or “helping the oppressed peoples” or some other kind of tikkun olam BS.
good points of course. What civil war in a modern economy-huge state will look like is far from clear. Yet you can look at France right now for thinking about urban fighting.
More to the point, look at what the antifas are doing at college campuses. Centers of political and cultural and econonic power can become contested territory.
Katrina had Whites in vigilante formations protecting their neighborhoods from blacks.
When the Dems outvote us, particularly in California or Texas, etc. and begin their raids of the White wallets…tax resistance will spring up, like during Vietnam War times. How that can be done with the arms of the state at the controls, I dunno.
Demonstrations can form up and get violent.
Street actions can also happen, demonstrations at City Halls which get violent.
When the Dems start seizing our weapons, another flash point.
Right now, matters are inchoate. Remember the video in the 2016 election…of the homely gal at a demo wailing non-stop, like an enraged infant barely able to catch its breath…. that captures the spirit of the Intersectionists…overwhelmed by multiple Oppressions, not the least of which is personal physical ugliness. See my piece above on the Four Failures…
White Males are the source of Universal Oppression ..chanting. Armies of the Night. Of course, The Revolutionary Intersectionists may self-destruct due to their hatreds of one-another, never mind White Males and of course the White Female traitors who voted for Trump whom the female-commies especially hate.
A great target for the Revolutionaries would be a Trump Rally. Formations of Black Panthers, Aztecs, Pink Ladies clad in vagina costumes. (no wombs permitted ), White Vegans, world-citizens, grey-head liberals, yoga ladies in tights, college professors in work shirts, and Ivy button-downs or whatever is now their uniform, New-Age peaceniks, dopers of ecumenical variety, and led by Joan Baez, Reverend Sharpton, Oprah, and Kamila Harris, and the old White guy…Bernie…assaulting the Trumpers…We Shall Overcome… Power to the People.
I am not necessarily trying to be funny. This is how it starts, with the rage of the awakened Anglo Saxons exploding into senseful acts of violence.
Many points of lightning , not just one Big Bang. Never mind the coming recession about which I have been warning for over a year now.
Joe Webb
Actually, reporters are doing what they’re supposed to do
Exactly, they are supposed to be enemies of the American people, that is why they get paid.
Keep tabs on our government and keep their viewers posted on developments within that body.
That is not how you describe it below…
Stalinist tyranny of Obama’s “Rhetoric” condemning, Designated Assassinations of Dissidents Without a Warrant, or Indefinite Incarceration of U.S. Citizens Without Charges, Legal Representation or Appeals. Hillary would have been a Bull-Dyke in a China Shop if she inherited such Unconstitutional Powers, and the media would have gladly ignored their responsibility.
The only “development” most media channels have been reporting for the past three years is that Trump is now finished and the end of his candidacy/Presidency is imminent. I anticipate this “development” will keep “developing” for another 2-6 years at this point.
The 1st Amendment has made a dramatic comeback
Reporters actually believe the 1st amendment mostly applies to them, and the American people don’t have the rights they have. But the 1st amendment applies to everyone. Just another example of how the media are enemies of the American people.
Yes. Key point. This is an important part of the narrative in the current year — to the extent that you see officially-anointed “journalists” claim that anyone contesting their narrative is somehow “violating the 1st Amendment.”
Clearly, the 1st Amendment was intended to protect the legacy media oligarchy’s “right” to disseminate their version of reality in an efficient, uncontested fashion, while suppressing “hate speech” (p0litical dissidents/ heretics). I don’t know why people have such difficulty understanding this. It’s right there in the Constitution. The names of the corporations which are the only beneficiaries of this “right” are included in a footnote somewhere. Honest.
The means by which many people “Assimilate”, particularly people from foreign countries, is by creating ghettos. China Towns, Korean Towns, Italian Neighborhoods, Little Saigons, etc. They circle their cultural wagons to construct a zone of familiarity and recognition. Brighton Beach is the Jewish version. From that premise, you can subdivide ghettos into behavioral segments: Fire Island, for example, where homosexuals congregate. The term “assimilation” describes how a cross section of cultures seek “Comfort Zones” to subsist among their own kind, and continue their traditions and construct their peculiar brands of architecture. Their dress, music, cuisine, religious beliefs, language and social structures will uniquely define their segment of a population. I embrace cultural diversity, but I adamantly condemn the government for meddling in the process of assimilation.
Reporters became ‘enemies of the American People’ when our media was consolidated under Jewish Control. An analogy would be the death of independent gas stations. There used to be thousands of gas stations that sold cheap fuel, and competed with much larger corporate versions operating franchised outlets with specific price-per-gallon structures. When Feinstein and her Climate Crusaders finagled the requirement for a fuel additive that would supposedly reduce emissions, along with our need for foreign oil, they ‘unwittingly’ (Jews NEVER do anything unwittingly…..) created a situation where the fuel additive would dissolve the ground tank seals at many gas stations. An expensive and time consuming process of digging up their tanks and resealing them resulted in the closure of thousand of independent operators. Now Big Oil can dictate the prices of gas with much less competition to consider. The same process has rendered our media a tightly controlled industry, ruled by small number of powerful and influential billionaires. They ALL sing the same tune: Globalism, Global Warming, Global Trade, Global Consolidation of Countries into Trade Zones, Global Social Structures such as Feminism, Homosexual Rights, Immigration Rights, and a relentless campaign to keep the Jewish Holocaust as fresh as a daisy within our collective consciousness. Those reporters can be replaced with parrots on the shoulders of those potentates, all bleating the party line. But who would want to listen to a parrot, when those female pundits wear skirts hiked up to their thighs, with their cleavage protruding prominently toward the camera?
Sure. But why go to the trouble? Why import them in the first place? We gain nothing from it.
That said, this type of system — give the various peoples their own regions — has worked for Switzerland for hundreds of years. But enforced diversity at the micro level, while deliberately stirring up conflict between the various groups?
Nope.
Hay Stryker, whatcha doin’ poisonin’ the well again with your obfuscated garbage? Don’tcha got poontang to chase, lobster to chow [heard thailand has the best lobster trail that side of the pacific] and then wash it down with some (tiger) beer??
And this has NOTHING to do with how much money an immigrant class earns. Look at the dot heads, currently the wealthiest ethnic group. They’ve got the lowest cultural assimilation index of any major immigrant group [checkout sunnyvale, redmond or edison], are some of the most nepotistic folks at work [i work in tech so i’ve seen this far too much to make a claim in jest], are an extremely racist [in the real sense of the word NOT the SJW one] bunch and have got chutzpah in spades. They are verbally agile and now have quite a powerful lobby up in DC chasing ever more work visas to dominate other industries the way they’ve dominated big tech. They are so much like those (((chosenites))) in ways more than one that any person with an open and discerning mind can easily see it. So those that argue for ever more “skilled immigration” from extremely low trust nations like India are either being dishonest or are being too naive [digger the graves for their children I’d say]
CIVIL UNREST & REALISM
California model
In San Francisco, the traditional Irish-Catholic community of the Castro district was the last to go and went out with a literal bang when Dan White the Irish-Catholic cop-turned-businessman shot Harvey Milk-the NYC gay transplant.
The gays triumphed anyhow and out went Micks to make way for Andrew Cunanan and AIDS.
All over California the same thing happened. Hispanics took over the working class job market and neighborhoods and the whites moved to more rural areas.
Big business requires a great deal of cooperation with the Left from the Jewish Wall Street broker and Hollywood flunkie through the Asians in Silicone Valley down to the Mexicans. All of these people affect whites badly-the Mexicans push dope, Wall Street screws them, Hollywood degrades them.
If rural whites were to revolt, the question is whether or not the oligarchy would not send the military in to simply suppress such an uprising.
It would not have a choice because the primary economies/resources are located in the rural hinterlands.
For example, if blacks burn their crack-houses in Watts, it has no effect on the economy. If white farmers did the same thing in Central Valley it would.
So of course the military and the ATF might wage war against them.
“Why import them in the first place?” Why, indeed. We don’t need immigrants, and we certainly do not require undocumented, God-Knows-Who people attaching themselves to our social programs, taking our jobs and voting for Democrats. America needs to employ our own workers, not interlopers who are increasingly projecting the notion that they deserve citizenship status and civil rights.
I’ve been in the San Francisco bay area since the early 1950s non-stop so I damn well know what is happening here over the years. This was the hotbed of Cultural Marxism because the Frankfort School Jews set up shop at UC Berkeley in the 1930s when Hitler came to power, there and Columbia Univ in NYC.
People were swept away with the “do what thou wilst” of the 50s (beats) and 60s (hippies) this was a frontal attack on families and you had skyrocketing divorce. Open Immigration Act of 1965 flooded the country with 3rd world legal immigrants. We used to go to airport to watch planes land then suddenly you would see Indians with native dress and boxes not suitcases, they were moving here. It looked very strange to me as a kid.
The Mexicans worked hard and stayed in their own enclaves, there children later became gang members citing that “my parents were treated like shit and worked their asses off” they seemed to carry the buried family rage which is a common thing for minorities in America.
I experienced it all and watched it unfold. The immigrants are a side dish, the main dish was cultural marxism with the goal of destroying America from the inside. They went after families, relationships (feminism) drugs, media, hollywood, record industry. I am a conservative convert and now I see everything in popular culture was a destructive tool.
The migrants are here to finish us off. Anyone who denies this is stupid or in on it.
Ron Unz,
I want to get an idea of what you think our national immigration policy should be today overall (legal and illegal). Should we have more or less legal immigration? Should immigration policy be targeted to certain groups? Should we deport illegals (some or all) or not? What do you think are the cultural issues involved? What are your views on immigration and multiculturalism? etc. etc.
Which of your article(s) would be the best summary of your current thinking? You have quite a paper trail that stretches back a while and, reading some of your output, I think I understand your views on parts of the immigration question, but I’m not getting the big picture of your current views on the subject.
Thanks in advance and thanks for this site. It’s nice to see our free speech rights be exercised.
Bingo!
Jeff Sessions was a popular Senator for a reason. Here in the former stronghold of slavery, we do have many cotton-field-sized collections of illegal aliens, taking over formerly middle-class areas of cities. It is all about low wages in “fiscally conservative” Dixie. “The poor,” including womb-productive illegal aliens, get their major bills paid by government when in single-breadwinner households that stay under the income limits for the programs.
Illegal aliens qualify for monthly welfare and up to $6,431 in refundable child-tax-credit cash. Due to their womb productivity, illegal aliens are not the most-suffering group in Southern states, where per-capita income is at $20k and below. Kentucky’s per-capita income is $18,093, and it is driven down by illegal aliens, willing to work for beans due to welfare, although female citizens likewise drive wages down in service-sector and office jobs. Due to their spousal income or welfare and refundable-child-tax-credit access in single-earner households, they can afford to work for beans.
If current immigration policies do not change, nothing will ever change on the wage front in any significant way. Instead of 40 years of falling wages, we will have 100 years of falling wages and increasing social strife. Because as long as illegal aliens (and many citizens) have womb-productive sex in single-earner households, strategically staying below the income limits for monthly welfare and the cash-assistance welfare that is issued through the tax code, they need not worry that the jobs are often temporary, part time and so low paying that the single and non-welfare-eligible citizens cannot afford rent.
This article is right about the irrational distinction between legal & illegal immigrants, in that most in both groups drive wages down for US citizens due to the pay streams they receive from the US government for having sex and reproducin. Which most do the minute they get here. Coming to a strange country, where they do not know the language, they do not wait to become acclimated. They immediately reproduce, whereupon a disproportionate number qualify for free EBT food, subsidized housing, monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in sex-and-birthing pay from the US Treasury Department each April.
The economic fallout from mass-scale immigration is not subordinate to cultural issues in the low-wage South. Struggling to cover the rent on sub-par wages, many of us deeply resent it. Raised to mind our P’s and Q’s in public, we stay polite about it in the South, but in 2016, it came out in the voting booth, not that Trump has done anything about this issue. He has just provided a cathartic effect by talking about it openly, giving people greater leeway to at least discuss the issue.
This article is right that, if rates of legal immigration continue to swell, an end to birthright citizenship issue will not solve this issue, and Trump has let in more legal immigrants, not less, with immigrants getting 3/4ths of the jobs in some months. As long as those immigrants have sex and reproduce, they can afford to work cheaply, undercutting job-seeking citizens due to their access to sex-and-reproduction-based wage boosters from .gov. The Republican Congress even bumped up the pay of the higher earning immigrant parents via another uphike in the non-refundable child tax credit.
This thumbing of their noses at underemployed citizens, and working-age citizens who are out of the laborforce in record numbers, almost made me stay home in the mid-term elections, skipppng them for the first time since I became eligible to vote. I switched parties in 2016, primarily for this issue, and what good did that do? I headed out to vote at the last minute, arriving at the polls less than 30 minutes before they closed, deciding to vote Republican again as a gesture of protest against these opportunistic virtue signlars, like the crew at the Non-Southern Poverty Law Center who are weaponizing the internet against individuals.
I also thought about the SCOTUS picks and the birthright citizenship issue, albeit it won’t matter if Republicans keep upping the number of legal immigrants admitted, taking the number from 1.5 million per year to 1.7 million per year, rather than reducing it to 500,000 per year or, better yet, 250,000 highly skilled, non-welfare-eligible, non-wage-slicing immigrants per year. Because the SCOTUS has already ruled that the children of legal immigrants are citizens, the birthright citizenship thing will not matter in the context of underemployed citizens being undercut by immmgrant womb producers who can afford to work part time for beans due to their eligibility for monthly welfare and up to $6,431 in refundable child-tax-credit cash.
One thing this article does not take into consideration is the higher resentment level when illegal border crossers are not punished for minor crimes, while citizens are, and are in fact rewarded for it with thousands of dollars of welfare and progressive-tax-code welfar. As long as they reproduce for the motherland after crossing the border illegally, they are rewarded with welfare and, in effect, exempt from many laws and rules. If you think they are, you have never worked your can off in a super-busy insurance store, not making enough to rent an apartment, watching many poor customers who were born and raised here suffer severe economic consequences for doing things that illegal aliens get away with because of 1) providing a cheap labor pool for the wealthy and 2) their sex and reproduction, the fact that they are all regarded as wonderful family people for whatever reason.
The illegal alien momma who left her preschool-aged child in her car with keys in the ignition while grocery shopping, resulting in the child backing the car into a support column in the shopping complex where I worked, likely receives many layers of pay from government for sex and reproduction, but she is not a wonderful family person as portrayed by the MSM, a group that glorifies every illegal alien womb producer crossing the southern border. She was not punished for that incident. When they got there, the police laughed, dismissing it since it was an illegal alien, saying the strip mall owner’s insurance would pay for the damage, whereas a citizen would have been punished in many ways: hefty DL fees, court fees, steeply uprated insurance premiums for years and a visit from staff at the Department of Children’s Services for child neglect.
This is typical for illegal aliens. They get away with many things that citizens are punished for because of their willingness—their welfare-funded willingness—to work for very low wages.
They also dominate multiple industries. Employers increasingly do not bother to train American citizens, or put up with anything from them, since they have an unending supply of welfare-fueled immigrants, regarded as uncomplaining and docile, although any bad behavior on worksites by illegal aliens is probably overlooked in the same way their minor law violations are overlooked because of their welfare-financed willingness to work cheaply, which increases the profit margins of the affluent.
The South has few illegal aliens, really?
Why do the managers at the Department of Human Services, where I worked briefly, have access to a tool that detects Fake SS numbers, not that it matters since hordes of illegal alien moms leave that building with $450 per month on average just in free EBT food qualify anyway due to the non-fake SS cards of their US-born kids. They proudly spread up to 4 SS cards of US-born kids out in front of the college grads processing the cases. Many caseworkers cannot afford rent on their $12-per-hour pay. Illegal aliens also get 100% free medical care for every member of the household, not just for their US-born kids, funded through a special Medicaid pool so that hospitals don’t go broke from administering so much uncompensated care, with the top, low-earning illegal alien womb producers getting $6,431 refundable child tax credits to spend as they please.
Illegal aliens do not always show up in census data, but do show up in several industries, which they dominate in bold displays of reverse discrimination, forming about 98% of work crews when not 100%. With lower housing costs and a far lower wage base for the bottom 80%, the South is McMansion land, but during the frenzy of pre-housing-collapse top-20%er Gatsby-home building, a tiny group of US citizens in the bottom 80% of earners enjoyed the trickle down from the decadent building spree. I will never forget hanging an art exhibit in a private residence in a large gated community, full of massive homes under construction. Hundreds of construction workers were in that neighborhood, hammering away, and I felt like I was in a foreign country, with just a handful of others speaking English, basically me, the owner of one of those houses and a couple of interior designers.
This type of bold reverse discrimination, favoring illegal aliens and legal immigrants from Latin America, is additional to the many office job categories that are now 80% dominated by Black workers, including the 8 government agencies, corporate back offices and call centers that I, personally, have seen, either by working there as a temp or “permanent” hire or by jumping through all the interview hoops, only to be told that I was a “non-culture-fit” despite having a college degree, relevant licenses and work experience. In the case of one huge call center for a large and nationally known company, a Black manager strode through multiple training rooms, where 187 temps were taking test after test to get 6 weeks of low-wage temp work. She paraded her 9-out-of-10 Black-mom permanent hires through those training rooms, saying “We need a diversity panel.”
How long would it take a white manager to be fired for openly mocking Black temps or even for some innocuous statement with no racial intent?
On top of this racism by Blacks, we in the South have the 98% Spanish-speaking work crews and the nice immigrant families, hiring mostly their relatives and immigrant friends. That’s not racism ‘cause their skin is slightly darker, you white racists.
It is not just the cultural issues attached to cultural Marxism—the flag removal and the topplimg of historical statues that took artists months of work to complete—that bother Southerners. It is a matter of falling wages, falling job access and the reduced chance to keep a roof over your head in a non-dangerous neighborhood.
The culture of the South has changed drastically, anyway, as the area succumbed to the libertine social mores unleashed in the Sixties. The “socially conservative” Bible Belt is now full of never-married parents of all races. That way, employers in the land of slavery have an ample supply of low-wage workers, with a financial interest in working part-time or temp gigs at low wage levels that keep them under the income limits for monthly welfare and refundable child tax credits in single-breadwinner households.
It just seems especially unfair when illegal border crossers, too, undercut all the many non-welfare-eligible citizens.
The economic consequences of mass immigration are greatly resented, seething under the surface. People are just more private here, keeping to themselves, sequestered on their own property and observing a certain polite distance. Southerners mostly leave each other alone. It is one reason why racial integration happened quicker here, once it got underway, as predicted by MLK.
But this leave-your-neighbors-alone Southern attitude has its limits. Doing a routine chore, I had to wait a few hours in a public building, where I noticed many of my fellow Southerners with open, atypical expressions of disgruntlement on their faces, not trying to disguise it as Southerners typically do in public. Multiple sets of non-English-speaking immigrant parents were there with children under 2. They were showing off the kids they produced immediately upon entering a foreign country, legally or illegally. Southerners held to different standards during their upbringing—expected to be married and able to financially support any kids they produce in a era when wages are falling, in part, due to mass immigration—know that most of these immigrants qualify for multiple streams of welfare and refundable child-tax-credit cash due to their fecundity.
….due to womb-productive sex.
Wages were already low here without all of this welfare-reinforced mass immigration.
Southerners don’t like it, albeit most of us won’t speak out about it in public, regarding it as impolite.
While the Trump victory squeaked through mostly due to pro-labor Reagan Democrats in Rust Belt states swinging the election for Republicans, resentment over the mass-scale cheap-labor invasion of the South over the last few decades played a role in Trump’s 2016 turnout. The fact that President Trump has increased legal immigration, with immigrants getting many of the jobs in recent months, might have decreased white turnout in the Southern midterms.
Ted Cruz is able to turn out Southern whites and the responsible, middle-aged and older Hispanic citizens better than some Republicans. He likely appeals to them mostly based on issues other than race. Whether you are talking about whites, Blacks, Hispanics or any other group, older people form by far the biggest voting bloc. Age is a bigger factor than these pundits and so-called experts admit. The young often do not perform the civic chore of voting, regardless of their views. Hispanics get older, just like the whites, so it is no sure thing that Republicans must use race-pandering to win future elections.
Bread-and-butter economics is also a huge factor. Why do so many people assume that Hispanic citizens love to compete with millions of new welfare-fed job seekers each year? Can they afford to put citizens of other countries ahead of their rent burden?
This mass immigration issue is what turned me into a cross-over voter, not mostly for cultural reasons, and I almost skipped voting in the midterms since nothing has been done about immigration. As a former labor-leftist type who has changed over the years due to owning a small business and seeing more of life, I consider myself to be an anomaly in this area of the country, but maybe not.
Exactly. Great comment.
Just as we were not asked if we wanted chattel slaves circa 1620 when they were first brought into Jamestown.
Chattel slavery and its trade was not abolished, but rather monetized, with the 19th century introduction to the world of the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration’ system by the historic chattel slave dealers of the British Empire and the United States.
So, in that light, it ought not be too surprising the same patterns show up whether it be chattel or wage slavery, the latter being the so called ‘cheap labor’, aka ‘immigrants’.
Even the ‘doting’ phenomena existing in chattel slavery is present in wage slavery, with the increased Kaiser premium you describe, that costs and hassle, amongst other expenses, having been ‘outsourced’ to the non-exploiting general public to contend and deal with.
Well, this article from a few years ago provides the best overview of my current immigration analysis, though admittedly it’s quite long:
http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/
And this article from a couple of years outlines my proposed policy/political solution:
http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/
“It’s all about low wages..” In a fashion, yes. But you see, our government has set the minimum wage. With those adjustments, they’ve priced American labor out of competition with illegal alien laborers, or sweatshop labor in foreign countries, who’ll gladly work ‘under the table’ for less money, no withholding and no retirement contributions, social security deductions, and they have no recourse against their employers for sexual harassment, on-the-job injuries or wrongful termination. Refer to my previous post concerning American News Reporters. The inexorable campaign to Globalize our workforce has culminated in our country losing millions of jobs, and the vast reduction of competition against large corporations by upstarts and smaller firms who cannot afford the costs of labor, litigation and other expenses imposed by the government. Naturally, those who would benefit from such a business climate donate generously to liberal democratic candidates, or pledge their votes to the same in order to reap the rewards of non-competitive markets. See the Tobacco Industry.
You’re narrowing the definition of Assimilation. That process is not the regimenting of diverse population elements into proportional representation within government, business and the media, rather, people from foreign countries gravitate toward their cultural familiarity, constructing buildings, reconstituting their centers of worship, structuring social venues and marketplaces that are unique to their countries. That is why we can visit cultural ghettos that celebrate the inhabitants. I embrace that concept. This is how diverse cultures get along with each other within a given country.
Italian-descended people are a hell of a lot more assimilated and dispersed than you seem to think, for quite a while now. Otherwise I’d largely agree with you.
if you endorse and encourage this, then the country becomes nothing more than a trade fair, with “podiums” and stands representing different teams competing against each other for a diminishing market. Nothing will ever motivate them to assimilate into a seamless fabric and add into the canvas of America. This will pit ethnic against ethnic in the workplace and as the economy slowly keeps tanking, it will create ethnic oases among an economic desert. Then we are ripe for disaster and breakup. I think your stand is no different than the legions of immigration “experts” at the NYT and FP
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featherdotin your capon your forehead Thomm. Keep going. You are a proud son of Bharat doing a great service to the motherland!!It’s not a matter of “endorsing” cultural ghettos, it’s what happens when people from foreign countries coalesce within American cities. China Towns, Little Saigons, Barrios, Dutch Villages etc. form within towns and cities due to the desire of those people to seek cultural kinship. I embrace the concept. There’s no shame in celebrating your heritage, traditions and other elements of your ethnicity.
” To see that it’s literally insane”
Myself having resided for decades in the global nut-house otherwise known as Deutschland, I am able to recall umpteen discussions with manifold Germans, even self-declared conservatives, in which they never failed to describe him, Marx, as a genius “philosopher” and sort of savior of mankind.
Of course this is to be expected in a neurotic abberrated country in which every town of size can be found a street : “Karlmarxstrasse” named in his honor, and any attempt to relate the results of the applications his teachings , millions of undeserved deaths, falls on deaf, brainwashed ears.
This the very same Germany which has on it’s books the infamous, despotic big-brother “Meldepflicht”, the law requiring every resident to report their new address upon moving to the local police citizen registry : “Meldeamt”.
Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained U S Army vet, and pro jazz performer.
LOL!
Now, that there’s funny. I don’t care who ya’ are …
… unless you’re a casino or tech-support Indian, of course.
A footnote of history is that it was Sen. Lloyd Bentsen of Texas-D who got a federal law through absolving the Big Oils of any liability for those leaking tanks. This threw it onto the locals. caused many bankruptcies, long delays for clean-up (many are still unresolved) log-jams in the local courts, drove many small businesses out, etc. But who cares when you’re one of the DC mafia?
hahaha. The casino Indians gambled their lives away being tipsy and druggy. Kinda feel sad for them. But then again their “cousins” from the east have come to unleash wrath on us in “their” name, of course shafting them (and us) of whatever little opportunity they (and we) may seek in this not-so-new-anymore economy. Talk about win-win.
Whites do not have to burn their means of production. Like taxation, if, say, 25% of taxpayers refused to pay their taxes, or that portion that goes to welfare , war for the Jews, etc. the State would be helpless. Whites pay almost all the taxes anyway, since the bottom 50% pay virtually no tax, except sales tax.
Expecting business to side with Whites Revolt is a big reach/stretch, but you never know.
Armed Whites in their neighborhoods will make common cause with the local cops…except in San Francisco, etc, but they are all liberals and gunless anyway.
The General Strike, or the Myth of the General Strike per the Left around 1900, could come ’round again. The liberals push paper but working people push real things like food, auto repair, manufacturing in general , etc.
The Sit-Down Strike was a tool of labor in the 30s, occupation of factories, etc. Trump peasants would do this in a minute, especially if told to do so by Trump or another Trump.
Whites have the power to lock things up. Blacks don’t except for their neighborhoods, and Mexicans are pretty passive…hard to say what it would take to get them to commit violence.
Civil War might just be the above kinds of things….with our own Non-negotiable Demands issued to the State, like re-segregation, Mexicans and Chinese Out, etc.
The old type of warfare of fight and talk could alternate. Bargaining positions are how many guns or bridges do we hold? How many Trucks on the road can we stop…Like How many Divisions do they have.?..the old days. Fight or threaten to fight…and then talk. Get things down on paper…the New White Social Contract for a White State.
.If violence was minimized and negotiations maximized, the State would have to adjust to White Demands.
We would also have to have our own prisons…to lock up liberals, etc.
Working class and lower middle class Whites have all the hands-on talent. And the cops are on our side for the largest part.
Joe Webb
So you see Ron, such are the “joys” of legal and illegal immigration. These Hindus are some of the most ethnocentric (with cunning and chutzpah to match) people one can run into. Unfortunately one realizes it only after working with them for some time, as you get shafted behind your back in favor of one of their own. This is so common in run of the mill tech companies (like Cisco and Oracle) that it is no longer news for those of us in the industry.
They do not even feel like American companies anymore. They have all the look and feel (and a working environment) of such companies like Infosys, with an American label of course. This is the future of Murica as I see it, even if illegal immigration is toned down considerably. A cleaner (how long that’ll be is anyone’s guess, looking at SF) version of India in the tech clusters and Brazil elsewhere. Even without much violent crime, someone of Anglo-Saxon descent will definitely feel out of place except in some small town in say Montana or Idaho
There have been technologies on the books for years that will compete with fossil fuel energy. It is frustrating to witness how oil cartels wield such power over our country, when we can start the process of weaning Americans off of their products within the current decade. Trump should honor his campaign promise to make America sovereign. Getting the Middle East (Particularly Israel..) off our backs would be an excellent demonstration of that effort.
With Jews, everything is a process. You can nail down that tribe’s machinations with a single phrase: “Ulterior Motive”. Human beings are supposed to exercise that lumpy gray matter within their cranial cavities to effect their survival, propagation and vitality. Instead, we’re at each other’s throats to gain some advantage in order to one-up our competitors, each of which have enjoined an expanding government segment to arrange their participation in markets, science and other sectors. (You know, the entire time I worked for the military, I didn’t see ONE female Astrophysics Professor teaching Top Gun pilots combat tactics…..) One of the Jewish standard ploys for working their way into the hearts and mines of goyim is Socialism. The recent mid-term election, which restored democratic control of the House, has been heralded as the resumption of the Socialist Revolution, with women leading the charge, chanting their “Equality” mantras, and regimenting their subordinates to implement larger government agendas to advance and enforce that ideology among the gentry. To characterize this hubris as wanton ignorance seems charitable. Women especially should have SOME inkling as to why their cohorts in Venezuela are chasing dogs and cats to consume for nutrition. (Meanwhile, they can further strain their diminutive coherent capabilities to discern the reason why the daughter of their late Socialist Leader is a Multi-Billionaire…) Since the study of history bores these broads silly, they won’t delve into the economic and social malaise that plagued Germany, the Soviet Union, Greece, etc. Freedom does NOT materialize from the bowels of government authoritarian edicts. Freedom means freedom FROM government authority. One day in the distant future, while Jews gambol over our heads aboard their private jets, as we scurry about seeking former house pets at mealtime, these Crusaders for Equality just might have the historic epiphany to understand what they’ve done to their nation, and themselves.
OOOPS I’ve got to exercise MY lumpy gray matter. Senility has entered the building! “Hearts and MINDS”. This little keyboard (Google Chromebook) is not configured for my bulky digits. I also should replace “Coherent” with “Cognizant” . Sorry.
Americans should remember the moral of the Little Red Hen. There were people who fought and strove to forge a nation of citizens who could be free from the tyranny of royalty and oppressive government. They argued for years about how to construct the charter that would establish the governing bodies of this budding republic, and limit the powers of our leaders. Eleven years of wrangling, compromise, bickering, name calling and occasional pearls of profundity produced one of the most beneficial and durable collection of paragraphs the world has known. From that humble beginning sprang a country that would be the beacon of democracy and prosperity among all other nations. The core intent of our national charter was to relinquish the citizenry to engage in their individual efforts to provide for themselves, and employ their knowledge and unique capabilities to produce products, market and sell their wares, and reap the fruits of their labors. The government would ensure the sovereignty of our country, invoke and enforce the laws of the land, and promote an environment which fostered the growth of that prosperity.
It worked, except…………
One provision the founding fathers wisely omitted from their creation was an Amendment granting votes to certain elements of the citizenry. Namely women. “All men are created equal”. The prevailing notion in that era was that females simply were not endowed with the knowledge of how best to construct a country, or anything else, for that matter. Through the centuries, though, it became apparent that the better half’s were becoming disenchanted with their roles, and they began campaigning to gain suffrage, participate in leadership functions, and posture their gender at the helms of companies, governments and international associations. Someone was whispering in their ears during these campaigns, encouraging them to impose their presence upon males as their equals.
I think we know who was doing the whispering…
In any case, these campaigns were taking place after the Little Red Hen had built up mighty industries, solved many engineering questions, constructed energy resources, tamed rivers, grew copious amounts of food and livestock, built transportation systems, planes, trains and automobiles, vastly improved medicine, refined and built defense hardware, media empires, computers and businesses with national and international prominence. Suddenly, those men were witnessing skirts and pantsuits parading around their buildings, worn by marauding, militant women who would take over their positions, given the chance–that chance being derived by the government. It took centuries of blood, sweat and tears from individuals pursuing their hopes and dreams to build our industries, and make their mark in the world. It only takes a few Socialists, Lawyers and their Comrades within governments to crumble the creations of those dedicated inventors, leaders and dreamers.
“Suppose that Trump had built his wall, standing 700 feet tall and fronted by land-mines and self-firing machine-guns. If (say) 95% of our immigrants come across the border legally, how would such a wall have had any real impact on that flow?”
The wall will keep out drugs, sex offenders, and terrorists. That ain’t cheese, ya know.
AGREED!
Great comment, David Baker. I’m going to save this one.
Yeah, plus that 95% is a number that was obtained via a very non-precise version of rectal extraction. How does one purport to know how many illegal aliens come into the US across the non-controlled southern border in order to come up with this number? By definition, they are “undocumented”.
“Whites are starting to hate a lot.” Hmm. Would you elaborate on that topic? Why would such sentiments be confined to whites? Furthermore, who or what is engendering such “Hate”? When you’re done explaining this phenomenon, you can discuss one particular group of people who’ve trademarked that term, and established laws that criminalize hatred toward their ilk. Rather than teach you how liberals work, I’ll simplify the subject of your White Hate: Very few whites are possessed of such attitudes, and those people are easily manipulated by that aforementioned group to display anger and resentment toward other races. When they do utter racial epitaphs, or burn crosses, etc., THOSE behaviors are exploited to justify expansion of government authority to enact MORE laws, and eliminate Free Speech. (In the absence of this activity, said group will emulate those behaviors by desecrating their religious centers, graveyards, college dorm rooms, etc…) Remember Obama’s references to “Rhetoric”. When the government starts characterizing speech in that manner, you had best hide you guns, your attitudes and your families from the resultant clampdown by Big Government to prevent “Hate”.
When eastern and southern cultures enforce patriarchy so they can keep their women in line (((we)))
bomb them to glass“export freedom and democracy” to them via the US military. Now that we’ve wallowed on enough in this bullshit ourselves (we’re now talking “accommodating” transgenderism and faggotry in the military too now), they can easily call BS on this “model” of ours. However that still doesn’t stop the chosen ones to export ever more “Freedom” to these browns and then invite the angry survivors over here. That combined with ever more “legal” immigration aka the hindus and the chinese to serve as (((their))) enforcers (preet bhrara and that google ceo come to mind) as whitey is getting a tad too “troublesome” (woke) these last few years. I think we’ve truly become the biblical babylon (or is it sodom and gomorrah??)I was in the military, too. (USAF) My hitch was during the latter portion of the Vietnam Conflict. Blacks were getting uppity, and women were flooding in, as the pace of that war slowed considerably. The military became the Petri Dish for government-implemented social engineering. It didn’t take long for minorities to latch-on to their racial/gender advantages, and flaunt their special status via sexual harassment complaints, or racial discrimination claims. There was a book written about the environment created as these programs were instituted. What I learned as both a troop and a supervisor over women and minority soldiers was that dealing with preferentially designated people was a constant struggle to not appear as if you were singling them out for discipline, or even extra training, if they needed it. What women do (If they’re not total dogs…) is create competition between males for their attention and entertainment. Those young, nubile women were having a field day by generating rivalries among males for their affections. I can imagine how bad it must be getting for today’s male soldiers.
It seems sufficient, that 650,000 Americans died in the Civil War.
It seems sufficient that slaveholders were robbed of their lawful properties.
We should ignore further impertinences of the nigras, IMHPO.
Did Rome apologize for conquering the world?
Why should we?
Balderdash!
What kind of idiot would apologize for VICTORY?
Jews are weak, IMHPO.
Neither the USA, nor Israel owe anybody an apology.
How will Mr. Unz atone for his treason against the citizens of CA, through his agitation against Prop 187?
That was the only thing that could have saved CA, which is why it was called the “Save Our State” initiative.
And how can anyone dare to even call themsevles a citizen, when they have worked to screw the citizens over by forcing them to expend their hard-earned tax dollars on invaders?
I’m disgusted. I feel this is unforgivable conduct, but would be willing to consider it if there was an apology and some attempt at restorative justice. Instead, he has never repented for this egregious betrayal.
Since I was unfamiliar with this particular measure, I went back and reviewed Ron’s cache of articles by year and managed to locate the one he wrote in 1994, Against Prop. 187, which appeared in The Los Angeles Times on OCTOBER 3 of that year.
Here is the concluding paragraph:
Wow
sort of sounds like how they’re calling The Wall ‘immoral’.
Any attempt white folks make to persevere is immoral and indecent (and of course, racist)
Either you ‘go gently into that goodnight’, or you’re an evil person.
Wow, indeed.
To be fair to Ron, I was hoping he would have responded to either my or JSebation’s comment to set the record straight – i.e., has his thinking on this issue evolved since 1994 or has it remained the same?
You did not even read the article.
I can scarcely believe that a thinking human being argues that law-breaking should be allowed, in the name of harmony between races or continued support for a political faction. Or that a thinking human being seriously believes that a society can perpetuate itself while tolerating deliberate violation of its values, simply because animosity between the society and the newly arrived lawbreakers may be lowered.
But I’ll assume that Mr. Unz is both candid and sincere. Then I ask him, in what does a society, a nation, consist? Mere closeness of residence or commercial transactions do not turn disparate peoples into a single, unified society; they must share deeper qualities, qualities which partake of the essence of the peoples, or at least are essential to their lives in some other way.
For America, from its colonial founding more than four centuries ago, the unifying elements were three: the law, the language, and the Lord. The shared understanding of the Lord — corporate worship of the one true God as revealed through the Holy Spirit and the Christ — early underwent modification as first Roman Catholics and then Jews were allowed to settle in what began as Anglican and Evangelical North America. More recently, the commonality of language has been attacked, with now naturalization allowed for men and women who neither speak nor read English — and ballots (and governmental documents) are printed in Spanish and numerous other non-native languages!
So we are left only with the law. Fundamental to the law as a unifying element in what otherwise would be a mere agglomeration of peoples under rule are the concept of shared responsibilities only to oneself, one’s neighbor, and God for one’s own actions, the recognition that law should reflect eternal truth and not transitory convenience, and the existence of effective means for the people to modify, alter, or abolish laws which prove to be unjust or unnecessary. Thus obedience to the law, until and unless it is changed, is necessary not only for the administration of equal justice but also for the maintenance of a viable society, a nation in which all feel themselves joined by mutual sympathy and basic understanding.
Illegal immigration undermines that sense of shared values, because the very first act of the alien is to denigrate the law and shared values. He thus proclaims himself outside the nation. Why, then, should he or those dependent upon him be allowed to benefit from his abuse of the nation?
“I’ll assume that Mr. Unz is both candid and sincere.”
(I hate quoting myself, but I’d an afterthought too late to include it in my original comment on this article.)
I’m a newcomer here. I know almost nothing about Ron Unz. Perhaps his apparent misunderstanding of nationality or society isn’t a misunderstanding at all, and he simply regards himself as less a part of American society than a member of some other nation, group, or gathering.
My principal point was to stress that in a cohesive (or simply enduring) society, members must have shared values of one kind or another; and that, in present-day American society, an essential shared value is acceptance of the validity of the laws of the country. It’s not a game designed to keep one group or another in political office: it’s life.
Great comment.
I’d quibble only that lower-income people pay more than sales tax; federally, many of them pay FICA (Social security and Medicare) taxes of about 6.2% and 1.4%. At the state level, they pay excise taxes on gasoline, tobacco, alcohol, and marijuana like anyone else who drives or chooses those habits.
But of course, that still leaves them paying too little of the massive cost of government compared to those of us who oa6 all the aforementioned taxes plus hefty fed and state income taxes.
And people working off the books, of course, don’t even pay the Medicare and fica taxes, though we can be sure that they will demand their “right” to healthcare and retirement income when the time comes.
Joe, if you think it’s hard to get mexicans to commit violence, I’m not sure what to say. Try mass deportation sweeps and exclusion of noncitizens from all taxpayer -funded programs, you’ll get violence. Has to happen, though.
But they also qualify for Earned Income Tax Credit which returns a lot of their payroll taxes. There are also child credits for their real (and imagined) children.
My last year working, I got my vacation pay and that was it. I actually got 400 dollars in EITC because I only had income for about a month.
My response twitter thread to this post:
Certainly I’m one of the few white people in the entire vast city of LA who is straight, married, and raising children. “Homeless, homo, rich, or perpetually childless non-rich ‘straight’ people splitting sky-high rent among two to three people for decades” would sum up the rest of the remaining LA whites pretty well.
Even better would be a CONCERT between Unz and Hanson.
The major unifying factors indeed included the law, the language, and the Lord, but racial homogeneity was a huge factor as well.